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Ulloa will rediscover his goal touch

The Argus: Leo Ulloa drew another blank Leo Ulloa drew another blank

ALBION hitman Leo Ulloa has been backed to rediscover his goal touch.

The Argentinian target man has gone six games without scoring – the longest famine of his Albion career – after a header was disallowed at Watford yesterday.

Ulloa scored twice on his first start back from long-term injury at Charlton on Boxing Day but has not found the net since.

Assistant head coach Nathan Jones said: “Since he has come back from injury he is just gathering momentum really. We obviously wants to get on the scoresheet and he is our top striker, so he will score goals.

“The injury has just knocked it out of him a little bit. He was in good form when he got the injury. He is now coming back to where we would like him phyically.”

Ulloa, who was sidelined for ten weeks by a fractured foot bone, was denied by a marginal offside decision in the second half of the setback at Vicarage Road.

Rohan Ince missed the match with a foot injury and fellow midfield development product Jake Forster-Caskey was forced off late in the first half with a tweaked hamstring.

Both injuries are minor and Ince is expected to resume training this week.

Craig Mackail-Smith has been earmarked for his first home appearance after ten months out in the development fixture against Crystal Palace at Lancing tonight (7pm).

Mackail-Smith made a 24-minute comeback from Achilles and ankle injuries at Brentford last week.

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6:06am Mon 3 Feb 14

brighton bluenose says...

Another one unsettled by Poyet I have no doubt!
Another one unsettled by Poyet I have no doubt! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -12

6:43am Mon 3 Feb 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

The continuing difficult injury situation is something supporters seem happy to ignore when discussing yesterdays poor display. That said it would be nice to see March getting a run in the side ad Rodders playing alongside Ulloa - after all Ulloa and Barnes played together at Blackpool. However the team's inability to score goals on a par with their competitors is nothing new - it was the same story last season.
The continuing difficult injury situation is something supporters seem happy to ignore when discussing yesterdays poor display. That said it would be nice to see March getting a run in the side ad Rodders playing alongside Ulloa - after all Ulloa and Barnes played together at Blackpool. However the team's inability to score goals on a par with their competitors is nothing new - it was the same story last season. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 6

7:14am Mon 3 Feb 14

Alfie T says...

Leo is a good player but lacks pace, he is never going to beat defenders with his speed unless he comes up against someone as slow as Greer. He's gonna get his goals from the wide men in open play and from set pieces.
So it's no surprise he's down on confidence when we set up as we did at Watford, no width or pace, I truly hope we go for it against Donny, Leo will score the goals if he gets the service,quite simple really.
Leo is a good player but lacks pace, he is never going to beat defenders with his speed unless he comes up against someone as slow as Greer. He's gonna get his goals from the wide men in open play and from set pieces. So it's no surprise he's down on confidence when we set up as we did at Watford, no width or pace, I truly hope we go for it against Donny, Leo will score the goals if he gets the service,quite simple really. Alfie T
  • Score: 16

7:22am Mon 3 Feb 14

Far gull says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Another one unsettled by Poyet I have no doubt!
I am afraid Poyet and his team (whose antics undid our promotion push last season) have inflicted more damage than any court case could ever have done . Added to our suits of not concentrating the players and more on FFP (or that's the cover) development. Sorry no hotel is ever going to support the club and help it get in prem!
Poyet was wrong to behave as he did but maybe he was wound up by the management ,as they basically started un doing his three years work on the team?
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: Another one unsettled by Poyet I have no doubt![/p][/quote]I am afraid Poyet and his team (whose antics undid our promotion push last season) have inflicted more damage than any court case could ever have done . Added to our suits of not concentrating the players and more on FFP (or that's the cover) development. Sorry no hotel is ever going to support the club and help it get in prem! Poyet was wrong to behave as he did but maybe he was wound up by the management ,as they basically started un doing his three years work on the team? Far gull
  • Score: 6

7:23am Mon 3 Feb 14

impose our game gull says...

There's no excuse for body language. Never helpful to the cause. That said, Oscar, sort out some support and supply to Leo will you.

In late Feb/ early March last year Poyet said - "right, we are gonna really throw everything at the opposition from the start now" - reduced his innate cautiousness and went for it and remember what happened in march and April!! - and that's what you/ we need to do to get in to the play offs again - there's little glory in finishing 8th and saying "well, we did have a lot of injuries and stuck to FFP" - the time is now to get on and play two up front and start with positive teams - that means Lua Lua, March, Orlandi, Rodriguez, Ulloa, Ince, Stephens, Forster Caskey etc etc

It's better football and more fun too!!

UTA!!
There's no excuse for body language. Never helpful to the cause. That said, Oscar, sort out some support and supply to Leo will you. In late Feb/ early March last year Poyet said - "right, we are gonna really throw everything at the opposition from the start now" - reduced his innate cautiousness and went for it and remember what happened in march and April!! - and that's what you/ we need to do to get in to the play offs again - there's little glory in finishing 8th and saying "well, we did have a lot of injuries and stuck to FFP" - the time is now to get on and play two up front and start with positive teams - that means Lua Lua, March, Orlandi, Rodriguez, Ulloa, Ince, Stephens, Forster Caskey etc etc It's better football and more fun too!! UTA!! impose our game gull
  • Score: 22

7:29am Mon 3 Feb 14

Far gull says...

Alfie T wrote:
Leo is a good player but lacks pace, he is never going to beat defenders with his speed unless he comes up against someone as slow as Greer. He's gonna get his goals from the wide men in open play and from set pieces.
So it's no surprise he's down on confidence when we set up as we did at Watford, no width or pace, I truly hope we go for it against Donny, Leo will score the goals if he gets the service,quite simple really.
Lose against Doncaster does not bare thinking about? I bet the moment the team sheet is read out the result will be laid out .
This and the game against Hull are crucial . Win both and we will have a season left!
Although from an action off the pitch in offices I actually hope we lose and Tony fires B+B ,not Oscar he deserves to be given manager title and allowed within a financial frame work ,to manage. Not sure Jones best number two for him yet either.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: Leo is a good player but lacks pace, he is never going to beat defenders with his speed unless he comes up against someone as slow as Greer. He's gonna get his goals from the wide men in open play and from set pieces. So it's no surprise he's down on confidence when we set up as we did at Watford, no width or pace, I truly hope we go for it against Donny, Leo will score the goals if he gets the service,quite simple really.[/p][/quote]Lose against Doncaster does not bare thinking about? I bet the moment the team sheet is read out the result will be laid out . This and the game against Hull are crucial . Win both and we will have a season left! Although from an action off the pitch in offices I actually hope we lose and Tony fires B+B ,not Oscar he deserves to be given manager title and allowed within a financial frame work ,to manage. Not sure Jones best number two for him yet either. Far gull
  • Score: -4

7:39am Mon 3 Feb 14

gilbertthecat says...

For LU to find his goal touch again he needs to get much more regular service and the ball in a way that suits his abilities. At the moment it's not happening. He's been injured yes, but we weren't exactly banging them in when he was away either so not much has really changed. And maybe that's the problem - not much has really changed. Others mention our predicatability and I think that is becoming a factor. I couldn't get there yesterday so listened on radio - lost count of the number of passes that went sideways and backwards. And the mistakes - sounded like Watford didn't have to tackle, just wait for it to be given to them.

There's something missing in the middle to connect it all up, the creative player that has vision, pace and a deft touch when passing 'forwards'. Was Vicente the answer? Maybe for last year if we'd seen him on the pitch more. We have a depth in the squad for midfield but noone seems to be providing that spark. So perhaps we should dip into the loan market to find one and that player might show ours what it needs.

Stephens and Rodriguez on yesterday probably unbalanced things a little but both are pro footballers and should be able to contribute. Didn't hear much of Stephens in truth and a bit early to judge either of them for obvious reasons.

I'm looking forward to the Donni and Leeds games but I'm nervous at the same time that we will again be too predicatable and make silly mistakes. We should win both these games but if we don't then I agree anything more than midtable finish would be a stretch and a bonus. In the mean time I'll be optimistic at the start of every game and happy to be where we are in comparison to a few years ago.
For LU to find his goal touch again he needs to get much more regular service and the ball in a way that suits his abilities. At the moment it's not happening. He's been injured yes, but we weren't exactly banging them in when he was away either so not much has really changed. And maybe that's the problem - not much has really changed. Others mention our predicatability and I think that is becoming a factor. I couldn't get there yesterday so listened on radio - lost count of the number of passes that went sideways and backwards. And the mistakes - sounded like Watford didn't have to tackle, just wait for it to be given to them. There's something missing in the middle to connect it all up, the creative player that has vision, pace and a deft touch when passing 'forwards'. Was Vicente the answer? Maybe for last year if we'd seen him on the pitch more. We have a depth in the squad for midfield but noone seems to be providing that spark. So perhaps we should dip into the loan market to find one and that player might show ours what it needs. Stephens and Rodriguez on yesterday probably unbalanced things a little but both are pro footballers and should be able to contribute. Didn't hear much of Stephens in truth and a bit early to judge either of them for obvious reasons. I'm looking forward to the Donni and Leeds games but I'm nervous at the same time that we will again be too predicatable and make silly mistakes. We should win both these games but if we don't then I agree anything more than midtable finish would be a stretch and a bonus. In the mean time I'll be optimistic at the start of every game and happy to be where we are in comparison to a few years ago. gilbertthecat
  • Score: 2

8:07am Mon 3 Feb 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

We just need to be more positive and give Leo the ammo he needs.UTA
We just need to be more positive and give Leo the ammo he needs.UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 4

8:12am Mon 3 Feb 14

bbb1969 says...

Ulloa will score; he is strong and has good feet. He may not be the quickest but he is that big target man that we needed.
Trouble is that he needs support cos he wins the ball and there is no width and the midfielders are too deep.
We need 1 or 2 wingers on from the start and in that I mean March and Lua lua; Buckley too when fit. They will run at defenders and get a cross in or have a shot. This is what Ulloa needs. An added bonus will be another striker and drop the cdm position or if we still need that position due to our cb pace then play 4-1-3-2. I am optimistic but we need to change our tactics game by gane.
Ulloa will score; he is strong and has good feet. He may not be the quickest but he is that big target man that we needed. Trouble is that he needs support cos he wins the ball and there is no width and the midfielders are too deep. We need 1 or 2 wingers on from the start and in that I mean March and Lua lua; Buckley too when fit. They will run at defenders and get a cross in or have a shot. This is what Ulloa needs. An added bonus will be another striker and drop the cdm position or if we still need that position due to our cb pace then play 4-1-3-2. I am optimistic but we need to change our tactics game by gane. bbb1969
  • Score: 3

8:32am Mon 3 Feb 14

the taffster says...

Alfie T wrote:
Leo is a good player but lacks pace, he is never going to beat defenders with his speed unless he comes up against someone as slow as Greer. He's gonna get his goals from the wide men in open play and from set pieces.
So it's no surprise he's down on confidence when we set up as we did at Watford, no width or pace, I truly hope we go for it against Donny, Leo will score the goals if he gets the service,quite simple really.
exactly right....he will the next player to go in January when he gets pd off being stuck up front on his own with no service and management with negative tactics.....
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: Leo is a good player but lacks pace, he is never going to beat defenders with his speed unless he comes up against someone as slow as Greer. He's gonna get his goals from the wide men in open play and from set pieces. So it's no surprise he's down on confidence when we set up as we did at Watford, no width or pace, I truly hope we go for it against Donny, Leo will score the goals if he gets the service,quite simple really.[/p][/quote]exactly right....he will the next player to go in January when he gets pd off being stuck up front on his own with no service and management with negative tactics..... the taffster
  • Score: -3

8:34am Mon 3 Feb 14

jcd1972 says...

Far gull wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
Leo is a good player but lacks pace, he is never going to beat defenders with his speed unless he comes up against someone as slow as Greer. He's gonna get his goals from the wide men in open play and from set pieces.
So it's no surprise he's down on confidence when we set up as we did at Watford, no width or pace, I truly hope we go for it against Donny, Leo will score the goals if he gets the service,quite simple really.
Lose against Doncaster does not bare thinking about? I bet the moment the team sheet is read out the result will be laid out .
This and the game against Hull are crucial . Win both and we will have a season left!
Although from an action off the pitch in offices I actually hope we lose and Tony fires B+B ,not Oscar he deserves to be given manager title and allowed within a financial frame work ,to manage. Not sure Jones best number two for him yet either.
I can't see why TB would fire B&B when it appears to be the case that he wants to comply with FFP. Let's face it all businesses should be run on a sustainable footing. However in the mad world of football most are willing to risk what they don't have in the name of ambition and players and coaches start questioning the owner's ambition if money is not sprinkled around liberally.

I think it needs to be said that FFP is not a punishment it is best practice. We lost £8m last year. TB is not wealthy in comparison to some club owners and may well feel that after the Amex and the training facilities even without FFP more of the transfers and wages etc needed to come from the revenue.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: Leo is a good player but lacks pace, he is never going to beat defenders with his speed unless he comes up against someone as slow as Greer. He's gonna get his goals from the wide men in open play and from set pieces. So it's no surprise he's down on confidence when we set up as we did at Watford, no width or pace, I truly hope we go for it against Donny, Leo will score the goals if he gets the service,quite simple really.[/p][/quote]Lose against Doncaster does not bare thinking about? I bet the moment the team sheet is read out the result will be laid out . This and the game against Hull are crucial . Win both and we will have a season left! Although from an action off the pitch in offices I actually hope we lose and Tony fires B+B ,not Oscar he deserves to be given manager title and allowed within a financial frame work ,to manage. Not sure Jones best number two for him yet either.[/p][/quote]I can't see why TB would fire B&B when it appears to be the case that he wants to comply with FFP. Let's face it all businesses should be run on a sustainable footing. However in the mad world of football most are willing to risk what they don't have in the name of ambition and players and coaches start questioning the owner's ambition if money is not sprinkled around liberally. I think it needs to be said that FFP is not a punishment it is best practice. We lost £8m last year. TB is not wealthy in comparison to some club owners and may well feel that after the Amex and the training facilities even without FFP more of the transfers and wages etc needed to come from the revenue. jcd1972
  • Score: 11

8:39am Mon 3 Feb 14

Tonyuk175 says...

Lets STOP moaning and start being realistic (me included) we are doing well, maybe we are being over ambitious lets just keep the faith and support behind the manager and his Tight budget.

we have a great chance now to get a few wins at the AMEX, lets make it a ground others hate and lets close that gap!!!

UTA
Lets STOP moaning and start being realistic (me included) we are doing well, maybe we are being over ambitious lets just keep the faith and support behind the manager and his Tight budget. we have a great chance now to get a few wins at the AMEX, lets make it a ground others hate and lets close that gap!!! UTA Tonyuk175
  • Score: 14

8:54am Mon 3 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Stick with this. I'd love to know thoughts.......
To say we're a work in progress is an understatement and there are many views on here, some I agree with, some I don't and we're all entitled to them.
But with many questions to answer, I really think everyone is going round in circles because we're all assuming a great deal - and being forced to.
For starters, what is Oscar's genuine playing philosophy? It would appear performances don't seem to match the promises for a more adventurous approach when he was appointed? (In the main, I only have match reports and highlights to go on)
How much input does Oscar have in team development? Is the activity of January the consequence of unilateral decision making from above? Is Oscar merely dealing with what he's given?
So basically, what is the plan and how is it supposed to work? I'm not someone who believes transfer windows entirely reflect club philosophy and the number of signings a club makes - or doesn't - isn't a direct correlation for success or failure as far as I'm concerned. Equally, I'm not inclined to knee jerk when we lose a game, there is a much deeper approach to consider.,
We can all have a stab at what we THINK the answers are, but unless I've missed something, we don't really KNOW.
Wouldn't it be nice if someone felt able to inform us of exactly what the plan really is?
Stick with this. I'd love to know thoughts....... To say we're a work in progress is an understatement and there are many views on here, some I agree with, some I don't and we're all entitled to them. But with many questions to answer, I really think everyone is going round in circles because we're all assuming a great deal - and being forced to. For starters, what is Oscar's genuine playing philosophy? It would appear performances don't seem to match the promises for a more adventurous approach when he was appointed? (In the main, I only have match reports and highlights to go on) How much input does Oscar have in team development? Is the activity of January the consequence of unilateral decision making from above? Is Oscar merely dealing with what he's given? So basically, what is the plan and how is it supposed to work? I'm not someone who believes transfer windows entirely reflect club philosophy and the number of signings a club makes - or doesn't - isn't a direct correlation for success or failure as far as I'm concerned. Equally, I'm not inclined to knee jerk when we lose a game, there is a much deeper approach to consider., We can all have a stab at what we THINK the answers are, but unless I've missed something, we don't really KNOW. Wouldn't it be nice if someone felt able to inform us of exactly what the plan really is? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 5

9:02am Mon 3 Feb 14

jockithenoo says...

I don't know what all the panicking is about . Expectations are maybe a bit high but look how we finished last season. Won-19 )-- draws-18 ) lost- 9
So we lose one win nine and draw eight same points as last season. We just have to turn our draws wins . Simples
UTA
I don't know what all the panicking is about . Expectations are maybe a bit high but look how we finished last season. Won-19 )-- draws-18 ) lost- 9 So we lose one win nine and draw eight same points as last season. We just have to turn our draws wins . Simples UTA jockithenoo
  • Score: -2

9:05am Mon 3 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

jockithenoo wrote:
I don't know what all the panicking is about . Expectations are maybe a bit high but look how we finished last season. Won-19 )-- draws-18 ) lost- 9
So we lose one win nine and draw eight same points as last season. We just have to turn our draws wins . Simples
UTA
Blimey, you say expectations are a bit high and come up with that formula?!!!
[quote][p][bold]jockithenoo[/bold] wrote: I don't know what all the panicking is about . Expectations are maybe a bit high but look how we finished last season. Won-19 )-- draws-18 ) lost- 9 So we lose one win nine and draw eight same points as last season. We just have to turn our draws wins . Simples UTA[/p][/quote]Blimey, you say expectations are a bit high and come up with that formula?!!! Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 8

9:12am Mon 3 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

It is worth remembering that "the suits" (as so many people derogatively call them) stated quite clearly that we were not intending to do much business in the transfer window. Some signings didn't come off, other did, but it was about as many as we should have expected.

This is still OG's first season and with what is still largely GP's squad. I won't even start to judge Oscar until about next Christmas, when he has had a full season and pre-season under his belt, by which time he will have the players he thinks are more suited to his style.

There is far too much short-termism being displayed by football fans in general. We all want results now, rather than taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture.

Yes, we could go 4-4-2, but that would undo all the work that OG has put in motion. Yes, we could get "a British manager and British players" as a few xenophobes/neanderth
als have suggested, but do we really just want to be another identikit English team playing in the traditional and unsuccessful 'English style', where the post-match comments of the manager consist solely of "we worked hard, we kept a good shape, I couldn't fault the effort of the lads", or do we want a team where the football is a joy to behold and speaks eloquently for itself?

I'm in for the long haul and I'm expecting a slightly rocky but ultimately joyous journey.
It is worth remembering that "the suits" (as so many people derogatively call them) stated quite clearly that we were not intending to do much business in the transfer window. Some signings didn't come off, other did, but it was about as many as we should have expected. This is still OG's first season and with what is still largely GP's squad. I won't even start to judge Oscar until about next Christmas, when he has had a full season and pre-season under his belt, by which time he will have the players he thinks are more suited to his style. There is far too much short-termism being displayed by football fans in general. We all want results now, rather than taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture. Yes, we could go 4-4-2, but that would undo all the work that OG has put in motion. Yes, we could get "a British manager and British players" as a few xenophobes/neanderth als have suggested, but do we really just want to be another identikit English team playing in the traditional and unsuccessful 'English style', where the post-match comments of the manager consist solely of "we worked hard, we kept a good shape, I couldn't fault the effort of the lads", or do we want a team where the football is a joy to behold and speaks eloquently for itself? I'm in for the long haul and I'm expecting a slightly rocky but ultimately joyous journey. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 12

9:21am Mon 3 Feb 14

Steveg1958 says...

It would be really nice if the board (all of em), were honest with us all for once and just came out and said we don't have enough money to splash around on quality players and we want to stay where we are (Mid table Championship, or just outside play offs), for the next four years or so that way we can comply with FFP and hopefully get a few lads through the academy over that time.
But of course then season ticket sales would drop and perhaps some new investor would buy in and boot out Burke and Barber, so that aint gona happen. We hear nothing from Barber except his crap in the programme every game, and nothing from TB at all ever !, and even worse nothing (almost always) from the head coach whether we win lose or draw. passion has left our club its been driven out by Money and walls of silence.
It would be really nice if the board (all of em), were honest with us all for once and just came out and said we don't have enough money to splash around on quality players and we want to stay where we are (Mid table Championship, or just outside play offs), for the next four years or so that way we can comply with FFP and hopefully get a few lads through the academy over that time. But of course then season ticket sales would drop and perhaps some new investor would buy in and boot out Burke and Barber, so that aint gona happen. We hear nothing from Barber except his crap in the programme every game, and nothing from TB at all ever !, and even worse nothing (almost always) from the head coach whether we win lose or draw. passion has left our club its been driven out by Money and walls of silence. Steveg1958
  • Score: -8

9:27am Mon 3 Feb 14

Steveg1958 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
It is worth remembering that "the suits" (as so many people derogatively call them) stated quite clearly that we were not intending to do much business in the transfer window. Some signings didn't come off, other did, but it was about as many as we should have expected.

This is still OG's first season and with what is still largely GP's squad. I won't even start to judge Oscar until about next Christmas, when he has had a full season and pre-season under his belt, by which time he will have the players he thinks are more suited to his style.

There is far too much short-termism being displayed by football fans in general. We all want results now, rather than taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture.

Yes, we could go 4-4-2, but that would undo all the work that OG has put in motion. Yes, we could get "a British manager and British players" as a few xenophobes/neanderth

als have suggested, but do we really just want to be another identikit English team playing in the traditional and unsuccessful 'English style', where the post-match comments of the manager consist solely of "we worked hard, we kept a good shape, I couldn't fault the effort of the lads", or do we want a team where the football is a joy to behold and speaks eloquently for itself?

I'm in for the long haul and I'm expecting a slightly rocky but ultimately joyous journey.
I think you should take those rose tinted glasses off EX-Pat, the football under OG isn't a joy to behold, it's boring and pedestrian, we are always too casual and don't ever really attack anyone until we are losing and with five minutes left. I'd rather we went for it a bit and won 4-3than this crap we are watching week in week out. Didn't Oscar say when he arrived, he wanted fast attacking football or something similar ? well I don't see any evidence of that at all.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: It is worth remembering that "the suits" (as so many people derogatively call them) stated quite clearly that we were not intending to do much business in the transfer window. Some signings didn't come off, other did, but it was about as many as we should have expected. This is still OG's first season and with what is still largely GP's squad. I won't even start to judge Oscar until about next Christmas, when he has had a full season and pre-season under his belt, by which time he will have the players he thinks are more suited to his style. There is far too much short-termism being displayed by football fans in general. We all want results now, rather than taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture. Yes, we could go 4-4-2, but that would undo all the work that OG has put in motion. Yes, we could get "a British manager and British players" as a few xenophobes/neanderth als have suggested, but do we really just want to be another identikit English team playing in the traditional and unsuccessful 'English style', where the post-match comments of the manager consist solely of "we worked hard, we kept a good shape, I couldn't fault the effort of the lads", or do we want a team where the football is a joy to behold and speaks eloquently for itself? I'm in for the long haul and I'm expecting a slightly rocky but ultimately joyous journey.[/p][/quote]I think you should take those rose tinted glasses off EX-Pat, the football under OG isn't a joy to behold, it's boring and pedestrian, we are always too casual and don't ever really attack anyone until we are losing and with five minutes left. I'd rather we went for it a bit and won 4-3than this crap we are watching week in week out. Didn't Oscar say when he arrived, he wanted fast attacking football or something similar ? well I don't see any evidence of that at all. Steveg1958
  • Score: 5

9:32am Mon 3 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Steveg1958 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
It is worth remembering that "the suits" (as so many people derogatively call them) stated quite clearly that we were not intending to do much business in the transfer window. Some signings didn't come off, other did, but it was about as many as we should have expected.

This is still OG's first season and with what is still largely GP's squad. I won't even start to judge Oscar until about next Christmas, when he has had a full season and pre-season under his belt, by which time he will have the players he thinks are more suited to his style.

There is far too much short-termism being displayed by football fans in general. We all want results now, rather than taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture.

Yes, we could go 4-4-2, but that would undo all the work that OG has put in motion. Yes, we could get "a British manager and British players" as a few xenophobes/neanderth


als have suggested, but do we really just want to be another identikit English team playing in the traditional and unsuccessful 'English style', where the post-match comments of the manager consist solely of "we worked hard, we kept a good shape, I couldn't fault the effort of the lads", or do we want a team where the football is a joy to behold and speaks eloquently for itself?

I'm in for the long haul and I'm expecting a slightly rocky but ultimately joyous journey.
I think you should take those rose tinted glasses off EX-Pat, the football under OG isn't a joy to behold, it's boring and pedestrian, we are always too casual and don't ever really attack anyone until we are losing and with five minutes left. I'd rather we went for it a bit and won 4-3than this crap we are watching week in week out. Didn't Oscar say when he arrived, he wanted fast attacking football or something similar ? well I don't see any evidence of that at all.
I refer you to my second paragraph.

We'd all rather win 4-3 than lose 2-0, but I'm not sure of your point.

PS: I'll take off my rose-tinted glasses if you remove your blinkers. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: It is worth remembering that "the suits" (as so many people derogatively call them) stated quite clearly that we were not intending to do much business in the transfer window. Some signings didn't come off, other did, but it was about as many as we should have expected. This is still OG's first season and with what is still largely GP's squad. I won't even start to judge Oscar until about next Christmas, when he has had a full season and pre-season under his belt, by which time he will have the players he thinks are more suited to his style. There is far too much short-termism being displayed by football fans in general. We all want results now, rather than taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture. Yes, we could go 4-4-2, but that would undo all the work that OG has put in motion. Yes, we could get "a British manager and British players" as a few xenophobes/neanderth als have suggested, but do we really just want to be another identikit English team playing in the traditional and unsuccessful 'English style', where the post-match comments of the manager consist solely of "we worked hard, we kept a good shape, I couldn't fault the effort of the lads", or do we want a team where the football is a joy to behold and speaks eloquently for itself? I'm in for the long haul and I'm expecting a slightly rocky but ultimately joyous journey.[/p][/quote]I think you should take those rose tinted glasses off EX-Pat, the football under OG isn't a joy to behold, it's boring and pedestrian, we are always too casual and don't ever really attack anyone until we are losing and with five minutes left. I'd rather we went for it a bit and won 4-3than this crap we are watching week in week out. Didn't Oscar say when he arrived, he wanted fast attacking football or something similar ? well I don't see any evidence of that at all.[/p][/quote]I refer you to my second paragraph. We'd all rather win 4-3 than lose 2-0, but I'm not sure of your point. PS: I'll take off my rose-tinted glasses if you remove your blinkers. ;-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

9:32am Mon 3 Feb 14

jockithenoo says...

Steveg1958 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
It is worth remembering that "the suits" (as so many people derogatively call them) stated quite clearly that we were not intending to do much business in the transfer window. Some signings didn't come off, other did, but it was about as many as we should have expected.

This is still OG's first season and with what is still largely GP's squad. I won't even start to judge Oscar until about next Christmas, when he has had a full season and pre-season under his belt, by which time he will have the players he thinks are more suited to his style.

There is far too much short-termism being displayed by football fans in general. We all want results now, rather than taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture.

Yes, we could go 4-4-2, but that would undo all the work that OG has put in motion. Yes, we could get "a British manager and British players" as a few xenophobes/neanderth


als have suggested, but do we really just want to be another identikit English team playing in the traditional and unsuccessful 'English style', where the post-match comments of the manager consist solely of "we worked hard, we kept a good shape, I couldn't fault the effort of the lads", or do we want a team where the football is a joy to behold and speaks eloquently for itself?

I'm in for the long haul and I'm expecting a slightly rocky but ultimately joyous journey.
I think you should take those rose tinted glasses off EX-Pat, the football under OG isn't a joy to behold, it's boring and pedestrian, we are always too casual and don't ever really attack anyone until we are losing and with five minutes left. I'd rather we went for it a bit and won 4-3than this crap we are watching week in week out. Didn't Oscar say when he arrived, he wanted fast attacking football or something similar ? well I don't see any evidence of that at all.
OG hasn't had time to sort the style he wants we still have a few old players not capable of racing around they are pre OG players give the man a break FFS
UTA
[quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: It is worth remembering that "the suits" (as so many people derogatively call them) stated quite clearly that we were not intending to do much business in the transfer window. Some signings didn't come off, other did, but it was about as many as we should have expected. This is still OG's first season and with what is still largely GP's squad. I won't even start to judge Oscar until about next Christmas, when he has had a full season and pre-season under his belt, by which time he will have the players he thinks are more suited to his style. There is far too much short-termism being displayed by football fans in general. We all want results now, rather than taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture. Yes, we could go 4-4-2, but that would undo all the work that OG has put in motion. Yes, we could get "a British manager and British players" as a few xenophobes/neanderth als have suggested, but do we really just want to be another identikit English team playing in the traditional and unsuccessful 'English style', where the post-match comments of the manager consist solely of "we worked hard, we kept a good shape, I couldn't fault the effort of the lads", or do we want a team where the football is a joy to behold and speaks eloquently for itself? I'm in for the long haul and I'm expecting a slightly rocky but ultimately joyous journey.[/p][/quote]I think you should take those rose tinted glasses off EX-Pat, the football under OG isn't a joy to behold, it's boring and pedestrian, we are always too casual and don't ever really attack anyone until we are losing and with five minutes left. I'd rather we went for it a bit and won 4-3than this crap we are watching week in week out. Didn't Oscar say when he arrived, he wanted fast attacking football or something similar ? well I don't see any evidence of that at all.[/p][/quote]OG hasn't had time to sort the style he wants we still have a few old players not capable of racing around they are pre OG players give the man a break FFS UTA jockithenoo
  • Score: 2

9:39am Mon 3 Feb 14

city-boy says...

3 goals in the last 6 games.

That is not good. Anyone who thinks we are going to make the playoffs is seriously deluded.

The season is over :). Maybe next year.
3 goals in the last 6 games. That is not good. Anyone who thinks we are going to make the playoffs is seriously deluded. The season is over :). Maybe next year. city-boy
  • Score: 3

9:52am Mon 3 Feb 14

Aye Aye says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
It is worth remembering that "the suits" (as so many people derogatively call them) stated quite clearly that we were not intending to do much business in the transfer window. Some signings didn't come off, other did, but it was about as many as we should have expected.

This is still OG's first season and with what is still largely GP's squad. I won't even start to judge Oscar until about next Christmas, when he has had a full season and pre-season under his belt, by which time he will have the players he thinks are more suited to his style.

There is far too much short-termism being displayed by football fans in general. We all want results now, rather than taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture.

Yes, we could go 4-4-2, but that would undo all the work that OG has put in motion. Yes, we could get "a British manager and British players" as a few xenophobes/neanderth

als have suggested, but do we really just want to be another identikit English team playing in the traditional and unsuccessful 'English style', where the post-match comments of the manager consist solely of "we worked hard, we kept a good shape, I couldn't fault the effort of the lads", or do we want a team where the football is a joy to behold and speaks eloquently for itself?

I'm in for the long haul and I'm expecting a slightly rocky but ultimately joyous journey.
Calming words EPA with which I wholeheartedly agree. We've come an awfully long way in a short space of time and there is so much to look forward to. I'm prepared to be patient and have always seen this season as a difficult one, even before its first ball was kicked. Given the background against which he came to the club, OG has done well to give us even a sniff of contention. I strongly feel the best has yet to come and choppy seas can only be sailed in a stable ship. No, despite yesterday's extremely disappointing result, I'm happy with the progress we've made and, likewise, I don't think we can really tap the mercury in the thermometer until next season. I'm certainly not going to engage in the ritual burning of my season ticket or share in the hysterical hyperbole expressed by those who can only see as far as the end of their nose.

UTA
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: It is worth remembering that "the suits" (as so many people derogatively call them) stated quite clearly that we were not intending to do much business in the transfer window. Some signings didn't come off, other did, but it was about as many as we should have expected. This is still OG's first season and with what is still largely GP's squad. I won't even start to judge Oscar until about next Christmas, when he has had a full season and pre-season under his belt, by which time he will have the players he thinks are more suited to his style. There is far too much short-termism being displayed by football fans in general. We all want results now, rather than taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture. Yes, we could go 4-4-2, but that would undo all the work that OG has put in motion. Yes, we could get "a British manager and British players" as a few xenophobes/neanderth als have suggested, but do we really just want to be another identikit English team playing in the traditional and unsuccessful 'English style', where the post-match comments of the manager consist solely of "we worked hard, we kept a good shape, I couldn't fault the effort of the lads", or do we want a team where the football is a joy to behold and speaks eloquently for itself? I'm in for the long haul and I'm expecting a slightly rocky but ultimately joyous journey.[/p][/quote]Calming words EPA with which I wholeheartedly agree. We've come an awfully long way in a short space of time and there is so much to look forward to. I'm prepared to be patient and have always seen this season as a difficult one, even before its first ball was kicked. Given the background against which he came to the club, OG has done well to give us even a sniff of contention. I strongly feel the best has yet to come and choppy seas can only be sailed in a stable ship. No, despite yesterday's extremely disappointing result, I'm happy with the progress we've made and, likewise, I don't think we can really tap the mercury in the thermometer until next season. I'm certainly not going to engage in the ritual burning of my season ticket or share in the hysterical hyperbole expressed by those who can only see as far as the end of their nose. UTA Aye Aye
  • Score: 0

10:15am Mon 3 Feb 14

mikeygit says...

Many posts this morning for discussion and there IS no simple answer. I agree that Oscar does not have full control of the team. I guess he must have SOME input as to who he wants in the team otherwise he would simply be a puppet and I do not think that is the case. IMHO we have a few too many older players who simply do not have the pace. Upson I believe , though IS one of our star players. We have a few players who are not ón song at the moment--David being a classic case and we have young players learning their trade very admirably, and good players coming back from injury-- BUT are playing with one leg tied behind---by that I mean we are restricted as to who we can afford to buy. Some player fees are horrendous and just not worth it. Football is in a bit of a vaccum as we have yet to see how the FFP rules will actually work out and how sharp the teeth of the FA are. And I truly feel that ´The Suits´are very nervous of this and are conducting their business of running the club with this heavily in mind---which I agree with---the trouble is there are many clubs in our division blatantly abusing the rules which makes an unfair playing field for those of us who are abiding by the rules. In my opinion if the rules are to work, those who abuse the rules should be fined heavily and those like us who seek to be abiding by them should be rewarded out of the fines of the others.
I believe those who are running the club want to have a sound and secure long term future by having a good set of finance books in order to get to the Premiership when we can afford it and when we have the players who can sustain that level of football, In the meantime we as fans will no doubt get frustrated at performances like at Watford but as has been said many times before--Rome was not built in a Day and we have to be patient and look at the bigger picture ie these wretched FFP rules!! Hope this stimulates some discussion!!??
Many posts this morning for discussion and there IS no simple answer. I agree that Oscar does not have full control of the team. I guess he must have SOME input as to who he wants in the team otherwise he would simply be a puppet and I do not think that is the case. IMHO we have a few too many older players who simply do not have the pace. Upson I believe , though IS one of our star players. We have a few players who are not ón song at the moment--David being a classic case and we have young players learning their trade very admirably, and good players coming back from injury-- BUT are playing with one leg tied behind---by that I mean we are restricted as to who we can afford to buy. Some player fees are horrendous and just not worth it. Football is in a bit of a vaccum as we have yet to see how the FFP rules will actually work out and how sharp the teeth of the FA are. And I truly feel that ´The Suits´are very nervous of this and are conducting their business of running the club with this heavily in mind---which I agree with---the trouble is there are many clubs in our division blatantly abusing the rules which makes an unfair playing field for those of us who are abiding by the rules. In my opinion if the rules are to work, those who abuse the rules should be fined heavily and those like us who seek to be abiding by them should be rewarded out of the fines of the others. I believe those who are running the club want to have a sound and secure long term future by having a good set of finance books in order to get to the Premiership when we can afford it and when we have the players who can sustain that level of football, In the meantime we as fans will no doubt get frustrated at performances like at Watford but as has been said many times before--Rome was not built in a Day and we have to be patient and look at the bigger picture ie these wretched FFP rules!! Hope this stimulates some discussion!!?? mikeygit
  • Score: 3

11:12am Mon 3 Feb 14

Far gull says...

mikeygit wrote:
Many posts this morning for discussion and there IS no simple answer. I agree that Oscar does not have full control of the team. I guess he must have SOME input as to who he wants in the team otherwise he would simply be a puppet and I do not think that is the case. IMHO we have a few too many older players who simply do not have the pace. Upson I believe , though IS one of our star players. We have a few players who are not ón song at the moment--David being a classic case and we have young players learning their trade very admirably, and good players coming back from injury-- BUT are playing with one leg tied behind---by that I mean we are restricted as to who we can afford to buy. Some player fees are horrendous and just not worth it. Football is in a bit of a vaccum as we have yet to see how the FFP rules will actually work out and how sharp the teeth of the FA are. And I truly feel that ´The Suits´are very nervous of this and are conducting their business of running the club with this heavily in mind---which I agree with---the trouble is there are many clubs in our division blatantly abusing the rules which makes an unfair playing field for those of us who are abiding by the rules. In my opinion if the rules are to work, those who abuse the rules should be fined heavily and those like us who seek to be abiding by them should be rewarded out of the fines of the others.
I believe those who are running the club want to have a sound and secure long term future by having a good set of finance books in order to get to the Premiership when we can afford it and when we have the players who can sustain that level of football, In the meantime we as fans will no doubt get frustrated at performances like at Watford but as has been said many times before--Rome was not built in a Day and we have to be patient and look at the bigger picture ie these wretched FFP rules!! Hope this stimulates some discussion!!??
Agreed with ffp if fully it does what it is meant to and fines/ pointss deductions / transfer imbargos are applied.
We are a club in the making in terms of facilities etc which as you say we can live with if those who run the club are open about ie . Costs etc. But what i don't get was and is this massive spend on building such a grandiose training facility or proposed hotel building etc.
If Bridcutt money etc has gone on these due to over spend then tell us because that is then whilist annoying at least more palatable as reasons for sales and poor/cheaper replacements.
The money got for Liam was at 2.5 mill if that was a bargain for Gus , no question. But more than that was we have sold three on field performers with more on the pitch commitment and passion than the rest of the squad put together.it showed at Watford ,here's to hoping it doez not show for rest of season.
Oscar wanted to keep these players so he said, if thats the truth why the heck have they left or been sold . If we are playi g the so called long game which many on here delight in telling me then why sell ?
As someone said many questions as we only have information gleaned and and pitch results to go on. But they can be telling and at the moment are.!
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Many posts this morning for discussion and there IS no simple answer. I agree that Oscar does not have full control of the team. I guess he must have SOME input as to who he wants in the team otherwise he would simply be a puppet and I do not think that is the case. IMHO we have a few too many older players who simply do not have the pace. Upson I believe , though IS one of our star players. We have a few players who are not ón song at the moment--David being a classic case and we have young players learning their trade very admirably, and good players coming back from injury-- BUT are playing with one leg tied behind---by that I mean we are restricted as to who we can afford to buy. Some player fees are horrendous and just not worth it. Football is in a bit of a vaccum as we have yet to see how the FFP rules will actually work out and how sharp the teeth of the FA are. And I truly feel that ´The Suits´are very nervous of this and are conducting their business of running the club with this heavily in mind---which I agree with---the trouble is there are many clubs in our division blatantly abusing the rules which makes an unfair playing field for those of us who are abiding by the rules. In my opinion if the rules are to work, those who abuse the rules should be fined heavily and those like us who seek to be abiding by them should be rewarded out of the fines of the others. I believe those who are running the club want to have a sound and secure long term future by having a good set of finance books in order to get to the Premiership when we can afford it and when we have the players who can sustain that level of football, In the meantime we as fans will no doubt get frustrated at performances like at Watford but as has been said many times before--Rome was not built in a Day and we have to be patient and look at the bigger picture ie these wretched FFP rules!! Hope this stimulates some discussion!!??[/p][/quote]Agreed with ffp if fully it does what it is meant to and fines/ pointss deductions / transfer imbargos are applied. We are a club in the making in terms of facilities etc which as you say we can live with if those who run the club are open about ie . Costs etc. But what i don't get was and is this massive spend on building such a grandiose training facility or proposed hotel building etc. If Bridcutt money etc has gone on these due to over spend then tell us because that is then whilist annoying at least more palatable as reasons for sales and poor/cheaper replacements. The money got for Liam was at 2.5 mill if that was a bargain for Gus , no question. But more than that was we have sold three on field performers with more on the pitch commitment and passion than the rest of the squad put together.it showed at Watford ,here's to hoping it doez not show for rest of season. Oscar wanted to keep these players so he said, if thats the truth why the heck have they left or been sold . If we are playi g the so called long game which many on here delight in telling me then why sell ? As someone said many questions as we only have information gleaned and and pitch results to go on. But they can be telling and at the moment are.! Far gull
  • Score: 2

11:33am Mon 3 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
It is worth remembering that "the suits" (as so many people derogatively call them) stated quite clearly that we were not intending to do much business in the transfer window. Some signings didn't come off, other did, but it was about as many as we should have expected.

This is still OG's first season and with what is still largely GP's squad. I won't even start to judge Oscar until about next Christmas, when he has had a full season and pre-season under his belt, by which time he will have the players he thinks are more suited to his style.

There is far too much short-termism being displayed by football fans in general. We all want results now, rather than taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture.

Yes, we could go 4-4-2, but that would undo all the work that OG has put in motion. Yes, we could get "a British manager and British players" as a few xenophobes/neanderth

als have suggested, but do we really just want to be another identikit English team playing in the traditional and unsuccessful 'English style', where the post-match comments of the manager consist solely of "we worked hard, we kept a good shape, I couldn't fault the effort of the lads", or do we want a team where the football is a joy to behold and speaks eloquently for itself?

I'm in for the long haul and I'm expecting a slightly rocky but ultimately joyous journey.
Arnie, completely agree.
I also believe the formation we play is set up to be a fluid 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 dependent on possession so I don't necessarily hold with this idea that we must have 'two up-front'. The wide man are given licence to join in with the main striker (Ulloa) and support, as are relevant midfield players.
The one element we all agree on (surely) is it's not quite working at the moment...
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: It is worth remembering that "the suits" (as so many people derogatively call them) stated quite clearly that we were not intending to do much business in the transfer window. Some signings didn't come off, other did, but it was about as many as we should have expected. This is still OG's first season and with what is still largely GP's squad. I won't even start to judge Oscar until about next Christmas, when he has had a full season and pre-season under his belt, by which time he will have the players he thinks are more suited to his style. There is far too much short-termism being displayed by football fans in general. We all want results now, rather than taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture. Yes, we could go 4-4-2, but that would undo all the work that OG has put in motion. Yes, we could get "a British manager and British players" as a few xenophobes/neanderth als have suggested, but do we really just want to be another identikit English team playing in the traditional and unsuccessful 'English style', where the post-match comments of the manager consist solely of "we worked hard, we kept a good shape, I couldn't fault the effort of the lads", or do we want a team where the football is a joy to behold and speaks eloquently for itself? I'm in for the long haul and I'm expecting a slightly rocky but ultimately joyous journey.[/p][/quote]Arnie, completely agree. I also believe the formation we play is set up to be a fluid 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 dependent on possession so I don't necessarily hold with this idea that we must have 'two up-front'. The wide man are given licence to join in with the main striker (Ulloa) and support, as are relevant midfield players. The one element we all agree on (surely) is it's not quite working at the moment... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

11:40am Mon 3 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Oh, and another thing..
While questioning various elements this morning, let me just say that I'm fully supportive of any responsible, long term approach being taken by the club, even if it can be a tad frustrating at times.
It's just that it feels a bit like a 'them and us' situation on a number of levels at the moment, which for me, is adding to the irritation.
Oh, and another thing.. While questioning various elements this morning, let me just say that I'm fully supportive of any responsible, long term approach being taken by the club, even if it can be a tad frustrating at times. It's just that it feels a bit like a 'them and us' situation on a number of levels at the moment, which for me, is adding to the irritation. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

11:45am Mon 3 Feb 14

mikeygit says...

Far gull--Totally agree with you regarding the ´will to win´as I understand what you are getting at. Barnes would work all day for us as would El Abd and Bridcutt last season, but he was a changed player when Gus went--I think he was just waiting for the Sunderland move. But as I eluded to in another post we have no ´get up and go and will to win´attitude at present --or at least it does not show itself on the pitch. We need drive, enthusiasm and will to keep your place in the team by giving 100% each and every game---all a bit of a damp squib performances at present, yes I am an Albion fan even though I live in Spain--as Harvey Smith the ex showjumper said to me at Hickstead many years ago--Í do not go into competitions to come second´ and that is the attitude ALL the players have to have each time they play. I am sure Oscar is a lovely guy and a good manager/coach but he just not have that edge that Gus had--like him or not he could motivate on his day.
Far gull--Totally agree with you regarding the ´will to win´as I understand what you are getting at. Barnes would work all day for us as would El Abd and Bridcutt last season, but he was a changed player when Gus went--I think he was just waiting for the Sunderland move. But as I eluded to in another post we have no ´get up and go and will to win´attitude at present --or at least it does not show itself on the pitch. We need drive, enthusiasm and will to keep your place in the team by giving 100% each and every game---all a bit of a damp squib performances at present, yes I am an Albion fan even though I live in Spain--as Harvey Smith the ex showjumper said to me at Hickstead many years ago--Í do not go into competitions to come second´ and that is the attitude ALL the players have to have each time they play. I am sure Oscar is a lovely guy and a good manager/coach but he just not have that edge that Gus had--like him or not he could motivate on his day. mikeygit
  • Score: 0

12:22pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
It is worth remembering that "the suits" (as so many people derogatively call them) stated quite clearly that we were not intending to do much business in the transfer window. Some signings didn't come off, other did, but it was about as many as we should have expected.

This is still OG's first season and with what is still largely GP's squad. I won't even start to judge Oscar until about next Christmas, when he has had a full season and pre-season under his belt, by which time he will have the players he thinks are more suited to his style.

There is far too much short-termism being displayed by football fans in general. We all want results now, rather than taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture.

Yes, we could go 4-4-2, but that would undo all the work that OG has put in motion. Yes, we could get "a British manager and British players" as a few xenophobes/neanderth

als have suggested, but do we really just want to be another identikit English team playing in the traditional and unsuccessful 'English style', where the post-match comments of the manager consist solely of "we worked hard, we kept a good shape, I couldn't fault the effort of the lads", or do we want a team where the football is a joy to behold and speaks eloquently for itself?

I'm in for the long haul and I'm expecting a slightly rocky but ultimately joyous journey.
Me too!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: It is worth remembering that "the suits" (as so many people derogatively call them) stated quite clearly that we were not intending to do much business in the transfer window. Some signings didn't come off, other did, but it was about as many as we should have expected. This is still OG's first season and with what is still largely GP's squad. I won't even start to judge Oscar until about next Christmas, when he has had a full season and pre-season under his belt, by which time he will have the players he thinks are more suited to his style. There is far too much short-termism being displayed by football fans in general. We all want results now, rather than taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture. Yes, we could go 4-4-2, but that would undo all the work that OG has put in motion. Yes, we could get "a British manager and British players" as a few xenophobes/neanderth als have suggested, but do we really just want to be another identikit English team playing in the traditional and unsuccessful 'English style', where the post-match comments of the manager consist solely of "we worked hard, we kept a good shape, I couldn't fault the effort of the lads", or do we want a team where the football is a joy to behold and speaks eloquently for itself? I'm in for the long haul and I'm expecting a slightly rocky but ultimately joyous journey.[/p][/quote]Me too! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 4

12:48pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Guernsey gull says...

Well I for one really does hope he starts scoring again, 3 goals in 6 games says it all about the tactics surely !
Questions. :
1 has Nathan Jones taken over from Oscar , has Oscar left the club and returned to Israel / Spain ? All after match comments and pre match comments arise from Jones !
2 could Mr Bloom occasionally talk to us fans about the the transfer window, the team, the expectations for this season ? Rather than the Hotel, training ground etc.
3 perhaps even a statement from messes Burke and or Barber about the above , it might improve their failing popularity with us fans ?
4 Why are the penalties for failing to comply with FFP not clearly stated by the FA, clubs above us do appear not concerned about the outcome if they don't comply ?
Well I for one really does hope he starts scoring again, 3 goals in 6 games says it all about the tactics surely ! Questions. : 1 has Nathan Jones taken over from Oscar , has Oscar left the club and returned to Israel / Spain ? All after match comments and pre match comments arise from Jones ! 2 could Mr Bloom occasionally talk to us fans about the the transfer window, the team, the expectations for this season ? Rather than the Hotel, training ground etc. 3 perhaps even a statement from messes Burke and or Barber about the above , it might improve their failing popularity with us fans ? 4 Why are the penalties for failing to comply with FFP not clearly stated by the FA, clubs above us do appear not concerned about the outcome if they don't comply ? Guernsey gull
  • Score: 6

1:02pm Mon 3 Feb 14

New Jersey Seagull says...

Recent contributors of this site have willingly accepted the lack of expenditure in the transfer market as financially prudent, conforming to FFP and building for the future in contrast to the coach and certain player who were calling for more signings. Now we have lost a match, responsibility has shifted to the coach in his player selection and tactics, not the lack of expenditure to bring in impact players.
The following post I submitted previously might question certain assumptions about the club’s finances and possible relationship to transfer activity.
Recent discussions on the lack of transfer activity centered on FFP and the long-term financial stability of BHA. If you look at the information on the following website (http://swissramble.
blogspot.com/2013/08
/championship-financ
es-201112-numbers.ht
ml) you will see details of the clubs finances for the year 2011-2012 and it makes interesting reading. The clubs income that year was 22.1 million and the loss on the site is very similar to the one generally reported at 9.1 million. However, these reports show an item called other expenses of 13.8 million that like Leeds is far higher than any other club in the championship at that time and explained by new stadium costs. If the club has continued this pattern of accounting, they would appear to be compliant with FFP, as infrastructure costs are excluded from any loss calculations.
One of the main functions of FFP is to act as a cap on player’s wages, as clubs with serious financial problems spend more than their total income on wages. If you look at BHA’s expenditure on wages relative to income on that same site it is 66%, a significantly lower percentage than only two other clubs in the championship at that time. Perhaps that is a better explanation of why the club was less successful than others in signing players.
UTA
Recent contributors of this site have willingly accepted the lack of expenditure in the transfer market as financially prudent, conforming to FFP and building for the future in contrast to the coach and certain player who were calling for more signings. Now we have lost a match, responsibility has shifted to the coach in his player selection and tactics, not the lack of expenditure to bring in impact players. The following post I submitted previously might question certain assumptions about the club’s finances and possible relationship to transfer activity. Recent discussions on the lack of transfer activity centered on FFP and the long-term financial stability of BHA. If you look at the information on the following website (http://swissramble. blogspot.com/2013/08 /championship-financ es-201112-numbers.ht ml) you will see details of the clubs finances for the year 2011-2012 and it makes interesting reading. The clubs income that year was 22.1 million and the loss on the site is very similar to the one generally reported at 9.1 million. However, these reports show an item called other expenses of 13.8 million that like Leeds is far higher than any other club in the championship at that time and explained by new stadium costs. If the club has continued this pattern of accounting, they would appear to be compliant with FFP, as infrastructure costs are excluded from any loss calculations. One of the main functions of FFP is to act as a cap on player’s wages, as clubs with serious financial problems spend more than their total income on wages. If you look at BHA’s expenditure on wages relative to income on that same site it is 66%, a significantly lower percentage than only two other clubs in the championship at that time. Perhaps that is a better explanation of why the club was less successful than others in signing players. UTA New Jersey Seagull
  • Score: 1

1:04pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Chi Gull says...

Good posts Arnie and Staffs. I have no problem with the general direction of the club. You only have to look at the stadium and the training/academy facilities being built to see the ambition of the club. Unfortunately the business with Gus and injuries this season have undermined the playing strength this season. It is difficult to judge OG when he has had all that to cope with. I said I would judge how we were doing after the 4 away games and the transfer window. Well we are not in great shape, but it isn't a disaster either. It is easy to forget that we had 3 tough away league games, and easy to feel despondent when we only got one point from them. However, we now have a run of four home games, and some winnable ones at that. We might all feel very different if we get a few wins under our belt.
Good posts Arnie and Staffs. I have no problem with the general direction of the club. You only have to look at the stadium and the training/academy facilities being built to see the ambition of the club. Unfortunately the business with Gus and injuries this season have undermined the playing strength this season. It is difficult to judge OG when he has had all that to cope with. I said I would judge how we were doing after the 4 away games and the transfer window. Well we are not in great shape, but it isn't a disaster either. It is easy to forget that we had 3 tough away league games, and easy to feel despondent when we only got one point from them. However, we now have a run of four home games, and some winnable ones at that. We might all feel very different if we get a few wins under our belt. Chi Gull
  • Score: 4

1:05pm Mon 3 Feb 14

pjwilk says...

As someone said Oscar has the personality of a sprout,i take exception to that remark,a sprout has much more personality.
As someone said Oscar has the personality of a sprout,i take exception to that remark,a sprout has much more personality. pjwilk
  • Score: -3

1:24pm Mon 3 Feb 14

the taffster says...

Steveg1958 wrote:
It would be really nice if the board (all of em), were honest with us all for once and just came out and said we don't have enough money to splash around on quality players and we want to stay where we are (Mid table Championship, or just outside play offs), for the next four years or so that way we can comply with FFP and hopefully get a few lads through the academy over that time.
But of course then season ticket sales would drop and perhaps some new investor would buy in and boot out Burke and Barber, so that aint gona happen. We hear nothing from Barber except his crap in the programme every game, and nothing from TB at all ever !, and even worse nothing (almost always) from the head coach whether we win lose or draw. passion has left our club its been driven out by Money and walls of silence.
you don't have to throw a lot of money i n the club to gain promotion.....take sants.norwich and palace.they got promoted by playing attacking football with home grown talent.on small budgets...they have to b e given a chance to play....ultimately the side is being stifled by a negative team selelction and poor management....why start with one upfront when were playing at home?we should b e taking the game to the opposition.
[quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: It would be really nice if the board (all of em), were honest with us all for once and just came out and said we don't have enough money to splash around on quality players and we want to stay where we are (Mid table Championship, or just outside play offs), for the next four years or so that way we can comply with FFP and hopefully get a few lads through the academy over that time. But of course then season ticket sales would drop and perhaps some new investor would buy in and boot out Burke and Barber, so that aint gona happen. We hear nothing from Barber except his crap in the programme every game, and nothing from TB at all ever !, and even worse nothing (almost always) from the head coach whether we win lose or draw. passion has left our club its been driven out by Money and walls of silence.[/p][/quote]you don't have to throw a lot of money i n the club to gain promotion.....take sants.norwich and palace.they got promoted by playing attacking football with home grown talent.on small budgets...they have to b e given a chance to play....ultimately the side is being stifled by a negative team selelction and poor management....why start with one upfront when were playing at home?we should b e taking the game to the opposition. the taffster
  • Score: 1

1:42pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Steveg1958 says...

Guernsey gull wrote:
Well I for one really does hope he starts scoring again, 3 goals in 6 games says it all about the tactics surely !
Questions. :
1 has Nathan Jones taken over from Oscar , has Oscar left the club and returned to Israel / Spain ? All after match comments and pre match comments arise from Jones !
2 could Mr Bloom occasionally talk to us fans about the the transfer window, the team, the expectations for this season ? Rather than the Hotel, training ground etc.
3 perhaps even a statement from messes Burke and or Barber about the above , it might improve their failing popularity with us fans ?
4 Why are the penalties for failing to comply with FFP not clearly stated by the FA, clubs above us do appear not concerned about the outcome if they don't comply ?
Good post Guernsey gull, totally agree, it would be so nice to hear rom TB etc
[quote][p][bold]Guernsey gull[/bold] wrote: Well I for one really does hope he starts scoring again, 3 goals in 6 games says it all about the tactics surely ! Questions. : 1 has Nathan Jones taken over from Oscar , has Oscar left the club and returned to Israel / Spain ? All after match comments and pre match comments arise from Jones ! 2 could Mr Bloom occasionally talk to us fans about the the transfer window, the team, the expectations for this season ? Rather than the Hotel, training ground etc. 3 perhaps even a statement from messes Burke and or Barber about the above , it might improve their failing popularity with us fans ? 4 Why are the penalties for failing to comply with FFP not clearly stated by the FA, clubs above us do appear not concerned about the outcome if they don't comply ?[/p][/quote]Good post Guernsey gull, totally agree, it would be so nice to hear rom TB etc Steveg1958
  • Score: 1

1:45pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Steveg1958 says...

Should have added, effective businesses communicate with their customers and we are customers are we not !
Should have added, effective businesses communicate with their customers and we are customers are we not ! Steveg1958
  • Score: 1

2:05pm Mon 3 Feb 14

searich1983 says...

Steveg1958 wrote:
Guernsey gull wrote:
Well I for one really does hope he starts scoring again, 3 goals in 6 games says it all about the tactics surely !
Questions. :
1 has Nathan Jones taken over from Oscar , has Oscar left the club and returned to Israel / Spain ? All after match comments and pre match comments arise from Jones !
2 could Mr Bloom occasionally talk to us fans about the the transfer window, the team, the expectations for this season ? Rather than the Hotel, training ground etc.
3 perhaps even a statement from messes Burke and or Barber about the above , it might improve their failing popularity with us fans ?
4 Why are the penalties for failing to comply with FFP not clearly stated by the FA, clubs above us do appear not concerned about the outcome if they don't comply ?
Good post Guernsey gull, totally agree, it would be so nice to hear rom TB etc
Best post today by far, CLEAR, totally agree, please Mr TB say something, i would prefer the true but at least something.
[quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guernsey gull[/bold] wrote: Well I for one really does hope he starts scoring again, 3 goals in 6 games says it all about the tactics surely ! Questions. : 1 has Nathan Jones taken over from Oscar , has Oscar left the club and returned to Israel / Spain ? All after match comments and pre match comments arise from Jones ! 2 could Mr Bloom occasionally talk to us fans about the the transfer window, the team, the expectations for this season ? Rather than the Hotel, training ground etc. 3 perhaps even a statement from messes Burke and or Barber about the above , it might improve their failing popularity with us fans ? 4 Why are the penalties for failing to comply with FFP not clearly stated by the FA, clubs above us do appear not concerned about the outcome if they don't comply ?[/p][/quote]Good post Guernsey gull, totally agree, it would be so nice to hear rom TB etc[/p][/quote]Best post today by far, CLEAR, totally agree, please Mr TB say something, i would prefer the true but at least something. searich1983
  • Score: 1

2:58pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Far gull says...

mikeygit wrote:
Far gull--Totally agree with you regarding the ´will to win´as I understand what you are getting at. Barnes would work all day for us as would El Abd and Bridcutt last season, but he was a changed player when Gus went--I think he was just waiting for the Sunderland move. But as I eluded to in another post we have no ´get up and go and will to win´attitude at present --or at least it does not show itself on the pitch. We need drive, enthusiasm and will to keep your place in the team by giving 100% each and every game---all a bit of a damp squib performances at present, yes I am an Albion fan even though I live in Spain--as Harvey Smith the ex showjumper said to me at Hickstead many years ago--Í do not go into competitions to come second´ and that is the attitude ALL the players have to have each time they play. I am sure Oscar is a lovely guy and a good manager/coach but he just not have that edge that Gus had--like him or not he could motivate on his day.
Thanks for supportive opinion,thought I was only one.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Far gull--Totally agree with you regarding the ´will to win´as I understand what you are getting at. Barnes would work all day for us as would El Abd and Bridcutt last season, but he was a changed player when Gus went--I think he was just waiting for the Sunderland move. But as I eluded to in another post we have no ´get up and go and will to win´attitude at present --or at least it does not show itself on the pitch. We need drive, enthusiasm and will to keep your place in the team by giving 100% each and every game---all a bit of a damp squib performances at present, yes I am an Albion fan even though I live in Spain--as Harvey Smith the ex showjumper said to me at Hickstead many years ago--Í do not go into competitions to come second´ and that is the attitude ALL the players have to have each time they play. I am sure Oscar is a lovely guy and a good manager/coach but he just not have that edge that Gus had--like him or not he could motivate on his day.[/p][/quote]Thanks for supportive opinion,thought I was only one. Far gull
  • Score: 1

7:15pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Falmer Wizard says...

Ulloa is going to take another 3/4 weeks before he can be considered Match Fit and it does not help by being the only man up front taking a lot of punishment from two Centre Backs, it must be realised that if he does recover the form he was in then Gus will be keeping an eye on him.
Ulloa is going to take another 3/4 weeks before he can be considered Match Fit and it does not help by being the only man up front taking a lot of punishment from two Centre Backs, it must be realised that if he does recover the form he was in then Gus will be keeping an eye on him. Falmer Wizard
  • Score: -1

11:20pm Mon 3 Feb 14

OldGull says...

pjwilk wrote:
As someone said Oscar has the personality of a sprout,i take exception to that remark,a sprout has much more personality.
You Sir, are a complete A*SE
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: As someone said Oscar has the personality of a sprout,i take exception to that remark,a sprout has much more personality.[/p][/quote]You Sir, are a complete A*SE OldGull
  • Score: 3

11:26pm Mon 3 Feb 14

OldGull says...

Aye Aye wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
It is worth remembering that "the suits" (as so many people derogatively call them) stated quite clearly that we were not intending to do much business in the transfer window. Some signings didn't come off, other did, but it was about as many as we should have expected.

This is still OG's first season and with what is still largely GP's squad. I won't even start to judge Oscar until about next Christmas, when he has had a full season and pre-season under his belt, by which time he will have the players he thinks are more suited to his style.

There is far too much short-termism being displayed by football fans in general. We all want results now, rather than taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture.

Yes, we could go 4-4-2, but that would undo all the work that OG has put in motion. Yes, we could get "a British manager and British players" as a few xenophobes/neanderth


als have suggested, but do we really just want to be another identikit English team playing in the traditional and unsuccessful 'English style', where the post-match comments of the manager consist solely of "we worked hard, we kept a good shape, I couldn't fault the effort of the lads", or do we want a team where the football is a joy to behold and speaks eloquently for itself?

I'm in for the long haul and I'm expecting a slightly rocky but ultimately joyous journey.
Calming words EPA with which I wholeheartedly agree. We've come an awfully long way in a short space of time and there is so much to look forward to. I'm prepared to be patient and have always seen this season as a difficult one, even before its first ball was kicked. Given the background against which he came to the club, OG has done well to give us even a sniff of contention. I strongly feel the best has yet to come and choppy seas can only be sailed in a stable ship. No, despite yesterday's extremely disappointing result, I'm happy with the progress we've made and, likewise, I don't think we can really tap the mercury in the thermometer until next season. I'm certainly not going to engage in the ritual burning of my season ticket or share in the hysterical hyperbole expressed by those who can only see as far as the end of their nose.

UTA
Good to see some reasoned and sensible comments.
Too many on here demand that money be thrown at the situation.
Perhaps they would like to donate their millions to the cause.

We will arrive at our destination but all in good time
UTA
[quote][p][bold]Aye Aye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: It is worth remembering that "the suits" (as so many people derogatively call them) stated quite clearly that we were not intending to do much business in the transfer window. Some signings didn't come off, other did, but it was about as many as we should have expected. This is still OG's first season and with what is still largely GP's squad. I won't even start to judge Oscar until about next Christmas, when he has had a full season and pre-season under his belt, by which time he will have the players he thinks are more suited to his style. There is far too much short-termism being displayed by football fans in general. We all want results now, rather than taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture. Yes, we could go 4-4-2, but that would undo all the work that OG has put in motion. Yes, we could get "a British manager and British players" as a few xenophobes/neanderth als have suggested, but do we really just want to be another identikit English team playing in the traditional and unsuccessful 'English style', where the post-match comments of the manager consist solely of "we worked hard, we kept a good shape, I couldn't fault the effort of the lads", or do we want a team where the football is a joy to behold and speaks eloquently for itself? I'm in for the long haul and I'm expecting a slightly rocky but ultimately joyous journey.[/p][/quote]Calming words EPA with which I wholeheartedly agree. We've come an awfully long way in a short space of time and there is so much to look forward to. I'm prepared to be patient and have always seen this season as a difficult one, even before its first ball was kicked. Given the background against which he came to the club, OG has done well to give us even a sniff of contention. I strongly feel the best has yet to come and choppy seas can only be sailed in a stable ship. No, despite yesterday's extremely disappointing result, I'm happy with the progress we've made and, likewise, I don't think we can really tap the mercury in the thermometer until next season. I'm certainly not going to engage in the ritual burning of my season ticket or share in the hysterical hyperbole expressed by those who can only see as far as the end of their nose. UTA[/p][/quote]Good to see some reasoned and sensible comments. Too many on here demand that money be thrown at the situation. Perhaps they would like to donate their millions to the cause. We will arrive at our destination but all in good time UTA OldGull
  • Score: 2

11:43pm Mon 3 Feb 14

OldGull says...

pjwilk wrote:
As someone said Oscar has the personality of a sprout,i take exception to that remark,a sprout has much more personality.
You Sir, are a complete A*SE
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: As someone said Oscar has the personality of a sprout,i take exception to that remark,a sprout has much more personality.[/p][/quote]You Sir, are a complete A*SE OldGull
  • Score: 1

11:59pm Mon 3 Feb 14

pjwilk says...

OldGull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
As someone said Oscar has the personality of a sprout,i take exception to that remark,a sprout has much more personality.
You Sir, are a complete A*SE
Not a sprout though.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: As someone said Oscar has the personality of a sprout,i take exception to that remark,a sprout has much more personality.[/p][/quote]You Sir, are a complete A*SE[/p][/quote]Not a sprout though. pjwilk
  • Score: -3

7:25pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

pjwilk wrote:
OldGull wrote:
pjwilk wrote: As someone said Oscar has the personality of a sprout,i take exception to that remark,a sprout has much more personality.
You Sir, are a complete A*SE
Not a sprout though.
Nope, just a complete A*SE!
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: As someone said Oscar has the personality of a sprout,i take exception to that remark,a sprout has much more personality.[/p][/quote]You Sir, are a complete A*SE[/p][/quote]Not a sprout though.[/p][/quote]Nope, just a complete A*SE! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

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