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Albion keen to hang on to Obika

The Argus: Jon Obika could be recalled by Tottenham this week Jon Obika could be recalled by Tottenham this week

Albion are eager to keep hold of on-loan striker Jonathan Obika until April – but could have the decision taken out of their hands.

Obika’s 93-day loan from Tottenham ends on April 11, six matches before the end of the season with Spurs unwilling to let him stay at the Amex until the end of the campaign.

Tottenham are also entitled to recall him after the first 28 days of his loan, which falls later this week.

Obika was an unused substitute for the second game running in Sunday’s 2-0 defeat at Watford after opening his account for Albion on his full debut in the FA Cup win at Port Vale.

Jones, instrumental in the deal having worked with Obika at both Charlton and Yeovil, is keeping his fingers crossed for the Tottenham forward to remain with Albion for the full duration of his loan.

“I am hoping so, because he is important to us,” Jones said. “He didn’t feature at Watford but he will get plenty of minutes.

“He was a little bit disappointed that we couldn’t get him on but, with the early injury to Jake (Forster-Caskey), it meant we had to use one of the subs.

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7:11am Tue 4 Feb 14

arc12 says...

Why keep him? - OG is obviously not going to play him just like the Lita situation as he only wants 1 up front. Waste of wages IMO.
Why keep him? - OG is obviously not going to play him just like the Lita situation as he only wants 1 up front. Waste of wages IMO. arc12
  • Score: 37

7:22am Tue 4 Feb 14

MHubbs says...

arc12 wrote:
Why keep him? - OG is obviously not going to play him just like the Lita situation as he only wants 1 up front. Waste of wages IMO.
Well said
[quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: Why keep him? - OG is obviously not going to play him just like the Lita situation as he only wants 1 up front. Waste of wages IMO.[/p][/quote]Well said MHubbs
  • Score: 22

7:22am Tue 4 Feb 14

Far gull says...

arc12 wrote:
Why keep him? - OG is obviously not going to play him just like the Lita situation as he only wants 1 up front. Waste of wages IMO.
Absolutely bizarre,we loan strikers but never seem to use them because our system is so inflexible. I could understand if we had a midfield like Chelsea having watched last nights game. It was a lesson to any young footballer,the skill level was high but the work rate of Willan and Hazard was phenomenal .
Oscar if you only want to play one striker you need to unearth some midfielders like those two to make this system work.
[quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: Why keep him? - OG is obviously not going to play him just like the Lita situation as he only wants 1 up front. Waste of wages IMO.[/p][/quote]Absolutely bizarre,we loan strikers but never seem to use them because our system is so inflexible. I could understand if we had a midfield like Chelsea having watched last nights game. It was a lesson to any young footballer,the skill level was high but the work rate of Willan and Hazard was phenomenal . Oscar if you only want to play one striker you need to unearth some midfielders like those two to make this system work. Far gull
  • Score: 43

7:29am Tue 4 Feb 14

bbb1969 says...

What a load of tosh from NJ.
If I thought we were going to play eith 2 up front then I would be concerned however this may justify why we only play 1 up front.
Be good to hear the excuses when CMS and Hoskins are back.
I did not mind the 1 up front if the striker gets support from attack minded mf and wingers but it did not happen at Watford until too late.
I am hoping we get a good string of home game wins but if the teams come to park the bus then play 2 or even 3 up front just like OG's preferred 4-3-3.
I would like to see us have a right go now and if we lose or concede goals the at least we have had a go.
What a load of tosh from NJ. If I thought we were going to play eith 2 up front then I would be concerned however this may justify why we only play 1 up front. Be good to hear the excuses when CMS and Hoskins are back. I did not mind the 1 up front if the striker gets support from attack minded mf and wingers but it did not happen at Watford until too late. I am hoping we get a good string of home game wins but if the teams come to park the bus then play 2 or even 3 up front just like OG's preferred 4-3-3. I would like to see us have a right go now and if we lose or concede goals the at least we have had a go. bbb1969
  • Score: 34

7:32am Tue 4 Feb 14

Hector66 says...

what i'd really like to read are tony bloom's side of the bridcutt sale as I think we sold him way too cheaply and I'd like very much to read bloom's views as to why i am wrong and i they think they got the max value they could for him.

btw how come hudds can hold onto their players, and bournemouth, too, but as soon as a bid goes in for our better players we've got as much chance as holding onto them as holding onto the soap in the shower?
what i'd really like to read are tony bloom's side of the bridcutt sale as I think we sold him way too cheaply and I'd like very much to read bloom's views as to why i am wrong and i they think they got the max value they could for him. btw how come hudds can hold onto their players, and bournemouth, too, but as soon as a bid goes in for our better players we've got as much chance as holding onto them as holding onto the soap in the shower? Hector66
  • Score: 17

8:08am Tue 4 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Hector66 wrote:
what i'd really like to read are tony bloom's side of the bridcutt sale as I think we sold him way too cheaply and I'd like very much to read bloom's views as to why i am wrong and i they think they got the max value they could for him.

btw how come hudds can hold onto their players, and bournemouth, too, but as soon as a bid goes in for our better players we've got as much chance as holding onto them as holding onto the soap in the shower?
I think the draw of a bid from the Premiership and Sunderland is a bit different to Bournemouth and Huddersfield getting bids from us.........
[quote][p][bold]Hector66[/bold] wrote: what i'd really like to read are tony bloom's side of the bridcutt sale as I think we sold him way too cheaply and I'd like very much to read bloom's views as to why i am wrong and i they think they got the max value they could for him. btw how come hudds can hold onto their players, and bournemouth, too, but as soon as a bid goes in for our better players we've got as much chance as holding onto them as holding onto the soap in the shower?[/p][/quote]I think the draw of a bid from the Premiership and Sunderland is a bit different to Bournemouth and Huddersfield getting bids from us......... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 14

8:15am Tue 4 Feb 14

Steveg1958 says...

What Rubbish from NJ, What does the "head coach" think ? agree with above, its a complete waste of money, let him go back to Spurs now. Be very interesting to see what happens to CMS, Hoskins and Rodriguez when all are fit, are we going to sell CMS back to Peterborough ? and the "knock back story" just a smokescreen. Come on TB, lets have a statement or two about what you actually want on the pitch, instead of Hotels etc for once.
What Rubbish from NJ, What does the "head coach" think ? agree with above, its a complete waste of money, let him go back to Spurs now. Be very interesting to see what happens to CMS, Hoskins and Rodriguez when all are fit, are we going to sell CMS back to Peterborough ? and the "knock back story" just a smokescreen. Come on TB, lets have a statement or two about what you actually want on the pitch, instead of Hotels etc for once. Steveg1958
  • Score: 4

8:18am Tue 4 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

I agree with all so far. As an example of massive understatement, it does seem a bit.... odd.
Then again, in fairness to NJ, 10 minutes as a sub for Ulloa, 20 minutes as a sub for Ulloa and 15 minutes as a sub for Ulloa, does equal "plenty of minutes".
You couldn't blame Spurs for wanting him back in order to send him out to a club where he was actually going to play.
And if he's needed as cover here because he's a certain style of player who can deputise for Ulloa within our set style, it begs the question of why Rodriguez was signed instead of a 'big man' or even where CMS is going to fit in when ready?
As I, and others keep saying, it would be nice to know....
I agree with all so far. As an example of massive understatement, it does seem a bit.... odd. Then again, in fairness to NJ, 10 minutes as a sub for Ulloa, 20 minutes as a sub for Ulloa and 15 minutes as a sub for Ulloa, does equal "plenty of minutes". You couldn't blame Spurs for wanting him back in order to send him out to a club where he was actually going to play. And if he's needed as cover here because he's a certain style of player who can deputise for Ulloa within our set style, it begs the question of why Rodriguez was signed instead of a 'big man' or even where CMS is going to fit in when ready? As I, and others keep saying, it would be nice to know.... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 12

8:22am Tue 4 Feb 14

WestStander17 says...

Far gull wrote:
arc12 wrote:
Why keep him? - OG is obviously not going to play him just like the Lita situation as he only wants 1 up front. Waste of wages IMO.
Absolutely bizarre,we loan strikers but never seem to use them because our system is so inflexible. I could understand if we had a midfield like Chelsea having watched last nights game. It was a lesson to any young footballer,the skill level was high but the work rate of Willan and Hazard was phenomenal .
Oscar if you only want to play one striker you need to unearth some midfielders like those two to make this system work.
I think we can all see that we need to get more support to Ulloa with most calling for a 2nd striker. I think the better way to go would be to push our wide players right up to play as out and out forwards. This means the likes of Obika, Rodney, CMS and Hoskins could all fill these wide positions as well as Lua Lua and Buckley.

It would make it difficult for other teams to play out from the back and therefore play long which Greer, Upson and Ince should gobble up. We'd also maintain our central 3 midfielders to hopefully control the game.

Crucially, it would also mean Ulloa always has support as the wide forwards wouldn't be asked to get behind the ball in their own half and would stay up with him. This allows us to attack quicker like Oscar wants but with out leaving Ulloa all the work to do on his own.

The only downside I can see is that our full backs would be more exposed. We'd have to trust them to cope with that, which I think they could, but by playing 2 more defensive CMs (Ince & Andrews), would give them support. That leaves a wide choice for the last CM who would support the attack but also help out in defence. Stephens, Orlandi, Lopez, JFC and Agustien could all fill this position.

More attacking, keeps a central 3 midfielders. Done!
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: Why keep him? - OG is obviously not going to play him just like the Lita situation as he only wants 1 up front. Waste of wages IMO.[/p][/quote]Absolutely bizarre,we loan strikers but never seem to use them because our system is so inflexible. I could understand if we had a midfield like Chelsea having watched last nights game. It was a lesson to any young footballer,the skill level was high but the work rate of Willan and Hazard was phenomenal . Oscar if you only want to play one striker you need to unearth some midfielders like those two to make this system work.[/p][/quote]I think we can all see that we need to get more support to Ulloa with most calling for a 2nd striker. I think the better way to go would be to push our wide players right up to play as out and out forwards. This means the likes of Obika, Rodney, CMS and Hoskins could all fill these wide positions as well as Lua Lua and Buckley. It would make it difficult for other teams to play out from the back and therefore play long which Greer, Upson and Ince should gobble up. We'd also maintain our central 3 midfielders to hopefully control the game. Crucially, it would also mean Ulloa always has support as the wide forwards wouldn't be asked to get behind the ball in their own half and would stay up with him. This allows us to attack quicker like Oscar wants but with out leaving Ulloa all the work to do on his own. The only downside I can see is that our full backs would be more exposed. We'd have to trust them to cope with that, which I think they could, but by playing 2 more defensive CMs (Ince & Andrews), would give them support. That leaves a wide choice for the last CM who would support the attack but also help out in defence. Stephens, Orlandi, Lopez, JFC and Agustien could all fill this position. More attacking, keeps a central 3 midfielders. Done! WestStander17
  • Score: 15

8:32am Tue 4 Feb 14

lowerbeedingseagull says...

I said yesterday that Albion should get rid of Garcia and Jones NOW and get Malky McKay in and this drivel from Jones, again, reinforces my opinion.

The squad is capable, it is the management who aren't.
I said yesterday that Albion should get rid of Garcia and Jones NOW and get Malky McKay in and this drivel from Jones, again, reinforces my opinion. The squad is capable, it is the management who aren't. lowerbeedingseagull
  • Score: -11

8:41am Tue 4 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

WestStander17 wrote:
Far gull wrote:
arc12 wrote:
Why keep him? - OG is obviously not going to play him just like the Lita situation as he only wants 1 up front. Waste of wages IMO.
Absolutely bizarre,we loan strikers but never seem to use them because our system is so inflexible. I could understand if we had a midfield like Chelsea having watched last nights game. It was a lesson to any young footballer,the skill level was high but the work rate of Willan and Hazard was phenomenal .
Oscar if you only want to play one striker you need to unearth some midfielders like those two to make this system work.
I think we can all see that we need to get more support to Ulloa with most calling for a 2nd striker. I think the better way to go would be to push our wide players right up to play as out and out forwards. This means the likes of Obika, Rodney, CMS and Hoskins could all fill these wide positions as well as Lua Lua and Buckley.

It would make it difficult for other teams to play out from the back and therefore play long which Greer, Upson and Ince should gobble up. We'd also maintain our central 3 midfielders to hopefully control the game.

Crucially, it would also mean Ulloa always has support as the wide forwards wouldn't be asked to get behind the ball in their own half and would stay up with him. This allows us to attack quicker like Oscar wants but with out leaving Ulloa all the work to do on his own.

The only downside I can see is that our full backs would be more exposed. We'd have to trust them to cope with that, which I think they could, but by playing 2 more defensive CMs (Ince & Andrews), would give them support. That leaves a wide choice for the last CM who would support the attack but also help out in defence. Stephens, Orlandi, Lopez, JFC and Agustien could all fill this position.

More attacking, keeps a central 3 midfielders. Done!
I can see where you're coming from but I think the whole point of playing in the way we do is that it's supposed to be 4-3-3 when we have the ball (in order to play in the way you suggest) but then 4-5-1 when we don't. That way the full backs are covered. You can't have two central midfielders being pulled out of position to cover and just leave three blokes wandering about up front waiting for the ball to come back. The likelihood is they'll see it for the next kick off.
All that said, I think we all agree it's not working as it should at the moment and either it's a case of us lot being patient as the method is refined, or the coaches accepting we haven't got the players to cope and changing accordingly.
That of course, is the cue for debate!!!
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: Why keep him? - OG is obviously not going to play him just like the Lita situation as he only wants 1 up front. Waste of wages IMO.[/p][/quote]Absolutely bizarre,we loan strikers but never seem to use them because our system is so inflexible. I could understand if we had a midfield like Chelsea having watched last nights game. It was a lesson to any young footballer,the skill level was high but the work rate of Willan and Hazard was phenomenal . Oscar if you only want to play one striker you need to unearth some midfielders like those two to make this system work.[/p][/quote]I think we can all see that we need to get more support to Ulloa with most calling for a 2nd striker. I think the better way to go would be to push our wide players right up to play as out and out forwards. This means the likes of Obika, Rodney, CMS and Hoskins could all fill these wide positions as well as Lua Lua and Buckley. It would make it difficult for other teams to play out from the back and therefore play long which Greer, Upson and Ince should gobble up. We'd also maintain our central 3 midfielders to hopefully control the game. Crucially, it would also mean Ulloa always has support as the wide forwards wouldn't be asked to get behind the ball in their own half and would stay up with him. This allows us to attack quicker like Oscar wants but with out leaving Ulloa all the work to do on his own. The only downside I can see is that our full backs would be more exposed. We'd have to trust them to cope with that, which I think they could, but by playing 2 more defensive CMs (Ince & Andrews), would give them support. That leaves a wide choice for the last CM who would support the attack but also help out in defence. Stephens, Orlandi, Lopez, JFC and Agustien could all fill this position. More attacking, keeps a central 3 midfielders. Done![/p][/quote]I can see where you're coming from but I think the whole point of playing in the way we do is that it's supposed to be 4-3-3 when we have the ball (in order to play in the way you suggest) but then 4-5-1 when we don't. That way the full backs are covered. You can't have two central midfielders being pulled out of position to cover and just leave three blokes wandering about up front waiting for the ball to come back. The likelihood is they'll see it for the next kick off. All that said, I think we all agree it's not working as it should at the moment and either it's a case of us lot being patient as the method is refined, or the coaches accepting we haven't got the players to cope and changing accordingly. That of course, is the cue for debate!!! Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 11

9:11am Tue 4 Feb 14

Belive in Garcia says...

lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
I said yesterday that Albion should get rid of Garcia and Jones NOW and get Malky McKay in and this drivel from Jones, again, reinforces my opinion.

The squad is capable, it is the management who aren't.
what a joker!!!! its OG first season, never managed in england or even played.
All he has is a team that was put together by a manager with a completely different style. its not like we are battling for relegation. and if we did go up this season we would have no chance of staying up there. OG just needs time to bring in players for the style that he wants to bring to brighton when our time comes we will have a strong enough team to make a good run in the prem.

Believe in Garcia
[quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: I said yesterday that Albion should get rid of Garcia and Jones NOW and get Malky McKay in and this drivel from Jones, again, reinforces my opinion. The squad is capable, it is the management who aren't.[/p][/quote]what a joker!!!! its OG first season, never managed in england or even played. All he has is a team that was put together by a manager with a completely different style. its not like we are battling for relegation. and if we did go up this season we would have no chance of staying up there. OG just needs time to bring in players for the style that he wants to bring to brighton when our time comes we will have a strong enough team to make a good run in the prem. Believe in Garcia Belive in Garcia
  • Score: 12

9:14am Tue 4 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Obika is here as cover for Ulloa, he was never here to make up a front two with big Len.

And why all the hate for NJ? Is he the panto villain now Barnes has left?
Obika is here as cover for Ulloa, he was never here to make up a front two with big Len. And why all the hate for NJ? Is he the panto villain now Barnes has left? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 16

9:32am Tue 4 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Obika is here as cover for Ulloa, he was never here to make up a front two with big Len.

And why all the hate for NJ? Is he the panto villain now Barnes has left?
Arnie, I agree that he was never brought in to play alongside Ulloa, but I think that's the point. Because he's not playing regularly, Spurs may well be suggesting they need him somewhere where he will. Had we signed a permanent equivalent instead perhaps of Rodriguez, we wouldn't be in a potentially weak situation.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Obika is here as cover for Ulloa, he was never here to make up a front two with big Len. And why all the hate for NJ? Is he the panto villain now Barnes has left?[/p][/quote]Arnie, I agree that he was never brought in to play alongside Ulloa, but I think that's the point. Because he's not playing regularly, Spurs may well be suggesting they need him somewhere where he will. Had we signed a permanent equivalent instead perhaps of Rodriguez, we wouldn't be in a potentially weak situation. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 3

9:50am Tue 4 Feb 14

Baldseagull says...

I am loving all the advice as to how the system should work. Crofts has just gone out of the side, Barnes has just gone out of the side and new players are just coming in. Give it a week and it will all look better, we played badly under the previous geezer sometimes too.
I am loving all the advice as to how the system should work. Crofts has just gone out of the side, Barnes has just gone out of the side and new players are just coming in. Give it a week and it will all look better, we played badly under the previous geezer sometimes too. Baldseagull
  • Score: 23

10:13am Tue 4 Feb 14

Tonyuk175 says...

Once again alot of moaning!!!

i agree it would be nice to keep him but would like to see him play rather than sit on the bench UNTIL CMS is back

Would like to see us start with 2 up front

my ideal team

TK
Bruno, Upson, Greer, Ward
Ince, Stevens, Lua Lua, March (first 60 mins)
Ulloa, Obika (CMS)

Subs,
Rodrigas, dunk, brez, orlandi, calderon, spanish dave (give him last 30) andrews jfc
Once again alot of moaning!!! i agree it would be nice to keep him but would like to see him play rather than sit on the bench UNTIL CMS is back Would like to see us start with 2 up front my ideal team TK Bruno, Upson, Greer, Ward Ince, Stevens, Lua Lua, March (first 60 mins) Ulloa, Obika (CMS) Subs, Rodrigas, dunk, brez, orlandi, calderon, spanish dave (give him last 30) andrews jfc Tonyuk175
  • Score: 2

10:20am Tue 4 Feb 14

thetungsten says...

BHA's s hierarchical decision making structure and pitch level is now starting to do my nut in!! Jones chooses the players we bring on board and OG sticks them on the bench with little or no game time- and then Jones goes public saying I hope they stay longer- he did it with Lita and now he is doing it with Obika!. Its a peculiar arrangement- Jones came from out the wilderness to become a more influential figure than our first team coach. I don't mean any disrespect here but Jones hardly has any pedigree or proven form as a manager, coach or scout!!

Whilst I would like OG to become less predicable and more attacking minded ie 2 strikers, I do worry about who is running this club- it almost as strange as Charlie Oatway being First Team Coach of Sunderland- not exactly inspirational!!

im sure Jones is a good guy- i just dont think he is OG perfect right hand man! Poyet brought Tarrico- I would like OG to chose his!!
BHA's s hierarchical decision making structure and pitch level is now starting to do my nut in!! Jones chooses the players we bring on board and OG sticks them on the bench with little or no game time- and then Jones goes public saying I hope they stay longer- he did it with Lita and now he is doing it with Obika!. Its a peculiar arrangement- Jones came from out the wilderness to become a more influential figure than our first team coach. I don't mean any disrespect here but Jones hardly has any pedigree or proven form as a manager, coach or scout!! Whilst I would like OG to become less predicable and more attacking minded ie 2 strikers, I do worry about who is running this club- it almost as strange as Charlie Oatway being First Team Coach of Sunderland- not exactly inspirational!! im sure Jones is a good guy- i just dont think he is OG perfect right hand man! Poyet brought Tarrico- I would like OG to chose his!! thetungsten
  • Score: 12

10:21am Tue 4 Feb 14

Hector66 says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Hector66 wrote:
what i'd really like to read are tony bloom's side of the bridcutt sale as I think we sold him way too cheaply and I'd like very much to read bloom's views as to why i am wrong and i they think they got the max value they could for him.

btw how come hudds can hold onto their players, and bournemouth, too, but as soon as a bid goes in for our better players we've got as much chance as holding onto them as holding onto the soap in the shower?
I think the draw of a bid from the Premiership and Sunderland is a bit different to Bournemouth and Huddersfield getting bids from us.........
yes, but it is what this indicates

how can we have serious premiership aspirations and let go our very, very best players, the kind of player who comes along every 10 years or so

it seems the reality is we are cash-strapped and the premier league is mainly a delusion, as much as it pains me to say that

i just can't get away from the loss of bridcutt being a pivotal, watershed-type moment which illustrates where we really stand
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hector66[/bold] wrote: what i'd really like to read are tony bloom's side of the bridcutt sale as I think we sold him way too cheaply and I'd like very much to read bloom's views as to why i am wrong and i they think they got the max value they could for him. btw how come hudds can hold onto their players, and bournemouth, too, but as soon as a bid goes in for our better players we've got as much chance as holding onto them as holding onto the soap in the shower?[/p][/quote]I think the draw of a bid from the Premiership and Sunderland is a bit different to Bournemouth and Huddersfield getting bids from us.........[/p][/quote]yes, but it is what this indicates how can we have serious premiership aspirations and let go our very, very best players, the kind of player who comes along every 10 years or so it seems the reality is we are cash-strapped and the premier league is mainly a delusion, as much as it pains me to say that i just can't get away from the loss of bridcutt being a pivotal, watershed-type moment which illustrates where we really stand Hector66
  • Score: 1

10:24am Tue 4 Feb 14

pjwilk says...

Belive in Garcia wrote:
lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
I said yesterday that Albion should get rid of Garcia and Jones NOW and get Malky McKay in and this drivel from Jones, again, reinforces my opinion.

The squad is capable, it is the management who aren't.
what a joker!!!! its OG first season, never managed in england or even played.
All he has is a team that was put together by a manager with a completely different style. its not like we are battling for relegation. and if we did go up this season we would have no chance of staying up there. OG just needs time to bring in players for the style that he wants to bring to brighton when our time comes we will have a strong enough team to make a good run in the prem.

Believe in Garcia
We are stagnating over a very defensive system,we pay to be entertained with exciting attacking football but this defensive c***p is making us sink down the league and is boring people to distraction.Get some balls OG not just footballs.
[quote][p][bold]Belive in Garcia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: I said yesterday that Albion should get rid of Garcia and Jones NOW and get Malky McKay in and this drivel from Jones, again, reinforces my opinion. The squad is capable, it is the management who aren't.[/p][/quote]what a joker!!!! its OG first season, never managed in england or even played. All he has is a team that was put together by a manager with a completely different style. its not like we are battling for relegation. and if we did go up this season we would have no chance of staying up there. OG just needs time to bring in players for the style that he wants to bring to brighton when our time comes we will have a strong enough team to make a good run in the prem. Believe in Garcia[/p][/quote]We are stagnating over a very defensive system,we pay to be entertained with exciting attacking football but this defensive c***p is making us sink down the league and is boring people to distraction.Get some balls OG not just footballs. pjwilk
  • Score: -2

10:26am Tue 4 Feb 14

pablobrowno says...

Some people on here should be ashamed at their lack of support for the current management. Doing a very good job in tough circumstances. Let's give Oscar and Nathan a full pre-season and see how it goes next year shall we before we start calling them out! Some people love an excuse to be negative though eh?

How exactly would an 8th place finish and another season in one of the best leagues in the world be a bad thing considering the Poyet hangover and upheaval in the summer? Or am I wrong? I mean, do we NEED premiership football at Brighton next season? Really?
Some people on here should be ashamed at their lack of support for the current management. Doing a very good job in tough circumstances. Let's give Oscar and Nathan a full pre-season and see how it goes next year shall we before we start calling them out! Some people love an excuse to be negative though eh? How exactly would an 8th place finish and another season in one of the best leagues in the world be a bad thing considering the Poyet hangover and upheaval in the summer? Or am I wrong? I mean, do we NEED premiership football at Brighton next season? Really? pablobrowno
  • Score: 21

10:31am Tue 4 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Hector66 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Hector66 wrote:
what i'd really like to read are tony bloom's side of the bridcutt sale as I think we sold him way too cheaply and I'd like very much to read bloom's views as to why i am wrong and i they think they got the max value they could for him.

btw how come hudds can hold onto their players, and bournemouth, too, but as soon as a bid goes in for our better players we've got as much chance as holding onto them as holding onto the soap in the shower?
I think the draw of a bid from the Premiership and Sunderland is a bit different to Bournemouth and Huddersfield getting bids from us.........
yes, but it is what this indicates

how can we have serious premiership aspirations and let go our very, very best players, the kind of player who comes along every 10 years or so

it seems the reality is we are cash-strapped and the premier league is mainly a delusion, as much as it pains me to say that

i just can't get away from the loss of bridcutt being a pivotal, watershed-type moment which illustrates where we really stand
Hector66, For me the point is that when a Premiership side comes knocking it's very difficult to hold onto your best players, irrespective of your own aspirations. These days, players aren't interested in the ' you can do it with us next season' approach, if it's offered, they want it now. I don't think Liam's departure reflects anything more than the law of the jungle and you may well be right in saying it could be pivotal, but the club were trapped in a corner.
In my view, you can't blame them on this occasion.
[quote][p][bold]Hector66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hector66[/bold] wrote: what i'd really like to read are tony bloom's side of the bridcutt sale as I think we sold him way too cheaply and I'd like very much to read bloom's views as to why i am wrong and i they think they got the max value they could for him. btw how come hudds can hold onto their players, and bournemouth, too, but as soon as a bid goes in for our better players we've got as much chance as holding onto them as holding onto the soap in the shower?[/p][/quote]I think the draw of a bid from the Premiership and Sunderland is a bit different to Bournemouth and Huddersfield getting bids from us.........[/p][/quote]yes, but it is what this indicates how can we have serious premiership aspirations and let go our very, very best players, the kind of player who comes along every 10 years or so it seems the reality is we are cash-strapped and the premier league is mainly a delusion, as much as it pains me to say that i just can't get away from the loss of bridcutt being a pivotal, watershed-type moment which illustrates where we really stand[/p][/quote]Hector66, For me the point is that when a Premiership side comes knocking it's very difficult to hold onto your best players, irrespective of your own aspirations. These days, players aren't interested in the ' you can do it with us next season' approach, if it's offered, they want it now. I don't think Liam's departure reflects anything more than the law of the jungle and you may well be right in saying it could be pivotal, but the club were trapped in a corner. In my view, you can't blame them on this occasion. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 9

10:39am Tue 4 Feb 14

lowerbeedingseagull says...

Belive in Garcia wrote:
lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
I said yesterday that Albion should get rid of Garcia and Jones NOW and get Malky McKay in and this drivel from Jones, again, reinforces my opinion.

The squad is capable, it is the management who aren't.
what a joker!!!! its OG first season, never managed in england or even played.
All he has is a team that was put together by a manager with a completely different style. its not like we are battling for relegation. and if we did go up this season we would have no chance of staying up there. OG just needs time to bring in players for the style that he wants to bring to brighton when our time comes we will have a strong enough team to make a good run in the prem.

Believe in Garcia
Tell me the name of one rookie manager of any nationality who has had success in The Championship since Albion have been in it, please.
[quote][p][bold]Belive in Garcia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: I said yesterday that Albion should get rid of Garcia and Jones NOW and get Malky McKay in and this drivel from Jones, again, reinforces my opinion. The squad is capable, it is the management who aren't.[/p][/quote]what a joker!!!! its OG first season, never managed in england or even played. All he has is a team that was put together by a manager with a completely different style. its not like we are battling for relegation. and if we did go up this season we would have no chance of staying up there. OG just needs time to bring in players for the style that he wants to bring to brighton when our time comes we will have a strong enough team to make a good run in the prem. Believe in Garcia[/p][/quote]Tell me the name of one rookie manager of any nationality who has had success in The Championship since Albion have been in it, please. lowerbeedingseagull
  • Score: 3

10:43am Tue 4 Feb 14

B-hove says...

Hector66 wrote:
what i'd really like to read are tony bloom's side of the bridcutt sale as I think we sold him way too cheaply and I'd like very much to read bloom's views as to why i am wrong and i they think they got the max value they could for him.

btw how come hudds can hold onto their players, and bournemouth, too, but as soon as a bid goes in for our better players we've got as much chance as holding onto them as holding onto the soap in the shower?
Unlikely to hear from Tony Bloom as, we understand, he is once again wintering in Australia. I wonder if he is on a beach – with his head in the sand?
[quote][p][bold]Hector66[/bold] wrote: what i'd really like to read are tony bloom's side of the bridcutt sale as I think we sold him way too cheaply and I'd like very much to read bloom's views as to why i am wrong and i they think they got the max value they could for him. btw how come hudds can hold onto their players, and bournemouth, too, but as soon as a bid goes in for our better players we've got as much chance as holding onto them as holding onto the soap in the shower?[/p][/quote]Unlikely to hear from Tony Bloom as, we understand, he is once again wintering in Australia. I wonder if he is on a beach – with his head in the sand? B-hove
  • Score: -3

10:47am Tue 4 Feb 14

pjwilk says...

lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
Belive in Garcia wrote:
lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
I said yesterday that Albion should get rid of Garcia and Jones NOW and get Malky McKay in and this drivel from Jones, again, reinforces my opinion.

The squad is capable, it is the management who aren't.
what a joker!!!! its OG first season, never managed in england or even played.
All he has is a team that was put together by a manager with a completely different style. its not like we are battling for relegation. and if we did go up this season we would have no chance of staying up there. OG just needs time to bring in players for the style that he wants to bring to brighton when our time comes we will have a strong enough team to make a good run in the prem.

Believe in Garcia
Tell me the name of one rookie manager of any nationality who has had success in The Championship since Albion have been in it, please.
Why get a rookie manager in the first place,we need Premiership experience and now.
[quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Belive in Garcia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: I said yesterday that Albion should get rid of Garcia and Jones NOW and get Malky McKay in and this drivel from Jones, again, reinforces my opinion. The squad is capable, it is the management who aren't.[/p][/quote]what a joker!!!! its OG first season, never managed in england or even played. All he has is a team that was put together by a manager with a completely different style. its not like we are battling for relegation. and if we did go up this season we would have no chance of staying up there. OG just needs time to bring in players for the style that he wants to bring to brighton when our time comes we will have a strong enough team to make a good run in the prem. Believe in Garcia[/p][/quote]Tell me the name of one rookie manager of any nationality who has had success in The Championship since Albion have been in it, please.[/p][/quote]Why get a rookie manager in the first place,we need Premiership experience and now. pjwilk
  • Score: -3

10:51am Tue 4 Feb 14

lowerbeedingseagull says...

pjwilk wrote:
lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
Belive in Garcia wrote:
lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
I said yesterday that Albion should get rid of Garcia and Jones NOW and get Malky McKay in and this drivel from Jones, again, reinforces my opinion.

The squad is capable, it is the management who aren't.
what a joker!!!! its OG first season, never managed in england or even played.
All he has is a team that was put together by a manager with a completely different style. its not like we are battling for relegation. and if we did go up this season we would have no chance of staying up there. OG just needs time to bring in players for the style that he wants to bring to brighton when our time comes we will have a strong enough team to make a good run in the prem.

Believe in Garcia
Tell me the name of one rookie manager of any nationality who has had success in The Championship since Albion have been in it, please.
Why get a rookie manager in the first place,we need Premiership experience and now.
My point exactly!!!

McKay is the man, NOW
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Belive in Garcia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: I said yesterday that Albion should get rid of Garcia and Jones NOW and get Malky McKay in and this drivel from Jones, again, reinforces my opinion. The squad is capable, it is the management who aren't.[/p][/quote]what a joker!!!! its OG first season, never managed in england or even played. All he has is a team that was put together by a manager with a completely different style. its not like we are battling for relegation. and if we did go up this season we would have no chance of staying up there. OG just needs time to bring in players for the style that he wants to bring to brighton when our time comes we will have a strong enough team to make a good run in the prem. Believe in Garcia[/p][/quote]Tell me the name of one rookie manager of any nationality who has had success in The Championship since Albion have been in it, please.[/p][/quote]Why get a rookie manager in the first place,we need Premiership experience and now.[/p][/quote]My point exactly!!! McKay is the man, NOW lowerbeedingseagull
  • Score: -9

10:59am Tue 4 Feb 14

4everaseagull says...

pablobrowno wrote:
Some people on here should be ashamed at their lack of support for the current management. Doing a very good job in tough circumstances. Let's give Oscar and Nathan a full pre-season and see how it goes next year shall we before we start calling them out! Some people love an excuse to be negative though eh?

How exactly would an 8th place finish and another season in one of the best leagues in the world be a bad thing considering the Poyet hangover and upheaval in the summer? Or am I wrong? I mean, do we NEED premiership football at Brighton next season? Really?
Good sensible comments pablo. I said before the season started and I will repeat it again after all the issues of last summer we shall finish between 8th & 10th this season and then have a push for the Premier next season and my view has not changed. The only moan/gripe I have at the moment having been to the Watford game is the system we play. On Sunday we played 4-3-3 come 4-5-1 whichever you prefer with no width until KLL came on with effectively 5 midfield players who are all central players. This starved Leo of any meaningful support in and around the box. If OG wishes to stick with this system then we must play with two wide players who are wingers and can get balls into the box and support Leo quicker along with a central midfielder who can get forward, which I think Stephens can do. The other option having seen the genius that is Mourinho at work last night is a 4-2-3-1 system. You have your protection of 2 sitting midfielders so that when we go forward 4 players can have licence to break at pace. I appreciate we do not have the quality of a Chelsea but we have some exciting talent and pace at our disposal in KLL and Solly lets use them and get teams on the back foot especially at home. Pace is key here as we all know teams are scared of it. Win the next 3 home games, which if we are bold I think we will and it will look much better. UTA
[quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Some people on here should be ashamed at their lack of support for the current management. Doing a very good job in tough circumstances. Let's give Oscar and Nathan a full pre-season and see how it goes next year shall we before we start calling them out! Some people love an excuse to be negative though eh? How exactly would an 8th place finish and another season in one of the best leagues in the world be a bad thing considering the Poyet hangover and upheaval in the summer? Or am I wrong? I mean, do we NEED premiership football at Brighton next season? Really?[/p][/quote]Good sensible comments pablo. I said before the season started and I will repeat it again after all the issues of last summer we shall finish between 8th & 10th this season and then have a push for the Premier next season and my view has not changed. The only moan/gripe I have at the moment having been to the Watford game is the system we play. On Sunday we played 4-3-3 come 4-5-1 whichever you prefer with no width until KLL came on with effectively 5 midfield players who are all central players. This starved Leo of any meaningful support in and around the box. If OG wishes to stick with this system then we must play with two wide players who are wingers and can get balls into the box and support Leo quicker along with a central midfielder who can get forward, which I think Stephens can do. The other option having seen the genius that is Mourinho at work last night is a 4-2-3-1 system. You have your protection of 2 sitting midfielders so that when we go forward 4 players can have licence to break at pace. I appreciate we do not have the quality of a Chelsea but we have some exciting talent and pace at our disposal in KLL and Solly lets use them and get teams on the back foot especially at home. Pace is key here as we all know teams are scared of it. Win the next 3 home games, which if we are bold I think we will and it will look much better. UTA 4everaseagull
  • Score: 3

11:05am Tue 4 Feb 14

pjwilk says...

lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
Belive in Garcia wrote:
lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
I said yesterday that Albion should get rid of Garcia and Jones NOW and get Malky McKay in and this drivel from Jones, again, reinforces my opinion.

The squad is capable, it is the management who aren't.
what a joker!!!! its OG first season, never managed in england or even played.
All he has is a team that was put together by a manager with a completely different style. its not like we are battling for relegation. and if we did go up this season we would have no chance of staying up there. OG just needs time to bring in players for the style that he wants to bring to brighton when our time comes we will have a strong enough team to make a good run in the prem.

Believe in Garcia
Tell me the name of one rookie manager of any nationality who has had success in The Championship since Albion have been in it, please.
Why get a rookie manager in the first place,we need Premiership experience and now.
My point exactly!!!

McKay is the man, NOW
I think i know why we forced Gus out,he and his right and left hand men were costing too much,so they got a cheap unknown rookie OG.It all about Blue Bros saving and hanging on to money ££££££££££
£££££
[quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Belive in Garcia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: I said yesterday that Albion should get rid of Garcia and Jones NOW and get Malky McKay in and this drivel from Jones, again, reinforces my opinion. The squad is capable, it is the management who aren't.[/p][/quote]what a joker!!!! its OG first season, never managed in england or even played. All he has is a team that was put together by a manager with a completely different style. its not like we are battling for relegation. and if we did go up this season we would have no chance of staying up there. OG just needs time to bring in players for the style that he wants to bring to brighton when our time comes we will have a strong enough team to make a good run in the prem. Believe in Garcia[/p][/quote]Tell me the name of one rookie manager of any nationality who has had success in The Championship since Albion have been in it, please.[/p][/quote]Why get a rookie manager in the first place,we need Premiership experience and now.[/p][/quote]My point exactly!!! McKay is the man, NOW[/p][/quote]I think i know why we forced Gus out,he and his right and left hand men were costing too much,so they got a cheap unknown rookie OG.It all about Blue Bros saving and hanging on to money ££££££££££ £££££ pjwilk
  • Score: -11

11:43am Tue 4 Feb 14

lonegull says...

Picking up on a couple of the above points and prepared for some thumbs down.
I don't want to see any more of Jone's old mates at the club. The club was run like that prior to Blooms arrival and with no money it was possibly a good option but we should be more professional than that now. I would imagine Oscar's opinion of Jones is falling with each new player he vouches for.
Secondly we sell too cheap and if we want t progress it has to stop. Bridcut and Noone were both sold for well below their true value. These are players that can play premiership football week in week out picked up for peanuts. When Southampton were in L1 and then the championship they sold players but always got top dollar. Look at what Peterborough get when they sell. We must do better.
Picking up on a couple of the above points and prepared for some thumbs down. I don't want to see any more of Jone's old mates at the club. The club was run like that prior to Blooms arrival and with no money it was possibly a good option but we should be more professional than that now. I would imagine Oscar's opinion of Jones is falling with each new player he vouches for. Secondly we sell too cheap and if we want t progress it has to stop. Bridcut and Noone were both sold for well below their true value. These are players that can play premiership football week in week out picked up for peanuts. When Southampton were in L1 and then the championship they sold players but always got top dollar. Look at what Peterborough get when they sell. We must do better. lonegull
  • Score: 11

12:04pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Hector66 says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Hector66 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Hector66 wrote:
what i'd really like to read are tony bloom's side of the bridcutt sale as I think we sold him way too cheaply and I'd like very much to read bloom's views as to why i am wrong and i they think they got the max value they could for him.

btw how come hudds can hold onto their players, and bournemouth, too, but as soon as a bid goes in for our better players we've got as much chance as holding onto them as holding onto the soap in the shower?
I think the draw of a bid from the Premiership and Sunderland is a bit different to Bournemouth and Huddersfield getting bids from us.........
yes, but it is what this indicates

how can we have serious premiership aspirations and let go our very, very best players, the kind of player who comes along every 10 years or so

it seems the reality is we are cash-strapped and the premier league is mainly a delusion, as much as it pains me to say that

i just can't get away from the loss of bridcutt being a pivotal, watershed-type moment which illustrates where we really stand
Hector66, For me the point is that when a Premiership side comes knocking it's very difficult to hold onto your best players, irrespective of your own aspirations. These days, players aren't interested in the ' you can do it with us next season' approach, if it's offered, they want it now. I don't think Liam's departure reflects anything more than the law of the jungle and you may well be right in saying it could be pivotal, but the club were trapped in a corner.
In my view, you can't blame them on this occasion.
Albion in Staffs - it is so pleasant to have someone disagree in a polite and informative manner, so thank you. this way we can have a constructive and enjoyable chit-chat.

i do appreciate the difficulties of holding onto our best players but at 2.5 or 3.2m, we made it very easy for sunderland or anyone else to acquire him. i may be over-estimating bridcutt but i think he's one of our handful of best players ever and will prove himself to be a top defensive midfielder in the premier league.

i just can't see how we can reach and stay in the premiership if we sell on the rare occasion we unearth a diamond.

from a Seagull in South China!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hector66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hector66[/bold] wrote: what i'd really like to read are tony bloom's side of the bridcutt sale as I think we sold him way too cheaply and I'd like very much to read bloom's views as to why i am wrong and i they think they got the max value they could for him. btw how come hudds can hold onto their players, and bournemouth, too, but as soon as a bid goes in for our better players we've got as much chance as holding onto them as holding onto the soap in the shower?[/p][/quote]I think the draw of a bid from the Premiership and Sunderland is a bit different to Bournemouth and Huddersfield getting bids from us.........[/p][/quote]yes, but it is what this indicates how can we have serious premiership aspirations and let go our very, very best players, the kind of player who comes along every 10 years or so it seems the reality is we are cash-strapped and the premier league is mainly a delusion, as much as it pains me to say that i just can't get away from the loss of bridcutt being a pivotal, watershed-type moment which illustrates where we really stand[/p][/quote]Hector66, For me the point is that when a Premiership side comes knocking it's very difficult to hold onto your best players, irrespective of your own aspirations. These days, players aren't interested in the ' you can do it with us next season' approach, if it's offered, they want it now. I don't think Liam's departure reflects anything more than the law of the jungle and you may well be right in saying it could be pivotal, but the club were trapped in a corner. In my view, you can't blame them on this occasion.[/p][/quote]Albion in Staffs - it is so pleasant to have someone disagree in a polite and informative manner, so thank you. this way we can have a constructive and enjoyable chit-chat. i do appreciate the difficulties of holding onto our best players but at 2.5 or 3.2m, we made it very easy for sunderland or anyone else to acquire him. i may be over-estimating bridcutt but i think he's one of our handful of best players ever and will prove himself to be a top defensive midfielder in the premier league. i just can't see how we can reach and stay in the premiership if we sell on the rare occasion we unearth a diamond. from a Seagull in South China! Hector66
  • Score: 5

12:30pm Tue 4 Feb 14

championshipgull says...

I am liking the comments from AIS and WestStander, 4-3-3 with the ball and 4-5-1 when defending sound good to me and is more or less what we are doing at the moment. However there is a valid case for 4-4-2. I guess my point is that in modern times, it is preferable to have the players that can cope with flexible formations during the game.
I am liking the comments from AIS and WestStander, 4-3-3 with the ball and 4-5-1 when defending sound good to me and is more or less what we are doing at the moment. However there is a valid case for 4-4-2. I guess my point is that in modern times, it is preferable to have the players that can cope with flexible formations during the game. championshipgull
  • Score: 5

1:09pm Tue 4 Feb 14

championshipgull says...

Just like to add, I don’ t consider Oscar a rookie coach, he has plenty of experience at Barcelona B, with Johan Cruyff's coaching staff for the Catalonia national team and winning the Israeli league for Maccabi Tel Aviv , putting them into Europe. He is just getting started here IMO.
Just like to add, I don’ t consider Oscar a rookie coach, he has plenty of experience at Barcelona B, with Johan Cruyff's coaching staff for the Catalonia national team and winning the Israeli league for Maccabi Tel Aviv , putting them into Europe. He is just getting started here IMO. championshipgull
  • Score: 10

1:26pm Tue 4 Feb 14

WestStander17 says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
WestStander17 wrote:
Far gull wrote:
arc12 wrote:
Why keep him? - OG is obviously not going to play him just like the Lita situation as he only wants 1 up front. Waste of wages IMO.
Absolutely bizarre,we loan strikers but never seem to use them because our system is so inflexible. I could understand if we had a midfield like Chelsea having watched last nights game. It was a lesson to any young footballer,the skill level was high but the work rate of Willan and Hazard was phenomenal .
Oscar if you only want to play one striker you need to unearth some midfielders like those two to make this system work.
I think we can all see that we need to get more support to Ulloa with most calling for a 2nd striker. I think the better way to go would be to push our wide players right up to play as out and out forwards. This means the likes of Obika, Rodney, CMS and Hoskins could all fill these wide positions as well as Lua Lua and Buckley.

It would make it difficult for other teams to play out from the back and therefore play long which Greer, Upson and Ince should gobble up. We'd also maintain our central 3 midfielders to hopefully control the game.

Crucially, it would also mean Ulloa always has support as the wide forwards wouldn't be asked to get behind the ball in their own half and would stay up with him. This allows us to attack quicker like Oscar wants but with out leaving Ulloa all the work to do on his own.

The only downside I can see is that our full backs would be more exposed. We'd have to trust them to cope with that, which I think they could, but by playing 2 more defensive CMs (Ince & Andrews), would give them support. That leaves a wide choice for the last CM who would support the attack but also help out in defence. Stephens, Orlandi, Lopez, JFC and Agustien could all fill this position.

More attacking, keeps a central 3 midfielders. Done!
I can see where you're coming from but I think the whole point of playing in the way we do is that it's supposed to be 4-3-3 when we have the ball (in order to play in the way you suggest) but then 4-5-1 when we don't. That way the full backs are covered. You can't have two central midfielders being pulled out of position to cover and just leave three blokes wandering about up front waiting for the ball to come back. The likelihood is they'll see it for the next kick off.
All that said, I think we all agree it's not working as it should at the moment and either it's a case of us lot being patient as the method is refined, or the coaches accepting we haven't got the players to cope and changing accordingly.
That of course, is the cue for debate!!!
Yes, I agree the idea is that its a 4-5-1 that becomes a 4-3-3. That was the same with Gus. The difference though is we play the ball forward much quicker now, up to Ulloa quite often. This means those 2 wide players have to cover all that ground in far less time. They can't do it and end up staying in the 4-5-1 and leaving Ulloa isolated.

The way I suggested would expose the full-backs a bit but we'd still be aiming to control the game and therefore not have to defend too much. When we did, the oppo can't attack down both wings at the same time so one of the central midfielders can help out while the other holds the centre with the retreating more attacking midfielder.

However you set up, if the ball is played forward quickly, it has to be a good pass that gives the centre forward the chance to hold it up. That has been lacking, giving Leo very little hope.

Need to give him more support with the quicker approach or slow down the approach and make the ball into Leo better.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: Why keep him? - OG is obviously not going to play him just like the Lita situation as he only wants 1 up front. Waste of wages IMO.[/p][/quote]Absolutely bizarre,we loan strikers but never seem to use them because our system is so inflexible. I could understand if we had a midfield like Chelsea having watched last nights game. It was a lesson to any young footballer,the skill level was high but the work rate of Willan and Hazard was phenomenal . Oscar if you only want to play one striker you need to unearth some midfielders like those two to make this system work.[/p][/quote]I think we can all see that we need to get more support to Ulloa with most calling for a 2nd striker. I think the better way to go would be to push our wide players right up to play as out and out forwards. This means the likes of Obika, Rodney, CMS and Hoskins could all fill these wide positions as well as Lua Lua and Buckley. It would make it difficult for other teams to play out from the back and therefore play long which Greer, Upson and Ince should gobble up. We'd also maintain our central 3 midfielders to hopefully control the game. Crucially, it would also mean Ulloa always has support as the wide forwards wouldn't be asked to get behind the ball in their own half and would stay up with him. This allows us to attack quicker like Oscar wants but with out leaving Ulloa all the work to do on his own. The only downside I can see is that our full backs would be more exposed. We'd have to trust them to cope with that, which I think they could, but by playing 2 more defensive CMs (Ince & Andrews), would give them support. That leaves a wide choice for the last CM who would support the attack but also help out in defence. Stephens, Orlandi, Lopez, JFC and Agustien could all fill this position. More attacking, keeps a central 3 midfielders. Done![/p][/quote]I can see where you're coming from but I think the whole point of playing in the way we do is that it's supposed to be 4-3-3 when we have the ball (in order to play in the way you suggest) but then 4-5-1 when we don't. That way the full backs are covered. You can't have two central midfielders being pulled out of position to cover and just leave three blokes wandering about up front waiting for the ball to come back. The likelihood is they'll see it for the next kick off. All that said, I think we all agree it's not working as it should at the moment and either it's a case of us lot being patient as the method is refined, or the coaches accepting we haven't got the players to cope and changing accordingly. That of course, is the cue for debate!!![/p][/quote]Yes, I agree the idea is that its a 4-5-1 that becomes a 4-3-3. That was the same with Gus. The difference though is we play the ball forward much quicker now, up to Ulloa quite often. This means those 2 wide players have to cover all that ground in far less time. They can't do it and end up staying in the 4-5-1 and leaving Ulloa isolated. The way I suggested would expose the full-backs a bit but we'd still be aiming to control the game and therefore not have to defend too much. When we did, the oppo can't attack down both wings at the same time so one of the central midfielders can help out while the other holds the centre with the retreating more attacking midfielder. However you set up, if the ball is played forward quickly, it has to be a good pass that gives the centre forward the chance to hold it up. That has been lacking, giving Leo very little hope. Need to give him more support with the quicker approach or slow down the approach and make the ball into Leo better. WestStander17
  • Score: 6

1:29pm Tue 4 Feb 14

WestStander17 says...

lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
Belive in Garcia wrote:
lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
I said yesterday that Albion should get rid of Garcia and Jones NOW and get Malky McKay in and this drivel from Jones, again, reinforces my opinion.

The squad is capable, it is the management who aren't.
what a joker!!!! its OG first season, never managed in england or even played.
All he has is a team that was put together by a manager with a completely different style. its not like we are battling for relegation. and if we did go up this season we would have no chance of staying up there. OG just needs time to bring in players for the style that he wants to bring to brighton when our time comes we will have a strong enough team to make a good run in the prem.

Believe in Garcia
Tell me the name of one rookie manager of any nationality who has had success in The Championship since Albion have been in it, please.
Poyet?

Depends what you call success really!
[quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Belive in Garcia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: I said yesterday that Albion should get rid of Garcia and Jones NOW and get Malky McKay in and this drivel from Jones, again, reinforces my opinion. The squad is capable, it is the management who aren't.[/p][/quote]what a joker!!!! its OG first season, never managed in england or even played. All he has is a team that was put together by a manager with a completely different style. its not like we are battling for relegation. and if we did go up this season we would have no chance of staying up there. OG just needs time to bring in players for the style that he wants to bring to brighton when our time comes we will have a strong enough team to make a good run in the prem. Believe in Garcia[/p][/quote]Tell me the name of one rookie manager of any nationality who has had success in The Championship since Albion have been in it, please.[/p][/quote]Poyet? Depends what you call success really! WestStander17
  • Score: 5

1:46pm Tue 4 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

Since Obika was told to go to Brighton and score goals, I guess his parent club thought that the lad would get plenty of playing time, if that is not going to be the case then my guess is that he will be recalled.
We currently have two contracted fit strikers, Macca hopes to be ready in the next couple of weeks so where does Obika fit in. Playing two strikers would seem the only answer, or drop Ulloa but even then he would need to displace Rodriguez. Do not contract players usually get the nod ahead of loanees.
Since Obika was told to go to Brighton and score goals, I guess his parent club thought that the lad would get plenty of playing time, if that is not going to be the case then my guess is that he will be recalled. We currently have two contracted fit strikers, Macca hopes to be ready in the next couple of weeks so where does Obika fit in. Playing two strikers would seem the only answer, or drop Ulloa but even then he would need to displace Rodriguez. Do not contract players usually get the nod ahead of loanees. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

2:23pm Tue 4 Feb 14

gilbertthecat says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Obika is here as cover for Ulloa, he was never here to make up a front two with big Len.

And why all the hate for NJ? Is he the panto villain now Barnes has left?
Arnie, I agree that he was never brought in to play alongside Ulloa, but I think that's the point. Because he's not playing regularly, Spurs may well be suggesting they need him somewhere where he will. Had we signed a permanent equivalent instead perhaps of Rodriguez, we wouldn't be in a potentially weak situation.
Is that not something Spurs would have considered before letting him come on loan? They would have seen the set up when Lita was here even if they didn't actually ask the question. So they might be okay with him sitting on the bench for now. If Macca is coming back and slotting into first team contention after this set of home games, then that kind of fits with Obika being here until then plus a few weeks?
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Obika is here as cover for Ulloa, he was never here to make up a front two with big Len. And why all the hate for NJ? Is he the panto villain now Barnes has left?[/p][/quote]Arnie, I agree that he was never brought in to play alongside Ulloa, but I think that's the point. Because he's not playing regularly, Spurs may well be suggesting they need him somewhere where he will. Had we signed a permanent equivalent instead perhaps of Rodriguez, we wouldn't be in a potentially weak situation.[/p][/quote]Is that not something Spurs would have considered before letting him come on loan? They would have seen the set up when Lita was here even if they didn't actually ask the question. So they might be okay with him sitting on the bench for now. If Macca is coming back and slotting into first team contention after this set of home games, then that kind of fits with Obika being here until then plus a few weeks? gilbertthecat
  • Score: 3

2:27pm Tue 4 Feb 14

dazzler1983 says...

How about this team? Thoughts??

Tk
Upson dunk calderon
Lua lua ince stephens march
Orlandi
Ulloa Rodriguez

Oscar and Nathan seem obsessed with 4 at the back,Wish they would show some flexibility in their tactics........
We need to utalise our strikers better than we are doing at the present time.
How about this team? Thoughts?? Tk Upson dunk calderon Lua lua ince stephens march Orlandi Ulloa Rodriguez Oscar and Nathan seem obsessed with 4 at the back,Wish they would show some flexibility in their tactics........ We need to utalise our strikers better than we are doing at the present time. dazzler1983
  • Score: 1

3:26pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Chi Gull says...

WestStander17 wrote:
lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
Belive in Garcia wrote:
lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
I said yesterday that Albion should get rid of Garcia and Jones NOW and get Malky McKay in and this drivel from Jones, again, reinforces my opinion.

The squad is capable, it is the management who aren't.
what a joker!!!! its OG first season, never managed in england or even played.
All he has is a team that was put together by a manager with a completely different style. its not like we are battling for relegation. and if we did go up this season we would have no chance of staying up there. OG just needs time to bring in players for the style that he wants to bring to brighton when our time comes we will have a strong enough team to make a good run in the prem.

Believe in Garcia
Tell me the name of one rookie manager of any nationality who has had success in The Championship since Albion have been in it, please.
Poyet?

Depends what you call success really!
Brian McDermot - Reading.

If you go back a season or two before that - there are loads.
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Belive in Garcia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: I said yesterday that Albion should get rid of Garcia and Jones NOW and get Malky McKay in and this drivel from Jones, again, reinforces my opinion. The squad is capable, it is the management who aren't.[/p][/quote]what a joker!!!! its OG first season, never managed in england or even played. All he has is a team that was put together by a manager with a completely different style. its not like we are battling for relegation. and if we did go up this season we would have no chance of staying up there. OG just needs time to bring in players for the style that he wants to bring to brighton when our time comes we will have a strong enough team to make a good run in the prem. Believe in Garcia[/p][/quote]Tell me the name of one rookie manager of any nationality who has had success in The Championship since Albion have been in it, please.[/p][/quote]Poyet? Depends what you call success really![/p][/quote]Brian McDermot - Reading. If you go back a season or two before that - there are loads. Chi Gull
  • Score: 6

4:15pm Tue 4 Feb 14

pablobrowno says...

4everaseagull wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
Some people on here should be ashamed at their lack of support for the current management. Doing a very good job in tough circumstances. Let's give Oscar and Nathan a full pre-season and see how it goes next year shall we before we start calling them out! Some people love an excuse to be negative though eh?

How exactly would an 8th place finish and another season in one of the best leagues in the world be a bad thing considering the Poyet hangover and upheaval in the summer? Or am I wrong? I mean, do we NEED premiership football at Brighton next season? Really?
Good sensible comments pablo. I said before the season started and I will repeat it again after all the issues of last summer we shall finish between 8th & 10th this season and then have a push for the Premier next season and my view has not changed. The only moan/gripe I have at the moment having been to the Watford game is the system we play. On Sunday we played 4-3-3 come 4-5-1 whichever you prefer with no width until KLL came on with effectively 5 midfield players who are all central players. This starved Leo of any meaningful support in and around the box. If OG wishes to stick with this system then we must play with two wide players who are wingers and can get balls into the box and support Leo quicker along with a central midfielder who can get forward, which I think Stephens can do. The other option having seen the genius that is Mourinho at work last night is a 4-2-3-1 system. You have your protection of 2 sitting midfielders so that when we go forward 4 players can have licence to break at pace. I appreciate we do not have the quality of a Chelsea but we have some exciting talent and pace at our disposal in KLL and Solly lets use them and get teams on the back foot especially at home. Pace is key here as we all know teams are scared of it. Win the next 3 home games, which if we are bold I think we will and it will look much better. UTA
Cheers 4ever. Agree with yours too, I didn't make it to Watford so can't add to that.

We met once and chatted on a bus into Brighton from the Withdean after. Junior seagulls day. Boiling hot it was and I was with my son and you with yours (or daughter, or both!!?). My son got Elliot Bennett and Glenn Murray's spautographs that day and both were gone soon after!! I never let him get an autograph again since then!
[quote][p][bold]4everaseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Some people on here should be ashamed at their lack of support for the current management. Doing a very good job in tough circumstances. Let's give Oscar and Nathan a full pre-season and see how it goes next year shall we before we start calling them out! Some people love an excuse to be negative though eh? How exactly would an 8th place finish and another season in one of the best leagues in the world be a bad thing considering the Poyet hangover and upheaval in the summer? Or am I wrong? I mean, do we NEED premiership football at Brighton next season? Really?[/p][/quote]Good sensible comments pablo. I said before the season started and I will repeat it again after all the issues of last summer we shall finish between 8th & 10th this season and then have a push for the Premier next season and my view has not changed. The only moan/gripe I have at the moment having been to the Watford game is the system we play. On Sunday we played 4-3-3 come 4-5-1 whichever you prefer with no width until KLL came on with effectively 5 midfield players who are all central players. This starved Leo of any meaningful support in and around the box. If OG wishes to stick with this system then we must play with two wide players who are wingers and can get balls into the box and support Leo quicker along with a central midfielder who can get forward, which I think Stephens can do. The other option having seen the genius that is Mourinho at work last night is a 4-2-3-1 system. You have your protection of 2 sitting midfielders so that when we go forward 4 players can have licence to break at pace. I appreciate we do not have the quality of a Chelsea but we have some exciting talent and pace at our disposal in KLL and Solly lets use them and get teams on the back foot especially at home. Pace is key here as we all know teams are scared of it. Win the next 3 home games, which if we are bold I think we will and it will look much better. UTA[/p][/quote]Cheers 4ever. Agree with yours too, I didn't make it to Watford so can't add to that. We met once and chatted on a bus into Brighton from the Withdean after. Junior seagulls day. Boiling hot it was and I was with my son and you with yours (or daughter, or both!!?). My son got Elliot Bennett and Glenn Murray's spautographs that day and both were gone soon after!! I never let him get an autograph again since then! pablobrowno
  • Score: 4

4:18pm Tue 4 Feb 14

bruce beckett says...

Liam Bridcutt was sold to Sunderland on the cheap because he told the manager his heart was no longer in playing for the club. There was absolutely no point in keeping a disillusioned player.

Maybe we would have got more for him had we sold him in the summer, but holding midfielders who don't score goals are not exactly going to command Gareth Bale-type transfer fees. Not only that, Poyet wasn't in charge of Sunderland – his main suitor – in the summer.

The emergence of Rohan Ince has somewhat softened the blow of his departure.

Unfortunately, I think we've been caught in the perfect storm. Transfer speculation about Bridcutt, Buckley and Ulloa; a season-ending injury to our most effective attacking midfield player; Grabban turning his move from Bournemouth down; three difficult away games on the trot; a less-than-stellar January transfer window.

The question now is can we pick ourselves up and make sure the last three months of the season are meaningful?
Liam Bridcutt was sold to Sunderland on the cheap because he told the manager his heart was no longer in playing for the club. There was absolutely no point in keeping a disillusioned player. Maybe we would have got more for him had we sold him in the summer, but holding midfielders who don't score goals are not exactly going to command Gareth Bale-type transfer fees. Not only that, Poyet wasn't in charge of Sunderland – his main suitor – in the summer. The emergence of Rohan Ince has somewhat softened the blow of his departure. Unfortunately, I think we've been caught in the perfect storm. Transfer speculation about Bridcutt, Buckley and Ulloa; a season-ending injury to our most effective attacking midfield player; Grabban turning his move from Bournemouth down; three difficult away games on the trot; a less-than-stellar January transfer window. The question now is can we pick ourselves up and make sure the last three months of the season are meaningful? bruce beckett
  • Score: 10

5:43pm Tue 4 Feb 14

golddene says...

lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
Belive in Garcia wrote:
lowerbeedingseagull wrote:
I said yesterday that Albion should get rid of Garcia and Jones NOW and get Malky McKay in and this drivel from Jones, again, reinforces my opinion.

The squad is capable, it is the management who aren't.
what a joker!!!! its OG first season, never managed in england or even played.
All he has is a team that was put together by a manager with a completely different style. its not like we are battling for relegation. and if we did go up this season we would have no chance of staying up there. OG just needs time to bring in players for the style that he wants to bring to brighton when our time comes we will have a strong enough team to make a good run in the prem.

Believe in Garcia
Tell me the name of one rookie manager of any nationality who has had success in The Championship since Albion have been in it, please.
GUSTAVO POYET
[quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Belive in Garcia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowerbeedingseagull[/bold] wrote: I said yesterday that Albion should get rid of Garcia and Jones NOW and get Malky McKay in and this drivel from Jones, again, reinforces my opinion. The squad is capable, it is the management who aren't.[/p][/quote]what a joker!!!! its OG first season, never managed in england or even played. All he has is a team that was put together by a manager with a completely different style. its not like we are battling for relegation. and if we did go up this season we would have no chance of staying up there. OG just needs time to bring in players for the style that he wants to bring to brighton when our time comes we will have a strong enough team to make a good run in the prem. Believe in Garcia[/p][/quote]Tell me the name of one rookie manager of any nationality who has had success in The Championship since Albion have been in it, please.[/p][/quote]GUSTAVO POYET golddene
  • Score: 4

5:59pm Tue 4 Feb 14

tinker111 says...

MHubbs wrote:
arc12 wrote:
Why keep him? - OG is obviously not going to play him just like the Lita situation as he only wants 1 up front. Waste of wages IMO.
Well said
So very well said and to be honest what little seen would say not up to the mark CMS Coming back soon and Hoskins not far away HE HE ????? why waist wages get shot of
[quote][p][bold]MHubbs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: Why keep him? - OG is obviously not going to play him just like the Lita situation as he only wants 1 up front. Waste of wages IMO.[/p][/quote]Well said[/p][/quote]So very well said and to be honest what little seen would say not up to the mark CMS Coming back soon and Hoskins not far away HE HE ????? why waist wages get shot of tinker111
  • Score: -3

6:04pm Tue 4 Feb 14

tinker111 says...

tinker111 wrote:
MHubbs wrote:
arc12 wrote:
Why keep him? - OG is obviously not going to play him just like the Lita situation as he only wants 1 up front. Waste of wages IMO.
Well said
So very well said and to be honest what little seen would say not up to the mark CMS Coming back soon and Hoskins not far away HE HE ????? why waist wages get shot of
WASTE (sorry) OG does not get these players just fobbed on him this J O a JONES SIDE KICK
[quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MHubbs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: Why keep him? - OG is obviously not going to play him just like the Lita situation as he only wants 1 up front. Waste of wages IMO.[/p][/quote]Well said[/p][/quote]So very well said and to be honest what little seen would say not up to the mark CMS Coming back soon and Hoskins not far away HE HE ????? why waist wages get shot of[/p][/quote]WASTE (sorry) OG does not get these players just fobbed on him this J O a JONES SIDE KICK tinker111
  • Score: -3

7:19pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

WestStander17 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
WestStander17 wrote:
Far gull wrote:
arc12 wrote:
Why keep him? - OG is obviously not going to play him just like the Lita situation as he only wants 1 up front. Waste of wages IMO.
Absolutely bizarre,we loan strikers but never seem to use them because our system is so inflexible. I could understand if we had a midfield like Chelsea having watched last nights game. It was a lesson to any young footballer,the skill level was high but the work rate of Willan and Hazard was phenomenal .
Oscar if you only want to play one striker you need to unearth some midfielders like those two to make this system work.
I think we can all see that we need to get more support to Ulloa with most calling for a 2nd striker. I think the better way to go would be to push our wide players right up to play as out and out forwards. This means the likes of Obika, Rodney, CMS and Hoskins could all fill these wide positions as well as Lua Lua and Buckley.

It would make it difficult for other teams to play out from the back and therefore play long which Greer, Upson and Ince should gobble up. We'd also maintain our central 3 midfielders to hopefully control the game.

Crucially, it would also mean Ulloa always has support as the wide forwards wouldn't be asked to get behind the ball in their own half and would stay up with him. This allows us to attack quicker like Oscar wants but with out leaving Ulloa all the work to do on his own.

The only downside I can see is that our full backs would be more exposed. We'd have to trust them to cope with that, which I think they could, but by playing 2 more defensive CMs (Ince & Andrews), would give them support. That leaves a wide choice for the last CM who would support the attack but also help out in defence. Stephens, Orlandi, Lopez, JFC and Agustien could all fill this position.

More attacking, keeps a central 3 midfielders. Done!
I can see where you're coming from but I think the whole point of playing in the way we do is that it's supposed to be 4-3-3 when we have the ball (in order to play in the way you suggest) but then 4-5-1 when we don't. That way the full backs are covered. You can't have two central midfielders being pulled out of position to cover and just leave three blokes wandering about up front waiting for the ball to come back. The likelihood is they'll see it for the next kick off.
All that said, I think we all agree it's not working as it should at the moment and either it's a case of us lot being patient as the method is refined, or the coaches accepting we haven't got the players to cope and changing accordingly.
That of course, is the cue for debate!!!
Yes, I agree the idea is that its a 4-5-1 that becomes a 4-3-3. That was the same with Gus. The difference though is we play the ball forward much quicker now, up to Ulloa quite often. This means those 2 wide players have to cover all that ground in far less time. They can't do it and end up staying in the 4-5-1 and leaving Ulloa isolated.

The way I suggested would expose the full-backs a bit but we'd still be aiming to control the game and therefore not have to defend too much. When we did, the oppo can't attack down both wings at the same time so one of the central midfielders can help out while the other holds the centre with the retreating more attacking midfielder.

However you set up, if the ball is played forward quickly, it has to be a good pass that gives the centre forward the chance to hold it up. That has been lacking, giving Leo very little hope.

Need to give him more support with the quicker approach or slow down the approach and make the ball into Leo better.
See your point. Whichever way we look at it, it ain't working at the moment. I still have patience and confidence that it will..
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: Why keep him? - OG is obviously not going to play him just like the Lita situation as he only wants 1 up front. Waste of wages IMO.[/p][/quote]Absolutely bizarre,we loan strikers but never seem to use them because our system is so inflexible. I could understand if we had a midfield like Chelsea having watched last nights game. It was a lesson to any young footballer,the skill level was high but the work rate of Willan and Hazard was phenomenal . Oscar if you only want to play one striker you need to unearth some midfielders like those two to make this system work.[/p][/quote]I think we can all see that we need to get more support to Ulloa with most calling for a 2nd striker. I think the better way to go would be to push our wide players right up to play as out and out forwards. This means the likes of Obika, Rodney, CMS and Hoskins could all fill these wide positions as well as Lua Lua and Buckley. It would make it difficult for other teams to play out from the back and therefore play long which Greer, Upson and Ince should gobble up. We'd also maintain our central 3 midfielders to hopefully control the game. Crucially, it would also mean Ulloa always has support as the wide forwards wouldn't be asked to get behind the ball in their own half and would stay up with him. This allows us to attack quicker like Oscar wants but with out leaving Ulloa all the work to do on his own. The only downside I can see is that our full backs would be more exposed. We'd have to trust them to cope with that, which I think they could, but by playing 2 more defensive CMs (Ince & Andrews), would give them support. That leaves a wide choice for the last CM who would support the attack but also help out in defence. Stephens, Orlandi, Lopez, JFC and Agustien could all fill this position. More attacking, keeps a central 3 midfielders. Done![/p][/quote]I can see where you're coming from but I think the whole point of playing in the way we do is that it's supposed to be 4-3-3 when we have the ball (in order to play in the way you suggest) but then 4-5-1 when we don't. That way the full backs are covered. You can't have two central midfielders being pulled out of position to cover and just leave three blokes wandering about up front waiting for the ball to come back. The likelihood is they'll see it for the next kick off. All that said, I think we all agree it's not working as it should at the moment and either it's a case of us lot being patient as the method is refined, or the coaches accepting we haven't got the players to cope and changing accordingly. That of course, is the cue for debate!!![/p][/quote]Yes, I agree the idea is that its a 4-5-1 that becomes a 4-3-3. That was the same with Gus. The difference though is we play the ball forward much quicker now, up to Ulloa quite often. This means those 2 wide players have to cover all that ground in far less time. They can't do it and end up staying in the 4-5-1 and leaving Ulloa isolated. The way I suggested would expose the full-backs a bit but we'd still be aiming to control the game and therefore not have to defend too much. When we did, the oppo can't attack down both wings at the same time so one of the central midfielders can help out while the other holds the centre with the retreating more attacking midfielder. However you set up, if the ball is played forward quickly, it has to be a good pass that gives the centre forward the chance to hold it up. That has been lacking, giving Leo very little hope. Need to give him more support with the quicker approach or slow down the approach and make the ball into Leo better.[/p][/quote]See your point. Whichever way we look at it, it ain't working at the moment. I still have patience and confidence that it will.. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

8:18pm Tue 4 Feb 14

GovindaTim says...

B-hove wrote:
Hector66 wrote:
what i'd really like to read are tony bloom's side of the bridcutt sale as I think we sold him way too cheaply and I'd like very much to read bloom's views as to why i am wrong and i they think they got the max value they could for him.

btw how come hudds can hold onto their players, and bournemouth, too, but as soon as a bid goes in for our better players we've got as much chance as holding onto them as holding onto the soap in the shower?
Unlikely to hear from Tony Bloom as, we understand, he is once again wintering in Australia. I wonder if he is on a beach – with his head in the sand?
Id rather be on a beach in Australia with my head in the sand than in Hove with my head up my a*s*hole
[quote][p][bold]B-hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hector66[/bold] wrote: what i'd really like to read are tony bloom's side of the bridcutt sale as I think we sold him way too cheaply and I'd like very much to read bloom's views as to why i am wrong and i they think they got the max value they could for him. btw how come hudds can hold onto their players, and bournemouth, too, but as soon as a bid goes in for our better players we've got as much chance as holding onto them as holding onto the soap in the shower?[/p][/quote]Unlikely to hear from Tony Bloom as, we understand, he is once again wintering in Australia. I wonder if he is on a beach – with his head in the sand?[/p][/quote]Id rather be on a beach in Australia with my head in the sand than in Hove with my head up my a*s*hole GovindaTim
  • Score: 1

8:37pm Tue 4 Feb 14

wrighty2908 says...

Hector66 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Hector66 wrote:
what i'd really like to read are tony bloom's side of the bridcutt sale as I think we sold him way too cheaply and I'd like very much to read bloom's views as to why i am wrong and i they think they got the max value they could for him.

btw how come hudds can hold onto their players, and bournemouth, too, but as soon as a bid goes in for our better players we've got as much chance as holding onto them as holding onto the soap in the shower?
I think the draw of a bid from the Premiership and Sunderland is a bit different to Bournemouth and Huddersfield getting bids from us.........
yes, but it is what this indicates

how can we have serious premiership aspirations and let go our very, very best players, the kind of player who comes along every 10 years or so

it seems the reality is we are cash-strapped and the premier league is mainly a delusion, as much as it pains me to say that

i just can't get away from the loss of bridcutt being a pivotal, watershed-type moment which illustrates where we really stand
If you remember rightly it was Bridcutt who put in a transfer request and it was Bridcutt who said he was unable to play as his mind wasn't right. I dont want a player like that at our club, if its true the fee was 3.25m plus 0.5m add ons thats not a bad return on a player who cost nothing and who has had no premiership experience.
[quote][p][bold]Hector66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hector66[/bold] wrote: what i'd really like to read are tony bloom's side of the bridcutt sale as I think we sold him way too cheaply and I'd like very much to read bloom's views as to why i am wrong and i they think they got the max value they could for him. btw how come hudds can hold onto their players, and bournemouth, too, but as soon as a bid goes in for our better players we've got as much chance as holding onto them as holding onto the soap in the shower?[/p][/quote]I think the draw of a bid from the Premiership and Sunderland is a bit different to Bournemouth and Huddersfield getting bids from us.........[/p][/quote]yes, but it is what this indicates how can we have serious premiership aspirations and let go our very, very best players, the kind of player who comes along every 10 years or so it seems the reality is we are cash-strapped and the premier league is mainly a delusion, as much as it pains me to say that i just can't get away from the loss of bridcutt being a pivotal, watershed-type moment which illustrates where we really stand[/p][/quote]If you remember rightly it was Bridcutt who put in a transfer request and it was Bridcutt who said he was unable to play as his mind wasn't right. I dont want a player like that at our club, if its true the fee was 3.25m plus 0.5m add ons thats not a bad return on a player who cost nothing and who has had no premiership experience. wrighty2908
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7:12am Wed 5 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

wrighty2908 wrote:
Hector66 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Hector66 wrote:
what i'd really like to read are tony bloom's side of the bridcutt sale as I think we sold him way too cheaply and I'd like very much to read bloom's views as to why i am wrong and i they think they got the max value they could for him.

btw how come hudds can hold onto their players, and bournemouth, too, but as soon as a bid goes in for our better players we've got as much chance as holding onto them as holding onto the soap in the shower?
I think the draw of a bid from the Premiership and Sunderland is a bit different to Bournemouth and Huddersfield getting bids from us.........
yes, but it is what this indicates

how can we have serious premiership aspirations and let go our very, very best players, the kind of player who comes along every 10 years or so

it seems the reality is we are cash-strapped and the premier league is mainly a delusion, as much as it pains me to say that

i just can't get away from the loss of bridcutt being a pivotal, watershed-type moment which illustrates where we really stand
If you remember rightly it was Bridcutt who put in a transfer request and it was Bridcutt who said he was unable to play as his mind wasn't right. I dont want a player like that at our club, if its true the fee was 3.25m plus 0.5m add ons thats not a bad return on a player who cost nothing and who has had no premiership experience.
I agree that he needed to go because he'd clearly been got at, which is why I don't think the club had an option and citing lack of ambition is unfair in this instance. Where I do think they fouled up is the price and how they tried to drop out an inflated one anonymously in an attempt to appease the fans.
The fact is it was 2.5 with no add ons and Gus knows he's got an absolute bargain.
[quote][p][bold]wrighty2908[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hector66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hector66[/bold] wrote: what i'd really like to read are tony bloom's side of the bridcutt sale as I think we sold him way too cheaply and I'd like very much to read bloom's views as to why i am wrong and i they think they got the max value they could for him. btw how come hudds can hold onto their players, and bournemouth, too, but as soon as a bid goes in for our better players we've got as much chance as holding onto them as holding onto the soap in the shower?[/p][/quote]I think the draw of a bid from the Premiership and Sunderland is a bit different to Bournemouth and Huddersfield getting bids from us.........[/p][/quote]yes, but it is what this indicates how can we have serious premiership aspirations and let go our very, very best players, the kind of player who comes along every 10 years or so it seems the reality is we are cash-strapped and the premier league is mainly a delusion, as much as it pains me to say that i just can't get away from the loss of bridcutt being a pivotal, watershed-type moment which illustrates where we really stand[/p][/quote]If you remember rightly it was Bridcutt who put in a transfer request and it was Bridcutt who said he was unable to play as his mind wasn't right. I dont want a player like that at our club, if its true the fee was 3.25m plus 0.5m add ons thats not a bad return on a player who cost nothing and who has had no premiership experience.[/p][/quote]I agree that he needed to go because he'd clearly been got at, which is why I don't think the club had an option and citing lack of ambition is unfair in this instance. Where I do think they fouled up is the price and how they tried to drop out an inflated one anonymously in an attempt to appease the fans. The fact is it was 2.5 with no add ons and Gus knows he's got an absolute bargain. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -4

9:19am Wed 5 Feb 14

Aldrington Halt says...

Baldseagull wrote:
I am loving all the advice as to how the system should work. Crofts has just gone out of the side, Barnes has just gone out of the side and new players are just coming in. Give it a week and it will all look better, we played badly under the previous geezer sometimes too.
I agree, it was about this time last season when we were just turning it around after a long period of mediocre results mostly draws with complaints about the defensive choice of formation. Gus maybe started listening to our griping about playing a more attacking side when he started playing Kaz and Bucks on the wing and Leo, new to the fray was hitting em in! This time round despite all the hurdles(changes of personnel/injuries/f
inancial restrictions) we've given a mainly solid account of ourselves so far and need to find a winning strategy in the offense and give it some! UTA
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: I am loving all the advice as to how the system should work. Crofts has just gone out of the side, Barnes has just gone out of the side and new players are just coming in. Give it a week and it will all look better, we played badly under the previous geezer sometimes too.[/p][/quote]I agree, it was about this time last season when we were just turning it around after a long period of mediocre results mostly draws with complaints about the defensive choice of formation. Gus maybe started listening to our griping about playing a more attacking side when he started playing Kaz and Bucks on the wing and Leo, new to the fray was hitting em in! This time round despite all the hurdles(changes of personnel/injuries/f inancial restrictions) we've given a mainly solid account of ourselves so far and need to find a winning strategy in the offense and give it some! UTA Aldrington Halt
  • Score: 1

5:26pm Wed 5 Feb 14

sussexram40 says...

Good comments about Malky. He's been there and done it with Cardiff.Would be a good choice.
Offer OG a coaching role and get in a proper manager with experience to manage the team.
THis silly Spanish coach role doesnt work in the championship.
Good comments about Malky. He's been there and done it with Cardiff.Would be a good choice. Offer OG a coaching role and get in a proper manager with experience to manage the team. THis silly Spanish coach role doesnt work in the championship. sussexram40
  • Score: -3

6:16pm Wed 5 Feb 14

tinker111 says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Good comments about Malky. He's been there and done it with Cardiff.Would be a good choice.
Offer OG a coaching role and get in a proper manager with experience to manage the team.
THis silly Spanish coach role doesnt work in the championship.
Malky would never come here he would want to CHOISE has own players not fobbed off with back room staff arrangements
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Good comments about Malky. He's been there and done it with Cardiff.Would be a good choice. Offer OG a coaching role and get in a proper manager with experience to manage the team. THis silly Spanish coach role doesnt work in the championship.[/p][/quote]Malky would never come here he would want to CHOISE has own players not fobbed off with back room staff arrangements tinker111
  • Score: -1

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