The ArgusWe'll back Oscar in loan market (From The Argus)

Get involved: Send your news, views, pictures and video by texting SUPIC to 80360 or email us.

We'll back Oscar in loan market

The Argus: David Burke David Burke

Albion have vowed to back Oscar Garcia in the loan market if required – despite posting eight-figure losses for last season.

The Seagulls have announced a £14.7million deficit for the 2012-13 campaign, when they reached the Championship play-offs, and say they are clawing that back through off-pitch streamlining.

Head coach Oscar and assistant Nathan Jones met with head of football operations David Burke to discuss areas of possible squad strengthening yesterday.

Albion brought in a record transfer fee believed to be about £3million for Liam Bridcutt in the January transfer window. The Argus understands they also turned down seven-figure offers for two other players.

Now they are ready to use the loan market and are waiting for fall-out from the Premier League as clubs select their squads for the rest of the season.

Burke said injury problems affecting Will Buckley and the speed of Craig Mackail-Smith's return to action were factors under consideration before they make any move.

There is also likely to be movement out of the club with in-form development squad striker Brennan Dickenson a leading candidate to gain experience elsewhere.

Burke said: “We don't want to leave the club wanting or the manager wanting.

“There is a lot of weighing up to be done.

“If you delay it a few weeks, if you were to sign somebody now it would not take them to the play-off final.

“Our job in supporting Oscar is to make sure we know who is available at every club and who can come in and be ready to play straight away.

“You don't want a loan player who has not played all season.

“With the transfer window ending, clubs squads change as well.

“They will be announcing their Premier League squads.

“There was quite a lot of activity on the last two days of the window.

“Players have now become available who were not available and Mervyn Day and his scouting team are looking at them now.

“We would always look to strengthen where we need to. We meet every day to talk about such things.”

Comments (31)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

6:24am Thu 6 Feb 14

Zamora25 says...

With 23 out of contract players, including the three loan players, don't be surprised to see 15 players be released at the end of the season.
With 23 out of contract players, including the three loan players, don't be surprised to see 15 players be released at the end of the season. Zamora25
  • Score: -20

6:39am Thu 6 Feb 14

bbb1969 says...

Still don't think we need anyone except maybe a quick cb.
In Summer then yes when we lose our couple of loanees and then the contracts up for renewal like Rodders.
Just to clarify; people have said get a creative mf. Well we have Orlandi who is getting back to normal after injury; we have Augustien who has skill, good feet and has a shot but not been given enough play time and we have JFC who is quick and has a good shot but needs to still develop and work on his game. CB we have Dunk to cover.
Wingers wr are fine with especially if we have Buckers and Lua lua fit and with Rodders and Obika we have Striker options probably at the expense of a mf or winger.
I have not forgot about Stephens who replaces Crofts who also needs a little time to fit in.
So if people do not agree with me then who would you replace in our team with a loanee from the pl remembering anyone from the top flight may not be getting a game cos they are not good enough.
also have not mentipned Ince cos I do not need to but Andrews can cover.
Just don't want to get bench warmers when we have enough cover and quality if they players simply peform in a working formation but that also means giving others a fair shot at the startin 11.
Still don't think we need anyone except maybe a quick cb. In Summer then yes when we lose our couple of loanees and then the contracts up for renewal like Rodders. Just to clarify; people have said get a creative mf. Well we have Orlandi who is getting back to normal after injury; we have Augustien who has skill, good feet and has a shot but not been given enough play time and we have JFC who is quick and has a good shot but needs to still develop and work on his game. CB we have Dunk to cover. Wingers wr are fine with especially if we have Buckers and Lua lua fit and with Rodders and Obika we have Striker options probably at the expense of a mf or winger. I have not forgot about Stephens who replaces Crofts who also needs a little time to fit in. So if people do not agree with me then who would you replace in our team with a loanee from the pl remembering anyone from the top flight may not be getting a game cos they are not good enough. also have not mentipned Ince cos I do not need to but Andrews can cover. Just don't want to get bench warmers when we have enough cover and quality if they players simply peform in a working formation but that also means giving others a fair shot at the startin 11. bbb1969
  • Score: 22

8:36am Thu 6 Feb 14

seagullsays says...

I agree with bbb1969 generally. The players we have are good enough to challenge for the playoffs I think, so no need to incur additional costs loaning players in. However, if we're going to have a serious attempt at the playoff spots, OG needs to play more assertively with the players he has. In my opinion, for what it's worth, that's why we're dropping points. Too narrow, too cautious, too slow.
I agree with bbb1969 generally. The players we have are good enough to challenge for the playoffs I think, so no need to incur additional costs loaning players in. However, if we're going to have a serious attempt at the playoff spots, OG needs to play more assertively with the players he has. In my opinion, for what it's worth, that's why we're dropping points. Too narrow, too cautious, too slow. seagullsays
  • Score: 6

8:37am Thu 6 Feb 14

Scarfer1 says...

Zamora25 wrote:
With 23 out of contract players, including the three loan players, don't be surprised to see 15 players be released at the end of the season.
Morning Bobby - any chance you fancy a loan move to the Amex?
[quote][p][bold]Zamora25[/bold] wrote: With 23 out of contract players, including the three loan players, don't be surprised to see 15 players be released at the end of the season.[/p][/quote]Morning Bobby - any chance you fancy a loan move to the Amex? Scarfer1
  • Score: -8

8:50am Thu 6 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

bbb1969 wrote:
Still don't think we need anyone except maybe a quick cb.
In Summer then yes when we lose our couple of loanees and then the contracts up for renewal like Rodders.
Just to clarify; people have said get a creative mf. Well we have Orlandi who is getting back to normal after injury; we have Augustien who has skill, good feet and has a shot but not been given enough play time and we have JFC who is quick and has a good shot but needs to still develop and work on his game. CB we have Dunk to cover.
Wingers wr are fine with especially if we have Buckers and Lua lua fit and with Rodders and Obika we have Striker options probably at the expense of a mf or winger.
I have not forgot about Stephens who replaces Crofts who also needs a little time to fit in.
So if people do not agree with me then who would you replace in our team with a loanee from the pl remembering anyone from the top flight may not be getting a game cos they are not good enough.
also have not mentipned Ince cos I do not need to but Andrews can cover.
Just don't want to get bench warmers when we have enough cover and quality if they players simply peform in a working formation but that also means giving others a fair shot at the startin 11.
My view is the loan market now turns the signing process on its head. It's not necessarily a case of 'what we need' more a process of 'what is available'.
Burke outlines the situation very well here and, as he says, there's a period now where PL clubs are assessing their squads and some players will miss out on the official update. Just because you're a contracted player at a club you have to be registered within a squad of maximum number, so it's a case of seeing who misses out.
So for me the exercise now becomes a case of who's available and are they better than what we have in that position. It's not impossible, but as I understand it, the chances of saying we need a CB and getting the right one, are vastly reduced in the loan market.
[quote][p][bold]bbb1969[/bold] wrote: Still don't think we need anyone except maybe a quick cb. In Summer then yes when we lose our couple of loanees and then the contracts up for renewal like Rodders. Just to clarify; people have said get a creative mf. Well we have Orlandi who is getting back to normal after injury; we have Augustien who has skill, good feet and has a shot but not been given enough play time and we have JFC who is quick and has a good shot but needs to still develop and work on his game. CB we have Dunk to cover. Wingers wr are fine with especially if we have Buckers and Lua lua fit and with Rodders and Obika we have Striker options probably at the expense of a mf or winger. I have not forgot about Stephens who replaces Crofts who also needs a little time to fit in. So if people do not agree with me then who would you replace in our team with a loanee from the pl remembering anyone from the top flight may not be getting a game cos they are not good enough. also have not mentipned Ince cos I do not need to but Andrews can cover. Just don't want to get bench warmers when we have enough cover and quality if they players simply peform in a working formation but that also means giving others a fair shot at the startin 11.[/p][/quote]My view is the loan market now turns the signing process on its head. It's not necessarily a case of 'what we need' more a process of 'what is available'. Burke outlines the situation very well here and, as he says, there's a period now where PL clubs are assessing their squads and some players will miss out on the official update. Just because you're a contracted player at a club you have to be registered within a squad of maximum number, so it's a case of seeing who misses out. So for me the exercise now becomes a case of who's available and are they better than what we have in that position. It's not impossible, but as I understand it, the chances of saying we need a CB and getting the right one, are vastly reduced in the loan market. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 5

8:54am Thu 6 Feb 14

pablobrowno says...

Why on earth didn't we get Conway back? Real asset to us he was.
Why on earth didn't we get Conway back? Real asset to us he was. pablobrowno
  • Score: -9

9:02am Thu 6 Feb 14

Never_Wrong says...

No point getting loans in now, the season has gone. We'd be better off playing the reserves (saving appearance fees), loaning out our big earners and whacking up season ticket prices. The football is a complete side issue.
No point getting loans in now, the season has gone. We'd be better off playing the reserves (saving appearance fees), loaning out our big earners and whacking up season ticket prices. The football is a complete side issue. Never_Wrong
  • Score: -27

9:10am Thu 6 Feb 14

lonegull says...

Two 7 figure offers for players, Buckley & ???.
Two 7 figure offers for players, Buckley & ???. lonegull
  • Score: 2

9:17am Thu 6 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Do we know who (apart from Buckley) the other £1m+ bid was for?

It's also nice to see the Argus have stated they believe the fee for Bridcutt to be £3m rather than the £2.5m they quoted earlier.
Do we know who (apart from Buckley) the other £1m+ bid was for? It's also nice to see the Argus have stated they believe the fee for Bridcutt to be £3m rather than the £2.5m they quoted earlier. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

9:27am Thu 6 Feb 14

Neville says...

Other bid had to be for Ulloa,cannot think of anyone else apart from TK justifying that money.
Other bid had to be for Ulloa,cannot think of anyone else apart from TK justifying that money. Neville
  • Score: 5

9:28am Thu 6 Feb 14

rockreefer says...

lonegull wrote:
Two 7 figure offers for players, Buckley & ???.
CMS - Peterborough, a cheeky buy-back?
[quote][p][bold]lonegull[/bold] wrote: Two 7 figure offers for players, Buckley & ???.[/p][/quote]CMS - Peterborough, a cheeky buy-back? rockreefer
  • Score: 2

9:36am Thu 6 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Do we know who (apart from Buckley) the other £1m+ bid was for?

It's also nice to see the Argus have stated they believe the fee for Bridcutt to be £3m rather than the £2.5m they quoted earlier.
Bet they've been quietly told by he club they need to bump it up be more accurate.
It was 2.5 no add ons
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Do we know who (apart from Buckley) the other £1m+ bid was for? It's also nice to see the Argus have stated they believe the fee for Bridcutt to be £3m rather than the £2.5m they quoted earlier.[/p][/quote]Bet they've been quietly told by he club they need to bump it up be more accurate. It was 2.5 no add ons Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -19

9:46am Thu 6 Feb 14

mikeygit says...

Rockreefer--I think you are correct---the other one was CMS. IMO it is going to be increasingly difficult for clubs in ours and the lower divisions to make a profit. With the modern demands of players and their agents clubs are finding it increasingly difficult to make any money. Only the Premiership higher order stand any chance and even some of them are millions in debt--look at Chelsea for instance. I think BHA management are finding the ´juggling´act a difficult one to come to terms with. With The Amex at near capacity most home matches- the Suits are going to have to work extremely hard to get income in from outside. i guess that is why they are contemplating the Hotel and other developments---but that is going to take time to claw back the initial capital outlay. As to the team/squad--I agree that I think we have the players who can perform well if only we played a different formation and then started to score a few goals. that would make us a more attractive team to watch and maybe we could then get more TV coverage--I do not know but just a thought??
Rockreefer--I think you are correct---the other one was CMS. IMO it is going to be increasingly difficult for clubs in ours and the lower divisions to make a profit. With the modern demands of players and their agents clubs are finding it increasingly difficult to make any money. Only the Premiership higher order stand any chance and even some of them are millions in debt--look at Chelsea for instance. I think BHA management are finding the ´juggling´act a difficult one to come to terms with. With The Amex at near capacity most home matches- the Suits are going to have to work extremely hard to get income in from outside. i guess that is why they are contemplating the Hotel and other developments---but that is going to take time to claw back the initial capital outlay. As to the team/squad--I agree that I think we have the players who can perform well if only we played a different formation and then started to score a few goals. that would make us a more attractive team to watch and maybe we could then get more TV coverage--I do not know but just a thought?? mikeygit
  • Score: 3

10:54am Thu 6 Feb 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

when does the loan window open and how long does it stay open for anyone?
Thank you
when does the loan window open and how long does it stay open for anyone? Thank you SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 0

11:02am Thu 6 Feb 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
when does the loan window open and how long does it stay open for anyone?
Thank you
Sorry I meant would anyone like to give out the information.i did not mean any player!
[quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: when does the loan window open and how long does it stay open for anyone? Thank you[/p][/quote]Sorry I meant would anyone like to give out the information.i did not mean any player! SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 0

11:20am Thu 6 Feb 14

Yogi says...

Always thought we would have to wait for the loan market, with a 93 days loan we might pick someone up now with a bit of quality. Club is still going forwards, remember there is a lot of investment in the training ground which, I believe, will pay dividends pretty quickly.

TALKING POINT:- Will we be lucky enough to get Liam Brady on board for that project???
Always thought we would have to wait for the loan market, with a 93 days loan we might pick someone up now with a bit of quality. Club is still going forwards, remember there is a lot of investment in the training ground which, I believe, will pay dividends pretty quickly. TALKING POINT:- Will we be lucky enough to get Liam Brady on board for that project??? Yogi
  • Score: 4

11:47am Thu 6 Feb 14

AGT999 says...

I personally don't think we need to loan anyone for the rest of the season, just a change of tactics. We have plenty of options in all positions now, what are we short of? Lets go for a 4 4 2 and see where that takes us, 1 win and 2 loses still equals an unbeaten run of 3 draws...
I personally don't think we need to loan anyone for the rest of the season, just a change of tactics. We have plenty of options in all positions now, what are we short of? Lets go for a 4 4 2 and see where that takes us, 1 win and 2 loses still equals an unbeaten run of 3 draws... AGT999
  • Score: 1

1:19pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Gamley's factory says...

So you don't want a loan player who hasn't played all season, Sir, but you signed Leroy Lita on loan, who perfectly fits that criteria?
So you don't want a loan player who hasn't played all season, Sir, but you signed Leroy Lita on loan, who perfectly fits that criteria? Gamley's factory
  • Score: 4

1:20pm Thu 6 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

AGT999 wrote:
I personally don't think we need to loan anyone for the rest of the season, just a change of tactics. We have plenty of options in all positions now, what are we short of? Lets go for a 4 4 2 and see where that takes us, 1 win and 2 loses still equals an unbeaten run of 3 draws...
Well people keep asking how David keeps getting a starting spot, Oscar obviously feels that David gives us something, maybe we could borrow a player that can give what David gives but at a more consistent higher level.

There was a real need to replace Crofts, Stephens comes in for that role, who replaces Stephens if he gets injured, we would be back to replacing Crofts, perhaps a loanee. Right now Stephens doesn't have a challenge for his position.

These two would be enough for me.
[quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: I personally don't think we need to loan anyone for the rest of the season, just a change of tactics. We have plenty of options in all positions now, what are we short of? Lets go for a 4 4 2 and see where that takes us, 1 win and 2 loses still equals an unbeaten run of 3 draws...[/p][/quote]Well people keep asking how David keeps getting a starting spot, Oscar obviously feels that David gives us something, maybe we could borrow a player that can give what David gives but at a more consistent higher level. There was a real need to replace Crofts, Stephens comes in for that role, who replaces Stephens if he gets injured, we would be back to replacing Crofts, perhaps a loanee. Right now Stephens doesn't have a challenge for his position. These two would be enough for me. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

1:28pm Thu 6 Feb 14

tinker111 says...

rockreefer wrote:
lonegull wrote:
Two 7 figure offers for players, Buckley & ???.
CMS - Peterborough, a cheeky buy-back?
HE WATCHED POSH play last evening so not that far off
[quote][p][bold]rockreefer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonegull[/bold] wrote: Two 7 figure offers for players, Buckley & ???.[/p][/quote]CMS - Peterborough, a cheeky buy-back?[/p][/quote]HE WATCHED POSH play last evening so not that far off tinker111
  • Score: 0

1:29pm Thu 6 Feb 14

tinker111 says...

pjwilk wrote:
We will back loans and make sure its players we want,not Oscars.
Sounds like the BURKE think OG Will be gone soon.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: We will back loans and make sure its players we want,not Oscars.[/p][/quote]Sounds like the BURKE think OG Will be gone soon. tinker111
  • Score: 0

2:58pm Thu 6 Feb 14

brightonup says...

pablobrowno wrote:
Why on earth didn't we get Conway back? Real asset to us he was.
I think you have your answer if you re/read the financial statement
[quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Why on earth didn't we get Conway back? Real asset to us he was.[/p][/quote]I think you have your answer if you re/read the financial statement brightonup
  • Score: 1

3:13pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Eddy B says...

Agree with you lot! No point getting more loans/bench warmers in UNLESS they are top qua'ity able to enhance our first team, and won't be many of them around. I even question the need for Stephens when we have Orlandi, Augestein, JFC, David etc....

How about this for a radical suggestion? Put Spanish Dave in the middle to spray it around and shoot (one thing he is generally pretty good at) - bung Rodriguez or Buckley out on the right wing where Dave is pretty ineffective most the time. Back him up with Ince and one from Orlandi/Andrews/JFC/
Augestin.
Agree with you lot! No point getting more loans/bench warmers in UNLESS they are top qua'ity able to enhance our first team, and won't be many of them around. I even question the need for Stephens when we have Orlandi, Augestein, JFC, David etc.... How about this for a radical suggestion? Put Spanish Dave in the middle to spray it around and shoot (one thing he is generally pretty good at) - bung Rodriguez or Buckley out on the right wing where Dave is pretty ineffective most the time. Back him up with Ince and one from Orlandi/Andrews/JFC/ Augestin. Eddy B
  • Score: 0

3:20pm Thu 6 Feb 14

SMF20 says...

To make loaning a couple in worthwhile, 2 things need to happen imho.

1, Tactics and mindset need to change from the guys selecting the team and formation. We need to have a real go.
2, Only bother spending more club money if there is a very real intention to achieve promotion. There is no point in just getting in guys to fill a few gaps.
If the intention is to have a real push then great, lets get a few special guys in.
If not.. Keep the money.. As others have said... We already have enough to stay mid table.

lets do this whole heartedly or not at all.

Uta
To make loaning a couple in worthwhile, 2 things need to happen imho. 1, Tactics and mindset need to change from the guys selecting the team and formation. We need to have a real go. 2, Only bother spending more club money if there is a very real intention to achieve promotion. There is no point in just getting in guys to fill a few gaps. If the intention is to have a real push then great, lets get a few special guys in. If not.. Keep the money.. As others have said... We already have enough to stay mid table. lets do this whole heartedly or not at all. Uta SMF20
  • Score: 2

3:34pm Thu 6 Feb 14

gilbertthecat says...

Generally I agree the theory that our players are good enough when performing as we know they can. Maybe tactics are a part of what's happening but I don;t think it can explain everything. The club stating they are prepared to enter the loan market seems to me a clear signal that they think some at least of our current squad may not be up to it, or the are concerned about repetitive injuries. So for me it's a combination of the two - some tactical issues that may be governed by player availability and player form.
Generally I agree the theory that our players are good enough when performing as we know they can. Maybe tactics are a part of what's happening but I don;t think it can explain everything. The club stating they are prepared to enter the loan market seems to me a clear signal that they think some at least of our current squad may not be up to it, or the are concerned about repetitive injuries. So for me it's a combination of the two - some tactical issues that may be governed by player availability and player form. gilbertthecat
  • Score: 0

6:02pm Thu 6 Feb 14

thetungsten says...

Burke is off to Sunderland- have said It in a couple of the previous articles! This I know on very good authority and am happy to take a public hanging if wrong! Watch this space- and you won't have to wait long!
Burke is off to Sunderland- have said It in a couple of the previous articles! This I know on very good authority and am happy to take a public hanging if wrong! Watch this space- and you won't have to wait long! thetungsten
  • Score: 0

6:47pm Thu 6 Feb 14

OldGull says...

pablobrowno wrote:
Why on earth didn't we get Conway back? Real asset to us he was.
probably could not afford his wage demands.
I assume he chose Blackburn for more money
[quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Why on earth didn't we get Conway back? Real asset to us he was.[/p][/quote]probably could not afford his wage demands. I assume he chose Blackburn for more money OldGull
  • Score: 1

6:52pm Thu 6 Feb 14

OldGull says...

Gamley's factory wrote:
So you don't want a loan player who hasn't played all season, Sir, but you signed Leroy Lita on loan, who perfectly fits that criteria?
that was an emergency loan to cover for Barnes.
[quote][p][bold]Gamley's factory[/bold] wrote: So you don't want a loan player who hasn't played all season, Sir, but you signed Leroy Lita on loan, who perfectly fits that criteria?[/p][/quote]that was an emergency loan to cover for Barnes. OldGull
  • Score: 2

6:54pm Thu 6 Feb 14

OldGull says...

pjwilk wrote:
We will back loans and make sure its players we want,not Oscars.
“Our job in supporting Oscar is to make sure we know who is available at every club and who can come in and be ready to play straight away.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: We will back loans and make sure its players we want,not Oscars.[/p][/quote]“Our job in supporting Oscar is to make sure we know who is available at every club and who can come in and be ready to play straight away. OldGull
  • Score: 2

7:56pm Thu 6 Feb 14

gordongull says...

The key phrase here is 'if required'.
We would need some phenomenal loan signings to gain promotion now, and the risk is unlikely to be taken.
The existing squad is more than adequate to keep us in the Championship, and anything can happen in the Cup.
The funds could be put to far better use in the Summer.
The key phrase here is 'if required'. We would need some phenomenal loan signings to gain promotion now, and the risk is unlikely to be taken. The existing squad is more than adequate to keep us in the Championship, and anything can happen in the Cup. The funds could be put to far better use in the Summer. gordongull
  • Score: -2

11:35pm Thu 6 Feb 14

tug509 says...

rockreefer wrote:
lonegull wrote:
Two 7 figure offers for players, Buckley & ???.
CMS - Peterborough, a cheeky buy-back?
,are you for real
[quote][p][bold]rockreefer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonegull[/bold] wrote: Two 7 figure offers for players, Buckley & ???.[/p][/quote]CMS - Peterborough, a cheeky buy-back?[/p][/quote],are you for real tug509
  • Score: 1

Comments are closed on this article.

click2find

Get Adobe Flash player
About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree