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Oscar focused on Doncaster game

The Argus: Oscar Garcia Oscar Garcia

Albion boss Oscar Garcia is focusing on tomorrow's home game against Doncaster, rather than reports linking him with Swansea.

The Spanish head coach is believed to be on Swansea's list of long-term targets to replace his former Barcelona team-mate Michael Laudrup at the Liberty Stadium.

Club captain Garry Monk has taken charge of the Welshmen for the rest of the season following Laudrup's sacking on Tuesday night.

Oscar said of the reports at his pre-match press conference at the Amex this morning: "I am only focusing on tomorrow's game."

Asked if the link to a Premier League club was flattering, Oscar said: "I'm happy with what I am doing here. I am doing my best and trying to improve my players, to improve the team. This is what I am feeling."

He added: "I think Brighton can emulate all the clubs in the Premier League, because this is where the club wants to be."

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11:35am Fri 7 Feb 14

dave from bexill says...

Well said OG and good start to the weekend. Lets make it a smashing weekend by burying Rovers
Well said OG and good start to the weekend. Lets make it a smashing weekend by burying Rovers dave from bexill
  • Score: 11

11:45am Fri 7 Feb 14

Alfie T says...

Gotta love him, wants to get the job done here first.
Gotta love him, wants to get the job done here first. Alfie T
  • Score: 9

11:53am Fri 7 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Alfie T wrote:
Gotta love him, wants to get the job done here first.
The guy is hardly going to say he wants the job!!
On OG comments the only way to the premiership is by scoring goals ..we can play one up front with two wide midfielders who come in to add one to the attack.. I am a massive fan of lua lua, he is the only one who gets me off my seat when he gets the ball, however how many times does that translate into goals ? March for me actually is involved in either scoring or setting up..
That's not a finger point at him, but with his ability how often does he get through with his pace? There are a lot of players out of work in the summer,
The fair play rules are being ignored by nearly every club!
I think 6 of thr bottom 8 sides in premiership have just broken there transfer record ! Forest Qpr and Leicester are spending ... The pendulum will swing our way IF SOMETHING IS DONE ABOUT OVER SPENDING, that's a big if!
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: Gotta love him, wants to get the job done here first.[/p][/quote]The guy is hardly going to say he wants the job!! On OG comments the only way to the premiership is by scoring goals ..we can play one up front with two wide midfielders who come in to add one to the attack.. I am a massive fan of lua lua, he is the only one who gets me off my seat when he gets the ball, however how many times does that translate into goals ? March for me actually is involved in either scoring or setting up.. That's not a finger point at him, but with his ability how often does he get through with his pace? There are a lot of players out of work in the summer, The fair play rules are being ignored by nearly every club! I think 6 of thr bottom 8 sides in premiership have just broken there transfer record ! Forest Qpr and Leicester are spending ... The pendulum will swing our way IF SOMETHING IS DONE ABOUT OVER SPENDING, that's a big if! mark by the sea
  • Score: 7

12:03pm Fri 7 Feb 14

pablobrowno says...

I still miss Nooney, my favourite Brighton player for years. The ball just stuck to his feet!! He is showing now he can cut it at top level. Love Buckley too but he needs to up his game and be more consistent.

Been a while, sadly, since we heard the chant of "we're f***ing brilliant" echoing around the stadium. Let's hope we can get back to that on saturday!
I still miss Nooney, my favourite Brighton player for years. The ball just stuck to his feet!! He is showing now he can cut it at top level. Love Buckley too but he needs to up his game and be more consistent. Been a while, sadly, since we heard the chant of "we're f***ing brilliant" echoing around the stadium. Let's hope we can get back to that on saturday! pablobrowno
  • Score: 12

12:20pm Fri 7 Feb 14

saraman says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Alfie T wrote: Gotta love him, wants to get the job done here first.
The guy is hardly going to say he wants the job!! On OG comments the only way to the premiership is by scoring goals ..we can play one up front with two wide midfielders who come in to add one to the attack.. I am a massive fan of lua lua, he is the only one who gets me off my seat when he gets the ball, however how many times does that translate into goals ? March for me actually is involved in either scoring or setting up.. That's not a finger point at him, but with his ability how often does he get through with his pace? There are a lot of players out of work in the summer, The fair play rules are being ignored by nearly every club! I think 6 of thr bottom 8 sides in premiership have just broken there transfer record ! Forest Qpr and Leicester are spending ... The pendulum will swing our way IF SOMETHING IS DONE ABOUT OVER SPENDING, that's a big if!
Good call Mark. Gordongull said on here yesterday that come the close season there will be a glut of players available from clubs desperate to reduce their wage bill in order to comply with FFP.

With The Albion's prudent housekeeping we will be in poll position to pick and choose quality players and pay sensible wages.

The agent leeches are going to be in for a torrid time.

Confident of three points tomorrow
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: Gotta love him, wants to get the job done here first.[/p][/quote]The guy is hardly going to say he wants the job!! On OG comments the only way to the premiership is by scoring goals ..we can play one up front with two wide midfielders who come in to add one to the attack.. I am a massive fan of lua lua, he is the only one who gets me off my seat when he gets the ball, however how many times does that translate into goals ? March for me actually is involved in either scoring or setting up.. That's not a finger point at him, but with his ability how often does he get through with his pace? There are a lot of players out of work in the summer, The fair play rules are being ignored by nearly every club! I think 6 of thr bottom 8 sides in premiership have just broken there transfer record ! Forest Qpr and Leicester are spending ... The pendulum will swing our way IF SOMETHING IS DONE ABOUT OVER SPENDING, that's a big if![/p][/quote]Good call Mark. Gordongull said on here yesterday that come the close season there will be a glut of players available from clubs desperate to reduce their wage bill in order to comply with FFP. With The Albion's prudent housekeeping we will be in poll position to pick and choose quality players and pay sensible wages. The agent leeches are going to be in for a torrid time. Confident of three points tomorrow saraman
  • Score: 4

12:20pm Fri 7 Feb 14

farside says...

Contrast OG's approach to that of his predecessor in similar circumstances
Contrast OG's approach to that of his predecessor in similar circumstances farside
  • Score: 13

12:35pm Fri 7 Feb 14

searich1983 says...

farside wrote:
Contrast OG's approach to that of his predecessor in similar circumstances
wait until he gets fed up with B&B and then remember what you just said!!
There is always 2 side of the story.
[quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: Contrast OG's approach to that of his predecessor in similar circumstances[/p][/quote]wait until he gets fed up with B&B and then remember what you just said!! There is always 2 side of the story. searich1983
  • Score: -13

12:43pm Fri 7 Feb 14

mikeygit says...

Good response by OG--I am confident he will be here a while. 3 points tomorrow with more than just one goal will do for me
Good response by OG--I am confident he will be here a while. 3 points tomorrow with more than just one goal will do for me mikeygit
  • Score: 6

12:51pm Fri 7 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

I don't think that Oscar is going to have much choice when it comes to playing both Rodders and Ulloa, he pretty much has to. We have heard the demand for our players to be more, 'clinical,' when taking our chances at goal, well they haven't been so now it's time for something else.
Including our cup match this run of four home matches could turn out to be the most important four matches of the season. Nine points up for grabs and a chunk of money, both of which are needed. It's great to hear that the board will back Oscar in the loan window but that backing has nothing to do with tomorrow, Oscar has got to use those he has available and use them in such a way as to, kick it up a notch.

Playing with one striker and one winger has not produced the goals and I can't see any reason to expect that to change. With Rodriguez able to play wide on either side of the park and being a player with genuine pace and an eye for goal, the option to play him on the right with Kaz on the left appeals to me. Ulloa needs good service and with Stephens in midfield one would hope that the service would come from all three directions, and all three also offer a goal scoring threat.
If Oscar is going to persist with just one striker, and I don't have a problem with that, then we have to create that threat from the right side of the park as well as from the left. Too often we only have one player in the 18 yard box, we fire shots in from distance, that aint working.
I don't think that Oscar is going to have much choice when it comes to playing both Rodders and Ulloa, he pretty much has to. We have heard the demand for our players to be more, 'clinical,' when taking our chances at goal, well they haven't been so now it's time for something else. Including our cup match this run of four home matches could turn out to be the most important four matches of the season. Nine points up for grabs and a chunk of money, both of which are needed. It's great to hear that the board will back Oscar in the loan window but that backing has nothing to do with tomorrow, Oscar has got to use those he has available and use them in such a way as to, kick it up a notch. Playing with one striker and one winger has not produced the goals and I can't see any reason to expect that to change. With Rodriguez able to play wide on either side of the park and being a player with genuine pace and an eye for goal, the option to play him on the right with Kaz on the left appeals to me. Ulloa needs good service and with Stephens in midfield one would hope that the service would come from all three directions, and all three also offer a goal scoring threat. If Oscar is going to persist with just one striker, and I don't have a problem with that, then we have to create that threat from the right side of the park as well as from the left. Too often we only have one player in the 18 yard box, we fire shots in from distance, that aint working. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 6

12:59pm Fri 7 Feb 14

The Phantom says...

To be fair to OG, he might not say a lot when he is interviewed but he always across as a decent guy. I do wish he would do more of the after match interviews as he should be the main voice piece of the club - Nathan does an o.k. job on this but would prefer to hear the thoughts of the main man. Need to crack into gear tomorrow otherwise it could be a dull end to the league season which would probably impact on season ticket sales for next season.
To be fair to OG, he might not say a lot when he is interviewed but he always across as a decent guy. I do wish he would do more of the after match interviews as he should be the main voice piece of the club - Nathan does an o.k. job on this but would prefer to hear the thoughts of the main man. Need to crack into gear tomorrow otherwise it could be a dull end to the league season which would probably impact on season ticket sales for next season. The Phantom
  • Score: 4

1:06pm Fri 7 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

searich1983 wrote:
farside wrote:
Contrast OG's approach to that of his predecessor in similar circumstances
wait until he gets fed up with B&B and then remember what you just said!!
There is always 2 side of the story.
Would the, 'get fed up,' point be when he asks the board to spend more money than we have, more than we are allowed to spend under the FFP rules, is that when he gets, 'fed up'?
Apart from the super rich clubs, all managers/head coaches, will have to rein in spending so all of them will hear the word, NO, more often than they have in the past. I think Oscar's pedigree suggest that he is more about tomorrow where as Poyet was all about today. One will groom and the other will buy, two different approaches but one trumped by the FFP rules.
[quote][p][bold]searich1983[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: Contrast OG's approach to that of his predecessor in similar circumstances[/p][/quote]wait until he gets fed up with B&B and then remember what you just said!! There is always 2 side of the story.[/p][/quote]Would the, 'get fed up,' point be when he asks the board to spend more money than we have, more than we are allowed to spend under the FFP rules, is that when he gets, 'fed up'? Apart from the super rich clubs, all managers/head coaches, will have to rein in spending so all of them will hear the word, NO, more often than they have in the past. I think Oscar's pedigree suggest that he is more about tomorrow where as Poyet was all about today. One will groom and the other will buy, two different approaches but one trumped by the FFP rules. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 12

1:14pm Fri 7 Feb 14

searich1983 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
searich1983 wrote:
farside wrote:
Contrast OG's approach to that of his predecessor in similar circumstances
wait until he gets fed up with B&B and then remember what you just said!!
There is always 2 side of the story.
Would the, 'get fed up,' point be when he asks the board to spend more money than we have, more than we are allowed to spend under the FFP rules, is that when he gets, 'fed up'?
Apart from the super rich clubs, all managers/head coaches, will have to rein in spending so all of them will hear the word, NO, more often than they have in the past. I think Oscar's pedigree suggest that he is more about tomorrow where as Poyet was all about today. One will groom and the other will buy, two different approaches but one trumped by the FFP rules.
Well done VEGAS very naive, we ll see in a couple of years when we still middle table in the Chap, playing long ball football and getting another increase in season tickets prices, maybe then you will start seeing the whole picture and not promises and promises from PB who would never come!!!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]searich1983[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: Contrast OG's approach to that of his predecessor in similar circumstances[/p][/quote]wait until he gets fed up with B&B and then remember what you just said!! There is always 2 side of the story.[/p][/quote]Would the, 'get fed up,' point be when he asks the board to spend more money than we have, more than we are allowed to spend under the FFP rules, is that when he gets, 'fed up'? Apart from the super rich clubs, all managers/head coaches, will have to rein in spending so all of them will hear the word, NO, more often than they have in the past. I think Oscar's pedigree suggest that he is more about tomorrow where as Poyet was all about today. One will groom and the other will buy, two different approaches but one trumped by the FFP rules.[/p][/quote]Well done VEGAS very naive, we ll see in a couple of years when we still middle table in the Chap, playing long ball football and getting another increase in season tickets prices, maybe then you will start seeing the whole picture and not promises and promises from PB who would never come!!! searich1983
  • Score: -12

1:17pm Fri 7 Feb 14

searich1983 says...

and remember, if the FFP is on and running then we will pay a fine for loses of more then 8M this year and 5M next, so we are not inside the rules yet what it means we will have to cut cost even more next season, maybe we would need to play the under 21. (and of course charge more for tickets and still promising Premier League football)
and remember, if the FFP is on and running then we will pay a fine for loses of more then 8M this year and 5M next, so we are not inside the rules yet what it means we will have to cut cost even more next season, maybe we would need to play the under 21. (and of course charge more for tickets and still promising Premier League football) searich1983
  • Score: -9

1:23pm Fri 7 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

searich1983 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
searich1983 wrote:
farside wrote:
Contrast OG's approach to that of his predecessor in similar circumstances
wait until he gets fed up with B&B and then remember what you just said!!
There is always 2 side of the story.
Would the, 'get fed up,' point be when he asks the board to spend more money than we have, more than we are allowed to spend under the FFP rules, is that when he gets, 'fed up'?
Apart from the super rich clubs, all managers/head coaches, will have to rein in spending so all of them will hear the word, NO, more often than they have in the past. I think Oscar's pedigree suggest that he is more about tomorrow where as Poyet was all about today. One will groom and the other will buy, two different approaches but one trumped by the FFP rules.
Well done VEGAS very naive, we ll see in a couple of years when we still middle table in the Chap, playing long ball football and getting another increase in season tickets prices, maybe then you will start seeing the whole picture and not promises and promises from PB who would never come!!!
I totally misunderstood what you meant in your initial comment, so you are thinking that Oscar will go in two years time due to the fact that the players he will have at that time, won't be good enough to play stylish football, more route one type crap. Under those circumstances then yes, I could see him wanting out.
I don't see things developing in the way you do, but if you are right, well you are right.
[quote][p][bold]searich1983[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]searich1983[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: Contrast OG's approach to that of his predecessor in similar circumstances[/p][/quote]wait until he gets fed up with B&B and then remember what you just said!! There is always 2 side of the story.[/p][/quote]Would the, 'get fed up,' point be when he asks the board to spend more money than we have, more than we are allowed to spend under the FFP rules, is that when he gets, 'fed up'? Apart from the super rich clubs, all managers/head coaches, will have to rein in spending so all of them will hear the word, NO, more often than they have in the past. I think Oscar's pedigree suggest that he is more about tomorrow where as Poyet was all about today. One will groom and the other will buy, two different approaches but one trumped by the FFP rules.[/p][/quote]Well done VEGAS very naive, we ll see in a couple of years when we still middle table in the Chap, playing long ball football and getting another increase in season tickets prices, maybe then you will start seeing the whole picture and not promises and promises from PB who would never come!!![/p][/quote]I totally misunderstood what you meant in your initial comment, so you are thinking that Oscar will go in two years time due to the fact that the players he will have at that time, won't be good enough to play stylish football, more route one type crap. Under those circumstances then yes, I could see him wanting out. I don't see things developing in the way you do, but if you are right, well you are right. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

1:26pm Fri 7 Feb 14

fairweathersupporter says...

Football as Greavsy would have it, is a 'funny old game'. The width of a post, the impaired vision of a dark clad official who self abuses, the roar of a crowd sucking the ball into the back of the net and many more perceptible and imperceptible forces and causations that are too many to mention. The injury thing and the sale of stalwarts has been done to death. The Gus Bus headed to the wastelands of the northeast and recently an envious eye is sometimes cast on a hero or villain whose exit was pure pantomime but whose management and coaching skills were evident to all but those prone to rose tinted nostalgia for the good old 4-4-2 and the tactically unaware. Needless to say i state this as an overall judgement, as opposed to some of the learning curves we occasionally had to swerve and an ego that was infinite...

The squad has survived a January transfer window that was reasonably predictable, possibly with the exception of El-Abd. The squad we have is (very) arguably better than that we had 12months ago. There are arguments to be had about the quality of the opposition with their bigger spending power but the proof is in the pudding and a pudding that is overloaded with fruit normally sinks and is somewhat soggy... But yes better ingredients etc,etc (there endeth the cookery class).
We are two points worse off than 12 months ago. But that was 12 months ago. It doesn't necessarily follow that we can emulate last seasons rush to the heady height of fourth place BUT there is nothing to stop us. I am still unconvinced with regards to OG's overall style of play. He is not as imposing as the previous incumbent but to all intent and purpose, our game is mighty similar to that of twelve months ago. We still have the same problems regarding the midfield being inventive and fit enough to support the striker over 90 minutes. Whilst all the talk is of how lucky we are to have maintained a challenge whilst being so unlucky with injuries, this has to be balanced by the emergence of able deputies and OG inheriting a squad (especially in defence) that is well drilled and able. His introduction of younger players was forced out of necessity and is not by his own design. He recognises the need for young players to develop and cannot always maintain the consistency at this level, of this i am grateful; despite the cries of many who would give the baby a gun. But now is surely the time for OG to shine like the Catalan sun from whence he came (or indeed the Israeli sun from whence he come). I want to see something tangible, i want to see his team play, i want to see his style burn through the wind and rain of these dark February days. I do not believe that Swansea or even Southsea would have much attraction to the man at the moment. I seriously doubt that Swansea would take such a risk in any case.

So talk no more of FFP and injuries. Talk no more of financial losses and Nathan's takeover bid. And talk no more of Barber evil, dark art ways. Man the ramparts (or terraces)! Take up your shirts and scarves and wield your voices to raise the roof of the Amex (should that be ceiling?); as we storm up the table to take our place at the table of the righteous on the shores of the promised land. And if after all our efforts it is not to be, please renew your season tickets and we'll do it all again next season....
Football as Greavsy would have it, is a 'funny old game'. The width of a post, the impaired vision of a dark clad official who self abuses, the roar of a crowd sucking the ball into the back of the net and many more perceptible and imperceptible forces and causations that are too many to mention. The injury thing and the sale of stalwarts has been done to death. The Gus Bus headed to the wastelands of the northeast and recently an envious eye is sometimes cast on a hero or villain whose exit was pure pantomime but whose management and coaching skills were evident to all but those prone to rose tinted nostalgia for the good old 4-4-2 and the tactically unaware. Needless to say i state this as an overall judgement, as opposed to some of the learning curves we occasionally had to swerve and an ego that was infinite... The squad has survived a January transfer window that was reasonably predictable, possibly with the exception of El-Abd. The squad we have is (very) arguably better than that we had 12months ago. There are arguments to be had about the quality of the opposition with their bigger spending power but the proof is in the pudding and a pudding that is overloaded with fruit normally sinks and is somewhat soggy... But yes better ingredients etc,etc (there endeth the cookery class). We are two points worse off than 12 months ago. But that was 12 months ago. It doesn't necessarily follow that we can emulate last seasons rush to the heady height of fourth place BUT there is nothing to stop us. I am still unconvinced with regards to OG's overall style of play. He is not as imposing as the previous incumbent but to all intent and purpose, our game is mighty similar to that of twelve months ago. We still have the same problems regarding the midfield being inventive and fit enough to support the striker over 90 minutes. Whilst all the talk is of how lucky we are to have maintained a challenge whilst being so unlucky with injuries, this has to be balanced by the emergence of able deputies and OG inheriting a squad (especially in defence) that is well drilled and able. His introduction of younger players was forced out of necessity and is not by his own design. He recognises the need for young players to develop and cannot always maintain the consistency at this level, of this i am grateful; despite the cries of many who would give the baby a gun. But now is surely the time for OG to shine like the Catalan sun from whence he came (or indeed the Israeli sun from whence he come). I want to see something tangible, i want to see his team play, i want to see his style burn through the wind and rain of these dark February days. I do not believe that Swansea or even Southsea would have much attraction to the man at the moment. I seriously doubt that Swansea would take such a risk in any case. So talk no more of FFP and injuries. Talk no more of financial losses and Nathan's takeover bid. And talk no more of Barber evil, dark art ways. Man the ramparts (or terraces)! Take up your shirts and scarves and wield your voices to raise the roof of the Amex (should that be ceiling?); as we storm up the table to take our place at the table of the righteous on the shores of the promised land. And if after all our efforts it is not to be, please renew your season tickets and we'll do it all again next season.... fairweathersupporter
  • Score: 28

1:33pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

The season ticket prices haven't really increased at all, and in real terms some of them are cheaper.
The season ticket prices haven't really increased at all, and in real terms some of them are cheaper. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 7

1:35pm Fri 7 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

searich1983 wrote:
and remember, if the FFP is on and running then we will pay a fine for loses of more then 8M this year and 5M next, so we are not inside the rules yet what it means we will have to cut cost even more next season, maybe we would need to play the under 21. (and of course charge more for tickets and still promising Premier League football)
Yep we will have to cut our losses next year, just as all the other clubs in our division will. The thing is Search1983, transfer fees will be lower and wage offers will be lower, the two areas that dominate when it comes to costs.
If we want to buy a player his price will have to be lower than pre FFP, if it isn't, then his club won't be able to sell him and they might need to so as to reduce their own debts figures.
Wage demands/offers will be lower, saving money demands that this happens and players that want a contract will have to accept that fact. The buying and selling of players will continue, it's just the costs that will change.
[quote][p][bold]searich1983[/bold] wrote: and remember, if the FFP is on and running then we will pay a fine for loses of more then 8M this year and 5M next, so we are not inside the rules yet what it means we will have to cut cost even more next season, maybe we would need to play the under 21. (and of course charge more for tickets and still promising Premier League football)[/p][/quote]Yep we will have to cut our losses next year, just as all the other clubs in our division will. The thing is Search1983, transfer fees will be lower and wage offers will be lower, the two areas that dominate when it comes to costs. If we want to buy a player his price will have to be lower than pre FFP, if it isn't, then his club won't be able to sell him and they might need to so as to reduce their own debts figures. Wage demands/offers will be lower, saving money demands that this happens and players that want a contract will have to accept that fact. The buying and selling of players will continue, it's just the costs that will change. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

1:42pm Fri 7 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

fairweathersupporter wrote:
Football as Greavsy would have it, is a 'funny old game'. The width of a post, the impaired vision of a dark clad official who self abuses, the roar of a crowd sucking the ball into the back of the net and many more perceptible and imperceptible forces and causations that are too many to mention. The injury thing and the sale of stalwarts has been done to death. The Gus Bus headed to the wastelands of the northeast and recently an envious eye is sometimes cast on a hero or villain whose exit was pure pantomime but whose management and coaching skills were evident to all but those prone to rose tinted nostalgia for the good old 4-4-2 and the tactically unaware. Needless to say i state this as an overall judgement, as opposed to some of the learning curves we occasionally had to swerve and an ego that was infinite...

The squad has survived a January transfer window that was reasonably predictable, possibly with the exception of El-Abd. The squad we have is (very) arguably better than that we had 12months ago. There are arguments to be had about the quality of the opposition with their bigger spending power but the proof is in the pudding and a pudding that is overloaded with fruit normally sinks and is somewhat soggy... But yes better ingredients etc,etc (there endeth the cookery class).
We are two points worse off than 12 months ago. But that was 12 months ago. It doesn't necessarily follow that we can emulate last seasons rush to the heady height of fourth place BUT there is nothing to stop us. I am still unconvinced with regards to OG's overall style of play. He is not as imposing as the previous incumbent but to all intent and purpose, our game is mighty similar to that of twelve months ago. We still have the same problems regarding the midfield being inventive and fit enough to support the striker over 90 minutes. Whilst all the talk is of how lucky we are to have maintained a challenge whilst being so unlucky with injuries, this has to be balanced by the emergence of able deputies and OG inheriting a squad (especially in defence) that is well drilled and able. His introduction of younger players was forced out of necessity and is not by his own design. He recognises the need for young players to develop and cannot always maintain the consistency at this level, of this i am grateful; despite the cries of many who would give the baby a gun. But now is surely the time for OG to shine like the Catalan sun from whence he came (or indeed the Israeli sun from whence he come). I want to see something tangible, i want to see his team play, i want to see his style burn through the wind and rain of these dark February days. I do not believe that Swansea or even Southsea would have much attraction to the man at the moment. I seriously doubt that Swansea would take such a risk in any case.

So talk no more of FFP and injuries. Talk no more of financial losses and Nathan's takeover bid. And talk no more of Barber evil, dark art ways. Man the ramparts (or terraces)! Take up your shirts and scarves and wield your voices to raise the roof of the Amex (should that be ceiling?); as we storm up the table to take our place at the table of the righteous on the shores of the promised land. And if after all our efforts it is not to be, please renew your season tickets and we'll do it all again next season....
What a great start to my day, the reading of words from a true scholar.

I thank you sir.
[quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: Football as Greavsy would have it, is a 'funny old game'. The width of a post, the impaired vision of a dark clad official who self abuses, the roar of a crowd sucking the ball into the back of the net and many more perceptible and imperceptible forces and causations that are too many to mention. The injury thing and the sale of stalwarts has been done to death. The Gus Bus headed to the wastelands of the northeast and recently an envious eye is sometimes cast on a hero or villain whose exit was pure pantomime but whose management and coaching skills were evident to all but those prone to rose tinted nostalgia for the good old 4-4-2 and the tactically unaware. Needless to say i state this as an overall judgement, as opposed to some of the learning curves we occasionally had to swerve and an ego that was infinite... The squad has survived a January transfer window that was reasonably predictable, possibly with the exception of El-Abd. The squad we have is (very) arguably better than that we had 12months ago. There are arguments to be had about the quality of the opposition with their bigger spending power but the proof is in the pudding and a pudding that is overloaded with fruit normally sinks and is somewhat soggy... But yes better ingredients etc,etc (there endeth the cookery class). We are two points worse off than 12 months ago. But that was 12 months ago. It doesn't necessarily follow that we can emulate last seasons rush to the heady height of fourth place BUT there is nothing to stop us. I am still unconvinced with regards to OG's overall style of play. He is not as imposing as the previous incumbent but to all intent and purpose, our game is mighty similar to that of twelve months ago. We still have the same problems regarding the midfield being inventive and fit enough to support the striker over 90 minutes. Whilst all the talk is of how lucky we are to have maintained a challenge whilst being so unlucky with injuries, this has to be balanced by the emergence of able deputies and OG inheriting a squad (especially in defence) that is well drilled and able. His introduction of younger players was forced out of necessity and is not by his own design. He recognises the need for young players to develop and cannot always maintain the consistency at this level, of this i am grateful; despite the cries of many who would give the baby a gun. But now is surely the time for OG to shine like the Catalan sun from whence he came (or indeed the Israeli sun from whence he come). I want to see something tangible, i want to see his team play, i want to see his style burn through the wind and rain of these dark February days. I do not believe that Swansea or even Southsea would have much attraction to the man at the moment. I seriously doubt that Swansea would take such a risk in any case. So talk no more of FFP and injuries. Talk no more of financial losses and Nathan's takeover bid. And talk no more of Barber evil, dark art ways. Man the ramparts (or terraces)! Take up your shirts and scarves and wield your voices to raise the roof of the Amex (should that be ceiling?); as we storm up the table to take our place at the table of the righteous on the shores of the promised land. And if after all our efforts it is not to be, please renew your season tickets and we'll do it all again next season....[/p][/quote]What a great start to my day, the reading of words from a true scholar. I thank you sir. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 9

1:45pm Fri 7 Feb 14

gilbertthecat says...

Fairweather, I think you forgot the bit about fighting them on the beaches ....... but good, uplifting rhetoric nonetheless.
Fairweather, I think you forgot the bit about fighting them on the beaches ....... but good, uplifting rhetoric nonetheless. gilbertthecat
  • Score: 9

1:50pm Fri 7 Feb 14

fratsomrover says...

pablobrowno wrote:
I still miss Nooney, my favourite Brighton player for years. The ball just stuck to his feet!! He is showing now he can cut it at top level. Love Buckley too but he needs to up his game and be more consistent.

Been a while, sadly, since we heard the chant of "we're f***ing brilliant" echoing around the stadium. Let's hope we can get back to that on saturday!
I echo your sentiments. He and Buckley were the only two players who would get me to my feet when they got the ball. I'm delighted to see him doing so well at Cardiff.
As for this headline, is it really a story stating that Oscar is focused on the next match. i wouldn't expect anything else.
[quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: I still miss Nooney, my favourite Brighton player for years. The ball just stuck to his feet!! He is showing now he can cut it at top level. Love Buckley too but he needs to up his game and be more consistent. Been a while, sadly, since we heard the chant of "we're f***ing brilliant" echoing around the stadium. Let's hope we can get back to that on saturday![/p][/quote]I echo your sentiments. He and Buckley were the only two players who would get me to my feet when they got the ball. I'm delighted to see him doing so well at Cardiff. As for this headline, is it really a story stating that Oscar is focused on the next match. i wouldn't expect anything else. fratsomrover
  • Score: 3

2:31pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Alfie T says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
fairweathersupporter wrote:
Football as Greavsy would have it, is a 'funny old game'. The width of a post, the impaired vision of a dark clad official who self abuses, the roar of a crowd sucking the ball into the back of the net and many more perceptible and imperceptible forces and causations that are too many to mention. The injury thing and the sale of stalwarts has been done to death. The Gus Bus headed to the wastelands of the northeast and recently an envious eye is sometimes cast on a hero or villain whose exit was pure pantomime but whose management and coaching skills were evident to all but those prone to rose tinted nostalgia for the good old 4-4-2 and the tactically unaware. Needless to say i state this as an overall judgement, as opposed to some of the learning curves we occasionally had to swerve and an ego that was infinite...

The squad has survived a January transfer window that was reasonably predictable, possibly with the exception of El-Abd. The squad we have is (very) arguably better than that we had 12months ago. There are arguments to be had about the quality of the opposition with their bigger spending power but the proof is in the pudding and a pudding that is overloaded with fruit normally sinks and is somewhat soggy... But yes better ingredients etc,etc (there endeth the cookery class).
We are two points worse off than 12 months ago. But that was 12 months ago. It doesn't necessarily follow that we can emulate last seasons rush to the heady height of fourth place BUT there is nothing to stop us. I am still unconvinced with regards to OG's overall style of play. He is not as imposing as the previous incumbent but to all intent and purpose, our game is mighty similar to that of twelve months ago. We still have the same problems regarding the midfield being inventive and fit enough to support the striker over 90 minutes. Whilst all the talk is of how lucky we are to have maintained a challenge whilst being so unlucky with injuries, this has to be balanced by the emergence of able deputies and OG inheriting a squad (especially in defence) that is well drilled and able. His introduction of younger players was forced out of necessity and is not by his own design. He recognises the need for young players to develop and cannot always maintain the consistency at this level, of this i am grateful; despite the cries of many who would give the baby a gun. But now is surely the time for OG to shine like the Catalan sun from whence he came (or indeed the Israeli sun from whence he come). I want to see something tangible, i want to see his team play, i want to see his style burn through the wind and rain of these dark February days. I do not believe that Swansea or even Southsea would have much attraction to the man at the moment. I seriously doubt that Swansea would take such a risk in any case.

So talk no more of FFP and injuries. Talk no more of financial losses and Nathan's takeover bid. And talk no more of Barber evil, dark art ways. Man the ramparts (or terraces)! Take up your shirts and scarves and wield your voices to raise the roof of the Amex (should that be ceiling?); as we storm up the table to take our place at the table of the righteous on the shores of the promised land. And if after all our efforts it is not to be, please renew your season tickets and we'll do it all again next season....
What a great start to my day, the reading of words from a true scholar.

I thank you sir.
The great Winny could not have put it better,bravo FWS.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: Football as Greavsy would have it, is a 'funny old game'. The width of a post, the impaired vision of a dark clad official who self abuses, the roar of a crowd sucking the ball into the back of the net and many more perceptible and imperceptible forces and causations that are too many to mention. The injury thing and the sale of stalwarts has been done to death. The Gus Bus headed to the wastelands of the northeast and recently an envious eye is sometimes cast on a hero or villain whose exit was pure pantomime but whose management and coaching skills were evident to all but those prone to rose tinted nostalgia for the good old 4-4-2 and the tactically unaware. Needless to say i state this as an overall judgement, as opposed to some of the learning curves we occasionally had to swerve and an ego that was infinite... The squad has survived a January transfer window that was reasonably predictable, possibly with the exception of El-Abd. The squad we have is (very) arguably better than that we had 12months ago. There are arguments to be had about the quality of the opposition with their bigger spending power but the proof is in the pudding and a pudding that is overloaded with fruit normally sinks and is somewhat soggy... But yes better ingredients etc,etc (there endeth the cookery class). We are two points worse off than 12 months ago. But that was 12 months ago. It doesn't necessarily follow that we can emulate last seasons rush to the heady height of fourth place BUT there is nothing to stop us. I am still unconvinced with regards to OG's overall style of play. He is not as imposing as the previous incumbent but to all intent and purpose, our game is mighty similar to that of twelve months ago. We still have the same problems regarding the midfield being inventive and fit enough to support the striker over 90 minutes. Whilst all the talk is of how lucky we are to have maintained a challenge whilst being so unlucky with injuries, this has to be balanced by the emergence of able deputies and OG inheriting a squad (especially in defence) that is well drilled and able. His introduction of younger players was forced out of necessity and is not by his own design. He recognises the need for young players to develop and cannot always maintain the consistency at this level, of this i am grateful; despite the cries of many who would give the baby a gun. But now is surely the time for OG to shine like the Catalan sun from whence he came (or indeed the Israeli sun from whence he come). I want to see something tangible, i want to see his team play, i want to see his style burn through the wind and rain of these dark February days. I do not believe that Swansea or even Southsea would have much attraction to the man at the moment. I seriously doubt that Swansea would take such a risk in any case. So talk no more of FFP and injuries. Talk no more of financial losses and Nathan's takeover bid. And talk no more of Barber evil, dark art ways. Man the ramparts (or terraces)! Take up your shirts and scarves and wield your voices to raise the roof of the Amex (should that be ceiling?); as we storm up the table to take our place at the table of the righteous on the shores of the promised land. And if after all our efforts it is not to be, please renew your season tickets and we'll do it all again next season....[/p][/quote]What a great start to my day, the reading of words from a true scholar. I thank you sir.[/p][/quote]The great Winny could not have put it better,bravo FWS. Alfie T
  • Score: 5

2:44pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Brighton Bill says...

Sorry Oscar but you have as much chance of going to Swansea as i have of winning the lottery,tomorrow v Donny show us you have some balls, let's have an attacking formation and stop all this defensive crap
Sorry Oscar but you have as much chance of going to Swansea as i have of winning the lottery,tomorrow v Donny show us you have some balls, let's have an attacking formation and stop all this defensive crap Brighton Bill
  • Score: -4

3:20pm Fri 7 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

Brighton Bill wrote:
Sorry Oscar but you have as much chance of going to Swansea as i have of winning the lottery,tomorrow v Donny show us you have some balls, let's have an attacking formation and stop all this defensive crap
As I understand it Swansea have named their interim manager thru to the end of the season, any talk of who might take over means nothing right now.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton Bill[/bold] wrote: Sorry Oscar but you have as much chance of going to Swansea as i have of winning the lottery,tomorrow v Donny show us you have some balls, let's have an attacking formation and stop all this defensive crap[/p][/quote]As I understand it Swansea have named their interim manager thru to the end of the season, any talk of who might take over means nothing right now. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

3:35pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Gee Jay says...

Agree with most on here, Oscar is not who Swansea will be looking for.

Players wages will be squeezed next year,and those moving clubs will have to face a wage drop. Those clubs who have not planned ahead and signed players on three or even four year deals will still have to pay the players' their contracted wages, leading to financial problems.
On another point, how many times has Kaz hit the bar or post this season Surely he is going to have a game where one of his 'screamers' is going to go in....hopefully tomorrow.
Agree with most on here, Oscar is not who Swansea will be looking for. Players wages will be squeezed next year,and those moving clubs will have to face a wage drop. Those clubs who have not planned ahead and signed players on three or even four year deals will still have to pay the players' their contracted wages, leading to financial problems. On another point, how many times has Kaz hit the bar or post this season Surely he is going to have a game where one of his 'screamers' is going to go in....hopefully tomorrow. Gee Jay
  • Score: 9

3:48pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Carlas mum says...

searich1983 wrote:
and remember, if the FFP is on and running then we will pay a fine for loses of more then 8M this year and 5M next, so we are not inside the rules yet what it means we will have to cut cost even more next season, maybe we would need to play the under 21. (and of course charge more for tickets and still promising Premier League football)
How do you know how much we will lose this year and next are you a clairvoyant? this season isn't over yet.
[quote][p][bold]searich1983[/bold] wrote: and remember, if the FFP is on and running then we will pay a fine for loses of more then 8M this year and 5M next, so we are not inside the rules yet what it means we will have to cut cost even more next season, maybe we would need to play the under 21. (and of course charge more for tickets and still promising Premier League football)[/p][/quote]How do you know how much we will lose this year and next are you a clairvoyant? this season isn't over yet. Carlas mum
  • Score: 4

3:57pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Brighton Bill says...

You do not need to be a brain surgeon to work out that the majority of teams are not working to the FFP Scheme, no action will be taken against them just a warning about their future.
You do not need to be a brain surgeon to work out that the majority of teams are not working to the FFP Scheme, no action will be taken against them just a warning about their future. Brighton Bill
  • Score: -4

4:43pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Brighton Bill wrote:
You do not need to be a brain surgeon to work out that the majority of teams are not working to the FFP Scheme, no action will be taken against them just a warning about their future.
You state "no action will be taken against them" as if it is fact, rather than opinion...?
[quote][p][bold]Brighton Bill[/bold] wrote: You do not need to be a brain surgeon to work out that the majority of teams are not working to the FFP Scheme, no action will be taken against them just a warning about their future.[/p][/quote]You state "no action will be taken against them" as if it is fact, rather than opinion...? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 5

4:53pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Chi Gull says...

Brilliant post from Fairweather.

Why is everyone so cynical about the FFP penalties? All the penalties have been agreed in advance by the Football League Chairmen. They are being and will be implemented if clubs break the rules. You can find the details on a number of websites - my personal recommendation would be the easy to understand version that appeared in 'When Saturday Comes'.

No doubt there will be some clever accountants trying to minimise the damage. We have been clever in trying to write off some costs last year - redundancies etc. Paul Barber has said we are on target to meet the FFP rules and I am sure OG is aware of that, and was aware of it when appointed. GP's problem was these constraints come in part way through his tenure and went back on what he believed he had been promised.

Lets just get behind the team and leave the money management to the 'suits'.
Brilliant post from Fairweather. Why is everyone so cynical about the FFP penalties? All the penalties have been agreed in advance by the Football League Chairmen. They are being and will be implemented if clubs break the rules. You can find the details on a number of websites - my personal recommendation would be the easy to understand version that appeared in 'When Saturday Comes'. No doubt there will be some clever accountants trying to minimise the damage. We have been clever in trying to write off some costs last year - redundancies etc. Paul Barber has said we are on target to meet the FFP rules and I am sure OG is aware of that, and was aware of it when appointed. GP's problem was these constraints come in part way through his tenure and went back on what he believed he had been promised. Lets just get behind the team and leave the money management to the 'suits'. Chi Gull
  • Score: 4

5:10pm Fri 7 Feb 14

To baldly go says...

fairweathersupporter wrote:
Football as Greavsy would have it, is a 'funny old game'. The width of a post, the impaired vision of a dark clad official who self abuses, the roar of a crowd sucking the ball into the back of the net and many more perceptible and imperceptible forces and causations that are too many to mention. The injury thing and the sale of stalwarts has been done to death. The Gus Bus headed to the wastelands of the northeast and recently an envious eye is sometimes cast on a hero or villain whose exit was pure pantomime but whose management and coaching skills were evident to all but those prone to rose tinted nostalgia for the good old 4-4-2 and the tactically unaware. Needless to say i state this as an overall judgement, as opposed to some of the learning curves we occasionally had to swerve and an ego that was infinite...

The squad has survived a January transfer window that was reasonably predictable, possibly with the exception of El-Abd. The squad we have is (very) arguably better than that we had 12months ago. There are arguments to be had about the quality of the opposition with their bigger spending power but the proof is in the pudding and a pudding that is overloaded with fruit normally sinks and is somewhat soggy... But yes better ingredients etc,etc (there endeth the cookery class).
We are two points worse off than 12 months ago. But that was 12 months ago. It doesn't necessarily follow that we can emulate last seasons rush to the heady height of fourth place BUT there is nothing to stop us. I am still unconvinced with regards to OG's overall style of play. He is not as imposing as the previous incumbent but to all intent and purpose, our game is mighty similar to that of twelve months ago. We still have the same problems regarding the midfield being inventive and fit enough to support the striker over 90 minutes. Whilst all the talk is of how lucky we are to have maintained a challenge whilst being so unlucky with injuries, this has to be balanced by the emergence of able deputies and OG inheriting a squad (especially in defence) that is well drilled and able. His introduction of younger players was forced out of necessity and is not by his own design. He recognises the need for young players to develop and cannot always maintain the consistency at this level, of this i am grateful; despite the cries of many who would give the baby a gun. But now is surely the time for OG to shine like the Catalan sun from whence he came (or indeed the Israeli sun from whence he come). I want to see something tangible, i want to see his team play, i want to see his style burn through the wind and rain of these dark February days. I do not believe that Swansea or even Southsea would have much attraction to the man at the moment. I seriously doubt that Swansea would take such a risk in any case.

So talk no more of FFP and injuries. Talk no more of financial losses and Nathan's takeover bid. And talk no more of Barber evil, dark art ways. Man the ramparts (or terraces)! Take up your shirts and scarves and wield your voices to raise the roof of the Amex (should that be ceiling?); as we storm up the table to take our place at the table of the righteous on the shores of the promised land. And if after all our efforts it is not to be, please renew your season tickets and we'll do it all again next season....
Are you Vegas in disguise?
Top post.
[quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: Football as Greavsy would have it, is a 'funny old game'. The width of a post, the impaired vision of a dark clad official who self abuses, the roar of a crowd sucking the ball into the back of the net and many more perceptible and imperceptible forces and causations that are too many to mention. The injury thing and the sale of stalwarts has been done to death. The Gus Bus headed to the wastelands of the northeast and recently an envious eye is sometimes cast on a hero or villain whose exit was pure pantomime but whose management and coaching skills were evident to all but those prone to rose tinted nostalgia for the good old 4-4-2 and the tactically unaware. Needless to say i state this as an overall judgement, as opposed to some of the learning curves we occasionally had to swerve and an ego that was infinite... The squad has survived a January transfer window that was reasonably predictable, possibly with the exception of El-Abd. The squad we have is (very) arguably better than that we had 12months ago. There are arguments to be had about the quality of the opposition with their bigger spending power but the proof is in the pudding and a pudding that is overloaded with fruit normally sinks and is somewhat soggy... But yes better ingredients etc,etc (there endeth the cookery class). We are two points worse off than 12 months ago. But that was 12 months ago. It doesn't necessarily follow that we can emulate last seasons rush to the heady height of fourth place BUT there is nothing to stop us. I am still unconvinced with regards to OG's overall style of play. He is not as imposing as the previous incumbent but to all intent and purpose, our game is mighty similar to that of twelve months ago. We still have the same problems regarding the midfield being inventive and fit enough to support the striker over 90 minutes. Whilst all the talk is of how lucky we are to have maintained a challenge whilst being so unlucky with injuries, this has to be balanced by the emergence of able deputies and OG inheriting a squad (especially in defence) that is well drilled and able. His introduction of younger players was forced out of necessity and is not by his own design. He recognises the need for young players to develop and cannot always maintain the consistency at this level, of this i am grateful; despite the cries of many who would give the baby a gun. But now is surely the time for OG to shine like the Catalan sun from whence he came (or indeed the Israeli sun from whence he come). I want to see something tangible, i want to see his team play, i want to see his style burn through the wind and rain of these dark February days. I do not believe that Swansea or even Southsea would have much attraction to the man at the moment. I seriously doubt that Swansea would take such a risk in any case. So talk no more of FFP and injuries. Talk no more of financial losses and Nathan's takeover bid. And talk no more of Barber evil, dark art ways. Man the ramparts (or terraces)! Take up your shirts and scarves and wield your voices to raise the roof of the Amex (should that be ceiling?); as we storm up the table to take our place at the table of the righteous on the shores of the promised land. And if after all our efforts it is not to be, please renew your season tickets and we'll do it all again next season....[/p][/quote]Are you Vegas in disguise? Top post. To baldly go
  • Score: 6

5:15pm Fri 7 Feb 14

gordongull says...

Confusion and mis-information seem to prevail where FFP is concerned.
I have found a site where FFP is explained concisely, and if you scroll down a bit, there is a graphic showing how it will effect the Championship.

http://www.financial
fairplay.co.uk/finan
cial-fair-play-expla
ined.php

FFP needs to be taken on board by every club for it to work.
Are the penalties adequate?
Decide for yourselves.
Confusion and mis-information seem to prevail where FFP is concerned. I have found a site where FFP is explained concisely, and if you scroll down a bit, there is a graphic showing how it will effect the Championship. http://www.financial fairplay.co.uk/finan cial-fair-play-expla ined.php FFP needs to be taken on board by every club for it to work. Are the penalties adequate? Decide for yourselves. gordongull
  • Score: 4

5:20pm Fri 7 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

I think the posted losses for last year certainly had an influence in why we missed out on a couple of signings, Conway being one, and maybe the lad that went to Millwall.
We have a lot of players whose contracts will come up for renewal come this summer, and we have to cut costs. These players might have to face either standing still in terms of wages, or possibly even taking a cut in pay. Potential new signings in the last window were probably offered wages and length of contract that reflect what the wage structure will be next year, and that might be why they said no thanks.

I could be totally wrong on this but, it seems to me that the club might welcome a certain number of players not to renew their contracts, in fact we won't offer them a new deal, those that are on the higher end of our current wage policy. With the FFP rules starting to kick in some of our players could be replaced with equally as good, and possibly better, players but at a lower rate of pay.
I think the posted losses for last year certainly had an influence in why we missed out on a couple of signings, Conway being one, and maybe the lad that went to Millwall. We have a lot of players whose contracts will come up for renewal come this summer, and we have to cut costs. These players might have to face either standing still in terms of wages, or possibly even taking a cut in pay. Potential new signings in the last window were probably offered wages and length of contract that reflect what the wage structure will be next year, and that might be why they said no thanks. I could be totally wrong on this but, it seems to me that the club might welcome a certain number of players not to renew their contracts, in fact we won't offer them a new deal, those that are on the higher end of our current wage policy. With the FFP rules starting to kick in some of our players could be replaced with equally as good, and possibly better, players but at a lower rate of pay. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 6

5:36pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Falmer Wizard says...

Oscar feels we will be promoted because thats where the club want to be, if only that is all you need.
Oscar feels we will be promoted because thats where the club want to be, if only that is all you need. Falmer Wizard
  • Score: -3

6:05pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

gordongull wrote:
Confusion and mis-information seem to prevail where FFP is concerned.
I have found a site where FFP is explained concisely, and if you scroll down a bit, there is a graphic showing how it will effect the Championship.

http://www.financial

fairplay.co.uk/finan

cial-fair-play-expla

ined.php

FFP needs to be taken on board by every club for it to work.
Are the penalties adequate?
Decide for yourselves.
Cheers, that seems fairly unambiguous. There certainly doesn't appear to be the wriggle room many on here feel will allow easy flouting of the rules.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Confusion and mis-information seem to prevail where FFP is concerned. I have found a site where FFP is explained concisely, and if you scroll down a bit, there is a graphic showing how it will effect the Championship. http://www.financial fairplay.co.uk/finan cial-fair-play-expla ined.php FFP needs to be taken on board by every club for it to work. Are the penalties adequate? Decide for yourselves.[/p][/quote]Cheers, that seems fairly unambiguous. There certainly doesn't appear to be the wriggle room many on here feel will allow easy flouting of the rules. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

6:42pm Fri 7 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

If you think about it there are very good reasons why the governing body, 'has,' to enforce the sanctions against those that flout the rules. There are people that once had a job with our club that were let go as part of cost cutting measures carried out as part of our compliance efforts. If the FA does not enforce the rules it might be that those that lost their jobs could file a joint action law suit. Had it not been for the existence of the FFP rules, and more importantly, the stated punishments that go with them, these people might well have kept their jobs.
Not one of the club chairmen that signed up to this deal did so on what, 'might happen,' they signed up for what the truly accepted, 'would,' happen. Brighton, as a business, are currently acting under restricted practices due to the FFP rules, we are not spending to strengthen our chances of promotion directly because of the FFP rules, but that might be something we actually want to do. It might be possible that the club chairmen could file suit if the FA fail to implement the sanctions in full.
If you think about it there are very good reasons why the governing body, 'has,' to enforce the sanctions against those that flout the rules. There are people that once had a job with our club that were let go as part of cost cutting measures carried out as part of our compliance efforts. If the FA does not enforce the rules it might be that those that lost their jobs could file a joint action law suit. Had it not been for the existence of the FFP rules, and more importantly, the stated punishments that go with them, these people might well have kept their jobs. Not one of the club chairmen that signed up to this deal did so on what, 'might happen,' they signed up for what the truly accepted, 'would,' happen. Brighton, as a business, are currently acting under restricted practices due to the FFP rules, we are not spending to strengthen our chances of promotion directly because of the FFP rules, but that might be something we actually want to do. It might be possible that the club chairmen could file suit if the FA fail to implement the sanctions in full. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

6:51pm Fri 7 Feb 14

searich1983 says...

fratsomrover wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
I still miss Nooney, my favourite Brighton player for years. The ball just stuck to his feet!! He is showing now he can cut it at top level. Love Buckley too but he needs to up his game and be more consistent.

Been a while, sadly, since we heard the chant of "we're f***ing brilliant" echoing around the stadium. Let's hope we can get back to that on saturday!
I echo your sentiments. He and Buckley were the only two players who would get me to my feet when they got the ball. I'm delighted to see him doing so well at Cardiff.
As for this headline, is it really a story stating that Oscar is focused on the next match. i wouldn't expect anything else.
There would not be F*****ing brilliant for a while fratsomrover, but thanks for remind me of those days, they look so far ago that is scary.
Remember Peterborough and Charlton away, what 2 days, OMG, proper football and recognised in the whole country. Now we only talk about FFP, and loans, incredible
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: I still miss Nooney, my favourite Brighton player for years. The ball just stuck to his feet!! He is showing now he can cut it at top level. Love Buckley too but he needs to up his game and be more consistent. Been a while, sadly, since we heard the chant of "we're f***ing brilliant" echoing around the stadium. Let's hope we can get back to that on saturday![/p][/quote]I echo your sentiments. He and Buckley were the only two players who would get me to my feet when they got the ball. I'm delighted to see him doing so well at Cardiff. As for this headline, is it really a story stating that Oscar is focused on the next match. i wouldn't expect anything else.[/p][/quote]There would not be F*****ing brilliant for a while fratsomrover, but thanks for remind me of those days, they look so far ago that is scary. Remember Peterborough and Charlton away, what 2 days, OMG, proper football and recognised in the whole country. Now we only talk about FFP, and loans, incredible searich1983
  • Score: 0

7:10pm Fri 7 Feb 14

gordongull says...

I'll quote you without 'quoting' you, Fairweather, as I'm not sure how much room The Argus has got.

Firstly, I'd like to challenge you to roar while sucking in air.

My second point is that the squad of 12 months ago contained Wayne Bridge and Vicente, along with our recent departures from the club, so the current group of players arguably better? I don't think so. Maybe more capable of sustaining a challenge than the squad of 24 months ago, - (lone striker/lamentable lack of service/lowest number of goals scored) nostalgia isn't what it used to be,.........is it?

You appear diplomatically neutral re: Gus v Oscar.
Gus is a major figure in B&HA's recent successful history. This makes him a valid subject for discussion, so ignore those siren voices urging us to ''forget about Gus, and move on''. Hand on heart - if you had a choice of two managers, Gus or Oscar to, take us to the Prem with our current players starting Saturday, which one would you go with?

You say '' I am still unconvinced with regards to OG's overall style of play''.
Again very diplomatic.
Is it possible that Oscar's quote about being ''obsessed to attack'', lost something in the translation? But top 10 after the pre-season and all the injuries is looking reasonable.

''Nathan's takeover bid'', - That was quality!

A rousing call to scarves as a finale, but ''table of the righteous''?
Could that be the Premier League?
I'll quote you without 'quoting' you, Fairweather, as I'm not sure how much room The Argus has got. Firstly, I'd like to challenge you to roar while sucking in air. My second point is that the squad of 12 months ago contained Wayne Bridge and Vicente, along with our recent departures from the club, so the current group of players arguably better? I don't think so. Maybe more capable of sustaining a challenge than the squad of 24 months ago, - (lone striker/lamentable lack of service/lowest number of goals scored) nostalgia isn't what it used to be,.........is it? You appear diplomatically neutral re: Gus v Oscar. Gus is a major figure in B&HA's recent successful history. This makes him a valid subject for discussion, so ignore those siren voices urging us to ''forget about Gus, and move on''. Hand on heart - if you had a choice of two managers, Gus or Oscar to, take us to the Prem with our current players starting Saturday, which one would you go with? You say '' I am still unconvinced with regards to OG's overall style of play''. Again very diplomatic. Is it possible that Oscar's quote about being ''obsessed to attack'', lost something in the translation? But top 10 after the pre-season and all the injuries is looking reasonable. ''Nathan's takeover bid'', - That was quality! A rousing call to scarves as a finale, but ''table of the righteous''? Could that be the Premier League? gordongull
  • Score: 1

7:47pm Fri 7 Feb 14

fairweathersupporter says...

gordongull wrote:
I'll quote you without 'quoting' you, Fairweather, as I'm not sure how much room The Argus has got.

Firstly, I'd like to challenge you to roar while sucking in air.

My second point is that the squad of 12 months ago contained Wayne Bridge and Vicente, along with our recent departures from the club, so the current group of players arguably better? I don't think so. Maybe more capable of sustaining a challenge than the squad of 24 months ago, - (lone striker/lamentable lack of service/lowest number of goals scored) nostalgia isn't what it used to be,.........is it?

You appear diplomatically neutral re: Gus v Oscar.
Gus is a major figure in B&HA's recent successful history. This makes him a valid subject for discussion, so ignore those siren voices urging us to ''forget about Gus, and move on''. Hand on heart - if you had a choice of two managers, Gus or Oscar to, take us to the Prem with our current players starting Saturday, which one would you go with?

You say '' I am still unconvinced with regards to OG's overall style of play''.
Again very diplomatic.
Is it possible that Oscar's quote about being ''obsessed to attack'', lost something in the translation? But top 10 after the pre-season and all the injuries is looking reasonable.

''Nathan's takeover bid'', - That was quality!

A rousing call to scarves as a finale, but ''table of the righteous''?
Could that be the Premier League?
Gordon,
i'll quote you coz i'm nice like that and your post is considerably shorter.

The sucking is a mental mind trick. not achieved by roaring. 'The crowd seemed to suck the ball into the net'. I do know a young lady that can achieve what you ask though. And to keep things diplomatic, a young man as well. The young being over the age of consent i should stress.

Bridge was excellent but Ward is not a bad replacement. Vicente was an expensive sideshow that kept breaking down and is not exactly missed (yes that run against Derby was out of this world...). i think we agree on the rest re the squad and overall it IS better than last year.

Gus was class and i am only diplomatic in that his demise took the shine off his almost glittering achievement. I think i've said i am not convinced about OG. This is perhaps where we will see what he's about. But if i had the choice? Well i haven't and i understand some of the less 'diplomatic' fans whose passions are betrayed by the nature of his departure.

As for the rest, i know you know sarcasm when you see it. The party at the top of the footballing world, as they'd have us believe; is as much a poisoned chalice, as the holy grail. But you'd like to think that we'd bring something good to the party, something worthwhile, something different, something Brighton.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: I'll quote you without 'quoting' you, Fairweather, as I'm not sure how much room The Argus has got. Firstly, I'd like to challenge you to roar while sucking in air. My second point is that the squad of 12 months ago contained Wayne Bridge and Vicente, along with our recent departures from the club, so the current group of players arguably better? I don't think so. Maybe more capable of sustaining a challenge than the squad of 24 months ago, - (lone striker/lamentable lack of service/lowest number of goals scored) nostalgia isn't what it used to be,.........is it? You appear diplomatically neutral re: Gus v Oscar. Gus is a major figure in B&HA's recent successful history. This makes him a valid subject for discussion, so ignore those siren voices urging us to ''forget about Gus, and move on''. Hand on heart - if you had a choice of two managers, Gus or Oscar to, take us to the Prem with our current players starting Saturday, which one would you go with? You say '' I am still unconvinced with regards to OG's overall style of play''. Again very diplomatic. Is it possible that Oscar's quote about being ''obsessed to attack'', lost something in the translation? But top 10 after the pre-season and all the injuries is looking reasonable. ''Nathan's takeover bid'', - That was quality! A rousing call to scarves as a finale, but ''table of the righteous''? Could that be the Premier League?[/p][/quote]Gordon, i'll quote you coz i'm nice like that and your post is considerably shorter. The sucking is a mental mind trick. not achieved by roaring. 'The crowd seemed to suck the ball into the net'. I do know a young lady that can achieve what you ask though. And to keep things diplomatic, a young man as well. The young being over the age of consent i should stress. Bridge was excellent but Ward is not a bad replacement. Vicente was an expensive sideshow that kept breaking down and is not exactly missed (yes that run against Derby was out of this world...). i think we agree on the rest re the squad and overall it IS better than last year. Gus was class and i am only diplomatic in that his demise took the shine off his almost glittering achievement. I think i've said i am not convinced about OG. This is perhaps where we will see what he's about. But if i had the choice? Well i haven't and i understand some of the less 'diplomatic' fans whose passions are betrayed by the nature of his departure. As for the rest, i know you know sarcasm when you see it. The party at the top of the footballing world, as they'd have us believe; is as much a poisoned chalice, as the holy grail. But you'd like to think that we'd bring something good to the party, something worthwhile, something different, something Brighton. fairweathersupporter
  • Score: 1

8:09pm Fri 7 Feb 14

gordongull says...

Too much information, Fairweather!
Too much information, Fairweather! gordongull
  • Score: -1

8:33pm Fri 7 Feb 14

fairweathersupporter says...

gordongull wrote:
Too much information, Fairweather!
Always... If you've got a point make sure it's understood. Better to have three though, as we will tomorrow. Night, night.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Too much information, Fairweather![/p][/quote]Always... If you've got a point make sure it's understood. Better to have three though, as we will tomorrow. Night, night. fairweathersupporter
  • Score: 0

8:58pm Fri 7 Feb 14

gordongull says...

fairweathersupporter wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Too much information, Fairweather!
Always... If you've got a point make sure it's understood. Better to have three though, as we will tomorrow. Night, night.
I was referring to the first paragraph.
A point I should have done more to ensure was understood :-)
I hope the players have read your post.
They need something to inspire them after recent events!
[quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Too much information, Fairweather![/p][/quote]Always... If you've got a point make sure it's understood. Better to have three though, as we will tomorrow. Night, night.[/p][/quote]I was referring to the first paragraph. A point I should have done more to ensure was understood :-) I hope the players have read your post. They need something to inspire them after recent events! gordongull
  • Score: 2

9:37pm Fri 7 Feb 14

OldGull says...

searich1983 wrote:
farside wrote:
Contrast OG's approach to that of his predecessor in similar circumstances
wait until he gets fed up with B&B and then remember what you just said!!
There is always 2 side of the story.
only ever one side to your story, a negative one
[quote][p][bold]searich1983[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: Contrast OG's approach to that of his predecessor in similar circumstances[/p][/quote]wait until he gets fed up with B&B and then remember what you just said!! There is always 2 side of the story.[/p][/quote]only ever one side to your story, a negative one OldGull
  • Score: 1

10:15pm Fri 7 Feb 14

searich1983 says...

OldGull wrote:
searich1983 wrote:
farside wrote:
Contrast OG's approach to that of his predecessor in similar circumstances
wait until he gets fed up with B&B and then remember what you just said!!
There is always 2 side of the story.
only ever one side to your story, a negative one
I prefer my realistic "negative" one that yours "over positive and very naive one" OldGull
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]searich1983[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: Contrast OG's approach to that of his predecessor in similar circumstances[/p][/quote]wait until he gets fed up with B&B and then remember what you just said!! There is always 2 side of the story.[/p][/quote]only ever one side to your story, a negative one[/p][/quote]I prefer my realistic "negative" one that yours "over positive and very naive one" OldGull searich1983
  • Score: 1

10:27pm Fri 7 Feb 14

searich1983 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I think the posted losses for last year certainly had an influence in why we missed out on a couple of signings, Conway being one, and maybe the lad that went to Millwall.
We have a lot of players whose contracts will come up for renewal come this summer, and we have to cut costs. These players might have to face either standing still in terms of wages, or possibly even taking a cut in pay. Potential new signings in the last window were probably offered wages and length of contract that reflect what the wage structure will be next year, and that might be why they said no thanks.

I could be totally wrong on this but, it seems to me that the club might welcome a certain number of players not to renew their contracts, in fact we won't offer them a new deal, those that are on the higher end of our current wage policy. With the FFP rules starting to kick in some of our players could be replaced with equally as good, and possibly better, players but at a lower rate of pay.
Can you please VegasSeagull explain to all of us how you will "replace our players with equally as good, and possibly better players but at a lower rate of pay".
In which world do you live? in this planet equally good or better = same or normally more expensive ones. EASY AND COMMON SENSE!!!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I think the posted losses for last year certainly had an influence in why we missed out on a couple of signings, Conway being one, and maybe the lad that went to Millwall. We have a lot of players whose contracts will come up for renewal come this summer, and we have to cut costs. These players might have to face either standing still in terms of wages, or possibly even taking a cut in pay. Potential new signings in the last window were probably offered wages and length of contract that reflect what the wage structure will be next year, and that might be why they said no thanks. I could be totally wrong on this but, it seems to me that the club might welcome a certain number of players not to renew their contracts, in fact we won't offer them a new deal, those that are on the higher end of our current wage policy. With the FFP rules starting to kick in some of our players could be replaced with equally as good, and possibly better, players but at a lower rate of pay.[/p][/quote]Can you please VegasSeagull explain to all of us how you will "replace our players with equally as good, and possibly better players but at a lower rate of pay". In which world do you live? in this planet equally good or better = same or normally more expensive ones. EASY AND COMMON SENSE!!! searich1983
  • Score: 1

10:59pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Chi Gull says...

At our level its as much about the way the team plays and the balance of the side as it is about individual quality and how much you pay players. Of course money is a factor, and with our support we will always have a competitive playing budget in this league, even without parachute payments, but there will always be teams with more money. That doesn't mean we are doomed never to get promotion. We ran away with the League 1 title when other teams had bigger budgets. Finding a balanced team this year has not been easy with the upheaval in the summer, the injuries and transfers. We have a few players who are getting on a bit. So when Vegas says replace them with better players, I suspect he means younger players with promise who may well turn out to be better than one or two we get rid of. We all know you pay less for an unproven player and we have had the likes of Bennet, Noone, Bridcutt as proof.
At our level its as much about the way the team plays and the balance of the side as it is about individual quality and how much you pay players. Of course money is a factor, and with our support we will always have a competitive playing budget in this league, even without parachute payments, but there will always be teams with more money. That doesn't mean we are doomed never to get promotion. We ran away with the League 1 title when other teams had bigger budgets. Finding a balanced team this year has not been easy with the upheaval in the summer, the injuries and transfers. We have a few players who are getting on a bit. So when Vegas says replace them with better players, I suspect he means younger players with promise who may well turn out to be better than one or two we get rid of. We all know you pay less for an unproven player and we have had the likes of Bennet, Noone, Bridcutt as proof. Chi Gull
  • Score: 2

11:41pm Fri 7 Feb 14

gordongull says...

Chi Gull wrote:
At our level its as much about the way the team plays and the balance of the side as it is about individual quality and how much you pay players. Of course money is a factor, and with our support we will always have a competitive playing budget in this league, even without parachute payments, but there will always be teams with more money. That doesn't mean we are doomed never to get promotion. We ran away with the League 1 title when other teams had bigger budgets. Finding a balanced team this year has not been easy with the upheaval in the summer, the injuries and transfers. We have a few players who are getting on a bit. So when Vegas says replace them with better players, I suspect he means younger players with promise who may well turn out to be better than one or two we get rid of. We all know you pay less for an unproven player and we have had the likes of Bennet, Noone, Bridcutt as proof.
I unintentionally repeated most of your earlier post Chi Gull. I was no doubt viewing the ffp site while you were submitting your post.

When you consider that we top the attendance league for our division, and charge the highest prices, In future the only clubs with more money should be those receiving parachute payments.
It is worth noting that many of the relegated sides in recent years have struggled to make an impact in the Championship.
I think what Vegas is saying is that, like me, he is anticipating that players on high earnings but at the end of their contract will not be offered the same terms. These players will look for a new club, but will find that no-one else can afford them either without going into debt.
In fact all the other clubs will be either off-loading high earners or offering reduced deals.
In such a player market it should be possible to acquire players as good or better for less money.
(correct me if I'm wrong Vegas)
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: At our level its as much about the way the team plays and the balance of the side as it is about individual quality and how much you pay players. Of course money is a factor, and with our support we will always have a competitive playing budget in this league, even without parachute payments, but there will always be teams with more money. That doesn't mean we are doomed never to get promotion. We ran away with the League 1 title when other teams had bigger budgets. Finding a balanced team this year has not been easy with the upheaval in the summer, the injuries and transfers. We have a few players who are getting on a bit. So when Vegas says replace them with better players, I suspect he means younger players with promise who may well turn out to be better than one or two we get rid of. We all know you pay less for an unproven player and we have had the likes of Bennet, Noone, Bridcutt as proof.[/p][/quote]I unintentionally repeated most of your earlier post Chi Gull. I was no doubt viewing the ffp site while you were submitting your post. When you consider that we top the attendance league for our division, and charge the highest prices, In future the only clubs with more money should be those receiving parachute payments. It is worth noting that many of the relegated sides in recent years have struggled to make an impact in the Championship. I think what Vegas is saying is that, like me, he is anticipating that players on high earnings but at the end of their contract will not be offered the same terms. These players will look for a new club, but will find that no-one else can afford them either without going into debt. In fact all the other clubs will be either off-loading high earners or offering reduced deals. In such a player market it should be possible to acquire players as good or better for less money. (correct me if I'm wrong Vegas) gordongull
  • Score: 1

8:29am Sat 8 Feb 14

searich1983 says...

gordongull wrote:
Chi Gull wrote:
At our level its as much about the way the team plays and the balance of the side as it is about individual quality and how much you pay players. Of course money is a factor, and with our support we will always have a competitive playing budget in this league, even without parachute payments, but there will always be teams with more money. That doesn't mean we are doomed never to get promotion. We ran away with the League 1 title when other teams had bigger budgets. Finding a balanced team this year has not been easy with the upheaval in the summer, the injuries and transfers. We have a few players who are getting on a bit. So when Vegas says replace them with better players, I suspect he means younger players with promise who may well turn out to be better than one or two we get rid of. We all know you pay less for an unproven player and we have had the likes of Bennet, Noone, Bridcutt as proof.
I unintentionally repeated most of your earlier post Chi Gull. I was no doubt viewing the ffp site while you were submitting your post.

When you consider that we top the attendance league for our division, and charge the highest prices, In future the only clubs with more money should be those receiving parachute payments.
It is worth noting that many of the relegated sides in recent years have struggled to make an impact in the Championship.
I think what Vegas is saying is that, like me, he is anticipating that players on high earnings but at the end of their contract will not be offered the same terms. These players will look for a new club, but will find that no-one else can afford them either without going into debt.
In fact all the other clubs will be either off-loading high earners or offering reduced deals.
In such a player market it should be possible to acquire players as good or better for less money.
(correct me if I'm wrong Vegas)
Ok, sorry Vegas and Gordon, is just frustration of seeing something nice going away, we were getting better all the time and now it looks to me that we are starting again.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: At our level its as much about the way the team plays and the balance of the side as it is about individual quality and how much you pay players. Of course money is a factor, and with our support we will always have a competitive playing budget in this league, even without parachute payments, but there will always be teams with more money. That doesn't mean we are doomed never to get promotion. We ran away with the League 1 title when other teams had bigger budgets. Finding a balanced team this year has not been easy with the upheaval in the summer, the injuries and transfers. We have a few players who are getting on a bit. So when Vegas says replace them with better players, I suspect he means younger players with promise who may well turn out to be better than one or two we get rid of. We all know you pay less for an unproven player and we have had the likes of Bennet, Noone, Bridcutt as proof.[/p][/quote]I unintentionally repeated most of your earlier post Chi Gull. I was no doubt viewing the ffp site while you were submitting your post. When you consider that we top the attendance league for our division, and charge the highest prices, In future the only clubs with more money should be those receiving parachute payments. It is worth noting that many of the relegated sides in recent years have struggled to make an impact in the Championship. I think what Vegas is saying is that, like me, he is anticipating that players on high earnings but at the end of their contract will not be offered the same terms. These players will look for a new club, but will find that no-one else can afford them either without going into debt. In fact all the other clubs will be either off-loading high earners or offering reduced deals. In such a player market it should be possible to acquire players as good or better for less money. (correct me if I'm wrong Vegas)[/p][/quote]Ok, sorry Vegas and Gordon, is just frustration of seeing something nice going away, we were getting better all the time and now it looks to me that we are starting again. searich1983
  • Score: 0

11:44am Sat 8 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

fairweathersupporter wrote:
Football as Greavsy would have it, is a 'funny old game'. The width of a post, the impaired vision of a dark clad official who self abuses, the roar of a crowd sucking the ball into the back of the net and many more perceptible and imperceptible forces and causations that are too many to mention. The injury thing and the sale of stalwarts has been done to death. The Gus Bus headed to the wastelands of the northeast and recently an envious eye is sometimes cast on a hero or villain whose exit was pure pantomime but whose management and coaching skills were evident to all but those prone to rose tinted nostalgia for the good old 4-4-2 and the tactically unaware. Needless to say i state this as an overall judgement, as opposed to some of the learning curves we occasionally had to swerve and an ego that was infinite... The squad has survived a January transfer window that was reasonably predictable, possibly with the exception of El-Abd. The squad we have is (very) arguably better than that we had 12months ago. There are arguments to be had about the quality of the opposition with their bigger spending power but the proof is in the pudding and a pudding that is overloaded with fruit normally sinks and is somewhat soggy... But yes better ingredients etc,etc (there endeth the cookery class). We are two points worse off than 12 months ago. But that was 12 months ago. It doesn't necessarily follow that we can emulate last seasons rush to the heady height of fourth place BUT there is nothing to stop us. I am still unconvinced with regards to OG's overall style of play. He is not as imposing as the previous incumbent but to all intent and purpose, our game is mighty similar to that of twelve months ago. We still have the same problems regarding the midfield being inventive and fit enough to support the striker over 90 minutes. Whilst all the talk is of how lucky we are to have maintained a challenge whilst being so unlucky with injuries, this has to be balanced by the emergence of able deputies and OG inheriting a squad (especially in defence) that is well drilled and able. His introduction of younger players was forced out of necessity and is not by his own design. He recognises the need for young players to develop and cannot always maintain the consistency at this level, of this i am grateful; despite the cries of many who would give the baby a gun. But now is surely the time for OG to shine like the Catalan sun from whence he came (or indeed the Israeli sun from whence he come). I want to see something tangible, i want to see his team play, i want to see his style burn through the wind and rain of these dark February days. I do not believe that Swansea or even Southsea would have much attraction to the man at the moment. I seriously doubt that Swansea would take such a risk in any case. So talk no more of FFP and injuries. Talk no more of financial losses and Nathan's takeover bid. And talk no more of Barber evil, dark art ways. Man the ramparts (or terraces)! Take up your shirts and scarves and wield your voices to raise the roof of the Amex (should that be ceiling?); as we storm up the table to take our place at the table of the righteous on the shores of the promised land. And if after all our efforts it is not to be, please renew your season tickets and we'll do it all again next season....
Great stuff as always, Fairweather.

Appreciate the effort out in to 'pen' that and you always talk a good talk.

UTA!
[quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: Football as Greavsy would have it, is a 'funny old game'. The width of a post, the impaired vision of a dark clad official who self abuses, the roar of a crowd sucking the ball into the back of the net and many more perceptible and imperceptible forces and causations that are too many to mention. The injury thing and the sale of stalwarts has been done to death. The Gus Bus headed to the wastelands of the northeast and recently an envious eye is sometimes cast on a hero or villain whose exit was pure pantomime but whose management and coaching skills were evident to all but those prone to rose tinted nostalgia for the good old 4-4-2 and the tactically unaware. Needless to say i state this as an overall judgement, as opposed to some of the learning curves we occasionally had to swerve and an ego that was infinite... The squad has survived a January transfer window that was reasonably predictable, possibly with the exception of El-Abd. The squad we have is (very) arguably better than that we had 12months ago. There are arguments to be had about the quality of the opposition with their bigger spending power but the proof is in the pudding and a pudding that is overloaded with fruit normally sinks and is somewhat soggy... But yes better ingredients etc,etc (there endeth the cookery class). We are two points worse off than 12 months ago. But that was 12 months ago. It doesn't necessarily follow that we can emulate last seasons rush to the heady height of fourth place BUT there is nothing to stop us. I am still unconvinced with regards to OG's overall style of play. He is not as imposing as the previous incumbent but to all intent and purpose, our game is mighty similar to that of twelve months ago. We still have the same problems regarding the midfield being inventive and fit enough to support the striker over 90 minutes. Whilst all the talk is of how lucky we are to have maintained a challenge whilst being so unlucky with injuries, this has to be balanced by the emergence of able deputies and OG inheriting a squad (especially in defence) that is well drilled and able. His introduction of younger players was forced out of necessity and is not by his own design. He recognises the need for young players to develop and cannot always maintain the consistency at this level, of this i am grateful; despite the cries of many who would give the baby a gun. But now is surely the time for OG to shine like the Catalan sun from whence he came (or indeed the Israeli sun from whence he come). I want to see something tangible, i want to see his team play, i want to see his style burn through the wind and rain of these dark February days. I do not believe that Swansea or even Southsea would have much attraction to the man at the moment. I seriously doubt that Swansea would take such a risk in any case. So talk no more of FFP and injuries. Talk no more of financial losses and Nathan's takeover bid. And talk no more of Barber evil, dark art ways. Man the ramparts (or terraces)! Take up your shirts and scarves and wield your voices to raise the roof of the Amex (should that be ceiling?); as we storm up the table to take our place at the table of the righteous on the shores of the promised land. And if after all our efforts it is not to be, please renew your season tickets and we'll do it all again next season....[/p][/quote]Great stuff as always, Fairweather. Appreciate the effort out in to 'pen' that and you always talk a good talk. UTA! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

11:51am Sat 8 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

Gee Jay wrote:
Agree with most on here, Oscar is not who Swansea will be looking for. Players wages will be squeezed next year,and those moving clubs will have to face a wage drop. Those clubs who have not planned ahead and signed players on three or even four year deals will still have to pay the players' their contracted wages, leading to financial problems. On another point, how many times has Kaz hit the bar or post this season Surely he is going to have a game where one of his 'screamers' is going to go in....hopefully tomorrow.
I have a fiver that agrees!
[quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: Agree with most on here, Oscar is not who Swansea will be looking for. Players wages will be squeezed next year,and those moving clubs will have to face a wage drop. Those clubs who have not planned ahead and signed players on three or even four year deals will still have to pay the players' their contracted wages, leading to financial problems. On another point, how many times has Kaz hit the bar or post this season Surely he is going to have a game where one of his 'screamers' is going to go in....hopefully tomorrow.[/p][/quote]I have a fiver that agrees! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

11:54am Sat 8 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

Chi Gull wrote:
Brilliant post from Fairweather. Why is everyone so cynical about the FFP penalties? All the penalties have been agreed in advance by the Football League Chairmen. They are being and will be implemented if clubs break the rules. You can find the details on a number of websites - my personal recommendation would be the easy to understand version that appeared in 'When Saturday Comes'. No doubt there will be some clever accountants trying to minimise the damage. We have been clever in trying to write off some costs last year - redundancies etc. Paul Barber has said we are on target to meet the FFP rules and I am sure OG is aware of that, and was aware of it when appointed. GP's problem was these constraints come in part way through his tenure and went back on what he believed he had been promised. Lets just get behind the team and leave the money management to the 'suits'.
Quality post.
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: Brilliant post from Fairweather. Why is everyone so cynical about the FFP penalties? All the penalties have been agreed in advance by the Football League Chairmen. They are being and will be implemented if clubs break the rules. You can find the details on a number of websites - my personal recommendation would be the easy to understand version that appeared in 'When Saturday Comes'. No doubt there will be some clever accountants trying to minimise the damage. We have been clever in trying to write off some costs last year - redundancies etc. Paul Barber has said we are on target to meet the FFP rules and I am sure OG is aware of that, and was aware of it when appointed. GP's problem was these constraints come in part way through his tenure and went back on what he believed he had been promised. Lets just get behind the team and leave the money management to the 'suits'.[/p][/quote]Quality post. Captain Haddock
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11:55am Sat 8 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

Chi Gull wrote:
Brilliant post from Fairweather. Why is everyone so cynical about the FFP penalties? All the penalties have been agreed in advance by the Football League Chairmen. They are being and will be implemented if clubs break the rules. You can find the details on a number of websites - my personal recommendation would be the easy to understand version that appeared in 'When Saturday Comes'. No doubt there will be some clever accountants trying to minimise the damage. We have been clever in trying to write off some costs last year - redundancies etc. Paul Barber has said we are on target to meet the FFP rules and I am sure OG is aware of that, and was aware of it when appointed. GP's problem was these constraints come in part way through his tenure and went back on what he believed he had been promised. Lets just get behind the team and leave the money management to the 'suits'.
Quality post.
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: Brilliant post from Fairweather. Why is everyone so cynical about the FFP penalties? All the penalties have been agreed in advance by the Football League Chairmen. They are being and will be implemented if clubs break the rules. You can find the details on a number of websites - my personal recommendation would be the easy to understand version that appeared in 'When Saturday Comes'. No doubt there will be some clever accountants trying to minimise the damage. We have been clever in trying to write off some costs last year - redundancies etc. Paul Barber has said we are on target to meet the FFP rules and I am sure OG is aware of that, and was aware of it when appointed. GP's problem was these constraints come in part way through his tenure and went back on what he believed he had been promised. Lets just get behind the team and leave the money management to the 'suits'.[/p][/quote]Quality post. Captain Haddock
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12:38pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

gordongull wrote:
Chi Gull wrote: At our level its as much about the way the team plays and the balance of the side as it is about individual quality and how much you pay players. Of course money is a factor, and with our support we will always have a competitive playing budget in this league, even without parachute payments, but there will always be teams with more money. That doesn't mean we are doomed never to get promotion. We ran away with the League 1 title when other teams had bigger budgets. Finding a balanced team this year has not been easy with the upheaval in the summer, the injuries and transfers. We have a few players who are getting on a bit. So when Vegas says replace them with better players, I suspect he means younger players with promise who may well turn out to be better than one or two we get rid of. We all know you pay less for an unproven player and we have had the likes of Bennet, Noone, Bridcutt as proof.
I unintentionally repeated most of your earlier post Chi Gull. I was no doubt viewing the ffp site while you were submitting your post. When you consider that we top the attendance league for our division, and charge the highest prices, In future the only clubs with more money should be those receiving parachute payments. It is worth noting that many of the relegated sides in recent years have struggled to make an impact in the Championship. I think what Vegas is saying is that, like me, he is anticipating that players on high earnings but at the end of their contract will not be offered the same terms. These players will look for a new club, but will find that no-one else can afford them either without going into debt. In fact all the other clubs will be either off-loading high earners or offering reduced deals. In such a player market it should be possible to acquire players as good or better for less money. (correct me if I'm wrong Vegas)
Good posts, guys.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: At our level its as much about the way the team plays and the balance of the side as it is about individual quality and how much you pay players. Of course money is a factor, and with our support we will always have a competitive playing budget in this league, even without parachute payments, but there will always be teams with more money. That doesn't mean we are doomed never to get promotion. We ran away with the League 1 title when other teams had bigger budgets. Finding a balanced team this year has not been easy with the upheaval in the summer, the injuries and transfers. We have a few players who are getting on a bit. So when Vegas says replace them with better players, I suspect he means younger players with promise who may well turn out to be better than one or two we get rid of. We all know you pay less for an unproven player and we have had the likes of Bennet, Noone, Bridcutt as proof.[/p][/quote]I unintentionally repeated most of your earlier post Chi Gull. I was no doubt viewing the ffp site while you were submitting your post. When you consider that we top the attendance league for our division, and charge the highest prices, In future the only clubs with more money should be those receiving parachute payments. It is worth noting that many of the relegated sides in recent years have struggled to make an impact in the Championship. I think what Vegas is saying is that, like me, he is anticipating that players on high earnings but at the end of their contract will not be offered the same terms. These players will look for a new club, but will find that no-one else can afford them either without going into debt. In fact all the other clubs will be either off-loading high earners or offering reduced deals. In such a player market it should be possible to acquire players as good or better for less money. (correct me if I'm wrong Vegas)[/p][/quote]Good posts, guys. Captain Haddock
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