Albion talking point: Who would you pick to face Leeds United tonight?

The Argus: Andrea Orlandi is in the frame for a start tonight Andrea Orlandi is in the frame for a start tonight

Albion boss Oscar Garcia has a number of selection options ahead of tonight's Championship clash with play-off rivals Leeds United.

Join the debate here and have your say on who he should pick.

Who should he play in midfield with Rohan Ince and Dale Stephens - would you go for Andrea Orlandi, Jake Forster-Caskey or, perhaps, Remy Agustien and David Lopez.

And what about on the flanks - will it be Kazenga LuaLua, Solly March, who did so well against Doncaster Rovers, or new signing David Rodriguez?

So join the debate here, we would love to know what you think about line-ups and formations.

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5:37am Tue 11 Feb 14

To baldly go says...

Needs to be a positive line up, not just Ulloa up front, get them on the back foot and we have a good chance, they will come like Leicester and could play to win not park the bus which will suit us big time.
Keeper and back 4 pick themselves although Greer needs to up his game imo. Ince, Stephens and Orlandi in midfield, Buckley, Ulloa and LuaLua up front.
Bench very strong, Brez, Caldi, Dunk, Agustien, Rodney, March, Jfc.
A tight one but Albion to win 2-1.
Needs to be a positive line up, not just Ulloa up front, get them on the back foot and we have a good chance, they will come like Leicester and could play to win not park the bus which will suit us big time. Keeper and back 4 pick themselves although Greer needs to up his game imo. Ince, Stephens and Orlandi in midfield, Buckley, Ulloa and LuaLua up front. Bench very strong, Brez, Caldi, Dunk, Agustien, Rodney, March, Jfc. A tight one but Albion to win 2-1. To baldly go

5:50am Tue 11 Feb 14

Dorset Seagull says...

Same team as Saturday, but with Dunk replacing Greer.
Same team as Saturday, but with Dunk replacing Greer. Dorset Seagull

6:49am Tue 11 Feb 14

Alfie T says...

Dorset Seagull wrote:
Same team as Saturday, but with Dunk replacing Greer.
This.
[quote][p][bold]Dorset Seagull[/bold] wrote: Same team as Saturday, but with Dunk replacing Greer.[/p][/quote]This. Alfie T

6:49am Tue 11 Feb 14

Grendel says...

Kusczack
Bruno - Greer - Upson - Ward
Ince - Stephens - Orlandi
Rodriguez - Ulloa - LuaLua

Subs: Brezovan, Dunk, Calderon, Agustien, D. Lopez, March, Obika
Kusczack Bruno - Greer - Upson - Ward Ince - Stephens - Orlandi Rodriguez - Ulloa - LuaLua Subs: Brezovan, Dunk, Calderon, Agustien, D. Lopez, March, Obika Grendel

6:59am Tue 11 Feb 14

Dolph Ins says...

Alfie T wrote:
Dorset Seagull wrote:
Same team as Saturday, but with Dunk replacing Greer.
This.
ditto
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset Seagull[/bold] wrote: Same team as Saturday, but with Dunk replacing Greer.[/p][/quote]This.[/p][/quote]ditto Dolph Ins

7:05am Tue 11 Feb 14

bbb1969 says...

Def would not play Buckers or JFC as too soon after injury and especially against Dirty Leeds.
Back 4 the same with a question mark for Greer. He has been off as late and although a good captain I am sure Upson could deputise.
Ince Orlandi and Stephens across mf with Ince adopting the cdm role.
Solly Ulloa and Rodders up front.
I would use Lua Lua as impact subs at half time or with 30 mins to go with Pbika cpming on for a tired Ulloa tpwards the end; last 15 mins. Depends on the scoreline at halftime.
Would not include Jfc or Buckers this week and save them for the cup.
The rest of the bench will be cover players only.
If we are trailing then I would like to see a bold move with 3 at the back and Ince covering so we cann add an extra mf or forward.
Def would not play Buckers or JFC as too soon after injury and especially against Dirty Leeds. Back 4 the same with a question mark for Greer. He has been off as late and although a good captain I am sure Upson could deputise. Ince Orlandi and Stephens across mf with Ince adopting the cdm role. Solly Ulloa and Rodders up front. I would use Lua Lua as impact subs at half time or with 30 mins to go with Pbika cpming on for a tired Ulloa tpwards the end; last 15 mins. Depends on the scoreline at halftime. Would not include Jfc or Buckers this week and save them for the cup. The rest of the bench will be cover players only. If we are trailing then I would like to see a bold move with 3 at the back and Ince covering so we cann add an extra mf or forward. bbb1969

7:14am Tue 11 Feb 14

Dorset Seagull says...

bbb1969 wrote:
Def would not play Buckers or JFC as too soon after injury and especially against Dirty Leeds.
Back 4 the same with a question mark for Greer. He has been off as late and although a good captain I am sure Upson could deputise.
Ince Orlandi and Stephens across mf with Ince adopting the cdm role.
Solly Ulloa and Rodders up front.
I would use Lua Lua as impact subs at half time or with 30 mins to go with Pbika cpming on for a tired Ulloa tpwards the end; last 15 mins. Depends on the scoreline at halftime.
Would not include Jfc or Buckers this week and save them for the cup.
The rest of the bench will be cover players only.
If we are trailing then I would like to see a bold move with 3 at the back and Ince covering so we cann add an extra mf or forward.
Isn't that what I said in 1 sentence?! ;-)
[quote][p][bold]bbb1969[/bold] wrote: Def would not play Buckers or JFC as too soon after injury and especially against Dirty Leeds. Back 4 the same with a question mark for Greer. He has been off as late and although a good captain I am sure Upson could deputise. Ince Orlandi and Stephens across mf with Ince adopting the cdm role. Solly Ulloa and Rodders up front. I would use Lua Lua as impact subs at half time or with 30 mins to go with Pbika cpming on for a tired Ulloa tpwards the end; last 15 mins. Depends on the scoreline at halftime. Would not include Jfc or Buckers this week and save them for the cup. The rest of the bench will be cover players only. If we are trailing then I would like to see a bold move with 3 at the back and Ince covering so we cann add an extra mf or forward.[/p][/quote]Isn't that what I said in 1 sentence?! ;-) Dorset Seagull

7:49am Tue 11 Feb 14

Brendanp64 says...

Same team as Saturday but lua lua on instead of March and Buckley on the bench
Same team as Saturday but lua lua on instead of March and Buckley on the bench Brendanp64

8:27am Tue 11 Feb 14

Camp Nigel says...

I wish for eleven handsome chaps out there tonight. No grimmers please.
I wish for eleven handsome chaps out there tonight. No grimmers please. Camp Nigel

8:51am Tue 11 Feb 14

championshipgull says...

Yep for def keep the attacking 4-3-3 formation
Yep for def keep the attacking 4-3-3 formation championshipgull

9:06am Tue 11 Feb 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

To baldly go wrote:
Needs to be a positive line up, not just Ulloa up front, get them on the back foot and we have a good chance, they will come like Leicester and could play to win not park the bus which will suit us big time.
Keeper and back 4 pick themselves although Greer needs to up his game imo. Ince, Stephens and Orlandi in midfield, Buckley, Ulloa and LuaLua up front.
Bench very strong, Brez, Caldi, Dunk, Agustien, Rodney, March, Jfc.
A tight one but Albion to win 2-1.
Sorry but there,s no way you can play Buckley immediately.He has not played since December.Put him on the bench.
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: Needs to be a positive line up, not just Ulloa up front, get them on the back foot and we have a good chance, they will come like Leicester and could play to win not park the bus which will suit us big time. Keeper and back 4 pick themselves although Greer needs to up his game imo. Ince, Stephens and Orlandi in midfield, Buckley, Ulloa and LuaLua up front. Bench very strong, Brez, Caldi, Dunk, Agustien, Rodney, March, Jfc. A tight one but Albion to win 2-1.[/p][/quote]Sorry but there,s no way you can play Buckley immediately.He has not played since December.Put him on the bench. SeagullOverSelsey

9:13am Tue 11 Feb 14

Claude Back says...

Orlandi or Ince over JFC, any day!
Orlandi or Ince over JFC, any day! Claude Back

9:17am Tue 11 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Brendanp64 wrote:
Same team as Saturday but lua lua on instead of March and Buckley on the bench
March was many people's (inc Andy naylor) MoM on Saturday. Do you think he needs a rest or did you not think he played well?
[quote][p][bold]Brendanp64[/bold] wrote: Same team as Saturday but lua lua on instead of March and Buckley on the bench[/p][/quote]March was many people's (inc Andy naylor) MoM on Saturday. Do you think he needs a rest or did you not think he played well? Ex-pat Arnie

10:12am Tue 11 Feb 14

sgambling1 says...

Whatever way you look at it, i'm pretty sure there are going to be goals tonight. Entertaining draw.
I'd probably go for somoene like Ince or Stephen to man-mark Mcormack keeping him quiet. Ideally Andrews would of done this perfectly. Same back 4 as usual BrunoGreerUpsonWard with big pole in goal!

Ince Stephens Orlandi in CM

Rodney and Ulloa with LuaLua or March

No place in 11 for JFC, not on a night like tonight...
Whatever way you look at it, i'm pretty sure there are going to be goals tonight. Entertaining draw. I'd probably go for somoene like Ince or Stephen to man-mark Mcormack keeping him quiet. Ideally Andrews would of done this perfectly. Same back 4 as usual BrunoGreerUpsonWard with big pole in goal! Ince Stephens Orlandi in CM Rodney and Ulloa with LuaLua or March No place in 11 for JFC, not on a night like tonight... sgambling1

10:17am Tue 11 Feb 14

WestStander17 says...

I'd probably stick with the same team as Saturday. Stick with the technically good Solly March. Pace on the other flank with Rodders or Lua Lua. The other and Buckley on the bench.

Greer must be better tonight. Some calling for Dunk to replace him but I can't see Oscar going that far.

Need to get Orlandi further forward, closer to Ulloa.

Like Greer, the crowd need to be better too! If we can't be up for Leeds at home on a Tuesday night something is wrong! We can be the 12th man! Raise the roof!!!
I'd probably stick with the same team as Saturday. Stick with the technically good Solly March. Pace on the other flank with Rodders or Lua Lua. The other and Buckley on the bench. Greer must be better tonight. Some calling for Dunk to replace him but I can't see Oscar going that far. Need to get Orlandi further forward, closer to Ulloa. Like Greer, the crowd need to be better too! If we can't be up for Leeds at home on a Tuesday night something is wrong! We can be the 12th man! Raise the roof!!! WestStander17

10:23am Tue 11 Feb 14

lotsofducks says...

Don't care as long as there is someone up front to support Ulloa. Not a lone striker pleeeeease!
Don't care as long as there is someone up front to support Ulloa. Not a lone striker pleeeeease! lotsofducks

10:51am Tue 11 Feb 14

elljam says...

Have to agree with a lot of these comments & Greer must be in last chance saloon. I'm sick of his deep defending, dragging the midfield back with him & therefore leaving Ulloa isolated . Dunk is a viable option as he is quicker & just as comfy on the ball.
Would like to see Orlandi left on the pitch for longer as Oscar seems reluctant to play him for more than 60 mins. Given an extended chance in that central role he can be the creative midfielder we have lacked this season.
March has his moments but quite often slows the attacks down by checking back inside & needs to be more direct. LuaLua is more dangerous but his reluctance to get in the box when the ball is on the opposite flank needs addressing as it seems he only wants to receive the ball at least 30 yards from goal.
Would persevere with Rodriguez as I must have seen him make at least 15 dangerous runs against Doncaster without receiving the ball due to our reluctance of looking forward when in possession (another of Greers faults).

Kusczak
Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward
Ince,
Stephens
Rodriguez, Orlandi, LuaLua
Ulloa
Have to agree with a lot of these comments & Greer must be in last chance saloon. I'm sick of his deep defending, dragging the midfield back with him & therefore leaving Ulloa isolated . Dunk is a viable option as he is quicker & just as comfy on the ball. Would like to see Orlandi left on the pitch for longer as Oscar seems reluctant to play him for more than 60 mins. Given an extended chance in that central role he can be the creative midfielder we have lacked this season. March has his moments but quite often slows the attacks down by checking back inside & needs to be more direct. LuaLua is more dangerous but his reluctance to get in the box when the ball is on the opposite flank needs addressing as it seems he only wants to receive the ball at least 30 yards from goal. Would persevere with Rodriguez as I must have seen him make at least 15 dangerous runs against Doncaster without receiving the ball due to our reluctance of looking forward when in possession (another of Greers faults). Kusczak Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward Ince, Stephens Rodriguez, Orlandi, LuaLua Ulloa elljam

11:02am Tue 11 Feb 14

WestStander17 says...

lotsofducks wrote:
Don't care as long as there is someone up front to support Ulloa. Not a lone striker pleeeeease!
From what we have seen, its always going to be 1 striker, get used to it!
[quote][p][bold]lotsofducks[/bold] wrote: Don't care as long as there is someone up front to support Ulloa. Not a lone striker pleeeeease![/p][/quote]From what we have seen, its always going to be 1 striker, get used to it! WestStander17

11:28am Tue 11 Feb 14

Steveg1958 says...

elljam wrote:
Have to agree with a lot of these comments & Greer must be in last chance saloon. I'm sick of his deep defending, dragging the midfield back with him & therefore leaving Ulloa isolated . Dunk is a viable option as he is quicker & just as comfy on the ball.
Would like to see Orlandi left on the pitch for longer as Oscar seems reluctant to play him for more than 60 mins. Given an extended chance in that central role he can be the creative midfielder we have lacked this season.
March has his moments but quite often slows the attacks down by checking back inside & needs to be more direct. LuaLua is more dangerous but his reluctance to get in the box when the ball is on the opposite flank needs addressing as it seems he only wants to receive the ball at least 30 yards from goal.
Would persevere with Rodriguez as I must have seen him make at least 15 dangerous runs against Doncaster without receiving the ball due to our reluctance of looking forward when in possession (another of Greers faults).

Kusczak
Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward
Ince,
Stephens
Rodriguez, Orlandi, LuaLua
Ulloa
Best Post of the day, Rodriguez's runs off the shoulder of defenders went completely un-noticed too many times against Donny, if we had not had the ingrained defensive tactics in certain players (Greer the worst culprit), he could have been played in on more than one occasion. Please can NJ and OG tell whoever they play in the middle to look forwards for once instead of sideways and backwards.
[quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: Have to agree with a lot of these comments & Greer must be in last chance saloon. I'm sick of his deep defending, dragging the midfield back with him & therefore leaving Ulloa isolated . Dunk is a viable option as he is quicker & just as comfy on the ball. Would like to see Orlandi left on the pitch for longer as Oscar seems reluctant to play him for more than 60 mins. Given an extended chance in that central role he can be the creative midfielder we have lacked this season. March has his moments but quite often slows the attacks down by checking back inside & needs to be more direct. LuaLua is more dangerous but his reluctance to get in the box when the ball is on the opposite flank needs addressing as it seems he only wants to receive the ball at least 30 yards from goal. Would persevere with Rodriguez as I must have seen him make at least 15 dangerous runs against Doncaster without receiving the ball due to our reluctance of looking forward when in possession (another of Greers faults). Kusczak Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward Ince, Stephens Rodriguez, Orlandi, LuaLua Ulloa[/p][/quote]Best Post of the day, Rodriguez's runs off the shoulder of defenders went completely un-noticed too many times against Donny, if we had not had the ingrained defensive tactics in certain players (Greer the worst culprit), he could have been played in on more than one occasion. Please can NJ and OG tell whoever they play in the middle to look forwards for once instead of sideways and backwards. Steveg1958

11:39am Tue 11 Feb 14

Aldrington Halt says...

Grendel wrote:
Kusczack
Bruno - Greer - Upson - Ward
Ince - Stephens - Orlandi
Rodriguez - Ulloa - LuaLua

Subs: Brezovan, Dunk, Calderon, Agustien, D. Lopez, March, Obika
I agree with this! A winning formula, Kaz in from the start to unsettle their defenders and we'll start scoring through the cracks!! UTA
[quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: Kusczack Bruno - Greer - Upson - Ward Ince - Stephens - Orlandi Rodriguez - Ulloa - LuaLua Subs: Brezovan, Dunk, Calderon, Agustien, D. Lopez, March, Obika[/p][/quote]I agree with this! A winning formula, Kaz in from the start to unsettle their defenders and we'll start scoring through the cracks!! UTA Aldrington Halt

11:58am Tue 11 Feb 14

dave from bexill says...

elljam wrote:
Have to agree with a lot of these comments & Greer must be in last chance saloon. I'm sick of his deep defending, dragging the midfield back with him & therefore leaving Ulloa isolated . Dunk is a viable option as he is quicker & just as comfy on the ball.
Would like to see Orlandi left on the pitch for longer as Oscar seems reluctant to play him for more than 60 mins. Given an extended chance in that central role he can be the creative midfielder we have lacked this season.
March has his moments but quite often slows the attacks down by checking back inside & needs to be more direct. LuaLua is more dangerous but his reluctance to get in the box when the ball is on the opposite flank needs addressing as it seems he only wants to receive the ball at least 30 yards from goal.
Would persevere with Rodriguez as I must have seen him make at least 15 dangerous runs against Doncaster without receiving the ball due to our reluctance of looking forward when in possession (another of Greers faults).

Kusczak
Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward
Ince,
Stephens
Rodriguez, Orlandi, LuaLua
Ulloa
Nice balance and offensive feel to this selection. Not totally relaxed regarding Dunk, but hey why not.
[quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: Have to agree with a lot of these comments & Greer must be in last chance saloon. I'm sick of his deep defending, dragging the midfield back with him & therefore leaving Ulloa isolated . Dunk is a viable option as he is quicker & just as comfy on the ball. Would like to see Orlandi left on the pitch for longer as Oscar seems reluctant to play him for more than 60 mins. Given an extended chance in that central role he can be the creative midfielder we have lacked this season. March has his moments but quite often slows the attacks down by checking back inside & needs to be more direct. LuaLua is more dangerous but his reluctance to get in the box when the ball is on the opposite flank needs addressing as it seems he only wants to receive the ball at least 30 yards from goal. Would persevere with Rodriguez as I must have seen him make at least 15 dangerous runs against Doncaster without receiving the ball due to our reluctance of looking forward when in possession (another of Greers faults). Kusczak Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward Ince, Stephens Rodriguez, Orlandi, LuaLua Ulloa[/p][/quote]Nice balance and offensive feel to this selection. Not totally relaxed regarding Dunk, but hey why not. dave from bexill

12:02pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

WestStander17 wrote:
I'd probably stick with the same team as Saturday. Stick with the technically good Solly March. Pace on the other flank with Rodders or Lua Lua. The other and Buckley on the bench.

Greer must be better tonight. Some calling for Dunk to replace him but I can't see Oscar going that far.

Need to get Orlandi further forward, closer to Ulloa.

Like Greer, the crowd need to be better too! If we can't be up for Leeds at home on a Tuesday night something is wrong! We can be the 12th man! Raise the roof!!!
I generally agree with this. Greer will not be dropped for a bad game a couple of matches ago. His experience - along with that of the entire back five - will be key tonight.

I think Orlandi needs to be the link between our midfield and Ulloa. Whether this means getting closer to the big Argie or not, he is a pivotal figure in the way we play. A run of games and no doubt he will back to his superb best.

Leeds don't like playing against Ulloa (and they hated CMS) so I can see his notching one or two tonight, but we need to start on the front foot. Panic the life out of Leeds, who according to their own fans are always poor in the first 45 mins. 2-0 at half-time? I'd like to think so.
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: I'd probably stick with the same team as Saturday. Stick with the technically good Solly March. Pace on the other flank with Rodders or Lua Lua. The other and Buckley on the bench. Greer must be better tonight. Some calling for Dunk to replace him but I can't see Oscar going that far. Need to get Orlandi further forward, closer to Ulloa. Like Greer, the crowd need to be better too! If we can't be up for Leeds at home on a Tuesday night something is wrong! We can be the 12th man! Raise the roof!!![/p][/quote]I generally agree with this. Greer will not be dropped for a bad game a couple of matches ago. His experience - along with that of the entire back five - will be key tonight. I think Orlandi needs to be the link between our midfield and Ulloa. Whether this means getting closer to the big Argie or not, he is a pivotal figure in the way we play. A run of games and no doubt he will back to his superb best. Leeds don't like playing against Ulloa (and they hated CMS) so I can see his notching one or two tonight, but we need to start on the front foot. Panic the life out of Leeds, who according to their own fans are always poor in the first 45 mins. 2-0 at half-time? I'd like to think so. Ex-pat Arnie

12:05pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Steveg1958 wrote:
elljam wrote:
Have to agree with a lot of these comments & Greer must be in last chance saloon. I'm sick of his deep defending, dragging the midfield back with him & therefore leaving Ulloa isolated . Dunk is a viable option as he is quicker & just as comfy on the ball.
Would like to see Orlandi left on the pitch for longer as Oscar seems reluctant to play him for more than 60 mins. Given an extended chance in that central role he can be the creative midfielder we have lacked this season.
March has his moments but quite often slows the attacks down by checking back inside & needs to be more direct. LuaLua is more dangerous but his reluctance to get in the box when the ball is on the opposite flank needs addressing as it seems he only wants to receive the ball at least 30 yards from goal.
Would persevere with Rodriguez as I must have seen him make at least 15 dangerous runs against Doncaster without receiving the ball due to our reluctance of looking forward when in possession (another of Greers faults).

Kusczak
Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward
Ince,
Stephens
Rodriguez, Orlandi, LuaLua
Ulloa
Best Post of the day, Rodriguez's runs off the shoulder of defenders went completely un-noticed too many times against Donny, if we had not had the ingrained defensive tactics in certain players (Greer the worst culprit), he could have been played in on more than one occasion. Please can NJ and OG tell whoever they play in the middle to look forwards for once instead of sideways and backwards.
You're saying it's Greer's fault that Rodriguez wasn't played in? Surely it's not the centre back's job.
[quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: Have to agree with a lot of these comments & Greer must be in last chance saloon. I'm sick of his deep defending, dragging the midfield back with him & therefore leaving Ulloa isolated . Dunk is a viable option as he is quicker & just as comfy on the ball. Would like to see Orlandi left on the pitch for longer as Oscar seems reluctant to play him for more than 60 mins. Given an extended chance in that central role he can be the creative midfielder we have lacked this season. March has his moments but quite often slows the attacks down by checking back inside & needs to be more direct. LuaLua is more dangerous but his reluctance to get in the box when the ball is on the opposite flank needs addressing as it seems he only wants to receive the ball at least 30 yards from goal. Would persevere with Rodriguez as I must have seen him make at least 15 dangerous runs against Doncaster without receiving the ball due to our reluctance of looking forward when in possession (another of Greers faults). Kusczak Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward Ince, Stephens Rodriguez, Orlandi, LuaLua Ulloa[/p][/quote]Best Post of the day, Rodriguez's runs off the shoulder of defenders went completely un-noticed too many times against Donny, if we had not had the ingrained defensive tactics in certain players (Greer the worst culprit), he could have been played in on more than one occasion. Please can NJ and OG tell whoever they play in the middle to look forwards for once instead of sideways and backwards.[/p][/quote]You're saying it's Greer's fault that Rodriguez wasn't played in? Surely it's not the centre back's job. Ex-pat Arnie

12:50pm Tue 11 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

It's such a shame that we have to think about how to stop a, 'hit man,' when we are the home team, it should be Leeds worrying about how to stop us.

I would not change anything from the Doncaster match, Kaz for Solly might be an option but only because Kaz has a bit more pace but if that change does happen, then I would like to see him, at times, carry the ball into the box and not always shoot from distance. As to who delivers the better cross, Kaz or Solly, that is for you who are there to answer.
The fact that we do have to concern ourselves about McCormack I don't think this is the time to change any part of our back five, this is the only area where we have any consistency.
It's such a shame that we have to think about how to stop a, 'hit man,' when we are the home team, it should be Leeds worrying about how to stop us. I would not change anything from the Doncaster match, Kaz for Solly might be an option but only because Kaz has a bit more pace but if that change does happen, then I would like to see him, at times, carry the ball into the box and not always shoot from distance. As to who delivers the better cross, Kaz or Solly, that is for you who are there to answer. The fact that we do have to concern ourselves about McCormack I don't think this is the time to change any part of our back five, this is the only area where we have any consistency. VegasSeagull

1:29pm Tue 11 Feb 14

WestStander17 says...

Steveg1958 wrote:
elljam wrote:
Have to agree with a lot of these comments & Greer must be in last chance saloon. I'm sick of his deep defending, dragging the midfield back with him & therefore leaving Ulloa isolated . Dunk is a viable option as he is quicker & just as comfy on the ball.
Would like to see Orlandi left on the pitch for longer as Oscar seems reluctant to play him for more than 60 mins. Given an extended chance in that central role he can be the creative midfielder we have lacked this season.
March has his moments but quite often slows the attacks down by checking back inside & needs to be more direct. LuaLua is more dangerous but his reluctance to get in the box when the ball is on the opposite flank needs addressing as it seems he only wants to receive the ball at least 30 yards from goal.
Would persevere with Rodriguez as I must have seen him make at least 15 dangerous runs against Doncaster without receiving the ball due to our reluctance of looking forward when in possession (another of Greers faults).

Kusczak
Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward
Ince,
Stephens
Rodriguez, Orlandi, LuaLua
Ulloa
Best Post of the day, Rodriguez's runs off the shoulder of defenders went completely un-noticed too many times against Donny, if we had not had the ingrained defensive tactics in certain players (Greer the worst culprit), he could have been played in on more than one occasion. Please can NJ and OG tell whoever they play in the middle to look forwards for once instead of sideways and backwards.
I don't think its a case of not looking forwards, I think that will be the 1st thing they look to do but, with keeping possession in mind, if they think its a risky pass, they find a safer one. That decision is the difficult one. Its what makes the great midfielders great.

Bruno is actually the player that tries riskier forward passes than anyone else which is why playing him in midfield was a decent idea. But, he also probably gives the ball away more than most.

What we must refrain from, as supporters, is getting frustrated by a lack of forward passes but also moaning when the ball is given away. Its a very fine balance.

On Saturday, Doncaster were playing a very high line and Rodders was looking for that ball over the top, you are right. But, the player on the ball must very quickly weigh up the risk/reward of playing each pass. We don't really have a player that sprays killer passes around, its what we lack, IMO. Vicente could do it at the drop of a hat and, if he plays next week, we will see Huddlestone spray the ball around but we don't really have that player at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: Have to agree with a lot of these comments & Greer must be in last chance saloon. I'm sick of his deep defending, dragging the midfield back with him & therefore leaving Ulloa isolated . Dunk is a viable option as he is quicker & just as comfy on the ball. Would like to see Orlandi left on the pitch for longer as Oscar seems reluctant to play him for more than 60 mins. Given an extended chance in that central role he can be the creative midfielder we have lacked this season. March has his moments but quite often slows the attacks down by checking back inside & needs to be more direct. LuaLua is more dangerous but his reluctance to get in the box when the ball is on the opposite flank needs addressing as it seems he only wants to receive the ball at least 30 yards from goal. Would persevere with Rodriguez as I must have seen him make at least 15 dangerous runs against Doncaster without receiving the ball due to our reluctance of looking forward when in possession (another of Greers faults). Kusczak Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward Ince, Stephens Rodriguez, Orlandi, LuaLua Ulloa[/p][/quote]Best Post of the day, Rodriguez's runs off the shoulder of defenders went completely un-noticed too many times against Donny, if we had not had the ingrained defensive tactics in certain players (Greer the worst culprit), he could have been played in on more than one occasion. Please can NJ and OG tell whoever they play in the middle to look forwards for once instead of sideways and backwards.[/p][/quote]I don't think its a case of not looking forwards, I think that will be the 1st thing they look to do but, with keeping possession in mind, if they think its a risky pass, they find a safer one. That decision is the difficult one. Its what makes the great midfielders great. Bruno is actually the player that tries riskier forward passes than anyone else which is why playing him in midfield was a decent idea. But, he also probably gives the ball away more than most. What we must refrain from, as supporters, is getting frustrated by a lack of forward passes but also moaning when the ball is given away. Its a very fine balance. On Saturday, Doncaster were playing a very high line and Rodders was looking for that ball over the top, you are right. But, the player on the ball must very quickly weigh up the risk/reward of playing each pass. We don't really have a player that sprays killer passes around, its what we lack, IMO. Vicente could do it at the drop of a hat and, if he plays next week, we will see Huddlestone spray the ball around but we don't really have that player at the moment. WestStander17

2:33pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
It's such a shame that we have to think about how to stop a, 'hit man,' when we are the home team, it should be Leeds worrying about how to stop us.

I would not change anything from the Doncaster match, Kaz for Solly might be an option but only because Kaz has a bit more pace but if that change does happen, then I would like to see him, at times, carry the ball into the box and not always shoot from distance. As to who delivers the better cross, Kaz or Solly, that is for you who are there to answer.
The fact that we do have to concern ourselves about McCormack I don't think this is the time to change any part of our back five, this is the only area where we have any consistency.
I'm sure LEeds are wondering how to stop us, but to not have strategies to deal with the opposition's dangerman would surely be folly.

Every time I hear a manager "We shouldn't worry about them, they should worry about us" I wince. If we don't take their threat seriously and work to negate it then we're in for a tough evening. Cancel their threat, then make the most of ours.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: It's such a shame that we have to think about how to stop a, 'hit man,' when we are the home team, it should be Leeds worrying about how to stop us. I would not change anything from the Doncaster match, Kaz for Solly might be an option but only because Kaz has a bit more pace but if that change does happen, then I would like to see him, at times, carry the ball into the box and not always shoot from distance. As to who delivers the better cross, Kaz or Solly, that is for you who are there to answer. The fact that we do have to concern ourselves about McCormack I don't think this is the time to change any part of our back five, this is the only area where we have any consistency.[/p][/quote]I'm sure LEeds are wondering how to stop us, but to not have strategies to deal with the opposition's dangerman would surely be folly. Every time I hear a manager "We shouldn't worry about them, they should worry about us" I wince. If we don't take their threat seriously and work to negate it then we're in for a tough evening. Cancel their threat, then make the most of ours. Ex-pat Arnie

2:53pm Tue 11 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
It's such a shame that we have to think about how to stop a, 'hit man,' when we are the home team, it should be Leeds worrying about how to stop us.

I would not change anything from the Doncaster match, Kaz for Solly might be an option but only because Kaz has a bit more pace but if that change does happen, then I would like to see him, at times, carry the ball into the box and not always shoot from distance. As to who delivers the better cross, Kaz or Solly, that is for you who are there to answer.
The fact that we do have to concern ourselves about McCormack I don't think this is the time to change any part of our back five, this is the only area where we have any consistency.
I'm sure LEeds are wondering how to stop us, but to not have strategies to deal with the opposition's dangerman would surely be folly.

Every time I hear a manager "We shouldn't worry about them, they should worry about us" I wince. If we don't take their threat seriously and work to negate it then we're in for a tough evening. Cancel their threat, then make the most of ours.
Arnie I am not saying that we should ignore the threat that McCormack poses, or others, I just wish that we had a better record of taking real chances to score so that they would have to worry about our danger men as much as we have to worry about theirs.
Crofts out, so no worries about him. Buckley has been out, Ulloa scored against Donny but has been on a lean run, who else do we have that Leeds will identify as a threat in the way we identify the threat from McCormack.
We will be looking to new players to help us score, and I fancy them to do just that, Leeds will look to a man in form, that's the difference.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: It's such a shame that we have to think about how to stop a, 'hit man,' when we are the home team, it should be Leeds worrying about how to stop us. I would not change anything from the Doncaster match, Kaz for Solly might be an option but only because Kaz has a bit more pace but if that change does happen, then I would like to see him, at times, carry the ball into the box and not always shoot from distance. As to who delivers the better cross, Kaz or Solly, that is for you who are there to answer. The fact that we do have to concern ourselves about McCormack I don't think this is the time to change any part of our back five, this is the only area where we have any consistency.[/p][/quote]I'm sure LEeds are wondering how to stop us, but to not have strategies to deal with the opposition's dangerman would surely be folly. Every time I hear a manager "We shouldn't worry about them, they should worry about us" I wince. If we don't take their threat seriously and work to negate it then we're in for a tough evening. Cancel their threat, then make the most of ours.[/p][/quote]Arnie I am not saying that we should ignore the threat that McCormack poses, or others, I just wish that we had a better record of taking real chances to score so that they would have to worry about our danger men as much as we have to worry about theirs. Crofts out, so no worries about him. Buckley has been out, Ulloa scored against Donny but has been on a lean run, who else do we have that Leeds will identify as a threat in the way we identify the threat from McCormack. We will be looking to new players to help us score, and I fancy them to do just that, Leeds will look to a man in form, that's the difference. VegasSeagull

2:59pm Tue 11 Feb 14

AGT999 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Brendanp64 wrote:
Same team as Saturday but lua lua on instead of March and Buckley on the bench
March was many people's (inc Andy naylor) MoM on Saturday. Do you think he needs a rest or did you not think he played well?
LL never does it for me when he starts, at his best as an impact sub, Solly hit the ground running against Donny. I would start with Solly then hit them with LL in the secon half.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brendanp64[/bold] wrote: Same team as Saturday but lua lua on instead of March and Buckley on the bench[/p][/quote]March was many people's (inc Andy naylor) MoM on Saturday. Do you think he needs a rest or did you not think he played well?[/p][/quote]LL never does it for me when he starts, at his best as an impact sub, Solly hit the ground running against Donny. I would start with Solly then hit them with LL in the secon half. AGT999

3:16pm Tue 11 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

AGT999 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Brendanp64 wrote:
Same team as Saturday but lua lua on instead of March and Buckley on the bench
March was many people's (inc Andy naylor) MoM on Saturday. Do you think he needs a rest or did you not think he played well?
LL never does it for me when he starts, at his best as an impact sub, Solly hit the ground running against Donny. I would start with Solly then hit them with LL in the secon half.
Hi Bro.
Yeah there isn't a real need to make changes unless Oscar wants to a tactical change to help counter the threat from McCormack, does Kaz have better pace than Solly, so might this help when it comes to chasing back, I don't know. We need to play as we did against Leicester, create pressure high up the park and have them worry about us more than we worry about Mack.
[quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brendanp64[/bold] wrote: Same team as Saturday but lua lua on instead of March and Buckley on the bench[/p][/quote]March was many people's (inc Andy naylor) MoM on Saturday. Do you think he needs a rest or did you not think he played well?[/p][/quote]LL never does it for me when he starts, at his best as an impact sub, Solly hit the ground running against Donny. I would start with Solly then hit them with LL in the secon half.[/p][/quote]Hi Bro. Yeah there isn't a real need to make changes unless Oscar wants to a tactical change to help counter the threat from McCormack, does Kaz have better pace than Solly, so might this help when it comes to chasing back, I don't know. We need to play as we did against Leicester, create pressure high up the park and have them worry about us more than we worry about Mack. VegasSeagull

3:21pm Tue 11 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
AGT999 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Brendanp64 wrote:
Same team as Saturday but lua lua on instead of March and Buckley on the bench
March was many people's (inc Andy naylor) MoM on Saturday. Do you think he needs a rest or did you not think he played well?
LL never does it for me when he starts, at his best as an impact sub, Solly hit the ground running against Donny. I would start with Solly then hit them with LL in the secon half.
Hi Bro.
Yeah there isn't a real need to make changes unless Oscar wants to a tactical change to help counter the threat from McCormack, does Kaz have better pace than Solly, so might this help when it comes to chasing back, I don't know. We need to play as we did against Leicester, create pressure high up the park and have them worry about us more than we worry about Mack.
forgot to ask, was that you I saw in the fans gallery photos, I did mention it yesterday but you didn't reply, I figured that you didn't see my question.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brendanp64[/bold] wrote: Same team as Saturday but lua lua on instead of March and Buckley on the bench[/p][/quote]March was many people's (inc Andy naylor) MoM on Saturday. Do you think he needs a rest or did you not think he played well?[/p][/quote]LL never does it for me when he starts, at his best as an impact sub, Solly hit the ground running against Donny. I would start with Solly then hit them with LL in the secon half.[/p][/quote]Hi Bro. Yeah there isn't a real need to make changes unless Oscar wants to a tactical change to help counter the threat from McCormack, does Kaz have better pace than Solly, so might this help when it comes to chasing back, I don't know. We need to play as we did against Leicester, create pressure high up the park and have them worry about us more than we worry about Mack.[/p][/quote]forgot to ask, was that you I saw in the fans gallery photos, I did mention it yesterday but you didn't reply, I figured that you didn't see my question. VegasSeagull

3:28pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

But all runs of form, good and bad, come to an end sooner or later (reversion to the mean) and there's no reason why that won't happen tonight. Ulloa, now he has scored, will be even more dangerous than ever, and McCormack might have a mare. (I remember watching Jordan Rhodes at the Amex coming off something like an 8 match scoring streak and I don't remember his touching the ball until about the 75th minute when he mis-controlled it.)

We'll be wary of all their threats and they'll be wary of all of ours. But let's hope they're not ;-)
But all runs of form, good and bad, come to an end sooner or later (reversion to the mean) and there's no reason why that won't happen tonight. Ulloa, now he has scored, will be even more dangerous than ever, and McCormack might have a mare. (I remember watching Jordan Rhodes at the Amex coming off something like an 8 match scoring streak and I don't remember his touching the ball until about the 75th minute when he mis-controlled it.) We'll be wary of all their threats and they'll be wary of all of ours. But let's hope they're not ;-) Ex-pat Arnie

3:30pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
AGT999 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Brendanp64 wrote:
Same team as Saturday but lua lua on instead of March and Buckley on the bench
March was many people's (inc Andy naylor) MoM on Saturday. Do you think he needs a rest or did you not think he played well?
LL never does it for me when he starts, at his best as an impact sub, Solly hit the ground running against Donny. I would start with Solly then hit them with LL in the secon half.
Hi Bro.
Yeah there isn't a real need to make changes unless Oscar wants to a tactical change to help counter the threat from McCormack, does Kaz have better pace than Solly, so might this help when it comes to chasing back, I don't know. We need to play as we did against Leicester, create pressure high up the park and have them worry about us more than we worry about Mack.
That's a good point actually. I have yet to see March live so don't know what his tracking back is like. Anyone?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brendanp64[/bold] wrote: Same team as Saturday but lua lua on instead of March and Buckley on the bench[/p][/quote]March was many people's (inc Andy naylor) MoM on Saturday. Do you think he needs a rest or did you not think he played well?[/p][/quote]LL never does it for me when he starts, at his best as an impact sub, Solly hit the ground running against Donny. I would start with Solly then hit them with LL in the secon half.[/p][/quote]Hi Bro. Yeah there isn't a real need to make changes unless Oscar wants to a tactical change to help counter the threat from McCormack, does Kaz have better pace than Solly, so might this help when it comes to chasing back, I don't know. We need to play as we did against Leicester, create pressure high up the park and have them worry about us more than we worry about Mack.[/p][/quote]That's a good point actually. I have yet to see March live so don't know what his tracking back is like. Anyone? Ex-pat Arnie

3:45pm Tue 11 Feb 14

AGT999 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
AGT999 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Brendanp64 wrote:
Same team as Saturday but lua lua on instead of March and Buckley on the bench
March was many people's (inc Andy naylor) MoM on Saturday. Do you think he needs a rest or did you not think he played well?
LL never does it for me when he starts, at his best as an impact sub, Solly hit the ground running against Donny. I would start with Solly then hit them with LL in the secon half.
Hi Bro.
Yeah there isn't a real need to make changes unless Oscar wants to a tactical change to help counter the threat from McCormack, does Kaz have better pace than Solly, so might this help when it comes to chasing back, I don't know. We need to play as we did against Leicester, create pressure high up the park and have them worry about us more than we worry about Mack.
forgot to ask, was that you I saw in the fans gallery photos, I did mention it yesterday but you didn't reply, I figured that you didn't see my question.
if you mean the Donny game, no, not me..
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brendanp64[/bold] wrote: Same team as Saturday but lua lua on instead of March and Buckley on the bench[/p][/quote]March was many people's (inc Andy naylor) MoM on Saturday. Do you think he needs a rest or did you not think he played well?[/p][/quote]LL never does it for me when he starts, at his best as an impact sub, Solly hit the ground running against Donny. I would start with Solly then hit them with LL in the secon half.[/p][/quote]Hi Bro. Yeah there isn't a real need to make changes unless Oscar wants to a tactical change to help counter the threat from McCormack, does Kaz have better pace than Solly, so might this help when it comes to chasing back, I don't know. We need to play as we did against Leicester, create pressure high up the park and have them worry about us more than we worry about Mack.[/p][/quote]forgot to ask, was that you I saw in the fans gallery photos, I did mention it yesterday but you didn't reply, I figured that you didn't see my question.[/p][/quote]if you mean the Donny game, no, not me.. AGT999

3:45pm Tue 11 Feb 14

AGT999 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
AGT999 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Brendanp64 wrote:
Same team as Saturday but lua lua on instead of March and Buckley on the bench
March was many people's (inc Andy naylor) MoM on Saturday. Do you think he needs a rest or did you not think he played well?
LL never does it for me when he starts, at his best as an impact sub, Solly hit the ground running against Donny. I would start with Solly then hit them with LL in the secon half.
Hi Bro.
Yeah there isn't a real need to make changes unless Oscar wants to a tactical change to help counter the threat from McCormack, does Kaz have better pace than Solly, so might this help when it comes to chasing back, I don't know. We need to play as we did against Leicester, create pressure high up the park and have them worry about us more than we worry about Mack.
forgot to ask, was that you I saw in the fans gallery photos, I did mention it yesterday but you didn't reply, I figured that you didn't see my question.
if you mean the Donny game, no, not me..
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brendanp64[/bold] wrote: Same team as Saturday but lua lua on instead of March and Buckley on the bench[/p][/quote]March was many people's (inc Andy naylor) MoM on Saturday. Do you think he needs a rest or did you not think he played well?[/p][/quote]LL never does it for me when he starts, at his best as an impact sub, Solly hit the ground running against Donny. I would start with Solly then hit them with LL in the secon half.[/p][/quote]Hi Bro. Yeah there isn't a real need to make changes unless Oscar wants to a tactical change to help counter the threat from McCormack, does Kaz have better pace than Solly, so might this help when it comes to chasing back, I don't know. We need to play as we did against Leicester, create pressure high up the park and have them worry about us more than we worry about Mack.[/p][/quote]forgot to ask, was that you I saw in the fans gallery photos, I did mention it yesterday but you didn't reply, I figured that you didn't see my question.[/p][/quote]if you mean the Donny game, no, not me.. AGT999

3:49pm Tue 11 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

Bummer, I was sure it was you, but the tinted glasses did make me wonder.
Bummer, I was sure it was you, but the tinted glasses did make me wonder. VegasSeagull

3:59pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Steveg1958 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Steveg1958 wrote:
elljam wrote:
Have to agree with a lot of these comments & Greer must be in last chance saloon. I'm sick of his deep defending, dragging the midfield back with him & therefore leaving Ulloa isolated . Dunk is a viable option as he is quicker & just as comfy on the ball.
Would like to see Orlandi left on the pitch for longer as Oscar seems reluctant to play him for more than 60 mins. Given an extended chance in that central role he can be the creative midfielder we have lacked this season.
March has his moments but quite often slows the attacks down by checking back inside & needs to be more direct. LuaLua is more dangerous but his reluctance to get in the box when the ball is on the opposite flank needs addressing as it seems he only wants to receive the ball at least 30 yards from goal.
Would persevere with Rodriguez as I must have seen him make at least 15 dangerous runs against Doncaster without receiving the ball due to our reluctance of looking forward when in possession (another of Greers faults).

Kusczak
Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward
Ince,
Stephens
Rodriguez, Orlandi, LuaLua
Ulloa
Best Post of the day, Rodriguez's runs off the shoulder of defenders went completely un-noticed too many times against Donny, if we had not had the ingrained defensive tactics in certain players (Greer the worst culprit), he could have been played in on more than one occasion. Please can NJ and OG tell whoever they play in the middle to look forwards for once instead of sideways and backwards.
You're saying it's Greer's fault that Rodriguez wasn't played in? Surely it's not the centre back's job.
No Expat, I am saying that Greer was the worst culprit in not playing the ball forward quicker ! he was by no means the only candidate for that, all I was saying is that Rodriguez made a number of runs off the shoulder of the last defender and was mostly ignored, because our defence ./ midfield are so so used to playing sideways or backwards. If Rodriguez plays tonight, try watching what he does off the ball and when it could have been played to him.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: Have to agree with a lot of these comments & Greer must be in last chance saloon. I'm sick of his deep defending, dragging the midfield back with him & therefore leaving Ulloa isolated . Dunk is a viable option as he is quicker & just as comfy on the ball. Would like to see Orlandi left on the pitch for longer as Oscar seems reluctant to play him for more than 60 mins. Given an extended chance in that central role he can be the creative midfielder we have lacked this season. March has his moments but quite often slows the attacks down by checking back inside & needs to be more direct. LuaLua is more dangerous but his reluctance to get in the box when the ball is on the opposite flank needs addressing as it seems he only wants to receive the ball at least 30 yards from goal. Would persevere with Rodriguez as I must have seen him make at least 15 dangerous runs against Doncaster without receiving the ball due to our reluctance of looking forward when in possession (another of Greers faults). Kusczak Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward Ince, Stephens Rodriguez, Orlandi, LuaLua Ulloa[/p][/quote]Best Post of the day, Rodriguez's runs off the shoulder of defenders went completely un-noticed too many times against Donny, if we had not had the ingrained defensive tactics in certain players (Greer the worst culprit), he could have been played in on more than one occasion. Please can NJ and OG tell whoever they play in the middle to look forwards for once instead of sideways and backwards.[/p][/quote]You're saying it's Greer's fault that Rodriguez wasn't played in? Surely it's not the centre back's job.[/p][/quote]No Expat, I am saying that Greer was the worst culprit in not playing the ball forward quicker ! he was by no means the only candidate for that, all I was saying is that Rodriguez made a number of runs off the shoulder of the last defender and was mostly ignored, because our defence ./ midfield are so so used to playing sideways or backwards. If Rodriguez plays tonight, try watching what he does off the ball and when it could have been played to him. Steveg1958

4:09pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Steveg1958 says...

WestStander17 wrote:
Steveg1958 wrote:
elljam wrote:
Have to agree with a lot of these comments & Greer must be in last chance saloon. I'm sick of his deep defending, dragging the midfield back with him & therefore leaving Ulloa isolated . Dunk is a viable option as he is quicker & just as comfy on the ball.
Would like to see Orlandi left on the pitch for longer as Oscar seems reluctant to play him for more than 60 mins. Given an extended chance in that central role he can be the creative midfielder we have lacked this season.
March has his moments but quite often slows the attacks down by checking back inside & needs to be more direct. LuaLua is more dangerous but his reluctance to get in the box when the ball is on the opposite flank needs addressing as it seems he only wants to receive the ball at least 30 yards from goal.
Would persevere with Rodriguez as I must have seen him make at least 15 dangerous runs against Doncaster without receiving the ball due to our reluctance of looking forward when in possession (another of Greers faults).

Kusczak
Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward
Ince,
Stephens
Rodriguez, Orlandi, LuaLua
Ulloa
Best Post of the day, Rodriguez's runs off the shoulder of defenders went completely un-noticed too many times against Donny, if we had not had the ingrained defensive tactics in certain players (Greer the worst culprit), he could have been played in on more than one occasion. Please can NJ and OG tell whoever they play in the middle to look forwards for once instead of sideways and backwards.
I don't think its a case of not looking forwards, I think that will be the 1st thing they look to do but, with keeping possession in mind, if they think its a risky pass, they find a safer one. That decision is the difficult one. Its what makes the great midfielders great.

Bruno is actually the player that tries riskier forward passes than anyone else which is why playing him in midfield was a decent idea. But, he also probably gives the ball away more than most.

What we must refrain from, as supporters, is getting frustrated by a lack of forward passes but also moaning when the ball is given away. Its a very fine balance.

On Saturday, Doncaster were playing a very high line and Rodders was looking for that ball over the top, you are right. But, the player on the ball must very quickly weigh up the risk/reward of playing each pass. We don't really have a player that sprays killer passes around, its what we lack, IMO. Vicente could do it at the drop of a hat and, if he plays next week, we will see Huddlestone spray the ball around but we don't really have that player at the moment.
Good points well made, Bruno as you say likes to go forward more and I can see why he was tried in midfield, its a shame that we don't have a player with the vision and ability of Vicente, its a shame that for whatever reason e didn't get more game time last year, was he fit or not, ? we will never know now, but Oh how I wish we had a player of that quality now. It is a fine balance between keeping the ball and trying something a bit more risky, I guess that's what is the difference between players who have played at the very top, ie Champions League and Multiple international caps, and Championship journeymen ! so with FFP we have to live with it suppose,
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: Have to agree with a lot of these comments & Greer must be in last chance saloon. I'm sick of his deep defending, dragging the midfield back with him & therefore leaving Ulloa isolated . Dunk is a viable option as he is quicker & just as comfy on the ball. Would like to see Orlandi left on the pitch for longer as Oscar seems reluctant to play him for more than 60 mins. Given an extended chance in that central role he can be the creative midfielder we have lacked this season. March has his moments but quite often slows the attacks down by checking back inside & needs to be more direct. LuaLua is more dangerous but his reluctance to get in the box when the ball is on the opposite flank needs addressing as it seems he only wants to receive the ball at least 30 yards from goal. Would persevere with Rodriguez as I must have seen him make at least 15 dangerous runs against Doncaster without receiving the ball due to our reluctance of looking forward when in possession (another of Greers faults). Kusczak Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward Ince, Stephens Rodriguez, Orlandi, LuaLua Ulloa[/p][/quote]Best Post of the day, Rodriguez's runs off the shoulder of defenders went completely un-noticed too many times against Donny, if we had not had the ingrained defensive tactics in certain players (Greer the worst culprit), he could have been played in on more than one occasion. Please can NJ and OG tell whoever they play in the middle to look forwards for once instead of sideways and backwards.[/p][/quote]I don't think its a case of not looking forwards, I think that will be the 1st thing they look to do but, with keeping possession in mind, if they think its a risky pass, they find a safer one. That decision is the difficult one. Its what makes the great midfielders great. Bruno is actually the player that tries riskier forward passes than anyone else which is why playing him in midfield was a decent idea. But, he also probably gives the ball away more than most. What we must refrain from, as supporters, is getting frustrated by a lack of forward passes but also moaning when the ball is given away. Its a very fine balance. On Saturday, Doncaster were playing a very high line and Rodders was looking for that ball over the top, you are right. But, the player on the ball must very quickly weigh up the risk/reward of playing each pass. We don't really have a player that sprays killer passes around, its what we lack, IMO. Vicente could do it at the drop of a hat and, if he plays next week, we will see Huddlestone spray the ball around but we don't really have that player at the moment.[/p][/quote]Good points well made, Bruno as you say likes to go forward more and I can see why he was tried in midfield, its a shame that we don't have a player with the vision and ability of Vicente, its a shame that for whatever reason e didn't get more game time last year, was he fit or not, ? we will never know now, but Oh how I wish we had a player of that quality now. It is a fine balance between keeping the ball and trying something a bit more risky, I guess that's what is the difference between players who have played at the very top, ie Champions League and Multiple international caps, and Championship journeymen ! so with FFP we have to live with it suppose, Steveg1958

5:05pm Tue 11 Feb 14

WestStander17 says...

Steveg1958 wrote:
WestStander17 wrote:
Steveg1958 wrote:
elljam wrote:
Have to agree with a lot of these comments & Greer must be in last chance saloon. I'm sick of his deep defending, dragging the midfield back with him & therefore leaving Ulloa isolated . Dunk is a viable option as he is quicker & just as comfy on the ball.
Would like to see Orlandi left on the pitch for longer as Oscar seems reluctant to play him for more than 60 mins. Given an extended chance in that central role he can be the creative midfielder we have lacked this season.
March has his moments but quite often slows the attacks down by checking back inside & needs to be more direct. LuaLua is more dangerous but his reluctance to get in the box when the ball is on the opposite flank needs addressing as it seems he only wants to receive the ball at least 30 yards from goal.
Would persevere with Rodriguez as I must have seen him make at least 15 dangerous runs against Doncaster without receiving the ball due to our reluctance of looking forward when in possession (another of Greers faults).

Kusczak
Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward
Ince,
Stephens
Rodriguez, Orlandi, LuaLua
Ulloa
Best Post of the day, Rodriguez's runs off the shoulder of defenders went completely un-noticed too many times against Donny, if we had not had the ingrained defensive tactics in certain players (Greer the worst culprit), he could have been played in on more than one occasion. Please can NJ and OG tell whoever they play in the middle to look forwards for once instead of sideways and backwards.
I don't think its a case of not looking forwards, I think that will be the 1st thing they look to do but, with keeping possession in mind, if they think its a risky pass, they find a safer one. That decision is the difficult one. Its what makes the great midfielders great.

Bruno is actually the player that tries riskier forward passes than anyone else which is why playing him in midfield was a decent idea. But, he also probably gives the ball away more than most.

What we must refrain from, as supporters, is getting frustrated by a lack of forward passes but also moaning when the ball is given away. Its a very fine balance.

On Saturday, Doncaster were playing a very high line and Rodders was looking for that ball over the top, you are right. But, the player on the ball must very quickly weigh up the risk/reward of playing each pass. We don't really have a player that sprays killer passes around, its what we lack, IMO. Vicente could do it at the drop of a hat and, if he plays next week, we will see Huddlestone spray the ball around but we don't really have that player at the moment.
Good points well made, Bruno as you say likes to go forward more and I can see why he was tried in midfield, its a shame that we don't have a player with the vision and ability of Vicente, its a shame that for whatever reason e didn't get more game time last year, was he fit or not, ? we will never know now, but Oh how I wish we had a player of that quality now. It is a fine balance between keeping the ball and trying something a bit more risky, I guess that's what is the difference between players who have played at the very top, ie Champions League and Multiple international caps, and Championship journeymen ! so with FFP we have to live with it suppose,
Afraid so. Top players make those decisions so quickly and complete the riskier passes more often than not. We were spoilt with just the short glimpse we got of Vicente. It seems daft that there is someone of that ability out there not playing for anyone.

There aren't many players around outside the Premier League in England that can do that sort of thing. A few of our players could play the odd killer pass but not on such a regular basis.
[quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: Have to agree with a lot of these comments & Greer must be in last chance saloon. I'm sick of his deep defending, dragging the midfield back with him & therefore leaving Ulloa isolated . Dunk is a viable option as he is quicker & just as comfy on the ball. Would like to see Orlandi left on the pitch for longer as Oscar seems reluctant to play him for more than 60 mins. Given an extended chance in that central role he can be the creative midfielder we have lacked this season. March has his moments but quite often slows the attacks down by checking back inside & needs to be more direct. LuaLua is more dangerous but his reluctance to get in the box when the ball is on the opposite flank needs addressing as it seems he only wants to receive the ball at least 30 yards from goal. Would persevere with Rodriguez as I must have seen him make at least 15 dangerous runs against Doncaster without receiving the ball due to our reluctance of looking forward when in possession (another of Greers faults). Kusczak Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward Ince, Stephens Rodriguez, Orlandi, LuaLua Ulloa[/p][/quote]Best Post of the day, Rodriguez's runs off the shoulder of defenders went completely un-noticed too many times against Donny, if we had not had the ingrained defensive tactics in certain players (Greer the worst culprit), he could have been played in on more than one occasion. Please can NJ and OG tell whoever they play in the middle to look forwards for once instead of sideways and backwards.[/p][/quote]I don't think its a case of not looking forwards, I think that will be the 1st thing they look to do but, with keeping possession in mind, if they think its a risky pass, they find a safer one. That decision is the difficult one. Its what makes the great midfielders great. Bruno is actually the player that tries riskier forward passes than anyone else which is why playing him in midfield was a decent idea. But, he also probably gives the ball away more than most. What we must refrain from, as supporters, is getting frustrated by a lack of forward passes but also moaning when the ball is given away. Its a very fine balance. On Saturday, Doncaster were playing a very high line and Rodders was looking for that ball over the top, you are right. But, the player on the ball must very quickly weigh up the risk/reward of playing each pass. We don't really have a player that sprays killer passes around, its what we lack, IMO. Vicente could do it at the drop of a hat and, if he plays next week, we will see Huddlestone spray the ball around but we don't really have that player at the moment.[/p][/quote]Good points well made, Bruno as you say likes to go forward more and I can see why he was tried in midfield, its a shame that we don't have a player with the vision and ability of Vicente, its a shame that for whatever reason e didn't get more game time last year, was he fit or not, ? we will never know now, but Oh how I wish we had a player of that quality now. It is a fine balance between keeping the ball and trying something a bit more risky, I guess that's what is the difference between players who have played at the very top, ie Champions League and Multiple international caps, and Championship journeymen ! so with FFP we have to live with it suppose,[/p][/quote]Afraid so. Top players make those decisions so quickly and complete the riskier passes more often than not. We were spoilt with just the short glimpse we got of Vicente. It seems daft that there is someone of that ability out there not playing for anyone. There aren't many players around outside the Premier League in England that can do that sort of thing. A few of our players could play the odd killer pass but not on such a regular basis. WestStander17

5:13pm Tue 11 Feb 14

WestStander17 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
AGT999 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Brendanp64 wrote:
Same team as Saturday but lua lua on instead of March and Buckley on the bench
March was many people's (inc Andy naylor) MoM on Saturday. Do you think he needs a rest or did you not think he played well?
LL never does it for me when he starts, at his best as an impact sub, Solly hit the ground running against Donny. I would start with Solly then hit them with LL in the secon half.
Hi Bro.
Yeah there isn't a real need to make changes unless Oscar wants to a tactical change to help counter the threat from McCormack, does Kaz have better pace than Solly, so might this help when it comes to chasing back, I don't know. We need to play as we did against Leicester, create pressure high up the park and have them worry about us more than we worry about Mack.
That's a good point actually. I have yet to see March live so don't know what his tracking back is like. Anyone?
He puts in a good shift. He's not as quick as Lua Lua or Buckley but, IMHO, he is technically better than both of them. He is also very strong for such a slightly built player. He played a short spell in central midfield on Saturday and looked good too. He looks very comfortable on the ball, much more so than the 2 speedsters.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brendanp64[/bold] wrote: Same team as Saturday but lua lua on instead of March and Buckley on the bench[/p][/quote]March was many people's (inc Andy naylor) MoM on Saturday. Do you think he needs a rest or did you not think he played well?[/p][/quote]LL never does it for me when he starts, at his best as an impact sub, Solly hit the ground running against Donny. I would start with Solly then hit them with LL in the secon half.[/p][/quote]Hi Bro. Yeah there isn't a real need to make changes unless Oscar wants to a tactical change to help counter the threat from McCormack, does Kaz have better pace than Solly, so might this help when it comes to chasing back, I don't know. We need to play as we did against Leicester, create pressure high up the park and have them worry about us more than we worry about Mack.[/p][/quote]That's a good point actually. I have yet to see March live so don't know what his tracking back is like. Anyone?[/p][/quote]He puts in a good shift. He's not as quick as Lua Lua or Buckley but, IMHO, he is technically better than both of them. He is also very strong for such a slightly built player. He played a short spell in central midfield on Saturday and looked good too. He looks very comfortable on the ball, much more so than the 2 speedsters. WestStander17

5:16pm Tue 11 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

WestStander, I can only assume that Vicente has decided to call it a day, maybe his last injury was the one that made up his mind. As you say it would be daft for him not to play for someone, anyone, if he were fit and able, I am sure there is a club somewhere in this world that would take him.
WestStander, I can only assume that Vicente has decided to call it a day, maybe his last injury was the one that made up his mind. As you say it would be daft for him not to play for someone, anyone, if he were fit and able, I am sure there is a club somewhere in this world that would take him. VegasSeagull

5:23pm Tue 11 Feb 14

WestStander17 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
WestStander, I can only assume that Vicente has decided to call it a day, maybe his last injury was the one that made up his mind. As you say it would be daft for him not to play for someone, anyone, if he were fit and able, I am sure there is a club somewhere in this world that would take him.
Us for one!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: WestStander, I can only assume that Vicente has decided to call it a day, maybe his last injury was the one that made up his mind. As you say it would be daft for him not to play for someone, anyone, if he were fit and able, I am sure there is a club somewhere in this world that would take him.[/p][/quote]Us for one! WestStander17

5:24pm Tue 11 Feb 14

falmer seagull says...

The best player for noticing 'runs' is Agustien! March should start! Agree we need to get players looking for runs, it's obvious in West Stand Upper but obviously more difficult to spot at pitch level!

These are observations. I'll leave the team to Oscar.
I was so optimistic on hearing Saturdays team selection, but was deflated after the first 20 minutes.
The best player for noticing 'runs' is Agustien! March should start! Agree we need to get players looking for runs, it's obvious in West Stand Upper but obviously more difficult to spot at pitch level! These are observations. I'll leave the team to Oscar. I was so optimistic on hearing Saturdays team selection, but was deflated after the first 20 minutes. falmer seagull

5:50pm Tue 11 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

WestStander17 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
WestStander, I can only assume that Vicente has decided to call it a day, maybe his last injury was the one that made up his mind. As you say it would be daft for him not to play for someone, anyone, if he were fit and able, I am sure there is a club somewhere in this world that would take him.
Us for one!
I am thinking that your, 'us for one,' was a personal opinion as I doubt that Oscar would go for it. There are distinct signs that we are looking to reduce the average age of the squad, and I think that trend will continue come the summer break. The retain and let go lists will soon become part of the focus of the club, and as the season end approaches that focus will increase.
The idea of taking Vicente, on any terms, seems very remote even if only until the end of this season, every game he might play would leave a younger player on the bench. The Vicente playing days are gone but bringing him back to work with the coaching staff might be a good idea, the new facility might be a good niche for him.
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: WestStander, I can only assume that Vicente has decided to call it a day, maybe his last injury was the one that made up his mind. As you say it would be daft for him not to play for someone, anyone, if he were fit and able, I am sure there is a club somewhere in this world that would take him.[/p][/quote]Us for one![/p][/quote]I am thinking that your, 'us for one,' was a personal opinion as I doubt that Oscar would go for it. There are distinct signs that we are looking to reduce the average age of the squad, and I think that trend will continue come the summer break. The retain and let go lists will soon become part of the focus of the club, and as the season end approaches that focus will increase. The idea of taking Vicente, on any terms, seems very remote even if only until the end of this season, every game he might play would leave a younger player on the bench. The Vicente playing days are gone but bringing him back to work with the coaching staff might be a good idea, the new facility might be a good niche for him. VegasSeagull

6:04pm Tue 11 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

Two very good interviews with Barber and no comments from those on here, or did I just miss them.
Two very good interviews with Barber and no comments from those on here, or did I just miss them. VegasSeagull

9:53am Wed 12 Feb 14

elljam says...

Steveg1958 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Steveg1958 wrote:
elljam wrote:
Have to agree with a lot of these comments & Greer must be in last chance saloon. I'm sick of his deep defending, dragging the midfield back with him & therefore leaving Ulloa isolated . Dunk is a viable option as he is quicker & just as comfy on the ball.
Would like to see Orlandi left on the pitch for longer as Oscar seems reluctant to play him for more than 60 mins. Given an extended chance in that central role he can be the creative midfielder we have lacked this season.
March has his moments but quite often slows the attacks down by checking back inside & needs to be more direct. LuaLua is more dangerous but his reluctance to get in the box when the ball is on the opposite flank needs addressing as it seems he only wants to receive the ball at least 30 yards from goal.
Would persevere with Rodriguez as I must have seen him make at least 15 dangerous runs against Doncaster without receiving the ball due to our reluctance of looking forward when in possession (another of Greers faults).

Kusczak
Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward
Ince,
Stephens
Rodriguez, Orlandi, LuaLua
Ulloa
Best Post of the day, Rodriguez's runs off the shoulder of defenders went completely un-noticed too many times against Donny, if we had not had the ingrained defensive tactics in certain players (Greer the worst culprit), he could have been played in on more than one occasion. Please can NJ and OG tell whoever they play in the middle to look forwards for once instead of sideways and backwards.
You're saying it's Greer's fault that Rodriguez wasn't played in? Surely it's not the centre back's job.
No Expat, I am saying that Greer was the worst culprit in not playing the ball forward quicker ! he was by no means the only candidate for that, all I was saying is that Rodriguez made a number of runs off the shoulder of the last defender and was mostly ignored, because our defence ./ midfield are so so used to playing sideways or backwards. If Rodriguez plays tonight, try watching what he does off the ball and when it could have been played to him.
Of course it's not only Greer's fault that Rodriguez wasn't played in but most of the time it's the centre backs who have more time on the ball to look up & assess the options, whilst the midfielders are close down a lot quicker & don't always have the luxury of time to look up.
I'm all for keeping possession when it is done with a purpose & we are moving the ball quickly, therefore causing then opposition to chase shadows & lose their shape. However passing sideways/backwards for the sake of it & allowing the opponents to regroup when you have the option to play a more penetrating pass seems pointless. Sometimes I would rather risk losing the ball in the opponents half if there was a possibility to create a goal-scoring chance.

At the moment we are barely creating anything in front of goal because of this safety-first football.
[quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: Have to agree with a lot of these comments & Greer must be in last chance saloon. I'm sick of his deep defending, dragging the midfield back with him & therefore leaving Ulloa isolated . Dunk is a viable option as he is quicker & just as comfy on the ball. Would like to see Orlandi left on the pitch for longer as Oscar seems reluctant to play him for more than 60 mins. Given an extended chance in that central role he can be the creative midfielder we have lacked this season. March has his moments but quite often slows the attacks down by checking back inside & needs to be more direct. LuaLua is more dangerous but his reluctance to get in the box when the ball is on the opposite flank needs addressing as it seems he only wants to receive the ball at least 30 yards from goal. Would persevere with Rodriguez as I must have seen him make at least 15 dangerous runs against Doncaster without receiving the ball due to our reluctance of looking forward when in possession (another of Greers faults). Kusczak Bruno, Dunk, Upson, Ward Ince, Stephens Rodriguez, Orlandi, LuaLua Ulloa[/p][/quote]Best Post of the day, Rodriguez's runs off the shoulder of defenders went completely un-noticed too many times against Donny, if we had not had the ingrained defensive tactics in certain players (Greer the worst culprit), he could have been played in on more than one occasion. Please can NJ and OG tell whoever they play in the middle to look forwards for once instead of sideways and backwards.[/p][/quote]You're saying it's Greer's fault that Rodriguez wasn't played in? Surely it's not the centre back's job.[/p][/quote]No Expat, I am saying that Greer was the worst culprit in not playing the ball forward quicker ! he was by no means the only candidate for that, all I was saying is that Rodriguez made a number of runs off the shoulder of the last defender and was mostly ignored, because our defence ./ midfield are so so used to playing sideways or backwards. If Rodriguez plays tonight, try watching what he does off the ball and when it could have been played to him.[/p][/quote]Of course it's not only Greer's fault that Rodriguez wasn't played in but most of the time it's the centre backs who have more time on the ball to look up & assess the options, whilst the midfielders are close down a lot quicker & don't always have the luxury of time to look up. I'm all for keeping possession when it is done with a purpose & we are moving the ball quickly, therefore causing then opposition to chase shadows & lose their shape. However passing sideways/backwards for the sake of it & allowing the opponents to regroup when you have the option to play a more penetrating pass seems pointless. Sometimes I would rather risk losing the ball in the opponents half if there was a possibility to create a goal-scoring chance. At the moment we are barely creating anything in front of goal because of this safety-first football. elljam

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