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Your chance to quiz Albion's Paul Barber

The Argus: Paul Barber Paul Barber

You’ve read from Albion Chief Executive Paul Barber about the club’s journey to become Premier League ready and its plans for the future.

Now the Argus is giving you the chance to quiz him about the issues you want to hear more about.

Would you like to hear about standing in stadiums? The club’s debts? Financial Fair Play? Or something else entirely?

On Friday, you will have the chance to do just that.

Visit The Argus website to take part in an exclusive live webchat with Mr Barber, which will be simultaneously livestreamed onto our site.

You can either email your questions ahead to peter.truman@theargus.co.uk, tweet them to @albionnews, or simply comment here, or on the webchat itself once it’s up and running.

The webchat will start at 1pm on Friday at www.theargus.co.uk/albion.

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4:06pm Wed 19 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ?
Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,
Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ? Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer, mark by the sea
  • Score: -8

4:52pm Wed 19 Feb 14

fan since 61 says...

You can take a horse to water but you cannot make him drink it, Barns a good example, If the players demands mean we contravene the FPP we are
stuck. I,m sure Thomas and Matt will be offered the best terms we can afford but if they, or their agents want more we are knackered Sadly as like many others I am sure some clubs are taking the mike out of FPP and will pay whatever it takes to get their services.
You can take a horse to water but you cannot make him drink it, Barns a good example, If the players demands mean we contravene the FPP we are stuck. I,m sure Thomas and Matt will be offered the best terms we can afford but if they, or their agents want more we are knackered Sadly as like many others I am sure some clubs are taking the mike out of FPP and will pay whatever it takes to get their services. fan since 61
  • Score: 5

5:01pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Baldseagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ?
Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,
Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ? Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse? Baldseagull
  • Score: 0

5:19pm Wed 19 Feb 14

ballantrrae says...

I would be interested to know what form of penalty Paul Barber thinks might be the most effective punishment for clubs breaking the FFP rules. Whilst I think transfer embargos and fines might be in order for clubs who only just don't comply (say are £250,000 outside their 'allowed' budget) I don't think they offer sufficient deterrent to clubs who breach the rules substantially. Would say a large points deduction be more effective ?
I appreciate how this might be applied would be problematic to say the least eg is it applied to the 'current' season or to the season in which the breach occurred ?
I like Mark by the Sea would be interested to hear whether in general terms progress is being made on the club securing players such as Upson and Kuscszak on new extended contracts as well as securing loanees like Ward permanently.
What do other posters think about these two issues ?
I would be interested to know what form of penalty Paul Barber thinks might be the most effective punishment for clubs breaking the FFP rules. Whilst I think transfer embargos and fines might be in order for clubs who only just don't comply (say are £250,000 outside their 'allowed' budget) I don't think they offer sufficient deterrent to clubs who breach the rules substantially. Would say a large points deduction be more effective ? I appreciate how this might be applied would be problematic to say the least eg is it applied to the 'current' season or to the season in which the breach occurred ? I like Mark by the Sea would be interested to hear whether in general terms progress is being made on the club securing players such as Upson and Kuscszak on new extended contracts as well as securing loanees like Ward permanently. What do other posters think about these two issues ? ballantrrae
  • Score: 7

5:42pm Wed 19 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Baldseagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ?
Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,
Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?
I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ? Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?[/p][/quote]I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them? mark by the sea
  • Score: 10

5:52pm Wed 19 Feb 14

albionbloke says...

ballantrrae wrote:
I would be interested to know what form of penalty Paul Barber thinks might be the most effective punishment for clubs breaking the FFP rules. Whilst I think transfer embargos and fines might be in order for clubs who only just don't comply (say are £250,000 outside their 'allowed' budget) I don't think they offer sufficient deterrent to clubs who breach the rules substantially. Would say a large points deduction be more effective ?
I appreciate how this might be applied would be problematic to say the least eg is it applied to the 'current' season or to the season in which the breach occurred ?
I like Mark by the Sea would be interested to hear whether in general terms progress is being made on the club securing players such as Upson and Kuscszak on new extended contracts as well as securing loanees like Ward permanently.
What do other posters think about these two issues ?
Ballantrea.....I think an 'effective' punishment would be (a) points deduction of (minimum) 10 points, (b) transfer embargo for at least 2 transfer windows, (c) no loan players allowed in for at least 6 months and (d) a hefty fine. But would the FA have the balls to enact that? I somehow doubt it.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: I would be interested to know what form of penalty Paul Barber thinks might be the most effective punishment for clubs breaking the FFP rules. Whilst I think transfer embargos and fines might be in order for clubs who only just don't comply (say are £250,000 outside their 'allowed' budget) I don't think they offer sufficient deterrent to clubs who breach the rules substantially. Would say a large points deduction be more effective ? I appreciate how this might be applied would be problematic to say the least eg is it applied to the 'current' season or to the season in which the breach occurred ? I like Mark by the Sea would be interested to hear whether in general terms progress is being made on the club securing players such as Upson and Kuscszak on new extended contracts as well as securing loanees like Ward permanently. What do other posters think about these two issues ?[/p][/quote]Ballantrea.....I think an 'effective' punishment would be (a) points deduction of (minimum) 10 points, (b) transfer embargo for at least 2 transfer windows, (c) no loan players allowed in for at least 6 months and (d) a hefty fine. But would the FA have the balls to enact that? I somehow doubt it. albionbloke
  • Score: 14

6:10pm Wed 19 Feb 14

rolivan says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Baldseagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ?
Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,
Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?
I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?
I think these questions should be aimed at Agents rather than Players as they are the ones that sort out the deals.Like Liam Bridcutt who has the same Agent as Gus Poyet and it would have been the Agent doing the deal once Gus told the Agent he wanted Liam.TK will be the main concern as I am sure there will be clubs who will be putting out the feelers.I met him on Christmas day with His Wife and child in Church Rd he seems to like the City and I hope his wife is settled here. As for Matty Upson I don't think he is in any hurry to leave.I think OG will bring in the players he needs for a big push next year as I think he needed this year to steady the ship.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ? Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?[/p][/quote]I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?[/p][/quote]I think these questions should be aimed at Agents rather than Players as they are the ones that sort out the deals.Like Liam Bridcutt who has the same Agent as Gus Poyet and it would have been the Agent doing the deal once Gus told the Agent he wanted Liam.TK will be the main concern as I am sure there will be clubs who will be putting out the feelers.I met him on Christmas day with His Wife and child in Church Rd he seems to like the City and I hope his wife is settled here. As for Matty Upson I don't think he is in any hurry to leave.I think OG will bring in the players he needs for a big push next year as I think he needed this year to steady the ship. rolivan
  • Score: 5

6:49pm Wed 19 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Baldseagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ?
Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,
Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?
I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?
I think these questions should be aimed at Agents rather than Players as they are the ones that sort out the deals.Like Liam Bridcutt who has the same Agent as Gus Poyet and it would have been the Agent doing the deal once Gus told the Agent he wanted Liam.TK will be the main concern as I am sure there will be clubs who will be putting out the feelers.I met him on Christmas day with His Wife and child in Church Rd he seems to like the City and I hope his wife is settled here. As for Matty Upson I don't think he is in any hurry to leave.I think OG will bring in the players he needs for a big push next year as I think he needed this year to steady the ship.
Talking of bridcutt, I was told he refused to play for the first team and was a unsettling problem in the squad , reported 3.5 million with add ons,
Yes it's with the agents, but losing either player will cost more! TK is worth £750 all day, and upson the best centre back in this division , just trying to find a player of that calibre would not be easy, signing one almost impossible.
We could spend 1.5 million replacing them with poorer quality.. Agents have there jobs to do,
All I hope was bridcutt did not get his 10% from the transfer.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ? Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?[/p][/quote]I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?[/p][/quote]I think these questions should be aimed at Agents rather than Players as they are the ones that sort out the deals.Like Liam Bridcutt who has the same Agent as Gus Poyet and it would have been the Agent doing the deal once Gus told the Agent he wanted Liam.TK will be the main concern as I am sure there will be clubs who will be putting out the feelers.I met him on Christmas day with His Wife and child in Church Rd he seems to like the City and I hope his wife is settled here. As for Matty Upson I don't think he is in any hurry to leave.I think OG will bring in the players he needs for a big push next year as I think he needed this year to steady the ship.[/p][/quote]Talking of bridcutt, I was told he refused to play for the first team and was a unsettling problem in the squad , reported 3.5 million with add ons, Yes it's with the agents, but losing either player will cost more! TK is worth £750 all day, and upson the best centre back in this division , just trying to find a player of that calibre would not be easy, signing one almost impossible. We could spend 1.5 million replacing them with poorer quality.. Agents have there jobs to do, All I hope was bridcutt did not get his 10% from the transfer. mark by the sea
  • Score: 6

6:50pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Clean Sheet says...

MBTS, you make a good point. While some of our squad will clearly not make the PL, both TK and MU will be great, having been there before, not so long ago. We should tie them into longer deals now, MU maybe for 1 year, TK for longer.
MBTS, you make a good point. While some of our squad will clearly not make the PL, both TK and MU will be great, having been there before, not so long ago. We should tie them into longer deals now, MU maybe for 1 year, TK for longer. Clean Sheet
  • Score: 7

7:33pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Dunk 2 blame says...

mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Baldseagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ?
Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,
Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?
I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?
I think these questions should be aimed at Agents rather than Players as they are the ones that sort out the deals.Like Liam Bridcutt who has the same Agent as Gus Poyet and it would have been the Agent doing the deal once Gus told the Agent he wanted Liam.TK will be the main concern as I am sure there will be clubs who will be putting out the feelers.I met him on Christmas day with His Wife and child in Church Rd he seems to like the City and I hope his wife is settled here. As for Matty Upson I don't think he is in any hurry to leave.I think OG will bring in the players he needs for a big push next year as I think he needed this year to steady the ship.
Talking of bridcutt, I was told he refused to play for the first team and was a unsettling problem in the squad , reported 3.5 million with add ons,
Yes it's with the agents, but losing either player will cost more! TK is worth £750 all day, and upson the best centre back in this division , just trying to find a player of that calibre would not be easy, signing one almost impossible.
We could spend 1.5 million replacing them with poorer quality.. Agents have there jobs to do,
All I hope was bridcutt did not get his 10% from the transfer.
Outstanding post yet again MBTS.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ? Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?[/p][/quote]I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?[/p][/quote]I think these questions should be aimed at Agents rather than Players as they are the ones that sort out the deals.Like Liam Bridcutt who has the same Agent as Gus Poyet and it would have been the Agent doing the deal once Gus told the Agent he wanted Liam.TK will be the main concern as I am sure there will be clubs who will be putting out the feelers.I met him on Christmas day with His Wife and child in Church Rd he seems to like the City and I hope his wife is settled here. As for Matty Upson I don't think he is in any hurry to leave.I think OG will bring in the players he needs for a big push next year as I think he needed this year to steady the ship.[/p][/quote]Talking of bridcutt, I was told he refused to play for the first team and was a unsettling problem in the squad , reported 3.5 million with add ons, Yes it's with the agents, but losing either player will cost more! TK is worth £750 all day, and upson the best centre back in this division , just trying to find a player of that calibre would not be easy, signing one almost impossible. We could spend 1.5 million replacing them with poorer quality.. Agents have there jobs to do, All I hope was bridcutt did not get his 10% from the transfer.[/p][/quote]Outstanding post yet again MBTS. Dunk 2 blame
  • Score: -5

8:16pm Wed 19 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

Bridcutt would not have got his 10% due to the fact that he requested a transfer.

As I understand it the fines could be pound for pound regarding over spend. If that happens, some of the big spenders will find it hard to pay a hefty fine and sign new players, oh yeah, and they would still have to reduce their losses, a fine would hurt.

A points deduction, IMHO, doesn't hurt as much as a big fine and or a transfer embargo. A ten point deduction for a coming season would probably ruin any chance of promotion for that year, but that year could be seen as a rebuild year. A points deduction coupled with a fine would be more effective as it would hinder a rebuild.

The main thing we all need to remember is, who ever gets what ever punishment, these clubs will have to fall in line, they will have to cut their losses after the punishment has been applied. It could take a few of the clubs years to straighten things out. A massive fine would, by it's very existence, act as a transfer embargo all by it's self. The only way a club can pay a fine and cut losses is to cut costs, that means offloading players and replacing them with lower cost ones, and that means selling their gems.
Bridcutt would not have got his 10% due to the fact that he requested a transfer. As I understand it the fines could be pound for pound regarding over spend. If that happens, some of the big spenders will find it hard to pay a hefty fine and sign new players, oh yeah, and they would still have to reduce their losses, a fine would hurt. A points deduction, IMHO, doesn't hurt as much as a big fine and or a transfer embargo. A ten point deduction for a coming season would probably ruin any chance of promotion for that year, but that year could be seen as a rebuild year. A points deduction coupled with a fine would be more effective as it would hinder a rebuild. The main thing we all need to remember is, who ever gets what ever punishment, these clubs will have to fall in line, they will have to cut their losses after the punishment has been applied. It could take a few of the clubs years to straighten things out. A massive fine would, by it's very existence, act as a transfer embargo all by it's self. The only way a club can pay a fine and cut losses is to cut costs, that means offloading players and replacing them with lower cost ones, and that means selling their gems. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

8:34pm Wed 19 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

QPR are reported to be some 60 million outside of the FFP, a pound for puns fine would be 60 million. The UK Transfer site has their squad valued at 54 million, (not to be relied on only a guide,) 16.5 million of that is loanees, so 38 million is QPR money. Sell the entire squad and they would still be 22 million short.
Getting promoted would help them as prem clubs are allowed to run at a 38 million loss. It's clubs such as QPR that would need to have a suitable punishment levied if they go up. If they fail to get promoted, well they are firmly in the crapper. I don't see how a club in debt such as being suggested for QPR, coupled with an equal sum in fines, can survive without promotion. My guess is that the club would have to be sold and the buyer pay off the debts.
QPR are reported to be some 60 million outside of the FFP, a pound for puns fine would be 60 million. The UK Transfer site has their squad valued at 54 million, (not to be relied on only a guide,) 16.5 million of that is loanees, so 38 million is QPR money. Sell the entire squad and they would still be 22 million short. Getting promoted would help them as prem clubs are allowed to run at a 38 million loss. It's clubs such as QPR that would need to have a suitable punishment levied if they go up. If they fail to get promoted, well they are firmly in the crapper. I don't see how a club in debt such as being suggested for QPR, coupled with an equal sum in fines, can survive without promotion. My guess is that the club would have to be sold and the buyer pay off the debts. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

9:46pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

Dunk 2 blame wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Baldseagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ?
Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,
Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?
I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?
I think these questions should be aimed at Agents rather than Players as they are the ones that sort out the deals.Like Liam Bridcutt who has the same Agent as Gus Poyet and it would have been the Agent doing the deal once Gus told the Agent he wanted Liam.TK will be the main concern as I am sure there will be clubs who will be putting out the feelers.I met him on Christmas day with His Wife and child in Church Rd he seems to like the City and I hope his wife is settled here. As for Matty Upson I don't think he is in any hurry to leave.I think OG will bring in the players he needs for a big push next year as I think he needed this year to steady the ship.
Talking of bridcutt, I was told he refused to play for the first team and was a unsettling problem in the squad , reported 3.5 million with add ons,
Yes it's with the agents, but losing either player will cost more! TK is worth £750 all day, and upson the best centre back in this division , just trying to find a player of that calibre would not be easy, signing one almost impossible.
We could spend 1.5 million replacing them with poorer quality.. Agents have there jobs to do,
All I hope was bridcutt did not get his 10% from the transfer.
Outstanding post yet again MBTS.
Evening Freeloaders. Long time no see.
[quote][p][bold]Dunk 2 blame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ? Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?[/p][/quote]I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?[/p][/quote]I think these questions should be aimed at Agents rather than Players as they are the ones that sort out the deals.Like Liam Bridcutt who has the same Agent as Gus Poyet and it would have been the Agent doing the deal once Gus told the Agent he wanted Liam.TK will be the main concern as I am sure there will be clubs who will be putting out the feelers.I met him on Christmas day with His Wife and child in Church Rd he seems to like the City and I hope his wife is settled here. As for Matty Upson I don't think he is in any hurry to leave.I think OG will bring in the players he needs for a big push next year as I think he needed this year to steady the ship.[/p][/quote]Talking of bridcutt, I was told he refused to play for the first team and was a unsettling problem in the squad , reported 3.5 million with add ons, Yes it's with the agents, but losing either player will cost more! TK is worth £750 all day, and upson the best centre back in this division , just trying to find a player of that calibre would not be easy, signing one almost impossible. We could spend 1.5 million replacing them with poorer quality.. Agents have there jobs to do, All I hope was bridcutt did not get his 10% from the transfer.[/p][/quote]Outstanding post yet again MBTS.[/p][/quote]Evening Freeloaders. Long time no see. Old Scrote of the Amex
  • Score: 1

10:05pm Wed 19 Feb 14

rolivan says...

Dunk 2 blame wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Baldseagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ?
Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,
Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?
I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?
I think these questions should be aimed at Agents rather than Players as they are the ones that sort out the deals.Like Liam Bridcutt who has the same Agent as Gus Poyet and it would have been the Agent doing the deal once Gus told the Agent he wanted Liam.TK will be the main concern as I am sure there will be clubs who will be putting out the feelers.I met him on Christmas day with His Wife and child in Church Rd he seems to like the City and I hope his wife is settled here. As for Matty Upson I don't think he is in any hurry to leave.I think OG will bring in the players he needs for a big push next year as I think he needed this year to steady the ship.
Talking of bridcutt, I was told he refused to play for the first team and was a unsettling problem in the squad , reported 3.5 million with add ons,
Yes it's with the agents, but losing either player will cost more! TK is worth £750 all day, and upson the best centre back in this division , just trying to find a player of that calibre would not be easy, signing one almost impossible.
We could spend 1.5 million replacing them with poorer quality.. Agents have there jobs to do,
All I hope was bridcutt did not get his 10% from the transfer.
Outstanding post yet again MBTS.
We managed to get Tomas and Matty on a Free so we will not lose financially as long as we sign replacements on the same terms but let us cross that Bridge when we come to it .By the way how is he doing for Reading?
[quote][p][bold]Dunk 2 blame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ? Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?[/p][/quote]I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?[/p][/quote]I think these questions should be aimed at Agents rather than Players as they are the ones that sort out the deals.Like Liam Bridcutt who has the same Agent as Gus Poyet and it would have been the Agent doing the deal once Gus told the Agent he wanted Liam.TK will be the main concern as I am sure there will be clubs who will be putting out the feelers.I met him on Christmas day with His Wife and child in Church Rd he seems to like the City and I hope his wife is settled here. As for Matty Upson I don't think he is in any hurry to leave.I think OG will bring in the players he needs for a big push next year as I think he needed this year to steady the ship.[/p][/quote]Talking of bridcutt, I was told he refused to play for the first team and was a unsettling problem in the squad , reported 3.5 million with add ons, Yes it's with the agents, but losing either player will cost more! TK is worth £750 all day, and upson the best centre back in this division , just trying to find a player of that calibre would not be easy, signing one almost impossible. We could spend 1.5 million replacing them with poorer quality.. Agents have there jobs to do, All I hope was bridcutt did not get his 10% from the transfer.[/p][/quote]Outstanding post yet again MBTS.[/p][/quote]We managed to get Tomas and Matty on a Free so we will not lose financially as long as we sign replacements on the same terms but let us cross that Bridge when we come to it .By the way how is he doing for Reading? rolivan
  • Score: 1

10:22pm Wed 19 Feb 14

gordongull says...

FFP could signal the end of player contracts as we know them.
Football is a volatile business, and what club is going to risk tying up revenue long term, when a player could be injured or suffer a loss of form.
Agents are spongeing a fortune out of the game, and this cannot continue.
We could get a scenario where they are told, ''We only deal directly with the players'', and rolling contracts could become commonplace to protect profit levels.
So what is stopping a player jumping in his car and signing for a club in the next town instead?
Well that club, and all the others will be in the same financial boat, and not just in this country, FFP applies throughout Europe.
Don't hold your breath waiting for players to be signed on long and lucrative contracts.
Those days are gone, and we are entering a phase where the the football clubs have the upper hand in negotiations with players.
They have no other choice.
FFP could signal the end of player contracts as we know them. Football is a volatile business, and what club is going to risk tying up revenue long term, when a player could be injured or suffer a loss of form. Agents are spongeing a fortune out of the game, and this cannot continue. We could get a scenario where they are told, ''We only deal directly with the players'', and rolling contracts could become commonplace to protect profit levels. So what is stopping a player jumping in his car and signing for a club in the next town instead? Well that club, and all the others will be in the same financial boat, and not just in this country, FFP applies throughout Europe. Don't hold your breath waiting for players to be signed on long and lucrative contracts. Those days are gone, and we are entering a phase where the the football clubs have the upper hand in negotiations with players. They have no other choice. gordongull
  • Score: 2

10:31pm Wed 19 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

rolivan wrote:
Dunk 2 blame wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Baldseagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ?
Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,
Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?
I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?
I think these questions should be aimed at Agents rather than Players as they are the ones that sort out the deals.Like Liam Bridcutt who has the same Agent as Gus Poyet and it would have been the Agent doing the deal once Gus told the Agent he wanted Liam.TK will be the main concern as I am sure there will be clubs who will be putting out the feelers.I met him on Christmas day with His Wife and child in Church Rd he seems to like the City and I hope his wife is settled here. As for Matty Upson I don't think he is in any hurry to leave.I think OG will bring in the players he needs for a big push next year as I think he needed this year to steady the ship.
Talking of bridcutt, I was told he refused to play for the first team and was a unsettling problem in the squad , reported 3.5 million with add ons,
Yes it's with the agents, but losing either player will cost more! TK is worth £750 all day, and upson the best centre back in this division , just trying to find a player of that calibre would not be easy, signing one almost impossible.
We could spend 1.5 million replacing them with poorer quality.. Agents have there jobs to do,
All I hope was bridcutt did not get his 10% from the transfer.
Outstanding post yet again MBTS.
We managed to get Tomas and Matty on a Free so we will not lose financially as long as we sign replacements on the same terms but let us cross that Bridge when we come to it .By the way how is he doing for Reading?
No Gus signed matty and Tomas .. So far I am totally underwhelmed with OG signings.. Are you seriously saying we are going to find two players of that quality who actually want to come here? I say that because two players not good enough to tie those players boots declined the Albion to stay at Bournemouth and the other to sign for millwall !! Hardly going to be that easy!
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dunk 2 blame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ? Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?[/p][/quote]I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?[/p][/quote]I think these questions should be aimed at Agents rather than Players as they are the ones that sort out the deals.Like Liam Bridcutt who has the same Agent as Gus Poyet and it would have been the Agent doing the deal once Gus told the Agent he wanted Liam.TK will be the main concern as I am sure there will be clubs who will be putting out the feelers.I met him on Christmas day with His Wife and child in Church Rd he seems to like the City and I hope his wife is settled here. As for Matty Upson I don't think he is in any hurry to leave.I think OG will bring in the players he needs for a big push next year as I think he needed this year to steady the ship.[/p][/quote]Talking of bridcutt, I was told he refused to play for the first team and was a unsettling problem in the squad , reported 3.5 million with add ons, Yes it's with the agents, but losing either player will cost more! TK is worth £750 all day, and upson the best centre back in this division , just trying to find a player of that calibre would not be easy, signing one almost impossible. We could spend 1.5 million replacing them with poorer quality.. Agents have there jobs to do, All I hope was bridcutt did not get his 10% from the transfer.[/p][/quote]Outstanding post yet again MBTS.[/p][/quote]We managed to get Tomas and Matty on a Free so we will not lose financially as long as we sign replacements on the same terms but let us cross that Bridge when we come to it .By the way how is he doing for Reading?[/p][/quote]No Gus signed matty and Tomas .. So far I am totally underwhelmed with OG signings.. Are you seriously saying we are going to find two players of that quality who actually want to come here? I say that because two players not good enough to tie those players boots declined the Albion to stay at Bournemouth and the other to sign for millwall !! Hardly going to be that easy! mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

10:36pm Wed 19 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

gordongull wrote:
FFP could signal the end of player contracts as we know them.
Football is a volatile business, and what club is going to risk tying up revenue long term, when a player could be injured or suffer a loss of form.
Agents are spongeing a fortune out of the game, and this cannot continue.
We could get a scenario where they are told, ''We only deal directly with the players'', and rolling contracts could become commonplace to protect profit levels.
So what is stopping a player jumping in his car and signing for a club in the next town instead?
Well that club, and all the others will be in the same financial boat, and not just in this country, FFP applies throughout Europe.
Don't hold your breath waiting for players to be signed on long and lucrative contracts.
Those days are gone, and we are entering a phase where the the football clubs have the upper hand in negotiations with players.
They have no other choice.
You say that, did you know 6 of the bottom eight clubs in the premiership broke there transfer record in January? If all clubs stick to the fair play we will have a yo yo of clubs going up and back down again..
With 60 million as a reward for getting to the premiership... Lots of clubs will be chasing that.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: FFP could signal the end of player contracts as we know them. Football is a volatile business, and what club is going to risk tying up revenue long term, when a player could be injured or suffer a loss of form. Agents are spongeing a fortune out of the game, and this cannot continue. We could get a scenario where they are told, ''We only deal directly with the players'', and rolling contracts could become commonplace to protect profit levels. So what is stopping a player jumping in his car and signing for a club in the next town instead? Well that club, and all the others will be in the same financial boat, and not just in this country, FFP applies throughout Europe. Don't hold your breath waiting for players to be signed on long and lucrative contracts. Those days are gone, and we are entering a phase where the the football clubs have the upper hand in negotiations with players. They have no other choice.[/p][/quote]You say that, did you know 6 of the bottom eight clubs in the premiership broke there transfer record in January? If all clubs stick to the fair play we will have a yo yo of clubs going up and back down again.. With 60 million as a reward for getting to the premiership... Lots of clubs will be chasing that. mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

10:47pm Wed 19 Feb 14

OldGull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Dunk 2 blame wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Baldseagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ?
Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,
Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?
I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?
I think these questions should be aimed at Agents rather than Players as they are the ones that sort out the deals.Like Liam Bridcutt who has the same Agent as Gus Poyet and it would have been the Agent doing the deal once Gus told the Agent he wanted Liam.TK will be the main concern as I am sure there will be clubs who will be putting out the feelers.I met him on Christmas day with His Wife and child in Church Rd he seems to like the City and I hope his wife is settled here. As for Matty Upson I don't think he is in any hurry to leave.I think OG will bring in the players he needs for a big push next year as I think he needed this year to steady the ship.
Talking of bridcutt, I was told he refused to play for the first team and was a unsettling problem in the squad , reported 3.5 million with add ons,
Yes it's with the agents, but losing either player will cost more! TK is worth £750 all day, and upson the best centre back in this division , just trying to find a player of that calibre would not be easy, signing one almost impossible.
We could spend 1.5 million replacing them with poorer quality.. Agents have there jobs to do,
All I hope was bridcutt did not get his 10% from the transfer.
Outstanding post yet again MBTS.
We managed to get Tomas and Matty on a Free so we will not lose financially as long as we sign replacements on the same terms but let us cross that Bridge when we come to it .By the way how is he doing for Reading?
No Gus signed matty and Tomas .. So far I am totally underwhelmed with OG signings.. Are you seriously saying we are going to find two players of that quality who actually want to come here? I say that because two players not good enough to tie those players boots declined the Albion to stay at Bournemouth and the other to sign for millwall !! Hardly going to be that easy!
You may be underwhelmed but we have more points than we had at the same stage last year, we are still in the cup (just).
So OG must be doing something right.
I think you may find MU rejoined the Albion when OG was in charge.
OG is bringing the best out of the youngsters. Gus would never have played them in league matches.

Gus also signed or loaned some real dross
Paynter & Dobbie plus a couple of Argentinians whose names escape me.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dunk 2 blame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ? Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?[/p][/quote]I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?[/p][/quote]I think these questions should be aimed at Agents rather than Players as they are the ones that sort out the deals.Like Liam Bridcutt who has the same Agent as Gus Poyet and it would have been the Agent doing the deal once Gus told the Agent he wanted Liam.TK will be the main concern as I am sure there will be clubs who will be putting out the feelers.I met him on Christmas day with His Wife and child in Church Rd he seems to like the City and I hope his wife is settled here. As for Matty Upson I don't think he is in any hurry to leave.I think OG will bring in the players he needs for a big push next year as I think he needed this year to steady the ship.[/p][/quote]Talking of bridcutt, I was told he refused to play for the first team and was a unsettling problem in the squad , reported 3.5 million with add ons, Yes it's with the agents, but losing either player will cost more! TK is worth £750 all day, and upson the best centre back in this division , just trying to find a player of that calibre would not be easy, signing one almost impossible. We could spend 1.5 million replacing them with poorer quality.. Agents have there jobs to do, All I hope was bridcutt did not get his 10% from the transfer.[/p][/quote]Outstanding post yet again MBTS.[/p][/quote]We managed to get Tomas and Matty on a Free so we will not lose financially as long as we sign replacements on the same terms but let us cross that Bridge when we come to it .By the way how is he doing for Reading?[/p][/quote]No Gus signed matty and Tomas .. So far I am totally underwhelmed with OG signings.. Are you seriously saying we are going to find two players of that quality who actually want to come here? I say that because two players not good enough to tie those players boots declined the Albion to stay at Bournemouth and the other to sign for millwall !! Hardly going to be that easy![/p][/quote]You may be underwhelmed but we have more points than we had at the same stage last year, we are still in the cup (just). So OG must be doing something right. I think you may find MU rejoined the Albion when OG was in charge. OG is bringing the best out of the youngsters. Gus would never have played them in league matches. Gus also signed or loaned some real dross Paynter & Dobbie plus a couple of Argentinians whose names escape me. OldGull
  • Score: 6

10:57pm Wed 19 Feb 14

rolivan says...

OldGull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Dunk 2 blame wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Baldseagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ?
Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,
Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?
I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?
I think these questions should be aimed at Agents rather than Players as they are the ones that sort out the deals.Like Liam Bridcutt who has the same Agent as Gus Poyet and it would have been the Agent doing the deal once Gus told the Agent he wanted Liam.TK will be the main concern as I am sure there will be clubs who will be putting out the feelers.I met him on Christmas day with His Wife and child in Church Rd he seems to like the City and I hope his wife is settled here. As for Matty Upson I don't think he is in any hurry to leave.I think OG will bring in the players he needs for a big push next year as I think he needed this year to steady the ship.
Talking of bridcutt, I was told he refused to play for the first team and was a unsettling problem in the squad , reported 3.5 million with add ons,
Yes it's with the agents, but losing either player will cost more! TK is worth £750 all day, and upson the best centre back in this division , just trying to find a player of that calibre would not be easy, signing one almost impossible.
We could spend 1.5 million replacing them with poorer quality.. Agents have there jobs to do,
All I hope was bridcutt did not get his 10% from the transfer.
Outstanding post yet again MBTS.
We managed to get Tomas and Matty on a Free so we will not lose financially as long as we sign replacements on the same terms but let us cross that Bridge when we come to it .By the way how is he doing for Reading?
No Gus signed matty and Tomas .. So far I am totally underwhelmed with OG signings.. Are you seriously saying we are going to find two players of that quality who actually want to come here? I say that because two players not good enough to tie those players boots declined the Albion to stay at Bournemouth and the other to sign for millwall !! Hardly going to be that easy!
You may be underwhelmed but we have more points than we had at the same stage last year, we are still in the cup (just).
So OG must be doing something right.
I think you may find MU rejoined the Albion when OG was in charge.
OG is bringing the best out of the youngsters. Gus would never have played them in league matches.

Gus also signed or loaned some real dross
Paynter & Dobbie plus a couple of Argentinians whose names escape me.
MBTS Gus cut and run when he realised there would be very little money to spend with the FFP and the figures that have just been released.I know he was sacked but I think he pushed the Board to the limit.Do you think Tomas came here just because Gus was Here?Also do you think Gus did a good job in bringing DS players on?As for OG not signing any decent players wait until the Summer as I am sure he will bring in the players to strengthen the squad yet again.As I have said a few times the squad has improve through each window and the points we have gained proves that
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dunk 2 blame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ? Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?[/p][/quote]I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?[/p][/quote]I think these questions should be aimed at Agents rather than Players as they are the ones that sort out the deals.Like Liam Bridcutt who has the same Agent as Gus Poyet and it would have been the Agent doing the deal once Gus told the Agent he wanted Liam.TK will be the main concern as I am sure there will be clubs who will be putting out the feelers.I met him on Christmas day with His Wife and child in Church Rd he seems to like the City and I hope his wife is settled here. As for Matty Upson I don't think he is in any hurry to leave.I think OG will bring in the players he needs for a big push next year as I think he needed this year to steady the ship.[/p][/quote]Talking of bridcutt, I was told he refused to play for the first team and was a unsettling problem in the squad , reported 3.5 million with add ons, Yes it's with the agents, but losing either player will cost more! TK is worth £750 all day, and upson the best centre back in this division , just trying to find a player of that calibre would not be easy, signing one almost impossible. We could spend 1.5 million replacing them with poorer quality.. Agents have there jobs to do, All I hope was bridcutt did not get his 10% from the transfer.[/p][/quote]Outstanding post yet again MBTS.[/p][/quote]We managed to get Tomas and Matty on a Free so we will not lose financially as long as we sign replacements on the same terms but let us cross that Bridge when we come to it .By the way how is he doing for Reading?[/p][/quote]No Gus signed matty and Tomas .. So far I am totally underwhelmed with OG signings.. Are you seriously saying we are going to find two players of that quality who actually want to come here? I say that because two players not good enough to tie those players boots declined the Albion to stay at Bournemouth and the other to sign for millwall !! Hardly going to be that easy![/p][/quote]You may be underwhelmed but we have more points than we had at the same stage last year, we are still in the cup (just). So OG must be doing something right. I think you may find MU rejoined the Albion when OG was in charge. OG is bringing the best out of the youngsters. Gus would never have played them in league matches. Gus also signed or loaned some real dross Paynter & Dobbie plus a couple of Argentinians whose names escape me.[/p][/quote]MBTS Gus cut and run when he realised there would be very little money to spend with the FFP and the figures that have just been released.I know he was sacked but I think he pushed the Board to the limit.Do you think Tomas came here just because Gus was Here?Also do you think Gus did a good job in bringing DS players on?As for OG not signing any decent players wait until the Summer as I am sure he will bring in the players to strengthen the squad yet again.As I have said a few times the squad has improve through each window and the points we have gained proves that rolivan
  • Score: 6

11:05pm Wed 19 Feb 14

gordongull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
gordongull wrote:
FFP could signal the end of player contracts as we know them.
Football is a volatile business, and what club is going to risk tying up revenue long term, when a player could be injured or suffer a loss of form.
Agents are spongeing a fortune out of the game, and this cannot continue.
We could get a scenario where they are told, ''We only deal directly with the players'', and rolling contracts could become commonplace to protect profit levels.
So what is stopping a player jumping in his car and signing for a club in the next town instead?
Well that club, and all the others will be in the same financial boat, and not just in this country, FFP applies throughout Europe.
Don't hold your breath waiting for players to be signed on long and lucrative contracts.
Those days are gone, and we are entering a phase where the the football clubs have the upper hand in negotiations with players.
They have no other choice.
You say that, did you know 6 of the bottom eight clubs in the premiership broke there transfer record in January? If all clubs stick to the fair play we will have a yo yo of clubs going up and back down again..
With 60 million as a reward for getting to the premiership... Lots of clubs will be chasing that.
I agree that FFPis still below the radar of several clubs because the penalties will not take effect until December. Some offending promoted clubs will be half way through next season in the Premier League by then.
It will take a season or two for reality to sink in, and you could be right abouit yo yo clubs.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: FFP could signal the end of player contracts as we know them. Football is a volatile business, and what club is going to risk tying up revenue long term, when a player could be injured or suffer a loss of form. Agents are spongeing a fortune out of the game, and this cannot continue. We could get a scenario where they are told, ''We only deal directly with the players'', and rolling contracts could become commonplace to protect profit levels. So what is stopping a player jumping in his car and signing for a club in the next town instead? Well that club, and all the others will be in the same financial boat, and not just in this country, FFP applies throughout Europe. Don't hold your breath waiting for players to be signed on long and lucrative contracts. Those days are gone, and we are entering a phase where the the football clubs have the upper hand in negotiations with players. They have no other choice.[/p][/quote]You say that, did you know 6 of the bottom eight clubs in the premiership broke there transfer record in January? If all clubs stick to the fair play we will have a yo yo of clubs going up and back down again.. With 60 million as a reward for getting to the premiership... Lots of clubs will be chasing that.[/p][/quote]I agree that FFPis still below the radar of several clubs because the penalties will not take effect until December. Some offending promoted clubs will be half way through next season in the Premier League by then. It will take a season or two for reality to sink in, and you could be right abouit yo yo clubs. gordongull
  • Score: 3

11:13pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Quiterie says...

Paul, why is there never enough ketchup on the East stand concourse. I don't mind paying above the going rate for a burger and chips, but I do expect to not have to bring my own ketchup.
Paul, why is there never enough ketchup on the East stand concourse. I don't mind paying above the going rate for a burger and chips, but I do expect to not have to bring my own ketchup. Quiterie
  • Score: 10

1:00am Thu 20 Feb 14

seegull fly in sky says...

Mr boober wot um favrouit dindins? me lyke chuckrn noggits
Mr boober wot um favrouit dindins? me lyke chuckrn noggits seegull fly in sky
  • Score: -1

2:41am Thu 20 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

rolivan wrote:
OldGull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Dunk 2 blame wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Baldseagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ?
Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,
Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?
I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?
I think these questions should be aimed at Agents rather than Players as they are the ones that sort out the deals.Like Liam Bridcutt who has the same Agent as Gus Poyet and it would have been the Agent doing the deal once Gus told the Agent he wanted Liam.TK will be the main concern as I am sure there will be clubs who will be putting out the feelers.I met him on Christmas day with His Wife and child in Church Rd he seems to like the City and I hope his wife is settled here. As for Matty Upson I don't think he is in any hurry to leave.I think OG will bring in the players he needs for a big push next year as I think he needed this year to steady the ship.
Talking of bridcutt, I was told he refused to play for the first team and was a unsettling problem in the squad , reported 3.5 million with add ons,
Yes it's with the agents, but losing either player will cost more! TK is worth £750 all day, and upson the best centre back in this division , just trying to find a player of that calibre would not be easy, signing one almost impossible.
We could spend 1.5 million replacing them with poorer quality.. Agents have there jobs to do,
All I hope was bridcutt did not get his 10% from the transfer.
Outstanding post yet again MBTS.
We managed to get Tomas and Matty on a Free so we will not lose financially as long as we sign replacements on the same terms but let us cross that Bridge when we come to it .By the way how is he doing for Reading?
No Gus signed matty and Tomas .. So far I am totally underwhelmed with OG signings.. Are you seriously saying we are going to find two players of that quality who actually want to come here? I say that because two players not good enough to tie those players boots declined the Albion to stay at Bournemouth and the other to sign for millwall !! Hardly going to be that easy!
You may be underwhelmed but we have more points than we had at the same stage last year, we are still in the cup (just).
So OG must be doing something right.
I think you may find MU rejoined the Albion when OG was in charge.
OG is bringing the best out of the youngsters. Gus would never have played them in league matches.

Gus also signed or loaned some real dross
Paynter & Dobbie plus a couple of Argentinians whose names escape me.
MBTS Gus cut and run when he realised there would be very little money to spend with the FFP and the figures that have just been released.I know he was sacked but I think he pushed the Board to the limit.Do you think Tomas came here just because Gus was Here?Also do you think Gus did a good job in bringing DS players on?As for OG not signing any decent players wait until the Summer as I am sure he will bring in the players to strengthen the squad yet again.As I have said a few times the squad has improve through each window and the points we have gained proves that
The defence is the reason we are where we are, infact how many goals have been scored by OG players? With major surgury required in next 18 months to the squad ,,we can't allow either player to walk without putting up a fight,
Do you think we have a stronger squad than say November?
Barnes / bridcutt / elabd / sold?
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dunk 2 blame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ? Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?[/p][/quote]I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?[/p][/quote]I think these questions should be aimed at Agents rather than Players as they are the ones that sort out the deals.Like Liam Bridcutt who has the same Agent as Gus Poyet and it would have been the Agent doing the deal once Gus told the Agent he wanted Liam.TK will be the main concern as I am sure there will be clubs who will be putting out the feelers.I met him on Christmas day with His Wife and child in Church Rd he seems to like the City and I hope his wife is settled here. As for Matty Upson I don't think he is in any hurry to leave.I think OG will bring in the players he needs for a big push next year as I think he needed this year to steady the ship.[/p][/quote]Talking of bridcutt, I was told he refused to play for the first team and was a unsettling problem in the squad , reported 3.5 million with add ons, Yes it's with the agents, but losing either player will cost more! TK is worth £750 all day, and upson the best centre back in this division , just trying to find a player of that calibre would not be easy, signing one almost impossible. We could spend 1.5 million replacing them with poorer quality.. Agents have there jobs to do, All I hope was bridcutt did not get his 10% from the transfer.[/p][/quote]Outstanding post yet again MBTS.[/p][/quote]We managed to get Tomas and Matty on a Free so we will not lose financially as long as we sign replacements on the same terms but let us cross that Bridge when we come to it .By the way how is he doing for Reading?[/p][/quote]No Gus signed matty and Tomas .. So far I am totally underwhelmed with OG signings.. Are you seriously saying we are going to find two players of that quality who actually want to come here? I say that because two players not good enough to tie those players boots declined the Albion to stay at Bournemouth and the other to sign for millwall !! Hardly going to be that easy![/p][/quote]You may be underwhelmed but we have more points than we had at the same stage last year, we are still in the cup (just). So OG must be doing something right. I think you may find MU rejoined the Albion when OG was in charge. OG is bringing the best out of the youngsters. Gus would never have played them in league matches. Gus also signed or loaned some real dross Paynter & Dobbie plus a couple of Argentinians whose names escape me.[/p][/quote]MBTS Gus cut and run when he realised there would be very little money to spend with the FFP and the figures that have just been released.I know he was sacked but I think he pushed the Board to the limit.Do you think Tomas came here just because Gus was Here?Also do you think Gus did a good job in bringing DS players on?As for OG not signing any decent players wait until the Summer as I am sure he will bring in the players to strengthen the squad yet again.As I have said a few times the squad has improve through each window and the points we have gained proves that[/p][/quote]The defence is the reason we are where we are, infact how many goals have been scored by OG players? With major surgury required in next 18 months to the squad ,,we can't allow either player to walk without putting up a fight, Do you think we have a stronger squad than say November? Barnes / bridcutt / elabd / sold? mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

4:18am Thu 20 Feb 14

Hector66 says...

by OG players do you really mean Nathan Jones or David Burke players?

I'd say Rodriguez is probably the only signing OG has influenced.
by OG players do you really mean Nathan Jones or David Burke players? I'd say Rodriguez is probably the only signing OG has influenced. Hector66
  • Score: 1

5:14am Thu 20 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Of course, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but given the number of answers that have already been posted on here to the questions posed, it seems Paul can take Friday afternoon off......
Of course, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but given the number of answers that have already been posted on here to the questions posed, it seems Paul can take Friday afternoon off...... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 3

7:16am Thu 20 Feb 14

Aldrington Halt says...

I would like to ask Mr Barber how he feels about Gus Poyet's pending return to the Amex with Sunderland should we beat Hull on monday? UTA
I would like to ask Mr Barber how he feels about Gus Poyet's pending return to the Amex with Sunderland should we beat Hull on monday? UTA Aldrington Halt
  • Score: -1

7:32am Thu 20 Feb 14

Carlas mum says...

I like many others would like to know what is happening about the contracts for players who come to the end of their contract this year, after all the club are expecting us to renew our season tickets and we have no idea who if any of these players will be with us in the new season. I just hope we are not going back to the bad old days when we got rid of players in the summer and tried to re-sign them at the start of the new season to save on wages. Can't see the fans putting up with that again.
I like many others would like to know what is happening about the contracts for players who come to the end of their contract this year, after all the club are expecting us to renew our season tickets and we have no idea who if any of these players will be with us in the new season. I just hope we are not going back to the bad old days when we got rid of players in the summer and tried to re-sign them at the start of the new season to save on wages. Can't see the fans putting up with that again. Carlas mum
  • Score: 5

7:57am Thu 20 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Carlas mum wrote:
I like many others would like to know what is happening about the contracts for players who come to the end of their contract this year, after all the club are expecting us to renew our season tickets and we have no idea who if any of these players will be with us in the new season. I just hope we are not going back to the bad old days when we got rid of players in the summer and tried to re-sign them at the start of the new season to save on wages. Can't see the fans putting up with that again.
Exactly we need to build from quality, thank god we have ince now signed up,
Upson and TK are two that must be persuaded to stay,

Can we ask barber when we build 600 houses next to the training ground will season ticket holders get a discount!
[quote][p][bold]Carlas mum[/bold] wrote: I like many others would like to know what is happening about the contracts for players who come to the end of their contract this year, after all the club are expecting us to renew our season tickets and we have no idea who if any of these players will be with us in the new season. I just hope we are not going back to the bad old days when we got rid of players in the summer and tried to re-sign them at the start of the new season to save on wages. Can't see the fans putting up with that again.[/p][/quote]Exactly we need to build from quality, thank god we have ince now signed up, Upson and TK are two that must be persuaded to stay, Can we ask barber when we build 600 houses next to the training ground will season ticket holders get a discount! mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

11:31am Thu 20 Feb 14

Jimmy Langley says...

I would like Mr Barber to let us know the day to day reporting lines in the job descriptions of Oscar Garcia and David Burke. This would help us to understand who has the real power when it comes to player recruitment.
I would like Mr Barber to let us know the day to day reporting lines in the job descriptions of Oscar Garcia and David Burke. This would help us to understand who has the real power when it comes to player recruitment. Jimmy Langley
  • Score: 0

2:44pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Oscar's Chin says...

OldGull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Dunk 2 blame wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Baldseagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ?
Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,
Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?
I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?
I think these questions should be aimed at Agents rather than Players as they are the ones that sort out the deals.Like Liam Bridcutt who has the same Agent as Gus Poyet and it would have been the Agent doing the deal once Gus told the Agent he wanted Liam.TK will be the main concern as I am sure there will be clubs who will be putting out the feelers.I met him on Christmas day with His Wife and child in Church Rd he seems to like the City and I hope his wife is settled here. As for Matty Upson I don't think he is in any hurry to leave.I think OG will bring in the players he needs for a big push next year as I think he needed this year to steady the ship.
Talking of bridcutt, I was told he refused to play for the first team and was a unsettling problem in the squad , reported 3.5 million with add ons,
Yes it's with the agents, but losing either player will cost more! TK is worth £750 all day, and upson the best centre back in this division , just trying to find a player of that calibre would not be easy, signing one almost impossible.
We could spend 1.5 million replacing them with poorer quality.. Agents have there jobs to do,
All I hope was bridcutt did not get his 10% from the transfer.
Outstanding post yet again MBTS.
We managed to get Tomas and Matty on a Free so we will not lose financially as long as we sign replacements on the same terms but let us cross that Bridge when we come to it .By the way how is he doing for Reading?
No Gus signed matty and Tomas .. So far I am totally underwhelmed with OG signings.. Are you seriously saying we are going to find two players of that quality who actually want to come here? I say that because two players not good enough to tie those players boots declined the Albion to stay at Bournemouth and the other to sign for millwall !! Hardly going to be that easy!
You may be underwhelmed but we have more points than we had at the same stage last year, we are still in the cup (just).
So OG must be doing something right.
I think you may find MU rejoined the Albion when OG was in charge.
OG is bringing the best out of the youngsters. Gus would never have played them in league matches.

Gus also signed or loaned some real dross
Paynter & Dobbie plus a couple of Argentinians whose names escape me.
Bad and Battipiedi. And don't forget Chris Holroyd, Ryan Harley (who he virtually stalked!!!) and others who flopped like Sandaza, Hoyte and Vokes (I know he's scoring a lot now but with a particularly lucky match with Ings and the luxury of a 4-4-2.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dunk 2 blame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ? Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?[/p][/quote]I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?[/p][/quote]I think these questions should be aimed at Agents rather than Players as they are the ones that sort out the deals.Like Liam Bridcutt who has the same Agent as Gus Poyet and it would have been the Agent doing the deal once Gus told the Agent he wanted Liam.TK will be the main concern as I am sure there will be clubs who will be putting out the feelers.I met him on Christmas day with His Wife and child in Church Rd he seems to like the City and I hope his wife is settled here. As for Matty Upson I don't think he is in any hurry to leave.I think OG will bring in the players he needs for a big push next year as I think he needed this year to steady the ship.[/p][/quote]Talking of bridcutt, I was told he refused to play for the first team and was a unsettling problem in the squad , reported 3.5 million with add ons, Yes it's with the agents, but losing either player will cost more! TK is worth £750 all day, and upson the best centre back in this division , just trying to find a player of that calibre would not be easy, signing one almost impossible. We could spend 1.5 million replacing them with poorer quality.. Agents have there jobs to do, All I hope was bridcutt did not get his 10% from the transfer.[/p][/quote]Outstanding post yet again MBTS.[/p][/quote]We managed to get Tomas and Matty on a Free so we will not lose financially as long as we sign replacements on the same terms but let us cross that Bridge when we come to it .By the way how is he doing for Reading?[/p][/quote]No Gus signed matty and Tomas .. So far I am totally underwhelmed with OG signings.. Are you seriously saying we are going to find two players of that quality who actually want to come here? I say that because two players not good enough to tie those players boots declined the Albion to stay at Bournemouth and the other to sign for millwall !! Hardly going to be that easy![/p][/quote]You may be underwhelmed but we have more points than we had at the same stage last year, we are still in the cup (just). So OG must be doing something right. I think you may find MU rejoined the Albion when OG was in charge. OG is bringing the best out of the youngsters. Gus would never have played them in league matches. Gus also signed or loaned some real dross Paynter & Dobbie plus a couple of Argentinians whose names escape me.[/p][/quote]Bad and Battipiedi. And don't forget Chris Holroyd, Ryan Harley (who he virtually stalked!!!) and others who flopped like Sandaza, Hoyte and Vokes (I know he's scoring a lot now but with a particularly lucky match with Ings and the luxury of a 4-4-2. Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 0

2:48pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Oscar's Chin says...

Oscar's Chin wrote:
OldGull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Dunk 2 blame wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Baldseagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ?
Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,
Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?
I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?
I think these questions should be aimed at Agents rather than Players as they are the ones that sort out the deals.Like Liam Bridcutt who has the same Agent as Gus Poyet and it would have been the Agent doing the deal once Gus told the Agent he wanted Liam.TK will be the main concern as I am sure there will be clubs who will be putting out the feelers.I met him on Christmas day with His Wife and child in Church Rd he seems to like the City and I hope his wife is settled here. As for Matty Upson I don't think he is in any hurry to leave.I think OG will bring in the players he needs for a big push next year as I think he needed this year to steady the ship.
Talking of bridcutt, I was told he refused to play for the first team and was a unsettling problem in the squad , reported 3.5 million with add ons,
Yes it's with the agents, but losing either player will cost more! TK is worth £750 all day, and upson the best centre back in this division , just trying to find a player of that calibre would not be easy, signing one almost impossible.
We could spend 1.5 million replacing them with poorer quality.. Agents have there jobs to do,
All I hope was bridcutt did not get his 10% from the transfer.
Outstanding post yet again MBTS.
We managed to get Tomas and Matty on a Free so we will not lose financially as long as we sign replacements on the same terms but let us cross that Bridge when we come to it .By the way how is he doing for Reading?
No Gus signed matty and Tomas .. So far I am totally underwhelmed with OG signings.. Are you seriously saying we are going to find two players of that quality who actually want to come here? I say that because two players not good enough to tie those players boots declined the Albion to stay at Bournemouth and the other to sign for millwall !! Hardly going to be that easy!
You may be underwhelmed but we have more points than we had at the same stage last year, we are still in the cup (just).
So OG must be doing something right.
I think you may find MU rejoined the Albion when OG was in charge.
OG is bringing the best out of the youngsters. Gus would never have played them in league matches.

Gus also signed or loaned some real dross
Paynter & Dobbie plus a couple of Argentinians whose names escape me.
Bad and Battipiedi. And don't forget Chris Holroyd, Ryan Harley (who he virtually stalked!!!) and others who flopped like Sandaza, Hoyte and Vokes (I know he's scoring a lot now but with a particularly lucky match with Ings and the luxury of a 4-4-2.
Correction: Baz
[quote][p][bold]Oscar's Chin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dunk 2 blame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Why are so many players allowed to have there contracts to elapse , ? Players like upson and TK will be on many players radar in the summer,[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting we should have tried to offload these two in the transfer window, or sent the boys round to make them an offer they can't refuse?[/p][/quote]I am saying these players are signed to this club, if they leave how much would it cost to replace them? £750k each ? We are in a cut throat business if we like it or not.... We have these players who are hardly ever injured, they know the style we play, what's point in letting them leave ? We should be signalling to season ticket waverers we are determined to get promoted. What's point in spending our playing budget on replacing them?[/p][/quote]I think these questions should be aimed at Agents rather than Players as they are the ones that sort out the deals.Like Liam Bridcutt who has the same Agent as Gus Poyet and it would have been the Agent doing the deal once Gus told the Agent he wanted Liam.TK will be the main concern as I am sure there will be clubs who will be putting out the feelers.I met him on Christmas day with His Wife and child in Church Rd he seems to like the City and I hope his wife is settled here. As for Matty Upson I don't think he is in any hurry to leave.I think OG will bring in the players he needs for a big push next year as I think he needed this year to steady the ship.[/p][/quote]Talking of bridcutt, I was told he refused to play for the first team and was a unsettling problem in the squad , reported 3.5 million with add ons, Yes it's with the agents, but losing either player will cost more! TK is worth £750 all day, and upson the best centre back in this division , just trying to find a player of that calibre would not be easy, signing one almost impossible. We could spend 1.5 million replacing them with poorer quality.. Agents have there jobs to do, All I hope was bridcutt did not get his 10% from the transfer.[/p][/quote]Outstanding post yet again MBTS.[/p][/quote]We managed to get Tomas and Matty on a Free so we will not lose financially as long as we sign replacements on the same terms but let us cross that Bridge when we come to it .By the way how is he doing for Reading?[/p][/quote]No Gus signed matty and Tomas .. So far I am totally underwhelmed with OG signings.. Are you seriously saying we are going to find two players of that quality who actually want to come here? I say that because two players not good enough to tie those players boots declined the Albion to stay at Bournemouth and the other to sign for millwall !! Hardly going to be that easy![/p][/quote]You may be underwhelmed but we have more points than we had at the same stage last year, we are still in the cup (just). So OG must be doing something right. I think you may find MU rejoined the Albion when OG was in charge. OG is bringing the best out of the youngsters. Gus would never have played them in league matches. Gus also signed or loaned some real dross Paynter & Dobbie plus a couple of Argentinians whose names escape me.[/p][/quote]Bad and Battipiedi. And don't forget Chris Holroyd, Ryan Harley (who he virtually stalked!!!) and others who flopped like Sandaza, Hoyte and Vokes (I know he's scoring a lot now but with a particularly lucky match with Ings and the luxury of a 4-4-2.[/p][/quote]Correction: Baz Oscar's Chin
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