Orlandi plays the waiting game

Andrea Orlandi is out of contract at the end of the season

Andrea Orlandi is out of contract at the end of the season

First published in Sport by , Chief sports reporter

Andrea Orlandi is playing a waiting game over his Albion future.

The Spanish midfielder is one of many first team squad regulars out of contract at the end of the season.

Orlandi does not expect anything to happen until then.

He told The Argus: “The club knows I want to stay but I also know how the club has been managing these kind of situations.

“Last season they waited to the end to decide what to do with the players and I think they are going to do the same this year.

“I have got to be patient and just wait for what’s going to happen. It’s understandable in a way. They are building the new training ground, young players are coming up. You have to respect that and wait for them to make a decision. My priority will be staying here. They know that, so let’s see what happens.”

Orlandi, 29, has scored seven goals in 50 appearances for Albion since signing from Swansea at the end of the August 2012 transfer window.

He was rested for Monday’s FA Cup tie against Hull after returning recently from knee cartilage surgery but is likely to be restored to the starting line-up for Wigan’s visit tomorrow.

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6:43am Fri 21 Feb 14

brighton bluenose says...

We need to sign him NOW! How can OG build a team if business is done in the close season for gods sake?!!
We need to sign him NOW! How can OG build a team if business is done in the close season for gods sake?!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 16

7:26am Fri 21 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

I can see the policy of waiting if it's a fringe player, but surely AO would be a fixture next season in whichever division we're in, so I can't see the point in holding off?
He's said he wants to stay and if he's bluffing (and I've no reason to suggest he is) then call it. But one way or another, sort it out now.
Of course, if OG isn't sure about any player and wants to look at his options, then that's a different matter, but personally, I can't believe that would be the case here?
With this blanket approach, we're putting unnecessary pressure on ourselves.
I can see the policy of waiting if it's a fringe player, but surely AO would be a fixture next season in whichever division we're in, so I can't see the point in holding off? He's said he wants to stay and if he's bluffing (and I've no reason to suggest he is) then call it. But one way or another, sort it out now. Of course, if OG isn't sure about any player and wants to look at his options, then that's a different matter, but personally, I can't believe that would be the case here? With this blanket approach, we're putting unnecessary pressure on ourselves. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 9

7:27am Fri 21 Feb 14

Lord Hamilton says...

Non story. The cheeky Italian will be given a 2.5 year deal as on his day he is mustard!!! SEAGULLS!!!!
Non story. The cheeky Italian will be given a 2.5 year deal as on his day he is mustard!!! SEAGULLS!!!! Lord Hamilton
  • Score: -6

7:36am Fri 21 Feb 14

Carlas mum says...

Think you will find he is Spanish.

My concern is, it is all very well for the club to hold on till the end of the season, but they expect us to pay for our season ticket by the middle of March, not knowing whether our star players will be with us or not.
Think you will find he is Spanish. My concern is, it is all very well for the club to hold on till the end of the season, but they expect us to pay for our season ticket by the middle of March, not knowing whether our star players will be with us or not. Carlas mum
  • Score: 6

7:38am Fri 21 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

How can we build for the future if we can only hope the player signs?
Players won't wait to see what's on offer, there agents will be looking for what's best for there client..
Waiting for the summer to sign players who we know are good enough is simply crazy... Upson and TK two further examples
How can we build for the future if we can only hope the player signs? Players won't wait to see what's on offer, there agents will be looking for what's best for there client.. Waiting for the summer to sign players who we know are good enough is simply crazy... Upson and TK two further examples mark by the sea
  • Score: 14

7:51am Fri 21 Feb 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

My guess is that he - along with most of those out of contract in the summer - will not be offered new deals. In fact the club has already set out it's stall. Ince, March, JFC have come through the DS and others are set to follow. Stephens and Chicksen have come from smaller clubs for modest fees. I believe this is the way that the club will operate in the future. I believe it to be both prudent and wise. The club will not risk getting into further debt by buying over priced players on crazy wages - and rightly so in my view. The days of big money signings are over.
My guess is that he - along with most of those out of contract in the summer - will not be offered new deals. In fact the club has already set out it's stall. Ince, March, JFC have come through the DS and others are set to follow. Stephens and Chicksen have come from smaller clubs for modest fees. I believe this is the way that the club will operate in the future. I believe it to be both prudent and wise. The club will not risk getting into further debt by buying over priced players on crazy wages - and rightly so in my view. The days of big money signings are over. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 2

8:25am Fri 21 Feb 14

BobGear says...

Carlas mum wrote:
Think you will find he is Spanish.

My concern is, it is all very well for the club to hold on till the end of the season, but they expect us to pay for our season ticket by the middle of March, not knowing whether our star players will be with us or not.
He's an Italian, born in Barcelona.
[quote][p][bold]Carlas mum[/bold] wrote: Think you will find he is Spanish. My concern is, it is all very well for the club to hold on till the end of the season, but they expect us to pay for our season ticket by the middle of March, not knowing whether our star players will be with us or not.[/p][/quote]He's an Italian, born in Barcelona. BobGear
  • Score: 2

8:45am Fri 21 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
My guess is that he - along with most of those out of contract in the summer - will not be offered new deals. In fact the club has already set out it's stall. Ince, March, JFC have come through the DS and others are set to follow. Stephens and Chicksen have come from smaller clubs for modest fees. I believe this is the way that the club will operate in the future. I believe it to be both prudent and wise. The club will not risk getting into further debt by buying over priced players on crazy wages - and rightly so in my view. The days of big money signings are over.
God I hope your wrong!
Weakening. Your product leads to failure..
Let's run through these players you want in ..
IINCE. His break through season , has been a revelation, ( lets not put to much pressure on him)
MARCH , has reall potential , pace balance but is a million miles from the finished product , lad needs time to improve .
JFC, the jury is out on him, good talent, bit small and lightweight, lacks pace.
Again he needs time, of the three he is my biggest doubt.
Stevens cost 500k and is on good wages, but will come good,
Chickson has ability, not sure he is good enough in the air, and lacks a bite.
Your idea of letting big wages go... Would mean a half empty stadium! That's when Leo , Buckley would want to move!
In your sentences you basically are saying we have reached our ceiling.
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: My guess is that he - along with most of those out of contract in the summer - will not be offered new deals. In fact the club has already set out it's stall. Ince, March, JFC have come through the DS and others are set to follow. Stephens and Chicksen have come from smaller clubs for modest fees. I believe this is the way that the club will operate in the future. I believe it to be both prudent and wise. The club will not risk getting into further debt by buying over priced players on crazy wages - and rightly so in my view. The days of big money signings are over.[/p][/quote]God I hope your wrong! Weakening. Your product leads to failure.. Let's run through these players you want in .. IINCE. His break through season , has been a revelation, ( lets not put to much pressure on him) MARCH , has reall potential , pace balance but is a million miles from the finished product , lad needs time to improve . JFC, the jury is out on him, good talent, bit small and lightweight, lacks pace. Again he needs time, of the three he is my biggest doubt. Stevens cost 500k and is on good wages, but will come good, Chickson has ability, not sure he is good enough in the air, and lacks a bite. Your idea of letting big wages go... Would mean a half empty stadium! That's when Leo , Buckley would want to move! In your sentences you basically are saying we have reached our ceiling. mark by the sea
  • Score: 9

8:55am Fri 21 Feb 14

Carlas mum says...

BobGear wrote:
Carlas mum wrote:
Think you will find he is Spanish.

My concern is, it is all very well for the club to hold on till the end of the season, but they expect us to pay for our season ticket by the middle of March, not knowing whether our star players will be with us or not.
He's an Italian, born in Barcelona.
Thanks Bob, are you sure he is not a Spaniard born in Milan.
[quote][p][bold]BobGear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carlas mum[/bold] wrote: Think you will find he is Spanish. My concern is, it is all very well for the club to hold on till the end of the season, but they expect us to pay for our season ticket by the middle of March, not knowing whether our star players will be with us or not.[/p][/quote]He's an Italian, born in Barcelona.[/p][/quote]Thanks Bob, are you sure he is not a Spaniard born in Milan. Carlas mum
  • Score: 3

9:02am Fri 21 Feb 14

AburridoEnTrabajo says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
My guess is that he - along with most of those out of contract in the summer - will not be offered new deals. In fact the club has already set out it's stall. Ince, March, JFC have come through the DS and others are set to follow. Stephens and Chicksen have come from smaller clubs for modest fees. I believe this is the way that the club will operate in the future. I believe it to be both prudent and wise. The club will not risk getting into further debt by buying over priced players on crazy wages - and rightly so in my view. The days of big money signings are over.
I think eventually we should have a target of maybe half the starting 11 being ex development squad players, but it will take a couple of years to get there. In the mean time I think we'll probably keep Orlandi but the situation is unusual at the moment - transfers and wages are coming down, so it pays to hold out. Why agree a contract now when you can probably negotiate a cheaper one in 6 months time?
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: My guess is that he - along with most of those out of contract in the summer - will not be offered new deals. In fact the club has already set out it's stall. Ince, March, JFC have come through the DS and others are set to follow. Stephens and Chicksen have come from smaller clubs for modest fees. I believe this is the way that the club will operate in the future. I believe it to be both prudent and wise. The club will not risk getting into further debt by buying over priced players on crazy wages - and rightly so in my view. The days of big money signings are over.[/p][/quote]I think eventually we should have a target of maybe half the starting 11 being ex development squad players, but it will take a couple of years to get there. In the mean time I think we'll probably keep Orlandi but the situation is unusual at the moment - transfers and wages are coming down, so it pays to hold out. Why agree a contract now when you can probably negotiate a cheaper one in 6 months time? AburridoEnTrabajo
  • Score: -2

9:10am Fri 21 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

AburridoEnTrabajo wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
My guess is that he - along with most of those out of contract in the summer - will not be offered new deals. In fact the club has already set out it's stall. Ince, March, JFC have come through the DS and others are set to follow. Stephens and Chicksen have come from smaller clubs for modest fees. I believe this is the way that the club will operate in the future. I believe it to be both prudent and wise. The club will not risk getting into further debt by buying over priced players on crazy wages - and rightly so in my view. The days of big money signings are over.
I think eventually we should have a target of maybe half the starting 11 being ex development squad players, but it will take a couple of years to get there. In the mean time I think we'll probably keep Orlandi but the situation is unusual at the moment - transfers and wages are coming down, so it pays to hold out. Why agree a contract now when you can probably negotiate a cheaper one in 6 months time?
Who says transfers are coming down? 6 of the bottom 8 clubs broke there transfer record last month, we broke our highest sale, players like upson and TK will be offered cash to sign a one year deal £100k. Hello )
Palace just paid 1m to loan a player Thor 4 months..
Good players are always in demand.
[quote][p][bold]AburridoEnTrabajo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: My guess is that he - along with most of those out of contract in the summer - will not be offered new deals. In fact the club has already set out it's stall. Ince, March, JFC have come through the DS and others are set to follow. Stephens and Chicksen have come from smaller clubs for modest fees. I believe this is the way that the club will operate in the future. I believe it to be both prudent and wise. The club will not risk getting into further debt by buying over priced players on crazy wages - and rightly so in my view. The days of big money signings are over.[/p][/quote]I think eventually we should have a target of maybe half the starting 11 being ex development squad players, but it will take a couple of years to get there. In the mean time I think we'll probably keep Orlandi but the situation is unusual at the moment - transfers and wages are coming down, so it pays to hold out. Why agree a contract now when you can probably negotiate a cheaper one in 6 months time?[/p][/quote]Who says transfers are coming down? 6 of the bottom 8 clubs broke there transfer record last month, we broke our highest sale, players like upson and TK will be offered cash to sign a one year deal £100k. Hello ) Palace just paid 1m to loan a player Thor 4 months.. Good players are always in demand. mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

9:12am Fri 21 Feb 14

EastWorthingExocetMissile says...

Andrea Orlandi was signed in the last hour before the transfer window closed in August 2012., alongside David Lopez. He will therefore be on really high wages as negotiated by his agent at that late hour of the day.. Brighton and OG can't offer him a new deal until there clear what the playing budget is for heft season. if he stays he is going to have to be on lower wages. Orlandi understands this and is fishing to put pressure on brighton or create interest from other clubs.

I do not agree that bringing through youngsters and spending less on wages and transfer fees is reaching the ceiling. It's just another wiser more sustainable way of doing things and achievable with a top class coach like OG., just look at what holloway did with Blackpool and palace.
We tried paying big wages and big fees and ultimately failed to go up last season and got left with 15 million debt. On top of the nine million we lost the year before. Continuing like that us not possible with FFP and is a fools game anyway.. And has been tried and failed by too numerous clubs to mention.
Brighton are building a solid base and are expanding its horizons all the time with new training facilities , new ground, increased capacity, new hotel, new houses, mire car parking space to sleeveless never seen in our history before. That is not a club who has reached its ceiling.
Andrea Orlandi was signed in the last hour before the transfer window closed in August 2012., alongside David Lopez. He will therefore be on really high wages as negotiated by his agent at that late hour of the day.. Brighton and OG can't offer him a new deal until there clear what the playing budget is for heft season. if he stays he is going to have to be on lower wages. Orlandi understands this and is fishing to put pressure on brighton or create interest from other clubs. I do not agree that bringing through youngsters and spending less on wages and transfer fees is reaching the ceiling. It's just another wiser more sustainable way of doing things and achievable with a top class coach like OG., just look at what holloway did with Blackpool and palace. We tried paying big wages and big fees and ultimately failed to go up last season and got left with 15 million debt. On top of the nine million we lost the year before. Continuing like that us not possible with FFP and is a fools game anyway.. And has been tried and failed by too numerous clubs to mention. Brighton are building a solid base and are expanding its horizons all the time with new training facilities , new ground, increased capacity, new hotel, new houses, mire car parking space to sleeveless never seen in our history before. That is not a club who has reached its ceiling. EastWorthingExocetMissile
  • Score: 7

9:15am Fri 21 Feb 14

TheWerewolf says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
My guess is that he - along with most of those out of contract in the summer - will not be offered new deals. In fact the club has already set out it's stall. Ince, March, JFC have come through the DS and others are set to follow. Stephens and Chicksen have come from smaller clubs for modest fees. I believe this is the way that the club will operate in the future. I believe it to be both prudent and wise. The club will not risk getting into further debt by buying over priced players on crazy wages - and rightly so in my view. The days of big money signings are over.
Think you're wrong. Any progressive club will look to set up a strong academy to assist in creating a strong 1st team. We have plenty of examples of bringing in strong players in the last couple of years. We are on borderline of FFP (when you take into account us expensing the training ground this year before the rules come into play) despite having had several of the quality players out injured and having to suplement the squad with loans. To suggest Orlandi fits into the bracket of 'over priced player on crazy wage' is wrong. We need to get him signed up now, and its refreshing for him to put his colours on the mast and say he wants to stay. Hope we reward his loyalty. UTA
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: My guess is that he - along with most of those out of contract in the summer - will not be offered new deals. In fact the club has already set out it's stall. Ince, March, JFC have come through the DS and others are set to follow. Stephens and Chicksen have come from smaller clubs for modest fees. I believe this is the way that the club will operate in the future. I believe it to be both prudent and wise. The club will not risk getting into further debt by buying over priced players on crazy wages - and rightly so in my view. The days of big money signings are over.[/p][/quote]Think you're wrong. Any progressive club will look to set up a strong academy to assist in creating a strong 1st team. We have plenty of examples of bringing in strong players in the last couple of years. We are on borderline of FFP (when you take into account us expensing the training ground this year before the rules come into play) despite having had several of the quality players out injured and having to suplement the squad with loans. To suggest Orlandi fits into the bracket of 'over priced player on crazy wage' is wrong. We need to get him signed up now, and its refreshing for him to put his colours on the mast and say he wants to stay. Hope we reward his loyalty. UTA TheWerewolf
  • Score: 7

10:05am Fri 21 Feb 14

Andrea Orlandigasm says...

With his Spanish and Italian background perhaps it's no surprise that he is sex on legs. Surely the hottest player in England. PHWOAR!
With his Spanish and Italian background perhaps it's no surprise that he is sex on legs. Surely the hottest player in England. PHWOAR! Andrea Orlandigasm
  • Score: 5

10:08am Fri 21 Feb 14

elljam says...

Unless he's on extortionate wages or they've got a top talent lined up for next season it must be a no brainer that he is re-signed.
I agree with the comment that the top performers like Kuszczak & Upson should be re-signed asap as surely the club must still want them. Orlandi definitely fits into the same category as he is the most creative player on the clubs books & has excellent ball retention in tight areas. An injury free run & a central role behind Ulloa on A regular basis could help us reach the play-offs.
Unless he's on extortionate wages or they've got a top talent lined up for next season it must be a no brainer that he is re-signed. I agree with the comment that the top performers like Kuszczak & Upson should be re-signed asap as surely the club must still want them. Orlandi definitely fits into the same category as he is the most creative player on the clubs books & has excellent ball retention in tight areas. An injury free run & a central role behind Ulloa on A regular basis could help us reach the play-offs. elljam
  • Score: 14

10:10am Fri 21 Feb 14

elljam says...

mark by the sea wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
My guess is that he - along with most of those out of contract in the summer - will not be offered new deals. In fact the club has already set out it's stall. Ince, March, JFC have come through the DS and others are set to follow. Stephens and Chicksen have come from smaller clubs for modest fees. I believe this is the way that the club will operate in the future. I believe it to be both prudent and wise. The club will not risk getting into further debt by buying over priced players on crazy wages - and rightly so in my view. The days of big money signings are over.
God I hope your wrong!
Weakening. Your product leads to failure..
Let's run through these players you want in ..
IINCE. His break through season , has been a revelation, ( lets not put to much pressure on him)
MARCH , has reall potential , pace balance but is a million miles from the finished product , lad needs time to improve .
JFC, the jury is out on him, good talent, bit small and lightweight, lacks pace.
Again he needs time, of the three he is my biggest doubt.
Stevens cost 500k and is on good wages, but will come good,
Chickson has ability, not sure he is good enough in the air, and lacks a bite.
Your idea of letting big wages go... Would mean a half empty stadium! That's when Leo , Buckley would want to move!
In your sentences you basically are saying we have reached our ceiling.
Couldn't have assessed the players better myself !
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: My guess is that he - along with most of those out of contract in the summer - will not be offered new deals. In fact the club has already set out it's stall. Ince, March, JFC have come through the DS and others are set to follow. Stephens and Chicksen have come from smaller clubs for modest fees. I believe this is the way that the club will operate in the future. I believe it to be both prudent and wise. The club will not risk getting into further debt by buying over priced players on crazy wages - and rightly so in my view. The days of big money signings are over.[/p][/quote]God I hope your wrong! Weakening. Your product leads to failure.. Let's run through these players you want in .. IINCE. His break through season , has been a revelation, ( lets not put to much pressure on him) MARCH , has reall potential , pace balance but is a million miles from the finished product , lad needs time to improve . JFC, the jury is out on him, good talent, bit small and lightweight, lacks pace. Again he needs time, of the three he is my biggest doubt. Stevens cost 500k and is on good wages, but will come good, Chickson has ability, not sure he is good enough in the air, and lacks a bite. Your idea of letting big wages go... Would mean a half empty stadium! That's when Leo , Buckley would want to move! In your sentences you basically are saying we have reached our ceiling.[/p][/quote]Couldn't have assessed the players better myself ! elljam
  • Score: 5

10:42am Fri 21 Feb 14

AburridoEnTrabajo says...

mark by the sea wrote:
AburridoEnTrabajo wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
My guess is that he - along with most of those out of contract in the summer - will not be offered new deals. In fact the club has already set out it's stall. Ince, March, JFC have come through the DS and others are set to follow. Stephens and Chicksen have come from smaller clubs for modest fees. I believe this is the way that the club will operate in the future. I believe it to be both prudent and wise. The club will not risk getting into further debt by buying over priced players on crazy wages - and rightly so in my view. The days of big money signings are over.
I think eventually we should have a target of maybe half the starting 11 being ex development squad players, but it will take a couple of years to get there. In the mean time I think we'll probably keep Orlandi but the situation is unusual at the moment - transfers and wages are coming down, so it pays to hold out. Why agree a contract now when you can probably negotiate a cheaper one in 6 months time?
Who says transfers are coming down? 6 of the bottom 8 clubs broke there transfer record last month, we broke our highest sale, players like upson and TK will be offered cash to sign a one year deal £100k. Hello )
Palace just paid 1m to loan a player Thor 4 months..
Good players are always in demand.
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/sport/10661615
.Wages_are_on_the_wa
y_down_says_Burke/
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AburridoEnTrabajo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: My guess is that he - along with most of those out of contract in the summer - will not be offered new deals. In fact the club has already set out it's stall. Ince, March, JFC have come through the DS and others are set to follow. Stephens and Chicksen have come from smaller clubs for modest fees. I believe this is the way that the club will operate in the future. I believe it to be both prudent and wise. The club will not risk getting into further debt by buying over priced players on crazy wages - and rightly so in my view. The days of big money signings are over.[/p][/quote]I think eventually we should have a target of maybe half the starting 11 being ex development squad players, but it will take a couple of years to get there. In the mean time I think we'll probably keep Orlandi but the situation is unusual at the moment - transfers and wages are coming down, so it pays to hold out. Why agree a contract now when you can probably negotiate a cheaper one in 6 months time?[/p][/quote]Who says transfers are coming down? 6 of the bottom 8 clubs broke there transfer record last month, we broke our highest sale, players like upson and TK will be offered cash to sign a one year deal £100k. Hello ) Palace just paid 1m to loan a player Thor 4 months.. Good players are always in demand.[/p][/quote]http://www.theargus. co.uk/sport/10661615 .Wages_are_on_the_wa y_down_says_Burke/ AburridoEnTrabajo
  • Score: 0

11:40am Fri 21 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

AburridoEnTrabajo wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
AburridoEnTrabajo wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
My guess is that he - along with most of those out of contract in the summer - will not be offered new deals. In fact the club has already set out it's stall. Ince, March, JFC have come through the DS and others are set to follow. Stephens and Chicksen have come from smaller clubs for modest fees. I believe this is the way that the club will operate in the future. I believe it to be both prudent and wise. The club will not risk getting into further debt by buying over priced players on crazy wages - and rightly so in my view. The days of big money signings are over.
I think eventually we should have a target of maybe half the starting 11 being ex development squad players, but it will take a couple of years to get there. In the mean time I think we'll probably keep Orlandi but the situation is unusual at the moment - transfers and wages are coming down, so it pays to hold out. Why agree a contract now when you can probably negotiate a cheaper one in 6 months time?
Who says transfers are coming down? 6 of the bottom 8 clubs broke there transfer record last month, we broke our highest sale, players like upson and TK will be offered cash to sign a one year deal £100k. Hello )
Palace just paid 1m to loan a player Thor 4 months..
Good players are always in demand.
http://www.theargus.

co.uk/sport/10661615

.Wages_are_on_the_wa

y_down_says_Burke/
Yes exactly it's barber .. Find me another who agrees!!
[quote][p][bold]AburridoEnTrabajo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AburridoEnTrabajo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: My guess is that he - along with most of those out of contract in the summer - will not be offered new deals. In fact the club has already set out it's stall. Ince, March, JFC have come through the DS and others are set to follow. Stephens and Chicksen have come from smaller clubs for modest fees. I believe this is the way that the club will operate in the future. I believe it to be both prudent and wise. The club will not risk getting into further debt by buying over priced players on crazy wages - and rightly so in my view. The days of big money signings are over.[/p][/quote]I think eventually we should have a target of maybe half the starting 11 being ex development squad players, but it will take a couple of years to get there. In the mean time I think we'll probably keep Orlandi but the situation is unusual at the moment - transfers and wages are coming down, so it pays to hold out. Why agree a contract now when you can probably negotiate a cheaper one in 6 months time?[/p][/quote]Who says transfers are coming down? 6 of the bottom 8 clubs broke there transfer record last month, we broke our highest sale, players like upson and TK will be offered cash to sign a one year deal £100k. Hello ) Palace just paid 1m to loan a player Thor 4 months.. Good players are always in demand.[/p][/quote]http://www.theargus. co.uk/sport/10661615 .Wages_are_on_the_wa y_down_says_Burke/[/p][/quote]Yes exactly it's barber .. Find me another who agrees!! mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

12:27pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Neville says...

To sustain a promotion push for next season you cannot just rely on DS players,there needs to be a careful balance of experience and youth and there has to be investment in quality players. If not then the club will need to settle for being mid-table,which is not part of the 5 year plan.
To leave all the contract issue until the end of season is folly,some yes but the core of the team needs to be settled. TK ,MU and AO in my opinion need to be sorted now,if they are willing,there are certain areas where DS will not suffice.
I can imagine many season ticket holders being disillusioned if we do not field a team able to compete at the top.
To sustain a promotion push for next season you cannot just rely on DS players,there needs to be a careful balance of experience and youth and there has to be investment in quality players. If not then the club will need to settle for being mid-table,which is not part of the 5 year plan. To leave all the contract issue until the end of season is folly,some yes but the core of the team needs to be settled. TK ,MU and AO in my opinion need to be sorted now,if they are willing,there are certain areas where DS will not suffice. I can imagine many season ticket holders being disillusioned if we do not field a team able to compete at the top. Neville
  • Score: 3

12:42pm Fri 21 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

I think it's possible that Brighton could still make the playoffs, and if we do who knows what will happen. Getting the young guns sorted out is the priority, an example of which we have just seen.
Barber tells us that we will reach our FFP requirements this season but we will have to do the same again next season, further cuts to our losses will be made, they have to.
I think it very possible that one or two of our percieved gems will go for no other reason than their persistent injury issues, Buckley and CMS come to mind, and this will make a difference as to how the budget for wages is shared out. It costs money to end a contract by mutual agreement but money is saved over the year.
Last year Barber was able to bring one or two new smaller sponsors, new money, if he can't do the same this year then cuts will have to be made in other areas. We are projected to lose 8 million this year, and that could mean we have to cut that figure by 3 million next year. It would seem prudent to wait to see how the market shakes out under pressure from the FFP rules, what we might offfer a player today to resign might be more than the market will require us to offer at the end of the season. The market could be very volotile come the summer with clubs off loading players to cut their losses and the more that are available the lower the costs will be to pick a few up.
I think it's possible that Brighton could still make the playoffs, and if we do who knows what will happen. Getting the young guns sorted out is the priority, an example of which we have just seen. Barber tells us that we will reach our FFP requirements this season but we will have to do the same again next season, further cuts to our losses will be made, they have to. I think it very possible that one or two of our percieved gems will go for no other reason than their persistent injury issues, Buckley and CMS come to mind, and this will make a difference as to how the budget for wages is shared out. It costs money to end a contract by mutual agreement but money is saved over the year. Last year Barber was able to bring one or two new smaller sponsors, new money, if he can't do the same this year then cuts will have to be made in other areas. We are projected to lose 8 million this year, and that could mean we have to cut that figure by 3 million next year. It would seem prudent to wait to see how the market shakes out under pressure from the FFP rules, what we might offfer a player today to resign might be more than the market will require us to offer at the end of the season. The market could be very volotile come the summer with clubs off loading players to cut their losses and the more that are available the lower the costs will be to pick a few up. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

1:39pm Fri 21 Feb 14

tinker111 says...

Carlas mum wrote:
Think you will find he is Spanish.

My concern is, it is all very well for the club to hold on till the end of the season, but they expect us to pay for our season ticket by the middle of March, not knowing whether our star players will be with us or not.
DO YOU THINK THIS CLUB " WHO NO DOUBT YOU SUPPORTED THROUGH THINK & THIN" CARE'S ABOUT YOU ,Think you will find many season ticket supports will walk with feet at end of season great stadia and training ground (unless under water) but team ?????? players ten a penny ?? UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE WITH THE BIG BOY'S.
[quote][p][bold]Carlas mum[/bold] wrote: Think you will find he is Spanish. My concern is, it is all very well for the club to hold on till the end of the season, but they expect us to pay for our season ticket by the middle of March, not knowing whether our star players will be with us or not.[/p][/quote]DO YOU THINK THIS CLUB " WHO NO DOUBT YOU SUPPORTED THROUGH THINK & THIN" CARE'S ABOUT YOU ,Think you will find many season ticket supports will walk with feet at end of season great stadia and training ground (unless under water) but team ?????? players ten a penny ?? UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE WITH THE BIG BOY'S. tinker111
  • Score: -1

4:14pm Fri 21 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I think it's possible that Brighton could still make the playoffs, and if we do who knows what will happen. Getting the young guns sorted out is the priority, an example of which we have just seen.
Barber tells us that we will reach our FFP requirements this season but we will have to do the same again next season, further cuts to our losses will be made, they have to.
I think it very possible that one or two of our percieved gems will go for no other reason than their persistent injury issues, Buckley and CMS come to mind, and this will make a difference as to how the budget for wages is shared out. It costs money to end a contract by mutual agreement but money is saved over the year.
Last year Barber was able to bring one or two new smaller sponsors, new money, if he can't do the same this year then cuts will have to be made in other areas. We are projected to lose 8 million this year, and that could mean we have to cut that figure by 3 million next year. It would seem prudent to wait to see how the market shakes out under pressure from the FFP rules, what we might offfer a player today to resign might be more than the market will require us to offer at the end of the season. The market could be very volotile come the summer with clubs off loading players to cut their losses and the more that are available the lower the costs will be to pick a few up.
Good players cost money, whatever the climate, as for off loading players on big wages , do you not seriously think we won't lose 3-4000 season tickets? Equate that into more losses... Sell more players.. Whatever fans think this is a business ....poor product is never going to get people excited or sell seats.
I have two businesses and they both "lose" money, having said that I spend what I like and do what I like... There are two sides to a spread sheet, one financial, the other success or failure.
I heard there was a payment to TB 10 million pounds last season from the club, this was a down payment to the academy, if the academy is under a different side to the club, then we can see a lot of that 15 million.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I think it's possible that Brighton could still make the playoffs, and if we do who knows what will happen. Getting the young guns sorted out is the priority, an example of which we have just seen. Barber tells us that we will reach our FFP requirements this season but we will have to do the same again next season, further cuts to our losses will be made, they have to. I think it very possible that one or two of our percieved gems will go for no other reason than their persistent injury issues, Buckley and CMS come to mind, and this will make a difference as to how the budget for wages is shared out. It costs money to end a contract by mutual agreement but money is saved over the year. Last year Barber was able to bring one or two new smaller sponsors, new money, if he can't do the same this year then cuts will have to be made in other areas. We are projected to lose 8 million this year, and that could mean we have to cut that figure by 3 million next year. It would seem prudent to wait to see how the market shakes out under pressure from the FFP rules, what we might offfer a player today to resign might be more than the market will require us to offer at the end of the season. The market could be very volotile come the summer with clubs off loading players to cut their losses and the more that are available the lower the costs will be to pick a few up.[/p][/quote]Good players cost money, whatever the climate, as for off loading players on big wages , do you not seriously think we won't lose 3-4000 season tickets? Equate that into more losses... Sell more players.. Whatever fans think this is a business ....poor product is never going to get people excited or sell seats. I have two businesses and they both "lose" money, having said that I spend what I like and do what I like... There are two sides to a spread sheet, one financial, the other success or failure. I heard there was a payment to TB 10 million pounds last season from the club, this was a down payment to the academy, if the academy is under a different side to the club, then we can see a lot of that 15 million. mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

4:59pm Fri 21 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I think it's possible that Brighton could still make the playoffs, and if we do who knows what will happen. Getting the young guns sorted out is the priority, an example of which we have just seen.
Barber tells us that we will reach our FFP requirements this season but we will have to do the same again next season, further cuts to our losses will be made, they have to.
I think it very possible that one or two of our percieved gems will go for no other reason than their persistent injury issues, Buckley and CMS come to mind, and this will make a difference as to how the budget for wages is shared out. It costs money to end a contract by mutual agreement but money is saved over the year.
Last year Barber was able to bring one or two new smaller sponsors, new money, if he can't do the same this year then cuts will have to be made in other areas. We are projected to lose 8 million this year, and that could mean we have to cut that figure by 3 million next year. It would seem prudent to wait to see how the market shakes out under pressure from the FFP rules, what we might offfer a player today to resign might be more than the market will require us to offer at the end of the season. The market could be very volotile come the summer with clubs off loading players to cut their losses and the more that are available the lower the costs will be to pick a few up.
Good players cost money, whatever the climate, as for off loading players on big wages , do you not seriously think we won't lose 3-4000 season tickets? Equate that into more losses... Sell more players.. Whatever fans think this is a business ....poor product is never going to get people excited or sell seats.
I have two businesses and they both "lose" money, having said that I spend what I like and do what I like... There are two sides to a spread sheet, one financial, the other success or failure.
I heard there was a payment to TB 10 million pounds last season from the club, this was a down payment to the academy, if the academy is under a different side to the club, then we can see a lot of that 15 million.
It's not a question of off loading players on big money, it's more a case of possibly replacing players that are suspect when it comes to fitness. There are serious questions to be asked about Buckley, his ham strings just don't seem capable of stringing more than a few games together. Kaz appears to have a problem getting thru 3 or 4 ninety minute matches before he too feels pain, I said 3 or 4 but I am not sure that he could get thru 2 or 3.

As far as season ticket holders are concerned, losing a, 'name or two,' or more, is only a problem if new and exciting players don't arrive to replace them. Oscar is still working with a lot of what he inherited from the Poyet days, next season could see that change and that change might actually encourage season ticket holders to renew. I think the fans might be a bit more forgiving than you are giving them credit for. We all know of the injury issues that have plagued our squad this year, but look where we are even though we have had those problems. If Oscar rebuilds, even if it means some, 'names,' going, I think the bulk of the fans will be there to see what Oscar can do with more of his own choices. It is possible that Oscar will bring in some young talent to add to the numbers he already has, and we may not know of these players, but that is what might make next season exciting. Looking at his track record regarding young players this year, do you think Oscar is more likely to sign a 23 yearold player that we know little about, or one that is 33 and everybody knows. My bet is that two more seasons will see us without a player over 30 years of age in the squad.
It's true, having some, 'names,' in your squad does help sell season tckets but in Oscar's case, I also think that having some new young blood will do the same. Just my opinion and nothing more.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I think it's possible that Brighton could still make the playoffs, and if we do who knows what will happen. Getting the young guns sorted out is the priority, an example of which we have just seen. Barber tells us that we will reach our FFP requirements this season but we will have to do the same again next season, further cuts to our losses will be made, they have to. I think it very possible that one or two of our percieved gems will go for no other reason than their persistent injury issues, Buckley and CMS come to mind, and this will make a difference as to how the budget for wages is shared out. It costs money to end a contract by mutual agreement but money is saved over the year. Last year Barber was able to bring one or two new smaller sponsors, new money, if he can't do the same this year then cuts will have to be made in other areas. We are projected to lose 8 million this year, and that could mean we have to cut that figure by 3 million next year. It would seem prudent to wait to see how the market shakes out under pressure from the FFP rules, what we might offfer a player today to resign might be more than the market will require us to offer at the end of the season. The market could be very volotile come the summer with clubs off loading players to cut their losses and the more that are available the lower the costs will be to pick a few up.[/p][/quote]Good players cost money, whatever the climate, as for off loading players on big wages , do you not seriously think we won't lose 3-4000 season tickets? Equate that into more losses... Sell more players.. Whatever fans think this is a business ....poor product is never going to get people excited or sell seats. I have two businesses and they both "lose" money, having said that I spend what I like and do what I like... There are two sides to a spread sheet, one financial, the other success or failure. I heard there was a payment to TB 10 million pounds last season from the club, this was a down payment to the academy, if the academy is under a different side to the club, then we can see a lot of that 15 million.[/p][/quote]It's not a question of off loading players on big money, it's more a case of possibly replacing players that are suspect when it comes to fitness. There are serious questions to be asked about Buckley, his ham strings just don't seem capable of stringing more than a few games together. Kaz appears to have a problem getting thru 3 or 4 ninety minute matches before he too feels pain, I said 3 or 4 but I am not sure that he could get thru 2 or 3. As far as season ticket holders are concerned, losing a, 'name or two,' or more, is only a problem if new and exciting players don't arrive to replace them. Oscar is still working with a lot of what he inherited from the Poyet days, next season could see that change and that change might actually encourage season ticket holders to renew. I think the fans might be a bit more forgiving than you are giving them credit for. We all know of the injury issues that have plagued our squad this year, but look where we are even though we have had those problems. If Oscar rebuilds, even if it means some, 'names,' going, I think the bulk of the fans will be there to see what Oscar can do with more of his own choices. It is possible that Oscar will bring in some young talent to add to the numbers he already has, and we may not know of these players, but that is what might make next season exciting. Looking at his track record regarding young players this year, do you think Oscar is more likely to sign a 23 yearold player that we know little about, or one that is 33 and everybody knows. My bet is that two more seasons will see us without a player over 30 years of age in the squad. It's true, having some, 'names,' in your squad does help sell season tckets but in Oscar's case, I also think that having some new young blood will do the same. Just my opinion and nothing more. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

6:19pm Fri 21 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I think it's possible that Brighton could still make the playoffs, and if we do who knows what will happen. Getting the young guns sorted out is the priority, an example of which we have just seen.
Barber tells us that we will reach our FFP requirements this season but we will have to do the same again next season, further cuts to our losses will be made, they have to.
I think it very possible that one or two of our percieved gems will go for no other reason than their persistent injury issues, Buckley and CMS come to mind, and this will make a difference as to how the budget for wages is shared out. It costs money to end a contract by mutual agreement but money is saved over the year.
Last year Barber was able to bring one or two new smaller sponsors, new money, if he can't do the same this year then cuts will have to be made in other areas. We are projected to lose 8 million this year, and that could mean we have to cut that figure by 3 million next year. It would seem prudent to wait to see how the market shakes out under pressure from the FFP rules, what we might offfer a player today to resign might be more than the market will require us to offer at the end of the season. The market could be very volotile come the summer with clubs off loading players to cut their losses and the more that are available the lower the costs will be to pick a few up.
Good players cost money, whatever the climate, as for off loading players on big wages , do you not seriously think we won't lose 3-4000 season tickets? Equate that into more losses... Sell more players.. Whatever fans think this is a business ....poor product is never going to get people excited or sell seats.
I have two businesses and they both "lose" money, having said that I spend what I like and do what I like... There are two sides to a spread sheet, one financial, the other success or failure.
I heard there was a payment to TB 10 million pounds last season from the club, this was a down payment to the academy, if the academy is under a different side to the club, then we can see a lot of that 15 million.
It's not a question of off loading players on big money, it's more a case of possibly replacing players that are suspect when it comes to fitness. There are serious questions to be asked about Buckley, his ham strings just don't seem capable of stringing more than a few games together. Kaz appears to have a problem getting thru 3 or 4 ninety minute matches before he too feels pain, I said 3 or 4 but I am not sure that he could get thru 2 or 3.

As far as season ticket holders are concerned, losing a, 'name or two,' or more, is only a problem if new and exciting players don't arrive to replace them. Oscar is still working with a lot of what he inherited from the Poyet days, next season could see that change and that change might actually encourage season ticket holders to renew. I think the fans might be a bit more forgiving than you are giving them credit for. We all know of the injury issues that have plagued our squad this year, but look where we are even though we have had those problems. If Oscar rebuilds, even if it means some, 'names,' going, I think the bulk of the fans will be there to see what Oscar can do with more of his own choices. It is possible that Oscar will bring in some young talent to add to the numbers he already has, and we may not know of these players, but that is what might make next season exciting. Looking at his track record regarding young players this year, do you think Oscar is more likely to sign a 23 yearold player that we know little about, or one that is 33 and everybody knows. My bet is that two more seasons will see us without a player over 30 years of age in the squad.
It's true, having some, 'names,' in your squad does help sell season tckets but in Oscar's case, I also think that having some new young blood will do the same. Just my opinion and nothing more.
I agree , I would have sold Buckley last month, I seriously think a bench mark loan would pay for itself, IE Bennet or even Zamora ...
While you never express your opinion on what you have not seen, the general feeling from fans are not what they were this time last season, a lack of excitement iand lack of trust is there.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I think it's possible that Brighton could still make the playoffs, and if we do who knows what will happen. Getting the young guns sorted out is the priority, an example of which we have just seen. Barber tells us that we will reach our FFP requirements this season but we will have to do the same again next season, further cuts to our losses will be made, they have to. I think it very possible that one or two of our percieved gems will go for no other reason than their persistent injury issues, Buckley and CMS come to mind, and this will make a difference as to how the budget for wages is shared out. It costs money to end a contract by mutual agreement but money is saved over the year. Last year Barber was able to bring one or two new smaller sponsors, new money, if he can't do the same this year then cuts will have to be made in other areas. We are projected to lose 8 million this year, and that could mean we have to cut that figure by 3 million next year. It would seem prudent to wait to see how the market shakes out under pressure from the FFP rules, what we might offfer a player today to resign might be more than the market will require us to offer at the end of the season. The market could be very volotile come the summer with clubs off loading players to cut their losses and the more that are available the lower the costs will be to pick a few up.[/p][/quote]Good players cost money, whatever the climate, as for off loading players on big wages , do you not seriously think we won't lose 3-4000 season tickets? Equate that into more losses... Sell more players.. Whatever fans think this is a business ....poor product is never going to get people excited or sell seats. I have two businesses and they both "lose" money, having said that I spend what I like and do what I like... There are two sides to a spread sheet, one financial, the other success or failure. I heard there was a payment to TB 10 million pounds last season from the club, this was a down payment to the academy, if the academy is under a different side to the club, then we can see a lot of that 15 million.[/p][/quote]It's not a question of off loading players on big money, it's more a case of possibly replacing players that are suspect when it comes to fitness. There are serious questions to be asked about Buckley, his ham strings just don't seem capable of stringing more than a few games together. Kaz appears to have a problem getting thru 3 or 4 ninety minute matches before he too feels pain, I said 3 or 4 but I am not sure that he could get thru 2 or 3. As far as season ticket holders are concerned, losing a, 'name or two,' or more, is only a problem if new and exciting players don't arrive to replace them. Oscar is still working with a lot of what he inherited from the Poyet days, next season could see that change and that change might actually encourage season ticket holders to renew. I think the fans might be a bit more forgiving than you are giving them credit for. We all know of the injury issues that have plagued our squad this year, but look where we are even though we have had those problems. If Oscar rebuilds, even if it means some, 'names,' going, I think the bulk of the fans will be there to see what Oscar can do with more of his own choices. It is possible that Oscar will bring in some young talent to add to the numbers he already has, and we may not know of these players, but that is what might make next season exciting. Looking at his track record regarding young players this year, do you think Oscar is more likely to sign a 23 yearold player that we know little about, or one that is 33 and everybody knows. My bet is that two more seasons will see us without a player over 30 years of age in the squad. It's true, having some, 'names,' in your squad does help sell season tckets but in Oscar's case, I also think that having some new young blood will do the same. Just my opinion and nothing more.[/p][/quote]I agree , I would have sold Buckley last month, I seriously think a bench mark loan would pay for itself, IE Bennet or even Zamora ... While you never express your opinion on what you have not seen, the general feeling from fans are not what they were this time last season, a lack of excitement iand lack of trust is there. mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

8:28pm Fri 21 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I think it's possible that Brighton could still make the playoffs, and if we do who knows what will happen. Getting the young guns sorted out is the priority, an example of which we have just seen.
Barber tells us that we will reach our FFP requirements this season but we will have to do the same again next season, further cuts to our losses will be made, they have to.
I think it very possible that one or two of our percieved gems will go for no other reason than their persistent injury issues, Buckley and CMS come to mind, and this will make a difference as to how the budget for wages is shared out. It costs money to end a contract by mutual agreement but money is saved over the year.
Last year Barber was able to bring one or two new smaller sponsors, new money, if he can't do the same this year then cuts will have to be made in other areas. We are projected to lose 8 million this year, and that could mean we have to cut that figure by 3 million next year. It would seem prudent to wait to see how the market shakes out under pressure from the FFP rules, what we might offfer a player today to resign might be more than the market will require us to offer at the end of the season. The market could be very volotile come the summer with clubs off loading players to cut their losses and the more that are available the lower the costs will be to pick a few up.
Good players cost money, whatever the climate, as for off loading players on big wages , do you not seriously think we won't lose 3-4000 season tickets? Equate that into more losses... Sell more players.. Whatever fans think this is a business ....poor product is never going to get people excited or sell seats.
I have two businesses and they both "lose" money, having said that I spend what I like and do what I like... There are two sides to a spread sheet, one financial, the other success or failure.
I heard there was a payment to TB 10 million pounds last season from the club, this was a down payment to the academy, if the academy is under a different side to the club, then we can see a lot of that 15 million.
It's not a question of off loading players on big money, it's more a case of possibly replacing players that are suspect when it comes to fitness. There are serious questions to be asked about Buckley, his ham strings just don't seem capable of stringing more than a few games together. Kaz appears to have a problem getting thru 3 or 4 ninety minute matches before he too feels pain, I said 3 or 4 but I am not sure that he could get thru 2 or 3.

As far as season ticket holders are concerned, losing a, 'name or two,' or more, is only a problem if new and exciting players don't arrive to replace them. Oscar is still working with a lot of what he inherited from the Poyet days, next season could see that change and that change might actually encourage season ticket holders to renew. I think the fans might be a bit more forgiving than you are giving them credit for. We all know of the injury issues that have plagued our squad this year, but look where we are even though we have had those problems. If Oscar rebuilds, even if it means some, 'names,' going, I think the bulk of the fans will be there to see what Oscar can do with more of his own choices. It is possible that Oscar will bring in some young talent to add to the numbers he already has, and we may not know of these players, but that is what might make next season exciting. Looking at his track record regarding young players this year, do you think Oscar is more likely to sign a 23 yearold player that we know little about, or one that is 33 and everybody knows. My bet is that two more seasons will see us without a player over 30 years of age in the squad.
It's true, having some, 'names,' in your squad does help sell season tckets but in Oscar's case, I also think that having some new young blood will do the same. Just my opinion and nothing more.
I agree , I would have sold Buckley last month, I seriously think a bench mark loan would pay for itself, IE Bennet or even Zamora ...
While you never express your opinion on what you have not seen, the general feeling from fans are not what they were this time last season, a lack of excitement iand lack of trust is there.
'Lack of excitement,' ok some may have that opinion, but, 'lack of trust,' what do you mean by that exactly?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I think it's possible that Brighton could still make the playoffs, and if we do who knows what will happen. Getting the young guns sorted out is the priority, an example of which we have just seen. Barber tells us that we will reach our FFP requirements this season but we will have to do the same again next season, further cuts to our losses will be made, they have to. I think it very possible that one or two of our percieved gems will go for no other reason than their persistent injury issues, Buckley and CMS come to mind, and this will make a difference as to how the budget for wages is shared out. It costs money to end a contract by mutual agreement but money is saved over the year. Last year Barber was able to bring one or two new smaller sponsors, new money, if he can't do the same this year then cuts will have to be made in other areas. We are projected to lose 8 million this year, and that could mean we have to cut that figure by 3 million next year. It would seem prudent to wait to see how the market shakes out under pressure from the FFP rules, what we might offfer a player today to resign might be more than the market will require us to offer at the end of the season. The market could be very volotile come the summer with clubs off loading players to cut their losses and the more that are available the lower the costs will be to pick a few up.[/p][/quote]Good players cost money, whatever the climate, as for off loading players on big wages , do you not seriously think we won't lose 3-4000 season tickets? Equate that into more losses... Sell more players.. Whatever fans think this is a business ....poor product is never going to get people excited or sell seats. I have two businesses and they both "lose" money, having said that I spend what I like and do what I like... There are two sides to a spread sheet, one financial, the other success or failure. I heard there was a payment to TB 10 million pounds last season from the club, this was a down payment to the academy, if the academy is under a different side to the club, then we can see a lot of that 15 million.[/p][/quote]It's not a question of off loading players on big money, it's more a case of possibly replacing players that are suspect when it comes to fitness. There are serious questions to be asked about Buckley, his ham strings just don't seem capable of stringing more than a few games together. Kaz appears to have a problem getting thru 3 or 4 ninety minute matches before he too feels pain, I said 3 or 4 but I am not sure that he could get thru 2 or 3. As far as season ticket holders are concerned, losing a, 'name or two,' or more, is only a problem if new and exciting players don't arrive to replace them. Oscar is still working with a lot of what he inherited from the Poyet days, next season could see that change and that change might actually encourage season ticket holders to renew. I think the fans might be a bit more forgiving than you are giving them credit for. We all know of the injury issues that have plagued our squad this year, but look where we are even though we have had those problems. If Oscar rebuilds, even if it means some, 'names,' going, I think the bulk of the fans will be there to see what Oscar can do with more of his own choices. It is possible that Oscar will bring in some young talent to add to the numbers he already has, and we may not know of these players, but that is what might make next season exciting. Looking at his track record regarding young players this year, do you think Oscar is more likely to sign a 23 yearold player that we know little about, or one that is 33 and everybody knows. My bet is that two more seasons will see us without a player over 30 years of age in the squad. It's true, having some, 'names,' in your squad does help sell season tckets but in Oscar's case, I also think that having some new young blood will do the same. Just my opinion and nothing more.[/p][/quote]I agree , I would have sold Buckley last month, I seriously think a bench mark loan would pay for itself, IE Bennet or even Zamora ... While you never express your opinion on what you have not seen, the general feeling from fans are not what they were this time last season, a lack of excitement iand lack of trust is there.[/p][/quote]'Lack of excitement,' ok some may have that opinion, but, 'lack of trust,' what do you mean by that exactly? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

9:53pm Fri 21 Feb 14

gordongull says...

Neville wrote:
To sustain a promotion push for next season you cannot just rely on DS players,there needs to be a careful balance of experience and youth and there has to be investment in quality players. If not then the club will need to settle for being mid-table,which is not part of the 5 year plan.
To leave all the contract issue until the end of season is folly,some yes but the core of the team needs to be settled. TK ,MU and AO in my opinion need to be sorted now,if they are willing,there are certain areas where DS will not suffice.
I can imagine many season ticket holders being disillusioned if we do not field a team able to compete at the top.
Any '5 year plan' has been overtaken by events in the form of FFP.
Clubs are facing a new priority, - debt management.
At this moment, delaying contract renewals looks like a huge gamble, but it is a gamble based on the need to reduce the wages bill. They will all be offered less money - take it or leave it.
The Premier League is unlikely to be queuing up to sign the majority of our players so with two or three exceptions, any that reject the new offers on the table will be limited to a move within the Championship.
23 football clubs desperately trying to reduce expenditure.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: To sustain a promotion push for next season you cannot just rely on DS players,there needs to be a careful balance of experience and youth and there has to be investment in quality players. If not then the club will need to settle for being mid-table,which is not part of the 5 year plan. To leave all the contract issue until the end of season is folly,some yes but the core of the team needs to be settled. TK ,MU and AO in my opinion need to be sorted now,if they are willing,there are certain areas where DS will not suffice. I can imagine many season ticket holders being disillusioned if we do not field a team able to compete at the top.[/p][/quote]Any '5 year plan' has been overtaken by events in the form of FFP. Clubs are facing a new priority, - debt management. At this moment, delaying contract renewals looks like a huge gamble, but it is a gamble based on the need to reduce the wages bill. They will all be offered less money - take it or leave it. The Premier League is unlikely to be queuing up to sign the majority of our players so with two or three exceptions, any that reject the new offers on the table will be limited to a move within the Championship. 23 football clubs desperately trying to reduce expenditure. gordongull
  • Score: 2

11:30pm Fri 21 Feb 14

gordongull says...

Andrea Orlandigasm wrote:
With his Spanish and Italian background perhaps it's no surprise that he is sex on legs. Surely the hottest player in England. PHWOAR!
It's okay for you Andrea, - I'm still waiting for us to sign Kosovare Asllani :)
[quote][p][bold]Andrea Orlandigasm[/bold] wrote: With his Spanish and Italian background perhaps it's no surprise that he is sex on legs. Surely the hottest player in England. PHWOAR![/p][/quote]It's okay for you Andrea, - I'm still waiting for us to sign Kosovare Asllani :) gordongull
  • Score: 1

1:38am Sat 22 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I think it's possible that Brighton could still make the playoffs, and if we do who knows what will happen. Getting the young guns sorted out is the priority, an example of which we have just seen.
Barber tells us that we will reach our FFP requirements this season but we will have to do the same again next season, further cuts to our losses will be made, they have to.
I think it very possible that one or two of our percieved gems will go for no other reason than their persistent injury issues, Buckley and CMS come to mind, and this will make a difference as to how the budget for wages is shared out. It costs money to end a contract by mutual agreement but money is saved over the year.
Last year Barber was able to bring one or two new smaller sponsors, new money, if he can't do the same this year then cuts will have to be made in other areas. We are projected to lose 8 million this year, and that could mean we have to cut that figure by 3 million next year. It would seem prudent to wait to see how the market shakes out under pressure from the FFP rules, what we might offfer a player today to resign might be more than the market will require us to offer at the end of the season. The market could be very volotile come the summer with clubs off loading players to cut their losses and the more that are available the lower the costs will be to pick a few up.
Good players cost money, whatever the climate, as for off loading players on big wages , do you not seriously think we won't lose 3-4000 season tickets? Equate that into more losses... Sell more players.. Whatever fans think this is a business ....poor product is never going to get people excited or sell seats.
I have two businesses and they both "lose" money, having said that I spend what I like and do what I like... There are two sides to a spread sheet, one financial, the other success or failure.
I heard there was a payment to TB 10 million pounds last season from the club, this was a down payment to the academy, if the academy is under a different side to the club, then we can see a lot of that 15 million.
Could you elaborate re: the down payment, Mark. I don't quite follow in full.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I think it's possible that Brighton could still make the playoffs, and if we do who knows what will happen. Getting the young guns sorted out is the priority, an example of which we have just seen. Barber tells us that we will reach our FFP requirements this season but we will have to do the same again next season, further cuts to our losses will be made, they have to. I think it very possible that one or two of our percieved gems will go for no other reason than their persistent injury issues, Buckley and CMS come to mind, and this will make a difference as to how the budget for wages is shared out. It costs money to end a contract by mutual agreement but money is saved over the year. Last year Barber was able to bring one or two new smaller sponsors, new money, if he can't do the same this year then cuts will have to be made in other areas. We are projected to lose 8 million this year, and that could mean we have to cut that figure by 3 million next year. It would seem prudent to wait to see how the market shakes out under pressure from the FFP rules, what we might offfer a player today to resign might be more than the market will require us to offer at the end of the season. The market could be very volotile come the summer with clubs off loading players to cut their losses and the more that are available the lower the costs will be to pick a few up.[/p][/quote]Good players cost money, whatever the climate, as for off loading players on big wages , do you not seriously think we won't lose 3-4000 season tickets? Equate that into more losses... Sell more players.. Whatever fans think this is a business ....poor product is never going to get people excited or sell seats. I have two businesses and they both "lose" money, having said that I spend what I like and do what I like... There are two sides to a spread sheet, one financial, the other success or failure. I heard there was a payment to TB 10 million pounds last season from the club, this was a down payment to the academy, if the academy is under a different side to the club, then we can see a lot of that 15 million.[/p][/quote]Could you elaborate re: the down payment, Mark. I don't quite follow in full. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 0

1:42am Sat 22 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

gordongull wrote:
Neville wrote:
To sustain a promotion push for next season you cannot just rely on DS players,there needs to be a careful balance of experience and youth and there has to be investment in quality players. If not then the club will need to settle for being mid-table,which is not part of the 5 year plan.
To leave all the contract issue until the end of season is folly,some yes but the core of the team needs to be settled. TK ,MU and AO in my opinion need to be sorted now,if they are willing,there are certain areas where DS will not suffice.
I can imagine many season ticket holders being disillusioned if we do not field a team able to compete at the top.
Any '5 year plan' has been overtaken by events in the form of FFP.
Clubs are facing a new priority, - debt management.
At this moment, delaying contract renewals looks like a huge gamble, but it is a gamble based on the need to reduce the wages bill. They will all be offered less money - take it or leave it.
The Premier League is unlikely to be queuing up to sign the majority of our players so with two or three exceptions, any that reject the new offers on the table will be limited to a move within the Championship.
23 football clubs desperately trying to reduce expenditure.
A very pertinent point.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: To sustain a promotion push for next season you cannot just rely on DS players,there needs to be a careful balance of experience and youth and there has to be investment in quality players. If not then the club will need to settle for being mid-table,which is not part of the 5 year plan. To leave all the contract issue until the end of season is folly,some yes but the core of the team needs to be settled. TK ,MU and AO in my opinion need to be sorted now,if they are willing,there are certain areas where DS will not suffice. I can imagine many season ticket holders being disillusioned if we do not field a team able to compete at the top.[/p][/quote]Any '5 year plan' has been overtaken by events in the form of FFP. Clubs are facing a new priority, - debt management. At this moment, delaying contract renewals looks like a huge gamble, but it is a gamble based on the need to reduce the wages bill. They will all be offered less money - take it or leave it. The Premier League is unlikely to be queuing up to sign the majority of our players so with two or three exceptions, any that reject the new offers on the table will be limited to a move within the Championship. 23 football clubs desperately trying to reduce expenditure.[/p][/quote]A very pertinent point. Captain Haddock
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