Bruno keeps sights set on top six

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Bruno today insisted Albion must keep sights set firmly on the play-offs.

The Seagulls' hopes took a hit when Wigan won a six-pointer at the Amex yesterday.

But other contenders also slipped up in the quest for a top-six spot.

Albion remain four points off sixth-placed Reading with a game in hand.

Bruno, arguably their best performer in the 2-1 defeat, said: “I think we are close to the top six and we must think in this direction.

“It is difficult because other teams are playing well too and are scoring a lot of goals.

“But I think it is our objective to be there.”

Bruno could make way for Inigo Calderon in the FA Cup replay at Hull tomorrow.

But he insists he would love to play – and make an overdue debt in the competition.

He added: “All the players like to play in this type of game.

“It’s a Premier League team and it’s really nice to play, it’s on TV.”

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9:01am Sun 23 Feb 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season.
I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel.
With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte.
till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity.
To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season. I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel. With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte. till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity. B rian Tawses left foot

9:04am Sun 23 Feb 14

Far gull says...

Bruno was a pleasure to watch yesterday and back at his best. He is so inventive going forward as any modern full back should be ,even if he has defensive frailties and Indigo better in defending.
On yesterday's performance I would play him at Hull. Same line up for me please Oscar as apart from taking our chances yesterday we played well.
Only player who's game looked shaky was Tomaz , primarily his distribution.
As to Play offs ,glad Bruno still positive,needs a real good run of results from us and implosion of at least two in top six imho.
Interestingly as an aside was on a course last week and got chatting to a life long Forest season ticket holder. We think they have been good this season and bought plenty good strikers etc. His opinion was they are not good enough for premier league and had blown money on over priced players.
Grass not as green as we all fall into the trap of thinking some days ,as many me included have thought Forest a good side and bet for prem!
Bruno was a pleasure to watch yesterday and back at his best. He is so inventive going forward as any modern full back should be ,even if he has defensive frailties and Indigo better in defending. On yesterday's performance I would play him at Hull. Same line up for me please Oscar as apart from taking our chances yesterday we played well. Only player who's game looked shaky was Tomaz , primarily his distribution. As to Play offs ,glad Bruno still positive,needs a real good run of results from us and implosion of at least two in top six imho. Interestingly as an aside was on a course last week and got chatting to a life long Forest season ticket holder. We think they have been good this season and bought plenty good strikers etc. His opinion was they are not good enough for premier league and had blown money on over priced players. Grass not as green as we all fall into the trap of thinking some days ,as many me included have thought Forest a good side and bet for prem! Far gull

9:28am Sun 23 Feb 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Interesting to see yesterday's results for QPR and Forest. 'arry has spent untold millions on his side - but the play offs now seem the best that QR can hope for. Ditto Forest. Possible food for thought for those who continually call for TB to dig deeper into his pockets and finance new signings.
Of course those who call for more money to be spent usuallly rehash Poyet's 'ceiling' quotation. Interesting to note that Poyet has been at Sunderland now for four months. They took a spanking yesterday and remain in the bottom three.
Interesting to see yesterday's results for QPR and Forest. 'arry has spent untold millions on his side - but the play offs now seem the best that QR can hope for. Ditto Forest. Possible food for thought for those who continually call for TB to dig deeper into his pockets and finance new signings. Of course those who call for more money to be spent usuallly rehash Poyet's 'ceiling' quotation. Interesting to note that Poyet has been at Sunderland now for four months. They took a spanking yesterday and remain in the bottom three. B rian Tawses left foot

10:00am Sun 23 Feb 14

Far gull says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Interesting to see yesterday's results for QPR and Forest. 'arry has spent untold millions on his side - but the play offs now seem the best that QR can hope for. Ditto Forest. Possible food for thought for those who continually call for TB to dig deeper into his pockets and finance new signings.
Of course those who call for more money to be spent usuallly rehash Poyet's 'ceiling' quotation. Interesting to note that Poyet has been at Sunderland now for four months. They took a spanking yesterday and remain in the bottom three.
And after spending a shed load too!
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Interesting to see yesterday's results for QPR and Forest. 'arry has spent untold millions on his side - but the play offs now seem the best that QR can hope for. Ditto Forest. Possible food for thought for those who continually call for TB to dig deeper into his pockets and finance new signings. Of course those who call for more money to be spent usuallly rehash Poyet's 'ceiling' quotation. Interesting to note that Poyet has been at Sunderland now for four months. They took a spanking yesterday and remain in the bottom three.[/p][/quote]And after spending a shed load too! Far gull

10:10am Sun 23 Feb 14

Tonyuk175 says...

Totally agree the season isn't over it's going to be a push but who knows?? You don't have to be top in the play off position until last game of season, we can do it just hope we just get on that run now ..
Totally agree the season isn't over it's going to be a push but who knows?? You don't have to be top in the play off position until last game of season, we can do it just hope we just get on that run now .. Tonyuk175

10:35am Sun 23 Feb 14

OldGull says...

We are still only 4 points off a play off spot, and Reading will be down here in a couple of weeks.
So there is everything to play for.
Yesterday was a thoroughly enjoyable match, just a shame we did not take our chances.

And just to say, before he posts on this thread
D2B (aka freeloaders) is nowt but a boil on the backside of humanity.
We are still only 4 points off a play off spot, and Reading will be down here in a couple of weeks. So there is everything to play for. Yesterday was a thoroughly enjoyable match, just a shame we did not take our chances. And just to say, before he posts on this thread D2B (aka freeloaders) is nowt but a boil on the backside of humanity. OldGull

10:41am Sun 23 Feb 14

SecondReserve says...

Obviously the right thing for Bruno to say but sadly not realistic. In truth the top 5 places are sorted and so there is only one place to fight for. We had most of the play and lots of (mostly very inaccurate) shots yesterday but we can't score goals. We only have one goalscorer and he is hardly a clinical finisher and misses too many good chances. The fact is that Wigan demonstrated yesterday that are far better equipped for the playoffs than us.
Obviously the right thing for Bruno to say but sadly not realistic. In truth the top 5 places are sorted and so there is only one place to fight for. We had most of the play and lots of (mostly very inaccurate) shots yesterday but we can't score goals. We only have one goalscorer and he is hardly a clinical finisher and misses too many good chances. The fact is that Wigan demonstrated yesterday that are far better equipped for the playoffs than us. SecondReserve

11:09am Sun 23 Feb 14

Uckfield Seagull says...

This is being controversial but I really fear that this is the not the season to be going up, somehow we are still top 8 with a chance of pushing play offs but if we fail to make play offs then for me that maybe a good thing. I do want to say that this season is a learning curve for Oscar and he has my full support as I feel he has done a very good job.
However there have been some very obvious mistakes this season, our chronic lack of a 2nd striker really is astounding, how on earth this has not been sorted is beyond belief, with CMS and Hoskins injured we have desperately needed support for Ulloa, to let Barnes go and replace him with Obika is just ridiculous.
Kemy, Lita, Obika, Conway, can ask questions about all of these as the fans have been kept in the dark, Lita was strange, why didnt we use him !!!, need him now
This is being controversial but I really fear that this is the not the season to be going up, somehow we are still top 8 with a chance of pushing play offs but if we fail to make play offs then for me that maybe a good thing. I do want to say that this season is a learning curve for Oscar and he has my full support as I feel he has done a very good job. However there have been some very obvious mistakes this season, our chronic lack of a 2nd striker really is astounding, how on earth this has not been sorted is beyond belief, with CMS and Hoskins injured we have desperately needed support for Ulloa, to let Barnes go and replace him with Obika is just ridiculous. Kemy, Lita, Obika, Conway, can ask questions about all of these as the fans have been kept in the dark, Lita was strange, why didnt we use him !!!, need him now Uckfield Seagull

11:19am Sun 23 Feb 14

Neville says...

Good comments from Bruno,perhaps he could let OG know as he does not bother to look at league positions.
Agree with a lot of the comments and the fact that a striker has never been sorted and does not look likely to happen is a big error of judgment or foresight.
Augustien,Lita,and Obika seem to have been money wasted,I see Conway scored yesterday,by far the best crosser of the ball this season.
People seem to think we will be challenging next season,a total rebuild is required in the summer regardless and next season even more difficult I fear.
I suspect WB will go in the summer and enhance the finances,just hope Ulloa stays and TK and MU remain.
Next four games will define the whole season.
I thought the Albion played really well yesterday apart from the final third and it is so frustrating to hold most of the possession in our own half despite losing at 2-0, ok if we are winning but so so frustrating to watch players in attacking positions pass the ball back to their own goal.
Good comments from Bruno,perhaps he could let OG know as he does not bother to look at league positions. Agree with a lot of the comments and the fact that a striker has never been sorted and does not look likely to happen is a big error of judgment or foresight. Augustien,Lita,and Obika seem to have been money wasted,I see Conway scored yesterday,by far the best crosser of the ball this season. People seem to think we will be challenging next season,a total rebuild is required in the summer regardless and next season even more difficult I fear. I suspect WB will go in the summer and enhance the finances,just hope Ulloa stays and TK and MU remain. Next four games will define the whole season. I thought the Albion played really well yesterday apart from the final third and it is so frustrating to hold most of the possession in our own half despite losing at 2-0, ok if we are winning but so so frustrating to watch players in attacking positions pass the ball back to their own goal. Neville

11:45am Sun 23 Feb 14

fratsomrover says...

I agree with Bruno because I think we are playing positive, attacking football. Very often as the season gets to the "nervous nineties" those teams occupying places 3-6 in the table get incredibly panicky because they are so close, yet not quite there and often slip up and allow teams outside of the top 6, with nothing to lose, to creep in. I am still optimistic if we continue to approach games as we did yesterday. We were positive, we attacked from the off and created enough chances to win 6 games, let alone 1.
The chances we create will eventually lead to goals and if we are to embark on a winning run of games, then let it be in March and April when it really counts.
We have to keep Ulloa fit though as he really is essential to us. It's a pity we didn't retain Conway ( I see he scored the winner yesterday) as he was gelling in really well and could well have been a better foil for Ulloa than Rodriguez, who does not look like the deadly striker we are after to compliment Leo.
I hope we start fast tomorrow and how great it would be if a positive start brought us a couple of early goals for a change.
I agree with Bruno because I think we are playing positive, attacking football. Very often as the season gets to the "nervous nineties" those teams occupying places 3-6 in the table get incredibly panicky because they are so close, yet not quite there and often slip up and allow teams outside of the top 6, with nothing to lose, to creep in. I am still optimistic if we continue to approach games as we did yesterday. We were positive, we attacked from the off and created enough chances to win 6 games, let alone 1. The chances we create will eventually lead to goals and if we are to embark on a winning run of games, then let it be in March and April when it really counts. We have to keep Ulloa fit though as he really is essential to us. It's a pity we didn't retain Conway ( I see he scored the winner yesterday) as he was gelling in really well and could well have been a better foil for Ulloa than Rodriguez, who does not look like the deadly striker we are after to compliment Leo. I hope we start fast tomorrow and how great it would be if a positive start brought us a couple of early goals for a change. fratsomrover

11:55am Sun 23 Feb 14

ballantrrae says...

SecondReserve wrote:
Obviously the right thing for Bruno to say but sadly not realistic. In truth the top 5 places are sorted and so there is only one place to fight for. We had most of the play and lots of (mostly very inaccurate) shots yesterday but we can't score goals. We only have one goalscorer and he is hardly a clinical finisher and misses too many good chances. The fact is that Wigan demonstrated yesterday that are far better equipped for the playoffs than us.
Agree with you about our finishing. Actually I thought we played well apart from the first 20 minutes or so in the second half when Oscar moved Lopez from the right (where he gave the best performance In the first half that I have seen from him this season) back to central midfield moving Rodriguez to the right and pushing Orlandi forward.
Our inability to convert our chances is as others have observed really costing us. Given that CMS and Hoskins are still some way from being match fit now is the time I feel for the club to bring in a proven goal scorer on loan if we are to reach the play-offs. Averaging about one goal per game as we have been won't achieve that objective.
[quote][p][bold]SecondReserve[/bold] wrote: Obviously the right thing for Bruno to say but sadly not realistic. In truth the top 5 places are sorted and so there is only one place to fight for. We had most of the play and lots of (mostly very inaccurate) shots yesterday but we can't score goals. We only have one goalscorer and he is hardly a clinical finisher and misses too many good chances. The fact is that Wigan demonstrated yesterday that are far better equipped for the playoffs than us.[/p][/quote]Agree with you about our finishing. Actually I thought we played well apart from the first 20 minutes or so in the second half when Oscar moved Lopez from the right (where he gave the best performance In the first half that I have seen from him this season) back to central midfield moving Rodriguez to the right and pushing Orlandi forward. Our inability to convert our chances is as others have observed really costing us. Given that CMS and Hoskins are still some way from being match fit now is the time I feel for the club to bring in a proven goal scorer on loan if we are to reach the play-offs. Averaging about one goal per game as we have been won't achieve that objective. ballantrrae

12:12pm Sun 23 Feb 14

OldGull says...

Uckfield Seagull wrote:
This is being controversial but I really fear that this is the not the season to be going up, somehow we are still top 8 with a chance of pushing play offs but if we fail to make play offs then for me that maybe a good thing. I do want to say that this season is a learning curve for Oscar and he has my full support as I feel he has done a very good job.
However there have been some very obvious mistakes this season, our chronic lack of a 2nd striker really is astounding, how on earth this has not been sorted is beyond belief, with CMS and Hoskins injured we have desperately needed support for Ulloa, to let Barnes go and replace him with Obika is just ridiculous.
Kemy, Lita, Obika, Conway, can ask questions about all of these as the fans have been kept in the dark, Lita was strange, why didnt we use him !!!, need him now
If we had not let Barnes go , he would have gone on a free in the summer.
Unfortunately ,Conway did not return, we could not or would not match what Blackburn were prepared to offer.
I must admit Obika has been a disapointment. He looked slightly better yesterday.
With regard Lita, we do not know what happened on the training ground.
I am sure we would have used him more if his application had been good.

How do you get a loan striker?
If they are scoring goals, they will not be available.
What I think is more important is finding a way to get our midfield players scoring more regularly.
Unfortunately our player of the season could have been Crofts, his goals are sorely missed.
[quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: This is being controversial but I really fear that this is the not the season to be going up, somehow we are still top 8 with a chance of pushing play offs but if we fail to make play offs then for me that maybe a good thing. I do want to say that this season is a learning curve for Oscar and he has my full support as I feel he has done a very good job. However there have been some very obvious mistakes this season, our chronic lack of a 2nd striker really is astounding, how on earth this has not been sorted is beyond belief, with CMS and Hoskins injured we have desperately needed support for Ulloa, to let Barnes go and replace him with Obika is just ridiculous. Kemy, Lita, Obika, Conway, can ask questions about all of these as the fans have been kept in the dark, Lita was strange, why didnt we use him !!!, need him now[/p][/quote]If we had not let Barnes go , he would have gone on a free in the summer. Unfortunately ,Conway did not return, we could not or would not match what Blackburn were prepared to offer. I must admit Obika has been a disapointment. He looked slightly better yesterday. With regard Lita, we do not know what happened on the training ground. I am sure we would have used him more if his application had been good. How do you get a loan striker? If they are scoring goals, they will not be available. What I think is more important is finding a way to get our midfield players scoring more regularly. Unfortunately our player of the season could have been Crofts, his goals are sorely missed. OldGull

12:22pm Sun 23 Feb 14

seegull fly in sky says...

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Brungo e grow um oninoins a e cobbages um vegegetgable plot ee complemplate a plyaffs a smoake pype. seegull fly in sky

12:48pm Sun 23 Feb 14

AlanDuffy says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Interesting to see yesterday's results for QPR and Forest. 'arry has spent untold millions on his side - but the play offs now seem the best that QR can hope for. Ditto Forest. Possible food for thought for those who continually call for TB to dig deeper into his pockets and finance new signings.
Of course those who call for more money to be spent usuallly rehash Poyet's 'ceiling' quotation. Interesting to note that Poyet has been at Sunderland now for four months. They took a spanking yesterday and remain in the bottom three.
Poyet made a big deal of how we had to compete with clubs with much higher wage bills.....well, the fact is that, aside from sides who had come down from the Premiership in the previous 2 years and therefore not benefitting from parachute payments, Brighton had the highest wage bill in the Championship.....no wonder the executive at the club lost patience with him....I still believe we'll be a Premiership club in the next few years and with a fantastic stadium, training and treatment facilities and top support.......keep the faith and enjoy performances like yesterday, for although we lost I thought we were excellent and unfortunate to lose. We're competing on an uneven playing field and doing pretty well.
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Interesting to see yesterday's results for QPR and Forest. 'arry has spent untold millions on his side - but the play offs now seem the best that QR can hope for. Ditto Forest. Possible food for thought for those who continually call for TB to dig deeper into his pockets and finance new signings. Of course those who call for more money to be spent usuallly rehash Poyet's 'ceiling' quotation. Interesting to note that Poyet has been at Sunderland now for four months. They took a spanking yesterday and remain in the bottom three.[/p][/quote]Poyet made a big deal of how we had to compete with clubs with much higher wage bills.....well, the fact is that, aside from sides who had come down from the Premiership in the previous 2 years and therefore not benefitting from parachute payments, Brighton had the highest wage bill in the Championship.....no wonder the executive at the club lost patience with him....I still believe we'll be a Premiership club in the next few years and with a fantastic stadium, training and treatment facilities and top support.......keep the faith and enjoy performances like yesterday, for although we lost I thought we were excellent and unfortunate to lose. We're competing on an uneven playing field and doing pretty well. AlanDuffy

1:11pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Vince says...

If we have serious Premiership ambitions we must keep hold of players like Buckley and Ulloa in the close season. If our best players start leaving, then all the impetus of the last 3 years will have been for nothing. Having said that, I think we did well to get £3m for Bridcutt. he looked totally lost yesterday, and his positional play was dreadful. He never got close to tackling any of Arsenal's forwards. When he was here, his forward distribution was poor, and he was never able to make a defence-splitting pass. Very good business by us IMHO. Barnes should have stayed, but he was sold just before Crofts got injured and the Grabban deal fell through, so in hindsight it was a bad decision by the Albion.

If we want to reach the play-offs another SUPPORT striker is paramount. A player like Adam-le Fondre would have had a hat trick yesterday.
it was a tremendous performance by the Albion - without the cutting edge.
If we have serious Premiership ambitions we must keep hold of players like Buckley and Ulloa in the close season. If our best players start leaving, then all the impetus of the last 3 years will have been for nothing. Having said that, I think we did well to get £3m for Bridcutt. he looked totally lost yesterday, and his positional play was dreadful. He never got close to tackling any of Arsenal's forwards. When he was here, his forward distribution was poor, and he was never able to make a defence-splitting pass. Very good business by us IMHO. Barnes should have stayed, but he was sold just before Crofts got injured and the Grabban deal fell through, so in hindsight it was a bad decision by the Albion. If we want to reach the play-offs another SUPPORT striker is paramount. A player like Adam-le Fondre would have had a hat trick yesterday. it was a tremendous performance by the Albion - without the cutting edge. Vince

1:22pm Sun 23 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Vince wrote:
If we have serious Premiership ambitions we must keep hold of players like Buckley and Ulloa in the close season. If our best players start leaving, then all the impetus of the last 3 years will have been for nothing. Having said that, I think we did well to get £3m for Bridcutt. he looked totally lost yesterday, and his positional play was dreadful. He never got close to tackling any of Arsenal's forwards. When he was here, his forward distribution was poor, and he was never able to make a defence-splitting pass. Very good business by us IMHO. Barnes should have stayed, but he was sold just before Crofts got injured and the Grabban deal fell through, so in hindsight it was a bad decision by the Albion.

If we want to reach the play-offs another SUPPORT striker is paramount. A player like Adam-le Fondre would have had a hat trick yesterday.
it was a tremendous performance by the Albion - without the cutting edge.
I was told on good authority club received 3.5 million with add ons, bridcutt had a poor game against arsenal, but he is a class player in championship..
I think if we are serious about play offs a loan striker is a must, I also think we should be looking at a " in the hole" midfielder/ striker,
How can we be serious about promotion with one person scoring goals?
Imagine losing Leo a week before the play offs? And before Arnie says that's negative, glen Murray last season is a clear indication of reality, and not football manager!
Leo has missed a few last few games, but he is now getting smashed by centre halves knowing take him out and the game is won..
We are missing Barnes in my opinion, and Conway ...
Tomo we could rest Leo for next weekend which is a must win.
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: If we have serious Premiership ambitions we must keep hold of players like Buckley and Ulloa in the close season. If our best players start leaving, then all the impetus of the last 3 years will have been for nothing. Having said that, I think we did well to get £3m for Bridcutt. he looked totally lost yesterday, and his positional play was dreadful. He never got close to tackling any of Arsenal's forwards. When he was here, his forward distribution was poor, and he was never able to make a defence-splitting pass. Very good business by us IMHO. Barnes should have stayed, but he was sold just before Crofts got injured and the Grabban deal fell through, so in hindsight it was a bad decision by the Albion. If we want to reach the play-offs another SUPPORT striker is paramount. A player like Adam-le Fondre would have had a hat trick yesterday. it was a tremendous performance by the Albion - without the cutting edge.[/p][/quote]I was told on good authority club received 3.5 million with add ons, bridcutt had a poor game against arsenal, but he is a class player in championship.. I think if we are serious about play offs a loan striker is a must, I also think we should be looking at a " in the hole" midfielder/ striker, How can we be serious about promotion with one person scoring goals? Imagine losing Leo a week before the play offs? And before Arnie says that's negative, glen Murray last season is a clear indication of reality, and not football manager! Leo has missed a few last few games, but he is now getting smashed by centre halves knowing take him out and the game is won.. We are missing Barnes in my opinion, and Conway ... Tomo we could rest Leo for next weekend which is a must win. mark by the sea

1:24pm Sun 23 Feb 14

wiseman of hove says...

I enjoyed the match yesterday. We are certainly trying to catch the last bus to the playoffs but there is still hope. I thought there were some real positives yesterday. Real signs that the old Will is back. Lopez starting to show, with Bruno linking effectively behind him. I'm very positive about Stephens. Yes, he should have scored and a bit sloppy at times but good engine, bursts from midfield well, tries to pass positively. He will get better and better, and will score goals. Ince had a terrific second half and Orlandi is close to his best, which is premier class.
A nagging feeling that Obika might show something if he is given a decent chance, like starting a game. Can't argue wth Ulloa's goal tally per game at the moment but would like to see him win a ball in the air sometimes with his back to goal.
Rodriquez is is quick and willing but I will be surprised if he wins a contract. Not sure what will happen on Monday but buoyed by accurately forecasting yesterdays score to adjacent seat holders , I think we will comfortably beat Millwall!
I enjoyed the match yesterday. We are certainly trying to catch the last bus to the playoffs but there is still hope. I thought there were some real positives yesterday. Real signs that the old Will is back. Lopez starting to show, with Bruno linking effectively behind him. I'm very positive about Stephens. Yes, he should have scored and a bit sloppy at times but good engine, bursts from midfield well, tries to pass positively. He will get better and better, and will score goals. Ince had a terrific second half and Orlandi is close to his best, which is premier class. A nagging feeling that Obika might show something if he is given a decent chance, like starting a game. Can't argue wth Ulloa's goal tally per game at the moment but would like to see him win a ball in the air sometimes with his back to goal. Rodriquez is is quick and willing but I will be surprised if he wins a contract. Not sure what will happen on Monday but buoyed by accurately forecasting yesterdays score to adjacent seat holders , I think we will comfortably beat Millwall! wiseman of hove

1:26pm Sun 23 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

QPR, Reading, Forest and Ipswich all lost yesterday, all top six candidates so we didn't lose table position against any them. Before this season is out more points will be dropped and gained by the same teams, nothing is as yet decided regarding the 5th and 6th playoff spots.
The boards of the big spending clubs will be more concerned about results than the Brighton board. Our spending, or lack there of, has been a balanced approach, we bought mainly out of need at the time of purchase, the big spenders have bought with an end result aspiration, promotion. Arry could see his team fail in the playoffs and if that happens, his job could go along with their hopes of promotion, and the same thing could happen at Forest. Big spending gaurentees nothing other than the fact that because you spent big the right results are almost demanded.

Are we lacking in the striker department, well the number of goals to chances created might suggest we are, but would have buying a striker, in the price inflated winter window, have solved that problem, who knows. We could have found out by spending two to three million to find out, two to three million we don't have, given our losses and the FFP requirements, would the gamble have been a wise one.

Brighton will make at least six million in proffits this year, we know that becuse that is how much we will pay off our debts, if we were solvent today, that would be six million that could be spent for next year's rebuild, plus the money Oscar would have regardless. With these figures in mind, now would be a good time for Mr. Bloom to consider selling a small percentage of his holdings in the club. A junior partner capable of investing say, twenty million, would see us wipe out our operational debt over night, and that allow us to build a promotion challenging squad for next year, build using our own money without having to concern ourselves with the FFP rules. Twenty million, in the world of football, is not a lot of money and any club that can reduce it's debts by some six millions in one year, has to be an attractive option.
QPR, Reading, Forest and Ipswich all lost yesterday, all top six candidates so we didn't lose table position against any them. Before this season is out more points will be dropped and gained by the same teams, nothing is as yet decided regarding the 5th and 6th playoff spots. The boards of the big spending clubs will be more concerned about results than the Brighton board. Our spending, or lack there of, has been a balanced approach, we bought mainly out of need at the time of purchase, the big spenders have bought with an end result aspiration, promotion. Arry could see his team fail in the playoffs and if that happens, his job could go along with their hopes of promotion, and the same thing could happen at Forest. Big spending gaurentees nothing other than the fact that because you spent big the right results are almost demanded. Are we lacking in the striker department, well the number of goals to chances created might suggest we are, but would have buying a striker, in the price inflated winter window, have solved that problem, who knows. We could have found out by spending two to three million to find out, two to three million we don't have, given our losses and the FFP requirements, would the gamble have been a wise one. Brighton will make at least six million in proffits this year, we know that becuse that is how much we will pay off our debts, if we were solvent today, that would be six million that could be spent for next year's rebuild, plus the money Oscar would have regardless. With these figures in mind, now would be a good time for Mr. Bloom to consider selling a small percentage of his holdings in the club. A junior partner capable of investing say, twenty million, would see us wipe out our operational debt over night, and that allow us to build a promotion challenging squad for next year, build using our own money without having to concern ourselves with the FFP rules. Twenty million, in the world of football, is not a lot of money and any club that can reduce it's debts by some six millions in one year, has to be an attractive option. VegasSeagull

1:31pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Vince says...

On a different topic - if my club paid £300,000 per week for Wayne Rooney, I would not attend any future matches in protest at such an obscene amount.
There should be a cap on wages of £20,000 per week (equating to £1m per year). Many fans on a radio phone line were saying last night that their mates had stopped attending premiership games, because with a family it was costing them £200 a game.
If more people voted with their feet, clubs would be forced to adopt admission prices to a level the ordinary working man could afford.
I refuse to pay £30 for a cup match for the Albion - but am happy to pay £15 (as in the Hull game).

I'm glad to see that the Albion are complying with FFP, and if other clubs are forced to do the same, it can only be good news. The Premiership is another animal unfortunately, and the debts clubs incur from vastly inflated transfer fees and wages, can cripple them - just look at Portsmouth.
On a different topic - if my club paid £300,000 per week for Wayne Rooney, I would not attend any future matches in protest at such an obscene amount. There should be a cap on wages of £20,000 per week (equating to £1m per year). Many fans on a radio phone line were saying last night that their mates had stopped attending premiership games, because with a family it was costing them £200 a game. If more people voted with their feet, clubs would be forced to adopt admission prices to a level the ordinary working man could afford. I refuse to pay £30 for a cup match for the Albion - but am happy to pay £15 (as in the Hull game). I'm glad to see that the Albion are complying with FFP, and if other clubs are forced to do the same, it can only be good news. The Premiership is another animal unfortunately, and the debts clubs incur from vastly inflated transfer fees and wages, can cripple them - just look at Portsmouth. Vince

1:39pm Sun 23 Feb 14

wiseman of hove says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
QPR, Reading, Forest and Ipswich all lost yesterday, all top six candidates so we didn't lose table position against any them. Before this season is out more points will be dropped and gained by the same teams, nothing is as yet decided regarding the 5th and 6th playoff spots.
The boards of the big spending clubs will be more concerned about results than the Brighton board. Our spending, or lack there of, has been a balanced approach, we bought mainly out of need at the time of purchase, the big spenders have bought with an end result aspiration, promotion. Arry could see his team fail in the playoffs and if that happens, his job could go along with their hopes of promotion, and the same thing could happen at Forest. Big spending gaurentees nothing other than the fact that because you spent big the right results are almost demanded.

Are we lacking in the striker department, well the number of goals to chances created might suggest we are, but would have buying a striker, in the price inflated winter window, have solved that problem, who knows. We could have found out by spending two to three million to find out, two to three million we don't have, given our losses and the FFP requirements, would the gamble have been a wise one.

Brighton will make at least six million in proffits this year, we know that becuse that is how much we will pay off our debts, if we were solvent today, that would be six million that could be spent for next year's rebuild, plus the money Oscar would have regardless. With these figures in mind, now would be a good time for Mr. Bloom to consider selling a small percentage of his holdings in the club. A junior partner capable of investing say, twenty million, would see us wipe out our operational debt over night, and that allow us to build a promotion challenging squad for next year, build using our own money without having to concern ourselves with the FFP rules. Twenty million, in the world of football, is not a lot of money and any club that can reduce it's debts by some six millions in one year, has to be an attractive option.
Interesting point Vegas regarding ' junior' partner. A few of us were discussing the very same point last night. I think this may well happen before too long. Great city, great stadium, training setup imminent - general great potential. I can see it happening.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: QPR, Reading, Forest and Ipswich all lost yesterday, all top six candidates so we didn't lose table position against any them. Before this season is out more points will be dropped and gained by the same teams, nothing is as yet decided regarding the 5th and 6th playoff spots. The boards of the big spending clubs will be more concerned about results than the Brighton board. Our spending, or lack there of, has been a balanced approach, we bought mainly out of need at the time of purchase, the big spenders have bought with an end result aspiration, promotion. Arry could see his team fail in the playoffs and if that happens, his job could go along with their hopes of promotion, and the same thing could happen at Forest. Big spending gaurentees nothing other than the fact that because you spent big the right results are almost demanded. Are we lacking in the striker department, well the number of goals to chances created might suggest we are, but would have buying a striker, in the price inflated winter window, have solved that problem, who knows. We could have found out by spending two to three million to find out, two to three million we don't have, given our losses and the FFP requirements, would the gamble have been a wise one. Brighton will make at least six million in proffits this year, we know that becuse that is how much we will pay off our debts, if we were solvent today, that would be six million that could be spent for next year's rebuild, plus the money Oscar would have regardless. With these figures in mind, now would be a good time for Mr. Bloom to consider selling a small percentage of his holdings in the club. A junior partner capable of investing say, twenty million, would see us wipe out our operational debt over night, and that allow us to build a promotion challenging squad for next year, build using our own money without having to concern ourselves with the FFP rules. Twenty million, in the world of football, is not a lot of money and any club that can reduce it's debts by some six millions in one year, has to be an attractive option.[/p][/quote]Interesting point Vegas regarding ' junior' partner. A few of us were discussing the very same point last night. I think this may well happen before too long. Great city, great stadium, training setup imminent - general great potential. I can see it happening. wiseman of hove

2:08pm Sun 23 Feb 14

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
QPR, Reading, Forest and Ipswich all lost yesterday, all top six candidates so we didn't lose table position against any them. Before this season is out more points will be dropped and gained by the same teams, nothing is as yet decided regarding the 5th and 6th playoff spots.
The boards of the big spending clubs will be more concerned about results than the Brighton board. Our spending, or lack there of, has been a balanced approach, we bought mainly out of need at the time of purchase, the big spenders have bought with an end result aspiration, promotion. Arry could see his team fail in the playoffs and if that happens, his job could go along with their hopes of promotion, and the same thing could happen at Forest. Big spending gaurentees nothing other than the fact that because you spent big the right results are almost demanded.

Are we lacking in the striker department, well the number of goals to chances created might suggest we are, but would have buying a striker, in the price inflated winter window, have solved that problem, who knows. We could have found out by spending two to three million to find out, two to three million we don't have, given our losses and the FFP requirements, would the gamble have been a wise one.

Brighton will make at least six million in proffits this year, we know that becuse that is how much we will pay off our debts, if we were solvent today, that would be six million that could be spent for next year's rebuild, plus the money Oscar would have regardless. With these figures in mind, now would be a good time for Mr. Bloom to consider selling a small percentage of his holdings in the club. A junior partner capable of investing say, twenty million, would see us wipe out our operational debt over night, and that allow us to build a promotion challenging squad for next year, build using our own money without having to concern ourselves with the FFP rules. Twenty million, in the world of football, is not a lot of money and any club that can reduce it's debts by some six millions in one year, has to be an attractive option.
Vegas, one small point re FFP. I believe that the owner or owners of a club are only allowed to underwrite their club's trading loss / or to pump capital in up to a certain figure (which will reduce further next season). So it doesn't really matter whether TB has a 'junior' shareholding partner or not providing he has the means and the desire to continue to invest funds in the Albion to the maximum extent that FFP allows. I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong.
I would like to echo my earlier post calling for loan striker to be recruited. I would also endorse MBTS 's call for a loanee to be acquired who can play 'in the whole' to support Ulloa.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: QPR, Reading, Forest and Ipswich all lost yesterday, all top six candidates so we didn't lose table position against any them. Before this season is out more points will be dropped and gained by the same teams, nothing is as yet decided regarding the 5th and 6th playoff spots. The boards of the big spending clubs will be more concerned about results than the Brighton board. Our spending, or lack there of, has been a balanced approach, we bought mainly out of need at the time of purchase, the big spenders have bought with an end result aspiration, promotion. Arry could see his team fail in the playoffs and if that happens, his job could go along with their hopes of promotion, and the same thing could happen at Forest. Big spending gaurentees nothing other than the fact that because you spent big the right results are almost demanded. Are we lacking in the striker department, well the number of goals to chances created might suggest we are, but would have buying a striker, in the price inflated winter window, have solved that problem, who knows. We could have found out by spending two to three million to find out, two to three million we don't have, given our losses and the FFP requirements, would the gamble have been a wise one. Brighton will make at least six million in proffits this year, we know that becuse that is how much we will pay off our debts, if we were solvent today, that would be six million that could be spent for next year's rebuild, plus the money Oscar would have regardless. With these figures in mind, now would be a good time for Mr. Bloom to consider selling a small percentage of his holdings in the club. A junior partner capable of investing say, twenty million, would see us wipe out our operational debt over night, and that allow us to build a promotion challenging squad for next year, build using our own money without having to concern ourselves with the FFP rules. Twenty million, in the world of football, is not a lot of money and any club that can reduce it's debts by some six millions in one year, has to be an attractive option.[/p][/quote]Vegas, one small point re FFP. I believe that the owner or owners of a club are only allowed to underwrite their club's trading loss / or to pump capital in up to a certain figure (which will reduce further next season). So it doesn't really matter whether TB has a 'junior' shareholding partner or not providing he has the means and the desire to continue to invest funds in the Albion to the maximum extent that FFP allows. I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong. I would like to echo my earlier post calling for loan striker to be recruited. I would also endorse MBTS 's call for a loanee to be acquired who can play 'in the whole' to support Ulloa. ballantrrae

2:25pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Far gull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
QPR, Reading, Forest and Ipswich all lost yesterday, all top six candidates so we didn't lose table position against any them. Before this season is out more points will be dropped and gained by the same teams, nothing is as yet decided regarding the 5th and 6th playoff spots.
The boards of the big spending clubs will be more concerned about results than the Brighton board. Our spending, or lack there of, has been a balanced approach, we bought mainly out of need at the time of purchase, the big spenders have bought with an end result aspiration, promotion. Arry could see his team fail in the playoffs and if that happens, his job could go along with their hopes of promotion, and the same thing could happen at Forest. Big spending gaurentees nothing other than the fact that because you spent big the right results are almost demanded.

Are we lacking in the striker department, well the number of goals to chances created might suggest we are, but would have buying a striker, in the price inflated winter window, have solved that problem, who knows. We could have found out by spending two to three million to find out, two to three million we don't have, given our losses and the FFP requirements, would the gamble have been a wise one.

Brighton will make at least six million in proffits this year, we know that becuse that is how much we will pay off our debts, if we were solvent today, that would be six million that could be spent for next year's rebuild, plus the money Oscar would have regardless. With these figures in mind, now would be a good time for Mr. Bloom to consider selling a small percentage of his holdings in the club. A junior partner capable of investing say, twenty million, would see us wipe out our operational debt over night, and that allow us to build a promotion challenging squad for next year, build using our own money without having to concern ourselves with the FFP rules. Twenty million, in the world of football, is not a lot of money and any club that can reduce it's debts by some six millions in one year, has to be an attractive option.
Good post . I have posted a couple of times recently about the possibility of another shareholder coming in ,this may be the way to go?
Took a mate to the game yesterday who said when looking at the big screen pre ko ' who's that chap kicking a ball on the pitch with the little boy? Can he do that? I replied yes if you had spent 100-200million on your club think you might just be allowed to do that? Lovely to see Tony doing that actually.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: QPR, Reading, Forest and Ipswich all lost yesterday, all top six candidates so we didn't lose table position against any them. Before this season is out more points will be dropped and gained by the same teams, nothing is as yet decided regarding the 5th and 6th playoff spots. The boards of the big spending clubs will be more concerned about results than the Brighton board. Our spending, or lack there of, has been a balanced approach, we bought mainly out of need at the time of purchase, the big spenders have bought with an end result aspiration, promotion. Arry could see his team fail in the playoffs and if that happens, his job could go along with their hopes of promotion, and the same thing could happen at Forest. Big spending gaurentees nothing other than the fact that because you spent big the right results are almost demanded. Are we lacking in the striker department, well the number of goals to chances created might suggest we are, but would have buying a striker, in the price inflated winter window, have solved that problem, who knows. We could have found out by spending two to three million to find out, two to three million we don't have, given our losses and the FFP requirements, would the gamble have been a wise one. Brighton will make at least six million in proffits this year, we know that becuse that is how much we will pay off our debts, if we were solvent today, that would be six million that could be spent for next year's rebuild, plus the money Oscar would have regardless. With these figures in mind, now would be a good time for Mr. Bloom to consider selling a small percentage of his holdings in the club. A junior partner capable of investing say, twenty million, would see us wipe out our operational debt over night, and that allow us to build a promotion challenging squad for next year, build using our own money without having to concern ourselves with the FFP rules. Twenty million, in the world of football, is not a lot of money and any club that can reduce it's debts by some six millions in one year, has to be an attractive option.[/p][/quote]Good post . I have posted a couple of times recently about the possibility of another shareholder coming in ,this may be the way to go? Took a mate to the game yesterday who said when looking at the big screen pre ko ' who's that chap kicking a ball on the pitch with the little boy? Can he do that? I replied yes if you had spent 100-200million on your club think you might just be allowed to do that? Lovely to see Tony doing that actually. Far gull

4:31pm Sun 23 Feb 14

wiseman of hove says...

Far gull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
QPR, Reading, Forest and Ipswich all lost yesterday, all top six candidates so we didn't lose table position against any them. Before this season is out more points will be dropped and gained by the same teams, nothing is as yet decided regarding the 5th and 6th playoff spots.
The boards of the big spending clubs will be more concerned about results than the Brighton board. Our spending, or lack there of, has been a balanced approach, we bought mainly out of need at the time of purchase, the big spenders have bought with an end result aspiration, promotion. Arry could see his team fail in the playoffs and if that happens, his job could go along with their hopes of promotion, and the same thing could happen at Forest. Big spending gaurentees nothing other than the fact that because you spent big the right results are almost demanded.

Are we lacking in the striker department, well the number of goals to chances created might suggest we are, but would have buying a striker, in the price inflated winter window, have solved that problem, who knows. We could have found out by spending two to three million to find out, two to three million we don't have, given our losses and the FFP requirements, would the gamble have been a wise one.

Brighton will make at least six million in proffits this year, we know that becuse that is how much we will pay off our debts, if we were solvent today, that would be six million that could be spent for next year's rebuild, plus the money Oscar would have regardless. With these figures in mind, now would be a good time for Mr. Bloom to consider selling a small percentage of his holdings in the club. A junior partner capable of investing say, twenty million, would see us wipe out our operational debt over night, and that allow us to build a promotion challenging squad for next year, build using our own money without having to concern ourselves with the FFP rules. Twenty million, in the world of football, is not a lot of money and any club that can reduce it's debts by some six millions in one year, has to be an attractive option.
Good post . I have posted a couple of times recently about the possibility of another shareholder coming in ,this may be the way to go?
Took a mate to the game yesterday who said when looking at the big screen pre ko ' who's that chap kicking a ball on the pitch with the little boy? Can he do that? I replied yes if you had spent 100-200million on your club think you might just be allowed to do that? Lovely to see Tony doing that actually.
Yes, a modest kick around in stark contrast to Michael Knighton who I think had all but acquired Man Utd some twenty odd years ago and then proceeded to show off his ball juggling skills in the centre circle in training gear if I recall. It was apparently the kiss of death to his plans.!
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: QPR, Reading, Forest and Ipswich all lost yesterday, all top six candidates so we didn't lose table position against any them. Before this season is out more points will be dropped and gained by the same teams, nothing is as yet decided regarding the 5th and 6th playoff spots. The boards of the big spending clubs will be more concerned about results than the Brighton board. Our spending, or lack there of, has been a balanced approach, we bought mainly out of need at the time of purchase, the big spenders have bought with an end result aspiration, promotion. Arry could see his team fail in the playoffs and if that happens, his job could go along with their hopes of promotion, and the same thing could happen at Forest. Big spending gaurentees nothing other than the fact that because you spent big the right results are almost demanded. Are we lacking in the striker department, well the number of goals to chances created might suggest we are, but would have buying a striker, in the price inflated winter window, have solved that problem, who knows. We could have found out by spending two to three million to find out, two to three million we don't have, given our losses and the FFP requirements, would the gamble have been a wise one. Brighton will make at least six million in proffits this year, we know that becuse that is how much we will pay off our debts, if we were solvent today, that would be six million that could be spent for next year's rebuild, plus the money Oscar would have regardless. With these figures in mind, now would be a good time for Mr. Bloom to consider selling a small percentage of his holdings in the club. A junior partner capable of investing say, twenty million, would see us wipe out our operational debt over night, and that allow us to build a promotion challenging squad for next year, build using our own money without having to concern ourselves with the FFP rules. Twenty million, in the world of football, is not a lot of money and any club that can reduce it's debts by some six millions in one year, has to be an attractive option.[/p][/quote]Good post . I have posted a couple of times recently about the possibility of another shareholder coming in ,this may be the way to go? Took a mate to the game yesterday who said when looking at the big screen pre ko ' who's that chap kicking a ball on the pitch with the little boy? Can he do that? I replied yes if you had spent 100-200million on your club think you might just be allowed to do that? Lovely to see Tony doing that actually.[/p][/quote]Yes, a modest kick around in stark contrast to Michael Knighton who I think had all but acquired Man Utd some twenty odd years ago and then proceeded to show off his ball juggling skills in the centre circle in training gear if I recall. It was apparently the kiss of death to his plans.! wiseman of hove

4:32pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Neville says...

Hi Vegas,
Note your comments and would add my own. Having another investor is not going to allow us to pump anymore more money into the club until FFP is sorted and thats going to be another 3 seasons in all likelyhood.
I see Charlton have just signed Marcus Tudgay from NFrst on loan for the rest of the season, a shame we couldn't do likewise.
I have mentioned before we are one of the few if not only club that currently has only 1 recognised striker, a crazy situation that really should have been addressed before Barnes left.
Realistically CMS and WH are going to play little part in this seasons campaign and who is to say they both will be staying on come end of season.
Next season is a rebuild job with contract expiries,loans finishing etc and to rebuild the squad is going to take a massive effort and for fans to expect a challenge next season I feel is optimistic.
At the start of this season TB expected a top 6 finish,personally I think we will end up around 8th as I feel there are 7 stronger teams than us,I hope I am wrong.
Season ticket renewals are in the process of being actioned in the next few weeks and if the season does tail off it will be interesting to see the response.
Finally was at the match yesterday and great performance apart from the crossing and finishing,however possession is great if you are winning but we were losing 2-0 and still the ball was being played from attacking positions to defence,very frustrating at times. Hopefully now a win at Hull and 3 pts a must now from Millwall.
Hi Vegas, Note your comments and would add my own. Having another investor is not going to allow us to pump anymore more money into the club until FFP is sorted and thats going to be another 3 seasons in all likelyhood. I see Charlton have just signed Marcus Tudgay from NFrst on loan for the rest of the season, a shame we couldn't do likewise. I have mentioned before we are one of the few if not only club that currently has only 1 recognised striker, a crazy situation that really should have been addressed before Barnes left. Realistically CMS and WH are going to play little part in this seasons campaign and who is to say they both will be staying on come end of season. Next season is a rebuild job with contract expiries,loans finishing etc and to rebuild the squad is going to take a massive effort and for fans to expect a challenge next season I feel is optimistic. At the start of this season TB expected a top 6 finish,personally I think we will end up around 8th as I feel there are 7 stronger teams than us,I hope I am wrong. Season ticket renewals are in the process of being actioned in the next few weeks and if the season does tail off it will be interesting to see the response. Finally was at the match yesterday and great performance apart from the crossing and finishing,however possession is great if you are winning but we were losing 2-0 and still the ball was being played from attacking positions to defence,very frustrating at times. Hopefully now a win at Hull and 3 pts a must now from Millwall. Neville

5:06pm Sun 23 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

All may corect me if I am wrog but, it is my understanding that under the FFP rules exisitng owners can't pump bucket loads of extra money into their clubs, I am pretty sure that does not apply to a new board member.
If we were to find a new sponsor for next year, all of that money could be used to pay off our debt, or part there of, new money paying off old debts. To my mind bringing in a new board member/ shareholder, would also be new money, and just as a new sponsor, how the club chose to use that money would be their decision.
As I say, I may be wrong, but I don't think I am.
All may corect me if I am wrog but, it is my understanding that under the FFP rules exisitng owners can't pump bucket loads of extra money into their clubs, I am pretty sure that does not apply to a new board member. If we were to find a new sponsor for next year, all of that money could be used to pay off our debt, or part there of, new money paying off old debts. To my mind bringing in a new board member/ shareholder, would also be new money, and just as a new sponsor, how the club chose to use that money would be their decision. As I say, I may be wrong, but I don't think I am. VegasSeagull

5:09pm Sun 23 Feb 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
QPR, Reading, Forest and Ipswich all lost yesterday, all top six candidates so we didn't lose table position against any them. Before this season is out more points will be dropped and gained by the same teams, nothing is as yet decided regarding the 5th and 6th playoff spots.
The boards of the big spending clubs will be more concerned about results than the Brighton board. Our spending, or lack there of, has been a balanced approach, we bought mainly out of need at the time of purchase, the big spenders have bought with an end result aspiration, promotion. Arry could see his team fail in the playoffs and if that happens, his job could go along with their hopes of promotion, and the same thing could happen at Forest. Big spending gaurentees nothing other than the fact that because you spent big the right results are almost demanded.

Are we lacking in the striker department, well the number of goals to chances created might suggest we are, but would have buying a striker, in the price inflated winter window, have solved that problem, who knows. We could have found out by spending two to three million to find out, two to three million we don't have, given our losses and the FFP requirements, would the gamble have been a wise one.

Brighton will make at least six million in proffits this year, we know that becuse that is how much we will pay off our debts, if we were solvent today, that would be six million that could be spent for next year's rebuild, plus the money Oscar would have regardless. With these figures in mind, now would be a good time for Mr. Bloom to consider selling a small percentage of his holdings in the club. A junior partner capable of investing say, twenty million, would see us wipe out our operational debt over night, and that allow us to build a promotion challenging squad for next year, build using our own money without having to concern ourselves with the FFP rules. Twenty million, in the world of football, is not a lot of money and any club that can reduce it's debts by some six millions in one year, has to be an attractive option.
'm no financial whiz-kid Vegas, but my understanding is that we we can comply with FFP for 2013/2014, (a debt not exceeding £8m), but I've seen no mention of a £6m profit.
Where did you obtain this figure?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: QPR, Reading, Forest and Ipswich all lost yesterday, all top six candidates so we didn't lose table position against any them. Before this season is out more points will be dropped and gained by the same teams, nothing is as yet decided regarding the 5th and 6th playoff spots. The boards of the big spending clubs will be more concerned about results than the Brighton board. Our spending, or lack there of, has been a balanced approach, we bought mainly out of need at the time of purchase, the big spenders have bought with an end result aspiration, promotion. Arry could see his team fail in the playoffs and if that happens, his job could go along with their hopes of promotion, and the same thing could happen at Forest. Big spending gaurentees nothing other than the fact that because you spent big the right results are almost demanded. Are we lacking in the striker department, well the number of goals to chances created might suggest we are, but would have buying a striker, in the price inflated winter window, have solved that problem, who knows. We could have found out by spending two to three million to find out, two to three million we don't have, given our losses and the FFP requirements, would the gamble have been a wise one. Brighton will make at least six million in proffits this year, we know that becuse that is how much we will pay off our debts, if we were solvent today, that would be six million that could be spent for next year's rebuild, plus the money Oscar would have regardless. With these figures in mind, now would be a good time for Mr. Bloom to consider selling a small percentage of his holdings in the club. A junior partner capable of investing say, twenty million, would see us wipe out our operational debt over night, and that allow us to build a promotion challenging squad for next year, build using our own money without having to concern ourselves with the FFP rules. Twenty million, in the world of football, is not a lot of money and any club that can reduce it's debts by some six millions in one year, has to be an attractive option.[/p][/quote]'m no financial whiz-kid Vegas, but my understanding is that we we can comply with FFP for 2013/2014, (a debt not exceeding £8m), but I've seen no mention of a £6m profit. Where did you obtain this figure? gordongull

5:16pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Albion fan in London says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season.
I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel.
With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte.
till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity.
Out of interest did you expect to see a new manager come in after all that's happened to just go and win the league? How are we lacking in all departments compared to who ??? Plus you know we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league yet Greer and Upson who are 50% of it need to be replaced. How are we cautious compared to what last season?? Promotion is NOT beyond us we are near the play off zone with all to play for. "till its not all doom and gloom"??!!

BT look were we were 5 seasons ago and look at who we were signing 5 years ago, maybe you miss the Withdean and prefer seeing lump it football. Get with the picture!!

UTA!!!
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season. I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel. With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte. till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity.[/p][/quote]Out of interest did you expect to see a new manager come in after all that's happened to just go and win the league? How are we lacking in all departments compared to who ??? Plus you know we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league yet Greer and Upson who are 50% of it need to be replaced. How are we cautious compared to what last season?? Promotion is NOT beyond us we are near the play off zone with all to play for. "till its not all doom and gloom"??!! BT look were we were 5 seasons ago and look at who we were signing 5 years ago, maybe you miss the Withdean and prefer seeing lump it football. Get with the picture!! UTA!!! Albion fan in London

5:18pm Sun 23 Feb 14

gordongull says...

Also surely any new investor would come under the catch-all title of' 'Owner',
and have no special powers denied to the existing owner or owners?
Also surely any new investor would come under the catch-all title of' 'Owner', and have no special powers denied to the existing owner or owners? gordongull

5:40pm Sun 23 Feb 14

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
All may corect me if I am wrog but, it is my understanding that under the FFP rules exisitng owners can't pump bucket loads of extra money into their clubs, I am pretty sure that does not apply to a new board member.
If we were to find a new sponsor for next year, all of that money could be used to pay off our debt, or part there of, new money paying off old debts. To my mind bringing in a new board member/ shareholder, would also be new money, and just as a new sponsor, how the club chose to use that money would be their decision.
As I say, I may be wrong, but I don't think I am.
Vegas at a Seagulls over London meeting in November Paul Barber confirmed interestingly that there are strict rules governing sponsorship funds ie a controlling shareholder can't use a corporate entity they control to 'pump' extra funds into their club. This effectively stops one potential avenue that might be used to get round FFP.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: All may corect me if I am wrog but, it is my understanding that under the FFP rules exisitng owners can't pump bucket loads of extra money into their clubs, I am pretty sure that does not apply to a new board member. If we were to find a new sponsor for next year, all of that money could be used to pay off our debt, or part there of, new money paying off old debts. To my mind bringing in a new board member/ shareholder, would also be new money, and just as a new sponsor, how the club chose to use that money would be their decision. As I say, I may be wrong, but I don't think I am.[/p][/quote]Vegas at a Seagulls over London meeting in November Paul Barber confirmed interestingly that there are strict rules governing sponsorship funds ie a controlling shareholder can't use a corporate entity they control to 'pump' extra funds into their club. This effectively stops one potential avenue that might be used to get round FFP. ballantrrae

5:46pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Chi Gull says...

Far gull wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Interesting to see yesterday's results for QPR and Forest. 'arry has spent untold millions on his side - but the play offs now seem the best that QR can hope for. Ditto Forest. Possible food for thought for those who continually call for TB to dig deeper into his pockets and finance new signings.
Of course those who call for more money to be spent usuallly rehash Poyet's 'ceiling' quotation. Interesting to note that Poyet has been at Sunderland now for four months. They took a spanking yesterday and remain in the bottom three.
And after spending a shed load too!
Yes poor old Sunderland. I suppose they will just have to make do with the final of the Capital One Cup, the quarter finals of the FA Cup and being one point away from safety instead of cut adrift at the bottom.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Interesting to see yesterday's results for QPR and Forest. 'arry has spent untold millions on his side - but the play offs now seem the best that QR can hope for. Ditto Forest. Possible food for thought for those who continually call for TB to dig deeper into his pockets and finance new signings. Of course those who call for more money to be spent usuallly rehash Poyet's 'ceiling' quotation. Interesting to note that Poyet has been at Sunderland now for four months. They took a spanking yesterday and remain in the bottom three.[/p][/quote]And after spending a shed load too![/p][/quote]Yes poor old Sunderland. I suppose they will just have to make do with the final of the Capital One Cup, the quarter finals of the FA Cup and being one point away from safety instead of cut adrift at the bottom. Chi Gull

5:49pm Sun 23 Feb 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Albion fan in London says...


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season.
I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel.
With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte.
till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity.
Out of interest did you expect to see a new manager come in after all that's happened to just go and win the league? How are we lacking in all departments compared to who ??? Plus you know we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league yet Greer and Upson who are 50% of it need to be replaced. How are we cautious compared to what last season?? Promotion is NOT beyond us we are near the play off zone with all to play for. "till its not all doom and gloom"??!!

BT look were we were 5 seasons ago and look at who we were signing 5 years ago, maybe you miss the Withdean and prefer seeing lump it football. Get with the picture!!

UTA!!!

No I didn't expect us to win the league - I actually think OG has done as well as anyone could reasonably have expected. this was always going to be a transitional season - mainly because of the shambolic way that Poyet departed from the club. The defence will need to be rebuilt in the summer because Greer and Upson are at the end of their careers - I think Dunk should be in the team instead of Greer now. And I've lost count of the time that Calderon and Bruno have been done for speed by decent wingers.
You ask - 'we are deficient compared to who? Um - the seven clubs above us quite possibly. We are cautious in the sense that if you play with one up front you need midfielders who can chip in with goals. This is manifestly not happening - though I appreciate the injury to Crofts certainly hasn't helped.
I don't miss Withdean at all - though I'll always miss the Goldstone. Neither do I miss 'hoofball', but until we score more goals and can manage more than 1 - 0 wins we won't be credible promotion candidates. You doubt this? Look at the table and see that the teams around us have scored loads more goals than us. You have to go to near the bottom of the table to find teams who have scored less than us. You have to 'GET WITH IT' and see that we're just not good enough this season. Next season may well be a different story when OG has got the players that he wants, rather than the ones he was bequeathed. They weren't good enough last season and they're not good enough now.
Albion fan in London says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season. I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel. With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte. till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity. Out of interest did you expect to see a new manager come in after all that's happened to just go and win the league? How are we lacking in all departments compared to who ??? Plus you know we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league yet Greer and Upson who are 50% of it need to be replaced. How are we cautious compared to what last season?? Promotion is NOT beyond us we are near the play off zone with all to play for. "till its not all doom and gloom"??!! BT look were we were 5 seasons ago and look at who we were signing 5 years ago, maybe you miss the Withdean and prefer seeing lump it football. Get with the picture!! UTA!!! No I didn't expect us to win the league - I actually think OG has done as well as anyone could reasonably have expected. this was always going to be a transitional season - mainly because of the shambolic way that Poyet departed from the club. The defence will need to be rebuilt in the summer because Greer and Upson are at the end of their careers - I think Dunk should be in the team instead of Greer now. And I've lost count of the time that Calderon and Bruno have been done for speed by decent wingers. You ask - 'we are deficient compared to who? Um - the seven clubs above us quite possibly. We are cautious in the sense that if you play with one up front you need midfielders who can chip in with goals. This is manifestly not happening - though I appreciate the injury to Crofts certainly hasn't helped. I don't miss Withdean at all - though I'll always miss the Goldstone. Neither do I miss 'hoofball', but until we score more goals and can manage more than 1 - 0 wins we won't be credible promotion candidates. You doubt this? Look at the table and see that the teams around us have scored loads more goals than us. You have to go to near the bottom of the table to find teams who have scored less than us. You have to 'GET WITH IT' and see that we're just not good enough this season. Next season may well be a different story when OG has got the players that he wants, rather than the ones he was bequeathed. They weren't good enough last season and they're not good enough now. B rian Tawses left foot

6:04pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Chi Gull says...

I would go along with other posters about the FFP rules and the difficulty in getting large sums of new cash into the club. There is the potential to get additional income streams from sponsorship etc and I am sure the club is doing everything to boost those areas. The point is that for a club to continue the finances must be sustainable. Even if a new partner pumped in some money up front - they are not going to do that every year even if the FFP rules allowed it. We have to live within our means, however painful that is. I note that Alan Duffy says we had the highest playing budget in the Championship last season apart from those with parachute payments. I would be interested to know the source of this information. I would be surprised if we had a higher playing budget than say, Leicester, but I would be happy to see the evidence and be proved wrong.
I would go along with other posters about the FFP rules and the difficulty in getting large sums of new cash into the club. There is the potential to get additional income streams from sponsorship etc and I am sure the club is doing everything to boost those areas. The point is that for a club to continue the finances must be sustainable. Even if a new partner pumped in some money up front - they are not going to do that every year even if the FFP rules allowed it. We have to live within our means, however painful that is. I note that Alan Duffy says we had the highest playing budget in the Championship last season apart from those with parachute payments. I would be interested to know the source of this information. I would be surprised if we had a higher playing budget than say, Leicester, but I would be happy to see the evidence and be proved wrong. Chi Gull

6:19pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Albion fan in London says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Albion fan in London says...


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season.
I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel.
With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte.
till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity.
Out of interest did you expect to see a new manager come in after all that's happened to just go and win the league? How are we lacking in all departments compared to who ??? Plus you know we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league yet Greer and Upson who are 50% of it need to be replaced. How are we cautious compared to what last season?? Promotion is NOT beyond us we are near the play off zone with all to play for. "till its not all doom and gloom"??!!

BT look were we were 5 seasons ago and look at who we were signing 5 years ago, maybe you miss the Withdean and prefer seeing lump it football. Get with the picture!!

UTA!!!

No I didn't expect us to win the league - I actually think OG has done as well as anyone could reasonably have expected. this was always going to be a transitional season - mainly because of the shambolic way that Poyet departed from the club. The defence will need to be rebuilt in the summer because Greer and Upson are at the end of their careers - I think Dunk should be in the team instead of Greer now. And I've lost count of the time that Calderon and Bruno have been done for speed by decent wingers.
You ask - 'we are deficient compared to who? Um - the seven clubs above us quite possibly. We are cautious in the sense that if you play with one up front you need midfielders who can chip in with goals. This is manifestly not happening - though I appreciate the injury to Crofts certainly hasn't helped.
I don't miss Withdean at all - though I'll always miss the Goldstone. Neither do I miss 'hoofball', but until we score more goals and can manage more than 1 - 0 wins we won't be credible promotion candidates. You doubt this? Look at the table and see that the teams around us have scored loads more goals than us. You have to go to near the bottom of the table to find teams who have scored less than us. You have to 'GET WITH IT' and see that we're just not good enough this season. Next season may well be a different story when OG has got the players that he wants, rather than the ones he was bequeathed. They weren't good enough last season and they're not good enough now.
I don't know you can suggest replacing a defence boasting the 3rd best record in the league especially regarding Upson who has arguably been our best player to date. Age does not always mean players suddenly become league 2 players overnight look at Distin at Everton just for one example. Its easy to say deficient compared to the rest who are above us but take Derby & Burnley can you honestly say they have better players/squads than us man for man?? The stats don't lie re midfielders not scoring enough goals this season eg Lopez finished with 9 last season and Buckley with 8 , not impossible for them to match these figures but unlikely, Imcant argue we don't score enough goals this imo is the reason we arnt in the top 3 but as you know, we have no CMS no Hoskins, Barnes has gone and Ulloa has missed months so what can we expect ( I want inc Obika im not sure why he is at the club). This said, we are in touching distant of the play offs and there are 15 games left, 5 against promotion chasing rivals which you know as well as I do could go either way so I'm "getting with it", the difference is your view is half empty and mine is half full. All it takes is a run of wins and you are suddenly back in the mix. Oscar Garcia is a coach as we all know and he has very little or no influence in bringing players in whatsoever.

Lastly, have a look at Cardiffs results when they won the league last season, 2-1 / 1-0's al over the place, it can be done.

http://www.cardiffci
ty-mad.co.uk/results
_fixtures/2012_2013/
cardiff_city/index.s
html

laters
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Albion fan in London says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season. I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel. With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte. till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity. Out of interest did you expect to see a new manager come in after all that's happened to just go and win the league? How are we lacking in all departments compared to who ??? Plus you know we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league yet Greer and Upson who are 50% of it need to be replaced. How are we cautious compared to what last season?? Promotion is NOT beyond us we are near the play off zone with all to play for. "till its not all doom and gloom"??!! BT look were we were 5 seasons ago and look at who we were signing 5 years ago, maybe you miss the Withdean and prefer seeing lump it football. Get with the picture!! UTA!!! No I didn't expect us to win the league - I actually think OG has done as well as anyone could reasonably have expected. this was always going to be a transitional season - mainly because of the shambolic way that Poyet departed from the club. The defence will need to be rebuilt in the summer because Greer and Upson are at the end of their careers - I think Dunk should be in the team instead of Greer now. And I've lost count of the time that Calderon and Bruno have been done for speed by decent wingers. You ask - 'we are deficient compared to who? Um - the seven clubs above us quite possibly. We are cautious in the sense that if you play with one up front you need midfielders who can chip in with goals. This is manifestly not happening - though I appreciate the injury to Crofts certainly hasn't helped. I don't miss Withdean at all - though I'll always miss the Goldstone. Neither do I miss 'hoofball', but until we score more goals and can manage more than 1 - 0 wins we won't be credible promotion candidates. You doubt this? Look at the table and see that the teams around us have scored loads more goals than us. You have to go to near the bottom of the table to find teams who have scored less than us. You have to 'GET WITH IT' and see that we're just not good enough this season. Next season may well be a different story when OG has got the players that he wants, rather than the ones he was bequeathed. They weren't good enough last season and they're not good enough now.[/p][/quote]I don't know you can suggest replacing a defence boasting the 3rd best record in the league especially regarding Upson who has arguably been our best player to date. Age does not always mean players suddenly become league 2 players overnight look at Distin at Everton just for one example. Its easy to say deficient compared to the rest who are above us but take Derby & Burnley can you honestly say they have better players/squads than us man for man?? The stats don't lie re midfielders not scoring enough goals this season eg Lopez finished with 9 last season and Buckley with 8 , not impossible for them to match these figures but unlikely, Imcant argue we don't score enough goals this imo is the reason we arnt in the top 3 but as you know, we have no CMS no Hoskins, Barnes has gone and Ulloa has missed months so what can we expect ( I want inc Obika im not sure why he is at the club). This said, we are in touching distant of the play offs and there are 15 games left, 5 against promotion chasing rivals which you know as well as I do could go either way so I'm "getting with it", the difference is your view is half empty and mine is half full. All it takes is a run of wins and you are suddenly back in the mix. Oscar Garcia is a coach as we all know and he has very little or no influence in bringing players in whatsoever. Lastly, have a look at Cardiffs results when they won the league last season, 2-1 / 1-0's al over the place, it can be done. http://www.cardiffci ty-mad.co.uk/results _fixtures/2012_2013/ cardiff_city/index.s html laters Albion fan in London

6:23pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Chi Gull says...

Quite a good mix of positive and not so positive posts today about the strength of our squad and play off chances. From my perspective, I would say we have been playing some of our best football of the season in the last month or so, without always getting the results. Last season we were getting a lot of goals from midfield and the wide players. This season we have suffered from injuries and disruption, particularly with those players who scored a few goals last season - Buckley, Orlandi, Lua Lua in particular. It's easy to be wise in hindsight, but the club did try and get a replacement for Barnes - and it wasn't Obika as was made clear at the time. We couldn't get anyone to come on the wages and length of contract on offer. CMS looked close to being fit and so I am sure the club decided they could manage. I hope that a better/longer loan signing is being lined up, as we are now at risk if we lose Ulloa. As others have said, it isn't easy to get quality for the short term. It is either going to be a Championship striker surplus to requirements (like Tudgay) - or a young striker from the PL looking for game experience (better than Obika). Every club signs a player or two that doesn't fit in. Clearly Agustien doesn't fit in to OG's plans and he didn't like Lita, for whatever reason. We don't see what goes on behind the scenes so we have to trust OGs judgement, and so far he seems to be getting more things right than wrong

Someone in the top 6 will have a wobble, like Palace and Leicester last year. Anyone in our position can make the play offs with a good run of results. Apart of scoring goals - we have a strong squad, and converting chances is partly a confidence thing that can change very quickly. I am staying positive for the time being.
Quite a good mix of positive and not so positive posts today about the strength of our squad and play off chances. From my perspective, I would say we have been playing some of our best football of the season in the last month or so, without always getting the results. Last season we were getting a lot of goals from midfield and the wide players. This season we have suffered from injuries and disruption, particularly with those players who scored a few goals last season - Buckley, Orlandi, Lua Lua in particular. It's easy to be wise in hindsight, but the club did try and get a replacement for Barnes - and it wasn't Obika as was made clear at the time. We couldn't get anyone to come on the wages and length of contract on offer. CMS looked close to being fit and so I am sure the club decided they could manage. I hope that a better/longer loan signing is being lined up, as we are now at risk if we lose Ulloa. As others have said, it isn't easy to get quality for the short term. It is either going to be a Championship striker surplus to requirements (like Tudgay) - or a young striker from the PL looking for game experience (better than Obika). Every club signs a player or two that doesn't fit in. Clearly Agustien doesn't fit in to OG's plans and he didn't like Lita, for whatever reason. We don't see what goes on behind the scenes so we have to trust OGs judgement, and so far he seems to be getting more things right than wrong Someone in the top 6 will have a wobble, like Palace and Leicester last year. Anyone in our position can make the play offs with a good run of results. Apart of scoring goals - we have a strong squad, and converting chances is partly a confidence thing that can change very quickly. I am staying positive for the time being. Chi Gull

6:31pm Sun 23 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

Ok well I stand to be wrong, again :-))
When a club gets sold, a 100% take over the new owner/owners not only by the club they also buy the existing debts. New owners can pay off those debts as part of the purchase deal.
'Selling,' say 20% of the club could bring in 20 million and just as when selling a player, the club can use those funds as they see fit. I accept that there are strict guidelines uner the FFP rules that limit what existing owners can do with regard to pumping in ore money, board members too, but that is not part of what I am suggesting. A board memeber can't filter money thru third parties that they might also have a financial connection with, calling it, 'sponsorship,' the FFP prohibits that, but that too is not what I am suggesting.
My thinking is all about raising new money from a new source that doesn't already have any connection to the club. A, '20%, 'share,' sold to a person or persons,' is not that different from selling a player, the player is an asset, well the shares in the club are also an asset. Perhaps we need Mr. Naylor to look into this, ask those that, 'know,' what the correct ruling on my idea would be.

Gordon Gull, we will pay 6 million off our operational debts this year, Barber has told us that, we didn't borrow that six million to reduce our debt so that MUST mean we made it from the day to day dealings. The sales in the last window certainly made a proffit. I accept that maybe 2 million of the 6 might come from Mr. Bloom, but maybe not given the amount of money we have made from our Cup run todate when added to player sales. We didn't spend much in the window.
Ok well I stand to be wrong, again :-)) When a club gets sold, a 100% take over the new owner/owners not only by the club they also buy the existing debts. New owners can pay off those debts as part of the purchase deal. 'Selling,' say 20% of the club could bring in 20 million and just as when selling a player, the club can use those funds as they see fit. I accept that there are strict guidelines uner the FFP rules that limit what existing owners can do with regard to pumping in ore money, board members too, but that is not part of what I am suggesting. A board memeber can't filter money thru third parties that they might also have a financial connection with, calling it, 'sponsorship,' the FFP prohibits that, but that too is not what I am suggesting. My thinking is all about raising new money from a new source that doesn't already have any connection to the club. A, '20%, 'share,' sold to a person or persons,' is not that different from selling a player, the player is an asset, well the shares in the club are also an asset. Perhaps we need Mr. Naylor to look into this, ask those that, 'know,' what the correct ruling on my idea would be. Gordon Gull, we will pay 6 million off our operational debts this year, Barber has told us that, we didn't borrow that six million to reduce our debt so that MUST mean we made it from the day to day dealings. The sales in the last window certainly made a proffit. I accept that maybe 2 million of the 6 might come from Mr. Bloom, but maybe not given the amount of money we have made from our Cup run todate when added to player sales. We didn't spend much in the window. VegasSeagull

6:33pm Sun 23 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion fan in London wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Albion fan in London says...


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season.
I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel.
With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte.
till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity.
Out of interest did you expect to see a new manager come in after all that's happened to just go and win the league? How are we lacking in all departments compared to who ??? Plus you know we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league yet Greer and Upson who are 50% of it need to be replaced. How are we cautious compared to what last season?? Promotion is NOT beyond us we are near the play off zone with all to play for. "till its not all doom and gloom"??!!

BT look were we were 5 seasons ago and look at who we were signing 5 years ago, maybe you miss the Withdean and prefer seeing lump it football. Get with the picture!!

UTA!!!

No I didn't expect us to win the league - I actually think OG has done as well as anyone could reasonably have expected. this was always going to be a transitional season - mainly because of the shambolic way that Poyet departed from the club. The defence will need to be rebuilt in the summer because Greer and Upson are at the end of their careers - I think Dunk should be in the team instead of Greer now. And I've lost count of the time that Calderon and Bruno have been done for speed by decent wingers.
You ask - 'we are deficient compared to who? Um - the seven clubs above us quite possibly. We are cautious in the sense that if you play with one up front you need midfielders who can chip in with goals. This is manifestly not happening - though I appreciate the injury to Crofts certainly hasn't helped.
I don't miss Withdean at all - though I'll always miss the Goldstone. Neither do I miss 'hoofball', but until we score more goals and can manage more than 1 - 0 wins we won't be credible promotion candidates. You doubt this? Look at the table and see that the teams around us have scored loads more goals than us. You have to go to near the bottom of the table to find teams who have scored less than us. You have to 'GET WITH IT' and see that we're just not good enough this season. Next season may well be a different story when OG has got the players that he wants, rather than the ones he was bequeathed. They weren't good enough last season and they're not good enough now.
I don't know you can suggest replacing a defence boasting the 3rd best record in the league especially regarding Upson who has arguably been our best player to date. Age does not always mean players suddenly become league 2 players overnight look at Distin at Everton just for one example. Its easy to say deficient compared to the rest who are above us but take Derby & Burnley can you honestly say they have better players/squads than us man for man?? The stats don't lie re midfielders not scoring enough goals this season eg Lopez finished with 9 last season and Buckley with 8 , not impossible for them to match these figures but unlikely, Imcant argue we don't score enough goals this imo is the reason we arnt in the top 3 but as you know, we have no CMS no Hoskins, Barnes has gone and Ulloa has missed months so what can we expect ( I want inc Obika im not sure why he is at the club). This said, we are in touching distant of the play offs and there are 15 games left, 5 against promotion chasing rivals which you know as well as I do could go either way so I'm "getting with it", the difference is your view is half empty and mine is half full. All it takes is a run of wins and you are suddenly back in the mix. Oscar Garcia is a coach as we all know and he has very little or no influence in bringing players in whatsoever.

Lastly, have a look at Cardiffs results when they won the league last season, 2-1 / 1-0's al over the place, it can be done.

http://www.cardiffci

ty-mad.co.uk/results

_fixtures/2012_2013/

cardiff_city/index.s

html

laters
There is no reason we can't win most of those games, our defence is the reason we are in the mix... As you say goals are not coming from anyone other than leo.. I don't accept cms was ever going to play anything other than a bit part this season... Hoskins was meant to not play till next season, our problem was selling Barnes ... That decision was not a surprise to those in suits... Barnes turned down a contract in the summer and that was that!
For £750k Burnley have a team player who can score goals, something we are now desperate for, how we sign a loan player who wants to sit on the bench I don't know.... Lack of goals is costing us, was £750k worth missing out on a top 6? Yes it's a lot of money, but can we replace him for less money ?
[quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Albion fan in London says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season. I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel. With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte. till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity. Out of interest did you expect to see a new manager come in after all that's happened to just go and win the league? How are we lacking in all departments compared to who ??? Plus you know we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league yet Greer and Upson who are 50% of it need to be replaced. How are we cautious compared to what last season?? Promotion is NOT beyond us we are near the play off zone with all to play for. "till its not all doom and gloom"??!! BT look were we were 5 seasons ago and look at who we were signing 5 years ago, maybe you miss the Withdean and prefer seeing lump it football. Get with the picture!! UTA!!! No I didn't expect us to win the league - I actually think OG has done as well as anyone could reasonably have expected. this was always going to be a transitional season - mainly because of the shambolic way that Poyet departed from the club. The defence will need to be rebuilt in the summer because Greer and Upson are at the end of their careers - I think Dunk should be in the team instead of Greer now. And I've lost count of the time that Calderon and Bruno have been done for speed by decent wingers. You ask - 'we are deficient compared to who? Um - the seven clubs above us quite possibly. We are cautious in the sense that if you play with one up front you need midfielders who can chip in with goals. This is manifestly not happening - though I appreciate the injury to Crofts certainly hasn't helped. I don't miss Withdean at all - though I'll always miss the Goldstone. Neither do I miss 'hoofball', but until we score more goals and can manage more than 1 - 0 wins we won't be credible promotion candidates. You doubt this? Look at the table and see that the teams around us have scored loads more goals than us. You have to go to near the bottom of the table to find teams who have scored less than us. You have to 'GET WITH IT' and see that we're just not good enough this season. Next season may well be a different story when OG has got the players that he wants, rather than the ones he was bequeathed. They weren't good enough last season and they're not good enough now.[/p][/quote]I don't know you can suggest replacing a defence boasting the 3rd best record in the league especially regarding Upson who has arguably been our best player to date. Age does not always mean players suddenly become league 2 players overnight look at Distin at Everton just for one example. Its easy to say deficient compared to the rest who are above us but take Derby & Burnley can you honestly say they have better players/squads than us man for man?? The stats don't lie re midfielders not scoring enough goals this season eg Lopez finished with 9 last season and Buckley with 8 , not impossible for them to match these figures but unlikely, Imcant argue we don't score enough goals this imo is the reason we arnt in the top 3 but as you know, we have no CMS no Hoskins, Barnes has gone and Ulloa has missed months so what can we expect ( I want inc Obika im not sure why he is at the club). This said, we are in touching distant of the play offs and there are 15 games left, 5 against promotion chasing rivals which you know as well as I do could go either way so I'm "getting with it", the difference is your view is half empty and mine is half full. All it takes is a run of wins and you are suddenly back in the mix. Oscar Garcia is a coach as we all know and he has very little or no influence in bringing players in whatsoever. Lastly, have a look at Cardiffs results when they won the league last season, 2-1 / 1-0's al over the place, it can be done. http://www.cardiffci ty-mad.co.uk/results _fixtures/2012_2013/ cardiff_city/index.s html laters[/p][/quote]There is no reason we can't win most of those games, our defence is the reason we are in the mix... As you say goals are not coming from anyone other than leo.. I don't accept cms was ever going to play anything other than a bit part this season... Hoskins was meant to not play till next season, our problem was selling Barnes ... That decision was not a surprise to those in suits... Barnes turned down a contract in the summer and that was that! For £750k Burnley have a team player who can score goals, something we are now desperate for, how we sign a loan player who wants to sit on the bench I don't know.... Lack of goals is costing us, was £750k worth missing out on a top 6? Yes it's a lot of money, but can we replace him for less money ? mark by the sea

6:44pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Albion fan in London says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Albion fan in London says...


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season.
I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel.
With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte.
till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity.
Out of interest did you expect to see a new manager come in after all that's happened to just go and win the league? How are we lacking in all departments compared to who ??? Plus you know we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league yet Greer and Upson who are 50% of it need to be replaced. How are we cautious compared to what last season?? Promotion is NOT beyond us we are near the play off zone with all to play for. "till its not all doom and gloom"??!!

BT look were we were 5 seasons ago and look at who we were signing 5 years ago, maybe you miss the Withdean and prefer seeing lump it football. Get with the picture!!

UTA!!!

No I didn't expect us to win the league - I actually think OG has done as well as anyone could reasonably have expected. this was always going to be a transitional season - mainly because of the shambolic way that Poyet departed from the club. The defence will need to be rebuilt in the summer because Greer and Upson are at the end of their careers - I think Dunk should be in the team instead of Greer now. And I've lost count of the time that Calderon and Bruno have been done for speed by decent wingers.
You ask - 'we are deficient compared to who? Um - the seven clubs above us quite possibly. We are cautious in the sense that if you play with one up front you need midfielders who can chip in with goals. This is manifestly not happening - though I appreciate the injury to Crofts certainly hasn't helped.
I don't miss Withdean at all - though I'll always miss the Goldstone. Neither do I miss 'hoofball', but until we score more goals and can manage more than 1 - 0 wins we won't be credible promotion candidates. You doubt this? Look at the table and see that the teams around us have scored loads more goals than us. You have to go to near the bottom of the table to find teams who have scored less than us. You have to 'GET WITH IT' and see that we're just not good enough this season. Next season may well be a different story when OG has got the players that he wants, rather than the ones he was bequeathed. They weren't good enough last season and they're not good enough now.
I don't know you can suggest replacing a defence boasting the 3rd best record in the league especially regarding Upson who has arguably been our best player to date. Age does not always mean players suddenly become league 2 players overnight look at Distin at Everton just for one example. Its easy to say deficient compared to the rest who are above us but take Derby & Burnley can you honestly say they have better players/squads than us man for man?? The stats don't lie re midfielders not scoring enough goals this season eg Lopez finished with 9 last season and Buckley with 8 , not impossible for them to match these figures but unlikely, Imcant argue we don't score enough goals this imo is the reason we arnt in the top 3 but as you know, we have no CMS no Hoskins, Barnes has gone and Ulloa has missed months so what can we expect ( I want inc Obika im not sure why he is at the club). This said, we are in touching distant of the play offs and there are 15 games left, 5 against promotion chasing rivals which you know as well as I do could go either way so I'm "getting with it", the difference is your view is half empty and mine is half full. All it takes is a run of wins and you are suddenly back in the mix. Oscar Garcia is a coach as we all know and he has very little or no influence in bringing players in whatsoever.

Lastly, have a look at Cardiffs results when they won the league last season, 2-1 / 1-0's al over the place, it can be done.

http://www.cardiffci


ty-mad.co.uk/results


_fixtures/2012_2013/


cardiff_city/index.s


html

laters
There is no reason we can't win most of those games, our defence is the reason we are in the mix... As you say goals are not coming from anyone other than leo.. I don't accept cms was ever going to play anything other than a bit part this season... Hoskins was meant to not play till next season, our problem was selling Barnes ... That decision was not a surprise to those in suits... Barnes turned down a contract in the summer and that was that!
For £750k Burnley have a team player who can score goals, something we are now desperate for, how we sign a loan player who wants to sit on the bench I don't know.... Lack of goals is costing us, was £750k worth missing out on a top 6? Yes it's a lot of money, but can we replace him for less money ?
Agree with all of this however what do with Barnes? Offer him a long contract and then expect him to fly in the premier league? He would be surplus should we go up (god forbid this season!!) infact this is the problem with a lot of our players coming to the end of their contracts because in reality IF we go up we will release a lot of them eg Orlandi who falls into that bracket.
The truth is we didn't replace Barnes for THIS season, Lita sulked for most of his time with us and Obika simply is no way near good enough. We could go into lists of players who could "do a job" but the timing of these contracts coming to their natural ends has not done us any favours. Lets not forget who shirked the reasonability of sorting these out at the start of this season!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Albion fan in London says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season. I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel. With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte. till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity. Out of interest did you expect to see a new manager come in after all that's happened to just go and win the league? How are we lacking in all departments compared to who ??? Plus you know we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league yet Greer and Upson who are 50% of it need to be replaced. How are we cautious compared to what last season?? Promotion is NOT beyond us we are near the play off zone with all to play for. "till its not all doom and gloom"??!! BT look were we were 5 seasons ago and look at who we were signing 5 years ago, maybe you miss the Withdean and prefer seeing lump it football. Get with the picture!! UTA!!! No I didn't expect us to win the league - I actually think OG has done as well as anyone could reasonably have expected. this was always going to be a transitional season - mainly because of the shambolic way that Poyet departed from the club. The defence will need to be rebuilt in the summer because Greer and Upson are at the end of their careers - I think Dunk should be in the team instead of Greer now. And I've lost count of the time that Calderon and Bruno have been done for speed by decent wingers. You ask - 'we are deficient compared to who? Um - the seven clubs above us quite possibly. We are cautious in the sense that if you play with one up front you need midfielders who can chip in with goals. This is manifestly not happening - though I appreciate the injury to Crofts certainly hasn't helped. I don't miss Withdean at all - though I'll always miss the Goldstone. Neither do I miss 'hoofball', but until we score more goals and can manage more than 1 - 0 wins we won't be credible promotion candidates. You doubt this? Look at the table and see that the teams around us have scored loads more goals than us. You have to go to near the bottom of the table to find teams who have scored less than us. You have to 'GET WITH IT' and see that we're just not good enough this season. Next season may well be a different story when OG has got the players that he wants, rather than the ones he was bequeathed. They weren't good enough last season and they're not good enough now.[/p][/quote]I don't know you can suggest replacing a defence boasting the 3rd best record in the league especially regarding Upson who has arguably been our best player to date. Age does not always mean players suddenly become league 2 players overnight look at Distin at Everton just for one example. Its easy to say deficient compared to the rest who are above us but take Derby & Burnley can you honestly say they have better players/squads than us man for man?? The stats don't lie re midfielders not scoring enough goals this season eg Lopez finished with 9 last season and Buckley with 8 , not impossible for them to match these figures but unlikely, Imcant argue we don't score enough goals this imo is the reason we arnt in the top 3 but as you know, we have no CMS no Hoskins, Barnes has gone and Ulloa has missed months so what can we expect ( I want inc Obika im not sure why he is at the club). This said, we are in touching distant of the play offs and there are 15 games left, 5 against promotion chasing rivals which you know as well as I do could go either way so I'm "getting with it", the difference is your view is half empty and mine is half full. All it takes is a run of wins and you are suddenly back in the mix. Oscar Garcia is a coach as we all know and he has very little or no influence in bringing players in whatsoever. Lastly, have a look at Cardiffs results when they won the league last season, 2-1 / 1-0's al over the place, it can be done. http://www.cardiffci ty-mad.co.uk/results _fixtures/2012_2013/ cardiff_city/index.s html laters[/p][/quote]There is no reason we can't win most of those games, our defence is the reason we are in the mix... As you say goals are not coming from anyone other than leo.. I don't accept cms was ever going to play anything other than a bit part this season... Hoskins was meant to not play till next season, our problem was selling Barnes ... That decision was not a surprise to those in suits... Barnes turned down a contract in the summer and that was that! For £750k Burnley have a team player who can score goals, something we are now desperate for, how we sign a loan player who wants to sit on the bench I don't know.... Lack of goals is costing us, was £750k worth missing out on a top 6? Yes it's a lot of money, but can we replace him for less money ?[/p][/quote]Agree with all of this however what do with Barnes? Offer him a long contract and then expect him to fly in the premier league? He would be surplus should we go up (god forbid this season!!) infact this is the problem with a lot of our players coming to the end of their contracts because in reality IF we go up we will release a lot of them eg Orlandi who falls into that bracket. The truth is we didn't replace Barnes for THIS season, Lita sulked for most of his time with us and Obika simply is no way near good enough. We could go into lists of players who could "do a job" but the timing of these contracts coming to their natural ends has not done us any favours. Lets not forget who shirked the reasonability of sorting these out at the start of this season! Albion fan in London

6:51pm Sun 23 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion fan in London wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Albion fan in London says...


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season.
I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel.
With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte.
till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity.
Out of interest did you expect to see a new manager come in after all that's happened to just go and win the league? How are we lacking in all departments compared to who ??? Plus you know we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league yet Greer and Upson who are 50% of it need to be replaced. How are we cautious compared to what last season?? Promotion is NOT beyond us we are near the play off zone with all to play for. "till its not all doom and gloom"??!!

BT look were we were 5 seasons ago and look at who we were signing 5 years ago, maybe you miss the Withdean and prefer seeing lump it football. Get with the picture!!

UTA!!!

No I didn't expect us to win the league - I actually think OG has done as well as anyone could reasonably have expected. this was always going to be a transitional season - mainly because of the shambolic way that Poyet departed from the club. The defence will need to be rebuilt in the summer because Greer and Upson are at the end of their careers - I think Dunk should be in the team instead of Greer now. And I've lost count of the time that Calderon and Bruno have been done for speed by decent wingers.
You ask - 'we are deficient compared to who? Um - the seven clubs above us quite possibly. We are cautious in the sense that if you play with one up front you need midfielders who can chip in with goals. This is manifestly not happening - though I appreciate the injury to Crofts certainly hasn't helped.
I don't miss Withdean at all - though I'll always miss the Goldstone. Neither do I miss 'hoofball', but until we score more goals and can manage more than 1 - 0 wins we won't be credible promotion candidates. You doubt this? Look at the table and see that the teams around us have scored loads more goals than us. You have to go to near the bottom of the table to find teams who have scored less than us. You have to 'GET WITH IT' and see that we're just not good enough this season. Next season may well be a different story when OG has got the players that he wants, rather than the ones he was bequeathed. They weren't good enough last season and they're not good enough now.
I don't know you can suggest replacing a defence boasting the 3rd best record in the league especially regarding Upson who has arguably been our best player to date. Age does not always mean players suddenly become league 2 players overnight look at Distin at Everton just for one example. Its easy to say deficient compared to the rest who are above us but take Derby & Burnley can you honestly say they have better players/squads than us man for man?? The stats don't lie re midfielders not scoring enough goals this season eg Lopez finished with 9 last season and Buckley with 8 , not impossible for them to match these figures but unlikely, Imcant argue we don't score enough goals this imo is the reason we arnt in the top 3 but as you know, we have no CMS no Hoskins, Barnes has gone and Ulloa has missed months so what can we expect ( I want inc Obika im not sure why he is at the club). This said, we are in touching distant of the play offs and there are 15 games left, 5 against promotion chasing rivals which you know as well as I do could go either way so I'm "getting with it", the difference is your view is half empty and mine is half full. All it takes is a run of wins and you are suddenly back in the mix. Oscar Garcia is a coach as we all know and he has very little or no influence in bringing players in whatsoever.

Lastly, have a look at Cardiffs results when they won the league last season, 2-1 / 1-0's al over the place, it can be done.

http://www.cardiffci



ty-mad.co.uk/results



_fixtures/2012_2013/



cardiff_city/index.s



html

laters
There is no reason we can't win most of those games, our defence is the reason we are in the mix... As you say goals are not coming from anyone other than leo.. I don't accept cms was ever going to play anything other than a bit part this season... Hoskins was meant to not play till next season, our problem was selling Barnes ... That decision was not a surprise to those in suits... Barnes turned down a contract in the summer and that was that!
For £750k Burnley have a team player who can score goals, something we are now desperate for, how we sign a loan player who wants to sit on the bench I don't know.... Lack of goals is costing us, was £750k worth missing out on a top 6? Yes it's a lot of money, but can we replace him for less money ?
Agree with all of this however what do with Barnes? Offer him a long contract and then expect him to fly in the premier league? He would be surplus should we go up (god forbid this season!!) infact this is the problem with a lot of our players coming to the end of their contracts because in reality IF we go up we will release a lot of them eg Orlandi who falls into that bracket.
The truth is we didn't replace Barnes for THIS season, Lita sulked for most of his time with us and Obika simply is no way near good enough. We could go into lists of players who could "do a job" but the timing of these contracts coming to their natural ends has not done us any favours. Lets not forget who shirked the reasonability of sorting these out at the start of this season!
We played for about two months with one striker when Barnes and ulloa were out, yes it's tricky because cms and Hoskins will return, but I am not sure where either would play if fit? Cms instead of dave2 maybe? Would that work? We have sold players without a plan.. Or so it seems .. Lose Leo to a injury and it becomes a farce.
[quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Albion fan in London says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season. I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel. With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte. till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity. Out of interest did you expect to see a new manager come in after all that's happened to just go and win the league? How are we lacking in all departments compared to who ??? Plus you know we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league yet Greer and Upson who are 50% of it need to be replaced. How are we cautious compared to what last season?? Promotion is NOT beyond us we are near the play off zone with all to play for. "till its not all doom and gloom"??!! BT look were we were 5 seasons ago and look at who we were signing 5 years ago, maybe you miss the Withdean and prefer seeing lump it football. Get with the picture!! UTA!!! No I didn't expect us to win the league - I actually think OG has done as well as anyone could reasonably have expected. this was always going to be a transitional season - mainly because of the shambolic way that Poyet departed from the club. The defence will need to be rebuilt in the summer because Greer and Upson are at the end of their careers - I think Dunk should be in the team instead of Greer now. And I've lost count of the time that Calderon and Bruno have been done for speed by decent wingers. You ask - 'we are deficient compared to who? Um - the seven clubs above us quite possibly. We are cautious in the sense that if you play with one up front you need midfielders who can chip in with goals. This is manifestly not happening - though I appreciate the injury to Crofts certainly hasn't helped. I don't miss Withdean at all - though I'll always miss the Goldstone. Neither do I miss 'hoofball', but until we score more goals and can manage more than 1 - 0 wins we won't be credible promotion candidates. You doubt this? Look at the table and see that the teams around us have scored loads more goals than us. You have to go to near the bottom of the table to find teams who have scored less than us. You have to 'GET WITH IT' and see that we're just not good enough this season. Next season may well be a different story when OG has got the players that he wants, rather than the ones he was bequeathed. They weren't good enough last season and they're not good enough now.[/p][/quote]I don't know you can suggest replacing a defence boasting the 3rd best record in the league especially regarding Upson who has arguably been our best player to date. Age does not always mean players suddenly become league 2 players overnight look at Distin at Everton just for one example. Its easy to say deficient compared to the rest who are above us but take Derby & Burnley can you honestly say they have better players/squads than us man for man?? The stats don't lie re midfielders not scoring enough goals this season eg Lopez finished with 9 last season and Buckley with 8 , not impossible for them to match these figures but unlikely, Imcant argue we don't score enough goals this imo is the reason we arnt in the top 3 but as you know, we have no CMS no Hoskins, Barnes has gone and Ulloa has missed months so what can we expect ( I want inc Obika im not sure why he is at the club). This said, we are in touching distant of the play offs and there are 15 games left, 5 against promotion chasing rivals which you know as well as I do could go either way so I'm "getting with it", the difference is your view is half empty and mine is half full. All it takes is a run of wins and you are suddenly back in the mix. Oscar Garcia is a coach as we all know and he has very little or no influence in bringing players in whatsoever. Lastly, have a look at Cardiffs results when they won the league last season, 2-1 / 1-0's al over the place, it can be done. http://www.cardiffci ty-mad.co.uk/results _fixtures/2012_2013/ cardiff_city/index.s html laters[/p][/quote]There is no reason we can't win most of those games, our defence is the reason we are in the mix... As you say goals are not coming from anyone other than leo.. I don't accept cms was ever going to play anything other than a bit part this season... Hoskins was meant to not play till next season, our problem was selling Barnes ... That decision was not a surprise to those in suits... Barnes turned down a contract in the summer and that was that! For £750k Burnley have a team player who can score goals, something we are now desperate for, how we sign a loan player who wants to sit on the bench I don't know.... Lack of goals is costing us, was £750k worth missing out on a top 6? Yes it's a lot of money, but can we replace him for less money ?[/p][/quote]Agree with all of this however what do with Barnes? Offer him a long contract and then expect him to fly in the premier league? He would be surplus should we go up (god forbid this season!!) infact this is the problem with a lot of our players coming to the end of their contracts because in reality IF we go up we will release a lot of them eg Orlandi who falls into that bracket. The truth is we didn't replace Barnes for THIS season, Lita sulked for most of his time with us and Obika simply is no way near good enough. We could go into lists of players who could "do a job" but the timing of these contracts coming to their natural ends has not done us any favours. Lets not forget who shirked the reasonability of sorting these out at the start of this season![/p][/quote]We played for about two months with one striker when Barnes and ulloa were out, yes it's tricky because cms and Hoskins will return, but I am not sure where either would play if fit? Cms instead of dave2 maybe? Would that work? We have sold players without a plan.. Or so it seems .. Lose Leo to a injury and it becomes a farce. mark by the sea

7:01pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Albion fan in London says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Albion fan in London says...


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season.
I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel.
With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte.
till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity.
Out of interest did you expect to see a new manager come in after all that's happened to just go and win the league? How are we lacking in all departments compared to who ??? Plus you know we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league yet Greer and Upson who are 50% of it need to be replaced. How are we cautious compared to what last season?? Promotion is NOT beyond us we are near the play off zone with all to play for. "till its not all doom and gloom"??!!

BT look were we were 5 seasons ago and look at who we were signing 5 years ago, maybe you miss the Withdean and prefer seeing lump it football. Get with the picture!!

UTA!!!

No I didn't expect us to win the league - I actually think OG has done as well as anyone could reasonably have expected. this was always going to be a transitional season - mainly because of the shambolic way that Poyet departed from the club. The defence will need to be rebuilt in the summer because Greer and Upson are at the end of their careers - I think Dunk should be in the team instead of Greer now. And I've lost count of the time that Calderon and Bruno have been done for speed by decent wingers.
You ask - 'we are deficient compared to who? Um - the seven clubs above us quite possibly. We are cautious in the sense that if you play with one up front you need midfielders who can chip in with goals. This is manifestly not happening - though I appreciate the injury to Crofts certainly hasn't helped.
I don't miss Withdean at all - though I'll always miss the Goldstone. Neither do I miss 'hoofball', but until we score more goals and can manage more than 1 - 0 wins we won't be credible promotion candidates. You doubt this? Look at the table and see that the teams around us have scored loads more goals than us. You have to go to near the bottom of the table to find teams who have scored less than us. You have to 'GET WITH IT' and see that we're just not good enough this season. Next season may well be a different story when OG has got the players that he wants, rather than the ones he was bequeathed. They weren't good enough last season and they're not good enough now.
I don't know you can suggest replacing a defence boasting the 3rd best record in the league especially regarding Upson who has arguably been our best player to date. Age does not always mean players suddenly become league 2 players overnight look at Distin at Everton just for one example. Its easy to say deficient compared to the rest who are above us but take Derby & Burnley can you honestly say they have better players/squads than us man for man?? The stats don't lie re midfielders not scoring enough goals this season eg Lopez finished with 9 last season and Buckley with 8 , not impossible for them to match these figures but unlikely, Imcant argue we don't score enough goals this imo is the reason we arnt in the top 3 but as you know, we have no CMS no Hoskins, Barnes has gone and Ulloa has missed months so what can we expect ( I want inc Obika im not sure why he is at the club). This said, we are in touching distant of the play offs and there are 15 games left, 5 against promotion chasing rivals which you know as well as I do could go either way so I'm "getting with it", the difference is your view is half empty and mine is half full. All it takes is a run of wins and you are suddenly back in the mix. Oscar Garcia is a coach as we all know and he has very little or no influence in bringing players in whatsoever.

Lastly, have a look at Cardiffs results when they won the league last season, 2-1 / 1-0's al over the place, it can be done.

http://www.cardiffci




ty-mad.co.uk/results




_fixtures/2012_2013/




cardiff_city/index.s




html

laters
There is no reason we can't win most of those games, our defence is the reason we are in the mix... As you say goals are not coming from anyone other than leo.. I don't accept cms was ever going to play anything other than a bit part this season... Hoskins was meant to not play till next season, our problem was selling Barnes ... That decision was not a surprise to those in suits... Barnes turned down a contract in the summer and that was that!
For £750k Burnley have a team player who can score goals, something we are now desperate for, how we sign a loan player who wants to sit on the bench I don't know.... Lack of goals is costing us, was £750k worth missing out on a top 6? Yes it's a lot of money, but can we replace him for less money ?
Agree with all of this however what do with Barnes? Offer him a long contract and then expect him to fly in the premier league? He would be surplus should we go up (god forbid this season!!) infact this is the problem with a lot of our players coming to the end of their contracts because in reality IF we go up we will release a lot of them eg Orlandi who falls into that bracket.
The truth is we didn't replace Barnes for THIS season, Lita sulked for most of his time with us and Obika simply is no way near good enough. We could go into lists of players who could "do a job" but the timing of these contracts coming to their natural ends has not done us any favours. Lets not forget who shirked the reasonability of sorting these out at the start of this season!
We played for about two months with one striker when Barnes and ulloa were out, yes it's tricky because cms and Hoskins will return, but I am not sure where either would play if fit? Cms instead of dave2 maybe? Would that work? We have sold players without a plan.. Or so it seems .. Lose Leo to a injury and it becomes a farce.
Hoskins is an unknown quantity and we know what we will get with CMS under GP but not OG, Agreed Leo is absolutely key to us having any chance he seems to be back on it as well which is good.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Albion fan in London says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season. I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel. With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte. till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity. Out of interest did you expect to see a new manager come in after all that's happened to just go and win the league? How are we lacking in all departments compared to who ??? Plus you know we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league yet Greer and Upson who are 50% of it need to be replaced. How are we cautious compared to what last season?? Promotion is NOT beyond us we are near the play off zone with all to play for. "till its not all doom and gloom"??!! BT look were we were 5 seasons ago and look at who we were signing 5 years ago, maybe you miss the Withdean and prefer seeing lump it football. Get with the picture!! UTA!!! No I didn't expect us to win the league - I actually think OG has done as well as anyone could reasonably have expected. this was always going to be a transitional season - mainly because of the shambolic way that Poyet departed from the club. The defence will need to be rebuilt in the summer because Greer and Upson are at the end of their careers - I think Dunk should be in the team instead of Greer now. And I've lost count of the time that Calderon and Bruno have been done for speed by decent wingers. You ask - 'we are deficient compared to who? Um - the seven clubs above us quite possibly. We are cautious in the sense that if you play with one up front you need midfielders who can chip in with goals. This is manifestly not happening - though I appreciate the injury to Crofts certainly hasn't helped. I don't miss Withdean at all - though I'll always miss the Goldstone. Neither do I miss 'hoofball', but until we score more goals and can manage more than 1 - 0 wins we won't be credible promotion candidates. You doubt this? Look at the table and see that the teams around us have scored loads more goals than us. You have to go to near the bottom of the table to find teams who have scored less than us. You have to 'GET WITH IT' and see that we're just not good enough this season. Next season may well be a different story when OG has got the players that he wants, rather than the ones he was bequeathed. They weren't good enough last season and they're not good enough now.[/p][/quote]I don't know you can suggest replacing a defence boasting the 3rd best record in the league especially regarding Upson who has arguably been our best player to date. Age does not always mean players suddenly become league 2 players overnight look at Distin at Everton just for one example. Its easy to say deficient compared to the rest who are above us but take Derby & Burnley can you honestly say they have better players/squads than us man for man?? The stats don't lie re midfielders not scoring enough goals this season eg Lopez finished with 9 last season and Buckley with 8 , not impossible for them to match these figures but unlikely, Imcant argue we don't score enough goals this imo is the reason we arnt in the top 3 but as you know, we have no CMS no Hoskins, Barnes has gone and Ulloa has missed months so what can we expect ( I want inc Obika im not sure why he is at the club). This said, we are in touching distant of the play offs and there are 15 games left, 5 against promotion chasing rivals which you know as well as I do could go either way so I'm "getting with it", the difference is your view is half empty and mine is half full. All it takes is a run of wins and you are suddenly back in the mix. Oscar Garcia is a coach as we all know and he has very little or no influence in bringing players in whatsoever. Lastly, have a look at Cardiffs results when they won the league last season, 2-1 / 1-0's al over the place, it can be done. http://www.cardiffci ty-mad.co.uk/results _fixtures/2012_2013/ cardiff_city/index.s html laters[/p][/quote]There is no reason we can't win most of those games, our defence is the reason we are in the mix... As you say goals are not coming from anyone other than leo.. I don't accept cms was ever going to play anything other than a bit part this season... Hoskins was meant to not play till next season, our problem was selling Barnes ... That decision was not a surprise to those in suits... Barnes turned down a contract in the summer and that was that! For £750k Burnley have a team player who can score goals, something we are now desperate for, how we sign a loan player who wants to sit on the bench I don't know.... Lack of goals is costing us, was £750k worth missing out on a top 6? Yes it's a lot of money, but can we replace him for less money ?[/p][/quote]Agree with all of this however what do with Barnes? Offer him a long contract and then expect him to fly in the premier league? He would be surplus should we go up (god forbid this season!!) infact this is the problem with a lot of our players coming to the end of their contracts because in reality IF we go up we will release a lot of them eg Orlandi who falls into that bracket. The truth is we didn't replace Barnes for THIS season, Lita sulked for most of his time with us and Obika simply is no way near good enough. We could go into lists of players who could "do a job" but the timing of these contracts coming to their natural ends has not done us any favours. Lets not forget who shirked the reasonability of sorting these out at the start of this season![/p][/quote]We played for about two months with one striker when Barnes and ulloa were out, yes it's tricky because cms and Hoskins will return, but I am not sure where either would play if fit? Cms instead of dave2 maybe? Would that work? We have sold players without a plan.. Or so it seems .. Lose Leo to a injury and it becomes a farce.[/p][/quote]Hoskins is an unknown quantity and we know what we will get with CMS under GP but not OG, Agreed Leo is absolutely key to us having any chance he seems to be back on it as well which is good. Albion fan in London

7:01pm Sun 23 Feb 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Ok well I stand to be wrong, again :-))
When a club gets sold, a 100% take over the new owner/owners not only by the club they also buy the existing debts. New owners can pay off those debts as part of the purchase deal.
'Selling,' say 20% of the club could bring in 20 million and just as when selling a player, the club can use those funds as they see fit. I accept that there are strict guidelines uner the FFP rules that limit what existing owners can do with regard to pumping in ore money, board members too, but that is not part of what I am suggesting. A board memeber can't filter money thru third parties that they might also have a financial connection with, calling it, 'sponsorship,' the FFP prohibits that, but that too is not what I am suggesting.
My thinking is all about raising new money from a new source that doesn't already have any connection to the club. A, '20%, 'share,' sold to a person or persons,' is not that different from selling a player, the player is an asset, well the shares in the club are also an asset. Perhaps we need Mr. Naylor to look into this, ask those that, 'know,' what the correct ruling on my idea would be.

Gordon Gull, we will pay 6 million off our operational debts this year, Barber has told us that, we didn't borrow that six million to reduce our debt so that MUST mean we made it from the day to day dealings. The sales in the last window certainly made a proffit. I accept that maybe 2 million of the 6 might come from Mr. Bloom, but maybe not given the amount of money we have made from our Cup run todate when added to player sales. We didn't spend much in the window.
Thanks for your reply Vegas.
This debt aplies to the accounts for the 2012/2013 season, before the FFP regulations.
There is nothing to prevent Mr Bloom from repaying the debt out of his own pocket.
Why do you assume that it is coming out of this year's profits when the accounts for 2013/2014 will not be submitted until December, and we have been told that losses of up to £8m are expected?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Ok well I stand to be wrong, again :-)) When a club gets sold, a 100% take over the new owner/owners not only by the club they also buy the existing debts. New owners can pay off those debts as part of the purchase deal. 'Selling,' say 20% of the club could bring in 20 million and just as when selling a player, the club can use those funds as they see fit. I accept that there are strict guidelines uner the FFP rules that limit what existing owners can do with regard to pumping in ore money, board members too, but that is not part of what I am suggesting. A board memeber can't filter money thru third parties that they might also have a financial connection with, calling it, 'sponsorship,' the FFP prohibits that, but that too is not what I am suggesting. My thinking is all about raising new money from a new source that doesn't already have any connection to the club. A, '20%, 'share,' sold to a person or persons,' is not that different from selling a player, the player is an asset, well the shares in the club are also an asset. Perhaps we need Mr. Naylor to look into this, ask those that, 'know,' what the correct ruling on my idea would be. Gordon Gull, we will pay 6 million off our operational debts this year, Barber has told us that, we didn't borrow that six million to reduce our debt so that MUST mean we made it from the day to day dealings. The sales in the last window certainly made a proffit. I accept that maybe 2 million of the 6 might come from Mr. Bloom, but maybe not given the amount of money we have made from our Cup run todate when added to player sales. We didn't spend much in the window.[/p][/quote]Thanks for your reply Vegas. This debt aplies to the accounts for the 2012/2013 season, before the FFP regulations. There is nothing to prevent Mr Bloom from repaying the debt out of his own pocket. Why do you assume that it is coming out of this year's profits when the accounts for 2013/2014 will not be submitted until December, and we have been told that losses of up to £8m are expected? gordongull

7:09pm Sun 23 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion fan in London wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Albion fan in London says...


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season.
I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel.
With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte.
till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity.
Out of interest did you expect to see a new manager come in after all that's happened to just go and win the league? How are we lacking in all departments compared to who ??? Plus you know we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league yet Greer and Upson who are 50% of it need to be replaced. How are we cautious compared to what last season?? Promotion is NOT beyond us we are near the play off zone with all to play for. "till its not all doom and gloom"??!!

BT look were we were 5 seasons ago and look at who we were signing 5 years ago, maybe you miss the Withdean and prefer seeing lump it football. Get with the picture!!

UTA!!!

No I didn't expect us to win the league - I actually think OG has done as well as anyone could reasonably have expected. this was always going to be a transitional season - mainly because of the shambolic way that Poyet departed from the club. The defence will need to be rebuilt in the summer because Greer and Upson are at the end of their careers - I think Dunk should be in the team instead of Greer now. And I've lost count of the time that Calderon and Bruno have been done for speed by decent wingers.
You ask - 'we are deficient compared to who? Um - the seven clubs above us quite possibly. We are cautious in the sense that if you play with one up front you need midfielders who can chip in with goals. This is manifestly not happening - though I appreciate the injury to Crofts certainly hasn't helped.
I don't miss Withdean at all - though I'll always miss the Goldstone. Neither do I miss 'hoofball', but until we score more goals and can manage more than 1 - 0 wins we won't be credible promotion candidates. You doubt this? Look at the table and see that the teams around us have scored loads more goals than us. You have to go to near the bottom of the table to find teams who have scored less than us. You have to 'GET WITH IT' and see that we're just not good enough this season. Next season may well be a different story when OG has got the players that he wants, rather than the ones he was bequeathed. They weren't good enough last season and they're not good enough now.
I don't know you can suggest replacing a defence boasting the 3rd best record in the league especially regarding Upson who has arguably been our best player to date. Age does not always mean players suddenly become league 2 players overnight look at Distin at Everton just for one example. Its easy to say deficient compared to the rest who are above us but take Derby & Burnley can you honestly say they have better players/squads than us man for man?? The stats don't lie re midfielders not scoring enough goals this season eg Lopez finished with 9 last season and Buckley with 8 , not impossible for them to match these figures but unlikely, Imcant argue we don't score enough goals this imo is the reason we arnt in the top 3 but as you know, we have no CMS no Hoskins, Barnes has gone and Ulloa has missed months so what can we expect ( I want inc Obika im not sure why he is at the club). This said, we are in touching distant of the play offs and there are 15 games left, 5 against promotion chasing rivals which you know as well as I do could go either way so I'm "getting with it", the difference is your view is half empty and mine is half full. All it takes is a run of wins and you are suddenly back in the mix. Oscar Garcia is a coach as we all know and he has very little or no influence in bringing players in whatsoever.

Lastly, have a look at Cardiffs results when they won the league last season, 2-1 / 1-0's al over the place, it can be done.

http://www.cardiffci





ty-mad.co.uk/results





_fixtures/2012_2013/





cardiff_city/index.s





html

laters
There is no reason we can't win most of those games, our defence is the reason we are in the mix... As you say goals are not coming from anyone other than leo.. I don't accept cms was ever going to play anything other than a bit part this season... Hoskins was meant to not play till next season, our problem was selling Barnes ... That decision was not a surprise to those in suits... Barnes turned down a contract in the summer and that was that!
For £750k Burnley have a team player who can score goals, something we are now desperate for, how we sign a loan player who wants to sit on the bench I don't know.... Lack of goals is costing us, was £750k worth missing out on a top 6? Yes it's a lot of money, but can we replace him for less money ?
Agree with all of this however what do with Barnes? Offer him a long contract and then expect him to fly in the premier league? He would be surplus should we go up (god forbid this season!!) infact this is the problem with a lot of our players coming to the end of their contracts because in reality IF we go up we will release a lot of them eg Orlandi who falls into that bracket.
The truth is we didn't replace Barnes for THIS season, Lita sulked for most of his time with us and Obika simply is no way near good enough. We could go into lists of players who could "do a job" but the timing of these contracts coming to their natural ends has not done us any favours. Lets not forget who shirked the reasonability of sorting these out at the start of this season!
We played for about two months with one striker when Barnes and ulloa were out, yes it's tricky because cms and Hoskins will return, but I am not sure where either would play if fit? Cms instead of dave2 maybe? Would that work? We have sold players without a plan.. Or so it seems .. Lose Leo to a injury and it becomes a farce.
Hoskins is an unknown quantity and we know what we will get with CMS under GP but not OG, Agreed Leo is absolutely key to us having any chance he seems to be back on it as well which is good.
When we signed Leo, we had Barnes , CMS , and Hoskins all fit,
We now have Leo fit, and obika ...two weeks for the loan window and then it's down to hope and prayer ..what is frustrating is this division is weaker than last year, and with parachute payments promotion will only get harder..
[quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Albion fan in London says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season. I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel. With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte. till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity. Out of interest did you expect to see a new manager come in after all that's happened to just go and win the league? How are we lacking in all departments compared to who ??? Plus you know we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league yet Greer and Upson who are 50% of it need to be replaced. How are we cautious compared to what last season?? Promotion is NOT beyond us we are near the play off zone with all to play for. "till its not all doom and gloom"??!! BT look were we were 5 seasons ago and look at who we were signing 5 years ago, maybe you miss the Withdean and prefer seeing lump it football. Get with the picture!! UTA!!! No I didn't expect us to win the league - I actually think OG has done as well as anyone could reasonably have expected. this was always going to be a transitional season - mainly because of the shambolic way that Poyet departed from the club. The defence will need to be rebuilt in the summer because Greer and Upson are at the end of their careers - I think Dunk should be in the team instead of Greer now. And I've lost count of the time that Calderon and Bruno have been done for speed by decent wingers. You ask - 'we are deficient compared to who? Um - the seven clubs above us quite possibly. We are cautious in the sense that if you play with one up front you need midfielders who can chip in with goals. This is manifestly not happening - though I appreciate the injury to Crofts certainly hasn't helped. I don't miss Withdean at all - though I'll always miss the Goldstone. Neither do I miss 'hoofball', but until we score more goals and can manage more than 1 - 0 wins we won't be credible promotion candidates. You doubt this? Look at the table and see that the teams around us have scored loads more goals than us. You have to go to near the bottom of the table to find teams who have scored less than us. You have to 'GET WITH IT' and see that we're just not good enough this season. Next season may well be a different story when OG has got the players that he wants, rather than the ones he was bequeathed. They weren't good enough last season and they're not good enough now.[/p][/quote]I don't know you can suggest replacing a defence boasting the 3rd best record in the league especially regarding Upson who has arguably been our best player to date. Age does not always mean players suddenly become league 2 players overnight look at Distin at Everton just for one example. Its easy to say deficient compared to the rest who are above us but take Derby & Burnley can you honestly say they have better players/squads than us man for man?? The stats don't lie re midfielders not scoring enough goals this season eg Lopez finished with 9 last season and Buckley with 8 , not impossible for them to match these figures but unlikely, Imcant argue we don't score enough goals this imo is the reason we arnt in the top 3 but as you know, we have no CMS no Hoskins, Barnes has gone and Ulloa has missed months so what can we expect ( I want inc Obika im not sure why he is at the club). This said, we are in touching distant of the play offs and there are 15 games left, 5 against promotion chasing rivals which you know as well as I do could go either way so I'm "getting with it", the difference is your view is half empty and mine is half full. All it takes is a run of wins and you are suddenly back in the mix. Oscar Garcia is a coach as we all know and he has very little or no influence in bringing players in whatsoever. Lastly, have a look at Cardiffs results when they won the league last season, 2-1 / 1-0's al over the place, it can be done. http://www.cardiffci ty-mad.co.uk/results _fixtures/2012_2013/ cardiff_city/index.s html laters[/p][/quote]There is no reason we can't win most of those games, our defence is the reason we are in the mix... As you say goals are not coming from anyone other than leo.. I don't accept cms was ever going to play anything other than a bit part this season... Hoskins was meant to not play till next season, our problem was selling Barnes ... That decision was not a surprise to those in suits... Barnes turned down a contract in the summer and that was that! For £750k Burnley have a team player who can score goals, something we are now desperate for, how we sign a loan player who wants to sit on the bench I don't know.... Lack of goals is costing us, was £750k worth missing out on a top 6? Yes it's a lot of money, but can we replace him for less money ?[/p][/quote]Agree with all of this however what do with Barnes? Offer him a long contract and then expect him to fly in the premier league? He would be surplus should we go up (god forbid this season!!) infact this is the problem with a lot of our players coming to the end of their contracts because in reality IF we go up we will release a lot of them eg Orlandi who falls into that bracket. The truth is we didn't replace Barnes for THIS season, Lita sulked for most of his time with us and Obika simply is no way near good enough. We could go into lists of players who could "do a job" but the timing of these contracts coming to their natural ends has not done us any favours. Lets not forget who shirked the reasonability of sorting these out at the start of this season![/p][/quote]We played for about two months with one striker when Barnes and ulloa were out, yes it's tricky because cms and Hoskins will return, but I am not sure where either would play if fit? Cms instead of dave2 maybe? Would that work? We have sold players without a plan.. Or so it seems .. Lose Leo to a injury and it becomes a farce.[/p][/quote]Hoskins is an unknown quantity and we know what we will get with CMS under GP but not OG, Agreed Leo is absolutely key to us having any chance he seems to be back on it as well which is good.[/p][/quote]When we signed Leo, we had Barnes , CMS , and Hoskins all fit, We now have Leo fit, and obika ...two weeks for the loan window and then it's down to hope and prayer ..what is frustrating is this division is weaker than last year, and with parachute payments promotion will only get harder.. mark by the sea

7:18pm Sun 23 Feb 14

JeffLomer says...

Albion fan in London wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season.
I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel.
With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte.
till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity.
Out of interest did you expect to see a new manager come in after all that's happened to just go and win the league? How are we lacking in all departments compared to who ??? Plus you know we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league yet Greer and Upson who are 50% of it need to be replaced. How are we cautious compared to what last season?? Promotion is NOT beyond us we are near the play off zone with all to play for. "till its not all doom and gloom"??!!

BT look were we were 5 seasons ago and look at who we were signing 5 years ago, maybe you miss the Withdean and prefer seeing lump it football. Get with the picture!!

UTA!!!
Couldn't agree more with Albion fan in London, there is still 48 points to play for until end off season, I would love to know how many people who write on here, which 95%" is usually total rubbish actually go to away games, is tomorrow night at Hull. I will guess maybe ten people on here!!!
[quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season. I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel. With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte. till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity.[/p][/quote]Out of interest did you expect to see a new manager come in after all that's happened to just go and win the league? How are we lacking in all departments compared to who ??? Plus you know we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league yet Greer and Upson who are 50% of it need to be replaced. How are we cautious compared to what last season?? Promotion is NOT beyond us we are near the play off zone with all to play for. "till its not all doom and gloom"??!! BT look were we were 5 seasons ago and look at who we were signing 5 years ago, maybe you miss the Withdean and prefer seeing lump it football. Get with the picture!! UTA!!![/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more with Albion fan in London, there is still 48 points to play for until end off season, I would love to know how many people who write on here, which 95%" is usually total rubbish actually go to away games, is tomorrow night at Hull. I will guess maybe ten people on here!!! JeffLomer

7:22pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Albion fan in London says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Albion fan in London says...


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season.
I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel.
With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte.
till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity.
Out of interest did you expect to see a new manager come in after all that's happened to just go and win the league? How are we lacking in all departments compared to who ??? Plus you know we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league yet Greer and Upson who are 50% of it need to be replaced. How are we cautious compared to what last season?? Promotion is NOT beyond us we are near the play off zone with all to play for. "till its not all doom and gloom"??!!

BT look were we were 5 seasons ago and look at who we were signing 5 years ago, maybe you miss the Withdean and prefer seeing lump it football. Get with the picture!!

UTA!!!

No I didn't expect us to win the league - I actually think OG has done as well as anyone could reasonably have expected. this was always going to be a transitional season - mainly because of the shambolic way that Poyet departed from the club. The defence will need to be rebuilt in the summer because Greer and Upson are at the end of their careers - I think Dunk should be in the team instead of Greer now. And I've lost count of the time that Calderon and Bruno have been done for speed by decent wingers.
You ask - 'we are deficient compared to who? Um - the seven clubs above us quite possibly. We are cautious in the sense that if you play with one up front you need midfielders who can chip in with goals. This is manifestly not happening - though I appreciate the injury to Crofts certainly hasn't helped.
I don't miss Withdean at all - though I'll always miss the Goldstone. Neither do I miss 'hoofball', but until we score more goals and can manage more than 1 - 0 wins we won't be credible promotion candidates. You doubt this? Look at the table and see that the teams around us have scored loads more goals than us. You have to go to near the bottom of the table to find teams who have scored less than us. You have to 'GET WITH IT' and see that we're just not good enough this season. Next season may well be a different story when OG has got the players that he wants, rather than the ones he was bequeathed. They weren't good enough last season and they're not good enough now.
I don't know you can suggest replacing a defence boasting the 3rd best record in the league especially regarding Upson who has arguably been our best player to date. Age does not always mean players suddenly become league 2 players overnight look at Distin at Everton just for one example. Its easy to say deficient compared to the rest who are above us but take Derby & Burnley can you honestly say they have better players/squads than us man for man?? The stats don't lie re midfielders not scoring enough goals this season eg Lopez finished with 9 last season and Buckley with 8 , not impossible for them to match these figures but unlikely, Imcant argue we don't score enough goals this imo is the reason we arnt in the top 3 but as you know, we have no CMS no Hoskins, Barnes has gone and Ulloa has missed months so what can we expect ( I want inc Obika im not sure why he is at the club). This said, we are in touching distant of the play offs and there are 15 games left, 5 against promotion chasing rivals which you know as well as I do could go either way so I'm "getting with it", the difference is your view is half empty and mine is half full. All it takes is a run of wins and you are suddenly back in the mix. Oscar Garcia is a coach as we all know and he has very little or no influence in bringing players in whatsoever.

Lastly, have a look at Cardiffs results when they won the league last season, 2-1 / 1-0's al over the place, it can be done.

http://www.cardiffci






ty-mad.co.uk/results






_fixtures/2012_2013/






cardiff_city/index.s






html

laters
There is no reason we can't win most of those games, our defence is the reason we are in the mix... As you say goals are not coming from anyone other than leo.. I don't accept cms was ever going to play anything other than a bit part this season... Hoskins was meant to not play till next season, our problem was selling Barnes ... That decision was not a surprise to those in suits... Barnes turned down a contract in the summer and that was that!
For £750k Burnley have a team player who can score goals, something we are now desperate for, how we sign a loan player who wants to sit on the bench I don't know.... Lack of goals is costing us, was £750k worth missing out on a top 6? Yes it's a lot of money, but can we replace him for less money ?
Agree with all of this however what do with Barnes? Offer him a long contract and then expect him to fly in the premier league? He would be surplus should we go up (god forbid this season!!) infact this is the problem with a lot of our players coming to the end of their contracts because in reality IF we go up we will release a lot of them eg Orlandi who falls into that bracket.
The truth is we didn't replace Barnes for THIS season, Lita sulked for most of his time with us and Obika simply is no way near good enough. We could go into lists of players who could "do a job" but the timing of these contracts coming to their natural ends has not done us any favours. Lets not forget who shirked the reasonability of sorting these out at the start of this season!
We played for about two months with one striker when Barnes and ulloa were out, yes it's tricky because cms and Hoskins will return, but I am not sure where either would play if fit? Cms instead of dave2 maybe? Would that work? We have sold players without a plan.. Or so it seems .. Lose Leo to a injury and it becomes a farce.
Hoskins is an unknown quantity and we know what we will get with CMS under GP but not OG, Agreed Leo is absolutely key to us having any chance he seems to be back on it as well which is good.
When we signed Leo, we had Barnes , CMS , and Hoskins all fit,
We now have Leo fit, and obika ...two weeks for the loan window and then it's down to hope and prayer ..what is frustrating is this division is weaker than last year, and with parachute payments promotion will only get harder..
Its difficult getting the quality in we need especially upfront. Who wants to play second fiddle to a champ team and take the drop down from the prem league for eg. I think had Lita have come with the right attitude and been played more often he would have contributed a lot more than he did, he is cert good enough to bag 15-20 goals in the champ given a run of games, unfor this is one of many ifs buts and maybe's this season.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Albion fan in London says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season. I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel. With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte. till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity. Out of interest did you expect to see a new manager come in after all that's happened to just go and win the league? How are we lacking in all departments compared to who ??? Plus you know we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league yet Greer and Upson who are 50% of it need to be replaced. How are we cautious compared to what last season?? Promotion is NOT beyond us we are near the play off zone with all to play for. "till its not all doom and gloom"??!! BT look were we were 5 seasons ago and look at who we were signing 5 years ago, maybe you miss the Withdean and prefer seeing lump it football. Get with the picture!! UTA!!! No I didn't expect us to win the league - I actually think OG has done as well as anyone could reasonably have expected. this was always going to be a transitional season - mainly because of the shambolic way that Poyet departed from the club. The defence will need to be rebuilt in the summer because Greer and Upson are at the end of their careers - I think Dunk should be in the team instead of Greer now. And I've lost count of the time that Calderon and Bruno have been done for speed by decent wingers. You ask - 'we are deficient compared to who? Um - the seven clubs above us quite possibly. We are cautious in the sense that if you play with one up front you need midfielders who can chip in with goals. This is manifestly not happening - though I appreciate the injury to Crofts certainly hasn't helped. I don't miss Withdean at all - though I'll always miss the Goldstone. Neither do I miss 'hoofball', but until we score more goals and can manage more than 1 - 0 wins we won't be credible promotion candidates. You doubt this? Look at the table and see that the teams around us have scored loads more goals than us. You have to go to near the bottom of the table to find teams who have scored less than us. You have to 'GET WITH IT' and see that we're just not good enough this season. Next season may well be a different story when OG has got the players that he wants, rather than the ones he was bequeathed. They weren't good enough last season and they're not good enough now.[/p][/quote]I don't know you can suggest replacing a defence boasting the 3rd best record in the league especially regarding Upson who has arguably been our best player to date. Age does not always mean players suddenly become league 2 players overnight look at Distin at Everton just for one example. Its easy to say deficient compared to the rest who are above us but take Derby & Burnley can you honestly say they have better players/squads than us man for man?? The stats don't lie re midfielders not scoring enough goals this season eg Lopez finished with 9 last season and Buckley with 8 , not impossible for them to match these figures but unlikely, Imcant argue we don't score enough goals this imo is the reason we arnt in the top 3 but as you know, we have no CMS no Hoskins, Barnes has gone and Ulloa has missed months so what can we expect ( I want inc Obika im not sure why he is at the club). This said, we are in touching distant of the play offs and there are 15 games left, 5 against promotion chasing rivals which you know as well as I do could go either way so I'm "getting with it", the difference is your view is half empty and mine is half full. All it takes is a run of wins and you are suddenly back in the mix. Oscar Garcia is a coach as we all know and he has very little or no influence in bringing players in whatsoever. Lastly, have a look at Cardiffs results when they won the league last season, 2-1 / 1-0's al over the place, it can be done. http://www.cardiffci ty-mad.co.uk/results _fixtures/2012_2013/ cardiff_city/index.s html laters[/p][/quote]There is no reason we can't win most of those games, our defence is the reason we are in the mix... As you say goals are not coming from anyone other than leo.. I don't accept cms was ever going to play anything other than a bit part this season... Hoskins was meant to not play till next season, our problem was selling Barnes ... That decision was not a surprise to those in suits... Barnes turned down a contract in the summer and that was that! For £750k Burnley have a team player who can score goals, something we are now desperate for, how we sign a loan player who wants to sit on the bench I don't know.... Lack of goals is costing us, was £750k worth missing out on a top 6? Yes it's a lot of money, but can we replace him for less money ?[/p][/quote]Agree with all of this however what do with Barnes? Offer him a long contract and then expect him to fly in the premier league? He would be surplus should we go up (god forbid this season!!) infact this is the problem with a lot of our players coming to the end of their contracts because in reality IF we go up we will release a lot of them eg Orlandi who falls into that bracket. The truth is we didn't replace Barnes for THIS season, Lita sulked for most of his time with us and Obika simply is no way near good enough. We could go into lists of players who could "do a job" but the timing of these contracts coming to their natural ends has not done us any favours. Lets not forget who shirked the reasonability of sorting these out at the start of this season![/p][/quote]We played for about two months with one striker when Barnes and ulloa were out, yes it's tricky because cms and Hoskins will return, but I am not sure where either would play if fit? Cms instead of dave2 maybe? Would that work? We have sold players without a plan.. Or so it seems .. Lose Leo to a injury and it becomes a farce.[/p][/quote]Hoskins is an unknown quantity and we know what we will get with CMS under GP but not OG, Agreed Leo is absolutely key to us having any chance he seems to be back on it as well which is good.[/p][/quote]When we signed Leo, we had Barnes , CMS , and Hoskins all fit, We now have Leo fit, and obika ...two weeks for the loan window and then it's down to hope and prayer ..what is frustrating is this division is weaker than last year, and with parachute payments promotion will only get harder..[/p][/quote]Its difficult getting the quality in we need especially upfront. Who wants to play second fiddle to a champ team and take the drop down from the prem league for eg. I think had Lita have come with the right attitude and been played more often he would have contributed a lot more than he did, he is cert good enough to bag 15-20 goals in the champ given a run of games, unfor this is one of many ifs buts and maybe's this season. Albion fan in London

7:26pm Sun 23 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion fan in London wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Albion fan in London says...


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season.
I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel.
With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte.
till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity.
Out of interest did you expect to see a new manager come in after all that's happened to just go and win the league? How are we lacking in all departments compared to who ??? Plus you know we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league yet Greer and Upson who are 50% of it need to be replaced. How are we cautious compared to what last season?? Promotion is NOT beyond us we are near the play off zone with all to play for. "till its not all doom and gloom"??!!

BT look were we were 5 seasons ago and look at who we were signing 5 years ago, maybe you miss the Withdean and prefer seeing lump it football. Get with the picture!!

UTA!!!

No I didn't expect us to win the league - I actually think OG has done as well as anyone could reasonably have expected. this was always going to be a transitional season - mainly because of the shambolic way that Poyet departed from the club. The defence will need to be rebuilt in the summer because Greer and Upson are at the end of their careers - I think Dunk should be in the team instead of Greer now. And I've lost count of the time that Calderon and Bruno have been done for speed by decent wingers.
You ask - 'we are deficient compared to who? Um - the seven clubs above us quite possibly. We are cautious in the sense that if you play with one up front you need midfielders who can chip in with goals. This is manifestly not happening - though I appreciate the injury to Crofts certainly hasn't helped.
I don't miss Withdean at all - though I'll always miss the Goldstone. Neither do I miss 'hoofball', but until we score more goals and can manage more than 1 - 0 wins we won't be credible promotion candidates. You doubt this? Look at the table and see that the teams around us have scored loads more goals than us. You have to go to near the bottom of the table to find teams who have scored less than us. You have to 'GET WITH IT' and see that we're just not good enough this season. Next season may well be a different story when OG has got the players that he wants, rather than the ones he was bequeathed. They weren't good enough last season and they're not good enough now.
I don't know you can suggest replacing a defence boasting the 3rd best record in the league especially regarding Upson who has arguably been our best player to date. Age does not always mean players suddenly become league 2 players overnight look at Distin at Everton just for one example. Its easy to say deficient compared to the rest who are above us but take Derby & Burnley can you honestly say they have better players/squads than us man for man?? The stats don't lie re midfielders not scoring enough goals this season eg Lopez finished with 9 last season and Buckley with 8 , not impossible for them to match these figures but unlikely, Imcant argue we don't score enough goals this imo is the reason we arnt in the top 3 but as you know, we have no CMS no Hoskins, Barnes has gone and Ulloa has missed months so what can we expect ( I want inc Obika im not sure why he is at the club). This said, we are in touching distant of the play offs and there are 15 games left, 5 against promotion chasing rivals which you know as well as I do could go either way so I'm "getting with it", the difference is your view is half empty and mine is half full. All it takes is a run of wins and you are suddenly back in the mix. Oscar Garcia is a coach as we all know and he has very little or no influence in bringing players in whatsoever.

Lastly, have a look at Cardiffs results when they won the league last season, 2-1 / 1-0's al over the place, it can be done.

http://www.cardiffci







ty-mad.co.uk/results







_fixtures/2012_2013/







cardiff_city/index.s







html

laters
There is no reason we can't win most of those games, our defence is the reason we are in the mix... As you say goals are not coming from anyone other than leo.. I don't accept cms was ever going to play anything other than a bit part this season... Hoskins was meant to not play till next season, our problem was selling Barnes ... That decision was not a surprise to those in suits... Barnes turned down a contract in the summer and that was that!
For £750k Burnley have a team player who can score goals, something we are now desperate for, how we sign a loan player who wants to sit on the bench I don't know.... Lack of goals is costing us, was £750k worth missing out on a top 6? Yes it's a lot of money, but can we replace him for less money ?
Agree with all of this however what do with Barnes? Offer him a long contract and then expect him to fly in the premier league? He would be surplus should we go up (god forbid this season!!) infact this is the problem with a lot of our players coming to the end of their contracts because in reality IF we go up we will release a lot of them eg Orlandi who falls into that bracket.
The truth is we didn't replace Barnes for THIS season, Lita sulked for most of his time with us and Obika simply is no way near good enough. We could go into lists of players who could "do a job" but the timing of these contracts coming to their natural ends has not done us any favours. Lets not forget who shirked the reasonability of sorting these out at the start of this season!
We played for about two months with one striker when Barnes and ulloa were out, yes it's tricky because cms and Hoskins will return, but I am not sure where either would play if fit? Cms instead of dave2 maybe? Would that work? We have sold players without a plan.. Or so it seems .. Lose Leo to a injury and it becomes a farce.
Hoskins is an unknown quantity and we know what we will get with CMS under GP but not OG, Agreed Leo is absolutely key to us having any chance he seems to be back on it as well which is good.
When we signed Leo, we had Barnes , CMS , and Hoskins all fit,
We now have Leo fit, and obika ...two weeks for the loan window and then it's down to hope and prayer ..what is frustrating is this division is weaker than last year, and with parachute payments promotion will only get harder..
Its difficult getting the quality in we need especially upfront. Who wants to play second fiddle to a champ team and take the drop down from the prem league for eg. I think had Lita have come with the right attitude and been played more often he would have contributed a lot more than he did, he is cert good enough to bag 15-20 goals in the champ given a run of games, unfor this is one of many ifs buts and maybe's this season.
Agreed the failure with the two from Bournemouth and MK Dons maybe under lines we won't pay over the odds.. Where we end up with that this summer with TK Upson and Orlandi I am not certain, does anyone know where kemy went too? He lost all that weight ... Perhaps KFC got the better of him !
[quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Albion fan in London says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: To be honest I don't think albion have put up a credible promotion push this season. We've only been in the top six once - and that was for one week. The team is really lacking in all departments. I know we have the third best defensive record in our league but Bruno, Greer and Upson are all coming to the end of their careers and should be replaced at the end of the season. I have no idea what Agustein is doing at the club - he has shown precisely nothing and is nothing but a waste of money. Other contributors have correctly noted the lack of goals coming from midfield. Partly this stems from OG's very cautious approach and partly a lack of quality I feel. With promotion really beyond us I'd like to see Oscar bringing in some of the DS players for a game. After all that's where the future lies and developing young players is really Oscar's forte. till it's not all doom and gloom. I see 'Never Wrong Dave' has reincarnated himself as 'Blame Dunk' - so all of us 'sad, brain dead mugs' can stand by for some hilarity. Out of interest did you expect to see a new manager come in after all that's happened to just go and win the league? How are we lacking in all departments compared to who ??? Plus you know we have the 3rd best defensive record in the league yet Greer and Upson who are 50% of it need to be replaced. How are we cautious compared to what last season?? Promotion is NOT beyond us we are near the play off zone with all to play for. "till its not all doom and gloom"??!! BT look were we were 5 seasons ago and look at who we were signing 5 years ago, maybe you miss the Withdean and prefer seeing lump it football. Get with the picture!! UTA!!! No I didn't expect us to win the league - I actually think OG has done as well as anyone could reasonably have expected. this was always going to be a transitional season - mainly because of the shambolic way that Poyet departed from the club. The defence will need to be rebuilt in the summer because Greer and Upson are at the end of their careers - I think Dunk should be in the team instead of Greer now. And I've lost count of the time that Calderon and Bruno have been done for speed by decent wingers. You ask - 'we are deficient compared to who? Um - the seven clubs above us quite possibly. We are cautious in the sense that if you play with one up front you need midfielders who can chip in with goals. This is manifestly not happening - though I appreciate the injury to Crofts certainly hasn't helped. I don't miss Withdean at all - though I'll always miss the Goldstone. Neither do I miss 'hoofball', but until we score more goals and can manage more than 1 - 0 wins we won't be credible promotion candidates. You doubt this? Look at the table and see that the teams around us have scored loads more goals than us. You have to go to near the bottom of the table to find teams who have scored less than us. You have to 'GET WITH IT' and see that we're just not good enough this season. Next season may well be a different story when OG has got the players that he wants, rather than the ones he was bequeathed. They weren't good enough last season and they're not good enough now.[/p][/quote]I don't know you can suggest replacing a defence boasting the 3rd best record in the league especially regarding Upson who has arguably been our best player to date. Age does not always mean players suddenly become league 2 players overnight look at Distin at Everton just for one example. Its easy to say deficient compared to the rest who are above us but take Derby & Burnley can you honestly say they have better players/squads than us man for man?? The stats don't lie re midfielders not scoring enough goals this season eg Lopez finished with 9 last season and Buckley with 8 , not impossible for them to match these figures but unlikely, Imcant argue we don't score enough goals this imo is the reason we arnt in the top 3 but as you know, we have no CMS no Hoskins, Barnes has gone and Ulloa has missed months so what can we expect ( I want inc Obika im not sure why he is at the club). This said, we are in touching distant of the play offs and there are 15 games left, 5 against promotion chasing rivals which you know as well as I do could go either way so I'm "getting with it", the difference is your view is half empty and mine is half full. All it takes is a run of wins and you are suddenly back in the mix. Oscar Garcia is a coach as we all know and he has very little or no influence in bringing players in whatsoever. Lastly, have a look at Cardiffs results when they won the league last season, 2-1 / 1-0's al over the place, it can be done. http://www.cardiffci ty-mad.co.uk/results _fixtures/2012_2013/ cardiff_city/index.s html laters[/p][/quote]There is no reason we can't win most of those games, our defence is the reason we are in the mix... As you say goals are not coming from anyone other than leo.. I don't accept cms was ever going to play anything other than a bit part this season... Hoskins was meant to not play till next season, our problem was selling Barnes ... That decision was not a surprise to those in suits... Barnes turned down a contract in the summer and that was that! For £750k Burnley have a team player who can score goals, something we are now desperate for, how we sign a loan player who wants to sit on the bench I don't know.... Lack of goals is costing us, was £750k worth missing out on a top 6? Yes it's a lot of money, but can we replace him for less money ?[/p][/quote]Agree with all of this however what do with Barnes? Offer him a long contract and then expect him to fly in the premier league? He would be surplus should we go up (god forbid this season!!) infact this is the problem with a lot of our players coming to the end of their contracts because in reality IF we go up we will release a lot of them eg Orlandi who falls into that bracket. The truth is we didn't replace Barnes for THIS season, Lita sulked for most of his time with us and Obika simply is no way near good enough. We could go into lists of players who could "do a job" but the timing of these contracts coming to their natural ends has not done us any favours. Lets not forget who shirked the reasonability of sorting these out at the start of this season![/p][/quote]We played for about two months with one striker when Barnes and ulloa were out, yes it's tricky because cms and Hoskins will return, but I am not sure where either would play if fit? Cms instead of dave2 maybe? Would that work? We have sold players without a plan.. Or so it seems .. Lose Leo to a injury and it becomes a farce.[/p][/quote]Hoskins is an unknown quantity and we know what we will get with CMS under GP but not OG, Agreed Leo is absolutely key to us having any chance he seems to be back on it as well which is good.[/p][/quote]When we signed Leo, we had Barnes , CMS , and Hoskins all fit, We now have Leo fit, and obika ...two weeks for the loan window and then it's down to hope and prayer ..what is frustrating is this division is weaker than last year, and with parachute payments promotion will only get harder..[/p][/quote]Its difficult getting the quality in we need especially upfront. Who wants to play second fiddle to a champ team and take the drop down from the prem league for eg. I think had Lita have come with the right attitude and been played more often he would have contributed a lot more than he did, he is cert good enough to bag 15-20 goals in the champ given a run of games, unfor this is one of many ifs buts and maybe's this season.[/p][/quote]Agreed the failure with the two from Bournemouth and MK Dons maybe under lines we won't pay over the odds.. Where we end up with that this summer with TK Upson and Orlandi I am not certain, does anyone know where kemy went too? He lost all that weight ... Perhaps KFC got the better of him ! mark by the sea

7:54pm Sun 23 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

Gordon Gull, we lost about 8 to 9 million in each of our first two years at the Amex, we were told that, so I am assuming that the projected 14 million loss is based on this years business.
Because we are obliged to cut the losses it makes sense to cut them now whilst we have the money to do so from our Cup run and the profits from sales against purchases. Barber has said that we will get the 14 down to required 8, the only way he can KNOW that is if the decision has already been made to use those profits against debt.
If you add up what we, 'think,' we made from player sales and add that to what we know we have made from the cup run, it comes to about 6 million, the very number that Barber said we would cut by. I guess I am just apply wat I see as logic, and of course I could be totally wrong. What other option do we have.
Gordon Gull, we lost about 8 to 9 million in each of our first two years at the Amex, we were told that, so I am assuming that the projected 14 million loss is based on this years business. Because we are obliged to cut the losses it makes sense to cut them now whilst we have the money to do so from our Cup run and the profits from sales against purchases. Barber has said that we will get the 14 down to required 8, the only way he can KNOW that is if the decision has already been made to use those profits against debt. If you add up what we, 'think,' we made from player sales and add that to what we know we have made from the cup run, it comes to about 6 million, the very number that Barber said we would cut by. I guess I am just apply wat I see as logic, and of course I could be totally wrong. What other option do we have. VegasSeagull

8:01pm Sun 23 Feb 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Gordon Gull, we lost about 8 to 9 million in each of our first two years at the Amex, we were told that, so I am assuming that the projected 14 million loss is based on this years business.
Because we are obliged to cut the losses it makes sense to cut them now whilst we have the money to do so from our Cup run and the profits from sales against purchases. Barber has said that we will get the 14 down to required 8, the only way he can KNOW that is if the decision has already been made to use those profits against debt.
If you add up what we, 'think,' we made from player sales and add that to what we know we have made from the cup run, it comes to about 6 million, the very number that Barber said we would cut by. I guess I am just apply wat I see as logic, and of course I could be totally wrong. What other option do we have.
Thanks Vegas.
That looks fairly convincing.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Gordon Gull, we lost about 8 to 9 million in each of our first two years at the Amex, we were told that, so I am assuming that the projected 14 million loss is based on this years business. Because we are obliged to cut the losses it makes sense to cut them now whilst we have the money to do so from our Cup run and the profits from sales against purchases. Barber has said that we will get the 14 down to required 8, the only way he can KNOW that is if the decision has already been made to use those profits against debt. If you add up what we, 'think,' we made from player sales and add that to what we know we have made from the cup run, it comes to about 6 million, the very number that Barber said we would cut by. I guess I am just apply wat I see as logic, and of course I could be totally wrong. What other option do we have.[/p][/quote]Thanks Vegas. That looks fairly convincing. gordongull

8:58pm Sun 23 Feb 14

brightonup says...

What channel is tomorrow night's match on?
What channel is tomorrow night's match on? brightonup

9:14pm Sun 23 Feb 14

wiseman of hove says...

brightonup wrote:
What channel is tomorrow night's match on?
ITV 4
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: What channel is tomorrow night's match on?[/p][/quote]ITV 4 wiseman of hove

11:04pm Sun 23 Feb 14

albionbloke says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Interesting to see yesterday's results for QPR and Forest. 'arry has spent untold millions on his side - but the play offs now seem the best that QR can hope for. Ditto Forest. Possible food for thought for those who continually call for TB to dig deeper into his pockets and finance new signings.
Of course those who call for more money to be spent usuallly rehash Poyet's 'ceiling' quotation. Interesting to note that Poyet has been at Sunderland now for four months. They took a spanking yesterday and remain in the bottom three.
.....and long may he stay there. At least until the trapdoor opens and he drops back into Championship. Will be interesting to see his response to that and watch him throw his toys out of the pram. Not sure if his almighty ego can handle that one.
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Interesting to see yesterday's results for QPR and Forest. 'arry has spent untold millions on his side - but the play offs now seem the best that QR can hope for. Ditto Forest. Possible food for thought for those who continually call for TB to dig deeper into his pockets and finance new signings. Of course those who call for more money to be spent usuallly rehash Poyet's 'ceiling' quotation. Interesting to note that Poyet has been at Sunderland now for four months. They took a spanking yesterday and remain in the bottom three.[/p][/quote].....and long may he stay there. At least until the trapdoor opens and he drops back into Championship. Will be interesting to see his response to that and watch him throw his toys out of the pram. Not sure if his almighty ego can handle that one. albionbloke

1:12am Mon 24 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

SecondReserve wrote:
Obviously the right thing for Bruno to say but sadly not realistic. In truth the top 5 places are sorted and so there is only one place to fight for. We had most of the play and lots of (mostly very inaccurate) shots yesterday but we can't score goals. We only have one goalscorer and he is hardly a clinical finisher and misses too many good chances. The fact is that Wigan demonstrated yesterday that are far better equipped for the playoffs than us.
Yes a goal a game isn't very clinical.
[quote][p][bold]SecondReserve[/bold] wrote: Obviously the right thing for Bruno to say but sadly not realistic. In truth the top 5 places are sorted and so there is only one place to fight for. We had most of the play and lots of (mostly very inaccurate) shots yesterday but we can't score goals. We only have one goalscorer and he is hardly a clinical finisher and misses too many good chances. The fact is that Wigan demonstrated yesterday that are far better equipped for the playoffs than us.[/p][/quote]Yes a goal a game isn't very clinical. Captain Haddock

1:18am Mon 24 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

Neville wrote:
Good comments from Bruno,perhaps he could let OG know as he does not bother to look at league positions.
Agree with a lot of the comments and the fact that a striker has never been sorted and does not look likely to happen is a big error of judgment or foresight.
Augustien,Lita,and Obika seem to have been money wasted,I see Conway scored yesterday,by far the best crosser of the ball this season.
People seem to think we will be challenging next season,a total rebuild is required in the summer regardless and next season even more difficult I fear.
I suspect WB will go in the summer and enhance the finances,just hope Ulloa stays and TK and MU remain.
Next four games will define the whole season.
I thought the Albion played really well yesterday apart from the final third and it is so frustrating to hold most of the possession in our own half despite losing at 2-0, ok if we are winning but so so frustrating to watch players in attacking positions pass the ball back to their own goal.
I don't think we DID hold most of the possession in our own half, though, and when we did play it back it was a necessary and largely successful retention of possession when we were being well pressed by an organised Wigan side.

We had plenty of good possession in the opposition's half. That wasn't the problem although we still concede possession a bit too much for my liking (high standards!!!).
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Good comments from Bruno,perhaps he could let OG know as he does not bother to look at league positions. Agree with a lot of the comments and the fact that a striker has never been sorted and does not look likely to happen is a big error of judgment or foresight. Augustien,Lita,and Obika seem to have been money wasted,I see Conway scored yesterday,by far the best crosser of the ball this season. People seem to think we will be challenging next season,a total rebuild is required in the summer regardless and next season even more difficult I fear. I suspect WB will go in the summer and enhance the finances,just hope Ulloa stays and TK and MU remain. Next four games will define the whole season. I thought the Albion played really well yesterday apart from the final third and it is so frustrating to hold most of the possession in our own half despite losing at 2-0, ok if we are winning but so so frustrating to watch players in attacking positions pass the ball back to their own goal.[/p][/quote]I don't think we DID hold most of the possession in our own half, though, and when we did play it back it was a necessary and largely successful retention of possession when we were being well pressed by an organised Wigan side. We had plenty of good possession in the opposition's half. That wasn't the problem although we still concede possession a bit too much for my liking (high standards!!!). Captain Haddock

8:50am Mon 24 Feb 14

brightonup says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
brightonup wrote:
What channel is tomorrow night's match on?
ITV 4
Cheers
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: What channel is tomorrow night's match on?[/p][/quote]ITV 4[/p][/quote]Cheers brightonup

8:59am Tue 25 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

Chi Gull wrote:
Quite a good mix of positive and not so positive posts today about the strength of our squad and play off chances. From my perspective, I would say we have been playing some of our best football of the season in the last month or so, without always getting the results. Last season we were getting a lot of goals from midfield and the wide players. This season we have suffered from injuries and disruption, particularly with those players who scored a few goals last season - Buckley, Orlandi, Lua Lua in particular. It's easy to be wise in hindsight, but the club did try and get a replacement for Barnes - and it wasn't Obika as was made clear at the time. We couldn't get anyone to come on the wages and length of contract on offer. CMS looked close to being fit and so I am sure the club decided they could manage. I hope that a better/longer loan signing is being lined up, as we are now at risk if we lose Ulloa. As others have said, it isn't easy to get quality for the short term. It is either going to be a Championship striker surplus to requirements (like Tudgay) - or a young striker from the PL looking for game experience (better than Obika). Every club signs a player or two that doesn't fit in. Clearly Agustien doesn't fit in to OG's plans and he didn't like Lita, for whatever reason. We don't see what goes on behind the scenes so we have to trust OGs judgement, and so far he seems to be getting more things right than wrong

Someone in the top 6 will have a wobble, like Palace and Leicester last year. Anyone in our position can make the play offs with a good run of results. Apart of scoring goals - we have a strong squad, and converting chances is partly a confidence thing that can change very quickly. I am staying positive for the time being.
An excellent post again, Chi.
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: Quite a good mix of positive and not so positive posts today about the strength of our squad and play off chances. From my perspective, I would say we have been playing some of our best football of the season in the last month or so, without always getting the results. Last season we were getting a lot of goals from midfield and the wide players. This season we have suffered from injuries and disruption, particularly with those players who scored a few goals last season - Buckley, Orlandi, Lua Lua in particular. It's easy to be wise in hindsight, but the club did try and get a replacement for Barnes - and it wasn't Obika as was made clear at the time. We couldn't get anyone to come on the wages and length of contract on offer. CMS looked close to being fit and so I am sure the club decided they could manage. I hope that a better/longer loan signing is being lined up, as we are now at risk if we lose Ulloa. As others have said, it isn't easy to get quality for the short term. It is either going to be a Championship striker surplus to requirements (like Tudgay) - or a young striker from the PL looking for game experience (better than Obika). Every club signs a player or two that doesn't fit in. Clearly Agustien doesn't fit in to OG's plans and he didn't like Lita, for whatever reason. We don't see what goes on behind the scenes so we have to trust OGs judgement, and so far he seems to be getting more things right than wrong Someone in the top 6 will have a wobble, like Palace and Leicester last year. Anyone in our position can make the play offs with a good run of results. Apart of scoring goals - we have a strong squad, and converting chances is partly a confidence thing that can change very quickly. I am staying positive for the time being.[/p][/quote]An excellent post again, Chi. Captain Haddock

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