Albion try to bring in back-up for Ulloa

Leo Ulloa scores against Wigan

Leo Ulloa scores against Wigan

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ALBION are trying to secure goalscoring back-up for Leo Ulloa.

The Argus understands the club will make a move this week to ease the burden on their Argentinian marksman.

Ulloa has scored the Seagulls’ last three goals in the Championship – including their reply in Saturday’s 2-1 home defeat by Wigan – and the last four in all competitions.

Head coach Oscar Garcia revealed afterwards he is not fully fit due to an ankle problem, raising doubts about his participation in tonight’s FA Cup fifth round replay at Hull.

Albion dominated against Wigan but Oscar was left lamenting again his team’s failure to be clinical in front of goal.

Midfielder Andrea Orlandi said: “We just need to relax. We are playing well, we are creating chances and then we don’t have to rely on Leo to score.

“We have to take more responsibility, the rest of the players, and start scoring more goals.

“For example, Dale (Stephens) had two really good chances. He was in two good positions. Some other players had chances.

“At least we had many chances and players in the right areas. Let’s see if we can add some goals from midfield or other areas and help Leo.”

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5:51am Mon 24 Feb 14

albionbloke says...

If Leo is 'iffy', let's not risk him, the league is more important. We can't afford to have him damage it more. Maybe time for Rodriguez to step up and show us what he's got. Good to see acknowledgement that we're going for a back-up. Let's hope it's someone meaningful who knows how to pop them in.
If Leo is 'iffy', let's not risk him, the league is more important. We can't afford to have him damage it more. Maybe time for Rodriguez to step up and show us what he's got. Good to see acknowledgement that we're going for a back-up. Let's hope it's someone meaningful who knows how to pop them in. albionbloke
  • Score: 5

6:21am Mon 24 Feb 14

arc12 says...

With OG's record in bringing in front players such as Lita and then Obika (neither who he seemed to have any faith in playing), I don't hold out much hope of a) being able to find anyone who will have an impact and b) OG using anyone else. Maybe we should go 4-6-0.
With OG's record in bringing in front players such as Lita and then Obika (neither who he seemed to have any faith in playing), I don't hold out much hope of a) being able to find anyone who will have an impact and b) OG using anyone else. Maybe we should go 4-6-0. arc12
  • Score: -13

7:42am Mon 24 Feb 14

college says...

Penny's finally dropped then
Penny's finally dropped then college
  • Score: -1

7:47am Mon 24 Feb 14

brighton bluenose says...

arc12 wrote:
With OG's record in bringing in front players such as Lita and then Obika (neither who he seemed to have any faith in playing), I don't hold out much hope of a) being able to find anyone who will have an impact and b) OG using anyone else. Maybe we should go 4-6-0.
It is Burke who finds these players and not OG and Burke is clearly not doing a very good job - though to be fair decent strikers will always be a) at a premium and b) in gainful employment elsewhere!
[quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: With OG's record in bringing in front players such as Lita and then Obika (neither who he seemed to have any faith in playing), I don't hold out much hope of a) being able to find anyone who will have an impact and b) OG using anyone else. Maybe we should go 4-6-0.[/p][/quote]It is Burke who finds these players and not OG and Burke is clearly not doing a very good job - though to be fair decent strikers will always be a) at a premium and b) in gainful employment elsewhere! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -5

7:56am Mon 24 Feb 14

kipper12 says...

if its burke who found lita and obika then he certainly lives up to his name !!!!
if its burke who found lita and obika then he certainly lives up to his name !!!! kipper12
  • Score: 4

8:02am Mon 24 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

college wrote:
Penny's finally dropped then
Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins ..
We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out,
If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.
[quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Penny's finally dropped then[/p][/quote]Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins .. We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out, If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon. mark by the sea
  • Score: -6

8:15am Mon 24 Feb 14

Grendel says...

mark by the sea wrote:
college wrote:
Penny's finally dropped then
Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins ..
We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out,
If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.
Decent strike rate? I make it one goal every six games.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Penny's finally dropped then[/p][/quote]Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins .. We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out, If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.[/p][/quote]Decent strike rate? I make it one goal every six games. Grendel
  • Score: 8

8:20am Mon 24 Feb 14

Conelli98 says...

Becchio or Zamora for me 93 on day loan!
Becchio or Zamora for me 93 on day loan! Conelli98
  • Score: 14

8:21am Mon 24 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Grendel wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
college wrote:
Penny's finally dropped then
Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins ..
We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out,
If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.
Decent strike rate? I make it one goal every six games.
Yes mostly in the premier league, and never gets a run of games, at this level he would score.
[quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Penny's finally dropped then[/p][/quote]Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins .. We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out, If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.[/p][/quote]Decent strike rate? I make it one goal every six games.[/p][/quote]Yes mostly in the premier league, and never gets a run of games, at this level he would score. mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

8:22am Mon 24 Feb 14

Conelli98 says...

QPR have more strikers than A Scargill picket line!
QPR have more strikers than A Scargill picket line! Conelli98
  • Score: 17

8:23am Mon 24 Feb 14

Conelli98 says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Becchio or Zamora for me 93 on day loan!
on A 93 day loan! its early sorry!
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Becchio or Zamora for me 93 on day loan![/p][/quote]on A 93 day loan! its early sorry! Conelli98
  • Score: -2

8:43am Mon 24 Feb 14

Steveg1958 says...

Let's hope Mr Burke and NJ have nothing to do with the selection then !
Let's hope Mr Burke and NJ have nothing to do with the selection then ! Steveg1958
  • Score: 3

8:51am Mon 24 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Grendel wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
college wrote:
Penny's finally dropped then
Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins ..
We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out,
If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.
Decent strike rate? I make it one goal every six games.
Yes mostly in the premier league, and never gets a run of games, at this level he would score.
A goal every six games in the Premier League will not translate into a goal every other game in the Championship.

Anyway, he's the wrong side of 30 for you.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Penny's finally dropped then[/p][/quote]Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins .. We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out, If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.[/p][/quote]Decent strike rate? I make it one goal every six games.[/p][/quote]Yes mostly in the premier league, and never gets a run of games, at this level he would score.[/p][/quote]A goal every six games in the Premier League will not translate into a goal every other game in the Championship. Anyway, he's the wrong side of 30 for you. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

9:08am Mon 24 Feb 14

SecondReserve says...

Well, it does seem that the message has indeed finally got through. Barnes sold (for a valid reason). CMS and Hoskins very unlikely to play much part this season. Obika and Rodriguez both very poor indeed. Pretty obvious to absolutely everybody that we need to bring in an actual striker i.e. a player who scores a few goals. Send Obika and Rodriguez back (and we don't need 3 expensive goalkeepers) and use the money to get in a real striker. Let's just make sure he is an actual striker this time rather than an impostor.
Well, it does seem that the message has indeed finally got through. Barnes sold (for a valid reason). CMS and Hoskins very unlikely to play much part this season. Obika and Rodriguez both very poor indeed. Pretty obvious to absolutely everybody that we need to bring in an actual striker i.e. a player who scores a few goals. Send Obika and Rodriguez back (and we don't need 3 expensive goalkeepers) and use the money to get in a real striker. Let's just make sure he is an actual striker this time rather than an impostor. SecondReserve
  • Score: -10

9:09am Mon 24 Feb 14

SecondReserve says...

Well, it does seem that the message has indeed finally got through. Barnes sold (for a valid reason). CMS and Hoskins very unlikely to play much part this season. Obika and Rodriguez both very poor indeed. Pretty obvious to absolutely everybody that we need to bring in an actual striker i.e. a player who will score a few goals. Send Obika and Rodriguez back (and we don't need 3 expensive goalkeepers) and use the money to get in a real striker. Let's just make sure he is an actual striker this time rather than an impostor.
Well, it does seem that the message has indeed finally got through. Barnes sold (for a valid reason). CMS and Hoskins very unlikely to play much part this season. Obika and Rodriguez both very poor indeed. Pretty obvious to absolutely everybody that we need to bring in an actual striker i.e. a player who will score a few goals. Send Obika and Rodriguez back (and we don't need 3 expensive goalkeepers) and use the money to get in a real striker. Let's just make sure he is an actual striker this time rather than an impostor. SecondReserve
  • Score: -9

9:11am Mon 24 Feb 14

Asleep in Dorset says...

Becchio
Becchio Asleep in Dorset
  • Score: 8

9:34am Mon 24 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Grendel wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
college wrote:
Penny's finally dropped then
Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins ..
We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out,
If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.
Decent strike rate? I make it one goal every six games.
Yes mostly in the premier league, and never gets a run of games, at this level he would score.
A goal every six games in the Premier League will not translate into a goal every other game in the Championship.

Anyway, he's the wrong side of 30 for you.
He is the wrong side of thirty, just like Phillips has been for 10 years, quality is the dominating factor ..
Looks like the club have finally acted over the shambles of having one fit striker on there books... Something I have been saying for weeks!
Dave 2 will need time to get to the pace of the game here, he can't play the Leo roll, he is not a back to goal striker, obika is a head less chicken who never looks up when he has the ball..
As for ameboi , a goal every 6 games would have him as the second highest goal scorer at the club! Would you rather have obika or ameboi ? This would be a 93 day loan as cms and Hoskins can't be expected to simply return in form... This is real life not football manager.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Penny's finally dropped then[/p][/quote]Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins .. We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out, If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.[/p][/quote]Decent strike rate? I make it one goal every six games.[/p][/quote]Yes mostly in the premier league, and never gets a run of games, at this level he would score.[/p][/quote]A goal every six games in the Premier League will not translate into a goal every other game in the Championship. Anyway, he's the wrong side of 30 for you.[/p][/quote]He is the wrong side of thirty, just like Phillips has been for 10 years, quality is the dominating factor .. Looks like the club have finally acted over the shambles of having one fit striker on there books... Something I have been saying for weeks! Dave 2 will need time to get to the pace of the game here, he can't play the Leo roll, he is not a back to goal striker, obika is a head less chicken who never looks up when he has the ball.. As for ameboi , a goal every 6 games would have him as the second highest goal scorer at the club! Would you rather have obika or ameboi ? This would be a 93 day loan as cms and Hoskins can't be expected to simply return in form... This is real life not football manager. mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

9:41am Mon 24 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

SecondReserve wrote:
Well, it does seem that the message has indeed finally got through. Barnes sold (for a valid reason). CMS and Hoskins very unlikely to play much part this season. Obika and Rodriguez both very poor indeed. Pretty obvious to absolutely everybody that we need to bring in an actual striker i.e. a player who will score a few goals. Send Obika and Rodriguez back (and we don't need 3 expensive goalkeepers) and use the money to get in a real striker. Let's just make sure he is an actual striker this time rather than an impostor.
Cheap options very rarely work, especially in front of goal .. " lethal" obika to start tonight!,,
[quote][p][bold]SecondReserve[/bold] wrote: Well, it does seem that the message has indeed finally got through. Barnes sold (for a valid reason). CMS and Hoskins very unlikely to play much part this season. Obika and Rodriguez both very poor indeed. Pretty obvious to absolutely everybody that we need to bring in an actual striker i.e. a player who will score a few goals. Send Obika and Rodriguez back (and we don't need 3 expensive goalkeepers) and use the money to get in a real striker. Let's just make sure he is an actual striker this time rather than an impostor.[/p][/quote]Cheap options very rarely work, especially in front of goal .. " lethal" obika to start tonight!,, mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

9:58am Mon 24 Feb 14

wiseman of hove says...

Well, Nathan was probably the driving force behind getting Obika. rather than Burke. I read into Oscar's comments that Obika will start. I wish him well.
Not surprised that our two, for me, star players - Orlandi and Buckley, would have niggles that would preclude them from appearing tonight! Fine by me - they will be ready to assist in demolishing Millwall on Saturday.
Well, Nathan was probably the driving force behind getting Obika. rather than Burke. I read into Oscar's comments that Obika will start. I wish him well. Not surprised that our two, for me, star players - Orlandi and Buckley, would have niggles that would preclude them from appearing tonight! Fine by me - they will be ready to assist in demolishing Millwall on Saturday. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 1

10:23am Mon 24 Feb 14

AlanDuffy says...

Of the top 10 clubs in the Championship on Saturday we had the most shots and most on target ( BBC stats, not always accurate, but a good guide ) - only Ipswich ( 10/1 ), Reading ( 8/1 ) and QPR ( 12/0 ) failed to score. Burnley were closest to Brighton ( 15/6 ) and scored 3 ( 2 for Vokes - what's happened to him? ) so we all agree that the problem is not creating chances, but finishing. The manager has been saying so for weeks - the problem will be finding someone who is available and can score the goals - we missed out on a couple during the window, but were probably hoping that CMS would be ready soon, but as he has suffered another set-back, we need back-up for Leo again. I'd start Obika tonight, let's see if he can perform if given a chance. The only time he's started for us, he scored.
Of the top 10 clubs in the Championship on Saturday we had the most shots and most on target ( BBC stats, not always accurate, but a good guide ) - only Ipswich ( 10/1 ), Reading ( 8/1 ) and QPR ( 12/0 ) failed to score. Burnley were closest to Brighton ( 15/6 ) and scored 3 ( 2 for Vokes - what's happened to him? ) so we all agree that the problem is not creating chances, but finishing. The manager has been saying so for weeks - the problem will be finding someone who is available and can score the goals - we missed out on a couple during the window, but were probably hoping that CMS would be ready soon, but as he has suffered another set-back, we need back-up for Leo again. I'd start Obika tonight, let's see if he can perform if given a chance. The only time he's started for us, he scored. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 7

10:25am Mon 24 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

It's not exactly a ringing endorsement of Obika, who The Argus said three weeks ago, we were keen to hang onto until the end of the season. His loan ends in April and I would now expect that we won't be seeking an extension? It's to be hoped we get the next one right!
(All of which means he's bound to start tonight as we 'rest' Ulloa and get's the winner!)
It's not exactly a ringing endorsement of Obika, who The Argus said three weeks ago, we were keen to hang onto until the end of the season. His loan ends in April and I would now expect that we won't be seeking an extension? It's to be hoped we get the next one right! (All of which means he's bound to start tonight as we 'rest' Ulloa and get's the winner!) Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

10:41am Mon 24 Feb 14

pjwilk says...

Dont let that Burke anywhere near picking new players he obviously has no clue as to what a real striker is,he is about as good as the other Blues Brother is at financial matters.Offloading them would save us a few bob.Let Oscar find a striker,then we can at least blame him,he cant hide in the suits offices.
Dont let that Burke anywhere near picking new players he obviously has no clue as to what a real striker is,he is about as good as the other Blues Brother is at financial matters.Offloading them would save us a few bob.Let Oscar find a striker,then we can at least blame him,he cant hide in the suits offices. pjwilk
  • Score: -3

11:00am Mon 24 Feb 14

farside says...

Really needed a loan signing in on Friday and ideally available for today.
Stable doors, horses and bolts and all that
Really needed a loan signing in on Friday and ideally available for today. Stable doors, horses and bolts and all that farside
  • Score: 1

11:21am Mon 24 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Grendel wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
college wrote:
Penny's finally dropped then
Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins ..
We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out,
If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.
Decent strike rate? I make it one goal every six games.
Yes mostly in the premier league, and never gets a run of games, at this level he would score.
A goal every six games in the Premier League will not translate into a goal every other game in the Championship.

Anyway, he's the wrong side of 30 for you.
He is the wrong side of thirty, just like Phillips has been for 10 years, quality is the dominating factor ..
Looks like the club have finally acted over the shambles of having one fit striker on there books... Something I have been saying for weeks!
Dave 2 will need time to get to the pace of the game here, he can't play the Leo roll, he is not a back to goal striker, obika is a head less chicken who never looks up when he has the ball..
As for ameboi , a goal every 6 games would have him as the second highest goal scorer at the club! Would you rather have obika or ameboi ? This would be a 93 day loan as cms and Hoskins can't be expected to simply return in form... This is real life not football manager.
Are you becoming obsessed with Football Manager - that's twice you've mentioned it in 24 hours just to me! Goodness knows how many times you've probably mentioned it in total.

However, it's funny that for strikers you think quality is more important than age (which it is) but for everyone else, especially the defence, you constantly complain that anyone over 30 is too old and needs to be replaced. Which is it?

As for Ameobi, a goal every 6 games would make him second top scorer, alongside Andrew Crofts, a midfielder., Everyone below them on that list are midfielders or defenders too. Of course he will score more than JFC or Orlandi, but it's hardly the answer to our goal-scoring woes, is it?

It's a moot point anyway as Ameobi is playing quite regularly for Newcastle, but considering he'd only play if Ulloa gets injured (and yes, I know you love to expect the worst) he's not going to get many minutes is he? If we're generous and he scored once in every 270 minutes (three games) that's likely to be about a dozen substitute appearances.

And a 93 day loan at Ameobi's wages is not going to represent anything like value for money for a bench warmer.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Penny's finally dropped then[/p][/quote]Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins .. We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out, If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.[/p][/quote]Decent strike rate? I make it one goal every six games.[/p][/quote]Yes mostly in the premier league, and never gets a run of games, at this level he would score.[/p][/quote]A goal every six games in the Premier League will not translate into a goal every other game in the Championship. Anyway, he's the wrong side of 30 for you.[/p][/quote]He is the wrong side of thirty, just like Phillips has been for 10 years, quality is the dominating factor .. Looks like the club have finally acted over the shambles of having one fit striker on there books... Something I have been saying for weeks! Dave 2 will need time to get to the pace of the game here, he can't play the Leo roll, he is not a back to goal striker, obika is a head less chicken who never looks up when he has the ball.. As for ameboi , a goal every 6 games would have him as the second highest goal scorer at the club! Would you rather have obika or ameboi ? This would be a 93 day loan as cms and Hoskins can't be expected to simply return in form... This is real life not football manager.[/p][/quote]Are you becoming obsessed with Football Manager - that's twice you've mentioned it in 24 hours just to me! Goodness knows how many times you've probably mentioned it in total. However, it's funny that for strikers you think quality is more important than age (which it is) but for everyone else, especially the defence, you constantly complain that anyone over 30 is too old and needs to be replaced. Which is it? As for Ameobi, a goal every 6 games would make him second top scorer, alongside Andrew Crofts, a midfielder., Everyone below them on that list are midfielders or defenders too. Of course he will score more than JFC or Orlandi, but it's hardly the answer to our goal-scoring woes, is it? It's a moot point anyway as Ameobi is playing quite regularly for Newcastle, but considering he'd only play if Ulloa gets injured (and yes, I know you love to expect the worst) he's not going to get many minutes is he? If we're generous and he scored once in every 270 minutes (three games) that's likely to be about a dozen substitute appearances. And a 93 day loan at Ameobi's wages is not going to represent anything like value for money for a bench warmer. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

11:30am Mon 24 Feb 14

Simbosims says...

Zamora on Pay as you Go. Brilliant at lay-offs for Alloa.
Zamora on Pay as you Go. Brilliant at lay-offs for Alloa. Simbosims
  • Score: 0

11:30am Mon 24 Feb 14

elljam says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
Of the top 10 clubs in the Championship on Saturday we had the most shots and most on target ( BBC stats, not always accurate, but a good guide ) - only Ipswich ( 10/1 ), Reading ( 8/1 ) and QPR ( 12/0 ) failed to score. Burnley were closest to Brighton ( 15/6 ) and scored 3 ( 2 for Vokes - what's happened to him? ) so we all agree that the problem is not creating chances, but finishing. The manager has been saying so for weeks - the problem will be finding someone who is available and can score the goals - we missed out on a couple during the window, but were probably hoping that CMS would be ready soon, but as he has suffered another set-back, we need back-up for Leo again. I'd start Obika tonight, let's see if he can perform if given a chance. The only time he's started for us, he scored.
Don't get deluded by one match as apart from Saturday the problem has also been creating chances.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: Of the top 10 clubs in the Championship on Saturday we had the most shots and most on target ( BBC stats, not always accurate, but a good guide ) - only Ipswich ( 10/1 ), Reading ( 8/1 ) and QPR ( 12/0 ) failed to score. Burnley were closest to Brighton ( 15/6 ) and scored 3 ( 2 for Vokes - what's happened to him? ) so we all agree that the problem is not creating chances, but finishing. The manager has been saying so for weeks - the problem will be finding someone who is available and can score the goals - we missed out on a couple during the window, but were probably hoping that CMS would be ready soon, but as he has suffered another set-back, we need back-up for Leo again. I'd start Obika tonight, let's see if he can perform if given a chance. The only time he's started for us, he scored.[/p][/quote]Don't get deluded by one match as apart from Saturday the problem has also been creating chances. elljam
  • Score: 3

11:36am Mon 24 Feb 14

Simbosims says...

Simbosims wrote:
Zamora on Pay as you Go. Brilliant at lay-offs for Alloa.
Sorry,not Alloa - must have been dreaming about my summer holidays.! Ulloa.
[quote][p][bold]Simbosims[/bold] wrote: Zamora on Pay as you Go. Brilliant at lay-offs for Alloa.[/p][/quote]Sorry,not Alloa - must have been dreaming about my summer holidays.! Ulloa. Simbosims
  • Score: 1

11:46am Mon 24 Feb 14

JeffLomer says...

The question is who is available to come in on loan now, my opinion should off been sorted out in January when we had time to look at the players not getting played, try for becchio he ain't even getting on the bench at Norwich, hope to see a lot off you at Hull tonight, come on Brighton!!!!
The question is who is available to come in on loan now, my opinion should off been sorted out in January when we had time to look at the players not getting played, try for becchio he ain't even getting on the bench at Norwich, hope to see a lot off you at Hull tonight, come on Brighton!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 0

12:14pm Mon 24 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Grendel wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
college wrote:
Penny's finally dropped then
Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins ..
We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out,
If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.
Decent strike rate? I make it one goal every six games.
Yes mostly in the premier league, and never gets a run of games, at this level he would score.
A goal every six games in the Premier League will not translate into a goal every other game in the Championship.

Anyway, he's the wrong side of 30 for you.
He is the wrong side of thirty, just like Phillips has been for 10 years, quality is the dominating factor ..
Looks like the club have finally acted over the shambles of having one fit striker on there books... Something I have been saying for weeks!
Dave 2 will need time to get to the pace of the game here, he can't play the Leo roll, he is not a back to goal striker, obika is a head less chicken who never looks up when he has the ball..
As for ameboi , a goal every 6 games would have him as the second highest goal scorer at the club! Would you rather have obika or ameboi ? This would be a 93 day loan as cms and Hoskins can't be expected to simply return in form... This is real life not football manager.
Are you becoming obsessed with Football Manager - that's twice you've mentioned it in 24 hours just to me! Goodness knows how many times you've probably mentioned it in total.

However, it's funny that for strikers you think quality is more important than age (which it is) but for everyone else, especially the defence, you constantly complain that anyone over 30 is too old and needs to be replaced. Which is it?

As for Ameobi, a goal every 6 games would make him second top scorer, alongside Andrew Crofts, a midfielder., Everyone below them on that list are midfielders or defenders too. Of course he will score more than JFC or Orlandi, but it's hardly the answer to our goal-scoring woes, is it?

It's a moot point anyway as Ameobi is playing quite regularly for Newcastle, but considering he'd only play if Ulloa gets injured (and yes, I know you love to expect the worst) he's not going to get many minutes is he? If we're generous and he scored once in every 270 minutes (three games) that's likely to be about a dozen substitute appearances.

And a 93 day loan at Ameobi's wages is not going to represent anything like value for money for a bench warmer.
Your very busy and critical, I said he would score more than he does in the premier league, If your talking about value for money, rather than wages? You have defend the club or should I say attack my points on a consistant basis... The need for another striker was stated pre season, then we sell Barnes ( the reason or his wages we don't know)
HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH AMEOBI IS ON. ? How do we know Newcastle won't pay 75% of his wages on a loan?
Did I say sign him permanently ? Sign him for ten weeks .
Cms and Hoskins will be ready for next season ( that's if we offer Hoskins a deal)
My point is simple really, we need a loan ASAP , we need experience and we need quality... AMEOBI might not be the right deal, but it's in the right direction .
As for him playing at Newcastle ( they have told him he can leave in the summer)
Who is to say AMEOBI would be a bench warmer ? Leo is injured and playing because we don't have anyone capable . Reading between the lines it's clear OG is saying he wants to rest Leo, but the club are trying to do it on the cheap.
I know you love my predictions, lol if obika starts it's 2-0 tonight.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Penny's finally dropped then[/p][/quote]Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins .. We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out, If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.[/p][/quote]Decent strike rate? I make it one goal every six games.[/p][/quote]Yes mostly in the premier league, and never gets a run of games, at this level he would score.[/p][/quote]A goal every six games in the Premier League will not translate into a goal every other game in the Championship. Anyway, he's the wrong side of 30 for you.[/p][/quote]He is the wrong side of thirty, just like Phillips has been for 10 years, quality is the dominating factor .. Looks like the club have finally acted over the shambles of having one fit striker on there books... Something I have been saying for weeks! Dave 2 will need time to get to the pace of the game here, he can't play the Leo roll, he is not a back to goal striker, obika is a head less chicken who never looks up when he has the ball.. As for ameboi , a goal every 6 games would have him as the second highest goal scorer at the club! Would you rather have obika or ameboi ? This would be a 93 day loan as cms and Hoskins can't be expected to simply return in form... This is real life not football manager.[/p][/quote]Are you becoming obsessed with Football Manager - that's twice you've mentioned it in 24 hours just to me! Goodness knows how many times you've probably mentioned it in total. However, it's funny that for strikers you think quality is more important than age (which it is) but for everyone else, especially the defence, you constantly complain that anyone over 30 is too old and needs to be replaced. Which is it? As for Ameobi, a goal every 6 games would make him second top scorer, alongside Andrew Crofts, a midfielder., Everyone below them on that list are midfielders or defenders too. Of course he will score more than JFC or Orlandi, but it's hardly the answer to our goal-scoring woes, is it? It's a moot point anyway as Ameobi is playing quite regularly for Newcastle, but considering he'd only play if Ulloa gets injured (and yes, I know you love to expect the worst) he's not going to get many minutes is he? If we're generous and he scored once in every 270 minutes (three games) that's likely to be about a dozen substitute appearances. And a 93 day loan at Ameobi's wages is not going to represent anything like value for money for a bench warmer.[/p][/quote]Your very busy and critical, I said he would score more than he does in the premier league, If your talking about value for money, rather than wages? You have defend the club or should I say attack my points on a consistant basis... The need for another striker was stated pre season, then we sell Barnes ( the reason or his wages we don't know) HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH AMEOBI IS ON. ? How do we know Newcastle won't pay 75% of his wages on a loan? Did I say sign him permanently ? Sign him for ten weeks . Cms and Hoskins will be ready for next season ( that's if we offer Hoskins a deal) My point is simple really, we need a loan ASAP , we need experience and we need quality... AMEOBI might not be the right deal, but it's in the right direction . As for him playing at Newcastle ( they have told him he can leave in the summer) Who is to say AMEOBI would be a bench warmer ? Leo is injured and playing because we don't have anyone capable . Reading between the lines it's clear OG is saying he wants to rest Leo, but the club are trying to do it on the cheap. I know you love my predictions, lol if obika starts it's 2-0 tonight. mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

12:20pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Hugothepug says...

Lets hope OG and co tap up Matty Fryett after game tonight. Quality striker, check out ratio, and available for loan so realistic!!
Lets hope OG and co tap up Matty Fryett after game tonight. Quality striker, check out ratio, and available for loan so realistic!! Hugothepug
  • Score: 7

12:35pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Claude Back says...

college wrote:
Penny's finally dropped then
Didn't know she was pregnant.
[quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Penny's finally dropped then[/p][/quote]Didn't know she was pregnant. Claude Back
  • Score: 13

12:35pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Mark, how am I being inconsistent? I was in fact pointing out your inconsistencies (with regard to players' ages, specifically).

I'm NOT saying we don't need back up for Ulloa as we patently do, but a guy who has played 20 odd games for a Premier League team this season is very unlikely to come to us without the promise of playing at LEAST as much as he is now. He was quoted as saying he wanted regular first-team football as he moves into the latter stages of his career. Can we guarantee him or any other striker that?

Also, if Newcastle are currently playing him, why would they pay a massive proportion of his wages but not have the ability to pick him? Bridge's wages were largely covered because he was never going to get in the Man City squad, so any saving was worth it from their POV.

The average wage at NUFC as at May 2012 (the most recent I can find at short notice) was £26k/week. Ameobi is a senior player so may be on more than the average, so it's probably safe to assume he is currently approaching £30k/week. You can do the maths on VFM.

He is also cup-tied, by the way.
Mark, how am I being inconsistent? I was in fact pointing out your inconsistencies (with regard to players' ages, specifically). I'm NOT saying we don't need back up for Ulloa as we patently do, but a guy who has played 20 odd games for a Premier League team this season is very unlikely to come to us without the promise of playing at LEAST as much as he is now. He was quoted as saying he wanted regular first-team football as he moves into the latter stages of his career. Can we guarantee him or any other striker that? Also, if Newcastle are currently playing him, why would they pay a massive proportion of his wages but not have the ability to pick him? Bridge's wages were largely covered because he was never going to get in the Man City squad, so any saving was worth it from their POV. The average wage at NUFC as at May 2012 (the most recent I can find at short notice) was £26k/week. Ameobi is a senior player so may be on more than the average, so it's probably safe to assume he is currently approaching £30k/week. You can do the maths on VFM. He is also cup-tied, by the way. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

12:38pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Apols, it seems you are accusing me of being consistent. In any case, I was not attacking you per se, just your asserting that (a) Ameobi has a decent goal scoring record, and (b) that a 40 year old striker is a good idea but 33 for a defender is too old.
Apols, it seems you are accusing me of being consistent. In any case, I was not attacking you per se, just your asserting that (a) Ameobi has a decent goal scoring record, and (b) that a 40 year old striker is a good idea but 33 for a defender is too old. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

12:53pm Mon 24 Feb 14

pte says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Mark, how am I being inconsistent? I was in fact pointing out your inconsistencies (with regard to players' ages, specifically).

I'm NOT saying we don't need back up for Ulloa as we patently do, but a guy who has played 20 odd games for a Premier League team this season is very unlikely to come to us without the promise of playing at LEAST as much as he is now. He was quoted as saying he wanted regular first-team football as he moves into the latter stages of his career. Can we guarantee him or any other striker that?

Also, if Newcastle are currently playing him, why would they pay a massive proportion of his wages but not have the ability to pick him? Bridge's wages were largely covered because he was never going to get in the Man City squad, so any saving was worth it from their POV.

The average wage at NUFC as at May 2012 (the most recent I can find at short notice) was £26k/week. Ameobi is a senior player so may be on more than the average, so it's probably safe to assume he is currently approaching £30k/week. You can do the maths on VFM.

He is also cup-tied, by the way.
So what if Ameobi is on 30k per week, its only to the end of the season. It would have made more sense to keep Barnes on a higher salary or even let him go on a Bosman than have no back up or second striker this season. The 750k will more than cover Ameobi's wages
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Mark, how am I being inconsistent? I was in fact pointing out your inconsistencies (with regard to players' ages, specifically). I'm NOT saying we don't need back up for Ulloa as we patently do, but a guy who has played 20 odd games for a Premier League team this season is very unlikely to come to us without the promise of playing at LEAST as much as he is now. He was quoted as saying he wanted regular first-team football as he moves into the latter stages of his career. Can we guarantee him or any other striker that? Also, if Newcastle are currently playing him, why would they pay a massive proportion of his wages but not have the ability to pick him? Bridge's wages were largely covered because he was never going to get in the Man City squad, so any saving was worth it from their POV. The average wage at NUFC as at May 2012 (the most recent I can find at short notice) was £26k/week. Ameobi is a senior player so may be on more than the average, so it's probably safe to assume he is currently approaching £30k/week. You can do the maths on VFM. He is also cup-tied, by the way.[/p][/quote]So what if Ameobi is on 30k per week, its only to the end of the season. It would have made more sense to keep Barnes on a higher salary or even let him go on a Bosman than have no back up or second striker this season. The 750k will more than cover Ameobi's wages pte
  • Score: -5

1:42pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Dunk 2 blame says...

Why would they do this if CMS & Hoskins are almost fit ha? It kind of makes the signing of Obika look even more silly.We need to cut our loss and call it a day with CMS,Hoskins,and rubbish like Obika.That way the club maybe able to find the wages to pay a real top striker to take some of the wait off Leo.But lets be honest Palace will up their offer to 7 million in the summer if they stay up,and Brighton will bite their hand off.
Why would they do this if CMS & Hoskins are almost fit ha? It kind of makes the signing of Obika look even more silly.We need to cut our loss and call it a day with CMS,Hoskins,and rubbish like Obika.That way the club maybe able to find the wages to pay a real top striker to take some of the wait off Leo.But lets be honest Palace will up their offer to 7 million in the summer if they stay up,and Brighton will bite their hand off. Dunk 2 blame
  • Score: -3

1:44pm Mon 24 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

I wonder how many of you would agree with me when I say, 'we will not find a striker, on loan, to replace Ulloa, there are none available.'

If a prem club had a player, surplus to requirements, that could score goals at our level at a rate on par with Leo, he would have been snapped up up by now by any one of the top eight or nine clubs, Arry would be champing at the bit to get him.

Our meagre goal scoring rate reflects our inability to score from other positions, we are missing Crofts big time.When thinking of our league matches, how often do one of our back four put the ball away from a corner or free kick, they come up for corners, but to no effect. Since we lost Crofts when did a midfield player put one away. Kaz, Solly, Buckley Stephens, Ince or Williams, a collective total of what? If others on the field could score a few Ulloa could come off, or be rested for a game, and Rodriguez could step in.

I would hope that any loan deals we may enter into, in an attempt to make life easier for Ulloa and get us some goals, will be directed at other positions. I mentioned a striker from a prem club, and some might suggest a striker from our level or below, but do you really think these guys are available at this time of the year.
We have a whole bunch of players that are very good until they get in or around the eighteen yard box, that's when they fail, and come next season this has to be addressed. In terms of a loan player there isn't another Ulloa out there, don't waste time looking for one, but there maybe another Crofts, or a center back that can head the ball into the net, someone who could give Upson a rest, Dunk can only cover one of the center backs any given game.
If Oscar has decided that he needs another striker, then perhaps he had better look to Italy, Belgium, France, Germany, anywhere, other than the English divisions.
I wonder how many of you would agree with me when I say, 'we will not find a striker, on loan, to replace Ulloa, there are none available.' If a prem club had a player, surplus to requirements, that could score goals at our level at a rate on par with Leo, he would have been snapped up up by now by any one of the top eight or nine clubs, Arry would be champing at the bit to get him. Our meagre goal scoring rate reflects our inability to score from other positions, we are missing Crofts big time.When thinking of our league matches, how often do one of our back four put the ball away from a corner or free kick, they come up for corners, but to no effect. Since we lost Crofts when did a midfield player put one away. Kaz, Solly, Buckley Stephens, Ince or Williams, a collective total of what? If others on the field could score a few Ulloa could come off, or be rested for a game, and Rodriguez could step in. I would hope that any loan deals we may enter into, in an attempt to make life easier for Ulloa and get us some goals, will be directed at other positions. I mentioned a striker from a prem club, and some might suggest a striker from our level or below, but do you really think these guys are available at this time of the year. We have a whole bunch of players that are very good until they get in or around the eighteen yard box, that's when they fail, and come next season this has to be addressed. In terms of a loan player there isn't another Ulloa out there, don't waste time looking for one, but there maybe another Crofts, or a center back that can head the ball into the net, someone who could give Upson a rest, Dunk can only cover one of the center backs any given game. If Oscar has decided that he needs another striker, then perhaps he had better look to Italy, Belgium, France, Germany, anywhere, other than the English divisions. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

1:49pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Dunk 2 blame says...

pjwilk wrote:
Dont let that Burke anywhere near picking new players he obviously has no clue as to what a real striker is,he is about as good as the other Blues Brother is at financial matters.Offloading them would save us a few bob.Let Oscar find a striker,then we can at least blame him,he cant hide in the suits offices.
What an outstanding post from yet another true fan with his own brain.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Dont let that Burke anywhere near picking new players he obviously has no clue as to what a real striker is,he is about as good as the other Blues Brother is at financial matters.Offloading them would save us a few bob.Let Oscar find a striker,then we can at least blame him,he cant hide in the suits offices.[/p][/quote]What an outstanding post from yet another true fan with his own brain. Dunk 2 blame
  • Score: 1

2:01pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

pte wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Mark, how am I being inconsistent? I was in fact pointing out your inconsistencies (with regard to players' ages, specifically).

I'm NOT saying we don't need back up for Ulloa as we patently do, but a guy who has played 20 odd games for a Premier League team this season is very unlikely to come to us without the promise of playing at LEAST as much as he is now. He was quoted as saying he wanted regular first-team football as he moves into the latter stages of his career. Can we guarantee him or any other striker that?

Also, if Newcastle are currently playing him, why would they pay a massive proportion of his wages but not have the ability to pick him? Bridge's wages were largely covered because he was never going to get in the Man City squad, so any saving was worth it from their POV.

The average wage at NUFC as at May 2012 (the most recent I can find at short notice) was £26k/week. Ameobi is a senior player so may be on more than the average, so it's probably safe to assume he is currently approaching £30k/week. You can do the maths on VFM.

He is also cup-tied, by the way.
So what if Ameobi is on 30k per week, its only to the end of the season. It would have made more sense to keep Barnes on a higher salary or even let him go on a Bosman than have no back up or second striker this season. The 750k will more than cover Ameobi's wages
£30/week for someone who will not be first choice other than if Ulloa gets injured is not value. A 93 day loan at that much is more than half the Barnes fee. For that money you need someone who will be almost guaranteed match time.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Mark, how am I being inconsistent? I was in fact pointing out your inconsistencies (with regard to players' ages, specifically). I'm NOT saying we don't need back up for Ulloa as we patently do, but a guy who has played 20 odd games for a Premier League team this season is very unlikely to come to us without the promise of playing at LEAST as much as he is now. He was quoted as saying he wanted regular first-team football as he moves into the latter stages of his career. Can we guarantee him or any other striker that? Also, if Newcastle are currently playing him, why would they pay a massive proportion of his wages but not have the ability to pick him? Bridge's wages were largely covered because he was never going to get in the Man City squad, so any saving was worth it from their POV. The average wage at NUFC as at May 2012 (the most recent I can find at short notice) was £26k/week. Ameobi is a senior player so may be on more than the average, so it's probably safe to assume he is currently approaching £30k/week. You can do the maths on VFM. He is also cup-tied, by the way.[/p][/quote]So what if Ameobi is on 30k per week, its only to the end of the season. It would have made more sense to keep Barnes on a higher salary or even let him go on a Bosman than have no back up or second striker this season. The 750k will more than cover Ameobi's wages[/p][/quote]£30/week for someone who will not be first choice other than if Ulloa gets injured is not value. A 93 day loan at that much is more than half the Barnes fee. For that money you need someone who will be almost guaranteed match time. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

2:07pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Vegas: "I wonder how many of you would agree with me when I say, 'we will not find a striker, on loan, to replace Ulloa, there are none available.'"

I agree entirely. They are like gold dust and we can't hope to land one short term, so we will have to make do with what is available and hope Ulloa doesn't break down again.
Vegas: "I wonder how many of you would agree with me when I say, 'we will not find a striker, on loan, to replace Ulloa, there are none available.'" I agree entirely. They are like gold dust and we can't hope to land one short term, so we will have to make do with what is available and hope Ulloa doesn't break down again. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

2:19pm Mon 24 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Vegas: "I wonder how many of you would agree with me when I say, 'we will not find a striker, on loan, to replace Ulloa, there are none available.'"

I agree entirely. They are like gold dust and we can't hope to land one short term, so we will have to make do with what is available and hope Ulloa doesn't break down again.
It's obvious that we must reduce our demands on Leo, as I see it the only way we can do that is to score from other positions, take the load off the lad. How good would Ridriguez be in the role of Ulloa, we have no idea because we can't rest Leo, no one else is scoring. If our back four could produce just one goal every 3 or 4 matches coupled with a goal every 3 or 4 matches, or better, from midfield, just think how that would help, but they don't, it's all down to Leo.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Vegas: "I wonder how many of you would agree with me when I say, 'we will not find a striker, on loan, to replace Ulloa, there are none available.'" I agree entirely. They are like gold dust and we can't hope to land one short term, so we will have to make do with what is available and hope Ulloa doesn't break down again.[/p][/quote]It's obvious that we must reduce our demands on Leo, as I see it the only way we can do that is to score from other positions, take the load off the lad. How good would Ridriguez be in the role of Ulloa, we have no idea because we can't rest Leo, no one else is scoring. If our back four could produce just one goal every 3 or 4 matches coupled with a goal every 3 or 4 matches, or better, from midfield, just think how that would help, but they don't, it's all down to Leo. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

2:24pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Vegas: "I wonder how many of you would agree with me when I say, 'we will not find a striker, on loan, to replace Ulloa, there are none available.'"

I agree entirely. They are like gold dust and we can't hope to land one short term, so we will have to make do with what is available and hope Ulloa doesn't break down again.
It's obvious that we must reduce our demands on Leo, as I see it the only way we can do that is to score from other positions, take the load off the lad. How good would Ridriguez be in the role of Ulloa, we have no idea because we can't rest Leo, no one else is scoring. If our back four could produce just one goal every 3 or 4 matches coupled with a goal every 3 or 4 matches, or better, from midfield, just think how that would help, but they don't, it's all down to Leo.
Midfield scoring has been the major difference this season compared to last. Orlandi, David, LuaLua and Buckley were all semi-regulars on the sheet last season, but this year, next to nada. Losing Crofts has been a massive blow.

Upson has been very close to scoring on numerous occasions (saves, woodwork, goal-line clearances) but I can't recall Greer ever threatening.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Vegas: "I wonder how many of you would agree with me when I say, 'we will not find a striker, on loan, to replace Ulloa, there are none available.'" I agree entirely. They are like gold dust and we can't hope to land one short term, so we will have to make do with what is available and hope Ulloa doesn't break down again.[/p][/quote]It's obvious that we must reduce our demands on Leo, as I see it the only way we can do that is to score from other positions, take the load off the lad. How good would Ridriguez be in the role of Ulloa, we have no idea because we can't rest Leo, no one else is scoring. If our back four could produce just one goal every 3 or 4 matches coupled with a goal every 3 or 4 matches, or better, from midfield, just think how that would help, but they don't, it's all down to Leo.[/p][/quote]Midfield scoring has been the major difference this season compared to last. Orlandi, David, LuaLua and Buckley were all semi-regulars on the sheet last season, but this year, next to nada. Losing Crofts has been a massive blow. Upson has been very close to scoring on numerous occasions (saves, woodwork, goal-line clearances) but I can't recall Greer ever threatening. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

2:35pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Dunk 2 blame says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I wonder how many of you would agree with me when I say, 'we will not find a striker, on loan, to replace Ulloa, there are none available.'

If a prem club had a player, surplus to requirements, that could score goals at our level at a rate on par with Leo, he would have been snapped up up by now by any one of the top eight or nine clubs, Arry would be champing at the bit to get him.

Our meagre goal scoring rate reflects our inability to score from other positions, we are missing Crofts big time.When thinking of our league matches, how often do one of our back four put the ball away from a corner or free kick, they come up for corners, but to no effect. Since we lost Crofts when did a midfield player put one away. Kaz, Solly, Buckley Stephens, Ince or Williams, a collective total of what? If others on the field could score a few Ulloa could come off, or be rested for a game, and Rodriguez could step in.

I would hope that any loan deals we may enter into, in an attempt to make life easier for Ulloa and get us some goals, will be directed at other positions. I mentioned a striker from a prem club, and some might suggest a striker from our level or below, but do you really think these guys are available at this time of the year.
We have a whole bunch of players that are very good until they get in or around the eighteen yard box, that's when they fail, and come next season this has to be addressed. In terms of a loan player there isn't another Ulloa out there, don't waste time looking for one, but there maybe another Crofts, or a center back that can head the ball into the net, someone who could give Upson a rest, Dunk can only cover one of the center backs any given game.
If Oscar has decided that he needs another striker, then perhaps he had better look to Italy, Belgium, France, Germany, anywhere, other than the English divisions.
Outstanding post Vegas.Thats why they are not playing in the prem-league.Also great point about OG looking in France,Germany,and Italy.Thing is we don't have a real manager my friend.We have Jones and Burke doing this job.Obika is 100% down to Jones.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many of you would agree with me when I say, 'we will not find a striker, on loan, to replace Ulloa, there are none available.' If a prem club had a player, surplus to requirements, that could score goals at our level at a rate on par with Leo, he would have been snapped up up by now by any one of the top eight or nine clubs, Arry would be champing at the bit to get him. Our meagre goal scoring rate reflects our inability to score from other positions, we are missing Crofts big time.When thinking of our league matches, how often do one of our back four put the ball away from a corner or free kick, they come up for corners, but to no effect. Since we lost Crofts when did a midfield player put one away. Kaz, Solly, Buckley Stephens, Ince or Williams, a collective total of what? If others on the field could score a few Ulloa could come off, or be rested for a game, and Rodriguez could step in. I would hope that any loan deals we may enter into, in an attempt to make life easier for Ulloa and get us some goals, will be directed at other positions. I mentioned a striker from a prem club, and some might suggest a striker from our level or below, but do you really think these guys are available at this time of the year. We have a whole bunch of players that are very good until they get in or around the eighteen yard box, that's when they fail, and come next season this has to be addressed. In terms of a loan player there isn't another Ulloa out there, don't waste time looking for one, but there maybe another Crofts, or a center back that can head the ball into the net, someone who could give Upson a rest, Dunk can only cover one of the center backs any given game. If Oscar has decided that he needs another striker, then perhaps he had better look to Italy, Belgium, France, Germany, anywhere, other than the English divisions.[/p][/quote]Outstanding post Vegas.Thats why they are not playing in the prem-league.Also great point about OG looking in France,Germany,and Italy.Thing is we don't have a real manager my friend.We have Jones and Burke doing this job.Obika is 100% down to Jones. Dunk 2 blame
  • Score: -7

2:41pm Mon 24 Feb 14

johnpears says...

How about we bring in a striker on loan to play WITH Ulloa. That is what we are missing, especially at home.
How about we bring in a striker on loan to play WITH Ulloa. That is what we are missing, especially at home. johnpears
  • Score: 3

2:48pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Claude Back says...

Dunk 2 blame wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
Dont let that Burke anywhere near picking new players he obviously has no clue as to what a real striker is,he is about as good as the other Blues Brother is at financial matters.Offloading them would save us a few bob.Let Oscar find a striker,then we can at least blame him,he cant hide in the suits offices.
What an outstanding post from yet another true fan with his own brain.
And there it is. Nice to see you back. Have truly missed your brain quotes. I wonder how many untrue fans there are with other people's brains?
[quote][p][bold]Dunk 2 blame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Dont let that Burke anywhere near picking new players he obviously has no clue as to what a real striker is,he is about as good as the other Blues Brother is at financial matters.Offloading them would save us a few bob.Let Oscar find a striker,then we can at least blame him,he cant hide in the suits offices.[/p][/quote]What an outstanding post from yet another true fan with his own brain.[/p][/quote]And there it is. Nice to see you back. Have truly missed your brain quotes. I wonder how many untrue fans there are with other people's brains? Claude Back
  • Score: 9

2:49pm Mon 24 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

I read one of the newspaper reports this morning that suggests that Arry might be for the chop, QPR board must be peeing in their collective pants over fear of not getting promoted considering their financial circumstances. It's so easy to say, buy this or that player and we will win matches, so often it just doesn't work. Striker names will be thrown out there by users of this forum, people we should sign, but Arry's spending simply proves that cheque book management at our level gaurentees nothing. As a club we have to develope from within and that will take time. A group of 6 or 7 lads that grow and develope together will out perform 6 or 7 cheque book signings over the long run. When we undertake a rebuild this summer, my dearest hope is that we sign younger players, players to add to our existing starlets. Ince, Solly, Dunk, JFC, Hoskins added to players such as Ward (we should buy him) Leo, TK, and Upson (he can do another year) are a good group to build around.
I read one of the newspaper reports this morning that suggests that Arry might be for the chop, QPR board must be peeing in their collective pants over fear of not getting promoted considering their financial circumstances. It's so easy to say, buy this or that player and we will win matches, so often it just doesn't work. Striker names will be thrown out there by users of this forum, people we should sign, but Arry's spending simply proves that cheque book management at our level gaurentees nothing. As a club we have to develope from within and that will take time. A group of 6 or 7 lads that grow and develope together will out perform 6 or 7 cheque book signings over the long run. When we undertake a rebuild this summer, my dearest hope is that we sign younger players, players to add to our existing starlets. Ince, Solly, Dunk, JFC, Hoskins added to players such as Ward (we should buy him) Leo, TK, and Upson (he can do another year) are a good group to build around. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 6

2:50pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Claude Back says...

johnpears wrote:
How about we bring in a striker on loan to play WITH Ulloa. That is what we are missing, especially at home.
Exactly!
[quote][p][bold]johnpears[/bold] wrote: How about we bring in a striker on loan to play WITH Ulloa. That is what we are missing, especially at home.[/p][/quote]Exactly! Claude Back
  • Score: 0

2:52pm Mon 24 Feb 14

pte says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Vegas: "I wonder how many of you would agree with me when I say, 'we will not find a striker, on loan, to replace Ulloa, there are none available.'"

I agree entirely. They are like gold dust and we can't hope to land one short term, so we will have to make do with what is available and hope Ulloa doesn't break down again.
It's obvious that we must reduce our demands on Leo, as I see it the only way we can do that is to score from other positions, take the load off the lad. How good would Ridriguez be in the role of Ulloa, we have no idea because we can't rest Leo, no one else is scoring. If our back four could produce just one goal every 3 or 4 matches coupled with a goal every 3 or 4 matches, or better, from midfield, just think how that would help, but they don't, it's all down to Leo.
If they need to score from other positions then maybe Barber and Burke should get a copy of the Kama Sutra.

As you say good loans may not be available but then Barber and Burke should have thought about that before failing to improve Barnes wages. He went to Burnley with no guarantee of playing in the first team. In fact Burnley bought him as back up, something we now don't have.

Interestingly Barber said in the interview he doesn't read the comments on the web as he doesn't have the time. Funny that because someone is obviously following the web chat. All the spin from the club follows whats said on the web afterwards.

As Mark pointed out the club is always behind the curve and not proactive.

Regarding loans, don't hold your breath or if you do call out an ambulance beforehand with a defibrilator
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Vegas: "I wonder how many of you would agree with me when I say, 'we will not find a striker, on loan, to replace Ulloa, there are none available.'" I agree entirely. They are like gold dust and we can't hope to land one short term, so we will have to make do with what is available and hope Ulloa doesn't break down again.[/p][/quote]It's obvious that we must reduce our demands on Leo, as I see it the only way we can do that is to score from other positions, take the load off the lad. How good would Ridriguez be in the role of Ulloa, we have no idea because we can't rest Leo, no one else is scoring. If our back four could produce just one goal every 3 or 4 matches coupled with a goal every 3 or 4 matches, or better, from midfield, just think how that would help, but they don't, it's all down to Leo.[/p][/quote]If they need to score from other positions then maybe Barber and Burke should get a copy of the Kama Sutra. As you say good loans may not be available but then Barber and Burke should have thought about that before failing to improve Barnes wages. He went to Burnley with no guarantee of playing in the first team. In fact Burnley bought him as back up, something we now don't have. Interestingly Barber said in the interview he doesn't read the comments on the web as he doesn't have the time. Funny that because someone is obviously following the web chat. All the spin from the club follows whats said on the web afterwards. As Mark pointed out the club is always behind the curve and not proactive. Regarding loans, don't hold your breath or if you do call out an ambulance beforehand with a defibrilator pte
  • Score: -4

3:56pm Mon 24 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

Pte.
Barber did say that, 'others,' check the forums and report back to him with anything that they feel is relevant.

It is very easy to say that this year we are building for next year, that could be said about any of our first three at the Amex, but this time I actually think it could be the case.
In Oscar we have a coach, a coach of very high calibre, who has and will continue to serve us very well. I think Oscar is less of a manager, and for me that is a good thing, he will work with Burke and Barber, they will take some of the managerial undertakings from his shoulders, but Oscar will always be the team boss in every way.
The reason why I am so pleased to have Oscar at the club, and with the current managerial set up is, Oscar is a specialist coach, his forte is bringing young players on, and that takes me back to my thinking about our building for next year and the year after that.
Oscar can use a player like Upson, any half decent manager at our level could, but the difference between other managers and coach Oscar is that he can create a future Upson by developing a youngster, and few managers in our division can say the same.
We just sold Bridcutt for a record fee, and Poyet deserves the credit for that, in Oscar we have a coach that could develop four, five or more Bridcutts, the way Ince is going what price tag will he have in two years from now, and how many more of his ilk will join us, the Bridcutt fee will be eclipsed.

A coach that has a history and a track record of success in bringing on young players is not going to be looking for guys nearing the end of their careers to sign, old dogs don't learn new tricks, they just remember old ones from days past. I am totally convinced that Oscar is the right man to work with Barber and Burke, this is a trio that will deliver. This year we have had to muddle thru, injuries have taken their toll, but we have resisted the temptation to spend for success, and I have to think that there is a plan behind resisting that temptation and that plan is about more than just the FFP. Oscar is about tomorrow.
Pte. Barber did say that, 'others,' check the forums and report back to him with anything that they feel is relevant. It is very easy to say that this year we are building for next year, that could be said about any of our first three at the Amex, but this time I actually think it could be the case. In Oscar we have a coach, a coach of very high calibre, who has and will continue to serve us very well. I think Oscar is less of a manager, and for me that is a good thing, he will work with Burke and Barber, they will take some of the managerial undertakings from his shoulders, but Oscar will always be the team boss in every way. The reason why I am so pleased to have Oscar at the club, and with the current managerial set up is, Oscar is a specialist coach, his forte is bringing young players on, and that takes me back to my thinking about our building for next year and the year after that. Oscar can use a player like Upson, any half decent manager at our level could, but the difference between other managers and coach Oscar is that he can create a future Upson by developing a youngster, and few managers in our division can say the same. We just sold Bridcutt for a record fee, and Poyet deserves the credit for that, in Oscar we have a coach that could develop four, five or more Bridcutts, the way Ince is going what price tag will he have in two years from now, and how many more of his ilk will join us, the Bridcutt fee will be eclipsed. A coach that has a history and a track record of success in bringing on young players is not going to be looking for guys nearing the end of their careers to sign, old dogs don't learn new tricks, they just remember old ones from days past. I am totally convinced that Oscar is the right man to work with Barber and Burke, this is a trio that will deliver. This year we have had to muddle thru, injuries have taken their toll, but we have resisted the temptation to spend for success, and I have to think that there is a plan behind resisting that temptation and that plan is about more than just the FFP. Oscar is about tomorrow. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

4:41pm Mon 24 Feb 14

fan since 61 says...

Pte
What an excellent post
Pte What an excellent post fan since 61
  • Score: -3

4:42pm Mon 24 Feb 14

albion64 says...

college wrote:
Penny's finally dropped then
I think it was more the case that Garcia has been restricted in signing anyone. Obika is just not good enough and the club have been wasting his time and theirs (let alone the money). Having said it ages ago, we need to set our sights higher and sign some quality.

There is no point waiting for CMS and Hoskins. CMS now has another injury and it will be a long road back for both of them, considering their injuries. They can't be expected to fire on all cylinders straight away. We should have invested last window, then we would have more poInts than we have now. UTA
[quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Penny's finally dropped then[/p][/quote]I think it was more the case that Garcia has been restricted in signing anyone. Obika is just not good enough and the club have been wasting his time and theirs (let alone the money). Having said it ages ago, we need to set our sights higher and sign some quality. There is no point waiting for CMS and Hoskins. CMS now has another injury and it will be a long road back for both of them, considering their injuries. They can't be expected to fire on all cylinders straight away. We should have invested last window, then we would have more poInts than we have now. UTA albion64
  • Score: 0

4:49pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?
I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

4:49pm Mon 24 Feb 14

wiseman of hove says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Pte.
Barber did say that, 'others,' check the forums and report back to him with anything that they feel is relevant.

It is very easy to say that this year we are building for next year, that could be said about any of our first three at the Amex, but this time I actually think it could be the case.
In Oscar we have a coach, a coach of very high calibre, who has and will continue to serve us very well. I think Oscar is less of a manager, and for me that is a good thing, he will work with Burke and Barber, they will take some of the managerial undertakings from his shoulders, but Oscar will always be the team boss in every way.
The reason why I am so pleased to have Oscar at the club, and with the current managerial set up is, Oscar is a specialist coach, his forte is bringing young players on, and that takes me back to my thinking about our building for next year and the year after that.
Oscar can use a player like Upson, any half decent manager at our level could, but the difference between other managers and coach Oscar is that he can create a future Upson by developing a youngster, and few managers in our division can say the same.
We just sold Bridcutt for a record fee, and Poyet deserves the credit for that, in Oscar we have a coach that could develop four, five or more Bridcutts, the way Ince is going what price tag will he have in two years from now, and how many more of his ilk will join us, the Bridcutt fee will be eclipsed.

A coach that has a history and a track record of success in bringing on young players is not going to be looking for guys nearing the end of their careers to sign, old dogs don't learn new tricks, they just remember old ones from days past. I am totally convinced that Oscar is the right man to work with Barber and Burke, this is a trio that will deliver. This year we have had to muddle thru, injuries have taken their toll, but we have resisted the temptation to spend for success, and I have to think that there is a plan behind resisting that temptation and that plan is about more than just the FFP. Oscar is about tomorrow.
Yes Vegas, the forums are read, whether it be Barber or one of his team. The points you make are well made regarding Oscar. The emergence of Ince and March in particular is surely down to Oscar. I'm sure we have the right man as far as coaching is concerned. I hope JFC continues to progress - I would imagine Goodwin will be another to emerge in due course.
You mention our former manager. I was leaving the Gus bus before his exit occurred but it has to be acknowledged that nearly all the significant players are from his time, even the youngsters. I did not expect Oscar in his first season to have deep knowledge of the English game as far as transfer and loans appropriate to us, were concerned. He has had to rely on Burke and Jones? I do feel they have under performed. Augustein, Lita Andrews, Obika and Rodriquez. Pretty underwhelming for me. Ward has been a great success and like you, I would like to see him here next year, with Upson again. Stephens for me is going to be a excellent signing.
Oscar has his work cut out continuing to bring the younger players through and setting up the team et. Next season, his support staff have to do better on the acquisition front.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Pte. Barber did say that, 'others,' check the forums and report back to him with anything that they feel is relevant. It is very easy to say that this year we are building for next year, that could be said about any of our first three at the Amex, but this time I actually think it could be the case. In Oscar we have a coach, a coach of very high calibre, who has and will continue to serve us very well. I think Oscar is less of a manager, and for me that is a good thing, he will work with Burke and Barber, they will take some of the managerial undertakings from his shoulders, but Oscar will always be the team boss in every way. The reason why I am so pleased to have Oscar at the club, and with the current managerial set up is, Oscar is a specialist coach, his forte is bringing young players on, and that takes me back to my thinking about our building for next year and the year after that. Oscar can use a player like Upson, any half decent manager at our level could, but the difference between other managers and coach Oscar is that he can create a future Upson by developing a youngster, and few managers in our division can say the same. We just sold Bridcutt for a record fee, and Poyet deserves the credit for that, in Oscar we have a coach that could develop four, five or more Bridcutts, the way Ince is going what price tag will he have in two years from now, and how many more of his ilk will join us, the Bridcutt fee will be eclipsed. A coach that has a history and a track record of success in bringing on young players is not going to be looking for guys nearing the end of their careers to sign, old dogs don't learn new tricks, they just remember old ones from days past. I am totally convinced that Oscar is the right man to work with Barber and Burke, this is a trio that will deliver. This year we have had to muddle thru, injuries have taken their toll, but we have resisted the temptation to spend for success, and I have to think that there is a plan behind resisting that temptation and that plan is about more than just the FFP. Oscar is about tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Yes Vegas, the forums are read, whether it be Barber or one of his team. The points you make are well made regarding Oscar. The emergence of Ince and March in particular is surely down to Oscar. I'm sure we have the right man as far as coaching is concerned. I hope JFC continues to progress - I would imagine Goodwin will be another to emerge in due course. You mention our former manager. I was leaving the Gus bus before his exit occurred but it has to be acknowledged that nearly all the significant players are from his time, even the youngsters. I did not expect Oscar in his first season to have deep knowledge of the English game as far as transfer and loans appropriate to us, were concerned. He has had to rely on Burke and Jones? I do feel they have under performed. Augustein, Lita Andrews, Obika and Rodriquez. Pretty underwhelming for me. Ward has been a great success and like you, I would like to see him here next year, with Upson again. Stephens for me is going to be a excellent signing. Oscar has his work cut out continuing to bring the younger players through and setting up the team et. Next season, his support staff have to do better on the acquisition front. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 3

4:56pm Mon 24 Feb 14

albionbloke says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Grendel wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
college wrote:
Penny's finally dropped then
Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins ..
We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out,
If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.
Decent strike rate? I make it one goal every six games.
Yes mostly in the premier league, and never gets a run of games, at this level he would score.
A goal every six games in the Premier League will not translate into a goal every other game in the Championship.

Anyway, he's the wrong side of 30 for you.
He is the wrong side of thirty, just like Phillips has been for 10 years, quality is the dominating factor ..
Looks like the club have finally acted over the shambles of having one fit striker on there books... Something I have been saying for weeks!
Dave 2 will need time to get to the pace of the game here, he can't play the Leo roll, he is not a back to goal striker, obika is a head less chicken who never looks up when he has the ball..
As for ameboi , a goal every 6 games would have him as the second highest goal scorer at the club! Would you rather have obika or ameboi ? This would be a 93 day loan as cms and Hoskins can't be expected to simply return in form... This is real life not football manager.
Are you becoming obsessed with Football Manager - that's twice you've mentioned it in 24 hours just to me! Goodness knows how many times you've probably mentioned it in total.

However, it's funny that for strikers you think quality is more important than age (which it is) but for everyone else, especially the defence, you constantly complain that anyone over 30 is too old and needs to be replaced. Which is it?

As for Ameobi, a goal every 6 games would make him second top scorer, alongside Andrew Crofts, a midfielder., Everyone below them on that list are midfielders or defenders too. Of course he will score more than JFC or Orlandi, but it's hardly the answer to our goal-scoring woes, is it?

It's a moot point anyway as Ameobi is playing quite regularly for Newcastle, but considering he'd only play if Ulloa gets injured (and yes, I know you love to expect the worst) he's not going to get many minutes is he? If we're generous and he scored once in every 270 minutes (three games) that's likely to be about a dozen substitute appearances.

And a 93 day loan at Ameobi's wages is not going to represent anything like value for money for a bench warmer.
Nice one Arnie
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Penny's finally dropped then[/p][/quote]Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins .. We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out, If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.[/p][/quote]Decent strike rate? I make it one goal every six games.[/p][/quote]Yes mostly in the premier league, and never gets a run of games, at this level he would score.[/p][/quote]A goal every six games in the Premier League will not translate into a goal every other game in the Championship. Anyway, he's the wrong side of 30 for you.[/p][/quote]He is the wrong side of thirty, just like Phillips has been for 10 years, quality is the dominating factor .. Looks like the club have finally acted over the shambles of having one fit striker on there books... Something I have been saying for weeks! Dave 2 will need time to get to the pace of the game here, he can't play the Leo roll, he is not a back to goal striker, obika is a head less chicken who never looks up when he has the ball.. As for ameboi , a goal every 6 games would have him as the second highest goal scorer at the club! Would you rather have obika or ameboi ? This would be a 93 day loan as cms and Hoskins can't be expected to simply return in form... This is real life not football manager.[/p][/quote]Are you becoming obsessed with Football Manager - that's twice you've mentioned it in 24 hours just to me! Goodness knows how many times you've probably mentioned it in total. However, it's funny that for strikers you think quality is more important than age (which it is) but for everyone else, especially the defence, you constantly complain that anyone over 30 is too old and needs to be replaced. Which is it? As for Ameobi, a goal every 6 games would make him second top scorer, alongside Andrew Crofts, a midfielder., Everyone below them on that list are midfielders or defenders too. Of course he will score more than JFC or Orlandi, but it's hardly the answer to our goal-scoring woes, is it? It's a moot point anyway as Ameobi is playing quite regularly for Newcastle, but considering he'd only play if Ulloa gets injured (and yes, I know you love to expect the worst) he's not going to get many minutes is he? If we're generous and he scored once in every 270 minutes (three games) that's likely to be about a dozen substitute appearances. And a 93 day loan at Ameobi's wages is not going to represent anything like value for money for a bench warmer.[/p][/quote]Nice one Arnie albionbloke
  • Score: 3

5:01pm Mon 24 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?
Well Arnie the article says we are looking for a player to help out Leo ? Clearly they don't think the lethal one is up to the job, having seen him play in flesh and blood, he is a donkey.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?[/p][/quote]Well Arnie the article says we are looking for a player to help out Leo ? Clearly they don't think the lethal one is up to the job, having seen him play in flesh and blood, he is a donkey. mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

5:02pm Mon 24 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

albion64 wrote:
college wrote:
Penny's finally dropped then
I think it was more the case that Garcia has been restricted in signing anyone. Obika is just not good enough and the club have been wasting his time and theirs (let alone the money). Having said it ages ago, we need to set our sights higher and sign some quality.

There is no point waiting for CMS and Hoskins. CMS now has another injury and it will be a long road back for both of them, considering their injuries. They can't be expected to fire on all cylinders straight away. We should have invested last window, then we would have more poInts than we have now. UTA
Yes perhaps Obika will turn out not to be what we want or need but you have to consider our circumstances at the time of his loan starting, we were in trouble. When you talk of signing some, 'quality,' you also have to talk about the costs in doing so. We could try to buy for instant success, do a QPR or a Forest, or we could use Oscar's talents and allow him time to develop a younger squad. I am not in need of instant success for Brighton, I can wait and enjoy the process of watching as we build. When I watch Liverpool play on TV I get more of a buzz from seeing what Sterling can do than what Gerrad does, it won't be long before we have our own Raheem Sterling. I wonder, what will it feel like to watch a 23-25 yearold playing like Upson when wearing the stripes, or having a young defender who can do what what other young defenders currently do in the prem divison today.
Foe me it's true to say that tomorrow is more exciting than today, but that excitement stems from what I think will be due to our new facility rather than how big the cheques are that we can write today.
[quote][p][bold]albion64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Penny's finally dropped then[/p][/quote]I think it was more the case that Garcia has been restricted in signing anyone. Obika is just not good enough and the club have been wasting his time and theirs (let alone the money). Having said it ages ago, we need to set our sights higher and sign some quality. There is no point waiting for CMS and Hoskins. CMS now has another injury and it will be a long road back for both of them, considering their injuries. They can't be expected to fire on all cylinders straight away. We should have invested last window, then we would have more poInts than we have now. UTA[/p][/quote]Yes perhaps Obika will turn out not to be what we want or need but you have to consider our circumstances at the time of his loan starting, we were in trouble. When you talk of signing some, 'quality,' you also have to talk about the costs in doing so. We could try to buy for instant success, do a QPR or a Forest, or we could use Oscar's talents and allow him time to develop a younger squad. I am not in need of instant success for Brighton, I can wait and enjoy the process of watching as we build. When I watch Liverpool play on TV I get more of a buzz from seeing what Sterling can do than what Gerrad does, it won't be long before we have our own Raheem Sterling. I wonder, what will it feel like to watch a 23-25 yearold playing like Upson when wearing the stripes, or having a young defender who can do what what other young defenders currently do in the prem divison today. Foe me it's true to say that tomorrow is more exciting than today, but that excitement stems from what I think will be due to our new facility rather than how big the cheques are that we can write today. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

5:02pm Mon 24 Feb 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

You've only got to see Oscar's post Wigan press conference and his veiled comments, body language and general demeanor to see he's fed up with the Burke system of choosing players.

It's so obvious to most supporters that there is a problem in that part of our club I'm sure Tony Bloom will address it soon. If not, I can see us having to look for another new manager soon.

Just look back and see when everything changed with Gus Poyet. It was when Burke was appointed. Oscar has too much experience working with a properly run club at Barcelona to put up with this for too long.
You've only got to see Oscar's post Wigan press conference and his veiled comments, body language and general demeanor to see he's fed up with the Burke system of choosing players. It's so obvious to most supporters that there is a problem in that part of our club I'm sure Tony Bloom will address it soon. If not, I can see us having to look for another new manager soon. Just look back and see when everything changed with Gus Poyet. It was when Burke was appointed. Oscar has too much experience working with a properly run club at Barcelona to put up with this for too long. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 1

5:04pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Hovite says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?
Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?[/p][/quote]Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable. Hovite
  • Score: 5

5:12pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?
Well Arnie the article says we are looking for a player to help out Leo ? Clearly they don't think the lethal one is up to the job, having seen him play in flesh and blood, he is a donkey.
And just how many minutes have you judged that on?

Obika is a completely different type of player to Ulloa - not a like-for-like to play the hold-up role - so that is a straw man argument.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?[/p][/quote]Well Arnie the article says we are looking for a player to help out Leo ? Clearly they don't think the lethal one is up to the job, having seen him play in flesh and blood, he is a donkey.[/p][/quote]And just how many minutes have you judged that on? Obika is a completely different type of player to Ulloa - not a like-for-like to play the hold-up role - so that is a straw man argument. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 6

5:12pm Mon 24 Feb 14

wiseman of hove says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?
Well Arnie the article says we are looking for a player to help out Leo ? Clearly they don't think the lethal one is up to the job, having seen him play in flesh and blood, he is a donkey.
'They' Mark may not be right. If managers and coaches got it right every time nobody would be sacked would they?
Obika might not be up to it but he has barely been given a chance and has taken some pretty grim stick on here. I have included him on my 'underwhelming' list in a response to Vegas above, but it would not surprise me if it's a confidence issue rather than a lack of ability.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?[/p][/quote]Well Arnie the article says we are looking for a player to help out Leo ? Clearly they don't think the lethal one is up to the job, having seen him play in flesh and blood, he is a donkey.[/p][/quote]'They' Mark may not be right. If managers and coaches got it right every time nobody would be sacked would they? Obika might not be up to it but he has barely been given a chance and has taken some pretty grim stick on here. I have included him on my 'underwhelming' list in a response to Vegas above, but it would not surprise me if it's a confidence issue rather than a lack of ability. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 7

5:13pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
You've only got to see Oscar's post Wigan press conference and his veiled comments, body language and general demeanor to see he's fed up with the Burke system of choosing players.

It's so obvious to most supporters that there is a problem in that part of our club I'm sure Tony Bloom will address it soon. If not, I can see us having to look for another new manager soon.

Just look back and see when everything changed with Gus Poyet. It was when Burke was appointed. Oscar has too much experience working with a properly run club at Barcelona to put up with this for too long.
Would that be the Barcelona where they have a head coach and 'director of football'? So, not so very different then.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: You've only got to see Oscar's post Wigan press conference and his veiled comments, body language and general demeanor to see he's fed up with the Burke system of choosing players. It's so obvious to most supporters that there is a problem in that part of our club I'm sure Tony Bloom will address it soon. If not, I can see us having to look for another new manager soon. Just look back and see when everything changed with Gus Poyet. It was when Burke was appointed. Oscar has too much experience working with a properly run club at Barcelona to put up with this for too long.[/p][/quote]Would that be the Barcelona where they have a head coach and 'director of football'? So, not so very different then. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

5:16pm Mon 24 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
albion64 wrote:
college wrote:
Penny's finally dropped then
I think it was more the case that Garcia has been restricted in signing anyone. Obika is just not good enough and the club have been wasting his time and theirs (let alone the money). Having said it ages ago, we need to set our sights higher and sign some quality.

There is no point waiting for CMS and Hoskins. CMS now has another injury and it will be a long road back for both of them, considering their injuries. They can't be expected to fire on all cylinders straight away. We should have invested last window, then we would have more poInts than we have now. UTA
Yes perhaps Obika will turn out not to be what we want or need but you have to consider our circumstances at the time of his loan starting, we were in trouble. When you talk of signing some, 'quality,' you also have to talk about the costs in doing so. We could try to buy for instant success, do a QPR or a Forest, or we could use Oscar's talents and allow him time to develop a younger squad. I am not in need of instant success for Brighton, I can wait and enjoy the process of watching as we build. When I watch Liverpool play on TV I get more of a buzz from seeing what Sterling can do than what Gerrad does, it won't be long before we have our own Raheem Sterling. I wonder, what will it feel like to watch a 23-25 yearold playing like Upson when wearing the stripes, or having a young defender who can do what what other young defenders currently do in the prem divison today.
Foe me it's true to say that tomorrow is more exciting than today, but that excitement stems from what I think will be due to our new facility rather than how big the cheques are that we can write today.
But Vegas your not shelling out £50 plus for a home game, 23,500 have pledged there money a year in advance, I don't want to watch poor quality players because that's what our budget is...
We pay premiership money , we want decent players, I don't want to spend silly money, but Burke and barber are certain wages will come down?
Let's say we don't go up, the three clubs coming down will have finance and the squad already in place to gain promotion.. That will due to FFP rules make promotion harder,
Do you really think we are going to retain all of those STH ? Saturdays game was a six pointer, I think there was about 25000 there! Then what happens? Do we sell players to break even?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Penny's finally dropped then[/p][/quote]I think it was more the case that Garcia has been restricted in signing anyone. Obika is just not good enough and the club have been wasting his time and theirs (let alone the money). Having said it ages ago, we need to set our sights higher and sign some quality. There is no point waiting for CMS and Hoskins. CMS now has another injury and it will be a long road back for both of them, considering their injuries. They can't be expected to fire on all cylinders straight away. We should have invested last window, then we would have more poInts than we have now. UTA[/p][/quote]Yes perhaps Obika will turn out not to be what we want or need but you have to consider our circumstances at the time of his loan starting, we were in trouble. When you talk of signing some, 'quality,' you also have to talk about the costs in doing so. We could try to buy for instant success, do a QPR or a Forest, or we could use Oscar's talents and allow him time to develop a younger squad. I am not in need of instant success for Brighton, I can wait and enjoy the process of watching as we build. When I watch Liverpool play on TV I get more of a buzz from seeing what Sterling can do than what Gerrad does, it won't be long before we have our own Raheem Sterling. I wonder, what will it feel like to watch a 23-25 yearold playing like Upson when wearing the stripes, or having a young defender who can do what what other young defenders currently do in the prem divison today. Foe me it's true to say that tomorrow is more exciting than today, but that excitement stems from what I think will be due to our new facility rather than how big the cheques are that we can write today.[/p][/quote]But Vegas your not shelling out £50 plus for a home game, 23,500 have pledged there money a year in advance, I don't want to watch poor quality players because that's what our budget is... We pay premiership money , we want decent players, I don't want to spend silly money, but Burke and barber are certain wages will come down? Let's say we don't go up, the three clubs coming down will have finance and the squad already in place to gain promotion.. That will due to FFP rules make promotion harder, Do you really think we are going to retain all of those STH ? Saturdays game was a six pointer, I think there was about 25000 there! Then what happens? Do we sell players to break even? mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

5:21pm Mon 24 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?
Well Arnie the article says we are looking for a player to help out Leo ? Clearly they don't think the lethal one is up to the job, having seen him play in flesh and blood, he is a donkey.
And just how many minutes have you judged that on?

Obika is a completely different type of player to Ulloa - not a like-for-like to play the hold-up role - so that is a straw man argument.
I tell you the player I have seen , runs with his head down with the ball, because of that he ends up in a dead end, losing the ball cheaply..
Lacks a first touch , lacks pace over 5 metres .. And dare I say it over weight.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?[/p][/quote]Well Arnie the article says we are looking for a player to help out Leo ? Clearly they don't think the lethal one is up to the job, having seen him play in flesh and blood, he is a donkey.[/p][/quote]And just how many minutes have you judged that on? Obika is a completely different type of player to Ulloa - not a like-for-like to play the hold-up role - so that is a straw man argument.[/p][/quote]I tell you the player I have seen , runs with his head down with the ball, because of that he ends up in a dead end, losing the ball cheaply.. Lacks a first touch , lacks pace over 5 metres .. And dare I say it over weight. mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

5:22pm Mon 24 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

Hovite wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?
Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.
None of us has any idea how Rodriguez will turn out, it's far too early to make a valid judgement, and the same goes for Obika. Just how many minutes has Obika had, and how many of those were from a starting position. If watching a player for an hour or two, hours fractured into segments from the bench, can be made by some on here, then maybe they need to get a job in football, become a coach or manager because they are clearly better at evaluating players than anyone else doing the job at any club right now.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?[/p][/quote]Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.[/p][/quote]None of us has any idea how Rodriguez will turn out, it's far too early to make a valid judgement, and the same goes for Obika. Just how many minutes has Obika had, and how many of those were from a starting position. If watching a player for an hour or two, hours fractured into segments from the bench, can be made by some on here, then maybe they need to get a job in football, become a coach or manager because they are clearly better at evaluating players than anyone else doing the job at any club right now. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 6

5:22pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?
Well Arnie the article says we are looking for a player to help out Leo ? Clearly they don't think the lethal one is up to the job, having seen him play in flesh and blood, he is a donkey.
And just how many minutes have you judged that on?

Obika is a completely different type of player to Ulloa - not a like-for-like to play the hold-up role - so that is a straw man argument.
I tell you the player I have seen , runs with his head down with the ball, because of that he ends up in a dead end, losing the ball cheaply..
Lacks a first touch , lacks pace over 5 metres .. And dare I say it over weight.
And just how many minutes have you judged that on?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?[/p][/quote]Well Arnie the article says we are looking for a player to help out Leo ? Clearly they don't think the lethal one is up to the job, having seen him play in flesh and blood, he is a donkey.[/p][/quote]And just how many minutes have you judged that on? Obika is a completely different type of player to Ulloa - not a like-for-like to play the hold-up role - so that is a straw man argument.[/p][/quote]I tell you the player I have seen , runs with his head down with the ball, because of that he ends up in a dead end, losing the ball cheaply.. Lacks a first touch , lacks pace over 5 metres .. And dare I say it over weight.[/p][/quote]And just how many minutes have you judged that on? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

5:24pm Mon 24 Feb 14

FloridaSeagull says...

Just an idea - but why not bring the lad Goodwin back from loan and give him some time on the pitch. He looked very useful when I saw him play recently. We could then save the money we would spend on a loan signing and put it into the summer spending pot.
Just an idea - but why not bring the lad Goodwin back from loan and give him some time on the pitch. He looked very useful when I saw him play recently. We could then save the money we would spend on a loan signing and put it into the summer spending pot. FloridaSeagull
  • Score: 3

5:28pm Mon 24 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?
Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.
None of us has any idea how Rodriguez will turn out, it's far too early to make a valid judgement, and the same goes for Obika. Just how many minutes has Obika had, and how many of those were from a starting position. If watching a player for an hour or two, hours fractured into segments from the bench, can be made by some on here, then maybe they need to get a job in football, become a coach or manager because they are clearly better at evaluating players than anyone else doing the job at any club right now.
First touch is the key, without that your never good enough,
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?[/p][/quote]Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.[/p][/quote]None of us has any idea how Rodriguez will turn out, it's far too early to make a valid judgement, and the same goes for Obika. Just how many minutes has Obika had, and how many of those were from a starting position. If watching a player for an hour or two, hours fractured into segments from the bench, can be made by some on here, then maybe they need to get a job in football, become a coach or manager because they are clearly better at evaluating players than anyone else doing the job at any club right now.[/p][/quote]First touch is the key, without that your never good enough, mark by the sea
  • Score: -1

5:30pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Hovite wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?
Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.
Now Barnes has gone people need another player they can blame. It might as well be Obika as anyone else (I've seen people on NSC slating Rodrigues and Ulloa today). Do you remember how, just before his injury, 'fans' were turning on CMS? It was easier in the days of Belotti and Archer as they were the simplest focus (DIY) of hatred.

Still, there is always someone who will hate Dunk most of all ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?[/p][/quote]Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.[/p][/quote]Now Barnes has gone people need another player they can blame. It might as well be Obika as anyone else (I've seen people on NSC slating Rodrigues and Ulloa today). Do you remember how, just before his injury, 'fans' were turning on CMS? It was easier in the days of Belotti and Archer as they were the simplest focus (DIY) of hatred. Still, there is always someone who will hate Dunk most of all ;-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

5:32pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?
Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.
None of us has any idea how Rodriguez will turn out, it's far too early to make a valid judgement, and the same goes for Obika. Just how many minutes has Obika had, and how many of those were from a starting position. If watching a player for an hour or two, hours fractured into segments from the bench, can be made by some on here, then maybe they need to get a job in football, become a coach or manager because they are clearly better at evaluating players than anyone else doing the job at any club right now.
First touch is the key, without that your never good enough,
Loads are today saying that Ulloa has lost his touch but he's still scoring.
And there was a similar "he has no touch" bandwagon for CMS just before injury.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?[/p][/quote]Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.[/p][/quote]None of us has any idea how Rodriguez will turn out, it's far too early to make a valid judgement, and the same goes for Obika. Just how many minutes has Obika had, and how many of those were from a starting position. If watching a player for an hour or two, hours fractured into segments from the bench, can be made by some on here, then maybe they need to get a job in football, become a coach or manager because they are clearly better at evaluating players than anyone else doing the job at any club right now.[/p][/quote]First touch is the key, without that your never good enough,[/p][/quote]Loads are today saying that Ulloa has lost his touch but he's still scoring. And there was a similar "he has no touch" bandwagon for CMS just before injury. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

5:35pm Mon 24 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?
Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.
None of us has any idea how Rodriguez will turn out, it's far too early to make a valid judgement, and the same goes for Obika. Just how many minutes has Obika had, and how many of those were from a starting position. If watching a player for an hour or two, hours fractured into segments from the bench, can be made by some on here, then maybe they need to get a job in football, become a coach or manager because they are clearly better at evaluating players than anyone else doing the job at any club right now.
First touch is the key, without that your never good enough,
Loads are today saying that Ulloa has lost his touch but he's still scoring.
And there was a similar "he has no touch" bandwagon for CMS just before injury.
Leo is carrying a calf injury, so let's not judge him , we have seen his first touch before, CMS was playing in a roll which he did not like under Gus ..
I am not sure where he will play under OG next season, down a flank is ok , but not his ideal position.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?[/p][/quote]Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.[/p][/quote]None of us has any idea how Rodriguez will turn out, it's far too early to make a valid judgement, and the same goes for Obika. Just how many minutes has Obika had, and how many of those were from a starting position. If watching a player for an hour or two, hours fractured into segments from the bench, can be made by some on here, then maybe they need to get a job in football, become a coach or manager because they are clearly better at evaluating players than anyone else doing the job at any club right now.[/p][/quote]First touch is the key, without that your never good enough,[/p][/quote]Loads are today saying that Ulloa has lost his touch but he's still scoring. And there was a similar "he has no touch" bandwagon for CMS just before injury.[/p][/quote]Leo is carrying a calf injury, so let's not judge him , we have seen his first touch before, CMS was playing in a roll which he did not like under Gus .. I am not sure where he will play under OG next season, down a flank is ok , but not his ideal position. mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

5:40pm Mon 24 Feb 14

pte says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Pte.
Barber did say that, 'others,' check the forums and report back to him with anything that they feel is relevant.

It is very easy to say that this year we are building for next year, that could be said about any of our first three at the Amex, but this time I actually think it could be the case.
In Oscar we have a coach, a coach of very high calibre, who has and will continue to serve us very well. I think Oscar is less of a manager, and for me that is a good thing, he will work with Burke and Barber, they will take some of the managerial undertakings from his shoulders, but Oscar will always be the team boss in every way.
The reason why I am so pleased to have Oscar at the club, and with the current managerial set up is, Oscar is a specialist coach, his forte is bringing young players on, and that takes me back to my thinking about our building for next year and the year after that.
Oscar can use a player like Upson, any half decent manager at our level could, but the difference between other managers and coach Oscar is that he can create a future Upson by developing a youngster, and few managers in our division can say the same.
We just sold Bridcutt for a record fee, and Poyet deserves the credit for that, in Oscar we have a coach that could develop four, five or more Bridcutts, the way Ince is going what price tag will he have in two years from now, and how many more of his ilk will join us, the Bridcutt fee will be eclipsed.

A coach that has a history and a track record of success in bringing on young players is not going to be looking for guys nearing the end of their careers to sign, old dogs don't learn new tricks, they just remember old ones from days past. I am totally convinced that Oscar is the right man to work with Barber and Burke, this is a trio that will deliver. This year we have had to muddle thru, injuries have taken their toll, but we have resisted the temptation to spend for success, and I have to think that there is a plan behind resisting that temptation and that plan is about more than just the FFP. Oscar is about tomorrow.
Yes Vegas, the forums are read, whether it be Barber or one of his team. The points you make are well made regarding Oscar. The emergence of Ince and March in particular is surely down to Oscar. I'm sure we have the right man as far as coaching is concerned. I hope JFC continues to progress - I would imagine Goodwin will be another to emerge in due course.
You mention our former manager. I was leaving the Gus bus before his exit occurred but it has to be acknowledged that nearly all the significant players are from his time, even the youngsters. I did not expect Oscar in his first season to have deep knowledge of the English game as far as transfer and loans appropriate to us, were concerned. He has had to rely on Burke and Jones? I do feel they have under performed. Augustein, Lita Andrews, Obika and Rodriquez. Pretty underwhelming for me. Ward has been a great success and like you, I would like to see him here next year, with Upson again. Stephens for me is going to be a excellent signing.
Oscar has his work cut out continuing to bring the younger players through and setting up the team et. Next season, his support staff have to do better on the acquisition front.
Can you really see him staying here next season?
If last season's shambles didn't tell everyone that this is a badly run club and the recent release of Barnes with no replacement doesn't say the same, I don't know when the penny will drop with some supporters
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Pte. Barber did say that, 'others,' check the forums and report back to him with anything that they feel is relevant. It is very easy to say that this year we are building for next year, that could be said about any of our first three at the Amex, but this time I actually think it could be the case. In Oscar we have a coach, a coach of very high calibre, who has and will continue to serve us very well. I think Oscar is less of a manager, and for me that is a good thing, he will work with Burke and Barber, they will take some of the managerial undertakings from his shoulders, but Oscar will always be the team boss in every way. The reason why I am so pleased to have Oscar at the club, and with the current managerial set up is, Oscar is a specialist coach, his forte is bringing young players on, and that takes me back to my thinking about our building for next year and the year after that. Oscar can use a player like Upson, any half decent manager at our level could, but the difference between other managers and coach Oscar is that he can create a future Upson by developing a youngster, and few managers in our division can say the same. We just sold Bridcutt for a record fee, and Poyet deserves the credit for that, in Oscar we have a coach that could develop four, five or more Bridcutts, the way Ince is going what price tag will he have in two years from now, and how many more of his ilk will join us, the Bridcutt fee will be eclipsed. A coach that has a history and a track record of success in bringing on young players is not going to be looking for guys nearing the end of their careers to sign, old dogs don't learn new tricks, they just remember old ones from days past. I am totally convinced that Oscar is the right man to work with Barber and Burke, this is a trio that will deliver. This year we have had to muddle thru, injuries have taken their toll, but we have resisted the temptation to spend for success, and I have to think that there is a plan behind resisting that temptation and that plan is about more than just the FFP. Oscar is about tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Yes Vegas, the forums are read, whether it be Barber or one of his team. The points you make are well made regarding Oscar. The emergence of Ince and March in particular is surely down to Oscar. I'm sure we have the right man as far as coaching is concerned. I hope JFC continues to progress - I would imagine Goodwin will be another to emerge in due course. You mention our former manager. I was leaving the Gus bus before his exit occurred but it has to be acknowledged that nearly all the significant players are from his time, even the youngsters. I did not expect Oscar in his first season to have deep knowledge of the English game as far as transfer and loans appropriate to us, were concerned. He has had to rely on Burke and Jones? I do feel they have under performed. Augustein, Lita Andrews, Obika and Rodriquez. Pretty underwhelming for me. Ward has been a great success and like you, I would like to see him here next year, with Upson again. Stephens for me is going to be a excellent signing. Oscar has his work cut out continuing to bring the younger players through and setting up the team et. Next season, his support staff have to do better on the acquisition front.[/p][/quote]Can you really see him staying here next season? If last season's shambles didn't tell everyone that this is a badly run club and the recent release of Barnes with no replacement doesn't say the same, I don't know when the penny will drop with some supporters pte
  • Score: -6

5:41pm Mon 24 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
albion64 wrote:
college wrote:
Penny's finally dropped then
I think it was more the case that Garcia has been restricted in signing anyone. Obika is just not good enough and the club have been wasting his time and theirs (let alone the money). Having said it ages ago, we need to set our sights higher and sign some quality.

There is no point waiting for CMS and Hoskins. CMS now has another injury and it will be a long road back for both of them, considering their injuries. They can't be expected to fire on all cylinders straight away. We should have invested last window, then we would have more poInts than we have now. UTA
Yes perhaps Obika will turn out not to be what we want or need but you have to consider our circumstances at the time of his loan starting, we were in trouble. When you talk of signing some, 'quality,' you also have to talk about the costs in doing so. We could try to buy for instant success, do a QPR or a Forest, or we could use Oscar's talents and allow him time to develop a younger squad. I am not in need of instant success for Brighton, I can wait and enjoy the process of watching as we build. When I watch Liverpool play on TV I get more of a buzz from seeing what Sterling can do than what Gerrad does, it won't be long before we have our own Raheem Sterling. I wonder, what will it feel like to watch a 23-25 yearold playing like Upson when wearing the stripes, or having a young defender who can do what what other young defenders currently do in the prem divison today.
Foe me it's true to say that tomorrow is more exciting than today, but that excitement stems from what I think will be due to our new facility rather than how big the cheques are that we can write today.
But Vegas your not shelling out £50 plus for a home game, 23,500 have pledged there money a year in advance, I don't want to watch poor quality players because that's what our budget is...
We pay premiership money , we want decent players, I don't want to spend silly money, but Burke and barber are certain wages will come down?
Let's say we don't go up, the three clubs coming down will have finance and the squad already in place to gain promotion.. That will due to FFP rules make promotion harder,
Do you really think we are going to retain all of those STH ? Saturdays game was a six pointer, I think there was about 25000 there! Then what happens? Do we sell players to break even?
Mark yu are right, I am not paying what you pay, how can I, but that changes nothing in my thinking because if I were there in the UK I would pay what you pay, indeed I do when back home visiting.
Mark you have a choice, pay or don't pay, no one os holding a gun to your head. If, as is possible, some who think as you do don't renew their season ticket for next season, those people will return as non season ticket holders as soon as we start winning next year, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Supporting a club is not like going to the movies where you can choose only the best films to watch, with football you don't know what you eill get, with a movie you do.
The retained and let go lists will be the pointers for next year, and the early signings will do the same, there will be plenty of time for people to make their minds up regarding season ticket renewals.
My advice to you would be don't buy a season ticket, your requirement of instant success is not going to happen, you would be better witing to see how our season kicks off, maybe give it a dozen matches before you decide to spend any money at the gate. To the others, I would say, get your tickets, be ready for something new because I honestly think something new is on the horizon with Oscar at the helm.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Penny's finally dropped then[/p][/quote]I think it was more the case that Garcia has been restricted in signing anyone. Obika is just not good enough and the club have been wasting his time and theirs (let alone the money). Having said it ages ago, we need to set our sights higher and sign some quality. There is no point waiting for CMS and Hoskins. CMS now has another injury and it will be a long road back for both of them, considering their injuries. They can't be expected to fire on all cylinders straight away. We should have invested last window, then we would have more poInts than we have now. UTA[/p][/quote]Yes perhaps Obika will turn out not to be what we want or need but you have to consider our circumstances at the time of his loan starting, we were in trouble. When you talk of signing some, 'quality,' you also have to talk about the costs in doing so. We could try to buy for instant success, do a QPR or a Forest, or we could use Oscar's talents and allow him time to develop a younger squad. I am not in need of instant success for Brighton, I can wait and enjoy the process of watching as we build. When I watch Liverpool play on TV I get more of a buzz from seeing what Sterling can do than what Gerrad does, it won't be long before we have our own Raheem Sterling. I wonder, what will it feel like to watch a 23-25 yearold playing like Upson when wearing the stripes, or having a young defender who can do what what other young defenders currently do in the prem divison today. Foe me it's true to say that tomorrow is more exciting than today, but that excitement stems from what I think will be due to our new facility rather than how big the cheques are that we can write today.[/p][/quote]But Vegas your not shelling out £50 plus for a home game, 23,500 have pledged there money a year in advance, I don't want to watch poor quality players because that's what our budget is... We pay premiership money , we want decent players, I don't want to spend silly money, but Burke and barber are certain wages will come down? Let's say we don't go up, the three clubs coming down will have finance and the squad already in place to gain promotion.. That will due to FFP rules make promotion harder, Do you really think we are going to retain all of those STH ? Saturdays game was a six pointer, I think there was about 25000 there! Then what happens? Do we sell players to break even?[/p][/quote]Mark yu are right, I am not paying what you pay, how can I, but that changes nothing in my thinking because if I were there in the UK I would pay what you pay, indeed I do when back home visiting. Mark you have a choice, pay or don't pay, no one os holding a gun to your head. If, as is possible, some who think as you do don't renew their season ticket for next season, those people will return as non season ticket holders as soon as we start winning next year, and there is nothing wrong with that. Supporting a club is not like going to the movies where you can choose only the best films to watch, with football you don't know what you eill get, with a movie you do. The retained and let go lists will be the pointers for next year, and the early signings will do the same, there will be plenty of time for people to make their minds up regarding season ticket renewals. My advice to you would be don't buy a season ticket, your requirement of instant success is not going to happen, you would be better witing to see how our season kicks off, maybe give it a dozen matches before you decide to spend any money at the gate. To the others, I would say, get your tickets, be ready for something new because I honestly think something new is on the horizon with Oscar at the helm. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

5:43pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

I indeed will not judge Ulloa, but then I'm not going to rush in judging Okiba either.
I indeed will not judge Ulloa, but then I'm not going to rush in judging Okiba either. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

5:45pm Mon 24 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

pte wrote:
wiseman of hove wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Pte.
Barber did say that, 'others,' check the forums and report back to him with anything that they feel is relevant.

It is very easy to say that this year we are building for next year, that could be said about any of our first three at the Amex, but this time I actually think it could be the case.
In Oscar we have a coach, a coach of very high calibre, who has and will continue to serve us very well. I think Oscar is less of a manager, and for me that is a good thing, he will work with Burke and Barber, they will take some of the managerial undertakings from his shoulders, but Oscar will always be the team boss in every way.
The reason why I am so pleased to have Oscar at the club, and with the current managerial set up is, Oscar is a specialist coach, his forte is bringing young players on, and that takes me back to my thinking about our building for next year and the year after that.
Oscar can use a player like Upson, any half decent manager at our level could, but the difference between other managers and coach Oscar is that he can create a future Upson by developing a youngster, and few managers in our division can say the same.
We just sold Bridcutt for a record fee, and Poyet deserves the credit for that, in Oscar we have a coach that could develop four, five or more Bridcutts, the way Ince is going what price tag will he have in two years from now, and how many more of his ilk will join us, the Bridcutt fee will be eclipsed.

A coach that has a history and a track record of success in bringing on young players is not going to be looking for guys nearing the end of their careers to sign, old dogs don't learn new tricks, they just remember old ones from days past. I am totally convinced that Oscar is the right man to work with Barber and Burke, this is a trio that will deliver. This year we have had to muddle thru, injuries have taken their toll, but we have resisted the temptation to spend for success, and I have to think that there is a plan behind resisting that temptation and that plan is about more than just the FFP. Oscar is about tomorrow.
Yes Vegas, the forums are read, whether it be Barber or one of his team. The points you make are well made regarding Oscar. The emergence of Ince and March in particular is surely down to Oscar. I'm sure we have the right man as far as coaching is concerned. I hope JFC continues to progress - I would imagine Goodwin will be another to emerge in due course.
You mention our former manager. I was leaving the Gus bus before his exit occurred but it has to be acknowledged that nearly all the significant players are from his time, even the youngsters. I did not expect Oscar in his first season to have deep knowledge of the English game as far as transfer and loans appropriate to us, were concerned. He has had to rely on Burke and Jones? I do feel they have under performed. Augustein, Lita Andrews, Obika and Rodriquez. Pretty underwhelming for me. Ward has been a great success and like you, I would like to see him here next year, with Upson again. Stephens for me is going to be a excellent signing.
Oscar has his work cut out continuing to bring the younger players through and setting up the team et. Next season, his support staff have to do better on the acquisition front.
Can you really see him staying here next season?
If last season's shambles didn't tell everyone that this is a badly run club and the recent release of Barnes with no replacement doesn't say the same, I don't know when the penny will drop with some supporters
see who staying next season?
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Pte. Barber did say that, 'others,' check the forums and report back to him with anything that they feel is relevant. It is very easy to say that this year we are building for next year, that could be said about any of our first three at the Amex, but this time I actually think it could be the case. In Oscar we have a coach, a coach of very high calibre, who has and will continue to serve us very well. I think Oscar is less of a manager, and for me that is a good thing, he will work with Burke and Barber, they will take some of the managerial undertakings from his shoulders, but Oscar will always be the team boss in every way. The reason why I am so pleased to have Oscar at the club, and with the current managerial set up is, Oscar is a specialist coach, his forte is bringing young players on, and that takes me back to my thinking about our building for next year and the year after that. Oscar can use a player like Upson, any half decent manager at our level could, but the difference between other managers and coach Oscar is that he can create a future Upson by developing a youngster, and few managers in our division can say the same. We just sold Bridcutt for a record fee, and Poyet deserves the credit for that, in Oscar we have a coach that could develop four, five or more Bridcutts, the way Ince is going what price tag will he have in two years from now, and how many more of his ilk will join us, the Bridcutt fee will be eclipsed. A coach that has a history and a track record of success in bringing on young players is not going to be looking for guys nearing the end of their careers to sign, old dogs don't learn new tricks, they just remember old ones from days past. I am totally convinced that Oscar is the right man to work with Barber and Burke, this is a trio that will deliver. This year we have had to muddle thru, injuries have taken their toll, but we have resisted the temptation to spend for success, and I have to think that there is a plan behind resisting that temptation and that plan is about more than just the FFP. Oscar is about tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Yes Vegas, the forums are read, whether it be Barber or one of his team. The points you make are well made regarding Oscar. The emergence of Ince and March in particular is surely down to Oscar. I'm sure we have the right man as far as coaching is concerned. I hope JFC continues to progress - I would imagine Goodwin will be another to emerge in due course. You mention our former manager. I was leaving the Gus bus before his exit occurred but it has to be acknowledged that nearly all the significant players are from his time, even the youngsters. I did not expect Oscar in his first season to have deep knowledge of the English game as far as transfer and loans appropriate to us, were concerned. He has had to rely on Burke and Jones? I do feel they have under performed. Augustein, Lita Andrews, Obika and Rodriquez. Pretty underwhelming for me. Ward has been a great success and like you, I would like to see him here next year, with Upson again. Stephens for me is going to be a excellent signing. Oscar has his work cut out continuing to bring the younger players through and setting up the team et. Next season, his support staff have to do better on the acquisition front.[/p][/quote]Can you really see him staying here next season? If last season's shambles didn't tell everyone that this is a badly run club and the recent release of Barnes with no replacement doesn't say the same, I don't know when the penny will drop with some supporters[/p][/quote]see who staying next season? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

5:53pm Mon 24 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
albion64 wrote:
college wrote:
Penny's finally dropped then
I think it was more the case that Garcia has been restricted in signing anyone. Obika is just not good enough and the club have been wasting his time and theirs (let alone the money). Having said it ages ago, we need to set our sights higher and sign some quality.

There is no point waiting for CMS and Hoskins. CMS now has another injury and it will be a long road back for both of them, considering their injuries. They can't be expected to fire on all cylinders straight away. We should have invested last window, then we would have more poInts than we have now. UTA
Yes perhaps Obika will turn out not to be what we want or need but you have to consider our circumstances at the time of his loan starting, we were in trouble. When you talk of signing some, 'quality,' you also have to talk about the costs in doing so. We could try to buy for instant success, do a QPR or a Forest, or we could use Oscar's talents and allow him time to develop a younger squad. I am not in need of instant success for Brighton, I can wait and enjoy the process of watching as we build. When I watch Liverpool play on TV I get more of a buzz from seeing what Sterling can do than what Gerrad does, it won't be long before we have our own Raheem Sterling. I wonder, what will it feel like to watch a 23-25 yearold playing like Upson when wearing the stripes, or having a young defender who can do what what other young defenders currently do in the prem divison today.
Foe me it's true to say that tomorrow is more exciting than today, but that excitement stems from what I think will be due to our new facility rather than how big the cheques are that we can write today.
But Vegas your not shelling out £50 plus for a home game, 23,500 have pledged there money a year in advance, I don't want to watch poor quality players because that's what our budget is...
We pay premiership money , we want decent players, I don't want to spend silly money, but Burke and barber are certain wages will come down?
Let's say we don't go up, the three clubs coming down will have finance and the squad already in place to gain promotion.. That will due to FFP rules make promotion harder,
Do you really think we are going to retain all of those STH ? Saturdays game was a six pointer, I think there was about 25000 there! Then what happens? Do we sell players to break even?
Mark yu are right, I am not paying what you pay, how can I, but that changes nothing in my thinking because if I were there in the UK I would pay what you pay, indeed I do when back home visiting.
Mark you have a choice, pay or don't pay, no one os holding a gun to your head. If, as is possible, some who think as you do don't renew their season ticket for next season, those people will return as non season ticket holders as soon as we start winning next year, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Supporting a club is not like going to the movies where you can choose only the best films to watch, with football you don't know what you eill get, with a movie you do.
The retained and let go lists will be the pointers for next year, and the early signings will do the same, there will be plenty of time for people to make their minds up regarding season ticket renewals.
My advice to you would be don't buy a season ticket, your requirement of instant success is not going to happen, you would be better witing to see how our season kicks off, maybe give it a dozen matches before you decide to spend any money at the gate. To the others, I would say, get your tickets, be ready for something new because I honestly think something new is on the horizon with Oscar at the helm.
I am not after instant success, I watched my first game in 1970, drove to gilligham , watched the worst football I can ever remember at the withdean, and now in the promised land! I love every game , whilst I come over as someone who sees problems , I love the Amex when it's rocking the home game against palace last year my best ever Amex experience,, and that's what it is, .. Imagine the stadium half empty? The whole day would be flat,
We can't miss this chance to forge our way into the premiership...
In the next 18 months we will have to rebuild our defence , I can see Leo going in the summer.. I will buy my ticket , but two people I know are not.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Penny's finally dropped then[/p][/quote]I think it was more the case that Garcia has been restricted in signing anyone. Obika is just not good enough and the club have been wasting his time and theirs (let alone the money). Having said it ages ago, we need to set our sights higher and sign some quality. There is no point waiting for CMS and Hoskins. CMS now has another injury and it will be a long road back for both of them, considering their injuries. They can't be expected to fire on all cylinders straight away. We should have invested last window, then we would have more poInts than we have now. UTA[/p][/quote]Yes perhaps Obika will turn out not to be what we want or need but you have to consider our circumstances at the time of his loan starting, we were in trouble. When you talk of signing some, 'quality,' you also have to talk about the costs in doing so. We could try to buy for instant success, do a QPR or a Forest, or we could use Oscar's talents and allow him time to develop a younger squad. I am not in need of instant success for Brighton, I can wait and enjoy the process of watching as we build. When I watch Liverpool play on TV I get more of a buzz from seeing what Sterling can do than what Gerrad does, it won't be long before we have our own Raheem Sterling. I wonder, what will it feel like to watch a 23-25 yearold playing like Upson when wearing the stripes, or having a young defender who can do what what other young defenders currently do in the prem divison today. Foe me it's true to say that tomorrow is more exciting than today, but that excitement stems from what I think will be due to our new facility rather than how big the cheques are that we can write today.[/p][/quote]But Vegas your not shelling out £50 plus for a home game, 23,500 have pledged there money a year in advance, I don't want to watch poor quality players because that's what our budget is... We pay premiership money , we want decent players, I don't want to spend silly money, but Burke and barber are certain wages will come down? Let's say we don't go up, the three clubs coming down will have finance and the squad already in place to gain promotion.. That will due to FFP rules make promotion harder, Do you really think we are going to retain all of those STH ? Saturdays game was a six pointer, I think there was about 25000 there! Then what happens? Do we sell players to break even?[/p][/quote]Mark yu are right, I am not paying what you pay, how can I, but that changes nothing in my thinking because if I were there in the UK I would pay what you pay, indeed I do when back home visiting. Mark you have a choice, pay or don't pay, no one os holding a gun to your head. If, as is possible, some who think as you do don't renew their season ticket for next season, those people will return as non season ticket holders as soon as we start winning next year, and there is nothing wrong with that. Supporting a club is not like going to the movies where you can choose only the best films to watch, with football you don't know what you eill get, with a movie you do. The retained and let go lists will be the pointers for next year, and the early signings will do the same, there will be plenty of time for people to make their minds up regarding season ticket renewals. My advice to you would be don't buy a season ticket, your requirement of instant success is not going to happen, you would be better witing to see how our season kicks off, maybe give it a dozen matches before you decide to spend any money at the gate. To the others, I would say, get your tickets, be ready for something new because I honestly think something new is on the horizon with Oscar at the helm.[/p][/quote]I am not after instant success, I watched my first game in 1970, drove to gilligham , watched the worst football I can ever remember at the withdean, and now in the promised land! I love every game , whilst I come over as someone who sees problems , I love the Amex when it's rocking the home game against palace last year my best ever Amex experience,, and that's what it is, .. Imagine the stadium half empty? The whole day would be flat, We can't miss this chance to forge our way into the premiership... In the next 18 months we will have to rebuild our defence , I can see Leo going in the summer.. I will buy my ticket , but two people I know are not. mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

5:55pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Howie2 says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
You've only got to see Oscar's post Wigan press conference and his veiled comments, body language and general demeanor to see he's fed up with the Burke system of choosing players.

It's so obvious to most supporters that there is a problem in that part of our club I'm sure Tony Bloom will address it soon. If not, I can see us having to look for another new manager soon.

Just look back and see when everything changed with Gus Poyet. It was when Burke was appointed. Oscar has too much experience working with a properly run club at Barcelona to put up with this for too long.
Has Burke ever been responsible for signing any decent player ? I also question the ability of Mervyn Day and our 20+ scouts who also cannot find any player worth having.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: You've only got to see Oscar's post Wigan press conference and his veiled comments, body language and general demeanor to see he's fed up with the Burke system of choosing players. It's so obvious to most supporters that there is a problem in that part of our club I'm sure Tony Bloom will address it soon. If not, I can see us having to look for another new manager soon. Just look back and see when everything changed with Gus Poyet. It was when Burke was appointed. Oscar has too much experience working with a properly run club at Barcelona to put up with this for too long.[/p][/quote]Has Burke ever been responsible for signing any decent player ? I also question the ability of Mervyn Day and our 20+ scouts who also cannot find any player worth having. Howie2
  • Score: 1

5:55pm Mon 24 Feb 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
You've only got to see Oscar's post Wigan press conference and his veiled comments, body language and general demeanor to see he's fed up with the Burke system of choosing players.

It's so obvious to most supporters that there is a problem in that part of our club I'm sure Tony Bloom will address it soon. If not, I can see us having to look for another new manager soon.

Just look back and see when everything changed with Gus Poyet. It was when Burke was appointed. Oscar has too much experience working with a properly run club at Barcelona to put up with this for too long.
Would that be the Barcelona where they have a head coach and 'director of football'? So, not so very different then.
You're right they do. However the credentials of the Director of Football are slightly different and the way the club is run - based on there being a very close relationship between the two positions. No comparison I'm afraid.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: You've only got to see Oscar's post Wigan press conference and his veiled comments, body language and general demeanor to see he's fed up with the Burke system of choosing players. It's so obvious to most supporters that there is a problem in that part of our club I'm sure Tony Bloom will address it soon. If not, I can see us having to look for another new manager soon. Just look back and see when everything changed with Gus Poyet. It was when Burke was appointed. Oscar has too much experience working with a properly run club at Barcelona to put up with this for too long.[/p][/quote]Would that be the Barcelona where they have a head coach and 'director of football'? So, not so very different then.[/p][/quote]You're right they do. However the credentials of the Director of Football are slightly different and the way the club is run - based on there being a very close relationship between the two positions. No comparison I'm afraid. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 1

5:59pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Mancgulled says...

I repeat in the vain hope that the management peruse this forum occasionally -- Beccio!

..... still disregarded for Wolfswinkel, Hooper and all the other crap strikers Norwich have.......
I repeat in the vain hope that the management peruse this forum occasionally -- Beccio! ..... still disregarded for Wolfswinkel, Hooper and all the other crap strikers Norwich have....... Mancgulled
  • Score: 3

6:00pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
You've only got to see Oscar's post Wigan press conference and his veiled comments, body language and general demeanor to see he's fed up with the Burke system of choosing players.

It's so obvious to most supporters that there is a problem in that part of our club I'm sure Tony Bloom will address it soon. If not, I can see us having to look for another new manager soon.

Just look back and see when everything changed with Gus Poyet. It was when Burke was appointed. Oscar has too much experience working with a properly run club at Barcelona to put up with this for too long.
Would that be the Barcelona where they have a head coach and 'director of football'? So, not so very different then.
You're right they do. However the credentials of the Director of Football are slightly different and the way the club is run - based on there being a very close relationship between the two positions. No comparison I'm afraid.
Considering you know just as little about how each pair works they are as close to being the same as to be indistinguishable.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: You've only got to see Oscar's post Wigan press conference and his veiled comments, body language and general demeanor to see he's fed up with the Burke system of choosing players. It's so obvious to most supporters that there is a problem in that part of our club I'm sure Tony Bloom will address it soon. If not, I can see us having to look for another new manager soon. Just look back and see when everything changed with Gus Poyet. It was when Burke was appointed. Oscar has too much experience working with a properly run club at Barcelona to put up with this for too long.[/p][/quote]Would that be the Barcelona where they have a head coach and 'director of football'? So, not so very different then.[/p][/quote]You're right they do. However the credentials of the Director of Football are slightly different and the way the club is run - based on there being a very close relationship between the two positions. No comparison I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]Considering you know just as little about how each pair works they are as close to being the same as to be indistinguishable. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

6:10pm Mon 24 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

Mark maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying, perhaps we can clear that up.
Do you think that the club is doing the right thing by ensuring that we are FFP comliant, even if that means not making any marquee signings in the last two windows?
Do you agree with Oscar's apparent policy of playing the young players rather than looking to the board to provide money for new?
'If,' Oscar brought in younger, but maybe not well known players next season, but with an eye for the following season, would you consider that a wrong policy?
If, in reality, our new facility were to take two or three years to really produce players that can start matches, and with FFP in mind, would you prefer that we buy older players to hold the fort during those years.?
Do you think that Brighton can make a successful run for promotion without spending big?
Would the next two or three seasons that saw us finish in the top 8, after maybe flirting with a top six spot, much as this year really, would that be a problem for you, considering that during that time new young players will be trying to force their way into the starting eleven?
Mark maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying, perhaps we can clear that up. Do you think that the club is doing the right thing by ensuring that we are FFP comliant, even if that means not making any marquee signings in the last two windows? Do you agree with Oscar's apparent policy of playing the young players rather than looking to the board to provide money for new? 'If,' Oscar brought in younger, but maybe not well known players next season, but with an eye for the following season, would you consider that a wrong policy? If, in reality, our new facility were to take two or three years to really produce players that can start matches, and with FFP in mind, would you prefer that we buy older players to hold the fort during those years.? Do you think that Brighton can make a successful run for promotion without spending big? Would the next two or three seasons that saw us finish in the top 8, after maybe flirting with a top six spot, much as this year really, would that be a problem for you, considering that during that time new young players will be trying to force their way into the starting eleven? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

6:15pm Mon 24 Feb 14

sussexram40 says...

Lita?
Lita? sussexram40
  • Score: -1

6:16pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Alfie T says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?
Well Arnie the article says we are looking for a player to help out Leo ? Clearly they don't think the lethal one is up to the job, having seen him play in flesh and blood, he is a donkey.
And just how many minutes have you judged that on?

Obika is a completely different type of player to Ulloa - not a like-for-like to play the hold-up role - so that is a straw man argument.
I tell you the player I have seen , runs with his head down with the ball, because of that he ends up in a dead end, losing the ball cheaply..
Lacks a first touch , lacks pace over 5 metres .. And dare I say it over weight.
Agree completely, Ulloa was waiting fot a tap in Saturday,but Obika passed it to the Wigan keeper. Lita was a proven goal scorer, anyone know why it didn't work out with him?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?[/p][/quote]Well Arnie the article says we are looking for a player to help out Leo ? Clearly they don't think the lethal one is up to the job, having seen him play in flesh and blood, he is a donkey.[/p][/quote]And just how many minutes have you judged that on? Obika is a completely different type of player to Ulloa - not a like-for-like to play the hold-up role - so that is a straw man argument.[/p][/quote]I tell you the player I have seen , runs with his head down with the ball, because of that he ends up in a dead end, losing the ball cheaply.. Lacks a first touch , lacks pace over 5 metres .. And dare I say it over weight.[/p][/quote]Agree completely, Ulloa was waiting fot a tap in Saturday,but Obika passed it to the Wigan keeper. Lita was a proven goal scorer, anyone know why it didn't work out with him? Alfie T
  • Score: 2

6:16pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Hovite says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?
Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.
None of us has any idea how Rodriguez will turn out, it's far too early to make a valid judgement, and the same goes for Obika. Just how many minutes has Obika had, and how many of those were from a starting position. If watching a player for an hour or two, hours fractured into segments from the bench, can be made by some on here, then maybe they need to get a job in football, become a coach or manager because they are clearly better at evaluating players than anyone else doing the job at any club right now.
I find it all rather tiring on here Vegas, it’s the same old same old, from the same old predictable posters up to their same old doom mongering.

I am completely satisfied and content with what we are doing and it’s a pleasure watching the players and team develop under Oscar, that is what football is all about, watching history being made and being able to say we were there with them, in spirit or directly.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?[/p][/quote]Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.[/p][/quote]None of us has any idea how Rodriguez will turn out, it's far too early to make a valid judgement, and the same goes for Obika. Just how many minutes has Obika had, and how many of those were from a starting position. If watching a player for an hour or two, hours fractured into segments from the bench, can be made by some on here, then maybe they need to get a job in football, become a coach or manager because they are clearly better at evaluating players than anyone else doing the job at any club right now.[/p][/quote]I find it all rather tiring on here Vegas, it’s the same old same old, from the same old predictable posters up to their same old doom mongering. I am completely satisfied and content with what we are doing and it’s a pleasure watching the players and team develop under Oscar, that is what football is all about, watching history being made and being able to say we were there with them, in spirit or directly. Hovite
  • Score: 6

6:16pm Mon 24 Feb 14

pjwilk says...

We have been trying to bring in back up since the start of the season.Burkes ideas of strikers have been disastrous ,Oscar must find the right player without any help from anyone including Jones.
We have been trying to bring in back up since the start of the season.Burkes ideas of strikers have been disastrous ,Oscar must find the right player without any help from anyone including Jones. pjwilk
  • Score: 1

6:20pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Grendel says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Grendel wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
college wrote:
Penny's finally dropped then
Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins ..
We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out,
If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.
Decent strike rate? I make it one goal every six games.
Yes mostly in the premier league, and never gets a run of games, at this level he would score.
Maybe he would, and maybe he wouldn't. But you said he had a decent scoring rate, which he hasn't. Two different things.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Penny's finally dropped then[/p][/quote]Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins .. We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out, If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.[/p][/quote]Decent strike rate? I make it one goal every six games.[/p][/quote]Yes mostly in the premier league, and never gets a run of games, at this level he would score.[/p][/quote]Maybe he would, and maybe he wouldn't. But you said he had a decent scoring rate, which he hasn't. Two different things. Grendel
  • Score: 2

6:24pm Mon 24 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

pjwilk wrote:
We have been trying to bring in back up since the start of the season.Burkes ideas of strikers have been disastrous ,Oscar must find the right player without any help from anyone including Jones.
and given that we have been toldof 14 million is losses for this year, how would you suggest Oscar goes about that, maybe taking us 20 million in debt would work and stuff the ffp rules.
Do you not think it possible that the spending has been held back for Oscar to use come next season? Oscar has had a season to evaluate both the squad and the market, did you expect him to know all there is to know without being here for a year, what did he know before arriving.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: We have been trying to bring in back up since the start of the season.Burkes ideas of strikers have been disastrous ,Oscar must find the right player without any help from anyone including Jones.[/p][/quote]and given that we have been toldof 14 million is losses for this year, how would you suggest Oscar goes about that, maybe taking us 20 million in debt would work and stuff the ffp rules. Do you not think it possible that the spending has been held back for Oscar to use come next season? Oscar has had a season to evaluate both the squad and the market, did you expect him to know all there is to know without being here for a year, what did he know before arriving. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

6:24pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Hovite says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Hovite wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?
Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.
Now Barnes has gone people need another player they can blame. It might as well be Obika as anyone else (I've seen people on NSC slating Rodrigues and Ulloa today). Do you remember how, just before his injury, 'fans' were turning on CMS? It was easier in the days of Belotti and Archer as they were the simplest focus (DIY) of hatred.

Still, there is always someone who will hate Dunk most of all ;-)
Yep hardly worth the bother, they can moan as much as they want but they won't change anything when the only place they have a voice is on this tat comments board.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?[/p][/quote]Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.[/p][/quote]Now Barnes has gone people need another player they can blame. It might as well be Obika as anyone else (I've seen people on NSC slating Rodrigues and Ulloa today). Do you remember how, just before his injury, 'fans' were turning on CMS? It was easier in the days of Belotti and Archer as they were the simplest focus (DIY) of hatred. Still, there is always someone who will hate Dunk most of all ;-)[/p][/quote]Yep hardly worth the bother, they can moan as much as they want but they won't change anything when the only place they have a voice is on this tat comments board. Hovite
  • Score: 1

6:26pm Mon 24 Feb 14

OldGull says...

Hovite wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?
Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.
None of us has any idea how Rodriguez will turn out, it's far too early to make a valid judgement, and the same goes for Obika. Just how many minutes has Obika had, and how many of those were from a starting position. If watching a player for an hour or two, hours fractured into segments from the bench, can be made by some on here, then maybe they need to get a job in football, become a coach or manager because they are clearly better at evaluating players than anyone else doing the job at any club right now.
I find it all rather tiring on here Vegas, it’s the same old same old, from the same old predictable posters up to their same old doom mongering.

I am completely satisfied and content with what we are doing and it’s a pleasure watching the players and team develop under Oscar, that is what football is all about, watching history being made and being able to say we were there with them, in spirit or directly.
Thank god for a positive post.

One can get a distorted view on this site with so much negativity.
Thankfully it does not reflect the view of true supporters.

UTA
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?[/p][/quote]Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.[/p][/quote]None of us has any idea how Rodriguez will turn out, it's far too early to make a valid judgement, and the same goes for Obika. Just how many minutes has Obika had, and how many of those were from a starting position. If watching a player for an hour or two, hours fractured into segments from the bench, can be made by some on here, then maybe they need to get a job in football, become a coach or manager because they are clearly better at evaluating players than anyone else doing the job at any club right now.[/p][/quote]I find it all rather tiring on here Vegas, it’s the same old same old, from the same old predictable posters up to their same old doom mongering. I am completely satisfied and content with what we are doing and it’s a pleasure watching the players and team develop under Oscar, that is what football is all about, watching history being made and being able to say we were there with them, in spirit or directly.[/p][/quote]Thank god for a positive post. One can get a distorted view on this site with so much negativity. Thankfully it does not reflect the view of true supporters. UTA OldGull
  • Score: 1

6:29pm Mon 24 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying, perhaps we can clear that up.
Do you think that the club is doing the right thing by ensuring that we are FFP comliant, even if that means not making any marquee signings in the last two windows?
Do you agree with Oscar's apparent policy of playing the young players rather than looking to the board to provide money for new?
'If,' Oscar brought in younger, but maybe not well known players next season, but with an eye for the following season, would you consider that a wrong policy?
If, in reality, our new facility were to take two or three years to really produce players that can start matches, and with FFP in mind, would you prefer that we buy older players to hold the fort during those years.?
Do you think that Brighton can make a successful run for promotion without spending big?
Would the next two or three seasons that saw us finish in the top 8, after maybe flirting with a top six spot, much as this year really, would that be a problem for you, considering that during that time new young players will be trying to force their way into the starting eleven?
Gus was not the first manager to talk of the backbone of the side, but this is the real power at the club, TK GG Upson, bridcutt , ince Leo.
That is the reason we are in the top 8, where does your confidence come from this season since Gus left? Was it Andrews , kemy obika , if that is the standard of player we are looking at for next season, we will have empty seats .. The story of Barnes going has not been transparent or does it sound true, from what we know he was offered a deal in the summer and we never upped it, ( we don't know exactly what it was) but we signed him in the 1st division, Barnes did not want to go, maybe he wanted silly money , but we then offer 1m to Bournemouth for a average performer ( add this to his wages and think how much could Barnes have been paid and it's all a bit odd, we had same story with Murray, ... I fear we are about to lose half of
Our backbone.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying, perhaps we can clear that up. Do you think that the club is doing the right thing by ensuring that we are FFP comliant, even if that means not making any marquee signings in the last two windows? Do you agree with Oscar's apparent policy of playing the young players rather than looking to the board to provide money for new? 'If,' Oscar brought in younger, but maybe not well known players next season, but with an eye for the following season, would you consider that a wrong policy? If, in reality, our new facility were to take two or three years to really produce players that can start matches, and with FFP in mind, would you prefer that we buy older players to hold the fort during those years.? Do you think that Brighton can make a successful run for promotion without spending big? Would the next two or three seasons that saw us finish in the top 8, after maybe flirting with a top six spot, much as this year really, would that be a problem for you, considering that during that time new young players will be trying to force their way into the starting eleven?[/p][/quote]Gus was not the first manager to talk of the backbone of the side, but this is the real power at the club, TK GG Upson, bridcutt , ince Leo. That is the reason we are in the top 8, where does your confidence come from this season since Gus left? Was it Andrews , kemy obika , if that is the standard of player we are looking at for next season, we will have empty seats .. The story of Barnes going has not been transparent or does it sound true, from what we know he was offered a deal in the summer and we never upped it, ( we don't know exactly what it was) but we signed him in the 1st division, Barnes did not want to go, maybe he wanted silly money , but we then offer 1m to Bournemouth for a average performer ( add this to his wages and think how much could Barnes have been paid and it's all a bit odd, we had same story with Murray, ... I fear we are about to lose half of Our backbone. mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

6:33pm Mon 24 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Grendel wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Grendel wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
college wrote:
Penny's finally dropped then
Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins ..
We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out,
If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.
Decent strike rate? I make it one goal every six games.
Yes mostly in the premier league, and never gets a run of games, at this level he would score.
Maybe he would, and maybe he wouldn't. But you said he had a decent scoring rate, which he hasn't. Two different things.
It's the same with every player, cms scored for fun a division down , struggled massively when in championship, if ten managers stuck with AMEOBI then that's good enough for me
[quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Penny's finally dropped then[/p][/quote]Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins .. We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out, If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.[/p][/quote]Decent strike rate? I make it one goal every six games.[/p][/quote]Yes mostly in the premier league, and never gets a run of games, at this level he would score.[/p][/quote]Maybe he would, and maybe he wouldn't. But you said he had a decent scoring rate, which he hasn't. Two different things.[/p][/quote]It's the same with every player, cms scored for fun a division down , struggled massively when in championship, if ten managers stuck with AMEOBI then that's good enough for me mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

6:35pm Mon 24 Feb 14

pjwilk says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
We have been trying to bring in back up since the start of the season.Burkes ideas of strikers have been disastrous ,Oscar must find the right player without any help from anyone including Jones.
and given that we have been toldof 14 million is losses for this year, how would you suggest Oscar goes about that, maybe taking us 20 million in debt would work and stuff the ffp rules.
Do you not think it possible that the spending has been held back for Oscar to use come next season? Oscar has had a season to evaluate both the squad and the market, did you expect him to know all there is to know without being here for a year, what did he know before arriving.
Other clubs are doing it,does it mean they have better people in charge of finances or are they just going for promotion knowing nothing will happen or a slap on the wrist maximum and they will still be in the Premiership,do you really believe anything Burke says.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: We have been trying to bring in back up since the start of the season.Burkes ideas of strikers have been disastrous ,Oscar must find the right player without any help from anyone including Jones.[/p][/quote]and given that we have been toldof 14 million is losses for this year, how would you suggest Oscar goes about that, maybe taking us 20 million in debt would work and stuff the ffp rules. Do you not think it possible that the spending has been held back for Oscar to use come next season? Oscar has had a season to evaluate both the squad and the market, did you expect him to know all there is to know without being here for a year, what did he know before arriving.[/p][/quote]Other clubs are doing it,does it mean they have better people in charge of finances or are they just going for promotion knowing nothing will happen or a slap on the wrist maximum and they will still be in the Premiership,do you really believe anything Burke says. pjwilk
  • Score: 0

6:38pm Mon 24 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

Hovite wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?
Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.
None of us has any idea how Rodriguez will turn out, it's far too early to make a valid judgement, and the same goes for Obika. Just how many minutes has Obika had, and how many of those were from a starting position. If watching a player for an hour or two, hours fractured into segments from the bench, can be made by some on here, then maybe they need to get a job in football, become a coach or manager because they are clearly better at evaluating players than anyone else doing the job at any club right now.
I find it all rather tiring on here Vegas, it’s the same old same old, from the same old predictable posters up to their same old doom mongering.

I am completely satisfied and content with what we are doing and it’s a pleasure watching the players and team develop under Oscar, that is what football is all about, watching history being made and being able to say we were there with them, in spirit or directly.
it seems that some, when complaining about us not bringing in, 'quality,' players, are all ignoring the fact that we have been told that we are running at a 14 million loss in football operations. What would they have the club do in the light of that fact.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?[/p][/quote]Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.[/p][/quote]None of us has any idea how Rodriguez will turn out, it's far too early to make a valid judgement, and the same goes for Obika. Just how many minutes has Obika had, and how many of those were from a starting position. If watching a player for an hour or two, hours fractured into segments from the bench, can be made by some on here, then maybe they need to get a job in football, become a coach or manager because they are clearly better at evaluating players than anyone else doing the job at any club right now.[/p][/quote]I find it all rather tiring on here Vegas, it’s the same old same old, from the same old predictable posters up to their same old doom mongering. I am completely satisfied and content with what we are doing and it’s a pleasure watching the players and team develop under Oscar, that is what football is all about, watching history being made and being able to say we were there with them, in spirit or directly.[/p][/quote]it seems that some, when complaining about us not bringing in, 'quality,' players, are all ignoring the fact that we have been told that we are running at a 14 million loss in football operations. What would they have the club do in the light of that fact. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

6:38pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Grendel says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Grendel wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Grendel wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
college wrote:
Penny's finally dropped then
Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins ..
We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out,
If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.
Decent strike rate? I make it one goal every six games.
Yes mostly in the premier league, and never gets a run of games, at this level he would score.
Maybe he would, and maybe he wouldn't. But you said he had a decent scoring rate, which he hasn't. Two different things.
It's the same with every player, cms scored for fun a division down , struggled massively when in championship, if ten managers stuck with AMEOBI then that's good enough for me
Still hasn't got a good scoring rate though, has he?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Penny's finally dropped then[/p][/quote]Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins .. We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out, If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.[/p][/quote]Decent strike rate? I make it one goal every six games.[/p][/quote]Yes mostly in the premier league, and never gets a run of games, at this level he would score.[/p][/quote]Maybe he would, and maybe he wouldn't. But you said he had a decent scoring rate, which he hasn't. Two different things.[/p][/quote]It's the same with every player, cms scored for fun a division down , struggled massively when in championship, if ten managers stuck with AMEOBI then that's good enough for me[/p][/quote]Still hasn't got a good scoring rate though, has he? Grendel
  • Score: 1

6:42pm Mon 24 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying, perhaps we can clear that up.
Do you think that the club is doing the right thing by ensuring that we are FFP comliant, even if that means not making any marquee signings in the last two windows?
Do you agree with Oscar's apparent policy of playing the young players rather than looking to the board to provide money for new?
'If,' Oscar brought in younger, but maybe not well known players next season, but with an eye for the following season, would you consider that a wrong policy?
If, in reality, our new facility were to take two or three years to really produce players that can start matches, and with FFP in mind, would you prefer that we buy older players to hold the fort during those years.?
Do you think that Brighton can make a successful run for promotion without spending big?
Would the next two or three seasons that saw us finish in the top 8, after maybe flirting with a top six spot, much as this year really, would that be a problem for you, considering that during that time new young players will be trying to force their way into the starting eleven?
Gus was not the first manager to talk of the backbone of the side, but this is the real power at the club, TK GG Upson, bridcutt , ince Leo.
That is the reason we are in the top 8, where does your confidence come from this season since Gus left? Was it Andrews , kemy obika , if that is the standard of player we are looking at for next season, we will have empty seats .. The story of Barnes going has not been transparent or does it sound true, from what we know he was offered a deal in the summer and we never upped it, ( we don't know exactly what it was) but we signed him in the 1st division, Barnes did not want to go, maybe he wanted silly money , but we then offer 1m to Bournemouth for a average performer ( add this to his wages and think how much could Barnes have been paid and it's all a bit odd, we had same story with Murray, ... I fear we are about to lose half of
Our backbone.
but you address none of the questions I posed to you
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying, perhaps we can clear that up. Do you think that the club is doing the right thing by ensuring that we are FFP comliant, even if that means not making any marquee signings in the last two windows? Do you agree with Oscar's apparent policy of playing the young players rather than looking to the board to provide money for new? 'If,' Oscar brought in younger, but maybe not well known players next season, but with an eye for the following season, would you consider that a wrong policy? If, in reality, our new facility were to take two or three years to really produce players that can start matches, and with FFP in mind, would you prefer that we buy older players to hold the fort during those years.? Do you think that Brighton can make a successful run for promotion without spending big? Would the next two or three seasons that saw us finish in the top 8, after maybe flirting with a top six spot, much as this year really, would that be a problem for you, considering that during that time new young players will be trying to force their way into the starting eleven?[/p][/quote]Gus was not the first manager to talk of the backbone of the side, but this is the real power at the club, TK GG Upson, bridcutt , ince Leo. That is the reason we are in the top 8, where does your confidence come from this season since Gus left? Was it Andrews , kemy obika , if that is the standard of player we are looking at for next season, we will have empty seats .. The story of Barnes going has not been transparent or does it sound true, from what we know he was offered a deal in the summer and we never upped it, ( we don't know exactly what it was) but we signed him in the 1st division, Barnes did not want to go, maybe he wanted silly money , but we then offer 1m to Bournemouth for a average performer ( add this to his wages and think how much could Barnes have been paid and it's all a bit odd, we had same story with Murray, ... I fear we are about to lose half of Our backbone.[/p][/quote]but you address none of the questions I posed to you VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

6:48pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Conelli98 says...

We do have a very strange set up at scouting and youth level and Im wondering whether there is wrangling within the club on which way we are going to obtain players. At youth level and im talking u16 17 18s we have sussex boys that have been disregarded by Brighton, yet they have been snapped up by Chelsea, Arsenal, Villa and Southampton. Maybe Mr Bloom has to look at Head of recruitment and start asking a few questions!
We do have a very strange set up at scouting and youth level and Im wondering whether there is wrangling within the club on which way we are going to obtain players. At youth level and im talking u16 17 18s we have sussex boys that have been disregarded by Brighton, yet they have been snapped up by Chelsea, Arsenal, Villa and Southampton. Maybe Mr Bloom has to look at Head of recruitment and start asking a few questions! Conelli98
  • Score: 3

6:48pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Hovite says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?
Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.
None of us has any idea how Rodriguez will turn out, it's far too early to make a valid judgement, and the same goes for Obika. Just how many minutes has Obika had, and how many of those were from a starting position. If watching a player for an hour or two, hours fractured into segments from the bench, can be made by some on here, then maybe they need to get a job in football, become a coach or manager because they are clearly better at evaluating players than anyone else doing the job at any club right now.
I find it all rather tiring on here Vegas, it’s the same old same old, from the same old predictable posters up to their same old doom mongering.

I am completely satisfied and content with what we are doing and it’s a pleasure watching the players and team develop under Oscar, that is what football is all about, watching history being made and being able to say we were there with them, in spirit or directly.
it seems that some, when complaining about us not bringing in, 'quality,' players, are all ignoring the fact that we have been told that we are running at a 14 million loss in football operations. What would they have the club do in the light of that fact.
Common sense isn’t something you can teach someone, you either have it or you don’t, and it is pointless arguing with anyone who doesn’t have any.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?[/p][/quote]Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.[/p][/quote]None of us has any idea how Rodriguez will turn out, it's far too early to make a valid judgement, and the same goes for Obika. Just how many minutes has Obika had, and how many of those were from a starting position. If watching a player for an hour or two, hours fractured into segments from the bench, can be made by some on here, then maybe they need to get a job in football, become a coach or manager because they are clearly better at evaluating players than anyone else doing the job at any club right now.[/p][/quote]I find it all rather tiring on here Vegas, it’s the same old same old, from the same old predictable posters up to their same old doom mongering. I am completely satisfied and content with what we are doing and it’s a pleasure watching the players and team develop under Oscar, that is what football is all about, watching history being made and being able to say we were there with them, in spirit or directly.[/p][/quote]it seems that some, when complaining about us not bringing in, 'quality,' players, are all ignoring the fact that we have been told that we are running at a 14 million loss in football operations. What would they have the club do in the light of that fact.[/p][/quote]Common sense isn’t something you can teach someone, you either have it or you don’t, and it is pointless arguing with anyone who doesn’t have any. Hovite
  • Score: 1

6:50pm Mon 24 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

pjwilk wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
We have been trying to bring in back up since the start of the season.Burkes ideas of strikers have been disastrous ,Oscar must find the right player without any help from anyone including Jones.
and given that we have been toldof 14 million is losses for this year, how would you suggest Oscar goes about that, maybe taking us 20 million in debt would work and stuff the ffp rules.
Do you not think it possible that the spending has been held back for Oscar to use come next season? Oscar has had a season to evaluate both the squad and the market, did you expect him to know all there is to know without being here for a year, what did he know before arriving.
Other clubs are doing it,does it mean they have better people in charge of finances or are they just going for promotion knowing nothing will happen or a slap on the wrist maximum and they will still be in the Premiership,do you really believe anything Burke says.
So are you saying that we should have ignored the FFP rules and just spent money, is that your thinking? When I was a kid my dear old mum often said, 'just because I put my hand in the fire, it doesn't mean that you have to do the same.' Her words were telling me that if others do something stupid or dangerous I don't have to follow suit.

Think about your credit card balance and your monthly payment, right now I would hope you can cope with your payments but if you can't, are you crazy enough to continue spending just because a pal that works with you is spending more than he can replay? That is the road to bankruptcy.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: We have been trying to bring in back up since the start of the season.Burkes ideas of strikers have been disastrous ,Oscar must find the right player without any help from anyone including Jones.[/p][/quote]and given that we have been toldof 14 million is losses for this year, how would you suggest Oscar goes about that, maybe taking us 20 million in debt would work and stuff the ffp rules. Do you not think it possible that the spending has been held back for Oscar to use come next season? Oscar has had a season to evaluate both the squad and the market, did you expect him to know all there is to know without being here for a year, what did he know before arriving.[/p][/quote]Other clubs are doing it,does it mean they have better people in charge of finances or are they just going for promotion knowing nothing will happen or a slap on the wrist maximum and they will still be in the Premiership,do you really believe anything Burke says.[/p][/quote]So are you saying that we should have ignored the FFP rules and just spent money, is that your thinking? When I was a kid my dear old mum often said, 'just because I put my hand in the fire, it doesn't mean that you have to do the same.' Her words were telling me that if others do something stupid or dangerous I don't have to follow suit. Think about your credit card balance and your monthly payment, right now I would hope you can cope with your payments but if you can't, are you crazy enough to continue spending just because a pal that works with you is spending more than he can replay? That is the road to bankruptcy. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

7:02pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Dunk 2 blame says...

pjwilk wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
We have been trying to bring in back up since the start of the season.Burkes ideas of strikers have been disastrous ,Oscar must find the right player without any help from anyone including Jones.
and given that we have been toldof 14 million is losses for this year, how would you suggest Oscar goes about that, maybe taking us 20 million in debt would work and stuff the ffp rules.
Do you not think it possible that the spending has been held back for Oscar to use come next season? Oscar has had a season to evaluate both the squad and the market, did you expect him to know all there is to know without being here for a year, what did he know before arriving.
Other clubs are doing it,does it mean they have better people in charge of finances or are they just going for promotion knowing nothing will happen or a slap on the wrist maximum and they will still be in the Premiership,do you really believe anything Burke says.
They believe every single word.If the club and the Argus said night was day some of them would believe it.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: We have been trying to bring in back up since the start of the season.Burkes ideas of strikers have been disastrous ,Oscar must find the right player without any help from anyone including Jones.[/p][/quote]and given that we have been toldof 14 million is losses for this year, how would you suggest Oscar goes about that, maybe taking us 20 million in debt would work and stuff the ffp rules. Do you not think it possible that the spending has been held back for Oscar to use come next season? Oscar has had a season to evaluate both the squad and the market, did you expect him to know all there is to know without being here for a year, what did he know before arriving.[/p][/quote]Other clubs are doing it,does it mean they have better people in charge of finances or are they just going for promotion knowing nothing will happen or a slap on the wrist maximum and they will still be in the Premiership,do you really believe anything Burke says.[/p][/quote]They believe every single word.If the club and the Argus said night was day some of them would believe it. Dunk 2 blame
  • Score: -2

7:10pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Dunk 2 blame says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Grendel wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Grendel wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
college wrote:
Penny's finally dropped then
Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins ..
We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out,
If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.
Decent strike rate? I make it one goal every six games.
Yes mostly in the premier league, and never gets a run of games, at this level he would score.
Maybe he would, and maybe he wouldn't. But you said he had a decent scoring rate, which he hasn't. Two different things.
It's the same with every player, cms scored for fun a division down , struggled massively when in championship, if ten managers stuck with AMEOBI then that's good enough for me
100% correct mark.Bristol city first team is very poor,and lost 3-nil again at the weekend.The second team is just pure non-league rubbish.Even Hulls second choice is lower league rubbish.If other clubs thought Cms could score for fun in the championship they would sign him.Most clubs don't play by FFP rules.Even Bolton paid 400k for that Millwall guy,and they have debts of 168 million.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Penny's finally dropped then[/p][/quote]Exactly, when we signed Leo, there was a massive sigh from the fans as it was obvious we were missing in that department ! We at that time had Barnes and a fit cms , Hoskins .. We do seem reactive rather than pro active, mason, Maynard have both joined clubs on loan, both good enough to help out, If I could pick a player, ameboi at Newcastle , 32 years old , contract up in summer... Decent strike rate over 10 years at the toon.[/p][/quote]Decent strike rate? I make it one goal every six games.[/p][/quote]Yes mostly in the premier league, and never gets a run of games, at this level he would score.[/p][/quote]Maybe he would, and maybe he wouldn't. But you said he had a decent scoring rate, which he hasn't. Two different things.[/p][/quote]It's the same with every player, cms scored for fun a division down , struggled massively when in championship, if ten managers stuck with AMEOBI then that's good enough for me[/p][/quote]100% correct mark.Bristol city first team is very poor,and lost 3-nil again at the weekend.The second team is just pure non-league rubbish.Even Hulls second choice is lower league rubbish.If other clubs thought Cms could score for fun in the championship they would sign him.Most clubs don't play by FFP rules.Even Bolton paid 400k for that Millwall guy,and they have debts of 168 million. Dunk 2 blame
  • Score: -1

7:13pm Mon 24 Feb 14

OLDJOHNBOY says...

Mancgulled wrote:
I repeat in the vain hope that the management peruse this forum occasionally -- Beccio!

..... still disregarded for Wolfswinkel, Hooper and all the other crap strikers Norwich have.......
A man after my own heart totally agree
[quote][p][bold]Mancgulled[/bold] wrote: I repeat in the vain hope that the management peruse this forum occasionally -- Beccio! ..... still disregarded for Wolfswinkel, Hooper and all the other crap strikers Norwich have.......[/p][/quote]A man after my own heart totally agree OLDJOHNBOY
  • Score: 1

7:20pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Dunk 2 blame says...

Hovite wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?
Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.
None of us has any idea how Rodriguez will turn out, it's far too early to make a valid judgement, and the same goes for Obika. Just how many minutes has Obika had, and how many of those were from a starting position. If watching a player for an hour or two, hours fractured into segments from the bench, can be made by some on here, then maybe they need to get a job in football, become a coach or manager because they are clearly better at evaluating players than anyone else doing the job at any club right now.
I find it all rather tiring on here Vegas, it’s the same old same old, from the same old predictable posters up to their same old doom mongering.

I am completely satisfied and content with what we are doing and it’s a pleasure watching the players and team develop under Oscar, that is what football is all about, watching history being made and being able to say we were there with them, in spirit or directly.
So you really don't have your own brain then lol hahaha. Tell me Hovite does someone make you come on this site then??? If you don't like it just go away like most other people do.You are just part of a small group with nothing better to do in life.You are like a little mafia group that think they own the site.Now get a life its a football site for 28k fans,and not just Dunks friends and family.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people have completely made their minds up on Obika already. He has mostly been used as a sub and did he not score on the one occasion he actually started?[/p][/quote]Not surprised on here, it is totally predictable.[/p][/quote]None of us has any idea how Rodriguez will turn out, it's far too early to make a valid judgement, and the same goes for Obika. Just how many minutes has Obika had, and how many of those were from a starting position. If watching a player for an hour or two, hours fractured into segments from the bench, can be made by some on here, then maybe they need to get a job in football, become a coach or manager because they are clearly better at evaluating players than anyone else doing the job at any club right now.[/p][/quote]I find it all rather tiring on here Vegas, it’s the same old same old, from the same old predictable posters up to their same old doom mongering. I am completely satisfied and content with what we are doing and it’s a pleasure watching the players and team develop under Oscar, that is what football is all about, watching history being made and being able to say we were there with them, in spirit or directly.[/p][/quote]So you really don't have your own brain then lol hahaha. Tell me Hovite does someone make you come on this site then??? If you don't like it just go away like most other people do.You are just part of a small group with nothing better to do in life.You are like a little mafia group that think they own the site.Now get a life its a football site for 28k fans,and not just Dunks friends and family. Dunk 2 blame
  • Score: -1

7:22pm Mon 24 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
We have been trying to bring in back up since the start of the season.Burkes ideas of strikers have been disastrous ,Oscar must find the right player without any help from anyone including Jones.
and given that we have been toldof 14 million is losses for this year, how would you suggest Oscar goes about that, maybe taking us 20 million in debt would work and stuff the ffp rules.
Do you not think it possible that the spending has been held back for Oscar to use come next season? Oscar has had a season to evaluate both the squad and the market, did you expect him to know all there is to know without being here for a year, what did he know before arriving.
Other clubs are doing it,does it mean they have better people in charge of finances or are they just going for promotion knowing nothing will happen or a slap on the wrist maximum and they will still be in the Premiership,do you really believe anything Burke says.
So are you saying that we should have ignored the FFP rules and just spent money, is that your thinking? When I was a kid my dear old mum often said, 'just because I put my hand in the fire, it doesn't mean that you have to do the same.' Her words were telling me that if others do something stupid or dangerous I don't have to follow suit.

Think about your credit card balance and your monthly payment, right now I would hope you can cope with your payments but if you can't, are you crazy enough to continue spending just because a pal that works with you is spending more than he can replay? That is the road to bankruptcy.
There is no certainty wages or transfer fees will drop, Burke said other day there was, this two weeks after 6 of the bottom 8 in the premiership broke there transfer records.
In answer to your questions,
A solid youth policy is crucial, none of the players you name has come through the youth set up except dunk. I know a little about academy football .. I have chatted to malcolm alias , Andy Richie who coached Walcott bale and al dozen other talents. Building the academy to produce on a regular basis won't be easy or overnight, 5-7 years if things go well, but once the production starts it's a self fulfilling , ie youth players want to join because they know they have a excellent chance of success.
Yes fair play must be adhered to, however the 20,000 fans who have been found won't hang about to watch poor football.
It's barber and burkes jobs to source funding from other avenues and to keep costs down.
ALL OF THAT HAS TO BE DONE WHILE KEEPING FANS ONSIDE!
If that was easy no club would go bankrupt !
I am not saying FFP can be ignored ,
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: We have been trying to bring in back up since the start of the season.Burkes ideas of strikers have been disastrous ,Oscar must find the right player without any help from anyone including Jones.[/p][/quote]and given that we have been toldof 14 million is losses for this year, how would you suggest Oscar goes about that, maybe taking us 20 million in debt would work and stuff the ffp rules. Do you not think it possible that the spending has been held back for Oscar to use come next season? Oscar has had a season to evaluate both the squad and the market, did you expect him to know all there is to know without being here for a year, what did he know before arriving.[/p][/quote]Other clubs are doing it,does it mean they have better people in charge of finances or are they just going for promotion knowing nothing will happen or a slap on the wrist maximum and they will still be in the Premiership,do you really believe anything Burke says.[/p][/quote]So are you saying that we should have ignored the FFP rules and just spent money, is that your thinking? When I was a kid my dear old mum often said, 'just because I put my hand in the fire, it doesn't mean that you have to do the same.' Her words were telling me that if others do something stupid or dangerous I don't have to follow suit. Think about your credit card balance and your monthly payment, right now I would hope you can cope with your payments but if you can't, are you crazy enough to continue spending just because a pal that works with you is spending more than he can replay? That is the road to bankruptcy.[/p][/quote]There is no certainty wages or transfer fees will drop, Burke said other day there was, this two weeks after 6 of the bottom 8 in the premiership broke there transfer records. In answer to your questions, A solid youth policy is crucial, none of the players you name has come through the youth set up except dunk. I know a little about academy football .. I have chatted to malcolm alias , Andy Richie who coached Walcott bale and al dozen other talents. Building the academy to produce on a regular basis won't be easy or overnight, 5-7 years if things go well, but once the production starts it's a self fulfilling , ie youth players want to join because they know they have a excellent chance of success. Yes fair play must be adhered to, however the 20,000 fans who have been found won't hang about to watch poor football. It's barber and burkes jobs to source funding from other avenues and to keep costs down. ALL OF THAT HAS TO BE DONE WHILE KEEPING FANS ONSIDE! If that was easy no club would go bankrupt ! I am not saying FFP can be ignored , mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

7:29pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Dunk 2 blame says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
albion64 wrote:
college wrote:
Penny's finally dropped then
I think it was more the case that Garcia has been restricted in signing anyone. Obika is just not good enough and the club have been wasting his time and theirs (let alone the money). Having said it ages ago, we need to set our sights higher and sign some quality.

There is no point waiting for CMS and Hoskins. CMS now has another injury and it will be a long road back for both of them, considering their injuries. They can't be expected to fire on all cylinders straight away. We should have invested last window, then we would have more poInts than we have now. UTA
Yes perhaps Obika will turn out not to be what we want or need but you have to consider our circumstances at the time of his loan starting, we were in trouble. When you talk of signing some, 'quality,' you also have to talk about the costs in doing so. We could try to buy for instant success, do a QPR or a Forest, or we could use Oscar's talents and allow him time to develop a younger squad. I am not in need of instant success for Brighton, I can wait and enjoy the process of watching as we build. When I watch Liverpool play on TV I get more of a buzz from seeing what Sterling can do than what Gerrad does, it won't be long before we have our own Raheem Sterling. I wonder, what will it feel like to watch a 23-25 yearold playing like Upson when wearing the stripes, or having a young defender who can do what what other young defenders currently do in the prem divison today.
Foe me it's true to say that tomorrow is more exciting than today, but that excitement stems from what I think will be due to our new facility rather than how big the cheques are that we can write today.
But Vegas your not shelling out £50 plus for a home game, 23,500 have pledged there money a year in advance, I don't want to watch poor quality players because that's what our budget is...
We pay premiership money , we want decent players, I don't want to spend silly money, but Burke and barber are certain wages will come down?
Let's say we don't go up, the three clubs coming down will have finance and the squad already in place to gain promotion.. That will due to FFP rules make promotion harder,
Do you really think we are going to retain all of those STH ? Saturdays game was a six pointer, I think there was about 25000 there! Then what happens? Do we sell players to break even?
You have hit it on the head mark.Most of this lot don't pay to watch the club like you and me,and the other 24 thousand people.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Penny's finally dropped then[/p][/quote]I think it was more the case that Garcia has been restricted in signing anyone. Obika is just not good enough and the club have been wasting his time and theirs (let alone the money). Having said it ages ago, we need to set our sights higher and sign some quality. There is no point waiting for CMS and Hoskins. CMS now has another injury and it will be a long road back for both of them, considering their injuries. They can't be expected to fire on all cylinders straight away. We should have invested last window, then we would have more poInts than we have now. UTA[/p][/quote]Yes perhaps Obika will turn out not to be what we want or need but you have to consider our circumstances at the time of his loan starting, we were in trouble. When you talk of signing some, 'quality,' you also have to talk about the costs in doing so. We could try to buy for instant success, do a QPR or a Forest, or we could use Oscar's talents and allow him time to develop a younger squad. I am not in need of instant success for Brighton, I can wait and enjoy the process of watching as we build. When I watch Liverpool play on TV I get more of a buzz from seeing what Sterling can do than what Gerrad does, it won't be long before we have our own Raheem Sterling. I wonder, what will it feel like to watch a 23-25 yearold playing like Upson when wearing the stripes, or having a young defender who can do what what other young defenders currently do in the prem divison today. Foe me it's true to say that tomorrow is more exciting than today, but that excitement stems from what I think will be due to our new facility rather than how big the cheques are that we can write today.[/p][/quote]But Vegas your not shelling out £50 plus for a home game, 23,500 have pledged there money a year in advance, I don't want to watch poor quality players because that's what our budget is... We pay premiership money , we want decent players, I don't want to spend silly money, but Burke and barber are certain wages will come down? Let's say we don't go up, the three clubs coming down will have finance and the squad already in place to gain promotion.. That will due to FFP rules make promotion harder, Do you really think we are going to retain all of those STH ? Saturdays game was a six pointer, I think there was about 25000 there! Then what happens? Do we sell players to break even?[/p][/quote]You have hit it on the head mark.Most of this lot don't pay to watch the club like you and me,and the other 24 thousand people. Dunk 2 blame
  • Score: -1

9:45pm Mon 24 Feb 14

pte says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
pte wrote:
wiseman of hove wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Pte.
Barber did say that, 'others,' check the forums and report back to him with anything that they feel is relevant.

It is very easy to say that this year we are building for next year, that could be said about any of our first three at the Amex, but this time I actually think it could be the case.
In Oscar we have a coach, a coach of very high calibre, who has and will continue to serve us very well. I think Oscar is less of a manager, and for me that is a good thing, he will work with Burke and Barber, they will take some of the managerial undertakings from his shoulders, but Oscar will always be the team boss in every way.
The reason why I am so pleased to have Oscar at the club, and with the current managerial set up is, Oscar is a specialist coach, his forte is bringing young players on, and that takes me back to my thinking about our building for next year and the year after that.
Oscar can use a player like Upson, any half decent manager at our level could, but the difference between other managers and coach Oscar is that he can create a future Upson by developing a youngster, and few managers in our division can say the same.
We just sold Bridcutt for a record fee, and Poyet deserves the credit for that, in Oscar we have a coach that could develop four, five or more Bridcutts, the way Ince is going what price tag will he have in two years from now, and how many more of his ilk will join us, the Bridcutt fee will be eclipsed.

A coach that has a history and a track record of success in bringing on young players is not going to be looking for guys nearing the end of their careers to sign, old dogs don't learn new tricks, they just remember old ones from days past. I am totally convinced that Oscar is the right man to work with Barber and Burke, this is a trio that will deliver. This year we have had to muddle thru, injuries have taken their toll, but we have resisted the temptation to spend for success, and I have to think that there is a plan behind resisting that temptation and that plan is about more than just the FFP. Oscar is about tomorrow.
Yes Vegas, the forums are read, whether it be Barber or one of his team. The points you make are well made regarding Oscar. The emergence of Ince and March in particular is surely down to Oscar. I'm sure we have the right man as far as coaching is concerned. I hope JFC continues to progress - I would imagine Goodwin will be another to emerge in due course.
You mention our former manager. I was leaving the Gus bus before his exit occurred but it has to be acknowledged that nearly all the significant players are from his time, even the youngsters. I did not expect Oscar in his first season to have deep knowledge of the English game as far as transfer and loans appropriate to us, were concerned. He has had to rely on Burke and Jones? I do feel they have under performed. Augustein, Lita Andrews, Obika and Rodriquez. Pretty underwhelming for me. Ward has been a great success and like you, I would like to see him here next year, with Upson again. Stephens for me is going to be a excellent signing.
Oscar has his work cut out continuing to bring the younger players through and setting up the team et. Next season, his support staff have to do better on the acquisition front.
Can you really see him staying here next season?
If last season's shambles didn't tell everyone that this is a badly run club and the recent release of Barnes with no replacement doesn't say the same, I don't know when the penny will drop with some supporters
see who staying next season?
Oscar
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Pte. Barber did say that, 'others,' check the forums and report back to him with anything that they feel is relevant. It is very easy to say that this year we are building for next year, that could be said about any of our first three at the Amex, but this time I actually think it could be the case. In Oscar we have a coach, a coach of very high calibre, who has and will continue to serve us very well. I think Oscar is less of a manager, and for me that is a good thing, he will work with Burke and Barber, they will take some of the managerial undertakings from his shoulders, but Oscar will always be the team boss in every way. The reason why I am so pleased to have Oscar at the club, and with the current managerial set up is, Oscar is a specialist coach, his forte is bringing young players on, and that takes me back to my thinking about our building for next year and the year after that. Oscar can use a player like Upson, any half decent manager at our level could, but the difference between other managers and coach Oscar is that he can create a future Upson by developing a youngster, and few managers in our division can say the same. We just sold Bridcutt for a record fee, and Poyet deserves the credit for that, in Oscar we have a coach that could develop four, five or more Bridcutts, the way Ince is going what price tag will he have in two years from now, and how many more of his ilk will join us, the Bridcutt fee will be eclipsed. A coach that has a history and a track record of success in bringing on young players is not going to be looking for guys nearing the end of their careers to sign, old dogs don't learn new tricks, they just remember old ones from days past. I am totally convinced that Oscar is the right man to work with Barber and Burke, this is a trio that will deliver. This year we have had to muddle thru, injuries have taken their toll, but we have resisted the temptation to spend for success, and I have to think that there is a plan behind resisting that temptation and that plan is about more than just the FFP. Oscar is about tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Yes Vegas, the forums are read, whether it be Barber or one of his team. The points you make are well made regarding Oscar. The emergence of Ince and March in particular is surely down to Oscar. I'm sure we have the right man as far as coaching is concerned. I hope JFC continues to progress - I would imagine Goodwin will be another to emerge in due course. You mention our former manager. I was leaving the Gus bus before his exit occurred but it has to be acknowledged that nearly all the significant players are from his time, even the youngsters. I did not expect Oscar in his first season to have deep knowledge of the English game as far as transfer and loans appropriate to us, were concerned. He has had to rely on Burke and Jones? I do feel they have under performed. Augustein, Lita Andrews, Obika and Rodriquez. Pretty underwhelming for me. Ward has been a great success and like you, I would like to see him here next year, with Upson again. Stephens for me is going to be a excellent signing. Oscar has his work cut out continuing to bring the younger players through and setting up the team et. Next season, his support staff have to do better on the acquisition front.[/p][/quote]Can you really see him staying here next season? If last season's shambles didn't tell everyone that this is a badly run club and the recent release of Barnes with no replacement doesn't say the same, I don't know when the penny will drop with some supporters[/p][/quote]see who staying next season?[/p][/quote]Oscar pte
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10:40pm Mon 24 Feb 14

OldGull says...

Dunk 2 blame wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
albion64 wrote:
college wrote:
Penny's finally dropped then
I think it was more the case that Garcia has been restricted in signing anyone. Obika is just not good enough and the club have been wasting his time and theirs (let alone the money). Having said it ages ago, we need to set our sights higher and sign some quality.

There is no point waiting for CMS and Hoskins. CMS now has another injury and it will be a long road back for both of them, considering their injuries. They can't be expected to fire on all cylinders straight away. We should have invested last window, then we would have more poInts than we have now. UTA
Yes perhaps Obika will turn out not to be what we want or need but you have to consider our circumstances at the time of his loan starting, we were in trouble. When you talk of signing some, 'quality,' you also have to talk about the costs in doing so. We could try to buy for instant success, do a QPR or a Forest, or we could use Oscar's talents and allow him time to develop a younger squad. I am not in need of instant success for Brighton, I can wait and enjoy the process of watching as we build. When I watch Liverpool play on TV I get more of a buzz from seeing what Sterling can do than what Gerrad does, it won't be long before we have our own Raheem Sterling. I wonder, what will it feel like to watch a 23-25 yearold playing like Upson when wearing the stripes, or having a young defender who can do what what other young defenders currently do in the prem divison today.
Foe me it's true to say that tomorrow is more exciting than today, but that excitement stems from what I think will be due to our new facility rather than how big the cheques are that we can write today.
But Vegas your not shelling out £50 plus for a home game, 23,500 have pledged there money a year in advance, I don't want to watch poor quality players because that's what our budget is...
We pay premiership money , we want decent players, I don't want to spend silly money, but Burke and barber are certain wages will come down?
Let's say we don't go up, the three clubs coming down will have finance and the squad already in place to gain promotion.. That will due to FFP rules make promotion harder,
Do you really think we are going to retain all of those STH ? Saturdays game was a six pointer, I think there was about 25000 there! Then what happens? Do we sell players to break even?
You have hit it on the head mark.Most of this lot don't pay to watch the club like you and me,and the other 24 thousand people.
BOIL
[quote][p][bold]Dunk 2 blame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Penny's finally dropped then[/p][/quote]I think it was more the case that Garcia has been restricted in signing anyone. Obika is just not good enough and the club have been wasting his time and theirs (let alone the money). Having said it ages ago, we need to set our sights higher and sign some quality. There is no point waiting for CMS and Hoskins. CMS now has another injury and it will be a long road back for both of them, considering their injuries. They can't be expected to fire on all cylinders straight away. We should have invested last window, then we would have more poInts than we have now. UTA[/p][/quote]Yes perhaps Obika will turn out not to be what we want or need but you have to consider our circumstances at the time of his loan starting, we were in trouble. When you talk of signing some, 'quality,' you also have to talk about the costs in doing so. We could try to buy for instant success, do a QPR or a Forest, or we could use Oscar's talents and allow him time to develop a younger squad. I am not in need of instant success for Brighton, I can wait and enjoy the process of watching as we build. When I watch Liverpool play on TV I get more of a buzz from seeing what Sterling can do than what Gerrad does, it won't be long before we have our own Raheem Sterling. I wonder, what will it feel like to watch a 23-25 yearold playing like Upson when wearing the stripes, or having a young defender who can do what what other young defenders currently do in the prem divison today. Foe me it's true to say that tomorrow is more exciting than today, but that excitement stems from what I think will be due to our new facility rather than how big the cheques are that we can write today.[/p][/quote]But Vegas your not shelling out £50 plus for a home game, 23,500 have pledged there money a year in advance, I don't want to watch poor quality players because that's what our budget is... We pay premiership money , we want decent players, I don't want to spend silly money, but Burke and barber are certain wages will come down? Let's say we don't go up, the three clubs coming down will have finance and the squad already in place to gain promotion.. That will due to FFP rules make promotion harder, Do you really think we are going to retain all of those STH ? Saturdays game was a six pointer, I think there was about 25000 there! Then what happens? Do we sell players to break even?[/p][/quote]You have hit it on the head mark.Most of this lot don't pay to watch the club like you and me,and the other 24 thousand people.[/p][/quote]BOIL OldGull
  • Score: 1

12:18am Tue 25 Feb 14

pjwilk says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
We have been trying to bring in back up since the start of the season.Burkes ideas of strikers have been disastrous ,Oscar must find the right player without any help from anyone including Jones.
and given that we have been toldof 14 million is losses for this year, how would you suggest Oscar goes about that, maybe taking us 20 million in debt would work and stuff the ffp rules.
Do you not think it possible that the spending has been held back for Oscar to use come next season? Oscar has had a season to evaluate both the squad and the market, did you expect him to know all there is to know without being here for a year, what did he know before arriving.
Other clubs are doing it,does it mean they have better people in charge of finances or are they just going for promotion knowing nothing will happen or a slap on the wrist maximum and they will still be in the Premiership,do you really believe anything Burke says.
So are you saying that we should have ignored the FFP rules and just spent money, is that your thinking? When I was a kid my dear old mum often said, 'just because I put my hand in the fire, it doesn't mean that you have to do the same.' Her words were telling me that if others do something stupid or dangerous I don't have to follow suit.

Think about your credit card balance and your monthly payment, right now I would hope you can cope with your payments but if you can't, are you crazy enough to continue spending just because a pal that works with you is spending more than he can replay? That is the road to bankruptcy.
Our dept will be down to 8million next year so an odd million or two to get us into the Premier league would be an excellent investment.Burke is about saving and not spending,he could lose a lot of fans.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: We have been trying to bring in back up since the start of the season.Burkes ideas of strikers have been disastrous ,Oscar must find the right player without any help from anyone including Jones.[/p][/quote]and given that we have been toldof 14 million is losses for this year, how would you suggest Oscar goes about that, maybe taking us 20 million in debt would work and stuff the ffp rules. Do you not think it possible that the spending has been held back for Oscar to use come next season? Oscar has had a season to evaluate both the squad and the market, did you expect him to know all there is to know without being here for a year, what did he know before arriving.[/p][/quote]Other clubs are doing it,does it mean they have better people in charge of finances or are they just going for promotion knowing nothing will happen or a slap on the wrist maximum and they will still be in the Premiership,do you really believe anything Burke says.[/p][/quote]So are you saying that we should have ignored the FFP rules and just spent money, is that your thinking? When I was a kid my dear old mum often said, 'just because I put my hand in the fire, it doesn't mean that you have to do the same.' Her words were telling me that if others do something stupid or dangerous I don't have to follow suit. Think about your credit card balance and your monthly payment, right now I would hope you can cope with your payments but if you can't, are you crazy enough to continue spending just because a pal that works with you is spending more than he can replay? That is the road to bankruptcy.[/p][/quote]Our dept will be down to 8million next year so an odd million or two to get us into the Premier league would be an excellent investment.Burke is about saving and not spending,he could lose a lot of fans. pjwilk
  • Score: 0

8:52am Wed 26 Feb 14

Captain Haddock says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Pte.
Barber did say that, 'others,' check the forums and report back to him with anything that they feel is relevant.

It is very easy to say that this year we are building for next year, that could be said about any of our first three at the Amex, but this time I actually think it could be the case.
In Oscar we have a coach, a coach of very high calibre, who has and will continue to serve us very well. I think Oscar is less of a manager, and for me that is a good thing, he will work with Burke and Barber, they will take some of the managerial undertakings from his shoulders, but Oscar will always be the team boss in every way.
The reason why I am so pleased to have Oscar at the club, and with the current managerial set up is, Oscar is a specialist coach, his forte is bringing young players on, and that takes me back to my thinking about our building for next year and the year after that.
Oscar can use a player like Upson, any half decent manager at our level could, but the difference between other managers and coach Oscar is that he can create a future Upson by developing a youngster, and few managers in our division can say the same.
We just sold Bridcutt for a record fee, and Poyet deserves the credit for that, in Oscar we have a coach that could develop four, five or more Bridcutts, the way Ince is going what price tag will he have in two years from now, and how many more of his ilk will join us, the Bridcutt fee will be eclipsed.

A coach that has a history and a track record of success in bringing on young players is not going to be looking for guys nearing the end of their careers to sign, old dogs don't learn new tricks, they just remember old ones from days past. I am totally convinced that Oscar is the right man to work with Barber and Burke, this is a trio that will deliver. This year we have had to muddle thru, injuries have taken their toll, but we have resisted the temptation to spend for success, and I have to think that there is a plan behind resisting that temptation and that plan is about more than just the FFP. Oscar is about tomorrow.
Superb post. Couldn't agree more. Tony Bloom is all about long-term planning. We are just some of the way along our journey and I continue to look forward with excitement to a brighter tomorrow.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Pte. Barber did say that, 'others,' check the forums and report back to him with anything that they feel is relevant. It is very easy to say that this year we are building for next year, that could be said about any of our first three at the Amex, but this time I actually think it could be the case. In Oscar we have a coach, a coach of very high calibre, who has and will continue to serve us very well. I think Oscar is less of a manager, and for me that is a good thing, he will work with Burke and Barber, they will take some of the managerial undertakings from his shoulders, but Oscar will always be the team boss in every way. The reason why I am so pleased to have Oscar at the club, and with the current managerial set up is, Oscar is a specialist coach, his forte is bringing young players on, and that takes me back to my thinking about our building for next year and the year after that. Oscar can use a player like Upson, any half decent manager at our level could, but the difference between other managers and coach Oscar is that he can create a future Upson by developing a youngster, and few managers in our division can say the same. We just sold Bridcutt for a record fee, and Poyet deserves the credit for that, in Oscar we have a coach that could develop four, five or more Bridcutts, the way Ince is going what price tag will he have in two years from now, and how many more of his ilk will join us, the Bridcutt fee will be eclipsed. A coach that has a history and a track record of success in bringing on young players is not going to be looking for guys nearing the end of their careers to sign, old dogs don't learn new tricks, they just remember old ones from days past. I am totally convinced that Oscar is the right man to work with Barber and Burke, this is a trio that will deliver. This year we have had to muddle thru, injuries have taken their toll, but we have resisted the temptation to spend for success, and I have to think that there is a plan behind resisting that temptation and that plan is about more than just the FFP. Oscar is about tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Superb post. Couldn't agree more. Tony Bloom is all about long-term planning. We are just some of the way along our journey and I continue to look forward with excitement to a brighter tomorrow. Captain Haddock
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