Why Oscar said Hull's winner was 'clearly' offside

The Argus: Matty Fryatt (No.12) gets goalside of Stephen Ward - but was he offside? Matty Fryatt (No.12) gets goalside of Stephen Ward - but was he offside?

Oscar Garcia felt there was an offside when Hull City grabbed their FA Cup winner.

Robert Koren was credited with the decisive goal as the Tigers beat Albion 2-1 in a fifth-round replay last night.

Koren’s free-kick brushed against Stephen Ward as it deceived goalkeeper Peter Brezovan.

Ward was tracking back to cover Matty Fryatt – and Oscar argued Fryatt was offside.

The Tigers No.12 can be seen here, goalside of Ward, as the free-kick heads towards the pair of them.

Oscar said: "For me it's offside - offside clearly."

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8:41am Tue 25 Feb 14

TheWerewolf says...

I'm not bitter BUT, Kuz would have saved their first goal, their 2nd was offside, Dunk hit the bar,Spanish Dave was 1on1 and given offside when he wasn't and we had plenty of chances in the last 20mins.......Hull were not very good and we somehow lost.......there, got it off my chest now.....
I'm not bitter BUT, Kuz would have saved their first goal, their 2nd was offside, Dunk hit the bar,Spanish Dave was 1on1 and given offside when he wasn't and we had plenty of chances in the last 20mins.......Hull were not very good and we somehow lost.......there, got it off my chest now..... TheWerewolf

8:54am Tue 25 Feb 14

Quiterie says...

This is tricky one because the law relating to this kind of incident was changed at the start of the season, but it's still a grey area. Basically if Fryatt is deemed to be 'challenging' the defender he's offside, but if he's deemed to be simply running through on goal he's not offside. You can see in the picture that Fryatt has his arm across the defender, so I would agree that he's offside because he's just about 'challenging' the defender. But I can also see why the linesman didn't give it.
This is tricky one because the law relating to this kind of incident was changed at the start of the season, but it's still a grey area. Basically if Fryatt is deemed to be 'challenging' the defender he's offside, but if he's deemed to be simply running through on goal he's not offside. You can see in the picture that Fryatt has his arm across the defender, so I would agree that he's offside because he's just about 'challenging' the defender. But I can also see why the linesman didn't give it. Quiterie

9:09am Tue 25 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Quiterie wrote:
This is tricky one because the law relating to this kind of incident was changed at the start of the season, but it's still a grey area. Basically if Fryatt is deemed to be 'challenging' the defender he's offside, but if he's deemed to be simply running through on goal he's not offside. You can see in the picture that Fryatt has his arm across the defender, so I would agree that he's offside because he's just about 'challenging' the defender. But I can also see why the linesman didn't give it.
I genuinely don't wish to be rude and if people want to continue debating this one, then carry on (!) but frankly, I don't care. The overall performance didn't merit anything other than defeat and to hang a sympathy vote on a technicality is clutching at the shortest of short straws.
Q, this is not aimed at you personally, it's just a general view about the merits of this topic.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: This is tricky one because the law relating to this kind of incident was changed at the start of the season, but it's still a grey area. Basically if Fryatt is deemed to be 'challenging' the defender he's offside, but if he's deemed to be simply running through on goal he's not offside. You can see in the picture that Fryatt has his arm across the defender, so I would agree that he's offside because he's just about 'challenging' the defender. But I can also see why the linesman didn't give it.[/p][/quote]I genuinely don't wish to be rude and if people want to continue debating this one, then carry on (!) but frankly, I don't care. The overall performance didn't merit anything other than defeat and to hang a sympathy vote on a technicality is clutching at the shortest of short straws. Q, this is not aimed at you personally, it's just a general view about the merits of this topic. Albion In Staffs

9:11am Tue 25 Feb 14

WestStander17 says...

Offside. No need for Ward to challenge for the ball at all without Fryatt being there and he was in an offside position when the ball was kicked.

Football is not at the realms of Speed Skating by any means but sports don't help themselves and their own popularity when some of the rules are so blurred or even just pointless. The offside rule is probably the most obvious. It has got more and more blurred in recent times. It's there to stop someone just goal hanging but you see numerous occasions when a centre forward is in an offside position when the ball is kicked but receives it 10 yards nearer his own goal than the defenders. To make that offside, IMO, is ridiculous as he is gaining no advantage at all.

Don't get me started on foul throws!!!

Rant over.
Offside. No need for Ward to challenge for the ball at all without Fryatt being there and he was in an offside position when the ball was kicked. Football is not at the realms of Speed Skating by any means but sports don't help themselves and their own popularity when some of the rules are so blurred or even just pointless. The offside rule is probably the most obvious. It has got more and more blurred in recent times. It's there to stop someone just goal hanging but you see numerous occasions when a centre forward is in an offside position when the ball is kicked but receives it 10 yards nearer his own goal than the defenders. To make that offside, IMO, is ridiculous as he is gaining no advantage at all. Don't get me started on foul throws!!! Rant over. WestStander17

9:21am Tue 25 Feb 14

BobbyLaverick says...

With TK in goal, we would have won this. But then, with TK in goal, there would have been no need for a replay in the first place.

Both Hull goals were so embarrassing, never mind whether any offside was involved or not, and you might have been excused for thinking you were watching a Sunday park match. They highlighted the fact that Brezovan is simply not good enough for the Championship. His complete lack of command and confidence rapidly affected a defence that was already the most disjointed setup seen under OG to date.
With TK in goal, we would have won this. But then, with TK in goal, there would have been no need for a replay in the first place. Both Hull goals were so embarrassing, never mind whether any offside was involved or not, and you might have been excused for thinking you were watching a Sunday park match. They highlighted the fact that Brezovan is simply not good enough for the Championship. His complete lack of command and confidence rapidly affected a defence that was already the most disjointed setup seen under OG to date. BobbyLaverick

9:22am Tue 25 Feb 14

Clean Sheet says...

Unusual for OG to come out with this sort of comment, so clearly feeling very aggrieved. Yes, Brighton were poor in the first half, but really had a go when KLL came on. He made quite a difference. Overall there was not much between Brighton and Hull over 3 hours, and Hull is a mid table PL side. We can compete!
Unusual for OG to come out with this sort of comment, so clearly feeling very aggrieved. Yes, Brighton were poor in the first half, but really had a go when KLL came on. He made quite a difference. Overall there was not much between Brighton and Hull over 3 hours, and Hull is a mid table PL side. We can compete! Clean Sheet

9:30am Tue 25 Feb 14

Camp Nigel says...

Clean Sheet wrote:
Unusual for OG to come out with this sort of comment, so clearly feeling very aggrieved. Yes, Brighton were poor in the first half, but really had a go when KLL came on. He made quite a difference. Overall there was not much between Brighton and Hull over 3 hours, and Hull is a mid table PL side. We can compete!
Had those two hunks Jelavic and Long played then they would have destroyed us. No way would we have competed against a full strength Hull side last night.
[quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: Unusual for OG to come out with this sort of comment, so clearly feeling very aggrieved. Yes, Brighton were poor in the first half, but really had a go when KLL came on. He made quite a difference. Overall there was not much between Brighton and Hull over 3 hours, and Hull is a mid table PL side. We can compete![/p][/quote]Had those two hunks Jelavic and Long played then they would have destroyed us. No way would we have competed against a full strength Hull side last night. Camp Nigel

9:32am Tue 25 Feb 14

Camp Nigel says...

And yes, I know they were cup tied.
And yes, I know they were cup tied. Camp Nigel

9:47am Tue 25 Feb 14

russellsnr2 says...

We lost and now move on to getting into the top six. Clearly we need another quality striker, Leo Ullo is doing a great job for us up front but he looked tired at times last night but still worked his socks off.
I hope we look outside the UK again for a striker I bet there is another Leo Ullo out there somewhere and OG must have his contacts?
We lost and now move on to getting into the top six. Clearly we need another quality striker, Leo Ullo is doing a great job for us up front but he looked tired at times last night but still worked his socks off. I hope we look outside the UK again for a striker I bet there is another Leo Ullo out there somewhere and OG must have his contacts? russellsnr2

9:57am Tue 25 Feb 14

Steveg1958 says...

Clean Sheet wrote:
Unusual for OG to come out with this sort of comment, so clearly feeling very aggrieved. Yes, Brighton were poor in the first half, but really had a go when KLL came on. He made quite a difference. Overall there was not much between Brighton and Hull over 3 hours, and Hull is a mid table PL side. We can compete!
Yeah KLL made a difference, ! remind me how many times he fell over again !!!. We do not have the players to compete at PL level, and barely good enough ones in the Championship if Brezovan, Andrews and Stevens are anything to go by !!!! Rubbish signings and a cluless manager who flatly refuses to try anything different, aided and abetted by NJ. (before anyone mentions it, I know Gus signed Brezovan, bet he was falling off his sofa with laughter last night), FA Cup Qtr final, Capital One Cup Final and PL Safely, HMMMMM OG or GP who got the better deal I wonder, Sunderland Fans or US ??????????
[quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: Unusual for OG to come out with this sort of comment, so clearly feeling very aggrieved. Yes, Brighton were poor in the first half, but really had a go when KLL came on. He made quite a difference. Overall there was not much between Brighton and Hull over 3 hours, and Hull is a mid table PL side. We can compete![/p][/quote]Yeah KLL made a difference, ! remind me how many times he fell over again !!!. We do not have the players to compete at PL level, and barely good enough ones in the Championship if Brezovan, Andrews and Stevens are anything to go by !!!! Rubbish signings and a cluless manager who flatly refuses to try anything different, aided and abetted by NJ. (before anyone mentions it, I know Gus signed Brezovan, bet he was falling off his sofa with laughter last night), FA Cup Qtr final, Capital One Cup Final and PL Safely, HMMMMM OG or GP who got the better deal I wonder, Sunderland Fans or US ?????????? Steveg1958

10:02am Tue 25 Feb 14

WestStander17 says...

russellsnr2 wrote:
We lost and now move on to getting into the top six. Clearly we need another quality striker, Leo Ullo is doing a great job for us up front but he looked tired at times last night but still worked his socks off.
I hope we look outside the UK again for a striker I bet there is another Leo Ullo out there somewhere and OG must have his contacts?
We have one of the best, if not the best striker in the division. I really believe Leo would be very close to being top scorer had he not got injured. We play with one striker. So, where/when is this new striker going to play? If we got Zamora on loan, for example, he might be fairly similar in ability to Leo but how do you keep them both (mainly Leo) happy when the other is playing? Do they play a half each? Alternate games? I think Leo would be far happier playing tired than only playing half the amount and I really don't think we will get or need anyone better than Leo.

We need to either get more of the chances to fall to Leo rather than anyone else or get the others putting their chances away more. Obika and CMS when he comes back are fine for giving Leo a rest once a game is won or even to wear down a defence for Leo to come on.
[quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: We lost and now move on to getting into the top six. Clearly we need another quality striker, Leo Ullo is doing a great job for us up front but he looked tired at times last night but still worked his socks off. I hope we look outside the UK again for a striker I bet there is another Leo Ullo out there somewhere and OG must have his contacts?[/p][/quote]We have one of the best, if not the best striker in the division. I really believe Leo would be very close to being top scorer had he not got injured. We play with one striker. So, where/when is this new striker going to play? If we got Zamora on loan, for example, he might be fairly similar in ability to Leo but how do you keep them both (mainly Leo) happy when the other is playing? Do they play a half each? Alternate games? I think Leo would be far happier playing tired than only playing half the amount and I really don't think we will get or need anyone better than Leo. We need to either get more of the chances to fall to Leo rather than anyone else or get the others putting their chances away more. Obika and CMS when he comes back are fine for giving Leo a rest once a game is won or even to wear down a defence for Leo to come on. WestStander17

10:04am Tue 25 Feb 14

DuncanThickett says...

I know we're all disappointed, but at the end of the day - we got to the last 10 teams in the cup, and held a Premier League side to get a replay. I might have settled for that at the start of the season.

Now we have no distractions, just the league, and with a win at Millwall on Saturday, things will look a lot rosier.
I know we're all disappointed, but at the end of the day - we got to the last 10 teams in the cup, and held a Premier League side to get a replay. I might have settled for that at the start of the season. Now we have no distractions, just the league, and with a win at Millwall on Saturday, things will look a lot rosier. DuncanThickett

10:09am Tue 25 Feb 14

WestStander17 says...

Steveg1958 wrote:
Clean Sheet wrote:
Unusual for OG to come out with this sort of comment, so clearly feeling very aggrieved. Yes, Brighton were poor in the first half, but really had a go when KLL came on. He made quite a difference. Overall there was not much between Brighton and Hull over 3 hours, and Hull is a mid table PL side. We can compete!
Yeah KLL made a difference, ! remind me how many times he fell over again !!!. We do not have the players to compete at PL level, and barely good enough ones in the Championship if Brezovan, Andrews and Stevens are anything to go by !!!! Rubbish signings and a cluless manager who flatly refuses to try anything different, aided and abetted by NJ. (before anyone mentions it, I know Gus signed Brezovan, bet he was falling off his sofa with laughter last night), FA Cup Qtr final, Capital One Cup Final and PL Safely, HMMMMM OG or GP who got the better deal I wonder, Sunderland Fans or US ??????????
I think you will get a lot of thumbs down for that, Steve, but you are correct in that if we went up, we would need a lot of better players. However, I think that is the case with all the teams that go up. It's impossible to have a Premier League ready squad in the Championship.

I don't agree with your criticism of Oscar though. We are actually playing very well against nearly all opposition (the 1st half last night as an exception). We dominated Wigan and Hull in the 1st game. We just need to score some goals from midfield rather than rely on just the chances Leo gets.
[quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: Unusual for OG to come out with this sort of comment, so clearly feeling very aggrieved. Yes, Brighton were poor in the first half, but really had a go when KLL came on. He made quite a difference. Overall there was not much between Brighton and Hull over 3 hours, and Hull is a mid table PL side. We can compete![/p][/quote]Yeah KLL made a difference, ! remind me how many times he fell over again !!!. We do not have the players to compete at PL level, and barely good enough ones in the Championship if Brezovan, Andrews and Stevens are anything to go by !!!! Rubbish signings and a cluless manager who flatly refuses to try anything different, aided and abetted by NJ. (before anyone mentions it, I know Gus signed Brezovan, bet he was falling off his sofa with laughter last night), FA Cup Qtr final, Capital One Cup Final and PL Safely, HMMMMM OG or GP who got the better deal I wonder, Sunderland Fans or US ??????????[/p][/quote]I think you will get a lot of thumbs down for that, Steve, but you are correct in that if we went up, we would need a lot of better players. However, I think that is the case with all the teams that go up. It's impossible to have a Premier League ready squad in the Championship. I don't agree with your criticism of Oscar though. We are actually playing very well against nearly all opposition (the 1st half last night as an exception). We dominated Wigan and Hull in the 1st game. We just need to score some goals from midfield rather than rely on just the chances Leo gets. WestStander17

10:11am Tue 25 Feb 14

the taffster says...

we got what we deserved from the game.....nothing....
taxi for Oscar,dunk.andrews.l
opez/roddy.obika.bre
z. and anyone else that's on 10k a week and feels too tired to play......not up for the fight more like.....embarrassin
g first half d isplay.....
we got what we deserved from the game.....nothing.... taxi for Oscar,dunk.andrews.l opez/roddy.obika.bre z. and anyone else that's on 10k a week and feels too tired to play......not up for the fight more like.....embarrassin g first half d isplay..... the taffster

10:13am Tue 25 Feb 14

pjwilk says...

It was offside but Brez should have saved it anyway.Same tactics as Sat,two goals down when he brings on some pace,same result as Sat.Oscar will not get any Oscars for his team selections.He is not savvy enough or good enough for even the first division.
It was offside but Brez should have saved it anyway.Same tactics as Sat,two goals down when he brings on some pace,same result as Sat.Oscar will not get any Oscars for his team selections.He is not savvy enough or good enough for even the first division. pjwilk

10:16am Tue 25 Feb 14

smallie says...

That was truly one awful performance ,that goalkeepers a joke.
That was truly one awful performance ,that goalkeepers a joke. smallie

10:30am Tue 25 Feb 14

Poolegul says...

I don't normally have the opportunityt o coment but TV viewing allows me to add my sixpenneth. I agree the comment that the offside rule is rediculous - there were clearly 2 players going for the ball last night and the Hull player was initially offside. Looking at the game overall I criticise our appoach in the first half. I felt that KLL did not do that much but our approach and team impetus changed when he came on and we nearly turned it around. For me the problem was no attack down the wings and lack of drive in th first half. We do need a quality winger as well as back up for the MOM Ulloa. Even when KLL came on we crowded into the centre of the field. Final contentious point we are developing still as a club most certainly in the right direction with facilities at Lancing and so on - but we are not yet ready for the Premier League - to go up now would be detremental to our overall club plan ad I suspect our management team know this!! Patience and support are the keywords and a few years from now we could be right up there, or that is my hope as a supporter of 60 years who has seen the ups and downs!!!
I don't normally have the opportunityt o coment but TV viewing allows me to add my sixpenneth. I agree the comment that the offside rule is rediculous - there were clearly 2 players going for the ball last night and the Hull player was initially offside. Looking at the game overall I criticise our appoach in the first half. I felt that KLL did not do that much but our approach and team impetus changed when he came on and we nearly turned it around. For me the problem was no attack down the wings and lack of drive in th first half. We do need a quality winger as well as back up for the MOM Ulloa. Even when KLL came on we crowded into the centre of the field. Final contentious point we are developing still as a club most certainly in the right direction with facilities at Lancing and so on - but we are not yet ready for the Premier League - to go up now would be detremental to our overall club plan ad I suspect our management team know this!! Patience and support are the keywords and a few years from now we could be right up there, or that is my hope as a supporter of 60 years who has seen the ups and downs!!! Poolegul

10:48am Tue 25 Feb 14

seegull fly in sky says...

Plyers not noa uffside role. Osrar e not umberstand fotbawl, reed um book
Plyers not noa uffside role. Osrar e not umberstand fotbawl, reed um book seegull fly in sky

11:00am Tue 25 Feb 14

russellsnr2 says...

WestStander17 wrote:
russellsnr2 wrote:
We lost and now move on to getting into the top six. Clearly we need another quality striker, Leo Ullo is doing a great job for us up front but he looked tired at times last night but still worked his socks off.
I hope we look outside the UK again for a striker I bet there is another Leo Ullo out there somewhere and OG must have his contacts?
We have one of the best, if not the best striker in the division. I really believe Leo would be very close to being top scorer had he not got injured. We play with one striker. So, where/when is this new striker going to play? If we got Zamora on loan, for example, he might be fairly similar in ability to Leo but how do you keep them both (mainly Leo) happy when the other is playing? Do they play a half each? Alternate games? I think Leo would be far happier playing tired than only playing half the amount and I really don't think we will get or need anyone better than Leo.

We need to either get more of the chances to fall to Leo rather than anyone else or get the others putting their chances away more. Obika and CMS when he comes back are fine for giving Leo a rest once a game is won or even to wear down a defence for Leo to come on.
Hi, Yep Agree he is one of the best strikers in the division but for me he just does not seem to get the support, he looks as though he is left alone to get on with it, we get the ball to him but no one there to back him up, to me anyway it's just so frustrating to see him hold up the ball looking for some support on many occasions. We all see the game in a different way but now we need goals to get us into that top 6 and apart from Leo there just not seem anyone else putting the ball in the net regularly.
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: We lost and now move on to getting into the top six. Clearly we need another quality striker, Leo Ullo is doing a great job for us up front but he looked tired at times last night but still worked his socks off. I hope we look outside the UK again for a striker I bet there is another Leo Ullo out there somewhere and OG must have his contacts?[/p][/quote]We have one of the best, if not the best striker in the division. I really believe Leo would be very close to being top scorer had he not got injured. We play with one striker. So, where/when is this new striker going to play? If we got Zamora on loan, for example, he might be fairly similar in ability to Leo but how do you keep them both (mainly Leo) happy when the other is playing? Do they play a half each? Alternate games? I think Leo would be far happier playing tired than only playing half the amount and I really don't think we will get or need anyone better than Leo. We need to either get more of the chances to fall to Leo rather than anyone else or get the others putting their chances away more. Obika and CMS when he comes back are fine for giving Leo a rest once a game is won or even to wear down a defence for Leo to come on.[/p][/quote]Hi, Yep Agree he is one of the best strikers in the division but for me he just does not seem to get the support, he looks as though he is left alone to get on with it, we get the ball to him but no one there to back him up, to me anyway it's just so frustrating to see him hold up the ball looking for some support on many occasions. We all see the game in a different way but now we need goals to get us into that top 6 and apart from Leo there just not seem anyone else putting the ball in the net regularly. russellsnr2

11:21am Tue 25 Feb 14

Tommy11 says...

In my view, I thought were a disgrace last night. People may think I'm being OTT, but our effort in the first half was pathetic. Were clutching on straws saying we were better in the second half, granted we scored - but in reality Hull were always comfortable and we didn't look like getting that second.

I'm actually very concerned about next season - once again people are clutching on staws saying ' How is this a bad season?? - were 8th, near the play offs, blah blah'. But look, were lucky that were 8th - the top 5 are cemented where they are - and they DESERVE it, as they are better than us. All we can hang onto is that 6th place - but there are so many teams chasing for that spot - Reading, Wigan, Blackburn, Ipswich., us etc etc.....another few defeats and we can be down to 15th.. so please please can people get a reality check! We don't deserve to make the Play offs...and anyway fo we really want to?? are we ready?? god no.

As said above - Im more worried abut next season, as we could be in very serious trouble. TK will leave, MU will want a last crack somewhere, Ward will go, Buckley will be sold, Lua Lua who is hacked off beyond belief will leave on a free - KA will go, Ulloa will be sought after.. and more!!! The problem is - have you the faith in Garcia/Burke to replace these players??? I'm afraid I don't have faith in the pair of them at all.

In regards to the way we play - I am sick to death of our away displays which I find totally pathetic. I was there at Reading, QPR, Yeovil, Darby & Watford and watched the game on TV last night. In each of these games we just simply didn't go for it - the team was so defensive and we litrally bored the pants off the oppostion - I just don't what the tactic is - well i suppose just getting a draw and maybe sneaking one at the end?

OG has been slated by every low league pundit he comes into contact with - Claridge, Brown, Savage, Strachan, Clark Carlise etc etc...all saying the same thing - suggesting were not 'going for it' - its getting all a bit cringing.

Look - we have good players, and people know this. On that basis, do I think OG has done a good job? - in my view, no he hasn't. I think his tactics are all wrong, and I have no idea what they are. I think he is losing the dressing room, and I don't think the players are responding to him - just look at Lua Lua's face when he comes on - he looks so hacked off! Jones is looking more and more gormlass by the second too.

I really think the club should have a serious think at the end of the season.....something does need to change.

This is not a OTT message from a fan who 'is expecting the earth' from my club. I have been a ST at the Goldstone, Priestfield, Withdean and present - so yes, I have seen a hell lot worse! but that does not mean I should accept the situation, as I do think its been a bit of a crap & dissapointing season.
In my view, I thought were a disgrace last night. People may think I'm being OTT, but our effort in the first half was pathetic. Were clutching on straws saying we were better in the second half, granted we scored - but in reality Hull were always comfortable and we didn't look like getting that second. I'm actually very concerned about next season - once again people are clutching on staws saying ' How is this a bad season?? - were 8th, near the play offs, blah blah'. But look, were lucky that were 8th - the top 5 are cemented where they are - and they DESERVE it, as they are better than us. All we can hang onto is that 6th place - but there are so many teams chasing for that spot - Reading, Wigan, Blackburn, Ipswich., us etc etc.....another few defeats and we can be down to 15th.. so please please can people get a reality check! We don't deserve to make the Play offs...and anyway fo we really want to?? are we ready?? god no. As said above - Im more worried abut next season, as we could be in very serious trouble. TK will leave, MU will want a last crack somewhere, Ward will go, Buckley will be sold, Lua Lua who is hacked off beyond belief will leave on a free - KA will go, Ulloa will be sought after.. and more!!! The problem is - have you the faith in Garcia/Burke to replace these players??? I'm afraid I don't have faith in the pair of them at all. In regards to the way we play - I am sick to death of our away displays which I find totally pathetic. I was there at Reading, QPR, Yeovil, Darby & Watford and watched the game on TV last night. In each of these games we just simply didn't go for it - the team was so defensive and we litrally bored the pants off the oppostion - I just don't what the tactic is - well i suppose just getting a draw and maybe sneaking one at the end? OG has been slated by every low league pundit he comes into contact with - Claridge, Brown, Savage, Strachan, Clark Carlise etc etc...all saying the same thing - suggesting were not 'going for it' - its getting all a bit cringing. Look - we have good players, and people know this. On that basis, do I think OG has done a good job? - in my view, no he hasn't. I think his tactics are all wrong, and I have no idea what they are. I think he is losing the dressing room, and I don't think the players are responding to him - just look at Lua Lua's face when he comes on - he looks so hacked off! Jones is looking more and more gormlass by the second too. I really think the club should have a serious think at the end of the season.....something does need to change. This is not a OTT message from a fan who 'is expecting the earth' from my club. I have been a ST at the Goldstone, Priestfield, Withdean and present - so yes, I have seen a hell lot worse! but that does not mean I should accept the situation, as I do think its been a bit of a crap & dissapointing season. Tommy11

11:26am Tue 25 Feb 14

jaybee68 says...

WestStander17 wrote:
Steveg1958 wrote:
Clean Sheet wrote:
Unusual for OG to come out with this sort of comment, so clearly feeling very aggrieved. Yes, Brighton were poor in the first half, but really had a go when KLL came on. He made quite a difference. Overall there was not much between Brighton and Hull over 3 hours, and Hull is a mid table PL side. We can compete!
Yeah KLL made a difference, ! remind me how many times he fell over again !!!. We do not have the players to compete at PL level, and barely good enough ones in the Championship if Brezovan, Andrews and Stevens are anything to go by !!!! Rubbish signings and a cluless manager who flatly refuses to try anything different, aided and abetted by NJ. (before anyone mentions it, I know Gus signed Brezovan, bet he was falling off his sofa with laughter last night), FA Cup Qtr final, Capital One Cup Final and PL Safely, HMMMMM OG or GP who got the better deal I wonder, Sunderland Fans or US ??????????
I think you will get a lot of thumbs down for that, Steve, but you are correct in that if we went up, we would need a lot of better players. However, I think that is the case with all the teams that go up. It's impossible to have a Premier League ready squad in the Championship.

I don't agree with your criticism of Oscar though. We are actually playing very well against nearly all opposition (the 1st half last night as an exception). We dominated Wigan and Hull in the 1st game. We just need to score some goals from midfield rather than rely on just the chances Leo gets.
For me there are a few separate topics here.
The painful part is the performance from last night which was toothless, passionless and inept. Only Ward, Leo, Ince and Dunk came away with much in the way of credit, as did Solly who looks a fantastic player in the making. Andrews (who I am a fan of), Lopez (who has by the standards of last season been fairly awful throughout) and JFC were invisible. Brezovan has been noted as an accident waiting to happen.....well wait is over!!!! Rodders has always looked pretty good, but last night was woeful. And KLL is I'm afraid a one-trick pony and that trick wont work against half decent opposition. Its especially disappointing a couple of days after a great (even if losing performance) on Saturday. Had we gone to Hull and played like Saturday and still lost then I think all would be happy and proud.
I think we really lost the tie in team selection in the first match. A team that had included our best players would have won and we would be in the quarter finals with a game against Sunderland and Gus (for me, that's something to have really looked forward too as, unpopular for some I would have celebrated the opportunity to applaud Gus and Liam for what they did for the club).
I don't expect us to have a PL ready team today, and I think last night showed we are not ready this year. But somewhere the numbers don't add up..... biggest crowds in the league with amongst highest charges and very little in the way of spend for new players and a £14M loss (thank you Tony for your incredible support) is a recipe for it being even tougher next year. So what I don't understand is if we need the extra income to build for next year, why not play the best team in the first game and then be sitting pretty waiting for Gus right now.
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: Unusual for OG to come out with this sort of comment, so clearly feeling very aggrieved. Yes, Brighton were poor in the first half, but really had a go when KLL came on. He made quite a difference. Overall there was not much between Brighton and Hull over 3 hours, and Hull is a mid table PL side. We can compete![/p][/quote]Yeah KLL made a difference, ! remind me how many times he fell over again !!!. We do not have the players to compete at PL level, and barely good enough ones in the Championship if Brezovan, Andrews and Stevens are anything to go by !!!! Rubbish signings and a cluless manager who flatly refuses to try anything different, aided and abetted by NJ. (before anyone mentions it, I know Gus signed Brezovan, bet he was falling off his sofa with laughter last night), FA Cup Qtr final, Capital One Cup Final and PL Safely, HMMMMM OG or GP who got the better deal I wonder, Sunderland Fans or US ??????????[/p][/quote]I think you will get a lot of thumbs down for that, Steve, but you are correct in that if we went up, we would need a lot of better players. However, I think that is the case with all the teams that go up. It's impossible to have a Premier League ready squad in the Championship. I don't agree with your criticism of Oscar though. We are actually playing very well against nearly all opposition (the 1st half last night as an exception). We dominated Wigan and Hull in the 1st game. We just need to score some goals from midfield rather than rely on just the chances Leo gets.[/p][/quote]For me there are a few separate topics here. The painful part is the performance from last night which was toothless, passionless and inept. Only Ward, Leo, Ince and Dunk came away with much in the way of credit, as did Solly who looks a fantastic player in the making. Andrews (who I am a fan of), Lopez (who has by the standards of last season been fairly awful throughout) and JFC were invisible. Brezovan has been noted as an accident waiting to happen.....well wait is over!!!! Rodders has always looked pretty good, but last night was woeful. And KLL is I'm afraid a one-trick pony and that trick wont work against half decent opposition. Its especially disappointing a couple of days after a great (even if losing performance) on Saturday. Had we gone to Hull and played like Saturday and still lost then I think all would be happy and proud. I think we really lost the tie in team selection in the first match. A team that had included our best players would have won and we would be in the quarter finals with a game against Sunderland and Gus (for me, that's something to have really looked forward too as, unpopular for some I would have celebrated the opportunity to applaud Gus and Liam for what they did for the club). I don't expect us to have a PL ready team today, and I think last night showed we are not ready this year. But somewhere the numbers don't add up..... biggest crowds in the league with amongst highest charges and very little in the way of spend for new players and a £14M loss (thank you Tony for your incredible support) is a recipe for it being even tougher next year. So what I don't understand is if we need the extra income to build for next year, why not play the best team in the first game and then be sitting pretty waiting for Gus right now. jaybee68

11:39am Tue 25 Feb 14

wiseman of hove says...

russellsnr2 wrote:
WestStander17 wrote:
russellsnr2 wrote:
We lost and now move on to getting into the top six. Clearly we need another quality striker, Leo Ullo is doing a great job for us up front but he looked tired at times last night but still worked his socks off.
I hope we look outside the UK again for a striker I bet there is another Leo Ullo out there somewhere and OG must have his contacts?
We have one of the best, if not the best striker in the division. I really believe Leo would be very close to being top scorer had he not got injured. We play with one striker. So, where/when is this new striker going to play? If we got Zamora on loan, for example, he might be fairly similar in ability to Leo but how do you keep them both (mainly Leo) happy when the other is playing? Do they play a half each? Alternate games? I think Leo would be far happier playing tired than only playing half the amount and I really don't think we will get or need anyone better than Leo.

We need to either get more of the chances to fall to Leo rather than anyone else or get the others putting their chances away more. Obika and CMS when he comes back are fine for giving Leo a rest once a game is won or even to wear down a defence for Leo to come on.
Hi, Yep Agree he is one of the best strikers in the division but for me he just does not seem to get the support, he looks as though he is left alone to get on with it, we get the ball to him but no one there to back him up, to me anyway it's just so frustrating to see him hold up the ball looking for some support on many occasions. We all see the game in a different way but now we need goals to get us into that top 6 and apart from Leo there just not seem anyone else putting the ball in the net regularly.
I'm simply an advocate of strikers in pairs. When through the years you have seen the likes of MacDougall and Boyer, Warboys and Bannister, it's despairing to see the lone striker scenario played out here week after week.
As for Ulloa, irrespective of his impressive goal tally I continually get the feeling that he is not happy here.
[quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: We lost and now move on to getting into the top six. Clearly we need another quality striker, Leo Ullo is doing a great job for us up front but he looked tired at times last night but still worked his socks off. I hope we look outside the UK again for a striker I bet there is another Leo Ullo out there somewhere and OG must have his contacts?[/p][/quote]We have one of the best, if not the best striker in the division. I really believe Leo would be very close to being top scorer had he not got injured. We play with one striker. So, where/when is this new striker going to play? If we got Zamora on loan, for example, he might be fairly similar in ability to Leo but how do you keep them both (mainly Leo) happy when the other is playing? Do they play a half each? Alternate games? I think Leo would be far happier playing tired than only playing half the amount and I really don't think we will get or need anyone better than Leo. We need to either get more of the chances to fall to Leo rather than anyone else or get the others putting their chances away more. Obika and CMS when he comes back are fine for giving Leo a rest once a game is won or even to wear down a defence for Leo to come on.[/p][/quote]Hi, Yep Agree he is one of the best strikers in the division but for me he just does not seem to get the support, he looks as though he is left alone to get on with it, we get the ball to him but no one there to back him up, to me anyway it's just so frustrating to see him hold up the ball looking for some support on many occasions. We all see the game in a different way but now we need goals to get us into that top 6 and apart from Leo there just not seem anyone else putting the ball in the net regularly.[/p][/quote]I'm simply an advocate of strikers in pairs. When through the years you have seen the likes of MacDougall and Boyer, Warboys and Bannister, it's despairing to see the lone striker scenario played out here week after week. As for Ulloa, irrespective of his impressive goal tally I continually get the feeling that he is not happy here. wiseman of hove

11:43am Tue 25 Feb 14

Steveg1958 says...

jaybee68 wrote:
WestStander17 wrote:
Steveg1958 wrote:
Clean Sheet wrote:
Unusual for OG to come out with this sort of comment, so clearly feeling very aggrieved. Yes, Brighton were poor in the first half, but really had a go when KLL came on. He made quite a difference. Overall there was not much between Brighton and Hull over 3 hours, and Hull is a mid table PL side. We can compete!
Yeah KLL made a difference, ! remind me how many times he fell over again !!!. We do not have the players to compete at PL level, and barely good enough ones in the Championship if Brezovan, Andrews and Stevens are anything to go by !!!! Rubbish signings and a cluless manager who flatly refuses to try anything different, aided and abetted by NJ. (before anyone mentions it, I know Gus signed Brezovan, bet he was falling off his sofa with laughter last night), FA Cup Qtr final, Capital One Cup Final and PL Safely, HMMMMM OG or GP who got the better deal I wonder, Sunderland Fans or US ??????????
I think you will get a lot of thumbs down for that, Steve, but you are correct in that if we went up, we would need a lot of better players. However, I think that is the case with all the teams that go up. It's impossible to have a Premier League ready squad in the Championship.

I don't agree with your criticism of Oscar though. We are actually playing very well against nearly all opposition (the 1st half last night as an exception). We dominated Wigan and Hull in the 1st game. We just need to score some goals from midfield rather than rely on just the chances Leo gets.
For me there are a few separate topics here.
The painful part is the performance from last night which was toothless, passionless and inept. Only Ward, Leo, Ince and Dunk came away with much in the way of credit, as did Solly who looks a fantastic player in the making. Andrews (who I am a fan of), Lopez (who has by the standards of last season been fairly awful throughout) and JFC were invisible. Brezovan has been noted as an accident waiting to happen.....well wait is over!!!! Rodders has always looked pretty good, but last night was woeful. And KLL is I'm afraid a one-trick pony and that trick wont work against half decent opposition. Its especially disappointing a couple of days after a great (even if losing performance) on Saturday. Had we gone to Hull and played like Saturday and still lost then I think all would be happy and proud.
I think we really lost the tie in team selection in the first match. A team that had included our best players would have won and we would be in the quarter finals with a game against Sunderland and Gus (for me, that's something to have really looked forward too as, unpopular for some I would have celebrated the opportunity to applaud Gus and Liam for what they did for the club).
I don't expect us to have a PL ready team today, and I think last night showed we are not ready this year. But somewhere the numbers don't add up..... biggest crowds in the league with amongst highest charges and very little in the way of spend for new players and a £14M loss (thank you Tony for your incredible support) is a recipe for it being even tougher next year. So what I don't understand is if we need the extra income to build for next year, why not play the best team in the first game and then be sitting pretty waiting for Gus right now.
Good points Jaybee68, I don't mind us losing if I feel that the team (and that includes management) gave 100 % effort but last night simply wasn't good enough, if you cannot get fired up for a game like last night you shouldn't be playing.
[quote][p][bold]jaybee68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: Unusual for OG to come out with this sort of comment, so clearly feeling very aggrieved. Yes, Brighton were poor in the first half, but really had a go when KLL came on. He made quite a difference. Overall there was not much between Brighton and Hull over 3 hours, and Hull is a mid table PL side. We can compete![/p][/quote]Yeah KLL made a difference, ! remind me how many times he fell over again !!!. We do not have the players to compete at PL level, and barely good enough ones in the Championship if Brezovan, Andrews and Stevens are anything to go by !!!! Rubbish signings and a cluless manager who flatly refuses to try anything different, aided and abetted by NJ. (before anyone mentions it, I know Gus signed Brezovan, bet he was falling off his sofa with laughter last night), FA Cup Qtr final, Capital One Cup Final and PL Safely, HMMMMM OG or GP who got the better deal I wonder, Sunderland Fans or US ??????????[/p][/quote]I think you will get a lot of thumbs down for that, Steve, but you are correct in that if we went up, we would need a lot of better players. However, I think that is the case with all the teams that go up. It's impossible to have a Premier League ready squad in the Championship. I don't agree with your criticism of Oscar though. We are actually playing very well against nearly all opposition (the 1st half last night as an exception). We dominated Wigan and Hull in the 1st game. We just need to score some goals from midfield rather than rely on just the chances Leo gets.[/p][/quote]For me there are a few separate topics here. The painful part is the performance from last night which was toothless, passionless and inept. Only Ward, Leo, Ince and Dunk came away with much in the way of credit, as did Solly who looks a fantastic player in the making. Andrews (who I am a fan of), Lopez (who has by the standards of last season been fairly awful throughout) and JFC were invisible. Brezovan has been noted as an accident waiting to happen.....well wait is over!!!! Rodders has always looked pretty good, but last night was woeful. And KLL is I'm afraid a one-trick pony and that trick wont work against half decent opposition. Its especially disappointing a couple of days after a great (even if losing performance) on Saturday. Had we gone to Hull and played like Saturday and still lost then I think all would be happy and proud. I think we really lost the tie in team selection in the first match. A team that had included our best players would have won and we would be in the quarter finals with a game against Sunderland and Gus (for me, that's something to have really looked forward too as, unpopular for some I would have celebrated the opportunity to applaud Gus and Liam for what they did for the club). I don't expect us to have a PL ready team today, and I think last night showed we are not ready this year. But somewhere the numbers don't add up..... biggest crowds in the league with amongst highest charges and very little in the way of spend for new players and a £14M loss (thank you Tony for your incredible support) is a recipe for it being even tougher next year. So what I don't understand is if we need the extra income to build for next year, why not play the best team in the first game and then be sitting pretty waiting for Gus right now.[/p][/quote]Good points Jaybee68, I don't mind us losing if I feel that the team (and that includes management) gave 100 % effort but last night simply wasn't good enough, if you cannot get fired up for a game like last night you shouldn't be playing. Steveg1958

11:53am Tue 25 Feb 14

Conelli98 says...

why was our smallest player on the front post for the first goal? Basic error and I'm sorry Mr Brezovan you owe your team mates and 400 odd fans a very big apology! don't like singling individuals out but that was a very poor display. For 65 mins the rest of the team were not much better. Ive said on numerous threads we don't attack with enough pace, commentators said it at Bournemouth and again last night. Claridge has said it on FLS and Mr Garcia the tv audience saw it as well. Time to act.
why was our smallest player on the front post for the first goal? Basic error and I'm sorry Mr Brezovan you owe your team mates and 400 odd fans a very big apology! don't like singling individuals out but that was a very poor display. For 65 mins the rest of the team were not much better. Ive said on numerous threads we don't attack with enough pace, commentators said it at Bournemouth and again last night. Claridge has said it on FLS and Mr Garcia the tv audience saw it as well. Time to act. Conelli98

11:53am Tue 25 Feb 14

fratsomrover says...

Yes, it was offside as Ward only lunged at the ball to try and prevent it going through to Fryatt. If he hadn't lunged and `Fryatt had poked it in it would have been disallowed. Therefore technically Fryatt was interfering with play.

On another note, however, having set up their defensive line, why did Ward move back ? If he had held his ground, or better still, if they had all moved up a pace as Koren took the free kick, there would have been no dispute about it being offside. Ward should not have moved back to cover the run of Fryatt, he should have stepped forward.
Despite the offside goal, the first goal was a farce. Brez has to take the blame for his lack of command and slow movement. His positioning was dreadful.
Also, Dunk should have scored. Centre half or not, a free volley 10m out in the centre of the goal should be put away, but like Stephens on Sat, he tried to take the net off. Why we so totally lack composure in front of goal, I dont know. Two games lost which were quite winnable is very disappointing.

Finally, I'd love to know the logic behind bringing on Obika in the 89th minute. If you're gonna use him, at least give him 10 minutes or so. A bewildering decision to me.
Yes, it was offside as Ward only lunged at the ball to try and prevent it going through to Fryatt. If he hadn't lunged and `Fryatt had poked it in it would have been disallowed. Therefore technically Fryatt was interfering with play. On another note, however, having set up their defensive line, why did Ward move back ? If he had held his ground, or better still, if they had all moved up a pace as Koren took the free kick, there would have been no dispute about it being offside. Ward should not have moved back to cover the run of Fryatt, he should have stepped forward. Despite the offside goal, the first goal was a farce. Brez has to take the blame for his lack of command and slow movement. His positioning was dreadful. Also, Dunk should have scored. Centre half or not, a free volley 10m out in the centre of the goal should be put away, but like Stephens on Sat, he tried to take the net off. Why we so totally lack composure in front of goal, I dont know. Two games lost which were quite winnable is very disappointing. Finally, I'd love to know the logic behind bringing on Obika in the 89th minute. If you're gonna use him, at least give him 10 minutes or so. A bewildering decision to me. fratsomrover

12:08pm Tue 25 Feb 14

wiseman of hove says...

fratsomrover wrote:
Yes, it was offside as Ward only lunged at the ball to try and prevent it going through to Fryatt. If he hadn't lunged and `Fryatt had poked it in it would have been disallowed. Therefore technically Fryatt was interfering with play.

On another note, however, having set up their defensive line, why did Ward move back ? If he had held his ground, or better still, if they had all moved up a pace as Koren took the free kick, there would have been no dispute about it being offside. Ward should not have moved back to cover the run of Fryatt, he should have stepped forward.
Despite the offside goal, the first goal was a farce. Brez has to take the blame for his lack of command and slow movement. His positioning was dreadful.
Also, Dunk should have scored. Centre half or not, a free volley 10m out in the centre of the goal should be put away, but like Stephens on Sat, he tried to take the net off. Why we so totally lack composure in front of goal, I dont know. Two games lost which were quite winnable is very disappointing.

Finally, I'd love to know the logic behind bringing on Obika in the 89th minute. If you're gonna use him, at least give him 10 minutes or so. A bewildering decision to me.
The Obika scenario is as bewildering and laughable as bringing on Rodriquez with barely any time left in the first game at Hull. I think it really is time for Oscar to explain his decision making.
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: Yes, it was offside as Ward only lunged at the ball to try and prevent it going through to Fryatt. If he hadn't lunged and `Fryatt had poked it in it would have been disallowed. Therefore technically Fryatt was interfering with play. On another note, however, having set up their defensive line, why did Ward move back ? If he had held his ground, or better still, if they had all moved up a pace as Koren took the free kick, there would have been no dispute about it being offside. Ward should not have moved back to cover the run of Fryatt, he should have stepped forward. Despite the offside goal, the first goal was a farce. Brez has to take the blame for his lack of command and slow movement. His positioning was dreadful. Also, Dunk should have scored. Centre half or not, a free volley 10m out in the centre of the goal should be put away, but like Stephens on Sat, he tried to take the net off. Why we so totally lack composure in front of goal, I dont know. Two games lost which were quite winnable is very disappointing. Finally, I'd love to know the logic behind bringing on Obika in the 89th minute. If you're gonna use him, at least give him 10 minutes or so. A bewildering decision to me.[/p][/quote]The Obika scenario is as bewildering and laughable as bringing on Rodriquez with barely any time left in the first game at Hull. I think it really is time for Oscar to explain his decision making. wiseman of hove

12:09pm Tue 25 Feb 14

wiseman of hove says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
fratsomrover wrote:
Yes, it was offside as Ward only lunged at the ball to try and prevent it going through to Fryatt. If he hadn't lunged and `Fryatt had poked it in it would have been disallowed. Therefore technically Fryatt was interfering with play.

On another note, however, having set up their defensive line, why did Ward move back ? If he had held his ground, or better still, if they had all moved up a pace as Koren took the free kick, there would have been no dispute about it being offside. Ward should not have moved back to cover the run of Fryatt, he should have stepped forward.
Despite the offside goal, the first goal was a farce. Brez has to take the blame for his lack of command and slow movement. His positioning was dreadful.
Also, Dunk should have scored. Centre half or not, a free volley 10m out in the centre of the goal should be put away, but like Stephens on Sat, he tried to take the net off. Why we so totally lack composure in front of goal, I dont know. Two games lost which were quite winnable is very disappointing.

Finally, I'd love to know the logic behind bringing on Obika in the 89th minute. If you're gonna use him, at least give him 10 minutes or so. A bewildering decision to me.
The Obika scenario is as bewildering and laughable as bringing on Rodriquez with barely any time left in the first game at Hull. I think it really is time for Oscar to explain his decision making.
against Hull!
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: Yes, it was offside as Ward only lunged at the ball to try and prevent it going through to Fryatt. If he hadn't lunged and `Fryatt had poked it in it would have been disallowed. Therefore technically Fryatt was interfering with play. On another note, however, having set up their defensive line, why did Ward move back ? If he had held his ground, or better still, if they had all moved up a pace as Koren took the free kick, there would have been no dispute about it being offside. Ward should not have moved back to cover the run of Fryatt, he should have stepped forward. Despite the offside goal, the first goal was a farce. Brez has to take the blame for his lack of command and slow movement. His positioning was dreadful. Also, Dunk should have scored. Centre half or not, a free volley 10m out in the centre of the goal should be put away, but like Stephens on Sat, he tried to take the net off. Why we so totally lack composure in front of goal, I dont know. Two games lost which were quite winnable is very disappointing. Finally, I'd love to know the logic behind bringing on Obika in the 89th minute. If you're gonna use him, at least give him 10 minutes or so. A bewildering decision to me.[/p][/quote]The Obika scenario is as bewildering and laughable as bringing on Rodriquez with barely any time left in the first game at Hull. I think it really is time for Oscar to explain his decision making.[/p][/quote]against Hull! wiseman of hove

1:17pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Tiger al says...

BobbyLaverick wrote:
With TK in goal, we would have won this. But then, with TK in goal, there would have been no need for a replay in the first place. Both Hull goals were so embarrassing, never mind whether any offside was involved or not, and you might have been excused for thinking you were watching a Sunday park match. They highlighted the fact that Brezovan is simply not good enough for the Championship. His complete lack of command and confidence rapidly affected a defence that was already the most disjointed setup seen under OG to date.
Your right mate, I am a Hull fan and saw it on the TV, OG says our goal was offside, Well TV also showed your goal was the same off side, You only came to life in the last 20 min , We won at a canter with our reserves ,Good luck in the playoffs .
Tiger al
[quote][p][bold]BobbyLaverick[/bold] wrote: With TK in goal, we would have won this. But then, with TK in goal, there would have been no need for a replay in the first place. Both Hull goals were so embarrassing, never mind whether any offside was involved or not, and you might have been excused for thinking you were watching a Sunday park match. They highlighted the fact that Brezovan is simply not good enough for the Championship. His complete lack of command and confidence rapidly affected a defence that was already the most disjointed setup seen under OG to date.[/p][/quote]Your right mate, I am a Hull fan and saw it on the TV, OG says our goal was offside, Well TV also showed your goal was the same off side, You only came to life in the last 20 min , We won at a canter with our reserves ,Good luck in the playoffs . Tiger al Tiger al

1:24pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Tiger al says...

OG says our goal was offside and I agree, But the slow mo by the TV also showed your guy was also offside for yours so whats OG taking about ?? You dont score enough goals to be in contention for the play offs , We actually played with 6 reserves last night and we still outplayed you ,Move on and try your best to get into the playoffs, You are missing a goal scorer,Best wishes
Tiger Al,
OG says our goal was offside and I agree, But the slow mo by the TV also showed your guy was also offside for yours so whats OG taking about ?? You dont score enough goals to be in contention for the play offs , We actually played with 6 reserves last night and we still outplayed you ,Move on and try your best to get into the playoffs, You are missing a goal scorer,Best wishes Tiger Al, Tiger al

2:21pm Tue 25 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

I really don't understand why so many comments take such a dim view of Oscar, just what is it that is wanted from him that he is not giving.

If you were to ask the man if he wanted a Championship division proven goal scorer signed up for 2 or 3 million he would say yes. I you asked him if he wanted Bridcutt sold he would say no, and the same answer for Barnes. Name a creative midfielder, one that can go past a defender and play that killer pass, Oscar would take him in a heart beat. I am sure that Oscar wants what the fans want, quality players that can win matches and get us promoted, but he was never going to get them this year, just as we were never going to hold on to Bridcutt or Barnes.

Our 14 million losses have governed what the club has been able to do in the market. Lita and Obika, probably not who Oscar would have prefered, Jones had a part to play in one of them I am sure. If the ball and chain that is the 14 million loss figure had not been around the neck of Oscar, would things have been different, maybe. If we had not had a season where injuries to our key players have felt like death by a thousand cuts, would things have been different, probably. If Oscar had come to us with a complete knowledge of the market, rather than very little, would that have helped, possibly.
This is not a season to judge Oscar, too many variables that he did not have control over, and the two biggest of which are the debt and the injury list. In fact given those two issues the guy could be seen as having done very well.

A chunk of our debt will be paid off this season, we have been told that, but I would like to know, just what caused our losses to rise? Last year we lost close to 9 million and we have not made any marquee signings since, so where did that extra 5 million in football operational costs come from. We know how we will pay it down, sales and our cup run, but what pushed the figure up from last year, it certainly isn't anything that Oscar has done in the market.

I don't know what next years squad will look like, but I am pretty sure that it won't look much like the one we currently have. Burke appears to have hands on regarding some of the loanees brought in, Jones too, I am expecting Oscar to change that. I doubt Oscar wants to continue to carry certain players that are constantly having fitness issues, no matter how good they are when fit, we can't afford to from a playing perspective or a financial one, I think Oscar will show some the way to the exit door.
Oscar has to take control of his squad next year, and by, 'take control,' I mean he has to build it and not Burke or Jones. His chosen players retained, if they want to stay, and his chosen players gone. The new players coming in must be all Oscar selections. The Poyet days are over but we still have many players on wages that the FFP rules mean we have to cut, when we signed them debt wasn't a big issue, today it is. Next year has to be the start of the Oscar days, players will be signed on wages and for fees that our compliance with the FFP rules allows, we have to cut losses next year by 2 million. If come next Christmas Oscar's squad is not delivering, and by delivering I mean top six or there abouts, then he too can be shown the exit door. Oscar MUST be given every penny available, whilst keeping us on track for FFP compliance, to build his squad and if he isn't, then maybe a a suit or two should be shown where the exit door is. Mr. Bloom brought Oscar in so he has to back him with all the resources at his disposal.
I really don't understand why so many comments take such a dim view of Oscar, just what is it that is wanted from him that he is not giving. If you were to ask the man if he wanted a Championship division proven goal scorer signed up for 2 or 3 million he would say yes. I you asked him if he wanted Bridcutt sold he would say no, and the same answer for Barnes. Name a creative midfielder, one that can go past a defender and play that killer pass, Oscar would take him in a heart beat. I am sure that Oscar wants what the fans want, quality players that can win matches and get us promoted, but he was never going to get them this year, just as we were never going to hold on to Bridcutt or Barnes. Our 14 million losses have governed what the club has been able to do in the market. Lita and Obika, probably not who Oscar would have prefered, Jones had a part to play in one of them I am sure. If the ball and chain that is the 14 million loss figure had not been around the neck of Oscar, would things have been different, maybe. If we had not had a season where injuries to our key players have felt like death by a thousand cuts, would things have been different, probably. If Oscar had come to us with a complete knowledge of the market, rather than very little, would that have helped, possibly. This is not a season to judge Oscar, too many variables that he did not have control over, and the two biggest of which are the debt and the injury list. In fact given those two issues the guy could be seen as having done very well. A chunk of our debt will be paid off this season, we have been told that, but I would like to know, just what caused our losses to rise? Last year we lost close to 9 million and we have not made any marquee signings since, so where did that extra 5 million in football operational costs come from. We know how we will pay it down, sales and our cup run, but what pushed the figure up from last year, it certainly isn't anything that Oscar has done in the market. I don't know what next years squad will look like, but I am pretty sure that it won't look much like the one we currently have. Burke appears to have hands on regarding some of the loanees brought in, Jones too, I am expecting Oscar to change that. I doubt Oscar wants to continue to carry certain players that are constantly having fitness issues, no matter how good they are when fit, we can't afford to from a playing perspective or a financial one, I think Oscar will show some the way to the exit door. Oscar has to take control of his squad next year, and by, 'take control,' I mean he has to build it and not Burke or Jones. His chosen players retained, if they want to stay, and his chosen players gone. The new players coming in must be all Oscar selections. The Poyet days are over but we still have many players on wages that the FFP rules mean we have to cut, when we signed them debt wasn't a big issue, today it is. Next year has to be the start of the Oscar days, players will be signed on wages and for fees that our compliance with the FFP rules allows, we have to cut losses next year by 2 million. If come next Christmas Oscar's squad is not delivering, and by delivering I mean top six or there abouts, then he too can be shown the exit door. Oscar MUST be given every penny available, whilst keeping us on track for FFP compliance, to build his squad and if he isn't, then maybe a a suit or two should be shown where the exit door is. Mr. Bloom brought Oscar in so he has to back him with all the resources at his disposal. VegasSeagull

2:39pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Chi Gull says...

Vegas - it's the same after every draw or loss. The same 'glass half empty merchants' are straight on here bemoaning this and that. So far we have the same points total as last season in the league, we have gone further in the cup and yet you would think we are staring disaster in the face? Yes the squad is not quite as strong as last season, but we are still in the transition from Gus to Oscar, whilst at the same time grappling with FFP. There will have to be change in the summer at a number of clubs, so let's see where we are then - and of course it could still be in the PL.
Vegas - it's the same after every draw or loss. The same 'glass half empty merchants' are straight on here bemoaning this and that. So far we have the same points total as last season in the league, we have gone further in the cup and yet you would think we are staring disaster in the face? Yes the squad is not quite as strong as last season, but we are still in the transition from Gus to Oscar, whilst at the same time grappling with FFP. There will have to be change in the summer at a number of clubs, so let's see where we are then - and of course it could still be in the PL. Chi Gull

2:40pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Anthony 14 says...

The more I hear from OG & NJ, the more I am irritated by them - I have no idea what game they were watching last night.

If anything, OG should be apologising to the fans that made the trip up to Hull for our woeful performance. Yes, we were a little bit better in the second half but that wasn't exactly hard. We had nothing to lose so should have thrown the kitchen sink at them. Ulloa was one of the few players who did us proud. In the second half he scored a goal, had a couple of shots and forced a corner out of nothing late on. He was the only players who showed any desire.

Why is Garcia now coming up with excuses like the player was offside!? He has more to worry about than that - like trying to install a bit of commitment and urgency in the side. I know he has his job to look after, but his comments after the game are frankly embarrassing. We were terrible at Derby, yet he said he was "proud" of our performance - while the rest of the media hammered us and criticised our lack of ambition. It was like that last night. I doubt Clarke Carslie has watched us much this season, but his honest assessment was spot on - that we were toothless and looked lethargic. Its been like that all season, but our position in the league is giving us the false suggestion that we are a good team, when in fact we are pretty average.

Lets make no mistake, we could easily be in the bottom half without some of those lucky 1-0's we have got this season - and we would be seriously question OG suitability for the job if that was the case. Personally, I think we have to assess the job he is doing regardless of the fact that we are 8th - and being honest, I am not sure he is the man to take us forward.
The more I hear from OG & NJ, the more I am irritated by them - I have no idea what game they were watching last night. If anything, OG should be apologising to the fans that made the trip up to Hull for our woeful performance. Yes, we were a little bit better in the second half but that wasn't exactly hard. We had nothing to lose so should have thrown the kitchen sink at them. Ulloa was one of the few players who did us proud. In the second half he scored a goal, had a couple of shots and forced a corner out of nothing late on. He was the only players who showed any desire. Why is Garcia now coming up with excuses like the player was offside!? He has more to worry about than that - like trying to install a bit of commitment and urgency in the side. I know he has his job to look after, but his comments after the game are frankly embarrassing. We were terrible at Derby, yet he said he was "proud" of our performance - while the rest of the media hammered us and criticised our lack of ambition. It was like that last night. I doubt Clarke Carslie has watched us much this season, but his honest assessment was spot on - that we were toothless and looked lethargic. Its been like that all season, but our position in the league is giving us the false suggestion that we are a good team, when in fact we are pretty average. Lets make no mistake, we could easily be in the bottom half without some of those lucky 1-0's we have got this season - and we would be seriously question OG suitability for the job if that was the case. Personally, I think we have to assess the job he is doing regardless of the fact that we are 8th - and being honest, I am not sure he is the man to take us forward. Anthony 14

2:40pm Tue 25 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

Chi Gull wrote:
Vegas - it's the same after every draw or loss. The same 'glass half empty merchants' are straight on here bemoaning this and that. So far we have the same points total as last season in the league, we have gone further in the cup and yet you would think we are staring disaster in the face? Yes the squad is not quite as strong as last season, but we are still in the transition from Gus to Oscar, whilst at the same time grappling with FFP. There will have to be change in the summer at a number of clubs, so let's see where we are then - and of course it could still be in the PL.
Yep you are rght.
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: Vegas - it's the same after every draw or loss. The same 'glass half empty merchants' are straight on here bemoaning this and that. So far we have the same points total as last season in the league, we have gone further in the cup and yet you would think we are staring disaster in the face? Yes the squad is not quite as strong as last season, but we are still in the transition from Gus to Oscar, whilst at the same time grappling with FFP. There will have to be change in the summer at a number of clubs, so let's see where we are then - and of course it could still be in the PL.[/p][/quote]Yep you are rght. VegasSeagull

2:44pm Tue 25 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

Anthony 14 wrote:
The more I hear from OG & NJ, the more I am irritated by them - I have no idea what game they were watching last night.

If anything, OG should be apologising to the fans that made the trip up to Hull for our woeful performance. Yes, we were a little bit better in the second half but that wasn't exactly hard. We had nothing to lose so should have thrown the kitchen sink at them. Ulloa was one of the few players who did us proud. In the second half he scored a goal, had a couple of shots and forced a corner out of nothing late on. He was the only players who showed any desire.

Why is Garcia now coming up with excuses like the player was offside!? He has more to worry about than that - like trying to install a bit of commitment and urgency in the side. I know he has his job to look after, but his comments after the game are frankly embarrassing. We were terrible at Derby, yet he said he was "proud" of our performance - while the rest of the media hammered us and criticised our lack of ambition. It was like that last night. I doubt Clarke Carslie has watched us much this season, but his honest assessment was spot on - that we were toothless and looked lethargic. Its been like that all season, but our position in the league is giving us the false suggestion that we are a good team, when in fact we are pretty average.

Lets make no mistake, we could easily be in the bottom half without some of those lucky 1-0's we have got this season - and we would be seriously question OG suitability for the job if that was the case. Personally, I think we have to assess the job he is doing regardless of the fact that we are 8th - and being honest, I am not sure he is the man to take us forward.
You might want to read the comment right above yours.
[quote][p][bold]Anthony 14[/bold] wrote: The more I hear from OG & NJ, the more I am irritated by them - I have no idea what game they were watching last night. If anything, OG should be apologising to the fans that made the trip up to Hull for our woeful performance. Yes, we were a little bit better in the second half but that wasn't exactly hard. We had nothing to lose so should have thrown the kitchen sink at them. Ulloa was one of the few players who did us proud. In the second half he scored a goal, had a couple of shots and forced a corner out of nothing late on. He was the only players who showed any desire. Why is Garcia now coming up with excuses like the player was offside!? He has more to worry about than that - like trying to install a bit of commitment and urgency in the side. I know he has his job to look after, but his comments after the game are frankly embarrassing. We were terrible at Derby, yet he said he was "proud" of our performance - while the rest of the media hammered us and criticised our lack of ambition. It was like that last night. I doubt Clarke Carslie has watched us much this season, but his honest assessment was spot on - that we were toothless and looked lethargic. Its been like that all season, but our position in the league is giving us the false suggestion that we are a good team, when in fact we are pretty average. Lets make no mistake, we could easily be in the bottom half without some of those lucky 1-0's we have got this season - and we would be seriously question OG suitability for the job if that was the case. Personally, I think we have to assess the job he is doing regardless of the fact that we are 8th - and being honest, I am not sure he is the man to take us forward.[/p][/quote]You might want to read the comment right above yours. VegasSeagull

3:14pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Tommy11 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Anthony 14 wrote: The more I hear from OG & NJ, the more I am irritated by them - I have no idea what game they were watching last night. If anything, OG should be apologising to the fans that made the trip up to Hull for our woeful performance. Yes, we were a little bit better in the second half but that wasn't exactly hard. We had nothing to lose so should have thrown the kitchen sink at them. Ulloa was one of the few players who did us proud. In the second half he scored a goal, had a couple of shots and forced a corner out of nothing late on. He was the only players who showed any desire. Why is Garcia now coming up with excuses like the player was offside!? He has more to worry about than that - like trying to install a bit of commitment and urgency in the side. I know he has his job to look after, but his comments after the game are frankly embarrassing. We were terrible at Derby, yet he said he was "proud" of our performance - while the rest of the media hammered us and criticised our lack of ambition. It was like that last night. I doubt Clarke Carslie has watched us much this season, but his honest assessment was spot on - that we were toothless and looked lethargic. Its been like that all season, but our position in the league is giving us the false suggestion that we are a good team, when in fact we are pretty average. Lets make no mistake, we could easily be in the bottom half without some of those lucky 1-0's we have got this season - and we would be seriously question OG suitability for the job if that was the case. Personally, I think we have to assess the job he is doing regardless of the fact that we are 8th - and being honest, I am not sure he is the man to take us forward.
You might want to read the comment right above yours.
Vegas - You don't know what your talking about. Anthony is spot on with his argument.

You don't go the games - how can we rely on your judgement when you rely on podcasts and whatever rubiish.

Besides - we are talking tactics, not FPP or debt.

For god sake man, wake up!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anthony 14[/bold] wrote: The more I hear from OG & NJ, the more I am irritated by them - I have no idea what game they were watching last night. If anything, OG should be apologising to the fans that made the trip up to Hull for our woeful performance. Yes, we were a little bit better in the second half but that wasn't exactly hard. We had nothing to lose so should have thrown the kitchen sink at them. Ulloa was one of the few players who did us proud. In the second half he scored a goal, had a couple of shots and forced a corner out of nothing late on. He was the only players who showed any desire. Why is Garcia now coming up with excuses like the player was offside!? He has more to worry about than that - like trying to install a bit of commitment and urgency in the side. I know he has his job to look after, but his comments after the game are frankly embarrassing. We were terrible at Derby, yet he said he was "proud" of our performance - while the rest of the media hammered us and criticised our lack of ambition. It was like that last night. I doubt Clarke Carslie has watched us much this season, but his honest assessment was spot on - that we were toothless and looked lethargic. Its been like that all season, but our position in the league is giving us the false suggestion that we are a good team, when in fact we are pretty average. Lets make no mistake, we could easily be in the bottom half without some of those lucky 1-0's we have got this season - and we would be seriously question OG suitability for the job if that was the case. Personally, I think we have to assess the job he is doing regardless of the fact that we are 8th - and being honest, I am not sure he is the man to take us forward.[/p][/quote]You might want to read the comment right above yours.[/p][/quote]Vegas - You don't know what your talking about. Anthony is spot on with his argument. You don't go the games - how can we rely on your judgement when you rely on podcasts and whatever rubiish. Besides - we are talking tactics, not FPP or debt. For god sake man, wake up! Tommy11

3:27pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Looks like some are still unnecessarily angry about last night. Yes, the first 45 minutes was dire, but we lost by the odd goal in 5 over two matches against a mid-table Premier League side.

Anthony14 - you criticize OG for questioning our luck last night, but then use 'luck' to bolster your unconvincing argument about us being a poor team.

Tommy 11 - you're just a troll.

I'm with Vegas and Chi Gull. The facts just don't support this level of vitriol and despondency.
Looks like some are still unnecessarily angry about last night. Yes, the first 45 minutes was dire, but we lost by the odd goal in 5 over two matches against a mid-table Premier League side. Anthony14 - you criticize OG for questioning our luck last night, but then use 'luck' to bolster your unconvincing argument about us being a poor team. Tommy 11 - you're just a troll. I'm with Vegas and Chi Gull. The facts just don't support this level of vitriol and despondency. Ex-pat Arnie

3:33pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Tiger al wrote:
OG says our goal was offside and I agree, But the slow mo by the TV also showed your guy was also offside for yours so whats OG taking about ?? You dont score enough goals to be in contention for the play offs , We actually played with 6 reserves last night and we still outplayed you ,Move on and try your best to get into the playoffs, You are missing a goal scorer,Best wishes
Tiger Al,
Might be a good idea to check your facts before visiting.

(1) The bloke who challenged our player for the second goal was, by challenging the defender, interfering with play = offside. If you want to argue it, then technically it shouldn't have been a free-kick in the first place.
(2) The bloke who was offside for us wasn't interfering as his position made no material difference = not offside.
(3) You may have had 6 reserves, but you don't seriously think that was anywhere near our strongest side either, do you?
(4) We're obviously not missing a goal scorer (Ulloa has scored in 5 consecutive matches and has a 1 in 2 ratio for us), but we are lacking goals from elsewhere in the team, mostly due to the injury to Crofts (see #3 above).

Good luck with the rest of the season, though, for all that. Stay above Sunderland and Palace.
[quote][p][bold]Tiger al[/bold] wrote: OG says our goal was offside and I agree, But the slow mo by the TV also showed your guy was also offside for yours so whats OG taking about ?? You dont score enough goals to be in contention for the play offs , We actually played with 6 reserves last night and we still outplayed you ,Move on and try your best to get into the playoffs, You are missing a goal scorer,Best wishes Tiger Al,[/p][/quote]Might be a good idea to check your facts before visiting. (1) The bloke who challenged our player for the second goal was, by challenging the defender, interfering with play = offside. If you want to argue it, then technically it shouldn't have been a free-kick in the first place. (2) The bloke who was offside for us wasn't interfering as his position made no material difference = not offside. (3) You may have had 6 reserves, but you don't seriously think that was anywhere near our strongest side either, do you? (4) We're obviously not missing a goal scorer (Ulloa has scored in 5 consecutive matches and has a 1 in 2 ratio for us), but we are lacking goals from elsewhere in the team, mostly due to the injury to Crofts (see #3 above). Good luck with the rest of the season, though, for all that. Stay above Sunderland and Palace. Ex-pat Arnie

3:48pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Tommy11 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Looks like some are still unnecessarily angry about last night. Yes, the first 45 minutes was dire, but we lost by the odd goal in 5 over two matches against a mid-table Premier League side. Anthony14 - you criticize OG for questioning our luck last night, but then use 'luck' to bolster your unconvincing argument about us being a poor team. Tommy 11 - you're just a troll. I'm with Vegas and Chi Gull. The facts just don't support this level of vitriol and despondency.
Ex- Pat Arnie - you are a total prat!!! - read me earlier comment;

In my view, I thought were a disgrace last night. People may think I'm being OTT, but our effort in the first half was pathetic. Were clutching on straws saying we were better in the second half, granted we scored - but in reality Hull were always comfortable and we didn't look like getting that second.

I'm actually very concerned about next season - once again people are clutching on staws saying ' How is this a bad season?? - were 8th, near the play offs, blah blah'. But look, were lucky that were 8th - the top 5 are cemented where they are - and they DESERVE it, as they are better than us. All we can hang onto is that 6th place - but there are so many teams chasing for that spot - Reading, Wigan, Blackburn, Ipswich., us etc etc.....another few defeats and we can be down to 15th.. so please please can people get a reality check! We don't deserve to make the Play offs...and anyway fo we really want to?? are we ready?? god no.

As said above - Im more worried abut next season, as we could be in very serious trouble. TK will leave, MU will want a last crack somewhere, Ward will go, Buckley will be sold, Lua Lua who is hacked off beyond belief will leave on a free - KA will go, Ulloa will be sought after.. and more!!! The problem is - have you the faith in Garcia/Burke to replace these players??? I'm afraid I don't have faith in the pair of them at all.

In regards to the way we play - I am sick to death of our away displays which I find totally pathetic. I was there at Reading, QPR, Yeovil, Darby & Watford and watched the game on TV last night. In each of these games we just simply didn't go for it - the team was so defensive and we litrally bored the pants off the oppostion - I just don't what the tactic is - well i suppose just getting a draw and maybe sneaking one at the end?

OG has been slated by every low league pundit he comes into contact with - Claridge, Brown, Savage, Strachan, Clark Carlise etc etc...all saying the same thing - suggesting were not 'going for it' - its getting all a bit cringing.

Look - we have good players, and people know this. On that basis, do I think OG has done a good job? - in my view, no he hasn't. I think his tactics are all wrong, and I have no idea what they are. I think he is losing the dressing room, and I don't think the players are responding to him - just look at Lua Lua's face when he comes on - he looks so hacked off! Jones is looking more and more gormlass by the second too.

I really think the club should have a serious think at the end of the season.....something does need to change.

This is not a OTT message from a fan who 'is expecting the earth' from my club. I have been a ST at the Goldstone, Priestfield, Withdean and present - so yes, I have seen a hell lot worse! but that does not mean I should accept the situation, as I do think its been a bit of a crap & dissapointing season.

Yes - Im a troll - clearly!!! I got the games as I'm a Palce fan.

Get real mate, and listen to yourself - your just some shirt & scarf wearing nerd who laps everything the club tells you up - I feel sorry for you.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Looks like some are still unnecessarily angry about last night. Yes, the first 45 minutes was dire, but we lost by the odd goal in 5 over two matches against a mid-table Premier League side. Anthony14 - you criticize OG for questioning our luck last night, but then use 'luck' to bolster your unconvincing argument about us being a poor team. Tommy 11 - you're just a troll. I'm with Vegas and Chi Gull. The facts just don't support this level of vitriol and despondency.[/p][/quote]Ex- Pat Arnie - you are a total prat!!! - read me earlier comment; In my view, I thought were a disgrace last night. People may think I'm being OTT, but our effort in the first half was pathetic. Were clutching on straws saying we were better in the second half, granted we scored - but in reality Hull were always comfortable and we didn't look like getting that second. I'm actually very concerned about next season - once again people are clutching on staws saying ' How is this a bad season?? - were 8th, near the play offs, blah blah'. But look, were lucky that were 8th - the top 5 are cemented where they are - and they DESERVE it, as they are better than us. All we can hang onto is that 6th place - but there are so many teams chasing for that spot - Reading, Wigan, Blackburn, Ipswich., us etc etc.....another few defeats and we can be down to 15th.. so please please can people get a reality check! We don't deserve to make the Play offs...and anyway fo we really want to?? are we ready?? god no. As said above - Im more worried abut next season, as we could be in very serious trouble. TK will leave, MU will want a last crack somewhere, Ward will go, Buckley will be sold, Lua Lua who is hacked off beyond belief will leave on a free - KA will go, Ulloa will be sought after.. and more!!! The problem is - have you the faith in Garcia/Burke to replace these players??? I'm afraid I don't have faith in the pair of them at all. In regards to the way we play - I am sick to death of our away displays which I find totally pathetic. I was there at Reading, QPR, Yeovil, Darby & Watford and watched the game on TV last night. In each of these games we just simply didn't go for it - the team was so defensive and we litrally bored the pants off the oppostion - I just don't what the tactic is - well i suppose just getting a draw and maybe sneaking one at the end? OG has been slated by every low league pundit he comes into contact with - Claridge, Brown, Savage, Strachan, Clark Carlise etc etc...all saying the same thing - suggesting were not 'going for it' - its getting all a bit cringing. Look - we have good players, and people know this. On that basis, do I think OG has done a good job? - in my view, no he hasn't. I think his tactics are all wrong, and I have no idea what they are. I think he is losing the dressing room, and I don't think the players are responding to him - just look at Lua Lua's face when he comes on - he looks so hacked off! Jones is looking more and more gormlass by the second too. I really think the club should have a serious think at the end of the season.....something does need to change. This is not a OTT message from a fan who 'is expecting the earth' from my club. I have been a ST at the Goldstone, Priestfield, Withdean and present - so yes, I have seen a hell lot worse! but that does not mean I should accept the situation, as I do think its been a bit of a crap & dissapointing season. Yes - Im a troll - clearly!!! I got the games as I'm a Palce fan. Get real mate, and listen to yourself - your just some shirt & scarf wearing nerd who laps everything the club tells you up - I feel sorry for you. Tommy11

4:02pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Far gull says...

Don't let reading fans at one another from the same club,everyone entitled to their opinion. I do think there are many issues this season .
But anyone who has watched us this season live will tell you apart from Leicester and Wigan games at home we have been poor all season compared to last where many commentators had us as the best side in the league and were unlucky/ with better finishing should have gone up automatically. ( Watford had a strong case to) Hull and Palace were just very lucky (imho).
This season 16 ish would be a better reflection on our position. Add to that we have been slow to get going in most 1st halves this season last night was just the worst.
True fans are not expecting miracles ,but the bar was raised last season and we have been a shadow of that team.
Questions for rest of this season are many. But OG and B + B will have many questions to answer if we are mid table or worse come Xmas. I fear we will be in this territory with them . Others may beg to differ which is fine but this January window and loanees brought in the summer were quite frankly .....t.
It is not promising . Will have a bet now Burke and Oscar will not be with us come Xmas .
Don't let reading fans at one another from the same club,everyone entitled to their opinion. I do think there are many issues this season . But anyone who has watched us this season live will tell you apart from Leicester and Wigan games at home we have been poor all season compared to last where many commentators had us as the best side in the league and were unlucky/ with better finishing should have gone up automatically. ( Watford had a strong case to) Hull and Palace were just very lucky (imho). This season 16 ish would be a better reflection on our position. Add to that we have been slow to get going in most 1st halves this season last night was just the worst. True fans are not expecting miracles ,but the bar was raised last season and we have been a shadow of that team. Questions for rest of this season are many. But OG and B + B will have many questions to answer if we are mid table or worse come Xmas. I fear we will be in this territory with them . Others may beg to differ which is fine but this January window and loanees brought in the summer were quite frankly .....t. It is not promising . Will have a bet now Burke and Oscar will not be with us come Xmas . Far gull

4:03pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Aldrington Halt says...

Oscar's done well this season to get us to the same league position as last year given all the odds but it just seems a bit weird that he's not not being more proactive during games like this?
Oscar's done well this season to get us to the same league position as last year given all the odds but it just seems a bit weird that he's not not being more proactive during games like this? Aldrington Halt

4:23pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Anthony 14 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Looks like some are still unnecessarily angry about last night. Yes, the first 45 minutes was dire, but we lost by the odd goal in 5 over two matches against a mid-table Premier League side.

Anthony14 - you criticize OG for questioning our luck last night, but then use 'luck' to bolster your unconvincing argument about us being a poor team.

Tommy 11 - you're just a troll.

I'm with Vegas and Chi Gull. The facts just don't support this level of vitriol and despondency.
Arnie - you have missed my point entirely, and if anything, just reinforce what the problem is - that we are blinded because we are 8th in the league or we only lose by 1 goal, or we have a decent goal against record away from home.

You bang on about facts to that Hull fan, but you are missing the point. We are not playing well, we can't score goals and some of our players are disillusioned. Are you actually satisfied with our level of performance at the moment? Are you a season ticket holder? Do you actually go to matches? If we were 15th, which we easily could be, I doubt you would be saying the same things so your argument is seriously flawed. I watch football, not statistics.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Looks like some are still unnecessarily angry about last night. Yes, the first 45 minutes was dire, but we lost by the odd goal in 5 over two matches against a mid-table Premier League side. Anthony14 - you criticize OG for questioning our luck last night, but then use 'luck' to bolster your unconvincing argument about us being a poor team. Tommy 11 - you're just a troll. I'm with Vegas and Chi Gull. The facts just don't support this level of vitriol and despondency.[/p][/quote]Arnie - you have missed my point entirely, and if anything, just reinforce what the problem is - that we are blinded because we are 8th in the league or we only lose by 1 goal, or we have a decent goal against record away from home. You bang on about facts to that Hull fan, but you are missing the point. We are not playing well, we can't score goals and some of our players are disillusioned. Are you actually satisfied with our level of performance at the moment? Are you a season ticket holder? Do you actually go to matches? If we were 15th, which we easily could be, I doubt you would be saying the same things so your argument is seriously flawed. I watch football, not statistics. Anthony 14

5:35pm Tue 25 Feb 14

SecondReserve says...

I've been to all but three of our away matches this season but after last night I won't be going to any more, it's no longer worth the time or the cost. The first half performance last night was a total disgrace and instead of complaining Garcia needs to be explaining why that happened. He's the manager - being the manager means that he is responsible for the team and that he should be held accountable for our performance.

There's nothing wrong in losing away to a reasonable Premiership team (thank goodness their two excellent first choice strikers were ineligible) but in the first half our team just stood around watching Hull play. Rodriguez did literally nothing, Lopez, Andrews and JFC did not much more, the defence was all over the place and surely that must be the last time Brezovan plays for the Albion. Some of our players were better in the second half but after we had scored we never looked like scoring again and our second shot on target wasn't until March's effort in the last minute.

I didn't really expect us to win but I expected us to play hard and at the very least be totally committed to making things difficult for Hull. Sadly none of that happened.
I've been to all but three of our away matches this season but after last night I won't be going to any more, it's no longer worth the time or the cost. The first half performance last night was a total disgrace and instead of complaining Garcia needs to be explaining why that happened. He's the manager - being the manager means that he is responsible for the team and that he should be held accountable for our performance. There's nothing wrong in losing away to a reasonable Premiership team (thank goodness their two excellent first choice strikers were ineligible) but in the first half our team just stood around watching Hull play. Rodriguez did literally nothing, Lopez, Andrews and JFC did not much more, the defence was all over the place and surely that must be the last time Brezovan plays for the Albion. Some of our players were better in the second half but after we had scored we never looked like scoring again and our second shot on target wasn't until March's effort in the last minute. I didn't really expect us to win but I expected us to play hard and at the very least be totally committed to making things difficult for Hull. Sadly none of that happened. SecondReserve

5:40pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Anthony 14 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Looks like some are still unnecessarily angry about last night. Yes, the first 45 minutes was dire, but we lost by the odd goal in 5 over two matches against a mid-table Premier League side.

Anthony14 - you criticize OG for questioning our luck last night, but then use 'luck' to bolster your unconvincing argument about us being a poor team.

Tommy 11 - you're just a troll.

I'm with Vegas and Chi Gull. The facts just don't support this level of vitriol and despondency.
Arnie - you have missed my point entirely, and if anything, just reinforce what the problem is - that we are blinded because we are 8th in the league or we only lose by 1 goal, or we have a decent goal against record away from home.

You bang on about facts to that Hull fan, but you are missing the point. We are not playing well, we can't score goals and some of our players are disillusioned. Are you actually satisfied with our level of performance at the moment? Are you a season ticket holder? Do you actually go to matches? If we were 15th, which we easily could be, I doubt you would be saying the same things so your argument is seriously flawed. I watch football, not statistics.
If we were 15th? IF? If my granny had wheels she could be a bus. Statistical evidence is always ignored by those who have an opposite agenda (ref people who still don't believe in anthropogenic climate change.

We are precisely where we deserve to be. We could be lower, we could be higher. Yes, a few of our 1-0 wins were fortunate, but several of them could have been won by even larger margins. Several of our draws and defeats have equally been unlucky and we ended up with nothing when a point or three would have been fairer.

What makes you think our players are disillusioned? When he left El-Abd said it was the best dressing room atmosphere he's ever seen, and was ever likely to see. That doesn't strike me as a place of disillusionment.

As for performance, as poor as the first half was yesterday, the first half against Wigan two days earlier was - according to most attendees - sublime. We have a crippling injury list but moaners never want to take that into account.

And yes, for the umpteenth f***ing time, I go to matches. Jesus wept. Don't be fooled by my nickname on here, I still spend a huge amount of my time in and around Sussex.
[quote][p][bold]Anthony 14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Looks like some are still unnecessarily angry about last night. Yes, the first 45 minutes was dire, but we lost by the odd goal in 5 over two matches against a mid-table Premier League side. Anthony14 - you criticize OG for questioning our luck last night, but then use 'luck' to bolster your unconvincing argument about us being a poor team. Tommy 11 - you're just a troll. I'm with Vegas and Chi Gull. The facts just don't support this level of vitriol and despondency.[/p][/quote]Arnie - you have missed my point entirely, and if anything, just reinforce what the problem is - that we are blinded because we are 8th in the league or we only lose by 1 goal, or we have a decent goal against record away from home. You bang on about facts to that Hull fan, but you are missing the point. We are not playing well, we can't score goals and some of our players are disillusioned. Are you actually satisfied with our level of performance at the moment? Are you a season ticket holder? Do you actually go to matches? If we were 15th, which we easily could be, I doubt you would be saying the same things so your argument is seriously flawed. I watch football, not statistics.[/p][/quote]If we were 15th? IF? If my granny had wheels she could be a bus. Statistical evidence is always ignored by those who have an opposite agenda (ref people who still don't believe in anthropogenic climate change. We are precisely where we deserve to be. We could be lower, we could be higher. Yes, a few of our 1-0 wins were fortunate, but several of them could have been won by even larger margins. Several of our draws and defeats have equally been unlucky and we ended up with nothing when a point or three would have been fairer. What makes you think our players are disillusioned? When he left El-Abd said it was the best dressing room atmosphere he's ever seen, and was ever likely to see. That doesn't strike me as a place of disillusionment. As for performance, as poor as the first half was yesterday, the first half against Wigan two days earlier was - according to most attendees - sublime. We have a crippling injury list but moaners never want to take that into account. And yes, for the umpteenth f***ing time, I go to matches. Jesus wept. Don't be fooled by my nickname on here, I still spend a huge amount of my time in and around Sussex. Ex-pat Arnie

5:48pm Tue 25 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

Tommy11 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Anthony 14 wrote: The more I hear from OG & NJ, the more I am irritated by them - I have no idea what game they were watching last night. If anything, OG should be apologising to the fans that made the trip up to Hull for our woeful performance. Yes, we were a little bit better in the second half but that wasn't exactly hard. We had nothing to lose so should have thrown the kitchen sink at them. Ulloa was one of the few players who did us proud. In the second half he scored a goal, had a couple of shots and forced a corner out of nothing late on. He was the only players who showed any desire. Why is Garcia now coming up with excuses like the player was offside!? He has more to worry about than that - like trying to install a bit of commitment and urgency in the side. I know he has his job to look after, but his comments after the game are frankly embarrassing. We were terrible at Derby, yet he said he was "proud" of our performance - while the rest of the media hammered us and criticised our lack of ambition. It was like that last night. I doubt Clarke Carslie has watched us much this season, but his honest assessment was spot on - that we were toothless and looked lethargic. Its been like that all season, but our position in the league is giving us the false suggestion that we are a good team, when in fact we are pretty average. Lets make no mistake, we could easily be in the bottom half without some of those lucky 1-0's we have got this season - and we would be seriously question OG suitability for the job if that was the case. Personally, I think we have to assess the job he is doing regardless of the fact that we are 8th - and being honest, I am not sure he is the man to take us forward.
You might want to read the comment right above yours.
Vegas - You don't know what your talking about. Anthony is spot on with his argument.

You don't go the games - how can we rely on your judgement when you rely on podcasts and whatever rubiish.

Besides - we are talking tactics, not FPP or debt.

For god sake man, wake up!
My, 'judgement,' sorry mate but if you read ll my comments from yesterday and today, you will see that I have not, 'judged,' any player or the team performance as a whole.
My comments today have been related to Oscar and what I think/hope, he does come the end of this season, and questioning some fo the sniping that is being directed at him. People, such as you, are voicing an opinion about Oscar and what he has done or failed to do, I am offering a different opinion, and I don't need to be at a match, or matches, to have an opinion on Oscar.
I happen tot hink that this year has been hard for Oscar, hard for various reasons but he has come thru, regardless of the hurdles he has had to negotiate, you don't, but that's cool, we are all entitled to our opinion.
As others on thsi forum know, and if you are a regular you should know too, I never comment on a match I have not seen, and I didn't see the Hull replay. Please get your facts straight before having a dig.
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anthony 14[/bold] wrote: The more I hear from OG & NJ, the more I am irritated by them - I have no idea what game they were watching last night. If anything, OG should be apologising to the fans that made the trip up to Hull for our woeful performance. Yes, we were a little bit better in the second half but that wasn't exactly hard. We had nothing to lose so should have thrown the kitchen sink at them. Ulloa was one of the few players who did us proud. In the second half he scored a goal, had a couple of shots and forced a corner out of nothing late on. He was the only players who showed any desire. Why is Garcia now coming up with excuses like the player was offside!? He has more to worry about than that - like trying to install a bit of commitment and urgency in the side. I know he has his job to look after, but his comments after the game are frankly embarrassing. We were terrible at Derby, yet he said he was "proud" of our performance - while the rest of the media hammered us and criticised our lack of ambition. It was like that last night. I doubt Clarke Carslie has watched us much this season, but his honest assessment was spot on - that we were toothless and looked lethargic. Its been like that all season, but our position in the league is giving us the false suggestion that we are a good team, when in fact we are pretty average. Lets make no mistake, we could easily be in the bottom half without some of those lucky 1-0's we have got this season - and we would be seriously question OG suitability for the job if that was the case. Personally, I think we have to assess the job he is doing regardless of the fact that we are 8th - and being honest, I am not sure he is the man to take us forward.[/p][/quote]You might want to read the comment right above yours.[/p][/quote]Vegas - You don't know what your talking about. Anthony is spot on with his argument. You don't go the games - how can we rely on your judgement when you rely on podcasts and whatever rubiish. Besides - we are talking tactics, not FPP or debt. For god sake man, wake up![/p][/quote]My, 'judgement,' sorry mate but if you read ll my comments from yesterday and today, you will see that I have not, 'judged,' any player or the team performance as a whole. My comments today have been related to Oscar and what I think/hope, he does come the end of this season, and questioning some fo the sniping that is being directed at him. People, such as you, are voicing an opinion about Oscar and what he has done or failed to do, I am offering a different opinion, and I don't need to be at a match, or matches, to have an opinion on Oscar. I happen tot hink that this year has been hard for Oscar, hard for various reasons but he has come thru, regardless of the hurdles he has had to negotiate, you don't, but that's cool, we are all entitled to our opinion. As others on thsi forum know, and if you are a regular you should know too, I never comment on a match I have not seen, and I didn't see the Hull replay. Please get your facts straight before having a dig. VegasSeagull

6:23pm Tue 25 Feb 14

jmulligan90 says...

Hull were much stronger on the ball and easily more attack minded then brighton. They were on top for 75 mins brighton only turned up once theyd scored. As for our second goal if that was offside then your goal was too because calderon was standing in an offside position when the free kick was taken and he cleary jumps to head the ball but misses so I think thats interfering with play. End of day your keeper lost you the game he was terrible wouldnt of got into our reserves side I was at the game and didnt hear him shouting at his defence once.
Hull were much stronger on the ball and easily more attack minded then brighton. They were on top for 75 mins brighton only turned up once theyd scored. As for our second goal if that was offside then your goal was too because calderon was standing in an offside position when the free kick was taken and he cleary jumps to head the ball but misses so I think thats interfering with play. End of day your keeper lost you the game he was terrible wouldnt of got into our reserves side I was at the game and didnt hear him shouting at his defence once. jmulligan90

6:25pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Aldrington Halt says...

UTA!!!!
UTA!!!! Aldrington Halt

6:57pm Tue 25 Feb 14

gordongull says...

Tut-tut Ex-pat Arnie, calling Tommy11 a Troll.
Trolls are something we've had some experience of very recently, while Tommy11 has got to grips with some genuine issues which are valid subjects for discussion.
Tut-tut Ex-pat Arnie, calling Tommy11 a Troll. Trolls are something we've had some experience of very recently, while Tommy11 has got to grips with some genuine issues which are valid subjects for discussion. gordongull

7:34pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Far gull says...

jmulligan90 wrote:
Hull were much stronger on the ball and easily more attack minded then brighton. They were on top for 75 mins brighton only turned up once theyd scored. As for our second goal if that was offside then your goal was too because calderon was standing in an offside position when the free kick was taken and he cleary jumps to head the ball but misses so I think thats interfering with play. End of day your keeper lost you the game he was terrible wouldnt of got into our reserves side I was at the game and didnt hear him shouting at his defence once.
Thanks Jmulligan for another Hull post. Good luck to you in the next round ,you were far the better team last night ,and yes our keeper was rubbish ,I thought in earlier games he played this season he had turned the corner. I was wrong.
[quote][p][bold]jmulligan90[/bold] wrote: Hull were much stronger on the ball and easily more attack minded then brighton. They were on top for 75 mins brighton only turned up once theyd scored. As for our second goal if that was offside then your goal was too because calderon was standing in an offside position when the free kick was taken and he cleary jumps to head the ball but misses so I think thats interfering with play. End of day your keeper lost you the game he was terrible wouldnt of got into our reserves side I was at the game and didnt hear him shouting at his defence once.[/p][/quote]Thanks Jmulligan for another Hull post. Good luck to you in the next round ,you were far the better team last night ,and yes our keeper was rubbish ,I thought in earlier games he played this season he had turned the corner. I was wrong. Far gull

7:45pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

gordongull wrote:
Tut-tut Ex-pat Arnie, calling Tommy11 a Troll.
Trolls are something we've had some experience of very recently, while Tommy11 has got to grips with some genuine issues which are valid subjects for discussion.
It was a specific comment of his that I considered trolling, not Tommy11 per se. Apologies to all, I should have made that clearer.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Tut-tut Ex-pat Arnie, calling Tommy11 a Troll. Trolls are something we've had some experience of very recently, while Tommy11 has got to grips with some genuine issues which are valid subjects for discussion.[/p][/quote]It was a specific comment of his that I considered trolling, not Tommy11 per se. Apologies to all, I should have made that clearer. Ex-pat Arnie

10:12pm Tue 25 Feb 14

OldGull says...

Anthony 14 wrote:
The more I hear from OG & NJ, the more I am irritated by them - I have no idea what game they were watching last night.

If anything, OG should be apologising to the fans that made the trip up to Hull for our woeful performance. Yes, we were a little bit better in the second half but that wasn't exactly hard. We had nothing to lose so should have thrown the kitchen sink at them. Ulloa was one of the few players who did us proud. In the second half he scored a goal, had a couple of shots and forced a corner out of nothing late on. He was the only players who showed any desire.

Why is Garcia now coming up with excuses like the player was offside!? He has more to worry about than that - like trying to install a bit of commitment and urgency in the side. I know he has his job to look after, but his comments after the game are frankly embarrassing. We were terrible at Derby, yet he said he was "proud" of our performance - while the rest of the media hammered us and criticised our lack of ambition. It was like that last night. I doubt Clarke Carslie has watched us much this season, but his honest assessment was spot on - that we were toothless and looked lethargic. Its been like that all season, but our position in the league is giving us the false suggestion that we are a good team, when in fact we are pretty average.

Lets make no mistake, we could easily be in the bottom half without some of those lucky 1-0's we have got this season - and we would be seriously question OG suitability for the job if that was the case. Personally, I think we have to assess the job he is doing regardless of the fact that we are 8th - and being honest, I am not sure he is the man to take us forward.
Equally if only half of the shots that have hit the wooodwork went in, we would be comfortably in a play off spot
[quote][p][bold]Anthony 14[/bold] wrote: The more I hear from OG & NJ, the more I am irritated by them - I have no idea what game they were watching last night. If anything, OG should be apologising to the fans that made the trip up to Hull for our woeful performance. Yes, we were a little bit better in the second half but that wasn't exactly hard. We had nothing to lose so should have thrown the kitchen sink at them. Ulloa was one of the few players who did us proud. In the second half he scored a goal, had a couple of shots and forced a corner out of nothing late on. He was the only players who showed any desire. Why is Garcia now coming up with excuses like the player was offside!? He has more to worry about than that - like trying to install a bit of commitment and urgency in the side. I know he has his job to look after, but his comments after the game are frankly embarrassing. We were terrible at Derby, yet he said he was "proud" of our performance - while the rest of the media hammered us and criticised our lack of ambition. It was like that last night. I doubt Clarke Carslie has watched us much this season, but his honest assessment was spot on - that we were toothless and looked lethargic. Its been like that all season, but our position in the league is giving us the false suggestion that we are a good team, when in fact we are pretty average. Lets make no mistake, we could easily be in the bottom half without some of those lucky 1-0's we have got this season - and we would be seriously question OG suitability for the job if that was the case. Personally, I think we have to assess the job he is doing regardless of the fact that we are 8th - and being honest, I am not sure he is the man to take us forward.[/p][/quote]Equally if only half of the shots that have hit the wooodwork went in, we would be comfortably in a play off spot OldGull

3:22pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Oscar's Chin says...

WestStander17 wrote:
Steveg1958 wrote:
Clean Sheet wrote:
Unusual for OG to come out with this sort of comment, so clearly feeling very aggrieved. Yes, Brighton were poor in the first half, but really had a go when KLL came on. He made quite a difference. Overall there was not much between Brighton and Hull over 3 hours, and Hull is a mid table PL side. We can compete!
Yeah KLL made a difference, ! remind me how many times he fell over again !!!. We do not have the players to compete at PL level, and barely good enough ones in the Championship if Brezovan, Andrews and Stevens are anything to go by !!!! Rubbish signings and a cluless manager who flatly refuses to try anything different, aided and abetted by NJ. (before anyone mentions it, I know Gus signed Brezovan, bet he was falling off his sofa with laughter last night), FA Cup Qtr final, Capital One Cup Final and PL Safely, HMMMMM OG or GP who got the better deal I wonder, Sunderland Fans or US ??????????
I think you will get a lot of thumbs down for that, Steve, but you are correct in that if we went up, we would need a lot of better players. However, I think that is the case with all the teams that go up. It's impossible to have a Premier League ready squad in the Championship.

I don't agree with your criticism of Oscar though. We are actually playing very well against nearly all opposition (the 1st half last night as an exception). We dominated Wigan and Hull in the 1st game. We just need to score some goals from midfield rather than rely on just the chances Leo gets.
Touché! Although they finished four points better off than us last season to clinch auto promotion, Hull were no better at all than us and very similar in style.

Without having gone crazy in the transfer market in the summer (and only a bit "spendy" in Jan), they look a far better side now and will comfortably survive in this year's Prem, I'll wager.
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: Unusual for OG to come out with this sort of comment, so clearly feeling very aggrieved. Yes, Brighton were poor in the first half, but really had a go when KLL came on. He made quite a difference. Overall there was not much between Brighton and Hull over 3 hours, and Hull is a mid table PL side. We can compete![/p][/quote]Yeah KLL made a difference, ! remind me how many times he fell over again !!!. We do not have the players to compete at PL level, and barely good enough ones in the Championship if Brezovan, Andrews and Stevens are anything to go by !!!! Rubbish signings and a cluless manager who flatly refuses to try anything different, aided and abetted by NJ. (before anyone mentions it, I know Gus signed Brezovan, bet he was falling off his sofa with laughter last night), FA Cup Qtr final, Capital One Cup Final and PL Safely, HMMMMM OG or GP who got the better deal I wonder, Sunderland Fans or US ??????????[/p][/quote]I think you will get a lot of thumbs down for that, Steve, but you are correct in that if we went up, we would need a lot of better players. However, I think that is the case with all the teams that go up. It's impossible to have a Premier League ready squad in the Championship. I don't agree with your criticism of Oscar though. We are actually playing very well against nearly all opposition (the 1st half last night as an exception). We dominated Wigan and Hull in the 1st game. We just need to score some goals from midfield rather than rely on just the chances Leo gets.[/p][/quote]Touché! Although they finished four points better off than us last season to clinch auto promotion, Hull were no better at all than us and very similar in style. Without having gone crazy in the transfer market in the summer (and only a bit "spendy" in Jan), they look a far better side now and will comfortably survive in this year's Prem, I'll wager. Oscar's Chin

3:36pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Oscar's Chin says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Looks like some are still unnecessarily angry about last night. Yes, the first 45 minutes was dire, but we lost by the odd goal in 5 over two matches against a mid-table Premier League side.

Anthony14 - you criticize OG for questioning our luck last night, but then use 'luck' to bolster your unconvincing argument about us being a poor team.

Tommy 11 - you're just a troll.

I'm with Vegas and Chi Gull. The facts just don't support this level of vitriol and despondency.
We'll said, Arnie!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Looks like some are still unnecessarily angry about last night. Yes, the first 45 minutes was dire, but we lost by the odd goal in 5 over two matches against a mid-table Premier League side. Anthony14 - you criticize OG for questioning our luck last night, but then use 'luck' to bolster your unconvincing argument about us being a poor team. Tommy 11 - you're just a troll. I'm with Vegas and Chi Gull. The facts just don't support this level of vitriol and despondency.[/p][/quote]We'll said, Arnie! Oscar's Chin

3:38pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Oscar's Chin says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Tiger al wrote:
OG says our goal was offside and I agree, But the slow mo by the TV also showed your guy was also offside for yours so whats OG taking about ?? You dont score enough goals to be in contention for the play offs , We actually played with 6 reserves last night and we still outplayed you ,Move on and try your best to get into the playoffs, You are missing a goal scorer,Best wishes
Tiger Al,
Might be a good idea to check your facts before visiting.

(1) The bloke who challenged our player for the second goal was, by challenging the defender, interfering with play = offside. If you want to argue it, then technically it shouldn't have been a free-kick in the first place.
(2) The bloke who was offside for us wasn't interfering as his position made no material difference = not offside.
(3) You may have had 6 reserves, but you don't seriously think that was anywhere near our strongest side either, do you?
(4) We're obviously not missing a goal scorer (Ulloa has scored in 5 consecutive matches and has a 1 in 2 ratio for us), but we are lacking goals from elsewhere in the team, mostly due to the injury to Crofts (see #3 above).

Good luck with the rest of the season, though, for all that. Stay above Sunderland and Palace.
Spot on, Arnie lad!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger al[/bold] wrote: OG says our goal was offside and I agree, But the slow mo by the TV also showed your guy was also offside for yours so whats OG taking about ?? You dont score enough goals to be in contention for the play offs , We actually played with 6 reserves last night and we still outplayed you ,Move on and try your best to get into the playoffs, You are missing a goal scorer,Best wishes Tiger Al,[/p][/quote]Might be a good idea to check your facts before visiting. (1) The bloke who challenged our player for the second goal was, by challenging the defender, interfering with play = offside. If you want to argue it, then technically it shouldn't have been a free-kick in the first place. (2) The bloke who was offside for us wasn't interfering as his position made no material difference = not offside. (3) You may have had 6 reserves, but you don't seriously think that was anywhere near our strongest side either, do you? (4) We're obviously not missing a goal scorer (Ulloa has scored in 5 consecutive matches and has a 1 in 2 ratio for us), but we are lacking goals from elsewhere in the team, mostly due to the injury to Crofts (see #3 above). Good luck with the rest of the season, though, for all that. Stay above Sunderland and Palace.[/p][/quote]Spot on, Arnie lad! Oscar's Chin

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