Jones still aiming for Wembley

Nathan Jones says promotion has always been the priority

Nathan Jones says promotion has always been the priority

First published in Sport by , Chief sports reporter

Nathan Jones has urged Albion to concentrate all their efforts on a more realistic route to Wembley in the Championship.

The Seagulls are out of the FA Cup following Monday’s fifth round replay defeat at Hull.

They go to fourth-bottom Millwall on Saturday still within four points of the play-offs with a game in hand of Reading in sixth.

The play-off final is staged at Wembley at the end of May and assistant head coach Jones said: “Ultimately our main aim this year is to get promoted.

“The FA Cup was a fantastic side issue, one we really enjoyed and wanted to do well in.

“But now the cliche is to concentrate on the league but that’s exactly what we have to do.

“We have a really busy schedule, with seven games in each of the next two months, that will ultimately show what this season is about.”

Jones wants Albion to build on their much-improved second half performance in the 2-1 defeat at Hull.

He said: “If we take the second half display and add that to what we have been doing so far in the League to the next few games then we’ll be fine but we have to make sure that we are right at it and don’t take our foot off the pedal in any way.”

Albion’s FA Cup exit means Reading’s key visit to the Amex goes ahead as scheduled on Saturday March 8.

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5:57am Wed 26 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

We can still make it, but OG and jones needs a player or two, if we are serious about promotion then I expect a forward and a midfielder in before the window closes,
The football has been very good, the crossing and general shooting and finishing as poor as I can remember , I thought we had zero creativity Monday first half,
We need to be ready for a similar game Saturday, millwall won't let us tippy tap the ball and will press us all over the pitch.. That should give us a chance to get wide 1 on 1 ... Lua lua has been here along time and looks the part, but in reality fails more than he did 2 years ago,
Stephens back in , and I fancy him to get us a goal,
If we are serious about promotion we need to win games , not hang on after we go one up at the Amex.. Why don't we ever put the game to bed?
We can still make it, but OG and jones needs a player or two, if we are serious about promotion then I expect a forward and a midfielder in before the window closes, The football has been very good, the crossing and general shooting and finishing as poor as I can remember , I thought we had zero creativity Monday first half, We need to be ready for a similar game Saturday, millwall won't let us tippy tap the ball and will press us all over the pitch.. That should give us a chance to get wide 1 on 1 ... Lua lua has been here along time and looks the part, but in reality fails more than he did 2 years ago, Stephens back in , and I fancy him to get us a goal, If we are serious about promotion we need to win games , not hang on after we go one up at the Amex.. Why don't we ever put the game to bed? mark by the sea
  • Score: 26

6:05am Wed 26 Feb 14

Hugothepug says...

I'm not really a gloom and doom merchant but for me our pursuit of the playoffs ending th minute crofts got injured. Just not enough goals from midfield to warrant a place in PO. Of course two exceptional loan signings could change that.
I'm not really a gloom and doom merchant but for me our pursuit of the playoffs ending th minute crofts got injured. Just not enough goals from midfield to warrant a place in PO. Of course two exceptional loan signings could change that. Hugothepug
  • Score: 17

6:30am Wed 26 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Hugothepug wrote:
I'm not really a gloom and doom merchant but for me our pursuit of the playoffs ending th minute crofts got injured. Just not enough goals from midfield to warrant a place in PO. Of course two exceptional loan signings could change that.
Agreed , the next month will decide a lot of season ticket renewals , I will be taking my ticket for the next season, but this fair play stuff is pretty much smoke and mirrors....
We have the highest attendance and the highest charges, not only in the championship, but at a few premier clubs as well, ( check west brom, .hull,
Swansea) so we are losing 14 million? If that is only on football , how on earth can 75% of teams even get to 8 million loss,
I can't remember the figures regarding turn over = wages? But the sums don't add up, running costs ( not wages or transfer fees) were incredibly high?
I was told that TB took 10 million from the club as down payment on lancing,
I don't have a problem with that, but if we are serious about the premier league the cliches ( premier ready, etc ) need to stop and OG given a decent budget to build a new squad ...
I see Wigan signed tunicliffe from Fulham, brother of the ex Albion centre half.
ReaLy good midfielder, again Rome burns while we talk the talk.
If we are serious about promotion having one fit striker is a laugh,
Think back to the day we signed Leo, we had Barnes cms and Hoskins fit!
We lost two in 6 weeks to injury, palace lost Murray end of season, it can happen.... We are not championship ready with one fit striker on our books..
Rodders looks lost with the pace of the game, obika is not championship material.
[quote][p][bold]Hugothepug[/bold] wrote: I'm not really a gloom and doom merchant but for me our pursuit of the playoffs ending th minute crofts got injured. Just not enough goals from midfield to warrant a place in PO. Of course two exceptional loan signings could change that.[/p][/quote]Agreed , the next month will decide a lot of season ticket renewals , I will be taking my ticket for the next season, but this fair play stuff is pretty much smoke and mirrors.... We have the highest attendance and the highest charges, not only in the championship, but at a few premier clubs as well, ( check west brom, .hull, Swansea) so we are losing 14 million? If that is only on football , how on earth can 75% of teams even get to 8 million loss, I can't remember the figures regarding turn over = wages? But the sums don't add up, running costs ( not wages or transfer fees) were incredibly high? I was told that TB took 10 million from the club as down payment on lancing, I don't have a problem with that, but if we are serious about the premier league the cliches ( premier ready, etc ) need to stop and OG given a decent budget to build a new squad ... I see Wigan signed tunicliffe from Fulham, brother of the ex Albion centre half. ReaLy good midfielder, again Rome burns while we talk the talk. If we are serious about promotion having one fit striker is a laugh, Think back to the day we signed Leo, we had Barnes cms and Hoskins fit! We lost two in 6 weeks to injury, palace lost Murray end of season, it can happen.... We are not championship ready with one fit striker on our books.. Rodders looks lost with the pace of the game, obika is not championship material. mark by the sea
  • Score: 26

7:02am Wed 26 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Hugothepug wrote:
I'm not really a gloom and doom merchant but for me our pursuit of the playoffs ending th minute crofts got injured. Just not enough goals from midfield to warrant a place in PO. Of course two exceptional loan signings could change that.
Agreed , the next month will decide a lot of season ticket renewals , I will be taking my ticket for the next season, but this fair play stuff is pretty much smoke and mirrors....
We have the highest attendance and the highest charges, not only in the championship, but at a few premier clubs as well, ( check west brom, .hull,
Swansea) so we are losing 14 million? If that is only on football , how on earth can 75% of teams even get to 8 million loss,
I can't remember the figures regarding turn over = wages? But the sums don't add up, running costs ( not wages or transfer fees) were incredibly high?
I was told that TB took 10 million from the club as down payment on lancing,
I don't have a problem with that, but if we are serious about the premier league the cliches ( premier ready, etc ) need to stop and OG given a decent budget to build a new squad ...
I see Wigan signed tunicliffe from Fulham, brother of the ex Albion centre half.
ReaLy good midfielder, again Rome burns while we talk the talk.
If we are serious about promotion having one fit striker is a laugh,
Think back to the day we signed Leo, we had Barnes cms and Hoskins fit!
We lost two in 6 weeks to injury, palace lost Murray end of season, it can happen.... We are not championship ready with one fit striker on our books..
Rodders looks lost with the pace of the game, obika is not championship material.
When you say "the sums don't add up" what are you suggesting?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hugothepug[/bold] wrote: I'm not really a gloom and doom merchant but for me our pursuit of the playoffs ending th minute crofts got injured. Just not enough goals from midfield to warrant a place in PO. Of course two exceptional loan signings could change that.[/p][/quote]Agreed , the next month will decide a lot of season ticket renewals , I will be taking my ticket for the next season, but this fair play stuff is pretty much smoke and mirrors.... We have the highest attendance and the highest charges, not only in the championship, but at a few premier clubs as well, ( check west brom, .hull, Swansea) so we are losing 14 million? If that is only on football , how on earth can 75% of teams even get to 8 million loss, I can't remember the figures regarding turn over = wages? But the sums don't add up, running costs ( not wages or transfer fees) were incredibly high? I was told that TB took 10 million from the club as down payment on lancing, I don't have a problem with that, but if we are serious about the premier league the cliches ( premier ready, etc ) need to stop and OG given a decent budget to build a new squad ... I see Wigan signed tunicliffe from Fulham, brother of the ex Albion centre half. ReaLy good midfielder, again Rome burns while we talk the talk. If we are serious about promotion having one fit striker is a laugh, Think back to the day we signed Leo, we had Barnes cms and Hoskins fit! We lost two in 6 weeks to injury, palace lost Murray end of season, it can happen.... We are not championship ready with one fit striker on our books.. Rodders looks lost with the pace of the game, obika is not championship material.[/p][/quote]When you say "the sums don't add up" what are you suggesting? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 5

7:25am Wed 26 Feb 14

seegull fly in sky says...

Fpf noa ecxuses. Purporters noa renwew sarson tocket a na got pramera leaag. Broom spynd munny sine lot ov plyers. ooo aaaa
Fpf noa ecxuses. Purporters noa renwew sarson tocket a na got pramera leaag. Broom spynd munny sine lot ov plyers. ooo aaaa seegull fly in sky
  • Score: -12

8:04am Wed 26 Feb 14

graham w says...

I agree with most comments above but until we get two up top banging in 15 to 20 each , all our beautiful football will mean nothing..jose ulloa is a brilliant centre forward but he needs another regular goalscorer with him.....I hope cms or hosko can fill role, if dont come back and give us that threat then we have to spend big on that position......UTA...
.. Seagulls...
I agree with most comments above but until we get two up top banging in 15 to 20 each , all our beautiful football will mean nothing..jose ulloa is a brilliant centre forward but he needs another regular goalscorer with him.....I hope cms or hosko can fill role, if dont come back and give us that threat then we have to spend big on that position......UTA... .. Seagulls... graham w
  • Score: 12

8:04am Wed 26 Feb 14

graham w says...

I agree with most comments above but until we get two up top banging in 15 to 20 each , all our beautiful football will mean nothing..jose ulloa is a brilliant centre forward but he needs another regular goalscorer with him.....I hope cms or hosko can fill role, if dont come back and give us that threat then we have to spend big on that position......UTA...
.. Seagulls...
I agree with most comments above but until we get two up top banging in 15 to 20 each , all our beautiful football will mean nothing..jose ulloa is a brilliant centre forward but he needs another regular goalscorer with him.....I hope cms or hosko can fill role, if dont come back and give us that threat then we have to spend big on that position......UTA... .. Seagulls... graham w
  • Score: 2

8:04am Wed 26 Feb 14

Steveg1958 says...

Unfortunately, I think NJ is being totally unrealistic !, the way we are set up to play these days means that even if we do make the play off's (which I doubt), there is no way we will score enough to make Wembley. Attitude, Tactics and lack of attacking quality in mid field is the reason, when we scored on Monday with about twenty minutes to go, I hoped (but didn't expect) the kitchen sink thrown at Hull, but what did we get, more tippy tappy sideways and backwards passing and not much else. When will all those with rose tinted realise that we will be out fought and out thought by teams, fighting for the play offs or against relegation. I sincerely hope that I am wrong and we sign a couple of experienced, fired up players to put some fight, experience and desire into the team and we get there but I fear my hopes will be dashed. Maybe if we had a former top player as Oscar's assistant instead of a lower league translator he might be a bit more realistic. (yes I expect lots of thumbs down, but that's jut my opinion).
Unfortunately, I think NJ is being totally unrealistic !, the way we are set up to play these days means that even if we do make the play off's (which I doubt), there is no way we will score enough to make Wembley. Attitude, Tactics and lack of attacking quality in mid field is the reason, when we scored on Monday with about twenty minutes to go, I hoped (but didn't expect) the kitchen sink thrown at Hull, but what did we get, more tippy tappy sideways and backwards passing and not much else. When will all those with rose tinted realise that we will be out fought and out thought by teams, fighting for the play offs or against relegation. I sincerely hope that I am wrong and we sign a couple of experienced, fired up players to put some fight, experience and desire into the team and we get there but I fear my hopes will be dashed. Maybe if we had a former top player as Oscar's assistant instead of a lower league translator he might be a bit more realistic. (yes I expect lots of thumbs down, but that's jut my opinion). Steveg1958
  • Score: 43

8:14am Wed 26 Feb 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

mark by the sea says...


Hugothepug wrote:
I'm not really a gloom and doom merchant but for me our pursuit of the playoffs ending th minute crofts got injured. Just not enough goals from midfield to warrant a place in PO. Of course two exceptional loan signings could change that.
Agreed , the next month will decide a lot of season ticket renewals , I will be taking my ticket for the next season, but this fair play stuff is pretty much smoke and mirrors....
We have the highest attendance and the highest charges, not only in the championship, but at a few premier clubs as well, ( check west brom, .hull,
Swansea) so we are losing 14 million? If that is only on football , how on earth can 75% of teams even get to 8 million loss,
I can't remember the figures regarding turn over = wages? But the sums don't add up, running costs ( not wages or transfer fees) were incredibly high?
I was told that TB took 10 million from the club as down payment on lancing,
I don't have a problem with that, but if we are serious about the premier league the cliches ( premier ready, etc ) need to stop and OG given a decent budget to build a new squad ...
I see Wigan signed tunicliffe from Fulham, brother of the ex Albion centre half.
ReaLy good midfielder, again Rome burns while we talk the talk.
If we are serious about promotion having one fit striker is a laugh,
Think back to the day we signed Leo, we had Barnes cms and Hoskins fit!
We lost two in 6 weeks to injury, palace lost Murray end of season, it can happen.... We are not championship ready with one fit striker on our books..
Rodders looks lost with the pace of the game, obika is not championship material

Trouble is Mark you've been banging on about season ticket renewals since Dean Wilkins's time. Attendances then were around 5,000 - they are now around 27,000. Thankfully most supporters don't think in such a mechanistic way.
Your calls to spend someone else's money are money are likely to go unheeded - thankfully. I think new players will only be brought in when the high earners have been sold - or released. Unfortunately we are now paying the price for Poyet's profligacy.
Although promotion is a pipe dream for this season I believe it is feasible within the next 4 - 5 years. Exciting young players are coming through the DS and OG will be expected to make shrewd signings such as Stephens.
As far as Saturday is concerned - I think wily old fox Holloway will put one over on us - yet again! Though I do think we can beat both Reading and QPR. But neither of them will be going up - and neither will we. Wigan - under their excellent new manager would be my bet.
mark by the sea says... Hugothepug wrote: I'm not really a gloom and doom merchant but for me our pursuit of the playoffs ending th minute crofts got injured. Just not enough goals from midfield to warrant a place in PO. Of course two exceptional loan signings could change that. Agreed , the next month will decide a lot of season ticket renewals , I will be taking my ticket for the next season, but this fair play stuff is pretty much smoke and mirrors.... We have the highest attendance and the highest charges, not only in the championship, but at a few premier clubs as well, ( check west brom, .hull, Swansea) so we are losing 14 million? If that is only on football , how on earth can 75% of teams even get to 8 million loss, I can't remember the figures regarding turn over = wages? But the sums don't add up, running costs ( not wages or transfer fees) were incredibly high? I was told that TB took 10 million from the club as down payment on lancing, I don't have a problem with that, but if we are serious about the premier league the cliches ( premier ready, etc ) need to stop and OG given a decent budget to build a new squad ... I see Wigan signed tunicliffe from Fulham, brother of the ex Albion centre half. ReaLy good midfielder, again Rome burns while we talk the talk. If we are serious about promotion having one fit striker is a laugh, Think back to the day we signed Leo, we had Barnes cms and Hoskins fit! We lost two in 6 weeks to injury, palace lost Murray end of season, it can happen.... We are not championship ready with one fit striker on our books.. Rodders looks lost with the pace of the game, obika is not championship material Trouble is Mark you've been banging on about season ticket renewals since Dean Wilkins's time. Attendances then were around 5,000 - they are now around 27,000. Thankfully most supporters don't think in such a mechanistic way. Your calls to spend someone else's money are money are likely to go unheeded - thankfully. I think new players will only be brought in when the high earners have been sold - or released. Unfortunately we are now paying the price for Poyet's profligacy. Although promotion is a pipe dream for this season I believe it is feasible within the next 4 - 5 years. Exciting young players are coming through the DS and OG will be expected to make shrewd signings such as Stephens. As far as Saturday is concerned - I think wily old fox Holloway will put one over on us - yet again! Though I do think we can beat both Reading and QPR. But neither of them will be going up - and neither will we. Wigan - under their excellent new manager would be my bet. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 9

8:25am Wed 26 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hugothepug wrote:
I'm not really a gloom and doom merchant but for me our pursuit of the playoffs ending th minute crofts got injured. Just not enough goals from midfield to warrant a place in PO. Of course two exceptional loan signings could change that.
Agreed , the next month will decide a lot of season ticket renewals , I will be taking my ticket for the next season, but this fair play stuff is pretty much smoke and mirrors....
We have the highest attendance and the highest charges, not only in the championship, but at a few premier clubs as well, ( check west brom, .hull,
Swansea) so we are losing 14 million? If that is only on football , how on earth can 75% of teams even get to 8 million loss,
I can't remember the figures regarding turn over = wages? But the sums don't add up, running costs ( not wages or transfer fees) were incredibly high?
I was told that TB took 10 million from the club as down payment on lancing,
I don't have a problem with that, but if we are serious about the premier league the cliches ( premier ready, etc ) need to stop and OG given a decent budget to build a new squad ...
I see Wigan signed tunicliffe from Fulham, brother of the ex Albion centre half.
ReaLy good midfielder, again Rome burns while we talk the talk.
If we are serious about promotion having one fit striker is a laugh,
Think back to the day we signed Leo, we had Barnes cms and Hoskins fit!
We lost two in 6 weeks to injury, palace lost Murray end of season, it can happen.... We are not championship ready with one fit striker on our books..
Rodders looks lost with the pace of the game, obika is not championship material.
When you say "the sums don't add up" what are you suggesting?
How much of last seasons loss was the extensions to the ground? Ie planning consultations , to give you a idea, a planning consultant costs 2000 a day,
Lancing and the extension with architects fees would be in the millions, that's for paperwork..
Was any of that included? I know for a fact the club received grants from the EU for employment in a " poor area" the accounts are not transparent , or the information from the club,
Most clubs run on 50% of turnover = wages.. We should be in a far better position than 90% of clubs in this league,

Let's put it this way, we won't ever get a higher average gate than this season, even in the premiership .. Unless we make the premiership ... We will lose money.
This talk from Burke and barber that wages and transfer fees will go down! Based on us getting turned down by a forward from Bournemouth who received a better offer from a club with a gate of 7500 average, and a MK dons player who has joined millwall ( there average again less than ten thousand) it would appear clubs in worse positions than us are spending more! Let's hear the FFP reply from Vegas ... Next season we will be playing three teams that have premiership squads and parachute payments, next season will be rebuilding for us.
I am waiting for the sale of Leo with the qoute " disappointing season ticket sales "
The suits can bang on about breaking even, but in reality unless we accept a battle to go up and lose money it's not going to happen..
Unless we perform a miracle I think season ticket sales will drop by 2500 - 3500 depending how we perform over next 4 weeks, I believe the first bank debit is around end of march?
Some might say that's a pie in the sky figure, however the attendance figure has been about 3-4000 over since mid December of those actually attending..
Some games I would say more , one evening game was really dead.
And before you all want me to find 100 million, I am only suggesting FFP rules are not really known, barber said that clubs that ran themselves correctly were going to share the fines of clubs that ignored fair play, now that's changed... Or so he said on the pod cast.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hugothepug[/bold] wrote: I'm not really a gloom and doom merchant but for me our pursuit of the playoffs ending th minute crofts got injured. Just not enough goals from midfield to warrant a place in PO. Of course two exceptional loan signings could change that.[/p][/quote]Agreed , the next month will decide a lot of season ticket renewals , I will be taking my ticket for the next season, but this fair play stuff is pretty much smoke and mirrors.... We have the highest attendance and the highest charges, not only in the championship, but at a few premier clubs as well, ( check west brom, .hull, Swansea) so we are losing 14 million? If that is only on football , how on earth can 75% of teams even get to 8 million loss, I can't remember the figures regarding turn over = wages? But the sums don't add up, running costs ( not wages or transfer fees) were incredibly high? I was told that TB took 10 million from the club as down payment on lancing, I don't have a problem with that, but if we are serious about the premier league the cliches ( premier ready, etc ) need to stop and OG given a decent budget to build a new squad ... I see Wigan signed tunicliffe from Fulham, brother of the ex Albion centre half. ReaLy good midfielder, again Rome burns while we talk the talk. If we are serious about promotion having one fit striker is a laugh, Think back to the day we signed Leo, we had Barnes cms and Hoskins fit! We lost two in 6 weeks to injury, palace lost Murray end of season, it can happen.... We are not championship ready with one fit striker on our books.. Rodders looks lost with the pace of the game, obika is not championship material.[/p][/quote]When you say "the sums don't add up" what are you suggesting?[/p][/quote]How much of last seasons loss was the extensions to the ground? Ie planning consultations , to give you a idea, a planning consultant costs 2000 a day, Lancing and the extension with architects fees would be in the millions, that's for paperwork.. Was any of that included? I know for a fact the club received grants from the EU for employment in a " poor area" the accounts are not transparent , or the information from the club, Most clubs run on 50% of turnover = wages.. We should be in a far better position than 90% of clubs in this league, Let's put it this way, we won't ever get a higher average gate than this season, even in the premiership .. Unless we make the premiership ... We will lose money. This talk from Burke and barber that wages and transfer fees will go down! Based on us getting turned down by a forward from Bournemouth who received a better offer from a club with a gate of 7500 average, and a MK dons player who has joined millwall ( there average again less than ten thousand) it would appear clubs in worse positions than us are spending more! Let's hear the FFP reply from Vegas ... Next season we will be playing three teams that have premiership squads and parachute payments, next season will be rebuilding for us. I am waiting for the sale of Leo with the qoute " disappointing season ticket sales " The suits can bang on about breaking even, but in reality unless we accept a battle to go up and lose money it's not going to happen.. Unless we perform a miracle I think season ticket sales will drop by 2500 - 3500 depending how we perform over next 4 weeks, I believe the first bank debit is around end of march? Some might say that's a pie in the sky figure, however the attendance figure has been about 3-4000 over since mid December of those actually attending.. Some games I would say more , one evening game was really dead. And before you all want me to find 100 million, I am only suggesting FFP rules are not really known, barber said that clubs that ran themselves correctly were going to share the fines of clubs that ignored fair play, now that's changed... Or so he said on the pod cast. mark by the sea
  • Score: 7

8:41am Wed 26 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Sorry I forgot to add we were last season mid table in terms of spending on wages etc.
Sorry I forgot to add we were last season mid table in terms of spending on wages etc. mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

8:43am Wed 26 Feb 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

I don't understand why so many posters on here seem to be having nervous breakdowns at the prospect of us not going up this season. For most of our history we've been a lower league club and to be playing reasonably attractive football in a lovely new stadium in the second tier of English football is surely a very agreeable situation. Also to have a regime that is pledged to avoiding the ruinous financial profligacy that has blighted other clubs is something that should be welcomed rather than moaned about.
When I first started supporting the club - way back in the mid 60s we were a so -so third division outfit, but even then much better supported than our rivals - gates of around 12,000. We never challenged seriously for promotion - but no one had kittens over it. I guess these days everyone wants instant food, instant wealth - hey if we haven't got it we'll borrow it - and instant success. Learn some gratitude, learn some patience - we'll get there in the end !
I don't understand why so many posters on here seem to be having nervous breakdowns at the prospect of us not going up this season. For most of our history we've been a lower league club and to be playing reasonably attractive football in a lovely new stadium in the second tier of English football is surely a very agreeable situation. Also to have a regime that is pledged to avoiding the ruinous financial profligacy that has blighted other clubs is something that should be welcomed rather than moaned about. When I first started supporting the club - way back in the mid 60s we were a so -so third division outfit, but even then much better supported than our rivals - gates of around 12,000. We never challenged seriously for promotion - but no one had kittens over it. I guess these days everyone wants instant food, instant wealth - hey if we haven't got it we'll borrow it - and instant success. Learn some gratitude, learn some patience - we'll get there in the end ! B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 31

8:46am Wed 26 Feb 14

Bushell17 says...

Whilst I can understand a lot of the frustrations mentioned above I think we must trust the club when it comes down to FFP and in the long term we will be better off and ready for the Premier League when we get there. Above B rian Tawses left foot said that Wigan would probably be the team to go up and I think they were extremely lucky to go away with 3 points last Saturday so that just shows how far we have come over the past 3 / 4 years. I think some of you expect us to just go straight up to the Premier League spending a fortune on the way and then I guess you will expect us to be mid table in the Premier League as well. Please be realistic and support the club, we will get there we have done tremendously well over the past 3 / 4 years and we are still progressing. Tony and the club will keep us on a sound financial platform and with CMS and Hoskins on there way back we will have more choice up front and in my opinion all we need is a 15 - 20 goal striker to play with Leo and we will be competing at the top of the Championship, we are very close to being an excellent team and making all our Premier League dreams come true. One final thing, please stop going on about people not renewing there season tickets, if they dont want to watch the Albion let them go elsewhere as others will take the tickets and be supporting us when we get to the Premier League, it will be there loss.
Whilst I can understand a lot of the frustrations mentioned above I think we must trust the club when it comes down to FFP and in the long term we will be better off and ready for the Premier League when we get there. Above B rian Tawses left foot said that Wigan would probably be the team to go up and I think they were extremely lucky to go away with 3 points last Saturday so that just shows how far we have come over the past 3 / 4 years. I think some of you expect us to just go straight up to the Premier League spending a fortune on the way and then I guess you will expect us to be mid table in the Premier League as well. Please be realistic and support the club, we will get there we have done tremendously well over the past 3 / 4 years and we are still progressing. Tony and the club will keep us on a sound financial platform and with CMS and Hoskins on there way back we will have more choice up front and in my opinion all we need is a 15 - 20 goal striker to play with Leo and we will be competing at the top of the Championship, we are very close to being an excellent team and making all our Premier League dreams come true. One final thing, please stop going on about people not renewing there season tickets, if they dont want to watch the Albion let them go elsewhere as others will take the tickets and be supporting us when we get to the Premier League, it will be there loss. Bushell17
  • Score: 5

8:55am Wed 26 Feb 14

dave from bexill says...

Bushell17 wrote:
Whilst I can understand a lot of the frustrations mentioned above I think we must trust the club when it comes down to FFP and in the long term we will be better off and ready for the Premier League when we get there. Above B rian Tawses left foot said that Wigan would probably be the team to go up and I think they were extremely lucky to go away with 3 points last Saturday so that just shows how far we have come over the past 3 / 4 years. I think some of you expect us to just go straight up to the Premier League spending a fortune on the way and then I guess you will expect us to be mid table in the Premier League as well. Please be realistic and support the club, we will get there we have done tremendously well over the past 3 / 4 years and we are still progressing. Tony and the club will keep us on a sound financial platform and with CMS and Hoskins on there way back we will have more choice up front and in my opinion all we need is a 15 - 20 goal striker to play with Leo and we will be competing at the top of the Championship, we are very close to being an excellent team and making all our Premier League dreams come true. One final thing, please stop going on about people not renewing there season tickets, if they dont want to watch the Albion let them go elsewhere as others will take the tickets and be supporting us when we get to the Premier League, it will be there loss.
"All we need is a 15-20 goal striker". Yep, it's tat simple. Any ideas?
[quote][p][bold]Bushell17[/bold] wrote: Whilst I can understand a lot of the frustrations mentioned above I think we must trust the club when it comes down to FFP and in the long term we will be better off and ready for the Premier League when we get there. Above B rian Tawses left foot said that Wigan would probably be the team to go up and I think they were extremely lucky to go away with 3 points last Saturday so that just shows how far we have come over the past 3 / 4 years. I think some of you expect us to just go straight up to the Premier League spending a fortune on the way and then I guess you will expect us to be mid table in the Premier League as well. Please be realistic and support the club, we will get there we have done tremendously well over the past 3 / 4 years and we are still progressing. Tony and the club will keep us on a sound financial platform and with CMS and Hoskins on there way back we will have more choice up front and in my opinion all we need is a 15 - 20 goal striker to play with Leo and we will be competing at the top of the Championship, we are very close to being an excellent team and making all our Premier League dreams come true. One final thing, please stop going on about people not renewing there season tickets, if they dont want to watch the Albion let them go elsewhere as others will take the tickets and be supporting us when we get to the Premier League, it will be there loss.[/p][/quote]"All we need is a 15-20 goal striker". Yep, it's tat simple. Any ideas? dave from bexill
  • Score: 7

9:04am Wed 26 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Bushell17 wrote:
Whilst I can understand a lot of the frustrations mentioned above I think we must trust the club when it comes down to FFP and in the long term we will be better off and ready for the Premier League when we get there. Above B rian Tawses left foot said that Wigan would probably be the team to go up and I think they were extremely lucky to go away with 3 points last Saturday so that just shows how far we have come over the past 3 / 4 years. I think some of you expect us to just go straight up to the Premier League spending a fortune on the way and then I guess you will expect us to be mid table in the Premier League as well. Please be realistic and support the club, we will get there we have done tremendously well over the past 3 / 4 years and we are still progressing. Tony and the club will keep us on a sound financial platform and with CMS and Hoskins on there way back we will have more choice up front and in my opinion all we need is a 15 - 20 goal striker to play with Leo and we will be competing at the top of the Championship, we are very close to being an excellent team and making all our Premier League dreams come true. One final thing, please stop going on about people not renewing there season tickets, if they dont want to watch the Albion let them go elsewhere as others will take the tickets and be supporting us when we get to the Premier League, it will be there loss.
"All we need is a 15-20 goal striker". Yep, it's tat simple. Any ideas?
Ashley Barnes? Glen Murray ?
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bushell17[/bold] wrote: Whilst I can understand a lot of the frustrations mentioned above I think we must trust the club when it comes down to FFP and in the long term we will be better off and ready for the Premier League when we get there. Above B rian Tawses left foot said that Wigan would probably be the team to go up and I think they were extremely lucky to go away with 3 points last Saturday so that just shows how far we have come over the past 3 / 4 years. I think some of you expect us to just go straight up to the Premier League spending a fortune on the way and then I guess you will expect us to be mid table in the Premier League as well. Please be realistic and support the club, we will get there we have done tremendously well over the past 3 / 4 years and we are still progressing. Tony and the club will keep us on a sound financial platform and with CMS and Hoskins on there way back we will have more choice up front and in my opinion all we need is a 15 - 20 goal striker to play with Leo and we will be competing at the top of the Championship, we are very close to being an excellent team and making all our Premier League dreams come true. One final thing, please stop going on about people not renewing there season tickets, if they dont want to watch the Albion let them go elsewhere as others will take the tickets and be supporting us when we get to the Premier League, it will be there loss.[/p][/quote]"All we need is a 15-20 goal striker". Yep, it's tat simple. Any ideas?[/p][/quote]Ashley Barnes? Glen Murray ? mark by the sea
  • Score: -3

9:12am Wed 26 Feb 14

Conelli98 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
Bushell17 wrote:
Whilst I can understand a lot of the frustrations mentioned above I think we must trust the club when it comes down to FFP and in the long term we will be better off and ready for the Premier League when we get there. Above B rian Tawses left foot said that Wigan would probably be the team to go up and I think they were extremely lucky to go away with 3 points last Saturday so that just shows how far we have come over the past 3 / 4 years. I think some of you expect us to just go straight up to the Premier League spending a fortune on the way and then I guess you will expect us to be mid table in the Premier League as well. Please be realistic and support the club, we will get there we have done tremendously well over the past 3 / 4 years and we are still progressing. Tony and the club will keep us on a sound financial platform and with CMS and Hoskins on there way back we will have more choice up front and in my opinion all we need is a 15 - 20 goal striker to play with Leo and we will be competing at the top of the Championship, we are very close to being an excellent team and making all our Premier League dreams come true. One final thing, please stop going on about people not renewing there season tickets, if they dont want to watch the Albion let them go elsewhere as others will take the tickets and be supporting us when we get to the Premier League, it will be there loss.
"All we need is a 15-20 goal striker". Yep, it's tat simple. Any ideas?
Ashley Barnes? Glen Murray ?
Becchio, Zamora...
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bushell17[/bold] wrote: Whilst I can understand a lot of the frustrations mentioned above I think we must trust the club when it comes down to FFP and in the long term we will be better off and ready for the Premier League when we get there. Above B rian Tawses left foot said that Wigan would probably be the team to go up and I think they were extremely lucky to go away with 3 points last Saturday so that just shows how far we have come over the past 3 / 4 years. I think some of you expect us to just go straight up to the Premier League spending a fortune on the way and then I guess you will expect us to be mid table in the Premier League as well. Please be realistic and support the club, we will get there we have done tremendously well over the past 3 / 4 years and we are still progressing. Tony and the club will keep us on a sound financial platform and with CMS and Hoskins on there way back we will have more choice up front and in my opinion all we need is a 15 - 20 goal striker to play with Leo and we will be competing at the top of the Championship, we are very close to being an excellent team and making all our Premier League dreams come true. One final thing, please stop going on about people not renewing there season tickets, if they dont want to watch the Albion let them go elsewhere as others will take the tickets and be supporting us when we get to the Premier League, it will be there loss.[/p][/quote]"All we need is a 15-20 goal striker". Yep, it's tat simple. Any ideas?[/p][/quote]Ashley Barnes? Glen Murray ?[/p][/quote]Becchio, Zamora... Conelli98
  • Score: 9

9:21am Wed 26 Feb 14

Conelli98 says...

Conelli98 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
Bushell17 wrote:
Whilst I can understand a lot of the frustrations mentioned above I think we must trust the club when it comes down to FFP and in the long term we will be better off and ready for the Premier League when we get there. Above B rian Tawses left foot said that Wigan would probably be the team to go up and I think they were extremely lucky to go away with 3 points last Saturday so that just shows how far we have come over the past 3 / 4 years. I think some of you expect us to just go straight up to the Premier League spending a fortune on the way and then I guess you will expect us to be mid table in the Premier League as well. Please be realistic and support the club, we will get there we have done tremendously well over the past 3 / 4 years and we are still progressing. Tony and the club will keep us on a sound financial platform and with CMS and Hoskins on there way back we will have more choice up front and in my opinion all we need is a 15 - 20 goal striker to play with Leo and we will be competing at the top of the Championship, we are very close to being an excellent team and making all our Premier League dreams come true. One final thing, please stop going on about people not renewing there season tickets, if they dont want to watch the Albion let them go elsewhere as others will take the tickets and be supporting us when we get to the Premier League, it will be there loss.
"All we need is a 15-20 goal striker". Yep, it's tat simple. Any ideas?
Ashley Barnes? Glen Murray ?
Becchio, Zamora...
Vydra, Tommy Smith, Wickham...??? players are there if club are serious!
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bushell17[/bold] wrote: Whilst I can understand a lot of the frustrations mentioned above I think we must trust the club when it comes down to FFP and in the long term we will be better off and ready for the Premier League when we get there. Above B rian Tawses left foot said that Wigan would probably be the team to go up and I think they were extremely lucky to go away with 3 points last Saturday so that just shows how far we have come over the past 3 / 4 years. I think some of you expect us to just go straight up to the Premier League spending a fortune on the way and then I guess you will expect us to be mid table in the Premier League as well. Please be realistic and support the club, we will get there we have done tremendously well over the past 3 / 4 years and we are still progressing. Tony and the club will keep us on a sound financial platform and with CMS and Hoskins on there way back we will have more choice up front and in my opinion all we need is a 15 - 20 goal striker to play with Leo and we will be competing at the top of the Championship, we are very close to being an excellent team and making all our Premier League dreams come true. One final thing, please stop going on about people not renewing there season tickets, if they dont want to watch the Albion let them go elsewhere as others will take the tickets and be supporting us when we get to the Premier League, it will be there loss.[/p][/quote]"All we need is a 15-20 goal striker". Yep, it's tat simple. Any ideas?[/p][/quote]Ashley Barnes? Glen Murray ?[/p][/quote]Becchio, Zamora...[/p][/quote]Vydra, Tommy Smith, Wickham...??? players are there if club are serious! Conelli98
  • Score: 3

9:23am Wed 26 Feb 14

woodcroft says...

Hugothepug wrote:
I'm not really a gloom and doom merchant but for me our pursuit of the playoffs ending th minute crofts got injured. Just not enough goals from midfield to warrant a place in PO. Of course two exceptional loan signings could change that.
Have to agree, we hit the top 6 on that Saturday afternoon but we all knew as croft hit his hand on the AMEX turf that moment may well have defined the season. player of the season by a mile up until then
Matt must be in pole position now ,even after last Saturday, hope it was a one off day and he is back to his best for rest of campaign
[quote][p][bold]Hugothepug[/bold] wrote: I'm not really a gloom and doom merchant but for me our pursuit of the playoffs ending th minute crofts got injured. Just not enough goals from midfield to warrant a place in PO. Of course two exceptional loan signings could change that.[/p][/quote]Have to agree, we hit the top 6 on that Saturday afternoon but we all knew as croft hit his hand on the AMEX turf that moment may well have defined the season. player of the season by a mile up until then Matt must be in pole position now ,even after last Saturday, hope it was a one off day and he is back to his best for rest of campaign woodcroft
  • Score: 12

9:23am Wed 26 Feb 14

woodcroft says...

Hugothepug wrote:
I'm not really a gloom and doom merchant but for me our pursuit of the playoffs ending th minute crofts got injured. Just not enough goals from midfield to warrant a place in PO. Of course two exceptional loan signings could change that.
Have to agree, we hit the top 6 on that Saturday afternoon but we all knew as croft hit his hand on the AMEX turf that moment may well have defined the season. player of the season by a mile up until then
Matt must be in pole position now ,even after last Saturday, hope it was a one off day and he is back to his best for rest of campaign
[quote][p][bold]Hugothepug[/bold] wrote: I'm not really a gloom and doom merchant but for me our pursuit of the playoffs ending th minute crofts got injured. Just not enough goals from midfield to warrant a place in PO. Of course two exceptional loan signings could change that.[/p][/quote]Have to agree, we hit the top 6 on that Saturday afternoon but we all knew as croft hit his hand on the AMEX turf that moment may well have defined the season. player of the season by a mile up until then Matt must be in pole position now ,even after last Saturday, hope it was a one off day and he is back to his best for rest of campaign woodcroft
  • Score: 2

9:27am Wed 26 Feb 14

dave from bexill says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
Bushell17 wrote:
Whilst I can understand a lot of the frustrations mentioned above I think we must trust the club when it comes down to FFP and in the long term we will be better off and ready for the Premier League when we get there. Above B rian Tawses left foot said that Wigan would probably be the team to go up and I think they were extremely lucky to go away with 3 points last Saturday so that just shows how far we have come over the past 3 / 4 years. I think some of you expect us to just go straight up to the Premier League spending a fortune on the way and then I guess you will expect us to be mid table in the Premier League as well. Please be realistic and support the club, we will get there we have done tremendously well over the past 3 / 4 years and we are still progressing. Tony and the club will keep us on a sound financial platform and with CMS and Hoskins on there way back we will have more choice up front and in my opinion all we need is a 15 - 20 goal striker to play with Leo and we will be competing at the top of the Championship, we are very close to being an excellent team and making all our Premier League dreams come true. One final thing, please stop going on about people not renewing there season tickets, if they dont want to watch the Albion let them go elsewhere as others will take the tickets and be supporting us when we get to the Premier League, it will be there loss.
"All we need is a 15-20 goal striker". Yep, it's tat simple. Any ideas?
Ashley Barnes? Glen Murray ?
Becchio, Zamora...
Vydra, Tommy Smith, Wickham...??? players are there if club are serious!
Ok boys, I get it
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bushell17[/bold] wrote: Whilst I can understand a lot of the frustrations mentioned above I think we must trust the club when it comes down to FFP and in the long term we will be better off and ready for the Premier League when we get there. Above B rian Tawses left foot said that Wigan would probably be the team to go up and I think they were extremely lucky to go away with 3 points last Saturday so that just shows how far we have come over the past 3 / 4 years. I think some of you expect us to just go straight up to the Premier League spending a fortune on the way and then I guess you will expect us to be mid table in the Premier League as well. Please be realistic and support the club, we will get there we have done tremendously well over the past 3 / 4 years and we are still progressing. Tony and the club will keep us on a sound financial platform and with CMS and Hoskins on there way back we will have more choice up front and in my opinion all we need is a 15 - 20 goal striker to play with Leo and we will be competing at the top of the Championship, we are very close to being an excellent team and making all our Premier League dreams come true. One final thing, please stop going on about people not renewing there season tickets, if they dont want to watch the Albion let them go elsewhere as others will take the tickets and be supporting us when we get to the Premier League, it will be there loss.[/p][/quote]"All we need is a 15-20 goal striker". Yep, it's tat simple. Any ideas?[/p][/quote]Ashley Barnes? Glen Murray ?[/p][/quote]Becchio, Zamora...[/p][/quote]Vydra, Tommy Smith, Wickham...??? players are there if club are serious![/p][/quote]Ok boys, I get it dave from bexill
  • Score: 4

9:28am Wed 26 Feb 14

Simbosims says...

Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts.

If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc

Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few.
Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts. If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few. Simbosims
  • Score: 2

9:30am Wed 26 Feb 14

dave from bexill says...

I've never quite understood the situation regarding Becchio, who in my very humble view could have been the perfect partner for Leo
I've never quite understood the situation regarding Becchio, who in my very humble view could have been the perfect partner for Leo dave from bexill
  • Score: 10

9:32am Wed 26 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Simbosims wrote:
Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts.

If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc

Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few.
How is cms and Hoskins going to get a start under OG ? He plays one up front even when losing 0-2 . That system is now under scrutiny , it works for Barcelona because they have the technical ability, Monday we saw what happens when we get closed down all over the pitch.. Sides are pushing fullbacks right into midfield as they have one to mark..
Our system is to rigid , which is why we don't score enough goals, we won't concede many, how many penalties have we won this season?
[quote][p][bold]Simbosims[/bold] wrote: Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts. If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few.[/p][/quote]How is cms and Hoskins going to get a start under OG ? He plays one up front even when losing 0-2 . That system is now under scrutiny , it works for Barcelona because they have the technical ability, Monday we saw what happens when we get closed down all over the pitch.. Sides are pushing fullbacks right into midfield as they have one to mark.. Our system is to rigid , which is why we don't score enough goals, we won't concede many, how many penalties have we won this season? mark by the sea
  • Score: 12

9:33am Wed 26 Feb 14

dave from bexill says...

Simbosims wrote:
Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts.

If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc

Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few.
I recall some saying exactly the same thing last season Simbosims, regarding the next season
[quote][p][bold]Simbosims[/bold] wrote: Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts. If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few.[/p][/quote]I recall some saying exactly the same thing last season Simbosims, regarding the next season dave from bexill
  • Score: 5

9:44am Wed 26 Feb 14

mikeygit says...

A lot of talk about spending money, about getting a 15-20 goal a season striker, about Premiership next season. I agree whole hardheartedly one has to set oneself targets--but realistic targets. This season i am convinced IF you were to ask Barber & Co what they REALLY think in the privacy of their home then it would be that we will not get promotion and that this season was one of consolidation. i reckon they are abiding by FFP rules---almost running scared , therefore not able to spend BIG money on players even if we could find them-- and also waiting to see how the FA challenge any offenders. My take on it. We have also had terrible luck with injuries. Have we been an exciting team to watch?? Jurys out. We cannot--as has been said--put games to bed, We have no pace--except perhaps Lua Lua--but in reality he plays in fits and starts. We have GOOD players but IMHO not dynamic players who can turn games around--otherwise we would not be struggling for playoffs and if we are in that position then we do not deserve to go up and if we did how would we compete with the really big boys. I have been somewhat disappointed with this season. I do not want to harp back to the Gus days, but he really could motivate the team---something I do question as to whether Oscar can and does do. My jury is also out on Oscar--but time will tell. At the moment we are a good to mediocre team and next season will see a lot of changes in football as a whole FFP rules and all that. I am a true--but distant, like Vegas---Albion supporter, but that short glimpse of the first half on TV the other night was a reality check for me as to how good Albion really are. I sincerely hope for much better things next season.
A lot of talk about spending money, about getting a 15-20 goal a season striker, about Premiership next season. I agree whole hardheartedly one has to set oneself targets--but realistic targets. This season i am convinced IF you were to ask Barber & Co what they REALLY think in the privacy of their home then it would be that we will not get promotion and that this season was one of consolidation. i reckon they are abiding by FFP rules---almost running scared , therefore not able to spend BIG money on players even if we could find them-- and also waiting to see how the FA challenge any offenders. My take on it. We have also had terrible luck with injuries. Have we been an exciting team to watch?? Jurys out. We cannot--as has been said--put games to bed, We have no pace--except perhaps Lua Lua--but in reality he plays in fits and starts. We have GOOD players but IMHO not dynamic players who can turn games around--otherwise we would not be struggling for playoffs and if we are in that position then we do not deserve to go up and if we did how would we compete with the really big boys. I have been somewhat disappointed with this season. I do not want to harp back to the Gus days, but he really could motivate the team---something I do question as to whether Oscar can and does do. My jury is also out on Oscar--but time will tell. At the moment we are a good to mediocre team and next season will see a lot of changes in football as a whole FFP rules and all that. I am a true--but distant, like Vegas---Albion supporter, but that short glimpse of the first half on TV the other night was a reality check for me as to how good Albion really are. I sincerely hope for much better things next season. mikeygit
  • Score: 2

9:48am Wed 26 Feb 14

Conelli98 says...

dave from bexill wrote:
I've never quite understood the situation regarding Becchio, who in my very humble view could have been the perfect partner for Leo
Agree! Perfect partnership for rest of season. It then allows Hoskins and CMS to prepare properly for next season and if Becchio wants out of carrot crunching city what better way to showcase his talents for a move. Andy Naylor send this message to Oscar Now! ;)
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: I've never quite understood the situation regarding Becchio, who in my very humble view could have been the perfect partner for Leo[/p][/quote]Agree! Perfect partnership for rest of season. It then allows Hoskins and CMS to prepare properly for next season and if Becchio wants out of carrot crunching city what better way to showcase his talents for a move. Andy Naylor send this message to Oscar Now! ;) Conelli98
  • Score: 5

10:31am Wed 26 Feb 14

Carter_Cooldancer says...

Simbosims wrote:
Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts.

If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc

Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few.
Fines are not the answer IMO, they will just compound the financial situation and isn't a massive deterrent . Breaching FFP rules should be met with point deductions. Watch clubs comply then.
[quote][p][bold]Simbosims[/bold] wrote: Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts. If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few.[/p][/quote]Fines are not the answer IMO, they will just compound the financial situation and isn't a massive deterrent . Breaching FFP rules should be met with point deductions. Watch clubs comply then. Carter_Cooldancer
  • Score: 10

10:47am Wed 26 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hugothepug wrote:
I'm not really a gloom and doom merchant but for me our pursuit of the playoffs ending th minute crofts got injured. Just not enough goals from midfield to warrant a place in PO. Of course two exceptional loan signings could change that.
Agreed , the next month will decide a lot of season ticket renewals , I will be taking my ticket for the next season, but this fair play stuff is pretty much smoke and mirrors....
We have the highest attendance and the highest charges, not only in the championship, but at a few premier clubs as well, ( check west brom, .hull,
Swansea) so we are losing 14 million? If that is only on football , how on earth can 75% of teams even get to 8 million loss,
I can't remember the figures regarding turn over = wages? But the sums don't add up, running costs ( not wages or transfer fees) were incredibly high?
I was told that TB took 10 million from the club as down payment on lancing,
I don't have a problem with that, but if we are serious about the premier league the cliches ( premier ready, etc ) need to stop and OG given a decent budget to build a new squad ...
I see Wigan signed tunicliffe from Fulham, brother of the ex Albion centre half.
ReaLy good midfielder, again Rome burns while we talk the talk.
If we are serious about promotion having one fit striker is a laugh,
Think back to the day we signed Leo, we had Barnes cms and Hoskins fit!
We lost two in 6 weeks to injury, palace lost Murray end of season, it can happen.... We are not championship ready with one fit striker on our books..
Rodders looks lost with the pace of the game, obika is not championship material.
When you say "the sums don't add up" what are you suggesting?
How much of last seasons loss was the extensions to the ground? Ie planning consultations , to give you a idea, a planning consultant costs 2000 a day,
Lancing and the extension with architects fees would be in the millions, that's for paperwork..
Was any of that included? I know for a fact the club received grants from the EU for employment in a " poor area" the accounts are not transparent , or the information from the club,
Most clubs run on 50% of turnover = wages.. We should be in a far better position than 90% of clubs in this league,

Let's put it this way, we won't ever get a higher average gate than this season, even in the premiership .. Unless we make the premiership ... We will lose money.
This talk from Burke and barber that wages and transfer fees will go down! Based on us getting turned down by a forward from Bournemouth who received a better offer from a club with a gate of 7500 average, and a MK dons player who has joined millwall ( there average again less than ten thousand) it would appear clubs in worse positions than us are spending more! Let's hear the FFP reply from Vegas ... Next season we will be playing three teams that have premiership squads and parachute payments, next season will be rebuilding for us.
I am waiting for the sale of Leo with the qoute " disappointing season ticket sales "
The suits can bang on about breaking even, but in reality unless we accept a battle to go up and lose money it's not going to happen..
Unless we perform a miracle I think season ticket sales will drop by 2500 - 3500 depending how we perform over next 4 weeks, I believe the first bank debit is around end of march?
Some might say that's a pie in the sky figure, however the attendance figure has been about 3-4000 over since mid December of those actually attending..
Some games I would say more , one evening game was really dead.
And before you all want me to find 100 million, I am only suggesting FFP rules are not really known, barber said that clubs that ran themselves correctly were going to share the fines of clubs that ignored fair play, now that's changed... Or so he said on the pod cast.
To answer your first point, unless the club have set up a new company for contraction work, any tangible expenditure would obviously be included in it's accounts and the accounts show a massive deficit , so I'm really not sure what your point is?
If you're suggesting the club should have ignored extensions and development for the sake of the team, well that's an opinion you're entitled to and it stays at that..
But in terms of the situation, unless I'm mistaken, ground development is not excluded from profit & loss to determine FFP and any EU grant received can only be channelled into the area for which it was granted, so construction (or whatever it was) have already swallowed that up before the annual losses were calculated.
So, as it stands, (and again, as I understand it) the maximum loss in the Championship for this season, is £8m and TB will be responsible for injecting cash into the club to cover any losses above £3m.
If you think all this is bunkum, well, unfortunately, it's reality and we have to deal with it. Frankly, I'm not really bothered about 'other clubs' because that won't be an excuse when the sums are done.
Oh, and BTW, two final points, your assessment that wages are a standard 50% of turnover is a massive under-estimation and if you think the club is being economical with the audited truth, why don't you go tell 'em?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hugothepug[/bold] wrote: I'm not really a gloom and doom merchant but for me our pursuit of the playoffs ending th minute crofts got injured. Just not enough goals from midfield to warrant a place in PO. Of course two exceptional loan signings could change that.[/p][/quote]Agreed , the next month will decide a lot of season ticket renewals , I will be taking my ticket for the next season, but this fair play stuff is pretty much smoke and mirrors.... We have the highest attendance and the highest charges, not only in the championship, but at a few premier clubs as well, ( check west brom, .hull, Swansea) so we are losing 14 million? If that is only on football , how on earth can 75% of teams even get to 8 million loss, I can't remember the figures regarding turn over = wages? But the sums don't add up, running costs ( not wages or transfer fees) were incredibly high? I was told that TB took 10 million from the club as down payment on lancing, I don't have a problem with that, but if we are serious about the premier league the cliches ( premier ready, etc ) need to stop and OG given a decent budget to build a new squad ... I see Wigan signed tunicliffe from Fulham, brother of the ex Albion centre half. ReaLy good midfielder, again Rome burns while we talk the talk. If we are serious about promotion having one fit striker is a laugh, Think back to the day we signed Leo, we had Barnes cms and Hoskins fit! We lost two in 6 weeks to injury, palace lost Murray end of season, it can happen.... We are not championship ready with one fit striker on our books.. Rodders looks lost with the pace of the game, obika is not championship material.[/p][/quote]When you say "the sums don't add up" what are you suggesting?[/p][/quote]How much of last seasons loss was the extensions to the ground? Ie planning consultations , to give you a idea, a planning consultant costs 2000 a day, Lancing and the extension with architects fees would be in the millions, that's for paperwork.. Was any of that included? I know for a fact the club received grants from the EU for employment in a " poor area" the accounts are not transparent , or the information from the club, Most clubs run on 50% of turnover = wages.. We should be in a far better position than 90% of clubs in this league, Let's put it this way, we won't ever get a higher average gate than this season, even in the premiership .. Unless we make the premiership ... We will lose money. This talk from Burke and barber that wages and transfer fees will go down! Based on us getting turned down by a forward from Bournemouth who received a better offer from a club with a gate of 7500 average, and a MK dons player who has joined millwall ( there average again less than ten thousand) it would appear clubs in worse positions than us are spending more! Let's hear the FFP reply from Vegas ... Next season we will be playing three teams that have premiership squads and parachute payments, next season will be rebuilding for us. I am waiting for the sale of Leo with the qoute " disappointing season ticket sales " The suits can bang on about breaking even, but in reality unless we accept a battle to go up and lose money it's not going to happen.. Unless we perform a miracle I think season ticket sales will drop by 2500 - 3500 depending how we perform over next 4 weeks, I believe the first bank debit is around end of march? Some might say that's a pie in the sky figure, however the attendance figure has been about 3-4000 over since mid December of those actually attending.. Some games I would say more , one evening game was really dead. And before you all want me to find 100 million, I am only suggesting FFP rules are not really known, barber said that clubs that ran themselves correctly were going to share the fines of clubs that ignored fair play, now that's changed... Or so he said on the pod cast.[/p][/quote]To answer your first point, unless the club have set up a new company for contraction work, any tangible expenditure would obviously be included in it's accounts and the accounts show a massive deficit , so I'm really not sure what your point is? If you're suggesting the club should have ignored extensions and development for the sake of the team, well that's an opinion you're entitled to and it stays at that.. But in terms of the situation, unless I'm mistaken, ground development is not excluded from profit & loss to determine FFP and any EU grant received can only be channelled into the area for which it was granted, so construction (or whatever it was) have already swallowed that up before the annual losses were calculated. So, as it stands, (and again, as I understand it) the maximum loss in the Championship for this season, is £8m and TB will be responsible for injecting cash into the club to cover any losses above £3m. If you think all this is bunkum, well, unfortunately, it's reality and we have to deal with it. Frankly, I'm not really bothered about 'other clubs' because that won't be an excuse when the sums are done. Oh, and BTW, two final points, your assessment that wages are a standard 50% of turnover is a massive under-estimation and if you think the club is being economical with the audited truth, why don't you go tell 'em? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 4

10:51am Wed 26 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mikeygit wrote:
A lot of talk about spending money, about getting a 15-20 goal a season striker, about Premiership next season. I agree whole hardheartedly one has to set oneself targets--but realistic targets. This season i am convinced IF you were to ask Barber & Co what they REALLY think in the privacy of their home then it would be that we will not get promotion and that this season was one of consolidation. i reckon they are abiding by FFP rules---almost running scared , therefore not able to spend BIG money on players even if we could find them-- and also waiting to see how the FA challenge any offenders. My take on it. We have also had terrible luck with injuries. Have we been an exciting team to watch?? Jurys out. We cannot--as has been said--put games to bed, We have no pace--except perhaps Lua Lua--but in reality he plays in fits and starts. We have GOOD players but IMHO not dynamic players who can turn games around--otherwise we would not be struggling for playoffs and if we are in that position then we do not deserve to go up and if we did how would we compete with the really big boys. I have been somewhat disappointed with this season. I do not want to harp back to the Gus days, but he really could motivate the team---something I do question as to whether Oscar can and does do. My jury is also out on Oscar--but time will tell. At the moment we are a good to mediocre team and next season will see a lot of changes in football as a whole FFP rules and all that. I am a true--but distant, like Vegas---Albion supporter, but that short glimpse of the first half on TV the other night was a reality check for me as to how good Albion really are. I sincerely hope for much better things next season.
Mikey,
The other way of looking at our diligence with FFP is that if we're let down by non-implementation, TB stands a better chance of cutting loose than others.. Some will argue he should do that now, but it's the sort of gamble a gambler doesn't take...
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: A lot of talk about spending money, about getting a 15-20 goal a season striker, about Premiership next season. I agree whole hardheartedly one has to set oneself targets--but realistic targets. This season i am convinced IF you were to ask Barber & Co what they REALLY think in the privacy of their home then it would be that we will not get promotion and that this season was one of consolidation. i reckon they are abiding by FFP rules---almost running scared , therefore not able to spend BIG money on players even if we could find them-- and also waiting to see how the FA challenge any offenders. My take on it. We have also had terrible luck with injuries. Have we been an exciting team to watch?? Jurys out. We cannot--as has been said--put games to bed, We have no pace--except perhaps Lua Lua--but in reality he plays in fits and starts. We have GOOD players but IMHO not dynamic players who can turn games around--otherwise we would not be struggling for playoffs and if we are in that position then we do not deserve to go up and if we did how would we compete with the really big boys. I have been somewhat disappointed with this season. I do not want to harp back to the Gus days, but he really could motivate the team---something I do question as to whether Oscar can and does do. My jury is also out on Oscar--but time will tell. At the moment we are a good to mediocre team and next season will see a lot of changes in football as a whole FFP rules and all that. I am a true--but distant, like Vegas---Albion supporter, but that short glimpse of the first half on TV the other night was a reality check for me as to how good Albion really are. I sincerely hope for much better things next season.[/p][/quote]Mikey, The other way of looking at our diligence with FFP is that if we're let down by non-implementation, TB stands a better chance of cutting loose than others.. Some will argue he should do that now, but it's the sort of gamble a gambler doesn't take... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 4

10:57am Wed 26 Feb 14

Chi Gull says...

Yes there are probably players available, but I suspect they don't fit into our wage structure. If you bring in a quality loan player on higher wages, what are the likes of Ulloa going to do - ask for more! TB and PB have said money is available for loans, but not if it upsets the wage structure of our existing players. I am sure that's why we lost Grabban. I agree with MBTS that it doesn't quite add up with our gates being so high, but we don't know the arrangements between the club and TB re. his interest free loans etc. Frankly that doesn't bother me too much as TB has invested so heavily in the club and given us the fantastic facilities and, for the most part, good football to watch. Difficult to question a guy that has basically saved our club and turned it into what it is today. We may just scrape into the play offs, but its not been a bad season so far considering the turmoil in the summer.

On the topic of how we play I agree that we have not been positive enough this season, or dominated games like we did last season (without always getting a win). I don't think OG has been more attacking than GP. However, I don't think that's about playing two up front. In theory having one up front is a very flexible and fluid system. It's more about the players attitude of mind and how OG/NJ get the player prepared mentally. One feature this season has been how 'asleep' we seem after the half time break. The games we have looked good in is when we have pressed and moved the ball quickly. We can do it, but it isn't consistent at the moment.
Yes there are probably players available, but I suspect they don't fit into our wage structure. If you bring in a quality loan player on higher wages, what are the likes of Ulloa going to do - ask for more! TB and PB have said money is available for loans, but not if it upsets the wage structure of our existing players. I am sure that's why we lost Grabban. I agree with MBTS that it doesn't quite add up with our gates being so high, but we don't know the arrangements between the club and TB re. his interest free loans etc. Frankly that doesn't bother me too much as TB has invested so heavily in the club and given us the fantastic facilities and, for the most part, good football to watch. Difficult to question a guy that has basically saved our club and turned it into what it is today. We may just scrape into the play offs, but its not been a bad season so far considering the turmoil in the summer. On the topic of how we play I agree that we have not been positive enough this season, or dominated games like we did last season (without always getting a win). I don't think OG has been more attacking than GP. However, I don't think that's about playing two up front. In theory having one up front is a very flexible and fluid system. It's more about the players attitude of mind and how OG/NJ get the player prepared mentally. One feature this season has been how 'asleep' we seem after the half time break. The games we have looked good in is when we have pressed and moved the ball quickly. We can do it, but it isn't consistent at the moment. Chi Gull
  • Score: 5

11:13am Wed 26 Feb 14

the taffster says...

who are you kidding? hull and sunderland were both there for the taking if we had fielded our first team......then the semis.......the chances of us getting sixth spot are remote....lets be realistic..also.why is obbika at the club?
who are you kidding? hull and sunderland were both there for the taking if we had fielded our first team......then the semis.......the chances of us getting sixth spot are remote....lets be realistic..also.why is obbika at the club? the taffster
  • Score: 7

11:18am Wed 26 Feb 14

Steveg1958 says...

Chi Gull wrote:
Yes there are probably players available, but I suspect they don't fit into our wage structure. If you bring in a quality loan player on higher wages, what are the likes of Ulloa going to do - ask for more! TB and PB have said money is available for loans, but not if it upsets the wage structure of our existing players. I am sure that's why we lost Grabban. I agree with MBTS that it doesn't quite add up with our gates being so high, but we don't know the arrangements between the club and TB re. his interest free loans etc. Frankly that doesn't bother me too much as TB has invested so heavily in the club and given us the fantastic facilities and, for the most part, good football to watch. Difficult to question a guy that has basically saved our club and turned it into what it is today. We may just scrape into the play offs, but its not been a bad season so far considering the turmoil in the summer.

On the topic of how we play I agree that we have not been positive enough this season, or dominated games like we did last season (without always getting a win). I don't think OG has been more attacking than GP. However, I don't think that's about playing two up front. In theory having one up front is a very flexible and fluid system. It's more about the players attitude of mind and how OG/NJ get the player prepared mentally. One feature this season has been how 'asleep' we seem after the half time break. The games we have looked good in is when we have pressed and moved the ball quickly. We can do it, but it isn't consistent at the moment.
Good point about being asleep after half time, Saturday against Wigan is a good point, I assume that I wasn't the only fan who noticed that Josh Mackeachran was having a fitness test at half time and could hardly walk let alone run but I assume nobody from the coaching staff noticed and mentioned this to Oscar or NJ ! as we didn't put any pressure on him for the first fifteen minutes after the break, until he was taken off. Such things could lead to games being won !
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: Yes there are probably players available, but I suspect they don't fit into our wage structure. If you bring in a quality loan player on higher wages, what are the likes of Ulloa going to do - ask for more! TB and PB have said money is available for loans, but not if it upsets the wage structure of our existing players. I am sure that's why we lost Grabban. I agree with MBTS that it doesn't quite add up with our gates being so high, but we don't know the arrangements between the club and TB re. his interest free loans etc. Frankly that doesn't bother me too much as TB has invested so heavily in the club and given us the fantastic facilities and, for the most part, good football to watch. Difficult to question a guy that has basically saved our club and turned it into what it is today. We may just scrape into the play offs, but its not been a bad season so far considering the turmoil in the summer. On the topic of how we play I agree that we have not been positive enough this season, or dominated games like we did last season (without always getting a win). I don't think OG has been more attacking than GP. However, I don't think that's about playing two up front. In theory having one up front is a very flexible and fluid system. It's more about the players attitude of mind and how OG/NJ get the player prepared mentally. One feature this season has been how 'asleep' we seem after the half time break. The games we have looked good in is when we have pressed and moved the ball quickly. We can do it, but it isn't consistent at the moment.[/p][/quote]Good point about being asleep after half time, Saturday against Wigan is a good point, I assume that I wasn't the only fan who noticed that Josh Mackeachran was having a fitness test at half time and could hardly walk let alone run but I assume nobody from the coaching staff noticed and mentioned this to Oscar or NJ ! as we didn't put any pressure on him for the first fifteen minutes after the break, until he was taken off. Such things could lead to games being won ! Steveg1958
  • Score: 5

11:37am Wed 26 Feb 14

pjwilk says...

Why who is he going to watch,not Brighton on their latest performances.
Why who is he going to watch,not Brighton on their latest performances. pjwilk
  • Score: -5

12:24pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Major Bloodboil says...

Whilst I deplore the negative approach we seem to have for most games, this was always going to be a difficult season not least because we have yet to see the penalties being meted out for the teams that flout the dreaded FFP rules. There seems to be an 'ostrich' approach by a number of clubs, but once the 'chickens come home to roost' (sorry for the bird analogies) I think that we will see both a markedly different transfer market and wage structure and the flouting teams will suffer greatly. I applaud Mr Barber for getting our house in order and firmly believe that as a result of his hard work we will be better placed than most when the rules begin to bite and then we will be able to strengthen the team with better players than we have signed in this season especially. Also exciting players like Solly March, Rohan Ince also and Jeffrey Monakana (he's a real firecracker) will be more experienced and able to greatly contribute to our attacking threat. I just hope that the team selection and tactics get more adventurous...please
!
Whilst I deplore the negative approach we seem to have for most games, this was always going to be a difficult season not least because we have yet to see the penalties being meted out for the teams that flout the dreaded FFP rules. There seems to be an 'ostrich' approach by a number of clubs, but once the 'chickens come home to roost' (sorry for the bird analogies) I think that we will see both a markedly different transfer market and wage structure and the flouting teams will suffer greatly. I applaud Mr Barber for getting our house in order and firmly believe that as a result of his hard work we will be better placed than most when the rules begin to bite and then we will be able to strengthen the team with better players than we have signed in this season especially. Also exciting players like Solly March, Rohan Ince also and Jeffrey Monakana (he's a real firecracker) will be more experienced and able to greatly contribute to our attacking threat. I just hope that the team selection and tactics get more adventurous...please ! Major Bloodboil
  • Score: 2

12:31pm Wed 26 Feb 14

gordongull says...

Our points average for this season is 1.5 per game.
This average will not get us to the play-offs, but taking into account injuries, team formation, and FFP, it is difficult to see how we can improve on it.
Over the last ten years the average for the team finishing sixth is 73 points, which means we need 2 points per game for the rest of the season.
Teams know exactly what to expect when they play us, and set themselves up accordingly. Ian Holloway will be fairly confident because he knows that we have taken only one point from our away fixtures against the bottom three sides, Yeovil, Barnsley and Charlton.
There are still 45 points to play for so we are not out of it yet, but Nathan would sound more convincing if he was to explain what changes are going to be made to increase our average from 1.5 points per game to the required 2 points per game.
Our points average for this season is 1.5 per game. This average will not get us to the play-offs, but taking into account injuries, team formation, and FFP, it is difficult to see how we can improve on it. Over the last ten years the average for the team finishing sixth is 73 points, which means we need 2 points per game for the rest of the season. Teams know exactly what to expect when they play us, and set themselves up accordingly. Ian Holloway will be fairly confident because he knows that we have taken only one point from our away fixtures against the bottom three sides, Yeovil, Barnsley and Charlton. There are still 45 points to play for so we are not out of it yet, but Nathan would sound more convincing if he was to explain what changes are going to be made to increase our average from 1.5 points per game to the required 2 points per game. gordongull
  • Score: 9

12:31pm Wed 26 Feb 14

albionfan33 says...

Carter_Cooldancer wrote:
Simbosims wrote:
Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts.

If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc

Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few.
Fines are not the answer IMO, they will just compound the financial situation and isn't a massive deterrent . Breaching FFP rules should be met with point deductions. Watch clubs comply then.
points deduction is the only way. if ffp is to work teams should'nt be able to cheat a place in the prem
[quote][p][bold]Carter_Cooldancer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simbosims[/bold] wrote: Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts. If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few.[/p][/quote]Fines are not the answer IMO, they will just compound the financial situation and isn't a massive deterrent . Breaching FFP rules should be met with point deductions. Watch clubs comply then.[/p][/quote]points deduction is the only way. if ffp is to work teams should'nt be able to cheat a place in the prem albionfan33
  • Score: 8

1:08pm Wed 26 Feb 14

gordongull says...

There is some confusion surrounding losses for FFP purposes, so here is clarification.
Infrastructure development costs and youth developement/communi
ty development costs are permitted exclusions under FFP rules.
Therefore any losses that the Club reports in the financial accounts relating to the stadium or training facilities will not be included in the figures for FFP.
Also, from the point of view of FFP, there is no conflict between player purchases and ground developement, as the infrastructure costs are not in the FFP equation.
There is some confusion surrounding losses for FFP purposes, so here is clarification. Infrastructure development costs and youth developement/communi ty development costs are permitted exclusions under FFP rules. Therefore any losses that the Club reports in the financial accounts relating to the stadium or training facilities will not be included in the figures for FFP. Also, from the point of view of FFP, there is no conflict between player purchases and ground developement, as the infrastructure costs are not in the FFP equation. gordongull
  • Score: 8

1:11pm Wed 26 Feb 14

namgo49 says...

There will not be much money for players next year as the ones we may want to renew the contracts on e.g. Orlandi, TK etc, will cost another signing on fee and agents whack. We have a lot of players out of contract.

I have never understood the situation with monies from TB, are they interest free? Does he fund it all or does the club put up money as well in which case would that not be capital rather than revenue expense in which case goes in a different pace on the balance sheet. Do we own the land in Lancing or is it rented, same for Falmer? Falmer must cost loads to rent if that is the case, the site is massive.
There will not be much money for players next year as the ones we may want to renew the contracts on e.g. Orlandi, TK etc, will cost another signing on fee and agents whack. We have a lot of players out of contract. I have never understood the situation with monies from TB, are they interest free? Does he fund it all or does the club put up money as well in which case would that not be capital rather than revenue expense in which case goes in a different pace on the balance sheet. Do we own the land in Lancing or is it rented, same for Falmer? Falmer must cost loads to rent if that is the case, the site is massive. namgo49
  • Score: 1

1:31pm Wed 26 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Simbosims wrote:
Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts.

If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc

Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few.
How is cms and Hoskins going to get a start under OG ? He plays one up front even when losing 0-2 . That system is now under scrutiny , it works for Barcelona because they have the technical ability, Monday we saw what happens when we get closed down all over the pitch.. Sides are pushing fullbacks right into midfield as they have one to mark..
Our system is to rigid , which is why we don't score enough goals, we won't concede many, how many penalties have we won this season?
Mark, and others.
Have you given any thought to the possibility that Oscar would actually like to play with two strikers but has simply not been able to.

CMS went down right at the get go, that left us with just two strikers. Playing one up front and keeping one back worked with Crofts scoring, then we lost Crofts. Leo was out so we only had one fit striker, then Barnes leaves.
What ever you may think about Obkia we did want him earlier int he season, but he got injured. We tried to buy a striker costing a cool million, that fell thru.
The projected losses of 14 million were know by the club long before we were told, one million was probably the max Oscar was allowed to spend on a striker.
Given the losses and the FFP rules, and knowing that CMS would be back at some point, Hoskins too, spending on a striker might have been seen as a waste, but we did at least try with the Bournemouth lad.
The above could be seen as pointers that Oscar might have wanted to field two strikers but he simply hasn't been able to, maybe not for every match, but who knows for how many, two up front for home games and one up for away? Are we not currently looking for a striker.
I have said it before and I say it again, Oscar's time starts next season, only then we will truly get to see what his intentions are on the field, and how he will build the squad to fulfill those intentions.

A side issue Mark, not one single penny spent on, or to do with, Lancing has anything to do with our debt, two seperate sets of accounts. All money spent in the infrastructure of the club has zero connection to the FFP rules, those rules only apply to football operational costs.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simbosims[/bold] wrote: Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts. If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few.[/p][/quote]How is cms and Hoskins going to get a start under OG ? He plays one up front even when losing 0-2 . That system is now under scrutiny , it works for Barcelona because they have the technical ability, Monday we saw what happens when we get closed down all over the pitch.. Sides are pushing fullbacks right into midfield as they have one to mark.. Our system is to rigid , which is why we don't score enough goals, we won't concede many, how many penalties have we won this season?[/p][/quote]Mark, and others. Have you given any thought to the possibility that Oscar would actually like to play with two strikers but has simply not been able to. CMS went down right at the get go, that left us with just two strikers. Playing one up front and keeping one back worked with Crofts scoring, then we lost Crofts. Leo was out so we only had one fit striker, then Barnes leaves. What ever you may think about Obkia we did want him earlier int he season, but he got injured. We tried to buy a striker costing a cool million, that fell thru. The projected losses of 14 million were know by the club long before we were told, one million was probably the max Oscar was allowed to spend on a striker. Given the losses and the FFP rules, and knowing that CMS would be back at some point, Hoskins too, spending on a striker might have been seen as a waste, but we did at least try with the Bournemouth lad. The above could be seen as pointers that Oscar might have wanted to field two strikers but he simply hasn't been able to, maybe not for every match, but who knows for how many, two up front for home games and one up for away? Are we not currently looking for a striker. I have said it before and I say it again, Oscar's time starts next season, only then we will truly get to see what his intentions are on the field, and how he will build the squad to fulfill those intentions. A side issue Mark, not one single penny spent on, or to do with, Lancing has anything to do with our debt, two seperate sets of accounts. All money spent in the infrastructure of the club has zero connection to the FFP rules, those rules only apply to football operational costs. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

2:08pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Mark Dixon says...

Living and working in Somerset l only get to see highlights of the Albions ganes nowadays but did see the whole match again Hull.

Yes l know they played on Saturday but so did Hull but l am afraid to say that performance and the one against Wigan the Albion were lifeless and that takes a lot of saying since l started to support them back in the 70's.

I hope l am wrong but l don't see anything higher than a midtable finish and several first team players gone at the end of the season
Living and working in Somerset l only get to see highlights of the Albions ganes nowadays but did see the whole match again Hull. Yes l know they played on Saturday but so did Hull but l am afraid to say that performance and the one against Wigan the Albion were lifeless and that takes a lot of saying since l started to support them back in the 70's. I hope l am wrong but l don't see anything higher than a midtable finish and several first team players gone at the end of the season Mark Dixon
  • Score: 0

2:43pm Wed 26 Feb 14

bruce beckett says...

Have you given any thought to the possibility that Oscar would actually like to play with two strikers but has simply not been able to.

Sorry, Vegas, but I have to take issue with you on this statement. Unless my memory is failing me, OG never once started Lita alongside Ulloa or Barnes and it's the same story with Obika.

Why would any striker want to join us on loan when he knows he's going to get one minute at the end of the game to prove his worth?

Both Lita and Obika were brought in as cover...not to be in the starting XI.

The reason we are going to fall short of the play-offs this season is that we've lost three key members of the team – Bridcutt, Crofts and Barnes – and, as someone pointed out in earlier post, now have only player who can put the ball in the back of the net.
Have you given any thought to the possibility that Oscar would actually like to play with two strikers but has simply not been able to. Sorry, Vegas, but I have to take issue with you on this statement. Unless my memory is failing me, OG never once started Lita alongside Ulloa or Barnes and it's the same story with Obika. Why would any striker want to join us on loan when he knows he's going to get one minute at the end of the game to prove his worth? Both Lita and Obika were brought in as cover...not to be in the starting XI. The reason we are going to fall short of the play-offs this season is that we've lost three key members of the team – Bridcutt, Crofts and Barnes – and, as someone pointed out in earlier post, now have only player who can put the ball in the back of the net. bruce beckett
  • Score: 1

2:58pm Wed 26 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

bruce beckett wrote:
Have you given any thought to the possibility that Oscar would actually like to play with two strikers but has simply not been able to.

Sorry, Vegas, but I have to take issue with you on this statement. Unless my memory is failing me, OG never once started Lita alongside Ulloa or Barnes and it's the same story with Obika.

Why would any striker want to join us on loan when he knows he's going to get one minute at the end of the game to prove his worth?

Both Lita and Obika were brought in as cover...not to be in the starting XI.

The reason we are going to fall short of the play-offs this season is that we've lost three key members of the team – Bridcutt, Crofts and Barnes – and, as someone pointed out in earlier post, now have only player who can put the ball in the back of the net.
Bruce I see your point but what I suggesting is, to play 2 up front you need 2 more as cover.When we only had Barnes and Ulloa we gambled every time we played them both, and of course Ulloa got injured leaving us with just Barnes. I agree with 2 up front, but only if we have cover for both, and that cover must be decent quality. Lita, to me, is still a mystery, my gut tells me that Oscar had issues witht he lad, maybe he just wasn't what Oscar wanted but had forced upon him. Maybe Oscar took a stand that we know nothing of, but made his point to the suits, perhaps Obika is another Lita but the Bournemouth lad, costing a million, WAS a target of Oscar's choosing. We just don't know.
I think judgement needs to be delayed until next summer, a time when we will see just how Oscar forms his squad. If we see that we have four strikers, Ulloa, CMS and two others bought, Hoskins to the DS from where he can challenge the four, that will tell us quite a lot. If four strikers is the way Oscar goes, that might tell us a little about what he would have prefered for our current season, or perhaps it will tell us that Oscar has shifted his position re one or two strikers playing. We still might bring in a loanee and go with two up front an if that happens then the loanee will get plenty of playing time.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Have you given any thought to the possibility that Oscar would actually like to play with two strikers but has simply not been able to. Sorry, Vegas, but I have to take issue with you on this statement. Unless my memory is failing me, OG never once started Lita alongside Ulloa or Barnes and it's the same story with Obika. Why would any striker want to join us on loan when he knows he's going to get one minute at the end of the game to prove his worth? Both Lita and Obika were brought in as cover...not to be in the starting XI. The reason we are going to fall short of the play-offs this season is that we've lost three key members of the team – Bridcutt, Crofts and Barnes – and, as someone pointed out in earlier post, now have only player who can put the ball in the back of the net.[/p][/quote]Bruce I see your point but what I suggesting is, to play 2 up front you need 2 more as cover.When we only had Barnes and Ulloa we gambled every time we played them both, and of course Ulloa got injured leaving us with just Barnes. I agree with 2 up front, but only if we have cover for both, and that cover must be decent quality. Lita, to me, is still a mystery, my gut tells me that Oscar had issues witht he lad, maybe he just wasn't what Oscar wanted but had forced upon him. Maybe Oscar took a stand that we know nothing of, but made his point to the suits, perhaps Obika is another Lita but the Bournemouth lad, costing a million, WAS a target of Oscar's choosing. We just don't know. I think judgement needs to be delayed until next summer, a time when we will see just how Oscar forms his squad. If we see that we have four strikers, Ulloa, CMS and two others bought, Hoskins to the DS from where he can challenge the four, that will tell us quite a lot. If four strikers is the way Oscar goes, that might tell us a little about what he would have prefered for our current season, or perhaps it will tell us that Oscar has shifted his position re one or two strikers playing. We still might bring in a loanee and go with two up front an if that happens then the loanee will get plenty of playing time. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

3:13pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Mancgulled says...

Conelli98 wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
I've never quite understood the situation regarding Becchio, who in my very humble view could have been the perfect partner for Leo
Agree! Perfect partnership for rest of season. It then allows Hoskins and CMS to prepare properly for next season and if Becchio wants out of carrot crunching city what better way to showcase his talents for a move. Andy Naylor send this message to Oscar Now! ;)
Glad to see other people getting on this! Some weeks ago when I had nothing better to do I looked at the stats and saw that he had played 51 minutes in about a dozen games - and he hasn't featured in the last 4 either! .. and he's Argentinian, talented and no doubt miffed about his bench warming activities - perfect target - but as I have said in the past - don't ask - don't get! Deffo get this out to Mr. Naylor .....
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: I've never quite understood the situation regarding Becchio, who in my very humble view could have been the perfect partner for Leo[/p][/quote]Agree! Perfect partnership for rest of season. It then allows Hoskins and CMS to prepare properly for next season and if Becchio wants out of carrot crunching city what better way to showcase his talents for a move. Andy Naylor send this message to Oscar Now! ;)[/p][/quote]Glad to see other people getting on this! Some weeks ago when I had nothing better to do I looked at the stats and saw that he had played 51 minutes in about a dozen games - and he hasn't featured in the last 4 either! .. and he's Argentinian, talented and no doubt miffed about his bench warming activities - perfect target - but as I have said in the past - don't ask - don't get! Deffo get this out to Mr. Naylor ..... Mancgulled
  • Score: 2

3:49pm Wed 26 Feb 14

gordongull says...

albionfan33 wrote:
Carter_Cooldancer wrote:
Simbosims wrote:
Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts.

If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc

Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few.
Fines are not the answer IMO, they will just compound the financial situation and isn't a massive deterrent . Breaching FFP rules should be met with point deductions. Watch clubs comply then.
points deduction is the only way. if ffp is to work teams should'nt be able to cheat a place in the prem
The problem with a points deduction is that it can't be applied in the same season because of accounting dates. Offending clubs who are promoted will be half way through next season in the Premier League before any irregularities come to light.
In the Championship the only penalty will be a transfer embargo.
As well as an embargo, promoted clubs which did not comply with FFP will pay a 'Fair Play Tax' (fine).
Whether or not the penalties provide an adequate deterrent remains to be seen.
[quote][p][bold]albionfan33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carter_Cooldancer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simbosims[/bold] wrote: Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts. If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few.[/p][/quote]Fines are not the answer IMO, they will just compound the financial situation and isn't a massive deterrent . Breaching FFP rules should be met with point deductions. Watch clubs comply then.[/p][/quote]points deduction is the only way. if ffp is to work teams should'nt be able to cheat a place in the prem[/p][/quote]The problem with a points deduction is that it can't be applied in the same season because of accounting dates. Offending clubs who are promoted will be half way through next season in the Premier League before any irregularities come to light. In the Championship the only penalty will be a transfer embargo. As well as an embargo, promoted clubs which did not comply with FFP will pay a 'Fair Play Tax' (fine). Whether or not the penalties provide an adequate deterrent remains to be seen. gordongull
  • Score: 3

3:52pm Wed 26 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

I offer the following only as a talking point and nothing more, so no need to get personal.

We don't get promoted but have a respectable end of season finish. The season closes and Oscar sets about a rebuild, but that rebuild needs some serious money, an eye has to be cast in the direction of the FFP.

Oscar chooses to let some players go, among them some of the higher earners signed by Poyet when spending was not the issue it is today. Some of those let go have had persistent injury issues this season.

Bruno, Calde, Buckley, Kaz, Greer, Brez, Ankergren, Spanish Dave, Kemmy, and all loanees, except for Ward, all either sold or don't get their contracts renewed.
We buy Ward, offer TK an improved contract, extend Orlandi's contract, keep Ince, Solly, JFC, Chicksen, give Upson an improved eighteen month extention, give Rodriguez an eighteen month deal, and we keep Crofts, now we need to buy.

A lot of players needed to rebuild the squad, and money needed to buy them, that brings me to Ulloa. Goal scorers come at a premium, they command high wages and high transfer fees. We have the option of offering Ulloa a big payrise along with a contract extension in an attempt to keep him, or, we accept what will be a huge bid, huge by our standards, from a club that wants to buy him. The bid is bigger than anything our club has ever seen, the inevitable bidding war starts at eight million, do we sell, could we not sell, could we block Ulloa's chance of moving to a prem club, the money would go along way to paying for our rebuild.

If Oscar had some 12 millions to fund his rebuild, money from sales coupled with the budget he would have had anyway, would losing Ulloa, and others, be worth the sacrifices, and this spending would not harm our FFP compliance.
Would a new, largely younger squad with pace and creativity, but one without Ulloa, still excite the fans enough to buy season tickets.

What say you?
I offer the following only as a talking point and nothing more, so no need to get personal. We don't get promoted but have a respectable end of season finish. The season closes and Oscar sets about a rebuild, but that rebuild needs some serious money, an eye has to be cast in the direction of the FFP. Oscar chooses to let some players go, among them some of the higher earners signed by Poyet when spending was not the issue it is today. Some of those let go have had persistent injury issues this season. Bruno, Calde, Buckley, Kaz, Greer, Brez, Ankergren, Spanish Dave, Kemmy, and all loanees, except for Ward, all either sold or don't get their contracts renewed. We buy Ward, offer TK an improved contract, extend Orlandi's contract, keep Ince, Solly, JFC, Chicksen, give Upson an improved eighteen month extention, give Rodriguez an eighteen month deal, and we keep Crofts, now we need to buy. A lot of players needed to rebuild the squad, and money needed to buy them, that brings me to Ulloa. Goal scorers come at a premium, they command high wages and high transfer fees. We have the option of offering Ulloa a big payrise along with a contract extension in an attempt to keep him, or, we accept what will be a huge bid, huge by our standards, from a club that wants to buy him. The bid is bigger than anything our club has ever seen, the inevitable bidding war starts at eight million, do we sell, could we not sell, could we block Ulloa's chance of moving to a prem club, the money would go along way to paying for our rebuild. If Oscar had some 12 millions to fund his rebuild, money from sales coupled with the budget he would have had anyway, would losing Ulloa, and others, be worth the sacrifices, and this spending would not harm our FFP compliance. Would a new, largely younger squad with pace and creativity, but one without Ulloa, still excite the fans enough to buy season tickets. What say you? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

3:53pm Wed 26 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I offer the following only as a talking point and nothing more, so no need to get personal.

We don't get promoted but have a respectable end of season finish. The season closes and Oscar sets about a rebuild, but that rebuild needs some serious money, an eye has to be cast in the direction of the FFP.

Oscar chooses to let some players go, among them some of the higher earners signed by Poyet when spending was not the issue it is today. Some of those let go have had persistent injury issues this season.

Bruno, Calde, Buckley, Kaz, Greer, Brez, Ankergren, Spanish Dave, Kemmy, and all loanees, except for Ward, all either sold or don't get their contracts renewed.
We buy Ward, offer TK an improved contract, extend Orlandi's contract, keep Ince, Solly, JFC, Chicksen, give Upson an improved eighteen month extention, give Rodriguez an eighteen month deal, and we keep Crofts, now we need to buy.

A lot of players needed to rebuild the squad, and money needed to buy them, that brings me to Ulloa. Goal scorers come at a premium, they command high wages and high transfer fees. We have the option of offering Ulloa a big payrise along with a contract extension in an attempt to keep him, or, we accept what will be a huge bid, huge by our standards, from a club that wants to buy him. The bid is bigger than anything our club has ever seen, the inevitable bidding war starts at eight million, do we sell, could we not sell, could we block Ulloa's chance of moving to a prem club, the money would go along way to paying for our rebuild.

If Oscar had some 12 millions to fund his rebuild, money from sales coupled with the budget he would have had anyway, would losing Ulloa, and others, be worth the sacrifices, and this spending would not harm our FFP compliance.
Would a new, largely younger squad with pace and creativity, but one without Ulloa, still excite the fans enough to buy season tickets.

What say you?
I forgot to add CMS and Hoskins to the retained players.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I offer the following only as a talking point and nothing more, so no need to get personal. We don't get promoted but have a respectable end of season finish. The season closes and Oscar sets about a rebuild, but that rebuild needs some serious money, an eye has to be cast in the direction of the FFP. Oscar chooses to let some players go, among them some of the higher earners signed by Poyet when spending was not the issue it is today. Some of those let go have had persistent injury issues this season. Bruno, Calde, Buckley, Kaz, Greer, Brez, Ankergren, Spanish Dave, Kemmy, and all loanees, except for Ward, all either sold or don't get their contracts renewed. We buy Ward, offer TK an improved contract, extend Orlandi's contract, keep Ince, Solly, JFC, Chicksen, give Upson an improved eighteen month extention, give Rodriguez an eighteen month deal, and we keep Crofts, now we need to buy. A lot of players needed to rebuild the squad, and money needed to buy them, that brings me to Ulloa. Goal scorers come at a premium, they command high wages and high transfer fees. We have the option of offering Ulloa a big payrise along with a contract extension in an attempt to keep him, or, we accept what will be a huge bid, huge by our standards, from a club that wants to buy him. The bid is bigger than anything our club has ever seen, the inevitable bidding war starts at eight million, do we sell, could we not sell, could we block Ulloa's chance of moving to a prem club, the money would go along way to paying for our rebuild. If Oscar had some 12 millions to fund his rebuild, money from sales coupled with the budget he would have had anyway, would losing Ulloa, and others, be worth the sacrifices, and this spending would not harm our FFP compliance. Would a new, largely younger squad with pace and creativity, but one without Ulloa, still excite the fans enough to buy season tickets. What say you?[/p][/quote]I forgot to add CMS and Hoskins to the retained players. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

4:42pm Wed 26 Feb 14

fansunited says...

Leeds have signed Conor Wickham another one bites the dust, com on Brighton get your finger out! What about Becchio he can't get into the Norwich team..........
Leeds have signed Conor Wickham another one bites the dust, com on Brighton get your finger out! What about Becchio he can't get into the Norwich team.......... fansunited
  • Score: 6

4:51pm Wed 26 Feb 14

bruce beckett says...

fansunited wrote:
Leeds have signed Conor Wickham another one bites the dust, com on Brighton get your finger out! What about Becchio he can't get into the Norwich team..........
Can't believe we didn't tell Sunderland that they could only have Bridcutt if they loaned us Wickham until the end of the season.

Biggest crowds in the Championship but it seems we still can't compete with the Leeds and Forests of this world.
[quote][p][bold]fansunited[/bold] wrote: Leeds have signed Conor Wickham another one bites the dust, com on Brighton get your finger out! What about Becchio he can't get into the Norwich team..........[/p][/quote]Can't believe we didn't tell Sunderland that they could only have Bridcutt if they loaned us Wickham until the end of the season. Biggest crowds in the Championship but it seems we still can't compete with the Leeds and Forests of this world. bruce beckett
  • Score: -5

4:55pm Wed 26 Feb 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

bruce beckett says...


fansunited wrote:
Leeds have signed Conor Wickham another one bites the dust, com on Brighton get your finger out! What about Becchio he can't get into the Norwich team..........
Can't believe we didn't tell Sunderland that they could only have Bridcutt if they loaned us Wickham until the end of the season.

Biggest crowds in the Championship but it seems we still can't compete with the Leeds and Forests of this world.

Leeds are in the most dire financial trouble and if Forest don't go up so will they be. Presumably you don't want this for the albion ?
bruce beckett says... fansunited wrote: Leeds have signed Conor Wickham another one bites the dust, com on Brighton get your finger out! What about Becchio he can't get into the Norwich team.......... Can't believe we didn't tell Sunderland that they could only have Bridcutt if they loaned us Wickham until the end of the season. Biggest crowds in the Championship but it seems we still can't compete with the Leeds and Forests of this world. Leeds are in the most dire financial trouble and if Forest don't go up so will they be. Presumably you don't want this for the albion ? B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 8

5:01pm Wed 26 Feb 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Simbosims says...

Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts.

If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc

Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few.

The voice of reason.
Simbosims says... Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts. If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few. The voice of reason. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 5

5:11pm Wed 26 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Simbosims says...

Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts.

If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc

Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few.

The voice of reason.
From what I have read the fines will be on a pound for pound basis on the over spend, those clubs being fined will have to reduce their losses AND pay the fine, or get punished again the following season. The FFP punishments are going to hurt, and hurt bad.
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Simbosims says... Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts. If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few. The voice of reason.[/p][/quote]From what I have read the fines will be on a pound for pound basis on the over spend, those clubs being fined will have to reduce their losses AND pay the fine, or get punished again the following season. The FFP punishments are going to hurt, and hurt bad. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

5:23pm Wed 26 Feb 14

bruce beckett says...

You seriously think clubs like Leeds and Forest are going to be signing all these players without finding a FFP loophole first? I'll be gobsmacked if they are ever taken to task.
You seriously think clubs like Leeds and Forest are going to be signing all these players without finding a FFP loophole first? I'll be gobsmacked if they are ever taken to task. bruce beckett
  • Score: -8

5:45pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Mancgulled says...

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/26
352072

...... like this article says - they are out there if you have the talent to find them - and Derby this season are not the same team as they were last season The proof I know is in the pudding and there are a lot of games to go - but tbh - I don't think they will sign anyone else - I think Brighton are playing a waiting game for CMS & Hoskins which is sensible really as regards possible FFP punishments. It might be frustrating but I reckon you can safely say there is no chance of a return to a lower league and with money in the bank maybe someone like Beccio will be far more credible come summer - when everyone else who does not have that profit stashed away and have found they are not good enough for the PL start to suffer for infringements. We could use that money to chop down the deficit or invest --- but think you this - at least Brighton will be in an enviable position of having that choice! And yeah -- Beccio would still be the man for me ---- but their are dreams and there are realities .... the ones nobody on here knows about however much speculating .... but one things for certain - that money is in the bank!
http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/26 352072 ...... like this article says - they are out there if you have the talent to find them - and Derby this season are not the same team as they were last season The proof I know is in the pudding and there are a lot of games to go - but tbh - I don't think they will sign anyone else - I think Brighton are playing a waiting game for CMS & Hoskins which is sensible really as regards possible FFP punishments. It might be frustrating but I reckon you can safely say there is no chance of a return to a lower league and with money in the bank maybe someone like Beccio will be far more credible come summer - when everyone else who does not have that profit stashed away and have found they are not good enough for the PL start to suffer for infringements. We could use that money to chop down the deficit or invest --- but think you this - at least Brighton will be in an enviable position of having that choice! And yeah -- Beccio would still be the man for me ---- but their are dreams and there are realities .... the ones nobody on here knows about however much speculating .... but one things for certain - that money is in the bank! Mancgulled
  • Score: 3

5:45pm Wed 26 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Simbosims says...

Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts.

If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc

Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few.

The voice of reason.
From what I have read the fines will be on a pound for pound basis on the over spend, those clubs being fined will have to reduce their losses AND pay the fine, or get punished again the following season. The FFP punishments are going to hurt, and hurt bad.
Vegas, have you not heard the Burke interview? Apparently the fines handed out were going to be distributed to the clubs that do keep within FFP rules,
This by burkes own words has changed, wait till it's all watered down in 10 months time ,
If OG wanted to play two up front he would have when Barnes and obika were here, he could le have played Dave 2 alongside ulloa, I can't see it happening, ...
You say Gus over spent, however he along side others say we were mid table in the spending league, but we have the highest gate income, no debt to the banks, and a sponsorship with Amex which the club said they were delighted with!
So if we accept we were mid table spenders, ( Mondays team were all free except ulloa, where do we go from here?
You also say OG will build his own squad next season? On what basis do you know that? Again Burke in his interview said players are found and forwarded to him from mervyn day and he passes them to Oscar for his opinion, no player is signed unless Oscar agrees.... That's not quite the same as you suggest.. I think Lita and obika were Burke and jones ( sounds like a comedy duo) players,
Dave two is a forward, he is played as a winger who shuffles back more than he gets forward...
Your optimism is great, but on what signing this year should we share that?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Simbosims says... Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts. If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few. The voice of reason.[/p][/quote]From what I have read the fines will be on a pound for pound basis on the over spend, those clubs being fined will have to reduce their losses AND pay the fine, or get punished again the following season. The FFP punishments are going to hurt, and hurt bad.[/p][/quote]Vegas, have you not heard the Burke interview? Apparently the fines handed out were going to be distributed to the clubs that do keep within FFP rules, This by burkes own words has changed, wait till it's all watered down in 10 months time , If OG wanted to play two up front he would have when Barnes and obika were here, he could le have played Dave 2 alongside ulloa, I can't see it happening, ... You say Gus over spent, however he along side others say we were mid table in the spending league, but we have the highest gate income, no debt to the banks, and a sponsorship with Amex which the club said they were delighted with! So if we accept we were mid table spenders, ( Mondays team were all free except ulloa, where do we go from here? You also say OG will build his own squad next season? On what basis do you know that? Again Burke in his interview said players are found and forwarded to him from mervyn day and he passes them to Oscar for his opinion, no player is signed unless Oscar agrees.... That's not quite the same as you suggest.. I think Lita and obika were Burke and jones ( sounds like a comedy duo) players, Dave two is a forward, he is played as a winger who shuffles back more than he gets forward... Your optimism is great, but on what signing this year should we share that? mark by the sea
  • Score: 6

6:07pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Conelli98 says...

Ssssssh...wheres Dunk 2 Blame?...
Ssssssh...wheres Dunk 2 Blame?... Conelli98
  • Score: 0

6:16pm Wed 26 Feb 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Simbosims says...

Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts.

If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc

Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few.

The voice of reason.
From what I have read the fines will be on a pound for pound basis on the over spend, those clubs being fined will have to reduce their losses AND pay the fine, or get punished again the following season. The FFP punishments are going to hurt, and hurt bad.
No club in next season's Championship will be fined for breaking FFP rules.
It only applies to the Premier League and the three clubs promoted to it.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Simbosims says... Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts. If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few. The voice of reason.[/p][/quote]From what I have read the fines will be on a pound for pound basis on the over spend, those clubs being fined will have to reduce their losses AND pay the fine, or get punished again the following season. The FFP punishments are going to hurt, and hurt bad.[/p][/quote]No club in next season's Championship will be fined for breaking FFP rules. It only applies to the Premier League and the three clubs promoted to it. gordongull
  • Score: 2

6:22pm Wed 26 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Simbosims says...

Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts.

If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc

Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few.

The voice of reason.
From what I have read the fines will be on a pound for pound basis on the over spend, those clubs being fined will have to reduce their losses AND pay the fine, or get punished again the following season. The FFP punishments are going to hurt, and hurt bad.
No club in next season's Championship will be fined for breaking FFP rules.
It only applies to the Premier League and the three clubs promoted to it.
Really? I never knew that! Imagine all three clubs going up are fined or points deducted? Those three clubs would be relegation material ... More so than normal... I can't see sky allowing that to happen, it would mean they have no interest if a team runs away at the top the season could be over by Xmas.
Will the fines be equal to the money gained bu promotion?
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Simbosims says... Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts. If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few. The voice of reason.[/p][/quote]From what I have read the fines will be on a pound for pound basis on the over spend, those clubs being fined will have to reduce their losses AND pay the fine, or get punished again the following season. The FFP punishments are going to hurt, and hurt bad.[/p][/quote]No club in next season's Championship will be fined for breaking FFP rules. It only applies to the Premier League and the three clubs promoted to it.[/p][/quote]Really? I never knew that! Imagine all three clubs going up are fined or points deducted? Those three clubs would be relegation material ... More so than normal... I can't see sky allowing that to happen, it would mean they have no interest if a team runs away at the top the season could be over by Xmas. Will the fines be equal to the money gained bu promotion? mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

6:43pm Wed 26 Feb 14

gordongull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Simbosims says...

Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts.

If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc

Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few.

The voice of reason.
From what I have read the fines will be on a pound for pound basis on the over spend, those clubs being fined will have to reduce their losses AND pay the fine, or get punished again the following season. The FFP punishments are going to hurt, and hurt bad.
No club in next season's Championship will be fined for breaking FFP rules.
It only applies to the Premier League and the three clubs promoted to it.
Really? I never knew that! Imagine all three clubs going up are fined or points deducted? Those three clubs would be relegation material ... More so than normal... I can't see sky allowing that to happen, it would mean they have no interest if a team runs away at the top the season could be over by Xmas.
Will the fines be equal to the money gained bu promotion?
There are no points deductions Mark, only fines and transfer embargos.
The fines are based on how much the club overspent, so it could be a risk worth taking. All the other Prem' clubs face the same penalties, so in theory it will be a level playing field.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Simbosims says... Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts. If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few. The voice of reason.[/p][/quote]From what I have read the fines will be on a pound for pound basis on the over spend, those clubs being fined will have to reduce their losses AND pay the fine, or get punished again the following season. The FFP punishments are going to hurt, and hurt bad.[/p][/quote]No club in next season's Championship will be fined for breaking FFP rules. It only applies to the Premier League and the three clubs promoted to it.[/p][/quote]Really? I never knew that! Imagine all three clubs going up are fined or points deducted? Those three clubs would be relegation material ... More so than normal... I can't see sky allowing that to happen, it would mean they have no interest if a team runs away at the top the season could be over by Xmas. Will the fines be equal to the money gained bu promotion?[/p][/quote]There are no points deductions Mark, only fines and transfer embargos. The fines are based on how much the club overspent, so it could be a risk worth taking. All the other Prem' clubs face the same penalties, so in theory it will be a level playing field. gordongull
  • Score: 3

6:48pm Wed 26 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

gordongull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Simbosims says...

Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts.

If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc

Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few.

The voice of reason.
From what I have read the fines will be on a pound for pound basis on the over spend, those clubs being fined will have to reduce their losses AND pay the fine, or get punished again the following season. The FFP punishments are going to hurt, and hurt bad.
No club in next season's Championship will be fined for breaking FFP rules.
It only applies to the Premier League and the three clubs promoted to it.
Really? I never knew that! Imagine all three clubs going up are fined or points deducted? Those three clubs would be relegation material ... More so than normal... I can't see sky allowing that to happen, it would mean they have no interest if a team runs away at the top the season could be over by Xmas.
Will the fines be equal to the money gained bu promotion?
There are no points deductions Mark, only fines and transfer embargos.
The fines are based on how much the club overspent, so it could be a risk worth taking. All the other Prem' clubs face the same penalties, so in theory it will be a level playing field.
So if you don't make promotion this year, no penalties? I can see why clubs are having a go!!!
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Simbosims says... Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts. If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few. The voice of reason.[/p][/quote]From what I have read the fines will be on a pound for pound basis on the over spend, those clubs being fined will have to reduce their losses AND pay the fine, or get punished again the following season. The FFP punishments are going to hurt, and hurt bad.[/p][/quote]No club in next season's Championship will be fined for breaking FFP rules. It only applies to the Premier League and the three clubs promoted to it.[/p][/quote]Really? I never knew that! Imagine all three clubs going up are fined or points deducted? Those three clubs would be relegation material ... More so than normal... I can't see sky allowing that to happen, it would mean they have no interest if a team runs away at the top the season could be over by Xmas. Will the fines be equal to the money gained bu promotion?[/p][/quote]There are no points deductions Mark, only fines and transfer embargos. The fines are based on how much the club overspent, so it could be a risk worth taking. All the other Prem' clubs face the same penalties, so in theory it will be a level playing field.[/p][/quote]So if you don't make promotion this year, no penalties? I can see why clubs are having a go!!! mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

6:52pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Neville says...

Hi Vegas
Regarding whether we manage to keep Ulloa will depend on his contract. I am pretty certain when he originally signed there would almost certainly be a clause whereby any PL interest would have to considered or if a certain offer reached then he would be allowed to talk to any interested party.This is normal these days.
Hi Vegas Regarding whether we manage to keep Ulloa will depend on his contract. I am pretty certain when he originally signed there would almost certainly be a clause whereby any PL interest would have to considered or if a certain offer reached then he would be allowed to talk to any interested party.This is normal these days. Neville
  • Score: 1

7:13pm Wed 26 Feb 14

gordongull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
gordongull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Simbosims says...

Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts.

If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc

Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few.

The voice of reason.
From what I have read the fines will be on a pound for pound basis on the over spend, those clubs being fined will have to reduce their losses AND pay the fine, or get punished again the following season. The FFP punishments are going to hurt, and hurt bad.
No club in next season's Championship will be fined for breaking FFP rules.
It only applies to the Premier League and the three clubs promoted to it.
Really? I never knew that! Imagine all three clubs going up are fined or points deducted? Those three clubs would be relegation material ... More so than normal... I can't see sky allowing that to happen, it would mean they have no interest if a team runs away at the top the season could be over by Xmas.
Will the fines be equal to the money gained bu promotion?
There are no points deductions Mark, only fines and transfer embargos.
The fines are based on how much the club overspent, so it could be a risk worth taking. All the other Prem' clubs face the same penalties, so in theory it will be a level playing field.
So if you don't make promotion this year, no penalties? I can see why clubs are having a go!!!
Only a transfer embargo starting January 1st 2015.
Also my earlier post talking about points deductions was intended to show problems IF they were used. I can see how it could be misunderstood.
There are no points deductions in any division.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Simbosims says... Buying players may not be the answer, look at QPR, Man U etc, it's how it's spent that counts. If all of our squad was fit, (CMS, Hoskins, Buckley, Croft, Orlandi etc) they would match most teams in this league.We have been so unlucky this season, if it doesnt happen this season, I think it will next. The clubs that look to be coming downwould offer us little threat imho, Fulham, Palace, Cardiff, West Brom etc Watch out for fines to be imposed regaring FFP, it may shock a few. The voice of reason.[/p][/quote]From what I have read the fines will be on a pound for pound basis on the over spend, those clubs being fined will have to reduce their losses AND pay the fine, or get punished again the following season. The FFP punishments are going to hurt, and hurt bad.[/p][/quote]No club in next season's Championship will be fined for breaking FFP rules. It only applies to the Premier League and the three clubs promoted to it.[/p][/quote]Really? I never knew that! Imagine all three clubs going up are fined or points deducted? Those three clubs would be relegation material ... More so than normal... I can't see sky allowing that to happen, it would mean they have no interest if a team runs away at the top the season could be over by Xmas. Will the fines be equal to the money gained bu promotion?[/p][/quote]There are no points deductions Mark, only fines and transfer embargos. The fines are based on how much the club overspent, so it could be a risk worth taking. All the other Prem' clubs face the same penalties, so in theory it will be a level playing field.[/p][/quote]So if you don't make promotion this year, no penalties? I can see why clubs are having a go!!![/p][/quote]Only a transfer embargo starting January 1st 2015. Also my earlier post talking about points deductions was intended to show problems IF they were used. I can see how it could be misunderstood. There are no points deductions in any division. gordongull
  • Score: 1

7:13pm Wed 26 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Neville wrote:
Hi Vegas
Regarding whether we manage to keep Ulloa will depend on his contract. I am pretty certain when he originally signed there would almost certainly be a clause whereby any PL interest would have to considered or if a certain offer reached then he would be allowed to talk to any interested party.This is normal these days.
Yes Spanish players have this as a norm, I would think 6 million would be the minimum for him,
I was told by a good source we received 3.5 million with add ons for Bridcutt,
Plus he did not get his ten percent, so the equivalent of 4 million ish.
Barnes 800k ( he probably had 20% of his transfer fee) plus bits and pieces for one or two others, we should be in a good position for a big buying fund for a player or two.
On ulloa, he will want to pay premiership football, and get paid 25k a week,
I think if he continues with his goal a game, we will be looking at 7-8 million.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Hi Vegas Regarding whether we manage to keep Ulloa will depend on his contract. I am pretty certain when he originally signed there would almost certainly be a clause whereby any PL interest would have to considered or if a certain offer reached then he would be allowed to talk to any interested party.This is normal these days.[/p][/quote]Yes Spanish players have this as a norm, I would think 6 million would be the minimum for him, I was told by a good source we received 3.5 million with add ons for Bridcutt, Plus he did not get his ten percent, so the equivalent of 4 million ish. Barnes 800k ( he probably had 20% of his transfer fee) plus bits and pieces for one or two others, we should be in a good position for a big buying fund for a player or two. On ulloa, he will want to pay premiership football, and get paid 25k a week, I think if he continues with his goal a game, we will be looking at 7-8 million. mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

7:15pm Wed 26 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

I know he is not Spanish but has played there and transfered from there.
I know he is not Spanish but has played there and transfered from there. mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

7:30pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Far gull says...

bruce beckett wrote:
You seriously think clubs like Leeds and Forest are going to be signing all these players without finding a FFP loophole first? I'll be gobsmacked if they are ever taken to task.
Fully agree Bruce ,don't get it regarding financial penalties, a club like Forest loses say 50 million for example ,can't sell it's most valuable assets as all clubs know it's a fire sale so most valuable assets cannot clear debt or crucially raise enough to pay fine, FA or league whoever it is are not going to bankrupt or force a valuable asset like Forest are to the overall value of their product ( the league it's self ). This whole ffp will collapse like a pack of cards.
Points deduction will come to late in the following season to be applied and if it did while they were in prem or championship will all but kill attendances as fans will know they are going down or will struggle puttin them in an even worse financial plight.
Agree with principal of ffp ,practicalities of implementing punishment are unworkable imho?
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: You seriously think clubs like Leeds and Forest are going to be signing all these players without finding a FFP loophole first? I'll be gobsmacked if they are ever taken to task.[/p][/quote]Fully agree Bruce ,don't get it regarding financial penalties, a club like Forest loses say 50 million for example ,can't sell it's most valuable assets as all clubs know it's a fire sale so most valuable assets cannot clear debt or crucially raise enough to pay fine, FA or league whoever it is are not going to bankrupt or force a valuable asset like Forest are to the overall value of their product ( the league it's self ). This whole ffp will collapse like a pack of cards. Points deduction will come to late in the following season to be applied and if it did while they were in prem or championship will all but kill attendances as fans will know they are going down or will struggle puttin them in an even worse financial plight. Agree with principal of ffp ,practicalities of implementing punishment are unworkable imho? Far gull
  • Score: -2

8:37pm Wed 26 Feb 14

gordongull says...

Apparently the deterrent of deducting points will be used by the Premier League for the most serious breaches of the rules.
Apparently the deterrent of deducting points will be used by the Premier League for the most serious breaches of the rules. gordongull
  • Score: 2

9:08pm Wed 26 Feb 14

gordongull says...

For anyone who hasn't seen it, (or has found my comments confusing), this site does an excellent job of explaining the FFP rules on one page.

http://www.financial
fairplay.co.uk/finan
cial-fair-play-expla
ined.php
For anyone who hasn't seen it, (or has found my comments confusing), this site does an excellent job of explaining the FFP rules on one page. http://www.financial fairplay.co.uk/finan cial-fair-play-expla ined.php gordongull
  • Score: 2

9:30pm Wed 26 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

gordongull wrote:
For anyone who hasn't seen it, (or has found my comments confusing), this site does an excellent job of explaining the FFP rules on one page.

http://www.financial

fairplay.co.uk/finan

cial-fair-play-expla

ined.php
Thanks Gordon , it seems pretty clear ... Going to be interesting for clubs like
QPR , the only thing I can see is the parachute payments are going to give clubs a massive advantage ..
I can see a yo yo of 6 clubs going up and down, Cardiff Fulham to name two, I think once your up , your have three years advantage over the rest of the championship.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: For anyone who hasn't seen it, (or has found my comments confusing), this site does an excellent job of explaining the FFP rules on one page. http://www.financial fairplay.co.uk/finan cial-fair-play-expla ined.php[/p][/quote]Thanks Gordon , it seems pretty clear ... Going to be interesting for clubs like QPR , the only thing I can see is the parachute payments are going to give clubs a massive advantage .. I can see a yo yo of 6 clubs going up and down, Cardiff Fulham to name two, I think once your up , your have three years advantage over the rest of the championship. mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

11:35pm Wed 26 Feb 14

OldGull says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
I don't understand why so many posters on here seem to be having nervous breakdowns at the prospect of us not going up this season. For most of our history we've been a lower league club and to be playing reasonably attractive football in a lovely new stadium in the second tier of English football is surely a very agreeable situation. Also to have a regime that is pledged to avoiding the ruinous financial profligacy that has blighted other clubs is something that should be welcomed rather than moaned about.
When I first started supporting the club - way back in the mid 60s we were a so -so third division outfit, but even then much better supported than our rivals - gates of around 12,000. We never challenged seriously for promotion - but no one had kittens over it. I guess these days everyone wants instant food, instant wealth - hey if we haven't got it we'll borrow it - and instant success. Learn some gratitude, learn some patience - we'll get there in the end !
Agreed Brian
If we finish in 8th place, it will be our 10th highest finishing position in our history.
We reached the 5th round of the FA Cup which I believe was only the 4th occasion.
We have one of the best stadiums in the country and will soon have one of the best academies.

What a terrible state we are in.......

In TB & OG we trust
UTA
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: I don't understand why so many posters on here seem to be having nervous breakdowns at the prospect of us not going up this season. For most of our history we've been a lower league club and to be playing reasonably attractive football in a lovely new stadium in the second tier of English football is surely a very agreeable situation. Also to have a regime that is pledged to avoiding the ruinous financial profligacy that has blighted other clubs is something that should be welcomed rather than moaned about. When I first started supporting the club - way back in the mid 60s we were a so -so third division outfit, but even then much better supported than our rivals - gates of around 12,000. We never challenged seriously for promotion - but no one had kittens over it. I guess these days everyone wants instant food, instant wealth - hey if we haven't got it we'll borrow it - and instant success. Learn some gratitude, learn some patience - we'll get there in the end ![/p][/quote]Agreed Brian If we finish in 8th place, it will be our 10th highest finishing position in our history. We reached the 5th round of the FA Cup which I believe was only the 4th occasion. We have one of the best stadiums in the country and will soon have one of the best academies. What a terrible state we are in....... In TB & OG we trust UTA OldGull
  • Score: 2

12:43am Thu 27 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

People seem to think that over spending, but getting promotion, is worth doing, it just might not be.

Let's say that Forest over spend by just 10 million this year, now add that figure to their losses of last year, the losses they were supposed to cut. Now I don't know what their losses were so I will base them on our losses, that could mean that they are some 24 million in debt, now add a 24 million fine, the over spend figure which surely has to be added to their original debt that they did not cut, now they are in the hole for 48 million.
Promotion could earn them in the region of 90 million, so pay offf all the debt and fines and they have 42 million left over, sounds good doesn't it, but is it.
With the gate numbers we have we still managed to lose 14 million, Forest could be in the hole for a lot more as they, like us, would have lost money last season and they wouldn't have paid down any of those losses, we will.
The left over figure could be a lot less than 42 million. I would doubt that any club gaining promotion could survive the first year without spending at least 25 to 30 million on new players, aprem level striker is going to cost upwards of 10 million.
People seem to think that over spending, but getting promotion, is worth doing, it just might not be. Let's say that Forest over spend by just 10 million this year, now add that figure to their losses of last year, the losses they were supposed to cut. Now I don't know what their losses were so I will base them on our losses, that could mean that they are some 24 million in debt, now add a 24 million fine, the over spend figure which surely has to be added to their original debt that they did not cut, now they are in the hole for 48 million. Promotion could earn them in the region of 90 million, so pay offf all the debt and fines and they have 42 million left over, sounds good doesn't it, but is it. With the gate numbers we have we still managed to lose 14 million, Forest could be in the hole for a lot more as they, like us, would have lost money last season and they wouldn't have paid down any of those losses, we will. The left over figure could be a lot less than 42 million. I would doubt that any club gaining promotion could survive the first year without spending at least 25 to 30 million on new players, aprem level striker is going to cost upwards of 10 million. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

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