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Five in a row - now Ulloa relishes run-in

The Argus: Leo Ulloa celebrates his goal at Hull on Monday Leo Ulloa celebrates his goal at Hull on Monday

Leo Ulloa has laughed off the idea of being rested – and declared himself fit and ready for a play-off push.

The in-form striker aims to score for the sixth game in succession as Albion take on relegation-threatened Millwall at the Den.

He made it five in a row at Hull on Monday in a game many people expected him to sit out.

Ulloa admits he has suffered tired calf muscles after recent matches and is having treatment on an ankle problem.

But he insisted he always fancied playing at Hull – rather than taking the chance of a rest – and is relishing the run-in.

He told The Argus: “I want to keep converting chances because that is the best way I can help the team.

“I’m happy, I feel better. I don’t have any problems and I hope to keep going in the same way.

“We didn't know who was going to play at Hull but I was ready.

“In fact I really wanted to play at Hull because matches like this are good to play in.

“True, I was a bit tired but that's in your head.

“I convinced myself I was feeling good in these two days and gave it my best “The calf muscles felt a bit tired but that's all it was, just fatigued.

“I had a problem with my ankle but I've forgotten about it, I feel good.

“I've been having treatment and hopefully it will be fine.”

When Leo scored in six in a row - in The Argus today

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5:31am Thu 27 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Great attitude , Gus has plenty of hindsight critics, but ulloa when sold will cover half the losses from last year! I understand he was spotted by the old head scout who now works in Spain in management... Add the sale of bridcutt , profit on Barnes .. Ince value, and the point Vegas and other FFP commentators keep missing is we were a mid table spender under Gus !!
Yes Gus was a ego above his station, his constant desire to be centre of attention on tv etc.
But if we were mid table spender= highest income from the turn style then somewhere between those figures we were on low spending compared to most.
Mondays side with exclusion of Leo was all free ( excluding signing on fees)
When does the loan window close?
Great attitude , Gus has plenty of hindsight critics, but ulloa when sold will cover half the losses from last year! I understand he was spotted by the old head scout who now works in Spain in management... Add the sale of bridcutt , profit on Barnes .. Ince value, and the point Vegas and other FFP commentators keep missing is we were a mid table spender under Gus !! Yes Gus was a ego above his station, his constant desire to be centre of attention on tv etc. But if we were mid table spender= highest income from the turn style then somewhere between those figures we were on low spending compared to most. Mondays side with exclusion of Leo was all free ( excluding signing on fees) When does the loan window close? mark by the sea
  • Score: -12

6:19am Thu 27 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Lets remember the signings during the period of this 14 million loss,
Crofts 300k
TK free
Bridge loan
Ulloa 2 million.
Upson loan
And here is my point Vegas , some including you are loading the blame on Gus ... However no one has said including Burke that the manager over spent, what evidence is there to suggest Gus was to blame for half of the debt?
Name a championship club that made a profit?
Lets remember the signings during the period of this 14 million loss, Crofts 300k TK free Bridge loan Ulloa 2 million. Upson loan And here is my point Vegas , some including you are loading the blame on Gus ... However no one has said including Burke that the manager over spent, what evidence is there to suggest Gus was to blame for half of the debt? Name a championship club that made a profit? mark by the sea
  • Score: -6

6:34am Thu 27 Feb 14

Aldrington Halt says...

Keep em' flowin baby! Come on you seagulls!!!
Keep em' flowin baby! Come on you seagulls!!! Aldrington Halt
  • Score: 7

6:37am Thu 27 Feb 14

Eddy B says...

Well done Leo, I agree with pundits like Strachan and Savage. Play your best team (not sure we know what that is but that's another point). Don't buy this modern players too tired to play 3 games in a week - bless ' em.
Well done Leo, I agree with pundits like Strachan and Savage. Play your best team (not sure we know what that is but that's another point). Don't buy this modern players too tired to play 3 games in a week - bless ' em. Eddy B
  • Score: 6

6:51am Thu 27 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today
FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

7:21am Thu 27 Feb 14

albionfan33 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today
i used to like your views mark but it seems that you wont be happy until we are back at withdean with huge depts. if you have been following brighton for as long as you say you should be happy with the remarkably quick turnaround in our footballing fortunes and not wanting a quick rushed job to the prem like most of the newbies who didnt suffer gillingham or belloti/archer and withdean
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today[/p][/quote]i used to like your views mark but it seems that you wont be happy until we are back at withdean with huge depts. if you have been following brighton for as long as you say you should be happy with the remarkably quick turnaround in our footballing fortunes and not wanting a quick rushed job to the prem like most of the newbies who didnt suffer gillingham or belloti/archer and withdean albionfan33
  • Score: 26

7:32am Thu 27 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

albionfan33 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today
i used to like your views mark but it seems that you wont be happy until we are back at withdean with huge depts. if you have been following brighton for as long as you say you should be happy with the remarkably quick turnaround in our footballing fortunes and not wanting a quick rushed job to the prem like most of the newbies who didnt suffer gillingham or belloti/archer and withdean
No not at all, I just can't believe the rubbish some spout about FFP rules, even Burke has changed his tune.... My point is simple, how do we know Gus over spent? For instance cms Hoskins wages for last 12 months over 1 million.
The DS squad must cost 2 million in wages costs,
I keep reading Vegas and a few others telling us in the summer OG is going to clear the decks and sign quality,gain promotion and do it under fair play rules... And reason we lost 14 million is down to Gus!
4 million of that is ulloa and developement squad,
[quote][p][bold]albionfan33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today[/p][/quote]i used to like your views mark but it seems that you wont be happy until we are back at withdean with huge depts. if you have been following brighton for as long as you say you should be happy with the remarkably quick turnaround in our footballing fortunes and not wanting a quick rushed job to the prem like most of the newbies who didnt suffer gillingham or belloti/archer and withdean[/p][/quote]No not at all, I just can't believe the rubbish some spout about FFP rules, even Burke has changed his tune.... My point is simple, how do we know Gus over spent? For instance cms Hoskins wages for last 12 months over 1 million. The DS squad must cost 2 million in wages costs, I keep reading Vegas and a few others telling us in the summer OG is going to clear the decks and sign quality,gain promotion and do it under fair play rules... And reason we lost 14 million is down to Gus! 4 million of that is ulloa and developement squad, mark by the sea
  • Score: -11

7:37am Thu 27 Feb 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

albionfan33 says...


mark by the sea wrote:
FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today
i used to like your views mark but it seems that you wont be happy until we are back at withdean with huge depts. if you have been following brighton for as long as you say you should be happy with the remarkably quick turnaround in our footballing fortunes and not wanting a quick rushed job to the prem like most of the newbies who didnt suffer gillingham or belloti/archer and withdean.

Quite. FFP or no FFP what these spend, spend, spend merchants fail to grasp is that it's someone else's money they want to spend - i e Tony Bloom. Bloom is a businessman - not a philanthropist. The club must operate as a viable business not a charity case. We have a superb new stadium, top class training facilities on the way together with commercial developments to fund future player purchases and yet we still have this endlessly repeated mindless mantra being repeated of 'spend more on players'. Yes, well it hasn't done Man U, Leeds, Bolton, Wolves, Portsmouth much good has it ?
albionfan33 says... mark by the sea wrote: FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today i used to like your views mark but it seems that you wont be happy until we are back at withdean with huge depts. if you have been following brighton for as long as you say you should be happy with the remarkably quick turnaround in our footballing fortunes and not wanting a quick rushed job to the prem like most of the newbies who didnt suffer gillingham or belloti/archer and withdean. Quite. FFP or no FFP what these spend, spend, spend merchants fail to grasp is that it's someone else's money they want to spend - i e Tony Bloom. Bloom is a businessman - not a philanthropist. The club must operate as a viable business not a charity case. We have a superb new stadium, top class training facilities on the way together with commercial developments to fund future player purchases and yet we still have this endlessly repeated mindless mantra being repeated of 'spend more on players'. Yes, well it hasn't done Man U, Leeds, Bolton, Wolves, Portsmouth much good has it ? B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 18

7:42am Thu 27 Feb 14

namgo49 says...

Just like "there is no such thing as a free lunch" there is no such thing as a "free transfer" . Look at Cardiff who sacked MM because the budget spend of £30 mill was actually £50 mill with add ons. The likes of TK & Wayne Bridge would have cost a shed load to get in. Add to that the fees we did pay for the likes of Dobbie,and the development squad players then all adds up.

Very few clubs in the Championship pay fees. £2 mill for Ulloa is a lot of money, we'll worth it, but still a lot of money which other clubs would have sucked in breath at paying.

I am glad Ulloa is happy and up for the challenge. Let's hope we can do Holloway's team on Saturday just like we did the Palace pre-play offs at the Amex last season. Yes 3-0 will do nicely.
Just like "there is no such thing as a free lunch" there is no such thing as a "free transfer" . Look at Cardiff who sacked MM because the budget spend of £30 mill was actually £50 mill with add ons. The likes of TK & Wayne Bridge would have cost a shed load to get in. Add to that the fees we did pay for the likes of Dobbie,and the development squad players then all adds up. Very few clubs in the Championship pay fees. £2 mill for Ulloa is a lot of money, we'll worth it, but still a lot of money which other clubs would have sucked in breath at paying. I am glad Ulloa is happy and up for the challenge. Let's hope we can do Holloway's team on Saturday just like we did the Palace pre-play offs at the Amex last season. Yes 3-0 will do nicely. namgo49
  • Score: 10

7:46am Thu 27 Feb 14

namgo49 says...

namgo49 wrote:
Just like "there is no such thing as a free lunch" there is no such thing as a "free transfer" . Look at Cardiff who sacked MM because the budget spend of £30 mill was actually £50 mill with add ons. The likes of TK & Wayne Bridge would have cost a shed load to get in. Add to that the fees we did pay for the likes of Dobbie,and the development squad players then all adds up.

Very few clubs in the Championship pay fees. £2 mill for Ulloa is a lot of money, we'll worth it, but still a lot of money which other clubs would have sucked in breath at paying.

I am glad Ulloa is happy and up for the challenge. Let's hope we can do Holloway's team on Saturday just like we did the Palace pre-play offs at the Amex last season. Yes 3-0 will do nicely.
Sorry "well" not "we'll". The Argus predictive strikes again!!
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: Just like "there is no such thing as a free lunch" there is no such thing as a "free transfer" . Look at Cardiff who sacked MM because the budget spend of £30 mill was actually £50 mill with add ons. The likes of TK & Wayne Bridge would have cost a shed load to get in. Add to that the fees we did pay for the likes of Dobbie,and the development squad players then all adds up. Very few clubs in the Championship pay fees. £2 mill for Ulloa is a lot of money, we'll worth it, but still a lot of money which other clubs would have sucked in breath at paying. I am glad Ulloa is happy and up for the challenge. Let's hope we can do Holloway's team on Saturday just like we did the Palace pre-play offs at the Amex last season. Yes 3-0 will do nicely.[/p][/quote]Sorry "well" not "we'll". The Argus predictive strikes again!! namgo49
  • Score: 0

7:52am Thu 27 Feb 14

John1010 says...

Most of us fans mix short memories and impatience. The club has targeted play-offs for this season and we're still in with a decent shout for that, despite our injury list, some players struggling to find form and OG having to take the reins with virtually no pre-season. Everything being put in place at the club is about making us a sustainable force, able to get to the Premier League and stay there, developing our own talent AND doing it without going bust.
These are the good times, people - let's get behind the lads, recognise we're a work in progress and enjoy it.
Most of us fans mix short memories and impatience. The club has targeted play-offs for this season and we're still in with a decent shout for that, despite our injury list, some players struggling to find form and OG having to take the reins with virtually no pre-season. Everything being put in place at the club is about making us a sustainable force, able to get to the Premier League and stay there, developing our own talent AND doing it without going bust. These are the good times, people - let's get behind the lads, recognise we're a work in progress and enjoy it. John1010
  • Score: 26

7:54am Thu 27 Feb 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

John1010 says...

Most of us fans mix short memories and impatience. The club has targeted play-offs for this season and we're still in with a decent shout for that, despite our injury list, some players struggling to find form and OG having to take the reins with virtually no pre-season. Everything being put in place at the club is about making us a sustainable force, able to get to the Premier League and stay there, developing our own talent AND doing it without going bust.
These are the good times, people - let's get behind the lads, recognise we're a work in progress and enjoy it.

Sound man.
John1010 says... Most of us fans mix short memories and impatience. The club has targeted play-offs for this season and we're still in with a decent shout for that, despite our injury list, some players struggling to find form and OG having to take the reins with virtually no pre-season. Everything being put in place at the club is about making us a sustainable force, able to get to the Premier League and stay there, developing our own talent AND doing it without going bust. These are the good times, people - let's get behind the lads, recognise we're a work in progress and enjoy it. Sound man. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 9

8:11am Thu 27 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today
I'd love to know how clubs think they can challenge something that was agreed and signed up for.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today[/p][/quote]I'd love to know how clubs think they can challenge something that was agreed and signed up for. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 8

8:12am Thu 27 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

And Mark, please STOP referring to Barber as Burke. You've done it half a dozen times... get their names right!
And Mark, please STOP referring to Barber as Burke. You've done it half a dozen times... get their names right! Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

8:16am Thu 27 Feb 14

Aye Aye says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
albionfan33 says...


mark by the sea wrote:
FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today
i used to like your views mark but it seems that you wont be happy until we are back at withdean with huge depts. if you have been following brighton for as long as you say you should be happy with the remarkably quick turnaround in our footballing fortunes and not wanting a quick rushed job to the prem like most of the newbies who didnt suffer gillingham or belloti/archer and withdean.

Quite. FFP or no FFP what these spend, spend, spend merchants fail to grasp is that it's someone else's money they want to spend - i e Tony Bloom. Bloom is a businessman - not a philanthropist. The club must operate as a viable business not a charity case. We have a superb new stadium, top class training facilities on the way together with commercial developments to fund future player purchases and yet we still have this endlessly repeated mindless mantra being repeated of 'spend more on players'. Yes, well it hasn't done Man U, Leeds, Bolton, Wolves, Portsmouth much good has it ?
www.theguardian.com/
football/2014/feb/26
/financial-fair-play
-championship-clubs-
threat-football-leag
ue
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: albionfan33 says... mark by the sea wrote: FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today i used to like your views mark but it seems that you wont be happy until we are back at withdean with huge depts. if you have been following brighton for as long as you say you should be happy with the remarkably quick turnaround in our footballing fortunes and not wanting a quick rushed job to the prem like most of the newbies who didnt suffer gillingham or belloti/archer and withdean. Quite. FFP or no FFP what these spend, spend, spend merchants fail to grasp is that it's someone else's money they want to spend - i e Tony Bloom. Bloom is a businessman - not a philanthropist. The club must operate as a viable business not a charity case. We have a superb new stadium, top class training facilities on the way together with commercial developments to fund future player purchases and yet we still have this endlessly repeated mindless mantra being repeated of 'spend more on players'. Yes, well it hasn't done Man U, Leeds, Bolton, Wolves, Portsmouth much good has it ?[/p][/quote]www.theguardian.com/ football/2014/feb/26 /financial-fair-play -championship-clubs- threat-football-leag ue Aye Aye
  • Score: 0

8:17am Thu 27 Feb 14

Aye Aye says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today
I'd love to know how clubs think they can challenge something that was agreed and signed up for.
......if was agreed by an overwhelming majority too.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today[/p][/quote]I'd love to know how clubs think they can challenge something that was agreed and signed up for.[/p][/quote]......if was agreed by an overwhelming majority too. Aye Aye
  • Score: 5

8:20am Thu 27 Feb 14

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

"Leonardo is his name and he scores a goal a game!"
"Leonardo is his name and he scores a goal a game!" Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
  • Score: 6

8:22am Thu 27 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today
I'd love to know how clubs think they can challenge something that was agreed and signed up for.
Qpr , Leicester , wolves... Contracts can be over turned because they can come under various laws .. If you sign a work contract that is unlawful it's null and void,
We have seen it with laws the government has passed and been overturned by the EU and the House of Lords .. The hook preacher from London a prime example,
I am not saying spend spend, but Burke and co are now being praised for doing what so far? Were they not employed when we made a 14 million pound loss? How many CEO would still be employed?
This summer will be everything, Burke can find his bargains like grabbidan
Obika and rodders ... And we can say goodbye to TK upson Buckley .
How many of you have total faith in what quality is coming in?
Let's put it this way, player of the year? Ulloa, upson crofts ince, I don't think Andrews kemy or obika will bother the scorers !
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today[/p][/quote]I'd love to know how clubs think they can challenge something that was agreed and signed up for.[/p][/quote]Qpr , Leicester , wolves... Contracts can be over turned because they can come under various laws .. If you sign a work contract that is unlawful it's null and void, We have seen it with laws the government has passed and been overturned by the EU and the House of Lords .. The hook preacher from London a prime example, I am not saying spend spend, but Burke and co are now being praised for doing what so far? Were they not employed when we made a 14 million pound loss? How many CEO would still be employed? This summer will be everything, Burke can find his bargains like grabbidan Obika and rodders ... And we can say goodbye to TK upson Buckley . How many of you have total faith in what quality is coming in? Let's put it this way, player of the year? Ulloa, upson crofts ince, I don't think Andrews kemy or obika will bother the scorers ! mark by the sea
  • Score: -6

8:38am Thu 27 Feb 14

Piglet1 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today
I'd love to know how clubs think they can challenge something that was agreed and signed up for.
Qpr , Leicester , wolves... Contracts can be over turned because they can come under various laws .. If you sign a work contract that is unlawful it's null and void,
We have seen it with laws the government has passed and been overturned by the EU and the House of Lords .. The hook preacher from London a prime example,
I am not saying spend spend, but Burke and co are now being praised for doing what so far? Were they not employed when we made a 14 million pound loss? How many CEO would still be employed?
This summer will be everything, Burke can find his bargains like grabbidan
Obika and rodders ... And we can say goodbye to TK upson Buckley .
How many of you have total faith in what quality is coming in?
Let's put it this way, player of the year? Ulloa, upson crofts ince, I don't think Andrews kemy or obika will bother the scorers !
Oh dear - please go and have a lie down.
The fact is if you are going to spend more money, FFP or not, you need someone who is prepared to provide it. Tony Bloom is already providing huge amounts so are you offering?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today[/p][/quote]I'd love to know how clubs think they can challenge something that was agreed and signed up for.[/p][/quote]Qpr , Leicester , wolves... Contracts can be over turned because they can come under various laws .. If you sign a work contract that is unlawful it's null and void, We have seen it with laws the government has passed and been overturned by the EU and the House of Lords .. The hook preacher from London a prime example, I am not saying spend spend, but Burke and co are now being praised for doing what so far? Were they not employed when we made a 14 million pound loss? How many CEO would still be employed? This summer will be everything, Burke can find his bargains like grabbidan Obika and rodders ... And we can say goodbye to TK upson Buckley . How many of you have total faith in what quality is coming in? Let's put it this way, player of the year? Ulloa, upson crofts ince, I don't think Andrews kemy or obika will bother the scorers ![/p][/quote]Oh dear - please go and have a lie down. The fact is if you are going to spend more money, FFP or not, you need someone who is prepared to provide it. Tony Bloom is already providing huge amounts so are you offering? Piglet1
  • Score: 4

8:45am Thu 27 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Piglet1 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today
I'd love to know how clubs think they can challenge something that was agreed and signed up for.
Qpr , Leicester , wolves... Contracts can be over turned because they can come under various laws .. If you sign a work contract that is unlawful it's null and void,
We have seen it with laws the government has passed and been overturned by the EU and the House of Lords .. The hook preacher from London a prime example,
I am not saying spend spend, but Burke and co are now being praised for doing what so far? Were they not employed when we made a 14 million pound loss? How many CEO would still be employed?
This summer will be everything, Burke can find his bargains like grabbidan
Obika and rodders ... And we can say goodbye to TK upson Buckley .
How many of you have total faith in what quality is coming in?
Let's put it this way, player of the year? Ulloa, upson crofts ince, I don't think Andrews kemy or obika will bother the scorers !
Oh dear - please go and have a lie down.
The fact is if you are going to spend more money, FFP or not, you need someone who is prepared to provide it. Tony Bloom is already providing huge amounts so are you offering?
I offer to buy my season ticket as I do each season, let's see in 6 months where we are with the squad and attendances,
[quote][p][bold]Piglet1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today[/p][/quote]I'd love to know how clubs think they can challenge something that was agreed and signed up for.[/p][/quote]Qpr , Leicester , wolves... Contracts can be over turned because they can come under various laws .. If you sign a work contract that is unlawful it's null and void, We have seen it with laws the government has passed and been overturned by the EU and the House of Lords .. The hook preacher from London a prime example, I am not saying spend spend, but Burke and co are now being praised for doing what so far? Were they not employed when we made a 14 million pound loss? How many CEO would still be employed? This summer will be everything, Burke can find his bargains like grabbidan Obika and rodders ... And we can say goodbye to TK upson Buckley . How many of you have total faith in what quality is coming in? Let's put it this way, player of the year? Ulloa, upson crofts ince, I don't think Andrews kemy or obika will bother the scorers ![/p][/quote]Oh dear - please go and have a lie down. The fact is if you are going to spend more money, FFP or not, you need someone who is prepared to provide it. Tony Bloom is already providing huge amounts so are you offering?[/p][/quote]I offer to buy my season ticket as I do each season, let's see in 6 months where we are with the squad and attendances, mark by the sea
  • Score: -5

8:59am Thu 27 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today
I'd love to know how clubs think they can challenge something that was agreed and signed up for.
Exactly. What a surprise that the three clubs suggested are now challenging the 30MPH limit after driving at 70. The big blue flashing light has suddenly appeared in the rearview mirror and they're now worried about the breath test.
UNLUCKY
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today[/p][/quote]I'd love to know how clubs think they can challenge something that was agreed and signed up for.[/p][/quote]Exactly. What a surprise that the three clubs suggested are now challenging the 30MPH limit after driving at 70. The big blue flashing light has suddenly appeared in the rearview mirror and they're now worried about the breath test. UNLUCKY Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 13

9:03am Thu 27 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
albionfan33 says...


mark by the sea wrote:
FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today
i used to like your views mark but it seems that you wont be happy until we are back at withdean with huge depts. if you have been following brighton for as long as you say you should be happy with the remarkably quick turnaround in our footballing fortunes and not wanting a quick rushed job to the prem like most of the newbies who didnt suffer gillingham or belloti/archer and withdean.

Quite. FFP or no FFP what these spend, spend, spend merchants fail to grasp is that it's someone else's money they want to spend - i e Tony Bloom. Bloom is a businessman - not a philanthropist. The club must operate as a viable business not a charity case. We have a superb new stadium, top class training facilities on the way together with commercial developments to fund future player purchases and yet we still have this endlessly repeated mindless mantra being repeated of 'spend more on players'. Yes, well it hasn't done Man U, Leeds, Bolton, Wolves, Portsmouth much good has it ?
Totally agree BTLF.
I do not care whether we're mid-table spenders or top-of-the-table spenders, those in charge are managing the finances appropriate to US.
It's a funny thing, but there's a very good reason why I don't drive a Ferrari.
Of course, if Mr. Bloom would like to buy me one........
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: albionfan33 says... mark by the sea wrote: FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today i used to like your views mark but it seems that you wont be happy until we are back at withdean with huge depts. if you have been following brighton for as long as you say you should be happy with the remarkably quick turnaround in our footballing fortunes and not wanting a quick rushed job to the prem like most of the newbies who didnt suffer gillingham or belloti/archer and withdean. Quite. FFP or no FFP what these spend, spend, spend merchants fail to grasp is that it's someone else's money they want to spend - i e Tony Bloom. Bloom is a businessman - not a philanthropist. The club must operate as a viable business not a charity case. We have a superb new stadium, top class training facilities on the way together with commercial developments to fund future player purchases and yet we still have this endlessly repeated mindless mantra being repeated of 'spend more on players'. Yes, well it hasn't done Man U, Leeds, Bolton, Wolves, Portsmouth much good has it ?[/p][/quote]Totally agree BTLF. I do not care whether we're mid-table spenders or top-of-the-table spenders, those in charge are managing the finances appropriate to US. It's a funny thing, but there's a very good reason why I don't drive a Ferrari. Of course, if Mr. Bloom would like to buy me one........ Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

9:19am Thu 27 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
albionfan33 says...


mark by the sea wrote:
FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today
i used to like your views mark but it seems that you wont be happy until we are back at withdean with huge depts. if you have been following brighton for as long as you say you should be happy with the remarkably quick turnaround in our footballing fortunes and not wanting a quick rushed job to the prem like most of the newbies who didnt suffer gillingham or belloti/archer and withdean.

Quite. FFP or no FFP what these spend, spend, spend merchants fail to grasp is that it's someone else's money they want to spend - i e Tony Bloom. Bloom is a businessman - not a philanthropist. The club must operate as a viable business not a charity case. We have a superb new stadium, top class training facilities on the way together with commercial developments to fund future player purchases and yet we still have this endlessly repeated mindless mantra being repeated of 'spend more on players'. Yes, well it hasn't done Man U, Leeds, Bolton, Wolves, Portsmouth much good has it ?
Totally agree BTLF.
I do not care whether we're mid-table spenders or top-of-the-table spenders, those in charge are managing the finances appropriate to US.
It's a funny thing, but there's a very good reason why I don't drive a Ferrari.
Of course, if Mr. Bloom would like to buy me one........
January sales= 4.5 million.
January purchase 500k
What's important is to lift the fans and bring a loan player or two in,
Lots of you are doing maths based on 23500 season ticket sales.
Lose 3000 and that's about 2 m if you include merchandising .
Prudent spending now will push us for a play off spot and lift the fans hopes for next season.. FFP rules are used as excuses for having one fit forward .
If we can hold our season ticket sales and cut costs, we should be better placed than 20 other clubs next season.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: albionfan33 says... mark by the sea wrote: FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today i used to like your views mark but it seems that you wont be happy until we are back at withdean with huge depts. if you have been following brighton for as long as you say you should be happy with the remarkably quick turnaround in our footballing fortunes and not wanting a quick rushed job to the prem like most of the newbies who didnt suffer gillingham or belloti/archer and withdean. Quite. FFP or no FFP what these spend, spend, spend merchants fail to grasp is that it's someone else's money they want to spend - i e Tony Bloom. Bloom is a businessman - not a philanthropist. The club must operate as a viable business not a charity case. We have a superb new stadium, top class training facilities on the way together with commercial developments to fund future player purchases and yet we still have this endlessly repeated mindless mantra being repeated of 'spend more on players'. Yes, well it hasn't done Man U, Leeds, Bolton, Wolves, Portsmouth much good has it ?[/p][/quote]Totally agree BTLF. I do not care whether we're mid-table spenders or top-of-the-table spenders, those in charge are managing the finances appropriate to US. It's a funny thing, but there's a very good reason why I don't drive a Ferrari. Of course, if Mr. Bloom would like to buy me one........[/p][/quote]January sales= 4.5 million. January purchase 500k What's important is to lift the fans and bring a loan player or two in, Lots of you are doing maths based on 23500 season ticket sales. Lose 3000 and that's about 2 m if you include merchandising . Prudent spending now will push us for a play off spot and lift the fans hopes for next season.. FFP rules are used as excuses for having one fit forward . If we can hold our season ticket sales and cut costs, we should be better placed than 20 other clubs next season. mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

9:20am Thu 27 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today
I'd love to know how clubs think they can challenge something that was agreed and signed up for.
Qpr , Leicester , wolves... Contracts can be over turned because they can come under various laws .. If you sign a work contract that is unlawful it's null and void,
We have seen it with laws the government has passed and been overturned by the EU and the House of Lords .. The hook preacher from London a prime example,
I am not saying spend spend, but Burke and co are now being praised for doing what so far? Were they not employed when we made a 14 million pound loss? How many CEO would still be employed?
This summer will be everything, Burke can find his bargains like grabbidan
Obika and rodders ... And we can say goodbye to TK upson Buckley .
How many of you have total faith in what quality is coming in?
Let's put it this way, player of the year? Ulloa, upson crofts ince, I don't think Andrews kemy or obika will bother the scorers !
These contracts were drawn up over two years of negotiation, so the clubs knew what they were entering into.

As someone else mentioned above, these clubs are getting jittery that their massive gambles will not pay off. Eight overspending clubs into three promotion places does not go.

I don't think anyone with any degree of actual knowledge is suggesting that Barber is doing anything other than a good job. It is a new stadium and there are associated cost. It is no surprise that the club are losing money, after all, how long was is that, say, Amazon started turning a profit? In fact I'm not sure they have yet, but are they being poorly run? No, of course not. Barber is bringing the costs of the club down and bringing the income up, but it will take time. Sheesh, we are so impatient!

And still, despite saying you're not advocating spending someone else's money (as believable as your claim you're 'not all doom and gloom'), you still complain about the players coming in. These are going to have to be cheaper than bringing in your Wickhams and your Frimpongs, precisely because Barber is not going to risk the very future of the club.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today[/p][/quote]I'd love to know how clubs think they can challenge something that was agreed and signed up for.[/p][/quote]Qpr , Leicester , wolves... Contracts can be over turned because they can come under various laws .. If you sign a work contract that is unlawful it's null and void, We have seen it with laws the government has passed and been overturned by the EU and the House of Lords .. The hook preacher from London a prime example, I am not saying spend spend, but Burke and co are now being praised for doing what so far? Were they not employed when we made a 14 million pound loss? How many CEO would still be employed? This summer will be everything, Burke can find his bargains like grabbidan Obika and rodders ... And we can say goodbye to TK upson Buckley . How many of you have total faith in what quality is coming in? Let's put it this way, player of the year? Ulloa, upson crofts ince, I don't think Andrews kemy or obika will bother the scorers ![/p][/quote]These contracts were drawn up over two years of negotiation, so the clubs knew what they were entering into. As someone else mentioned above, these clubs are getting jittery that their massive gambles will not pay off. Eight overspending clubs into three promotion places does not go. I don't think anyone with any degree of actual knowledge is suggesting that Barber is doing anything other than a good job. It is a new stadium and there are associated cost. It is no surprise that the club are losing money, after all, how long was is that, say, Amazon started turning a profit? In fact I'm not sure they have yet, but are they being poorly run? No, of course not. Barber is bringing the costs of the club down and bringing the income up, but it will take time. Sheesh, we are so impatient! And still, despite saying you're not advocating spending someone else's money (as believable as your claim you're 'not all doom and gloom'), you still complain about the players coming in. These are going to have to be cheaper than bringing in your Wickhams and your Frimpongs, precisely because Barber is not going to risk the very future of the club. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

9:24am Thu 27 Feb 14

championshipgull says...

Although there is a case for resting some of the older players, with others it is better to play them so they keep their form and the team keep the winning momentum going IMO. Leo is one of those players. Tomasz is another the only time I have seen him slightly off form is when he has been rested, It’s not as if he runs round the field for 90mins is it. Anyway 4 points behind and a game in hand. With Leo scoring as he is, I fully expect us to be in a play off spot sooner rather than later. Still need some goals from elsewhere though
Although there is a case for resting some of the older players, with others it is better to play them so they keep their form and the team keep the winning momentum going IMO. Leo is one of those players. Tomasz is another the only time I have seen him slightly off form is when he has been rested, It’s not as if he runs round the field for 90mins is it. Anyway 4 points behind and a game in hand. With Leo scoring as he is, I fully expect us to be in a play off spot sooner rather than later. Still need some goals from elsewhere though championshipgull
  • Score: 10

9:34am Thu 27 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
albionfan33 says...


mark by the sea wrote:
FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today
i used to like your views mark but it seems that you wont be happy until we are back at withdean with huge depts. if you have been following brighton for as long as you say you should be happy with the remarkably quick turnaround in our footballing fortunes and not wanting a quick rushed job to the prem like most of the newbies who didnt suffer gillingham or belloti/archer and withdean.

Quite. FFP or no FFP what these spend, spend, spend merchants fail to grasp is that it's someone else's money they want to spend - i e Tony Bloom. Bloom is a businessman - not a philanthropist. The club must operate as a viable business not a charity case. We have a superb new stadium, top class training facilities on the way together with commercial developments to fund future player purchases and yet we still have this endlessly repeated mindless mantra being repeated of 'spend more on players'. Yes, well it hasn't done Man U, Leeds, Bolton, Wolves, Portsmouth much good has it ?
Totally agree BTLF.
I do not care whether we're mid-table spenders or top-of-the-table spenders, those in charge are managing the finances appropriate to US.
It's a funny thing, but there's a very good reason why I don't drive a Ferrari.
Of course, if Mr. Bloom would like to buy me one........
January sales= 4.5 million.
January purchase 500k
What's important is to lift the fans and bring a loan player or two in,
Lots of you are doing maths based on 23500 season ticket sales.
Lose 3000 and that's about 2 m if you include merchandising .
Prudent spending now will push us for a play off spot and lift the fans hopes for next season.. FFP rules are used as excuses for having one fit forward .
If we can hold our season ticket sales and cut costs, we should be better placed than 20 other clubs next season.
MBTS, Sorry mate, but you really don't get it. Sure, we brought in more money than we spent in January, but we also posted losses of £14m. I don't tihnk they made that figure up for a bit of laugh..
Speculating to accumulating only works if your speculate with money you already have."Prudent spending now" on loan signings will NOT guarantee a play off spot and your pay off is a belter....
"If we can hold our season ticket sales and cut costs, we should be better placed than 20 other clubs next season." EXACTLY.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: albionfan33 says... mark by the sea wrote: FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today i used to like your views mark but it seems that you wont be happy until we are back at withdean with huge depts. if you have been following brighton for as long as you say you should be happy with the remarkably quick turnaround in our footballing fortunes and not wanting a quick rushed job to the prem like most of the newbies who didnt suffer gillingham or belloti/archer and withdean. Quite. FFP or no FFP what these spend, spend, spend merchants fail to grasp is that it's someone else's money they want to spend - i e Tony Bloom. Bloom is a businessman - not a philanthropist. The club must operate as a viable business not a charity case. We have a superb new stadium, top class training facilities on the way together with commercial developments to fund future player purchases and yet we still have this endlessly repeated mindless mantra being repeated of 'spend more on players'. Yes, well it hasn't done Man U, Leeds, Bolton, Wolves, Portsmouth much good has it ?[/p][/quote]Totally agree BTLF. I do not care whether we're mid-table spenders or top-of-the-table spenders, those in charge are managing the finances appropriate to US. It's a funny thing, but there's a very good reason why I don't drive a Ferrari. Of course, if Mr. Bloom would like to buy me one........[/p][/quote]January sales= 4.5 million. January purchase 500k What's important is to lift the fans and bring a loan player or two in, Lots of you are doing maths based on 23500 season ticket sales. Lose 3000 and that's about 2 m if you include merchandising . Prudent spending now will push us for a play off spot and lift the fans hopes for next season.. FFP rules are used as excuses for having one fit forward . If we can hold our season ticket sales and cut costs, we should be better placed than 20 other clubs next season.[/p][/quote]MBTS, Sorry mate, but you really don't get it. Sure, we brought in more money than we spent in January, but we also posted losses of £14m. I don't tihnk they made that figure up for a bit of laugh.. Speculating to accumulating only works if your speculate with money you already have."Prudent spending now" on loan signings will NOT guarantee a play off spot and your pay off is a belter.... "If we can hold our season ticket sales and cut costs, we should be better placed than 20 other clubs next season." EXACTLY. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 4

9:39am Thu 27 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today
I'd love to know how clubs think they can challenge something that was agreed and signed up for.
Qpr , Leicester , wolves... Contracts can be over turned because they can come under various laws .. If you sign a work contract that is unlawful it's null and void,
We have seen it with laws the government has passed and been overturned by the EU and the House of Lords .. The hook preacher from London a prime example,
I am not saying spend spend, but Burke and co are now being praised for doing what so far? Were they not employed when we made a 14 million pound loss? How many CEO would still be employed?
This summer will be everything, Burke can find his bargains like grabbidan
Obika and rodders ... And we can say goodbye to TK upson Buckley .
How many of you have total faith in what quality is coming in?
Let's put it this way, player of the year? Ulloa, upson crofts ince, I don't think Andrews kemy or obika will bother the scorers !
These contracts were drawn up over two years of negotiation, so the clubs knew what they were entering into.

As someone else mentioned above, these clubs are getting jittery that their massive gambles will not pay off. Eight overspending clubs into three promotion places does not go.

I don't think anyone with any degree of actual knowledge is suggesting that Barber is doing anything other than a good job. It is a new stadium and there are associated cost. It is no surprise that the club are losing money, after all, how long was is that, say, Amazon started turning a profit? In fact I'm not sure they have yet, but are they being poorly run? No, of course not. Barber is bringing the costs of the club down and bringing the income up, but it will take time. Sheesh, we are so impatient!

And still, despite saying you're not advocating spending someone else's money (as believable as your claim you're 'not all doom and gloom'), you still complain about the players coming in. These are going to have to be cheaper than bringing in your Wickhams and your Frimpongs, precisely because Barber is not going to risk the very future of the club.
Hindsight , I think wickham a better proposition to grabbidan any day of the week,
We lost 14 million, how many clubs made money in the championship?
My point is , and the FFP rules were brought in to stop over spending in the championship mainly.. It can't continue for any club,
Gus did a fantastic job, ( you love stats,.... Had we score our penalties at the championship average we would have been top two)
I think football has to toughen up, that's not going to happen over night, players like cms have a contract at 17 a week, we will never get him out the door even if we want to! That's the same for many clubs,
Income = bums on seats! That is where we need to have vision,
We have found 20000 who never went to withdean, are they fickle?
I don't want to sit in a stadium with 20000 with a third of seats empty.
You seem to think I disagree with FFP .. If we had a Russian billionaire!
Since the Bosman ruling players true value has been masked by clubs desire for quick success..only people doing well are players and agents..
Clubs should be earning money! Who would invest 130 million and accept to losing every year!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today[/p][/quote]I'd love to know how clubs think they can challenge something that was agreed and signed up for.[/p][/quote]Qpr , Leicester , wolves... Contracts can be over turned because they can come under various laws .. If you sign a work contract that is unlawful it's null and void, We have seen it with laws the government has passed and been overturned by the EU and the House of Lords .. The hook preacher from London a prime example, I am not saying spend spend, but Burke and co are now being praised for doing what so far? Were they not employed when we made a 14 million pound loss? How many CEO would still be employed? This summer will be everything, Burke can find his bargains like grabbidan Obika and rodders ... And we can say goodbye to TK upson Buckley . How many of you have total faith in what quality is coming in? Let's put it this way, player of the year? Ulloa, upson crofts ince, I don't think Andrews kemy or obika will bother the scorers ![/p][/quote]These contracts were drawn up over two years of negotiation, so the clubs knew what they were entering into. As someone else mentioned above, these clubs are getting jittery that their massive gambles will not pay off. Eight overspending clubs into three promotion places does not go. I don't think anyone with any degree of actual knowledge is suggesting that Barber is doing anything other than a good job. It is a new stadium and there are associated cost. It is no surprise that the club are losing money, after all, how long was is that, say, Amazon started turning a profit? In fact I'm not sure they have yet, but are they being poorly run? No, of course not. Barber is bringing the costs of the club down and bringing the income up, but it will take time. Sheesh, we are so impatient! And still, despite saying you're not advocating spending someone else's money (as believable as your claim you're 'not all doom and gloom'), you still complain about the players coming in. These are going to have to be cheaper than bringing in your Wickhams and your Frimpongs, precisely because Barber is not going to risk the very future of the club.[/p][/quote]Hindsight , I think wickham a better proposition to grabbidan any day of the week, We lost 14 million, how many clubs made money in the championship? My point is , and the FFP rules were brought in to stop over spending in the championship mainly.. It can't continue for any club, Gus did a fantastic job, ( you love stats,.... Had we score our penalties at the championship average we would have been top two) I think football has to toughen up, that's not going to happen over night, players like cms have a contract at 17 a week, we will never get him out the door even if we want to! That's the same for many clubs, Income = bums on seats! That is where we need to have vision, We have found 20000 who never went to withdean, are they fickle? I don't want to sit in a stadium with 20000 with a third of seats empty. You seem to think I disagree with FFP .. If we had a Russian billionaire! Since the Bosman ruling players true value has been masked by clubs desire for quick success..only people doing well are players and agents.. Clubs should be earning money! Who would invest 130 million and accept to losing every year! mark by the sea
  • Score: -1

9:50am Thu 27 Feb 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
albionfan33 says...


mark by the sea wrote:
FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today
i used to like your views mark but it seems that you wont be happy until we are back at withdean with huge depts. if you have been following brighton for as long as you say you should be happy with the remarkably quick turnaround in our footballing fortunes and not wanting a quick rushed job to the prem like most of the newbies who didnt suffer gillingham or belloti/archer and withdean.

Quite. FFP or no FFP what these spend, spend, spend merchants fail to grasp is that it's someone else's money they want to spend - i e Tony Bloom. Bloom is a businessman - not a philanthropist. The club must operate as a viable business not a charity case. We have a superb new stadium, top class training facilities on the way together with commercial developments to fund future player purchases and yet we still have this endlessly repeated mindless mantra being repeated of 'spend more on players'. Yes, well it hasn't done Man U, Leeds, Bolton, Wolves, Portsmouth much good has it ?
Totally agree BTLF.
I do not care whether we're mid-table spenders or top-of-the-table spenders, those in charge are managing the finances appropriate to US.
It's a funny thing, but there's a very good reason why I don't drive a Ferrari.
Of course, if Mr. Bloom would like to buy me one........
January sales= 4.5 million.
January purchase 500k
What's important is to lift the fans and bring a loan player or two in,
Lots of you are doing maths based on 23500 season ticket sales.
Lose 3000 and that's about 2 m if you include merchandising .
Prudent spending now will push us for a play off spot and lift the fans hopes for next season.. FFP rules are used as excuses for having one fit forward .
If we can hold our season ticket sales and cut costs, we should be better placed than 20 other clubs next season.
MBTS, Sorry mate, but you really don't get it. Sure, we brought in more money than we spent in January, but we also posted losses of £14m. I don't tihnk they made that figure up for a bit of laugh..
Speculating to accumulating only works if your speculate with money you already have."Prudent spending now" on loan signings will NOT guarantee a play off spot and your pay off is a belter....
"If we can hold our season ticket sales and cut costs, we should be better placed than 20 other clubs next season." EXACTLY.
That's my point, I don't think a play off is likely, but if your saying selling players to cut debt is the answer, we will have a empty stadium ..
Ulloa without doubt will be wanted this summer, should we sell?
Sell Buckley? Sell ince? You can't expect people who have just found the Albion to part with money to watch second rate players .. That is a recipe for failure.
Do we take 8 million for ulloa?
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: albionfan33 says... mark by the sea wrote: FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today i used to like your views mark but it seems that you wont be happy until we are back at withdean with huge depts. if you have been following brighton for as long as you say you should be happy with the remarkably quick turnaround in our footballing fortunes and not wanting a quick rushed job to the prem like most of the newbies who didnt suffer gillingham or belloti/archer and withdean. Quite. FFP or no FFP what these spend, spend, spend merchants fail to grasp is that it's someone else's money they want to spend - i e Tony Bloom. Bloom is a businessman - not a philanthropist. The club must operate as a viable business not a charity case. We have a superb new stadium, top class training facilities on the way together with commercial developments to fund future player purchases and yet we still have this endlessly repeated mindless mantra being repeated of 'spend more on players'. Yes, well it hasn't done Man U, Leeds, Bolton, Wolves, Portsmouth much good has it ?[/p][/quote]Totally agree BTLF. I do not care whether we're mid-table spenders or top-of-the-table spenders, those in charge are managing the finances appropriate to US. It's a funny thing, but there's a very good reason why I don't drive a Ferrari. Of course, if Mr. Bloom would like to buy me one........[/p][/quote]January sales= 4.5 million. January purchase 500k What's important is to lift the fans and bring a loan player or two in, Lots of you are doing maths based on 23500 season ticket sales. Lose 3000 and that's about 2 m if you include merchandising . Prudent spending now will push us for a play off spot and lift the fans hopes for next season.. FFP rules are used as excuses for having one fit forward . If we can hold our season ticket sales and cut costs, we should be better placed than 20 other clubs next season.[/p][/quote]MBTS, Sorry mate, but you really don't get it. Sure, we brought in more money than we spent in January, but we also posted losses of £14m. I don't tihnk they made that figure up for a bit of laugh.. Speculating to accumulating only works if your speculate with money you already have."Prudent spending now" on loan signings will NOT guarantee a play off spot and your pay off is a belter.... "If we can hold our season ticket sales and cut costs, we should be better placed than 20 other clubs next season." EXACTLY.[/p][/quote]That's my point, I don't think a play off is likely, but if your saying selling players to cut debt is the answer, we will have a empty stadium .. Ulloa without doubt will be wanted this summer, should we sell? Sell Buckley? Sell ince? You can't expect people who have just found the Albion to part with money to watch second rate players .. That is a recipe for failure. Do we take 8 million for ulloa? mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

9:55am Thu 27 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today
I'd love to know how clubs think they can challenge something that was agreed and signed up for.
Qpr , Leicester , wolves... Contracts can be over turned because they can come under various laws .. If you sign a work contract that is unlawful it's null and void,
We have seen it with laws the government has passed and been overturned by the EU and the House of Lords .. The hook preacher from London a prime example,
I am not saying spend spend, but Burke and co are now being praised for doing what so far? Were they not employed when we made a 14 million pound loss? How many CEO would still be employed?
This summer will be everything, Burke can find his bargains like grabbidan
Obika and rodders ... And we can say goodbye to TK upson Buckley .
How many of you have total faith in what quality is coming in?
Let's put it this way, player of the year? Ulloa, upson crofts ince, I don't think Andrews kemy or obika will bother the scorers !
These contracts were drawn up over two years of negotiation, so the clubs knew what they were entering into.

As someone else mentioned above, these clubs are getting jittery that their massive gambles will not pay off. Eight overspending clubs into three promotion places does not go.

I don't think anyone with any degree of actual knowledge is suggesting that Barber is doing anything other than a good job. It is a new stadium and there are associated cost. It is no surprise that the club are losing money, after all, how long was is that, say, Amazon started turning a profit? In fact I'm not sure they have yet, but are they being poorly run? No, of course not. Barber is bringing the costs of the club down and bringing the income up, but it will take time. Sheesh, we are so impatient!

And still, despite saying you're not advocating spending someone else's money (as believable as your claim you're 'not all doom and gloom'), you still complain about the players coming in. These are going to have to be cheaper than bringing in your Wickhams and your Frimpongs, precisely because Barber is not going to risk the very future of the club.
Hindsight , I think wickham a better proposition to grabbidan any day of the week,
We lost 14 million, how many clubs made money in the championship?
My point is , and the FFP rules were brought in to stop over spending in the championship mainly.. It can't continue for any club,
Gus did a fantastic job, ( you love stats,.... Had we score our penalties at the championship average we would have been top two)
I think football has to toughen up, that's not going to happen over night, players like cms have a contract at 17 a week, we will never get him out the door even if we want to! That's the same for many clubs,
Income = bums on seats! That is where we need to have vision,
We have found 20000 who never went to withdean, are they fickle?
I don't want to sit in a stadium with 20000 with a third of seats empty.
You seem to think I disagree with FFP .. If we had a Russian billionaire!
Since the Bosman ruling players true value has been masked by clubs desire for quick success..only people doing well are players and agents..
Clubs should be earning money! Who would invest 130 million and accept to losing every year!
Sorry, but the harsh fact is that income does not only equal bums on seats. In the modern era, attendance - and the associated benefits - is going further and further down the pecking order against things like broadcasting and commercial revenue. It's a factor, of course, but not a singular answer.
The club could sell an extra 100 shirts a week, but it's a spot in the ocean when it comes to signing or loaning players.
It's a balancing act and my own opinion is the club is attempting to do it in a responsible fashion. Don't spend what you haven't got.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today[/p][/quote]I'd love to know how clubs think they can challenge something that was agreed and signed up for.[/p][/quote]Qpr , Leicester , wolves... Contracts can be over turned because they can come under various laws .. If you sign a work contract that is unlawful it's null and void, We have seen it with laws the government has passed and been overturned by the EU and the House of Lords .. The hook preacher from London a prime example, I am not saying spend spend, but Burke and co are now being praised for doing what so far? Were they not employed when we made a 14 million pound loss? How many CEO would still be employed? This summer will be everything, Burke can find his bargains like grabbidan Obika and rodders ... And we can say goodbye to TK upson Buckley . How many of you have total faith in what quality is coming in? Let's put it this way, player of the year? Ulloa, upson crofts ince, I don't think Andrews kemy or obika will bother the scorers ![/p][/quote]These contracts were drawn up over two years of negotiation, so the clubs knew what they were entering into. As someone else mentioned above, these clubs are getting jittery that their massive gambles will not pay off. Eight overspending clubs into three promotion places does not go. I don't think anyone with any degree of actual knowledge is suggesting that Barber is doing anything other than a good job. It is a new stadium and there are associated cost. It is no surprise that the club are losing money, after all, how long was is that, say, Amazon started turning a profit? In fact I'm not sure they have yet, but are they being poorly run? No, of course not. Barber is bringing the costs of the club down and bringing the income up, but it will take time. Sheesh, we are so impatient! And still, despite saying you're not advocating spending someone else's money (as believable as your claim you're 'not all doom and gloom'), you still complain about the players coming in. These are going to have to be cheaper than bringing in your Wickhams and your Frimpongs, precisely because Barber is not going to risk the very future of the club.[/p][/quote]Hindsight , I think wickham a better proposition to grabbidan any day of the week, We lost 14 million, how many clubs made money in the championship? My point is , and the FFP rules were brought in to stop over spending in the championship mainly.. It can't continue for any club, Gus did a fantastic job, ( you love stats,.... Had we score our penalties at the championship average we would have been top two) I think football has to toughen up, that's not going to happen over night, players like cms have a contract at 17 a week, we will never get him out the door even if we want to! That's the same for many clubs, Income = bums on seats! That is where we need to have vision, We have found 20000 who never went to withdean, are they fickle? I don't want to sit in a stadium with 20000 with a third of seats empty. You seem to think I disagree with FFP .. If we had a Russian billionaire! Since the Bosman ruling players true value has been masked by clubs desire for quick success..only people doing well are players and agents.. Clubs should be earning money! Who would invest 130 million and accept to losing every year![/p][/quote]Sorry, but the harsh fact is that income does not only equal bums on seats. In the modern era, attendance - and the associated benefits - is going further and further down the pecking order against things like broadcasting and commercial revenue. It's a factor, of course, but not a singular answer. The club could sell an extra 100 shirts a week, but it's a spot in the ocean when it comes to signing or loaning players. It's a balancing act and my own opinion is the club is attempting to do it in a responsible fashion. Don't spend what you haven't got. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

9:57am Thu 27 Feb 14

fratsomrover says...

As I understood it, a large amount of the £14m loss was attributable to the new training facility being built at Lancing. The rush to get this project off the ground was primarily to account for these costs in the last financial year, before the FFP comes into effect. This way the £14m loss will not attract any penalty from the Football League. If we had started on it this year, the costs would be included and subject to FFP regs.
It was good forethought to get the bulk of this expense assigned to last years accounts and not this years when FFP apply.
I'm totally confident we will attain the required FFP target and that under Bloom & Barber we are sound financial hands.
As I understood it, a large amount of the £14m loss was attributable to the new training facility being built at Lancing. The rush to get this project off the ground was primarily to account for these costs in the last financial year, before the FFP comes into effect. This way the £14m loss will not attract any penalty from the Football League. If we had started on it this year, the costs would be included and subject to FFP regs. It was good forethought to get the bulk of this expense assigned to last years accounts and not this years when FFP apply. I'm totally confident we will attain the required FFP target and that under Bloom & Barber we are sound financial hands. fratsomrover
  • Score: 6

10:09am Thu 27 Feb 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today
I'd love to know how clubs think they can challenge something that was agreed and signed up for.
Qpr , Leicester , wolves... Contracts can be over turned because they can come under various laws .. If you sign a work contract that is unlawful it's null and void,
We have seen it with laws the government has passed and been overturned by the EU and the House of Lords .. The hook preacher from London a prime example,
I am not saying spend spend, but Burke and co are now being praised for doing what so far? Were they not employed when we made a 14 million pound loss? How many CEO would still be employed?
This summer will be everything, Burke can find his bargains like grabbidan
Obika and rodders ... And we can say goodbye to TK upson Buckley .
How many of you have total faith in what quality is coming in?
Let's put it this way, player of the year? Ulloa, upson crofts ince, I don't think Andrews kemy or obika will bother the scorers !
These contracts were drawn up over two years of negotiation, so the clubs knew what they were entering into.

As someone else mentioned above, these clubs are getting jittery that their massive gambles will not pay off. Eight overspending clubs into three promotion places does not go.

I don't think anyone with any degree of actual knowledge is suggesting that Barber is doing anything other than a good job. It is a new stadium and there are associated cost. It is no surprise that the club are losing money, after all, how long was is that, say, Amazon started turning a profit? In fact I'm not sure they have yet, but are they being poorly run? No, of course not. Barber is bringing the costs of the club down and bringing the income up, but it will take time. Sheesh, we are so impatient!

And still, despite saying you're not advocating spending someone else's money (as believable as your claim you're 'not all doom and gloom'), you still complain about the players coming in. These are going to have to be cheaper than bringing in your Wickhams and your Frimpongs, precisely because Barber is not going to risk the very future of the club.
Hindsight , I think wickham a better proposition to grabbidan any day of the week,
We lost 14 million, how many clubs made money in the championship?
My point is , and the FFP rules were brought in to stop over spending in the championship mainly.. It can't continue for any club,
Gus did a fantastic job, ( you love stats,.... Had we score our penalties at the championship average we would have been top two)
I think football has to toughen up, that's not going to happen over night, players like cms have a contract at 17 a week, we will never get him out the door even if we want to! That's the same for many clubs,
Income = bums on seats! That is where we need to have vision,
We have found 20000 who never went to withdean, are they fickle?
I don't want to sit in a stadium with 20000 with a third of seats empty.
You seem to think I disagree with FFP .. If we had a Russian billionaire!
Since the Bosman ruling players true value has been masked by clubs desire for quick success..only people doing well are players and agents..
Clubs should be earning money! Who would invest 130 million and accept to losing every year!
Obviously Wickham is better than Grabban, which is why he is worth many times more than Grabban. Not sure what your point is with that comment.

Yes, we lost 14 million, yet you want us to spend more on better players? Again, not sure of your point.

Then you mention penalties from last season... not sure of your point.

And you think that because we get more people than we had at Withdean that those fans are fickle. Again, I'm really not following.

And "if we had a Russian billionaire"... ? You seem to have forgotten to add the end of that sentence.

I'm not sure of the relevance of any of these to the conversation - these seem like a random assortment of irrelevant musings on the club.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today[/p][/quote]I'd love to know how clubs think they can challenge something that was agreed and signed up for.[/p][/quote]Qpr , Leicester , wolves... Contracts can be over turned because they can come under various laws .. If you sign a work contract that is unlawful it's null and void, We have seen it with laws the government has passed and been overturned by the EU and the House of Lords .. The hook preacher from London a prime example, I am not saying spend spend, but Burke and co are now being praised for doing what so far? Were they not employed when we made a 14 million pound loss? How many CEO would still be employed? This summer will be everything, Burke can find his bargains like grabbidan Obika and rodders ... And we can say goodbye to TK upson Buckley . How many of you have total faith in what quality is coming in? Let's put it this way, player of the year? Ulloa, upson crofts ince, I don't think Andrews kemy or obika will bother the scorers ![/p][/quote]These contracts were drawn up over two years of negotiation, so the clubs knew what they were entering into. As someone else mentioned above, these clubs are getting jittery that their massive gambles will not pay off. Eight overspending clubs into three promotion places does not go. I don't think anyone with any degree of actual knowledge is suggesting that Barber is doing anything other than a good job. It is a new stadium and there are associated cost. It is no surprise that the club are losing money, after all, how long was is that, say, Amazon started turning a profit? In fact I'm not sure they have yet, but are they being poorly run? No, of course not. Barber is bringing the costs of the club down and bringing the income up, but it will take time. Sheesh, we are so impatient! And still, despite saying you're not advocating spending someone else's money (as believable as your claim you're 'not all doom and gloom'), you still complain about the players coming in. These are going to have to be cheaper than bringing in your Wickhams and your Frimpongs, precisely because Barber is not going to risk the very future of the club.[/p][/quote]Hindsight , I think wickham a better proposition to grabbidan any day of the week, We lost 14 million, how many clubs made money in the championship? My point is , and the FFP rules were brought in to stop over spending in the championship mainly.. It can't continue for any club, Gus did a fantastic job, ( you love stats,.... Had we score our penalties at the championship average we would have been top two) I think football has to toughen up, that's not going to happen over night, players like cms have a contract at 17 a week, we will never get him out the door even if we want to! That's the same for many clubs, Income = bums on seats! That is where we need to have vision, We have found 20000 who never went to withdean, are they fickle? I don't want to sit in a stadium with 20000 with a third of seats empty. You seem to think I disagree with FFP .. If we had a Russian billionaire! Since the Bosman ruling players true value has been masked by clubs desire for quick success..only people doing well are players and agents.. Clubs should be earning money! Who would invest 130 million and accept to losing every year![/p][/quote]Obviously Wickham is better than Grabban, which is why he is worth many times more than Grabban. Not sure what your point is with that comment. Yes, we lost 14 million, yet you want us to spend more on better players? Again, not sure of your point. Then you mention penalties from last season... not sure of your point. And you think that because we get more people than we had at Withdean that those fans are fickle. Again, I'm really not following. And "if we had a Russian billionaire"... ? You seem to have forgotten to add the end of that sentence. I'm not sure of the relevance of any of these to the conversation - these seem like a random assortment of irrelevant musings on the club. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 5

10:43am Thu 27 Feb 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote: albionfan33 says... mark by the sea wrote: FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today i used to like your views mark but it seems that you wont be happy until we are back at withdean with huge depts. if you have been following brighton for as long as you say you should be happy with the remarkably quick turnaround in our footballing fortunes and not wanting a quick rushed job to the prem like most of the newbies who didnt suffer gillingham or belloti/archer and withdean. Quite. FFP or no FFP what these spend, spend, spend merchants fail to grasp is that it's someone else's money they want to spend - i e Tony Bloom. Bloom is a businessman - not a philanthropist. The club must operate as a viable business not a charity case. We have a superb new stadium, top class training facilities on the way together with commercial developments to fund future player purchases and yet we still have this endlessly repeated mindless mantra being repeated of 'spend more on players'. Yes, well it hasn't done Man U, Leeds, Bolton, Wolves, Portsmouth much good has it ?
Totally agree BTLF. I do not care whether we're mid-table spenders or top-of-the-table spenders, those in charge are managing the finances appropriate to US. It's a funny thing, but there's a very good reason why I don't drive a Ferrari. Of course, if Mr. Bloom would like to buy me one........
January sales= 4.5 million. January purchase 500k What's important is to lift the fans and bring a loan player or two in, Lots of you are doing maths based on 23500 season ticket sales. Lose 3000 and that's about 2 m if you include merchandising . Prudent spending now will push us for a play off spot and lift the fans hopes for next season.. FFP rules are used as excuses for having one fit forward . If we can hold our season ticket sales and cut costs, we should be better placed than 20 other clubs next season.
MBTS, Sorry mate, but you really don't get it. Sure, we brought in more money than we spent in January, but we also posted losses of £14m. I don't tihnk they made that figure up for a bit of laugh.. Speculating to accumulating only works if your speculate with money you already have."Prudent spending now" on loan signings will NOT guarantee a play off spot and your pay off is a belter.... "If we can hold our season ticket sales and cut costs, we should be better placed than 20 other clubs next season." EXACTLY.
That's my point, I don't think a play off is likely, but if your saying selling players to cut debt is the answer, we will have a empty stadium .. Ulloa without doubt will be wanted this summer, should we sell? Sell Buckley? Sell ince? You can't expect people who have just found the Albion to part with money to watch second rate players .. That is a recipe for failure. Do we take 8 million for ulloa?
A big money offer for ANY player is always tempting, but in this instance, I do take your point on selling to cover debt.
In my view, if you sell to cover debt, you'll always be doing it until you deal with the reason for the debt. That, I believe, is what the club is currently doing. If we did get big money for Ulloa, there'd currently be a debt consideration when deciding what to do with the proceeds. The club seems to want to get to a position where sales can be directly - and almost exclusively - reinvested in the playing side. And that takes time, not blind speculation with fingers firmly crossed.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: albionfan33 says... mark by the sea wrote: FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today i used to like your views mark but it seems that you wont be happy until we are back at withdean with huge depts. if you have been following brighton for as long as you say you should be happy with the remarkably quick turnaround in our footballing fortunes and not wanting a quick rushed job to the prem like most of the newbies who didnt suffer gillingham or belloti/archer and withdean. Quite. FFP or no FFP what these spend, spend, spend merchants fail to grasp is that it's someone else's money they want to spend - i e Tony Bloom. Bloom is a businessman - not a philanthropist. The club must operate as a viable business not a charity case. We have a superb new stadium, top class training facilities on the way together with commercial developments to fund future player purchases and yet we still have this endlessly repeated mindless mantra being repeated of 'spend more on players'. Yes, well it hasn't done Man U, Leeds, Bolton, Wolves, Portsmouth much good has it ?[/p][/quote]Totally agree BTLF. I do not care whether we're mid-table spenders or top-of-the-table spenders, those in charge are managing the finances appropriate to US. It's a funny thing, but there's a very good reason why I don't drive a Ferrari. Of course, if Mr. Bloom would like to buy me one........[/p][/quote]January sales= 4.5 million. January purchase 500k What's important is to lift the fans and bring a loan player or two in, Lots of you are doing maths based on 23500 season ticket sales. Lose 3000 and that's about 2 m if you include merchandising . Prudent spending now will push us for a play off spot and lift the fans hopes for next season.. FFP rules are used as excuses for having one fit forward . If we can hold our season ticket sales and cut costs, we should be better placed than 20 other clubs next season.[/p][/quote]MBTS, Sorry mate, but you really don't get it. Sure, we brought in more money than we spent in January, but we also posted losses of £14m. I don't tihnk they made that figure up for a bit of laugh.. Speculating to accumulating only works if your speculate with money you already have."Prudent spending now" on loan signings will NOT guarantee a play off spot and your pay off is a belter.... "If we can hold our season ticket sales and cut costs, we should be better placed than 20 other clubs next season." EXACTLY.[/p][/quote]That's my point, I don't think a play off is likely, but if your saying selling players to cut debt is the answer, we will have a empty stadium .. Ulloa without doubt will be wanted this summer, should we sell? Sell Buckley? Sell ince? You can't expect people who have just found the Albion to part with money to watch second rate players .. That is a recipe for failure. Do we take 8 million for ulloa?[/p][/quote]A big money offer for ANY player is always tempting, but in this instance, I do take your point on selling to cover debt. In my view, if you sell to cover debt, you'll always be doing it until you deal with the reason for the debt. That, I believe, is what the club is currently doing. If we did get big money for Ulloa, there'd currently be a debt consideration when deciding what to do with the proceeds. The club seems to want to get to a position where sales can be directly - and almost exclusively - reinvested in the playing side. And that takes time, not blind speculation with fingers firmly crossed. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 4

10:46am Thu 27 Feb 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

On the subject of Leo's interview........Tha
nk goodness we have someone who truly understands the concept that 'it's in your head'..........all this talk about being tired which has crept into the modern game seems to be unaware that all tiredness is in the mind...............i
f you think you're tired....you'll feel tired. Great what Leo has said and that is why he is our prolific goal scorer!
On the subject of Leo's interview........Tha nk goodness we have someone who truly understands the concept that 'it's in your head'..........all this talk about being tired which has crept into the modern game seems to be unaware that all tiredness is in the mind...............i f you think you're tired....you'll feel tired. Great what Leo has said and that is why he is our prolific goal scorer! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 1

11:03am Thu 27 Feb 14

dave from bexill says...

mark by the sea wrote:
FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today
Yes, saw that Mark. Might be very interesting
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today[/p][/quote]Yes, saw that Mark. Might be very interesting dave from bexill
  • Score: 0

11:05am Thu 27 Feb 14

pjwilk says...

If we want to go forward we need better players,it not our problem regarding profit or loss ,people are paid good money to sort this part out.All supporters know is that our team is getting weaker and not moving forward,due to poor choices in the transfer market and selling better players than we have got.We are a poorer team than last season thanks to the Blues Bros and if it does not improve at least to last seasons grade then the club will lose support,as fans have to have exciting players and improving quality.Some people think because we have a small loss we should lose players and sink down the leagues with rubbish football.
If we want to go forward we need better players,it not our problem regarding profit or loss ,people are paid good money to sort this part out.All supporters know is that our team is getting weaker and not moving forward,due to poor choices in the transfer market and selling better players than we have got.We are a poorer team than last season thanks to the Blues Bros and if it does not improve at least to last seasons grade then the club will lose support,as fans have to have exciting players and improving quality.Some people think because we have a small loss we should lose players and sink down the leagues with rubbish football. pjwilk
  • Score: -3

11:35am Thu 27 Feb 14

albionfan33 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
albionfan33 says...


mark by the sea wrote:
FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today
i used to like your views mark but it seems that you wont be happy until we are back at withdean with huge depts. if you have been following brighton for as long as you say you should be happy with the remarkably quick turnaround in our footballing fortunes and not wanting a quick rushed job to the prem like most of the newbies who didnt suffer gillingham or belloti/archer and withdean.

Quite. FFP or no FFP what these spend, spend, spend merchants fail to grasp is that it's someone else's money they want to spend - i e Tony Bloom. Bloom is a businessman - not a philanthropist. The club must operate as a viable business not a charity case. We have a superb new stadium, top class training facilities on the way together with commercial developments to fund future player purchases and yet we still have this endlessly repeated mindless mantra being repeated of 'spend more on players'. Yes, well it hasn't done Man U, Leeds, Bolton, Wolves, Portsmouth much good has it ?
Totally agree BTLF.
I do not care whether we're mid-table spenders or top-of-the-table spenders, those in charge are managing the finances appropriate to US.
It's a funny thing, but there's a very good reason why I don't drive a Ferrari.
Of course, if Mr. Bloom would like to buy me one........
January sales= 4.5 million.
January purchase 500k
What's important is to lift the fans and bring a loan player or two in,
Lots of you are doing maths based on 23500 season ticket sales.
Lose 3000 and that's about 2 m if you include merchandising .
Prudent spending now will push us for a play off spot and lift the fans hopes for next season.. FFP rules are used as excuses for having one fit forward .
If we can hold our season ticket sales and cut costs, we should be better placed than 20 other clubs next season.
MBTS, Sorry mate, but you really don't get it. Sure, we brought in more money than we spent in January, but we also posted losses of £14m. I don't tihnk they made that figure up for a bit of laugh..
Speculating to accumulating only works if your speculate with money you already have."Prudent spending now" on loan signings will NOT guarantee a play off spot and your pay off is a belter....
"If we can hold our season ticket sales and cut costs, we should be better placed than 20 other clubs next season." EXACTLY.
That's my point, I don't think a play off is likely, but if your saying selling players to cut debt is the answer, we will have a empty stadium ..
Ulloa without doubt will be wanted this summer, should we sell?
Sell Buckley? Sell ince? You can't expect people who have just found the Albion to part with money to watch second rate players .. That is a recipe for failure.
Do we take 8 million for ulloa?
i understand your point that u get what you pay for etc but after just getting our house in order to throw it all away so quickly by trying to buy into the prem before we are able to is a nonsense. it seems to me that og was brought in to bring along the youngsters to cut some playing staff costs also that could mean that next season we will only need 2-3 players who could be the real exceptional quality as the budget will be there also with the 20 odd clubs that will need to really tighten the belts seems a recepe for success. he will also have a year on him and have a better understanding of whats needed a whos needed to get us promoted. after the summers fiasco and injuries to key players its a wonder we are still in with a sniff at all if we can keep a settled side until the end im hopefull of a po spot uta
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: albionfan33 says... mark by the sea wrote: FFP rules to be challenged! Check guardian today i used to like your views mark but it seems that you wont be happy until we are back at withdean with huge depts. if you have been following brighton for as long as you say you should be happy with the remarkably quick turnaround in our footballing fortunes and not wanting a quick rushed job to the prem like most of the newbies who didnt suffer gillingham or belloti/archer and withdean. Quite. FFP or no FFP what these spend, spend, spend merchants fail to grasp is that it's someone else's money they want to spend - i e Tony Bloom. Bloom is a businessman - not a philanthropist. The club must operate as a viable business not a charity case. We have a superb new stadium, top class training facilities on the way together with commercial developments to fund future player purchases and yet we still have this endlessly repeated mindless mantra being repeated of 'spend more on players'. Yes, well it hasn't done Man U, Leeds, Bolton, Wolves, Portsmouth much good has it ?[/p][/quote]Totally agree BTLF. I do not care whether we're mid-table spenders or top-of-the-table spenders, those in charge are managing the finances appropriate to US. It's a funny thing, but there's a very good reason why I don't drive a Ferrari. Of course, if Mr. Bloom would like to buy me one........[/p][/quote]January sales= 4.5 million. January purchase 500k What's important is to lift the fans and bring a loan player or two in, Lots of you are doing maths based on 23500 season ticket sales. Lose 3000 and that's about 2 m if you include merchandising . Prudent spending now will push us for a play off spot and lift the fans hopes for next season.. FFP rules are used as excuses for having one fit forward . If we can hold our season ticket sales and cut costs, we should be better placed than 20 other clubs next season.[/p][/quote]MBTS, Sorry mate, but you really don't get it. Sure, we brought in more money than we spent in January, but we also posted losses of £14m. I don't tihnk they made that figure up for a bit of laugh.. Speculating to accumulating only works if your speculate with money you already have."Prudent spending now" on loan signings will NOT guarantee a play off spot and your pay off is a belter.... "If we can hold our season ticket sales and cut costs, we should be better placed than 20 other clubs next season." EXACTLY.[/p][/quote]That's my point, I don't think a play off is likely, but if your saying selling players to cut debt is the answer, we will have a empty stadium .. Ulloa without doubt will be wanted this summer, should we sell? Sell Buckley? Sell ince? You can't expect people who have just found the Albion to part with money to watch second rate players .. That is a recipe for failure. Do we take 8 million for ulloa?[/p][/quote]i understand your point that u get what you pay for etc but after just getting our house in order to throw it all away so quickly by trying to buy into the prem before we are able to is a nonsense. it seems to me that og was brought in to bring along the youngsters to cut some playing staff costs also that could mean that next season we will only need 2-3 players who could be the real exceptional quality as the budget will be there also with the 20 odd clubs that will need to really tighten the belts seems a recepe for success. he will also have a year on him and have a better understanding of whats needed a whos needed to get us promoted. after the summers fiasco and injuries to key players its a wonder we are still in with a sniff at all if we can keep a settled side until the end im hopefull of a po spot uta albionfan33
  • Score: 1

12:10pm Thu 27 Feb 14

realist2012 says...

Reports in Manchester are that Jesse Lingard due to sign on loan from Mancheste United
Reports in Manchester are that Jesse Lingard due to sign on loan from Mancheste United realist2012
  • Score: 5

12:30pm Thu 27 Feb 14

dave from bexill says...

Good debate on here this morning( I was going to say it makes a change, but wouldn't dare) Many thank, especially to MBTS, who whether one agrees or not, always offers well articulated and proper football person arguments. Long may it continue.

Also, if true about Jesse Lingard, could be just the player we've been wanting, to play in the hole (football jargon I think) behind/alongside Leo
Good debate on here this morning( I was going to say it makes a change, but wouldn't dare) Many thank, especially to MBTS, who whether one agrees or not, always offers well articulated and proper football person arguments. Long may it continue. Also, if true about Jesse Lingard, could be just the player we've been wanting, to play in the hole (football jargon I think) behind/alongside Leo dave from bexill
  • Score: 3

12:32pm Thu 27 Feb 14

dave from bexill says...

Great, he's actually signed
Great, he's actually signed dave from bexill
  • Score: 3

1:45pm Thu 27 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

Mark I didn't say that Gus over spent, I simply said that he was allowed to spend more then than Oscar can today, there is a difference.

I saw the comment that listed players that may have contibuted to out 14 million loss figure, and I am not sure that the list is correct. Year one at the Amex we lost around 8 million. Year two we lost close to nine million and Barber tells us that we are/were on target to lose 14 million this year, recent sales will change that figure. Many on the list of players mentioned joined us during the first two years so I don't see how they have contributed to our current predicted losses.

Mark it might be that one of us is wrong in our understanding of reported and predicted losses, and it may be me. As I undertsand it the loss figures for each year are for each year, 8 + 9 + 14. I get the feeling that you are looking at the 14 as the total for all three years, now you may be right, but that is not my understanding. The more I think about it the more I am leaning toward your thinking on the number but I am not ure how we can find out the correct answer. Barber, in his interview, did suggest that Tony has been covering our losses, so maybe my thinking is right, I don't know.

One last point on Gus. When Gus was bring in players the club agreed the prurchases and the wages for the players, Gus did nothing wrong, today Gus, like Oscar, would not be able to offer the same wages due to cost cutting, and maybe not the same purchase prices. The Amex is a different place today than it was when Gus was here, business practices have changed due to FFP.
Mark I didn't say that Gus over spent, I simply said that he was allowed to spend more then than Oscar can today, there is a difference. I saw the comment that listed players that may have contibuted to out 14 million loss figure, and I am not sure that the list is correct. Year one at the Amex we lost around 8 million. Year two we lost close to nine million and Barber tells us that we are/were on target to lose 14 million this year, recent sales will change that figure. Many on the list of players mentioned joined us during the first two years so I don't see how they have contributed to our current predicted losses. Mark it might be that one of us is wrong in our understanding of reported and predicted losses, and it may be me. As I undertsand it the loss figures for each year are for each year, 8 + 9 + 14. I get the feeling that you are looking at the 14 as the total for all three years, now you may be right, but that is not my understanding. The more I think about it the more I am leaning toward your thinking on the number but I am not ure how we can find out the correct answer. Barber, in his interview, did suggest that Tony has been covering our losses, so maybe my thinking is right, I don't know. One last point on Gus. When Gus was bring in players the club agreed the prurchases and the wages for the players, Gus did nothing wrong, today Gus, like Oscar, would not be able to offer the same wages due to cost cutting, and maybe not the same purchase prices. The Amex is a different place today than it was when Gus was here, business practices have changed due to FFP. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

2:20pm Thu 27 Feb 14

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark I didn't say that Gus over spent, I simply said that he was allowed to spend more then than Oscar can today, there is a difference.

I saw the comment that listed players that may have contibuted to out 14 million loss figure, and I am not sure that the list is correct. Year one at the Amex we lost around 8 million. Year two we lost close to nine million and Barber tells us that we are/were on target to lose 14 million this year, recent sales will change that figure. Many on the list of players mentioned joined us during the first two years so I don't see how they have contributed to our current predicted losses.

Mark it might be that one of us is wrong in our understanding of reported and predicted losses, and it may be me. As I undertsand it the loss figures for each year are for each year, 8 + 9 + 14. I get the feeling that you are looking at the 14 as the total for all three years, now you may be right, but that is not my understanding. The more I think about it the more I am leaning toward your thinking on the number but I am not ure how we can find out the correct answer. Barber, in his interview, did suggest that Tony has been covering our losses, so maybe my thinking is right, I don't know.

One last point on Gus. When Gus was bring in players the club agreed the prurchases and the wages for the players, Gus did nothing wrong, today Gus, like Oscar, would not be able to offer the same wages due to cost cutting, and maybe not the same purchase prices. The Amex is a different place today than it was when Gus was here, business practices have changed due to FFP.
In the absense of a reply from Mark, does anyone else have a reading regarding our losses? Did we lose 8+9 and + predicted 14, or is 14 the total for all three years?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark I didn't say that Gus over spent, I simply said that he was allowed to spend more then than Oscar can today, there is a difference. I saw the comment that listed players that may have contibuted to out 14 million loss figure, and I am not sure that the list is correct. Year one at the Amex we lost around 8 million. Year two we lost close to nine million and Barber tells us that we are/were on target to lose 14 million this year, recent sales will change that figure. Many on the list of players mentioned joined us during the first two years so I don't see how they have contributed to our current predicted losses. Mark it might be that one of us is wrong in our understanding of reported and predicted losses, and it may be me. As I undertsand it the loss figures for each year are for each year, 8 + 9 + 14. I get the feeling that you are looking at the 14 as the total for all three years, now you may be right, but that is not my understanding. The more I think about it the more I am leaning toward your thinking on the number but I am not ure how we can find out the correct answer. Barber, in his interview, did suggest that Tony has been covering our losses, so maybe my thinking is right, I don't know. One last point on Gus. When Gus was bring in players the club agreed the prurchases and the wages for the players, Gus did nothing wrong, today Gus, like Oscar, would not be able to offer the same wages due to cost cutting, and maybe not the same purchase prices. The Amex is a different place today than it was when Gus was here, business practices have changed due to FFP.[/p][/quote]In the absense of a reply from Mark, does anyone else have a reading regarding our losses? Did we lose 8+9 and + predicted 14, or is 14 the total for all three years? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

4:41pm Thu 27 Feb 14

tinker111 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Lets remember the signings during the period of this 14 million loss,
Crofts 300k
TK free
Bridge loan
Ulloa 2 million.
Upson loan
And here is my point Vegas , some including you are loading the blame on Gus ... However no one has said including Burke that the manager over spent, what evidence is there to suggest Gus was to blame for half of the debt?
Name a championship club that made a profit?
GUS WAS THE BEST WE HAD BUT WOOL HEAD'S CANT SEE IT ,Funny thought this item was about OULLA oh well what ever and he will have to watch his step with new bright star from Man U + Hoskins+ Cms now JO Must be back in 5Th spot GET RID, sure that the head coach wont have had say in the new 3 mnth signing BURKE OR JONES ??? WHO RUNS THIS CLUB WHICH BB??????????????????
???
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Lets remember the signings during the period of this 14 million loss, Crofts 300k TK free Bridge loan Ulloa 2 million. Upson loan And here is my point Vegas , some including you are loading the blame on Gus ... However no one has said including Burke that the manager over spent, what evidence is there to suggest Gus was to blame for half of the debt? Name a championship club that made a profit?[/p][/quote]GUS WAS THE BEST WE HAD BUT WOOL HEAD'S CANT SEE IT ,Funny thought this item was about OULLA oh well what ever and he will have to watch his step with new bright star from Man U + Hoskins+ Cms now JO Must be back in 5Th spot GET RID, sure that the head coach wont have had say in the new 3 mnth signing BURKE OR JONES ??? WHO RUNS THIS CLUB WHICH BB?????????????????? ??? tinker111
  • Score: -3

4:46pm Thu 27 Feb 14

tinker111 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark I didn't say that Gus over spent, I simply said that he was allowed to spend more then than Oscar can today, there is a difference.

I saw the comment that listed players that may have contibuted to out 14 million loss figure, and I am not sure that the list is correct. Year one at the Amex we lost around 8 million. Year two we lost close to nine million and Barber tells us that we are/were on target to lose 14 million this year, recent sales will change that figure. Many on the list of players mentioned joined us during the first two years so I don't see how they have contributed to our current predicted losses.

Mark it might be that one of us is wrong in our understanding of reported and predicted losses, and it may be me. As I undertsand it the loss figures for each year are for each year, 8 + 9 + 14. I get the feeling that you are looking at the 14 as the total for all three years, now you may be right, but that is not my understanding. The more I think about it the more I am leaning toward your thinking on the number but I am not ure how we can find out the correct answer. Barber, in his interview, did suggest that Tony has been covering our losses, so maybe my thinking is right, I don't know.

One last point on Gus. When Gus was bring in players the club agreed the prurchases and the wages for the players, Gus did nothing wrong, today Gus, like Oscar, would not be able to offer the same wages due to cost cutting, and maybe not the same purchase prices. The Amex is a different place today than it was when Gus was here, business practices have changed due to FFP.
In the absense of a reply from Mark, does anyone else have a reading regarding our losses? Did we lose 8+9 and + predicted 14, or is 14 the total for all three years?
FACT THIS CREATIVE ACCOUNTING ???? where has the money (outlay ) come from for the training ground you will never get to truth cos it is Off shore .
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark I didn't say that Gus over spent, I simply said that he was allowed to spend more then than Oscar can today, there is a difference. I saw the comment that listed players that may have contibuted to out 14 million loss figure, and I am not sure that the list is correct. Year one at the Amex we lost around 8 million. Year two we lost close to nine million and Barber tells us that we are/were on target to lose 14 million this year, recent sales will change that figure. Many on the list of players mentioned joined us during the first two years so I don't see how they have contributed to our current predicted losses. Mark it might be that one of us is wrong in our understanding of reported and predicted losses, and it may be me. As I undertsand it the loss figures for each year are for each year, 8 + 9 + 14. I get the feeling that you are looking at the 14 as the total for all three years, now you may be right, but that is not my understanding. The more I think about it the more I am leaning toward your thinking on the number but I am not ure how we can find out the correct answer. Barber, in his interview, did suggest that Tony has been covering our losses, so maybe my thinking is right, I don't know. One last point on Gus. When Gus was bring in players the club agreed the prurchases and the wages for the players, Gus did nothing wrong, today Gus, like Oscar, would not be able to offer the same wages due to cost cutting, and maybe not the same purchase prices. The Amex is a different place today than it was when Gus was here, business practices have changed due to FFP.[/p][/quote]In the absense of a reply from Mark, does anyone else have a reading regarding our losses? Did we lose 8+9 and + predicted 14, or is 14 the total for all three years?[/p][/quote]FACT THIS CREATIVE ACCOUNTING ???? where has the money (outlay ) come from for the training ground you will never get to truth cos it is Off shore . tinker111
  • Score: -3

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