Albion coach demands more from Agustien

Kemy Agustien has only started eight games this season

Kemy Agustien has only started eight games this season

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Kemy Agustien has been told to contribute more on a daily basis to force his way back into first team contention for Albion.

The enigmatic Dutch midfielder was dropped into the development team for yesterday’s 5-2 thrashing at Bristol City as the Seagulls try to get him fitter for first team action.

Agustien has only started eight games after arriving from Swansea in the summer on a two-year contract.

The 27-year-old has not featured in Oscar Garcia’s plans since he was substituted in the second half of the FA Cup tie at Port Vale at the end of January.

Oscar’s No. 2 Nathan Jones, pictured above, told The Argus: “Kemy is a fantastic player. We just need a little bit more from him. He is endeavouring to do that.

“He needs to contribute every single day and that’s what he’s learning to do now. Every day he’s getting stonger.

“He’s a fantastic talent, we love him. Technically he is outstanding, Premier League talent, he’s just got to make sure he is contributing day in day out and he’s getting there.”

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6:18am Tue 4 Mar 14

Hector66 says...

hear, hear. always thought he had outstanding technique and if we can up the diligence, he'll be an excellent player for us. it's really up to him, how much he wants to apply himself.
hear, hear. always thought he had outstanding technique and if we can up the diligence, he'll be an excellent player for us. it's really up to him, how much he wants to apply himself. Hector66
  • Score: 6

6:29am Tue 4 Mar 14

gilbertthecat says...

Hector66 wrote:
hear, hear. always thought he had outstanding technique and if we can up the diligence, he'll be an excellent player for us. it's really up to him, how much he wants to apply himself.
And there we have it. He's not eating all the guest pies on matchday. He's simply not doing enough.

He's 27 and NJ says "He needs to contribute every single day and that’s what he’s learning to do now" - so how much more time does the guy need to 'learn' his trade? NJ also says he's Prem quality but I can't see that the way things are. Perhaps he isn't motivated enough for some reason - maybe thinks the drop from being a swan to a gull was a backward step. He needs to get motivated or he'll get sold off to an even lower league club. I've already said that I've seen some good things about his play on the pitch but he evidently needs to work much harder to get himself back on the pitch. Lets hope this makes a difference for him and the club. And as someone else asked - can the Argus tell us how well he played or otherwise please?
[quote][p][bold]Hector66[/bold] wrote: hear, hear. always thought he had outstanding technique and if we can up the diligence, he'll be an excellent player for us. it's really up to him, how much he wants to apply himself.[/p][/quote]And there we have it. He's not eating all the guest pies on matchday. He's simply not doing enough. He's 27 and NJ says "He needs to contribute every single day and that’s what he’s learning to do now" - so how much more time does the guy need to 'learn' his trade? NJ also says he's Prem quality but I can't see that the way things are. Perhaps he isn't motivated enough for some reason - maybe thinks the drop from being a swan to a gull was a backward step. He needs to get motivated or he'll get sold off to an even lower league club. I've already said that I've seen some good things about his play on the pitch but he evidently needs to work much harder to get himself back on the pitch. Lets hope this makes a difference for him and the club. And as someone else asked - can the Argus tell us how well he played or otherwise please? gilbertthecat
  • Score: 11

6:31am Tue 4 Mar 14

Alfie T says...

Some players have all the talent,technique,ski
ll but are inherently lazy. This guy appears to be just that,you don't learn to contribute or try harder or keep of the carbs and beer,it comes naturally with the hunger to succeed.
He could wake up at thirty five with his career over and reflect on what could have been, needs a dramatic lifestyle change,not sure he has that desire though.
Some players have all the talent,technique,ski ll but are inherently lazy. This guy appears to be just that,you don't learn to contribute or try harder or keep of the carbs and beer,it comes naturally with the hunger to succeed. He could wake up at thirty five with his career over and reflect on what could have been, needs a dramatic lifestyle change,not sure he has that desire though. Alfie T
  • Score: 13

6:41am Tue 4 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

Alfie T wrote:
Some players have all the talent,technique,ski

ll but are inherently lazy. This guy appears to be just that,you don't learn to contribute or try harder or keep of the carbs and beer,it comes naturally with the hunger to succeed.
He could wake up at thirty five with his career over and reflect on what could have been, needs a dramatic lifestyle change,not sure he has that desire though.
Sounds like jones is giving him a lift by saying he is learning to work, perhaps him arriving about three stone over weight might give us a clue of his professional desire to play .
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: Some players have all the talent,technique,ski ll but are inherently lazy. This guy appears to be just that,you don't learn to contribute or try harder or keep of the carbs and beer,it comes naturally with the hunger to succeed. He could wake up at thirty five with his career over and reflect on what could have been, needs a dramatic lifestyle change,not sure he has that desire though.[/p][/quote]Sounds like jones is giving him a lift by saying he is learning to work, perhaps him arriving about three stone over weight might give us a clue of his professional desire to play . mark by the sea
  • Score: 4

7:21am Tue 4 Mar 14

Albion In Staffs says...

27 years old and still "learning". Smashing.
Re-arrange these words into a well known saying:
horse
a
flogging
dead
27 years old and still "learning". Smashing. Re-arrange these words into a well known saying: horse a flogging dead Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 9

7:36am Tue 4 Mar 14

LAWgull says...

"Oscars Number 2 Nathan Jones pictured above"
He looks very overwight and remarkably like Kemy ???
"Oscars Number 2 Nathan Jones pictured above" He looks very overwight and remarkably like Kemy ??? LAWgull
  • Score: 8

8:31am Tue 4 Mar 14

elljam says...

He's not the first Dutch footballer to have an attitude problem. From the outside & from what little I've seen of him it appears he feels working hard is for the less talented players & his ability alone is more than enough.
He's not the first Dutch footballer to have an attitude problem. From the outside & from what little I've seen of him it appears he feels working hard is for the less talented players & his ability alone is more than enough. elljam
  • Score: 11

8:37am Tue 4 Mar 14

Gary @ says...

During the last home game he was involved in the subs came out at half time to warm up. They do a passing exercise for about five minutes and during this Kemy managed to give Lopez a crack on the ankle, rugby tackled Dunk twice and just didn`t seem interested.

I commented to the person next to me that we wouldn`t put up with that from players in my sons team.

It may have nothing to do with anything but he hasn`t appeared since.
During the last home game he was involved in the subs came out at half time to warm up. They do a passing exercise for about five minutes and during this Kemy managed to give Lopez a crack on the ankle, rugby tackled Dunk twice and just didn`t seem interested. I commented to the person next to me that we wouldn`t put up with that from players in my sons team. It may have nothing to do with anything but he hasn`t appeared since. Gary @
  • Score: 12

8:38am Tue 4 Mar 14

Clean Sheet says...

Still appears to be carrying tto much Christmas pudding. Should see that diasappera during Lent!
A promising talent, but needs to get his priorities right. Currently it is getting the Seagulls in the PL.
Still appears to be carrying tto much Christmas pudding. Should see that diasappera during Lent! A promising talent, but needs to get his priorities right. Currently it is getting the Seagulls in the PL. Clean Sheet
  • Score: 5

8:50am Tue 4 Mar 14

Kit Napier says...

Indeed he could be a very good player he is a big unit but most of it does not appear to be muscle.
Indeed he could be a very good player he is a big unit but most of it does not appear to be muscle. Kit Napier
  • Score: 7

9:01am Tue 4 Mar 14

raymondo999 says...

LAWgull wrote:
"Oscars Number 2 Nathan Jones pictured above"
He looks very overwight and remarkably like Kemy ???
I agree I'm tired of all these pictures of Jones, can we have a pic of Kemy?!!
[quote][p][bold]LAWgull[/bold] wrote: "Oscars Number 2 Nathan Jones pictured above" He looks very overwight and remarkably like Kemy ???[/p][/quote]I agree I'm tired of all these pictures of Jones, can we have a pic of Kemy?!! raymondo999
  • Score: 6

9:31am Tue 4 Mar 14

Anthony 14 says...

Kemy should be dominating matches with his ability, so its frustrating that he can't even make our bench at the moment. I'm sure when fully fit he is one of the best players in the Championship, but clearly he has a lot of work to first.

I hope we remain patient with him instead of off-loading him. I know he is probably one of the highest earners at the club, but I think still think he can become an important player for the Albion. Guy Butters was the same a few years back when we couldn't seem to get him fit. We persevered with him though, and he became great defender for us.
Kemy should be dominating matches with his ability, so its frustrating that he can't even make our bench at the moment. I'm sure when fully fit he is one of the best players in the Championship, but clearly he has a lot of work to first. I hope we remain patient with him instead of off-loading him. I know he is probably one of the highest earners at the club, but I think still think he can become an important player for the Albion. Guy Butters was the same a few years back when we couldn't seem to get him fit. We persevered with him though, and he became great defender for us. Anthony 14
  • Score: -1

9:39am Tue 4 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

Anthony 14 wrote:
Kemy should be dominating matches with his ability, so its frustrating that he can't even make our bench at the moment. I'm sure when fully fit he is one of the best players in the Championship, but clearly he has a lot of work to first.

I hope we remain patient with him instead of off-loading him. I know he is probably one of the highest earners at the club, but I think still think he can become an important player for the Albion. Guy Butters was the same a few years back when we couldn't seem to get him fit. We persevered with him though, and he became great defender for us.
Slight difference is between a centre back in division one, and a attacking midfielder, sorry but season is nearly over! Sadly kemy will be another with ability who lacks the discipline to really make it, the guy will be out of contract in 3 months , in about 4 weeks the lights will go on, and he will produce with hope of a new contract..really sad at 27 he wants it easy, guy has 5 years left of a job he should enjoy.
[quote][p][bold]Anthony 14[/bold] wrote: Kemy should be dominating matches with his ability, so its frustrating that he can't even make our bench at the moment. I'm sure when fully fit he is one of the best players in the Championship, but clearly he has a lot of work to first. I hope we remain patient with him instead of off-loading him. I know he is probably one of the highest earners at the club, but I think still think he can become an important player for the Albion. Guy Butters was the same a few years back when we couldn't seem to get him fit. We persevered with him though, and he became great defender for us.[/p][/quote]Slight difference is between a centre back in division one, and a attacking midfielder, sorry but season is nearly over! Sadly kemy will be another with ability who lacks the discipline to really make it, the guy will be out of contract in 3 months , in about 4 weeks the lights will go on, and he will produce with hope of a new contract..really sad at 27 he wants it easy, guy has 5 years left of a job he should enjoy. mark by the sea
  • Score: 6

9:56am Tue 4 Mar 14

Steveg1958 says...

So finally the truth comes out, ! What a waste of time, shouldn't the coaching staff have been aware months ago that he wasn't working hard enough and put a rocket up his backside ? Offload the waster at the end of the season, he's a passenger, I'd rather have a youngster who wants to play.
So finally the truth comes out, ! What a waste of time, shouldn't the coaching staff have been aware months ago that he wasn't working hard enough and put a rocket up his backside ? Offload the waster at the end of the season, he's a passenger, I'd rather have a youngster who wants to play. Steveg1958
  • Score: 6

10:12am Tue 4 Mar 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Alfie T wrote:
Some players have all the talent,technique,ski

ll but are inherently lazy. This guy appears to be just that,you don't learn to contribute or try harder or keep of the carbs and beer,it comes naturally with the hunger to succeed.
He could wake up at thirty five with his career over and reflect on what could have been, needs a dramatic lifestyle change,not sure he has that desire though.
That's basically how OG sees his own career - had all the talent that was needed but it came so easy he just didn't try hard enough.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: Some players have all the talent,technique,ski ll but are inherently lazy. This guy appears to be just that,you don't learn to contribute or try harder or keep of the carbs and beer,it comes naturally with the hunger to succeed. He could wake up at thirty five with his career over and reflect on what could have been, needs a dramatic lifestyle change,not sure he has that desire though.[/p][/quote]That's basically how OG sees his own career - had all the talent that was needed but it came so easy he just didn't try hard enough. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

10:16am Tue 4 Mar 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Anthony 14 wrote:
Kemy should be dominating matches with his ability, so its frustrating that he can't even make our bench at the moment. I'm sure when fully fit he is one of the best players in the Championship, but clearly he has a lot of work to first.

I hope we remain patient with him instead of off-loading him. I know he is probably one of the highest earners at the club, but I think still think he can become an important player for the Albion. Guy Butters was the same a few years back when we couldn't seem to get him fit. We persevered with him though, and he became great defender for us.
Slight difference is between a centre back in division one, and a attacking midfielder, sorry but season is nearly over! Sadly kemy will be another with ability who lacks the discipline to really make it, the guy will be out of contract in 3 months , in about 4 weeks the lights will go on, and he will produce with hope of a new contract..really sad at 27 he wants it easy, guy has 5 years left of a job he should enjoy.
He's on a two year contract, so it doesn't expire until the end of NEXT season.

And 5 years left!? You still seem to think all players should are past it at 32 and should retire?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anthony 14[/bold] wrote: Kemy should be dominating matches with his ability, so its frustrating that he can't even make our bench at the moment. I'm sure when fully fit he is one of the best players in the Championship, but clearly he has a lot of work to first. I hope we remain patient with him instead of off-loading him. I know he is probably one of the highest earners at the club, but I think still think he can become an important player for the Albion. Guy Butters was the same a few years back when we couldn't seem to get him fit. We persevered with him though, and he became great defender for us.[/p][/quote]Slight difference is between a centre back in division one, and a attacking midfielder, sorry but season is nearly over! Sadly kemy will be another with ability who lacks the discipline to really make it, the guy will be out of contract in 3 months , in about 4 weeks the lights will go on, and he will produce with hope of a new contract..really sad at 27 he wants it easy, guy has 5 years left of a job he should enjoy.[/p][/quote]He's on a two year contract, so it doesn't expire until the end of NEXT season. And 5 years left!? You still seem to think all players should are past it at 32 and should retire? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

10:24am Tue 4 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Anthony 14 wrote:
Kemy should be dominating matches with his ability, so its frustrating that he can't even make our bench at the moment. I'm sure when fully fit he is one of the best players in the Championship, but clearly he has a lot of work to first.

I hope we remain patient with him instead of off-loading him. I know he is probably one of the highest earners at the club, but I think still think he can become an important player for the Albion. Guy Butters was the same a few years back when we couldn't seem to get him fit. We persevered with him though, and he became great defender for us.
Slight difference is between a centre back in division one, and a attacking midfielder, sorry but season is nearly over! Sadly kemy will be another with ability who lacks the discipline to really make it, the guy will be out of contract in 3 months , in about 4 weeks the lights will go on, and he will produce with hope of a new contract..really sad at 27 he wants it easy, guy has 5 years left of a job he should enjoy.
He's on a two year contract, so it doesn't expire until the end of NEXT season.

And 5 years left!? You still seem to think all players should are past it at 32 and should retire?
Average age of players retiring? This guy is a joke, look at the photo of him!
This guy has retired, will probably be paid off in the summer and he will look for another club to rob.
How many midfielders can you name in the championship over 32?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anthony 14[/bold] wrote: Kemy should be dominating matches with his ability, so its frustrating that he can't even make our bench at the moment. I'm sure when fully fit he is one of the best players in the Championship, but clearly he has a lot of work to first. I hope we remain patient with him instead of off-loading him. I know he is probably one of the highest earners at the club, but I think still think he can become an important player for the Albion. Guy Butters was the same a few years back when we couldn't seem to get him fit. We persevered with him though, and he became great defender for us.[/p][/quote]Slight difference is between a centre back in division one, and a attacking midfielder, sorry but season is nearly over! Sadly kemy will be another with ability who lacks the discipline to really make it, the guy will be out of contract in 3 months , in about 4 weeks the lights will go on, and he will produce with hope of a new contract..really sad at 27 he wants it easy, guy has 5 years left of a job he should enjoy.[/p][/quote]He's on a two year contract, so it doesn't expire until the end of NEXT season. And 5 years left!? You still seem to think all players should are past it at 32 and should retire?[/p][/quote]Average age of players retiring? This guy is a joke, look at the photo of him! This guy has retired, will probably be paid off in the summer and he will look for another club to rob. How many midfielders can you name in the championship over 32? mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

10:29am Tue 4 Mar 14

Gee Jay says...

These sort of players who are just picking up their wages are a waste of resources to the club and a bad example to the younger players.
It would be interesting to know what the older 'model' professionals like Caldi think.
Offload ASAP
These sort of players who are just picking up their wages are a waste of resources to the club and a bad example to the younger players. It would be interesting to know what the older 'model' professionals like Caldi think. Offload ASAP Gee Jay
  • Score: 5

10:30am Tue 4 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

Two year deal! That's why he does not put the effort in! Did someone really sign him three stone over weight? Probably on more than Barnes was on!
Two year deal! That's why he does not put the effort in! Did someone really sign him three stone over weight? Probably on more than Barnes was on! mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

10:58am Tue 4 Mar 14

seagulltone says...

Learning to contribute more !
Ex premier player !
Sounds & looks like a lazy I'm too good for the championship attitude,
shame, good talent if applied.
Learning to contribute more ! Ex premier player ! Sounds & looks like a lazy I'm too good for the championship attitude, shame, good talent if applied. seagulltone
  • Score: 7

11:14am Tue 4 Mar 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Anthony 14 wrote:
Kemy should be dominating matches with his ability, so its frustrating that he can't even make our bench at the moment. I'm sure when fully fit he is one of the best players in the Championship, but clearly he has a lot of work to first.

I hope we remain patient with him instead of off-loading him. I know he is probably one of the highest earners at the club, but I think still think he can become an important player for the Albion. Guy Butters was the same a few years back when we couldn't seem to get him fit. We persevered with him though, and he became great defender for us.
Slight difference is between a centre back in division one, and a attacking midfielder, sorry but season is nearly over! Sadly kemy will be another with ability who lacks the discipline to really make it, the guy will be out of contract in 3 months , in about 4 weeks the lights will go on, and he will produce with hope of a new contract..really sad at 27 he wants it easy, guy has 5 years left of a job he should enjoy.
He's on a two year contract, so it doesn't expire until the end of NEXT season.

And 5 years left!? You still seem to think all players should are past it at 32 and should retire?
Average age of players retiring? This guy is a joke, look at the photo of him!
This guy has retired, will probably be paid off in the summer and he will look for another club to rob.
How many midfielders can you name in the championship over 32?
The average retirement age of a footballer is 35 (source: The FA).

There aren't a huge amount, but off the top of my head there's Keith Andrews, Yossi Benayoun, Park Ji-Sung, John Eustace, Jonathan Greening, Carlos Edwards (both at least 35), David Dunn, Michael Brown (must be 37), David Norris...

"This guy is a joke" - unbelievable. "look at the photo of him" - That's an old photo (one the Argus have been using all season, I believe) and there is nothing in the story to say he is still carrying a few extra pounds; it is saying he isn't working hard enough in training. Different thing entirely.

It's incredible how much you and Freeloaders sound alike. Accusing players of earning free money from the club. "He will look for another club to rob" yeah, right...
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anthony 14[/bold] wrote: Kemy should be dominating matches with his ability, so its frustrating that he can't even make our bench at the moment. I'm sure when fully fit he is one of the best players in the Championship, but clearly he has a lot of work to first. I hope we remain patient with him instead of off-loading him. I know he is probably one of the highest earners at the club, but I think still think he can become an important player for the Albion. Guy Butters was the same a few years back when we couldn't seem to get him fit. We persevered with him though, and he became great defender for us.[/p][/quote]Slight difference is between a centre back in division one, and a attacking midfielder, sorry but season is nearly over! Sadly kemy will be another with ability who lacks the discipline to really make it, the guy will be out of contract in 3 months , in about 4 weeks the lights will go on, and he will produce with hope of a new contract..really sad at 27 he wants it easy, guy has 5 years left of a job he should enjoy.[/p][/quote]He's on a two year contract, so it doesn't expire until the end of NEXT season. And 5 years left!? You still seem to think all players should are past it at 32 and should retire?[/p][/quote]Average age of players retiring? This guy is a joke, look at the photo of him! This guy has retired, will probably be paid off in the summer and he will look for another club to rob. How many midfielders can you name in the championship over 32?[/p][/quote]The average retirement age of a footballer is 35 (source: The FA). There aren't a huge amount, but off the top of my head there's Keith Andrews, Yossi Benayoun, Park Ji-Sung, John Eustace, Jonathan Greening, Carlos Edwards (both at least 35), David Dunn, Michael Brown (must be 37), David Norris... "This guy is a joke" - unbelievable. "look at the photo of him" - That's an old photo (one the Argus have been using all season, I believe) and there is nothing in the story to say he is still carrying a few extra pounds; it is saying he isn't working hard enough in training. Different thing entirely. It's incredible how much you and Freeloaders sound alike. Accusing players of earning free money from the club. "He will look for another club to rob" yeah, right... Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

11:15am Tue 4 Mar 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Two year deal! That's why he does not put the effort in! Did someone really sign him three stone over weight? Probably on more than Barnes was on!
Where did you hear he was three stone overweight? He certainly didn't look anywhere near that large when he signed. He's hardly Adebayo Akinfenwa.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Two year deal! That's why he does not put the effort in! Did someone really sign him three stone over weight? Probably on more than Barnes was on![/p][/quote]Where did you hear he was three stone overweight? He certainly didn't look anywhere near that large when he signed. He's hardly Adebayo Akinfenwa. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

11:37am Tue 4 Mar 14

dazzler1983 says...

I find this article outrageous, all us normal folk Have to contribute at Our place of work every day and we earn a fraction of what kemy does.
Stop mollycoddling these "stars" It's about time they lived in the real world.
I find this article outrageous, all us normal folk Have to contribute at Our place of work every day and we earn a fraction of what kemy does. Stop mollycoddling these "stars" It's about time they lived in the real world. dazzler1983
  • Score: 2

12:00pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Gee Jay says...

dazzler1983 wrote:
I find this article outrageous, all us normal folk Have to contribute at Our place of work every day and we earn a fraction of what kemy does. Stop mollycoddling these "stars" It's about time they lived in the real world.
EXACTLY!
[quote][p][bold]dazzler1983[/bold] wrote: I find this article outrageous, all us normal folk Have to contribute at Our place of work every day and we earn a fraction of what kemy does. Stop mollycoddling these "stars" It's about time they lived in the real world.[/p][/quote]EXACTLY! Gee Jay
  • Score: 1

12:21pm Tue 4 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

So he is not any longer over weight, it's not a question of stamina, it's all down to the player not working hard enough, not applying himself to the task at hand.
When one of the guys working with me is given a shovel, a wheel barrow and is then pointed toward a 20 ton pile of rock that needs moving he doesn't have an option, move the pile or someone else will, there are always people looking for a job.
Kemmy if you don't want to do your job then ask to leave, you are not at the club just to make up the numbers. As a matter of self respect I would expect you to work hard, to do what you are paid to do, your actions would not have gone unnoticed by your squad mates.
So he is not any longer over weight, it's not a question of stamina, it's all down to the player not working hard enough, not applying himself to the task at hand. When one of the guys working with me is given a shovel, a wheel barrow and is then pointed toward a 20 ton pile of rock that needs moving he doesn't have an option, move the pile or someone else will, there are always people looking for a job. Kemmy if you don't want to do your job then ask to leave, you are not at the club just to make up the numbers. As a matter of self respect I would expect you to work hard, to do what you are paid to do, your actions would not have gone unnoticed by your squad mates. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

12:55pm Tue 4 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

Arnie , you clearly have not seen him play this season, not many fans have!
The players you name have one thing in common, they don't come to work way way over weight, this guy is 27 , he should be in his prime?
Let's put it in perspective, guy is probably on 10k a week, .. Which means we have parted with 350k in wages,! With the pleasure of another 750k to go,
Are you suggesting he put weight on after signing? I don't think so, his first game was at the Amex ( this photo is him playing first team) and he was carrying a tyre .. The club put him on " pre season training" after the league had kicked off...
The question is why is jones stating something that should not be made
Made public? Reading between the lines the club are not impressed with his efforts !
Jones says he is getting there? The season is nearly over!,
Arnie , you clearly have not seen him play this season, not many fans have! The players you name have one thing in common, they don't come to work way way over weight, this guy is 27 , he should be in his prime? Let's put it in perspective, guy is probably on 10k a week, .. Which means we have parted with 350k in wages,! With the pleasure of another 750k to go, Are you suggesting he put weight on after signing? I don't think so, his first game was at the Amex ( this photo is him playing first team) and he was carrying a tyre .. The club put him on " pre season training" after the league had kicked off... The question is why is jones stating something that should not be made Made public? Reading between the lines the club are not impressed with his efforts ! Jones says he is getting there? The season is nearly over!, mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

1:05pm Tue 4 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

Check out the photos of him on wiki. On last season he was at palace on loan, look at him there!
Check out the photos of him on wiki. On last season he was at palace on loan, look at him there! mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

1:57pm Tue 4 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Arnie , you clearly have not seen him play this season, not many fans have!
The players you name have one thing in common, they don't come to work way way over weight, this guy is 27 , he should be in his prime?
Let's put it in perspective, guy is probably on 10k a week, .. Which means we have parted with 350k in wages,! With the pleasure of another 750k to go,
Are you suggesting he put weight on after signing? I don't think so, his first game was at the Amex ( this photo is him playing first team) and he was carrying a tyre .. The club put him on " pre season training" after the league had kicked off...
The question is why is jones stating something that should not be made
Made public? Reading between the lines the club are not impressed with his efforts !
Jones says he is getting there? The season is nearly over!,
Why has the club gone public, well name and shame springs to mind, also it tells the fans what is what, so many would have been wondering why he isn't involved more. If he guy is not motivated then perhaps going public can be seen as the last resort as conventional methods seem to have failed.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Arnie , you clearly have not seen him play this season, not many fans have! The players you name have one thing in common, they don't come to work way way over weight, this guy is 27 , he should be in his prime? Let's put it in perspective, guy is probably on 10k a week, .. Which means we have parted with 350k in wages,! With the pleasure of another 750k to go, Are you suggesting he put weight on after signing? I don't think so, his first game was at the Amex ( this photo is him playing first team) and he was carrying a tyre .. The club put him on " pre season training" after the league had kicked off... The question is why is jones stating something that should not be made Made public? Reading between the lines the club are not impressed with his efforts ! Jones says he is getting there? The season is nearly over!,[/p][/quote]Why has the club gone public, well name and shame springs to mind, also it tells the fans what is what, so many would have been wondering why he isn't involved more. If he guy is not motivated then perhaps going public can be seen as the last resort as conventional methods seem to have failed. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 6

2:00pm Tue 4 Mar 14

jaybee68 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Arnie , you clearly have not seen him play this season, not many fans have!
The players you name have one thing in common, they don't come to work way way over weight, this guy is 27 , he should be in his prime?
Let's put it in perspective, guy is probably on 10k a week, .. Which means we have parted with 350k in wages,! With the pleasure of another 750k to go,
Are you suggesting he put weight on after signing? I don't think so, his first game was at the Amex ( this photo is him playing first team) and he was carrying a tyre .. The club put him on " pre season training" after the league had kicked off...
The question is why is jones stating something that should not be made
Made public? Reading between the lines the club are not impressed with his efforts !
Jones says he is getting there? The season is nearly over!,
Agreed with all of the above.
Its a real shame......I'm a big fan of Kemy and think he is exactly what we need. He is not afraid to take on a shot, technically is excellent, has 2 good feet, spots and can execute a pass and potentially is the ideal attacking midfielder.
For any who saw him play in the 2nd half friendly v Norwich will have seen his cross with the outside of his boot played running from behind his standing foot. Technically it still one of the best things I've seen at the Amex this year.
With his skills, he should be ripping opposing defences apart.
Its just a real shame that his cant marry talent to application. Lets hope the public rebuke and show that he needs to work by playing him in the DS does the trick.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Arnie , you clearly have not seen him play this season, not many fans have! The players you name have one thing in common, they don't come to work way way over weight, this guy is 27 , he should be in his prime? Let's put it in perspective, guy is probably on 10k a week, .. Which means we have parted with 350k in wages,! With the pleasure of another 750k to go, Are you suggesting he put weight on after signing? I don't think so, his first game was at the Amex ( this photo is him playing first team) and he was carrying a tyre .. The club put him on " pre season training" after the league had kicked off... The question is why is jones stating something that should not be made Made public? Reading between the lines the club are not impressed with his efforts ! Jones says he is getting there? The season is nearly over!,[/p][/quote]Agreed with all of the above. Its a real shame......I'm a big fan of Kemy and think he is exactly what we need. He is not afraid to take on a shot, technically is excellent, has 2 good feet, spots and can execute a pass and potentially is the ideal attacking midfielder. For any who saw him play in the 2nd half friendly v Norwich will have seen his cross with the outside of his boot played running from behind his standing foot. Technically it still one of the best things I've seen at the Amex this year. With his skills, he should be ripping opposing defences apart. Its just a real shame that his cant marry talent to application. Lets hope the public rebuke and show that he needs to work by playing him in the DS does the trick. jaybee68
  • Score: 2

2:30pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Arnie , you clearly have not seen him play this season, not many fans have!
The players you name have one thing in common, they don't come to work way way over weight, this guy is 27 , he should be in his prime?
Let's put it in perspective, guy is probably on 10k a week, .. Which means we have parted with 350k in wages,! With the pleasure of another 750k to go,
Are you suggesting he put weight on after signing? I don't think so, his first game was at the Amex ( this photo is him playing first team) and he was carrying a tyre .. The club put him on " pre season training" after the league had kicked off...
The question is why is jones stating something that should not be made
Made public? Reading between the lines the club are not impressed with his efforts !
Jones says he is getting there? The season is nearly over!,
Are you saying his extra few pounds will cut short his career? Weight (just a few pounds, as in this case) is not an issue, if he can still move around the park. That comes with fitness, not weight loss. It seems it is his fitness/stamina that is the issue here.

And why are you asking if I think he has put weight on since he joined? What have I said that could give that impression? I said quite the opposite - that there is nothing in the story to say he is overweight.

And less than 70% the way through the season is not exactly "nearly over".
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Arnie , you clearly have not seen him play this season, not many fans have! The players you name have one thing in common, they don't come to work way way over weight, this guy is 27 , he should be in his prime? Let's put it in perspective, guy is probably on 10k a week, .. Which means we have parted with 350k in wages,! With the pleasure of another 750k to go, Are you suggesting he put weight on after signing? I don't think so, his first game was at the Amex ( this photo is him playing first team) and he was carrying a tyre .. The club put him on " pre season training" after the league had kicked off... The question is why is jones stating something that should not be made Made public? Reading between the lines the club are not impressed with his efforts ! Jones says he is getting there? The season is nearly over!,[/p][/quote]Are you saying his extra few pounds will cut short his career? Weight (just a few pounds, as in this case) is not an issue, if he can still move around the park. That comes with fitness, not weight loss. It seems it is his fitness/stamina that is the issue here. And why are you asking if I think he has put weight on since he joined? What have I said that could give that impression? I said quite the opposite - that there is nothing in the story to say he is overweight. And less than 70% the way through the season is not exactly "nearly over". Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -5

3:46pm Tue 4 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

Arnie , his lifestyle and desire will determine his career , Ryan Giggs is the example .
As for a few pounds lol the club would love it to be that!
Here is the question Arnie !,, others has named it.. Why has kemy been
1) named as not doing enough on the training ground ?
2) why has he been punished and stuck in the developement side?
Trouble with your arguments old bean is your more determined to prove me wrong than look at the story on its merits.
Last point is this,
How is it a 27 year old is struggling with stamina and fitness issues ?
And part of the answer is his weight... More to do with lifestyle choices than anything else.
My parting point is I am 52 years old, if I trained 4 days a week for 3 months I could run a marathon with ease,
I would lose about 14lb in that time, what has kemy been doing with all his experience and the know how of fitness coaches at this club in 7 months?
The guy is not interested, I imagine he will have his contract paid off and shown the door in the summer .
Arnie , his lifestyle and desire will determine his career , Ryan Giggs is the example . As for a few pounds lol the club would love it to be that! Here is the question Arnie !,, others has named it.. Why has kemy been 1) named as not doing enough on the training ground ? 2) why has he been punished and stuck in the developement side? Trouble with your arguments old bean is your more determined to prove me wrong than look at the story on its merits. Last point is this, How is it a 27 year old is struggling with stamina and fitness issues ? And part of the answer is his weight... More to do with lifestyle choices than anything else. My parting point is I am 52 years old, if I trained 4 days a week for 3 months I could run a marathon with ease, I would lose about 14lb in that time, what has kemy been doing with all his experience and the know how of fitness coaches at this club in 7 months? The guy is not interested, I imagine he will have his contract paid off and shown the door in the summer . mark by the sea
  • Score: 12

3:58pm Tue 4 Mar 14

tinker111 says...

Steveg1958 wrote:
So finally the truth comes out, ! What a waste of time, shouldn't the coaching staff have been aware months ago that he wasn't working hard enough and put a rocket up his backside ? Offload the waster at the end of the season, he's a passenger, I'd rather have a youngster who wants to play.
With N J as no2 coach do you realy think he knows what is required ,lets face it his Ive had him before brought N O here the biggest waste of space you could get lucky in JO;S case short term but 2 years of K A what a waste of wages ,why do you think the Swan's dumped THE DRIVING ???????? .
LET THE CLUB KEEP N J 'S Mouth shut and away from any signings.
[quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: So finally the truth comes out, ! What a waste of time, shouldn't the coaching staff have been aware months ago that he wasn't working hard enough and put a rocket up his backside ? Offload the waster at the end of the season, he's a passenger, I'd rather have a youngster who wants to play.[/p][/quote]With N J as no2 coach do you realy think he knows what is required ,lets face it his Ive had him before brought N O here the biggest waste of space you could get lucky in JO;S case short term but 2 years of K A what a waste of wages ,why do you think the Swan's dumped THE DRIVING ???????? . LET THE CLUB KEEP N J 'S Mouth shut and away from any signings. tinker111
  • Score: -5

4:18pm Tue 4 Mar 14

thebigun says...

jaybee68 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Arnie , you clearly have not seen him play this season, not many fans have!
The players you name have one thing in common, they don't come to work way way over weight, this guy is 27 , he should be in his prime?
Let's put it in perspective, guy is probably on 10k a week, .. Which means we have parted with 350k in wages,! With the pleasure of another 750k to go,
Are you suggesting he put weight on after signing? I don't think so, his first game was at the Amex ( this photo is him playing first team) and he was carrying a tyre .. The club put him on " pre season training" after the league had kicked off...
The question is why is jones stating something that should not be made
Made public? Reading between the lines the club are not impressed with his efforts !
Jones says he is getting there? The season is nearly over!,
Agreed with all of the above.
Its a real shame......I'm a big fan of Kemy and think he is exactly what we need. He is not afraid to take on a shot, technically is excellent, has 2 good feet, spots and can execute a pass and potentially is the ideal attacking midfielder.
For any who saw him play in the 2nd half friendly v Norwich will have seen his cross with the outside of his boot played running from behind his standing foot. Technically it still one of the best things I've seen at the Amex this year.
With his skills, he should be ripping opposing defences apart.
Its just a real shame that his cant marry talent to application. Lets hope the public rebuke and show that he needs to work by playing him in the DS does the trick.
I don't know what games youve watched him play in, but I,ve seen him in the few times he,s played at the amex,cant agree ,has he scored don't think so nearly did against Reading in the cup.,Passes go stray because he tries to pass to long because he cant keep up with the game,two good feet cant see it ,get rid of him now and get a loan player who is everything you say Agustien is
[quote][p][bold]jaybee68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Arnie , you clearly have not seen him play this season, not many fans have! The players you name have one thing in common, they don't come to work way way over weight, this guy is 27 , he should be in his prime? Let's put it in perspective, guy is probably on 10k a week, .. Which means we have parted with 350k in wages,! With the pleasure of another 750k to go, Are you suggesting he put weight on after signing? I don't think so, his first game was at the Amex ( this photo is him playing first team) and he was carrying a tyre .. The club put him on " pre season training" after the league had kicked off... The question is why is jones stating something that should not be made Made public? Reading between the lines the club are not impressed with his efforts ! Jones says he is getting there? The season is nearly over!,[/p][/quote]Agreed with all of the above. Its a real shame......I'm a big fan of Kemy and think he is exactly what we need. He is not afraid to take on a shot, technically is excellent, has 2 good feet, spots and can execute a pass and potentially is the ideal attacking midfielder. For any who saw him play in the 2nd half friendly v Norwich will have seen his cross with the outside of his boot played running from behind his standing foot. Technically it still one of the best things I've seen at the Amex this year. With his skills, he should be ripping opposing defences apart. Its just a real shame that his cant marry talent to application. Lets hope the public rebuke and show that he needs to work by playing him in the DS does the trick.[/p][/quote]I don't know what games youve watched him play in, but I,ve seen him in the few times he,s played at the amex,cant agree ,has he scored don't think so nearly did against Reading in the cup.,Passes go stray because he tries to pass to long because he cant keep up with the game,two good feet cant see it ,get rid of him now and get a loan player who is everything you say Agustien is thebigun
  • Score: 3

4:54pm Tue 4 Mar 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Who recommended him - that's the real question? NJ seems very public and talkative about the guy.................
....get the impression that OG wasn't very keen from the off! You only needed to read his stats to ask a few obvious questions. Great pity because we are trying to save money and this looks clearly like money wasted.
Who recommended him - that's the real question? NJ seems very public and talkative about the guy................. ....get the impression that OG wasn't very keen from the off! You only needed to read his stats to ask a few obvious questions. Great pity because we are trying to save money and this looks clearly like money wasted. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 4

4:57pm Tue 4 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Who recommended him - that's the real question? NJ seems very public and talkative about the guy.................

....get the impression that OG wasn't very keen from the off! You only needed to read his stats to ask a few obvious questions. Great pity because we are trying to save money and this looks clearly like money wasted.
No ask ex pat Arnie , guy is a bargain! If he is on 10k a week, that's a million in wages over two years, think him turning down a loan move to wolves has stirred the pot!
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: Who recommended him - that's the real question? NJ seems very public and talkative about the guy................. ....get the impression that OG wasn't very keen from the off! You only needed to read his stats to ask a few obvious questions. Great pity because we are trying to save money and this looks clearly like money wasted.[/p][/quote]No ask ex pat Arnie , guy is a bargain! If he is on 10k a week, that's a million in wages over two years, think him turning down a loan move to wolves has stirred the pot! mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

5:00pm Tue 4 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Arnie , his lifestyle and desire will determine his career , Ryan Giggs is the example .
As for a few pounds lol the club would love it to be that!
Here is the question Arnie !,, others has named it.. Why has kemy been
1) named as not doing enough on the training ground ?
2) why has he been punished and stuck in the developement side?
Trouble with your arguments old bean is your more determined to prove me wrong than look at the story on its merits.
Last point is this,
How is it a 27 year old is struggling with stamina and fitness issues ?
And part of the answer is his weight... More to do with lifestyle choices than anything else.
My parting point is I am 52 years old, if I trained 4 days a week for 3 months I could run a marathon with ease,
I would lose about 14lb in that time, what has kemy been doing with all his experience and the know how of fitness coaches at this club in 7 months?
The guy is not interested, I imagine he will have his contract paid off and shown the door in the summer .
Mark, I think the article today has moved the conversation along, I am not sure that there even is a weight problem anymore, there might not even be a stamina issue, from what I have read it suggests that Kemmy is somewhat disengaged from what is going on out on the training field.
'Kemmy is a fantastic player, we just need a bit more from him, 'he needs to contribute every single day,' these comments by Jones don't talk of fitness, in fact he played a full 90 minutes with the under 21's. Kemmy can get, 'stronger,' stronger in the sense of playing a bigger part in training, by focusing on his work, he needs a, 'stronger,' commitment, that is what I am getting from what Jones is saying.

We hear of certain players going, 'missing,' in some of our matches, it sounds as though Kemmy is going missing in training, he simply is not putting in a shift, even though physically he can. It might be that the lad doesn't want to be at the club, maybe some personal issues exist, too far away from family and friends, who knows, but what ever it is with him, he needs to man up, do what is required or ask to be let go, terminate his contract at no cost to the club and wish him well.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Arnie , his lifestyle and desire will determine his career , Ryan Giggs is the example . As for a few pounds lol the club would love it to be that! Here is the question Arnie !,, others has named it.. Why has kemy been 1) named as not doing enough on the training ground ? 2) why has he been punished and stuck in the developement side? Trouble with your arguments old bean is your more determined to prove me wrong than look at the story on its merits. Last point is this, How is it a 27 year old is struggling with stamina and fitness issues ? And part of the answer is his weight... More to do with lifestyle choices than anything else. My parting point is I am 52 years old, if I trained 4 days a week for 3 months I could run a marathon with ease, I would lose about 14lb in that time, what has kemy been doing with all his experience and the know how of fitness coaches at this club in 7 months? The guy is not interested, I imagine he will have his contract paid off and shown the door in the summer .[/p][/quote]Mark, I think the article today has moved the conversation along, I am not sure that there even is a weight problem anymore, there might not even be a stamina issue, from what I have read it suggests that Kemmy is somewhat disengaged from what is going on out on the training field. 'Kemmy is a fantastic player, we just need a bit more from him, 'he needs to contribute every single day,' these comments by Jones don't talk of fitness, in fact he played a full 90 minutes with the under 21's. Kemmy can get, 'stronger,' stronger in the sense of playing a bigger part in training, by focusing on his work, he needs a, 'stronger,' commitment, that is what I am getting from what Jones is saying. We hear of certain players going, 'missing,' in some of our matches, it sounds as though Kemmy is going missing in training, he simply is not putting in a shift, even though physically he can. It might be that the lad doesn't want to be at the club, maybe some personal issues exist, too far away from family and friends, who knows, but what ever it is with him, he needs to man up, do what is required or ask to be let go, terminate his contract at no cost to the club and wish him well. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

5:10pm Tue 4 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Arnie , his lifestyle and desire will determine his career , Ryan Giggs is the example .
As for a few pounds lol the club would love it to be that!
Here is the question Arnie !,, others has named it.. Why has kemy been
1) named as not doing enough on the training ground ?
2) why has he been punished and stuck in the developement side?
Trouble with your arguments old bean is your more determined to prove me wrong than look at the story on its merits.
Last point is this,
How is it a 27 year old is struggling with stamina and fitness issues ?
And part of the answer is his weight... More to do with lifestyle choices than anything else.
My parting point is I am 52 years old, if I trained 4 days a week for 3 months I could run a marathon with ease,
I would lose about 14lb in that time, what has kemy been doing with all his experience and the know how of fitness coaches at this club in 7 months?
The guy is not interested, I imagine he will have his contract paid off and shown the door in the summer .
Mark, I think the article today has moved the conversation along, I am not sure that there even is a weight problem anymore, there might not even be a stamina issue, from what I have read it suggests that Kemmy is somewhat disengaged from what is going on out on the training field.
'Kemmy is a fantastic player, we just need a bit more from him, 'he needs to contribute every single day,' these comments by Jones don't talk of fitness, in fact he played a full 90 minutes with the under 21's. Kemmy can get, 'stronger,' stronger in the sense of playing a bigger part in training, by focusing on his work, he needs a, 'stronger,' commitment, that is what I am getting from what Jones is saying.

We hear of certain players going, 'missing,' in some of our matches, it sounds as though Kemmy is going missing in training, he simply is not putting in a shift, even though physically he can. It might be that the lad doesn't want to be at the club, maybe some personal issues exist, too far away from family and friends, who knows, but what ever it is with him, he needs to man up, do what is required or ask to be let go, terminate his contract at no cost to the club and wish him well.
Players not being great in training is one thing, I think it runs deeper than that, ifrom what I understand kemy turned down a loan to wolves last week, does he want to play or collect his wages? Let's be honest who signed him? Guy was way over weight, his BMI can't have been very good, and surely that alone should have questioned his professional desire.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Arnie , his lifestyle and desire will determine his career , Ryan Giggs is the example . As for a few pounds lol the club would love it to be that! Here is the question Arnie !,, others has named it.. Why has kemy been 1) named as not doing enough on the training ground ? 2) why has he been punished and stuck in the developement side? Trouble with your arguments old bean is your more determined to prove me wrong than look at the story on its merits. Last point is this, How is it a 27 year old is struggling with stamina and fitness issues ? And part of the answer is his weight... More to do with lifestyle choices than anything else. My parting point is I am 52 years old, if I trained 4 days a week for 3 months I could run a marathon with ease, I would lose about 14lb in that time, what has kemy been doing with all his experience and the know how of fitness coaches at this club in 7 months? The guy is not interested, I imagine he will have his contract paid off and shown the door in the summer .[/p][/quote]Mark, I think the article today has moved the conversation along, I am not sure that there even is a weight problem anymore, there might not even be a stamina issue, from what I have read it suggests that Kemmy is somewhat disengaged from what is going on out on the training field. 'Kemmy is a fantastic player, we just need a bit more from him, 'he needs to contribute every single day,' these comments by Jones don't talk of fitness, in fact he played a full 90 minutes with the under 21's. Kemmy can get, 'stronger,' stronger in the sense of playing a bigger part in training, by focusing on his work, he needs a, 'stronger,' commitment, that is what I am getting from what Jones is saying. We hear of certain players going, 'missing,' in some of our matches, it sounds as though Kemmy is going missing in training, he simply is not putting in a shift, even though physically he can. It might be that the lad doesn't want to be at the club, maybe some personal issues exist, too far away from family and friends, who knows, but what ever it is with him, he needs to man up, do what is required or ask to be let go, terminate his contract at no cost to the club and wish him well.[/p][/quote]Players not being great in training is one thing, I think it runs deeper than that, ifrom what I understand kemy turned down a loan to wolves last week, does he want to play or collect his wages? Let's be honest who signed him? Guy was way over weight, his BMI can't have been very good, and surely that alone should have questioned his professional desire. mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

5:40pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Arnie , his lifestyle and desire will determine his career , Ryan Giggs is the example .
As for a few pounds lol the club would love it to be that!
Here is the question Arnie !,, others has named it.. Why has kemy been
1) named as not doing enough on the training ground ?
2) why has he been punished and stuck in the developement side?
Trouble with your arguments old bean is your more determined to prove me wrong than look at the story on its merits.
Last point is this,
How is it a 27 year old is struggling with stamina and fitness issues ?
And part of the answer is his weight... More to do with lifestyle choices than anything else.
My parting point is I am 52 years old, if I trained 4 days a week for 3 months I could run a marathon with ease,
I would lose about 14lb in that time, what has kemy been doing with all his experience and the know how of fitness coaches at this club in 7 months?
The guy is not interested, I imagine he will have his contract paid off and shown the door in the summer .
AS far as I see it, kemy is in the development squad for the same reason as CMS and Hoskins - to get some match fitness. I'm not sure why you think it is punishment - he's not match-fit enough for the first team yet needs minutes on the pitch. How else is he going to get them?

Do you KNOW how much overweight Kemy is? Have you seen him recently? He was, by his own admission, carrying a few pounds he didn't need, but (and I say it for the third time) there is nothing in this story to suggest it is still a problem.

And you have fallen into the classic trap of thinking that because someone has the ability to be a top flight footballer they must also have the inherent fitness and stamina. They can all be improved, but if you don't have the genetic basics you will always struggle.

It's just possible that (weight as a non-issue) he is as fit as it is possible for HIM to be. I'm not saying that is the case, but you cannot have every player with the same intrinsic fitness. It is arrogance on your part to state as fact that it is his lifestyle that is the problem.

My parting shot is this - I am nearly 42 and if I trained 4 days a week for 3 months and tried to run a marathon, I would collapse. I would be hospitalized and asked what the flipping hell I thought I was doing. We are all different, including Kemy. And that's not to say he doesn't need to buck his ideas up. The fact is I don't know. And neither do you.

Surely we can all agree that a fit and ready Kemy is a boon to the first team?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Arnie , his lifestyle and desire will determine his career , Ryan Giggs is the example . As for a few pounds lol the club would love it to be that! Here is the question Arnie !,, others has named it.. Why has kemy been 1) named as not doing enough on the training ground ? 2) why has he been punished and stuck in the developement side? Trouble with your arguments old bean is your more determined to prove me wrong than look at the story on its merits. Last point is this, How is it a 27 year old is struggling with stamina and fitness issues ? And part of the answer is his weight... More to do with lifestyle choices than anything else. My parting point is I am 52 years old, if I trained 4 days a week for 3 months I could run a marathon with ease, I would lose about 14lb in that time, what has kemy been doing with all his experience and the know how of fitness coaches at this club in 7 months? The guy is not interested, I imagine he will have his contract paid off and shown the door in the summer .[/p][/quote]AS far as I see it, kemy is in the development squad for the same reason as CMS and Hoskins - to get some match fitness. I'm not sure why you think it is punishment - he's not match-fit enough for the first team yet needs minutes on the pitch. How else is he going to get them? Do you KNOW how much overweight Kemy is? Have you seen him recently? He was, by his own admission, carrying a few pounds he didn't need, but (and I say it for the third time) there is nothing in this story to suggest it is still a problem. And you have fallen into the classic trap of thinking that because someone has the ability to be a top flight footballer they must also have the inherent fitness and stamina. They can all be improved, but if you don't have the genetic basics you will always struggle. It's just possible that (weight as a non-issue) he is as fit as it is possible for HIM to be. I'm not saying that is the case, but you cannot have every player with the same intrinsic fitness. It is arrogance on your part to state as fact that it is his lifestyle that is the problem. My parting shot is this - I am nearly 42 and if I trained 4 days a week for 3 months and tried to run a marathon, I would collapse. I would be hospitalized and asked what the flipping hell I thought I was doing. We are all different, including Kemy. And that's not to say he doesn't need to buck his ideas up. The fact is I don't know. And neither do you. Surely we can all agree that a fit and ready Kemy is a boon to the first team? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -4

5:44pm Tue 4 Mar 14

dave from bexill says...

Good argument above. For me Kemy Agustien is probably the biggest disappointment of the season so far. When signed, I thought he would be our own Charlie Adam type, able to show a great array of passing skills and reading of a game. I wasn't too concerned that he seemed to carry a bit of extra weight (remember the great Jan Molby ), but oh dear, what a let down for us. Had he shown anything like his undoubted skills, he'd have been a permanent fixture in the side this season. I just hope he's not turned out to be a bad influence on the other players, especially our younger set. I'd be surprised if he's not paid off at the end of the season, and if true am even more surprised he turned down the chance to move to Wolves.
Good argument above. For me Kemy Agustien is probably the biggest disappointment of the season so far. When signed, I thought he would be our own Charlie Adam type, able to show a great array of passing skills and reading of a game. I wasn't too concerned that he seemed to carry a bit of extra weight (remember the great Jan Molby ), but oh dear, what a let down for us. Had he shown anything like his undoubted skills, he'd have been a permanent fixture in the side this season. I just hope he's not turned out to be a bad influence on the other players, especially our younger set. I'd be surprised if he's not paid off at the end of the season, and if true am even more surprised he turned down the chance to move to Wolves. dave from bexill
  • Score: 3

5:45pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Who recommended him - that's the real question? NJ seems very public and talkative about the guy.................


....get the impression that OG wasn't very keen from the off! You only needed to read his stats to ask a few obvious questions. Great pity because we are trying to save money and this looks clearly like money wasted.
No ask ex pat Arnie , guy is a bargain! If he is on 10k a week, that's a million in wages over two years, think him turning down a loan move to wolves has stirred the pot!
And you're 52? Grow up, perhaps? Never said he was a bargain, just saying you don't know what his lifestyle is like.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: Who recommended him - that's the real question? NJ seems very public and talkative about the guy................. ....get the impression that OG wasn't very keen from the off! You only needed to read his stats to ask a few obvious questions. Great pity because we are trying to save money and this looks clearly like money wasted.[/p][/quote]No ask ex pat Arnie , guy is a bargain! If he is on 10k a week, that's a million in wages over two years, think him turning down a loan move to wolves has stirred the pot![/p][/quote]And you're 52? Grow up, perhaps? Never said he was a bargain, just saying you don't know what his lifestyle is like. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -5

5:57pm Tue 4 Mar 14

thebigun says...

jaybee68 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Arnie , you clearly have not seen him play this season, not many fans have!
The players you name have one thing in common, they don't come to work way way over weight, this guy is 27 , he should be in his prime?
Let's put it in perspective, guy is probably on 10k a week, .. Which means we have parted with 350k in wages,! With the pleasure of another 750k to go,
Are you suggesting he put weight on after signing? I don't think so, his first game was at the Amex ( this photo is him playing first team) and he was carrying a tyre .. The club put him on " pre season training" after the league had kicked off...
The question is why is jones stating something that should not be made
Made public? Reading between the lines the club are not impressed with his efforts !
Jones says he is getting there? The season is nearly over!,
Agreed with all of the above.
Its a real shame......I'm a big fan of Kemy and think he is exactly what we need. He is not afraid to take on a shot, technically is excellent, has 2 good feet, spots and can execute a pass and potentially is the ideal attacking midfielder.
For any who saw him play in the 2nd half friendly v Norwich will have seen his cross with the outside of his boot played running from behind his standing foot. Technically it still one of the best things I've seen at the Amex this year.
With his skills, he should be ripping opposing defences apart.
Its just a real shame that his cant marry talent to application. Lets hope the public rebuke and show that he needs to work by playing him in the DS does the trick.
I don't know what games youve watched him play in, but I,ve seen him in the few times he,s played at the amex,cant agree ,has he scored don't think so nearly did against Reading in the cup.,Passes go stray because he tries to pass to long because he cant keep up with the game,two good feet cant see it ,get rid of him now and get a loan player who is everything you say Agustien is
[quote][p][bold]jaybee68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Arnie , you clearly have not seen him play this season, not many fans have! The players you name have one thing in common, they don't come to work way way over weight, this guy is 27 , he should be in his prime? Let's put it in perspective, guy is probably on 10k a week, .. Which means we have parted with 350k in wages,! With the pleasure of another 750k to go, Are you suggesting he put weight on after signing? I don't think so, his first game was at the Amex ( this photo is him playing first team) and he was carrying a tyre .. The club put him on " pre season training" after the league had kicked off... The question is why is jones stating something that should not be made Made public? Reading between the lines the club are not impressed with his efforts ! Jones says he is getting there? The season is nearly over!,[/p][/quote]Agreed with all of the above. Its a real shame......I'm a big fan of Kemy and think he is exactly what we need. He is not afraid to take on a shot, technically is excellent, has 2 good feet, spots and can execute a pass and potentially is the ideal attacking midfielder. For any who saw him play in the 2nd half friendly v Norwich will have seen his cross with the outside of his boot played running from behind his standing foot. Technically it still one of the best things I've seen at the Amex this year. With his skills, he should be ripping opposing defences apart. Its just a real shame that his cant marry talent to application. Lets hope the public rebuke and show that he needs to work by playing him in the DS does the trick.[/p][/quote]I don't know what games youve watched him play in, but I,ve seen him in the few times he,s played at the amex,cant agree ,has he scored don't think so nearly did against Reading in the cup.,Passes go stray because he tries to pass to long because he cant keep up with the game,two good feet cant see it ,get rid of him now and get a loan player who is everything you say Agustien is thebigun
  • Score: 1

6:04pm Tue 4 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Arnie , his lifestyle and desire will determine his career , Ryan Giggs is the example .
As for a few pounds lol the club would love it to be that!
Here is the question Arnie !,, others has named it.. Why has kemy been
1) named as not doing enough on the training ground ?
2) why has he been punished and stuck in the developement side?
Trouble with your arguments old bean is your more determined to prove me wrong than look at the story on its merits.
Last point is this,
How is it a 27 year old is struggling with stamina and fitness issues ?
And part of the answer is his weight... More to do with lifestyle choices than anything else.
My parting point is I am 52 years old, if I trained 4 days a week for 3 months I could run a marathon with ease,
I would lose about 14lb in that time, what has kemy been doing with all his experience and the know how of fitness coaches at this club in 7 months?
The guy is not interested, I imagine he will have his contract paid off and shown the door in the summer .
AS far as I see it, kemy is in the development squad for the same reason as CMS and Hoskins - to get some match fitness. I'm not sure why you think it is punishment - he's not match-fit enough for the first team yet needs minutes on the pitch. How else is he going to get them?

Do you KNOW how much overweight Kemy is? Have you seen him recently? He was, by his own admission, carrying a few pounds he didn't need, but (and I say it for the third time) there is nothing in this story to suggest it is still a problem.

And you have fallen into the classic trap of thinking that because someone has the ability to be a top flight footballer they must also have the inherent fitness and stamina. They can all be improved, but if you don't have the genetic basics you will always struggle.

It's just possible that (weight as a non-issue) he is as fit as it is possible for HIM to be. I'm not saying that is the case, but you cannot have every player with the same intrinsic fitness. It is arrogance on your part to state as fact that it is his lifestyle that is the problem.

My parting shot is this - I am nearly 42 and if I trained 4 days a week for 3 months and tried to run a marathon, I would collapse. I would be hospitalized and asked what the flipping hell I thought I was doing. We are all different, including Kemy. And that's not to say he doesn't need to buck his ideas up. The fact is I don't know. And neither do you.

Surely we can all agree that a fit and ready Kemy is a boon to the first team?
The guy has been here 7 months, he clearly needs to buck his ideas up,
How many other fit players are playing for the 21 s? Guy has not been injured normally players use that to return from injury,
Why is jones saying something that should remain private? It's clearly been said to him in private,
His weight was a issue, guy is meant to be a professional footballer, his lack of discipline over his weight is clearly the same poor attitude in training!
It's the same with guys who work for me, turn up with a hangover and you get sent home..
Why would jones make this public, and what do you think has been said in private? Probably not the same!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Arnie , his lifestyle and desire will determine his career , Ryan Giggs is the example . As for a few pounds lol the club would love it to be that! Here is the question Arnie !,, others has named it.. Why has kemy been 1) named as not doing enough on the training ground ? 2) why has he been punished and stuck in the developement side? Trouble with your arguments old bean is your more determined to prove me wrong than look at the story on its merits. Last point is this, How is it a 27 year old is struggling with stamina and fitness issues ? And part of the answer is his weight... More to do with lifestyle choices than anything else. My parting point is I am 52 years old, if I trained 4 days a week for 3 months I could run a marathon with ease, I would lose about 14lb in that time, what has kemy been doing with all his experience and the know how of fitness coaches at this club in 7 months? The guy is not interested, I imagine he will have his contract paid off and shown the door in the summer .[/p][/quote]AS far as I see it, kemy is in the development squad for the same reason as CMS and Hoskins - to get some match fitness. I'm not sure why you think it is punishment - he's not match-fit enough for the first team yet needs minutes on the pitch. How else is he going to get them? Do you KNOW how much overweight Kemy is? Have you seen him recently? He was, by his own admission, carrying a few pounds he didn't need, but (and I say it for the third time) there is nothing in this story to suggest it is still a problem. And you have fallen into the classic trap of thinking that because someone has the ability to be a top flight footballer they must also have the inherent fitness and stamina. They can all be improved, but if you don't have the genetic basics you will always struggle. It's just possible that (weight as a non-issue) he is as fit as it is possible for HIM to be. I'm not saying that is the case, but you cannot have every player with the same intrinsic fitness. It is arrogance on your part to state as fact that it is his lifestyle that is the problem. My parting shot is this - I am nearly 42 and if I trained 4 days a week for 3 months and tried to run a marathon, I would collapse. I would be hospitalized and asked what the flipping hell I thought I was doing. We are all different, including Kemy. And that's not to say he doesn't need to buck his ideas up. The fact is I don't know. And neither do you. Surely we can all agree that a fit and ready Kemy is a boon to the first team?[/p][/quote]The guy has been here 7 months, he clearly needs to buck his ideas up, How many other fit players are playing for the 21 s? Guy has not been injured normally players use that to return from injury, Why is jones saying something that should remain private? It's clearly been said to him in private, His weight was a issue, guy is meant to be a professional footballer, his lack of discipline over his weight is clearly the same poor attitude in training! It's the same with guys who work for me, turn up with a hangover and you get sent home.. Why would jones make this public, and what do you think has been said in private? Probably not the same! mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

6:06pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Seagull John says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Good argument above. For me Kemy Agustien is probably the biggest disappointment of the season so far. When signed, I thought he would be our own Charlie Adam type, able to show a great array of passing skills and reading of a game. I wasn't too concerned that he seemed to carry a bit of extra weight (remember the great Jan Molby ), but oh dear, what a let down for us. Had he shown anything like his undoubted skills, he'd have been a permanent fixture in the side this season. I just hope he's not turned out to be a bad influence on the other players, especially our younger set. I'd be surprised if he's not paid off at the end of the season, and if true am even more surprised he turned down the chance to move to Wolves.
Got that wrong then Dave. Adam is a spiteful individual who would trample a players ankles at the first opportunity yet has the talent and the fitness to influence a match. Kemy is a throwback to 60s and 70s players like Currie who have talent in abundance yet hide behind it to avoid working in a match. Doubt he will change now though.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: Good argument above. For me Kemy Agustien is probably the biggest disappointment of the season so far. When signed, I thought he would be our own Charlie Adam type, able to show a great array of passing skills and reading of a game. I wasn't too concerned that he seemed to carry a bit of extra weight (remember the great Jan Molby ), but oh dear, what a let down for us. Had he shown anything like his undoubted skills, he'd have been a permanent fixture in the side this season. I just hope he's not turned out to be a bad influence on the other players, especially our younger set. I'd be surprised if he's not paid off at the end of the season, and if true am even more surprised he turned down the chance to move to Wolves.[/p][/quote]Got that wrong then Dave. Adam is a spiteful individual who would trample a players ankles at the first opportunity yet has the talent and the fitness to influence a match. Kemy is a throwback to 60s and 70s players like Currie who have talent in abundance yet hide behind it to avoid working in a match. Doubt he will change now though. Seagull John
  • Score: 1

6:18pm Tue 4 Mar 14

championshipgull says...

Couple of tweet from Kemy I thought could be of interest


kemy agustien ‏@KemyAgustien Jan 14
Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it.

kemy agustien ‏@KemyAgustien Feb 25
All those that judge without knowing me and got the biggest talk behind a screen.

Nothing about Seagulls following the trawlers, Yet though
Couple of tweet from Kemy I thought could be of interest kemy agustien ‏@KemyAgustien Jan 14 Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. kemy agustien ‏@KemyAgustien Feb 25 All those that judge without knowing me and got the biggest talk behind a screen. Nothing about Seagulls following the trawlers, Yet though championshipgull
  • Score: 3

6:20pm Tue 4 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Arnie , his lifestyle and desire will determine his career , Ryan Giggs is the example .
As for a few pounds lol the club would love it to be that!
Here is the question Arnie !,, others has named it.. Why has kemy been
1) named as not doing enough on the training ground ?
2) why has he been punished and stuck in the developement side?
Trouble with your arguments old bean is your more determined to prove me wrong than look at the story on its merits.
Last point is this,
How is it a 27 year old is struggling with stamina and fitness issues ?
And part of the answer is his weight... More to do with lifestyle choices than anything else.
My parting point is I am 52 years old, if I trained 4 days a week for 3 months I could run a marathon with ease,
I would lose about 14lb in that time, what has kemy been doing with all his experience and the know how of fitness coaches at this club in 7 months?
The guy is not interested, I imagine he will have his contract paid off and shown the door in the summer .
AS far as I see it, kemy is in the development squad for the same reason as CMS and Hoskins - to get some match fitness. I'm not sure why you think it is punishment - he's not match-fit enough for the first team yet needs minutes on the pitch. How else is he going to get them?

Do you KNOW how much overweight Kemy is? Have you seen him recently? He was, by his own admission, carrying a few pounds he didn't need, but (and I say it for the third time) there is nothing in this story to suggest it is still a problem.

And you have fallen into the classic trap of thinking that because someone has the ability to be a top flight footballer they must also have the inherent fitness and stamina. They can all be improved, but if you don't have the genetic basics you will always struggle.

It's just possible that (weight as a non-issue) he is as fit as it is possible for HIM to be. I'm not saying that is the case, but you cannot have every player with the same intrinsic fitness. It is arrogance on your part to state as fact that it is his lifestyle that is the problem.

My parting shot is this - I am nearly 42 and if I trained 4 days a week for 3 months and tried to run a marathon, I would collapse. I would be hospitalized and asked what the flipping hell I thought I was doing. We are all different, including Kemy. And that's not to say he doesn't need to buck his ideas up. The fact is I don't know. And neither do you.

Surely we can all agree that a fit and ready Kemy is a boon to the first team?
The guy has been here 7 months, he clearly needs to buck his ideas up,
How many other fit players are playing for the 21 s? Guy has not been injured normally players use that to return from injury,
Why is jones saying something that should remain private? It's clearly been said to him in private,
His weight was a issue, guy is meant to be a professional footballer, his lack of discipline over his weight is clearly the same poor attitude in training!
It's the same with guys who work for me, turn up with a hangover and you get sent home..
Why would jones make this public, and what do you think has been said in private? Probably not the same!
Arnie check his photos on wiki, your see a marked difference over last few years, that may be genetic or backed by the fact he is not doing enough .. I would think its lack of desire, as for excuses, genetics heavy boned blah blah eat KFC and drink beer and your get fat!
He was over weight when we signed him, his BMI should have been a warning during his medical.
Guy needs to step up or ask to leave .
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Arnie , his lifestyle and desire will determine his career , Ryan Giggs is the example . As for a few pounds lol the club would love it to be that! Here is the question Arnie !,, others has named it.. Why has kemy been 1) named as not doing enough on the training ground ? 2) why has he been punished and stuck in the developement side? Trouble with your arguments old bean is your more determined to prove me wrong than look at the story on its merits. Last point is this, How is it a 27 year old is struggling with stamina and fitness issues ? And part of the answer is his weight... More to do with lifestyle choices than anything else. My parting point is I am 52 years old, if I trained 4 days a week for 3 months I could run a marathon with ease, I would lose about 14lb in that time, what has kemy been doing with all his experience and the know how of fitness coaches at this club in 7 months? The guy is not interested, I imagine he will have his contract paid off and shown the door in the summer .[/p][/quote]AS far as I see it, kemy is in the development squad for the same reason as CMS and Hoskins - to get some match fitness. I'm not sure why you think it is punishment - he's not match-fit enough for the first team yet needs minutes on the pitch. How else is he going to get them? Do you KNOW how much overweight Kemy is? Have you seen him recently? He was, by his own admission, carrying a few pounds he didn't need, but (and I say it for the third time) there is nothing in this story to suggest it is still a problem. And you have fallen into the classic trap of thinking that because someone has the ability to be a top flight footballer they must also have the inherent fitness and stamina. They can all be improved, but if you don't have the genetic basics you will always struggle. It's just possible that (weight as a non-issue) he is as fit as it is possible for HIM to be. I'm not saying that is the case, but you cannot have every player with the same intrinsic fitness. It is arrogance on your part to state as fact that it is his lifestyle that is the problem. My parting shot is this - I am nearly 42 and if I trained 4 days a week for 3 months and tried to run a marathon, I would collapse. I would be hospitalized and asked what the flipping hell I thought I was doing. We are all different, including Kemy. And that's not to say he doesn't need to buck his ideas up. The fact is I don't know. And neither do you. Surely we can all agree that a fit and ready Kemy is a boon to the first team?[/p][/quote]The guy has been here 7 months, he clearly needs to buck his ideas up, How many other fit players are playing for the 21 s? Guy has not been injured normally players use that to return from injury, Why is jones saying something that should remain private? It's clearly been said to him in private, His weight was a issue, guy is meant to be a professional footballer, his lack of discipline over his weight is clearly the same poor attitude in training! It's the same with guys who work for me, turn up with a hangover and you get sent home.. Why would jones make this public, and what do you think has been said in private? Probably not the same![/p][/quote]Arnie check his photos on wiki, your see a marked difference over last few years, that may be genetic or backed by the fact he is not doing enough .. I would think its lack of desire, as for excuses, genetics heavy boned blah blah eat KFC and drink beer and your get fat! He was over weight when we signed him, his BMI should have been a warning during his medical. Guy needs to step up or ask to leave . mark by the sea
  • Score: 6

6:21pm Tue 4 Mar 14

wiseman of hove says...

I've noted Nathan Jones' comments, which I find singularly unimpressive.
Could we have Oscar' view for a change?
I've noted Nathan Jones' comments, which I find singularly unimpressive. Could we have Oscar' view for a change? wiseman of hove
  • Score: 1

6:23pm Tue 4 Mar 14

AlanDuffy says...

In 10 years as a pro has scored 8 goals, been at 8 clubs, and racked up 39 speeding points.........he's been unfit since he joined the club and reading between the lines, hasn't done much to remedy that. Not impressed.
In 10 years as a pro has scored 8 goals, been at 8 clubs, and racked up 39 speeding points.........he's been unfit since he joined the club and reading between the lines, hasn't done much to remedy that. Not impressed. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 10

6:36pm Tue 4 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

championshipgull wrote:
Couple of tweet from Kemy I thought could be of interest


kemy agustien ‏@KemyAgustien Jan 14
Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it.

kemy agustien ‏@KemyAgustien Feb 25
All those that judge without knowing me and got the biggest talk behind a screen.

Nothing about Seagulls following the trawlers, Yet though
But it's not about, 'knowing,' him is it? The talk is not whether he is a nice or bad person, the talk is about him not being ready for match time, and that is his personal responsibility. I would settle for him being the biggest dirt bag in existence if he scored a few goals, set up some for others and worked his socks off for the club. Fans don't have to like him off the field but they want to admire him when he is on the field. If he has a reason for not being ready to play then let him speak, Jones has.
[quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: Couple of tweet from Kemy I thought could be of interest kemy agustien ‏@KemyAgustien Jan 14 Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. kemy agustien ‏@KemyAgustien Feb 25 All those that judge without knowing me and got the biggest talk behind a screen. Nothing about Seagulls following the trawlers, Yet though[/p][/quote]But it's not about, 'knowing,' him is it? The talk is not whether he is a nice or bad person, the talk is about him not being ready for match time, and that is his personal responsibility. I would settle for him being the biggest dirt bag in existence if he scored a few goals, set up some for others and worked his socks off for the club. Fans don't have to like him off the field but they want to admire him when he is on the field. If he has a reason for not being ready to play then let him speak, Jones has. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

6:42pm Tue 4 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
In 10 years as a pro has scored 8 goals, been at 8 clubs, and racked up 39 speeding points.........he's been unfit since he joined the club and reading between the lines, hasn't done much to remedy that. Not impressed.
With that record why give him a two year deal? Did we not lose Barnes and Conway because of contract length offered?
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: In 10 years as a pro has scored 8 goals, been at 8 clubs, and racked up 39 speeding points.........he's been unfit since he joined the club and reading between the lines, hasn't done much to remedy that. Not impressed.[/p][/quote]With that record why give him a two year deal? Did we not lose Barnes and Conway because of contract length offered? mark by the sea
  • Score: 6

7:41pm Tue 4 Mar 14

gordongull says...

It is difficult to give Kemy the benefit of the doubt when the Club clearly isn't doing so.
We can speculate that there could be underlying health factors, but if that was the case, surely someone from the medical team would have told Nathan?
The message is that Kemy has allowed himself to get out of shape, and is now being encouraged to put in the necessary effort to reverse that.
He can't be physically forced to become match fit, so everything depends on his mind-set.
Over the next few weeks we will find out how serious Kemy is about his responsibilities as a professional footballer.
It is difficult to give Kemy the benefit of the doubt when the Club clearly isn't doing so. We can speculate that there could be underlying health factors, but if that was the case, surely someone from the medical team would have told Nathan? The message is that Kemy has allowed himself to get out of shape, and is now being encouraged to put in the necessary effort to reverse that. He can't be physically forced to become match fit, so everything depends on his mind-set. Over the next few weeks we will find out how serious Kemy is about his responsibilities as a professional footballer. gordongull
  • Score: 3

8:31pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Alfie T says...

mark by the sea wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
In 10 years as a pro has scored 8 goals, been at 8 clubs, and racked up 39 speeding points.........he's been unfit since he joined the club and reading between the lines, hasn't done much to remedy that. Not impressed.
With that record why give him a two year deal? Did we not lose Barnes and Conway because of contract length offered?
Guess you would know better than most on here why Barnes and Conway went elsewhere, Barnes I agree with you, didn't like the clubs offer and chose to move. Conway,not so sure, my guess is Blackburn made him an offer he couldn't refuse and we couldn't match.
With Agustein, every football club makes mistakes with players for one reason or another, sometimes it's a case of just not fitting in, for sure he's a talent but my gut feeling (sorry Kemy) says he's one that won't make it with us.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: In 10 years as a pro has scored 8 goals, been at 8 clubs, and racked up 39 speeding points.........he's been unfit since he joined the club and reading between the lines, hasn't done much to remedy that. Not impressed.[/p][/quote]With that record why give him a two year deal? Did we not lose Barnes and Conway because of contract length offered?[/p][/quote]Guess you would know better than most on here why Barnes and Conway went elsewhere, Barnes I agree with you, didn't like the clubs offer and chose to move. Conway,not so sure, my guess is Blackburn made him an offer he couldn't refuse and we couldn't match. With Agustein, every football club makes mistakes with players for one reason or another, sometimes it's a case of just not fitting in, for sure he's a talent but my gut feeling (sorry Kemy) says he's one that won't make it with us. Alfie T
  • Score: 2

8:54pm Tue 4 Mar 14

SecondReserve says...

Agustien, a player with recent Premiership experience, has been here 6 months and the management have suddenly realised he's not been contributing enough / anything. What? Most of us realised that at least 4 months ago. Why he's not contributed anything significant so far is a different matter of course.
Agustien, a player with recent Premiership experience, has been here 6 months and the management have suddenly realised he's not been contributing enough / anything. What? Most of us realised that at least 4 months ago. Why he's not contributed anything significant so far is a different matter of course. SecondReserve
  • Score: 1

9:11pm Tue 4 Mar 14

gordongull says...

Alfie T wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
In 10 years as a pro has scored 8 goals, been at 8 clubs, and racked up 39 speeding points.........he's been unfit since he joined the club and reading between the lines, hasn't done much to remedy that. Not impressed.
With that record why give him a two year deal? Did we not lose Barnes and Conway because of contract length offered?
Guess you would know better than most on here why Barnes and Conway went elsewhere, Barnes I agree with you, didn't like the clubs offer and chose to move. Conway,not so sure, my guess is Blackburn made him an offer he couldn't refuse and we couldn't match.
With Agustein, every football club makes mistakes with players for one reason or another, sometimes it's a case of just not fitting in, for sure he's a talent but my gut feeling (sorry Kemy) says he's one that won't make it with us.
Some mistakes are avoidable.
A quick look on Wikipedia would have saved the Club a few million over the last 3 seasons. (Okay, some unforgettable moments from Vicente, but he didn't get us promoted).
I believe Barnes moved because a large section of the fans didn't like or rate him. Leeds and Burnley were fighting it out for his signiature until GFH blocked the Leeds move.
Good Championship player.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: In 10 years as a pro has scored 8 goals, been at 8 clubs, and racked up 39 speeding points.........he's been unfit since he joined the club and reading between the lines, hasn't done much to remedy that. Not impressed.[/p][/quote]With that record why give him a two year deal? Did we not lose Barnes and Conway because of contract length offered?[/p][/quote]Guess you would know better than most on here why Barnes and Conway went elsewhere, Barnes I agree with you, didn't like the clubs offer and chose to move. Conway,not so sure, my guess is Blackburn made him an offer he couldn't refuse and we couldn't match. With Agustein, every football club makes mistakes with players for one reason or another, sometimes it's a case of just not fitting in, for sure he's a talent but my gut feeling (sorry Kemy) says he's one that won't make it with us.[/p][/quote]Some mistakes are avoidable. A quick look on Wikipedia would have saved the Club a few million over the last 3 seasons. (Okay, some unforgettable moments from Vicente, but he didn't get us promoted). I believe Barnes moved because a large section of the fans didn't like or rate him. Leeds and Burnley were fighting it out for his signiature until GFH blocked the Leeds move. Good Championship player. gordongull
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9:28pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Alfie T says...

gordongull wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
In 10 years as a pro has scored 8 goals, been at 8 clubs, and racked up 39 speeding points.........he's been unfit since he joined the club and reading between the lines, hasn't done much to remedy that. Not impressed.
With that record why give him a two year deal? Did we not lose Barnes and Conway because of contract length offered?
Guess you would know better than most on here why Barnes and Conway went elsewhere, Barnes I agree with you, didn't like the clubs offer and chose to move. Conway,not so sure, my guess is Blackburn made him an offer he couldn't refuse and we couldn't match.
With Agustein, every football club makes mistakes with players for one reason or another, sometimes it's a case of just not fitting in, for sure he's a talent but my gut feeling (sorry Kemy) says he's one that won't make it with us.
Some mistakes are avoidable.
A quick look on Wikipedia would have saved the Club a few million over the last 3 seasons. (Okay, some unforgettable moments from Vicente, but he didn't get us promoted).
I believe Barnes moved because a large section of the fans didn't like or rate him. Leeds and Burnley were fighting it out for his signiature until GFH blocked the Leeds move.
Good Championship player.
No chance,Barnes moved for contract length and money,any player worth his salt wouldn't care if some of the fans didn't rate or like him. I believe Barnes wanted to stay, how could anyone prefer Burnley to Brighton in terms of Geography,careers are short and money talks,simple as.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: In 10 years as a pro has scored 8 goals, been at 8 clubs, and racked up 39 speeding points.........he's been unfit since he joined the club and reading between the lines, hasn't done much to remedy that. Not impressed.[/p][/quote]With that record why give him a two year deal? Did we not lose Barnes and Conway because of contract length offered?[/p][/quote]Guess you would know better than most on here why Barnes and Conway went elsewhere, Barnes I agree with you, didn't like the clubs offer and chose to move. Conway,not so sure, my guess is Blackburn made him an offer he couldn't refuse and we couldn't match. With Agustein, every football club makes mistakes with players for one reason or another, sometimes it's a case of just not fitting in, for sure he's a talent but my gut feeling (sorry Kemy) says he's one that won't make it with us.[/p][/quote]Some mistakes are avoidable. A quick look on Wikipedia would have saved the Club a few million over the last 3 seasons. (Okay, some unforgettable moments from Vicente, but he didn't get us promoted). I believe Barnes moved because a large section of the fans didn't like or rate him. Leeds and Burnley were fighting it out for his signiature until GFH blocked the Leeds move. Good Championship player.[/p][/quote]No chance,Barnes moved for contract length and money,any player worth his salt wouldn't care if some of the fans didn't rate or like him. I believe Barnes wanted to stay, how could anyone prefer Burnley to Brighton in terms of Geography,careers are short and money talks,simple as. Alfie T
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