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Albion boss confident of home backing

The Argus: Oscar Garcia Oscar Garcia

Albion head coach Oscar Garcia is confident his players will be backed to the hilt by the Amex crowd.

Four of the nine matches the play-off chasing Seagulls have left are at home, beginning with Middlesbrough tomorrow.

Last Saturday's visit of Ipswich attracted a season's best attendance of over 29,000 spectators, many of whom left when Albion went 2-0 down with ten minutes remaining.

Oscar said: "At the beginning of the season everyone would have been happy with our current situation, with all the things that have happened.

"As always I am sure the supporters will support us, will know what the team needs. They know the players will give everything until the end of the season."

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2:38pm Fri 28 Mar 14

elljam says...

What happened in the summer does not excuse some of the turgid football seen for the majority of the season.
Give the crowd something to get excited about & the backing will be there. Alternatively continue with the safety first fare that's been dish of the day for many matches & there may as well be 2,000 fans because the silence will be deafening.
What happened in the summer does not excuse some of the turgid football seen for the majority of the season. Give the crowd something to get excited about & the backing will be there. Alternatively continue with the safety first fare that's been dish of the day for many matches & there may as well be 2,000 fans because the silence will be deafening. elljam
  • Score: -8

2:44pm Fri 28 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

elljam wrote:
What happened in the summer does not excuse some of the turgid football seen for the majority of the season.
Give the crowd something to get excited about & the backing will be there. Alternatively continue with the safety first fare that's been dish of the day for many matches & there may as well be 2,000 fans because the silence will be deafening.
so you suggest what should be done by Oscar to give the crowd something to get excited about? You have made your comment, many will agree with you so now tell us what changes need to be made, in your opinion, and how.
[quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: What happened in the summer does not excuse some of the turgid football seen for the majority of the season. Give the crowd something to get excited about & the backing will be there. Alternatively continue with the safety first fare that's been dish of the day for many matches & there may as well be 2,000 fans because the silence will be deafening.[/p][/quote]so you suggest what should be done by Oscar to give the crowd something to get excited about? You have made your comment, many will agree with you so now tell us what changes need to be made, in your opinion, and how. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -8

2:50pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Chi Gull says...

It's not been as exciting as last season, but it hasn't been turgid either. Most games have given OK entertainment and there have been a few outstanding games and performances. I don't recall many games where the crowd has been restless or not supporting the team. It's just been one of those seasons where injuries and illness have meant OG has never had a settled squad. We are still close to the play off positions so of course true fans will get behind the team. It's still a million times better than 5 years ago !!!
It's not been as exciting as last season, but it hasn't been turgid either. Most games have given OK entertainment and there have been a few outstanding games and performances. I don't recall many games where the crowd has been restless or not supporting the team. It's just been one of those seasons where injuries and illness have meant OG has never had a settled squad. We are still close to the play off positions so of course true fans will get behind the team. It's still a million times better than 5 years ago !!! Chi Gull
  • Score: 22

3:07pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Tommy11 says...

Chi Gull wrote:
It's not been as exciting as last season, but it hasn't been turgid either. Most games have given OK entertainment and there have been a few outstanding games and performances. I don't recall many games where the crowd has been restless or not supporting the team. It's just been one of those seasons where injuries and illness have meant OG has never had a settled squad. We are still close to the play off positions so of course true fans will get behind the team. It's still a million times better than 5 years ago !!!
Totally disagree. 5 years ago we were trying to avoid relegation with Slade as manager – today is a completely different kettle of fish. We have a great stadium, fans backing us ( a lot new) and with aspirations of the PL. Yes its different - but that does not mean we should be happy with the current state of play. We have set a target – and were not achieving it. Us ‘True fans’ are allowed to comment on this. Being a true fan does not mean you have to agree with everything the club says and does – it does not work like that. I’m a true fan – do you want me to get behind Lopez when he ducks a tackle? Is that what you’re saying?

Nonsense. People who talk like this are NOT ‘ true fans’. Your merchandising wearing wannabes.
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: It's not been as exciting as last season, but it hasn't been turgid either. Most games have given OK entertainment and there have been a few outstanding games and performances. I don't recall many games where the crowd has been restless or not supporting the team. It's just been one of those seasons where injuries and illness have meant OG has never had a settled squad. We are still close to the play off positions so of course true fans will get behind the team. It's still a million times better than 5 years ago !!![/p][/quote]Totally disagree. 5 years ago we were trying to avoid relegation with Slade as manager – today is a completely different kettle of fish. We have a great stadium, fans backing us ( a lot new) and with aspirations of the PL. Yes its different - but that does not mean we should be happy with the current state of play. We have set a target – and were not achieving it. Us ‘True fans’ are allowed to comment on this. Being a true fan does not mean you have to agree with everything the club says and does – it does not work like that. I’m a true fan – do you want me to get behind Lopez when he ducks a tackle? Is that what you’re saying? Nonsense. People who talk like this are NOT ‘ true fans’. Your merchandising wearing wannabes. Tommy11
  • Score: 3

3:17pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Neville says...

Hi Vegas,
I will tell you what is needed to get the crowd to create an atmosphere.
Firstly OG to pick an attacking formation to include 2 wingers with Lingard closely supporting Ulloa. You can often hear the groans from the crowd when the teams are announced,last week being a prime example.
Hit the attack button early and try and get an early goal,rather than play pass ball in our own half,especially when 0-0. As I keep saying possession is great if you are winning the game but invariably we go a goal down and then have to chase the game,we know Lua Lua will be brought on at 60 mins and then followed by March, even perhaps Dunk for 2 mins like the last match.
Go for the jugular from the start and the fans will back the team.The reason the crowd are so quiet is because most of the Brighton action or lack of is in our own half,the crowd come alive when we have the impetus of attack,so just for once OG go for it,forget the patient build up which you have mentioned again this week,go hell for leather and see what happens.
The formation has not worked all season and this is the last chance saloon to try and get some goals.Get players to take responsibility and shoot when given the chance,not try and walk it in.Hit free kicks and corners with pace into the box,thats what excites the fans.
I wouldn't mind trying Calderon in the midfield for a change,worth a go perhaps.
Win,lose or draw what the fans won't forgive if we play our normal negative build up game if drawing or losing.
OG just go for it for once.
Hi Vegas, I will tell you what is needed to get the crowd to create an atmosphere. Firstly OG to pick an attacking formation to include 2 wingers with Lingard closely supporting Ulloa. You can often hear the groans from the crowd when the teams are announced,last week being a prime example. Hit the attack button early and try and get an early goal,rather than play pass ball in our own half,especially when 0-0. As I keep saying possession is great if you are winning the game but invariably we go a goal down and then have to chase the game,we know Lua Lua will be brought on at 60 mins and then followed by March, even perhaps Dunk for 2 mins like the last match. Go for the jugular from the start and the fans will back the team.The reason the crowd are so quiet is because most of the Brighton action or lack of is in our own half,the crowd come alive when we have the impetus of attack,so just for once OG go for it,forget the patient build up which you have mentioned again this week,go hell for leather and see what happens. The formation has not worked all season and this is the last chance saloon to try and get some goals.Get players to take responsibility and shoot when given the chance,not try and walk it in.Hit free kicks and corners with pace into the box,thats what excites the fans. I wouldn't mind trying Calderon in the midfield for a change,worth a go perhaps. Win,lose or draw what the fans won't forgive if we play our normal negative build up game if drawing or losing. OG just go for it for once. Neville
  • Score: 19

4:04pm Fri 28 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

Neville wrote:
Hi Vegas,
I will tell you what is needed to get the crowd to create an atmosphere.
Firstly OG to pick an attacking formation to include 2 wingers with Lingard closely supporting Ulloa. You can often hear the groans from the crowd when the teams are announced,last week being a prime example.
Hit the attack button early and try and get an early goal,rather than play pass ball in our own half,especially when 0-0. As I keep saying possession is great if you are winning the game but invariably we go a goal down and then have to chase the game,we know Lua Lua will be brought on at 60 mins and then followed by March, even perhaps Dunk for 2 mins like the last match.
Go for the jugular from the start and the fans will back the team.The reason the crowd are so quiet is because most of the Brighton action or lack of is in our own half,the crowd come alive when we have the impetus of attack,so just for once OG go for it,forget the patient build up which you have mentioned again this week,go hell for leather and see what happens.
The formation has not worked all season and this is the last chance saloon to try and get some goals.Get players to take responsibility and shoot when given the chance,not try and walk it in.Hit free kicks and corners with pace into the box,thats what excites the fans.
I wouldn't mind trying Calderon in the midfield for a change,worth a go perhaps.
Win,lose or draw what the fans won't forgive if we play our normal negative build up game if drawing or losing.
OG just go for it for once.
So what you are saying is, drop Andrews and bring in either Kaz or Solly. Shoot from anywhere as soon as a chance presents it's self, and get a head onto a corner or free kick, yes?
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Hi Vegas, I will tell you what is needed to get the crowd to create an atmosphere. Firstly OG to pick an attacking formation to include 2 wingers with Lingard closely supporting Ulloa. You can often hear the groans from the crowd when the teams are announced,last week being a prime example. Hit the attack button early and try and get an early goal,rather than play pass ball in our own half,especially when 0-0. As I keep saying possession is great if you are winning the game but invariably we go a goal down and then have to chase the game,we know Lua Lua will be brought on at 60 mins and then followed by March, even perhaps Dunk for 2 mins like the last match. Go for the jugular from the start and the fans will back the team.The reason the crowd are so quiet is because most of the Brighton action or lack of is in our own half,the crowd come alive when we have the impetus of attack,so just for once OG go for it,forget the patient build up which you have mentioned again this week,go hell for leather and see what happens. The formation has not worked all season and this is the last chance saloon to try and get some goals.Get players to take responsibility and shoot when given the chance,not try and walk it in.Hit free kicks and corners with pace into the box,thats what excites the fans. I wouldn't mind trying Calderon in the midfield for a change,worth a go perhaps. Win,lose or draw what the fans won't forgive if we play our normal negative build up game if drawing or losing. OG just go for it for once.[/p][/quote]So what you are saying is, drop Andrews and bring in either Kaz or Solly. Shoot from anywhere as soon as a chance presents it's self, and get a head onto a corner or free kick, yes? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

4:27pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Neville says...

Hi again Vegas,
Thought made very clear what would like and my selection,assuming all fit would be although pretty certain OG won't play 2 up front.
TK
BS GG MU SW
KLL RI DS WB
JL LU.

Subs CA,IC,KA,JFC,SM,LD,D
L

2 out and out wingers taking on defenders and Ulloa supported close by Lingard. Option to bring on SM,DL if needed.
tHOUGHT
Hi again Vegas, Thought made very clear what would like and my selection,assuming all fit would be although pretty certain OG won't play 2 up front. TK BS GG MU SW KLL RI DS WB JL LU. Subs CA,IC,KA,JFC,SM,LD,D L 2 out and out wingers taking on defenders and Ulloa supported close by Lingard. Option to bring on SM,DL if needed. tHOUGHT Neville
  • Score: 6

4:28pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Neville says...

Hi again Vegas,
Thought made very clear what would like and my selection,assuming all fit would be although pretty certain OG won't play 2 up front.
TK
BS GG MU SW
KLL RI DS WB
JL LU.

Subs CA,IC,KA,JFC,SM,LD,D
L

2 out and out wingers taking on defenders and Ulloa supported close by Lingard. Option to bring on SM,DL if needed.
tHOUGHT
Hi again Vegas, Thought made very clear what would like and my selection,assuming all fit would be although pretty certain OG won't play 2 up front. TK BS GG MU SW KLL RI DS WB JL LU. Subs CA,IC,KA,JFC,SM,LD,D L 2 out and out wingers taking on defenders and Ulloa supported close by Lingard. Option to bring on SM,DL if needed. tHOUGHT Neville
  • Score: 0

4:42pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Never_Wrong says...

Neville wrote:
Hi again Vegas,
Thought made very clear what would like and my selection,assuming all fit would be although pretty certain OG won't play 2 up front.
TK
BS GG MU SW
KLL RI DS WB
JL LU.

Subs CA,IC,KA,JFC,SM,LD,D

L

2 out and out wingers taking on defenders and Ulloa supported close by Lingard. Option to bring on SM,DL if needed.
tHOUGHT
You've got the wingers on the wrong wings.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Hi again Vegas, Thought made very clear what would like and my selection,assuming all fit would be although pretty certain OG won't play 2 up front. TK BS GG MU SW KLL RI DS WB JL LU. Subs CA,IC,KA,JFC,SM,LD,D L 2 out and out wingers taking on defenders and Ulloa supported close by Lingard. Option to bring on SM,DL if needed. tHOUGHT[/p][/quote]You've got the wingers on the wrong wings. Never_Wrong
  • Score: 2

4:48pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Neville says...

Attn Never Wrong
Confuse the opposition
Attn Never Wrong Confuse the opposition Neville
  • Score: 8

4:53pm Fri 28 Mar 14

To baldly go says...

Neville wrote:
Hi Vegas,
I will tell you what is needed to get the crowd to create an atmosphere.
Firstly OG to pick an attacking formation to include 2 wingers with Lingard closely supporting Ulloa. You can often hear the groans from the crowd when the teams are announced,last week being a prime example.
Hit the attack button early and try and get an early goal,rather than play pass ball in our own half,especially when 0-0. As I keep saying possession is great if you are winning the game but invariably we go a goal down and then have to chase the game,we know Lua Lua will be brought on at 60 mins and then followed by March, even perhaps Dunk for 2 mins like the last match.
Go for the jugular from the start and the fans will back the team.The reason the crowd are so quiet is because most of the Brighton action or lack of is in our own half,the crowd come alive when we have the impetus of attack,so just for once OG go for it,forget the patient build up which you have mentioned again this week,go hell for leather and see what happens.
The formation has not worked all season and this is the last chance saloon to try and get some goals.Get players to take responsibility and shoot when given the chance,not try and walk it in.Hit free kicks and corners with pace into the box,thats what excites the fans.
I wouldn't mind trying Calderon in the midfield for a change,worth a go perhaps.
Win,lose or draw what the fans won't forgive if we play our normal negative build up game if drawing or losing.
OG just go for it for once.
Took the words right out of my mouth, start with width and go for it, LuaLua to start and if he tires swop him, he hasn't scored all season and is chomping at the bit for a start! Not sure on the Caldi angle but nothing's worked so far so give it a go, or play him at right back and put Bruno in there, he seems to be up front more than defending anyway. First blood is going to be important tomorrow, let's hope we draw it first! 3-0 Albion and LuaLua to score.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Hi Vegas, I will tell you what is needed to get the crowd to create an atmosphere. Firstly OG to pick an attacking formation to include 2 wingers with Lingard closely supporting Ulloa. You can often hear the groans from the crowd when the teams are announced,last week being a prime example. Hit the attack button early and try and get an early goal,rather than play pass ball in our own half,especially when 0-0. As I keep saying possession is great if you are winning the game but invariably we go a goal down and then have to chase the game,we know Lua Lua will be brought on at 60 mins and then followed by March, even perhaps Dunk for 2 mins like the last match. Go for the jugular from the start and the fans will back the team.The reason the crowd are so quiet is because most of the Brighton action or lack of is in our own half,the crowd come alive when we have the impetus of attack,so just for once OG go for it,forget the patient build up which you have mentioned again this week,go hell for leather and see what happens. The formation has not worked all season and this is the last chance saloon to try and get some goals.Get players to take responsibility and shoot when given the chance,not try and walk it in.Hit free kicks and corners with pace into the box,thats what excites the fans. I wouldn't mind trying Calderon in the midfield for a change,worth a go perhaps. Win,lose or draw what the fans won't forgive if we play our normal negative build up game if drawing or losing. OG just go for it for once.[/p][/quote]Took the words right out of my mouth, start with width and go for it, LuaLua to start and if he tires swop him, he hasn't scored all season and is chomping at the bit for a start! Not sure on the Caldi angle but nothing's worked so far so give it a go, or play him at right back and put Bruno in there, he seems to be up front more than defending anyway. First blood is going to be important tomorrow, let's hope we draw it first! 3-0 Albion and LuaLua to score. To baldly go
  • Score: 7

4:57pm Fri 28 Mar 14

elljam says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
elljam wrote:
What happened in the summer does not excuse some of the turgid football seen for the majority of the season.
Give the crowd something to get excited about & the backing will be there. Alternatively continue with the safety first fare that's been dish of the day for many matches & there may as well be 2,000 fans because the silence will be deafening.
so you suggest what should be done by Oscar to give the crowd something to get excited about? You have made your comment, many will agree with you so now tell us what changes need to be made, in your opinion, and how.
We were led to believe Oscar favoured a higher tempo pressing game. Nothing has changed on that score & if anything we play at an even slower tempo than last season. We also defend deeper than any other team in the Championship.
The difference under Poyet was that although the tempo was also often too slow we kept better possession of the ball. Plus if we were losing or drawing with time running out he was not afraid to have 6 attacking players on the pitch & you always felt we could get something from the game. Oscar merely swaps like for like, afraid to change his precious formation.
When watching the earlier matches in the season even though the results were not great it looked as though we were trying to win the ball back higher up the pitch & play at a higher tempo. However as the season has progressed when we lose possession we retreat deep into our half sucking our midfield back deeper & therefore when we do get the chance to get forward there is too much space between Ulloa & the midfield leaving him isolated. There seems no urgency to our play
It's not rocket science that we score so few goals & likewise don't concede many as it's seems clear that the midfield's main priority is to help the back four & only get forward sporadically. We create so few clear chances although Oscar often says otherwise (typical manager trying to paint a rosier picture).
If any fan says that we have been attractive to watch on a regular basis this season then I'm afraid they should get rid of their blue & white glasses & go to Specsavers.

The tempo is set by the back four in & out of possession. When the opponents have the ball the back four could be 10/15 yards higher up the pitch allowing our midfield to press the ball nearer the opponents goal & be closer to Ulloa. Greer's natural instinct is to retreat even if the ball is deep in the opposition half, so a quicker & more positive defender is needed ( Lewis Dunk). When the back four have the ball the first look should be forward & if nothing is on then sideways/backwards passes are ok if the defender is having no more than two touches, moving the ball quickly & therefore moving the opponents around.
I've also noticed that our wide players seem to be playing narrower in the last few weeks, presumably to get closer to Ulloa. This possibly suits Lingaard more than it does LuaLua & Buckley because they are at their most effective receiving the ball in wide areas, attacking their full-backs & getting in shots or crosses. They seem lost in central areas & don't see as much of the ball. I would rather one or two of the central midfield players try to get around Ulloa or in the box more as Crofts often did.
I appreciate this would be slightly higher risk football than at present but would get the fans behind the team much more creating a better atmosphere which the players could then feed off.
Until Orlandi gets fit I would like to see Lopez in the role JFC is playing as although he's had a poor season he is better in the middle than out wide plus he can spot a pass quicker than any of the current XI.

Injuries have obviously hampered things throughout the season(chiefly Orlandi, Ulloa & Crofts) but this does not totally excuse our lack of attacking intent for most of the season.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: What happened in the summer does not excuse some of the turgid football seen for the majority of the season. Give the crowd something to get excited about & the backing will be there. Alternatively continue with the safety first fare that's been dish of the day for many matches & there may as well be 2,000 fans because the silence will be deafening.[/p][/quote]so you suggest what should be done by Oscar to give the crowd something to get excited about? You have made your comment, many will agree with you so now tell us what changes need to be made, in your opinion, and how.[/p][/quote]We were led to believe Oscar favoured a higher tempo pressing game. Nothing has changed on that score & if anything we play at an even slower tempo than last season. We also defend deeper than any other team in the Championship. The difference under Poyet was that although the tempo was also often too slow we kept better possession of the ball. Plus if we were losing or drawing with time running out he was not afraid to have 6 attacking players on the pitch & you always felt we could get something from the game. Oscar merely swaps like for like, afraid to change his precious formation. When watching the earlier matches in the season even though the results were not great it looked as though we were trying to win the ball back higher up the pitch & play at a higher tempo. However as the season has progressed when we lose possession we retreat deep into our half sucking our midfield back deeper & therefore when we do get the chance to get forward there is too much space between Ulloa & the midfield leaving him isolated. There seems no urgency to our play It's not rocket science that we score so few goals & likewise don't concede many as it's seems clear that the midfield's main priority is to help the back four & only get forward sporadically. We create so few clear chances although Oscar often says otherwise (typical manager trying to paint a rosier picture). If any fan says that we have been attractive to watch on a regular basis this season then I'm afraid they should get rid of their blue & white glasses & go to Specsavers. The tempo is set by the back four in & out of possession. When the opponents have the ball the back four could be 10/15 yards higher up the pitch allowing our midfield to press the ball nearer the opponents goal & be closer to Ulloa. Greer's natural instinct is to retreat even if the ball is deep in the opposition half, so a quicker & more positive defender is needed ( Lewis Dunk). When the back four have the ball the first look should be forward & if nothing is on then sideways/backwards passes are ok if the defender is having no more than two touches, moving the ball quickly & therefore moving the opponents around. I've also noticed that our wide players seem to be playing narrower in the last few weeks, presumably to get closer to Ulloa. This possibly suits Lingaard more than it does LuaLua & Buckley because they are at their most effective receiving the ball in wide areas, attacking their full-backs & getting in shots or crosses. They seem lost in central areas & don't see as much of the ball. I would rather one or two of the central midfield players try to get around Ulloa or in the box more as Crofts often did. I appreciate this would be slightly higher risk football than at present but would get the fans behind the team much more creating a better atmosphere which the players could then feed off. Until Orlandi gets fit I would like to see Lopez in the role JFC is playing as although he's had a poor season he is better in the middle than out wide plus he can spot a pass quicker than any of the current XI. Injuries have obviously hampered things throughout the season(chiefly Orlandi, Ulloa & Crofts) but this does not totally excuse our lack of attacking intent for most of the season. elljam
  • Score: 24

5:04pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Neville says...

Elljam
Very good and well thought out post.
Elljam Very good and well thought out post. Neville
  • Score: 9

5:10pm Fri 28 Mar 14

To baldly go says...

elljam wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
elljam wrote:
What happened in the summer does not excuse some of the turgid football seen for the majority of the season.
Give the crowd something to get excited about & the backing will be there. Alternatively continue with the safety first fare that's been dish of the day for many matches & there may as well be 2,000 fans because the silence will be deafening.
so you suggest what should be done by Oscar to give the crowd something to get excited about? You have made your comment, many will agree with you so now tell us what changes need to be made, in your opinion, and how.
We were led to believe Oscar favoured a higher tempo pressing game. Nothing has changed on that score & if anything we play at an even slower tempo than last season. We also defend deeper than any other team in the Championship.
The difference under Poyet was that although the tempo was also often too slow we kept better possession of the ball. Plus if we were losing or drawing with time running out he was not afraid to have 6 attacking players on the pitch & you always felt we could get something from the game. Oscar merely swaps like for like, afraid to change his precious formation.
When watching the earlier matches in the season even though the results were not great it looked as though we were trying to win the ball back higher up the pitch & play at a higher tempo. However as the season has progressed when we lose possession we retreat deep into our half sucking our midfield back deeper & therefore when we do get the chance to get forward there is too much space between Ulloa & the midfield leaving him isolated. There seems no urgency to our play
It's not rocket science that we score so few goals & likewise don't concede many as it's seems clear that the midfield's main priority is to help the back four & only get forward sporadically. We create so few clear chances although Oscar often says otherwise (typical manager trying to paint a rosier picture).
If any fan says that we have been attractive to watch on a regular basis this season then I'm afraid they should get rid of their blue & white glasses & go to Specsavers.

The tempo is set by the back four in & out of possession. When the opponents have the ball the back four could be 10/15 yards higher up the pitch allowing our midfield to press the ball nearer the opponents goal & be closer to Ulloa. Greer's natural instinct is to retreat even if the ball is deep in the opposition half, so a quicker & more positive defender is needed ( Lewis Dunk). When the back four have the ball the first look should be forward & if nothing is on then sideways/backwards passes are ok if the defender is having no more than two touches, moving the ball quickly & therefore moving the opponents around.
I've also noticed that our wide players seem to be playing narrower in the last few weeks, presumably to get closer to Ulloa. This possibly suits Lingaard more than it does LuaLua & Buckley because they are at their most effective receiving the ball in wide areas, attacking their full-backs & getting in shots or crosses. They seem lost in central areas & don't see as much of the ball. I would rather one or two of the central midfield players try to get around Ulloa or in the box more as Crofts often did.
I appreciate this would be slightly higher risk football than at present but would get the fans behind the team much more creating a better atmosphere which the players could then feed off.
Until Orlandi gets fit I would like to see Lopez in the role JFC is playing as although he's had a poor season he is better in the middle than out wide plus he can spot a pass quicker than any of the current XI.

Injuries have obviously hampered things throughout the season(chiefly Orlandi, Ulloa & Crofts) but this does not totally excuse our lack of attacking intent for most of the season.
Vegas, I think that answers your question and just about sums up how most fans feel, excellant post.
[quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: What happened in the summer does not excuse some of the turgid football seen for the majority of the season. Give the crowd something to get excited about & the backing will be there. Alternatively continue with the safety first fare that's been dish of the day for many matches & there may as well be 2,000 fans because the silence will be deafening.[/p][/quote]so you suggest what should be done by Oscar to give the crowd something to get excited about? You have made your comment, many will agree with you so now tell us what changes need to be made, in your opinion, and how.[/p][/quote]We were led to believe Oscar favoured a higher tempo pressing game. Nothing has changed on that score & if anything we play at an even slower tempo than last season. We also defend deeper than any other team in the Championship. The difference under Poyet was that although the tempo was also often too slow we kept better possession of the ball. Plus if we were losing or drawing with time running out he was not afraid to have 6 attacking players on the pitch & you always felt we could get something from the game. Oscar merely swaps like for like, afraid to change his precious formation. When watching the earlier matches in the season even though the results were not great it looked as though we were trying to win the ball back higher up the pitch & play at a higher tempo. However as the season has progressed when we lose possession we retreat deep into our half sucking our midfield back deeper & therefore when we do get the chance to get forward there is too much space between Ulloa & the midfield leaving him isolated. There seems no urgency to our play It's not rocket science that we score so few goals & likewise don't concede many as it's seems clear that the midfield's main priority is to help the back four & only get forward sporadically. We create so few clear chances although Oscar often says otherwise (typical manager trying to paint a rosier picture). If any fan says that we have been attractive to watch on a regular basis this season then I'm afraid they should get rid of their blue & white glasses & go to Specsavers. The tempo is set by the back four in & out of possession. When the opponents have the ball the back four could be 10/15 yards higher up the pitch allowing our midfield to press the ball nearer the opponents goal & be closer to Ulloa. Greer's natural instinct is to retreat even if the ball is deep in the opposition half, so a quicker & more positive defender is needed ( Lewis Dunk). When the back four have the ball the first look should be forward & if nothing is on then sideways/backwards passes are ok if the defender is having no more than two touches, moving the ball quickly & therefore moving the opponents around. I've also noticed that our wide players seem to be playing narrower in the last few weeks, presumably to get closer to Ulloa. This possibly suits Lingaard more than it does LuaLua & Buckley because they are at their most effective receiving the ball in wide areas, attacking their full-backs & getting in shots or crosses. They seem lost in central areas & don't see as much of the ball. I would rather one or two of the central midfield players try to get around Ulloa or in the box more as Crofts often did. I appreciate this would be slightly higher risk football than at present but would get the fans behind the team much more creating a better atmosphere which the players could then feed off. Until Orlandi gets fit I would like to see Lopez in the role JFC is playing as although he's had a poor season he is better in the middle than out wide plus he can spot a pass quicker than any of the current XI. Injuries have obviously hampered things throughout the season(chiefly Orlandi, Ulloa & Crofts) but this does not totally excuse our lack of attacking intent for most of the season.[/p][/quote]Vegas, I think that answers your question and just about sums up how most fans feel, excellant post. To baldly go
  • Score: 15

5:13pm Fri 28 Mar 14

wiseman of hove says...

An interesting suggestion by Neville to include Calde in midfield. Not the worst suggestion I've seen, in view of some indifferent performances. Ince has gone off the boil, and both Andrews and Forster-Caskey have just been competent and nothing else. I do think we have reached a point where we simply do not have the luxury of excluding players with the commitment and spirit of Calde. I think his continuing omission is a mistake and I will be disappointed if he does not make the start. I will certainly be very anxious if Stephens is missing. Agree with Neville that the LuaLua and Solly substitutions have become a tad predictable with Solly particularly ineffective
Can't call this one until the team is announced!
An interesting suggestion by Neville to include Calde in midfield. Not the worst suggestion I've seen, in view of some indifferent performances. Ince has gone off the boil, and both Andrews and Forster-Caskey have just been competent and nothing else. I do think we have reached a point where we simply do not have the luxury of excluding players with the commitment and spirit of Calde. I think his continuing omission is a mistake and I will be disappointed if he does not make the start. I will certainly be very anxious if Stephens is missing. Agree with Neville that the LuaLua and Solly substitutions have become a tad predictable with Solly particularly ineffective Can't call this one until the team is announced! wiseman of hove
  • Score: 3

5:38pm Fri 28 Mar 14

dave from bexill says...

elljam wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
elljam wrote:
What happened in the summer does not excuse some of the turgid football seen for the majority of the season.
Give the crowd something to get excited about & the backing will be there. Alternatively continue with the safety first fare that's been dish of the day for many matches & there may as well be 2,000 fans because the silence will be deafening.
so you suggest what should be done by Oscar to give the crowd something to get excited about? You have made your comment, many will agree with you so now tell us what changes need to be made, in your opinion, and how.
We were led to believe Oscar favoured a higher tempo pressing game. Nothing has changed on that score & if anything we play at an even slower tempo than last season. We also defend deeper than any other team in the Championship.
The difference under Poyet was that although the tempo was also often too slow we kept better possession of the ball. Plus if we were losing or drawing with time running out he was not afraid to have 6 attacking players on the pitch & you always felt we could get something from the game. Oscar merely swaps like for like, afraid to change his precious formation.
When watching the earlier matches in the season even though the results were not great it looked as though we were trying to win the ball back higher up the pitch & play at a higher tempo. However as the season has progressed when we lose possession we retreat deep into our half sucking our midfield back deeper & therefore when we do get the chance to get forward there is too much space between Ulloa & the midfield leaving him isolated. There seems no urgency to our play
It's not rocket science that we score so few goals & likewise don't concede many as it's seems clear that the midfield's main priority is to help the back four & only get forward sporadically. We create so few clear chances although Oscar often says otherwise (typical manager trying to paint a rosier picture).
If any fan says that we have been attractive to watch on a regular basis this season then I'm afraid they should get rid of their blue & white glasses & go to Specsavers.

The tempo is set by the back four in & out of possession. When the opponents have the ball the back four could be 10/15 yards higher up the pitch allowing our midfield to press the ball nearer the opponents goal & be closer to Ulloa. Greer's natural instinct is to retreat even if the ball is deep in the opposition half, so a quicker & more positive defender is needed ( Lewis Dunk). When the back four have the ball the first look should be forward & if nothing is on then sideways/backwards passes are ok if the defender is having no more than two touches, moving the ball quickly & therefore moving the opponents around.
I've also noticed that our wide players seem to be playing narrower in the last few weeks, presumably to get closer to Ulloa. This possibly suits Lingaard more than it does LuaLua & Buckley because they are at their most effective receiving the ball in wide areas, attacking their full-backs & getting in shots or crosses. They seem lost in central areas & don't see as much of the ball. I would rather one or two of the central midfield players try to get around Ulloa or in the box more as Crofts often did.
I appreciate this would be slightly higher risk football than at present but would get the fans behind the team much more creating a better atmosphere which the players could then feed off.
Until Orlandi gets fit I would like to see Lopez in the role JFC is playing as although he's had a poor season he is better in the middle than out wide plus he can spot a pass quicker than any of the current XI.

Injuries have obviously hampered things throughout the season(chiefly Orlandi, Ulloa & Crofts) but this does not totally excuse our lack of attacking intent for most of the season.
Elljam, a most interesting and well thought out argument, most of which I for one would not disagree. I look forward to reading responses equally well articulated, but perhaps offering a different analysis.
[quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: What happened in the summer does not excuse some of the turgid football seen for the majority of the season. Give the crowd something to get excited about & the backing will be there. Alternatively continue with the safety first fare that's been dish of the day for many matches & there may as well be 2,000 fans because the silence will be deafening.[/p][/quote]so you suggest what should be done by Oscar to give the crowd something to get excited about? You have made your comment, many will agree with you so now tell us what changes need to be made, in your opinion, and how.[/p][/quote]We were led to believe Oscar favoured a higher tempo pressing game. Nothing has changed on that score & if anything we play at an even slower tempo than last season. We also defend deeper than any other team in the Championship. The difference under Poyet was that although the tempo was also often too slow we kept better possession of the ball. Plus if we were losing or drawing with time running out he was not afraid to have 6 attacking players on the pitch & you always felt we could get something from the game. Oscar merely swaps like for like, afraid to change his precious formation. When watching the earlier matches in the season even though the results were not great it looked as though we were trying to win the ball back higher up the pitch & play at a higher tempo. However as the season has progressed when we lose possession we retreat deep into our half sucking our midfield back deeper & therefore when we do get the chance to get forward there is too much space between Ulloa & the midfield leaving him isolated. There seems no urgency to our play It's not rocket science that we score so few goals & likewise don't concede many as it's seems clear that the midfield's main priority is to help the back four & only get forward sporadically. We create so few clear chances although Oscar often says otherwise (typical manager trying to paint a rosier picture). If any fan says that we have been attractive to watch on a regular basis this season then I'm afraid they should get rid of their blue & white glasses & go to Specsavers. The tempo is set by the back four in & out of possession. When the opponents have the ball the back four could be 10/15 yards higher up the pitch allowing our midfield to press the ball nearer the opponents goal & be closer to Ulloa. Greer's natural instinct is to retreat even if the ball is deep in the opposition half, so a quicker & more positive defender is needed ( Lewis Dunk). When the back four have the ball the first look should be forward & if nothing is on then sideways/backwards passes are ok if the defender is having no more than two touches, moving the ball quickly & therefore moving the opponents around. I've also noticed that our wide players seem to be playing narrower in the last few weeks, presumably to get closer to Ulloa. This possibly suits Lingaard more than it does LuaLua & Buckley because they are at their most effective receiving the ball in wide areas, attacking their full-backs & getting in shots or crosses. They seem lost in central areas & don't see as much of the ball. I would rather one or two of the central midfield players try to get around Ulloa or in the box more as Crofts often did. I appreciate this would be slightly higher risk football than at present but would get the fans behind the team much more creating a better atmosphere which the players could then feed off. Until Orlandi gets fit I would like to see Lopez in the role JFC is playing as although he's had a poor season he is better in the middle than out wide plus he can spot a pass quicker than any of the current XI. Injuries have obviously hampered things throughout the season(chiefly Orlandi, Ulloa & Crofts) but this does not totally excuse our lack of attacking intent for most of the season.[/p][/quote]Elljam, a most interesting and well thought out argument, most of which I for one would not disagree. I look forward to reading responses equally well articulated, but perhaps offering a different analysis. dave from bexill
  • Score: 5

5:39pm Fri 28 Mar 14

JohnnyCrumplinFootballGenius says...

Tommy11 wrote:
Chi Gull wrote:
It's not been as exciting as last season, but it hasn't been turgid either. Most games have given OK entertainment and there have been a few outstanding games and performances. I don't recall many games where the crowd has been restless or not supporting the team. It's just been one of those seasons where injuries and illness have meant OG has never had a settled squad. We are still close to the play off positions so of course true fans will get behind the team. It's still a million times better than 5 years ago !!!
Totally disagree. 5 years ago we were trying to avoid relegation with Slade as manager – today is a completely different kettle of fish. We have a great stadium, fans backing us ( a lot new) and with aspirations of the PL. Yes its different - but that does not mean we should be happy with the current state of play. We have set a target – and were not achieving it. Us ‘True fans’ are allowed to comment on this. Being a true fan does not mean you have to agree with everything the club says and does – it does not work like that. I’m a true fan – do you want me to get behind Lopez when he ducks a tackle? Is that what you’re saying?

Nonsense. People who talk like this are NOT ‘ true fans’. Your merchandising wearing wannabes.
Agree Tommy11
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: It's not been as exciting as last season, but it hasn't been turgid either. Most games have given OK entertainment and there have been a few outstanding games and performances. I don't recall many games where the crowd has been restless or not supporting the team. It's just been one of those seasons where injuries and illness have meant OG has never had a settled squad. We are still close to the play off positions so of course true fans will get behind the team. It's still a million times better than 5 years ago !!![/p][/quote]Totally disagree. 5 years ago we were trying to avoid relegation with Slade as manager – today is a completely different kettle of fish. We have a great stadium, fans backing us ( a lot new) and with aspirations of the PL. Yes its different - but that does not mean we should be happy with the current state of play. We have set a target – and were not achieving it. Us ‘True fans’ are allowed to comment on this. Being a true fan does not mean you have to agree with everything the club says and does – it does not work like that. I’m a true fan – do you want me to get behind Lopez when he ducks a tackle? Is that what you’re saying? Nonsense. People who talk like this are NOT ‘ true fans’. Your merchandising wearing wannabes.[/p][/quote]Agree Tommy11 JohnnyCrumplinFootballGenius
  • Score: 2

6:13pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Boston Boy says...

To baldly go wrote:
elljam wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
elljam wrote:
What happened in the summer does not excuse some of the turgid football seen for the majority of the season.
Give the crowd something to get excited about & the backing will be there. Alternatively continue with the safety first fare that's been dish of the day for many matches & there may as well be 2,000 fans because the silence will be deafening.
so you suggest what should be done by Oscar to give the crowd something to get excited about? You have made your comment, many will agree with you so now tell us what changes need to be made, in your opinion, and how.
We were led to believe Oscar favoured a higher tempo pressing game. Nothing has changed on that score & if anything we play at an even slower tempo than last season. We also defend deeper than any other team in the Championship.
The difference under Poyet was that although the tempo was also often too slow we kept better possession of the ball. Plus if we were losing or drawing with time running out he was not afraid to have 6 attacking players on the pitch & you always felt we could get something from the game. Oscar merely swaps like for like, afraid to change his precious formation.
When watching the earlier matches in the season even though the results were not great it looked as though we were trying to win the ball back higher up the pitch & play at a higher tempo. However as the season has progressed when we lose possession we retreat deep into our half sucking our midfield back deeper & therefore when we do get the chance to get forward there is too much space between Ulloa & the midfield leaving him isolated. There seems no urgency to our play
It's not rocket science that we score so few goals & likewise don't concede many as it's seems clear that the midfield's main priority is to help the back four & only get forward sporadically. We create so few clear chances although Oscar often says otherwise (typical manager trying to paint a rosier picture).
If any fan says that we have been attractive to watch on a regular basis this season then I'm afraid they should get rid of their blue & white glasses & go to Specsavers.

The tempo is set by the back four in & out of possession. When the opponents have the ball the back four could be 10/15 yards higher up the pitch allowing our midfield to press the ball nearer the opponents goal & be closer to Ulloa. Greer's natural instinct is to retreat even if the ball is deep in the opposition half, so a quicker & more positive defender is needed ( Lewis Dunk). When the back four have the ball the first look should be forward & if nothing is on then sideways/backwards passes are ok if the defender is having no more than two touches, moving the ball quickly & therefore moving the opponents around.
I've also noticed that our wide players seem to be playing narrower in the last few weeks, presumably to get closer to Ulloa. This possibly suits Lingaard more than it does LuaLua & Buckley because they are at their most effective receiving the ball in wide areas, attacking their full-backs & getting in shots or crosses. They seem lost in central areas & don't see as much of the ball. I would rather one or two of the central midfield players try to get around Ulloa or in the box more as Crofts often did.
I appreciate this would be slightly higher risk football than at present but would get the fans behind the team much more creating a better atmosphere which the players could then feed off.
Until Orlandi gets fit I would like to see Lopez in the role JFC is playing as although he's had a poor season he is better in the middle than out wide plus he can spot a pass quicker than any of the current XI.

Injuries have obviously hampered things throughout the season(chiefly Orlandi, Ulloa & Crofts) but this does not totally excuse our lack of attacking intent for most of the season.
Vegas, I think that answers your question and just about sums up how most fans feel, excellant post.
My goodness. I read this nodding my head. Those of us that go to the games can mostly agree with all of the comments.
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: What happened in the summer does not excuse some of the turgid football seen for the majority of the season. Give the crowd something to get excited about & the backing will be there. Alternatively continue with the safety first fare that's been dish of the day for many matches & there may as well be 2,000 fans because the silence will be deafening.[/p][/quote]so you suggest what should be done by Oscar to give the crowd something to get excited about? You have made your comment, many will agree with you so now tell us what changes need to be made, in your opinion, and how.[/p][/quote]We were led to believe Oscar favoured a higher tempo pressing game. Nothing has changed on that score & if anything we play at an even slower tempo than last season. We also defend deeper than any other team in the Championship. The difference under Poyet was that although the tempo was also often too slow we kept better possession of the ball. Plus if we were losing or drawing with time running out he was not afraid to have 6 attacking players on the pitch & you always felt we could get something from the game. Oscar merely swaps like for like, afraid to change his precious formation. When watching the earlier matches in the season even though the results were not great it looked as though we were trying to win the ball back higher up the pitch & play at a higher tempo. However as the season has progressed when we lose possession we retreat deep into our half sucking our midfield back deeper & therefore when we do get the chance to get forward there is too much space between Ulloa & the midfield leaving him isolated. There seems no urgency to our play It's not rocket science that we score so few goals & likewise don't concede many as it's seems clear that the midfield's main priority is to help the back four & only get forward sporadically. We create so few clear chances although Oscar often says otherwise (typical manager trying to paint a rosier picture). If any fan says that we have been attractive to watch on a regular basis this season then I'm afraid they should get rid of their blue & white glasses & go to Specsavers. The tempo is set by the back four in & out of possession. When the opponents have the ball the back four could be 10/15 yards higher up the pitch allowing our midfield to press the ball nearer the opponents goal & be closer to Ulloa. Greer's natural instinct is to retreat even if the ball is deep in the opposition half, so a quicker & more positive defender is needed ( Lewis Dunk). When the back four have the ball the first look should be forward & if nothing is on then sideways/backwards passes are ok if the defender is having no more than two touches, moving the ball quickly & therefore moving the opponents around. I've also noticed that our wide players seem to be playing narrower in the last few weeks, presumably to get closer to Ulloa. This possibly suits Lingaard more than it does LuaLua & Buckley because they are at their most effective receiving the ball in wide areas, attacking their full-backs & getting in shots or crosses. They seem lost in central areas & don't see as much of the ball. I would rather one or two of the central midfield players try to get around Ulloa or in the box more as Crofts often did. I appreciate this would be slightly higher risk football than at present but would get the fans behind the team much more creating a better atmosphere which the players could then feed off. Until Orlandi gets fit I would like to see Lopez in the role JFC is playing as although he's had a poor season he is better in the middle than out wide plus he can spot a pass quicker than any of the current XI. Injuries have obviously hampered things throughout the season(chiefly Orlandi, Ulloa & Crofts) but this does not totally excuse our lack of attacking intent for most of the season.[/p][/quote]Vegas, I think that answers your question and just about sums up how most fans feel, excellant post.[/p][/quote]My goodness. I read this nodding my head. Those of us that go to the games can mostly agree with all of the comments. Boston Boy
  • Score: 5

6:20pm Fri 28 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

Elljam, your points are valid when talking of the earlier part of the season, and you are correct when talking of Oscar's early stated aims, 'higer tempo,' but with all due respect, I am not sure that enough importance has been given to all the injuries the squad has endured and how they have affected Oscar's decisions.

Leaving Hoskins to one side, he was injured from day one of Oscar's reign, could Oscar have got the team playing in the way he wanted had he had more preseason time to evaluate the squad, and make changes to the squad. As soon as the season got going we started to lsoe players, CMS the most valuable early loss. As more players were lost to injury it seems that Oscar decided that not losing was the imidiate need. Players continued to go down and not losing became more important..
The day we lost Crofts for the rest of the season was massive, I think he was on route to having a great year, but no sooner had we lost him, we then started losing the services of other key players, Buckley and Orlandi soon followed.
The selling of Barnes, I think, was a bit of business that we didn't, 'want,' to do but reallly didn't have much choice about. He had a contract on the table but he chose not to pick it up, and with his contract coming to an end, taking the money for him was a financially prident decision, even if an unwelcome one. Bridcutt going was out of our hands, the lad just about went on strike, yeah he told us that he his wasn't in the right place, I take that with a pinch of salt, he wanted out and went.
The guys brought in on loan didn't work out, it makes no difference who chose them, they just didn't deliver, but we did have the benefit of our young players stepping up. Lingard has ocme in, I think we all thought that he would start to score gaols pretty quickly but as of right now, that hasn't happened.

I guess the thought I am trying to convey with all of the above is, any early plans, desires of hopes that Oscar had on day one, have been severely hampered by events that were out of his control, and he had to temper his approach as each brick landed on his head. Who knew that so many players would go down so quickly and for so long. Who knew that Spanish Dave would not be the player he was last year. Who knew that, what looked like decent loanees, would in fact turn out to be ineffectual. I am sure that Oscar did not expect Barnes and Bridcutt to be sold, how could he, when Oscar took over Poyet was out of work and Burnley were yet to get into what has turned out to be a great year for them.
The one thing Oscar would have known was that his budget for new players was going to be very tight.

I agree, if we can change things up so as to go out with a starting eleven that can produce more goals, that is what we should do, but to be honest, I don't think the players we need to do that are fit or maybe they don't even exist within our squad.
Elljam, your points are valid when talking of the earlier part of the season, and you are correct when talking of Oscar's early stated aims, 'higer tempo,' but with all due respect, I am not sure that enough importance has been given to all the injuries the squad has endured and how they have affected Oscar's decisions. Leaving Hoskins to one side, he was injured from day one of Oscar's reign, could Oscar have got the team playing in the way he wanted had he had more preseason time to evaluate the squad, and make changes to the squad. As soon as the season got going we started to lsoe players, CMS the most valuable early loss. As more players were lost to injury it seems that Oscar decided that not losing was the imidiate need. Players continued to go down and not losing became more important.. The day we lost Crofts for the rest of the season was massive, I think he was on route to having a great year, but no sooner had we lost him, we then started losing the services of other key players, Buckley and Orlandi soon followed. The selling of Barnes, I think, was a bit of business that we didn't, 'want,' to do but reallly didn't have much choice about. He had a contract on the table but he chose not to pick it up, and with his contract coming to an end, taking the money for him was a financially prident decision, even if an unwelcome one. Bridcutt going was out of our hands, the lad just about went on strike, yeah he told us that he his wasn't in the right place, I take that with a pinch of salt, he wanted out and went. The guys brought in on loan didn't work out, it makes no difference who chose them, they just didn't deliver, but we did have the benefit of our young players stepping up. Lingard has ocme in, I think we all thought that he would start to score gaols pretty quickly but as of right now, that hasn't happened. I guess the thought I am trying to convey with all of the above is, any early plans, desires of hopes that Oscar had on day one, have been severely hampered by events that were out of his control, and he had to temper his approach as each brick landed on his head. Who knew that so many players would go down so quickly and for so long. Who knew that Spanish Dave would not be the player he was last year. Who knew that, what looked like decent loanees, would in fact turn out to be ineffectual. I am sure that Oscar did not expect Barnes and Bridcutt to be sold, how could he, when Oscar took over Poyet was out of work and Burnley were yet to get into what has turned out to be a great year for them. The one thing Oscar would have known was that his budget for new players was going to be very tight. I agree, if we can change things up so as to go out with a starting eleven that can produce more goals, that is what we should do, but to be honest, I don't think the players we need to do that are fit or maybe they don't even exist within our squad. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

6:47pm Fri 28 Mar 14

ringtone says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Elljam, your points are valid when talking of the earlier part of the season, and you are correct when talking of Oscar's early stated aims, 'higer tempo,' but with all due respect, I am not sure that enough importance has been given to all the injuries the squad has endured and how they have affected Oscar's decisions.

Leaving Hoskins to one side, he was injured from day one of Oscar's reign, could Oscar have got the team playing in the way he wanted had he had more preseason time to evaluate the squad, and make changes to the squad. As soon as the season got going we started to lsoe players, CMS the most valuable early loss. As more players were lost to injury it seems that Oscar decided that not losing was the imidiate need. Players continued to go down and not losing became more important..
The day we lost Crofts for the rest of the season was massive, I think he was on route to having a great year, but no sooner had we lost him, we then started losing the services of other key players, Buckley and Orlandi soon followed.
The selling of Barnes, I think, was a bit of business that we didn't, 'want,' to do but reallly didn't have much choice about. He had a contract on the table but he chose not to pick it up, and with his contract coming to an end, taking the money for him was a financially prident decision, even if an unwelcome one. Bridcutt going was out of our hands, the lad just about went on strike, yeah he told us that he his wasn't in the right place, I take that with a pinch of salt, he wanted out and went.
The guys brought in on loan didn't work out, it makes no difference who chose them, they just didn't deliver, but we did have the benefit of our young players stepping up. Lingard has ocme in, I think we all thought that he would start to score gaols pretty quickly but as of right now, that hasn't happened.

I guess the thought I am trying to convey with all of the above is, any early plans, desires of hopes that Oscar had on day one, have been severely hampered by events that were out of his control, and he had to temper his approach as each brick landed on his head. Who knew that so many players would go down so quickly and for so long. Who knew that Spanish Dave would not be the player he was last year. Who knew that, what looked like decent loanees, would in fact turn out to be ineffectual. I am sure that Oscar did not expect Barnes and Bridcutt to be sold, how could he, when Oscar took over Poyet was out of work and Burnley were yet to get into what has turned out to be a great year for them.
The one thing Oscar would have known was that his budget for new players was going to be very tight.

I agree, if we can change things up so as to go out with a starting eleven that can produce more goals, that is what we should do, but to be honest, I don't think the players we need to do that are fit or maybe they don't even exist within our squad.
I must have missed the early season game when CMS got injured, maybe we loaned him to Newport and caldy broke his leg with the worst tackle i have ever seen.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Elljam, your points are valid when talking of the earlier part of the season, and you are correct when talking of Oscar's early stated aims, 'higer tempo,' but with all due respect, I am not sure that enough importance has been given to all the injuries the squad has endured and how they have affected Oscar's decisions. Leaving Hoskins to one side, he was injured from day one of Oscar's reign, could Oscar have got the team playing in the way he wanted had he had more preseason time to evaluate the squad, and make changes to the squad. As soon as the season got going we started to lsoe players, CMS the most valuable early loss. As more players were lost to injury it seems that Oscar decided that not losing was the imidiate need. Players continued to go down and not losing became more important.. The day we lost Crofts for the rest of the season was massive, I think he was on route to having a great year, but no sooner had we lost him, we then started losing the services of other key players, Buckley and Orlandi soon followed. The selling of Barnes, I think, was a bit of business that we didn't, 'want,' to do but reallly didn't have much choice about. He had a contract on the table but he chose not to pick it up, and with his contract coming to an end, taking the money for him was a financially prident decision, even if an unwelcome one. Bridcutt going was out of our hands, the lad just about went on strike, yeah he told us that he his wasn't in the right place, I take that with a pinch of salt, he wanted out and went. The guys brought in on loan didn't work out, it makes no difference who chose them, they just didn't deliver, but we did have the benefit of our young players stepping up. Lingard has ocme in, I think we all thought that he would start to score gaols pretty quickly but as of right now, that hasn't happened. I guess the thought I am trying to convey with all of the above is, any early plans, desires of hopes that Oscar had on day one, have been severely hampered by events that were out of his control, and he had to temper his approach as each brick landed on his head. Who knew that so many players would go down so quickly and for so long. Who knew that Spanish Dave would not be the player he was last year. Who knew that, what looked like decent loanees, would in fact turn out to be ineffectual. I am sure that Oscar did not expect Barnes and Bridcutt to be sold, how could he, when Oscar took over Poyet was out of work and Burnley were yet to get into what has turned out to be a great year for them. The one thing Oscar would have known was that his budget for new players was going to be very tight. I agree, if we can change things up so as to go out with a starting eleven that can produce more goals, that is what we should do, but to be honest, I don't think the players we need to do that are fit or maybe they don't even exist within our squad.[/p][/quote]I must have missed the early season game when CMS got injured, maybe we loaned him to Newport and caldy broke his leg with the worst tackle i have ever seen. ringtone
  • Score: -4

6:56pm Fri 28 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

Ringtone I really don't understand your last comment, whilst I am sure that you are making some sort of clever remark, it's lost on me, perhaps you could expand your thought a little.
Ringtone I really don't understand your last comment, whilst I am sure that you are making some sort of clever remark, it's lost on me, perhaps you could expand your thought a little. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

7:00pm Fri 28 Mar 14

ringtone says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Ringtone I really don't understand your last comment, whilst I am sure that you are making some sort of clever remark, it's lost on me, perhaps you could expand your thought a little.
Sorry Vegas just being childish.

Good post, btw CMS has been out since last march.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Ringtone I really don't understand your last comment, whilst I am sure that you are making some sort of clever remark, it's lost on me, perhaps you could expand your thought a little.[/p][/quote]Sorry Vegas just being childish. Good post, btw CMS has been out since last march. ringtone
  • Score: 1

7:04pm Fri 28 Mar 14

OldGull says...

elljam wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
elljam wrote:
What happened in the summer does not excuse some of the turgid football seen for the majority of the season.
Give the crowd something to get excited about & the backing will be there. Alternatively continue with the safety first fare that's been dish of the day for many matches & there may as well be 2,000 fans because the silence will be deafening.
so you suggest what should be done by Oscar to give the crowd something to get excited about? You have made your comment, many will agree with you so now tell us what changes need to be made, in your opinion, and how.
We were led to believe Oscar favoured a higher tempo pressing game. Nothing has changed on that score & if anything we play at an even slower tempo than last season. We also defend deeper than any other team in the Championship.
The difference under Poyet was that although the tempo was also often too slow we kept better possession of the ball. Plus if we were losing or drawing with time running out he was not afraid to have 6 attacking players on the pitch & you always felt we could get something from the game. Oscar merely swaps like for like, afraid to change his precious formation.
When watching the earlier matches in the season even though the results were not great it looked as though we were trying to win the ball back higher up the pitch & play at a higher tempo. However as the season has progressed when we lose possession we retreat deep into our half sucking our midfield back deeper & therefore when we do get the chance to get forward there is too much space between Ulloa & the midfield leaving him isolated. There seems no urgency to our play
It's not rocket science that we score so few goals & likewise don't concede many as it's seems clear that the midfield's main priority is to help the back four & only get forward sporadically. We create so few clear chances although Oscar often says otherwise (typical manager trying to paint a rosier picture).
If any fan says that we have been attractive to watch on a regular basis this season then I'm afraid they should get rid of their blue & white glasses & go to Specsavers.

The tempo is set by the back four in & out of possession. When the opponents have the ball the back four could be 10/15 yards higher up the pitch allowing our midfield to press the ball nearer the opponents goal & be closer to Ulloa. Greer's natural instinct is to retreat even if the ball is deep in the opposition half, so a quicker & more positive defender is needed ( Lewis Dunk). When the back four have the ball the first look should be forward & if nothing is on then sideways/backwards passes are ok if the defender is having no more than two touches, moving the ball quickly & therefore moving the opponents around.
I've also noticed that our wide players seem to be playing narrower in the last few weeks, presumably to get closer to Ulloa. This possibly suits Lingaard more than it does LuaLua & Buckley because they are at their most effective receiving the ball in wide areas, attacking their full-backs & getting in shots or crosses. They seem lost in central areas & don't see as much of the ball. I would rather one or two of the central midfield players try to get around Ulloa or in the box more as Crofts often did.
I appreciate this would be slightly higher risk football than at present but would get the fans behind the team much more creating a better atmosphere which the players could then feed off.
Until Orlandi gets fit I would like to see Lopez in the role JFC is playing as although he's had a poor season he is better in the middle than out wide plus he can spot a pass quicker than any of the current XI.

Injuries have obviously hampered things throughout the season(chiefly Orlandi, Ulloa & Crofts) but this does not totally excuse our lack of attacking intent for most of the season.
I think people have short memories
Under Gus last season, Albion never won a game if the conceded 1st
[quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: What happened in the summer does not excuse some of the turgid football seen for the majority of the season. Give the crowd something to get excited about & the backing will be there. Alternatively continue with the safety first fare that's been dish of the day for many matches & there may as well be 2,000 fans because the silence will be deafening.[/p][/quote]so you suggest what should be done by Oscar to give the crowd something to get excited about? You have made your comment, many will agree with you so now tell us what changes need to be made, in your opinion, and how.[/p][/quote]We were led to believe Oscar favoured a higher tempo pressing game. Nothing has changed on that score & if anything we play at an even slower tempo than last season. We also defend deeper than any other team in the Championship. The difference under Poyet was that although the tempo was also often too slow we kept better possession of the ball. Plus if we were losing or drawing with time running out he was not afraid to have 6 attacking players on the pitch & you always felt we could get something from the game. Oscar merely swaps like for like, afraid to change his precious formation. When watching the earlier matches in the season even though the results were not great it looked as though we were trying to win the ball back higher up the pitch & play at a higher tempo. However as the season has progressed when we lose possession we retreat deep into our half sucking our midfield back deeper & therefore when we do get the chance to get forward there is too much space between Ulloa & the midfield leaving him isolated. There seems no urgency to our play It's not rocket science that we score so few goals & likewise don't concede many as it's seems clear that the midfield's main priority is to help the back four & only get forward sporadically. We create so few clear chances although Oscar often says otherwise (typical manager trying to paint a rosier picture). If any fan says that we have been attractive to watch on a regular basis this season then I'm afraid they should get rid of their blue & white glasses & go to Specsavers. The tempo is set by the back four in & out of possession. When the opponents have the ball the back four could be 10/15 yards higher up the pitch allowing our midfield to press the ball nearer the opponents goal & be closer to Ulloa. Greer's natural instinct is to retreat even if the ball is deep in the opposition half, so a quicker & more positive defender is needed ( Lewis Dunk). When the back four have the ball the first look should be forward & if nothing is on then sideways/backwards passes are ok if the defender is having no more than two touches, moving the ball quickly & therefore moving the opponents around. I've also noticed that our wide players seem to be playing narrower in the last few weeks, presumably to get closer to Ulloa. This possibly suits Lingaard more than it does LuaLua & Buckley because they are at their most effective receiving the ball in wide areas, attacking their full-backs & getting in shots or crosses. They seem lost in central areas & don't see as much of the ball. I would rather one or two of the central midfield players try to get around Ulloa or in the box more as Crofts often did. I appreciate this would be slightly higher risk football than at present but would get the fans behind the team much more creating a better atmosphere which the players could then feed off. Until Orlandi gets fit I would like to see Lopez in the role JFC is playing as although he's had a poor season he is better in the middle than out wide plus he can spot a pass quicker than any of the current XI. Injuries have obviously hampered things throughout the season(chiefly Orlandi, Ulloa & Crofts) but this does not totally excuse our lack of attacking intent for most of the season.[/p][/quote]I think people have short memories Under Gus last season, Albion never won a game if the conceded 1st OldGull
  • Score: 3

7:33pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Far gull says...

Some top posts , Elijam for the job if OG to leave. Love idea of calde in middle but personally Bruno in there for Andrews,Calde to right back. In fact any body in for Andrews would make me happy at the start.
It niggles me OG started out so well converting Ince to midfield , but cannot move other players around. At the end of the day I thought always best to play your best players even if out of position. Lawro used to play left /right back,left/right centre back and occasional midfield depending on injuries and who was on form etc. AND he did this for us then at Liverpool ! Not all players convert easily to else where but FFS OG let's finish this season with our best available starting eleven on the pitch at the start and worry about subs as required. Yes as required,, I remember finishing games with the same eleven that's already won the game !
Some top posts , Elijam for the job if OG to leave. Love idea of calde in middle but personally Bruno in there for Andrews,Calde to right back. In fact any body in for Andrews would make me happy at the start. It niggles me OG started out so well converting Ince to midfield , but cannot move other players around. At the end of the day I thought always best to play your best players even if out of position. Lawro used to play left /right back,left/right centre back and occasional midfield depending on injuries and who was on form etc. AND he did this for us then at Liverpool ! Not all players convert easily to else where but FFS OG let's finish this season with our best available starting eleven on the pitch at the start and worry about subs as required. Yes as required,, I remember finishing games with the same eleven that's already won the game ! Far gull
  • Score: 3

7:45pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Falmer Wizard says...

I decided not to renew my season this year as the frustration of possession in our own half plus one man up front was becoming tedious. I decided to attend when this situation was changed so as yet have not attended a game and am quids up.
I still hope that Oscar will play a fast attacking side for the remaining home games to keep the attendances up and pick a more defensive side for away games, he needs to give home fans a treat.
I decided not to renew my season this year as the frustration of possession in our own half plus one man up front was becoming tedious. I decided to attend when this situation was changed so as yet have not attended a game and am quids up. I still hope that Oscar will play a fast attacking side for the remaining home games to keep the attendances up and pick a more defensive side for away games, he needs to give home fans a treat. Falmer Wizard
  • Score: 0

7:48pm Fri 28 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Elljam, your points are valid when talking of the earlier part of the season, and you are correct when talking of Oscar's early stated aims, 'higer tempo,' but with all due respect, I am not sure that enough importance has been given to all the injuries the squad has endured and how they have affected Oscar's decisions.

Leaving Hoskins to one side, he was injured from day one of Oscar's reign, could Oscar have got the team playing in the way he wanted had he had more preseason time to evaluate the squad, and make changes to the squad. As soon as the season got going we started to lsoe players, CMS the most valuable early loss. As more players were lost to injury it seems that Oscar decided that not losing was the imidiate need. Players continued to go down and not losing became more important..
The day we lost Crofts for the rest of the season was massive, I think he was on route to having a great year, but no sooner had we lost him, we then started losing the services of other key players, Buckley and Orlandi soon followed.
The selling of Barnes, I think, was a bit of business that we didn't, 'want,' to do but reallly didn't have much choice about. He had a contract on the table but he chose not to pick it up, and with his contract coming to an end, taking the money for him was a financially prident decision, even if an unwelcome one. Bridcutt going was out of our hands, the lad just about went on strike, yeah he told us that he his wasn't in the right place, I take that with a pinch of salt, he wanted out and went.
The guys brought in on loan didn't work out, it makes no difference who chose them, they just didn't deliver, but we did have the benefit of our young players stepping up. Lingard has ocme in, I think we all thought that he would start to score gaols pretty quickly but as of right now, that hasn't happened.

I guess the thought I am trying to convey with all of the above is, any early plans, desires of hopes that Oscar had on day one, have been severely hampered by events that were out of his control, and he had to temper his approach as each brick landed on his head. Who knew that so many players would go down so quickly and for so long. Who knew that Spanish Dave would not be the player he was last year. Who knew that, what looked like decent loanees, would in fact turn out to be ineffectual. I am sure that Oscar did not expect Barnes and Bridcutt to be sold, how could he, when Oscar took over Poyet was out of work and Burnley were yet to get into what has turned out to be a great year for them.
The one thing Oscar would have known was that his budget for new players was going to be very tight.

I agree, if we can change things up so as to go out with a starting eleven that can produce more goals, that is what we should do, but to be honest, I don't think the players we need to do that are fit or maybe they don't even exist within our squad.
With respect Vegas , what injuries have we had this season? Crofts and Orlandi is about it, have we had exceptional numbers out? No is the answer.
If you include CMS and Hoskins then they were always never going to play, both injuries will take time to heal, I would expect one to be fit for the start of next season....
I have my doubts over if we even offer Hoskins another contract? If all were fit would he even make the bench?
The whole point I am making is it's pointless the argus keep naming those two as injured when neither were likely to play!
The football has been dull this season, 8 home wins , and 39 goals to date,
Under Gus we scored 69 last year, and we did not start scoring till jan when ulloa signed ( why did we sign ulloa when we had Barnes cms and Hoskins fit) weirdly we have played most of the season with two strikers, complete unprofessional decisions have been made, we collected £750k from sale of Barnes ... But had no player signed? Since then we have had a run of Lita lethal and now lingard .. What is the cost of these loans? Many have fees involved.
My final point is 39 goals is a question that needs answering tactically .
The top two clubs in this division have a higher goal difference than we have scored!
IF PROMOTION IS TO BE GUARANTEED SCORING GOALS IS THE ONLY WAY.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Elljam, your points are valid when talking of the earlier part of the season, and you are correct when talking of Oscar's early stated aims, 'higer tempo,' but with all due respect, I am not sure that enough importance has been given to all the injuries the squad has endured and how they have affected Oscar's decisions. Leaving Hoskins to one side, he was injured from day one of Oscar's reign, could Oscar have got the team playing in the way he wanted had he had more preseason time to evaluate the squad, and make changes to the squad. As soon as the season got going we started to lsoe players, CMS the most valuable early loss. As more players were lost to injury it seems that Oscar decided that not losing was the imidiate need. Players continued to go down and not losing became more important.. The day we lost Crofts for the rest of the season was massive, I think he was on route to having a great year, but no sooner had we lost him, we then started losing the services of other key players, Buckley and Orlandi soon followed. The selling of Barnes, I think, was a bit of business that we didn't, 'want,' to do but reallly didn't have much choice about. He had a contract on the table but he chose not to pick it up, and with his contract coming to an end, taking the money for him was a financially prident decision, even if an unwelcome one. Bridcutt going was out of our hands, the lad just about went on strike, yeah he told us that he his wasn't in the right place, I take that with a pinch of salt, he wanted out and went. The guys brought in on loan didn't work out, it makes no difference who chose them, they just didn't deliver, but we did have the benefit of our young players stepping up. Lingard has ocme in, I think we all thought that he would start to score gaols pretty quickly but as of right now, that hasn't happened. I guess the thought I am trying to convey with all of the above is, any early plans, desires of hopes that Oscar had on day one, have been severely hampered by events that were out of his control, and he had to temper his approach as each brick landed on his head. Who knew that so many players would go down so quickly and for so long. Who knew that Spanish Dave would not be the player he was last year. Who knew that, what looked like decent loanees, would in fact turn out to be ineffectual. I am sure that Oscar did not expect Barnes and Bridcutt to be sold, how could he, when Oscar took over Poyet was out of work and Burnley were yet to get into what has turned out to be a great year for them. The one thing Oscar would have known was that his budget for new players was going to be very tight. I agree, if we can change things up so as to go out with a starting eleven that can produce more goals, that is what we should do, but to be honest, I don't think the players we need to do that are fit or maybe they don't even exist within our squad.[/p][/quote]With respect Vegas , what injuries have we had this season? Crofts and Orlandi is about it, have we had exceptional numbers out? No is the answer. If you include CMS and Hoskins then they were always never going to play, both injuries will take time to heal, I would expect one to be fit for the start of next season.... I have my doubts over if we even offer Hoskins another contract? If all were fit would he even make the bench? The whole point I am making is it's pointless the argus keep naming those two as injured when neither were likely to play! The football has been dull this season, 8 home wins , and 39 goals to date, Under Gus we scored 69 last year, and we did not start scoring till jan when ulloa signed ( why did we sign ulloa when we had Barnes cms and Hoskins fit) weirdly we have played most of the season with two strikers, complete unprofessional decisions have been made, we collected £750k from sale of Barnes ... But had no player signed? Since then we have had a run of Lita lethal and now lingard .. What is the cost of these loans? Many have fees involved. My final point is 39 goals is a question that needs answering tactically . The top two clubs in this division have a higher goal difference than we have scored! IF PROMOTION IS TO BE GUARANTEED SCORING GOALS IS THE ONLY WAY. mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

7:58pm Fri 28 Mar 14

oscar must go says...

Falmer Wizard wrote:
I decided not to renew my season this year as the frustration of possession in our own half plus one man up front was becoming tedious. I decided to attend when this situation was changed so as yet have not attended a game and am quids up.
I still hope that Oscar will play a fast attacking side for the remaining home games to keep the attendances up and pick a more defensive side for away games, he needs to give home fans a treat.
Amazing. You had the audacity to question my support for this football club and then you admit to throwing the towel in. You are a disgrace!!
[quote][p][bold]Falmer Wizard[/bold] wrote: I decided not to renew my season this year as the frustration of possession in our own half plus one man up front was becoming tedious. I decided to attend when this situation was changed so as yet have not attended a game and am quids up. I still hope that Oscar will play a fast attacking side for the remaining home games to keep the attendances up and pick a more defensive side for away games, he needs to give home fans a treat.[/p][/quote]Amazing. You had the audacity to question my support for this football club and then you admit to throwing the towel in. You are a disgrace!! oscar must go
  • Score: -1

8:30pm Fri 28 Mar 14

OldGull says...

Falmer Wizard wrote:
I decided not to renew my season this year as the frustration of possession in our own half plus one man up front was becoming tedious. I decided to attend when this situation was changed so as yet have not attended a game and am quids up.
I still hope that Oscar will play a fast attacking side for the remaining home games to keep the attendances up and pick a more defensive side for away games, he needs to give home fans a treat.
Your post does not add up.
You either had a season ticket for this season or not.

If you have, how can you be quids up by not attending?

If you did not renew at the end of last season, you made the decision before OG arrived.

Please elucidate
[quote][p][bold]Falmer Wizard[/bold] wrote: I decided not to renew my season this year as the frustration of possession in our own half plus one man up front was becoming tedious. I decided to attend when this situation was changed so as yet have not attended a game and am quids up. I still hope that Oscar will play a fast attacking side for the remaining home games to keep the attendances up and pick a more defensive side for away games, he needs to give home fans a treat.[/p][/quote]Your post does not add up. You either had a season ticket for this season or not. If you have, how can you be quids up by not attending? If you did not renew at the end of last season, you made the decision before OG arrived. Please elucidate OldGull
  • Score: 4

9:17pm Fri 28 Mar 14

gordongull says...

The Complacency - Jockeys are quick to remind us that Oscar didn't have the benefit of a full preseason, and they also point out the catalogue of injuries. I don't see how this relates to his decision making, and that is what many see as a cause for concern.
9th position looks decent on paper under the circumstances, but there has often been the perception that much more could have been achieved. IMHO If the Coaches had shown more ambition, and a flexible approach, we would currently occupy a play-off place. A side-effect would have been entertaining football.
I would recommend the excellent piece by elljamt to Oscar and Nathan, as essential reading.
The Complacency - Jockeys are quick to remind us that Oscar didn't have the benefit of a full preseason, and they also point out the catalogue of injuries. I don't see how this relates to his decision making, and that is what many see as a cause for concern. 9th position looks decent on paper under the circumstances, but there has often been the perception that much more could have been achieved. IMHO If the Coaches had shown more ambition, and a flexible approach, we would currently occupy a play-off place. A side-effect would have been entertaining football. I would recommend the excellent piece by elljamt to Oscar and Nathan, as essential reading. gordongull
  • Score: 4

9:58pm Fri 28 Mar 14

hannover seagull says...

Impact players have to start now and not get 20mins
Lua Lua ,Buckley,Lingaard and Leo must lead the line
Solly in the company of Ince behind the front four
Upson,Bruno,Dunk,Gre
er
Tommo

Have to win on Saturday to stay in the fight lets go for it
UTA...............
Impact players have to start now and not get 20mins Lua Lua ,Buckley,Lingaard and Leo must lead the line Solly in the company of Ince behind the front four Upson,Bruno,Dunk,Gre er Tommo Have to win on Saturday to stay in the fight lets go for it UTA............... hannover seagull
  • Score: 2

10:43pm Fri 28 Mar 14

OldGull says...

Falmer Wizard wrote:
I decided not to renew my season this year as the frustration of possession in our own half plus one man up front was becoming tedious. I decided to attend when this situation was changed so as yet have not attended a game and am quids up.
I still hope that Oscar will play a fast attacking side for the remaining home games to keep the attendances up and pick a more defensive side for away games, he needs to give home fans a treat.
Your post does not add up.
You either had a season ticket for this season or not.

If you have, how can you be quids up by not attending?

If you did not renew at the end of last season, you made the decision before OG arrived.

Please elucidate
[quote][p][bold]Falmer Wizard[/bold] wrote: I decided not to renew my season this year as the frustration of possession in our own half plus one man up front was becoming tedious. I decided to attend when this situation was changed so as yet have not attended a game and am quids up. I still hope that Oscar will play a fast attacking side for the remaining home games to keep the attendances up and pick a more defensive side for away games, he needs to give home fans a treat.[/p][/quote]Your post does not add up. You either had a season ticket for this season or not. If you have, how can you be quids up by not attending? If you did not renew at the end of last season, you made the decision before OG arrived. Please elucidate OldGull
  • Score: 3

11:10pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Conelli98 says...

hannover seagull wrote:
Impact players have to start now and not get 20mins
Lua Lua ,Buckley,Lingaard and Leo must lead the line
Solly in the company of Ince behind the front four
Upson,Bruno,Dunk,Gre

er
Tommo

Have to win on Saturday to stay in the fight lets go for it
UTA...............
I hope KLL performs well tomorrow otherwise fans might ask why was he out so late on a fri night in Burgess Hill?
[quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: Impact players have to start now and not get 20mins Lua Lua ,Buckley,Lingaard and Leo must lead the line Solly in the company of Ince behind the front four Upson,Bruno,Dunk,Gre er Tommo Have to win on Saturday to stay in the fight lets go for it UTA...............[/p][/quote]I hope KLL performs well tomorrow otherwise fans might ask why was he out so late on a fri night in Burgess Hill? Conelli98
  • Score: 2

7:27am Sat 29 Mar 14

Captain Haddock says...

OldGull wrote:
Falmer Wizard wrote:
I decided not to renew my season this year as the frustration of possession in our own half plus one man up front was becoming tedious. I decided to attend when this situation was changed so as yet have not attended a game and am quids up.
I still hope that Oscar will play a fast attacking side for the remaining home games to keep the attendances up and pick a more defensive side for away games, he needs to give home fans a treat.
Your post does not add up.
You either had a season ticket for this season or not.

If you have, how can you be quids up by not attending?

If you did not renew at the end of last season, you made the decision before OG arrived.

Please elucidate
Spot on! There's a few disgruntled "season ticket holders" on here. Convenience of argument syndrome! ;0)
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Falmer Wizard[/bold] wrote: I decided not to renew my season this year as the frustration of possession in our own half plus one man up front was becoming tedious. I decided to attend when this situation was changed so as yet have not attended a game and am quids up. I still hope that Oscar will play a fast attacking side for the remaining home games to keep the attendances up and pick a more defensive side for away games, he needs to give home fans a treat.[/p][/quote]Your post does not add up. You either had a season ticket for this season or not. If you have, how can you be quids up by not attending? If you did not renew at the end of last season, you made the decision before OG arrived. Please elucidate[/p][/quote]Spot on! There's a few disgruntled "season ticket holders" on here. Convenience of argument syndrome! ;0) Captain Haddock
  • Score: 3

7:28am Sat 29 Mar 14

Captain Haddock says...

Mark BTS: you are seriously asking what injuries apart from Orlandi and Crofts?! Seriously?!

Erm, well there's:

- Leo for 7 weeks with ankle
- Buckers sporadic probs adding up to approx 12 weeks
- Kaz occasional fortnightly lay offs + nursing of ongoing probs hampering his starts and back-to-backs
- Ince 2/3 weeks and yet to regain post injury form
- Dunk 3 weeks
- Bruno several weeks
- Barnes 2/3 weeks
- Bridcutt 3/4 weeks
- Conway 2 weeks
- Lopez 3/4 weeks
- Calde 2/3 weeks
- JFC 3/4 weeks

Then there's the £4.25m of known injury collateral damage that is CMS and Hoskins - I WOULD include them given the options they deprived us of and money we subsequently spent on loans to cover that could have gone to creative midfield.

Oh and of course you can also bracket under the heading of unforeseen absence the victims of the current frustrating virus:

- Upson 1 match
- Stephens 2 matches
- Leo 1 match
- Calde 1 match
- Hoskins 1 match (was set to play today btw)
- March 1 match
Mark BTS: you are seriously asking what injuries apart from Orlandi and Crofts?! Seriously?! Erm, well there's: - Leo for 7 weeks with ankle - Buckers sporadic probs adding up to approx 12 weeks - Kaz occasional fortnightly lay offs + nursing of ongoing probs hampering his starts and back-to-backs - Ince 2/3 weeks and yet to regain post injury form - Dunk 3 weeks - Bruno several weeks - Barnes 2/3 weeks - Bridcutt 3/4 weeks - Conway 2 weeks - Lopez 3/4 weeks - Calde 2/3 weeks - JFC 3/4 weeks Then there's the £4.25m of known injury collateral damage that is CMS and Hoskins - I WOULD include them given the options they deprived us of and money we subsequently spent on loans to cover that could have gone to creative midfield. Oh and of course you can also bracket under the heading of unforeseen absence the victims of the current frustrating virus: - Upson 1 match - Stephens 2 matches - Leo 1 match - Calde 1 match - Hoskins 1 match (was set to play today btw) - March 1 match Captain Haddock
  • Score: 4

7:45am Sat 29 Mar 14

Captain Haddock says...

gordongull wrote:
The Complacency - Jockeys are quick to remind us that Oscar didn't have the benefit of a full preseason, and they also point out the catalogue of injuries. I don't see how this relates to his decision making, and that is what many see as a cause for concern. 9th position looks decent on paper under the circumstances, but there has often been the perception that much more could have been achieved. IMHO If the Coaches had shown more ambition, and a flexible approach, we would currently occupy a play-off place. A side-effect would have been entertaining football. I would recommend the excellent piece by elljamt to Oscar and Nathan, as essential reading.
Perhaps but we may also have been lower in the table (see Watford). Personally I don't know - can't know without access to a parallel universe - and you may be right but you can't underestimate the effect those injuries have / had. For example Kaz could have started every game but is carrying an ongoing niggle which precludes the safe and likely chances of consistent success as a starter (he's also inconsistent and a guilty party in the chances missed department, not to mention over/under-hit crosses).

The problem we've had ALL SEASON is inconsistent standards of performance partly due to the players themselves and partly due to the constantly enforced changes due to the injuries and illness (+ suspensions of course). None of this helps attain team synergy through repetition of line-ups and the development of telepathic understanding etc.

Look at Liverpool. S&S looked chalk and cheese for a good few weeks (perhaps months) til they clicked and now they are the most potent strike force in Europe. I know they are part of a flexible 4-4-2 but the point remains. All over the field such partnerships can develop e.g RB and right winger.

Burnley have overachieved due to a necessity for a small squad and the luck to keep it all fit. They've only just lost Ings with the job almost done and at a time when he was finally in a lull anyway.

I concede Oscar could have done things differently but it could have backfired badly with entertaining losses (see Forest and Wigan at Amex) and we don't know if he had the available choices we think he did anyway - there may have been additional (unannounced) niggles and knocks to contend with for some of those matchdays.

One thing for sure, the way we've played it leaves us in with a shout at this stage and I'm happy with that all things considered.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: The Complacency - Jockeys are quick to remind us that Oscar didn't have the benefit of a full preseason, and they also point out the catalogue of injuries. I don't see how this relates to his decision making, and that is what many see as a cause for concern. 9th position looks decent on paper under the circumstances, but there has often been the perception that much more could have been achieved. IMHO If the Coaches had shown more ambition, and a flexible approach, we would currently occupy a play-off place. A side-effect would have been entertaining football. I would recommend the excellent piece by elljamt to Oscar and Nathan, as essential reading.[/p][/quote]Perhaps but we may also have been lower in the table (see Watford). Personally I don't know - can't know without access to a parallel universe - and you may be right but you can't underestimate the effect those injuries have / had. For example Kaz could have started every game but is carrying an ongoing niggle which precludes the safe and likely chances of consistent success as a starter (he's also inconsistent and a guilty party in the chances missed department, not to mention over/under-hit crosses). The problem we've had ALL SEASON is inconsistent standards of performance partly due to the players themselves and partly due to the constantly enforced changes due to the injuries and illness (+ suspensions of course). None of this helps attain team synergy through repetition of line-ups and the development of telepathic understanding etc. Look at Liverpool. S&S looked chalk and cheese for a good few weeks (perhaps months) til they clicked and now they are the most potent strike force in Europe. I know they are part of a flexible 4-4-2 but the point remains. All over the field such partnerships can develop e.g RB and right winger. Burnley have overachieved due to a necessity for a small squad and the luck to keep it all fit. They've only just lost Ings with the job almost done and at a time when he was finally in a lull anyway. I concede Oscar could have done things differently but it could have backfired badly with entertaining losses (see Forest and Wigan at Amex) and we don't know if he had the available choices we think he did anyway - there may have been additional (unannounced) niggles and knocks to contend with for some of those matchdays. One thing for sure, the way we've played it leaves us in with a shout at this stage and I'm happy with that all things considered. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 4

7:49am Sat 29 Mar 14

Captain Haddock says...

Conelli98 wrote:
hannover seagull wrote: Impact players have to start now and not get 20mins Lua Lua ,Buckley,Lingaard and Leo must lead the line Solly in the company of Ince behind the front four Upson,Bruno,Dunk,Gre er Tommo Have to win on Saturday to stay in the fight lets go for it UTA...............
I hope KLL performs well tomorrow otherwise fans might ask why was he out so late on a fri night in Burgess Hill?
Er, that doesn't sound good. Hope he wasn't drunk! Did you see him first hand? I know he lives(d?) round there but was he pubbing it?
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: Impact players have to start now and not get 20mins Lua Lua ,Buckley,Lingaard and Leo must lead the line Solly in the company of Ince behind the front four Upson,Bruno,Dunk,Gre er Tommo Have to win on Saturday to stay in the fight lets go for it UTA...............[/p][/quote]I hope KLL performs well tomorrow otherwise fans might ask why was he out so late on a fri night in Burgess Hill?[/p][/quote]Er, that doesn't sound good. Hope he wasn't drunk! Did you see him first hand? I know he lives(d?) round there but was he pubbing it? Captain Haddock
  • Score: 2

7:52am Sat 29 Mar 14

Captain Haddock says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Mark BTS: you are seriously asking what injuries apart from Orlandi and Crofts?! Seriously?! Erm, well there's: - Leo for 7 weeks with ankle - Buckers sporadic probs adding up to approx 12 weeks - Kaz occasional fortnightly lay offs + nursing of ongoing probs hampering his starts and back-to-backs - Ince 2/3 weeks and yet to regain post injury form - Dunk 3 weeks - Bruno several weeks - Barnes 2/3 weeks - Bridcutt 3/4 weeks - Conway 2 weeks - Lopez 3/4 weeks - Calde 2/3 weeks - JFC 3/4 weeks Then there's the £4.25m of known injury collateral damage that is CMS and Hoskins - I WOULD include them given the options they deprived us of and money we subsequently spent on loans to cover that could have gone to creative midfield. Oh and of course you can also bracket under the heading of unforeseen absence the victims of the current frustrating virus: - Upson 1 match - Stephens 2 matches - Leo 1 match - Calde 1 match - Hoskins 1 match (was set to play today btw) - March 1 match
Of course I meant Ince's PRE-injury form not post-injury!
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: Mark BTS: you are seriously asking what injuries apart from Orlandi and Crofts?! Seriously?! Erm, well there's: - Leo for 7 weeks with ankle - Buckers sporadic probs adding up to approx 12 weeks - Kaz occasional fortnightly lay offs + nursing of ongoing probs hampering his starts and back-to-backs - Ince 2/3 weeks and yet to regain post injury form - Dunk 3 weeks - Bruno several weeks - Barnes 2/3 weeks - Bridcutt 3/4 weeks - Conway 2 weeks - Lopez 3/4 weeks - Calde 2/3 weeks - JFC 3/4 weeks Then there's the £4.25m of known injury collateral damage that is CMS and Hoskins - I WOULD include them given the options they deprived us of and money we subsequently spent on loans to cover that could have gone to creative midfield. Oh and of course you can also bracket under the heading of unforeseen absence the victims of the current frustrating virus: - Upson 1 match - Stephens 2 matches - Leo 1 match - Calde 1 match - Hoskins 1 match (was set to play today btw) - March 1 match[/p][/quote]Of course I meant Ince's PRE-injury form not post-injury! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 0

8:57am Sat 29 Mar 14

mark by the sea says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
Mark BTS: you are seriously asking what injuries apart from Orlandi and Crofts?! Seriously?! Erm, well there's: - Leo for 7 weeks with ankle - Buckers sporadic probs adding up to approx 12 weeks - Kaz occasional fortnightly lay offs + nursing of ongoing probs hampering his starts and back-to-backs - Ince 2/3 weeks and yet to regain post injury form - Dunk 3 weeks - Bruno several weeks - Barnes 2/3 weeks - Bridcutt 3/4 weeks - Conway 2 weeks - Lopez 3/4 weeks - Calde 2/3 weeks - JFC 3/4 weeks Then there's the £4.25m of known injury collateral damage that is CMS and Hoskins - I WOULD include them given the options they deprived us of and money we subsequently spent on loans to cover that could have gone to creative midfield. Oh and of course you can also bracket under the heading of unforeseen absence the victims of the current frustrating virus: - Upson 1 match - Stephens 2 matches - Leo 1 match - Calde 1 match - Hoskins 1 match (was set to play today btw) - March 1 match
Of course I meant Ince's PRE-injury form not post-injury!
But injuries are part andd parcel to the game, bridcutt got his place due to crofts being injured years ago, ince got his due to bridcutt injury,
None of this is over the top, look at arsenal they have 5-6 quality players out today and they just get on with it!
Clubs get sickness bugs all the time, we have one forward so when he is out like last Tuesday we suffer..It's the depth of talent in the squad that's the problem, we have three central defenders, and 4 fullbacks at the club, we have about 6 wide players and 3 holding midfielders, I can only name Orlandi as the creative one...
What I am saying is we are open to crisis due to not having depth in numbers.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: Mark BTS: you are seriously asking what injuries apart from Orlandi and Crofts?! Seriously?! Erm, well there's: - Leo for 7 weeks with ankle - Buckers sporadic probs adding up to approx 12 weeks - Kaz occasional fortnightly lay offs + nursing of ongoing probs hampering his starts and back-to-backs - Ince 2/3 weeks and yet to regain post injury form - Dunk 3 weeks - Bruno several weeks - Barnes 2/3 weeks - Bridcutt 3/4 weeks - Conway 2 weeks - Lopez 3/4 weeks - Calde 2/3 weeks - JFC 3/4 weeks Then there's the £4.25m of known injury collateral damage that is CMS and Hoskins - I WOULD include them given the options they deprived us of and money we subsequently spent on loans to cover that could have gone to creative midfield. Oh and of course you can also bracket under the heading of unforeseen absence the victims of the current frustrating virus: - Upson 1 match - Stephens 2 matches - Leo 1 match - Calde 1 match - Hoskins 1 match (was set to play today btw) - March 1 match[/p][/quote]Of course I meant Ince's PRE-injury form not post-injury![/p][/quote]But injuries are part andd parcel to the game, bridcutt got his place due to crofts being injured years ago, ince got his due to bridcutt injury, None of this is over the top, look at arsenal they have 5-6 quality players out today and they just get on with it! Clubs get sickness bugs all the time, we have one forward so when he is out like last Tuesday we suffer..It's the depth of talent in the squad that's the problem, we have three central defenders, and 4 fullbacks at the club, we have about 6 wide players and 3 holding midfielders, I can only name Orlandi as the creative one... What I am saying is we are open to crisis due to not having depth in numbers. mark by the sea
  • Score: -1

9:37am Sat 29 Mar 14

Piglet1 says...

Conelli98 wrote:
hannover seagull wrote:
Impact players have to start now and not get 20mins
Lua Lua ,Buckley,Lingaard and Leo must lead the line
Solly in the company of Ince behind the front four
Upson,Bruno,Dunk,Gre


er
Tommo

Have to win on Saturday to stay in the fight lets go for it
UTA...............
I hope KLL performs well tomorrow otherwise fans might ask why was he out so late on a fri night in Burgess Hill?
Possibly this is why he has not played as much as some fans think he should? I do not know ... just a thought.
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: Impact players have to start now and not get 20mins Lua Lua ,Buckley,Lingaard and Leo must lead the line Solly in the company of Ince behind the front four Upson,Bruno,Dunk,Gre er Tommo Have to win on Saturday to stay in the fight lets go for it UTA...............[/p][/quote]I hope KLL performs well tomorrow otherwise fans might ask why was he out so late on a fri night in Burgess Hill?[/p][/quote]Possibly this is why he has not played as much as some fans think he should? I do not know ... just a thought. Piglet1
  • Score: 1

12:22pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Conelli98 says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
hannover seagull wrote: Impact players have to start now and not get 20mins Lua Lua ,Buckley,Lingaard and Leo must lead the line Solly in the company of Ince behind the front four Upson,Bruno,Dunk,Gre er Tommo Have to win on Saturday to stay in the fight lets go for it UTA...............
I hope KLL performs well tomorrow otherwise fans might ask why was he out so late on a fri night in Burgess Hill?
Er, that doesn't sound good. Hope he wasn't drunk! Did you see him first hand? I know he lives(d?) round there but was he pubbing it?
Yep and I was there!
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: Impact players have to start now and not get 20mins Lua Lua ,Buckley,Lingaard and Leo must lead the line Solly in the company of Ince behind the front four Upson,Bruno,Dunk,Gre er Tommo Have to win on Saturday to stay in the fight lets go for it UTA...............[/p][/quote]I hope KLL performs well tomorrow otherwise fans might ask why was he out so late on a fri night in Burgess Hill?[/p][/quote]Er, that doesn't sound good. Hope he wasn't drunk! Did you see him first hand? I know he lives(d?) round there but was he pubbing it?[/p][/quote]Yep and I was there! Conelli98
  • Score: 1

8:58pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Captain Haddock says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
hannover seagull wrote: Impact players have to start now and not get 20mins Lua Lua ,Buckley,Lingaard and Leo must lead the line Solly in the company of Ince behind the front four Upson,Bruno,Dunk,Gre er Tommo Have to win on Saturday to stay in the fight lets go for it UTA...............
I hope KLL performs well tomorrow otherwise fans might ask why was he out so late on a fri night in Burgess Hill?
Er, that doesn't sound good. Hope he wasn't drunk! Did you see him first hand? I know he lives(d?) round there but was he pubbing it?
Yep and I was there!
Oh dear. Well, thanks for the info.
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: Impact players have to start now and not get 20mins Lua Lua ,Buckley,Lingaard and Leo must lead the line Solly in the company of Ince behind the front four Upson,Bruno,Dunk,Gre er Tommo Have to win on Saturday to stay in the fight lets go for it UTA...............[/p][/quote]I hope KLL performs well tomorrow otherwise fans might ask why was he out so late on a fri night in Burgess Hill?[/p][/quote]Er, that doesn't sound good. Hope he wasn't drunk! Did you see him first hand? I know he lives(d?) round there but was he pubbing it?[/p][/quote]Yep and I was there![/p][/quote]Oh dear. Well, thanks for the info. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 0

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