Buckley back on the sidelines

Will Buckley

Will Buckley

First published in Sport by , Chief sports reporter

Albion winger Will Buckley faces another spell on the sidelines - but he should be back before the end of the season.

Buckley was forced off by a further recurrence of hamstring trouble in the first half of Saturday's 2-0 home defeat by Middlesbrough.

His previous lay-off lasted 11 matches. Head coach Oscar Garcia told The Argus this morning: "It's not as serious as the last time. I think he will be okay in maybe two weeks but we have to monitor it every day. He felt something and we have to wait until next week for how long he will be out."

Andrea Orlandi, Will Hoskins and Kemy Agustien are all still on the injured list and unavailable for tomorrow night's game at Blackburn Rovers.

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11:23am Mon 31 Mar 14

Eddy Gemmell says...

As much as he is able to produce magic every now and then, his injury history is utterly terrible. I feel sorry for him but can't help thinking that we'd be better of with someone who has a fighting chance of playing more than a dozen games a season.
As much as he is able to produce magic every now and then, his injury history is utterly terrible. I feel sorry for him but can't help thinking that we'd be better of with someone who has a fighting chance of playing more than a dozen games a season. Eddy Gemmell
  • Score: 21

11:29am Mon 31 Mar 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

Eddy Gemmell wrote:
As much as he is able to produce magic every now and then, his injury history is utterly terrible. I feel sorry for him but can't help thinking that we'd be better of with someone who has a fighting chance of playing more than a dozen games a season.
Agreed.Why didn't we sign Craig Conway? Still baffled by this-hope we do not regret this even more tomorrow night when he plays against us!
[quote][p][bold]Eddy Gemmell[/bold] wrote: As much as he is able to produce magic every now and then, his injury history is utterly terrible. I feel sorry for him but can't help thinking that we'd be better of with someone who has a fighting chance of playing more than a dozen games a season.[/p][/quote]Agreed.Why didn't we sign Craig Conway? Still baffled by this-hope we do not regret this even more tomorrow night when he plays against us! SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 19

11:39am Mon 31 Mar 14

Gazza by the sea says...

With our limited budget our recruitment strategy has to include a rigorous assessment of a players fitness record. At their best Buckley and Orlandi woud be first choice in the starting eleven but we simply cannot afford the luxury of someone who is only available for half the season. We just do not have the budget for the size of squad that requires.
With our limited budget our recruitment strategy has to include a rigorous assessment of a players fitness record. At their best Buckley and Orlandi woud be first choice in the starting eleven but we simply cannot afford the luxury of someone who is only available for half the season. We just do not have the budget for the size of squad that requires. Gazza by the sea
  • Score: 16

12:09pm Mon 31 Mar 14

wiseman of hove says...

Gazza by the sea wrote:
With our limited budget our recruitment strategy has to include a rigorous assessment of a players fitness record. At their best Buckley and Orlandi woud be first choice in the starting eleven but we simply cannot afford the luxury of someone who is only available for half the season. We just do not have the budget for the size of squad that requires.
Had that rigorous assessment been applied we would never have signed Augustein. His injury problems were known at the time of signing.
[quote][p][bold]Gazza by the sea[/bold] wrote: With our limited budget our recruitment strategy has to include a rigorous assessment of a players fitness record. At their best Buckley and Orlandi woud be first choice in the starting eleven but we simply cannot afford the luxury of someone who is only available for half the season. We just do not have the budget for the size of squad that requires.[/p][/quote]Had that rigorous assessment been applied we would never have signed Augustein. His injury problems were known at the time of signing. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 11

12:21pm Mon 31 Mar 14

kwaidam says...

SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
Eddy Gemmell wrote:
As much as he is able to produce magic every now and then, his injury history is utterly terrible. I feel sorry for him but can't help thinking that we'd be better of with someone who has a fighting chance of playing more than a dozen games a season.
Agreed.Why didn't we sign Craig Conway? Still baffled by this-hope we do not regret this even more tomorrow night when he plays against us!
agreed. just one of the baffling decisions taken by Burke, Barber et al since the end of last season..... full credit to Oscar for getting us as high as we are considering the injuries ..... and the lack of financial backing and buffoonery from those just above him in the food chain....
a catalogue of crap actually in the last 10 months...
i give you...
1. the farce over the gus sacking and lack of respect for the fans in what was a stasi-style media blackout for six weeks
2. the signing of nathan jones as No2 (what exactly doe he bring to the tabe apart frm yeovil and charlton contacts...??)
3. the signng of agustien (unfit and uninterested)
4. the signing of lita (who it is agreed never gota a chance)
5. the siging of obika (the touch of wildebeest)
6. not re-signing conway (he was solid. and fit... we didn't get him back)
7. selling Ash when we he was one of our few fit strikers.
8. selling AEA (one of the big characters at the club... loyalty counts for nothing with Burke/Barber who are not Albion men and never have been)
9. the farce over the sale of Liam Bridcutt (we let him go on the cheap anyway in the end).
10. the amateurish and impoverished chase for Grabban and that bloke who signed for Millwall!

Some of the decisions taken this season have been beyond belief.
I am sure there are more i have forgotten...but these were just the ones i could think of when singing 'brighton til i die as the amex emptied on saturday.... and we could be looking down the barrel of six straight defeats before charlton come to humiliate us!!
so in light of what crap Oscar has had to put up with, he has done a **** fine job.... all power to him.
by the way... up the albion.
[quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eddy Gemmell[/bold] wrote: As much as he is able to produce magic every now and then, his injury history is utterly terrible. I feel sorry for him but can't help thinking that we'd be better of with someone who has a fighting chance of playing more than a dozen games a season.[/p][/quote]Agreed.Why didn't we sign Craig Conway? Still baffled by this-hope we do not regret this even more tomorrow night when he plays against us![/p][/quote]agreed. just one of the baffling decisions taken by Burke, Barber et al since the end of last season..... full credit to Oscar for getting us as high as we are considering the injuries ..... and the lack of financial backing and buffoonery from those just above him in the food chain.... a catalogue of crap actually in the last 10 months... i give you... 1. the farce over the gus sacking and lack of respect for the fans in what was a stasi-style media blackout for six weeks 2. the signing of nathan jones as No2 (what exactly doe he bring to the tabe apart frm yeovil and charlton contacts...??) 3. the signng of agustien (unfit and uninterested) 4. the signing of lita (who it is agreed never gota a chance) 5. the siging of obika (the touch of wildebeest) 6. not re-signing conway (he was solid. and fit... we didn't get him back) 7. selling Ash when we he was one of our few fit strikers. 8. selling AEA (one of the big characters at the club... loyalty counts for nothing with Burke/Barber who are not Albion men and never have been) 9. the farce over the sale of Liam Bridcutt (we let him go on the cheap anyway in the end). 10. the amateurish and impoverished chase for Grabban and that bloke who signed for Millwall! Some of the decisions taken this season have been beyond belief. I am sure there are more i have forgotten...but these were just the ones i could think of when singing 'brighton til i die as the amex emptied on saturday.... and we could be looking down the barrel of six straight defeats before charlton come to humiliate us!! so in light of what crap Oscar has had to put up with, he has done a **** fine job.... all power to him. by the way... up the albion. kwaidam
  • Score: 35

12:48pm Mon 31 Mar 14

kwaidam says...

oh, i forgot to add.... the general dumbing down of the squad and particularly worrying when you consider one of our loan players who was arguably man of the match against boro will be back off to wolves in the summer....
and not re-signing one of the best players we have ever seen in a blue and white shirt.
it's like fawlty towers at albion right now.... and reminds me of the episode when basil employed the o'reilly men to do the building work... and sybil asks him why.. 'because, he's cheap.' about the only thing not cheap are burke and barber's salaries... can we send them out on loan?
seriously, does anyone on here think Gus was wrong to say what he did? and he was right to leave as he saw what was coming....
oh, i forgot to add.... the general dumbing down of the squad and particularly worrying when you consider one of our loan players who was arguably man of the match against boro will be back off to wolves in the summer.... and not re-signing one of the best players we have ever seen in a blue and white shirt. it's like fawlty towers at albion right now.... and reminds me of the episode when basil employed the o'reilly men to do the building work... and sybil asks him why.. 'because, he's cheap.' about the only thing not cheap are burke and barber's salaries... can we send them out on loan? seriously, does anyone on here think Gus was wrong to say what he did? and he was right to leave as he saw what was coming.... kwaidam
  • Score: 20

12:56pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Hammershead says...

Defeat tomorrow night and I think rest him for the rest of the season. Although recent performances (and on and off all season) suggests we are not good enough, defeat more or less puts the nail in the coffin in my opinion. Therefore whats the point in rushing him back in again, he only breaks down every 3 or 4 games. Get to the root of the problems and fix him!
Defeat tomorrow night and I think rest him for the rest of the season. Although recent performances (and on and off all season) suggests we are not good enough, defeat more or less puts the nail in the coffin in my opinion. Therefore whats the point in rushing him back in again, he only breaks down every 3 or 4 games. Get to the root of the problems and fix him! Hammershead
  • Score: 5

1:00pm Mon 31 Mar 14

kwaidam says...

and we wil have more crap to put up with this summer with so many players out of contract... and why on earth are we allowing TK contract to wind down??? if anyone has done enough to deserve a new 3year deal. our Pole in the goal has....
and we wil have more crap to put up with this summer with so many players out of contract... and why on earth are we allowing TK contract to wind down??? if anyone has done enough to deserve a new 3year deal. our Pole in the goal has.... kwaidam
  • Score: 15

1:05pm Mon 31 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

Kwaidam, some will agree with the ten points you have highlighted, some will not, and some will aree in part to what you have written. One point I would ask you to reconsider is the role that you assume Barber has when it comes to the selling, buying or borrowing of players.

Barber's role is one of financial matters, he either says yes or no to a request for money, and that's it when it comes to the squad matters. Whilst there is a direct link to Burke and his role in players leaving or arriving, after all that is part of his job, nothing links Barber to any decision as to who we bring in or let go.
When the approach for Grabban was made Barber said yes to a million being available to buy him so it stands to reason that money was available to bring Conway in, the fact that Conway didn't come, is an issue better directed to Burke and Oscar or to Conway, I don't see how Barber enters into the Conway question.
Kwaidam, some will agree with the ten points you have highlighted, some will not, and some will aree in part to what you have written. One point I would ask you to reconsider is the role that you assume Barber has when it comes to the selling, buying or borrowing of players. Barber's role is one of financial matters, he either says yes or no to a request for money, and that's it when it comes to the squad matters. Whilst there is a direct link to Burke and his role in players leaving or arriving, after all that is part of his job, nothing links Barber to any decision as to who we bring in or let go. When the approach for Grabban was made Barber said yes to a million being available to buy him so it stands to reason that money was available to bring Conway in, the fact that Conway didn't come, is an issue better directed to Burke and Oscar or to Conway, I don't see how Barber enters into the Conway question. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 12

1:13pm Mon 31 Mar 14

wiseman of hove says...

The farce of Augustein, Lita, Obika Grabban and " that bloke who signed for Millwall" described in kwaidam's admirable post, simply indicate a shambles of a transfer and loan policy. As for the way Bridcutt's stance appeared to be almost sanctioned, words fail me. Oscar is starting to look like a hapless pawn. Who knows what his involvement was in the litany of failed, or attempted, acquisitions.
The farce of Augustein, Lita, Obika Grabban and " that bloke who signed for Millwall" described in kwaidam's admirable post, simply indicate a shambles of a transfer and loan policy. As for the way Bridcutt's stance appeared to be almost sanctioned, words fail me. Oscar is starting to look like a hapless pawn. Who knows what his involvement was in the litany of failed, or attempted, acquisitions. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 9

1:21pm Mon 31 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

Hammershead wrote:
Defeat tomorrow night and I think rest him for the rest of the season. Although recent performances (and on and off all season) suggests we are not good enough, defeat more or less puts the nail in the coffin in my opinion. Therefore whats the point in rushing him back in again, he only breaks down every 3 or 4 games. Get to the root of the problems and fix him!
I agree with you regarding Buckley, I think the time has come to end his season right now. Complete rest, other than working with the medical team, from now until the preseason training schedule and come that training, work him really hard and see if he can come thru unscathed, if not, then it's bye bye time by mutual consent. His constantly reacurring injury is a clear sign of a physical weakness, one which there is litttle hope of curing, and as good a player as he is, this makes him a liability to the squad as a whole.
[quote][p][bold]Hammershead[/bold] wrote: Defeat tomorrow night and I think rest him for the rest of the season. Although recent performances (and on and off all season) suggests we are not good enough, defeat more or less puts the nail in the coffin in my opinion. Therefore whats the point in rushing him back in again, he only breaks down every 3 or 4 games. Get to the root of the problems and fix him![/p][/quote]I agree with you regarding Buckley, I think the time has come to end his season right now. Complete rest, other than working with the medical team, from now until the preseason training schedule and come that training, work him really hard and see if he can come thru unscathed, if not, then it's bye bye time by mutual consent. His constantly reacurring injury is a clear sign of a physical weakness, one which there is litttle hope of curing, and as good a player as he is, this makes him a liability to the squad as a whole. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

1:27pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Eddy Gemmell wrote:
As much as he is able to produce magic every now and then, his injury history is utterly terrible. I feel sorry for him but can't help thinking that we'd be better of with someone who has a fighting chance of playing more than a dozen games a season.
I take your point, but he's player two dozen already this season ;-)

Hamstrings of glass though.
[quote][p][bold]Eddy Gemmell[/bold] wrote: As much as he is able to produce magic every now and then, his injury history is utterly terrible. I feel sorry for him but can't help thinking that we'd be better of with someone who has a fighting chance of playing more than a dozen games a season.[/p][/quote]I take your point, but he's player two dozen already this season ;-) Hamstrings of glass though. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 6

2:12pm Mon 31 Mar 14

tinker111 says...

Eddy Gemmell wrote:
As much as he is able to produce magic every now and then, his injury history is utterly terrible. I feel sorry for him but can't help thinking that we'd be better of with someone who has a fighting chance of playing more than a dozen games a season.
Have to add that he had this problem ( SICK NOTE ) back at Watford before coming to Albion As was Hoskins at Bristol rovers those who signed them along with a couple of other dead legs are to blame ????? who I say
[quote][p][bold]Eddy Gemmell[/bold] wrote: As much as he is able to produce magic every now and then, his injury history is utterly terrible. I feel sorry for him but can't help thinking that we'd be better of with someone who has a fighting chance of playing more than a dozen games a season.[/p][/quote]Have to add that he had this problem ( SICK NOTE ) back at Watford before coming to Albion As was Hoskins at Bristol rovers those who signed them along with a couple of other dead legs are to blame ????? who I say tinker111
  • Score: 3

2:14pm Mon 31 Mar 14

tinker111 says...

tinker111 wrote:
Eddy Gemmell wrote:
As much as he is able to produce magic every now and then, his injury history is utterly terrible. I feel sorry for him but can't help thinking that we'd be better of with someone who has a fighting chance of playing more than a dozen games a season.
Have to add that he had this problem ( SICK NOTE ) back at Watford before coming to Albion As was Hoskins at Bristol rovers those who signed them along with a couple of other dead legs are to blame ????? who I say
See MACA is back in boots again NOT NOT ONE OF MY DEAD LEGS.
[quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eddy Gemmell[/bold] wrote: As much as he is able to produce magic every now and then, his injury history is utterly terrible. I feel sorry for him but can't help thinking that we'd be better of with someone who has a fighting chance of playing more than a dozen games a season.[/p][/quote]Have to add that he had this problem ( SICK NOTE ) back at Watford before coming to Albion As was Hoskins at Bristol rovers those who signed them along with a couple of other dead legs are to blame ????? who I say[/p][/quote]See MACA is back in boots again NOT NOT ONE OF MY DEAD LEGS. tinker111
  • Score: 0

2:19pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
The farce of Augustein, Lita, Obika Grabban and " that bloke who signed for Millwall" described in kwaidam's admirable post, simply indicate a shambles of a transfer and loan policy. As for the way Bridcutt's stance appeared to be almost sanctioned, words fail me. Oscar is starting to look like a hapless pawn. Who knows what his involvement was in the litany of failed, or attempted, acquisitions.
Or, from a different angle, Grabban wanted to stay a big fish in a small pond, and "that bloke who signed for Millwall" did so because we wanted him as cover at CB and he wanted to play at CDM, where we already have Ince and Andrews. You can't blame Burke for those, although Agustien, Lita and Obika have thus far proven to be strange signings.
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: The farce of Augustein, Lita, Obika Grabban and " that bloke who signed for Millwall" described in kwaidam's admirable post, simply indicate a shambles of a transfer and loan policy. As for the way Bridcutt's stance appeared to be almost sanctioned, words fail me. Oscar is starting to look like a hapless pawn. Who knows what his involvement was in the litany of failed, or attempted, acquisitions.[/p][/quote]Or, from a different angle, Grabban wanted to stay a big fish in a small pond, and "that bloke who signed for Millwall" did so because we wanted him as cover at CB and he wanted to play at CDM, where we already have Ince and Andrews. You can't blame Burke for those, although Agustien, Lita and Obika have thus far proven to be strange signings. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

2:23pm Mon 31 Mar 14

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Kwaidam, some will agree with the ten points you have highlighted, some will not, and some will aree in part to what you have written. One point I would ask you to reconsider is the role that you assume Barber has when it comes to the selling, buying or borrowing of players.

Barber's role is one of financial matters, he either says yes or no to a request for money, and that's it when it comes to the squad matters. Whilst there is a direct link to Burke and his role in players leaving or arriving, after all that is part of his job, nothing links Barber to any decision as to who we bring in or let go.
When the approach for Grabban was made Barber said yes to a million being available to buy him so it stands to reason that money was available to bring Conway in, the fact that Conway didn't come, is an issue better directed to Burke and Oscar or to Conway, I don't see how Barber enters into the Conway question.
Kwaidam, Vegas and others have posted some interesting and valid points which are worthy of consideration.
Clearly Oscar has faced a difficult time with injuries and departures (Barnes & Bridcutt) etc and had a steep learning curve but still achieved some success especially with the young players eg Ince.
I would however make two comments.
Firstly I don't think the Oscar - Burke combination works. For a Head Coach like Oscar with his relative lack of knowledge of the English League and reserved nature one needs a more positive , pro-active Director of Football / Head of Football than Burke someone similar to Jordi Cruyff whom Oscar worked with at Tel Aviv. If Burke is your man as Head of Football then arguably you need more of a Manager than an Oscar type Head Coach someone who knows who he wants to sign etc. I feel Oscar and Burke are mutually exclusive and I know which of the two I would want to retain.
Secondly if I had one criticism of Oscar it is his over reliance on Statistics. One cannot judge performances just by the number of passes made or the percentage of possession in a match witness that against both Ipswich and Middlesbrough we had between 63% and 65% possession but lost both matches 2 - 0. The only stat that matters is whether one has scored more Goals than the opposition. As everybody knows It has been our lack of even moderately clinical finishing that has let us down this season. It is not as if we are not creating chances.
With regards to the main subject of this thread ie Buckley and his injury problems, exciting player that he is to watch I wonder whether we might be best served to get him fit (and demonstrate he is) and then sell him while there is still 2 plus years left on his contract. Talking of moving players on I would make much the same comment about Agustein who has proved most disappointing.
Whilst it is looking increasingly unlikely that we will make the play-offs it is still feasible for us to finish in the top 6 so the next few weeks should prove interesting. At the very least Oscar should learn how he needs to restructure the Squad for next season. UTA.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Kwaidam, some will agree with the ten points you have highlighted, some will not, and some will aree in part to what you have written. One point I would ask you to reconsider is the role that you assume Barber has when it comes to the selling, buying or borrowing of players. Barber's role is one of financial matters, he either says yes or no to a request for money, and that's it when it comes to the squad matters. Whilst there is a direct link to Burke and his role in players leaving or arriving, after all that is part of his job, nothing links Barber to any decision as to who we bring in or let go. When the approach for Grabban was made Barber said yes to a million being available to buy him so it stands to reason that money was available to bring Conway in, the fact that Conway didn't come, is an issue better directed to Burke and Oscar or to Conway, I don't see how Barber enters into the Conway question.[/p][/quote]Kwaidam, Vegas and others have posted some interesting and valid points which are worthy of consideration. Clearly Oscar has faced a difficult time with injuries and departures (Barnes & Bridcutt) etc and had a steep learning curve but still achieved some success especially with the young players eg Ince. I would however make two comments. Firstly I don't think the Oscar - Burke combination works. For a Head Coach like Oscar with his relative lack of knowledge of the English League and reserved nature one needs a more positive , pro-active Director of Football / Head of Football than Burke someone similar to Jordi Cruyff whom Oscar worked with at Tel Aviv. If Burke is your man as Head of Football then arguably you need more of a Manager than an Oscar type Head Coach someone who knows who he wants to sign etc. I feel Oscar and Burke are mutually exclusive and I know which of the two I would want to retain. Secondly if I had one criticism of Oscar it is his over reliance on Statistics. One cannot judge performances just by the number of passes made or the percentage of possession in a match witness that against both Ipswich and Middlesbrough we had between 63% and 65% possession but lost both matches 2 - 0. The only stat that matters is whether one has scored more Goals than the opposition. As everybody knows It has been our lack of even moderately clinical finishing that has let us down this season. It is not as if we are not creating chances. With regards to the main subject of this thread ie Buckley and his injury problems, exciting player that he is to watch I wonder whether we might be best served to get him fit (and demonstrate he is) and then sell him while there is still 2 plus years left on his contract. Talking of moving players on I would make much the same comment about Agustein who has proved most disappointing. Whilst it is looking increasingly unlikely that we will make the play-offs it is still feasible for us to finish in the top 6 so the next few weeks should prove interesting. At the very least Oscar should learn how he needs to restructure the Squad for next season. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 6

3:13pm Mon 31 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

Ballantrrae, for me the last matches of this seaosn are all about next season, and I don't mean promotion. We are currently in a position where every point counts, a time when the squad has to step up, and it appears that for what ever reasons, some of the players are not meeting the required level to gain a playoff place.
I tend to agree with your comments re, Burke and Oscar, neither one has a dynamic personality, and at times I think a club needs a more focal personality to get behind.
I have no idea as to who made the decisions that saw the failed loanees arrive at the club, and to be honest I don't care, the important thing is that we learn from those poor appointments. I do wonder how much Oscar was involved in those decisions, simply because he really didn't use them.
I have no problem with Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd leaving, all wanted to go for different reasons, and I don't think it would have been right to block any of the moves.

I do think Oscar should be allowed to rebuild the squad, and when he sets about that task we should hear more from him regarding, 'his,' transfer targets, 'he,' should tell us, probably after the event, why, 'he,' chose who ever he brings in, Oscar needs to put, 'his,' stamp on next year's squad. Burke should have a role in the rebuild but not in a way where he tells Oscar who should come in and who should go out, and Jones shouldn't have a part to play at all in the rebuild. Assistants don't make policy they simply offer observations and it is for others to decide the value of those observations.

The club should, very soon, be awash with money and Oscar must be given his slice of that new money to work with. The new Nike shirt deal added to the money from the sale of the naming rights to our new facility, will boost the club's financial position to a level we have never seen.
Ballantrrae, for me the last matches of this seaosn are all about next season, and I don't mean promotion. We are currently in a position where every point counts, a time when the squad has to step up, and it appears that for what ever reasons, some of the players are not meeting the required level to gain a playoff place. I tend to agree with your comments re, Burke and Oscar, neither one has a dynamic personality, and at times I think a club needs a more focal personality to get behind. I have no idea as to who made the decisions that saw the failed loanees arrive at the club, and to be honest I don't care, the important thing is that we learn from those poor appointments. I do wonder how much Oscar was involved in those decisions, simply because he really didn't use them. I have no problem with Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd leaving, all wanted to go for different reasons, and I don't think it would have been right to block any of the moves. I do think Oscar should be allowed to rebuild the squad, and when he sets about that task we should hear more from him regarding, 'his,' transfer targets, 'he,' should tell us, probably after the event, why, 'he,' chose who ever he brings in, Oscar needs to put, 'his,' stamp on next year's squad. Burke should have a role in the rebuild but not in a way where he tells Oscar who should come in and who should go out, and Jones shouldn't have a part to play at all in the rebuild. Assistants don't make policy they simply offer observations and it is for others to decide the value of those observations. The club should, very soon, be awash with money and Oscar must be given his slice of that new money to work with. The new Nike shirt deal added to the money from the sale of the naming rights to our new facility, will boost the club's financial position to a level we have never seen. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

4:13pm Mon 31 Mar 14

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Ballantrrae, for me the last matches of this seaosn are all about next season, and I don't mean promotion. We are currently in a position where every point counts, a time when the squad has to step up, and it appears that for what ever reasons, some of the players are not meeting the required level to gain a playoff place.
I tend to agree with your comments re, Burke and Oscar, neither one has a dynamic personality, and at times I think a club needs a more focal personality to get behind.
I have no idea as to who made the decisions that saw the failed loanees arrive at the club, and to be honest I don't care, the important thing is that we learn from those poor appointments. I do wonder how much Oscar was involved in those decisions, simply because he really didn't use them.
I have no problem with Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd leaving, all wanted to go for different reasons, and I don't think it would have been right to block any of the moves.

I do think Oscar should be allowed to rebuild the squad, and when he sets about that task we should hear more from him regarding, 'his,' transfer targets, 'he,' should tell us, probably after the event, why, 'he,' chose who ever he brings in, Oscar needs to put, 'his,' stamp on next year's squad. Burke should have a role in the rebuild but not in a way where he tells Oscar who should come in and who should go out, and Jones shouldn't have a part to play at all in the rebuild. Assistants don't make policy they simply offer observations and it is for others to decide the value of those observations.

The club should, very soon, be awash with money and Oscar must be given his slice of that new money to work with. The new Nike shirt deal added to the money from the sale of the naming rights to our new facility, will boost the club's financial position to a level we have never seen.
Vegas I went to a Seagull Over London meeting last Thursday where David Jones BHA's Financial Director was the main 'Guest/Speaker'. You might be interested to know that he confirmed that from an FFP viewpoint the club did not need to sell any of the players who departed in the January Window.
I think we are both agreed that Oscar will no doubt learn from this season and needs to rebuild the squad precisely as he wants. It might be quite instructive to see the result.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Ballantrrae, for me the last matches of this seaosn are all about next season, and I don't mean promotion. We are currently in a position where every point counts, a time when the squad has to step up, and it appears that for what ever reasons, some of the players are not meeting the required level to gain a playoff place. I tend to agree with your comments re, Burke and Oscar, neither one has a dynamic personality, and at times I think a club needs a more focal personality to get behind. I have no idea as to who made the decisions that saw the failed loanees arrive at the club, and to be honest I don't care, the important thing is that we learn from those poor appointments. I do wonder how much Oscar was involved in those decisions, simply because he really didn't use them. I have no problem with Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd leaving, all wanted to go for different reasons, and I don't think it would have been right to block any of the moves. I do think Oscar should be allowed to rebuild the squad, and when he sets about that task we should hear more from him regarding, 'his,' transfer targets, 'he,' should tell us, probably after the event, why, 'he,' chose who ever he brings in, Oscar needs to put, 'his,' stamp on next year's squad. Burke should have a role in the rebuild but not in a way where he tells Oscar who should come in and who should go out, and Jones shouldn't have a part to play at all in the rebuild. Assistants don't make policy they simply offer observations and it is for others to decide the value of those observations. The club should, very soon, be awash with money and Oscar must be given his slice of that new money to work with. The new Nike shirt deal added to the money from the sale of the naming rights to our new facility, will boost the club's financial position to a level we have never seen.[/p][/quote]Vegas I went to a Seagull Over London meeting last Thursday where David Jones BHA's Financial Director was the main 'Guest/Speaker'. You might be interested to know that he confirmed that from an FFP viewpoint the club did not need to sell any of the players who departed in the January Window. I think we are both agreed that Oscar will no doubt learn from this season and needs to rebuild the squad precisely as he wants. It might be quite instructive to see the result. ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

4:37pm Mon 31 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

ballantrrae wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Ballantrrae, for me the last matches of this seaosn are all about next season, and I don't mean promotion. We are currently in a position where every point counts, a time when the squad has to step up, and it appears that for what ever reasons, some of the players are not meeting the required level to gain a playoff place.
I tend to agree with your comments re, Burke and Oscar, neither one has a dynamic personality, and at times I think a club needs a more focal personality to get behind.
I have no idea as to who made the decisions that saw the failed loanees arrive at the club, and to be honest I don't care, the important thing is that we learn from those poor appointments. I do wonder how much Oscar was involved in those decisions, simply because he really didn't use them.
I have no problem with Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd leaving, all wanted to go for different reasons, and I don't think it would have been right to block any of the moves.

I do think Oscar should be allowed to rebuild the squad, and when he sets about that task we should hear more from him regarding, 'his,' transfer targets, 'he,' should tell us, probably after the event, why, 'he,' chose who ever he brings in, Oscar needs to put, 'his,' stamp on next year's squad. Burke should have a role in the rebuild but not in a way where he tells Oscar who should come in and who should go out, and Jones shouldn't have a part to play at all in the rebuild. Assistants don't make policy they simply offer observations and it is for others to decide the value of those observations.

The club should, very soon, be awash with money and Oscar must be given his slice of that new money to work with. The new Nike shirt deal added to the money from the sale of the naming rights to our new facility, will boost the club's financial position to a level we have never seen.
Vegas I went to a Seagull Over London meeting last Thursday where David Jones BHA's Financial Director was the main 'Guest/Speaker'. You might be interested to know that he confirmed that from an FFP viewpoint the club did not need to sell any of the players who departed in the January Window.
I think we are both agreed that Oscar will no doubt learn from this season and needs to rebuild the squad precisely as he wants. It might be quite instructive to see the result.
It's almost as tho the club hoped for promotion this season but have set in place measures that will allow for a drive for the top next season. As you report, the club didn't need to sell in order to meet the FFP rules, that means that money is being made by the club.
The Nike, and the naming rights, deals have obviously been long in the making and have come too late to make a difference this year, I doubt that the new money was ever intended to be spent on this season.
I think that the prospect of Oscar building a new squad is an exciting one, I think the basic game plan won't change but I hope that we see better, younger and faster lads implimenting it. There is nothing wrong with making a dozen or more passes within 25 yards of your own goal mouth if 3 passes later you are on the edge of the oppo's 18 yard box.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Ballantrrae, for me the last matches of this seaosn are all about next season, and I don't mean promotion. We are currently in a position where every point counts, a time when the squad has to step up, and it appears that for what ever reasons, some of the players are not meeting the required level to gain a playoff place. I tend to agree with your comments re, Burke and Oscar, neither one has a dynamic personality, and at times I think a club needs a more focal personality to get behind. I have no idea as to who made the decisions that saw the failed loanees arrive at the club, and to be honest I don't care, the important thing is that we learn from those poor appointments. I do wonder how much Oscar was involved in those decisions, simply because he really didn't use them. I have no problem with Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd leaving, all wanted to go for different reasons, and I don't think it would have been right to block any of the moves. I do think Oscar should be allowed to rebuild the squad, and when he sets about that task we should hear more from him regarding, 'his,' transfer targets, 'he,' should tell us, probably after the event, why, 'he,' chose who ever he brings in, Oscar needs to put, 'his,' stamp on next year's squad. Burke should have a role in the rebuild but not in a way where he tells Oscar who should come in and who should go out, and Jones shouldn't have a part to play at all in the rebuild. Assistants don't make policy they simply offer observations and it is for others to decide the value of those observations. The club should, very soon, be awash with money and Oscar must be given his slice of that new money to work with. The new Nike shirt deal added to the money from the sale of the naming rights to our new facility, will boost the club's financial position to a level we have never seen.[/p][/quote]Vegas I went to a Seagull Over London meeting last Thursday where David Jones BHA's Financial Director was the main 'Guest/Speaker'. You might be interested to know that he confirmed that from an FFP viewpoint the club did not need to sell any of the players who departed in the January Window. I think we are both agreed that Oscar will no doubt learn from this season and needs to rebuild the squad precisely as he wants. It might be quite instructive to see the result.[/p][/quote]It's almost as tho the club hoped for promotion this season but have set in place measures that will allow for a drive for the top next season. As you report, the club didn't need to sell in order to meet the FFP rules, that means that money is being made by the club. The Nike, and the naming rights, deals have obviously been long in the making and have come too late to make a difference this year, I doubt that the new money was ever intended to be spent on this season. I think that the prospect of Oscar building a new squad is an exciting one, I think the basic game plan won't change but I hope that we see better, younger and faster lads implimenting it. There is nothing wrong with making a dozen or more passes within 25 yards of your own goal mouth if 3 passes later you are on the edge of the oppo's 18 yard box. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

5:12pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

The important thing is that if there is going to be an extensive overhaul of the squad then it has to be done early enough for all the new players to have a full pre-season with OG. Leave it to the last minute and we'll have another underbaked beginning to the season.
The important thing is that if there is going to be an extensive overhaul of the squad then it has to be done early enough for all the new players to have a full pre-season with OG. Leave it to the last minute and we'll have another underbaked beginning to the season. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 5

5:28pm Mon 31 Mar 14

The Bosch says...

Orlandi,Buckley,Hosk
ins,and Agustien still out with injury again.What pure vile freeloaders.Weak rich boys that need to man up.Get them all off the wage bill asap.Swansea didn't just wake up one day and say lets give Brighton 2 prem-league players lol hahaha.Both are vile freeloaders along with Hoskins just after free money.Bet that thing plays a few games at the end still just to confirm a knew deal.
Orlandi,Buckley,Hosk ins,and Agustien still out with injury again.What pure vile freeloaders.Weak rich boys that need to man up.Get them all off the wage bill asap.Swansea didn't just wake up one day and say lets give Brighton 2 prem-league players lol hahaha.Both are vile freeloaders along with Hoskins just after free money.Bet that thing plays a few games at the end still just to confirm a knew deal. The Bosch
  • Score: -6

6:30pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Ontheline says...

The Bosch wrote:
Orlandi,Buckley,Hosk

ins,and Agustien still out with injury again.What pure vile freeloaders.Weak rich boys that need to man up.Get them all off the wage bill asap.Swansea didn't just wake up one day and say lets give Brighton 2 prem-league players lol hahaha.Both are vile freeloaders along with Hoskins just after free money.Bet that thing plays a few games at the end still just to confirm a knew deal.
Your comments are vile!
[quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: Orlandi,Buckley,Hosk ins,and Agustien still out with injury again.What pure vile freeloaders.Weak rich boys that need to man up.Get them all off the wage bill asap.Swansea didn't just wake up one day and say lets give Brighton 2 prem-league players lol hahaha.Both are vile freeloaders along with Hoskins just after free money.Bet that thing plays a few games at the end still just to confirm a knew deal.[/p][/quote]Your comments are vile! Ontheline
  • Score: 11

9:15pm Mon 31 Mar 14

kwaidam says...

Vegas. I do agree with what you say about Barber and do value your input on this site. I would hope you are right in that he doesn't have a say in signings or transfers. However, as chief executive he will surely give his final recommendation before passing anything with TB. It is Barber's responsibility to set an agenda and a strategy and some of the decisions taken at boardroom level, in my view, have been questionable to say the least. Clearly the dynamic between Oscar, Jones and Burke is not as it should be. The buck stops with the manager and yet he has clearly not been allowed the resources to source players he wants. (Agustien, Lita, Obika are examples). Yet he has done remarkably well to get as much as he has done out of a squad which is markedly poorer than last season and one which has been blighted by injuries. I wasparticularly disappointed when Ash and AEA were told they were surplus to requirements and the inability to give Conway what he wanted to come back. It all comes down to contracts and while Burke and Barber are obviously very comfy there appears to be a them and us attitude between the hierarchy and the players. The fact TK has not been offered a new deal, which andy naylor highlighted a fortnight ago, is bordering on utter madness. At the rate we are going TK, WB, LU and KL will be off, as will Oscar, and we will be left with Nathan Jones as 'head coach' and he will get a load of yeovil rejects in. There is a malaise setting in and it could be very infectious. But, hey, Vegas, keep your comments, thoughts and insights coming. This is, after all, a sensibe debate and, at the end of the day, we all want a successful Albion on and off the pitch.
Vegas. I do agree with what you say about Barber and do value your input on this site. I would hope you are right in that he doesn't have a say in signings or transfers. However, as chief executive he will surely give his final recommendation before passing anything with TB. It is Barber's responsibility to set an agenda and a strategy and some of the decisions taken at boardroom level, in my view, have been questionable to say the least. Clearly the dynamic between Oscar, Jones and Burke is not as it should be. The buck stops with the manager and yet he has clearly not been allowed the resources to source players he wants. (Agustien, Lita, Obika are examples). Yet he has done remarkably well to get as much as he has done out of a squad which is markedly poorer than last season and one which has been blighted by injuries. I wasparticularly disappointed when Ash and AEA were told they were surplus to requirements and the inability to give Conway what he wanted to come back. It all comes down to contracts and while Burke and Barber are obviously very comfy there appears to be a them and us attitude between the hierarchy and the players. The fact TK has not been offered a new deal, which andy naylor highlighted a fortnight ago, is bordering on utter madness. At the rate we are going TK, WB, LU and KL will be off, as will Oscar, and we will be left with Nathan Jones as 'head coach' and he will get a load of yeovil rejects in. There is a malaise setting in and it could be very infectious. But, hey, Vegas, keep your comments, thoughts and insights coming. This is, after all, a sensibe debate and, at the end of the day, we all want a successful Albion on and off the pitch. kwaidam
  • Score: 6

9:34pm Mon 31 Mar 14

kwaidam says...

ps Vegas. The loss of Bridcutt plus the injuries to Ulloa, Orlandi and Crofts shaped our season. I am not one of these play-offs are the b-all and end-all of things but you just crave some progression and a sense of unity on the pitch and the terraces which there isn't. In fact, there is no question the team has gone backwards this season - with only the emergence of Ince something to cheer about - and whatever feel-good factor we have had over the last 3 seasons has gradually been eroded, starting with the play-off second leg humiliation. I was disgusted to hear the boos at halftime against Boro though. There had been plenty of endeavour and the usual wasted opportunities but not much else. Even so, it did not warrant the boos.
ps Vegas. The loss of Bridcutt plus the injuries to Ulloa, Orlandi and Crofts shaped our season. I am not one of these play-offs are the b-all and end-all of things but you just crave some progression and a sense of unity on the pitch and the terraces which there isn't. In fact, there is no question the team has gone backwards this season - with only the emergence of Ince something to cheer about - and whatever feel-good factor we have had over the last 3 seasons has gradually been eroded, starting with the play-off second leg humiliation. I was disgusted to hear the boos at halftime against Boro though. There had been plenty of endeavour and the usual wasted opportunities but not much else. Even so, it did not warrant the boos. kwaidam
  • Score: 1

9:39pm Mon 31 Mar 14

VegasSeagull says...

kwaidam wrote:
Vegas. I do agree with what you say about Barber and do value your input on this site. I would hope you are right in that he doesn't have a say in signings or transfers. However, as chief executive he will surely give his final recommendation before passing anything with TB. It is Barber's responsibility to set an agenda and a strategy and some of the decisions taken at boardroom level, in my view, have been questionable to say the least. Clearly the dynamic between Oscar, Jones and Burke is not as it should be. The buck stops with the manager and yet he has clearly not been allowed the resources to source players he wants. (Agustien, Lita, Obika are examples). Yet he has done remarkably well to get as much as he has done out of a squad which is markedly poorer than last season and one which has been blighted by injuries. I wasparticularly disappointed when Ash and AEA were told they were surplus to requirements and the inability to give Conway what he wanted to come back. It all comes down to contracts and while Burke and Barber are obviously very comfy there appears to be a them and us attitude between the hierarchy and the players. The fact TK has not been offered a new deal, which andy naylor highlighted a fortnight ago, is bordering on utter madness. At the rate we are going TK, WB, LU and KL will be off, as will Oscar, and we will be left with Nathan Jones as 'head coach' and he will get a load of yeovil rejects in. There is a malaise setting in and it could be very infectious. But, hey, Vegas, keep your comments, thoughts and insights coming. This is, after all, a sensibe debate and, at the end of the day, we all want a successful Albion on and off the pitch.
Kwaidam I am not sure that Barnes and El-Abd were told that they were surplus to requirements, Barnes had a contract on the table and El-Abd wanted to go as he wasn't getting enough playing time. Had they both wanted to stay I am sure Oscar would have been pleased to have them.

Barber, as Chief Exec wouldn't ave a final recommendation regarding transfers, he either provides the funds or doesn't as far as players are cocerend. I could see Barber having a lot of say in other areas of expenditure, and I may be over simplifying his role re transfers, areas that pertain to our infrastructure spending as an example. I think he also has a big hand in improving and or creating revenue streams.

I once has a job where I was 100% responsible for increasing turnover, and by doing so profits, my boss had 100% control over spending, it worked. I brought in new money and he invested as he saw fit to enable me to build the business even more, I think Barber is saddled with both roles, he not only has to raise money for the club, something he seems to be doing rather well, he also has to control expenditures.
[quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: Vegas. I do agree with what you say about Barber and do value your input on this site. I would hope you are right in that he doesn't have a say in signings or transfers. However, as chief executive he will surely give his final recommendation before passing anything with TB. It is Barber's responsibility to set an agenda and a strategy and some of the decisions taken at boardroom level, in my view, have been questionable to say the least. Clearly the dynamic between Oscar, Jones and Burke is not as it should be. The buck stops with the manager and yet he has clearly not been allowed the resources to source players he wants. (Agustien, Lita, Obika are examples). Yet he has done remarkably well to get as much as he has done out of a squad which is markedly poorer than last season and one which has been blighted by injuries. I wasparticularly disappointed when Ash and AEA were told they were surplus to requirements and the inability to give Conway what he wanted to come back. It all comes down to contracts and while Burke and Barber are obviously very comfy there appears to be a them and us attitude between the hierarchy and the players. The fact TK has not been offered a new deal, which andy naylor highlighted a fortnight ago, is bordering on utter madness. At the rate we are going TK, WB, LU and KL will be off, as will Oscar, and we will be left with Nathan Jones as 'head coach' and he will get a load of yeovil rejects in. There is a malaise setting in and it could be very infectious. But, hey, Vegas, keep your comments, thoughts and insights coming. This is, after all, a sensibe debate and, at the end of the day, we all want a successful Albion on and off the pitch.[/p][/quote]Kwaidam I am not sure that Barnes and El-Abd were told that they were surplus to requirements, Barnes had a contract on the table and El-Abd wanted to go as he wasn't getting enough playing time. Had they both wanted to stay I am sure Oscar would have been pleased to have them. Barber, as Chief Exec wouldn't ave a final recommendation regarding transfers, he either provides the funds or doesn't as far as players are cocerend. I could see Barber having a lot of say in other areas of expenditure, and I may be over simplifying his role re transfers, areas that pertain to our infrastructure spending as an example. I think he also has a big hand in improving and or creating revenue streams. I once has a job where I was 100% responsible for increasing turnover, and by doing so profits, my boss had 100% control over spending, it worked. I brought in new money and he invested as he saw fit to enable me to build the business even more, I think Barber is saddled with both roles, he not only has to raise money for the club, something he seems to be doing rather well, he also has to control expenditures. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

11:22pm Mon 31 Mar 14

kwaidam says...

Vegas.. Points taken... But both ash and Adam wanted to stay. Ash was offered no deal but was told to wait until the summer. Adam was on a one year deal but was told to go. The problem I have is no loyalty was shown to either player. Football is not a cold hard business as it relies on goodwill of many people. Although the likes of burke and barber will no doubt tell you otherwise from their comfy seats in theboardroom... What happened to ash and Adam sent out the wrong messages to every player of the squad.
Vegas.. Points taken... But both ash and Adam wanted to stay. Ash was offered no deal but was told to wait until the summer. Adam was on a one year deal but was told to go. The problem I have is no loyalty was shown to either player. Football is not a cold hard business as it relies on goodwill of many people. Although the likes of burke and barber will no doubt tell you otherwise from their comfy seats in theboardroom... What happened to ash and Adam sent out the wrong messages to every player of the squad. kwaidam
  • Score: 2

12:39am Tue 1 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

kwaidam wrote:
Vegas.. Points taken... But both ash and Adam wanted to stay. Ash was offered no deal but was told to wait until the summer. Adam was on a one year deal but was told to go. The problem I have is no loyalty was shown to either player. Football is not a cold hard business as it relies on goodwill of many people. Although the likes of burke and barber will no doubt tell you otherwise from their comfy seats in theboardroom... What happened to ash and Adam sent out the wrong messages to every player of the squad.
I thought it was widely accepted that Ashley barnes had been offered a new contract at the beginning of the season but had not signed it?

Also, loyalty works both ways - the club were loyal to Liam Bridcutt and look what he did. When you know the other side can stiff you whenever they like it makes it very hard to completely trust them, so sometimes you get your retaliation in first, so to speak.
[quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: Vegas.. Points taken... But both ash and Adam wanted to stay. Ash was offered no deal but was told to wait until the summer. Adam was on a one year deal but was told to go. The problem I have is no loyalty was shown to either player. Football is not a cold hard business as it relies on goodwill of many people. Although the likes of burke and barber will no doubt tell you otherwise from their comfy seats in theboardroom... What happened to ash and Adam sent out the wrong messages to every player of the squad.[/p][/quote]I thought it was widely accepted that Ashley barnes had been offered a new contract at the beginning of the season but had not signed it? Also, loyalty works both ways - the club were loyal to Liam Bridcutt and look what he did. When you know the other side can stiff you whenever they like it makes it very hard to completely trust them, so sometimes you get your retaliation in first, so to speak. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

1:19am Tue 1 Apr 14

kwaidam says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
Vegas.. Points taken... But both ash and Adam wanted to stay. Ash was offered no deal but was told to wait until the summer. Adam was on a one year deal but was told to go. The problem I have is no loyalty was shown to either player. Football is not a cold hard business as it relies on goodwill of many people. Although the likes of burke and barber will no doubt tell you otherwise from their comfy seats in theboardroom... What happened to ash and Adam sent out the wrong messages to every player of the squad.
I thought it was widely accepted that Ashley barnes had been offered a new contract at the beginning of the season but had not signed it?

Also, loyalty works both ways - the club were loyal to Liam Bridcutt and look what he did. When you know the other side can stiff you whenever they like it makes it very hard to completely trust them, so sometimes you get your retaliation in first, so to speak.
Fair point armie about loyalty. Yet I do suggest there have been wrong messages sent out to the players... Hey, we all need to feel loved.. And I'm not sure the players feel the love at the moment, I know us fans don't feel loved much. maybe we're all too loyal for our own good sometimes. But I do understand where you are coming from. I have got a few things off my chest today and feel better for it, thanks to the fellow fans on here. Bhafc forever.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: Vegas.. Points taken... But both ash and Adam wanted to stay. Ash was offered no deal but was told to wait until the summer. Adam was on a one year deal but was told to go. The problem I have is no loyalty was shown to either player. Football is not a cold hard business as it relies on goodwill of many people. Although the likes of burke and barber will no doubt tell you otherwise from their comfy seats in theboardroom... What happened to ash and Adam sent out the wrong messages to every player of the squad.[/p][/quote]I thought it was widely accepted that Ashley barnes had been offered a new contract at the beginning of the season but had not signed it? Also, loyalty works both ways - the club were loyal to Liam Bridcutt and look what he did. When you know the other side can stiff you whenever they like it makes it very hard to completely trust them, so sometimes you get your retaliation in first, so to speak.[/p][/quote]Fair point armie about loyalty. Yet I do suggest there have been wrong messages sent out to the players... Hey, we all need to feel loved.. And I'm not sure the players feel the love at the moment, I know us fans don't feel loved much. maybe we're all too loyal for our own good sometimes. But I do understand where you are coming from. I have got a few things off my chest today and feel better for it, thanks to the fellow fans on here. Bhafc forever. kwaidam
  • Score: 1

1:32am Tue 1 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

Barnes had a contract on the table and didn't pick it up, he chose to go. El-Abd thought he did enough to keep his place when standing in, that didn't happen, I think he got a tad p'ed off over that. There was a chance for him to go and the club owed him his wish to move, as a long and loyal servant of the club it was right not to block his move.

I am very happy with the work being done by Barber, Burke, not so sure but he too is under strict guide lines not to over spend so maybe I will wait for the summer to decide about him. One thing that we know for certain is that there is a very strict earnings to spending ratio being enforced, and long term that can only be a good thing.
Barnes had a contract on the table and didn't pick it up, he chose to go. El-Abd thought he did enough to keep his place when standing in, that didn't happen, I think he got a tad p'ed off over that. There was a chance for him to go and the club owed him his wish to move, as a long and loyal servant of the club it was right not to block his move. I am very happy with the work being done by Barber, Burke, not so sure but he too is under strict guide lines not to over spend so maybe I will wait for the summer to decide about him. One thing that we know for certain is that there is a very strict earnings to spending ratio being enforced, and long term that can only be a good thing. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

3:41am Tue 1 Apr 14

Hugothepug says...

...on a positive note Buckley out Means March most defiantly in. In my book that is a very adequate replacement. UTA
...on a positive note Buckley out Means March most defiantly in. In my book that is a very adequate replacement. UTA Hugothepug
  • Score: 2

4:18am Tue 1 Apr 14

The Bosch says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
Vegas. I do agree with what you say about Barber and do value your input on this site. I would hope you are right in that he doesn't have a say in signings or transfers. However, as chief executive he will surely give his final recommendation before passing anything with TB. It is Barber's responsibility to set an agenda and a strategy and some of the decisions taken at boardroom level, in my view, have been questionable to say the least. Clearly the dynamic between Oscar, Jones and Burke is not as it should be. The buck stops with the manager and yet he has clearly not been allowed the resources to source players he wants. (Agustien, Lita, Obika are examples). Yet he has done remarkably well to get as much as he has done out of a squad which is markedly poorer than last season and one which has been blighted by injuries. I wasparticularly disappointed when Ash and AEA were told they were surplus to requirements and the inability to give Conway what he wanted to come back. It all comes down to contracts and while Burke and Barber are obviously very comfy there appears to be a them and us attitude between the hierarchy and the players. The fact TK has not been offered a new deal, which andy naylor highlighted a fortnight ago, is bordering on utter madness. At the rate we are going TK, WB, LU and KL will be off, as will Oscar, and we will be left with Nathan Jones as 'head coach' and he will get a load of yeovil rejects in. There is a malaise setting in and it could be very infectious. But, hey, Vegas, keep your comments, thoughts and insights coming. This is, after all, a sensibe debate and, at the end of the day, we all want a successful Albion on and off the pitch.
Kwaidam I am not sure that Barnes and El-Abd were told that they were surplus to requirements, Barnes had a contract on the table and El-Abd wanted to go as he wasn't getting enough playing time. Had they both wanted to stay I am sure Oscar would have been pleased to have them.

Barber, as Chief Exec wouldn't ave a final recommendation regarding transfers, he either provides the funds or doesn't as far as players are cocerend. I could see Barber having a lot of say in other areas of expenditure, and I may be over simplifying his role re transfers, areas that pertain to our infrastructure spending as an example. I think he also has a big hand in improving and or creating revenue streams.

I once has a job where I was 100% responsible for increasing turnover, and by doing so profits, my boss had 100% control over spending, it worked. I brought in new money and he invested as he saw fit to enable me to build the business even more, I think Barber is saddled with both roles, he not only has to raise money for the club, something he seems to be doing rather well, he also has to control expenditures.
What pure lies.Adam didn't want to up sticks and move his family in a million years.Bristol city didn't want Dunk back after what it was like while on loan you will find.The Albion wanted to save some more money so poor old Adam was told he must go.If the clubs press men told the Argus to say night was day you would believe it.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: Vegas. I do agree with what you say about Barber and do value your input on this site. I would hope you are right in that he doesn't have a say in signings or transfers. However, as chief executive he will surely give his final recommendation before passing anything with TB. It is Barber's responsibility to set an agenda and a strategy and some of the decisions taken at boardroom level, in my view, have been questionable to say the least. Clearly the dynamic between Oscar, Jones and Burke is not as it should be. The buck stops with the manager and yet he has clearly not been allowed the resources to source players he wants. (Agustien, Lita, Obika are examples). Yet he has done remarkably well to get as much as he has done out of a squad which is markedly poorer than last season and one which has been blighted by injuries. I wasparticularly disappointed when Ash and AEA were told they were surplus to requirements and the inability to give Conway what he wanted to come back. It all comes down to contracts and while Burke and Barber are obviously very comfy there appears to be a them and us attitude between the hierarchy and the players. The fact TK has not been offered a new deal, which andy naylor highlighted a fortnight ago, is bordering on utter madness. At the rate we are going TK, WB, LU and KL will be off, as will Oscar, and we will be left with Nathan Jones as 'head coach' and he will get a load of yeovil rejects in. There is a malaise setting in and it could be very infectious. But, hey, Vegas, keep your comments, thoughts and insights coming. This is, after all, a sensibe debate and, at the end of the day, we all want a successful Albion on and off the pitch.[/p][/quote]Kwaidam I am not sure that Barnes and El-Abd were told that they were surplus to requirements, Barnes had a contract on the table and El-Abd wanted to go as he wasn't getting enough playing time. Had they both wanted to stay I am sure Oscar would have been pleased to have them. Barber, as Chief Exec wouldn't ave a final recommendation regarding transfers, he either provides the funds or doesn't as far as players are cocerend. I could see Barber having a lot of say in other areas of expenditure, and I may be over simplifying his role re transfers, areas that pertain to our infrastructure spending as an example. I think he also has a big hand in improving and or creating revenue streams. I once has a job where I was 100% responsible for increasing turnover, and by doing so profits, my boss had 100% control over spending, it worked. I brought in new money and he invested as he saw fit to enable me to build the business even more, I think Barber is saddled with both roles, he not only has to raise money for the club, something he seems to be doing rather well, he also has to control expenditures.[/p][/quote]What pure lies.Adam didn't want to up sticks and move his family in a million years.Bristol city didn't want Dunk back after what it was like while on loan you will find.The Albion wanted to save some more money so poor old Adam was told he must go.If the clubs press men told the Argus to say night was day you would believe it. The Bosch
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