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Albion found it tough, says Barnsley boss

The Argus: Barnsley right-back Kelvin Etuhu is sent off Barnsley right-back Kelvin Etuhu is sent off

Danny Wilson reckons Albion found the going tough at Oakwell.

But the Barnsley boss was disappointed his side did not win yesterday’s tussle.

Wilson was unhappy with the dismissal of his right-back Kelvin Etuhu in the 0-0 draw.

He said: “We felt we could have got maximum points, we really did.

“Brighton, as good as they are, know Oakwell is a difficult place to come and I’m sure they will agree with that.

“Yes, they had a couple of opportunities towards the end but would it have been a fair reflection had they won it? I very much doubt it.!

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8:15am Sun 6 Apr 14

raymondo999 says...

Seems everyone has been urging Oscar to pick an attacking line up. Seems he did yesterday and still no goals. I'm tired of hearing about Oscars pedigree, difficult situation, we were better but didn't take our chances. Fact: much of the football this season has been boring and we have gone backwards. Nice to hear from Danny Wilson : remember him surging forward at the goldstone. Now to Leicester....
Seems everyone has been urging Oscar to pick an attacking line up. Seems he did yesterday and still no goals. I'm tired of hearing about Oscars pedigree, difficult situation, we were better but didn't take our chances. Fact: much of the football this season has been boring and we have gone backwards. Nice to hear from Danny Wilson : remember him surging forward at the goldstone. Now to Leicester.... raymondo999
  • Score: -7

8:26am Sun 6 Apr 14

Far gull says...

To add insult to injury. Vincent Kompany on match of the day ' Palace on their way to being a stable premiership side'. How things have moved on in twelve months.
To add insult to injury. Vincent Kompany on match of the day ' Palace on their way to being a stable premiership side'. How things have moved on in twelve months. Far gull
  • Score: -7

9:02am Sun 6 Apr 14

impose our game gull says...

Clearly there is a reason why Lua Lua never starts (and is eg then subbed at half time if he gets tired or his knees are an issue). Seeing as he scares opponents so much and gets 2 - 3 booked, dangerous free kicks etc - it may be good to get us sparked a little earlier on.

1 shot on target did suggest it was tricky for us!!

I'd like to see us run at defenders more when close to/ in to, the box

Remaining fixtures for us and those around us basically show it's still in our hands unless we may up at both Leicester AND against Charlton



UTA!!
Clearly there is a reason why Lua Lua never starts (and is eg then subbed at half time if he gets tired or his knees are an issue). Seeing as he scares opponents so much and gets 2 - 3 booked, dangerous free kicks etc - it may be good to get us sparked a little earlier on. 1 shot on target did suggest it was tricky for us!! I'd like to see us run at defenders more when close to/ in to, the box Remaining fixtures for us and those around us basically show it's still in our hands unless we may up at both Leicester AND against Charlton UTA!! impose our game gull
  • Score: 5

10:10am Sun 6 Apr 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Interesting interview with Kevin Keegan on radio 5 this morning. Talks about the style of play that Shanks and Paisley used and later managers who only played with one up. It wasn't good football and the fans didn't like it.
I like Oscar. He has a good pedigree and conducts himself impeccably but surely he must realise we can still play our passing game but play with more tempo and attacking options.
Depending on which way you look at it, was it 2 points lost or 1 gained yesterday. If you look at Barnsley's recent record it was 1 point gained but looking at their record and position in league we should have won the game.
I feel we need better players and that we may start next season with a side 50% different from now.
Our player recruitment needs to be much better.
I'm willing to give Oscar the benefit of the doubt but the clock is ticking. UTA
Interesting interview with Kevin Keegan on radio 5 this morning. Talks about the style of play that Shanks and Paisley used and later managers who only played with one up. It wasn't good football and the fans didn't like it. I like Oscar. He has a good pedigree and conducts himself impeccably but surely he must realise we can still play our passing game but play with more tempo and attacking options. Depending on which way you look at it, was it 2 points lost or 1 gained yesterday. If you look at Barnsley's recent record it was 1 point gained but looking at their record and position in league we should have won the game. I feel we need better players and that we may start next season with a side 50% different from now. Our player recruitment needs to be much better. I'm willing to give Oscar the benefit of the doubt but the clock is ticking. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 14

11:13am Sun 6 Apr 14

Weploughandmow says...

At the start of the season I would have taken a top ten finish and I still hold that view. Every club can talk about the odd few extra points they might have won that would see tem higher in the league, and yesterday was one of those. We are where we are and to see the playoff places featuring the three clubs that came down from the premiership isn't any surprise. Another great set of Saturdays at the Amex next year against good quality opposition, with an improved, Oscar-influenced squad training at state-of-the-art facilities will be just fine by me.
At the start of the season I would have taken a top ten finish and I still hold that view. Every club can talk about the odd few extra points they might have won that would see tem higher in the league, and yesterday was one of those. We are where we are and to see the playoff places featuring the three clubs that came down from the premiership isn't any surprise. Another great set of Saturdays at the Amex next year against good quality opposition, with an improved, Oscar-influenced squad training at state-of-the-art facilities will be just fine by me. Weploughandmow
  • Score: 19

11:35am Sun 6 Apr 14

old codger75 says...

So much focus on how Oscar is doing but what has he been asked to achieve?
Fans on here looking for promotion or at least the play-offs – but is that what the Club want? Poyet was disillusioned probably by the Club’s lack of urgency. He wanted Premiership quickly. I suspect the Club have a long term ambition – maybe five years and we are only in year 3
Garcia – who has a lot of experience developing young players - may well have been told he has to develop our own youngsters rather than spend big. Next year could be a transition period and by the end of the season Kuszczak, Bruno, Greer, Upson etc will all be gone. Then a new team built round a young squad : Dunk, Chicksen, Ince, Stephens, Forster-Caskey and March. Not many Spanish players but probably still plenty of ‘Spanish’ style in their play
So much focus on how Oscar is doing but what has he been asked to achieve? Fans on here looking for promotion or at least the play-offs – but is that what the Club want? Poyet was disillusioned probably by the Club’s lack of urgency. He wanted Premiership quickly. I suspect the Club have a long term ambition – maybe five years and we are only in year 3 Garcia – who has a lot of experience developing young players - may well have been told he has to develop our own youngsters rather than spend big. Next year could be a transition period and by the end of the season Kuszczak, Bruno, Greer, Upson etc will all be gone. Then a new team built round a young squad : Dunk, Chicksen, Ince, Stephens, Forster-Caskey and March. Not many Spanish players but probably still plenty of ‘Spanish’ style in their play old codger75
  • Score: 14

11:40am Sun 6 Apr 14

Gazza by the sea says...

With the age and consequent pace of our central defence it would be suicide to ditch the defensive midfielder from our favoured 4-1-4-1 formation. On that basis we cannot play 2 out and out strikers.

Major recruitment needed in the summer to make us genuine top 6 material. Central defence, creative midfielders that can last a whole season, left back, goalkeeper (2 if TK goes), another centre forward..........

Oh dear - hope that Nike deal is a record breaker.
With the age and consequent pace of our central defence it would be suicide to ditch the defensive midfielder from our favoured 4-1-4-1 formation. On that basis we cannot play 2 out and out strikers. Major recruitment needed in the summer to make us genuine top 6 material. Central defence, creative midfielders that can last a whole season, left back, goalkeeper (2 if TK goes), another centre forward.......... Oh dear - hope that Nike deal is a record breaker. Gazza by the sea
  • Score: 3

11:46am Sun 6 Apr 14

Dolph Ins says...

old codger75 wrote:
So much focus on how Oscar is doing but what has he been asked to achieve?
Fans on here looking for promotion or at least the play-offs – but is that what the Club want? Poyet was disillusioned probably by the Club’s lack of urgency. He wanted Premiership quickly. I suspect the Club have a long term ambition – maybe five years and we are only in year 3
Garcia – who has a lot of experience developing young players - may well have been told he has to develop our own youngsters rather than spend big. Next year could be a transition period and by the end of the season Kuszczak, Bruno, Greer, Upson etc will all be gone. Then a new team built round a young squad : Dunk, Chicksen, Ince, Stephens, Forster-Caskey and March. Not many Spanish players but probably still plenty of ‘Spanish’ style in their play
A friends son went for a job with the Seagulls and was told the aim is to be in the Prem in 4 years. That's fine with me as long as we get a day out at Wembley in the meantime.
[quote][p][bold]old codger75[/bold] wrote: So much focus on how Oscar is doing but what has he been asked to achieve? Fans on here looking for promotion or at least the play-offs – but is that what the Club want? Poyet was disillusioned probably by the Club’s lack of urgency. He wanted Premiership quickly. I suspect the Club have a long term ambition – maybe five years and we are only in year 3 Garcia – who has a lot of experience developing young players - may well have been told he has to develop our own youngsters rather than spend big. Next year could be a transition period and by the end of the season Kuszczak, Bruno, Greer, Upson etc will all be gone. Then a new team built round a young squad : Dunk, Chicksen, Ince, Stephens, Forster-Caskey and March. Not many Spanish players but probably still plenty of ‘Spanish’ style in their play[/p][/quote]A friends son went for a job with the Seagulls and was told the aim is to be in the Prem in 4 years. That's fine with me as long as we get a day out at Wembley in the meantime. Dolph Ins
  • Score: 0

11:53am Sun 6 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Hmm the loss of TK will cost us in more ways than one, Brez and angergan must be cheap wages because they are not up to it,
Does anyone else wonder if we had kept Barnes we would have been in a stronger position? That's something Burke needs to address with his future signings.
TB stated we were after a play off spot, I think we will fall short of that l and in my opinion I don't think we have done enough to deserve one .
With the clear out and loss of players who will be offered better deals elsewhere, the budget needs a massive increase ie the 4 million received from Barnes and bridcutt needs to be spent in May , June,
Wages are not coming down, whatever burke says, if you sign poorer quality then there wages will be lower!
6 of the bottom 8 clubs broke there transfer records in the premiership in January, that means wages won't be dropping but increasing, for wages to drop in the market you need a glut of talent who can't find a club or Clubs refusing to pay over the odds? That needs to start at the top, and it will filter down the divisions, let's put some facts to this, whitehawk are paying two players over £1000 a week! That's 6 divisions down from us, the idea Burke is going to play king Canute over wages demands is laughable!
Hmm the loss of TK will cost us in more ways than one, Brez and angergan must be cheap wages because they are not up to it, Does anyone else wonder if we had kept Barnes we would have been in a stronger position? That's something Burke needs to address with his future signings. TB stated we were after a play off spot, I think we will fall short of that l and in my opinion I don't think we have done enough to deserve one . With the clear out and loss of players who will be offered better deals elsewhere, the budget needs a massive increase ie the 4 million received from Barnes and bridcutt needs to be spent in May , June, Wages are not coming down, whatever burke says, if you sign poorer quality then there wages will be lower! 6 of the bottom 8 clubs broke there transfer records in the premiership in January, that means wages won't be dropping but increasing, for wages to drop in the market you need a glut of talent who can't find a club or Clubs refusing to pay over the odds? That needs to start at the top, and it will filter down the divisions, let's put some facts to this, whitehawk are paying two players over £1000 a week! That's 6 divisions down from us, the idea Burke is going to play king Canute over wages demands is laughable! mark by the sea
  • Score: 6

12:08pm Sun 6 Apr 14

tug509 says...

Good luck for the rest of the season Danny .
Good luck for the rest of the season Danny . tug509
  • Score: 2

12:39pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Far gull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Hmm the loss of TK will cost us in more ways than one, Brez and angergan must be cheap wages because they are not up to it,
Does anyone else wonder if we had kept Barnes we would have been in a stronger position? That's something Burke needs to address with his future signings.
TB stated we were after a play off spot, I think we will fall short of that l and in my opinion I don't think we have done enough to deserve one .
With the clear out and loss of players who will be offered better deals elsewhere, the budget needs a massive increase ie the 4 million received from Barnes and bridcutt needs to be spent in May , June,
Wages are not coming down, whatever burke says, if you sign poorer quality then there wages will be lower!
6 of the bottom 8 clubs broke there transfer records in the premiership in January, that means wages won't be dropping but increasing, for wages to drop in the market you need a glut of talent who can't find a club or Clubs refusing to pay over the odds? That needs to start at the top, and it will filter down the divisions, let's put some facts to this, whitehawk are paying two players over £1000 a week! That's 6 divisions down from us, the idea Burke is going to play king Canute over wages demands is laughable!
Well said . I think that we (Tony) is going have to have a good hard look a at a lot come the end of the season. Am sure as a fan he is as disappointed as us all. Play offs were stated as the aim. We have fallen way short and end with a poorer squad than we had in January let alone last summer.
If it was me heads would roll .
Put Oscar fully in charge ,his chosen staff and players ( if we can get them) and budget of reasonable size then judge him ,at present we have to little knowledge of who is in charge of team .
Would not be surprised if Oscar walked ,I don't think he is happy with management above him.
When you look at the dross we have bought( Stevens apart) or loaned we are a pale immatation of last season.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Hmm the loss of TK will cost us in more ways than one, Brez and angergan must be cheap wages because they are not up to it, Does anyone else wonder if we had kept Barnes we would have been in a stronger position? That's something Burke needs to address with his future signings. TB stated we were after a play off spot, I think we will fall short of that l and in my opinion I don't think we have done enough to deserve one . With the clear out and loss of players who will be offered better deals elsewhere, the budget needs a massive increase ie the 4 million received from Barnes and bridcutt needs to be spent in May , June, Wages are not coming down, whatever burke says, if you sign poorer quality then there wages will be lower! 6 of the bottom 8 clubs broke there transfer records in the premiership in January, that means wages won't be dropping but increasing, for wages to drop in the market you need a glut of talent who can't find a club or Clubs refusing to pay over the odds? That needs to start at the top, and it will filter down the divisions, let's put some facts to this, whitehawk are paying two players over £1000 a week! That's 6 divisions down from us, the idea Burke is going to play king Canute over wages demands is laughable![/p][/quote]Well said . I think that we (Tony) is going have to have a good hard look a at a lot come the end of the season. Am sure as a fan he is as disappointed as us all. Play offs were stated as the aim. We have fallen way short and end with a poorer squad than we had in January let alone last summer. If it was me heads would roll . Put Oscar fully in charge ,his chosen staff and players ( if we can get them) and budget of reasonable size then judge him ,at present we have to little knowledge of who is in charge of team . Would not be surprised if Oscar walked ,I don't think he is happy with management above him. When you look at the dross we have bought( Stevens apart) or loaned we are a pale immatation of last season. Far gull
  • Score: 3

1:53pm Sun 6 Apr 14

namgo49 says...

Far gull wrote:
To add insult to injury. Vincent Kompany on match of the day ' Palace on their way to being a stable premiership side'. How things have moved on in twelve months.
Get over the Palace thing, it's pathetic. They appointed a tried and tested Manager with enormous experience. We have a untried Manager in English football who will have to learn how to manage the power pace and physicality of the game over here or go somewhere else.

The Barca way is maybe no longer the way, they are having an indifferent season by their standards. Gus has hardly set the world alight since his move to Sunderland playing the ticky tacky stuff. Cardiff, Fulham, West Brom are all struggling and have foreign coaches with no English league experience.

Hopefully the club are planning for another season in the Championship next year with players to match what is needed to really push for the top.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: To add insult to injury. Vincent Kompany on match of the day ' Palace on their way to being a stable premiership side'. How things have moved on in twelve months.[/p][/quote]Get over the Palace thing, it's pathetic. They appointed a tried and tested Manager with enormous experience. We have a untried Manager in English football who will have to learn how to manage the power pace and physicality of the game over here or go somewhere else. The Barca way is maybe no longer the way, they are having an indifferent season by their standards. Gus has hardly set the world alight since his move to Sunderland playing the ticky tacky stuff. Cardiff, Fulham, West Brom are all struggling and have foreign coaches with no English league experience. Hopefully the club are planning for another season in the Championship next year with players to match what is needed to really push for the top. namgo49
  • Score: 2

1:56pm Sun 6 Apr 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Far gull wrote:
To add insult to injury. Vincent Kompany on match of the day ' Palace on their way to being a stable premiership side'. How things have moved on in twelve months.
Well done to Palace! I'm pleased for them and their fans. This football is a game not a war and the sooner everyone gets to realise this the better everything will be. We can be a really great club and supporters can play their part in that as well. Let some intelligent fans in the North Stand put an end to any chants about 'standing up if you Hate anyone'. Realise that what ever you put out has to come back to you in some shape or form. I think Palace have done an amazing job since Tony Pulis has moved in. Well done to them.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: To add insult to injury. Vincent Kompany on match of the day ' Palace on their way to being a stable premiership side'. How things have moved on in twelve months.[/p][/quote]Well done to Palace! I'm pleased for them and their fans. This football is a game not a war and the sooner everyone gets to realise this the better everything will be. We can be a really great club and supporters can play their part in that as well. Let some intelligent fans in the North Stand put an end to any chants about 'standing up if you Hate anyone'. Realise that what ever you put out has to come back to you in some shape or form. I think Palace have done an amazing job since Tony Pulis has moved in. Well done to them. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 10

3:39pm Sun 6 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

Nike shirt deal in the bag, we don't know it's value and we won't be told but we can assume that it's bigger that our pevious deal, so more money into the club.
New facility naming rights sold, again we don't know the price but more money into the club.
Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd all sold, just Stephens bought, we must have made money from those dealings.
There will be some that leave the club come the end of the season, contracts not renewed and loan deals coming to a close, less wages going out so more money in the coffers.
Barber has stated that we will be FFP compliant this year so our losses will be cut by some three millions or so.
All the above tells us how we will stand regarding the summer squad rebuild, money available to bring players in but how much money we won't be told.

If we accept that we won't be getting promoted this year, and also accept that our squad, as it stands, has issues that need to be addressed, lack of pace at the back and not taking enough of the goal scoring chances we create, it would seem that our rebuild could be quite extensive.

Of our regular starting back five, considering what we need and what has been stated, will look different next year. TK wants prem soccer so expect him to go. Greer lacks pace so just for that reason he might be gone. Bruno whilst having some flair about him also lacks a bit of pace and is prone to making one or two errors, he could go. Ward is not ours to keep. Calde might get a one year deal in a cover role and Duck has been told he has a future with the club, Upson should get another year. If I am right then we will need four replacements and one extra central defender as we are shot one right now. Five new players needed.

Looking at the regular starting players in midfield, and allowing for some rotation and injuries, there are some tough decisions to make. Orlandi and Buckley, two players that bring so much to our game, but two that so often not available for selection, with much regret they should have to both go. Kaz is a super sub, why he can't string four or five 90 minute appearances together I don't know but the fact is he can't. If he is happy to continue in his roles as a super sub then we keep him, if not, he goes. Lingard and Andrews will see the loan deals expire. Kemmy just hasn't worked out, he can go. Ince, Solly, Stephens and JFC and Crofts all stay, but Spanish Dave needs to move on, his year has not been what we expected it to be. Six new players needed for midfield.

Up front we have lacked finishing power but oddly enough come the end of the season we might actually look stronger than we have all year. Ulloa, CMS and Hoskins should all be fit, and Rodriguez might be worth keeping but I woulds still like to see one more come in.

So to my way of thinking we need a dozen new players for next year, and that does not take into account replacing one of our back up keepers. We could promote the young lad from the DS, let Ankergren go and keep Brez.

With some of our new players coming in on year long loan deals it would seem that Oscar will still need good money to work with, maybe as much as nine million, and that takes me back to the first part of this comment. The money must be made available and Oscar, and no one else, should identify who comes in.
Nike shirt deal in the bag, we don't know it's value and we won't be told but we can assume that it's bigger that our pevious deal, so more money into the club. New facility naming rights sold, again we don't know the price but more money into the club. Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd all sold, just Stephens bought, we must have made money from those dealings. There will be some that leave the club come the end of the season, contracts not renewed and loan deals coming to a close, less wages going out so more money in the coffers. Barber has stated that we will be FFP compliant this year so our losses will be cut by some three millions or so. All the above tells us how we will stand regarding the summer squad rebuild, money available to bring players in but how much money we won't be told. If we accept that we won't be getting promoted this year, and also accept that our squad, as it stands, has issues that need to be addressed, lack of pace at the back and not taking enough of the goal scoring chances we create, it would seem that our rebuild could be quite extensive. Of our regular starting back five, considering what we need and what has been stated, will look different next year. TK wants prem soccer so expect him to go. Greer lacks pace so just for that reason he might be gone. Bruno whilst having some flair about him also lacks a bit of pace and is prone to making one or two errors, he could go. Ward is not ours to keep. Calde might get a one year deal in a cover role and Duck has been told he has a future with the club, Upson should get another year. If I am right then we will need four replacements and one extra central defender as we are shot one right now. Five new players needed. Looking at the regular starting players in midfield, and allowing for some rotation and injuries, there are some tough decisions to make. Orlandi and Buckley, two players that bring so much to our game, but two that so often not available for selection, with much regret they should have to both go. Kaz is a super sub, why he can't string four or five 90 minute appearances together I don't know but the fact is he can't. If he is happy to continue in his roles as a super sub then we keep him, if not, he goes. Lingard and Andrews will see the loan deals expire. Kemmy just hasn't worked out, he can go. Ince, Solly, Stephens and JFC and Crofts all stay, but Spanish Dave needs to move on, his year has not been what we expected it to be. Six new players needed for midfield. Up front we have lacked finishing power but oddly enough come the end of the season we might actually look stronger than we have all year. Ulloa, CMS and Hoskins should all be fit, and Rodriguez might be worth keeping but I woulds still like to see one more come in. So to my way of thinking we need a dozen new players for next year, and that does not take into account replacing one of our back up keepers. We could promote the young lad from the DS, let Ankergren go and keep Brez. With some of our new players coming in on year long loan deals it would seem that Oscar will still need good money to work with, maybe as much as nine million, and that takes me back to the first part of this comment. The money must be made available and Oscar, and no one else, should identify who comes in. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 8

3:46pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

namgo49 wrote:
Far gull wrote:
To add insult to injury. Vincent Kompany on match of the day ' Palace on their way to being a stable premiership side'. How things have moved on in twelve months.
Get over the Palace thing, it's pathetic. They appointed a tried and tested Manager with enormous experience. We have a untried Manager in English football who will have to learn how to manage the power pace and physicality of the game over here or go somewhere else.

The Barca way is maybe no longer the way, they are having an indifferent season by their standards. Gus has hardly set the world alight since his move to Sunderland playing the ticky tacky stuff. Cardiff, Fulham, West Brom are all struggling and have foreign coaches with no English league experience.

Hopefully the club are planning for another season in the Championship next year with players to match what is needed to really push for the top.
Will, I agreed with your first two sentences... :-)
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: To add insult to injury. Vincent Kompany on match of the day ' Palace on their way to being a stable premiership side'. How things have moved on in twelve months.[/p][/quote]Get over the Palace thing, it's pathetic. They appointed a tried and tested Manager with enormous experience. We have a untried Manager in English football who will have to learn how to manage the power pace and physicality of the game over here or go somewhere else. The Barca way is maybe no longer the way, they are having an indifferent season by their standards. Gus has hardly set the world alight since his move to Sunderland playing the ticky tacky stuff. Cardiff, Fulham, West Brom are all struggling and have foreign coaches with no English league experience. Hopefully the club are planning for another season in the Championship next year with players to match what is needed to really push for the top.[/p][/quote]Will, I agreed with your first two sentences... :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

4:00pm Sun 6 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Nike shirt deal in the bag, we don't know it's value and we won't be told but we can assume that it's bigger that our pevious deal, so more money into the club.
New facility naming rights sold, again we don't know the price but more money into the club.
Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd all sold, just Stephens bought, we must have made money from those dealings.
There will be some that leave the club come the end of the season, contracts not renewed and loan deals coming to a close, less wages going out so more money in the coffers.
Barber has stated that we will be FFP compliant this year so our losses will be cut by some three millions or so.
All the above tells us how we will stand regarding the summer squad rebuild, money available to bring players in but how much money we won't be told.

If we accept that we won't be getting promoted this year, and also accept that our squad, as it stands, has issues that need to be addressed, lack of pace at the back and not taking enough of the goal scoring chances we create, it would seem that our rebuild could be quite extensive.

Of our regular starting back five, considering what we need and what has been stated, will look different next year. TK wants prem soccer so expect him to go. Greer lacks pace so just for that reason he might be gone. Bruno whilst having some flair about him also lacks a bit of pace and is prone to making one or two errors, he could go. Ward is not ours to keep. Calde might get a one year deal in a cover role and Duck has been told he has a future with the club, Upson should get another year. If I am right then we will need four replacements and one extra central defender as we are shot one right now. Five new players needed.

Looking at the regular starting players in midfield, and allowing for some rotation and injuries, there are some tough decisions to make. Orlandi and Buckley, two players that bring so much to our game, but two that so often not available for selection, with much regret they should have to both go. Kaz is a super sub, why he can't string four or five 90 minute appearances together I don't know but the fact is he can't. If he is happy to continue in his roles as a super sub then we keep him, if not, he goes. Lingard and Andrews will see the loan deals expire. Kemmy just hasn't worked out, he can go. Ince, Solly, Stephens and JFC and Crofts all stay, but Spanish Dave needs to move on, his year has not been what we expected it to be. Six new players needed for midfield.

Up front we have lacked finishing power but oddly enough come the end of the season we might actually look stronger than we have all year. Ulloa, CMS and Hoskins should all be fit, and Rodriguez might be worth keeping but I woulds still like to see one more come in.

So to my way of thinking we need a dozen new players for next year, and that does not take into account replacing one of our back up keepers. We could promote the young lad from the DS, let Ankergren go and keep Brez.

With some of our new players coming in on year long loan deals it would seem that Oscar will still need good money to work with, maybe as much as nine million, and that takes me back to the first part of this comment. The money must be made available and Oscar, and no one else, should identify who comes in.
Seriously , the TK situation is simple, offer him a three year deal and he will sign. Finding a keeper as good would cost more ( look at Murray leaving how much did that cost)
The kit deal will have a big clause in it, premiership football will bring in a kick in on a higher payment, cup games etc.
You say Buckley should go, we missed a massive trick in not getting rid to palace or Sunderland ... This time next year he will be worthless if his hamstrings don't improve.
Lua lua clearly is a enigma , if he starts he does nothing, bring him on at 60mins and he tears them apart!
We have a issue over the midfield , if we play ince in the anchor role, it's a negative move , where can Stephens or crofts both play in that?
The big question is the defence , been outstanding for a few years, now it's time to change, my concern is changing 3-4 players all at once,
Greer has been pretty woeful in last few weeks, but OG has stuck by him rather than dunk? Does that show great confidence in Dunk?
My final point is jones stated Dunk had a big future here! Why has he not said that about some other players? TK for instance should know a three year deal is available.
Lots of exciting days ahead this summer, but the quality of players coming has to improve on the majority to date.
Hoskins ? Give him a contract at £5k a week would tie up £250k for the year! Are we sure that's a positive move?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Nike shirt deal in the bag, we don't know it's value and we won't be told but we can assume that it's bigger that our pevious deal, so more money into the club. New facility naming rights sold, again we don't know the price but more money into the club. Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd all sold, just Stephens bought, we must have made money from those dealings. There will be some that leave the club come the end of the season, contracts not renewed and loan deals coming to a close, less wages going out so more money in the coffers. Barber has stated that we will be FFP compliant this year so our losses will be cut by some three millions or so. All the above tells us how we will stand regarding the summer squad rebuild, money available to bring players in but how much money we won't be told. If we accept that we won't be getting promoted this year, and also accept that our squad, as it stands, has issues that need to be addressed, lack of pace at the back and not taking enough of the goal scoring chances we create, it would seem that our rebuild could be quite extensive. Of our regular starting back five, considering what we need and what has been stated, will look different next year. TK wants prem soccer so expect him to go. Greer lacks pace so just for that reason he might be gone. Bruno whilst having some flair about him also lacks a bit of pace and is prone to making one or two errors, he could go. Ward is not ours to keep. Calde might get a one year deal in a cover role and Duck has been told he has a future with the club, Upson should get another year. If I am right then we will need four replacements and one extra central defender as we are shot one right now. Five new players needed. Looking at the regular starting players in midfield, and allowing for some rotation and injuries, there are some tough decisions to make. Orlandi and Buckley, two players that bring so much to our game, but two that so often not available for selection, with much regret they should have to both go. Kaz is a super sub, why he can't string four or five 90 minute appearances together I don't know but the fact is he can't. If he is happy to continue in his roles as a super sub then we keep him, if not, he goes. Lingard and Andrews will see the loan deals expire. Kemmy just hasn't worked out, he can go. Ince, Solly, Stephens and JFC and Crofts all stay, but Spanish Dave needs to move on, his year has not been what we expected it to be. Six new players needed for midfield. Up front we have lacked finishing power but oddly enough come the end of the season we might actually look stronger than we have all year. Ulloa, CMS and Hoskins should all be fit, and Rodriguez might be worth keeping but I woulds still like to see one more come in. So to my way of thinking we need a dozen new players for next year, and that does not take into account replacing one of our back up keepers. We could promote the young lad from the DS, let Ankergren go and keep Brez. With some of our new players coming in on year long loan deals it would seem that Oscar will still need good money to work with, maybe as much as nine million, and that takes me back to the first part of this comment. The money must be made available and Oscar, and no one else, should identify who comes in.[/p][/quote]Seriously , the TK situation is simple, offer him a three year deal and he will sign. Finding a keeper as good would cost more ( look at Murray leaving how much did that cost) The kit deal will have a big clause in it, premiership football will bring in a kick in on a higher payment, cup games etc. You say Buckley should go, we missed a massive trick in not getting rid to palace or Sunderland ... This time next year he will be worthless if his hamstrings don't improve. Lua lua clearly is a enigma , if he starts he does nothing, bring him on at 60mins and he tears them apart! We have a issue over the midfield , if we play ince in the anchor role, it's a negative move , where can Stephens or crofts both play in that? The big question is the defence , been outstanding for a few years, now it's time to change, my concern is changing 3-4 players all at once, Greer has been pretty woeful in last few weeks, but OG has stuck by him rather than dunk? Does that show great confidence in Dunk? My final point is jones stated Dunk had a big future here! Why has he not said that about some other players? TK for instance should know a three year deal is available. Lots of exciting days ahead this summer, but the quality of players coming has to improve on the majority to date. Hoskins ? Give him a contract at £5k a week would tie up £250k for the year! Are we sure that's a positive move? mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

4:07pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Far gull says...

namgo49 wrote:
Far gull wrote:
To add insult to injury. Vincent Kompany on match of the day ' Palace on their way to being a stable premiership side'. How things have moved on in twelve months.
Get over the Palace thing, it's pathetic. They appointed a tried and tested Manager with enormous experience. We have a untried Manager in English football who will have to learn how to manage the power pace and physicality of the game over here or go somewhere else.

The Barca way is maybe no longer the way, they are having an indifferent season by their standards. Gus has hardly set the world alight since his move to Sunderland playing the ticky tacky stuff. Cardiff, Fulham, West Brom are all struggling and have foreign coaches with no English league experience.

Hopefully the club are planning for another season in the Championship next year with players to match what is needed to really push for the top.
No not pathetic . Just pointing out strong contrast in fortunes. Good luck to Palace. On balance their fans are passionate and loyal. In all my years as an albion fan since 70's they have actually always been above us.
Last season after our 3-0 league win i thought the balance had swung in our favour at last.
Obviously not yet. They sell their best player last season fot 10 million ,we sell ours for 3 ish and they go forward we go backward. All credit to them. Get over them ,may be you are right . I should love us to be in their shoes financially and league wise now. I think Tony might too. New stadium or not Palace have plenty going for them. They even have great coaching for youngsters going on cheaper than albions in our area.
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: To add insult to injury. Vincent Kompany on match of the day ' Palace on their way to being a stable premiership side'. How things have moved on in twelve months.[/p][/quote]Get over the Palace thing, it's pathetic. They appointed a tried and tested Manager with enormous experience. We have a untried Manager in English football who will have to learn how to manage the power pace and physicality of the game over here or go somewhere else. The Barca way is maybe no longer the way, they are having an indifferent season by their standards. Gus has hardly set the world alight since his move to Sunderland playing the ticky tacky stuff. Cardiff, Fulham, West Brom are all struggling and have foreign coaches with no English league experience. Hopefully the club are planning for another season in the Championship next year with players to match what is needed to really push for the top.[/p][/quote]No not pathetic . Just pointing out strong contrast in fortunes. Good luck to Palace. On balance their fans are passionate and loyal. In all my years as an albion fan since 70's they have actually always been above us. Last season after our 3-0 league win i thought the balance had swung in our favour at last. Obviously not yet. They sell their best player last season fot 10 million ,we sell ours for 3 ish and they go forward we go backward. All credit to them. Get over them ,may be you are right . I should love us to be in their shoes financially and league wise now. I think Tony might too. New stadium or not Palace have plenty going for them. They even have great coaching for youngsters going on cheaper than albions in our area. Far gull
  • Score: 3

4:26pm Sun 6 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

Mark, when TK states very clearly that he feels he should be playing at prem level, our offering him a three year deal means nothing.
TK wants top flight football, his agent is talking to prem clubs, this is not about money or a secure future, this is all about TK's ambitions, just as it was with Bridcutt.
If the question, 'is TK good enough for the prem,' is asked, isn't the answer yes he is for some of those clubs in the prem, how can our offering him a three year deal change that and why would the offer change his own opinion as to what level he feels he should be playing at.
Mark, when TK states very clearly that he feels he should be playing at prem level, our offering him a three year deal means nothing. TK wants top flight football, his agent is talking to prem clubs, this is not about money or a secure future, this is all about TK's ambitions, just as it was with Bridcutt. If the question, 'is TK good enough for the prem,' is asked, isn't the answer yes he is for some of those clubs in the prem, how can our offering him a three year deal change that and why would the offer change his own opinion as to what level he feels he should be playing at. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

5:02pm Sun 6 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Nike shirt deal in the bag, we don't know it's value and we won't be told but we can assume that it's bigger that our pevious deal, so more money into the club.
New facility naming rights sold, again we don't know the price but more money into the club.
Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd all sold, just Stephens bought, we must have made money from those dealings.
There will be some that leave the club come the end of the season, contracts not renewed and loan deals coming to a close, less wages going out so more money in the coffers.
Barber has stated that we will be FFP compliant this year so our losses will be cut by some three millions or so.
All the above tells us how we will stand regarding the summer squad rebuild, money available to bring players in but how much money we won't be told.

If we accept that we won't be getting promoted this year, and also accept that our squad, as it stands, has issues that need to be addressed, lack of pace at the back and not taking enough of the goal scoring chances we create, it would seem that our rebuild could be quite extensive.

Of our regular starting back five, considering what we need and what has been stated, will look different next year. TK wants prem soccer so expect him to go. Greer lacks pace so just for that reason he might be gone. Bruno whilst having some flair about him also lacks a bit of pace and is prone to making one or two errors, he could go. Ward is not ours to keep. Calde might get a one year deal in a cover role and Duck has been told he has a future with the club, Upson should get another year. If I am right then we will need four replacements and one extra central defender as we are shot one right now. Five new players needed.

Looking at the regular starting players in midfield, and allowing for some rotation and injuries, there are some tough decisions to make. Orlandi and Buckley, two players that bring so much to our game, but two that so often not available for selection, with much regret they should have to both go. Kaz is a super sub, why he can't string four or five 90 minute appearances together I don't know but the fact is he can't. If he is happy to continue in his roles as a super sub then we keep him, if not, he goes. Lingard and Andrews will see the loan deals expire. Kemmy just hasn't worked out, he can go. Ince, Solly, Stephens and JFC and Crofts all stay, but Spanish Dave needs to move on, his year has not been what we expected it to be. Six new players needed for midfield.

Up front we have lacked finishing power but oddly enough come the end of the season we might actually look stronger than we have all year. Ulloa, CMS and Hoskins should all be fit, and Rodriguez might be worth keeping but I woulds still like to see one more come in.

So to my way of thinking we need a dozen new players for next year, and that does not take into account replacing one of our back up keepers. We could promote the young lad from the DS, let Ankergren go and keep Brez.

With some of our new players coming in on year long loan deals it would seem that Oscar will still need good money to work with, maybe as much as nine million, and that takes me back to the first part of this comment. The money must be made available and Oscar, and no one else, should identify who comes in.
Seriously , the TK situation is simple, offer him a three year deal and he will sign. Finding a keeper as good would cost more ( look at Murray leaving how much did that cost)
The kit deal will have a big clause in it, premiership football will bring in a kick in on a higher payment, cup games etc.
You say Buckley should go, we missed a massive trick in not getting rid to palace or Sunderland ... This time next year he will be worthless if his hamstrings don't improve.
Lua lua clearly is a enigma , if he starts he does nothing, bring him on at 60mins and he tears them apart!
We have a issue over the midfield , if we play ince in the anchor role, it's a negative move , where can Stephens or crofts both play in that?
The big question is the defence , been outstanding for a few years, now it's time to change, my concern is changing 3-4 players all at once,
Greer has been pretty woeful in last few weeks, but OG has stuck by him rather than dunk? Does that show great confidence in Dunk?
My final point is jones stated Dunk had a big future here! Why has he not said that about some other players? TK for instance should know a three year deal is available.
Lots of exciting days ahead this summer, but the quality of players coming has to improve on the majority to date.
Hoskins ? Give him a contract at £5k a week would tie up £250k for the year! Are we sure that's a positive move?
Taking your points in the order you have them.

TK, I can't see why you think as you do, no offense intended.
Yes kit deal should bring in more with promotion ect.
Yes about Buckley and KAZ.
Ince replaces Bridcutt and that was as the central midfield defender, not sure what you are saying.
Why can't Stephens or Crofts play if Ince has replaced Bridcutt, don't get that one.
Pre-season gives us time to meld a new back four, and Dunk could, and some say should, be part of it.
TK might well have already been offered a deal, we don't know.
Yes the quality of new players must be better than those of recent times, Stephens the exception, IMHO.
Hoskins with a contract as you suggest might be seen as a bit of a gamble, but maybe one worth the taking, we need cover and options, and with a new contract he would have a sale price, even if not that big. I still think he has something to offer and might improve with game time.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Nike shirt deal in the bag, we don't know it's value and we won't be told but we can assume that it's bigger that our pevious deal, so more money into the club. New facility naming rights sold, again we don't know the price but more money into the club. Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd all sold, just Stephens bought, we must have made money from those dealings. There will be some that leave the club come the end of the season, contracts not renewed and loan deals coming to a close, less wages going out so more money in the coffers. Barber has stated that we will be FFP compliant this year so our losses will be cut by some three millions or so. All the above tells us how we will stand regarding the summer squad rebuild, money available to bring players in but how much money we won't be told. If we accept that we won't be getting promoted this year, and also accept that our squad, as it stands, has issues that need to be addressed, lack of pace at the back and not taking enough of the goal scoring chances we create, it would seem that our rebuild could be quite extensive. Of our regular starting back five, considering what we need and what has been stated, will look different next year. TK wants prem soccer so expect him to go. Greer lacks pace so just for that reason he might be gone. Bruno whilst having some flair about him also lacks a bit of pace and is prone to making one or two errors, he could go. Ward is not ours to keep. Calde might get a one year deal in a cover role and Duck has been told he has a future with the club, Upson should get another year. If I am right then we will need four replacements and one extra central defender as we are shot one right now. Five new players needed. Looking at the regular starting players in midfield, and allowing for some rotation and injuries, there are some tough decisions to make. Orlandi and Buckley, two players that bring so much to our game, but two that so often not available for selection, with much regret they should have to both go. Kaz is a super sub, why he can't string four or five 90 minute appearances together I don't know but the fact is he can't. If he is happy to continue in his roles as a super sub then we keep him, if not, he goes. Lingard and Andrews will see the loan deals expire. Kemmy just hasn't worked out, he can go. Ince, Solly, Stephens and JFC and Crofts all stay, but Spanish Dave needs to move on, his year has not been what we expected it to be. Six new players needed for midfield. Up front we have lacked finishing power but oddly enough come the end of the season we might actually look stronger than we have all year. Ulloa, CMS and Hoskins should all be fit, and Rodriguez might be worth keeping but I woulds still like to see one more come in. So to my way of thinking we need a dozen new players for next year, and that does not take into account replacing one of our back up keepers. We could promote the young lad from the DS, let Ankergren go and keep Brez. With some of our new players coming in on year long loan deals it would seem that Oscar will still need good money to work with, maybe as much as nine million, and that takes me back to the first part of this comment. The money must be made available and Oscar, and no one else, should identify who comes in.[/p][/quote]Seriously , the TK situation is simple, offer him a three year deal and he will sign. Finding a keeper as good would cost more ( look at Murray leaving how much did that cost) The kit deal will have a big clause in it, premiership football will bring in a kick in on a higher payment, cup games etc. You say Buckley should go, we missed a massive trick in not getting rid to palace or Sunderland ... This time next year he will be worthless if his hamstrings don't improve. Lua lua clearly is a enigma , if he starts he does nothing, bring him on at 60mins and he tears them apart! We have a issue over the midfield , if we play ince in the anchor role, it's a negative move , where can Stephens or crofts both play in that? The big question is the defence , been outstanding for a few years, now it's time to change, my concern is changing 3-4 players all at once, Greer has been pretty woeful in last few weeks, but OG has stuck by him rather than dunk? Does that show great confidence in Dunk? My final point is jones stated Dunk had a big future here! Why has he not said that about some other players? TK for instance should know a three year deal is available. Lots of exciting days ahead this summer, but the quality of players coming has to improve on the majority to date. Hoskins ? Give him a contract at £5k a week would tie up £250k for the year! Are we sure that's a positive move?[/p][/quote]Taking your points in the order you have them. TK, I can't see why you think as you do, no offense intended. Yes kit deal should bring in more with promotion ect. Yes about Buckley and KAZ. Ince replaces Bridcutt and that was as the central midfield defender, not sure what you are saying. Why can't Stephens or Crofts play if Ince has replaced Bridcutt, don't get that one. Pre-season gives us time to meld a new back four, and Dunk could, and some say should, be part of it. TK might well have already been offered a deal, we don't know. Yes the quality of new players must be better than those of recent times, Stephens the exception, IMHO. Hoskins with a contract as you suggest might be seen as a bit of a gamble, but maybe one worth the taking, we need cover and options, and with a new contract he would have a sale price, even if not that big. I still think he has something to offer and might improve with game time. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

5:08pm Sun 6 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

The Bosch wrote:
Lets be honest the last 2 loan striker deals just pathethic.As for Agustien the person behind that should not be at the club stil.In his own words I DID NOTHING FOR 3 MTHS.But he was happy to take the Swansea fans money still.NJ is behind all this and should be sacked asap.
If Oscar is happy with Jones then it should be his choice to carry on with him. Having completed his first year as Head Coach I would like to think that the suits would discuss Jones and his role with Oscar. If Oscar wants a change he should get it.
[quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: Lets be honest the last 2 loan striker deals just pathethic.As for Agustien the person behind that should not be at the club stil.In his own words I DID NOTHING FOR 3 MTHS.But he was happy to take the Swansea fans money still.NJ is behind all this and should be sacked asap.[/p][/quote]If Oscar is happy with Jones then it should be his choice to carry on with him. Having completed his first year as Head Coach I would like to think that the suits would discuss Jones and his role with Oscar. If Oscar wants a change he should get it. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

5:27pm Sun 6 Apr 14

pte says...

If the club has any intention of keeping TK they would be talking to him now. My guess is they aren't too fussed if he goes. If they don't get get promoted they won't want to pay his high wages and if they do get promoted they will be in a strong position to sign a quality goalkeeper including TK.

If they'd offloaded Buckley they could have signed Conroy, either kept Barnes or signed another striker and still had the Bridcutt fee to spare. Funny, Bournemouth on gates of 10k back the manager while Brighton on gates near 30k don't back the manager re Grabban. Blackburn massively in debt still manage to sign Conroy.

Brez and Ankers on league 1 wages will hold the fort next season, no real money spent on players next season and Ulloa sold possibly to Bournemouth LOL. Or we could flogg him to Palace and get Murray back in return. Murray for Buckley would be a good deal but would the club want to pay his wages?

The promotion dream isn't over if we beat Leicester and Bournemouth beat Reading. But if the opposite happens we can then start playing the youngsters
If the club has any intention of keeping TK they would be talking to him now. My guess is they aren't too fussed if he goes. If they don't get get promoted they won't want to pay his high wages and if they do get promoted they will be in a strong position to sign a quality goalkeeper including TK. If they'd offloaded Buckley they could have signed Conroy, either kept Barnes or signed another striker and still had the Bridcutt fee to spare. Funny, Bournemouth on gates of 10k back the manager while Brighton on gates near 30k don't back the manager re Grabban. Blackburn massively in debt still manage to sign Conroy. Brez and Ankers on league 1 wages will hold the fort next season, no real money spent on players next season and Ulloa sold possibly to Bournemouth LOL. Or we could flogg him to Palace and get Murray back in return. Murray for Buckley would be a good deal but would the club want to pay his wages? The promotion dream isn't over if we beat Leicester and Bournemouth beat Reading. But if the opposite happens we can then start playing the youngsters pte
  • Score: 0

8:43pm Sun 6 Apr 14

gordongull says...

Tomasz Kuszczack has played a big part in keeping us out of a relegation battle this season. Many of our wins have been marginal, and could easily have been losses without his heroics. We are a lot nearer to Yeovil than leicester on points and will be down there next season if we have to rely on our alternative goalkeepers. Without Tomasz next season, we will be a division one side if we are playing the same system with existing players.
Tomasz Kuszczack has played a big part in keeping us out of a relegation battle this season. Many of our wins have been marginal, and could easily have been losses without his heroics. We are a lot nearer to Yeovil than leicester on points and will be down there next season if we have to rely on our alternative goalkeepers. Without Tomasz next season, we will be a division one side if we are playing the same system with existing players. gordongull
  • Score: -4

9:29pm Sun 6 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

gordongull wrote:
Tomasz Kuszczack has played a big part in keeping us out of a relegation battle this season. Many of our wins have been marginal, and could easily have been losses without his heroics. We are a lot nearer to Yeovil than leicester on points and will be down there next season if we have to rely on our alternative goalkeepers. Without Tomasz next season, we will be a division one side if we are playing the same system with existing players.
Do you really think that when TK goes we won't sign a replacement?
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Tomasz Kuszczack has played a big part in keeping us out of a relegation battle this season. Many of our wins have been marginal, and could easily have been losses without his heroics. We are a lot nearer to Yeovil than leicester on points and will be down there next season if we have to rely on our alternative goalkeepers. Without Tomasz next season, we will be a division one side if we are playing the same system with existing players.[/p][/quote]Do you really think that when TK goes we won't sign a replacement? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

9:33pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Far gull says...

gordongull wrote:
Tomasz Kuszczack has played a big part in keeping us out of a relegation battle this season. Many of our wins have been marginal, and could easily have been losses without his heroics. We are a lot nearer to Yeovil than leicester on points and will be down there next season if we have to rely on our alternative goalkeepers. Without Tomasz next season, we will be a division one side if we are playing the same system with existing players.
Agreed. Much as it is negative it happens you are pretty close to the truth. God help us if current back up keepers are kept on. I know we have lost money and are cutting back but more savings are only going to reduce gates and income further. Vicious circle.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Tomasz Kuszczack has played a big part in keeping us out of a relegation battle this season. Many of our wins have been marginal, and could easily have been losses without his heroics. We are a lot nearer to Yeovil than leicester on points and will be down there next season if we have to rely on our alternative goalkeepers. Without Tomasz next season, we will be a division one side if we are playing the same system with existing players.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Much as it is negative it happens you are pretty close to the truth. God help us if current back up keepers are kept on. I know we have lost money and are cutting back but more savings are only going to reduce gates and income further. Vicious circle. Far gull
  • Score: -2

9:35pm Sun 6 Apr 14

BIG TROUBLE says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Hmm the loss of TK will cost us in more ways than one, Brez and angergan must be cheap wages because they are not up to it,
Does anyone else wonder if we had kept Barnes we would have been in a stronger position? That's something Burke needs to address with his future signings.
TB stated we were after a play off spot, I think we will fall short of that l and in my opinion I don't think we have done enough to deserve one .
With the clear out and loss of players who will be offered better deals elsewhere, the budget needs a massive increase ie the 4 million received from Barnes and bridcutt needs to be spent in May , June,
Wages are not coming down, whatever burke says, if you sign poorer quality then there wages will be lower!
6 of the bottom 8 clubs broke there transfer records in the premiership in January, that means wages won't be dropping but increasing, for wages to drop in the market you need a glut of talent who can't find a club or Clubs refusing to pay over the odds? That needs to start at the top, and it will filter down the divisions, let's put some facts to this, whitehawk are paying two players over £1000 a week! That's 6 divisions down from us, the idea Burke is going to play king Canute over wages demands is laughable!
You mention 6 of the bottom 8 spending massive amounts breaking transfer records it hasn't work though has it ????
We haven't spent all that much we are top eight !!
So what's you're point ???
UTA
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Hmm the loss of TK will cost us in more ways than one, Brez and angergan must be cheap wages because they are not up to it, Does anyone else wonder if we had kept Barnes we would have been in a stronger position? That's something Burke needs to address with his future signings. TB stated we were after a play off spot, I think we will fall short of that l and in my opinion I don't think we have done enough to deserve one . With the clear out and loss of players who will be offered better deals elsewhere, the budget needs a massive increase ie the 4 million received from Barnes and bridcutt needs to be spent in May , June, Wages are not coming down, whatever burke says, if you sign poorer quality then there wages will be lower! 6 of the bottom 8 clubs broke there transfer records in the premiership in January, that means wages won't be dropping but increasing, for wages to drop in the market you need a glut of talent who can't find a club or Clubs refusing to pay over the odds? That needs to start at the top, and it will filter down the divisions, let's put some facts to this, whitehawk are paying two players over £1000 a week! That's 6 divisions down from us, the idea Burke is going to play king Canute over wages demands is laughable![/p][/quote]You mention 6 of the bottom 8 spending massive amounts breaking transfer records it hasn't work though has it ???? We haven't spent all that much we are top eight !! So what's you're point ??? UTA BIG TROUBLE
  • Score: 3

9:36pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Far gull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Tomasz Kuszczack has played a big part in keeping us out of a relegation battle this season. Many of our wins have been marginal, and could easily have been losses without his heroics. We are a lot nearer to Yeovil than leicester on points and will be down there next season if we have to rely on our alternative goalkeepers. Without Tomasz next season, we will be a division one side if we are playing the same system with existing players.
Do you really think that when TK goes we won't sign a replacement?
I don't think for one minute Gordon does think we won't but lets face it our recruitment policy and personnel signed this season don't inspire confidence who is signed will be any good! Just who is cheapest !!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Tomasz Kuszczack has played a big part in keeping us out of a relegation battle this season. Many of our wins have been marginal, and could easily have been losses without his heroics. We are a lot nearer to Yeovil than leicester on points and will be down there next season if we have to rely on our alternative goalkeepers. Without Tomasz next season, we will be a division one side if we are playing the same system with existing players.[/p][/quote]Do you really think that when TK goes we won't sign a replacement?[/p][/quote]I don't think for one minute Gordon does think we won't but lets face it our recruitment policy and personnel signed this season don't inspire confidence who is signed will be any good! Just who is cheapest !! Far gull
  • Score: 0

9:39pm Sun 6 Apr 14

BIG TROUBLE says...

BIG TROUBLE wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hmm the loss of TK will cost us in more ways than one, Brez and angergan must be cheap wages because they are not up to it,
Does anyone else wonder if we had kept Barnes we would have been in a stronger position? That's something Burke needs to address with his future signings.
TB stated we were after a play off spot, I think we will fall short of that l and in my opinion I don't think we have done enough to deserve one .
With the clear out and loss of players who will be offered better deals elsewhere, the budget needs a massive increase ie the 4 million received from Barnes and bridcutt needs to be spent in May , June,
Wages are not coming down, whatever burke says, if you sign poorer quality then there wages will be lower!
6 of the bottom 8 clubs broke there transfer records in the premiership in January, that means wages won't be dropping but increasing, for wages to drop in the market you need a glut of talent who can't find a club or Clubs refusing to pay over the odds? That needs to start at the top, and it will filter down the divisions, let's put some facts to this, whitehawk are paying two players over £1000 a week! That's 6 divisions down from us, the idea Burke is going to play king Canute over wages demands is laughable!
You mention 6 of the bottom 8 spending massive amounts breaking transfer records it hasn't work though has it ????
We haven't spent all that much we are top eight !!
So what's you're point ???
UTA
Top 8 in championship obviously,
It's not what you spend it's how you spend it
UTA
[quote][p][bold]BIG TROUBLE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Hmm the loss of TK will cost us in more ways than one, Brez and angergan must be cheap wages because they are not up to it, Does anyone else wonder if we had kept Barnes we would have been in a stronger position? That's something Burke needs to address with his future signings. TB stated we were after a play off spot, I think we will fall short of that l and in my opinion I don't think we have done enough to deserve one . With the clear out and loss of players who will be offered better deals elsewhere, the budget needs a massive increase ie the 4 million received from Barnes and bridcutt needs to be spent in May , June, Wages are not coming down, whatever burke says, if you sign poorer quality then there wages will be lower! 6 of the bottom 8 clubs broke there transfer records in the premiership in January, that means wages won't be dropping but increasing, for wages to drop in the market you need a glut of talent who can't find a club or Clubs refusing to pay over the odds? That needs to start at the top, and it will filter down the divisions, let's put some facts to this, whitehawk are paying two players over £1000 a week! That's 6 divisions down from us, the idea Burke is going to play king Canute over wages demands is laughable![/p][/quote]You mention 6 of the bottom 8 spending massive amounts breaking transfer records it hasn't work though has it ???? We haven't spent all that much we are top eight !! So what's you're point ??? UTA[/p][/quote]Top 8 in championship obviously, It's not what you spend it's how you spend it UTA BIG TROUBLE
  • Score: 2

9:45pm Sun 6 Apr 14

jockithenoo says...

BIG TROUBLE wrote:
BIG TROUBLE wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hmm the loss of TK will cost us in more ways than one, Brez and angergan must be cheap wages because they are not up to it,
Does anyone else wonder if we had kept Barnes we would have been in a stronger position? That's something Burke needs to address with his future signings.
TB stated we were after a play off spot, I think we will fall short of that l and in my opinion I don't think we have done enough to deserve one .
With the clear out and loss of players who will be offered better deals elsewhere, the budget needs a massive increase ie the 4 million received from Barnes and bridcutt needs to be spent in May , June,
Wages are not coming down, whatever burke says, if you sign poorer quality then there wages will be lower!
6 of the bottom 8 clubs broke there transfer records in the premiership in January, that means wages won't be dropping but increasing, for wages to drop in the market you need a glut of talent who can't find a club or Clubs refusing to pay over the odds? That needs to start at the top, and it will filter down the divisions, let's put some facts to this, whitehawk are paying two players over £1000 a week! That's 6 divisions down from us, the idea Burke is going to play king Canute over wages demands is laughable!
You mention 6 of the bottom 8 spending massive amounts breaking transfer records it hasn't work though has it ????
We haven't spent all that much we are top eight !!
So what's you're point ???
UTA
Top 8 in championship obviously,
It's not what you spend it's how you spend it
UTA
Ha I was just about to shoot you down you got back in to quick.
I get what you think but cash is King but as you say it's still how you spend it
UTA
[quote][p][bold]BIG TROUBLE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIG TROUBLE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Hmm the loss of TK will cost us in more ways than one, Brez and angergan must be cheap wages because they are not up to it, Does anyone else wonder if we had kept Barnes we would have been in a stronger position? That's something Burke needs to address with his future signings. TB stated we were after a play off spot, I think we will fall short of that l and in my opinion I don't think we have done enough to deserve one . With the clear out and loss of players who will be offered better deals elsewhere, the budget needs a massive increase ie the 4 million received from Barnes and bridcutt needs to be spent in May , June, Wages are not coming down, whatever burke says, if you sign poorer quality then there wages will be lower! 6 of the bottom 8 clubs broke there transfer records in the premiership in January, that means wages won't be dropping but increasing, for wages to drop in the market you need a glut of talent who can't find a club or Clubs refusing to pay over the odds? That needs to start at the top, and it will filter down the divisions, let's put some facts to this, whitehawk are paying two players over £1000 a week! That's 6 divisions down from us, the idea Burke is going to play king Canute over wages demands is laughable![/p][/quote]You mention 6 of the bottom 8 spending massive amounts breaking transfer records it hasn't work though has it ???? We haven't spent all that much we are top eight !! So what's you're point ??? UTA[/p][/quote]Top 8 in championship obviously, It's not what you spend it's how you spend it UTA[/p][/quote]Ha I was just about to shoot you down you got back in to quick. I get what you think but cash is King but as you say it's still how you spend it UTA jockithenoo
  • Score: 0

10:04pm Sun 6 Apr 14

gordongull says...

Far gull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Tomasz Kuszczack has played a big part in keeping us out of a relegation battle this season. Many of our wins have been marginal, and could easily have been losses without his heroics. We are a lot nearer to Yeovil than leicester on points and will be down there next season if we have to rely on our alternative goalkeepers. Without Tomasz next season, we will be a division one side if we are playing the same system with existing players.
Do you really think that when TK goes we won't sign a replacement?
I don't think for one minute Gordon does think we won't but lets face it our recruitment policy and personnel signed this season don't inspire confidence who is signed will be any good! Just who is cheapest !!
That's right, Far gull, those in charge of recruitment do not inspire confidence. That is why I have been advocating for Oscar to be given the responsibility of signing the players he needs to build a successful team.
The present system of players being imposed on him by so-called experts is a joke.
Also it seems to be Club policy to leave us short of quality in vital positions, so it would come as no great surprise to see Peter and Casper being promoted. Oscar is beginning to look like a fall guy for the policies and decisions of others. He has to take either take control of the situation or walk away.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Tomasz Kuszczack has played a big part in keeping us out of a relegation battle this season. Many of our wins have been marginal, and could easily have been losses without his heroics. We are a lot nearer to Yeovil than leicester on points and will be down there next season if we have to rely on our alternative goalkeepers. Without Tomasz next season, we will be a division one side if we are playing the same system with existing players.[/p][/quote]Do you really think that when TK goes we won't sign a replacement?[/p][/quote]I don't think for one minute Gordon does think we won't but lets face it our recruitment policy and personnel signed this season don't inspire confidence who is signed will be any good! Just who is cheapest !![/p][/quote]That's right, Far gull, those in charge of recruitment do not inspire confidence. That is why I have been advocating for Oscar to be given the responsibility of signing the players he needs to build a successful team. The present system of players being imposed on him by so-called experts is a joke. Also it seems to be Club policy to leave us short of quality in vital positions, so it would come as no great surprise to see Peter and Casper being promoted. Oscar is beginning to look like a fall guy for the policies and decisions of others. He has to take either take control of the situation or walk away. gordongull
  • Score: -1

10:23pm Sun 6 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

gordongull wrote:
Far gull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Tomasz Kuszczack has played a big part in keeping us out of a relegation battle this season. Many of our wins have been marginal, and could easily have been losses without his heroics. We are a lot nearer to Yeovil than leicester on points and will be down there next season if we have to rely on our alternative goalkeepers. Without Tomasz next season, we will be a division one side if we are playing the same system with existing players.
Do you really think that when TK goes we won't sign a replacement?
I don't think for one minute Gordon does think we won't but lets face it our recruitment policy and personnel signed this season don't inspire confidence who is signed will be any good! Just who is cheapest !!
That's right, Far gull, those in charge of recruitment do not inspire confidence. That is why I have been advocating for Oscar to be given the responsibility of signing the players he needs to build a successful team.
The present system of players being imposed on him by so-called experts is a joke.
Also it seems to be Club policy to leave us short of quality in vital positions, so it would come as no great surprise to see Peter and Casper being promoted. Oscar is beginning to look like a fall guy for the policies and decisions of others. He has to take either take control of the situation or walk away.
When talking of who we have bought and borrowed, we should also consider whether or not we were looking at costs before looking at talent. Stephens is a good buy, money well spent. Kemmy appears to be a flop, money not so well spent, but neither cost us a fortune. The laon deals, yeah not good, other than Lingard. It's almost as though we did business on the cheap as stop gaps to see the season out, again with the exception of Stephens.
If that was the approach at least we have not over spent and that will help with the FFP rules, but that would also suggest that our desire to make the playoffs and or promotion, might not have been as strong as it was said to be at the start of ths season. As soon as our injury list started ot grow, some with protracted injuries, others with season ending ones, it feels as though an acceptance took place that meant this year was not going to be our year, so we made the best of it.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Tomasz Kuszczack has played a big part in keeping us out of a relegation battle this season. Many of our wins have been marginal, and could easily have been losses without his heroics. We are a lot nearer to Yeovil than leicester on points and will be down there next season if we have to rely on our alternative goalkeepers. Without Tomasz next season, we will be a division one side if we are playing the same system with existing players.[/p][/quote]Do you really think that when TK goes we won't sign a replacement?[/p][/quote]I don't think for one minute Gordon does think we won't but lets face it our recruitment policy and personnel signed this season don't inspire confidence who is signed will be any good! Just who is cheapest !![/p][/quote]That's right, Far gull, those in charge of recruitment do not inspire confidence. That is why I have been advocating for Oscar to be given the responsibility of signing the players he needs to build a successful team. The present system of players being imposed on him by so-called experts is a joke. Also it seems to be Club policy to leave us short of quality in vital positions, so it would come as no great surprise to see Peter and Casper being promoted. Oscar is beginning to look like a fall guy for the policies and decisions of others. He has to take either take control of the situation or walk away.[/p][/quote]When talking of who we have bought and borrowed, we should also consider whether or not we were looking at costs before looking at talent. Stephens is a good buy, money well spent. Kemmy appears to be a flop, money not so well spent, but neither cost us a fortune. The laon deals, yeah not good, other than Lingard. It's almost as though we did business on the cheap as stop gaps to see the season out, again with the exception of Stephens. If that was the approach at least we have not over spent and that will help with the FFP rules, but that would also suggest that our desire to make the playoffs and or promotion, might not have been as strong as it was said to be at the start of ths season. As soon as our injury list started ot grow, some with protracted injuries, others with season ending ones, it feels as though an acceptance took place that meant this year was not going to be our year, so we made the best of it. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

11:03pm Sun 6 Apr 14

gordongull says...

There is no doubt that injuries have played their part Vegas, and the financial rules have restricted what is possible with outlay on players. There will presumably be funds available to strengthen the team in the close season.That money needs to be in the hands of a person with the competence to use it effectively.
There is no doubt that injuries have played their part Vegas, and the financial rules have restricted what is possible with outlay on players. There will presumably be funds available to strengthen the team in the close season.That money needs to be in the hands of a person with the competence to use it effectively. gordongull
  • Score: 2

5:37pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Howie2 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
The Bosch wrote:
Lets be honest the last 2 loan striker deals just pathethic.As for Agustien the person behind that should not be at the club stil.In his own words I DID NOTHING FOR 3 MTHS.But he was happy to take the Swansea fans money still.NJ is behind all this and should be sacked asap.
If Oscar is happy with Jones then it should be his choice to carry on with him. Having completed his first year as Head Coach I would like to think that the suits would discuss Jones and his role with Oscar. If Oscar wants a change he should get it.
All the signings this year including the loan signings are down to Paul Burke our Football Director. Oscar may possibly have been consulted but I think at the end of the day it was Burke holding the purse strings pretty tightly that accounted for most of the transactions.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: Lets be honest the last 2 loan striker deals just pathethic.As for Agustien the person behind that should not be at the club stil.In his own words I DID NOTHING FOR 3 MTHS.But he was happy to take the Swansea fans money still.NJ is behind all this and should be sacked asap.[/p][/quote]If Oscar is happy with Jones then it should be his choice to carry on with him. Having completed his first year as Head Coach I would like to think that the suits would discuss Jones and his role with Oscar. If Oscar wants a change he should get it.[/p][/quote]All the signings this year including the loan signings are down to Paul Burke our Football Director. Oscar may possibly have been consulted but I think at the end of the day it was Burke holding the purse strings pretty tightly that accounted for most of the transactions. Howie2
  • Score: 0

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