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Albion boss Garcia hits back at the critics

The Argus: Oscar Garcia issues instructions Oscar Garcia issues instructions

ALBION boss Oscar Garcia has hit back at critics who accuse him of being too negative after an attacking line-up drew a blank at Barnsley.

The Spaniard started with Solly March, Jesse Lingard, Leo Ulloa and David Rodriguez at Oakwell.

He also brought on Kazenga LuaLua and Craig Mackail-Smith but the Seagulls could not find a way past Barnsley, who played the last 14 minutes with ten men after Kelvin Etuhu saw red.

Oscar, asked about criticism from pockets of the fan base, told The Argus: “I can’t care about other opinions. I can’t understand that anybody can say we are not positive.

“We are always positive with our substitutions. I respect them but I have my own opinion and I am the coach.

“We wanted to score, to have positive players on the pitch, but sometimes it happens (not scoring).”

Rohan Ince remains doubtful for tomorrow night’s trip to promoted Leicester. The midfielder missed the Barnsley stalemate with a dead leg sustained in last week’s 3-3 draw at Blackburn Rovers.

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5:50am Mon 7 Apr 14

golddene says...

And he is absolutely right to criticize the opinions of some on here and the bin fest that is Northstandchat what has the man to do? he fields the most attacking team he can muster with the players that are available to him, we are where we are in spite the upheaval and mess left behind by the previous incumbent with financial hands tied behind his back and an injury crises that would derail most other teams in our league he has performed admirably in my opinion. Some of you need to just get off his back and allow him the decency to finish what he has started. Bed wetters doesn't come close describing some of the people on here and the chat.
And he is absolutely right to criticize the opinions of some on here and the bin fest that is Northstandchat what has the man to do? he fields the most attacking team he can muster with the players that are available to him, we are where we are in spite the upheaval and mess left behind by the previous incumbent with financial hands tied behind his back and an injury crises that would derail most other teams in our league he has performed admirably in my opinion. Some of you need to just get off his back and allow him the decency to finish what he has started. Bed wetters doesn't come close describing some of the people on here and the chat. golddene
  • Score: 108

6:32am Mon 7 Apr 14

Albion In Staffs says...

golddene wrote:
And he is absolutely right to criticize the opinions of some on here and the bin fest that is Northstandchat what has the man to do? he fields the most attacking team he can muster with the players that are available to him, we are where we are in spite the upheaval and mess left behind by the previous incumbent with financial hands tied behind his back and an injury crises that would derail most other teams in our league he has performed admirably in my opinion. Some of you need to just get off his back and allow him the decency to finish what he has started. Bed wetters doesn't come close describing some of the people on here and the chat.
Here here.
[quote][p][bold]golddene[/bold] wrote: And he is absolutely right to criticize the opinions of some on here and the bin fest that is Northstandchat what has the man to do? he fields the most attacking team he can muster with the players that are available to him, we are where we are in spite the upheaval and mess left behind by the previous incumbent with financial hands tied behind his back and an injury crises that would derail most other teams in our league he has performed admirably in my opinion. Some of you need to just get off his back and allow him the decency to finish what he has started. Bed wetters doesn't come close describing some of the people on here and the chat.[/p][/quote]Here here. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 35

6:45am Mon 7 Apr 14

fozziesheadband says...

Disagree, Oscar. I have been a season ticket holder for more than 30 years & in the main this season has been turged. I thought we were negative under Mike Bailey, but OG you take the biscuit! One striker up front week in week out, only playing more attacking football in the last 15 minutes of a match when we need something out of a game!

The stats speak for themselves. Our number of goals scored, shots on target & shots on goal is woeful. Was it one at Oakwell.

Our system has been found out & on recent form we will be relegation candidates next year. We need significant changes to the team, playing style, the dourness of the manager (get your ruddy hands out of your pockets & show some more animation), otherwise Tony, please find someone else to take this wonderful club to where we should be to the Premiership.

Regrettably, I can't see Oscar taking us to the Prem.
Disagree, Oscar. I have been a season ticket holder for more than 30 years & in the main this season has been turged. I thought we were negative under Mike Bailey, but OG you take the biscuit! One striker up front week in week out, only playing more attacking football in the last 15 minutes of a match when we need something out of a game! The stats speak for themselves. Our number of goals scored, shots on target & shots on goal is woeful. Was it one at Oakwell. Our system has been found out & on recent form we will be relegation candidates next year. We need significant changes to the team, playing style, the dourness of the manager (get your ruddy hands out of your pockets & show some more animation), otherwise Tony, please find someone else to take this wonderful club to where we should be to the Premiership. Regrettably, I can't see Oscar taking us to the Prem. fozziesheadband
  • Score: -2

6:57am Mon 7 Apr 14

john newman says...

Over the whole season we have been too negative. Entertaining it has not been. The days of square passing for ages without purpose have gone. You only have to watch the great teams like Madrid others to see that speed is one of the key parts to their play. Energy combined with skill is the way forward. We have showed poor application overall this season otherwise we should certainly have been in the play offs. Ask those who go to matches.
Over the whole season we have been too negative. Entertaining it has not been. The days of square passing for ages without purpose have gone. You only have to watch the great teams like Madrid others to see that speed is one of the key parts to their play. Energy combined with skill is the way forward. We have showed poor application overall this season otherwise we should certainly have been in the play offs. Ask those who go to matches. john newman
  • Score: 20

7:00am Mon 7 Apr 14

Conelli98 says...

Taxi for Oscar! Malkay or Hughton for me!
Taxi for Oscar! Malkay or Hughton for me! Conelli98
  • Score: -67

7:08am Mon 7 Apr 14

Far gull says...

The system has reached it ceiling. If you look at Sunderland stats under Gus. They have only come from behind twice all season to get a result and then one was a draw. Sounds very familiar to me.
Last season under Gus one striker and winger worked as Buckley and Bruno on the right worked and Buckley was fitter more. Bridge was almost a winger on the left with Barnes covering for him more often than not.
This system only really works with attacking and fit full backs making it more 3-6-1 as Bridcutt was helping out the centre backs who played quite wide.
The system has reached it ceiling. If you look at Sunderland stats under Gus. They have only come from behind twice all season to get a result and then one was a draw. Sounds very familiar to me. Last season under Gus one striker and winger worked as Buckley and Bruno on the right worked and Buckley was fitter more. Bridge was almost a winger on the left with Barnes covering for him more often than not. This system only really works with attacking and fit full backs making it more 3-6-1 as Bridcutt was helping out the centre backs who played quite wide. Far gull
  • Score: 22

7:10am Mon 7 Apr 14

Cory and Trevor says...

It's true that we had an attacking line-up on Saturday. The problem is that the players are static, and look scared to lose the ball with pass and move football going forward. Midfielders like Stephens receive the ball and instinctively turn backward or sideways and no options. Slow, safe football = players marked up and no opportunity of getting in behind or opening them up. Orlandi, Buckley and March are all dynamic players capable of beating a man on their own, which can create an opportunity - but only one of them on the pitch isn't enough, and shows us for what we are as a team; lacking ideas, scared of losing the ball.

Barnsley were much more enterprising than us and, contrary to what OG said post-match on seagullsworld, they had the better chances, no question about it.

Getting a bit worried, not only with performances, but the lack of a true appraisal from the management, cos it was not a question of poor finishing on Saturday.
It's true that we had an attacking line-up on Saturday. The problem is that the players are static, and look scared to lose the ball with pass and move football going forward. Midfielders like Stephens receive the ball and instinctively turn backward or sideways and no options. Slow, safe football = players marked up and no opportunity of getting in behind or opening them up. Orlandi, Buckley and March are all dynamic players capable of beating a man on their own, which can create an opportunity - but only one of them on the pitch isn't enough, and shows us for what we are as a team; lacking ideas, scared of losing the ball. Barnsley were much more enterprising than us and, contrary to what OG said post-match on seagullsworld, they had the better chances, no question about it. Getting a bit worried, not only with performances, but the lack of a true appraisal from the management, cos it was not a question of poor finishing on Saturday. Cory and Trevor
  • Score: 37

7:21am Mon 7 Apr 14

challster says...

Oscar is doing a great job! The system he is building is good. It might take players time to adjust esp new ones coming in, but just remember Rome wasn't built in a day. Think about it.. It's about time our nation became less predictable as a footballing team. I love our national team, but the only way we are going to do better is become more confident on the ball, and thus be more flexible when a formation can be changed mid game etc. Spain won the last World Cup.. Why? Because from school boy to adult, they are coached to enjoy their football, it starts with the 'tippy tappy' game - then the sharpness comes ! Can we not see that this is where we are going at brighton. Oscar came through the ranks of the great Barcelona.. Can we all not see that this is the ideal man to build our club? Look at where we are now. I've waited years for us to get back a ground to rival the goldstone, we now have it. Step 2, is now well and truly in place. Which is to build our team. It's happening.. Be patient .. In Oscar we trust. From a loyal northstand fan, of the goldstone and the Amex.
Oscar is doing a great job! The system he is building is good. It might take players time to adjust esp new ones coming in, but just remember Rome wasn't built in a day. Think about it.. It's about time our nation became less predictable as a footballing team. I love our national team, but the only way we are going to do better is become more confident on the ball, and thus be more flexible when a formation can be changed mid game etc. Spain won the last World Cup.. Why? Because from school boy to adult, they are coached to enjoy their football, it starts with the 'tippy tappy' game - then the sharpness comes ! Can we not see that this is where we are going at brighton. Oscar came through the ranks of the great Barcelona.. Can we all not see that this is the ideal man to build our club? Look at where we are now. I've waited years for us to get back a ground to rival the goldstone, we now have it. Step 2, is now well and truly in place. Which is to build our team. It's happening.. Be patient .. In Oscar we trust. From a loyal northstand fan, of the goldstone and the Amex. challster
  • Score: 29

7:24am Mon 7 Apr 14

impose our game gull says...

Mostly what we are missing is a true, top notch, quality, championship striker. Most of the season we have had plenty of shots (off target) - the chances have been there, we have got through defenses - we simply haven't finished. Same for the previous two seasons. See Ashley's goal scoring record so far at top scoring Burnley - 4 starts, 11 sub appearances - 1 goal.

The quality of the football is perfectly good - yes at times we could and should mover the ball faster. We have off days (as any other team) - just not scoring the chances created.

We could do considerably worse than with Oscar, that's for sure!!

UTA!!
Mostly what we are missing is a true, top notch, quality, championship striker. Most of the season we have had plenty of shots (off target) - the chances have been there, we have got through defenses - we simply haven't finished. Same for the previous two seasons. See Ashley's goal scoring record so far at top scoring Burnley - 4 starts, 11 sub appearances - 1 goal. The quality of the football is perfectly good - yes at times we could and should mover the ball faster. We have off days (as any other team) - just not scoring the chances created. We could do considerably worse than with Oscar, that's for sure!! UTA!! impose our game gull
  • Score: 45

7:38am Mon 7 Apr 14

challster says...

Cory and Trevor wrote:
It's true that we had an attacking line-up on Saturday. The problem is that the players are static, and look scared to lose the ball with pass and move football going forward. Midfielders like Stephens receive the ball and instinctively turn backward or sideways and no options. Slow, safe football = players marked up and no opportunity of getting in behind or opening them up. Orlandi, Buckley and March are all dynamic players capable of beating a man on their own, which can create an opportunity - but only one of them on the pitch isn't enough, and shows us for what we are as a team; lacking ideas, scared of losing the ball.

Barnsley were much more enterprising than us and, contrary to what OG said post-match on seagullsworld, they had the better chances, no question about it.

Getting a bit worried, not only with performances, but the lack of a true appraisal from the management, cos it was not a question of poor finishing on Saturday.
Oakwell is an awkward pitch to
Play on, not good for passing. That's why so many teams struggle there to grind out a result. Barnsley players know every divot I'm sure. I'd say that was a point won and NOT two dropped. Uta.
[quote][p][bold]Cory and Trevor[/bold] wrote: It's true that we had an attacking line-up on Saturday. The problem is that the players are static, and look scared to lose the ball with pass and move football going forward. Midfielders like Stephens receive the ball and instinctively turn backward or sideways and no options. Slow, safe football = players marked up and no opportunity of getting in behind or opening them up. Orlandi, Buckley and March are all dynamic players capable of beating a man on their own, which can create an opportunity - but only one of them on the pitch isn't enough, and shows us for what we are as a team; lacking ideas, scared of losing the ball. Barnsley were much more enterprising than us and, contrary to what OG said post-match on seagullsworld, they had the better chances, no question about it. Getting a bit worried, not only with performances, but the lack of a true appraisal from the management, cos it was not a question of poor finishing on Saturday.[/p][/quote]Oakwell is an awkward pitch to Play on, not good for passing. That's why so many teams struggle there to grind out a result. Barnsley players know every divot I'm sure. I'd say that was a point won and NOT two dropped. Uta. challster
  • Score: 13

7:43am Mon 7 Apr 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Interesting that Hughton should get a mention here. Norwich could well be sorry that they decided to sack him at such a crucial time of the season. Why are there always supporters who think that the way to improve things is to sack the manager? I'll wait until January next year before I make my mind up about Oscar.
Interesting that Hughton should get a mention here. Norwich could well be sorry that they decided to sack him at such a crucial time of the season. Why are there always supporters who think that the way to improve things is to sack the manager? I'll wait until January next year before I make my mind up about Oscar. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 17

7:44am Mon 7 Apr 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Most of the early comments on here reflect the fact the squad isn't capable of playing the style. Many successful club play this sort of system and my view is, don't change the style, change the players. That is why I strongly advocate patience through OG's first FULL summer in charge. Changing the style to suit current players that he may want to replace would be a level of short term-ism that would then necessitate another change.
We should sit back and let him operate in the market to bring in players more suited to a style that will stand us in good stead for a good while.
On that basis, I reckon this summer could see quite a change in the playing staff.
Most of the early comments on here reflect the fact the squad isn't capable of playing the style. Many successful club play this sort of system and my view is, don't change the style, change the players. That is why I strongly advocate patience through OG's first FULL summer in charge. Changing the style to suit current players that he may want to replace would be a level of short term-ism that would then necessitate another change. We should sit back and let him operate in the market to bring in players more suited to a style that will stand us in good stead for a good while. On that basis, I reckon this summer could see quite a change in the playing staff. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 31

7:59am Mon 7 Apr 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

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7:44am Mon 7 Apr 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Most of the early comments on here reflect the fact the squad isn't capable of playing the style. Many successful club play this sort of system and my view is, don't change the style, change the players. That is why I strongly advocate patience through OG's first FULL summer in charge. Changing the style to suit current players that he may want to replace would be a level of short term-ism that would then necessitate another change.
We should sit back and let him operate in the market to bring in players more suited to a style that will stand us in good stead for a good while.
On that basis, I reckon this summer could see quite a change in the playing staff.

The voice of reason.
Score: 2 You voted +1 .Quote » Report this post » ... 7:44am Mon 7 Apr 14 Albion In Staffs says... Most of the early comments on here reflect the fact the squad isn't capable of playing the style. Many successful club play this sort of system and my view is, don't change the style, change the players. That is why I strongly advocate patience through OG's first FULL summer in charge. Changing the style to suit current players that he may want to replace would be a level of short term-ism that would then necessitate another change. We should sit back and let him operate in the market to bring in players more suited to a style that will stand us in good stead for a good while. On that basis, I reckon this summer could see quite a change in the playing staff. The voice of reason. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 9

8:14am Mon 7 Apr 14

Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS) says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Taxi for Oscar! Malkay or Hughton for me!
Madness!!!
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Taxi for Oscar! Malkay or Hughton for me![/p][/quote]Madness!!! Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS)
  • Score: 19

8:17am Mon 7 Apr 14

Aye Aye says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Taxi for Oscar! Malkay or Hughton for me!
Really??????!!!!!!!! I think not.
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Taxi for Oscar! Malkay or Hughton for me![/p][/quote]Really??????!!!!!!!! I think not. Aye Aye
  • Score: 15

8:40am Mon 7 Apr 14

tug509 says...

challster wrote:
Oscar is doing a great job! The system he is building is good. It might take players time to adjust esp new ones coming in, but just remember Rome wasn't built in a day. Think about it.. It's about time our nation became less predictable as a footballing team. I love our national team, but the only way we are going to do better is become more confident on the ball, and thus be more flexible when a formation can be changed mid game etc. Spain won the last World Cup.. Why? Because from school boy to adult, they are coached to enjoy their football, it starts with the 'tippy tappy' game - then the sharpness comes ! Can we not see that this is where we are going at brighton. Oscar came through the ranks of the great Barcelona.. Can we all not see that this is the ideal man to build our club? Look at where we are now. I've waited years for us to get back a ground to rival the goldstone, we now have it. Step 2, is now well and truly in place. Which is to build our team. It's happening.. Be patient .. In Oscar we trust. From a loyal northstand fan, of the goldstone and the Amex.
It seems Brighton and Goldstone dont deserve a capital letter ,but Barcelona do ,loyalty begins at home .
[quote][p][bold]challster[/bold] wrote: Oscar is doing a great job! The system he is building is good. It might take players time to adjust esp new ones coming in, but just remember Rome wasn't built in a day. Think about it.. It's about time our nation became less predictable as a footballing team. I love our national team, but the only way we are going to do better is become more confident on the ball, and thus be more flexible when a formation can be changed mid game etc. Spain won the last World Cup.. Why? Because from school boy to adult, they are coached to enjoy their football, it starts with the 'tippy tappy' game - then the sharpness comes ! Can we not see that this is where we are going at brighton. Oscar came through the ranks of the great Barcelona.. Can we all not see that this is the ideal man to build our club? Look at where we are now. I've waited years for us to get back a ground to rival the goldstone, we now have it. Step 2, is now well and truly in place. Which is to build our team. It's happening.. Be patient .. In Oscar we trust. From a loyal northstand fan, of the goldstone and the Amex.[/p][/quote]It seems Brighton and Goldstone dont deserve a capital letter ,but Barcelona do ,loyalty begins at home . tug509
  • Score: -11

8:43am Mon 7 Apr 14

claud59music says...

challster wrote:
Oscar is doing a great job! The system he is building is good. It might take players time to adjust esp new ones coming in, but just remember Rome wasn't built in a day. Think about it.. It's about time our nation became less predictable as a footballing team. I love our national team, but the only way we are going to do better is become more confident on the ball, and thus be more flexible when a formation can be changed mid game etc. Spain won the last World Cup.. Why? Because from school boy to adult, they are coached to enjoy their football, it starts with the 'tippy tappy' game - then the sharpness comes ! Can we not see that this is where we are going at brighton. Oscar came through the ranks of the great Barcelona.. Can we all not see that this is the ideal man to build our club? Look at where we are now. I've waited years for us to get back a ground to rival the goldstone, we now have it. Step 2, is now well and truly in place. Which is to build our team. It's happening.. Be patient .. In Oscar we trust. From a loyal northstand fan, of the goldstone and the Amex.
It is amazing the number of fans who think that good footballers automatically become good managers. This is not the case and I think we are gradually finding this out with OG. This Albion team is quite boring to watch and have been for most of the season. Too slow and pedestrian yet the coach seems to have no idea how to rectify the situation. In OG we suffer!
[quote][p][bold]challster[/bold] wrote: Oscar is doing a great job! The system he is building is good. It might take players time to adjust esp new ones coming in, but just remember Rome wasn't built in a day. Think about it.. It's about time our nation became less predictable as a footballing team. I love our national team, but the only way we are going to do better is become more confident on the ball, and thus be more flexible when a formation can be changed mid game etc. Spain won the last World Cup.. Why? Because from school boy to adult, they are coached to enjoy their football, it starts with the 'tippy tappy' game - then the sharpness comes ! Can we not see that this is where we are going at brighton. Oscar came through the ranks of the great Barcelona.. Can we all not see that this is the ideal man to build our club? Look at where we are now. I've waited years for us to get back a ground to rival the goldstone, we now have it. Step 2, is now well and truly in place. Which is to build our team. It's happening.. Be patient .. In Oscar we trust. From a loyal northstand fan, of the goldstone and the Amex.[/p][/quote]It is amazing the number of fans who think that good footballers automatically become good managers. This is not the case and I think we are gradually finding this out with OG. This Albion team is quite boring to watch and have been for most of the season. Too slow and pedestrian yet the coach seems to have no idea how to rectify the situation. In OG we suffer! claud59music
  • Score: -13

8:47am Mon 7 Apr 14

Albion In Staffs says...

claud59music wrote:
challster wrote:
Oscar is doing a great job! The system he is building is good. It might take players time to adjust esp new ones coming in, but just remember Rome wasn't built in a day. Think about it.. It's about time our nation became less predictable as a footballing team. I love our national team, but the only way we are going to do better is become more confident on the ball, and thus be more flexible when a formation can be changed mid game etc. Spain won the last World Cup.. Why? Because from school boy to adult, they are coached to enjoy their football, it starts with the 'tippy tappy' game - then the sharpness comes ! Can we not see that this is where we are going at brighton. Oscar came through the ranks of the great Barcelona.. Can we all not see that this is the ideal man to build our club? Look at where we are now. I've waited years for us to get back a ground to rival the goldstone, we now have it. Step 2, is now well and truly in place. Which is to build our team. It's happening.. Be patient .. In Oscar we trust. From a loyal northstand fan, of the goldstone and the Amex.
It is amazing the number of fans who think that good footballers automatically become good managers. This is not the case and I think we are gradually finding this out with OG. This Albion team is quite boring to watch and have been for most of the season. Too slow and pedestrian yet the coach seems to have no idea how to rectify the situation. In OG we suffer!
If you can't significantly change the pig through a season, you can only put lipstick on it and hope....
But it'll still be a pig.
"Rectifying the situation" is what the summer's for.
[quote][p][bold]claud59music[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]challster[/bold] wrote: Oscar is doing a great job! The system he is building is good. It might take players time to adjust esp new ones coming in, but just remember Rome wasn't built in a day. Think about it.. It's about time our nation became less predictable as a footballing team. I love our national team, but the only way we are going to do better is become more confident on the ball, and thus be more flexible when a formation can be changed mid game etc. Spain won the last World Cup.. Why? Because from school boy to adult, they are coached to enjoy their football, it starts with the 'tippy tappy' game - then the sharpness comes ! Can we not see that this is where we are going at brighton. Oscar came through the ranks of the great Barcelona.. Can we all not see that this is the ideal man to build our club? Look at where we are now. I've waited years for us to get back a ground to rival the goldstone, we now have it. Step 2, is now well and truly in place. Which is to build our team. It's happening.. Be patient .. In Oscar we trust. From a loyal northstand fan, of the goldstone and the Amex.[/p][/quote]It is amazing the number of fans who think that good footballers automatically become good managers. This is not the case and I think we are gradually finding this out with OG. This Albion team is quite boring to watch and have been for most of the season. Too slow and pedestrian yet the coach seems to have no idea how to rectify the situation. In OG we suffer![/p][/quote]If you can't significantly change the pig through a season, you can only put lipstick on it and hope.... But it'll still be a pig. "Rectifying the situation" is what the summer's for. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -8

8:55am Mon 7 Apr 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS) wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Taxi for Oscar! Malkay or Hughton for me!
Madness!!!
Some supporters have even suggested Billy Davies for Albion, if he could stop being obnoxious, now that would be madness. There are some good managers out there but also a lot of bad ones, Oscar is still a bit of an unknown quantity, probably best to stick with him and see what he can do next season.
[quote][p][bold]Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Taxi for Oscar! Malkay or Hughton for me![/p][/quote]Madness!!![/p][/quote]Some supporters have even suggested Billy Davies for Albion, if he could stop being obnoxious, now that would be madness. There are some good managers out there but also a lot of bad ones, Oscar is still a bit of an unknown quantity, probably best to stick with him and see what he can do next season. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 10

9:05am Mon 7 Apr 14

championshipgull says...

Personally I have liked the football this season the technical aspect I think is entertaining. Appreciate the view of others that want it played quickly up to two front men, and we have seen a few more long balls of late. Perhaps a mixture of both keeps the opposition guessing, but even then not everybody is going to be happy. Oscar has done a great job as far as I am concerned but next season is going to be the telling one.
Personally I have liked the football this season the technical aspect I think is entertaining. Appreciate the view of others that want it played quickly up to two front men, and we have seen a few more long balls of late. Perhaps a mixture of both keeps the opposition guessing, but even then not everybody is going to be happy. Oscar has done a great job as far as I am concerned but next season is going to be the telling one. championshipgull
  • Score: 17

9:18am Mon 7 Apr 14

tug509 says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
claud59music wrote:
challster wrote:
Oscar is doing a great job! The system he is building is good. It might take players time to adjust esp new ones coming in, but just remember Rome wasn't built in a day. Think about it.. It's about time our nation became less predictable as a footballing team. I love our national team, but the only way we are going to do better is become more confident on the ball, and thus be more flexible when a formation can be changed mid game etc. Spain won the last World Cup.. Why? Because from school boy to adult, they are coached to enjoy their football, it starts with the 'tippy tappy' game - then the sharpness comes ! Can we not see that this is where we are going at brighton. Oscar came through the ranks of the great Barcelona.. Can we all not see that this is the ideal man to build our club? Look at where we are now. I've waited years for us to get back a ground to rival the goldstone, we now have it. Step 2, is now well and truly in place. Which is to build our team. It's happening.. Be patient .. In Oscar we trust. From a loyal northstand fan, of the goldstone and the Amex.
It is amazing the number of fans who think that good footballers automatically become good managers. This is not the case and I think we are gradually finding this out with OG. This Albion team is quite boring to watch and have been for most of the season. Too slow and pedestrian yet the coach seems to have no idea how to rectify the situation. In OG we suffer!
If you can't significantly change the pig through a season, you can only put lipstick on it and hope....
But it'll still be a pig.
"Rectifying the situation" is what the summer's for.
In essence what your saying is that this entire season was always going to be a right off ! ,Oscar did not have a proper period of time over last summer ,so this season ,we should expect nothing and wait for the next ,thats a lot to ask ,and expect from paying fans ,even loyal Brighton fans . What will be the excuse next time ?.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claud59music[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]challster[/bold] wrote: Oscar is doing a great job! The system he is building is good. It might take players time to adjust esp new ones coming in, but just remember Rome wasn't built in a day. Think about it.. It's about time our nation became less predictable as a footballing team. I love our national team, but the only way we are going to do better is become more confident on the ball, and thus be more flexible when a formation can be changed mid game etc. Spain won the last World Cup.. Why? Because from school boy to adult, they are coached to enjoy their football, it starts with the 'tippy tappy' game - then the sharpness comes ! Can we not see that this is where we are going at brighton. Oscar came through the ranks of the great Barcelona.. Can we all not see that this is the ideal man to build our club? Look at where we are now. I've waited years for us to get back a ground to rival the goldstone, we now have it. Step 2, is now well and truly in place. Which is to build our team. It's happening.. Be patient .. In Oscar we trust. From a loyal northstand fan, of the goldstone and the Amex.[/p][/quote]It is amazing the number of fans who think that good footballers automatically become good managers. This is not the case and I think we are gradually finding this out with OG. This Albion team is quite boring to watch and have been for most of the season. Too slow and pedestrian yet the coach seems to have no idea how to rectify the situation. In OG we suffer![/p][/quote]If you can't significantly change the pig through a season, you can only put lipstick on it and hope.... But it'll still be a pig. "Rectifying the situation" is what the summer's for.[/p][/quote]In essence what your saying is that this entire season was always going to be a right off ! ,Oscar did not have a proper period of time over last summer ,so this season ,we should expect nothing and wait for the next ,thats a lot to ask ,and expect from paying fans ,even loyal Brighton fans . What will be the excuse next time ?. tug509
  • Score: 1

9:19am Mon 7 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

I think OG changed his side after criticism , and then got more after Saturday,
Where some on here say OG needs a summer to bring in his players ...
Do we know if he is in charge of selecting his loans and purchases?
The big changes within the squad will mainly be defensive , ie GG caldi, etc
How can that improve our woeful goal tally, as some have said, those that actually attend the Amex every game have been bored rigid with total lack of creativity and pace.
Those that bring his barca connection as a positive need to remember sides have sussed that out, in previous seasons sides have got 11 behind the ball and allowed teams to knock it around the halfway line without a challenge ..
Unless your really good at retention sides can't do it, watch Chelsea , man city and the side that changed it all Bayern Munich .. Unless your barca you won't get time on the ball, Andrews, Spanish Dave , both look out of sorts when sides close us down as a unit, watch Bayern hunt in 4-5 s closing the ball and every option other than the long ball.
Ulloa looks totally fed up, the guy has been played with knocks , and when not fully fit, that's the English way, he clearly is not happy.
Why can't the argus get clarity to questions the fans want answers to?
Who is in charge of bringing players in? If it's Burke, how can OG play his way?
I am not convinced by OG or jones, but if there hands are tied something needs to give, IF THIS IS WHY GUS WANTED AWAY THEN LETS HEAR IT!
I think OG changed his side after criticism , and then got more after Saturday, Where some on here say OG needs a summer to bring in his players ... Do we know if he is in charge of selecting his loans and purchases? The big changes within the squad will mainly be defensive , ie GG caldi, etc How can that improve our woeful goal tally, as some have said, those that actually attend the Amex every game have been bored rigid with total lack of creativity and pace. Those that bring his barca connection as a positive need to remember sides have sussed that out, in previous seasons sides have got 11 behind the ball and allowed teams to knock it around the halfway line without a challenge .. Unless your really good at retention sides can't do it, watch Chelsea , man city and the side that changed it all Bayern Munich .. Unless your barca you won't get time on the ball, Andrews, Spanish Dave , both look out of sorts when sides close us down as a unit, watch Bayern hunt in 4-5 s closing the ball and every option other than the long ball. Ulloa looks totally fed up, the guy has been played with knocks , and when not fully fit, that's the English way, he clearly is not happy. Why can't the argus get clarity to questions the fans want answers to? Who is in charge of bringing players in? If it's Burke, how can OG play his way? I am not convinced by OG or jones, but if there hands are tied something needs to give, IF THIS IS WHY GUS WANTED AWAY THEN LETS HEAR IT! mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

9:21am Mon 7 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

For the life of me i cannot understand the blind optimism which surrounds Oscar. OK, he has played for Barcelona but that is hardly the benchmark in defining him as a coach. Anyone who regularly attends games share the opinion that in the main team selection is a mystery and the tactics and game plans are one dimensional.

Burke and Day have hardly covered themselves in glory with the people they have bought in. There has been no significant investment following the sales of Bridcutt, Barnes and a bit before that Noone. The alleged Jones recommendations are not Championship standard.

At the end of the day what we have is not working so the time is right to move on and make significant changes to get things ready for 2014-15. There is no justification for another lost close season which we suffered from last year when this time it is within the club's control.

Perhaps, when the play offs are off the radar we might consider picking some of our own players such as Chicksen,Maksimenko and Monakama rather than the loanees who won't be here next year. If they are not tried we will never know. The club will probably struggle to hold onto Ward,Lingard will go back to Old Trafford and if a minutes thought is taken up in considering signing Andrews permanately then enough said.

Occar, Jones, Burke and Day OUT !!!
For the life of me i cannot understand the blind optimism which surrounds Oscar. OK, he has played for Barcelona but that is hardly the benchmark in defining him as a coach. Anyone who regularly attends games share the opinion that in the main team selection is a mystery and the tactics and game plans are one dimensional. Burke and Day have hardly covered themselves in glory with the people they have bought in. There has been no significant investment following the sales of Bridcutt, Barnes and a bit before that Noone. The alleged Jones recommendations are not Championship standard. At the end of the day what we have is not working so the time is right to move on and make significant changes to get things ready for 2014-15. There is no justification for another lost close season which we suffered from last year when this time it is within the club's control. Perhaps, when the play offs are off the radar we might consider picking some of our own players such as Chicksen,Maksimenko and Monakama rather than the loanees who won't be here next year. If they are not tried we will never know. The club will probably struggle to hold onto Ward,Lingard will go back to Old Trafford and if a minutes thought is taken up in considering signing Andrews permanately then enough said. Occar, Jones, Burke and Day OUT !!! oscar must go
  • Score: -8

9:22am Mon 7 Apr 14

Towner83 says...

golddene wrote:
And he is absolutely right to criticize the opinions of some on here and the bin fest that is Northstandchat what has the man to do? he fields the most attacking team he can muster with the players that are available to him, we are where we are in spite the upheaval and mess left behind by the previous incumbent with financial hands tied behind his back and an injury crises that would derail most other teams in our league he has performed admirably in my opinion. Some of you need to just get off his back and allow him the decency to finish what he has started. Bed wetters doesn't come close describing some of the people on here and the chat.
Well said that man. Same people were saying the same stuff about poyet last season and frankly it's boring and embarrassing
[quote][p][bold]golddene[/bold] wrote: And he is absolutely right to criticize the opinions of some on here and the bin fest that is Northstandchat what has the man to do? he fields the most attacking team he can muster with the players that are available to him, we are where we are in spite the upheaval and mess left behind by the previous incumbent with financial hands tied behind his back and an injury crises that would derail most other teams in our league he has performed admirably in my opinion. Some of you need to just get off his back and allow him the decency to finish what he has started. Bed wetters doesn't come close describing some of the people on here and the chat.[/p][/quote]Well said that man. Same people were saying the same stuff about poyet last season and frankly it's boring and embarrassing Towner83
  • Score: 8

9:25am Mon 7 Apr 14

fratsomrover says...

Oscar says " I can’t understand that anybody can say we are not positive.
“We are always positive with our substitutions"
Well Oscar I suggest that one shot on target in 90 mins of football against a team who have conceded 65 goals does suggests we are not positive !
How would you describe it ?
And as for being positive with our substitutions, why not be positive from the start? I'd rather see us take a 2 or 3 goal lead with a positive start and then make defensive substitutions to hold on to the lead.
It is the tactics we employ which the fans complain about.
We have some of the most exciting players at the club that I can remember. Buckley, March,Lua Lua, Ulloa, Ince, Crofts, Stephens,Orlandi, CMS, Bruno, Ward all have great talent, but they need to play with the freedom of expression to reap the skills and pace that they possess.
Teams like Liverpool, Man City etc attack from the off and steamroller teams to take the initiative and put their opponents on the back foot.
We seem to do the opposite.
The criticism is due to the tactics we employ.
Oscar says " I can’t understand that anybody can say we are not positive. “We are always positive with our substitutions" Well Oscar I suggest that one shot on target in 90 mins of football against a team who have conceded 65 goals does suggests we are not positive ! How would you describe it ? And as for being positive with our substitutions, why not be positive from the start? I'd rather see us take a 2 or 3 goal lead with a positive start and then make defensive substitutions to hold on to the lead. It is the tactics we employ which the fans complain about. We have some of the most exciting players at the club that I can remember. Buckley, March,Lua Lua, Ulloa, Ince, Crofts, Stephens,Orlandi, CMS, Bruno, Ward all have great talent, but they need to play with the freedom of expression to reap the skills and pace that they possess. Teams like Liverpool, Man City etc attack from the off and steamroller teams to take the initiative and put their opponents on the back foot. We seem to do the opposite. The criticism is due to the tactics we employ. fratsomrover
  • Score: 26

9:27am Mon 7 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

Woops,

OSCAR not Occar.
Woops, OSCAR not Occar. oscar must go
  • Score: -9

9:31am Mon 7 Apr 14

SecondReserve says...

The key phrase from the Garcia quote is of course ".. with our substitutions.". Yes, we are indeed positive with our substitutions but that's because, for almost every one of our 40 league games, we have been incredibly negative for the first three-quarters of every match. As others have implied, Mike Bailey's brand of football was exciting compared to Garcia's. For all of us who remember Bailey's approach that really is saying something.

Interesting quote from our old friend Poyet in the papers this morning. Talking about the possibility of Sunderland being relegated he said "I hate excuses, but I've got a lot of them. I've got a list". That's very familiar, was anything ever Poyet's fault???
The key phrase from the Garcia quote is of course ".. with our substitutions.". Yes, we are indeed positive with our substitutions but that's because, for almost every one of our 40 league games, we have been incredibly negative for the first three-quarters of every match. As others have implied, Mike Bailey's brand of football was exciting compared to Garcia's. For all of us who remember Bailey's approach that really is saying something. Interesting quote from our old friend Poyet in the papers this morning. Talking about the possibility of Sunderland being relegated he said "I hate excuses, but I've got a lot of them. I've got a list". That's very familiar, was anything ever Poyet's fault??? SecondReserve
  • Score: 7

9:33am Mon 7 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

fratsomrover wrote:
Oscar says " I can’t understand that anybody can say we are not positive.
“We are always positive with our substitutions"
Well Oscar I suggest that one shot on target in 90 mins of football against a team who have conceded 65 goals does suggests we are not positive !
How would you describe it ?
And as for being positive with our substitutions, why not be positive from the start? I'd rather see us take a 2 or 3 goal lead with a positive start and then make defensive substitutions to hold on to the lead.
It is the tactics we employ which the fans complain about.
We have some of the most exciting players at the club that I can remember. Buckley, March,Lua Lua, Ulloa, Ince, Crofts, Stephens,Orlandi, CMS, Bruno, Ward all have great talent, but they need to play with the freedom of expression to reap the skills and pace that they possess.
Teams like Liverpool, Man City etc attack from the off and steamroller teams to take the initiative and put their opponents on the back foot.
We seem to do the opposite.
The criticism is due to the tactics we employ.
OG makes positive subs, of course he does, we never get going till a hour is gone, we then bring on lua lua, and we start to play , as you say fire 3 in then go negative and close the game down...
Liverpool, man city GOALS
LEICESTER , Burnley goals
Success now is about playing to win every game, that's made the premier league great this season.
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: Oscar says " I can’t understand that anybody can say we are not positive. “We are always positive with our substitutions" Well Oscar I suggest that one shot on target in 90 mins of football against a team who have conceded 65 goals does suggests we are not positive ! How would you describe it ? And as for being positive with our substitutions, why not be positive from the start? I'd rather see us take a 2 or 3 goal lead with a positive start and then make defensive substitutions to hold on to the lead. It is the tactics we employ which the fans complain about. We have some of the most exciting players at the club that I can remember. Buckley, March,Lua Lua, Ulloa, Ince, Crofts, Stephens,Orlandi, CMS, Bruno, Ward all have great talent, but they need to play with the freedom of expression to reap the skills and pace that they possess. Teams like Liverpool, Man City etc attack from the off and steamroller teams to take the initiative and put their opponents on the back foot. We seem to do the opposite. The criticism is due to the tactics we employ.[/p][/quote]OG makes positive subs, of course he does, we never get going till a hour is gone, we then bring on lua lua, and we start to play , as you say fire 3 in then go negative and close the game down... Liverpool, man city GOALS LEICESTER , Burnley goals Success now is about playing to win every game, that's made the premier league great this season. mark by the sea
  • Score: 7

9:35am Mon 7 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

SecondReserve wrote:
The key phrase from the Garcia quote is of course ".. with our substitutions.". Yes, we are indeed positive with our substitutions but that's because, for almost every one of our 40 league games, we have been incredibly negative for the first three-quarters of every match. As others have implied, Mike Bailey's brand of football was exciting compared to Garcia's. For all of us who remember Bailey's approach that really is saying something.

Interesting quote from our old friend Poyet in the papers this morning. Talking about the possibility of Sunderland being relegated he said "I hate excuses, but I've got a lot of them. I've got a list". That's very familiar, was anything ever Poyet's fault???
Your post was better than mine, but you expressed the same thing.
[quote][p][bold]SecondReserve[/bold] wrote: The key phrase from the Garcia quote is of course ".. with our substitutions.". Yes, we are indeed positive with our substitutions but that's because, for almost every one of our 40 league games, we have been incredibly negative for the first three-quarters of every match. As others have implied, Mike Bailey's brand of football was exciting compared to Garcia's. For all of us who remember Bailey's approach that really is saying something. Interesting quote from our old friend Poyet in the papers this morning. Talking about the possibility of Sunderland being relegated he said "I hate excuses, but I've got a lot of them. I've got a list". That's very familiar, was anything ever Poyet's fault???[/p][/quote]Your post was better than mine, but you expressed the same thing. mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

9:42am Mon 7 Apr 14

Albion In Staffs says...

tug509 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
claud59music wrote:
challster wrote:
Oscar is doing a great job! The system he is building is good. It might take players time to adjust esp new ones coming in, but just remember Rome wasn't built in a day. Think about it.. It's about time our nation became less predictable as a footballing team. I love our national team, but the only way we are going to do better is become more confident on the ball, and thus be more flexible when a formation can be changed mid game etc. Spain won the last World Cup.. Why? Because from school boy to adult, they are coached to enjoy their football, it starts with the 'tippy tappy' game - then the sharpness comes ! Can we not see that this is where we are going at brighton. Oscar came through the ranks of the great Barcelona.. Can we all not see that this is the ideal man to build our club? Look at where we are now. I've waited years for us to get back a ground to rival the goldstone, we now have it. Step 2, is now well and truly in place. Which is to build our team. It's happening.. Be patient .. In Oscar we trust. From a loyal northstand fan, of the goldstone and the Amex.
It is amazing the number of fans who think that good footballers automatically become good managers. This is not the case and I think we are gradually finding this out with OG. This Albion team is quite boring to watch and have been for most of the season. Too slow and pedestrian yet the coach seems to have no idea how to rectify the situation. In OG we suffer!
If you can't significantly change the pig through a season, you can only put lipstick on it and hope....
But it'll still be a pig.
"Rectifying the situation" is what the summer's for.
In essence what your saying is that this entire season was always going to be a right off ! ,Oscar did not have a proper period of time over last summer ,so this season ,we should expect nothing and wait for the next ,thats a lot to ask ,and expect from paying fans ,even loyal Brighton fans . What will be the excuse next time ?.
Tug,
Like most of us, my opinion is based on the wonderful benefit of hindsight - so I'm certainly not pretending "I told you so" in terms of this season.
I appreciate patience is a lot to ask of fans in general, but my view is that changing the manager/coach at the slightest suggestion of a downturn, is not the way forward. He should be given time to use his first full summer to maximum effect ands bring in players he feels are more suited to the system. As it stands, a full summer of preparation is the one hefty unknown with Oscar. Certainly, the list of possible 'excuses' lessen as time passes and yes, there may come a time when something needs to change. But not now, it's far too early and that's my point.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claud59music[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]challster[/bold] wrote: Oscar is doing a great job! The system he is building is good. It might take players time to adjust esp new ones coming in, but just remember Rome wasn't built in a day. Think about it.. It's about time our nation became less predictable as a footballing team. I love our national team, but the only way we are going to do better is become more confident on the ball, and thus be more flexible when a formation can be changed mid game etc. Spain won the last World Cup.. Why? Because from school boy to adult, they are coached to enjoy their football, it starts with the 'tippy tappy' game - then the sharpness comes ! Can we not see that this is where we are going at brighton. Oscar came through the ranks of the great Barcelona.. Can we all not see that this is the ideal man to build our club? Look at where we are now. I've waited years for us to get back a ground to rival the goldstone, we now have it. Step 2, is now well and truly in place. Which is to build our team. It's happening.. Be patient .. In Oscar we trust. From a loyal northstand fan, of the goldstone and the Amex.[/p][/quote]It is amazing the number of fans who think that good footballers automatically become good managers. This is not the case and I think we are gradually finding this out with OG. This Albion team is quite boring to watch and have been for most of the season. Too slow and pedestrian yet the coach seems to have no idea how to rectify the situation. In OG we suffer![/p][/quote]If you can't significantly change the pig through a season, you can only put lipstick on it and hope.... But it'll still be a pig. "Rectifying the situation" is what the summer's for.[/p][/quote]In essence what your saying is that this entire season was always going to be a right off ! ,Oscar did not have a proper period of time over last summer ,so this season ,we should expect nothing and wait for the next ,thats a lot to ask ,and expect from paying fans ,even loyal Brighton fans . What will be the excuse next time ?.[/p][/quote]Tug, Like most of us, my opinion is based on the wonderful benefit of hindsight - so I'm certainly not pretending "I told you so" in terms of this season. I appreciate patience is a lot to ask of fans in general, but my view is that changing the manager/coach at the slightest suggestion of a downturn, is not the way forward. He should be given time to use his first full summer to maximum effect ands bring in players he feels are more suited to the system. As it stands, a full summer of preparation is the one hefty unknown with Oscar. Certainly, the list of possible 'excuses' lessen as time passes and yes, there may come a time when something needs to change. But not now, it's far too early and that's my point. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 9

9:52am Mon 7 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
claud59music wrote:
challster wrote:
Oscar is doing a great job! The system he is building is good. It might take players time to adjust esp new ones coming in, but just remember Rome wasn't built in a day. Think about it.. It's about time our nation became less predictable as a footballing team. I love our national team, but the only way we are going to do better is become more confident on the ball, and thus be more flexible when a formation can be changed mid game etc. Spain won the last World Cup.. Why? Because from school boy to adult, they are coached to enjoy their football, it starts with the 'tippy tappy' game - then the sharpness comes ! Can we not see that this is where we are going at brighton. Oscar came through the ranks of the great Barcelona.. Can we all not see that this is the ideal man to build our club? Look at where we are now. I've waited years for us to get back a ground to rival the goldstone, we now have it. Step 2, is now well and truly in place. Which is to build our team. It's happening.. Be patient .. In Oscar we trust. From a loyal northstand fan, of the goldstone and the Amex.
It is amazing the number of fans who think that good footballers automatically become good managers. This is not the case and I think we are gradually finding this out with OG. This Albion team is quite boring to watch and have been for most of the season. Too slow and pedestrian yet the coach seems to have no idea how to rectify the situation. In OG we suffer!
If you can't significantly change the pig through a season, you can only put lipstick on it and hope....
But it'll still be a pig.
"Rectifying the situation" is what the summer's for.
In essence what your saying is that this entire season was always going to be a right off ! ,Oscar did not have a proper period of time over last summer ,so this season ,we should expect nothing and wait for the next ,thats a lot to ask ,and expect from paying fans ,even loyal Brighton fans . What will be the excuse next time ?.
Tug,
Like most of us, my opinion is based on the wonderful benefit of hindsight - so I'm certainly not pretending "I told you so" in terms of this season.
I appreciate patience is a lot to ask of fans in general, but my view is that changing the manager/coach at the slightest suggestion of a downturn, is not the way forward. He should be given time to use his first full summer to maximum effect ands bring in players he feels are more suited to the system. As it stands, a full summer of preparation is the one hefty unknown with Oscar. Certainly, the list of possible 'excuses' lessen as time passes and yes, there may come a time when something needs to change. But not now, it's far too early and that's my point.
Problem is we don't really know if OG will be signing his players! And I think that's a lot to do with the unrest with fans, there is no clarity in who is in charge .
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claud59music[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]challster[/bold] wrote: Oscar is doing a great job! The system he is building is good. It might take players time to adjust esp new ones coming in, but just remember Rome wasn't built in a day. Think about it.. It's about time our nation became less predictable as a footballing team. I love our national team, but the only way we are going to do better is become more confident on the ball, and thus be more flexible when a formation can be changed mid game etc. Spain won the last World Cup.. Why? Because from school boy to adult, they are coached to enjoy their football, it starts with the 'tippy tappy' game - then the sharpness comes ! Can we not see that this is where we are going at brighton. Oscar came through the ranks of the great Barcelona.. Can we all not see that this is the ideal man to build our club? Look at where we are now. I've waited years for us to get back a ground to rival the goldstone, we now have it. Step 2, is now well and truly in place. Which is to build our team. It's happening.. Be patient .. In Oscar we trust. From a loyal northstand fan, of the goldstone and the Amex.[/p][/quote]It is amazing the number of fans who think that good footballers automatically become good managers. This is not the case and I think we are gradually finding this out with OG. This Albion team is quite boring to watch and have been for most of the season. Too slow and pedestrian yet the coach seems to have no idea how to rectify the situation. In OG we suffer![/p][/quote]If you can't significantly change the pig through a season, you can only put lipstick on it and hope.... But it'll still be a pig. "Rectifying the situation" is what the summer's for.[/p][/quote]In essence what your saying is that this entire season was always going to be a right off ! ,Oscar did not have a proper period of time over last summer ,so this season ,we should expect nothing and wait for the next ,thats a lot to ask ,and expect from paying fans ,even loyal Brighton fans . What will be the excuse next time ?.[/p][/quote]Tug, Like most of us, my opinion is based on the wonderful benefit of hindsight - so I'm certainly not pretending "I told you so" in terms of this season. I appreciate patience is a lot to ask of fans in general, but my view is that changing the manager/coach at the slightest suggestion of a downturn, is not the way forward. He should be given time to use his first full summer to maximum effect ands bring in players he feels are more suited to the system. As it stands, a full summer of preparation is the one hefty unknown with Oscar. Certainly, the list of possible 'excuses' lessen as time passes and yes, there may come a time when something needs to change. But not now, it's far too early and that's my point.[/p][/quote]Problem is we don't really know if OG will be signing his players! And I think that's a lot to do with the unrest with fans, there is no clarity in who is in charge . mark by the sea
  • Score: -1

9:53am Mon 7 Apr 14

wiseman of hove says...

mark by the sea wrote:
I think OG changed his side after criticism , and then got more after Saturday,
Where some on here say OG needs a summer to bring in his players ...
Do we know if he is in charge of selecting his loans and purchases?
The big changes within the squad will mainly be defensive , ie GG caldi, etc
How can that improve our woeful goal tally, as some have said, those that actually attend the Amex every game have been bored rigid with total lack of creativity and pace.
Those that bring his barca connection as a positive need to remember sides have sussed that out, in previous seasons sides have got 11 behind the ball and allowed teams to knock it around the halfway line without a challenge ..
Unless your really good at retention sides can't do it, watch Chelsea , man city and the side that changed it all Bayern Munich .. Unless your barca you won't get time on the ball, Andrews, Spanish Dave , both look out of sorts when sides close us down as a unit, watch Bayern hunt in 4-5 s closing the ball and every option other than the long ball.
Ulloa looks totally fed up, the guy has been played with knocks , and when not fully fit, that's the English way, he clearly is not happy.
Why can't the argus get clarity to questions the fans want answers to?
Who is in charge of bringing players in? If it's Burke, how can OG play his way?
I am not convinced by OG or jones, but if there hands are tied something needs to give, IF THIS IS WHY GUS WANTED AWAY THEN LETS HEAR IT!
You have of course asked the pertinent question, Mark. "Just who is in charge of bringing the players in?"
Ulloa? Not sure I have seen a player in an Albion shirt so fed up.
I have yet to read the thread on CMS this morning but if he feels 100%, he would lead the line for me tomorrow.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I think OG changed his side after criticism , and then got more after Saturday, Where some on here say OG needs a summer to bring in his players ... Do we know if he is in charge of selecting his loans and purchases? The big changes within the squad will mainly be defensive , ie GG caldi, etc How can that improve our woeful goal tally, as some have said, those that actually attend the Amex every game have been bored rigid with total lack of creativity and pace. Those that bring his barca connection as a positive need to remember sides have sussed that out, in previous seasons sides have got 11 behind the ball and allowed teams to knock it around the halfway line without a challenge .. Unless your really good at retention sides can't do it, watch Chelsea , man city and the side that changed it all Bayern Munich .. Unless your barca you won't get time on the ball, Andrews, Spanish Dave , both look out of sorts when sides close us down as a unit, watch Bayern hunt in 4-5 s closing the ball and every option other than the long ball. Ulloa looks totally fed up, the guy has been played with knocks , and when not fully fit, that's the English way, he clearly is not happy. Why can't the argus get clarity to questions the fans want answers to? Who is in charge of bringing players in? If it's Burke, how can OG play his way? I am not convinced by OG or jones, but if there hands are tied something needs to give, IF THIS IS WHY GUS WANTED AWAY THEN LETS HEAR IT![/p][/quote]You have of course asked the pertinent question, Mark. "Just who is in charge of bringing the players in?" Ulloa? Not sure I have seen a player in an Albion shirt so fed up. I have yet to read the thread on CMS this morning but if he feels 100%, he would lead the line for me tomorrow. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 7

9:55am Mon 7 Apr 14

Anthony 14 says...

Glad to see that reporters are finally acknowledging the thoughts of the fans and challenging OG about his tactics. We can't continue to have the usual drivel that comes from him "we were better then them" we deserved to win" etc etc, zzzzzzzz

I was at Barnsley on Saturday and we were woeful, which is being polite. Makes me laugh when fans come on here and blame the pitch at Oakwell - what a load of rubbish. We were dire and lacked commitment. Some of the players looked fed up, and we have to point at OG for that - not the pitch.

His comments about the number of attacking players on the pitch is also laughable - if it only it was that simple! Its the way he is positioning these players which is the problem - he is obsessed by putting strikers on the wing and now he is playing wingers through the middle - KLL came on and was playing through the middle for some reason, and didn't really seem to know where he was playing. Also, he only brought on CMS after they went down to 10 and that his number 1 priority, not losing the game, was totally safe. When CMS came on he started on the right wing, and then was told to play down the middle - again he didn't seem to know where is was playing.

Performances likes Saturday are happening time and time again and I'm totally amazed that we are 8th in truth.
Glad to see that reporters are finally acknowledging the thoughts of the fans and challenging OG about his tactics. We can't continue to have the usual drivel that comes from him "we were better then them" we deserved to win" etc etc, zzzzzzzz I was at Barnsley on Saturday and we were woeful, which is being polite. Makes me laugh when fans come on here and blame the pitch at Oakwell - what a load of rubbish. We were dire and lacked commitment. Some of the players looked fed up, and we have to point at OG for that - not the pitch. His comments about the number of attacking players on the pitch is also laughable - if it only it was that simple! Its the way he is positioning these players which is the problem - he is obsessed by putting strikers on the wing and now he is playing wingers through the middle - KLL came on and was playing through the middle for some reason, and didn't really seem to know where he was playing. Also, he only brought on CMS after they went down to 10 and that his number 1 priority, not losing the game, was totally safe. When CMS came on he started on the right wing, and then was told to play down the middle - again he didn't seem to know where is was playing. Performances likes Saturday are happening time and time again and I'm totally amazed that we are 8th in truth. Anthony 14
  • Score: 17

10:00am Mon 7 Apr 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Lots of comments on here criticising Oscar are borne out of disappointment that we are not going up this year. Or so it looks. We are still in with a shout so let's see what happens. I like Oscar, but he's learning the English game and I am sure we'll see much better next year.
I'm glad some of the moaners aren't making the decisions. We don't need knee jerk reactions at our great club. Just stay calm and give the team 100% support until the fat lady sings. UTA
Lots of comments on here criticising Oscar are borne out of disappointment that we are not going up this year. Or so it looks. We are still in with a shout so let's see what happens. I like Oscar, but he's learning the English game and I am sure we'll see much better next year. I'm glad some of the moaners aren't making the decisions. We don't need knee jerk reactions at our great club. Just stay calm and give the team 100% support until the fat lady sings. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 6

10:08am Mon 7 Apr 14

Neville says...

It seems OG is above any sort of criticism,especially from the Argus.In his first season he has done well to keep us in reach of the playoffs,albeit we have been helped by other teams inconsistency and unfortunately we have not been able to take advantage.A after going our usuat start of the season TB was quoted as expecting a top 6 finish although we have a mid table budget.
I am a season ticket holder and go to every home match and can honestly say there are only a handful of games where we have played really well with flowing football,the best probably against Wigan once we went behind,which is pretty normal for The Amex.
My area of criticism is that in my opinion OG is more concerned with conceding than scoring and this is shown in his starting line ups especially at home regardless of the opposition.
We never play 2 wingers and Ulloa isolated,very slow build up from the back to the halfway line and then back or sideways,no one knows what to do in the final third and we lack quality balls into the box.We do not score from corners or free kicks because of the powder puff delivery and players are afraid to take responsibility generally and shoot when given the chance,KLL being the exception.
With our slow build up the opposition is allowed to regroup and this is one of the reasons we don't score enough,we play at the same pace generally regardless whether winning or losing.
We have found ourselves in the mix and still have not really gone for it with an attacking mentality,yes Saturday he was more adventurous but only after a dire first half and if KLL can only play 15 mins each match then something needs to change.
I accept the play offs have now gone but the inability or inflexibility of the management team has been a sticking point and our goals scored tally proves this system with the current players does not work.
Those who listen to the away commentaries will hear the same theme from the summarisers.
There certainly needs to be a rethink,especially with the recruitment set up,the loans of Lita and Obika and the purchase of Augustien have been awfully handled to say the least.
The failure to replace Barnes when he made his intentions clear at the start of the season about not signing a new contract,was poor management.
Next season will be even more difficult with a rebuild necessary and likely we will lose TK,WB and LU.
It seems OG is above any sort of criticism,especially from the Argus.In his first season he has done well to keep us in reach of the playoffs,albeit we have been helped by other teams inconsistency and unfortunately we have not been able to take advantage.A after going our usuat start of the season TB was quoted as expecting a top 6 finish although we have a mid table budget. I am a season ticket holder and go to every home match and can honestly say there are only a handful of games where we have played really well with flowing football,the best probably against Wigan once we went behind,which is pretty normal for The Amex. My area of criticism is that in my opinion OG is more concerned with conceding than scoring and this is shown in his starting line ups especially at home regardless of the opposition. We never play 2 wingers and Ulloa isolated,very slow build up from the back to the halfway line and then back or sideways,no one knows what to do in the final third and we lack quality balls into the box.We do not score from corners or free kicks because of the powder puff delivery and players are afraid to take responsibility generally and shoot when given the chance,KLL being the exception. With our slow build up the opposition is allowed to regroup and this is one of the reasons we don't score enough,we play at the same pace generally regardless whether winning or losing. We have found ourselves in the mix and still have not really gone for it with an attacking mentality,yes Saturday he was more adventurous but only after a dire first half and if KLL can only play 15 mins each match then something needs to change. I accept the play offs have now gone but the inability or inflexibility of the management team has been a sticking point and our goals scored tally proves this system with the current players does not work. Those who listen to the away commentaries will hear the same theme from the summarisers. There certainly needs to be a rethink,especially with the recruitment set up,the loans of Lita and Obika and the purchase of Augustien have been awfully handled to say the least. The failure to replace Barnes when he made his intentions clear at the start of the season about not signing a new contract,was poor management. Next season will be even more difficult with a rebuild necessary and likely we will lose TK,WB and LU. Neville
  • Score: 19

10:13am Mon 7 Apr 14

elljam says...

There is no doubt that circumstances haven't been ideal for Oscar since his arrival & I'm sure that he will have been frustrated by the amount of injuries this season.
I also appreciate the comments of the die hard fans who have supported the club through the bad times & rightly state the things are now a million miles better than back then.
The problem I have with Oscar is that for me football is an entertainment business & this season, apart from the odd exception I have not been greatly entertained. Personally I would rather be watching a bottom-half team who played at a higher tempo & attacked in numbers at the risk of leaving themselves open at the back than watching our top-half team who play at a slow tempo & rarely throw bodies forward. Sure some fans will argue that it's all about results & that's fair enough if that is all that matters to them.
However after paying just short of a grand for myself & my son for the season I feel there has been little value for money.season
Obviously every match is not going to be a belter but after seeing every home match & listening to most away games on the radio & it's felt like Groundhog Day because 90% of the time I'm seeing/hearing the same thing, which is "not the greatest of games". The best thing I can say about us this season is that we have a way of playing that make's the opposition look ordinary (bar the odd exception) but the trouble is we look ordinary too & therefore you are barely getting any real entertainment.
I assume the club will stick by Oscar so all I can hope is that next season he signs the players "he" wants & gets them playing the way he promised when he arrived because there can be no excuses after that.
There is no doubt that circumstances haven't been ideal for Oscar since his arrival & I'm sure that he will have been frustrated by the amount of injuries this season. I also appreciate the comments of the die hard fans who have supported the club through the bad times & rightly state the things are now a million miles better than back then. The problem I have with Oscar is that for me football is an entertainment business & this season, apart from the odd exception I have not been greatly entertained. Personally I would rather be watching a bottom-half team who played at a higher tempo & attacked in numbers at the risk of leaving themselves open at the back than watching our top-half team who play at a slow tempo & rarely throw bodies forward. Sure some fans will argue that it's all about results & that's fair enough if that is all that matters to them. However after paying just short of a grand for myself & my son for the season I feel there has been little value for money.season Obviously every match is not going to be a belter but after seeing every home match & listening to most away games on the radio & it's felt like Groundhog Day because 90% of the time I'm seeing/hearing the same thing, which is "not the greatest of games". The best thing I can say about us this season is that we have a way of playing that make's the opposition look ordinary (bar the odd exception) but the trouble is we look ordinary too & therefore you are barely getting any real entertainment. I assume the club will stick by Oscar so all I can hope is that next season he signs the players "he" wants & gets them playing the way he promised when he arrived because there can be no excuses after that. elljam
  • Score: 19

10:15am Mon 7 Apr 14

wiseman of hove says...

Neville wrote:
It seems OG is above any sort of criticism,especially from the Argus.In his first season he has done well to keep us in reach of the playoffs,albeit we have been helped by other teams inconsistency and unfortunately we have not been able to take advantage.A after going our usuat start of the season TB was quoted as expecting a top 6 finish although we have a mid table budget.
I am a season ticket holder and go to every home match and can honestly say there are only a handful of games where we have played really well with flowing football,the best probably against Wigan once we went behind,which is pretty normal for The Amex.
My area of criticism is that in my opinion OG is more concerned with conceding than scoring and this is shown in his starting line ups especially at home regardless of the opposition.
We never play 2 wingers and Ulloa isolated,very slow build up from the back to the halfway line and then back or sideways,no one knows what to do in the final third and we lack quality balls into the box.We do not score from corners or free kicks because of the powder puff delivery and players are afraid to take responsibility generally and shoot when given the chance,KLL being the exception.
With our slow build up the opposition is allowed to regroup and this is one of the reasons we don't score enough,we play at the same pace generally regardless whether winning or losing.
We have found ourselves in the mix and still have not really gone for it with an attacking mentality,yes Saturday he was more adventurous but only after a dire first half and if KLL can only play 15 mins each match then something needs to change.
I accept the play offs have now gone but the inability or inflexibility of the management team has been a sticking point and our goals scored tally proves this system with the current players does not work.
Those who listen to the away commentaries will hear the same theme from the summarisers.
There certainly needs to be a rethink,especially with the recruitment set up,the loans of Lita and Obika and the purchase of Augustien have been awfully handled to say the least.
The failure to replace Barnes when he made his intentions clear at the start of the season about not signing a new contract,was poor management.
Next season will be even more difficult with a rebuild necessary and likely we will lose TK,WB and LU.
I am also a season ticket holder. Find myself in agreement with your entire post.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: It seems OG is above any sort of criticism,especially from the Argus.In his first season he has done well to keep us in reach of the playoffs,albeit we have been helped by other teams inconsistency and unfortunately we have not been able to take advantage.A after going our usuat start of the season TB was quoted as expecting a top 6 finish although we have a mid table budget. I am a season ticket holder and go to every home match and can honestly say there are only a handful of games where we have played really well with flowing football,the best probably against Wigan once we went behind,which is pretty normal for The Amex. My area of criticism is that in my opinion OG is more concerned with conceding than scoring and this is shown in his starting line ups especially at home regardless of the opposition. We never play 2 wingers and Ulloa isolated,very slow build up from the back to the halfway line and then back or sideways,no one knows what to do in the final third and we lack quality balls into the box.We do not score from corners or free kicks because of the powder puff delivery and players are afraid to take responsibility generally and shoot when given the chance,KLL being the exception. With our slow build up the opposition is allowed to regroup and this is one of the reasons we don't score enough,we play at the same pace generally regardless whether winning or losing. We have found ourselves in the mix and still have not really gone for it with an attacking mentality,yes Saturday he was more adventurous but only after a dire first half and if KLL can only play 15 mins each match then something needs to change. I accept the play offs have now gone but the inability or inflexibility of the management team has been a sticking point and our goals scored tally proves this system with the current players does not work. Those who listen to the away commentaries will hear the same theme from the summarisers. There certainly needs to be a rethink,especially with the recruitment set up,the loans of Lita and Obika and the purchase of Augustien have been awfully handled to say the least. The failure to replace Barnes when he made his intentions clear at the start of the season about not signing a new contract,was poor management. Next season will be even more difficult with a rebuild necessary and likely we will lose TK,WB and LU.[/p][/quote]I am also a season ticket holder. Find myself in agreement with your entire post. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 10

10:17am Mon 7 Apr 14

Piglet1 says...

oscar must go wrote:
For the life of me i cannot understand the blind optimism which surrounds Oscar. OK, he has played for Barcelona but that is hardly the benchmark in defining him as a coach. Anyone who regularly attends games share the opinion that in the main team selection is a mystery and the tactics and game plans are one dimensional.

Burke and Day have hardly covered themselves in glory with the people they have bought in. There has been no significant investment following the sales of Bridcutt, Barnes and a bit before that Noone. The alleged Jones recommendations are not Championship standard.

At the end of the day what we have is not working so the time is right to move on and make significant changes to get things ready for 2014-15. There is no justification for another lost close season which we suffered from last year when this time it is within the club's control.

Perhaps, when the play offs are off the radar we might consider picking some of our own players such as Chicksen,Maksimenko and Monakama rather than the loanees who won't be here next year. If they are not tried we will never know. The club will probably struggle to hold onto Ward,Lingard will go back to Old Trafford and if a minutes thought is taken up in considering signing Andrews permanately then enough said.

Occar, Jones, Burke and Day OUT !!!
Ridiculous.
Oscar must go OUT!!!
[quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: For the life of me i cannot understand the blind optimism which surrounds Oscar. OK, he has played for Barcelona but that is hardly the benchmark in defining him as a coach. Anyone who regularly attends games share the opinion that in the main team selection is a mystery and the tactics and game plans are one dimensional. Burke and Day have hardly covered themselves in glory with the people they have bought in. There has been no significant investment following the sales of Bridcutt, Barnes and a bit before that Noone. The alleged Jones recommendations are not Championship standard. At the end of the day what we have is not working so the time is right to move on and make significant changes to get things ready for 2014-15. There is no justification for another lost close season which we suffered from last year when this time it is within the club's control. Perhaps, when the play offs are off the radar we might consider picking some of our own players such as Chicksen,Maksimenko and Monakama rather than the loanees who won't be here next year. If they are not tried we will never know. The club will probably struggle to hold onto Ward,Lingard will go back to Old Trafford and if a minutes thought is taken up in considering signing Andrews permanately then enough said. Occar, Jones, Burke and Day OUT !!![/p][/quote]Ridiculous. Oscar must go OUT!!! Piglet1
  • Score: -7

10:29am Mon 7 Apr 14

tug509 says...

I have a vague recollection of a match a few years ago ,a penalty was awarded ,and after a lot of banter and gamesmanship between the keeper and penalty taker ,the later pointed to the corner that he was going to put it ,and he scored ,sending the keeper the wrong way ,because he obviously thought it was a bluff . If the penalty taker did the same every game ,how long would it take for keepers to work it out ,and the goals to stop .
Oscar`s tactics reflect this ,before the Barnsley game ,i said he always put Kaz on ,in around the 63rd minute ,and i wish i had of put a tenner on that ,if i can figure that ,so can the opposition ,he has stated that he will not change his style or tactics ,so he is basically telling our rivals how to stop us playing . If we limit our options from the start ,how are we going to create chances . Oh look ,Brighton ,1 winger so we know where the supply is coming from ,and 1 striker so we know where it`s going ,mark those 2 out of the game and whats left Oscar ?.
I have a vague recollection of a match a few years ago ,a penalty was awarded ,and after a lot of banter and gamesmanship between the keeper and penalty taker ,the later pointed to the corner that he was going to put it ,and he scored ,sending the keeper the wrong way ,because he obviously thought it was a bluff . If the penalty taker did the same every game ,how long would it take for keepers to work it out ,and the goals to stop . Oscar`s tactics reflect this ,before the Barnsley game ,i said he always put Kaz on ,in around the 63rd minute ,and i wish i had of put a tenner on that ,if i can figure that ,so can the opposition ,he has stated that he will not change his style or tactics ,so he is basically telling our rivals how to stop us playing . If we limit our options from the start ,how are we going to create chances . Oh look ,Brighton ,1 winger so we know where the supply is coming from ,and 1 striker so we know where it`s going ,mark those 2 out of the game and whats left Oscar ?. tug509
  • Score: 6

10:30am Mon 7 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

oscar must go wrote:
Woops,

OSCAR not Occar.
Good when a typo gets - hits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!
[quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: Woops, OSCAR not Occar.[/p][/quote]Good when a typo gets - hits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! oscar must go
  • Score: -5

10:38am Mon 7 Apr 14

El Pres says...

When I arrived at Barnsley on Saturday and saw the teamsheet it looked as if we were at least going to try to score. Sadly the reality was far different.

Our passing game, criticised by many, has been replaced by a long ball approach which results in head tennis and regular loss of possession.

If OG thinks he was committed to scoring on Saturday, then why did Rodriquez, when substituted, take about 90 seconds to drag himself off the pitch. It looked like timewasting, and that the management team were happy to grab a point from a Barnsley team, which, whilst not poor, had little up front to scare us and suspect full backs.

If we go to Leicester and try to grab a point it's understandable, given their form and resources, the same can't be said of the Tykes.
When I arrived at Barnsley on Saturday and saw the teamsheet it looked as if we were at least going to try to score. Sadly the reality was far different. Our passing game, criticised by many, has been replaced by a long ball approach which results in head tennis and regular loss of possession. If OG thinks he was committed to scoring on Saturday, then why did Rodriquez, when substituted, take about 90 seconds to drag himself off the pitch. It looked like timewasting, and that the management team were happy to grab a point from a Barnsley team, which, whilst not poor, had little up front to scare us and suspect full backs. If we go to Leicester and try to grab a point it's understandable, given their form and resources, the same can't be said of the Tykes. El Pres
  • Score: 6

10:39am Mon 7 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

Piglet1 wrote:
oscar must go wrote:
For the life of me i cannot understand the blind optimism which surrounds Oscar. OK, he has played for Barcelona but that is hardly the benchmark in defining him as a coach. Anyone who regularly attends games share the opinion that in the main team selection is a mystery and the tactics and game plans are one dimensional.

Burke and Day have hardly covered themselves in glory with the people they have bought in. There has been no significant investment following the sales of Bridcutt, Barnes and a bit before that Noone. The alleged Jones recommendations are not Championship standard.

At the end of the day what we have is not working so the time is right to move on and make significant changes to get things ready for 2014-15. There is no justification for another lost close season which we suffered from last year when this time it is within the club's control.

Perhaps, when the play offs are off the radar we might consider picking some of our own players such as Chicksen,Maksimenko and Monakama rather than the loanees who won't be here next year. If they are not tried we will never know. The club will probably struggle to hold onto Ward,Lingard will go back to Old Trafford and if a minutes thought is taken up in considering signing Andrews permanately then enough said.

Occar, Jones, Burke and Day OUT !!!
Ridiculous.
Oscar must go OUT!!!
Mr Piglet

Put up an alternative, constructive, articulate response if you don't agree rather than a one word rant!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oscar, Day ,Burke and Day OUT!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Piglet1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: For the life of me i cannot understand the blind optimism which surrounds Oscar. OK, he has played for Barcelona but that is hardly the benchmark in defining him as a coach. Anyone who regularly attends games share the opinion that in the main team selection is a mystery and the tactics and game plans are one dimensional. Burke and Day have hardly covered themselves in glory with the people they have bought in. There has been no significant investment following the sales of Bridcutt, Barnes and a bit before that Noone. The alleged Jones recommendations are not Championship standard. At the end of the day what we have is not working so the time is right to move on and make significant changes to get things ready for 2014-15. There is no justification for another lost close season which we suffered from last year when this time it is within the club's control. Perhaps, when the play offs are off the radar we might consider picking some of our own players such as Chicksen,Maksimenko and Monakama rather than the loanees who won't be here next year. If they are not tried we will never know. The club will probably struggle to hold onto Ward,Lingard will go back to Old Trafford and if a minutes thought is taken up in considering signing Andrews permanately then enough said. Occar, Jones, Burke and Day OUT !!![/p][/quote]Ridiculous. Oscar must go OUT!!![/p][/quote]Mr Piglet Put up an alternative, constructive, articulate response if you don't agree rather than a one word rant!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oscar, Day ,Burke and Day OUT!!!! oscar must go
  • Score: -2

10:43am Mon 7 Apr 14

Gee Jay says...

I really can't believe how we are still sitting where we are in the table, given our last few results.
I have a sneaky feeling though that we might get a surprise result on Tuesday evening, and then struggle to get anything out of the Charlton game.
Oh well.......UTA.
I really can't believe how we are still sitting where we are in the table, given our last few results. I have a sneaky feeling though that we might get a surprise result on Tuesday evening, and then struggle to get anything out of the Charlton game. Oh well.......UTA. Gee Jay
  • Score: 4

10:44am Mon 7 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

oscar must go wrote:
Piglet1 wrote:
oscar must go wrote:
For the life of me i cannot understand the blind optimism which surrounds Oscar. OK, he has played for Barcelona but that is hardly the benchmark in defining him as a coach. Anyone who regularly attends games share the opinion that in the main team selection is a mystery and the tactics and game plans are one dimensional.

Burke and Day have hardly covered themselves in glory with the people they have bought in. There has been no significant investment following the sales of Bridcutt, Barnes and a bit before that Noone. The alleged Jones recommendations are not Championship standard.

At the end of the day what we have is not working so the time is right to move on and make significant changes to get things ready for 2014-15. There is no justification for another lost close season which we suffered from last year when this time it is within the club's control.

Perhaps, when the play offs are off the radar we might consider picking some of our own players such as Chicksen,Maksimenko and Monakama rather than the loanees who won't be here next year. If they are not tried we will never know. The club will probably struggle to hold onto Ward,Lingard will go back to Old Trafford and if a minutes thought is taken up in considering signing Andrews permanately then enough said.

Occar, Jones, Burke and Day OUT !!!
Ridiculous.
Oscar must go OUT!!!
Mr Piglet

Put up an alternative, constructive, articulate response if you don't agree rather than a one word rant!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oscar, Day ,Burke and Day OUT!!!!
Woops again.

Not Day twice but Jones!!!
[quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Piglet1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: For the life of me i cannot understand the blind optimism which surrounds Oscar. OK, he has played for Barcelona but that is hardly the benchmark in defining him as a coach. Anyone who regularly attends games share the opinion that in the main team selection is a mystery and the tactics and game plans are one dimensional. Burke and Day have hardly covered themselves in glory with the people they have bought in. There has been no significant investment following the sales of Bridcutt, Barnes and a bit before that Noone. The alleged Jones recommendations are not Championship standard. At the end of the day what we have is not working so the time is right to move on and make significant changes to get things ready for 2014-15. There is no justification for another lost close season which we suffered from last year when this time it is within the club's control. Perhaps, when the play offs are off the radar we might consider picking some of our own players such as Chicksen,Maksimenko and Monakama rather than the loanees who won't be here next year. If they are not tried we will never know. The club will probably struggle to hold onto Ward,Lingard will go back to Old Trafford and if a minutes thought is taken up in considering signing Andrews permanately then enough said. Occar, Jones, Burke and Day OUT !!![/p][/quote]Ridiculous. Oscar must go OUT!!![/p][/quote]Mr Piglet Put up an alternative, constructive, articulate response if you don't agree rather than a one word rant!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oscar, Day ,Burke and Day OUT!!!![/p][/quote]Woops again. Not Day twice but Jones!!! oscar must go
  • Score: -5

10:57am Mon 7 Apr 14

Baldseagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
I think OG changed his side after criticism , and then got more after Saturday,
Where some on here say OG needs a summer to bring in his players ...
Do we know if he is in charge of selecting his loans and purchases?
The big changes within the squad will mainly be defensive , ie GG caldi, etc
How can that improve our woeful goal tally, as some have said, those that actually attend the Amex every game have been bored rigid with total lack of creativity and pace.
Those that bring his barca connection as a positive need to remember sides have sussed that out, in previous seasons sides have got 11 behind the ball and allowed teams to knock it around the halfway line without a challenge ..
Unless your really good at retention sides can't do it, watch Chelsea , man city and the side that changed it all Bayern Munich .. Unless your barca you won't get time on the ball, Andrews, Spanish Dave , both look out of sorts when sides close us down as a unit, watch Bayern hunt in 4-5 s closing the ball and every option other than the long ball.
Ulloa looks totally fed up, the guy has been played with knocks , and when not fully fit, that's the English way, he clearly is not happy.
Why can't the argus get clarity to questions the fans want answers to?
Who is in charge of bringing players in? If it's Burke, how can OG play his way?
I am not convinced by OG or jones, but if there hands are tied something needs to give, IF THIS IS WHY GUS WANTED AWAY THEN LETS HEAR IT!
I don't know if you missed it, but it has been said several times how player aquisition works.
Oscar can say no to a player coming in, he does not have anyone come in that he has said he does not want. He can say I want this player, or that player but he can't negotiate the deal, he can't stop Burke selling a short contracted player like Barnes, but he can ask him to do his best to keep him.
No Manager has ever been able to retain every player he wanted to, or buy any player he wanted to, it is not so different for Oscar.
The problem is not who is buying and selling contracts, it is the money available for those deals that is lower than most of the teams above us are prepared to spend, we will see who was wisest in 8 months time.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I think OG changed his side after criticism , and then got more after Saturday, Where some on here say OG needs a summer to bring in his players ... Do we know if he is in charge of selecting his loans and purchases? The big changes within the squad will mainly be defensive , ie GG caldi, etc How can that improve our woeful goal tally, as some have said, those that actually attend the Amex every game have been bored rigid with total lack of creativity and pace. Those that bring his barca connection as a positive need to remember sides have sussed that out, in previous seasons sides have got 11 behind the ball and allowed teams to knock it around the halfway line without a challenge .. Unless your really good at retention sides can't do it, watch Chelsea , man city and the side that changed it all Bayern Munich .. Unless your barca you won't get time on the ball, Andrews, Spanish Dave , both look out of sorts when sides close us down as a unit, watch Bayern hunt in 4-5 s closing the ball and every option other than the long ball. Ulloa looks totally fed up, the guy has been played with knocks , and when not fully fit, that's the English way, he clearly is not happy. Why can't the argus get clarity to questions the fans want answers to? Who is in charge of bringing players in? If it's Burke, how can OG play his way? I am not convinced by OG or jones, but if there hands are tied something needs to give, IF THIS IS WHY GUS WANTED AWAY THEN LETS HEAR IT![/p][/quote]I don't know if you missed it, but it has been said several times how player aquisition works. Oscar can say no to a player coming in, he does not have anyone come in that he has said he does not want. He can say I want this player, or that player but he can't negotiate the deal, he can't stop Burke selling a short contracted player like Barnes, but he can ask him to do his best to keep him. No Manager has ever been able to retain every player he wanted to, or buy any player he wanted to, it is not so different for Oscar. The problem is not who is buying and selling contracts, it is the money available for those deals that is lower than most of the teams above us are prepared to spend, we will see who was wisest in 8 months time. Baldseagull
  • Score: 7

11:06am Mon 7 Apr 14

Far gull says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
Neville wrote:
It seems OG is above any sort of criticism,especially from the Argus.In his first season he has done well to keep us in reach of the playoffs,albeit we have been helped by other teams inconsistency and unfortunately we have not been able to take advantage.A after going our usuat start of the season TB was quoted as expecting a top 6 finish although we have a mid table budget.
I am a season ticket holder and go to every home match and can honestly say there are only a handful of games where we have played really well with flowing football,the best probably against Wigan once we went behind,which is pretty normal for The Amex.
My area of criticism is that in my opinion OG is more concerned with conceding than scoring and this is shown in his starting line ups especially at home regardless of the opposition.
We never play 2 wingers and Ulloa isolated,very slow build up from the back to the halfway line and then back or sideways,no one knows what to do in the final third and we lack quality balls into the box.We do not score from corners or free kicks because of the powder puff delivery and players are afraid to take responsibility generally and shoot when given the chance,KLL being the exception.
With our slow build up the opposition is allowed to regroup and this is one of the reasons we don't score enough,we play at the same pace generally regardless whether winning or losing.
We have found ourselves in the mix and still have not really gone for it with an attacking mentality,yes Saturday he was more adventurous but only after a dire first half and if KLL can only play 15 mins each match then something needs to change.
I accept the play offs have now gone but the inability or inflexibility of the management team has been a sticking point and our goals scored tally proves this system with the current players does not work.
Those who listen to the away commentaries will hear the same theme from the summarisers.
There certainly needs to be a rethink,especially with the recruitment set up,the loans of Lita and Obika and the purchase of Augustien have been awfully handled to say the least.
The failure to replace Barnes when he made his intentions clear at the start of the season about not signing a new contract,was poor management.
Next season will be even more difficult with a rebuild necessary and likely we will lose TK,WB and LU.
I am also a season ticket holder. Find myself in agreement with your entire post.
Ditto
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: It seems OG is above any sort of criticism,especially from the Argus.In his first season he has done well to keep us in reach of the playoffs,albeit we have been helped by other teams inconsistency and unfortunately we have not been able to take advantage.A after going our usuat start of the season TB was quoted as expecting a top 6 finish although we have a mid table budget. I am a season ticket holder and go to every home match and can honestly say there are only a handful of games where we have played really well with flowing football,the best probably against Wigan once we went behind,which is pretty normal for The Amex. My area of criticism is that in my opinion OG is more concerned with conceding than scoring and this is shown in his starting line ups especially at home regardless of the opposition. We never play 2 wingers and Ulloa isolated,very slow build up from the back to the halfway line and then back or sideways,no one knows what to do in the final third and we lack quality balls into the box.We do not score from corners or free kicks because of the powder puff delivery and players are afraid to take responsibility generally and shoot when given the chance,KLL being the exception. With our slow build up the opposition is allowed to regroup and this is one of the reasons we don't score enough,we play at the same pace generally regardless whether winning or losing. We have found ourselves in the mix and still have not really gone for it with an attacking mentality,yes Saturday he was more adventurous but only after a dire first half and if KLL can only play 15 mins each match then something needs to change. I accept the play offs have now gone but the inability or inflexibility of the management team has been a sticking point and our goals scored tally proves this system with the current players does not work. Those who listen to the away commentaries will hear the same theme from the summarisers. There certainly needs to be a rethink,especially with the recruitment set up,the loans of Lita and Obika and the purchase of Augustien have been awfully handled to say the least. The failure to replace Barnes when he made his intentions clear at the start of the season about not signing a new contract,was poor management. Next season will be even more difficult with a rebuild necessary and likely we will lose TK,WB and LU.[/p][/quote]I am also a season ticket holder. Find myself in agreement with your entire post.[/p][/quote]Ditto Far gull
  • Score: 5

11:08am Mon 7 Apr 14

Claude Back says...

Nobody should be surprised at the diversity of opinion about Garcia as witnesses, in my experience, very rarely agree on an incident they have seen. So it is with Football that one man's meat etc. What some see as entertaining others see as boring. Chacun a son gout.
However, what does surprise me a little is the vitriol with which opposing views post their opinion. No need for that. I respect sincerely held opinions that may differ from my own. Opinion is just that,opinion and by nature a subjective thing. So all those who think Garcia is doing a great job, refrain from calling others names like ' idiots' or 'bed-wetters' who think differently. I don't mind if we lose games as long as the game is reasonably exciting and we don't lose a succession of Home games. Sometimes it is better to be a big fish in a small pool than the converse, even though I would dearly love to see us in the Premiership at least once. Is that contradictory? No, it is the curiosity in all of us to want this and maybe the desire of vicarious glory.
Nobody should be surprised at the diversity of opinion about Garcia as witnesses, in my experience, very rarely agree on an incident they have seen. So it is with Football that one man's meat etc. What some see as entertaining others see as boring. Chacun a son gout. However, what does surprise me a little is the vitriol with which opposing views post their opinion. No need for that. I respect sincerely held opinions that may differ from my own. Opinion is just that,opinion and by nature a subjective thing. So all those who think Garcia is doing a great job, refrain from calling others names like ' idiots' or 'bed-wetters' who think differently. I don't mind if we lose games as long as the game is reasonably exciting and we don't lose a succession of Home games. Sometimes it is better to be a big fish in a small pool than the converse, even though I would dearly love to see us in the Premiership at least once. Is that contradictory? No, it is the curiosity in all of us to want this and maybe the desire of vicarious glory. Claude Back
  • Score: 17

11:23am Mon 7 Apr 14

Baldseagull says...

Has everyone else got an Ad for Ford service to the right, showing Ryan Harley in his new job?
Has everyone else got an Ad for Ford service to the right, showing Ryan Harley in his new job? Baldseagull
  • Score: 0

11:30am Mon 7 Apr 14

str8outtaDC says...

fozziesheadband wrote:
Disagree, Oscar. I have been a season ticket holder for more than 30 years & in the main this season has been turged. I thought we were negative under Mike Bailey, but OG you take the biscuit! One striker up front week in week out, only playing more attacking football in the last 15 minutes of a match when we need something out of a game!

The stats speak for themselves. Our number of goals scored, shots on target & shots on goal is woeful. Was it one at Oakwell.

Our system has been found out & on recent form we will be relegation candidates next year. We need significant changes to the team, playing style, the dourness of the manager (get your ruddy hands out of your pockets & show some more animation), otherwise Tony, please find someone else to take this wonderful club to where we should be to the Premiership.

Regrettably, I can't see Oscar taking us to the Prem.
Yes, why didn't Tony Bloom hire someone who could wave his arms around properly?

Most fans back Oscar mainly because they think he's a young manager with great potential who should be given time. He's done a good job considering its his first season in English football, the summer upheavals, injuries and FFP. We need to give him at least another season then decide.

Personally i was hoping for a few more 4-3 mad attacking games but on the plus side, we've seen the emergence of great young talents like Ince and March which would have been unlikely under Gus.

The relentless negativity of some on here is incredible. Don't Panic!
[quote][p][bold]fozziesheadband[/bold] wrote: Disagree, Oscar. I have been a season ticket holder for more than 30 years & in the main this season has been turged. I thought we were negative under Mike Bailey, but OG you take the biscuit! One striker up front week in week out, only playing more attacking football in the last 15 minutes of a match when we need something out of a game! The stats speak for themselves. Our number of goals scored, shots on target & shots on goal is woeful. Was it one at Oakwell. Our system has been found out & on recent form we will be relegation candidates next year. We need significant changes to the team, playing style, the dourness of the manager (get your ruddy hands out of your pockets & show some more animation), otherwise Tony, please find someone else to take this wonderful club to where we should be to the Premiership. Regrettably, I can't see Oscar taking us to the Prem.[/p][/quote]Yes, why didn't Tony Bloom hire someone who could wave his arms around properly? Most fans back Oscar mainly because they think he's a young manager with great potential who should be given time. He's done a good job considering its his first season in English football, the summer upheavals, injuries and FFP. We need to give him at least another season then decide. Personally i was hoping for a few more 4-3 mad attacking games but on the plus side, we've seen the emergence of great young talents like Ince and March which would have been unlikely under Gus. The relentless negativity of some on here is incredible. Don't Panic! str8outtaDC
  • Score: 11

11:49am Mon 7 Apr 14

Baldseagull says...

Claude Back wrote:
Nobody should be surprised at the diversity of opinion about Garcia as witnesses, in my experience, very rarely agree on an incident they have seen. So it is with Football that one man's meat etc. What some see as entertaining others see as boring. Chacun a son gout.
However, what does surprise me a little is the vitriol with which opposing views post their opinion. No need for that. I respect sincerely held opinions that may differ from my own. Opinion is just that,opinion and by nature a subjective thing. So all those who think Garcia is doing a great job, refrain from calling others names like ' idiots' or 'bed-wetters' who think differently. I don't mind if we lose games as long as the game is reasonably exciting and we don't lose a succession of Home games. Sometimes it is better to be a big fish in a small pool than the converse, even though I would dearly love to see us in the Premiership at least once. Is that contradictory? No, it is the curiosity in all of us to want this and maybe the desire of vicarious glory.
Well anyone who thinks we would do best by sacking Oscar right now is an idiot.
People who state that the stats don't lie and that we don't shoot at goal very much are also idiots.
People who claim that we did not field an attacking line up in the last couple of games are idiots who repeat the criticism of others in previous weeks, based on the result.
People who get worried that we will lose a large number of STH's, not be able to retain decent players, not be able to sign decent players, never get to the Premier League etc. because we do not have a Big Name manager, or a "personality" manager, probably also wet the bed at the night.
If people stop revealing themselves to be bedwetting idiots, I am sure they will be left alone.
Like you, I don't mind losing if I have seen us compete well and been entertained, and I have not seen as much entertainment as I would have liked, but we are in with a shout of a play off spot still, can you imagine the bedwetting if we were fighting relegation?
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: Nobody should be surprised at the diversity of opinion about Garcia as witnesses, in my experience, very rarely agree on an incident they have seen. So it is with Football that one man's meat etc. What some see as entertaining others see as boring. Chacun a son gout. However, what does surprise me a little is the vitriol with which opposing views post their opinion. No need for that. I respect sincerely held opinions that may differ from my own. Opinion is just that,opinion and by nature a subjective thing. So all those who think Garcia is doing a great job, refrain from calling others names like ' idiots' or 'bed-wetters' who think differently. I don't mind if we lose games as long as the game is reasonably exciting and we don't lose a succession of Home games. Sometimes it is better to be a big fish in a small pool than the converse, even though I would dearly love to see us in the Premiership at least once. Is that contradictory? No, it is the curiosity in all of us to want this and maybe the desire of vicarious glory.[/p][/quote]Well anyone who thinks we would do best by sacking Oscar right now is an idiot. People who state that the stats don't lie and that we don't shoot at goal very much are also idiots. People who claim that we did not field an attacking line up in the last couple of games are idiots who repeat the criticism of others in previous weeks, based on the result. People who get worried that we will lose a large number of STH's, not be able to retain decent players, not be able to sign decent players, never get to the Premier League etc. because we do not have a Big Name manager, or a "personality" manager, probably also wet the bed at the night. If people stop revealing themselves to be bedwetting idiots, I am sure they will be left alone. Like you, I don't mind losing if I have seen us compete well and been entertained, and I have not seen as much entertainment as I would have liked, but we are in with a shout of a play off spot still, can you imagine the bedwetting if we were fighting relegation? Baldseagull
  • Score: 1

12:00pm Mon 7 Apr 14

ballantrrae says...

Neville wrote:
It seems OG is above any sort of criticism,especially from the Argus.In his first season he has done well to keep us in reach of the playoffs,albeit we have been helped by other teams inconsistency and unfortunately we have not been able to take advantage.A after going our usuat start of the season TB was quoted as expecting a top 6 finish although we have a mid table budget.
I am a season ticket holder and go to every home match and can honestly say there are only a handful of games where we have played really well with flowing football,the best probably against Wigan once we went behind,which is pretty normal for The Amex.
My area of criticism is that in my opinion OG is more concerned with conceding than scoring and this is shown in his starting line ups especially at home regardless of the opposition.
We never play 2 wingers and Ulloa isolated,very slow build up from the back to the halfway line and then back or sideways,no one knows what to do in the final third and we lack quality balls into the box.We do not score from corners or free kicks because of the powder puff delivery and players are afraid to take responsibility generally and shoot when given the chance,KLL being the exception.
With our slow build up the opposition is allowed to regroup and this is one of the reasons we don't score enough,we play at the same pace generally regardless whether winning or losing.
We have found ourselves in the mix and still have not really gone for it with an attacking mentality,yes Saturday he was more adventurous but only after a dire first half and if KLL can only play 15 mins each match then something needs to change.
I accept the play offs have now gone but the inability or inflexibility of the management team has been a sticking point and our goals scored tally proves this system with the current players does not work.
Those who listen to the away commentaries will hear the same theme from the summarisers.
There certainly needs to be a rethink,especially with the recruitment set up,the loans of Lita and Obika and the purchase of Augustien have been awfully handled to say the least.
The failure to replace Barnes when he made his intentions clear at the start of the season about not signing a new contract,was poor management.
Next season will be even more difficult with a rebuild necessary and likely we will lose TK,WB and LU.
Good interesting Post Neville.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: It seems OG is above any sort of criticism,especially from the Argus.In his first season he has done well to keep us in reach of the playoffs,albeit we have been helped by other teams inconsistency and unfortunately we have not been able to take advantage.A after going our usuat start of the season TB was quoted as expecting a top 6 finish although we have a mid table budget. I am a season ticket holder and go to every home match and can honestly say there are only a handful of games where we have played really well with flowing football,the best probably against Wigan once we went behind,which is pretty normal for The Amex. My area of criticism is that in my opinion OG is more concerned with conceding than scoring and this is shown in his starting line ups especially at home regardless of the opposition. We never play 2 wingers and Ulloa isolated,very slow build up from the back to the halfway line and then back or sideways,no one knows what to do in the final third and we lack quality balls into the box.We do not score from corners or free kicks because of the powder puff delivery and players are afraid to take responsibility generally and shoot when given the chance,KLL being the exception. With our slow build up the opposition is allowed to regroup and this is one of the reasons we don't score enough,we play at the same pace generally regardless whether winning or losing. We have found ourselves in the mix and still have not really gone for it with an attacking mentality,yes Saturday he was more adventurous but only after a dire first half and if KLL can only play 15 mins each match then something needs to change. I accept the play offs have now gone but the inability or inflexibility of the management team has been a sticking point and our goals scored tally proves this system with the current players does not work. Those who listen to the away commentaries will hear the same theme from the summarisers. There certainly needs to be a rethink,especially with the recruitment set up,the loans of Lita and Obika and the purchase of Augustien have been awfully handled to say the least. The failure to replace Barnes when he made his intentions clear at the start of the season about not signing a new contract,was poor management. Next season will be even more difficult with a rebuild necessary and likely we will lose TK,WB and LU.[/p][/quote]Good interesting Post Neville. ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

12:05pm Mon 7 Apr 14

bha3072011 says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Taxi for Oscar! Malkay or Hughton for me!
Or Meulensteen
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Taxi for Oscar! Malkay or Hughton for me![/p][/quote]Or Meulensteen bha3072011
  • Score: -8

12:29pm Mon 7 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

I am not backing OG going, what I am wondering is if the backroom team is strong enough to help him fulfil his ability ..
The loan signings have been a disaster including signing someone you guarantee a start too, that can't be good for dressing room unity.
Who sanctioned signing a overweight player who is had half a dozen clubs in a short period? Augsustin will no doubt be paid off , and wished good luck blah blah .. But the gut was huge when he played, again who is pushing the buttons ?
TACTICS.....
KLL could turn up at half time, get changed and warmed up run down the tunnelat 61 minutes and run straight onto the pitch!
Goals ? No club is going up scoring less than 60 goals, question is where are the midfield goals?
Next season we have Stephens crofts and ince, are we going to play those three in the same side? Lack of creativity is clearly a problem..
OG needs time, and more importantly support off and on the pitch, his backroom staff ie Burke and jones need to step up and do more.
The fans need to support him till he goes.. I can see him walking this summer if things don't shape up.
I am not backing OG going, what I am wondering is if the backroom team is strong enough to help him fulfil his ability .. The loan signings have been a disaster including signing someone you guarantee a start too, that can't be good for dressing room unity. Who sanctioned signing a overweight player who is had half a dozen clubs in a short period? Augsustin will no doubt be paid off , and wished good luck blah blah .. But the gut was huge when he played, again who is pushing the buttons ? TACTICS..... KLL could turn up at half time, get changed and warmed up run down the tunnelat 61 minutes and run straight onto the pitch! Goals ? No club is going up scoring less than 60 goals, question is where are the midfield goals? Next season we have Stephens crofts and ince, are we going to play those three in the same side? Lack of creativity is clearly a problem.. OG needs time, and more importantly support off and on the pitch, his backroom staff ie Burke and jones need to step up and do more. The fans need to support him till he goes.. I can see him walking this summer if things don't shape up. mark by the sea
  • Score: 4

12:35pm Mon 7 Apr 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

'The loan signings have been a disaster', opines MBTS. I know, that Stephen Ward, what a waste of space eh?!
'The loan signings have been a disaster', opines MBTS. I know, that Stephen Ward, what a waste of space eh?! B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 3

1:17pm Mon 7 Apr 14

fairweathersupporter says...

If the fat lady breaks into full song tomorrow night then it is time for a reflection on a frustrating but largely successful season.
Success? yes, enough interest to keep then coming back for more and sustain our current position. Standing still, yes. Backwards, no.

As for OG, not a confirmed fan yet. If Gus has got excuses ready for his relegation speech then OG has a few re injuries and acclimatisation. His tactics are questionable at times and as i have said previously, his tactical genius has not been mentioned by even his staunchest defenders. People on here bang on about possession football being boring etc. I don't remember the last four seasons previously being 'boring'. The odd game or maybe a series of home 'frustrations' but not as predictable as this current presentation. I felt uncomfortable with the careless surrender of possession in the early season and i am no more cosy with it now. Our attack has been blunt for some time and at times also under Gus. But under Gus we were a bit more competitive. Whoever is in 'charge' he is the coach and they are his tactics.

For all those who say he hasn't got his own players and who's in charge etc etc. Well Burke and Hare (Barber) were employed by TB. As indeed was OG. So if the bodies thrown OG's way are not good enough perhaps our Tony should sort it out. But have they been that bad? Only Agustein stands out as a real dud. Ward has been excellent. Andrews is competent ( i accept some people don't like him but he's committed and experienced) and the recent signings are looking okay (Rodders has now at least scored). Quality is going to be largely dictated by the budget. The retention of players re contracts is a different matter but once again this is ultimately down to TB and policy set by the club.

So sack him? Don't think so. Back him? Well the clubs true intentions will once again be open to a summer of disappointments for some and eternal optimism for others...
If the fat lady breaks into full song tomorrow night then it is time for a reflection on a frustrating but largely successful season. Success? yes, enough interest to keep then coming back for more and sustain our current position. Standing still, yes. Backwards, no. As for OG, not a confirmed fan yet. If Gus has got excuses ready for his relegation speech then OG has a few re injuries and acclimatisation. His tactics are questionable at times and as i have said previously, his tactical genius has not been mentioned by even his staunchest defenders. People on here bang on about possession football being boring etc. I don't remember the last four seasons previously being 'boring'. The odd game or maybe a series of home 'frustrations' but not as predictable as this current presentation. I felt uncomfortable with the careless surrender of possession in the early season and i am no more cosy with it now. Our attack has been blunt for some time and at times also under Gus. But under Gus we were a bit more competitive. Whoever is in 'charge' he is the coach and they are his tactics. For all those who say he hasn't got his own players and who's in charge etc etc. Well Burke and Hare (Barber) were employed by TB. As indeed was OG. So if the bodies thrown OG's way are not good enough perhaps our Tony should sort it out. But have they been that bad? Only Agustein stands out as a real dud. Ward has been excellent. Andrews is competent ( i accept some people don't like him but he's committed and experienced) and the recent signings are looking okay (Rodders has now at least scored). Quality is going to be largely dictated by the budget. The retention of players re contracts is a different matter but once again this is ultimately down to TB and policy set by the club. So sack him? Don't think so. Back him? Well the clubs true intentions will once again be open to a summer of disappointments for some and eternal optimism for others... fairweathersupporter
  • Score: 9

1:40pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

OG's style of play requires players we either don't have or don't have regularly available. To move the ball quickly you need players who are quick either in feet or mind.

For the former we have LuaLua and Buckley, who can be devastating on their day but are, unfortunately at the moment, unable to play 90 minutes for several gomes in a row. We have also missed CMS, who hopefully can hit the ground running.

For the quick minded players we have Orlandi, who on his day makes the world of difference to the way we play, but again he has been unable to make a regular contribution to the team.

Other players include Spanish Dave, who despite being possibly the most technically gifted player available is never going to quicken the pace of play. He has his place, certainly, but he needs the others around him to play at his best.

I have no doubt whatsoever that OG and Burke talk often and at length about the type of player needed, but wanting and being able to get are a world apart, even more so for a club abiding by financial regulations that were signed up to and agreed by everyone. Player acquisition during the close season, something we were not really able to to do last year, is a more straightforward affair during the close season than in January, and I can foresee a substantial turnover in players. Players that fit more with OG's ethos.

In a nutshell, I don't believe it is OG's tactics or style that are the problem, but not having the proper tools for his job. Sure, you can cut a plank of wood with a bread knife, but how much easier is it with a saw?
OG's style of play requires players we either don't have or don't have regularly available. To move the ball quickly you need players who are quick either in feet or mind. For the former we have LuaLua and Buckley, who can be devastating on their day but are, unfortunately at the moment, unable to play 90 minutes for several gomes in a row. We have also missed CMS, who hopefully can hit the ground running. For the quick minded players we have Orlandi, who on his day makes the world of difference to the way we play, but again he has been unable to make a regular contribution to the team. Other players include Spanish Dave, who despite being possibly the most technically gifted player available is never going to quicken the pace of play. He has his place, certainly, but he needs the others around him to play at his best. I have no doubt whatsoever that OG and Burke talk often and at length about the type of player needed, but wanting and being able to get are a world apart, even more so for a club abiding by financial regulations that were signed up to and agreed by everyone. Player acquisition during the close season, something we were not really able to to do last year, is a more straightforward affair during the close season than in January, and I can foresee a substantial turnover in players. Players that fit more with OG's ethos. In a nutshell, I don't believe it is OG's tactics or style that are the problem, but not having the proper tools for his job. Sure, you can cut a plank of wood with a bread knife, but how much easier is it with a saw? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 6

1:42pm Mon 7 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

bha3072011 wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Taxi for Oscar! Malkay or Hughton for me!
Or Meulensteen
Add Steve Clarke to that list. Did a good job at WBA + has connections at both Liverpool and Chelsea.
[quote][p][bold]bha3072011[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Taxi for Oscar! Malkay or Hughton for me![/p][/quote]Or Meulensteen[/p][/quote]Add Steve Clarke to that list. Did a good job at WBA + has connections at both Liverpool and Chelsea. oscar must go
  • Score: -5

1:44pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

Something I have noticed over the past several months is that, most of the opposing managers and several TV pundits, have all been saying how Brighton play, 'good football.' I have heard more than one say that, 'Brighton play football the way it should be played.'
As others have said on this thread, the Oscar plan is not the problem, some of our players are just not good enough to impliment it. Yesterday I suggested that a dozen of our squad, for varous reasons, should go, I still think that.
Something I have noticed over the past several months is that, most of the opposing managers and several TV pundits, have all been saying how Brighton play, 'good football.' I have heard more than one say that, 'Brighton play football the way it should be played.' As others have said on this thread, the Oscar plan is not the problem, some of our players are just not good enough to impliment it. Yesterday I suggested that a dozen of our squad, for varous reasons, should go, I still think that. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

1:44pm Mon 7 Apr 14

tug509 says...

Baldseagull wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
Nobody should be surprised at the diversity of opinion about Garcia as witnesses, in my experience, very rarely agree on an incident they have seen. So it is with Football that one man's meat etc. What some see as entertaining others see as boring. Chacun a son gout.
However, what does surprise me a little is the vitriol with which opposing views post their opinion. No need for that. I respect sincerely held opinions that may differ from my own. Opinion is just that,opinion and by nature a subjective thing. So all those who think Garcia is doing a great job, refrain from calling others names like ' idiots' or 'bed-wetters' who think differently. I don't mind if we lose games as long as the game is reasonably exciting and we don't lose a succession of Home games. Sometimes it is better to be a big fish in a small pool than the converse, even though I would dearly love to see us in the Premiership at least once. Is that contradictory? No, it is the curiosity in all of us to want this and maybe the desire of vicarious glory.
Well anyone who thinks we would do best by sacking Oscar right now is an idiot.
People who state that the stats don't lie and that we don't shoot at goal very much are also idiots.
People who claim that we did not field an attacking line up in the last couple of games are idiots who repeat the criticism of others in previous weeks, based on the result.
People who get worried that we will lose a large number of STH's, not be able to retain decent players, not be able to sign decent players, never get to the Premier League etc. because we do not have a Big Name manager, or a "personality" manager, probably also wet the bed at the night.
If people stop revealing themselves to be bedwetting idiots, I am sure they will be left alone.
Like you, I don't mind losing if I have seen us compete well and been entertained, and I have not seen as much entertainment as I would have liked, but we are in with a shout of a play off spot still, can you imagine the bedwetting if we were fighting relegation?
Fantastic post ,call everyone that doesn`t share your personal opinion a name ,yeah and my dads bigger than yours ,and you`ve the nerve to call others idiots .
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: Nobody should be surprised at the diversity of opinion about Garcia as witnesses, in my experience, very rarely agree on an incident they have seen. So it is with Football that one man's meat etc. What some see as entertaining others see as boring. Chacun a son gout. However, what does surprise me a little is the vitriol with which opposing views post their opinion. No need for that. I respect sincerely held opinions that may differ from my own. Opinion is just that,opinion and by nature a subjective thing. So all those who think Garcia is doing a great job, refrain from calling others names like ' idiots' or 'bed-wetters' who think differently. I don't mind if we lose games as long as the game is reasonably exciting and we don't lose a succession of Home games. Sometimes it is better to be a big fish in a small pool than the converse, even though I would dearly love to see us in the Premiership at least once. Is that contradictory? No, it is the curiosity in all of us to want this and maybe the desire of vicarious glory.[/p][/quote]Well anyone who thinks we would do best by sacking Oscar right now is an idiot. People who state that the stats don't lie and that we don't shoot at goal very much are also idiots. People who claim that we did not field an attacking line up in the last couple of games are idiots who repeat the criticism of others in previous weeks, based on the result. People who get worried that we will lose a large number of STH's, not be able to retain decent players, not be able to sign decent players, never get to the Premier League etc. because we do not have a Big Name manager, or a "personality" manager, probably also wet the bed at the night. If people stop revealing themselves to be bedwetting idiots, I am sure they will be left alone. Like you, I don't mind losing if I have seen us compete well and been entertained, and I have not seen as much entertainment as I would have liked, but we are in with a shout of a play off spot still, can you imagine the bedwetting if we were fighting relegation?[/p][/quote]Fantastic post ,call everyone that doesn`t share your personal opinion a name ,yeah and my dads bigger than yours ,and you`ve the nerve to call others idiots . tug509
  • Score: 2

1:46pm Mon 7 Apr 14

heathgate says...

It doesnt matter how attacking you set up, the bare fact is that without 1 or 2 central midfielders who control and distribute, there is never going to be enough ammunition to provide the chances for the front1, 2 or 5,.... this is where we ahve been lacking from the moment Crofts slapped the turf in anger and pain.
It doesnt matter how attacking you set up, the bare fact is that without 1 or 2 central midfielders who control and distribute, there is never going to be enough ammunition to provide the chances for the front1, 2 or 5,.... this is where we ahve been lacking from the moment Crofts slapped the turf in anger and pain. heathgate
  • Score: 0

1:50pm Mon 7 Apr 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

tug509 says...


Baldseagull wrote:

Claude Back wrote:
Nobody should be surprised at the diversity of opinion about Garcia as witnesses, in my experience, very rarely agree on an incident they have seen. So it is with Football that one man's meat etc. What some see as entertaining others see as boring. Chacun a son gout.
However, what does surprise me a little is the vitriol with which opposing views post their opinion. No need for that. I respect sincerely held opinions that may differ from my own. Opinion is just that,opinion and by nature a subjective thing. So all those who think Garcia is doing a great job, refrain from calling others names like ' idiots' or 'bed-wetters' who think differently. I don't mind if we lose games as long as the game is reasonably exciting and we don't lose a succession of Home games. Sometimes it is better to be a big fish in a small pool than the converse, even though I would dearly love to see us in the Premiership at least once. Is that contradictory? No, it is the curiosity in all of us to want this and maybe the desire of vicarious glory.
Well anyone who thinks we would do best by sacking Oscar right now is an idiot.
People who state that the stats don't lie and that we don't shoot at goal very much are also idiots.
People who claim that we did not field an attacking line up in the last couple of games are idiots who repeat the criticism of others in previous weeks, based on the result.
People who get worried that we will lose a large number of STH's, not be able to retain decent players, not be able to sign decent players, never get to the Premier League etc. because we do not have a Big Name manager, or a "personality" manager, probably also wet the bed at the night.
If people stop revealing themselves to be bedwetting idiots, I am sure they will be left alone.
Like you, I don't mind losing if I have seen us compete well and been entertained, and I have not seen as much entertainment as I would have liked, but we are in with a shout of a play off spot still, can you imagine the bedwetting if we were fighting relegation?Fantastic post ,call everyone that doesn`t share your personal opinion a name ,yeah and my dads bigger than yours ,and you`ve the nerve to call others idiots .

Tug - I think you're missing the irony and intelligence of 'Baldies' posting.
tug509 says... Baldseagull wrote: Claude Back wrote: Nobody should be surprised at the diversity of opinion about Garcia as witnesses, in my experience, very rarely agree on an incident they have seen. So it is with Football that one man's meat etc. What some see as entertaining others see as boring. Chacun a son gout. However, what does surprise me a little is the vitriol with which opposing views post their opinion. No need for that. I respect sincerely held opinions that may differ from my own. Opinion is just that,opinion and by nature a subjective thing. So all those who think Garcia is doing a great job, refrain from calling others names like ' idiots' or 'bed-wetters' who think differently. I don't mind if we lose games as long as the game is reasonably exciting and we don't lose a succession of Home games. Sometimes it is better to be a big fish in a small pool than the converse, even though I would dearly love to see us in the Premiership at least once. Is that contradictory? No, it is the curiosity in all of us to want this and maybe the desire of vicarious glory. Well anyone who thinks we would do best by sacking Oscar right now is an idiot. People who state that the stats don't lie and that we don't shoot at goal very much are also idiots. People who claim that we did not field an attacking line up in the last couple of games are idiots who repeat the criticism of others in previous weeks, based on the result. People who get worried that we will lose a large number of STH's, not be able to retain decent players, not be able to sign decent players, never get to the Premier League etc. because we do not have a Big Name manager, or a "personality" manager, probably also wet the bed at the night. If people stop revealing themselves to be bedwetting idiots, I am sure they will be left alone. Like you, I don't mind losing if I have seen us compete well and been entertained, and I have not seen as much entertainment as I would have liked, but we are in with a shout of a play off spot still, can you imagine the bedwetting if we were fighting relegation?Fantastic post ,call everyone that doesn`t share your personal opinion a name ,yeah and my dads bigger than yours ,and you`ve the nerve to call others idiots . Tug - I think you're missing the irony and intelligence of 'Baldies' posting. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: -1

2:05pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Tommy11 says...

What is clear from this is that opinions in regards to Garcia are split amongst the fans. I respect all opinions, but I must say I am a little baffled to see so many in support of him. I do believe in being a positive person – but with Garcia there is nothing to be positive about! People keep saying we need to be patient, we need to wait until the summer for him to bring his own players in. But come on – can we really trust him to do that? Do we think HE CAN do that? I don’t at all, as I don’t think he has clue what he is doing – and that’s being positive!

I was at Barnsley, and we were a disgrace. No motivation at all, no plan, no idea. Players looked disinterested. Ulloa looked like he wanted to get sent off as he was getting so frustrated with the lack of service. He was truly a pathetic performance. What was more worrying was how pathetic the bench looked. Garica was just walking about looking at his trainers, Jones pointing in all sorts of directions – but with no substance. We were calling the team to Attack Attack Attack so he decides to bring on CMS & Lua Lua, by this time it’s too late. Garica now has the audacity to have a go at us – the fans – for telling him were too negative. But this was the reason why he brought them on! We needed a lift because we were being so negative! Ridiculous argument he is making!

My opinion is that we need to sack Garica and the whole coaching staff right now. It’s no working, they don’t have a clue and they are slowly wearing our club down with this constant dross. I cannot see how he can turn this around. It’s just him & his personality – he will NOT change. By leaving him In charge this summer we are jeopardising next season – it will be too late sacking him around Christmas. (which mark my words will happen if we leave this man in charge this summer).

Those fans stating I’m just inpatient for us to get to the premiership are wrong. I wouldn’t care if were mid table, but playing some lovely stuff – stuff that I’m proud of seeing. Losing 1-0 but going for it right to death is what I ask for, and pay money for, and I have seen plenty of them.

Barnsley was shocking – the motivation from the bench was even worse.

Garcia out.
What is clear from this is that opinions in regards to Garcia are split amongst the fans. I respect all opinions, but I must say I am a little baffled to see so many in support of him. I do believe in being a positive person – but with Garcia there is nothing to be positive about! People keep saying we need to be patient, we need to wait until the summer for him to bring his own players in. But come on – can we really trust him to do that? Do we think HE CAN do that? I don’t at all, as I don’t think he has clue what he is doing – and that’s being positive! I was at Barnsley, and we were a disgrace. No motivation at all, no plan, no idea. Players looked disinterested. Ulloa looked like he wanted to get sent off as he was getting so frustrated with the lack of service. He was truly a pathetic performance. What was more worrying was how pathetic the bench looked. Garica was just walking about looking at his trainers, Jones pointing in all sorts of directions – but with no substance. We were calling the team to Attack Attack Attack so he decides to bring on CMS & Lua Lua, by this time it’s too late. Garica now has the audacity to have a go at us – the fans – for telling him were too negative. But this was the reason why he brought them on! We needed a lift because we were being so negative! Ridiculous argument he is making! My opinion is that we need to sack Garica and the whole coaching staff right now. It’s no working, they don’t have a clue and they are slowly wearing our club down with this constant dross. I cannot see how he can turn this around. It’s just him & his personality – he will NOT change. By leaving him In charge this summer we are jeopardising next season – it will be too late sacking him around Christmas. (which mark my words will happen if we leave this man in charge this summer). Those fans stating I’m just inpatient for us to get to the premiership are wrong. I wouldn’t care if were mid table, but playing some lovely stuff – stuff that I’m proud of seeing. Losing 1-0 but going for it right to death is what I ask for, and pay money for, and I have seen plenty of them. Barnsley was shocking – the motivation from the bench was even worse. Garcia out. Tommy11
  • Score: -1

2:06pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

Just suppose we did replace Oscar and suppose a, 'name,' did come in as manager, do you Oscar detractors think that the transfer budget would change, or that players wages would sudenly go up, NO CHANCE.
Brighton are working to a sound and reliable financial plan, we WILL be FFP compliant, we WILL NOT spend money that we can't afford to spend.
We could appoint Sir Alex as manger tomorrow and he would have to work under the same financial contraints as those imposed on Oscar.
If the money is there to spend for next season we might well see a clear out, Oscar will have the chance to improve the squad, if the money isn't there, then he will have to cut his cloth according to his means. Oscar as done wll with a squad that has been depleted all season, let's hope that the club will recognize what he has been able to do and give him what they can for next season. Some of the idiots on here we have us spend our way to oblivion just to satisfy thier needs for 90 minutes each week.
Just suppose we did replace Oscar and suppose a, 'name,' did come in as manager, do you Oscar detractors think that the transfer budget would change, or that players wages would sudenly go up, NO CHANCE. Brighton are working to a sound and reliable financial plan, we WILL be FFP compliant, we WILL NOT spend money that we can't afford to spend. We could appoint Sir Alex as manger tomorrow and he would have to work under the same financial contraints as those imposed on Oscar. If the money is there to spend for next season we might well see a clear out, Oscar will have the chance to improve the squad, if the money isn't there, then he will have to cut his cloth according to his means. Oscar as done wll with a squad that has been depleted all season, let's hope that the club will recognize what he has been able to do and give him what they can for next season. Some of the idiots on here we have us spend our way to oblivion just to satisfy thier needs for 90 minutes each week. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

2:07pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
claud59music wrote:
challster wrote:
Oscar is doing a great job! The system he is building is good. It might take players time to adjust esp new ones coming in, but just remember Rome wasn't built in a day. Think about it.. It's about time our nation became less predictable as a footballing team. I love our national team, but the only way we are going to do better is become more confident on the ball, and thus be more flexible when a formation can be changed mid game etc. Spain won the last World Cup.. Why? Because from school boy to adult, they are coached to enjoy their football, it starts with the 'tippy tappy' game - then the sharpness comes ! Can we not see that this is where we are going at brighton. Oscar came through the ranks of the great Barcelona.. Can we all not see that this is the ideal man to build our club? Look at where we are now. I've waited years for us to get back a ground to rival the goldstone, we now have it. Step 2, is now well and truly in place. Which is to build our team. It's happening.. Be patient .. In Oscar we trust. From a loyal northstand fan, of the goldstone and the Amex.
It is amazing the number of fans who think that good footballers automatically become good managers. This is not the case and I think we are gradually finding this out with OG. This Albion team is quite boring to watch and have been for most of the season. Too slow and pedestrian yet the coach seems to have no idea how to rectify the situation. In OG we suffer!
If you can't significantly change the pig through a season, you can only put lipstick on it and hope....
But it'll still be a pig.
"Rectifying the situation" is what the summer's for.
In essence what your saying is that this entire season was always going to be a right off ! ,Oscar did not have a proper period of time over last summer ,so this season ,we should expect nothing and wait for the next ,thats a lot to ask ,and expect from paying fans ,even loyal Brighton fans . What will be the excuse next time ?.
Tug,
Like most of us, my opinion is based on the wonderful benefit of hindsight - so I'm certainly not pretending "I told you so" in terms of this season.
I appreciate patience is a lot to ask of fans in general, but my view is that changing the manager/coach at the slightest suggestion of a downturn, is not the way forward. He should be given time to use his first full summer to maximum effect ands bring in players he feels are more suited to the system. As it stands, a full summer of preparation is the one hefty unknown with Oscar. Certainly, the list of possible 'excuses' lessen as time passes and yes, there may come a time when something needs to change. But not now, it's far too early and that's my point.
Problem is we don't really know if OG will be signing his players! And I think that's a lot to do with the unrest with fans, there is no clarity in who is in charge .
MBTS
I don't wish to be rude (which means there's a chance it might seem that way, but it's not personal) but I do get frustrated with regular bouts of selective memory by people on here.
At the end of the January transfer window, the club outlined quite clearly what the process for transfers was, - no doubt to silence the doubters - and they undeniably positioned OG right in the middle of the decision making process. Selective memory means you can be negative for the sake of it and pretend there is one, clinical solution to the club having the gall not to be in the top two.
People also forget that if OG was being compromised, he has enough respect from football people across Europe not to be short of a job and could tell our lot to stuff it before going somewhere else. We're not exactly Barcelona and he doesn't need to be made to look a fool by Brighton & Hove Albion.
It is a long-term process, we are currently not good enough and OG has a first full summer at his disposal to make some changes - albeit within a pay structure just like every other coach/manager. It doesn't guarantee success of courses, although neither does knee-jerk change. But what we DO know is OG is part of the decision making, although some don't like to remember that they've read it.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claud59music[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]challster[/bold] wrote: Oscar is doing a great job! The system he is building is good. It might take players time to adjust esp new ones coming in, but just remember Rome wasn't built in a day. Think about it.. It's about time our nation became less predictable as a footballing team. I love our national team, but the only way we are going to do better is become more confident on the ball, and thus be more flexible when a formation can be changed mid game etc. Spain won the last World Cup.. Why? Because from school boy to adult, they are coached to enjoy their football, it starts with the 'tippy tappy' game - then the sharpness comes ! Can we not see that this is where we are going at brighton. Oscar came through the ranks of the great Barcelona.. Can we all not see that this is the ideal man to build our club? Look at where we are now. I've waited years for us to get back a ground to rival the goldstone, we now have it. Step 2, is now well and truly in place. Which is to build our team. It's happening.. Be patient .. In Oscar we trust. From a loyal northstand fan, of the goldstone and the Amex.[/p][/quote]It is amazing the number of fans who think that good footballers automatically become good managers. This is not the case and I think we are gradually finding this out with OG. This Albion team is quite boring to watch and have been for most of the season. Too slow and pedestrian yet the coach seems to have no idea how to rectify the situation. In OG we suffer![/p][/quote]If you can't significantly change the pig through a season, you can only put lipstick on it and hope.... But it'll still be a pig. "Rectifying the situation" is what the summer's for.[/p][/quote]In essence what your saying is that this entire season was always going to be a right off ! ,Oscar did not have a proper period of time over last summer ,so this season ,we should expect nothing and wait for the next ,thats a lot to ask ,and expect from paying fans ,even loyal Brighton fans . What will be the excuse next time ?.[/p][/quote]Tug, Like most of us, my opinion is based on the wonderful benefit of hindsight - so I'm certainly not pretending "I told you so" in terms of this season. I appreciate patience is a lot to ask of fans in general, but my view is that changing the manager/coach at the slightest suggestion of a downturn, is not the way forward. He should be given time to use his first full summer to maximum effect ands bring in players he feels are more suited to the system. As it stands, a full summer of preparation is the one hefty unknown with Oscar. Certainly, the list of possible 'excuses' lessen as time passes and yes, there may come a time when something needs to change. But not now, it's far too early and that's my point.[/p][/quote]Problem is we don't really know if OG will be signing his players! And I think that's a lot to do with the unrest with fans, there is no clarity in who is in charge .[/p][/quote]MBTS I don't wish to be rude (which means there's a chance it might seem that way, but it's not personal) but I do get frustrated with regular bouts of selective memory by people on here. At the end of the January transfer window, the club outlined quite clearly what the process for transfers was, - no doubt to silence the doubters - and they undeniably positioned OG right in the middle of the decision making process. Selective memory means you can be negative for the sake of it and pretend there is one, clinical solution to the club having the gall not to be in the top two. People also forget that if OG was being compromised, he has enough respect from football people across Europe not to be short of a job and could tell our lot to stuff it before going somewhere else. We're not exactly Barcelona and he doesn't need to be made to look a fool by Brighton & Hove Albion. It is a long-term process, we are currently not good enough and OG has a first full summer at his disposal to make some changes - albeit within a pay structure just like every other coach/manager. It doesn't guarantee success of courses, although neither does knee-jerk change. But what we DO know is OG is part of the decision making, although some don't like to remember that they've read it. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 5

2:11pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

Mr. Uckfield, I have to think that the club does have a football and a business plan and that it is going about seeing them both come to fruition. We as fans will always want more, some will demand more and consider anything less than promotion now as a failure, that 's football.

Any business that tries to grow too quickly faces the possibility of over extending it's self but I don't see Brighton doing that. The level and pace of investment in the club has been well handled and the areas where we have spent, would suggest that the club is planning ahead rather than just for today.

When the day comes that all the infrastructure of the club is in place, and that would inlcude the proposed hotel, parking facility and the student accomodation block, the lcub will be in a position to focus 100% on the playing staff.
We hear a lot about how players look to secure their financial futures with longer and better contracts, well the club has to also consider it's financial security. When we eventualy step up to the top flight our expenditures will be huge compared to those of today, and we must be in a position as a club to be able to meet those financial demands. Over spending now will rob us of money to spend tomorrow, every million we cut from our losses now can be spent when we go up, even if that day doesn't come for a couple of more years.

There will never be a day when we can't hold our own comfortably in the Champ Div, we will always make the top eight or ten places, and maybe flirt with the top six, and until the club is ready to spend at a level to bring in players good enough for a top two spot, we the fans just have to accept that.
Mr. Uckfield, I have to think that the club does have a football and a business plan and that it is going about seeing them both come to fruition. We as fans will always want more, some will demand more and consider anything less than promotion now as a failure, that 's football. Any business that tries to grow too quickly faces the possibility of over extending it's self but I don't see Brighton doing that. The level and pace of investment in the club has been well handled and the areas where we have spent, would suggest that the club is planning ahead rather than just for today. When the day comes that all the infrastructure of the club is in place, and that would inlcude the proposed hotel, parking facility and the student accomodation block, the lcub will be in a position to focus 100% on the playing staff. We hear a lot about how players look to secure their financial futures with longer and better contracts, well the club has to also consider it's financial security. When we eventualy step up to the top flight our expenditures will be huge compared to those of today, and we must be in a position as a club to be able to meet those financial demands. Over spending now will rob us of money to spend tomorrow, every million we cut from our losses now can be spent when we go up, even if that day doesn't come for a couple of more years. There will never be a day when we can't hold our own comfortably in the Champ Div, we will always make the top eight or ten places, and maybe flirt with the top six, and until the club is ready to spend at a level to bring in players good enough for a top two spot, we the fans just have to accept that. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

2:17pm Mon 7 Apr 14

The unwilling Frenchman says...

I do find it really objectionable that people who feel Oscar is not the right man to take this club forward, are subjected to nasty vile insults.
Everybody is entitled to there opinion without being subjected to insults.
I am pretty sure that if we don't make the playoffs, Oscar will be given the summer and some money , not loads, to reshape the team , but if progress is not obvious within a couple of months, say end of October , TB will change the management to give someone else the chance.
If Oscar went Nigel Clough would be my choice.
Lets hope next season shows an upturn in results and performances.
I do find it really objectionable that people who feel Oscar is not the right man to take this club forward, are subjected to nasty vile insults. Everybody is entitled to there opinion without being subjected to insults. I am pretty sure that if we don't make the playoffs, Oscar will be given the summer and some money , not loads, to reshape the team , but if progress is not obvious within a couple of months, say end of October , TB will change the management to give someone else the chance. If Oscar went Nigel Clough would be my choice. Lets hope next season shows an upturn in results and performances. The unwilling Frenchman
  • Score: -2

2:24pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Claude Back says...

Baldseagull wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
Nobody should be surprised at the diversity of opinion about Garcia as witnesses, in my experience, very rarely agree on an incident they have seen. So it is with Football that one man's meat etc. What some see as entertaining others see as boring. Chacun a son gout.
However, what does surprise me a little is the vitriol with which opposing views post their opinion. No need for that. I respect sincerely held opinions that may differ from my own. Opinion is just that,opinion and by nature a subjective thing. So all those who think Garcia is doing a great job, refrain from calling others names like ' idiots' or 'bed-wetters' who think differently. I don't mind if we lose games as long as the game is reasonably exciting and we don't lose a succession of Home games. Sometimes it is better to be a big fish in a small pool than the converse, even though I would dearly love to see us in the Premiership at least once. Is that contradictory? No, it is the curiosity in all of us to want this and maybe the desire of vicarious glory.
Well anyone who thinks we would do best by sacking Oscar right now is an idiot.
People who state that the stats don't lie and that we don't shoot at goal very much are also idiots.
People who claim that we did not field an attacking line up in the last couple of games are idiots who repeat the criticism of others in previous weeks, based on the result.
People who get worried that we will lose a large number of STH's, not be able to retain decent players, not be able to sign decent players, never get to the Premier League etc. because we do not have a Big Name manager, or a "personality" manager, probably also wet the bed at the night.
If people stop revealing themselves to be bedwetting idiots, I am sure they will be left alone.
Like you, I don't mind losing if I have seen us compete well and been entertained, and I have not seen as much entertainment as I would have liked, but we are in with a shout of a play off spot still, can you imagine the bedwetting if we were fighting relegation?
I appreciate your humour. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: Nobody should be surprised at the diversity of opinion about Garcia as witnesses, in my experience, very rarely agree on an incident they have seen. So it is with Football that one man's meat etc. What some see as entertaining others see as boring. Chacun a son gout. However, what does surprise me a little is the vitriol with which opposing views post their opinion. No need for that. I respect sincerely held opinions that may differ from my own. Opinion is just that,opinion and by nature a subjective thing. So all those who think Garcia is doing a great job, refrain from calling others names like ' idiots' or 'bed-wetters' who think differently. I don't mind if we lose games as long as the game is reasonably exciting and we don't lose a succession of Home games. Sometimes it is better to be a big fish in a small pool than the converse, even though I would dearly love to see us in the Premiership at least once. Is that contradictory? No, it is the curiosity in all of us to want this and maybe the desire of vicarious glory.[/p][/quote]Well anyone who thinks we would do best by sacking Oscar right now is an idiot. People who state that the stats don't lie and that we don't shoot at goal very much are also idiots. People who claim that we did not field an attacking line up in the last couple of games are idiots who repeat the criticism of others in previous weeks, based on the result. People who get worried that we will lose a large number of STH's, not be able to retain decent players, not be able to sign decent players, never get to the Premier League etc. because we do not have a Big Name manager, or a "personality" manager, probably also wet the bed at the night. If people stop revealing themselves to be bedwetting idiots, I am sure they will be left alone. Like you, I don't mind losing if I have seen us compete well and been entertained, and I have not seen as much entertainment as I would have liked, but we are in with a shout of a play off spot still, can you imagine the bedwetting if we were fighting relegation?[/p][/quote]I appreciate your humour. ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: 3

2:34pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

Would, could Oscar have guided us to a better place this season had not CMS and Hoskins not been out all season. Would things be different today had not Crofts missed half of this season. If Orlandi and Buckley had been able to stay fit, would they have made a difference. If Lua Lua could find the physical strength to play three or four 90 minute matches in a row, would that have helped. What if Conway decided that he would rather live on the south coast rather than choosing to stay up north, closer to his family, would Oscar not have had another option. How about if Bridcutt chose us over prem football, would he have made a difference, or if Barnes had picked up the contract that sat on the table for months.

All of the above were out of Oscar's hands.
Would, could Oscar have guided us to a better place this season had not CMS and Hoskins not been out all season. Would things be different today had not Crofts missed half of this season. If Orlandi and Buckley had been able to stay fit, would they have made a difference. If Lua Lua could find the physical strength to play three or four 90 minute matches in a row, would that have helped. What if Conway decided that he would rather live on the south coast rather than choosing to stay up north, closer to his family, would Oscar not have had another option. How about if Bridcutt chose us over prem football, would he have made a difference, or if Barnes had picked up the contract that sat on the table for months. All of the above were out of Oscar's hands. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

2:35pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Neville says...

Hi Vegas
The club have a plan to be in the PL within 5 years,as PB said Pl ready.
It is not the plan to remain in the Championship for a few more seasons,a training academy,hotel,sponso
rships etc are investments for the near future.It is no good investing in the infrastructure without due attention being payed to the playing staff,it is the football that attracts the fans.
This season TB stated he expected a top six finish,well that's not going to happen this season,especially with a mid table budget. I am sure we will see TK,WB and LU leave this summer and with the boards obsession with FFP don,t bank on major signings. Next season will be a more difficult one and will define future crowd sizes, so far the activity this season with the exception of DS and JL has been appalling,with goodness knows how much money wasted on Augustien. A good majority of fans won,t put up with a season of mediocrity next season.
Hi Vegas The club have a plan to be in the PL within 5 years,as PB said Pl ready. It is not the plan to remain in the Championship for a few more seasons,a training academy,hotel,sponso rships etc are investments for the near future.It is no good investing in the infrastructure without due attention being payed to the playing staff,it is the football that attracts the fans. This season TB stated he expected a top six finish,well that's not going to happen this season,especially with a mid table budget. I am sure we will see TK,WB and LU leave this summer and with the boards obsession with FFP don,t bank on major signings. Next season will be a more difficult one and will define future crowd sizes, so far the activity this season with the exception of DS and JL has been appalling,with goodness knows how much money wasted on Augustien. A good majority of fans won,t put up with a season of mediocrity next season. Neville
  • Score: 6

2:44pm Mon 7 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

oscar must go wrote:
bha3072011 wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Taxi for Oscar! Malkay or Hughton for me!
Or Meulensteen
Add Steve Clarke to that list. Did a good job at WBA + has connections at both Liverpool and Chelsea.
Sherwood now as well.

So much talent out there so no better time to make a move.

When Oscar goes, as he inevitably will, there will be little sympathy on here for him and his assistant Jones.

People are quickly wising up to how hopeless Burke and Day are so change the infrastructure now to get things in place for 2014-15.
[quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bha3072011[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Taxi for Oscar! Malkay or Hughton for me![/p][/quote]Or Meulensteen[/p][/quote]Add Steve Clarke to that list. Did a good job at WBA + has connections at both Liverpool and Chelsea.[/p][/quote]Sherwood now as well. So much talent out there so no better time to make a move. When Oscar goes, as he inevitably will, there will be little sympathy on here for him and his assistant Jones. People are quickly wising up to how hopeless Burke and Day are so change the infrastructure now to get things in place for 2014-15. oscar must go
  • Score: -1

2:46pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Tommy11 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Just suppose we did replace Oscar and suppose a, 'name,' did come in as manager, do you Oscar detractors think that the transfer budget would change, or that players wages would sudenly go up, NO CHANCE. Brighton are working to a sound and reliable financial plan, we WILL be FFP compliant, we WILL NOT spend money that we can't afford to spend. We could appoint Sir Alex as manger tomorrow and he would have to work under the same financial contraints as those imposed on Oscar. If the money is there to spend for next season we might well see a clear out, Oscar will have the chance to improve the squad, if the money isn't there, then he will have to cut his cloth according to his means. Oscar as done wll with a squad that has been depleted all season, let's hope that the club will recognize what he has been able to do and give him what they can for next season. Some of the idiots on here we have us spend our way to oblivion just to satisfy thier needs for 90 minutes each week.
Totally Disagree.

We don't have to get a name, just someone with a bit of passion who can motivate players - and has more than 1 tactic up his sleave! its not about a name. Just someone who knows what they are doing.

And who do you think you are calling us idiots?I spent a fortune going to Barnsley. I can say what I want! I don't watch games on a Laptop with my pants round my ankles.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Just suppose we did replace Oscar and suppose a, 'name,' did come in as manager, do you Oscar detractors think that the transfer budget would change, or that players wages would sudenly go up, NO CHANCE. Brighton are working to a sound and reliable financial plan, we WILL be FFP compliant, we WILL NOT spend money that we can't afford to spend. We could appoint Sir Alex as manger tomorrow and he would have to work under the same financial contraints as those imposed on Oscar. If the money is there to spend for next season we might well see a clear out, Oscar will have the chance to improve the squad, if the money isn't there, then he will have to cut his cloth according to his means. Oscar as done wll with a squad that has been depleted all season, let's hope that the club will recognize what he has been able to do and give him what they can for next season. Some of the idiots on here we have us spend our way to oblivion just to satisfy thier needs for 90 minutes each week.[/p][/quote]Totally Disagree. We don't have to get a name, just someone with a bit of passion who can motivate players - and has more than 1 tactic up his sleave! its not about a name. Just someone who knows what they are doing. And who do you think you are calling us idiots?I spent a fortune going to Barnsley. I can say what I want! I don't watch games on a Laptop with my pants round my ankles. Tommy11
  • Score: 4

2:52pm Mon 7 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

Tommy11 wrote:
What is clear from this is that opinions in regards to Garcia are split amongst the fans. I respect all opinions, but I must say I am a little baffled to see so many in support of him. I do believe in being a positive person – but with Garcia there is nothing to be positive about! People keep saying we need to be patient, we need to wait until the summer for him to bring his own players in. But come on – can we really trust him to do that? Do we think HE CAN do that? I don’t at all, as I don’t think he has clue what he is doing – and that’s being positive!

I was at Barnsley, and we were a disgrace. No motivation at all, no plan, no idea. Players looked disinterested. Ulloa looked like he wanted to get sent off as he was getting so frustrated with the lack of service. He was truly a pathetic performance. What was more worrying was how pathetic the bench looked. Garica was just walking about looking at his trainers, Jones pointing in all sorts of directions – but with no substance. We were calling the team to Attack Attack Attack so he decides to bring on CMS & Lua Lua, by this time it’s too late. Garica now has the audacity to have a go at us – the fans – for telling him were too negative. But this was the reason why he brought them on! We needed a lift because we were being so negative! Ridiculous argument he is making!

My opinion is that we need to sack Garica and the whole coaching staff right now. It’s no working, they don’t have a clue and they are slowly wearing our club down with this constant dross. I cannot see how he can turn this around. It’s just him & his personality – he will NOT change. By leaving him In charge this summer we are jeopardising next season – it will be too late sacking him around Christmas. (which mark my words will happen if we leave this man in charge this summer).

Those fans stating I’m just inpatient for us to get to the premiership are wrong. I wouldn’t care if were mid table, but playing some lovely stuff – stuff that I’m proud of seeing. Losing 1-0 but going for it right to death is what I ask for, and pay money for, and I have seen plenty of them.

Barnsley was shocking – the motivation from the bench was even worse.

Garcia out.
Perfect summary. It won't be long before the " Oscar out" group are in the majority!!

As Del Boy said " you know it makes sense" !!!!
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: What is clear from this is that opinions in regards to Garcia are split amongst the fans. I respect all opinions, but I must say I am a little baffled to see so many in support of him. I do believe in being a positive person – but with Garcia there is nothing to be positive about! People keep saying we need to be patient, we need to wait until the summer for him to bring his own players in. But come on – can we really trust him to do that? Do we think HE CAN do that? I don’t at all, as I don’t think he has clue what he is doing – and that’s being positive! I was at Barnsley, and we were a disgrace. No motivation at all, no plan, no idea. Players looked disinterested. Ulloa looked like he wanted to get sent off as he was getting so frustrated with the lack of service. He was truly a pathetic performance. What was more worrying was how pathetic the bench looked. Garica was just walking about looking at his trainers, Jones pointing in all sorts of directions – but with no substance. We were calling the team to Attack Attack Attack so he decides to bring on CMS & Lua Lua, by this time it’s too late. Garica now has the audacity to have a go at us – the fans – for telling him were too negative. But this was the reason why he brought them on! We needed a lift because we were being so negative! Ridiculous argument he is making! My opinion is that we need to sack Garica and the whole coaching staff right now. It’s no working, they don’t have a clue and they are slowly wearing our club down with this constant dross. I cannot see how he can turn this around. It’s just him & his personality – he will NOT change. By leaving him In charge this summer we are jeopardising next season – it will be too late sacking him around Christmas. (which mark my words will happen if we leave this man in charge this summer). Those fans stating I’m just inpatient for us to get to the premiership are wrong. I wouldn’t care if were mid table, but playing some lovely stuff – stuff that I’m proud of seeing. Losing 1-0 but going for it right to death is what I ask for, and pay money for, and I have seen plenty of them. Barnsley was shocking – the motivation from the bench was even worse. Garcia out.[/p][/quote]Perfect summary. It won't be long before the " Oscar out" group are in the majority!! As Del Boy said " you know it makes sense" !!!! oscar must go
  • Score: 3

2:54pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Neville says...

Vegas,
You are normally calm and concise,and even you are starting to call season tkt holders etc idiots,we are far from that and it's sad that you have now started to sound like some other posts on here,we are all entitled to an opinion even if it does not concur with yours
Vegas, You are normally calm and concise,and even you are starting to call season tkt holders etc idiots,we are far from that and it's sad that you have now started to sound like some other posts on here,we are all entitled to an opinion even if it does not concur with yours Neville
  • Score: 4

2:56pm Mon 7 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

Tommy11 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Just suppose we did replace Oscar and suppose a, 'name,' did come in as manager, do you Oscar detractors think that the transfer budget would change, or that players wages would sudenly go up, NO CHANCE. Brighton are working to a sound and reliable financial plan, we WILL be FFP compliant, we WILL NOT spend money that we can't afford to spend. We could appoint Sir Alex as manger tomorrow and he would have to work under the same financial contraints as those imposed on Oscar. If the money is there to spend for next season we might well see a clear out, Oscar will have the chance to improve the squad, if the money isn't there, then he will have to cut his cloth according to his means. Oscar as done wll with a squad that has been depleted all season, let's hope that the club will recognize what he has been able to do and give him what they can for next season. Some of the idiots on here we have us spend our way to oblivion just to satisfy thier needs for 90 minutes each week.
Totally Disagree.

We don't have to get a name, just someone with a bit of passion who can motivate players - and has more than 1 tactic up his sleave! its not about a name. Just someone who knows what they are doing.

And who do you think you are calling us idiots?I spent a fortune going to Barnsley. I can say what I want! I don't watch games on a Laptop with my pants round my ankles.
Don't let him get to you !!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Just suppose we did replace Oscar and suppose a, 'name,' did come in as manager, do you Oscar detractors think that the transfer budget would change, or that players wages would sudenly go up, NO CHANCE. Brighton are working to a sound and reliable financial plan, we WILL be FFP compliant, we WILL NOT spend money that we can't afford to spend. We could appoint Sir Alex as manger tomorrow and he would have to work under the same financial contraints as those imposed on Oscar. If the money is there to spend for next season we might well see a clear out, Oscar will have the chance to improve the squad, if the money isn't there, then he will have to cut his cloth according to his means. Oscar as done wll with a squad that has been depleted all season, let's hope that the club will recognize what he has been able to do and give him what they can for next season. Some of the idiots on here we have us spend our way to oblivion just to satisfy thier needs for 90 minutes each week.[/p][/quote]Totally Disagree. We don't have to get a name, just someone with a bit of passion who can motivate players - and has more than 1 tactic up his sleave! its not about a name. Just someone who knows what they are doing. And who do you think you are calling us idiots?I spent a fortune going to Barnsley. I can say what I want! I don't watch games on a Laptop with my pants round my ankles.[/p][/quote]Don't let him get to you !!!!!!!!!! oscar must go
  • Score: 3

2:57pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Neville says...

I would like to see OG run the academy and get a proven manager in for next season,McCarthy or Malay McKay wud be my preferences.
I would like to see OG run the academy and get a proven manager in for next season,McCarthy or Malay McKay wud be my preferences. Neville
  • Score: 0

3:02pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

Neville wrote:
Hi Vegas
The club have a plan to be in the PL within 5 years,as PB said Pl ready.
It is not the plan to remain in the Championship for a few more seasons,a training academy,hotel,sponso

rships etc are investments for the near future.It is no good investing in the infrastructure without due attention being payed to the playing staff,it is the football that attracts the fans.
This season TB stated he expected a top six finish,well that's not going to happen this season,especially with a mid table budget. I am sure we will see TK,WB and LU leave this summer and with the boards obsession with FFP don,t bank on major signings. Next season will be a more difficult one and will define future crowd sizes, so far the activity this season with the exception of DS and JL has been appalling,with goodness knows how much money wasted on Augustien. A good majority of fans won,t put up with a season of mediocrity next season.
Hi Neville, let's be honest mate, we have no idea what money Oscar will have to work with, and we have no idea who will stay and who will go, what we do know is that things will be different, they are always are.

Revenues to the club are paramount, we can't spend if we don't make, so yes the fan base is vital. The product that the club is selling has to be of a quality that the fans will be willing to buy, but that shouldn't mean that only promotion is seen as a viable product. An entertaining product can be produced but it may not be good enough to get to the prem.
When Barber talks of being, 'prem ready,' he is mostly referring to the financial base, reliable and sustainable revenue streams. The creation of those new streams will not come about by spending money that could have gone to player recruitment, this money will be generated in other ways and had not those three new items not been a target, that money would not have existed.

I agree with you, the squad needs improving, I have suggested that 12 new players should come in but will we have the money to get them. I think that the fans can be given an entertaining product even if that product is good enough right now to get us promoted.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Hi Vegas The club have a plan to be in the PL within 5 years,as PB said Pl ready. It is not the plan to remain in the Championship for a few more seasons,a training academy,hotel,sponso rships etc are investments for the near future.It is no good investing in the infrastructure without due attention being payed to the playing staff,it is the football that attracts the fans. This season TB stated he expected a top six finish,well that's not going to happen this season,especially with a mid table budget. I am sure we will see TK,WB and LU leave this summer and with the boards obsession with FFP don,t bank on major signings. Next season will be a more difficult one and will define future crowd sizes, so far the activity this season with the exception of DS and JL has been appalling,with goodness knows how much money wasted on Augustien. A good majority of fans won,t put up with a season of mediocrity next season.[/p][/quote]Hi Neville, let's be honest mate, we have no idea what money Oscar will have to work with, and we have no idea who will stay and who will go, what we do know is that things will be different, they are always are. Revenues to the club are paramount, we can't spend if we don't make, so yes the fan base is vital. The product that the club is selling has to be of a quality that the fans will be willing to buy, but that shouldn't mean that only promotion is seen as a viable product. An entertaining product can be produced but it may not be good enough to get to the prem. When Barber talks of being, 'prem ready,' he is mostly referring to the financial base, reliable and sustainable revenue streams. The creation of those new streams will not come about by spending money that could have gone to player recruitment, this money will be generated in other ways and had not those three new items not been a target, that money would not have existed. I agree with you, the squad needs improving, I have suggested that 12 new players should come in but will we have the money to get them. I think that the fans can be given an entertaining product even if that product is good enough right now to get us promoted. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

3:07pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Steveg1958 says...

Neville wrote:
Vegas,
You are normally calm and concise,and even you are starting to call season tkt holders etc idiots,we are far from that and it's sad that you have now started to sound like some other posts on here,we are all entitled to an opinion even if it does not concur with yours
Quite right as season ticket holders we have the right to an opinion and a right to be entertained, we are not all idiots just because we feel that Oscar needs to wise up to different tactics. We do not want the club to spend its way to disaster, we just want entertaining football and a few new ideas. We are currently predictable and bring to watch and something needs to change, and that's my opinion, and I expect loads of thumbs down especially from those that never go to games.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Vegas, You are normally calm and concise,and even you are starting to call season tkt holders etc idiots,we are far from that and it's sad that you have now started to sound like some other posts on here,we are all entitled to an opinion even if it does not concur with yours[/p][/quote]Quite right as season ticket holders we have the right to an opinion and a right to be entertained, we are not all idiots just because we feel that Oscar needs to wise up to different tactics. We do not want the club to spend its way to disaster, we just want entertaining football and a few new ideas. We are currently predictable and bring to watch and something needs to change, and that's my opinion, and I expect loads of thumbs down especially from those that never go to games. Steveg1958
  • Score: 7

3:07pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

Neville wrote:
Vegas,
You are normally calm and concise,and even you are starting to call season tkt holders etc idiots,we are far from that and it's sad that you have now started to sound like some other posts on here,we are all entitled to an opinion even if it does not concur with yours
Please read what I said again.
I made the point that, 'those calling for us to spend ourselves into oblivion,' were and are idiots. If some think it's right for us to spend money we can't afford to spend, ignore the FFP rules and increase our operational losses, if they think that would be good for the club, what would you call them?
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Vegas, You are normally calm and concise,and even you are starting to call season tkt holders etc idiots,we are far from that and it's sad that you have now started to sound like some other posts on here,we are all entitled to an opinion even if it does not concur with yours[/p][/quote]Please read what I said again. I made the point that, 'those calling for us to spend ourselves into oblivion,' were and are idiots. If some think it's right for us to spend money we can't afford to spend, ignore the FFP rules and increase our operational losses, if they think that would be good for the club, what would you call them? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

3:13pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

Steveg1958 wrote:
Neville wrote:
Vegas,
You are normally calm and concise,and even you are starting to call season tkt holders etc idiots,we are far from that and it's sad that you have now started to sound like some other posts on here,we are all entitled to an opinion even if it does not concur with yours
Quite right as season ticket holders we have the right to an opinion and a right to be entertained, we are not all idiots just because we feel that Oscar needs to wise up to different tactics. We do not want the club to spend its way to disaster, we just want entertaining football and a few new ideas. We are currently predictable and bring to watch and something needs to change, and that's my opinion, and I expect loads of thumbs down especially from those that never go to games.
Ok so who among the players should go because they are not providing a high enough entertainment level and who should come in, name the players and add up the costs.
Of course we could just keep the players we have and get a new manager, one that will suddenly transform some of our players into faster and more skillfull ones. Too many good managers lose their jobs due to the players not delivering and the fact that the manager is not given the funds to replace them.
[quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Vegas, You are normally calm and concise,and even you are starting to call season tkt holders etc idiots,we are far from that and it's sad that you have now started to sound like some other posts on here,we are all entitled to an opinion even if it does not concur with yours[/p][/quote]Quite right as season ticket holders we have the right to an opinion and a right to be entertained, we are not all idiots just because we feel that Oscar needs to wise up to different tactics. We do not want the club to spend its way to disaster, we just want entertaining football and a few new ideas. We are currently predictable and bring to watch and something needs to change, and that's my opinion, and I expect loads of thumbs down especially from those that never go to games.[/p][/quote]Ok so who among the players should go because they are not providing a high enough entertainment level and who should come in, name the players and add up the costs. Of course we could just keep the players we have and get a new manager, one that will suddenly transform some of our players into faster and more skillfull ones. Too many good managers lose their jobs due to the players not delivering and the fact that the manager is not given the funds to replace them. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

3:13pm Mon 7 Apr 14

The unwilling Frenchman says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Would, could Oscar have guided us to a better place this season had not CMS and Hoskins not been out all season. Would things be different today had not Crofts missed half of this season. If Orlandi and Buckley had been able to stay fit, would they have made a difference. If Lua Lua could find the physical strength to play three or four 90 minute matches in a row, would that have helped. What if Conway decided that he would rather live on the south coast rather than choosing to stay up north, closer to his family, would Oscar not have had another option. How about if Bridcutt chose us over prem football, would he have made a difference, or if Barnes had picked up the contract that sat on the table for months.

All of the above were out of Oscar's hands.
Vegas, this really is nonsense, every manager has all the same problems you have highlighted, that's why you have a SQUAD.
Gus had all the same kind of problems but we ended up in a play off position comfortably.
Kaz has stated on the Radio, that he is OK to start and hates being regarded as an impact player.
The Bridcutt situation , was I agree unavoidable, and he has been a massive loss, but you don't get £3 million for nothing.
Given very similar resources as Gus, Oscar has quite simply NOT performed, in terms of results and performances.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Would, could Oscar have guided us to a better place this season had not CMS and Hoskins not been out all season. Would things be different today had not Crofts missed half of this season. If Orlandi and Buckley had been able to stay fit, would they have made a difference. If Lua Lua could find the physical strength to play three or four 90 minute matches in a row, would that have helped. What if Conway decided that he would rather live on the south coast rather than choosing to stay up north, closer to his family, would Oscar not have had another option. How about if Bridcutt chose us over prem football, would he have made a difference, or if Barnes had picked up the contract that sat on the table for months. All of the above were out of Oscar's hands.[/p][/quote]Vegas, this really is nonsense, every manager has all the same problems you have highlighted, that's why you have a SQUAD. Gus had all the same kind of problems but we ended up in a play off position comfortably. Kaz has stated on the Radio, that he is OK to start and hates being regarded as an impact player. The Bridcutt situation , was I agree unavoidable, and he has been a massive loss, but you don't get £3 million for nothing. Given very similar resources as Gus, Oscar has quite simply NOT performed, in terms of results and performances. The unwilling Frenchman
  • Score: -1

3:23pm Mon 7 Apr 14

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Would, could Oscar have guided us to a better place this season had not CMS and Hoskins not been out all season. Would things be different today had not Crofts missed half of this season. If Orlandi and Buckley had been able to stay fit, would they have made a difference. If Lua Lua could find the physical strength to play three or four 90 minute matches in a row, would that have helped. What if Conway decided that he would rather live on the south coast rather than choosing to stay up north, closer to his family, would Oscar not have had another option. How about if Bridcutt chose us over prem football, would he have made a difference, or if Barnes had picked up the contract that sat on the table for months.

All of the above were out of Oscar's hands.
Hi Vegas ,it`s the things that are not out of Oscar`s hands that bother me the most ,i firmly believe that you always play your strongest team ,you should always try to play strikers in a striking role and wingers in a wingers role ,i hate seeing players played out of position ,unless injuries make that your only option of course .
I know we are limited to player personel ,and i`m not one of those crying out for millions to be spent ,although i did think we might do a little more in January . But i do want us to at least use who we have got ,Stephens left on the bench for JFC at Blackburn ,Kaz never starting ,ok so he has trouble lasting the full 90 ,but if his impact was felt from the first whistle ,we would be leading more games by half time .
I am as you say a detractor of Oscar ,but purely based on his defensive attitude ,as i said a few days ago in a post ,at one point we had 8 defensive players on the pitch at once ,although some will say JFC is not a DMF that is how he was described at the time of the substitution ,as if 7 would make it better !.
I think the lads we have ,have done wonders ,as has Oscar given all the encumbrant problems since the start of the season ,but i cant help thinking that a less predictable line up and more attack minded set up would see more goals . Yes Saturday we had a very attack minded side ,but not all on the pitch at one time !. omho. UTA
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Would, could Oscar have guided us to a better place this season had not CMS and Hoskins not been out all season. Would things be different today had not Crofts missed half of this season. If Orlandi and Buckley had been able to stay fit, would they have made a difference. If Lua Lua could find the physical strength to play three or four 90 minute matches in a row, would that have helped. What if Conway decided that he would rather live on the south coast rather than choosing to stay up north, closer to his family, would Oscar not have had another option. How about if Bridcutt chose us over prem football, would he have made a difference, or if Barnes had picked up the contract that sat on the table for months. All of the above were out of Oscar's hands.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas ,it`s the things that are not out of Oscar`s hands that bother me the most ,i firmly believe that you always play your strongest team ,you should always try to play strikers in a striking role and wingers in a wingers role ,i hate seeing players played out of position ,unless injuries make that your only option of course . I know we are limited to player personel ,and i`m not one of those crying out for millions to be spent ,although i did think we might do a little more in January . But i do want us to at least use who we have got ,Stephens left on the bench for JFC at Blackburn ,Kaz never starting ,ok so he has trouble lasting the full 90 ,but if his impact was felt from the first whistle ,we would be leading more games by half time . I am as you say a detractor of Oscar ,but purely based on his defensive attitude ,as i said a few days ago in a post ,at one point we had 8 defensive players on the pitch at once ,although some will say JFC is not a DMF that is how he was described at the time of the substitution ,as if 7 would make it better !. I think the lads we have ,have done wonders ,as has Oscar given all the encumbrant problems since the start of the season ,but i cant help thinking that a less predictable line up and more attack minded set up would see more goals . Yes Saturday we had a very attack minded side ,but not all on the pitch at one time !. omho. UTA tug509
  • Score: 5

3:26pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Albion In Staffs says...

oscar must go wrote:
oscar must go wrote:
bha3072011 wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Taxi for Oscar! Malkay or Hughton for me!
Or Meulensteen
Add Steve Clarke to that list. Did a good job at WBA + has connections at both Liverpool and Chelsea.
Sherwood now as well.

So much talent out there so no better time to make a move.

When Oscar goes, as he inevitably will, there will be little sympathy on here for him and his assistant Jones.

People are quickly wising up to how hopeless Burke and Day are so change the infrastructure now to get things in place for 2014-15.
So you're saying Oscar must go and we need to get someone else in, but at the same time suggesting that it's Burke & Day who are hopeless?
So if you were to change the coach, Burke and Day are still there, but if you got rid of Burke and Day because they're the problem, why does OG have to suffer?
Doesn't make sense.
[quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bha3072011[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Taxi for Oscar! Malkay or Hughton for me![/p][/quote]Or Meulensteen[/p][/quote]Add Steve Clarke to that list. Did a good job at WBA + has connections at both Liverpool and Chelsea.[/p][/quote]Sherwood now as well. So much talent out there so no better time to make a move. When Oscar goes, as he inevitably will, there will be little sympathy on here for him and his assistant Jones. People are quickly wising up to how hopeless Burke and Day are so change the infrastructure now to get things in place for 2014-15.[/p][/quote]So you're saying Oscar must go and we need to get someone else in, but at the same time suggesting that it's Burke & Day who are hopeless? So if you were to change the coach, Burke and Day are still there, but if you got rid of Burke and Day because they're the problem, why does OG have to suffer? Doesn't make sense. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 5

3:28pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

The unwilling Frenchman wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Would, could Oscar have guided us to a better place this season had not CMS and Hoskins not been out all season. Would things be different today had not Crofts missed half of this season. If Orlandi and Buckley had been able to stay fit, would they have made a difference. If Lua Lua could find the physical strength to play three or four 90 minute matches in a row, would that have helped. What if Conway decided that he would rather live on the south coast rather than choosing to stay up north, closer to his family, would Oscar not have had another option. How about if Bridcutt chose us over prem football, would he have made a difference, or if Barnes had picked up the contract that sat on the table for months.

All of the above were out of Oscar's hands.
Vegas, this really is nonsense, every manager has all the same problems you have highlighted, that's why you have a SQUAD.
Gus had all the same kind of problems but we ended up in a play off position comfortably.
Kaz has stated on the Radio, that he is OK to start and hates being regarded as an impact player.
The Bridcutt situation , was I agree unavoidable, and he has been a massive loss, but you don't get £3 million for nothing.
Given very similar resources as Gus, Oscar has quite simply NOT performed, in terms of results and performances.
So this thread has now become one where we compare Oscar to Poyet. When Oscar took over he inherited Poyet's squad, a squad that Poyet did not think was good enough for the season we are currently in, 'we hit the ceiling.'
Oscar clearly has not been given the money to improve the squad in the same way that Poyet wanted to, and Oscar was not as aware of the english transfer market as Poyet.
The players I mentioned were all key players in Poyet's squad, for the most part of this season Oscar has been deprived of their services either completely or for large amounts of time. Poyet would have been demanding replacements, Oscar had to work with what he had. Yep, other lcubs have also suffered by losing key players, and most of those clubs have turned to the market place to solve their problems, but many of them will fall foul of the FFP rules.

It may be right to compare the two managers but when doing so we should also compare the resources given to each of them. Poyet over two season at the Amex was given a lot, Oscar was given a couple of crap loanees and one decent signing in Stephens, the two or tree other successful players have come from the DS, and they have been brought on by Oscar.
[quote][p][bold]The unwilling Frenchman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Would, could Oscar have guided us to a better place this season had not CMS and Hoskins not been out all season. Would things be different today had not Crofts missed half of this season. If Orlandi and Buckley had been able to stay fit, would they have made a difference. If Lua Lua could find the physical strength to play three or four 90 minute matches in a row, would that have helped. What if Conway decided that he would rather live on the south coast rather than choosing to stay up north, closer to his family, would Oscar not have had another option. How about if Bridcutt chose us over prem football, would he have made a difference, or if Barnes had picked up the contract that sat on the table for months. All of the above were out of Oscar's hands.[/p][/quote]Vegas, this really is nonsense, every manager has all the same problems you have highlighted, that's why you have a SQUAD. Gus had all the same kind of problems but we ended up in a play off position comfortably. Kaz has stated on the Radio, that he is OK to start and hates being regarded as an impact player. The Bridcutt situation , was I agree unavoidable, and he has been a massive loss, but you don't get £3 million for nothing. Given very similar resources as Gus, Oscar has quite simply NOT performed, in terms of results and performances.[/p][/quote]So this thread has now become one where we compare Oscar to Poyet. When Oscar took over he inherited Poyet's squad, a squad that Poyet did not think was good enough for the season we are currently in, 'we hit the ceiling.' Oscar clearly has not been given the money to improve the squad in the same way that Poyet wanted to, and Oscar was not as aware of the english transfer market as Poyet. The players I mentioned were all key players in Poyet's squad, for the most part of this season Oscar has been deprived of their services either completely or for large amounts of time. Poyet would have been demanding replacements, Oscar had to work with what he had. Yep, other lcubs have also suffered by losing key players, and most of those clubs have turned to the market place to solve their problems, but many of them will fall foul of the FFP rules. It may be right to compare the two managers but when doing so we should also compare the resources given to each of them. Poyet over two season at the Amex was given a lot, Oscar was given a couple of crap loanees and one decent signing in Stephens, the two or tree other successful players have come from the DS, and they have been brought on by Oscar. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 9

3:35pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Neville says...

Vegas,
Ok I would release:

Brezovan,Ankergren,A
ndrews,Augustien,Lop
ez,Rodriguez,Hoskins


Sell Buckley and Ulloa
Try and re sign TK and then if he goas we can command a fee and sign Ward and try and keep Lingard .
Money from sales to be spent strengthening squad unless swallowed up by FFP.
Vegas, Ok I would release: Brezovan,Ankergren,A ndrews,Augustien,Lop ez,Rodriguez,Hoskins Sell Buckley and Ulloa Try and re sign TK and then if he goas we can command a fee and sign Ward and try and keep Lingard . Money from sales to be spent strengthening squad unless swallowed up by FFP. Neville
  • Score: 1

3:38pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
The unwilling Frenchman wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Would, could Oscar have guided us to a better place this season had not CMS and Hoskins not been out all season. Would things be different today had not Crofts missed half of this season. If Orlandi and Buckley had been able to stay fit, would they have made a difference. If Lua Lua could find the physical strength to play three or four 90 minute matches in a row, would that have helped. What if Conway decided that he would rather live on the south coast rather than choosing to stay up north, closer to his family, would Oscar not have had another option. How about if Bridcutt chose us over prem football, would he have made a difference, or if Barnes had picked up the contract that sat on the table for months.

All of the above were out of Oscar's hands.
Vegas, this really is nonsense, every manager has all the same problems you have highlighted, that's why you have a SQUAD.
Gus had all the same kind of problems but we ended up in a play off position comfortably.
Kaz has stated on the Radio, that he is OK to start and hates being regarded as an impact player.
The Bridcutt situation , was I agree unavoidable, and he has been a massive loss, but you don't get £3 million for nothing.
Given very similar resources as Gus, Oscar has quite simply NOT performed, in terms of results and performances.
So this thread has now become one where we compare Oscar to Poyet. When Oscar took over he inherited Poyet's squad, a squad that Poyet did not think was good enough for the season we are currently in, 'we hit the ceiling.'
Oscar clearly has not been given the money to improve the squad in the same way that Poyet wanted to, and Oscar was not as aware of the english transfer market as Poyet.
The players I mentioned were all key players in Poyet's squad, for the most part of this season Oscar has been deprived of their services either completely or for large amounts of time. Poyet would have been demanding replacements, Oscar had to work with what he had. Yep, other lcubs have also suffered by losing key players, and most of those clubs have turned to the market place to solve their problems, but many of them will fall foul of the FFP rules.

It may be right to compare the two managers but when doing so we should also compare the resources given to each of them. Poyet over two season at the Amex was given a lot, Oscar was given a couple of crap loanees and one decent signing in Stephens, the two or tree other successful players have come from the DS, and they have been brought on by Oscar.
Quite right. Comparing the last of Poyet's four seasons to OG's very first, is irrational.
I've said it many times, but OG should be given the summer to shape HIS squad rather than be condemned for being forced to tinker for nine months with someone else's.
The trouble with computers is too many people use them to play Championship Manager.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The unwilling Frenchman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Would, could Oscar have guided us to a better place this season had not CMS and Hoskins not been out all season. Would things be different today had not Crofts missed half of this season. If Orlandi and Buckley had been able to stay fit, would they have made a difference. If Lua Lua could find the physical strength to play three or four 90 minute matches in a row, would that have helped. What if Conway decided that he would rather live on the south coast rather than choosing to stay up north, closer to his family, would Oscar not have had another option. How about if Bridcutt chose us over prem football, would he have made a difference, or if Barnes had picked up the contract that sat on the table for months. All of the above were out of Oscar's hands.[/p][/quote]Vegas, this really is nonsense, every manager has all the same problems you have highlighted, that's why you have a SQUAD. Gus had all the same kind of problems but we ended up in a play off position comfortably. Kaz has stated on the Radio, that he is OK to start and hates being regarded as an impact player. The Bridcutt situation , was I agree unavoidable, and he has been a massive loss, but you don't get £3 million for nothing. Given very similar resources as Gus, Oscar has quite simply NOT performed, in terms of results and performances.[/p][/quote]So this thread has now become one where we compare Oscar to Poyet. When Oscar took over he inherited Poyet's squad, a squad that Poyet did not think was good enough for the season we are currently in, 'we hit the ceiling.' Oscar clearly has not been given the money to improve the squad in the same way that Poyet wanted to, and Oscar was not as aware of the english transfer market as Poyet. The players I mentioned were all key players in Poyet's squad, for the most part of this season Oscar has been deprived of their services either completely or for large amounts of time. Poyet would have been demanding replacements, Oscar had to work with what he had. Yep, other lcubs have also suffered by losing key players, and most of those clubs have turned to the market place to solve their problems, but many of them will fall foul of the FFP rules. It may be right to compare the two managers but when doing so we should also compare the resources given to each of them. Poyet over two season at the Amex was given a lot, Oscar was given a couple of crap loanees and one decent signing in Stephens, the two or tree other successful players have come from the DS, and they have been brought on by Oscar.[/p][/quote]Quite right. Comparing the last of Poyet's four seasons to OG's very first, is irrational. I've said it many times, but OG should be given the summer to shape HIS squad rather than be condemned for being forced to tinker for nine months with someone else's. The trouble with computers is too many people use them to play Championship Manager. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 3

3:40pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Steveg1958 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Steveg1958 wrote:
Neville wrote:
Vegas,
You are normally calm and concise,and even you are starting to call season tkt holders etc idiots,we are far from that and it's sad that you have now started to sound like some other posts on here,we are all entitled to an opinion even if it does not concur with yours
Quite right as season ticket holders we have the right to an opinion and a right to be entertained, we are not all idiots just because we feel that Oscar needs to wise up to different tactics. We do not want the club to spend its way to disaster, we just want entertaining football and a few new ideas. We are currently predictable and bring to watch and something needs to change, and that's my opinion, and I expect loads of thumbs down especially from those that never go to games.
Ok so who among the players should go because they are not providing a high enough entertainment level and who should come in, name the players and add up the costs.
Of course we could just keep the players we have and get a new manager, one that will suddenly transform some of our players into faster and more skillfull ones. Too many good managers lose their jobs due to the players not delivering and the fact that the manager is not given the funds to replace them.
Vegas, I am afraid that I'd prefer the head coach and his assistant went, because it appears that nether could motivate anyone in the team ! Some of the current squad clearly are not good enough for the premier league but I suspect that most of them are for the championship its just that the style of football and lack of tactical nous on the side lines is not up to scratch and as for player motivation, don't make me laugh, ! Oscar couldn't look more less motivated if he was managing in the West Sussex league. Body language says so much.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steveg1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Vegas, You are normally calm and concise,and even you are starting to call season tkt holders etc idiots,we are far from that and it's sad that you have now started to sound like some other posts on here,we are all entitled to an opinion even if it does not concur with yours[/p][/quote]Quite right as season ticket holders we have the right to an opinion and a right to be entertained, we are not all idiots just because we feel that Oscar needs to wise up to different tactics. We do not want the club to spend its way to disaster, we just want entertaining football and a few new ideas. We are currently predictable and bring to watch and something needs to change, and that's my opinion, and I expect loads of thumbs down especially from those that never go to games.[/p][/quote]Ok so who among the players should go because they are not providing a high enough entertainment level and who should come in, name the players and add up the costs. Of course we could just keep the players we have and get a new manager, one that will suddenly transform some of our players into faster and more skillfull ones. Too many good managers lose their jobs due to the players not delivering and the fact that the manager is not given the funds to replace them.[/p][/quote]Vegas, I am afraid that I'd prefer the head coach and his assistant went, because it appears that nether could motivate anyone in the team ! Some of the current squad clearly are not good enough for the premier league but I suspect that most of them are for the championship its just that the style of football and lack of tactical nous on the side lines is not up to scratch and as for player motivation, don't make me laugh, ! Oscar couldn't look more less motivated if he was managing in the West Sussex league. Body language says so much. Steveg1958
  • Score: -1

3:46pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Would, could Oscar have guided us to a better place this season had not CMS and Hoskins not been out all season. Would things be different today had not Crofts missed half of this season. If Orlandi and Buckley had been able to stay fit, would they have made a difference. If Lua Lua could find the physical strength to play three or four 90 minute matches in a row, would that have helped. What if Conway decided that he would rather live on the south coast rather than choosing to stay up north, closer to his family, would Oscar not have had another option. How about if Bridcutt chose us over prem football, would he have made a difference, or if Barnes had picked up the contract that sat on the table for months.

All of the above were out of Oscar's hands.
Hi Vegas ,it`s the things that are not out of Oscar`s hands that bother me the most ,i firmly believe that you always play your strongest team ,you should always try to play strikers in a striking role and wingers in a wingers role ,i hate seeing players played out of position ,unless injuries make that your only option of course .
I know we are limited to player personel ,and i`m not one of those crying out for millions to be spent ,although i did think we might do a little more in January . But i do want us to at least use who we have got ,Stephens left on the bench for JFC at Blackburn ,Kaz never starting ,ok so he has trouble lasting the full 90 ,but if his impact was felt from the first whistle ,we would be leading more games by half time .
I am as you say a detractor of Oscar ,but purely based on his defensive attitude ,as i said a few days ago in a post ,at one point we had 8 defensive players on the pitch at once ,although some will say JFC is not a DMF that is how he was described at the time of the substitution ,as if 7 would make it better !.
I think the lads we have ,have done wonders ,as has Oscar given all the encumbrant problems since the start of the season ,but i cant help thinking that a less predictable line up and more attack minded set up would see more goals . Yes Saturday we had a very attack minded side ,but not all on the pitch at one time !. omho. UTA
Tug how many matches did we draw when Poyet was at the helm and we finished fourth in the table, and he had the services of players that Oscar has not had mostly due to injuries.

Look, Oscar was, 'given,' an assistant manager, Bloom knew there might be a bit of a language problem for a while and he knew that Oscar did not have enough knowledge of the english game and or market.
Bloom, when apointing Oscar, knew what he was getting but he still chose him for the job, I have ot think that Bloom was looking down the road when handing the reins to Oscar.
If Bloom was to put his hand on his heart when speaking to the fans, I am sure that a top ten finish was what he truly expected, yeah he spoke of a top six spot but what else would you expect him to say.
Oscar, just like so much at the club, is a work in progress, I am sure that he has the full backing of Bloom and that he will be given time to get to where he wants to be, the question is will he be given the resources to proceed, I think he will, I am just not sure when, maybe this summer maybe next.

I like Kaz, but I don't see value in having a player who can't get thru 90 minutes. I like Orlandi and Buckley, but where is the value in having two guys that just can't stay fit to play. I like Spanish Dave but he is too inconsistent. I like the flair of Bruno but so often he makes stupid errors. Greer has done well for us but he lacks pace and that can and has cost us this season. We need a shake up, and Oscar needs the resources to carry it out, maybe then the entertainment level will increase.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Would, could Oscar have guided us to a better place this season had not CMS and Hoskins not been out all season. Would things be different today had not Crofts missed half of this season. If Orlandi and Buckley had been able to stay fit, would they have made a difference. If Lua Lua could find the physical strength to play three or four 90 minute matches in a row, would that have helped. What if Conway decided that he would rather live on the south coast rather than choosing to stay up north, closer to his family, would Oscar not have had another option. How about if Bridcutt chose us over prem football, would he have made a difference, or if Barnes had picked up the contract that sat on the table for months. All of the above were out of Oscar's hands.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas ,it`s the things that are not out of Oscar`s hands that bother me the most ,i firmly believe that you always play your strongest team ,you should always try to play strikers in a striking role and wingers in a wingers role ,i hate seeing players played out of position ,unless injuries make that your only option of course . I know we are limited to player personel ,and i`m not one of those crying out for millions to be spent ,although i did think we might do a little more in January . But i do want us to at least use who we have got ,Stephens left on the bench for JFC at Blackburn ,Kaz never starting ,ok so he has trouble lasting the full 90 ,but if his impact was felt from the first whistle ,we would be leading more games by half time . I am as you say a detractor of Oscar ,but purely based on his defensive attitude ,as i said a few days ago in a post ,at one point we had 8 defensive players on the pitch at once ,although some will say JFC is not a DMF that is how he was described at the time of the substitution ,as if 7 would make it better !. I think the lads we have ,have done wonders ,as has Oscar given all the encumbrant problems since the start of the season ,but i cant help thinking that a less predictable line up and more attack minded set up would see more goals . Yes Saturday we had a very attack minded side ,but not all on the pitch at one time !. omho. UTA[/p][/quote]Tug how many matches did we draw when Poyet was at the helm and we finished fourth in the table, and he had the services of players that Oscar has not had mostly due to injuries. Look, Oscar was, 'given,' an assistant manager, Bloom knew there might be a bit of a language problem for a while and he knew that Oscar did not have enough knowledge of the english game and or market. Bloom, when apointing Oscar, knew what he was getting but he still chose him for the job, I have ot think that Bloom was looking down the road when handing the reins to Oscar. If Bloom was to put his hand on his heart when speaking to the fans, I am sure that a top ten finish was what he truly expected, yeah he spoke of a top six spot but what else would you expect him to say. Oscar, just like so much at the club, is a work in progress, I am sure that he has the full backing of Bloom and that he will be given time to get to where he wants to be, the question is will he be given the resources to proceed, I think he will, I am just not sure when, maybe this summer maybe next. I like Kaz, but I don't see value in having a player who can't get thru 90 minutes. I like Orlandi and Buckley, but where is the value in having two guys that just can't stay fit to play. I like Spanish Dave but he is too inconsistent. I like the flair of Bruno but so often he makes stupid errors. Greer has done well for us but he lacks pace and that can and has cost us this season. We need a shake up, and Oscar needs the resources to carry it out, maybe then the entertainment level will increase. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

3:57pm Mon 7 Apr 14

GosportGull says...

I think Oscar is quite nieve when it comes to the English game. Its a lot quicker than he expected and he does not know how to impliment the right tactics to deal with this. I also think that he struggles to get the players mentally prepared to start the game ..they never seem fired up .. We are lucky if they turn up (mentally speaking) .. It s a shame as we do have some talent but without the right mindset and tactical options you get negativity which is where we are left after Saturdays inept performance.

Also i think we have to look at the Captain. I rarely see Greer shouting at players , taking charge , firing them up ... all i see is an aging CB who is struggling with his own game and lacking the confidence and character to get the players going.. its all very dull and leaderless which with young players in the team is exactly what we dont need !

I think the board should look again at the manger end of the season, what he promised has not been delivered..Maybe they thought after Poyet they wanted a YES Man ... i wouldn't want to follow OG into battle , he doesn't get me going .. being a manager is getting the BEST from what you have ... Undoubtely he knows football and can coach ..BUT can he manage ? Im not sure ... not convinced ...

The Summer will be interesting , so im on the fence until then ... What i would like to see is as soon as the Play offs become out of our hands is OG to start planning for next season , get Hoskins in , get Monkana in and some of the other young lads .. give them game time , rest Ulloa , hes clearly not interested and with the lack of service , who can blame him ...
I think Oscar is quite nieve when it comes to the English game. Its a lot quicker than he expected and he does not know how to impliment the right tactics to deal with this. I also think that he struggles to get the players mentally prepared to start the game ..they never seem fired up .. We are lucky if they turn up (mentally speaking) .. It s a shame as we do have some talent but without the right mindset and tactical options you get negativity which is where we are left after Saturdays inept performance. Also i think we have to look at the Captain. I rarely see Greer shouting at players , taking charge , firing them up ... all i see is an aging CB who is struggling with his own game and lacking the confidence and character to get the players going.. its all very dull and leaderless which with young players in the team is exactly what we dont need ! I think the board should look again at the manger end of the season, what he promised has not been delivered..Maybe they thought after Poyet they wanted a YES Man ... i wouldn't want to follow OG into battle , he doesn't get me going .. being a manager is getting the BEST from what you have ... Undoubtely he knows football and can coach ..BUT can he manage ? Im not sure ... not convinced ... The Summer will be interesting , so im on the fence until then ... What i would like to see is as soon as the Play offs become out of our hands is OG to start planning for next season , get Hoskins in , get Monkana in and some of the other young lads .. give them game time , rest Ulloa , hes clearly not interested and with the lack of service , who can blame him ... GosportGull
  • Score: 1

4:00pm Mon 7 Apr 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

There seems to be a lot of squabbling and petulance being thrown around on this site today, along with some ridiculous posts. Maybe its just that monday feeling. Or maybe this season hasn't gone as well as some people think it should have done, but people seem to be taking it out on each other. If anything, we've been suffering the hangover effects of not going up last season plus the fall out of Gus's antics which has left a bad vibe around the club. This summer we need some exciting new players along with the return of injured ones like CMS and hopefully a positive vibe will return for next season.
There seems to be a lot of squabbling and petulance being thrown around on this site today, along with some ridiculous posts. Maybe its just that monday feeling. Or maybe this season hasn't gone as well as some people think it should have done, but people seem to be taking it out on each other. If anything, we've been suffering the hangover effects of not going up last season plus the fall out of Gus's antics which has left a bad vibe around the club. This summer we need some exciting new players along with the return of injured ones like CMS and hopefully a positive vibe will return for next season. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 7

4:03pm Mon 7 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
oscar must go wrote:
oscar must go wrote:
bha3072011 wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Taxi for Oscar! Malkay or Hughton for me!
Or Meulensteen
Add Steve Clarke to that list. Did a good job at WBA + has connections at both Liverpool and Chelsea.
Sherwood now as well.

So much talent out there so no better time to make a move.

When Oscar goes, as he inevitably will, there will be little sympathy on here for him and his assistant Jones.

People are quickly wising up to how hopeless Burke and Day are so change the infrastructure now to get things in place for 2014-15.
So you're saying Oscar must go and we need to get someone else in, but at the same time suggesting that it's Burke & Day who are hopeless?
So if you were to change the coach, Burke and Day are still there, but if you got rid of Burke and Day because they're the problem, why does OG have to suffer?
Doesn't make sense.
My idea is to completely restructure by removing both the Head of Football Operations, Burke, plus the Head of Scouting and Recruitment,Day, together with Garcia and Jones to bring in a proper manager and his own people who would have overall control. The present system does not work. No one knows who is responsible for what among the customers as Barber describes those of us who pay to go to watch.

Simple as that, which i believe does make sense. Hope that helps.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bha3072011[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Taxi for Oscar! Malkay or Hughton for me![/p][/quote]Or Meulensteen[/p][/quote]Add Steve Clarke to that list. Did a good job at WBA + has connections at both Liverpool and Chelsea.[/p][/quote]Sherwood now as well. So much talent out there so no better time to make a move. When Oscar goes, as he inevitably will, there will be little sympathy on here for him and his assistant Jones. People are quickly wising up to how hopeless Burke and Day are so change the infrastructure now to get things in place for 2014-15.[/p][/quote]So you're saying Oscar must go and we need to get someone else in, but at the same time suggesting that it's Burke & Day who are hopeless? So if you were to change the coach, Burke and Day are still there, but if you got rid of Burke and Day because they're the problem, why does OG have to suffer? Doesn't make sense.[/p][/quote]My idea is to completely restructure by removing both the Head of Football Operations, Burke, plus the Head of Scouting and Recruitment,Day, together with Garcia and Jones to bring in a proper manager and his own people who would have overall control. The present system does not work. No one knows who is responsible for what among the customers as Barber describes those of us who pay to go to watch. Simple as that, which i believe does make sense. Hope that helps. oscar must go
  • Score: -1

4:09pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Anthony 14 says...

Tommy11 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Just suppose we did replace Oscar and suppose a, 'name,' did come in as manager, do you Oscar detractors think that the transfer budget would change, or that players wages would sudenly go up, NO CHANCE. Brighton are working to a sound and reliable financial plan, we WILL be FFP compliant, we WILL NOT spend money that we can't afford to spend. We could appoint Sir Alex as manger tomorrow and he would have to work under the same financial contraints as those imposed on Oscar. If the money is there to spend for next season we might well see a clear out, Oscar will have the chance to improve the squad, if the money isn't there, then he will have to cut his cloth according to his means. Oscar as done wll with a squad that has been depleted all season, let's hope that the club will recognize what he has been able to do and give him what they can for next season. Some of the idiots on here we have us spend our way to oblivion just to satisfy thier needs for 90 minutes each week.
Totally Disagree.

We don't have to get a name, just someone with a bit of passion who can motivate players - and has more than 1 tactic up his sleave! its not about a name. Just someone who knows what they are doing.

And who do you think you are calling us idiots?I spent a fortune going to Barnsley. I can say what I want! I don't watch games on a Laptop with my pants round my ankles.
Don't worry about it Tommy 11 - Vegas Seagull is totally clueless. He is the first to comment on this site 2 seconds after the final whistle and is a very sad individual watching the game via internet stats. He should leave the comments to people who actually watch a game once in a while.

I was at Barnsley on Saturday too and you have the right to your opinion, which is a good summary of how the team is performing. Prats like Vegas Seagull just have no idea, its embarrassing!
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Just suppose we did replace Oscar and suppose a, 'name,' did come in as manager, do you Oscar detractors think that the transfer budget would change, or that players wages would sudenly go up, NO CHANCE. Brighton are working to a sound and reliable financial plan, we WILL be FFP compliant, we WILL NOT spend money that we can't afford to spend. We could appoint Sir Alex as manger tomorrow and he would have to work under the same financial contraints as those imposed on Oscar. If the money is there to spend for next season we might well see a clear out, Oscar will have the chance to improve the squad, if the money isn't there, then he will have to cut his cloth according to his means. Oscar as done wll with a squad that has been depleted all season, let's hope that the club will recognize what he has been able to do and give him what they can for next season. Some of the idiots on here we have us spend our way to oblivion just to satisfy thier needs for 90 minutes each week.[/p][/quote]Totally Disagree. We don't have to get a name, just someone with a bit of passion who can motivate players - and has more than 1 tactic up his sleave! its not about a name. Just someone who knows what they are doing. And who do you think you are calling us idiots?I spent a fortune going to Barnsley. I can say what I want! I don't watch games on a Laptop with my pants round my ankles.[/p][/quote]Don't worry about it Tommy 11 - Vegas Seagull is totally clueless. He is the first to comment on this site 2 seconds after the final whistle and is a very sad individual watching the game via internet stats. He should leave the comments to people who actually watch a game once in a while. I was at Barnsley on Saturday too and you have the right to your opinion, which is a good summary of how the team is performing. Prats like Vegas Seagull just have no idea, its embarrassing! Anthony 14
  • Score: 4

4:10pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

Neville wrote:
Vegas,
Ok I would release:

Brezovan,Ankergren,A

ndrews,Augustien,Lop

ez,Rodriguez,Hoskins



Sell Buckley and Ulloa
Try and re sign TK and then if he goas we can command a fee and sign Ward and try and keep Lingard .
Money from sales to be spent strengthening squad unless swallowed up by FFP.
Neville your suggestions as to who should go are not enough, not when considering all the comments re Oscar.
TK is going, he wants prem soccer, and yeah, the two keepers could both go. Andrews will go as he is on loan. Augustein and Lopez, yep, they can go. Rodriguez is only on a short term deal and will be gone anyway. Sell Buckley, yep based on his persistent injury issues. Sell Ulloa, sorry can't agree, let Hoskins go, maybe but that's just one more option lost to Oscar. Lingard, yeah love to keep him but as so many have said on here, no chance. Sign Ward, certainly.
So now what about Greer, Bruno and Upson, do you not think that we need to look at these three? Orlandi, do we keep him and if Spanish Dave is out along with an injured Orlandi, where is the midfield flair going to come from. You don't mention any of the young lads, what should we do with them, will they up the entertainment level.
How many players would you bring in, other than Ward and what budget do you think we need for tranfers.

Just a point on the FFP. selling a player does not reduce our FFP requirements other than removing his wages. The FFP is all about reducing the week on week operational costs so when selling a player, the fee we get pays for a replacement, the savings toward our FFP requirements only come from lower wage costs and increasing our off pitch revenues. I do accept that if we sell enough players then we would show a profit and that would help with the FFP, but every time we sell one we have to buy one and buy better, so we may not make much money from transfers, better players want better wages and cost more.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Vegas, Ok I would release: Brezovan,Ankergren,A ndrews,Augustien,Lop ez,Rodriguez,Hoskins Sell Buckley and Ulloa Try and re sign TK and then if he goas we can command a fee and sign Ward and try and keep Lingard . Money from sales to be spent strengthening squad unless swallowed up by FFP.[/p][/quote]Neville your suggestions as to who should go are not enough, not when considering all the comments re Oscar. TK is going, he wants prem soccer, and yeah, the two keepers could both go. Andrews will go as he is on loan. Augustein and Lopez, yep, they can go. Rodriguez is only on a short term deal and will be gone anyway. Sell Buckley, yep based on his persistent injury issues. Sell Ulloa, sorry can't agree, let Hoskins go, maybe but that's just one more option lost to Oscar. Lingard, yeah love to keep him but as so many have said on here, no chance. Sign Ward, certainly. So now what about Greer, Bruno and Upson, do you not think that we need to look at these three? Orlandi, do we keep him and if Spanish Dave is out along with an injured Orlandi, where is the midfield flair going to come from. You don't mention any of the young lads, what should we do with them, will they up the entertainment level. How many players would you bring in, other than Ward and what budget do you think we need for tranfers. Just a point on the FFP. selling a player does not reduce our FFP requirements other than removing his wages. The FFP is all about reducing the week on week operational costs so when selling a player, the fee we get pays for a replacement, the savings toward our FFP requirements only come from lower wage costs and increasing our off pitch revenues. I do accept that if we sell enough players then we would show a profit and that would help with the FFP, but every time we sell one we have to buy one and buy better, so we may not make much money from transfers, better players want better wages and cost more. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

4:22pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

Anthony 14 wrote:
Tommy11 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Just suppose we did replace Oscar and suppose a, 'name,' did come in as manager, do you Oscar detractors think that the transfer budget would change, or that players wages would sudenly go up, NO CHANCE. Brighton are working to a sound and reliable financial plan, we WILL be FFP compliant, we WILL NOT spend money that we can't afford to spend. We could appoint Sir Alex as manger tomorrow and he would have to work under the same financial contraints as those imposed on Oscar. If the money is there to spend for next season we might well see a clear out, Oscar will have the chance to improve the squad, if the money isn't there, then he will have to cut his cloth according to his means. Oscar as done wll with a squad that has been depleted all season, let's hope that the club will recognize what he has been able to do and give him what they can for next season. Some of the idiots on here we have us spend our way to oblivion just to satisfy thier needs for 90 minutes each week.
Totally Disagree.

We don't have to get a name, just someone with a bit of passion who can motivate players - and has more than 1 tactic up his sleave! its not about a name. Just someone who knows what they are doing.

And who do you think you are calling us idiots?I spent a fortune going to Barnsley. I can say what I want! I don't watch games on a Laptop with my pants round my ankles.
Don't worry about it Tommy 11 - Vegas Seagull is totally clueless. He is the first to comment on this site 2 seconds after the final whistle and is a very sad individual watching the game via internet stats. He should leave the comments to people who actually watch a game once in a while.

I was at Barnsley on Saturday too and you have the right to your opinion, which is a good summary of how the team is performing. Prats like Vegas Seagull just have no idea, its embarrassing!
Ok so now you two super brains tell me, what budget should be made available for transfers next season. Which players should we let go, no need to name loanees, they go any way. Who should we sign. The two of you get to see home and away matches so there is no reason for you not to be able to answer my questions. Just as I asked Neville to do, and he did to a certain extent, name our players both in and out.
[quote][p][bold]Anthony 14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Just suppose we did replace Oscar and suppose a, 'name,' did come in as manager, do you Oscar detractors think that the transfer budget would change, or that players wages would sudenly go up, NO CHANCE. Brighton are working to a sound and reliable financial plan, we WILL be FFP compliant, we WILL NOT spend money that we can't afford to spend. We could appoint Sir Alex as manger tomorrow and he would have to work under the same financial contraints as those imposed on Oscar. If the money is there to spend for next season we might well see a clear out, Oscar will have the chance to improve the squad, if the money isn't there, then he will have to cut his cloth according to his means. Oscar as done wll with a squad that has been depleted all season, let's hope that the club will recognize what he has been able to do and give him what they can for next season. Some of the idiots on here we have us spend our way to oblivion just to satisfy thier needs for 90 minutes each week.[/p][/quote]Totally Disagree. We don't have to get a name, just someone with a bit of passion who can motivate players - and has more than 1 tactic up his sleave! its not about a name. Just someone who knows what they are doing. And who do you think you are calling us idiots?I spent a fortune going to Barnsley. I can say what I want! I don't watch games on a Laptop with my pants round my ankles.[/p][/quote]Don't worry about it Tommy 11 - Vegas Seagull is totally clueless. He is the first to comment on this site 2 seconds after the final whistle and is a very sad individual watching the game via internet stats. He should leave the comments to people who actually watch a game once in a while. I was at Barnsley on Saturday too and you have the right to your opinion, which is a good summary of how the team is performing. Prats like Vegas Seagull just have no idea, its embarrassing![/p][/quote]Ok so now you two super brains tell me, what budget should be made available for transfers next season. Which players should we let go, no need to name loanees, they go any way. Who should we sign. The two of you get to see home and away matches so there is no reason for you not to be able to answer my questions. Just as I asked Neville to do, and he did to a certain extent, name our players both in and out. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -5

4:26pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Neville says...

Vegas
Obviously I would keep faith with the youngsters,they have all done well.
For me MU has been the most consistent performer and for a fact does extra training each week,def worth another season.Bruno I would keep for bench and GG days are numbered,it's a great pity we didn't get the Dutch player for 2m,he is with Celtic and now valued at 12m.
All teams need a balance of experience coupled with youth.
Vegas Obviously I would keep faith with the youngsters,they have all done well. For me MU has been the most consistent performer and for a fact does extra training each week,def worth another season.Bruno I would keep for bench and GG days are numbered,it's a great pity we didn't get the Dutch player for 2m,he is with Celtic and now valued at 12m. All teams need a balance of experience coupled with youth. Neville
  • Score: 4

4:26pm Mon 7 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Vegas,
Ok I would release:

Brezovan,Ankergren,A


ndrews,Augustien,Lop


ez,Rodriguez,Hoskins




Sell Buckley and Ulloa
Try and re sign TK and then if he goas we can command a fee and sign Ward and try and keep Lingard .
Money from sales to be spent strengthening squad unless swallowed up by FFP.
Neville your suggestions as to who should go are not enough, not when considering all the comments re Oscar.
TK is going, he wants prem soccer, and yeah, the two keepers could both go. Andrews will go as he is on loan. Augustein and Lopez, yep, they can go. Rodriguez is only on a short term deal and will be gone anyway. Sell Buckley, yep based on his persistent injury issues. Sell Ulloa, sorry can't agree, let Hoskins go, maybe but that's just one more option lost to Oscar. Lingard, yeah love to keep him but as so many have said on here, no chance. Sign Ward, certainly.
So now what about Greer, Bruno and Upson, do you not think that we need to look at these three? Orlandi, do we keep him and if Spanish Dave is out along with an injured Orlandi, where is the midfield flair going to come from. You don't mention any of the young lads, what should we do with them, will they up the entertainment level.
How many players would you bring in, other than Ward and what budget do you think we need for tranfers.

Just a point on the FFP. selling a player does not reduce our FFP requirements other than removing his wages. The FFP is all about reducing the week on week operational costs so when selling a player, the fee we get pays for a replacement, the savings toward our FFP requirements only come from lower wage costs and increasing our off pitch revenues. I do accept that if we sell enough players then we would show a profit and that would help with the FFP, but every time we sell one we have to buy one and buy better, so we may not make much money from transfers, better players want better wages and cost more.
" Sell enough players" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take out Buckley and Ulloh then tell the whole world which others would command any sort of a worthwhile fee apart from Ince?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Vegas, Ok I would release: Brezovan,Ankergren,A ndrews,Augustien,Lop ez,Rodriguez,Hoskins Sell Buckley and Ulloa Try and re sign TK and then if he goas we can command a fee and sign Ward and try and keep Lingard . Money from sales to be spent strengthening squad unless swallowed up by FFP.[/p][/quote]Neville your suggestions as to who should go are not enough, not when considering all the comments re Oscar. TK is going, he wants prem soccer, and yeah, the two keepers could both go. Andrews will go as he is on loan. Augustein and Lopez, yep, they can go. Rodriguez is only on a short term deal and will be gone anyway. Sell Buckley, yep based on his persistent injury issues. Sell Ulloa, sorry can't agree, let Hoskins go, maybe but that's just one more option lost to Oscar. Lingard, yeah love to keep him but as so many have said on here, no chance. Sign Ward, certainly. So now what about Greer, Bruno and Upson, do you not think that we need to look at these three? Orlandi, do we keep him and if Spanish Dave is out along with an injured Orlandi, where is the midfield flair going to come from. You don't mention any of the young lads, what should we do with them, will they up the entertainment level. How many players would you bring in, other than Ward and what budget do you think we need for tranfers. Just a point on the FFP. selling a player does not reduce our FFP requirements other than removing his wages. The FFP is all about reducing the week on week operational costs so when selling a player, the fee we get pays for a replacement, the savings toward our FFP requirements only come from lower wage costs and increasing our off pitch revenues. I do accept that if we sell enough players then we would show a profit and that would help with the FFP, but every time we sell one we have to buy one and buy better, so we may not make much money from transfers, better players want better wages and cost more.[/p][/quote]" Sell enough players" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take out Buckley and Ulloh then tell the whole world which others would command any sort of a worthwhile fee apart from Ince? oscar must go
  • Score: -3

4:29pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

Bosch, do you reallly think that I use two identities, really? I will say what I want to say and accept the fall out if it comes, I always have. I noticed that you did describe one of my more recent posts as 'Good,' it was the one where I listed 12 players that I would like to see gone.
It seems that if I write anything that appears a tad negative toward the squad you like it, but if I disagree with you, well then I don't know what I am talking about.
Bosch, do you reallly think that I use two identities, really? I will say what I want to say and accept the fall out if it comes, I always have. I noticed that you did describe one of my more recent posts as 'Good,' it was the one where I listed 12 players that I would like to see gone. It seems that if I write anything that appears a tad negative toward the squad you like it, but if I disagree with you, well then I don't know what I am talking about. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

4:29pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Albion In Staffs says...

oscar must go wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
oscar must go wrote:
oscar must go wrote:
bha3072011 wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Taxi for Oscar! Malkay or Hughton for me!
Or Meulensteen
Add Steve Clarke to that list. Did a good job at WBA + has connections at both Liverpool and Chelsea.
Sherwood now as well.

So much talent out there so no better time to make a move.

When Oscar goes, as he inevitably will, there will be little sympathy on here for him and his assistant Jones.

People are quickly wising up to how hopeless Burke and Day are so change the infrastructure now to get things in place for 2014-15.
So you're saying Oscar must go and we need to get someone else in, but at the same time suggesting that it's Burke & Day who are hopeless?
So if you were to change the coach, Burke and Day are still there, but if you got rid of Burke and Day because they're the problem, why does OG have to suffer?
Doesn't make sense.
My idea is to completely restructure by removing both the Head of Football Operations, Burke, plus the Head of Scouting and Recruitment,Day, together with Garcia and Jones to bring in a proper manager and his own people who would have overall control. The present system does not work. No one knows who is responsible for what among the customers as Barber describes those of us who pay to go to watch.

Simple as that, which i believe does make sense. Hope that helps.
Yes, it does help, but only in identifying that selective memory is at play here. The responsibilities HAVE been explained and just because you don't like the set up, you can't simply say you don't know what they are and that it does not work.
Since the four you refer to were put together, we've only had a January transfer window to utilise and that is not when you do your structural work and because of last summer's upheaval, we've had to make do and mend throughout this season. OG has not yet had a full summer to evaluate the squad and this will be his first. That's when the set up can be scrutinised. Anyway, the system you'd like to adopt won't happen because it's the structure the Chairman wants.
.....And it's his train set.
[quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bha3072011[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Taxi for Oscar! Malkay or Hughton for me![/p][/quote]Or Meulensteen[/p][/quote]Add Steve Clarke to that list. Did a good job at WBA + has connections at both Liverpool and Chelsea.[/p][/quote]Sherwood now as well. So much talent out there so no better time to make a move. When Oscar goes, as he inevitably will, there will be little sympathy on here for him and his assistant Jones. People are quickly wising up to how hopeless Burke and Day are so change the infrastructure now to get things in place for 2014-15.[/p][/quote]So you're saying Oscar must go and we need to get someone else in, but at the same time suggesting that it's Burke & Day who are hopeless? So if you were to change the coach, Burke and Day are still there, but if you got rid of Burke and Day because they're the problem, why does OG have to suffer? Doesn't make sense.[/p][/quote]My idea is to completely restructure by removing both the Head of Football Operations, Burke, plus the Head of Scouting and Recruitment,Day, together with Garcia and Jones to bring in a proper manager and his own people who would have overall control. The present system does not work. No one knows who is responsible for what among the customers as Barber describes those of us who pay to go to watch. Simple as that, which i believe does make sense. Hope that helps.[/p][/quote]Yes, it does help, but only in identifying that selective memory is at play here. The responsibilities HAVE been explained and just because you don't like the set up, you can't simply say you don't know what they are and that it does not work. Since the four you refer to were put together, we've only had a January transfer window to utilise and that is not when you do your structural work and because of last summer's upheaval, we've had to make do and mend throughout this season. OG has not yet had a full summer to evaluate the squad and this will be his first. That's when the set up can be scrutinised. Anyway, the system you'd like to adopt won't happen because it's the structure the Chairman wants. .....And it's his train set. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

4:35pm Mon 7 Apr 14

pte says...

The negative approach of OG might just get us a surprise win against Leicester and then who knows. Leicester, attack, attack, attack, us defend and score on a counter. I fancy a result
The negative approach of OG might just get us a surprise win against Leicester and then who knows. Leicester, attack, attack, attack, us defend and score on a counter. I fancy a result pte
  • Score: 2

4:48pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

I have been in full defensive mode today re Oscar, and the reason for that is due to so many attacks that just don't make sense to me.

Oscar shouldn't have his job because he is not animated enough on the touch line, really?
Oscar should go because he has not brought in the right players, we have only signed one on a proper contract, Stephens.
Oscar should play with two strikers, until saturday saw CMS take the bench we only had one, Ulloa, Rodriguez is short term cover.
Oscar should give TK a new contract, the Pole in the goal wants prem football, he has said so and his agent is working on it.
Oscar should not have sold Branes, Barnes didn't take the contract we offered him.
Oscar should have signed Conway, the lad wanted to stay up north.
Oscar shouldn't be concerned with complying with the FFP, he should have signed new players in january, he has no say in the matter.
Oscar fails to bring out the best in players, look what he has done for the young lads, has he not brought out the best in them.

If some think that Oscar should go then so be it, but name his replacement, name the players that should go with him and name who should replace them, and offer up a figure as a suitable budget.
I have been in full defensive mode today re Oscar, and the reason for that is due to so many attacks that just don't make sense to me. Oscar shouldn't have his job because he is not animated enough on the touch line, really? Oscar should go because he has not brought in the right players, we have only signed one on a proper contract, Stephens. Oscar should play with two strikers, until saturday saw CMS take the bench we only had one, Ulloa, Rodriguez is short term cover. Oscar should give TK a new contract, the Pole in the goal wants prem football, he has said so and his agent is working on it. Oscar should not have sold Branes, Barnes didn't take the contract we offered him. Oscar should have signed Conway, the lad wanted to stay up north. Oscar shouldn't be concerned with complying with the FFP, he should have signed new players in january, he has no say in the matter. Oscar fails to bring out the best in players, look what he has done for the young lads, has he not brought out the best in them. If some think that Oscar should go then so be it, but name his replacement, name the players that should go with him and name who should replace them, and offer up a figure as a suitable budget. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

4:52pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Neville says...

Vegas
I understand the playing budget for 2012/13 was about 8m and we were informed that this had been slightly increased for 2013/14 but as far as I can fathom no where near this money has been spent,in fact with the players who have left and those sold and bought the club have banked most of the money.
1m plus was bid for Grabban and that money is still in the till.
Vegas I understand the playing budget for 2012/13 was about 8m and we were informed that this had been slightly increased for 2013/14 but as far as I can fathom no where near this money has been spent,in fact with the players who have left and those sold and bought the club have banked most of the money. 1m plus was bid for Grabban and that money is still in the till. Neville
  • Score: 5

4:59pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

Neville wrote:
Vegas
I understand the playing budget for 2012/13 was about 8m and we were informed that this had been slightly increased for 2013/14 but as far as I can fathom no where near this money has been spent,in fact with the players who have left and those sold and bought the club have banked most of the money.
1m plus was bid for Grabban and that money is still in the till.
You are right in what you say, and the fact that you are right begs the questions, when was the decision made not to spend, who made it and why because it seems to me that this decision was made. Oscar might be getting the flak for results of the decison, but I fail to see how he could or would have made it.
It almost seems that at some point his season a decision was made to go into consolidation mode rather than push on.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Vegas I understand the playing budget for 2012/13 was about 8m and we were informed that this had been slightly increased for 2013/14 but as far as I can fathom no where near this money has been spent,in fact with the players who have left and those sold and bought the club have banked most of the money. 1m plus was bid for Grabban and that money is still in the till.[/p][/quote]You are right in what you say, and the fact that you are right begs the questions, when was the decision made not to spend, who made it and why because it seems to me that this decision was made. Oscar might be getting the flak for results of the decison, but I fail to see how he could or would have made it. It almost seems that at some point his season a decision was made to go into consolidation mode rather than push on. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

5:02pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Neville says...

Decision made by PB and approved by TB
Decision made by PB and approved by TB Neville
  • Score: 0

5:04pm Mon 7 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

It has been known in football that many Chairmen change direction so don't rule it out. We can but hope that what is happening now is acted upon.

In the matchday programme on 5th October ( if you have one) there is an article about Burke's department of 24 people including Day as Head of Scouting and Recruitment. By the next home game on 28th October Lita had been added so there must have been some activity with Day's involvement before January as you suggest .Lita actually left in January when efforts were made to sign Grabban to no avail. He was described as wanting to be a big fish at Bournemouth. Well good luck to him with his 20 goals including some on target penalties unlike Ulloh!!! Obika arrived in January and even the most blinkered Brighton fan could not call that move a success. Lingard is yet to score so either he is no good, the system is wrong or he is playing in the wrong position.

Burke and Day have had plenty of time to have made a meaningful contribution which they have not done. Streamlining this top heavy department must reduce the budget.

I repeat, it's time for wholesale changes both on and off the pitch. Do it now.
It has been known in football that many Chairmen change direction so don't rule it out. We can but hope that what is happening now is acted upon. In the matchday programme on 5th October ( if you have one) there is an article about Burke's department of 24 people including Day as Head of Scouting and Recruitment. By the next home game on 28th October Lita had been added so there must have been some activity with Day's involvement before January as you suggest .Lita actually left in January when efforts were made to sign Grabban to no avail. He was described as wanting to be a big fish at Bournemouth. Well good luck to him with his 20 goals including some on target penalties unlike Ulloh!!! Obika arrived in January and even the most blinkered Brighton fan could not call that move a success. Lingard is yet to score so either he is no good, the system is wrong or he is playing in the wrong position. Burke and Day have had plenty of time to have made a meaningful contribution which they have not done. Streamlining this top heavy department must reduce the budget. I repeat, it's time for wholesale changes both on and off the pitch. Do it now. oscar must go
  • Score: 0

5:08pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

Neville wrote:
Decision made by PB and approved by TB
You may be right but the when and why would still be out there. It might turn out to be a good one if more money is made available for next year than otherwise would have been. If the decision was made, it might have something to do with the two new deals, shirt and naming rights, perhaps it's all about being FFP compliant and having a big budget for Oscar to rebuild with.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Decision made by PB and approved by TB[/p][/quote]You may be right but the when and why would still be out there. It might turn out to be a good one if more money is made available for next year than otherwise would have been. If the decision was made, it might have something to do with the two new deals, shirt and naming rights, perhaps it's all about being FFP compliant and having a big budget for Oscar to rebuild with. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

5:12pm Mon 7 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

oscar must go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Vegas,
Ok I would release:

Brezovan,Ankergren,A



ndrews,Augustien,Lop



ez,Rodriguez,Hoskins





Sell Buckley and Ulloa
Try and re sign TK and then if he goas we can command a fee and sign Ward and try and keep Lingard .
Money from sales to be spent strengthening squad unless swallowed up by FFP.
Neville your suggestions as to who should go are not enough, not when considering all the comments re Oscar.
TK is going, he wants prem soccer, and yeah, the two keepers could both go. Andrews will go as he is on loan. Augustein and Lopez, yep, they can go. Rodriguez is only on a short term deal and will be gone anyway. Sell Buckley, yep based on his persistent injury issues. Sell Ulloa, sorry can't agree, let Hoskins go, maybe but that's just one more option lost to Oscar. Lingard, yeah love to keep him but as so many have said on here, no chance. Sign Ward, certainly.
So now what about Greer, Bruno and Upson, do you not think that we need to look at these three? Orlandi, do we keep him and if Spanish Dave is out along with an injured Orlandi, where is the midfield flair going to come from. You don't mention any of the young lads, what should we do with them, will they up the entertainment level.
How many players would you bring in, other than Ward and what budget do you think we need for tranfers.

Just a point on the FFP. selling a player does not reduce our FFP requirements other than removing his wages. The FFP is all about reducing the week on week operational costs so when selling a player, the fee we get pays for a replacement, the savings toward our FFP requirements only come from lower wage costs and increasing our off pitch revenues. I do accept that if we sell enough players then we would show a profit and that would help with the FFP, but every time we sell one we have to buy one and buy better, so we may not make much money from transfers, better players want better wages and cost more.
" Sell enough players" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take out Buckley and Ulloh then tell the whole world which others would command any sort of a worthwhile fee apart from Ince?
3 posts from Vegas since this question but no reply to this specific question.

Take that as no player in his opinion on the staff who will not be kept has a value.
[quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Vegas, Ok I would release: Brezovan,Ankergren,A ndrews,Augustien,Lop ez,Rodriguez,Hoskins Sell Buckley and Ulloa Try and re sign TK and then if he goas we can command a fee and sign Ward and try and keep Lingard . Money from sales to be spent strengthening squad unless swallowed up by FFP.[/p][/quote]Neville your suggestions as to who should go are not enough, not when considering all the comments re Oscar. TK is going, he wants prem soccer, and yeah, the two keepers could both go. Andrews will go as he is on loan. Augustein and Lopez, yep, they can go. Rodriguez is only on a short term deal and will be gone anyway. Sell Buckley, yep based on his persistent injury issues. Sell Ulloa, sorry can't agree, let Hoskins go, maybe but that's just one more option lost to Oscar. Lingard, yeah love to keep him but as so many have said on here, no chance. Sign Ward, certainly. So now what about Greer, Bruno and Upson, do you not think that we need to look at these three? Orlandi, do we keep him and if Spanish Dave is out along with an injured Orlandi, where is the midfield flair going to come from. You don't mention any of the young lads, what should we do with them, will they up the entertainment level. How many players would you bring in, other than Ward and what budget do you think we need for tranfers. Just a point on the FFP. selling a player does not reduce our FFP requirements other than removing his wages. The FFP is all about reducing the week on week operational costs so when selling a player, the fee we get pays for a replacement, the savings toward our FFP requirements only come from lower wage costs and increasing our off pitch revenues. I do accept that if we sell enough players then we would show a profit and that would help with the FFP, but every time we sell one we have to buy one and buy better, so we may not make much money from transfers, better players want better wages and cost more.[/p][/quote]" Sell enough players" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take out Buckley and Ulloh then tell the whole world which others would command any sort of a worthwhile fee apart from Ince?[/p][/quote]3 posts from Vegas since this question but no reply to this specific question. Take that as no player in his opinion on the staff who will not be kept has a value. oscar must go
  • Score: -3

5:16pm Mon 7 Apr 14

brighton1980 says...

The Bosch wrote:
Anthony 14 wrote:
Tommy11 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Just suppose we did replace Oscar and suppose a, 'name,' did come in as manager, do you Oscar detractors think that the transfer budget would change, or that players wages would sudenly go up, NO CHANCE. Brighton are working to a sound and reliable financial plan, we WILL be FFP compliant, we WILL NOT spend money that we can't afford to spend. We could appoint Sir Alex as manger tomorrow and he would have to work under the same financial contraints as those imposed on Oscar. If the money is there to spend for next season we might well see a clear out, Oscar will have the chance to improve the squad, if the money isn't there, then he will have to cut his cloth according to his means. Oscar as done wll with a squad that has been depleted all season, let's hope that the club will recognize what he has been able to do and give him what they can for next season. Some of the idiots on here we have us spend our way to oblivion just to satisfy thier needs for 90 minutes each week.
Totally Disagree.

We don't have to get a name, just someone with a bit of passion who can motivate players - and has more than 1 tactic up his sleave! its not about a name. Just someone who knows what they are doing.

And who do you think you are calling us idiots?I spent a fortune going to Barnsley. I can say what I want! I don't watch games on a Laptop with my pants round my ankles.
Don't worry about it Tommy 11 - Vegas Seagull is totally clueless. He is the first to comment on this site 2 seconds after the final whistle and is a very sad individual watching the game via internet stats. He should leave the comments to people who actually watch a game once in a while.

I was at Barnsley on Saturday too and you have the right to your opinion, which is a good summary of how the team is performing. Prats like Vegas Seagull just have no idea, its embarrassing!
Outstanding post my friend.You will find Vegas & Ex-pat or the once Old Scrote of the Amex took over this site full time just over a year ago.There is a very big chance they are both the same person will their long posts & always full of themselfs.Like you point out its clear from their post times they never even go to games.I was also there Sat and it was pure dire rubbish yet again.Yes the fans did turn on the team & OG but only after the game.He should watch MOTD and see the managers with some real passion just like the Everton manager last night.Him and NJ just stand there with a face on.
You could probably tell Vegas doesn't go to the games without looking at his post times. He lives in Vegas genius.
[quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anthony 14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Just suppose we did replace Oscar and suppose a, 'name,' did come in as manager, do you Oscar detractors think that the transfer budget would change, or that players wages would sudenly go up, NO CHANCE. Brighton are working to a sound and reliable financial plan, we WILL be FFP compliant, we WILL NOT spend money that we can't afford to spend. We could appoint Sir Alex as manger tomorrow and he would have to work under the same financial contraints as those imposed on Oscar. If the money is there to spend for next season we might well see a clear out, Oscar will have the chance to improve the squad, if the money isn't there, then he will have to cut his cloth according to his means. Oscar as done wll with a squad that has been depleted all season, let's hope that the club will recognize what he has been able to do and give him what they can for next season. Some of the idiots on here we have us spend our way to oblivion just to satisfy thier needs for 90 minutes each week.[/p][/quote]Totally Disagree. We don't have to get a name, just someone with a bit of passion who can motivate players - and has more than 1 tactic up his sleave! its not about a name. Just someone who knows what they are doing. And who do you think you are calling us idiots?I spent a fortune going to Barnsley. I can say what I want! I don't watch games on a Laptop with my pants round my ankles.[/p][/quote]Don't worry about it Tommy 11 - Vegas Seagull is totally clueless. He is the first to comment on this site 2 seconds after the final whistle and is a very sad individual watching the game via internet stats. He should leave the comments to people who actually watch a game once in a while. I was at Barnsley on Saturday too and you have the right to your opinion, which is a good summary of how the team is performing. Prats like Vegas Seagull just have no idea, its embarrassing![/p][/quote]Outstanding post my friend.You will find Vegas & Ex-pat or the once Old Scrote of the Amex took over this site full time just over a year ago.There is a very big chance they are both the same person will their long posts & always full of themselfs.Like you point out its clear from their post times they never even go to games.I was also there Sat and it was pure dire rubbish yet again.Yes the fans did turn on the team & OG but only after the game.He should watch MOTD and see the managers with some real passion just like the Everton manager last night.Him and NJ just stand there with a face on.[/p][/quote]You could probably tell Vegas doesn't go to the games without looking at his post times. He lives in Vegas genius. brighton1980
  • Score: 5

5:25pm Mon 7 Apr 14

tug509 says...

oscar must go wrote:
It has been known in football that many Chairmen change direction so don't rule it out. We can but hope that what is happening now is acted upon.

In the matchday programme on 5th October ( if you have one) there is an article about Burke's department of 24 people including Day as Head of Scouting and Recruitment. By the next home game on 28th October Lita had been added so there must have been some activity with Day's involvement before January as you suggest .Lita actually left in January when efforts were made to sign Grabban to no avail. He was described as wanting to be a big fish at Bournemouth. Well good luck to him with his 20 goals including some on target penalties unlike Ulloh!!! Obika arrived in January and even the most blinkered Brighton fan could not call that move a success. Lingard is yet to score so either he is no good, the system is wrong or he is playing in the wrong position.

Burke and Day have had plenty of time to have made a meaningful contribution which they have not done. Streamlining this top heavy department must reduce the budget.

I repeat, it's time for wholesale changes both on and off the pitch. Do it now.
Some may not like it ,but you make good points ,it`s hard to argue with facts .
[quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: It has been known in football that many Chairmen change direction so don't rule it out. We can but hope that what is happening now is acted upon. In the matchday programme on 5th October ( if you have one) there is an article about Burke's department of 24 people including Day as Head of Scouting and Recruitment. By the next home game on 28th October Lita had been added so there must have been some activity with Day's involvement before January as you suggest .Lita actually left in January when efforts were made to sign Grabban to no avail. He was described as wanting to be a big fish at Bournemouth. Well good luck to him with his 20 goals including some on target penalties unlike Ulloh!!! Obika arrived in January and even the most blinkered Brighton fan could not call that move a success. Lingard is yet to score so either he is no good, the system is wrong or he is playing in the wrong position. Burke and Day have had plenty of time to have made a meaningful contribution which they have not done. Streamlining this top heavy department must reduce the budget. I repeat, it's time for wholesale changes both on and off the pitch. Do it now.[/p][/quote]Some may not like it ,but you make good points ,it`s hard to argue with facts . tug509
  • Score: -3

5:30pm Mon 7 Apr 14

pte says...

Neville wrote:
Decision made by PB and approved by TB
with respect Nev this is a ridiculous statement. So Paul Barber makes all the major financial decisions and Tony goes along with it!! I can't stop laughing. It's the other way round. Tony decides how much he wants to stump up and Paul goes along with it. Tony owns the club- think about it.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Decision made by PB and approved by TB[/p][/quote]with respect Nev this is a ridiculous statement. So Paul Barber makes all the major financial decisions and Tony goes along with it!! I can't stop laughing. It's the other way round. Tony decides how much he wants to stump up and Paul goes along with it. Tony owns the club- think about it. pte
  • Score: 1

5:31pm Mon 7 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

tug509 wrote:
oscar must go wrote:
It has been known in football that many Chairmen change direction so don't rule it out. We can but hope that what is happening now is acted upon.

In the matchday programme on 5th October ( if you have one) there is an article about Burke's department of 24 people including Day as Head of Scouting and Recruitment. By the next home game on 28th October Lita had been added so there must have been some activity with Day's involvement before January as you suggest .Lita actually left in January when efforts were made to sign Grabban to no avail. He was described as wanting to be a big fish at Bournemouth. Well good luck to him with his 20 goals including some on target penalties unlike Ulloh!!! Obika arrived in January and even the most blinkered Brighton fan could not call that move a success. Lingard is yet to score so either he is no good, the system is wrong or he is playing in the wrong position.

Burke and Day have had plenty of time to have made a meaningful contribution which they have not done. Streamlining this top heavy department must reduce the budget.

I repeat, it's time for wholesale changes both on and off the pitch. Do it now.
Some may not like it ,but you make good points ,it`s hard to argue with facts .
Thank you, Tug.

I'm not trying to be popular as i just want the best for the Football Club i have followed for 50+ years.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: It has been known in football that many Chairmen change direction so don't rule it out. We can but hope that what is happening now is acted upon. In the matchday programme on 5th October ( if you have one) there is an article about Burke's department of 24 people including Day as Head of Scouting and Recruitment. By the next home game on 28th October Lita had been added so there must have been some activity with Day's involvement before January as you suggest .Lita actually left in January when efforts were made to sign Grabban to no avail. He was described as wanting to be a big fish at Bournemouth. Well good luck to him with his 20 goals including some on target penalties unlike Ulloh!!! Obika arrived in January and even the most blinkered Brighton fan could not call that move a success. Lingard is yet to score so either he is no good, the system is wrong or he is playing in the wrong position. Burke and Day have had plenty of time to have made a meaningful contribution which they have not done. Streamlining this top heavy department must reduce the budget. I repeat, it's time for wholesale changes both on and off the pitch. Do it now.[/p][/quote]Some may not like it ,but you make good points ,it`s hard to argue with facts .[/p][/quote]Thank you, Tug. I'm not trying to be popular as i just want the best for the Football Club i have followed for 50+ years. oscar must go
  • Score: 0

5:39pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Conelli98 says...

Lets see how many are pro Oscar after a drubbing tomorrow night. My prediction 4-0 Leicester. Ive been season tkt holder for most of my 47 year and always will, ive done ten away games this season so im entitled to my opinion. What the club do need to do is get rid of Burke and Jones. Jones should not be telling Burke who we should sign. Let OG MANAGE the club or get a manager with backbone enough to demand it!
Lets see how many are pro Oscar after a drubbing tomorrow night. My prediction 4-0 Leicester. Ive been season tkt holder for most of my 47 year and always will, ive done ten away games this season so im entitled to my opinion. What the club do need to do is get rid of Burke and Jones. Jones should not be telling Burke who we should sign. Let OG MANAGE the club or get a manager with backbone enough to demand it! Conelli98
  • Score: 0

6:05pm Mon 7 Apr 14

twica12 says...

He should go talk about attacking lineups the only time this season that we have had an attacking lineup was on Saturday when he knew that the game was up if he didn't win. Attacking players on the bench what is the point of that get them on from the start. Poor old LUa Lua I reckon he will be off in the Summer I would be
He has cooked his own goose by being negative And the signings apart from Ward all rubbish and the loan signings don't get a gem who scouts these players because he deserves the sack as well. I thought Gus twas negative bu this bloke oh dear
He should go talk about attacking lineups the only time this season that we have had an attacking lineup was on Saturday when he knew that the game was up if he didn't win. Attacking players on the bench what is the point of that get them on from the start. Poor old LUa Lua I reckon he will be off in the Summer I would be He has cooked his own goose by being negative And the signings apart from Ward all rubbish and the loan signings don't get a gem who scouts these players because he deserves the sack as well. I thought Gus twas negative bu this bloke oh dear twica12
  • Score: -3

6:15pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

oscar must go wrote:
oscar must go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Vegas,
Ok I would release:

Brezovan,Ankergren,A




ndrews,Augustien,Lop




ez,Rodriguez,Hoskins






Sell Buckley and Ulloa
Try and re sign TK and then if he goas we can command a fee and sign Ward and try and keep Lingard .
Money from sales to be spent strengthening squad unless swallowed up by FFP.
Neville your suggestions as to who should go are not enough, not when considering all the comments re Oscar.
TK is going, he wants prem soccer, and yeah, the two keepers could both go. Andrews will go as he is on loan. Augustein and Lopez, yep, they can go. Rodriguez is only on a short term deal and will be gone anyway. Sell Buckley, yep based on his persistent injury issues. Sell Ulloa, sorry can't agree, let Hoskins go, maybe but that's just one more option lost to Oscar. Lingard, yeah love to keep him but as so many have said on here, no chance. Sign Ward, certainly.
So now what about Greer, Bruno and Upson, do you not think that we need to look at these three? Orlandi, do we keep him and if Spanish Dave is out along with an injured Orlandi, where is the midfield flair going to come from. You don't mention any of the young lads, what should we do with them, will they up the entertainment level.
How many players would you bring in, other than Ward and what budget do you think we need for tranfers.

Just a point on the FFP. selling a player does not reduce our FFP requirements other than removing his wages. The FFP is all about reducing the week on week operational costs so when selling a player, the fee we get pays for a replacement, the savings toward our FFP requirements only come from lower wage costs and increasing our off pitch revenues. I do accept that if we sell enough players then we would show a profit and that would help with the FFP, but every time we sell one we have to buy one and buy better, so we may not make much money from transfers, better players want better wages and cost more.
" Sell enough players" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take out Buckley and Ulloh then tell the whole world which others would command any sort of a worthwhile fee apart from Ince?
3 posts from Vegas since this question but no reply to this specific question.

Take that as no player in his opinion on the staff who will not be kept has a value.
sorry for not replying, I didn't realise that the question was for me as I didn't make the suggestion that the two guys should go, I would let Buckley go, but not Ulloa.
[quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Vegas, Ok I would release: Brezovan,Ankergren,A ndrews,Augustien,Lop ez,Rodriguez,Hoskins Sell Buckley and Ulloa Try and re sign TK and then if he goas we can command a fee and sign Ward and try and keep Lingard . Money from sales to be spent strengthening squad unless swallowed up by FFP.[/p][/quote]Neville your suggestions as to who should go are not enough, not when considering all the comments re Oscar. TK is going, he wants prem soccer, and yeah, the two keepers could both go. Andrews will go as he is on loan. Augustein and Lopez, yep, they can go. Rodriguez is only on a short term deal and will be gone anyway. Sell Buckley, yep based on his persistent injury issues. Sell Ulloa, sorry can't agree, let Hoskins go, maybe but that's just one more option lost to Oscar. Lingard, yeah love to keep him but as so many have said on here, no chance. Sign Ward, certainly. So now what about Greer, Bruno and Upson, do you not think that we need to look at these three? Orlandi, do we keep him and if Spanish Dave is out along with an injured Orlandi, where is the midfield flair going to come from. You don't mention any of the young lads, what should we do with them, will they up the entertainment level. How many players would you bring in, other than Ward and what budget do you think we need for tranfers. Just a point on the FFP. selling a player does not reduce our FFP requirements other than removing his wages. The FFP is all about reducing the week on week operational costs so when selling a player, the fee we get pays for a replacement, the savings toward our FFP requirements only come from lower wage costs and increasing our off pitch revenues. I do accept that if we sell enough players then we would show a profit and that would help with the FFP, but every time we sell one we have to buy one and buy better, so we may not make much money from transfers, better players want better wages and cost more.[/p][/quote]" Sell enough players" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take out Buckley and Ulloh then tell the whole world which others would command any sort of a worthwhile fee apart from Ince?[/p][/quote]3 posts from Vegas since this question but no reply to this specific question. Take that as no player in his opinion on the staff who will not be kept has a value.[/p][/quote]sorry for not replying, I didn't realise that the question was for me as I didn't make the suggestion that the two guys should go, I would let Buckley go, but not Ulloa. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

6:21pm Mon 7 Apr 14

dave from bexill says...

Vegas, why would you let Buckley go? Does he want to leave, or is it because of his injury problems? If the latter, then why would another team want him, even though he's an excellent footballer, capable of playing at a higher level and nowhere near his peak yet.
Vegas, why would you let Buckley go? Does he want to leave, or is it because of his injury problems? If the latter, then why would another team want him, even though he's an excellent footballer, capable of playing at a higher level and nowhere near his peak yet. dave from bexill
  • Score: 1

6:27pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Vegas, why would you let Buckley go? Does he want to leave, or is it because of his injury problems? If the latter, then why would another team want him, even though he's an excellent footballer, capable of playing at a higher level and nowhere near his peak yet.
My only reason for letting him go is his persistent injury issues, when fit he is class. If there was a way to manage his playing time to help him stay fit I could go for that but I am not sure there is.
The medics and managment have not rushed any player back, they have all been given time to heal but Buckley goes down again. His transfer value will be affected, no doubt about that, but I am only thinking of how he can contribute to next season, his value as a player and not about fees.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: Vegas, why would you let Buckley go? Does he want to leave, or is it because of his injury problems? If the latter, then why would another team want him, even though he's an excellent footballer, capable of playing at a higher level and nowhere near his peak yet.[/p][/quote]My only reason for letting him go is his persistent injury issues, when fit he is class. If there was a way to manage his playing time to help him stay fit I could go for that but I am not sure there is. The medics and managment have not rushed any player back, they have all been given time to heal but Buckley goes down again. His transfer value will be affected, no doubt about that, but I am only thinking of how he can contribute to next season, his value as a player and not about fees. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

6:29pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

The MK Ultra wrote:
brighton1980 wrote:
The Bosch wrote:
Anthony 14 wrote:
Tommy11 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Just suppose we did replace Oscar and suppose a, 'name,' did come in as manager, do you Oscar detractors think that the transfer budget would change, or that players wages would sudenly go up, NO CHANCE. Brighton are working to a sound and reliable financial plan, we WILL be FFP compliant, we WILL NOT spend money that we can't afford to spend. We could appoint Sir Alex as manger tomorrow and he would have to work under the same financial contraints as those imposed on Oscar. If the money is there to spend for next season we might well see a clear out, Oscar will have the chance to improve the squad, if the money isn't there, then he will have to cut his cloth according to his means. Oscar as done wll with a squad that has been depleted all season, let's hope that the club will recognize what he has been able to do and give him what they can for next season. Some of the idiots on here we have us spend our way to oblivion just to satisfy thier needs for 90 minutes each week.
Totally Disagree.

We don't have to get a name, just someone with a bit of passion who can motivate players - and has more than 1 tactic up his sleave! its not about a name. Just someone who knows what they are doing.

And who do you think you are calling us idiots?I spent a fortune going to Barnsley. I can say what I want! I don't watch games on a Laptop with my pants round my ankles.
Don't worry about it Tommy 11 - Vegas Seagull is totally clueless. He is the first to comment on this site 2 seconds after the final whistle and is a very sad individual watching the game via internet stats. He should leave the comments to people who actually watch a game once in a while.

I was at Barnsley on Saturday too and you have the right to your opinion, which is a good summary of how the team is performing. Prats like Vegas Seagull just have no idea, its embarrassing!
Outstanding post my friend.You will find Vegas & Ex-pat or the once Old Scrote of the Amex took over this site full time just over a year ago.There is a very big chance they are both the same person will their long posts & always full of themselfs.Like you point out its clear from their post times they never even go to games.I was also there Sat and it was pure dire rubbish yet again.Yes the fans did turn on the team & OG but only after the game.He should watch MOTD and see the managers with some real passion just like the Everton manager last night.Him and NJ just stand there with a face on.
You could probably tell Vegas doesn't go to the games without looking at his post times. He lives in Vegas genius.
Is that so and we all live in NY then lol.I think you will find his just in Worthing with his friend.
how silly, it has been known and accepted that I am here in Vegas
[quote][p][bold]The MK Ultra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anthony 14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Just suppose we did replace Oscar and suppose a, 'name,' did come in as manager, do you Oscar detractors think that the transfer budget would change, or that players wages would sudenly go up, NO CHANCE. Brighton are working to a sound and reliable financial plan, we WILL be FFP compliant, we WILL NOT spend money that we can't afford to spend. We could appoint Sir Alex as manger tomorrow and he would have to work under the same financial contraints as those imposed on Oscar. If the money is there to spend for next season we might well see a clear out, Oscar will have the chance to improve the squad, if the money isn't there, then he will have to cut his cloth according to his means. Oscar as done wll with a squad that has been depleted all season, let's hope that the club will recognize what he has been able to do and give him what they can for next season. Some of the idiots on here we have us spend our way to oblivion just to satisfy thier needs for 90 minutes each week.[/p][/quote]Totally Disagree. We don't have to get a name, just someone with a bit of passion who can motivate players - and has more than 1 tactic up his sleave! its not about a name. Just someone who knows what they are doing. And who do you think you are calling us idiots?I spent a fortune going to Barnsley. I can say what I want! I don't watch games on a Laptop with my pants round my ankles.[/p][/quote]Don't worry about it Tommy 11 - Vegas Seagull is totally clueless. He is the first to comment on this site 2 seconds after the final whistle and is a very sad individual watching the game via internet stats. He should leave the comments to people who actually watch a game once in a while. I was at Barnsley on Saturday too and you have the right to your opinion, which is a good summary of how the team is performing. Prats like Vegas Seagull just have no idea, its embarrassing![/p][/quote]Outstanding post my friend.You will find Vegas & Ex-pat or the once Old Scrote of the Amex took over this site full time just over a year ago.There is a very big chance they are both the same person will their long posts & always full of themselfs.Like you point out its clear from their post times they never even go to games.I was also there Sat and it was pure dire rubbish yet again.Yes the fans did turn on the team & OG but only after the game.He should watch MOTD and see the managers with some real passion just like the Everton manager last night.Him and NJ just stand there with a face on.[/p][/quote]You could probably tell Vegas doesn't go to the games without looking at his post times. He lives in Vegas genius.[/p][/quote]Is that so and we all live in NY then lol.I think you will find his just in Worthing with his friend.[/p][/quote]how silly, it has been known and accepted that I am here in Vegas VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

6:30pm Mon 7 Apr 14

tug509 says...

Our "friends" up the road couldn`t buy a win at the start of the season ,they got rid of carrot and put in Pulis ,now they are playing well ,with the SAME squad almost winning at Chelsea ,same situation funnily enough at Stoke ,so i guess it`s a case of horses for courses .
Our "friends" up the road couldn`t buy a win at the start of the season ,they got rid of carrot and put in Pulis ,now they are playing well ,with the SAME squad almost winning at Chelsea ,same situation funnily enough at Stoke ,so i guess it`s a case of horses for courses . tug509
  • Score: 0

6:32pm Mon 7 Apr 14

brighton1980 says...

The MK Ultra wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Lets see how many are pro Oscar after a drubbing tomorrow night. My prediction 4-0 Leicester. Ive been season tkt holder for most of my 47 year and always will, ive done ten away games this season so im entitled to my opinion. What the club do need to do is get rid of Burke and Jones. Jones should not be telling Burke who we should sign. Let OG MANAGE the club or get a manager with backbone enough to demand it!
Outstanding post from yet another real fan.
What did you get banned for this time Bosch?
[quote][p][bold]The MK Ultra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Lets see how many are pro Oscar after a drubbing tomorrow night. My prediction 4-0 Leicester. Ive been season tkt holder for most of my 47 year and always will, ive done ten away games this season so im entitled to my opinion. What the club do need to do is get rid of Burke and Jones. Jones should not be telling Burke who we should sign. Let OG MANAGE the club or get a manager with backbone enough to demand it![/p][/quote]Outstanding post from yet another real fan.[/p][/quote]What did you get banned for this time Bosch? brighton1980
  • Score: 3

6:34pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Neville says...

Pte
Paul Barber is responsible for FFP regulations and making profits,assisted by the Financial Director, of course TB controls the purse strings but don't you imagine PB has guidelines to work to,of course he does. PB is allowed to manage by TB, TB is only in the country 32 days per year and would not have employed PB unless he was trusted.
Pte Paul Barber is responsible for FFP regulations and making profits,assisted by the Financial Director, of course TB controls the purse strings but don't you imagine PB has guidelines to work to,of course he does. PB is allowed to manage by TB, TB is only in the country 32 days per year and would not have employed PB unless he was trusted. Neville
  • Score: 4

6:40pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
Our "friends" up the road couldn`t buy a win at the start of the season ,they got rid of carrot and put in Pulis ,now they are playing well ,with the SAME squad almost winning at Chelsea ,same situation funnily enough at Stoke ,so i guess it`s a case of horses for courses .
Tug what I don't understand is how some can call for Oscar to go when he has not had the chance to do what ever it he does come the next window. Not one single person on this, or any other forum, has any clue as to what his plans and desires are regarding our squad for next year.
With the lack of spending this year, combined with the two new deals for shirts and naming rights, Oscar might have a huge budget, and then again he might not. Oscar might get the chance to bring in some quality and pace to the squad, or he might be asked to muddle thru again, we just don't know.
Given all the bad that has been attributed to Oscar today, how the heck has he managed to keep us just outside the top six, when if you go by the nay sayers we should be in the bottom six.
I don't get it.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Our "friends" up the road couldn`t buy a win at the start of the season ,they got rid of carrot and put in Pulis ,now they are playing well ,with the SAME squad almost winning at Chelsea ,same situation funnily enough at Stoke ,so i guess it`s a case of horses for courses .[/p][/quote]Tug what I don't understand is how some can call for Oscar to go when he has not had the chance to do what ever it he does come the next window. Not one single person on this, or any other forum, has any clue as to what his plans and desires are regarding our squad for next year. With the lack of spending this year, combined with the two new deals for shirts and naming rights, Oscar might have a huge budget, and then again he might not. Oscar might get the chance to bring in some quality and pace to the squad, or he might be asked to muddle thru again, we just don't know. Given all the bad that has been attributed to Oscar today, how the heck has he managed to keep us just outside the top six, when if you go by the nay sayers we should be in the bottom six. I don't get it. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

6:42pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

The MK Ultra wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
The MK Ultra wrote:
brighton1980 wrote:
The Bosch wrote:
Anthony 14 wrote:
Tommy11 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Just suppose we did replace Oscar and suppose a, 'name,' did come in as manager, do you Oscar detractors think that the transfer budget would change, or that players wages would sudenly go up, NO CHANCE. Brighton are working to a sound and reliable financial plan, we WILL be FFP compliant, we WILL NOT spend money that we can't afford to spend. We could appoint Sir Alex as manger tomorrow and he would have to work under the same financial contraints as those imposed on Oscar. If the money is there to spend for next season we might well see a clear out, Oscar will have the chance to improve the squad, if the money isn't there, then he will have to cut his cloth according to his means. Oscar as done wll with a squad that has been depleted all season, let's hope that the club will recognize what he has been able to do and give him what they can for next season. Some of the idiots on here we have us spend our way to oblivion just to satisfy thier needs for 90 minutes each week.
Totally Disagree.

We don't have to get a name, just someone with a bit of passion who can motivate players - and has more than 1 tactic up his sleave! its not about a name. Just someone who knows what they are doing.

And who do you think you are calling us idiots?I spent a fortune going to Barnsley. I can say what I want! I don't watch games on a Laptop with my pants round my ankles.
Don't worry about it Tommy 11 - Vegas Seagull is totally clueless. He is the first to comment on this site 2 seconds after the final whistle and is a very sad individual watching the game via internet stats. He should leave the comments to people who actually watch a game once in a while.

I was at Barnsley on Saturday too and you have the right to your opinion, which is a good summary of how the team is performing. Prats like Vegas Seagull just have no idea, its embarrassing!
Outstanding post my friend.You will find Vegas & Ex-pat or the once Old Scrote of the Amex took over this site full time just over a year ago.There is a very big chance they are both the same person will their long posts & always full of themselfs.Like you point out its clear from their post times they never even go to games.I was also there Sat and it was pure dire rubbish yet again.Yes the fans did turn on the team & OG but only after the game.He should watch MOTD and see the managers with some real passion just like the Everton manager last night.Him and NJ just stand there with a face on.
You could probably tell Vegas doesn't go to the games without looking at his post times. He lives in Vegas genius.
Is that so and we all live in NY then lol.I think you will find his just in Worthing with his friend.
how silly, it has been known and accepted that I am here in Vegas
By who ??? You have just made a little small group think that as you have taken over the site.
what ever
[quote][p][bold]The MK Ultra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The MK Ultra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton1980[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Bosch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anthony 14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Just suppose we did replace Oscar and suppose a, 'name,' did come in as manager, do you Oscar detractors think that the transfer budget would change, or that players wages would sudenly go up, NO CHANCE. Brighton are working to a sound and reliable financial plan, we WILL be FFP compliant, we WILL NOT spend money that we can't afford to spend. We could appoint Sir Alex as manger tomorrow and he would have to work under the same financial contraints as those imposed on Oscar. If the money is there to spend for next season we might well see a clear out, Oscar will have the chance to improve the squad, if the money isn't there, then he will have to cut his cloth according to his means. Oscar as done wll with a squad that has been depleted all season, let's hope that the club will recognize what he has been able to do and give him what they can for next season. Some of the idiots on here we have us spend our way to oblivion just to satisfy thier needs for 90 minutes each week.[/p][/quote]Totally Disagree. We don't have to get a name, just someone with a bit of passion who can motivate players - and has more than 1 tactic up his sleave! its not about a name. Just someone who knows what they are doing. And who do you think you are calling us idiots?I spent a fortune going to Barnsley. I can say what I want! I don't watch games on a Laptop with my pants round my ankles.[/p][/quote]Don't worry about it Tommy 11 - Vegas Seagull is totally clueless. He is the first to comment on this site 2 seconds after the final whistle and is a very sad individual watching the game via internet stats. He should leave the comments to people who actually watch a game once in a while. I was at Barnsley on Saturday too and you have the right to your opinion, which is a good summary of how the team is performing. Prats like Vegas Seagull just have no idea, its embarrassing![/p][/quote]Outstanding post my friend.You will find Vegas & Ex-pat or the once Old Scrote of the Amex took over this site full time just over a year ago.There is a very big chance they are both the same person will their long posts & always full of themselfs.Like you point out its clear from their post times they never even go to games.I was also there Sat and it was pure dire rubbish yet again.Yes the fans did turn on the team & OG but only after the game.He should watch MOTD and see the managers with some real passion just like the Everton manager last night.Him and NJ just stand there with a face on.[/p][/quote]You could probably tell Vegas doesn't go to the games without looking at his post times. He lives in Vegas genius.[/p][/quote]Is that so and we all live in NY then lol.I think you will find his just in Worthing with his friend.[/p][/quote]how silly, it has been known and accepted that I am here in Vegas[/p][/quote]By who ??? You have just made a little small group think that as you have taken over the site.[/p][/quote]what ever VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

6:45pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

Tug give me your mobile number, I will send you a text and you will see my number, which will show that I am in USA. I trust you not to make silly phone calls at stupid hours, at least then you will be able to confirm my whereabouts.
Tug give me your mobile number, I will send you a text and you will see my number, which will show that I am in USA. I trust you not to make silly phone calls at stupid hours, at least then you will be able to confirm my whereabouts. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -3

6:46pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Tug give me your mobile number, I will send you a text and you will see my number, which will show that I am in USA. I trust you not to make silly phone calls at stupid hours, at least then you will be able to confirm my whereabouts.
nah thinking about it Tug, you might get the nutty calls
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Tug give me your mobile number, I will send you a text and you will see my number, which will show that I am in USA. I trust you not to make silly phone calls at stupid hours, at least then you will be able to confirm my whereabouts.[/p][/quote]nah thinking about it Tug, you might get the nutty calls VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

6:54pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Conelli98 says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Lets see how many are pro Oscar after a drubbing tomorrow night. My prediction 4-0 Leicester. Ive been season tkt holder for most of my 47 year and always will, ive done ten away games this season so im entitled to my opinion. What the club do need to do is get rid of Burke and Jones. Jones should not be telling Burke who we should sign. Let OG MANAGE the club or get a manager with backbone enough to demand it!
Ps...only reason Jones was brought in is because he speaks fluent Spanish, why didnt club have forsight to save money and prep Calderon for a coaching role. Would love Calderon to stay at club for many years!!!
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Lets see how many are pro Oscar after a drubbing tomorrow night. My prediction 4-0 Leicester. Ive been season tkt holder for most of my 47 year and always will, ive done ten away games this season so im entitled to my opinion. What the club do need to do is get rid of Burke and Jones. Jones should not be telling Burke who we should sign. Let OG MANAGE the club or get a manager with backbone enough to demand it![/p][/quote]Ps...only reason Jones was brought in is because he speaks fluent Spanish, why didnt club have forsight to save money and prep Calderon for a coaching role. Would love Calderon to stay at club for many years!!! Conelli98
  • Score: 1

7:00pm Mon 7 Apr 14

pte says...

Neville wrote:
Pte
Paul Barber is responsible for FFP regulations and making profits,assisted by the Financial Director, of course TB controls the purse strings but don't you imagine PB has guidelines to work to,of course he does. PB is allowed to manage by TB, TB is only in the country 32 days per year and would not have employed PB unless he was trusted.
Nev, its a well known Machiavellian tactic that all politicians use that if you don't want to take the blame for unpopular decisions, you appoint a stooge to take the blame. Paul is that stooge, remember he is only an employee not the boss so he can't tell Tony anything, it's the other way round Tony tells Paul and Paul follows orders. No businessman entrusts his hard earned wealth to a paid employee without rigid controls

Anyway interesting stat you come up with 8m playing budget, sure they could pay more given the gates, and other income
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Pte Paul Barber is responsible for FFP regulations and making profits,assisted by the Financial Director, of course TB controls the purse strings but don't you imagine PB has guidelines to work to,of course he does. PB is allowed to manage by TB, TB is only in the country 32 days per year and would not have employed PB unless he was trusted.[/p][/quote]Nev, its a well known Machiavellian tactic that all politicians use that if you don't want to take the blame for unpopular decisions, you appoint a stooge to take the blame. Paul is that stooge, remember he is only an employee not the boss so he can't tell Tony anything, it's the other way round Tony tells Paul and Paul follows orders. No businessman entrusts his hard earned wealth to a paid employee without rigid controls Anyway interesting stat you come up with 8m playing budget, sure they could pay more given the gates, and other income pte
  • Score: 0

7:04pm Mon 7 Apr 14

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Tug give me your mobile number, I will send you a text and you will see my number, which will show that I am in USA. I trust you not to make silly phone calls at stupid hours, at least then you will be able to confirm my whereabouts.
nah thinking about it Tug, you might get the nutty calls
Now since when did you care about such invertebrate ?.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Tug give me your mobile number, I will send you a text and you will see my number, which will show that I am in USA. I trust you not to make silly phone calls at stupid hours, at least then you will be able to confirm my whereabouts.[/p][/quote]nah thinking about it Tug, you might get the nutty calls[/p][/quote]Now since when did you care about such invertebrate ?. tug509
  • Score: -1

7:23pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Tug give me your mobile number, I will send you a text and you will see my number, which will show that I am in USA. I trust you not to make silly phone calls at stupid hours, at least then you will be able to confirm my whereabouts.
nah thinking about it Tug, you might get the nutty calls
Now since when did you care about such invertebrate ?.
so funny
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Tug give me your mobile number, I will send you a text and you will see my number, which will show that I am in USA. I trust you not to make silly phone calls at stupid hours, at least then you will be able to confirm my whereabouts.[/p][/quote]nah thinking about it Tug, you might get the nutty calls[/p][/quote]Now since when did you care about such invertebrate ?.[/p][/quote]so funny VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

7:32pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Lets see how many are pro Oscar after a drubbing tomorrow night. My prediction 4-0 Leicester. Ive been season tkt holder for most of my 47 year and always will, ive done ten away games this season so im entitled to my opinion. What the club do need to do is get rid of Burke and Jones. Jones should not be telling Burke who we should sign. Let OG MANAGE the club or get a manager with backbone enough to demand it!
What evidence is there that's Jones is telling Burke what to do?
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Lets see how many are pro Oscar after a drubbing tomorrow night. My prediction 4-0 Leicester. Ive been season tkt holder for most of my 47 year and always will, ive done ten away games this season so im entitled to my opinion. What the club do need to do is get rid of Burke and Jones. Jones should not be telling Burke who we should sign. Let OG MANAGE the club or get a manager with backbone enough to demand it![/p][/quote]What evidence is there that's Jones is telling Burke what to do? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

7:35pm Mon 7 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
oscar must go wrote:
oscar must go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Vegas,
Ok I would release:

Brezovan,Ankergren,A





ndrews,Augustien,Lop





ez,Rodriguez,Hoskins







Sell Buckley and Ulloa
Try and re sign TK and then if he goas we can command a fee and sign Ward and try and keep Lingard .
Money from sales to be spent strengthening squad unless swallowed up by FFP.
Neville your suggestions as to who should go are not enough, not when considering all the comments re Oscar.
TK is going, he wants prem soccer, and yeah, the two keepers could both go. Andrews will go as he is on loan. Augustein and Lopez, yep, they can go. Rodriguez is only on a short term deal and will be gone anyway. Sell Buckley, yep based on his persistent injury issues. Sell Ulloa, sorry can't agree, let Hoskins go, maybe but that's just one more option lost to Oscar. Lingard, yeah love to keep him but as so many have said on here, no chance. Sign Ward, certainly.
So now what about Greer, Bruno and Upson, do you not think that we need to look at these three? Orlandi, do we keep him and if Spanish Dave is out along with an injured Orlandi, where is the midfield flair going to come from. You don't mention any of the young lads, what should we do with them, will they up the entertainment level.
How many players would you bring in, other than Ward and what budget do you think we need for tranfers.

Just a point on the FFP. selling a player does not reduce our FFP requirements other than removing his wages. The FFP is all about reducing the week on week operational costs so when selling a player, the fee we get pays for a replacement, the savings toward our FFP requirements only come from lower wage costs and increasing our off pitch revenues. I do accept that if we sell enough players then we would show a profit and that would help with the FFP, but every time we sell one we have to buy one and buy better, so we may not make much money from transfers, better players want better wages and cost more.
" Sell enough players" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take out Buckley and Ulloh then tell the whole world which others would command any sort of a worthwhile fee apart from Ince?
3 posts from Vegas since this question but no reply to this specific question.

Take that as no player in his opinion on the staff who will not be kept has a value.
sorry for not replying, I didn't realise that the question was for me as I didn't make the suggestion that the two guys should go, I would let Buckley go, but not Ulloa.
Read the final paragraph of your FFP lecture and then answer the question .

Which players except Ince, Buckley and Ulloh have a value in your opinion?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Vegas, Ok I would release: Brezovan,Ankergren,A ndrews,Augustien,Lop ez,Rodriguez,Hoskins Sell Buckley and Ulloa Try and re sign TK and then if he goas we can command a fee and sign Ward and try and keep Lingard . Money from sales to be spent strengthening squad unless swallowed up by FFP.[/p][/quote]Neville your suggestions as to who should go are not enough, not when considering all the comments re Oscar. TK is going, he wants prem soccer, and yeah, the two keepers could both go. Andrews will go as he is on loan. Augustein and Lopez, yep, they can go. Rodriguez is only on a short term deal and will be gone anyway. Sell Buckley, yep based on his persistent injury issues. Sell Ulloa, sorry can't agree, let Hoskins go, maybe but that's just one more option lost to Oscar. Lingard, yeah love to keep him but as so many have said on here, no chance. Sign Ward, certainly. So now what about Greer, Bruno and Upson, do you not think that we need to look at these three? Orlandi, do we keep him and if Spanish Dave is out along with an injured Orlandi, where is the midfield flair going to come from. You don't mention any of the young lads, what should we do with them, will they up the entertainment level. How many players would you bring in, other than Ward and what budget do you think we need for tranfers. Just a point on the FFP. selling a player does not reduce our FFP requirements other than removing his wages. The FFP is all about reducing the week on week operational costs so when selling a player, the fee we get pays for a replacement, the savings toward our FFP requirements only come from lower wage costs and increasing our off pitch revenues. I do accept that if we sell enough players then we would show a profit and that would help with the FFP, but every time we sell one we have to buy one and buy better, so we may not make much money from transfers, better players want better wages and cost more.[/p][/quote]" Sell enough players" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take out Buckley and Ulloh then tell the whole world which others would command any sort of a worthwhile fee apart from Ince?[/p][/quote]3 posts from Vegas since this question but no reply to this specific question. Take that as no player in his opinion on the staff who will not be kept has a value.[/p][/quote]sorry for not replying, I didn't realise that the question was for me as I didn't make the suggestion that the two guys should go, I would let Buckley go, but not Ulloa.[/p][/quote]Read the final paragraph of your FFP lecture and then answer the question . Which players except Ince, Buckley and Ulloh have a value in your opinion? oscar must go
  • Score: 0

7:44pm Mon 7 Apr 14

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Our "friends" up the road couldn`t buy a win at the start of the season ,they got rid of carrot and put in Pulis ,now they are playing well ,with the SAME squad almost winning at Chelsea ,same situation funnily enough at Stoke ,so i guess it`s a case of horses for courses .
Tug what I don't understand is how some can call for Oscar to go when he has not had the chance to do what ever it he does come the next window. Not one single person on this, or any other forum, has any clue as to what his plans and desires are regarding our squad for next year.
With the lack of spending this year, combined with the two new deals for shirts and naming rights, Oscar might have a huge budget, and then again he might not. Oscar might get the chance to bring in some quality and pace to the squad, or he might be asked to muddle thru again, we just don't know.
Given all the bad that has been attributed to Oscar today, how the heck has he managed to keep us just outside the top six, when if you go by the nay sayers we should be in the bottom six.
I don't get it.
I can only speak for myself obviously ,but my main concern is ,no matter how good the new players we might bring in ,the same style and tactics will stay ,and they dont work . The championship has a great variety of styles ,some try to play ,some hoof it ,and some try to bully ,and any combination you like all at once . With us ,it`s relatively easy for other sides to predict ,and spoil our style of play ,because we only play one way ,no surprises for our rivals .I have nothing against Oscar ,just his lack of variety , and defensive nature .
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Our "friends" up the road couldn`t buy a win at the start of the season ,they got rid of carrot and put in Pulis ,now they are playing well ,with the SAME squad almost winning at Chelsea ,same situation funnily enough at Stoke ,so i guess it`s a case of horses for courses .[/p][/quote]Tug what I don't understand is how some can call for Oscar to go when he has not had the chance to do what ever it he does come the next window. Not one single person on this, or any other forum, has any clue as to what his plans and desires are regarding our squad for next year. With the lack of spending this year, combined with the two new deals for shirts and naming rights, Oscar might have a huge budget, and then again he might not. Oscar might get the chance to bring in some quality and pace to the squad, or he might be asked to muddle thru again, we just don't know. Given all the bad that has been attributed to Oscar today, how the heck has he managed to keep us just outside the top six, when if you go by the nay sayers we should be in the bottom six. I don't get it.[/p][/quote]I can only speak for myself obviously ,but my main concern is ,no matter how good the new players we might bring in ,the same style and tactics will stay ,and they dont work . The championship has a great variety of styles ,some try to play ,some hoof it ,and some try to bully ,and any combination you like all at once . With us ,it`s relatively easy for other sides to predict ,and spoil our style of play ,because we only play one way ,no surprises for our rivals .I have nothing against Oscar ,just his lack of variety , and defensive nature . tug509
  • Score: 2

8:13pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

OMGo.
The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection.

Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year.

Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez.

TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in.

CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.
OMGo. The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection. Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year. Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez. TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in. CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

8:21pm Mon 7 Apr 14

OldGull says...

I find it amazing how many of the "Oscar Out" camp claim to have been at Barnsley on saturday.

If true, hats off to them for their dedication

In truth "Some" of them use that line to add weight to their argument.

My view on OG......
He has done a reasonable job during a difficult start to his reign.
Give him a pre season to bring in and mould a team to challenge next year.
I find it amazing how many of the "Oscar Out" camp claim to have been at Barnsley on saturday. If true, hats off to them for their dedication In truth "Some" of them use that line to add weight to their argument. My view on OG...... He has done a reasonable job during a difficult start to his reign. Give him a pre season to bring in and mould a team to challenge next year. OldGull
  • Score: 2

8:28pm Mon 7 Apr 14

JeffLomer says...

OSCAR STAYING SO SHUT UP YOU WHINGING IDIOTS, READ THESE POSTS SHOCKING BY MOST, CANT BE BOTHERED TO PUT ANYTHING ELSE WASTED ON 99% ON HERE!!!!!!!!!!! OFF TO LEICESTER TOMORROW CANT WAIT TO CHEER THE BOYS ON!!!!
OSCAR STAYING SO SHUT UP YOU WHINGING IDIOTS, READ THESE POSTS SHOCKING BY MOST, CANT BE BOTHERED TO PUT ANYTHING ELSE WASTED ON 99% ON HERE!!!!!!!!!!! OFF TO LEICESTER TOMORROW CANT WAIT TO CHEER THE BOYS ON!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 0

8:38pm Mon 7 Apr 14

JeffLomer says...

OldGull wrote:
I find it amazing how many of the "Oscar Out" camp claim to have been at Barnsley on saturday.

If true, hats off to them for their dedication

In truth "Some" of them use that line to add weight to their argument.

My view on OG......
He has done a reasonable job during a difficult start to his reign.
Give him a pre season to bring in and mould a team to challenge next year.
I was there oldgull and Leicester tomorrow, i like your opinions on here exactly how i feel give OSCAR a fair crack get ff his back!!!!!!!!!!!!!! get the dead wood out in the summer so he can bring his own players in,
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: I find it amazing how many of the "Oscar Out" camp claim to have been at Barnsley on saturday. If true, hats off to them for their dedication In truth "Some" of them use that line to add weight to their argument. My view on OG...... He has done a reasonable job during a difficult start to his reign. Give him a pre season to bring in and mould a team to challenge next year.[/p][/quote]I was there oldgull and Leicester tomorrow, i like your opinions on here exactly how i feel give OSCAR a fair crack get ff his back!!!!!!!!!!!!!! get the dead wood out in the summer so he can bring his own players in, JeffLomer
  • Score: 3

9:05pm Mon 7 Apr 14

brightonup says...

I have noticed that several of OG's detractors are the same posters who called for Ashley Barnes.
Barnes of course left.... and I fear OG may be hounded out.
Considering the short time he has had, the injuries to key players, and January window fiasco, I think the baying mob is a disgrace.
I have noticed that several of OG's detractors are the same posters who called for Ashley Barnes. Barnes of course left.... and I fear OG may be hounded out. Considering the short time he has had, the injuries to key players, and January window fiasco, I think the baying mob is a disgrace. brightonup
  • Score: 2

9:32pm Mon 7 Apr 14

OldGull says...

JeffLomer wrote:
OldGull wrote:
I find it amazing how many of the "Oscar Out" camp claim to have been at Barnsley on saturday.

If true, hats off to them for their dedication

In truth "Some" of them use that line to add weight to their argument.

My view on OG......
He has done a reasonable job during a difficult start to his reign.
Give him a pre season to bring in and mould a team to challenge next year.
I was there oldgull and Leicester tomorrow, i like your opinions on here exactly how i feel give OSCAR a fair crack get ff his back!!!!!!!!!!!!!! get the dead wood out in the summer so he can bring his own players in,
I don't get to many away games these days. But I am a season ticket holder and when work prevents me attending my son uses the ticket.

I am quietly optimistic about tomorrow.
Hope you see a great game
UTA
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: I find it amazing how many of the "Oscar Out" camp claim to have been at Barnsley on saturday. If true, hats off to them for their dedication In truth "Some" of them use that line to add weight to their argument. My view on OG...... He has done a reasonable job during a difficult start to his reign. Give him a pre season to bring in and mould a team to challenge next year.[/p][/quote]I was there oldgull and Leicester tomorrow, i like your opinions on here exactly how i feel give OSCAR a fair crack get ff his back!!!!!!!!!!!!!! get the dead wood out in the summer so he can bring his own players in,[/p][/quote]I don't get to many away games these days. But I am a season ticket holder and when work prevents me attending my son uses the ticket. I am quietly optimistic about tomorrow. Hope you see a great game UTA OldGull
  • Score: 2

9:34pm Mon 7 Apr 14

OldGull says...

brightonup wrote:
I have noticed that several of OG's detractors are the same posters who called for Ashley Barnes.
Barnes of course left.... and I fear OG may be hounded out.
Considering the short time he has had, the injuries to key players, and January window fiasco, I think the baying mob is a disgrace.
How many of them are genuine fans?
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: I have noticed that several of OG's detractors are the same posters who called for Ashley Barnes. Barnes of course left.... and I fear OG may be hounded out. Considering the short time he has had, the injuries to key players, and January window fiasco, I think the baying mob is a disgrace.[/p][/quote]How many of them are genuine fans? OldGull
  • Score: 0

9:44pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Marky24 says...

Sherwood for brighton oscar couldn't manage his dinner
Sherwood for brighton oscar couldn't manage his dinner Marky24
  • Score: -6

9:51pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Towner83 says...

Things could be a lot worse, could be a Sunderland fan :-)
Btw, how ordinary has Bridcutt looked in the prem. Probably a god send that we don't go up this year
Things could be a lot worse, could be a Sunderland fan :-) Btw, how ordinary has Bridcutt looked in the prem. Probably a god send that we don't go up this year Towner83
  • Score: 4

9:54pm Mon 7 Apr 14

gordongull says...

If we are want a fair comparison in order to judge Oscar's achievements, we should be looking at season 2011/2012, not last season. A Manager making his debut in the Championship, faced with an injury crisis for much of the season. Sound familiar?
We finished 10th on 66 points that season, and if Oscar can produce something similar, he has to be considered a success.
Next season is different. He will need to deliver a strong challenge for automatic promotion.
If there is little or no money available for team strengthening, he will not be the right man for the job. It is obvious that his methods are not going to change, and these methods are ineffective using the players we have.
If, on the other hand, Oscar is provided with sufficient funds to acquire the players needed to make his system work, I believe there is a chance he could succeed.
With Oscar speaking good English and recruiting his own players, Burke and Jones will be surplus to requirements.
If we are want a fair comparison in order to judge Oscar's achievements, we should be looking at season 2011/2012, not last season. A Manager making his debut in the Championship, faced with an injury crisis for much of the season. Sound familiar? We finished 10th on 66 points that season, and if Oscar can produce something similar, he has to be considered a success. Next season is different. He will need to deliver a strong challenge for automatic promotion. If there is little or no money available for team strengthening, he will not be the right man for the job. It is obvious that his methods are not going to change, and these methods are ineffective using the players we have. If, on the other hand, Oscar is provided with sufficient funds to acquire the players needed to make his system work, I believe there is a chance he could succeed. With Oscar speaking good English and recruiting his own players, Burke and Jones will be surplus to requirements. gordongull
  • Score: 2

10:31pm Mon 7 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
OMGo.
The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection.

Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year.

Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez.

TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in.

CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.
Vegas

Thanks for this.

I just look at the assets in terms of transfer values and worry that we have little on which we can cash in.

I see no value in re-engaging Hoskins as history tells us that we will not get 50% of a season from him and the last thing we need is another injury situation like this year with the playing budget available. CMS was an expensive signing so has to be worth persevering with.

When Oscar was engaged there were few alternative options with the potential legal process involving Poyet but there are plenty around now so nothing will persuade me that a new direction is not the answer.



Time will tell.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: OMGo. The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection. Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year. Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez. TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in. CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.[/p][/quote]Vegas Thanks for this. I just look at the assets in terms of transfer values and worry that we have little on which we can cash in. I see no value in re-engaging Hoskins as history tells us that we will not get 50% of a season from him and the last thing we need is another injury situation like this year with the playing budget available. CMS was an expensive signing so has to be worth persevering with. When Oscar was engaged there were few alternative options with the potential legal process involving Poyet but there are plenty around now so nothing will persuade me that a new direction is not the answer. Time will tell. oscar must go
  • Score: -1

10:59pm Mon 7 Apr 14

gordongull says...

oscar must go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
OMGo.
The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection.

Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year.

Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez.

TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in.

CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.
Vegas

Thanks for this.

I just look at the assets in terms of transfer values and worry that we have little on which we can cash in.

I see no value in re-engaging Hoskins as history tells us that we will not get 50% of a season from him and the last thing we need is another injury situation like this year with the playing budget available. CMS was an expensive signing so has to be worth persevering with.

When Oscar was engaged there were few alternative options with the potential legal process involving Poyet but there are plenty around now so nothing will persuade me that a new direction is not the answer.



Time will tell.
There are Managers, (not coaches), that I would prefer to see at the Amex, but I don't believe replacing Oscar has even been considered. That is why I want it to work for him, and why I'm trying to see ways that might be possible.
On the subject of recruiting players, a quick look at the pages of Wikipedia in recent seasons by the Management could have saved the Club enough money to pay off this year's £8m debt. There are player profiles which include career statistics and medical history.
It isn't rocket science!
[quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: OMGo. The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection. Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year. Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez. TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in. CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.[/p][/quote]Vegas Thanks for this. I just look at the assets in terms of transfer values and worry that we have little on which we can cash in. I see no value in re-engaging Hoskins as history tells us that we will not get 50% of a season from him and the last thing we need is another injury situation like this year with the playing budget available. CMS was an expensive signing so has to be worth persevering with. When Oscar was engaged there were few alternative options with the potential legal process involving Poyet but there are plenty around now so nothing will persuade me that a new direction is not the answer. Time will tell.[/p][/quote]There are Managers, (not coaches), that I would prefer to see at the Amex, but I don't believe replacing Oscar has even been considered. That is why I want it to work for him, and why I'm trying to see ways that might be possible. On the subject of recruiting players, a quick look at the pages of Wikipedia in recent seasons by the Management could have saved the Club enough money to pay off this year's £8m debt. There are player profiles which include career statistics and medical history. It isn't rocket science! gordongull
  • Score: 2

11:02pm Mon 7 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

oscar must go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
OMGo.
The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection.

Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year.

Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez.

TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in.

CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.
Vegas

Thanks for this.

I just look at the assets in terms of transfer values and worry that we have little on which we can cash in.

I see no value in re-engaging Hoskins as history tells us that we will not get 50% of a season from him and the last thing we need is another injury situation like this year with the playing budget available. CMS was an expensive signing so has to be worth persevering with.

When Oscar was engaged there were few alternative options with the potential legal process involving Poyet but there are plenty around now so nothing will persuade me that a new direction is not the answer.



Time will tell.
In terms of, 'cashing in,' very few of our older players have a high resale value, and some will be out of contract so have zero monetary value. If Oscar is to have a rebuild, or even if we had a new manager, I doubt that enough money will be made by selling players, n fact no where near enough. For this reason I suspect that a war chest may have been slowly in the makings over the last six months or so.
The shirt and naming rights deals will give new money to the club over a period of years, but some should come before the summer. Other than wages for a couple of loanee flops, we have spent bugger all really.
I don't think that we have seen Oscar's desired playing style, I don't think that he has the right players to make it work and some that might, well they spend a lot of time on the sick bed.

Be honest, if we played 18 slow passes across the back and just this side of the halfway line but then, played two more that put a forward in on goal, would that be boring? The back and forth passing, which is designed to draw one palyer at a time toward the ball which in turn creates space for us to attack, only works if we have speed and on ball quality in midfield, and we don't, and those that come close to those requirements are injured.
[quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: OMGo. The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection. Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year. Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez. TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in. CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.[/p][/quote]Vegas Thanks for this. I just look at the assets in terms of transfer values and worry that we have little on which we can cash in. I see no value in re-engaging Hoskins as history tells us that we will not get 50% of a season from him and the last thing we need is another injury situation like this year with the playing budget available. CMS was an expensive signing so has to be worth persevering with. When Oscar was engaged there were few alternative options with the potential legal process involving Poyet but there are plenty around now so nothing will persuade me that a new direction is not the answer. Time will tell.[/p][/quote]In terms of, 'cashing in,' very few of our older players have a high resale value, and some will be out of contract so have zero monetary value. If Oscar is to have a rebuild, or even if we had a new manager, I doubt that enough money will be made by selling players, n fact no where near enough. For this reason I suspect that a war chest may have been slowly in the makings over the last six months or so. The shirt and naming rights deals will give new money to the club over a period of years, but some should come before the summer. Other than wages for a couple of loanee flops, we have spent bugger all really. I don't think that we have seen Oscar's desired playing style, I don't think that he has the right players to make it work and some that might, well they spend a lot of time on the sick bed. Be honest, if we played 18 slow passes across the back and just this side of the halfway line but then, played two more that put a forward in on goal, would that be boring? The back and forth passing, which is designed to draw one palyer at a time toward the ball which in turn creates space for us to attack, only works if we have speed and on ball quality in midfield, and we don't, and those that come close to those requirements are injured. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

11:08pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

gordongull wrote:
oscar must go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
OMGo.
The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection.

Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year.

Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez.

TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in.

CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.
Vegas

Thanks for this.

I just look at the assets in terms of transfer values and worry that we have little on which we can cash in.

I see no value in re-engaging Hoskins as history tells us that we will not get 50% of a season from him and the last thing we need is another injury situation like this year with the playing budget available. CMS was an expensive signing so has to be worth persevering with.

When Oscar was engaged there were few alternative options with the potential legal process involving Poyet but there are plenty around now so nothing will persuade me that a new direction is not the answer.



Time will tell.
There are Managers, (not coaches), that I would prefer to see at the Amex, but I don't believe replacing Oscar has even been considered. That is why I want it to work for him, and why I'm trying to see ways that might be possible.
On the subject of recruiting players, a quick look at the pages of Wikipedia in recent seasons by the Management could have saved the Club enough money to pay off this year's £8m debt. There are player profiles which include career statistics and medical history.
It isn't rocket science!
The club have a far more extensive database of players than Wikipedia. I'm sure I read on Wikipedia that Chamakh was a decent player!
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: OMGo. The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection. Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year. Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez. TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in. CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.[/p][/quote]Vegas Thanks for this. I just look at the assets in terms of transfer values and worry that we have little on which we can cash in. I see no value in re-engaging Hoskins as history tells us that we will not get 50% of a season from him and the last thing we need is another injury situation like this year with the playing budget available. CMS was an expensive signing so has to be worth persevering with. When Oscar was engaged there were few alternative options with the potential legal process involving Poyet but there are plenty around now so nothing will persuade me that a new direction is not the answer. Time will tell.[/p][/quote]There are Managers, (not coaches), that I would prefer to see at the Amex, but I don't believe replacing Oscar has even been considered. That is why I want it to work for him, and why I'm trying to see ways that might be possible. On the subject of recruiting players, a quick look at the pages of Wikipedia in recent seasons by the Management could have saved the Club enough money to pay off this year's £8m debt. There are player profiles which include career statistics and medical history. It isn't rocket science![/p][/quote]The club have a far more extensive database of players than Wikipedia. I'm sure I read on Wikipedia that Chamakh was a decent player! Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

11:22pm Mon 7 Apr 14

gordongull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
oscar must go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
OMGo.
The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection.

Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year.

Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez.

TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in.

CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.
Vegas

Thanks for this.

I just look at the assets in terms of transfer values and worry that we have little on which we can cash in.

I see no value in re-engaging Hoskins as history tells us that we will not get 50% of a season from him and the last thing we need is another injury situation like this year with the playing budget available. CMS was an expensive signing so has to be worth persevering with.

When Oscar was engaged there were few alternative options with the potential legal process involving Poyet but there are plenty around now so nothing will persuade me that a new direction is not the answer.



Time will tell.
There are Managers, (not coaches), that I would prefer to see at the Amex, but I don't believe replacing Oscar has even been considered. That is why I want it to work for him, and why I'm trying to see ways that might be possible.
On the subject of recruiting players, a quick look at the pages of Wikipedia in recent seasons by the Management could have saved the Club enough money to pay off this year's £8m debt. There are player profiles which include career statistics and medical history.
It isn't rocket science!
The club have a far more extensive database of players than Wikipedia. I'm sure I read on Wikipedia that Chamakh was a decent player!
There have been several high risk signings over recent seasons.
There seems to be little evidence that the Club referred to their database when assessing if a player was likely to get any actual game time.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: OMGo. The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection. Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year. Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez. TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in. CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.[/p][/quote]Vegas Thanks for this. I just look at the assets in terms of transfer values and worry that we have little on which we can cash in. I see no value in re-engaging Hoskins as history tells us that we will not get 50% of a season from him and the last thing we need is another injury situation like this year with the playing budget available. CMS was an expensive signing so has to be worth persevering with. When Oscar was engaged there were few alternative options with the potential legal process involving Poyet but there are plenty around now so nothing will persuade me that a new direction is not the answer. Time will tell.[/p][/quote]There are Managers, (not coaches), that I would prefer to see at the Amex, but I don't believe replacing Oscar has even been considered. That is why I want it to work for him, and why I'm trying to see ways that might be possible. On the subject of recruiting players, a quick look at the pages of Wikipedia in recent seasons by the Management could have saved the Club enough money to pay off this year's £8m debt. There are player profiles which include career statistics and medical history. It isn't rocket science![/p][/quote]The club have a far more extensive database of players than Wikipedia. I'm sure I read on Wikipedia that Chamakh was a decent player![/p][/quote]There have been several high risk signings over recent seasons. There seems to be little evidence that the Club referred to their database when assessing if a player was likely to get any actual game time. gordongull
  • Score: 1

11:35pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
oscar must go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
OMGo.
The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection.

Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year.

Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez.

TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in.

CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.
Vegas

Thanks for this.

I just look at the assets in terms of transfer values and worry that we have little on which we can cash in.

I see no value in re-engaging Hoskins as history tells us that we will not get 50% of a season from him and the last thing we need is another injury situation like this year with the playing budget available. CMS was an expensive signing so has to be worth persevering with.

When Oscar was engaged there were few alternative options with the potential legal process involving Poyet but there are plenty around now so nothing will persuade me that a new direction is not the answer.



Time will tell.
There are Managers, (not coaches), that I would prefer to see at the Amex, but I don't believe replacing Oscar has even been considered. That is why I want it to work for him, and why I'm trying to see ways that might be possible.
On the subject of recruiting players, a quick look at the pages of Wikipedia in recent seasons by the Management could have saved the Club enough money to pay off this year's £8m debt. There are player profiles which include career statistics and medical history.
It isn't rocket science!
The club have a far more extensive database of players than Wikipedia. I'm sure I read on Wikipedia that Chamakh was a decent player!
There have been several high risk signings over recent seasons.
There seems to be little evidence that the Club referred to their database when assessing if a player was likely to get any actual game time.
Signing any player is a gamble. Look at the amount that Spurs, Man Utd and Arsenal have made that haven't come off.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: OMGo. The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection. Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year. Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez. TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in. CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.[/p][/quote]Vegas Thanks for this. I just look at the assets in terms of transfer values and worry that we have little on which we can cash in. I see no value in re-engaging Hoskins as history tells us that we will not get 50% of a season from him and the last thing we need is another injury situation like this year with the playing budget available. CMS was an expensive signing so has to be worth persevering with. When Oscar was engaged there were few alternative options with the potential legal process involving Poyet but there are plenty around now so nothing will persuade me that a new direction is not the answer. Time will tell.[/p][/quote]There are Managers, (not coaches), that I would prefer to see at the Amex, but I don't believe replacing Oscar has even been considered. That is why I want it to work for him, and why I'm trying to see ways that might be possible. On the subject of recruiting players, a quick look at the pages of Wikipedia in recent seasons by the Management could have saved the Club enough money to pay off this year's £8m debt. There are player profiles which include career statistics and medical history. It isn't rocket science![/p][/quote]The club have a far more extensive database of players than Wikipedia. I'm sure I read on Wikipedia that Chamakh was a decent player![/p][/quote]There have been several high risk signings over recent seasons. There seems to be little evidence that the Club referred to their database when assessing if a player was likely to get any actual game time.[/p][/quote]Signing any player is a gamble. Look at the amount that Spurs, Man Utd and Arsenal have made that haven't come off. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

11:56pm Mon 7 Apr 14

gordongull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
oscar must go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
OMGo.
The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection.

Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year.

Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez.

TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in.

CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.
Vegas

Thanks for this.

I just look at the assets in terms of transfer values and worry that we have little on which we can cash in.

I see no value in re-engaging Hoskins as history tells us that we will not get 50% of a season from him and the last thing we need is another injury situation like this year with the playing budget available. CMS was an expensive signing so has to be worth persevering with.

When Oscar was engaged there were few alternative options with the potential legal process involving Poyet but there are plenty around now so nothing will persuade me that a new direction is not the answer.



Time will tell.
There are Managers, (not coaches), that I would prefer to see at the Amex, but I don't believe replacing Oscar has even been considered. That is why I want it to work for him, and why I'm trying to see ways that might be possible.
On the subject of recruiting players, a quick look at the pages of Wikipedia in recent seasons by the Management could have saved the Club enough money to pay off this year's £8m debt. There are player profiles which include career statistics and medical history.
It isn't rocket science!
The club have a far more extensive database of players than Wikipedia. I'm sure I read on Wikipedia that Chamakh was a decent player!
There have been several high risk signings over recent seasons.
There seems to be little evidence that the Club referred to their database when assessing if a player was likely to get any actual game time.
Signing any player is a gamble. Look at the amount that Spurs, Man Utd and Arsenal have made that haven't come off.
I was referring specifically to players with a history of injuries and other medical problems. Possibly I didn't make that clear.
On the other hand, would anyone who had done their research, sign a player on loan who was known to fans as 'Barn Door Billy'?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: OMGo. The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection. Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year. Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez. TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in. CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.[/p][/quote]Vegas Thanks for this. I just look at the assets in terms of transfer values and worry that we have little on which we can cash in. I see no value in re-engaging Hoskins as history tells us that we will not get 50% of a season from him and the last thing we need is another injury situation like this year with the playing budget available. CMS was an expensive signing so has to be worth persevering with. When Oscar was engaged there were few alternative options with the potential legal process involving Poyet but there are plenty around now so nothing will persuade me that a new direction is not the answer. Time will tell.[/p][/quote]There are Managers, (not coaches), that I would prefer to see at the Amex, but I don't believe replacing Oscar has even been considered. That is why I want it to work for him, and why I'm trying to see ways that might be possible. On the subject of recruiting players, a quick look at the pages of Wikipedia in recent seasons by the Management could have saved the Club enough money to pay off this year's £8m debt. There are player profiles which include career statistics and medical history. It isn't rocket science![/p][/quote]The club have a far more extensive database of players than Wikipedia. I'm sure I read on Wikipedia that Chamakh was a decent player![/p][/quote]There have been several high risk signings over recent seasons. There seems to be little evidence that the Club referred to their database when assessing if a player was likely to get any actual game time.[/p][/quote]Signing any player is a gamble. Look at the amount that Spurs, Man Utd and Arsenal have made that haven't come off.[/p][/quote]I was referring specifically to players with a history of injuries and other medical problems. Possibly I didn't make that clear. On the other hand, would anyone who had done their research, sign a player on loan who was known to fans as 'Barn Door Billy'? gordongull
  • Score: 3

12:27am Tue 8 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
oscar must go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
OMGo.
The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection.

Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year.

Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez.

TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in.

CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.
Vegas

Thanks for this.

I just look at the assets in terms of transfer values and worry that we have little on which we can cash in.

I see no value in re-engaging Hoskins as history tells us that we will not get 50% of a season from him and the last thing we need is another injury situation like this year with the playing budget available. CMS was an expensive signing so has to be worth persevering with.

When Oscar was engaged there were few alternative options with the potential legal process involving Poyet but there are plenty around now so nothing will persuade me that a new direction is not the answer.



Time will tell.
There are Managers, (not coaches), that I would prefer to see at the Amex, but I don't believe replacing Oscar has even been considered. That is why I want it to work for him, and why I'm trying to see ways that might be possible.
On the subject of recruiting players, a quick look at the pages of Wikipedia in recent seasons by the Management could have saved the Club enough money to pay off this year's £8m debt. There are player profiles which include career statistics and medical history.
It isn't rocket science!
The club have a far more extensive database of players than Wikipedia. I'm sure I read on Wikipedia that Chamakh was a decent player!
There have been several high risk signings over recent seasons.
There seems to be little evidence that the Club referred to their database when assessing if a player was likely to get any actual game time.
Signing any player is a gamble. Look at the amount that Spurs, Man Utd and Arsenal have made that haven't come off.
I was referring specifically to players with a history of injuries and other medical problems. Possibly I didn't make that clear.
On the other hand, would anyone who had done their research, sign a player on loan who was known to fans as 'Barn Door Billy'?
But BDB wasn't known by that epithet by anyone until we borrowed him, so there was nothing to find.

Still, we can't blame Burke for that signing as it pre-dated him.

Which brings me to the point about all the people on here saying we need a manager who can be in total control of players coming into the club. Gus was manager and he signed some absolute duffers - the list is too long to write here, but maybe he needed a DoF after all?
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: OMGo. The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection. Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year. Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez. TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in. CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.[/p][/quote]Vegas Thanks for this. I just look at the assets in terms of transfer values and worry that we have little on which we can cash in. I see no value in re-engaging Hoskins as history tells us that we will not get 50% of a season from him and the last thing we need is another injury situation like this year with the playing budget available. CMS was an expensive signing so has to be worth persevering with. When Oscar was engaged there were few alternative options with the potential legal process involving Poyet but there are plenty around now so nothing will persuade me that a new direction is not the answer. Time will tell.[/p][/quote]There are Managers, (not coaches), that I would prefer to see at the Amex, but I don't believe replacing Oscar has even been considered. That is why I want it to work for him, and why I'm trying to see ways that might be possible. On the subject of recruiting players, a quick look at the pages of Wikipedia in recent seasons by the Management could have saved the Club enough money to pay off this year's £8m debt. There are player profiles which include career statistics and medical history. It isn't rocket science![/p][/quote]The club have a far more extensive database of players than Wikipedia. I'm sure I read on Wikipedia that Chamakh was a decent player![/p][/quote]There have been several high risk signings over recent seasons. There seems to be little evidence that the Club referred to their database when assessing if a player was likely to get any actual game time.[/p][/quote]Signing any player is a gamble. Look at the amount that Spurs, Man Utd and Arsenal have made that haven't come off.[/p][/quote]I was referring specifically to players with a history of injuries and other medical problems. Possibly I didn't make that clear. On the other hand, would anyone who had done their research, sign a player on loan who was known to fans as 'Barn Door Billy'?[/p][/quote]But BDB wasn't known by that epithet by anyone until we borrowed him, so there was nothing to find. Still, we can't blame Burke for that signing as it pre-dated him. Which brings me to the point about all the people on here saying we need a manager who can be in total control of players coming into the club. Gus was manager and he signed some absolute duffers - the list is too long to write here, but maybe he needed a DoF after all? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

12:51am Tue 8 Apr 14

gordongull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
oscar must go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
OMGo.
The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection.

Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year.

Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez.

TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in.

CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.
Vegas

Thanks for this.

I just look at the assets in terms of transfer values and worry that we have little on which we can cash in.

I see no value in re-engaging Hoskins as history tells us that we will not get 50% of a season from him and the last thing we need is another injury situation like this year with the playing budget available. CMS was an expensive signing so has to be worth persevering with.

When Oscar was engaged there were few alternative options with the potential legal process involving Poyet but there are plenty around now so nothing will persuade me that a new direction is not the answer.



Time will tell.
There are Managers, (not coaches), that I would prefer to see at the Amex, but I don't believe replacing Oscar has even been considered. That is why I want it to work for him, and why I'm trying to see ways that might be possible.
On the subject of recruiting players, a quick look at the pages of Wikipedia in recent seasons by the Management could have saved the Club enough money to pay off this year's £8m debt. There are player profiles which include career statistics and medical history.
It isn't rocket science!
The club have a far more extensive database of players than Wikipedia. I'm sure I read on Wikipedia that Chamakh was a decent player!
There have been several high risk signings over recent seasons.
There seems to be little evidence that the Club referred to their database when assessing if a player was likely to get any actual game time.
Signing any player is a gamble. Look at the amount that Spurs, Man Utd and Arsenal have made that haven't come off.
I was referring specifically to players with a history of injuries and other medical problems. Possibly I didn't make that clear.
On the other hand, would anyone who had done their research, sign a player on loan who was known to fans as 'Barn Door Billy'?
But BDB wasn't known by that epithet by anyone until we borrowed him, so there was nothing to find.

Still, we can't blame Burke for that signing as it pre-dated him.

Which brings me to the point about all the people on here saying we need a manager who can be in total control of players coming into the club. Gus was manager and he signed some absolute duffers - the list is too long to write here, but maybe he needed a DoF after all?
Barn Door Billy was his nickname at Leeds. Well documented.

Just because Gus signed some duffers is no indication that Oscar will.
Maybe Gus did need a DoF, that is no concern of ours in the current situation.
There is no valid reason why Oscar should not be given the opportunity to create his own team.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: OMGo. The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection. Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year. Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez. TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in. CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.[/p][/quote]Vegas Thanks for this. I just look at the assets in terms of transfer values and worry that we have little on which we can cash in. I see no value in re-engaging Hoskins as history tells us that we will not get 50% of a season from him and the last thing we need is another injury situation like this year with the playing budget available. CMS was an expensive signing so has to be worth persevering with. When Oscar was engaged there were few alternative options with the potential legal process involving Poyet but there are plenty around now so nothing will persuade me that a new direction is not the answer. Time will tell.[/p][/quote]There are Managers, (not coaches), that I would prefer to see at the Amex, but I don't believe replacing Oscar has even been considered. That is why I want it to work for him, and why I'm trying to see ways that might be possible. On the subject of recruiting players, a quick look at the pages of Wikipedia in recent seasons by the Management could have saved the Club enough money to pay off this year's £8m debt. There are player profiles which include career statistics and medical history. It isn't rocket science![/p][/quote]The club have a far more extensive database of players than Wikipedia. I'm sure I read on Wikipedia that Chamakh was a decent player![/p][/quote]There have been several high risk signings over recent seasons. There seems to be little evidence that the Club referred to their database when assessing if a player was likely to get any actual game time.[/p][/quote]Signing any player is a gamble. Look at the amount that Spurs, Man Utd and Arsenal have made that haven't come off.[/p][/quote]I was referring specifically to players with a history of injuries and other medical problems. Possibly I didn't make that clear. On the other hand, would anyone who had done their research, sign a player on loan who was known to fans as 'Barn Door Billy'?[/p][/quote]But BDB wasn't known by that epithet by anyone until we borrowed him, so there was nothing to find. Still, we can't blame Burke for that signing as it pre-dated him. Which brings me to the point about all the people on here saying we need a manager who can be in total control of players coming into the club. Gus was manager and he signed some absolute duffers - the list is too long to write here, but maybe he needed a DoF after all?[/p][/quote]Barn Door Billy was his nickname at Leeds. Well documented. Just because Gus signed some duffers is no indication that Oscar will. Maybe Gus did need a DoF, that is no concern of ours in the current situation. There is no valid reason why Oscar should not be given the opportunity to create his own team. gordongull
  • Score: 1

1:06am Tue 8 Apr 14

Iangira says...

The problem is we need a manager who knows this division. No disrespect to Oscar but this is the toughest division in football. I just don`t think he is the right manager for Brighton & Hove Albion....FULL STOP. This 1st team coach and assistant coach rubbish is not working. Could be a disaster next season. We need a good manager who can work with the chairman and sort the issues out on the playing side. We need a " HANDS ON " chairman.
The problem is we need a manager who knows this division. No disrespect to Oscar but this is the toughest division in football. I just don`t think he is the right manager for Brighton & Hove Albion....FULL STOP. This 1st team coach and assistant coach rubbish is not working. Could be a disaster next season. We need a good manager who can work with the chairman and sort the issues out on the playing side. We need a " HANDS ON " chairman. Iangira
  • Score: -1

5:45am Tue 8 Apr 14

brighton bluenose says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
claud59music wrote:
challster wrote:
Oscar is doing a great job! The system he is building is good. It might take players time to adjust esp new ones coming in, but just remember Rome wasn't built in a day. Think about it.. It's about time our nation became less predictable as a footballing team. I love our national team, but the only way we are going to do better is become more confident on the ball, and thus be more flexible when a formation can be changed mid game etc. Spain won the last World Cup.. Why? Because from school boy to adult, they are coached to enjoy their football, it starts with the 'tippy tappy' game - then the sharpness comes ! Can we not see that this is where we are going at brighton. Oscar came through the ranks of the great Barcelona.. Can we all not see that this is the ideal man to build our club? Look at where we are now. I've waited years for us to get back a ground to rival the goldstone, we now have it. Step 2, is now well and truly in place. Which is to build our team. It's happening.. Be patient .. In Oscar we trust. From a loyal northstand fan, of the goldstone and the Amex.
It is amazing the number of fans who think that good footballers automatically become good managers. This is not the case and I think we are gradually finding this out with OG. This Albion team is quite boring to watch and have been for most of the season. Too slow and pedestrian yet the coach seems to have no idea how to rectify the situation. In OG we suffer!
If you can't significantly change the pig through a season, you can only put lipstick on it and hope....
But it'll still be a pig.
"Rectifying the situation" is what the summer's for.
In essence what your saying is that this entire season was always going to be a right off ! ,Oscar did not have a proper period of time over last summer ,so this season ,we should expect nothing and wait for the next ,thats a lot to ask ,and expect from paying fans ,even loyal Brighton fans . What will be the excuse next time ?.
Tug,
Like most of us, my opinion is based on the wonderful benefit of hindsight - so I'm certainly not pretending "I told you so" in terms of this season.
I appreciate patience is a lot to ask of fans in general, but my view is that changing the manager/coach at the slightest suggestion of a downturn, is not the way forward. He should be given time to use his first full summer to maximum effect ands bring in players he feels are more suited to the system. As it stands, a full summer of preparation is the one hefty unknown with Oscar. Certainly, the list of possible 'excuses' lessen as time passes and yes, there may come a time when something needs to change. But not now, it's far too early and that's my point.
Problem is we don't really know if OG will be signing his players! And I think that's a lot to do with the unrest with fans, there is no clarity in who is in charge .
MBTS
I don't wish to be rude (which means there's a chance it might seem that way, but it's not personal) but I do get frustrated with regular bouts of selective memory by people on here.
At the end of the January transfer window, the club outlined quite clearly what the process for transfers was, - no doubt to silence the doubters - and they undeniably positioned OG right in the middle of the decision making process. Selective memory means you can be negative for the sake of it and pretend there is one, clinical solution to the club having the gall not to be in the top two.
People also forget that if OG was being compromised, he has enough respect from football people across Europe not to be short of a job and could tell our lot to stuff it before going somewhere else. We're not exactly Barcelona and he doesn't need to be made to look a fool by Brighton & Hove Albion.
It is a long-term process, we are currently not good enough and OG has a first full summer at his disposal to make some changes - albeit within a pay structure just like every other coach/manager. It doesn't guarantee success of courses, although neither does knee-jerk change. But what we DO know is OG is part of the decision making, although some don't like to remember that they've read it.
Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will!) but OGs part in that selection process is, after agreeing the position we need to improve, selecting one of, we assume, several players that Burke has found? So when presented with Donkey 1, Donkey 2 or Leroy Lita he chooses Leroy Lita then whilst Oscar might well be 'right in the middle of the selection process' he is clearly not actually controlling it and therefore it can never be truly 'his' team!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claud59music[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]challster[/bold] wrote: Oscar is doing a great job! The system he is building is good. It might take players time to adjust esp new ones coming in, but just remember Rome wasn't built in a day. Think about it.. It's about time our nation became less predictable as a footballing team. I love our national team, but the only way we are going to do better is become more confident on the ball, and thus be more flexible when a formation can be changed mid game etc. Spain won the last World Cup.. Why? Because from school boy to adult, they are coached to enjoy their football, it starts with the 'tippy tappy' game - then the sharpness comes ! Can we not see that this is where we are going at brighton. Oscar came through the ranks of the great Barcelona.. Can we all not see that this is the ideal man to build our club? Look at where we are now. I've waited years for us to get back a ground to rival the goldstone, we now have it. Step 2, is now well and truly in place. Which is to build our team. It's happening.. Be patient .. In Oscar we trust. From a loyal northstand fan, of the goldstone and the Amex.[/p][/quote]It is amazing the number of fans who think that good footballers automatically become good managers. This is not the case and I think we are gradually finding this out with OG. This Albion team is quite boring to watch and have been for most of the season. Too slow and pedestrian yet the coach seems to have no idea how to rectify the situation. In OG we suffer![/p][/quote]If you can't significantly change the pig through a season, you can only put lipstick on it and hope.... But it'll still be a pig. "Rectifying the situation" is what the summer's for.[/p][/quote]In essence what your saying is that this entire season was always going to be a right off ! ,Oscar did not have a proper period of time over last summer ,so this season ,we should expect nothing and wait for the next ,thats a lot to ask ,and expect from paying fans ,even loyal Brighton fans . What will be the excuse next time ?.[/p][/quote]Tug, Like most of us, my opinion is based on the wonderful benefit of hindsight - so I'm certainly not pretending "I told you so" in terms of this season. I appreciate patience is a lot to ask of fans in general, but my view is that changing the manager/coach at the slightest suggestion of a downturn, is not the way forward. He should be given time to use his first full summer to maximum effect ands bring in players he feels are more suited to the system. As it stands, a full summer of preparation is the one hefty unknown with Oscar. Certainly, the list of possible 'excuses' lessen as time passes and yes, there may come a time when something needs to change. But not now, it's far too early and that's my point.[/p][/quote]Problem is we don't really know if OG will be signing his players! And I think that's a lot to do with the unrest with fans, there is no clarity in who is in charge .[/p][/quote]MBTS I don't wish to be rude (which means there's a chance it might seem that way, but it's not personal) but I do get frustrated with regular bouts of selective memory by people on here. At the end of the January transfer window, the club outlined quite clearly what the process for transfers was, - no doubt to silence the doubters - and they undeniably positioned OG right in the middle of the decision making process. Selective memory means you can be negative for the sake of it and pretend there is one, clinical solution to the club having the gall not to be in the top two. People also forget that if OG was being compromised, he has enough respect from football people across Europe not to be short of a job and could tell our lot to stuff it before going somewhere else. We're not exactly Barcelona and he doesn't need to be made to look a fool by Brighton & Hove Albion. It is a long-term process, we are currently not good enough and OG has a first full summer at his disposal to make some changes - albeit within a pay structure just like every other coach/manager. It doesn't guarantee success of courses, although neither does knee-jerk change. But what we DO know is OG is part of the decision making, although some don't like to remember that they've read it.[/p][/quote]Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure you will!) but OGs part in that selection process is, after agreeing the position we need to improve, selecting one of, we assume, several players that Burke has found? So when presented with Donkey 1, Donkey 2 or Leroy Lita he chooses Leroy Lita then whilst Oscar might well be 'right in the middle of the selection process' he is clearly not actually controlling it and therefore it can never be truly 'his' team! brighton bluenose
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9:17am Tue 8 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
oscar must go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
OMGo.
The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection.

Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year.

Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez.

TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in.

CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.
Vegas

Thanks for this.

I just look at the assets in terms of transfer values and worry that we have little on which we can cash in.

I see no value in re-engaging Hoskins as history tells us that we will not get 50% of a season from him and the last thing we need is another injury situation like this year with the playing budget available. CMS was an expensive signing so has to be worth persevering with.

When Oscar was engaged there were few alternative options with the potential legal process involving Poyet but there are plenty around now so nothing will persuade me that a new direction is not the answer.



Time will tell.
There are Managers, (not coaches), that I would prefer to see at the Amex, but I don't believe replacing Oscar has even been considered. That is why I want it to work for him, and why I'm trying to see ways that might be possible.
On the subject of recruiting players, a quick look at the pages of Wikipedia in recent seasons by the Management could have saved the Club enough money to pay off this year's £8m debt. There are player profiles which include career statistics and medical history.
It isn't rocket science!
The club have a far more extensive database of players than Wikipedia. I'm sure I read on Wikipedia that Chamakh was a decent player!
There have been several high risk signings over recent seasons.
There seems to be little evidence that the Club referred to their database when assessing if a player was likely to get any actual game time.
Signing any player is a gamble. Look at the amount that Spurs, Man Utd and Arsenal have made that haven't come off.
I was referring specifically to players with a history of injuries and other medical problems. Possibly I didn't make that clear.
On the other hand, would anyone who had done their research, sign a player on loan who was known to fans as 'Barn Door Billy'?
But BDB wasn't known by that epithet by anyone until we borrowed him, so there was nothing to find.

Still, we can't blame Burke for that signing as it pre-dated him.

Which brings me to the point about all the people on here saying we need a manager who can be in total control of players coming into the club. Gus was manager and he signed some absolute duffers - the list is too long to write here, but maybe he needed a DoF after all?
Barn Door Billy was his nickname at Leeds. Well documented.

Just because Gus signed some duffers is no indication that Oscar will.
Maybe Gus did need a DoF, that is no concern of ours in the current situation.
There is no valid reason why Oscar should not be given the opportunity to create his own team.
According to Google there is no mention of the phrase "Barn Door Billy" until October 2011, the same month he joined us. So if he was called that prior to his loan to us it is by no means widely documented.

Gus was more experienced in the signing of players that Oscar has ever been and he still made many, many duff signings. OG has given no indication he is interested in that side of the job, and indeed suggested quite the opposite when he joined.

He is a coach, let him coach!
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: OMGo. The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection. Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year. Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez. TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in. CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.[/p][/quote]Vegas Thanks for this. I just look at the assets in terms of transfer values and worry that we have little on which we can cash in. I see no value in re-engaging Hoskins as history tells us that we will not get 50% of a season from him and the last thing we need is another injury situation like this year with the playing budget available. CMS was an expensive signing so has to be worth persevering with. When Oscar was engaged there were few alternative options with the potential legal process involving Poyet but there are plenty around now so nothing will persuade me that a new direction is not the answer. Time will tell.[/p][/quote]There are Managers, (not coaches), that I would prefer to see at the Amex, but I don't believe replacing Oscar has even been considered. That is why I want it to work for him, and why I'm trying to see ways that might be possible. On the subject of recruiting players, a quick look at the pages of Wikipedia in recent seasons by the Management could have saved the Club enough money to pay off this year's £8m debt. There are player profiles which include career statistics and medical history. It isn't rocket science![/p][/quote]The club have a far more extensive database of players than Wikipedia. I'm sure I read on Wikipedia that Chamakh was a decent player![/p][/quote]There have been several high risk signings over recent seasons. There seems to be little evidence that the Club referred to their database when assessing if a player was likely to get any actual game time.[/p][/quote]Signing any player is a gamble. Look at the amount that Spurs, Man Utd and Arsenal have made that haven't come off.[/p][/quote]I was referring specifically to players with a history of injuries and other medical problems. Possibly I didn't make that clear. On the other hand, would anyone who had done their research, sign a player on loan who was known to fans as 'Barn Door Billy'?[/p][/quote]But BDB wasn't known by that epithet by anyone until we borrowed him, so there was nothing to find. Still, we can't blame Burke for that signing as it pre-dated him. Which brings me to the point about all the people on here saying we need a manager who can be in total control of players coming into the club. Gus was manager and he signed some absolute duffers - the list is too long to write here, but maybe he needed a DoF after all?[/p][/quote]Barn Door Billy was his nickname at Leeds. Well documented. Just because Gus signed some duffers is no indication that Oscar will. Maybe Gus did need a DoF, that is no concern of ours in the current situation. There is no valid reason why Oscar should not be given the opportunity to create his own team.[/p][/quote]According to Google there is no mention of the phrase "Barn Door Billy" until October 2011, the same month he joined us. So if he was called that prior to his loan to us it is by no means widely documented. Gus was more experienced in the signing of players that Oscar has ever been and he still made many, many duff signings. OG has given no indication he is interested in that side of the job, and indeed suggested quite the opposite when he joined. He is a coach, let him coach! Ex-pat Arnie
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11:55am Tue 8 Apr 14

Ringmer Rich says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
oscar must go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
OMGo.
The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection.

Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year.

Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez.

TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in.

CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.
Vegas

Thanks for this.

I just look at the assets in terms of transfer values and worry that we have little on which we can cash in.

I see no value in re-engaging Hoskins as history tells us that we will not get 50% of a season from him and the last thing we need is another injury situation like this year with the playing budget available. CMS was an expensive signing so has to be worth persevering with.

When Oscar was engaged there were few alternative options with the potential legal process involving Poyet but there are plenty around now so nothing will persuade me that a new direction is not the answer.



Time will tell.
There are Managers, (not coaches), that I would prefer to see at the Amex, but I don't believe replacing Oscar has even been considered. That is why I want it to work for him, and why I'm trying to see ways that might be possible.
On the subject of recruiting players, a quick look at the pages of Wikipedia in recent seasons by the Management could have saved the Club enough money to pay off this year's £8m debt. There are player profiles which include career statistics and medical history.
It isn't rocket science!
The club have a far more extensive database of players than Wikipedia. I'm sure I read on Wikipedia that Chamakh was a decent player!
There have been several high risk signings over recent seasons.
There seems to be little evidence that the Club referred to their database when assessing if a player was likely to get any actual game time.
Signing any player is a gamble. Look at the amount that Spurs, Man Utd and Arsenal have made that haven't come off.
I was referring specifically to players with a history of injuries and other medical problems. Possibly I didn't make that clear.
On the other hand, would anyone who had done their research, sign a player on loan who was known to fans as 'Barn Door Billy'?
But BDB wasn't known by that epithet by anyone until we borrowed him, so there was nothing to find.

Still, we can't blame Burke for that signing as it pre-dated him.

Which brings me to the point about all the people on here saying we need a manager who can be in total control of players coming into the club. Gus was manager and he signed some absolute duffers - the list is too long to write here, but maybe he needed a DoF after all?
Barn Door Billy was his nickname at Leeds. Well documented.

Just because Gus signed some duffers is no indication that Oscar will.
Maybe Gus did need a DoF, that is no concern of ours in the current situation.
There is no valid reason why Oscar should not be given the opportunity to create his own team.
According to Google there is no mention of the phrase "Barn Door Billy" until October 2011, the same month he joined us. So if he was called that prior to his loan to us it is by no means widely documented.

Gus was more experienced in the signing of players that Oscar has ever been and he still made many, many duff signings. OG has given no indication he is interested in that side of the job, and indeed suggested quite the opposite when he joined.

He is a coach, let him coach!
I think that Garcia has been outstanding in his first campaign, considering the difficulties and problems he has had to overcome. I would also like you to consider the lack of control he has over bringing in new players.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: OMGo. The players that I feel have a real value (on the park) are those that are not just good, but are more often than not available for selection. Upson for me has been a star this year, he would get my vote for player of the season. Ward, even if only on loan, has more than proven his worth. JFC is a work in progress, I think he will come good in the near future. Solly, Ince and Stephens are all good enough for the division we are currently in and again I think they will improve. No need to comment on Ulloa. I think Dunk is geting back to form and will figure more next year. Those I have doubts or real concerns about are, Bruno, Greer, Buckley, Orllandi, Augustien, Rodriguez and Lopez. TK, if a prem club want him, will go and Ankergren can go with him. Maybe time for Walton to take second or third place in the keeper pecking order along with Brz, new number one to come in. CMS and Hoskins, I htink they should be given a chance and decide what happens to them come the winter window of next year.[/p][/quote]Vegas Thanks for this. I just look at the assets in terms of transfer values and worry that we have little on which we can cash in. I see no value in re-engaging Hoskins as history tells us that we will not get 50% of a season from him and the last thing we need is another injury situation like this year with the playing budget available. CMS was an expensive signing so has to be worth persevering with. When Oscar was engaged there were few alternative options with the potential legal process involving Poyet but there are plenty around now so nothing will persuade me that a new direction is not the answer. Time will tell.[/p][/quote]There are Managers, (not coaches), that I would prefer to see at the Amex, but I don't believe replacing Oscar has even been considered. That is why I want it to work for him, and why I'm trying to see ways that might be possible. On the subject of recruiting players, a quick look at the pages of Wikipedia in recent seasons by the Management could have saved the Club enough money to pay off this year's £8m debt. There are player profiles which include career statistics and medical history. It isn't rocket science![/p][/quote]The club have a far more extensive database of players than Wikipedia. I'm sure I read on Wikipedia that Chamakh was a decent player![/p][/quote]There have been several high risk signings over recent seasons. There seems to be little evidence that the Club referred to their database when assessing if a player was likely to get any actual game time.[/p][/quote]Signing any player is a gamble. Look at the amount that Spurs, Man Utd and Arsenal have made that haven't come off.[/p][/quote]I was referring specifically to players with a history of injuries and other medical problems. Possibly I didn't make that clear. On the other hand, would anyone who had done their research, sign a player on loan who was known to fans as 'Barn Door Billy'?[/p][/quote]But BDB wasn't known by that epithet by anyone until we borrowed him, so there was nothing to find. Still, we can't blame Burke for that signing as it pre-dated him. Which brings me to the point about all the people on here saying we need a manager who can be in total control of players coming into the club. Gus was manager and he signed some absolute duffers - the list is too long to write here, but maybe he needed a DoF after all?[/p][/quote]Barn Door Billy was his nickname at Leeds. Well documented. Just because Gus signed some duffers is no indication that Oscar will. Maybe Gus did need a DoF, that is no concern of ours in the current situation. There is no valid reason why Oscar should not be given the opportunity to create his own team.[/p][/quote]According to Google there is no mention of the phrase "Barn Door Billy" until October 2011, the same month he joined us. So if he was called that prior to his loan to us it is by no means widely documented. Gus was more experienced in the signing of players that Oscar has ever been and he still made many, many duff signings. OG has given no indication he is interested in that side of the job, and indeed suggested quite the opposite when he joined. He is a coach, let him coach![/p][/quote]I think that Garcia has been outstanding in his first campaign, considering the difficulties and problems he has had to overcome. I would also like you to consider the lack of control he has over bringing in new players. Ringmer Rich
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