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Oscar: Injury-hit Albion squad has not been deep enough to be in top six

The Argus: Oscar Garcia Oscar Garcia

Albion boss Oscar Garcia believes the squad has not been deep enough to get into the top six.

The Seagulls could climb into the play-off zone if they beat Charlton at the Amex tomorrow, as Reading are not in action until Monday at home to Leicester.

Albion have been in the top ten since early December but in the top six only for a week in January.

Oscar will again be without the injured Will Buckley and Andrea Orlandi, who contributed 15 goals and 19 assists between them under Gus Poyet last season.

He said: "We are a good side and we can beat any team in this league but when we have to compete over a long season with a lot of games you have to have a deeper squad and we don't have that.

"With a deeper squad I am sure we would be in the play-off positions but now we have what we have and we are fighting with other big teams."

Albion and the other 23 Championship clubs met with the Football League in London this week to discuss proposed changes to Financial Fair Play regulations.

The main topic of debate was the advantage handed to clubs relegated from the Premier League by a £12 million increase in parachute payments to £60 million over four years since FFP was introduced.

QPR, Wigan and Reading, the three clubs relegated last season, are all currently in the top six.

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6:28am Fri 11 Apr 14

Jonathan Mouette says...

Yet another hint that things are not all they should be behind the scenes and yet more credence to the rumours that OG may consider offers from elsewhere. I recently had the opportunity to ask Barber who controlled transfers at the club and he made it abundantly clear that Burke dealt with all transfers along with Mervyn Day and his team (?)... It is fairly clear that Garcia is less than impressed by their results. Of course the suits at the club will claim and blame FFP for all their woes and shortcomings - I trust they will nevertheless stand firm against the high spending clubs and ensure that those who have chosen to ignore FFP will be suitably and severely punished. Anything less will be a betrayal of the club, the players and of course us, the fans.

Let's really punish Charlton tomorrow and send a clear message to Reading. Incidentally, I hope Nigel Pearson will sort out his Foxes after that lamentable performance on Tuesday night (ha! ha!) and play the Royals off the park. UTA...!
Yet another hint that things are not all they should be behind the scenes and yet more credence to the rumours that OG may consider offers from elsewhere. I recently had the opportunity to ask Barber who controlled transfers at the club and he made it abundantly clear that Burke dealt with all transfers along with Mervyn Day and his team (?)... It is fairly clear that Garcia is less than impressed by their results. Of course the suits at the club will claim and blame FFP for all their woes and shortcomings - I trust they will nevertheless stand firm against the high spending clubs and ensure that those who have chosen to ignore FFP will be suitably and severely punished. Anything less will be a betrayal of the club, the players and of course us, the fans. Let's really punish Charlton tomorrow and send a clear message to Reading. Incidentally, I hope Nigel Pearson will sort out his Foxes after that lamentable performance on Tuesday night (ha! ha!) and play the Royals off the park. UTA...! Jonathan Mouette
  • Score: 24

6:31am Fri 11 Apr 14

saraman says...

Lots of mind games going on here between OG and the players methinks.
Lots of mind games going on here between OG and the players methinks. saraman
  • Score: 3

6:36am Fri 11 Apr 14

rusty dave says...

Really - Explain Burnley's high position then O G !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Really - Explain Burnley's high position then O G !!!!!!!!!!!!! rusty dave
  • Score: 9

6:47am Fri 11 Apr 14

Albion In Staffs says...

rusty dave wrote:
Really - Explain Burnley's high position then O G !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Up until the last few weeks, injury free and a settled side. Og's words and your Burnley example, re-affirm my own thinking that we've a good team but an average squad.
In my opinion, OG is right and the fact he's uttered it in public is revealing. Either he's using public utterance as a pressure point with the execs, or as a motivating tactic with players for the final push... Or both.
[quote][p][bold]rusty dave[/bold] wrote: Really - Explain Burnley's high position then O G !!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Up until the last few weeks, injury free and a settled side. Og's words and your Burnley example, re-affirm my own thinking that we've a good team but an average squad. In my opinion, OG is right and the fact he's uttered it in public is revealing. Either he's using public utterance as a pressure point with the execs, or as a motivating tactic with players for the final push... Or both. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 9

7:08am Fri 11 Apr 14

Grendel says...

Shades of Poyet, but understated. We need the money that promotion to the Premier League would give us, in order to build a squad strong enough to get us promoted to the Premier League. Catch 22.
Shades of Poyet, but understated. We need the money that promotion to the Premier League would give us, in order to build a squad strong enough to get us promoted to the Premier League. Catch 22. Grendel
  • Score: 11

7:19am Fri 11 Apr 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

Come on Oscar we've just beaten the leaders and now you go on a downer! Why can't he just smile and be happy, goodness me even the seagull on his jacket has probably got a downturned beak. Now is not the time for gripes, tomorrow we could be in the playoffs.
Come on Oscar we've just beaten the leaders and now you go on a downer! Why can't he just smile and be happy, goodness me even the seagull on his jacket has probably got a downturned beak. Now is not the time for gripes, tomorrow we could be in the playoffs. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 7

7:26am Fri 11 Apr 14

Aye Aye says...

The conspiracy theorists will doubtless go to town on this one but the fact that our inconsistency has, in the most part, stemmed from a significant injury list would suggest that OG is right: we don't have enough depth in the squad. The so-called "suits" will not be oblivious to it and, for sure, discussions will have taken place. Unlike GP, I have not heard OG say that he'll depart the club if he can't get a decent player budget. In this particular article, there's nothing to suggest anything other than the lack of depth has been an issue and, for now, we have to deal with it. I'm prepared to wait until the end of the season to see what we do in the transfer market, regardless of what division we're playing in, and then take a view. For me, OG is our man - if we lose him, I will have to reconsider my erstwhile high opinion of the senior management team (the "suits") and may even join in with the ne'er sayers. For now, I'm still positive and feeling great about being an Albion support who's relishing taking his seat at the game tomorrow.

UTA!!
The conspiracy theorists will doubtless go to town on this one but the fact that our inconsistency has, in the most part, stemmed from a significant injury list would suggest that OG is right: we don't have enough depth in the squad. The so-called "suits" will not be oblivious to it and, for sure, discussions will have taken place. Unlike GP, I have not heard OG say that he'll depart the club if he can't get a decent player budget. In this particular article, there's nothing to suggest anything other than the lack of depth has been an issue and, for now, we have to deal with it. I'm prepared to wait until the end of the season to see what we do in the transfer market, regardless of what division we're playing in, and then take a view. For me, OG is our man - if we lose him, I will have to reconsider my erstwhile high opinion of the senior management team (the "suits") and may even join in with the ne'er sayers. For now, I'm still positive and feeling great about being an Albion support who's relishing taking his seat at the game tomorrow. UTA!! Aye Aye
  • Score: 11

7:36am Fri 11 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Let's look at the facts, for a large part of the season around 10 games we had one fit striker,
Barnes missed 4 games, Leo a ban for 3 games , then missed 7 foot injury,
These types of problems are normal ... We then sell Barnes who we knew was going 6 months before!! And no striker was signed PRIOR to him going.
That's pretty poor for a club with promotion aspirations.
Since jan we have 3 centre halves, again crazy situation .
Basically OG is spot on, what I find weird is why the comments now?
Let's look at the facts, for a large part of the season around 10 games we had one fit striker, Barnes missed 4 games, Leo a ban for 3 games , then missed 7 foot injury, These types of problems are normal ... We then sell Barnes who we knew was going 6 months before!! And no striker was signed PRIOR to him going. That's pretty poor for a club with promotion aspirations. Since jan we have 3 centre halves, again crazy situation . Basically OG is spot on, what I find weird is why the comments now? mark by the sea
  • Score: 19

7:48am Fri 11 Apr 14

fansunited says...

The standard of football in the championship this season is no where near as good as last season. If we had played like this last season we would be down the bottom. If we had played like we did last season we would be top. Any team that gets promoted from this league will struggle in the PL unless they spend lots of money, cos none of the top six are good enough!
The standard of football in the championship this season is no where near as good as last season. If we had played like this last season we would be down the bottom. If we had played like we did last season we would be top. Any team that gets promoted from this league will struggle in the PL unless they spend lots of money, cos none of the top six are good enough! fansunited
  • Score: -8

7:49am Fri 11 Apr 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Let's look at the facts, for a large part of the season around 10 games we had one fit striker,
Barnes missed 4 games, Leo a ban for 3 games , then missed 7 foot injury,
These types of problems are normal ... We then sell Barnes who we knew was going 6 months before!! And no striker was signed PRIOR to him going.
That's pretty poor for a club with promotion aspirations.
Since jan we have 3 centre halves, again crazy situation .
Basically OG is spot on, what I find weird is why the comments now?
For me, it's the nearest we've had (and may well get in the foreseeable future) to anything like a follow up on the Daily Mail story earlier this week. And my conspiracy theory is that OG has used a question from The Argus to turn the screw on the execs a little more. It means people like us then extend the discussion and turn it into a bigger talking point.
I agree with you that he's absolutely correct in what he says and he's probably got to a point, as GP possibly did, whereby he's banging his head against a brick wall internally. So with the end of season approaching, there's a bit of posturing going - a more subtle version of 'sort it' or I'm off'??.
Add to that, if you were in his position, why would you continue to sit back and put up with fans thinking it was all his fault and that he's nothing more than a lap dog?
Behind the languid exterior, clearly there's a sharp cookie.....
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Let's look at the facts, for a large part of the season around 10 games we had one fit striker, Barnes missed 4 games, Leo a ban for 3 games , then missed 7 foot injury, These types of problems are normal ... We then sell Barnes who we knew was going 6 months before!! And no striker was signed PRIOR to him going. That's pretty poor for a club with promotion aspirations. Since jan we have 3 centre halves, again crazy situation . Basically OG is spot on, what I find weird is why the comments now?[/p][/quote]For me, it's the nearest we've had (and may well get in the foreseeable future) to anything like a follow up on the Daily Mail story earlier this week. And my conspiracy theory is that OG has used a question from The Argus to turn the screw on the execs a little more. It means people like us then extend the discussion and turn it into a bigger talking point. I agree with you that he's absolutely correct in what he says and he's probably got to a point, as GP possibly did, whereby he's banging his head against a brick wall internally. So with the end of season approaching, there's a bit of posturing going - a more subtle version of 'sort it' or I'm off'??. Add to that, if you were in his position, why would you continue to sit back and put up with fans thinking it was all his fault and that he's nothing more than a lap dog? Behind the languid exterior, clearly there's a sharp cookie..... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 13

7:52am Fri 11 Apr 14

Neville1973 says...

despite what is being hinted/said by Oscar I hope that he stays and finishes the job but he needs to control or at least have more influence over the transfers, I do not think that Burke and his team are delivering the sort of players or to be honest even delivering any players, look at Grabban what we could have done with his goals? I would be surprised if we go up this season, if we manage the play offs then I believe that Wigan have the momentum and the team to finish the job. we need to keep Oscar no matter what and add a few good signings early in the summer. There is no secret that both Leicester and Burnley have had the most stable summer and consistent set up adding only a few players keeping the nucleus of the squad. UTA
despite what is being hinted/said by Oscar I hope that he stays and finishes the job but he needs to control or at least have more influence over the transfers, I do not think that Burke and his team are delivering the sort of players or to be honest even delivering any players, look at Grabban what we could have done with his goals? I would be surprised if we go up this season, if we manage the play offs then I believe that Wigan have the momentum and the team to finish the job. we need to keep Oscar no matter what and add a few good signings early in the summer. There is no secret that both Leicester and Burnley have had the most stable summer and consistent set up adding only a few players keeping the nucleus of the squad. UTA Neville1973
  • Score: 6

8:03am Fri 11 Apr 14

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

Oscar is saying this now, before the outcome is known, that he will be pulling off a minor miracle in getting Albion into the play-offs, or the target was unrealistic with the squad he had available. Covering his backside both ways, in effect. Obviously not a happy bunny and it doesn't sound promising.
Oscar is saying this now, before the outcome is known, that he will be pulling off a minor miracle in getting Albion into the play-offs, or the target was unrealistic with the squad he had available. Covering his backside both ways, in effect. Obviously not a happy bunny and it doesn't sound promising. Willie, Willie Irvine
  • Score: 2

8:04am Fri 11 Apr 14

heathgate says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Let's look at the facts, for a large part of the season around 10 games we had one fit striker,
Barnes missed 4 games, Leo a ban for 3 games , then missed 7 foot injury,
These types of problems are normal ... We then sell Barnes who we knew was going 6 months before!! And no striker was signed PRIOR to him going.
That's pretty poor for a club with promotion aspirations.
Since jan we have 3 centre halves, again crazy situation .
Basically OG is spot on, what I find weird is why the comments now?
He comments now because a journalist has asked him a flippin question about squad depth and budgets compared with our rivals........ssimpl
e really.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Let's look at the facts, for a large part of the season around 10 games we had one fit striker, Barnes missed 4 games, Leo a ban for 3 games , then missed 7 foot injury, These types of problems are normal ... We then sell Barnes who we knew was going 6 months before!! And no striker was signed PRIOR to him going. That's pretty poor for a club with promotion aspirations. Since jan we have 3 centre halves, again crazy situation . Basically OG is spot on, what I find weird is why the comments now?[/p][/quote]He comments now because a journalist has asked him a flippin question about squad depth and budgets compared with our rivals........ssimpl e really. heathgate
  • Score: 12

8:13am Fri 11 Apr 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:
Oscar is saying this now, before the outcome is known, that he will be pulling off a minor miracle in getting Albion into the play-offs, or the target was unrealistic with the squad he had available. Covering his backside both ways, in effect. Obviously not a happy bunny and it doesn't sound promising.
Agreed.
I don't think the Chairman & CEO can countenance losing a second manager/coach in less than12 months who plays 'our' way, so their focus will have to be on how to restore balance as opposed to imposing more of the same on OG.
A power struggle beginning to get gently played out in public.
[quote][p][bold]Willie, Willie Irvine[/bold] wrote: Oscar is saying this now, before the outcome is known, that he will be pulling off a minor miracle in getting Albion into the play-offs, or the target was unrealistic with the squad he had available. Covering his backside both ways, in effect. Obviously not a happy bunny and it doesn't sound promising.[/p][/quote]Agreed. I don't think the Chairman & CEO can countenance losing a second manager/coach in less than12 months who plays 'our' way, so their focus will have to be on how to restore balance as opposed to imposing more of the same on OG. A power struggle beginning to get gently played out in public. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 3

8:21am Fri 11 Apr 14

bbb1969 says...

Headline states OG says squas is not deep enough for playoffs; his actual words is that it has not been deep enough as only got into the top 6 once.
Clearly OG is not happy with some of the players signed; Augustien being a good example but equally he has not played players that he did have available; March, Lua Lua, Stephens.
So do we have a good squad ...yes; Are we good enough for the play offs....yes.
If players are fit and want to play then there is no need to rest them; our back 5 and Ulloa have been more or less the same except for the odd ban or injury. We have an abundance of wingers and midfielders but we have to play the ones like Tuesday. Ince maybe for Andrews based on consistency although when Andrews has a good game then it really shows.
As someone mentioned before, Burnley seem to have done alright and I cant say if we compared our players to theirs that they have better ones.

I am happy to get a decent finish this year but what we dont want at this crucial time is public comments that suggest OG is not entirely happy; how does this help the players, the club or the fans.
Headline states OG says squas is not deep enough for playoffs; his actual words is that it has not been deep enough as only got into the top 6 once. Clearly OG is not happy with some of the players signed; Augustien being a good example but equally he has not played players that he did have available; March, Lua Lua, Stephens. So do we have a good squad ...yes; Are we good enough for the play offs....yes. If players are fit and want to play then there is no need to rest them; our back 5 and Ulloa have been more or less the same except for the odd ban or injury. We have an abundance of wingers and midfielders but we have to play the ones like Tuesday. Ince maybe for Andrews based on consistency although when Andrews has a good game then it really shows. As someone mentioned before, Burnley seem to have done alright and I cant say if we compared our players to theirs that they have better ones. I am happy to get a decent finish this year but what we dont want at this crucial time is public comments that suggest OG is not entirely happy; how does this help the players, the club or the fans. bbb1969
  • Score: 7

8:24am Fri 11 Apr 14

hannover seagull says...

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Yet another hint that things are not all they should be behind the scenes and yet more credence to the rumours that OG may consider offers from elsewhere. I recently had the opportunity to ask Barber who controlled transfers at the club and he made it abundantly clear that Burke dealt with all transfers along with Mervyn Day and his team (?)... It is fairly clear that Garcia is less than impressed by their results. Of course the suits at the club will claim and blame FFP for all their woes and shortcomings - I trust they will nevertheless stand firm against the high spending clubs and ensure that those who have chosen to ignore FFP will be suitably and severely punished. Anything less will be a betrayal of the club, the players and of course us, the fans.

Let's really punish Charlton tomorrow and send a clear message to Reading. Incidentally, I hope Nigel Pearson will sort out his Foxes after that lamentable performance on Tuesday night (ha! ha!) and play the Royals off the park. UTA...!
Excellent post
Its very easy to hide behind the FPP ruling if all goes Pete Tong
Got to stuff Charlton on Saturday

UTA......
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Yet another hint that things are not all they should be behind the scenes and yet more credence to the rumours that OG may consider offers from elsewhere. I recently had the opportunity to ask Barber who controlled transfers at the club and he made it abundantly clear that Burke dealt with all transfers along with Mervyn Day and his team (?)... It is fairly clear that Garcia is less than impressed by their results. Of course the suits at the club will claim and blame FFP for all their woes and shortcomings - I trust they will nevertheless stand firm against the high spending clubs and ensure that those who have chosen to ignore FFP will be suitably and severely punished. Anything less will be a betrayal of the club, the players and of course us, the fans. Let's really punish Charlton tomorrow and send a clear message to Reading. Incidentally, I hope Nigel Pearson will sort out his Foxes after that lamentable performance on Tuesday night (ha! ha!) and play the Royals off the park. UTA...![/p][/quote]Excellent post Its very easy to hide behind the FPP ruling if all goes Pete Tong Got to stuff Charlton on Saturday UTA...... hannover seagull
  • Score: 6

8:25am Fri 11 Apr 14

gilbertthecat says...

These stories always seem to be pulled out from longer interviews and published in isolation. It's easy to interpret the quotes in different ways, especially when the overall context of the (unpublished) question is not known. I can't get excited about comments like this either way. I read a long contribution last night on NSC that made some good thoguht provoking points. One such point is that OG would have had discussions with TB and he would have had to buy in to the whole long term plan for development into the PL rather than a dash for cash. The idea that OG thought the club would spend it's way to the PL is ridiculous, especially if he did even the slightest research into the club's recent history and the manner of the departure of his predecessor.

Perhaps he's just saying that with the number of injuries we've carried, over a long season, the depth within the squad hasn't been deep enough, and I think he'd be right. If there hadn't been the injuries the depth of available squad players would have been better and the position in the table perhaps within top 6. The point is we're very close considering what's gone on and that's no bad thing at all.

Will OG go somewhere else? Only if he gets an offer from a Prem club that's worthwhile to him - but he's unproven in the English game let alone the PL and lacks a long term track record elsewhere. Before anyone says 'Maccabi Tel Aviv' - that's not long term, it was one season that showed he has potential. We also need to remember he has a long contract with this club and I don't see anything from the club that suggests they are about to show OG where the exit door is.

OG and the team will all still be here at 1507 tomorrow and I for one look forward to seeing them.
These stories always seem to be pulled out from longer interviews and published in isolation. It's easy to interpret the quotes in different ways, especially when the overall context of the (unpublished) question is not known. I can't get excited about comments like this either way. I read a long contribution last night on NSC that made some good thoguht provoking points. One such point is that OG would have had discussions with TB and he would have had to buy in to the whole long term plan for development into the PL rather than a dash for cash. The idea that OG thought the club would spend it's way to the PL is ridiculous, especially if he did even the slightest research into the club's recent history and the manner of the departure of his predecessor. Perhaps he's just saying that with the number of injuries we've carried, over a long season, the depth within the squad hasn't been deep enough, and I think he'd be right. If there hadn't been the injuries the depth of available squad players would have been better and the position in the table perhaps within top 6. The point is we're very close considering what's gone on and that's no bad thing at all. Will OG go somewhere else? Only if he gets an offer from a Prem club that's worthwhile to him - but he's unproven in the English game let alone the PL and lacks a long term track record elsewhere. Before anyone says 'Maccabi Tel Aviv' - that's not long term, it was one season that showed he has potential. We also need to remember he has a long contract with this club and I don't see anything from the club that suggests they are about to show OG where the exit door is. OG and the team will all still be here at 1507 tomorrow and I for one look forward to seeing them. gilbertthecat
  • Score: 16

8:28am Fri 11 Apr 14

elljam says...

He's starting to sound like a broken record
It's either the other teams have bigger budgets, we always miss lots of (imaginary) chances & now the squad isn't deep enough. I don't hear Mick McCarthy, Eddie Howe or Sean Dyche harping on about budgets every 5 minutes.
Sometimes the fella may have a valid point but to my mind, the majority of the time he's getting in the excuses to cover his a***.
It would be nice to occasionally hear him say "I could have done better"
No wonder that face looks so miserable with all of these negative thoughts in his head.
Talk about glass half empty.
He's starting to sound like a broken record It's either the other teams have bigger budgets, we always miss lots of (imaginary) chances & now the squad isn't deep enough. I don't hear Mick McCarthy, Eddie Howe or Sean Dyche harping on about budgets every 5 minutes. Sometimes the fella may have a valid point but to my mind, the majority of the time he's getting in the excuses to cover his a***. It would be nice to occasionally hear him say "I could have done better" No wonder that face looks so miserable with all of these negative thoughts in his head. Talk about glass half empty. elljam
  • Score: -17

8:30am Fri 11 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

Quit then and take Jones with you and then maybe the powers that be will overhaul things. Burke and Day + a lot of their team of 20 must go too.

There are so many " premier league ready" managers available right now so let's go and get one. Another close season wasted is not good enough.
Quit then and take Jones with you and then maybe the powers that be will overhaul things. Burke and Day + a lot of their team of 20 must go too. There are so many " premier league ready" managers available right now so let's go and get one. Another close season wasted is not good enough. oscar must go
  • Score: -23

8:30am Fri 11 Apr 14

gilbertthecat says...

Forgot 2 other words "Managing expectations."
Forgot 2 other words "Managing expectations." gilbertthecat
  • Score: 1

8:30am Fri 11 Apr 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Neville1973 says...

despite what is being hinted/said by Oscar I hope that he stays and finishes the job but he needs to control or at least have more influence over the transfers, I do not think that Burke and his team are delivering the sort of players or to be honest even delivering any players, look at Grabban what we could have done with his goals? I would be surprised if we go up this season, if we manage the play offs then I believe that Wigan have the momentum and the team to finish the job. we need to keep Oscar no matter what and add a few good signings early in the summer. There is no secret that both Leicester and Burnley have had the most stable summer and consistent set up adding only a few players keeping the nucleus of the squad. UTA.

Crystal P...... certainly didn't have any momentum at the end of last season. In fact their form was awful. They still went up though. Momentum, form or anything else are irrelevant - the play offs are a lottery.
Neville1973 says... despite what is being hinted/said by Oscar I hope that he stays and finishes the job but he needs to control or at least have more influence over the transfers, I do not think that Burke and his team are delivering the sort of players or to be honest even delivering any players, look at Grabban what we could have done with his goals? I would be surprised if we go up this season, if we manage the play offs then I believe that Wigan have the momentum and the team to finish the job. we need to keep Oscar no matter what and add a few good signings early in the summer. There is no secret that both Leicester and Burnley have had the most stable summer and consistent set up adding only a few players keeping the nucleus of the squad. UTA. Crystal P...... certainly didn't have any momentum at the end of last season. In fact their form was awful. They still went up though. Momentum, form or anything else are irrelevant - the play offs are a lottery. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 12

8:43am Fri 11 Apr 14

wenners says...

Oh come on Oscar. Yes, it may be true that we don't have the depth , but your using this to cover your own shortfalls as a manager.
Its him that has been setting the team up defensively all season…its him thats set our boring style of play all season…its him thats only played with two wingers once all season…its him that plays with a lone striker and no support from midfield.
The players have looked lost in recent weeks, and i believe Tuesdays result was a case of player power..( Leo alluded to it this week). They had had enough .
Oscar has many shortfalls as a manager , but being in denial and making excuses seem to come easy .
Oh come on Oscar. Yes, it may be true that we don't have the depth , but your using this to cover your own shortfalls as a manager. Its him that has been setting the team up defensively all season…its him thats set our boring style of play all season…its him thats only played with two wingers once all season…its him that plays with a lone striker and no support from midfield. The players have looked lost in recent weeks, and i believe Tuesdays result was a case of player power..( Leo alluded to it this week). They had had enough . Oscar has many shortfalls as a manager , but being in denial and making excuses seem to come easy . wenners
  • Score: -5

8:50am Fri 11 Apr 14

Albion In Staffs says...

gilbertthecat wrote:
Forgot 2 other words "Managing expectations."
Yep.
It's also the first time we've seen the spotlight potentially moving to those above. While the leadership has regularly been questioned on here, there's always been a feeling of calm governance that's emanated from the club itself and GP ham-fisted, bull-dozer approach 12 months ago, allowed them to take the high ground. If it's 'same issues, different bloke' it won't be so easy this time round...
[quote][p][bold]gilbertthecat[/bold] wrote: Forgot 2 other words "Managing expectations."[/p][/quote]Yep. It's also the first time we've seen the spotlight potentially moving to those above. While the leadership has regularly been questioned on here, there's always been a feeling of calm governance that's emanated from the club itself and GP ham-fisted, bull-dozer approach 12 months ago, allowed them to take the high ground. If it's 'same issues, different bloke' it won't be so easy this time round... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

8:50am Fri 11 Apr 14

Newhavenles says...

Can anyone tell me why we seem to be kicking off at 15-07
Can anyone tell me why we seem to be kicking off at 15-07 Newhavenles
  • Score: -3

8:55am Fri 11 Apr 14

gilbertthecat says...

Newhavenles wrote:
Can anyone tell me why we seem to be kicking off at 15-07
Hillsborough memorial.
[quote][p][bold]Newhavenles[/bold] wrote: Can anyone tell me why we seem to be kicking off at 15-07[/p][/quote]Hillsborough memorial. gilbertthecat
  • Score: 3

8:57am Fri 11 Apr 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

wenners says...

Oh come on Oscar. Yes, it may be true that we don't have the depth , but your using this to cover your own shortfalls as a manager.
Its him that has been setting the team up defensively all season…its him thats set our boring style of play all season…its him thats only played with two wingers once all season…its him that plays with a lone striker and no support from midfield.
The players have looked lost in recent weeks, and i believe Tuesdays result was a case of player power..( Leo alluded to it this week). They had had enough .
Oscar has many shortfalls as a manager , but being in denial and making excuses seem to come easy .

Tripe. We're 7th in the table with an excellent chance of at least making the play offs and you can do is come on here and slag off the head coach - who incidentally is not the 'manager'. You are a troll and a numpty who should crawl back under your rock asap
wenners says... Oh come on Oscar. Yes, it may be true that we don't have the depth , but your using this to cover your own shortfalls as a manager. Its him that has been setting the team up defensively all season…its him thats set our boring style of play all season…its him thats only played with two wingers once all season…its him that plays with a lone striker and no support from midfield. The players have looked lost in recent weeks, and i believe Tuesdays result was a case of player power..( Leo alluded to it this week). They had had enough . Oscar has many shortfalls as a manager , but being in denial and making excuses seem to come easy . Tripe. We're 7th in the table with an excellent chance of at least making the play offs and you can do is come on here and slag off the head coach - who incidentally is not the 'manager'. You are a troll and a numpty who should crawl back under your rock asap B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 5

9:05am Fri 11 Apr 14

wenners says...

gilbertthecat wrote:
Newhavenles wrote:
Can anyone tell me why we seem to be kicking off at 15-07
Hillsborough memorial.
All games on Saturday are kicking off at 3.07 to remember the Hillsborough disaster. A minutes silence at 3.06 !
[quote][p][bold]gilbertthecat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newhavenles[/bold] wrote: Can anyone tell me why we seem to be kicking off at 15-07[/p][/quote]Hillsborough memorial.[/p][/quote]All games on Saturday are kicking off at 3.07 to remember the Hillsborough disaster. A minutes silence at 3.06 ! wenners
  • Score: 1

9:08am Fri 11 Apr 14

wenners says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
wenners says...

Oh come on Oscar. Yes, it may be true that we don't have the depth , but your using this to cover your own shortfalls as a manager.
Its him that has been setting the team up defensively all season…its him thats set our boring style of play all season…its him thats only played with two wingers once all season…its him that plays with a lone striker and no support from midfield.
The players have looked lost in recent weeks, and i believe Tuesdays result was a case of player power..( Leo alluded to it this week). They had had enough .
Oscar has many shortfalls as a manager , but being in denial and making excuses seem to come easy .

Tripe. We're 7th in the table with an excellent chance of at least making the play offs and you can do is come on here and slag off the head coach - who incidentally is not the 'manager'. You are a troll and a numpty who should crawl back under your rock asap
I can assure you i am not a troll….im a fan of this football club since 1966, so . like many here have opinions and we all can have those . And your correct , he's Head Coach not manager. But i suggest not a very good head coach then ! I am certainly not a numpty and if you'd like to meet for a beer some time you would find that out.
Anyway…..im not the one that started this. It was our 'head coach' !
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: wenners says... Oh come on Oscar. Yes, it may be true that we don't have the depth , but your using this to cover your own shortfalls as a manager. Its him that has been setting the team up defensively all season…its him thats set our boring style of play all season…its him thats only played with two wingers once all season…its him that plays with a lone striker and no support from midfield. The players have looked lost in recent weeks, and i believe Tuesdays result was a case of player power..( Leo alluded to it this week). They had had enough . Oscar has many shortfalls as a manager , but being in denial and making excuses seem to come easy . Tripe. We're 7th in the table with an excellent chance of at least making the play offs and you can do is come on here and slag off the head coach - who incidentally is not the 'manager'. You are a troll and a numpty who should crawl back under your rock asap[/p][/quote]I can assure you i am not a troll….im a fan of this football club since 1966, so . like many here have opinions and we all can have those . And your correct , he's Head Coach not manager. But i suggest not a very good head coach then ! I am certainly not a numpty and if you'd like to meet for a beer some time you would find that out. Anyway…..im not the one that started this. It was our 'head coach' ! wenners
  • Score: 1

9:40am Fri 11 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

wenners wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
wenners says...

Oh come on Oscar. Yes, it may be true that we don't have the depth , but your using this to cover your own shortfalls as a manager.
Its him that has been setting the team up defensively all season…its him thats set our boring style of play all season…its him thats only played with two wingers once all season…its him that plays with a lone striker and no support from midfield.
The players have looked lost in recent weeks, and i believe Tuesdays result was a case of player power..( Leo alluded to it this week). They had had enough .
Oscar has many shortfalls as a manager , but being in denial and making excuses seem to come easy .

Tripe. We're 7th in the table with an excellent chance of at least making the play offs and you can do is come on here and slag off the head coach - who incidentally is not the 'manager'. You are a troll and a numpty who should crawl back under your rock asap
I can assure you i am not a troll….im a fan of this football club since 1966, so . like many here have opinions and we all can have those . And your correct , he's Head Coach not manager. But i suggest not a very good head coach then ! I am certainly not a numpty and if you'd like to meet for a beer some time you would find that out.
Anyway…..im not the one that started this. It was our 'head coach' !
Spot on Wenners!!!
[quote][p][bold]wenners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: wenners says... Oh come on Oscar. Yes, it may be true that we don't have the depth , but your using this to cover your own shortfalls as a manager. Its him that has been setting the team up defensively all season…its him thats set our boring style of play all season…its him thats only played with two wingers once all season…its him that plays with a lone striker and no support from midfield. The players have looked lost in recent weeks, and i believe Tuesdays result was a case of player power..( Leo alluded to it this week). They had had enough . Oscar has many shortfalls as a manager , but being in denial and making excuses seem to come easy . Tripe. We're 7th in the table with an excellent chance of at least making the play offs and you can do is come on here and slag off the head coach - who incidentally is not the 'manager'. You are a troll and a numpty who should crawl back under your rock asap[/p][/quote]I can assure you i am not a troll….im a fan of this football club since 1966, so . like many here have opinions and we all can have those . And your correct , he's Head Coach not manager. But i suggest not a very good head coach then ! I am certainly not a numpty and if you'd like to meet for a beer some time you would find that out. Anyway…..im not the one that started this. It was our 'head coach' ![/p][/quote]Spot on Wenners!!! oscar must go
  • Score: 0

9:47am Fri 11 Apr 14

pablobrowno says...

wenners wrote:
Oh come on Oscar. Yes, it may be true that we don't have the depth , but your using this to cover your own shortfalls as a manager.
Its him that has been setting the team up defensively all season…its him thats set our boring style of play all season…its him thats only played with two wingers once all season…its him that plays with a lone striker and no support from midfield.
The players have looked lost in recent weeks, and i believe Tuesdays result was a case of player power..( Leo alluded to it this week). They had had enough .
Oscar has many shortfalls as a manager , but being in denial and making excuses seem to come easy .
Wholeheartedly disagree. You believe a sort of player 'revolt' let to us playing a different way and battering Leicester on Tuesday? That is a laughable concept from a very anti Oscar point of view. The man is clearly not an idiot he is probably one of the most respected young coaches in football today.

What we did on Tuesday was start with our best attacking players and try to win the game by scoring more goals than the opposition rather than trying to not concede and grab at least one goal.

Tuesday was a master stroke by Oscar but and hopefully he has learned something from it too, because we have 5 games left and need to win four....
[quote][p][bold]wenners[/bold] wrote: Oh come on Oscar. Yes, it may be true that we don't have the depth , but your using this to cover your own shortfalls as a manager. Its him that has been setting the team up defensively all season…its him thats set our boring style of play all season…its him thats only played with two wingers once all season…its him that plays with a lone striker and no support from midfield. The players have looked lost in recent weeks, and i believe Tuesdays result was a case of player power..( Leo alluded to it this week). They had had enough . Oscar has many shortfalls as a manager , but being in denial and making excuses seem to come easy .[/p][/quote]Wholeheartedly disagree. You believe a sort of player 'revolt' let to us playing a different way and battering Leicester on Tuesday? That is a laughable concept from a very anti Oscar point of view. The man is clearly not an idiot he is probably one of the most respected young coaches in football today. What we did on Tuesday was start with our best attacking players and try to win the game by scoring more goals than the opposition rather than trying to not concede and grab at least one goal. Tuesday was a master stroke by Oscar but and hopefully he has learned something from it too, because we have 5 games left and need to win four.... pablobrowno
  • Score: 4

9:48am Fri 11 Apr 14

Jimmy Langley says...

Yesterdays Daily Mail ran an article by Simon Jones under the headline "Garcia to quit". The nub of the article was that Garcia is poised to leave Brighton this summer because he "has grown frustrated with the club's transfer dealings". Perhaps Andy Naylor could ask Garcia about the accuracy of the article.
Yesterdays Daily Mail ran an article by Simon Jones under the headline "Garcia to quit". The nub of the article was that Garcia is poised to leave Brighton this summer because he "has grown frustrated with the club's transfer dealings". Perhaps Andy Naylor could ask Garcia about the accuracy of the article. Jimmy Langley
  • Score: 4

9:59am Fri 11 Apr 14

AburridoEnTrabajo says...

I think Brighton have had a sufficiently deep squad but have been very unlucky with injuries and, partly because of that, have also been overly reliant on bringing in players on loan.

Ignoring the loss of Bridge and Bridcutt, think about how Oscar got Cofts playing only for him to be injured. So we bring in Stephens and, despite Stephens being ill for a few weeks, Oscar has got him playing well now.

And don't forget that Oscar has brought through Ince and now March. And there are signs that Lindgard is improving as well.

His only disappointment has been Lopez, who has been off form all season.

So if you actually look at what Oscar has done with the resources he has been given, it's very impressive - better than Poyet, who would have just complained.
I think Brighton have had a sufficiently deep squad but have been very unlucky with injuries and, partly because of that, have also been overly reliant on bringing in players on loan. Ignoring the loss of Bridge and Bridcutt, think about how Oscar got Cofts playing only for him to be injured. So we bring in Stephens and, despite Stephens being ill for a few weeks, Oscar has got him playing well now. And don't forget that Oscar has brought through Ince and now March. And there are signs that Lindgard is improving as well. His only disappointment has been Lopez, who has been off form all season. So if you actually look at what Oscar has done with the resources he has been given, it's very impressive - better than Poyet, who would have just complained. AburridoEnTrabajo
  • Score: 8

10:06am Fri 11 Apr 14

SecondReserve says...

What Garcia says may or may not be true, depending on your point of view. Who is too say what makes a squad good enough for the top 6? After all, at the start of the season who would have put money on Leicester winning the division easily (despite us beating them twice!) or on Burnley gaining automatic promotion comfortably or on Derby being third or on Bournemouth being play-off contenders?

But what is extremely disappointing is that with 5 games to go and us on the fringe of the top 6, Garcia suddenly comes up with EXACTLY the same excuse as Poyet regularly used last season. It wasn't true then and it's not true now. Look at our squad - an awful lot of very experienced players who have played at a higher level than the Championship. On paper, only QPR and possibly Wigan have got a stronger squad than us.
What Garcia says may or may not be true, depending on your point of view. Who is too say what makes a squad good enough for the top 6? After all, at the start of the season who would have put money on Leicester winning the division easily (despite us beating them twice!) or on Burnley gaining automatic promotion comfortably or on Derby being third or on Bournemouth being play-off contenders? But what is extremely disappointing is that with 5 games to go and us on the fringe of the top 6, Garcia suddenly comes up with EXACTLY the same excuse as Poyet regularly used last season. It wasn't true then and it's not true now. Look at our squad - an awful lot of very experienced players who have played at a higher level than the Championship. On paper, only QPR and possibly Wigan have got a stronger squad than us. SecondReserve
  • Score: -1

10:48am Fri 11 Apr 14

jockithenoo says...

fansunited wrote:
The standard of football in the championship this season is no where near as good as last season. If we had played like this last season we would be down the bottom. If we had played like we did last season we would be top. Any team that gets promoted from this league will struggle in the PL unless they spend lots of money, cos none of the top six are good enough!
YOU'RE SO WRONG !!!!!!
This stage last year we had 62 points in sixth + 16 gd
Now we have 61 points in seventh + 9 gd
One point / one place and five goals that's not relegation or promotion form
That's football
UTA
[quote][p][bold]fansunited[/bold] wrote: The standard of football in the championship this season is no where near as good as last season. If we had played like this last season we would be down the bottom. If we had played like we did last season we would be top. Any team that gets promoted from this league will struggle in the PL unless they spend lots of money, cos none of the top six are good enough![/p][/quote]YOU'RE SO WRONG !!!!!! This stage last year we had 62 points in sixth + 16 gd Now we have 61 points in seventh + 9 gd One point / one place and five goals that's not relegation or promotion form That's football UTA jockithenoo
  • Score: 12

10:56am Fri 11 Apr 14

elljam says...

pablobrowno wrote:
wenners wrote:
Oh come on Oscar. Yes, it may be true that we don't have the depth , but your using this to cover your own shortfalls as a manager.
Its him that has been setting the team up defensively all season…its him thats set our boring style of play all season…its him thats only played with two wingers once all season…its him that plays with a lone striker and no support from midfield.
The players have looked lost in recent weeks, and i believe Tuesdays result was a case of player power..( Leo alluded to it this week). They had had enough .
Oscar has many shortfalls as a manager , but being in denial and making excuses seem to come easy .
Wholeheartedly disagree. You believe a sort of player 'revolt' let to us playing a different way and battering Leicester on Tuesday? That is a laughable concept from a very anti Oscar point of view. The man is clearly not an idiot he is probably one of the most respected young coaches in football today.

What we did on Tuesday was start with our best attacking players and try to win the game by scoring more goals than the opposition rather than trying to not concede and grab at least one goal.

Tuesday was a master stroke by Oscar but and hopefully he has learned something from it too, because we have 5 games left and need to win four....
Please don't say Tuesday was a masterstroke from Oscar. It wasn't rocket science !
There are numerous fans who have have been suggesting a more mobile, energetic & attacking line-up for quite a few weeks now.
[quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wenners[/bold] wrote: Oh come on Oscar. Yes, it may be true that we don't have the depth , but your using this to cover your own shortfalls as a manager. Its him that has been setting the team up defensively all season…its him thats set our boring style of play all season…its him thats only played with two wingers once all season…its him that plays with a lone striker and no support from midfield. The players have looked lost in recent weeks, and i believe Tuesdays result was a case of player power..( Leo alluded to it this week). They had had enough . Oscar has many shortfalls as a manager , but being in denial and making excuses seem to come easy .[/p][/quote]Wholeheartedly disagree. You believe a sort of player 'revolt' let to us playing a different way and battering Leicester on Tuesday? That is a laughable concept from a very anti Oscar point of view. The man is clearly not an idiot he is probably one of the most respected young coaches in football today. What we did on Tuesday was start with our best attacking players and try to win the game by scoring more goals than the opposition rather than trying to not concede and grab at least one goal. Tuesday was a master stroke by Oscar but and hopefully he has learned something from it too, because we have 5 games left and need to win four....[/p][/quote]Please don't say Tuesday was a masterstroke from Oscar. It wasn't rocket science ! There are numerous fans who have have been suggesting a more mobile, energetic & attacking line-up for quite a few weeks now. elljam
  • Score: 4

11:30am Fri 11 Apr 14

Claude Back says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
wenners says...

Oh come on Oscar. Yes, it may be true that we don't have the depth , but your using this to cover your own shortfalls as a manager.
Its him that has been setting the team up defensively all season…its him thats set our boring style of play all season…its him thats only played with two wingers once all season…its him that plays with a lone striker and no support from midfield.
The players have looked lost in recent weeks, and i believe Tuesdays result was a case of player power..( Leo alluded to it this week). They had had enough .
Oscar has many shortfalls as a manager , but being in denial and making excuses seem to come easy .

Tripe. We're 7th in the table with an excellent chance of at least making the play offs and you can do is come on here and slag off the head coach - who incidentally is not the 'manager'. You are a troll and a numpty who should crawl back under your rock asap
Actually, Wenners makes very salient points; it's just that you cannot understand them or have a blind, misplaced loyalty.
Anyone could have got us where we are this season with the great squad he inherited. It doesn't take skill to pick the only fit first team players available so injuries are an invalid excuse for not being higher. I suspect even you could have done the same.
We are where we are in the league in spite of Garcia; not because of him! However, if I am just a 'numpty' I suppose I must yield to your superior intellect.
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: wenners says... Oh come on Oscar. Yes, it may be true that we don't have the depth , but your using this to cover your own shortfalls as a manager. Its him that has been setting the team up defensively all season…its him thats set our boring style of play all season…its him thats only played with two wingers once all season…its him that plays with a lone striker and no support from midfield. The players have looked lost in recent weeks, and i believe Tuesdays result was a case of player power..( Leo alluded to it this week). They had had enough . Oscar has many shortfalls as a manager , but being in denial and making excuses seem to come easy . Tripe. We're 7th in the table with an excellent chance of at least making the play offs and you can do is come on here and slag off the head coach - who incidentally is not the 'manager'. You are a troll and a numpty who should crawl back under your rock asap[/p][/quote]Actually, Wenners makes very salient points; it's just that you cannot understand them or have a blind, misplaced loyalty. Anyone could have got us where we are this season with the great squad he inherited. It doesn't take skill to pick the only fit first team players available so injuries are an invalid excuse for not being higher. I suspect even you could have done the same. We are where we are in the league in spite of Garcia; not because of him! However, if I am just a 'numpty' I suppose I must yield to your superior intellect. Claude Back
  • Score: -6

11:33am Fri 11 Apr 14

ballantrrae says...

Neville1973 wrote:
despite what is being hinted/said by Oscar I hope that he stays and finishes the job but he needs to control or at least have more influence over the transfers, I do not think that Burke and his team are delivering the sort of players or to be honest even delivering any players, look at Grabban what we could have done with his goals? I would be surprised if we go up this season, if we manage the play offs then I believe that Wigan have the momentum and the team to finish the job. we need to keep Oscar no matter what and add a few good signings early in the summer. There is no secret that both Leicester and Burnley have had the most stable summer and consistent set up adding only a few players keeping the nucleus of the squad. UTA
I agree Neville especially with your point about getting players signed early in the transfer window. I also agree with your comment about Burke and his team not appearing to deliver.
My understanding, re our transfer operating strategy from what PB said at a Seagulls over London meeting a few months ago, is that Oscar identifies a need say a striker who can play up front or out wide supporting the main striker like Ulloa. Burke's team then provide a shortlist of suitable targets that they believe might be obtainable within our budget. Oscar studies the list and agrees a 'pecking' order say Grabban, Mason, Lingard etc. Burke then goes and contacts the first choice player's club. If that approach is unsuccessful then a move is made for the second choice player and so on. As you point out Neville what we might have achieved with Grabban's goals. The problem as I see it is that neither Burke or for that matter Oscar come across as being dynamic salesmen a la Poyet and it is important when a club gives us permission to talk to a player for us to really sell BHA to them.
Oscar presumably already knows where he would want to strengthen the squad for next season but doesn't know yet which league we will be playing in. Therefore I imagine Burke has two different 'lists' of targets one for each scenario. The most important 3 or 4 positions where action is required need IMO sorting out ASAP ie GK, CB, Striker and Creative attacking midfielder. The other positions where we want to generally strengthen the squad I appreciate might take longer to deal with depending on 'retained' lists etc
Reverting to Oscar's comments I think they are a realistic appraisal of the squad and its abilities. It is also a statement saying 'look at what I have achieved with relatively meagre resources' so back me now and I can deliver in the future.
Finally the point you make about the squad stability and 'continuity' this season at both Leicester and Burnley is a valid one. Both clubs kept their managers and only 'fine tuned' their squads before the season began. What potentially worries me is that from the playing squad side of things we are not in that position with (I believe) 11 first team squad members out of contract shortly. Burke and his team are either going to have really deliver this summer on signing new players, acquiring others on permanent deals eg Ward or resigning those out of contract eg Kuszczak & Upson or move on
Another key match tomorrow - fingers crossed.
[quote][p][bold]Neville1973[/bold] wrote: despite what is being hinted/said by Oscar I hope that he stays and finishes the job but he needs to control or at least have more influence over the transfers, I do not think that Burke and his team are delivering the sort of players or to be honest even delivering any players, look at Grabban what we could have done with his goals? I would be surprised if we go up this season, if we manage the play offs then I believe that Wigan have the momentum and the team to finish the job. we need to keep Oscar no matter what and add a few good signings early in the summer. There is no secret that both Leicester and Burnley have had the most stable summer and consistent set up adding only a few players keeping the nucleus of the squad. UTA[/p][/quote]I agree Neville especially with your point about getting players signed early in the transfer window. I also agree with your comment about Burke and his team not appearing to deliver. My understanding, re our transfer operating strategy from what PB said at a Seagulls over London meeting a few months ago, is that Oscar identifies a need say a striker who can play up front or out wide supporting the main striker like Ulloa. Burke's team then provide a shortlist of suitable targets that they believe might be obtainable within our budget. Oscar studies the list and agrees a 'pecking' order say Grabban, Mason, Lingard etc. Burke then goes and contacts the first choice player's club. If that approach is unsuccessful then a move is made for the second choice player and so on. As you point out Neville what we might have achieved with Grabban's goals. The problem as I see it is that neither Burke or for that matter Oscar come across as being dynamic salesmen a la Poyet and it is important when a club gives us permission to talk to a player for us to really sell BHA to them. Oscar presumably already knows where he would want to strengthen the squad for next season but doesn't know yet which league we will be playing in. Therefore I imagine Burke has two different 'lists' of targets one for each scenario. The most important 3 or 4 positions where action is required need IMO sorting out ASAP ie GK, CB, Striker and Creative attacking midfielder. The other positions where we want to generally strengthen the squad I appreciate might take longer to deal with depending on 'retained' lists etc Reverting to Oscar's comments I think they are a realistic appraisal of the squad and its abilities. It is also a statement saying 'look at what I have achieved with relatively meagre resources' so back me now and I can deliver in the future. Finally the point you make about the squad stability and 'continuity' this season at both Leicester and Burnley is a valid one. Both clubs kept their managers and only 'fine tuned' their squads before the season began. What potentially worries me is that from the playing squad side of things we are not in that position with (I believe) 11 first team squad members out of contract shortly. Burke and his team are either going to have really deliver this summer on signing new players, acquiring others on permanent deals eg Ward or resigning those out of contract eg Kuszczak & Upson or move on Another key match tomorrow - fingers crossed. ballantrrae
  • Score: 5

11:36am Fri 11 Apr 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

I agree with Oscar, that the squad has not been deep enough. I would go further and say it's not been deep enough with quality players. We've signed quite a few players and got others in on loan but they haven't been good enough. A few are good quality but the vast majority have been below par.
This is down to our recruitment policy which needs to be revamped. It seems daft that our head coach doesn't have a bigger say in who we recruit.
Let's hope this gets sorted quickly because we don't want another preseason like last year. 3 points tomorrow. UTA
I agree with Oscar, that the squad has not been deep enough. I would go further and say it's not been deep enough with quality players. We've signed quite a few players and got others in on loan but they haven't been good enough. A few are good quality but the vast majority have been below par. This is down to our recruitment policy which needs to be revamped. It seems daft that our head coach doesn't have a bigger say in who we recruit. Let's hope this gets sorted quickly because we don't want another preseason like last year. 3 points tomorrow. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 3

12:28pm Fri 11 Apr 14

bbb1969 says...

Somebody must be reading my comnents cos the headline has changed and suddenly Augustien has been training.

Lets try this then.... we should be signing players like messi and neymar if we want to succeed next year. Can only live in hope and for the odd person who does not get this post. It is a joke.

Think we will have a tough game tomorrow but think a narrow win on the carfs. 2-0 for me.
Also got my tickets and did not ask about park and ride from the racecourse. Anyone know whats happening with that as there is a circus big top being errevted.
Somebody must be reading my comnents cos the headline has changed and suddenly Augustien has been training. Lets try this then.... we should be signing players like messi and neymar if we want to succeed next year. Can only live in hope and for the odd person who does not get this post. It is a joke. Think we will have a tough game tomorrow but think a narrow win on the carfs. 2-0 for me. Also got my tickets and did not ask about park and ride from the racecourse. Anyone know whats happening with that as there is a circus big top being errevted. bbb1969
  • Score: 0

12:31pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Jiminthewest says...

Sorry, I don't get what this debate is all about. The quote from Oscar is just the plain truth that everyone (including TB) knows already. Ideally we would have had a deeper squad - we have been amazingly unlucky with injuries. It's a certainty that we tried to get more players in, but sometimes you can try your hardest and not succeed. It doesn't mean you're doing a bad job. The last thing we want is for Albion to throw stupid money at Premier League has-beens. It's not just FFP that stops us, it's also straightforward good business sense.
Sorry, I don't get what this debate is all about. The quote from Oscar is just the plain truth that everyone (including TB) knows already. Ideally we would have had a deeper squad - we have been amazingly unlucky with injuries. It's a certainty that we tried to get more players in, but sometimes you can try your hardest and not succeed. It doesn't mean you're doing a bad job. The last thing we want is for Albion to throw stupid money at Premier League has-beens. It's not just FFP that stops us, it's also straightforward good business sense. Jiminthewest
  • Score: 5

12:42pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Yep, As someone else pointed out the headline has changed which makes OG's opinion seem like a rather more conciliatory, balanced appraisal.
Not sure it changes anything from my perspective, but there's clearly been some pressure from somewhere to make a subtle change to tone.
Yep, As someone else pointed out the headline has changed which makes OG's opinion seem like a rather more conciliatory, balanced appraisal. Not sure it changes anything from my perspective, but there's clearly been some pressure from somewhere to make a subtle change to tone. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

1:55pm Fri 11 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

My take on what Oscar has said regarding the depth of our squad is that it all depends on what you call, 'depth.'

The amount of playing time given to Solly, JFC and Ince has helped them develop but they got that playing time due to circumstances, for the most part, that we didn't want.
Bridcutt goes and up steps Ince, that was never the plan, the intention would have been for Bridcutt to play and Ince to continue his development, but then our circumstances changed. If we had strength in depth we would not have had to turn to Ince, we got lucky with Ince.

Crofts got ruled out with a season ending injury, Orlandi has only been involved in 12 matches, 5 of them as a sub, and Lopez has not found his best form this year, JFC got his chance. Another DS lad getting playing time due to circumstances. Add Buckley to the mix and you see how Solly started to figure.

If we had real strength in depth we would not have had to turn to three DS lads to get us out of trouble, it's great for the DS lads, and they have not let us down, far from it, but the fact that we did have to turn to them validates what Oscar is saying.

We, largely due to injuries, have not had a situation where eleven players are selected and eleven more are waiting their chance, waiting to step in due to injury, sqaud rotation, change in tactics or loss of form. Twenty two with the DS lads as a third option. Right now we have just three central defenders. With Buckley out again, who, other than Lua Lua, do we have that we can truly recognize as a wide player currently available for selection. People call for us to play two wide players, where in the squad is the depth that allows us options as to which two wide players to send out.

If it wasn't for the fact that CMS is now fit we would still only have one genuine striker available, strength in depth surely must mean that we should have a minimum of three.
We have got by this year by getting lucky with three DS lads all stepping up, and we have finally managed to borrow a lad that can make a difference, Lingard, added to the wise purchase of Stephens. If Oscar gets an offer from a prem club it will be because of what he has been able to achieve with a squad that has talent, but has been rarely available to use in the way he would have wished to. Luckily of rus Oscar had strength in depth in his own abilities, he was able to bring on three DS lads much faster than many would have expected.
My take on what Oscar has said regarding the depth of our squad is that it all depends on what you call, 'depth.' The amount of playing time given to Solly, JFC and Ince has helped them develop but they got that playing time due to circumstances, for the most part, that we didn't want. Bridcutt goes and up steps Ince, that was never the plan, the intention would have been for Bridcutt to play and Ince to continue his development, but then our circumstances changed. If we had strength in depth we would not have had to turn to Ince, we got lucky with Ince. Crofts got ruled out with a season ending injury, Orlandi has only been involved in 12 matches, 5 of them as a sub, and Lopez has not found his best form this year, JFC got his chance. Another DS lad getting playing time due to circumstances. Add Buckley to the mix and you see how Solly started to figure. If we had real strength in depth we would not have had to turn to three DS lads to get us out of trouble, it's great for the DS lads, and they have not let us down, far from it, but the fact that we did have to turn to them validates what Oscar is saying. We, largely due to injuries, have not had a situation where eleven players are selected and eleven more are waiting their chance, waiting to step in due to injury, sqaud rotation, change in tactics or loss of form. Twenty two with the DS lads as a third option. Right now we have just three central defenders. With Buckley out again, who, other than Lua Lua, do we have that we can truly recognize as a wide player currently available for selection. People call for us to play two wide players, where in the squad is the depth that allows us options as to which two wide players to send out. If it wasn't for the fact that CMS is now fit we would still only have one genuine striker available, strength in depth surely must mean that we should have a minimum of three. We have got by this year by getting lucky with three DS lads all stepping up, and we have finally managed to borrow a lad that can make a difference, Lingard, added to the wise purchase of Stephens. If Oscar gets an offer from a prem club it will be because of what he has been able to achieve with a squad that has talent, but has been rarely available to use in the way he would have wished to. Luckily of rus Oscar had strength in depth in his own abilities, he was able to bring on three DS lads much faster than many would have expected. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

2:05pm Fri 11 Apr 14

OldGull says...

oscar must go wrote:
Quit then and take Jones with you and then maybe the powers that be will overhaul things. Burke and Day + a lot of their team of 20 must go too.

There are so many " premier league ready" managers available right now so let's go and get one. Another close season wasted is not good enough.
Oscar must go must go
[quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: Quit then and take Jones with you and then maybe the powers that be will overhaul things. Burke and Day + a lot of their team of 20 must go too. There are so many " premier league ready" managers available right now so let's go and get one. Another close season wasted is not good enough.[/p][/quote]Oscar must go must go OldGull
  • Score: 3

2:09pm Fri 11 Apr 14

OldGull says...

Claude Back wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
wenners says...

Oh come on Oscar. Yes, it may be true that we don't have the depth , but your using this to cover your own shortfalls as a manager.
Its him that has been setting the team up defensively all season…its him thats set our boring style of play all season…its him thats only played with two wingers once all season…its him that plays with a lone striker and no support from midfield.
The players have looked lost in recent weeks, and i believe Tuesdays result was a case of player power..( Leo alluded to it this week). They had had enough .
Oscar has many shortfalls as a manager , but being in denial and making excuses seem to come easy .

Tripe. We're 7th in the table with an excellent chance of at least making the play offs and you can do is come on here and slag off the head coach - who incidentally is not the 'manager'. You are a troll and a numpty who should crawl back under your rock asap
Actually, Wenners makes very salient points; it's just that you cannot understand them or have a blind, misplaced loyalty.
Anyone could have got us where we are this season with the great squad he inherited. It doesn't take skill to pick the only fit first team players available so injuries are an invalid excuse for not being higher. I suspect even you could have done the same.
We are where we are in the league in spite of Garcia; not because of him! However, if I am just a 'numpty' I suppose I must yield to your superior intellect.
At least you know what you are
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: wenners says... Oh come on Oscar. Yes, it may be true that we don't have the depth , but your using this to cover your own shortfalls as a manager. Its him that has been setting the team up defensively all season…its him thats set our boring style of play all season…its him thats only played with two wingers once all season…its him that plays with a lone striker and no support from midfield. The players have looked lost in recent weeks, and i believe Tuesdays result was a case of player power..( Leo alluded to it this week). They had had enough . Oscar has many shortfalls as a manager , but being in denial and making excuses seem to come easy . Tripe. We're 7th in the table with an excellent chance of at least making the play offs and you can do is come on here and slag off the head coach - who incidentally is not the 'manager'. You are a troll and a numpty who should crawl back under your rock asap[/p][/quote]Actually, Wenners makes very salient points; it's just that you cannot understand them or have a blind, misplaced loyalty. Anyone could have got us where we are this season with the great squad he inherited. It doesn't take skill to pick the only fit first team players available so injuries are an invalid excuse for not being higher. I suspect even you could have done the same. We are where we are in the league in spite of Garcia; not because of him! However, if I am just a 'numpty' I suppose I must yield to your superior intellect.[/p][/quote]At least you know what you are OldGull
  • Score: -1

2:11pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Chi Gull says...

Burnley have done well because they have been 'lucky' with injuries. They started the season with a thin squad and were more vulnerable to injuries, but they strengthened in January given their league position. They are also in the 3rd year of parachute payments from the PL.

For me the problem for us has been injuries and lack of cover/options up front. It isn't just players not being available. Most of our injuries have been in midfield so OG has rarely been able to keep the midfield the same and that disrupts the fluency of our passing game. We need a better balanced squad next year, not necessarily a bigger squad.

It amuses me when people say the quality of the Championship isn't as good this year. Last year Hull were one of the most boring teams and got promoted. Cardiff were champions and are coming straight back down. I would say the quality is similar but we have been inconsistent when compared with last season.

I have said this before, but we are always going to need to punch above our financial weight to get promoted - given that other teams have parachute payments. . FFP is yet to have its full impact on the league and the next 12-18 months will be interesting in that respect.
Burnley have done well because they have been 'lucky' with injuries. They started the season with a thin squad and were more vulnerable to injuries, but they strengthened in January given their league position. They are also in the 3rd year of parachute payments from the PL. For me the problem for us has been injuries and lack of cover/options up front. It isn't just players not being available. Most of our injuries have been in midfield so OG has rarely been able to keep the midfield the same and that disrupts the fluency of our passing game. We need a better balanced squad next year, not necessarily a bigger squad. It amuses me when people say the quality of the Championship isn't as good this year. Last year Hull were one of the most boring teams and got promoted. Cardiff were champions and are coming straight back down. I would say the quality is similar but we have been inconsistent when compared with last season. I have said this before, but we are always going to need to punch above our financial weight to get promoted - given that other teams have parachute payments. . FFP is yet to have its full impact on the league and the next 12-18 months will be interesting in that respect. Chi Gull
  • Score: 3

2:17pm Fri 11 Apr 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

elljam wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
wenners wrote:
Oh come on Oscar. Yes, it may be true that we don't have the depth , but your using this to cover your own shortfalls as a manager.
Its him that has been setting the team up defensively all season…its him thats set our boring style of play all season…its him thats only played with two wingers once all season…its him that plays with a lone striker and no support from midfield.
The players have looked lost in recent weeks, and i believe Tuesdays result was a case of player power..( Leo alluded to it this week). They had had enough .
Oscar has many shortfalls as a manager , but being in denial and making excuses seem to come easy .
Wholeheartedly disagree. You believe a sort of player 'revolt' let to us playing a different way and battering Leicester on Tuesday? That is a laughable concept from a very anti Oscar point of view. The man is clearly not an idiot he is probably one of the most respected young coaches in football today.

What we did on Tuesday was start with our best attacking players and try to win the game by scoring more goals than the opposition rather than trying to not concede and grab at least one goal.

Tuesday was a master stroke by Oscar but and hopefully he has learned something from it too, because we have 5 games left and need to win four....
Please don't say Tuesday was a masterstroke from Oscar. It wasn't rocket science !
There are numerous fans who have have been suggesting a more mobile, energetic & attacking line-up for quite a few weeks now.
Yes agree entirely.LuaLua for example should have started games rather than sit on the bench.If he is still regarded as an impact sub why not play him straightaway to make an impact straightaway?! if he is fit enough to be on the bench ,he is fit enough to play.As I said in a separate post I sincerely hope OG fields an unchanged team tomorrow.
[quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wenners[/bold] wrote: Oh come on Oscar. Yes, it may be true that we don't have the depth , but your using this to cover your own shortfalls as a manager. Its him that has been setting the team up defensively all season…its him thats set our boring style of play all season…its him thats only played with two wingers once all season…its him that plays with a lone striker and no support from midfield. The players have looked lost in recent weeks, and i believe Tuesdays result was a case of player power..( Leo alluded to it this week). They had had enough . Oscar has many shortfalls as a manager , but being in denial and making excuses seem to come easy .[/p][/quote]Wholeheartedly disagree. You believe a sort of player 'revolt' let to us playing a different way and battering Leicester on Tuesday? That is a laughable concept from a very anti Oscar point of view. The man is clearly not an idiot he is probably one of the most respected young coaches in football today. What we did on Tuesday was start with our best attacking players and try to win the game by scoring more goals than the opposition rather than trying to not concede and grab at least one goal. Tuesday was a master stroke by Oscar but and hopefully he has learned something from it too, because we have 5 games left and need to win four....[/p][/quote]Please don't say Tuesday was a masterstroke from Oscar. It wasn't rocket science ! There are numerous fans who have have been suggesting a more mobile, energetic & attacking line-up for quite a few weeks now.[/p][/quote]Yes agree entirely.LuaLua for example should have started games rather than sit on the bench.If he is still regarded as an impact sub why not play him straightaway to make an impact straightaway?! if he is fit enough to be on the bench ,he is fit enough to play.As I said in a separate post I sincerely hope OG fields an unchanged team tomorrow. SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 0

2:26pm Fri 11 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

Considering what Oscar has said about strength in depth, and if we don't make promotion this year, and I accept we still have a chance, it will be interesting to see wha changes Oscar makes for next year, and yeah I think he will still be with us.
There will be decisions to make regarding the persistently injured players and those that have just not delivered this year. If we are able to hold on to Ulloa and we keep CMS, where does Hoskins fit in to the plan, Oscar has a few games to assess CMS under battle conditions but it seems he won't have the same time to look at Hoskins.
If Oscar gets the strength in depth that he wants, it looks like we will be rather busy in the summer market and the money that has not been spent this year, had better be added to his budget for the next one, and then some.
Considering what Oscar has said about strength in depth, and if we don't make promotion this year, and I accept we still have a chance, it will be interesting to see wha changes Oscar makes for next year, and yeah I think he will still be with us. There will be decisions to make regarding the persistently injured players and those that have just not delivered this year. If we are able to hold on to Ulloa and we keep CMS, where does Hoskins fit in to the plan, Oscar has a few games to assess CMS under battle conditions but it seems he won't have the same time to look at Hoskins. If Oscar gets the strength in depth that he wants, it looks like we will be rather busy in the summer market and the money that has not been spent this year, had better be added to his budget for the next one, and then some. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

2:35pm Fri 11 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
elljam wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
wenners wrote:
Oh come on Oscar. Yes, it may be true that we don't have the depth , but your using this to cover your own shortfalls as a manager.
Its him that has been setting the team up defensively all season…its him thats set our boring style of play all season…its him thats only played with two wingers once all season…its him that plays with a lone striker and no support from midfield.
The players have looked lost in recent weeks, and i believe Tuesdays result was a case of player power..( Leo alluded to it this week). They had had enough .
Oscar has many shortfalls as a manager , but being in denial and making excuses seem to come easy .
Wholeheartedly disagree. You believe a sort of player 'revolt' let to us playing a different way and battering Leicester on Tuesday? That is a laughable concept from a very anti Oscar point of view. The man is clearly not an idiot he is probably one of the most respected young coaches in football today.

What we did on Tuesday was start with our best attacking players and try to win the game by scoring more goals than the opposition rather than trying to not concede and grab at least one goal.

Tuesday was a master stroke by Oscar but and hopefully he has learned something from it too, because we have 5 games left and need to win four....
Please don't say Tuesday was a masterstroke from Oscar. It wasn't rocket science !
There are numerous fans who have have been suggesting a more mobile, energetic & attacking line-up for quite a few weeks now.
Yes agree entirely.LuaLua for example should have started games rather than sit on the bench.If he is still regarded as an impact sub why not play him straightaway to make an impact straightaway?! if he is fit enough to be on the bench ,he is fit enough to play.As I said in a separate post I sincerely hope OG fields an unchanged team tomorrow.
Bruno is availabe, does he start?
[quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wenners[/bold] wrote: Oh come on Oscar. Yes, it may be true that we don't have the depth , but your using this to cover your own shortfalls as a manager. Its him that has been setting the team up defensively all season…its him thats set our boring style of play all season…its him thats only played with two wingers once all season…its him that plays with a lone striker and no support from midfield. The players have looked lost in recent weeks, and i believe Tuesdays result was a case of player power..( Leo alluded to it this week). They had had enough . Oscar has many shortfalls as a manager , but being in denial and making excuses seem to come easy .[/p][/quote]Wholeheartedly disagree. You believe a sort of player 'revolt' let to us playing a different way and battering Leicester on Tuesday? That is a laughable concept from a very anti Oscar point of view. The man is clearly not an idiot he is probably one of the most respected young coaches in football today. What we did on Tuesday was start with our best attacking players and try to win the game by scoring more goals than the opposition rather than trying to not concede and grab at least one goal. Tuesday was a master stroke by Oscar but and hopefully he has learned something from it too, because we have 5 games left and need to win four....[/p][/quote]Please don't say Tuesday was a masterstroke from Oscar. It wasn't rocket science ! There are numerous fans who have have been suggesting a more mobile, energetic & attacking line-up for quite a few weeks now.[/p][/quote]Yes agree entirely.LuaLua for example should have started games rather than sit on the bench.If he is still regarded as an impact sub why not play him straightaway to make an impact straightaway?! if he is fit enough to be on the bench ,he is fit enough to play.As I said in a separate post I sincerely hope OG fields an unchanged team tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Bruno is availabe, does he start? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

2:36pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Baldseagull says...

SecondReserve wrote:
What Garcia says may or may not be true, depending on your point of view. Who is too say what makes a squad good enough for the top 6? After all, at the start of the season who would have put money on Leicester winning the division easily (despite us beating them twice!) or on Burnley gaining automatic promotion comfortably or on Derby being third or on Bournemouth being play-off contenders?

But what is extremely disappointing is that with 5 games to go and us on the fringe of the top 6, Garcia suddenly comes up with EXACTLY the same excuse as Poyet regularly used last season. It wasn't true then and it's not true now. Look at our squad - an awful lot of very experienced players who have played at a higher level than the Championship. On paper, only QPR and possibly Wigan have got a stronger squad than us.
I think you have underestimated the "on paper" strength of several other clubs if you think QPR and Wigan are the only ones that have the edge over us.
[quote][p][bold]SecondReserve[/bold] wrote: What Garcia says may or may not be true, depending on your point of view. Who is too say what makes a squad good enough for the top 6? After all, at the start of the season who would have put money on Leicester winning the division easily (despite us beating them twice!) or on Burnley gaining automatic promotion comfortably or on Derby being third or on Bournemouth being play-off contenders? But what is extremely disappointing is that with 5 games to go and us on the fringe of the top 6, Garcia suddenly comes up with EXACTLY the same excuse as Poyet regularly used last season. It wasn't true then and it's not true now. Look at our squad - an awful lot of very experienced players who have played at a higher level than the Championship. On paper, only QPR and possibly Wigan have got a stronger squad than us.[/p][/quote]I think you have underestimated the "on paper" strength of several other clubs if you think QPR and Wigan are the only ones that have the edge over us. Baldseagull
  • Score: 4

2:57pm Fri 11 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

Baldseagull wrote:
SecondReserve wrote:
What Garcia says may or may not be true, depending on your point of view. Who is too say what makes a squad good enough for the top 6? After all, at the start of the season who would have put money on Leicester winning the division easily (despite us beating them twice!) or on Burnley gaining automatic promotion comfortably or on Derby being third or on Bournemouth being play-off contenders?

But what is extremely disappointing is that with 5 games to go and us on the fringe of the top 6, Garcia suddenly comes up with EXACTLY the same excuse as Poyet regularly used last season. It wasn't true then and it's not true now. Look at our squad - an awful lot of very experienced players who have played at a higher level than the Championship. On paper, only QPR and possibly Wigan have got a stronger squad than us.
I think you have underestimated the "on paper" strength of several other clubs if you think QPR and Wigan are the only ones that have the edge over us.
and when doing all that looking, look at which of our key players have been out injured and for how long and what that has meant to Oscar's selection options. If it wasn't for three DS lads we would have had to have spent way more than we have.

'On paper,' Buckley, Orlandi, Crofts and Ulloa are top qulaity at our level. Buckley has started just 18, Orlandi, 7, Crofts out since mid season and Ulloa I do believe has missed 10 starts. 'On paper,' means nothing when those on the paper are not available.
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SecondReserve[/bold] wrote: What Garcia says may or may not be true, depending on your point of view. Who is too say what makes a squad good enough for the top 6? After all, at the start of the season who would have put money on Leicester winning the division easily (despite us beating them twice!) or on Burnley gaining automatic promotion comfortably or on Derby being third or on Bournemouth being play-off contenders? But what is extremely disappointing is that with 5 games to go and us on the fringe of the top 6, Garcia suddenly comes up with EXACTLY the same excuse as Poyet regularly used last season. It wasn't true then and it's not true now. Look at our squad - an awful lot of very experienced players who have played at a higher level than the Championship. On paper, only QPR and possibly Wigan have got a stronger squad than us.[/p][/quote]I think you have underestimated the "on paper" strength of several other clubs if you think QPR and Wigan are the only ones that have the edge over us.[/p][/quote]and when doing all that looking, look at which of our key players have been out injured and for how long and what that has meant to Oscar's selection options. If it wasn't for three DS lads we would have had to have spent way more than we have. 'On paper,' Buckley, Orlandi, Crofts and Ulloa are top qulaity at our level. Buckley has started just 18, Orlandi, 7, Crofts out since mid season and Ulloa I do believe has missed 10 starts. 'On paper,' means nothing when those on the paper are not available. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

3:09pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Mystertoo says...

There are not many clubs at championship level, nor premier league level that would not have had trouble with 2 first team strikers out all season, add to that losing our goal scoring midfielder (AC) for 1/2 the season when he was on form, add to that the sporadic availability of the previous seasons midfield in WB & AO. To cope with losing the player of the season in LB, not withstanding his lay off before the transfer wrangles started and after.

The jury maybe out on OG, but give the guy a fair level playing field before judging.

And for those who want Lua Lua to start week in week out, look at his injury record since joining the Albion. OG management if him as an impact sub, is probably what has kept him fit and available for what is the longest injury free period I can remember him having.
There are not many clubs at championship level, nor premier league level that would not have had trouble with 2 first team strikers out all season, add to that losing our goal scoring midfielder (AC) for 1/2 the season when he was on form, add to that the sporadic availability of the previous seasons midfield in WB & AO. To cope with losing the player of the season in LB, not withstanding his lay off before the transfer wrangles started and after. The jury maybe out on OG, but give the guy a fair level playing field before judging. And for those who want Lua Lua to start week in week out, look at his injury record since joining the Albion. OG management if him as an impact sub, is probably what has kept him fit and available for what is the longest injury free period I can remember him having. Mystertoo
  • Score: 5

3:12pm Fri 11 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

OldGull wrote:
oscar must go wrote:
Quit then and take Jones with you and then maybe the powers that be will overhaul things. Burke and Day + a lot of their team of 20 must go too.

There are so many " premier league ready" managers available right now so let's go and get one. Another close season wasted is not good enough.
Oscar must go must go
Why?

Anything said here that is wrong then?
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oscar must go[/bold] wrote: Quit then and take Jones with you and then maybe the powers that be will overhaul things. Burke and Day + a lot of their team of 20 must go too. There are so many " premier league ready" managers available right now so let's go and get one. Another close season wasted is not good enough.[/p][/quote]Oscar must go must go[/p][/quote]Why? Anything said here that is wrong then? oscar must go
  • Score: -3

3:14pm Fri 11 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

OldGull wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
wenners says...

Oh come on Oscar. Yes, it may be true that we don't have the depth , but your using this to cover your own shortfalls as a manager.
Its him that has been setting the team up defensively all season…its him thats set our boring style of play all season…its him thats only played with two wingers once all season…its him that plays with a lone striker and no support from midfield.
The players have looked lost in recent weeks, and i believe Tuesdays result was a case of player power..( Leo alluded to it this week). They had had enough .
Oscar has many shortfalls as a manager , but being in denial and making excuses seem to come easy .

Tripe. We're 7th in the table with an excellent chance of at least making the play offs and you can do is come on here and slag off the head coach - who incidentally is not the 'manager'. You are a troll and a numpty who should crawl back under your rock asap
Actually, Wenners makes very salient points; it's just that you cannot understand them or have a blind, misplaced loyalty.
Anyone could have got us where we are this season with the great squad he inherited. It doesn't take skill to pick the only fit first team players available so injuries are an invalid excuse for not being higher. I suspect even you could have done the same.
We are where we are in the league in spite of Garcia; not because of him! However, if I am just a 'numpty' I suppose I must yield to your superior intellect.
At least you know what you are
Gee you are so amusing with all your little quips!!!!
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: wenners says... Oh come on Oscar. Yes, it may be true that we don't have the depth , but your using this to cover your own shortfalls as a manager. Its him that has been setting the team up defensively all season…its him thats set our boring style of play all season…its him thats only played with two wingers once all season…its him that plays with a lone striker and no support from midfield. The players have looked lost in recent weeks, and i believe Tuesdays result was a case of player power..( Leo alluded to it this week). They had had enough . Oscar has many shortfalls as a manager , but being in denial and making excuses seem to come easy . Tripe. We're 7th in the table with an excellent chance of at least making the play offs and you can do is come on here and slag off the head coach - who incidentally is not the 'manager'. You are a troll and a numpty who should crawl back under your rock asap[/p][/quote]Actually, Wenners makes very salient points; it's just that you cannot understand them or have a blind, misplaced loyalty. Anyone could have got us where we are this season with the great squad he inherited. It doesn't take skill to pick the only fit first team players available so injuries are an invalid excuse for not being higher. I suspect even you could have done the same. We are where we are in the league in spite of Garcia; not because of him! However, if I am just a 'numpty' I suppose I must yield to your superior intellect.[/p][/quote]At least you know what you are[/p][/quote]Gee you are so amusing with all your little quips!!!! oscar must go
  • Score: -4

5:38pm Fri 11 Apr 14

tinker111 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Let's look at the facts, for a large part of the season around 10 games we had one fit striker,
Barnes missed 4 games, Leo a ban for 3 games , then missed 7 foot injury,
These types of problems are normal ... We then sell Barnes who we knew was going 6 months before!! And no striker was signed PRIOR to him going.
That's pretty poor for a club with promotion aspirations.
Since jan we have 3 centre halves, again crazy situation .
Basically OG is spot on, what I find weird is why the comments now?
Sorry but the club are only about MONEY 2 BSS ARE HIDEING BEHIND FFP SO NO SPENDS ON PLAYERS what has happened to money abtained for Bridders & Barnsey ????
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Let's look at the facts, for a large part of the season around 10 games we had one fit striker, Barnes missed 4 games, Leo a ban for 3 games , then missed 7 foot injury, These types of problems are normal ... We then sell Barnes who we knew was going 6 months before!! And no striker was signed PRIOR to him going. That's pretty poor for a club with promotion aspirations. Since jan we have 3 centre halves, again crazy situation . Basically OG is spot on, what I find weird is why the comments now?[/p][/quote]Sorry but the club are only about MONEY 2 BSS ARE HIDEING BEHIND FFP SO NO SPENDS ON PLAYERS what has happened to money abtained for Bridders & Barnsey ???? tinker111
  • Score: -4

5:47pm Fri 11 Apr 14

oscar must go says...

tinker111 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Let's look at the facts, for a large part of the season around 10 games we had one fit striker,
Barnes missed 4 games, Leo a ban for 3 games , then missed 7 foot injury,
These types of problems are normal ... We then sell Barnes who we knew was going 6 months before!! And no striker was signed PRIOR to him going.
That's pretty poor for a club with promotion aspirations.
Since jan we have 3 centre halves, again crazy situation .
Basically OG is spot on, what I find weird is why the comments now?
Sorry but the club are only about MONEY 2 BSS ARE HIDEING BEHIND FFP SO NO SPENDS ON PLAYERS what has happened to money abtained for Bridders & Barnsey ????
El abd had a value too!!
[quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Let's look at the facts, for a large part of the season around 10 games we had one fit striker, Barnes missed 4 games, Leo a ban for 3 games , then missed 7 foot injury, These types of problems are normal ... We then sell Barnes who we knew was going 6 months before!! And no striker was signed PRIOR to him going. That's pretty poor for a club with promotion aspirations. Since jan we have 3 centre halves, again crazy situation . Basically OG is spot on, what I find weird is why the comments now?[/p][/quote]Sorry but the club are only about MONEY 2 BSS ARE HIDEING BEHIND FFP SO NO SPENDS ON PLAYERS what has happened to money abtained for Bridders & Barnsey ????[/p][/quote]El abd had a value too!! oscar must go
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7:37pm Fri 11 Apr 14

pte says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Let's look at the facts, for a large part of the season around 10 games we had one fit striker,
Barnes missed 4 games, Leo a ban for 3 games , then missed 7 foot injury,
These types of problems are normal ... We then sell Barnes who we knew was going 6 months before!! And no striker was signed PRIOR to him going.
That's pretty poor for a club with promotion aspirations.
Since jan we have 3 centre halves, again crazy situation .
Basically OG is spot on, what I find weird is why the comments now?
The answer: he's letting other clubs know he's dissatisfied and so available.

Funny, throughout the season the mantra from the club is we are a club with depth. Then OG goes off message right at the end to say we don't have depth
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Let's look at the facts, for a large part of the season around 10 games we had one fit striker, Barnes missed 4 games, Leo a ban for 3 games , then missed 7 foot injury, These types of problems are normal ... We then sell Barnes who we knew was going 6 months before!! And no striker was signed PRIOR to him going. That's pretty poor for a club with promotion aspirations. Since jan we have 3 centre halves, again crazy situation . Basically OG is spot on, what I find weird is why the comments now?[/p][/quote]The answer: he's letting other clubs know he's dissatisfied and so available. Funny, throughout the season the mantra from the club is we are a club with depth. Then OG goes off message right at the end to say we don't have depth pte
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