Oscar tells his Albion players to relish the play-off finale

Oscar Garcia (right) wants his players to enjoy the play-off fight

Oscar Garcia (right) wants his players to enjoy the play-off fight

First published in Sport by , Chief sports reporter

Albion boss Oscar Garcia has urged his players to enjoy the dramatic conclusion to his first season in charge and give it their all to sneak into the play-offs at Nottingham Forest on Saturday.

At the end of March a hat-trick of defeats without scoring, culminating in a 2-0 loss at home to Middlesbrough, appeared to have wrecked Albion's chances of a top six finish.

Dale Stephens then headed a late equaliser in an eventful 3-3 draw at Blackburn, launching a seven-match unbeaten sequence with three wins, the latest against Yeovil at the Amex on Friday night.

Oscar said: "Two months ago nobody thought we could be there and we are here.

"We wanted to be here, to play these kind of games. As a player you want to play in these kind of games, to show everybody why we are here.

"And as a manager as well I want to play as many games as possible like this, with this atmosphere, this pressure.

"We have to enjoy it because they are exciting games. The best thing you can do is finish the game with a clear mind that you have done everything."

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4:36pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Far gull says...

May you Oscar fire them up BEFORE KO on saturday aka the only real time we have this season v Leicester at home. Win and anything could happen....then again maybe not ....as not in our control totally. Either way as you say enjoy.
May you Oscar fire them up BEFORE KO on saturday aka the only real time we have this season v Leicester at home. Win and anything could happen....then again maybe not ....as not in our control totally. Either way as you say enjoy. Far gull
  • Score: 8

4:38pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

Being so close but so far, it's a tad frustrating thinking of so many points squandered in earlier matches, but we are where we are. If Albion play like they can - and have shown away from home - there's every chance of success. Then the rest is down to fate.

Ooh er, missus....
Being so close but so far, it's a tad frustrating thinking of so many points squandered in earlier matches, but we are where we are. If Albion play like they can - and have shown away from home - there's every chance of success. Then the rest is down to fate. Ooh er, missus.... Willie, Willie Irvine
  • Score: 8

4:42pm Mon 28 Apr 14

pablobrowno says...

Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!!
Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!! pablobrowno
  • Score: 26

4:46pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Norfolk and way says...

It would be enjoyable if people had done their jobs properly in the first place. Too many sloppy performances are what will have cost us if we don't make it. Oscar is as much to blame as anyone for this.
It would be enjoyable if people had done their jobs properly in the first place. Too many sloppy performances are what will have cost us if we don't make it. Oscar is as much to blame as anyone for this. Norfolk and way
  • Score: -31

5:01pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

pablobrowno wrote:
Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!!
I'm not entirely convinced OG will still be here, but if he is it will be interesting to see how he performs without his L plates...
[quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!![/p][/quote]I'm not entirely convinced OG will still be here, but if he is it will be interesting to see how he performs without his L plates... Willie, Willie Irvine
  • Score: -6

5:07pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!!
I'm not entirely convinced OG will still be here, but if he is it will be interesting to see how he performs without his L plates...
What makes you think he won't be here, Willie?
[quote][p][bold]Willie, Willie Irvine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!![/p][/quote]I'm not entirely convinced OG will still be here, but if he is it will be interesting to see how he performs without his L plates...[/p][/quote]What makes you think he won't be here, Willie? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

5:11pm Mon 28 Apr 14

rolivan says...

Norfolk and way wrote:
It would be enjoyable if people had done their jobs properly in the first place. Too many sloppy performances are what will have cost us if we don't make it. Oscar is as much to blame as anyone for this.
One of your mates did there jobs in the toilets last year still trying to get over that.
[quote][p][bold]Norfolk and way[/bold] wrote: It would be enjoyable if people had done their jobs properly in the first place. Too many sloppy performances are what will have cost us if we don't make it. Oscar is as much to blame as anyone for this.[/p][/quote]One of your mates did there jobs in the toilets last year still trying to get over that. rolivan
  • Score: -6

5:14pm Mon 28 Apr 14

the taffster says...

pablobrowno wrote:
Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!!
I don't want another season of Oscar and his negative formation and tactics.....totally bored with it.....football is about entertainment.
[quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!![/p][/quote]I don't want another season of Oscar and his negative formation and tactics.....totally bored with it.....football is about entertainment. the taffster
  • Score: -19

5:16pm Mon 28 Apr 14

wenners says...

pablobrowno wrote:
Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!!
He had a pre season this time . ....and the budget won't change .Burke will still be in control of transfers ... And many of this squad won't be here come July. What is going to change?
[quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!![/p][/quote]He had a pre season this time . ....and the budget won't change .Burke will still be in control of transfers ... And many of this squad won't be here come July. What is going to change? wenners
  • Score: -6

5:20pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Uckfield Seagull says...

Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club.

I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ).

If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.
Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club. I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ). If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have. Uckfield Seagull
  • Score: 73

5:26pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

wenners wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!!
He had a pre season this time . ....and the budget won't change .Burke will still be in control of transfers ... And many of this squad won't be here come July. What is going to change?
What's going to change? You've just mentioned it - the squad.
[quote][p][bold]wenners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!![/p][/quote]He had a pre season this time . ....and the budget won't change .Burke will still be in control of transfers ... And many of this squad won't be here come July. What is going to change?[/p][/quote]What's going to change? You've just mentioned it - the squad. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 6

5:30pm Mon 28 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

wenners wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!!
He had a pre season this time . ....and the budget won't change .Burke will still be in control of transfers ... And many of this squad won't be here come July. What is going to change?
'And many of the squad won't be here come July. What is going to change.?'

Errr just a wild guess but here goes, the squad will change.
[quote][p][bold]wenners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!![/p][/quote]He had a pre season this time . ....and the budget won't change .Burke will still be in control of transfers ... And many of this squad won't be here come July. What is going to change?[/p][/quote]'And many of the squad won't be here come July. What is going to change.?' Errr just a wild guess but here goes, the squad will change. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

6:00pm Mon 28 Apr 14

rolivan says...

On a slightly different note only one of the teams that got relegated last season have the chance to go up,which means at least 2 of them won't go up and with 3 more coming down the Championship is going to be probably the strongest it has ever been in terms of squads and budgets . The Elephant in the room FFP needs to be sorted otherwise we as one of the few teams that seem to be adhering to the rules will be penalised in a different way . I wonder what the penalties will be it should be at least a 10 point reduction
On a slightly different note only one of the teams that got relegated last season have the chance to go up,which means at least 2 of them won't go up and with 3 more coming down the Championship is going to be probably the strongest it has ever been in terms of squads and budgets . The Elephant in the room FFP needs to be sorted otherwise we as one of the few teams that seem to be adhering to the rules will be penalised in a different way . I wonder what the penalties will be it should be at least a 10 point reduction rolivan
  • Score: 7

6:03pm Mon 28 Apr 14

farside says...

Norfolk and way wrote:
It would be enjoyable if people had done their jobs properly in the first place. Too many sloppy performances are what will have cost us if we don't make it. Oscar is as much to blame as anyone for this.
I am sure your contributions would be both welcomed and more appropriate in the Croydon Observer.
As most Brighton fans will agree, Oscar has made a possibly unexpectedly promising start and will have learned from this year. A little more controlled aggression next season and we will be there or thereabouts again.
[quote][p][bold]Norfolk and way[/bold] wrote: It would be enjoyable if people had done their jobs properly in the first place. Too many sloppy performances are what will have cost us if we don't make it. Oscar is as much to blame as anyone for this.[/p][/quote]I am sure your contributions would be both welcomed and more appropriate in the Croydon Observer. As most Brighton fans will agree, Oscar has made a possibly unexpectedly promising start and will have learned from this year. A little more controlled aggression next season and we will be there or thereabouts again. farside
  • Score: 7

6:21pm Mon 28 Apr 14

fairweathersupporter says...

Uckfield Seagull wrote:
Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club.

I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ).

If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.
Whilst i agree with much of your sentiment and reasoning, i am left a little flat by what might have been (and if results go our way, might still be). Without wishing to sound ungrateful, this year has been a standing still kind of year. Last season i genuinely thought we were the better side on all but a few occasions at home (Watford being the obvious example). I concede that this season was difficult for a number of well stated reasons. However, the injuries produced opportunities for the youngsters, which they largely seized and the striking issues and options were no better last year, with injuries and questionable loans etc. If we make the play offs though, i think many will agree that we have been fortuitous; not that other clubs have also been without their respective problems.
My main concern is a lack of passion. There also seems to be an air of distraction in the camp that is being kept 'in house'. Whether this is to do with contracts or senior players not being happy with things remains to be seen (or not) or brushed under the carpet. I am far from having Gus coloured spectacles but we seemed to know what we were doing a bit more last season. And no i have not forgotten the Bolton, Birmingham and Ipswich games but their have been times this season where i have felt we were just going through the motions.
I too think OG has had a good season on paper. Is that just papering over the cracks though? Of course he remains manager (if he is happy to do so). He will have to manage and motivate his resources with a bit more gusto (no pun intended) and tactical nouse for me to be converted. We have not struggled for a team this season despite all the injuries. The midfield has been a bit light. Crofts is probably the biggest loss despite all the striker talk. The overall squad available was as good if not better than last season. I have said before if we had of won the league with uninspiring 1-0 wins every week, the 'entertain me' brigade would soon change their tune but such is the fickle nature of success poured but not yet tasted. Come Oscar Garcia, let's drink sangria...
[quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club. I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ). If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.[/p][/quote]Whilst i agree with much of your sentiment and reasoning, i am left a little flat by what might have been (and if results go our way, might still be). Without wishing to sound ungrateful, this year has been a standing still kind of year. Last season i genuinely thought we were the better side on all but a few occasions at home (Watford being the obvious example). I concede that this season was difficult for a number of well stated reasons. However, the injuries produced opportunities for the youngsters, which they largely seized and the striking issues and options were no better last year, with injuries and questionable loans etc. If we make the play offs though, i think many will agree that we have been fortuitous; not that other clubs have also been without their respective problems. My main concern is a lack of passion. There also seems to be an air of distraction in the camp that is being kept 'in house'. Whether this is to do with contracts or senior players not being happy with things remains to be seen (or not) or brushed under the carpet. I am far from having Gus coloured spectacles but we seemed to know what we were doing a bit more last season. And no i have not forgotten the Bolton, Birmingham and Ipswich games but their have been times this season where i have felt we were just going through the motions. I too think OG has had a good season on paper. Is that just papering over the cracks though? Of course he remains manager (if he is happy to do so). He will have to manage and motivate his resources with a bit more gusto (no pun intended) and tactical nouse for me to be converted. We have not struggled for a team this season despite all the injuries. The midfield has been a bit light. Crofts is probably the biggest loss despite all the striker talk. The overall squad available was as good if not better than last season. I have said before if we had of won the league with uninspiring 1-0 wins every week, the 'entertain me' brigade would soon change their tune but such is the fickle nature of success poured but not yet tasted. Come Oscar Garcia, let's drink sangria... fairweathersupporter
  • Score: 5

6:41pm Mon 28 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

fairweathersupporter wrote:
Uckfield Seagull wrote:
Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club.

I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ).

If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.
Whilst i agree with much of your sentiment and reasoning, i am left a little flat by what might have been (and if results go our way, might still be). Without wishing to sound ungrateful, this year has been a standing still kind of year. Last season i genuinely thought we were the better side on all but a few occasions at home (Watford being the obvious example). I concede that this season was difficult for a number of well stated reasons. However, the injuries produced opportunities for the youngsters, which they largely seized and the striking issues and options were no better last year, with injuries and questionable loans etc. If we make the play offs though, i think many will agree that we have been fortuitous; not that other clubs have also been without their respective problems.
My main concern is a lack of passion. There also seems to be an air of distraction in the camp that is being kept 'in house'. Whether this is to do with contracts or senior players not being happy with things remains to be seen (or not) or brushed under the carpet. I am far from having Gus coloured spectacles but we seemed to know what we were doing a bit more last season. And no i have not forgotten the Bolton, Birmingham and Ipswich games but their have been times this season where i have felt we were just going through the motions.
I too think OG has had a good season on paper. Is that just papering over the cracks though? Of course he remains manager (if he is happy to do so). He will have to manage and motivate his resources with a bit more gusto (no pun intended) and tactical nouse for me to be converted. We have not struggled for a team this season despite all the injuries. The midfield has been a bit light. Crofts is probably the biggest loss despite all the striker talk. The overall squad available was as good if not better than last season. I have said before if we had of won the league with uninspiring 1-0 wins every week, the 'entertain me' brigade would soon change their tune but such is the fickle nature of success poured but not yet tasted. Come Oscar Garcia, let's drink sangria...
I kind of agree, however he deserves another chance, football has been dire , results not as bad as that, how he builds a squad is the biggest question, will he be given a budget which we were told would be bigger this season, but has failed in quality in terms of signings to date... And how much control will he have over that pre season? The idea a manager needs a head of football during the season may be right, however pre season does he need help?
[quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club. I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ). If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.[/p][/quote]Whilst i agree with much of your sentiment and reasoning, i am left a little flat by what might have been (and if results go our way, might still be). Without wishing to sound ungrateful, this year has been a standing still kind of year. Last season i genuinely thought we were the better side on all but a few occasions at home (Watford being the obvious example). I concede that this season was difficult for a number of well stated reasons. However, the injuries produced opportunities for the youngsters, which they largely seized and the striking issues and options were no better last year, with injuries and questionable loans etc. If we make the play offs though, i think many will agree that we have been fortuitous; not that other clubs have also been without their respective problems. My main concern is a lack of passion. There also seems to be an air of distraction in the camp that is being kept 'in house'. Whether this is to do with contracts or senior players not being happy with things remains to be seen (or not) or brushed under the carpet. I am far from having Gus coloured spectacles but we seemed to know what we were doing a bit more last season. And no i have not forgotten the Bolton, Birmingham and Ipswich games but their have been times this season where i have felt we were just going through the motions. I too think OG has had a good season on paper. Is that just papering over the cracks though? Of course he remains manager (if he is happy to do so). He will have to manage and motivate his resources with a bit more gusto (no pun intended) and tactical nouse for me to be converted. We have not struggled for a team this season despite all the injuries. The midfield has been a bit light. Crofts is probably the biggest loss despite all the striker talk. The overall squad available was as good if not better than last season. I have said before if we had of won the league with uninspiring 1-0 wins every week, the 'entertain me' brigade would soon change their tune but such is the fickle nature of success poured but not yet tasted. Come Oscar Garcia, let's drink sangria...[/p][/quote]I kind of agree, however he deserves another chance, football has been dire , results not as bad as that, how he builds a squad is the biggest question, will he be given a budget which we were told would be bigger this season, but has failed in quality in terms of signings to date... And how much control will he have over that pre season? The idea a manager needs a head of football during the season may be right, however pre season does he need help? mark by the sea
  • Score: 8

6:45pm Mon 28 Apr 14

JeffLomer says...

the taffster wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!!
I don't want another season of Oscar and his negative formation and tactics.....totally bored with it.....football is about entertainment.
Oscar is not going anywhere does your ticket say your be entertained on it no it does not, they try there best to entertain us week in week out, if you don't enjoy what your watching then don't go easy really!!!
Up the Albion!!!!
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!![/p][/quote]I don't want another season of Oscar and his negative formation and tactics.....totally bored with it.....football is about entertainment.[/p][/quote]Oscar is not going anywhere does your ticket say your be entertained on it no it does not, they try there best to entertain us week in week out, if you don't enjoy what your watching then don't go easy really!!! Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 2

6:53pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Neville says...

Uckfield Seagull
A good balanced article and like you I have been a long time supporter and season ticket holder. Overall OG has done fairly well, but lets also remember
there was an increase in the playing budget from when GP was here and I have seen every home game and the majority have been generally poor and lacking adventure. There have been exceptions and the best performance in my opinion was against Wigan once we went 0-2 down.
The team selections have tended to favour defence rather than the emphasis being on attack and for the whole season we have played the lone target man which frankly just has not worked,my gripe is that nothing was done to change the formation.
It was also an error in letting Barnes go before a replacement was found and a shame we did not get Conway who was the only winger who actually looked up before crossing and delivered pacey crosses.
Regardless I hope OG is supported financially for next season and that FFP does not overshadow everything on the pitch.
Fingers crossed for Saturday.
Uckfield Seagull A good balanced article and like you I have been a long time supporter and season ticket holder. Overall OG has done fairly well, but lets also remember there was an increase in the playing budget from when GP was here and I have seen every home game and the majority have been generally poor and lacking adventure. There have been exceptions and the best performance in my opinion was against Wigan once we went 0-2 down. The team selections have tended to favour defence rather than the emphasis being on attack and for the whole season we have played the lone target man which frankly just has not worked,my gripe is that nothing was done to change the formation. It was also an error in letting Barnes go before a replacement was found and a shame we did not get Conway who was the only winger who actually looked up before crossing and delivered pacey crosses. Regardless I hope OG is supported financially for next season and that FFP does not overshadow everything on the pitch. Fingers crossed for Saturday. Neville
  • Score: 12

7:06pm Mon 28 Apr 14

fairweathersupporter says...

mark by the sea wrote:
fairweathersupporter wrote:
Uckfield Seagull wrote:
Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club.

I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ).

If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.
Whilst i agree with much of your sentiment and reasoning, i am left a little flat by what might have been (and if results go our way, might still be). Without wishing to sound ungrateful, this year has been a standing still kind of year. Last season i genuinely thought we were the better side on all but a few occasions at home (Watford being the obvious example). I concede that this season was difficult for a number of well stated reasons. However, the injuries produced opportunities for the youngsters, which they largely seized and the striking issues and options were no better last year, with injuries and questionable loans etc. If we make the play offs though, i think many will agree that we have been fortuitous; not that other clubs have also been without their respective problems.
My main concern is a lack of passion. There also seems to be an air of distraction in the camp that is being kept 'in house'. Whether this is to do with contracts or senior players not being happy with things remains to be seen (or not) or brushed under the carpet. I am far from having Gus coloured spectacles but we seemed to know what we were doing a bit more last season. And no i have not forgotten the Bolton, Birmingham and Ipswich games but their have been times this season where i have felt we were just going through the motions.
I too think OG has had a good season on paper. Is that just papering over the cracks though? Of course he remains manager (if he is happy to do so). He will have to manage and motivate his resources with a bit more gusto (no pun intended) and tactical nouse for me to be converted. We have not struggled for a team this season despite all the injuries. The midfield has been a bit light. Crofts is probably the biggest loss despite all the striker talk. The overall squad available was as good if not better than last season. I have said before if we had of won the league with uninspiring 1-0 wins every week, the 'entertain me' brigade would soon change their tune but such is the fickle nature of success poured but not yet tasted. Come Oscar Garcia, let's drink sangria...
I kind of agree, however he deserves another chance, football has been dire , results not as bad as that, how he builds a squad is the biggest question, will he be given a budget which we were told would be bigger this season, but has failed in quality in terms of signings to date... And how much control will he have over that pre season? The idea a manager needs a head of football during the season may be right, however pre season does he need help?
I think the thing is Mark, that he was brought in as a coach. He didn't build a team at Tel Aviv or at Barca. His opinion on the abilities of a player are what counts, the fact we may have already signed them (no doubt with some input from him) is perhaps going to be telling. If he has contacts and his own network, then this has not been evident so far. But the signings have not been THAT bad (based on budget etc etc, i know we'd all like to splash the cash but it ain't fantasy football), so his signings or not, we go back to his coaching abilities. And i guess we'll find out next season the true extent of these...
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club. I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ). If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.[/p][/quote]Whilst i agree with much of your sentiment and reasoning, i am left a little flat by what might have been (and if results go our way, might still be). Without wishing to sound ungrateful, this year has been a standing still kind of year. Last season i genuinely thought we were the better side on all but a few occasions at home (Watford being the obvious example). I concede that this season was difficult for a number of well stated reasons. However, the injuries produced opportunities for the youngsters, which they largely seized and the striking issues and options were no better last year, with injuries and questionable loans etc. If we make the play offs though, i think many will agree that we have been fortuitous; not that other clubs have also been without their respective problems. My main concern is a lack of passion. There also seems to be an air of distraction in the camp that is being kept 'in house'. Whether this is to do with contracts or senior players not being happy with things remains to be seen (or not) or brushed under the carpet. I am far from having Gus coloured spectacles but we seemed to know what we were doing a bit more last season. And no i have not forgotten the Bolton, Birmingham and Ipswich games but their have been times this season where i have felt we were just going through the motions. I too think OG has had a good season on paper. Is that just papering over the cracks though? Of course he remains manager (if he is happy to do so). He will have to manage and motivate his resources with a bit more gusto (no pun intended) and tactical nouse for me to be converted. We have not struggled for a team this season despite all the injuries. The midfield has been a bit light. Crofts is probably the biggest loss despite all the striker talk. The overall squad available was as good if not better than last season. I have said before if we had of won the league with uninspiring 1-0 wins every week, the 'entertain me' brigade would soon change their tune but such is the fickle nature of success poured but not yet tasted. Come Oscar Garcia, let's drink sangria...[/p][/quote]I kind of agree, however he deserves another chance, football has been dire , results not as bad as that, how he builds a squad is the biggest question, will he be given a budget which we were told would be bigger this season, but has failed in quality in terms of signings to date... And how much control will he have over that pre season? The idea a manager needs a head of football during the season may be right, however pre season does he need help?[/p][/quote]I think the thing is Mark, that he was brought in as a coach. He didn't build a team at Tel Aviv or at Barca. His opinion on the abilities of a player are what counts, the fact we may have already signed them (no doubt with some input from him) is perhaps going to be telling. If he has contacts and his own network, then this has not been evident so far. But the signings have not been THAT bad (based on budget etc etc, i know we'd all like to splash the cash but it ain't fantasy football), so his signings or not, we go back to his coaching abilities. And i guess we'll find out next season the true extent of these... fairweathersupporter
  • Score: 5

7:17pm Mon 28 Apr 14

VegasSeagull says...

Much has been said about the level of, 'entertaiment,' provided by the teams sent out, or the lack of said entertainment, but if you change the word to, 'entertaining,' and then add the word, 'pleasing,' you have two words offering different results.

A match we lose could be highly entertaining but the result might not be pleasing. Does a loyal fan of the club, those that have followed the club thru thick and thin, home and away, want a pleasing result ahead of being entertained, or does the new fan want to be entertained before a pleasing result. There are matches when we have not played well, ergo not entertained, but got three points, and that is pleasing.

I am not sure how we can look for entertainment as a priority when buying a ticket, if the oposition park the bus it might be inevitable that the entertaiment level drops, it takes two to tango, but if we gain three points from such a match, at least we go home pleased a having got the points.

I think running a football club requires those in power to tread a very fine line, yes the fans want to be entertained but they also want results, and at our level that might require more money than is available to invest in the players to deliver both on a regular basis.
Those that, 'require,' that the entertaiment level to be hgh when visiting the Amex, might be better off buying a ticket to the Rod Stewart show, that will be entertaining, but a football match, well the only certainty you have is that it will end in a win, draw or loss, and for some that might be enough and they will just hope it's also enterataining.
Much has been said about the level of, 'entertaiment,' provided by the teams sent out, or the lack of said entertainment, but if you change the word to, 'entertaining,' and then add the word, 'pleasing,' you have two words offering different results. A match we lose could be highly entertaining but the result might not be pleasing. Does a loyal fan of the club, those that have followed the club thru thick and thin, home and away, want a pleasing result ahead of being entertained, or does the new fan want to be entertained before a pleasing result. There are matches when we have not played well, ergo not entertained, but got three points, and that is pleasing. I am not sure how we can look for entertainment as a priority when buying a ticket, if the oposition park the bus it might be inevitable that the entertaiment level drops, it takes two to tango, but if we gain three points from such a match, at least we go home pleased a having got the points. I think running a football club requires those in power to tread a very fine line, yes the fans want to be entertained but they also want results, and at our level that might require more money than is available to invest in the players to deliver both on a regular basis. Those that, 'require,' that the entertaiment level to be hgh when visiting the Amex, might be better off buying a ticket to the Rod Stewart show, that will be entertaining, but a football match, well the only certainty you have is that it will end in a win, draw or loss, and for some that might be enough and they will just hope it's also enterataining. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

7:38pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!!
I'm not entirely convinced OG will still be here, but if he is it will be interesting to see how he performs without his L plates...
What makes you think he won't be here, Willie?
Ex-pat, nothing more than gut feel. I get the impression both OG and the club are lukewarm about what they've got from the other. Oscar didn't hang around in Tel Aviv and I reckon he will think hard about the future here, especially if there is interest from elsewhere. I'm probably getting my adding up totally wrong, but time will tell.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willie, Willie Irvine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!![/p][/quote]I'm not entirely convinced OG will still be here, but if he is it will be interesting to see how he performs without his L plates...[/p][/quote]What makes you think he won't be here, Willie?[/p][/quote]Ex-pat, nothing more than gut feel. I get the impression both OG and the club are lukewarm about what they've got from the other. Oscar didn't hang around in Tel Aviv and I reckon he will think hard about the future here, especially if there is interest from elsewhere. I'm probably getting my adding up totally wrong, but time will tell. Willie, Willie Irvine
  • Score: 1

7:43pm Mon 28 Apr 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

Norfolk and way wrote:
It would be enjoyable if people had done their jobs properly in the first place. Too many sloppy performances are what will have cost us if we don't make it. Oscar is as much to blame as anyone for this.
You are the most negative p...k I have come across on this site.P..s off to Palarse.
[quote][p][bold]Norfolk and way[/bold] wrote: It would be enjoyable if people had done their jobs properly in the first place. Too many sloppy performances are what will have cost us if we don't make it. Oscar is as much to blame as anyone for this.[/p][/quote]You are the most negative p...k I have come across on this site.P..s off to Palarse. SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 3

7:47pm Mon 28 Apr 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

Uckfield Seagull wrote:
Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club.

I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ).

If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.
Brilliant post-well done!
[quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club. I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ). If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.[/p][/quote]Brilliant post-well done! SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 3

7:52pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Neville says...

In his post match interview with Sky OG commented that we were probably the only team to be weakened over the transfer window and he was correct. We lost Bridcutt and Barnes and of course Crofts to injury.
The Bridcutt money has been kept within the Amex vaults along with the Barnes fee (now widely reported to be only 450k).Ok we spent a very small amount on Stephens and we lost out on Conway and Grabban(not OGs fault)
but we have not spent wisely,if at all. Lingard was a good acquisition but how can anyone justify the Augustien fiasco, a player never seen on a 2 year contract.
I think this is the real crux of OG gripe and may well be the reason he leaves. Shades of the issues GP had with the club.
In his post match interview with Sky OG commented that we were probably the only team to be weakened over the transfer window and he was correct. We lost Bridcutt and Barnes and of course Crofts to injury. The Bridcutt money has been kept within the Amex vaults along with the Barnes fee (now widely reported to be only 450k).Ok we spent a very small amount on Stephens and we lost out on Conway and Grabban(not OGs fault) but we have not spent wisely,if at all. Lingard was a good acquisition but how can anyone justify the Augustien fiasco, a player never seen on a 2 year contract. I think this is the real crux of OG gripe and may well be the reason he leaves. Shades of the issues GP had with the club. Neville
  • Score: 2

7:54pm Mon 28 Apr 14

brightonup says...

Whether Garcia goes or stays, I think he has done a good job for us.
Ultimately, as has been pointed out in previous posts, football is a results-based business.
With a modest budget, season long injuries to key players, and the spectre of Gus Poyet hovering around for Bridcutt in January, Garcia has endured some extraordinary obstacles and enjoyed a good level of success.
In the light of all this I think it was unrealistic to have expected we would have it all - success on the pitch, 'flair' football and prudent financial management. Oscar has given us a fair success rate and most of us would like to see him here to have another crack at promotion next season....
Whether Garcia goes or stays, I think he has done a good job for us. Ultimately, as has been pointed out in previous posts, football is a results-based business. With a modest budget, season long injuries to key players, and the spectre of Gus Poyet hovering around for Bridcutt in January, Garcia has endured some extraordinary obstacles and enjoyed a good level of success. In the light of all this I think it was unrealistic to have expected we would have it all - success on the pitch, 'flair' football and prudent financial management. Oscar has given us a fair success rate and most of us would like to see him here to have another crack at promotion next season.... brightonup
  • Score: 7

8:03pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ringtone says...

JeffLomer wrote:
the taffster wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!!
I don't want another season of Oscar and his negative formation and tactics.....totally bored with it.....football is about entertainment.
Oscar is not going anywhere does your ticket say your be entertained on it no it does not, they try there best to entertain us week in week out, if you don't enjoy what your watching then don't go easy really!!!
Up the Albion!!!!
Ignore the attention seeking troll, tafster.

All football clubs have got em, nothing special about BHA.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!![/p][/quote]I don't want another season of Oscar and his negative formation and tactics.....totally bored with it.....football is about entertainment.[/p][/quote]Oscar is not going anywhere does your ticket say your be entertained on it no it does not, they try there best to entertain us week in week out, if you don't enjoy what your watching then don't go easy really!!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]Ignore the attention seeking troll, tafster. All football clubs have got em, nothing special about BHA. ringtone
  • Score: -3

8:06pm Mon 28 Apr 14

brightonup says...

Please.... don't feed the fish
Please.... don't feed the fish brightonup
  • Score: 3

8:07pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ringtone says...

brightonup wrote:
Whether Garcia goes or stays, I think he has done a good job for us.
Ultimately, as has been pointed out in previous posts, football is a results-based business.
With a modest budget, season long injuries to key players, and the spectre of Gus Poyet hovering around for Bridcutt in January, Garcia has endured some extraordinary obstacles and enjoyed a good level of success.
In the light of all this I think it was unrealistic to have expected we would have it all - success on the pitch, 'flair' football and prudent financial management. Oscar has given us a fair success rate and most of us would like to see him here to have another crack at promotion next season....
I cant fault this.

A near perfect summation of the season.

Take a bow, brightonup
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: Whether Garcia goes or stays, I think he has done a good job for us. Ultimately, as has been pointed out in previous posts, football is a results-based business. With a modest budget, season long injuries to key players, and the spectre of Gus Poyet hovering around for Bridcutt in January, Garcia has endured some extraordinary obstacles and enjoyed a good level of success. In the light of all this I think it was unrealistic to have expected we would have it all - success on the pitch, 'flair' football and prudent financial management. Oscar has given us a fair success rate and most of us would like to see him here to have another crack at promotion next season....[/p][/quote]I cant fault this. A near perfect summation of the season. Take a bow, brightonup ringtone
  • Score: 4

8:14pm Mon 28 Apr 14

namgo49 says...

The season is finished now as we shall finish just outside the play offs. So it’s Championship football again next year at the Amex, which is no bad thing as long as we perform, particularly better at home, than this season. 10 wins at the Amex is nowhere near good enough.

So what about the squad, many of them out of contract or on loan. I’ll do the maths and see how I think it will turn out:-

Kuszczak – May stay and we should offer a two year deal
Brezovan – To go, not up to the standard required
Ankergren – To go, not up to the standard required
Walton – DS – Promote to 1st cover for TK

Bruno – Offer 1 year deal. Knocking on a bit now and has had some eccentric moments this season.
Calderon – Offer 1 year deal as I still think he can perform at this level.
Upson – To go, has been brilliant but I cannot see he can make a worthwhile contribution for another year.
Greer – To go, same as for Upson.
Chicksen – Still on contract
Dunk – Still on contract
Ward – Loan ends, offer 2 year deal. Player of the season in my book. Always fit and available, too, his game has developed to more attack minded.

Andrews – Loan end – To go. No up to it, I’m afraid.
Agustein – Waste of time and money. Pay up the year on his contract and release
Lopez – To go, minimal contribution this season
Lingard – Loan end – To go, has not performed as one would have hoped.
Stephens – Still on contract
Orlandi – Offer 1 year deal. Class act but needs to prove fitness.
Lualua – Offer 2 year deal. Good impact player.
Ince – Still on contract
Crofts – Still on contract, but long term injury
Forster-Caskey – Still on contract
March – Just started ludicrously long contract

Ulloa – Still on contract, but may go if his ambitions drive him
CMS - Still on contract
Hoskins – To go, too injury prone
Rodriguez – To go, not sure why he was signed in the 1st place.
Buckley – Still on contract but, as for Ulloa, may go. His injuries though may prove a stumbling block for him.

So of the 27 players listed I reckon at most 17 will be here next season. Probably only 14 and Crofts still long term injured and no obvious Club Captain on the books. We needs player(s) in all areas, the cost of replacements will be crippling and integration of new players challenging, so I am really worried about things, particularly as the players signed this year have been a bit of a mixed bag. Am I being too pessimistic? (Apologies if I have got some of my facts wrong but I think they are there or thereabouts)
The season is finished now as we shall finish just outside the play offs. So it’s Championship football again next year at the Amex, which is no bad thing as long as we perform, particularly better at home, than this season. 10 wins at the Amex is nowhere near good enough. So what about the squad, many of them out of contract or on loan. I’ll do the maths and see how I think it will turn out:- Kuszczak – May stay and we should offer a two year deal Brezovan – To go, not up to the standard required Ankergren – To go, not up to the standard required Walton – DS – Promote to 1st cover for TK Bruno – Offer 1 year deal. Knocking on a bit now and has had some eccentric moments this season. Calderon – Offer 1 year deal as I still think he can perform at this level. Upson – To go, has been brilliant but I cannot see he can make a worthwhile contribution for another year. Greer – To go, same as for Upson. Chicksen – Still on contract Dunk – Still on contract Ward – Loan ends, offer 2 year deal. Player of the season in my book. Always fit and available, too, his game has developed to more attack minded. Andrews – Loan end – To go. No up to it, I’m afraid. Agustein – Waste of time and money. Pay up the year on his contract and release Lopez – To go, minimal contribution this season Lingard – Loan end – To go, has not performed as one would have hoped. Stephens – Still on contract Orlandi – Offer 1 year deal. Class act but needs to prove fitness. Lualua – Offer 2 year deal. Good impact player. Ince – Still on contract Crofts – Still on contract, but long term injury Forster-Caskey – Still on contract March – Just started ludicrously long contract Ulloa – Still on contract, but may go if his ambitions drive him CMS - Still on contract Hoskins – To go, too injury prone Rodriguez – To go, not sure why he was signed in the 1st place. Buckley – Still on contract but, as for Ulloa, may go. His injuries though may prove a stumbling block for him. So of the 27 players listed I reckon at most 17 will be here next season. Probably only 14 and Crofts still long term injured and no obvious Club Captain on the books. We needs player(s) in all areas, the cost of replacements will be crippling and integration of new players challenging, so I am really worried about things, particularly as the players signed this year have been a bit of a mixed bag. Am I being too pessimistic? (Apologies if I have got some of my facts wrong but I think they are there or thereabouts) namgo49
  • Score: -5

8:24pm Mon 28 Apr 14

JeffLomer says...

ringtone wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
the taffster wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!!
I don't want another season of Oscar and his negative formation and tactics.....totally bored with it.....football is about entertainment.
Oscar is not going anywhere does your ticket say your be entertained on it no it does not, they try there best to entertain us week in week out, if you don't enjoy what your watching then don't go easy really!!!
Up the Albion!!!!
Ignore the attention seeking troll, tafster.

All football clubs have got em, nothing special about BHA.
Pot and Kettle come to mind with you two morons
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!![/p][/quote]I don't want another season of Oscar and his negative formation and tactics.....totally bored with it.....football is about entertainment.[/p][/quote]Oscar is not going anywhere does your ticket say your be entertained on it no it does not, they try there best to entertain us week in week out, if you don't enjoy what your watching then don't go easy really!!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]Ignore the attention seeking troll, tafster. All football clubs have got em, nothing special about BHA.[/p][/quote]Pot and Kettle come to mind with you two morons JeffLomer
  • Score: 0

8:28pm Mon 28 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

namgo49 wrote:
The season is finished now as we shall finish just outside the play offs. So it’s Championship football again next year at the Amex, which is no bad thing as long as we perform, particularly better at home, than this season. 10 wins at the Amex is nowhere near good enough.

So what about the squad, many of them out of contract or on loan. I’ll do the maths and see how I think it will turn out:-

Kuszczak – May stay and we should offer a two year deal
Brezovan – To go, not up to the standard required
Ankergren – To go, not up to the standard required
Walton – DS – Promote to 1st cover for TK

Bruno – Offer 1 year deal. Knocking on a bit now and has had some eccentric moments this season.
Calderon – Offer 1 year deal as I still think he can perform at this level.
Upson – To go, has been brilliant but I cannot see he can make a worthwhile contribution for another year.
Greer – To go, same as for Upson.
Chicksen – Still on contract
Dunk – Still on contract
Ward – Loan ends, offer 2 year deal. Player of the season in my book. Always fit and available, too, his game has developed to more attack minded.

Andrews – Loan end – To go. No up to it, I’m afraid.
Agustein – Waste of time and money. Pay up the year on his contract and release
Lopez – To go, minimal contribution this season
Lingard – Loan end – To go, has not performed as one would have hoped.
Stephens – Still on contract
Orlandi – Offer 1 year deal. Class act but needs to prove fitness.
Lualua – Offer 2 year deal. Good impact player.
Ince – Still on contract
Crofts – Still on contract, but long term injury
Forster-Caskey – Still on contract
March – Just started ludicrously long contract

Ulloa – Still on contract, but may go if his ambitions drive him
CMS - Still on contract
Hoskins – To go, too injury prone
Rodriguez – To go, not sure why he was signed in the 1st place.
Buckley – Still on contract but, as for Ulloa, may go. His injuries though may prove a stumbling block for him.

So of the 27 players listed I reckon at most 17 will be here next season. Probably only 14 and Crofts still long term injured and no obvious Club Captain on the books. We needs player(s) in all areas, the cost of replacements will be crippling and integration of new players challenging, so I am really worried about things, particularly as the players signed this year have been a bit of a mixed bag. Am I being too pessimistic? (Apologies if I have got some of my facts wrong but I think they are there or thereabouts)
I think you sum up the problems of Gus going, in that the manager had to come in and take over without any real knowledge of his squad.
Had Gus stayed I would have thought he would have brought in one or two he had ear marked as replacements .. And those changes would have been more progressive.
Trying to replace the whole defence leads to problems with organising etc.
I think the lad Walton needs to go out on loan before being thrown in.
What worries me is more augustin type signings... He must have had a medical... Why was he in side over weight? Seems poor to allow someone who was carrying a stone plus should even be considered? Who made the decision to sign someone with a poor track record ? I would imagine he is on 10-12k a week...or over two years 1 million pounds!
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: The season is finished now as we shall finish just outside the play offs. So it’s Championship football again next year at the Amex, which is no bad thing as long as we perform, particularly better at home, than this season. 10 wins at the Amex is nowhere near good enough. So what about the squad, many of them out of contract or on loan. I’ll do the maths and see how I think it will turn out:- Kuszczak – May stay and we should offer a two year deal Brezovan – To go, not up to the standard required Ankergren – To go, not up to the standard required Walton – DS – Promote to 1st cover for TK Bruno – Offer 1 year deal. Knocking on a bit now and has had some eccentric moments this season. Calderon – Offer 1 year deal as I still think he can perform at this level. Upson – To go, has been brilliant but I cannot see he can make a worthwhile contribution for another year. Greer – To go, same as for Upson. Chicksen – Still on contract Dunk – Still on contract Ward – Loan ends, offer 2 year deal. Player of the season in my book. Always fit and available, too, his game has developed to more attack minded. Andrews – Loan end – To go. No up to it, I’m afraid. Agustein – Waste of time and money. Pay up the year on his contract and release Lopez – To go, minimal contribution this season Lingard – Loan end – To go, has not performed as one would have hoped. Stephens – Still on contract Orlandi – Offer 1 year deal. Class act but needs to prove fitness. Lualua – Offer 2 year deal. Good impact player. Ince – Still on contract Crofts – Still on contract, but long term injury Forster-Caskey – Still on contract March – Just started ludicrously long contract Ulloa – Still on contract, but may go if his ambitions drive him CMS - Still on contract Hoskins – To go, too injury prone Rodriguez – To go, not sure why he was signed in the 1st place. Buckley – Still on contract but, as for Ulloa, may go. His injuries though may prove a stumbling block for him. So of the 27 players listed I reckon at most 17 will be here next season. Probably only 14 and Crofts still long term injured and no obvious Club Captain on the books. We needs player(s) in all areas, the cost of replacements will be crippling and integration of new players challenging, so I am really worried about things, particularly as the players signed this year have been a bit of a mixed bag. Am I being too pessimistic? (Apologies if I have got some of my facts wrong but I think they are there or thereabouts)[/p][/quote]I think you sum up the problems of Gus going, in that the manager had to come in and take over without any real knowledge of his squad. Had Gus stayed I would have thought he would have brought in one or two he had ear marked as replacements .. And those changes would have been more progressive. Trying to replace the whole defence leads to problems with organising etc. I think the lad Walton needs to go out on loan before being thrown in. What worries me is more augustin type signings... He must have had a medical... Why was he in side over weight? Seems poor to allow someone who was carrying a stone plus should even be considered? Who made the decision to sign someone with a poor track record ? I would imagine he is on 10-12k a week...or over two years 1 million pounds! mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

8:33pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Uckfield Seagull says...

namgo49 wrote:
The season is finished now as we shall finish just outside the play offs. So it’s Championship football again next year at the Amex, which is no bad thing as long as we perform, particularly better at home, than this season. 10 wins at the Amex is nowhere near good enough. So what about the squad, many of them out of contract or on loan. I’ll do the maths and see how I think it will turn out:- Kuszczak – May stay and we should offer a two year deal Brezovan – To go, not up to the standard required Ankergren – To go, not up to the standard required Walton – DS – Promote to 1st cover for TK Bruno – Offer 1 year deal. Knocking on a bit now and has had some eccentric moments this season. Calderon – Offer 1 year deal as I still think he can perform at this level. Upson – To go, has been brilliant but I cannot see he can make a worthwhile contribution for another year. Greer – To go, same as for Upson. Chicksen – Still on contract Dunk – Still on contract Ward – Loan ends, offer 2 year deal. Player of the season in my book. Always fit and available, too, his game has developed to more attack minded. Andrews – Loan end – To go. No up to it, I’m afraid. Agustein – Waste of time and money. Pay up the year on his contract and release Lopez – To go, minimal contribution this season Lingard – Loan end – To go, has not performed as one would have hoped. Stephens – Still on contract Orlandi – Offer 1 year deal. Class act but needs to prove fitness. Lualua – Offer 2 year deal. Good impact player. Ince – Still on contract Crofts – Still on contract, but long term injury Forster-Caskey – Still on contract March – Just started ludicrously long contract Ulloa – Still on contract, but may go if his ambitions drive him CMS - Still on contract Hoskins – To go, too injury prone Rodriguez – To go, not sure why he was signed in the 1st place. Buckley – Still on contract but, as for Ulloa, may go. His injuries though may prove a stumbling block for him. So of the 27 players listed I reckon at most 17 will be here next season. Probably only 14 and Crofts still long term injured and no obvious Club Captain on the books. We needs player(s) in all areas, the cost of replacements will be crippling and integration of new players challenging, so I am really worried about things, particularly as the players signed this year have been a bit of a mixed bag. Am I being too pessimistic? (Apologies if I have got some of my facts wrong but I think they are there or thereabouts)
Blimey, are you actually OG, from the outside looking in, I feel Andrews, Kemy, Brezovan, Ankergren and Rodriquez have to leave, not up to it, the rest you mention I see no reason why anybody should leave, we need to sign some defenders and a keeper for sure, but going forward, if we keep our midfielders and strikers fit, we will defo score goals, midfield of Buckley, Orlandi, Crofts and Ince will surely drive us forward
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: The season is finished now as we shall finish just outside the play offs. So it’s Championship football again next year at the Amex, which is no bad thing as long as we perform, particularly better at home, than this season. 10 wins at the Amex is nowhere near good enough. So what about the squad, many of them out of contract or on loan. I’ll do the maths and see how I think it will turn out:- Kuszczak – May stay and we should offer a two year deal Brezovan – To go, not up to the standard required Ankergren – To go, not up to the standard required Walton – DS – Promote to 1st cover for TK Bruno – Offer 1 year deal. Knocking on a bit now and has had some eccentric moments this season. Calderon – Offer 1 year deal as I still think he can perform at this level. Upson – To go, has been brilliant but I cannot see he can make a worthwhile contribution for another year. Greer – To go, same as for Upson. Chicksen – Still on contract Dunk – Still on contract Ward – Loan ends, offer 2 year deal. Player of the season in my book. Always fit and available, too, his game has developed to more attack minded. Andrews – Loan end – To go. No up to it, I’m afraid. Agustein – Waste of time and money. Pay up the year on his contract and release Lopez – To go, minimal contribution this season Lingard – Loan end – To go, has not performed as one would have hoped. Stephens – Still on contract Orlandi – Offer 1 year deal. Class act but needs to prove fitness. Lualua – Offer 2 year deal. Good impact player. Ince – Still on contract Crofts – Still on contract, but long term injury Forster-Caskey – Still on contract March – Just started ludicrously long contract Ulloa – Still on contract, but may go if his ambitions drive him CMS - Still on contract Hoskins – To go, too injury prone Rodriguez – To go, not sure why he was signed in the 1st place. Buckley – Still on contract but, as for Ulloa, may go. His injuries though may prove a stumbling block for him. So of the 27 players listed I reckon at most 17 will be here next season. Probably only 14 and Crofts still long term injured and no obvious Club Captain on the books. We needs player(s) in all areas, the cost of replacements will be crippling and integration of new players challenging, so I am really worried about things, particularly as the players signed this year have been a bit of a mixed bag. Am I being too pessimistic? (Apologies if I have got some of my facts wrong but I think they are there or thereabouts)[/p][/quote]Blimey, are you actually OG, from the outside looking in, I feel Andrews, Kemy, Brezovan, Ankergren and Rodriquez have to leave, not up to it, the rest you mention I see no reason why anybody should leave, we need to sign some defenders and a keeper for sure, but going forward, if we keep our midfielders and strikers fit, we will defo score goals, midfield of Buckley, Orlandi, Crofts and Ince will surely drive us forward Uckfield Seagull
  • Score: 2

8:40pm Mon 28 Apr 14

KeefyH44 says...

JeffLomer wrote:
the taffster wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!!
I don't want another season of Oscar and his negative formation and tactics.....totally bored with it.....football is about entertainment.
Oscar is not going anywhere does your ticket say your be entertained on it no it does not, they try there best to entertain us week in week out, if you don't enjoy what your watching then don't go easy really!!!
Up the Albion!!!!
Thoroughly agree! It's all very well demanding to be entertained but how ever much you spend, you don't risk your job each and every time the Albion play-Oscar, and every other manager, (or coach), does! However much they want to play entertaining football, they must have it in mind not to lose.
How would you feel if, every day that you go to work, you know that there's a possibility that even if you try really hard, you might be facing the sack at the end of the week?
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!![/p][/quote]I don't want another season of Oscar and his negative formation and tactics.....totally bored with it.....football is about entertainment.[/p][/quote]Oscar is not going anywhere does your ticket say your be entertained on it no it does not, they try there best to entertain us week in week out, if you don't enjoy what your watching then don't go easy really!!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]Thoroughly agree! It's all very well demanding to be entertained but how ever much you spend, you don't risk your job each and every time the Albion play-Oscar, and every other manager, (or coach), does! However much they want to play entertaining football, they must have it in mind not to lose. How would you feel if, every day that you go to work, you know that there's a possibility that even if you try really hard, you might be facing the sack at the end of the week? KeefyH44
  • Score: -1

8:40pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Lord Hamilton says...

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:
Being so close but so far, it's a tad frustrating thinking of so many points squandered in earlier matches, but we are where we are. If Albion play like they can - and have shown away from home - there's every chance of success. Then the rest is down to fate.

Ooh er, missus....
If Andrew Crofts hadn't got injured we'd be in play a few matches ago.
[quote][p][bold]Willie, Willie Irvine[/bold] wrote: Being so close but so far, it's a tad frustrating thinking of so many points squandered in earlier matches, but we are where we are. If Albion play like they can - and have shown away from home - there's every chance of success. Then the rest is down to fate. Ooh er, missus....[/p][/quote]If Andrew Crofts hadn't got injured we'd be in play a few matches ago. Lord Hamilton
  • Score: 0

8:44pm Mon 28 Apr 14

gordongull says...

On the subject of Oscar continuing to coach the team, I think it is highly unlikely that he will be fired. He is exactly what the Management were looking for. A coach with an impressive track record who can be relied upon not to cause any trouble or embarrassment. He is willing to work with the players bought on his behalf by those responsible for the finances, and has produced a solid first season in charge.
Whether Oscar sees his future as being with B&HA could depend on what money is available to acquire the players he needs to make his system work. I can't imagine him staying if our creative players are replaced by journeymen because of FFP. He has demonstrated an inability to change his way of playing to accommodate the tactics of other teams, or the limitations of available players.
If the team doesn't receive a major injection of quality this summer, I hope Oscar is poached by another club, or the football will be unwatchable.
On the subject of Oscar continuing to coach the team, I think it is highly unlikely that he will be fired. He is exactly what the Management were looking for. A coach with an impressive track record who can be relied upon not to cause any trouble or embarrassment. He is willing to work with the players bought on his behalf by those responsible for the finances, and has produced a solid first season in charge. Whether Oscar sees his future as being with B&HA could depend on what money is available to acquire the players he needs to make his system work. I can't imagine him staying if our creative players are replaced by journeymen because of FFP. He has demonstrated an inability to change his way of playing to accommodate the tactics of other teams, or the limitations of available players. If the team doesn't receive a major injection of quality this summer, I hope Oscar is poached by another club, or the football will be unwatchable. gordongull
  • Score: 3

8:55pm Mon 28 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

gordongull wrote:
On the subject of Oscar continuing to coach the team, I think it is highly unlikely that he will be fired. He is exactly what the Management were looking for. A coach with an impressive track record who can be relied upon not to cause any trouble or embarrassment. He is willing to work with the players bought on his behalf by those responsible for the finances, and has produced a solid first season in charge.
Whether Oscar sees his future as being with B&HA could depend on what money is available to acquire the players he needs to make his system work. I can't imagine him staying if our creative players are replaced by journeymen because of FFP. He has demonstrated an inability to change his way of playing to accommodate the tactics of other teams, or the limitations of available players.
If the team doesn't receive a major injection of quality this summer, I hope Oscar is poached by another club, or the football will be unwatchable.
I wonder if OG has a massive say in the next few months on players coming in? He will have time away from the team to assess players we need and hopefully be allowed to spend ..
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: On the subject of Oscar continuing to coach the team, I think it is highly unlikely that he will be fired. He is exactly what the Management were looking for. A coach with an impressive track record who can be relied upon not to cause any trouble or embarrassment. He is willing to work with the players bought on his behalf by those responsible for the finances, and has produced a solid first season in charge. Whether Oscar sees his future as being with B&HA could depend on what money is available to acquire the players he needs to make his system work. I can't imagine him staying if our creative players are replaced by journeymen because of FFP. He has demonstrated an inability to change his way of playing to accommodate the tactics of other teams, or the limitations of available players. If the team doesn't receive a major injection of quality this summer, I hope Oscar is poached by another club, or the football will be unwatchable.[/p][/quote]I wonder if OG has a massive say in the next few months on players coming in? He will have time away from the team to assess players we need and hopefully be allowed to spend .. mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

8:56pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Gazza by the sea says...

Good summary Namgo. I'm with you almost 100% although I'd be inclined to give Hoskins one more go.

Seriously worried that our truly gifted players, Orlandi, Buckley and KLL are sicknotes and with our budget can we really afford players who can only give us 15-20 games a season.

And we need another keeper. Two if Tom goes.......
Good summary Namgo. I'm with you almost 100% although I'd be inclined to give Hoskins one more go. Seriously worried that our truly gifted players, Orlandi, Buckley and KLL are sicknotes and with our budget can we really afford players who can only give us 15-20 games a season. And we need another keeper. Two if Tom goes....... Gazza by the sea
  • Score: 1

9:00pm Mon 28 Apr 14

JeffLomer says...

JeffLomer wrote:
ringtone wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
the taffster wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!!
I don't want another season of Oscar and his negative formation and tactics.....totally bored with it.....football is about entertainment.
Oscar is not going anywhere does your ticket say your be entertained on it no it does not, they try there best to entertain us week in week out, if you don't enjoy what your watching then don't go easy really!!!
Up the Albion!!!!
Ignore the attention seeking troll, tafster.

All football clubs have got em, nothing special about BHA.
Pot and Kettle come to mind with you two morons
RINGTONE TAFFSTER NORFOLK AND WAY FREE MONEY Have any off you been arrested and charged for talking absolute bull ox i have never come across four people who have no interest in BRIGHTON Football club, but think you have the right to abuse us fans who actually care about our club, not one off you ever puts anything worthwhile for us to read, all you do is slag people off who have genuine points they make, i pity all four off you your pathetic and sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!! up the albion !!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!![/p][/quote]I don't want another season of Oscar and his negative formation and tactics.....totally bored with it.....football is about entertainment.[/p][/quote]Oscar is not going anywhere does your ticket say your be entertained on it no it does not, they try there best to entertain us week in week out, if you don't enjoy what your watching then don't go easy really!!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]Ignore the attention seeking troll, tafster. All football clubs have got em, nothing special about BHA.[/p][/quote]Pot and Kettle come to mind with you two morons[/p][/quote]RINGTONE TAFFSTER NORFOLK AND WAY FREE MONEY Have any off you been arrested and charged for talking absolute bull ox i have never come across four people who have no interest in BRIGHTON Football club, but think you have the right to abuse us fans who actually care about our club, not one off you ever puts anything worthwhile for us to read, all you do is slag people off who have genuine points they make, i pity all four off you your pathetic and sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!! up the albion !!!!!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 3

9:09pm Mon 28 Apr 14

gordongull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
gordongull wrote:
On the subject of Oscar continuing to coach the team, I think it is highly unlikely that he will be fired. He is exactly what the Management were looking for. A coach with an impressive track record who can be relied upon not to cause any trouble or embarrassment. He is willing to work with the players bought on his behalf by those responsible for the finances, and has produced a solid first season in charge.
Whether Oscar sees his future as being with B&HA could depend on what money is available to acquire the players he needs to make his system work. I can't imagine him staying if our creative players are replaced by journeymen because of FFP. He has demonstrated an inability to change his way of playing to accommodate the tactics of other teams, or the limitations of available players.
If the team doesn't receive a major injection of quality this summer, I hope Oscar is poached by another club, or the football will be unwatchable.
I wonder if OG has a massive say in the next few months on players coming in? He will have time away from the team to assess players we need and hopefully be allowed to spend ..
It is his system, Mark, so presumably he knows which players he needs t o make it successful. Unfortunately it looks more likely that individuals who have never managed at any level are making these crucial decisions.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: On the subject of Oscar continuing to coach the team, I think it is highly unlikely that he will be fired. He is exactly what the Management were looking for. A coach with an impressive track record who can be relied upon not to cause any trouble or embarrassment. He is willing to work with the players bought on his behalf by those responsible for the finances, and has produced a solid first season in charge. Whether Oscar sees his future as being with B&HA could depend on what money is available to acquire the players he needs to make his system work. I can't imagine him staying if our creative players are replaced by journeymen because of FFP. He has demonstrated an inability to change his way of playing to accommodate the tactics of other teams, or the limitations of available players. If the team doesn't receive a major injection of quality this summer, I hope Oscar is poached by another club, or the football will be unwatchable.[/p][/quote]I wonder if OG has a massive say in the next few months on players coming in? He will have time away from the team to assess players we need and hopefully be allowed to spend ..[/p][/quote]It is his system, Mark, so presumably he knows which players he needs t o make it successful. Unfortunately it looks more likely that individuals who have never managed at any level are making these crucial decisions. gordongull
  • Score: -1

9:17pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Aldrington Halt says...

SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
Uckfield Seagull wrote:
Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club.

I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ).

If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.
Brilliant post-well done!
I agree!
[quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club. I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ). If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.[/p][/quote]Brilliant post-well done![/p][/quote]I agree! Aldrington Halt
  • Score: 0

9:30pm Mon 28 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Aldrington Halt wrote:
SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
Uckfield Seagull wrote:
Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club.

I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ).

If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.
Brilliant post-well done!
I agree!
A youth policy producing outstanding results? Name one?
[quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club. I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ). If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.[/p][/quote]Brilliant post-well done![/p][/quote]I agree![/p][/quote]A youth policy producing outstanding results? Name one? mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

9:38pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Aldrington Halt says...

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!!
I'm not entirely convinced OG will still be here, but if he is it will be interesting to see how he performs without his L plates...
What makes you think he won't be here, Willie?
Ex-pat, nothing more than gut feel. I get the impression both OG and the club are lukewarm about what they've got from the other. Oscar didn't hang around in Tel Aviv and I reckon he will think hard about the future here, especially if there is interest from elsewhere. I'm probably getting my adding up totally wrong, but time will tell.
Can see why you'd think that from some of the budget comments Oscar made during our losing streak in march and from his comment the other night about spending time with his family...he could be thinking about a move back to Spain? or on the other hand maybe he and Bloom had a good understanding of this years expectations and are looking at a longer game plan and his wife and kids have been enjoying good old sussex by the sea and are well settled here now, something which might play on a potential decision to move so soon? UTA
[quote][p][bold]Willie, Willie Irvine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willie, Willie Irvine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!![/p][/quote]I'm not entirely convinced OG will still be here, but if he is it will be interesting to see how he performs without his L plates...[/p][/quote]What makes you think he won't be here, Willie?[/p][/quote]Ex-pat, nothing more than gut feel. I get the impression both OG and the club are lukewarm about what they've got from the other. Oscar didn't hang around in Tel Aviv and I reckon he will think hard about the future here, especially if there is interest from elsewhere. I'm probably getting my adding up totally wrong, but time will tell.[/p][/quote]Can see why you'd think that from some of the budget comments Oscar made during our losing streak in march and from his comment the other night about spending time with his family...he could be thinking about a move back to Spain? or on the other hand maybe he and Bloom had a good understanding of this years expectations and are looking at a longer game plan and his wife and kids have been enjoying good old sussex by the sea and are well settled here now, something which might play on a potential decision to move so soon? UTA Aldrington Halt
  • Score: -1

9:47pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Aldrington Halt says...

JeffLomer wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
ringtone wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
the taffster wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!!
I don't want another season of Oscar and his negative formation and tactics.....totally bored with it.....football is about entertainment.
Oscar is not going anywhere does your ticket say your be entertained on it no it does not, they try there best to entertain us week in week out, if you don't enjoy what your watching then don't go easy really!!!
Up the Albion!!!!
Ignore the attention seeking troll, tafster.

All football clubs have got em, nothing special about BHA.
Pot and Kettle come to mind with you two morons
RINGTONE TAFFSTER NORFOLK AND WAY FREE MONEY Have any off you been arrested and charged for talking absolute bull ox i have never come across four people who have no interest in BRIGHTON Football club, but think you have the right to abuse us fans who actually care about our club, not one off you ever puts anything worthwhile for us to read, all you do is slag people off who have genuine points they make, i pity all four off you your pathetic and sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!! up the albion !!!!!!!!
Sad is correct, F all that BS and well said Jeff!! Seagulls!!!
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!![/p][/quote]I don't want another season of Oscar and his negative formation and tactics.....totally bored with it.....football is about entertainment.[/p][/quote]Oscar is not going anywhere does your ticket say your be entertained on it no it does not, they try there best to entertain us week in week out, if you don't enjoy what your watching then don't go easy really!!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]Ignore the attention seeking troll, tafster. All football clubs have got em, nothing special about BHA.[/p][/quote]Pot and Kettle come to mind with you two morons[/p][/quote]RINGTONE TAFFSTER NORFOLK AND WAY FREE MONEY Have any off you been arrested and charged for talking absolute bull ox i have never come across four people who have no interest in BRIGHTON Football club, but think you have the right to abuse us fans who actually care about our club, not one off you ever puts anything worthwhile for us to read, all you do is slag people off who have genuine points they make, i pity all four off you your pathetic and sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!! up the albion !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Sad is correct, F all that BS and well said Jeff!! Seagulls!!! Aldrington Halt
  • Score: -1

10:00pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Aldrington Halt says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Aldrington Halt wrote:
SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
Uckfield Seagull wrote:
Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club.

I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ).

If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.
Brilliant post-well done!
I agree!
A youth policy producing outstanding results? Name one?
El-Abd. NUFF SAID
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club. I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ). If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.[/p][/quote]Brilliant post-well done![/p][/quote]I agree![/p][/quote]A youth policy producing outstanding results? Name one?[/p][/quote]El-Abd. NUFF SAID Aldrington Halt
  • Score: -1

10:10pm Mon 28 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Aldrington Halt wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Aldrington Halt wrote:
SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
Uckfield Seagull wrote:
Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club.

I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ).

If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.
Brilliant post-well done!
I agree!
A youth policy producing outstanding results? Name one?
El-Abd. NUFF SAID
That was ten years ago! Lol just shows you what rubbish some on here spout! Our youth policy has been appalling .. Let's run through the runners..
JFC joined at 14 years of age.
MARCH released by Chelsea at 14 then signed for lewes, Albion legend hInsh only signed him because palace were sniffing around signed at age of 16.
DUNK started about 10 league games in 3 seasons.
ELABD 30 years old in sept so basically a youth product 14 years ago!
Wow that's a incredible list of talent!
[quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club. I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ). If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.[/p][/quote]Brilliant post-well done![/p][/quote]I agree![/p][/quote]A youth policy producing outstanding results? Name one?[/p][/quote]El-Abd. NUFF SAID[/p][/quote]That was ten years ago! Lol just shows you what rubbish some on here spout! Our youth policy has been appalling .. Let's run through the runners.. JFC joined at 14 years of age. MARCH released by Chelsea at 14 then signed for lewes, Albion legend hInsh only signed him because palace were sniffing around signed at age of 16. DUNK started about 10 league games in 3 seasons. ELABD 30 years old in sept so basically a youth product 14 years ago! Wow that's a incredible list of talent! mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

10:26pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Aldrington Halt says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Aldrington Halt wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Aldrington Halt wrote:
SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
Uckfield Seagull wrote:
Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club.

I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ).

If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.
Brilliant post-well done!
I agree!
A youth policy producing outstanding results? Name one?
El-Abd. NUFF SAID
That was ten years ago! Lol just shows you what rubbish some on here spout! Our youth policy has been appalling .. Let's run through the runners..
JFC joined at 14 years of age.
MARCH released by Chelsea at 14 then signed for lewes, Albion legend hInsh only signed him because palace were sniffing around signed at age of 16.
DUNK started about 10 league games in 3 seasons.
ELABD 30 years old in sept so basically a youth product 14 years ago!
Wow that's a incredible list of talent!
Knew you were a wrong-un...Lost out on a place in the DS yourself did ya? Sounds like bitterness to me but anyway I don't see anyone but a Troll slagging off Brighton like that...Some say the trolls inject a bit of humour on here but you're not funny. Do you unconditionally love your Football Club, Brighton and Hove Albion??
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club. I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ). If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.[/p][/quote]Brilliant post-well done![/p][/quote]I agree![/p][/quote]A youth policy producing outstanding results? Name one?[/p][/quote]El-Abd. NUFF SAID[/p][/quote]That was ten years ago! Lol just shows you what rubbish some on here spout! Our youth policy has been appalling .. Let's run through the runners.. JFC joined at 14 years of age. MARCH released by Chelsea at 14 then signed for lewes, Albion legend hInsh only signed him because palace were sniffing around signed at age of 16. DUNK started about 10 league games in 3 seasons. ELABD 30 years old in sept so basically a youth product 14 years ago! Wow that's a incredible list of talent![/p][/quote]Knew you were a wrong-un...Lost out on a place in the DS yourself did ya? Sounds like bitterness to me but anyway I don't see anyone but a Troll slagging off Brighton like that...Some say the trolls inject a bit of humour on here but you're not funny. Do you unconditionally love your Football Club, Brighton and Hove Albion?? Aldrington Halt
  • Score: -4

10:29pm Mon 28 Apr 14

ringtone says...

Uckfield Seagull wrote:
Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club.

I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ).

If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.
Quote "I am quite prepared to wait"

Or what? You will support another team?

So much is wrong with this attention seeking piece of Tosh, I really havent got the time, still you got 48 new virtual friends and i bet none of them went to Gillingham.
[quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club. I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ). If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.[/p][/quote]Quote "I am quite prepared to wait" Or what? You will support another team? So much is wrong with this attention seeking piece of Tosh, I really havent got the time, still you got 48 new virtual friends and i bet none of them went to Gillingham. ringtone
  • Score: -1

10:32pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Norfolk and way says...

JeffLomer wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
ringtone wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
the taffster wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!!
I don't want another season of Oscar and his negative formation and tactics.....totally bored with it.....football is about entertainment.
Oscar is not going anywhere does your ticket say your be entertained on it no it does not, they try there best to entertain us week in week out, if you don't enjoy what your watching then don't go easy really!!!
Up the Albion!!!!
Ignore the attention seeking troll, tafster.

All football clubs have got em, nothing special about BHA.
Pot and Kettle come to mind with you two morons
RINGTONE TAFFSTER NORFOLK AND WAY FREE MONEY Have any off you been arrested and charged for talking absolute bull ox i have never come across four people who have no interest in BRIGHTON Football club, but think you have the right to abuse us fans who actually care about our club, not one off you ever puts anything worthwhile for us to read, all you do is slag people off who have genuine points they make, i pity all four off you your pathetic and sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!! up the albion !!!!!!!!
Have you ever been arrested for careless wastage of exclamation marks? Stop being such a goblin.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Oscar is the man for us regardless of play offs or not. Give him a pre-season, a budget for some signings and next year could be fantastic. Come on boys!!!![/p][/quote]I don't want another season of Oscar and his negative formation and tactics.....totally bored with it.....football is about entertainment.[/p][/quote]Oscar is not going anywhere does your ticket say your be entertained on it no it does not, they try there best to entertain us week in week out, if you don't enjoy what your watching then don't go easy really!!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]Ignore the attention seeking troll, tafster. All football clubs have got em, nothing special about BHA.[/p][/quote]Pot and Kettle come to mind with you two morons[/p][/quote]RINGTONE TAFFSTER NORFOLK AND WAY FREE MONEY Have any off you been arrested and charged for talking absolute bull ox i have never come across four people who have no interest in BRIGHTON Football club, but think you have the right to abuse us fans who actually care about our club, not one off you ever puts anything worthwhile for us to read, all you do is slag people off who have genuine points they make, i pity all four off you your pathetic and sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!! up the albion !!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Have you ever been arrested for careless wastage of exclamation marks? Stop being such a goblin. Norfolk and way
  • Score: -1

10:43pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Norfolk and way says...

SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
Norfolk and way wrote:
It would be enjoyable if people had done their jobs properly in the first place. Too many sloppy performances are what will have cost us if we don't make it. Oscar is as much to blame as anyone for this.
You are the most negative p...k I have come across on this site.P..s off to Palarse.
Absolute total rubbish. That accolade could only go to Oscar. And we could all learn a lot from palace so do not be so disparaging. It's been a humbling experience this last year for all us seagulls, turning on one another is not the answer.
[quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norfolk and way[/bold] wrote: It would be enjoyable if people had done their jobs properly in the first place. Too many sloppy performances are what will have cost us if we don't make it. Oscar is as much to blame as anyone for this.[/p][/quote]You are the most negative p...k I have come across on this site.P..s off to Palarse.[/p][/quote]Absolute total rubbish. That accolade could only go to Oscar. And we could all learn a lot from palace so do not be so disparaging. It's been a humbling experience this last year for all us seagulls, turning on one another is not the answer. Norfolk and way
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10:53pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Aldrington Halt wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Aldrington Halt wrote:
SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
Uckfield Seagull wrote:
Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club.

I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ).

If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.
Brilliant post-well done!
I agree!
A youth policy producing outstanding results? Name one?
El-Abd. NUFF SAID
That was ten years ago! Lol just shows you what rubbish some on here spout! Our youth policy has been appalling .. Let's run through the runners..
JFC joined at 14 years of age.
MARCH released by Chelsea at 14 then signed for lewes, Albion legend hInsh only signed him because palace were sniffing around signed at age of 16.
DUNK started about 10 league games in 3 seasons.
ELABD 30 years old in sept so basically a youth product 14 years ago!
Wow that's a incredible list of talent!
Just a point of order... Dunk has played very nearly 60 League games in the past 3 seasons.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club. I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ). If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.[/p][/quote]Brilliant post-well done![/p][/quote]I agree![/p][/quote]A youth policy producing outstanding results? Name one?[/p][/quote]El-Abd. NUFF SAID[/p][/quote]That was ten years ago! Lol just shows you what rubbish some on here spout! Our youth policy has been appalling .. Let's run through the runners.. JFC joined at 14 years of age. MARCH released by Chelsea at 14 then signed for lewes, Albion legend hInsh only signed him because palace were sniffing around signed at age of 16. DUNK started about 10 league games in 3 seasons. ELABD 30 years old in sept so basically a youth product 14 years ago! Wow that's a incredible list of talent![/p][/quote]Just a point of order... Dunk has played very nearly 60 League games in the past 3 seasons. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

10:54pm Mon 28 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Aldrington Halt wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Aldrington Halt wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Aldrington Halt wrote:
SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
Uckfield Seagull wrote:
Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club.

I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ).

If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.
Brilliant post-well done!
I agree!
A youth policy producing outstanding results? Name one?
El-Abd. NUFF SAID
That was ten years ago! Lol just shows you what rubbish some on here spout! Our youth policy has been appalling .. Let's run through the runners..
JFC joined at 14 years of age.
MARCH released by Chelsea at 14 then signed for lewes, Albion legend hInsh only signed him because palace were sniffing around signed at age of 16.
DUNK started about 10 league games in 3 seasons.
ELABD 30 years old in sept so basically a youth product 14 years ago!
Wow that's a incredible list of talent!
Knew you were a wrong-un...Lost out on a place in the DS yourself did ya? Sounds like bitterness to me but anyway I don't see anyone but a Troll slagging off Brighton like that...Some say the trolls inject a bit of humour on here but you're not funny. Do you unconditionally love your Football Club, Brighton and Hove Albion??
You can't name any players! lol just try and turn it on me!
If you want a youth system that produces look at saints and Fulham , The driving force and common denominator is malcolm alias , Steve wigley and hue Jennings ...
I am passionate about brighton, but making up stories like we have a good youth system is pointless,,
[quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club. I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ). If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.[/p][/quote]Brilliant post-well done![/p][/quote]I agree![/p][/quote]A youth policy producing outstanding results? Name one?[/p][/quote]El-Abd. NUFF SAID[/p][/quote]That was ten years ago! Lol just shows you what rubbish some on here spout! Our youth policy has been appalling .. Let's run through the runners.. JFC joined at 14 years of age. MARCH released by Chelsea at 14 then signed for lewes, Albion legend hInsh only signed him because palace were sniffing around signed at age of 16. DUNK started about 10 league games in 3 seasons. ELABD 30 years old in sept so basically a youth product 14 years ago! Wow that's a incredible list of talent![/p][/quote]Knew you were a wrong-un...Lost out on a place in the DS yourself did ya? Sounds like bitterness to me but anyway I don't see anyone but a Troll slagging off Brighton like that...Some say the trolls inject a bit of humour on here but you're not funny. Do you unconditionally love your Football Club, Brighton and Hove Albion??[/p][/quote]You can't name any players! lol just try and turn it on me! If you want a youth system that produces look at saints and Fulham , The driving force and common denominator is malcolm alias , Steve wigley and hue Jennings ... I am passionate about brighton, but making up stories like we have a good youth system is pointless,, mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

10:57pm Mon 28 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Aldrington Halt wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Aldrington Halt wrote:
SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
Uckfield Seagull wrote:
Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club.

I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ).

If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.
Brilliant post-well done!
I agree!
A youth policy producing outstanding results? Name one?
El-Abd. NUFF SAID
That was ten years ago! Lol just shows you what rubbish some on here spout! Our youth policy has been appalling .. Let's run through the runners..
JFC joined at 14 years of age.
MARCH released by Chelsea at 14 then signed for lewes, Albion legend hInsh only signed him because palace were sniffing around signed at age of 16.
DUNK started about 10 league games in 3 seasons.
ELABD 30 years old in sept so basically a youth product 14 years ago!
Wow that's a incredible list of talent!
Just a point of order... Dunk has played very nearly 60 League games in the past 3 seasons.
Wrong
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: Just wanted to make a point on here, I am a huge fan of Brighton, I travel all over the country to watch them when possible, not every week but as often as possible, play offs or no play offs I am a contented Brighton fan, Oscar will never please everyone but I for one am more than happy to have him in charge next season, I hope he has learned from his mistakes because there have been many but on the whole I think the guy deserves a break from all the criticism he has recieved, at the end of the day we are 7th with a chance of promotion, he had no pre season, limited transfer budget, has come in with a lot of expectancy after the Poyet era and has had to contend with want away players and many season ending injuries, he deserves next season, doing it his way, he can have no excuses because he is in charge of a truly amazing football club. I know Brighton will get promoted to the premiership sooner rather than later, I am not a fan demanding it now, I want us to do it on our terms, I am quite prepared to wait, we have a stadium which is frankly one of the best in the country, we have a youth product which is producing outstanding results and gives us a very bright future, we will soon have training facilties as good as anywhere, we have a infrastructure which is solid, we are running the club correctly and within the rules, we have a chairman who bleeds blue and white and lastly us fans are some of the best in the country, we live in a beautiful city and we are lucky to have Brighton in our lives, ( lets not forget we nearly didnt and appreciate what we have ). If any player wants to leave and yes I mean anyone, then I dont want them in our team, I want them to play on our terms and embrace what they have.[/p][/quote]Brilliant post-well done![/p][/quote]I agree![/p][/quote]A youth policy producing outstanding results? Name one?[/p][/quote]El-Abd. NUFF SAID[/p][/quote]That was ten years ago! Lol just shows you what rubbish some on here spout! Our youth policy has been appalling .. Let's run through the runners.. JFC joined at 14 years of age. MARCH released by Chelsea at 14 then signed for lewes, Albion legend hInsh only signed him because palace were sniffing around signed at age of 16. DUNK started about 10 league games in 3 seasons. ELABD 30 years old in sept so basically a youth product 14 years ago! Wow that's a incredible list of talent![/p][/quote]Just a point of order... Dunk has played very nearly 60 League games in the past 3 seasons.[/p][/quote]Wrong mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

10:59pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Okay Mark, in which way is that wrong?
Okay Mark, in which way is that wrong? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

11:02pm Mon 28 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Dunk has played 14 times for the Albion in last two years, 6 of those due to us selling elabd ... You can read wiki all night armchair , but what's your point?
Dunk has played 14 times for the Albion in last two years, 6 of those due to us selling elabd ... You can read wiki all night armchair , but what's your point? mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

11:04pm Mon 28 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Dunk has played 14 times for the Albion in last two years, 6 of those due to us selling elabd ... You can read wiki all night armchair , but what's your point?
Your quoting appearances rather than starting,
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Dunk has played 14 times for the Albion in last two years, 6 of those due to us selling elabd ... You can read wiki all night armchair , but what's your point?[/p][/quote]Your quoting appearances rather than starting, mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

11:08pm Mon 28 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

My point is the Albion youth set up is appalling , for a catchment area we have we should be doing far far more.
We need to employ someone like Steve Gatting , huw Jennings , very little point having fans convincing themselves total un truths.
My point is the Albion youth set up is appalling , for a catchment area we have we should be doing far far more. We need to employ someone like Steve Gatting , huw Jennings , very little point having fans convincing themselves total un truths. mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

11:15pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Dunk has played 14 times for the Albion in last two years, 6 of those due to us selling elabd ... You can read wiki all night armchair , but what's your point?
Your quoting appearances rather than starting,
And you're counting games in the past two seasons when your original quote mentioned three, so what's YOUR point? And in any case, he is behind internationals, so it's unsurprising really that his appearance count has been curtailed. But he is still young and has a massive future ahead of him, so you can probably stop using him as ammo for your "the club's youth system is sh!t" agenda.

Still, at least you're still chuckling at your nickname for me. You have SUCH a superiority complex about fans that for one reason or another can't get to quite as many games as you, don't you? Quite what that has to do with our youth setup is anyone's guess.

Attendance is no guarantee of knowledge.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Dunk has played 14 times for the Albion in last two years, 6 of those due to us selling elabd ... You can read wiki all night armchair , but what's your point?[/p][/quote]Your quoting appearances rather than starting,[/p][/quote]And you're counting games in the past two seasons when your original quote mentioned three, so what's YOUR point? And in any case, he is behind internationals, so it's unsurprising really that his appearance count has been curtailed. But he is still young and has a massive future ahead of him, so you can probably stop using him as ammo for your "the club's youth system is sh!t" agenda. Still, at least you're still chuckling at your nickname for me. You have SUCH a superiority complex about fans that for one reason or another can't get to quite as many games as you, don't you? Quite what that has to do with our youth setup is anyone's guess. Attendance is no guarantee of knowledge. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

11:17pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Quite why you felt the need to insult me is another issue.
Quite why you felt the need to insult me is another issue. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

11:28pm Mon 28 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Quite why you felt the need to insult me is another issue.
Because your picking on finer details, rather than my point, which is valid,
The club are in real need of a youth identity, hopefully the start is the training ground, but unless we employ the right head there we won't improve much.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Quite why you felt the need to insult me is another issue.[/p][/quote]Because your picking on finer details, rather than my point, which is valid, The club are in real need of a youth identity, hopefully the start is the training ground, but unless we employ the right head there we won't improve much. mark by the sea
  • Score: -1

11:36pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Aldrington Halt says...

mark by the sea wrote:
My point is the Albion youth set up is appalling , for a catchment area we have we should be doing far far more.
We need to employ someone like Steve Gatting , huw Jennings , very little point having fans convincing themselves total un truths.
Carry on your humble work kind sir and may I point out 'appalling' is perhaps a touch harsh an adjective in this context for the passionate fan, may I suggest; in need of improvement, as a more suitable phrase
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: My point is the Albion youth set up is appalling , for a catchment area we have we should be doing far far more. We need to employ someone like Steve Gatting , huw Jennings , very little point having fans convincing themselves total un truths.[/p][/quote]Carry on your humble work kind sir and may I point out 'appalling' is perhaps a touch harsh an adjective in this context for the passionate fan, may I suggest; in need of improvement, as a more suitable phrase Aldrington Halt
  • Score: 2

11:36pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Quite why you felt the need to insult me is another issue.
Because your picking on finer details, rather than my point, which is valid,
The club are in real need of a youth identity, hopefully the start is the training ground, but unless we employ the right head there we won't improve much.
Demeaning others insults us both.

The club's youth setup will be fine... the club won't waste millions building at Lancing without be getting the right people in.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Quite why you felt the need to insult me is another issue.[/p][/quote]Because your picking on finer details, rather than my point, which is valid, The club are in real need of a youth identity, hopefully the start is the training ground, but unless we employ the right head there we won't improve much.[/p][/quote]Demeaning others insults us both. The club's youth setup will be fine... the club won't waste millions building at Lancing without be getting the right people in. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

11:44pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Aldrington Halt says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Quite why you felt the need to insult me is another issue.
Because your picking on finer details, rather than my point, which is valid,
The club are in real need of a youth identity, hopefully the start is the training ground, but unless we employ the right head there we won't improve much.
Demeaning others insults us both.

The club's youth setup will be fine... the club won't waste millions building at Lancing without be getting the right people in.
Well said Arnie... UTA!!!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Quite why you felt the need to insult me is another issue.[/p][/quote]Because your picking on finer details, rather than my point, which is valid, The club are in real need of a youth identity, hopefully the start is the training ground, but unless we employ the right head there we won't improve much.[/p][/quote]Demeaning others insults us both. The club's youth setup will be fine... the club won't waste millions building at Lancing without be getting the right people in.[/p][/quote]Well said Arnie... UTA!!! Aldrington Halt
  • Score: 2

12:02am Tue 29 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Dunk has played 14 times for the Albion in last two years, 6 of those due to us selling elabd ... You can read wiki all night armchair , but what's your point?
Your quoting appearances rather than starting,
From another source: 59 starts, plus a further 8 as sub. Although that may include League One, it shows that most of his career appearances have been from the first minute, not as a sub, i.e. that number does not include matches when he did not come off the bench.

Dunk is a decent product of the Albion's fledgling youth setup, as I'm sure all but two on this website would agree.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Dunk has played 14 times for the Albion in last two years, 6 of those due to us selling elabd ... You can read wiki all night armchair , but what's your point?[/p][/quote]Your quoting appearances rather than starting,[/p][/quote]From another source: 59 starts, plus a further 8 as sub. Although that may include League One, it shows that most of his career appearances have been from the first minute, not as a sub, i.e. that number does not include matches when he did not come off the bench. Dunk is a decent product of the Albion's fledgling youth setup, as I'm sure all but two on this website would agree. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

12:06am Tue 29 Apr 14

Aldrington Halt says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Dunk has played 14 times for the Albion in last two years, 6 of those due to us selling elabd ... You can read wiki all night armchair , but what's your point?
Your quoting appearances rather than starting,
From another source: 59 starts, plus a further 8 as sub. Although that may include League One, it shows that most of his career appearances have been from the first minute, not as a sub, i.e. that number does not include matches when he did not come off the bench.

Dunk is a decent product of the Albion's fledgling youth setup, as I'm sure all but two on this website would agree.
Hear Hear!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Dunk has played 14 times for the Albion in last two years, 6 of those due to us selling elabd ... You can read wiki all night armchair , but what's your point?[/p][/quote]Your quoting appearances rather than starting,[/p][/quote]From another source: 59 starts, plus a further 8 as sub. Although that may include League One, it shows that most of his career appearances have been from the first minute, not as a sub, i.e. that number does not include matches when he did not come off the bench. Dunk is a decent product of the Albion's fledgling youth setup, as I'm sure all but two on this website would agree.[/p][/quote]Hear Hear! Aldrington Halt
  • Score: 0

2:51am Tue 29 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Aldrington Halt wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Dunk has played 14 times for the Albion in last two years, 6 of those due to us selling elabd ... You can read wiki all night armchair , but what's your point?
Your quoting appearances rather than starting,
From another source: 59 starts, plus a further 8 as sub. Although that may include League One, it shows that most of his career appearances have been from the first minute, not as a sub, i.e. that number does not include matches when he did not come off the bench.

Dunk is a decent product of the Albion's fledgling youth setup, as I'm sure all but two on this website would agree.
Hear Hear!
You have no idea what your talking about, The fact you simply point out a player who only got games this season because of injury to our regular 2,
Dunk would not have played this season had Elabd stayed..
To mention one player and say that proves our system works ?
Let's assume our scouts find and secure the best 15 -20 kids they can at 8-9 years of age... One coming through every ten years means nothing.
Saints aim over last 15 years is to produce 1 player per season for the first team, they have achieved that ..
Arnie your simply like Vegas playing the " Albion are marvellous " route, your get lots of people agreeing with you,
Like I named that list of 4 - 5 players.. Our record of production is pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Dunk has played 14 times for the Albion in last two years, 6 of those due to us selling elabd ... You can read wiki all night armchair , but what's your point?[/p][/quote]Your quoting appearances rather than starting,[/p][/quote]From another source: 59 starts, plus a further 8 as sub. Although that may include League One, it shows that most of his career appearances have been from the first minute, not as a sub, i.e. that number does not include matches when he did not come off the bench. Dunk is a decent product of the Albion's fledgling youth setup, as I'm sure all but two on this website would agree.[/p][/quote]Hear Hear![/p][/quote]You have no idea what your talking about, The fact you simply point out a player who only got games this season because of injury to our regular 2, Dunk would not have played this season had Elabd stayed.. To mention one player and say that proves our system works ? Let's assume our scouts find and secure the best 15 -20 kids they can at 8-9 years of age... One coming through every ten years means nothing. Saints aim over last 15 years is to produce 1 player per season for the first team, they have achieved that .. Arnie your simply like Vegas playing the " Albion are marvellous " route, your get lots of people agreeing with you, Like I named that list of 4 - 5 players.. Our record of production is pathetic. mark by the sea
  • Score: -3

8:01am Tue 29 Apr 14

chipsandgravy says...

I wonder how many of us would be complaining about the lack of entertainment if we had scored a dozen or so more of the millions of chances we seem to have created this season?
I wonder how many of us would be complaining about the lack of entertainment if we had scored a dozen or so more of the millions of chances we seem to have created this season? chipsandgravy
  • Score: 0

8:17am Tue 29 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Aldrington Halt wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Dunk has played 14 times for the Albion in last two years, 6 of those due to us selling elabd ... You can read wiki all night armchair , but what's your point?
Your quoting appearances rather than starting,
From another source: 59 starts, plus a further 8 as sub. Although that may include League One, it shows that most of his career appearances have been from the first minute, not as a sub, i.e. that number does not include matches when he did not come off the bench.

Dunk is a decent product of the Albion's fledgling youth setup, as I'm sure all but two on this website would agree.
Hear Hear!
You have no idea what your talking about, The fact you simply point out a player who only got games this season because of injury to our regular 2,
Dunk would not have played this season had Elabd stayed..
To mention one player and say that proves our system works ?
Let's assume our scouts find and secure the best 15 -20 kids they can at 8-9 years of age... One coming through every ten years means nothing.
Saints aim over last 15 years is to produce 1 player per season for the first team, they have achieved that ..
Arnie your simply like Vegas playing the " Albion are marvellous " route, your get lots of people agreeing with you,
Like I named that list of 4 - 5 players.. Our record of production is pathetic.
We have done okay, considering the past 10-15 years. Of course Southampton are going to have a better record than us at producing youngsters, they have had a proper academy for ages! We are now making that step and we will soon see the fruits of that labour. To compare our output at this stage is mischievous and disingenuous. You may as well start ranting about Hinshlewood and Booker again for all its relevance.

You also may as well complain that we have produced fewer world class players than the Ajax academy. We know all this. Slagging of the previous situation (which was unavoidable due to very nearly going out of business) helps no-one. The only important thing is that processes and procedures are being put in place to rectify it.

Also, are you saying that Dunk is not a product of our youth system, or that he is but he is rubbish? Because that (with your continued insistence we give you a list of players or clubs that are interested in our players) makes you sounds remarkably like another very well-known 'contributor' to this website.

Dunk is a very decent youngster who will only get better, and the fact he is behind a current international and an ex-England international in the reckoning is not a cause for concern. He will replace one of them sooner rather than later and he will make mistakes, just like every other player who ever pulled on the famous blue and white stripes.

You are a half glass empty kinda guy, and that's fine, but some of us are glass half empty, and that is fine also.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Dunk has played 14 times for the Albion in last two years, 6 of those due to us selling elabd ... You can read wiki all night armchair , but what's your point?[/p][/quote]Your quoting appearances rather than starting,[/p][/quote]From another source: 59 starts, plus a further 8 as sub. Although that may include League One, it shows that most of his career appearances have been from the first minute, not as a sub, i.e. that number does not include matches when he did not come off the bench. Dunk is a decent product of the Albion's fledgling youth setup, as I'm sure all but two on this website would agree.[/p][/quote]Hear Hear![/p][/quote]You have no idea what your talking about, The fact you simply point out a player who only got games this season because of injury to our regular 2, Dunk would not have played this season had Elabd stayed.. To mention one player and say that proves our system works ? Let's assume our scouts find and secure the best 15 -20 kids they can at 8-9 years of age... One coming through every ten years means nothing. Saints aim over last 15 years is to produce 1 player per season for the first team, they have achieved that .. Arnie your simply like Vegas playing the " Albion are marvellous " route, your get lots of people agreeing with you, Like I named that list of 4 - 5 players.. Our record of production is pathetic.[/p][/quote]We have done okay, considering the past 10-15 years. Of course Southampton are going to have a better record than us at producing youngsters, they have had a proper academy for ages! We are now making that step and we will soon see the fruits of that labour. To compare our output at this stage is mischievous and disingenuous. You may as well start ranting about Hinshlewood and Booker again for all its relevance. You also may as well complain that we have produced fewer world class players than the Ajax academy. We know all this. Slagging of the previous situation (which was unavoidable due to very nearly going out of business) helps no-one. The only important thing is that processes and procedures are being put in place to rectify it. Also, are you saying that Dunk is not a product of our youth system, or that he is but he is rubbish? Because that (with your continued insistence we give you a list of players or clubs that are interested in our players) makes you sounds remarkably like another very well-known 'contributor' to this website. Dunk is a very decent youngster who will only get better, and the fact he is behind a current international and an ex-England international in the reckoning is not a cause for concern. He will replace one of them sooner rather than later and he will make mistakes, just like every other player who ever pulled on the famous blue and white stripes. You are a half glass empty kinda guy, and that's fine, but some of us are glass half empty, and that is fine also. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

9:14am Tue 29 Apr 14

farside says...

namgo49 wrote:
The season is finished now as we shall finish just outside the play offs. So it’s Championship football again next year at the Amex, which is no bad thing as long as we perform, particularly better at home, than this season. 10 wins at the Amex is nowhere near good enough.

So what about the squad, many of them out of contract or on loan. I’ll do the maths and see how I think it will turn out:-

Kuszczak – May stay and we should offer a two year deal
Brezovan – To go, not up to the standard required
Ankergren – To go, not up to the standard required
Walton – DS – Promote to 1st cover for TK

Bruno – Offer 1 year deal. Knocking on a bit now and has had some eccentric moments this season.
Calderon – Offer 1 year deal as I still think he can perform at this level.
Upson – To go, has been brilliant but I cannot see he can make a worthwhile contribution for another year.
Greer – To go, same as for Upson.
Chicksen – Still on contract
Dunk – Still on contract
Ward – Loan ends, offer 2 year deal. Player of the season in my book. Always fit and available, too, his game has developed to more attack minded.

Andrews – Loan end – To go. No up to it, I’m afraid.
Agustein – Waste of time and money. Pay up the year on his contract and release
Lopez – To go, minimal contribution this season
Lingard – Loan end – To go, has not performed as one would have hoped.
Stephens – Still on contract
Orlandi – Offer 1 year deal. Class act but needs to prove fitness.
Lualua – Offer 2 year deal. Good impact player.
Ince – Still on contract
Crofts – Still on contract, but long term injury
Forster-Caskey – Still on contract
March – Just started ludicrously long contract

Ulloa – Still on contract, but may go if his ambitions drive him
CMS - Still on contract
Hoskins – To go, too injury prone
Rodriguez – To go, not sure why he was signed in the 1st place.
Buckley – Still on contract but, as for Ulloa, may go. His injuries though may prove a stumbling block for him.

So of the 27 players listed I reckon at most 17 will be here next season. Probably only 14 and Crofts still long term injured and no obvious Club Captain on the books. We needs player(s) in all areas, the cost of replacements will be crippling and integration of new players challenging, so I am really worried about things, particularly as the players signed this year have been a bit of a mixed bag. Am I being too pessimistic? (Apologies if I have got some of my facts wrong but I think they are there or thereabouts)
So wrong in so many respects
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: The season is finished now as we shall finish just outside the play offs. So it’s Championship football again next year at the Amex, which is no bad thing as long as we perform, particularly better at home, than this season. 10 wins at the Amex is nowhere near good enough. So what about the squad, many of them out of contract or on loan. I’ll do the maths and see how I think it will turn out:- Kuszczak – May stay and we should offer a two year deal Brezovan – To go, not up to the standard required Ankergren – To go, not up to the standard required Walton – DS – Promote to 1st cover for TK Bruno – Offer 1 year deal. Knocking on a bit now and has had some eccentric moments this season. Calderon – Offer 1 year deal as I still think he can perform at this level. Upson – To go, has been brilliant but I cannot see he can make a worthwhile contribution for another year. Greer – To go, same as for Upson. Chicksen – Still on contract Dunk – Still on contract Ward – Loan ends, offer 2 year deal. Player of the season in my book. Always fit and available, too, his game has developed to more attack minded. Andrews – Loan end – To go. No up to it, I’m afraid. Agustein – Waste of time and money. Pay up the year on his contract and release Lopez – To go, minimal contribution this season Lingard – Loan end – To go, has not performed as one would have hoped. Stephens – Still on contract Orlandi – Offer 1 year deal. Class act but needs to prove fitness. Lualua – Offer 2 year deal. Good impact player. Ince – Still on contract Crofts – Still on contract, but long term injury Forster-Caskey – Still on contract March – Just started ludicrously long contract Ulloa – Still on contract, but may go if his ambitions drive him CMS - Still on contract Hoskins – To go, too injury prone Rodriguez – To go, not sure why he was signed in the 1st place. Buckley – Still on contract but, as for Ulloa, may go. His injuries though may prove a stumbling block for him. So of the 27 players listed I reckon at most 17 will be here next season. Probably only 14 and Crofts still long term injured and no obvious Club Captain on the books. We needs player(s) in all areas, the cost of replacements will be crippling and integration of new players challenging, so I am really worried about things, particularly as the players signed this year have been a bit of a mixed bag. Am I being too pessimistic? (Apologies if I have got some of my facts wrong but I think they are there or thereabouts)[/p][/quote]So wrong in so many respects farside
  • Score: 1

10:10am Tue 29 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Aldrington Halt wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Dunk has played 14 times for the Albion in last two years, 6 of those due to us selling elabd ... You can read wiki all night armchair , but what's your point?
Your quoting appearances rather than starting,
From another source: 59 starts, plus a further 8 as sub. Although that may include League One, it shows that most of his career appearances have been from the first minute, not as a sub, i.e. that number does not include matches when he did not come off the bench.

Dunk is a decent product of the Albion's fledgling youth setup, as I'm sure all but two on this website would agree.
Hear Hear!
You have no idea what your talking about, The fact you simply point out a player who only got games this season because of injury to our regular 2,
Dunk would not have played this season had Elabd stayed..
To mention one player and say that proves our system works ?
Let's assume our scouts find and secure the best 15 -20 kids they can at 8-9 years of age... One coming through every ten years means nothing.
Saints aim over last 15 years is to produce 1 player per season for the first team, they have achieved that ..
Arnie your simply like Vegas playing the " Albion are marvellous " route, your get lots of people agreeing with you,
Like I named that list of 4 - 5 players.. Our record of production is pathetic.
We have done okay, considering the past 10-15 years. Of course Southampton are going to have a better record than us at producing youngsters, they have had a proper academy for ages! We are now making that step and we will soon see the fruits of that labour. To compare our output at this stage is mischievous and disingenuous. You may as well start ranting about Hinshlewood and Booker again for all its relevance.

You also may as well complain that we have produced fewer world class players than the Ajax academy. We know all this. Slagging of the previous situation (which was unavoidable due to very nearly going out of business) helps no-one. The only important thing is that processes and procedures are being put in place to rectify it.

Also, are you saying that Dunk is not a product of our youth system, or that he is but he is rubbish? Because that (with your continued insistence we give you a list of players or clubs that are interested in our players) makes you sounds remarkably like another very well-known 'contributor' to this website.

Dunk is a very decent youngster who will only get better, and the fact he is behind a current international and an ex-England international in the reckoning is not a cause for concern. He will replace one of them sooner rather than later and he will make mistakes, just like every other player who ever pulled on the famous blue and white stripes.

You are a half glass empty kinda guy, and that's fine, but some of us are glass half empty, and that is fine also.
Arnie , you say he is a england international , but he could not get ahead of our three cetre halves ,
I am not rubbishing him, but other than him, who can you name in last 5 years?
My point was not being critical of where we have been, but where we need to aspire to be, that's it, if you check my first post it was in response to someone saying we have a great youth set up! We don't ... I can't wait to see real quality players coming through the academy in 4-5 years time,
I can also tell you some of the coaching staff are in place, but we need a real figure to head that academy .. Maybe Liam Brady , Steve Gatting as a duo .
Having a nice training ground will be fantastic, but the real test is who is put in place ... Really excited about the future! So not half empty glass!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aldrington Halt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Dunk has played 14 times for the Albion in last two years, 6 of those due to us selling elabd ... You can read wiki all night armchair , but what's your point?[/p][/quote]Your quoting appearances rather than starting,[/p][/quote]From another source: 59 starts, plus a further 8 as sub. Although that may include League One, it shows that most of his career appearances have been from the first minute, not as a sub, i.e. that number does not include matches when he did not come off the bench. Dunk is a decent product of the Albion's fledgling youth setup, as I'm sure all but two on this website would agree.[/p][/quote]Hear Hear![/p][/quote]You have no idea what your talking about, The fact you simply point out a player who only got games this season because of injury to our regular 2, Dunk would not have played this season had Elabd stayed.. To mention one player and say that proves our system works ? Let's assume our scouts find and secure the best 15 -20 kids they can at 8-9 years of age... One coming through every ten years means nothing. Saints aim over last 15 years is to produce 1 player per season for the first team, they have achieved that .. Arnie your simply like Vegas playing the " Albion are marvellous " route, your get lots of people agreeing with you, Like I named that list of 4 - 5 players.. Our record of production is pathetic.[/p][/quote]We have done okay, considering the past 10-15 years. Of course Southampton are going to have a better record than us at producing youngsters, they have had a proper academy for ages! We are now making that step and we will soon see the fruits of that labour. To compare our output at this stage is mischievous and disingenuous. You may as well start ranting about Hinshlewood and Booker again for all its relevance. You also may as well complain that we have produced fewer world class players than the Ajax academy. We know all this. Slagging of the previous situation (which was unavoidable due to very nearly going out of business) helps no-one. The only important thing is that processes and procedures are being put in place to rectify it. Also, are you saying that Dunk is not a product of our youth system, or that he is but he is rubbish? Because that (with your continued insistence we give you a list of players or clubs that are interested in our players) makes you sounds remarkably like another very well-known 'contributor' to this website. Dunk is a very decent youngster who will only get better, and the fact he is behind a current international and an ex-England international in the reckoning is not a cause for concern. He will replace one of them sooner rather than later and he will make mistakes, just like every other player who ever pulled on the famous blue and white stripes. You are a half glass empty kinda guy, and that's fine, but some of us are glass half empty, and that is fine also.[/p][/quote]Arnie , you say he is a england international , but he could not get ahead of our three cetre halves , I am not rubbishing him, but other than him, who can you name in last 5 years? My point was not being critical of where we have been, but where we need to aspire to be, that's it, if you check my first post it was in response to someone saying we have a great youth set up! We don't ... I can't wait to see real quality players coming through the academy in 4-5 years time, I can also tell you some of the coaching staff are in place, but we need a real figure to head that academy .. Maybe Liam Brady , Steve Gatting as a duo . Having a nice training ground will be fantastic, but the real test is who is put in place ... Really excited about the future! So not half empty glass! mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

10:36am Tue 29 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

No Mark, I am not saying Dunk is an England international. Read what I wrote and it clearly says "he is behind a current international and an ex-England international", ie Greer and Dunk. He is comparatively young and inexperienced - that is not his fault.

Also, if you check my initial response to you, I was not supporting or arguing against either of you, merely stating that your use of Dunk as evidence of a poor youth setup was unfair as your facts and figures regarding him were incorrect. That is all.
No Mark, I am not saying Dunk is an England international. Read what I wrote and it clearly says "he is behind a current international and an ex-England international", ie Greer and Dunk. He is comparatively young and inexperienced - that is not his fault. Also, if you check my initial response to you, I was not supporting or arguing against either of you, merely stating that your use of Dunk as evidence of a poor youth setup was unfair as your facts and figures regarding him were incorrect. That is all. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

10:57am Tue 29 Apr 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
No Mark, I am not saying Dunk is an England international. Read what I wrote and it clearly says "he is behind a current international and an ex-England international", ie Greer and Dunk. He is comparatively young and inexperienced - that is not his fault.

Also, if you check my initial response to you, I was not supporting or arguing against either of you, merely stating that your use of Dunk as evidence of a poor youth setup was unfair as your facts and figures regarding him were incorrect. That is all.
Like the point I made clear one product in 5 years is not success,
The club wisely sacked HInshlewood who was clueless, Bragg now does the office work for the academy and we have had Spanish coaching staff coming over doing sessions, club have increased training times with the boys and we now are playing better standard, this will increase next year,however we need a figure head for the academy who can persuade parents this is the club for there son.
The other thing is it's not going to happen overnight, for a production line of one a year coming through, that will take 5 years to implement and raise the existing standard,
One of the things Gus did to his credit was sort the staff out at the academy , ie hinsh going... For me personally Dean Wilkins would be my choice as head coach, with Steve Gatting who runs the under 18s at arsenal , both have homes in brighton
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: No Mark, I am not saying Dunk is an England international. Read what I wrote and it clearly says "he is behind a current international and an ex-England international", ie Greer and Dunk. He is comparatively young and inexperienced - that is not his fault. Also, if you check my initial response to you, I was not supporting or arguing against either of you, merely stating that your use of Dunk as evidence of a poor youth setup was unfair as your facts and figures regarding him were incorrect. That is all.[/p][/quote]Like the point I made clear one product in 5 years is not success, The club wisely sacked HInshlewood who was clueless, Bragg now does the office work for the academy and we have had Spanish coaching staff coming over doing sessions, club have increased training times with the boys and we now are playing better standard, this will increase next year,however we need a figure head for the academy who can persuade parents this is the club for there son. The other thing is it's not going to happen overnight, for a production line of one a year coming through, that will take 5 years to implement and raise the existing standard, One of the things Gus did to his credit was sort the staff out at the academy , ie hinsh going... For me personally Dean Wilkins would be my choice as head coach, with Steve Gatting who runs the under 18s at arsenal , both have homes in brighton mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

12:08pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
No Mark, I am not saying Dunk is an England international. Read what I wrote and it clearly says "he is behind a current international and an ex-England international", ie Greer and Dunk. He is comparatively young and inexperienced - that is not his fault.

Also, if you check my initial response to you, I was not supporting or arguing against either of you, merely stating that your use of Dunk as evidence of a poor youth setup was unfair as your facts and figures regarding him were incorrect. That is all.
Like the point I made clear one product in 5 years is not success,
The club wisely sacked HInshlewood who was clueless, Bragg now does the office work for the academy and we have had Spanish coaching staff coming over doing sessions, club have increased training times with the boys and we now are playing better standard, this will increase next year,however we need a figure head for the academy who can persuade parents this is the club for there son.
The other thing is it's not going to happen overnight, for a production line of one a year coming through, that will take 5 years to implement and raise the existing standard,
One of the things Gus did to his credit was sort the staff out at the academy , ie hinsh going... For me personally Dean Wilkins would be my choice as head coach, with Steve Gatting who runs the under 18s at arsenal , both have homes in brighton
And both already have jobs in the Premier League. I can't see Wilkins coming back after the way he left, but why would he want to anyway?

And please stop telling me how little success we have had recently, I am not arguing one way or the other on that front! My comment was SOLELY about Dunk. Period.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: No Mark, I am not saying Dunk is an England international. Read what I wrote and it clearly says "he is behind a current international and an ex-England international", ie Greer and Dunk. He is comparatively young and inexperienced - that is not his fault. Also, if you check my initial response to you, I was not supporting or arguing against either of you, merely stating that your use of Dunk as evidence of a poor youth setup was unfair as your facts and figures regarding him were incorrect. That is all.[/p][/quote]Like the point I made clear one product in 5 years is not success, The club wisely sacked HInshlewood who was clueless, Bragg now does the office work for the academy and we have had Spanish coaching staff coming over doing sessions, club have increased training times with the boys and we now are playing better standard, this will increase next year,however we need a figure head for the academy who can persuade parents this is the club for there son. The other thing is it's not going to happen overnight, for a production line of one a year coming through, that will take 5 years to implement and raise the existing standard, One of the things Gus did to his credit was sort the staff out at the academy , ie hinsh going... For me personally Dean Wilkins would be my choice as head coach, with Steve Gatting who runs the under 18s at arsenal , both have homes in brighton[/p][/quote]And both already have jobs in the Premier League. I can't see Wilkins coming back after the way he left, but why would he want to anyway? And please stop telling me how little success we have had recently, I am not arguing one way or the other on that front! My comment was SOLELY about Dunk. Period. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

4:20pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Free money wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Dunk has played 14 times for the Albion in last two years, 6 of those due to us selling elabd ... You can read wiki all night armchair , but what's your point?
Your quoting appearances rather than starting,
From another source: 59 starts, plus a further 8 as sub. Although that may include League One, it shows that most of his career appearances have been from the first minute, not as a sub, i.e. that number does not include matches when he did not come off the bench.

Dunk is a decent product of the Albion's fledgling youth setup, as I'm sure all but two on this website would agree.
Name the top clubs that wish to sign him then? and the staff?????? LOL you mug.
I thought we'd reach an understanding not to argue any more?

I don't care how many clubs are after him, so long as he does the business for us. He's unlikely to play in a top Premier League club right now when they have the money to buy established internationals. Dunk is not that, so will stay at the Albion for the time being. He will, sooner rather than later, replace either Greer or Upson and will, in my opinion, do very well.
[quote][p][bold]Free money[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Dunk has played 14 times for the Albion in last two years, 6 of those due to us selling elabd ... You can read wiki all night armchair , but what's your point?[/p][/quote]Your quoting appearances rather than starting,[/p][/quote]From another source: 59 starts, plus a further 8 as sub. Although that may include League One, it shows that most of his career appearances have been from the first minute, not as a sub, i.e. that number does not include matches when he did not come off the bench. Dunk is a decent product of the Albion's fledgling youth setup, as I'm sure all but two on this website would agree.[/p][/quote]Name the top clubs that wish to sign him then? and the staff?????? LOL you mug.[/p][/quote]I thought we'd reach an understanding not to argue any more? I don't care how many clubs are after him, so long as he does the business for us. He's unlikely to play in a top Premier League club right now when they have the money to buy established internationals. Dunk is not that, so will stay at the Albion for the time being. He will, sooner rather than later, replace either Greer or Upson and will, in my opinion, do very well. Ex-pat Arnie
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