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Talking point: What do you make of Albion's season?

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How would you rate Albion’s season – success or failure?

For the second season running the Seagulls have lost in the Championship play-offs semi-finals.

They were blown away today by an excellent Derby performance but how well have this Albion side done?

In reaching the play-offs Albion have achieved what the likes of Reading, Blackburn, Nottingham Forest, Watford, Leeds and Bolton all failed to do.

But has the second leg defeat to Derby highlighted the difference in class between the top sides in the division and sixth-placed Albion?

Is losing in the semi-finals a failure or have Albion done well just to get to this stage? And how well has Oscar Garcia done in his first season?

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9:33pm Sun 11 May 14

Jules boy says...

To be successful, you have to come away winning something!
To be successful, you have to come away winning something! Jules boy
  • Score: -3

9:36pm Sun 11 May 14

jockithenoo says...

All in all its been a good season play offs again.
OSCARS first season in the English leagues is a big step up and a great achievement to get this far.
Well done Albion enjoy you're holidays and get ready for the charge to the premier league
UTA
All in all its been a good season play offs again. OSCARS first season in the English leagues is a big step up and a great achievement to get this far. Well done Albion enjoy you're holidays and get ready for the charge to the premier league UTA jockithenoo
  • Score: 7

9:37pm Sun 11 May 14

Neville says...

As a season ticket holder I cannot say we have ever hit a rich vein of consistency this season and for me last seasons home matches were more enjoyable.OG has done well all things considered and now needs to make his mark early in the next season,if he decides to remain.
I have supported the club for many years but the constant backwards and sideways passing and lack of goals have been frustrating to say the least, and like GP we have no plan B .
I believe OG has issues with the way the club is being run,same as GP and if the club don,t address some of the issues with player investment then a lot of supporters will object to paying the highest season tkt prices in the Championship without any reward on the pitch.
As a season ticket holder I cannot say we have ever hit a rich vein of consistency this season and for me last seasons home matches were more enjoyable.OG has done well all things considered and now needs to make his mark early in the next season,if he decides to remain. I have supported the club for many years but the constant backwards and sideways passing and lack of goals have been frustrating to say the least, and like GP we have no plan B . I believe OG has issues with the way the club is being run,same as GP and if the club don,t address some of the issues with player investment then a lot of supporters will object to paying the highest season tkt prices in the Championship without any reward on the pitch. Neville
  • Score: 19

9:41pm Sun 11 May 14

Geoff in Hove says...

Taking into account the injuries the team has had to cope with & the change of players with loses & loans, the team has had a terrific season that they & the fans should be very proud about. Same as last year, we're just beginning to get used to playing together as a team & we run out of season. If we can keep this team together & developing the sense of how each other plays in certain circumstances, we're capable of a top two place & certain Premiership status next year. It's not about getting better players, it's about the good players we have becoming a better team. Geoff in Hove
Taking into account the injuries the team has had to cope with & the change of players with loses & loans, the team has had a terrific season that they & the fans should be very proud about. Same as last year, we're just beginning to get used to playing together as a team & we run out of season. If we can keep this team together & developing the sense of how each other plays in certain circumstances, we're capable of a top two place & certain Premiership status next year. It's not about getting better players, it's about the good players we have becoming a better team. Geoff in Hove Geoff in Hove
  • Score: -1

9:47pm Sun 11 May 14

teagull says...

2011/12 Cardiff finish 6th and lose play-off semi final
2012/13 Cardiff Automatic promotion

2012/13 Leicester finish 6th and lose play-off semi final
2013/14 Leicester Automatic promotion

2013/14 Brighton finish 6th and lose play-off semi final
2014/15 Watch this space
2011/12 Cardiff finish 6th and lose play-off semi final 2012/13 Cardiff Automatic promotion 2012/13 Leicester finish 6th and lose play-off semi final 2013/14 Leicester Automatic promotion 2013/14 Brighton finish 6th and lose play-off semi final 2014/15 Watch this space teagull
  • Score: 16

9:58pm Sun 11 May 14

sussexfoz says...

As a Palace fan was looking forward to putting 3 or 4 past you in the premiership next season hard luck onwards and upwards must dash were on MOTD EAGLES!
As a Palace fan was looking forward to putting 3 or 4 past you in the premiership next season hard luck onwards and upwards must dash were on MOTD EAGLES! sussexfoz
  • Score: -8

10:12pm Sun 11 May 14

mikeygit says...

I tend to disagree with Geoff of Hove. We will NOT have many of the players next season as loan players will go back and Tomaz will move on and others may not be offered contracts. We now have to re-build with players capable of playing GOOD football in the Premiership and forwards that can score. Good to have CMS back and nice a bloke as he may be he has fallen short in the goal scoring dept. And goals win matches. We need players with pace--all very well passing back and forth and across but it is forward , pacey play we need. It will also be interesting to see how Fair Play rules are penalised by the FA and I believe to a degree by abiding by the rules---as we have---has held us back this season. Onwards and upwards for next season. Look forward NOT back, but learn by our shortcomings from this season.
I tend to disagree with Geoff of Hove. We will NOT have many of the players next season as loan players will go back and Tomaz will move on and others may not be offered contracts. We now have to re-build with players capable of playing GOOD football in the Premiership and forwards that can score. Good to have CMS back and nice a bloke as he may be he has fallen short in the goal scoring dept. And goals win matches. We need players with pace--all very well passing back and forth and across but it is forward , pacey play we need. It will also be interesting to see how Fair Play rules are penalised by the FA and I believe to a degree by abiding by the rules---as we have---has held us back this season. Onwards and upwards for next season. Look forward NOT back, but learn by our shortcomings from this season. mikeygit
  • Score: 4

10:17pm Sun 11 May 14

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

Oscar has just handed in his resignation. He knows the funds will not be there.
Oscar has just handed in his resignation. He knows the funds will not be there. PressBoxTeaBoy
  • Score: 0

10:23pm Sun 11 May 14

To baldly go says...

League position pastes over the cracks imo, good that we have battled to the play offs, but in all honesty it's been hard to watch, especially at home!
To negative and to much tippy tappy passing in our own half.
With all that went on post Poyet, and then all the injuries/sale of players etc some excuses can be made, our record in the transfer/loan windows has been a joke and needs a serious re think!
We will need a couple of keepers at least ans as for our defence, Greer, Bruno, Caldi and Upson (135 years old collectively) will find it increasingly harder next season so we need to look at that area of the team big time. Midfield/wingers when all fit we should be ok, Ince, Stevens, Crofts, March, LuaLua, Jfc, Agustien, Buckley. 2 more strikers to go with Cms and Ulloa, quite a big wish list I know but that's the position I think we are in, take a step back and then push on again. Let's see what the summer brings?
League position pastes over the cracks imo, good that we have battled to the play offs, but in all honesty it's been hard to watch, especially at home! To negative and to much tippy tappy passing in our own half. With all that went on post Poyet, and then all the injuries/sale of players etc some excuses can be made, our record in the transfer/loan windows has been a joke and needs a serious re think! We will need a couple of keepers at least ans as for our defence, Greer, Bruno, Caldi and Upson (135 years old collectively) will find it increasingly harder next season so we need to look at that area of the team big time. Midfield/wingers when all fit we should be ok, Ince, Stevens, Crofts, March, LuaLua, Jfc, Agustien, Buckley. 2 more strikers to go with Cms and Ulloa, quite a big wish list I know but that's the position I think we are in, take a step back and then push on again. Let's see what the summer brings? To baldly go
  • Score: 8

12:31am Mon 12 May 14

Claude Back says...

To baldly go wrote:
League position pastes over the cracks imo, good that we have battled to the play offs, but in all honesty it's been hard to watch, especially at home!
To negative and to much tippy tappy passing in our own half.
With all that went on post Poyet, and then all the injuries/sale of players etc some excuses can be made, our record in the transfer/loan windows has been a joke and needs a serious re think!
We will need a couple of keepers at least ans as for our defence, Greer, Bruno, Caldi and Upson (135 years old collectively) will find it increasingly harder next season so we need to look at that area of the team big time. Midfield/wingers when all fit we should be ok, Ince, Stevens, Crofts, March, LuaLua, Jfc, Agustien, Buckley. 2 more strikers to go with Cms and Ulloa, quite a big wish list I know but that's the position I think we are in, take a step back and then push on again. Let's see what the summer brings?
I agree.
I also feel we will get nowhere with Garcia. He seems tactically stubborn and ineffective, Why did he persist with only one striker all season when it was apparent it wasn't really working? Especially today when we needed goals. Ulloa on his own (again) as Lingard doesn't play as a twin striker. Every commentator and pundit has said the same thing this year when watching the Albion; that we are too slow and ponderous in attack and don't support the lone striker with midfield runners (like Derby). Yet there are some on here who repeatedly say Garcia has done well. How? We got where we were despite his tactics and selections not because of him! You cannot use injuries as a defence. Ward and Dunk made a useful partnership today despite their brief enforced pairing. We were well beaten before that. The team looked dejected and no appetite for the roles they were playing once Derby scored the first. By the end it was embarrassing how dispirited they were. I don't blame them for that. They were trying to combat a far superior team who had gained ascendancy because of our game plan set up at the start which seemed to be defend and hope for a goal somehow.They seemed to lack any motivation.
I cannot help thinking that if McLaren had been our manager this season we would have probably had automatic promotion with the players we have.
(Oh, btw, to whom it may concern, don't confuse constructive criticism wanting the best for the Club and opinion with 'moaning'. It's not. It doesn't diminish affection for the Albion.)
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: League position pastes over the cracks imo, good that we have battled to the play offs, but in all honesty it's been hard to watch, especially at home! To negative and to much tippy tappy passing in our own half. With all that went on post Poyet, and then all the injuries/sale of players etc some excuses can be made, our record in the transfer/loan windows has been a joke and needs a serious re think! We will need a couple of keepers at least ans as for our defence, Greer, Bruno, Caldi and Upson (135 years old collectively) will find it increasingly harder next season so we need to look at that area of the team big time. Midfield/wingers when all fit we should be ok, Ince, Stevens, Crofts, March, LuaLua, Jfc, Agustien, Buckley. 2 more strikers to go with Cms and Ulloa, quite a big wish list I know but that's the position I think we are in, take a step back and then push on again. Let's see what the summer brings?[/p][/quote]I agree. I also feel we will get nowhere with Garcia. He seems tactically stubborn and ineffective, Why did he persist with only one striker all season when it was apparent it wasn't really working? Especially today when we needed goals. Ulloa on his own (again) as Lingard doesn't play as a twin striker. Every commentator and pundit has said the same thing this year when watching the Albion; that we are too slow and ponderous in attack and don't support the lone striker with midfield runners (like Derby). Yet there are some on here who repeatedly say Garcia has done well. How? We got where we were despite his tactics and selections not because of him! You cannot use injuries as a defence. Ward and Dunk made a useful partnership today despite their brief enforced pairing. We were well beaten before that. The team looked dejected and no appetite for the roles they were playing once Derby scored the first. By the end it was embarrassing how dispirited they were. I don't blame them for that. They were trying to combat a far superior team who had gained ascendancy because of our game plan set up at the start which seemed to be defend and hope for a goal somehow.They seemed to lack any motivation. I cannot help thinking that if McLaren had been our manager this season we would have probably had automatic promotion with the players we have. (Oh, btw, to whom it may concern, don't confuse constructive criticism wanting the best for the Club and opinion with 'moaning'. It's not. It doesn't diminish affection for the Albion.) Claude Back
  • Score: 3

3:29am Mon 12 May 14

Free money says...

Name the clubs and staff after that gangster boy Dunk now???? Money and bid on table??? plus name of staff???????????????
Name the clubs and staff after that gangster boy Dunk now???? Money and bid on table??? plus name of staff??????????????? Free money
  • Score: -4

3:55am Mon 12 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Reaching the play-offs was a bonus, number of injuries was a disaster, Oscar's handling of the squad, over the season, was acceptable, Barber has found new sponsors, but all this said, I don't think Oscar got the backing he needed.
Reaching the play-offs was a bonus, number of injuries was a disaster, Oscar's handling of the squad, over the season, was acceptable, Barber has found new sponsors, but all this said, I don't think Oscar got the backing he needed. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

4:35am Mon 12 May 14

Free money says...

I said b4 the season started Dunk and Hoskins are a pure waste of space.Yet again i was proved 100% correct.B4 the thumbs down name the top clubs after them??????
I said b4 the season started Dunk and Hoskins are a pure waste of space.Yet again i was proved 100% correct.B4 the thumbs down name the top clubs after them?????? Free money
  • Score: -3

5:26am Mon 12 May 14

Free money says...

Neville wrote:
As a season ticket holder I cannot say we have ever hit a rich vein of consistency this season and for me last seasons home matches were more enjoyable.OG has done well all things considered and now needs to make his mark early in the next season,if he decides to remain.
I have supported the club for many years but the constant backwards and sideways passing and lack of goals have been frustrating to say the least, and like GP we have no plan B .
I believe OG has issues with the way the club is being run,same as GP and if the club don,t address some of the issues with player investment then a lot of supporters will object to paying the highest season tkt prices in the Championship without any reward on the pitch.
The poor sod has no control over the side.The Dunk family has full control PR over this paper and NSC almost.Like the scouts said thats why we want Cook and not that.Dunk was pure rubbish yet again.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: As a season ticket holder I cannot say we have ever hit a rich vein of consistency this season and for me last seasons home matches were more enjoyable.OG has done well all things considered and now needs to make his mark early in the next season,if he decides to remain. I have supported the club for many years but the constant backwards and sideways passing and lack of goals have been frustrating to say the least, and like GP we have no plan B . I believe OG has issues with the way the club is being run,same as GP and if the club don,t address some of the issues with player investment then a lot of supporters will object to paying the highest season tkt prices in the Championship without any reward on the pitch.[/p][/quote]The poor sod has no control over the side.The Dunk family has full control PR over this paper and NSC almost.Like the scouts said thats why we want Cook and not that.Dunk was pure rubbish yet again. Free money
  • Score: -3

5:53am Mon 12 May 14

Elgabalus says...

BHA were so many points behind Derby anyway, lucky to have got those two extra games...top 10 not top 2 side...Thank goodness we are not going to be playing Crystal palace or Liverpool or Man City...how embarassing.
BHA were so many points behind Derby anyway, lucky to have got those two extra games...top 10 not top 2 side...Thank goodness we are not going to be playing Crystal palace or Liverpool or Man City...how embarassing. Elgabalus
  • Score: -3

10:32am Mon 12 May 14

JollyRoger says...

On reflection and taking a long-term view, the season should probably be considered successful given that we made the playoffs (which I certainly didn't think we would) and equalled the performance of last year.

What disappointed me though is that there seems to have been no overall improvement either in the style of football we play. We all want the club to be successful but we also want to be entertained. Our style is light years ahead of the football we used to play in the Withdean years but is frustrating to watch at times.

The lack of pace and intensity we show going forward has been evident all season and even more so yesterday. We can all blame the injuries we've sustained this year but I do believe this has very little to do with affecting our style and mindset during a game. When OG arrived we were promised that we'd move the ball forward at pace and show the sort of attacking mentality that would put us in a real position to win games - the reality has been that this is not the case. We're slow or lethargic to get forward, would prefer to play the ball sideways or backwards (even when we are close to the opponent's goal) and very rarely shoot on sight. Our deadball skills are woeful, it's no wonder teams don't worry about conceding free kicks to us when we continually fail to make the keeper work, let alone score.

Our possession statistics might be good but, as many have said on these bulletin boards, it doesn't win games if we're not getting shots on target.

Surely, further improvement and automatic promotion must be the objective for next season and if we are to achieve this then there need to be some wholesale changes made across the team. This is going to be difficult when there are no clear signs about how FFP will be implemented and what will happen to those clubs that choose to ignore it. Personally, I don't believe the FA have the guts to penalise clubs and we will find that we have played by the rules for nothing!

We have to attract new, experienced players to the club - those that have played at Premiership level - not some aspiring 18 year old that plays for a non-league squad and "might" turn out to be useful. There are good players in the DS - it's time to bring them in to the first squad on a full-time basis to play alongside those players that are retained at the end of this season.

The comments about OG offering his resignation are worrying, especially given their timing. Personally, I think he will stay but if the reasons for him making the offer are basically the same as GP leaving then what does that say about the ambitions of the club in the long-term? Let's hope it's a sign that he is committed to the club but let's also hope that the club take him seriously and take some big steps to reassure him that he'll get the sort of help he wants to build the club. I want promotion to the Premiership but not at the risk of an immediate return to the Championship the following year. What none of us want though is for any mismanagement during the close season to leave us in the position of struggling next year and getting involved in a battle for survival. no point in having a Premiership style stadium in League 1.

UTA
On reflection and taking a long-term view, the season should probably be considered successful given that we made the playoffs (which I certainly didn't think we would) and equalled the performance of last year. What disappointed me though is that there seems to have been no overall improvement either in the style of football we play. We all want the club to be successful but we also want to be entertained. Our style is light years ahead of the football we used to play in the Withdean years but is frustrating to watch at times. The lack of pace and intensity we show going forward has been evident all season and even more so yesterday. We can all blame the injuries we've sustained this year but I do believe this has very little to do with affecting our style and mindset during a game. When OG arrived we were promised that we'd move the ball forward at pace and show the sort of attacking mentality that would put us in a real position to win games - the reality has been that this is not the case. We're slow or lethargic to get forward, would prefer to play the ball sideways or backwards (even when we are close to the opponent's goal) and very rarely shoot on sight. Our deadball skills are woeful, it's no wonder teams don't worry about conceding free kicks to us when we continually fail to make the keeper work, let alone score. Our possession statistics might be good but, as many have said on these bulletin boards, it doesn't win games if we're not getting shots on target. Surely, further improvement and automatic promotion must be the objective for next season and if we are to achieve this then there need to be some wholesale changes made across the team. This is going to be difficult when there are no clear signs about how FFP will be implemented and what will happen to those clubs that choose to ignore it. Personally, I don't believe the FA have the guts to penalise clubs and we will find that we have played by the rules for nothing! We have to attract new, experienced players to the club - those that have played at Premiership level - not some aspiring 18 year old that plays for a non-league squad and "might" turn out to be useful. There are good players in the DS - it's time to bring them in to the first squad on a full-time basis to play alongside those players that are retained at the end of this season. The comments about OG offering his resignation are worrying, especially given their timing. Personally, I think he will stay but if the reasons for him making the offer are basically the same as GP leaving then what does that say about the ambitions of the club in the long-term? Let's hope it's a sign that he is committed to the club but let's also hope that the club take him seriously and take some big steps to reassure him that he'll get the sort of help he wants to build the club. I want promotion to the Premiership but not at the risk of an immediate return to the Championship the following year. What none of us want though is for any mismanagement during the close season to leave us in the position of struggling next year and getting involved in a battle for survival. no point in having a Premiership style stadium in League 1. UTA JollyRoger
  • Score: 3

3:20pm Tue 13 May 14

victor wilding says...

two managers both said lack of cash when new and better players were required. is the new manager / coach going to be able to purchase players or are we going to sit back and loose the great support this club has because the lack of it.
two managers both said lack of cash when new and better players were required. is the new manager / coach going to be able to purchase players or are we going to sit back and loose the great support this club has because the lack of it. victor wilding
  • Score: 0

4:32pm Tue 13 May 14

Cap'n Pugwash says...

Free money wrote:
Neville wrote:
As a season ticket holder I cannot say we have ever hit a rich vein of consistency this season and for me last seasons home matches were more enjoyable.OG has done well all things considered and now needs to make his mark early in the next season,if he decides to remain.
I have supported the club for many years but the constant backwards and sideways passing and lack of goals have been frustrating to say the least, and like GP we have no plan B .
I believe OG has issues with the way the club is being run,same as GP and if the club don,t address some of the issues with player investment then a lot of supporters will object to paying the highest season tkt prices in the Championship without any reward on the pitch.
The poor sod has no control over the side.The Dunk family has full control PR over this paper and NSC almost.Like the scouts said thats why we want Cook and not that.Dunk was pure rubbish yet again.
You are such a sad, ill-informed little man. NSC controlled by the Dunk family? What a bellend you are.
[quote][p][bold]Free money[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: As a season ticket holder I cannot say we have ever hit a rich vein of consistency this season and for me last seasons home matches were more enjoyable.OG has done well all things considered and now needs to make his mark early in the next season,if he decides to remain. I have supported the club for many years but the constant backwards and sideways passing and lack of goals have been frustrating to say the least, and like GP we have no plan B . I believe OG has issues with the way the club is being run,same as GP and if the club don,t address some of the issues with player investment then a lot of supporters will object to paying the highest season tkt prices in the Championship without any reward on the pitch.[/p][/quote]The poor sod has no control over the side.The Dunk family has full control PR over this paper and NSC almost.Like the scouts said thats why we want Cook and not that.Dunk was pure rubbish yet again.[/p][/quote]You are such a sad, ill-informed little man. NSC controlled by the Dunk family? What a bellend you are. Cap'n Pugwash
  • Score: 0

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