Garcia poised for talks after reports he offered to resign

Oscar Garcia at Derby yesterday

Oscar Garcia at Derby yesterday

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ALBION boss Oscar Garcia is poised for talks about his future with chairman Tony Bloom amid reports he has offered to resign.

The Seagulls refused to make any comment last night on suggestions Oscar has told the club he wants to leave.

The Spaniard, in the first year of a three-year contract, had no contact with any Board member yesterday as Albion were knocked out of the Championship play-offs by Derby County.

That is expected to change in the next 24 hours. Oscar is set for pivotal discussions with Bloom.

The Argus understands the head coach has been dissatisfied for some time with certain aspects of the set-up behind the scenes. These include Albion's transfer dealings and the budget for strengthening the squad.

It is the second end-of-season in a row that Albion have been hit by managerial uncertainty following Gus Poyet's suspension and eventual sacking for gross misconduct last summer.

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5:26am Mon 12 May 14

Elgabalus says...

Dunk is useless and it is also a fact Bloom needs to spend a bit more and pay the wages, we are lucky to have finished as high as we did.
Dunk is useless and it is also a fact Bloom needs to spend a bit more and pay the wages, we are lucky to have finished as high as we did. Elgabalus
  • Score: -108

5:57am Mon 12 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Two years in a row, same story? Players being sold like Elabd for 80k and not replaced, we were looking at Baird of Reading ... But he has a injury problem, we signed loans who we never played ... Squad does not have depth of quality, .. If upson and GG leave are we seriously going with Dunk?
We are a big club with fantastic support who pay top money in numbers .
The suits clearly are picking the side, by the fact of selling good quality , or never replacing them, Barnes and elabd were never replaced..
Sorry TB you need to change things, or players and quality managers will not come here.
Two years in a row, same story? Players being sold like Elabd for 80k and not replaced, we were looking at Baird of Reading ... But he has a injury problem, we signed loans who we never played ... Squad does not have depth of quality, .. If upson and GG leave are we seriously going with Dunk? We are a big club with fantastic support who pay top money in numbers . The suits clearly are picking the side, by the fact of selling good quality , or never replacing them, Barnes and elabd were never replaced.. Sorry TB you need to change things, or players and quality managers will not come here. mark by the sea
  • Score: 52

6:58am Mon 12 May 14

Alfie T says...

Tony Bloom has some decisions to make, both Gus and now Oscar unhappy with off pitch dealings.One thing is certain, Oscar will conduct himself with quiet dignity, if he stays or goes there will be no slating of our football club.
Tony Bloom has some decisions to make, both Gus and now Oscar unhappy with off pitch dealings.One thing is certain, Oscar will conduct himself with quiet dignity, if he stays or goes there will be no slating of our football club. Alfie T
  • Score: 66

7:03am Mon 12 May 14

blue-eyed-boy says...

Ouch! It's that ceiling again, just goes to prove that Managers/coaches need to be coaching players they believe in, & that they share the same vision as the people they work for.
Ouch! It's that ceiling again, just goes to prove that Managers/coaches need to be coaching players they believe in, & that they share the same vision as the people they work for. blue-eyed-boy
  • Score: 42

7:04am Mon 12 May 14

mark5 says...

This is very worrying and has a feeling of last season, which frankly I did not expect. Bloom must work quickly to reassure OG and hopefully give him genuine committment ( within reason) for a decent budget and a more say in who is signed. We cannot afford another turbulent pre-season in some sort of manager less vacumn. OG has done a great job and has gone about it in a quiet and professional fashion and will establish BHA as a top side given the chance and support. The good news is that he has only "offered" to resign, so the situation (I hope) is resolvable and TB must now resolve it!! UTA!
This is very worrying and has a feeling of last season, which frankly I did not expect. Bloom must work quickly to reassure OG and hopefully give him genuine committment ( within reason) for a decent budget and a more say in who is signed. We cannot afford another turbulent pre-season in some sort of manager less vacumn. OG has done a great job and has gone about it in a quiet and professional fashion and will establish BHA as a top side given the chance and support. The good news is that he has only "offered" to resign, so the situation (I hope) is resolvable and TB must now resolve it!! UTA! mark5
  • Score: 74

7:21am Mon 12 May 14

Gal Gulls says...

A sad day , but we got to the play offs with a depleted squad with luck of others playing to our standard .We cannot move forward until the cheque book gets the cobwebs dusted of it ! The support is there maybe on the quite side ,plenty of cash coming in but none being ploughed back into the squad until we can re-build this squad play offs next season I guess can only be a dream .
Fans need to get real bloom will not spend big , that's why I cancelled my season ticket .3 seasons in the championship and brighton have become more negative than ever !
A sad day , but we got to the play offs with a depleted squad with luck of others playing to our standard .We cannot move forward until the cheque book gets the cobwebs dusted of it ! The support is there maybe on the quite side ,plenty of cash coming in but none being ploughed back into the squad until we can re-build this squad play offs next season I guess can only be a dream . Fans need to get real bloom will not spend big , that's why I cancelled my season ticket .3 seasons in the championship and brighton have become more negative than ever ! Gal Gulls
  • Score: -45

7:49am Mon 12 May 14

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

No great surprise, OG talking of quitting. So, is the Albion project a House of Cards, something that looks great but isn't substantial enough? This end of season leaves the club in a worse position than last year, with so many players either past their best or wanting away. Either a job lot of lower cost and lower quality players is shipped in or an awful lot of money gets spent. If it's the former, crowds will reduce and income with it. Basically, the club now stands on the edge of the cliff and there's a huge task ahead to even maintain a position in the Championship next time. Gloomy Monday, or what..?
No great surprise, OG talking of quitting. So, is the Albion project a House of Cards, something that looks great but isn't substantial enough? This end of season leaves the club in a worse position than last year, with so many players either past their best or wanting away. Either a job lot of lower cost and lower quality players is shipped in or an awful lot of money gets spent. If it's the former, crowds will reduce and income with it. Basically, the club now stands on the edge of the cliff and there's a huge task ahead to even maintain a position in the Championship next time. Gloomy Monday, or what..? Willie, Willie Irvine
  • Score: 21

7:50am Mon 12 May 14

Barry W says...

Surely the 4million we got for Bridcott,Barnes and El-ab is still in the kitty. We didn't sell to survive and we haven't spent it on replacements so let's have some of that for a start!
Surely the 4million we got for Bridcott,Barnes and El-ab is still in the kitty. We didn't sell to survive and we haven't spent it on replacements so let's have some of that for a start! Barry W
  • Score: 26

7:50am Mon 12 May 14

To baldly go says...

WAKE UP CALL FOR MR BLOOM!
INVEST OVER THE SUMMER OR THE DADS ARMY OF A SQUAD THAT WE HAVE WILL LEAVE US IN MID TABLE AT BEST.
RESPONSIBILITY RESTS WITH THOSE AT THE TOP, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE GOT IT WRONG NOT OG, LET THE MANAGER MANAGE THE PLAYERS THE WAY HE WANTS, NOT DICTATE TO HIM WHAT IS REQUIRED.
WE COULD END UP LIKE THE NEIGHBOUR UP THE ROAD WHO HAS A ROLLS ROYCE SITTING ON THE DRIVE BUT CANT AFFORD TO DRIVE IT ANYWHERE! IT LOOKS GOOD BUT THATS ABOUT IT.
WAKE UP CALL FOR MR BLOOM! INVEST OVER THE SUMMER OR THE DADS ARMY OF A SQUAD THAT WE HAVE WILL LEAVE US IN MID TABLE AT BEST. RESPONSIBILITY RESTS WITH THOSE AT THE TOP, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE GOT IT WRONG NOT OG, LET THE MANAGER MANAGE THE PLAYERS THE WAY HE WANTS, NOT DICTATE TO HIM WHAT IS REQUIRED. WE COULD END UP LIKE THE NEIGHBOUR UP THE ROAD WHO HAS A ROLLS ROYCE SITTING ON THE DRIVE BUT CANT AFFORD TO DRIVE IT ANYWHERE! IT LOOKS GOOD BUT THATS ABOUT IT. To baldly go
  • Score: 31

7:54am Mon 12 May 14

Marky24 says...

Sherwood for brighton! Garcia knows he can't take us forward .
Sherwood for brighton! Garcia knows he can't take us forward . Marky24
  • Score: -60

8:04am Mon 12 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Marky24 wrote:
Sherwood for brighton! Garcia knows he can't take us forward .
Problem is the job will become tainted , sheerwood needs a club which he can do his work, not be a suits puppet.
Selling Elabd and Barnes without replacing them cost us massively since Xmas... We have the highest gates and the highest prices, no more bargain hunts for cheap players ... Spanish Rodney has cost us 100k in wages etc? Was that good value?
[quote][p][bold]Marky24[/bold] wrote: Sherwood for brighton! Garcia knows he can't take us forward .[/p][/quote]Problem is the job will become tainted , sheerwood needs a club which he can do his work, not be a suits puppet. Selling Elabd and Barnes without replacing them cost us massively since Xmas... We have the highest gates and the highest prices, no more bargain hunts for cheap players ... Spanish Rodney has cost us 100k in wages etc? Was that good value? mark by the sea
  • Score: 25

8:09am Mon 12 May 14

Clean Sheet says...

Immediately post a poor result, emotions are high, and the Argus is looking for a story. If, as they say, OG has not met any of the Board, then who did he offer to resign to? Naylor? For those who think selling El Abd was wrong, he could not get into the Bristol City side. Yes, he was a great and willing servant for Brighton, but not a Champ level footballer. We need a period of calm reflection, then kick on to accumulate the sqad for a serious push next season. I am very confident that OG will remain, as he achieved Tony Blooms target, reaching the Play Offs. Derby deserved to beat us, not just for their better football over the 2 matches, but their performance over the season. We need to take a reality check now and again. We have come an incredibly long way in a short time, and will continue to build with our new academy. We have some good youngsters starting to come through, and the spine of a decent team if we can keep TK and MU for another season.
Immediately post a poor result, emotions are high, and the Argus is looking for a story. If, as they say, OG has not met any of the Board, then who did he offer to resign to? Naylor? For those who think selling El Abd was wrong, he could not get into the Bristol City side. Yes, he was a great and willing servant for Brighton, but not a Champ level footballer. We need a period of calm reflection, then kick on to accumulate the sqad for a serious push next season. I am very confident that OG will remain, as he achieved Tony Blooms target, reaching the Play Offs. Derby deserved to beat us, not just for their better football over the 2 matches, but their performance over the season. We need to take a reality check now and again. We have come an incredibly long way in a short time, and will continue to build with our new academy. We have some good youngsters starting to come through, and the spine of a decent team if we can keep TK and MU for another season. Clean Sheet
  • Score: 53

8:15am Mon 12 May 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

I bet a certain Gus Poyet will be sitting there quietly smiling at the goings on!
Not that I was completely satisfied with his performance, what happened to Murray playing in Premiership now? Bridcutt did all we get out of the two of them was 2.5M ? We will possibly not ever, know we apparently had the Same budget this year, I for one don't believe it, what happened to Vicente's wages, Bridge also all we saw was our squad being reduced Bidcutt, Elhab and nothing in the way of useful replacements, we had success with the youth players, when you consider we finished the season with the likes of Ince,March, Foster Caskey and Dunk as regular players if they are not good enough we need to sell on.
Too many of our regular stars have poor fitness records, Buckley, Lua Lua don't seem to be able to string together a number of games without being injured or playing well below par for 90mins.
Despite this we still manged to get into the playoffs, so I consider that to be a success given the circumstances.
What will happen to our club
I bet a certain Gus Poyet will be sitting there quietly smiling at the goings on! Not that I was completely satisfied with his performance, what happened to Murray playing in Premiership now? Bridcutt did all we get out of the two of them was 2.5M ? We will possibly not ever, know we apparently had the Same budget this year, I for one don't believe it, what happened to Vicente's wages, Bridge also all we saw was our squad being reduced Bidcutt, Elhab and nothing in the way of useful replacements, we had success with the youth players, when you consider we finished the season with the likes of Ince,March, Foster Caskey and Dunk as regular players if they are not good enough we need to sell on. Too many of our regular stars have poor fitness records, Buckley, Lua Lua don't seem to be able to string together a number of games without being injured or playing well below par for 90mins. Despite this we still manged to get into the playoffs, so I consider that to be a success given the circumstances. What will happen to our club Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: 9

8:16am Mon 12 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

In isolation, still seething after yesterday's performance. The lack of determination and commitment was astoundingly poor, players looked like they couldn't be bothered. Why?
Were they in the same frame of mind as last year?
Overall, my wider thoughts are bullet-pointed to save a long, wordy rant.
Squad never good enough, OG done an excellent job to get us this far.
Resignation story is clearly not without substance. When a local a paper says it 'understands' something, it's been told so and consistency with last year is alarming
TB has to look at a set up that hasn't impressed TWO international coaches
Obvious that DOF set up clearly isn't working well enough
Lack of money not necessarily the issue. It's not impossible to improve things on a shoestring. Ask Burnley.
If there isn't a bottomless pit of money, OG MUST be given a free hand to identify or approve the out of contract players HE wants.
Starting again with another new man would be a massive step backwards.
If OG goes ( and I hope he doesn't) next stop Tim Sherwood - The Tottenham link.
TB is good for BHA. I just hope he heeds the second warning from another coach/manager and looks beyond the coach.
In isolation, still seething after yesterday's performance. The lack of determination and commitment was astoundingly poor, players looked like they couldn't be bothered. Why? Were they in the same frame of mind as last year? Overall, my wider thoughts are bullet-pointed to save a long, wordy rant. Squad never good enough, OG done an excellent job to get us this far. Resignation story is clearly not without substance. When a local a paper says it 'understands' something, it's been told so and consistency with last year is alarming TB has to look at a set up that hasn't impressed TWO international coaches Obvious that DOF set up clearly isn't working well enough Lack of money not necessarily the issue. It's not impossible to improve things on a shoestring. Ask Burnley. If there isn't a bottomless pit of money, OG MUST be given a free hand to identify or approve the out of contract players HE wants. Starting again with another new man would be a massive step backwards. If OG goes ( and I hope he doesn't) next stop Tim Sherwood - The Tottenham link. TB is good for BHA. I just hope he heeds the second warning from another coach/manager and looks beyond the coach. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 13

8:22am Mon 12 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Clean Sheet wrote:
Immediately post a poor result, emotions are high, and the Argus is looking for a story. If, as they say, OG has not met any of the Board, then who did he offer to resign to? Naylor? For those who think selling El Abd was wrong, he could not get into the Bristol City side. Yes, he was a great and willing servant for Brighton, but not a Champ level footballer. We need a period of calm reflection, then kick on to accumulate the sqad for a serious push next season. I am very confident that OG will remain, as he achieved Tony Blooms target, reaching the Play Offs. Derby deserved to beat us, not just for their better football over the 2 matches, but their performance over the season. We need to take a reality check now and again. We have come an incredibly long way in a short time, and will continue to build with our new academy. We have some good youngsters starting to come through, and the spine of a decent team if we can keep TK and MU for another season.
Elabd was a decent back up centre half , not championship quality, but ahead of dunk for last few years, what that says about Dunk I don't know, but from yesterday's performance he should be on his way to bristol city..
Selling him is fine if you have a player to replace him.
We sold Barnes because we refused to pay him championship money, ..
And in the long run it costs more .. We gave Hoskins a years wages for what exact reason ? Can't get into the 18 man squad.
Then yesterday augustin turns up! Was that for the beers on the coach back ?
Sorry TB but you need to back your coach / manager.. The suits have a job, but not run in the team.
[quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: Immediately post a poor result, emotions are high, and the Argus is looking for a story. If, as they say, OG has not met any of the Board, then who did he offer to resign to? Naylor? For those who think selling El Abd was wrong, he could not get into the Bristol City side. Yes, he was a great and willing servant for Brighton, but not a Champ level footballer. We need a period of calm reflection, then kick on to accumulate the sqad for a serious push next season. I am very confident that OG will remain, as he achieved Tony Blooms target, reaching the Play Offs. Derby deserved to beat us, not just for their better football over the 2 matches, but their performance over the season. We need to take a reality check now and again. We have come an incredibly long way in a short time, and will continue to build with our new academy. We have some good youngsters starting to come through, and the spine of a decent team if we can keep TK and MU for another season.[/p][/quote]Elabd was a decent back up centre half , not championship quality, but ahead of dunk for last few years, what that says about Dunk I don't know, but from yesterday's performance he should be on his way to bristol city.. Selling him is fine if you have a player to replace him. We sold Barnes because we refused to pay him championship money, .. And in the long run it costs more .. We gave Hoskins a years wages for what exact reason ? Can't get into the 18 man squad. Then yesterday augustin turns up! Was that for the beers on the coach back ? Sorry TB but you need to back your coach / manager.. The suits have a job, but not run in the team. mark by the sea
  • Score: 15

8:23am Mon 12 May 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Barry W says...

Surely the 4million we got for Bridcott,Barnes and El-ab is still in the kitty. We didn't sell to survive and we haven't spent it on replacements so let's have some of that for a start!

Don't be naïve - the club is heavily in debt. Summer spending - whoever is in charge - will be very modest.
Barry W says... Surely the 4million we got for Bridcott,Barnes and El-ab is still in the kitty. We didn't sell to survive and we haven't spent it on replacements so let's have some of that for a start! Don't be naïve - the club is heavily in debt. Summer spending - whoever is in charge - will be very modest. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 15

8:23am Mon 12 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Clean Sheet wrote:
Immediately post a poor result, emotions are high, and the Argus is looking for a story. If, as they say, OG has not met any of the Board, then who did he offer to resign to? Naylor? For those who think selling El Abd was wrong, he could not get into the Bristol City side. Yes, he was a great and willing servant for Brighton, but not a Champ level footballer. We need a period of calm reflection, then kick on to accumulate the sqad for a serious push next season. I am very confident that OG will remain, as he achieved Tony Blooms target, reaching the Play Offs. Derby deserved to beat us, not just for their better football over the 2 matches, but their performance over the season. We need to take a reality check now and again. We have come an incredibly long way in a short time, and will continue to build with our new academy. We have some good youngsters starting to come through, and the spine of a decent team if we can keep TK and MU for another season.
D. Mail, Guardian, Sky Sports all running the same story and no overnight denial from club, which would've been easy to do if it was horse whatsit.
So overall, the warning signs are as last year. Two coaches have reached the same conclusion. We can't make the same mistakes again.
[quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: Immediately post a poor result, emotions are high, and the Argus is looking for a story. If, as they say, OG has not met any of the Board, then who did he offer to resign to? Naylor? For those who think selling El Abd was wrong, he could not get into the Bristol City side. Yes, he was a great and willing servant for Brighton, but not a Champ level footballer. We need a period of calm reflection, then kick on to accumulate the sqad for a serious push next season. I am very confident that OG will remain, as he achieved Tony Blooms target, reaching the Play Offs. Derby deserved to beat us, not just for their better football over the 2 matches, but their performance over the season. We need to take a reality check now and again. We have come an incredibly long way in a short time, and will continue to build with our new academy. We have some good youngsters starting to come through, and the spine of a decent team if we can keep TK and MU for another season.[/p][/quote]D. Mail, Guardian, Sky Sports all running the same story and no overnight denial from club, which would've been easy to do if it was horse whatsit. So overall, the warning signs are as last year. Two coaches have reached the same conclusion. We can't make the same mistakes again. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 16

8:26am Mon 12 May 14

OldGull says...

Clean Sheet wrote:
Immediately post a poor result, emotions are high, and the Argus is looking for a story. If, as they say, OG has not met any of the Board, then who did he offer to resign to? Naylor? For those who think selling El Abd was wrong, he could not get into the Bristol City side. Yes, he was a great and willing servant for Brighton, but not a Champ level footballer. We need a period of calm reflection, then kick on to accumulate the sqad for a serious push next season. I am very confident that OG will remain, as he achieved Tony Blooms target, reaching the Play Offs. Derby deserved to beat us, not just for their better football over the 2 matches, but their performance over the season. We need to take a reality check now and again. We have come an incredibly long way in a short time, and will continue to build with our new academy. We have some good youngsters starting to come through, and the spine of a decent team if we can keep TK and MU for another season.
I will not talk to it direct ,but a certain troll needs removing.
The argus really do need to change this site so that the likes of Freescumbag cannot keep returning to post slanderous and hate filled comments.
And on the main subject I hope TB & OG can come up with a package that allows him to continue.
[quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: Immediately post a poor result, emotions are high, and the Argus is looking for a story. If, as they say, OG has not met any of the Board, then who did he offer to resign to? Naylor? For those who think selling El Abd was wrong, he could not get into the Bristol City side. Yes, he was a great and willing servant for Brighton, but not a Champ level footballer. We need a period of calm reflection, then kick on to accumulate the sqad for a serious push next season. I am very confident that OG will remain, as he achieved Tony Blooms target, reaching the Play Offs. Derby deserved to beat us, not just for their better football over the 2 matches, but their performance over the season. We need to take a reality check now and again. We have come an incredibly long way in a short time, and will continue to build with our new academy. We have some good youngsters starting to come through, and the spine of a decent team if we can keep TK and MU for another season.[/p][/quote]I will not talk to it direct ,but a certain troll needs removing. The argus really do need to change this site so that the likes of Freescumbag cannot keep returning to post slanderous and hate filled comments. And on the main subject I hope TB & OG can come up with a package that allows him to continue. OldGull
  • Score: 18

8:28am Mon 12 May 14

russellsnr2 says...

I would have thought that before taking the post Oscar would have been advised of the financial situation of the club so the 'Albion's transfer dealings and the budget for strengthening the squad' he would have known about? If not then someone from inside needs to explain why not?
I do not even live in the UK now but reading this and other articles I get a feeling that not all is as it should be in the running of the club, I don't really understand this FFP as far as finance goes but it seems to be being used as an excuse not to spend money to improve the playing staff, we move from Withdean to the one hundred million pound AMEX stadium but we don't upgrade the engine for the stadium. I realize that it takes a lot of money to run a place like the AMEX but after going from attendances of between 5 to 7 thousand to near 30 thousand I cannot understand why money is not being made available for more quality players? did we not learn the lesson from last season? Our top scorer Ulloa with 16 goals and next crofts put 6 in the net. Leicester's top scorer Nugent 22 on his own, Burnley had there second top scorer Vokes with 21 so in my humble opinion unless we spend a decent amount on some quality will will have the same story again next season, a great season but no prize at the end of it.
It isn't as though we have to go out and do a complete re-vamp of the squad!
Oscar will no where we need to improve so give him a decent amount of cash and then if it does not work out he can only then " It Is MY fault".
I would have thought that before taking the post Oscar would have been advised of the financial situation of the club so the 'Albion's transfer dealings and the budget for strengthening the squad' he would have known about? If not then someone from inside needs to explain why not? I do not even live in the UK now but reading this and other articles I get a feeling that not all is as it should be in the running of the club, I don't really understand this FFP as far as finance goes but it seems to be being used as an excuse not to spend money to improve the playing staff, we move from Withdean to the one hundred million pound AMEX stadium but we don't upgrade the engine for the stadium. I realize that it takes a lot of money to run a place like the AMEX but after going from attendances of between 5 to 7 thousand to near 30 thousand I cannot understand why money is not being made available for more quality players? did we not learn the lesson from last season? Our top scorer Ulloa with 16 goals and next crofts put 6 in the net. Leicester's top scorer Nugent 22 on his own, Burnley had there second top scorer Vokes with 21 so in my humble opinion unless we spend a decent amount on some quality will will have the same story again next season, a great season but no prize at the end of it. It isn't as though we have to go out and do a complete re-vamp of the squad! Oscar will no where we need to improve so give him a decent amount of cash and then if it does not work out he can only then " It Is MY fault". russellsnr2
  • Score: 8

8:28am Mon 12 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Barry W says...

Surely the 4million we got for Bridcott,Barnes and El-ab is still in the kitty. We didn't sell to survive and we haven't spent it on replacements so let's have some of that for a start!

Don't be naïve - the club is heavily in debt. Summer spending - whoever is in charge - will be very modest.
Yep, the way I see it, the money brought in was to get the books balanced in a way that meant TB's exposure to making a further deposit was inside FFP restrictions.
Can't see there being massive investment this summer, but Burnley proved that isn't the only way to achieve.
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Barry W says... Surely the 4million we got for Bridcott,Barnes and El-ab is still in the kitty. We didn't sell to survive and we haven't spent it on replacements so let's have some of that for a start! Don't be naïve - the club is heavily in debt. Summer spending - whoever is in charge - will be very modest.[/p][/quote]Yep, the way I see it, the money brought in was to get the books balanced in a way that meant TB's exposure to making a further deposit was inside FFP restrictions. Can't see there being massive investment this summer, but Burnley proved that isn't the only way to achieve. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 8

8:33am Mon 12 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Barry W says...

Surely the 4million we got for Bridcott,Barnes and El-ab is still in the kitty. We didn't sell to survive and we haven't spent it on replacements so let's have some of that for a start!

Don't be naïve - the club is heavily in debt. Summer spending - whoever is in charge - will be very modest.
Yep, the way I see it, the money brought in was to get the books balanced in a way that meant TB's exposure to making a further deposit was inside FFP restrictions.
Can't see there being massive investment this summer, but Burnley proved that isn't the only way to achieve.
Does Burnley have a suit on 500k a year? Lol
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Barry W says... Surely the 4million we got for Bridcott,Barnes and El-ab is still in the kitty. We didn't sell to survive and we haven't spent it on replacements so let's have some of that for a start! Don't be naïve - the club is heavily in debt. Summer spending - whoever is in charge - will be very modest.[/p][/quote]Yep, the way I see it, the money brought in was to get the books balanced in a way that meant TB's exposure to making a further deposit was inside FFP restrictions. Can't see there being massive investment this summer, but Burnley proved that isn't the only way to achieve.[/p][/quote]Does Burnley have a suit on 500k a year? Lol mark by the sea
  • Score: 9

8:44am Mon 12 May 14

Marky24 says...

El abd is not a good centre half he couldn't get a game for Bristol city.
El abd is not a good centre half he couldn't get a game for Bristol city. Marky24
  • Score: 3

8:46am Mon 12 May 14

Clean Sheet says...

OldGull wrote:
Clean Sheet wrote: Immediately post a poor result, emotions are high, and the Argus is looking for a story. If, as they say, OG has not met any of the Board, then who did he offer to resign to? Naylor? For those who think selling El Abd was wrong, he could not get into the Bristol City side. Yes, he was a great and willing servant for Brighton, but not a Champ level footballer. We need a period of calm reflection, then kick on to accumulate the sqad for a serious push next season. I am very confident that OG will remain, as he achieved Tony Blooms target, reaching the Play Offs. Derby deserved to beat us, not just for their better football over the 2 matches, but their performance over the season. We need to take a reality check now and again. We have come an incredibly long way in a short time, and will continue to build with our new academy. We have some good youngsters starting to come through, and the spine of a decent team if we can keep TK and MU for another season.
I will not talk to it direct ,but a certain troll needs removing. The argus really do need to change this site so that the likes of Freescumbag cannot keep returning to post slanderous and hate filled comments. And on the main subject I hope TB & OG can come up with a package that allows him to continue.
I am sorry, I am definitely not a troll, but a Brighton supporter for as long as I can remember. My first visit to the Goldstone was in 1964, Brighton v Ipswich. I did not intend my post to be either slanderous or hate-filled, and if you read it again, I am advocating a period of calm reflection before we press on for promotion next season. I know a number of Bristol City supporters who much preferred Dunk when on loan, to El Abd. What is hate-filled about that? Apologies if I have caused offence to anyone, it was certainly not intended.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: Immediately post a poor result, emotions are high, and the Argus is looking for a story. If, as they say, OG has not met any of the Board, then who did he offer to resign to? Naylor? For those who think selling El Abd was wrong, he could not get into the Bristol City side. Yes, he was a great and willing servant for Brighton, but not a Champ level footballer. We need a period of calm reflection, then kick on to accumulate the sqad for a serious push next season. I am very confident that OG will remain, as he achieved Tony Blooms target, reaching the Play Offs. Derby deserved to beat us, not just for their better football over the 2 matches, but their performance over the season. We need to take a reality check now and again. We have come an incredibly long way in a short time, and will continue to build with our new academy. We have some good youngsters starting to come through, and the spine of a decent team if we can keep TK and MU for another season.[/p][/quote]I will not talk to it direct ,but a certain troll needs removing. The argus really do need to change this site so that the likes of Freescumbag cannot keep returning to post slanderous and hate filled comments. And on the main subject I hope TB & OG can come up with a package that allows him to continue.[/p][/quote]I am sorry, I am definitely not a troll, but a Brighton supporter for as long as I can remember. My first visit to the Goldstone was in 1964, Brighton v Ipswich. I did not intend my post to be either slanderous or hate-filled, and if you read it again, I am advocating a period of calm reflection before we press on for promotion next season. I know a number of Bristol City supporters who much preferred Dunk when on loan, to El Abd. What is hate-filled about that? Apologies if I have caused offence to anyone, it was certainly not intended. Clean Sheet
  • Score: 19

8:51am Mon 12 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Marky24 wrote:
El abd is not a good centre half he couldn't get a game for Bristol city.
But he was ahead of dunk here!!! What does that say about Dunk? From yesterday's performance I think it says he is not up to it, ball watching , slow to react .. Elabd was a ok performer, I personally thought he was rubbish, but he was ahead of Dunk, we should have bought in another to replace him, not trying to sign Baird of Reading, guy has been injured for about 18 months!
Must have been a cheap wage offer!
[quote][p][bold]Marky24[/bold] wrote: El abd is not a good centre half he couldn't get a game for Bristol city.[/p][/quote]But he was ahead of dunk here!!! What does that say about Dunk? From yesterday's performance I think it says he is not up to it, ball watching , slow to react .. Elabd was a ok performer, I personally thought he was rubbish, but he was ahead of Dunk, we should have bought in another to replace him, not trying to sign Baird of Reading, guy has been injured for about 18 months! Must have been a cheap wage offer! mark by the sea
  • Score: -8

8:53am Mon 12 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Clean Sheet wrote:
OldGull wrote:
Clean Sheet wrote: Immediately post a poor result, emotions are high, and the Argus is looking for a story. If, as they say, OG has not met any of the Board, then who did he offer to resign to? Naylor? For those who think selling El Abd was wrong, he could not get into the Bristol City side. Yes, he was a great and willing servant for Brighton, but not a Champ level footballer. We need a period of calm reflection, then kick on to accumulate the sqad for a serious push next season. I am very confident that OG will remain, as he achieved Tony Blooms target, reaching the Play Offs. Derby deserved to beat us, not just for their better football over the 2 matches, but their performance over the season. We need to take a reality check now and again. We have come an incredibly long way in a short time, and will continue to build with our new academy. We have some good youngsters starting to come through, and the spine of a decent team if we can keep TK and MU for another season.
I will not talk to it direct ,but a certain troll needs removing. The argus really do need to change this site so that the likes of Freescumbag cannot keep returning to post slanderous and hate filled comments. And on the main subject I hope TB & OG can come up with a package that allows him to continue.
I am sorry, I am definitely not a troll, but a Brighton supporter for as long as I can remember. My first visit to the Goldstone was in 1964, Brighton v Ipswich. I did not intend my post to be either slanderous or hate-filled, and if you read it again, I am advocating a period of calm reflection before we press on for promotion next season. I know a number of Bristol City supporters who much preferred Dunk when on loan, to El Abd. What is hate-filled about that? Apologies if I have caused offence to anyone, it was certainly not intended.
Gotta feeling his comments were not aimed at you, even if they were posted under your message....
[quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: Immediately post a poor result, emotions are high, and the Argus is looking for a story. If, as they say, OG has not met any of the Board, then who did he offer to resign to? Naylor? For those who think selling El Abd was wrong, he could not get into the Bristol City side. Yes, he was a great and willing servant for Brighton, but not a Champ level footballer. We need a period of calm reflection, then kick on to accumulate the sqad for a serious push next season. I am very confident that OG will remain, as he achieved Tony Blooms target, reaching the Play Offs. Derby deserved to beat us, not just for their better football over the 2 matches, but their performance over the season. We need to take a reality check now and again. We have come an incredibly long way in a short time, and will continue to build with our new academy. We have some good youngsters starting to come through, and the spine of a decent team if we can keep TK and MU for another season.[/p][/quote]I will not talk to it direct ,but a certain troll needs removing. The argus really do need to change this site so that the likes of Freescumbag cannot keep returning to post slanderous and hate filled comments. And on the main subject I hope TB & OG can come up with a package that allows him to continue.[/p][/quote]I am sorry, I am definitely not a troll, but a Brighton supporter for as long as I can remember. My first visit to the Goldstone was in 1964, Brighton v Ipswich. I did not intend my post to be either slanderous or hate-filled, and if you read it again, I am advocating a period of calm reflection before we press on for promotion next season. I know a number of Bristol City supporters who much preferred Dunk when on loan, to El Abd. What is hate-filled about that? Apologies if I have caused offence to anyone, it was certainly not intended.[/p][/quote]Gotta feeling his comments were not aimed at you, even if they were posted under your message.... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 9

8:58am Mon 12 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Marky24 wrote:
El abd is not a good centre half he couldn't get a game for Bristol city.
But he was ahead of dunk here!!! What does that say about Dunk? From yesterday's performance I think it says he is not up to it, ball watching , slow to react .. Elabd was a ok performer, I personally thought he was rubbish, but he was ahead of Dunk, we should have bought in another to replace him, not trying to sign Baird of Reading, guy has been injured for about 18 months!
Must have been a cheap wage offer!
The opinions on Dunk - in some cases bordering libel - are masking a slightly wider problem in my view.
Is the lad good enough for what we need? IMO, no, but he's only in the same category as two or three others, so singling him out is a bit rich. We didn't have sufficient cover at centre back and it's clear to me the execs thought we did. It's one area where I believe OG will have been frustrated and probably the reason why Upson continued to play when he shouldn't have.
That, in itself, is not Dunk's fault. He's not a first back-up, let alone a starter but all that makes him is a footballer who needs to play at a lower level - not the devil.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marky24[/bold] wrote: El abd is not a good centre half he couldn't get a game for Bristol city.[/p][/quote]But he was ahead of dunk here!!! What does that say about Dunk? From yesterday's performance I think it says he is not up to it, ball watching , slow to react .. Elabd was a ok performer, I personally thought he was rubbish, but he was ahead of Dunk, we should have bought in another to replace him, not trying to sign Baird of Reading, guy has been injured for about 18 months! Must have been a cheap wage offer![/p][/quote]The opinions on Dunk - in some cases bordering libel - are masking a slightly wider problem in my view. Is the lad good enough for what we need? IMO, no, but he's only in the same category as two or three others, so singling him out is a bit rich. We didn't have sufficient cover at centre back and it's clear to me the execs thought we did. It's one area where I believe OG will have been frustrated and probably the reason why Upson continued to play when he shouldn't have. That, in itself, is not Dunk's fault. He's not a first back-up, let alone a starter but all that makes him is a footballer who needs to play at a lower level - not the devil. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 17

9:02am Mon 12 May 14

wiseman of hove says...

Amidst all the speculation, one thing stands out for me. The appalling injury and fitness issues at this club. Week after week.
Amidst all the speculation, one thing stands out for me. The appalling injury and fitness issues at this club. Week after week. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 20

9:11am Mon 12 May 14

the taffster says...

Marky24 wrote:
Sherwood for brighton! Garcia knows he can't take us forward .
Agree with this...Sherwood or laudrup.
[quote][p][bold]Marky24[/bold] wrote: Sherwood for brighton! Garcia knows he can't take us forward .[/p][/quote]Agree with this...Sherwood or laudrup. the taffster
  • Score: -9

9:14am Mon 12 May 14

mark by the sea says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
Amidst all the speculation, one thing stands out for me. The appalling injury and fitness issues at this club. Week after week.
But we pick up injury prone players because they are cheap!
We tried to sign Baird who has hardly played a game in 18 months from Reading, I don't have problem selling players if it's..
A ) a good price
B) we have better or we need better and we have someone lined up.
C) they simply won't get a game or needed as back up.
None of those things was the case in Elabds case,
The reason I pick out Dunk is he is the future... If that is the case we won't get above 10 th place next year and will play to gates of 20,000
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: Amidst all the speculation, one thing stands out for me. The appalling injury and fitness issues at this club. Week after week.[/p][/quote]But we pick up injury prone players because they are cheap! We tried to sign Baird who has hardly played a game in 18 months from Reading, I don't have problem selling players if it's.. A ) a good price B) we have better or we need better and we have someone lined up. C) they simply won't get a game or needed as back up. None of those things was the case in Elabds case, The reason I pick out Dunk is he is the future... If that is the case we won't get above 10 th place next year and will play to gates of 20,000 mark by the sea
  • Score: -7

9:17am Mon 12 May 14

Neville says...

There have been strong rumours in the past week regarding Malkay McKay and he has just suddenly stopped his legal action against Cardiff.
In my opinion this year has been a disaster for player activity,OG has done a good job under almost impossible conditions and poor transfer activity.Lets look at what has happened.
It was known Barnes was not going to sign a contract extension at the start of the season and he was allowed to leave with no replacement.
We had the farcical situations with Lita and Obita. Grabban was announced as coming then didn't. Augustien was signed and on two year deal and has never featured in a full game.ElAbd was allowed to leave without any replacement.
Rodriguez was signed till season end but never featured in a full match.
Hoskins apparently now fit,has never featured.
The only decent signing,again my opinion only,was Dale Stephens.
I cannot believe this activity was initiated by OG.
Money from Barnes,El Abd and Bridcutt never spent,presumably assisting FFP rules.
The club is being controlled by boardroom and not the actaul playing staff,so you can see why OG wants out.
Cannot fault TB and I am sure he will get this sorted but it really is an unhappy state of affairs to be going through all this again. Most of team out of contract at the same time,possibly no head coach and team rebuild necessary,back to square one.
Season ticket holders are watching events very closely.
There have been strong rumours in the past week regarding Malkay McKay and he has just suddenly stopped his legal action against Cardiff. In my opinion this year has been a disaster for player activity,OG has done a good job under almost impossible conditions and poor transfer activity.Lets look at what has happened. It was known Barnes was not going to sign a contract extension at the start of the season and he was allowed to leave with no replacement. We had the farcical situations with Lita and Obita. Grabban was announced as coming then didn't. Augustien was signed and on two year deal and has never featured in a full game.ElAbd was allowed to leave without any replacement. Rodriguez was signed till season end but never featured in a full match. Hoskins apparently now fit,has never featured. The only decent signing,again my opinion only,was Dale Stephens. I cannot believe this activity was initiated by OG. Money from Barnes,El Abd and Bridcutt never spent,presumably assisting FFP rules. The club is being controlled by boardroom and not the actaul playing staff,so you can see why OG wants out. Cannot fault TB and I am sure he will get this sorted but it really is an unhappy state of affairs to be going through all this again. Most of team out of contract at the same time,possibly no head coach and team rebuild necessary,back to square one. Season ticket holders are watching events very closely. Neville
  • Score: 23

9:21am Mon 12 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Neville wrote:
There have been strong rumours in the past week regarding Malkay McKay and he has just suddenly stopped his legal action against Cardiff.
In my opinion this year has been a disaster for player activity,OG has done a good job under almost impossible conditions and poor transfer activity.Lets look at what has happened.
It was known Barnes was not going to sign a contract extension at the start of the season and he was allowed to leave with no replacement.
We had the farcical situations with Lita and Obita. Grabban was announced as coming then didn't. Augustien was signed and on two year deal and has never featured in a full game.ElAbd was allowed to leave without any replacement.
Rodriguez was signed till season end but never featured in a full match.
Hoskins apparently now fit,has never featured.
The only decent signing,again my opinion only,was Dale Stephens.
I cannot believe this activity was initiated by OG.
Money from Barnes,El Abd and Bridcutt never spent,presumably assisting FFP rules.
The club is being controlled by boardroom and not the actaul playing staff,so you can see why OG wants out.
Cannot fault TB and I am sure he will get this sorted but it really is an unhappy state of affairs to be going through all this again. Most of team out of contract at the same time,possibly no head coach and team rebuild necessary,back to square one.
Season ticket holders are watching events very closely.
Great post, OG never had choices , the silverware was sold off behind his back and replaced with plastic.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: There have been strong rumours in the past week regarding Malkay McKay and he has just suddenly stopped his legal action against Cardiff. In my opinion this year has been a disaster for player activity,OG has done a good job under almost impossible conditions and poor transfer activity.Lets look at what has happened. It was known Barnes was not going to sign a contract extension at the start of the season and he was allowed to leave with no replacement. We had the farcical situations with Lita and Obita. Grabban was announced as coming then didn't. Augustien was signed and on two year deal and has never featured in a full game.ElAbd was allowed to leave without any replacement. Rodriguez was signed till season end but never featured in a full match. Hoskins apparently now fit,has never featured. The only decent signing,again my opinion only,was Dale Stephens. I cannot believe this activity was initiated by OG. Money from Barnes,El Abd and Bridcutt never spent,presumably assisting FFP rules. The club is being controlled by boardroom and not the actaul playing staff,so you can see why OG wants out. Cannot fault TB and I am sure he will get this sorted but it really is an unhappy state of affairs to be going through all this again. Most of team out of contract at the same time,possibly no head coach and team rebuild necessary,back to square one. Season ticket holders are watching events very closely.[/p][/quote]Great post, OG never had choices , the silverware was sold off behind his back and replaced with plastic. mark by the sea
  • Score: 23

9:31am Mon 12 May 14

Alfie T says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Marky24 wrote:
El abd is not a good centre half he couldn't get a game for Bristol city.
But he was ahead of dunk here!!! What does that say about Dunk? From yesterday's performance I think it says he is not up to it, ball watching , slow to react .. Elabd was a ok performer, I personally thought he was rubbish, but he was ahead of Dunk, we should have bought in another to replace him, not trying to sign Baird of Reading, guy has been injured for about 18 months!
Must have been a cheap wage offer!
The opinions on Dunk - in some cases bordering libel - are masking a slightly wider problem in my view.
Is the lad good enough for what we need? IMO, no, but he's only in the same category as two or three others, so singling him out is a bit rich. We didn't have sufficient cover at centre back and it's clear to me the execs thought we did. It's one area where I believe OG will have been frustrated and probably the reason why Upson continued to play when he shouldn't have.
That, in itself, is not Dunk's fault. He's not a first back-up, let alone a starter but all that makes him is a footballer who needs to play at a lower level - not the devil.
I have been really impressed with Dunk until yesterday, when Greer went off he looked lost, think he has the potential to be a good player, needs to grow a pair though. We need leaders at this club from the keeper to the Strikers, Greer was right up for it before he went off injured. TK's race is run, looks like he wants out now, and I won't be that disappointed, plenty of good keepers around the Championship.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marky24[/bold] wrote: El abd is not a good centre half he couldn't get a game for Bristol city.[/p][/quote]But he was ahead of dunk here!!! What does that say about Dunk? From yesterday's performance I think it says he is not up to it, ball watching , slow to react .. Elabd was a ok performer, I personally thought he was rubbish, but he was ahead of Dunk, we should have bought in another to replace him, not trying to sign Baird of Reading, guy has been injured for about 18 months! Must have been a cheap wage offer![/p][/quote]The opinions on Dunk - in some cases bordering libel - are masking a slightly wider problem in my view. Is the lad good enough for what we need? IMO, no, but he's only in the same category as two or three others, so singling him out is a bit rich. We didn't have sufficient cover at centre back and it's clear to me the execs thought we did. It's one area where I believe OG will have been frustrated and probably the reason why Upson continued to play when he shouldn't have. That, in itself, is not Dunk's fault. He's not a first back-up, let alone a starter but all that makes him is a footballer who needs to play at a lower level - not the devil.[/p][/quote]I have been really impressed with Dunk until yesterday, when Greer went off he looked lost, think he has the potential to be a good player, needs to grow a pair though. We need leaders at this club from the keeper to the Strikers, Greer was right up for it before he went off injured. TK's race is run, looks like he wants out now, and I won't be that disappointed, plenty of good keepers around the Championship. Alfie T
  • Score: 17

9:34am Mon 12 May 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

mark by the sea says...


wiseman of hove wrote:
Amidst all the speculation, one thing stands out for me. The appalling injury and fitness issues at this club. Week after week.
But we pick up injury prone players because they are cheap!
We tried to sign Baird who has hardly played a game in 18 months from Reading, I don't have problem selling players if it's..
A ) a good price
B) we have better or we need better and we have someone lined up.
C) they simply won't get a game or needed as back up.
None of those things was the case in Elabds case,
The reason I pick out Dunk is he is the future... If that is the case we won't get above 10 th place next year and will play to gates of 20,000.

Hypocritical, nonsensical tripe. Mark, you never had a good word for El-Abd when he was at the club 'taxi for El-Abd' ! You constantly predict falling gates for the albion - experience and next season's ticket sales tell a different story. Your anti Dunk stance does not surprise me at all - you have always hated the products of the youth system .Albion did not lose yesterday because is Dunk came on - the whole team played poorly and the back four's cohesion imploded when Greer went off nd four defenders had to play together for the first time.
mark by the sea says... wiseman of hove wrote: Amidst all the speculation, one thing stands out for me. The appalling injury and fitness issues at this club. Week after week. But we pick up injury prone players because they are cheap! We tried to sign Baird who has hardly played a game in 18 months from Reading, I don't have problem selling players if it's.. A ) a good price B) we have better or we need better and we have someone lined up. C) they simply won't get a game or needed as back up. None of those things was the case in Elabds case, The reason I pick out Dunk is he is the future... If that is the case we won't get above 10 th place next year and will play to gates of 20,000. Hypocritical, nonsensical tripe. Mark, you never had a good word for El-Abd when he was at the club 'taxi for El-Abd' ! You constantly predict falling gates for the albion - experience and next season's ticket sales tell a different story. Your anti Dunk stance does not surprise me at all - you have always hated the products of the youth system .Albion did not lose yesterday because is Dunk came on - the whole team played poorly and the back four's cohesion imploded when Greer went off nd four defenders had to play together for the first time. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 10

9:50am Mon 12 May 14

WestStander17 says...

Why all the drama?! Lets keep things simple, shall we?

Summing up, Oscar has done well in his first season here, I'm sure he has learnt a lot. Despite a crippling injury list, he has taken us to the Play-Offs playing good football in a way we needed to to get results.

The way forward? I'd like Oscar to stay but be given full control over transfers within a given budget. Let him stand or fall by his decisions, we all can see he will do so with class and dignity.

Lets just have some transparency. The club should set out exactly who is doing what behind the scenes. What they do and why they are the person for that role.

Whoever is going to be the person or people to take us forward has a great opportunity to make this squad their own with the number of players out of contract. There are some that can still do a great job for us and others that we can let go to freshen the team up.

We came 6th! We aren't far away, even with the injuries we had. I'd be interested to see what squad people would keep and what positions they feel need filling. I think tinkering could do the job rather than a mass overhaul.
Why all the drama?! Lets keep things simple, shall we? Summing up, Oscar has done well in his first season here, I'm sure he has learnt a lot. Despite a crippling injury list, he has taken us to the Play-Offs playing good football in a way we needed to to get results. The way forward? I'd like Oscar to stay but be given full control over transfers within a given budget. Let him stand or fall by his decisions, we all can see he will do so with class and dignity. Lets just have some transparency. The club should set out exactly who is doing what behind the scenes. What they do and why they are the person for that role. Whoever is going to be the person or people to take us forward has a great opportunity to make this squad their own with the number of players out of contract. There are some that can still do a great job for us and others that we can let go to freshen the team up. We came 6th! We aren't far away, even with the injuries we had. I'd be interested to see what squad people would keep and what positions they feel need filling. I think tinkering could do the job rather than a mass overhaul. WestStander17
  • Score: 21

9:53am Mon 12 May 14

brightonup says...

Free money wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Clean Sheet wrote:
Immediately post a poor result, emotions are high, and the Argus is looking for a story. If, as they say, OG has not met any of the Board, then who did he offer to resign to? Naylor? For those who think selling El Abd was wrong, he could not get into the Bristol City side. Yes, he was a great and willing servant for Brighton, but not a Champ level footballer. We need a period of calm reflection, then kick on to accumulate the sqad for a serious push next season. I am very confident that OG will remain, as he achieved Tony Blooms target, reaching the Play Offs. Derby deserved to beat us, not just for their better football over the 2 matches, but their performance over the season. We need to take a reality check now and again. We have come an incredibly long way in a short time, and will continue to build with our new academy. We have some good youngsters starting to come through, and the spine of a decent team if we can keep TK and MU for another season.
Elabd was a decent back up centre half , not championship quality, but ahead of dunk for last few years, what that says about Dunk I don't know, but from yesterday's performance he should be on his way to bristol city..
Selling him is fine if you have a player to replace him.
We sold Barnes because we refused to pay him championship money, ..
And in the long run it costs more .. We gave Hoskins a years wages for what exact reason ? Can't get into the 18 man squad.
Then yesterday augustin turns up! Was that for the beers on the coach back ?
Sorry TB but you need to back your coach / manager.. The suits have a job, but not run in the team.
Outstanding MBTS just pure outstanding.
Earning such praise from trolls must make you very proud MBTS.
You have earned such endorsement.
[quote][p][bold]Free money[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: Immediately post a poor result, emotions are high, and the Argus is looking for a story. If, as they say, OG has not met any of the Board, then who did he offer to resign to? Naylor? For those who think selling El Abd was wrong, he could not get into the Bristol City side. Yes, he was a great and willing servant for Brighton, but not a Champ level footballer. We need a period of calm reflection, then kick on to accumulate the sqad for a serious push next season. I am very confident that OG will remain, as he achieved Tony Blooms target, reaching the Play Offs. Derby deserved to beat us, not just for their better football over the 2 matches, but their performance over the season. We need to take a reality check now and again. We have come an incredibly long way in a short time, and will continue to build with our new academy. We have some good youngsters starting to come through, and the spine of a decent team if we can keep TK and MU for another season.[/p][/quote]Elabd was a decent back up centre half , not championship quality, but ahead of dunk for last few years, what that says about Dunk I don't know, but from yesterday's performance he should be on his way to bristol city.. Selling him is fine if you have a player to replace him. We sold Barnes because we refused to pay him championship money, .. And in the long run it costs more .. We gave Hoskins a years wages for what exact reason ? Can't get into the 18 man squad. Then yesterday augustin turns up! Was that for the beers on the coach back ? Sorry TB but you need to back your coach / manager.. The suits have a job, but not run in the team.[/p][/quote]Outstanding MBTS just pure outstanding.[/p][/quote]Earning such praise from trolls must make you very proud MBTS. You have earned such endorsement. brightonup
  • Score: 9

9:53am Mon 12 May 14

albionfan33 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Marky24 wrote:
El abd is not a good centre half he couldn't get a game for Bristol city.
But he was ahead of dunk here!!! What does that say about Dunk? From yesterday's performance I think it says he is not up to it, ball watching , slow to react .. Elabd was a ok performer, I personally thought he was rubbish, but he was ahead of Dunk, we should have bought in another to replace him, not trying to sign Baird of Reading, guy has been injured for about 18 months!
Must have been a cheap wage offer!
i think you're being unfair on dunk who has had no game time to speak of and when called apon has played well. with a good range of passing and aware of what was around him ie when he covered behind tk vs foreset without that we wouldnt of made the playoffs given a season of regular playing he would become a worthy cb for us
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marky24[/bold] wrote: El abd is not a good centre half he couldn't get a game for Bristol city.[/p][/quote]But he was ahead of dunk here!!! What does that say about Dunk? From yesterday's performance I think it says he is not up to it, ball watching , slow to react .. Elabd was a ok performer, I personally thought he was rubbish, but he was ahead of Dunk, we should have bought in another to replace him, not trying to sign Baird of Reading, guy has been injured for about 18 months! Must have been a cheap wage offer![/p][/quote]i think you're being unfair on dunk who has had no game time to speak of and when called apon has played well. with a good range of passing and aware of what was around him ie when he covered behind tk vs foreset without that we wouldnt of made the playoffs given a season of regular playing he would become a worthy cb for us albionfan33
  • Score: 20

9:57am Mon 12 May 14

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

If OG is leaving (and I reckon he will go today) the thought of getting Malkay McKay at the helm is pretty enticing. However, what would be in it for him, or Sherwood for that matter? A nice stadium and training facility, yes, but also a seriously depleted squad for next season, apparently little cash to spend and the incoming players selected by others.
I think TB has some serious thinking to do about the set-up, and pdq! Otherwise his pet project, into which he has invested so much personal money, is at risk of derailment.
If OG is leaving (and I reckon he will go today) the thought of getting Malkay McKay at the helm is pretty enticing. However, what would be in it for him, or Sherwood for that matter? A nice stadium and training facility, yes, but also a seriously depleted squad for next season, apparently little cash to spend and the incoming players selected by others. I think TB has some serious thinking to do about the set-up, and pdq! Otherwise his pet project, into which he has invested so much personal money, is at risk of derailment. Willie, Willie Irvine
  • Score: 9

9:58am Mon 12 May 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Clean Sheet wrote:
OldGull wrote:
Clean Sheet wrote: Immediately post a poor result, emotions are high, and the Argus is looking for a story. If, as they say, OG has not met any of the Board, then who did he offer to resign to? Naylor? For those who think selling El Abd was wrong, he could not get into the Bristol City side. Yes, he was a great and willing servant for Brighton, but not a Champ level footballer. We need a period of calm reflection, then kick on to accumulate the sqad for a serious push next season. I am very confident that OG will remain, as he achieved Tony Blooms target, reaching the Play Offs. Derby deserved to beat us, not just for their better football over the 2 matches, but their performance over the season. We need to take a reality check now and again. We have come an incredibly long way in a short time, and will continue to build with our new academy. We have some good youngsters starting to come through, and the spine of a decent team if we can keep TK and MU for another season.
I will not talk to it direct ,but a certain troll needs removing. The argus really do need to change this site so that the likes of Freescumbag cannot keep returning to post slanderous and hate filled comments. And on the main subject I hope TB & OG can come up with a package that allows him to continue.
I am sorry, I am definitely not a troll, but a Brighton supporter for as long as I can remember. My first visit to the Goldstone was in 1964, Brighton v Ipswich. I did not intend my post to be either slanderous or hate-filled, and if you read it again, I am advocating a period of calm reflection before we press on for promotion next season. I know a number of Bristol City supporters who much preferred Dunk when on loan, to El Abd. What is hate-filled about that? Apologies if I have caused offence to anyone, it was certainly not intended.
Don't remember Albion v Ipswich in 1964. Unless it was a friendly Albion didn't play Ipswich in Division 4 or any of the cups. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: Immediately post a poor result, emotions are high, and the Argus is looking for a story. If, as they say, OG has not met any of the Board, then who did he offer to resign to? Naylor? For those who think selling El Abd was wrong, he could not get into the Bristol City side. Yes, he was a great and willing servant for Brighton, but not a Champ level footballer. We need a period of calm reflection, then kick on to accumulate the sqad for a serious push next season. I am very confident that OG will remain, as he achieved Tony Blooms target, reaching the Play Offs. Derby deserved to beat us, not just for their better football over the 2 matches, but their performance over the season. We need to take a reality check now and again. We have come an incredibly long way in a short time, and will continue to build with our new academy. We have some good youngsters starting to come through, and the spine of a decent team if we can keep TK and MU for another season.[/p][/quote]I will not talk to it direct ,but a certain troll needs removing. The argus really do need to change this site so that the likes of Freescumbag cannot keep returning to post slanderous and hate filled comments. And on the main subject I hope TB & OG can come up with a package that allows him to continue.[/p][/quote]I am sorry, I am definitely not a troll, but a Brighton supporter for as long as I can remember. My first visit to the Goldstone was in 1964, Brighton v Ipswich. I did not intend my post to be either slanderous or hate-filled, and if you read it again, I am advocating a period of calm reflection before we press on for promotion next season. I know a number of Bristol City supporters who much preferred Dunk when on loan, to El Abd. What is hate-filled about that? Apologies if I have caused offence to anyone, it was certainly not intended.[/p][/quote]Don't remember Albion v Ipswich in 1964. Unless it was a friendly Albion didn't play Ipswich in Division 4 or any of the cups. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 6

10:13am Mon 12 May 14

Claude Back says...

Neville wrote:
There have been strong rumours in the past week regarding Malkay McKay and he has just suddenly stopped his legal action against Cardiff.
In my opinion this year has been a disaster for player activity,OG has done a good job under almost impossible conditions and poor transfer activity.Lets look at what has happened.
It was known Barnes was not going to sign a contract extension at the start of the season and he was allowed to leave with no replacement.
We had the farcical situations with Lita and Obita. Grabban was announced as coming then didn't. Augustien was signed and on two year deal and has never featured in a full game.ElAbd was allowed to leave without any replacement.
Rodriguez was signed till season end but never featured in a full match.
Hoskins apparently now fit,has never featured.
The only decent signing,again my opinion only,was Dale Stephens.
I cannot believe this activity was initiated by OG.
Money from Barnes,El Abd and Bridcutt never spent,presumably assisting FFP rules.
The club is being controlled by boardroom and not the actaul playing staff,so you can see why OG wants out.
Cannot fault TB and I am sure he will get this sorted but it really is an unhappy state of affairs to be going through all this again. Most of team out of contract at the same time,possibly no head coach and team rebuild necessary,back to square one.
Season ticket holders are watching events very closely.
I really hope we get M.M. but he would have to be given a free hand if he came here. We would then see good attacking football rather than this Continental ponderous stuff.
Btw I think you overlooked Ward who, although a loan, is a good signing and been a success....in my view.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: There have been strong rumours in the past week regarding Malkay McKay and he has just suddenly stopped his legal action against Cardiff. In my opinion this year has been a disaster for player activity,OG has done a good job under almost impossible conditions and poor transfer activity.Lets look at what has happened. It was known Barnes was not going to sign a contract extension at the start of the season and he was allowed to leave with no replacement. We had the farcical situations with Lita and Obita. Grabban was announced as coming then didn't. Augustien was signed and on two year deal and has never featured in a full game.ElAbd was allowed to leave without any replacement. Rodriguez was signed till season end but never featured in a full match. Hoskins apparently now fit,has never featured. The only decent signing,again my opinion only,was Dale Stephens. I cannot believe this activity was initiated by OG. Money from Barnes,El Abd and Bridcutt never spent,presumably assisting FFP rules. The club is being controlled by boardroom and not the actaul playing staff,so you can see why OG wants out. Cannot fault TB and I am sure he will get this sorted but it really is an unhappy state of affairs to be going through all this again. Most of team out of contract at the same time,possibly no head coach and team rebuild necessary,back to square one. Season ticket holders are watching events very closely.[/p][/quote]I really hope we get M.M. but he would have to be given a free hand if he came here. We would then see good attacking football rather than this Continental ponderous stuff. Btw I think you overlooked Ward who, although a loan, is a good signing and been a success....in my view. Claude Back
  • Score: 10

10:23am Mon 12 May 14

farside says...

OldGull wrote:
Clean Sheet wrote:
Immediately post a poor result, emotions are high, and the Argus is looking for a story. If, as they say, OG has not met any of the Board, then who did he offer to resign to? Naylor? For those who think selling El Abd was wrong, he could not get into the Bristol City side. Yes, he was a great and willing servant for Brighton, but not a Champ level footballer. We need a period of calm reflection, then kick on to accumulate the sqad for a serious push next season. I am very confident that OG will remain, as he achieved Tony Blooms target, reaching the Play Offs. Derby deserved to beat us, not just for their better football over the 2 matches, but their performance over the season. We need to take a reality check now and again. We have come an incredibly long way in a short time, and will continue to build with our new academy. We have some good youngsters starting to come through, and the spine of a decent team if we can keep TK and MU for another season.
I will not talk to it direct ,but a certain troll needs removing.
The argus really do need to change this site so that the likes of Freescumbag cannot keep returning to post slanderous and hate filled comments.
And on the main subject I hope TB & OG can come up with a package that allows him to continue.
Norfolk and Away or Free Money.......one and the same......allowed to troll they do the Argus no favours as the web site goes the same way as the paper.

Back to the point. Hope Albion can learn from this and move forward with stability and unity
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: Immediately post a poor result, emotions are high, and the Argus is looking for a story. If, as they say, OG has not met any of the Board, then who did he offer to resign to? Naylor? For those who think selling El Abd was wrong, he could not get into the Bristol City side. Yes, he was a great and willing servant for Brighton, but not a Champ level footballer. We need a period of calm reflection, then kick on to accumulate the sqad for a serious push next season. I am very confident that OG will remain, as he achieved Tony Blooms target, reaching the Play Offs. Derby deserved to beat us, not just for their better football over the 2 matches, but their performance over the season. We need to take a reality check now and again. We have come an incredibly long way in a short time, and will continue to build with our new academy. We have some good youngsters starting to come through, and the spine of a decent team if we can keep TK and MU for another season.[/p][/quote]I will not talk to it direct ,but a certain troll needs removing. The argus really do need to change this site so that the likes of Freescumbag cannot keep returning to post slanderous and hate filled comments. And on the main subject I hope TB & OG can come up with a package that allows him to continue.[/p][/quote]Norfolk and Away or Free Money.......one and the same......allowed to troll they do the Argus no favours as the web site goes the same way as the paper. Back to the point. Hope Albion can learn from this and move forward with stability and unity farside
  • Score: 8

10:23am Mon 12 May 14

farside says...

OldGull wrote:
Clean Sheet wrote:
Immediately post a poor result, emotions are high, and the Argus is looking for a story. If, as they say, OG has not met any of the Board, then who did he offer to resign to? Naylor? For those who think selling El Abd was wrong, he could not get into the Bristol City side. Yes, he was a great and willing servant for Brighton, but not a Champ level footballer. We need a period of calm reflection, then kick on to accumulate the sqad for a serious push next season. I am very confident that OG will remain, as he achieved Tony Blooms target, reaching the Play Offs. Derby deserved to beat us, not just for their better football over the 2 matches, but their performance over the season. We need to take a reality check now and again. We have come an incredibly long way in a short time, and will continue to build with our new academy. We have some good youngsters starting to come through, and the spine of a decent team if we can keep TK and MU for another season.
I will not talk to it direct ,but a certain troll needs removing.
The argus really do need to change this site so that the likes of Freescumbag cannot keep returning to post slanderous and hate filled comments.
And on the main subject I hope TB & OG can come up with a package that allows him to continue.
Norfolk and Away or Free Money.......one and the same......allowed to troll they do the Argus no favours as the web site goes the same way as the paper.

Back to the point. Hope Albion can learn from this and move forward with stability and unity
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: Immediately post a poor result, emotions are high, and the Argus is looking for a story. If, as they say, OG has not met any of the Board, then who did he offer to resign to? Naylor? For those who think selling El Abd was wrong, he could not get into the Bristol City side. Yes, he was a great and willing servant for Brighton, but not a Champ level footballer. We need a period of calm reflection, then kick on to accumulate the sqad for a serious push next season. I am very confident that OG will remain, as he achieved Tony Blooms target, reaching the Play Offs. Derby deserved to beat us, not just for their better football over the 2 matches, but their performance over the season. We need to take a reality check now and again. We have come an incredibly long way in a short time, and will continue to build with our new academy. We have some good youngsters starting to come through, and the spine of a decent team if we can keep TK and MU for another season.[/p][/quote]I will not talk to it direct ,but a certain troll needs removing. The argus really do need to change this site so that the likes of Freescumbag cannot keep returning to post slanderous and hate filled comments. And on the main subject I hope TB & OG can come up with a package that allows him to continue.[/p][/quote]Norfolk and Away or Free Money.......one and the same......allowed to troll they do the Argus no favours as the web site goes the same way as the paper. Back to the point. Hope Albion can learn from this and move forward with stability and unity farside
  • Score: 1

10:24am Mon 12 May 14

Simbosims says...

I don't understand why so many posters on here question the whereabouts of the proceedsof transfer fees for Barnes, Bridcutt, ElAbd etc.

I understand from relatives in the area, (I live near Cardiff), that the Development Squad Complex near Lancing/Shoreham is AWESOME!

How do people think this project, which will secure the future of the club, is funded? TB and family have invested milions in our club, they do not have unlimited funds and people should appreciate just how we have come in recent years.

So stop moaning, be grateful for what you have, OG must have had previous discussions with TB regarding available funds/budgets, if he did not that is his problerm.

I admire what he has achieved to date but if he does not want the shirt let him go. In my opinion Malky McKay would be a perfect replacement.
I don't understand why so many posters on here question the whereabouts of the proceedsof transfer fees for Barnes, Bridcutt, ElAbd etc. I understand from relatives in the area, (I live near Cardiff), that the Development Squad Complex near Lancing/Shoreham is AWESOME! How do people think this project, which will secure the future of the club, is funded? TB and family have invested milions in our club, they do not have unlimited funds and people should appreciate just how we have come in recent years. So stop moaning, be grateful for what you have, OG must have had previous discussions with TB regarding available funds/budgets, if he did not that is his problerm. I admire what he has achieved to date but if he does not want the shirt let him go. In my opinion Malky McKay would be a perfect replacement. Simbosims
  • Score: 18

10:27am Mon 12 May 14

WestStander17 says...

Claude Back wrote:
Neville wrote:
There have been strong rumours in the past week regarding Malkay McKay and he has just suddenly stopped his legal action against Cardiff.
In my opinion this year has been a disaster for player activity,OG has done a good job under almost impossible conditions and poor transfer activity.Lets look at what has happened.
It was known Barnes was not going to sign a contract extension at the start of the season and he was allowed to leave with no replacement.
We had the farcical situations with Lita and Obita. Grabban was announced as coming then didn't. Augustien was signed and on two year deal and has never featured in a full game.ElAbd was allowed to leave without any replacement.
Rodriguez was signed till season end but never featured in a full match.
Hoskins apparently now fit,has never featured.
The only decent signing,again my opinion only,was Dale Stephens.
I cannot believe this activity was initiated by OG.
Money from Barnes,El Abd and Bridcutt never spent,presumably assisting FFP rules.
The club is being controlled by boardroom and not the actaul playing staff,so you can see why OG wants out.
Cannot fault TB and I am sure he will get this sorted but it really is an unhappy state of affairs to be going through all this again. Most of team out of contract at the same time,possibly no head coach and team rebuild necessary,back to square one.
Season ticket holders are watching events very closely.
I really hope we get M.M. but he would have to be given a free hand if he came here. We would then see good attacking football rather than this Continental ponderous stuff.
Btw I think you overlooked Ward who, although a loan, is a good signing and been a success....in my view.
Hasn't the club, like the likes of Swansea, purposely given us an identity by hiring Managers/Coaches that will play a certain way? A good philosophy in my book.

I'm not sure Mr Mackay fits in with that. Surely it would be a bit embarrassing to suddenly say "Actually, we aren't good enough to do it that way" and give up on it?! Would be a weak decision for me and make us merge into insignificance with lots of the other Championship teams.

Stick to our philosophy and back the Coach that can get us there doing it our way!
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: There have been strong rumours in the past week regarding Malkay McKay and he has just suddenly stopped his legal action against Cardiff. In my opinion this year has been a disaster for player activity,OG has done a good job under almost impossible conditions and poor transfer activity.Lets look at what has happened. It was known Barnes was not going to sign a contract extension at the start of the season and he was allowed to leave with no replacement. We had the farcical situations with Lita and Obita. Grabban was announced as coming then didn't. Augustien was signed and on two year deal and has never featured in a full game.ElAbd was allowed to leave without any replacement. Rodriguez was signed till season end but never featured in a full match. Hoskins apparently now fit,has never featured. The only decent signing,again my opinion only,was Dale Stephens. I cannot believe this activity was initiated by OG. Money from Barnes,El Abd and Bridcutt never spent,presumably assisting FFP rules. The club is being controlled by boardroom and not the actaul playing staff,so you can see why OG wants out. Cannot fault TB and I am sure he will get this sorted but it really is an unhappy state of affairs to be going through all this again. Most of team out of contract at the same time,possibly no head coach and team rebuild necessary,back to square one. Season ticket holders are watching events very closely.[/p][/quote]I really hope we get M.M. but he would have to be given a free hand if he came here. We would then see good attacking football rather than this Continental ponderous stuff. Btw I think you overlooked Ward who, although a loan, is a good signing and been a success....in my view.[/p][/quote]Hasn't the club, like the likes of Swansea, purposely given us an identity by hiring Managers/Coaches that will play a certain way? A good philosophy in my book. I'm not sure Mr Mackay fits in with that. Surely it would be a bit embarrassing to suddenly say "Actually, we aren't good enough to do it that way" and give up on it?! Would be a weak decision for me and make us merge into insignificance with lots of the other Championship teams. Stick to our philosophy and back the Coach that can get us there doing it our way! WestStander17
  • Score: 7

10:38am Mon 12 May 14

wiseman of hove says...

Claude Back wrote:
Neville wrote:
There have been strong rumours in the past week regarding Malkay McKay and he has just suddenly stopped his legal action against Cardiff.
In my opinion this year has been a disaster for player activity,OG has done a good job under almost impossible conditions and poor transfer activity.Lets look at what has happened.
It was known Barnes was not going to sign a contract extension at the start of the season and he was allowed to leave with no replacement.
We had the farcical situations with Lita and Obita. Grabban was announced as coming then didn't. Augustien was signed and on two year deal and has never featured in a full game.ElAbd was allowed to leave without any replacement.
Rodriguez was signed till season end but never featured in a full match.
Hoskins apparently now fit,has never featured.
The only decent signing,again my opinion only,was Dale Stephens.
I cannot believe this activity was initiated by OG.
Money from Barnes,El Abd and Bridcutt never spent,presumably assisting FFP rules.
The club is being controlled by boardroom and not the actaul playing staff,so you can see why OG wants out.
Cannot fault TB and I am sure he will get this sorted but it really is an unhappy state of affairs to be going through all this again. Most of team out of contract at the same time,possibly no head coach and team rebuild necessary,back to square one.
Season ticket holders are watching events very closely.
I really hope we get M.M. but he would have to be given a free hand if he came here. We would then see good attacking football rather than this Continental ponderous stuff.
Btw I think you overlooked Ward who, although a loan, is a good signing and been a success....in my view.
Yes, Ward and Stephens good signings. The current situation instinctively tells me that a parting of the ways with Oscar is imminent. if that comes to pass, I have no doubts whatsoever that it will be Mackay or Sherwood. Mackay would be perfect.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: There have been strong rumours in the past week regarding Malkay McKay and he has just suddenly stopped his legal action against Cardiff. In my opinion this year has been a disaster for player activity,OG has done a good job under almost impossible conditions and poor transfer activity.Lets look at what has happened. It was known Barnes was not going to sign a contract extension at the start of the season and he was allowed to leave with no replacement. We had the farcical situations with Lita and Obita. Grabban was announced as coming then didn't. Augustien was signed and on two year deal and has never featured in a full game.ElAbd was allowed to leave without any replacement. Rodriguez was signed till season end but never featured in a full match. Hoskins apparently now fit,has never featured. The only decent signing,again my opinion only,was Dale Stephens. I cannot believe this activity was initiated by OG. Money from Barnes,El Abd and Bridcutt never spent,presumably assisting FFP rules. The club is being controlled by boardroom and not the actaul playing staff,so you can see why OG wants out. Cannot fault TB and I am sure he will get this sorted but it really is an unhappy state of affairs to be going through all this again. Most of team out of contract at the same time,possibly no head coach and team rebuild necessary,back to square one. Season ticket holders are watching events very closely.[/p][/quote]I really hope we get M.M. but he would have to be given a free hand if he came here. We would then see good attacking football rather than this Continental ponderous stuff. Btw I think you overlooked Ward who, although a loan, is a good signing and been a success....in my view.[/p][/quote]Yes, Ward and Stephens good signings. The current situation instinctively tells me that a parting of the ways with Oscar is imminent. if that comes to pass, I have no doubts whatsoever that it will be Mackay or Sherwood. Mackay would be perfect. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 8

10:45am Mon 12 May 14

Piglet1 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Clean Sheet wrote:
Immediately post a poor result, emotions are high, and the Argus is looking for a story. If, as they say, OG has not met any of the Board, then who did he offer to resign to? Naylor? For those who think selling El Abd was wrong, he could not get into the Bristol City side. Yes, he was a great and willing servant for Brighton, but not a Champ level footballer. We need a period of calm reflection, then kick on to accumulate the sqad for a serious push next season. I am very confident that OG will remain, as he achieved Tony Blooms target, reaching the Play Offs. Derby deserved to beat us, not just for their better football over the 2 matches, but their performance over the season. We need to take a reality check now and again. We have come an incredibly long way in a short time, and will continue to build with our new academy. We have some good youngsters starting to come through, and the spine of a decent team if we can keep TK and MU for another season.
Elabd was a decent back up centre half , not championship quality, but ahead of dunk for last few years, what that says about Dunk I don't know, but from yesterday's performance he should be on his way to bristol city..
Selling him is fine if you have a player to replace him.
We sold Barnes because we refused to pay him championship money, ..
And in the long run it costs more .. We gave Hoskins a years wages for what exact reason ? Can't get into the 18 man squad.
Then yesterday augustin turns up! Was that for the beers on the coach back ?
Sorry TB but you need to back your coach / manager.. The suits have a job, but not run in the team.
You continually spout forth statements as though they were facts. The fact is most of them are probably wrong and you have no idea, just like the rest of us. Why not think before you type and just quote things that are and can be verified before making pronouncements like a king from on high.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: Immediately post a poor result, emotions are high, and the Argus is looking for a story. If, as they say, OG has not met any of the Board, then who did he offer to resign to? Naylor? For those who think selling El Abd was wrong, he could not get into the Bristol City side. Yes, he was a great and willing servant for Brighton, but not a Champ level footballer. We need a period of calm reflection, then kick on to accumulate the sqad for a serious push next season. I am very confident that OG will remain, as he achieved Tony Blooms target, reaching the Play Offs. Derby deserved to beat us, not just for their better football over the 2 matches, but their performance over the season. We need to take a reality check now and again. We have come an incredibly long way in a short time, and will continue to build with our new academy. We have some good youngsters starting to come through, and the spine of a decent team if we can keep TK and MU for another season.[/p][/quote]Elabd was a decent back up centre half , not championship quality, but ahead of dunk for last few years, what that says about Dunk I don't know, but from yesterday's performance he should be on his way to bristol city.. Selling him is fine if you have a player to replace him. We sold Barnes because we refused to pay him championship money, .. And in the long run it costs more .. We gave Hoskins a years wages for what exact reason ? Can't get into the 18 man squad. Then yesterday augustin turns up! Was that for the beers on the coach back ? Sorry TB but you need to back your coach / manager.. The suits have a job, but not run in the team.[/p][/quote]You continually spout forth statements as though they were facts. The fact is most of them are probably wrong and you have no idea, just like the rest of us. Why not think before you type and just quote things that are and can be verified before making pronouncements like a king from on high. Piglet1
  • Score: 7

10:49am Mon 12 May 14

pte says...

One thing is clear: you don't offer your resignation unless you are unhappy and desperate to get away. OG got us in the play-offs by the skin of our teeth so if he walks away now his reputation is intact. Why would he risk staying for the inevitable decline?

4-1 defeat was a blessing in disguise as the club can't hide behind any of it's usual BS. However, my guess will be that the new mantra will be "consolidation" rather than play-offs with the offer of jam tomorrow when the development squad matures. That allows the club to get by on mediocre signings.

Squad light in defence, light in midfield and light up front. Gus said the squad was light last season but this season it was even lighter.
One thing is clear: you don't offer your resignation unless you are unhappy and desperate to get away. OG got us in the play-offs by the skin of our teeth so if he walks away now his reputation is intact. Why would he risk staying for the inevitable decline? 4-1 defeat was a blessing in disguise as the club can't hide behind any of it's usual BS. However, my guess will be that the new mantra will be "consolidation" rather than play-offs with the offer of jam tomorrow when the development squad matures. That allows the club to get by on mediocre signings. Squad light in defence, light in midfield and light up front. Gus said the squad was light last season but this season it was even lighter. pte
  • Score: 5

11:06am Mon 12 May 14

goldstonefan says...

Why so much bitterness about finishing 6th in the Championship? Is it really so great to be another Norwich or Reading, because be in no doubt, fighting off relegation or at best a mid table position for a year or two is all that is on offer. There would be no place in the top 6 available in the Premiership!

As for people who call for Tony Bloom to put his hand in his pocket, he has invested something like £130 million of his own money in the infrastructure, and unlike overseas owners who come and go, he is a genuine fan, just like the rest of the Bloom family for the past three generations. We can all sit back and enjoy what we get at his expense, which includes covering an overspend on wages and other expenses of for example, £14 million last year and a suggested £8 million this.

As for wanting to see OG go, well the same people would want to see the back of Arsene Wenger at Arsenal. Grow up, OG is a man of pedigree who if given the time will do great things for the Albion. Some seem to have forgotten that GP did what he could to make the appointment of his replacement difficult, and OG was left with no time to build a squad with anything but loan signings.

Some of us had to support the team in the 4th division - be grateful for where are and where we can go with TB's fantastic support, and look forward to a future with a set up that could at last be the place the top players will want to come to. And stop the moaning!
Why so much bitterness about finishing 6th in the Championship? Is it really so great to be another Norwich or Reading, because be in no doubt, fighting off relegation or at best a mid table position for a year or two is all that is on offer. There would be no place in the top 6 available in the Premiership! As for people who call for Tony Bloom to put his hand in his pocket, he has invested something like £130 million of his own money in the infrastructure, and unlike overseas owners who come and go, he is a genuine fan, just like the rest of the Bloom family for the past three generations. We can all sit back and enjoy what we get at his expense, which includes covering an overspend on wages and other expenses of for example, £14 million last year and a suggested £8 million this. As for wanting to see OG go, well the same people would want to see the back of Arsene Wenger at Arsenal. Grow up, OG is a man of pedigree who if given the time will do great things for the Albion. Some seem to have forgotten that GP did what he could to make the appointment of his replacement difficult, and OG was left with no time to build a squad with anything but loan signings. Some of us had to support the team in the 4th division - be grateful for where are and where we can go with TB's fantastic support, and look forward to a future with a set up that could at last be the place the top players will want to come to. And stop the moaning! goldstonefan
  • Score: 18

11:09am Mon 12 May 14

Claude Back says...

WestStander17 wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
Neville wrote:
There have been strong rumours in the past week regarding Malkay McKay and he has just suddenly stopped his legal action against Cardiff.
In my opinion this year has been a disaster for player activity,OG has done a good job under almost impossible conditions and poor transfer activity.Lets look at what has happened.
It was known Barnes was not going to sign a contract extension at the start of the season and he was allowed to leave with no replacement.
We had the farcical situations with Lita and Obita. Grabban was announced as coming then didn't. Augustien was signed and on two year deal and has never featured in a full game.ElAbd was allowed to leave without any replacement.
Rodriguez was signed till season end but never featured in a full match.
Hoskins apparently now fit,has never featured.
The only decent signing,again my opinion only,was Dale Stephens.
I cannot believe this activity was initiated by OG.
Money from Barnes,El Abd and Bridcutt never spent,presumably assisting FFP rules.
The club is being controlled by boardroom and not the actaul playing staff,so you can see why OG wants out.
Cannot fault TB and I am sure he will get this sorted but it really is an unhappy state of affairs to be going through all this again. Most of team out of contract at the same time,possibly no head coach and team rebuild necessary,back to square one.
Season ticket holders are watching events very closely.
I really hope we get M.M. but he would have to be given a free hand if he came here. We would then see good attacking football rather than this Continental ponderous stuff.
Btw I think you overlooked Ward who, although a loan, is a good signing and been a success....in my view.
Hasn't the club, like the likes of Swansea, purposely given us an identity by hiring Managers/Coaches that will play a certain way? A good philosophy in my book.

I'm not sure Mr Mackay fits in with that. Surely it would be a bit embarrassing to suddenly say "Actually, we aren't good enough to do it that way" and give up on it?! Would be a weak decision for me and make us merge into insignificance with lots of the other Championship teams.

Stick to our philosophy and back the Coach that can get us there doing it our way!
Chacun a son gout. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: There have been strong rumours in the past week regarding Malkay McKay and he has just suddenly stopped his legal action against Cardiff. In my opinion this year has been a disaster for player activity,OG has done a good job under almost impossible conditions and poor transfer activity.Lets look at what has happened. It was known Barnes was not going to sign a contract extension at the start of the season and he was allowed to leave with no replacement. We had the farcical situations with Lita and Obita. Grabban was announced as coming then didn't. Augustien was signed and on two year deal and has never featured in a full game.ElAbd was allowed to leave without any replacement. Rodriguez was signed till season end but never featured in a full match. Hoskins apparently now fit,has never featured. The only decent signing,again my opinion only,was Dale Stephens. I cannot believe this activity was initiated by OG. Money from Barnes,El Abd and Bridcutt never spent,presumably assisting FFP rules. The club is being controlled by boardroom and not the actaul playing staff,so you can see why OG wants out. Cannot fault TB and I am sure he will get this sorted but it really is an unhappy state of affairs to be going through all this again. Most of team out of contract at the same time,possibly no head coach and team rebuild necessary,back to square one. Season ticket holders are watching events very closely.[/p][/quote]I really hope we get M.M. but he would have to be given a free hand if he came here. We would then see good attacking football rather than this Continental ponderous stuff. Btw I think you overlooked Ward who, although a loan, is a good signing and been a success....in my view.[/p][/quote]Hasn't the club, like the likes of Swansea, purposely given us an identity by hiring Managers/Coaches that will play a certain way? A good philosophy in my book. I'm not sure Mr Mackay fits in with that. Surely it would be a bit embarrassing to suddenly say "Actually, we aren't good enough to do it that way" and give up on it?! Would be a weak decision for me and make us merge into insignificance with lots of the other Championship teams. Stick to our philosophy and back the Coach that can get us there doing it our way![/p][/quote]Chacun a son gout. ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: 3

11:23am Mon 12 May 14

barnieb says...

The last time Brighton were in the top flight,I was in my 20's I am now pushing 60.I really have had enough of the lack of ambition of this potentially huge club.Very seriously considering chucking in Season ticket and concentrating on gardening.I just cannot take another year of disappointment and play-offs.
The last time Brighton were in the top flight,I was in my 20's I am now pushing 60.I really have had enough of the lack of ambition of this potentially huge club.Very seriously considering chucking in Season ticket and concentrating on gardening.I just cannot take another year of disappointment and play-offs. barnieb
  • Score: -11

11:24am Mon 12 May 14

Claude Back says...

goldstonefan wrote:
Why so much bitterness about finishing 6th in the Championship? Is it really so great to be another Norwich or Reading, because be in no doubt, fighting off relegation or at best a mid table position for a year or two is all that is on offer. There would be no place in the top 6 available in the Premiership!

As for people who call for Tony Bloom to put his hand in his pocket, he has invested something like £130 million of his own money in the infrastructure, and unlike overseas owners who come and go, he is a genuine fan, just like the rest of the Bloom family for the past three generations. We can all sit back and enjoy what we get at his expense, which includes covering an overspend on wages and other expenses of for example, £14 million last year and a suggested £8 million this.

As for wanting to see OG go, well the same people would want to see the back of Arsene Wenger at Arsenal. Grow up, OG is a man of pedigree who if given the time will do great things for the Albion. Some seem to have forgotten that GP did what he could to make the appointment of his replacement difficult, and OG was left with no time to build a squad with anything but loan signings.

Some of us had to support the team in the 4th division - be grateful for where are and where we can go with TB's fantastic support, and look forward to a future with a set up that could at last be the place the top players will want to come to. And stop the moaning!
I also have supported the Albion since far off days. Additionally, I believe Wenger to be a fabulous manager who transformed English Football and that he knows the right way to run a club and play football.
Therefore, do I really need to 'Grow up'?
Also, you have, my friend, by means of ingenious ellipsis made excuses for O.G. and refer to a pedigree he certainly does not have as a manager.He won a title in Israel but on the back of someone else's squad! Just like here; all he had to do was pick the team. Anyone can do that which is why he provokes criticism from some of us.
Yes, our final position is pretty good but the lingering doubt is that it could have been so much better.
[quote][p][bold]goldstonefan[/bold] wrote: Why so much bitterness about finishing 6th in the Championship? Is it really so great to be another Norwich or Reading, because be in no doubt, fighting off relegation or at best a mid table position for a year or two is all that is on offer. There would be no place in the top 6 available in the Premiership! As for people who call for Tony Bloom to put his hand in his pocket, he has invested something like £130 million of his own money in the infrastructure, and unlike overseas owners who come and go, he is a genuine fan, just like the rest of the Bloom family for the past three generations. We can all sit back and enjoy what we get at his expense, which includes covering an overspend on wages and other expenses of for example, £14 million last year and a suggested £8 million this. As for wanting to see OG go, well the same people would want to see the back of Arsene Wenger at Arsenal. Grow up, OG is a man of pedigree who if given the time will do great things for the Albion. Some seem to have forgotten that GP did what he could to make the appointment of his replacement difficult, and OG was left with no time to build a squad with anything but loan signings. Some of us had to support the team in the 4th division - be grateful for where are and where we can go with TB's fantastic support, and look forward to a future with a set up that could at last be the place the top players will want to come to. And stop the moaning![/p][/quote]I also have supported the Albion since far off days. Additionally, I believe Wenger to be a fabulous manager who transformed English Football and that he knows the right way to run a club and play football. Therefore, do I really need to 'Grow up'? Also, you have, my friend, by means of ingenious ellipsis made excuses for O.G. and refer to a pedigree he certainly does not have as a manager.He won a title in Israel but on the back of someone else's squad! Just like here; all he had to do was pick the team. Anyone can do that which is why he provokes criticism from some of us. Yes, our final position is pretty good but the lingering doubt is that it could have been so much better. Claude Back
  • Score: -1

11:35am Mon 12 May 14

WestStander17 says...

Oui!

I just think of all those teams that play the same English way. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose, without any real pattern to it. You can watch the Football League Show for that! I am bracing myself for 3 games of that in June, I'd like to come back in August knowing my team will be trying (and often succeeding) to control each and every game.
Oui! I just think of all those teams that play the same English way. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose, without any real pattern to it. You can watch the Football League Show for that! I am bracing myself for 3 games of that in June, I'd like to come back in August knowing my team will be trying (and often succeeding) to control each and every game. WestStander17
  • Score: 8

11:46am Mon 12 May 14

ballantrrae says...

Alfie T wrote:
Tony Bloom has some decisions to make, both Gus and now Oscar unhappy with off pitch dealings.One thing is certain, Oscar will conduct himself with quiet dignity, if he stays or goes there will be no slating of our football club.
Good point Alfie T regarding two Managers reacting over the same issue but in very different ways. A certain quotation from another Oscar (Wilde) comes to mind - Lady Bracknell's about losing two parents in the Importance of Being Earnest.
A number of posters (myself included) have questioned how effective DB is as Head of Football Operations in delivering what our Managers/Head Coaches require. Something does not seem to be working in this respect and TB needs to examine this urgently and decide whether the problem lies with the structure or with the individual concerned ie DB.
This is too important an issue to be neglected and if we are to be 'Premier :League Ready' has to be addressed ASAP so that we do not suffer the same hiatus this Summer that we did last.
Whether Oscar is persuaded to stay or someone else (Moyes, Sherwood Mackay etc) takes over as Manager we need that person to be on board or confirmed in Oscar's case rapidly so they can restructure the squad given the large number of players out of contract or returning to their parent clubs.
There is one X factor floating around and that is the question of FFP. Whilst we seem to be keeping in line with the regulations others are not but unfortunately the imposing of any sanctions on clubs breaking the rules is unlikely before the summer transfer window has closed. This will probably affect our ability to recruit potential new signings. The decision therefore from UEFA re Manchester City and the potential imposing of the reported £50 million fine is of paramount importance in indicating whether FFP is likely to have any teeth.
Important decisions therefore need to be made promptly by TB, by Oscar and by UEFA.
Interesting but potentially worrying times. Whatever happens as far as the Albion is concerned I have confidence that TB will continue to move the club forward and I look forward to supporting the club next season.
Finally regardless of whether Oscar stays or departs he has achieved much in steering us to the play-offs.
UTA.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: Tony Bloom has some decisions to make, both Gus and now Oscar unhappy with off pitch dealings.One thing is certain, Oscar will conduct himself with quiet dignity, if he stays or goes there will be no slating of our football club.[/p][/quote]Good point Alfie T regarding two Managers reacting over the same issue but in very different ways. A certain quotation from another Oscar (Wilde) comes to mind - Lady Bracknell's about losing two parents in the Importance of Being Earnest. A number of posters (myself included) have questioned how effective DB is as Head of Football Operations in delivering what our Managers/Head Coaches require. Something does not seem to be working in this respect and TB needs to examine this urgently and decide whether the problem lies with the structure or with the individual concerned ie DB. This is too important an issue to be neglected and if we are to be 'Premier :League Ready' has to be addressed ASAP so that we do not suffer the same hiatus this Summer that we did last. Whether Oscar is persuaded to stay or someone else (Moyes, Sherwood Mackay etc) takes over as Manager we need that person to be on board or confirmed in Oscar's case rapidly so they can restructure the squad given the large number of players out of contract or returning to their parent clubs. There is one X factor floating around and that is the question of FFP. Whilst we seem to be keeping in line with the regulations others are not but unfortunately the imposing of any sanctions on clubs breaking the rules is unlikely before the summer transfer window has closed. This will probably affect our ability to recruit potential new signings. The decision therefore from UEFA re Manchester City and the potential imposing of the reported £50 million fine is of paramount importance in indicating whether FFP is likely to have any teeth. Important decisions therefore need to be made promptly by TB, by Oscar and by UEFA. Interesting but potentially worrying times. Whatever happens as far as the Albion is concerned I have confidence that TB will continue to move the club forward and I look forward to supporting the club next season. Finally regardless of whether Oscar stays or departs he has achieved much in steering us to the play-offs. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 8

11:47am Mon 12 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Just read this article once more and it would be great to know that one item was incorrect.... Andy Naylor reports that Oscar had no contact with ANY BOARD MEMBER following yesterday's defeat. If that is true it is a disgrace and dereliction of duty.

Every Board Member who was at the game should have made time to express their gratitude and commiserations and encouragement to forget the defeat and focus on the achievements of this season to Oscar and the team after the game. That's what happens with clubs who are united.!
Just read this article once more and it would be great to know that one item was incorrect.... Andy Naylor reports that Oscar had no contact with ANY BOARD MEMBER following yesterday's defeat. If that is true it is a disgrace and dereliction of duty. Every Board Member who was at the game should have made time to express their gratitude and commiserations and encouragement to forget the defeat and focus on the achievements of this season to Oscar and the team after the game. That's what happens with clubs who are united.! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 9

11:49am Mon 12 May 14

brighton1980 says...

Shame we lost but we shouldn't have been in the play offs anyway so can't grumble. Hope Oscar stays. I like his song. On a less cheerful note, I won't be bothering with this site anymore. Bored to death of Freeloading Money. Appreciate I am just a brain dead, sad little man with no real friends and no brain who is 100% wrong the whole time as well as being Dunk's Dad, brother and son, but after 2 years of it I've realised there's better things to do with my limited time on this planet. On that note, here's to next season, see you at the AMEX in August true fans. To all the trolls, North Stand G, row O, seat 407 is where I sit. Get out from behind your keyboards and come say hello. Would love to meet you all... UTA
Shame we lost but we shouldn't have been in the play offs anyway so can't grumble. Hope Oscar stays. I like his song. On a less cheerful note, I won't be bothering with this site anymore. Bored to death of Freeloading Money. Appreciate I am just a brain dead, sad little man with no real friends and no brain who is 100% wrong the whole time as well as being Dunk's Dad, brother and son, but after 2 years of it I've realised there's better things to do with my limited time on this planet. On that note, here's to next season, see you at the AMEX in August true fans. To all the trolls, North Stand G, row O, seat 407 is where I sit. Get out from behind your keyboards and come say hello. Would love to meet you all... UTA brighton1980
  • Score: 21

12:05pm Mon 12 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Just read this article once more and it would be great to know that one item was incorrect.... Andy Naylor reports that Oscar had no contact with ANY BOARD MEMBER following yesterday's defeat. If that is true it is a disgrace and dereliction of duty.

Every Board Member who was at the game should have made time to express their gratitude and commiserations and encouragement to forget the defeat and focus on the achievements of this season to Oscar and the team after the game. That's what happens with clubs who are united.!
Very good point.
It was probably the club's way of trying to play down the resignation line without thinking of the consequence. How can he possibly have offered his resignation if he didn't speak to anyone?
But to expect that the Chairman, who was plainly seen sitting in the stands on TV, wouldn't have some level of interaction with his coach and/or the squad, to effect commiseration at the end of a long season, is asking a bit much...
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: Just read this article once more and it would be great to know that one item was incorrect.... Andy Naylor reports that Oscar had no contact with ANY BOARD MEMBER following yesterday's defeat. If that is true it is a disgrace and dereliction of duty. Every Board Member who was at the game should have made time to express their gratitude and commiserations and encouragement to forget the defeat and focus on the achievements of this season to Oscar and the team after the game. That's what happens with clubs who are united.![/p][/quote]Very good point. It was probably the club's way of trying to play down the resignation line without thinking of the consequence. How can he possibly have offered his resignation if he didn't speak to anyone? But to expect that the Chairman, who was plainly seen sitting in the stands on TV, wouldn't have some level of interaction with his coach and/or the squad, to effect commiseration at the end of a long season, is asking a bit much... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 3

12:14pm Mon 12 May 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

brighton1980 wrote:
Shame we lost but we shouldn't have been in the play offs anyway so can't grumble. Hope Oscar stays. I like his song. On a less cheerful note, I won't be bothering with this site anymore. Bored to death of Freeloading Money. Appreciate I am just a brain dead, sad little man with no real friends and no brain who is 100% wrong the whole time as well as being Dunk's Dad, brother and son, but after 2 years of it I've realised there's better things to do with my limited time on this planet. On that note, here's to next season, see you at the AMEX in August true fans. To all the trolls, North Stand G, row O, seat 407 is where I sit. Get out from behind your keyboards and come say hello. Would love to meet you all... UTA
On a similar note, I am ashamed to say that earlier on I rose to Free money's lure and entered into a debate about whether he should be allowed to make what were clearly libellous comments about the Dunk family and about his "style" of debate. The Argus have now, quite rightly, deleted the offending entries made by both of us.

I would like to apologise sincerely to all Albion's real fans, and the Argus editorial staff, for allowing myself to join in such a debate. It won't happen again.

UTA
[quote][p][bold]brighton1980[/bold] wrote: Shame we lost but we shouldn't have been in the play offs anyway so can't grumble. Hope Oscar stays. I like his song. On a less cheerful note, I won't be bothering with this site anymore. Bored to death of Freeloading Money. Appreciate I am just a brain dead, sad little man with no real friends and no brain who is 100% wrong the whole time as well as being Dunk's Dad, brother and son, but after 2 years of it I've realised there's better things to do with my limited time on this planet. On that note, here's to next season, see you at the AMEX in August true fans. To all the trolls, North Stand G, row O, seat 407 is where I sit. Get out from behind your keyboards and come say hello. Would love to meet you all... UTA[/p][/quote]On a similar note, I am ashamed to say that earlier on I rose to Free money's lure and entered into a debate about whether he should be allowed to make what were clearly libellous comments about the Dunk family and about his "style" of debate. The Argus have now, quite rightly, deleted the offending entries made by both of us. I would like to apologise sincerely to all Albion's real fans, and the Argus editorial staff, for allowing myself to join in such a debate. It won't happen again. UTA Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 10

12:27pm Mon 12 May 14

WestStander17 says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Just read this article once more and it would be great to know that one item was incorrect.... Andy Naylor reports that Oscar had no contact with ANY BOARD MEMBER following yesterday's defeat. If that is true it is a disgrace and dereliction of duty.

Every Board Member who was at the game should have made time to express their gratitude and commiserations and encouragement to forget the defeat and focus on the achievements of this season to Oscar and the team after the game. That's what happens with clubs who are united.!
Very good point.
It was probably the club's way of trying to play down the resignation line without thinking of the consequence. How can he possibly have offered his resignation if he didn't speak to anyone?
But to expect that the Chairman, who was plainly seen sitting in the stands on TV, wouldn't have some level of interaction with his coach and/or the squad, to effect commiseration at the end of a long season, is asking a bit much...
I was watching on TV but I don't think I saw the Chairman. There were 2 guys sitting in front of Steve McLaren but Mr Bloom wasn't one of them, was he?!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: Just read this article once more and it would be great to know that one item was incorrect.... Andy Naylor reports that Oscar had no contact with ANY BOARD MEMBER following yesterday's defeat. If that is true it is a disgrace and dereliction of duty. Every Board Member who was at the game should have made time to express their gratitude and commiserations and encouragement to forget the defeat and focus on the achievements of this season to Oscar and the team after the game. That's what happens with clubs who are united.![/p][/quote]Very good point. It was probably the club's way of trying to play down the resignation line without thinking of the consequence. How can he possibly have offered his resignation if he didn't speak to anyone? But to expect that the Chairman, who was plainly seen sitting in the stands on TV, wouldn't have some level of interaction with his coach and/or the squad, to effect commiseration at the end of a long season, is asking a bit much...[/p][/quote]I was watching on TV but I don't think I saw the Chairman. There were 2 guys sitting in front of Steve McLaren but Mr Bloom wasn't one of them, was he?! WestStander17
  • Score: 2

12:35pm Mon 12 May 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

brighton1980 wrote:
Shame we lost but we shouldn't have been in the play offs anyway so can't grumble. Hope Oscar stays. I like his song. On a less cheerful note, I won't be bothering with this site anymore. Bored to death of Freeloading Money. Appreciate I am just a brain dead, sad little man with no real friends and no brain who is 100% wrong the whole time as well as being Dunk's Dad, brother and son, but after 2 years of it I've realised there's better things to do with my limited time on this planet. On that note, here's to next season, see you at the AMEX in August true fans. To all the trolls, North Stand G, row O, seat 407 is where I sit. Get out from behind your keyboards and come say hello. Would love to meet you all... UTA
Outstanding post my friend. 100% right yet again. Hehe lol
;-)
[quote][p][bold]brighton1980[/bold] wrote: Shame we lost but we shouldn't have been in the play offs anyway so can't grumble. Hope Oscar stays. I like his song. On a less cheerful note, I won't be bothering with this site anymore. Bored to death of Freeloading Money. Appreciate I am just a brain dead, sad little man with no real friends and no brain who is 100% wrong the whole time as well as being Dunk's Dad, brother and son, but after 2 years of it I've realised there's better things to do with my limited time on this planet. On that note, here's to next season, see you at the AMEX in August true fans. To all the trolls, North Stand G, row O, seat 407 is where I sit. Get out from behind your keyboards and come say hello. Would love to meet you all... UTA[/p][/quote]Outstanding post my friend. 100% right yet again. Hehe lol ;-) Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 11

12:35pm Mon 12 May 14

Quiterie says...

I can't believe that people are having a go at Tony Bloom.

Our losses for the for 2012-13 season were £14.7m

Bloom has provided interest-free funding to build the Amex and the new training ground and he has also covered the club's losses to date and is committed to funding future losses.

Of course we'd all like a better squad, but people have got to be realistic.

In terms of Oscar's budget for strengthening the squad which seems to be one of his grievances, presumably this was made clear to him when he took the job (and the fact that we were going to try and adhere to the Financial Fair Play rules).

Oscar strikes me as a good manager, but let's be clear, if he does leave there will be a very high calibre list of applicants to replace him.
I can't believe that people are having a go at Tony Bloom. Our losses for the for 2012-13 season were £14.7m Bloom has provided interest-free funding to build the Amex and the new training ground and he has also covered the club's losses to date and is committed to funding future losses. Of course we'd all like a better squad, but people have got to be realistic. In terms of Oscar's budget for strengthening the squad which seems to be one of his grievances, presumably this was made clear to him when he took the job (and the fact that we were going to try and adhere to the Financial Fair Play rules). Oscar strikes me as a good manager, but let's be clear, if he does leave there will be a very high calibre list of applicants to replace him. Quiterie
  • Score: 11

12:38pm Mon 12 May 14

Justin says...

I don't find myself agreeing with hardly any of the comments above.

Brighton's problem is the same one facing all clubs working to FFP in that they are competing against a lot of clubs who are ignoring FFP in the hope they'll get away with it one way or the other. But FFP is the only sensible way forward and in the long term it will mean a more sensible business approach to football.

That means the old way where the manager buys the players he wants has to go because that means every managerial change you have very high turnover of players which is expensive because it usually involves selling players for less than they are worth and buying new ones for more.

I think the club are taking the right long term approach. I really hope Oscar stays but if he doesn't I back the board to get the right person in.

Finally, all those saying the board should spend more on players should recognise that the club's current losses are funded by Tony Bloom and no one donating to the club less than than the £15M p.a. losses Tony funds has any right to demand he puts in more.
I don't find myself agreeing with hardly any of the comments above. Brighton's problem is the same one facing all clubs working to FFP in that they are competing against a lot of clubs who are ignoring FFP in the hope they'll get away with it one way or the other. But FFP is the only sensible way forward and in the long term it will mean a more sensible business approach to football. That means the old way where the manager buys the players he wants has to go because that means every managerial change you have very high turnover of players which is expensive because it usually involves selling players for less than they are worth and buying new ones for more. I think the club are taking the right long term approach. I really hope Oscar stays but if he doesn't I back the board to get the right person in. Finally, all those saying the board should spend more on players should recognise that the club's current losses are funded by Tony Bloom and no one donating to the club less than than the £15M p.a. losses Tony funds has any right to demand he puts in more. Justin
  • Score: 13

1:05pm Mon 12 May 14

rolivan says...

If you think it is going to be easy to get Promotion think again . If Derby get promoted then no club that got relegated is going back up . So as well as them still receiving parachute payments there will be Norwich Fulham and Cardiff who will be getting over £60m each in "prizemoney" plus parachute payments plus a few others from previous years . This FFP could end up being a farce especially as some clubs want the rules changed already . As somebody already said it will be interesting to see if Man City agree to pay £50m . The Clubs that do not adhere to FFP should have points deducted first and foremost.£50m to the owners of Man City is probably a days revenue at the Petrol Pumps
If you think it is going to be easy to get Promotion think again . If Derby get promoted then no club that got relegated is going back up . So as well as them still receiving parachute payments there will be Norwich Fulham and Cardiff who will be getting over £60m each in "prizemoney" plus parachute payments plus a few others from previous years . This FFP could end up being a farce especially as some clubs want the rules changed already . As somebody already said it will be interesting to see if Man City agree to pay £50m . The Clubs that do not adhere to FFP should have points deducted first and foremost.£50m to the owners of Man City is probably a days revenue at the Petrol Pumps rolivan
  • Score: 3

1:15pm Mon 12 May 14

sussexram40 says...

My vote goes to Malky McKay who is now available and had experience of getting promoted.
Malky for the Albion.
My vote goes to Malky McKay who is now available and had experience of getting promoted. Malky for the Albion. sussexram40
  • Score: 1

1:16pm Mon 12 May 14

Seagulls High says...

Oscar has been a good manager with the resources he had. Albion has stuck to the letter of the law to FFP Financial Fair Play regulations unlike other Championship Clubs. To finish in the play offs and to challenge for promotion in Oscars first season with the club was a major achievement. To be realistic Albion had many injuries at the start of the season CMS, Orlandi, Crofts, Buckley and Hoskins. . It was Oscar's ability to bring in Loan players such as Ward, Andrews and Lingard and others that enabled Albion to finish in a play off place.
Oscar has been a good manager with the resources he had. Albion has stuck to the letter of the law to FFP Financial Fair Play regulations unlike other Championship Clubs. To finish in the play offs and to challenge for promotion in Oscars first season with the club was a major achievement. To be realistic Albion had many injuries at the start of the season CMS, Orlandi, Crofts, Buckley and Hoskins. . It was Oscar's ability to bring in Loan players such as Ward, Andrews and Lingard and others that enabled Albion to finish in a play off place. Seagulls High
  • Score: 7

1:22pm Mon 12 May 14

rolivan says...

Seagulls High wrote:
Oscar has been a good manager with the resources he had. Albion has stuck to the letter of the law to FFP Financial Fair Play regulations unlike other Championship Clubs. To finish in the play offs and to challenge for promotion in Oscars first season with the club was a major achievement. To be realistic Albion had many injuries at the start of the season CMS, Orlandi, Crofts, Buckley and Hoskins. . It was Oscar's ability to bring in Loan players such as Ward, Andrews and Lingard and others that enabled Albion to finish in a play off place.
The only problem is was it OG who brought them to the club and why about the ones that turned out to be not such a good idea
[quote][p][bold]Seagulls High[/bold] wrote: Oscar has been a good manager with the resources he had. Albion has stuck to the letter of the law to FFP Financial Fair Play regulations unlike other Championship Clubs. To finish in the play offs and to challenge for promotion in Oscars first season with the club was a major achievement. To be realistic Albion had many injuries at the start of the season CMS, Orlandi, Crofts, Buckley and Hoskins. . It was Oscar's ability to bring in Loan players such as Ward, Andrews and Lingard and others that enabled Albion to finish in a play off place.[/p][/quote]The only problem is was it OG who brought them to the club and why about the ones that turned out to be not such a good idea rolivan
  • Score: 3

1:23pm Mon 12 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Oscar may or may not go, and if he does he will be replaced, obviously, but the issues behind Oscar leaving will remain the same, his going will solve nothing.
Brighton is losing money every year, FACT.
If we continue to lose money every year we will go broke, FACT.
TB has picked up the tab as much as he can, FACT.
If our transfer spending increases above budget we go deeper into debt, FACT.
Like it or not the FFP rules exist, FACT.
As a club/business we must try to become solvent, FACT.

Some on here keep saying that we should have spent to bring palyers in, and if we end up with a new manager the budget HAS to be bigger, ok, so now please do tell, WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM?
The only person who can sign the cheques is Bloom, he is the only one with money at our club. Given all that he has done, what right do we the fans have to TELL Bloom that he should do more?
Prices are high at the Amex, can't argue against that, but do you want them to go even higher, or do you think that Bloom should just throw another bunch of millions into the kitty. Perhaps you would prefer it if we run up massive debts, so big that the only way out is for some foreign entity to step in, a plonker such as the guy at Cardiff.
It is so easy to spend other people's money for your own entertainment. Yeah we sold players and we didn't spend their collective fees, but even after those sales we will still lose a lot of money this year.

The best hope for Brighton is that more income is found outside of selling players, Barber is working well on finding new sponsorship monies, the long term program of building the hotel, and other projects, are moving ahead, what more do you expect from him?

You can not demand instant success, you can try to buy it, many clubs have over the years, but someone has to pick up the tab when the attempt fails, as so many attempts do, and right now only Bloom can. I think i a massive insult to Tony Bloom when people call for yet more from his pocket, the man has given us all that we have today.
Oscar may or may not go, and if he does he will be replaced, obviously, but the issues behind Oscar leaving will remain the same, his going will solve nothing. Brighton is losing money every year, FACT. If we continue to lose money every year we will go broke, FACT. TB has picked up the tab as much as he can, FACT. If our transfer spending increases above budget we go deeper into debt, FACT. Like it or not the FFP rules exist, FACT. As a club/business we must try to become solvent, FACT. Some on here keep saying that we should have spent to bring palyers in, and if we end up with a new manager the budget HAS to be bigger, ok, so now please do tell, WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM? The only person who can sign the cheques is Bloom, he is the only one with money at our club. Given all that he has done, what right do we the fans have to TELL Bloom that he should do more? Prices are high at the Amex, can't argue against that, but do you want them to go even higher, or do you think that Bloom should just throw another bunch of millions into the kitty. Perhaps you would prefer it if we run up massive debts, so big that the only way out is for some foreign entity to step in, a plonker such as the guy at Cardiff. It is so easy to spend other people's money for your own entertainment. Yeah we sold players and we didn't spend their collective fees, but even after those sales we will still lose a lot of money this year. The best hope for Brighton is that more income is found outside of selling players, Barber is working well on finding new sponsorship monies, the long term program of building the hotel, and other projects, are moving ahead, what more do you expect from him? You can not demand instant success, you can try to buy it, many clubs have over the years, but someone has to pick up the tab when the attempt fails, as so many attempts do, and right now only Bloom can. I think i a massive insult to Tony Bloom when people call for yet more from his pocket, the man has given us all that we have today. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 12

1:31pm Mon 12 May 14

true fan says...

My prediction at the beginning of the season with the issues we were having with GP was top 10 finish, therefore top 6 is good result overall - especially if you take into acocunt our injury woes over the season. However I am fearful for next season. OG inherited a team and therefore made the ebst of what he had IMO. The summer will be a massive indication of his intent - its my opinion he will stay and offered his resignation (if reports are true) as a knee jerk to a disappointing evening in Derby. Agree with some of the posts here, our team needs a major overhall - this is my view:

3 Goalkeepers - Keep TK (although recently i have been less than impressed)get rid of other two - we apparently have a great youngster - lets put him on the bench
Right back - Calde and Bruno to go - neither are good enough
CD - Greer to go (too old and slow), Keep Upson (if we think he can last another full season) and make him captain, keep Dunk (with game time i think he will be good (Tottenham were interested remember before the incident at Jury's)
Left Back - Sign Ward - keep Chicksen as backup
CDM/CM - Ince, Stephens and Crofts to stay - everyone else to go
AM - JFC - I would keep him - the problem with the last few games is that he has been playing the deeper role, which is really not his position and tehrefore not his fault
Wings - Cash in on Buckley (too injury prone), Keep KLL (good impact player) keep March, we also have the youngster signed - cant remember his name!
Forwards - Keep CMS - cash in on Ulloa (especially if the reported figure is £6 from Leicester) - Keep Hoskins, but only if he is fit
As you can see investment is needed to replace the mass clearout I would make. However there are some really good players being released - Chris Eagles for one!
Like I said this summer will be interesting
My prediction at the beginning of the season with the issues we were having with GP was top 10 finish, therefore top 6 is good result overall - especially if you take into acocunt our injury woes over the season. However I am fearful for next season. OG inherited a team and therefore made the ebst of what he had IMO. The summer will be a massive indication of his intent - its my opinion he will stay and offered his resignation (if reports are true) as a knee jerk to a disappointing evening in Derby. Agree with some of the posts here, our team needs a major overhall - this is my view: 3 Goalkeepers - Keep TK (although recently i have been less than impressed)get rid of other two - we apparently have a great youngster - lets put him on the bench Right back - Calde and Bruno to go - neither are good enough CD - Greer to go (too old and slow), Keep Upson (if we think he can last another full season) and make him captain, keep Dunk (with game time i think he will be good (Tottenham were interested remember before the incident at Jury's) Left Back - Sign Ward - keep Chicksen as backup CDM/CM - Ince, Stephens and Crofts to stay - everyone else to go AM - JFC - I would keep him - the problem with the last few games is that he has been playing the deeper role, which is really not his position and tehrefore not his fault Wings - Cash in on Buckley (too injury prone), Keep KLL (good impact player) keep March, we also have the youngster signed - cant remember his name! Forwards - Keep CMS - cash in on Ulloa (especially if the reported figure is £6 from Leicester) - Keep Hoskins, but only if he is fit As you can see investment is needed to replace the mass clearout I would make. However there are some really good players being released - Chris Eagles for one! Like I said this summer will be interesting true fan
  • Score: 6

1:42pm Mon 12 May 14

Neville says...

Vegas
Did you manage to check website under heading two hundred million reasons to love tony bloom,this will give you a good insight into the finances involved?
Vegas Did you manage to check website under heading two hundred million reasons to love tony bloom,this will give you a good insight into the finances involved? Neville
  • Score: 1

1:45pm Mon 12 May 14

tinker111 says...

Barry W wrote:
Surely the 4million we got for Bridcott,Barnes and El-ab is still in the kitty. We didn't sell to survive and we haven't spent it on replacements so let's have some of that for a start!
Barbers kitty
[quote][p][bold]Barry W[/bold] wrote: Surely the 4million we got for Bridcott,Barnes and El-ab is still in the kitty. We didn't sell to survive and we haven't spent it on replacements so let's have some of that for a start![/p][/quote]Barbers kitty tinker111
  • Score: -2

1:48pm Mon 12 May 14

Neville says...

West stander
No TB was not shown on tv yesterday of the two baton men in front of McLaren was another member of the Bloom family
West stander No TB was not shown on tv yesterday of the two baton men in front of McLaren was another member of the Bloom family Neville
  • Score: 0

1:50pm Mon 12 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

WestStander17 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Just read this article once more and it would be great to know that one item was incorrect.... Andy Naylor reports that Oscar had no contact with ANY BOARD MEMBER following yesterday's defeat. If that is true it is a disgrace and dereliction of duty.

Every Board Member who was at the game should have made time to express their gratitude and commiserations and encouragement to forget the defeat and focus on the achievements of this season to Oscar and the team after the game. That's what happens with clubs who are united.!
Very good point.
It was probably the club's way of trying to play down the resignation line without thinking of the consequence. How can he possibly have offered his resignation if he didn't speak to anyone?
But to expect that the Chairman, who was plainly seen sitting in the stands on TV, wouldn't have some level of interaction with his coach and/or the squad, to effect commiseration at the end of a long season, is asking a bit much...
I was watching on TV but I don't think I saw the Chairman. There were 2 guys sitting in front of Steve McLaren but Mr Bloom wasn't one of them, was he?!
Actually, yes he was Weststander. Only it wasn't Tony but his brother Darren and one other bloke with a Seagull coat. I noticed them and wondered why Tony's brother Darren wouldn't be with the Albion board?
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: Just read this article once more and it would be great to know that one item was incorrect.... Andy Naylor reports that Oscar had no contact with ANY BOARD MEMBER following yesterday's defeat. If that is true it is a disgrace and dereliction of duty. Every Board Member who was at the game should have made time to express their gratitude and commiserations and encouragement to forget the defeat and focus on the achievements of this season to Oscar and the team after the game. That's what happens with clubs who are united.![/p][/quote]Very good point. It was probably the club's way of trying to play down the resignation line without thinking of the consequence. How can he possibly have offered his resignation if he didn't speak to anyone? But to expect that the Chairman, who was plainly seen sitting in the stands on TV, wouldn't have some level of interaction with his coach and/or the squad, to effect commiseration at the end of a long season, is asking a bit much...[/p][/quote]I was watching on TV but I don't think I saw the Chairman. There were 2 guys sitting in front of Steve McLaren but Mr Bloom wasn't one of them, was he?![/p][/quote]Actually, yes he was Weststander. Only it wasn't Tony but his brother Darren and one other bloke with a Seagull coat. I noticed them and wondered why Tony's brother Darren wouldn't be with the Albion board? WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 1

1:50pm Mon 12 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Neville wrote:
Vegas
Did you manage to check website under heading two hundred million reasons to love tony bloom,this will give you a good insight into the finances involved?
I did read that article Neville but as with so many articles of that type, a person's wealth is calculated as a, 'on paper,' evaluation. All of Bloom's holding might well reach that figure, but how much of it is, cash?
Think about your net worth, everything you own or partly own, (do you still have a mortgage), the figure might look healthy but could you raise 40K in cash next week, I couldn't. You should also consider the fact that part of Bloom's, on paper wealth, is the club, a business that is currently losing millions every year.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Vegas Did you manage to check website under heading two hundred million reasons to love tony bloom,this will give you a good insight into the finances involved?[/p][/quote]I did read that article Neville but as with so many articles of that type, a person's wealth is calculated as a, 'on paper,' evaluation. All of Bloom's holding might well reach that figure, but how much of it is, cash? Think about your net worth, everything you own or partly own, (do you still have a mortgage), the figure might look healthy but could you raise 40K in cash next week, I couldn't. You should also consider the fact that part of Bloom's, on paper wealth, is the club, a business that is currently losing millions every year. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

1:53pm Mon 12 May 14

rolivan says...

true fan wrote:
My prediction at the beginning of the season with the issues we were having with GP was top 10 finish, therefore top 6 is good result overall - especially if you take into acocunt our injury woes over the season. However I am fearful for next season. OG inherited a team and therefore made the ebst of what he had IMO. The summer will be a massive indication of his intent - its my opinion he will stay and offered his resignation (if reports are true) as a knee jerk to a disappointing evening in Derby. Agree with some of the posts here, our team needs a major overhall - this is my view:

3 Goalkeepers - Keep TK (although recently i have been less than impressed)get rid of other two - we apparently have a great youngster - lets put him on the bench
Right back - Calde and Bruno to go - neither are good enough
CD - Greer to go (too old and slow), Keep Upson (if we think he can last another full season) and make him captain, keep Dunk (with game time i think he will be good (Tottenham were interested remember before the incident at Jury's)
Left Back - Sign Ward - keep Chicksen as backup
CDM/CM - Ince, Stephens and Crofts to stay - everyone else to go
AM - JFC - I would keep him - the problem with the last few games is that he has been playing the deeper role, which is really not his position and tehrefore not his fault
Wings - Cash in on Buckley (too injury prone), Keep KLL (good impact player) keep March, we also have the youngster signed - cant remember his name!
Forwards - Keep CMS - cash in on Ulloa (especially if the reported figure is £6 from Leicester) - Keep Hoskins, but only if he is fit
As you can see investment is needed to replace the mass clearout I would make. However there are some really good players being released - Chris Eagles for one!
Like I said this summer will be interesting
As I said the other day we could go from Pole to Pole and the new one is Polands 2nd choice Goalie
[quote][p][bold]true fan[/bold] wrote: My prediction at the beginning of the season with the issues we were having with GP was top 10 finish, therefore top 6 is good result overall - especially if you take into acocunt our injury woes over the season. However I am fearful for next season. OG inherited a team and therefore made the ebst of what he had IMO. The summer will be a massive indication of his intent - its my opinion he will stay and offered his resignation (if reports are true) as a knee jerk to a disappointing evening in Derby. Agree with some of the posts here, our team needs a major overhall - this is my view: 3 Goalkeepers - Keep TK (although recently i have been less than impressed)get rid of other two - we apparently have a great youngster - lets put him on the bench Right back - Calde and Bruno to go - neither are good enough CD - Greer to go (too old and slow), Keep Upson (if we think he can last another full season) and make him captain, keep Dunk (with game time i think he will be good (Tottenham were interested remember before the incident at Jury's) Left Back - Sign Ward - keep Chicksen as backup CDM/CM - Ince, Stephens and Crofts to stay - everyone else to go AM - JFC - I would keep him - the problem with the last few games is that he has been playing the deeper role, which is really not his position and tehrefore not his fault Wings - Cash in on Buckley (too injury prone), Keep KLL (good impact player) keep March, we also have the youngster signed - cant remember his name! Forwards - Keep CMS - cash in on Ulloa (especially if the reported figure is £6 from Leicester) - Keep Hoskins, but only if he is fit As you can see investment is needed to replace the mass clearout I would make. However there are some really good players being released - Chris Eagles for one! Like I said this summer will be interesting[/p][/quote]As I said the other day we could go from Pole to Pole and the new one is Polands 2nd choice Goalie rolivan
  • Score: 3

1:56pm Mon 12 May 14

mikeygit says...

Vegas---I agree with most of what you have to say--BUT if the Amex is nearly full we then have max income from gate money. If we are to get new players and NOT spend a lot of money are they going to be the right quality to improve BHA--thats a BIG ask!! If money comes from other sources that is going to take time and NOT ready by next season---hotels etc. On that basis I would like to ask you what your opinion is on getting NEW money to build a good team that will challenge a place in the Premiership next season---if we do not do that I cannot see BHA fans paying to go to the Amex in the numbers that the Club is currently getting. We have The Amex, the Lancing training ground etc--all to Premiership standard---but the team is sadly lacking in that dept--SO I ask you and other fans WHAT IS THE SOLUTION if Mr Bloom cannot fork out the money?? Very difficult one to call.
Vegas---I agree with most of what you have to say--BUT if the Amex is nearly full we then have max income from gate money. If we are to get new players and NOT spend a lot of money are they going to be the right quality to improve BHA--thats a BIG ask!! If money comes from other sources that is going to take time and NOT ready by next season---hotels etc. On that basis I would like to ask you what your opinion is on getting NEW money to build a good team that will challenge a place in the Premiership next season---if we do not do that I cannot see BHA fans paying to go to the Amex in the numbers that the Club is currently getting. We have The Amex, the Lancing training ground etc--all to Premiership standard---but the team is sadly lacking in that dept--SO I ask you and other fans WHAT IS THE SOLUTION if Mr Bloom cannot fork out the money?? Very difficult one to call. mikeygit
  • Score: 2

1:58pm Mon 12 May 14

rolivan says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Vegas
Did you manage to check website under heading two hundred million reasons to love tony bloom,this will give you a good insight into the finances involved?
I did read that article Neville but as with so many articles of that type, a person's wealth is calculated as a, 'on paper,' evaluation. All of Bloom's holding might well reach that figure, but how much of it is, cash?
Think about your net worth, everything you own or partly own, (do you still have a mortgage), the figure might look healthy but could you raise 40K in cash next week, I couldn't. You should also consider the fact that part of Bloom's, on paper wealth, is the club, a business that is currently losing millions every year.
The assets TB has to use could be a collective Pension Fund . The Family have a lot of "Friends" In Brighton and Hove alone let alone new ones in Australia.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Vegas Did you manage to check website under heading two hundred million reasons to love tony bloom,this will give you a good insight into the finances involved?[/p][/quote]I did read that article Neville but as with so many articles of that type, a person's wealth is calculated as a, 'on paper,' evaluation. All of Bloom's holding might well reach that figure, but how much of it is, cash? Think about your net worth, everything you own or partly own, (do you still have a mortgage), the figure might look healthy but could you raise 40K in cash next week, I couldn't. You should also consider the fact that part of Bloom's, on paper wealth, is the club, a business that is currently losing millions every year.[/p][/quote]The assets TB has to use could be a collective Pension Fund . The Family have a lot of "Friends" In Brighton and Hove alone let alone new ones in Australia. rolivan
  • Score: 0

2:04pm Mon 12 May 14

rolivan says...

mikeygit wrote:
Vegas---I agree with most of what you have to say--BUT if the Amex is nearly full we then have max income from gate money. If we are to get new players and NOT spend a lot of money are they going to be the right quality to improve BHA--thats a BIG ask!! If money comes from other sources that is going to take time and NOT ready by next season---hotels etc. On that basis I would like to ask you what your opinion is on getting NEW money to build a good team that will challenge a place in the Premiership next season---if we do not do that I cannot see BHA fans paying to go to the Amex in the numbers that the Club is currently getting. We have The Amex, the Lancing training ground etc--all to Premiership standard---but the team is sadly lacking in that dept--SO I ask you and other fans WHAT IS THE SOLUTION if Mr Bloom cannot fork out the money?? Very difficult one to call.
It is not a case of not being able to afford but it is not allowed only £3 million can be put in by the owner
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Vegas---I agree with most of what you have to say--BUT if the Amex is nearly full we then have max income from gate money. If we are to get new players and NOT spend a lot of money are they going to be the right quality to improve BHA--thats a BIG ask!! If money comes from other sources that is going to take time and NOT ready by next season---hotels etc. On that basis I would like to ask you what your opinion is on getting NEW money to build a good team that will challenge a place in the Premiership next season---if we do not do that I cannot see BHA fans paying to go to the Amex in the numbers that the Club is currently getting. We have The Amex, the Lancing training ground etc--all to Premiership standard---but the team is sadly lacking in that dept--SO I ask you and other fans WHAT IS THE SOLUTION if Mr Bloom cannot fork out the money?? Very difficult one to call.[/p][/quote]It is not a case of not being able to afford but it is not allowed only £3 million can be put in by the owner rolivan
  • Score: 0

2:05pm Mon 12 May 14

woodcroft says...

Biggest Own Goal of the season Argus. Mail and Sky Sports beat you to it.
If you knew Oscar was not happy then you should have been on the case.
You spend time on non stories to fill space and miss this one. On this form you could all play in our mid-field!.
Biggest Own Goal of the season Argus. Mail and Sky Sports beat you to it. If you knew Oscar was not happy then you should have been on the case. You spend time on non stories to fill space and miss this one. On this form you could all play in our mid-field!. woodcroft
  • Score: 6

2:07pm Mon 12 May 14

Neville says...

Vegas
You make some valid points regarding finances but how about the accountability of someone for the money that has been wasted.
Augustien is on a 2year contract and has never played a full game and hardly been seen of,Lita,Obika,Rodrig
uez all money wasted.
Money kept from the sale of Bridcutt,Barnes,ElAb
d and the farce of the Grabban move,the loss of Conway.
Why haven't heads rolled for this,they would in any other business.
The club has ambitious plans agreed but it is no use if the fan base starts to dwindle,which it will if there is no player investment .
Why is money being spent looking at building a hotel on site,if we are so short of finances,why spend tens of thousands on player presentations,overni
ght stays when playing teams within say three hours away,flights to northern venue,3 day stays in FA facilities.If things are that dire do we not need to look in house at some of the highly salaried upper management staff.
FFP is not just going to happen,it will be challenged and eventually watered down,yes we need to abide but there needs to be a careful balance between infrastructure and squad improvement.
Vegas You make some valid points regarding finances but how about the accountability of someone for the money that has been wasted. Augustien is on a 2year contract and has never played a full game and hardly been seen of,Lita,Obika,Rodrig uez all money wasted. Money kept from the sale of Bridcutt,Barnes,ElAb d and the farce of the Grabban move,the loss of Conway. Why haven't heads rolled for this,they would in any other business. The club has ambitious plans agreed but it is no use if the fan base starts to dwindle,which it will if there is no player investment . Why is money being spent looking at building a hotel on site,if we are so short of finances,why spend tens of thousands on player presentations,overni ght stays when playing teams within say three hours away,flights to northern venue,3 day stays in FA facilities.If things are that dire do we not need to look in house at some of the highly salaried upper management staff. FFP is not just going to happen,it will be challenged and eventually watered down,yes we need to abide but there needs to be a careful balance between infrastructure and squad improvement. Neville
  • Score: 5

2:15pm Mon 12 May 14

woodcroft says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
In isolation, still seething after yesterday's performance. The lack of determination and commitment was astoundingly poor, players looked like they couldn't be bothered. Why?
Were they in the same frame of mind as last year?
Overall, my wider thoughts are bullet-pointed to save a long, wordy rant.
Squad never good enough, OG done an excellent job to get us this far.
Resignation story is clearly not without substance. When a local a paper says it 'understands' something, it's been told so and consistency with last year is alarming
TB has to look at a set up that hasn't impressed TWO international coaches
Obvious that DOF set up clearly isn't working well enough
Lack of money not necessarily the issue. It's not impossible to improve things on a shoestring. Ask Burnley.
If there isn't a bottomless pit of money, OG MUST be given a free hand to identify or approve the out of contract players HE wants.
Starting again with another new man would be a massive step backwards.
If OG goes ( and I hope he doesn't) next stop Tim Sherwood - The Tottenham link.
TB is good for BHA. I just hope he heeds the second warning from another coach/manager and looks beyond the coach.
As usual a good post by our man in Staffs. Who ever manages the Club next, we have to sort the relationship out wit TB< DB and the Head Coach. The mess of the Transfer window made us weaker and a laughing stock. Not impressed with Mr Day either
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: In isolation, still seething after yesterday's performance. The lack of determination and commitment was astoundingly poor, players looked like they couldn't be bothered. Why? Were they in the same frame of mind as last year? Overall, my wider thoughts are bullet-pointed to save a long, wordy rant. Squad never good enough, OG done an excellent job to get us this far. Resignation story is clearly not without substance. When a local a paper says it 'understands' something, it's been told so and consistency with last year is alarming TB has to look at a set up that hasn't impressed TWO international coaches Obvious that DOF set up clearly isn't working well enough Lack of money not necessarily the issue. It's not impossible to improve things on a shoestring. Ask Burnley. If there isn't a bottomless pit of money, OG MUST be given a free hand to identify or approve the out of contract players HE wants. Starting again with another new man would be a massive step backwards. If OG goes ( and I hope he doesn't) next stop Tim Sherwood - The Tottenham link. TB is good for BHA. I just hope he heeds the second warning from another coach/manager and looks beyond the coach.[/p][/quote]As usual a good post by our man in Staffs. Who ever manages the Club next, we have to sort the relationship out wit TB< DB and the Head Coach. The mess of the Transfer window made us weaker and a laughing stock. Not impressed with Mr Day either woodcroft
  • Score: 4

2:23pm Mon 12 May 14

hannover seagull says...

If the board are not going to give the manager the funds it doesnt matter if we have Oscar, Malky Mckay or Whyte and Mckay
We will not improve.
Time for a clearout on the booard too,methinks
UTA
If the board are not going to give the manager the funds it doesnt matter if we have Oscar, Malky Mckay or Whyte and Mckay We will not improve. Time for a clearout on the booard too,methinks UTA hannover seagull
  • Score: 2

2:24pm Mon 12 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

I heard a rumour that Alan Curbishley has been approached for the Albion job, he did ok at charlton but I'd be rather concerned if that's the direction we're heading in, he's lost touch a bit now and probably not the answer. Answers from the club are needed now.
I heard a rumour that Alan Curbishley has been approached for the Albion job, he did ok at charlton but I'd be rather concerned if that's the direction we're heading in, he's lost touch a bit now and probably not the answer. Answers from the club are needed now. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 1

2:27pm Mon 12 May 14

mikeygit says...

Neville--Good post on operational costs. Taking 3 days on away matches IS unacceptable, cost of flights etc to airlines and all that. We are pulling out of Afghanistan so perhaps Tony could get a good second hand Chinook and keep it at Shoreham airport to ferry the players around the country and get them back the same day. Players costs seem to be rocketing each season and that is part of the problem and is endemic throughout football all over the world and players in some ways are holding clubs to ransom!!
Neville--Good post on operational costs. Taking 3 days on away matches IS unacceptable, cost of flights etc to airlines and all that. We are pulling out of Afghanistan so perhaps Tony could get a good second hand Chinook and keep it at Shoreham airport to ferry the players around the country and get them back the same day. Players costs seem to be rocketing each season and that is part of the problem and is endemic throughout football all over the world and players in some ways are holding clubs to ransom!! mikeygit
  • Score: 2

2:29pm Mon 12 May 14

Piglet1 says...

Free money wrote:
Neville wrote:
There have been strong rumours in the past week regarding Malkay McKay and he has just suddenly stopped his legal action against Cardiff.
In my opinion this year has been a disaster for player activity,OG has done a good job under almost impossible conditions and poor transfer activity.Lets look at what has happened.
It was known Barnes was not going to sign a contract extension at the start of the season and he was allowed to leave with no replacement.
We had the farcical situations with Lita and Obita. Grabban was announced as coming then didn't. Augustien was signed and on two year deal and has never featured in a full game.ElAbd was allowed to leave without any replacement.
Rodriguez was signed till season end but never featured in a full match.
Hoskins apparently now fit,has never featured.
The only decent signing,again my opinion only,was Dale Stephens.
I cannot believe this activity was initiated by OG.
Money from Barnes,El Abd and Bridcutt never spent,presumably assisting FFP rules.
The club is being controlled by boardroom and not the actaul playing staff,so you can see why OG wants out.
Cannot fault TB and I am sure he will get this sorted but it really is an unhappy state of affairs to be going through all this again. Most of team out of contract at the same time,possibly no head coach and team rebuild necessary,back to square one.
Season ticket holders are watching events very closely.
Outstanding post again Neville.The words of a real fan with his own brain.Thank you.
Hollow praise indeed.
[quote][p][bold]Free money[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: There have been strong rumours in the past week regarding Malkay McKay and he has just suddenly stopped his legal action against Cardiff. In my opinion this year has been a disaster for player activity,OG has done a good job under almost impossible conditions and poor transfer activity.Lets look at what has happened. It was known Barnes was not going to sign a contract extension at the start of the season and he was allowed to leave with no replacement. We had the farcical situations with Lita and Obita. Grabban was announced as coming then didn't. Augustien was signed and on two year deal and has never featured in a full game.ElAbd was allowed to leave without any replacement. Rodriguez was signed till season end but never featured in a full match. Hoskins apparently now fit,has never featured. The only decent signing,again my opinion only,was Dale Stephens. I cannot believe this activity was initiated by OG. Money from Barnes,El Abd and Bridcutt never spent,presumably assisting FFP rules. The club is being controlled by boardroom and not the actaul playing staff,so you can see why OG wants out. Cannot fault TB and I am sure he will get this sorted but it really is an unhappy state of affairs to be going through all this again. Most of team out of contract at the same time,possibly no head coach and team rebuild necessary,back to square one. Season ticket holders are watching events very closely.[/p][/quote]Outstanding post again Neville.The words of a real fan with his own brain.Thank you.[/p][/quote]Hollow praise indeed. Piglet1
  • Score: 3

2:30pm Mon 12 May 14

Piglet1 says...

Free money wrote:
Neville wrote:
There have been strong rumours in the past week regarding Malkay McKay and he has just suddenly stopped his legal action against Cardiff.
In my opinion this year has been a disaster for player activity,OG has done a good job under almost impossible conditions and poor transfer activity.Lets look at what has happened.
It was known Barnes was not going to sign a contract extension at the start of the season and he was allowed to leave with no replacement.
We had the farcical situations with Lita and Obita. Grabban was announced as coming then didn't. Augustien was signed and on two year deal and has never featured in a full game.ElAbd was allowed to leave without any replacement.
Rodriguez was signed till season end but never featured in a full match.
Hoskins apparently now fit,has never featured.
The only decent signing,again my opinion only,was Dale Stephens.
I cannot believe this activity was initiated by OG.
Money from Barnes,El Abd and Bridcutt never spent,presumably assisting FFP rules.
The club is being controlled by boardroom and not the actaul playing staff,so you can see why OG wants out.
Cannot fault TB and I am sure he will get this sorted but it really is an unhappy state of affairs to be going through all this again. Most of team out of contract at the same time,possibly no head coach and team rebuild necessary,back to square one.
Season ticket holders are watching events very closely.
Outstanding post again Neville.The words of a real fan with his own brain.Thank you.
Hollow praise indeed.
[quote][p][bold]Free money[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: There have been strong rumours in the past week regarding Malkay McKay and he has just suddenly stopped his legal action against Cardiff. In my opinion this year has been a disaster for player activity,OG has done a good job under almost impossible conditions and poor transfer activity.Lets look at what has happened. It was known Barnes was not going to sign a contract extension at the start of the season and he was allowed to leave with no replacement. We had the farcical situations with Lita and Obita. Grabban was announced as coming then didn't. Augustien was signed and on two year deal and has never featured in a full game.ElAbd was allowed to leave without any replacement. Rodriguez was signed till season end but never featured in a full match. Hoskins apparently now fit,has never featured. The only decent signing,again my opinion only,was Dale Stephens. I cannot believe this activity was initiated by OG. Money from Barnes,El Abd and Bridcutt never spent,presumably assisting FFP rules. The club is being controlled by boardroom and not the actaul playing staff,so you can see why OG wants out. Cannot fault TB and I am sure he will get this sorted but it really is an unhappy state of affairs to be going through all this again. Most of team out of contract at the same time,possibly no head coach and team rebuild necessary,back to square one. Season ticket holders are watching events very closely.[/p][/quote]Outstanding post again Neville.The words of a real fan with his own brain.Thank you.[/p][/quote]Hollow praise indeed. Piglet1
  • Score: 4

2:37pm Mon 12 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

mikeygit wrote:
Vegas---I agree with most of what you have to say--BUT if the Amex is nearly full we then have max income from gate money. If we are to get new players and NOT spend a lot of money are they going to be the right quality to improve BHA--thats a BIG ask!! If money comes from other sources that is going to take time and NOT ready by next season---hotels etc. On that basis I would like to ask you what your opinion is on getting NEW money to build a good team that will challenge a place in the Premiership next season---if we do not do that I cannot see BHA fans paying to go to the Amex in the numbers that the Club is currently getting. We have The Amex, the Lancing training ground etc--all to Premiership standard---but the team is sadly lacking in that dept--SO I ask you and other fans WHAT IS THE SOLUTION if Mr Bloom cannot fork out the money?? Very difficult one to call.
Hi Mickey.
You are asking me exactly what I am asking others, where does the money come from?

To address the premise that we should have a squad next year that is capable of getting promoted, I am not so sure that that is correct. We didn't have one this year, some might say that we didn't really deserve a top six finish, but we got there anyway. Season tickets sales are based on the hope of promotion and the hope of being entertained, they don't have to both exist at the same time, even tho that would be great. A product that is entertaining might not be good enough to join the elite, but can still be good enough to pull the crowds in.

Every year we divert money toward reducing our operational losses, and until we reach break even that will continue, that money could be used to buy players. Maybe we have to stay where we are for two or three more seasons, conquer the losses and then build the promotion squad. It's a catch twenty two situation, if we don't spend we won't have the entertaiment level but if we do spend, we won't break even, and of course I am talking of spending above what we can afford to spend.

In the short term I am looking for the sale of the new facility naming rights and the new shirt deal to go some way to aliviating our problem, and I am looking to the propsed hotel, student block and parking facility to help us in the longer term. Rome wasn't built over night, and our promotion winning squad won't be either.
Two years reaching the play-offs on the bounce has been good, but maybe those achievements are now placing too much pressure on the club to instantly go further.
Raising new income from outside of what is, 'The Amex,' and all that it entails, is the only answer for the coming few years. The club wiull continue to look for ways to generate income that does not stem from the pitch. I would expect us to expand into more projects such as the hotel ect.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Vegas---I agree with most of what you have to say--BUT if the Amex is nearly full we then have max income from gate money. If we are to get new players and NOT spend a lot of money are they going to be the right quality to improve BHA--thats a BIG ask!! If money comes from other sources that is going to take time and NOT ready by next season---hotels etc. On that basis I would like to ask you what your opinion is on getting NEW money to build a good team that will challenge a place in the Premiership next season---if we do not do that I cannot see BHA fans paying to go to the Amex in the numbers that the Club is currently getting. We have The Amex, the Lancing training ground etc--all to Premiership standard---but the team is sadly lacking in that dept--SO I ask you and other fans WHAT IS THE SOLUTION if Mr Bloom cannot fork out the money?? Very difficult one to call.[/p][/quote]Hi Mickey. You are asking me exactly what I am asking others, where does the money come from? To address the premise that we should have a squad next year that is capable of getting promoted, I am not so sure that that is correct. We didn't have one this year, some might say that we didn't really deserve a top six finish, but we got there anyway. Season tickets sales are based on the hope of promotion and the hope of being entertained, they don't have to both exist at the same time, even tho that would be great. A product that is entertaining might not be good enough to join the elite, but can still be good enough to pull the crowds in. Every year we divert money toward reducing our operational losses, and until we reach break even that will continue, that money could be used to buy players. Maybe we have to stay where we are for two or three more seasons, conquer the losses and then build the promotion squad. It's a catch twenty two situation, if we don't spend we won't have the entertaiment level but if we do spend, we won't break even, and of course I am talking of spending above what we can afford to spend. In the short term I am looking for the sale of the new facility naming rights and the new shirt deal to go some way to aliviating our problem, and I am looking to the propsed hotel, student block and parking facility to help us in the longer term. Rome wasn't built over night, and our promotion winning squad won't be either. Two years reaching the play-offs on the bounce has been good, but maybe those achievements are now placing too much pressure on the club to instantly go further. Raising new income from outside of what is, 'The Amex,' and all that it entails, is the only answer for the coming few years. The club wiull continue to look for ways to generate income that does not stem from the pitch. I would expect us to expand into more projects such as the hotel ect. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

2:39pm Mon 12 May 14

Neville says...

If Oscar does go as seems likely then odds on it will be Tim Sherwood,connection with PB from Spurs days.
If Oscar does go as seems likely then odds on it will be Tim Sherwood,connection with PB from Spurs days. Neville
  • Score: 0

2:45pm Mon 12 May 14

wiseman of hove says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
I heard a rumour that Alan Curbishley has been approached for the Albion job, he did ok at charlton but I'd be rather concerned if that's the direction we're heading in, he's lost touch a bit now and probably not the answer. Answers from the club are needed now.
Please no
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: I heard a rumour that Alan Curbishley has been approached for the Albion job, he did ok at charlton but I'd be rather concerned if that's the direction we're heading in, he's lost touch a bit now and probably not the answer. Answers from the club are needed now.[/p][/quote]Please no wiseman of hove
  • Score: 3

2:55pm Mon 12 May 14

Neville says...

Vegas
Time is not on our side to play around in the Championship for a few more seasons,when the Amex was built the plan was and still is to be in the Premiership within 5years . TB has openly stated he expected playoffs at minimum,well next it has to be promotion,that's fact.
Vegas Time is not on our side to play around in the Championship for a few more seasons,when the Amex was built the plan was and still is to be in the Premiership within 5years . TB has openly stated he expected playoffs at minimum,well next it has to be promotion,that's fact. Neville
  • Score: 4

2:59pm Mon 12 May 14

sussexram40 says...

It's clear OG is going.
ONce again I have been proved right. I have repeatedly said OG wouldnt be at BHA long and was not the right man and I was repeatedly shot down by the usual suspects.
OG was an interim, trainee manager to fill the gap left by GP and it stabilise the club.
We need an experienced British manager and now one will be appointed.
PG has confirmed he is going (as good as). Note his use of the past tense:
"The squad gave me everything and it has been a real pleasure to be their manager," 41 year-old Garcia told BBC Sussex.
I believe Malky is the ideal replacement and I am confident Malky willbe appointed to the job.
Once a manager says publicly he wants to leave a club and speaks og his tenure in the ast tense, and offers to resign, that man does not stay in the job. We all know that.
OG's tactics were awry, negative. He never got to grips with the SkyBet championship. He lacked personality.
I thank Oscar for his hard work in stabilising the club after a traumatic end of last season and a traumatic summer. I wish him well for the future - but I doubt his future lies in English football.
I look forward to welcoming Malky to the Amex.
Onwards and upwards.
It's clear OG is going. ONce again I have been proved right. I have repeatedly said OG wouldnt be at BHA long and was not the right man and I was repeatedly shot down by the usual suspects. OG was an interim, trainee manager to fill the gap left by GP and it stabilise the club. We need an experienced British manager and now one will be appointed. PG has confirmed he is going (as good as). Note his use of the past tense: "The squad gave me everything and it has been a real pleasure to be their manager," 41 year-old Garcia told BBC Sussex. I believe Malky is the ideal replacement and I am confident Malky willbe appointed to the job. Once a manager says publicly he wants to leave a club and speaks og his tenure in the ast tense, and offers to resign, that man does not stay in the job. We all know that. OG's tactics were awry, negative. He never got to grips with the SkyBet championship. He lacked personality. I thank Oscar for his hard work in stabilising the club after a traumatic end of last season and a traumatic summer. I wish him well for the future - but I doubt his future lies in English football. I look forward to welcoming Malky to the Amex. Onwards and upwards. sussexram40
  • Score: -3

3:05pm Mon 12 May 14

hannover seagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
Vegas---I agree with most of what you have to say--BUT if the Amex is nearly full we then have max income from gate money. If we are to get new players and NOT spend a lot of money are they going to be the right quality to improve BHA--thats a BIG ask!! If money comes from other sources that is going to take time and NOT ready by next season---hotels etc. On that basis I would like to ask you what your opinion is on getting NEW money to build a good team that will challenge a place in the Premiership next season---if we do not do that I cannot see BHA fans paying to go to the Amex in the numbers that the Club is currently getting. We have The Amex, the Lancing training ground etc--all to Premiership standard---but the team is sadly lacking in that dept--SO I ask you and other fans WHAT IS THE SOLUTION if Mr Bloom cannot fork out the money?? Very difficult one to call.
Hi Mickey.
You are asking me exactly what I am asking others, where does the money come from?

To address the premise that we should have a squad next year that is capable of getting promoted, I am not so sure that that is correct. We didn't have one this year, some might say that we didn't really deserve a top six finish, but we got there anyway. Season tickets sales are based on the hope of promotion and the hope of being entertained, they don't have to both exist at the same time, even tho that would be great. A product that is entertaining might not be good enough to join the elite, but can still be good enough to pull the crowds in.

Every year we divert money toward reducing our operational losses, and until we reach break even that will continue, that money could be used to buy players. Maybe we have to stay where we are for two or three more seasons, conquer the losses and then build the promotion squad. It's a catch twenty two situation, if we don't spend we won't have the entertaiment level but if we do spend, we won't break even, and of course I am talking of spending above what we can afford to spend.

In the short term I am looking for the sale of the new facility naming rights and the new shirt deal to go some way to aliviating our problem, and I am looking to the propsed hotel, student block and parking facility to help us in the longer term. Rome wasn't built over night, and our promotion winning squad won't be either.
Two years reaching the play-offs on the bounce has been good, but maybe those achievements are now placing too much pressure on the club to instantly go further.
Raising new income from outside of what is, 'The Amex,' and all that it entails, is the only answer for the coming few years. The club wiull continue to look for ways to generate income that does not stem from the pitch. I would expect us to expand into more projects such as the hotel ect.
All very well and good but you can´t just invest off the pitch.Losing key players(sold or injured) and not replacing them is always going to leave you struggling when push comes to shove.
Some very bad signings this year makes me think the scouting and recruitment team is far from good enough.
Hard to defend a shiny new castle with ageing foot soldiers.
Time to splash some cash otherwise we will struggle to compete next season.
UTA...
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Vegas---I agree with most of what you have to say--BUT if the Amex is nearly full we then have max income from gate money. If we are to get new players and NOT spend a lot of money are they going to be the right quality to improve BHA--thats a BIG ask!! If money comes from other sources that is going to take time and NOT ready by next season---hotels etc. On that basis I would like to ask you what your opinion is on getting NEW money to build a good team that will challenge a place in the Premiership next season---if we do not do that I cannot see BHA fans paying to go to the Amex in the numbers that the Club is currently getting. We have The Amex, the Lancing training ground etc--all to Premiership standard---but the team is sadly lacking in that dept--SO I ask you and other fans WHAT IS THE SOLUTION if Mr Bloom cannot fork out the money?? Very difficult one to call.[/p][/quote]Hi Mickey. You are asking me exactly what I am asking others, where does the money come from? To address the premise that we should have a squad next year that is capable of getting promoted, I am not so sure that that is correct. We didn't have one this year, some might say that we didn't really deserve a top six finish, but we got there anyway. Season tickets sales are based on the hope of promotion and the hope of being entertained, they don't have to both exist at the same time, even tho that would be great. A product that is entertaining might not be good enough to join the elite, but can still be good enough to pull the crowds in. Every year we divert money toward reducing our operational losses, and until we reach break even that will continue, that money could be used to buy players. Maybe we have to stay where we are for two or three more seasons, conquer the losses and then build the promotion squad. It's a catch twenty two situation, if we don't spend we won't have the entertaiment level but if we do spend, we won't break even, and of course I am talking of spending above what we can afford to spend. In the short term I am looking for the sale of the new facility naming rights and the new shirt deal to go some way to aliviating our problem, and I am looking to the propsed hotel, student block and parking facility to help us in the longer term. Rome wasn't built over night, and our promotion winning squad won't be either. Two years reaching the play-offs on the bounce has been good, but maybe those achievements are now placing too much pressure on the club to instantly go further. Raising new income from outside of what is, 'The Amex,' and all that it entails, is the only answer for the coming few years. The club wiull continue to look for ways to generate income that does not stem from the pitch. I would expect us to expand into more projects such as the hotel ect.[/p][/quote]All very well and good but you can´t just invest off the pitch.Losing key players(sold or injured) and not replacing them is always going to leave you struggling when push comes to shove. Some very bad signings this year makes me think the scouting and recruitment team is far from good enough. Hard to defend a shiny new castle with ageing foot soldiers. Time to splash some cash otherwise we will struggle to compete next season. UTA... hannover seagull
  • Score: 6

3:06pm Mon 12 May 14

Cap'n Pugwash says...

Free money wrote:
Read again his not been happy for some time with things,and the budget is not there.Now where did we hear that b4???? What manager in their right mind would want to work with rubbish like Dunk and JFC again next season.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt
[quote][p][bold]Free money[/bold] wrote: Read again his not been happy for some time with things,and the budget is not there.Now where did we hear that b4???? What manager in their right mind would want to work with rubbish like Dunk and JFC again next season.[/p][/quote]Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt Cap'n Pugwash
  • Score: 3

3:07pm Mon 12 May 14

Cap'n Pugwash says...

Free money wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Marky24 wrote:
El abd is not a good centre half he couldn't get a game for Bristol city.
But he was ahead of dunk here!!! What does that say about Dunk? From yesterday's performance I think it says he is not up to it, ball watching , slow to react .. Elabd was a ok performer, I personally thought he was rubbish, but he was ahead of Dunk, we should have bought in another to replace him, not trying to sign Baird of Reading, guy has been injured for about 18 months!
Must have been a cheap wage offer!
The opinions on Dunk - in some cases bordering libel - are masking a slightly wider problem in my view.
Is the lad good enough for what we need? IMO, no, but he's only in the same category as two or three others, so singling him out is a bit rich. We didn't have sufficient cover at centre back and it's clear to me the execs thought we did. It's one area where I believe OG will have been frustrated and probably the reason why Upson continued to play when he shouldn't have.
That, in itself, is not Dunk's fault. He's not a first back-up, let alone a starter but all that makes him is a footballer who needs to play at a lower level - not the devil.
Well tell him along with JFC and Hoskins to go start a boyband because thats what they think they are around the clubs.You should have seen them in BMTH that night.A pure waste of fans money the lot of them.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt
[quote][p][bold]Free money[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marky24[/bold] wrote: El abd is not a good centre half he couldn't get a game for Bristol city.[/p][/quote]But he was ahead of dunk here!!! What does that say about Dunk? From yesterday's performance I think it says he is not up to it, ball watching , slow to react .. Elabd was a ok performer, I personally thought he was rubbish, but he was ahead of Dunk, we should have bought in another to replace him, not trying to sign Baird of Reading, guy has been injured for about 18 months! Must have been a cheap wage offer![/p][/quote]The opinions on Dunk - in some cases bordering libel - are masking a slightly wider problem in my view. Is the lad good enough for what we need? IMO, no, but he's only in the same category as two or three others, so singling him out is a bit rich. We didn't have sufficient cover at centre back and it's clear to me the execs thought we did. It's one area where I believe OG will have been frustrated and probably the reason why Upson continued to play when he shouldn't have. That, in itself, is not Dunk's fault. He's not a first back-up, let alone a starter but all that makes him is a footballer who needs to play at a lower level - not the devil.[/p][/quote]Well tell him along with JFC and Hoskins to go start a boyband because thats what they think they are around the clubs.You should have seen them in BMTH that night.A pure waste of fans money the lot of them.[/p][/quote]Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt Cap'n Pugwash
  • Score: 0

3:09pm Mon 12 May 14

Cap'n Pugwash says...

Free money wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
wiseman of hove wrote:
Amidst all the speculation, one thing stands out for me. The appalling injury and fitness issues at this club. Week after week.
But we pick up injury prone players because they are cheap!
We tried to sign Baird who has hardly played a game in 18 months from Reading, I don't have problem selling players if it's..
A ) a good price
B) we have better or we need better and we have someone lined up.
C) they simply won't get a game or needed as back up.
None of those things was the case in Elabds case,
The reason I pick out Dunk is he is the future... If that is the case we won't get above 10 th place next year and will play to gates of 20,000
TK and Bridcutt both think Dunk is so bad he could take the club down next season.
Is it true that you had an ar5ehole transplant and it rejected you?
[quote][p][bold]Free money[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: Amidst all the speculation, one thing stands out for me. The appalling injury and fitness issues at this club. Week after week.[/p][/quote]But we pick up injury prone players because they are cheap! We tried to sign Baird who has hardly played a game in 18 months from Reading, I don't have problem selling players if it's.. A ) a good price B) we have better or we need better and we have someone lined up. C) they simply won't get a game or needed as back up. None of those things was the case in Elabds case, The reason I pick out Dunk is he is the future... If that is the case we won't get above 10 th place next year and will play to gates of 20,000[/p][/quote]TK and Bridcutt both think Dunk is so bad he could take the club down next season.[/p][/quote]Is it true that you had an ar5ehole transplant and it rejected you? Cap'n Pugwash
  • Score: 5

3:09pm Mon 12 May 14

mikeygit says...

This article has--as expected--got everyone talking 109 posts so far!! Be sad if Oscar goes--sad that there is something wrong in the Club when we have had two managers in two seasons. Gus was a more dynamic Manager than Oscar and it was plain to see Gus was not a happy bunny. Oscar being quieter it is not so obvious maybe, but i think the same underlying problems are there--maybe not having complete control over the players and signings and not getting players he wants??. However, IF he does go and these problems are not resolved--and IMO Tony is the only one who can do this---then are we going to get another manager in of the quality we want. Does a good manager want to go to a club where such problems exist? So, Tony, get it sorted ---and QUICK, please. As I said on another post, stability is what is needed so IF Oscar goes the new man can do his job without looking over his shoulder all the time.
This article has--as expected--got everyone talking 109 posts so far!! Be sad if Oscar goes--sad that there is something wrong in the Club when we have had two managers in two seasons. Gus was a more dynamic Manager than Oscar and it was plain to see Gus was not a happy bunny. Oscar being quieter it is not so obvious maybe, but i think the same underlying problems are there--maybe not having complete control over the players and signings and not getting players he wants??. However, IF he does go and these problems are not resolved--and IMO Tony is the only one who can do this---then are we going to get another manager in of the quality we want. Does a good manager want to go to a club where such problems exist? So, Tony, get it sorted ---and QUICK, please. As I said on another post, stability is what is needed so IF Oscar goes the new man can do his job without looking over his shoulder all the time. mikeygit
  • Score: 4

3:14pm Mon 12 May 14

Cap'n Pugwash says...

barnieb wrote:
The last time Brighton were in the top flight,I was in my 20's I am now pushing 60.I really have had enough of the lack of ambition of this potentially huge club.Very seriously considering chucking in Season ticket and concentrating on gardening.I just cannot take another year of disappointment and play-offs.
Bye Bye.

Lack of ambition? Are you sure?

This club now has 2 facilities that are the envy of the majority of football clubs in this country. Everything is in place for us to start going places-now the infrastructure is 100% ready.

Enjoy your gardening. You should get in touch with FreeMoney because he offers a non-stop supply of manure.
[quote][p][bold]barnieb[/bold] wrote: The last time Brighton were in the top flight,I was in my 20's I am now pushing 60.I really have had enough of the lack of ambition of this potentially huge club.Very seriously considering chucking in Season ticket and concentrating on gardening.I just cannot take another year of disappointment and play-offs.[/p][/quote]Bye Bye. Lack of ambition? Are you sure? This club now has 2 facilities that are the envy of the majority of football clubs in this country. Everything is in place for us to start going places-now the infrastructure is 100% ready. Enjoy your gardening. You should get in touch with FreeMoney because he offers a non-stop supply of manure. Cap'n Pugwash
  • Score: 6

3:17pm Mon 12 May 14

sussexram40 says...

mikeygit wrote:
This article has--as expected--got everyone talking 109 posts so far!! Be sad if Oscar goes--sad that there is something wrong in the Club when we have had two managers in two seasons. Gus was a more dynamic Manager than Oscar and it was plain to see Gus was not a happy bunny. Oscar being quieter it is not so obvious maybe, but i think the same underlying problems are there--maybe not having complete control over the players and signings and not getting players he wants??. However, IF he does go and these problems are not resolved--and IMO Tony is the only one who can do this---then are we going to get another manager in of the quality we want. Does a good manager want to go to a club where such problems exist? So, Tony, get it sorted ---and QUICK, please. As I said on another post, stability is what is needed so IF Oscar goes the new man can do his job without looking over his shoulder all the time.
Just give Malky the PIN number to the clubs bank account and leave him to do the job.
Malky is the man.
I dont want Pepe Mel like some rumours are saying - I want British.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: This article has--as expected--got everyone talking 109 posts so far!! Be sad if Oscar goes--sad that there is something wrong in the Club when we have had two managers in two seasons. Gus was a more dynamic Manager than Oscar and it was plain to see Gus was not a happy bunny. Oscar being quieter it is not so obvious maybe, but i think the same underlying problems are there--maybe not having complete control over the players and signings and not getting players he wants??. However, IF he does go and these problems are not resolved--and IMO Tony is the only one who can do this---then are we going to get another manager in of the quality we want. Does a good manager want to go to a club where such problems exist? So, Tony, get it sorted ---and QUICK, please. As I said on another post, stability is what is needed so IF Oscar goes the new man can do his job without looking over his shoulder all the time.[/p][/quote]Just give Malky the PIN number to the clubs bank account and leave him to do the job. Malky is the man. I dont want Pepe Mel like some rumours are saying - I want British. sussexram40
  • Score: 3

3:25pm Mon 12 May 14

SonnyJim55 says...

Tim Sherwood will be the new manager, he was in the hat last time but Spurs wanted to keep him. A year later the deal is about to be done
Tim Sherwood will be the new manager, he was in the hat last time but Spurs wanted to keep him. A year later the deal is about to be done SonnyJim55
  • Score: -1

3:28pm Mon 12 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
I heard a rumour that Alan Curbishley has been approached for the Albion job, he did ok at charlton but I'd be rather concerned if that's the direction we're heading in, he's lost touch a bit now and probably not the answer. Answers from the club are needed now.
Please no
Exactly. It is only a rumour and let's hope it stays that way, the question is of course if Oscar does go as appears very possible, who on earth will step in? Really it has to be someone of the calibre of Malcky Mackay, a forward thinking dynamic sort of manager. But, will the issue of funds to improve the squad be a stumbling block once again, as has been the case with Gus, and apparently now Oscar as well? It seems to me we are being a bit too wary of FFP when we could be that little more relaxed, we are not Man City, we will not get a £50 million fine, perhaps the board needs to slacken off just a little to allow us to make the step into the premier league.
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: I heard a rumour that Alan Curbishley has been approached for the Albion job, he did ok at charlton but I'd be rather concerned if that's the direction we're heading in, he's lost touch a bit now and probably not the answer. Answers from the club are needed now.[/p][/quote]Please no[/p][/quote]Exactly. It is only a rumour and let's hope it stays that way, the question is of course if Oscar does go as appears very possible, who on earth will step in? Really it has to be someone of the calibre of Malcky Mackay, a forward thinking dynamic sort of manager. But, will the issue of funds to improve the squad be a stumbling block once again, as has been the case with Gus, and apparently now Oscar as well? It seems to me we are being a bit too wary of FFP when we could be that little more relaxed, we are not Man City, we will not get a £50 million fine, perhaps the board needs to slacken off just a little to allow us to make the step into the premier league. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 2

3:35pm Mon 12 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
wiseman of hove wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
I heard a rumour that Alan Curbishley has been approached for the Albion job, he did ok at charlton but I'd be rather concerned if that's the direction we're heading in, he's lost touch a bit now and probably not the answer. Answers from the club are needed now.
Please no
Exactly. It is only a rumour and let's hope it stays that way, the question is of course if Oscar does go as appears very possible, who on earth will step in? Really it has to be someone of the calibre of Malcky Mackay, a forward thinking dynamic sort of manager. But, will the issue of funds to improve the squad be a stumbling block once again, as has been the case with Gus, and apparently now Oscar as well? It seems to me we are being a bit too wary of FFP when we could be that little more relaxed, we are not Man City, we will not get a £50 million fine, perhaps the board needs to slacken off just a little to allow us to make the step into the premier league.
slacken off a little, by that I guess you mean increase our operational debt a little, yes? Every dollar we spend outside of the FFP rules will result in a dollar fine, spend one too many and it becomes two.
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: I heard a rumour that Alan Curbishley has been approached for the Albion job, he did ok at charlton but I'd be rather concerned if that's the direction we're heading in, he's lost touch a bit now and probably not the answer. Answers from the club are needed now.[/p][/quote]Please no[/p][/quote]Exactly. It is only a rumour and let's hope it stays that way, the question is of course if Oscar does go as appears very possible, who on earth will step in? Really it has to be someone of the calibre of Malcky Mackay, a forward thinking dynamic sort of manager. But, will the issue of funds to improve the squad be a stumbling block once again, as has been the case with Gus, and apparently now Oscar as well? It seems to me we are being a bit too wary of FFP when we could be that little more relaxed, we are not Man City, we will not get a £50 million fine, perhaps the board needs to slacken off just a little to allow us to make the step into the premier league.[/p][/quote]slacken off a little, by that I guess you mean increase our operational debt a little, yes? Every dollar we spend outside of the FFP rules will result in a dollar fine, spend one too many and it becomes two. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

3:50pm Mon 12 May 14

rolivan says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
wiseman of hove wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
I heard a rumour that Alan Curbishley has been approached for the Albion job, he did ok at charlton but I'd be rather concerned if that's the direction we're heading in, he's lost touch a bit now and probably not the answer. Answers from the club are needed now.
Please no
Exactly. It is only a rumour and let's hope it stays that way, the question is of course if Oscar does go as appears very possible, who on earth will step in? Really it has to be someone of the calibre of Malcky Mackay, a forward thinking dynamic sort of manager. But, will the issue of funds to improve the squad be a stumbling block once again, as has been the case with Gus, and apparently now Oscar as well? It seems to me we are being a bit too wary of FFP when we could be that little more relaxed, we are not Man City, we will not get a £50 million fine, perhaps the board needs to slacken off just a little to allow us to make the step into the premier league.
slacken off a little, by that I guess you mean increase our operational debt a little, yes? Every dollar we spend outside of the FFP rules will result in a dollar fine, spend one too many and it becomes two.
Still got the pound in England Vegas.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: I heard a rumour that Alan Curbishley has been approached for the Albion job, he did ok at charlton but I'd be rather concerned if that's the direction we're heading in, he's lost touch a bit now and probably not the answer. Answers from the club are needed now.[/p][/quote]Please no[/p][/quote]Exactly. It is only a rumour and let's hope it stays that way, the question is of course if Oscar does go as appears very possible, who on earth will step in? Really it has to be someone of the calibre of Malcky Mackay, a forward thinking dynamic sort of manager. But, will the issue of funds to improve the squad be a stumbling block once again, as has been the case with Gus, and apparently now Oscar as well? It seems to me we are being a bit too wary of FFP when we could be that little more relaxed, we are not Man City, we will not get a £50 million fine, perhaps the board needs to slacken off just a little to allow us to make the step into the premier league.[/p][/quote]slacken off a little, by that I guess you mean increase our operational debt a little, yes? Every dollar we spend outside of the FFP rules will result in a dollar fine, spend one too many and it becomes two.[/p][/quote]Still got the pound in England Vegas. rolivan
  • Score: 5

3:56pm Mon 12 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
wiseman of hove wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
I heard a rumour that Alan Curbishley has been approached for the Albion job, he did ok at charlton but I'd be rather concerned if that's the direction we're heading in, he's lost touch a bit now and probably not the answer. Answers from the club are needed now.
Please no
Exactly. It is only a rumour and let's hope it stays that way, the question is of course if Oscar does go as appears very possible, who on earth will step in? Really it has to be someone of the calibre of Malcky Mackay, a forward thinking dynamic sort of manager. But, will the issue of funds to improve the squad be a stumbling block once again, as has been the case with Gus, and apparently now Oscar as well? It seems to me we are being a bit too wary of FFP when we could be that little more relaxed, we are not Man City, we will not get a £50 million fine, perhaps the board needs to slacken off just a little to allow us to make the step into the premier league.
slacken off a little, by that I guess you mean increase our operational debt a little, yes? Every dollar we spend outside of the FFP rules will result in a dollar fine, spend one too many and it becomes two.
I don't believe it's as cut and dried as that Vegas, with the income from 25,000 plus people most home games, merchandising etc and the sales of players like Barnes and Bridcutt, there could and should be enough to really improve the squad. If we cannot, or will not spend a little more, then the question is should we be doing better with the resources we do have? As many have pointed out, Burnley have shown the way forward for smaller budgets. Either way, something isn't quite adding up and I'm convinced there is more breathing space than perhaps we are told. Also, small point but it's pounds sterling here, not dollars!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: I heard a rumour that Alan Curbishley has been approached for the Albion job, he did ok at charlton but I'd be rather concerned if that's the direction we're heading in, he's lost touch a bit now and probably not the answer. Answers from the club are needed now.[/p][/quote]Please no[/p][/quote]Exactly. It is only a rumour and let's hope it stays that way, the question is of course if Oscar does go as appears very possible, who on earth will step in? Really it has to be someone of the calibre of Malcky Mackay, a forward thinking dynamic sort of manager. But, will the issue of funds to improve the squad be a stumbling block once again, as has been the case with Gus, and apparently now Oscar as well? It seems to me we are being a bit too wary of FFP when we could be that little more relaxed, we are not Man City, we will not get a £50 million fine, perhaps the board needs to slacken off just a little to allow us to make the step into the premier league.[/p][/quote]slacken off a little, by that I guess you mean increase our operational debt a little, yes? Every dollar we spend outside of the FFP rules will result in a dollar fine, spend one too many and it becomes two.[/p][/quote]I don't believe it's as cut and dried as that Vegas, with the income from 25,000 plus people most home games, merchandising etc and the sales of players like Barnes and Bridcutt, there could and should be enough to really improve the squad. If we cannot, or will not spend a little more, then the question is should we be doing better with the resources we do have? As many have pointed out, Burnley have shown the way forward for smaller budgets. Either way, something isn't quite adding up and I'm convinced there is more breathing space than perhaps we are told. Also, small point but it's pounds sterling here, not dollars! East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 5

4:01pm Mon 12 May 14

Conelli98 says...

IF OG goes it would have to be either Steve Clarke, Sherwood , or Zola but for a real leftfield choice maybe Warnock!
IF OG goes it would have to be either Steve Clarke, Sherwood , or Zola but for a real leftfield choice maybe Warnock! Conelli98
  • Score: -4

4:23pm Mon 12 May 14

WiseOldSeagull says...

Oscar has been 'poised' for talks since 5am. He must have a crick in his neck by now.
Oscar has been 'poised' for talks since 5am. He must have a crick in his neck by now. WiseOldSeagull
  • Score: 4

4:29pm Mon 12 May 14

Tim HH says...

There have been problems behind the scenes ever since Paul Barber joined the club. The sooner he leaves the better.
There have been problems behind the scenes ever since Paul Barber joined the club. The sooner he leaves the better. Tim HH
  • Score: 6

4:32pm Mon 12 May 14

Peteinblack says...

Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
Free money wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
wiseman of hove wrote:
Amidst all the speculation, one thing stands out for me. The appalling injury and fitness issues at this club. Week after week.
But we pick up injury prone players because they are cheap!
We tried to sign Baird who has hardly played a game in 18 months from Reading, I don't have problem selling players if it's..
A ) a good price
B) we have better or we need better and we have someone lined up.
C) they simply won't get a game or needed as back up.
None of those things was the case in Elabds case,
The reason I pick out Dunk is he is the future... If that is the case we won't get above 10 th place next year and will play to gates of 20,000
TK and Bridcutt both think Dunk is so bad he could take the club down next season.
Is it true that you had an ar5ehole transplant and it rejected you?
Is it true that you had an ar5ehole transplant and it rejected you?

Ah, a Monty Python Fan (Is this a 5 minute argument or the full half-hour?).
[quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Free money[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: Amidst all the speculation, one thing stands out for me. The appalling injury and fitness issues at this club. Week after week.[/p][/quote]But we pick up injury prone players because they are cheap! We tried to sign Baird who has hardly played a game in 18 months from Reading, I don't have problem selling players if it's.. A ) a good price B) we have better or we need better and we have someone lined up. C) they simply won't get a game or needed as back up. None of those things was the case in Elabds case, The reason I pick out Dunk is he is the future... If that is the case we won't get above 10 th place next year and will play to gates of 20,000[/p][/quote]TK and Bridcutt both think Dunk is so bad he could take the club down next season.[/p][/quote]Is it true that you had an ar5ehole transplant and it rejected you?[/p][/quote]Is it true that you had an ar5ehole transplant and it rejected you? Ah, a Monty Python Fan (Is this a 5 minute argument or the full half-hour?). Peteinblack
  • Score: 1

4:32pm Mon 12 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
wiseman of hove wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
I heard a rumour that Alan Curbishley has been approached for the Albion job, he did ok at charlton but I'd be rather concerned if that's the direction we're heading in, he's lost touch a bit now and probably not the answer. Answers from the club are needed now.
Please no
Exactly. It is only a rumour and let's hope it stays that way, the question is of course if Oscar does go as appears very possible, who on earth will step in? Really it has to be someone of the calibre of Malcky Mackay, a forward thinking dynamic sort of manager. But, will the issue of funds to improve the squad be a stumbling block once again, as has been the case with Gus, and apparently now Oscar as well? It seems to me we are being a bit too wary of FFP when we could be that little more relaxed, we are not Man City, we will not get a £50 million fine, perhaps the board needs to slacken off just a little to allow us to make the step into the premier league.
slacken off a little, by that I guess you mean increase our operational debt a little, yes? Every dollar we spend outside of the FFP rules will result in a dollar fine, spend one too many and it becomes two.
I don't believe it's as cut and dried as that Vegas, with the income from 25,000 plus people most home games, merchandising etc and the sales of players like Barnes and Bridcutt, there could and should be enough to really improve the squad. If we cannot, or will not spend a little more, then the question is should we be doing better with the resources we do have? As many have pointed out, Burnley have shown the way forward for smaller budgets. Either way, something isn't quite adding up and I'm convinced there is more breathing space than perhaps we are told. Also, small point but it's pounds sterling here, not dollars!
regardless of the gate numbers we lost 14+ millions last year on operational costs, we can't escape that fact.
Many of those whose contracts are running out this summer are from the Poyet era, a time when we opted to over spend on transfer fees and wages, their deals are part of today's problem, that will soon come to an end. If some from this group of players stay, they will see a big cut in wages.
Yep Burnley have done great this year, who else in this division has, they are a one off, and untill recently they have been very fortunate regarding injuries within the small squad.
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: I heard a rumour that Alan Curbishley has been approached for the Albion job, he did ok at charlton but I'd be rather concerned if that's the direction we're heading in, he's lost touch a bit now and probably not the answer. Answers from the club are needed now.[/p][/quote]Please no[/p][/quote]Exactly. It is only a rumour and let's hope it stays that way, the question is of course if Oscar does go as appears very possible, who on earth will step in? Really it has to be someone of the calibre of Malcky Mackay, a forward thinking dynamic sort of manager. But, will the issue of funds to improve the squad be a stumbling block once again, as has been the case with Gus, and apparently now Oscar as well? It seems to me we are being a bit too wary of FFP when we could be that little more relaxed, we are not Man City, we will not get a £50 million fine, perhaps the board needs to slacken off just a little to allow us to make the step into the premier league.[/p][/quote]slacken off a little, by that I guess you mean increase our operational debt a little, yes? Every dollar we spend outside of the FFP rules will result in a dollar fine, spend one too many and it becomes two.[/p][/quote]I don't believe it's as cut and dried as that Vegas, with the income from 25,000 plus people most home games, merchandising etc and the sales of players like Barnes and Bridcutt, there could and should be enough to really improve the squad. If we cannot, or will not spend a little more, then the question is should we be doing better with the resources we do have? As many have pointed out, Burnley have shown the way forward for smaller budgets. Either way, something isn't quite adding up and I'm convinced there is more breathing space than perhaps we are told. Also, small point but it's pounds sterling here, not dollars![/p][/quote]regardless of the gate numbers we lost 14+ millions last year on operational costs, we can't escape that fact. Many of those whose contracts are running out this summer are from the Poyet era, a time when we opted to over spend on transfer fees and wages, their deals are part of today's problem, that will soon come to an end. If some from this group of players stay, they will see a big cut in wages. Yep Burnley have done great this year, who else in this division has, they are a one off, and untill recently they have been very fortunate regarding injuries within the small squad. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

4:43pm Mon 12 May 14

sussexram40 says...

I believe an announcement will be made tomorrow morning confirming that BHA and OG have parted company by mutual consent.
I expect the new boss to be unveiled by the end ot the week to allow him the whole summer to build for next season.
I believe an announcement will be made tomorrow morning confirming that BHA and OG have parted company by mutual consent. I expect the new boss to be unveiled by the end ot the week to allow him the whole summer to build for next season. sussexram40
  • Score: 1

4:48pm Mon 12 May 14

sussexram40 says...

The Guardian is hinting OG may be going to West Ham to replace big Sam.
The Guardian is hinting OG may be going to West Ham to replace big Sam. sussexram40
  • Score: 0

4:50pm Mon 12 May 14

JUPILER says...

First wel done Albion for what has been achieved this season with al the changes.

Somethings do not make sense either the club wants to go forward spend not look at the ffp (nobody else seems to) or say honestley we are a championship club.

Why can the club get no top player to sign,have a nice stadium-big crowds-traininggroun
d up and coming.The reason is wages wages wages.

Now Garcia is thinking of going why????.
First wel done Albion for what has been achieved this season with al the changes. Somethings do not make sense either the club wants to go forward spend not look at the ffp (nobody else seems to) or say honestley we are a championship club. Why can the club get no top player to sign,have a nice stadium-big crowds-traininggroun d up and coming.The reason is wages wages wages. Now Garcia is thinking of going why????. JUPILER
  • Score: 0

4:55pm Mon 12 May 14

SonnyJim55 says...

Lets have a reality check here. All the time Barber is at this club there will be untold friction. Gus was gone as soon as he was employed. Bloom knew the history between them but chose to march on and employ Barber. Barber makes him money,it was nothing to do with football. The Bloom brothers will be gone with full pockets as soon as James Packer pulls up the necessary wollop. You heard it hear first.
Lets have a reality check here. All the time Barber is at this club there will be untold friction. Gus was gone as soon as he was employed. Bloom knew the history between them but chose to march on and employ Barber. Barber makes him money,it was nothing to do with football. The Bloom brothers will be gone with full pockets as soon as James Packer pulls up the necessary wollop. You heard it hear first. SonnyJim55
  • Score: 5

4:57pm Mon 12 May 14

sussexram40 says...

Oh dear, reading around the internet and seems we are almost a club in crisis. Makes you realise what a great job the players have done this season.
Lets face it, Gus is a genius and he was in the right all along.
Get it sorted Barber, Bloom and co.. Or get out.
Oh dear, reading around the internet and seems we are almost a club in crisis. Makes you realise what a great job the players have done this season. Lets face it, Gus is a genius and he was in the right all along. Get it sorted Barber, Bloom and co.. Or get out. sussexram40
  • Score: 3

5:09pm Mon 12 May 14

Jules boy says...

Need to get this sorted within a week, one way or the other. Derby are going up so the Championship is going to be even harder next season with 4 more clubs on parachute payments. Need stability and to start rebuilding for next season now.
Need to get this sorted within a week, one way or the other. Derby are going up so the Championship is going to be even harder next season with 4 more clubs on parachute payments. Need stability and to start rebuilding for next season now. Jules boy
  • Score: 2

5:20pm Mon 12 May 14

Far gull says...

Wow never seen Scores of 100 thumbs down let alone 45 up :-)
Oh dear what another sad end to the season. Not going over old ground .
Questions
Have , injuries to one side, albion under Garcia been better or worse than under Gus .
My answer worse on viewing all home games. At times we were turgid and OG made no changes to spice games up.
How did we get in play offs? I was bemused quite frankly No letting goals in i suppose.
I am all for the club staying financially sound in our new stadium at all costs..
I have never quite understood the need for a 30 million pond training facility at the expense of filling the amex for a few years with good footballers to put butts on seats then gradually sort out training facilities but what i do see is a trend of manager/ head coaches not being allowed to do just that but medling suits dictating who come in . This is not about wages . Spurs fine example of howto do it NOT. They let their director of football spend 100 million !! Has got them no where. Mr Bloom your castle is wobbling please try and sort this out.
Garcia not that bad but not that good either even if he had been allowed to bring in his own.
Wow never seen Scores of 100 thumbs down let alone 45 up :-) Oh dear what another sad end to the season. Not going over old ground . Questions Have , injuries to one side, albion under Garcia been better or worse than under Gus . My answer worse on viewing all home games. At times we were turgid and OG made no changes to spice games up. How did we get in play offs? I was bemused quite frankly No letting goals in i suppose. I am all for the club staying financially sound in our new stadium at all costs.. I have never quite understood the need for a 30 million pond training facility at the expense of filling the amex for a few years with good footballers to put butts on seats then gradually sort out training facilities but what i do see is a trend of manager/ head coaches not being allowed to do just that but medling suits dictating who come in . This is not about wages . Spurs fine example of howto do it NOT. They let their director of football spend 100 million !! Has got them no where. Mr Bloom your castle is wobbling please try and sort this out. Garcia not that bad but not that good either even if he had been allowed to bring in his own. Far gull
  • Score: 0

5:32pm Mon 12 May 14

Alfie T says...

ballantrrae wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
Tony Bloom has some decisions to make, both Gus and now Oscar unhappy with off pitch dealings.One thing is certain, Oscar will conduct himself with quiet dignity, if he stays or goes there will be no slating of our football club.
Good point Alfie T regarding two Managers reacting over the same issue but in very different ways. A certain quotation from another Oscar (Wilde) comes to mind - Lady Bracknell's about losing two parents in the Importance of Being Earnest.
A number of posters (myself included) have questioned how effective DB is as Head of Football Operations in delivering what our Managers/Head Coaches require. Something does not seem to be working in this respect and TB needs to examine this urgently and decide whether the problem lies with the structure or with the individual concerned ie DB.
This is too important an issue to be neglected and if we are to be 'Premier :League Ready' has to be addressed ASAP so that we do not suffer the same hiatus this Summer that we did last.
Whether Oscar is persuaded to stay or someone else (Moyes, Sherwood Mackay etc) takes over as Manager we need that person to be on board or confirmed in Oscar's case rapidly so they can restructure the squad given the large number of players out of contract or returning to their parent clubs.
There is one X factor floating around and that is the question of FFP. Whilst we seem to be keeping in line with the regulations others are not but unfortunately the imposing of any sanctions on clubs breaking the rules is unlikely before the summer transfer window has closed. This will probably affect our ability to recruit potential new signings. The decision therefore from UEFA re Manchester City and the potential imposing of the reported £50 million fine is of paramount importance in indicating whether FFP is likely to have any teeth.
Important decisions therefore need to be made promptly by TB, by Oscar and by UEFA.
Interesting but potentially worrying times. Whatever happens as far as the Albion is concerned I have confidence that TB will continue to move the club forward and I look forward to supporting the club next season.
Finally regardless of whether Oscar stays or departs he has achieved much in steering us to the play-offs.
UTA.
According to the Guardian, he is on his way,same frustrations as Poyet. Villa and West Ham monitoring the situation. Have to say, leaves me feeling sad that another talented young manager feels he is better away from the Albion.

A shiny new stadium and training facility will only get us so far, if we don't back our managers and provide the right product pitch side then the fans will surely drift away. TB is still a very young and inexperienced chairman, however he is a very wealthy guy who has made his money probably making tough and un popular decisions.

It will be interesting watching this unfold over the next couple of weeks, I hope OG stays and finishes the job, but he must be given the backing with finance and recruitment.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: Tony Bloom has some decisions to make, both Gus and now Oscar unhappy with off pitch dealings.One thing is certain, Oscar will conduct himself with quiet dignity, if he stays or goes there will be no slating of our football club.[/p][/quote]Good point Alfie T regarding two Managers reacting over the same issue but in very different ways. A certain quotation from another Oscar (Wilde) comes to mind - Lady Bracknell's about losing two parents in the Importance of Being Earnest. A number of posters (myself included) have questioned how effective DB is as Head of Football Operations in delivering what our Managers/Head Coaches require. Something does not seem to be working in this respect and TB needs to examine this urgently and decide whether the problem lies with the structure or with the individual concerned ie DB. This is too important an issue to be neglected and if we are to be 'Premier :League Ready' has to be addressed ASAP so that we do not suffer the same hiatus this Summer that we did last. Whether Oscar is persuaded to stay or someone else (Moyes, Sherwood Mackay etc) takes over as Manager we need that person to be on board or confirmed in Oscar's case rapidly so they can restructure the squad given the large number of players out of contract or returning to their parent clubs. There is one X factor floating around and that is the question of FFP. Whilst we seem to be keeping in line with the regulations others are not but unfortunately the imposing of any sanctions on clubs breaking the rules is unlikely before the summer transfer window has closed. This will probably affect our ability to recruit potential new signings. The decision therefore from UEFA re Manchester City and the potential imposing of the reported £50 million fine is of paramount importance in indicating whether FFP is likely to have any teeth. Important decisions therefore need to be made promptly by TB, by Oscar and by UEFA. Interesting but potentially worrying times. Whatever happens as far as the Albion is concerned I have confidence that TB will continue to move the club forward and I look forward to supporting the club next season. Finally regardless of whether Oscar stays or departs he has achieved much in steering us to the play-offs. UTA.[/p][/quote]According to the Guardian, he is on his way,same frustrations as Poyet. Villa and West Ham monitoring the situation. Have to say, leaves me feeling sad that another talented young manager feels he is better away from the Albion. A shiny new stadium and training facility will only get us so far, if we don't back our managers and provide the right product pitch side then the fans will surely drift away. TB is still a very young and inexperienced chairman, however he is a very wealthy guy who has made his money probably making tough and un popular decisions. It will be interesting watching this unfold over the next couple of weeks, I hope OG stays and finishes the job, but he must be given the backing with finance and recruitment. Alfie T
  • Score: 2

5:33pm Mon 12 May 14

tug509 says...

A lot of us have at some stage of the season had a little gripe at Oscar`s team choices or tactics ,but i as one of those ,absolutely do not want to see him leave ,what i do want is for Oscar to be given a decent budget to build his own team.I have never liked DOF`s and if it is a case of "The Suits" running and picking our players,then TB needs to put some serious effort into sorting this mess out ,and if need be kick out those suits,because they wont win anything ,but Oscar might !. Out of all involved with our Great club ,i believe Oscar has been the most hamstrung ! ,do we really wont to loose him ?. UTA
A lot of us have at some stage of the season had a little gripe at Oscar`s team choices or tactics ,but i as one of those ,absolutely do not want to see him leave ,what i do want is for Oscar to be given a decent budget to build his own team.I have never liked DOF`s and if it is a case of "The Suits" running and picking our players,then TB needs to put some serious effort into sorting this mess out ,and if need be kick out those suits,because they wont win anything ,but Oscar might !. Out of all involved with our Great club ,i believe Oscar has been the most hamstrung ! ,do we really wont to loose him ?. UTA tug509
  • Score: 4

5:37pm Mon 12 May 14

Thread Flintstone says...

Seems to me that a lot of people on here have forgotten how TB rescued this club from the abyss, built us a new stadium, is building for the future with a new academy. As said many times before lets not forget where we were before TB rescued his and our club. He has not got an endless pot of money and as we know , he is definitely not making any money from the club. Cut the bloke some slack
Seems to me that a lot of people on here have forgotten how TB rescued this club from the abyss, built us a new stadium, is building for the future with a new academy. As said many times before lets not forget where we were before TB rescued his and our club. He has not got an endless pot of money and as we know , he is definitely not making any money from the club. Cut the bloke some slack Thread Flintstone
  • Score: 1

5:42pm Mon 12 May 14

SonnyJim55 says...

Thread Flintstone wrote:
Seems to me that a lot of people on here have forgotten how TB rescued this club from the abyss, built us a new stadium, is building for the future with a new academy. As said many times before lets not forget where we were before TB rescued his and our club. He has not got an endless pot of money and as we know , he is definitely not making any money from the club. Cut the bloke some slack
He may not be making any money from the club but he is building the club up, stadium, training ground etc ready for sale. There is no club or town loyalty here this is all about money and when he finally makes the permanent move to Australia the club will be sold
[quote][p][bold]Thread Flintstone[/bold] wrote: Seems to me that a lot of people on here have forgotten how TB rescued this club from the abyss, built us a new stadium, is building for the future with a new academy. As said many times before lets not forget where we were before TB rescued his and our club. He has not got an endless pot of money and as we know , he is definitely not making any money from the club. Cut the bloke some slack[/p][/quote]He may not be making any money from the club but he is building the club up, stadium, training ground etc ready for sale. There is no club or town loyalty here this is all about money and when he finally makes the permanent move to Australia the club will be sold SonnyJim55
  • Score: -1

5:47pm Mon 12 May 14

mark by the sea says...

SonnyJim55 wrote:
Thread Flintstone wrote:
Seems to me that a lot of people on here have forgotten how TB rescued this club from the abyss, built us a new stadium, is building for the future with a new academy. As said many times before lets not forget where we were before TB rescued his and our club. He has not got an endless pot of money and as we know , he is definitely not making any money from the club. Cut the bloke some slack
He may not be making any money from the club but he is building the club up, stadium, training ground etc ready for sale. There is no club or town loyalty here this is all about money and when he finally makes the permanent move to Australia the club will be sold
What rubbish you talk, TB does not live here, infact he can only spend I think 42 days a year here before having to pay tax, basically he is avoiding tax or living in Australia which ever you prefer, he also spends a large amount of time in Hong Kong .
[quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thread Flintstone[/bold] wrote: Seems to me that a lot of people on here have forgotten how TB rescued this club from the abyss, built us a new stadium, is building for the future with a new academy. As said many times before lets not forget where we were before TB rescued his and our club. He has not got an endless pot of money and as we know , he is definitely not making any money from the club. Cut the bloke some slack[/p][/quote]He may not be making any money from the club but he is building the club up, stadium, training ground etc ready for sale. There is no club or town loyalty here this is all about money and when he finally makes the permanent move to Australia the club will be sold[/p][/quote]What rubbish you talk, TB does not live here, infact he can only spend I think 42 days a year here before having to pay tax, basically he is avoiding tax or living in Australia which ever you prefer, he also spends a large amount of time in Hong Kong . mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

5:49pm Mon 12 May 14

Claude Back says...

Far gull wrote:
Wow never seen Scores of 100 thumbs down let alone 45 up :-)
Oh dear what another sad end to the season. Not going over old ground .
Questions
Have , injuries to one side, albion under Garcia been better or worse than under Gus .
My answer worse on viewing all home games. At times we were turgid and OG made no changes to spice games up.
How did we get in play offs? I was bemused quite frankly No letting goals in i suppose.
I am all for the club staying financially sound in our new stadium at all costs..
I have never quite understood the need for a 30 million pond training facility at the expense of filling the amex for a few years with good footballers to put butts on seats then gradually sort out training facilities but what i do see is a trend of manager/ head coaches not being allowed to do just that but medling suits dictating who come in . This is not about wages . Spurs fine example of howto do it NOT. They let their director of football spend 100 million !! Has got them no where. Mr Bloom your castle is wobbling please try and sort this out.
Garcia not that bad but not that good either even if he had been allowed to bring in his own.
Very good.
On the evidence presented I am attracted to and persuaded by your arguments.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Wow never seen Scores of 100 thumbs down let alone 45 up :-) Oh dear what another sad end to the season. Not going over old ground . Questions Have , injuries to one side, albion under Garcia been better or worse than under Gus . My answer worse on viewing all home games. At times we were turgid and OG made no changes to spice games up. How did we get in play offs? I was bemused quite frankly No letting goals in i suppose. I am all for the club staying financially sound in our new stadium at all costs.. I have never quite understood the need for a 30 million pond training facility at the expense of filling the amex for a few years with good footballers to put butts on seats then gradually sort out training facilities but what i do see is a trend of manager/ head coaches not being allowed to do just that but medling suits dictating who come in . This is not about wages . Spurs fine example of howto do it NOT. They let their director of football spend 100 million !! Has got them no where. Mr Bloom your castle is wobbling please try and sort this out. Garcia not that bad but not that good either even if he had been allowed to bring in his own.[/p][/quote]Very good. On the evidence presented I am attracted to and persuaded by your arguments. Claude Back
  • Score: 0

6:04pm Mon 12 May 14

mark5 says...

sussexram40 wrote:
I believe an announcement will be made tomorrow morning confirming that BHA and OG have parted company by mutual consent.
I expect the new boss to be unveiled by the end ot the week to allow him the whole summer to build for next season.
You seem very well informed on this? How is this? I really hope you are wrong, however, I suspect you may be right...............
....................
...! What a total mess................
........again!
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: I believe an announcement will be made tomorrow morning confirming that BHA and OG have parted company by mutual consent. I expect the new boss to be unveiled by the end ot the week to allow him the whole summer to build for next season.[/p][/quote]You seem very well informed on this? How is this? I really hope you are wrong, however, I suspect you may be right............... .................... ...! What a total mess................ ........again! mark5
  • Score: 0

6:10pm Mon 12 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

MBTS, spot on, accounts can be made to look like pretty much anything you want them to but can a football club do that?

The price we pay to buy a player can't be manipulated, it is what it is and two clubs have to enter these numbers into their accounts, the seller and the buyer.
A players wages can't be manipulated, we claim them as an expense and the player declares them as income. Gate receipts are hard to manipulate as most of these transactions are recorded on computers. The money gained from sponsorship is written off for tax purposes by the giver, our earnings figure would have to match their figure.
We could under declare the earnings from perishables such as pies and beer, but would it be worth the risk? I can't think of any item where serious money is involved where we could, or would, cook the books, perhaps you can.
MBTS, spot on, accounts can be made to look like pretty much anything you want them to but can a football club do that? The price we pay to buy a player can't be manipulated, it is what it is and two clubs have to enter these numbers into their accounts, the seller and the buyer. A players wages can't be manipulated, we claim them as an expense and the player declares them as income. Gate receipts are hard to manipulate as most of these transactions are recorded on computers. The money gained from sponsorship is written off for tax purposes by the giver, our earnings figure would have to match their figure. We could under declare the earnings from perishables such as pies and beer, but would it be worth the risk? I can't think of any item where serious money is involved where we could, or would, cook the books, perhaps you can. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

6:15pm Mon 12 May 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

The rumour mill is working overtime.
All I know is something is not right at the Albion and TB needs to sort it and fast.
I hope Oscar stays but it looks like things will have to change for him to do that. If things stay as they are he will go and the new man will come in and if things still stay as they are we're back to square one this time next year.
We lost a good coach in Gus. I hope we're not about to lose another. UTA
The rumour mill is working overtime. All I know is something is not right at the Albion and TB needs to sort it and fast. I hope Oscar stays but it looks like things will have to change for him to do that. If things stay as they are he will go and the new man will come in and if things still stay as they are we're back to square one this time next year. We lost a good coach in Gus. I hope we're not about to lose another. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 1

6:26pm Mon 12 May 14

mark5 says...

If events turn out in the way that many of us now believe it might, where does this leave the club for next term. The reality is that the team will be completely different from this year, with many departing, some of which will be no surprise and perhaps some of which will be! Given that we are financially restrained, not only with the tedium of fair play rules, but also with what TB is able/prepared to do, to build the new team. Does this mean that that the focus will be on younger, less experienced/expensiv
e players and if so, will we be entering a few seasons of consolidation and lower to mid table finishes as the accepted position. Will the "fringe" fans still turn out and if not where does the playing budget go in response? So many questions, few of which I would have anticipated, given that we have finished 6th in the second highest tier of English football!! Unhappy days indeed..............
....................
....UTA! Brighton 'till I die!
If events turn out in the way that many of us now believe it might, where does this leave the club for next term. The reality is that the team will be completely different from this year, with many departing, some of which will be no surprise and perhaps some of which will be! Given that we are financially restrained, not only with the tedium of fair play rules, but also with what TB is able/prepared to do, to build the new team. Does this mean that that the focus will be on younger, less experienced/expensiv e players and if so, will we be entering a few seasons of consolidation and lower to mid table finishes as the accepted position. Will the "fringe" fans still turn out and if not where does the playing budget go in response? So many questions, few of which I would have anticipated, given that we have finished 6th in the second highest tier of English football!! Unhappy days indeed.............. .................... ....UTA! Brighton 'till I die! mark5
  • Score: 0

6:26pm Mon 12 May 14

SonnyJim55 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
SonnyJim55 wrote:
Thread Flintstone wrote:
Seems to me that a lot of people on here have forgotten how TB rescued this club from the abyss, built us a new stadium, is building for the future with a new academy. As said many times before lets not forget where we were before TB rescued his and our club. He has not got an endless pot of money and as we know , he is definitely not making any money from the club. Cut the bloke some slack
He may not be making any money from the club but he is building the club up, stadium, training ground etc ready for sale. There is no club or town loyalty here this is all about money and when he finally makes the permanent move to Australia the club will be sold
What rubbish you talk, TB does not live here, infact he can only spend I think 42 days a year here before having to pay tax, basically he is avoiding tax or living in Australia which ever you prefer, he also spends a large amount of time in Hong Kong .
You can rubbish my comments all you like, come back to me when I am proved correct!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thread Flintstone[/bold] wrote: Seems to me that a lot of people on here have forgotten how TB rescued this club from the abyss, built us a new stadium, is building for the future with a new academy. As said many times before lets not forget where we were before TB rescued his and our club. He has not got an endless pot of money and as we know , he is definitely not making any money from the club. Cut the bloke some slack[/p][/quote]He may not be making any money from the club but he is building the club up, stadium, training ground etc ready for sale. There is no club or town loyalty here this is all about money and when he finally makes the permanent move to Australia the club will be sold[/p][/quote]What rubbish you talk, TB does not live here, infact he can only spend I think 42 days a year here before having to pay tax, basically he is avoiding tax or living in Australia which ever you prefer, he also spends a large amount of time in Hong Kong .[/p][/quote]You can rubbish my comments all you like, come back to me when I am proved correct! SonnyJim55
  • Score: 3

12:41am Wed 14 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

Neville wrote:
West stander No TB was not shown on tv yesterday of the two baton men in front of McLaren was another member of the Bloom family
Indeed. Darren Bloom I believe. However, Tony bloom was in attendance (friends of mine shared a train with him).
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: West stander No TB was not shown on tv yesterday of the two baton men in front of McLaren was another member of the Bloom family[/p][/quote]Indeed. Darren Bloom I believe. However, Tony bloom was in attendance (friends of mine shared a train with him). Captain Haddock
  • Score: 0

12:42am Wed 14 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

Neville wrote:
West stander No TB was not shown on tv yesterday of the two baton men in front of McLaren was another member of the Bloom family
Indeed. Darren Bloom I believe. However, Tony bloom was in attendance (friends of mine shared a train with him).
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: West stander No TB was not shown on tv yesterday of the two baton men in front of McLaren was another member of the Bloom family[/p][/quote]Indeed. Darren Bloom I believe. However, Tony bloom was in attendance (friends of mine shared a train with him). Captain Haddock
  • Score: 0

12:42am Wed 14 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

Neville wrote:
West stander No TB was not shown on tv yesterday of the two baton men in front of McLaren was another member of the Bloom family
Indeed. Darren Bloom I believe. However, Tony bloom was in attendance (friends of mine shared a train with him).
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: West stander No TB was not shown on tv yesterday of the two baton men in front of McLaren was another member of the Bloom family[/p][/quote]Indeed. Darren Bloom I believe. However, Tony bloom was in attendance (friends of mine shared a train with him). Captain Haddock
  • Score: 0

1:14am Wed 14 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

Neville wrote:
West stander No TB was not shown on tv yesterday of the two baton men in front of McLaren was another member of the Bloom family
Indeed. Darren Bloom I believe. However, Tony bloom was in attendance (friends of mine shared a train with him).
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: West stander No TB was not shown on tv yesterday of the two baton men in front of McLaren was another member of the Bloom family[/p][/quote]Indeed. Darren Bloom I believe. However, Tony bloom was in attendance (friends of mine shared a train with him). Captain Haddock
  • Score: 0

6:58am Wed 14 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

Neville wrote:
West stander No TB was not shown on tv yesterday of the two baton men in front of McLaren was another member of the Bloom family
Indeed. Darren Bloom I believe. However, Tony bloom was in attendance (friends of mine shared a train with him).
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: West stander No TB was not shown on tv yesterday of the two baton men in front of McLaren was another member of the Bloom family[/p][/quote]Indeed. Darren Bloom I believe. However, Tony bloom was in attendance (friends of mine shared a train with him). Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

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