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Talking point: What should happen now for Albion coach Oscar Garcia?

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What should happen next with Albion coach Oscar Garcia after reports emerged last night that he offered to resign following the Championship semi-final play-off defeat against Derby County? Should he stay or should he go?

We would love to know what you think so join the debate here and have your say?

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11:46am Mon 12 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

It depends on whether he really wants to go, or if - feeling intense disappointment - he has offered to fall on his metaphorical sword in a "if you want me to go, I will" kind of way.
It depends on whether he really wants to go, or if - feeling intense disappointment - he has offered to fall on his metaphorical sword in a "if you want me to go, I will" kind of way. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -2

11:53am Mon 12 May 14

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

Something of a moot point. OG has shown himself a man of considered action and few words. Therefore, I suspect that if he has actually voiced his resignation it's because he definitely wants away, not that he wants to be charmed to stay. Next...
Something of a moot point. OG has shown himself a man of considered action and few words. Therefore, I suspect that if he has actually voiced his resignation it's because he definitely wants away, not that he wants to be charmed to stay. Next... Willie, Willie Irvine
  • Score: 5

11:58am Mon 12 May 14

jockithenoo says...

Here we go again top six.
Then the manager wants to go.
I'm not sure what the problem is but this is my opinion.
Oscar may have been promised the stars but only got enough petrol money to get to the moon.
I like Oscar and think he could take us the the premier league but only if the money is invested if not he will go.
Another closed season WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING! !!!!!
I sincerely hope not
UTA
Here we go again top six. Then the manager wants to go. I'm not sure what the problem is but this is my opinion. Oscar may have been promised the stars but only got enough petrol money to get to the moon. I like Oscar and think he could take us the the premier league but only if the money is invested if not he will go. Another closed season WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING! !!!!! I sincerely hope not UTA jockithenoo
  • Score: 4

11:59am Mon 12 May 14

JPsseagulls says...

I think I would like to see him have another season with improved financial backing so that he can purchase the players that he feels that we need and I have faith that he will do that. If things have not improved by this time next season then maybe it simply isn't meant to be. I can't also help but wonder whether we simply need an experienced English manager who can simply get us out of this league...Whatever happens I have enjoyed this season and look forward to the next no matter what happens. I (like many) could only dream of playing in the championship play offs with millions of people watching a few years ago! COME ON ALBION AUTOMATIC PROMOTION NEXT SEASON.
I think I would like to see him have another season with improved financial backing so that he can purchase the players that he feels that we need and I have faith that he will do that. If things have not improved by this time next season then maybe it simply isn't meant to be. I can't also help but wonder whether we simply need an experienced English manager who can simply get us out of this league...Whatever happens I have enjoyed this season and look forward to the next no matter what happens. I (like many) could only dream of playing in the championship play offs with millions of people watching a few years ago! COME ON ALBION AUTOMATIC PROMOTION NEXT SEASON. JPsseagulls
  • Score: 18

12:07pm Mon 12 May 14

Claude Back says...

jockithenoo wrote:
Here we go again top six.
Then the manager wants to go.
I'm not sure what the problem is but this is my opinion.
Oscar may have been promised the stars but only got enough petrol money to get to the moon.
I like Oscar and think he could take us the the premier league but only if the money is invested if not he will go.
Another closed season WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING! !!!!!
I sincerely hope not
UTA
'Oscar may have been promised the stars but only got enough petrol money to get to the moon.'
Nice turn of phrase, Jock. Made me laugh.
[quote][p][bold]jockithenoo[/bold] wrote: Here we go again top six. Then the manager wants to go. I'm not sure what the problem is but this is my opinion. Oscar may have been promised the stars but only got enough petrol money to get to the moon. I like Oscar and think he could take us the the premier league but only if the money is invested if not he will go. Another closed season WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING! !!!!! I sincerely hope not UTA[/p][/quote]'Oscar may have been promised the stars but only got enough petrol money to get to the moon.' Nice turn of phrase, Jock. Made me laugh. Claude Back
  • Score: -1

12:16pm Mon 12 May 14

lighteninglee says...

oscar has done well not knowing the English game having a injurie hit squad made up with to many loanies. and 2nd season in a row we are in the play offs. tony should let oscar know he has done a good job and give him financial support to build a team to take us to the premiership.
oscar has done well not knowing the English game having a injurie hit squad made up with to many loanies. and 2nd season in a row we are in the play offs. tony should let oscar know he has done a good job and give him financial support to build a team to take us to the premiership. lighteninglee
  • Score: 17

12:59pm Mon 12 May 14

PaulJo says...

I'm in two minds on this

Yes, he's done fantastically well considering the injuries we've had, he's new to English football, and holding the best defensive record in the division.

...but, there's just something I can't quite put my finger on missing with his management style. Maybe I'm too old school, but I like to see managers capable of inspiring players when needed. I like to see teams capable of destroying the opposition with pacey attacks when needed, and too many times at home this season I've wondered when the attacking intent was coming, only to see it turn-up too late in the game.

Would I like to see Oscar have a 2nd season here? Very close call, but probably yes.......maybe

I honestly don't think he will be here though, I think he's off
I'm in two minds on this Yes, he's done fantastically well considering the injuries we've had, he's new to English football, and holding the best defensive record in the division. ...but, there's just something I can't quite put my finger on missing with his management style. Maybe I'm too old school, but I like to see managers capable of inspiring players when needed. I like to see teams capable of destroying the opposition with pacey attacks when needed, and too many times at home this season I've wondered when the attacking intent was coming, only to see it turn-up too late in the game. Would I like to see Oscar have a 2nd season here? Very close call, but probably yes.......maybe I honestly don't think he will be here though, I think he's off PaulJo
  • Score: 12

1:09pm Mon 12 May 14

WoodingdeanDS says...

Purchasing the players he needs is undoubtedly an issue - but who decides that may not rest with OG , hence the discussions with TB.
Purchasing the players he needs is undoubtedly an issue - but who decides that may not rest with OG , hence the discussions with TB. WoodingdeanDS
  • Score: 4

1:22pm Mon 12 May 14

lotsofducks says...

Garcia may not be the best manager in the world, or even in the division, but he's a very long way from the worst. Last year we had no manager for months between seasons and this cost us a flying start to the new season. My feeling is that the downsides to staying with him outweigh those of having to start over with a new manager (or even finding one!). So, please stay Oscar!
Garcia may not be the best manager in the world, or even in the division, but he's a very long way from the worst. Last year we had no manager for months between seasons and this cost us a flying start to the new season. My feeling is that the downsides to staying with him outweigh those of having to start over with a new manager (or even finding one!). So, please stay Oscar! lotsofducks
  • Score: 3

1:39pm Mon 12 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

If giving Oscar, or any new manager, more money to spend in the transfer market is the answer to the problem, where does the money come from?

How about the ticket price for home matches goes up by ten pounds.
Add fifty pence to every pint sold , add fifty pence to every pie sold and charge more for the program. In fact raise the price on everything. It costs a lot to see a home match but let's make it even more expensive for the fans. my guess is those increases could bring in another ten to fifteen million a year, that is of course only if people can afford to attend home matches.
I know that the answer to proposed high increases in match day costs is a resounding NO. How can the club expect the fans topay more when they are already spending so much, but isn't that what you are calling for Bloom to do, spend a lot more when he has already spent so much?

Calling for more spending is understandable, but at least offer a suggestion as to how to raise that extra spending, or do you think that Bloom has unlimited resources.
If giving Oscar, or any new manager, more money to spend in the transfer market is the answer to the problem, where does the money come from? How about the ticket price for home matches goes up by ten pounds. Add fifty pence to every pint sold , add fifty pence to every pie sold and charge more for the program. In fact raise the price on everything. It costs a lot to see a home match but let's make it even more expensive for the fans. my guess is those increases could bring in another ten to fifteen million a year, that is of course only if people can afford to attend home matches. I know that the answer to proposed high increases in match day costs is a resounding NO. How can the club expect the fans topay more when they are already spending so much, but isn't that what you are calling for Bloom to do, spend a lot more when he has already spent so much? Calling for more spending is understandable, but at least offer a suggestion as to how to raise that extra spending, or do you think that Bloom has unlimited resources. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

1:42pm Mon 12 May 14

rolivan says...

I would like him to stay but he is a better Coach than Manager I don't know what Nathan Jones brings to the table but maybe he needs replacing with a more motivational type Assistant to OG.
I would like him to stay but he is a better Coach than Manager I don't know what Nathan Jones brings to the table but maybe he needs replacing with a more motivational type Assistant to OG. rolivan
  • Score: 5

1:48pm Mon 12 May 14

rolivan says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If giving Oscar, or any new manager, more money to spend in the transfer market is the answer to the problem, where does the money come from?

How about the ticket price for home matches goes up by ten pounds.
Add fifty pence to every pint sold , add fifty pence to every pie sold and charge more for the program. In fact raise the price on everything. It costs a lot to see a home match but let's make it even more expensive for the fans. my guess is those increases could bring in another ten to fifteen million a year, that is of course only if people can afford to attend home matches.
I know that the answer to proposed high increases in match day costs is a resounding NO. How can the club expect the fans topay more when they are already spending so much, but isn't that what you are calling for Bloom to do, spend a lot more when he has already spent so much?

Calling for more spending is understandable, but at least offer a suggestion as to how to raise that extra spending, or do you think that Bloom has unlimited resources.
Vegas TB cannot put in anymore it has to come from income I think he is allowed to put in £3 million from now on per year . How times have changed that was probably more than all the players wages not that long ago.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If giving Oscar, or any new manager, more money to spend in the transfer market is the answer to the problem, where does the money come from? How about the ticket price for home matches goes up by ten pounds. Add fifty pence to every pint sold , add fifty pence to every pie sold and charge more for the program. In fact raise the price on everything. It costs a lot to see a home match but let's make it even more expensive for the fans. my guess is those increases could bring in another ten to fifteen million a year, that is of course only if people can afford to attend home matches. I know that the answer to proposed high increases in match day costs is a resounding NO. How can the club expect the fans topay more when they are already spending so much, but isn't that what you are calling for Bloom to do, spend a lot more when he has already spent so much? Calling for more spending is understandable, but at least offer a suggestion as to how to raise that extra spending, or do you think that Bloom has unlimited resources.[/p][/quote]Vegas TB cannot put in anymore it has to come from income I think he is allowed to put in £3 million from now on per year . How times have changed that was probably more than all the players wages not that long ago. rolivan
  • Score: 2

1:58pm Mon 12 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

rolivan wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
If giving Oscar, or any new manager, more money to spend in the transfer market is the answer to the problem, where does the money come from?

How about the ticket price for home matches goes up by ten pounds.
Add fifty pence to every pint sold , add fifty pence to every pie sold and charge more for the program. In fact raise the price on everything. It costs a lot to see a home match but let's make it even more expensive for the fans. my guess is those increases could bring in another ten to fifteen million a year, that is of course only if people can afford to attend home matches.
I know that the answer to proposed high increases in match day costs is a resounding NO. How can the club expect the fans topay more when they are already spending so much, but isn't that what you are calling for Bloom to do, spend a lot more when he has already spent so much?

Calling for more spending is understandable, but at least offer a suggestion as to how to raise that extra spending, or do you think that Bloom has unlimited resources.
Vegas TB cannot put in anymore it has to come from income I think he is allowed to put in £3 million from now on per year . How times have changed that was probably more than all the players wages not that long ago.
Rolivan you are right, the FFP rules limits what an owner can do with regards to injecting cash money, and that is partly my point. Revenues must be increased and that increase can only come from selling off the family silverware, increasing fan costs or having Bloom throw in yet more money. We don't want to sell our gems, the fans certainly spend enough already so that just leaves Bloom.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If giving Oscar, or any new manager, more money to spend in the transfer market is the answer to the problem, where does the money come from? How about the ticket price for home matches goes up by ten pounds. Add fifty pence to every pint sold , add fifty pence to every pie sold and charge more for the program. In fact raise the price on everything. It costs a lot to see a home match but let's make it even more expensive for the fans. my guess is those increases could bring in another ten to fifteen million a year, that is of course only if people can afford to attend home matches. I know that the answer to proposed high increases in match day costs is a resounding NO. How can the club expect the fans topay more when they are already spending so much, but isn't that what you are calling for Bloom to do, spend a lot more when he has already spent so much? Calling for more spending is understandable, but at least offer a suggestion as to how to raise that extra spending, or do you think that Bloom has unlimited resources.[/p][/quote]Vegas TB cannot put in anymore it has to come from income I think he is allowed to put in £3 million from now on per year . How times have changed that was probably more than all the players wages not that long ago.[/p][/quote]Rolivan you are right, the FFP rules limits what an owner can do with regards to injecting cash money, and that is partly my point. Revenues must be increased and that increase can only come from selling off the family silverware, increasing fan costs or having Bloom throw in yet more money. We don't want to sell our gems, the fans certainly spend enough already so that just leaves Bloom. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

2:00pm Mon 12 May 14

MileOakSEAGULL says...

I agree that he should stay, but only if he is 100% committed to the cause and gets the backing that he feels he needs. He has done very well given the circumstances surrounding his arrival following last summers GP debacle and the injuries. BUT... we need a plan B. For all of our possession, albeit normally in our own half, we have too often sadly looked very slow on the counter. I have also been frustrated over the apparent reluctance to change the system when needed and play 2 strikers upfront, even with our attacking midfielders on the pitch at the same time. On the balance of play, our defence is great but when you see that we scored just 1 more goal than Yeovil, who got relegated, then clearly the problem lies with not enough attacking urgency with our possession play. We need more Zip, accuracy and forward passing. We may concede a few more goals by changing the system to a 2 striker line up, when necessary, but surely we will more than make this up with goals scored and that will be the difference next season IMHO. UTA - bring on the new season...
I agree that he should stay, but only if he is 100% committed to the cause and gets the backing that he feels he needs. He has done very well given the circumstances surrounding his arrival following last summers GP debacle and the injuries. BUT... we need a plan B. For all of our possession, albeit normally in our own half, we have too often sadly looked very slow on the counter. I have also been frustrated over the apparent reluctance to change the system when needed and play 2 strikers upfront, even with our attacking midfielders on the pitch at the same time. On the balance of play, our defence is great but when you see that we scored just 1 more goal than Yeovil, who got relegated, then clearly the problem lies with not enough attacking urgency with our possession play. We need more Zip, accuracy and forward passing. We may concede a few more goals by changing the system to a 2 striker line up, when necessary, but surely we will more than make this up with goals scored and that will be the difference next season IMHO. UTA - bring on the new season... MileOakSEAGULL
  • Score: 9

2:08pm Mon 12 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

It might be that our two most recently announced sponsorship deals will solve some of the financial issues. The selling of the new facility naming rights and the new shirt deal, could be worth several millions, as yet the figures involved have not been made public, and probably never will be.
Assuming that we got two decent deals spread over a number of years, part of this, new income, might find it's way directly to the transfer kitty. Even if this money is used to slash our operational debt, that should still mean that the budget can be raised as money currently being diverted to service that debt would be reduced. We should not forget that this new money is unlikely to be paid to us in a lump sum, more likely it's a yearly payment, so don't expect double figure millions to be made available over night.
It might be that our two most recently announced sponsorship deals will solve some of the financial issues. The selling of the new facility naming rights and the new shirt deal, could be worth several millions, as yet the figures involved have not been made public, and probably never will be. Assuming that we got two decent deals spread over a number of years, part of this, new income, might find it's way directly to the transfer kitty. Even if this money is used to slash our operational debt, that should still mean that the budget can be raised as money currently being diverted to service that debt would be reduced. We should not forget that this new money is unlikely to be paid to us in a lump sum, more likely it's a yearly payment, so don't expect double figure millions to be made available over night. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

2:09pm Mon 12 May 14

mikeygit says...

I think Oscar should be given another season IF he wants it--but his heart HAS to be in the job and if it is not then let him go. BUT whoever replaces him HAS to be given more reins to do the job. The team HAS to be more attractive to watch. I think the pivotal stats for this season is the average number of goals we have scored this season per game---ONE!!! Not good enough for promotion. Another season where things have to change. AND then we need some stability in the Club--we cannot have season after season to be left in turmoil!!
I think Oscar should be given another season IF he wants it--but his heart HAS to be in the job and if it is not then let him go. BUT whoever replaces him HAS to be given more reins to do the job. The team HAS to be more attractive to watch. I think the pivotal stats for this season is the average number of goals we have scored this season per game---ONE!!! Not good enough for promotion. Another season where things have to change. AND then we need some stability in the Club--we cannot have season after season to be left in turmoil!! mikeygit
  • Score: 5

2:30pm Mon 12 May 14

BIG TROUBLE says...

MileOakSEAGULL wrote:
I agree that he should stay, but only if he is 100% committed to the cause and gets the backing that he feels he needs. He has done very well given the circumstances surrounding his arrival following last summers GP debacle and the injuries. BUT... we need a plan B. For all of our possession, albeit normally in our own half, we have too often sadly looked very slow on the counter. I have also been frustrated over the apparent reluctance to change the system when needed and play 2 strikers upfront, even with our attacking midfielders on the pitch at the same time. On the balance of play, our defence is great but when you see that we scored just 1 more goal than Yeovil, who got relegated, then clearly the problem lies with not enough attacking urgency with our possession play. We need more Zip, accuracy and forward passing. We may concede a few more goals by changing the system to a 2 striker line up, when necessary, but surely we will more than make this up with goals scored and that will be the difference next season IMHO. UTA - bring on the new season...
Could not agree more attack attack attack
Score more goals than you concede one word
DERBY !!
UTA
[quote][p][bold]MileOakSEAGULL[/bold] wrote: I agree that he should stay, but only if he is 100% committed to the cause and gets the backing that he feels he needs. He has done very well given the circumstances surrounding his arrival following last summers GP debacle and the injuries. BUT... we need a plan B. For all of our possession, albeit normally in our own half, we have too often sadly looked very slow on the counter. I have also been frustrated over the apparent reluctance to change the system when needed and play 2 strikers upfront, even with our attacking midfielders on the pitch at the same time. On the balance of play, our defence is great but when you see that we scored just 1 more goal than Yeovil, who got relegated, then clearly the problem lies with not enough attacking urgency with our possession play. We need more Zip, accuracy and forward passing. We may concede a few more goals by changing the system to a 2 striker line up, when necessary, but surely we will more than make this up with goals scored and that will be the difference next season IMHO. UTA - bring on the new season...[/p][/quote]Could not agree more attack attack attack Score more goals than you concede one word DERBY !! UTA BIG TROUBLE
  • Score: 3

2:35pm Mon 12 May 14

lenward says...

When he avoided the question about his plans for next season , my fillings at the time was oh know is this going to be Gus all over again, and I read in the papers this morning he has offered to resign. This leads me to think, there is something going on in the club that we fans don't know about, because for one manager to go at a end of the season is one thing, but for the same thing to happen is not just coincidence. Has Oscar been told he has to work with the players he has got, because they be no money for new players, and this has not made him happy. We know that what it was with Gus. Plus the new training ground isn't cheap. The club needs to come clean and be honest to what the plans for the future is, do they want promotion next season or do they want to build the club up first so when we do go up we have the resources to say up. honesty please.

Back to the question of Oscar, yes I for one would like him to stay, he is a good coach and is still learning his trade, and with the young players we have got coming up exciting times could be ahead, and god knows this club has seen enough upheaval in the last 15 years to last a life time. UTA.
When he avoided the question about his plans for next season , my fillings at the time was oh know is this going to be Gus all over again, and I read in the papers this morning he has offered to resign. This leads me to think, there is something going on in the club that we fans don't know about, because for one manager to go at a end of the season is one thing, but for the same thing to happen is not just coincidence. Has Oscar been told he has to work with the players he has got, because they be no money for new players, and this has not made him happy. We know that what it was with Gus. Plus the new training ground isn't cheap. The club needs to come clean and be honest to what the plans for the future is, do they want promotion next season or do they want to build the club up first so when we do go up we have the resources to say up. honesty please. Back to the question of Oscar, yes I for one would like him to stay, he is a good coach and is still learning his trade, and with the young players we have got coming up exciting times could be ahead, and god knows this club has seen enough upheaval in the last 15 years to last a life time. UTA. lenward
  • Score: 5

2:37pm Mon 12 May 14

gburbs says...

There is something wrong at the club on the playing/coaching side. Yesterday we witnessed a very unprofessional coming together between a coach and a player during the warm up of the season's most important game. Why does something always happen to us?

Are the players unhappy with the style?
There is something wrong at the club on the playing/coaching side. Yesterday we witnessed a very unprofessional coming together between a coach and a player during the warm up of the season's most important game. Why does something always happen to us? Are the players unhappy with the style? gburbs
  • Score: 5

2:51pm Mon 12 May 14

twica12 says...

Get shot of him and Jones. Jones is a defender or was and why doesn't he tell the defenders to tackle outside of the box instead of in it - outside the box it might be a yellow card inside a penalty. Both useless -Garcia is too cautious . 1 -0 down- we need 2 goals and he brings on subs as usual too late. He said that Mackail smith would play a large part in our route to the playoffs and in the play offs and he brings a proven goalscorer on for just a few minutes in each match. He said we would give it a go afgainst Derby - pathetic went out with a wimper
Get shot of him and Jones. Jones is a defender or was and why doesn't he tell the defenders to tackle outside of the box instead of in it - outside the box it might be a yellow card inside a penalty. Both useless -Garcia is too cautious . 1 -0 down- we need 2 goals and he brings on subs as usual too late. He said that Mackail smith would play a large part in our route to the playoffs and in the play offs and he brings a proven goalscorer on for just a few minutes in each match. He said we would give it a go afgainst Derby - pathetic went out with a wimper twica12
  • Score: 2

3:21pm Mon 12 May 14

falmer seagull says...

Malkie Mackay, before somebody else snaps him up!
Malkie Mackay, before somebody else snaps him up! falmer seagull
  • Score: 7

3:27pm Mon 12 May 14

MileOakSEAGULL says...

falmer seagull wrote:
Malkie Mackay, before somebody else snaps him up!
If Garcia does go then absolutely agree with this one!!
[quote][p][bold]falmer seagull[/bold] wrote: Malkie Mackay, before somebody else snaps him up![/p][/quote]If Garcia does go then absolutely agree with this one!! MileOakSEAGULL
  • Score: 2

4:00pm Mon 12 May 14

Asleep in Dorset says...

sorry to say this, but if a manager offers to resign, as has been reported, there is no option in my opinion. As long as he takes Jones with him !
sorry to say this, but if a manager offers to resign, as has been reported, there is no option in my opinion. As long as he takes Jones with him ! Asleep in Dorset
  • Score: 3

8:36am Tue 13 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

PaulJo wrote:
I'm in two minds on this

Yes, he's done fantastically well considering the injuries we've had, he's new to English football, and holding the best defensive record in the division.

...but, there's just something I can't quite put my finger on missing with his management style. Maybe I'm too old school, but I like to see managers capable of inspiring players when needed. I like to see teams capable of destroying the opposition with pacey attacks when needed, and too many times at home this season I've wondered when the attacking intent was coming, only to see it turn-up too late in the game.

Would I like to see Oscar have a 2nd season here? Very close call, but probably yes.......maybe

I honestly don't think he will be here though, I think he's off
A bit after the horse has bolted but I agreed with this.
[quote][p][bold]PaulJo[/bold] wrote: I'm in two minds on this Yes, he's done fantastically well considering the injuries we've had, he's new to English football, and holding the best defensive record in the division. ...but, there's just something I can't quite put my finger on missing with his management style. Maybe I'm too old school, but I like to see managers capable of inspiring players when needed. I like to see teams capable of destroying the opposition with pacey attacks when needed, and too many times at home this season I've wondered when the attacking intent was coming, only to see it turn-up too late in the game. Would I like to see Oscar have a 2nd season here? Very close call, but probably yes.......maybe I honestly don't think he will be here though, I think he's off[/p][/quote]A bit after the horse has bolted but I agreed with this. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

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