Oscar Garcia quits Albion

Oscar Garcia has walked away from Albion

Oscar Garcia has walked away from Albion

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Oscar Garcia has resigned as head coach of Albion.

The Seagulls have confirmed they have accepted the Spaniard’s resignation.

Oscar met with the club earlier today to tell the club he wanted to quit.

The former Spain international said: “The club has been aware of my thoughts for several weeks and during this time I have had discussions with both the chairman, Tony Bloom, and chief executive, Paul Barber.

"I have enjoyed my time with the club but, although I do not have any immediate plans, I have decided to move on.

“I’m very proud of this season with Brighton. The Championship is a very difficult and competitive league but our record this season has been very good. I wish Brighton every success for the future.”

Chairman Tony Bloom said: “We are extremely grateful to Oscar for his efforts this past year, and for providing us with another exciting and memorable season at the club.”

Chief executive Paul Barber added: “On behalf of the club, I would like to thank Oscar for his efforts and to wish him all the very best for the future. The chairman and the board will now begin the search for Oscar’s successor.”

 

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6:03pm Mon 12 May 14

rolivan says...

Just hope he takes Jones with him
Just hope he takes Jones with him rolivan
  • Score: 32

6:04pm Mon 12 May 14

brightonup says...

Shame.....
Shame..... brightonup
  • Score: 17

6:04pm Mon 12 May 14

JollyRoger says...

Whatever the reasons, OG has been good for the club. What is worrying though is that this is the second manager to leave the club in two seasons. That has got to concern us fans and will ring alarm bells for anyone that might be considering a move here!
Whatever the reasons, OG has been good for the club. What is worrying though is that this is the second manager to leave the club in two seasons. That has got to concern us fans and will ring alarm bells for anyone that might be considering a move here! JollyRoger
  • Score: 59

6:06pm Mon 12 May 14

brianw52 says...

I think there is something seriously wrong with our club.
I think there is something seriously wrong with our club. brianw52
  • Score: 66

6:06pm Mon 12 May 14

To baldly go says...

No surprise there then, same end of season let down as with Poyet, now we know why yesterday was the same as the palace fiasco! what is it about this club that drives people away? Now we have to start yet again, and bring in another manager plus about 10 players.
Time for a statement from Mr Bloom please as to where thus club is going.
No surprise there then, same end of season let down as with Poyet, now we know why yesterday was the same as the palace fiasco! what is it about this club that drives people away? Now we have to start yet again, and bring in another manager plus about 10 players. Time for a statement from Mr Bloom please as to where thus club is going. To baldly go
  • Score: 42

6:07pm Mon 12 May 14

Fozzyboy says...

It does explain some shocking performances recently I guess. Good luck to him. I don't think anyone could have done better with what tools he had. I'm also happy he didn't leave it a couple of months to decide & leave us in the lurch for the new season.
It does explain some shocking performances recently I guess. Good luck to him. I don't think anyone could have done better with what tools he had. I'm also happy he didn't leave it a couple of months to decide & leave us in the lurch for the new season. Fozzyboy
  • Score: 30

6:13pm Mon 12 May 14

Alfie T says...

A very sad but dignified departure, who now,and will they work with the same restraints?
A very sad but dignified departure, who now,and will they work with the same restraints? Alfie T
  • Score: 11

6:13pm Mon 12 May 14

bbb1969 says...

Oscar needs players and unfortunately was not given the budget orchoice of his own players. This you can see based on the players he decided to play. Dont think there are many yes sir managers out there so getting qhuality in could be a problem. Please not Jones. I hear Moyes is free.
Liked OG and did wonders with what he inherited and was given.
Oscar needs players and unfortunately was not given the budget orchoice of his own players. This you can see based on the players he decided to play. Dont think there are many yes sir managers out there so getting qhuality in could be a problem. Please not Jones. I hear Moyes is free. Liked OG and did wonders with what he inherited and was given. bbb1969
  • Score: 14

6:14pm Mon 12 May 14

mark by the sea says...

A nice pr message from OG and the club, now we move on again looking for a yes man to pander to the suits, YES VEGAS WE LOST MONEY, BUT WE NEED TO CONTINUE WITH 27000 each week, or we will then need to sell players, who now decides who goes and which player stays? Shambles again, I wonder those that knocked Gus will think twice about some silly comments over the season.
A nice pr message from OG and the club, now we move on again looking for a yes man to pander to the suits, YES VEGAS WE LOST MONEY, BUT WE NEED TO CONTINUE WITH 27000 each week, or we will then need to sell players, who now decides who goes and which player stays? Shambles again, I wonder those that knocked Gus will think twice about some silly comments over the season. mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

6:19pm Mon 12 May 14

brightonup says...

mark by the sea wrote:
A nice pr message from OG and the club, now we move on again looking for a yes man to pander to the suits, YES VEGAS WE LOST MONEY, BUT WE NEED TO CONTINUE WITH 27000 each week, or we will then need to sell players, who now decides who goes and which player stays? Shambles again, I wonder those that knocked Gus will think twice about some silly comments over the season.
Are you still here?
Still determined to make people feel worse?

Given how bad everyone must feel at present, I thought you might pause for breath before sticking in the knife... but you are clearly an obsessive. Get some treatment!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: A nice pr message from OG and the club, now we move on again looking for a yes man to pander to the suits, YES VEGAS WE LOST MONEY, BUT WE NEED TO CONTINUE WITH 27000 each week, or we will then need to sell players, who now decides who goes and which player stays? Shambles again, I wonder those that knocked Gus will think twice about some silly comments over the season.[/p][/quote]Are you still here? Still determined to make people feel worse? Given how bad everyone must feel at present, I thought you might pause for breath before sticking in the knife... but you are clearly an obsessive. Get some treatment! brightonup
  • Score: 3

6:22pm Mon 12 May 14

rolivan says...

mark by the sea wrote:
A nice pr message from OG and the club, now we move on again looking for a yes man to pander to the suits, YES VEGAS WE LOST MONEY, BUT WE NEED TO CONTINUE WITH 27000 each week, or we will then need to sell players, who now decides who goes and which player stays? Shambles again, I wonder those that knocked Gus will think twice about some silly comments over the season.
Yes but there are ways of doing things with Gus he knew what was going on that is why he wanted out managers don't hold the purse strings so much now luckily
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: A nice pr message from OG and the club, now we move on again looking for a yes man to pander to the suits, YES VEGAS WE LOST MONEY, BUT WE NEED TO CONTINUE WITH 27000 each week, or we will then need to sell players, who now decides who goes and which player stays? Shambles again, I wonder those that knocked Gus will think twice about some silly comments over the season.[/p][/quote]Yes but there are ways of doing things with Gus he knew what was going on that is why he wanted out managers don't hold the purse strings so much now luckily rolivan
  • Score: -3

6:23pm Mon 12 May 14

Jules boy says...

At least it was quick, Sherwood or McKay - no brainer. Good luck Oscar
At least it was quick, Sherwood or McKay - no brainer. Good luck Oscar Jules boy
  • Score: 5

6:25pm Mon 12 May 14

wiseman of hove says...

A dignified departure. Once the dust has settled, I'm sure I will offer my ten penny worth of comment. Suffice to say, that I do not buy the story that we are a laughing stock and that we wlll not attract anybody good etc etc. Just wait and see.
fairweathersupporter above, has made some good points.
A dignified departure. Once the dust has settled, I'm sure I will offer my ten penny worth of comment. Suffice to say, that I do not buy the story that we are a laughing stock and that we wlll not attract anybody good etc etc. Just wait and see. fairweathersupporter above, has made some good points. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 7

6:30pm Mon 12 May 14

AburridoEnTrabajo says...

Pity - he did exceptionally well given the circumstances, and I was hoping he'd be given the resources to make a decent go at automatic promotion next season. At least he has resigned honorably and given the club the most time possible to sort out a replacement. I think we now need to bring in someone who has a few contacts in the English game, and who can bring in a few players from previous clubs, while at the same time continuing the good work Oscar started with the DS players.
Pity - he did exceptionally well given the circumstances, and I was hoping he'd be given the resources to make a decent go at automatic promotion next season. At least he has resigned honorably and given the club the most time possible to sort out a replacement. I think we now need to bring in someone who has a few contacts in the English game, and who can bring in a few players from previous clubs, while at the same time continuing the good work Oscar started with the DS players. AburridoEnTrabajo
  • Score: 5

6:30pm Mon 12 May 14

Neville says...

Very disillusioned by what is going on at the club yet again and the rumours have proved correct.
I will wait and see what transpires over the next few weeks and this situation must not be allowed to drag on,I expect Sherwood (PB connection) to be approached,if not Mackay who has conveniently just settled his club dispute.
Like many of my season ticket holder colleagues if the playing side is not improved I will hand in my 2 season tickets and just attaend selective matches,I don't think there is likely to be any problem getting tickets next season. Very disappointed on what is going on at the club at present.
Very disillusioned by what is going on at the club yet again and the rumours have proved correct. I will wait and see what transpires over the next few weeks and this situation must not be allowed to drag on,I expect Sherwood (PB connection) to be approached,if not Mackay who has conveniently just settled his club dispute. Like many of my season ticket holder colleagues if the playing side is not improved I will hand in my 2 season tickets and just attaend selective matches,I don't think there is likely to be any problem getting tickets next season. Very disappointed on what is going on at the club at present. Neville
  • Score: -6

6:30pm Mon 12 May 14

TJ1952 says...

Need a quick appointment. Otherwise it will be the same as last year.
The retained lists are coming out and most of the best players will have been signed. If we don't watch out we will lose Stephen ward and the best of our out of contract players
Need a quick appointment. Otherwise it will be the same as last year. The retained lists are coming out and most of the best players will have been signed. If we don't watch out we will lose Stephen ward and the best of our out of contract players TJ1952
  • Score: 16

6:31pm Mon 12 May 14

Neville says...

The club has stated that it commited to this style of football and it is being played through all the squads,is there now likely to be a rethink??
The club has stated that it commited to this style of football and it is being played through all the squads,is there now likely to be a rethink?? Neville
  • Score: 3

6:34pm Mon 12 May 14

Jimmy Langley says...

Some weeks ago I posted on here that the Daily Mail were running a story that Oscar would be leaving at the end of the season because he had "grown frustrated with the club's transfer dealings". I suggested that Andy Naylor should ask Oscar if there was any truth in the story but nothing happened. I found it difficult to understand why.
Oscar often referred to "a difficult January" which I always took to be a coded message that he was neither happy or in agreement with what had happened in that transfer window. This seems to be a re-run of the Poyet complaint that the manager no longer had control over recruitment or release of players.
I fully accept that the club must be run on a sound fiscal basis and that the manager must operate within an agreed budget. Thereafter I would expect the Manager to be able to operate within that budget as he saw fit; otherwise there is no point in giving him the job.
Sir Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger have both said that they would never work under the constraint of a "Director of Football". Tony Bloom has a decision to make!
Some weeks ago I posted on here that the Daily Mail were running a story that Oscar would be leaving at the end of the season because he had "grown frustrated with the club's transfer dealings". I suggested that Andy Naylor should ask Oscar if there was any truth in the story but nothing happened. I found it difficult to understand why. Oscar often referred to "a difficult January" which I always took to be a coded message that he was neither happy or in agreement with what had happened in that transfer window. This seems to be a re-run of the Poyet complaint that the manager no longer had control over recruitment or release of players. I fully accept that the club must be run on a sound fiscal basis and that the manager must operate within an agreed budget. Thereafter I would expect the Manager to be able to operate within that budget as he saw fit; otherwise there is no point in giving him the job. Sir Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger have both said that they would never work under the constraint of a "Director of Football". Tony Bloom has a decision to make! Jimmy Langley
  • Score: 37

6:35pm Mon 12 May 14

JeffLomer says...

Well let's hope the majority who wrote on the previous thread about 130 plus off you hope your satisfied you have got your wish now Oscar has gone, how the hell can people be happy he has left or wanted him out, we finished 6th for crying out loud, that was fantastic for his first season, what ever happens upstairs by the board is out off every manager/coach/ who ever manages our team, we've got limited funds like a lot off clubs,

Whoever comes in does not stand a chance with most on here it's about having stability at our club not losing another coach after another top six finish, most off you want instant success we ain't got a chairman like man City, we've got Tony Bloom passionate Brighton fan who has done his best for our club, like Dick Knight did before him, between them they put us were we are today,
Some people need to take a reality check this is not good for Brighton football club, will the next manager be given time or will the vultures insist on instant promotion, if you think that then look in the mirror were Brighton not Man city

Good luck Oscar thanx for a great season, wish you well for the future your a top coach and we've made a massive mistake!!

Up the Albion!!!!
Well let's hope the majority who wrote on the previous thread about 130 plus off you hope your satisfied you have got your wish now Oscar has gone, how the hell can people be happy he has left or wanted him out, we finished 6th for crying out loud, that was fantastic for his first season, what ever happens upstairs by the board is out off every manager/coach/ who ever manages our team, we've got limited funds like a lot off clubs, Whoever comes in does not stand a chance with most on here it's about having stability at our club not losing another coach after another top six finish, most off you want instant success we ain't got a chairman like man City, we've got Tony Bloom passionate Brighton fan who has done his best for our club, like Dick Knight did before him, between them they put us were we are today, Some people need to take a reality check this is not good for Brighton football club, will the next manager be given time or will the vultures insist on instant promotion, if you think that then look in the mirror were Brighton not Man city Good luck Oscar thanx for a great season, wish you well for the future your a top coach and we've made a massive mistake!! Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 39

6:35pm Mon 12 May 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

There is clearly something wrong at the Albion.
We've now lost 2 very good coaches in the space of a year.
Something needs to change or we'll be back to square one this time next year.
Over to you Mr. Bloom. UTA
There is clearly something wrong at the Albion. We've now lost 2 very good coaches in the space of a year. Something needs to change or we'll be back to square one this time next year. Over to you Mr. Bloom. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 10

6:40pm Mon 12 May 14

Bhanotok says...

Hear that Tony is fed up with pouring money down the drain and is pulling any further funding. Garcia threw a bulky of a tantrum at this and waited until we didn't go up before throwing in the towel.

Don't expect to see many incoming and probably a few outgoings this summer. Ulloa, Buckley and Lua Lua to start with.
Hear that Tony is fed up with pouring money down the drain and is pulling any further funding. Garcia threw a bulky of a tantrum at this and waited until we didn't go up before throwing in the towel. Don't expect to see many incoming and probably a few outgoings this summer. Ulloa, Buckley and Lua Lua to start with. Bhanotok
  • Score: -12

6:40pm Mon 12 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

The manager of the Spanish national team will be retiring after the world cup, I would not be surprised if Oscar waits a while before taking another job, he could be a shoe in for that vacancy.
The manager of the Spanish national team will be retiring after the world cup, I would not be surprised if Oscar waits a while before taking another job, he could be a shoe in for that vacancy. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -9

6:41pm Mon 12 May 14

farside says...

Is it "the suits" to blame? Oscar's letter to the fans closely mirrors the one he sent to supporters of Tel Aviv when he left them after one season to come to Brighton.
Not always appropriate to jump to conclusions.
Is it "the suits" to blame? Oscar's letter to the fans closely mirrors the one he sent to supporters of Tel Aviv when he left them after one season to come to Brighton. Not always appropriate to jump to conclusions. farside
  • Score: 2

6:42pm Mon 12 May 14

To baldly go says...

Neville wrote:
Very disillusioned by what is going on at the club yet again and the rumours have proved correct.
I will wait and see what transpires over the next few weeks and this situation must not be allowed to drag on,I expect Sherwood (PB connection) to be approached,if not Mackay who has conveniently just settled his club dispute.
Like many of my season ticket holder colleagues if the playing side is not improved I will hand in my 2 season tickets and just attaend selective matches,I don't think there is likely to be any problem getting tickets next season. Very disappointed on what is going on at the club at present.
Agree with what you say, but I think the likes of Sherwood and Mackay will not be interested due to lack of control!
After this bombshell can you see anyone, be it a coach, manager or player wanting to come here? We will be left to pick up players other teams don't want at this rate, pay them a small fortune and charge us a small fortune for the pleasure! I'm with you on the ticket issue, 3 tickets costing me £1200 plus shirts, pies, drinks etc, pick and choose what games to watch and see how it goes!
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Very disillusioned by what is going on at the club yet again and the rumours have proved correct. I will wait and see what transpires over the next few weeks and this situation must not be allowed to drag on,I expect Sherwood (PB connection) to be approached,if not Mackay who has conveniently just settled his club dispute. Like many of my season ticket holder colleagues if the playing side is not improved I will hand in my 2 season tickets and just attaend selective matches,I don't think there is likely to be any problem getting tickets next season. Very disappointed on what is going on at the club at present.[/p][/quote]Agree with what you say, but I think the likes of Sherwood and Mackay will not be interested due to lack of control! After this bombshell can you see anyone, be it a coach, manager or player wanting to come here? We will be left to pick up players other teams don't want at this rate, pay them a small fortune and charge us a small fortune for the pleasure! I'm with you on the ticket issue, 3 tickets costing me £1200 plus shirts, pies, drinks etc, pick and choose what games to watch and see how it goes! To baldly go
  • Score: 2

6:45pm Mon 12 May 14

Seagulls High says...

Good Luck to Oscar he was a Good manager who worked with the players as Coach to take them to the play Offs in the First Season. He will be sorely missed. Whoever follows Garcia will have to retain Brighton's Continental style of passing.
Good Luck to Oscar he was a Good manager who worked with the players as Coach to take them to the play Offs in the First Season. He will be sorely missed. Whoever follows Garcia will have to retain Brighton's Continental style of passing. Seagulls High
  • Score: 1

6:48pm Mon 12 May 14

daveyboy35 says...

Something is seriously amiss at the club! Maybe we have hit the ceiling and the club is trying to consolidate for a few seasons! A proper statement from the club would be nice!!
Something is seriously amiss at the club! Maybe we have hit the ceiling and the club is trying to consolidate for a few seasons! A proper statement from the club would be nice!! daveyboy35
  • Score: 7

6:50pm Mon 12 May 14

farside says...

Neville wrote:
Very disillusioned by what is going on at the club yet again and the rumours have proved correct.
I will wait and see what transpires over the next few weeks and this situation must not be allowed to drag on,I expect Sherwood (PB connection) to be approached,if not Mackay who has conveniently just settled his club dispute.
Like many of my season ticket holder colleagues if the playing side is not improved I will hand in my 2 season tickets and just attaend selective matches,I don't think there is likely to be any problem getting tickets next season. Very disappointed on what is going on at the club at present.
No you wont.
First you probably don't have a season ticket (still less many sth friends) or you would know you are ried in for the season. You can hand in your tickets but they can still take your money. By all means attend selected games though.....you might get to enjoy it if you actually did go.

Jeez but people on here over-react.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Very disillusioned by what is going on at the club yet again and the rumours have proved correct. I will wait and see what transpires over the next few weeks and this situation must not be allowed to drag on,I expect Sherwood (PB connection) to be approached,if not Mackay who has conveniently just settled his club dispute. Like many of my season ticket holder colleagues if the playing side is not improved I will hand in my 2 season tickets and just attaend selective matches,I don't think there is likely to be any problem getting tickets next season. Very disappointed on what is going on at the club at present.[/p][/quote]No you wont. First you probably don't have a season ticket (still less many sth friends) or you would know you are ried in for the season. You can hand in your tickets but they can still take your money. By all means attend selected games though.....you might get to enjoy it if you actually did go. Jeez but people on here over-react. farside
  • Score: 0

6:55pm Mon 12 May 14

Marky24 says...

Hoddle or Sherwood please not pepe mel
Hoddle or Sherwood please not pepe mel Marky24
  • Score: 2

6:55pm Mon 12 May 14

wiseman of hove says...

Neville wrote:
Very disillusioned by what is going on at the club yet again and the rumours have proved correct.
I will wait and see what transpires over the next few weeks and this situation must not be allowed to drag on,I expect Sherwood (PB connection) to be approached,if not Mackay who has conveniently just settled his club dispute.
Like many of my season ticket holder colleagues if the playing side is not improved I will hand in my 2 season tickets and just attaend selective matches,I don't think there is likely to be any problem getting tickets next season. Very disappointed on what is going on at the club at present.
I can understand your sentiments Neville but I will stick with our season tickets, and you probably will!
A tad early to forecast poor ticket sales. Oscar has not hung around and that gives the powers to be, plenty of time to get it right. If they do, then the crowds will be there.
Not unreasonable to fully speculate now. Malky for me but not averse to Sherwood. No Di Matteo or Curbishley
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Very disillusioned by what is going on at the club yet again and the rumours have proved correct. I will wait and see what transpires over the next few weeks and this situation must not be allowed to drag on,I expect Sherwood (PB connection) to be approached,if not Mackay who has conveniently just settled his club dispute. Like many of my season ticket holder colleagues if the playing side is not improved I will hand in my 2 season tickets and just attaend selective matches,I don't think there is likely to be any problem getting tickets next season. Very disappointed on what is going on at the club at present.[/p][/quote]I can understand your sentiments Neville but I will stick with our season tickets, and you probably will! A tad early to forecast poor ticket sales. Oscar has not hung around and that gives the powers to be, plenty of time to get it right. If they do, then the crowds will be there. Not unreasonable to fully speculate now. Malky for me but not averse to Sherwood. No Di Matteo or Curbishley wiseman of hove
  • Score: 6

6:56pm Mon 12 May 14

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

I bet Gus is having a right good chuckle....with "I told you so" thoughts.

With the new stadium, new training complex, season ticket sales at 24,000 plus, and a team that has made the play offs two season running you have to seriously question why two very strong "football" managers have walked away.

There's plenty of managers who would give their right arm for our ground/training set up and a pretty much guaranteed crowd in the high 20k's every week, so whatever it is behind the scenes MUST be beyond bad, it must be **** right DIRE.

Wouldn't be surprised if all this is also not helped by Ulloa being on his way, which I think is almost inevitable.

With the financial restrictions, back room discord, and your star striker on his way, on the back of Bridcutt, Barnes, ElAbd having already gone, and Ward, and Lingard as loanee's possibly not returning, this is all too much and would require a ground up re-build.

Whoever comes in now is going to have to be a man mountain to overcome that lot ?

Lets not forget that our man mountain will also have to off load the lightweights and has beens - Orlandi, Lopez, Brezovan, Andrews, Augustein, Rodriguez.

Tough job for someone? No wonder Oscar walked.
I bet Gus is having a right good chuckle....with "I told you so" thoughts. With the new stadium, new training complex, season ticket sales at 24,000 plus, and a team that has made the play offs two season running you have to seriously question why two very strong "football" managers have walked away. There's plenty of managers who would give their right arm for our ground/training set up and a pretty much guaranteed crowd in the high 20k's every week, so whatever it is behind the scenes MUST be beyond bad, it must be **** right DIRE. Wouldn't be surprised if all this is also not helped by Ulloa being on his way, which I think is almost inevitable. With the financial restrictions, back room discord, and your star striker on his way, on the back of Bridcutt, Barnes, ElAbd having already gone, and Ward, and Lingard as loanee's possibly not returning, this is all too much and would require a ground up re-build. Whoever comes in now is going to have to be a man mountain to overcome that lot ? Lets not forget that our man mountain will also have to off load the lightweights and has beens - Orlandi, Lopez, Brezovan, Andrews, Augustein, Rodriguez. Tough job for someone? No wonder Oscar walked. PressBoxTeaBoy
  • Score: 3

6:57pm Mon 12 May 14

JoeBlow says...

Parachute payments, FFP (followed by some, not by others) is making this a very uneven division to be in. I'm sure Oscar was very frustrated it wasn't a level playing field.

Thanks Oscar for giving us a better season than 18 other teams in the Championship.
Parachute payments, FFP (followed by some, not by others) is making this a very uneven division to be in. I'm sure Oscar was very frustrated it wasn't a level playing field. Thanks Oscar for giving us a better season than 18 other teams in the Championship. JoeBlow
  • Score: 8

6:58pm Mon 12 May 14

AburridoEnTrabajo says...

brianw52 wrote:
I think there is something seriously wrong with our club.
"Seriously wrong" is when you are half an hour from being relegated from the football league, with no stadium, and unsure whether you will even be allowed into the Conference without a stadium. "Seriously wrong" is when your club has had every asset sold that all that's left is a name, a logo, and a huge amount of debt. Whatever state the club is in now, it is not "seriously wrong".
[quote][p][bold]brianw52[/bold] wrote: I think there is something seriously wrong with our club.[/p][/quote]"Seriously wrong" is when you are half an hour from being relegated from the football league, with no stadium, and unsure whether you will even be allowed into the Conference without a stadium. "Seriously wrong" is when your club has had every asset sold that all that's left is a name, a logo, and a huge amount of debt. Whatever state the club is in now, it is not "seriously wrong". AburridoEnTrabajo
  • Score: 40

7:00pm Mon 12 May 14

Hove Actually says...

Been here done this....can someone find a tried and tested British Manager for us....sooner rather than August
Been here done this....can someone find a tried and tested British Manager for us....sooner rather than August Hove Actually
  • Score: 5

7:00pm Mon 12 May 14

psb196 says...

To baldly go wrote:
Neville wrote:
Very disillusioned by what is going on at the club yet again and the rumours have proved correct.
I will wait and see what transpires over the next few weeks and this situation must not be allowed to drag on,I expect Sherwood (PB connection) to be approached,if not Mackay who has conveniently just settled his club dispute.
Like many of my season ticket holder colleagues if the playing side is not improved I will hand in my 2 season tickets and just attaend selective matches,I don't think there is likely to be any problem getting tickets next season. Very disappointed on what is going on at the club at present.
Agree with what you say, but I think the likes of Sherwood and Mackay will not be interested due to lack of control!
After this bombshell can you see anyone, be it a coach, manager or player wanting to come here? We will be left to pick up players other teams don't want at this rate, pay them a small fortune and charge us a small fortune for the pleasure! I'm with you on the ticket issue, 3 tickets costing me £1200 plus shirts, pies, drinks etc, pick and choose what games to watch and see how it goes!
"3 tickets costing me £1200 plus shirts, pies, drinks etc".

Why does a grown man have to buy and wear a replica shirt?

Why can't you eat and drink at home before or after the match?

Nobody is forcing you to look a t*t in a replica shirt showing off your disgusting fat belly and nobody is forcing to spend a small fortune on rancid pies and watered down lager fizzy pop.
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Very disillusioned by what is going on at the club yet again and the rumours have proved correct. I will wait and see what transpires over the next few weeks and this situation must not be allowed to drag on,I expect Sherwood (PB connection) to be approached,if not Mackay who has conveniently just settled his club dispute. Like many of my season ticket holder colleagues if the playing side is not improved I will hand in my 2 season tickets and just attaend selective matches,I don't think there is likely to be any problem getting tickets next season. Very disappointed on what is going on at the club at present.[/p][/quote]Agree with what you say, but I think the likes of Sherwood and Mackay will not be interested due to lack of control! After this bombshell can you see anyone, be it a coach, manager or player wanting to come here? We will be left to pick up players other teams don't want at this rate, pay them a small fortune and charge us a small fortune for the pleasure! I'm with you on the ticket issue, 3 tickets costing me £1200 plus shirts, pies, drinks etc, pick and choose what games to watch and see how it goes![/p][/quote]"3 tickets costing me £1200 plus shirts, pies, drinks etc". Why does a grown man have to buy and wear a replica shirt? Why can't you eat and drink at home before or after the match? Nobody is forcing you to look a t*t in a replica shirt showing off your disgusting fat belly and nobody is forcing to spend a small fortune on rancid pies and watered down lager fizzy pop. psb196
  • Score: 1

7:00pm Mon 12 May 14

mickagull says...

Another end of year fiasco. The board staff and players would have know that Oscar head was not focused if it was unwritten rule in his contract to resign if we didn't get promoted. To much pressure. Now we need a Manerger not a coach someone in charge of everything player related. We have lost two good, very different manergers because of a hidden problem. Next it will be 15 player and then 8 thousand fans. Thanks Oscar for the kind words about the fans, was the words about Barber as heart felt. Oscar Garcia he now drinks beer he's now left Brighton and that's a shame, we are now in trouble yes double trouble, so Barber why have you frighten our Oscar away lalalalalallalalalal
alalalalalalalalalal
aH
Another end of year fiasco. The board staff and players would have know that Oscar head was not focused if it was unwritten rule in his contract to resign if we didn't get promoted. To much pressure. Now we need a Manerger not a coach someone in charge of everything player related. We have lost two good, very different manergers because of a hidden problem. Next it will be 15 player and then 8 thousand fans. Thanks Oscar for the kind words about the fans, was the words about Barber as heart felt. Oscar Garcia he now drinks beer he's now left Brighton and that's a shame, we are now in trouble yes double trouble, so Barber why have you frighten our Oscar away lalalalalallalalalal alalalalalalalalalal aH mickagull
  • Score: -4

7:01pm Mon 12 May 14

ballantrrae says...

rolivan wrote:
Just hope he takes Jones with him
Interesting and pertinent point Rolivan.
I guess that the two supporting coaches Reuben M and Juan T are also leaving which leaves Nathan as the only coach left and therefore effectively the acting Head Coach.
TB needs to act positively and quickly to get Oscar's successor in place. What we can I'll afford is to have a repeat of last Summer when there was a vacuum at the top of the playing side of the club.
With 11 players I believe out of contract and Ward, Lingard and Andrews returning to their clubs the squad needs to be restructured in a major way and currently there is no one in place to do it. Such restructuring should not be in the hands of the Head of Football Operations but should be the responsibility of the Manager/Head Coach.
Fortunately there are a number of quality Managers available currently including Moyes, Di Matteo, Malky Mackay, Steve Clarke, Laudrup (unlikely) Meulensteen amongst others.
In addition there may be other candidates like Sherwood should he become available. Perhaps the club might consider appointing a young coach with an experienced 'advisor' like Coppell, Hoddle or Brady.
Most importantly it appears that the club have been aware that Oscar might leave for a left weeks and therefore should at least have done some initial thinking regarding a replacement.
Whilst hoping that a new Manager is appointed as soon as practical one only wants the club when doing to recruit someone who can continue pursuing the club's passing football style and who is prepared to commit to the longer term.
Finally the fact that it appears that both Poyet and Oscar seem to have 'left' for similar budget related reasons (which may or may not be the case) is a concern. Whatever the actual reason There appears to be some conflict or uncertainty regarding the differing roles and responsibilities of the Head of Football and the Manager. Assuming this is correct this perceived problem needs to be addressed. In my view the Manager must be the person driving player recruitment and I am sure that any incoming Manager would want reassurance regarding this point. As it happens I am not sure based on recent evidence exactly how effective our current HOF has been.
Interesting but worrying times. UTA.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: Just hope he takes Jones with him[/p][/quote]Interesting and pertinent point Rolivan. I guess that the two supporting coaches Reuben M and Juan T are also leaving which leaves Nathan as the only coach left and therefore effectively the acting Head Coach. TB needs to act positively and quickly to get Oscar's successor in place. What we can I'll afford is to have a repeat of last Summer when there was a vacuum at the top of the playing side of the club. With 11 players I believe out of contract and Ward, Lingard and Andrews returning to their clubs the squad needs to be restructured in a major way and currently there is no one in place to do it. Such restructuring should not be in the hands of the Head of Football Operations but should be the responsibility of the Manager/Head Coach. Fortunately there are a number of quality Managers available currently including Moyes, Di Matteo, Malky Mackay, Steve Clarke, Laudrup (unlikely) Meulensteen amongst others. In addition there may be other candidates like Sherwood should he become available. Perhaps the club might consider appointing a young coach with an experienced 'advisor' like Coppell, Hoddle or Brady. Most importantly it appears that the club have been aware that Oscar might leave for a left weeks and therefore should at least have done some initial thinking regarding a replacement. Whilst hoping that a new Manager is appointed as soon as practical one only wants the club when doing to recruit someone who can continue pursuing the club's passing football style and who is prepared to commit to the longer term. Finally the fact that it appears that both Poyet and Oscar seem to have 'left' for similar budget related reasons (which may or may not be the case) is a concern. Whatever the actual reason There appears to be some conflict or uncertainty regarding the differing roles and responsibilities of the Head of Football and the Manager. Assuming this is correct this perceived problem needs to be addressed. In my view the Manager must be the person driving player recruitment and I am sure that any incoming Manager would want reassurance regarding this point. As it happens I am not sure based on recent evidence exactly how effective our current HOF has been. Interesting but worrying times. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 11

7:03pm Mon 12 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

I now await some fall out at the club, Tony Bloom will be lookng for answers to obvious questions. Our Director Of Football just might follow Oscar out of the door.
I am sure that Bloom is seriously peed off about losing Oscar, not least because he did an amazing job over all with huge problems from day one. Bloom now has to go about finding a new manager but he won't want to be back doing the same at the end of next season. Two play-off season and two managers gone, that aint good for anyone.
My hope is that the talk with Oscar was very frank, I hope that Oscar pointed fingers and named names, and made it very clear just what brought him to his decision to leave.
Something is clearly broken and Bloom needs to fix it. Bloom has got it right, IMHO, twice but we lost both of his choices. Whilst I didn't like the antics of Poyet toward the end of his reign, Oscar has shown much more class, the fact remains that we have lost two very capable people. This can't be allowed to happen three in a row.
I now await some fall out at the club, Tony Bloom will be lookng for answers to obvious questions. Our Director Of Football just might follow Oscar out of the door. I am sure that Bloom is seriously peed off about losing Oscar, not least because he did an amazing job over all with huge problems from day one. Bloom now has to go about finding a new manager but he won't want to be back doing the same at the end of next season. Two play-off season and two managers gone, that aint good for anyone. My hope is that the talk with Oscar was very frank, I hope that Oscar pointed fingers and named names, and made it very clear just what brought him to his decision to leave. Something is clearly broken and Bloom needs to fix it. Bloom has got it right, IMHO, twice but we lost both of his choices. Whilst I didn't like the antics of Poyet toward the end of his reign, Oscar has shown much more class, the fact remains that we have lost two very capable people. This can't be allowed to happen three in a row. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 22

7:04pm Mon 12 May 14

russellsnr2 says...

I have to say it "The problem seems to be the financial restraint being put on the manager/Coach"
If the club does not spend and spend big we will be going nowhere fast.
The next man in charge IMO must be the MANAGER and left to do just that.
I have to say it "The problem seems to be the financial restraint being put on the manager/Coach" If the club does not spend and spend big we will be going nowhere fast. The next man in charge IMO must be the MANAGER and left to do just that. russellsnr2
  • Score: 2

7:07pm Mon 12 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

A recurring pattern of disillusioned manager quitting again. Now the board needs to act fast to reassure the fans, Malcky Mackay, Chris Hughton or Tim Sherwood would be just the ticket. BUT THEY MUST BE EQUIPPED WITH THE NECESSARY FINANCES TO BUILD THEIR SQUAD OR THIS PATTERN WILL KEEP ON REPEATING ITSELF!
A recurring pattern of disillusioned manager quitting again. Now the board needs to act fast to reassure the fans, Malcky Mackay, Chris Hughton or Tim Sherwood would be just the ticket. BUT THEY MUST BE EQUIPPED WITH THE NECESSARY FINANCES TO BUILD THEIR SQUAD OR THIS PATTERN WILL KEEP ON REPEATING ITSELF! East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: -1

7:12pm Mon 12 May 14

Neville says...

Purely for farside
Stupid stupid comments,I have 2 tickets in the lower west stand row G 133/4
and its idiots like you that have ruined this site,soon you will just be talking to yourself,but thats probably what you want.
Purely for farside Stupid stupid comments,I have 2 tickets in the lower west stand row G 133/4 and its idiots like you that have ruined this site,soon you will just be talking to yourself,but thats probably what you want. Neville
  • Score: -4

7:13pm Mon 12 May 14

wiseman of hove says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
The manager of the Spanish national team will be retiring after the world cup, I would not be surprised if Oscar waits a while before taking another job, he could be a shoe in for that vacancy.
A shoe in for that job, Vegas ?!
You know I generally find your posts excellent and measured, but I'm not buying that one.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The manager of the Spanish national team will be retiring after the world cup, I would not be surprised if Oscar waits a while before taking another job, he could be a shoe in for that vacancy.[/p][/quote]A shoe in for that job, Vegas ?! You know I generally find your posts excellent and measured, but I'm not buying that one. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 9

7:16pm Mon 12 May 14

tez1959 says...

bit of luck most of the squad go with him we need rive and passion at this club not turning up and playing like its a training session every week premiership more like conferance football
bit of luck most of the squad go with him we need rive and passion at this club not turning up and playing like its a training session every week premiership more like conferance football tez1959
  • Score: -6

7:16pm Mon 12 May 14

Steveg1958 says...

Please TB, ditch the DOF role and let whoever you get in target his own players, if we can afford them great, if not then at least let him decide who he will take in the team. Any current manager will not put up with DOF rubbish
Please TB, ditch the DOF role and let whoever you get in target his own players, if we can afford them great, if not then at least let him decide who he will take in the team. Any current manager will not put up with DOF rubbish Steveg1958
  • Score: 7

7:18pm Mon 12 May 14

sussexram40 says...

Deja Vu.
It's Gus all over again
A manager who wasn't happy and knew he wasn't staying BEFORE the play offs. No wonder we were so rubbish in the playoffs again.
I posted quite often that Oscar wouldn't be at the club next year - and I was shot down in flames on here by the so called experts.
I've argued consistently for a British manager who has been there, done it and got the t shirt. Finally that looks like happening.
Malky McKay please. He's the man we need and will get us promoted in 2 seasons as long as the Bs let him get on with the job. Malky knows best. Make no mistake.
Deja Vu. It's Gus all over again A manager who wasn't happy and knew he wasn't staying BEFORE the play offs. No wonder we were so rubbish in the playoffs again. I posted quite often that Oscar wouldn't be at the club next year - and I was shot down in flames on here by the so called experts. I've argued consistently for a British manager who has been there, done it and got the t shirt. Finally that looks like happening. Malky McKay please. He's the man we need and will get us promoted in 2 seasons as long as the Bs let him get on with the job. Malky knows best. Make no mistake. sussexram40
  • Score: 1

7:40pm Mon 12 May 14

hannover seagull says...

Oscar clearly see´s he can take the club no further with what has been made available to him
I was always a bit worried at the title of head coach as if he was always in limbo from the board
What we now need is a strong manager,yes a manager who can manage the shower upstairs as well as the players
Two seasons of the same now is wearing a bit thin
Oscar is a gentleman and his timing to leave is no detriment to the club not like last year
We should wish him well but my anger is with the board and not him
Oscar clearly see´s he can take the club no further with what has been made available to him I was always a bit worried at the title of head coach as if he was always in limbo from the board What we now need is a strong manager,yes a manager who can manage the shower upstairs as well as the players Two seasons of the same now is wearing a bit thin Oscar is a gentleman and his timing to leave is no detriment to the club not like last year We should wish him well but my anger is with the board and not him hannover seagull
  • Score: 11

7:43pm Mon 12 May 14

driverchris53 says...

I really thought club had a good future with Oscar;he was a good manager who was going to be successful with this club.I assume he has gone because of the budget;but i believe we are doing the right thing.Just because clubs like Nottingham Forest are ignoring FFP it doesn't mean we have to. Just remember what has happened to Portsmouth and Coventry.You cannot spend money you don't have;the alternative is to sell the clubs soul to a parasite from the Middle East or Asia.Chairmen like Vincent Tan have raped the soul of the heritage of Cardiff City.I would rather stick with Tony Bloom; a man who obviously loves this club and accept we need to live within our means.We came really close this year;with more luck and less injuries imagine what could have happened.
Even with a smaller budget than most of the teams dreaming of a Premier League future we can still get to there.
I really thought club had a good future with Oscar;he was a good manager who was going to be successful with this club.I assume he has gone because of the budget;but i believe we are doing the right thing.Just because clubs like Nottingham Forest are ignoring FFP it doesn't mean we have to. Just remember what has happened to Portsmouth and Coventry.You cannot spend money you don't have;the alternative is to sell the clubs soul to a parasite from the Middle East or Asia.Chairmen like Vincent Tan have raped the soul of the heritage of Cardiff City.I would rather stick with Tony Bloom; a man who obviously loves this club and accept we need to live within our means.We came really close this year;with more luck and less injuries imagine what could have happened. Even with a smaller budget than most of the teams dreaming of a Premier League future we can still get to there. driverchris53
  • Score: 8

7:44pm Mon 12 May 14

TheSurfingToad says...

Finishing 6th in a league tougher than last year is a huge achievement, we once again showed that we have the ability to be challenging teams with more money/influence/expe
rience, and I think Oscar has done a great job, considering he took over the club after an embarressing situation (poogate). IMO the one thing we lacked this season was creativity/urgency in attacking and trying to break with the ball from inside our half. If we would have had that aspect of the game sorted, we would have been automatically promoted without a shadow of a doubt. But good luck to him, I think the club as a whole has benefited from his time here, and I think whoever leads us next has a great foundation to make next season a glorious one. UTA
Finishing 6th in a league tougher than last year is a huge achievement, we once again showed that we have the ability to be challenging teams with more money/influence/expe rience, and I think Oscar has done a great job, considering he took over the club after an embarressing situation (poogate). IMO the one thing we lacked this season was creativity/urgency in attacking and trying to break with the ball from inside our half. If we would have had that aspect of the game sorted, we would have been automatically promoted without a shadow of a doubt. But good luck to him, I think the club as a whole has benefited from his time here, and I think whoever leads us next has a great foundation to make next season a glorious one. UTA TheSurfingToad
  • Score: 4

7:47pm Mon 12 May 14

OldGull says...

Thanks OG, you did an excellent job for us, good luck wherever you go.

TB is not going to break FFP rules.
He is running this club with a long term vision.
If that means running the team on a tight budget until FFP takes effect then so be it.
We need a Manager /Coach who is aware of the constraints and is prepared to work with them.
My preference would be Malky Mackay or Tim Sherwood
Thanks OG, you did an excellent job for us, good luck wherever you go. TB is not going to break FFP rules. He is running this club with a long term vision. If that means running the team on a tight budget until FFP takes effect then so be it. We need a Manager /Coach who is aware of the constraints and is prepared to work with them. My preference would be Malky Mackay or Tim Sherwood OldGull
  • Score: 5

7:48pm Mon 12 May 14

Neville says...

OG with his BCN youth knowledge was a top target of TB to oversee the new training academy,I have said before it would have made sense (assuming OG was happy) for him to have control over the academy whilst a proven manager such as McCarthy or similar managed the first team.
Are there many proven managers who could oversee the Academy,a name that does spring to mind is Liam Brady.
Oscar was TBs first choice and a good one so this is really a set back in his plans and hopefully this will now cause some rethink on the DOF role.
OG with his BCN youth knowledge was a top target of TB to oversee the new training academy,I have said before it would have made sense (assuming OG was happy) for him to have control over the academy whilst a proven manager such as McCarthy or similar managed the first team. Are there many proven managers who could oversee the Academy,a name that does spring to mind is Liam Brady. Oscar was TBs first choice and a good one so this is really a set back in his plans and hopefully this will now cause some rethink on the DOF role. Neville
  • Score: 1

7:50pm Mon 12 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
The manager of the Spanish national team will be retiring after the world cup, I would not be surprised if Oscar waits a while before taking another job, he could be a shoe in for that vacancy.
A shoe in for that job, Vegas ?!
You know I generally find your posts excellent and measured, but I'm not buying that one.
the reason why Ithink he would be a shoe is is simply because of the timing. The national team managers for most countries are not usually the best managers from that country, or any other, the best are with clubs. The new season will quickly follow the World Cup, the good managers will be working toward the start of a new season, Oscar could be a good manager but not yet with a club, if he waits. With the world cup done, there will be two years before the next big competition, time enough for Oscar to work with the national team. I think he could be the best candidate, that is interested in the job, when the vacancy is announced.
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The manager of the Spanish national team will be retiring after the world cup, I would not be surprised if Oscar waits a while before taking another job, he could be a shoe in for that vacancy.[/p][/quote]A shoe in for that job, Vegas ?! You know I generally find your posts excellent and measured, but I'm not buying that one.[/p][/quote]the reason why Ithink he would be a shoe is is simply because of the timing. The national team managers for most countries are not usually the best managers from that country, or any other, the best are with clubs. The new season will quickly follow the World Cup, the good managers will be working toward the start of a new season, Oscar could be a good manager but not yet with a club, if he waits. With the world cup done, there will be two years before the next big competition, time enough for Oscar to work with the national team. I think he could be the best candidate, that is interested in the job, when the vacancy is announced. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -8

7:50pm Mon 12 May 14

sussexram40 says...

The problem now is that the West Brom job is up for grabs, so I can the top men not wanting to sign a 3 year deal with the Albion until they know they aren't gettting the Baggies job. Could lead to a delay.

Nobody has mentioned Moyes yet. But I still say MacKay.
The problem now is that the West Brom job is up for grabs, so I can the top men not wanting to sign a 3 year deal with the Albion until they know they aren't gettting the Baggies job. Could lead to a delay. Nobody has mentioned Moyes yet. But I still say MacKay. sussexram40
  • Score: -1

7:53pm Mon 12 May 14

adamcooper138 says...

Get someone who wants to win!
Get someone who wants to win! adamcooper138
  • Score: 3

7:55pm Mon 12 May 14

sussexram40 says...

Lets be honest - Oscar never really looked happy here did he.
Lets be honest - Oscar never really looked happy here did he. sussexram40
  • Score: -1

8:00pm Mon 12 May 14

Claude Back says...

brightonup wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
A nice pr message from OG and the club, now we move on again looking for a yes man to pander to the suits, YES VEGAS WE LOST MONEY, BUT WE NEED TO CONTINUE WITH 27000 each week, or we will then need to sell players, who now decides who goes and which player stays? Shambles again, I wonder those that knocked Gus will think twice about some silly comments over the season.
Are you still here?
Still determined to make people feel worse?

Given how bad everyone must feel at present, I thought you might pause for breath before sticking in the knife... but you are clearly an obsessive. Get some treatment!
Good grief! What are you talking about? Most good judges of football are glad not sad. I don't know anyone locally who thinks it's sad Garcia has gone, only distant keyboard managers on here.
I think Garcia is a nice man and honourable but has done nothing to warrant him being regarded as a good manager here. Where is the evidence? There is none. All his supporters say is he has done wonders with what he had. What wonders? Poor team selection and tactics? Some wonders they are.
MBTS continually talks sense but you and others deride him Just shows how stupid most fans are. I'm sorry but these negative comments about MBTS are really ignorant.
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: A nice pr message from OG and the club, now we move on again looking for a yes man to pander to the suits, YES VEGAS WE LOST MONEY, BUT WE NEED TO CONTINUE WITH 27000 each week, or we will then need to sell players, who now decides who goes and which player stays? Shambles again, I wonder those that knocked Gus will think twice about some silly comments over the season.[/p][/quote]Are you still here? Still determined to make people feel worse? Given how bad everyone must feel at present, I thought you might pause for breath before sticking in the knife... but you are clearly an obsessive. Get some treatment![/p][/quote]Good grief! What are you talking about? Most good judges of football are glad not sad. I don't know anyone locally who thinks it's sad Garcia has gone, only distant keyboard managers on here. I think Garcia is a nice man and honourable but has done nothing to warrant him being regarded as a good manager here. Where is the evidence? There is none. All his supporters say is he has done wonders with what he had. What wonders? Poor team selection and tactics? Some wonders they are. MBTS continually talks sense but you and others deride him Just shows how stupid most fans are. I'm sorry but these negative comments about MBTS are really ignorant. Claude Back
  • Score: -3

8:00pm Mon 12 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

If the board were aware of his feelings a few weeks ago, it means they had a chance to assess and potentially pave the way for changes to accommodate.
They chose not to.
So we know we're committed to the current set up and on that basis, I worry about the calibre of person who will take the job on under those conditions, after two reasonably high profile - and very similar - departures.
We have to trust the guv'nor, but it feels like that game where you take blocks from the tower. The tower is still standing but a couple of bricks have been removed and it's not quite as stable as it was....
If the board were aware of his feelings a few weeks ago, it means they had a chance to assess and potentially pave the way for changes to accommodate. They chose not to. So we know we're committed to the current set up and on that basis, I worry about the calibre of person who will take the job on under those conditions, after two reasonably high profile - and very similar - departures. We have to trust the guv'nor, but it feels like that game where you take blocks from the tower. The tower is still standing but a couple of bricks have been removed and it's not quite as stable as it was.... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

8:01pm Mon 12 May 14

goldstonefan says...

What a depressing piece of news. I do hope Tony Bloom comes clean with us and explains what went wrong. To those who can recognize a quality leader, OG is a man who will almost certainly go on to do great things, and it should have been at Brighton. But once again we shall go into a new season wrong footed. Such a shame with the new training ground just weeks away. Truly depressing.
What a depressing piece of news. I do hope Tony Bloom comes clean with us and explains what went wrong. To those who can recognize a quality leader, OG is a man who will almost certainly go on to do great things, and it should have been at Brighton. But once again we shall go into a new season wrong footed. Such a shame with the new training ground just weeks away. Truly depressing. goldstonefan
  • Score: 2

8:01pm Mon 12 May 14

Aussie Mick says...

AburridoEnTrabajo wrote:
brianw52 wrote:
I think there is something seriously wrong with our club.
"Seriously wrong" is when you are half an hour from being relegated from the football league, with no stadium, and unsure whether you will even be allowed into the Conference without a stadium. "Seriously wrong" is when your club has had every asset sold that all that's left is a name, a logo, and a huge amount of debt. Whatever state the club is in now, it is not "seriously wrong".
Was going to say this was the most relevant comment on here until I read the next one about fat old men in football shirts. I cannot believe supporters are questioning Tony Bloom. This man and his family have taken the Albion to places we never thought possible. TB has made it clear he is not going to risk bankrupting the club. His is a long term plan that will ensure a sustainable club over the years to come. The investment in the training facilities is testament to this. Without the parachute payments available to some relegated clubs we are always going to be at a disadvantage in terms of budgets for players. This will change over time as we go up and down from the prem a few times. Getting there for the first time will be the most difficult but Burnley have proved it is possible. The new manager has to accept that there is a limited budget and he has to develop what he has. Rather that than end up like Leeds, Portsmouth, Birmingham or Rangers and whoever is next in that list or be owned by foreign owners who lose interest in their 'investment' when they don't get immediate success. TB and his family go back years with their support of the Albion so lets leave off the short memories. Knocking Barber is also unfair. He has increased the revenue streams coming into the club and is also working to a long term plan.
[quote][p][bold]AburridoEnTrabajo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brianw52[/bold] wrote: I think there is something seriously wrong with our club.[/p][/quote]"Seriously wrong" is when you are half an hour from being relegated from the football league, with no stadium, and unsure whether you will even be allowed into the Conference without a stadium. "Seriously wrong" is when your club has had every asset sold that all that's left is a name, a logo, and a huge amount of debt. Whatever state the club is in now, it is not "seriously wrong".[/p][/quote]Was going to say this was the most relevant comment on here until I read the next one about fat old men in football shirts. I cannot believe supporters are questioning Tony Bloom. This man and his family have taken the Albion to places we never thought possible. TB has made it clear he is not going to risk bankrupting the club. His is a long term plan that will ensure a sustainable club over the years to come. The investment in the training facilities is testament to this. Without the parachute payments available to some relegated clubs we are always going to be at a disadvantage in terms of budgets for players. This will change over time as we go up and down from the prem a few times. Getting there for the first time will be the most difficult but Burnley have proved it is possible. The new manager has to accept that there is a limited budget and he has to develop what he has. Rather that than end up like Leeds, Portsmouth, Birmingham or Rangers and whoever is next in that list or be owned by foreign owners who lose interest in their 'investment' when they don't get immediate success. TB and his family go back years with their support of the Albion so lets leave off the short memories. Knocking Barber is also unfair. He has increased the revenue streams coming into the club and is also working to a long term plan. Aussie Mick
  • Score: 8

8:04pm Mon 12 May 14

JeffLomer says...

psb196 wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
Neville wrote:
Very disillusioned by what is going on at the club yet again and the rumours have proved correct.
I will wait and see what transpires over the next few weeks and this situation must not be allowed to drag on,I expect Sherwood (PB connection) to be approached,if not Mackay who has conveniently just settled his club dispute.
Like many of my season ticket holder colleagues if the playing side is not improved I will hand in my 2 season tickets and just attaend selective matches,I don't think there is likely to be any problem getting tickets next season. Very disappointed on what is going on at the club at present.
Agree with what you say, but I think the likes of Sherwood and Mackay will not be interested due to lack of control!
After this bombshell can you see anyone, be it a coach, manager or player wanting to come here? We will be left to pick up players other teams don't want at this rate, pay them a small fortune and charge us a small fortune for the pleasure! I'm with you on the ticket issue, 3 tickets costing me £1200 plus shirts, pies, drinks etc, pick and choose what games to watch and see how it goes!
"3 tickets costing me £1200 plus shirts, pies, drinks etc".

Why does a grown man have to buy and wear a replica shirt?

Why can't you eat and drink at home before or after the match?

Nobody is forcing you to look a t*t in a replica shirt showing off your disgusting fat belly and nobody is forcing to spend a small fortune on rancid pies and watered down lager fizzy pop.
Psb,

Them above you replied to are a great example off some fans on here, there going to pick there games, who cares what they do, a Brighton fan will go whatever they ain't fans they've jumped on board nice stadium, please jump off and don't come back you ain't fans, call yourself a fan boys when you've been to 22 away games like me, !!
Jog on to Crawley!!
Up the Albion!!
[quote][p][bold]psb196[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Very disillusioned by what is going on at the club yet again and the rumours have proved correct. I will wait and see what transpires over the next few weeks and this situation must not be allowed to drag on,I expect Sherwood (PB connection) to be approached,if not Mackay who has conveniently just settled his club dispute. Like many of my season ticket holder colleagues if the playing side is not improved I will hand in my 2 season tickets and just attaend selective matches,I don't think there is likely to be any problem getting tickets next season. Very disappointed on what is going on at the club at present.[/p][/quote]Agree with what you say, but I think the likes of Sherwood and Mackay will not be interested due to lack of control! After this bombshell can you see anyone, be it a coach, manager or player wanting to come here? We will be left to pick up players other teams don't want at this rate, pay them a small fortune and charge us a small fortune for the pleasure! I'm with you on the ticket issue, 3 tickets costing me £1200 plus shirts, pies, drinks etc, pick and choose what games to watch and see how it goes![/p][/quote]"3 tickets costing me £1200 plus shirts, pies, drinks etc". Why does a grown man have to buy and wear a replica shirt? Why can't you eat and drink at home before or after the match? Nobody is forcing you to look a t*t in a replica shirt showing off your disgusting fat belly and nobody is forcing to spend a small fortune on rancid pies and watered down lager fizzy pop.[/p][/quote]Psb, Them above you replied to are a great example off some fans on here, there going to pick there games, who cares what they do, a Brighton fan will go whatever they ain't fans they've jumped on board nice stadium, please jump off and don't come back you ain't fans, call yourself a fan boys when you've been to 22 away games like me, !! Jog on to Crawley!! Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -6

8:16pm Mon 12 May 14

Chalkgull says...

Nice comments from OG in his letter to the fans. Shame TB and the Barber couldn't say the same about OG in their piece - doesn't feel as they are going to miss him! Shame thought he had done well.
Nice comments from OG in his letter to the fans. Shame TB and the Barber couldn't say the same about OG in their piece - doesn't feel as they are going to miss him! Shame thought he had done well. Chalkgull
  • Score: 2

8:17pm Mon 12 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

If the board were aware of his feelings a few weeks ago, it means they had a chance to assess and potentially pave the way for changes to accommodate.
They chose not to.
So we know we're committed to the current set up and on that basis, I worry about the calibre of person who will take the job on under those conditions, after two reasonably high profile - and very similar - departures.
We have to trust the guv'nor, but it feels like that game where you take blocks from the tower. The tower is still standing and it's made on stern foundations, but a couple of bricks have been removed and it's not quite as stable as it was....
If the board were aware of his feelings a few weeks ago, it means they had a chance to assess and potentially pave the way for changes to accommodate. They chose not to. So we know we're committed to the current set up and on that basis, I worry about the calibre of person who will take the job on under those conditions, after two reasonably high profile - and very similar - departures. We have to trust the guv'nor, but it feels like that game where you take blocks from the tower. The tower is still standing and it's made on stern foundations, but a couple of bricks have been removed and it's not quite as stable as it was.... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 0

8:18pm Mon 12 May 14

Celtic Seagull says...

I think when the dust settles we will not be surprised to see Oscar resurface in Barca. The though crossed my mind a few weeks back for the following reasons (1) Transfer ban pending at the time and need to develop youth from within (suspended now I know), (2) Death of Tito Vilanova and (3) Likely departure of Gerardo Martino. Whilst Oscar is not likely to get the top job he knows the club inside out and could perhaps become the number 2 to the likes of Luis Enrique. In short he would be exactly what they need at this time.
I think when the dust settles we will not be surprised to see Oscar resurface in Barca. The though crossed my mind a few weeks back for the following reasons (1) Transfer ban pending at the time and need to develop youth from within (suspended now I know), (2) Death of Tito Vilanova and (3) Likely departure of Gerardo Martino. Whilst Oscar is not likely to get the top job he knows the club inside out and could perhaps become the number 2 to the likes of Luis Enrique. In short he would be exactly what they need at this time. Celtic Seagull
  • Score: 7

8:22pm Mon 12 May 14

bruce beckett says...

Mixed feelings about Oscar's departure. Think he did a reasonable job given the Bridcutt transfer saga and the injury to Crofts, but was not a great fan of his style of play.

I'm wondering whether this is simply down to budget and behind-the-scenes interference, or whether he has another job lined up?

My money would be on Sherwood to be in charge next season...and I actually think that he could be a good fit.

Of course, it will also come down to how much the new guy has to spend. Hopefully, a reasonable war chest, which could be boosted by the sale of Ulloa and/or Buckley. Might be a good time to cash in on both if other clubs are offering silly money.

Would like to see us sign Matty Fryatt from Hull. He'd score a few in the Championship.
Mixed feelings about Oscar's departure. Think he did a reasonable job given the Bridcutt transfer saga and the injury to Crofts, but was not a great fan of his style of play. I'm wondering whether this is simply down to budget and behind-the-scenes interference, or whether he has another job lined up? My money would be on Sherwood to be in charge next season...and I actually think that he could be a good fit. Of course, it will also come down to how much the new guy has to spend. Hopefully, a reasonable war chest, which could be boosted by the sale of Ulloa and/or Buckley. Might be a good time to cash in on both if other clubs are offering silly money. Would like to see us sign Matty Fryatt from Hull. He'd score a few in the Championship. bruce beckett
  • Score: -3

8:24pm Mon 12 May 14

barnieb says...

Poisoned chalice
Poisoned chalice barnieb
  • Score: -2

8:32pm Mon 12 May 14

damien hilton says...

brianw52 wrote:
I think there is something seriously wrong with our club.
his young daughter needs to be bought up in spain nothing to do with our club wake up nothing wrong with our club
[quote][p][bold]brianw52[/bold] wrote: I think there is something seriously wrong with our club.[/p][/quote]his young daughter needs to be bought up in spain nothing to do with our club wake up nothing wrong with our club damien hilton
  • Score: 1

8:33pm Mon 12 May 14

hannover seagull says...

British manager maybe this time round how about Glenn Hoddle? he is up for a challenge back in the UK
Moyes, too expensive and not interested
Curbishley,no thanks
Malky,possible
Bob Booker,there we go
UTA..
British manager maybe this time round how about Glenn Hoddle? he is up for a challenge back in the UK Moyes, too expensive and not interested Curbishley,no thanks Malky,possible Bob Booker,there we go UTA.. hannover seagull
  • Score: -2

8:34pm Mon 12 May 14

wolf miguel says...

Lets bring in Ryan Giggs & his team to run the new training centre & the Amex. How much will it cost to run both Stadiums next season? It would seem to me we would need EVEN more finance to succeed next season!! This means to me that Tony needs to find extra revenue to cover the increase of the overheads expenses, never mind the players costs etc. I won't hold my breath!
Lets bring in Ryan Giggs & his team to run the new training centre & the Amex. How much will it cost to run both Stadiums next season? It would seem to me we would need EVEN more finance to succeed next season!! This means to me that Tony needs to find extra revenue to cover the increase of the overheads expenses, never mind the players costs etc. I won't hold my breath! wolf miguel
  • Score: -7

8:38pm Mon 12 May 14

Seagull John says...

bruce beckett wrote:
Mixed feelings about Oscar's departure. Think he did a reasonable job given the Bridcutt transfer saga and the injury to Crofts, but was not a great fan of his style of play.

I'm wondering whether this is simply down to budget and behind-the-scenes interference, or whether he has another job lined up?

My money would be on Sherwood to be in charge next season...and I actually think that he could be a good fit.

Of course, it will also come down to how much the new guy has to spend. Hopefully, a reasonable war chest, which could be boosted by the sale of Ulloa and/or Buckley. Might be a good time to cash in on both if other clubs are offering silly money.

Would like to see us sign Matty Fryatt from Hull. He'd score a few in the Championship.
Sherwood clueless at Spurs. And what makes you think we have a reasonable war chest? No sign of one in January. Oscar expected to go, but selling Barnes for a pittance to avoid losing him for nothing was just short sighted and stupid and Oscar obviously felt the same as he says 'The Board knew his views several weeks ago'. And please can Jones go too? Obika was his man, but League One at best. We need another fresh start.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Mixed feelings about Oscar's departure. Think he did a reasonable job given the Bridcutt transfer saga and the injury to Crofts, but was not a great fan of his style of play. I'm wondering whether this is simply down to budget and behind-the-scenes interference, or whether he has another job lined up? My money would be on Sherwood to be in charge next season...and I actually think that he could be a good fit. Of course, it will also come down to how much the new guy has to spend. Hopefully, a reasonable war chest, which could be boosted by the sale of Ulloa and/or Buckley. Might be a good time to cash in on both if other clubs are offering silly money. Would like to see us sign Matty Fryatt from Hull. He'd score a few in the Championship.[/p][/quote]Sherwood clueless at Spurs. And what makes you think we have a reasonable war chest? No sign of one in January. Oscar expected to go, but selling Barnes for a pittance to avoid losing him for nothing was just short sighted and stupid and Oscar obviously felt the same as he says 'The Board knew his views several weeks ago'. And please can Jones go too? Obika was his man, but League One at best. We need another fresh start. Seagull John
  • Score: 0

8:39pm Mon 12 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

OldGull wrote:
Thanks OG, you did an excellent job for us, good luck wherever you go.

TB is not going to break FFP rules.
He is running this club with a long term vision.
If that means running the team on a tight budget until FFP takes effect then so be it.
We need a Manager /Coach who is aware of the constraints and is prepared to work with them.
My preference would be Malky Mackay or Tim Sherwood
I agree with everything you say except for the Tim Sherwood bit. :-)
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: Thanks OG, you did an excellent job for us, good luck wherever you go. TB is not going to break FFP rules. He is running this club with a long term vision. If that means running the team on a tight budget until FFP takes effect then so be it. We need a Manager /Coach who is aware of the constraints and is prepared to work with them. My preference would be Malky Mackay or Tim Sherwood[/p][/quote]I agree with everything you say except for the Tim Sherwood bit. :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

8:43pm Mon 12 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

I wonder what this might all mean to some of our players, or if not exactly ours, then those we have borrowed.

Most would agree that we should sign Ward asap, can we now do that prior to a new manager being installed?
If a big offer comes in for Ulloa, do we take it, should we wait for a new manager, could the price be so big having a new manager doesn't matter, we take it anyway.
Several of our players are soon to be out of contract, if they get an approach to sign on a free, do they hang around for a new manager, wait to see if he offers them a new deal, or just grab what is on offer.
Did we have any tentative talks going on to bring in new blood, if we did, do we now drop that interest in who ever the target might have been.

We need a new guy in by the end of the week, and a new guy that knows something about our players and our division.
I wonder what this might all mean to some of our players, or if not exactly ours, then those we have borrowed. Most would agree that we should sign Ward asap, can we now do that prior to a new manager being installed? If a big offer comes in for Ulloa, do we take it, should we wait for a new manager, could the price be so big having a new manager doesn't matter, we take it anyway. Several of our players are soon to be out of contract, if they get an approach to sign on a free, do they hang around for a new manager, wait to see if he offers them a new deal, or just grab what is on offer. Did we have any tentative talks going on to bring in new blood, if we did, do we now drop that interest in who ever the target might have been. We need a new guy in by the end of the week, and a new guy that knows something about our players and our division. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

8:45pm Mon 12 May 14

damien hilton says...

there are some real doom and gloom merchants on here incuding mbts these people not real fans managers come and they go oscar now puts his family first tried israel now uk if your kid is not happy you make the decision to move on all credit to the man .. good luck where ever you go back to catalonia me thinks
there are some real doom and gloom merchants on here incuding mbts these people not real fans managers come and they go oscar now puts his family first tried israel now uk if your kid is not happy you make the decision to move on all credit to the man .. good luck where ever you go back to catalonia me thinks damien hilton
  • Score: 2

8:47pm Mon 12 May 14

Neville says...

Thinking back I am sure he has never really felt at ease here,and I think this has been shown in his demeanour and interviews. I am guessing he will return home and work in an environment known to him.Anyway a class guy and I wish him every success which I am sure will happen.Albions loss I feel.
Thinking back I am sure he has never really felt at ease here,and I think this has been shown in his demeanour and interviews. I am guessing he will return home and work in an environment known to him.Anyway a class guy and I wish him every success which I am sure will happen.Albions loss I feel. Neville
  • Score: 4

8:48pm Mon 12 May 14

hannover seagull says...

wolf miguel wrote:
Lets bring in Ryan Giggs & his team to run the new training centre & the Amex. How much will it cost to run both Stadiums next season? It would seem to me we would need EVEN more finance to succeed next season!! This means to me that Tony needs to find extra revenue to cover the increase of the overheads expenses, never mind the players costs etc. I won't hold my breath!
Good call but you would need to kidnap him to get him away from his beloved
Man U
He is one of the last bastions of loyalty and apart from that he would not wish to shop in the poundshop
[quote][p][bold]wolf miguel[/bold] wrote: Lets bring in Ryan Giggs & his team to run the new training centre & the Amex. How much will it cost to run both Stadiums next season? It would seem to me we would need EVEN more finance to succeed next season!! This means to me that Tony needs to find extra revenue to cover the increase of the overheads expenses, never mind the players costs etc. I won't hold my breath![/p][/quote]Good call but you would need to kidnap him to get him away from his beloved Man U He is one of the last bastions of loyalty and apart from that he would not wish to shop in the poundshop hannover seagull
  • Score: -2

8:49pm Mon 12 May 14

Neville says...

In the interim I am sure TB will be involved with contracts along with Db unfortunately.
In the interim I am sure TB will be involved with contracts along with Db unfortunately. Neville
  • Score: -1

8:50pm Mon 12 May 14

mark by the sea says...

damien hilton wrote:
there are some real doom and gloom merchants on here incuding mbts these people not real fans managers come and they go oscar now puts his family first tried israel now uk if your kid is not happy you make the decision to move on all credit to the man .. good luck where ever you go back to catalonia me thinks
You talk complete sh-t , what odds he joins a job outside Spain?
You bang on about his daughter missing where exactly? Do you think he is going back to Barcelona ? Lol
[quote][p][bold]damien hilton[/bold] wrote: there are some real doom and gloom merchants on here incuding mbts these people not real fans managers come and they go oscar now puts his family first tried israel now uk if your kid is not happy you make the decision to move on all credit to the man .. good luck where ever you go back to catalonia me thinks[/p][/quote]You talk complete sh-t , what odds he joins a job outside Spain? You bang on about his daughter missing where exactly? Do you think he is going back to Barcelona ? Lol mark by the sea
  • Score: -6

8:50pm Mon 12 May 14

ringtone says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
OldGull wrote:
Thanks OG, you did an excellent job for us, good luck wherever you go.

TB is not going to break FFP rules.
He is running this club with a long term vision.
If that means running the team on a tight budget until FFP takes effect then so be it.
We need a Manager /Coach who is aware of the constraints and is prepared to work with them.
My preference would be Malky Mackay or Tim Sherwood
I agree with everything you say except for the Tim Sherwood bit. :-)
You must be gutted Ex-pat.

How are you going to re-invent yourself?

Maybe you could join UKIP
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: Thanks OG, you did an excellent job for us, good luck wherever you go. TB is not going to break FFP rules. He is running this club with a long term vision. If that means running the team on a tight budget until FFP takes effect then so be it. We need a Manager /Coach who is aware of the constraints and is prepared to work with them. My preference would be Malky Mackay or Tim Sherwood[/p][/quote]I agree with everything you say except for the Tim Sherwood bit. :-)[/p][/quote]You must be gutted Ex-pat. How are you going to re-invent yourself? Maybe you could join UKIP ringtone
  • Score: -2

8:51pm Mon 12 May 14

Jules boy says...

Didn't take long to accept the resignation, maybe Tony wasn't happy with the style of play and tactics like many of us?

Parachute payments is ruining the game, where on earth else do you get rewarded for failure?
Didn't take long to accept the resignation, maybe Tony wasn't happy with the style of play and tactics like many of us? Parachute payments is ruining the game, where on earth else do you get rewarded for failure? Jules boy
  • Score: 4

8:51pm Mon 12 May 14

ballantrrae says...

sussexram40 wrote:
The problem now is that the West Brom job is up for grabs, so I can the top men not wanting to sign a 3 year deal with the Albion until they know they aren't gettting the Baggies job. Could lead to a delay.

Nobody has mentioned Moyes yet. But I still say MacKay.
Actually I mentioned Moyes earlier in this thread but I agree that Mackay would be a good option as would Sherwood or Steve Clarke who for obvious reasons won't be up for the West Brom position. Any thoughts on Meulensteen who was the Coach at Man U under Ferguson only a year ago ?
As I have indicated above I have reservations about DB (Head of Football) I find myself agreeing with other posters that he should leave. My impression which may well be wrong, is that if any department has underperformed it is the player recruitment side - witness the Grabban and Conway situations.
Over to TB to get the right man in as soon as he can. Any delay will I feel prove costly. .
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: The problem now is that the West Brom job is up for grabs, so I can the top men not wanting to sign a 3 year deal with the Albion until they know they aren't gettting the Baggies job. Could lead to a delay. Nobody has mentioned Moyes yet. But I still say MacKay.[/p][/quote]Actually I mentioned Moyes earlier in this thread but I agree that Mackay would be a good option as would Sherwood or Steve Clarke who for obvious reasons won't be up for the West Brom position. Any thoughts on Meulensteen who was the Coach at Man U under Ferguson only a year ago ? As I have indicated above I have reservations about DB (Head of Football) I find myself agreeing with other posters that he should leave. My impression which may well be wrong, is that if any department has underperformed it is the player recruitment side - witness the Grabban and Conway situations. Over to TB to get the right man in as soon as he can. Any delay will I feel prove costly. . ballantrrae
  • Score: 0

8:51pm Mon 12 May 14

FindonGull says...

Shame but it was a huge gamble on a coach who had never managed at this level. Well done for finishing 6th, the attacking style of Derby and other teams have shown where we need to be with a coach that can make us more agressive, stronger and tactically aware. The spanish idea was a risk but will get you no where in this league except avoid relegation. So as a safety measure good, now we can build on our 4th season in the championship and start using our stronger hungry players like Lua Lua and Ince and CMSfor 90 minutes.
Good luck
Luck
Shame but it was a huge gamble on a coach who had never managed at this level. Well done for finishing 6th, the attacking style of Derby and other teams have shown where we need to be with a coach that can make us more agressive, stronger and tactically aware. The spanish idea was a risk but will get you no where in this league except avoid relegation. So as a safety measure good, now we can build on our 4th season in the championship and start using our stronger hungry players like Lua Lua and Ince and CMSfor 90 minutes. Good luck Luck FindonGull
  • Score: 2

8:55pm Mon 12 May 14

mark by the sea says...

ballantrrae wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
The problem now is that the West Brom job is up for grabs, so I can the top men not wanting to sign a 3 year deal with the Albion until they know they aren't gettting the Baggies job. Could lead to a delay.

Nobody has mentioned Moyes yet. But I still say MacKay.
Actually I mentioned Moyes earlier in this thread but I agree that Mackay would be a good option as would Sherwood or Steve Clarke who for obvious reasons won't be up for the West Brom position. Any thoughts on Meulensteen who was the Coach at Man U under Ferguson only a year ago ?
As I have indicated above I have reservations about DB (Head of Football) I find myself agreeing with other posters that he should leave. My impression which may well be wrong, is that if any department has underperformed it is the player recruitment side - witness the Grabban and Conway situations.
Over to TB to get the right man in as soon as he can. Any delay will I feel prove costly. .
Think your find Moyes is after the Everton job, watch the spurs job come up,
My choice would be big Sam
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: The problem now is that the West Brom job is up for grabs, so I can the top men not wanting to sign a 3 year deal with the Albion until they know they aren't gettting the Baggies job. Could lead to a delay. Nobody has mentioned Moyes yet. But I still say MacKay.[/p][/quote]Actually I mentioned Moyes earlier in this thread but I agree that Mackay would be a good option as would Sherwood or Steve Clarke who for obvious reasons won't be up for the West Brom position. Any thoughts on Meulensteen who was the Coach at Man U under Ferguson only a year ago ? As I have indicated above I have reservations about DB (Head of Football) I find myself agreeing with other posters that he should leave. My impression which may well be wrong, is that if any department has underperformed it is the player recruitment side - witness the Grabban and Conway situations. Over to TB to get the right man in as soon as he can. Any delay will I feel prove costly. .[/p][/quote]Think your find Moyes is after the Everton job, watch the spurs job come up, My choice would be big Sam mark by the sea
  • Score: -11

8:57pm Mon 12 May 14

ringtone says...

brightonup wrote:
Shame.....
Here is another of OGs chief cheerleaders.

What did you find so seductive about the previously unheralded genius Oscar Garcia?

Sorry to an Israeli football fans on this site.
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: Shame.....[/p][/quote]Here is another of OGs chief cheerleaders. What did you find so seductive about the previously unheralded genius Oscar Garcia? Sorry to an Israeli football fans on this site. ringtone
  • Score: -7

8:58pm Mon 12 May 14

BHArulz says...

Reality check guys. Over the last 4/6 seasons Brighton have spent huge money with the building of a Premier league stadium and a top notch training facility. Couple this with FFP then you clearly see why budget has to be controlled so stringently. We will be in the Premiership in the next few years but one step at a time. We are still a work in progress.
Reality check guys. Over the last 4/6 seasons Brighton have spent huge money with the building of a Premier league stadium and a top notch training facility. Couple this with FFP then you clearly see why budget has to be controlled so stringently. We will be in the Premiership in the next few years but one step at a time. We are still a work in progress. BHArulz
  • Score: 11

9:00pm Mon 12 May 14

Gazza by the sea says...

All very worrying and not a little puzzling. It's inconceivable that Tony doesn't want what's best for the club - he's as blue and white as any one of us on here so he must truly believe that the organisation structure that he has put in place is the key to success. And with that belief how did Oscar's interview go? Surely our model was explained to him? Either we lied to him, we didn't stick to the plan we outlined or he only ever intended staying a year? No explanation really sounds credible.

The only scenario that works for me is that having seen how much surgery the squad really needs to get promotion he recognised that the available budget simply isn't enough - and given that he inherited a squad that had finished 4th he could be forgiven for thinking that it only needed tweaking.

But; only one championship level keeper (who seems to want out), an ageing and slow central defence whose only genuine protection came from Bridcutt, a borrowed left back, flair players who are on the treatment table more than they are on the pitch, one genuine centre forward and entire team that can't take corners. That's a helluva challenge for anyone. And an expensive one at that.

I'll go and have a lie down. I'll feel better in the morning.
All very worrying and not a little puzzling. It's inconceivable that Tony doesn't want what's best for the club - he's as blue and white as any one of us on here so he must truly believe that the organisation structure that he has put in place is the key to success. And with that belief how did Oscar's interview go? Surely our model was explained to him? Either we lied to him, we didn't stick to the plan we outlined or he only ever intended staying a year? No explanation really sounds credible. The only scenario that works for me is that having seen how much surgery the squad really needs to get promotion he recognised that the available budget simply isn't enough - and given that he inherited a squad that had finished 4th he could be forgiven for thinking that it only needed tweaking. But; only one championship level keeper (who seems to want out), an ageing and slow central defence whose only genuine protection came from Bridcutt, a borrowed left back, flair players who are on the treatment table more than they are on the pitch, one genuine centre forward and entire team that can't take corners. That's a helluva challenge for anyone. And an expensive one at that. I'll go and have a lie down. I'll feel better in the morning. Gazza by the sea
  • Score: 11

9:00pm Mon 12 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

hannover seagull wrote:
British manager maybe this time round how about Glenn Hoddle? he is up for a challenge back in the UK
Moyes, too expensive and not interested
Curbishley,no thanks
Malky,possible
Bob Booker,there we go
UTA..
I'm amazed he's been out of the game so long. He fits the bill for those of us who want to keep a passing style and those who for some reason would prefer a British manager over a foreigner.
[quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: British manager maybe this time round how about Glenn Hoddle? he is up for a challenge back in the UK Moyes, too expensive and not interested Curbishley,no thanks Malky,possible Bob Booker,there we go UTA..[/p][/quote]I'm amazed he's been out of the game so long. He fits the bill for those of us who want to keep a passing style and those who for some reason would prefer a British manager over a foreigner. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

9:01pm Mon 12 May 14

wiseman of hove says...

Seagull John wrote:
bruce beckett wrote:
Mixed feelings about Oscar's departure. Think he did a reasonable job given the Bridcutt transfer saga and the injury to Crofts, but was not a great fan of his style of play.

I'm wondering whether this is simply down to budget and behind-the-scenes interference, or whether he has another job lined up?

My money would be on Sherwood to be in charge next season...and I actually think that he could be a good fit.

Of course, it will also come down to how much the new guy has to spend. Hopefully, a reasonable war chest, which could be boosted by the sale of Ulloa and/or Buckley. Might be a good time to cash in on both if other clubs are offering silly money.

Would like to see us sign Matty Fryatt from Hull. He'd score a few in the Championship.
Sherwood clueless at Spurs. And what makes you think we have a reasonable war chest? No sign of one in January. Oscar expected to go, but selling Barnes for a pittance to avoid losing him for nothing was just short sighted and stupid and Oscar obviously felt the same as he says 'The Board knew his views several weeks ago'. And please can Jones go too? Obika was his man, but League One at best. We need another fresh start.
I share your concerns over Jones but " Sherwood clueless at Spurs"? Taken them to sixth after AVB found wanting, and has a very impressive premier league win ratio. Tough enough to read the riot act when needed. No hiding places for some players here next year if he is appointed.
[quote][p][bold]Seagull John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Mixed feelings about Oscar's departure. Think he did a reasonable job given the Bridcutt transfer saga and the injury to Crofts, but was not a great fan of his style of play. I'm wondering whether this is simply down to budget and behind-the-scenes interference, or whether he has another job lined up? My money would be on Sherwood to be in charge next season...and I actually think that he could be a good fit. Of course, it will also come down to how much the new guy has to spend. Hopefully, a reasonable war chest, which could be boosted by the sale of Ulloa and/or Buckley. Might be a good time to cash in on both if other clubs are offering silly money. Would like to see us sign Matty Fryatt from Hull. He'd score a few in the Championship.[/p][/quote]Sherwood clueless at Spurs. And what makes you think we have a reasonable war chest? No sign of one in January. Oscar expected to go, but selling Barnes for a pittance to avoid losing him for nothing was just short sighted and stupid and Oscar obviously felt the same as he says 'The Board knew his views several weeks ago'. And please can Jones go too? Obika was his man, but League One at best. We need another fresh start.[/p][/quote]I share your concerns over Jones but " Sherwood clueless at Spurs"? Taken them to sixth after AVB found wanting, and has a very impressive premier league win ratio. Tough enough to read the riot act when needed. No hiding places for some players here next year if he is appointed. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 3

9:01pm Mon 12 May 14

Alan Duffy says...

Sorry everybody keeps talking about how slow we were due to lack of players ability or age, but this isn't correct, we were slow recently due to tactics, because Buckley, Macca, Lingard, Solly, Lua Lua are not slow, occasionly (usually last 10 mins) we showed that we could play with pace, Oscar chose to play cautiously, all the same I wish him all the best for the future.
Sorry everybody keeps talking about how slow we were due to lack of players ability or age, but this isn't correct, we were slow recently due to tactics, because Buckley, Macca, Lingard, Solly, Lua Lua are not slow, occasionly (usually last 10 mins) we showed that we could play with pace, Oscar chose to play cautiously, all the same I wish him all the best for the future. Alan Duffy
  • Score: 3

9:04pm Mon 12 May 14

ringtone says...

hannover seagull wrote:
wolf miguel wrote:
Lets bring in Ryan Giggs & his team to run the new training centre & the Amex. How much will it cost to run both Stadiums next season? It would seem to me we would need EVEN more finance to succeed next season!! This means to me that Tony needs to find extra revenue to cover the increase of the overheads expenses, never mind the players costs etc. I won't hold my breath!
Good call but you would need to kidnap him to get him away from his beloved
Man U
He is one of the last bastions of loyalty and apart from that he would not wish to shop in the poundshop
Ryan Giggs and the word loyalty do not belong in the same sentence, ask his family.

Oh but he stayed at Man united his whole career, yes that must have been a tough decision to make.
[quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wolf miguel[/bold] wrote: Lets bring in Ryan Giggs & his team to run the new training centre & the Amex. How much will it cost to run both Stadiums next season? It would seem to me we would need EVEN more finance to succeed next season!! This means to me that Tony needs to find extra revenue to cover the increase of the overheads expenses, never mind the players costs etc. I won't hold my breath![/p][/quote]Good call but you would need to kidnap him to get him away from his beloved Man U He is one of the last bastions of loyalty and apart from that he would not wish to shop in the poundshop[/p][/quote]Ryan Giggs and the word loyalty do not belong in the same sentence, ask his family. Oh but he stayed at Man united his whole career, yes that must have been a tough decision to make. ringtone
  • Score: 5

9:05pm Mon 12 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

ballantrrae wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
The problem now is that the West Brom job is up for grabs, so I can the top men not wanting to sign a 3 year deal with the Albion until they know they aren't gettting the Baggies job. Could lead to a delay.

Nobody has mentioned Moyes yet. But I still say MacKay.
Actually I mentioned Moyes earlier in this thread but I agree that Mackay would be a good option as would Sherwood or Steve Clarke who for obvious reasons won't be up for the West Brom position. Any thoughts on Meulensteen who was the Coach at Man U under Ferguson only a year ago ?
As I have indicated above I have reservations about DB (Head of Football) I find myself agreeing with other posters that he should leave. My impression which may well be wrong, is that if any department has underperformed it is the player recruitment side - witness the Grabban and Conway situations.
Over to TB to get the right man in as soon as he can. Any delay will I feel prove costly. .
Steve Clarke for me. Did a superb job at the wrong Albion but you just know he would get slated on here for his dour demeanor :-)
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: The problem now is that the West Brom job is up for grabs, so I can the top men not wanting to sign a 3 year deal with the Albion until they know they aren't gettting the Baggies job. Could lead to a delay. Nobody has mentioned Moyes yet. But I still say MacKay.[/p][/quote]Actually I mentioned Moyes earlier in this thread but I agree that Mackay would be a good option as would Sherwood or Steve Clarke who for obvious reasons won't be up for the West Brom position. Any thoughts on Meulensteen who was the Coach at Man U under Ferguson only a year ago ? As I have indicated above I have reservations about DB (Head of Football) I find myself agreeing with other posters that he should leave. My impression which may well be wrong, is that if any department has underperformed it is the player recruitment side - witness the Grabban and Conway situations. Over to TB to get the right man in as soon as he can. Any delay will I feel prove costly. .[/p][/quote]Steve Clarke for me. Did a superb job at the wrong Albion but you just know he would get slated on here for his dour demeanor :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

9:06pm Mon 12 May 14

bruce beckett says...

Why are some people on this blog so aggressive with their comments? Seems to be a very British thing. Don't we all support the same club, after all?
Why are some people on this blog so aggressive with their comments? Seems to be a very British thing. Don't we all support the same club, after all? bruce beckett
  • Score: -5

9:09pm Mon 12 May 14

driverchris53 says...

i have been going to Albion games since 1963 but would not go if Giggs got job thankfully it is more likely that i would get it
i have been going to Albion games since 1963 but would not go if Giggs got job thankfully it is more likely that i would get it driverchris53
  • Score: 0

9:10pm Mon 12 May 14

hannover seagull says...

damien hilton wrote:
there are some real doom and gloom merchants on here incuding mbts these people not real fans managers come and they go oscar now puts his family first tried israel now uk if your kid is not happy you make the decision to move on all credit to the man .. good luck where ever you go back to catalonia me thinks
In defence of MBTS he has been posting on here since Adams days like me and over the years has been equal with praise and brutal honesty about our succsess as well as our failures
Thats what true fans do,life is not rosy in the Amex garden at the moment and we all know it
UTA..
[quote][p][bold]damien hilton[/bold] wrote: there are some real doom and gloom merchants on here incuding mbts these people not real fans managers come and they go oscar now puts his family first tried israel now uk if your kid is not happy you make the decision to move on all credit to the man .. good luck where ever you go back to catalonia me thinks[/p][/quote]In defence of MBTS he has been posting on here since Adams days like me and over the years has been equal with praise and brutal honesty about our succsess as well as our failures Thats what true fans do,life is not rosy in the Amex garden at the moment and we all know it UTA.. hannover seagull
  • Score: 10

9:13pm Mon 12 May 14

wiseman of hove says...

Jules boy wrote:
Didn't take long to accept the resignation, maybe Tony wasn't happy with the style of play and tactics like many of us?

Parachute payments is ruining the game, where on earth else do you get rewarded for failure?
I think your speculation as to the Chairman's view on style of play and tactics may well be right. I expect a very quick appointment.
[quote][p][bold]Jules boy[/bold] wrote: Didn't take long to accept the resignation, maybe Tony wasn't happy with the style of play and tactics like many of us? Parachute payments is ruining the game, where on earth else do you get rewarded for failure?[/p][/quote]I think your speculation as to the Chairman's view on style of play and tactics may well be right. I expect a very quick appointment. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 3

9:14pm Mon 12 May 14

brightonup says...

What an inconsequential noise Dungtone is!
Not content with pointless insults about Garcia's tenure as manager, he turns his drivel on anyone who regrets that he resigned.
He really is a dullard!
What an inconsequential noise Dungtone is! Not content with pointless insults about Garcia's tenure as manager, he turns his drivel on anyone who regrets that he resigned. He really is a dullard! brightonup
  • Score: 5

9:16pm Mon 12 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

driverchris53 wrote:
i have been going to Albion games since 1963 but would not go if Giggs got job thankfully it is more likely that i would get it
Why ever not?
[quote][p][bold]driverchris53[/bold] wrote: i have been going to Albion games since 1963 but would not go if Giggs got job thankfully it is more likely that i would get it[/p][/quote]Why ever not? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -3

9:18pm Mon 12 May 14

ringtone says...

Hopefully the new Guvnor will put an end to the spanish love in.

Buy british if you wanna go up, look at Leicester and Burnley.

I wonder if Big Sam could be tempted?

Dream on Ringtone
Hopefully the new Guvnor will put an end to the spanish love in. Buy british if you wanna go up, look at Leicester and Burnley. I wonder if Big Sam could be tempted? Dream on Ringtone ringtone
  • Score: -6

9:26pm Mon 12 May 14

ringtone says...

brightonup wrote:
What an inconsequential noise Dungtone is!
Not content with pointless insults about Garcia's tenure as manager, he turns his drivel on anyone who regrets that he resigned.
He really is a dullard!
I respect Oscar for quitting.

The director of football is a joke like the sale of Murray to Palace.

And we know who made those decisions
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: What an inconsequential noise Dungtone is! Not content with pointless insults about Garcia's tenure as manager, he turns his drivel on anyone who regrets that he resigned. He really is a dullard![/p][/quote]I respect Oscar for quitting. The director of football is a joke like the sale of Murray to Palace. And we know who made those decisions ringtone
  • Score: -2

9:29pm Mon 12 May 14

SecondReserve says...

I have to say that to be honest I was never totally convinced by Garcia so I’m not as concerned as some that he has quit. He never really related to the fans, he didn’t show real passion and he appointed an assistant who only seemed to be able to speak in clichés. Most importantly though he promised attacking football but actually served up football that was ultra-defensive and extremely negative (and in truth our football was often tedious).

I don’t know the details of who really does what regarding transfers at The Albion but it is a fact that during Garcia’s tenure we sold some of our better players, replaced them with inferior players and made some very poor signings indeed (Agustien, Rodriguez, Lita, Obika).

However, much more worrying than that though is the fact that in each of the last two seasons we have had a manager who was successful enough to get us to the play-offs but each of those managers has wanted to quit before they end of the season. That’s very odd indeed so why has it happened?

Poyet and Garcia are very different characters but clearly they were both totally unhappy about some important aspects of the way things are run at The Albion. I have no inside knowledge of the internal workings of the club or of why two successful managers have wanted to quit but I can make an educated guess and it would be the same guess as many of our fans are making.

Clearly this is something that the real hierarchy at the club (i.e. Tony Bloom) need to think about and address before we appoint the next manager. It certainly appears that all is not right within the club and the problem(s) needs to be sorted.

And surely the big question is Are we actually interested in getting into the Premiership? I believe there is serious doubt about that (i.e. ‘the ceiling’, two tame play-off failures etc.). I have willingly spent an awful lot of time and money following The Albion, home and away, for many years but I am not going to continue doing that if it is clear that the club have settled for the status quo and are not seriously interested in moving to the next level.
I have to say that to be honest I was never totally convinced by Garcia so I’m not as concerned as some that he has quit. He never really related to the fans, he didn’t show real passion and he appointed an assistant who only seemed to be able to speak in clichés. Most importantly though he promised attacking football but actually served up football that was ultra-defensive and extremely negative (and in truth our football was often tedious). I don’t know the details of who really does what regarding transfers at The Albion but it is a fact that during Garcia’s tenure we sold some of our better players, replaced them with inferior players and made some very poor signings indeed (Agustien, Rodriguez, Lita, Obika). However, much more worrying than that though is the fact that in each of the last two seasons we have had a manager who was successful enough to get us to the play-offs but each of those managers has wanted to quit before they end of the season. That’s very odd indeed so why has it happened? Poyet and Garcia are very different characters but clearly they were both totally unhappy about some important aspects of the way things are run at The Albion. I have no inside knowledge of the internal workings of the club or of why two successful managers have wanted to quit but I can make an educated guess and it would be the same guess as many of our fans are making. Clearly this is something that the real hierarchy at the club (i.e. Tony Bloom) need to think about and address before we appoint the next manager. It certainly appears that all is not right within the club and the problem(s) needs to be sorted. And surely the big question is Are we actually interested in getting into the Premiership? I believe there is serious doubt about that (i.e. ‘the ceiling’, two tame play-off failures etc.). I have willingly spent an awful lot of time and money following The Albion, home and away, for many years but I am not going to continue doing that if it is clear that the club have settled for the status quo and are not seriously interested in moving to the next level. SecondReserve
  • Score: 8

9:32pm Mon 12 May 14

challster says...

I'm sorry to see Oscar go. As in any mangement structure of any business, surely someone has to take responsibility for allowing two good managers to go after reaching consecutive playoffs. Come on, is it not clear that some one needs to ease the reigns and give our managers, sorry, 'coaches' some space to choose their signings ! Oscar you are an ambassador for the great game and most of all for BHA. The thousands of supporters have witnessed that over the course of the last footballing year. A player and manager of your calibre brought us much clout. But sadly we never had the chance to see the true signings you (I'm sure) wished to make. This year was a good 'bedrock' to build on. I'm sure we would have achieved auto promo next year with Oscar in charge and. 'Overseeing transfers' after all Oscar has had more footballing mileage than certain other members deciding on who to sign. Look I'm no expert but I speak sincerely about this. It's about time certain members of the board respect the 'true role' a manager has in inspiring his players, that starts at the buying stage. I respect the budget issues but this one should have been up to Garcia to decide. I am a true albion fan but ill only put my albion heart on the line when necessary and that moment is now! Thanks for a great year Oscar! In Oscar we trust !! - A north stand fan of goldstone and Amex.
I'm sorry to see Oscar go. As in any mangement structure of any business, surely someone has to take responsibility for allowing two good managers to go after reaching consecutive playoffs. Come on, is it not clear that some one needs to ease the reigns and give our managers, sorry, 'coaches' some space to choose their signings ! Oscar you are an ambassador for the great game and most of all for BHA. The thousands of supporters have witnessed that over the course of the last footballing year. A player and manager of your calibre brought us much clout. But sadly we never had the chance to see the true signings you (I'm sure) wished to make. This year was a good 'bedrock' to build on. I'm sure we would have achieved auto promo next year with Oscar in charge and. 'Overseeing transfers' after all Oscar has had more footballing mileage than certain other members deciding on who to sign. Look I'm no expert but I speak sincerely about this. It's about time certain members of the board respect the 'true role' a manager has in inspiring his players, that starts at the buying stage. I respect the budget issues but this one should have been up to Garcia to decide. I am a true albion fan but ill only put my albion heart on the line when necessary and that moment is now! Thanks for a great year Oscar! In Oscar we trust !! - A north stand fan of goldstone and Amex. challster
  • Score: 3

9:46pm Mon 12 May 14

Mancgulled says...

Utterly stunned! There was I thinking well .... 3 seasons in arguably the toughest league and 2 out of 3 we make the play-offs - you just got to hand it to the lads - they might frustrate you but they try like hell - excellent carry on - but no! It is very very worrying that two quality up and coming managers have now elected to leave. I liked Gus and Oscar and I think that despite their Spanish take on football style in this league that if we ever did get to the premiership their training methods would eventually serve us well - witness Swansea City. This cannot have a positive effect on the players - anyone feeling unsettled will now feel doubly so - can't believe its happening again! Interesting to see who comes into the job this time. Malky Mackay seems the obvious yes please liek candidate but will his more direct style suit us? Also - before he was Cardiff manager he presided over that dreadful Watford team of the first season in the Championship so it hasn't all been great with him - but my first preference would be him - pity Reading didn't sack Adkins!
Utterly stunned! There was I thinking well .... 3 seasons in arguably the toughest league and 2 out of 3 we make the play-offs - you just got to hand it to the lads - they might frustrate you but they try like hell - excellent carry on - but no! It is very very worrying that two quality up and coming managers have now elected to leave. I liked Gus and Oscar and I think that despite their Spanish take on football style in this league that if we ever did get to the premiership their training methods would eventually serve us well - witness Swansea City. This cannot have a positive effect on the players - anyone feeling unsettled will now feel doubly so - can't believe its happening again! Interesting to see who comes into the job this time. Malky Mackay seems the obvious yes please liek candidate but will his more direct style suit us? Also - before he was Cardiff manager he presided over that dreadful Watford team of the first season in the Championship so it hasn't all been great with him - but my first preference would be him - pity Reading didn't sack Adkins! Mancgulled
  • Score: 0

9:51pm Mon 12 May 14

Mancgulled says...

Correction - my son tells me Malky was only caretaker manager of Watford -- get him in!
Correction - my son tells me Malky was only caretaker manager of Watford -- get him in! Mancgulled
  • Score: -1

9:57pm Mon 12 May 14

Seagull John says...

mark by the sea wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
The problem now is that the West Brom job is up for grabs, so I can the top men not wanting to sign a 3 year deal with the Albion until they know they aren't gettting the Baggies job. Could lead to a delay.

Nobody has mentioned Moyes yet. But I still say MacKay.
Actually I mentioned Moyes earlier in this thread but I agree that Mackay would be a good option as would Sherwood or Steve Clarke who for obvious reasons won't be up for the West Brom position. Any thoughts on Meulensteen who was the Coach at Man U under Ferguson only a year ago ?
As I have indicated above I have reservations about DB (Head of Football) I find myself agreeing with other posters that he should leave. My impression which may well be wrong, is that if any department has underperformed it is the player recruitment side - witness the Grabban and Conway situations.
Over to TB to get the right man in as soon as he can. Any delay will I feel prove costly. .
Think your find Moyes is after the Everton job, watch the spurs job come up,
My choice would be big Sam
Hooooooof!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: The problem now is that the West Brom job is up for grabs, so I can the top men not wanting to sign a 3 year deal with the Albion until they know they aren't gettting the Baggies job. Could lead to a delay. Nobody has mentioned Moyes yet. But I still say MacKay.[/p][/quote]Actually I mentioned Moyes earlier in this thread but I agree that Mackay would be a good option as would Sherwood or Steve Clarke who for obvious reasons won't be up for the West Brom position. Any thoughts on Meulensteen who was the Coach at Man U under Ferguson only a year ago ? As I have indicated above I have reservations about DB (Head of Football) I find myself agreeing with other posters that he should leave. My impression which may well be wrong, is that if any department has underperformed it is the player recruitment side - witness the Grabban and Conway situations. Over to TB to get the right man in as soon as he can. Any delay will I feel prove costly. .[/p][/quote]Think your find Moyes is after the Everton job, watch the spurs job come up, My choice would be big Sam[/p][/quote]Hooooooof! Seagull John
  • Score: 5

9:57pm Mon 12 May 14

Diliusdog2 says...

Does this mean Joe Cole won't be signing now?
Does this mean Joe Cole won't be signing now? Diliusdog2
  • Score: 3

9:58pm Mon 12 May 14

To baldly go says...

JeffLomer wrote:
psb196 wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
Neville wrote:
Very disillusioned by what is going on at the club yet again and the rumours have proved correct.
I will wait and see what transpires over the next few weeks and this situation must not be allowed to drag on,I expect Sherwood (PB connection) to be approached,if not Mackay who has conveniently just settled his club dispute.
Like many of my season ticket holder colleagues if the playing side is not improved I will hand in my 2 season tickets and just attaend selective matches,I don't think there is likely to be any problem getting tickets next season. Very disappointed on what is going on at the club at present.
Agree with what you say, but I think the likes of Sherwood and Mackay will not be interested due to lack of control!
After this bombshell can you see anyone, be it a coach, manager or player wanting to come here? We will be left to pick up players other teams don't want at this rate, pay them a small fortune and charge us a small fortune for the pleasure! I'm with you on the ticket issue, 3 tickets costing me £1200 plus shirts, pies, drinks etc, pick and choose what games to watch and see how it goes!
"3 tickets costing me £1200 plus shirts, pies, drinks etc".

Why does a grown man have to buy and wear a replica shirt?

Why can't you eat and drink at home before or after the match?

Nobody is forcing you to look a t*t in a replica shirt showing off your disgusting fat belly and nobody is forcing to spend a small fortune on rancid pies and watered down lager fizzy pop.
Psb,

Them above you replied to are a great example off some fans on here, there going to pick there games, who cares what they do, a Brighton fan will go whatever they ain't fans they've jumped on board nice stadium, please jump off and don't come back you ain't fans, call yourself a fan boys when you've been to 22 away games like me, !!
Jog on to Crawley!!
Up the Albion!!
FU you ignorant ****, I could eat and drink at home, wear normal clothes and watch the game online like some of the tightwad so called fans on here, but as a supporter I wear my shirt with pride and spend my hard earned cash at the Amex, and hope it goes towards paying the wages of the players etc at the club, my wife and son come along too, hoping to be entertained, but sadly this season it hasn't happened! Hence the frustration in my post,
You call yourself a fan because you've been to 22 away games, whoopy doo for you, perhaps your fortunate enough not to have to work, or you could be a dole bludger and spend other peoples taxes to enjoy yourself, personally, I just think you bank at barclays. Jog on knob jockeys!
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]psb196[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Very disillusioned by what is going on at the club yet again and the rumours have proved correct. I will wait and see what transpires over the next few weeks and this situation must not be allowed to drag on,I expect Sherwood (PB connection) to be approached,if not Mackay who has conveniently just settled his club dispute. Like many of my season ticket holder colleagues if the playing side is not improved I will hand in my 2 season tickets and just attaend selective matches,I don't think there is likely to be any problem getting tickets next season. Very disappointed on what is going on at the club at present.[/p][/quote]Agree with what you say, but I think the likes of Sherwood and Mackay will not be interested due to lack of control! After this bombshell can you see anyone, be it a coach, manager or player wanting to come here? We will be left to pick up players other teams don't want at this rate, pay them a small fortune and charge us a small fortune for the pleasure! I'm with you on the ticket issue, 3 tickets costing me £1200 plus shirts, pies, drinks etc, pick and choose what games to watch and see how it goes![/p][/quote]"3 tickets costing me £1200 plus shirts, pies, drinks etc". Why does a grown man have to buy and wear a replica shirt? Why can't you eat and drink at home before or after the match? Nobody is forcing you to look a t*t in a replica shirt showing off your disgusting fat belly and nobody is forcing to spend a small fortune on rancid pies and watered down lager fizzy pop.[/p][/quote]Psb, Them above you replied to are a great example off some fans on here, there going to pick there games, who cares what they do, a Brighton fan will go whatever they ain't fans they've jumped on board nice stadium, please jump off and don't come back you ain't fans, call yourself a fan boys when you've been to 22 away games like me, !! Jog on to Crawley!! Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]FU you ignorant ****, I could eat and drink at home, wear normal clothes and watch the game online like some of the tightwad so called fans on here, but as a supporter I wear my shirt with pride and spend my hard earned cash at the Amex, and hope it goes towards paying the wages of the players etc at the club, my wife and son come along too, hoping to be entertained, but sadly this season it hasn't happened! Hence the frustration in my post, You call yourself a fan because you've been to 22 away games, whoopy doo for you, perhaps your fortunate enough not to have to work, or you could be a dole bludger and spend other peoples taxes to enjoy yourself, personally, I just think you bank at barclays. Jog on knob jockeys! To baldly go
  • Score: 3

10:09pm Mon 12 May 14

Mancgulled says...

Steve Clarke, Darren Ferguson, Di Matteo -- lots of quality out there! At least no more Nathan Jones ..................
Steve Clarke, Darren Ferguson, Di Matteo -- lots of quality out there! At least no more Nathan Jones .................. Mancgulled
  • Score: 1

10:14pm Mon 12 May 14

Mancgulled says...

Gianfranco Zola?????????
Gianfranco Zola????????? Mancgulled
  • Score: 3

10:18pm Mon 12 May 14

mikeygit says...

Forgive me if my comments have been made--but too many posts to read them all--BUT I believe that Bloom has got to get a grip and FAST. Something is fundamentally wrong when to 2 managers with very different temperaments quit the club in each season. Bloom owes it to the paying fans to explain why the managers have quit and be honest and then change the way the club is run so we get a manager who stays and gets the team playing to a Premiership standard. Yes we have done well to get up to 6th in the league but it is obvious that both Poyet and Oscar believed with a different approach we would now be in the Premiership. I, along with many other fans was shocked at last seasons goings on but to have another similar episode THIS season as well beggars belief. PLEASE Tony Bloom think of your GREAT fan base and come out in the next few days with an honest appraisal of what has gone wrong and why your managers do not have faith and what you intend to do about it to restore some confidence as I honestly believe that confidence is shot at the moment---do not throw away all the good that has been done over the last few years---I am confident you WILL turn things around.
Forgive me if my comments have been made--but too many posts to read them all--BUT I believe that Bloom has got to get a grip and FAST. Something is fundamentally wrong when to 2 managers with very different temperaments quit the club in each season. Bloom owes it to the paying fans to explain why the managers have quit and be honest and then change the way the club is run so we get a manager who stays and gets the team playing to a Premiership standard. Yes we have done well to get up to 6th in the league but it is obvious that both Poyet and Oscar believed with a different approach we would now be in the Premiership. I, along with many other fans was shocked at last seasons goings on but to have another similar episode THIS season as well beggars belief. PLEASE Tony Bloom think of your GREAT fan base and come out in the next few days with an honest appraisal of what has gone wrong and why your managers do not have faith and what you intend to do about it to restore some confidence as I honestly believe that confidence is shot at the moment---do not throw away all the good that has been done over the last few years---I am confident you WILL turn things around. mikeygit
  • Score: 7

10:24pm Mon 12 May 14

the taffster says...

Best all round.this season has been turgid at best,,,,negative football.playing the Barcelona way with Sussex county league players...
Best all round.this season has been turgid at best,,,,negative football.playing the Barcelona way with Sussex county league players... the taffster
  • Score: -5

10:31pm Mon 12 May 14

bruce beckett says...

Good to see I have five thumbs down already about some of the particularly unpleasant posters who frequent this site. Thanks for proving my point!
Good to see I have five thumbs down already about some of the particularly unpleasant posters who frequent this site. Thanks for proving my point! bruce beckett
  • Score: -3

10:40pm Mon 12 May 14

the taffster says...

mikeygit wrote:
Forgive me if my comments have been made--but too many posts to read them all--BUT I believe that Bloom has got to get a grip and FAST. Something is fundamentally wrong when to 2 managers with very different temperaments quit the club in each season. Bloom owes it to the paying fans to explain why the managers have quit and be honest and then change the way the club is run so we get a manager who stays and gets the team playing to a Premiership standard. Yes we have done well to get up to 6th in the league but it is obvious that both Poyet and Oscar believed with a different approach we would now be in the Premiership. I, along with many other fans was shocked at last seasons goings on but to have another similar episode THIS season as well beggars belief. PLEASE Tony Bloom think of your GREAT fan base and come out in the next few days with an honest appraisal of what has gone wrong and why your managers do not have faith and what you intend to do about it to restore some confidence as I honestly believe that confidence is shot at the moment---do not throw away all the good that has been done over the last few years---I am confident you WILL turn things around.
Exactly. RiiGht Tony bloom .what's happening to our club? Is it manageable ? Who's picking the team.who's choosing transfer targets? You could end up with a state of the art facilities. With no supporters... The play offs were just a farce.we went even up for it? Tired of being told were not quite ready for the pship,,,,,,were bigger than. Southampton Norwich and palace.... Time to deliver....
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Forgive me if my comments have been made--but too many posts to read them all--BUT I believe that Bloom has got to get a grip and FAST. Something is fundamentally wrong when to 2 managers with very different temperaments quit the club in each season. Bloom owes it to the paying fans to explain why the managers have quit and be honest and then change the way the club is run so we get a manager who stays and gets the team playing to a Premiership standard. Yes we have done well to get up to 6th in the league but it is obvious that both Poyet and Oscar believed with a different approach we would now be in the Premiership. I, along with many other fans was shocked at last seasons goings on but to have another similar episode THIS season as well beggars belief. PLEASE Tony Bloom think of your GREAT fan base and come out in the next few days with an honest appraisal of what has gone wrong and why your managers do not have faith and what you intend to do about it to restore some confidence as I honestly believe that confidence is shot at the moment---do not throw away all the good that has been done over the last few years---I am confident you WILL turn things around.[/p][/quote]Exactly. RiiGht Tony bloom .what's happening to our club? Is it manageable ? Who's picking the team.who's choosing transfer targets? You could end up with a state of the art facilities. With no supporters... The play offs were just a farce.we went even up for it? Tired of being told were not quite ready for the pship,,,,,,were bigger than. Southampton Norwich and palace.... Time to deliver.... the taffster
  • Score: 3

11:04pm Mon 12 May 14

Mark Dixon says...

I am so pleased to see the board have rushed a statement out, NOT!!!
I am so pleased to see the board have rushed a statement out, NOT!!! Mark Dixon
  • Score: 2

11:13pm Mon 12 May 14

BIG TROUBLE says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
If the board were aware of his feelings a few weeks ago, it means they had a chance to assess and potentially pave the way for changes to accommodate.
They chose not to.
So we know we're committed to the current set up and on that basis, I worry about the calibre of person who will take the job on under those conditions, after two reasonably high profile - and very similar - departures.
We have to trust the guv'nor, but it feels like that game where you take blocks from the tower. The tower is still standing but a couple of bricks have been removed and it's not quite as stable as it was....
JENGA
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: If the board were aware of his feelings a few weeks ago, it means they had a chance to assess and potentially pave the way for changes to accommodate. They chose not to. So we know we're committed to the current set up and on that basis, I worry about the calibre of person who will take the job on under those conditions, after two reasonably high profile - and very similar - departures. We have to trust the guv'nor, but it feels like that game where you take blocks from the tower. The tower is still standing but a couple of bricks have been removed and it's not quite as stable as it was....[/p][/quote]JENGA BIG TROUBLE
  • Score: 2

11:53pm Mon 12 May 14

Ontheline says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Deja Vu.
It's Gus all over again
A manager who wasn't happy and knew he wasn't staying BEFORE the play offs. No wonder we were so rubbish in the playoffs again.
I posted quite often that Oscar wouldn't be at the club next year - and I was shot down in flames on here by the so called experts.
I've argued consistently for a British manager who has been there, done it and got the t shirt. Finally that looks like happening.
Malky McKay please. He's the man we need and will get us promoted in 2 seasons as long as the Bs let him get on with the job. Malky knows best. Make no mistake.
Mr arrogant Malky McKay, knows best, really?
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Deja Vu. It's Gus all over again A manager who wasn't happy and knew he wasn't staying BEFORE the play offs. No wonder we were so rubbish in the playoffs again. I posted quite often that Oscar wouldn't be at the club next year - and I was shot down in flames on here by the so called experts. I've argued consistently for a British manager who has been there, done it and got the t shirt. Finally that looks like happening. Malky McKay please. He's the man we need and will get us promoted in 2 seasons as long as the Bs let him get on with the job. Malky knows best. Make no mistake.[/p][/quote]Mr arrogant Malky McKay, knows best, really? Ontheline
  • Score: 1

11:53pm Mon 12 May 14

Ontheline says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Deja Vu.
It's Gus all over again
A manager who wasn't happy and knew he wasn't staying BEFORE the play offs. No wonder we were so rubbish in the playoffs again.
I posted quite often that Oscar wouldn't be at the club next year - and I was shot down in flames on here by the so called experts.
I've argued consistently for a British manager who has been there, done it and got the t shirt. Finally that looks like happening.
Malky McKay please. He's the man we need and will get us promoted in 2 seasons as long as the Bs let him get on with the job. Malky knows best. Make no mistake.
Mr arrogant Malky McKay, knows best, really?
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Deja Vu. It's Gus all over again A manager who wasn't happy and knew he wasn't staying BEFORE the play offs. No wonder we were so rubbish in the playoffs again. I posted quite often that Oscar wouldn't be at the club next year - and I was shot down in flames on here by the so called experts. I've argued consistently for a British manager who has been there, done it and got the t shirt. Finally that looks like happening. Malky McKay please. He's the man we need and will get us promoted in 2 seasons as long as the Bs let him get on with the job. Malky knows best. Make no mistake.[/p][/quote]Mr arrogant Malky McKay, knows best, really? Ontheline
  • Score: 0

12:22am Tue 13 May 14

CanadianSeagull says...

Please.not Malky or Sherwood!,

Laudrup, Di Matteo, or how about Giggsy & Neville/Scholes?

Dare I suggest Hoddle......Sorry, better the Sherwood though!
Please.not Malky or Sherwood!, Laudrup, Di Matteo, or how about Giggsy & Neville/Scholes? Dare I suggest Hoddle......Sorry, better the Sherwood though! CanadianSeagull
  • Score: 1

1:01am Tue 13 May 14

Vince says...

My verdict - Albion have a talented squad - one of the best in the division. Ulloa, Buckley, Orlandi, CMS, Ince, Lua Lua, Crofts, Ward, Stephens, March and Bruno are all quality players. Look at the way we demolished Leicester, Burnley and Q.P.R. and gave Wigan an absolute roasting but were incredibly unlucky to lose that game.

I can't dispute that finishing 6th was a remarkable achievement all things considered, and Oscar clearly was a man who was dignified and not prone to the tantrums of Poyet. Against this he came across as a man who was severely depressed - a lonely figure wandering up and down the touchline wondering what to do. In harmony with this sombre mood, I found the first half of many of the games tedious to say the least - and it was only the last 20 minutes of most home games (apart from Leicester) that we really showed any attacking intent when that amazing impact player, Lua Lua, was thrown into the fray.

The constant injuries were very disruptive. Playing only one striker and the slow build up to our attacks was tedious - and Oscar was too cautious in that respect. Also his substitutions were nearly always far too late - and usually made after the "horse had bolted" so to speak.

So whilst I congratulate Oscar for his achievement, the players too deserve our accolades for helping him to achieve that target. In particular Ulloa, Upson, Ward, Ince and for much of the season Crofts and Bruno. Buckley March and Lua Lua when they played were also a constant threat and Kuszack (until the end of season matches) performed very well.

Our main problem is the defence now that the back four are getting on in years, and this was exposed by Derby and would have been by many premiership sides. Some rebuilding here. Also we have a crying need for a creative midfielder and the wingers need to practice and practice crossing balls until they can actually hit the intended targets!

I actually welcome the chance to appoint a new more attack-minded manager such as "Steve McClaren" or a "Sean Dyche" (managers whose teams are set up to attack with purpose and speed).

No one has mentioned Steve Coppell or Michael Laudrup who would be great managers in my opinion (and possibly Liam Brady), and I think Roberto Di Matteo or Gianfranca Zola have the experience and enthusiasm to turn us into a formidable attacking unit. Their teams are prone to leak goals at the back though.

A change often heralds a bright new future!
UTA
My verdict - Albion have a talented squad - one of the best in the division. Ulloa, Buckley, Orlandi, CMS, Ince, Lua Lua, Crofts, Ward, Stephens, March and Bruno are all quality players. Look at the way we demolished Leicester, Burnley and Q.P.R. and gave Wigan an absolute roasting but were incredibly unlucky to lose that game. I can't dispute that finishing 6th was a remarkable achievement all things considered, and Oscar clearly was a man who was dignified and not prone to the tantrums of Poyet. Against this he came across as a man who was severely depressed - a lonely figure wandering up and down the touchline wondering what to do. In harmony with this sombre mood, I found the first half of many of the games tedious to say the least - and it was only the last 20 minutes of most home games (apart from Leicester) that we really showed any attacking intent when that amazing impact player, Lua Lua, was thrown into the fray. The constant injuries were very disruptive. Playing only one striker and the slow build up to our attacks was tedious - and Oscar was too cautious in that respect. Also his substitutions were nearly always far too late - and usually made after the "horse had bolted" so to speak. So whilst I congratulate Oscar for his achievement, the players too deserve our accolades for helping him to achieve that target. In particular Ulloa, Upson, Ward, Ince and for much of the season Crofts and Bruno. Buckley March and Lua Lua when they played were also a constant threat and Kuszack (until the end of season matches) performed very well. Our main problem is the defence now that the back four are getting on in years, and this was exposed by Derby and would have been by many premiership sides. Some rebuilding here. Also we have a crying need for a creative midfielder and the wingers need to practice and practice crossing balls until they can actually hit the intended targets! I actually welcome the chance to appoint a new more attack-minded manager such as "Steve McClaren" or a "Sean Dyche" (managers whose teams are set up to attack with purpose and speed). No one has mentioned Steve Coppell or Michael Laudrup who would be great managers in my opinion (and possibly Liam Brady), and I think Roberto Di Matteo or Gianfranca Zola have the experience and enthusiasm to turn us into a formidable attacking unit. Their teams are prone to leak goals at the back though. A change often heralds a bright new future! UTA Vince
  • Score: 4

1:46am Tue 13 May 14

old codger75 says...

As Osca Wilde wrote.... To lose one may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness
As Osca Wilde wrote.... To lose one may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness old codger75
  • Score: 5

1:50am Tue 13 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

We don't know why Oscar resigned, the smoking gun has not been revealed, but with a little thought we can maybe work it out.

It wasn't anything to do with the stadium, it's world class, and we have a world class new training facility about to open.
Oscar appears to have had a good relationship with Bloom, and Bloom would not have been involved in the day to day running of the club, so I think we can rule out a rift between them as the reason.
Oscar made a point of thanking Barber for all his help over the last ten months, so no problem between them.
Oscar wanted Grabban, Barber came up with the money, so the coffers were not empty, so, 'at that time,' I don't think it was a transfer kitty issue.
Oscar stated that the board knew of his concerns, and have for several weeks, they also knew, just as we do from what Oscar has said, that he didn't want to lose key players, but he did.
Oscar was not happy about replacements not coming in during the January window, Greer refered to this in one of his interviews, yes he was stating his own opinion, but as club captain he would have had his finger on the pulse and would be aware of what Oscar was thinking.
Players arrived on loan that just didn't play, even when at times we were seriously short of fit players to select, at best they got a few minutes from the bench.

So we had some money but didn't buy. We sold and didn't replace. We tried to sign but failed in our attempts (I discount Grabban, he was never coming). We borrowed players that didn't get used, to any real extent. The commitment to the infrastructure of the club was clear for all to see, including Oscar. With the sale of the naming rights to our training ground, and the shirt deal, new money was coming in to the club, some of that money would surly have made it's way to the transfer kitty for next season. Our Head Coach got on well with his staff, Barber and Bloom, but still something was wrong but what?

It's not rocket science is it.
We don't know why Oscar resigned, the smoking gun has not been revealed, but with a little thought we can maybe work it out. It wasn't anything to do with the stadium, it's world class, and we have a world class new training facility about to open. Oscar appears to have had a good relationship with Bloom, and Bloom would not have been involved in the day to day running of the club, so I think we can rule out a rift between them as the reason. Oscar made a point of thanking Barber for all his help over the last ten months, so no problem between them. Oscar wanted Grabban, Barber came up with the money, so the coffers were not empty, so, 'at that time,' I don't think it was a transfer kitty issue. Oscar stated that the board knew of his concerns, and have for several weeks, they also knew, just as we do from what Oscar has said, that he didn't want to lose key players, but he did. Oscar was not happy about replacements not coming in during the January window, Greer refered to this in one of his interviews, yes he was stating his own opinion, but as club captain he would have had his finger on the pulse and would be aware of what Oscar was thinking. Players arrived on loan that just didn't play, even when at times we were seriously short of fit players to select, at best they got a few minutes from the bench. So we had some money but didn't buy. We sold and didn't replace. We tried to sign but failed in our attempts (I discount Grabban, he was never coming). We borrowed players that didn't get used, to any real extent. The commitment to the infrastructure of the club was clear for all to see, including Oscar. With the sale of the naming rights to our training ground, and the shirt deal, new money was coming in to the club, some of that money would surly have made it's way to the transfer kitty for next season. Our Head Coach got on well with his staff, Barber and Bloom, but still something was wrong but what? It's not rocket science is it. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

4:03am Tue 13 May 14

CanadianSeagull says...

Vince wrote:
My verdict - Albion have a talented squad - one of the best in the division. Ulloa, Buckley, Orlandi, CMS, Ince, Lua Lua, Crofts, Ward, Stephens, March and Bruno are all quality players. Look at the way we demolished Leicester, Burnley and Q.P.R. and gave Wigan an absolute roasting but were incredibly unlucky to lose that game.

I can't dispute that finishing 6th was a remarkable achievement all things considered, and Oscar clearly was a man who was dignified and not prone to the tantrums of Poyet. Against this he came across as a man who was severely depressed - a lonely figure wandering up and down the touchline wondering what to do. In harmony with this sombre mood, I found the first half of many of the games tedious to say the least - and it was only the last 20 minutes of most home games (apart from Leicester) that we really showed any attacking intent when that amazing impact player, Lua Lua, was thrown into the fray.

The constant injuries were very disruptive. Playing only one striker and the slow build up to our attacks was tedious - and Oscar was too cautious in that respect. Also his substitutions were nearly always far too late - and usually made after the "horse had bolted" so to speak.

So whilst I congratulate Oscar for his achievement, the players too deserve our accolades for helping him to achieve that target. In particular Ulloa, Upson, Ward, Ince and for much of the season Crofts and Bruno. Buckley March and Lua Lua when they played were also a constant threat and Kuszack (until the end of season matches) performed very well.

Our main problem is the defence now that the back four are getting on in years, and this was exposed by Derby and would have been by many premiership sides. Some rebuilding here. Also we have a crying need for a creative midfielder and the wingers need to practice and practice crossing balls until they can actually hit the intended targets!

I actually welcome the chance to appoint a new more attack-minded manager such as "Steve McClaren" or a "Sean Dyche" (managers whose teams are set up to attack with purpose and speed).

No one has mentioned Steve Coppell or Michael Laudrup who would be great managers in my opinion (and possibly Liam Brady), and I think Roberto Di Matteo or Gianfranca Zola have the experience and enthusiasm to turn us into a formidable attacking unit. Their teams are prone to leak goals at the back though.

A change often heralds a bright new future!
UTA
An excellent post here, yes the players and Oscar deserve accolades for punching hard against a heavy burden. I liked OG's temperament after Gus, but he did look a lonely figure on the sideline at times.
A real shame to lose him, I thought he gave us stability in his role. He echoed class.
Your right a bright new future beckons!
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: My verdict - Albion have a talented squad - one of the best in the division. Ulloa, Buckley, Orlandi, CMS, Ince, Lua Lua, Crofts, Ward, Stephens, March and Bruno are all quality players. Look at the way we demolished Leicester, Burnley and Q.P.R. and gave Wigan an absolute roasting but were incredibly unlucky to lose that game. I can't dispute that finishing 6th was a remarkable achievement all things considered, and Oscar clearly was a man who was dignified and not prone to the tantrums of Poyet. Against this he came across as a man who was severely depressed - a lonely figure wandering up and down the touchline wondering what to do. In harmony with this sombre mood, I found the first half of many of the games tedious to say the least - and it was only the last 20 minutes of most home games (apart from Leicester) that we really showed any attacking intent when that amazing impact player, Lua Lua, was thrown into the fray. The constant injuries were very disruptive. Playing only one striker and the slow build up to our attacks was tedious - and Oscar was too cautious in that respect. Also his substitutions were nearly always far too late - and usually made after the "horse had bolted" so to speak. So whilst I congratulate Oscar for his achievement, the players too deserve our accolades for helping him to achieve that target. In particular Ulloa, Upson, Ward, Ince and for much of the season Crofts and Bruno. Buckley March and Lua Lua when they played were also a constant threat and Kuszack (until the end of season matches) performed very well. Our main problem is the defence now that the back four are getting on in years, and this was exposed by Derby and would have been by many premiership sides. Some rebuilding here. Also we have a crying need for a creative midfielder and the wingers need to practice and practice crossing balls until they can actually hit the intended targets! I actually welcome the chance to appoint a new more attack-minded manager such as "Steve McClaren" or a "Sean Dyche" (managers whose teams are set up to attack with purpose and speed). No one has mentioned Steve Coppell or Michael Laudrup who would be great managers in my opinion (and possibly Liam Brady), and I think Roberto Di Matteo or Gianfranca Zola have the experience and enthusiasm to turn us into a formidable attacking unit. Their teams are prone to leak goals at the back though. A change often heralds a bright new future! UTA[/p][/quote]An excellent post here, yes the players and Oscar deserve accolades for punching hard against a heavy burden. I liked OG's temperament after Gus, but he did look a lonely figure on the sideline at times. A real shame to lose him, I thought he gave us stability in his role. He echoed class. Your right a bright new future beckons! CanadianSeagull
  • Score: 4

8:52am Tue 13 May 14

lenward says...

Disappointed to see Oscar go. The manager or head coach what ever name they give will have to know that he will have limited resources for players. Because I think the club is spending on the club before it spends on the players. 90 odd million on the stadium, 23 million on a new training ground. If that is not a club working for a bright future, then I don't know what is. When we first moved into the Amex , Gus himself said it will take at least 5 to 6 years to why the club needed to be for promotion, but he was not willing to want 5 or 6 years, and by the look of it neither was Oscar. look at clubs like Leeds , Blackburn finished mid table. Blackpool went up to the premiership and came straight back down and struggled to stay up this season. At the moment we would probably do the same. Now we have had a pretty good season, a little frustrating at times I must admit , but on the whole good. We have to learn to be a little patient, and so will the new person coming in, that's why the club needs to be completely open and honest about what is happening at the club. If there can do that we may be able to that person for more than one season, if they are good of course.
Disappointed to see Oscar go. The manager or head coach what ever name they give will have to know that he will have limited resources for players. Because I think the club is spending on the club before it spends on the players. 90 odd million on the stadium, 23 million on a new training ground. If that is not a club working for a bright future, then I don't know what is. When we first moved into the Amex , Gus himself said it will take at least 5 to 6 years to why the club needed to be for promotion, but he was not willing to want 5 or 6 years, and by the look of it neither was Oscar. look at clubs like Leeds , Blackburn finished mid table. Blackpool went up to the premiership and came straight back down and struggled to stay up this season. At the moment we would probably do the same. Now we have had a pretty good season, a little frustrating at times I must admit , but on the whole good. We have to learn to be a little patient, and so will the new person coming in, that's why the club needs to be completely open and honest about what is happening at the club. If there can do that we may be able to that person for more than one season, if they are good of course. lenward
  • Score: 0

11:21am Tue 13 May 14

pte says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
We don't know why Oscar resigned, the smoking gun has not been revealed, but with a little thought we can maybe work it out.

It wasn't anything to do with the stadium, it's world class, and we have a world class new training facility about to open.
Oscar appears to have had a good relationship with Bloom, and Bloom would not have been involved in the day to day running of the club, so I think we can rule out a rift between them as the reason.
Oscar made a point of thanking Barber for all his help over the last ten months, so no problem between them.
Oscar wanted Grabban, Barber came up with the money, so the coffers were not empty, so, 'at that time,' I don't think it was a transfer kitty issue.
Oscar stated that the board knew of his concerns, and have for several weeks, they also knew, just as we do from what Oscar has said, that he didn't want to lose key players, but he did.
Oscar was not happy about replacements not coming in during the January window, Greer refered to this in one of his interviews, yes he was stating his own opinion, but as club captain he would have had his finger on the pulse and would be aware of what Oscar was thinking.
Players arrived on loan that just didn't play, even when at times we were seriously short of fit players to select, at best they got a few minutes from the bench.

So we had some money but didn't buy. We sold and didn't replace. We tried to sign but failed in our attempts (I discount Grabban, he was never coming). We borrowed players that didn't get used, to any real extent. The commitment to the infrastructure of the club was clear for all to see, including Oscar. With the sale of the naming rights to our training ground, and the shirt deal, new money was coming in to the club, some of that money would surly have made it's way to the transfer kitty for next season. Our Head Coach got on well with his staff, Barber and Bloom, but still something was wrong but what?

It's not rocket science is it.
"Oscar appears to have had a good relationship with Bloom," So good in fact he resigned! Bloom as a tax exile can't always be there for detailed items but will be for major financial matters to secure his investment

Of course he praised Barber he does want to work again! But it woulds be wrong to blame Barber as he is Blooms trusted lieutenant.

The letter was agreed beforehand with the club to allow his release. In fact OG was happy to sugar coat the pill and maintain an upbeat tone. That makes him look more successful and employable
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: We don't know why Oscar resigned, the smoking gun has not been revealed, but with a little thought we can maybe work it out. It wasn't anything to do with the stadium, it's world class, and we have a world class new training facility about to open. Oscar appears to have had a good relationship with Bloom, and Bloom would not have been involved in the day to day running of the club, so I think we can rule out a rift between them as the reason. Oscar made a point of thanking Barber for all his help over the last ten months, so no problem between them. Oscar wanted Grabban, Barber came up with the money, so the coffers were not empty, so, 'at that time,' I don't think it was a transfer kitty issue. Oscar stated that the board knew of his concerns, and have for several weeks, they also knew, just as we do from what Oscar has said, that he didn't want to lose key players, but he did. Oscar was not happy about replacements not coming in during the January window, Greer refered to this in one of his interviews, yes he was stating his own opinion, but as club captain he would have had his finger on the pulse and would be aware of what Oscar was thinking. Players arrived on loan that just didn't play, even when at times we were seriously short of fit players to select, at best they got a few minutes from the bench. So we had some money but didn't buy. We sold and didn't replace. We tried to sign but failed in our attempts (I discount Grabban, he was never coming). We borrowed players that didn't get used, to any real extent. The commitment to the infrastructure of the club was clear for all to see, including Oscar. With the sale of the naming rights to our training ground, and the shirt deal, new money was coming in to the club, some of that money would surly have made it's way to the transfer kitty for next season. Our Head Coach got on well with his staff, Barber and Bloom, but still something was wrong but what? It's not rocket science is it.[/p][/quote]"Oscar appears to have had a good relationship with Bloom," So good in fact he resigned! Bloom as a tax exile can't always be there for detailed items but will be for major financial matters to secure his investment Of course he praised Barber he does want to work again! But it woulds be wrong to blame Barber as he is Blooms trusted lieutenant. The letter was agreed beforehand with the club to allow his release. In fact OG was happy to sugar coat the pill and maintain an upbeat tone. That makes him look more successful and employable pte
  • Score: 1

11:32am Tue 13 May 14

Eddy B says...

There is very little difference between all the mid table teams in the championship - we could just as easily find ourselves fighting relegation as challenging for the play off places. Then the momentum of the new stadium and the exciting squad Gus collected and the 27k crowds will seep away.

To maintain TB's 5 year premiership challenge we have to act decisively. We have to appoint an ambitious manager. We have to throw some money at some new players. We might have to risk flouting the FFP rules.
There is very little difference between all the mid table teams in the championship - we could just as easily find ourselves fighting relegation as challenging for the play off places. Then the momentum of the new stadium and the exciting squad Gus collected and the 27k crowds will seep away. To maintain TB's 5 year premiership challenge we have to act decisively. We have to appoint an ambitious manager. We have to throw some money at some new players. We might have to risk flouting the FFP rules. Eddy B
  • Score: 1

1:02pm Tue 13 May 14

fairweathersupporter says...

I apologise for this but if you post views here, then this is perhaps of interest and these are interesting times. And it's not just for the sake of any ego issues, mine or anyone elses and probably of more interest; Sherwood look's like a goer by the way.

Well my flabber has well and truly been gasted and not just by events at the Albion. those who post on here regularly will know me for my fence sitting, hopefully reasonable, occasionally well thought (?) out views and a bit of dodgy poetry. Humour optional dependant on your particular disposition. i am an ardent fan and enjoy expressing views from a variety of perspectives and try to avoid self promotion and i told you so.
I ask not for support but an answer what is wrong with the post i put up yesterday? It received thumbs up from friend, foe and fan and plenty of them. There are grammar errors and some of the wording could have been better. But why take it down. Is there an over sensitive reporter or editor out there. Has your moderator decided that thinly veiled references to swearing, blasphemy, threats and other forms of abuse are acceptable but my post is not? And don't even go there with the trolls!!! Has someone taken offence at the first three sentences and thought that i dare to criticise the mighty Argus? It was not a comment on the article or the Argus, you rather over sensitive Argus person. It was saying that no one knows. It was saying don't panic. It was saying don't just blame the Burkes and Barbers. It was saying look at the hand that feeds you Your article was just reporting more or less verbatim a couple of press releases. And those releases did not answer the questions that would be asked. So not your fault. Everyone starts somewhere and whatever your faults (and there are many), why would i take issue without being plain? For the sake of all that's holy to you, is the Argus's ego that sensitive?

Hungry for news and responsible views? Want a balanced and well written article on what's occurring and why? Well there isn't one at the moment. So let's jump to conclusions and run off at the mouth. Let the soothsayers suggest that they were right all along and the pessimists demand retribution. Let the optimists look forward to next season and the rest of us try and break the fence. The WUMS can of course set the tone to varying degrees of success.
One thing that does escape many on here though... The suits and the Barbers and Burke's are Tony's men. So cry for blood all you like, cherry pick the facts to suit your own point of view, But there is no sign of the generals being purged by the leader. And it is those generals who decide policy along with El Dictator. This ain't no democracy, however much you paid for your ticket. The fluffy days are behind us but remember who paid the piper. I gladly dance to his tune given the alternatives which are largely within recent memory, even for the goldfish on here.
It's not as bad as some would have you think. It's a little disappointing and some of that pent up passion needs venting. But Coaches are ten a penny, players come and go. A good owner is very hard to find...
I apologise for this but if you post views here, then this is perhaps of interest and these are interesting times. And it's not just for the sake of any ego issues, mine or anyone elses and probably of more interest; Sherwood look's like a goer by the way. Well my flabber has well and truly been gasted and not just by events at the Albion. those who post on here regularly will know me for my fence sitting, hopefully reasonable, occasionally well thought (?) out views and a bit of dodgy poetry. Humour optional dependant on your particular disposition. i am an ardent fan and enjoy expressing views from a variety of perspectives and try to avoid self promotion and i told you so. I ask not for support but an answer what is wrong with the post i put up yesterday? It received thumbs up from friend, foe and fan and plenty of them. There are grammar errors and some of the wording could have been better. But why take it down. Is there an over sensitive reporter or editor out there. Has your moderator decided that thinly veiled references to swearing, blasphemy, threats and other forms of abuse are acceptable but my post is not? And don't even go there with the trolls!!! Has someone taken offence at the first three sentences and thought that i dare to criticise the mighty Argus? It was not a comment on the article or the Argus, you rather over sensitive Argus person. It was saying that no one knows. It was saying don't panic. It was saying don't just blame the Burkes and Barbers. It was saying look at the hand that feeds you Your article was just reporting more or less verbatim a couple of press releases. And those releases did not answer the questions that would be asked. So not your fault. Everyone starts somewhere and whatever your faults (and there are many), why would i take issue without being plain? For the sake of all that's holy to you, is the Argus's ego that sensitive? Hungry for news and responsible views? Want a balanced and well written article on what's occurring and why? Well there isn't one at the moment. So let's jump to conclusions and run off at the mouth. Let the soothsayers suggest that they were right all along and the pessimists demand retribution. Let the optimists look forward to next season and the rest of us try and break the fence. The WUMS can of course set the tone to varying degrees of success. One thing that does escape many on here though... The suits and the Barbers and Burke's are Tony's men. So cry for blood all you like, cherry pick the facts to suit your own point of view, But there is no sign of the generals being purged by the leader. And it is those generals who decide policy along with El Dictator. This ain't no democracy, however much you paid for your ticket. The fluffy days are behind us but remember who paid the piper. I gladly dance to his tune given the alternatives which are largely within recent memory, even for the goldfish on here. It's not as bad as some would have you think. It's a little disappointing and some of that pent up passion needs venting. But Coaches are ten a penny, players come and go. A good owner is very hard to find... fairweathersupporter
I apologise for this but if you post views here, then this is perhaps of interest and these are interesting times. And it's not just for the sake of any ego issues, mine or anyone elses and probably of more interest; Sherwood look's like a goer by the way. Well my flabber has well and truly been gasted and not just by events at the Albion. those who post on here regularly will know me for my fence sitting, hopefully reasonable, occasionally well thought (?) out views and a bit of dodgy poetry. Humour optional dependant on your particular disposition. i am an ardent fan and enjoy expressing views from a variety of perspectives and try to avoid self promotion and i told you so. I ask not for support but an answer what is wrong with the post i put up yesterday? It received thumbs up from friend, foe and fan and plenty of them. There are grammar errors and some of the wording could have been better. But why take it down. Is there an over sensitive reporter or editor out there. Has your moderator decided that thinly veiled references to swearing, blasphemy, threats and other forms of abuse are acceptable but my post is not? And don't even go there with the trolls!!! Has someone taken offence at the first three sentences and thought that i dare to criticise the mighty Argus? It was not a comment on the article or the Argus, you rather over sensitive Argus person. It was saying that no one knows. It was saying don't panic. It was saying don't just blame the Burkes and Barbers. It was saying look at the hand that feeds you Your article was just reporting more or less verbatim a couple of press releases. And those releases did not answer the questions that would be asked. So not your fault. Everyone starts somewhere and whatever your faults (and there are many), why would i take issue without being plain? For the sake of all that's holy to you, is the Argus's ego that sensitive? Hungry for news and responsible views? Want a balanced and well written article on what's occurring and why? Well there isn't one at the moment. So let's jump to conclusions and run off at the mouth. Let the soothsayers suggest that they were right all along and the pessimists demand retribution. Let the optimists look forward to next season and the rest of us try and break the fence. The WUMS can of course set the tone to varying degrees of success. One thing that does escape many on here though... The suits and the Barbers and Burke's are Tony's men. So cry for blood all you like, cherry pick the facts to suit your own point of view, But there is no sign of the generals being purged by the leader. And it is those generals who decide policy along with El Dictator. This ain't no democracy, however much you paid for your ticket. The fluffy days are behind us but remember who paid the piper. I gladly dance to his tune given the alternatives which are largely within recent memory, even for the goldfish on here. It's not as bad as some would have you think. It's a little disappointing and some of that pent up passion needs venting. But Coaches are ten a penny, players come and go. A good owner is very hard to find... I apologise for this but if you post views here, then this is perhaps of interest and these are interesting times. And it's not just for the sake of any ego issues, mine or anyone elses and probably of more interest; Sherwood look's like a goer by the way. Well my flabber has well and truly been gasted and not just by events at the Albion. those who post on here regularly will know me for my fence sitting, hopefully reasonable, occasionally well thought (?) out views and a bit of dodgy poetry. Humour optional dependant on your particular disposition. i am an ardent fan and enjoy expressing views from a variety of perspectives and try to avoid self promotion and i told you so. I ask not for support but an answer what is wrong with the post i put up yesterday? It received thumbs up from friend, foe and fan and plenty of them. There are grammar errors and some of the wording could have been better. But why take it down. Is there an over sensitive reporter or editor out there. Has your moderator decided that thinly veiled references to swearing, blasphemy, threats and other forms of abuse are acceptable but my post is not? And don't even go there with the trolls!!! Has someone taken offence at the first three sentences and thought that i dare to criticise the mighty Argus? It was not a comment on the article or the Argus, you rather over sensitive Argus person. It was saying that no one knows. It was saying don't panic. It was saying don't just blame the Burkes and Barbers. It was saying look at the hand that feeds you Your article was just reporting more or less verbatim a couple of press releases. And those releases did not answer the questions that would be asked. So not your fault. Everyone starts somewhere and whatever your faults (and there are many), why would i take issue without being plain? For the sake of all that's holy to you, is the Argus's ego that sensitive? Hungry for news and responsible views? Want a balanced and well written article on what's occurring and why? Well there isn't one at the moment. So let's jump to conclusions and run off at the mouth. Let the soothsayers suggest that they were right all along and the pessimists demand retribution. Let the optimists look forward to next season and the rest of us try and break the fence. The WUMS can of course set the tone to varying degrees of success. One thing that does escape many on here though... The suits and the Barbers and Burke's are Tony's men. So cry for blood all you like, cherry pick the facts to suit your own point of view, But there is no sign of the generals being purged by the leader. And it is those generals who decide policy along with El Dictator. This ain't no democracy, however much you paid for your ticket. The fluffy days are behind us but remember who paid the piper. I gladly dance to his tune given the alternatives which are largely within recent memory, even for the goldfish on here. It's not as bad as some would have you think. It's a little disappointing and some of that pent up passion needs venting. But Coaches are ten a penny, players come and go. A good owner is very hard to find... fairweathersupporter fairweathersupporter
  • Score: 2

8:03pm Tue 13 May 14

damien hilton says...

mark by the sea wrote:
damien hilton wrote: there are some real doom and gloom merchants on here incuding mbts these people not real fans managers come and they go oscar now puts his family first tried israel now uk if your kid is not happy you make the decision to move on all credit to the man .. good luck where ever you go back to catalonia me thinks
You talk complete sh-t , what odds he joins a job outside Spain? You bang on about his daughter missing where exactly? Do you think he is going back to Barcelona ? Lol
you really are a sad individual mbts i never said she was missing said she was unhappy you obviously not capable of having children and understanding their needs all praise for oscar for being a man i get fed up reading your posts negative all the time be a man and true fan and get behind the owner if it was not for him there would be no bha from a supporter of 44 years lol
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]damien hilton[/bold] wrote: there are some real doom and gloom merchants on here incuding mbts these people not real fans managers come and they go oscar now puts his family first tried israel now uk if your kid is not happy you make the decision to move on all credit to the man .. good luck where ever you go back to catalonia me thinks[/p][/quote]You talk complete sh-t , what odds he joins a job outside Spain? You bang on about his daughter missing where exactly? Do you think he is going back to Barcelona ? Lol[/p][/quote]you really are a sad individual mbts i never said she was missing said she was unhappy you obviously not capable of having children and understanding their needs all praise for oscar for being a man i get fed up reading your posts negative all the time be a man and true fan and get behind the owner if it was not for him there would be no bha from a supporter of 44 years lol damien hilton
  • Score: 1

8:08pm Tue 13 May 14

damien hilton says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
We don't know why Oscar resigned, the smoking gun has not been revealed, but with a little thought we can maybe work it out. It wasn't anything to do with the stadium, it's world class, and we have a world class new training facility about to open. Oscar appears to have had a good relationship with Bloom, and Bloom would not have been involved in the day to day running of the club, so I think we can rule out a rift between them as the reason. Oscar made a point of thanking Barber for all his help over the last ten months, so no problem between them. Oscar wanted Grabban, Barber came up with the money, so the coffers were not empty, so, 'at that time,' I don't think it was a transfer kitty issue. Oscar stated that the board knew of his concerns, and have for several weeks, they also knew, just as we do from what Oscar has said, that he didn't want to lose key players, but he did. Oscar was not happy about replacements not coming in during the January window, Greer refered to this in one of his interviews, yes he was stating his own opinion, but as club captain he would have had his finger on the pulse and would be aware of what Oscar was thinking. Players arrived on loan that just didn't play, even when at times we were seriously short of fit players to select, at best they got a few minutes from the bench. So we had some money but didn't buy. We sold and didn't replace. We tried to sign but failed in our attempts (I discount Grabban, he was never coming). We borrowed players that didn't get used, to any real extent. The commitment to the infrastructure of the club was clear for all to see, including Oscar. With the sale of the naming rights to our training ground, and the shirt deal, new money was coming in to the club, some of that money would surly have made it's way to the transfer kitty for next season. Our Head Coach got on well with his staff, Barber and Bloom, but still something was wrong but what? It's not rocket science is it.
his daughter unhappy couldnt settle here thats not rocket science oscar put his family first all credit to him
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: We don't know why Oscar resigned, the smoking gun has not been revealed, but with a little thought we can maybe work it out. It wasn't anything to do with the stadium, it's world class, and we have a world class new training facility about to open. Oscar appears to have had a good relationship with Bloom, and Bloom would not have been involved in the day to day running of the club, so I think we can rule out a rift between them as the reason. Oscar made a point of thanking Barber for all his help over the last ten months, so no problem between them. Oscar wanted Grabban, Barber came up with the money, so the coffers were not empty, so, 'at that time,' I don't think it was a transfer kitty issue. Oscar stated that the board knew of his concerns, and have for several weeks, they also knew, just as we do from what Oscar has said, that he didn't want to lose key players, but he did. Oscar was not happy about replacements not coming in during the January window, Greer refered to this in one of his interviews, yes he was stating his own opinion, but as club captain he would have had his finger on the pulse and would be aware of what Oscar was thinking. Players arrived on loan that just didn't play, even when at times we were seriously short of fit players to select, at best they got a few minutes from the bench. So we had some money but didn't buy. We sold and didn't replace. We tried to sign but failed in our attempts (I discount Grabban, he was never coming). We borrowed players that didn't get used, to any real extent. The commitment to the infrastructure of the club was clear for all to see, including Oscar. With the sale of the naming rights to our training ground, and the shirt deal, new money was coming in to the club, some of that money would surly have made it's way to the transfer kitty for next season. Our Head Coach got on well with his staff, Barber and Bloom, but still something was wrong but what? It's not rocket science is it.[/p][/quote]his daughter unhappy couldnt settle here thats not rocket science oscar put his family first all credit to him damien hilton
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