Albion told Sherwood is the one for them

Spurs boss Tim Sherwood has been tipped as the ideal man to manage Albion

Spurs boss Tim Sherwood has been tipped as the ideal man to manage Albion

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Albion were today told bookies’ favourite Tim Sherwood is the man to get them promoted – if they can get him.

The current Tottenham manager was as short as 6-1 ON to become Albion’s next boss last night as they began the search for a replacement for Oscar Garcia.

Oscar’s resignation was accepted by the Seagulls after talks yesterday, leaving chairman Tony Bloom hunting for his third manager or head coach in little more than a year.

Former Albion midfielder Warren Aspinall, who now follows them as a pundit for BBC Radio Sussex, has backed Bloom to make a wise appointment.

And he reckons Sherwood, who is expected to leave Spurs this summer, would be the best choice.

Apsinall said: “If Tottenham get rid of Tim Sherwood I would love him at the Amex.

“He’s a football man, he will put kids in, he has got a Plan B and he is a winner. I like the way we have played under Gus Poyet and Oscar but we have never had a Plan B.

“I played with Tim for England youth and I speak to him quite a bit.

“What he has done in the circumstances at Tottenham is unbelievable and he would be first choice for me.

“I’ve seen him go 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 4-3-3. “Oscar has done brilliantly after taking over from Gus, who was such a success.

“But to get out of the Championship you need somebody who really knows English football.

“Tim would be ideal if we could get him – but he won’t come cheap.

“Brighton would be a great next stop for him if he leaves Spurs. He’s the man to get us promoted.”

Oscar stepped down after his first season in England ended in play-off defeat at Derby.

He is not believed to have a new job lined up although he was being linked in Spain last night with the impending vacancy at Celta.

In a statement released by the club, Oscar said Albion should not have been totally surprised by his resignation.

He said: “The club has been aware of my thoughts for several weeks and during this time I have had discussions with both the chairman, Tony Bloom, and chief executive, Paul Barber.

“I have enjoyed my time with the club but, although I do not have any immediate plans, I have decided to move on.”

Bloom said: “We are extremely grateful to Oscar for his efforts this past year, and for providing us with another exciting and memorable season at the club.”

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6:42am Tue 13 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Even if Sherwood is the choice, the potential problem I see is that with so many vacancies around, he may want to test the market place before dropping down to the Championship. (Assuming he leaves Spurs of course)
While I'd rather wait to get the right bloke than rush through a dud, we don't want another wasted summer.
Even if Sherwood is the choice, the potential problem I see is that with so many vacancies around, he may want to test the market place before dropping down to the Championship. (Assuming he leaves Spurs of course) While I'd rather wait to get the right bloke than rush through a dud, we don't want another wasted summer. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 5

6:46am Tue 13 May 14

mark5 says...

I am sure you are right Warren, however, if Sherwood were interested, he would want to know that resources would be available to rebuild the team in his own style and that would be the 64 million dollar question (no pun intended!)
I am sure you are right Warren, however, if Sherwood were interested, he would want to know that resources would be available to rebuild the team in his own style and that would be the 64 million dollar question (no pun intended!) mark5
  • Score: 7

6:50am Tue 13 May 14

Alfie T says...

He's young hot headed and inexperienced, is he really the right choice to get us promoted ? Malky Mac would get my vote.
He's young hot headed and inexperienced, is he really the right choice to get us promoted ? Malky Mac would get my vote. Alfie T
  • Score: 13

6:52am Tue 13 May 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Sherwood would do it for me. Although the question mark would be over whether he would go straight into another Premier League vacancy rather than "risk" moving to a Championship club. If he is prepared to make such a move, I would think Albion would be an extremely attractive proposition for him and we could have a matching with massive potential. Other issues such as budget and acceptable management structure would also need to work in his eyes, or be amended where possible (although our budget may not be readily changeable to any significant degree).

I like the bookies optimism though!

UTA!!
Sherwood would do it for me. Although the question mark would be over whether he would go straight into another Premier League vacancy rather than "risk" moving to a Championship club. If he is prepared to make such a move, I would think Albion would be an extremely attractive proposition for him and we could have a matching with massive potential. Other issues such as budget and acceptable management structure would also need to work in his eyes, or be amended where possible (although our budget may not be readily changeable to any significant degree). I like the bookies optimism though! UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: -3

7:03am Tue 13 May 14

AlanDuffy says...

Sherwood was considered when we appointed Oscar, Bloom and Levy are pals, if he leaves Spurs as seems likely, then I'd be happy to have him. Personally, I'm a bit bored with the tippy tappy possession football we've seen over the last few seasons, Derby hammered us with quick, incisive football, pace and attacking intent. I pay to be entertained and frankly last season, with the exception of a couple of games, I wasn't. Let's get a manager like McClaren or Dyche and let him buy his own players - Sherwood gets my vote.
Sherwood was considered when we appointed Oscar, Bloom and Levy are pals, if he leaves Spurs as seems likely, then I'd be happy to have him. Personally, I'm a bit bored with the tippy tappy possession football we've seen over the last few seasons, Derby hammered us with quick, incisive football, pace and attacking intent. I pay to be entertained and frankly last season, with the exception of a couple of games, I wasn't. Let's get a manager like McClaren or Dyche and let him buy his own players - Sherwood gets my vote. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 16

7:04am Tue 13 May 14

Mark Dixon says...

Sorry we need a manager in place within weeks not months and like plenty of other Malky would be my choice.

Trouble is whoever gets the job as Head Coach will have his hands tied behind his back from minute one.
Sorry we need a manager in place within weeks not months and like plenty of other Malky would be my choice. Trouble is whoever gets the job as Head Coach will have his hands tied behind his back from minute one. Mark Dixon
  • Score: 13

7:05am Tue 13 May 14

Alfie T says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Sherwood would do it for me. Although the question mark would be over whether he would go straight into another Premier League vacancy rather than "risk" moving to a Championship club. If he is prepared to make such a move, I would think Albion would be an extremely attractive proposition for him and we could have a matching with massive potential. Other issues such as budget and acceptable management structure would also need to work in his eyes, or be amended where possible (although our budget may not be readily changeable to any significant degree).

I like the bookies optimism though!

UTA!!
Yeah, but I don't want another stepping stone manager, I want someone who will be with the club beyond one season !
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: Sherwood would do it for me. Although the question mark would be over whether he would go straight into another Premier League vacancy rather than "risk" moving to a Championship club. If he is prepared to make such a move, I would think Albion would be an extremely attractive proposition for him and we could have a matching with massive potential. Other issues such as budget and acceptable management structure would also need to work in his eyes, or be amended where possible (although our budget may not be readily changeable to any significant degree). I like the bookies optimism though! UTA!![/p][/quote]Yeah, but I don't want another stepping stone manager, I want someone who will be with the club beyond one season ! Alfie T
  • Score: 9

7:15am Tue 13 May 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Alfie T wrote:
Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Sherwood would do it for me. Although the question mark would be over whether he would go straight into another Premier League vacancy rather than "risk" moving to a Championship club. If he is prepared to make such a move, I would think Albion would be an extremely attractive proposition for him and we could have a matching with massive potential. Other issues such as budget and acceptable management structure would also need to work in his eyes, or be amended where possible (although our budget may not be readily changeable to any significant degree).

I like the bookies optimism though!

UTA!!
Yeah, but I don't want another stepping stone manager, I want someone who will be with the club beyond one season !
Agreed, we need a long term solution. I don't see why you think Sherwood would see us as a "stepping stone" though. If he is successful he will lead us to the PL. If not he will ultimately leave without achieving. I would expect that, if promotion were achieved, whoever is appointed will want to stay and see just how far he can take us.

UTA!!
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: Sherwood would do it for me. Although the question mark would be over whether he would go straight into another Premier League vacancy rather than "risk" moving to a Championship club. If he is prepared to make such a move, I would think Albion would be an extremely attractive proposition for him and we could have a matching with massive potential. Other issues such as budget and acceptable management structure would also need to work in his eyes, or be amended where possible (although our budget may not be readily changeable to any significant degree). I like the bookies optimism though! UTA!![/p][/quote]Yeah, but I don't want another stepping stone manager, I want someone who will be with the club beyond one season ![/p][/quote]Agreed, we need a long term solution. I don't see why you think Sherwood would see us as a "stepping stone" though. If he is successful he will lead us to the PL. If not he will ultimately leave without achieving. I would expect that, if promotion were achieved, whoever is appointed will want to stay and see just how far he can take us. UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 7

7:43am Tue 13 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

All I would like is a person who has similar football style philosophy with attacking style and who clearly states 'I will not work under a Director of Football' - Just as Brendan Rodgers told John Henry and thankfully for Liverpool fans, John Henry, being an experienced sports club person and great judge of people, listened and agreed with his conditions.

The result has been clear for all to see - with a fraction of the funds Man City have he has produced a brand of scintillating football and achieved more than any Liverpool supporter would have dreamed of achieving in his first full year.

Let's hope that the penny eventually drops.
All I would like is a person who has similar football style philosophy with attacking style and who clearly states 'I will not work under a Director of Football' - Just as Brendan Rodgers told John Henry and thankfully for Liverpool fans, John Henry, being an experienced sports club person and great judge of people, listened and agreed with his conditions. The result has been clear for all to see - with a fraction of the funds Man City have he has produced a brand of scintillating football and achieved more than any Liverpool supporter would have dreamed of achieving in his first full year. Let's hope that the penny eventually drops. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 20

7:44am Tue 13 May 14

JeffLomer says...

Who ever we appoint to be our next manager/coach we need stability at the club from the board down, you don't sign a three year deal then leave after one successful season something obviously not right upstairs, as usual us fans will probably not find out why Oscar has gone after one season, the way I see it if it's Sherwood or anyone else we might as well give them a one year rolling contract, if Sherwood does come hope he brings Chris Ramsey with him, make no mistake the club is in a bit off a mess upstairs!!

Up the Albion!!!!
Who ever we appoint to be our next manager/coach we need stability at the club from the board down, you don't sign a three year deal then leave after one successful season something obviously not right upstairs, as usual us fans will probably not find out why Oscar has gone after one season, the way I see it if it's Sherwood or anyone else we might as well give them a one year rolling contract, if Sherwood does come hope he brings Chris Ramsey with him, make no mistake the club is in a bit off a mess upstairs!! Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 12

7:49am Tue 13 May 14

bbb1969 says...

Maybe the Argus should run a job vacancy ad.

Head Coach required to lead a small team of players.
Responsibilities include taking training sessions, ensuring compliance of ffp (not to be confused with ffs), dealing with impprtant issues such as picking a team to play a game of football home and away and the goal will be to survive in the championship.
Qualifications... Have a great sense of humour especially when you see the budget for the season, release and do not replace players, need a plan b for those games we are not winning, be able to turn over bottom of the league clubs, able to work with consistent injury list and accept that Nathan Jones may have some talented players at other clubs that he will bring in.
Addition exerience in accepting players on loan and the signing of players is not in the remit of yhe role as this is done by the suits of the Amex who have no football experience, is a requirement.
Ability to play one up front is a must cos there will only be one striker left.
Benefits include a massive fan base, free seagull pies and a new training facily where we will farm home grown talent and sell on for a profit. Additional benefits are the advice that is given free on the Argus Albion site by many footballing experts.
Goals for the season (no pun intended)include scoring more goals than the opposition, getting men into the box, hiding the speed enhancing drugs given to the older players and to reach the playoffs and lose in the semi final 2nd leg. Must sign a long term contract with a view to quitting after one season. Again... Must have a sense of humour or be totally insane.
Maybe the Argus should run a job vacancy ad. Head Coach required to lead a small team of players. Responsibilities include taking training sessions, ensuring compliance of ffp (not to be confused with ffs), dealing with impprtant issues such as picking a team to play a game of football home and away and the goal will be to survive in the championship. Qualifications... Have a great sense of humour especially when you see the budget for the season, release and do not replace players, need a plan b for those games we are not winning, be able to turn over bottom of the league clubs, able to work with consistent injury list and accept that Nathan Jones may have some talented players at other clubs that he will bring in. Addition exerience in accepting players on loan and the signing of players is not in the remit of yhe role as this is done by the suits of the Amex who have no football experience, is a requirement. Ability to play one up front is a must cos there will only be one striker left. Benefits include a massive fan base, free seagull pies and a new training facily where we will farm home grown talent and sell on for a profit. Additional benefits are the advice that is given free on the Argus Albion site by many footballing experts. Goals for the season (no pun intended)include scoring more goals than the opposition, getting men into the box, hiding the speed enhancing drugs given to the older players and to reach the playoffs and lose in the semi final 2nd leg. Must sign a long term contract with a view to quitting after one season. Again... Must have a sense of humour or be totally insane. bbb1969
  • Score: 41

7:57am Tue 13 May 14

JollyRoger says...

Not for me he isn't; not in a million years.
Not for me he isn't; not in a million years. JollyRoger
  • Score: -1

8:01am Tue 13 May 14

elljam says...

It was a straight choice between Oscar & Sherwood last season & I was disappointed they chose the Spaniard (especially as I had a tenner on Sherwood).
Hopefully the board realise you need someone who understands the English game, so if they go foreign again he must have previous experience over here.
There is no doubt on paper, Oscar has done a fair job in getting us to the play-offs with the injuries & dodgy signings forced upon him. However my feeling was that even if he managed to sign players of his choice & was more fortunate with injuries we would have still come up short simply because the team wouldn't have been fit enough & after watching the play-off matches this has been confirmed.
Derby were relentless for 90 minutes with & without the ball, showing that attractive passing football can still be played even at a high tempo, while last night's QPR/Wigan match was played at a neckbreaking speed even in extra-time. We only seemed capable of this sort of tempo for 20 minutes at the most before falling back into our slow methodical way & the 2nd leg against Derby was like watching Dad's Army.
Oscar himself said he would not change his principles, which to me are only suitable using top drawer players who can keep the ball regardless of the pressure put on them. It was not suitable for Championship football.
I would definitely welcome Sherwood's appointment because there is no doubt he would favour high tempo attacking football & think after watching a few weeks of this a lot of supporters would soon realise things could have been a lot better under Oscar. It would also be refreshing to hear a manager give his true feelings when interviewed rather than listen to the usual rubbish spouted.
However I've a feeling we may have missed the boat with Sherwood whose stock has risen this season & bigger clubs than ours may be interested in him, plus the fact we obviously still have a tight budget means the job may not be as attractive as once thought.
It was a straight choice between Oscar & Sherwood last season & I was disappointed they chose the Spaniard (especially as I had a tenner on Sherwood). Hopefully the board realise you need someone who understands the English game, so if they go foreign again he must have previous experience over here. There is no doubt on paper, Oscar has done a fair job in getting us to the play-offs with the injuries & dodgy signings forced upon him. However my feeling was that even if he managed to sign players of his choice & was more fortunate with injuries we would have still come up short simply because the team wouldn't have been fit enough & after watching the play-off matches this has been confirmed. Derby were relentless for 90 minutes with & without the ball, showing that attractive passing football can still be played even at a high tempo, while last night's QPR/Wigan match was played at a neckbreaking speed even in extra-time. We only seemed capable of this sort of tempo for 20 minutes at the most before falling back into our slow methodical way & the 2nd leg against Derby was like watching Dad's Army. Oscar himself said he would not change his principles, which to me are only suitable using top drawer players who can keep the ball regardless of the pressure put on them. It was not suitable for Championship football. I would definitely welcome Sherwood's appointment because there is no doubt he would favour high tempo attacking football & think after watching a few weeks of this a lot of supporters would soon realise things could have been a lot better under Oscar. It would also be refreshing to hear a manager give his true feelings when interviewed rather than listen to the usual rubbish spouted. However I've a feeling we may have missed the boat with Sherwood whose stock has risen this season & bigger clubs than ours may be interested in him, plus the fact we obviously still have a tight budget means the job may not be as attractive as once thought. elljam
  • Score: 12

8:02am Tue 13 May 14

mark by the sea says...

bbb1969 wrote:
Maybe the Argus should run a job vacancy ad.

Head Coach required to lead a small team of players.
Responsibilities include taking training sessions, ensuring compliance of ffp (not to be confused with ffs), dealing with impprtant issues such as picking a team to play a game of football home and away and the goal will be to survive in the championship.
Qualifications... Have a great sense of humour especially when you see the budget for the season, release and do not replace players, need a plan b for those games we are not winning, be able to turn over bottom of the league clubs, able to work with consistent injury list and accept that Nathan Jones may have some talented players at other clubs that he will bring in.
Addition exerience in accepting players on loan and the signing of players is not in the remit of yhe role as this is done by the suits of the Amex who have no football experience, is a requirement.
Ability to play one up front is a must cos there will only be one striker left.
Benefits include a massive fan base, free seagull pies and a new training facily where we will farm home grown talent and sell on for a profit. Additional benefits are the advice that is given free on the Argus Albion site by many footballing experts.
Goals for the season (no pun intended)include scoring more goals than the opposition, getting men into the box, hiding the speed enhancing drugs given to the older players and to reach the playoffs and lose in the semi final 2nd leg. Must sign a long term contract with a view to quitting after one season. Again... Must have a sense of humour or be totally insane.
Good post, I heard the local BBC commentator say perhaps a internal appointment might come , then he mentioned jones .. So your post is funny jonny Cantor absolutely hilarious !,
[quote][p][bold]bbb1969[/bold] wrote: Maybe the Argus should run a job vacancy ad. Head Coach required to lead a small team of players. Responsibilities include taking training sessions, ensuring compliance of ffp (not to be confused with ffs), dealing with impprtant issues such as picking a team to play a game of football home and away and the goal will be to survive in the championship. Qualifications... Have a great sense of humour especially when you see the budget for the season, release and do not replace players, need a plan b for those games we are not winning, be able to turn over bottom of the league clubs, able to work with consistent injury list and accept that Nathan Jones may have some talented players at other clubs that he will bring in. Addition exerience in accepting players on loan and the signing of players is not in the remit of yhe role as this is done by the suits of the Amex who have no football experience, is a requirement. Ability to play one up front is a must cos there will only be one striker left. Benefits include a massive fan base, free seagull pies and a new training facily where we will farm home grown talent and sell on for a profit. Additional benefits are the advice that is given free on the Argus Albion site by many footballing experts. Goals for the season (no pun intended)include scoring more goals than the opposition, getting men into the box, hiding the speed enhancing drugs given to the older players and to reach the playoffs and lose in the semi final 2nd leg. Must sign a long term contract with a view to quitting after one season. Again... Must have a sense of humour or be totally insane.[/p][/quote]Good post, I heard the local BBC commentator say perhaps a internal appointment might come , then he mentioned jones .. So your post is funny jonny Cantor absolutely hilarious !, mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

8:11am Tue 13 May 14

Steveg1958 says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Who ever we appoint to be our next manager/coach we need stability at the club from the board down, you don't sign a three year deal then leave after one successful season something obviously not right upstairs, as usual us fans will probably not find out why Oscar has gone after one season, the way I see it if it's Sherwood or anyone else we might as well give them a one year rolling contract, if Sherwood does come hope he brings Chris Ramsey with him, make no mistake the club is in a bit off a mess upstairs!!

Up the Albion!!!!
Yep Sherwood and Ramsey for me. goodbye backwards and sideways football under a Manager who has a plan B, and a coach who is rated as one f the best ones in the game, and an ex Albion player of the golden era too.
But please lets review the scouting network and chief scout and DOF role, (that should save us some money
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Who ever we appoint to be our next manager/coach we need stability at the club from the board down, you don't sign a three year deal then leave after one successful season something obviously not right upstairs, as usual us fans will probably not find out why Oscar has gone after one season, the way I see it if it's Sherwood or anyone else we might as well give them a one year rolling contract, if Sherwood does come hope he brings Chris Ramsey with him, make no mistake the club is in a bit off a mess upstairs!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]Yep Sherwood and Ramsey for me. goodbye backwards and sideways football under a Manager who has a plan B, and a coach who is rated as one f the best ones in the game, and an ex Albion player of the golden era too. But please lets review the scouting network and chief scout and DOF role, (that should save us some money Steveg1958
  • Score: 2

8:19am Tue 13 May 14

Asleep in Dorset says...

manager out of work : Chris Powell
manager in work : Eddie Howe
either way get rid of Nathan Jones !!
manager out of work : Chris Powell manager in work : Eddie Howe either way get rid of Nathan Jones !! Asleep in Dorset
  • Score: 8

8:24am Tue 13 May 14

Midlandseagull says...

How about Steve Clarke? Excellent coach, did a great job at West Brom and then unfairly treated, and he's available...
How about Steve Clarke? Excellent coach, did a great job at West Brom and then unfairly treated, and he's available... Midlandseagull
  • Score: 11

8:30am Tue 13 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Midlandseagull wrote:
How about Steve Clarke? Excellent coach, did a great job at West Brom and then unfairly treated, and he's available...
He may be a good coach - and his record does suggest that - but his main problem is he makes OG look like the Laughing Cavalier....
[quote][p][bold]Midlandseagull[/bold] wrote: How about Steve Clarke? Excellent coach, did a great job at West Brom and then unfairly treated, and he's available...[/p][/quote]He may be a good coach - and his record does suggest that - but his main problem is he makes OG look like the Laughing Cavalier.... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 15

8:35am Tue 13 May 14

MrHove says...

Sherwood is going to end up at West Brom according to sky sources this morning, lots of good managers available at the moment...im going to throw giggs's name in there.
Sherwood is going to end up at West Brom according to sky sources this morning, lots of good managers available at the moment...im going to throw giggs's name in there. MrHove
  • Score: -7

8:41am Tue 13 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

It's certainly good fun chucking names around of those we'd love to be next in line, but in reality it'll be a case of who will come.
The experiences of the last two will surely put off some and the availability of more attractive options will take others out of our compass.
Malky Mackay, for example, (IMO) is far more likely to go to Norwich given his previous association and the fact they have the dreaded parachute payments at their disposal.
Tim Sherwood (IMO) will think he's a PL manager and may have a punt at WBA...
So here's a left field thought. Tony Pulis is due for talks with Steve Parrish and can't possibly improve on what he did this year, so his stock is bound to diminish if he stays. Far better to look at an option that offers the chance of realistic progress so the Pulis story can rumble on. Trouble with that scenario is ' cue WBA'... I don't reckon this one will be easy...
It's certainly good fun chucking names around of those we'd love to be next in line, but in reality it'll be a case of who will come. The experiences of the last two will surely put off some and the availability of more attractive options will take others out of our compass. Malky Mackay, for example, (IMO) is far more likely to go to Norwich given his previous association and the fact they have the dreaded parachute payments at their disposal. Tim Sherwood (IMO) will think he's a PL manager and may have a punt at WBA... So here's a left field thought. Tony Pulis is due for talks with Steve Parrish and can't possibly improve on what he did this year, so his stock is bound to diminish if he stays. Far better to look at an option that offers the chance of realistic progress so the Pulis story can rumble on. Trouble with that scenario is ' cue WBA'... I don't reckon this one will be easy... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -3

8:44am Tue 13 May 14

russellsnr2 says...

At the end of the day you could put Santa Clause in charge but unless you give him the funds for presents and the freedom to decide what presents he wants to get he will not get us to the top of the tree.
Someone at the club needs a bloody good shake to wake them up.
You cannot run any business without capital investment in the machinery needed to make that business run no matter how good you maybe at juggling the figures.
Don't get me wrong we have had as I stated before two really good seasons
but I for one don't want another good season I want a fantastic season a season where Brighton and Hove FC are top of the tree when it ends and the only way we can get there is to spend some good money on new players not players that come with a proviso that they must start every game and if not go home to there parent club but players that are good enough to sign on the dotted line for two or three years, players that want to play for the club and not just come because they are guaranteed a game every week to ensure any bonuses they get for actually playing.
We could write on here until the sun goes down but at the end of the day it will Mr Bloom who has the final say and as people have already said he didn't do bad with the last two!!!
At the end of the day you could put Santa Clause in charge but unless you give him the funds for presents and the freedom to decide what presents he wants to get he will not get us to the top of the tree. Someone at the club needs a bloody good shake to wake them up. You cannot run any business without capital investment in the machinery needed to make that business run no matter how good you maybe at juggling the figures. Don't get me wrong we have had as I stated before two really good seasons but I for one don't want another good season I want a fantastic season a season where Brighton and Hove FC are top of the tree when it ends and the only way we can get there is to spend some good money on new players not players that come with a proviso that they must start every game and if not go home to there parent club but players that are good enough to sign on the dotted line for two or three years, players that want to play for the club and not just come because they are guaranteed a game every week to ensure any bonuses they get for actually playing. We could write on here until the sun goes down but at the end of the day it will Mr Bloom who has the final say and as people have already said he didn't do bad with the last two!!! russellsnr2
  • Score: 8

9:04am Tue 13 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

"“But to get out of the Championship you need somebody who really knows English football."

Blimey, a commentator coming out with a tired, hackneyed old cliché. Who guessed that would happen? Football is football and half the players are from overseas. Being entrenched in the 'English game' is irrelevant.#

Just get the best man for the job. If he's English and has been here years, fine. If he's Italian, fine. If he's from the moon, fine. It's not as if they won't have watched shedloads of English football over the years, so it won't be new to them in any way.

So long as he knows what he's doing.
"“But to get out of the Championship you need somebody who really knows English football." Blimey, a commentator coming out with a tired, hackneyed old cliché. Who guessed that would happen? Football is football and half the players are from overseas. Being entrenched in the 'English game' is irrelevant.# Just get the best man for the job. If he's English and has been here years, fine. If he's Italian, fine. If he's from the moon, fine. It's not as if they won't have watched shedloads of English football over the years, so it won't be new to them in any way. So long as he knows what he's doing. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 11

9:07am Tue 13 May 14

wiseman of hove says...

Tim Sherwood was close to getting the job after Poyet, and that was based on his coaching record, more than his contacts here. Good player, good coach and now a manager baptism at Spurs, where his win ratio was impressive. Sherwood, Chris Ramsey (and have I seen Sir Les Ferdinand on the bench next to him?) I like the sound of that. Tough enough to deal with players should they step out of line. We won't be the only club after him, but as I do not subscribe to the theory that we are the laughing stock of football, he will take this post if offered.
Tim Sherwood was close to getting the job after Poyet, and that was based on his coaching record, more than his contacts here. Good player, good coach and now a manager baptism at Spurs, where his win ratio was impressive. Sherwood, Chris Ramsey (and have I seen Sir Les Ferdinand on the bench next to him?) I like the sound of that. Tough enough to deal with players should they step out of line. We won't be the only club after him, but as I do not subscribe to the theory that we are the laughing stock of football, he will take this post if offered. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 7

9:10am Tue 13 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Midlandseagull wrote:
How about Steve Clarke? Excellent coach, did a great job at West Brom and then unfairly treated, and he's available...
He may be a good coach - and his record does suggest that - but his main problem is he makes OG look like the Laughing Cavalier....
But why does that matter? If he's winning games WE will be doing enough laughing for everyone.

Kenny Dalglish won titles as a coach and hasn't smiled since he was three months old.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Midlandseagull[/bold] wrote: How about Steve Clarke? Excellent coach, did a great job at West Brom and then unfairly treated, and he's available...[/p][/quote]He may be a good coach - and his record does suggest that - but his main problem is he makes OG look like the Laughing Cavalier....[/p][/quote]But why does that matter? If he's winning games WE will be doing enough laughing for everyone. Kenny Dalglish won titles as a coach and hasn't smiled since he was three months old. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

9:10am Tue 13 May 14

Max Ripple says...

mark by the sea wrote:
bbb1969 wrote:
Maybe the Argus should run a job vacancy ad.

Head Coach required to lead a small team of players.
Responsibilities include taking training sessions, ensuring compliance of ffp (not to be confused with ffs), dealing with impprtant issues such as picking a team to play a game of football home and away and the goal will be to survive in the championship.
Qualifications... Have a great sense of humour especially when you see the budget for the season, release and do not replace players, need a plan b for those games we are not winning, be able to turn over bottom of the league clubs, able to work with consistent injury list and accept that Nathan Jones may have some talented players at other clubs that he will bring in.
Addition exerience in accepting players on loan and the signing of players is not in the remit of yhe role as this is done by the suits of the Amex who have no football experience, is a requirement.
Ability to play one up front is a must cos there will only be one striker left.
Benefits include a massive fan base, free seagull pies and a new training facily where we will farm home grown talent and sell on for a profit. Additional benefits are the advice that is given free on the Argus Albion site by many footballing experts.
Goals for the season (no pun intended)include scoring more goals than the opposition, getting men into the box, hiding the speed enhancing drugs given to the older players and to reach the playoffs and lose in the semi final 2nd leg. Must sign a long term contract with a view to quitting after one season. Again... Must have a sense of humour or be totally insane.
Good post, I heard the local BBC commentator say perhaps a internal appointment might come , then he mentioned jones .. So your post is funny jonny Cantor absolutely hilarious !,
Talking of BBC radio folks, how do we think Warren Aspinall would pronounce Sherwood?
Sheewood? Shooard? Tom Shwaywood? Tam Shoowop-di-wop?
Poor old Leonardo Ochongo, Leo Ujaya, Ujooma etc.....
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb1969[/bold] wrote: Maybe the Argus should run a job vacancy ad. Head Coach required to lead a small team of players. Responsibilities include taking training sessions, ensuring compliance of ffp (not to be confused with ffs), dealing with impprtant issues such as picking a team to play a game of football home and away and the goal will be to survive in the championship. Qualifications... Have a great sense of humour especially when you see the budget for the season, release and do not replace players, need a plan b for those games we are not winning, be able to turn over bottom of the league clubs, able to work with consistent injury list and accept that Nathan Jones may have some talented players at other clubs that he will bring in. Addition exerience in accepting players on loan and the signing of players is not in the remit of yhe role as this is done by the suits of the Amex who have no football experience, is a requirement. Ability to play one up front is a must cos there will only be one striker left. Benefits include a massive fan base, free seagull pies and a new training facily where we will farm home grown talent and sell on for a profit. Additional benefits are the advice that is given free on the Argus Albion site by many footballing experts. Goals for the season (no pun intended)include scoring more goals than the opposition, getting men into the box, hiding the speed enhancing drugs given to the older players and to reach the playoffs and lose in the semi final 2nd leg. Must sign a long term contract with a view to quitting after one season. Again... Must have a sense of humour or be totally insane.[/p][/quote]Good post, I heard the local BBC commentator say perhaps a internal appointment might come , then he mentioned jones .. So your post is funny jonny Cantor absolutely hilarious !,[/p][/quote]Talking of BBC radio folks, how do we think Warren Aspinall would pronounce Sherwood? Sheewood? Shooard? Tom Shwaywood? Tam Shoowop-di-wop? Poor old Leonardo Ochongo, Leo Ujaya, Ujooma etc..... Max Ripple
  • Score: 21

9:10am Tue 13 May 14

raymondo999 says...

One thing I don't understand was that earlier in the season Oscar said that in Spain a coach just coaches and doesn't have to concern himself with wider management issues, like buying players.. This was the system, he said, he was used to. Now it is assumed that he wants to go because he has not got control of these things. He left Israel because of "personal" reasons, how do we know these are not at play here? Sherwood is clearly in the Alan Mullery mould , it worked once, but not twice for Mullers, would it work again for Sherwood?
One thing I don't understand was that earlier in the season Oscar said that in Spain a coach just coaches and doesn't have to concern himself with wider management issues, like buying players.. This was the system, he said, he was used to. Now it is assumed that he wants to go because he has not got control of these things. He left Israel because of "personal" reasons, how do we know these are not at play here? Sherwood is clearly in the Alan Mullery mould , it worked once, but not twice for Mullers, would it work again for Sherwood? raymondo999
  • Score: 3

9:11am Tue 13 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

MrHove wrote:
Sherwood is going to end up at West Brom according to sky sources this morning, lots of good managers available at the moment...im going to throw giggs's name in there.
You're throwing Giggs's name in there despite lots of good managers being available? Why go for an untested fella at this stage? Has he even got his coaching badges yet?
[quote][p][bold]MrHove[/bold] wrote: Sherwood is going to end up at West Brom according to sky sources this morning, lots of good managers available at the moment...im going to throw giggs's name in there.[/p][/quote]You're throwing Giggs's name in there despite lots of good managers being available? Why go for an untested fella at this stage? Has he even got his coaching badges yet? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

9:26am Tue 13 May 14

Nivag1 says...

Increasingly, BHAFC is like one of those episodes of Grand Designs where they build an amazing house, but then run out of money and can't afford to put any furniture in it...
Increasingly, BHAFC is like one of those episodes of Grand Designs where they build an amazing house, but then run out of money and can't afford to put any furniture in it... Nivag1
  • Score: 11

9:30am Tue 13 May 14

jose12 says...

what about zola yes get rid of jones and burk and co
what about zola yes get rid of jones and burk and co jose12
  • Score: 2

9:36am Tue 13 May 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Midlandseagull wrote:
How about Steve Clarke? Excellent coach, did a great job at West Brom and then unfairly treated, and he's available...
He may be a good coach - and his record does suggest that - but his main problem is he makes OG look like the Laughing Cavalier....
But why does that matter? If he's winning games WE will be doing enough laughing for everyone.

Kenny Dalglish won titles as a coach and hasn't smiled since he was three months old.
Hi Arnie. I think you'll find that was just wind.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Midlandseagull[/bold] wrote: How about Steve Clarke? Excellent coach, did a great job at West Brom and then unfairly treated, and he's available...[/p][/quote]He may be a good coach - and his record does suggest that - but his main problem is he makes OG look like the Laughing Cavalier....[/p][/quote]But why does that matter? If he's winning games WE will be doing enough laughing for everyone. Kenny Dalglish won titles as a coach and hasn't smiled since he was three months old.[/p][/quote]Hi Arnie. I think you'll find that was just wind. Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 5

9:40am Tue 13 May 14

albionfan33 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
MrHove wrote:
Sherwood is going to end up at West Brom according to sky sources this morning, lots of good managers available at the moment...im going to throw giggs's name in there.
You're throwing Giggs's name in there despite lots of good managers being available? Why go for an untested fella at this stage? Has he even got his coaching badges yet?
i doubt giggs would move out of cheshire i wouldnt want him anyway
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrHove[/bold] wrote: Sherwood is going to end up at West Brom according to sky sources this morning, lots of good managers available at the moment...im going to throw giggs's name in there.[/p][/quote]You're throwing Giggs's name in there despite lots of good managers being available? Why go for an untested fella at this stage? Has he even got his coaching badges yet?[/p][/quote]i doubt giggs would move out of cheshire i wouldnt want him anyway albionfan33
  • Score: 4

9:43am Tue 13 May 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Midlandseagull wrote:
How about Steve Clarke? Excellent coach, did a great job at West Brom and then unfairly treated, and he's available...
He may be a good coach - and his record does suggest that - but his main problem is he makes OG look like the Laughing Cavalier....
I get your drift, but Sir Alf Ramsey wasn't exactly the life and soul of the party and look what he achieved. The only man to win the World Cup for England.
I hope you get my drift. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Midlandseagull[/bold] wrote: How about Steve Clarke? Excellent coach, did a great job at West Brom and then unfairly treated, and he's available...[/p][/quote]He may be a good coach - and his record does suggest that - but his main problem is he makes OG look like the Laughing Cavalier....[/p][/quote]I get your drift, but Sir Alf Ramsey wasn't exactly the life and soul of the party and look what he achieved. The only man to win the World Cup for England. I hope you get my drift. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 4

10:18am Tue 13 May 14

Neville says...

Really good article in today's Argus about the reasons OG left,it states that players were brought in that he had no say in,which disputes the clubs stance,I tend to believe OG.Also had Spanish players lined up and none materialised.As most of us have sussed the problem lies squarely on the DoF.
Time for action.
Really good article in today's Argus about the reasons OG left,it states that players were brought in that he had no say in,which disputes the clubs stance,I tend to believe OG.Also had Spanish players lined up and none materialised.As most of us have sussed the problem lies squarely on the DoF. Time for action. Neville
  • Score: 6

10:21am Tue 13 May 14

mikeygit says...

Nivag---I like your analogy!! Problem at the Club at present is that they are hell bent on keeping to FFP rules---which I go along with to a degree, so however good a manager the next man is he has one leg tied to the table--in effect. The FFP rules are going to be a BIG test as so many clubs have, seemingly, abused the rules wholesale, so what will the FA do?? Will it turn out that by abiding by the rules BHA and other clubs like us, be the loser, as The Abusers will only get a slapped wrist?? Not only have BHA got to make some reasonably quick decisions but so have the FA---all this uncertainty is doing us and football no favours.
Nivag---I like your analogy!! Problem at the Club at present is that they are hell bent on keeping to FFP rules---which I go along with to a degree, so however good a manager the next man is he has one leg tied to the table--in effect. The FFP rules are going to be a BIG test as so many clubs have, seemingly, abused the rules wholesale, so what will the FA do?? Will it turn out that by abiding by the rules BHA and other clubs like us, be the loser, as The Abusers will only get a slapped wrist?? Not only have BHA got to make some reasonably quick decisions but so have the FA---all this uncertainty is doing us and football no favours. mikeygit
  • Score: 5

10:24am Tue 13 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Midlandseagull wrote:
How about Steve Clarke? Excellent coach, did a great job at West Brom and then unfairly treated, and he's available...
He may be a good coach - and his record does suggest that - but his main problem is he makes OG look like the Laughing Cavalier....
I get your drift, but Sir Alf Ramsey wasn't exactly the life and soul of the party and look what he achieved. The only man to win the World Cup for England.
I hope you get my drift. UTA
Yep, I do!
The only thing I would say to further my stance 'against' is that Sir Alf was 50-odd years ago, but in opposition to my own view on Clarke, I have WBA fans up here who rue the day they got rid of him - and that's got nothing to do with his successor and everything to do with his own work while he was there.
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Midlandseagull[/bold] wrote: How about Steve Clarke? Excellent coach, did a great job at West Brom and then unfairly treated, and he's available...[/p][/quote]He may be a good coach - and his record does suggest that - but his main problem is he makes OG look like the Laughing Cavalier....[/p][/quote]I get your drift, but Sir Alf Ramsey wasn't exactly the life and soul of the party and look what he achieved. The only man to win the World Cup for England. I hope you get my drift. UTA[/p][/quote]Yep, I do! The only thing I would say to further my stance 'against' is that Sir Alf was 50-odd years ago, but in opposition to my own view on Clarke, I have WBA fans up here who rue the day they got rid of him - and that's got nothing to do with his successor and everything to do with his own work while he was there. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

10:24am Tue 13 May 14

Piglet1 says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Who ever we appoint to be our next manager/coach we need stability at the club from the board down, you don't sign a three year deal then leave after one successful season something obviously not right upstairs, as usual us fans will probably not find out why Oscar has gone after one season, the way I see it if it's Sherwood or anyone else we might as well give them a one year rolling contract, if Sherwood does come hope he brings Chris Ramsey with him, make no mistake the club is in a bit off a mess upstairs!!

Up the Albion!!!!
It could be very simple..... his wife and family did not settle in the UK and wanted to go back to Spain. It is not at all obvious that something is not right upstairs, this has been repeated by so many that it becomes a truth.
Fact is most of us do not know that so I think it best if we stick to fact rather than making sweeping statements that may have no truth whatsoever.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Who ever we appoint to be our next manager/coach we need stability at the club from the board down, you don't sign a three year deal then leave after one successful season something obviously not right upstairs, as usual us fans will probably not find out why Oscar has gone after one season, the way I see it if it's Sherwood or anyone else we might as well give them a one year rolling contract, if Sherwood does come hope he brings Chris Ramsey with him, make no mistake the club is in a bit off a mess upstairs!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]It could be very simple..... his wife and family did not settle in the UK and wanted to go back to Spain. It is not at all obvious that something is not right upstairs, this has been repeated by so many that it becomes a truth. Fact is most of us do not know that so I think it best if we stick to fact rather than making sweeping statements that may have no truth whatsoever. Piglet1
  • Score: 5

10:32am Tue 13 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Midlandseagull wrote:
How about Steve Clarke? Excellent coach, did a great job at West Brom and then unfairly treated, and he's available...
He may be a good coach - and his record does suggest that - but his main problem is he makes OG look like the Laughing Cavalier....
But why does that matter? If he's winning games WE will be doing enough laughing for everyone.

Kenny Dalglish won titles as a coach and hasn't smiled since he was three months old.
I agree that it shouldn't matter, but in the modern world it appears to matter very much.
In the past there have been managers who have sat motionless in the dug out and have been abused for 'lack of passion'. It's an easy cop out when things go wrong; think back to some rough patches with OG. The fact he wasn't exactly Billy Connolly was apparently a hanging offence.
All I'm saying is, it is a consideration in this day and age because fan pressure is a massive issue. If the bloke can coach/manage, who cares? Problem is, some do. They ultimately put pressure on boards and owners and it becomes an accident waiting to happen..irrespective of ability.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Midlandseagull[/bold] wrote: How about Steve Clarke? Excellent coach, did a great job at West Brom and then unfairly treated, and he's available...[/p][/quote]He may be a good coach - and his record does suggest that - but his main problem is he makes OG look like the Laughing Cavalier....[/p][/quote]But why does that matter? If he's winning games WE will be doing enough laughing for everyone. Kenny Dalglish won titles as a coach and hasn't smiled since he was three months old.[/p][/quote]I agree that it shouldn't matter, but in the modern world it appears to matter very much. In the past there have been managers who have sat motionless in the dug out and have been abused for 'lack of passion'. It's an easy cop out when things go wrong; think back to some rough patches with OG. The fact he wasn't exactly Billy Connolly was apparently a hanging offence. All I'm saying is, it is a consideration in this day and age because fan pressure is a massive issue. If the bloke can coach/manage, who cares? Problem is, some do. They ultimately put pressure on boards and owners and it becomes an accident waiting to happen..irrespective of ability. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

10:33am Tue 13 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Piglet1 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Who ever we appoint to be our next manager/coach we need stability at the club from the board down, you don't sign a three year deal then leave after one successful season something obviously not right upstairs, as usual us fans will probably not find out why Oscar has gone after one season, the way I see it if it's Sherwood or anyone else we might as well give them a one year rolling contract, if Sherwood does come hope he brings Chris Ramsey with him, make no mistake the club is in a bit off a mess upstairs!!

Up the Albion!!!!
It could be very simple..... his wife and family did not settle in the UK and wanted to go back to Spain. It is not at all obvious that something is not right upstairs, this has been repeated by so many that it becomes a truth.
Fact is most of us do not know that so I think it best if we stick to fact rather than making sweeping statements that may have no truth whatsoever.
Good points
[quote][p][bold]Piglet1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Who ever we appoint to be our next manager/coach we need stability at the club from the board down, you don't sign a three year deal then leave after one successful season something obviously not right upstairs, as usual us fans will probably not find out why Oscar has gone after one season, the way I see it if it's Sherwood or anyone else we might as well give them a one year rolling contract, if Sherwood does come hope he brings Chris Ramsey with him, make no mistake the club is in a bit off a mess upstairs!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]It could be very simple..... his wife and family did not settle in the UK and wanted to go back to Spain. It is not at all obvious that something is not right upstairs, this has been repeated by so many that it becomes a truth. Fact is most of us do not know that so I think it best if we stick to fact rather than making sweeping statements that may have no truth whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Good points Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

10:37am Tue 13 May 14

Neville says...

Piglet
Try and read Andy Naylor column in today's Argus,seeds of discontent started in Oct,DS player brought in by DoF,OG not involved which contradicts clubs stance,no Spanish targets signed,Ulloa ,Crofts,Barnes,ElAbd no immediate replacements made,Grabban was OG target but negotiations stalled on wages again DoF. OG felt board not transparent with finances,all makes sense now and hints of GP,who had same problem when trying to sign Dutch player,which if signed could have got us promotion,he is now reputed to be worth 12m. So sad and cannot see things changing in this obsessive FFP climate. Certainly heads should roll and let's go back to a Manager not head coach nonsense.
Piglet Try and read Andy Naylor column in today's Argus,seeds of discontent started in Oct,DS player brought in by DoF,OG not involved which contradicts clubs stance,no Spanish targets signed,Ulloa ,Crofts,Barnes,ElAbd no immediate replacements made,Grabban was OG target but negotiations stalled on wages again DoF. OG felt board not transparent with finances,all makes sense now and hints of GP,who had same problem when trying to sign Dutch player,which if signed could have got us promotion,he is now reputed to be worth 12m. So sad and cannot see things changing in this obsessive FFP climate. Certainly heads should roll and let's go back to a Manager not head coach nonsense. Neville
  • Score: 6

10:38am Tue 13 May 14

DGee says...

Can't see a decent manager wanting to come here without a substantial player fund. Tony Bloom has done a brilliant job in getting the infrastructure in place and I'm sure in time we will see players coming through the academy that will do a job for us. We either need big big money a la Leicesters billionaire owner or we bide our time and wait for these players to come through from the academy.
Can't see a decent manager wanting to come here without a substantial player fund. Tony Bloom has done a brilliant job in getting the infrastructure in place and I'm sure in time we will see players coming through the academy that will do a job for us. We either need big big money a la Leicesters billionaire owner or we bide our time and wait for these players to come through from the academy. DGee
  • Score: 2

10:42am Tue 13 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Midlandseagull wrote:
How about Steve Clarke? Excellent coach, did a great job at West Brom and then unfairly treated, and he's available...
He may be a good coach - and his record does suggest that - but his main problem is he makes OG look like the Laughing Cavalier....
But why does that matter? If he's winning games WE will be doing enough laughing for everyone.

Kenny Dalglish won titles as a coach and hasn't smiled since he was three months old.
I agree that it shouldn't matter, but in the modern world it appears to matter very much.
In the past there have been managers who have sat motionless in the dug out and have been abused for 'lack of passion'. It's an easy cop out when things go wrong; think back to some rough patches with OG. The fact he wasn't exactly Billy Connolly was apparently a hanging offence.
All I'm saying is, it is a consideration in this day and age because fan pressure is a massive issue. If the bloke can coach/manage, who cares? Problem is, some do. They ultimately put pressure on boards and owners and it becomes an accident waiting to happen..irrespective of ability.
(This isn't a rant against you, just some thoughts...)

If a manager/coach can be sacked just because the fans don't think he is ebullient enough then the game is in bigger sh!t than I thought.

Fans should perhaps consider what REALLY matters with regards to a coach. So long as the incumbent has integrity then the only other quality that matters is ability. I couldn't give two tosses whether the next man in charge is quiet and thoughtful like OG, or a raving f***ing arm-waving loony like Di Canio, so long as he is good as his job. If he can get the team winning and playing a decent brand of football then how much he talks couldn't possibly be of less importance to me.

Too much of today's judgement is on appearances. Ability is all.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Midlandseagull[/bold] wrote: How about Steve Clarke? Excellent coach, did a great job at West Brom and then unfairly treated, and he's available...[/p][/quote]He may be a good coach - and his record does suggest that - but his main problem is he makes OG look like the Laughing Cavalier....[/p][/quote]But why does that matter? If he's winning games WE will be doing enough laughing for everyone. Kenny Dalglish won titles as a coach and hasn't smiled since he was three months old.[/p][/quote]I agree that it shouldn't matter, but in the modern world it appears to matter very much. In the past there have been managers who have sat motionless in the dug out and have been abused for 'lack of passion'. It's an easy cop out when things go wrong; think back to some rough patches with OG. The fact he wasn't exactly Billy Connolly was apparently a hanging offence. All I'm saying is, it is a consideration in this day and age because fan pressure is a massive issue. If the bloke can coach/manage, who cares? Problem is, some do. They ultimately put pressure on boards and owners and it becomes an accident waiting to happen..irrespective of ability.[/p][/quote](This isn't a rant against you, just some thoughts...) If a manager/coach can be sacked just because the fans don't think he is ebullient enough then the game is in bigger sh!t than I thought. Fans should perhaps consider what REALLY matters with regards to a coach. So long as the incumbent has integrity then the only other quality that matters is ability. I couldn't give two tosses whether the next man in charge is quiet and thoughtful like OG, or a raving f***ing arm-waving loony like Di Canio, so long as he is good as his job. If he can get the team winning and playing a decent brand of football then how much he talks couldn't possibly be of less importance to me. Too much of today's judgement is on appearances. Ability is all. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

10:43am Tue 13 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

I guess this time next season we'll see just how good (or not) a coach OG was.
I guess this time next season we'll see just how good (or not) a coach OG was. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

10:49am Tue 13 May 14

Neville says...

Sky sports reports Leicester owner planning to spend 180m in order to challenge top five within three years.What happened to FFP?What a farce this is no one seems to know what is going to happen come Dec 2014 when accounts are scrutinised.
Sky sports reports Leicester owner planning to spend 180m in order to challenge top five within three years.What happened to FFP?What a farce this is no one seems to know what is going to happen come Dec 2014 when accounts are scrutinised. Neville
  • Score: 5

10:57am Tue 13 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Neville wrote:
Sky sports reports Leicester owner planning to spend 180m in order to challenge top five within three years.What happened to FFP?What a farce this is no one seems to know what is going to happen come Dec 2014 when accounts are scrutinised.
How much TV money will they receive in that period of time?
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Sky sports reports Leicester owner planning to spend 180m in order to challenge top five within three years.What happened to FFP?What a farce this is no one seems to know what is going to happen come Dec 2014 when accounts are scrutinised.[/p][/quote]How much TV money will they receive in that period of time? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

10:57am Tue 13 May 14

daveyboy35 says...

Ffp will b a white elephant! The big clubs will challenge it and threaten a breakaway league, and uefa will bottle it
Ffp will b a white elephant! The big clubs will challenge it and threaten a breakaway league, and uefa will bottle it daveyboy35
  • Score: 3

11:01am Tue 13 May 14

Eddy B says...

Where's Di Matteo these days, and Zola - where did he end up? I would have liked Rosler last year. Sherwood would be different and would finally put an end to our Spanish adventure I guess which would be a shame although there has been a distinct lack of Latin flair and marquee signings from Barcelona under OG to be honest. Agree with others - OG's letter says nothing about the reasons, I wonder where his dissatisfaction and disappointment lies and where he'll end up?
Where's Di Matteo these days, and Zola - where did he end up? I would have liked Rosler last year. Sherwood would be different and would finally put an end to our Spanish adventure I guess which would be a shame although there has been a distinct lack of Latin flair and marquee signings from Barcelona under OG to be honest. Agree with others - OG's letter says nothing about the reasons, I wonder where his dissatisfaction and disappointment lies and where he'll end up? Eddy B
  • Score: 4

11:06am Tue 13 May 14

hannover seagull says...

Max Ripple wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
bbb1969 wrote:
Maybe the Argus should run a job vacancy ad.

Head Coach required to lead a small team of players.
Responsibilities include taking training sessions, ensuring compliance of ffp (not to be confused with ffs), dealing with impprtant issues such as picking a team to play a game of football home and away and the goal will be to survive in the championship.
Qualifications... Have a great sense of humour especially when you see the budget for the season, release and do not replace players, need a plan b for those games we are not winning, be able to turn over bottom of the league clubs, able to work with consistent injury list and accept that Nathan Jones may have some talented players at other clubs that he will bring in.
Addition exerience in accepting players on loan and the signing of players is not in the remit of yhe role as this is done by the suits of the Amex who have no football experience, is a requirement.
Ability to play one up front is a must cos there will only be one striker left.
Benefits include a massive fan base, free seagull pies and a new training facily where we will farm home grown talent and sell on for a profit. Additional benefits are the advice that is given free on the Argus Albion site by many footballing experts.
Goals for the season (no pun intended)include scoring more goals than the opposition, getting men into the box, hiding the speed enhancing drugs given to the older players and to reach the playoffs and lose in the semi final 2nd leg. Must sign a long term contract with a view to quitting after one season. Again... Must have a sense of humour or be totally insane.
Good post, I heard the local BBC commentator say perhaps a internal appointment might come , then he mentioned jones .. So your post is funny jonny Cantor absolutely hilarious !,
Talking of BBC radio folks, how do we think Warren Aspinall would pronounce Sherwood?
Sheewood? Shooard? Tom Shwaywood? Tam Shoowop-di-wop?
Poor old Leonardo Ochongo, Leo Ujaya, Ujooma etc.....
Warren Aspinall is legend.makes you laugh even when you are losing 3-0
Edible App was for me the best one
Anymore anyone?
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb1969[/bold] wrote: Maybe the Argus should run a job vacancy ad. Head Coach required to lead a small team of players. Responsibilities include taking training sessions, ensuring compliance of ffp (not to be confused with ffs), dealing with impprtant issues such as picking a team to play a game of football home and away and the goal will be to survive in the championship. Qualifications... Have a great sense of humour especially when you see the budget for the season, release and do not replace players, need a plan b for those games we are not winning, be able to turn over bottom of the league clubs, able to work with consistent injury list and accept that Nathan Jones may have some talented players at other clubs that he will bring in. Addition exerience in accepting players on loan and the signing of players is not in the remit of yhe role as this is done by the suits of the Amex who have no football experience, is a requirement. Ability to play one up front is a must cos there will only be one striker left. Benefits include a massive fan base, free seagull pies and a new training facily where we will farm home grown talent and sell on for a profit. Additional benefits are the advice that is given free on the Argus Albion site by many footballing experts. Goals for the season (no pun intended)include scoring more goals than the opposition, getting men into the box, hiding the speed enhancing drugs given to the older players and to reach the playoffs and lose in the semi final 2nd leg. Must sign a long term contract with a view to quitting after one season. Again... Must have a sense of humour or be totally insane.[/p][/quote]Good post, I heard the local BBC commentator say perhaps a internal appointment might come , then he mentioned jones .. So your post is funny jonny Cantor absolutely hilarious !,[/p][/quote]Talking of BBC radio folks, how do we think Warren Aspinall would pronounce Sherwood? Sheewood? Shooard? Tom Shwaywood? Tam Shoowop-di-wop? Poor old Leonardo Ochongo, Leo Ujaya, Ujooma etc.....[/p][/quote]Warren Aspinall is legend.makes you laugh even when you are losing 3-0 Edible App was for me the best one Anymore anyone? hannover seagull
  • Score: 2

11:33am Tue 13 May 14

john newman says...

Get Clough from Sheff Utd. He has done wonders there and his dad was pretty good for us!! Peter Taylor, Peter Ward and spider Mellor. Great days.
Get Clough from Sheff Utd. He has done wonders there and his dad was pretty good for us!! Peter Taylor, Peter Ward and spider Mellor. Great days. john newman
  • Score: -1

11:36am Tue 13 May 14

MikeTheMan says...

If you take a step back and take a realistic look at our current squad it becomes very clear that a major overhaul is needed regardless of who becomes our next manager.

Three of our starting eleven are loanees and based on recent history they probably won’t be here next season, several players are out of contract, it is clear that a few players who have done well for us are now past their sell-by date, three of our players are serious sicknotes, a couple of our players are just not good enough, a few players don’t appear to want to be here and incredibly we are still paying three expensive but average Championship goalkeepers.

Presumably the team for our first match of next season will look very different and hopefully it will be better, more positive and capable of making a genuine challenge for automatic promotion. A lot of work needs to be done in a short space of time by the next manager! And obviously he needs to be able to get the players he wants.
If you take a step back and take a realistic look at our current squad it becomes very clear that a major overhaul is needed regardless of who becomes our next manager. Three of our starting eleven are loanees and based on recent history they probably won’t be here next season, several players are out of contract, it is clear that a few players who have done well for us are now past their sell-by date, three of our players are serious sicknotes, a couple of our players are just not good enough, a few players don’t appear to want to be here and incredibly we are still paying three expensive but average Championship goalkeepers. Presumably the team for our first match of next season will look very different and hopefully it will be better, more positive and capable of making a genuine challenge for automatic promotion. A lot of work needs to be done in a short space of time by the next manager! And obviously he needs to be able to get the players he wants. MikeTheMan
  • Score: 5

11:38am Tue 13 May 14

Neville says...

Eddy B read Andy Naylor article in today's Argus,explains it all very well
Eddy B read Andy Naylor article in today's Argus,explains it all very well Neville
  • Score: 1

11:46am Tue 13 May 14

JeffLomer says...

Piglet1 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Who ever we appoint to be our next manager/coach we need stability at the club from the board down, you don't sign a three year deal then leave after one successful season something obviously not right upstairs, as usual us fans will probably not find out why Oscar has gone after one season, the way I see it if it's Sherwood or anyone else we might as well give them a one year rolling contract, if Sherwood does come hope he brings Chris Ramsey with him, make no mistake the club is in a bit off a mess upstairs!!

Up the Albion!!!!
It could be very simple..... his wife and family did not settle in the UK and wanted to go back to Spain. It is not at all obvious that something is not right upstairs, this has been repeated by so many that it becomes a truth.
Fact is most of us do not know that so I think it best if we stick to fact rather than making sweeping statements that may have no truth whatsoever.
Piglet,

Not sure I was making a sweeping statement, it was more if we are in a finacial mess and he asked how much he would be given and they said not much would I be right in saying that might one off the reasons he quit, or like you said might be family reasons, the club could put all the speculation to bed and tell us why he has left, I think we deserve something from someone!

Up the Albion!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Piglet1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Who ever we appoint to be our next manager/coach we need stability at the club from the board down, you don't sign a three year deal then leave after one successful season something obviously not right upstairs, as usual us fans will probably not find out why Oscar has gone after one season, the way I see it if it's Sherwood or anyone else we might as well give them a one year rolling contract, if Sherwood does come hope he brings Chris Ramsey with him, make no mistake the club is in a bit off a mess upstairs!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]It could be very simple..... his wife and family did not settle in the UK and wanted to go back to Spain. It is not at all obvious that something is not right upstairs, this has been repeated by so many that it becomes a truth. Fact is most of us do not know that so I think it best if we stick to fact rather than making sweeping statements that may have no truth whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Piglet, Not sure I was making a sweeping statement, it was more if we are in a finacial mess and he asked how much he would be given and they said not much would I be right in saying that might one off the reasons he quit, or like you said might be family reasons, the club could put all the speculation to bed and tell us why he has left, I think we deserve something from someone! Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 1

11:49am Tue 13 May 14

russellsnr2 says...

Anyone looked at today's Sky Bet?

Tim Sherwood 4/11
Malky MacKay 9/2
Chris Hughton 5/1
Pepe Mel 12/1

and at 33/1 someone called Gus Poyet????
Found that a little amusing!!!
Anyone looked at today's Sky Bet? Tim Sherwood 4/11 Malky MacKay 9/2 Chris Hughton 5/1 Pepe Mel 12/1 and at 33/1 someone called Gus Poyet???? Found that a little amusing!!! russellsnr2
  • Score: 1

11:49am Tue 13 May 14

Andrea Orlandigasm says...

Alfie T wrote:
He's young hot headed and inexperienced, is he really the right choice to get us promoted ? Malky Mac would get my vote.
Sounds like a certain former manager of the Albion
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: He's young hot headed and inexperienced, is he really the right choice to get us promoted ? Malky Mac would get my vote.[/p][/quote]Sounds like a certain former manager of the Albion Andrea Orlandigasm
  • Score: 4

11:59am Tue 13 May 14

wardfan says...

Yesterday I posted that I would like to see Nigel Clough as Brighton & Hove Albion's next Manager.
My reasons for this is it was he who did all the work at Derby, in my opinion. Sheffield United have shot up the League under Nigel.

Lets see the board push his bell.
Yesterday I posted that I would like to see Nigel Clough as Brighton & Hove Albion's next Manager. My reasons for this is it was he who did all the work at Derby, in my opinion. Sheffield United have shot up the League under Nigel. Lets see the board push his bell. wardfan
  • Score: 0

12:01pm Tue 13 May 14

Zamora251 says...

For me, it has to be Malky MacKay, why because he has a proven track record, he's British, he knows the championship very well and he isn't scared to stand up to the suits, c.mon Tony Bloom get your finger out and sort it out. If you love this club as much as you say then you will get that **** David Burke out and give the new manager serious money so we can really make a promotion push for next season.

Mr Bloom, I hope you love this club as much as I do, Brighton till I die!!!
For me, it has to be Malky MacKay, why because he has a proven track record, he's British, he knows the championship very well and he isn't scared to stand up to the suits, c.mon Tony Bloom get your finger out and sort it out. If you love this club as much as you say then you will get that **** David Burke out and give the new manager serious money so we can really make a promotion push for next season. Mr Bloom, I hope you love this club as much as I do, Brighton till I die!!! Zamora251
  • Score: -5

12:03pm Tue 13 May 14

ballantrrae says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
All I would like is a person who has similar football style philosophy with attacking style and who clearly states 'I will not work under a Director of Football' - Just as Brendan Rodgers told John Henry and thankfully for Liverpool fans, John Henry, being an experienced sports club person and great judge of people, listened and agreed with his conditions.

The result has been clear for all to see - with a fraction of the funds Man City have he has produced a brand of scintillating football and achieved more than any Liverpool supporter would have dreamed of achieving in his first full year.

Let's hope that the penny eventually drops.
I agree WisdomSpeaks with your (implied) comment that the DOF/Head of Football situation viz-a-viz the Manager's responsibilities needs to be sorted. The person responsible for selecting and training the team must drive the recruitment strategy within a Budget of course. This is a priority BEFORE any replacement for Oscar is appointed. This might mean that our current HOF has to leave now so that the new Manager simply doesn't inherit old problems (which I suspect there have been - witness both Oscar and Poyet leaving).
Next the club need to decide what are the key criteria or abilities that any applicant for the job should have apart from the obvious ones like coaching badges. Such criteria might include the following.
*Knows the English Leagues
*Will continue our 'passing football philosophy' - with modifications and flexibility.
*Encourages attacking football
*Will give youth a chance
*Will commit to the long-term with BHA
*Will work to a sensible Budget and assuming that FFP is actually imposed
when clubs transgress (which I doubt) will adhere to FFP guidelines.
*Is or will be available to be appointed before the end of May so the club can embark on a proper recruitment drive and restructuring of the squad and can therefore enjoy a meaningful pre-season.
"Will bring a skilled and experienced 'team' of coaches with him.
*Is a respected coach.
*Probably has a successful track record either as a Manager or a Coach but might be a young recently retired (successful) player eg Gary Neville as indeed Alan Mullery was when first appointed.
A number of potential candidates would meet this brief including the much mentioned Mackay, Steve Clarke, Di Matteo and Meulensteen. Whether Sherwood will be available is a moot point although obviously a good candidate. No doubt other names will surface in the next few days.
The key thing is for the club to act decisively and quickly but in doing so, as others have said, ensure that the right person is appointed. What we don't want is to be faced with the same scenario in year's time or worse still at Christmas.
Should the club opt to go down the Gary Neville type route then I would hope they would bring in someone like Hoddle or Brady in the DOF/HOF role in place of DB which is just one of the reasons that a change of personnel in that position is now needed.
I await developments. Interesting times - being a BHA supporter (I saw my first game in 1958) is never boring !
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: All I would like is a person who has similar football style philosophy with attacking style and who clearly states 'I will not work under a Director of Football' - Just as Brendan Rodgers told John Henry and thankfully for Liverpool fans, John Henry, being an experienced sports club person and great judge of people, listened and agreed with his conditions. The result has been clear for all to see - with a fraction of the funds Man City have he has produced a brand of scintillating football and achieved more than any Liverpool supporter would have dreamed of achieving in his first full year. Let's hope that the penny eventually drops.[/p][/quote]I agree WisdomSpeaks with your (implied) comment that the DOF/Head of Football situation viz-a-viz the Manager's responsibilities needs to be sorted. The person responsible for selecting and training the team must drive the recruitment strategy within a Budget of course. This is a priority BEFORE any replacement for Oscar is appointed. This might mean that our current HOF has to leave now so that the new Manager simply doesn't inherit old problems (which I suspect there have been - witness both Oscar and Poyet leaving). Next the club need to decide what are the key criteria or abilities that any applicant for the job should have apart from the obvious ones like coaching badges. Such criteria might include the following. *Knows the English Leagues *Will continue our 'passing football philosophy' - with modifications and flexibility. *Encourages attacking football *Will give youth a chance *Will commit to the long-term with BHA *Will work to a sensible Budget and assuming that FFP is actually imposed when clubs transgress (which I doubt) will adhere to FFP guidelines. *Is or will be available to be appointed before the end of May so the club can embark on a proper recruitment drive and restructuring of the squad and can therefore enjoy a meaningful pre-season. "Will bring a skilled and experienced 'team' of coaches with him. *Is a respected coach. *Probably has a successful track record either as a Manager or a Coach but might be a young recently retired (successful) player eg Gary Neville as indeed Alan Mullery was when first appointed. A number of potential candidates would meet this brief including the much mentioned Mackay, Steve Clarke, Di Matteo and Meulensteen. Whether Sherwood will be available is a moot point although obviously a good candidate. No doubt other names will surface in the next few days. The key thing is for the club to act decisively and quickly but in doing so, as others have said, ensure that the right person is appointed. What we don't want is to be faced with the same scenario in year's time or worse still at Christmas. Should the club opt to go down the Gary Neville type route then I would hope they would bring in someone like Hoddle or Brady in the DOF/HOF role in place of DB which is just one of the reasons that a change of personnel in that position is now needed. I await developments. Interesting times - being a BHA supporter (I saw my first game in 1958) is never boring ! ballantrrae
  • Score: 6

12:04pm Tue 13 May 14

jockithenoo says...

Alfie T wrote:
He's young hot headed and inexperienced, is he really the right choice to get us promoted ? Malky Mac would get my vote.
Under malky Cardiff struggled in premier league
Under Tim spurs are top six
Hot headed I call that passion (pardew is hot headed)
Tim gets my vote
Will it happen ?????????
UTA
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: He's young hot headed and inexperienced, is he really the right choice to get us promoted ? Malky Mac would get my vote.[/p][/quote]Under malky Cardiff struggled in premier league Under Tim spurs are top six Hot headed I call that passion (pardew is hot headed) Tim gets my vote Will it happen ????????? UTA jockithenoo
  • Score: 6

12:04pm Tue 13 May 14

FindonGull says...

Eddie Howe ?
Eddie Howe ? FindonGull
  • Score: 1

12:11pm Tue 13 May 14

woodcroft says...

Neville wrote:
Eddy B read Andy Naylor article in today's Argus,explains it all very well
Agree but Argus scored an own goal on Sunday. The Mail and Sky Sports beat them to the Oscar story. Either poor investigate journo's as I suspect to close to the Club to go first. Non stories to fill space all year and off the pace when the big one comes along
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Eddy B read Andy Naylor article in today's Argus,explains it all very well[/p][/quote]Agree but Argus scored an own goal on Sunday. The Mail and Sky Sports beat them to the Oscar story. Either poor investigate journo's as I suspect to close to the Club to go first. Non stories to fill space all year and off the pace when the big one comes along woodcroft
  • Score: 3

12:22pm Tue 13 May 14

rolivan says...

Tim Sherwood has left Spurs just announced
Tim Sherwood has left Spurs just announced rolivan
  • Score: 6

12:30pm Tue 13 May 14

fairweathersupporter says...

I apologise for this but if you post views here, then this is perhaps of interest and these are interesting times. And it's not just for the sake of any ego issues, mine or anyone elses and probably of more interest; Sherwood look's like a goer by the way.

Well my flabber has well and truly been gasted and not just by events at the Albion. those who post on here regularly will know me for my fence sitting, hopefully reasonable, occasionally well thought (?) out views and a bit of dodgy poetry. Humour optional dependant on your particular disposition. i am an ardent fan and enjoy expressing views from a variety of perspectives and try to avoid self promotion and i told you so.
I ask not for support but an answer what is wrong with the post i put up yesterday? It received thumbs up from friend, foe and fan and plenty of them. There are grammar errors and some of the wording could have been better. But why take it down. Is there an over sensitive reporter or editor out there. Has your moderator decided that thinly veiled references to swearing, blasphemy, threats and other forms of abuse are acceptable but my post is not? And don't even go there with the trolls!!! Has someone taken offence at the first three sentences and thought that i dare to criticise the mighty Argus? It was not a comment on the article or the Argus, you rather over sensitive Argus person. It was saying that no one knows. It was saying don't panic. It was saying don't just blame the Burkes and Barbers. It was saying look at the hand that feeds you Your article was just reporting more or less verbatim a couple of press releases. And those releases did not answer the questions that would be asked. So not your fault. Everyone starts somewhere and whatever your faults (and there are many), why would i take issue without being plain? For the sake of all that's holy to you, is the Argus's ego that sensitive?

Hungry for news and responsible views? Want a balanced and well written article on what's occurring and why? Well there isn't one at the moment. So let's jump to conclusions and run off at the mouth. Let the soothsayers suggest that they were right all along and the pessimists demand retribution. Let the optimists look forward to next season and the rest of us try and break the fence. The WUMS can of course set the tone to varying degrees of success.
One thing that does escape many on here though... The suits and the Barbers and Burke's are Tony's men. So cry for blood all you like, cherry pick the facts to suit your own point of view, But there is no sign of the generals being purged by the leader. And it is those generals who decide policy along with El Dictator. This ain't no democracy, however much you paid for your ticket. The fluffy days are behind us but remember who paid the piper. I gladly dance to his tune given the alternatives which are largely within recent memory, even for the goldfish on here.
It's not as bad as some would have you think. It's a little disappointing and some of that pent up passion needs venting. But Coaches are ten a penny, players come and go. A good owner is very hard to find...
I apologise for this but if you post views here, then this is perhaps of interest and these are interesting times. And it's not just for the sake of any ego issues, mine or anyone elses and probably of more interest; Sherwood look's like a goer by the way. Well my flabber has well and truly been gasted and not just by events at the Albion. those who post on here regularly will know me for my fence sitting, hopefully reasonable, occasionally well thought (?) out views and a bit of dodgy poetry. Humour optional dependant on your particular disposition. i am an ardent fan and enjoy expressing views from a variety of perspectives and try to avoid self promotion and i told you so. I ask not for support but an answer what is wrong with the post i put up yesterday? It received thumbs up from friend, foe and fan and plenty of them. There are grammar errors and some of the wording could have been better. But why take it down. Is there an over sensitive reporter or editor out there. Has your moderator decided that thinly veiled references to swearing, blasphemy, threats and other forms of abuse are acceptable but my post is not? And don't even go there with the trolls!!! Has someone taken offence at the first three sentences and thought that i dare to criticise the mighty Argus? It was not a comment on the article or the Argus, you rather over sensitive Argus person. It was saying that no one knows. It was saying don't panic. It was saying don't just blame the Burkes and Barbers. It was saying look at the hand that feeds you Your article was just reporting more or less verbatim a couple of press releases. And those releases did not answer the questions that would be asked. So not your fault. Everyone starts somewhere and whatever your faults (and there are many), why would i take issue without being plain? For the sake of all that's holy to you, is the Argus's ego that sensitive? Hungry for news and responsible views? Want a balanced and well written article on what's occurring and why? Well there isn't one at the moment. So let's jump to conclusions and run off at the mouth. Let the soothsayers suggest that they were right all along and the pessimists demand retribution. Let the optimists look forward to next season and the rest of us try and break the fence. The WUMS can of course set the tone to varying degrees of success. One thing that does escape many on here though... The suits and the Barbers and Burke's are Tony's men. So cry for blood all you like, cherry pick the facts to suit your own point of view, But there is no sign of the generals being purged by the leader. And it is those generals who decide policy along with El Dictator. This ain't no democracy, however much you paid for your ticket. The fluffy days are behind us but remember who paid the piper. I gladly dance to his tune given the alternatives which are largely within recent memory, even for the goldfish on here. It's not as bad as some would have you think. It's a little disappointing and some of that pent up passion needs venting. But Coaches are ten a penny, players come and go. A good owner is very hard to find... fairweathersupporter
  • Score: 6

1:27pm Tue 13 May 14

ballantrrae says...

Neville wrote:
Really good article in today's Argus about the reasons OG left,it states that players were brought in that he had no say in,which disputes the clubs stance,I tend to believe OG.Also had Spanish players lined up and none materialised.As most of us have sussed the problem lies squarely on the DoF.
Time for action.
Good post Neville, a new Head of Football definitely needed. Let the new Manager start with 'a clean slate'.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Really good article in today's Argus about the reasons OG left,it states that players were brought in that he had no say in,which disputes the clubs stance,I tend to believe OG.Also had Spanish players lined up and none materialised.As most of us have sussed the problem lies squarely on the DoF. Time for action.[/p][/quote]Good post Neville, a new Head of Football definitely needed. Let the new Manager start with 'a clean slate'. ballantrrae
  • Score: 4

1:35pm Tue 13 May 14

Joshiman says...

No comment just statistics
Spurs
21 12 3 6
European competition
6 1 1 4
No comment just statistics Spurs 21 12 3 6 European competition 6 1 1 4 Joshiman
  • Score: 6

1:38pm Tue 13 May 14

ballantrrae says...

MikeTheMan wrote:
If you take a step back and take a realistic look at our current squad it becomes very clear that a major overhaul is needed regardless of who becomes our next manager.

Three of our starting eleven are loanees and based on recent history they probably won’t be here next season, several players are out of contract, it is clear that a few players who have done well for us are now past their sell-by date, three of our players are serious sicknotes, a couple of our players are just not good enough, a few players don’t appear to want to be here and incredibly we are still paying three expensive but average Championship goalkeepers.

Presumably the team for our first match of next season will look very different and hopefully it will be better, more positive and capable of making a genuine challenge for automatic promotion. A lot of work needs to be done in a short space of time by the next manager! And obviously he needs to be able to get the players he wants.
Good post MikeTheMan. Two related questions. Will our new Manager whoever it is still want to go ahead with the pre-season schedule of friendly matches scheduled including the trip to Spain for both the first team squad and the DS ? Or will he want to 'fine-tune' and change it ?
[quote][p][bold]MikeTheMan[/bold] wrote: If you take a step back and take a realistic look at our current squad it becomes very clear that a major overhaul is needed regardless of who becomes our next manager. Three of our starting eleven are loanees and based on recent history they probably won’t be here next season, several players are out of contract, it is clear that a few players who have done well for us are now past their sell-by date, three of our players are serious sicknotes, a couple of our players are just not good enough, a few players don’t appear to want to be here and incredibly we are still paying three expensive but average Championship goalkeepers. Presumably the team for our first match of next season will look very different and hopefully it will be better, more positive and capable of making a genuine challenge for automatic promotion. A lot of work needs to be done in a short space of time by the next manager! And obviously he needs to be able to get the players he wants.[/p][/quote]Good post MikeTheMan. Two related questions. Will our new Manager whoever it is still want to go ahead with the pre-season schedule of friendly matches scheduled including the trip to Spain for both the first team squad and the DS ? Or will he want to 'fine-tune' and change it ? ballantrrae
  • Score: 4

1:48pm Tue 13 May 14

tinker111 says...

Alfie T wrote:
He's young hot headed and inexperienced, is he really the right choice to get us promoted ? Malky Mac would get my vote.
M M for me to but can we afford the bus fare down here I think not so tight is playing budget cant see any class manager coming two good ones gone got shafted by money men at club FANS WALK WITH FEET IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN FOOLISH ENOUGH TO HAVE PARTED WITH MONEY UP FRONT.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: He's young hot headed and inexperienced, is he really the right choice to get us promoted ? Malky Mac would get my vote.[/p][/quote]M M for me to but can we afford the bus fare down here I think not so tight is playing budget cant see any class manager coming two good ones gone got shafted by money men at club FANS WALK WITH FEET IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN FOOLISH ENOUGH TO HAVE PARTED WITH MONEY UP FRONT. tinker111
  • Score: -6

1:56pm Tue 13 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

So we get a new manager, Mr. Sherwood, and yes a manager not a head coach, his first job is to cull the squad, our D of F will have a hand in that, what does Sherwood know of our squad.
Next job is to negotiate new contracts for those we want to keep, assuming they want to stay, Barber deals with that.
Third job, start to recruit new players, if Sherwood is allowed to do this, with Barber overseeing the expenditure and nothing more, our D of F is no longer needed as he would serve no purpous, he can leave now.

End result, a new manager with a revitalised squad. A new manager that has the freedom to identify who he wants, and who he doesn't, no useless loanees arriving, with a CEO, Barber, ensuring that we don't over spend. Sounds like a perfect world to me.

The budget issue will raise it's head but I think money is there. We didn't spend all out budget from last year, or at least I don't see how we did. There is a sum available this year, there always is. We have a whole lot of new money coming in from our two new deals, naming rights and shirt, some of that can be used. Sherwood, his own assistant and Barber, what more do we need for the main task of managing the first team squad.
So we get a new manager, Mr. Sherwood, and yes a manager not a head coach, his first job is to cull the squad, our D of F will have a hand in that, what does Sherwood know of our squad. Next job is to negotiate new contracts for those we want to keep, assuming they want to stay, Barber deals with that. Third job, start to recruit new players, if Sherwood is allowed to do this, with Barber overseeing the expenditure and nothing more, our D of F is no longer needed as he would serve no purpous, he can leave now. End result, a new manager with a revitalised squad. A new manager that has the freedom to identify who he wants, and who he doesn't, no useless loanees arriving, with a CEO, Barber, ensuring that we don't over spend. Sounds like a perfect world to me. The budget issue will raise it's head but I think money is there. We didn't spend all out budget from last year, or at least I don't see how we did. There is a sum available this year, there always is. We have a whole lot of new money coming in from our two new deals, naming rights and shirt, some of that can be used. Sherwood, his own assistant and Barber, what more do we need for the main task of managing the first team squad. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

2:05pm Tue 13 May 14

elljam says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
All I would like is a person who has similar football style philosophy with attacking style and who clearly states 'I will not work under a Director of Football' - Just as Brendan Rodgers told John Henry and thankfully for Liverpool fans, John Henry, being an experienced sports club person and great judge of people, listened and agreed with his conditions.

The result has been clear for all to see - with a fraction of the funds Man City have he has produced a brand of scintillating football and achieved more than any Liverpool supporter would have dreamed of achieving in his first full year.

Let's hope that the penny eventually drops.
Good shout !
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: All I would like is a person who has similar football style philosophy with attacking style and who clearly states 'I will not work under a Director of Football' - Just as Brendan Rodgers told John Henry and thankfully for Liverpool fans, John Henry, being an experienced sports club person and great judge of people, listened and agreed with his conditions. The result has been clear for all to see - with a fraction of the funds Man City have he has produced a brand of scintillating football and achieved more than any Liverpool supporter would have dreamed of achieving in his first full year. Let's hope that the penny eventually drops.[/p][/quote]Good shout ! elljam
  • Score: 4

2:09pm Tue 13 May 14

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
So we get a new manager, Mr. Sherwood, and yes a manager not a head coach, his first job is to cull the squad, our D of F will have a hand in that, what does Sherwood know of our squad.
Next job is to negotiate new contracts for those we want to keep, assuming they want to stay, Barber deals with that.
Third job, start to recruit new players, if Sherwood is allowed to do this, with Barber overseeing the expenditure and nothing more, our D of F is no longer needed as he would serve no purpous, he can leave now.

End result, a new manager with a revitalised squad. A new manager that has the freedom to identify who he wants, and who he doesn't, no useless loanees arriving, with a CEO, Barber, ensuring that we don't over spend. Sounds like a perfect world to me.

The budget issue will raise it's head but I think money is there. We didn't spend all out budget from last year, or at least I don't see how we did. There is a sum available this year, there always is. We have a whole lot of new money coming in from our two new deals, naming rights and shirt, some of that can be used. Sherwood, his own assistant and Barber, what more do we need for the main task of managing the first team squad.
Vegas in your scenario would Day (Head of Scouting) be given more responsibility in helping the new Manager signing players assuming the Head of Football role that Burke currently holds becomes redundant ?
By the way I have understood that contract negotiations with targets was one of Burke's duties who should take that on Barber, the New Manager or Day ?
I agree that the Head of Football role needs re-evaluating or changing and if retained probably needs a change of personnel to have (as I posted earlier) 'a clean slate'.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: So we get a new manager, Mr. Sherwood, and yes a manager not a head coach, his first job is to cull the squad, our D of F will have a hand in that, what does Sherwood know of our squad. Next job is to negotiate new contracts for those we want to keep, assuming they want to stay, Barber deals with that. Third job, start to recruit new players, if Sherwood is allowed to do this, with Barber overseeing the expenditure and nothing more, our D of F is no longer needed as he would serve no purpous, he can leave now. End result, a new manager with a revitalised squad. A new manager that has the freedom to identify who he wants, and who he doesn't, no useless loanees arriving, with a CEO, Barber, ensuring that we don't over spend. Sounds like a perfect world to me. The budget issue will raise it's head but I think money is there. We didn't spend all out budget from last year, or at least I don't see how we did. There is a sum available this year, there always is. We have a whole lot of new money coming in from our two new deals, naming rights and shirt, some of that can be used. Sherwood, his own assistant and Barber, what more do we need for the main task of managing the first team squad.[/p][/quote]Vegas in your scenario would Day (Head of Scouting) be given more responsibility in helping the new Manager signing players assuming the Head of Football role that Burke currently holds becomes redundant ? By the way I have understood that contract negotiations with targets was one of Burke's duties who should take that on Barber, the New Manager or Day ? I agree that the Head of Football role needs re-evaluating or changing and if retained probably needs a change of personnel to have (as I posted earlier) 'a clean slate'. ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

2:24pm Tue 13 May 14

DGee says...

Steve Sherwood and Tony Bloom would not be a good mix imo. He says what he thinks and that wouldn't go down well with the board.
Steve Sherwood and Tony Bloom would not be a good mix imo. He says what he thinks and that wouldn't go down well with the board. DGee
  • Score: 0

2:26pm Tue 13 May 14

JoeBlow says...

Roy Hodgson will be available after the first round of the World Cup.
Roy Hodgson will be available after the first round of the World Cup. JoeBlow
  • Score: 5

2:48pm Tue 13 May 14

Trendy lefty says...

I am sure we will get the right person for new Manager/Coach. Well done to Oscar as he did a great job in the circumstances, all the best for the future to him.
Lets get real, where were we just a few years ago? Where are we now? We finished top ten in our first season at the Amex, and made the play-offs in the last two seasons. Not bad going really!! I think we should be grateful for where we are now and continue to build steadily and be financially sensible. The Championship is a great league to be, at least Albion have given us so much to shout about in the last few years. Lets say we were in Premiership now. We would do well to finish mid table, but would'nt that be a bit boring? Just be patient and enjoy what we have now. Yes we were taught a lesson by Derby, but remember the atmosphere and joy at the Forest game. Savour those moments, even though we faltered when it really mattered. That's football for you. Just enjoy and savour the great moments, forget the bad moments and move on and look to the future. We already have the excitement at the prospect of a new manager and what that may bring.
On a final note, we need to be much noisier at the Amex, not just 'sing when yer winning'. Come on Albion!!
I am sure we will get the right person for new Manager/Coach. Well done to Oscar as he did a great job in the circumstances, all the best for the future to him. Lets get real, where were we just a few years ago? Where are we now? We finished top ten in our first season at the Amex, and made the play-offs in the last two seasons. Not bad going really!! I think we should be grateful for where we are now and continue to build steadily and be financially sensible. The Championship is a great league to be, at least Albion have given us so much to shout about in the last few years. Lets say we were in Premiership now. We would do well to finish mid table, but would'nt that be a bit boring? Just be patient and enjoy what we have now. Yes we were taught a lesson by Derby, but remember the atmosphere and joy at the Forest game. Savour those moments, even though we faltered when it really mattered. That's football for you. Just enjoy and savour the great moments, forget the bad moments and move on and look to the future. We already have the excitement at the prospect of a new manager and what that may bring. On a final note, we need to be much noisier at the Amex, not just 'sing when yer winning'. Come on Albion!! Trendy lefty
  • Score: 1

2:53pm Tue 13 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

ballantrrae wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
So we get a new manager, Mr. Sherwood, and yes a manager not a head coach, his first job is to cull the squad, our D of F will have a hand in that, what does Sherwood know of our squad.
Next job is to negotiate new contracts for those we want to keep, assuming they want to stay, Barber deals with that.
Third job, start to recruit new players, if Sherwood is allowed to do this, with Barber overseeing the expenditure and nothing more, our D of F is no longer needed as he would serve no purpous, he can leave now.

End result, a new manager with a revitalised squad. A new manager that has the freedom to identify who he wants, and who he doesn't, no useless loanees arriving, with a CEO, Barber, ensuring that we don't over spend. Sounds like a perfect world to me.

The budget issue will raise it's head but I think money is there. We didn't spend all out budget from last year, or at least I don't see how we did. There is a sum available this year, there always is. We have a whole lot of new money coming in from our two new deals, naming rights and shirt, some of that can be used. Sherwood, his own assistant and Barber, what more do we need for the main task of managing the first team squad.
Vegas in your scenario would Day (Head of Scouting) be given more responsibility in helping the new Manager signing players assuming the Head of Football role that Burke currently holds becomes redundant ?
By the way I have understood that contract negotiations with targets was one of Burke's duties who should take that on Barber, the New Manager or Day ?
I agree that the Head of Football role needs re-evaluating or changing and if retained probably needs a change of personnel to have (as I posted earlier) 'a clean slate'.
Ballantrae, I would hope that if Sherwood comes to Brighton, he will look at every ingridient of the club. If he feels that the scouting set up is not right then fix it, or have Bloom or Barber fix it. One would think that Sherwood would bring in his own assistant manager, maybe it would be good for the assistant to work closer with the Day, or his replacement, in fact I think it might help if the chief scout answered to the assistant manager. I guess I would like to see more responsibility handed to those who's job it is to manage the players and get the results on the park.
Barber has the key to the safe, so when it comes time to negotiate players wages, have Sherwood do it with Barber keeping count of what is being spent. Purchase fees are what they are, we either win or lose a bid for a player.
I don't see the need for a D of F, take some of the powers away from the suits and give it to those wearing tracksuits. IMHO, Barber is more than capable of overseeing our finances whilst maintaining a good working relationship with a new manager, Oscar made that very clear when he singled him out for praise.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: So we get a new manager, Mr. Sherwood, and yes a manager not a head coach, his first job is to cull the squad, our D of F will have a hand in that, what does Sherwood know of our squad. Next job is to negotiate new contracts for those we want to keep, assuming they want to stay, Barber deals with that. Third job, start to recruit new players, if Sherwood is allowed to do this, with Barber overseeing the expenditure and nothing more, our D of F is no longer needed as he would serve no purpous, he can leave now. End result, a new manager with a revitalised squad. A new manager that has the freedom to identify who he wants, and who he doesn't, no useless loanees arriving, with a CEO, Barber, ensuring that we don't over spend. Sounds like a perfect world to me. The budget issue will raise it's head but I think money is there. We didn't spend all out budget from last year, or at least I don't see how we did. There is a sum available this year, there always is. We have a whole lot of new money coming in from our two new deals, naming rights and shirt, some of that can be used. Sherwood, his own assistant and Barber, what more do we need for the main task of managing the first team squad.[/p][/quote]Vegas in your scenario would Day (Head of Scouting) be given more responsibility in helping the new Manager signing players assuming the Head of Football role that Burke currently holds becomes redundant ? By the way I have understood that contract negotiations with targets was one of Burke's duties who should take that on Barber, the New Manager or Day ? I agree that the Head of Football role needs re-evaluating or changing and if retained probably needs a change of personnel to have (as I posted earlier) 'a clean slate'.[/p][/quote]Ballantrae, I would hope that if Sherwood comes to Brighton, he will look at every ingridient of the club. If he feels that the scouting set up is not right then fix it, or have Bloom or Barber fix it. One would think that Sherwood would bring in his own assistant manager, maybe it would be good for the assistant to work closer with the Day, or his replacement, in fact I think it might help if the chief scout answered to the assistant manager. I guess I would like to see more responsibility handed to those who's job it is to manage the players and get the results on the park. Barber has the key to the safe, so when it comes time to negotiate players wages, have Sherwood do it with Barber keeping count of what is being spent. Purchase fees are what they are, we either win or lose a bid for a player. I don't see the need for a D of F, take some of the powers away from the suits and give it to those wearing tracksuits. IMHO, Barber is more than capable of overseeing our finances whilst maintaining a good working relationship with a new manager, Oscar made that very clear when he singled him out for praise. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

3:37pm Tue 13 May 14

ballantrrae says...

rolivan wrote:
Tim Sherwood has left Spurs just announced
Well spotted Rolivan. How is Brittany ? I am off to Cahors at the end of June again.
Have you had the chance to read the Argus's excellent Article on the reasons for Oscar leaving. they chronicle a whole series of recruitment events that demonstrate how little practical support Oscar received from DB and his team especially from an end result viewpoint.
The issues seem to emanate mainly from how the Recruitment Department is structured (presumably set-up by DB). They are not helped by the protracted nature of wage negotiations with targets especially when TB is in Australia as was the case apparently with Grabban.
This issue clearly needs to be resolved as an immediate priority before any new Manager is appointed. If it isn't it will hold back IMO the developement of the club.
I shall be interested in finding out who will be appointed. My preferred to options are either Sherwood or (if you can call it an option) someone who has recently stopped playing like Neville supported by an experienced No2 like Steve Clarke. Perhaps someone like Terry or Lampard although the latter wouldn't be free, if interested, until after the World Cup.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: Tim Sherwood has left Spurs just announced[/p][/quote]Well spotted Rolivan. How is Brittany ? I am off to Cahors at the end of June again. Have you had the chance to read the Argus's excellent Article on the reasons for Oscar leaving. they chronicle a whole series of recruitment events that demonstrate how little practical support Oscar received from DB and his team especially from an end result viewpoint. The issues seem to emanate mainly from how the Recruitment Department is structured (presumably set-up by DB). They are not helped by the protracted nature of wage negotiations with targets especially when TB is in Australia as was the case apparently with Grabban. This issue clearly needs to be resolved as an immediate priority before any new Manager is appointed. If it isn't it will hold back IMO the developement of the club. I shall be interested in finding out who will be appointed. My preferred to options are either Sherwood or (if you can call it an option) someone who has recently stopped playing like Neville supported by an experienced No2 like Steve Clarke. Perhaps someone like Terry or Lampard although the latter wouldn't be free, if interested, until after the World Cup. ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

7:22pm Tue 13 May 14

Falmer Wizard says...

I would go for Clarke or the recent Norwich manager,however as the cash available for new signings is limited we are more likely to end up with a cheap option possibly Sherwood.
Oscar did well with the squad he had,will follow his progress in the future.
I would go for Clarke or the recent Norwich manager,however as the cash available for new signings is limited we are more likely to end up with a cheap option possibly Sherwood. Oscar did well with the squad he had,will follow his progress in the future. Falmer Wizard
  • Score: 0

10:33am Fri 16 May 14

Oscar's Chin says...

MrHove wrote:
Sherwood is going to end up at West Brom according to sky sources this morning, lots of good managers available at the moment...im going to throw giggs's name in there.
Feel free, I'll just throw it back over the fence and into the bushes.

Incidentally is this the bush FairweatherSupporter frequents?
[quote][p][bold]MrHove[/bold] wrote: Sherwood is going to end up at West Brom according to sky sources this morning, lots of good managers available at the moment...im going to throw giggs's name in there.[/p][/quote]Feel free, I'll just throw it back over the fence and into the bushes. Incidentally is this the bush FairweatherSupporter frequents? Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 1

11:18am Fri 16 May 14

Oscar's Chin says...

Oscar's Chin wrote:
MrHove wrote:
Sherwood is going to end up at West Brom according to sky sources this morning, lots of good managers available at the moment...im going to throw giggs's name in there.
Feel free, I'll just throw it back over the fence and into the bushes.

Incidentally is this the bush FairweatherSupporter frequents?
Haha....I meant fence he frequents....made him sound like a character from a Monty Python sketch there.
[quote][p][bold]Oscar's Chin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrHove[/bold] wrote: Sherwood is going to end up at West Brom according to sky sources this morning, lots of good managers available at the moment...im going to throw giggs's name in there.[/p][/quote]Feel free, I'll just throw it back over the fence and into the bushes. Incidentally is this the bush FairweatherSupporter frequents?[/p][/quote]Haha....I meant fence he frequents....made him sound like a character from a Monty Python sketch there. Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 1

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