Orlandi admits he was surprised to be let go

Andrea Orlandi

Andrea Orlandi

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Andrea Orlandi last night told of his surprise at being let go by Albion.

Orlandi and Tomasz Kuszczak were shock names on a list of six players told they were free to go.

David Lopez, David Rodriguez, Peter Brezovan and the unfortunate Will Hoskins are also being released.

But the Seagulls are believed to be keen on Grasshoppers midfielder Toko Nzuzi as they plan for a summer of change at the Amex.

Albion do not plan to make signings until a new manager has been appointed in place of Oscar Garcia, who resigned on Monday.

Matt Upson, Inigo Calderon, Bruno and Casper Ankergren have been offered deals and an option to keep Kazenga LuaLua has been activated.

Orlandi was confident a similar option would be taken up to keep him at the club for a third season after he rushed back from a thigh injury to play in the final four games of the campaign.

The playmaker, who signed from Swansea City on deadline day in August 2012, admitted: “It is hard for me to leave. I wasn’t expecting that. It is a really sad day for me.

“It has been a decision by the people at the club and you have to respect that.

“There is nothing I can do really now.

“I cannot thank the fans enough. I am really sorry this season I haven’t been able to perform as I did before because of injuries.

“Last year was probably the best football I’ve played. I’d always like people to remember me for that more than for my last game.”

Orlandi could continue his career back in Spain. He said: “We didn’t have anything lined up because we thought Brighton wanted to take up the option.

“I’d love to stay in England but I think there are some options in Spain as well.

“I don’t close any doors and we will see what happens.”

Meanwhile David Lopez has options in Spain, where he previously starred for Osasuna and Athletic Bilbao, although he has not ruled out staying in England.

Young frontrunner Brennan Dickenson is also being kept on by Albion but fellow under-21 squad members Grant Smith and Courtney Richards have been released.

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5:48am Thu 15 May 14

twonk says...

You can't sign a player that had a couple of good games a season.
You can't sign a player that had a couple of good games a season. twonk
  • Score: 3

5:56am Thu 15 May 14

mark by the sea says...

If last season was his best then it's best for him to leave, clearly the grass hopper player looks close, as does Joe Cole joining.. I sincerely hope the few offered new deals will accept..
As for Hoskins , lad has been here 3 years played a dozen games and scored a couple.. Received wages over 1 million , we supported him for 12 months when injured, we could have shown him the door and saved 300k last summer. But club needs every penny now to build a squad.
The new manager will be on a hiding to nothing if we struggle along in mid table playing tippy tap, with DADS army in defence.
If last season was his best then it's best for him to leave, clearly the grass hopper player looks close, as does Joe Cole joining.. I sincerely hope the few offered new deals will accept.. As for Hoskins , lad has been here 3 years played a dozen games and scored a couple.. Received wages over 1 million , we supported him for 12 months when injured, we could have shown him the door and saved 300k last summer. But club needs every penny now to build a squad. The new manager will be on a hiding to nothing if we struggle along in mid table playing tippy tap, with DADS army in defence. mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

6:06am Thu 15 May 14

namgo49 says...

Orlandi was a class player and should have been given the chance to prove himself fitness wise. Disappointed with the Club. I hope to hell they have got a decent goalkeeper lined up also!!!
Orlandi was a class player and should have been given the chance to prove himself fitness wise. Disappointed with the Club. I hope to hell they have got a decent goalkeeper lined up also!!! namgo49
  • Score: 22

6:12am Thu 15 May 14

namgo49 says...

Joe Cole should fit in well along side Kemy, another sick note!
Joe Cole should fit in well along side Kemy, another sick note! namgo49
  • Score: 4

6:19am Thu 15 May 14

namgo49 says...

Off story, I see Grabban is off to Cardiff for £3 mill. Bournemouth seem to know what they are about unlike the Brighton Burke!
Off story, I see Grabban is off to Cardiff for £3 mill. Bournemouth seem to know what they are about unlike the Brighton Burke! namgo49
  • Score: 6

6:22am Thu 15 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Clearly Grabban wanted to leave Bournemouth , but we did not do enough to convince him , Bournemouth upped there offer and he stayed,
The same question has to asked about Barnes , Conway , and van dyke , plus the guy who joined millwall ... Are we pushing the boat out for signing players who we know can deliver ie Conway , and Barnes ?
The two deals for grabban and van dyke were virtually in the bag, grabban stayed for money , Bournemouth just made 2 million extra for being pro active! Had Burke and TB been in charge at Bournemouth would they have countered a fresh offer? Or would we grab the million and plead FFP to the fans? In my opinion the Barnes conway deals were about wages, Conway would never say going to Blackburn was about wages,
I also sense DB is trying to get a name for himself as the bargain driver, TB probably loves his poker face in negotiations..
DB the man who takes agents and there demands on, DB the man who sticks to FFP .. If he is successful doing this , he will be premiership ready lol, and off to a big club,
Fans are not stupid, most can read between the lines , OG apparently had communication problems with DB and TB due to the language problem?
Was corporal Jones not there to fulfill that very role? By the fact he is now deciding the shape of the squad say what?
We now move on , I am sad we have DB playing the role of king Canute against the tide of player/ agents demands..
Next 6 months will be a interesting period ,
Clearly Grabban wanted to leave Bournemouth , but we did not do enough to convince him , Bournemouth upped there offer and he stayed, The same question has to asked about Barnes , Conway , and van dyke , plus the guy who joined millwall ... Are we pushing the boat out for signing players who we know can deliver ie Conway , and Barnes ? The two deals for grabban and van dyke were virtually in the bag, grabban stayed for money , Bournemouth just made 2 million extra for being pro active! Had Burke and TB been in charge at Bournemouth would they have countered a fresh offer? Or would we grab the million and plead FFP to the fans? In my opinion the Barnes conway deals were about wages, Conway would never say going to Blackburn was about wages, I also sense DB is trying to get a name for himself as the bargain driver, TB probably loves his poker face in negotiations.. DB the man who takes agents and there demands on, DB the man who sticks to FFP .. If he is successful doing this , he will be premiership ready lol, and off to a big club, Fans are not stupid, most can read between the lines , OG apparently had communication problems with DB and TB due to the language problem? Was corporal Jones not there to fulfill that very role? By the fact he is now deciding the shape of the squad say what? We now move on , I am sad we have DB playing the role of king Canute against the tide of player/ agents demands.. Next 6 months will be a interesting period , mark by the sea
  • Score: 6

6:35am Thu 15 May 14

mark by the sea says...

VEGAS..... You told us With certainty Grabban was just using the Albion to better his existing deal and never wanted to really leave Bournemouth, are you still sticking to that one?
VEGAS..... You told us With certainty Grabban was just using the Albion to better his existing deal and never wanted to really leave Bournemouth, are you still sticking to that one? mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

6:44am Thu 15 May 14

Eddy B says...

Good point about Van Dyke Mark... i think alot of issues behind the scenes began there and their momentum has contiued to thwart us in making key signings such as Grabban and Conway.

Am also surprised about Orlandi, one of our more creative players. But we were all surprised about David last summer and the Board actually turned out to be right about him. I expect TK wanted to leave anyway so can see reasons for that. Hoskins has looked good in his brief appearances but maybe his injury history is too much of a risk. We will see if he becomes a hit elsewhere or disappears. You could have put Buckley in that category too - one of our best players but now continually blighted by injury (hopefully the medical staff can see a way forward for his persistent hamstring issues).
Good point about Van Dyke Mark... i think alot of issues behind the scenes began there and their momentum has contiued to thwart us in making key signings such as Grabban and Conway. Am also surprised about Orlandi, one of our more creative players. But we were all surprised about David last summer and the Board actually turned out to be right about him. I expect TK wanted to leave anyway so can see reasons for that. Hoskins has looked good in his brief appearances but maybe his injury history is too much of a risk. We will see if he becomes a hit elsewhere or disappears. You could have put Buckley in that category too - one of our best players but now continually blighted by injury (hopefully the medical staff can see a way forward for his persistent hamstring issues). Eddy B
  • Score: 5

6:45am Thu 15 May 14

Alfie T says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VEGAS..... You told us With certainty Grabban was just using the Albion to better his existing deal and never wanted to really leave Bournemouth, are you still sticking to that one?
Everyone's got their price Mark, perhaps the Albions tippy tappy style on the pitch was mirrored off of it ith Grabban. In defence of Vegas Grabban did get himself a better deal, and now with Cardiff, probably doubled his salary.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: VEGAS..... You told us With certainty Grabban was just using the Albion to better his existing deal and never wanted to really leave Bournemouth, are you still sticking to that one?[/p][/quote]Everyone's got their price Mark, perhaps the Albions tippy tappy style on the pitch was mirrored off of it ith Grabban. In defence of Vegas Grabban did get himself a better deal, and now with Cardiff, probably doubled his salary. Alfie T
  • Score: 8

6:47am Thu 15 May 14

Alfie T says...

namgo49 wrote:
Orlandi was a class player and should have been given the chance to prove himself fitness wise. Disappointed with the Club. I hope to hell they have got a decent goalkeeper lined up also!!!
Yes agree, always liked Orlandi, classy player, don't think he will have a problem finding Championship football, or perhaps higher.
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: Orlandi was a class player and should have been given the chance to prove himself fitness wise. Disappointed with the Club. I hope to hell they have got a decent goalkeeper lined up also!!![/p][/quote]Yes agree, always liked Orlandi, classy player, don't think he will have a problem finding Championship football, or perhaps higher. Alfie T
  • Score: 15

6:53am Thu 15 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Alfie T wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VEGAS..... You told us With certainty Grabban was just using the Albion to better his existing deal and never wanted to really leave Bournemouth, are you still sticking to that one?
Everyone's got their price Mark, perhaps the Albions tippy tappy style on the pitch was mirrored off of it ith Grabban. In defence of Vegas Grabban did get himself a better deal, and now with Cardiff, probably doubled his salary.
Yes but at the time Grabban wanted to come, did he meet OG or did he meet DB , guy went on to score 20 odd goals , player of the year, .. I just wonder if our scouts get rubbished by a few on here, but they spotted Conway and Grabban , had both in the grasp of our hands , but could not complete the deal.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: VEGAS..... You told us With certainty Grabban was just using the Albion to better his existing deal and never wanted to really leave Bournemouth, are you still sticking to that one?[/p][/quote]Everyone's got their price Mark, perhaps the Albions tippy tappy style on the pitch was mirrored off of it ith Grabban. In defence of Vegas Grabban did get himself a better deal, and now with Cardiff, probably doubled his salary.[/p][/quote]Yes but at the time Grabban wanted to come, did he meet OG or did he meet DB , guy went on to score 20 odd goals , player of the year, .. I just wonder if our scouts get rubbished by a few on here, but they spotted Conway and Grabban , had both in the grasp of our hands , but could not complete the deal. mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

7:06am Thu 15 May 14

elljam says...

twonk wrote:
You can't sign a player that had a couple of good games a season.
Did you not see him play in his first season here twonk ?

I still think there was better to come from him with the right manager & with better movement around him. As for being injury prone as some people are saying, it was only this season. I don't recall him missing many games last season.
[quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: You can't sign a player that had a couple of good games a season.[/p][/quote]Did you not see him play in his first season here twonk ? I still think there was better to come from him with the right manager & with better movement around him. As for being injury prone as some people are saying, it was only this season. I don't recall him missing many games last season. elljam
  • Score: 11

7:08am Thu 15 May 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

If Sherwood does become the new manager expect one of his first signings to be Brad Freidel. One of TK's bigges6 faults was his kicking - BF kicks go into the opposing penalty area.
If Sherwood does become the new manager expect one of his first signings to be Brad Freidel. One of TK's bigges6 faults was his kicking - BF kicks go into the opposing penalty area. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 6

7:11am Thu 15 May 14

Alfie T says...

Alfie T wrote:
namgo49 wrote:
Orlandi was a class player and should have been given the chance to prove himself fitness wise. Disappointed with the Club. I hope to hell they have got a decent goalkeeper lined up also!!!
Yes agree, always liked Orlandi, classy player, don't think he will have a problem finding Championship football, or perhaps higher.
You read a lot of players saying that a particular managers enthusiasm and the way they sell the clubs ambition is a major factor in signing. Can't really see OG doing that somehow, hate to admit it, but think Gus would have got his man.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: Orlandi was a class player and should have been given the chance to prove himself fitness wise. Disappointed with the Club. I hope to hell they have got a decent goalkeeper lined up also!!![/p][/quote]Yes agree, always liked Orlandi, classy player, don't think he will have a problem finding Championship football, or perhaps higher.[/p][/quote]You read a lot of players saying that a particular managers enthusiasm and the way they sell the clubs ambition is a major factor in signing. Can't really see OG doing that somehow, hate to admit it, but think Gus would have got his man. Alfie T
  • Score: 11

7:16am Thu 15 May 14

Alfie T says...

Alfie T wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
namgo49 wrote:
Orlandi was a class player and should have been given the chance to prove himself fitness wise. Disappointed with the Club. I hope to hell they have got a decent goalkeeper lined up also!!!
Yes agree, always liked Orlandi, classy player, don't think he will have a problem finding Championship football, or perhaps higher.
You read a lot of players saying that a particular managers enthusiasm and the way they sell the clubs ambition is a major factor in signing. Can't really see OG doing that somehow, hate to admit it, but think Gus would have got his man.
Sorry, was responding to Mark's post.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: Orlandi was a class player and should have been given the chance to prove himself fitness wise. Disappointed with the Club. I hope to hell they have got a decent goalkeeper lined up also!!![/p][/quote]Yes agree, always liked Orlandi, classy player, don't think he will have a problem finding Championship football, or perhaps higher.[/p][/quote]You read a lot of players saying that a particular managers enthusiasm and the way they sell the clubs ambition is a major factor in signing. Can't really see OG doing that somehow, hate to admit it, but think Gus would have got his man.[/p][/quote]Sorry, was responding to Mark's post. Alfie T
  • Score: 0

7:20am Thu 15 May 14

Alfie T says...

Had a look at Toko Nzuzi on a NSC link, just appears to run around kicking opponents, not quite a like for like with Orlandi.
Had a look at Toko Nzuzi on a NSC link, just appears to run around kicking opponents, not quite a like for like with Orlandi. Alfie T
  • Score: 4

7:21am Thu 15 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Alfie T wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VEGAS..... You told us With certainty Grabban was just using the Albion to better his existing deal and never wanted to really leave Bournemouth, are you still sticking to that one?
Everyone's got their price Mark, perhaps the Albions tippy tappy style on the pitch was mirrored off of it ith Grabban. In defence of Vegas Grabban did get himself a better deal, and now with Cardiff, probably doubled his salary.
Yes Bournemouth , grabban both got better deals in the long run,
We offered him another thirty quid and a freezer full of curry pies ( my least favourite )
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: VEGAS..... You told us With certainty Grabban was just using the Albion to better his existing deal and never wanted to really leave Bournemouth, are you still sticking to that one?[/p][/quote]Everyone's got their price Mark, perhaps the Albions tippy tappy style on the pitch was mirrored off of it ith Grabban. In defence of Vegas Grabban did get himself a better deal, and now with Cardiff, probably doubled his salary.[/p][/quote]Yes Bournemouth , grabban both got better deals in the long run, We offered him another thirty quid and a freezer full of curry pies ( my least favourite ) mark by the sea
  • Score: -7

7:31am Thu 15 May 14

Ellen Street says...

Orlandi is one of the most technically gifted and creative footballers to have played for the Albion.There is something of David Beckham about his style,a touch of genius.Sorry to see him treated this way.
Orlandi is one of the most technically gifted and creative footballers to have played for the Albion.There is something of David Beckham about his style,a touch of genius.Sorry to see him treated this way. Ellen Street
  • Score: 19

7:34am Thu 15 May 14

farside says...

No reporting of Tony Bloom's BBC interview?
Surprising but then he was somewhat critical of the argus
No reporting of Tony Bloom's BBC interview? Surprising but then he was somewhat critical of the argus farside
  • Score: 4

7:48am Thu 15 May 14

Broadwater Juice says...

#bringbackorlandi
#bringbackorlandi Broadwater Juice
  • Score: 11

8:07am Thu 15 May 14

To baldly go says...

With Orlandi, it's all about the money imo, not him being greedy, but the club looking to streamline it's costs, he is talented yes, but wages against games played he was probably one of the most expensive player out there, with his contract coming to an end it was an easy choice to let him go. If Cms had finished his contract this season he might have been in the same boat!
With Orlandi, it's all about the money imo, not him being greedy, but the club looking to streamline it's costs, he is talented yes, but wages against games played he was probably one of the most expensive player out there, with his contract coming to an end it was an easy choice to let him go. If Cms had finished his contract this season he might have been in the same boat! To baldly go
  • Score: 4

8:07am Thu 15 May 14

dave from bexill says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
If Sherwood does become the new manager expect one of his first signings to be Brad Freidel. One of TK's bigges6 faults was his kicking - BF kicks go into the opposing penalty area.
Brad Freidal....Nice call and realistic chance of getting him I would think. Still very fit.
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: If Sherwood does become the new manager expect one of his first signings to be Brad Freidel. One of TK's bigges6 faults was his kicking - BF kicks go into the opposing penalty area.[/p][/quote]Brad Freidal....Nice call and realistic chance of getting him I would think. Still very fit. dave from bexill
  • Score: 7

8:33am Thu 15 May 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

I would like to add that we seem to be very good at buying players who turn out to be crocks or unfit , there are still a couple of sick notes left in the squad, we also seem to let players go and let them go for virtually nothing, apart from bridcutt and Barnes that is, surely some of these players must have a value to some other possibly lower leauge teams, but then I guess this is the measure of our very expensive head of football Mr no charisma Berk.
I would like to add that we seem to be very good at buying players who turn out to be crocks or unfit , there are still a couple of sick notes left in the squad, we also seem to let players go and let them go for virtually nothing, apart from bridcutt and Barnes that is, surely some of these players must have a value to some other possibly lower leauge teams, but then I guess this is the measure of our very expensive head of football Mr no charisma Berk. Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: 0

9:10am Thu 15 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

"OG apparently had communication problems with DB and TB due to the language problem"

That is not what was said, it was just a "communication problem" as in perhaps being quiet, uncommunicative, difficult to get hold of perhaps- nothing to do with language.

Reading between the lines often results in seeing things that just don't exists anywhere ther than in your own head.
"OG apparently had communication problems with DB and TB due to the language problem" That is not what was said, it was just a "communication problem" as in perhaps being quiet, uncommunicative, difficult to get hold of perhaps- nothing to do with language. Reading between the lines often results in seeing things that just don't exists anywhere ther than in your own head. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

9:12am Thu 15 May 14

russellsnr2 says...

Lots of maybe's and if's above but I stated before and now, "Leave the players in and players out to the MANAGER" that is part of his job.
Whoever takes the reigns will have his player want list and I hope the club will back him in this respect 100%.
Also hope that the club do not take an eternity to make a decision on the new MANAGER I read that there are many top MANAGERS after the post so surely cannot be that difficult to choose the one we need?
Lots of maybe's and if's above but I stated before and now, "Leave the players in and players out to the MANAGER" that is part of his job. Whoever takes the reigns will have his player want list and I hope the club will back him in this respect 100%. Also hope that the club do not take an eternity to make a decision on the new MANAGER I read that there are many top MANAGERS after the post so surely cannot be that difficult to choose the one we need? russellsnr2
  • Score: 1

9:12am Thu 15 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Also, I'm sure the TB interview says quite clearly that Grabban met with OG...
Also, I'm sure the TB interview says quite clearly that Grabban met with OG... Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

10:03am Thu 15 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

dave from bexill wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
If Sherwood does become the new manager expect one of his first signings to be Brad Freidel. One of TK's bigges6 faults was his kicking - BF kicks go into the opposing penalty area.
Brad Freidal....Nice call and realistic chance of getting him I would think. Still very fit.
Been a good keeper in his time, but he's now 42.
Whatever his history of fitness, he's not one for me now I'm afraid. I can't see him being a mainstay for 46 matches.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: If Sherwood does become the new manager expect one of his first signings to be Brad Freidel. One of TK's bigges6 faults was his kicking - BF kicks go into the opposing penalty area.[/p][/quote]Brad Freidal....Nice call and realistic chance of getting him I would think. Still very fit.[/p][/quote]Been a good keeper in his time, but he's now 42. Whatever his history of fitness, he's not one for me now I'm afraid. I can't see him being a mainstay for 46 matches. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

10:03am Thu 15 May 14

Andrea Orlandigasm says...

Broadwater Juice wrote:
#bringbackorlandi
Hopefully the new manager will bring back sexy Andrea. If it is Sherwood perhaps he will bring in Tom Carroll, who would be great signing at least on loan
[quote][p][bold]Broadwater Juice[/bold] wrote: #bringbackorlandi[/p][/quote]Hopefully the new manager will bring back sexy Andrea. If it is Sherwood perhaps he will bring in Tom Carroll, who would be great signing at least on loan Andrea Orlandigasm
  • Score: 8

10:30am Thu 15 May 14

gilbertthecat says...

The one major surprise for me and sad to see him going. He's been carrying an injury most of the season and I guess this may be an influence on the decision. For the player not to have some idea he was to be released says something I think. I would have been happy to see him given another season to show what he can do as he is still a very gifted player in my opinion. Maybe he'll come back if the new man at the top wants him - or maybe he would decide to steer clear himself. However, what we need now is to replace him with a very creative attacking midfielder who can run at defences and crack them open with a killer pass to our striker(s) while putting away a few himself. I look forward to seeing what develops in the next few weeks.
The one major surprise for me and sad to see him going. He's been carrying an injury most of the season and I guess this may be an influence on the decision. For the player not to have some idea he was to be released says something I think. I would have been happy to see him given another season to show what he can do as he is still a very gifted player in my opinion. Maybe he'll come back if the new man at the top wants him - or maybe he would decide to steer clear himself. However, what we need now is to replace him with a very creative attacking midfielder who can run at defences and crack them open with a killer pass to our striker(s) while putting away a few himself. I look forward to seeing what develops in the next few weeks. gilbertthecat
  • Score: 8

12:11pm Thu 15 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
"OG apparently had communication problems with DB and TB due to the language problem"

That is not what was said, it was just a "communication problem" as in perhaps being quiet, uncommunicative, difficult to get hold of perhaps- nothing to do with language.

Reading between the lines often results in seeing things that just don't exists anywhere ther than in your own head.
You can read it how you like, can't see a communication problem with the players who did a great job even with a thin squad..
As you,raised your head Arnie ,,
1) how many centre backs do we now need ? You stated OG had plans if we lost two to injury? I think you said Calderon would play there! That statement you made was a disaster in reality, dunk and ward were dragged all over the place!
2) TB would say there was a problem , he is not going to say we handled it badly, and are not about to change the set up!
3) are you confident the new manager will move the players around like chess pieces ! Another farcical statement when we could not live with Derby.
4) Leicester to bid 7 million for ulloa as I stated 3 months ago ( I think you said that was in my head too! Lol)
Can you assess your statement in November where you were confident that CMS and Hoskins would play a massive part in this season!
5) you told us all augustin would come good? When exactly is this going to happen?
Basically Arnie you play to the website backing the Albion to the hilt without a clue really what is going on..
For those that may say I am wrong! What would be our assessment if this farce was happening at palace, total mismanagement , let's not forget FFP will be our saviour ! You hang on every word from DB as though he knows something special.. Clubs will challenge that rule and it won't happen.
You cannot enforce a illegal agreement even if it's signed by all parties.
What the league want is to say how a company is run! Watch the challenges hit the fan this summer.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: "OG apparently had communication problems with DB and TB due to the language problem" That is not what was said, it was just a "communication problem" as in perhaps being quiet, uncommunicative, difficult to get hold of perhaps- nothing to do with language. Reading between the lines often results in seeing things that just don't exists anywhere ther than in your own head.[/p][/quote]You can read it how you like, can't see a communication problem with the players who did a great job even with a thin squad.. As you,raised your head Arnie ,, 1) how many centre backs do we now need ? You stated OG had plans if we lost two to injury? I think you said Calderon would play there! That statement you made was a disaster in reality, dunk and ward were dragged all over the place! 2) TB would say there was a problem , he is not going to say we handled it badly, and are not about to change the set up! 3) are you confident the new manager will move the players around like chess pieces ! Another farcical statement when we could not live with Derby. 4) Leicester to bid 7 million for ulloa as I stated 3 months ago ( I think you said that was in my head too! Lol) Can you assess your statement in November where you were confident that CMS and Hoskins would play a massive part in this season! 5) you told us all augustin would come good? When exactly is this going to happen? Basically Arnie you play to the website backing the Albion to the hilt without a clue really what is going on.. For those that may say I am wrong! What would be our assessment if this farce was happening at palace, total mismanagement , let's not forget FFP will be our saviour ! You hang on every word from DB as though he knows something special.. Clubs will challenge that rule and it won't happen. You cannot enforce a illegal agreement even if it's signed by all parties. What the league want is to say how a company is run! Watch the challenges hit the fan this summer. mark by the sea
  • Score: -5

12:18pm Thu 15 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Oh Arnie I give you a example of contracts , Bosman ! The whole world thought they owned a man even when his contract had run out! FIFA , then FA Thought they could own players till they wanted shot !
Oh Arnie I give you a example of contracts , Bosman ! The whole world thought they owned a man even when his contract had run out! FIFA , then FA Thought they could own players till they wanted shot ! mark by the sea
  • Score: -1

1:03pm Thu 15 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
"OG apparently had communication problems with DB and TB due to the language problem"

That is not what was said, it was just a "communication problem" as in perhaps being quiet, uncommunicative, difficult to get hold of perhaps- nothing to do with language.

Reading between the lines often results in seeing things that just don't exists anywhere ther than in your own head.
You can read it how you like, can't see a communication problem with the players who did a great job even with a thin squad..
As you,raised your head Arnie ,,
1) how many centre backs do we now need ? You stated OG had plans if we lost two to injury? I think you said Calderon would play there! That statement you made was a disaster in reality, dunk and ward were dragged all over the place!
2) TB would say there was a problem , he is not going to say we handled it badly, and are not about to change the set up!
3) are you confident the new manager will move the players around like chess pieces ! Another farcical statement when we could not live with Derby.
4) Leicester to bid 7 million for ulloa as I stated 3 months ago ( I think you said that was in my head too! Lol)
Can you assess your statement in November where you were confident that CMS and Hoskins would play a massive part in this season!
5) you told us all augustin would come good? When exactly is this going to happen?
Basically Arnie you play to the website backing the Albion to the hilt without a clue really what is going on..
For those that may say I am wrong! What would be our assessment if this farce was happening at palace, total mismanagement , let's not forget FFP will be our saviour ! You hang on every word from DB as though he knows something special.. Clubs will challenge that rule and it won't happen.
You cannot enforce a illegal agreement even if it's signed by all parties.
What the league want is to say how a company is run! Watch the challenges hit the fan this summer.
(1) We would have been fine with two defenders out injured. We had three defenders out injured so Calde had to cover right-back. Three is always going to be hard to manage, if only because you will never have four CB all good enough for the Champ if two are always going to be on the bench.
(2) Not a question
(3) Yes, the new manager may well move the players around like chess pieces. Or he may insist they never move more than five yards from their given position. Not sure of you point here? We could not live with Derby because they were playing very well and we had three defenders missing (see above).
(4) You're claiming something now you claimed three months ago, both times unverified. We can all continue to claim things, but unless it happens I'm not sure of your point. Will not comment unless it actually happens.
(4b) Hoskins didn't play, granted, but was it not CMS's last gasp cross that got us into the play-offs? If that's not "massive" then let me know what you think is.
(5) With a new manager Agustien may still well become good. It seems the problem between him and OG was personal as reports are that he's as fit as a butcher's dog right now. The difference is I offer my opinions as opinions, you generally offer yours as absolute facts.

Also: I never hang on anything DB says as AFAICT he rarely ever says anything in public. Do you actually mean TB? In which case yes, I am more inclined to believe him than you. And before you get on your high horse about being singled out, I will believe him more than many people on this website who have absolutely no insight whatsoever.

You have your opinion on FFP and I have mine, but think on this: if the Football League renege on the rules they open themselves up to lawsuits from those clubs which inhibited their dealings in order to comply. If you're going to get sued anyway, why go against your own plans, plans which are designed to stop clubs folding? The clubs are already being told how to run their clubs - that's what the rules of association are. If they don't like it they can always withdraw from competition.

Final thought: I may indeed back the club (truly amazing, it's ALMOST like I'm a real supporter!) but you do quite the opposite and always look on the downside - as many on here have accused you of recently. Which of us enjoys being a fan more - you with your constant negativity, or me with my positive outlook? It's not you.

Feel free to respond, but this thread is dead to me now and all future posts of yours will be ignored as I do with all the other trolls and WUMs who try to kick things off.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: "OG apparently had communication problems with DB and TB due to the language problem" That is not what was said, it was just a "communication problem" as in perhaps being quiet, uncommunicative, difficult to get hold of perhaps- nothing to do with language. Reading between the lines often results in seeing things that just don't exists anywhere ther than in your own head.[/p][/quote]You can read it how you like, can't see a communication problem with the players who did a great job even with a thin squad.. As you,raised your head Arnie ,, 1) how many centre backs do we now need ? You stated OG had plans if we lost two to injury? I think you said Calderon would play there! That statement you made was a disaster in reality, dunk and ward were dragged all over the place! 2) TB would say there was a problem , he is not going to say we handled it badly, and are not about to change the set up! 3) are you confident the new manager will move the players around like chess pieces ! Another farcical statement when we could not live with Derby. 4) Leicester to bid 7 million for ulloa as I stated 3 months ago ( I think you said that was in my head too! Lol) Can you assess your statement in November where you were confident that CMS and Hoskins would play a massive part in this season! 5) you told us all augustin would come good? When exactly is this going to happen? Basically Arnie you play to the website backing the Albion to the hilt without a clue really what is going on.. For those that may say I am wrong! What would be our assessment if this farce was happening at palace, total mismanagement , let's not forget FFP will be our saviour ! You hang on every word from DB as though he knows something special.. Clubs will challenge that rule and it won't happen. You cannot enforce a illegal agreement even if it's signed by all parties. What the league want is to say how a company is run! Watch the challenges hit the fan this summer.[/p][/quote](1) We would have been fine with two defenders out injured. We had three defenders out injured so Calde had to cover right-back. Three is always going to be hard to manage, if only because you will never have four CB all good enough for the Champ if two are always going to be on the bench. (2) Not a question (3) Yes, the new manager may well move the players around like chess pieces. Or he may insist they never move more than five yards from their given position. Not sure of you point here? We could not live with Derby because they were playing very well and we had three defenders missing (see above). (4) You're claiming something now you claimed three months ago, both times unverified. We can all continue to claim things, but unless it happens I'm not sure of your point. Will not comment unless it actually happens. (4b) Hoskins didn't play, granted, but was it not CMS's last gasp cross that got us into the play-offs? If that's not "massive" then let me know what you think is. (5) With a new manager Agustien may still well become good. It seems the problem between him and OG was personal as reports are that he's as fit as a butcher's dog right now. The difference is I offer my opinions as opinions, you generally offer yours as absolute facts. Also: I never hang on anything DB says as AFAICT he rarely ever says anything in public. Do you actually mean TB? In which case yes, I am more inclined to believe him than you. And before you get on your high horse about being singled out, I will believe him more than many people on this website who have absolutely no insight whatsoever. You have your opinion on FFP and I have mine, but think on this: if the Football League renege on the rules they open themselves up to lawsuits from those clubs which inhibited their dealings in order to comply. If you're going to get sued anyway, why go against your own plans, plans which are designed to stop clubs folding? The clubs are already being told how to run their clubs - that's what the rules of association are. If they don't like it they can always withdraw from competition. Final thought: I may indeed back the club (truly amazing, it's ALMOST like I'm a real supporter!) but you do quite the opposite and always look on the downside - as many on here have accused you of recently. Which of us enjoys being a fan more - you with your constant negativity, or me with my positive outlook? It's not you. Feel free to respond, but this thread is dead to me now and all future posts of yours will be ignored as I do with all the other trolls and WUMs who try to kick things off. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

1:09pm Thu 15 May 14

Piglet1 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
"OG apparently had communication problems with DB and TB due to the language problem"

That is not what was said, it was just a "communication problem" as in perhaps being quiet, uncommunicative, difficult to get hold of perhaps- nothing to do with language.

Reading between the lines often results in seeing things that just don't exists anywhere ther than in your own head.
You can read it how you like, can't see a communication problem with the players who did a great job even with a thin squad..
As you,raised your head Arnie ,,
1) how many centre backs do we now need ? You stated OG had plans if we lost two to injury? I think you said Calderon would play there! That statement you made was a disaster in reality, dunk and ward were dragged all over the place!
2) TB would say there was a problem , he is not going to say we handled it badly, and are not about to change the set up!
3) are you confident the new manager will move the players around like chess pieces ! Another farcical statement when we could not live with Derby.
4) Leicester to bid 7 million for ulloa as I stated 3 months ago ( I think you said that was in my head too! Lol)
Can you assess your statement in November where you were confident that CMS and Hoskins would play a massive part in this season!
5) you told us all augustin would come good? When exactly is this going to happen?
Basically Arnie you play to the website backing the Albion to the hilt without a clue really what is going on..
For those that may say I am wrong! What would be our assessment if this farce was happening at palace, total mismanagement , let's not forget FFP will be our saviour ! You hang on every word from DB as though he knows something special.. Clubs will challenge that rule and it won't happen.
You cannot enforce a illegal agreement even if it's signed by all parties.
What the league want is to say how a company is run! Watch the challenges hit the fan this summer.
To be fair to Arnie we could produce a huge list of things you have said that have not transpired. But it is too boring to do so.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: "OG apparently had communication problems with DB and TB due to the language problem" That is not what was said, it was just a "communication problem" as in perhaps being quiet, uncommunicative, difficult to get hold of perhaps- nothing to do with language. Reading between the lines often results in seeing things that just don't exists anywhere ther than in your own head.[/p][/quote]You can read it how you like, can't see a communication problem with the players who did a great job even with a thin squad.. As you,raised your head Arnie ,, 1) how many centre backs do we now need ? You stated OG had plans if we lost two to injury? I think you said Calderon would play there! That statement you made was a disaster in reality, dunk and ward were dragged all over the place! 2) TB would say there was a problem , he is not going to say we handled it badly, and are not about to change the set up! 3) are you confident the new manager will move the players around like chess pieces ! Another farcical statement when we could not live with Derby. 4) Leicester to bid 7 million for ulloa as I stated 3 months ago ( I think you said that was in my head too! Lol) Can you assess your statement in November where you were confident that CMS and Hoskins would play a massive part in this season! 5) you told us all augustin would come good? When exactly is this going to happen? Basically Arnie you play to the website backing the Albion to the hilt without a clue really what is going on.. For those that may say I am wrong! What would be our assessment if this farce was happening at palace, total mismanagement , let's not forget FFP will be our saviour ! You hang on every word from DB as though he knows something special.. Clubs will challenge that rule and it won't happen. You cannot enforce a illegal agreement even if it's signed by all parties. What the league want is to say how a company is run! Watch the challenges hit the fan this summer.[/p][/quote]To be fair to Arnie we could produce a huge list of things you have said that have not transpired. But it is too boring to do so. Piglet1
  • Score: 4

1:39pm Thu 15 May 14

CantUseNSCatWork says...

Of those released the one I'm most gutted to see go is Orlandi - on his day he is a class player. I think it may have been prudent to wait until we know who the new boss is going to be and have waited for his opinion on whether to keep him or not.

Of the others, Kuszczak I can understand being released as he didn't really seem to want to be here with all his premiership talk, and the rest, well fair enough I guess.
Of those released the one I'm most gutted to see go is Orlandi - on his day he is a class player. I think it may have been prudent to wait until we know who the new boss is going to be and have waited for his opinion on whether to keep him or not. Of the others, Kuszczak I can understand being released as he didn't really seem to want to be here with all his premiership talk, and the rest, well fair enough I guess. CantUseNSCatWork
  • Score: 3

1:51pm Thu 15 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

CantUseNSCatWork wrote:
Of those released the one I'm most gutted to see go is Orlandi - on his day he is a class player. I think it may have been prudent to wait until we know who the new boss is going to be and have waited for his opinion on whether to keep him or not.

Of the others, Kuszczak I can understand being released as he didn't really seem to want to be here with all his premiership talk, and the rest, well fair enough I guess.
Oddly enough I am not surprised that Orlandi was not retained, in fact I am somewhat surprised that Buckley was transfer listed.
Whilst both players are very good on their day, the number of, 'days,' can't be relied on, in fact what we can rely on is that both of them are likely to be out for periods of the season with persistent injuries.
If our budget is not as big as other clubs, largely those with parachute payments, those that are getting wages must be available to earn said wages.
[quote][p][bold]CantUseNSCatWork[/bold] wrote: Of those released the one I'm most gutted to see go is Orlandi - on his day he is a class player. I think it may have been prudent to wait until we know who the new boss is going to be and have waited for his opinion on whether to keep him or not. Of the others, Kuszczak I can understand being released as he didn't really seem to want to be here with all his premiership talk, and the rest, well fair enough I guess.[/p][/quote]Oddly enough I am not surprised that Orlandi was not retained, in fact I am somewhat surprised that Buckley was transfer listed. Whilst both players are very good on their day, the number of, 'days,' can't be relied on, in fact what we can rely on is that both of them are likely to be out for periods of the season with persistent injuries. If our budget is not as big as other clubs, largely those with parachute payments, those that are getting wages must be available to earn said wages. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

2:07pm Thu 15 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
CantUseNSCatWork wrote:
Of those released the one I'm most gutted to see go is Orlandi - on his day he is a class player. I think it may have been prudent to wait until we know who the new boss is going to be and have waited for his opinion on whether to keep him or not.

Of the others, Kuszczak I can understand being released as he didn't really seem to want to be here with all his premiership talk, and the rest, well fair enough I guess.
Oddly enough I am not surprised that Orlandi was not retained, in fact I am somewhat surprised that Buckley was transfer listed.
Whilst both players are very good on their day, the number of, 'days,' can't be relied on, in fact what we can rely on is that both of them are likely to be out for periods of the season with persistent injuries.
If our budget is not as big as other clubs, largely those with parachute payments, those that are getting wages must be available to earn said wages.
Buckley was NOT transfer listed,
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CantUseNSCatWork[/bold] wrote: Of those released the one I'm most gutted to see go is Orlandi - on his day he is a class player. I think it may have been prudent to wait until we know who the new boss is going to be and have waited for his opinion on whether to keep him or not. Of the others, Kuszczak I can understand being released as he didn't really seem to want to be here with all his premiership talk, and the rest, well fair enough I guess.[/p][/quote]Oddly enough I am not surprised that Orlandi was not retained, in fact I am somewhat surprised that Buckley was transfer listed. Whilst both players are very good on their day, the number of, 'days,' can't be relied on, in fact what we can rely on is that both of them are likely to be out for periods of the season with persistent injuries. If our budget is not as big as other clubs, largely those with parachute payments, those that are getting wages must be available to earn said wages.[/p][/quote]Buckley was NOT transfer listed, VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

2:12pm Thu 15 May 14

gilbertthecat says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
CantUseNSCatWork wrote:
Of those released the one I'm most gutted to see go is Orlandi - on his day he is a class player. I think it may have been prudent to wait until we know who the new boss is going to be and have waited for his opinion on whether to keep him or not.

Of the others, Kuszczak I can understand being released as he didn't really seem to want to be here with all his premiership talk, and the rest, well fair enough I guess.
Oddly enough I am not surprised that Orlandi was not retained, in fact I am somewhat surprised that Buckley was transfer listed.
Whilst both players are very good on their day, the number of, 'days,' can't be relied on, in fact what we can rely on is that both of them are likely to be out for periods of the season with persistent injuries.
If our budget is not as big as other clubs, largely those with parachute payments, those that are getting wages must be available to earn said wages.
Maybe the answer is in potential sell on value. WB is still in contract so worth something to us from another club. Sure there were one or two PL sides sniffing around in January. AO was out of contract so effectively worth sod all at this particular point in time.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CantUseNSCatWork[/bold] wrote: Of those released the one I'm most gutted to see go is Orlandi - on his day he is a class player. I think it may have been prudent to wait until we know who the new boss is going to be and have waited for his opinion on whether to keep him or not. Of the others, Kuszczak I can understand being released as he didn't really seem to want to be here with all his premiership talk, and the rest, well fair enough I guess.[/p][/quote]Oddly enough I am not surprised that Orlandi was not retained, in fact I am somewhat surprised that Buckley was transfer listed. Whilst both players are very good on their day, the number of, 'days,' can't be relied on, in fact what we can rely on is that both of them are likely to be out for periods of the season with persistent injuries. If our budget is not as big as other clubs, largely those with parachute payments, those that are getting wages must be available to earn said wages.[/p][/quote]Maybe the answer is in potential sell on value. WB is still in contract so worth something to us from another club. Sure there were one or two PL sides sniffing around in January. AO was out of contract so effectively worth sod all at this particular point in time. gilbertthecat
  • Score: 2

2:20pm Thu 15 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

gilbertthecat wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
CantUseNSCatWork wrote:
Of those released the one I'm most gutted to see go is Orlandi - on his day he is a class player. I think it may have been prudent to wait until we know who the new boss is going to be and have waited for his opinion on whether to keep him or not.

Of the others, Kuszczak I can understand being released as he didn't really seem to want to be here with all his premiership talk, and the rest, well fair enough I guess.
Oddly enough I am not surprised that Orlandi was not retained, in fact I am somewhat surprised that Buckley was transfer listed.
Whilst both players are very good on their day, the number of, 'days,' can't be relied on, in fact what we can rely on is that both of them are likely to be out for periods of the season with persistent injuries.
If our budget is not as big as other clubs, largely those with parachute payments, those that are getting wages must be available to earn said wages.
Maybe the answer is in potential sell on value. WB is still in contract so worth something to us from another club. Sure there were one or two PL sides sniffing around in January. AO was out of contract so effectively worth sod all at this particular point in time.
yes I agree, that's why I said, 'transfer listed,' as you correctly say, the others were out of contract or about to become so.
[quote][p][bold]gilbertthecat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CantUseNSCatWork[/bold] wrote: Of those released the one I'm most gutted to see go is Orlandi - on his day he is a class player. I think it may have been prudent to wait until we know who the new boss is going to be and have waited for his opinion on whether to keep him or not. Of the others, Kuszczak I can understand being released as he didn't really seem to want to be here with all his premiership talk, and the rest, well fair enough I guess.[/p][/quote]Oddly enough I am not surprised that Orlandi was not retained, in fact I am somewhat surprised that Buckley was transfer listed. Whilst both players are very good on their day, the number of, 'days,' can't be relied on, in fact what we can rely on is that both of them are likely to be out for periods of the season with persistent injuries. If our budget is not as big as other clubs, largely those with parachute payments, those that are getting wages must be available to earn said wages.[/p][/quote]Maybe the answer is in potential sell on value. WB is still in contract so worth something to us from another club. Sure there were one or two PL sides sniffing around in January. AO was out of contract so effectively worth sod all at this particular point in time.[/p][/quote]yes I agree, that's why I said, 'transfer listed,' as you correctly say, the others were out of contract or about to become so. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -3

2:30pm Thu 15 May 14

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

Regarding the poll above - silly game, none of those released are of any great surprise ?

I read some of the comments on here and have a good chuckle quite often but also wonder in amazement if a lot of the comments are written by people who actually watched the games?

If they did, I can't understand why Orlandi's departure would be any kind of shock. Even when fit, including last year, he, just like his pal Lopez, produce minor moments of class (about 3% of the time) and 97% of time was just missing in action. Whenever either of them played we looked like a team playing with a man sent off.

Both were top of my list for automatic release. Third was Clown Prince Brezovan, 4th was Augustien, and 5th Andrews. I for one feel its been a great week, clearing our the dead wood, I only hope it continues so that we can build wages surplus to pay a few that can be the reverse of Orlandi/Lopez, by being great 97% of the time and crap 3% of the time..
Regarding the poll above - silly game, none of those released are of any great surprise ? I read some of the comments on here and have a good chuckle quite often but also wonder in amazement if a lot of the comments are written by people who actually watched the games? If they did, I can't understand why Orlandi's departure would be any kind of shock. Even when fit, including last year, he, just like his pal Lopez, produce minor moments of class (about 3% of the time) and 97% of time was just missing in action. Whenever either of them played we looked like a team playing with a man sent off. Both were top of my list for automatic release. Third was Clown Prince Brezovan, 4th was Augustien, and 5th Andrews. I for one feel its been a great week, clearing our the dead wood, I only hope it continues so that we can build wages surplus to pay a few that can be the reverse of Orlandi/Lopez, by being great 97% of the time and crap 3% of the time.. PressBoxTeaBoy
  • Score: 0

3:46pm Thu 15 May 14

gilbertthecat says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Regarding the poll above - silly game, none of those released are of any great surprise ?

I read some of the comments on here and have a good chuckle quite often but also wonder in amazement if a lot of the comments are written by people who actually watched the games?

If they did, I can't understand why Orlandi's departure would be any kind of shock. Even when fit, including last year, he, just like his pal Lopez, produce minor moments of class (about 3% of the time) and 97% of time was just missing in action. Whenever either of them played we looked like a team playing with a man sent off.

Both were top of my list for automatic release. Third was Clown Prince Brezovan, 4th was Augustien, and 5th Andrews. I for one feel its been a great week, clearing our the dead wood, I only hope it continues so that we can build wages surplus to pay a few that can be the reverse of Orlandi/Lopez, by being great 97% of the time and crap 3% of the time..
PBTB agree with your last paragraph in that we need replacements who will perform more consistently. DL was very poor this season, somewhat better the season before. Same for AO but I think AO is just a better class. In as much as he hasn't shown that class too often I agree with you. That's my opinion. I don't deride you or others for your opinion whilst expressing my own. I go to games and form my own opinion. Just because someone else's opinion differs from yours doesn't mean the opinion holder doesn't go to games.

And in total agreement with you - bye bye PB, KA no.1 and (I pray) KA no.2 so that we can find better replacements again.
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Regarding the poll above - silly game, none of those released are of any great surprise ? I read some of the comments on here and have a good chuckle quite often but also wonder in amazement if a lot of the comments are written by people who actually watched the games? If they did, I can't understand why Orlandi's departure would be any kind of shock. Even when fit, including last year, he, just like his pal Lopez, produce minor moments of class (about 3% of the time) and 97% of time was just missing in action. Whenever either of them played we looked like a team playing with a man sent off. Both were top of my list for automatic release. Third was Clown Prince Brezovan, 4th was Augustien, and 5th Andrews. I for one feel its been a great week, clearing our the dead wood, I only hope it continues so that we can build wages surplus to pay a few that can be the reverse of Orlandi/Lopez, by being great 97% of the time and crap 3% of the time..[/p][/quote]PBTB agree with your last paragraph in that we need replacements who will perform more consistently. DL was very poor this season, somewhat better the season before. Same for AO but I think AO is just a better class. In as much as he hasn't shown that class too often I agree with you. That's my opinion. I don't deride you or others for your opinion whilst expressing my own. I go to games and form my own opinion. Just because someone else's opinion differs from yours doesn't mean the opinion holder doesn't go to games. And in total agreement with you - bye bye PB, KA no.1 and (I pray) KA no.2 so that we can find better replacements again. gilbertthecat
  • Score: 0

3:48pm Thu 15 May 14

dave from bexill says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Regarding the poll above - silly game, none of those released are of any great surprise ?

I read some of the comments on here and have a good chuckle quite often but also wonder in amazement if a lot of the comments are written by people who actually watched the games?

If they did, I can't understand why Orlandi's departure would be any kind of shock. Even when fit, including last year, he, just like his pal Lopez, produce minor moments of class (about 3% of the time) and 97% of time was just missing in action. Whenever either of them played we looked like a team playing with a man sent off.

Both were top of my list for automatic release. Third was Clown Prince Brezovan, 4th was Augustien, and 5th Andrews. I for one feel its been a great week, clearing our the dead wood, I only hope it continues so that we can build wages surplus to pay a few that can be the reverse of Orlandi/Lopez, by being great 97% of the time and crap 3% of the time..
You're entitled to your opinion as we all see things differently.
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Regarding the poll above - silly game, none of those released are of any great surprise ? I read some of the comments on here and have a good chuckle quite often but also wonder in amazement if a lot of the comments are written by people who actually watched the games? If they did, I can't understand why Orlandi's departure would be any kind of shock. Even when fit, including last year, he, just like his pal Lopez, produce minor moments of class (about 3% of the time) and 97% of time was just missing in action. Whenever either of them played we looked like a team playing with a man sent off. Both were top of my list for automatic release. Third was Clown Prince Brezovan, 4th was Augustien, and 5th Andrews. I for one feel its been a great week, clearing our the dead wood, I only hope it continues so that we can build wages surplus to pay a few that can be the reverse of Orlandi/Lopez, by being great 97% of the time and crap 3% of the time..[/p][/quote]You're entitled to your opinion as we all see things differently. dave from bexill
  • Score: -3

4:30pm Thu 15 May 14

Mancgulled says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
If Sherwood does become the new manager expect one of his first signings to be Brad Freidel. One of TK's bigges6 faults was his kicking - BF kicks go into the opposing penalty area.
Brad Freidal....Nice call and realistic chance of getting him I would think. Still very fit.
Been a good keeper in his time, but he's now 42.
Whatever his history of fitness, he's not one for me now I'm afraid. I can't see him being a mainstay for 46 matches.
Liking your thinking!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: If Sherwood does become the new manager expect one of his first signings to be Brad Freidel. One of TK's bigges6 faults was his kicking - BF kicks go into the opposing penalty area.[/p][/quote]Brad Freidal....Nice call and realistic chance of getting him I would think. Still very fit.[/p][/quote]Been a good keeper in his time, but he's now 42. Whatever his history of fitness, he's not one for me now I'm afraid. I can't see him being a mainstay for 46 matches.[/p][/quote]Liking your thinking! Mancgulled
  • Score: 0

4:41pm Thu 15 May 14

King Freeloader says...

twonk wrote:
You can't sign a player that had a couple of good games a season.
What an outstanding post and 100% correct.Lets see how many other clubs in England rush to sign him and Hoskins now lol haha ? The lies on this site about Hoskins being fighting fit and almost back to his best are almost out of control on this site some days.Start showing the same amount of love to great players like Ulloa that stayed on the pitch after the game with the Derby fans all around him.Apart from him and Calderon the rest just walked off to their long holidays.
[quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: You can't sign a player that had a couple of good games a season.[/p][/quote]What an outstanding post and 100% correct.Lets see how many other clubs in England rush to sign him and Hoskins now lol haha ? The lies on this site about Hoskins being fighting fit and almost back to his best are almost out of control on this site some days.Start showing the same amount of love to great players like Ulloa that stayed on the pitch after the game with the Derby fans all around him.Apart from him and Calderon the rest just walked off to their long holidays. King Freeloader
  • Score: -3

4:44pm Thu 15 May 14

King Freeloader says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
CantUseNSCatWork wrote:
Of those released the one I'm most gutted to see go is Orlandi - on his day he is a class player. I think it may have been prudent to wait until we know who the new boss is going to be and have waited for his opinion on whether to keep him or not.

Of the others, Kuszczak I can understand being released as he didn't really seem to want to be here with all his premiership talk, and the rest, well fair enough I guess.
Oddly enough I am not surprised that Orlandi was not retained, in fact I am somewhat surprised that Buckley was transfer listed.
Whilst both players are very good on their day, the number of, 'days,' can't be relied on, in fact what we can rely on is that both of them are likely to be out for periods of the season with persistent injuries.
If our budget is not as big as other clubs, largely those with parachute payments, those that are getting wages must be available to earn said wages.
One of your best posts Vegas.Outstanding words.Availabe to earn said wages.100% correct.Nice one.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CantUseNSCatWork[/bold] wrote: Of those released the one I'm most gutted to see go is Orlandi - on his day he is a class player. I think it may have been prudent to wait until we know who the new boss is going to be and have waited for his opinion on whether to keep him or not. Of the others, Kuszczak I can understand being released as he didn't really seem to want to be here with all his premiership talk, and the rest, well fair enough I guess.[/p][/quote]Oddly enough I am not surprised that Orlandi was not retained, in fact I am somewhat surprised that Buckley was transfer listed. Whilst both players are very good on their day, the number of, 'days,' can't be relied on, in fact what we can rely on is that both of them are likely to be out for periods of the season with persistent injuries. If our budget is not as big as other clubs, largely those with parachute payments, those that are getting wages must be available to earn said wages.[/p][/quote]One of your best posts Vegas.Outstanding words.Availabe to earn said wages.100% correct.Nice one. King Freeloader
  • Score: -3

5:33pm Thu 15 May 14

impose our game gull says...

Orlandi is too injury prone and we need less injuries. Games this season - confidence gone and set piece delivery poor. We don't have time to wait for everyone

UTA!!
Orlandi is too injury prone and we need less injuries. Games this season - confidence gone and set piece delivery poor. We don't have time to wait for everyone UTA!! impose our game gull
  • Score: 0

6:28pm Thu 15 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
"OG apparently had communication problems with DB and TB due to the language problem"

That is not what was said, it was just a "communication problem" as in perhaps being quiet, uncommunicative, difficult to get hold of perhaps- nothing to do with language.

Reading between the lines often results in seeing things that just don't exists anywhere ther than in your own head.
You can read it how you like, can't see a communication problem with the players who did a great job even with a thin squad..
As you,raised your head Arnie ,,
1) how many centre backs do we now need ? You stated OG had plans if we lost two to injury? I think you said Calderon would play there! That statement you made was a disaster in reality, dunk and ward were dragged all over the place!
2) TB would say there was a problem , he is not going to say we handled it badly, and are not about to change the set up!
3) are you confident the new manager will move the players around like chess pieces ! Another farcical statement when we could not live with Derby.
4) Leicester to bid 7 million for ulloa as I stated 3 months ago ( I think you said that was in my head too! Lol)
Can you assess your statement in November where you were confident that CMS and Hoskins would play a massive part in this season!
5) you told us all augustin would come good? When exactly is this going to happen?
Basically Arnie you play to the website backing the Albion to the hilt without a clue really what is going on..
For those that may say I am wrong! What would be our assessment if this farce was happening at palace, total mismanagement , let's not forget FFP will be our saviour ! You hang on every word from DB as though he knows something special.. Clubs will challenge that rule and it won't happen.
You cannot enforce a illegal agreement even if it's signed by all parties.
What the league want is to say how a company is run! Watch the challenges hit the fan this summer.
(1) We would have been fine with two defenders out injured. We had three defenders out injured so Calde had to cover right-back. Three is always going to be hard to manage, if only because you will never have four CB all good enough for the Champ if two are always going to be on the bench.
(2) Not a question
(3) Yes, the new manager may well move the players around like chess pieces. Or he may insist they never move more than five yards from their given position. Not sure of you point here? We could not live with Derby because they were playing very well and we had three defenders missing (see above).
(4) You're claiming something now you claimed three months ago, both times unverified. We can all continue to claim things, but unless it happens I'm not sure of your point. Will not comment unless it actually happens.
(4b) Hoskins didn't play, granted, but was it not CMS's last gasp cross that got us into the play-offs? If that's not "massive" then let me know what you think is.
(5) With a new manager Agustien may still well become good. It seems the problem between him and OG was personal as reports are that he's as fit as a butcher's dog right now. The difference is I offer my opinions as opinions, you generally offer yours as absolute facts.

Also: I never hang on anything DB says as AFAICT he rarely ever says anything in public. Do you actually mean TB? In which case yes, I am more inclined to believe him than you. And before you get on your high horse about being singled out, I will believe him more than many people on this website who have absolutely no insight whatsoever.

You have your opinion on FFP and I have mine, but think on this: if the Football League renege on the rules they open themselves up to lawsuits from those clubs which inhibited their dealings in order to comply. If you're going to get sued anyway, why go against your own plans, plans which are designed to stop clubs folding? The clubs are already being told how to run their clubs - that's what the rules of association are. If they don't like it they can always withdraw from competition.

Final thought: I may indeed back the club (truly amazing, it's ALMOST like I'm a real supporter!) but you do quite the opposite and always look on the downside - as many on here have accused you of recently. Which of us enjoys being a fan more - you with your constant negativity, or me with my positive outlook? It's not you.

Feel free to respond, but this thread is dead to me now and all future posts of yours will be ignored as I do with all the other trolls and WUMs who try to kick things off.
Lol your saying having three defenders injured was a one off? Three players covering 4 positions, we have three keepers covering on position , and keepers are less likely to get injured or booked than a defender..
As for your other stupid defences, are you not embarrassed ?
To say CMS has had a good half season when he has played a hour, not scored a goal , and you cling to the only thing ! One cross! Not bad for 1m wages since he last played!
Your seldom right , but wrong again!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: "OG apparently had communication problems with DB and TB due to the language problem" That is not what was said, it was just a "communication problem" as in perhaps being quiet, uncommunicative, difficult to get hold of perhaps- nothing to do with language. Reading between the lines often results in seeing things that just don't exists anywhere ther than in your own head.[/p][/quote]You can read it how you like, can't see a communication problem with the players who did a great job even with a thin squad.. As you,raised your head Arnie ,, 1) how many centre backs do we now need ? You stated OG had plans if we lost two to injury? I think you said Calderon would play there! That statement you made was a disaster in reality, dunk and ward were dragged all over the place! 2) TB would say there was a problem , he is not going to say we handled it badly, and are not about to change the set up! 3) are you confident the new manager will move the players around like chess pieces ! Another farcical statement when we could not live with Derby. 4) Leicester to bid 7 million for ulloa as I stated 3 months ago ( I think you said that was in my head too! Lol) Can you assess your statement in November where you were confident that CMS and Hoskins would play a massive part in this season! 5) you told us all augustin would come good? When exactly is this going to happen? Basically Arnie you play to the website backing the Albion to the hilt without a clue really what is going on.. For those that may say I am wrong! What would be our assessment if this farce was happening at palace, total mismanagement , let's not forget FFP will be our saviour ! You hang on every word from DB as though he knows something special.. Clubs will challenge that rule and it won't happen. You cannot enforce a illegal agreement even if it's signed by all parties. What the league want is to say how a company is run! Watch the challenges hit the fan this summer.[/p][/quote](1) We would have been fine with two defenders out injured. We had three defenders out injured so Calde had to cover right-back. Three is always going to be hard to manage, if only because you will never have four CB all good enough for the Champ if two are always going to be on the bench. (2) Not a question (3) Yes, the new manager may well move the players around like chess pieces. Or he may insist they never move more than five yards from their given position. Not sure of you point here? We could not live with Derby because they were playing very well and we had three defenders missing (see above). (4) You're claiming something now you claimed three months ago, both times unverified. We can all continue to claim things, but unless it happens I'm not sure of your point. Will not comment unless it actually happens. (4b) Hoskins didn't play, granted, but was it not CMS's last gasp cross that got us into the play-offs? If that's not "massive" then let me know what you think is. (5) With a new manager Agustien may still well become good. It seems the problem between him and OG was personal as reports are that he's as fit as a butcher's dog right now. The difference is I offer my opinions as opinions, you generally offer yours as absolute facts. Also: I never hang on anything DB says as AFAICT he rarely ever says anything in public. Do you actually mean TB? In which case yes, I am more inclined to believe him than you. And before you get on your high horse about being singled out, I will believe him more than many people on this website who have absolutely no insight whatsoever. You have your opinion on FFP and I have mine, but think on this: if the Football League renege on the rules they open themselves up to lawsuits from those clubs which inhibited their dealings in order to comply. If you're going to get sued anyway, why go against your own plans, plans which are designed to stop clubs folding? The clubs are already being told how to run their clubs - that's what the rules of association are. If they don't like it they can always withdraw from competition. Final thought: I may indeed back the club (truly amazing, it's ALMOST like I'm a real supporter!) but you do quite the opposite and always look on the downside - as many on here have accused you of recently. Which of us enjoys being a fan more - you with your constant negativity, or me with my positive outlook? It's not you. Feel free to respond, but this thread is dead to me now and all future posts of yours will be ignored as I do with all the other trolls and WUMs who try to kick things off.[/p][/quote]Lol your saying having three defenders injured was a one off? Three players covering 4 positions, we have three keepers covering on position , and keepers are less likely to get injured or booked than a defender.. As for your other stupid defences, are you not embarrassed ? To say CMS has had a good half season when he has played a hour, not scored a goal , and you cling to the only thing ! One cross! Not bad for 1m wages since he last played! Your seldom right , but wrong again! mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

6:38pm Thu 15 May 14

Withdean-er says...

Why is anyone shocked about Kuzschak?

In Argus and fans forums like northstandchat, it was made abundantly clear by knowledgeable fans that under FFP he would be off this Summer as we couldn't afford his wages anymore.

Shame, as he's a great goalie. The odd mistake, but one of the best keepers we've ever had.
Why is anyone shocked about Kuzschak? In Argus and fans forums like northstandchat, it was made abundantly clear by knowledgeable fans that under FFP he would be off this Summer as we couldn't afford his wages anymore. Shame, as he's a great goalie. The odd mistake, but one of the best keepers we've ever had. Withdean-er
  • Score: 3

10:20pm Thu 15 May 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

I felt Andrea's comments on sky were extremly heartfelt, his comments regarding the city and the people were a nice touch, not sure if he was signalling that he might be open to reduced terms , anyway he will be missed if not, good pro some nice touches some memorable goals, all the best Andrea! Adios !
I felt Andrea's comments on sky were extremly heartfelt, his comments regarding the city and the people were a nice touch, not sure if he was signalling that he might be open to reduced terms , anyway he will be missed if not, good pro some nice touches some memorable goals, all the best Andrea! Adios ! Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: 0

11:15pm Thu 15 May 14

sussexram40 says...

Not sad to see the flapper/puncher TK going. Never rated him.
Not sad to see the flapper/puncher TK going. Never rated him. sussexram40
  • Score: -2

12:52am Fri 16 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VEGAS..... You told us With certainty Grabban was just using the Albion to better his existing deal and never wanted to really leave Bournemouth, are you still sticking to that one?
yeah, why not?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: VEGAS..... You told us With certainty Grabban was just using the Albion to better his existing deal and never wanted to really leave Bournemouth, are you still sticking to that one?[/p][/quote]yeah, why not? VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

12:57am Fri 16 May 14

Vince says...

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
I felt Andrea's comments on sky were extremly heartfelt, his comments regarding the city and the people were a nice touch, not sure if he was signalling that he might be open to reduced terms , anyway he will be missed if not, good pro some nice touches some memorable goals, all the best Andrea! Adios !
Orlandi was the most gifted "FOOTBALL" player we had. His close control and speed of thought was far greater than the sum total of football "brains" of Nathan Jones and the suits put together.
If we are retaining players like Andrews who's passing and vision is Conference class and getting rid of Andrea - then we are going backwards not forwards in my opinion.
Lopez I never liked and was disappointed he was signed on for another year.
Hoskins was gifted but will never be given the chance. Kuszac was an excellent keeper - but prone to panic on the big occasions. Brezovan was always a non-starter.

Grabban sold for £3m (cost nothing) - Bournemouth under Howe always buy cheap and sell big. The irony is that Danny Ings probably worth about £15m - was bought by Howe for Burnley when he was their manager for a meagre £2m FROM Bournemouth!
Conway was class - but why we never signed him has not been disclosed. No doubt another budgetary reason.

Sometimes in football it pays to speculate to accumulate. Imagine if the suits had been around to tell Micky Adams that £100,000 was too much to pay for Zamora from Bristol Rovers! He was a massive reason we had 2 successive promotions - which brought us in a large amount of revenue
and we sold him for £1.5m. Bristol Rovers had a sell-on clause so got a fair bit of that money. We had a sell-on clause for Zamora when we sold him but never got a penny from Spurs when they sold him to West-Ham - as he was part of a 2-player exchange deal - and they conveniently (for them) valued him at nothing to avoid paying any money to us. Another example of a football con and Brighton being stitched-up!
I tend to agree that all this FFP adherence will have been a waste of time in terms of Brighton gaining a big advantage over the over-spenders in terms of them being heavily penalised. Big fines are likely to be circumvented by legal loopholes - and the likes of QPR, Blackburn and Forest will get away with derisory punishments.

Back to Orlandi. Thanks for the memories of some superb football skills under Gus Poyet. You were a star member of the team which nearly won promotion under Gus - until he got strops with TB and the suits - and virtually handed the game to Palace.
It's a mystery why the headless chickens who run this club don't value you. i am not surprised that they did the dirty on you - as it came as a complete surprise to you. You are better off out of this club - which is carrying out it's business without oppenness and transparency. No manager worth his salt would allow himself to be dictated to by others - when it comes to transfers. Typical of the way the money men think they are in control.

No! The one's in control are the fans - because it is they who keep the club going. No fans - no club. Simple!

I am getting very disillusioned by the internal "politics" at the AMEX.
[quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: I felt Andrea's comments on sky were extremly heartfelt, his comments regarding the city and the people were a nice touch, not sure if he was signalling that he might be open to reduced terms , anyway he will be missed if not, good pro some nice touches some memorable goals, all the best Andrea! Adios ![/p][/quote]Orlandi was the most gifted "FOOTBALL" player we had. His close control and speed of thought was far greater than the sum total of football "brains" of Nathan Jones and the suits put together. If we are retaining players like Andrews who's passing and vision is Conference class and getting rid of Andrea - then we are going backwards not forwards in my opinion. Lopez I never liked and was disappointed he was signed on for another year. Hoskins was gifted but will never be given the chance. Kuszac was an excellent keeper - but prone to panic on the big occasions. Brezovan was always a non-starter. Grabban sold for £3m (cost nothing) - Bournemouth under Howe always buy cheap and sell big. The irony is that Danny Ings probably worth about £15m - was bought by Howe for Burnley when he was their manager for a meagre £2m FROM Bournemouth! Conway was class - but why we never signed him has not been disclosed. No doubt another budgetary reason. Sometimes in football it pays to speculate to accumulate. Imagine if the suits had been around to tell Micky Adams that £100,000 was too much to pay for Zamora from Bristol Rovers! He was a massive reason we had 2 successive promotions - which brought us in a large amount of revenue and we sold him for £1.5m. Bristol Rovers had a sell-on clause so got a fair bit of that money. We had a sell-on clause for Zamora when we sold him but never got a penny from Spurs when they sold him to West-Ham - as he was part of a 2-player exchange deal - and they conveniently (for them) valued him at nothing to avoid paying any money to us. Another example of a football con and Brighton being stitched-up! I tend to agree that all this FFP adherence will have been a waste of time in terms of Brighton gaining a big advantage over the over-spenders in terms of them being heavily penalised. Big fines are likely to be circumvented by legal loopholes - and the likes of QPR, Blackburn and Forest will get away with derisory punishments. Back to Orlandi. Thanks for the memories of some superb football skills under Gus Poyet. You were a star member of the team which nearly won promotion under Gus - until he got strops with TB and the suits - and virtually handed the game to Palace. It's a mystery why the headless chickens who run this club don't value you. i am not surprised that they did the dirty on you - as it came as a complete surprise to you. You are better off out of this club - which is carrying out it's business without oppenness and transparency. No manager worth his salt would allow himself to be dictated to by others - when it comes to transfers. Typical of the way the money men think they are in control. No! The one's in control are the fans - because it is they who keep the club going. No fans - no club. Simple! I am getting very disillusioned by the internal "politics" at the AMEX. Vince
  • Score: 5

3:38am Fri 16 May 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

Vince wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
I felt Andrea's comments on sky were extremly heartfelt, his comments regarding the city and the people were a nice touch, not sure if he was signalling that he might be open to reduced terms , anyway he will be missed if not, good pro some nice touches some memorable goals, all the best Andrea! Adios !
Orlandi was the most gifted "FOOTBALL" player we had. His close control and speed of thought was far greater than the sum total of football "brains" of Nathan Jones and the suits put together.
If we are retaining players like Andrews who's passing and vision is Conference class and getting rid of Andrea - then we are going backwards not forwards in my opinion.
Lopez I never liked and was disappointed he was signed on for another year.
Hoskins was gifted but will never be given the chance. Kuszac was an excellent keeper - but prone to panic on the big occasions. Brezovan was always a non-starter.

Grabban sold for £3m (cost nothing) - Bournemouth under Howe always buy cheap and sell big. The irony is that Danny Ings probably worth about £15m - was bought by Howe for Burnley when he was their manager for a meagre £2m FROM Bournemouth!
Conway was class - but why we never signed him has not been disclosed. No doubt another budgetary reason.

Sometimes in football it pays to speculate to accumulate. Imagine if the suits had been around to tell Micky Adams that £100,000 was too much to pay for Zamora from Bristol Rovers! He was a massive reason we had 2 successive promotions - which brought us in a large amount of revenue
and we sold him for £1.5m. Bristol Rovers had a sell-on clause so got a fair bit of that money. We had a sell-on clause for Zamora when we sold him but never got a penny from Spurs when they sold him to West-Ham - as he was part of a 2-player exchange deal - and they conveniently (for them) valued him at nothing to avoid paying any money to us. Another example of a football con and Brighton being stitched-up!
I tend to agree that all this FFP adherence will have been a waste of time in terms of Brighton gaining a big advantage over the over-spenders in terms of them being heavily penalised. Big fines are likely to be circumvented by legal loopholes - and the likes of QPR, Blackburn and Forest will get away with derisory punishments.

Back to Orlandi. Thanks for the memories of some superb football skills under Gus Poyet. You were a star member of the team which nearly won promotion under Gus - until he got strops with TB and the suits - and virtually handed the game to Palace.
It's a mystery why the headless chickens who run this club don't value you. i am not surprised that they did the dirty on you - as it came as a complete surprise to you. You are better off out of this club - which is carrying out it's business without oppenness and transparency. No manager worth his salt would allow himself to be dictated to by others - when it comes to transfers. Typical of the way the money men think they are in control.

No! The one's in control are the fans - because it is they who keep the club going. No fans - no club. Simple!

I am getting very disillusioned by the internal "politics" at the AMEX.
I do see your point, but you have to look at other statmentes by Andrea made that point to a rift either in the club or between him and the club, he had a problem with the club Doctors and physiosthrapists with regard to his recovery from injurys is much as I do like about the guy, he may have been disruptive? We will never know, maybe the door is open maybe it is closed to him, we will never know, we just have to trust in the people in the club and TB's leadership I just find it so difficult to be confident when Barber is there with his spin, for example at the beginning of last year we were told the player Budget for Oscar would be the same as Gus had, yet just a week before the end of the season oscar in an interview was quoted as saying we achived despite being the only club to have a reduced budget, more evidence of not just spin by the chief executive but what at worse a lie at best mis information
I am sorry but more and more poor managment appears to be a possibility that we have a problem in our senior managment communication with the fans, apparently people fans were consulted re benetts field car park and the changes that have been adopted, I have asked at least 50 people who park there were you consulted no not a one maybe I just got lucky or possibly guilty of spin.
Were I to be making the decisions unless Andrea had injury problems I would be talking to him,.
Would Seattle have Barber back if he were available, mmmmnmnn now there poses a question!
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: I felt Andrea's comments on sky were extremly heartfelt, his comments regarding the city and the people were a nice touch, not sure if he was signalling that he might be open to reduced terms , anyway he will be missed if not, good pro some nice touches some memorable goals, all the best Andrea! Adios ![/p][/quote]Orlandi was the most gifted "FOOTBALL" player we had. His close control and speed of thought was far greater than the sum total of football "brains" of Nathan Jones and the suits put together. If we are retaining players like Andrews who's passing and vision is Conference class and getting rid of Andrea - then we are going backwards not forwards in my opinion. Lopez I never liked and was disappointed he was signed on for another year. Hoskins was gifted but will never be given the chance. Kuszac was an excellent keeper - but prone to panic on the big occasions. Brezovan was always a non-starter. Grabban sold for £3m (cost nothing) - Bournemouth under Howe always buy cheap and sell big. The irony is that Danny Ings probably worth about £15m - was bought by Howe for Burnley when he was their manager for a meagre £2m FROM Bournemouth! Conway was class - but why we never signed him has not been disclosed. No doubt another budgetary reason. Sometimes in football it pays to speculate to accumulate. Imagine if the suits had been around to tell Micky Adams that £100,000 was too much to pay for Zamora from Bristol Rovers! He was a massive reason we had 2 successive promotions - which brought us in a large amount of revenue and we sold him for £1.5m. Bristol Rovers had a sell-on clause so got a fair bit of that money. We had a sell-on clause for Zamora when we sold him but never got a penny from Spurs when they sold him to West-Ham - as he was part of a 2-player exchange deal - and they conveniently (for them) valued him at nothing to avoid paying any money to us. Another example of a football con and Brighton being stitched-up! I tend to agree that all this FFP adherence will have been a waste of time in terms of Brighton gaining a big advantage over the over-spenders in terms of them being heavily penalised. Big fines are likely to be circumvented by legal loopholes - and the likes of QPR, Blackburn and Forest will get away with derisory punishments. Back to Orlandi. Thanks for the memories of some superb football skills under Gus Poyet. You were a star member of the team which nearly won promotion under Gus - until he got strops with TB and the suits - and virtually handed the game to Palace. It's a mystery why the headless chickens who run this club don't value you. i am not surprised that they did the dirty on you - as it came as a complete surprise to you. You are better off out of this club - which is carrying out it's business without oppenness and transparency. No manager worth his salt would allow himself to be dictated to by others - when it comes to transfers. Typical of the way the money men think they are in control. No! The one's in control are the fans - because it is they who keep the club going. No fans - no club. Simple! I am getting very disillusioned by the internal "politics" at the AMEX.[/p][/quote]I do see your point, but you have to look at other statmentes by Andrea made that point to a rift either in the club or between him and the club, he had a problem with the club Doctors and physiosthrapists with regard to his recovery from injurys is much as I do like about the guy, he may have been disruptive? We will never know, maybe the door is open maybe it is closed to him, we will never know, we just have to trust in the people in the club and TB's leadership I just find it so difficult to be confident when Barber is there with his spin, for example at the beginning of last year we were told the player Budget for Oscar would be the same as Gus had, yet just a week before the end of the season oscar in an interview was quoted as saying we achived despite being the only club to have a reduced budget, more evidence of not just spin by the chief executive but what at worse a lie at best mis information I am sorry but more and more poor managment appears to be a possibility that we have a problem in our senior managment communication with the fans, apparently people fans were consulted re benetts field car park and the changes that have been adopted, I have asked at least 50 people who park there were you consulted no not a one maybe I just got lucky or possibly guilty of spin. Were I to be making the decisions unless Andrea had injury problems I would be talking to him,. Would Seattle have Barber back if he were available, mmmmnmnn now there poses a question! Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: -2

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