Mackay distances himself from Albion vacancy

Malky Mackay's agent has played down the chances of the former Cardiff boss becoming Albion manager

Malky Mackay's agent has played down the chances of the former Cardiff boss becoming Albion manager

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Former Cardiff boss Malky Mackay has distanced himself from the vacant job as Albion manager.

But Real Madrid coach Paul Clement has attracted support in betting markets as the Seagulls assess their options to replace Oscar Garcia.

Tim Sherwood last night remained the bookies’ favourite to take over at the Amex with Clement and Mackay also being backed.

Mackay recently concluded a legal process with his former chairman at Cardiff City, Vincent Tan, and is free to take a new job.

But the Scotsman’s agent Raymond Sparkes has played down any chance of his client – who took Cardiff to the Premier League little more than a year ago – joining the Seagulls.

Sparkes told The Argus. “I’m aware it is an opening that has become available and for many people it would be a very attractive job.

“I’m full of admiration for the attraction of that club but we are actively involved in a couple of things – and they are not Brighton.”

The Argus understands Real Madrid value the tactical input of Clement, who works as one of Carlo Ancelotti’s trusted assistants, and would encourage him to try his hand as a manager in his own right if the right opportunity arose.

Clement previously worked with Ancelotti at Chelsea and Paris-St Germain and a source close to Madrid said his next logical step would be to secure a position as manager.

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5:47am Fri 16 May 14

cheese rolls ! says...

Howe or Clement please
Howe or Clement please cheese rolls !
  • Score: -16

5:53am Fri 16 May 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Well McKay looks unlikely then. Does the Argus know more than it can currently print with regards the likelihood of Clement being appointed or are they just hedging their bets? I wonder. For me at least Sherwood is a good fit with what we currently need - ambitious, strong, great coach and developer of youngsters, excellent contacts and well versed with the challenges of English football... plus I believe quite fluent in the English language!! I believe he would get the best out o many of our remaining squad and add some good names to it. He could dispose of Nathan Jones and look to IC as translator and trainee assistant. (A few more pounds saved).

If TB wants him he'd better move things along now as he will be the top of many other club's list as well!!

Bring it on. UTA!!
Well McKay looks unlikely then. Does the Argus know more than it can currently print with regards the likelihood of Clement being appointed or are they just hedging their bets? I wonder. For me at least Sherwood is a good fit with what we currently need - ambitious, strong, great coach and developer of youngsters, excellent contacts and well versed with the challenges of English football... plus I believe quite fluent in the English language!! I believe he would get the best out o many of our remaining squad and add some good names to it. He could dispose of Nathan Jones and look to IC as translator and trainee assistant. (A few more pounds saved). If TB wants him he'd better move things along now as he will be the top of many other club's list as well!! Bring it on. UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 7

6:35am Fri 16 May 14

albionbloke says...

Clement: More of a 'coach' it seems but don't we really need a 'Manager' in the traditional sense? Not sure if Clement would fit the bill. Yes, he may have some contacts in Spain but aren't we a little tired of the Spanish experiment at BHA? Having said that, if he was selected and did the job, then I'd be happy.

Still have TS as top of my wish-list but I feel it may be a stretch to get him, reckon he'll have more than one PL offer to mull over. As Vegas said on another thread, if he is top of TBs shortlist, then try to nail him down now. One more week and I think our options will be thinned out.
Clement: More of a 'coach' it seems but don't we really need a 'Manager' in the traditional sense? Not sure if Clement would fit the bill. Yes, he may have some contacts in Spain but aren't we a little tired of the Spanish experiment at BHA? Having said that, if he was selected and did the job, then I'd be happy. Still have TS as top of my wish-list but I feel it may be a stretch to get him, reckon he'll have more than one PL offer to mull over. As Vegas said on another thread, if he is top of TBs shortlist, then try to nail him down now. One more week and I think our options will be thinned out. albionbloke
  • Score: 5

6:35am Fri 16 May 14

Alfie T says...

cheese rolls ! wrote:
Howe or Clement please
Howe would be a great choice, but he's committed to Bournemouth, I wouldn't be surprised if he's thought about it though. Don't know enough about Clement, would TB want another rookie in charge?

The financial reward of Premiership football is life changing, we need to get there sooner rather than later, Sherwood for me, young,ambitious and well connected.
[quote][p][bold]cheese rolls ![/bold] wrote: Howe or Clement please[/p][/quote]Howe would be a great choice, but he's committed to Bournemouth, I wouldn't be surprised if he's thought about it though. Don't know enough about Clement, would TB want another rookie in charge? The financial reward of Premiership football is life changing, we need to get there sooner rather than later, Sherwood for me, young,ambitious and well connected. Alfie T
  • Score: 9

6:37am Fri 16 May 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

Preference in this order:
Howe
Sherwood
Paul Clement's name has been bandied about but I know nothing about him and have never heard of him.I am not saying he should not be considered but I had to go to Wikipedia to clue up on him.
Preference in this order: Howe Sherwood Paul Clement's name has been bandied about but I know nothing about him and have never heard of him.I am not saying he should not be considered but I had to go to Wikipedia to clue up on him. SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: -5

6:47am Fri 16 May 14

MHubbs says...

Paul, may mean another experimental year of a coach getting used to championship football. That would be my concern with him.

The question is who wants to come in with the heavy constraints of working with our board. Not many top guys I reakon.
Paul, may mean another experimental year of a coach getting used to championship football. That would be my concern with him. The question is who wants to come in with the heavy constraints of working with our board. Not many top guys I reakon. MHubbs
  • Score: 7

7:03am Fri 16 May 14

Alfie T says...

MHubbs wrote:
Paul, may mean another experimental year of a coach getting used to championship football. That would be my concern with him.

The question is who wants to come in with the heavy constraints of working with our board. Not many top guys I reakon.
Cardiff city earned £62 million finishing bottom of the Premiership, that's more money than United earned as champions in the 2012-2013 season. Bloom has not amassed his fortune without some astute business decisions, changes at board level will come I'm certain of that. Albions next managerial appointment could be one of the most important decisions of his life.
[quote][p][bold]MHubbs[/bold] wrote: Paul, may mean another experimental year of a coach getting used to championship football. That would be my concern with him. The question is who wants to come in with the heavy constraints of working with our board. Not many top guys I reakon.[/p][/quote]Cardiff city earned £62 million finishing bottom of the Premiership, that's more money than United earned as champions in the 2012-2013 season. Bloom has not amassed his fortune without some astute business decisions, changes at board level will come I'm certain of that. Albions next managerial appointment could be one of the most important decisions of his life. Alfie T
  • Score: 9

7:24am Fri 16 May 14

i luv my dog says...

British, tries and tested please.
British, tries and tested please. i luv my dog
  • Score: -12

7:26am Fri 16 May 14

i luv my dog says...

British, tried and tested please.
British, tried and tested please. i luv my dog
  • Score: -7

7:36am Fri 16 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Alfie T wrote:
MHubbs wrote:
Paul, may mean another experimental year of a coach getting used to championship football. That would be my concern with him.

The question is who wants to come in with the heavy constraints of working with our board. Not many top guys I reakon.
Cardiff city earned £62 million finishing bottom of the Premiership, that's more money than United earned as champions in the 2012-2013 season. Bloom has not amassed his fortune without some astute business decisions, changes at board level will come I'm certain of that. Albions next managerial appointment could be one of the most important decisions of his life.
Exactly my point, we keep hearing about FFP , but unless you spend or you get good players cheap ( Barnes to Burnley ) your not going anywhere.
I also think the fact OG has gone has not really allowed the real facts of the season to be debated more..
1) squad really thin in quality
2) lack of creativity
3) football for 75% of home games was appalling ( check our results and goals scored)
4) we have one goal scorer , CMS has 12 months on his contract now and at 1m a year needs to deliver.
5) we need to somehow spend some money! If we seriously think we are going to find a striker at the right age for pennies when jones is sorting out the existing squad won't happen,
TB needs to give his manager 10 million plus for his new players, some of that will come from wages saved by the release of the 6-7 gone,
6) we need a powerhouse defender, upson is carrying various injuries and may be on the edge so to speak.
7) the club needs to appoint ASAP a manager capable of delivering in the championship, sherwood for me is the best of the avaiable, but he may be waiting for big Sam to go , or the west brom job.
We can't have 4-6 weeks of waiting again .
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MHubbs[/bold] wrote: Paul, may mean another experimental year of a coach getting used to championship football. That would be my concern with him. The question is who wants to come in with the heavy constraints of working with our board. Not many top guys I reakon.[/p][/quote]Cardiff city earned £62 million finishing bottom of the Premiership, that's more money than United earned as champions in the 2012-2013 season. Bloom has not amassed his fortune without some astute business decisions, changes at board level will come I'm certain of that. Albions next managerial appointment could be one of the most important decisions of his life.[/p][/quote]Exactly my point, we keep hearing about FFP , but unless you spend or you get good players cheap ( Barnes to Burnley ) your not going anywhere. I also think the fact OG has gone has not really allowed the real facts of the season to be debated more.. 1) squad really thin in quality 2) lack of creativity 3) football for 75% of home games was appalling ( check our results and goals scored) 4) we have one goal scorer , CMS has 12 months on his contract now and at 1m a year needs to deliver. 5) we need to somehow spend some money! If we seriously think we are going to find a striker at the right age for pennies when jones is sorting out the existing squad won't happen, TB needs to give his manager 10 million plus for his new players, some of that will come from wages saved by the release of the 6-7 gone, 6) we need a powerhouse defender, upson is carrying various injuries and may be on the edge so to speak. 7) the club needs to appoint ASAP a manager capable of delivering in the championship, sherwood for me is the best of the avaiable, but he may be waiting for big Sam to go , or the west brom job. We can't have 4-6 weeks of waiting again . mark by the sea
  • Score: 23

8:08am Fri 16 May 14

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

McDermott's tenure at Leeds looks to be very wobbly again, so he could suddenly be on the list of possibilities.
McDermott's tenure at Leeds looks to be very wobbly again, so he could suddenly be on the list of possibilities. Willie, Willie Irvine
  • Score: -39

8:25am Fri 16 May 14

Towner83 says...

Please not Clement! No offence to the guy, I'm sure he's a great coach & will be a good manager but we need someone who knows the league.
Please not Clement! No offence to the guy, I'm sure he's a great coach & will be a good manager but we need someone who knows the league. Towner83
  • Score: 6

8:33am Fri 16 May 14

Alfie T says...

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:
McDermott's tenure at Leeds looks to be very wobbly again, so he could suddenly be on the list of possibilities.
Always liked your sense of humour...
[quote][p][bold]Willie, Willie Irvine[/bold] wrote: McDermott's tenure at Leeds looks to be very wobbly again, so he could suddenly be on the list of possibilities.[/p][/quote]Always liked your sense of humour... Alfie T
  • Score: 13

8:45am Fri 16 May 14

Neville says...

If you listen to TB interview he mentions unproven coaches etc have applied and I just think if TS is the nailed on favourite we would have made an immediate move for him,I also think good as he would be it would be another short step before he wanted to manage in the Premiership.
With our style of play throughout the squads and the Academy I am coming to the conclusion that Paul Clement will be offered the position,must admit I know little about him.
If you listen to TB interview he mentions unproven coaches etc have applied and I just think if TS is the nailed on favourite we would have made an immediate move for him,I also think good as he would be it would be another short step before he wanted to manage in the Premiership. With our style of play throughout the squads and the Academy I am coming to the conclusion that Paul Clement will be offered the position,must admit I know little about him. Neville
  • Score: 7

8:50am Fri 16 May 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

mark by the sea says...


Alfie T wrote:

MHubbs wrote:
Paul, may mean another experimental year of a coach getting used to championship football. That would be my concern with him.

The question is who wants to come in with the heavy constraints of working with our board. Not many top guys I reakon.
Cardiff city earned £62 million finishing bottom of the Premiership, that's more money than United earned as champions in the 2012-2013 season. Bloom has not amassed his fortune without some astute business decisions, changes at board level will come I'm certain of that. Albions next managerial appointment could be one of the most important decisions of his life.Exactly my point, we keep hearing about FFP , but unless you spend or you get good players cheap ( Barnes to Burnley ) your not going anywhere.
I also think the fact OG has gone has not really allowed the real facts of the season to be debated more..
1) squad really thin in quality
2) lack of creativity
3) football for 75% of home games was appalling ( check our results and goals scored)
4) we have one goal scorer , CMS has 12 months on his contract now and at 1m a year needs to deliver.
5) we need to somehow spend some money! If we seriously think we are going to find a striker at the right age for pennies when jones is sorting out the existing squad won't happen,
TB needs to give his manager 10 million plus for his new players, some of that will come from wages saved by the release of the 6-7 gone,
6) we need a powerhouse defender, upson is carrying various injuries and may be on the edge so to speak.
7) the club needs to appoint ASAP a manager capable of delivering in the championship, sherwood for me is the best of the avaiable, but he may be waiting for big Sam to go , or the west brom job.
We can't have 4-6 weeks of waiting again .

10 million for new players? In your dreams only. The club will be looking for players like Stephens from lower league clubs and out of contract players from abroad. The days of big money signings are over. You have a bad habit of spending other people's money for them.
I certainly agree with your view that we need a powerhouse defender. Upson and Greer are way past their best and I am amazed that the club has offered both new deals. Also agree that the situation needs to be resolved quickly. The new man needs a full pre-season to prepare for next seaon - not the few weeks OG got.
mark by the sea says... Alfie T wrote: MHubbs wrote: Paul, may mean another experimental year of a coach getting used to championship football. That would be my concern with him. The question is who wants to come in with the heavy constraints of working with our board. Not many top guys I reakon. Cardiff city earned £62 million finishing bottom of the Premiership, that's more money than United earned as champions in the 2012-2013 season. Bloom has not amassed his fortune without some astute business decisions, changes at board level will come I'm certain of that. Albions next managerial appointment could be one of the most important decisions of his life.Exactly my point, we keep hearing about FFP , but unless you spend or you get good players cheap ( Barnes to Burnley ) your not going anywhere. I also think the fact OG has gone has not really allowed the real facts of the season to be debated more.. 1) squad really thin in quality 2) lack of creativity 3) football for 75% of home games was appalling ( check our results and goals scored) 4) we have one goal scorer , CMS has 12 months on his contract now and at 1m a year needs to deliver. 5) we need to somehow spend some money! If we seriously think we are going to find a striker at the right age for pennies when jones is sorting out the existing squad won't happen, TB needs to give his manager 10 million plus for his new players, some of that will come from wages saved by the release of the 6-7 gone, 6) we need a powerhouse defender, upson is carrying various injuries and may be on the edge so to speak. 7) the club needs to appoint ASAP a manager capable of delivering in the championship, sherwood for me is the best of the avaiable, but he may be waiting for big Sam to go , or the west brom job. We can't have 4-6 weeks of waiting again . 10 million for new players? In your dreams only. The club will be looking for players like Stephens from lower league clubs and out of contract players from abroad. The days of big money signings are over. You have a bad habit of spending other people's money for them. I certainly agree with your view that we need a powerhouse defender. Upson and Greer are way past their best and I am amazed that the club has offered both new deals. Also agree that the situation needs to be resolved quickly. The new man needs a full pre-season to prepare for next seaon - not the few weeks OG got. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 19

8:52am Fri 16 May 14

JollyRoger says...

Towner83 wrote:
Please not Clement! No offence to the guy, I'm sure he's a great coach & will be a good manager but we need someone who knows the league.
Completely agree. The suits say they want a manager so another coach is not what we need. We can't spend another season waiting for a coach to get up to speed with the English game, the Championship and what it will take to get promoted.
[quote][p][bold]Towner83[/bold] wrote: Please not Clement! No offence to the guy, I'm sure he's a great coach & will be a good manager but we need someone who knows the league.[/p][/quote]Completely agree. The suits say they want a manager so another coach is not what we need. We can't spend another season waiting for a coach to get up to speed with the English game, the Championship and what it will take to get promoted. JollyRoger
  • Score: 3

9:01am Fri 16 May 14

mark by the sea says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
mark by the sea says...


Alfie T wrote:

MHubbs wrote:
Paul, may mean another experimental year of a coach getting used to championship football. That would be my concern with him.

The question is who wants to come in with the heavy constraints of working with our board. Not many top guys I reakon.
Cardiff city earned £62 million finishing bottom of the Premiership, that's more money than United earned as champions in the 2012-2013 season. Bloom has not amassed his fortune without some astute business decisions, changes at board level will come I'm certain of that. Albions next managerial appointment could be one of the most important decisions of his life.Exactly my point, we keep hearing about FFP , but unless you spend or you get good players cheap ( Barnes to Burnley ) your not going anywhere.
I also think the fact OG has gone has not really allowed the real facts of the season to be debated more..
1) squad really thin in quality
2) lack of creativity
3) football for 75% of home games was appalling ( check our results and goals scored)
4) we have one goal scorer , CMS has 12 months on his contract now and at 1m a year needs to deliver.
5) we need to somehow spend some money! If we seriously think we are going to find a striker at the right age for pennies when jones is sorting out the existing squad won't happen,
TB needs to give his manager 10 million plus for his new players, some of that will come from wages saved by the release of the 6-7 gone,
6) we need a powerhouse defender, upson is carrying various injuries and may be on the edge so to speak.
7) the club needs to appoint ASAP a manager capable of delivering in the championship, sherwood for me is the best of the avaiable, but he may be waiting for big Sam to go , or the west brom job.
We can't have 4-6 weeks of waiting again .

10 million for new players? In your dreams only. The club will be looking for players like Stephens from lower league clubs and out of contract players from abroad. The days of big money signings are over. You have a bad habit of spending other people's money for them.
I certainly agree with your view that we need a powerhouse defender. Upson and Greer are way past their best and I am amazed that the club has offered both new deals. Also agree that the situation needs to be resolved quickly. The new man needs a full pre-season to prepare for next seaon - not the few weeks OG got.
Ha ha , do you think out of contract players come free?
Even loans carry a figure, IE Palace paid 1m loan fee to Blackpool for him,
Players and agents want moving/ welcome/ fees,
We signed augustin on a two year deal , he was free ! And at around 10k a week will cost a cool million in wages ! That's a bargain eh?
You seem to accept we have a ceiling which is being mid table .
Quality players cost money or big wages, forget FFP , that will only affect the journeymen , good players like Grabban will cost 3 million, shame we did not push the boat out in jan and snapped him up for the 1m .. Bournemouth must be laughing all the way to the bank!
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: mark by the sea says... Alfie T wrote: MHubbs wrote: Paul, may mean another experimental year of a coach getting used to championship football. That would be my concern with him. The question is who wants to come in with the heavy constraints of working with our board. Not many top guys I reakon. Cardiff city earned £62 million finishing bottom of the Premiership, that's more money than United earned as champions in the 2012-2013 season. Bloom has not amassed his fortune without some astute business decisions, changes at board level will come I'm certain of that. Albions next managerial appointment could be one of the most important decisions of his life.Exactly my point, we keep hearing about FFP , but unless you spend or you get good players cheap ( Barnes to Burnley ) your not going anywhere. I also think the fact OG has gone has not really allowed the real facts of the season to be debated more.. 1) squad really thin in quality 2) lack of creativity 3) football for 75% of home games was appalling ( check our results and goals scored) 4) we have one goal scorer , CMS has 12 months on his contract now and at 1m a year needs to deliver. 5) we need to somehow spend some money! If we seriously think we are going to find a striker at the right age for pennies when jones is sorting out the existing squad won't happen, TB needs to give his manager 10 million plus for his new players, some of that will come from wages saved by the release of the 6-7 gone, 6) we need a powerhouse defender, upson is carrying various injuries and may be on the edge so to speak. 7) the club needs to appoint ASAP a manager capable of delivering in the championship, sherwood for me is the best of the avaiable, but he may be waiting for big Sam to go , or the west brom job. We can't have 4-6 weeks of waiting again . 10 million for new players? In your dreams only. The club will be looking for players like Stephens from lower league clubs and out of contract players from abroad. The days of big money signings are over. You have a bad habit of spending other people's money for them. I certainly agree with your view that we need a powerhouse defender. Upson and Greer are way past their best and I am amazed that the club has offered both new deals. Also agree that the situation needs to be resolved quickly. The new man needs a full pre-season to prepare for next seaon - not the few weeks OG got.[/p][/quote]Ha ha , do you think out of contract players come free? Even loans carry a figure, IE Palace paid 1m loan fee to Blackpool for him, Players and agents want moving/ welcome/ fees, We signed augustin on a two year deal , he was free ! And at around 10k a week will cost a cool million in wages ! That's a bargain eh? You seem to accept we have a ceiling which is being mid table . Quality players cost money or big wages, forget FFP , that will only affect the journeymen , good players like Grabban will cost 3 million, shame we did not push the boat out in jan and snapped him up for the 1m .. Bournemouth must be laughing all the way to the bank! mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

9:03am Fri 16 May 14

TheWerewolf says...

Like it or not the new manager needs to stick within the TB constraints. ( I suggest you should like it or not be on this forum given the meteoric change in the club since he came on board thanks to his generous funding). My wish is for someone who understands the terms on day 1, can communicate to the club hierarchy and the fans and can deliver attractive football. Based on the recent communication from TB I would suggest that TS and Clement fit the bill, but Mackay may need too much money to deliver success. Lets hope this can be resolved quickly and we can move on the team we need for success next year. In Bloom we trust!!
Like it or not the new manager needs to stick within the TB constraints. ( I suggest you should like it or not be on this forum given the meteoric change in the club since he came on board thanks to his generous funding). My wish is for someone who understands the terms on day 1, can communicate to the club hierarchy and the fans and can deliver attractive football. Based on the recent communication from TB I would suggest that TS and Clement fit the bill, but Mackay may need too much money to deliver success. Lets hope this can be resolved quickly and we can move on the team we need for success next year. In Bloom we trust!! TheWerewolf
  • Score: 6

9:04am Fri 16 May 14

mark by the sea says...

I reckon those players released wages totalled 3m a year..
I reckon those players released wages totalled 3m a year.. mark by the sea
  • Score: -1

9:08am Fri 16 May 14

olebut says...

Would not want Malky and not that sure about Sherwood . We need somebody who wants to play as we do open football, does not half way through the season decide they do not like the transfer policy and is in for the long haul. I wonder if Zola would fit the bill
Would not want Malky and not that sure about Sherwood . We need somebody who wants to play as we do open football, does not half way through the season decide they do not like the transfer policy and is in for the long haul. I wonder if Zola would fit the bill olebut
  • Score: -2

9:12am Fri 16 May 14

Max Ripple says...

Well, as I said on a previous thread - get TS now or we will lose him. He's not going to hang around waiting for TB to make up his mind. If we can't afford him, that's another matter. We don't have a bottomless pit of cash and that applies to transfers as well. We also won't be able to compete with the parachute payment clubs and the gap between rich and poor is only going to widen.
So, what do we do? Our development squad and the new training ground are going to have to produce results. Bringing through new young talent and either playing them ourselves or selling them on to bring in funds (I know it sounds like a meat market) is going to be our only way forward.
TS is a great development coach and has a lot to offer as a manager. I'd take him over all the other options anyday.
Well, as I said on a previous thread - get TS now or we will lose him. He's not going to hang around waiting for TB to make up his mind. If we can't afford him, that's another matter. We don't have a bottomless pit of cash and that applies to transfers as well. We also won't be able to compete with the parachute payment clubs and the gap between rich and poor is only going to widen. So, what do we do? Our development squad and the new training ground are going to have to produce results. Bringing through new young talent and either playing them ourselves or selling them on to bring in funds (I know it sounds like a meat market) is going to be our only way forward. TS is a great development coach and has a lot to offer as a manager. I'd take him over all the other options anyday. Max Ripple
  • Score: 3

9:24am Fri 16 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Max Ripple wrote:
Well, as I said on a previous thread - get TS now or we will lose him. He's not going to hang around waiting for TB to make up his mind. If we can't afford him, that's another matter. We don't have a bottomless pit of cash and that applies to transfers as well. We also won't be able to compete with the parachute payment clubs and the gap between rich and poor is only going to widen.
So, what do we do? Our development squad and the new training ground are going to have to produce results. Bringing through new young talent and either playing them ourselves or selling them on to bring in funds (I know it sounds like a meat market) is going to be our only way forward.
TS is a great development coach and has a lot to offer as a manager. I'd take him over all the other options anyday.
The academy will take 5 years to produce, ie kids of 11-12 now need quality coaching, and they need to be ready to play at 17-18 , but those players will need quality alongside them with experience.
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: Well, as I said on a previous thread - get TS now or we will lose him. He's not going to hang around waiting for TB to make up his mind. If we can't afford him, that's another matter. We don't have a bottomless pit of cash and that applies to transfers as well. We also won't be able to compete with the parachute payment clubs and the gap between rich and poor is only going to widen. So, what do we do? Our development squad and the new training ground are going to have to produce results. Bringing through new young talent and either playing them ourselves or selling them on to bring in funds (I know it sounds like a meat market) is going to be our only way forward. TS is a great development coach and has a lot to offer as a manager. I'd take him over all the other options anyday.[/p][/quote]The academy will take 5 years to produce, ie kids of 11-12 now need quality coaching, and they need to be ready to play at 17-18 , but those players will need quality alongside them with experience. mark by the sea
  • Score: 6

9:27am Fri 16 May 14

Jules boy says...

I'm very confident of a quality appointment, this job is a great opportunity with the biggest club outside the PL, great stadium, training academy and best support and also offers a superb lifestyle in beautiful Sussex where you could be on the beach 1 min and walking the Downs within ten. I think there's more funds available than meets the eye, I believe Tony could see the cracks appearing with Oscar by the Jan transfer window and didn't want to commit money until the summer window - get ready for next season - think it could be the big one!
I'm very confident of a quality appointment, this job is a great opportunity with the biggest club outside the PL, great stadium, training academy and best support and also offers a superb lifestyle in beautiful Sussex where you could be on the beach 1 min and walking the Downs within ten. I think there's more funds available than meets the eye, I believe Tony could see the cracks appearing with Oscar by the Jan transfer window and didn't want to commit money until the summer window - get ready for next season - think it could be the big one! Jules boy
  • Score: 9

9:29am Fri 16 May 14

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

Alfie T wrote:
Willie, Willie Irvine wrote: McDermott's tenure at Leeds looks to be very wobbly again, so he could suddenly be on the list of possibilities.
Always liked your sense of humour...
I certainly sense multiple sharp intakes of breath around the ether st the mention of the very name....MCDERMOTT!

I wasn't actually rooting for him, though, just noting his potential availibility. Personally, I'm not convinced Sherwood would come to Brighton.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willie, Willie Irvine[/bold] wrote: McDermott's tenure at Leeds looks to be very wobbly again, so he could suddenly be on the list of possibilities.[/p][/quote]Always liked your sense of humour...[/p][/quote]I certainly sense multiple sharp intakes of breath around the ether st the mention of the very name....MCDERMOTT! I wasn't actually rooting for him, though, just noting his potential availibility. Personally, I'm not convinced Sherwood would come to Brighton. Willie, Willie Irvine
  • Score: 2

9:32am Fri 16 May 14

OldGull says...

Towner83 wrote:
Please not Clement! No offence to the guy, I'm sure he's a great coach & will be a good manager but we need someone who knows the league.
He was Ancelloti's assistant at Chelsea.
He was at Chelsea from 2007 - 2011
safe to say he knows English Football
[quote][p][bold]Towner83[/bold] wrote: Please not Clement! No offence to the guy, I'm sure he's a great coach & will be a good manager but we need someone who knows the league.[/p][/quote]He was Ancelloti's assistant at Chelsea. He was at Chelsea from 2007 - 2011 safe to say he knows English Football OldGull
  • Score: 9

9:33am Fri 16 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Jules boy wrote:
I'm very confident of a quality appointment, this job is a great opportunity with the biggest club outside the PL, great stadium, training academy and best support and also offers a superb lifestyle in beautiful Sussex where you could be on the beach 1 min and walking the Downs within ten. I think there's more funds available than meets the eye, I believe Tony could see the cracks appearing with Oscar by the Jan transfer window and didn't want to commit money until the summer window - get ready for next season - think it could be the big one!
Massive next 3 months for the club, we can't have any more mess like this,
Had we not scored at forest , and OG resigned I think we would be looking at things differently,, we need to spend money , the 6 released wage bill was probably 3m a year .. Never before has scouting been more important,
Those that slate Day need to remember Conway grabban , had those two signed the season would have been a lot better , both players do the simple things well, Conway hits crosses with pace, Grabban hits the net .
[quote][p][bold]Jules boy[/bold] wrote: I'm very confident of a quality appointment, this job is a great opportunity with the biggest club outside the PL, great stadium, training academy and best support and also offers a superb lifestyle in beautiful Sussex where you could be on the beach 1 min and walking the Downs within ten. I think there's more funds available than meets the eye, I believe Tony could see the cracks appearing with Oscar by the Jan transfer window and didn't want to commit money until the summer window - get ready for next season - think it could be the big one![/p][/quote]Massive next 3 months for the club, we can't have any more mess like this, Had we not scored at forest , and OG resigned I think we would be looking at things differently,, we need to spend money , the 6 released wage bill was probably 3m a year .. Never before has scouting been more important, Those that slate Day need to remember Conway grabban , had those two signed the season would have been a lot better , both players do the simple things well, Conway hits crosses with pace, Grabban hits the net . mark by the sea
  • Score: 11

9:36am Fri 16 May 14

B-hove says...

Please: not another inexperienced manager under TB! Particularly if TB is going to continue to be hands-off, and absent during the bulk of mid-winter, we need someone who has done it, successfully, before. Experience of English Prem and/or Championship, please. Someone who knows what they want to do but, clearly, someone who won’t be too abrasive with the suits that appear to hold the sway in our club.
Please: not another inexperienced manager under TB! Particularly if TB is going to continue to be hands-off, and absent during the bulk of mid-winter, we need someone who has done it, successfully, before. Experience of English Prem and/or Championship, please. Someone who knows what they want to do but, clearly, someone who won’t be too abrasive with the suits that appear to hold the sway in our club. B-hove
  • Score: -2

9:36am Fri 16 May 14

OldGull says...

Neville wrote:
If you listen to TB interview he mentions unproven coaches etc have applied and I just think if TS is the nailed on favourite we would have made an immediate move for him,I also think good as he would be it would be another short step before he wanted to manage in the Premiership.
With our style of play throughout the squads and the Academy I am coming to the conclusion that Paul Clement will be offered the position,must admit I know little about him.
He was at Chelsea from 2007-2011
started out as a youth team coach
then coached the 1st team under Gus Hiddink & Ancellotti
He then joined Ancellotti at PSG and now Real Madrid.

Pretty good CV and he has experience in England
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: If you listen to TB interview he mentions unproven coaches etc have applied and I just think if TS is the nailed on favourite we would have made an immediate move for him,I also think good as he would be it would be another short step before he wanted to manage in the Premiership. With our style of play throughout the squads and the Academy I am coming to the conclusion that Paul Clement will be offered the position,must admit I know little about him.[/p][/quote]He was at Chelsea from 2007-2011 started out as a youth team coach then coached the 1st team under Gus Hiddink & Ancellotti He then joined Ancellotti at PSG and now Real Madrid. Pretty good CV and he has experience in England OldGull
  • Score: 10

9:42am Fri 16 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Jules boy wrote:
I'm very confident of a quality appointment, this job is a great opportunity with the biggest club outside the PL, great stadium, training academy and best support and also offers a superb lifestyle in beautiful Sussex where you could be on the beach 1 min and walking the Downs within ten. I think there's more funds available than meets the eye, I believe Tony could see the cracks appearing with Oscar by the Jan transfer window and didn't want to commit money until the summer window - get ready for next season - think it could be the big one!
Massive next 3 months for the club, we can't have any more mess like this,
Had we not scored at forest , and OG resigned I think we would be looking at things differently,, we need to spend money , the 6 released wage bill was probably 3m a year .. Never before has scouting been more important,
Those that slate Day need to remember Conway grabban , had those two signed the season would have been a lot better , both players do the simple things well, Conway hits crosses with pace, Grabban hits the net .
[quote][p][bold]Jules boy[/bold] wrote: I'm very confident of a quality appointment, this job is a great opportunity with the biggest club outside the PL, great stadium, training academy and best support and also offers a superb lifestyle in beautiful Sussex where you could be on the beach 1 min and walking the Downs within ten. I think there's more funds available than meets the eye, I believe Tony could see the cracks appearing with Oscar by the Jan transfer window and didn't want to commit money until the summer window - get ready for next season - think it could be the big one![/p][/quote]Massive next 3 months for the club, we can't have any more mess like this, Had we not scored at forest , and OG resigned I think we would be looking at things differently,, we need to spend money , the 6 released wage bill was probably 3m a year .. Never before has scouting been more important, Those that slate Day need to remember Conway grabban , had those two signed the season would have been a lot better , both players do the simple things well, Conway hits crosses with pace, Grabban hits the net . mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

9:45am Fri 16 May 14

Grendel says...

I would be happy with Howe or Sherwood.
I would be happy with Howe or Sherwood. Grendel
  • Score: 3

9:46am Fri 16 May 14

fairweathersupporter says...

I believe we will get a good quality replacement manager. A tacical genius? A yes man? Experienced? Was not too keen on Mackay and better have been mentioned. I have some resevations about Clements lack of experience as outlined in this (very) long but hopefully thought provoking post trawled from the depths of recurring topics on here and elsewhere .
We all trust in Tony but I do however notice some small but still audible dissension in the direction of our owner for the issues i summarise below . He has a lot invested in the club and it will not realise it's full (financial) potential until we are in the Premiership. So it does not take a genius or (even indeed ringtone et al) to work out he will do everything possible to get us there. His methods are not and should not be completely beyond question but alternatives are a bit thin on the ground and as I have suggested on several occasions, a potential nightmare; Imagine some foreign owner changing our kit colours and merging with Crawley to form Sussex Utd or how about merging with Palarse for M23 FC (can't think how merging with Crawley would financially benefit us but you get my point and as for the other...). Stupid perhaps but not so completely off the wall by today's standards. Milking us in the Championship, as some have suggested, pales into insignificance to the financial rewards of the Premier League. So if he wishes to profit on his investment, then guess where the real money is. His leadership (and money) thus far has enough slack to take up several seasons 'trapped' in the Championship and even i'd guess the unthinkable; relegation. His leadership also has enough slack to accept his judgement on the likes of Burke (with perhaps a caveat). Tony beyond criticism? No. Beyond ill informed, impatient and ignorant ranting? Yes. Not that i believe that he reads this site or NSC but the themes would be known to him. He engages with the fans and would describe himself as one.Oscar's 'dignified' exit is due as much to lack of dynamism and failure to deliver on his attacking mantra, as his dissatisfaction with stormy January's and communication issues. This opinion was shared by the majority of support who never completely took to him. The fairer were willing to give him a chance and drink sangria, the ugly were calling his brand dull and wanting at least a change in tactics. Maybe not fan power (and such a thing does i believe still exist and no i don't believe in father Christmas) but it was noted by the powers that be and a factor but not the decisive one.

Manager wise; we need someone in charge with some balls, especially with a DoF or HoFO in the mix. Someone who will fight for every penny to spend on players and make the DoF's life hell (or at least earn their keep). As with any deal, there is always room for negotiation, a shrinking 'yes man' will not compete for the best deal and neither will the quiet pragmatist. For all Gus's ego, he was not found wanting in this department. I have been consistent in his defence but acknowledge his failings. This is not anti anyone or anything, just good business. DoF or HoFO is where we are. In any case, free spending managers are as much of a menace as DoF's and the decline of many a club can be attributed to them and their short sighted boards, so think on.

Basically the TB interview was what we were expecting. I am neither totally placated nor overly angered by it's content, as much of it is pretty reasonable, predictable stuff and much of the hyperbole on this site is answered. On the plus side it appears that there are two sides to every story (and i never knew that...). On the minus, it does not address the main issue of the damage caused by another fall out (or misunderstanding), albeit with less fireworks, at a crucial time of the season. These are boardroom issues but also deserve some explanation and have caused concern on here and throughout the fan base.You really want to be going into a play off semi with all guns blazing and your broadside timed to perfection. Twice, we have now sailed against the prevailing wind, with our guns aimed in different directions. Swept away by a tide of malignant frustration. This built up over the preceding months, manager or head coach and some of the players, not rowing nor indeed sailing in the same direction. Victory was taken from us, or only seen through the blind eye, on both occasions. All aboard the good ship BHA! Let us head for treasure island via calmer waters; next time...
Too many players coming towards the end of their contracts at the same time does not help the issue. The argument about them playing for a contract is pretty useless if they're playing well enough to get a better one elsewhere. It does not make good business sense and it has a pernicious effect on the dressing room. Some will always be coming to the end of a deal but too many this season and it needed addressing earlier. The Barnes situation was left to drag on and served little purpose. As for managers being disillusioned at the point of no return? Well let's try and sort it before this comes to realisation, or at the very least head them off at the pass. The discontent was audible from both OG and Gus long before the final curtain. But we didn't dress for the occasion and waited around outside, only to be told the show was over.
The team has arguably been good enough on both occasions. Evidence may suggest otherwise but the circumstances need serious consideration. On both occasions, over the two games, we have been outplayed. That is a broader issue than being beaten by a better team. The Palace fracas was as much down to issues within the club and with Gus more than the footballing 'genius' of Zaha. Derby better team, of course but were we prepared for the challenge; not as much as we could have been, i suspect. So some recognition of opportunities passed up on, would perhaps be in order and an ability to learn from our mistakes. Admitting to some of them is important for the transparency of our supposedly 'ethical' club. We do like doing things right, after all.
The January transfer window also has to be looked at. Mr Bloom may not like it but let's be good boy Scouts and at least 'be prepared'. It's not going away and whilst other teams take advantage, it is our Achilles heel. Last season (2012-13) i get the distinct impression that big Len was purely a result of Gus firing his toys into orbit. This season, well... If injuries and other factors dictate that we are short in January, then let us at least have some viable targets. Grabban was a spectacular failure. Could we really offer less than Bournemouth? And i am not one to encourage spending profligacy but really? If the somewhat shy Oscar was not addressing these issues or was being 'unrealistic', then what was the DoF doing? This is not confined to this season or January. Our ability to get players that we want is not a shiny, happy place. It is a dark wasteland, littered with no strikers and a shortage of box to box midfielders and yes i do take into account the horrendous injury list and wage bill but it goes beyond this. Loan land is a happier but sometimes strange place. One we should obviously utilize but not become overly reliant on. CMS was a notable exception to our signings effort but that was a while ago now and BB (Before Burke). Playing hardball is all very well but no good if you have no one to play with. It's not just a question of money. You can throw money around, it burns pretty well but spending it wisely is the key and persuading people to part with it the tricky bit. The short term vision and organisation of the January transfer window cost us more than we saved. There are people employed responsible for this sort of thing. Some criticism is deserved and cannot be wholly defended by platitudes. But ultimately it is his employer who answers for this and i have heard no answer other than 'he is doing a good job'. I appreciate that expecting an answer is something that i was accused of a while ago by 'B rian Tawses' left foot but i am not that naive, i will however pose the question.
These are issues that need to be addressed or at least acknowledged. I do not ask for the head of Oscar Garcia or even Mr Burke. I just ask to be treated like an adult and see us reach our goal. Perhaps we will get some answers, perhaps we won't but it's a long summer and i guess we will see what we have harvested when Autumn comes.
I believe we will get a good quality replacement manager. A tacical genius? A yes man? Experienced? Was not too keen on Mackay and better have been mentioned. I have some resevations about Clements lack of experience as outlined in this (very) long but hopefully thought provoking post trawled from the depths of recurring topics on here and elsewhere . We all trust in Tony but I do however notice some small but still audible dissension in the direction of our owner for the issues i summarise below . He has a lot invested in the club and it will not realise it's full (financial) potential until we are in the Premiership. So it does not take a genius or (even indeed ringtone et al) to work out he will do everything possible to get us there. His methods are not and should not be completely beyond question but alternatives are a bit thin on the ground and as I have suggested on several occasions, a potential nightmare; Imagine some foreign owner changing our kit colours and merging with Crawley to form Sussex Utd or how about merging with Palarse for M23 FC (can't think how merging with Crawley would financially benefit us but you get my point and as for the other...). Stupid perhaps but not so completely off the wall by today's standards. Milking us in the Championship, as some have suggested, pales into insignificance to the financial rewards of the Premier League. So if he wishes to profit on his investment, then guess where the real money is. His leadership (and money) thus far has enough slack to take up several seasons 'trapped' in the Championship and even i'd guess the unthinkable; relegation. His leadership also has enough slack to accept his judgement on the likes of Burke (with perhaps a caveat). Tony beyond criticism? No. Beyond ill informed, impatient and ignorant ranting? Yes. Not that i believe that he reads this site or NSC but the themes would be known to him. He engages with the fans and would describe himself as one.Oscar's 'dignified' exit is due as much to lack of dynamism and failure to deliver on his attacking mantra, as his dissatisfaction with stormy January's and communication issues. This opinion was shared by the majority of support who never completely took to him. The fairer were willing to give him a chance and drink sangria, the ugly were calling his brand dull and wanting at least a change in tactics. Maybe not fan power (and such a thing does i believe still exist and no i don't believe in father Christmas) but it was noted by the powers that be and a factor but not the decisive one. Manager wise; we need someone in charge with some balls, especially with a DoF or HoFO in the mix. Someone who will fight for every penny to spend on players and make the DoF's life hell (or at least earn their keep). As with any deal, there is always room for negotiation, a shrinking 'yes man' will not compete for the best deal and neither will the quiet pragmatist. For all Gus's ego, he was not found wanting in this department. I have been consistent in his defence but acknowledge his failings. This is not anti anyone or anything, just good business. DoF or HoFO is where we are. In any case, free spending managers are as much of a menace as DoF's and the decline of many a club can be attributed to them and their short sighted boards, so think on. Basically the TB interview was what we were expecting. I am neither totally placated nor overly angered by it's content, as much of it is pretty reasonable, predictable stuff and much of the hyperbole on this site is answered. On the plus side it appears that there are two sides to every story (and i never knew that...). On the minus, it does not address the main issue of the damage caused by another fall out (or misunderstanding), albeit with less fireworks, at a crucial time of the season. These are boardroom issues but also deserve some explanation and have caused concern on here and throughout the fan base.You really want to be going into a play off semi with all guns blazing and your broadside timed to perfection. Twice, we have now sailed against the prevailing wind, with our guns aimed in different directions. Swept away by a tide of malignant frustration. This built up over the preceding months, manager or head coach and some of the players, not rowing nor indeed sailing in the same direction. Victory was taken from us, or only seen through the blind eye, on both occasions. All aboard the good ship BHA! Let us head for treasure island via calmer waters; next time... Too many players coming towards the end of their contracts at the same time does not help the issue. The argument about them playing for a contract is pretty useless if they're playing well enough to get a better one elsewhere. It does not make good business sense and it has a pernicious effect on the dressing room. Some will always be coming to the end of a deal but too many this season and it needed addressing earlier. The Barnes situation was left to drag on and served little purpose. As for managers being disillusioned at the point of no return? Well let's try and sort it before this comes to realisation, or at the very least head them off at the pass. The discontent was audible from both OG and Gus long before the final curtain. But we didn't dress for the occasion and waited around outside, only to be told the show was over. The team has arguably been good enough on both occasions. Evidence may suggest otherwise but the circumstances need serious consideration. On both occasions, over the two games, we have been outplayed. That is a broader issue than being beaten by a better team. The Palace fracas was as much down to issues within the club and with Gus more than the footballing 'genius' of Zaha. Derby better team, of course but were we prepared for the challenge; not as much as we could have been, i suspect. So some recognition of opportunities passed up on, would perhaps be in order and an ability to learn from our mistakes. Admitting to some of them is important for the transparency of our supposedly 'ethical' club. We do like doing things right, after all. The January transfer window also has to be looked at. Mr Bloom may not like it but let's be good boy Scouts and at least 'be prepared'. It's not going away and whilst other teams take advantage, it is our Achilles heel. Last season (2012-13) i get the distinct impression that big Len was purely a result of Gus firing his toys into orbit. This season, well... If injuries and other factors dictate that we are short in January, then let us at least have some viable targets. Grabban was a spectacular failure. Could we really offer less than Bournemouth? And i am not one to encourage spending profligacy but really? If the somewhat shy Oscar was not addressing these issues or was being 'unrealistic', then what was the DoF doing? This is not confined to this season or January. Our ability to get players that we want is not a shiny, happy place. It is a dark wasteland, littered with no strikers and a shortage of box to box midfielders and yes i do take into account the horrendous injury list and wage bill but it goes beyond this. Loan land is a happier but sometimes strange place. One we should obviously utilize but not become overly reliant on. CMS was a notable exception to our signings effort but that was a while ago now and BB (Before Burke). Playing hardball is all very well but no good if you have no one to play with. It's not just a question of money. You can throw money around, it burns pretty well but spending it wisely is the key and persuading people to part with it the tricky bit. The short term vision and organisation of the January transfer window cost us more than we saved. There are people employed responsible for this sort of thing. Some criticism is deserved and cannot be wholly defended by platitudes. But ultimately it is his employer who answers for this and i have heard no answer other than 'he is doing a good job'. I appreciate that expecting an answer is something that i was accused of a while ago by 'B rian Tawses' left foot but i am not that naive, i will however pose the question. These are issues that need to be addressed or at least acknowledged. I do not ask for the head of Oscar Garcia or even Mr Burke. I just ask to be treated like an adult and see us reach our goal. Perhaps we will get some answers, perhaps we won't but it's a long summer and i guess we will see what we have harvested when Autumn comes. fairweathersupporter
  • Score: 18

9:47am Fri 16 May 14

OldGull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
mark by the sea says...


Alfie T wrote:

MHubbs wrote:
Paul, may mean another experimental year of a coach getting used to championship football. That would be my concern with him.

The question is who wants to come in with the heavy constraints of working with our board. Not many top guys I reakon.
Cardiff city earned £62 million finishing bottom of the Premiership, that's more money than United earned as champions in the 2012-2013 season. Bloom has not amassed his fortune without some astute business decisions, changes at board level will come I'm certain of that. Albions next managerial appointment could be one of the most important decisions of his life.Exactly my point, we keep hearing about FFP , but unless you spend or you get good players cheap ( Barnes to Burnley ) your not going anywhere.
I also think the fact OG has gone has not really allowed the real facts of the season to be debated more..
1) squad really thin in quality
2) lack of creativity
3) football for 75% of home games was appalling ( check our results and goals scored)
4) we have one goal scorer , CMS has 12 months on his contract now and at 1m a year needs to deliver.
5) we need to somehow spend some money! If we seriously think we are going to find a striker at the right age for pennies when jones is sorting out the existing squad won't happen,
TB needs to give his manager 10 million plus for his new players, some of that will come from wages saved by the release of the 6-7 gone,
6) we need a powerhouse defender, upson is carrying various injuries and may be on the edge so to speak.
7) the club needs to appoint ASAP a manager capable of delivering in the championship, sherwood for me is the best of the avaiable, but he may be waiting for big Sam to go , or the west brom job.
We can't have 4-6 weeks of waiting again .

10 million for new players? In your dreams only. The club will be looking for players like Stephens from lower league clubs and out of contract players from abroad. The days of big money signings are over. You have a bad habit of spending other people's money for them.
I certainly agree with your view that we need a powerhouse defender. Upson and Greer are way past their best and I am amazed that the club has offered both new deals. Also agree that the situation needs to be resolved quickly. The new man needs a full pre-season to prepare for next seaon - not the few weeks OG got.
Ha ha , do you think out of contract players come free?
Even loans carry a figure, IE Palace paid 1m loan fee to Blackpool for him,
Players and agents want moving/ welcome/ fees,
We signed augustin on a two year deal , he was free ! And at around 10k a week will cost a cool million in wages ! That's a bargain eh?
You seem to accept we have a ceiling which is being mid table .
Quality players cost money or big wages, forget FFP , that will only affect the journeymen , good players like Grabban will cost 3 million, shame we did not push the boat out in jan and snapped him up for the 1m .. Bournemouth must be laughing all the way to the bank!
I think you will find we wanted to sign him, but his demands were higher than our wage structure would allow.
Bournemouth were prepared to pay him more so he stayed.

Are you saying Albion should pay whatever a player demands?
Our wage bill would soon spiral out of control.
TB is running this club on a sustainable basis.
Accept that it is a gradual progression.
It could be argued we over achieved under Gus which raised expectation too high too quick.
5year plan......We are entering the 4th season at the Amex so are still on track.

UTA
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: mark by the sea says... Alfie T wrote: MHubbs wrote: Paul, may mean another experimental year of a coach getting used to championship football. That would be my concern with him. The question is who wants to come in with the heavy constraints of working with our board. Not many top guys I reakon. Cardiff city earned £62 million finishing bottom of the Premiership, that's more money than United earned as champions in the 2012-2013 season. Bloom has not amassed his fortune without some astute business decisions, changes at board level will come I'm certain of that. Albions next managerial appointment could be one of the most important decisions of his life.Exactly my point, we keep hearing about FFP , but unless you spend or you get good players cheap ( Barnes to Burnley ) your not going anywhere. I also think the fact OG has gone has not really allowed the real facts of the season to be debated more.. 1) squad really thin in quality 2) lack of creativity 3) football for 75% of home games was appalling ( check our results and goals scored) 4) we have one goal scorer , CMS has 12 months on his contract now and at 1m a year needs to deliver. 5) we need to somehow spend some money! If we seriously think we are going to find a striker at the right age for pennies when jones is sorting out the existing squad won't happen, TB needs to give his manager 10 million plus for his new players, some of that will come from wages saved by the release of the 6-7 gone, 6) we need a powerhouse defender, upson is carrying various injuries and may be on the edge so to speak. 7) the club needs to appoint ASAP a manager capable of delivering in the championship, sherwood for me is the best of the avaiable, but he may be waiting for big Sam to go , or the west brom job. We can't have 4-6 weeks of waiting again . 10 million for new players? In your dreams only. The club will be looking for players like Stephens from lower league clubs and out of contract players from abroad. The days of big money signings are over. You have a bad habit of spending other people's money for them. I certainly agree with your view that we need a powerhouse defender. Upson and Greer are way past their best and I am amazed that the club has offered both new deals. Also agree that the situation needs to be resolved quickly. The new man needs a full pre-season to prepare for next seaon - not the few weeks OG got.[/p][/quote]Ha ha , do you think out of contract players come free? Even loans carry a figure, IE Palace paid 1m loan fee to Blackpool for him, Players and agents want moving/ welcome/ fees, We signed augustin on a two year deal , he was free ! And at around 10k a week will cost a cool million in wages ! That's a bargain eh? You seem to accept we have a ceiling which is being mid table . Quality players cost money or big wages, forget FFP , that will only affect the journeymen , good players like Grabban will cost 3 million, shame we did not push the boat out in jan and snapped him up for the 1m .. Bournemouth must be laughing all the way to the bank![/p][/quote]I think you will find we wanted to sign him, but his demands were higher than our wage structure would allow. Bournemouth were prepared to pay him more so he stayed. Are you saying Albion should pay whatever a player demands? Our wage bill would soon spiral out of control. TB is running this club on a sustainable basis. Accept that it is a gradual progression. It could be argued we over achieved under Gus which raised expectation too high too quick. 5year plan......We are entering the 4th season at the Amex so are still on track. UTA OldGull
  • Score: 7

10:00am Fri 16 May 14

OldGull says...

The more I read about Clement, The more he seems a good bet

from a BBC report on PSG.....
" PSG have an Italian manager in Carlo Ancelotti, a Brazilian sporting director in Leonardo and a distinctly multinational squad.
The loudest voice around, however, tends to be that of an Englishman: the training ground is Paul Clement's domain and Ancelotti's assistant coach is not shy in bellowing out instructions in his rather raw French, coloured with a thick London accent.
PSG's wealthy backers have sought to assemble a technical team of leading experts in their field as they bid to turn the French outfit into a European power.
Ancelotti describes the 40-year-old as "one of the most dynamic and intelligent coaches" with whom he has worked and did not hesitate in contacting Clement following his appointment last Christmas.
Clement had already spent two seasons alongside Ancelotti at Chelsea - notably helping the west London club win the double in 2009-10 - and admits he was hoping for another chance to collaborate with the former AC Milan boss.

UTA
The more I read about Clement, The more he seems a good bet from a BBC report on PSG..... " PSG have an Italian manager in Carlo Ancelotti, a Brazilian sporting director in Leonardo and a distinctly multinational squad. The loudest voice around, however, tends to be that of an Englishman: the training ground is Paul Clement's domain and Ancelotti's assistant coach is not shy in bellowing out instructions in his rather raw French, coloured with a thick London accent. PSG's wealthy backers have sought to assemble a technical team of leading experts in their field as they bid to turn the French outfit into a European power. Ancelotti describes the 40-year-old as "one of the most dynamic and intelligent coaches" with whom he has worked and did not hesitate in contacting Clement following his appointment last Christmas. Clement had already spent two seasons alongside Ancelotti at Chelsea - notably helping the west London club win the double in 2009-10 - and admits he was hoping for another chance to collaborate with the former AC Milan boss. UTA OldGull
  • Score: 10

10:05am Fri 16 May 14

Oscar's Chin says...

fairweathersupporter wrote:
I believe we will get a good quality replacement manager. A tacical genius? A yes man? Experienced? Was not too keen on Mackay and better have been mentioned. I have some resevations about Clements lack of experience as outlined in this (very) long but hopefully thought provoking post trawled from the depths of recurring topics on here and elsewhere .
We all trust in Tony but I do however notice some small but still audible dissension in the direction of our owner for the issues i summarise below . He has a lot invested in the club and it will not realise it's full (financial) potential until we are in the Premiership. So it does not take a genius or (even indeed ringtone et al) to work out he will do everything possible to get us there. His methods are not and should not be completely beyond question but alternatives are a bit thin on the ground and as I have suggested on several occasions, a potential nightmare; Imagine some foreign owner changing our kit colours and merging with Crawley to form Sussex Utd or how about merging with Palarse for M23 FC (can't think how merging with Crawley would financially benefit us but you get my point and as for the other...). Stupid perhaps but not so completely off the wall by today's standards. Milking us in the Championship, as some have suggested, pales into insignificance to the financial rewards of the Premier League. So if he wishes to profit on his investment, then guess where the real money is. His leadership (and money) thus far has enough slack to take up several seasons 'trapped' in the Championship and even i'd guess the unthinkable; relegation. His leadership also has enough slack to accept his judgement on the likes of Burke (with perhaps a caveat). Tony beyond criticism? No. Beyond ill informed, impatient and ignorant ranting? Yes. Not that i believe that he reads this site or NSC but the themes would be known to him. He engages with the fans and would describe himself as one.Oscar's 'dignified' exit is due as much to lack of dynamism and failure to deliver on his attacking mantra, as his dissatisfaction with stormy January's and communication issues. This opinion was shared by the majority of support who never completely took to him. The fairer were willing to give him a chance and drink sangria, the ugly were calling his brand dull and wanting at least a change in tactics. Maybe not fan power (and such a thing does i believe still exist and no i don't believe in father Christmas) but it was noted by the powers that be and a factor but not the decisive one.

Manager wise; we need someone in charge with some balls, especially with a DoF or HoFO in the mix. Someone who will fight for every penny to spend on players and make the DoF's life hell (or at least earn their keep). As with any deal, there is always room for negotiation, a shrinking 'yes man' will not compete for the best deal and neither will the quiet pragmatist. For all Gus's ego, he was not found wanting in this department. I have been consistent in his defence but acknowledge his failings. This is not anti anyone or anything, just good business. DoF or HoFO is where we are. In any case, free spending managers are as much of a menace as DoF's and the decline of many a club can be attributed to them and their short sighted boards, so think on.

Basically the TB interview was what we were expecting. I am neither totally placated nor overly angered by it's content, as much of it is pretty reasonable, predictable stuff and much of the hyperbole on this site is answered. On the plus side it appears that there are two sides to every story (and i never knew that...). On the minus, it does not address the main issue of the damage caused by another fall out (or misunderstanding), albeit with less fireworks, at a crucial time of the season. These are boardroom issues but also deserve some explanation and have caused concern on here and throughout the fan base.You really want to be going into a play off semi with all guns blazing and your broadside timed to perfection. Twice, we have now sailed against the prevailing wind, with our guns aimed in different directions. Swept away by a tide of malignant frustration. This built up over the preceding months, manager or head coach and some of the players, not rowing nor indeed sailing in the same direction. Victory was taken from us, or only seen through the blind eye, on both occasions. All aboard the good ship BHA! Let us head for treasure island via calmer waters; next time...
Too many players coming towards the end of their contracts at the same time does not help the issue. The argument about them playing for a contract is pretty useless if they're playing well enough to get a better one elsewhere. It does not make good business sense and it has a pernicious effect on the dressing room. Some will always be coming to the end of a deal but too many this season and it needed addressing earlier. The Barnes situation was left to drag on and served little purpose. As for managers being disillusioned at the point of no return? Well let's try and sort it before this comes to realisation, or at the very least head them off at the pass. The discontent was audible from both OG and Gus long before the final curtain. But we didn't dress for the occasion and waited around outside, only to be told the show was over.
The team has arguably been good enough on both occasions. Evidence may suggest otherwise but the circumstances need serious consideration. On both occasions, over the two games, we have been outplayed. That is a broader issue than being beaten by a better team. The Palace fracas was as much down to issues within the club and with Gus more than the footballing 'genius' of Zaha. Derby better team, of course but were we prepared for the challenge; not as much as we could have been, i suspect. So some recognition of opportunities passed up on, would perhaps be in order and an ability to learn from our mistakes. Admitting to some of them is important for the transparency of our supposedly 'ethical' club. We do like doing things right, after all.
The January transfer window also has to be looked at. Mr Bloom may not like it but let's be good boy Scouts and at least 'be prepared'. It's not going away and whilst other teams take advantage, it is our Achilles heel. Last season (2012-13) i get the distinct impression that big Len was purely a result of Gus firing his toys into orbit. This season, well... If injuries and other factors dictate that we are short in January, then let us at least have some viable targets. Grabban was a spectacular failure. Could we really offer less than Bournemouth? And i am not one to encourage spending profligacy but really? If the somewhat shy Oscar was not addressing these issues or was being 'unrealistic', then what was the DoF doing? This is not confined to this season or January. Our ability to get players that we want is not a shiny, happy place. It is a dark wasteland, littered with no strikers and a shortage of box to box midfielders and yes i do take into account the horrendous injury list and wage bill but it goes beyond this. Loan land is a happier but sometimes strange place. One we should obviously utilize but not become overly reliant on. CMS was a notable exception to our signings effort but that was a while ago now and BB (Before Burke). Playing hardball is all very well but no good if you have no one to play with. It's not just a question of money. You can throw money around, it burns pretty well but spending it wisely is the key and persuading people to part with it the tricky bit. The short term vision and organisation of the January transfer window cost us more than we saved. There are people employed responsible for this sort of thing. Some criticism is deserved and cannot be wholly defended by platitudes. But ultimately it is his employer who answers for this and i have heard no answer other than 'he is doing a good job'. I appreciate that expecting an answer is something that i was accused of a while ago by 'B rian Tawses' left foot but i am not that naive, i will however pose the question.
These are issues that need to be addressed or at least acknowledged. I do not ask for the head of Oscar Garcia or even Mr Burke. I just ask to be treated like an adult and see us reach our goal. Perhaps we will get some answers, perhaps we won't but it's a long summer and i guess we will see what we have harvested when Autumn comes.
Good read, FairweatherSupporter
. Excellent work.

I've quoted you partly as acknowledgement of said fine work but mainly to make mischief by extending people's scrolling time. Sorry. Te he.
[quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: I believe we will get a good quality replacement manager. A tacical genius? A yes man? Experienced? Was not too keen on Mackay and better have been mentioned. I have some resevations about Clements lack of experience as outlined in this (very) long but hopefully thought provoking post trawled from the depths of recurring topics on here and elsewhere . We all trust in Tony but I do however notice some small but still audible dissension in the direction of our owner for the issues i summarise below . He has a lot invested in the club and it will not realise it's full (financial) potential until we are in the Premiership. So it does not take a genius or (even indeed ringtone et al) to work out he will do everything possible to get us there. His methods are not and should not be completely beyond question but alternatives are a bit thin on the ground and as I have suggested on several occasions, a potential nightmare; Imagine some foreign owner changing our kit colours and merging with Crawley to form Sussex Utd or how about merging with Palarse for M23 FC (can't think how merging with Crawley would financially benefit us but you get my point and as for the other...). Stupid perhaps but not so completely off the wall by today's standards. Milking us in the Championship, as some have suggested, pales into insignificance to the financial rewards of the Premier League. So if he wishes to profit on his investment, then guess where the real money is. His leadership (and money) thus far has enough slack to take up several seasons 'trapped' in the Championship and even i'd guess the unthinkable; relegation. His leadership also has enough slack to accept his judgement on the likes of Burke (with perhaps a caveat). Tony beyond criticism? No. Beyond ill informed, impatient and ignorant ranting? Yes. Not that i believe that he reads this site or NSC but the themes would be known to him. He engages with the fans and would describe himself as one.Oscar's 'dignified' exit is due as much to lack of dynamism and failure to deliver on his attacking mantra, as his dissatisfaction with stormy January's and communication issues. This opinion was shared by the majority of support who never completely took to him. The fairer were willing to give him a chance and drink sangria, the ugly were calling his brand dull and wanting at least a change in tactics. Maybe not fan power (and such a thing does i believe still exist and no i don't believe in father Christmas) but it was noted by the powers that be and a factor but not the decisive one. Manager wise; we need someone in charge with some balls, especially with a DoF or HoFO in the mix. Someone who will fight for every penny to spend on players and make the DoF's life hell (or at least earn their keep). As with any deal, there is always room for negotiation, a shrinking 'yes man' will not compete for the best deal and neither will the quiet pragmatist. For all Gus's ego, he was not found wanting in this department. I have been consistent in his defence but acknowledge his failings. This is not anti anyone or anything, just good business. DoF or HoFO is where we are. In any case, free spending managers are as much of a menace as DoF's and the decline of many a club can be attributed to them and their short sighted boards, so think on. Basically the TB interview was what we were expecting. I am neither totally placated nor overly angered by it's content, as much of it is pretty reasonable, predictable stuff and much of the hyperbole on this site is answered. On the plus side it appears that there are two sides to every story (and i never knew that...). On the minus, it does not address the main issue of the damage caused by another fall out (or misunderstanding), albeit with less fireworks, at a crucial time of the season. These are boardroom issues but also deserve some explanation and have caused concern on here and throughout the fan base.You really want to be going into a play off semi with all guns blazing and your broadside timed to perfection. Twice, we have now sailed against the prevailing wind, with our guns aimed in different directions. Swept away by a tide of malignant frustration. This built up over the preceding months, manager or head coach and some of the players, not rowing nor indeed sailing in the same direction. Victory was taken from us, or only seen through the blind eye, on both occasions. All aboard the good ship BHA! Let us head for treasure island via calmer waters; next time... Too many players coming towards the end of their contracts at the same time does not help the issue. The argument about them playing for a contract is pretty useless if they're playing well enough to get a better one elsewhere. It does not make good business sense and it has a pernicious effect on the dressing room. Some will always be coming to the end of a deal but too many this season and it needed addressing earlier. The Barnes situation was left to drag on and served little purpose. As for managers being disillusioned at the point of no return? Well let's try and sort it before this comes to realisation, or at the very least head them off at the pass. The discontent was audible from both OG and Gus long before the final curtain. But we didn't dress for the occasion and waited around outside, only to be told the show was over. The team has arguably been good enough on both occasions. Evidence may suggest otherwise but the circumstances need serious consideration. On both occasions, over the two games, we have been outplayed. That is a broader issue than being beaten by a better team. The Palace fracas was as much down to issues within the club and with Gus more than the footballing 'genius' of Zaha. Derby better team, of course but were we prepared for the challenge; not as much as we could have been, i suspect. So some recognition of opportunities passed up on, would perhaps be in order and an ability to learn from our mistakes. Admitting to some of them is important for the transparency of our supposedly 'ethical' club. We do like doing things right, after all. The January transfer window also has to be looked at. Mr Bloom may not like it but let's be good boy Scouts and at least 'be prepared'. It's not going away and whilst other teams take advantage, it is our Achilles heel. Last season (2012-13) i get the distinct impression that big Len was purely a result of Gus firing his toys into orbit. This season, well... If injuries and other factors dictate that we are short in January, then let us at least have some viable targets. Grabban was a spectacular failure. Could we really offer less than Bournemouth? And i am not one to encourage spending profligacy but really? If the somewhat shy Oscar was not addressing these issues or was being 'unrealistic', then what was the DoF doing? This is not confined to this season or January. Our ability to get players that we want is not a shiny, happy place. It is a dark wasteland, littered with no strikers and a shortage of box to box midfielders and yes i do take into account the horrendous injury list and wage bill but it goes beyond this. Loan land is a happier but sometimes strange place. One we should obviously utilize but not become overly reliant on. CMS was a notable exception to our signings effort but that was a while ago now and BB (Before Burke). Playing hardball is all very well but no good if you have no one to play with. It's not just a question of money. You can throw money around, it burns pretty well but spending it wisely is the key and persuading people to part with it the tricky bit. The short term vision and organisation of the January transfer window cost us more than we saved. There are people employed responsible for this sort of thing. Some criticism is deserved and cannot be wholly defended by platitudes. But ultimately it is his employer who answers for this and i have heard no answer other than 'he is doing a good job'. I appreciate that expecting an answer is something that i was accused of a while ago by 'B rian Tawses' left foot but i am not that naive, i will however pose the question. These are issues that need to be addressed or at least acknowledged. I do not ask for the head of Oscar Garcia or even Mr Burke. I just ask to be treated like an adult and see us reach our goal. Perhaps we will get some answers, perhaps we won't but it's a long summer and i guess we will see what we have harvested when Autumn comes.[/p][/quote]Good read, FairweatherSupporter . Excellent work. I've quoted you partly as acknowledgement of said fine work but mainly to make mischief by extending people's scrolling time. Sorry. Te he. Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 1

10:13am Fri 16 May 14

tinker111 says...

MHubbs wrote:
Paul, may mean another experimental year of a coach getting used to championship football. That would be my concern with him.

The question is who wants to come in with the heavy constraints of working with our board. Not many top guys I reakon.
well sad no good manager would want to come here and have hands tied just use players given to coach etc M M was never going to be that one and have big doubt's as to Sherwood or Howe would go along with hand's tied.
[quote][p][bold]MHubbs[/bold] wrote: Paul, may mean another experimental year of a coach getting used to championship football. That would be my concern with him. The question is who wants to come in with the heavy constraints of working with our board. Not many top guys I reakon.[/p][/quote]well sad no good manager would want to come here and have hands tied just use players given to coach etc M M was never going to be that one and have big doubt's as to Sherwood or Howe would go along with hand's tied. tinker111
  • Score: -6

10:16am Fri 16 May 14

Oscar's Chin says...

OldGull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
mark by the sea says...


Alfie T wrote:

MHubbs wrote:
Paul, may mean another experimental year of a coach getting used to championship football. That would be my concern with him.

The question is who wants to come in with the heavy constraints of working with our board. Not many top guys I reakon.
Cardiff city earned £62 million finishing bottom of the Premiership, that's more money than United earned as champions in the 2012-2013 season. Bloom has not amassed his fortune without some astute business decisions, changes at board level will come I'm certain of that. Albions next managerial appointment could be one of the most important decisions of his life.Exactly my point, we keep hearing about FFP , but unless you spend or you get good players cheap ( Barnes to Burnley ) your not going anywhere.
I also think the fact OG has gone has not really allowed the real facts of the season to be debated more..
1) squad really thin in quality
2) lack of creativity
3) football for 75% of home games was appalling ( check our results and goals scored)
4) we have one goal scorer , CMS has 12 months on his contract now and at 1m a year needs to deliver.
5) we need to somehow spend some money! If we seriously think we are going to find a striker at the right age for pennies when jones is sorting out the existing squad won't happen,
TB needs to give his manager 10 million plus for his new players, some of that will come from wages saved by the release of the 6-7 gone,
6) we need a powerhouse defender, upson is carrying various injuries and may be on the edge so to speak.
7) the club needs to appoint ASAP a manager capable of delivering in the championship, sherwood for me is the best of the avaiable, but he may be waiting for big Sam to go , or the west brom job.
We can't have 4-6 weeks of waiting again .

10 million for new players? In your dreams only. The club will be looking for players like Stephens from lower league clubs and out of contract players from abroad. The days of big money signings are over. You have a bad habit of spending other people's money for them.
I certainly agree with your view that we need a powerhouse defender. Upson and Greer are way past their best and I am amazed that the club has offered both new deals. Also agree that the situation needs to be resolved quickly. The new man needs a full pre-season to prepare for next seaon - not the few weeks OG got.
Ha ha , do you think out of contract players come free?
Even loans carry a figure, IE Palace paid 1m loan fee to Blackpool for him,
Players and agents want moving/ welcome/ fees,
We signed augustin on a two year deal , he was free ! And at around 10k a week will cost a cool million in wages ! That's a bargain eh?
You seem to accept we have a ceiling which is being mid table .
Quality players cost money or big wages, forget FFP , that will only affect the journeymen , good players like Grabban will cost 3 million, shame we did not push the boat out in jan and snapped him up for the 1m .. Bournemouth must be laughing all the way to the bank!
I think you will find we wanted to sign him, but his demands were higher than our wage structure would allow.
Bournemouth were prepared to pay him more so he stayed.

Are you saying Albion should pay whatever a player demands?
Our wage bill would soon spiral out of control.
TB is running this club on a sustainable basis.
Accept that it is a gradual progression.
It could be argued we over achieved under Gus which raised expectation too high too quick.
5year plan......We are entering the 4th season at the Amex so are still on track.

UTA
Also Gus had the best budget we've ever had and ultimately failed, then quit.

Given injuries this season to two of our seven figure purchases (CMS and Hoskins) you couldn't reasonably assert that Oscar has had the full tool kit afforded to Gustavo either.

Re: Grabban, TB told a BBC interviewer earlier this week that "we had a ball park figure agreed with him and his agent" but that "unfortunately Bournemouth then offered SUBSTANTIALLY more in wages to try to persuade him to stay". This amount was well above our budget / wage structure and we WON'T pay more to a player than he is worth.

He went on to make clear that this was a substantially contributing factor to Oscar's subsequent discontent .

I thank you. You have not been charged for this information but thumbs down are welcome and positively encouraged!

Ooh by the way, I've been scratching my chinny chin chin and have decided it'll be Sherwood or Clement, probably the former.

Would have liked Fat Sam Allardyce albeit only so I could change names to Sam's Massive Face.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: mark by the sea says... Alfie T wrote: MHubbs wrote: Paul, may mean another experimental year of a coach getting used to championship football. That would be my concern with him. The question is who wants to come in with the heavy constraints of working with our board. Not many top guys I reakon. Cardiff city earned £62 million finishing bottom of the Premiership, that's more money than United earned as champions in the 2012-2013 season. Bloom has not amassed his fortune without some astute business decisions, changes at board level will come I'm certain of that. Albions next managerial appointment could be one of the most important decisions of his life.Exactly my point, we keep hearing about FFP , but unless you spend or you get good players cheap ( Barnes to Burnley ) your not going anywhere. I also think the fact OG has gone has not really allowed the real facts of the season to be debated more.. 1) squad really thin in quality 2) lack of creativity 3) football for 75% of home games was appalling ( check our results and goals scored) 4) we have one goal scorer , CMS has 12 months on his contract now and at 1m a year needs to deliver. 5) we need to somehow spend some money! If we seriously think we are going to find a striker at the right age for pennies when jones is sorting out the existing squad won't happen, TB needs to give his manager 10 million plus for his new players, some of that will come from wages saved by the release of the 6-7 gone, 6) we need a powerhouse defender, upson is carrying various injuries and may be on the edge so to speak. 7) the club needs to appoint ASAP a manager capable of delivering in the championship, sherwood for me is the best of the avaiable, but he may be waiting for big Sam to go , or the west brom job. We can't have 4-6 weeks of waiting again . 10 million for new players? In your dreams only. The club will be looking for players like Stephens from lower league clubs and out of contract players from abroad. The days of big money signings are over. You have a bad habit of spending other people's money for them. I certainly agree with your view that we need a powerhouse defender. Upson and Greer are way past their best and I am amazed that the club has offered both new deals. Also agree that the situation needs to be resolved quickly. The new man needs a full pre-season to prepare for next seaon - not the few weeks OG got.[/p][/quote]Ha ha , do you think out of contract players come free? Even loans carry a figure, IE Palace paid 1m loan fee to Blackpool for him, Players and agents want moving/ welcome/ fees, We signed augustin on a two year deal , he was free ! And at around 10k a week will cost a cool million in wages ! That's a bargain eh? You seem to accept we have a ceiling which is being mid table . Quality players cost money or big wages, forget FFP , that will only affect the journeymen , good players like Grabban will cost 3 million, shame we did not push the boat out in jan and snapped him up for the 1m .. Bournemouth must be laughing all the way to the bank![/p][/quote]I think you will find we wanted to sign him, but his demands were higher than our wage structure would allow. Bournemouth were prepared to pay him more so he stayed. Are you saying Albion should pay whatever a player demands? Our wage bill would soon spiral out of control. TB is running this club on a sustainable basis. Accept that it is a gradual progression. It could be argued we over achieved under Gus which raised expectation too high too quick. 5year plan......We are entering the 4th season at the Amex so are still on track. UTA[/p][/quote]Also Gus had the best budget we've ever had and ultimately failed, then quit. Given injuries this season to two of our seven figure purchases (CMS and Hoskins) you couldn't reasonably assert that Oscar has had the full tool kit afforded to Gustavo either. Re: Grabban, TB told a BBC interviewer earlier this week that "we had a ball park figure agreed with him and his agent" but that "unfortunately Bournemouth then offered SUBSTANTIALLY more in wages to try to persuade him to stay". This amount was well above our budget / wage structure and we WON'T pay more to a player than he is worth. He went on to make clear that this was a substantially contributing factor to Oscar's subsequent discontent . I thank you. You have not been charged for this information but thumbs down are welcome and positively encouraged! Ooh by the way, I've been scratching my chinny chin chin and have decided it'll be Sherwood or Clement, probably the former. Would have liked Fat Sam Allardyce albeit only so I could change names to Sam's Massive Face. Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 6

10:18am Fri 16 May 14

Oscar's Chin says...

OldGull wrote:
The more I read about Clement, The more he seems a good bet

from a BBC report on PSG.....
" PSG have an Italian manager in Carlo Ancelotti, a Brazilian sporting director in Leonardo and a distinctly multinational squad.
The loudest voice around, however, tends to be that of an Englishman: the training ground is Paul Clement's domain and Ancelotti's assistant coach is not shy in bellowing out instructions in his rather raw French, coloured with a thick London accent.
PSG's wealthy backers have sought to assemble a technical team of leading experts in their field as they bid to turn the French outfit into a European power.
Ancelotti describes the 40-year-old as "one of the most dynamic and intelligent coaches" with whom he has worked and did not hesitate in contacting Clement following his appointment last Christmas.
Clement had already spent two seasons alongside Ancelotti at Chelsea - notably helping the west London club win the double in 2009-10 - and admits he was hoping for another chance to collaborate with the former AC Milan boss.

UTA
Sounds good, doesn't he?

He's my real first choice too.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: The more I read about Clement, The more he seems a good bet from a BBC report on PSG..... " PSG have an Italian manager in Carlo Ancelotti, a Brazilian sporting director in Leonardo and a distinctly multinational squad. The loudest voice around, however, tends to be that of an Englishman: the training ground is Paul Clement's domain and Ancelotti's assistant coach is not shy in bellowing out instructions in his rather raw French, coloured with a thick London accent. PSG's wealthy backers have sought to assemble a technical team of leading experts in their field as they bid to turn the French outfit into a European power. Ancelotti describes the 40-year-old as "one of the most dynamic and intelligent coaches" with whom he has worked and did not hesitate in contacting Clement following his appointment last Christmas. Clement had already spent two seasons alongside Ancelotti at Chelsea - notably helping the west London club win the double in 2009-10 - and admits he was hoping for another chance to collaborate with the former AC Milan boss. UTA[/p][/quote]Sounds good, doesn't he? He's my real first choice too. Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 6

10:24am Fri 16 May 14

wiseman of hove says...

We have had the Barcelona appointment, now it looks like a Real Madrid appointment. Clement should first be a manager in LaLiga.
Can we try the British link this time and appoint Sherwod or whoever?
We have had the Barcelona appointment, now it looks like a Real Madrid appointment. Clement should first be a manager in LaLiga. Can we try the British link this time and appoint Sherwod or whoever? wiseman of hove
  • Score: -1

10:25am Fri 16 May 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Lot of good posts on hear and I can understand what people are saying.
One saying not being bandied around much is "Premier League Ready". Unless we get this right and we get a manager capable of picking quality players and motivate them to play attractive football within a meagre budget (compared to others) this is a long way off. Over to you Tony. UTA
Lot of good posts on hear and I can understand what people are saying. One saying not being bandied around much is "Premier League Ready". Unless we get this right and we get a manager capable of picking quality players and motivate them to play attractive football within a meagre budget (compared to others) this is a long way off. Over to you Tony. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 0

10:27am Fri 16 May 14

ballantrrae says...

Towner83 wrote:
Please not Clement! No offence to the guy, I'm sure he's a great coach & will be a good manager but we need someone who knows the league.
Paul Clement will know the Championship well having worked at both Chelsea and Fulham. Both his father (QPR & England) and brother (Chelsea & WBA) were professional footballers and I don't think Ancelotti would have taken Clement to both Paris St-Germain or Real Madrid if he wasn't a top coach.
I know being a good coach doesn't mean you will make a good Manager (witness Howe the former England FB years ago) but all the top Managers like Ferguson, Wenger and Rodgers are/were good coaches as well as Managers. It is worth remembering that Rodgers started out at Clement's old club Chelsea. So Clement would be a very worthwhile candidate for us to look at in much the same way Sherwood is. One potential advantage regarding Sherwood is that Barber will know him quite well from his time at Tottenham.
Since Mackay looks as if he is pursuing other potential options like Norwich both Sherwood and Clement I think should be included on any short list to be interviewed. However I would expect Bloom to include one or two candidates that haven't been mentioned yet.
In his BBC Radio interview Bloom indicated (a) that he would not be constrained financially by who he wants to appoint 'I want the best Manager for Brighton' and (b) he was considering a wide spectrum of potential Managers from experienced candidates to top players who have recently retired.
One complete rank outsider I have noticed is Scott Gemmill who currently has responsibility for the Scottish Under 17 team with some significant success. The Scots have just reached the last 4 of the European Under 17 Championship (as have England) having beaten Germany along the way to do so and how often do British National sides beat Germany at any level ?
One point I notice that most posters agree on is that (within reason) the new Manager needs to be appointed as soon as possible not that the decision should be rushed.
What we can ill afford is to have a drawn out process like last year since that would adversely affect our pre-season and the new Manager's ability to sign the new players (8 - 9) now needed to restructure the squad and bring the numbers back up to what is sensible from a practical standpoint - we found out against Derby on Sunday how vulnerable we were with only 3 CBs.
Interesting times but patience needed. UTA.
[quote][p][bold]Towner83[/bold] wrote: Please not Clement! No offence to the guy, I'm sure he's a great coach & will be a good manager but we need someone who knows the league.[/p][/quote]Paul Clement will know the Championship well having worked at both Chelsea and Fulham. Both his father (QPR & England) and brother (Chelsea & WBA) were professional footballers and I don't think Ancelotti would have taken Clement to both Paris St-Germain or Real Madrid if he wasn't a top coach. I know being a good coach doesn't mean you will make a good Manager (witness Howe the former England FB years ago) but all the top Managers like Ferguson, Wenger and Rodgers are/were good coaches as well as Managers. It is worth remembering that Rodgers started out at Clement's old club Chelsea. So Clement would be a very worthwhile candidate for us to look at in much the same way Sherwood is. One potential advantage regarding Sherwood is that Barber will know him quite well from his time at Tottenham. Since Mackay looks as if he is pursuing other potential options like Norwich both Sherwood and Clement I think should be included on any short list to be interviewed. However I would expect Bloom to include one or two candidates that haven't been mentioned yet. In his BBC Radio interview Bloom indicated (a) that he would not be constrained financially by who he wants to appoint 'I want the best Manager for Brighton' and (b) he was considering a wide spectrum of potential Managers from experienced candidates to top players who have recently retired. One complete rank outsider I have noticed is Scott Gemmill who currently has responsibility for the Scottish Under 17 team with some significant success. The Scots have just reached the last 4 of the European Under 17 Championship (as have England) having beaten Germany along the way to do so and how often do British National sides beat Germany at any level ? One point I notice that most posters agree on is that (within reason) the new Manager needs to be appointed as soon as possible not that the decision should be rushed. What we can ill afford is to have a drawn out process like last year since that would adversely affect our pre-season and the new Manager's ability to sign the new players (8 - 9) now needed to restructure the squad and bring the numbers back up to what is sensible from a practical standpoint - we found out against Derby on Sunday how vulnerable we were with only 3 CBs. Interesting times but patience needed. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 11

10:28am Fri 16 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

Disappointing to read that Mackay isn't likely to arrive, he is probably the best of the available managers at the moment, exactly what this club needs and is capable of getting promotion as he has already achieved at Cardiff. What is concerning is that the financial and managerial constraints of the Albion job are clearly putting off some talented managers, so again perhaps Bloom should do that little bit more to attract the best managers, ie a little more money for players and less or no interference from a D of F, it's already lost us Gus and Oscar and we really ought to be able to hang on to a decent manager far better than we have. There are still other good managers available of course and even some who might be sought from their current clubs, but we need to up our game just a little to make it happen. I wouldnt be at all disappointed if we land Sherwood or Hughton but these sorts of manager won't be available for ever.
Disappointing to read that Mackay isn't likely to arrive, he is probably the best of the available managers at the moment, exactly what this club needs and is capable of getting promotion as he has already achieved at Cardiff. What is concerning is that the financial and managerial constraints of the Albion job are clearly putting off some talented managers, so again perhaps Bloom should do that little bit more to attract the best managers, ie a little more money for players and less or no interference from a D of F, it's already lost us Gus and Oscar and we really ought to be able to hang on to a decent manager far better than we have. There are still other good managers available of course and even some who might be sought from their current clubs, but we need to up our game just a little to make it happen. I wouldnt be at all disappointed if we land Sherwood or Hughton but these sorts of manager won't be available for ever. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: -1

10:59am Fri 16 May 14

wiseman of hove says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Disappointing to read that Mackay isn't likely to arrive, he is probably the best of the available managers at the moment, exactly what this club needs and is capable of getting promotion as he has already achieved at Cardiff. What is concerning is that the financial and managerial constraints of the Albion job are clearly putting off some talented managers, so again perhaps Bloom should do that little bit more to attract the best managers, ie a little more money for players and less or no interference from a D of F, it's already lost us Gus and Oscar and we really ought to be able to hang on to a decent manager far better than we have. There are still other good managers available of course and even some who might be sought from their current clubs, but we need to up our game just a little to make it happen. I wouldnt be at all disappointed if we land Sherwood or Hughton but these sorts of manager won't be available for ever.
Hughton seems a man of integrity but surely tarnished by abysmal Norwich this season? Surprised that Mackay not interested at all, and that is indeed a bit of a worry. In the circs, landing Sherwood would be a coup.
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: Disappointing to read that Mackay isn't likely to arrive, he is probably the best of the available managers at the moment, exactly what this club needs and is capable of getting promotion as he has already achieved at Cardiff. What is concerning is that the financial and managerial constraints of the Albion job are clearly putting off some talented managers, so again perhaps Bloom should do that little bit more to attract the best managers, ie a little more money for players and less or no interference from a D of F, it's already lost us Gus and Oscar and we really ought to be able to hang on to a decent manager far better than we have. There are still other good managers available of course and even some who might be sought from their current clubs, but we need to up our game just a little to make it happen. I wouldnt be at all disappointed if we land Sherwood or Hughton but these sorts of manager won't be available for ever.[/p][/quote]Hughton seems a man of integrity but surely tarnished by abysmal Norwich this season? Surprised that Mackay not interested at all, and that is indeed a bit of a worry. In the circs, landing Sherwood would be a coup. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 4

11:07am Fri 16 May 14

ballantrrae says...

mark by the sea wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
mark by the sea says...


Alfie T wrote:

MHubbs wrote:
Paul, may mean another experimental year of a coach getting used to championship football. That would be my concern with him.

The question is who wants to come in with the heavy constraints of working with our board. Not many top guys I reakon.
Cardiff city earned £62 million finishing bottom of the Premiership, that's more money than United earned as champions in the 2012-2013 season. Bloom has not amassed his fortune without some astute business decisions, changes at board level will come I'm certain of that. Albions next managerial appointment could be one of the most important decisions of his life.Exactly my point, we keep hearing about FFP , but unless you spend or you get good players cheap ( Barnes to Burnley ) your not going anywhere.
I also think the fact OG has gone has not really allowed the real facts of the season to be debated more..
1) squad really thin in quality
2) lack of creativity
3) football for 75% of home games was appalling ( check our results and goals scored)
4) we have one goal scorer , CMS has 12 months on his contract now and at 1m a year needs to deliver.
5) we need to somehow spend some money! If we seriously think we are going to find a striker at the right age for pennies when jones is sorting out the existing squad won't happen,
TB needs to give his manager 10 million plus for his new players, some of that will come from wages saved by the release of the 6-7 gone,
6) we need a powerhouse defender, upson is carrying various injuries and may be on the edge so to speak.
7) the club needs to appoint ASAP a manager capable of delivering in the championship, sherwood for me is the best of the avaiable, but he may be waiting for big Sam to go , or the west brom job.
We can't have 4-6 weeks of waiting again .

10 million for new players? In your dreams only. The club will be looking for players like Stephens from lower league clubs and out of contract players from abroad. The days of big money signings are over. You have a bad habit of spending other people's money for them.
I certainly agree with your view that we need a powerhouse defender. Upson and Greer are way past their best and I am amazed that the club has offered both new deals. Also agree that the situation needs to be resolved quickly. The new man needs a full pre-season to prepare for next seaon - not the few weeks OG got.
Ha ha , do you think out of contract players come free?
Even loans carry a figure, IE Palace paid 1m loan fee to Blackpool for him,
Players and agents want moving/ welcome/ fees,
We signed augustin on a two year deal , he was free ! And at around 10k a week will cost a cool million in wages ! That's a bargain eh?
You seem to accept we have a ceiling which is being mid table .
Quality players cost money or big wages, forget FFP , that will only affect the journeymen , good players like Grabban will cost 3 million, shame we did not push the boat out in jan and snapped him up for the 1m .. Bournemouth must be laughing all the way to the bank!
Just a thought MBTS. Would Howe regret Grabban not joining Brighton if he became our Manager ? A question of shooting oneself in the foot if that were to happen !
I agree with your approach of looking forward and deciding what action we should in a positive way be considering now.
In terms of Transfer Budget I imagine that Bloom would be starting with much the same base figure that we have I believe had for the last 2 seasons ie about £4 million. To that one would add the about £4 million (net) we raised in January (fees for Bridcutt, Barnes, Barker and El-Abd in but Stephens & Monakana out). So there might be as much as £8 million available. A caveat, Bloom did say in his recent BBC Radio interview that he would not finalise the Budget until after the League's FFP vote due in 9 days time. Therefore this figure might go down or up depending on what is decided then. Personally I can't see the Budget rising to £10 million unless we sell someone like Buckley of Ulloa. Of course if Ulloa left the Budget would be increased even further.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: mark by the sea says... Alfie T wrote: MHubbs wrote: Paul, may mean another experimental year of a coach getting used to championship football. That would be my concern with him. The question is who wants to come in with the heavy constraints of working with our board. Not many top guys I reakon. Cardiff city earned £62 million finishing bottom of the Premiership, that's more money than United earned as champions in the 2012-2013 season. Bloom has not amassed his fortune without some astute business decisions, changes at board level will come I'm certain of that. Albions next managerial appointment could be one of the most important decisions of his life.Exactly my point, we keep hearing about FFP , but unless you spend or you get good players cheap ( Barnes to Burnley ) your not going anywhere. I also think the fact OG has gone has not really allowed the real facts of the season to be debated more.. 1) squad really thin in quality 2) lack of creativity 3) football for 75% of home games was appalling ( check our results and goals scored) 4) we have one goal scorer , CMS has 12 months on his contract now and at 1m a year needs to deliver. 5) we need to somehow spend some money! If we seriously think we are going to find a striker at the right age for pennies when jones is sorting out the existing squad won't happen, TB needs to give his manager 10 million plus for his new players, some of that will come from wages saved by the release of the 6-7 gone, 6) we need a powerhouse defender, upson is carrying various injuries and may be on the edge so to speak. 7) the club needs to appoint ASAP a manager capable of delivering in the championship, sherwood for me is the best of the avaiable, but he may be waiting for big Sam to go , or the west brom job. We can't have 4-6 weeks of waiting again . 10 million for new players? In your dreams only. The club will be looking for players like Stephens from lower league clubs and out of contract players from abroad. The days of big money signings are over. You have a bad habit of spending other people's money for them. I certainly agree with your view that we need a powerhouse defender. Upson and Greer are way past their best and I am amazed that the club has offered both new deals. Also agree that the situation needs to be resolved quickly. The new man needs a full pre-season to prepare for next seaon - not the few weeks OG got.[/p][/quote]Ha ha , do you think out of contract players come free? Even loans carry a figure, IE Palace paid 1m loan fee to Blackpool for him, Players and agents want moving/ welcome/ fees, We signed augustin on a two year deal , he was free ! And at around 10k a week will cost a cool million in wages ! That's a bargain eh? You seem to accept we have a ceiling which is being mid table . Quality players cost money or big wages, forget FFP , that will only affect the journeymen , good players like Grabban will cost 3 million, shame we did not push the boat out in jan and snapped him up for the 1m .. Bournemouth must be laughing all the way to the bank![/p][/quote]Just a thought MBTS. Would Howe regret Grabban not joining Brighton if he became our Manager ? A question of shooting oneself in the foot if that were to happen ! I agree with your approach of looking forward and deciding what action we should in a positive way be considering now. In terms of Transfer Budget I imagine that Bloom would be starting with much the same base figure that we have I believe had for the last 2 seasons ie about £4 million. To that one would add the about £4 million (net) we raised in January (fees for Bridcutt, Barnes, Barker and El-Abd in but Stephens & Monakana out). So there might be as much as £8 million available. A caveat, Bloom did say in his recent BBC Radio interview that he would not finalise the Budget until after the League's FFP vote due in 9 days time. Therefore this figure might go down or up depending on what is decided then. Personally I can't see the Budget rising to £10 million unless we sell someone like Buckley of Ulloa. Of course if Ulloa left the Budget would be increased even further. ballantrrae
  • Score: 6

11:24am Fri 16 May 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Some quality postings on here today. Most notably Fairweather's well thought out and eloquently presented thoughts. Such a much change from the anti-Dunk/"KFC" crap which was becoming more than boring!

Keep it up guys, loving the discussions, ideas and debates.

UTA!!
Some quality postings on here today. Most notably Fairweather's well thought out and eloquently presented thoughts. Such a much change from the anti-Dunk/"KFC" crap which was becoming more than boring! Keep it up guys, loving the discussions, ideas and debates. UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 1

11:38am Fri 16 May 14

WestStander17 says...

This article has brightened my day. Mackay will go to West Brom or Norwich. Nothing against him but wouldn't be my choice.

Clement sounds great to me. Yes, it would be his first job but he has worked under the best managers in the world and he is coaching at the biggest club in the world. Everyone has to have a first job. He would be grateful for the opportunity and unlikely to jump ship quickly especially with the project and facilities we have to offer.

Clement or Zola for me.
This article has brightened my day. Mackay will go to West Brom or Norwich. Nothing against him but wouldn't be my choice. Clement sounds great to me. Yes, it would be his first job but he has worked under the best managers in the world and he is coaching at the biggest club in the world. Everyone has to have a first job. He would be grateful for the opportunity and unlikely to jump ship quickly especially with the project and facilities we have to offer. Clement or Zola for me. WestStander17
  • Score: 5

11:45am Fri 16 May 14

pte says...

A Crystal Palarse fan reading this stuff would laugh his head off at all this stuff. If you think Sherwood or Clement or any high profile manager is coming then dream on.

The way the club is run is a poison chalice. The next manager knows he has to match last season's 6th place or its a failure. But the squad is too thin and needs major rebuilding. If you read MM's agent carefully he has snubbed BHA saying: 'I can see why many would find Brighton an attractive job but it's not for us' Ouch!

Brighton are well down on his list of options and Brighton would have to wait until those options went. He might even wait for the early season Premiership cull as Gus did. So TB needs to get real and get a Chris Hughton, a Powell or Johnson as these people would be willing to work with NJ DB PB TB all day long
A Crystal Palarse fan reading this stuff would laugh his head off at all this stuff. If you think Sherwood or Clement or any high profile manager is coming then dream on. The way the club is run is a poison chalice. The next manager knows he has to match last season's 6th place or its a failure. But the squad is too thin and needs major rebuilding. If you read MM's agent carefully he has snubbed BHA saying: 'I can see why many would find Brighton an attractive job but it's not for us' Ouch! Brighton are well down on his list of options and Brighton would have to wait until those options went. He might even wait for the early season Premiership cull as Gus did. So TB needs to get real and get a Chris Hughton, a Powell or Johnson as these people would be willing to work with NJ DB PB TB all day long pte
  • Score: -17

11:48am Fri 16 May 14

pte says...

Sorry, Brighton well down on TS's list of options
Sorry, Brighton well down on TS's list of options pte
  • Score: -13

11:53am Fri 16 May 14

ballantrrae says...

fairweathersupporter wrote:
I believe we will get a good quality replacement manager. A tacical genius? A yes man? Experienced? Was not too keen on Mackay and better have been mentioned. I have some resevations about Clements lack of experience as outlined in this (very) long but hopefully thought provoking post trawled from the depths of recurring topics on here and elsewhere .
We all trust in Tony but I do however notice some small but still audible dissension in the direction of our owner for the issues i summarise below . He has a lot invested in the club and it will not realise it's full (financial) potential until we are in the Premiership. So it does not take a genius or (even indeed ringtone et al) to work out he will do everything possible to get us there. His methods are not and should not be completely beyond question but alternatives are a bit thin on the ground and as I have suggested on several occasions, a potential nightmare; Imagine some foreign owner changing our kit colours and merging with Crawley to form Sussex Utd or how about merging with Palarse for M23 FC (can't think how merging with Crawley would financially benefit us but you get my point and as for the other...). Stupid perhaps but not so completely off the wall by today's standards. Milking us in the Championship, as some have suggested, pales into insignificance to the financial rewards of the Premier League. So if he wishes to profit on his investment, then guess where the real money is. His leadership (and money) thus far has enough slack to take up several seasons 'trapped' in the Championship and even i'd guess the unthinkable; relegation. His leadership also has enough slack to accept his judgement on the likes of Burke (with perhaps a caveat). Tony beyond criticism? No. Beyond ill informed, impatient and ignorant ranting? Yes. Not that i believe that he reads this site or NSC but the themes would be known to him. He engages with the fans and would describe himself as one.Oscar's 'dignified' exit is due as much to lack of dynamism and failure to deliver on his attacking mantra, as his dissatisfaction with stormy January's and communication issues. This opinion was shared by the majority of support who never completely took to him. The fairer were willing to give him a chance and drink sangria, the ugly were calling his brand dull and wanting at least a change in tactics. Maybe not fan power (and such a thing does i believe still exist and no i don't believe in father Christmas) but it was noted by the powers that be and a factor but not the decisive one.

Manager wise; we need someone in charge with some balls, especially with a DoF or HoFO in the mix. Someone who will fight for every penny to spend on players and make the DoF's life hell (or at least earn their keep). As with any deal, there is always room for negotiation, a shrinking 'yes man' will not compete for the best deal and neither will the quiet pragmatist. For all Gus's ego, he was not found wanting in this department. I have been consistent in his defence but acknowledge his failings. This is not anti anyone or anything, just good business. DoF or HoFO is where we are. In any case, free spending managers are as much of a menace as DoF's and the decline of many a club can be attributed to them and their short sighted boards, so think on.

Basically the TB interview was what we were expecting. I am neither totally placated nor overly angered by it's content, as much of it is pretty reasonable, predictable stuff and much of the hyperbole on this site is answered. On the plus side it appears that there are two sides to every story (and i never knew that...). On the minus, it does not address the main issue of the damage caused by another fall out (or misunderstanding), albeit with less fireworks, at a crucial time of the season. These are boardroom issues but also deserve some explanation and have caused concern on here and throughout the fan base.You really want to be going into a play off semi with all guns blazing and your broadside timed to perfection. Twice, we have now sailed against the prevailing wind, with our guns aimed in different directions. Swept away by a tide of malignant frustration. This built up over the preceding months, manager or head coach and some of the players, not rowing nor indeed sailing in the same direction. Victory was taken from us, or only seen through the blind eye, on both occasions. All aboard the good ship BHA! Let us head for treasure island via calmer waters; next time...
Too many players coming towards the end of their contracts at the same time does not help the issue. The argument about them playing for a contract is pretty useless if they're playing well enough to get a better one elsewhere. It does not make good business sense and it has a pernicious effect on the dressing room. Some will always be coming to the end of a deal but too many this season and it needed addressing earlier. The Barnes situation was left to drag on and served little purpose. As for managers being disillusioned at the point of no return? Well let's try and sort it before this comes to realisation, or at the very least head them off at the pass. The discontent was audible from both OG and Gus long before the final curtain. But we didn't dress for the occasion and waited around outside, only to be told the show was over.
The team has arguably been good enough on both occasions. Evidence may suggest otherwise but the circumstances need serious consideration. On both occasions, over the two games, we have been outplayed. That is a broader issue than being beaten by a better team. The Palace fracas was as much down to issues within the club and with Gus more than the footballing 'genius' of Zaha. Derby better team, of course but were we prepared for the challenge; not as much as we could have been, i suspect. So some recognition of opportunities passed up on, would perhaps be in order and an ability to learn from our mistakes. Admitting to some of them is important for the transparency of our supposedly 'ethical' club. We do like doing things right, after all.
The January transfer window also has to be looked at. Mr Bloom may not like it but let's be good boy Scouts and at least 'be prepared'. It's not going away and whilst other teams take advantage, it is our Achilles heel. Last season (2012-13) i get the distinct impression that big Len was purely a result of Gus firing his toys into orbit. This season, well... If injuries and other factors dictate that we are short in January, then let us at least have some viable targets. Grabban was a spectacular failure. Could we really offer less than Bournemouth? And i am not one to encourage spending profligacy but really? If the somewhat shy Oscar was not addressing these issues or was being 'unrealistic', then what was the DoF doing? This is not confined to this season or January. Our ability to get players that we want is not a shiny, happy place. It is a dark wasteland, littered with no strikers and a shortage of box to box midfielders and yes i do take into account the horrendous injury list and wage bill but it goes beyond this. Loan land is a happier but sometimes strange place. One we should obviously utilize but not become overly reliant on. CMS was a notable exception to our signings effort but that was a while ago now and BB (Before Burke). Playing hardball is all very well but no good if you have no one to play with. It's not just a question of money. You can throw money around, it burns pretty well but spending it wisely is the key and persuading people to part with it the tricky bit. The short term vision and organisation of the January transfer window cost us more than we saved. There are people employed responsible for this sort of thing. Some criticism is deserved and cannot be wholly defended by platitudes. But ultimately it is his employer who answers for this and i have heard no answer other than 'he is doing a good job'. I appreciate that expecting an answer is something that i was accused of a while ago by 'B rian Tawses' left foot but i am not that naive, i will however pose the question.
These are issues that need to be addressed or at least acknowledged. I do not ask for the head of Oscar Garcia or even Mr Burke. I just ask to be treated like an adult and see us reach our goal. Perhaps we will get some answers, perhaps we won't but it's a long summer and i guess we will see what we have harvested when Autumn comes.
Fairweathersupporter I always enjoy reading and appreciate your postings. However I don't think I have enjoyed any as much as this one - heartfelt, reasoned, balanced and well written.
I too share your (implied) reservations about our HOF and the recruitment department.
Whether or not there is actually a real issue here or not is not really relevant. The fact that Oscar clearly did think THERE WAS (and arguably Poyet before him) is the real issue.
Tony Bloom, whether he likes it or not, needs to acknowledge this 'perceived weakness' and to address it so that the newly appointed Manager, whoever he might be, doesn't reach a similar viewpoint.
DB might be doing a great job but it means nothing unless the Manager he is working alongside believes he is and feels that he is receiving the best support possible from the recruitment side of BHA.
At the end of the day that means delivering within Budget the players the Manager wants to sign.
Should this perceived issue (of the HOF and his team underperforming) raise its head again I would suggest that TB would need to ask some very serious questions both of the personnel involved and the recruitment structure.
I am sure TB won't turn a blind eye to this and I am equally certain that both during the process of appointing a new Manager and after he joins that TB will ensure that the new Manager fully understands the procedures involved. Most importantly he should make sure in future that there is harmony, an agreed budget, proper communication and a common strategy employed by everybody involved when trying to sign players
I have posted before that with the club getting so many things right it is a pity that one 'perceived' weakness seems to be holding us back. That perception needs addressing and, if the weakness is a real one and not just a perceived one, needs rectifying if we are to reach the Premier League.
UTA.
[quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: I believe we will get a good quality replacement manager. A tacical genius? A yes man? Experienced? Was not too keen on Mackay and better have been mentioned. I have some resevations about Clements lack of experience as outlined in this (very) long but hopefully thought provoking post trawled from the depths of recurring topics on here and elsewhere . We all trust in Tony but I do however notice some small but still audible dissension in the direction of our owner for the issues i summarise below . He has a lot invested in the club and it will not realise it's full (financial) potential until we are in the Premiership. So it does not take a genius or (even indeed ringtone et al) to work out he will do everything possible to get us there. His methods are not and should not be completely beyond question but alternatives are a bit thin on the ground and as I have suggested on several occasions, a potential nightmare; Imagine some foreign owner changing our kit colours and merging with Crawley to form Sussex Utd or how about merging with Palarse for M23 FC (can't think how merging with Crawley would financially benefit us but you get my point and as for the other...). Stupid perhaps but not so completely off the wall by today's standards. Milking us in the Championship, as some have suggested, pales into insignificance to the financial rewards of the Premier League. So if he wishes to profit on his investment, then guess where the real money is. His leadership (and money) thus far has enough slack to take up several seasons 'trapped' in the Championship and even i'd guess the unthinkable; relegation. His leadership also has enough slack to accept his judgement on the likes of Burke (with perhaps a caveat). Tony beyond criticism? No. Beyond ill informed, impatient and ignorant ranting? Yes. Not that i believe that he reads this site or NSC but the themes would be known to him. He engages with the fans and would describe himself as one.Oscar's 'dignified' exit is due as much to lack of dynamism and failure to deliver on his attacking mantra, as his dissatisfaction with stormy January's and communication issues. This opinion was shared by the majority of support who never completely took to him. The fairer were willing to give him a chance and drink sangria, the ugly were calling his brand dull and wanting at least a change in tactics. Maybe not fan power (and such a thing does i believe still exist and no i don't believe in father Christmas) but it was noted by the powers that be and a factor but not the decisive one. Manager wise; we need someone in charge with some balls, especially with a DoF or HoFO in the mix. Someone who will fight for every penny to spend on players and make the DoF's life hell (or at least earn their keep). As with any deal, there is always room for negotiation, a shrinking 'yes man' will not compete for the best deal and neither will the quiet pragmatist. For all Gus's ego, he was not found wanting in this department. I have been consistent in his defence but acknowledge his failings. This is not anti anyone or anything, just good business. DoF or HoFO is where we are. In any case, free spending managers are as much of a menace as DoF's and the decline of many a club can be attributed to them and their short sighted boards, so think on. Basically the TB interview was what we were expecting. I am neither totally placated nor overly angered by it's content, as much of it is pretty reasonable, predictable stuff and much of the hyperbole on this site is answered. On the plus side it appears that there are two sides to every story (and i never knew that...). On the minus, it does not address the main issue of the damage caused by another fall out (or misunderstanding), albeit with less fireworks, at a crucial time of the season. These are boardroom issues but also deserve some explanation and have caused concern on here and throughout the fan base.You really want to be going into a play off semi with all guns blazing and your broadside timed to perfection. Twice, we have now sailed against the prevailing wind, with our guns aimed in different directions. Swept away by a tide of malignant frustration. This built up over the preceding months, manager or head coach and some of the players, not rowing nor indeed sailing in the same direction. Victory was taken from us, or only seen through the blind eye, on both occasions. All aboard the good ship BHA! Let us head for treasure island via calmer waters; next time... Too many players coming towards the end of their contracts at the same time does not help the issue. The argument about them playing for a contract is pretty useless if they're playing well enough to get a better one elsewhere. It does not make good business sense and it has a pernicious effect on the dressing room. Some will always be coming to the end of a deal but too many this season and it needed addressing earlier. The Barnes situation was left to drag on and served little purpose. As for managers being disillusioned at the point of no return? Well let's try and sort it before this comes to realisation, or at the very least head them off at the pass. The discontent was audible from both OG and Gus long before the final curtain. But we didn't dress for the occasion and waited around outside, only to be told the show was over. The team has arguably been good enough on both occasions. Evidence may suggest otherwise but the circumstances need serious consideration. On both occasions, over the two games, we have been outplayed. That is a broader issue than being beaten by a better team. The Palace fracas was as much down to issues within the club and with Gus more than the footballing 'genius' of Zaha. Derby better team, of course but were we prepared for the challenge; not as much as we could have been, i suspect. So some recognition of opportunities passed up on, would perhaps be in order and an ability to learn from our mistakes. Admitting to some of them is important for the transparency of our supposedly 'ethical' club. We do like doing things right, after all. The January transfer window also has to be looked at. Mr Bloom may not like it but let's be good boy Scouts and at least 'be prepared'. It's not going away and whilst other teams take advantage, it is our Achilles heel. Last season (2012-13) i get the distinct impression that big Len was purely a result of Gus firing his toys into orbit. This season, well... If injuries and other factors dictate that we are short in January, then let us at least have some viable targets. Grabban was a spectacular failure. Could we really offer less than Bournemouth? And i am not one to encourage spending profligacy but really? If the somewhat shy Oscar was not addressing these issues or was being 'unrealistic', then what was the DoF doing? This is not confined to this season or January. Our ability to get players that we want is not a shiny, happy place. It is a dark wasteland, littered with no strikers and a shortage of box to box midfielders and yes i do take into account the horrendous injury list and wage bill but it goes beyond this. Loan land is a happier but sometimes strange place. One we should obviously utilize but not become overly reliant on. CMS was a notable exception to our signings effort but that was a while ago now and BB (Before Burke). Playing hardball is all very well but no good if you have no one to play with. It's not just a question of money. You can throw money around, it burns pretty well but spending it wisely is the key and persuading people to part with it the tricky bit. The short term vision and organisation of the January transfer window cost us more than we saved. There are people employed responsible for this sort of thing. Some criticism is deserved and cannot be wholly defended by platitudes. But ultimately it is his employer who answers for this and i have heard no answer other than 'he is doing a good job'. I appreciate that expecting an answer is something that i was accused of a while ago by 'B rian Tawses' left foot but i am not that naive, i will however pose the question. These are issues that need to be addressed or at least acknowledged. I do not ask for the head of Oscar Garcia or even Mr Burke. I just ask to be treated like an adult and see us reach our goal. Perhaps we will get some answers, perhaps we won't but it's a long summer and i guess we will see what we have harvested when Autumn comes.[/p][/quote]Fairweathersupporter I always enjoy reading and appreciate your postings. However I don't think I have enjoyed any as much as this one - heartfelt, reasoned, balanced and well written. I too share your (implied) reservations about our HOF and the recruitment department. Whether or not there is actually a real issue here or not is not really relevant. The fact that Oscar clearly did think THERE WAS (and arguably Poyet before him) is the real issue. Tony Bloom, whether he likes it or not, needs to acknowledge this 'perceived weakness' and to address it so that the newly appointed Manager, whoever he might be, doesn't reach a similar viewpoint. DB might be doing a great job but it means nothing unless the Manager he is working alongside believes he is and feels that he is receiving the best support possible from the recruitment side of BHA. At the end of the day that means delivering within Budget the players the Manager wants to sign. Should this perceived issue (of the HOF and his team underperforming) raise its head again I would suggest that TB would need to ask some very serious questions both of the personnel involved and the recruitment structure. I am sure TB won't turn a blind eye to this and I am equally certain that both during the process of appointing a new Manager and after he joins that TB will ensure that the new Manager fully understands the procedures involved. Most importantly he should make sure in future that there is harmony, an agreed budget, proper communication and a common strategy employed by everybody involved when trying to sign players I have posted before that with the club getting so many things right it is a pity that one 'perceived' weakness seems to be holding us back. That perception needs addressing and, if the weakness is a real one and not just a perceived one, needs rectifying if we are to reach the Premier League. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 10

11:57am Fri 16 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Disappointing to read that Mackay isn't likely to arrive, he is probably the best of the available managers at the moment, exactly what this club needs and is capable of getting promotion as he has already achieved at Cardiff. What is concerning is that the financial and managerial constraints of the Albion job are clearly putting off some talented managers, so again perhaps Bloom should do that little bit more to attract the best managers, ie a little more money for players and less or no interference from a D of F, it's already lost us Gus and Oscar and we really ought to be able to hang on to a decent manager far better than we have. There are still other good managers available of course and even some who might be sought from their current clubs, but we need to up our game just a little to make it happen. I wouldnt be at all disappointed if we land Sherwood or Hughton but these sorts of manager won't be available for ever.
Hughton seems a man of integrity but surely tarnished by abysmal Norwich this season? Surprised that Mackay not interested at all, and that is indeed a bit of a worry. In the circs, landing Sherwood would be a coup.
I don't know that Hughton has been tarnished by the poor season in the premier league, he does know how to get promotion though, I think it's more a case of putting so much effort into a promotion challenge and then finding the energy to adapt to the premier league which takes it's toll. This happened with Holloway at palace and Mackay at Cardiff. The problem is that you seem to need one manager to get promotion and then another to compete in the premier league. Hughton will be refreshed after a break and will have learnt from the experience. Maybe a lot of managers feel that they won't be backed if they achieve promotion, there is no sense of security for any manager coming up from the championship now.
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: Disappointing to read that Mackay isn't likely to arrive, he is probably the best of the available managers at the moment, exactly what this club needs and is capable of getting promotion as he has already achieved at Cardiff. What is concerning is that the financial and managerial constraints of the Albion job are clearly putting off some talented managers, so again perhaps Bloom should do that little bit more to attract the best managers, ie a little more money for players and less or no interference from a D of F, it's already lost us Gus and Oscar and we really ought to be able to hang on to a decent manager far better than we have. There are still other good managers available of course and even some who might be sought from their current clubs, but we need to up our game just a little to make it happen. I wouldnt be at all disappointed if we land Sherwood or Hughton but these sorts of manager won't be available for ever.[/p][/quote]Hughton seems a man of integrity but surely tarnished by abysmal Norwich this season? Surprised that Mackay not interested at all, and that is indeed a bit of a worry. In the circs, landing Sherwood would be a coup.[/p][/quote]I don't know that Hughton has been tarnished by the poor season in the premier league, he does know how to get promotion though, I think it's more a case of putting so much effort into a promotion challenge and then finding the energy to adapt to the premier league which takes it's toll. This happened with Holloway at palace and Mackay at Cardiff. The problem is that you seem to need one manager to get promotion and then another to compete in the premier league. Hughton will be refreshed after a break and will have learnt from the experience. Maybe a lot of managers feel that they won't be backed if they achieve promotion, there is no sense of security for any manager coming up from the championship now. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 3

12:14pm Fri 16 May 14

wardfan says...

I just wish who ever Mr Bloom wants, to get on with it make your choice. I don't care who we get, because the position will dictate the person ability

The list of Manager's can't be that long, in my opinion possibly 5 or 10. There seems to be a problem with common-sense, Manager out, Manager in.

Every single supporter of Brighton & Hove Albion are aware that we need to rebuild, our Team is a Team that is disjointed. In my opinion we have the Tools for the job, with the infer structure, with no knowledge of how to complete the task. Any Manger worth his salt will jump at the chance at the opportunity for this position.
I just wish who ever Mr Bloom wants, to get on with it make your choice. I don't care who we get, because the position will dictate the person ability The list of Manager's can't be that long, in my opinion possibly 5 or 10. There seems to be a problem with common-sense, Manager out, Manager in. Every single supporter of Brighton & Hove Albion are aware that we need to rebuild, our Team is a Team that is disjointed. In my opinion we have the Tools for the job, with the infer structure, with no knowledge of how to complete the task. Any Manger worth his salt will jump at the chance at the opportunity for this position. wardfan
  • Score: 0

12:38pm Fri 16 May 14

SMF20 says...

For me and imho it's about getting quality in and not quantity.... Brendan Rodgers said the same in an interview recently and in my mind he is spot on.

We have a mid table budget as we know and we also know that we have just got rid of 9 players, to include loans but not DS lads.

We have an amount of money available that would seemingly get us 9 decent ish players... In my mind I'd rather we only got in 6 with them all being of slightly better standard.
We already have a decent ish squad in terms of quality with those lefts on the books and subject to us not selling anyone and so let's add 6 gems rather than 9 crystals.

On the manager front it's TS all day for me. I love his passion and hunger for the game. He's been a winner everywhere he has been and I genuinely think that he will motivate a player and get the best from him whilst not being afraid to changes things if plan A isn't doing its job.

A bit of optimism back for me today.

Uta
For me and imho it's about getting quality in and not quantity.... Brendan Rodgers said the same in an interview recently and in my mind he is spot on. We have a mid table budget as we know and we also know that we have just got rid of 9 players, to include loans but not DS lads. We have an amount of money available that would seemingly get us 9 decent ish players... In my mind I'd rather we only got in 6 with them all being of slightly better standard. We already have a decent ish squad in terms of quality with those lefts on the books and subject to us not selling anyone and so let's add 6 gems rather than 9 crystals. On the manager front it's TS all day for me. I love his passion and hunger for the game. He's been a winner everywhere he has been and I genuinely think that he will motivate a player and get the best from him whilst not being afraid to changes things if plan A isn't doing its job. A bit of optimism back for me today. Uta SMF20
  • Score: 10

12:51pm Fri 16 May 14

suffolkseagull says...

other option is Norwich...he flew in there the other day.

TS all day for me....attacking football with pace needed. not keen on more foreign based coaches... need pace to go with possesion which is becoming the way with many coaches from Spain. mind you if we do get Clement it has to be on the proviso that Bale and Ronaldo are included in any deal!!
other option is Norwich...he flew in there the other day. TS all day for me....attacking football with pace needed. not keen on more foreign based coaches... need pace to go with possesion which is becoming the way with many coaches from Spain. mind you if we do get Clement it has to be on the proviso that Bale and Ronaldo are included in any deal!! suffolkseagull
  • Score: 2

1:00pm Fri 16 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

To my way of thinking there is a balancing act being played out at Brighton FC, as I have mentioned before, it's like the guy on stage trying to keep all the plates spinning without any hitting the floor.

Bloom needs to find the right manager, one that we hope can do better than our recent previous managers, both of whom have done well for us. In order to attract the right person Bloom has to show that financial resources are available for him to do his job, but Bloom will also not allow him to over spend.
We won't get the right man if we don't anti up, money has got to be in the pot, but Bloom has Barber to ensure that the FFP rules are not flouted, and I don't see that changing.
We have an ambitious Chairman, we want an ambitious manager but how do you balance ambitions along side financial prudence and stability.

If Sherwood gets the job, or someone of his calibre, he will know in a heart beat that our squad is short of players, and short of quality in certain areas even when the squad was at full strength in terms of numbers. Can Bloom tell a Sherwood type, 'sorry mate, the budget is the budget, you will just have to live with that fact,' why bring in a manager that is capable of fixing our squad if you are not prepared to give him the financial resources to get the job done.

A guy like Sherwood will come at a price, and I don't mean his wages, he will need to spend what he deems is right, and the only way I can see that happening is if Bloom chips in with the maximum he can under the FFP rules, on top of what the club allocates for transfers. MBTS suggested a 10 million transfer kitty is needed, I don't think that he is that far off, and I think we could muster that sum. If a million or two was left over from last year, added to a budget of 6 million for this year and topped off by a 3 million injection by Bloom, we would have the 10, now we just need to add three quality loanees for the whole season.

To be honest, I don't think Sherwood will come without rock solid assurances regarding what resources will be there for him to use as, 'he,' sees fit.
To my way of thinking there is a balancing act being played out at Brighton FC, as I have mentioned before, it's like the guy on stage trying to keep all the plates spinning without any hitting the floor. Bloom needs to find the right manager, one that we hope can do better than our recent previous managers, both of whom have done well for us. In order to attract the right person Bloom has to show that financial resources are available for him to do his job, but Bloom will also not allow him to over spend. We won't get the right man if we don't anti up, money has got to be in the pot, but Bloom has Barber to ensure that the FFP rules are not flouted, and I don't see that changing. We have an ambitious Chairman, we want an ambitious manager but how do you balance ambitions along side financial prudence and stability. If Sherwood gets the job, or someone of his calibre, he will know in a heart beat that our squad is short of players, and short of quality in certain areas even when the squad was at full strength in terms of numbers. Can Bloom tell a Sherwood type, 'sorry mate, the budget is the budget, you will just have to live with that fact,' why bring in a manager that is capable of fixing our squad if you are not prepared to give him the financial resources to get the job done. A guy like Sherwood will come at a price, and I don't mean his wages, he will need to spend what he deems is right, and the only way I can see that happening is if Bloom chips in with the maximum he can under the FFP rules, on top of what the club allocates for transfers. MBTS suggested a 10 million transfer kitty is needed, I don't think that he is that far off, and I think we could muster that sum. If a million or two was left over from last year, added to a budget of 6 million for this year and topped off by a 3 million injection by Bloom, we would have the 10, now we just need to add three quality loanees for the whole season. To be honest, I don't think Sherwood will come without rock solid assurances regarding what resources will be there for him to use as, 'he,' sees fit. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

1:11pm Fri 16 May 14

Cap'n Pugwash says...

WestStander17 wrote:
This article has brightened my day. Mackay will go to West Brom or Norwich. Nothing against him but wouldn't be my choice.

Clement sounds great to me. Yes, it would be his first job but he has worked under the best managers in the world and he is coaching at the biggest club in the world. Everyone has to have a first job. He would be grateful for the opportunity and unlikely to jump ship quickly especially with the project and facilities we have to offer.

Clement or Zola for me.
Zola? He couldn't get Watford promoted despite having a team full of Udinese loan signings-they choked when it mattered most. Sounds familiar. He's also a close friend of Poyet so don't expect we'll get any good references there.

I think TB has got a couple of prime candidates in mind but is waiting to see who gets their applications in. Tony Bloom is not stupid-he will have learned an awful lot over the last 2 or 3 seasons and I have no doubt he'll be bringing in exactly the right man for the job. One thing for sure, we will not be looking for hoofball has-beens. This club has moved forward massively and he won't be looking to take us backwards, especially with that fantastic Academy/Training Facility ready for our new management team.

Mackay? Wouldn't have been excited by his appointment.
Sherwood? Same thing-he had a massive squad worth a couple of hundred million but had a poor win % record at Spurs.
Clement? Could be a master stroke or disaster. His coaching pedigree looks impressive, just like the then unproven Brendan Rodgers a few years ago. Well connected, intelligent-just unproven as was Poyet.

Interesting times at The Albion yet again. much better than getting excited at signing the likes of Mahoney-Johnson all those years ago.
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: This article has brightened my day. Mackay will go to West Brom or Norwich. Nothing against him but wouldn't be my choice. Clement sounds great to me. Yes, it would be his first job but he has worked under the best managers in the world and he is coaching at the biggest club in the world. Everyone has to have a first job. He would be grateful for the opportunity and unlikely to jump ship quickly especially with the project and facilities we have to offer. Clement or Zola for me.[/p][/quote]Zola? He couldn't get Watford promoted despite having a team full of Udinese loan signings-they choked when it mattered most. Sounds familiar. He's also a close friend of Poyet so don't expect we'll get any good references there. I think TB has got a couple of prime candidates in mind but is waiting to see who gets their applications in. Tony Bloom is not stupid-he will have learned an awful lot over the last 2 or 3 seasons and I have no doubt he'll be bringing in exactly the right man for the job. One thing for sure, we will not be looking for hoofball has-beens. This club has moved forward massively and he won't be looking to take us backwards, especially with that fantastic Academy/Training Facility ready for our new management team. Mackay? Wouldn't have been excited by his appointment. Sherwood? Same thing-he had a massive squad worth a couple of hundred million but had a poor win % record at Spurs. Clement? Could be a master stroke or disaster. His coaching pedigree looks impressive, just like the then unproven Brendan Rodgers a few years ago. Well connected, intelligent-just unproven as was Poyet. Interesting times at The Albion yet again. much better than getting excited at signing the likes of Mahoney-Johnson all those years ago. Cap'n Pugwash
  • Score: -5

1:19pm Fri 16 May 14

OldGull says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
We have had the Barcelona appointment, now it looks like a Real Madrid appointment. Clement should first be a manager in LaLiga.
Can we try the British link this time and appoint Sherwod or whoever?
Why? He worked for 4 years at Chelsea
He was a 1st team coach when they did they double in 2010
So he has the experience
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: We have had the Barcelona appointment, now it looks like a Real Madrid appointment. Clement should first be a manager in LaLiga. Can we try the British link this time and appoint Sherwod or whoever?[/p][/quote]Why? He worked for 4 years at Chelsea He was a 1st team coach when they did they double in 2010 So he has the experience OldGull
  • Score: 4

1:20pm Fri 16 May 14

ballantrrae says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
Lot of good posts on hear and I can understand what people are saying.
One saying not being bandied around much is "Premier League Ready". Unless we get this right and we get a manager capable of picking quality players and motivate them to play attractive football within a meagre budget (compared to others) this is a long way off. Over to you Tony. UTA
Good point Joel'sGrandad re being Premier League Ready. I am not sure that our Recruitment side is yet but feel sure that whoever we appoint as the new Manager would potentially be able to manage the club in the Premier League. In my opinion Poyet (clearly) would have met this criteria but I think the jury would be out in this respect regarding Oscar (Ok as a Coach but Manager ??).
Bloom seems to be considering quite a wide spectrum of candidates judging from what he said in the Radio interview with varied experience both British and Foreign so I am confident we will have a top class option installed although like Poyet and Oscar perhaps a surprising one.
My preferred choices Clement, Sherwood or some young recently retired top player (Neville ?) with Steve Clarke alongside them.
I await with only moderate patience the new Manager's appointment.
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: Lot of good posts on hear and I can understand what people are saying. One saying not being bandied around much is "Premier League Ready". Unless we get this right and we get a manager capable of picking quality players and motivate them to play attractive football within a meagre budget (compared to others) this is a long way off. Over to you Tony. UTA[/p][/quote]Good point Joel'sGrandad re being Premier League Ready. I am not sure that our Recruitment side is yet but feel sure that whoever we appoint as the new Manager would potentially be able to manage the club in the Premier League. In my opinion Poyet (clearly) would have met this criteria but I think the jury would be out in this respect regarding Oscar (Ok as a Coach but Manager ??). Bloom seems to be considering quite a wide spectrum of candidates judging from what he said in the Radio interview with varied experience both British and Foreign so I am confident we will have a top class option installed although like Poyet and Oscar perhaps a surprising one. My preferred choices Clement, Sherwood or some young recently retired top player (Neville ?) with Steve Clarke alongside them. I await with only moderate patience the new Manager's appointment. ballantrrae
  • Score: 4

1:39pm Fri 16 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Clement even with his background, to me looks like a Garcia with a better pedigree, not sure that that works for me. It's one thing to require a new manager to work with limited financial resources, but it is something quite different to ask that of a guy stepping into full management for the first time, as we did with Oscar.
A guy that has worked in England and as a manager, at what level doesn't matter, will get less frustrated with the financial demands than one that has never held the reins of a English club.
Clement even with his background, to me looks like a Garcia with a better pedigree, not sure that that works for me. It's one thing to require a new manager to work with limited financial resources, but it is something quite different to ask that of a guy stepping into full management for the first time, as we did with Oscar. A guy that has worked in England and as a manager, at what level doesn't matter, will get less frustrated with the financial demands than one that has never held the reins of a English club. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

1:49pm Fri 16 May 14

novascotiagull says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
We have had the Barcelona appointment, now it looks like a Real Madrid appointment. Clement should first be a manager in LaLiga.
Can we try the British link this time and appoint Sherwod or whoever?
Uuh outside of the fact there is nothing about a British manager that guarantees success....where is Clement from again?
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: We have had the Barcelona appointment, now it looks like a Real Madrid appointment. Clement should first be a manager in LaLiga. Can we try the British link this time and appoint Sherwod or whoever?[/p][/quote]Uuh outside of the fact there is nothing about a British manager that guarantees success....where is Clement from again? novascotiagull
  • Score: 3

1:54pm Fri 16 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Clement even with his background, to me looks like a Garcia with a better pedigree, not sure that that works for me. It's one thing to require a new manager to work with limited financial resources, but it is something quite different to ask that of a guy stepping into full management for the first time, as we did with Oscar.
A guy that has worked in England and as a manager, at what level doesn't matter, will get less frustrated with the financial demands than one that has never held the reins of a English club.
But on the flip side, someone who has a history of coaching will surely be more comfortable with the DOF set-up and will be happy to get on the training ground and coach the players, leaving other to do the donkey work. It seems OG didn't quite grasp how the procedure worked and that may be in part to the difficulty TB et al had in talking with him, but I can't see the same issue arising with someone like Clement (ref his being the loudest voice on the training ground at Real).

He's not going to get a Man City type of club as his first appointment so learning to deal with restraints will be a good grounding in 'management'.

I can't see his coming to us, but I for one would be excited by his arrival more than I would with MM or TS.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Clement even with his background, to me looks like a Garcia with a better pedigree, not sure that that works for me. It's one thing to require a new manager to work with limited financial resources, but it is something quite different to ask that of a guy stepping into full management for the first time, as we did with Oscar. A guy that has worked in England and as a manager, at what level doesn't matter, will get less frustrated with the financial demands than one that has never held the reins of a English club.[/p][/quote]But on the flip side, someone who has a history of coaching will surely be more comfortable with the DOF set-up and will be happy to get on the training ground and coach the players, leaving other to do the donkey work. It seems OG didn't quite grasp how the procedure worked and that may be in part to the difficulty TB et al had in talking with him, but I can't see the same issue arising with someone like Clement (ref his being the loudest voice on the training ground at Real). He's not going to get a Man City type of club as his first appointment so learning to deal with restraints will be a good grounding in 'management'. I can't see his coming to us, but I for one would be excited by his arrival more than I would with MM or TS. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

1:56pm Fri 16 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Clement even with his background, to me looks like a Garcia with a better pedigree, not sure that that works for me. It's one thing to require a new manager to work with limited financial resources, but it is something quite different to ask that of a guy stepping into full management for the first time, as we did with Oscar.
A guy that has worked in England and as a manager, at what level doesn't matter, will get less frustrated with the financial demands than one that has never held the reins of a English club.
Many seem to be dismissing Clement purely because he operates in Spain, which is big red herring when you look at his overall experience.
But I agree with the fundamental consideration that he has never been a No.1 and right now, I think we need someone with direct managerial experience to draw on.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Clement even with his background, to me looks like a Garcia with a better pedigree, not sure that that works for me. It's one thing to require a new manager to work with limited financial resources, but it is something quite different to ask that of a guy stepping into full management for the first time, as we did with Oscar. A guy that has worked in England and as a manager, at what level doesn't matter, will get less frustrated with the financial demands than one that has never held the reins of a English club.[/p][/quote]Many seem to be dismissing Clement purely because he operates in Spain, which is big red herring when you look at his overall experience. But I agree with the fundamental consideration that he has never been a No.1 and right now, I think we need someone with direct managerial experience to draw on. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

2:47pm Fri 16 May 14

ringtone says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Clement even with his background, to me looks like a Garcia with a better pedigree, not sure that that works for me. It's one thing to require a new manager to work with limited financial resources, but it is something quite different to ask that of a guy stepping into full management for the first time, as we did with Oscar.
A guy that has worked in England and as a manager, at what level doesn't matter, will get less frustrated with the financial demands than one that has never held the reins of a English club.
But on the flip side, someone who has a history of coaching will surely be more comfortable with the DOF set-up and will be happy to get on the training ground and coach the players, leaving other to do the donkey work. It seems OG didn't quite grasp how the procedure worked and that may be in part to the difficulty TB et al had in talking with him, but I can't see the same issue arising with someone like Clement (ref his being the loudest voice on the training ground at Real).

He's not going to get a Man City type of club as his first appointment so learning to deal with restraints will be a good grounding in 'management'.

I can't see his coming to us, but I for one would be excited by his arrival more than I would with MM or TS.
You still here
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Clement even with his background, to me looks like a Garcia with a better pedigree, not sure that that works for me. It's one thing to require a new manager to work with limited financial resources, but it is something quite different to ask that of a guy stepping into full management for the first time, as we did with Oscar. A guy that has worked in England and as a manager, at what level doesn't matter, will get less frustrated with the financial demands than one that has never held the reins of a English club.[/p][/quote]But on the flip side, someone who has a history of coaching will surely be more comfortable with the DOF set-up and will be happy to get on the training ground and coach the players, leaving other to do the donkey work. It seems OG didn't quite grasp how the procedure worked and that may be in part to the difficulty TB et al had in talking with him, but I can't see the same issue arising with someone like Clement (ref his being the loudest voice on the training ground at Real). He's not going to get a Man City type of club as his first appointment so learning to deal with restraints will be a good grounding in 'management'. I can't see his coming to us, but I for one would be excited by his arrival more than I would with MM or TS.[/p][/quote]You still here ringtone
  • Score: -5

3:21pm Fri 16 May 14

pte says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
To my way of thinking there is a balancing act being played out at Brighton FC, as I have mentioned before, it's like the guy on stage trying to keep all the plates spinning without any hitting the floor.

Bloom needs to find the right manager, one that we hope can do better than our recent previous managers, both of whom have done well for us. In order to attract the right person Bloom has to show that financial resources are available for him to do his job, but Bloom will also not allow him to over spend.
We won't get the right man if we don't anti up, money has got to be in the pot, but Bloom has Barber to ensure that the FFP rules are not flouted, and I don't see that changing.
We have an ambitious Chairman, we want an ambitious manager but how do you balance ambitions along side financial prudence and stability.

If Sherwood gets the job, or someone of his calibre, he will know in a heart beat that our squad is short of players, and short of quality in certain areas even when the squad was at full strength in terms of numbers. Can Bloom tell a Sherwood type, 'sorry mate, the budget is the budget, you will just have to live with that fact,' why bring in a manager that is capable of fixing our squad if you are not prepared to give him the financial resources to get the job done.

A guy like Sherwood will come at a price, and I don't mean his wages, he will need to spend what he deems is right, and the only way I can see that happening is if Bloom chips in with the maximum he can under the FFP rules, on top of what the club allocates for transfers. MBTS suggested a 10 million transfer kitty is needed, I don't think that he is that far off, and I think we could muster that sum. If a million or two was left over from last year, added to a budget of 6 million for this year and topped off by a 3 million injection by Bloom, we would have the 10, now we just need to add three quality loanees for the whole season.

To be honest, I don't think Sherwood will come without rock solid assurances regarding what resources will be there for him to use as, 'he,' sees fit.
Vegas don't know about the plates but you have hit most of the nails on the head.
To get TS, Bloom has to make the project sound exciting and show he is willing to splash the cash giving him all he wants to guarantee promotion. But I fear judging by the past miserable experience that aint going to happen.

My guess is TB is going after TS but has to wait for a guy who deep down isn't keen and is waiting for better options. But we cannot wait, I'd much rather given the budget TB wants to impose he sets his sights more realistically and get a Holloway a McCarthy or a Jackett, someone solid who knows the league.

We may have the best attendances but given the budget TB is willing to authorise we all need to get our heads out of the clouds and stop dreaming of promotion next year. That may take a good few years given the current set up. It may take a rich Russian oligark or invester from the mid east to take the club over
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To my way of thinking there is a balancing act being played out at Brighton FC, as I have mentioned before, it's like the guy on stage trying to keep all the plates spinning without any hitting the floor. Bloom needs to find the right manager, one that we hope can do better than our recent previous managers, both of whom have done well for us. In order to attract the right person Bloom has to show that financial resources are available for him to do his job, but Bloom will also not allow him to over spend. We won't get the right man if we don't anti up, money has got to be in the pot, but Bloom has Barber to ensure that the FFP rules are not flouted, and I don't see that changing. We have an ambitious Chairman, we want an ambitious manager but how do you balance ambitions along side financial prudence and stability. If Sherwood gets the job, or someone of his calibre, he will know in a heart beat that our squad is short of players, and short of quality in certain areas even when the squad was at full strength in terms of numbers. Can Bloom tell a Sherwood type, 'sorry mate, the budget is the budget, you will just have to live with that fact,' why bring in a manager that is capable of fixing our squad if you are not prepared to give him the financial resources to get the job done. A guy like Sherwood will come at a price, and I don't mean his wages, he will need to spend what he deems is right, and the only way I can see that happening is if Bloom chips in with the maximum he can under the FFP rules, on top of what the club allocates for transfers. MBTS suggested a 10 million transfer kitty is needed, I don't think that he is that far off, and I think we could muster that sum. If a million or two was left over from last year, added to a budget of 6 million for this year and topped off by a 3 million injection by Bloom, we would have the 10, now we just need to add three quality loanees for the whole season. To be honest, I don't think Sherwood will come without rock solid assurances regarding what resources will be there for him to use as, 'he,' sees fit.[/p][/quote]Vegas don't know about the plates but you have hit most of the nails on the head. To get TS, Bloom has to make the project sound exciting and show he is willing to splash the cash giving him all he wants to guarantee promotion. But I fear judging by the past miserable experience that aint going to happen. My guess is TB is going after TS but has to wait for a guy who deep down isn't keen and is waiting for better options. But we cannot wait, I'd much rather given the budget TB wants to impose he sets his sights more realistically and get a Holloway a McCarthy or a Jackett, someone solid who knows the league. We may have the best attendances but given the budget TB is willing to authorise we all need to get our heads out of the clouds and stop dreaming of promotion next year. That may take a good few years given the current set up. It may take a rich Russian oligark or invester from the mid east to take the club over pte
  • Score: -6

3:27pm Fri 16 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

It's one of the biggest leagues in the world and widely watched, so it's not like managing a small club in the Belgian third division. And considering 1/4 of the division changes every season, someone who has been away for two years might actually only know half of it anyway.

So, can someone explicitly state what "someone who knows the league" actually means in practical terms?
It's one of the biggest leagues in the world and widely watched, so it's not like managing a small club in the Belgian third division. And considering 1/4 of the division changes every season, someone who has been away for two years might actually only know half of it anyway. So, can someone explicitly state what "someone who knows the league" actually means in practical terms? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

3:42pm Fri 16 May 14

thebigun says...

SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
Preference in this order:
Howe
Sherwood
Paul Clement's name has been bandied about but I know nothing about him and have never heard of him.I am not saying he should not be considered but I had to go to Wikipedia to clue up on him.
HOWE did he do at Burnley
GLENN HODDLE ?
[quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: Preference in this order: Howe Sherwood Paul Clement's name has been bandied about but I know nothing about him and have never heard of him.I am not saying he should not be considered but I had to go to Wikipedia to clue up on him.[/p][/quote]HOWE did he do at Burnley GLENN HODDLE ? thebigun
  • Score: -2

3:44pm Fri 16 May 14

ringtone says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
It's one of the biggest leagues in the world and widely watched, so it's not like managing a small club in the Belgian third division. And considering 1/4 of the division changes every season, someone who has been away for two years might actually only know half of it anyway.

So, can someone explicitly state what "someone who knows the league" actually means in practical terms?
it means not another oscar, dumdo
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: It's one of the biggest leagues in the world and widely watched, so it's not like managing a small club in the Belgian third division. And considering 1/4 of the division changes every season, someone who has been away for two years might actually only know half of it anyway. So, can someone explicitly state what "someone who knows the league" actually means in practical terms?[/p][/quote]it means not another oscar, dumdo ringtone
  • Score: -2

4:26pm Fri 16 May 14

gordongull says...

Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
WestStander17 wrote:
This article has brightened my day. Mackay will go to West Brom or Norwich. Nothing against him but wouldn't be my choice.

Clement sounds great to me. Yes, it would be his first job but he has worked under the best managers in the world and he is coaching at the biggest club in the world. Everyone has to have a first job. He would be grateful for the opportunity and unlikely to jump ship quickly especially with the project and facilities we have to offer.

Clement or Zola for me.
Zola? He couldn't get Watford promoted despite having a team full of Udinese loan signings-they choked when it mattered most. Sounds familiar. He's also a close friend of Poyet so don't expect we'll get any good references there.

I think TB has got a couple of prime candidates in mind but is waiting to see who gets their applications in. Tony Bloom is not stupid-he will have learned an awful lot over the last 2 or 3 seasons and I have no doubt he'll be bringing in exactly the right man for the job. One thing for sure, we will not be looking for hoofball has-beens. This club has moved forward massively and he won't be looking to take us backwards, especially with that fantastic Academy/Training Facility ready for our new management team.

Mackay? Wouldn't have been excited by his appointment.
Sherwood? Same thing-he had a massive squad worth a couple of hundred million but had a poor win % record at Spurs.
Clement? Could be a master stroke or disaster. His coaching pedigree looks impressive, just like the then unproven Brendan Rodgers a few years ago. Well connected, intelligent-just unproven as was Poyet.

Interesting times at The Albion yet again. much better than getting excited at signing the likes of Mahoney-Johnson all those years ago.
Sherwood a poor win% at Spurs??????????
Tim Sherwood left White Hart Lane with the best win ration of any Spurs boss since the beginning of the Premier League. (59%)
[quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: This article has brightened my day. Mackay will go to West Brom or Norwich. Nothing against him but wouldn't be my choice. Clement sounds great to me. Yes, it would be his first job but he has worked under the best managers in the world and he is coaching at the biggest club in the world. Everyone has to have a first job. He would be grateful for the opportunity and unlikely to jump ship quickly especially with the project and facilities we have to offer. Clement or Zola for me.[/p][/quote]Zola? He couldn't get Watford promoted despite having a team full of Udinese loan signings-they choked when it mattered most. Sounds familiar. He's also a close friend of Poyet so don't expect we'll get any good references there. I think TB has got a couple of prime candidates in mind but is waiting to see who gets their applications in. Tony Bloom is not stupid-he will have learned an awful lot over the last 2 or 3 seasons and I have no doubt he'll be bringing in exactly the right man for the job. One thing for sure, we will not be looking for hoofball has-beens. This club has moved forward massively and he won't be looking to take us backwards, especially with that fantastic Academy/Training Facility ready for our new management team. Mackay? Wouldn't have been excited by his appointment. Sherwood? Same thing-he had a massive squad worth a couple of hundred million but had a poor win % record at Spurs. Clement? Could be a master stroke or disaster. His coaching pedigree looks impressive, just like the then unproven Brendan Rodgers a few years ago. Well connected, intelligent-just unproven as was Poyet. Interesting times at The Albion yet again. much better than getting excited at signing the likes of Mahoney-Johnson all those years ago.[/p][/quote]Sherwood a poor win% at Spurs?????????? Tim Sherwood left White Hart Lane with the best win ration of any Spurs boss since the beginning of the Premier League. (59%) gordongull
  • Score: 8

4:26pm Fri 16 May 14

JoeBlow says...

Strangely enough, I have heard Paul Clement interviewed on the radio a fair bit over here in North America. I guess they like an English-speking inside look at La Liga. He has always impressed me. I wouldn't have a problem with him being appointed.
Strangely enough, I have heard Paul Clement interviewed on the radio a fair bit over here in North America. I guess they like an English-speking inside look at La Liga. He has always impressed me. I wouldn't have a problem with him being appointed. JoeBlow
  • Score: 4

4:29pm Fri 16 May 14

peterpan32 says...

Russel Slade?
Russel Slade? peterpan32
  • Score: -6

4:33pm Fri 16 May 14

gordongull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Clement even with his background, to me looks like a Garcia with a better pedigree, not sure that that works for me. It's one thing to require a new manager to work with limited financial resources, but it is something quite different to ask that of a guy stepping into full management for the first time, as we did with Oscar.
A guy that has worked in England and as a manager, at what level doesn't matter, will get less frustrated with the financial demands than one that has never held the reins of a English club.
But on the flip side, someone who has a history of coaching will surely be more comfortable with the DOF set-up and will be happy to get on the training ground and coach the players, leaving other to do the donkey work. It seems OG didn't quite grasp how the procedure worked and that may be in part to the difficulty TB et al had in talking with him, but I can't see the same issue arising with someone like Clement (ref his being the loudest voice on the training ground at Real).

He's not going to get a Man City type of club as his first appointment so learning to deal with restraints will be a good grounding in 'management'.

I can't see his coming to us, but I for one would be excited by his arrival more than I would with MM or TS.
So you are in favour of donkeys doing the donkey work Ex-pat Arnie?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Clement even with his background, to me looks like a Garcia with a better pedigree, not sure that that works for me. It's one thing to require a new manager to work with limited financial resources, but it is something quite different to ask that of a guy stepping into full management for the first time, as we did with Oscar. A guy that has worked in England and as a manager, at what level doesn't matter, will get less frustrated with the financial demands than one that has never held the reins of a English club.[/p][/quote]But on the flip side, someone who has a history of coaching will surely be more comfortable with the DOF set-up and will be happy to get on the training ground and coach the players, leaving other to do the donkey work. It seems OG didn't quite grasp how the procedure worked and that may be in part to the difficulty TB et al had in talking with him, but I can't see the same issue arising with someone like Clement (ref his being the loudest voice on the training ground at Real). He's not going to get a Man City type of club as his first appointment so learning to deal with restraints will be a good grounding in 'management'. I can't see his coming to us, but I for one would be excited by his arrival more than I would with MM or TS.[/p][/quote]So you are in favour of donkeys doing the donkey work Ex-pat Arnie? gordongull
  • Score: 1

4:35pm Fri 16 May 14

gordongull says...

(Ratio, not ration)
(Ratio, not ration) gordongull
  • Score: -1

4:47pm Fri 16 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Clement even with his background, to me looks like a Garcia with a better pedigree, not sure that that works for me. It's one thing to require a new manager to work with limited financial resources, but it is something quite different to ask that of a guy stepping into full management for the first time, as we did with Oscar.
A guy that has worked in England and as a manager, at what level doesn't matter, will get less frustrated with the financial demands than one that has never held the reins of a English club.
But on the flip side, someone who has a history of coaching will surely be more comfortable with the DOF set-up and will be happy to get on the training ground and coach the players, leaving other to do the donkey work. It seems OG didn't quite grasp how the procedure worked and that may be in part to the difficulty TB et al had in talking with him, but I can't see the same issue arising with someone like Clement (ref his being the loudest voice on the training ground at Real).

He's not going to get a Man City type of club as his first appointment so learning to deal with restraints will be a good grounding in 'management'.

I can't see his coming to us, but I for one would be excited by his arrival more than I would with MM or TS.
So you are in favour of donkeys doing the donkey work Ex-pat Arnie?
Always in favour of the right people doing the right tasks. Anything else is folly.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Clement even with his background, to me looks like a Garcia with a better pedigree, not sure that that works for me. It's one thing to require a new manager to work with limited financial resources, but it is something quite different to ask that of a guy stepping into full management for the first time, as we did with Oscar. A guy that has worked in England and as a manager, at what level doesn't matter, will get less frustrated with the financial demands than one that has never held the reins of a English club.[/p][/quote]But on the flip side, someone who has a history of coaching will surely be more comfortable with the DOF set-up and will be happy to get on the training ground and coach the players, leaving other to do the donkey work. It seems OG didn't quite grasp how the procedure worked and that may be in part to the difficulty TB et al had in talking with him, but I can't see the same issue arising with someone like Clement (ref his being the loudest voice on the training ground at Real). He's not going to get a Man City type of club as his first appointment so learning to deal with restraints will be a good grounding in 'management'. I can't see his coming to us, but I for one would be excited by his arrival more than I would with MM or TS.[/p][/quote]So you are in favour of donkeys doing the donkey work Ex-pat Arnie?[/p][/quote]Always in favour of the right people doing the right tasks. Anything else is folly. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

5:10pm Fri 16 May 14

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

OldGull wrote:
Neville wrote:
If you listen to TB interview he mentions unproven coaches etc have applied and I just think if TS is the nailed on favourite we would have made an immediate move for him,I also think good as he would be it would be another short step before he wanted to manage in the Premiership.
With our style of play throughout the squads and the Academy I am coming to the conclusion that Paul Clement will be offered the position,must admit I know little about him.
He was at Chelsea from 2007-2011
started out as a youth team coach
then coached the 1st team under Gus Hiddink & Ancellotti
He then joined Ancellotti at PSG and now Real Madrid.

Pretty good CV and he has experience in England
Agree, and I think a lot of posters on here are dismissing Clement purely because they don't know anything about him, which just highlights the point that their views are unfounded and ill informed.

Paul Clement knows plenty about the Championship, and the Premier Lge, and the French Lge, and the Spanish Lge, and development squads. He's probably more qualified by a long way than Oscar was, but everyone got excited about his appointment ?
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: If you listen to TB interview he mentions unproven coaches etc have applied and I just think if TS is the nailed on favourite we would have made an immediate move for him,I also think good as he would be it would be another short step before he wanted to manage in the Premiership. With our style of play throughout the squads and the Academy I am coming to the conclusion that Paul Clement will be offered the position,must admit I know little about him.[/p][/quote]He was at Chelsea from 2007-2011 started out as a youth team coach then coached the 1st team under Gus Hiddink & Ancellotti He then joined Ancellotti at PSG and now Real Madrid. Pretty good CV and he has experience in England[/p][/quote]Agree, and I think a lot of posters on here are dismissing Clement purely because they don't know anything about him, which just highlights the point that their views are unfounded and ill informed. Paul Clement knows plenty about the Championship, and the Premier Lge, and the French Lge, and the Spanish Lge, and development squads. He's probably more qualified by a long way than Oscar was, but everyone got excited about his appointment ? PressBoxTeaBoy
  • Score: 5

5:25pm Fri 16 May 14

WestStander17 says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
OldGull wrote:
Neville wrote:
If you listen to TB interview he mentions unproven coaches etc have applied and I just think if TS is the nailed on favourite we would have made an immediate move for him,I also think good as he would be it would be another short step before he wanted to manage in the Premiership.
With our style of play throughout the squads and the Academy I am coming to the conclusion that Paul Clement will be offered the position,must admit I know little about him.
He was at Chelsea from 2007-2011
started out as a youth team coach
then coached the 1st team under Gus Hiddink & Ancellotti
He then joined Ancellotti at PSG and now Real Madrid.

Pretty good CV and he has experience in England
Agree, and I think a lot of posters on here are dismissing Clement purely because they don't know anything about him, which just highlights the point that their views are unfounded and ill informed.

Paul Clement knows plenty about the Championship, and the Premier Lge, and the French Lge, and the Spanish Lge, and development squads. He's probably more qualified by a long way than Oscar was, but everyone got excited about his appointment ?
Totally with you, PBTB.
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: If you listen to TB interview he mentions unproven coaches etc have applied and I just think if TS is the nailed on favourite we would have made an immediate move for him,I also think good as he would be it would be another short step before he wanted to manage in the Premiership. With our style of play throughout the squads and the Academy I am coming to the conclusion that Paul Clement will be offered the position,must admit I know little about him.[/p][/quote]He was at Chelsea from 2007-2011 started out as a youth team coach then coached the 1st team under Gus Hiddink & Ancellotti He then joined Ancellotti at PSG and now Real Madrid. Pretty good CV and he has experience in England[/p][/quote]Agree, and I think a lot of posters on here are dismissing Clement purely because they don't know anything about him, which just highlights the point that their views are unfounded and ill informed. Paul Clement knows plenty about the Championship, and the Premier Lge, and the French Lge, and the Spanish Lge, and development squads. He's probably more qualified by a long way than Oscar was, but everyone got excited about his appointment ?[/p][/quote]Totally with you, PBTB. WestStander17
  • Score: 1

5:25pm Fri 16 May 14

gordongull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
It's one of the biggest leagues in the world and widely watched, so it's not like managing a small club in the Belgian third division. And considering 1/4 of the division changes every season, someone who has been away for two years might actually only know half of it anyway.

So, can someone explicitly state what "someone who knows the league" actually means in practical terms?
The teams might change Ex-pat Arnie, but the Championship doesn't.
Take a look at the Managers who have achieved promotion over the last three seasons. Do you think a pattern is beginning to emerge?
Nigel Pearson
Sean Dyche
Harry Redknapp or Steve McClaren
Malky Mackay
Steve Bruce
Ian Holloway
Sam Allardyce
Brian McDermott
Nigel Adkins
I would welcome any of those except Adkins, with open arms right now.
(Anyone who found it humorous when McDermott was mentioned earlier should remember that he won 17 of the last 23 to take Reading up in 2011/2012)
Nobody wins anything with wishy- washy tippy tappy nonsense. The ground rules for promotion from this division are power and pace, combined with an attacking intent.
You once asked the question ''What is there to know about the Championship'', and if you remember, I suggested that you ask Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: It's one of the biggest leagues in the world and widely watched, so it's not like managing a small club in the Belgian third division. And considering 1/4 of the division changes every season, someone who has been away for two years might actually only know half of it anyway. So, can someone explicitly state what "someone who knows the league" actually means in practical terms?[/p][/quote]The teams might change Ex-pat Arnie, but the Championship doesn't. Take a look at the Managers who have achieved promotion over the last three seasons. Do you think a pattern is beginning to emerge? Nigel Pearson Sean Dyche Harry Redknapp or Steve McClaren Malky Mackay Steve Bruce Ian Holloway Sam Allardyce Brian McDermott Nigel Adkins I would welcome any of those except Adkins, with open arms right now. (Anyone who found it humorous when McDermott was mentioned earlier should remember that he won 17 of the last 23 to take Reading up in 2011/2012) Nobody wins anything with wishy- washy tippy tappy nonsense. The ground rules for promotion from this division are power and pace, combined with an attacking intent. You once asked the question ''What is there to know about the Championship'', and if you remember, I suggested that you ask Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche. gordongull
  • Score: 1

6:00pm Fri 16 May 14

fairweathersupporter says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
OldGull wrote:
Neville wrote:
If you listen to TB interview he mentions unproven coaches etc have applied and I just think if TS is the nailed on favourite we would have made an immediate move for him,I also think good as he would be it would be another short step before he wanted to manage in the Premiership.
With our style of play throughout the squads and the Academy I am coming to the conclusion that Paul Clement will be offered the position,must admit I know little about him.
He was at Chelsea from 2007-2011
started out as a youth team coach
then coached the 1st team under Gus Hiddink & Ancellotti
He then joined Ancellotti at PSG and now Real Madrid.

Pretty good CV and he has experience in England
Agree, and I think a lot of posters on here are dismissing Clement purely because they don't know anything about him, which just highlights the point that their views are unfounded and ill informed.

Paul Clement knows plenty about the Championship, and the Premier Lge, and the French Lge, and the Spanish Lge, and development squads. He's probably more qualified by a long way than Oscar was, but everyone got excited about his appointment ?
Not so much that i don't know anything about him, more that he has no experience of management; being the main man so to speak. I am left a little confused by Mr Bloom's interpretation of manager and exactly what responsibilities they have (as i believe eventually Gus and then Oscar were). I get the legal shenanigans post Gus but i was none the wiser with the rest of it.
Coaching the best, show's he is good. And de facto a good coach. Managing or being head coach of our beloved may need a strong hand as well as a loud voice. Not saying no, just saying.
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: If you listen to TB interview he mentions unproven coaches etc have applied and I just think if TS is the nailed on favourite we would have made an immediate move for him,I also think good as he would be it would be another short step before he wanted to manage in the Premiership. With our style of play throughout the squads and the Academy I am coming to the conclusion that Paul Clement will be offered the position,must admit I know little about him.[/p][/quote]He was at Chelsea from 2007-2011 started out as a youth team coach then coached the 1st team under Gus Hiddink & Ancellotti He then joined Ancellotti at PSG and now Real Madrid. Pretty good CV and he has experience in England[/p][/quote]Agree, and I think a lot of posters on here are dismissing Clement purely because they don't know anything about him, which just highlights the point that their views are unfounded and ill informed. Paul Clement knows plenty about the Championship, and the Premier Lge, and the French Lge, and the Spanish Lge, and development squads. He's probably more qualified by a long way than Oscar was, but everyone got excited about his appointment ?[/p][/quote]Not so much that i don't know anything about him, more that he has no experience of management; being the main man so to speak. I am left a little confused by Mr Bloom's interpretation of manager and exactly what responsibilities they have (as i believe eventually Gus and then Oscar were). I get the legal shenanigans post Gus but i was none the wiser with the rest of it. Coaching the best, show's he is good. And de facto a good coach. Managing or being head coach of our beloved may need a strong hand as well as a loud voice. Not saying no, just saying. fairweathersupporter
  • Score: 4

6:15pm Fri 16 May 14

WestStander17 says...

gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
It's one of the biggest leagues in the world and widely watched, so it's not like managing a small club in the Belgian third division. And considering 1/4 of the division changes every season, someone who has been away for two years might actually only know half of it anyway.

So, can someone explicitly state what "someone who knows the league" actually means in practical terms?
The teams might change Ex-pat Arnie, but the Championship doesn't.
Take a look at the Managers who have achieved promotion over the last three seasons. Do you think a pattern is beginning to emerge?
Nigel Pearson
Sean Dyche
Harry Redknapp or Steve McClaren
Malky Mackay
Steve Bruce
Ian Holloway
Sam Allardyce
Brian McDermott
Nigel Adkins
I would welcome any of those except Adkins, with open arms right now.
(Anyone who found it humorous when McDermott was mentioned earlier should remember that he won 17 of the last 23 to take Reading up in 2011/2012)
Nobody wins anything with wishy- washy tippy tappy nonsense. The ground rules for promotion from this division are power and pace, combined with an attacking intent.
You once asked the question ''What is there to know about the Championship'', and if you remember, I suggested that you ask Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.
Wouldn't it be more fulfilling to do it our own way though? To win promotion doing it with a superior brand of Football too. I'd like that and I'm fairly happy to keep passing our way through the Championship until it happens!

Might get a few downward thumbs for that but that's fine, just my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: It's one of the biggest leagues in the world and widely watched, so it's not like managing a small club in the Belgian third division. And considering 1/4 of the division changes every season, someone who has been away for two years might actually only know half of it anyway. So, can someone explicitly state what "someone who knows the league" actually means in practical terms?[/p][/quote]The teams might change Ex-pat Arnie, but the Championship doesn't. Take a look at the Managers who have achieved promotion over the last three seasons. Do you think a pattern is beginning to emerge? Nigel Pearson Sean Dyche Harry Redknapp or Steve McClaren Malky Mackay Steve Bruce Ian Holloway Sam Allardyce Brian McDermott Nigel Adkins I would welcome any of those except Adkins, with open arms right now. (Anyone who found it humorous when McDermott was mentioned earlier should remember that he won 17 of the last 23 to take Reading up in 2011/2012) Nobody wins anything with wishy- washy tippy tappy nonsense. The ground rules for promotion from this division are power and pace, combined with an attacking intent. You once asked the question ''What is there to know about the Championship'', and if you remember, I suggested that you ask Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't it be more fulfilling to do it our own way though? To win promotion doing it with a superior brand of Football too. I'd like that and I'm fairly happy to keep passing our way through the Championship until it happens! Might get a few downward thumbs for that but that's fine, just my opinion. WestStander17
  • Score: 3

6:17pm Fri 16 May 14

gordongull says...

fairweathersupporter wrote:
PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
OldGull wrote:
Neville wrote:
If you listen to TB interview he mentions unproven coaches etc have applied and I just think if TS is the nailed on favourite we would have made an immediate move for him,I also think good as he would be it would be another short step before he wanted to manage in the Premiership.
With our style of play throughout the squads and the Academy I am coming to the conclusion that Paul Clement will be offered the position,must admit I know little about him.
He was at Chelsea from 2007-2011
started out as a youth team coach
then coached the 1st team under Gus Hiddink & Ancellotti
He then joined Ancellotti at PSG and now Real Madrid.

Pretty good CV and he has experience in England
Agree, and I think a lot of posters on here are dismissing Clement purely because they don't know anything about him, which just highlights the point that their views are unfounded and ill informed.

Paul Clement knows plenty about the Championship, and the Premier Lge, and the French Lge, and the Spanish Lge, and development squads. He's probably more qualified by a long way than Oscar was, but everyone got excited about his appointment ?
Not so much that i don't know anything about him, more that he has no experience of management; being the main man so to speak. I am left a little confused by Mr Bloom's interpretation of manager and exactly what responsibilities they have (as i believe eventually Gus and then Oscar were). I get the legal shenanigans post Gus but i was none the wiser with the rest of it.
Coaching the best, show's he is good. And de facto a good coach. Managing or being head coach of our beloved may need a strong hand as well as a loud voice. Not saying no, just saying.
De Facto a good coach?
Let's get him on board!
Or what about Iain Dowie?
Expanding on a theme from your disquisition, the Club could be renamed Croydon and Hove Albion, (too much history and tradition lost with M23 FC)
Would this be a step too far for some supporters?
[quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: If you listen to TB interview he mentions unproven coaches etc have applied and I just think if TS is the nailed on favourite we would have made an immediate move for him,I also think good as he would be it would be another short step before he wanted to manage in the Premiership. With our style of play throughout the squads and the Academy I am coming to the conclusion that Paul Clement will be offered the position,must admit I know little about him.[/p][/quote]He was at Chelsea from 2007-2011 started out as a youth team coach then coached the 1st team under Gus Hiddink & Ancellotti He then joined Ancellotti at PSG and now Real Madrid. Pretty good CV and he has experience in England[/p][/quote]Agree, and I think a lot of posters on here are dismissing Clement purely because they don't know anything about him, which just highlights the point that their views are unfounded and ill informed. Paul Clement knows plenty about the Championship, and the Premier Lge, and the French Lge, and the Spanish Lge, and development squads. He's probably more qualified by a long way than Oscar was, but everyone got excited about his appointment ?[/p][/quote]Not so much that i don't know anything about him, more that he has no experience of management; being the main man so to speak. I am left a little confused by Mr Bloom's interpretation of manager and exactly what responsibilities they have (as i believe eventually Gus and then Oscar were). I get the legal shenanigans post Gus but i was none the wiser with the rest of it. Coaching the best, show's he is good. And de facto a good coach. Managing or being head coach of our beloved may need a strong hand as well as a loud voice. Not saying no, just saying.[/p][/quote]De Facto a good coach? Let's get him on board! Or what about Iain Dowie? Expanding on a theme from your disquisition, the Club could be renamed Croydon and Hove Albion, (too much history and tradition lost with M23 FC) Would this be a step too far for some supporters? gordongull
  • Score: -4

6:20pm Fri 16 May 14

gordongull says...

To avoid confusion, previous post refers to Fairweather and not the others.
To avoid confusion, previous post refers to Fairweather and not the others. gordongull
  • Score: -1

6:27pm Fri 16 May 14

namgo49 says...

I am glad McKay has distanced himself from the job, he would be no good. I think McDermott would do well and will be available if asked just to get away from the poisoned chalice that is Leeds Utd. You need tough hard players to compete in this league not pretty stuff.

Sherwood would not come, he will go to Stains when Potte...thingy goes to Tottenham. My first choice would still be McCarthy but I don't think he would leave Ipswich.
I am glad McKay has distanced himself from the job, he would be no good. I think McDermott would do well and will be available if asked just to get away from the poisoned chalice that is Leeds Utd. You need tough hard players to compete in this league not pretty stuff. Sherwood would not come, he will go to Stains when Potte...thingy goes to Tottenham. My first choice would still be McCarthy but I don't think he would leave Ipswich. namgo49
  • Score: -12

6:28pm Fri 16 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Have to say some really good posts today , without silly personal stuff,
Whatever happens over next 6 months we all know it's going to be a roller coaster! Uta
Have to say some really good posts today , without silly personal stuff, Whatever happens over next 6 months we all know it's going to be a roller coaster! Uta mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

6:34pm Fri 16 May 14

fairweathersupporter says...

gordongull wrote:
To avoid confusion, previous post refers to Fairweather and not the others.
I got on board a good coach once.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: To avoid confusion, previous post refers to Fairweather and not the others.[/p][/quote]I got on board a good coach once. fairweathersupporter
  • Score: 4

6:42pm Fri 16 May 14

OldGull says...

Food for Thought
Previous Managers whose 1st Managerial Post was Brighton
Pat Saward..........3rd Div promotion
Alan Mullery.........Prom
otion from 3rd to 1st div
Steve Gritt..............S
aved the Albion from non league obscurity
Dean Wilkins........Didn'
t do too bad, brought on several youngsters
Gus Poyet.............fr
om league 1 relegation threat to Championship play off
Oscar ....................
Champ play off
Paul Clement.......??????
??????
Food for Thought Previous Managers whose 1st Managerial Post was Brighton Pat Saward..........3rd Div promotion Alan Mullery.........Prom otion from 3rd to 1st div Steve Gritt..............S aved the Albion from non league obscurity Dean Wilkins........Didn' t do too bad, brought on several youngsters Gus Poyet.............fr om league 1 relegation threat to Championship play off Oscar .................... Champ play off Paul Clement.......?????? ?????? OldGull
  • Score: 4

6:46pm Fri 16 May 14

OldGull says...

namgo49 wrote:
I am glad McKay has distanced himself from the job, he would be no good. I think McDermott would do well and will be available if asked just to get away from the poisoned chalice that is Leeds Utd. You need tough hard players to compete in this league not pretty stuff.

Sherwood would not come, he will go to Stains when Potte...thingy goes to Tottenham. My first choice would still be McCarthy but I don't think he would leave Ipswich.
Sherwood to Stains!!!!!, now there's a thought
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: I am glad McKay has distanced himself from the job, he would be no good. I think McDermott would do well and will be available if asked just to get away from the poisoned chalice that is Leeds Utd. You need tough hard players to compete in this league not pretty stuff. Sherwood would not come, he will go to Stains when Potte...thingy goes to Tottenham. My first choice would still be McCarthy but I don't think he would leave Ipswich.[/p][/quote]Sherwood to Stains!!!!!, now there's a thought OldGull
  • Score: -1

6:57pm Fri 16 May 14

mickagull says...

Son of Brian would build a good workmanlike team that could be developed, and add a bit of sparkle.
Son of Brian would build a good workmanlike team that could be developed, and add a bit of sparkle. mickagull
  • Score: -5

6:59pm Fri 16 May 14

Neville says...

Liam Brady in charge of Academy and Mick McCarthy as Manager.Perfect.
Liam Brady in charge of Academy and Mick McCarthy as Manager.Perfect. Neville
  • Score: -7

7:16pm Fri 16 May 14

Cap'n Pugwash says...

gordongull wrote:
Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
WestStander17 wrote:
This article has brightened my day. Mackay will go to West Brom or Norwich. Nothing against him but wouldn't be my choice.

Clement sounds great to me. Yes, it would be his first job but he has worked under the best managers in the world and he is coaching at the biggest club in the world. Everyone has to have a first job. He would be grateful for the opportunity and unlikely to jump ship quickly especially with the project and facilities we have to offer.

Clement or Zola for me.
Zola? He couldn't get Watford promoted despite having a team full of Udinese loan signings-they choked when it mattered most. Sounds familiar. He's also a close friend of Poyet so don't expect we'll get any good references there.

I think TB has got a couple of prime candidates in mind but is waiting to see who gets their applications in. Tony Bloom is not stupid-he will have learned an awful lot over the last 2 or 3 seasons and I have no doubt he'll be bringing in exactly the right man for the job. One thing for sure, we will not be looking for hoofball has-beens. This club has moved forward massively and he won't be looking to take us backwards, especially with that fantastic Academy/Training Facility ready for our new management team.

Mackay? Wouldn't have been excited by his appointment.
Sherwood? Same thing-he had a massive squad worth a couple of hundred million but had a poor win % record at Spurs.
Clement? Could be a master stroke or disaster. His coaching pedigree looks impressive, just like the then unproven Brendan Rodgers a few years ago. Well connected, intelligent-just unproven as was Poyet.

Interesting times at The Albion yet again. much better than getting excited at signing the likes of Mahoney-Johnson all those years ago.
Sherwood a poor win% at Spurs??????????
Tim Sherwood left White Hart Lane with the best win ration of any Spurs boss since the beginning of the Premier League. (59%)
I clearly misheard or mis-read that % thing about Sherwood.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: This article has brightened my day. Mackay will go to West Brom or Norwich. Nothing against him but wouldn't be my choice. Clement sounds great to me. Yes, it would be his first job but he has worked under the best managers in the world and he is coaching at the biggest club in the world. Everyone has to have a first job. He would be grateful for the opportunity and unlikely to jump ship quickly especially with the project and facilities we have to offer. Clement or Zola for me.[/p][/quote]Zola? He couldn't get Watford promoted despite having a team full of Udinese loan signings-they choked when it mattered most. Sounds familiar. He's also a close friend of Poyet so don't expect we'll get any good references there. I think TB has got a couple of prime candidates in mind but is waiting to see who gets their applications in. Tony Bloom is not stupid-he will have learned an awful lot over the last 2 or 3 seasons and I have no doubt he'll be bringing in exactly the right man for the job. One thing for sure, we will not be looking for hoofball has-beens. This club has moved forward massively and he won't be looking to take us backwards, especially with that fantastic Academy/Training Facility ready for our new management team. Mackay? Wouldn't have been excited by his appointment. Sherwood? Same thing-he had a massive squad worth a couple of hundred million but had a poor win % record at Spurs. Clement? Could be a master stroke or disaster. His coaching pedigree looks impressive, just like the then unproven Brendan Rodgers a few years ago. Well connected, intelligent-just unproven as was Poyet. Interesting times at The Albion yet again. much better than getting excited at signing the likes of Mahoney-Johnson all those years ago.[/p][/quote]Sherwood a poor win% at Spurs?????????? Tim Sherwood left White Hart Lane with the best win ration of any Spurs boss since the beginning of the Premier League. (59%)[/p][/quote]I clearly misheard or mis-read that % thing about Sherwood. Cap'n Pugwash
  • Score: 3

7:30pm Fri 16 May 14

ballantrrae says...

novascotiagull wrote:
wiseman of hove wrote:
We have had the Barcelona appointment, now it looks like a Real Madrid appointment. Clement should first be a manager in LaLiga.
Can we try the British link this time and appoint Sherwod or whoever?
Uuh outside of the fact there is nothing about a British manager that guarantees success....where is Clement from again?
Novascotiagull just for the record Paul Clement is English, has coached/worked at Chelsea and Fulham before going to Paris St-Germain and then Real Madrid where he is now. As I posted earlier his father played for England and QPR.
A note for the record also for Captain Pugwash. Sherwood's win percentage at Spurs was 61% which is the best any Spurs Manager has ever achieved in the Premier League. So if his record is poor it doesn't say much for the likes of previous Managers like Rednapp and Joll etc.
[quote][p][bold]novascotiagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: We have had the Barcelona appointment, now it looks like a Real Madrid appointment. Clement should first be a manager in LaLiga. Can we try the British link this time and appoint Sherwod or whoever?[/p][/quote]Uuh outside of the fact there is nothing about a British manager that guarantees success....where is Clement from again?[/p][/quote]Novascotiagull just for the record Paul Clement is English, has coached/worked at Chelsea and Fulham before going to Paris St-Germain and then Real Madrid where he is now. As I posted earlier his father played for England and QPR. A note for the record also for Captain Pugwash. Sherwood's win percentage at Spurs was 61% which is the best any Spurs Manager has ever achieved in the Premier League. So if his record is poor it doesn't say much for the likes of previous Managers like Rednapp and Joll etc. ballantrrae
  • Score: 4

8:09pm Fri 16 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Do we currently have a moderator working on this forum. I only ask because I have posted a soccer related news item relating to Las Vegas twice, and on each occasion it has vanished. Am I breaking any rules, if I am then I will desist from doing so.
Do we currently have a moderator working on this forum. I only ask because I have posted a soccer related news item relating to Las Vegas twice, and on each occasion it has vanished. Am I breaking any rules, if I am then I will desist from doing so. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

8:19pm Fri 16 May 14

gordongull says...

The Brian McDermott idea is growing on me. A lot of friction at Leeds with the new owner.
I don't believe Tim Sherwood will be our next Manager,but McDermott has the right credentials. He has presided over a club in disarray this season. Not his fault, so shouldn't be taken into account.
The only way we are going to get out of the Championship is by playing Championship football. McDermott knows that because he has already done it.
The Brian McDermott idea is growing on me. A lot of friction at Leeds with the new owner. I don't believe Tim Sherwood will be our next Manager,but McDermott has the right credentials. He has presided over a club in disarray this season. Not his fault, so shouldn't be taken into account. The only way we are going to get out of the Championship is by playing Championship football. McDermott knows that because he has already done it. gordongull
  • Score: -7

8:54pm Fri 16 May 14

WiseOldSeagull says...

Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
WestStander17 wrote:
This article has brightened my day. Mackay will go to West Brom or Norwich. Nothing against him but wouldn't be my choice.

Clement sounds great to me. Yes, it would be his first job but he has worked under the best managers in the world and he is coaching at the biggest club in the world. Everyone has to have a first job. He would be grateful for the opportunity and unlikely to jump ship quickly especially with the project and facilities we have to offer.

Clement or Zola for me.
Zola? He couldn't get Watford promoted despite having a team full of Udinese loan signings-they choked when it mattered most. Sounds familiar. He's also a close friend of Poyet so don't expect we'll get any good references there.

I think TB has got a couple of prime candidates in mind but is waiting to see who gets their applications in. Tony Bloom is not stupid-he will have learned an awful lot over the last 2 or 3 seasons and I have no doubt he'll be bringing in exactly the right man for the job. One thing for sure, we will not be looking for hoofball has-beens. This club has moved forward massively and he won't be looking to take us backwards, especially with that fantastic Academy/Training Facility ready for our new management team.

Mackay? Wouldn't have been excited by his appointment.
Sherwood? Same thing-he had a massive squad worth a couple of hundred million but had a poor win % record at Spurs.
Clement? Could be a master stroke or disaster. His coaching pedigree looks impressive, just like the then unproven Brendan Rodgers a few years ago. Well connected, intelligent-just unproven as was Poyet.

Interesting times at The Albion yet again. much better than getting excited at signing the likes of Mahoney-Johnson all those years ago.
Sherwood a poor win% at Spurs??????????
Tim Sherwood left White Hart Lane with the best win ration of any Spurs boss since the beginning of the Premier League. (59%)
I clearly misheard or mis-read that % thing about Sherwood.
I believe he had a very poor loss ratio. Didn't draw a game, won 59% but lost 41%.
[quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: This article has brightened my day. Mackay will go to West Brom or Norwich. Nothing against him but wouldn't be my choice. Clement sounds great to me. Yes, it would be his first job but he has worked under the best managers in the world and he is coaching at the biggest club in the world. Everyone has to have a first job. He would be grateful for the opportunity and unlikely to jump ship quickly especially with the project and facilities we have to offer. Clement or Zola for me.[/p][/quote]Zola? He couldn't get Watford promoted despite having a team full of Udinese loan signings-they choked when it mattered most. Sounds familiar. He's also a close friend of Poyet so don't expect we'll get any good references there. I think TB has got a couple of prime candidates in mind but is waiting to see who gets their applications in. Tony Bloom is not stupid-he will have learned an awful lot over the last 2 or 3 seasons and I have no doubt he'll be bringing in exactly the right man for the job. One thing for sure, we will not be looking for hoofball has-beens. This club has moved forward massively and he won't be looking to take us backwards, especially with that fantastic Academy/Training Facility ready for our new management team. Mackay? Wouldn't have been excited by his appointment. Sherwood? Same thing-he had a massive squad worth a couple of hundred million but had a poor win % record at Spurs. Clement? Could be a master stroke or disaster. His coaching pedigree looks impressive, just like the then unproven Brendan Rodgers a few years ago. Well connected, intelligent-just unproven as was Poyet. Interesting times at The Albion yet again. much better than getting excited at signing the likes of Mahoney-Johnson all those years ago.[/p][/quote]Sherwood a poor win% at Spurs?????????? Tim Sherwood left White Hart Lane with the best win ration of any Spurs boss since the beginning of the Premier League. (59%)[/p][/quote]I clearly misheard or mis-read that % thing about Sherwood.[/p][/quote]I believe he had a very poor loss ratio. Didn't draw a game, won 59% but lost 41%. WiseOldSeagull
  • Score: 2

9:00pm Fri 16 May 14

Claude Back says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Do we currently have a moderator working on this forum. I only ask because I have posted a soccer related news item relating to Las Vegas twice, and on each occasion it has vanished. Am I breaking any rules, if I am then I will desist from doing so.
Vegas, I share your concern.
Yesterday I posted a humorous reply a la Freeloaders to Jonathan Mouette's post. It was not meant seriously and anyone with any common sense would have realised that. That post together with all the complimentary remarks posted from E.P. Arnie and Singing Seagull Indonesia all disappeared last night.
Either the moderator of this Forum does not understand satire or parody or someone complained thinking I was Freeloaders. If the latter I am not quite sure whether to be flattered or appalled. ;-)
However, this highlights the warning I gave to S.S. Indonesia about having blanket censorship for anyone person. It's very much a case of what Mark Anthony said at Caesar's funeral: 'The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones'...if you get my drift. (it's not a good analogy but I cannot think of another this late, except maybe baby and bathwater.)
I would very much like to learn why my posts and yours were removed. It cannot be a legal requirement. If the Argus think so then I would love to have that debate in view of my background.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Do we currently have a moderator working on this forum. I only ask because I have posted a soccer related news item relating to Las Vegas twice, and on each occasion it has vanished. Am I breaking any rules, if I am then I will desist from doing so.[/p][/quote]Vegas, I share your concern. Yesterday I posted a humorous reply a la Freeloaders to Jonathan Mouette's post. It was not meant seriously and anyone with any common sense would have realised that. That post together with all the complimentary remarks posted from E.P. Arnie and Singing Seagull Indonesia all disappeared last night. Either the moderator of this Forum does not understand satire or parody or someone complained thinking I was Freeloaders. If the latter I am not quite sure whether to be flattered or appalled. ;-) However, this highlights the warning I gave to S.S. Indonesia about having blanket censorship for anyone person. It's very much a case of what Mark Anthony said at Caesar's funeral: 'The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones'...if you get my drift. (it's not a good analogy but I cannot think of another this late, except maybe baby and bathwater.) I would very much like to learn why my posts and yours were removed. It cannot be a legal requirement. If the Argus think so then I would love to have that debate in view of my background. Claude Back
  • Score: 2

9:18pm Fri 16 May 14

fairweathersupporter says...

Claude Back wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Do we currently have a moderator working on this forum. I only ask because I have posted a soccer related news item relating to Las Vegas twice, and on each occasion it has vanished. Am I breaking any rules, if I am then I will desist from doing so.
Vegas, I share your concern.
Yesterday I posted a humorous reply a la Freeloaders to Jonathan Mouette's post. It was not meant seriously and anyone with any common sense would have realised that. That post together with all the complimentary remarks posted from E.P. Arnie and Singing Seagull Indonesia all disappeared last night.
Either the moderator of this Forum does not understand satire or parody or someone complained thinking I was Freeloaders. If the latter I am not quite sure whether to be flattered or appalled. ;-)
However, this highlights the warning I gave to S.S. Indonesia about having blanket censorship for anyone person. It's very much a case of what Mark Anthony said at Caesar's funeral: 'The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones'...if you get my drift. (it's not a good analogy but I cannot think of another this late, except maybe baby and bathwater.)
I would very much like to learn why my posts and yours were removed. It cannot be a legal requirement. If the Argus think so then I would love to have that debate in view of my background.
Claude, at the risk of getting a life but for the sake of the enjoyment of posting on here, you will be aware from my post the other day that i had some experience of 'censorship'.
I reported my own post to seek a reply but alas to date have heard nothing. I did however point out that should such activity persist without good reason, the removal of the 'your voice' caption above the Argus logo really should be removed or perhaps changed to something more suitable (suggestions please).
Regards Fairweathersupporter
.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Do we currently have a moderator working on this forum. I only ask because I have posted a soccer related news item relating to Las Vegas twice, and on each occasion it has vanished. Am I breaking any rules, if I am then I will desist from doing so.[/p][/quote]Vegas, I share your concern. Yesterday I posted a humorous reply a la Freeloaders to Jonathan Mouette's post. It was not meant seriously and anyone with any common sense would have realised that. That post together with all the complimentary remarks posted from E.P. Arnie and Singing Seagull Indonesia all disappeared last night. Either the moderator of this Forum does not understand satire or parody or someone complained thinking I was Freeloaders. If the latter I am not quite sure whether to be flattered or appalled. ;-) However, this highlights the warning I gave to S.S. Indonesia about having blanket censorship for anyone person. It's very much a case of what Mark Anthony said at Caesar's funeral: 'The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones'...if you get my drift. (it's not a good analogy but I cannot think of another this late, except maybe baby and bathwater.) I would very much like to learn why my posts and yours were removed. It cannot be a legal requirement. If the Argus think so then I would love to have that debate in view of my background.[/p][/quote]Claude, at the risk of getting a life but for the sake of the enjoyment of posting on here, you will be aware from my post the other day that i had some experience of 'censorship'. I reported my own post to seek a reply but alas to date have heard nothing. I did however point out that should such activity persist without good reason, the removal of the 'your voice' caption above the Argus logo really should be removed or perhaps changed to something more suitable (suggestions please). Regards Fairweathersupporter . fairweathersupporter
  • Score: 1

9:37pm Fri 16 May 14

pte says...

TB has appointed men who have not managed on their own before. I hope he employs someone with experience. You need someone who knows how to get his way with the DOF. Sometimes it's a mistake to appoint someone who though knowledgeable has only worked in subordinate roles and used to following orders. You need someone who knows how to give orders and deal with the DOF and chairman.

If TB is waiting for TS to make his mind up he should line up a second choice then tell TS to make his mind up or else.

The position will only appeal to a manager who sees it as a step up from a less positioned club, a Holloway or a McCarthy. For the likes of TS and MM they will want a Prem club or a Championship club with parachutes. For them Brighton would be a step down.

No matter how good TS is I'd rather have a half decent manager now than have to wait for TS in a month or so time even if he were to come
TB has appointed men who have not managed on their own before. I hope he employs someone with experience. You need someone who knows how to get his way with the DOF. Sometimes it's a mistake to appoint someone who though knowledgeable has only worked in subordinate roles and used to following orders. You need someone who knows how to give orders and deal with the DOF and chairman. If TB is waiting for TS to make his mind up he should line up a second choice then tell TS to make his mind up or else. The position will only appeal to a manager who sees it as a step up from a less positioned club, a Holloway or a McCarthy. For the likes of TS and MM they will want a Prem club or a Championship club with parachutes. For them Brighton would be a step down. No matter how good TS is I'd rather have a half decent manager now than have to wait for TS in a month or so time even if he were to come pte
  • Score: 0

9:52pm Fri 16 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Claude Back wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Do we currently have a moderator working on this forum. I only ask because I have posted a soccer related news item relating to Las Vegas twice, and on each occasion it has vanished. Am I breaking any rules, if I am then I will desist from doing so.
Vegas, I share your concern.
Yesterday I posted a humorous reply a la Freeloaders to Jonathan Mouette's post. It was not meant seriously and anyone with any common sense would have realised that. That post together with all the complimentary remarks posted from E.P. Arnie and Singing Seagull Indonesia all disappeared last night.
Either the moderator of this Forum does not understand satire or parody or someone complained thinking I was Freeloaders. If the latter I am not quite sure whether to be flattered or appalled. ;-)
However, this highlights the warning I gave to S.S. Indonesia about having blanket censorship for anyone person. It's very much a case of what Mark Anthony said at Caesar's funeral: 'The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones'...if you get my drift. (it's not a good analogy but I cannot think of another this late, except maybe baby and bathwater.)
I would very much like to learn why my posts and yours were removed. It cannot be a legal requirement. If the Argus think so then I would love to have that debate in view of my background.
but what I don't understand is why, my submitted comments were not in anyway rude or harmful, just a little bit of soccer news from Las Vegas.
I don't agree with censorship, but I also don't see the need to allow just anything to be posted. Free speech is one thing but shouting, FIRE, in a crowded building when there is no fire, is something else.
I won't post my comment again, but with a little effort and a search engine, I am sure you will find to what I was commenting on.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Do we currently have a moderator working on this forum. I only ask because I have posted a soccer related news item relating to Las Vegas twice, and on each occasion it has vanished. Am I breaking any rules, if I am then I will desist from doing so.[/p][/quote]Vegas, I share your concern. Yesterday I posted a humorous reply a la Freeloaders to Jonathan Mouette's post. It was not meant seriously and anyone with any common sense would have realised that. That post together with all the complimentary remarks posted from E.P. Arnie and Singing Seagull Indonesia all disappeared last night. Either the moderator of this Forum does not understand satire or parody or someone complained thinking I was Freeloaders. If the latter I am not quite sure whether to be flattered or appalled. ;-) However, this highlights the warning I gave to S.S. Indonesia about having blanket censorship for anyone person. It's very much a case of what Mark Anthony said at Caesar's funeral: 'The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones'...if you get my drift. (it's not a good analogy but I cannot think of another this late, except maybe baby and bathwater.) I would very much like to learn why my posts and yours were removed. It cannot be a legal requirement. If the Argus think so then I would love to have that debate in view of my background.[/p][/quote]but what I don't understand is why, my submitted comments were not in anyway rude or harmful, just a little bit of soccer news from Las Vegas. I don't agree with censorship, but I also don't see the need to allow just anything to be posted. Free speech is one thing but shouting, FIRE, in a crowded building when there is no fire, is something else. I won't post my comment again, but with a little effort and a search engine, I am sure you will find to what I was commenting on. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

9:55pm Fri 16 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

So how long do you guys think we will have to wait before we find out who our next manager will be, a couple of days, weeks or a month, longer?
So how long do you guys think we will have to wait before we find out who our next manager will be, a couple of days, weeks or a month, longer? VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

9:57pm Fri 16 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
It's one of the biggest leagues in the world and widely watched, so it's not like managing a small club in the Belgian third division. And considering 1/4 of the division changes every season, someone who has been away for two years might actually only know half of it anyway.

So, can someone explicitly state what "someone who knows the league" actually means in practical terms?
The teams might change Ex-pat Arnie, but the Championship doesn't.
Take a look at the Managers who have achieved promotion over the last three seasons. Do you think a pattern is beginning to emerge?
Nigel Pearson
Sean Dyche
Harry Redknapp or Steve McClaren
Malky Mackay
Steve Bruce
Ian Holloway
Sam Allardyce
Brian McDermott
Nigel Adkins
I would welcome any of those except Adkins, with open arms right now.
(Anyone who found it humorous when McDermott was mentioned earlier should remember that he won 17 of the last 23 to take Reading up in 2011/2012)
Nobody wins anything with wishy- washy tippy tappy nonsense. The ground rules for promotion from this division are power and pace, combined with an attacking intent.
You once asked the question ''What is there to know about the Championship'', and if you remember, I suggested that you ask Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.
But there are far more British managers in The Championship than non-Brits (a greater ratio that in the Premier League), so of course there will be more of them that get promoted. The important stat (if there is one, which I doubt) is the percentage of each type that goes up.

And saying "ask Nigel Pearson and Sean Dyche" is a bit of a cop-out answer, isn't it? Why not ask Dickov, Wilson, Clark or Johnson? All British, not all successful. Pearson has been in charge of Leics for quite a while without getting them promoted before.

A manager's nationality is a red herring.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: It's one of the biggest leagues in the world and widely watched, so it's not like managing a small club in the Belgian third division. And considering 1/4 of the division changes every season, someone who has been away for two years might actually only know half of it anyway. So, can someone explicitly state what "someone who knows the league" actually means in practical terms?[/p][/quote]The teams might change Ex-pat Arnie, but the Championship doesn't. Take a look at the Managers who have achieved promotion over the last three seasons. Do you think a pattern is beginning to emerge? Nigel Pearson Sean Dyche Harry Redknapp or Steve McClaren Malky Mackay Steve Bruce Ian Holloway Sam Allardyce Brian McDermott Nigel Adkins I would welcome any of those except Adkins, with open arms right now. (Anyone who found it humorous when McDermott was mentioned earlier should remember that he won 17 of the last 23 to take Reading up in 2011/2012) Nobody wins anything with wishy- washy tippy tappy nonsense. The ground rules for promotion from this division are power and pace, combined with an attacking intent. You once asked the question ''What is there to know about the Championship'', and if you remember, I suggested that you ask Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.[/p][/quote]But there are far more British managers in The Championship than non-Brits (a greater ratio that in the Premier League), so of course there will be more of them that get promoted. The important stat (if there is one, which I doubt) is the percentage of each type that goes up. And saying "ask Nigel Pearson and Sean Dyche" is a bit of a cop-out answer, isn't it? Why not ask Dickov, Wilson, Clark or Johnson? All British, not all successful. Pearson has been in charge of Leics for quite a while without getting them promoted before. A manager's nationality is a red herring. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

10:00pm Fri 16 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Have you seen the punishment handed down to Man City for flouting the FFP rules, gonna hurt them.
Have you seen the punishment handed down to Man City for flouting the FFP rules, gonna hurt them. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

10:05pm Fri 16 May 14

albionbloke says...

Another farcical example of the FFP rules: Man C fined £48m for breaching the rules but get £32.5m of that back 'if they comply with the rules in the future'. In other words, a suspended sentence. What a joke. Always suspected those in control wouldn't have the balls to follow through and make FFP effective. (And Man C were allowed to 'negotiate' their sentence? Give me a break.)
Another farcical example of the FFP rules: Man C fined £48m for breaching the rules but get £32.5m of that back 'if they comply with the rules in the future'. In other words, a suspended sentence. What a joke. Always suspected those in control wouldn't have the balls to follow through and make FFP effective. (And Man C were allowed to 'negotiate' their sentence? Give me a break.) albionbloke
  • Score: 2

10:37pm Fri 16 May 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

Well here we go again let's get in another guy who is looking for a step up to things better rather than being sensible and going for someone who knows our league and English players, like our rivals from slumville getting Pullis, not got a problem with any other countries players as long as they are not a sick note, can play 90+minutes, have strength and pace!
end of please take note Mr Berk.
Well here we go again let's get in another guy who is looking for a step up to things better rather than being sensible and going for someone who knows our league and English players, like our rivals from slumville getting Pullis, not got a problem with any other countries players as long as they are not a sick note, can play 90+minutes, have strength and pace! end of please take note Mr Berk. Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: 0

10:44pm Fri 16 May 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

albionbloke wrote:
Another farcical example of the FFP rules: Man C fined £48m for breaching the rules but get £32.5m of that back 'if they comply with the rules in the future'. In other words, a suspended sentence. What a joke. Always suspected those in control wouldn't have the balls to follow through and make FFP effective. (And Man C were allowed to 'negotiate' their sentence? Give me a break.)
Agree people ridicule the FIA in F1 but they do stand by there decisions and more to the point if someone appeals and it is upheld they get a double helping, I fear football in General is corrupt, we BHA as a club have been perusing a false dream in that the line has been drawn by this decision, I just hope all the clubs that did comply this season make sure they join forces and go to court to contest any that worm there way out of this.
[quote][p][bold]albionbloke[/bold] wrote: Another farcical example of the FFP rules: Man C fined £48m for breaching the rules but get £32.5m of that back 'if they comply with the rules in the future'. In other words, a suspended sentence. What a joke. Always suspected those in control wouldn't have the balls to follow through and make FFP effective. (And Man C were allowed to 'negotiate' their sentence? Give me a break.)[/p][/quote]Agree people ridicule the FIA in F1 but they do stand by there decisions and more to the point if someone appeals and it is upheld they get a double helping, I fear football in General is corrupt, we BHA as a club have been perusing a false dream in that the line has been drawn by this decision, I just hope all the clubs that did comply this season make sure they join forces and go to court to contest any that worm there way out of this. Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: 3

11:03pm Fri 16 May 14

albionbloke says...

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
albionbloke wrote:
Another farcical example of the FFP rules: Man C fined £48m for breaching the rules but get £32.5m of that back 'if they comply with the rules in the future'. In other words, a suspended sentence. What a joke. Always suspected those in control wouldn't have the balls to follow through and make FFP effective. (And Man C were allowed to 'negotiate' their sentence? Give me a break.)
Agree people ridicule the FIA in F1 but they do stand by there decisions and more to the point if someone appeals and it is upheld they get a double helping, I fear football in General is corrupt, we BHA as a club have been perusing a false dream in that the line has been drawn by this decision, I just hope all the clubs that did comply this season make sure they join forces and go to court to contest any that worm there way out of this.
Agreed wholeheartedly. (Also liked the F1A comparison)
[quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albionbloke[/bold] wrote: Another farcical example of the FFP rules: Man C fined £48m for breaching the rules but get £32.5m of that back 'if they comply with the rules in the future'. In other words, a suspended sentence. What a joke. Always suspected those in control wouldn't have the balls to follow through and make FFP effective. (And Man C were allowed to 'negotiate' their sentence? Give me a break.)[/p][/quote]Agree people ridicule the FIA in F1 but they do stand by there decisions and more to the point if someone appeals and it is upheld they get a double helping, I fear football in General is corrupt, we BHA as a club have been perusing a false dream in that the line has been drawn by this decision, I just hope all the clubs that did comply this season make sure they join forces and go to court to contest any that worm there way out of this.[/p][/quote]Agreed wholeheartedly. (Also liked the F1A comparison) albionbloke
  • Score: 1

11:16pm Fri 16 May 14

Claude Back says...

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
albionbloke wrote:
Another farcical example of the FFP rules: Man C fined £48m for breaching the rules but get £32.5m of that back 'if they comply with the rules in the future'. In other words, a suspended sentence. What a joke. Always suspected those in control wouldn't have the balls to follow through and make FFP effective. (And Man C were allowed to 'negotiate' their sentence? Give me a break.)
Agree people ridicule the FIA in F1 but they do stand by there decisions and more to the point if someone appeals and it is upheld they get a double helping, I fear football in General is corrupt, we BHA as a club have been perusing a false dream in that the line has been drawn by this decision, I just hope all the clubs that did comply this season make sure they join forces and go to court to contest any that worm there way out of this.
I am informed, Duffy, that whatever ruling FIFA or UEFA impose on Man. City is independent of any punishment issued by the F.A.. The F.A. cannot use that as a precedent nor enforce it. This means that a breach of the UEFA FFP rules cannot be held against Man. City by the F.A. who can only deal with breaches of their own 'local' rules.
Consequently, you could see Man. City or any other club not complying with FFP over here issued with a completely different punishment. A problem might arise if such punishment has not been fully disclosed in the Agreement at the outset. The F.A. might come down really hard on the culprits but you and I both know that the likelihood of that is akin to two alike snowflakes.
[quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albionbloke[/bold] wrote: Another farcical example of the FFP rules: Man C fined £48m for breaching the rules but get £32.5m of that back 'if they comply with the rules in the future'. In other words, a suspended sentence. What a joke. Always suspected those in control wouldn't have the balls to follow through and make FFP effective. (And Man C were allowed to 'negotiate' their sentence? Give me a break.)[/p][/quote]Agree people ridicule the FIA in F1 but they do stand by there decisions and more to the point if someone appeals and it is upheld they get a double helping, I fear football in General is corrupt, we BHA as a club have been perusing a false dream in that the line has been drawn by this decision, I just hope all the clubs that did comply this season make sure they join forces and go to court to contest any that worm there way out of this.[/p][/quote]I am informed, Duffy, that whatever ruling FIFA or UEFA impose on Man. City is independent of any punishment issued by the F.A.. The F.A. cannot use that as a precedent nor enforce it. This means that a breach of the UEFA FFP rules cannot be held against Man. City by the F.A. who can only deal with breaches of their own 'local' rules. Consequently, you could see Man. City or any other club not complying with FFP over here issued with a completely different punishment. A problem might arise if such punishment has not been fully disclosed in the Agreement at the outset. The F.A. might come down really hard on the culprits but you and I both know that the likelihood of that is akin to two alike snowflakes. Claude Back
  • Score: 3

11:20pm Fri 16 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

albionbloke wrote:
Another farcical example of the FFP rules: Man C fined £48m for breaching the rules but get £32.5m of that back 'if they comply with the rules in the future'. In other words, a suspended sentence. What a joke. Always suspected those in control wouldn't have the balls to follow through and make FFP effective. (And Man C were allowed to 'negotiate' their sentence? Give me a break.)
Not so sure that you have the measure of the punishment correct. As you say, they will get money back, 'IF,' they follow the rules in future. That means that they will be out of pocket for at least a year, accounts are only submitted once per year. They also have a restriction ont he number of players they can use for the cup competition.
Complying will be hard for City, they must cut spending but have some serious wage packets on their books, and they are looking to add new and exspensive players. Buyer will know of situation so if City want to move a player on, the bid might not be as high as they would hope it to be. When City want to bring a player in, will they be able to offer a wage that is acceptable to the player and will it match what others might offer.
[quote][p][bold]albionbloke[/bold] wrote: Another farcical example of the FFP rules: Man C fined £48m for breaching the rules but get £32.5m of that back 'if they comply with the rules in the future'. In other words, a suspended sentence. What a joke. Always suspected those in control wouldn't have the balls to follow through and make FFP effective. (And Man C were allowed to 'negotiate' their sentence? Give me a break.)[/p][/quote]Not so sure that you have the measure of the punishment correct. As you say, they will get money back, 'IF,' they follow the rules in future. That means that they will be out of pocket for at least a year, accounts are only submitted once per year. They also have a restriction ont he number of players they can use for the cup competition. Complying will be hard for City, they must cut spending but have some serious wage packets on their books, and they are looking to add new and exspensive players. Buyer will know of situation so if City want to move a player on, the bid might not be as high as they would hope it to be. When City want to bring a player in, will they be able to offer a wage that is acceptable to the player and will it match what others might offer. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

11:37pm Fri 16 May 14

gordongull says...

WiseOldSeagull wrote:
Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
WestStander17 wrote:
This article has brightened my day. Mackay will go to West Brom or Norwich. Nothing against him but wouldn't be my choice.

Clement sounds great to me. Yes, it would be his first job but he has worked under the best managers in the world and he is coaching at the biggest club in the world. Everyone has to have a first job. He would be grateful for the opportunity and unlikely to jump ship quickly especially with the project and facilities we have to offer.

Clement or Zola for me.
Zola? He couldn't get Watford promoted despite having a team full of Udinese loan signings-they choked when it mattered most. Sounds familiar. He's also a close friend of Poyet so don't expect we'll get any good references there.

I think TB has got a couple of prime candidates in mind but is waiting to see who gets their applications in. Tony Bloom is not stupid-he will have learned an awful lot over the last 2 or 3 seasons and I have no doubt he'll be bringing in exactly the right man for the job. One thing for sure, we will not be looking for hoofball has-beens. This club has moved forward massively and he won't be looking to take us backwards, especially with that fantastic Academy/Training Facility ready for our new management team.

Mackay? Wouldn't have been excited by his appointment.
Sherwood? Same thing-he had a massive squad worth a couple of hundred million but had a poor win % record at Spurs.
Clement? Could be a master stroke or disaster. His coaching pedigree looks impressive, just like the then unproven Brendan Rodgers a few years ago. Well connected, intelligent-just unproven as was Poyet.

Interesting times at The Albion yet again. much better than getting excited at signing the likes of Mahoney-Johnson all those years ago.
Sherwood a poor win% at Spurs??????????
Tim Sherwood left White Hart Lane with the best win ration of any Spurs boss since the beginning of the Premier League. (59%)
I clearly misheard or mis-read that % thing about Sherwood.
I believe he had a very poor loss ratio. Didn't draw a game, won 59% but lost 41%.
That's the way to do it. Draws are no good. Fortune favours the brave, as the saying goes.
Winning 60% of your games in the Championship gives you 83 points, even if you lose the other 40%.
That would be 4th place this season.
Draw all your games = 46 points, flirting with relegation.
That is why it is vital to appoint a Manager who has done the calculation, and realizes playing not to lose is for losers.
[quote][p][bold]WiseOldSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: This article has brightened my day. Mackay will go to West Brom or Norwich. Nothing against him but wouldn't be my choice. Clement sounds great to me. Yes, it would be his first job but he has worked under the best managers in the world and he is coaching at the biggest club in the world. Everyone has to have a first job. He would be grateful for the opportunity and unlikely to jump ship quickly especially with the project and facilities we have to offer. Clement or Zola for me.[/p][/quote]Zola? He couldn't get Watford promoted despite having a team full of Udinese loan signings-they choked when it mattered most. Sounds familiar. He's also a close friend of Poyet so don't expect we'll get any good references there. I think TB has got a couple of prime candidates in mind but is waiting to see who gets their applications in. Tony Bloom is not stupid-he will have learned an awful lot over the last 2 or 3 seasons and I have no doubt he'll be bringing in exactly the right man for the job. One thing for sure, we will not be looking for hoofball has-beens. This club has moved forward massively and he won't be looking to take us backwards, especially with that fantastic Academy/Training Facility ready for our new management team. Mackay? Wouldn't have been excited by his appointment. Sherwood? Same thing-he had a massive squad worth a couple of hundred million but had a poor win % record at Spurs. Clement? Could be a master stroke or disaster. His coaching pedigree looks impressive, just like the then unproven Brendan Rodgers a few years ago. Well connected, intelligent-just unproven as was Poyet. Interesting times at The Albion yet again. much better than getting excited at signing the likes of Mahoney-Johnson all those years ago.[/p][/quote]Sherwood a poor win% at Spurs?????????? Tim Sherwood left White Hart Lane with the best win ration of any Spurs boss since the beginning of the Premier League. (59%)[/p][/quote]I clearly misheard or mis-read that % thing about Sherwood.[/p][/quote]I believe he had a very poor loss ratio. Didn't draw a game, won 59% but lost 41%.[/p][/quote]That's the way to do it. Draws are no good. Fortune favours the brave, as the saying goes. Winning 60% of your games in the Championship gives you 83 points, even if you lose the other 40%. That would be 4th place this season. Draw all your games = 46 points, flirting with relegation. That is why it is vital to appoint a Manager who has done the calculation, and realizes playing not to lose is for losers. gordongull
  • Score: 3

11:43pm Fri 16 May 14

gordongull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
It's one of the biggest leagues in the world and widely watched, so it's not like managing a small club in the Belgian third division. And considering 1/4 of the division changes every season, someone who has been away for two years might actually only know half of it anyway.

So, can someone explicitly state what "someone who knows the league" actually means in practical terms?
The teams might change Ex-pat Arnie, but the Championship doesn't.
Take a look at the Managers who have achieved promotion over the last three seasons. Do you think a pattern is beginning to emerge?
Nigel Pearson
Sean Dyche
Harry Redknapp or Steve McClaren
Malky Mackay
Steve Bruce
Ian Holloway
Sam Allardyce
Brian McDermott
Nigel Adkins
I would welcome any of those except Adkins, with open arms right now.
(Anyone who found it humorous when McDermott was mentioned earlier should remember that he won 17 of the last 23 to take Reading up in 2011/2012)
Nobody wins anything with wishy- washy tippy tappy nonsense. The ground rules for promotion from this division are power and pace, combined with an attacking intent.
You once asked the question ''What is there to know about the Championship'', and if you remember, I suggested that you ask Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.
But there are far more British managers in The Championship than non-Brits (a greater ratio that in the Premier League), so of course there will be more of them that get promoted. The important stat (if there is one, which I doubt) is the percentage of each type that goes up.

And saying "ask Nigel Pearson and Sean Dyche" is a bit of a cop-out answer, isn't it? Why not ask Dickov, Wilson, Clark or Johnson? All British, not all successful. Pearson has been in charge of Leics for quite a while without getting them promoted before.

A manager's nationality is a red herring.
Ex-pat Arnie, I have never mentioned nationality in any of my correspondence to this site.
My opinions are based entirely on experience.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: It's one of the biggest leagues in the world and widely watched, so it's not like managing a small club in the Belgian third division. And considering 1/4 of the division changes every season, someone who has been away for two years might actually only know half of it anyway. So, can someone explicitly state what "someone who knows the league" actually means in practical terms?[/p][/quote]The teams might change Ex-pat Arnie, but the Championship doesn't. Take a look at the Managers who have achieved promotion over the last three seasons. Do you think a pattern is beginning to emerge? Nigel Pearson Sean Dyche Harry Redknapp or Steve McClaren Malky Mackay Steve Bruce Ian Holloway Sam Allardyce Brian McDermott Nigel Adkins I would welcome any of those except Adkins, with open arms right now. (Anyone who found it humorous when McDermott was mentioned earlier should remember that he won 17 of the last 23 to take Reading up in 2011/2012) Nobody wins anything with wishy- washy tippy tappy nonsense. The ground rules for promotion from this division are power and pace, combined with an attacking intent. You once asked the question ''What is there to know about the Championship'', and if you remember, I suggested that you ask Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.[/p][/quote]But there are far more British managers in The Championship than non-Brits (a greater ratio that in the Premier League), so of course there will be more of them that get promoted. The important stat (if there is one, which I doubt) is the percentage of each type that goes up. And saying "ask Nigel Pearson and Sean Dyche" is a bit of a cop-out answer, isn't it? Why not ask Dickov, Wilson, Clark or Johnson? All British, not all successful. Pearson has been in charge of Leics for quite a while without getting them promoted before. A manager's nationality is a red herring.[/p][/quote]Ex-pat Arnie, I have never mentioned nationality in any of my correspondence to this site. My opinions are based entirely on experience. gordongull
  • Score: 1

11:44pm Fri 16 May 14

albionbloke says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
albionbloke wrote:
Another farcical example of the FFP rules: Man C fined £48m for breaching the rules but get £32.5m of that back 'if they comply with the rules in the future'. In other words, a suspended sentence. What a joke. Always suspected those in control wouldn't have the balls to follow through and make FFP effective. (And Man C were allowed to 'negotiate' their sentence? Give me a break.)
Not so sure that you have the measure of the punishment correct. As you say, they will get money back, 'IF,' they follow the rules in future. That means that they will be out of pocket for at least a year, accounts are only submitted once per year. They also have a restriction ont he number of players they can use for the cup competition.
Complying will be hard for City, they must cut spending but have some serious wage packets on their books, and they are looking to add new and exspensive players. Buyer will know of situation so if City want to move a player on, the bid might not be as high as they would hope it to be. When City want to bring a player in, will they be able to offer a wage that is acceptable to the player and will it match what others might offer.
Agreed...there are other parts of the punishment that could hurt them but m. y point was how EUFA bottled it on the monetary (fine) portion.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albionbloke[/bold] wrote: Another farcical example of the FFP rules: Man C fined £48m for breaching the rules but get £32.5m of that back 'if they comply with the rules in the future'. In other words, a suspended sentence. What a joke. Always suspected those in control wouldn't have the balls to follow through and make FFP effective. (And Man C were allowed to 'negotiate' their sentence? Give me a break.)[/p][/quote]Not so sure that you have the measure of the punishment correct. As you say, they will get money back, 'IF,' they follow the rules in future. That means that they will be out of pocket for at least a year, accounts are only submitted once per year. They also have a restriction ont he number of players they can use for the cup competition. Complying will be hard for City, they must cut spending but have some serious wage packets on their books, and they are looking to add new and exspensive players. Buyer will know of situation so if City want to move a player on, the bid might not be as high as they would hope it to be. When City want to bring a player in, will they be able to offer a wage that is acceptable to the player and will it match what others might offer.[/p][/quote]Agreed...there are other parts of the punishment that could hurt them but m. y point was how EUFA bottled it on the monetary (fine) portion. albionbloke
  • Score: 1

12:22am Sat 17 May 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
So how long do you guys think we will have to wait before we find out who our next manager will be, a couple of days, weeks or a month, longer?
Depends how long it takes David and Nathan to put a team together.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: So how long do you guys think we will have to wait before we find out who our next manager will be, a couple of days, weeks or a month, longer?[/p][/quote]Depends how long it takes David and Nathan to put a team together. gordongull
  • Score: 3

12:41am Sat 17 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
It's one of the biggest leagues in the world and widely watched, so it's not like managing a small club in the Belgian third division. And considering 1/4 of the division changes every season, someone who has been away for two years might actually only know half of it anyway.

So, can someone explicitly state what "someone who knows the league" actually means in practical terms?
The teams might change Ex-pat Arnie, but the Championship doesn't.
Take a look at the Managers who have achieved promotion over the last three seasons. Do you think a pattern is beginning to emerge?
Nigel Pearson
Sean Dyche
Harry Redknapp or Steve McClaren
Malky Mackay
Steve Bruce
Ian Holloway
Sam Allardyce
Brian McDermott
Nigel Adkins
I would welcome any of those except Adkins, with open arms right now.
(Anyone who found it humorous when McDermott was mentioned earlier should remember that he won 17 of the last 23 to take Reading up in 2011/2012)
Nobody wins anything with wishy- washy tippy tappy nonsense. The ground rules for promotion from this division are power and pace, combined with an attacking intent.
You once asked the question ''What is there to know about the Championship'', and if you remember, I suggested that you ask Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.
But there are far more British managers in The Championship than non-Brits (a greater ratio that in the Premier League), so of course there will be more of them that get promoted. The important stat (if there is one, which I doubt) is the percentage of each type that goes up.

And saying "ask Nigel Pearson and Sean Dyche" is a bit of a cop-out answer, isn't it? Why not ask Dickov, Wilson, Clark or Johnson? All British, not all successful. Pearson has been in charge of Leics for quite a while without getting them promoted before.

A manager's nationality is a red herring.
Ex-pat Arnie, I have never mentioned nationality in any of my correspondence to this site.
My opinions are based entirely on experience.
Okay, a manager's experience in this country is a red herring. Teams change from season to season and so do the players. experience is outdated in very short order. I'm still not sure what having managed in this division before brings to the table and no-one has yet managed to articulate it. OG had no experience of the Championship yet still performed better than plenty of teams managed by 'experienced' managers.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: It's one of the biggest leagues in the world and widely watched, so it's not like managing a small club in the Belgian third division. And considering 1/4 of the division changes every season, someone who has been away for two years might actually only know half of it anyway. So, can someone explicitly state what "someone who knows the league" actually means in practical terms?[/p][/quote]The teams might change Ex-pat Arnie, but the Championship doesn't. Take a look at the Managers who have achieved promotion over the last three seasons. Do you think a pattern is beginning to emerge? Nigel Pearson Sean Dyche Harry Redknapp or Steve McClaren Malky Mackay Steve Bruce Ian Holloway Sam Allardyce Brian McDermott Nigel Adkins I would welcome any of those except Adkins, with open arms right now. (Anyone who found it humorous when McDermott was mentioned earlier should remember that he won 17 of the last 23 to take Reading up in 2011/2012) Nobody wins anything with wishy- washy tippy tappy nonsense. The ground rules for promotion from this division are power and pace, combined with an attacking intent. You once asked the question ''What is there to know about the Championship'', and if you remember, I suggested that you ask Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.[/p][/quote]But there are far more British managers in The Championship than non-Brits (a greater ratio that in the Premier League), so of course there will be more of them that get promoted. The important stat (if there is one, which I doubt) is the percentage of each type that goes up. And saying "ask Nigel Pearson and Sean Dyche" is a bit of a cop-out answer, isn't it? Why not ask Dickov, Wilson, Clark or Johnson? All British, not all successful. Pearson has been in charge of Leics for quite a while without getting them promoted before. A manager's nationality is a red herring.[/p][/quote]Ex-pat Arnie, I have never mentioned nationality in any of my correspondence to this site. My opinions are based entirely on experience.[/p][/quote]Okay, a manager's experience in this country is a red herring. Teams change from season to season and so do the players. experience is outdated in very short order. I'm still not sure what having managed in this division before brings to the table and no-one has yet managed to articulate it. OG had no experience of the Championship yet still performed better than plenty of teams managed by 'experienced' managers. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

1:31am Sat 17 May 14

ringtone says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
It's one of the biggest leagues in the world and widely watched, so it's not like managing a small club in the Belgian third division. And considering 1/4 of the division changes every season, someone who has been away for two years might actually only know half of it anyway.

So, can someone explicitly state what "someone who knows the league" actually means in practical terms?
The teams might change Ex-pat Arnie, but the Championship doesn't.
Take a look at the Managers who have achieved promotion over the last three seasons. Do you think a pattern is beginning to emerge?
Nigel Pearson
Sean Dyche
Harry Redknapp or Steve McClaren
Malky Mackay
Steve Bruce
Ian Holloway
Sam Allardyce
Brian McDermott
Nigel Adkins
I would welcome any of those except Adkins, with open arms right now.
(Anyone who found it humorous when McDermott was mentioned earlier should remember that he won 17 of the last 23 to take Reading up in 2011/2012)
Nobody wins anything with wishy- washy tippy tappy nonsense. The ground rules for promotion from this division are power and pace, combined with an attacking intent.
You once asked the question ''What is there to know about the Championship'', and if you remember, I suggested that you ask Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.
But there are far more British managers in The Championship than non-Brits (a greater ratio that in the Premier League), so of course there will be more of them that get promoted. The important stat (if there is one, which I doubt) is the percentage of each type that goes up.

And saying "ask Nigel Pearson and Sean Dyche" is a bit of a cop-out answer, isn't it? Why not ask Dickov, Wilson, Clark or Johnson? All British, not all successful. Pearson has been in charge of Leics for quite a while without getting them promoted before.

A manager's nationality is a red herring.
Ex-pat Arnie, I have never mentioned nationality in any of my correspondence to this site.
My opinions are based entirely on experience.
Okay, a manager's experience in this country is a red herring. Teams change from season to season and so do the players. experience is outdated in very short order. I'm still not sure what having managed in this division before brings to the table and no-one has yet managed to articulate it. OG had no experience of the Championship yet still performed better than plenty of teams managed by 'experienced' managers.
Of course experience of the championship is important look at the list provided by gordongull.

How did OG ever get the job when he could not speak the language, as cited by bloom in his recent interview,

Maybe he used sign language in the interview.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: It's one of the biggest leagues in the world and widely watched, so it's not like managing a small club in the Belgian third division. And considering 1/4 of the division changes every season, someone who has been away for two years might actually only know half of it anyway. So, can someone explicitly state what "someone who knows the league" actually means in practical terms?[/p][/quote]The teams might change Ex-pat Arnie, but the Championship doesn't. Take a look at the Managers who have achieved promotion over the last three seasons. Do you think a pattern is beginning to emerge? Nigel Pearson Sean Dyche Harry Redknapp or Steve McClaren Malky Mackay Steve Bruce Ian Holloway Sam Allardyce Brian McDermott Nigel Adkins I would welcome any of those except Adkins, with open arms right now. (Anyone who found it humorous when McDermott was mentioned earlier should remember that he won 17 of the last 23 to take Reading up in 2011/2012) Nobody wins anything with wishy- washy tippy tappy nonsense. The ground rules for promotion from this division are power and pace, combined with an attacking intent. You once asked the question ''What is there to know about the Championship'', and if you remember, I suggested that you ask Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche.[/p][/quote]But there are far more British managers in The Championship than non-Brits (a greater ratio that in the Premier League), so of course there will be more of them that get promoted. The important stat (if there is one, which I doubt) is the percentage of each type that goes up. And saying "ask Nigel Pearson and Sean Dyche" is a bit of a cop-out answer, isn't it? Why not ask Dickov, Wilson, Clark or Johnson? All British, not all successful. Pearson has been in charge of Leics for quite a while without getting them promoted before. A manager's nationality is a red herring.[/p][/quote]Ex-pat Arnie, I have never mentioned nationality in any of my correspondence to this site. My opinions are based entirely on experience.[/p][/quote]Okay, a manager's experience in this country is a red herring. Teams change from season to season and so do the players. experience is outdated in very short order. I'm still not sure what having managed in this division before brings to the table and no-one has yet managed to articulate it. OG had no experience of the Championship yet still performed better than plenty of teams managed by 'experienced' managers.[/p][/quote]Of course experience of the championship is important look at the list provided by gordongull. How did OG ever get the job when he could not speak the language, as cited by bloom in his recent interview, Maybe he used sign language in the interview. ringtone
  • Score: -2

5:46am Sat 17 May 14

mark by the sea says...

How many foreign managers have gained promotion to the premier league ?
Truth is success is about budget .. Man city won what before the Arab money arrived?!chelsea won what before the Russian ? Look at sides relegated from championship? Poverty corner!
How many foreign managers have gained promotion to the premier league ? Truth is success is about budget .. Man city won what before the Arab money arrived?!chelsea won what before the Russian ? Look at sides relegated from championship? Poverty corner! mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

6:41am Sat 17 May 14

namgo49 says...

Off subject, I see Zoltan Gera released by West Brom. Cracking player with a good attitude.
Off subject, I see Zoltan Gera released by West Brom. Cracking player with a good attitude. namgo49
  • Score: 1

7:01am Sat 17 May 14

mickagull says...

Why are we just talking about Managers who are out of work. We are Brighton super Brighton Tony go and get the best, we are an attractive proposition, ground, training ground, fans, scope. Now bring us the best boss, someone who will be here for years to come.
We are missing a bronze statue outside the Amex of a hero. If it's not Wardy, in ten years time let it be this new Manager.
Why are we just talking about Managers who are out of work. We are Brighton super Brighton Tony go and get the best, we are an attractive proposition, ground, training ground, fans, scope. Now bring us the best boss, someone who will be here for years to come. We are missing a bronze statue outside the Amex of a hero. If it's not Wardy, in ten years time let it be this new Manager. mickagull
  • Score: 0

7:03am Sat 17 May 14

hubby says...

cheese rolls ! wrote:
Howe or Clement please
No chance of getting promoted with another untried manager.
[quote][p][bold]cheese rolls ![/bold] wrote: Howe or Clement please[/p][/quote]No chance of getting promoted with another untried manager. hubby
  • Score: -3

7:13am Sat 17 May 14

namgo49 says...

To be honest Sherwood would be mad not to want to come here. The set up is fantastic with the new training facility, best in the land. As long as he doesn't bring Obika all will be well.
To be honest Sherwood would be mad not to want to come here. The set up is fantastic with the new training facility, best in the land. As long as he doesn't bring Obika all will be well. namgo49
  • Score: -1

8:14am Sat 17 May 14

mark by the sea says...

namgo49 wrote:
To be honest Sherwood would be mad not to want to come here. The set up is fantastic with the new training facility, best in the land. As long as he doesn't bring Obika all will be well.
He won't come here without a budget capable of promotion, sherwood has to take a job he thinks can up his cv , he may be a good coach, and as one of the backroom staff, he took over a squad with ability..
Here he would need to bring in 8 players at least .. That's a lot different than taking a existing squad over mid season.
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: To be honest Sherwood would be mad not to want to come here. The set up is fantastic with the new training facility, best in the land. As long as he doesn't bring Obika all will be well.[/p][/quote]He won't come here without a budget capable of promotion, sherwood has to take a job he thinks can up his cv , he may be a good coach, and as one of the backroom staff, he took over a squad with ability.. Here he would need to bring in 8 players at least .. That's a lot different than taking a existing squad over mid season. mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

8:26am Sat 17 May 14

Claude Back says...

mark by the sea wrote:
namgo49 wrote:
To be honest Sherwood would be mad not to want to come here. The set up is fantastic with the new training facility, best in the land. As long as he doesn't bring Obika all will be well.
He won't come here without a budget capable of promotion, sherwood has to take a job he thinks can up his cv , he may be a good coach, and as one of the backroom staff, he took over a squad with ability..
Here he would need to bring in 8 players at least .. That's a lot different than taking a existing squad over mid season.
Exactly.
Nevertheless, he might still be able to do it.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: To be honest Sherwood would be mad not to want to come here. The set up is fantastic with the new training facility, best in the land. As long as he doesn't bring Obika all will be well.[/p][/quote]He won't come here without a budget capable of promotion, sherwood has to take a job he thinks can up his cv , he may be a good coach, and as one of the backroom staff, he took over a squad with ability.. Here he would need to bring in 8 players at least .. That's a lot different than taking a existing squad over mid season.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Nevertheless, he might still be able to do it. Claude Back
  • Score: 6

9:15am Sat 17 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

namgo49 wrote:
Off subject, I see Zoltan Gera released by West Brom. Cracking player with a good attitude.
30 league appearances in the last 3 seasons? I think not :-)
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: Off subject, I see Zoltan Gera released by West Brom. Cracking player with a good attitude.[/p][/quote]30 league appearances in the last 3 seasons? I think not :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

9:40am Sat 17 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
namgo49 wrote:
Off subject, I see Zoltan Gera released by West Brom. Cracking player with a good attitude.
30 league appearances in the last 3 seasons? I think not :-)
15 more than Dunk!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: Off subject, I see Zoltan Gera released by West Brom. Cracking player with a good attitude.[/p][/quote]30 league appearances in the last 3 seasons? I think not :-)[/p][/quote]15 more than Dunk! mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

10:17am Sat 17 May 14

ballantrrae says...

Having read and considered all the postings above commenting and/or suggesting who might be worth appointing our next Manager I find myself leaning towards the younger candidates.
The most successful Managers in British football tend not to move from club to club prime examples of this being Ferguson and Wenger. Looking back much the same could be said of Robson, Shankly, Stein, Busby, Paisley, Stan Cullis at Wolves, Bill Nicholson and from an earlier age, Chapman at Arsenal. For that reason I would not include the likes of McCarthy and McDermot on any short list.
However, if it were feasible budget-wise, I might encourage any young Manager in the running to consider having an experienced Coach/Manager as his No 2.
So with the added objective of trying to appoint a Manager who can not only potentially get us to the Premier League but has the credentials and ability to manage us when we get there for the foreseeable future I would be in favour of Paul Clement perhaps backed by Steve Clarke. Sherwood and Clarke would also be an interesting combination. Both combinations have coaching substance as well as both the dynamic of youthful ambition as offered by Sherwood and Clement and experience with Clarke. Such a pairing would certainly be 'Premier League Ready' and would send out a strong message to potential player signings (including possible loan signings from the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal etc) of the Albion's ambition and intent.
I appreciate that such an idea is a 'flight of fancy' on my part and probably not practical financially but sometimes it is good to dream and as the song says 'if you never have a dream you will never have a dream come true'.
I anticipate quite a bit of 'flack' regarding this thought but I felt I might as well go ahead to widen the debate.
The most important thing is that TB appoints the right Manager (and his team) now and that we are not faced with a similar situation in 12 months time. Therefore the wider the debate now and the broader the spectrum of potential candidates being considered is the better. UTA.
Having read and considered all the postings above commenting and/or suggesting who might be worth appointing our next Manager I find myself leaning towards the younger candidates. The most successful Managers in British football tend not to move from club to club prime examples of this being Ferguson and Wenger. Looking back much the same could be said of Robson, Shankly, Stein, Busby, Paisley, Stan Cullis at Wolves, Bill Nicholson and from an earlier age, Chapman at Arsenal. For that reason I would not include the likes of McCarthy and McDermot on any short list. However, if it were feasible budget-wise, I might encourage any young Manager in the running to consider having an experienced Coach/Manager as his No 2. So with the added objective of trying to appoint a Manager who can not only potentially get us to the Premier League but has the credentials and ability to manage us when we get there for the foreseeable future I would be in favour of Paul Clement perhaps backed by Steve Clarke. Sherwood and Clarke would also be an interesting combination. Both combinations have coaching substance as well as both the dynamic of youthful ambition as offered by Sherwood and Clement and experience with Clarke. Such a pairing would certainly be 'Premier League Ready' and would send out a strong message to potential player signings (including possible loan signings from the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal etc) of the Albion's ambition and intent. I appreciate that such an idea is a 'flight of fancy' on my part and probably not practical financially but sometimes it is good to dream and as the song says 'if you never have a dream you will never have a dream come true'. I anticipate quite a bit of 'flack' regarding this thought but I felt I might as well go ahead to widen the debate. The most important thing is that TB appoints the right Manager (and his team) now and that we are not faced with a similar situation in 12 months time. Therefore the wider the debate now and the broader the spectrum of potential candidates being considered is the better. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 5

12:27pm Sat 17 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
namgo49 wrote:
Off subject, I see Zoltan Gera released by West Brom. Cracking player with a good attitude.
30 league appearances in the last 3 seasons? I think not :-)
15 more than Dunk!
Dunk has been available and is still very young and has played nearly 50 (not 15, although I'll admit they are almost homophones) matches. Gera is perennially injured and 35, which is way too old apparently.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: Off subject, I see Zoltan Gera released by West Brom. Cracking player with a good attitude.[/p][/quote]30 league appearances in the last 3 seasons? I think not :-)[/p][/quote]15 more than Dunk![/p][/quote]Dunk has been available and is still very young and has played nearly 50 (not 15, although I'll admit they are almost homophones) matches. Gera is perennially injured and 35, which is way too old apparently. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

12:56pm Sat 17 May 14

sussexgull1900 says...

Jules boy wrote:
I'm very confident of a quality appointment, this job is a great opportunity with the biggest club outside the PL, great stadium, training academy and best support and also offers a superb lifestyle in beautiful Sussex where you could be on the beach 1 min and walking the Downs within ten. I think there's more funds available than meets the eye, I believe Tony could see the cracks appearing with Oscar by the Jan transfer window and didn't want to commit money until the summer window - get ready for next season - think it could be the big one!
No offence mate, but we are CLEARLY not the biggest team outside the Premier League.

Not sure how anyone can say we are. Lets be realistic here.
[quote][p][bold]Jules boy[/bold] wrote: I'm very confident of a quality appointment, this job is a great opportunity with the biggest club outside the PL, great stadium, training academy and best support and also offers a superb lifestyle in beautiful Sussex where you could be on the beach 1 min and walking the Downs within ten. I think there's more funds available than meets the eye, I believe Tony could see the cracks appearing with Oscar by the Jan transfer window and didn't want to commit money until the summer window - get ready for next season - think it could be the big one![/p][/quote]No offence mate, but we are CLEARLY not the biggest team outside the Premier League. Not sure how anyone can say we are. Lets be realistic here. sussexgull1900
  • Score: 5

8:12pm Sat 17 May 14

pte says...

mark by the sea wrote:
namgo49 wrote:
To be honest Sherwood would be mad not to want to come here. The set up is fantastic with the new training facility, best in the land. As long as he doesn't bring Obika all will be well.
He won't come here without a budget capable of promotion, sherwood has to take a job he thinks can up his cv , he may be a good coach, and as one of the backroom staff, he took over a squad with ability..
Here he would need to bring in 8 players at least .. That's a lot different than taking a existing squad over mid season.
Agree 100% but if TS comes it will mean TB means business like when Bamber brought Clough. If TS doesn't come then it's more of the same.

Might be TS has been recouping his outlay on the stadium for the last 3 years as he needs the money. Playing wage budget can't be more than 10m, half that covered by TV money before you get to sponsorship merchandising and gate receipts. Quite clearly this club is a golden goose despite the declared paper losses. TB might be coming to realise that he will kill the golden goose if he keeps taking money out without putting anything in.
We will know which it is by the caliber of the manager.

When was the last time a foreign speaking manager won anything? BTW how can you possibly interview them and make a proper decision? The chairmen must appoint them without ever seeing them!

When was the last time anyone was promoted by tippy tappy football? West Ham hired Allardyce for a quick fix and maybe we need to do similar
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: To be honest Sherwood would be mad not to want to come here. The set up is fantastic with the new training facility, best in the land. As long as he doesn't bring Obika all will be well.[/p][/quote]He won't come here without a budget capable of promotion, sherwood has to take a job he thinks can up his cv , he may be a good coach, and as one of the backroom staff, he took over a squad with ability.. Here he would need to bring in 8 players at least .. That's a lot different than taking a existing squad over mid season.[/p][/quote]Agree 100% but if TS comes it will mean TB means business like when Bamber brought Clough. If TS doesn't come then it's more of the same. Might be TS has been recouping his outlay on the stadium for the last 3 years as he needs the money. Playing wage budget can't be more than 10m, half that covered by TV money before you get to sponsorship merchandising and gate receipts. Quite clearly this club is a golden goose despite the declared paper losses. TB might be coming to realise that he will kill the golden goose if he keeps taking money out without putting anything in. We will know which it is by the caliber of the manager. When was the last time a foreign speaking manager won anything? BTW how can you possibly interview them and make a proper decision? The chairmen must appoint them without ever seeing them! When was the last time anyone was promoted by tippy tappy football? West Ham hired Allardyce for a quick fix and maybe we need to do similar pte
  • Score: -3

9:27pm Sat 17 May 14

gordongull says...

pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
namgo49 wrote:
To be honest Sherwood would be mad not to want to come here. The set up is fantastic with the new training facility, best in the land. As long as he doesn't bring Obika all will be well.
He won't come here without a budget capable of promotion, sherwood has to take a job he thinks can up his cv , he may be a good coach, and as one of the backroom staff, he took over a squad with ability..
Here he would need to bring in 8 players at least .. That's a lot different than taking a existing squad over mid season.
Agree 100% but if TS comes it will mean TB means business like when Bamber brought Clough. If TS doesn't come then it's more of the same.

Might be TS has been recouping his outlay on the stadium for the last 3 years as he needs the money. Playing wage budget can't be more than 10m, half that covered by TV money before you get to sponsorship merchandising and gate receipts. Quite clearly this club is a golden goose despite the declared paper losses. TB might be coming to realise that he will kill the golden goose if he keeps taking money out without putting anything in.
We will know which it is by the caliber of the manager.

When was the last time a foreign speaking manager won anything? BTW how can you possibly interview them and make a proper decision? The chairmen must appoint them without ever seeing them!

When was the last time anyone was promoted by tippy tappy football? West Ham hired Allardyce for a quick fix and maybe we need to do similar
Tony Bloom has injected around £140m into the Club to finance infrastructure.
Losses this season are expected to be around £8m, which means Mr Bloom will need to inject £5m of equity to stay on the right side of FFP regulations.

Tim Sherwood probably sees himself as a Premier League Manager after his relatively successful time at Spurs. He could quickly become disillusioned if he ends up in the Championship working with minimal resources.

I would welcome a foreign speaking Manager with a good track record at this level, but as you, there aren't any.
To appoint a Manager without experience and reasonable success in the English Leagues is a massive risk, and in my view would indicate either lack of ambition or naivety.

You are right about the style of football, pte. It needs to be discarded, and replaced by a system which has been proved to be successful.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: To be honest Sherwood would be mad not to want to come here. The set up is fantastic with the new training facility, best in the land. As long as he doesn't bring Obika all will be well.[/p][/quote]He won't come here without a budget capable of promotion, sherwood has to take a job he thinks can up his cv , he may be a good coach, and as one of the backroom staff, he took over a squad with ability.. Here he would need to bring in 8 players at least .. That's a lot different than taking a existing squad over mid season.[/p][/quote]Agree 100% but if TS comes it will mean TB means business like when Bamber brought Clough. If TS doesn't come then it's more of the same. Might be TS has been recouping his outlay on the stadium for the last 3 years as he needs the money. Playing wage budget can't be more than 10m, half that covered by TV money before you get to sponsorship merchandising and gate receipts. Quite clearly this club is a golden goose despite the declared paper losses. TB might be coming to realise that he will kill the golden goose if he keeps taking money out without putting anything in. We will know which it is by the caliber of the manager. When was the last time a foreign speaking manager won anything? BTW how can you possibly interview them and make a proper decision? The chairmen must appoint them without ever seeing them! When was the last time anyone was promoted by tippy tappy football? West Ham hired Allardyce for a quick fix and maybe we need to do similar[/p][/quote]Tony Bloom has injected around £140m into the Club to finance infrastructure. Losses this season are expected to be around £8m, which means Mr Bloom will need to inject £5m of equity to stay on the right side of FFP regulations. Tim Sherwood probably sees himself as a Premier League Manager after his relatively successful time at Spurs. He could quickly become disillusioned if he ends up in the Championship working with minimal resources. I would welcome a foreign speaking Manager with a good track record at this level, but as you, there aren't any. To appoint a Manager without experience and reasonable success in the English Leagues is a massive risk, and in my view would indicate either lack of ambition or naivety. You are right about the style of football, pte. It needs to be discarded, and replaced by a system which has been proved to be successful. gordongull
  • Score: -3

9:31pm Sat 17 May 14

gordongull says...

(Previous post refers to points made by pte.)
(Previous post refers to points made by pte.) gordongull
  • Score: -1

10:38pm Sat 17 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

mickagull wrote:
Why are we just talking about Managers who are out of work. We are Brighton super Brighton Tony go and get the best, we are an attractive proposition, ground, training ground, fans, scope. Now bring us the best boss, someone who will be here for years to come.
We are missing a bronze statue outside the Amex of a hero. If it's not Wardy, in ten years time let it be this new Manager.
What won't be attractive to any top, strong manager is the set up - I'd be delighted and love to be proved wrong but two have left because of it so until that changes I can guess the guy Paul Clement will be the kind of guy we will get. Young, inexperienced in any managerial roll and just happy to be managing in the English Championship.
[quote][p][bold]mickagull[/bold] wrote: Why are we just talking about Managers who are out of work. We are Brighton super Brighton Tony go and get the best, we are an attractive proposition, ground, training ground, fans, scope. Now bring us the best boss, someone who will be here for years to come. We are missing a bronze statue outside the Amex of a hero. If it's not Wardy, in ten years time let it be this new Manager.[/p][/quote]What won't be attractive to any top, strong manager is the set up - I'd be delighted and love to be proved wrong but two have left because of it so until that changes I can guess the guy Paul Clement will be the kind of guy we will get. Young, inexperienced in any managerial roll and just happy to be managing in the English Championship. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 3

1:12am Sun 18 May 14

pte says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
mickagull wrote:
Why are we just talking about Managers who are out of work. We are Brighton super Brighton Tony go and get the best, we are an attractive proposition, ground, training ground, fans, scope. Now bring us the best boss, someone who will be here for years to come.
We are missing a bronze statue outside the Amex of a hero. If it's not Wardy, in ten years time let it be this new Manager.
What won't be attractive to any top, strong manager is the set up - I'd be delighted and love to be proved wrong but two have left because of it so until that changes I can guess the guy Paul Clement will be the kind of guy we will get. Young, inexperienced in any managerial roll and just happy to be managing in the English Championship.
Agree and last two appointments were men who were new to management in the UK. Plus TB won't want to pay compensation so it'll be a new or out of work manager. There will be an interesting merry go round early in the season and everyone will be waiting to see where Moyes ends up.

We will have to be realistic about who we get. I think as a club we are big enough to tempt Holloway as he would see us as a step up from Millwall. If Warnock wanted to come out of retirement he'd be OK. Used to managing chaotic badly run clubs (QPR and then Leeds)
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickagull[/bold] wrote: Why are we just talking about Managers who are out of work. We are Brighton super Brighton Tony go and get the best, we are an attractive proposition, ground, training ground, fans, scope. Now bring us the best boss, someone who will be here for years to come. We are missing a bronze statue outside the Amex of a hero. If it's not Wardy, in ten years time let it be this new Manager.[/p][/quote]What won't be attractive to any top, strong manager is the set up - I'd be delighted and love to be proved wrong but two have left because of it so until that changes I can guess the guy Paul Clement will be the kind of guy we will get. Young, inexperienced in any managerial roll and just happy to be managing in the English Championship.[/p][/quote]Agree and last two appointments were men who were new to management in the UK. Plus TB won't want to pay compensation so it'll be a new or out of work manager. There will be an interesting merry go round early in the season and everyone will be waiting to see where Moyes ends up. We will have to be realistic about who we get. I think as a club we are big enough to tempt Holloway as he would see us as a step up from Millwall. If Warnock wanted to come out of retirement he'd be OK. Used to managing chaotic badly run clubs (QPR and then Leeds) pte
  • Score: -6

11:26am Sun 18 May 14

Ontheline says...

Good !
Good ! Ontheline
  • Score: 0

11:57am Sun 18 May 14

SonnyJim55 says...

Just listened to TS on Goals on Sunday, very impressive, think Bloom should give him a call now if he hasn't already done so.
Just listened to TS on Goals on Sunday, very impressive, think Bloom should give him a call now if he hasn't already done so. SonnyJim55
  • Score: 2

1:15pm Mon 19 May 14

Cap'n Pugwash says...

gordongull wrote:
WiseOldSeagull wrote:
Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
WestStander17 wrote:
This article has brightened my day. Mackay will go to West Brom or Norwich. Nothing against him but wouldn't be my choice.

Clement sounds great to me. Yes, it would be his first job but he has worked under the best managers in the world and he is coaching at the biggest club in the world. Everyone has to have a first job. He would be grateful for the opportunity and unlikely to jump ship quickly especially with the project and facilities we have to offer.

Clement or Zola for me.
Zola? He couldn't get Watford promoted despite having a team full of Udinese loan signings-they choked when it mattered most. Sounds familiar. He's also a close friend of Poyet so don't expect we'll get any good references there.

I think TB has got a couple of prime candidates in mind but is waiting to see who gets their applications in. Tony Bloom is not stupid-he will have learned an awful lot over the last 2 or 3 seasons and I have no doubt he'll be bringing in exactly the right man for the job. One thing for sure, we will not be looking for hoofball has-beens. This club has moved forward massively and he won't be looking to take us backwards, especially with that fantastic Academy/Training Facility ready for our new management team.

Mackay? Wouldn't have been excited by his appointment.
Sherwood? Same thing-he had a massive squad worth a couple of hundred million but had a poor win % record at Spurs.
Clement? Could be a master stroke or disaster. His coaching pedigree looks impressive, just like the then unproven Brendan Rodgers a few years ago. Well connected, intelligent-just unproven as was Poyet.

Interesting times at The Albion yet again. much better than getting excited at signing the likes of Mahoney-Johnson all those years ago.
Sherwood a poor win% at Spurs??????????
Tim Sherwood left White Hart Lane with the best win ration of any Spurs boss since the beginning of the Premier League. (59%)
I clearly misheard or mis-read that % thing about Sherwood.
I believe he had a very poor loss ratio. Didn't draw a game, won 59% but lost 41%.
That's the way to do it. Draws are no good. Fortune favours the brave, as the saying goes.
Winning 60% of your games in the Championship gives you 83 points, even if you lose the other 40%.
That would be 4th place this season.
Draw all your games = 46 points, flirting with relegation.
That is why it is vital to appoint a Manager who has done the calculation, and realizes playing not to lose is for losers.
If we really want to discuss percentages:

AVB had an overall win % of 67.50 (53.7 in the PL, 57.69 in Cups) overall 67.5% is pretty darn good and that is the side Sherwood inherited.

TS in contrast had 59.09% in the PL, 16.67% in cups. 57.14% overall.

We are already cr@p in cups and knockout games these days-TS fits in nicely there.

Having said that, I think Tony Bloom might surprise a few people with his next appointment and I don't think it will be Sherwood, No evidence, just a personal hunch. Expect Sherwood to unveiled as our new man by Wednesday :-)
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WiseOldSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: This article has brightened my day. Mackay will go to West Brom or Norwich. Nothing against him but wouldn't be my choice. Clement sounds great to me. Yes, it would be his first job but he has worked under the best managers in the world and he is coaching at the biggest club in the world. Everyone has to have a first job. He would be grateful for the opportunity and unlikely to jump ship quickly especially with the project and facilities we have to offer. Clement or Zola for me.[/p][/quote]Zola? He couldn't get Watford promoted despite having a team full of Udinese loan signings-they choked when it mattered most. Sounds familiar. He's also a close friend of Poyet so don't expect we'll get any good references there. I think TB has got a couple of prime candidates in mind but is waiting to see who gets their applications in. Tony Bloom is not stupid-he will have learned an awful lot over the last 2 or 3 seasons and I have no doubt he'll be bringing in exactly the right man for the job. One thing for sure, we will not be looking for hoofball has-beens. This club has moved forward massively and he won't be looking to take us backwards, especially with that fantastic Academy/Training Facility ready for our new management team. Mackay? Wouldn't have been excited by his appointment. Sherwood? Same thing-he had a massive squad worth a couple of hundred million but had a poor win % record at Spurs. Clement? Could be a master stroke or disaster. His coaching pedigree looks impressive, just like the then unproven Brendan Rodgers a few years ago. Well connected, intelligent-just unproven as was Poyet. Interesting times at The Albion yet again. much better than getting excited at signing the likes of Mahoney-Johnson all those years ago.[/p][/quote]Sherwood a poor win% at Spurs?????????? Tim Sherwood left White Hart Lane with the best win ration of any Spurs boss since the beginning of the Premier League. (59%)[/p][/quote]I clearly misheard or mis-read that % thing about Sherwood.[/p][/quote]I believe he had a very poor loss ratio. Didn't draw a game, won 59% but lost 41%.[/p][/quote]That's the way to do it. Draws are no good. Fortune favours the brave, as the saying goes. Winning 60% of your games in the Championship gives you 83 points, even if you lose the other 40%. That would be 4th place this season. Draw all your games = 46 points, flirting with relegation. That is why it is vital to appoint a Manager who has done the calculation, and realizes playing not to lose is for losers.[/p][/quote]If we really want to discuss percentages: AVB had an overall win % of 67.50 (53.7 in the PL, 57.69 in Cups) overall 67.5% is pretty darn good and that is the side Sherwood inherited. TS in contrast had 59.09% in the PL, 16.67% in cups. 57.14% overall. We are already cr@p in cups and knockout games these days-TS fits in nicely there. Having said that, I think Tony Bloom might surprise a few people with his next appointment and I don't think it will be Sherwood, No evidence, just a personal hunch. Expect Sherwood to unveiled as our new man by Wednesday :-) Cap'n Pugwash
  • Score: 0

3:44pm Wed 21 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

ballantrrae wrote:
fairweathersupporter wrote:
I believe we will get a good quality replacement manager. A tacical genius? A yes man? Experienced? Was not too keen on Mackay and better have been mentioned. I have some resevations about Clements lack of experience as outlined in this (very) long but hopefully thought provoking post trawled from the depths of recurring topics on here and elsewhere .
We all trust in Tony but I do however notice some small but still audible dissension in the direction of our owner for the issues i summarise below . He has a lot invested in the club and it will not realise it's full (financial) potential until we are in the Premiership. So it does not take a genius or (even indeed ringtone et al) to work out he will do everything possible to get us there. His methods are not and should not be completely beyond question but alternatives are a bit thin on the ground and as I have suggested on several occasions, a potential nightmare; Imagine some foreign owner changing our kit colours and merging with Crawley to form Sussex Utd or how about merging with Palarse for M23 FC (can't think how merging with Crawley would financially benefit us but you get my point and as for the other...). Stupid perhaps but not so completely off the wall by today's standards. Milking us in the Championship, as some have suggested, pales into insignificance to the financial rewards of the Premier League. So if he wishes to profit on his investment, then guess where the real money is. His leadership (and money) thus far has enough slack to take up several seasons 'trapped' in the Championship and even i'd guess the unthinkable; relegation. His leadership also has enough slack to accept his judgement on the likes of Burke (with perhaps a caveat). Tony beyond criticism? No. Beyond ill informed, impatient and ignorant ranting? Yes. Not that i believe that he reads this site or NSC but the themes would be known to him. He engages with the fans and would describe himself as one.Oscar's 'dignified' exit is due as much to lack of dynamism and failure to deliver on his attacking mantra, as his dissatisfaction with stormy January's and communication issues. This opinion was shared by the majority of support who never completely took to him. The fairer were willing to give him a chance and drink sangria, the ugly were calling his brand dull and wanting at least a change in tactics. Maybe not fan power (and such a thing does i believe still exist and no i don't believe in father Christmas) but it was noted by the powers that be and a factor but not the decisive one.

Manager wise; we need someone in charge with some balls, especially with a DoF or HoFO in the mix. Someone who will fight for every penny to spend on players and make the DoF's life hell (or at least earn their keep). As with any deal, there is always room for negotiation, a shrinking 'yes man' will not compete for the best deal and neither will the quiet pragmatist. For all Gus's ego, he was not found wanting in this department. I have been consistent in his defence but acknowledge his failings. This is not anti anyone or anything, just good business. DoF or HoFO is where we are. In any case, free spending managers are as much of a menace as DoF's and the decline of many a club can be attributed to them and their short sighted boards, so think on.

Basically the TB interview was what we were expecting. I am neither totally placated nor overly angered by it's content, as much of it is pretty reasonable, predictable stuff and much of the hyperbole on this site is answered. On the plus side it appears that there are two sides to every story (and i never knew that...). On the minus, it does not address the main issue of the damage caused by another fall out (or misunderstanding), albeit with less fireworks, at a crucial time of the season. These are boardroom issues but also deserve some explanation and have caused concern on here and throughout the fan base.You really want to be going into a play off semi with all guns blazing and your broadside timed to perfection. Twice, we have now sailed against the prevailing wind, with our guns aimed in different directions. Swept away by a tide of malignant frustration. This built up over the preceding months, manager or head coach and some of the players, not rowing nor indeed sailing in the same direction. Victory was taken from us, or only seen through the blind eye, on both occasions. All aboard the good ship BHA! Let us head for treasure island via calmer waters; next time...
Too many players coming towards the end of their contracts at the same time does not help the issue. The argument about them playing for a contract is pretty useless if they're playing well enough to get a better one elsewhere. It does not make good business sense and it has a pernicious effect on the dressing room. Some will always be coming to the end of a deal but too many this season and it needed addressing earlier. The Barnes situation was left to drag on and served little purpose. As for managers being disillusioned at the point of no return? Well let's try and sort it before this comes to realisation, or at the very least head them off at the pass. The discontent was audible from both OG and Gus long before the final curtain. But we didn't dress for the occasion and waited around outside, only to be told the show was over.
The team has arguably been good enough on both occasions. Evidence may suggest otherwise but the circumstances need serious consideration. On both occasions, over the two games, we have been outplayed. That is a broader issue than being beaten by a better team. The Palace fracas was as much down to issues within the club and with Gus more than the footballing 'genius' of Zaha. Derby better team, of course but were we prepared for the challenge; not as much as we could have been, i suspect. So some recognition of opportunities passed up on, would perhaps be in order and an ability to learn from our mistakes. Admitting to some of them is important for the transparency of our supposedly 'ethical' club. We do like doing things right, after all.
The January transfer window also has to be looked at. Mr Bloom may not like it but let's be good boy Scouts and at least 'be prepared'. It's not going away and whilst other teams take advantage, it is our Achilles heel. Last season (2012-13) i get the distinct impression that big Len was purely a result of Gus firing his toys into orbit. This season, well... If injuries and other factors dictate that we are short in January, then let us at least have some viable targets. Grabban was a spectacular failure. Could we really offer less than Bournemouth? And i am not one to encourage spending profligacy but really? If the somewhat shy Oscar was not addressing these issues or was being 'unrealistic', then what was the DoF doing? This is not confined to this season or January. Our ability to get players that we want is not a shiny, happy place. It is a dark wasteland, littered with no strikers and a shortage of box to box midfielders and yes i do take into account the horrendous injury list and wage bill but it goes beyond this. Loan land is a happier but sometimes strange place. One we should obviously utilize but not become overly reliant on. CMS was a notable exception to our signings effort but that was a while ago now and BB (Before Burke). Playing hardball is all very well but no good if you have no one to play with. It's not just a question of money. You can throw money around, it burns pretty well but spending it wisely is the key and persuading people to part with it the tricky bit. The short term vision and organisation of the January transfer window cost us more than we saved. There are people employed responsible for this sort of thing. Some criticism is deserved and cannot be wholly defended by platitudes. But ultimately it is his employer who answers for this and i have heard no answer other than 'he is doing a good job'. I appreciate that expecting an answer is something that i was accused of a while ago by 'B rian Tawses' left foot but i am not that naive, i will however pose the question.
These are issues that need to be addressed or at least acknowledged. I do not ask for the head of Oscar Garcia or even Mr Burke. I just ask to be treated like an adult and see us reach our goal. Perhaps we will get some answers, perhaps we won't but it's a long summer and i guess we will see what we have harvested when Autumn comes.
Fairweathersupporter I always enjoy reading and appreciate your postings. However I don't think I have enjoyed any as much as this one - heartfelt, reasoned, balanced and well written.
I too share your (implied) reservations about our HOF and the recruitment department.
Whether or not there is actually a real issue here or not is not really relevant. The fact that Oscar clearly did think THERE WAS (and arguably Poyet before him) is the real issue.
Tony Bloom, whether he likes it or not, needs to acknowledge this 'perceived weakness' and to address it so that the newly appointed Manager, whoever he might be, doesn't reach a similar viewpoint.
DB might be doing a great job but it means nothing unless the Manager he is working alongside believes he is and feels that he is receiving the best support possible from the recruitment side of BHA.
At the end of the day that means delivering within Budget the players the Manager wants to sign.
Should this perceived issue (of the HOF and his team underperforming) raise its head again I would suggest that TB would need to ask some very serious questions both of the personnel involved and the recruitment structure.
I am sure TB won't turn a blind eye to this and I am equally certain that both during the process of appointing a new Manager and after he joins that TB will ensure that the new Manager fully understands the procedures involved. Most importantly he should make sure in future that there is harmony, an agreed budget, proper communication and a common strategy employed by everybody involved when trying to sign players
I have posted before that with the club getting so many things right it is a pity that one 'perceived' weakness seems to be holding us back. That perception needs addressing and, if the weakness is a real one and not just a perceived one, needs rectifying if we are to reach the Premier League.
UTA.
Both these posts are of outstandingly good quality and strike right at the heart of the problem. Just wish the powers-that-be were to read these words (unlikely).
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: I believe we will get a good quality replacement manager. A tacical genius? A yes man? Experienced? Was not too keen on Mackay and better have been mentioned. I have some resevations about Clements lack of experience as outlined in this (very) long but hopefully thought provoking post trawled from the depths of recurring topics on here and elsewhere . We all trust in Tony but I do however notice some small but still audible dissension in the direction of our owner for the issues i summarise below . He has a lot invested in the club and it will not realise it's full (financial) potential until we are in the Premiership. So it does not take a genius or (even indeed ringtone et al) to work out he will do everything possible to get us there. His methods are not and should not be completely beyond question but alternatives are a bit thin on the ground and as I have suggested on several occasions, a potential nightmare; Imagine some foreign owner changing our kit colours and merging with Crawley to form Sussex Utd or how about merging with Palarse for M23 FC (can't think how merging with Crawley would financially benefit us but you get my point and as for the other...). Stupid perhaps but not so completely off the wall by today's standards. Milking us in the Championship, as some have suggested, pales into insignificance to the financial rewards of the Premier League. So if he wishes to profit on his investment, then guess where the real money is. His leadership (and money) thus far has enough slack to take up several seasons 'trapped' in the Championship and even i'd guess the unthinkable; relegation. His leadership also has enough slack to accept his judgement on the likes of Burke (with perhaps a caveat). Tony beyond criticism? No. Beyond ill informed, impatient and ignorant ranting? Yes. Not that i believe that he reads this site or NSC but the themes would be known to him. He engages with the fans and would describe himself as one.Oscar's 'dignified' exit is due as much to lack of dynamism and failure to deliver on his attacking mantra, as his dissatisfaction with stormy January's and communication issues. This opinion was shared by the majority of support who never completely took to him. The fairer were willing to give him a chance and drink sangria, the ugly were calling his brand dull and wanting at least a change in tactics. Maybe not fan power (and such a thing does i believe still exist and no i don't believe in father Christmas) but it was noted by the powers that be and a factor but not the decisive one. Manager wise; we need someone in charge with some balls, especially with a DoF or HoFO in the mix. Someone who will fight for every penny to spend on players and make the DoF's life hell (or at least earn their keep). As with any deal, there is always room for negotiation, a shrinking 'yes man' will not compete for the best deal and neither will the quiet pragmatist. For all Gus's ego, he was not found wanting in this department. I have been consistent in his defence but acknowledge his failings. This is not anti anyone or anything, just good business. DoF or HoFO is where we are. In any case, free spending managers are as much of a menace as DoF's and the decline of many a club can be attributed to them and their short sighted boards, so think on. Basically the TB interview was what we were expecting. I am neither totally placated nor overly angered by it's content, as much of it is pretty reasonable, predictable stuff and much of the hyperbole on this site is answered. On the plus side it appears that there are two sides to every story (and i never knew that...). On the minus, it does not address the main issue of the damage caused by another fall out (or misunderstanding), albeit with less fireworks, at a crucial time of the season. These are boardroom issues but also deserve some explanation and have caused concern on here and throughout the fan base.You really want to be going into a play off semi with all guns blazing and your broadside timed to perfection. Twice, we have now sailed against the prevailing wind, with our guns aimed in different directions. Swept away by a tide of malignant frustration. This built up over the preceding months, manager or head coach and some of the players, not rowing nor indeed sailing in the same direction. Victory was taken from us, or only seen through the blind eye, on both occasions. All aboard the good ship BHA! Let us head for treasure island via calmer waters; next time... Too many players coming towards the end of their contracts at the same time does not help the issue. The argument about them playing for a contract is pretty useless if they're playing well enough to get a better one elsewhere. It does not make good business sense and it has a pernicious effect on the dressing room. Some will always be coming to the end of a deal but too many this season and it needed addressing earlier. The Barnes situation was left to drag on and served little purpose. As for managers being disillusioned at the point of no return? Well let's try and sort it before this comes to realisation, or at the very least head them off at the pass. The discontent was audible from both OG and Gus long before the final curtain. But we didn't dress for the occasion and waited around outside, only to be told the show was over. The team has arguably been good enough on both occasions. Evidence may suggest otherwise but the circumstances need serious consideration. On both occasions, over the two games, we have been outplayed. That is a broader issue than being beaten by a better team. The Palace fracas was as much down to issues within the club and with Gus more than the footballing 'genius' of Zaha. Derby better team, of course but were we prepared for the challenge; not as much as we could have been, i suspect. So some recognition of opportunities passed up on, would perhaps be in order and an ability to learn from our mistakes. Admitting to some of them is important for the transparency of our supposedly 'ethical' club. We do like doing things right, after all. The January transfer window also has to be looked at. Mr Bloom may not like it but let's be good boy Scouts and at least 'be prepared'. It's not going away and whilst other teams take advantage, it is our Achilles heel. Last season (2012-13) i get the distinct impression that big Len was purely a result of Gus firing his toys into orbit. This season, well... If injuries and other factors dictate that we are short in January, then let us at least have some viable targets. Grabban was a spectacular failure. Could we really offer less than Bournemouth? And i am not one to encourage spending profligacy but really? If the somewhat shy Oscar was not addressing these issues or was being 'unrealistic', then what was the DoF doing? This is not confined to this season or January. Our ability to get players that we want is not a shiny, happy place. It is a dark wasteland, littered with no strikers and a shortage of box to box midfielders and yes i do take into account the horrendous injury list and wage bill but it goes beyond this. Loan land is a happier but sometimes strange place. One we should obviously utilize but not become overly reliant on. CMS was a notable exception to our signings effort but that was a while ago now and BB (Before Burke). Playing hardball is all very well but no good if you have no one to play with. It's not just a question of money. You can throw money around, it burns pretty well but spending it wisely is the key and persuading people to part with it the tricky bit. The short term vision and organisation of the January transfer window cost us more than we saved. There are people employed responsible for this sort of thing. Some criticism is deserved and cannot be wholly defended by platitudes. But ultimately it is his employer who answers for this and i have heard no answer other than 'he is doing a good job'. I appreciate that expecting an answer is something that i was accused of a while ago by 'B rian Tawses' left foot but i am not that naive, i will however pose the question. These are issues that need to be addressed or at least acknowledged. I do not ask for the head of Oscar Garcia or even Mr Burke. I just ask to be treated like an adult and see us reach our goal. Perhaps we will get some answers, perhaps we won't but it's a long summer and i guess we will see what we have harvested when Autumn comes.[/p][/quote]Fairweathersupporter I always enjoy reading and appreciate your postings. However I don't think I have enjoyed any as much as this one - heartfelt, reasoned, balanced and well written. I too share your (implied) reservations about our HOF and the recruitment department. Whether or not there is actually a real issue here or not is not really relevant. The fact that Oscar clearly did think THERE WAS (and arguably Poyet before him) is the real issue. Tony Bloom, whether he likes it or not, needs to acknowledge this 'perceived weakness' and to address it so that the newly appointed Manager, whoever he might be, doesn't reach a similar viewpoint. DB might be doing a great job but it means nothing unless the Manager he is working alongside believes he is and feels that he is receiving the best support possible from the recruitment side of BHA. At the end of the day that means delivering within Budget the players the Manager wants to sign. Should this perceived issue (of the HOF and his team underperforming) raise its head again I would suggest that TB would need to ask some very serious questions both of the personnel involved and the recruitment structure. I am sure TB won't turn a blind eye to this and I am equally certain that both during the process of appointing a new Manager and after he joins that TB will ensure that the new Manager fully understands the procedures involved. Most importantly he should make sure in future that there is harmony, an agreed budget, proper communication and a common strategy employed by everybody involved when trying to sign players I have posted before that with the club getting so many things right it is a pity that one 'perceived' weakness seems to be holding us back. That perception needs addressing and, if the weakness is a real one and not just a perceived one, needs rectifying if we are to reach the Premier League. UTA.[/p][/quote]Both these posts are of outstandingly good quality and strike right at the heart of the problem. Just wish the powers-that-be were to read these words (unlikely). Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

5:56am Thu 22 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
namgo49 wrote: To be honest Sherwood would be mad not to want to come here. The set up is fantastic with the new training facility, best in the land. As long as he doesn't bring Obika all will be well.
He won't come here without a budget capable of promotion, sherwood has to take a job he thinks can up his cv , he may be a good coach, and as one of the backroom staff, he took over a squad with ability.. Here he would need to bring in 8 players at least .. That's a lot different than taking a existing squad over mid season.
Agree 100% but if TS comes it will mean TB means business like when Bamber brought Clough. If TS doesn't come then it's more of the same. Might be TS has been recouping his outlay on the stadium for the last 3 years as he needs the money. Playing wage budget can't be more than 10m, half that covered by TV money before you get to sponsorship merchandising and gate receipts. Quite clearly this club is a golden goose despite the declared paper losses. TB might be coming to realise that he will kill the golden goose if he keeps taking money out without putting anything in. We will know which it is by the caliber of the manager. When was the last time a foreign speaking manager won anything? BTW how can you possibly interview them and make a proper decision? The chairmen must appoint them without ever seeing them! When was the last time anyone was promoted by tippy tappy football? West Ham hired Allardyce for a quick fix and maybe we need to do similar
In answer to your question about when a foreign-speaking manager last won anything, the answer was: the exact same day that you asked the question (Arsene Wenger / FA Cup).

Regards promotion from Champ'ship playing "tippy tappy" football, the answer is Swansea just three years ago.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: To be honest Sherwood would be mad not to want to come here. The set up is fantastic with the new training facility, best in the land. As long as he doesn't bring Obika all will be well.[/p][/quote]He won't come here without a budget capable of promotion, sherwood has to take a job he thinks can up his cv , he may be a good coach, and as one of the backroom staff, he took over a squad with ability.. Here he would need to bring in 8 players at least .. That's a lot different than taking a existing squad over mid season.[/p][/quote]Agree 100% but if TS comes it will mean TB means business like when Bamber brought Clough. If TS doesn't come then it's more of the same. Might be TS has been recouping his outlay on the stadium for the last 3 years as he needs the money. Playing wage budget can't be more than 10m, half that covered by TV money before you get to sponsorship merchandising and gate receipts. Quite clearly this club is a golden goose despite the declared paper losses. TB might be coming to realise that he will kill the golden goose if he keeps taking money out without putting anything in. We will know which it is by the caliber of the manager. When was the last time a foreign speaking manager won anything? BTW how can you possibly interview them and make a proper decision? The chairmen must appoint them without ever seeing them! When was the last time anyone was promoted by tippy tappy football? West Ham hired Allardyce for a quick fix and maybe we need to do similar[/p][/quote]In answer to your question about when a foreign-speaking manager last won anything, the answer was: the exact same day that you asked the question (Arsene Wenger / FA Cup). Regards promotion from Champ'ship playing "tippy tappy" football, the answer is Swansea just three years ago. Captain Haddock
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