Ward hopes it wasn't the last time

Stephen Ward

Remember him? Gary Borrowdale

Former loan star Wayne Bridge

Joe Mattock was a popular on-loan left-back

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Stephen Ward admits he did not pause to grab possibly a last glimpse of the Amex as an Albion player.

But, as he heads off for international duty and his summer holiday, he will be hoping those who take care of business have sorted him out an exciting challenge next season.

And, unless his opinion has changed since the resignation of Oscar Garcia, he would love that challenge be at the Amex.

Ward has continued a recent tradition of on-loan left-backs at Albion.

His performances last season both in defence and helping out the attack earned him a lot of admirers among Seagulls supporters after let go on loan by Wolves.

Kenny Jackett has hinted he does not have a future at Molineux, even though there is still a year left on his contract.

Hence Albion fans hope the 2-1 defeat to Derby was not the last time they saw him at home in their colours.

Ward told The Argus: “I didn’t have time to reflect as I came off at the end of that game.

“Whatever happens will be done in the summer.

“I’m hopeful that is not going to be my last game at the Amex for Brighton.

“It’s difficult. I’m contracted so there are a lot of negotiations and talks to go on behind the scenes that will not even involve me.

“I will leave that all to the powers that be in the summer.

“But I don’t have one negative word to say about this place and how this year has gone for me.

“It has been a fantastic move for me, a real breath of fresh air in my career.”

Ward was named in the Republic of Ireland squad for four friendlies, starting a week on Sunday against Turkey in Dublin.

Seagulls fans will keep an eye on his form hoping he could be back in their colours again.

They might also reflect that we have been here before.

A successful loan stint at left-back does not necessarily lead to a permanent deal, even when the player is out of contract or out of favour at his parent club.

Two years ago, many Albion supporters were keen on bringing back Joe Mattock.

When Mattock was released by West Brom, there were many who thought the next move was to get him to the Amex.

But he only made it back to Falmer as a member of the Sheffield Wednesday side hammered 3-0 early in the season.

Wayne Bridge scored that night in the early days of a fabulous season on loan from Manchester City.

When his loan stint with the Seagulls and contract at City both ran out, there were probably some fans on the South Coast dreaming he would sign on a more permanent deal.

But he always looked way out of the Seagulls’ range and they probably dodged a bullet given the troubled campaign he has just finished at Reading.

To a lesser extent, Gary Borrowdale and Matt Richards also did enough when playing at left-back on loan, to have fans hoping they would return.

Richards did indeed come back for the start of 2008-09, but only on loan again.

Borrowdale was brought in from QPR to help in the Great Escape later that season and did well in the run-in under Russell Slade.

But he did not return.

The only left-back to make it permanent in the summer after a loan spell was Marcos Painter in 2010.

Ward could change that. But the situation at Albion has changed since he last spoke of his hopes and ambitions.

LEFT-BACK LOANS

Albion have started with a loan player at left-back in 96 of their last 109 league games, dating back to Joe Mattock’s full debut in a 2-1 win at Leeds in February 2012. Here is the breakdown...

44: Stephen Ward (loan)

37: Wayne Bridge (loan)

14: Joe Mattock (loan)

7: Marcos Painter

5: Inigo Calderon.

1: Gonzalo Jara Reyes (loan), Vitalijs Maksimenko.

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12:53pm Sat 17 May 14

To baldly go says...

As posted earlier, it's all about the money! Not Ward being greedy but the last year on his existing contract, if Wolves can agree a deal with him regarding his outstanding wages, then we could possibly afford him, Wolves pay him off, say about £300k and we buy him for about £700k, with the money they save on his wage that works out to about £1m for Wolves, a fair valuation imo, having said that, others will be watching and with parachute payments will probably pay over the odds, we will just have to wait and see?
We have Chicksen and Maksimenko on the books so the club might feel that's enough at left back and use the money else where.
As posted earlier, it's all about the money! Not Ward being greedy but the last year on his existing contract, if Wolves can agree a deal with him regarding his outstanding wages, then we could possibly afford him, Wolves pay him off, say about £300k and we buy him for about £700k, with the money they save on his wage that works out to about £1m for Wolves, a fair valuation imo, having said that, others will be watching and with parachute payments will probably pay over the odds, we will just have to wait and see? We have Chicksen and Maksimenko on the books so the club might feel that's enough at left back and use the money else where. To baldly go
  • Score: 7

1:00pm Sat 17 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

With Ward not needed by his parent club, one would think that a season long loan deal could once again be put in place today, with the option to buy once we have a new manager. By taking this route we are assured of his services for the coming season and the player will know that his immidiate future is sorted.
Wolves will surely want to sell him, his contract still has a retail value, but the suits at Brighton could negotiate a purchase agreement but defer to the new manager to give the deal his approval.
If you think about it, Ward was player of the year in some people's eyes, if we don't sign him a lot of fans will ask why we didn't, I don't think our new manager will want to P off the fans right from the get go. It could be that a little bit of politics is being played out, club wants Ward, fans too but the suits don't want to appear to be stepping on the new guys toes, so Ward can become the new guys first signing and get the fans on board from day one.
With Ward not needed by his parent club, one would think that a season long loan deal could once again be put in place today, with the option to buy once we have a new manager. By taking this route we are assured of his services for the coming season and the player will know that his immidiate future is sorted. Wolves will surely want to sell him, his contract still has a retail value, but the suits at Brighton could negotiate a purchase agreement but defer to the new manager to give the deal his approval. If you think about it, Ward was player of the year in some people's eyes, if we don't sign him a lot of fans will ask why we didn't, I don't think our new manager will want to P off the fans right from the get go. It could be that a little bit of politics is being played out, club wants Ward, fans too but the suits don't want to appear to be stepping on the new guys toes, so Ward can become the new guys first signing and get the fans on board from day one. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

1:15pm Sat 17 May 14

barnieb says...

Hope we can retain Wardy,his commitment is second to none and his goals have been invaluable this season. C'mon board push the boat out for one of the outstanding players of this campaign,a player who never lets the team down.
Hope we can retain Wardy,his commitment is second to none and his goals have been invaluable this season. C'mon board push the boat out for one of the outstanding players of this campaign,a player who never lets the team down. barnieb
  • Score: 19

1:22pm Sat 17 May 14

farside says...

You forgot Adam Chicksen.

Finding the Argus' tendency to introduce negatives in almost all reports about the Albion and it's management intriguing. Totally ignoring Tony Bloom's recent interviee with the BBC which was mildly ascerbic towards a perceived anti-club slant fives weight to the impression that maybe the local paper and local club have fallen out. Sometjing that would be detrimental to both parties and to the fans who come here for informed news. Hopefully it will resolve itself.
You forgot Adam Chicksen. Finding the Argus' tendency to introduce negatives in almost all reports about the Albion and it's management intriguing. Totally ignoring Tony Bloom's recent interviee with the BBC which was mildly ascerbic towards a perceived anti-club slant fives weight to the impression that maybe the local paper and local club have fallen out. Sometjing that would be detrimental to both parties and to the fans who come here for informed news. Hopefully it will resolve itself. farside
  • Score: 3

1:47pm Sat 17 May 14

twonk says...

Didn't we get this article last week?
Didn't we get this article last week? twonk
  • Score: 2

2:40pm Sat 17 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

Surely surely it has to be worth offering money to sign him up on a permanent? If he is valued by the club then it's a no brainer, there are plenty of other clubs who will step in otherwise. Then again it depends on what the new manager wants to do and what money is available, but Ward is surely within our budget. Let's not hang around and rue a good player walking away.
Surely surely it has to be worth offering money to sign him up on a permanent? If he is valued by the club then it's a no brainer, there are plenty of other clubs who will step in otherwise. Then again it depends on what the new manager wants to do and what money is available, but Ward is surely within our budget. Let's not hang around and rue a good player walking away. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 8

3:46pm Sat 17 May 14

eastbourneseagull says...

Sign him up! Player of the Year for me. Outstanding attitude and effort week in week out...and some great crosses too!
Sign him up! Player of the Year for me. Outstanding attitude and effort week in week out...and some great crosses too! eastbourneseagull
  • Score: 10

7:11pm Sat 17 May 14

Max Ripple says...

Great player but is he really within our budget? Variously reported wage figures are frightening. £40k per week? £17k per week? We are talking a cash strapped Championship club here. Trying to work within FFP rules. £40k a week is £2 million a year! We've supposedly got to get our operating deficit down to £3 million at the end of next season. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, chaps.
Great player but is he really within our budget? Variously reported wage figures are frightening. £40k per week? £17k per week? We are talking a cash strapped Championship club here. Trying to work within FFP rules. £40k a week is £2 million a year! We've supposedly got to get our operating deficit down to £3 million at the end of next season. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, chaps. Max Ripple
  • Score: 6

7:54pm Sat 17 May 14

daughter-of-manag says...

I go away for a week or so and look what happens! With regards to OG's departure, I feel that he was a decent, humble bloke who did pretty well in taking us to the play offs. I'm not sure he's had too much say in transfers and loans - and I can understand there may have been tension created by the strange loan deal, that made Lingard's inclusion in the team mandatory for so many minutes of each game. OG's team selection and tactics would have been a tad constrained, to say the least. Ulloa's body language showed a lack of support for JL and growing frustration, and I wonder how LS's arrival annoyed the rest of the squad? With CMS chomping at the bit to play, and JL's very average performances, OG could not freely (perhaps) coach as he could have done sans JL.

OG inherited a strong squad with an attractive style of play that we all enjoyed under GP. Many of us were excited by the OG era, with promises of expansive, attacking football, and the squad (possibly) filled with Barca youth and B team players - "OLE" and all of that jazz. Appointing a Spanish speaking coach would have helped to settle down the anxious Spanish speaking players in the team.

GP's departure guaranteed us that (once GP secured a manger's position with a Premiership club), we would lose some of our best players ... Bridcut departed and we held on for dear life to Buckley (not sure why?). The cherries' Grabber grabbed a better deal, and we acquired a couple of average players in return.

Tactics have been frustrating. From GP's expansive, one touch football, we have evolved into a pass-hoof-miss pass-hoof kind of a team. Lingard's arrival did force OG's hand to play 2 up front, but, to be honest, 'evolution' has been a retrograde experience, and passion, flair and attitude have been and questionable these past couple of months.

Well done OG, you did a good job with limited financial resources, but we need to push for a top two finish and that means spending a few quid in order to get many quids by becoming a premier league team. Not sure why Orlandi and Hoskinls weren't given a years contract - and Jones has to be stopped drawing from his Yeovil bag of tricks!

Unfortunately, I can't see TS coming here, but I would certainly welcome him, or the likes of any manager committed to expansive football, or, at the very least, a coach that despises hoof ball as much as many of us do.
I go away for a week or so and look what happens! With regards to OG's departure, I feel that he was a decent, humble bloke who did pretty well in taking us to the play offs. I'm not sure he's had too much say in transfers and loans - and I can understand there may have been tension created by the strange loan deal, that made Lingard's inclusion in the team mandatory for so many minutes of each game. OG's team selection and tactics would have been a tad constrained, to say the least. Ulloa's body language showed a lack of support for JL and growing frustration, and I wonder how LS's arrival annoyed the rest of the squad? With CMS chomping at the bit to play, and JL's very average performances, OG could not freely (perhaps) coach as he could have done sans JL. OG inherited a strong squad with an attractive style of play that we all enjoyed under GP. Many of us were excited by the OG era, with promises of expansive, attacking football, and the squad (possibly) filled with Barca youth and B team players - "OLE" and all of that jazz. Appointing a Spanish speaking coach would have helped to settle down the anxious Spanish speaking players in the team. GP's departure guaranteed us that (once GP secured a manger's position with a Premiership club), we would lose some of our best players ... Bridcut departed and we held on for dear life to Buckley (not sure why?). The cherries' Grabber grabbed a better deal, and we acquired a couple of average players in return. Tactics have been frustrating. From GP's expansive, one touch football, we have evolved into a pass-hoof-miss pass-hoof kind of a team. Lingard's arrival did force OG's hand to play 2 up front, but, to be honest, 'evolution' has been a retrograde experience, and passion, flair and attitude have been and questionable these past couple of months. Well done OG, you did a good job with limited financial resources, but we need to push for a top two finish and that means spending a few quid in order to get many quids by becoming a premier league team. Not sure why Orlandi and Hoskinls weren't given a years contract - and Jones has to be stopped drawing from his Yeovil bag of tricks! Unfortunately, I can't see TS coming here, but I would certainly welcome him, or the likes of any manager committed to expansive football, or, at the very least, a coach that despises hoof ball as much as many of us do. daughter-of-manag
  • Score: 11

7:57pm Sat 17 May 14

namgo49 says...

eastbourneseagull wrote:
Sign him up! Player of the Year for me. Outstanding attitude and effort week in week out...and some great crosses too!
Totally agree, has had a great season with us and is a thoroughly decent chap. Get him permanently on a 2 year deal.
[quote][p][bold]eastbourneseagull[/bold] wrote: Sign him up! Player of the Year for me. Outstanding attitude and effort week in week out...and some great crosses too![/p][/quote]Totally agree, has had a great season with us and is a thoroughly decent chap. Get him permanently on a 2 year deal. namgo49
  • Score: 8

9:19pm Sat 17 May 14

albionbloke says...

daughter-of-manag wrote:
I go away for a week or so and look what happens! With regards to OG's departure, I feel that he was a decent, humble bloke who did pretty well in taking us to the play offs. I'm not sure he's had too much say in transfers and loans - and I can understand there may have been tension created by the strange loan deal, that made Lingard's inclusion in the team mandatory for so many minutes of each game. OG's team selection and tactics would have been a tad constrained, to say the least. Ulloa's body language showed a lack of support for JL and growing frustration, and I wonder how LS's arrival annoyed the rest of the squad? With CMS chomping at the bit to play, and JL's very average performances, OG could not freely (perhaps) coach as he could have done sans JL.

OG inherited a strong squad with an attractive style of play that we all enjoyed under GP. Many of us were excited by the OG era, with promises of expansive, attacking football, and the squad (possibly) filled with Barca youth and B team players - "OLE" and all of that jazz. Appointing a Spanish speaking coach would have helped to settle down the anxious Spanish speaking players in the team.

GP's departure guaranteed us that (once GP secured a manger's position with a Premiership club), we would lose some of our best players ... Bridcut departed and we held on for dear life to Buckley (not sure why?). The cherries' Grabber grabbed a better deal, and we acquired a couple of average players in return.

Tactics have been frustrating. From GP's expansive, one touch football, we have evolved into a pass-hoof-miss pass-hoof kind of a team. Lingard's arrival did force OG's hand to play 2 up front, but, to be honest, 'evolution' has been a retrograde experience, and passion, flair and attitude have been and questionable these past couple of months.

Well done OG, you did a good job with limited financial resources, but we need to push for a top two finish and that means spending a few quid in order to get many quids by becoming a premier league team. Not sure why Orlandi and Hoskinls weren't given a years contract - and Jones has to be stopped drawing from his Yeovil bag of tricks!

Unfortunately, I can't see TS coming here, but I would certainly welcome him, or the likes of any manager committed to expansive football, or, at the very least, a coach that despises hoof ball as much as many of us do.
Good comments, although I would say that in regard to our acquisitions, Stephens was a bit better than average. Although I'd like to see him here, I agree that it's unlikely TS will come to us as he has the option of a few potential PL jobs available, such as WBA, Norwich and possibly Villa, WHU and Southampton if they make Manager moves. Must admit, the more I read about Clement, the more I'm warming up to that idea. Checked him out on Wiki today and it seems he's well regarded. Also gave a good insight into his background. Appears he's groomed and ready for a Manager job somewhere soon. Whoever comes in, I agree with many other comments, sooner rather than later.
[quote][p][bold]daughter-of-manag[/bold] wrote: I go away for a week or so and look what happens! With regards to OG's departure, I feel that he was a decent, humble bloke who did pretty well in taking us to the play offs. I'm not sure he's had too much say in transfers and loans - and I can understand there may have been tension created by the strange loan deal, that made Lingard's inclusion in the team mandatory for so many minutes of each game. OG's team selection and tactics would have been a tad constrained, to say the least. Ulloa's body language showed a lack of support for JL and growing frustration, and I wonder how LS's arrival annoyed the rest of the squad? With CMS chomping at the bit to play, and JL's very average performances, OG could not freely (perhaps) coach as he could have done sans JL. OG inherited a strong squad with an attractive style of play that we all enjoyed under GP. Many of us were excited by the OG era, with promises of expansive, attacking football, and the squad (possibly) filled with Barca youth and B team players - "OLE" and all of that jazz. Appointing a Spanish speaking coach would have helped to settle down the anxious Spanish speaking players in the team. GP's departure guaranteed us that (once GP secured a manger's position with a Premiership club), we would lose some of our best players ... Bridcut departed and we held on for dear life to Buckley (not sure why?). The cherries' Grabber grabbed a better deal, and we acquired a couple of average players in return. Tactics have been frustrating. From GP's expansive, one touch football, we have evolved into a pass-hoof-miss pass-hoof kind of a team. Lingard's arrival did force OG's hand to play 2 up front, but, to be honest, 'evolution' has been a retrograde experience, and passion, flair and attitude have been and questionable these past couple of months. Well done OG, you did a good job with limited financial resources, but we need to push for a top two finish and that means spending a few quid in order to get many quids by becoming a premier league team. Not sure why Orlandi and Hoskinls weren't given a years contract - and Jones has to be stopped drawing from his Yeovil bag of tricks! Unfortunately, I can't see TS coming here, but I would certainly welcome him, or the likes of any manager committed to expansive football, or, at the very least, a coach that despises hoof ball as much as many of us do.[/p][/quote]Good comments, although I would say that in regard to our acquisitions, Stephens was a bit better than average. Although I'd like to see him here, I agree that it's unlikely TS will come to us as he has the option of a few potential PL jobs available, such as WBA, Norwich and possibly Villa, WHU and Southampton if they make Manager moves. Must admit, the more I read about Clement, the more I'm warming up to that idea. Checked him out on Wiki today and it seems he's well regarded. Also gave a good insight into his background. Appears he's groomed and ready for a Manager job somewhere soon. Whoever comes in, I agree with many other comments, sooner rather than later. albionbloke
  • Score: 6

9:25pm Sat 17 May 14

barnieb says...

Max Ripple wrote:
Great player but is he really within our budget? Variously reported wage figures are frightening. £40k per week? £17k per week? We are talking a cash strapped Championship club here. Trying to work within FFP rules. £40k a week is £2 million a year! We've supposedly got to get our operating deficit down to £3 million at the end of next season. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, chaps.
Hope we are not going to be the only club in the Championship playing by the FPP rules,if thats the case we can expect to be in this division or lower for a very very long time
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: Great player but is he really within our budget? Variously reported wage figures are frightening. £40k per week? £17k per week? We are talking a cash strapped Championship club here. Trying to work within FFP rules. £40k a week is £2 million a year! We've supposedly got to get our operating deficit down to £3 million at the end of next season. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, chaps.[/p][/quote]Hope we are not going to be the only club in the Championship playing by the FPP rules,if thats the case we can expect to be in this division or lower for a very very long time barnieb
  • Score: 14

9:36pm Sat 17 May 14

Rhodes Seagull says...

Is this not a good reason we need a manager in place NOW!!
Not in a week or two
Is this not a good reason we need a manager in place NOW!! Not in a week or two Rhodes Seagull
  • Score: 4

9:47pm Sat 17 May 14

gordongull says...

barnieb wrote:
Max Ripple wrote:
Great player but is he really within our budget? Variously reported wage figures are frightening. £40k per week? £17k per week? We are talking a cash strapped Championship club here. Trying to work within FFP rules. £40k a week is £2 million a year! We've supposedly got to get our operating deficit down to £3 million at the end of next season. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, chaps.
Hope we are not going to be the only club in the Championship playing by the FPP rules,if thats the case we can expect to be in this division or lower for a very very long time
FFP was voted in by 21 of the Championship clubs, so clearly there was commitment by the majority to make running a football club viable.
Depending on the outcome of the play-off final, there will be either ten or eleven teams receiving parachute payments next season. That is the main problem facing clubs like B&HA, not the FFP rules.
[quote][p][bold]barnieb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: Great player but is he really within our budget? Variously reported wage figures are frightening. £40k per week? £17k per week? We are talking a cash strapped Championship club here. Trying to work within FFP rules. £40k a week is £2 million a year! We've supposedly got to get our operating deficit down to £3 million at the end of next season. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, chaps.[/p][/quote]Hope we are not going to be the only club in the Championship playing by the FPP rules,if thats the case we can expect to be in this division or lower for a very very long time[/p][/quote]FFP was voted in by 21 of the Championship clubs, so clearly there was commitment by the majority to make running a football club viable. Depending on the outcome of the play-off final, there will be either ten or eleven teams receiving parachute payments next season. That is the main problem facing clubs like B&HA, not the FFP rules. gordongull
  • Score: 12

10:08pm Sat 17 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

barnieb wrote:
Max Ripple wrote:
Great player but is he really within our budget? Variously reported wage figures are frightening. £40k per week? £17k per week? We are talking a cash strapped Championship club here. Trying to work within FFP rules. £40k a week is £2 million a year! We've supposedly got to get our operating deficit down to £3 million at the end of next season. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, chaps.
Hope we are not going to be the only club in the Championship playing by the FPP rules,if thats the case we can expect to be in this division or lower for a very very long time
This FFP is all a bit of a farce judging by the comments of the Paris st Germain owner, Nasser Al Khelaifi, "the players I want I shall have" he said "this changes nothing of the project". Basically they will continue to spend vast sums regardless, meanwhile we are fretting over buying players which will probably be less than a million in most cases. We are being over fearful of something which has already been made to look like a joke by clubs who will simply continue to steam roller their way to success come hell or high water. FFP is now wearing very thin. Can we really not just sign Ward?
[quote][p][bold]barnieb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: Great player but is he really within our budget? Variously reported wage figures are frightening. £40k per week? £17k per week? We are talking a cash strapped Championship club here. Trying to work within FFP rules. £40k a week is £2 million a year! We've supposedly got to get our operating deficit down to £3 million at the end of next season. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, chaps.[/p][/quote]Hope we are not going to be the only club in the Championship playing by the FPP rules,if thats the case we can expect to be in this division or lower for a very very long time[/p][/quote]This FFP is all a bit of a farce judging by the comments of the Paris st Germain owner, Nasser Al Khelaifi, "the players I want I shall have" he said "this changes nothing of the project". Basically they will continue to spend vast sums regardless, meanwhile we are fretting over buying players which will probably be less than a million in most cases. We are being over fearful of something which has already been made to look like a joke by clubs who will simply continue to steam roller their way to success come hell or high water. FFP is now wearing very thin. Can we really not just sign Ward? East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 4

10:27pm Sat 17 May 14

Far gull says...

I know i can't claim credit for suggesting this but i would like to start a campaign for Glenn Hoddle.
Good football and mangerial brain, good with youngsters. Massive point to prove,good contacts,would not ..i believe be looking for mega bucks ,could build a real legacy here. Last England team he managed played football that has not been bettered since.
( Venables England team the best of my life time)
Tim Sherwood a real risk and Spurs fans actually were pleased to see him go.
Paul Clement . Just not sure. Great number two's have on average poor track record ( i know Gus was one once)
Hughton ( really !!!) Not for me Norwich friends tell me they watched the worst football ever this season and he spent big bucks last summer.
Moyes ( yes but i think he would want more ,may not ?) Would help him rebuild and may fancy sunnier climes. No DBurke though i suspect.?
Venables. Even though he had his spate with Mullers and his C p connection he might fit in and be good at ..doing a deal !!! For new players . His football teams played **** good football too. Await many thumbs down now :-)
I know i can't claim credit for suggesting this but i would like to start a campaign for Glenn Hoddle. Good football and mangerial brain, good with youngsters. Massive point to prove,good contacts,would not ..i believe be looking for mega bucks ,could build a real legacy here. Last England team he managed played football that has not been bettered since. ( Venables England team the best of my life time) Tim Sherwood a real risk and Spurs fans actually were pleased to see him go. Paul Clement . Just not sure. Great number two's have on average poor track record ( i know Gus was one once) Hughton ( really !!!) Not for me Norwich friends tell me they watched the worst football ever this season and he spent big bucks last summer. Moyes ( yes but i think he would want more ,may not ?) Would help him rebuild and may fancy sunnier climes. No DBurke though i suspect.? Venables. Even though he had his spate with Mullers and his C p connection he might fit in and be good at ..doing a deal !!! For new players . His football teams played **** good football too. Await many thumbs down now :-) Far gull
  • Score: -12

7:33am Sun 18 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

On the subject of Ward, it's worth noting that In the last week, Kenny Jackett has said each returning loan player will be treated as an individual case and assessed a week before the Wolves squad returns for pre-season. So it's not necessarily an open and shut case that they are - or will be - prepared to sell.
Of course we could try and force the issue if we wished, but it's worth remembering that's it not all about 'us'....
On the subject of Ward, it's worth noting that In the last week, Kenny Jackett has said each returning loan player will be treated as an individual case and assessed a week before the Wolves squad returns for pre-season. So it's not necessarily an open and shut case that they are - or will be - prepared to sell. Of course we could try and force the issue if we wished, but it's worth remembering that's it not all about 'us'.... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 6

8:36am Sun 18 May 14

dave from bexill says...

Far gull wrote:
I know i can't claim credit for suggesting this but i would like to start a campaign for Glenn Hoddle.
Good football and mangerial brain, good with youngsters. Massive point to prove,good contacts,would not ..i believe be looking for mega bucks ,could build a real legacy here. Last England team he managed played football that has not been bettered since.
( Venables England team the best of my life time)
Tim Sherwood a real risk and Spurs fans actually were pleased to see him go.
Paul Clement . Just not sure. Great number two's have on average poor track record ( i know Gus was one once)
Hughton ( really !!!) Not for me Norwich friends tell me they watched the worst football ever this season and he spent big bucks last summer.
Moyes ( yes but i think he would want more ,may not ?) Would help him rebuild and may fancy sunnier climes. No DBurke though i suspect.?
Venables. Even though he had his spate with Mullers and his C p connection he might fit in and be good at ..doing a deal !!! For new players . His football teams played **** good football too. Await many thumbs down now :-)
Erm, interesting. The few Spurs fans I know, think Sherwood was brilliant for them.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: I know i can't claim credit for suggesting this but i would like to start a campaign for Glenn Hoddle. Good football and mangerial brain, good with youngsters. Massive point to prove,good contacts,would not ..i believe be looking for mega bucks ,could build a real legacy here. Last England team he managed played football that has not been bettered since. ( Venables England team the best of my life time) Tim Sherwood a real risk and Spurs fans actually were pleased to see him go. Paul Clement . Just not sure. Great number two's have on average poor track record ( i know Gus was one once) Hughton ( really !!!) Not for me Norwich friends tell me they watched the worst football ever this season and he spent big bucks last summer. Moyes ( yes but i think he would want more ,may not ?) Would help him rebuild and may fancy sunnier climes. No DBurke though i suspect.? Venables. Even though he had his spate with Mullers and his C p connection he might fit in and be good at ..doing a deal !!! For new players . His football teams played **** good football too. Await many thumbs down now :-)[/p][/quote]Erm, interesting. The few Spurs fans I know, think Sherwood was brilliant for them. dave from bexill
  • Score: 3

9:23am Sun 18 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Far gull wrote:
I know i can't claim credit for suggesting this but i would like to start a campaign for Glenn Hoddle.
Good football and mangerial brain, good with youngsters. Massive point to prove,good contacts,would not ..i believe be looking for mega bucks ,could build a real legacy here. Last England team he managed played football that has not been bettered since.
( Venables England team the best of my life time)
Tim Sherwood a real risk and Spurs fans actually were pleased to see him go.
Paul Clement . Just not sure. Great number two's have on average poor track record ( i know Gus was one once)
Hughton ( really !!!) Not for me Norwich friends tell me they watched the worst football ever this season and he spent big bucks last summer.
Moyes ( yes but i think he would want more ,may not ?) Would help him rebuild and may fancy sunnier climes. No DBurke though i suspect.?
Venables. Even though he had his spate with Mullers and his C p connection he might fit in and be good at ..doing a deal !!! For new players . His football teams played **** good football too. Await many thumbs down now :-)
Erm, interesting. The few Spurs fans I know, think Sherwood was brilliant for them.
Yes good description of the post, DFB... interesting.
FG, you got general thumbs down for your suggestions and I have to say I'd be inclined to join 'em! (Although i haven't)
Hoddle - I actually do agree with your assessment as a coach and I have a certain sympathy for him. He seems to have great knowledge and a surprisingly good reputation despite his history, but no-one is prepared to take a chance. And right now, I don't think we should either.
Sherwood - He actually had the best win ratio of Spurs bosses during his time in charge and my reading of the fall out is that fans were more critical of Levy for dumping him than Sherwood's performance. The experience and the mistakes will have taught him a great deal.
Clement - I get the feeling most negative or cautious comments on him are through lack of knowledge. I read caution as a 'no' response from people trying to show their wisdom! I know little about him either, so, as the saying goes, in TB we trust..
Hughton - Had a good reputation under ridiculous circumstances at Birmingham. Not an appointment that would get the blood racing but possibly a dependable pair of hands and a conscientious football man.
Moyes - Not a chance - on so many levels!
Venables - Yesterday's man. When Graham Taylor went back to Villa ten years ago, he said the game had changed so much in a few, short years. Venables, great in his day, but would be way off the pace.
Of those you've mentioned, I'd take Sherwood, but I wouldn't be surprised if TB pulls a rabbit out of a hat and surprises us all.
How about Steve Clarke? Our DOF set up isn't going to change and he worked with one at WBA. Their fans rue the day they let him go.
Zola? Has a reputation for playing 'our way' but still inexperienced..
Surmising is fun and we'll agree and disagree on here, but I'm comfortable that we have people in charge who will look at facts and issues we're not party to and come up with a good appointment.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: I know i can't claim credit for suggesting this but i would like to start a campaign for Glenn Hoddle. Good football and mangerial brain, good with youngsters. Massive point to prove,good contacts,would not ..i believe be looking for mega bucks ,could build a real legacy here. Last England team he managed played football that has not been bettered since. ( Venables England team the best of my life time) Tim Sherwood a real risk and Spurs fans actually were pleased to see him go. Paul Clement . Just not sure. Great number two's have on average poor track record ( i know Gus was one once) Hughton ( really !!!) Not for me Norwich friends tell me they watched the worst football ever this season and he spent big bucks last summer. Moyes ( yes but i think he would want more ,may not ?) Would help him rebuild and may fancy sunnier climes. No DBurke though i suspect.? Venables. Even though he had his spate with Mullers and his C p connection he might fit in and be good at ..doing a deal !!! For new players . His football teams played **** good football too. Await many thumbs down now :-)[/p][/quote]Erm, interesting. The few Spurs fans I know, think Sherwood was brilliant for them.[/p][/quote]Yes good description of the post, DFB... interesting. FG, you got general thumbs down for your suggestions and I have to say I'd be inclined to join 'em! (Although i haven't) Hoddle - I actually do agree with your assessment as a coach and I have a certain sympathy for him. He seems to have great knowledge and a surprisingly good reputation despite his history, but no-one is prepared to take a chance. And right now, I don't think we should either. Sherwood - He actually had the best win ratio of Spurs bosses during his time in charge and my reading of the fall out is that fans were more critical of Levy for dumping him than Sherwood's performance. The experience and the mistakes will have taught him a great deal. Clement - I get the feeling most negative or cautious comments on him are through lack of knowledge. I read caution as a 'no' response from people trying to show their wisdom! I know little about him either, so, as the saying goes, in TB we trust.. Hughton - Had a good reputation under ridiculous circumstances at Birmingham. Not an appointment that would get the blood racing but possibly a dependable pair of hands and a conscientious football man. Moyes - Not a chance - on so many levels! Venables - Yesterday's man. When Graham Taylor went back to Villa ten years ago, he said the game had changed so much in a few, short years. Venables, great in his day, but would be way off the pace. Of those you've mentioned, I'd take Sherwood, but I wouldn't be surprised if TB pulls a rabbit out of a hat and surprises us all. How about Steve Clarke? Our DOF set up isn't going to change and he worked with one at WBA. Their fans rue the day they let him go. Zola? Has a reputation for playing 'our way' but still inexperienced.. Surmising is fun and we'll agree and disagree on here, but I'm comfortable that we have people in charge who will look at facts and issues we're not party to and come up with a good appointment. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 8

11:51am Sun 18 May 14

Far gull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
Far gull wrote: I know i can't claim credit for suggesting this but i would like to start a campaign for Glenn Hoddle. Good football and mangerial brain, good with youngsters. Massive point to prove,good contacts,would not ..i believe be looking for mega bucks ,could build a real legacy here. Last England team he managed played football that has not been bettered since. ( Venables England team the best of my life time) Tim Sherwood a real risk and Spurs fans actually were pleased to see him go. Paul Clement . Just not sure. Great number two's have on average poor track record ( i know Gus was one once) Hughton ( really !!!) Not for me Norwich friends tell me they watched the worst football ever this season and he spent big bucks last summer. Moyes ( yes but i think he would want more ,may not ?) Would help him rebuild and may fancy sunnier climes. No DBurke though i suspect.? Venables. Even though he had his spate with Mullers and his C p connection he might fit in and be good at ..doing a deal !!! For new players . His football teams played **** good football too. Await many thumbs down now :-)
Erm, interesting. The few Spurs fans I know, think Sherwood was brilliant for them.
Yes good description of the post, DFB... interesting. FG, you got general thumbs down for your suggestions and I have to say I'd be inclined to join 'em! (Although i haven't) Hoddle - I actually do agree with your assessment as a coach and I have a certain sympathy for him. He seems to have great knowledge and a surprisingly good reputation despite his history, but no-one is prepared to take a chance. And right now, I don't think we should either. Sherwood - He actually had the best win ratio of Spurs bosses during his time in charge and my reading of the fall out is that fans were more critical of Levy for dumping him than Sherwood's performance. The experience and the mistakes will have taught him a great deal. Clement - I get the feeling most negative or cautious comments on him are through lack of knowledge. I read caution as a 'no' response from people trying to show their wisdom! I know little about him either, so, as the saying goes, in TB we trust.. Hughton - Had a good reputation under ridiculous circumstances at Birmingham. Not an appointment that would get the blood racing but possibly a dependable pair of hands and a conscientious football man. Moyes - Not a chance - on so many levels! Venables - Yesterday's man. When Graham Taylor went back to Villa ten years ago, he said the game had changed so much in a few, short years. Venables, great in his day, but would be way off the pace. Of those you've mentioned, I'd take Sherwood, but I wouldn't be surprised if TB pulls a rabbit out of a hat and surprises us all. How about Steve Clarke? Our DOF set up isn't going to change and he worked with one at WBA. Their fans rue the day they let him go. Zola? Has a reputation for playing 'our way' but still inexperienced.. Surmising is fun and we'll agree and disagree on here, but I'm comfortable that we have people in charge who will look at facts and issues we're not party to and come up with a good appointment.
Fair comment. Venables obviously not going to happen but whatever sure TB will get it right.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: I know i can't claim credit for suggesting this but i would like to start a campaign for Glenn Hoddle. Good football and mangerial brain, good with youngsters. Massive point to prove,good contacts,would not ..i believe be looking for mega bucks ,could build a real legacy here. Last England team he managed played football that has not been bettered since. ( Venables England team the best of my life time) Tim Sherwood a real risk and Spurs fans actually were pleased to see him go. Paul Clement . Just not sure. Great number two's have on average poor track record ( i know Gus was one once) Hughton ( really !!!) Not for me Norwich friends tell me they watched the worst football ever this season and he spent big bucks last summer. Moyes ( yes but i think he would want more ,may not ?) Would help him rebuild and may fancy sunnier climes. No DBurke though i suspect.? Venables. Even though he had his spate with Mullers and his C p connection he might fit in and be good at ..doing a deal !!! For new players . His football teams played **** good football too. Await many thumbs down now :-)[/p][/quote]Erm, interesting. The few Spurs fans I know, think Sherwood was brilliant for them.[/p][/quote]Yes good description of the post, DFB... interesting. FG, you got general thumbs down for your suggestions and I have to say I'd be inclined to join 'em! (Although i haven't) Hoddle - I actually do agree with your assessment as a coach and I have a certain sympathy for him. He seems to have great knowledge and a surprisingly good reputation despite his history, but no-one is prepared to take a chance. And right now, I don't think we should either. Sherwood - He actually had the best win ratio of Spurs bosses during his time in charge and my reading of the fall out is that fans were more critical of Levy for dumping him than Sherwood's performance. The experience and the mistakes will have taught him a great deal. Clement - I get the feeling most negative or cautious comments on him are through lack of knowledge. I read caution as a 'no' response from people trying to show their wisdom! I know little about him either, so, as the saying goes, in TB we trust.. Hughton - Had a good reputation under ridiculous circumstances at Birmingham. Not an appointment that would get the blood racing but possibly a dependable pair of hands and a conscientious football man. Moyes - Not a chance - on so many levels! Venables - Yesterday's man. When Graham Taylor went back to Villa ten years ago, he said the game had changed so much in a few, short years. Venables, great in his day, but would be way off the pace. Of those you've mentioned, I'd take Sherwood, but I wouldn't be surprised if TB pulls a rabbit out of a hat and surprises us all. How about Steve Clarke? Our DOF set up isn't going to change and he worked with one at WBA. Their fans rue the day they let him go. Zola? Has a reputation for playing 'our way' but still inexperienced.. Surmising is fun and we'll agree and disagree on here, but I'm comfortable that we have people in charge who will look at facts and issues we're not party to and come up with a good appointment.[/p][/quote]Fair comment. Venables obviously not going to happen but whatever sure TB will get it right. Far gull
  • Score: 1

11:56am Sun 18 May 14

mark by the sea says...

I get the feeling that all of the names being mentioned for the job would accept it! I don't think ts or any half decent manager is going to work with a budget that's mid table and be expected to deliver promotion!
I can't see ts accepting DB running recruitment , the idea that in January DB could not secure any of OG targets somewhat strange, and that's where unless they are 100% trust between manager and DOF it will fail.
Let's suppose OG asked for a certain player, DB does not rate him, and DB fails in a attempt to get him? However Stephens who was touted by jones joins ? If that happened on a regular basis then doubt over DB will be in coach head.. We then have a. Them and us situation, I felt ihad something similar last week , where my staff were talking collectively as them and me being the outsider.. I think jones is here to stay in some role, and if it's him and DB working together a new man must trust his two main men..
I get the feeling that all of the names being mentioned for the job would accept it! I don't think ts or any half decent manager is going to work with a budget that's mid table and be expected to deliver promotion! I can't see ts accepting DB running recruitment , the idea that in January DB could not secure any of OG targets somewhat strange, and that's where unless they are 100% trust between manager and DOF it will fail. Let's suppose OG asked for a certain player, DB does not rate him, and DB fails in a attempt to get him? However Stephens who was touted by jones joins ? If that happened on a regular basis then doubt over DB will be in coach head.. We then have a. Them and us situation, I felt ihad something similar last week , where my staff were talking collectively as them and me being the outsider.. I think jones is here to stay in some role, and if it's him and DB working together a new man must trust his two main men.. mark by the sea
  • Score: -3

12:36pm Sun 18 May 14

dave from bexill says...

I watched a tiny bit of Sky's Goals on Sunday this morning and caught Tim Sherwood being asked about his management hopes including Albion. He said he would be prepared to speak with any club matching his ambition and in particular would be honest in any discussions with interested clubs. He was clear that he likes to give youth a chance and believes there to be many young English players "out there" not really being given a chance at present. I for one like and rate the guy, but not sure that the 'pot' would be big enough for him, or indeed how Albion's executive would cope with his outspokenness,or in his view his honest assessment of situations, which ultimately upset Mr Levy at Spurs. Still hope we get him.
I watched a tiny bit of Sky's Goals on Sunday this morning and caught Tim Sherwood being asked about his management hopes including Albion. He said he would be prepared to speak with any club matching his ambition and in particular would be honest in any discussions with interested clubs. He was clear that he likes to give youth a chance and believes there to be many young English players "out there" not really being given a chance at present. I for one like and rate the guy, but not sure that the 'pot' would be big enough for him, or indeed how Albion's executive would cope with his outspokenness,or in his view his honest assessment of situations, which ultimately upset Mr Levy at Spurs. Still hope we get him. dave from bexill
  • Score: 7

1:02pm Sun 18 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

With Tony Bloom working on finding a new manager for the club, I have found myself wondering, just what questions is Tony asking of the candidates, what is it that he needs to know before hiring one of them.

If one of the questions is, 'what is your thinking on how the game should be played,' would the answer have to tie in to how Burke might answer that question, after all the D of F does do the negotiating.
If another question was,' how do you rate our existing squad,' would an applicant that has done his homework, taken steps to find out all he can, would that person score big points with Tony.
If asked by Tony, 'do you think you can get the job done with a budget of 7 million,' and the guy answered honestly by saying, 'no, I will need a further 3 million,' would that rule him out, no matter who he is.
If Tony asked the guy, 'are you cool with working with a D of F,' and the guy replied, I would rather not, would that rule him out.
What questions could Bloom ask of the applicant to get a feel for how long this one would stay. Could an applicant who voices aspirations to manage a prem club, one day, be a dangerous hiring. Would us bringing in a, recently disposed of prem manager not also be dangerous, might we not just be a holding position until that applicant gets a chane to go back to the prem, vacancies occur around Christmas time.

What would you ask?
With Tony Bloom working on finding a new manager for the club, I have found myself wondering, just what questions is Tony asking of the candidates, what is it that he needs to know before hiring one of them. If one of the questions is, 'what is your thinking on how the game should be played,' would the answer have to tie in to how Burke might answer that question, after all the D of F does do the negotiating. If another question was,' how do you rate our existing squad,' would an applicant that has done his homework, taken steps to find out all he can, would that person score big points with Tony. If asked by Tony, 'do you think you can get the job done with a budget of 7 million,' and the guy answered honestly by saying, 'no, I will need a further 3 million,' would that rule him out, no matter who he is. If Tony asked the guy, 'are you cool with working with a D of F,' and the guy replied, I would rather not, would that rule him out. What questions could Bloom ask of the applicant to get a feel for how long this one would stay. Could an applicant who voices aspirations to manage a prem club, one day, be a dangerous hiring. Would us bringing in a, recently disposed of prem manager not also be dangerous, might we not just be a holding position until that applicant gets a chane to go back to the prem, vacancies occur around Christmas time. What would you ask? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

1:06pm Sun 18 May 14

peterpan32 says...

Heard a few rumours about potential signings. John stead and Chris eagles have both been going round. Would like eagles but not stead.
Heard a few rumours about potential signings. John stead and Chris eagles have both been going round. Would like eagles but not stead. peterpan32
  • Score: -1

1:19pm Sun 18 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

dave from bexill wrote:
I watched a tiny bit of Sky's Goals on Sunday this morning and caught Tim Sherwood being asked about his management hopes including Albion. He said he would be prepared to speak with any club matching his ambition and in particular would be honest in any discussions with interested clubs. He was clear that he likes to give youth a chance and believes there to be many young English players "out there" not really being given a chance at present. I for one like and rate the guy, but not sure that the 'pot' would be big enough for him, or indeed how Albion's executive would cope with his outspokenness,or in his view his honest assessment of situations, which ultimately upset Mr Levy at Spurs. Still hope we get him.
Hi Dave.
If Sherwood would be interested to come to Brighton, I would hope that he would offer his, 'honest assessment,' during his talks with Bloom, and that Bloom would be just as honest. If Sherwood is informed of where the club stands on all salient points, prior to him taking the job, then there should not be any bones of contention later.
His statement regarding youngsters not being given their chance, is almost a tip of the hat recognizing what Oscar achieved, he might just be saying, 'I know Brighton don't have a big budget but, if I was offered the job, I would do as Oscar did and I would look for low cost younger players.'
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: I watched a tiny bit of Sky's Goals on Sunday this morning and caught Tim Sherwood being asked about his management hopes including Albion. He said he would be prepared to speak with any club matching his ambition and in particular would be honest in any discussions with interested clubs. He was clear that he likes to give youth a chance and believes there to be many young English players "out there" not really being given a chance at present. I for one like and rate the guy, but not sure that the 'pot' would be big enough for him, or indeed how Albion's executive would cope with his outspokenness,or in his view his honest assessment of situations, which ultimately upset Mr Levy at Spurs. Still hope we get him.[/p][/quote]Hi Dave. If Sherwood would be interested to come to Brighton, I would hope that he would offer his, 'honest assessment,' during his talks with Bloom, and that Bloom would be just as honest. If Sherwood is informed of where the club stands on all salient points, prior to him taking the job, then there should not be any bones of contention later. His statement regarding youngsters not being given their chance, is almost a tip of the hat recognizing what Oscar achieved, he might just be saying, 'I know Brighton don't have a big budget but, if I was offered the job, I would do as Oscar did and I would look for low cost younger players.' VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

1:20pm Sun 18 May 14

albionfan33 says...

dave from bexill wrote:
I watched a tiny bit of Sky's Goals on Sunday this morning and caught Tim Sherwood being asked about his management hopes including Albion. He said he would be prepared to speak with any club matching his ambition and in particular would be honest in any discussions with interested clubs. He was clear that he likes to give youth a chance and believes there to be many young English players "out there" not really being given a chance at present. I for one like and rate the guy, but not sure that the 'pot' would be big enough for him, or indeed how Albion's executive would cope with his outspokenness,or in his view his honest assessment of situations, which ultimately upset Mr Levy at Spurs. Still hope we get him.
i cant see tim myself. as you say his mouth is an accident waiting to happen i can just see another gus situation all over again. the more i read about clement the more i like and he seems the type that bloom would go for. he seems an english version of og. namely very good coaching back ground to bring on our youngsters hopefully better at comunicating who he wants in addition to the current squad than og well heres hoping anyways
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: I watched a tiny bit of Sky's Goals on Sunday this morning and caught Tim Sherwood being asked about his management hopes including Albion. He said he would be prepared to speak with any club matching his ambition and in particular would be honest in any discussions with interested clubs. He was clear that he likes to give youth a chance and believes there to be many young English players "out there" not really being given a chance at present. I for one like and rate the guy, but not sure that the 'pot' would be big enough for him, or indeed how Albion's executive would cope with his outspokenness,or in his view his honest assessment of situations, which ultimately upset Mr Levy at Spurs. Still hope we get him.[/p][/quote]i cant see tim myself. as you say his mouth is an accident waiting to happen i can just see another gus situation all over again. the more i read about clement the more i like and he seems the type that bloom would go for. he seems an english version of og. namely very good coaching back ground to bring on our youngsters hopefully better at comunicating who he wants in addition to the current squad than og well heres hoping anyways albionfan33
  • Score: 3

1:20pm Sun 18 May 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
With Tony Bloom working on finding a new manager for the club, I have found myself wondering, just what questions is Tony asking of the candidates, what is it that he needs to know before hiring one of them.

If one of the questions is, 'what is your thinking on how the game should be played,' would the answer have to tie in to how Burke might answer that question, after all the D of F does do the negotiating.
If another question was,' how do you rate our existing squad,' would an applicant that has done his homework, taken steps to find out all he can, would that person score big points with Tony.
If asked by Tony, 'do you think you can get the job done with a budget of 7 million,' and the guy answered honestly by saying, 'no, I will need a further 3 million,' would that rule him out, no matter who he is.
If Tony asked the guy, 'are you cool with working with a D of F,' and the guy replied, I would rather not, would that rule him out.
What questions could Bloom ask of the applicant to get a feel for how long this one would stay. Could an applicant who voices aspirations to manage a prem club, one day, be a dangerous hiring. Would us bringing in a, recently disposed of prem manager not also be dangerous, might we not just be a holding position until that applicant gets a chane to go back to the prem, vacancies occur around Christmas time.

What would you ask?
Good young managers would rather be out of work than damaging there cv .
TS will get a top job if he is lucky, west ham or west brom two possibles,
The way I see it is would you take the job simply to work ( I expect TS got a years salary when he left spurs.. If it' ruins your .., do that and your next job will more likely be lower championship than premier league, basically managers can't be seen to fail more than they succeed .. Two failures after spurs and he is back coaching..
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: With Tony Bloom working on finding a new manager for the club, I have found myself wondering, just what questions is Tony asking of the candidates, what is it that he needs to know before hiring one of them. If one of the questions is, 'what is your thinking on how the game should be played,' would the answer have to tie in to how Burke might answer that question, after all the D of F does do the negotiating. If another question was,' how do you rate our existing squad,' would an applicant that has done his homework, taken steps to find out all he can, would that person score big points with Tony. If asked by Tony, 'do you think you can get the job done with a budget of 7 million,' and the guy answered honestly by saying, 'no, I will need a further 3 million,' would that rule him out, no matter who he is. If Tony asked the guy, 'are you cool with working with a D of F,' and the guy replied, I would rather not, would that rule him out. What questions could Bloom ask of the applicant to get a feel for how long this one would stay. Could an applicant who voices aspirations to manage a prem club, one day, be a dangerous hiring. Would us bringing in a, recently disposed of prem manager not also be dangerous, might we not just be a holding position until that applicant gets a chane to go back to the prem, vacancies occur around Christmas time. What would you ask?[/p][/quote]Good young managers would rather be out of work than damaging there cv . TS will get a top job if he is lucky, west ham or west brom two possibles, The way I see it is would you take the job simply to work ( I expect TS got a years salary when he left spurs.. If it' ruins your .., do that and your next job will more likely be lower championship than premier league, basically managers can't be seen to fail more than they succeed .. Two failures after spurs and he is back coaching.. mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

1:22pm Sun 18 May 14

mark by the sea says...

peterpan32 wrote:
Heard a few rumours about potential signings. John stead and Chris eagles have both been going round. Would like eagles but not stead.
God hope neither, eagles is way past his best and stead never good enough.
[quote][p][bold]peterpan32[/bold] wrote: Heard a few rumours about potential signings. John stead and Chris eagles have both been going round. Would like eagles but not stead.[/p][/quote]God hope neither, eagles is way past his best and stead never good enough. mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

1:30pm Sun 18 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
With Tony Bloom working on finding a new manager for the club, I have found myself wondering, just what questions is Tony asking of the candidates, what is it that he needs to know before hiring one of them.

If one of the questions is, 'what is your thinking on how the game should be played,' would the answer have to tie in to how Burke might answer that question, after all the D of F does do the negotiating.
If another question was,' how do you rate our existing squad,' would an applicant that has done his homework, taken steps to find out all he can, would that person score big points with Tony.
If asked by Tony, 'do you think you can get the job done with a budget of 7 million,' and the guy answered honestly by saying, 'no, I will need a further 3 million,' would that rule him out, no matter who he is.
If Tony asked the guy, 'are you cool with working with a D of F,' and the guy replied, I would rather not, would that rule him out.
What questions could Bloom ask of the applicant to get a feel for how long this one would stay. Could an applicant who voices aspirations to manage a prem club, one day, be a dangerous hiring. Would us bringing in a, recently disposed of prem manager not also be dangerous, might we not just be a holding position until that applicant gets a chane to go back to the prem, vacancies occur around Christmas time.

What would you ask?
Good young managers would rather be out of work than damaging there cv .
TS will get a top job if he is lucky, west ham or west brom two possibles,
The way I see it is would you take the job simply to work ( I expect TS got a years salary when he left spurs.. If it' ruins your .., do that and your next job will more likely be lower championship than premier league, basically managers can't be seen to fail more than they succeed .. Two failures after spurs and he is back coaching..
agreed, managers don't want to damage their CV's. If a guy like Sherwood were to get a prem club job, the damage could be done in a matter of months as the demands are high.
Coming to Brighton, a place where early failures or mistakes can be forgiven if by the end of the season things have turned around, just as was the case was pretty much with Oscar, might actually see his stock rise. How a manager handles adversity says more than how he copes with success.

But that's just my opinion, for what it's worth.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: With Tony Bloom working on finding a new manager for the club, I have found myself wondering, just what questions is Tony asking of the candidates, what is it that he needs to know before hiring one of them. If one of the questions is, 'what is your thinking on how the game should be played,' would the answer have to tie in to how Burke might answer that question, after all the D of F does do the negotiating. If another question was,' how do you rate our existing squad,' would an applicant that has done his homework, taken steps to find out all he can, would that person score big points with Tony. If asked by Tony, 'do you think you can get the job done with a budget of 7 million,' and the guy answered honestly by saying, 'no, I will need a further 3 million,' would that rule him out, no matter who he is. If Tony asked the guy, 'are you cool with working with a D of F,' and the guy replied, I would rather not, would that rule him out. What questions could Bloom ask of the applicant to get a feel for how long this one would stay. Could an applicant who voices aspirations to manage a prem club, one day, be a dangerous hiring. Would us bringing in a, recently disposed of prem manager not also be dangerous, might we not just be a holding position until that applicant gets a chane to go back to the prem, vacancies occur around Christmas time. What would you ask?[/p][/quote]Good young managers would rather be out of work than damaging there cv . TS will get a top job if he is lucky, west ham or west brom two possibles, The way I see it is would you take the job simply to work ( I expect TS got a years salary when he left spurs.. If it' ruins your .., do that and your next job will more likely be lower championship than premier league, basically managers can't be seen to fail more than they succeed .. Two failures after spurs and he is back coaching..[/p][/quote]agreed, managers don't want to damage their CV's. If a guy like Sherwood were to get a prem club job, the damage could be done in a matter of months as the demands are high. Coming to Brighton, a place where early failures or mistakes can be forgiven if by the end of the season things have turned around, just as was the case was pretty much with Oscar, might actually see his stock rise. How a manager handles adversity says more than how he copes with success. But that's just my opinion, for what it's worth. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

1:45pm Sun 18 May 14

tug509 says...

"But i dont have one negative word to say about this place and how this year has gone for me"
And i doubt you will find one negative word about yourself or your performances from any Brighton and Hove Albion supporters !. Hope we see you back at The Amex . UTA
"But i dont have one negative word to say about this place and how this year has gone for me" And i doubt you will find one negative word about yourself or your performances from any Brighton and Hove Albion supporters !. Hope we see you back at The Amex . UTA tug509
  • Score: 7

1:47pm Sun 18 May 14

tinker111 says...

Steve Ward the only loan pkayer we have this season worth signing rest have been poor to bad
Steve Ward the only loan pkayer we have this season worth signing rest have been poor to bad tinker111
  • Score: 0

1:50pm Sun 18 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
"But i dont have one negative word to say about this place and how this year has gone for me"
And i doubt you will find one negative word about yourself or your performances from any Brighton and Hove Albion supporters !. Hope we see you back at The Amex . UTA
Hi Tug.
There have been one or two errors in recruitment in the past year, loan deals that have just not worked out and the failure to replace a couple of players that were sold, these errors should not be compounded by letting Ward slip thru our fingers.

I have a feeling that Sherwood will not be coming to Brighton, not when he is in the frame for the job at Southampton, a straight swap looks a possibility there.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: "But i dont have one negative word to say about this place and how this year has gone for me" And i doubt you will find one negative word about yourself or your performances from any Brighton and Hove Albion supporters !. Hope we see you back at The Amex . UTA[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. There have been one or two errors in recruitment in the past year, loan deals that have just not worked out and the failure to replace a couple of players that were sold, these errors should not be compounded by letting Ward slip thru our fingers. I have a feeling that Sherwood will not be coming to Brighton, not when he is in the frame for the job at Southampton, a straight swap looks a possibility there. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

1:51pm Sun 18 May 14

tinker111 says...

tinker111 wrote:
Steve Ward the only loan pkayer we have this season worth signing rest have been poor to bad
OH before you have a go Lingard for me would not have started so many games but for the Man U terms he and Andrew were average at best Oboko ?? so very bad but what does Jones know ????
[quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: Steve Ward the only loan pkayer we have this season worth signing rest have been poor to bad[/p][/quote]OH before you have a go Lingard for me would not have started so many games but for the Man U terms he and Andrew were average at best Oboko ?? so very bad but what does Jones know ???? tinker111
  • Score: -1

2:46pm Sun 18 May 14

namgo49 says...

daughter-of-manag wrote:
I go away for a week or so and look what happens! With regards to OG's departure, I feel that he was a decent, humble bloke who did pretty well in taking us to the play offs. I'm not sure he's had too much say in transfers and loans - and I can understand there may have been tension created by the strange loan deal, that made Lingard's inclusion in the team mandatory for so many minutes of each game. OG's team selection and tactics would have been a tad constrained, to say the least. Ulloa's body language showed a lack of support for JL and growing frustration, and I wonder how LS's arrival annoyed the rest of the squad? With CMS chomping at the bit to play, and JL's very average performances, OG could not freely (perhaps) coach as he could have done sans JL.

OG inherited a strong squad with an attractive style of play that we all enjoyed under GP. Many of us were excited by the OG era, with promises of expansive, attacking football, and the squad (possibly) filled with Barca youth and B team players - "OLE" and all of that jazz. Appointing a Spanish speaking coach would have helped to settle down the anxious Spanish speaking players in the team.

GP's departure guaranteed us that (once GP secured a manger's position with a Premiership club), we would lose some of our best players ... Bridcut departed and we held on for dear life to Buckley (not sure why?). The cherries' Grabber grabbed a better deal, and we acquired a couple of average players in return.

Tactics have been frustrating. From GP's expansive, one touch football, we have evolved into a pass-hoof-miss pass-hoof kind of a team. Lingard's arrival did force OG's hand to play 2 up front, but, to be honest, 'evolution' has been a retrograde experience, and passion, flair and attitude have been and questionable these past couple of months.

Well done OG, you did a good job with limited financial resources, but we need to push for a top two finish and that means spending a few quid in order to get many quids by becoming a premier league team. Not sure why Orlandi and Hoskinls weren't given a years contract - and Jones has to be stopped drawing from his Yeovil bag of tricks!

Unfortunately, I can't see TS coming here, but I would certainly welcome him, or the likes of any manager committed to expansive football, or, at the very least, a coach that despises hoof ball as much as many of us do.
Spot on post, well done
[quote][p][bold]daughter-of-manag[/bold] wrote: I go away for a week or so and look what happens! With regards to OG's departure, I feel that he was a decent, humble bloke who did pretty well in taking us to the play offs. I'm not sure he's had too much say in transfers and loans - and I can understand there may have been tension created by the strange loan deal, that made Lingard's inclusion in the team mandatory for so many minutes of each game. OG's team selection and tactics would have been a tad constrained, to say the least. Ulloa's body language showed a lack of support for JL and growing frustration, and I wonder how LS's arrival annoyed the rest of the squad? With CMS chomping at the bit to play, and JL's very average performances, OG could not freely (perhaps) coach as he could have done sans JL. OG inherited a strong squad with an attractive style of play that we all enjoyed under GP. Many of us were excited by the OG era, with promises of expansive, attacking football, and the squad (possibly) filled with Barca youth and B team players - "OLE" and all of that jazz. Appointing a Spanish speaking coach would have helped to settle down the anxious Spanish speaking players in the team. GP's departure guaranteed us that (once GP secured a manger's position with a Premiership club), we would lose some of our best players ... Bridcut departed and we held on for dear life to Buckley (not sure why?). The cherries' Grabber grabbed a better deal, and we acquired a couple of average players in return. Tactics have been frustrating. From GP's expansive, one touch football, we have evolved into a pass-hoof-miss pass-hoof kind of a team. Lingard's arrival did force OG's hand to play 2 up front, but, to be honest, 'evolution' has been a retrograde experience, and passion, flair and attitude have been and questionable these past couple of months. Well done OG, you did a good job with limited financial resources, but we need to push for a top two finish and that means spending a few quid in order to get many quids by becoming a premier league team. Not sure why Orlandi and Hoskinls weren't given a years contract - and Jones has to be stopped drawing from his Yeovil bag of tricks! Unfortunately, I can't see TS coming here, but I would certainly welcome him, or the likes of any manager committed to expansive football, or, at the very least, a coach that despises hoof ball as much as many of us do.[/p][/quote]Spot on post, well done namgo49
  • Score: 1

2:48pm Sun 18 May 14

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
"But i dont have one negative word to say about this place and how this year has gone for me"
And i doubt you will find one negative word about yourself or your performances from any Brighton and Hove Albion supporters !. Hope we see you back at The Amex . UTA
Hi Tug.
There have been one or two errors in recruitment in the past year, loan deals that have just not worked out and the failure to replace a couple of players that were sold, these errors should not be compounded by letting Ward slip thru our fingers.

I have a feeling that Sherwood will not be coming to Brighton, not when he is in the frame for the job at Southampton, a straight swap looks a possibility there.
Hi mate ,yep i think we will find a way to mess this Ward business up ,i just feel so distanced from all the usual excitement that surrounds building a new squad for the new season ,normally you feel like your a part of the process ,but lately we have been given the "Mushroom" treatment and i actually feel resigned to the changes at our Great club ,and so far they are not good ones ,if that makes any sense ?. As always i hope for the best ,but am preparing for the worst . UTA
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: "But i dont have one negative word to say about this place and how this year has gone for me" And i doubt you will find one negative word about yourself or your performances from any Brighton and Hove Albion supporters !. Hope we see you back at The Amex . UTA[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. There have been one or two errors in recruitment in the past year, loan deals that have just not worked out and the failure to replace a couple of players that were sold, these errors should not be compounded by letting Ward slip thru our fingers. I have a feeling that Sherwood will not be coming to Brighton, not when he is in the frame for the job at Southampton, a straight swap looks a possibility there.[/p][/quote]Hi mate ,yep i think we will find a way to mess this Ward business up ,i just feel so distanced from all the usual excitement that surrounds building a new squad for the new season ,normally you feel like your a part of the process ,but lately we have been given the "Mushroom" treatment and i actually feel resigned to the changes at our Great club ,and so far they are not good ones ,if that makes any sense ?. As always i hope for the best ,but am preparing for the worst . UTA tug509
  • Score: 1

3:11pm Sun 18 May 14

OldGull says...

tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
"But i dont have one negative word to say about this place and how this year has gone for me"
And i doubt you will find one negative word about yourself or your performances from any Brighton and Hove Albion supporters !. Hope we see you back at The Amex . UTA
Hi Tug.
There have been one or two errors in recruitment in the past year, loan deals that have just not worked out and the failure to replace a couple of players that were sold, these errors should not be compounded by letting Ward slip thru our fingers.

I have a feeling that Sherwood will not be coming to Brighton, not when he is in the frame for the job at Southampton, a straight swap looks a possibility there.
Hi mate ,yep i think we will find a way to mess this Ward business up ,i just feel so distanced from all the usual excitement that surrounds building a new squad for the new season ,normally you feel like your a part of the process ,but lately we have been given the "Mushroom" treatment and i actually feel resigned to the changes at our Great club ,and so far they are not good ones ,if that makes any sense ?. As always i hope for the best ,but am preparing for the worst . UTA
Chill, The season has barely finished
Nothing gets done in May.
Having said that, You would hope someone would have a chat with Ward so that he doesn't look elsewhere.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: "But i dont have one negative word to say about this place and how this year has gone for me" And i doubt you will find one negative word about yourself or your performances from any Brighton and Hove Albion supporters !. Hope we see you back at The Amex . UTA[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. There have been one or two errors in recruitment in the past year, loan deals that have just not worked out and the failure to replace a couple of players that were sold, these errors should not be compounded by letting Ward slip thru our fingers. I have a feeling that Sherwood will not be coming to Brighton, not when he is in the frame for the job at Southampton, a straight swap looks a possibility there.[/p][/quote]Hi mate ,yep i think we will find a way to mess this Ward business up ,i just feel so distanced from all the usual excitement that surrounds building a new squad for the new season ,normally you feel like your a part of the process ,but lately we have been given the "Mushroom" treatment and i actually feel resigned to the changes at our Great club ,and so far they are not good ones ,if that makes any sense ?. As always i hope for the best ,but am preparing for the worst . UTA[/p][/quote]Chill, The season has barely finished Nothing gets done in May. Having said that, You would hope someone would have a chat with Ward so that he doesn't look elsewhere. OldGull
  • Score: 1

3:25pm Sun 18 May 14

tug509 says...

OldGull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
"But i dont have one negative word to say about this place and how this year has gone for me"
And i doubt you will find one negative word about yourself or your performances from any Brighton and Hove Albion supporters !. Hope we see you back at The Amex . UTA
Hi Tug.
There have been one or two errors in recruitment in the past year, loan deals that have just not worked out and the failure to replace a couple of players that were sold, these errors should not be compounded by letting Ward slip thru our fingers.

I have a feeling that Sherwood will not be coming to Brighton, not when he is in the frame for the job at Southampton, a straight swap looks a possibility there.
Hi mate ,yep i think we will find a way to mess this Ward business up ,i just feel so distanced from all the usual excitement that surrounds building a new squad for the new season ,normally you feel like your a part of the process ,but lately we have been given the "Mushroom" treatment and i actually feel resigned to the changes at our Great club ,and so far they are not good ones ,if that makes any sense ?. As always i hope for the best ,but am preparing for the worst . UTA
Chill, The season has barely finished
Nothing gets done in May.
Having said that, You would hope someone would have a chat with Ward so that he doesn't look elsewhere.
A natural born worrier !.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: "But i dont have one negative word to say about this place and how this year has gone for me" And i doubt you will find one negative word about yourself or your performances from any Brighton and Hove Albion supporters !. Hope we see you back at The Amex . UTA[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. There have been one or two errors in recruitment in the past year, loan deals that have just not worked out and the failure to replace a couple of players that were sold, these errors should not be compounded by letting Ward slip thru our fingers. I have a feeling that Sherwood will not be coming to Brighton, not when he is in the frame for the job at Southampton, a straight swap looks a possibility there.[/p][/quote]Hi mate ,yep i think we will find a way to mess this Ward business up ,i just feel so distanced from all the usual excitement that surrounds building a new squad for the new season ,normally you feel like your a part of the process ,but lately we have been given the "Mushroom" treatment and i actually feel resigned to the changes at our Great club ,and so far they are not good ones ,if that makes any sense ?. As always i hope for the best ,but am preparing for the worst . UTA[/p][/quote]Chill, The season has barely finished Nothing gets done in May. Having said that, You would hope someone would have a chat with Ward so that he doesn't look elsewhere.[/p][/quote]A natural born worrier !. tug509
  • Score: 1

3:46pm Sun 18 May 14

bhafc11 says...

what about signing cook back from bournemouth? we must of put in a clause with us being given first option, and him and elphick have been outstanding this year!
what about signing cook back from bournemouth? we must of put in a clause with us being given first option, and him and elphick have been outstanding this year! bhafc11
  • Score: -2

4:00pm Sun 18 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

bhafc11 wrote:
what about signing cook back from bournemouth? we must of put in a clause with us being given first option, and him and elphick have been outstanding this year!
They conceded 26 more goals than we did this season, so maybe not THAT outstanding :-)
[quote][p][bold]bhafc11[/bold] wrote: what about signing cook back from bournemouth? we must of put in a clause with us being given first option, and him and elphick have been outstanding this year![/p][/quote]They conceded 26 more goals than we did this season, so maybe not THAT outstanding :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

4:28pm Sun 18 May 14

ringtone says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
bhafc11 wrote:
what about signing cook back from bournemouth? we must of put in a clause with us being given first option, and him and elphick have been outstanding this year!
They conceded 26 more goals than we did this season, so maybe not THAT outstanding :-)
Just cant stop defending your boy Dunk, pity he cant.

Dont worry mate, will are still watching and even your subtle attempts that get past the majority will not be tolerated.

UTA
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhafc11[/bold] wrote: what about signing cook back from bournemouth? we must of put in a clause with us being given first option, and him and elphick have been outstanding this year![/p][/quote]They conceded 26 more goals than we did this season, so maybe not THAT outstanding :-)[/p][/quote]Just cant stop defending your boy Dunk, pity he cant. Dont worry mate, will are still watching and even your subtle attempts that get past the majority will not be tolerated. UTA ringtone
  • Score: -3

4:37pm Sun 18 May 14

The Phantom says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
"But i dont have one negative word to say about this place and how this year has gone for me"
And i doubt you will find one negative word about yourself or your performances from any Brighton and Hove Albion supporters !. Hope we see you back at The Amex . UTA
Hi Tug.
There have been one or two errors in recruitment in the past year, loan deals that have just not worked out and the failure to replace a couple of players that were sold, these errors should not be compounded by letting Ward slip thru our fingers.

I have a feeling that Sherwood will not be coming to Brighton, not when he is in the frame for the job at Southampton, a straight swap looks a possibility there.
Be very surprised if Sherwood got Southampton - not a club who appreciate people speaking their mind whether it be players, management, journalists or fans. Sherwood appears too much of a loose cannon to get a job like that.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: "But i dont have one negative word to say about this place and how this year has gone for me" And i doubt you will find one negative word about yourself or your performances from any Brighton and Hove Albion supporters !. Hope we see you back at The Amex . UTA[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. There have been one or two errors in recruitment in the past year, loan deals that have just not worked out and the failure to replace a couple of players that were sold, these errors should not be compounded by letting Ward slip thru our fingers. I have a feeling that Sherwood will not be coming to Brighton, not when he is in the frame for the job at Southampton, a straight swap looks a possibility there.[/p][/quote]Be very surprised if Sherwood got Southampton - not a club who appreciate people speaking their mind whether it be players, management, journalists or fans. Sherwood appears too much of a loose cannon to get a job like that. The Phantom
  • Score: 1

5:34pm Sun 18 May 14

dave from bexill says...

tinker111 wrote:
tinker111 wrote:
Steve Ward the only loan pkayer we have this season worth signing rest have been poor to bad
OH before you have a go Lingard for me would not have started so many games but for the Man U terms he and Andrew were average at best Oboko ?? so very bad but what does Jones know ????
And Conway?
[quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: Steve Ward the only loan pkayer we have this season worth signing rest have been poor to bad[/p][/quote]OH before you have a go Lingard for me would not have started so many games but for the Man U terms he and Andrew were average at best Oboko ?? so very bad but what does Jones know ????[/p][/quote]And Conway? dave from bexill
  • Score: 5

5:36pm Sun 18 May 14

ringtone says...

The Phantom wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
"But i dont have one negative word to say about this place and how this year has gone for me"
And i doubt you will find one negative word about yourself or your performances from any Brighton and Hove Albion supporters !. Hope we see you back at The Amex . UTA
Hi Tug.
There have been one or two errors in recruitment in the past year, loan deals that have just not worked out and the failure to replace a couple of players that were sold, these errors should not be compounded by letting Ward slip thru our fingers.

I have a feeling that Sherwood will not be coming to Brighton, not when he is in the frame for the job at Southampton, a straight swap looks a possibility there.
Be very surprised if Sherwood got Southampton - not a club who appreciate people speaking their mind whether it be players, management, journalists or fans. Sherwood appears too much of a loose cannon to get a job like that.
Sounds like you greatly admire this type of feudality.
[quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: "But i dont have one negative word to say about this place and how this year has gone for me" And i doubt you will find one negative word about yourself or your performances from any Brighton and Hove Albion supporters !. Hope we see you back at The Amex . UTA[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. There have been one or two errors in recruitment in the past year, loan deals that have just not worked out and the failure to replace a couple of players that were sold, these errors should not be compounded by letting Ward slip thru our fingers. I have a feeling that Sherwood will not be coming to Brighton, not when he is in the frame for the job at Southampton, a straight swap looks a possibility there.[/p][/quote]Be very surprised if Sherwood got Southampton - not a club who appreciate people speaking their mind whether it be players, management, journalists or fans. Sherwood appears too much of a loose cannon to get a job like that.[/p][/quote]Sounds like you greatly admire this type of feudality. ringtone
  • Score: -1

6:10pm Sun 18 May 14

dave from bexill says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
With Tony Bloom working on finding a new manager for the club, I have found myself wondering, just what questions is Tony asking of the candidates, what is it that he needs to know before hiring one of them.

If one of the questions is, 'what is your thinking on how the game should be played,' would the answer have to tie in to how Burke might answer that question, after all the D of F does do the negotiating.
If another question was,' how do you rate our existing squad,' would an applicant that has done his homework, taken steps to find out all he can, would that person score big points with Tony.
If asked by Tony, 'do you think you can get the job done with a budget of 7 million,' and the guy answered honestly by saying, 'no, I will need a further 3 million,' would that rule him out, no matter who he is.
If Tony asked the guy, 'are you cool with working with a D of F,' and the guy replied, I would rather not, would that rule him out.
What questions could Bloom ask of the applicant to get a feel for how long this one would stay. Could an applicant who voices aspirations to manage a prem club, one day, be a dangerous hiring. Would us bringing in a, recently disposed of prem manager not also be dangerous, might we not just be a holding position until that applicant gets a chane to go back to the prem, vacancies occur around Christmas time.

What would you ask?
Good young managers would rather be out of work than damaging there cv .
TS will get a top job if he is lucky, west ham or west brom two possibles,
The way I see it is would you take the job simply to work ( I expect TS got a years salary when he left spurs.. If it' ruins your .., do that and your next job will more likely be lower championship than premier league, basically managers can't be seen to fail more than they succeed .. Two failures after spurs and he is back coaching..
agreed, managers don't want to damage their CV's. If a guy like Sherwood were to get a prem club job, the damage could be done in a matter of months as the demands are high.
Coming to Brighton, a place where early failures or mistakes can be forgiven if by the end of the season things have turned around, just as was the case was pretty much with Oscar, might actually see his stock rise. How a manager handles adversity says more than how he copes with success.

But that's just my opinion, for what it's worth.
Excellent points made and maybe, but I hope not, Tim Sherwood might be thinking that after his stint with Spurs, albeit just a few months, he is now premier league ready and in his mind better than Albion, although that isn't the impression I got this morning. Guess it depends on the offers, if any, he receives.
Vegas, with regard to your statement about how long an ambitious manager might stay, yes, any sign of success and premier clubs are sure to come looking. However, I would turn that around and if I was inTony Blooms position would want my manager to be very ambitious and wanting to manage at the highest level possible, but hopefully of course any ambitions can be met at Albion
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: With Tony Bloom working on finding a new manager for the club, I have found myself wondering, just what questions is Tony asking of the candidates, what is it that he needs to know before hiring one of them. If one of the questions is, 'what is your thinking on how the game should be played,' would the answer have to tie in to how Burke might answer that question, after all the D of F does do the negotiating. If another question was,' how do you rate our existing squad,' would an applicant that has done his homework, taken steps to find out all he can, would that person score big points with Tony. If asked by Tony, 'do you think you can get the job done with a budget of 7 million,' and the guy answered honestly by saying, 'no, I will need a further 3 million,' would that rule him out, no matter who he is. If Tony asked the guy, 'are you cool with working with a D of F,' and the guy replied, I would rather not, would that rule him out. What questions could Bloom ask of the applicant to get a feel for how long this one would stay. Could an applicant who voices aspirations to manage a prem club, one day, be a dangerous hiring. Would us bringing in a, recently disposed of prem manager not also be dangerous, might we not just be a holding position until that applicant gets a chane to go back to the prem, vacancies occur around Christmas time. What would you ask?[/p][/quote]Good young managers would rather be out of work than damaging there cv . TS will get a top job if he is lucky, west ham or west brom two possibles, The way I see it is would you take the job simply to work ( I expect TS got a years salary when he left spurs.. If it' ruins your .., do that and your next job will more likely be lower championship than premier league, basically managers can't be seen to fail more than they succeed .. Two failures after spurs and he is back coaching..[/p][/quote]agreed, managers don't want to damage their CV's. If a guy like Sherwood were to get a prem club job, the damage could be done in a matter of months as the demands are high. Coming to Brighton, a place where early failures or mistakes can be forgiven if by the end of the season things have turned around, just as was the case was pretty much with Oscar, might actually see his stock rise. How a manager handles adversity says more than how he copes with success. But that's just my opinion, for what it's worth.[/p][/quote]Excellent points made and maybe, but I hope not, Tim Sherwood might be thinking that after his stint with Spurs, albeit just a few months, he is now premier league ready and in his mind better than Albion, although that isn't the impression I got this morning. Guess it depends on the offers, if any, he receives. Vegas, with regard to your statement about how long an ambitious manager might stay, yes, any sign of success and premier clubs are sure to come looking. However, I would turn that around and if I was inTony Blooms position would want my manager to be very ambitious and wanting to manage at the highest level possible, but hopefully of course any ambitions can be met at Albion dave from bexill
  • Score: 0

6:23pm Sun 18 May 14

dave from bexill says...

albionfan33 wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
I watched a tiny bit of Sky's Goals on Sunday this morning and caught Tim Sherwood being asked about his management hopes including Albion. He said he would be prepared to speak with any club matching his ambition and in particular would be honest in any discussions with interested clubs. He was clear that he likes to give youth a chance and believes there to be many young English players "out there" not really being given a chance at present. I for one like and rate the guy, but not sure that the 'pot' would be big enough for him, or indeed how Albion's executive would cope with his outspokenness,or in his view his honest assessment of situations, which ultimately upset Mr Levy at Spurs. Still hope we get him.
i cant see tim myself. as you say his mouth is an accident waiting to happen i can just see another gus situation all over again. the more i read about clement the more i like and he seems the type that bloom would go for. he seems an english version of og. namely very good coaching back ground to bring on our youngsters hopefully better at comunicating who he wants in addition to the current squad than og well heres hoping anyways
Albionfan33, with respect I didn't say or mean "his mouth is an accident waiting to happen"
With regard to your observation about Clement, yes he may well fit the bill and his coaching qualities seem to be spot on. However, the main concern I'd have is that the league has been littered over the years with number two's, who thought they could step to be the main man, only to fail because it's a totally different role. We'll have to wait and see
[quote][p][bold]albionfan33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: I watched a tiny bit of Sky's Goals on Sunday this morning and caught Tim Sherwood being asked about his management hopes including Albion. He said he would be prepared to speak with any club matching his ambition and in particular would be honest in any discussions with interested clubs. He was clear that he likes to give youth a chance and believes there to be many young English players "out there" not really being given a chance at present. I for one like and rate the guy, but not sure that the 'pot' would be big enough for him, or indeed how Albion's executive would cope with his outspokenness,or in his view his honest assessment of situations, which ultimately upset Mr Levy at Spurs. Still hope we get him.[/p][/quote]i cant see tim myself. as you say his mouth is an accident waiting to happen i can just see another gus situation all over again. the more i read about clement the more i like and he seems the type that bloom would go for. he seems an english version of og. namely very good coaching back ground to bring on our youngsters hopefully better at comunicating who he wants in addition to the current squad than og well heres hoping anyways[/p][/quote]Albionfan33, with respect I didn't say or mean "his mouth is an accident waiting to happen" With regard to your observation about Clement, yes he may well fit the bill and his coaching qualities seem to be spot on. However, the main concern I'd have is that the league has been littered over the years with number two's, who thought they could step to be the main man, only to fail because it's a totally different role. We'll have to wait and see dave from bexill
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7:03pm Sun 18 May 14

albionfan33 says...

dave from bexill wrote:
albionfan33 wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
I watched a tiny bit of Sky's Goals on Sunday this morning and caught Tim Sherwood being asked about his management hopes including Albion. He said he would be prepared to speak with any club matching his ambition and in particular would be honest in any discussions with interested clubs. He was clear that he likes to give youth a chance and believes there to be many young English players "out there" not really being given a chance at present. I for one like and rate the guy, but not sure that the 'pot' would be big enough for him, or indeed how Albion's executive would cope with his outspokenness,or in his view his honest assessment of situations, which ultimately upset Mr Levy at Spurs. Still hope we get him.
i cant see tim myself. as you say his mouth is an accident waiting to happen i can just see another gus situation all over again. the more i read about clement the more i like and he seems the type that bloom would go for. he seems an english version of og. namely very good coaching back ground to bring on our youngsters hopefully better at comunicating who he wants in addition to the current squad than og well heres hoping anyways
Albionfan33, with respect I didn't say or mean "his mouth is an accident waiting to happen"
With regard to your observation about Clement, yes he may well fit the bill and his coaching qualities seem to be spot on. However, the main concern I'd have is that the league has been littered over the years with number two's, who thought they could step to be the main man, only to fail because it's a totally different role. We'll have to wait and see
Beg my pardon.I think his mouth is an accident waiting to happen. And with what gus did and said still fresh in the mind i would be very surprised if TS was given the job. I also agree with your sentiments about number 2s not being good enough when given the opertunity. But i look around at the candidates and none fit the bill better than clement. He is definately a bloom type and unless there is another un-named so far in the mix i would be surprised if he wasnt our manager by mid week
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albionfan33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: I watched a tiny bit of Sky's Goals on Sunday this morning and caught Tim Sherwood being asked about his management hopes including Albion. He said he would be prepared to speak with any club matching his ambition and in particular would be honest in any discussions with interested clubs. He was clear that he likes to give youth a chance and believes there to be many young English players "out there" not really being given a chance at present. I for one like and rate the guy, but not sure that the 'pot' would be big enough for him, or indeed how Albion's executive would cope with his outspokenness,or in his view his honest assessment of situations, which ultimately upset Mr Levy at Spurs. Still hope we get him.[/p][/quote]i cant see tim myself. as you say his mouth is an accident waiting to happen i can just see another gus situation all over again. the more i read about clement the more i like and he seems the type that bloom would go for. he seems an english version of og. namely very good coaching back ground to bring on our youngsters hopefully better at comunicating who he wants in addition to the current squad than og well heres hoping anyways[/p][/quote]Albionfan33, with respect I didn't say or mean "his mouth is an accident waiting to happen" With regard to your observation about Clement, yes he may well fit the bill and his coaching qualities seem to be spot on. However, the main concern I'd have is that the league has been littered over the years with number two's, who thought they could step to be the main man, only to fail because it's a totally different role. We'll have to wait and see[/p][/quote]Beg my pardon.I think his mouth is an accident waiting to happen. And with what gus did and said still fresh in the mind i would be very surprised if TS was given the job. I also agree with your sentiments about number 2s not being good enough when given the opertunity. But i look around at the candidates and none fit the bill better than clement. He is definately a bloom type and unless there is another un-named so far in the mix i would be surprised if he wasnt our manager by mid week albionfan33
  • Score: 0

7:05pm Sun 18 May 14

gordongull says...

Is David Burke bigger than the Club?
This is not an exercise in Burke-bashing, and is not a personal vendetta. I would be asking it whoever was Head of Football Operations.
Almost everyone seems to agree that the best (potential) candidates would not come here because of Burke's role within the Club. So what callibre of manager would it take for Mr Bloom to dispense with a DOF? Eddie Howe? David Moyes? Pep Guardiola?
If Mr Bloom is serious about getting the best candidate for the job, he surely must be considering allowing him to manage independently, within the financial constraints under which the Club has to operate.
Otherwise I don't see us rising above the following categories:
a) Steve Kean territory. The type who can do a job under difficult circumstances, but would not be considered by clubs with a serious agenda.
b) Coaches who have an impressive CV as an assistant, but no experience as the man in charge. Paul Clement for example.
c) Managers who have a track record in Europe or elsewhere, but zero experience of the English Football Leagues. (Oscar).
We will be entering the transfer market with a mid-table budget this summer, so the only advantage available to us is getting a manager who is better than those at rival clubs.
The question is do we go for the best available candidate, or the best available candidate who will work with a Director of Football?
Is David Burke bigger than the Club? This is not an exercise in Burke-bashing, and is not a personal vendetta. I would be asking it whoever was Head of Football Operations. Almost everyone seems to agree that the best (potential) candidates would not come here because of Burke's role within the Club. So what callibre of manager would it take for Mr Bloom to dispense with a DOF? Eddie Howe? David Moyes? Pep Guardiola? If Mr Bloom is serious about getting the best candidate for the job, he surely must be considering allowing him to manage independently, within the financial constraints under which the Club has to operate. Otherwise I don't see us rising above the following categories: a) Steve Kean territory. The type who can do a job under difficult circumstances, but would not be considered by clubs with a serious agenda. b) Coaches who have an impressive CV as an assistant, but no experience as the man in charge. Paul Clement for example. c) Managers who have a track record in Europe or elsewhere, but zero experience of the English Football Leagues. (Oscar). We will be entering the transfer market with a mid-table budget this summer, so the only advantage available to us is getting a manager who is better than those at rival clubs. The question is do we go for the best available candidate, or the best available candidate who will work with a Director of Football? gordongull
  • Score: 1

7:32pm Sun 18 May 14

OldGull says...

As I have previously said, I do not understand the Anti Lingard brigade

He scored 4 goals in his short time with us which made him 3rd highest scorer behind Ulloa & Crofts.

Question
If he hadn't played, would his replacements have scored?
They couldn't before his arrival
As I have previously said, I do not understand the Anti Lingard brigade He scored 4 goals in his short time with us which made him 3rd highest scorer behind Ulloa & Crofts. Question If he hadn't played, would his replacements have scored? They couldn't before his arrival OldGull
  • Score: 4

7:51pm Sun 18 May 14

brightonup says...

I may have missed something here, and I confess I haven't had time to read the thread properly - but can anyone tell me why Tim Sherwood is such a potential catch for us? He seems to be favoured by several people who post on this site and of course is apparently the bookmakers' favourite.

Why? What is special about Tim Sherwood?
I may have missed something here, and I confess I haven't had time to read the thread properly - but can anyone tell me why Tim Sherwood is such a potential catch for us? He seems to be favoured by several people who post on this site and of course is apparently the bookmakers' favourite. Why? What is special about Tim Sherwood? brightonup
  • Score: -1

7:54pm Sun 18 May 14

albionfan33 says...

brightonup wrote:
I may have missed something here, and I confess I haven't had time to read the thread properly - but can anyone tell me why Tim Sherwood is such a potential catch for us? He seems to be favoured by several people who post on this site and of course is apparently the bookmakers' favourite.

Why? What is special about Tim Sherwood?
he wouldnt be my choice to take over either. he just seems another gus to me
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: I may have missed something here, and I confess I haven't had time to read the thread properly - but can anyone tell me why Tim Sherwood is such a potential catch for us? He seems to be favoured by several people who post on this site and of course is apparently the bookmakers' favourite. Why? What is special about Tim Sherwood?[/p][/quote]he wouldnt be my choice to take over either. he just seems another gus to me albionfan33
  • Score: 0

8:19pm Sun 18 May 14

albionbloke says...

Still warming up to Clement, all things considered.
Still warming up to Clement, all things considered. albionbloke
  • Score: 0

8:24pm Sun 18 May 14

ringtone says...

brightonup wrote:
I may have missed something here, and I confess I haven't had time to read the thread properly - but can anyone tell me why Tim Sherwood is such a potential catch for us? He seems to be favoured by several people who post on this site and of course is apparently the bookmakers' favourite.

Why? What is special about Tim Sherwood?
We know you will never tell us your prefered candidate, cos thats not what you are all about, is it mate.

Load the gun and let somebody else shoot, keep it safe cos you have always ran a tight ship, no wonder you thought the sun shown out of oscars arsenal.
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: I may have missed something here, and I confess I haven't had time to read the thread properly - but can anyone tell me why Tim Sherwood is such a potential catch for us? He seems to be favoured by several people who post on this site and of course is apparently the bookmakers' favourite. Why? What is special about Tim Sherwood?[/p][/quote]We know you will never tell us your prefered candidate, cos thats not what you are all about, is it mate. Load the gun and let somebody else shoot, keep it safe cos you have always ran a tight ship, no wonder you thought the sun shown out of oscars arsenal. ringtone
  • Score: -2

8:28pm Sun 18 May 14

gordongull says...

I think if the Club start signing players, any self-respecting candidate for Manager will run a mile. Hopefully he will be a target for the new man if he is available when the transfer window opens.
I think if the Club start signing players, any self-respecting candidate for Manager will run a mile. Hopefully he will be a target for the new man if he is available when the transfer window opens. gordongull
  • Score: 1

9:14pm Sun 18 May 14

brightonup says...

If Dungtone's IQ was any lower, he'd be in a greenhouse and watered daily.

He is all about spouting his fatuous, valueless opinion - but doesn't have the inclination or faculty to seek the opinion of others.

He is an absolute zero.....
If Dungtone's IQ was any lower, he'd be in a greenhouse and watered daily. He is all about spouting his fatuous, valueless opinion - but doesn't have the inclination or faculty to seek the opinion of others. He is an absolute zero..... brightonup
  • Score: 0

9:28pm Sun 18 May 14

gordongull says...

For anyone wondering why Tim Sherwood is such a popular candidate, it can be summed up in one word: charisma.
Here is my shortlist of candidates for the job. They all have one thing in common. They have got a team promoted to the top flight.
Neil Warnock: Has achieved promotion with seven Clubs including taking Notts County, Sheffield United and Queens Park Rangers to the top tier of English football. (Wouldn't work with a DOF).
Brian McDermott: Took Reading up in 2011-2012 winning 17 of the last 23 to take the Title.
Iain Dowie: ''Football is about making the most of your ventures into the final third, yet often many teams find it difficult to make their visits into the opposition's half count.''
We could do with some of that!
There is no substitute for experience, and these three have a wealth of it.
They would be realistic if available, and are low-risk compared to Sherwood and Clement.
For anyone wondering why Tim Sherwood is such a popular candidate, it can be summed up in one word: charisma. Here is my shortlist of candidates for the job. They all have one thing in common. They have got a team promoted to the top flight. Neil Warnock: Has achieved promotion with seven Clubs including taking Notts County, Sheffield United and Queens Park Rangers to the top tier of English football. (Wouldn't work with a DOF). Brian McDermott: Took Reading up in 2011-2012 winning 17 of the last 23 to take the Title. Iain Dowie: ''Football is about making the most of your ventures into the final third, yet often many teams find it difficult to make their visits into the opposition's half count.'' We could do with some of that! There is no substitute for experience, and these three have a wealth of it. They would be realistic if available, and are low-risk compared to Sherwood and Clement. gordongull
  • Score: -4

9:39pm Sun 18 May 14

namgo49 says...

OldGull wrote:
As I have previously said, I do not understand the Anti Lingard brigade

He scored 4 goals in his short time with us which made him 3rd highest scorer behind Ulloa & Crofts.

Question
If he hadn't played, would his replacements have scored?
They couldn't before his arrival
As per the agreement we had with MU, if fit he had to play. As a result, latterly he kept CMS from starting or even playing the final 30 mins. CMS looked ticked off, Ulloa looked ticked off.

He gave away the ball far too much and committed too many fouls because he had neither power nor pace. In the final game his performance was lamentable. Completely bottled it.

Hopefully he will have learned from the experience with us and his home club will have learned a lot about him.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: As I have previously said, I do not understand the Anti Lingard brigade He scored 4 goals in his short time with us which made him 3rd highest scorer behind Ulloa & Crofts. Question If he hadn't played, would his replacements have scored? They couldn't before his arrival[/p][/quote]As per the agreement we had with MU, if fit he had to play. As a result, latterly he kept CMS from starting or even playing the final 30 mins. CMS looked ticked off, Ulloa looked ticked off. He gave away the ball far too much and committed too many fouls because he had neither power nor pace. In the final game his performance was lamentable. Completely bottled it. Hopefully he will have learned from the experience with us and his home club will have learned a lot about him. namgo49
  • Score: 1

9:56pm Sun 18 May 14

mark by the sea says...

namgo49 wrote:
OldGull wrote:
As I have previously said, I do not understand the Anti Lingard brigade

He scored 4 goals in his short time with us which made him 3rd highest scorer behind Ulloa & Crofts.

Question
If he hadn't played, would his replacements have scored?
They couldn't before his arrival
As per the agreement we had with MU, if fit he had to play. As a result, latterly he kept CMS from starting or even playing the final 30 mins. CMS looked ticked off, Ulloa looked ticked off.

He gave away the ball far too much and committed too many fouls because he had neither power nor pace. In the final game his performance was lamentable. Completely bottled it.

Hopefully he will have learned from the experience with us and his home club will have learned a lot about him.
My bet is lingard never plays first team football for MU , or we never get the best from attacking players? Noone was the same, cms , Hoskins holroyd lol
Seriously success and attacking players don't seem to wear the blue and white!
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: As I have previously said, I do not understand the Anti Lingard brigade He scored 4 goals in his short time with us which made him 3rd highest scorer behind Ulloa & Crofts. Question If he hadn't played, would his replacements have scored? They couldn't before his arrival[/p][/quote]As per the agreement we had with MU, if fit he had to play. As a result, latterly he kept CMS from starting or even playing the final 30 mins. CMS looked ticked off, Ulloa looked ticked off. He gave away the ball far too much and committed too many fouls because he had neither power nor pace. In the final game his performance was lamentable. Completely bottled it. Hopefully he will have learned from the experience with us and his home club will have learned a lot about him.[/p][/quote]My bet is lingard never plays first team football for MU , or we never get the best from attacking players? Noone was the same, cms , Hoskins holroyd lol Seriously success and attacking players don't seem to wear the blue and white! mark by the sea
  • Score: -5

10:13pm Sun 18 May 14

gordongull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
namgo49 wrote:
OldGull wrote:
As I have previously said, I do not understand the Anti Lingard brigade

He scored 4 goals in his short time with us which made him 3rd highest scorer behind Ulloa & Crofts.

Question
If he hadn't played, would his replacements have scored?
They couldn't before his arrival
As per the agreement we had with MU, if fit he had to play. As a result, latterly he kept CMS from starting or even playing the final 30 mins. CMS looked ticked off, Ulloa looked ticked off.

He gave away the ball far too much and committed too many fouls because he had neither power nor pace. In the final game his performance was lamentable. Completely bottled it.

Hopefully he will have learned from the experience with us and his home club will have learned a lot about him.
My bet is lingard never plays first team football for MU , or we never get the best from attacking players? Noone was the same, cms , Hoskins holroyd lol
Seriously success and attacking players don't seem to wear the blue and white!
Maybe because our attack is a luxury item. Only used when it is easier than going sideways or back.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: As I have previously said, I do not understand the Anti Lingard brigade He scored 4 goals in his short time with us which made him 3rd highest scorer behind Ulloa & Crofts. Question If he hadn't played, would his replacements have scored? They couldn't before his arrival[/p][/quote]As per the agreement we had with MU, if fit he had to play. As a result, latterly he kept CMS from starting or even playing the final 30 mins. CMS looked ticked off, Ulloa looked ticked off. He gave away the ball far too much and committed too many fouls because he had neither power nor pace. In the final game his performance was lamentable. Completely bottled it. Hopefully he will have learned from the experience with us and his home club will have learned a lot about him.[/p][/quote]My bet is lingard never plays first team football for MU , or we never get the best from attacking players? Noone was the same, cms , Hoskins holroyd lol Seriously success and attacking players don't seem to wear the blue and white![/p][/quote]Maybe because our attack is a luxury item. Only used when it is easier than going sideways or back. gordongull
  • Score: -2

10:55pm Sun 18 May 14

mark by the sea says...

gordongull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
namgo49 wrote:
OldGull wrote:
As I have previously said, I do not understand the Anti Lingard brigade

He scored 4 goals in his short time with us which made him 3rd highest scorer behind Ulloa & Crofts.

Question
If he hadn't played, would his replacements have scored?
They couldn't before his arrival
As per the agreement we had with MU, if fit he had to play. As a result, latterly he kept CMS from starting or even playing the final 30 mins. CMS looked ticked off, Ulloa looked ticked off.

He gave away the ball far too much and committed too many fouls because he had neither power nor pace. In the final game his performance was lamentable. Completely bottled it.

Hopefully he will have learned from the experience with us and his home club will have learned a lot about him.
My bet is lingard never plays first team football for MU , or we never get the best from attacking players? Noone was the same, cms , Hoskins holroyd lol
Seriously success and attacking players don't seem to wear the blue and white!
Maybe because our attack is a luxury item. Only used when it is easier than going sideways or back.
Maybe , I keep looking at ward and he reminds me of someone!
Just now I realised who!
WARD is mark McGee love child!
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: As I have previously said, I do not understand the Anti Lingard brigade He scored 4 goals in his short time with us which made him 3rd highest scorer behind Ulloa & Crofts. Question If he hadn't played, would his replacements have scored? They couldn't before his arrival[/p][/quote]As per the agreement we had with MU, if fit he had to play. As a result, latterly he kept CMS from starting or even playing the final 30 mins. CMS looked ticked off, Ulloa looked ticked off. He gave away the ball far too much and committed too many fouls because he had neither power nor pace. In the final game his performance was lamentable. Completely bottled it. Hopefully he will have learned from the experience with us and his home club will have learned a lot about him.[/p][/quote]My bet is lingard never plays first team football for MU , or we never get the best from attacking players? Noone was the same, cms , Hoskins holroyd lol Seriously success and attacking players don't seem to wear the blue and white![/p][/quote]Maybe because our attack is a luxury item. Only used when it is easier than going sideways or back.[/p][/quote]Maybe , I keep looking at ward and he reminds me of someone! Just now I realised who! WARD is mark McGee love child! mark by the sea
  • Score: -3

9:07am Mon 19 May 14

daughter-of-manag says...

mark by the sea wrote:
namgo49 wrote:
OldGull wrote:
As I have previously said, I do not understand the Anti Lingard brigade

He scored 4 goals in his short time with us which made him 3rd highest scorer behind Ulloa & Crofts.

Question
If he hadn't played, would his replacements have scored?
They couldn't before his arrival
As per the agreement we had with MU, if fit he had to play. As a result, latterly he kept CMS from starting or even playing the final 30 mins. CMS looked ticked off, Ulloa looked ticked off.

He gave away the ball far too much and committed too many fouls because he had neither power nor pace. In the final game his performance was lamentable. Completely bottled it.

Hopefully he will have learned from the experience with us and his home club will have learned a lot about him.
My bet is lingard never plays first team football for MU , or we never get the best from attacking players? Noone was the same, cms , Hoskins holroyd lol
Seriously success and attacking players don't seem to wear the blue and white!
Conway.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: As I have previously said, I do not understand the Anti Lingard brigade He scored 4 goals in his short time with us which made him 3rd highest scorer behind Ulloa & Crofts. Question If he hadn't played, would his replacements have scored? They couldn't before his arrival[/p][/quote]As per the agreement we had with MU, if fit he had to play. As a result, latterly he kept CMS from starting or even playing the final 30 mins. CMS looked ticked off, Ulloa looked ticked off. He gave away the ball far too much and committed too many fouls because he had neither power nor pace. In the final game his performance was lamentable. Completely bottled it. Hopefully he will have learned from the experience with us and his home club will have learned a lot about him.[/p][/quote]My bet is lingard never plays first team football for MU , or we never get the best from attacking players? Noone was the same, cms , Hoskins holroyd lol Seriously success and attacking players don't seem to wear the blue and white![/p][/quote]Conway. daughter-of-manag
  • Score: 2

1:42pm Mon 19 May 14

tinker111 says...

dave from bexill wrote:
tinker111 wrote:
tinker111 wrote:
Steve Ward the only loan pkayer we have this season worth signing rest have been poor to bad
OH before you have a go Lingard for me would not have started so many games but for the Man U terms he and Andrew were average at best Oboko ?? so very bad but what does Jones know ????
And Conway?
Conway far better than lingard but sadly not here long enough to make a lasting impresion
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: Steve Ward the only loan pkayer we have this season worth signing rest have been poor to bad[/p][/quote]OH before you have a go Lingard for me would not have started so many games but for the Man U terms he and Andrew were average at best Oboko ?? so very bad but what does Jones know ????[/p][/quote]And Conway?[/p][/quote]Conway far better than lingard but sadly not here long enough to make a lasting impresion tinker111
  • Score: 0

5:39pm Mon 19 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

tinker111 wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
tinker111 wrote:
tinker111 wrote:
Steve Ward the only loan pkayer we have this season worth signing rest have been poor to bad
OH before you have a go Lingard for me would not have started so many games but for the Man U terms he and Andrew were average at best Oboko ?? so very bad but what does Jones know ????
And Conway?
Conway far better than lingard but sadly not here long enough to make a lasting impresion
Lingard 15 games.
Conway 13 games.

(Also worth remembering for his first half a dozen games some on here were saying Conway was our worst loanee ever.)
[quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: Steve Ward the only loan pkayer we have this season worth signing rest have been poor to bad[/p][/quote]OH before you have a go Lingard for me would not have started so many games but for the Man U terms he and Andrew were average at best Oboko ?? so very bad but what does Jones know ????[/p][/quote]And Conway?[/p][/quote]Conway far better than lingard but sadly not here long enough to make a lasting impresion[/p][/quote]Lingard 15 games. Conway 13 games. (Also worth remembering for his first half a dozen games some on here were saying Conway was our worst loanee ever.) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

5:47am Wed 28 May 14

JFC1 says...

Steve Clarke for me.
Steve Clarke for me. JFC1
  • Score: 0

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