Sherwood: No contact with Albion

Tim Sherwood

Tim Sherwood

First published in Sport

Tim Sherwood has revealed he has not spoken to Albion about their managerial vacancy.

The former Tottenham boss has kept a high media profile since being sacked last week and remains bookies’ favourite to take over at the Amex.

He told talkSPORT radio this morning: "I have not spoken (to Albion). I have not been offered the job.

"I've heard a lot of rumours but I'm happy to speak to any clubs. I want to stay in management.

"I want to see if the club suits me. What I don’t want to do is go into a situation where in five months' time I'm out of a job again.”

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11:10am Mon 19 May 14

seagullsays says...

So what do we all think about this? Smoke and mirrors possibly.

Has the club done nothing at all him, or have they spoken to his agent, with talks at a reasonably advanced stage, but without him actually sitting down with TB yet?

Could be either, hopefully not the former.
So what do we all think about this? Smoke and mirrors possibly. Has the club done nothing at all him, or have they spoken to his agent, with talks at a reasonably advanced stage, but without him actually sitting down with TB yet? Could be either, hopefully not the former. seagullsays
  • Score: -2

11:25am Mon 19 May 14

pte says...

TS definitely fancies it but on his terms. When he talks about honest discussions with the chairman he can only be alluding to BHA. I don't think they are in discussions at the moment because it would be impolite to talk about honest discussions while discussions are taking place.

My guess is TS is giving TB the wink that he could be interested if approached but the terms must be right.

This might be all too much for our Tony
TS definitely fancies it but on his terms. When he talks about honest discussions with the chairman he can only be alluding to BHA. I don't think they are in discussions at the moment because it would be impolite to talk about honest discussions while discussions are taking place. My guess is TS is giving TB the wink that he could be interested if approached but the terms must be right. This might be all too much for our Tony pte
  • Score: 5

11:25am Mon 19 May 14

Rhodes Seagull says...

Ok get the thumbs down ready!!
This is if what he has stated is ridiculous, if he has not spoken to the club or even if he is in the frame actually with TB then are we looking at another week maybe two before the club appoint a new manager.
I got thumbs down in the last article for stating the club is telling us nothing solid. Many have said on here before we are the backbone of the club without us there would be no club I also agree that when it comes to maybe signing a player it is kept close to the chest but this is a manager we are looking for so why can the club give us some news on how things are progressing or not if that is the case, stating "we have many high profile people asking about the position" is really not telling us a lot is it?
Ok get the thumbs down ready!! This is if what he has stated is ridiculous, if he has not spoken to the club or even if he is in the frame actually with TB then are we looking at another week maybe two before the club appoint a new manager. I got thumbs down in the last article for stating the club is telling us nothing solid. Many have said on here before we are the backbone of the club without us there would be no club I also agree that when it comes to maybe signing a player it is kept close to the chest but this is a manager we are looking for so why can the club give us some news on how things are progressing or not if that is the case, stating "we have many high profile people asking about the position" is really not telling us a lot is it? Rhodes Seagull
  • Score: -33

11:35am Mon 19 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Ok get the thumbs down ready!!
This is if what he has stated is ridiculous, if he has not spoken to the club or even if he is in the frame actually with TB then are we looking at another week maybe two before the club appoint a new manager.
I got thumbs down in the last article for stating the club is telling us nothing solid. Many have said on here before we are the backbone of the club without us there would be no club I also agree that when it comes to maybe signing a player it is kept close to the chest but this is a manager we are looking for so why can the club give us some news on how things are progressing or not if that is the case, stating "we have many high profile people asking about the position" is really not telling us a lot is it?
Do you really expect the club to give details of who is and isn't applying for the job? For a start the managers/coaches themselves will not want this made public knowledge if only because it may make them look like 5th choice if they end up getting the post. Far better to have only the successful applicant's name made public.
[quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: Ok get the thumbs down ready!! This is if what he has stated is ridiculous, if he has not spoken to the club or even if he is in the frame actually with TB then are we looking at another week maybe two before the club appoint a new manager. I got thumbs down in the last article for stating the club is telling us nothing solid. Many have said on here before we are the backbone of the club without us there would be no club I also agree that when it comes to maybe signing a player it is kept close to the chest but this is a manager we are looking for so why can the club give us some news on how things are progressing or not if that is the case, stating "we have many high profile people asking about the position" is really not telling us a lot is it?[/p][/quote]Do you really expect the club to give details of who is and isn't applying for the job? For a start the managers/coaches themselves will not want this made public knowledge if only because it may make them look like 5th choice if they end up getting the post. Far better to have only the successful applicant's name made public. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 44

11:37am Mon 19 May 14

AburridoEnTrabajo says...

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Ok get the thumbs down ready!!
This is if what he has stated is ridiculous, if he has not spoken to the club or even if he is in the frame actually with TB then are we looking at another week maybe two before the club appoint a new manager.
I got thumbs down in the last article for stating the club is telling us nothing solid. Many have said on here before we are the backbone of the club without us there would be no club I also agree that when it comes to maybe signing a player it is kept close to the chest but this is a manager we are looking for so why can the club give us some news on how things are progressing or not if that is the case, stating "we have many high profile people asking about the position" is really not telling us a lot is it?
If you were currently employed, would you apply for a job with a different employer who publicises the names of the people applying for the job?
[quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: Ok get the thumbs down ready!! This is if what he has stated is ridiculous, if he has not spoken to the club or even if he is in the frame actually with TB then are we looking at another week maybe two before the club appoint a new manager. I got thumbs down in the last article for stating the club is telling us nothing solid. Many have said on here before we are the backbone of the club without us there would be no club I also agree that when it comes to maybe signing a player it is kept close to the chest but this is a manager we are looking for so why can the club give us some news on how things are progressing or not if that is the case, stating "we have many high profile people asking about the position" is really not telling us a lot is it?[/p][/quote]If you were currently employed, would you apply for a job with a different employer who publicises the names of the people applying for the job? AburridoEnTrabajo
  • Score: 26

11:43am Mon 19 May 14

pablobrowno says...

Just to sidestep the manager issue for a minute because it' all just speculation until something happens...

I see we are interested in the lad Steven Reid from West Brom, centre half. 3 years all loads of PL experience perhaps a back up option if Upson doesn't re-sign.

Upson has been great but not getting any younger, not the end of world if he was to go. Can't see him starting week in week out at Leicester though, THink he is settled in Brighton and will stay.
Just to sidestep the manager issue for a minute because it' all just speculation until something happens... I see we are interested in the lad Steven Reid from West Brom, centre half. 3 years all loads of PL experience perhaps a back up option if Upson doesn't re-sign. Upson has been great but not getting any younger, not the end of world if he was to go. Can't see him starting week in week out at Leicester though, THink he is settled in Brighton and will stay. pablobrowno
  • Score: 11

11:52am Mon 19 May 14

JeffLomer says...

Some people on here need to calm down and be patient about who will become our next manager some off the posts are ridiculous, Tony Bloom needs to get this right, or we will be having the same conversation in twelve months time, Oscar only went last week same with Sherwood, whoever we appoint will get a small budget like it or not that's FACT, if someone like Sherwood or anyone else being linked can't work on a small budget then they won't be offered the job at Brighton, they might get 5million tops for players other than that it will be players out off contracts on a free or players in on loan, give Bloom time to get us the right man for the long haul not someone who will use us as a stepping stone for a bigger job, appointing the wrong guy will set us back at least five years, right guy might get us were we want to be in 2-3 years, be patient boys
Up the Albion!!!!
Some people on here need to calm down and be patient about who will become our next manager some off the posts are ridiculous, Tony Bloom needs to get this right, or we will be having the same conversation in twelve months time, Oscar only went last week same with Sherwood, whoever we appoint will get a small budget like it or not that's FACT, if someone like Sherwood or anyone else being linked can't work on a small budget then they won't be offered the job at Brighton, they might get 5million tops for players other than that it will be players out off contracts on a free or players in on loan, give Bloom time to get us the right man for the long haul not someone who will use us as a stepping stone for a bigger job, appointing the wrong guy will set us back at least five years, right guy might get us were we want to be in 2-3 years, be patient boys Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 22

11:55am Mon 19 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Isn't it obvious. When two strong minded men walked out/one pushed out - it's clear that they are not looking for that type of manager but one who is prepared to take on working for a Head of Football who is unlikely to have the level of experience in any areas of the game as the manager.

Another point is that it appears the new man will have to accept Nathan Jones as his assistant. Would a really experienced manager be willing to do this. No sleight on Nathan or David Burke - just stating the obvious with really experienced managers.

So to me it looks an odds on cert that Paul Clement is their preferred choice. Fits their bill perfectly. Desperate and hungry to try his hand in management for the first time and more likely to co-operate with whatever happens above him - for a while anyway.

Champions League Final only a few days away now so I guess we'll wait till then to hear some news. He has worked with a very class manager in Ancellotti so that's a big plus. Let's see - fascinating to observe the 'play'!

One things for sure - it'll all turn out the way it's meant to for everyone's best interests so that all can learn whatever it is they're here to learn.

Whoever it is. We will still be there next season come rain or shine.
Isn't it obvious. When two strong minded men walked out/one pushed out - it's clear that they are not looking for that type of manager but one who is prepared to take on working for a Head of Football who is unlikely to have the level of experience in any areas of the game as the manager. Another point is that it appears the new man will have to accept Nathan Jones as his assistant. Would a really experienced manager be willing to do this. No sleight on Nathan or David Burke - just stating the obvious with really experienced managers. So to me it looks an odds on cert that Paul Clement is their preferred choice. Fits their bill perfectly. Desperate and hungry to try his hand in management for the first time and more likely to co-operate with whatever happens above him - for a while anyway. Champions League Final only a few days away now so I guess we'll wait till then to hear some news. He has worked with a very class manager in Ancellotti so that's a big plus. Let's see - fascinating to observe the 'play'! One things for sure - it'll all turn out the way it's meant to for everyone's best interests so that all can learn whatever it is they're here to learn. Whoever it is. We will still be there next season come rain or shine. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 13

11:58am Mon 19 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

pablobrowno wrote:
Just to sidestep the manager issue for a minute because it' all just speculation until something happens...

I see we are interested in the lad Steven Reid from West Brom, centre half. 3 years all loads of PL experience perhaps a back up option if Upson doesn't re-sign.

Upson has been great but not getting any younger, not the end of world if he was to go. Can't see him starting week in week out at Leicester though, THink he is settled in Brighton and will stay.
I'm not sure I'd be quite so blasé about losing our current player of the year.
[quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Just to sidestep the manager issue for a minute because it' all just speculation until something happens... I see we are interested in the lad Steven Reid from West Brom, centre half. 3 years all loads of PL experience perhaps a back up option if Upson doesn't re-sign. Upson has been great but not getting any younger, not the end of world if he was to go. Can't see him starting week in week out at Leicester though, THink he is settled in Brighton and will stay.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure I'd be quite so blasé about losing our current player of the year. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 6

12:02pm Mon 19 May 14

mikeygit says...

He has not spoken to Albion---does not mean he has not applied for the job--which he has not confirmed or denied. TB is collating all the applicants and then no doubt will speak to those he is interested in and who is to say that Sherwood will not be one of them??
He has not spoken to Albion---does not mean he has not applied for the job--which he has not confirmed or denied. TB is collating all the applicants and then no doubt will speak to those he is interested in and who is to say that Sherwood will not be one of them?? mikeygit
  • Score: 0

12:02pm Mon 19 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Isn't it obvious. When two strong minded men walked out/one pushed out - it's clear that they are not looking for that type of manager but one who is prepared to take on working for a Head of Football who is unlikely to have the level of experience in any areas of the game as the manager.

Another point is that it appears the new man will have to accept Nathan Jones as his assistant. Would a really experienced manager be willing to do this. No sleight on Nathan or David Burke - just stating the obvious with really experienced managers.

So to me it looks an odds on cert that Paul Clement is their preferred choice. Fits their bill perfectly. Desperate and hungry to try his hand in management for the first time and more likely to co-operate with whatever happens above him - for a while anyway.

Champions League Final only a few days away now so I guess we'll wait till then to hear some news. He has worked with a very class manager in Ancellotti so that's a big plus. Let's see - fascinating to observe the 'play'!

One things for sure - it'll all turn out the way it's meant to for everyone's best interests so that all can learn whatever it is they're here to learn.

Whoever it is. We will still be there next season come rain or shine.
The Head of Football Operations is a guy who has extensive experience in that particular facet of running a football club. Far more so than OG did. He was also a decent non-league player if memory serves, so that is all neither here nor there.

But the main point is, why do you think the new man having to accept Nathan Jones is a definite? If a new man wanted to bring in his own assistant then Jones will be moved on with some kind of compensation package, but until that time what is the point in getting rid of him? The club are keeping their options open, and that must be the right thing to do.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: Isn't it obvious. When two strong minded men walked out/one pushed out - it's clear that they are not looking for that type of manager but one who is prepared to take on working for a Head of Football who is unlikely to have the level of experience in any areas of the game as the manager. Another point is that it appears the new man will have to accept Nathan Jones as his assistant. Would a really experienced manager be willing to do this. No sleight on Nathan or David Burke - just stating the obvious with really experienced managers. So to me it looks an odds on cert that Paul Clement is their preferred choice. Fits their bill perfectly. Desperate and hungry to try his hand in management for the first time and more likely to co-operate with whatever happens above him - for a while anyway. Champions League Final only a few days away now so I guess we'll wait till then to hear some news. He has worked with a very class manager in Ancellotti so that's a big plus. Let's see - fascinating to observe the 'play'! One things for sure - it'll all turn out the way it's meant to for everyone's best interests so that all can learn whatever it is they're here to learn. Whoever it is. We will still be there next season come rain or shine.[/p][/quote]The Head of Football Operations is a guy who has extensive experience in that particular facet of running a football club. Far more so than OG did. He was also a decent non-league player if memory serves, so that is all neither here nor there. But the main point is, why do you think the new man having to accept Nathan Jones is a definite? If a new man wanted to bring in his own assistant then Jones will be moved on with some kind of compensation package, but until that time what is the point in getting rid of him? The club are keeping their options open, and that must be the right thing to do. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

12:10pm Mon 19 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

It seems most available managers are being linked to the Norwich job at the moment probably because of the parachute money they will have more to spend. It looks like Malcky Mac is favourite to go there now, but once that job is filled then perhaps the other available managers will focus their attention on other vacancies like the Albion job. Even so I'd hope we are being more proactive than the reports suggest and try to get Sherwood on board, or Hughton, good managers aren't unemployed for long and if there really has been no contact then it's very disappointing indeed. This Clement from Real Madrid may be good but he doesn't know the championship from experience and must be a bit of a gamble, otherwise what sort of manager are we going to end up with? I would have pushed the boat out a bit to get Mackay, Sherwood or Hughton in and not hung around while other clubs step in. It seems to take an eternity for anything to get done and we'll be at the back of the que if we don't pull our socks up.
It seems most available managers are being linked to the Norwich job at the moment probably because of the parachute money they will have more to spend. It looks like Malcky Mac is favourite to go there now, but once that job is filled then perhaps the other available managers will focus their attention on other vacancies like the Albion job. Even so I'd hope we are being more proactive than the reports suggest and try to get Sherwood on board, or Hughton, good managers aren't unemployed for long and if there really has been no contact then it's very disappointing indeed. This Clement from Real Madrid may be good but he doesn't know the championship from experience and must be a bit of a gamble, otherwise what sort of manager are we going to end up with? I would have pushed the boat out a bit to get Mackay, Sherwood or Hughton in and not hung around while other clubs step in. It seems to take an eternity for anything to get done and we'll be at the back of the que if we don't pull our socks up. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: -12

12:14pm Mon 19 May 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

So he hasn't spoken to the Albion. Maybe his agent has though!
Stay calm everyone - no need to panic.
As regards NJ this also will be sorted out in due course as will Oscar's team who will join Oscar at some stage.
There's a lot going on behind the scenes and all will be revealed I'm sure when it's all done and dusted. UTA
So he hasn't spoken to the Albion. Maybe his agent has though! Stay calm everyone - no need to panic. As regards NJ this also will be sorted out in due course as will Oscar's team who will join Oscar at some stage. There's a lot going on behind the scenes and all will be revealed I'm sure when it's all done and dusted. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 5

12:14pm Mon 19 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
It seems most available managers are being linked to the Norwich job at the moment probably because of the parachute money they will have more to spend. It looks like Malcky Mac is favourite to go there now, but once that job is filled then perhaps the other available managers will focus their attention on other vacancies like the Albion job. Even so I'd hope we are being more proactive than the reports suggest and try to get Sherwood on board, or Hughton, good managers aren't unemployed for long and if there really has been no contact then it's very disappointing indeed. This Clement from Real Madrid may be good but he doesn't know the championship from experience and must be a bit of a gamble, otherwise what sort of manager are we going to end up with? I would have pushed the boat out a bit to get Mackay, Sherwood or Hughton in and not hung around while other clubs step in. It seems to take an eternity for anything to get done and we'll be at the back of the que if we don't pull our socks up.
What does Sherwood know of the Championship? If it bars Clement then it should bar TS as well.
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: It seems most available managers are being linked to the Norwich job at the moment probably because of the parachute money they will have more to spend. It looks like Malcky Mac is favourite to go there now, but once that job is filled then perhaps the other available managers will focus their attention on other vacancies like the Albion job. Even so I'd hope we are being more proactive than the reports suggest and try to get Sherwood on board, or Hughton, good managers aren't unemployed for long and if there really has been no contact then it's very disappointing indeed. This Clement from Real Madrid may be good but he doesn't know the championship from experience and must be a bit of a gamble, otherwise what sort of manager are we going to end up with? I would have pushed the boat out a bit to get Mackay, Sherwood or Hughton in and not hung around while other clubs step in. It seems to take an eternity for anything to get done and we'll be at the back of the que if we don't pull our socks up.[/p][/quote]What does Sherwood know of the Championship? If it bars Clement then it should bar TS as well. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 5

12:21pm Mon 19 May 14

pjwilk says...

Brian McDermott is the man for us he will be out of Leeds shortly ,he likes attacking football.
Brian McDermott is the man for us he will be out of Leeds shortly ,he likes attacking football. pjwilk
  • Score: -23

12:23pm Mon 19 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

What Sherwood doesn't say is that he has applied for the job. Bloom told of much interest from many quality applicants, but we don't know if Sherwood even wants it.
Is Bloom offering the job in certain quarters or are people applying and Bloom is sifting thru the list, there is a big difference. If Sherwood hasn't applied, then I wouldn't approach him if I were Bloom. An application shows a desire to come, an invitation for talks, extended by the club, weakens our hand. If you apply to work for me I offer you what I think is right but if I chase after you, then you can dictate the terms upon which you would accept the job.
What Sherwood doesn't say is that he has applied for the job. Bloom told of much interest from many quality applicants, but we don't know if Sherwood even wants it. Is Bloom offering the job in certain quarters or are people applying and Bloom is sifting thru the list, there is a big difference. If Sherwood hasn't applied, then I wouldn't approach him if I were Bloom. An application shows a desire to come, an invitation for talks, extended by the club, weakens our hand. If you apply to work for me I offer you what I think is right but if I chase after you, then you can dictate the terms upon which you would accept the job. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 10

12:29pm Mon 19 May 14

kwaidam says...

anyone but nathan jones.
anyone but nathan jones. kwaidam
  • Score: 11

12:35pm Mon 19 May 14

jockithenoo says...

I thought the argus posted that we would hear from T B last week ?????
Whoever comes needs to be in place for the pre season so he can aquatint himself with the squad.
UTA
I thought the argus posted that we would hear from T B last week ????? Whoever comes needs to be in place for the pre season so he can aquatint himself with the squad. UTA jockithenoo
  • Score: 6

12:44pm Mon 19 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Isn't it obvious. When two strong minded men walked out/one pushed out - it's clear that they are not looking for that type of manager but one who is prepared to take on working for a Head of Football who is unlikely to have the level of experience in any areas of the game as the manager.

Another point is that it appears the new man will have to accept Nathan Jones as his assistant. Would a really experienced manager be willing to do this. No sleight on Nathan or David Burke - just stating the obvious with really experienced managers.

So to me it looks an odds on cert that Paul Clement is their preferred choice. Fits their bill perfectly. Desperate and hungry to try his hand in management for the first time and more likely to co-operate with whatever happens above him - for a while anyway.

Champions League Final only a few days away now so I guess we'll wait till then to hear some news. He has worked with a very class manager in Ancellotti so that's a big plus. Let's see - fascinating to observe the 'play'!

One things for sure - it'll all turn out the way it's meant to for everyone's best interests so that all can learn whatever it is they're here to learn.

Whoever it is. We will still be there next season come rain or shine.
The Head of Football Operations is a guy who has extensive experience in that particular facet of running a football club. Far more so than OG did. He was also a decent non-league player if memory serves, so that is all neither here nor there.

But the main point is, why do you think the new man having to accept Nathan Jones is a definite? If a new man wanted to bring in his own assistant then Jones will be moved on with some kind of compensation package, but until that time what is the point in getting rid of him? The club are keeping their options open, and that must be the right thing to do.
Agree EPA. OG resigned and so NJ is unaffected by OG's departure, even if he was integral to his arrival. The club could sack him, but, as you say, what's the point? Until such time as a new man makes his decision on the back room, they keep an extra football head on the payroll. It's no indication of longevity, just common sense.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: Isn't it obvious. When two strong minded men walked out/one pushed out - it's clear that they are not looking for that type of manager but one who is prepared to take on working for a Head of Football who is unlikely to have the level of experience in any areas of the game as the manager. Another point is that it appears the new man will have to accept Nathan Jones as his assistant. Would a really experienced manager be willing to do this. No sleight on Nathan or David Burke - just stating the obvious with really experienced managers. So to me it looks an odds on cert that Paul Clement is their preferred choice. Fits their bill perfectly. Desperate and hungry to try his hand in management for the first time and more likely to co-operate with whatever happens above him - for a while anyway. Champions League Final only a few days away now so I guess we'll wait till then to hear some news. He has worked with a very class manager in Ancellotti so that's a big plus. Let's see - fascinating to observe the 'play'! One things for sure - it'll all turn out the way it's meant to for everyone's best interests so that all can learn whatever it is they're here to learn. Whoever it is. We will still be there next season come rain or shine.[/p][/quote]The Head of Football Operations is a guy who has extensive experience in that particular facet of running a football club. Far more so than OG did. He was also a decent non-league player if memory serves, so that is all neither here nor there. But the main point is, why do you think the new man having to accept Nathan Jones is a definite? If a new man wanted to bring in his own assistant then Jones will be moved on with some kind of compensation package, but until that time what is the point in getting rid of him? The club are keeping their options open, and that must be the right thing to do.[/p][/quote]Agree EPA. OG resigned and so NJ is unaffected by OG's departure, even if he was integral to his arrival. The club could sack him, but, as you say, what's the point? Until such time as a new man makes his decision on the back room, they keep an extra football head on the payroll. It's no indication of longevity, just common sense. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

12:44pm Mon 19 May 14

hannover seagull says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Some people on here need to calm down and be patient about who will become our next manager some off the posts are ridiculous, Tony Bloom needs to get this right, or we will be having the same conversation in twelve months time, Oscar only went last week same with Sherwood, whoever we appoint will get a small budget like it or not that's FACT, if someone like Sherwood or anyone else being linked can't work on a small budget then they won't be offered the job at Brighton, they might get 5million tops for players other than that it will be players out off contracts on a free or players in on loan, give Bloom time to get us the right man for the long haul not someone who will use us as a stepping stone for a bigger job, appointing the wrong guy will set us back at least five years, right guy might get us were we want to be in 2-3 years, be patient boys
Up the Albion!!!!
Absolutely right
The important thing is that the manager has to be right for the club and vice verse
Trying to match all the demands,expectations and terms between the two sides will naturally take time.
The other thing is we are not in a shotgun wedding situation where we find ourselves managerless during the season, we can take the negotiations steadily along and find the right man/errm person as virtually nothing will be happening in the transfer market until the hols are over and pre-seson does not resume until late summer
I trust TB to do us proud
UTA.....
It is also ridiculous to expect the club to give us a blow by blow account of who they are talking to
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Some people on here need to calm down and be patient about who will become our next manager some off the posts are ridiculous, Tony Bloom needs to get this right, or we will be having the same conversation in twelve months time, Oscar only went last week same with Sherwood, whoever we appoint will get a small budget like it or not that's FACT, if someone like Sherwood or anyone else being linked can't work on a small budget then they won't be offered the job at Brighton, they might get 5million tops for players other than that it will be players out off contracts on a free or players in on loan, give Bloom time to get us the right man for the long haul not someone who will use us as a stepping stone for a bigger job, appointing the wrong guy will set us back at least five years, right guy might get us were we want to be in 2-3 years, be patient boys Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]Absolutely right The important thing is that the manager has to be right for the club and vice verse Trying to match all the demands,expectations and terms between the two sides will naturally take time. The other thing is we are not in a shotgun wedding situation where we find ourselves managerless during the season, we can take the negotiations steadily along and find the right man/errm person as virtually nothing will be happening in the transfer market until the hols are over and pre-seson does not resume until late summer I trust TB to do us proud UTA..... It is also ridiculous to expect the club to give us a blow by blow account of who they are talking to hannover seagull
  • Score: 2

12:50pm Mon 19 May 14

ballantrrae says...

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Ok get the thumbs down ready!!
This is if what he has stated is ridiculous, if he has not spoken to the club or even if he is in the frame actually with TB then are we looking at another week maybe two before the club appoint a new manager.
I got thumbs down in the last article for stating the club is telling us nothing solid. Many have said on here before we are the backbone of the club without us there would be no club I also agree that when it comes to maybe signing a player it is kept close to the chest but this is a manager we are looking for so why can the club give us some news on how things are progressing or not if that is the case, stating "we have many high profile people asking about the position" is really not telling us a lot is it?
Whilst it is frustrating for us fans Rhodes Seagull not to know who TB is considering as our new Manager I do understand why the club want to 'keep discussions under wraps'.
Firstly looking at it from the prospective Managers perspective they might not want their name released particularly if they don't land the job.
Secondly BHA would not want to be seen to have offered the position to one Manager and then been turned down and then say offer it to a second who then perhaps also turns us down before say finally being accepted by the third candidate. It would send out the wrong signal to everybody especially to players we might want to sign. Furthermore it effectively undermines the authority of whoever is actually appointed. I think TB is in fact still drawing up a short list.
Interesting to note that in response to enquiries by the Argus that both Mackay's and Zola's agents have distanced their clients from the position.
No such negative response is reported from either Sherwood or Clement. All Sherwood is saying is that he hasn't spoken to BHA or been offered the job. Importantly he hasn't said he wouldn't be interested. In Clement's case Real Madrid are gearing up for Saturday's Champions League final and therefore it is unlikely he would want to be approached until after that (of course his agent might have been sounded out).
I continue to think people like Steve Clarke, Karl Robinson, Di Matteo or a recently retired player like Neville (with an experienced No 2) continue to be worth considering. Whoever it is I am sure TB will (a) ensure that their English is good (if they are foreign) and (b) try to assess if they are going to be relatively easy to get on with unlike the reserved Oscar. That does not mean to say that they are in any way a 'yes' man but more they are easy to communicate with.
Actually it's not just the appointment of the new Manager that is important but the whole of the team he wants to bring in.. Furthermore TB is going to have to ensure (as far as it is practical to do so) that there will be a smooth working relationship between the new Manager and DB our Head of Football as a result of the 'problems' Oscar felt he was having on the recruitment side.. It should of course be recognised and agreed that it is the new Manager who drives player recruitment within the budget and the HOF who should help him to achieve the agreed signing of players needed.
I don't think the interview process will start for a few days yet (especially
given Clement's situation) but would hope that an appointment is made by the end of the month. This would give TB plenty of time to consider and research the candidates but at the same time get someone in sooner rather than later to crack on with the recruiting of new players We all know that there is a considerable amount of restructuring of the squad required so the new Manager will need time to assess exactly what should be done.. If he joins at the end of May he will only have a month left before pre-season training begins.
So important decisions are needed over the next 12 days or so and if we the fans are (frustratingly) left in the dark so be it. However it is important that the right man is brought in for the long term if we are to achieve our dream of reaching the PL or at least to be given the best possible chance of reaching it. UTA.
[quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: Ok get the thumbs down ready!! This is if what he has stated is ridiculous, if he has not spoken to the club or even if he is in the frame actually with TB then are we looking at another week maybe two before the club appoint a new manager. I got thumbs down in the last article for stating the club is telling us nothing solid. Many have said on here before we are the backbone of the club without us there would be no club I also agree that when it comes to maybe signing a player it is kept close to the chest but this is a manager we are looking for so why can the club give us some news on how things are progressing or not if that is the case, stating "we have many high profile people asking about the position" is really not telling us a lot is it?[/p][/quote]Whilst it is frustrating for us fans Rhodes Seagull not to know who TB is considering as our new Manager I do understand why the club want to 'keep discussions under wraps'. Firstly looking at it from the prospective Managers perspective they might not want their name released particularly if they don't land the job. Secondly BHA would not want to be seen to have offered the position to one Manager and then been turned down and then say offer it to a second who then perhaps also turns us down before say finally being accepted by the third candidate. It would send out the wrong signal to everybody especially to players we might want to sign. Furthermore it effectively undermines the authority of whoever is actually appointed. I think TB is in fact still drawing up a short list. Interesting to note that in response to enquiries by the Argus that both Mackay's and Zola's agents have distanced their clients from the position. No such negative response is reported from either Sherwood or Clement. All Sherwood is saying is that he hasn't spoken to BHA or been offered the job. Importantly he hasn't said he wouldn't be interested. In Clement's case Real Madrid are gearing up for Saturday's Champions League final and therefore it is unlikely he would want to be approached until after that (of course his agent might have been sounded out). I continue to think people like Steve Clarke, Karl Robinson, Di Matteo or a recently retired player like Neville (with an experienced No 2) continue to be worth considering. Whoever it is I am sure TB will (a) ensure that their English is good (if they are foreign) and (b) try to assess if they are going to be relatively easy to get on with unlike the reserved Oscar. That does not mean to say that they are in any way a 'yes' man but more they are easy to communicate with. Actually it's not just the appointment of the new Manager that is important but the whole of the team he wants to bring in.. Furthermore TB is going to have to ensure (as far as it is practical to do so) that there will be a smooth working relationship between the new Manager and DB our Head of Football as a result of the 'problems' Oscar felt he was having on the recruitment side.. It should of course be recognised and agreed that it is the new Manager who drives player recruitment within the budget and the HOF who should help him to achieve the agreed signing of players needed. I don't think the interview process will start for a few days yet (especially given Clement's situation) but would hope that an appointment is made by the end of the month. This would give TB plenty of time to consider and research the candidates but at the same time get someone in sooner rather than later to crack on with the recruiting of new players We all know that there is a considerable amount of restructuring of the squad required so the new Manager will need time to assess exactly what should be done.. If he joins at the end of May he will only have a month left before pre-season training begins. So important decisions are needed over the next 12 days or so and if we the fans are (frustratingly) left in the dark so be it. However it is important that the right man is brought in for the long term if we are to achieve our dream of reaching the PL or at least to be given the best possible chance of reaching it. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 4

12:59pm Mon 19 May 14

farside says...

jockithenoo wrote:
I thought the argus posted that we would hear from T B last week ?????
Whoever comes needs to be in place for the pre season so he can aquatint himself with the squad.
UTA
Tony Bloom gave a lengthy and detailed interview to the BBC last week.In part he intimated concern at the Argus' negative reporting of the club. The Argus have chosen not to quote any of this in depth interview in any of their reports depriving their readers of the club chairman's insights. It speaks a great deal of relations between the two and suggests that any "news" on this site will continue to be second hanf at best.
[quote][p][bold]jockithenoo[/bold] wrote: I thought the argus posted that we would hear from T B last week ????? Whoever comes needs to be in place for the pre season so he can aquatint himself with the squad. UTA[/p][/quote]Tony Bloom gave a lengthy and detailed interview to the BBC last week.In part he intimated concern at the Argus' negative reporting of the club. The Argus have chosen not to quote any of this in depth interview in any of their reports depriving their readers of the club chairman's insights. It speaks a great deal of relations between the two and suggests that any "news" on this site will continue to be second hanf at best. farside
  • Score: 3

1:07pm Mon 19 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Hi Ballantrrae.
Be it a player or a manager I would hope that we buy or appoint people that really want to be part of our club. Ward is on his knees begging to be offered a contract by Brighton, and this a guy who had a great year and probably is interesting other clubs, it's not like he is going to be out of work but he wants to wear the stripes that badly.
Who ever we appoint as manager should have the same desire as Ward, as I said in a previous comment, if Sherwood has not applied, then he should not even be considered, no one should without first applying.
Oscar is out of work and has let his desire be known, he wants the job at Southampton should it become available, from whom have we heard the sme about our vacancy, all we know is that two possibles are not interested.
I completely agree with you about why the club is staying quiet, but I don't see why, 'all,' of the applicants are, not one single candidate, good or bad, has let it be known that he wants to join us, to me that's a tad odd.
Hi Ballantrrae. Be it a player or a manager I would hope that we buy or appoint people that really want to be part of our club. Ward is on his knees begging to be offered a contract by Brighton, and this a guy who had a great year and probably is interesting other clubs, it's not like he is going to be out of work but he wants to wear the stripes that badly. Who ever we appoint as manager should have the same desire as Ward, as I said in a previous comment, if Sherwood has not applied, then he should not even be considered, no one should without first applying. Oscar is out of work and has let his desire be known, he wants the job at Southampton should it become available, from whom have we heard the sme about our vacancy, all we know is that two possibles are not interested. I completely agree with you about why the club is staying quiet, but I don't see why, 'all,' of the applicants are, not one single candidate, good or bad, has let it be known that he wants to join us, to me that's a tad odd. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

1:19pm Mon 19 May 14

fratsomrover says...

I go away for 10 days and come back to find we have no manager, no play-off date at Wembley and half of the squad have been released.What a difference to before I left.
I really hope a new manager is appointed soon. I wouldn't mind Clement but would someone really move from Real Madrid to Brighton ? Also i think the language barrier with Oscar was an issue at times and this may be a consideration when considering another overseas appointment.
For a home grown manager, I wouldn't mind Steve Clark or Phil Nevill but I think it would be beneficial to have someone with a knowledge of what's required.
Finally, does anyone know the attendance figure for our two matches v Derby. I noticed the gates at Wigan and QPR were a pathetic 14,000 & 16,000. Neither deserve to get promoted with that support. Did we break 30,000 at The Amex.? I'm sure there was probably 30,000 + at Derby.
I'd be interested to know what it was.
I go away for 10 days and come back to find we have no manager, no play-off date at Wembley and half of the squad have been released.What a difference to before I left. I really hope a new manager is appointed soon. I wouldn't mind Clement but would someone really move from Real Madrid to Brighton ? Also i think the language barrier with Oscar was an issue at times and this may be a consideration when considering another overseas appointment. For a home grown manager, I wouldn't mind Steve Clark or Phil Nevill but I think it would be beneficial to have someone with a knowledge of what's required. Finally, does anyone know the attendance figure for our two matches v Derby. I noticed the gates at Wigan and QPR were a pathetic 14,000 & 16,000. Neither deserve to get promoted with that support. Did we break 30,000 at The Amex.? I'm sure there was probably 30,000 + at Derby. I'd be interested to know what it was. fratsomrover
  • Score: 1

1:24pm Mon 19 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

fratsomrover wrote:
I go away for 10 days and come back to find we have no manager, no play-off date at Wembley and half of the squad have been released.What a difference to before I left.
I really hope a new manager is appointed soon. I wouldn't mind Clement but would someone really move from Real Madrid to Brighton ? Also i think the language barrier with Oscar was an issue at times and this may be a consideration when considering another overseas appointment.
For a home grown manager, I wouldn't mind Steve Clark or Phil Nevill but I think it would be beneficial to have someone with a knowledge of what's required.
Finally, does anyone know the attendance figure for our two matches v Derby. I noticed the gates at Wigan and QPR were a pathetic 14,000 & 16,000. Neither deserve to get promoted with that support. Did we break 30,000 at The Amex.? I'm sure there was probably 30,000 + at Derby.
I'd be interested to know what it was.
No problem with Clement speaking english, he was born in England.
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: I go away for 10 days and come back to find we have no manager, no play-off date at Wembley and half of the squad have been released.What a difference to before I left. I really hope a new manager is appointed soon. I wouldn't mind Clement but would someone really move from Real Madrid to Brighton ? Also i think the language barrier with Oscar was an issue at times and this may be a consideration when considering another overseas appointment. For a home grown manager, I wouldn't mind Steve Clark or Phil Nevill but I think it would be beneficial to have someone with a knowledge of what's required. Finally, does anyone know the attendance figure for our two matches v Derby. I noticed the gates at Wigan and QPR were a pathetic 14,000 & 16,000. Neither deserve to get promoted with that support. Did we break 30,000 at The Amex.? I'm sure there was probably 30,000 + at Derby. I'd be interested to know what it was.[/p][/quote]No problem with Clement speaking english, he was born in England. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

1:25pm Mon 19 May 14

tinker111 says...

pte wrote:
TS definitely fancies it but on his terms. When he talks about honest discussions with the chairman he can only be alluding to BHA. I don't think they are in discussions at the moment because it would be impolite to talk about honest discussions while discussions are taking place.

My guess is TS is giving TB the wink that he could be interested if approached but the terms must be right.

This might be all too much for our Tony
M M & now TS on the outside do wonder what we will get from TB another Rookie ???? in the meantime team building must be on back burner or is to be like last season COACH GET ON WITH WHAT YOU ARE GIVEN????
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: TS definitely fancies it but on his terms. When he talks about honest discussions with the chairman he can only be alluding to BHA. I don't think they are in discussions at the moment because it would be impolite to talk about honest discussions while discussions are taking place. My guess is TS is giving TB the wink that he could be interested if approached but the terms must be right. This might be all too much for our Tony[/p][/quote]M M & now TS on the outside do wonder what we will get from TB another Rookie ???? in the meantime team building must be on back burner or is to be like last season COACH GET ON WITH WHAT YOU ARE GIVEN???? tinker111
  • Score: -8

1:29pm Mon 19 May 14

JeffLomer says...

hannover seagull wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Some people on here need to calm down and be patient about who will become our next manager some off the posts are ridiculous, Tony Bloom needs to get this right, or we will be having the same conversation in twelve months time, Oscar only went last week same with Sherwood, whoever we appoint will get a small budget like it or not that's FACT, if someone like Sherwood or anyone else being linked can't work on a small budget then they won't be offered the job at Brighton, they might get 5million tops for players other than that it will be players out off contracts on a free or players in on loan, give Bloom time to get us the right man for the long haul not someone who will use us as a stepping stone for a bigger job, appointing the wrong guy will set us back at least five years, right guy might get us were we want to be in 2-3 years, be patient boys
Up the Albion!!!!
Absolutely right
The important thing is that the manager has to be right for the club and vice verse
Trying to match all the demands,expectations and terms between the two sides will naturally take time.
The other thing is we are not in a shotgun wedding situation where we find ourselves managerless during the season, we can take the negotiations steadily along and find the right man/errm person as virtually nothing will be happening in the transfer market until the hols are over and pre-seson does not resume until late summer
I trust TB to do us proud
UTA.....
It is also ridiculous to expect the club to give us a blow by blow account of who they are talking to
Correct Hanover,

This appointment will probably be done in in three to four weeks at the earliest, as long as the right guy is in before pre season who cares as long as we get it right, if one off my employees left I couldn't replace anyone straight away takes time minimum three weeks,

Were talking about the future off our club here get it wrong we prob can kiss any chance off being in the premiership goodbye for years, I trust them to find the right man, prob ain't either the two that are being mentioned!!
Up the Albion!!!!
[quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Some people on here need to calm down and be patient about who will become our next manager some off the posts are ridiculous, Tony Bloom needs to get this right, or we will be having the same conversation in twelve months time, Oscar only went last week same with Sherwood, whoever we appoint will get a small budget like it or not that's FACT, if someone like Sherwood or anyone else being linked can't work on a small budget then they won't be offered the job at Brighton, they might get 5million tops for players other than that it will be players out off contracts on a free or players in on loan, give Bloom time to get us the right man for the long haul not someone who will use us as a stepping stone for a bigger job, appointing the wrong guy will set us back at least five years, right guy might get us were we want to be in 2-3 years, be patient boys Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]Absolutely right The important thing is that the manager has to be right for the club and vice verse Trying to match all the demands,expectations and terms between the two sides will naturally take time. The other thing is we are not in a shotgun wedding situation where we find ourselves managerless during the season, we can take the negotiations steadily along and find the right man/errm person as virtually nothing will be happening in the transfer market until the hols are over and pre-seson does not resume until late summer I trust TB to do us proud UTA..... It is also ridiculous to expect the club to give us a blow by blow account of who they are talking to[/p][/quote]Correct Hanover, This appointment will probably be done in in three to four weeks at the earliest, as long as the right guy is in before pre season who cares as long as we get it right, if one off my employees left I couldn't replace anyone straight away takes time minimum three weeks, Were talking about the future off our club here get it wrong we prob can kiss any chance off being in the premiership goodbye for years, I trust them to find the right man, prob ain't either the two that are being mentioned!! Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -3

1:30pm Mon 19 May 14

tinker111 says...

kwaidam wrote:
anyone but nathan jones.
GOD FORBID wouldn't know a good player if he feel over one Look at his recommendation of OBOKO ???
[quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: anyone but nathan jones.[/p][/quote]GOD FORBID wouldn't know a good player if he feel over one Look at his recommendation of OBOKO ??? tinker111
  • Score: 1

1:35pm Mon 19 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

tinker111 wrote:
pte wrote:
TS definitely fancies it but on his terms. When he talks about honest discussions with the chairman he can only be alluding to BHA. I don't think they are in discussions at the moment because it would be impolite to talk about honest discussions while discussions are taking place.

My guess is TS is giving TB the wink that he could be interested if approached but the terms must be right.

This might be all too much for our Tony
M M & now TS on the outside do wonder what we will get from TB another Rookie ???? in the meantime team building must be on back burner or is to be like last season COACH GET ON WITH WHAT YOU ARE GIVEN????
My guess is that the club, thru differing sources, are tracking maybe 20 to 30 players, some will drop off the radar and others will be added. With all clubs looking to do business, either in or out, I doubt we would be signing too many players today even if we had a manager.
Leicester might be looking to take Upson from us, so that would change our priorities, a huge offer could come in for Ulloa, that too could change things, there are far too many variables to consider before we start to buy or borrow.
[quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: TS definitely fancies it but on his terms. When he talks about honest discussions with the chairman he can only be alluding to BHA. I don't think they are in discussions at the moment because it would be impolite to talk about honest discussions while discussions are taking place. My guess is TS is giving TB the wink that he could be interested if approached but the terms must be right. This might be all too much for our Tony[/p][/quote]M M & now TS on the outside do wonder what we will get from TB another Rookie ???? in the meantime team building must be on back burner or is to be like last season COACH GET ON WITH WHAT YOU ARE GIVEN????[/p][/quote]My guess is that the club, thru differing sources, are tracking maybe 20 to 30 players, some will drop off the radar and others will be added. With all clubs looking to do business, either in or out, I doubt we would be signing too many players today even if we had a manager. Leicester might be looking to take Upson from us, so that would change our priorities, a huge offer could come in for Ulloa, that too could change things, there are far too many variables to consider before we start to buy or borrow. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

1:45pm Mon 19 May 14

JeffLomer says...

fratsomrover wrote:
I go away for 10 days and come back to find we have no manager, no play-off date at Wembley and half of the squad have been released.What a difference to before I left.
I really hope a new manager is appointed soon. I wouldn't mind Clement but would someone really move from Real Madrid to Brighton ? Also i think the language barrier with Oscar was an issue at times and this may be a consideration when considering another overseas appointment.
For a home grown manager, I wouldn't mind Steve Clark or Phil Nevill but I think it would be beneficial to have someone with a knowledge of what's required.
Finally, does anyone know the attendance figure for our two matches v Derby. I noticed the gates at Wigan and QPR were a pathetic 14,000 & 16,000. Neither deserve to get promoted with that support. Did we break 30,000 at The Amex.? I'm sure there was probably 30,000 + at Derby.
I'd be interested to know what it was.
Don't they have tvs at butlins, 27,000 at Amex 30,000 at Derby beaten by a better team lightning quick on the break,
Up the Albion!!!!
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: I go away for 10 days and come back to find we have no manager, no play-off date at Wembley and half of the squad have been released.What a difference to before I left. I really hope a new manager is appointed soon. I wouldn't mind Clement but would someone really move from Real Madrid to Brighton ? Also i think the language barrier with Oscar was an issue at times and this may be a consideration when considering another overseas appointment. For a home grown manager, I wouldn't mind Steve Clark or Phil Nevill but I think it would be beneficial to have someone with a knowledge of what's required. Finally, does anyone know the attendance figure for our two matches v Derby. I noticed the gates at Wigan and QPR were a pathetic 14,000 & 16,000. Neither deserve to get promoted with that support. Did we break 30,000 at The Amex.? I'm sure there was probably 30,000 + at Derby. I'd be interested to know what it was.[/p][/quote]Don't they have tvs at butlins, 27,000 at Amex 30,000 at Derby beaten by a better team lightning quick on the break, Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 5

1:46pm Mon 19 May 14

JeffLomer says...

fratsomrover wrote:
I go away for 10 days and come back to find we have no manager, no play-off date at Wembley and half of the squad have been released.What a difference to before I left.
I really hope a new manager is appointed soon. I wouldn't mind Clement but would someone really move from Real Madrid to Brighton ? Also i think the language barrier with Oscar was an issue at times and this may be a consideration when considering another overseas appointment.
For a home grown manager, I wouldn't mind Steve Clark or Phil Nevill but I think it would be beneficial to have someone with a knowledge of what's required.
Finally, does anyone know the attendance figure for our two matches v Derby. I noticed the gates at Wigan and QPR were a pathetic 14,000 & 16,000. Neither deserve to get promoted with that support. Did we break 30,000 at The Amex.? I'm sure there was probably 30,000 + at Derby.
I'd be interested to know what it was.
Don't they have tvs at butlins, 27,000 at Amex 30,000 at Derby beaten by a better team lightning quick on the break,
Up the Albion!!!!
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: I go away for 10 days and come back to find we have no manager, no play-off date at Wembley and half of the squad have been released.What a difference to before I left. I really hope a new manager is appointed soon. I wouldn't mind Clement but would someone really move from Real Madrid to Brighton ? Also i think the language barrier with Oscar was an issue at times and this may be a consideration when considering another overseas appointment. For a home grown manager, I wouldn't mind Steve Clark or Phil Nevill but I think it would be beneficial to have someone with a knowledge of what's required. Finally, does anyone know the attendance figure for our two matches v Derby. I noticed the gates at Wigan and QPR were a pathetic 14,000 & 16,000. Neither deserve to get promoted with that support. Did we break 30,000 at The Amex.? I'm sure there was probably 30,000 + at Derby. I'd be interested to know what it was.[/p][/quote]Don't they have tvs at butlins, 27,000 at Amex 30,000 at Derby beaten by a better team lightning quick on the break, Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 4

1:57pm Mon 19 May 14

dave from bexill says...

fratsomrover wrote:
I go away for 10 days and come back to find we have no manager, no play-off date at Wembley and half of the squad have been released.What a difference to before I left.
I really hope a new manager is appointed soon. I wouldn't mind Clement but would someone really move from Real Madrid to Brighton ? Also i think the language barrier with Oscar was an issue at times and this may be a consideration when considering another overseas appointment.
For a home grown manager, I wouldn't mind Steve Clark or Phil Nevill but I think it would be beneficial to have someone with a knowledge of what's required.
Finally, does anyone know the attendance figure for our two matches v Derby. I noticed the gates at Wigan and QPR were a pathetic 14,000 & 16,000. Neither deserve to get promoted with that support. Did we break 30,000 at The Amex.? I'm sure there was probably 30,000 + at Derby.
I'd be interested to know what it was.
Why does the size of gates necessarily affect a clubs ability to play in the premier league. Both teams have survived previously in the top division. Size isn't everything, is it fratsomrover.
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: I go away for 10 days and come back to find we have no manager, no play-off date at Wembley and half of the squad have been released.What a difference to before I left. I really hope a new manager is appointed soon. I wouldn't mind Clement but would someone really move from Real Madrid to Brighton ? Also i think the language barrier with Oscar was an issue at times and this may be a consideration when considering another overseas appointment. For a home grown manager, I wouldn't mind Steve Clark or Phil Nevill but I think it would be beneficial to have someone with a knowledge of what's required. Finally, does anyone know the attendance figure for our two matches v Derby. I noticed the gates at Wigan and QPR were a pathetic 14,000 & 16,000. Neither deserve to get promoted with that support. Did we break 30,000 at The Amex.? I'm sure there was probably 30,000 + at Derby. I'd be interested to know what it was.[/p][/quote]Why does the size of gates necessarily affect a clubs ability to play in the premier league. Both teams have survived previously in the top division. Size isn't everything, is it fratsomrover. dave from bexill
  • Score: 1

1:57pm Mon 19 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
It seems most available managers are being linked to the Norwich job at the moment probably because of the parachute money they will have more to spend. It looks like Malcky Mac is favourite to go there now, but once that job is filled then perhaps the other available managers will focus their attention on other vacancies like the Albion job. Even so I'd hope we are being more proactive than the reports suggest and try to get Sherwood on board, or Hughton, good managers aren't unemployed for long and if there really has been no contact then it's very disappointing indeed. This Clement from Real Madrid may be good but he doesn't know the championship from experience and must be a bit of a gamble, otherwise what sort of manager are we going to end up with? I would have pushed the boat out a bit to get Mackay, Sherwood or Hughton in and not hung around while other clubs step in. It seems to take an eternity for anything to get done and we'll be at the back of the que if we don't pull our socks up.
What does Sherwood know of the Championship? If it bars Clement then it should bar TS as well.
Ok, well, Sherwood is based in the country, knows the English game very well having played at both premier AND championship level. He will have dealt with players going out on loan at clubs in the championship as well so will have attended championship games many times. So all in all I'd say TS knows quite a substantial amount of the championship! Mr Clement has probably done none of these things, not to say he won't do a good job at all but he won't have had Sherwoods experience. Will that do?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: It seems most available managers are being linked to the Norwich job at the moment probably because of the parachute money they will have more to spend. It looks like Malcky Mac is favourite to go there now, but once that job is filled then perhaps the other available managers will focus their attention on other vacancies like the Albion job. Even so I'd hope we are being more proactive than the reports suggest and try to get Sherwood on board, or Hughton, good managers aren't unemployed for long and if there really has been no contact then it's very disappointing indeed. This Clement from Real Madrid may be good but he doesn't know the championship from experience and must be a bit of a gamble, otherwise what sort of manager are we going to end up with? I would have pushed the boat out a bit to get Mackay, Sherwood or Hughton in and not hung around while other clubs step in. It seems to take an eternity for anything to get done and we'll be at the back of the que if we don't pull our socks up.[/p][/quote]What does Sherwood know of the Championship? If it bars Clement then it should bar TS as well.[/p][/quote]Ok, well, Sherwood is based in the country, knows the English game very well having played at both premier AND championship level. He will have dealt with players going out on loan at clubs in the championship as well so will have attended championship games many times. So all in all I'd say TS knows quite a substantial amount of the championship! Mr Clement has probably done none of these things, not to say he won't do a good job at all but he won't have had Sherwoods experience. Will that do? East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 0

2:27pm Mon 19 May 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
It seems most available managers are being linked to the Norwich job at the moment probably because of the parachute money they will have more to spend. It looks like Malcky Mac is favourite to go there now, but once that job is filled then perhaps the other available managers will focus their attention on other vacancies like the Albion job. Even so I'd hope we are being more proactive than the reports suggest and try to get Sherwood on board, or Hughton, good managers aren't unemployed for long and if there really has been no contact then it's very disappointing indeed. This Clement from Real Madrid may be good but he doesn't know the championship from experience and must be a bit of a gamble, otherwise what sort of manager are we going to end up with? I would have pushed the boat out a bit to get Mackay, Sherwood or Hughton in and not hung around while other clubs step in. It seems to take an eternity for anything to get done and we'll be at the back of the que if we don't pull our socks up.
What does Sherwood know of the Championship? If it bars Clement then it should bar TS as well.
Ok, well, Sherwood is based in the country, knows the English game very well having played at both premier AND championship level. He will have dealt with players going out on loan at clubs in the championship as well so will have attended championship games many times. So all in all I'd say TS knows quite a substantial amount of the championship! Mr Clement has probably done none of these things, not to say he won't do a good job at all but he won't have had Sherwoods experience. Will that do?
Yes it will-very good points!
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: It seems most available managers are being linked to the Norwich job at the moment probably because of the parachute money they will have more to spend. It looks like Malcky Mac is favourite to go there now, but once that job is filled then perhaps the other available managers will focus their attention on other vacancies like the Albion job. Even so I'd hope we are being more proactive than the reports suggest and try to get Sherwood on board, or Hughton, good managers aren't unemployed for long and if there really has been no contact then it's very disappointing indeed. This Clement from Real Madrid may be good but he doesn't know the championship from experience and must be a bit of a gamble, otherwise what sort of manager are we going to end up with? I would have pushed the boat out a bit to get Mackay, Sherwood or Hughton in and not hung around while other clubs step in. It seems to take an eternity for anything to get done and we'll be at the back of the que if we don't pull our socks up.[/p][/quote]What does Sherwood know of the Championship? If it bars Clement then it should bar TS as well.[/p][/quote]Ok, well, Sherwood is based in the country, knows the English game very well having played at both premier AND championship level. He will have dealt with players going out on loan at clubs in the championship as well so will have attended championship games many times. So all in all I'd say TS knows quite a substantial amount of the championship! Mr Clement has probably done none of these things, not to say he won't do a good job at all but he won't have had Sherwoods experience. Will that do?[/p][/quote]Yes it will-very good points! SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: -2

2:29pm Mon 19 May 14

ballantrrae says...

fratsomrover wrote:
I go away for 10 days and come back to find we have no manager, no play-off date at Wembley and half of the squad have been released.What a difference to before I left.
I really hope a new manager is appointed soon. I wouldn't mind Clement but would someone really move from Real Madrid to Brighton ? Also i think the language barrier with Oscar was an issue at times and this may be a consideration when considering another overseas appointment.
For a home grown manager, I wouldn't mind Steve Clark or Phil Nevill but I think it would be beneficial to have someone with a knowledge of what's required.
Finally, does anyone know the attendance figure for our two matches v Derby. I noticed the gates at Wigan and QPR were a pathetic 14,000 & 16,000. Neither deserve to get promoted with that support. Did we break 30,000 at The Amex.? I'm sure there was probably 30,000 + at Derby.
I'd be interested to know what it was.
Firstly to answer your question Fratsomrover the attendance at the Amex was 27,118 and at Derby 31,708 including 2,700 Albion fans.
Secondly I have posted earlier on this thread my thoughts about appointing a new Manager but agree that it would be good to have someone appointed sooner rather than later although we clearly want the best person to be brought in. As Vegas says someone who positively wants to join BHA and someone, as Lopez and others have said, who would wish to be Manager for the long term.
Incidentally for those posters who are not aware of it, Paul Clement is English and worked at Chelsea before moving to Paris St Germain with Ancelloti before moving on with him to Real Madrid.. However if Clement or indeed Sherwood were appointed I would be interested in knowing who else they would bring in as their back room team.
Whilst I don't think we need anyone to be appointed in a rush I would be concerned if we didn't have a Manager by the end of May since this might affect our being able to restructure the squad so that it is stronger (and hopefully less injury prone) than the season just ended. Already there is a rumour that Leicester are interested in Upson (does anybody know if he has accepted our offer ?). I notice that Grabban is probably off to Cardiff for a reported £3 million fee.
With one first choice and possibly two GKs needed, hopefully Ward resigned plus at least one CB (two if Upson doesn't accept our offer), 3 possibly 4 midfielders (replacing Andrews, Bridcutt, Lopez and Orlandi) and at least 2 strikers also on the shopping the squad should look very different by August. This is quite a task for the new Manager and his team to achieve in a relatively short space of time. I hope there is sufficient funds available to help them achieve the squad recruitment required.
In terms of who might join Ward resigning would be high on my list of priorities but from our league or lower I thought McCourt (Barnsley)' Ayling (Yeovil FB) and Clayton (Huddersfield) all looked good players - I see we are being linked with Clayton again. Another player who caught my attention was Wilcox (?) the Coventry striker who seemed to be extremely pacey - just what we need.
Much to contemplate both on the question of a new Manager and in terms of acquiring new players - a busy few weeks for the club in prospect. UTA.
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: I go away for 10 days and come back to find we have no manager, no play-off date at Wembley and half of the squad have been released.What a difference to before I left. I really hope a new manager is appointed soon. I wouldn't mind Clement but would someone really move from Real Madrid to Brighton ? Also i think the language barrier with Oscar was an issue at times and this may be a consideration when considering another overseas appointment. For a home grown manager, I wouldn't mind Steve Clark or Phil Nevill but I think it would be beneficial to have someone with a knowledge of what's required. Finally, does anyone know the attendance figure for our two matches v Derby. I noticed the gates at Wigan and QPR were a pathetic 14,000 & 16,000. Neither deserve to get promoted with that support. Did we break 30,000 at The Amex.? I'm sure there was probably 30,000 + at Derby. I'd be interested to know what it was.[/p][/quote]Firstly to answer your question Fratsomrover the attendance at the Amex was 27,118 and at Derby 31,708 including 2,700 Albion fans. Secondly I have posted earlier on this thread my thoughts about appointing a new Manager but agree that it would be good to have someone appointed sooner rather than later although we clearly want the best person to be brought in. As Vegas says someone who positively wants to join BHA and someone, as Lopez and others have said, who would wish to be Manager for the long term. Incidentally for those posters who are not aware of it, Paul Clement is English and worked at Chelsea before moving to Paris St Germain with Ancelloti before moving on with him to Real Madrid.. However if Clement or indeed Sherwood were appointed I would be interested in knowing who else they would bring in as their back room team. Whilst I don't think we need anyone to be appointed in a rush I would be concerned if we didn't have a Manager by the end of May since this might affect our being able to restructure the squad so that it is stronger (and hopefully less injury prone) than the season just ended. Already there is a rumour that Leicester are interested in Upson (does anybody know if he has accepted our offer ?). I notice that Grabban is probably off to Cardiff for a reported £3 million fee. With one first choice and possibly two GKs needed, hopefully Ward resigned plus at least one CB (two if Upson doesn't accept our offer), 3 possibly 4 midfielders (replacing Andrews, Bridcutt, Lopez and Orlandi) and at least 2 strikers also on the shopping the squad should look very different by August. This is quite a task for the new Manager and his team to achieve in a relatively short space of time. I hope there is sufficient funds available to help them achieve the squad recruitment required. In terms of who might join Ward resigning would be high on my list of priorities but from our league or lower I thought McCourt (Barnsley)' Ayling (Yeovil FB) and Clayton (Huddersfield) all looked good players - I see we are being linked with Clayton again. Another player who caught my attention was Wilcox (?) the Coventry striker who seemed to be extremely pacey - just what we need. Much to contemplate both on the question of a new Manager and in terms of acquiring new players - a busy few weeks for the club in prospect. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 2

2:30pm Mon 19 May 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

tinker111 wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
anyone but nathan jones.
GOD FORBID wouldn't know a good player if he feel over one Look at his recommendation of OBOKO ???
Or even FELL over OBIKA!!
[quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: anyone but nathan jones.[/p][/quote]GOD FORBID wouldn't know a good player if he feel over one Look at his recommendation of OBOKO ???[/p][/quote]Or even FELL over OBIKA!! SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 6

2:52pm Mon 19 May 14

pjwilk says...

Carlton Cole released from W.Ham on a free.We should get him,he would get us promoted.
Carlton Cole released from W.Ham on a free.We should get him,he would get us promoted. pjwilk
  • Score: -5

2:53pm Mon 19 May 14

fratsomrover says...

ballantrrae wrote:
fratsomrover wrote:
I go away for 10 days and come back to find we have no manager, no play-off date at Wembley and half of the squad have been released.What a difference to before I left.
I really hope a new manager is appointed soon. I wouldn't mind Clement but would someone really move from Real Madrid to Brighton ? Also i think the language barrier with Oscar was an issue at times and this may be a consideration when considering another overseas appointment.
For a home grown manager, I wouldn't mind Steve Clark or Phil Nevill but I think it would be beneficial to have someone with a knowledge of what's required.
Finally, does anyone know the attendance figure for our two matches v Derby. I noticed the gates at Wigan and QPR were a pathetic 14,000 & 16,000. Neither deserve to get promoted with that support. Did we break 30,000 at The Amex.? I'm sure there was probably 30,000 + at Derby.
I'd be interested to know what it was.
Firstly to answer your question Fratsomrover the attendance at the Amex was 27,118 and at Derby 31,708 including 2,700 Albion fans.
Secondly I have posted earlier on this thread my thoughts about appointing a new Manager but agree that it would be good to have someone appointed sooner rather than later although we clearly want the best person to be brought in. As Vegas says someone who positively wants to join BHA and someone, as Lopez and others have said, who would wish to be Manager for the long term.
Incidentally for those posters who are not aware of it, Paul Clement is English and worked at Chelsea before moving to Paris St Germain with Ancelloti before moving on with him to Real Madrid.. However if Clement or indeed Sherwood were appointed I would be interested in knowing who else they would bring in as their back room team.
Whilst I don't think we need anyone to be appointed in a rush I would be concerned if we didn't have a Manager by the end of May since this might affect our being able to restructure the squad so that it is stronger (and hopefully less injury prone) than the season just ended. Already there is a rumour that Leicester are interested in Upson (does anybody know if he has accepted our offer ?). I notice that Grabban is probably off to Cardiff for a reported £3 million fee.
With one first choice and possibly two GKs needed, hopefully Ward resigned plus at least one CB (two if Upson doesn't accept our offer), 3 possibly 4 midfielders (replacing Andrews, Bridcutt, Lopez and Orlandi) and at least 2 strikers also on the shopping the squad should look very different by August. This is quite a task for the new Manager and his team to achieve in a relatively short space of time. I hope there is sufficient funds available to help them achieve the squad recruitment required.
In terms of who might join Ward resigning would be high on my list of priorities but from our league or lower I thought McCourt (Barnsley)' Ayling (Yeovil FB) and Clayton (Huddersfield) all looked good players - I see we are being linked with Clayton again. Another player who caught my attention was Wilcox (?) the Coventry striker who seemed to be extremely pacey - just what we need.
Much to contemplate both on the question of a new Manager and in terms of acquiring new players - a busy few weeks for the club in prospect. UTA.
Thanks for the information re: the gate Ballantrrae.
I enjoy reading your opinions as they are normally well founded and sensible.
I'm sure we will bolster the squad, but as you say, that is not likely to happen until a new manager is appointed as he'll want a say in who he gets. Let's hope one is appointed soon and that he has the respect and contacts to acquire some reasonable talent, although I'm not sure trawling the lower leagues might best serve our aims.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: I go away for 10 days and come back to find we have no manager, no play-off date at Wembley and half of the squad have been released.What a difference to before I left. I really hope a new manager is appointed soon. I wouldn't mind Clement but would someone really move from Real Madrid to Brighton ? Also i think the language barrier with Oscar was an issue at times and this may be a consideration when considering another overseas appointment. For a home grown manager, I wouldn't mind Steve Clark or Phil Nevill but I think it would be beneficial to have someone with a knowledge of what's required. Finally, does anyone know the attendance figure for our two matches v Derby. I noticed the gates at Wigan and QPR were a pathetic 14,000 & 16,000. Neither deserve to get promoted with that support. Did we break 30,000 at The Amex.? I'm sure there was probably 30,000 + at Derby. I'd be interested to know what it was.[/p][/quote]Firstly to answer your question Fratsomrover the attendance at the Amex was 27,118 and at Derby 31,708 including 2,700 Albion fans. Secondly I have posted earlier on this thread my thoughts about appointing a new Manager but agree that it would be good to have someone appointed sooner rather than later although we clearly want the best person to be brought in. As Vegas says someone who positively wants to join BHA and someone, as Lopez and others have said, who would wish to be Manager for the long term. Incidentally for those posters who are not aware of it, Paul Clement is English and worked at Chelsea before moving to Paris St Germain with Ancelloti before moving on with him to Real Madrid.. However if Clement or indeed Sherwood were appointed I would be interested in knowing who else they would bring in as their back room team. Whilst I don't think we need anyone to be appointed in a rush I would be concerned if we didn't have a Manager by the end of May since this might affect our being able to restructure the squad so that it is stronger (and hopefully less injury prone) than the season just ended. Already there is a rumour that Leicester are interested in Upson (does anybody know if he has accepted our offer ?). I notice that Grabban is probably off to Cardiff for a reported £3 million fee. With one first choice and possibly two GKs needed, hopefully Ward resigned plus at least one CB (two if Upson doesn't accept our offer), 3 possibly 4 midfielders (replacing Andrews, Bridcutt, Lopez and Orlandi) and at least 2 strikers also on the shopping the squad should look very different by August. This is quite a task for the new Manager and his team to achieve in a relatively short space of time. I hope there is sufficient funds available to help them achieve the squad recruitment required. In terms of who might join Ward resigning would be high on my list of priorities but from our league or lower I thought McCourt (Barnsley)' Ayling (Yeovil FB) and Clayton (Huddersfield) all looked good players - I see we are being linked with Clayton again. Another player who caught my attention was Wilcox (?) the Coventry striker who seemed to be extremely pacey - just what we need. Much to contemplate both on the question of a new Manager and in terms of acquiring new players - a busy few weeks for the club in prospect. UTA.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the information re: the gate Ballantrrae. I enjoy reading your opinions as they are normally well founded and sensible. I'm sure we will bolster the squad, but as you say, that is not likely to happen until a new manager is appointed as he'll want a say in who he gets. Let's hope one is appointed soon and that he has the respect and contacts to acquire some reasonable talent, although I'm not sure trawling the lower leagues might best serve our aims. fratsomrover
  • Score: 2

3:03pm Mon 19 May 14

fratsomrover says...

dave from bexill wrote:
fratsomrover wrote:
I go away for 10 days and come back to find we have no manager, no play-off date at Wembley and half of the squad have been released.What a difference to before I left.
I really hope a new manager is appointed soon. I wouldn't mind Clement but would someone really move from Real Madrid to Brighton ? Also i think the language barrier with Oscar was an issue at times and this may be a consideration when considering another overseas appointment.
For a home grown manager, I wouldn't mind Steve Clark or Phil Nevill but I think it would be beneficial to have someone with a knowledge of what's required.
Finally, does anyone know the attendance figure for our two matches v Derby. I noticed the gates at Wigan and QPR were a pathetic 14,000 & 16,000. Neither deserve to get promoted with that support. Did we break 30,000 at The Amex.? I'm sure there was probably 30,000 + at Derby.
I'd be interested to know what it was.
Why does the size of gates necessarily affect a clubs ability to play in the premier league. Both teams have survived previously in the top division. Size isn't everything, is it fratsomrover.
The size of the gate has not traditionally affected a clubs ability to play at the highest level, but with FFP introduction it could well have a bearing in the forthcoming seasons. I think clubs with small gates will find it increasingly harder to stay in the top divisions.
So size may not be everything Dave, but it may increasingly be so in the future.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: I go away for 10 days and come back to find we have no manager, no play-off date at Wembley and half of the squad have been released.What a difference to before I left. I really hope a new manager is appointed soon. I wouldn't mind Clement but would someone really move from Real Madrid to Brighton ? Also i think the language barrier with Oscar was an issue at times and this may be a consideration when considering another overseas appointment. For a home grown manager, I wouldn't mind Steve Clark or Phil Nevill but I think it would be beneficial to have someone with a knowledge of what's required. Finally, does anyone know the attendance figure for our two matches v Derby. I noticed the gates at Wigan and QPR were a pathetic 14,000 & 16,000. Neither deserve to get promoted with that support. Did we break 30,000 at The Amex.? I'm sure there was probably 30,000 + at Derby. I'd be interested to know what it was.[/p][/quote]Why does the size of gates necessarily affect a clubs ability to play in the premier league. Both teams have survived previously in the top division. Size isn't everything, is it fratsomrover.[/p][/quote]The size of the gate has not traditionally affected a clubs ability to play at the highest level, but with FFP introduction it could well have a bearing in the forthcoming seasons. I think clubs with small gates will find it increasingly harder to stay in the top divisions. So size may not be everything Dave, but it may increasingly be so in the future. fratsomrover
  • Score: 3

3:11pm Mon 19 May 14

fratsomrover says...

JeffLomer wrote:
fratsomrover wrote:
I go away for 10 days and come back to find we have no manager, no play-off date at Wembley and half of the squad have been released.What a difference to before I left.
I really hope a new manager is appointed soon. I wouldn't mind Clement but would someone really move from Real Madrid to Brighton ? Also i think the language barrier with Oscar was an issue at times and this may be a consideration when considering another overseas appointment.
For a home grown manager, I wouldn't mind Steve Clark or Phil Nevill but I think it would be beneficial to have someone with a knowledge of what's required.
Finally, does anyone know the attendance figure for our two matches v Derby. I noticed the gates at Wigan and QPR were a pathetic 14,000 & 16,000. Neither deserve to get promoted with that support. Did we break 30,000 at The Amex.? I'm sure there was probably 30,000 + at Derby.
I'd be interested to know what it was.
Don't they have tvs at butlins, 27,000 at Amex 30,000 at Derby beaten by a better team lightning quick on the break,
Up the Albion!!!!
There is no Butlins at the Sinalei Reef Resort !!
I understand that the best team won. I always thought it was pity we had to play them as opposed to Wigan or QPR, because I think we would have stood a better chance of getting to Wembley.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: I go away for 10 days and come back to find we have no manager, no play-off date at Wembley and half of the squad have been released.What a difference to before I left. I really hope a new manager is appointed soon. I wouldn't mind Clement but would someone really move from Real Madrid to Brighton ? Also i think the language barrier with Oscar was an issue at times and this may be a consideration when considering another overseas appointment. For a home grown manager, I wouldn't mind Steve Clark or Phil Nevill but I think it would be beneficial to have someone with a knowledge of what's required. Finally, does anyone know the attendance figure for our two matches v Derby. I noticed the gates at Wigan and QPR were a pathetic 14,000 & 16,000. Neither deserve to get promoted with that support. Did we break 30,000 at The Amex.? I'm sure there was probably 30,000 + at Derby. I'd be interested to know what it was.[/p][/quote]Don't they have tvs at butlins, 27,000 at Amex 30,000 at Derby beaten by a better team lightning quick on the break, Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]There is no Butlins at the Sinalei Reef Resort !! I understand that the best team won. I always thought it was pity we had to play them as opposed to Wigan or QPR, because I think we would have stood a better chance of getting to Wembley. fratsomrover
  • Score: 3

3:17pm Mon 19 May 14

Claude Back says...

tinker111 wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
anyone but nathan jones.
GOD FORBID wouldn't know a good player if he feel over one Look at his recommendation of OBOKO ???
I don't think the manager should be feeling the players, do you?

(Yes, I know you corrected it but I just couldn't resist. ;-) )
[quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: anyone but nathan jones.[/p][/quote]GOD FORBID wouldn't know a good player if he feel over one Look at his recommendation of OBOKO ???[/p][/quote]I don't think the manager should be feeling the players, do you? (Yes, I know you corrected it but I just couldn't resist. ;-) ) Claude Back
  • Score: 6

3:18pm Mon 19 May 14

ballantrrae says...

ballantrrae wrote:
fratsomrover wrote:
I go away for 10 days and come back to find we have no manager, no play-off date at Wembley and half of the squad have been released.What a difference to before I left.
I really hope a new manager is appointed soon. I wouldn't mind Clement but would someone really move from Real Madrid to Brighton ? Also i think the language barrier with Oscar was an issue at times and this may be a consideration when considering another overseas appointment.
For a home grown manager, I wouldn't mind Steve Clark or Phil Nevill but I think it would be beneficial to have someone with a knowledge of what's required.
Finally, does anyone know the attendance figure for our two matches v Derby. I noticed the gates at Wigan and QPR were a pathetic 14,000 & 16,000. Neither deserve to get promoted with that support. Did we break 30,000 at The Amex.? I'm sure there was probably 30,000 + at Derby.
I'd be interested to know what it was.
Firstly to answer your question Fratsomrover the attendance at the Amex was 27,118 and at Derby 31,708 including 2,700 Albion fans.
Secondly I have posted earlier on this thread my thoughts about appointing a new Manager but agree that it would be good to have someone appointed sooner rather than later although we clearly want the best person to be brought in. As Vegas says someone who positively wants to join BHA and someone, as Lopez and others have said, who would wish to be Manager for the long term.
Incidentally for those posters who are not aware of it, Paul Clement is English and worked at Chelsea before moving to Paris St Germain with Ancelloti before moving on with him to Real Madrid.. However if Clement or indeed Sherwood were appointed I would be interested in knowing who else they would bring in as their back room team.
Whilst I don't think we need anyone to be appointed in a rush I would be concerned if we didn't have a Manager by the end of May since this might affect our being able to restructure the squad so that it is stronger (and hopefully less injury prone) than the season just ended. Already there is a rumour that Leicester are interested in Upson (does anybody know if he has accepted our offer ?). I notice that Grabban is probably off to Cardiff for a reported £3 million fee.
With one first choice and possibly two GKs needed, hopefully Ward resigned plus at least one CB (two if Upson doesn't accept our offer), 3 possibly 4 midfielders (replacing Andrews, Bridcutt, Lopez and Orlandi) and at least 2 strikers also on the shopping the squad should look very different by August. This is quite a task for the new Manager and his team to achieve in a relatively short space of time. I hope there is sufficient funds available to help them achieve the squad recruitment required.
In terms of who might join Ward resigning would be high on my list of priorities but from our league or lower I thought McCourt (Barnsley)' Ayling (Yeovil FB) and Clayton (Huddersfield) all looked good players - I see we are being linked with Clayton again. Another player who caught my attention was Wilcox (?) the Coventry striker who seemed to be extremely pacey - just what we need.
Much to contemplate both on the question of a new Manager and in terms of acquiring new players - a busy few weeks for the club in prospect. UTA.
Should read '2 strikers also on the shopping list...'
I meant to mention Bamford who won't get a look in at Chelsea as a potential striker. I thought he looked useful when he played against us for Derby.
Apologies.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: I go away for 10 days and come back to find we have no manager, no play-off date at Wembley and half of the squad have been released.What a difference to before I left. I really hope a new manager is appointed soon. I wouldn't mind Clement but would someone really move from Real Madrid to Brighton ? Also i think the language barrier with Oscar was an issue at times and this may be a consideration when considering another overseas appointment. For a home grown manager, I wouldn't mind Steve Clark or Phil Nevill but I think it would be beneficial to have someone with a knowledge of what's required. Finally, does anyone know the attendance figure for our two matches v Derby. I noticed the gates at Wigan and QPR were a pathetic 14,000 & 16,000. Neither deserve to get promoted with that support. Did we break 30,000 at The Amex.? I'm sure there was probably 30,000 + at Derby. I'd be interested to know what it was.[/p][/quote]Firstly to answer your question Fratsomrover the attendance at the Amex was 27,118 and at Derby 31,708 including 2,700 Albion fans. Secondly I have posted earlier on this thread my thoughts about appointing a new Manager but agree that it would be good to have someone appointed sooner rather than later although we clearly want the best person to be brought in. As Vegas says someone who positively wants to join BHA and someone, as Lopez and others have said, who would wish to be Manager for the long term. Incidentally for those posters who are not aware of it, Paul Clement is English and worked at Chelsea before moving to Paris St Germain with Ancelloti before moving on with him to Real Madrid.. However if Clement or indeed Sherwood were appointed I would be interested in knowing who else they would bring in as their back room team. Whilst I don't think we need anyone to be appointed in a rush I would be concerned if we didn't have a Manager by the end of May since this might affect our being able to restructure the squad so that it is stronger (and hopefully less injury prone) than the season just ended. Already there is a rumour that Leicester are interested in Upson (does anybody know if he has accepted our offer ?). I notice that Grabban is probably off to Cardiff for a reported £3 million fee. With one first choice and possibly two GKs needed, hopefully Ward resigned plus at least one CB (two if Upson doesn't accept our offer), 3 possibly 4 midfielders (replacing Andrews, Bridcutt, Lopez and Orlandi) and at least 2 strikers also on the shopping the squad should look very different by August. This is quite a task for the new Manager and his team to achieve in a relatively short space of time. I hope there is sufficient funds available to help them achieve the squad recruitment required. In terms of who might join Ward resigning would be high on my list of priorities but from our league or lower I thought McCourt (Barnsley)' Ayling (Yeovil FB) and Clayton (Huddersfield) all looked good players - I see we are being linked with Clayton again. Another player who caught my attention was Wilcox (?) the Coventry striker who seemed to be extremely pacey - just what we need. Much to contemplate both on the question of a new Manager and in terms of acquiring new players - a busy few weeks for the club in prospect. UTA.[/p][/quote]Should read '2 strikers also on the shopping list...' I meant to mention Bamford who won't get a look in at Chelsea as a potential striker. I thought he looked useful when he played against us for Derby. Apologies. ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

3:20pm Mon 19 May 14

Claude Back says...

Also,......Oboko? Is N.J. some sort of terrorist now?
Also,......Oboko? Is N.J. some sort of terrorist now? Claude Back
  • Score: 7

3:23pm Mon 19 May 14

pte says...

tinker111 wrote:
pte wrote:
TS definitely fancies it but on his terms. When he talks about honest discussions with the chairman he can only be alluding to BHA. I don't think they are in discussions at the moment because it would be impolite to talk about honest discussions while discussions are taking place.

My guess is TS is giving TB the wink that he could be interested if approached but the terms must be right.

This might be all too much for our Tony
M M & now TS on the outside do wonder what we will get from TB another Rookie ???? in the meantime team building must be on back burner or is to be like last season COACH GET ON WITH WHAT YOU ARE GIVEN????
The only rookie that would excite me is Frank Lampard as player manager or Ryan Giggs. Because of their staure, TB would be forced to take notice of their views over DB who would hopefully lose influence.

When you appoint a rookie (with the exception of Gus) they are less able to fare well in any club infighting that happens with some chaotically run clubs
[quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: TS definitely fancies it but on his terms. When he talks about honest discussions with the chairman he can only be alluding to BHA. I don't think they are in discussions at the moment because it would be impolite to talk about honest discussions while discussions are taking place. My guess is TS is giving TB the wink that he could be interested if approached but the terms must be right. This might be all too much for our Tony[/p][/quote]M M & now TS on the outside do wonder what we will get from TB another Rookie ???? in the meantime team building must be on back burner or is to be like last season COACH GET ON WITH WHAT YOU ARE GIVEN????[/p][/quote]The only rookie that would excite me is Frank Lampard as player manager or Ryan Giggs. Because of their staure, TB would be forced to take notice of their views over DB who would hopefully lose influence. When you appoint a rookie (with the exception of Gus) they are less able to fare well in any club infighting that happens with some chaotically run clubs pte
  • Score: -6

3:24pm Mon 19 May 14

Tommy11 says...

I’m getting a very strong feeling that the top of Blooms list is Paul Clement. It’s his type of manager – Bloom appears to like to test out managers rather than bringing in an experienced name.

I’m a bit hesitant about it in honesty – granted it could be a good long term appointment. But I want someone to hit the ground running in August – and for the club to really give the promotion challenge a go. I do feel that if we have another season of dilly dallying about and seeing if the manager is ‘up to it’ then it does concern me that the crowds will begin to fall – as annoying as these fair-weather fans are – we need them and their money! Simple as that!

So – really we do need someone to get straight into it – so Clement for me is a big risk. I do feel he could be a good manager in the future though.

What also concerns me though more than anything, is that I can see Jones keeping his position as assistant, as Clement is not part of any ‘package’ – unless he brings in his old mucca Ray Wilkins in or something (which for god sake I don’t want!). However, I 100% do not want Jones standing with him on the touchline next season, as the tippy tappy ‘linger’ will still be present – and I don’t want that!!! I want the new man to start afresh and have no ‘liittle voice’ in the background saying ‘ Let’s bring on JFC for Lua Lua’ when we are drawing 0-0.

Im still up for Sherwood, so he can bring in Sir Les (will be great for Ulloa &Co) and Chris Ramsay – get cracking TB!
I’m getting a very strong feeling that the top of Blooms list is Paul Clement. It’s his type of manager – Bloom appears to like to test out managers rather than bringing in an experienced name. I’m a bit hesitant about it in honesty – granted it could be a good long term appointment. But I want someone to hit the ground running in August – and for the club to really give the promotion challenge a go. I do feel that if we have another season of dilly dallying about and seeing if the manager is ‘up to it’ then it does concern me that the crowds will begin to fall – as annoying as these fair-weather fans are – we need them and their money! Simple as that! So – really we do need someone to get straight into it – so Clement for me is a big risk. I do feel he could be a good manager in the future though. What also concerns me though more than anything, is that I can see Jones keeping his position as assistant, as Clement is not part of any ‘package’ – unless he brings in his old mucca Ray Wilkins in or something (which for god sake I don’t want!). However, I 100% do not want Jones standing with him on the touchline next season, as the tippy tappy ‘linger’ will still be present – and I don’t want that!!! I want the new man to start afresh and have no ‘liittle voice’ in the background saying ‘ Let’s bring on JFC for Lua Lua’ when we are drawing 0-0. Im still up for Sherwood, so he can bring in Sir Les (will be great for Ulloa &Co) and Chris Ramsay – get cracking TB! Tommy11
  • Score: 8

3:58pm Mon 19 May 14

ballantrrae says...

fratsomrover wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
fratsomrover wrote:
I go away for 10 days and come back to find we have no manager, no play-off date at Wembley and half of the squad have been released.What a difference to before I left.
I really hope a new manager is appointed soon. I wouldn't mind Clement but would someone really move from Real Madrid to Brighton ? Also i think the language barrier with Oscar was an issue at times and this may be a consideration when considering another overseas appointment.
For a home grown manager, I wouldn't mind Steve Clark or Phil Nevill but I think it would be beneficial to have someone with a knowledge of what's required.
Finally, does anyone know the attendance figure for our two matches v Derby. I noticed the gates at Wigan and QPR were a pathetic 14,000 & 16,000. Neither deserve to get promoted with that support. Did we break 30,000 at The Amex.? I'm sure there was probably 30,000 + at Derby.
I'd be interested to know what it was.
Firstly to answer your question Fratsomrover the attendance at the Amex was 27,118 and at Derby 31,708 including 2,700 Albion fans.
Secondly I have posted earlier on this thread my thoughts about appointing a new Manager but agree that it would be good to have someone appointed sooner rather than later although we clearly want the best person to be brought in. As Vegas says someone who positively wants to join BHA and someone, as Lopez and others have said, who would wish to be Manager for the long term.
Incidentally for those posters who are not aware of it, Paul Clement is English and worked at Chelsea before moving to Paris St Germain with Ancelloti before moving on with him to Real Madrid.. However if Clement or indeed Sherwood were appointed I would be interested in knowing who else they would bring in as their back room team.
Whilst I don't think we need anyone to be appointed in a rush I would be concerned if we didn't have a Manager by the end of May since this might affect our being able to restructure the squad so that it is stronger (and hopefully less injury prone) than the season just ended. Already there is a rumour that Leicester are interested in Upson (does anybody know if he has accepted our offer ?). I notice that Grabban is probably off to Cardiff for a reported £3 million fee.
With one first choice and possibly two GKs needed, hopefully Ward resigned plus at least one CB (two if Upson doesn't accept our offer), 3 possibly 4 midfielders (replacing Andrews, Bridcutt, Lopez and Orlandi) and at least 2 strikers also on the shopping the squad should look very different by August. This is quite a task for the new Manager and his team to achieve in a relatively short space of time. I hope there is sufficient funds available to help them achieve the squad recruitment required.
In terms of who might join Ward resigning would be high on my list of priorities but from our league or lower I thought McCourt (Barnsley)' Ayling (Yeovil FB) and Clayton (Huddersfield) all looked good players - I see we are being linked with Clayton again. Another player who caught my attention was Wilcox (?) the Coventry striker who seemed to be extremely pacey - just what we need.
Much to contemplate both on the question of a new Manager and in terms of acquiring new players - a busy few weeks for the club in prospect. UTA.
Thanks for the information re: the gate Ballantrrae.
I enjoy reading your opinions as they are normally well founded and sensible.
I'm sure we will bolster the squad, but as you say, that is not likely to happen until a new manager is appointed as he'll want a say in who he gets. Let's hope one is appointed soon and that he has the respect and contacts to acquire some reasonable talent, although I'm not sure trawling the lower leagues might best serve our aims.
I too would have reservations about lower league players but thought it worth mentioning some if budgetary constraints, because of FFP, becomes an issue. Given that we probably need to sign 9 new players possibly more if say Upson doesn't accept our offer or the likes of Ulloa or Buckley were to leave our relatively modest likely budget is a factor that needs taking into account.
There are a number of young quality players that it might be worth pursuing 'on loan' like Bamford (Chelsea) and Thorn (WBA). Obviously much will depend on our new Manager once appointed.
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: I go away for 10 days and come back to find we have no manager, no play-off date at Wembley and half of the squad have been released.What a difference to before I left. I really hope a new manager is appointed soon. I wouldn't mind Clement but would someone really move from Real Madrid to Brighton ? Also i think the language barrier with Oscar was an issue at times and this may be a consideration when considering another overseas appointment. For a home grown manager, I wouldn't mind Steve Clark or Phil Nevill but I think it would be beneficial to have someone with a knowledge of what's required. Finally, does anyone know the attendance figure for our two matches v Derby. I noticed the gates at Wigan and QPR were a pathetic 14,000 & 16,000. Neither deserve to get promoted with that support. Did we break 30,000 at The Amex.? I'm sure there was probably 30,000 + at Derby. I'd be interested to know what it was.[/p][/quote]Firstly to answer your question Fratsomrover the attendance at the Amex was 27,118 and at Derby 31,708 including 2,700 Albion fans. Secondly I have posted earlier on this thread my thoughts about appointing a new Manager but agree that it would be good to have someone appointed sooner rather than later although we clearly want the best person to be brought in. As Vegas says someone who positively wants to join BHA and someone, as Lopez and others have said, who would wish to be Manager for the long term. Incidentally for those posters who are not aware of it, Paul Clement is English and worked at Chelsea before moving to Paris St Germain with Ancelloti before moving on with him to Real Madrid.. However if Clement or indeed Sherwood were appointed I would be interested in knowing who else they would bring in as their back room team. Whilst I don't think we need anyone to be appointed in a rush I would be concerned if we didn't have a Manager by the end of May since this might affect our being able to restructure the squad so that it is stronger (and hopefully less injury prone) than the season just ended. Already there is a rumour that Leicester are interested in Upson (does anybody know if he has accepted our offer ?). I notice that Grabban is probably off to Cardiff for a reported £3 million fee. With one first choice and possibly two GKs needed, hopefully Ward resigned plus at least one CB (two if Upson doesn't accept our offer), 3 possibly 4 midfielders (replacing Andrews, Bridcutt, Lopez and Orlandi) and at least 2 strikers also on the shopping the squad should look very different by August. This is quite a task for the new Manager and his team to achieve in a relatively short space of time. I hope there is sufficient funds available to help them achieve the squad recruitment required. In terms of who might join Ward resigning would be high on my list of priorities but from our league or lower I thought McCourt (Barnsley)' Ayling (Yeovil FB) and Clayton (Huddersfield) all looked good players - I see we are being linked with Clayton again. Another player who caught my attention was Wilcox (?) the Coventry striker who seemed to be extremely pacey - just what we need. Much to contemplate both on the question of a new Manager and in terms of acquiring new players - a busy few weeks for the club in prospect. UTA.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the information re: the gate Ballantrrae. I enjoy reading your opinions as they are normally well founded and sensible. I'm sure we will bolster the squad, but as you say, that is not likely to happen until a new manager is appointed as he'll want a say in who he gets. Let's hope one is appointed soon and that he has the respect and contacts to acquire some reasonable talent, although I'm not sure trawling the lower leagues might best serve our aims.[/p][/quote]I too would have reservations about lower league players but thought it worth mentioning some if budgetary constraints, because of FFP, becomes an issue. Given that we probably need to sign 9 new players possibly more if say Upson doesn't accept our offer or the likes of Ulloa or Buckley were to leave our relatively modest likely budget is a factor that needs taking into account. There are a number of young quality players that it might be worth pursuing 'on loan' like Bamford (Chelsea) and Thorn (WBA). Obviously much will depend on our new Manager once appointed. ballantrrae
  • Score: -1

4:13pm Mon 19 May 14

ballantrrae says...

Tommy11 wrote:
I’m getting a very strong feeling that the top of Blooms list is Paul Clement. It’s his type of manager – Bloom appears to like to test out managers rather than bringing in an experienced name.

I’m a bit hesitant about it in honesty – granted it could be a good long term appointment. But I want someone to hit the ground running in August – and for the club to really give the promotion challenge a go. I do feel that if we have another season of dilly dallying about and seeing if the manager is ‘up to it’ then it does concern me that the crowds will begin to fall – as annoying as these fair-weather fans are – we need them and their money! Simple as that!

So – really we do need someone to get straight into it – so Clement for me is a big risk. I do feel he could be a good manager in the future though.

What also concerns me though more than anything, is that I can see Jones keeping his position as assistant, as Clement is not part of any ‘package’ – unless he brings in his old mucca Ray Wilkins in or something (which for god sake I don’t want!). However, I 100% do not want Jones standing with him on the touchline next season, as the tippy tappy ‘linger’ will still be present – and I don’t want that!!! I want the new man to start afresh and have no ‘liittle voice’ in the background saying ‘ Let’s bring on JFC for Lua Lua’ when we are drawing 0-0.

Im still up for Sherwood, so he can bring in Sir Les (will be great for Ulloa &Co) and Chris Ramsay – get cracking TB!
I think it is worthwhile TB considering appointing a young unproven Manager like Clement so long as they were able to bring in an experienced No 2 like for example Steve Clarke. As you point out Tommy11, Sherwood would probably bring in Ferdinand addressing that issue and Chris Ramsay who obviously has strong historical ties with the club. I don't really see a role for Jones but he could take on the Oatway type position or be moved across to the Academy in some capacity or other.
Interesting decisions for TB to make in the next couple of weeks. UTA.
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: I’m getting a very strong feeling that the top of Blooms list is Paul Clement. It’s his type of manager – Bloom appears to like to test out managers rather than bringing in an experienced name. I’m a bit hesitant about it in honesty – granted it could be a good long term appointment. But I want someone to hit the ground running in August – and for the club to really give the promotion challenge a go. I do feel that if we have another season of dilly dallying about and seeing if the manager is ‘up to it’ then it does concern me that the crowds will begin to fall – as annoying as these fair-weather fans are – we need them and their money! Simple as that! So – really we do need someone to get straight into it – so Clement for me is a big risk. I do feel he could be a good manager in the future though. What also concerns me though more than anything, is that I can see Jones keeping his position as assistant, as Clement is not part of any ‘package’ – unless he brings in his old mucca Ray Wilkins in or something (which for god sake I don’t want!). However, I 100% do not want Jones standing with him on the touchline next season, as the tippy tappy ‘linger’ will still be present – and I don’t want that!!! I want the new man to start afresh and have no ‘liittle voice’ in the background saying ‘ Let’s bring on JFC for Lua Lua’ when we are drawing 0-0. Im still up for Sherwood, so he can bring in Sir Les (will be great for Ulloa &Co) and Chris Ramsay – get cracking TB![/p][/quote]I think it is worthwhile TB considering appointing a young unproven Manager like Clement so long as they were able to bring in an experienced No 2 like for example Steve Clarke. As you point out Tommy11, Sherwood would probably bring in Ferdinand addressing that issue and Chris Ramsay who obviously has strong historical ties with the club. I don't really see a role for Jones but he could take on the Oatway type position or be moved across to the Academy in some capacity or other. Interesting decisions for TB to make in the next couple of weeks. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 1

4:20pm Mon 19 May 14

Alfie T says...

Fiddling while Rome burns.....
Fiddling while Rome burns..... Alfie T
  • Score: 0

4:26pm Mon 19 May 14

pjwilk says...

Going back to the play offs,why did Brighton have to play Thurs and Sunday,just 2 days in between when most of the others are getting near enough a week in between games.Just thought it may have helped with injuries.
Going back to the play offs,why did Brighton have to play Thurs and Sunday,just 2 days in between when most of the others are getting near enough a week in between games.Just thought it may have helped with injuries. pjwilk
  • Score: -6

4:43pm Mon 19 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
It seems most available managers are being linked to the Norwich job at the moment probably because of the parachute money they will have more to spend. It looks like Malcky Mac is favourite to go there now, but once that job is filled then perhaps the other available managers will focus their attention on other vacancies like the Albion job. Even so I'd hope we are being more proactive than the reports suggest and try to get Sherwood on board, or Hughton, good managers aren't unemployed for long and if there really has been no contact then it's very disappointing indeed. This Clement from Real Madrid may be good but he doesn't know the championship from experience and must be a bit of a gamble, otherwise what sort of manager are we going to end up with? I would have pushed the boat out a bit to get Mackay, Sherwood or Hughton in and not hung around while other clubs step in. It seems to take an eternity for anything to get done and we'll be at the back of the que if we don't pull our socks up.
What does Sherwood know of the Championship? If it bars Clement then it should bar TS as well.
Ok, well, Sherwood is based in the country, knows the English game very well having played at both premier AND championship level. He will have dealt with players going out on loan at clubs in the championship as well so will have attended championship games many times. So all in all I'd say TS knows quite a substantial amount of the championship! Mr Clement has probably done none of these things, not to say he won't do a good job at all but he won't have had Sherwoods experience. Will that do?
Paul Clement has extensive experience of coaching in this country, so he will also be aware of the game at Championship level (all of which has changed since either man actually had relevant experience of it, though).
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: It seems most available managers are being linked to the Norwich job at the moment probably because of the parachute money they will have more to spend. It looks like Malcky Mac is favourite to go there now, but once that job is filled then perhaps the other available managers will focus their attention on other vacancies like the Albion job. Even so I'd hope we are being more proactive than the reports suggest and try to get Sherwood on board, or Hughton, good managers aren't unemployed for long and if there really has been no contact then it's very disappointing indeed. This Clement from Real Madrid may be good but he doesn't know the championship from experience and must be a bit of a gamble, otherwise what sort of manager are we going to end up with? I would have pushed the boat out a bit to get Mackay, Sherwood or Hughton in and not hung around while other clubs step in. It seems to take an eternity for anything to get done and we'll be at the back of the que if we don't pull our socks up.[/p][/quote]What does Sherwood know of the Championship? If it bars Clement then it should bar TS as well.[/p][/quote]Ok, well, Sherwood is based in the country, knows the English game very well having played at both premier AND championship level. He will have dealt with players going out on loan at clubs in the championship as well so will have attended championship games many times. So all in all I'd say TS knows quite a substantial amount of the championship! Mr Clement has probably done none of these things, not to say he won't do a good job at all but he won't have had Sherwoods experience. Will that do?[/p][/quote]Paul Clement has extensive experience of coaching in this country, so he will also be aware of the game at Championship level (all of which has changed since either man actually had relevant experience of it, though). Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

5:07pm Mon 19 May 14

JUPILER says...

Of course there is no reason to panic a manager(coach) albion will have.

But what top man wants to come here,with all the restrictions.

No money to spend
No real say in wanted players

Albion have lost TWO managers in two seasons because of this reason.

One of the top teams gates
One of the top teams price tickets(day out)
But going deeper in the red.

Something smells very fishy.

Do not come back we owe Bloom he is not asking for his money back till ???
Of course there is no reason to panic a manager(coach) albion will have. But what top man wants to come here,with all the restrictions. No money to spend No real say in wanted players Albion have lost TWO managers in two seasons because of this reason. One of the top teams gates One of the top teams price tickets(day out) But going deeper in the red. Something smells very fishy. Do not come back we owe Bloom he is not asking for his money back till ??? JUPILER
  • Score: -4

5:37pm Mon 19 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

JUPILER wrote:
Of course there is no reason to panic a manager(coach) albion will have.

But what top man wants to come here,with all the restrictions.

No money to spend
No real say in wanted players

Albion have lost TWO managers in two seasons because of this reason.

One of the top teams gates
One of the top teams price tickets(day out)
But going deeper in the red.

Something smells very fishy.

Do not come back we owe Bloom he is not asking for his money back till ???
Ah, the old "Don't came back with your reasonable arguments to my almost untenable position" clause.
[quote][p][bold]JUPILER[/bold] wrote: Of course there is no reason to panic a manager(coach) albion will have. But what top man wants to come here,with all the restrictions. No money to spend No real say in wanted players Albion have lost TWO managers in two seasons because of this reason. One of the top teams gates One of the top teams price tickets(day out) But going deeper in the red. Something smells very fishy. Do not come back we owe Bloom he is not asking for his money back till ???[/p][/quote]Ah, the old "Don't came back with your reasonable arguments to my almost untenable position" clause. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

6:30pm Mon 19 May 14

namgo49 says...

According to the Ooh Ah Daily Star, OG hopes to get the Stains job if Pottythingy goes to Tottenham. Whilst this is very unlikely, OG to Stains , that is, should we not have made sure we're compensated if he gets a deal elsewhere. after all he was contracted to us until 2016.

Clement looks likely with us. TS to much of a loose cannon.

Those of us who feel Ward should have been Player of the Season want to know why he has not yet been signed. He clearly wants to stay. Time and tide etc etc
According to the Ooh Ah Daily Star, OG hopes to get the Stains job if Pottythingy goes to Tottenham. Whilst this is very unlikely, OG to Stains , that is, should we not have made sure we're compensated if he gets a deal elsewhere. after all he was contracted to us until 2016. Clement looks likely with us. TS to much of a loose cannon. Those of us who feel Ward should have been Player of the Season want to know why he has not yet been signed. He clearly wants to stay. Time and tide etc etc namgo49
  • Score: 1

6:30pm Mon 19 May 14

mark by the sea says...

ballantrrae wrote:
Tommy11 wrote:
I’m getting a very strong feeling that the top of Blooms list is Paul Clement. It’s his type of manager – Bloom appears to like to test out managers rather than bringing in an experienced name.

I’m a bit hesitant about it in honesty – granted it could be a good long term appointment. But I want someone to hit the ground running in August – and for the club to really give the promotion challenge a go. I do feel that if we have another season of dilly dallying about and seeing if the manager is ‘up to it’ then it does concern me that the crowds will begin to fall – as annoying as these fair-weather fans are – we need them and their money! Simple as that!

So – really we do need someone to get straight into it – so Clement for me is a big risk. I do feel he could be a good manager in the future though.

What also concerns me though more than anything, is that I can see Jones keeping his position as assistant, as Clement is not part of any ‘package’ – unless he brings in his old mucca Ray Wilkins in or something (which for god sake I don’t want!). However, I 100% do not want Jones standing with him on the touchline next season, as the tippy tappy ‘linger’ will still be present – and I don’t want that!!! I want the new man to start afresh and have no ‘liittle voice’ in the background saying ‘ Let’s bring on JFC for Lua Lua’ when we are drawing 0-0.

Im still up for Sherwood, so he can bring in Sir Les (will be great for Ulloa &Co) and Chris Ramsay – get cracking TB!
I think it is worthwhile TB considering appointing a young unproven Manager like Clement so long as they were able to bring in an experienced No 2 like for example Steve Clarke. As you point out Tommy11, Sherwood would probably bring in Ferdinand addressing that issue and Chris Ramsay who obviously has strong historical ties with the club. I don't really see a role for Jones but he could take on the Oatway type position or be moved across to the Academy in some capacity or other.
Interesting decisions for TB to make in the next couple of weeks. UTA.
We are spending 30 million on a training academy and you want to stick jones out there! Get shot of him, Yeovil will have him back
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: I’m getting a very strong feeling that the top of Blooms list is Paul Clement. It’s his type of manager – Bloom appears to like to test out managers rather than bringing in an experienced name. I’m a bit hesitant about it in honesty – granted it could be a good long term appointment. But I want someone to hit the ground running in August – and for the club to really give the promotion challenge a go. I do feel that if we have another season of dilly dallying about and seeing if the manager is ‘up to it’ then it does concern me that the crowds will begin to fall – as annoying as these fair-weather fans are – we need them and their money! Simple as that! So – really we do need someone to get straight into it – so Clement for me is a big risk. I do feel he could be a good manager in the future though. What also concerns me though more than anything, is that I can see Jones keeping his position as assistant, as Clement is not part of any ‘package’ – unless he brings in his old mucca Ray Wilkins in or something (which for god sake I don’t want!). However, I 100% do not want Jones standing with him on the touchline next season, as the tippy tappy ‘linger’ will still be present – and I don’t want that!!! I want the new man to start afresh and have no ‘liittle voice’ in the background saying ‘ Let’s bring on JFC for Lua Lua’ when we are drawing 0-0. Im still up for Sherwood, so he can bring in Sir Les (will be great for Ulloa &Co) and Chris Ramsay – get cracking TB![/p][/quote]I think it is worthwhile TB considering appointing a young unproven Manager like Clement so long as they were able to bring in an experienced No 2 like for example Steve Clarke. As you point out Tommy11, Sherwood would probably bring in Ferdinand addressing that issue and Chris Ramsay who obviously has strong historical ties with the club. I don't really see a role for Jones but he could take on the Oatway type position or be moved across to the Academy in some capacity or other. Interesting decisions for TB to make in the next couple of weeks. UTA.[/p][/quote]We are spending 30 million on a training academy and you want to stick jones out there! Get shot of him, Yeovil will have him back mark by the sea
  • Score: 9

6:39pm Mon 19 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

I don't get the dislike for Jones on here. Surely none of really know enough about the guy and his abilities to think we have more insight than TB, PB et al.

(This is not aimed at any one person in particular, it's just a general theme.)
I don't get the dislike for Jones on here. Surely none of really know enough about the guy and his abilities to think we have more insight than TB, PB et al. (This is not aimed at any one person in particular, it's just a general theme.) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

6:41pm Mon 19 May 14

Simbosims says...

Blimey calm down!!

Nobody on here knows what is going on behind the scenes.

It's all about POKER and my bet is on T.B.

Let him get on with it, It's his money he's paying with FFS.
Blimey calm down!! Nobody on here knows what is going on behind the scenes. It's all about POKER and my bet is on T.B. Let him get on with it, It's his money he's paying with FFS. Simbosims
  • Score: 1

6:48pm Mon 19 May 14

gordongull says...

Simbosims wrote:
Blimey calm down!!

Nobody on here knows what is going on behind the scenes.

It's all about POKER and my bet is on T.B.

Let him get on with it, It's his money he's paying with FFS.
So what do you suggest we discuss. The weather or the Government?
[quote][p][bold]Simbosims[/bold] wrote: Blimey calm down!! Nobody on here knows what is going on behind the scenes. It's all about POKER and my bet is on T.B. Let him get on with it, It's his money he's paying with FFS.[/p][/quote]So what do you suggest we discuss. The weather or the Government? gordongull
  • Score: 8

6:54pm Mon 19 May 14

golddene says...

jockithenoo wrote:
I thought the argus posted that we would hear from T B last week ?????
Whoever comes needs to be in place for the pre season so he can aquatint himself with the squad.
UTA
We did, just the Argus was not the medium preferred by Tony Bloom, he used radio Sussex to get his reply to Oscars leaving revelations and answered them all honestly and up front just as you would expect from a man of Tony's undoubted class.
[quote][p][bold]jockithenoo[/bold] wrote: I thought the argus posted that we would hear from T B last week ????? Whoever comes needs to be in place for the pre season so he can aquatint himself with the squad. UTA[/p][/quote]We did, just the Argus was not the medium preferred by Tony Bloom, he used radio Sussex to get his reply to Oscars leaving revelations and answered them all honestly and up front just as you would expect from a man of Tony's undoubted class. golddene
  • Score: 2

6:55pm Mon 19 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I don't get the dislike for Jones on here. Surely none of really know enough about the guy and his abilities to think we have more insight than TB, PB et al.

(This is not aimed at any one person in particular, it's just a general theme.)
I understand where your coming from, but we don't want to lose managers because they must take jones! His cv has nothing on it to be honest, he got this job because he was fluent in Spanish, he now looks like a patsy for the suits , if that's not true I feel sorry for him, but his continued employment makes OG was on his own . Again no mention of jones in OG parting letter ?
You would have thought that would be top of his list ?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I don't get the dislike for Jones on here. Surely none of really know enough about the guy and his abilities to think we have more insight than TB, PB et al. (This is not aimed at any one person in particular, it's just a general theme.)[/p][/quote]I understand where your coming from, but we don't want to lose managers because they must take jones! His cv has nothing on it to be honest, he got this job because he was fluent in Spanish, he now looks like a patsy for the suits , if that's not true I feel sorry for him, but his continued employment makes OG was on his own . Again no mention of jones in OG parting letter ? You would have thought that would be top of his list ? mark by the sea
  • Score: 11

6:56pm Mon 19 May 14

Simbosims says...

gordongull wrote:
Simbosims wrote: Blimey calm down!! Nobody on here knows what is going on behind the scenes. It's all about POKER and my bet is on T.B. Let him get on with it, It's his money he's paying with FFS.
So what do you suggest we discuss. The weather or the Government?
Preferably.Until there are FACTS available. Then comment.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simbosims[/bold] wrote: Blimey calm down!! Nobody on here knows what is going on behind the scenes. It's all about POKER and my bet is on T.B. Let him get on with it, It's his money he's paying with FFS.[/p][/quote]So what do you suggest we discuss. The weather or the Government?[/p][/quote]Preferably.Until there are FACTS available. Then comment. Simbosims
  • Score: -2

6:59pm Mon 19 May 14

ballantrrae says...

mark by the sea wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
Tommy11 wrote:
I’m getting a very strong feeling that the top of Blooms list is Paul Clement. It’s his type of manager – Bloom appears to like to test out managers rather than bringing in an experienced name.

I’m a bit hesitant about it in honesty – granted it could be a good long term appointment. But I want someone to hit the ground running in August – and for the club to really give the promotion challenge a go. I do feel that if we have another season of dilly dallying about and seeing if the manager is ‘up to it’ then it does concern me that the crowds will begin to fall – as annoying as these fair-weather fans are – we need them and their money! Simple as that!

So – really we do need someone to get straight into it – so Clement for me is a big risk. I do feel he could be a good manager in the future though.

What also concerns me though more than anything, is that I can see Jones keeping his position as assistant, as Clement is not part of any ‘package’ – unless he brings in his old mucca Ray Wilkins in or something (which for god sake I don’t want!). However, I 100% do not want Jones standing with him on the touchline next season, as the tippy tappy ‘linger’ will still be present – and I don’t want that!!! I want the new man to start afresh and have no ‘liittle voice’ in the background saying ‘ Let’s bring on JFC for Lua Lua’ when we are drawing 0-0.

Im still up for Sherwood, so he can bring in Sir Les (will be great for Ulloa &Co) and Chris Ramsay – get cracking TB!
I think it is worthwhile TB considering appointing a young unproven Manager like Clement so long as they were able to bring in an experienced No 2 like for example Steve Clarke. As you point out Tommy11, Sherwood would probably bring in Ferdinand addressing that issue and Chris Ramsay who obviously has strong historical ties with the club. I don't really see a role for Jones but he could take on the Oatway type position or be moved across to the Academy in some capacity or other.
Interesting decisions for TB to make in the next couple of weeks. UTA.
We are spending 30 million on a training academy and you want to stick jones out there! Get shot of him, Yeovil will have him back
Actually Mark BTS I am with you on this, I was just speculating as to where Jones might be able to be utilised - I wasn't suggesting that he should be the top Academy coach although I had understood he did an OK job with Charlton's DS.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: I’m getting a very strong feeling that the top of Blooms list is Paul Clement. It’s his type of manager – Bloom appears to like to test out managers rather than bringing in an experienced name. I’m a bit hesitant about it in honesty – granted it could be a good long term appointment. But I want someone to hit the ground running in August – and for the club to really give the promotion challenge a go. I do feel that if we have another season of dilly dallying about and seeing if the manager is ‘up to it’ then it does concern me that the crowds will begin to fall – as annoying as these fair-weather fans are – we need them and their money! Simple as that! So – really we do need someone to get straight into it – so Clement for me is a big risk. I do feel he could be a good manager in the future though. What also concerns me though more than anything, is that I can see Jones keeping his position as assistant, as Clement is not part of any ‘package’ – unless he brings in his old mucca Ray Wilkins in or something (which for god sake I don’t want!). However, I 100% do not want Jones standing with him on the touchline next season, as the tippy tappy ‘linger’ will still be present – and I don’t want that!!! I want the new man to start afresh and have no ‘liittle voice’ in the background saying ‘ Let’s bring on JFC for Lua Lua’ when we are drawing 0-0. Im still up for Sherwood, so he can bring in Sir Les (will be great for Ulloa &Co) and Chris Ramsay – get cracking TB![/p][/quote]I think it is worthwhile TB considering appointing a young unproven Manager like Clement so long as they were able to bring in an experienced No 2 like for example Steve Clarke. As you point out Tommy11, Sherwood would probably bring in Ferdinand addressing that issue and Chris Ramsay who obviously has strong historical ties with the club. I don't really see a role for Jones but he could take on the Oatway type position or be moved across to the Academy in some capacity or other. Interesting decisions for TB to make in the next couple of weeks. UTA.[/p][/quote]We are spending 30 million on a training academy and you want to stick jones out there! Get shot of him, Yeovil will have him back[/p][/quote]Actually Mark BTS I am with you on this, I was just speculating as to where Jones might be able to be utilised - I wasn't suggesting that he should be the top Academy coach although I had understood he did an OK job with Charlton's DS. ballantrrae
  • Score: 5

7:16pm Mon 19 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I don't get the dislike for Jones on here. Surely none of really know enough about the guy and his abilities to think we have more insight than TB, PB et al.

(This is not aimed at any one person in particular, it's just a general theme.)
I understand where your coming from, but we don't want to lose managers because they must take jones! His cv has nothing on it to be honest, he got this job because he was fluent in Spanish, he now looks like a patsy for the suits , if that's not true I feel sorry for him, but his continued employment makes OG was on his own . Again no mention of jones in OG parting letter ?
You would have thought that would be top of his list ?
But there's also nothing to say that Jones will stay on in any capacity once a permanent manager is found. If there is no role for him in the new setup he will leave and go somewhere else/
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I don't get the dislike for Jones on here. Surely none of really know enough about the guy and his abilities to think we have more insight than TB, PB et al. (This is not aimed at any one person in particular, it's just a general theme.)[/p][/quote]I understand where your coming from, but we don't want to lose managers because they must take jones! His cv has nothing on it to be honest, he got this job because he was fluent in Spanish, he now looks like a patsy for the suits , if that's not true I feel sorry for him, but his continued employment makes OG was on his own . Again no mention of jones in OG parting letter ? You would have thought that would be top of his list ?[/p][/quote]But there's also nothing to say that Jones will stay on in any capacity once a permanent manager is found. If there is no role for him in the new setup he will leave and go somewhere else/ Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

7:25pm Mon 19 May 14

Jules boy says...

pjwilk wrote:
Carlton Cole released from W.Ham on a free.We should get him,he would get us promoted.
Takes more than 1 player
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Carlton Cole released from W.Ham on a free.We should get him,he would get us promoted.[/p][/quote]Takes more than 1 player Jules boy
  • Score: 3

7:45pm Mon 19 May 14

ringtone says...

Simbosims wrote:
Blimey calm down!!

Nobody on here knows what is going on behind the scenes.

It's all about POKER and my bet is on T.B.

Let him get on with it, It's his money he's paying with FFS.
No its a loan, its our money.
[quote][p][bold]Simbosims[/bold] wrote: Blimey calm down!! Nobody on here knows what is going on behind the scenes. It's all about POKER and my bet is on T.B. Let him get on with it, It's his money he's paying with FFS.[/p][/quote]No its a loan, its our money. ringtone
  • Score: -1

7:48pm Mon 19 May 14

ringtone says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I don't get the dislike for Jones on here. Surely none of really know enough about the guy and his abilities to think we have more insight than TB, PB et al.

(This is not aimed at any one person in particular, it's just a general theme.)
Should ave gone with garcia, unless he is part of the dunk empire.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I don't get the dislike for Jones on here. Surely none of really know enough about the guy and his abilities to think we have more insight than TB, PB et al. (This is not aimed at any one person in particular, it's just a general theme.)[/p][/quote]Should ave gone with garcia, unless he is part of the dunk empire. ringtone
  • Score: 2

7:59pm Mon 19 May 14

gordongull says...

Tim Sherwood's picture is appearing on this site with remarkable regularity. This is the fourth article about him in less than a week.
Remarkable because there is not even the most tenuous link connecting him with the B&HA job.
Unless you consider the Bookies to be a link. I don't believe for a moment that the Bookies think TS will be our next Manager, but they will no doubt make money out of it anyway.
We have been told that the new man will have the title of 'Manager'. We have also been told that his responsibilities will be identical to those of Oscar whose title was 'Coach'. This is sure to set alarm bells ringing with any potential candidate with his own ideas about team-building.
Sherwood, with his ''high media profile'', and relative success with a top six Prem' side will see himself as Premier League Ready, and if he can't get a job in the top flight, I wouldn't be surprised to see him concentrate on media work until one comes along.
Tony Bloom and David Burke will be looking for someone with a far lower profile than Sherwood, so both sides will be incompatible.
Tim Sherwood's picture is appearing on this site with remarkable regularity. This is the fourth article about him in less than a week. Remarkable because there is not even the most tenuous link connecting him with the B&HA job. Unless you consider the Bookies to be a link. I don't believe for a moment that the Bookies think TS will be our next Manager, but they will no doubt make money out of it anyway. We have been told that the new man will have the title of 'Manager'. We have also been told that his responsibilities will be identical to those of Oscar whose title was 'Coach'. This is sure to set alarm bells ringing with any potential candidate with his own ideas about team-building. Sherwood, with his ''high media profile'', and relative success with a top six Prem' side will see himself as Premier League Ready, and if he can't get a job in the top flight, I wouldn't be surprised to see him concentrate on media work until one comes along. Tony Bloom and David Burke will be looking for someone with a far lower profile than Sherwood, so both sides will be incompatible. gordongull
  • Score: 4

8:01pm Mon 19 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I don't get the dislike for Jones on here. Surely none of really know enough about the guy and his abilities to think we have more insight than TB, PB et al.

(This is not aimed at any one person in particular, it's just a general theme.)
I understand where your coming from, but we don't want to lose managers because they must take jones! His cv has nothing on it to be honest, he got this job because he was fluent in Spanish, he now looks like a patsy for the suits , if that's not true I feel sorry for him, but his continued employment makes OG was on his own . Again no mention of jones in OG parting letter ?
You would have thought that would be top of his list ?
But there's also nothing to say that Jones will stay on in any capacity once a permanent manager is found. If there is no role for him in the new setup he will leave and go somewhere else/
It's very normal for number two to go, if he is such a treasure surely he will not lower himself to being some sort of youth team coach !
Do we want to really go back to the days of white and booker ? Where we change managers but the coaching staff stays the same?
What ever Gus did not do, he got it spot on getting shot of those two and hInsh as well! Where are those great coaching talents now?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I don't get the dislike for Jones on here. Surely none of really know enough about the guy and his abilities to think we have more insight than TB, PB et al. (This is not aimed at any one person in particular, it's just a general theme.)[/p][/quote]I understand where your coming from, but we don't want to lose managers because they must take jones! His cv has nothing on it to be honest, he got this job because he was fluent in Spanish, he now looks like a patsy for the suits , if that's not true I feel sorry for him, but his continued employment makes OG was on his own . Again no mention of jones in OG parting letter ? You would have thought that would be top of his list ?[/p][/quote]But there's also nothing to say that Jones will stay on in any capacity once a permanent manager is found. If there is no role for him in the new setup he will leave and go somewhere else/[/p][/quote]It's very normal for number two to go, if he is such a treasure surely he will not lower himself to being some sort of youth team coach ! Do we want to really go back to the days of white and booker ? Where we change managers but the coaching staff stays the same? What ever Gus did not do, he got it spot on getting shot of those two and hInsh as well! Where are those great coaching talents now? mark by the sea
  • Score: 8

8:01pm Mon 19 May 14

namgo49 says...

The Celta Viga boss (formerly Barca B boss a la Oscar) has just gone to Barcelona on a two year deal. Odds on he will be replaced at that Club by Oscar. I say again will we get compensation for him breaking his contract with us????? If not, why not??
The Celta Viga boss (formerly Barca B boss a la Oscar) has just gone to Barcelona on a two year deal. Odds on he will be replaced at that Club by Oscar. I say again will we get compensation for him breaking his contract with us????? If not, why not?? namgo49
  • Score: 3

8:01pm Mon 19 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
It seems most available managers are being linked to the Norwich job at the moment probably because of the parachute money they will have more to spend. It looks like Malcky Mac is favourite to go there now, but once that job is filled then perhaps the other available managers will focus their attention on other vacancies like the Albion job. Even so I'd hope we are being more proactive than the reports suggest and try to get Sherwood on board, or Hughton, good managers aren't unemployed for long and if there really has been no contact then it's very disappointing indeed. This Clement from Real Madrid may be good but he doesn't know the championship from experience and must be a bit of a gamble, otherwise what sort of manager are we going to end up with? I would have pushed the boat out a bit to get Mackay, Sherwood or Hughton in and not hung around while other clubs step in. It seems to take an eternity for anything to get done and we'll be at the back of the que if we don't pull our socks up.
What does Sherwood know of the Championship? If it bars Clement then it should bar TS as well.
Ok, well, Sherwood is based in the country, knows the English game very well having played at both premier AND championship level. He will have dealt with players going out on loan at clubs in the championship as well so will have attended championship games many times. So all in all I'd say TS knows quite a substantial amount of the championship! Mr Clement has probably done none of these things, not to say he won't do a good job at all but he won't have had Sherwoods experience. Will that do?
Paul Clement has extensive experience of coaching in this country, so he will also be aware of the game at Championship level (all of which has changed since either man actually had relevant experience of it, though).
Try looking at it another way, if we were a spanish segunda league club looking for a manager, would we want Tim Sherwood, or someone established at one of the biggest clubs in Spain with experience of that particular league and culture? It's about knowing your onions, if you want good English onions then employ an English onion farmer, ie Tim Sherwood, if it's Spanish onions you're after then a Spanish onion farmer is the answer, ie Clement. I just think Sherwood would be better for us, Clement might be fantastic for all we know but there's more of a risk of the unknown there. Of course it might be that neither of these two get the job, only Bloom has the answers.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: It seems most available managers are being linked to the Norwich job at the moment probably because of the parachute money they will have more to spend. It looks like Malcky Mac is favourite to go there now, but once that job is filled then perhaps the other available managers will focus their attention on other vacancies like the Albion job. Even so I'd hope we are being more proactive than the reports suggest and try to get Sherwood on board, or Hughton, good managers aren't unemployed for long and if there really has been no contact then it's very disappointing indeed. This Clement from Real Madrid may be good but he doesn't know the championship from experience and must be a bit of a gamble, otherwise what sort of manager are we going to end up with? I would have pushed the boat out a bit to get Mackay, Sherwood or Hughton in and not hung around while other clubs step in. It seems to take an eternity for anything to get done and we'll be at the back of the que if we don't pull our socks up.[/p][/quote]What does Sherwood know of the Championship? If it bars Clement then it should bar TS as well.[/p][/quote]Ok, well, Sherwood is based in the country, knows the English game very well having played at both premier AND championship level. He will have dealt with players going out on loan at clubs in the championship as well so will have attended championship games many times. So all in all I'd say TS knows quite a substantial amount of the championship! Mr Clement has probably done none of these things, not to say he won't do a good job at all but he won't have had Sherwoods experience. Will that do?[/p][/quote]Paul Clement has extensive experience of coaching in this country, so he will also be aware of the game at Championship level (all of which has changed since either man actually had relevant experience of it, though).[/p][/quote]Try looking at it another way, if we were a spanish segunda league club looking for a manager, would we want Tim Sherwood, or someone established at one of the biggest clubs in Spain with experience of that particular league and culture? It's about knowing your onions, if you want good English onions then employ an English onion farmer, ie Tim Sherwood, if it's Spanish onions you're after then a Spanish onion farmer is the answer, ie Clement. I just think Sherwood would be better for us, Clement might be fantastic for all we know but there's more of a risk of the unknown there. Of course it might be that neither of these two get the job, only Bloom has the answers. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 2

8:03pm Mon 19 May 14

ringtone says...

gordongull wrote:
Tim Sherwood's picture is appearing on this site with remarkable regularity. This is the fourth article about him in less than a week.
Remarkable because there is not even the most tenuous link connecting him with the B&HA job.
Unless you consider the Bookies to be a link. I don't believe for a moment that the Bookies think TS will be our next Manager, but they will no doubt make money out of it anyway.
We have been told that the new man will have the title of 'Manager'. We have also been told that his responsibilities will be identical to those of Oscar whose title was 'Coach'. This is sure to set alarm bells ringing with any potential candidate with his own ideas about team-building.
Sherwood, with his ''high media profile'', and relative success with a top six Prem' side will see himself as Premier League Ready, and if he can't get a job in the top flight, I wouldn't be surprised to see him concentrate on media work until one comes along.
Tony Bloom and David Burke will be looking for someone with a far lower profile than Sherwood, so both sides will be incompatible.
You are the best poster on this site.

Your articles are a joy to read, i am serious.

You are Premier league ready.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Tim Sherwood's picture is appearing on this site with remarkable regularity. This is the fourth article about him in less than a week. Remarkable because there is not even the most tenuous link connecting him with the B&HA job. Unless you consider the Bookies to be a link. I don't believe for a moment that the Bookies think TS will be our next Manager, but they will no doubt make money out of it anyway. We have been told that the new man will have the title of 'Manager'. We have also been told that his responsibilities will be identical to those of Oscar whose title was 'Coach'. This is sure to set alarm bells ringing with any potential candidate with his own ideas about team-building. Sherwood, with his ''high media profile'', and relative success with a top six Prem' side will see himself as Premier League Ready, and if he can't get a job in the top flight, I wouldn't be surprised to see him concentrate on media work until one comes along. Tony Bloom and David Burke will be looking for someone with a far lower profile than Sherwood, so both sides will be incompatible.[/p][/quote]You are the best poster on this site. Your articles are a joy to read, i am serious. You are Premier league ready. ringtone
  • Score: -1

8:27pm Mon 19 May 14

gordongull says...

ringtone wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Tim Sherwood's picture is appearing on this site with remarkable regularity. This is the fourth article about him in less than a week.
Remarkable because there is not even the most tenuous link connecting him with the B&HA job.
Unless you consider the Bookies to be a link. I don't believe for a moment that the Bookies think TS will be our next Manager, but they will no doubt make money out of it anyway.
We have been told that the new man will have the title of 'Manager'. We have also been told that his responsibilities will be identical to those of Oscar whose title was 'Coach'. This is sure to set alarm bells ringing with any potential candidate with his own ideas about team-building.
Sherwood, with his ''high media profile'', and relative success with a top six Prem' side will see himself as Premier League Ready, and if he can't get a job in the top flight, I wouldn't be surprised to see him concentrate on media work until one comes along.
Tony Bloom and David Burke will be looking for someone with a far lower profile than Sherwood, so both sides will be incompatible.
You are the best poster on this site.

Your articles are a joy to read, i am serious.

You are Premier league ready.
You are Wind-Up Merchant of the Year, Ringtone, so it looks like a Mutual Appreciation Society.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Tim Sherwood's picture is appearing on this site with remarkable regularity. This is the fourth article about him in less than a week. Remarkable because there is not even the most tenuous link connecting him with the B&HA job. Unless you consider the Bookies to be a link. I don't believe for a moment that the Bookies think TS will be our next Manager, but they will no doubt make money out of it anyway. We have been told that the new man will have the title of 'Manager'. We have also been told that his responsibilities will be identical to those of Oscar whose title was 'Coach'. This is sure to set alarm bells ringing with any potential candidate with his own ideas about team-building. Sherwood, with his ''high media profile'', and relative success with a top six Prem' side will see himself as Premier League Ready, and if he can't get a job in the top flight, I wouldn't be surprised to see him concentrate on media work until one comes along. Tony Bloom and David Burke will be looking for someone with a far lower profile than Sherwood, so both sides will be incompatible.[/p][/quote]You are the best poster on this site. Your articles are a joy to read, i am serious. You are Premier league ready.[/p][/quote]You are Wind-Up Merchant of the Year, Ringtone, so it looks like a Mutual Appreciation Society. gordongull
  • Score: 5

8:58pm Mon 19 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
It seems most available managers are being linked to the Norwich job at the moment probably because of the parachute money they will have more to spend. It looks like Malcky Mac is favourite to go there now, but once that job is filled then perhaps the other available managers will focus their attention on other vacancies like the Albion job. Even so I'd hope we are being more proactive than the reports suggest and try to get Sherwood on board, or Hughton, good managers aren't unemployed for long and if there really has been no contact then it's very disappointing indeed. This Clement from Real Madrid may be good but he doesn't know the championship from experience and must be a bit of a gamble, otherwise what sort of manager are we going to end up with? I would have pushed the boat out a bit to get Mackay, Sherwood or Hughton in and not hung around while other clubs step in. It seems to take an eternity for anything to get done and we'll be at the back of the que if we don't pull our socks up.
What does Sherwood know of the Championship? If it bars Clement then it should bar TS as well.
Ok, well, Sherwood is based in the country, knows the English game very well having played at both premier AND championship level. He will have dealt with players going out on loan at clubs in the championship as well so will have attended championship games many times. So all in all I'd say TS knows quite a substantial amount of the championship! Mr Clement has probably done none of these things, not to say he won't do a good job at all but he won't have had Sherwoods experience. Will that do?
Paul Clement has extensive experience of coaching in this country, so he will also be aware of the game at Championship level (all of which has changed since either man actually had relevant experience of it, though).
Try looking at it another way, if we were a spanish segunda league club looking for a manager, would we want Tim Sherwood, or someone established at one of the biggest clubs in Spain with experience of that particular league and culture? It's about knowing your onions, if you want good English onions then employ an English onion farmer, ie Tim Sherwood, if it's Spanish onions you're after then a Spanish onion farmer is the answer, ie Clement. I just think Sherwood would be better for us, Clement might be fantastic for all we know but there's more of a risk of the unknown there. Of course it might be that neither of these two get the job, only Bloom has the answers.
A fairer comparison would be: if we were a Spanish segunda league club looking for a manager, would we want a Spaniard who had managed in Spain, or another Spaniard who had coached in both Spain and another country.

Both Sherwood and Clement have experience of the English leagues. Clement has only recently started working in Spain so the fact he is there at one of the very biggest clubs should not count against him. Your onion analogy makes it seem as if you think Clement is Spanish... he isn't. He is very British.
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: It seems most available managers are being linked to the Norwich job at the moment probably because of the parachute money they will have more to spend. It looks like Malcky Mac is favourite to go there now, but once that job is filled then perhaps the other available managers will focus their attention on other vacancies like the Albion job. Even so I'd hope we are being more proactive than the reports suggest and try to get Sherwood on board, or Hughton, good managers aren't unemployed for long and if there really has been no contact then it's very disappointing indeed. This Clement from Real Madrid may be good but he doesn't know the championship from experience and must be a bit of a gamble, otherwise what sort of manager are we going to end up with? I would have pushed the boat out a bit to get Mackay, Sherwood or Hughton in and not hung around while other clubs step in. It seems to take an eternity for anything to get done and we'll be at the back of the que if we don't pull our socks up.[/p][/quote]What does Sherwood know of the Championship? If it bars Clement then it should bar TS as well.[/p][/quote]Ok, well, Sherwood is based in the country, knows the English game very well having played at both premier AND championship level. He will have dealt with players going out on loan at clubs in the championship as well so will have attended championship games many times. So all in all I'd say TS knows quite a substantial amount of the championship! Mr Clement has probably done none of these things, not to say he won't do a good job at all but he won't have had Sherwoods experience. Will that do?[/p][/quote]Paul Clement has extensive experience of coaching in this country, so he will also be aware of the game at Championship level (all of which has changed since either man actually had relevant experience of it, though).[/p][/quote]Try looking at it another way, if we were a spanish segunda league club looking for a manager, would we want Tim Sherwood, or someone established at one of the biggest clubs in Spain with experience of that particular league and culture? It's about knowing your onions, if you want good English onions then employ an English onion farmer, ie Tim Sherwood, if it's Spanish onions you're after then a Spanish onion farmer is the answer, ie Clement. I just think Sherwood would be better for us, Clement might be fantastic for all we know but there's more of a risk of the unknown there. Of course it might be that neither of these two get the job, only Bloom has the answers.[/p][/quote]A fairer comparison would be: if we were a Spanish segunda league club looking for a manager, would we want a Spaniard who had managed in Spain, or another Spaniard who had coached in both Spain and another country. Both Sherwood and Clement have experience of the English leagues. Clement has only recently started working in Spain so the fact he is there at one of the very biggest clubs should not count against him. Your onion analogy makes it seem as if you think Clement is Spanish... he isn't. He is very British. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

9:19pm Mon 19 May 14

Claude Back says...

namgo49 wrote:
The Celta Viga boss (formerly Barca B boss a la Oscar) has just gone to Barcelona on a two year deal. Odds on he will be replaced at that Club by Oscar. I say again will we get compensation for him breaking his contract with us????? If not, why not??
TB accepted his resignation so there is no compensation in my view. If he had not done so we might have a case if he had just walked out. There is a difference. Does that help?
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: The Celta Viga boss (formerly Barca B boss a la Oscar) has just gone to Barcelona on a two year deal. Odds on he will be replaced at that Club by Oscar. I say again will we get compensation for him breaking his contract with us????? If not, why not??[/p][/quote]TB accepted his resignation so there is no compensation in my view. If he had not done so we might have a case if he had just walked out. There is a difference. Does that help? Claude Back
  • Score: 5

9:22pm Mon 19 May 14

Claude Back says...

gordongull wrote:
ringtone wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Tim Sherwood's picture is appearing on this site with remarkable regularity. This is the fourth article about him in less than a week.
Remarkable because there is not even the most tenuous link connecting him with the B&HA job.
Unless you consider the Bookies to be a link. I don't believe for a moment that the Bookies think TS will be our next Manager, but they will no doubt make money out of it anyway.
We have been told that the new man will have the title of 'Manager'. We have also been told that his responsibilities will be identical to those of Oscar whose title was 'Coach'. This is sure to set alarm bells ringing with any potential candidate with his own ideas about team-building.
Sherwood, with his ''high media profile'', and relative success with a top six Prem' side will see himself as Premier League Ready, and if he can't get a job in the top flight, I wouldn't be surprised to see him concentrate on media work until one comes along.
Tony Bloom and David Burke will be looking for someone with a far lower profile than Sherwood, so both sides will be incompatible.
You are the best poster on this site.

Your articles are a joy to read, i am serious.

You are Premier league ready.
You are Wind-Up Merchant of the Year, Ringtone, so it looks like a Mutual Appreciation Society.
I am jealous of your accolade, Gordon.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Tim Sherwood's picture is appearing on this site with remarkable regularity. This is the fourth article about him in less than a week. Remarkable because there is not even the most tenuous link connecting him with the B&HA job. Unless you consider the Bookies to be a link. I don't believe for a moment that the Bookies think TS will be our next Manager, but they will no doubt make money out of it anyway. We have been told that the new man will have the title of 'Manager'. We have also been told that his responsibilities will be identical to those of Oscar whose title was 'Coach'. This is sure to set alarm bells ringing with any potential candidate with his own ideas about team-building. Sherwood, with his ''high media profile'', and relative success with a top six Prem' side will see himself as Premier League Ready, and if he can't get a job in the top flight, I wouldn't be surprised to see him concentrate on media work until one comes along. Tony Bloom and David Burke will be looking for someone with a far lower profile than Sherwood, so both sides will be incompatible.[/p][/quote]You are the best poster on this site. Your articles are a joy to read, i am serious. You are Premier league ready.[/p][/quote]You are Wind-Up Merchant of the Year, Ringtone, so it looks like a Mutual Appreciation Society.[/p][/quote]I am jealous of your accolade, Gordon. Claude Back
  • Score: 3

9:23pm Mon 19 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
It seems most available managers are being linked to the Norwich job at the moment probably because of the parachute money they will have more to spend. It looks like Malcky Mac is favourite to go there now, but once that job is filled then perhaps the other available managers will focus their attention on other vacancies like the Albion job. Even so I'd hope we are being more proactive than the reports suggest and try to get Sherwood on board, or Hughton, good managers aren't unemployed for long and if there really has been no contact then it's very disappointing indeed. This Clement from Real Madrid may be good but he doesn't know the championship from experience and must be a bit of a gamble, otherwise what sort of manager are we going to end up with? I would have pushed the boat out a bit to get Mackay, Sherwood or Hughton in and not hung around while other clubs step in. It seems to take an eternity for anything to get done and we'll be at the back of the que if we don't pull our socks up.
What does Sherwood know of the Championship? If it bars Clement then it should bar TS as well.
Ok, well, Sherwood is based in the country, knows the English game very well having played at both premier AND championship level. He will have dealt with players going out on loan at clubs in the championship as well so will have attended championship games many times. So all in all I'd say TS knows quite a substantial amount of the championship! Mr Clement has probably done none of these things, not to say he won't do a good job at all but he won't have had Sherwoods experience. Will that do?
Paul Clement has extensive experience of coaching in this country, so he will also be aware of the game at Championship level (all of which has changed since either man actually had relevant experience of it, though).
Try looking at it another way, if we were a spanish segunda league club looking for a manager, would we want Tim Sherwood, or someone established at one of the biggest clubs in Spain with experience of that particular league and culture? It's about knowing your onions, if you want good English onions then employ an English onion farmer, ie Tim Sherwood, if it's Spanish onions you're after then a Spanish onion farmer is the answer, ie Clement. I just think Sherwood would be better for us, Clement might be fantastic for all we know but there's more of a risk of the unknown there. Of course it might be that neither of these two get the job, only Bloom has the answers.
A fairer comparison would be: if we were a Spanish segunda league club looking for a manager, would we want a Spaniard who had managed in Spain, or another Spaniard who had coached in both Spain and another country.

Both Sherwood and Clement have experience of the English leagues. Clement has only recently started working in Spain so the fact he is there at one of the very biggest clubs should not count against him. Your onion analogy makes it seem as if you think Clement is Spanish... he isn't. He is very British.
Initially I assumed he was Spanish, but regardless of onions, let's just hope that we don't end up with a cabbage.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: It seems most available managers are being linked to the Norwich job at the moment probably because of the parachute money they will have more to spend. It looks like Malcky Mac is favourite to go there now, but once that job is filled then perhaps the other available managers will focus their attention on other vacancies like the Albion job. Even so I'd hope we are being more proactive than the reports suggest and try to get Sherwood on board, or Hughton, good managers aren't unemployed for long and if there really has been no contact then it's very disappointing indeed. This Clement from Real Madrid may be good but he doesn't know the championship from experience and must be a bit of a gamble, otherwise what sort of manager are we going to end up with? I would have pushed the boat out a bit to get Mackay, Sherwood or Hughton in and not hung around while other clubs step in. It seems to take an eternity for anything to get done and we'll be at the back of the que if we don't pull our socks up.[/p][/quote]What does Sherwood know of the Championship? If it bars Clement then it should bar TS as well.[/p][/quote]Ok, well, Sherwood is based in the country, knows the English game very well having played at both premier AND championship level. He will have dealt with players going out on loan at clubs in the championship as well so will have attended championship games many times. So all in all I'd say TS knows quite a substantial amount of the championship! Mr Clement has probably done none of these things, not to say he won't do a good job at all but he won't have had Sherwoods experience. Will that do?[/p][/quote]Paul Clement has extensive experience of coaching in this country, so he will also be aware of the game at Championship level (all of which has changed since either man actually had relevant experience of it, though).[/p][/quote]Try looking at it another way, if we were a spanish segunda league club looking for a manager, would we want Tim Sherwood, or someone established at one of the biggest clubs in Spain with experience of that particular league and culture? It's about knowing your onions, if you want good English onions then employ an English onion farmer, ie Tim Sherwood, if it's Spanish onions you're after then a Spanish onion farmer is the answer, ie Clement. I just think Sherwood would be better for us, Clement might be fantastic for all we know but there's more of a risk of the unknown there. Of course it might be that neither of these two get the job, only Bloom has the answers.[/p][/quote]A fairer comparison would be: if we were a Spanish segunda league club looking for a manager, would we want a Spaniard who had managed in Spain, or another Spaniard who had coached in both Spain and another country. Both Sherwood and Clement have experience of the English leagues. Clement has only recently started working in Spain so the fact he is there at one of the very biggest clubs should not count against him. Your onion analogy makes it seem as if you think Clement is Spanish... he isn't. He is very British.[/p][/quote]Initially I assumed he was Spanish, but regardless of onions, let's just hope that we don't end up with a cabbage. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 2

9:37pm Mon 19 May 14

gordongull says...

Claude Back wrote:
gordongull wrote:
ringtone wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Tim Sherwood's picture is appearing on this site with remarkable regularity. This is the fourth article about him in less than a week.
Remarkable because there is not even the most tenuous link connecting him with the B&HA job.
Unless you consider the Bookies to be a link. I don't believe for a moment that the Bookies think TS will be our next Manager, but they will no doubt make money out of it anyway.
We have been told that the new man will have the title of 'Manager'. We have also been told that his responsibilities will be identical to those of Oscar whose title was 'Coach'. This is sure to set alarm bells ringing with any potential candidate with his own ideas about team-building.
Sherwood, with his ''high media profile'', and relative success with a top six Prem' side will see himself as Premier League Ready, and if he can't get a job in the top flight, I wouldn't be surprised to see him concentrate on media work until one comes along.
Tony Bloom and David Burke will be looking for someone with a far lower profile than Sherwood, so both sides will be incompatible.
You are the best poster on this site.

Your articles are a joy to read, i am serious.

You are Premier league ready.
You are Wind-Up Merchant of the Year, Ringtone, so it looks like a Mutual Appreciation Society.
I am jealous of your accolade, Gordon.
Reading between the lines, do I detect a hint of jealousy, Claude?
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Tim Sherwood's picture is appearing on this site with remarkable regularity. This is the fourth article about him in less than a week. Remarkable because there is not even the most tenuous link connecting him with the B&HA job. Unless you consider the Bookies to be a link. I don't believe for a moment that the Bookies think TS will be our next Manager, but they will no doubt make money out of it anyway. We have been told that the new man will have the title of 'Manager'. We have also been told that his responsibilities will be identical to those of Oscar whose title was 'Coach'. This is sure to set alarm bells ringing with any potential candidate with his own ideas about team-building. Sherwood, with his ''high media profile'', and relative success with a top six Prem' side will see himself as Premier League Ready, and if he can't get a job in the top flight, I wouldn't be surprised to see him concentrate on media work until one comes along. Tony Bloom and David Burke will be looking for someone with a far lower profile than Sherwood, so both sides will be incompatible.[/p][/quote]You are the best poster on this site. Your articles are a joy to read, i am serious. You are Premier league ready.[/p][/quote]You are Wind-Up Merchant of the Year, Ringtone, so it looks like a Mutual Appreciation Society.[/p][/quote]I am jealous of your accolade, Gordon.[/p][/quote]Reading between the lines, do I detect a hint of jealousy, Claude? gordongull
  • Score: 0

9:57pm Mon 19 May 14

rolivan says...

Whoever gets the job will know that they have to compete with 3 clubs that will have received over £60m each plus parachute payments also if Derby win the playoff there will be Reading Wigan and QPR still receiving Payments and no doubt a few others from previous years . This FFP is proving to be anything but . I hope that the Meeting that is due will sort this out once and foraall . Man City have been fined £15m which isn't really a penalty at all if tgey are serious clubs should be deducted points first and foremost.
Whoever gets the job will know that they have to compete with 3 clubs that will have received over £60m each plus parachute payments also if Derby win the playoff there will be Reading Wigan and QPR still receiving Payments and no doubt a few others from previous years . This FFP is proving to be anything but . I hope that the Meeting that is due will sort this out once and foraall . Man City have been fined £15m which isn't really a penalty at all if tgey are serious clubs should be deducted points first and foremost. rolivan
  • Score: 3

10:13pm Mon 19 May 14

gordongull says...

rolivan wrote:
Whoever gets the job will know that they have to compete with 3 clubs that will have received over £60m each plus parachute payments also if Derby win the playoff there will be Reading Wigan and QPR still receiving Payments and no doubt a few others from previous years . This FFP is proving to be anything but . I hope that the Meeting that is due will sort this out once and foraall . Man City have been fined £15m which isn't really a penalty at all if tgey are serious clubs should be deducted points first and foremost.
Norwich
Fulham
Cardiff
QPR (if they lose on Saturday)
Wigan
Reading
Blackburn
Bolton
Blackpool
Birmingham
Wolves
Over 40% of Championship clubs will be receiving parachute payments next season.
The only good news is that clubs are no longer allowed to go bust trying to compete with these Premier League windfalls.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: Whoever gets the job will know that they have to compete with 3 clubs that will have received over £60m each plus parachute payments also if Derby win the playoff there will be Reading Wigan and QPR still receiving Payments and no doubt a few others from previous years . This FFP is proving to be anything but . I hope that the Meeting that is due will sort this out once and foraall . Man City have been fined £15m which isn't really a penalty at all if tgey are serious clubs should be deducted points first and foremost.[/p][/quote]Norwich Fulham Cardiff QPR (if they lose on Saturday) Wigan Reading Blackburn Bolton Blackpool Birmingham Wolves Over 40% of Championship clubs will be receiving parachute payments next season. The only good news is that clubs are no longer allowed to go bust trying to compete with these Premier League windfalls. gordongull
  • Score: 2

10:23pm Mon 19 May 14

Sussex J says...

Although not in the betting some sources are linking us with Sami Hyypia (along with other clubs such as Norwich and a West Brom).

Views?
Although not in the betting some sources are linking us with Sami Hyypia (along with other clubs such as Norwich and a West Brom). Views? Sussex J
  • Score: -1

10:42pm Mon 19 May 14

Sussex J says...

On another topic, does anyone know what happened with Jake Forster-Caskey in tonight's England U21 match. Went on with about 11 minutes to go and substituted 6 minutes later. Not a serious injury I hope.
On another topic, does anyone know what happened with Jake Forster-Caskey in tonight's England U21 match. Went on with about 11 minutes to go and substituted 6 minutes later. Not a serious injury I hope. Sussex J
  • Score: 1

11:46pm Mon 19 May 14

gordongull says...

Just noticed that pjwilk has got 21 thumbs down for putting Brian McDermott's name forward. (Would have been 22 if I hadn't reduced the deficit). What has McDermott done wrong, that makes him less appealing than prospective candidates who have no experience of managing in the Championship, and have never won anything?
McDermott won the Title with Reading in 2011/2012 which is as recent as two seasons ago. What more could we ask for on a candidate's CV?
Sometimes new owners dismiss a good Manager, or make things so difficult that they walk away. (Sam Allardyce at Blackburn springs to mind). I think Brian McDermott is in a similar situation, and could be a realistic target.for the vacancy at B&HA.
McDermott has all the credentials needed for the job. You need Championship experience to get out of this Division, but since Malky Mackay dropped out of the picture, no-one with Championship experience is being mentioned. Why?
Just noticed that pjwilk has got 21 thumbs down for putting Brian McDermott's name forward. (Would have been 22 if I hadn't reduced the deficit). What has McDermott done wrong, that makes him less appealing than prospective candidates who have no experience of managing in the Championship, and have never won anything? McDermott won the Title with Reading in 2011/2012 which is as recent as two seasons ago. What more could we ask for on a candidate's CV? Sometimes new owners dismiss a good Manager, or make things so difficult that they walk away. (Sam Allardyce at Blackburn springs to mind). I think Brian McDermott is in a similar situation, and could be a realistic target.for the vacancy at B&HA. McDermott has all the credentials needed for the job. You need Championship experience to get out of this Division, but since Malky Mackay dropped out of the picture, no-one with Championship experience is being mentioned. Why? gordongull
  • Score: 3

11:50pm Mon 19 May 14

OldGull says...

Reading many of the comments on here , it is apparent many many open the mouths before engaging the brains.
If you are going to comment on possible candidates, do a bit of research on your PC
Clement is English,
He worked at Chelsea for 4 years. Including being a 1st team coach when they won the double in 2010.
Ancelotti rates him so highly that he took him to PSG and then Real Madrid.
So , He is English, has experience of the premier league and has worked with the best.
So in my book he would be a very good choice.
Whereas many on here use the logic
"I have never heard of him therefor he is rubbish"
UTA
Reading many of the comments on here , it is apparent many many open the mouths before engaging the brains. If you are going to comment on possible candidates, do a bit of research on your PC Clement is English, He worked at Chelsea for 4 years. Including being a 1st team coach when they won the double in 2010. Ancelotti rates him so highly that he took him to PSG and then Real Madrid. So , He is English, has experience of the premier league and has worked with the best. So in my book he would be a very good choice. Whereas many on here use the logic "I have never heard of him therefor he is rubbish" UTA OldGull
  • Score: 0

11:56pm Mon 19 May 14

gordongull says...

OldGull wrote:
Reading many of the comments on here , it is apparent many many open the mouths before engaging the brains.
If you are going to comment on possible candidates, do a bit of research on your PC
Clement is English,
He worked at Chelsea for 4 years. Including being a 1st team coach when they won the double in 2010.
Ancelotti rates him so highly that he took him to PSG and then Real Madrid.
So , He is English, has experience of the premier league and has worked with the best.
So in my book he would be a very good choice.
Whereas many on here use the logic
"I have never heard of him therefor he is rubbish"
UTA
Is he more qualified for the job than Brian McDermott?
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: Reading many of the comments on here , it is apparent many many open the mouths before engaging the brains. If you are going to comment on possible candidates, do a bit of research on your PC Clement is English, He worked at Chelsea for 4 years. Including being a 1st team coach when they won the double in 2010. Ancelotti rates him so highly that he took him to PSG and then Real Madrid. So , He is English, has experience of the premier league and has worked with the best. So in my book he would be a very good choice. Whereas many on here use the logic "I have never heard of him therefor he is rubbish" UTA[/p][/quote]Is he more qualified for the job than Brian McDermott? gordongull
  • Score: 1

12:17am Tue 20 May 14

Mancgulled says...

http://footballleagu
eworld.co.uk/sami-hy
ypia-target-for-west
-brom-norwich-and-br
ighton/

interesting choice!
http://footballleagu eworld.co.uk/sami-hy ypia-target-for-west -brom-norwich-and-br ighton/ interesting choice! Mancgulled
  • Score: -1

1:15am Tue 20 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Isn't it obvious. When two strong minded men walked out/one pushed out - it's clear that they are not looking for that type of manager but one who is prepared to take on working for a Head of Football who is unlikely to have the level of experience in any areas of the game as the manager.

Another point is that it appears the new man will have to accept Nathan Jones as his assistant. Would a really experienced manager be willing to do this. No sleight on Nathan or David Burke - just stating the obvious with really experienced managers.

So to me it looks an odds on cert that Paul Clement is their preferred choice. Fits their bill perfectly. Desperate and hungry to try his hand in management for the first time and more likely to co-operate with whatever happens above him - for a while anyway.

Champions League Final only a few days away now so I guess we'll wait till then to hear some news. He has worked with a very class manager in Ancellotti so that's a big plus. Let's see - fascinating to observe the 'play'!

One things for sure - it'll all turn out the way it's meant to for everyone's best interests so that all can learn whatever it is they're here to learn.

Whoever it is. We will still be there next season come rain or shine.
The Head of Football Operations is a guy who has extensive experience in that particular facet of running a football club. Far more so than OG did. He was also a decent non-league player if memory serves, so that is all neither here nor there.

But the main point is, why do you think the new man having to accept Nathan Jones is a definite? If a new man wanted to bring in his own assistant then Jones will be moved on with some kind of compensation package, but until that time what is the point in getting rid of him? The club are keeping their options open, and that must be the right thing to do.
My apologies EPA as I'm not aware of his extensive experience in the position of Head of Football Operations. Can you tell us which positions these have been? Re Nathan Jones: I didn't actually say that the new man having to accept Nathan is a definite. I said 'it appears that way' and my reasoning for this is based on a sense I get that Nathan is highly regarded by the people in charge and from the seemingly large influence he had in his role.

Watching all the interviews and how he interacted with OG gave me the impression that he had quite a say in things. Just a gut feeling and - as you quite rightly say - it's neither here nor there as what will be will be. It will be interesting to see what happens and all will be revealed - then we can see.

As I mentioned we'll still be there!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: Isn't it obvious. When two strong minded men walked out/one pushed out - it's clear that they are not looking for that type of manager but one who is prepared to take on working for a Head of Football who is unlikely to have the level of experience in any areas of the game as the manager. Another point is that it appears the new man will have to accept Nathan Jones as his assistant. Would a really experienced manager be willing to do this. No sleight on Nathan or David Burke - just stating the obvious with really experienced managers. So to me it looks an odds on cert that Paul Clement is their preferred choice. Fits their bill perfectly. Desperate and hungry to try his hand in management for the first time and more likely to co-operate with whatever happens above him - for a while anyway. Champions League Final only a few days away now so I guess we'll wait till then to hear some news. He has worked with a very class manager in Ancellotti so that's a big plus. Let's see - fascinating to observe the 'play'! One things for sure - it'll all turn out the way it's meant to for everyone's best interests so that all can learn whatever it is they're here to learn. Whoever it is. We will still be there next season come rain or shine.[/p][/quote]The Head of Football Operations is a guy who has extensive experience in that particular facet of running a football club. Far more so than OG did. He was also a decent non-league player if memory serves, so that is all neither here nor there. But the main point is, why do you think the new man having to accept Nathan Jones is a definite? If a new man wanted to bring in his own assistant then Jones will be moved on with some kind of compensation package, but until that time what is the point in getting rid of him? The club are keeping their options open, and that must be the right thing to do.[/p][/quote]My apologies EPA as I'm not aware of his extensive experience in the position of Head of Football Operations. Can you tell us which positions these have been? Re Nathan Jones: I didn't actually say that the new man having to accept Nathan is a definite. I said 'it appears that way' and my reasoning for this is based on a sense I get that Nathan is highly regarded by the people in charge and from the seemingly large influence he had in his role. Watching all the interviews and how he interacted with OG gave me the impression that he had quite a say in things. Just a gut feeling and - as you quite rightly say - it's neither here nor there as what will be will be. It will be interesting to see what happens and all will be revealed - then we can see. As I mentioned we'll still be there! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: -1

3:39am Tue 20 May 14

mark by the sea says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Isn't it obvious. When two strong minded men walked out/one pushed out - it's clear that they are not looking for that type of manager but one who is prepared to take on working for a Head of Football who is unlikely to have the level of experience in any areas of the game as the manager.

Another point is that it appears the new man will have to accept Nathan Jones as his assistant. Would a really experienced manager be willing to do this. No sleight on Nathan or David Burke - just stating the obvious with really experienced managers.

So to me it looks an odds on cert that Paul Clement is their preferred choice. Fits their bill perfectly. Desperate and hungry to try his hand in management for the first time and more likely to co-operate with whatever happens above him - for a while anyway.

Champions League Final only a few days away now so I guess we'll wait till then to hear some news. He has worked with a very class manager in Ancellotti so that's a big plus. Let's see - fascinating to observe the 'play'!

One things for sure - it'll all turn out the way it's meant to for everyone's best interests so that all can learn whatever it is they're here to learn.

Whoever it is. We will still be there next season come rain or shine.
The Head of Football Operations is a guy who has extensive experience in that particular facet of running a football club. Far more so than OG did. He was also a decent non-league player if memory serves, so that is all neither here nor there.

But the main point is, why do you think the new man having to accept Nathan Jones is a definite? If a new man wanted to bring in his own assistant then Jones will be moved on with some kind of compensation package, but until that time what is the point in getting rid of him? The club are keeping their options open, and that must be the right thing to do.
My apologies EPA as I'm not aware of his extensive experience in the position of Head of Football Operations. Can you tell us which positions these have been? Re Nathan Jones: I didn't actually say that the new man having to accept Nathan is a definite. I said 'it appears that way' and my reasoning for this is based on a sense I get that Nathan is highly regarded by the people in charge and from the seemingly large influence he had in his role.

Watching all the interviews and how he interacted with OG gave me the impression that he had quite a say in things. Just a gut feeling and - as you quite rightly say - it's neither here nor there as what will be will be. It will be interesting to see what happens and all will be revealed - then we can see.

As I mentioned we'll still be there!
There list also a difference between Burkes role at spurs and the one he is doing now, I very much doubt he had the say he does here with release lists etc, he probably had a less of a hands on role.
As for jones , I can't see clement coming with the proviso jones is nailed to the dug out!! Or are we saying Burke has say in that area too?
A managers number 2 needs to be trusted! Lol
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: Isn't it obvious. When two strong minded men walked out/one pushed out - it's clear that they are not looking for that type of manager but one who is prepared to take on working for a Head of Football who is unlikely to have the level of experience in any areas of the game as the manager. Another point is that it appears the new man will have to accept Nathan Jones as his assistant. Would a really experienced manager be willing to do this. No sleight on Nathan or David Burke - just stating the obvious with really experienced managers. So to me it looks an odds on cert that Paul Clement is their preferred choice. Fits their bill perfectly. Desperate and hungry to try his hand in management for the first time and more likely to co-operate with whatever happens above him - for a while anyway. Champions League Final only a few days away now so I guess we'll wait till then to hear some news. He has worked with a very class manager in Ancellotti so that's a big plus. Let's see - fascinating to observe the 'play'! One things for sure - it'll all turn out the way it's meant to for everyone's best interests so that all can learn whatever it is they're here to learn. Whoever it is. We will still be there next season come rain or shine.[/p][/quote]The Head of Football Operations is a guy who has extensive experience in that particular facet of running a football club. Far more so than OG did. He was also a decent non-league player if memory serves, so that is all neither here nor there. But the main point is, why do you think the new man having to accept Nathan Jones is a definite? If a new man wanted to bring in his own assistant then Jones will be moved on with some kind of compensation package, but until that time what is the point in getting rid of him? The club are keeping their options open, and that must be the right thing to do.[/p][/quote]My apologies EPA as I'm not aware of his extensive experience in the position of Head of Football Operations. Can you tell us which positions these have been? Re Nathan Jones: I didn't actually say that the new man having to accept Nathan is a definite. I said 'it appears that way' and my reasoning for this is based on a sense I get that Nathan is highly regarded by the people in charge and from the seemingly large influence he had in his role. Watching all the interviews and how he interacted with OG gave me the impression that he had quite a say in things. Just a gut feeling and - as you quite rightly say - it's neither here nor there as what will be will be. It will be interesting to see what happens and all will be revealed - then we can see. As I mentioned we'll still be there![/p][/quote]There list also a difference between Burkes role at spurs and the one he is doing now, I very much doubt he had the say he does here with release lists etc, he probably had a less of a hands on role. As for jones , I can't see clement coming with the proviso jones is nailed to the dug out!! Or are we saying Burke has say in that area too? A managers number 2 needs to be trusted! Lol mark by the sea
  • Score: -1

7:45am Tue 20 May 14

bbb1969 says...

Sussex J wrote:
On another topic, does anyone know what happened with Jake Forster-Caskey in tonight's England U21 match. Went on with about 11 minutes to go and substituted 6 minutes later. Not a serious injury I hope.
Came on until the end of the match. Lingard played very well.no it was Kane that came on and got injured straight away and JFC
[quote][p][bold]Sussex J[/bold] wrote: On another topic, does anyone know what happened with Jake Forster-Caskey in tonight's England U21 match. Went on with about 11 minutes to go and substituted 6 minutes later. Not a serious injury I hope.[/p][/quote]Came on until the end of the match. Lingard played very well.no it was Kane that came on and got injured straight away and JFC bbb1969
  • Score: 1

8:01am Tue 20 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

mark by the sea wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Isn't it obvious. When two strong minded men walked out/one pushed out - it's clear that they are not looking for that type of manager but one who is prepared to take on working for a Head of Football who is unlikely to have the level of experience in any areas of the game as the manager.

Another point is that it appears the new man will have to accept Nathan Jones as his assistant. Would a really experienced manager be willing to do this. No sleight on Nathan or David Burke - just stating the obvious with really experienced managers.

So to me it looks an odds on cert that Paul Clement is their preferred choice. Fits their bill perfectly. Desperate and hungry to try his hand in management for the first time and more likely to co-operate with whatever happens above him - for a while anyway.

Champions League Final only a few days away now so I guess we'll wait till then to hear some news. He has worked with a very class manager in Ancellotti so that's a big plus. Let's see - fascinating to observe the 'play'!

One things for sure - it'll all turn out the way it's meant to for everyone's best interests so that all can learn whatever it is they're here to learn.

Whoever it is. We will still be there next season come rain or shine.
The Head of Football Operations is a guy who has extensive experience in that particular facet of running a football club. Far more so than OG did. He was also a decent non-league player if memory serves, so that is all neither here nor there.

But the main point is, why do you think the new man having to accept Nathan Jones is a definite? If a new man wanted to bring in his own assistant then Jones will be moved on with some kind of compensation package, but until that time what is the point in getting rid of him? The club are keeping their options open, and that must be the right thing to do.
My apologies EPA as I'm not aware of his extensive experience in the position of Head of Football Operations. Can you tell us which positions these have been? Re Nathan Jones: I didn't actually say that the new man having to accept Nathan is a definite. I said 'it appears that way' and my reasoning for this is based on a sense I get that Nathan is highly regarded by the people in charge and from the seemingly large influence he had in his role.

Watching all the interviews and how he interacted with OG gave me the impression that he had quite a say in things. Just a gut feeling and - as you quite rightly say - it's neither here nor there as what will be will be. It will be interesting to see what happens and all will be revealed - then we can see.

As I mentioned we'll still be there!
There list also a difference between Burkes role at spurs and the one he is doing now, I very much doubt he had the say he does here with release lists etc, he probably had a less of a hands on role.
As for jones , I can't see clement coming with the proviso jones is nailed to the dug out!! Or are we saying Burke has say in that area too?
A managers number 2 needs to be trusted! Lol
I absolutely believe he has a say in that. This is one of my concerns and has been ever since he was appointed and I had the interesting experience of meeting him at Lancing's ground one evening at a DS match.

I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with the guy it's just that I have a concern about something I see a lot of in many businesses which is 'round pegs in square holes and vice versa. Very often, it's not necessary to get rid of someone just a case of putting the right pegs in the holes that fit! Then everyone feels 'at home' and the unit functions more smoothly. He didn't seem to be much of a people person or leader - though I could imagine him as a scout reporting back to someone else. When people get into positions out of their depth they often need to puff themselves up in order to camouflage their inadequacy in the role they are in.

I'm not 'blaming' anyone it is just so obvious that the unit is not a smooth running unit because the evidence is so clear for all to see - you don't get such constant changes of key personnel when a unit is running smoothly and I am not blinded by the apparent success we have enjoyed over the past three seasons, despite appreciating it immensely. I would like to see more harmony within the club as that is when we will really see the club thrive when stability is there - even the players are voicing that opinion publicly!

I found Tony Bloom's interview quite revealing. He was clearly uncomfortable trying to explain Oscar's departure. To begin blaming Oscar for a lack of communication was very revealing. When you point your finger to blame someone else there's always three fingers pointing back at yourself as a reminder where to look!!!

He mentioned that he and his Board colleagues were disappointed on the train going back to Brighton as they understood that Oscar had mentioned to the players that he might not be here next season! We seem to have heard that before from last year. I'd be interested to know from whom did they hear that? As Oscar mentioned in his article that he hadn't spoken to anyone from the Board. Did they hear it from one of the players? Did they hear it from one of the coaching staff? Could they answer that as it would give a clearer picture of who is saying what.

Did Tony or anyone from the directorate visit Oscar and the team after the match to offer support in their lowest moment. That's what good leaders do - show up when things have gone badly. They don't need support when they are buzzing after a great success but when they are suffering such a devastating loss is when support is most appreciated! Oscar's reaction when Ulloa scored that last minute winner at Notts Forest didn't seem to be of a man that knew he wouldn't be staying at the club.

Anyway I've rattled on for long enough but I know that there are many supporters who share the same concerns about who is deciding what as you can see from many of the posts and even the media interviews are pressing the point. Anyway the old saying is true 'The truth will always out eventually' and as I said before we will get a clearer picture when we find out the whole new management set up for the new season. Every picture tells a story.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: Isn't it obvious. When two strong minded men walked out/one pushed out - it's clear that they are not looking for that type of manager but one who is prepared to take on working for a Head of Football who is unlikely to have the level of experience in any areas of the game as the manager. Another point is that it appears the new man will have to accept Nathan Jones as his assistant. Would a really experienced manager be willing to do this. No sleight on Nathan or David Burke - just stating the obvious with really experienced managers. So to me it looks an odds on cert that Paul Clement is their preferred choice. Fits their bill perfectly. Desperate and hungry to try his hand in management for the first time and more likely to co-operate with whatever happens above him - for a while anyway. Champions League Final only a few days away now so I guess we'll wait till then to hear some news. He has worked with a very class manager in Ancellotti so that's a big plus. Let's see - fascinating to observe the 'play'! One things for sure - it'll all turn out the way it's meant to for everyone's best interests so that all can learn whatever it is they're here to learn. Whoever it is. We will still be there next season come rain or shine.[/p][/quote]The Head of Football Operations is a guy who has extensive experience in that particular facet of running a football club. Far more so than OG did. He was also a decent non-league player if memory serves, so that is all neither here nor there. But the main point is, why do you think the new man having to accept Nathan Jones is a definite? If a new man wanted to bring in his own assistant then Jones will be moved on with some kind of compensation package, but until that time what is the point in getting rid of him? The club are keeping their options open, and that must be the right thing to do.[/p][/quote]My apologies EPA as I'm not aware of his extensive experience in the position of Head of Football Operations. Can you tell us which positions these have been? Re Nathan Jones: I didn't actually say that the new man having to accept Nathan is a definite. I said 'it appears that way' and my reasoning for this is based on a sense I get that Nathan is highly regarded by the people in charge and from the seemingly large influence he had in his role. Watching all the interviews and how he interacted with OG gave me the impression that he had quite a say in things. Just a gut feeling and - as you quite rightly say - it's neither here nor there as what will be will be. It will be interesting to see what happens and all will be revealed - then we can see. As I mentioned we'll still be there![/p][/quote]There list also a difference between Burkes role at spurs and the one he is doing now, I very much doubt he had the say he does here with release lists etc, he probably had a less of a hands on role. As for jones , I can't see clement coming with the proviso jones is nailed to the dug out!! Or are we saying Burke has say in that area too? A managers number 2 needs to be trusted! Lol[/p][/quote]I absolutely believe he has a say in that. This is one of my concerns and has been ever since he was appointed and I had the interesting experience of meeting him at Lancing's ground one evening at a DS match. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with the guy it's just that I have a concern about something I see a lot of in many businesses which is 'round pegs in square holes and vice versa. Very often, it's not necessary to get rid of someone just a case of putting the right pegs in the holes that fit! Then everyone feels 'at home' and the unit functions more smoothly. He didn't seem to be much of a people person or leader - though I could imagine him as a scout reporting back to someone else. When people get into positions out of their depth they often need to puff themselves up in order to camouflage their inadequacy in the role they are in. I'm not 'blaming' anyone it is just so obvious that the unit is not a smooth running unit because the evidence is so clear for all to see - you don't get such constant changes of key personnel when a unit is running smoothly and I am not blinded by the apparent success we have enjoyed over the past three seasons, despite appreciating it immensely. I would like to see more harmony within the club as that is when we will really see the club thrive when stability is there - even the players are voicing that opinion publicly! I found Tony Bloom's interview quite revealing. He was clearly uncomfortable trying to explain Oscar's departure. To begin blaming Oscar for a lack of communication was very revealing. When you point your finger to blame someone else there's always three fingers pointing back at yourself as a reminder where to look!!! He mentioned that he and his Board colleagues were disappointed on the train going back to Brighton as they understood that Oscar had mentioned to the players that he might not be here next season! We seem to have heard that before from last year. I'd be interested to know from whom did they hear that? As Oscar mentioned in his article that he hadn't spoken to anyone from the Board. Did they hear it from one of the players? Did they hear it from one of the coaching staff? Could they answer that as it would give a clearer picture of who is saying what. Did Tony or anyone from the directorate visit Oscar and the team after the match to offer support in their lowest moment. That's what good leaders do - show up when things have gone badly. They don't need support when they are buzzing after a great success but when they are suffering such a devastating loss is when support is most appreciated! Oscar's reaction when Ulloa scored that last minute winner at Notts Forest didn't seem to be of a man that knew he wouldn't be staying at the club. Anyway I've rattled on for long enough but I know that there are many supporters who share the same concerns about who is deciding what as you can see from many of the posts and even the media interviews are pressing the point. Anyway the old saying is true 'The truth will always out eventually' and as I said before we will get a clearer picture when we find out the whole new management set up for the new season. Every picture tells a story. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 2

8:22am Tue 20 May 14

OldGull says...

gordongull wrote:
OldGull wrote:
Reading many of the comments on here , it is apparent many many open the mouths before engaging the brains.
If you are going to comment on possible candidates, do a bit of research on your PC
Clement is English,
He worked at Chelsea for 4 years. Including being a 1st team coach when they won the double in 2010.
Ancelotti rates him so highly that he took him to PSG and then Real Madrid.
So , He is English, has experience of the premier league and has worked with the best.
So in my book he would be a very good choice.
Whereas many on here use the logic
"I have never heard of him therefor he is rubbish"
UTA
Is he more qualified for the job than Brian McDermott?
No, but at this time BM is still in a job.

No one knows who TB is considering , not even the bookies.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: Reading many of the comments on here , it is apparent many many open the mouths before engaging the brains. If you are going to comment on possible candidates, do a bit of research on your PC Clement is English, He worked at Chelsea for 4 years. Including being a 1st team coach when they won the double in 2010. Ancelotti rates him so highly that he took him to PSG and then Real Madrid. So , He is English, has experience of the premier league and has worked with the best. So in my book he would be a very good choice. Whereas many on here use the logic "I have never heard of him therefor he is rubbish" UTA[/p][/quote]Is he more qualified for the job than Brian McDermott?[/p][/quote]No, but at this time BM is still in a job. No one knows who TB is considering , not even the bookies. OldGull
  • Score: 1

1:12pm Tue 20 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Just a thought re the backroom staff and Jones. When our new manager arrives, and if he is allowed to replace a large number of the backroom staff, the club wil have some hefty payoffs to make as all will be on a contract and will need to be paid to go.
Just a thought re the backroom staff and Jones. When our new manager arrives, and if he is allowed to replace a large number of the backroom staff, the club wil have some hefty payoffs to make as all will be on a contract and will need to be paid to go. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

8:37pm Tue 20 May 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Just a thought re the backroom staff and Jones. When our new manager arrives, and if he is allowed to replace a large number of the backroom staff, the club wil have some hefty payoffs to make as all will be on a contract and will need to be paid to go.
Coaching badges
No compensation
Backroom staff in place
Continuity
Championship experience as Assistant Coach
Willing to work with DOF

Could TB be tempted?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Just a thought re the backroom staff and Jones. When our new manager arrives, and if he is allowed to replace a large number of the backroom staff, the club wil have some hefty payoffs to make as all will be on a contract and will need to be paid to go.[/p][/quote]Coaching badges No compensation Backroom staff in place Continuity Championship experience as Assistant Coach Willing to work with DOF Could TB be tempted? gordongull
  • Score: 0

2:59pm Thu 22 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Isn't it obvious. When two strong minded men walked out/one pushed out - it's clear that they are not looking for that type of manager but one who is prepared to take on working for a Head of Football who is unlikely to have the level of experience in any areas of the game as the manager.

Another point is that it appears the new man will have to accept Nathan Jones as his assistant. Would a really experienced manager be willing to do this. No sleight on Nathan or David Burke - just stating the obvious with really experienced managers.

So to me it looks an odds on cert that Paul Clement is their preferred choice. Fits their bill perfectly. Desperate and hungry to try his hand in management for the first time and more likely to co-operate with whatever happens above him - for a while anyway.

Champions League Final only a few days away now so I guess we'll wait till then to hear some news. He has worked with a very class manager in Ancellotti so that's a big plus. Let's see - fascinating to observe the 'play'!

One things for sure - it'll all turn out the way it's meant to for everyone's best interests so that all can learn whatever it is they're here to learn.

Whoever it is. We will still be there next season come rain or shine.
Good post. I broadly agree with everything you say with one exception.

I don't think Nathan Jones is a guaranteed fixture at all. The reason he is still in situ at the moment is that firstly Tony Bloom will wait to see who his next managerial appointment would like as their assistant(s). Depending who gets the gig, there's any number of scenarios to do with backroom teams. If Tim Sherwood were to come for example, he would probably want to bring Les Ferdinand and Chris Ramsey with him and we would go with that. However, someone like Paul Clement or Steve Clarke may be more open to working with who we have.

In any event, I think Tony is simply not going to sack someone for the sake of it as it is wasteful. Furthermore, it's handy to have him around as well as David Burke to oversee the day-to-day team stuff over the next few days until the managerial appointment is made.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: Isn't it obvious. When two strong minded men walked out/one pushed out - it's clear that they are not looking for that type of manager but one who is prepared to take on working for a Head of Football who is unlikely to have the level of experience in any areas of the game as the manager. Another point is that it appears the new man will have to accept Nathan Jones as his assistant. Would a really experienced manager be willing to do this. No sleight on Nathan or David Burke - just stating the obvious with really experienced managers. So to me it looks an odds on cert that Paul Clement is their preferred choice. Fits their bill perfectly. Desperate and hungry to try his hand in management for the first time and more likely to co-operate with whatever happens above him - for a while anyway. Champions League Final only a few days away now so I guess we'll wait till then to hear some news. He has worked with a very class manager in Ancellotti so that's a big plus. Let's see - fascinating to observe the 'play'! One things for sure - it'll all turn out the way it's meant to for everyone's best interests so that all can learn whatever it is they're here to learn. Whoever it is. We will still be there next season come rain or shine.[/p][/quote]Good post. I broadly agree with everything you say with one exception. I don't think Nathan Jones is a guaranteed fixture at all. The reason he is still in situ at the moment is that firstly Tony Bloom will wait to see who his next managerial appointment would like as their assistant(s). Depending who gets the gig, there's any number of scenarios to do with backroom teams. If Tim Sherwood were to come for example, he would probably want to bring Les Ferdinand and Chris Ramsey with him and we would go with that. However, someone like Paul Clement or Steve Clarke may be more open to working with who we have. In any event, I think Tony is simply not going to sack someone for the sake of it as it is wasteful. Furthermore, it's handy to have him around as well as David Burke to oversee the day-to-day team stuff over the next few days until the managerial appointment is made. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

3:01pm Thu 22 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Isn't it obvious. When two strong minded men walked out/one pushed out - it's clear that they are not looking for that type of manager but one who is prepared to take on working for a Head of Football who is unlikely to have the level of experience in any areas of the game as the manager.

Another point is that it appears the new man will have to accept Nathan Jones as his assistant. Would a really experienced manager be willing to do this. No sleight on Nathan or David Burke - just stating the obvious with really experienced managers.

So to me it looks an odds on cert that Paul Clement is their preferred choice. Fits their bill perfectly. Desperate and hungry to try his hand in management for the first time and more likely to co-operate with whatever happens above him - for a while anyway.

Champions League Final only a few days away now so I guess we'll wait till then to hear some news. He has worked with a very class manager in Ancellotti so that's a big plus. Let's see - fascinating to observe the 'play'!

One things for sure - it'll all turn out the way it's meant to for everyone's best interests so that all can learn whatever it is they're here to learn.

Whoever it is. We will still be there next season come rain or shine.
The Head of Football Operations is a guy who has extensive experience in that particular facet of running a football club. Far more so than OG did. He was also a decent non-league player if memory serves, so that is all neither here nor there.

But the main point is, why do you think the new man having to accept Nathan Jones is a definite? If a new man wanted to bring in his own assistant then Jones will be moved on with some kind of compensation package, but until that time what is the point in getting rid of him? The club are keeping their options open, and that must be the right thing to do.
Sorry, have just read this and it sums up what I was trying to say far more concisely and to the point! Good work Arnie!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: Isn't it obvious. When two strong minded men walked out/one pushed out - it's clear that they are not looking for that type of manager but one who is prepared to take on working for a Head of Football who is unlikely to have the level of experience in any areas of the game as the manager. Another point is that it appears the new man will have to accept Nathan Jones as his assistant. Would a really experienced manager be willing to do this. No sleight on Nathan or David Burke - just stating the obvious with really experienced managers. So to me it looks an odds on cert that Paul Clement is their preferred choice. Fits their bill perfectly. Desperate and hungry to try his hand in management for the first time and more likely to co-operate with whatever happens above him - for a while anyway. Champions League Final only a few days away now so I guess we'll wait till then to hear some news. He has worked with a very class manager in Ancellotti so that's a big plus. Let's see - fascinating to observe the 'play'! One things for sure - it'll all turn out the way it's meant to for everyone's best interests so that all can learn whatever it is they're here to learn. Whoever it is. We will still be there next season come rain or shine.[/p][/quote]The Head of Football Operations is a guy who has extensive experience in that particular facet of running a football club. Far more so than OG did. He was also a decent non-league player if memory serves, so that is all neither here nor there. But the main point is, why do you think the new man having to accept Nathan Jones is a definite? If a new man wanted to bring in his own assistant then Jones will be moved on with some kind of compensation package, but until that time what is the point in getting rid of him? The club are keeping their options open, and that must be the right thing to do.[/p][/quote]Sorry, have just read this and it sums up what I was trying to say far more concisely and to the point! Good work Arnie! Captain Haddock
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Captain Haddock says...

ballantrrae wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Ok get the thumbs down ready!!
This is if what he has stated is ridiculous, if he has not spoken to the club or even if he is in the frame actually with TB then are we looking at another week maybe two before the club appoint a new manager.
I got thumbs down in the last article for stating the club is telling us nothing solid. Many have said on here before we are the backbone of the club without us there would be no club I also agree that when it comes to maybe signing a player it is kept close to the chest but this is a manager we are looking for so why can the club give us some news on how things are progressing or not if that is the case, stating "we have many high profile people asking about the position" is really not telling us a lot is it?
Whilst it is frustrating for us fans Rhodes Seagull not to know who TB is considering as our new Manager I do understand why the club want to 'keep discussions under wraps'.
Firstly looking at it from the prospective Managers perspective they might not want their name released particularly if they don't land the job.
Secondly BHA would not want to be seen to have offered the position to one Manager and then been turned down and then say offer it to a second who then perhaps also turns us down before say finally being accepted by the third candidate. It would send out the wrong signal to everybody especially to players we might want to sign. Furthermore it effectively undermines the authority of whoever is actually appointed. I think TB is in fact still drawing up a short list.
Interesting to note that in response to enquiries by the Argus that both Mackay's and Zola's agents have distanced their clients from the position.
No such negative response is reported from either Sherwood or Clement. All Sherwood is saying is that he hasn't spoken to BHA or been offered the job. Importantly he hasn't said he wouldn't be interested. In Clement's case Real Madrid are gearing up for Saturday's Champions League final and therefore it is unlikely he would want to be approached until after that (of course his agent might have been sounded out).
I continue to think people like Steve Clarke, Karl Robinson, Di Matteo or a recently retired player like Neville (with an experienced No 2) continue to be worth considering. Whoever it is I am sure TB will (a) ensure that their English is good (if they are foreign) and (b) try to assess if they are going to be relatively easy to get on with unlike the reserved Oscar. That does not mean to say that they are in any way a 'yes' man but more they are easy to communicate with.
Actually it's not just the appointment of the new Manager that is important but the whole of the team he wants to bring in.. Furthermore TB is going to have to ensure (as far as it is practical to do so) that there will be a smooth working relationship between the new Manager and DB our Head of Football as a result of the 'problems' Oscar felt he was having on the recruitment side.. It should of course be recognised and agreed that it is the new Manager who drives player recruitment within the budget and the HOF who should help him to achieve the agreed signing of players needed.
I don't think the interview process will start for a few days yet (especially
given Clement's situation) but would hope that an appointment is made by the end of the month. This would give TB plenty of time to consider and research the candidates but at the same time get someone in sooner rather than later to crack on with the recruiting of new players We all know that there is a considerable amount of restructuring of the squad required so the new Manager will need time to assess exactly what should be done.. If he joins at the end of May he will only have a month left before pre-season training begins.
So important decisions are needed over the next 12 days or so and if we the fans are (frustratingly) left in the dark so be it. However it is important that the right man is brought in for the long term if we are to achieve our dream of reaching the PL or at least to be given the best possible chance of reaching it. UTA.
Hear hear! Superb post, B.

One point though, I hope that it will NOT ONLY be foreign managers that have a good command of English!!! ;0)
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: Ok get the thumbs down ready!! This is if what he has stated is ridiculous, if he has not spoken to the club or even if he is in the frame actually with TB then are we looking at another week maybe two before the club appoint a new manager. I got thumbs down in the last article for stating the club is telling us nothing solid. Many have said on here before we are the backbone of the club without us there would be no club I also agree that when it comes to maybe signing a player it is kept close to the chest but this is a manager we are looking for so why can the club give us some news on how things are progressing or not if that is the case, stating "we have many high profile people asking about the position" is really not telling us a lot is it?[/p][/quote]Whilst it is frustrating for us fans Rhodes Seagull not to know who TB is considering as our new Manager I do understand why the club want to 'keep discussions under wraps'. Firstly looking at it from the prospective Managers perspective they might not want their name released particularly if they don't land the job. Secondly BHA would not want to be seen to have offered the position to one Manager and then been turned down and then say offer it to a second who then perhaps also turns us down before say finally being accepted by the third candidate. It would send out the wrong signal to everybody especially to players we might want to sign. Furthermore it effectively undermines the authority of whoever is actually appointed. I think TB is in fact still drawing up a short list. Interesting to note that in response to enquiries by the Argus that both Mackay's and Zola's agents have distanced their clients from the position. No such negative response is reported from either Sherwood or Clement. All Sherwood is saying is that he hasn't spoken to BHA or been offered the job. Importantly he hasn't said he wouldn't be interested. In Clement's case Real Madrid are gearing up for Saturday's Champions League final and therefore it is unlikely he would want to be approached until after that (of course his agent might have been sounded out). I continue to think people like Steve Clarke, Karl Robinson, Di Matteo or a recently retired player like Neville (with an experienced No 2) continue to be worth considering. Whoever it is I am sure TB will (a) ensure that their English is good (if they are foreign) and (b) try to assess if they are going to be relatively easy to get on with unlike the reserved Oscar. That does not mean to say that they are in any way a 'yes' man but more they are easy to communicate with. Actually it's not just the appointment of the new Manager that is important but the whole of the team he wants to bring in.. Furthermore TB is going to have to ensure (as far as it is practical to do so) that there will be a smooth working relationship between the new Manager and DB our Head of Football as a result of the 'problems' Oscar felt he was having on the recruitment side.. It should of course be recognised and agreed that it is the new Manager who drives player recruitment within the budget and the HOF who should help him to achieve the agreed signing of players needed. I don't think the interview process will start for a few days yet (especially given Clement's situation) but would hope that an appointment is made by the end of the month. This would give TB plenty of time to consider and research the candidates but at the same time get someone in sooner rather than later to crack on with the recruiting of new players We all know that there is a considerable amount of restructuring of the squad required so the new Manager will need time to assess exactly what should be done.. If he joins at the end of May he will only have a month left before pre-season training begins. So important decisions are needed over the next 12 days or so and if we the fans are (frustratingly) left in the dark so be it. However it is important that the right man is brought in for the long term if we are to achieve our dream of reaching the PL or at least to be given the best possible chance of reaching it. UTA.[/p][/quote]Hear hear! Superb post, B. One point though, I hope that it will NOT ONLY be foreign managers that have a good command of English!!! ;0) Captain Haddock
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