Toko gets his dream move

Nzuzi Toko at the Amex yesterday. Picture by Paul Hazlewood

Nzuzi Toko at the Amex yesterday. Picture by Paul Hazlewood

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Albion last night kicked off plans for the new season – by agreeing a dream move for a Switzerland under-21 midfielder.

The Seagulls are set to snap up Nzuzi Toko on a free transfer on July 1 when his current contract at Swiss side Grasshoppers expires.

But fans are still waiting to learn who will be in charge of the new boy and his colleagues next term.

Toko, 23, made 122 starts for Grasshoppers and scored seven goals having progressed through the youth ranks.

He joined their football school in 2003 after his family moved to Zurich from Kinshasa when he was just four years old.

Toko turned down the chance to join youth set-ups in Germany and France as a schoolboy.

But, speaking during his time in Zurich, he admitted: “It’s a dream to play abroad.

“I’ve got that ambition but each day I try to do my work. If I do that well, everything else will come.”

Toko made three friendly appearances for DR Congo before opting to play international football for Switzerland.

He has appeared nine times for the Swiss under-21s.

The Seagulls’ interest in Toko was first revealed in The Argus last Thursday.

Albion chairman Tony Bloom said: “We concluded a deal to sign Toko before their season and ours had ended.

“Now that Toko has completed the season with Grasshopper Zurich we are delighted to welcome him to Brighton and Hove Albion.”

Toko helped Grasshoppers to their first Super League title for ten years in 2012-13.

They followed that with runners-up spot behind Basle in the season which finished at the weekend.

Tim Sherwood last night remained favourite to become Albion’s new boss.

Chris Hughton could also be a contender. It is thought West Brom’s interest in the former Birmingham and Norwich boss has cooled somewhat since they were close to hiring him this time last year.

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5:48am Wed 21 May 14

paul6391 says...

Bringing players in that may or may not suit the next manager, i reckon the next manager will be in place 3 weeks before the new season starts..please please don't even consider hughton........
Bringing players in that may or may not suit the next manager, i reckon the next manager will be in place 3 weeks before the new season starts..please please don't even consider hughton........ paul6391
  • Score: 12

5:53am Wed 21 May 14

JeffLomer says...

Morning boys,

What I've seen off the lad hopefully we have someone to fit nicely alongside croft when fit again and ince, this lad can tackle but will probably pick up alot off cards championships probably a lit quicker football than what he is used too, anyway good signing just need 2 goalkeepers, 3-4 defenders, 2-3 midfielders, 2-3 strikers, o yer and a manager how did I forget that one, looks like a busy summer!!
Up the Albion!!!!
Morning boys, What I've seen off the lad hopefully we have someone to fit nicely alongside croft when fit again and ince, this lad can tackle but will probably pick up alot off cards championships probably a lit quicker football than what he is used too, anyway good signing just need 2 goalkeepers, 3-4 defenders, 2-3 midfielders, 2-3 strikers, o yer and a manager how did I forget that one, looks like a busy summer!! Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 18

6:24am Wed 21 May 14

mark by the sea says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Morning boys,

What I've seen off the lad hopefully we have someone to fit nicely alongside croft when fit again and ince, this lad can tackle but will probably pick up alot off cards championships probably a lit quicker football than what he is used too, anyway good signing just need 2 goalkeepers, 3-4 defenders, 2-3 midfielders, 2-3 strikers, o yer and a manager how did I forget that one, looks like a busy summer!!
Up the Albion!!!!
No idea why you have a thumbs down! What your saying is true! This guy is a tackler .. He will get lots of cards! However from the videos on YouTube , he has good technique .. Pace , and can spot danger and close that down.
My problem is our squad is full of piano movers, but not one can play!
( Brian clough ) we need a creative midfielder, JFC is not up to it , he may be 19 , but he lacks technique , pace and physique ..
I do like toko from his video, bags of energy , and does not react to the drama queens when they roll over after being tackled..
Joe cole would be ideal behind ulloa .
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Morning boys, What I've seen off the lad hopefully we have someone to fit nicely alongside croft when fit again and ince, this lad can tackle but will probably pick up alot off cards championships probably a lit quicker football than what he is used too, anyway good signing just need 2 goalkeepers, 3-4 defenders, 2-3 midfielders, 2-3 strikers, o yer and a manager how did I forget that one, looks like a busy summer!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]No idea why you have a thumbs down! What your saying is true! This guy is a tackler .. He will get lots of cards! However from the videos on YouTube , he has good technique .. Pace , and can spot danger and close that down. My problem is our squad is full of piano movers, but not one can play! ( Brian clough ) we need a creative midfielder, JFC is not up to it , he may be 19 , but he lacks technique , pace and physique .. I do like toko from his video, bags of energy , and does not react to the drama queens when they roll over after being tackled.. Joe cole would be ideal behind ulloa . mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

6:33am Wed 21 May 14

namgo49 says...

If he does get a start, he will get a minimum of two reds this season and ten yellows. Intense training will be required to bring him up to pace. Not at all convinced!
If he does get a start, he will get a minimum of two reds this season and ten yellows. Intense training will be required to bring him up to pace. Not at all convinced! namgo49
  • Score: -34

6:39am Wed 21 May 14

mark by the sea says...

namgo49 wrote:
If he does get a start, he will get a minimum of two reds this season and ten yellows. Intense training will be required to bring him up to pace. Not at all convinced!
Maybe, but only one tackle looked rash, he will have to learn not to tackle in the box, but he has energy and pace, both things missing in our midfield .
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: If he does get a start, he will get a minimum of two reds this season and ten yellows. Intense training will be required to bring him up to pace. Not at all convinced![/p][/quote]Maybe, but only one tackle looked rash, he will have to learn not to tackle in the box, but he has energy and pace, both things missing in our midfield . mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

6:54am Wed 21 May 14

JeffLomer says...

mark by the sea wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Morning boys,

What I've seen off the lad hopefully we have someone to fit nicely alongside croft when fit again and ince, this lad can tackle but will probably pick up alot off cards championships probably a lit quicker football than what he is used too, anyway good signing just need 2 goalkeepers, 3-4 defenders, 2-3 midfielders, 2-3 strikers, o yer and a manager how did I forget that one, looks like a busy summer!!
Up the Albion!!!!
No idea why you have a thumbs down! What your saying is true! This guy is a tackler .. He will get lots of cards! However from the videos on YouTube , he has good technique .. Pace , and can spot danger and close that down.
My problem is our squad is full of piano movers, but not one can play!
( Brian clough ) we need a creative midfielder, JFC is not up to it , he may be 19 , but he lacks technique , pace and physique ..
I do like toko from his video, bags of energy , and does not react to the drama queens when they roll over after being tackled..
Joe cole would be ideal behind ulloa .
Morning Mark,
To be honest I'm not bothered about thumbs down from anyone, but your find people who do that will not reply and say why they disagree,

I posted about Joe Cole when he was released by west ham I got thumbs down for suggesting we take him on a FREE, ideal player for our club for 2-3 years, hope we don't leave it to long about signing Ward on a permanent deal good defender full off energy, Jesse will be let go at united I think I can't see him breaking in to there first team, I'm trying to think off a quality keeper who we might bring in, Jake will be a good player but must stop going missing in some games, who would you like as our next manager Mark!! I don't think the two being mentioned will come, be surprised if one off them did, Steve Clarke for me if we cannot get one off the others being mentioned!!
Up the Albion
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Morning boys, What I've seen off the lad hopefully we have someone to fit nicely alongside croft when fit again and ince, this lad can tackle but will probably pick up alot off cards championships probably a lit quicker football than what he is used too, anyway good signing just need 2 goalkeepers, 3-4 defenders, 2-3 midfielders, 2-3 strikers, o yer and a manager how did I forget that one, looks like a busy summer!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]No idea why you have a thumbs down! What your saying is true! This guy is a tackler .. He will get lots of cards! However from the videos on YouTube , he has good technique .. Pace , and can spot danger and close that down. My problem is our squad is full of piano movers, but not one can play! ( Brian clough ) we need a creative midfielder, JFC is not up to it , he may be 19 , but he lacks technique , pace and physique .. I do like toko from his video, bags of energy , and does not react to the drama queens when they roll over after being tackled.. Joe cole would be ideal behind ulloa .[/p][/quote]Morning Mark, To be honest I'm not bothered about thumbs down from anyone, but your find people who do that will not reply and say why they disagree, I posted about Joe Cole when he was released by west ham I got thumbs down for suggesting we take him on a FREE, ideal player for our club for 2-3 years, hope we don't leave it to long about signing Ward on a permanent deal good defender full off energy, Jesse will be let go at united I think I can't see him breaking in to there first team, I'm trying to think off a quality keeper who we might bring in, Jake will be a good player but must stop going missing in some games, who would you like as our next manager Mark!! I don't think the two being mentioned will come, be surprised if one off them did, Steve Clarke for me if we cannot get one off the others being mentioned!! Up the Albion JeffLomer
  • Score: -2

6:56am Wed 21 May 14

AlfieT says...

Sherwood remains favourite, has he been interviewed yet, any contact at all from either party?
Sherwood remains favourite, has he been interviewed yet, any contact at all from either party? AlfieT
  • Score: -3

7:23am Wed 21 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

Is it Nathan Jones or Burke signing these players? Or has a prospective new manager requested that we sign him? I think it will be Hughton and that's a pretty good choice for us without a doubt.
Is it Nathan Jones or Burke signing these players? Or has a prospective new manager requested that we sign him? I think it will be Hughton and that's a pretty good choice for us without a doubt. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: -42

7:25am Wed 21 May 14

john newman says...

How can we make signings when the manager may have his own contacts and ideas? Who is going to inherit this group?
If a manager gets sacked then he should pick his men. Never see the faceless people getting the sack when it goes wrong
How can we make signings when the manager may have his own contacts and ideas? Who is going to inherit this group? If a manager gets sacked then he should pick his men. Never see the faceless people getting the sack when it goes wrong john newman
  • Score: 11

7:30am Wed 21 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

JeffLomer wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Morning boys,

What I've seen off the lad hopefully we have someone to fit nicely alongside croft when fit again and ince, this lad can tackle but will probably pick up alot off cards championships probably a lit quicker football than what he is used too, anyway good signing just need 2 goalkeepers, 3-4 defenders, 2-3 midfielders, 2-3 strikers, o yer and a manager how did I forget that one, looks like a busy summer!!
Up the Albion!!!!
No idea why you have a thumbs down! What your saying is true! This guy is a tackler .. He will get lots of cards! However from the videos on YouTube , he has good technique .. Pace , and can spot danger and close that down.
My problem is our squad is full of piano movers, but not one can play!
( Brian clough ) we need a creative midfielder, JFC is not up to it , he may be 19 , but he lacks technique , pace and physique ..
I do like toko from his video, bags of energy , and does not react to the drama queens when they roll over after being tackled..
Joe cole would be ideal behind ulloa .
Morning Mark,
To be honest I'm not bothered about thumbs down from anyone, but your find people who do that will not reply and say why they disagree,

I posted about Joe Cole when he was released by west ham I got thumbs down for suggesting we take him on a FREE, ideal player for our club for 2-3 years, hope we don't leave it to long about signing Ward on a permanent deal good defender full off energy, Jesse will be let go at united I think I can't see him breaking in to there first team, I'm trying to think off a quality keeper who we might bring in, Jake will be a good player but must stop going missing in some games, who would you like as our next manager Mark!! I don't think the two being mentioned will come, be surprised if one off them did, Steve Clarke for me if we cannot get one off the others being mentioned!!
Up the Albion
Steve Clark would be great. Tough as teak and deeply knowledgable - wouldn't stand for any crap that's for sure and no waffle either.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Morning boys, What I've seen off the lad hopefully we have someone to fit nicely alongside croft when fit again and ince, this lad can tackle but will probably pick up alot off cards championships probably a lit quicker football than what he is used too, anyway good signing just need 2 goalkeepers, 3-4 defenders, 2-3 midfielders, 2-3 strikers, o yer and a manager how did I forget that one, looks like a busy summer!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]No idea why you have a thumbs down! What your saying is true! This guy is a tackler .. He will get lots of cards! However from the videos on YouTube , he has good technique .. Pace , and can spot danger and close that down. My problem is our squad is full of piano movers, but not one can play! ( Brian clough ) we need a creative midfielder, JFC is not up to it , he may be 19 , but he lacks technique , pace and physique .. I do like toko from his video, bags of energy , and does not react to the drama queens when they roll over after being tackled.. Joe cole would be ideal behind ulloa .[/p][/quote]Morning Mark, To be honest I'm not bothered about thumbs down from anyone, but your find people who do that will not reply and say why they disagree, I posted about Joe Cole when he was released by west ham I got thumbs down for suggesting we take him on a FREE, ideal player for our club for 2-3 years, hope we don't leave it to long about signing Ward on a permanent deal good defender full off energy, Jesse will be let go at united I think I can't see him breaking in to there first team, I'm trying to think off a quality keeper who we might bring in, Jake will be a good player but must stop going missing in some games, who would you like as our next manager Mark!! I don't think the two being mentioned will come, be surprised if one off them did, Steve Clarke for me if we cannot get one off the others being mentioned!! Up the Albion[/p][/quote]Steve Clark would be great. Tough as teak and deeply knowledgable - wouldn't stand for any crap that's for sure and no waffle either. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 4

7:34am Wed 21 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

One thing that concerns me about that photo, that's last seasons shirt he's holding up, where's the new shirts? I'd have thought the club would want him holding the shirt he will actually play in.
One thing that concerns me about that photo, that's last seasons shirt he's holding up, where's the new shirts? I'd have thought the club would want him holding the shirt he will actually play in. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: -22

7:39am Wed 21 May 14

kipper12 says...

please not hughton !! under achieved in last few jobs and apparently not popular in the dressing room.........
please not hughton !! under achieved in last few jobs and apparently not popular in the dressing room......... kipper12
  • Score: 11

7:46am Wed 21 May 14

JeffLomer says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Morning boys,

What I've seen off the lad hopefully we have someone to fit nicely alongside croft when fit again and ince, this lad can tackle but will probably pick up alot off cards championships probably a lit quicker football than what he is used too, anyway good signing just need 2 goalkeepers, 3-4 defenders, 2-3 midfielders, 2-3 strikers, o yer and a manager how did I forget that one, looks like a busy summer!!
Up the Albion!!!!
No idea why you have a thumbs down! What your saying is true! This guy is a tackler .. He will get lots of cards! However from the videos on YouTube , he has good technique .. Pace , and can spot danger and close that down.
My problem is our squad is full of piano movers, but not one can play!
( Brian clough ) we need a creative midfielder, JFC is not up to it , he may be 19 , but he lacks technique , pace and physique ..
I do like toko from his video, bags of energy , and does not react to the drama queens when they roll over after being tackled..
Joe cole would be ideal behind ulloa .
Morning Mark,
To be honest I'm not bothered about thumbs down from anyone, but your find people who do that will not reply and say why they disagree,

I posted about Joe Cole when he was released by west ham I got thumbs down for suggesting we take him on a FREE, ideal player for our club for 2-3 years, hope we don't leave it to long about signing Ward on a permanent deal good defender full off energy, Jesse will be let go at united I think I can't see him breaking in to there first team, I'm trying to think off a quality keeper who we might bring in, Jake will be a good player but must stop going missing in some games, who would you like as our next manager Mark!! I don't think the two being mentioned will come, be surprised if one off them did, Steve Clarke for me if we cannot get one off the others being mentioned!!
Up the Albion
Steve Clark would be great. Tough as teak and deeply knowledgable - wouldn't stand for any crap that's for sure and no waffle either.
Morning wisdom, I totally agree about Steve Clarke he would be a good fit for Brighton, served his time under Mourinhio unlucky to lose his job at wba which nearly backed fired on them, Sherwood might be favourite at the bookies but that means nothing I doubt he has applied for the job, Steve Clarke all day long for me wisdom!!
Up the Albion!!!!
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Morning boys, What I've seen off the lad hopefully we have someone to fit nicely alongside croft when fit again and ince, this lad can tackle but will probably pick up alot off cards championships probably a lit quicker football than what he is used too, anyway good signing just need 2 goalkeepers, 3-4 defenders, 2-3 midfielders, 2-3 strikers, o yer and a manager how did I forget that one, looks like a busy summer!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]No idea why you have a thumbs down! What your saying is true! This guy is a tackler .. He will get lots of cards! However from the videos on YouTube , he has good technique .. Pace , and can spot danger and close that down. My problem is our squad is full of piano movers, but not one can play! ( Brian clough ) we need a creative midfielder, JFC is not up to it , he may be 19 , but he lacks technique , pace and physique .. I do like toko from his video, bags of energy , and does not react to the drama queens when they roll over after being tackled.. Joe cole would be ideal behind ulloa .[/p][/quote]Morning Mark, To be honest I'm not bothered about thumbs down from anyone, but your find people who do that will not reply and say why they disagree, I posted about Joe Cole when he was released by west ham I got thumbs down for suggesting we take him on a FREE, ideal player for our club for 2-3 years, hope we don't leave it to long about signing Ward on a permanent deal good defender full off energy, Jesse will be let go at united I think I can't see him breaking in to there first team, I'm trying to think off a quality keeper who we might bring in, Jake will be a good player but must stop going missing in some games, who would you like as our next manager Mark!! I don't think the two being mentioned will come, be surprised if one off them did, Steve Clarke for me if we cannot get one off the others being mentioned!! Up the Albion[/p][/quote]Steve Clark would be great. Tough as teak and deeply knowledgable - wouldn't stand for any crap that's for sure and no waffle either.[/p][/quote]Morning wisdom, I totally agree about Steve Clarke he would be a good fit for Brighton, served his time under Mourinhio unlucky to lose his job at wba which nearly backed fired on them, Sherwood might be favourite at the bookies but that means nothing I doubt he has applied for the job, Steve Clarke all day long for me wisdom!! Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 12

7:53am Wed 21 May 14

bbb1969 says...

Walton looks like he will feature if he does well in pre season; we all know what Ank is like so no. 3 keeper is covered unless Walton is not quite there yet.
Upson, Greer and Dunk at cb, we do need at least 1 there. Lb we need ward or we use chicksen and masi (I think he is still with us) and I would like to see another lb in if our ds lad is not ready.

Strikers would say realistically 1 more and see how Dickensen gets on with Ulloa and cms and finally 1 midfielder.

So realistically the shopping list is 1 gk, 1 lb, 1rb, 1cb, 1 creative mf and 1 forward.
Wingers we have in March, Buckers and lua lua but may need another so thats7 players in total as a minimum.
There are some solutions such as Ince covering at cb if the club retain Andrews and March can play central with Cms and Dickensen on the wings however need the players in and not getting a manager in quick means we are seeing burke and jones pick them from any scouting activity that has been going on.
Not convinced we will ger TS andHughton not my cup of tea.
I am assuming we are keeping all players we have left and no one else is leaving.
Walton looks like he will feature if he does well in pre season; we all know what Ank is like so no. 3 keeper is covered unless Walton is not quite there yet. Upson, Greer and Dunk at cb, we do need at least 1 there. Lb we need ward or we use chicksen and masi (I think he is still with us) and I would like to see another lb in if our ds lad is not ready. Strikers would say realistically 1 more and see how Dickensen gets on with Ulloa and cms and finally 1 midfielder. So realistically the shopping list is 1 gk, 1 lb, 1rb, 1cb, 1 creative mf and 1 forward. Wingers we have in March, Buckers and lua lua but may need another so thats7 players in total as a minimum. There are some solutions such as Ince covering at cb if the club retain Andrews and March can play central with Cms and Dickensen on the wings however need the players in and not getting a manager in quick means we are seeing burke and jones pick them from any scouting activity that has been going on. Not convinced we will ger TS andHughton not my cup of tea. I am assuming we are keeping all players we have left and no one else is leaving. bbb1969
  • Score: -5

8:19am Wed 21 May 14

JeffLomer says...

bbb1969 wrote:
Walton looks like he will feature if he does well in pre season; we all know what Ank is like so no. 3 keeper is covered unless Walton is not quite there yet.
Upson, Greer and Dunk at cb, we do need at least 1 there. Lb we need ward or we use chicksen and masi (I think he is still with us) and I would like to see another lb in if our ds lad is not ready.

Strikers would say realistically 1 more and see how Dickensen gets on with Ulloa and cms and finally 1 midfielder.

So realistically the shopping list is 1 gk, 1 lb, 1rb, 1cb, 1 creative mf and 1 forward.
Wingers we have in March, Buckers and lua lua but may need another so thats7 players in total as a minimum.
There are some solutions such as Ince covering at cb if the club retain Andrews and March can play central with Cms and Dickensen on the wings however need the players in and not getting a manager in quick means we are seeing burke and jones pick them from any scouting activity that has been going on.
Not convinced we will ger TS andHughton not my cup of tea.
I am assuming we are keeping all players we have left and no one else is leaving.
Morning bbb1969, do you not think we need at least 2 centre halves with Dunk as the only cover for Greer and Upson, we all saw what happened at Derby when Greer got injured, Ward great left back but struggled in the middle!!

Up the Albion!!!!
[quote][p][bold]bbb1969[/bold] wrote: Walton looks like he will feature if he does well in pre season; we all know what Ank is like so no. 3 keeper is covered unless Walton is not quite there yet. Upson, Greer and Dunk at cb, we do need at least 1 there. Lb we need ward or we use chicksen and masi (I think he is still with us) and I would like to see another lb in if our ds lad is not ready. Strikers would say realistically 1 more and see how Dickensen gets on with Ulloa and cms and finally 1 midfielder. So realistically the shopping list is 1 gk, 1 lb, 1rb, 1cb, 1 creative mf and 1 forward. Wingers we have in March, Buckers and lua lua but may need another so thats7 players in total as a minimum. There are some solutions such as Ince covering at cb if the club retain Andrews and March can play central with Cms and Dickensen on the wings however need the players in and not getting a manager in quick means we are seeing burke and jones pick them from any scouting activity that has been going on. Not convinced we will ger TS andHughton not my cup of tea. I am assuming we are keeping all players we have left and no one else is leaving.[/p][/quote]Morning bbb1969, do you not think we need at least 2 centre halves with Dunk as the only cover for Greer and Upson, we all saw what happened at Derby when Greer got injured, Ward great left back but struggled in the middle!! Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 1

8:20am Wed 21 May 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

Toko has a new playmate -Kaz - who's 10 days younger and both born in Kinshasa.What a mine of useless information I am!
Toko has a new playmate -Kaz - who's 10 days younger and both born in Kinshasa.What a mine of useless information I am! SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 15

8:21am Wed 21 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

kipper12 wrote:
please not hughton !! under achieved in last few jobs and apparently not popular in the dressing room.........
Did a great job at Newcastle in getting promoted then Norwich. Yes it went wrong at Norwich last season but more down to players not up to premier league standard that he signed, attitudes etc. Suddenly hsving lots of money to spend brings its own pressures, unfortunately the likes of van wolfswinkel just didnt cut it and thats a risk you take signing any player at all. Also Norwich are a funny club, very fickle supporters indeed who expect instant success. Right here and now, if we don't get Sherwood, then Hughton would be ideal for us a championship club looking to go up. He's already gone and done it at Newcastle.
[quote][p][bold]kipper12[/bold] wrote: please not hughton !! under achieved in last few jobs and apparently not popular in the dressing room.........[/p][/quote]Did a great job at Newcastle in getting promoted then Norwich. Yes it went wrong at Norwich last season but more down to players not up to premier league standard that he signed, attitudes etc. Suddenly hsving lots of money to spend brings its own pressures, unfortunately the likes of van wolfswinkel just didnt cut it and thats a risk you take signing any player at all. Also Norwich are a funny club, very fickle supporters indeed who expect instant success. Right here and now, if we don't get Sherwood, then Hughton would be ideal for us a championship club looking to go up. He's already gone and done it at Newcastle. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: -4

8:27am Wed 21 May 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Welcome to the Albion, Nzuzi.
As far as your new manager is concerned I think Steve Clarke will bring out the best in you. UTA
Welcome to the Albion, Nzuzi. As far as your new manager is concerned I think Steve Clarke will bring out the best in you. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: -1

9:05am Wed 21 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

JeffLomer wrote:
bbb1969 wrote:
Walton looks like he will feature if he does well in pre season; we all know what Ank is like so no. 3 keeper is covered unless Walton is not quite there yet.
Upson, Greer and Dunk at cb, we do need at least 1 there. Lb we need ward or we use chicksen and masi (I think he is still with us) and I would like to see another lb in if our ds lad is not ready.

Strikers would say realistically 1 more and see how Dickensen gets on with Ulloa and cms and finally 1 midfielder.

So realistically the shopping list is 1 gk, 1 lb, 1rb, 1cb, 1 creative mf and 1 forward.
Wingers we have in March, Buckers and lua lua but may need another so thats7 players in total as a minimum.
There are some solutions such as Ince covering at cb if the club retain Andrews and March can play central with Cms and Dickensen on the wings however need the players in and not getting a manager in quick means we are seeing burke and jones pick them from any scouting activity that has been going on.
Not convinced we will ger TS andHughton not my cup of tea.
I am assuming we are keeping all players we have left and no one else is leaving.
Morning bbb1969, do you not think we need at least 2 centre halves with Dunk as the only cover for Greer and Upson, we all saw what happened at Derby when Greer got injured, Ward great left back but struggled in the middle!!

Up the Albion!!!!
2 more CBs when we already have 3? You're not going to get decent CBs to play 4th and 5th choice.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb1969[/bold] wrote: Walton looks like he will feature if he does well in pre season; we all know what Ank is like so no. 3 keeper is covered unless Walton is not quite there yet. Upson, Greer and Dunk at cb, we do need at least 1 there. Lb we need ward or we use chicksen and masi (I think he is still with us) and I would like to see another lb in if our ds lad is not ready. Strikers would say realistically 1 more and see how Dickensen gets on with Ulloa and cms and finally 1 midfielder. So realistically the shopping list is 1 gk, 1 lb, 1rb, 1cb, 1 creative mf and 1 forward. Wingers we have in March, Buckers and lua lua but may need another so thats7 players in total as a minimum. There are some solutions such as Ince covering at cb if the club retain Andrews and March can play central with Cms and Dickensen on the wings however need the players in and not getting a manager in quick means we are seeing burke and jones pick them from any scouting activity that has been going on. Not convinced we will ger TS andHughton not my cup of tea. I am assuming we are keeping all players we have left and no one else is leaving.[/p][/quote]Morning bbb1969, do you not think we need at least 2 centre halves with Dunk as the only cover for Greer and Upson, we all saw what happened at Derby when Greer got injured, Ward great left back but struggled in the middle!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]2 more CBs when we already have 3? You're not going to get decent CBs to play 4th and 5th choice. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

9:10am Wed 21 May 14

linzowen says...

Steve Clark is not for me ! Yes he may have good credentials and i'm sure those who would like him here have sound judgement on that.For me personally there's a big BUT and that is that he's just so dull. Gus's enthusiasm was great up to a point. Oscar has great dignity and went about his business quietly. I would like a manager who could give us that excitement on the pitch and show the integrity and loyalty to the club and the fans and enthuse and empower all within to make that push for the prem. Malky Mackay was my first choice but sadly that wont be, Tim Sherwood may be the one, i don't know, but i think he would throw himself wholeheartedly into it. He would get my support. Please not Stevie baby we all need a lift, i can't think of myself religoiusly watching seagulls player with him giving pre and post match interviews. Sorry !
Steve Clark is not for me ! Yes he may have good credentials and i'm sure those who would like him here have sound judgement on that.For me personally there's a big BUT and that is that he's just so dull. Gus's enthusiasm was great up to a point. Oscar has great dignity and went about his business quietly. I would like a manager who could give us that excitement on the pitch and show the integrity and loyalty to the club and the fans and enthuse and empower all within to make that push for the prem. Malky Mackay was my first choice but sadly that wont be, Tim Sherwood may be the one, i don't know, but i think he would throw himself wholeheartedly into it. He would get my support. Please not Stevie baby we all need a lift, i can't think of myself religoiusly watching seagulls player with him giving pre and post match interviews. Sorry ! linzowen
  • Score: 0

9:24am Wed 21 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too...
If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process?
On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind.
So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence?
It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business?
It just feels a bit uncomfortable......
I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too... If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process? On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind. So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence? It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business? It just feels a bit uncomfortable...... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 0

9:28am Wed 21 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too...
If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process?
On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind.
So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence?
It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business?
It just feels a bit uncomfortable......
We need about 10 news players. This guy is just one. The incoming manager will have plenty of time to help identify further talent if that falls within the remit of the job (which, from TB's comments, it does).

As someone else said, managers inherit squads all the time, so this is no different.

Also, this transfer was already in place. Should the club have reneged on the agreement the second OG walked out the door?
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too... If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process? On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind. So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence? It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business? It just feels a bit uncomfortable......[/p][/quote]We need about 10 news players. This guy is just one. The incoming manager will have plenty of time to help identify further talent if that falls within the remit of the job (which, from TB's comments, it does). As someone else said, managers inherit squads all the time, so this is no different. Also, this transfer was already in place. Should the club have reneged on the agreement the second OG walked out the door? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 8

9:29am Wed 21 May 14

JeffLomer says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
bbb1969 wrote:
Walton looks like he will feature if he does well in pre season; we all know what Ank is like so no. 3 keeper is covered unless Walton is not quite there yet.
Upson, Greer and Dunk at cb, we do need at least 1 there. Lb we need ward or we use chicksen and masi (I think he is still with us) and I would like to see another lb in if our ds lad is not ready.

Strikers would say realistically 1 more and see how Dickensen gets on with Ulloa and cms and finally 1 midfielder.

So realistically the shopping list is 1 gk, 1 lb, 1rb, 1cb, 1 creative mf and 1 forward.
Wingers we have in March, Buckers and lua lua but may need another so thats7 players in total as a minimum.
There are some solutions such as Ince covering at cb if the club retain Andrews and March can play central with Cms and Dickensen on the wings however need the players in and not getting a manager in quick means we are seeing burke and jones pick them from any scouting activity that has been going on.
Not convinced we will ger TS andHughton not my cup of tea.
I am assuming we are keeping all players we have left and no one else is leaving.
Morning bbb1969, do you not think we need at least 2 centre halves with Dunk as the only cover for Greer and Upson, we all saw what happened at Derby when Greer got injured, Ward great left back but struggled in the middle!!

Up the Albion!!!!
2 more CBs when we already have 3? You're not going to get decent CBs to play 4th and 5th choice.
That's a fair point you make Arnie, but my concern is players being injured like Upson was for Derby game then Greer went off injured and we had to shuffle the team because we had no one on the bench to fill in for Greer which obviously not ldeal, we need at least one CB then!!
Up the Albion!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb1969[/bold] wrote: Walton looks like he will feature if he does well in pre season; we all know what Ank is like so no. 3 keeper is covered unless Walton is not quite there yet. Upson, Greer and Dunk at cb, we do need at least 1 there. Lb we need ward or we use chicksen and masi (I think he is still with us) and I would like to see another lb in if our ds lad is not ready. Strikers would say realistically 1 more and see how Dickensen gets on with Ulloa and cms and finally 1 midfielder. So realistically the shopping list is 1 gk, 1 lb, 1rb, 1cb, 1 creative mf and 1 forward. Wingers we have in March, Buckers and lua lua but may need another so thats7 players in total as a minimum. There are some solutions such as Ince covering at cb if the club retain Andrews and March can play central with Cms and Dickensen on the wings however need the players in and not getting a manager in quick means we are seeing burke and jones pick them from any scouting activity that has been going on. Not convinced we will ger TS andHughton not my cup of tea. I am assuming we are keeping all players we have left and no one else is leaving.[/p][/quote]Morning bbb1969, do you not think we need at least 2 centre halves with Dunk as the only cover for Greer and Upson, we all saw what happened at Derby when Greer got injured, Ward great left back but struggled in the middle!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]2 more CBs when we already have 3? You're not going to get decent CBs to play 4th and 5th choice.[/p][/quote]That's a fair point you make Arnie, but my concern is players being injured like Upson was for Derby game then Greer went off injured and we had to shuffle the team because we had no one on the bench to fill in for Greer which obviously not ldeal, we need at least one CB then!! Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 0

9:58am Wed 21 May 14

daveyboy35 says...

paul6391 wrote:
Bringing players in that may or may not suit the next manager, i reckon the next manager will be in place 3 weeks before the new season starts..please please don't even consider hughton........
Surely we can do better than hughton
[quote][p][bold]paul6391[/bold] wrote: Bringing players in that may or may not suit the next manager, i reckon the next manager will be in place 3 weeks before the new season starts..please please don't even consider hughton........[/p][/quote]Surely we can do better than hughton daveyboy35
  • Score: 7

10:00am Wed 21 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
bbb1969 wrote:
Walton looks like he will feature if he does well in pre season; we all know what Ank is like so no. 3 keeper is covered unless Walton is not quite there yet.
Upson, Greer and Dunk at cb, we do need at least 1 there. Lb we need ward or we use chicksen and masi (I think he is still with us) and I would like to see another lb in if our ds lad is not ready.

Strikers would say realistically 1 more and see how Dickensen gets on with Ulloa and cms and finally 1 midfielder.

So realistically the shopping list is 1 gk, 1 lb, 1rb, 1cb, 1 creative mf and 1 forward.
Wingers we have in March, Buckers and lua lua but may need another so thats7 players in total as a minimum.
There are some solutions such as Ince covering at cb if the club retain Andrews and March can play central with Cms and Dickensen on the wings however need the players in and not getting a manager in quick means we are seeing burke and jones pick them from any scouting activity that has been going on.
Not convinced we will ger TS andHughton not my cup of tea.
I am assuming we are keeping all players we have left and no one else is leaving.
Morning bbb1969, do you not think we need at least 2 centre halves with Dunk as the only cover for Greer and Upson, we all saw what happened at Derby when Greer got injured, Ward great left back but struggled in the middle!!

Up the Albion!!!!
2 more CBs when we already have 3? You're not going to get decent CBs to play 4th and 5th choice.
That's a fair point you make Arnie, but my concern is players being injured like Upson was for Derby game then Greer went off injured and we had to shuffle the team because we had no one on the bench to fill in for Greer which obviously not ldeal, we need at least one CB then!!
Up the Albion!!!!
Up until Greer's injury we'd coped with only one CB to cover, and would've coped with that if only Calde wasn't already covering the injured Bruno. I think one more CB taking us to 4 will be enough.

I'm really looking forward to seeing this guy in action, as (despite YouTube) none of really know anything about him other than the guy loves to tackle. I presume he can also pass to a decent enough level, even if it's just a matter of keeping it simple and giving the ball to a more gifted distributor.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb1969[/bold] wrote: Walton looks like he will feature if he does well in pre season; we all know what Ank is like so no. 3 keeper is covered unless Walton is not quite there yet. Upson, Greer and Dunk at cb, we do need at least 1 there. Lb we need ward or we use chicksen and masi (I think he is still with us) and I would like to see another lb in if our ds lad is not ready. Strikers would say realistically 1 more and see how Dickensen gets on with Ulloa and cms and finally 1 midfielder. So realistically the shopping list is 1 gk, 1 lb, 1rb, 1cb, 1 creative mf and 1 forward. Wingers we have in March, Buckers and lua lua but may need another so thats7 players in total as a minimum. There are some solutions such as Ince covering at cb if the club retain Andrews and March can play central with Cms and Dickensen on the wings however need the players in and not getting a manager in quick means we are seeing burke and jones pick them from any scouting activity that has been going on. Not convinced we will ger TS andHughton not my cup of tea. I am assuming we are keeping all players we have left and no one else is leaving.[/p][/quote]Morning bbb1969, do you not think we need at least 2 centre halves with Dunk as the only cover for Greer and Upson, we all saw what happened at Derby when Greer got injured, Ward great left back but struggled in the middle!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]2 more CBs when we already have 3? You're not going to get decent CBs to play 4th and 5th choice.[/p][/quote]That's a fair point you make Arnie, but my concern is players being injured like Upson was for Derby game then Greer went off injured and we had to shuffle the team because we had no one on the bench to fill in for Greer which obviously not ldeal, we need at least one CB then!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]Up until Greer's injury we'd coped with only one CB to cover, and would've coped with that if only Calde wasn't already covering the injured Bruno. I think one more CB taking us to 4 will be enough. I'm really looking forward to seeing this guy in action, as (despite YouTube) none of really know anything about him other than the guy loves to tackle. I presume he can also pass to a decent enough level, even if it's just a matter of keeping it simple and giving the ball to a more gifted distributor. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

10:10am Wed 21 May 14

AburridoEnTrabajo says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Is it Nathan Jones or Burke signing these players? Or has a prospective new manager requested that we sign him? I think it will be Hughton and that's a pretty good choice for us without a doubt.
This deal would have got started when Oscar was still in charge, although I doubt he had much input. I imagine Burke would have identified the player and maybe then consulted Oscar (but possibly not if they thought he was going to leave anyway) but the negotiation and final decision would have been Burke's. People complain about Burke, but one thing we have learnt over the last few seasons is that managers' have their own interests at heart when recruiting players while directors of football have the club's interests at heart.
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: Is it Nathan Jones or Burke signing these players? Or has a prospective new manager requested that we sign him? I think it will be Hughton and that's a pretty good choice for us without a doubt.[/p][/quote]This deal would have got started when Oscar was still in charge, although I doubt he had much input. I imagine Burke would have identified the player and maybe then consulted Oscar (but possibly not if they thought he was going to leave anyway) but the negotiation and final decision would have been Burke's. People complain about Burke, but one thing we have learnt over the last few seasons is that managers' have their own interests at heart when recruiting players while directors of football have the club's interests at heart. AburridoEnTrabajo
  • Score: 2

10:27am Wed 21 May 14

Baldseagull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too...
If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process?
On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind.
So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence?
It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business?
It just feels a bit uncomfortable......
Oscar had previously worked with Barca Youth players, probably the best youth set up in the World and at Macabi Tel-Aviv where he had one of the most expensively assembled squads in the division. He did the business in both places but had the cream of the crop in both places, he did well here with a decent but injury ravaged squad, but could not get the additions he wanted as first choice (too much money).
Personally I think the timing was just wrong, he was here when we and a few others were restricting our budget to stay within FFP and a bunch of others were having one last tilt at the top, whilst the sanctions are not as severe as they may be in the future. If FFP bites in January as it should do, we should be in a stronger position than many and will have a better budget than most, rather than a mid table one, this time next year.
The last manager that had a biggish budget and more say spent £3M on CMS and let Murray walk for free, we can't afford to do that sort of business now.
I am happy with the set up, but it will narrow the choice of Manager, hopefully down to those who have belief in their ability rather than the clubs spending power.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too... If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process? On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind. So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence? It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business? It just feels a bit uncomfortable......[/p][/quote]Oscar had previously worked with Barca Youth players, probably the best youth set up in the World and at Macabi Tel-Aviv where he had one of the most expensively assembled squads in the division. He did the business in both places but had the cream of the crop in both places, he did well here with a decent but injury ravaged squad, but could not get the additions he wanted as first choice (too much money). Personally I think the timing was just wrong, he was here when we and a few others were restricting our budget to stay within FFP and a bunch of others were having one last tilt at the top, whilst the sanctions are not as severe as they may be in the future. If FFP bites in January as it should do, we should be in a stronger position than many and will have a better budget than most, rather than a mid table one, this time next year. The last manager that had a biggish budget and more say spent £3M on CMS and let Murray walk for free, we can't afford to do that sort of business now. I am happy with the set up, but it will narrow the choice of Manager, hopefully down to those who have belief in their ability rather than the clubs spending power. Baldseagull
  • Score: 3

10:30am Wed 21 May 14

dave from bexill says...

AburridoEnTrabajo wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Is it Nathan Jones or Burke signing these players? Or has a prospective new manager requested that we sign him? I think it will be Hughton and that's a pretty good choice for us without a doubt.
This deal would have got started when Oscar was still in charge, although I doubt he had much input. I imagine Burke would have identified the player and maybe then consulted Oscar (but possibly not if they thought he was going to leave anyway) but the negotiation and final decision would have been Burke's. People complain about Burke, but one thing we have learnt over the last few seasons is that managers' have their own interests at heart when recruiting players while directors of football have the club's interests at heart.
Don't quite follow your last sentence regarding interests of managers and DOF's being different, Don't they both want success?
[quote][p][bold]AburridoEnTrabajo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: Is it Nathan Jones or Burke signing these players? Or has a prospective new manager requested that we sign him? I think it will be Hughton and that's a pretty good choice for us without a doubt.[/p][/quote]This deal would have got started when Oscar was still in charge, although I doubt he had much input. I imagine Burke would have identified the player and maybe then consulted Oscar (but possibly not if they thought he was going to leave anyway) but the negotiation and final decision would have been Burke's. People complain about Burke, but one thing we have learnt over the last few seasons is that managers' have their own interests at heart when recruiting players while directors of football have the club's interests at heart.[/p][/quote]Don't quite follow your last sentence regarding interests of managers and DOF's being different, Don't they both want success? dave from bexill
  • Score: 4

10:56am Wed 21 May 14

RaveyDavey says...

"Dream move"? Really? Really really?? It was his 'dream' to join Albion, was it?
Not very aspirational, is he?
"Dream move"? Really? Really really?? It was his 'dream' to join Albion, was it? Not very aspirational, is he? RaveyDavey
  • Score: -12

11:14am Wed 21 May 14

JeffLomer says...

RaveyDavey wrote:
"Dream move"? Really? Really really?? It was his 'dream' to join Albion, was it?
Not very aspirational, is he?
The lad quoted dream to move abroad which has done now we've signed him what point are you trying to make, if he moved to a club in the premiership it would still be abroad, some people just love to moan about anything like you are now, you would moan if we didn't start making signings with or without a guy in charge, we need to get players in now, the manager will come in soon and have his say on players!!
Up the Albion!!!!
[quote][p][bold]RaveyDavey[/bold] wrote: "Dream move"? Really? Really really?? It was his 'dream' to join Albion, was it? Not very aspirational, is he?[/p][/quote]The lad quoted dream to move abroad which has done now we've signed him what point are you trying to make, if he moved to a club in the premiership it would still be abroad, some people just love to moan about anything like you are now, you would moan if we didn't start making signings with or without a guy in charge, we need to get players in now, the manager will come in soon and have his say on players!! Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 10

11:21am Wed 21 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too...
If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process?
On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind.
So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence?
It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business?
It just feels a bit uncomfortable......
We need about 10 news players. This guy is just one. The incoming manager will have plenty of time to help identify further talent if that falls within the remit of the job (which, from TB's comments, it does).

As someone else said, managers inherit squads all the time, so this is no different.

Also, this transfer was already in place. Should the club have reneged on the agreement the second OG walked out the door?
No Arnie, it shouldn't, but the fact this transfer was already in place is exactly my point. It appears to have been pursued by those who remain at the club and not (potentially) with the support of the incumbent coach at the time. If it was part of a policy he approved of, surely he wouldn't have walked?
As for the new man, inheriting a squad developed by a "fellow" coach/manager is one thing and yes, it does happen all the time, but if he inherits a squad that is being built within a vacuum, I think it potentially restricts the field of candidates.
TB has made it clear that OG was part of the signing process, so you'd naturally expect the same of the next one in. But as I said, I'm just a little uncomfortable that if identification of OG's successor becomes a protracted process and more players are signed in the interim (because, as you say,m we certainly need them) any appeal we have as a club may (note the word ' may') be dissipated.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too... If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process? On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind. So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence? It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business? It just feels a bit uncomfortable......[/p][/quote]We need about 10 news players. This guy is just one. The incoming manager will have plenty of time to help identify further talent if that falls within the remit of the job (which, from TB's comments, it does). As someone else said, managers inherit squads all the time, so this is no different. Also, this transfer was already in place. Should the club have reneged on the agreement the second OG walked out the door?[/p][/quote]No Arnie, it shouldn't, but the fact this transfer was already in place is exactly my point. It appears to have been pursued by those who remain at the club and not (potentially) with the support of the incumbent coach at the time. If it was part of a policy he approved of, surely he wouldn't have walked? As for the new man, inheriting a squad developed by a "fellow" coach/manager is one thing and yes, it does happen all the time, but if he inherits a squad that is being built within a vacuum, I think it potentially restricts the field of candidates. TB has made it clear that OG was part of the signing process, so you'd naturally expect the same of the next one in. But as I said, I'm just a little uncomfortable that if identification of OG's successor becomes a protracted process and more players are signed in the interim (because, as you say,m we certainly need them) any appeal we have as a club may (note the word ' may') be dissipated. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -4

11:51am Wed 21 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

"It appears to have been pursued by those who remain at the club and not (potentially) with the support of the incumbent coach at the time."

What evidence is there that OG was not involved? He may have been, he may not have been, we don't know.

"If it was part of a policy he approved of, surely he wouldn't have walked?"

That's kind of neither here nor there, isn't it? He was involved in the signings of several players (inc Lingard and David Rodriguez) yet still walked.
"It appears to have been pursued by those who remain at the club and not (potentially) with the support of the incumbent coach at the time." What evidence is there that OG was not involved? He may have been, he may not have been, we don't know. "If it was part of a policy he approved of, surely he wouldn't have walked?" That's kind of neither here nor there, isn't it? He was involved in the signings of several players (inc Lingard and David Rodriguez) yet still walked. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

11:53am Wed 21 May 14

BigDGermany says...

Don't know why most of you think that he will pick up so many cards. In the Swiss Superleague he play this season 33 out of 36 matches and picked up 9 yellow and no red card. And he played for the runner-up who will also be in the qualifier for the UEFA Champions League! Spoke with a few old friends from my Swiss times and that rate it as a missive loss for Zurich that he's leaving them.
Don't know why most of you think that he will pick up so many cards. In the Swiss Superleague he play this season 33 out of 36 matches and picked up 9 yellow and no red card. And he played for the runner-up who will also be in the qualifier for the UEFA Champions League! Spoke with a few old friends from my Swiss times and that rate it as a missive loss for Zurich that he's leaving them. BigDGermany
  • Score: 5

11:59am Wed 21 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

JeffLomer wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Morning boys,

What I've seen off the lad hopefully we have someone to fit nicely alongside croft when fit again and ince, this lad can tackle but will probably pick up alot off cards championships probably a lit quicker football than what he is used too, anyway good signing just need 2 goalkeepers, 3-4 defenders, 2-3 midfielders, 2-3 strikers, o yer and a manager how did I forget that one, looks like a busy summer!!
Up the Albion!!!!
No idea why you have a thumbs down! What your saying is true! This guy is a tackler .. He will get lots of cards! However from the videos on YouTube , he has good technique .. Pace , and can spot danger and close that down.
My problem is our squad is full of piano movers, but not one can play!
( Brian clough ) we need a creative midfielder, JFC is not up to it , he may be 19 , but he lacks technique , pace and physique ..
I do like toko from his video, bags of energy , and does not react to the drama queens when they roll over after being tackled..
Joe cole would be ideal behind ulloa .
Morning Mark,
To be honest I'm not bothered about thumbs down from anyone, but your find people who do that will not reply and say why they disagree,

I posted about Joe Cole when he was released by west ham I got thumbs down for suggesting we take him on a FREE, ideal player for our club for 2-3 years, hope we don't leave it to long about signing Ward on a permanent deal good defender full off energy, Jesse will be let go at united I think I can't see him breaking in to there first team, I'm trying to think off a quality keeper who we might bring in, Jake will be a good player but must stop going missing in some games, who would you like as our next manager Mark!! I don't think the two being mentioned will come, be surprised if one off them did, Steve Clarke for me if we cannot get one off the others being mentioned!!
Up the Albion
Steve Clark would be great. Tough as teak and deeply knowledgable - wouldn't stand for any crap that's for sure and no waffle either.
Morning wisdom, I totally agree about Steve Clarke he would be a good fit for Brighton, served his time under Mourinhio unlucky to lose his job at wba which nearly backed fired on them, Sherwood might be favourite at the bookies but that means nothing I doubt he has applied for the job, Steve Clarke all day long for me wisdom!!
Up the Albion!!!!
Also I find it interesting that Scotland has historically supplied so many really great football managers! It's uncanny - must be something in the water - or the Scotch!!!!! I like people who call a spade a shovel as they're unconcerned and unattached to the good opinion of other people. An extremely important ingredients of success in all walks of life - but especially in football where they are having to deal with so many different opinions!

One of the things which impressed me with Oscar was when he said in one of his interviews - 'I don't care about what other people think when it comes to choosing my team. " which didn't mean he didn't care and respect other peoples opinions but only that as it was his bum and his alone on the line he had to do what HE felt was correct. If I were an owner I would want that type of attitude in my manager - to my opinions included - even if I had 10 Billion in the club.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Morning boys, What I've seen off the lad hopefully we have someone to fit nicely alongside croft when fit again and ince, this lad can tackle but will probably pick up alot off cards championships probably a lit quicker football than what he is used too, anyway good signing just need 2 goalkeepers, 3-4 defenders, 2-3 midfielders, 2-3 strikers, o yer and a manager how did I forget that one, looks like a busy summer!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]No idea why you have a thumbs down! What your saying is true! This guy is a tackler .. He will get lots of cards! However from the videos on YouTube , he has good technique .. Pace , and can spot danger and close that down. My problem is our squad is full of piano movers, but not one can play! ( Brian clough ) we need a creative midfielder, JFC is not up to it , he may be 19 , but he lacks technique , pace and physique .. I do like toko from his video, bags of energy , and does not react to the drama queens when they roll over after being tackled.. Joe cole would be ideal behind ulloa .[/p][/quote]Morning Mark, To be honest I'm not bothered about thumbs down from anyone, but your find people who do that will not reply and say why they disagree, I posted about Joe Cole when he was released by west ham I got thumbs down for suggesting we take him on a FREE, ideal player for our club for 2-3 years, hope we don't leave it to long about signing Ward on a permanent deal good defender full off energy, Jesse will be let go at united I think I can't see him breaking in to there first team, I'm trying to think off a quality keeper who we might bring in, Jake will be a good player but must stop going missing in some games, who would you like as our next manager Mark!! I don't think the two being mentioned will come, be surprised if one off them did, Steve Clarke for me if we cannot get one off the others being mentioned!! Up the Albion[/p][/quote]Steve Clark would be great. Tough as teak and deeply knowledgable - wouldn't stand for any crap that's for sure and no waffle either.[/p][/quote]Morning wisdom, I totally agree about Steve Clarke he would be a good fit for Brighton, served his time under Mourinhio unlucky to lose his job at wba which nearly backed fired on them, Sherwood might be favourite at the bookies but that means nothing I doubt he has applied for the job, Steve Clarke all day long for me wisdom!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]Also I find it interesting that Scotland has historically supplied so many really great football managers! It's uncanny - must be something in the water - or the Scotch!!!!! I like people who call a spade a shovel as they're unconcerned and unattached to the good opinion of other people. An extremely important ingredients of success in all walks of life - but especially in football where they are having to deal with so many different opinions! One of the things which impressed me with Oscar was when he said in one of his interviews - 'I don't care about what other people think when it comes to choosing my team. " which didn't mean he didn't care and respect other peoples opinions but only that as it was his bum and his alone on the line he had to do what HE felt was correct. If I were an owner I would want that type of attitude in my manager - to my opinions included - even if I had 10 Billion in the club. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 5

12:26pm Wed 21 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
"It appears to have been pursued by those who remain at the club and not (potentially) with the support of the incumbent coach at the time."

What evidence is there that OG was not involved? He may have been, he may not have been, we don't know.

"If it was part of a policy he approved of, surely he wouldn't have walked?"

That's kind of neither here nor there, isn't it? He was involved in the signings of several players (inc Lingard and David Rodriguez) yet still walked.
It's a progression of logical circumstance, not a statement of fact.
If this guy was the sort of player OG wanted to sign to improve the squad, it's a fair assumption that he would have been happy with the general direction of policy - and he clearly wasn't.
I can't see anyone being impressed by activity that's a potential indicator for the summer one minute and then walking away the next.
So this - and others you refer to - may be an illustration of why he walked; he wasn't satisfied with the quality of those ultimately being secured. It's quite possible to be part of a process but to be over-ruled and in that case, as I said before, it potentially restricts the field of candidates for the job.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: "It appears to have been pursued by those who remain at the club and not (potentially) with the support of the incumbent coach at the time." What evidence is there that OG was not involved? He may have been, he may not have been, we don't know. "If it was part of a policy he approved of, surely he wouldn't have walked?" That's kind of neither here nor there, isn't it? He was involved in the signings of several players (inc Lingard and David Rodriguez) yet still walked.[/p][/quote]It's a progression of logical circumstance, not a statement of fact. If this guy was the sort of player OG wanted to sign to improve the squad, it's a fair assumption that he would have been happy with the general direction of policy - and he clearly wasn't. I can't see anyone being impressed by activity that's a potential indicator for the summer one minute and then walking away the next. So this - and others you refer to - may be an illustration of why he walked; he wasn't satisfied with the quality of those ultimately being secured. It's quite possible to be part of a process but to be over-ruled and in that case, as I said before, it potentially restricts the field of candidates for the job. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -7

12:45pm Wed 21 May 14

JeffLomer says...

paul6391 wrote:
Bringing players in that may or may not suit the next manager, i reckon the next manager will be in place 3 weeks before the new season starts..please please don't even consider hughton........
The way I see it Paul if we wait for a new manager to come in like you said might be three weeks time which I agree with, don't you think we should be getting Ward and Jesse signed before we lose them like we did Conway, there are plenty off teams still on parachute payments who can afford bigger wages than us, so in my opinion I can't see a problem in rebuiding our squad with or without a guy in charge!!
Up the Albion!!!!
[quote][p][bold]paul6391[/bold] wrote: Bringing players in that may or may not suit the next manager, i reckon the next manager will be in place 3 weeks before the new season starts..please please don't even consider hughton........[/p][/quote]The way I see it Paul if we wait for a new manager to come in like you said might be three weeks time which I agree with, don't you think we should be getting Ward and Jesse signed before we lose them like we did Conway, there are plenty off teams still on parachute payments who can afford bigger wages than us, so in my opinion I can't see a problem in rebuiding our squad with or without a guy in charge!! Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 0

1:10pm Wed 21 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Whether this new lad is a good signing, or not, we don't know yet but one thing for sure is, some faces at the club think he is. As Bloom says, we had this kid lined up before our season ended, I would guess that means we have been tracking him for some time.

The important thing for me is that the club appears to be looking to reduce the average age of our squad, and more importantly, I hope, our starting eleven.
Pre-season will see a bunch of players aged 25 or younger, all looking to claim a starting shirt, Toko, Monakana, Solly, Ince, JFC, Walton, Dunk, Stephens, Chicksen, Kaz and Buckley, that has to be a good thing.
I doubt that we will be able to land Lingard on a season long loan but I would be amazed if we were not trying to do so.

More players will come, we know that, and with any luck a couple of those players will be younger defenders with some pace about them, and I would expect that we will see one or two older guys with experience brought in, an experienced creative midfielder would work for me no matter what his age.

My hope is that the players we buy are young, spend the cash today with an eye on tomorrow, and when we look for the more experienced recruits, we use the loan system. There is a fine balance to be struck between youth and experience and I am sure that getting the right manager in, one that can achieve this balance, will play into the thinking of Bloom when evaluating who can bring what to the club.
Whether this new lad is a good signing, or not, we don't know yet but one thing for sure is, some faces at the club think he is. As Bloom says, we had this kid lined up before our season ended, I would guess that means we have been tracking him for some time. The important thing for me is that the club appears to be looking to reduce the average age of our squad, and more importantly, I hope, our starting eleven. Pre-season will see a bunch of players aged 25 or younger, all looking to claim a starting shirt, Toko, Monakana, Solly, Ince, JFC, Walton, Dunk, Stephens, Chicksen, Kaz and Buckley, that has to be a good thing. I doubt that we will be able to land Lingard on a season long loan but I would be amazed if we were not trying to do so. More players will come, we know that, and with any luck a couple of those players will be younger defenders with some pace about them, and I would expect that we will see one or two older guys with experience brought in, an experienced creative midfielder would work for me no matter what his age. My hope is that the players we buy are young, spend the cash today with an eye on tomorrow, and when we look for the more experienced recruits, we use the loan system. There is a fine balance to be struck between youth and experience and I am sure that getting the right manager in, one that can achieve this balance, will play into the thinking of Bloom when evaluating who can bring what to the club. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

1:15pm Wed 21 May 14

novascotiagull says...

AlfieT wrote:
Sherwood remains favourite, has he been interviewed yet, any contact at all from either party?
I get a laugh out of all this talk about favourites. He is only favourite with gamblers, most of whom wouldn't know the first thing about Brighton or Tony or what he wants or needs and what he is willing to accept. He is favourite on a betting service. All these people know is gambling and thats all they care about.

When and if someone at the club, calls someone a favourite, you might want to listen to them, at this point, Sherwood has not even been mentioned as a target, let alone a favourite.

TS is TS's biggest fan, he wants what he wants, and his agent wants even more. TS will not come to Brighton and I doubt he will even be asked.

If I was a betting man, I would get used to seeing Nathan Jones in charge for quite some time. The reason TB says he will not be rushed and will take his time and will select the right man for the job is because he is perfectly happy to sit still with Nathan Jones in charge unless and until he can get who he wants as a Manager on his terms.

PS all new managers inherit teams with somebody elses player picks already in place. There is no other system in place anywhere in football. Why all the fuss that we are picking who goes and who comes without the presence of the next manager?

You guys need to get to the beach and relax and wait for things to unfold. I trust Tony and believe he only has the clubs best interests at heart.
[quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: Sherwood remains favourite, has he been interviewed yet, any contact at all from either party?[/p][/quote]I get a laugh out of all this talk about favourites. He is only favourite with gamblers, most of whom wouldn't know the first thing about Brighton or Tony or what he wants or needs and what he is willing to accept. He is favourite on a betting service. All these people know is gambling and thats all they care about. When and if someone at the club, calls someone a favourite, you might want to listen to them, at this point, Sherwood has not even been mentioned as a target, let alone a favourite. TS is TS's biggest fan, he wants what he wants, and his agent wants even more. TS will not come to Brighton and I doubt he will even be asked. If I was a betting man, I would get used to seeing Nathan Jones in charge for quite some time. The reason TB says he will not be rushed and will take his time and will select the right man for the job is because he is perfectly happy to sit still with Nathan Jones in charge unless and until he can get who he wants as a Manager on his terms. PS all new managers inherit teams with somebody elses player picks already in place. There is no other system in place anywhere in football. Why all the fuss that we are picking who goes and who comes without the presence of the next manager? You guys need to get to the beach and relax and wait for things to unfold. I trust Tony and believe he only has the clubs best interests at heart. novascotiagull
  • Score: 0

1:35pm Wed 21 May 14

gordongull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too...
If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process?
On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind.
So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence?
It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business?
It just feels a bit uncomfortable......
We need about 10 news players. This guy is just one. The incoming manager will have plenty of time to help identify further talent if that falls within the remit of the job (which, from TB's comments, it does).

As someone else said, managers inherit squads all the time, so this is no different.

Also, this transfer was already in place. Should the club have reneged on the agreement the second OG walked out the door?
Candidates for the job will be influenced by what it looks like happened, if the facts are not known.
What looks like happened is that the DOF has identified a player for the squad, and negotiated a deal to bring him to the Club. There might have been input from Oscar, but does anyone really believe that was the case?
Toko could be a prove to be a great signing for B&HA, but will be seen by prospective candidates as an advance warning of what to expect regarding transfer policy.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too... If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process? On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind. So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence? It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business? It just feels a bit uncomfortable......[/p][/quote]We need about 10 news players. This guy is just one. The incoming manager will have plenty of time to help identify further talent if that falls within the remit of the job (which, from TB's comments, it does). As someone else said, managers inherit squads all the time, so this is no different. Also, this transfer was already in place. Should the club have reneged on the agreement the second OG walked out the door?[/p][/quote]Candidates for the job will be influenced by what it looks like happened, if the facts are not known. What looks like happened is that the DOF has identified a player for the squad, and negotiated a deal to bring him to the Club. There might have been input from Oscar, but does anyone really believe that was the case? Toko could be a prove to be a great signing for B&HA, but will be seen by prospective candidates as an advance warning of what to expect regarding transfer policy. gordongull
  • Score: -2

1:55pm Wed 21 May 14

RaveyDavey says...

JeffLomer wrote:
RaveyDavey wrote:
"Dream move"? Really? Really really?? It was his 'dream' to join Albion, was it?
Not very aspirational, is he?
The lad quoted dream to move abroad which has done now we've signed him what point are you trying to make, if he moved to a club in the premiership it would still be abroad, some people just love to moan about anything like you are now, you would moan if we didn't start making signings with or without a guy in charge, we need to get players in now, the manager will come in soon and have his say on players!!
Up the Albion!!!!
Up the Albion, indeed. I'm amazed they still need a manager, judging by the expert analysis, insight & commentary provided by people on this thread - surely one of you lot would be a shoe in for the job?
Amazing how much the proletariat know about soccer. If they put as much time & effort into their studies/careers they may actually amount to something one day.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RaveyDavey[/bold] wrote: "Dream move"? Really? Really really?? It was his 'dream' to join Albion, was it? Not very aspirational, is he?[/p][/quote]The lad quoted dream to move abroad which has done now we've signed him what point are you trying to make, if he moved to a club in the premiership it would still be abroad, some people just love to moan about anything like you are now, you would moan if we didn't start making signings with or without a guy in charge, we need to get players in now, the manager will come in soon and have his say on players!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]Up the Albion, indeed. I'm amazed they still need a manager, judging by the expert analysis, insight & commentary provided by people on this thread - surely one of you lot would be a shoe in for the job? Amazing how much the proletariat know about soccer. If they put as much time & effort into their studies/careers they may actually amount to something one day. RaveyDavey
  • Score: -1

2:05pm Wed 21 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too...
If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process?
On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind.
So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence?
It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business?
It just feels a bit uncomfortable......
We need about 10 news players. This guy is just one. The incoming manager will have plenty of time to help identify further talent if that falls within the remit of the job (which, from TB's comments, it does).

As someone else said, managers inherit squads all the time, so this is no different.

Also, this transfer was already in place. Should the club have reneged on the agreement the second OG walked out the door?
Candidates for the job will be influenced by what it looks like happened, if the facts are not known.
What looks like happened is that the DOF has identified a player for the squad, and negotiated a deal to bring him to the Club. There might have been input from Oscar, but does anyone really believe that was the case?
Toko could be a prove to be a great signing for B&HA, but will be seen by prospective candidates as an advance warning of what to expect regarding transfer policy.
With respect Gordon, what will a new manager learn from just one signing, had our first new sgning of the season been Ward, would that have told the new manager something different?
This lad had been identified as a target before our season ended, it matters not by who, the deal has now been done, what is the problem, he is just one player from a long list of positions still to be filled? It's quite possible that our new manager, whoever that might be, could considider this signing a good move.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too... If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process? On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind. So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence? It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business? It just feels a bit uncomfortable......[/p][/quote]We need about 10 news players. This guy is just one. The incoming manager will have plenty of time to help identify further talent if that falls within the remit of the job (which, from TB's comments, it does). As someone else said, managers inherit squads all the time, so this is no different. Also, this transfer was already in place. Should the club have reneged on the agreement the second OG walked out the door?[/p][/quote]Candidates for the job will be influenced by what it looks like happened, if the facts are not known. What looks like happened is that the DOF has identified a player for the squad, and negotiated a deal to bring him to the Club. There might have been input from Oscar, but does anyone really believe that was the case? Toko could be a prove to be a great signing for B&HA, but will be seen by prospective candidates as an advance warning of what to expect regarding transfer policy.[/p][/quote]With respect Gordon, what will a new manager learn from just one signing, had our first new sgning of the season been Ward, would that have told the new manager something different? This lad had been identified as a target before our season ended, it matters not by who, the deal has now been done, what is the problem, he is just one player from a long list of positions still to be filled? It's quite possible that our new manager, whoever that might be, could considider this signing a good move. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 8

2:06pm Wed 21 May 14

rolivan says...

Some of the Comments we are getting are starting to grate a little,I have been a fan for more than 50 years and have always been happy to follow the club where ever I have been and I must say that since TB has taken control there has been no better time to support the Club . Let the "Suits and Faces" run the Club how they deem fit and no doubt in the very near future a Manager will be appointed who in time will move on but hopefully I and thousands of others will still be around to give our support no matter what league we are playing In . We all dream of being in the Premiership and hope it comes sooner rather than Later . The Amex has become our Field of Dreams..
Some of the Comments we are getting are starting to grate a little,I have been a fan for more than 50 years and have always been happy to follow the club where ever I have been and I must say that since TB has taken control there has been no better time to support the Club . Let the "Suits and Faces" run the Club how they deem fit and no doubt in the very near future a Manager will be appointed who in time will move on but hopefully I and thousands of others will still be around to give our support no matter what league we are playing In . We all dream of being in the Premiership and hope it comes sooner rather than Later . The Amex has become our Field of Dreams.. rolivan
  • Score: 11

2:21pm Wed 21 May 14

JeffLomer says...

RaveyDavey wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
RaveyDavey wrote:
"Dream move"? Really? Really really?? It was his 'dream' to join Albion, was it?
Not very aspirational, is he?
The lad quoted dream to move abroad which has done now we've signed him what point are you trying to make, if he moved to a club in the premiership it would still be abroad, some people just love to moan about anything like you are now, you would moan if we didn't start making signings with or without a guy in charge, we need to get players in now, the manager will come in soon and have his say on players!!
Up the Albion!!!!
Up the Albion, indeed. I'm amazed they still need a manager, judging by the expert analysis, insight & commentary provided by people on this thread - surely one of you lot would be a shoe in for the job?
Amazing how much the proletariat know about soccer. If they put as much time & effort into their studies/careers they may actually amount to something one day.
Try running your own business in ain't easy, or maybe talk sense on here then you might be taken seriously
Up the Albion!!!!
[quote][p][bold]RaveyDavey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RaveyDavey[/bold] wrote: "Dream move"? Really? Really really?? It was his 'dream' to join Albion, was it? Not very aspirational, is he?[/p][/quote]The lad quoted dream to move abroad which has done now we've signed him what point are you trying to make, if he moved to a club in the premiership it would still be abroad, some people just love to moan about anything like you are now, you would moan if we didn't start making signings with or without a guy in charge, we need to get players in now, the manager will come in soon and have his say on players!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]Up the Albion, indeed. I'm amazed they still need a manager, judging by the expert analysis, insight & commentary provided by people on this thread - surely one of you lot would be a shoe in for the job? Amazing how much the proletariat know about soccer. If they put as much time & effort into their studies/careers they may actually amount to something one day.[/p][/quote]Try running your own business in ain't easy, or maybe talk sense on here then you might be taken seriously Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -4

4:12pm Wed 21 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too...
If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process?
On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind.
So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence?
It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business?
It just feels a bit uncomfortable......
We need about 10 news players. This guy is just one. The incoming manager will have plenty of time to help identify further talent if that falls within the remit of the job (which, from TB's comments, it does).

As someone else said, managers inherit squads all the time, so this is no different.

Also, this transfer was already in place. Should the club have reneged on the agreement the second OG walked out the door?
Candidates for the job will be influenced by what it looks like happened, if the facts are not known.
What looks like happened is that the DOF has identified a player for the squad, and negotiated a deal to bring him to the Club. There might have been input from Oscar, but does anyone really believe that was the case?
Toko could be a prove to be a great signing for B&HA, but will be seen by prospective candidates as an advance warning of what to expect regarding transfer policy.
Surely, if a candidate is unsure of what has happened, he is in the perfect position to ask the club what the facts actually are? Anyone deciding not to apply based on the supposition favoured on here rather than research is not a serious candidate at all.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too... If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process? On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind. So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence? It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business? It just feels a bit uncomfortable......[/p][/quote]We need about 10 news players. This guy is just one. The incoming manager will have plenty of time to help identify further talent if that falls within the remit of the job (which, from TB's comments, it does). As someone else said, managers inherit squads all the time, so this is no different. Also, this transfer was already in place. Should the club have reneged on the agreement the second OG walked out the door?[/p][/quote]Candidates for the job will be influenced by what it looks like happened, if the facts are not known. What looks like happened is that the DOF has identified a player for the squad, and negotiated a deal to bring him to the Club. There might have been input from Oscar, but does anyone really believe that was the case? Toko could be a prove to be a great signing for B&HA, but will be seen by prospective candidates as an advance warning of what to expect regarding transfer policy.[/p][/quote]Surely, if a candidate is unsure of what has happened, he is in the perfect position to ask the club what the facts actually are? Anyone deciding not to apply based on the supposition favoured on here rather than research is not a serious candidate at all. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 8

4:56pm Wed 21 May 14

peterpan32 says...

Ward hopefully next signing, if no manager is in place if this happens it will be good to read some more negative opinions on 'how can we sign players with no manager?'. The next manger whoever they maybe will inherit a very good squad.
Ward hopefully next signing, if no manager is in place if this happens it will be good to read some more negative opinions on 'how can we sign players with no manager?'. The next manger whoever they maybe will inherit a very good squad. peterpan32
  • Score: 3

4:57pm Wed 21 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too...
If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process?
On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind.
So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence?
It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business?
It just feels a bit uncomfortable......
We need about 10 news players. This guy is just one. The incoming manager will have plenty of time to help identify further talent if that falls within the remit of the job (which, from TB's comments, it does).

As someone else said, managers inherit squads all the time, so this is no different.

Also, this transfer was already in place. Should the club have reneged on the agreement the second OG walked out the door?
Candidates for the job will be influenced by what it looks like happened, if the facts are not known.
What looks like happened is that the DOF has identified a player for the squad, and negotiated a deal to bring him to the Club. There might have been input from Oscar, but does anyone really believe that was the case?
Toko could be a prove to be a great signing for B&HA, but will be seen by prospective candidates as an advance warning of what to expect regarding transfer policy.
With respect Gordon, what will a new manager learn from just one signing, had our first new sgning of the season been Ward, would that have told the new manager something different?
This lad had been identified as a target before our season ended, it matters not by who, the deal has now been done, what is the problem, he is just one player from a long list of positions still to be filled? It's quite possible that our new manager, whoever that might be, could considider this signing a good move.
And equally possible the process might put him off....
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too... If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process? On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind. So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence? It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business? It just feels a bit uncomfortable......[/p][/quote]We need about 10 news players. This guy is just one. The incoming manager will have plenty of time to help identify further talent if that falls within the remit of the job (which, from TB's comments, it does). As someone else said, managers inherit squads all the time, so this is no different. Also, this transfer was already in place. Should the club have reneged on the agreement the second OG walked out the door?[/p][/quote]Candidates for the job will be influenced by what it looks like happened, if the facts are not known. What looks like happened is that the DOF has identified a player for the squad, and negotiated a deal to bring him to the Club. There might have been input from Oscar, but does anyone really believe that was the case? Toko could be a prove to be a great signing for B&HA, but will be seen by prospective candidates as an advance warning of what to expect regarding transfer policy.[/p][/quote]With respect Gordon, what will a new manager learn from just one signing, had our first new sgning of the season been Ward, would that have told the new manager something different? This lad had been identified as a target before our season ended, it matters not by who, the deal has now been done, what is the problem, he is just one player from a long list of positions still to be filled? It's quite possible that our new manager, whoever that might be, could considider this signing a good move.[/p][/quote]And equally possible the process might put him off.... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -1

5:04pm Wed 21 May 14

pte says...

Burke made a few duff signings but everyone has done that. Made some good signings too. Missed out on a few good signings but that may have been due to cash restrictions. But he and Barber are ex Spurs so they must know something.
Potential managers will know them by reputation and a level of footballing inside information greater than ours. They will either be encouraged or discouraged based on that
Burke made a few duff signings but everyone has done that. Made some good signings too. Missed out on a few good signings but that may have been due to cash restrictions. But he and Barber are ex Spurs so they must know something. Potential managers will know them by reputation and a level of footballing inside information greater than ours. They will either be encouraged or discouraged based on that pte
  • Score: -2

5:43pm Wed 21 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too...
If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process?
On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind.
So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence?
It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business?
It just feels a bit uncomfortable......
We need about 10 news players. This guy is just one. The incoming manager will have plenty of time to help identify further talent if that falls within the remit of the job (which, from TB's comments, it does).

As someone else said, managers inherit squads all the time, so this is no different.

Also, this transfer was already in place. Should the club have reneged on the agreement the second OG walked out the door?
Candidates for the job will be influenced by what it looks like happened, if the facts are not known.
What looks like happened is that the DOF has identified a player for the squad, and negotiated a deal to bring him to the Club. There might have been input from Oscar, but does anyone really believe that was the case?
Toko could be a prove to be a great signing for B&HA, but will be seen by prospective candidates as an advance warning of what to expect regarding transfer policy.
Surely, if a candidate is unsure of what has happened, he is in the perfect position to ask the club what the facts actually are? Anyone deciding not to apply based on the supposition favoured on here rather than research is not a serious candidate at all.
Supposition is pretty much all we have, but the reality is anyone preparing to sit in the interviewee's chair, will have spoken to plenty of people within football to get the inside track before they need to ask such a question of the club. And hey, who knows, they might hear glowing reports? But if I was a candidate, I'd speak to people close enough to GP and OG to get a full view of the landscape so I can draw my own conclusions from all versions.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too... If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process? On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind. So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence? It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business? It just feels a bit uncomfortable......[/p][/quote]We need about 10 news players. This guy is just one. The incoming manager will have plenty of time to help identify further talent if that falls within the remit of the job (which, from TB's comments, it does). As someone else said, managers inherit squads all the time, so this is no different. Also, this transfer was already in place. Should the club have reneged on the agreement the second OG walked out the door?[/p][/quote]Candidates for the job will be influenced by what it looks like happened, if the facts are not known. What looks like happened is that the DOF has identified a player for the squad, and negotiated a deal to bring him to the Club. There might have been input from Oscar, but does anyone really believe that was the case? Toko could be a prove to be a great signing for B&HA, but will be seen by prospective candidates as an advance warning of what to expect regarding transfer policy.[/p][/quote]Surely, if a candidate is unsure of what has happened, he is in the perfect position to ask the club what the facts actually are? Anyone deciding not to apply based on the supposition favoured on here rather than research is not a serious candidate at all.[/p][/quote]Supposition is pretty much all we have, but the reality is anyone preparing to sit in the interviewee's chair, will have spoken to plenty of people within football to get the inside track before they need to ask such a question of the club. And hey, who knows, they might hear glowing reports? But if I was a candidate, I'd speak to people close enough to GP and OG to get a full view of the landscape so I can draw my own conclusions from all versions. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

6:01pm Wed 21 May 14

pte says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too...
If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process?
On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind.
So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence?
It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business?
It just feels a bit uncomfortable......
We need about 10 news players. This guy is just one. The incoming manager will have plenty of time to help identify further talent if that falls within the remit of the job (which, from TB's comments, it does).

As someone else said, managers inherit squads all the time, so this is no different.

Also, this transfer was already in place. Should the club have reneged on the agreement the second OG walked out the door?
Candidates for the job will be influenced by what it looks like happened, if the facts are not known.
What looks like happened is that the DOF has identified a player for the squad, and negotiated a deal to bring him to the Club. There might have been input from Oscar, but does anyone really believe that was the case?
Toko could be a prove to be a great signing for B&HA, but will be seen by prospective candidates as an advance warning of what to expect regarding transfer policy.
Surely, if a candidate is unsure of what has happened, he is in the perfect position to ask the club what the facts actually are? Anyone deciding not to apply based on the supposition favoured on here rather than research is not a serious candidate at all.
Supposition is pretty much all we have, but the reality is anyone preparing to sit in the interviewee's chair, will have spoken to plenty of people within football to get the inside track before they need to ask such a question of the club. And hey, who knows, they might hear glowing reports? But if I was a candidate, I'd speak to people close enough to GP and OG to get a full view of the landscape so I can draw my own conclusions from all versions.
Gus and OG are likely to give a biased and one sided account. Burke and Barber will have a reputation within the game based on years of dealings with scouts, managers, players etc and you can't stop people talking. That reputation will be good or bad but any manager will know what they are coming into without asking previous managers unless they come from abroad perhaps
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too... If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process? On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind. So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence? It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business? It just feels a bit uncomfortable......[/p][/quote]We need about 10 news players. This guy is just one. The incoming manager will have plenty of time to help identify further talent if that falls within the remit of the job (which, from TB's comments, it does). As someone else said, managers inherit squads all the time, so this is no different. Also, this transfer was already in place. Should the club have reneged on the agreement the second OG walked out the door?[/p][/quote]Candidates for the job will be influenced by what it looks like happened, if the facts are not known. What looks like happened is that the DOF has identified a player for the squad, and negotiated a deal to bring him to the Club. There might have been input from Oscar, but does anyone really believe that was the case? Toko could be a prove to be a great signing for B&HA, but will be seen by prospective candidates as an advance warning of what to expect regarding transfer policy.[/p][/quote]Surely, if a candidate is unsure of what has happened, he is in the perfect position to ask the club what the facts actually are? Anyone deciding not to apply based on the supposition favoured on here rather than research is not a serious candidate at all.[/p][/quote]Supposition is pretty much all we have, but the reality is anyone preparing to sit in the interviewee's chair, will have spoken to plenty of people within football to get the inside track before they need to ask such a question of the club. And hey, who knows, they might hear glowing reports? But if I was a candidate, I'd speak to people close enough to GP and OG to get a full view of the landscape so I can draw my own conclusions from all versions.[/p][/quote]Gus and OG are likely to give a biased and one sided account. Burke and Barber will have a reputation within the game based on years of dealings with scouts, managers, players etc and you can't stop people talking. That reputation will be good or bad but any manager will know what they are coming into without asking previous managers unless they come from abroad perhaps pte
  • Score: 1

6:11pm Wed 21 May 14

ballantrrae says...

peterpan32 wrote:
Ward hopefully next signing, if no manager is in place if this happens it will be good to read some more negative opinions on 'how can we sign players with no manager?'. The next manger whoever they maybe will inherit a very good squad.
I too would hope that Ward is signed ideally sooner rather than later but that may not be straight forward given that he has been named in the Republic of Ireland squad which is playing 4 Internationals this Summer.
I was interested to note that the above story is on the Albion website so now that he has reverted to being a Wolves player once more it seems the club are still 'following' him.
Changing subject I am aware that the club is due to announce shortly (originally scheduled end May/ early June) who is sponsoring our New training ground/ academy facility. I just wonder what the impact of that announcement might have on potential managers or player targets.
It is difficult to judge Toko Nzuzi but I am glad he has joined since he seems to add something different to our other midfielders.
Like others I hope we don't make too many new signings before the new Manager is appointed. One or two would be fine but the more scope the new guy has to restructure the squad the better. With possibly 2 GK's. hopefully Ward and a CB plus at least 2, possibly 3, more midfielders (remember Bridcutt, Andrews, Lopez & Orlandi have left) plus two strikers there are about another 8 or 9 players that need signing.
Interesting times and a busy summer in prospect. UTA.
[quote][p][bold]peterpan32[/bold] wrote: Ward hopefully next signing, if no manager is in place if this happens it will be good to read some more negative opinions on 'how can we sign players with no manager?'. The next manger whoever they maybe will inherit a very good squad.[/p][/quote]I too would hope that Ward is signed ideally sooner rather than later but that may not be straight forward given that he has been named in the Republic of Ireland squad which is playing 4 Internationals this Summer. I was interested to note that the above story is on the Albion website so now that he has reverted to being a Wolves player once more it seems the club are still 'following' him. Changing subject I am aware that the club is due to announce shortly (originally scheduled end May/ early June) who is sponsoring our New training ground/ academy facility. I just wonder what the impact of that announcement might have on potential managers or player targets. It is difficult to judge Toko Nzuzi but I am glad he has joined since he seems to add something different to our other midfielders. Like others I hope we don't make too many new signings before the new Manager is appointed. One or two would be fine but the more scope the new guy has to restructure the squad the better. With possibly 2 GK's. hopefully Ward and a CB plus at least 2, possibly 3, more midfielders (remember Bridcutt, Andrews, Lopez & Orlandi have left) plus two strikers there are about another 8 or 9 players that need signing. Interesting times and a busy summer in prospect. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 5

6:15pm Wed 21 May 14

gordongull says...

There are some Managers who will not work with a DOF so they can be eliminated from the process.
There are other Managers who will work with a DOF, but not if the DOF is the person selecting the transfer targets. If there is a perception that this is what is happening at Brighton and Hove Albion these individuals are less likely to apply.
It is possible that David Burke could put a team together that is capable of finishing in the top two, but that is not what this discussion is about. It is about what effect such signings could have on the callibre of Manager we can attract to the Club.
There are some Managers who will not work with a DOF so they can be eliminated from the process. There are other Managers who will work with a DOF, but not if the DOF is the person selecting the transfer targets. If there is a perception that this is what is happening at Brighton and Hove Albion these individuals are less likely to apply. It is possible that David Burke could put a team together that is capable of finishing in the top two, but that is not what this discussion is about. It is about what effect such signings could have on the callibre of Manager we can attract to the Club. gordongull
  • Score: 3

6:45pm Wed 21 May 14

gordongull says...

Does anyone know how good a working relationship Nathan Jones has with David Burke?
Burke obviously carries a lot of influence at the Amex, and getting his own man installed would be a major consolidation of his power base.
Jones now has a year as Assistant Coach in the Championship to add to his previous coaching experience, and presumably has the relevant badges. There would be no question of paying compensation if he is retained, and the same goes for the backroom staff.
Burke could make a good case to Mr Bloom for Nathan to be made Manager, and the problem of who is responsible for recruitment would suddenly go away.
Does anyone know how good a working relationship Nathan Jones has with David Burke? Burke obviously carries a lot of influence at the Amex, and getting his own man installed would be a major consolidation of his power base. Jones now has a year as Assistant Coach in the Championship to add to his previous coaching experience, and presumably has the relevant badges. There would be no question of paying compensation if he is retained, and the same goes for the backroom staff. Burke could make a good case to Mr Bloom for Nathan to be made Manager, and the problem of who is responsible for recruitment would suddenly go away. gordongull
  • Score: -7

7:16pm Wed 21 May 14

albionbloke says...

Just noticed that Jose Riga has left Charlton todayi. Someone mentioned his name about our job recently. Just adds to the speculation merry-go-round.
Just noticed that Jose Riga has left Charlton todayi. Someone mentioned his name about our job recently. Just adds to the speculation merry-go-round. albionbloke
  • Score: 1

7:19pm Wed 21 May 14

golddene says...

novascotiagull wrote:
AlfieT wrote:
Sherwood remains favourite, has he been interviewed yet, any contact at all from either party?
I get a laugh out of all this talk about favourites. He is only favourite with gamblers, most of whom wouldn't know the first thing about Brighton or Tony or what he wants or needs and what he is willing to accept. He is favourite on a betting service. All these people know is gambling and thats all they care about.

When and if someone at the club, calls someone a favourite, you might want to listen to them, at this point, Sherwood has not even been mentioned as a target, let alone a favourite.

TS is TS's biggest fan, he wants what he wants, and his agent wants even more. TS will not come to Brighton and I doubt he will even be asked.

If I was a betting man, I would get used to seeing Nathan Jones in charge for quite some time. The reason TB says he will not be rushed and will take his time and will select the right man for the job is because he is perfectly happy to sit still with Nathan Jones in charge unless and until he can get who he wants as a Manager on his terms.

PS all new managers inherit teams with somebody elses player picks already in place. There is no other system in place anywhere in football. Why all the fuss that we are picking who goes and who comes without the presence of the next manager?

You guys need to get to the beach and relax and wait for things to unfold. I trust Tony and believe he only has the clubs best interests at heart.
Very well said.
[quote][p][bold]novascotiagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: Sherwood remains favourite, has he been interviewed yet, any contact at all from either party?[/p][/quote]I get a laugh out of all this talk about favourites. He is only favourite with gamblers, most of whom wouldn't know the first thing about Brighton or Tony or what he wants or needs and what he is willing to accept. He is favourite on a betting service. All these people know is gambling and thats all they care about. When and if someone at the club, calls someone a favourite, you might want to listen to them, at this point, Sherwood has not even been mentioned as a target, let alone a favourite. TS is TS's biggest fan, he wants what he wants, and his agent wants even more. TS will not come to Brighton and I doubt he will even be asked. If I was a betting man, I would get used to seeing Nathan Jones in charge for quite some time. The reason TB says he will not be rushed and will take his time and will select the right man for the job is because he is perfectly happy to sit still with Nathan Jones in charge unless and until he can get who he wants as a Manager on his terms. PS all new managers inherit teams with somebody elses player picks already in place. There is no other system in place anywhere in football. Why all the fuss that we are picking who goes and who comes without the presence of the next manager? You guys need to get to the beach and relax and wait for things to unfold. I trust Tony and believe he only has the clubs best interests at heart.[/p][/quote]Very well said. golddene
  • Score: -2

7:45pm Wed 21 May 14

namgo49 says...

BigDGermany wrote:
Don't know why most of you think that he will pick up so many cards. In the Swiss Superleague he play this season 33 out of 36 matches and picked up 9 yellow and no red card. And he played for the runner-up who will also be in the qualifier for the UEFA Champions League! Spoke with a few old friends from my Swiss times and that rate it as a missive loss for Zurich that he's leaving them.
Just looking at the tackles they play a different set of rules over here and too the players are much more savvy at getting other players in to trouble, in particular the likes of the cheats up the M4.
[quote][p][bold]BigDGermany[/bold] wrote: Don't know why most of you think that he will pick up so many cards. In the Swiss Superleague he play this season 33 out of 36 matches and picked up 9 yellow and no red card. And he played for the runner-up who will also be in the qualifier for the UEFA Champions League! Spoke with a few old friends from my Swiss times and that rate it as a missive loss for Zurich that he's leaving them.[/p][/quote]Just looking at the tackles they play a different set of rules over here and too the players are much more savvy at getting other players in to trouble, in particular the likes of the cheats up the M4. namgo49
  • Score: 0

7:53pm Wed 21 May 14

Falmer Wizard says...

I suppose that our financial situation indicates we will have to mainly limit our intake to Free transfers, Toko is going to find it a bit of a step up in the Championship.
Hope a new Manager/Coach is appointed before any more signings are made.
I suppose that our financial situation indicates we will have to mainly limit our intake to Free transfers, Toko is going to find it a bit of a step up in the Championship. Hope a new Manager/Coach is appointed before any more signings are made. Falmer Wizard
  • Score: 4

7:55pm Wed 21 May 14

namgo49 says...

JeffLomer wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Morning boys,

What I've seen off the lad hopefully we have someone to fit nicely alongside croft when fit again and ince, this lad can tackle but will probably pick up alot off cards championships probably a lit quicker football than what he is used too, anyway good signing just need 2 goalkeepers, 3-4 defenders, 2-3 midfielders, 2-3 strikers, o yer and a manager how did I forget that one, looks like a busy summer!!
Up the Albion!!!!
No idea why you have a thumbs down! What your saying is true! This guy is a tackler .. He will get lots of cards! However from the videos on YouTube , he has good technique .. Pace , and can spot danger and close that down.
My problem is our squad is full of piano movers, but not one can play!
( Brian clough ) we need a creative midfielder, JFC is not up to it , he may be 19 , but he lacks technique , pace and physique ..
I do like toko from his video, bags of energy , and does not react to the drama queens when they roll over after being tackled..
Joe cole would be ideal behind ulloa .
Morning Mark,
To be honest I'm not bothered about thumbs down from anyone, but your find people who do that will not reply and say why they disagree,

I posted about Joe Cole when he was released by west ham I got thumbs down for suggesting we take him on a FREE, ideal player for our club for 2-3 years, hope we don't leave it to long about signing Ward on a permanent deal good defender full off energy, Jesse will be let go at united I think I can't see him breaking in to there first team, I'm trying to think off a quality keeper who we might bring in, Jake will be a good player but must stop going missing in some games, who would you like as our next manager Mark!! I don't think the two being mentioned will come, be surprised if one off them did, Steve Clarke for me if we cannot get one off the others being mentioned!!
Up the Albion
Joe Cole is idle, lacks passion and commitment, hence his departure from every club he has been at.

Ward on the other hand has bags of each and I would agree with you re his signing.

Jesse Lingard, goodness I hope he doesn't come here. Lacks power and loses the ball far too often, not up to the big occasion, miffs off the other players and would be a disaster for the club.

Steve Clark - personality void.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Morning boys, What I've seen off the lad hopefully we have someone to fit nicely alongside croft when fit again and ince, this lad can tackle but will probably pick up alot off cards championships probably a lit quicker football than what he is used too, anyway good signing just need 2 goalkeepers, 3-4 defenders, 2-3 midfielders, 2-3 strikers, o yer and a manager how did I forget that one, looks like a busy summer!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]No idea why you have a thumbs down! What your saying is true! This guy is a tackler .. He will get lots of cards! However from the videos on YouTube , he has good technique .. Pace , and can spot danger and close that down. My problem is our squad is full of piano movers, but not one can play! ( Brian clough ) we need a creative midfielder, JFC is not up to it , he may be 19 , but he lacks technique , pace and physique .. I do like toko from his video, bags of energy , and does not react to the drama queens when they roll over after being tackled.. Joe cole would be ideal behind ulloa .[/p][/quote]Morning Mark, To be honest I'm not bothered about thumbs down from anyone, but your find people who do that will not reply and say why they disagree, I posted about Joe Cole when he was released by west ham I got thumbs down for suggesting we take him on a FREE, ideal player for our club for 2-3 years, hope we don't leave it to long about signing Ward on a permanent deal good defender full off energy, Jesse will be let go at united I think I can't see him breaking in to there first team, I'm trying to think off a quality keeper who we might bring in, Jake will be a good player but must stop going missing in some games, who would you like as our next manager Mark!! I don't think the two being mentioned will come, be surprised if one off them did, Steve Clarke for me if we cannot get one off the others being mentioned!! Up the Albion[/p][/quote]Joe Cole is idle, lacks passion and commitment, hence his departure from every club he has been at. Ward on the other hand has bags of each and I would agree with you re his signing. Jesse Lingard, goodness I hope he doesn't come here. Lacks power and loses the ball far too often, not up to the big occasion, miffs off the other players and would be a disaster for the club. Steve Clark - personality void. namgo49
  • Score: -8

8:00pm Wed 21 May 14

namgo49 says...

albionbloke wrote:
Just noticed that Jose Riga has left Charlton todayi. Someone mentioned his name about our job recently. Just adds to the speculation merry-go-round.
What a depressing prospect
[quote][p][bold]albionbloke[/bold] wrote: Just noticed that Jose Riga has left Charlton todayi. Someone mentioned his name about our job recently. Just adds to the speculation merry-go-round.[/p][/quote]What a depressing prospect namgo49
  • Score: 1

8:13pm Wed 21 May 14

gordongull says...

This guy could be a front-runner. Loads of managerial experience in Belgium, but more importantly, was dropped into the Championship, and did a convincing job in taking the bottom club well clear of relegation.
He is my new favourite of Managers who I think realistically will come to the Club. Also, his English is very good, (Sounds a bit like the other Jose!)

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=ebnd9EXr4
mk
This guy could be a front-runner. Loads of managerial experience in Belgium, but more importantly, was dropped into the Championship, and did a convincing job in taking the bottom club well clear of relegation. He is my new favourite of Managers who I think realistically will come to the Club. Also, his English is very good, (Sounds a bit like the other Jose!) http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=ebnd9EXr4 mk gordongull
  • Score: -1

8:30pm Wed 21 May 14

Claude Back says...

gordongull wrote:
Does anyone know how good a working relationship Nathan Jones has with David Burke?
Burke obviously carries a lot of influence at the Amex, and getting his own man installed would be a major consolidation of his power base.
Jones now has a year as Assistant Coach in the Championship to add to his previous coaching experience, and presumably has the relevant badges. There would be no question of paying compensation if he is retained, and the same goes for the backroom staff.
Burke could make a good case to Mr Bloom for Nathan to be made Manager, and the problem of who is responsible for recruitment would suddenly go away.
....and so would most of the fans, I expect. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know how good a working relationship Nathan Jones has with David Burke? Burke obviously carries a lot of influence at the Amex, and getting his own man installed would be a major consolidation of his power base. Jones now has a year as Assistant Coach in the Championship to add to his previous coaching experience, and presumably has the relevant badges. There would be no question of paying compensation if he is retained, and the same goes for the backroom staff. Burke could make a good case to Mr Bloom for Nathan to be made Manager, and the problem of who is responsible for recruitment would suddenly go away.[/p][/quote]....and so would most of the fans, I expect. ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: 5

8:42pm Wed 21 May 14

gordongull says...

You are an irredeemable sceptic, Claude :-)
You are an irredeemable sceptic, Claude :-) gordongull
  • Score: 1

9:06pm Wed 21 May 14

SMF20 says...

One chap on NSC is absolutely convinced it is Chris Hughton that will be arriving soon. Didn't seem like a wind up.
One chap on NSC is absolutely convinced it is Chris Hughton that will be arriving soon. Didn't seem like a wind up. SMF20
  • Score: 0

9:14pm Wed 21 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

linzowen wrote:
Steve Clark is not for me ! Yes he may have good credentials and i'm sure those who would like him here have sound judgement on that.For me personally there's a big BUT and that is that he's just so dull. Gus's enthusiasm was great up to a point. Oscar has great dignity and went about his business quietly. I would like a manager who could give us that excitement on the pitch and show the integrity and loyalty to the club and the fans and enthuse and empower all within to make that push for the prem. Malky Mackay was my first choice but sadly that wont be, Tim Sherwood may be the one, i don't know, but i think he would throw himself wholeheartedly into it. He would get my support. Please not Stevie baby we all need a lift, i can't think of myself religoiusly watching seagulls player with him giving pre and post match interviews. Sorry !
I respect your opinion linzowen and surely it's in the dressing room, on the training pitch and in the match that counts. The greatest England manager ever, Sir Alf Ramsey, was as dull as dishwater in his interviews but boy did those players want to play for him. I feel it's important not to get influenced by what managers appear in press conferences. I think I would struggle with some of the dopey questions they ask. From what I hear, Steve Clark was deeply respected by his players. That's all that matters to me. Let's see what transpires!
[quote][p][bold]linzowen[/bold] wrote: Steve Clark is not for me ! Yes he may have good credentials and i'm sure those who would like him here have sound judgement on that.For me personally there's a big BUT and that is that he's just so dull. Gus's enthusiasm was great up to a point. Oscar has great dignity and went about his business quietly. I would like a manager who could give us that excitement on the pitch and show the integrity and loyalty to the club and the fans and enthuse and empower all within to make that push for the prem. Malky Mackay was my first choice but sadly that wont be, Tim Sherwood may be the one, i don't know, but i think he would throw himself wholeheartedly into it. He would get my support. Please not Stevie baby we all need a lift, i can't think of myself religoiusly watching seagulls player with him giving pre and post match interviews. Sorry ![/p][/quote]I respect your opinion linzowen and surely it's in the dressing room, on the training pitch and in the match that counts. The greatest England manager ever, Sir Alf Ramsey, was as dull as dishwater in his interviews but boy did those players want to play for him. I feel it's important not to get influenced by what managers appear in press conferences. I think I would struggle with some of the dopey questions they ask. From what I hear, Steve Clark was deeply respected by his players. That's all that matters to me. Let's see what transpires! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: -1

9:18pm Wed 21 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Whether this new lad is a good signing, or not, we don't know yet but one thing for sure is, some faces at the club think he is. As Bloom says, we had this kid lined up before our season ended, I would guess that means we have been tracking him for some time.

The important thing for me is that the club appears to be looking to reduce the average age of our squad, and more importantly, I hope, our starting eleven.
Pre-season will see a bunch of players aged 25 or younger, all looking to claim a starting shirt, Toko, Monakana, Solly, Ince, JFC, Walton, Dunk, Stephens, Chicksen, Kaz and Buckley, that has to be a good thing.
I doubt that we will be able to land Lingard on a season long loan but I would be amazed if we were not trying to do so.

More players will come, we know that, and with any luck a couple of those players will be younger defenders with some pace about them, and I would expect that we will see one or two older guys with experience brought in, an experienced creative midfielder would work for me no matter what his age.

My hope is that the players we buy are young, spend the cash today with an eye on tomorrow, and when we look for the more experienced recruits, we use the loan system. There is a fine balance to be struck between youth and experience and I am sure that getting the right manager in, one that can achieve this balance, will play into the thinking of Bloom when evaluating who can bring what to the club.
Agree all the way and maybe add - FIT players! Too many recent signings were clearly injury prone!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Whether this new lad is a good signing, or not, we don't know yet but one thing for sure is, some faces at the club think he is. As Bloom says, we had this kid lined up before our season ended, I would guess that means we have been tracking him for some time. The important thing for me is that the club appears to be looking to reduce the average age of our squad, and more importantly, I hope, our starting eleven. Pre-season will see a bunch of players aged 25 or younger, all looking to claim a starting shirt, Toko, Monakana, Solly, Ince, JFC, Walton, Dunk, Stephens, Chicksen, Kaz and Buckley, that has to be a good thing. I doubt that we will be able to land Lingard on a season long loan but I would be amazed if we were not trying to do so. More players will come, we know that, and with any luck a couple of those players will be younger defenders with some pace about them, and I would expect that we will see one or two older guys with experience brought in, an experienced creative midfielder would work for me no matter what his age. My hope is that the players we buy are young, spend the cash today with an eye on tomorrow, and when we look for the more experienced recruits, we use the loan system. There is a fine balance to be struck between youth and experience and I am sure that getting the right manager in, one that can achieve this balance, will play into the thinking of Bloom when evaluating who can bring what to the club.[/p][/quote]Agree all the way and maybe add - FIT players! Too many recent signings were clearly injury prone! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: -1

9:27pm Wed 21 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

pte wrote:
Burke made a few duff signings but everyone has done that. Made some good signings too. Missed out on a few good signings but that may have been due to cash restrictions. But he and Barber are ex Spurs so they must know something.
Potential managers will know them by reputation and a level of footballing inside information greater than ours. They will either be encouraged or discouraged based on that
pte - don't think David Burke is ex Spurs. For information here is his background as a player. After retiring he has been at Fulham, Man City and Southampton scouting.

David Burke
Personal information
Full name David Ian Burke
Date of birth 6 August 1960 (age 53)
Place of birth Liverpool, England
Height 5 ft 10 in (1.78 m)
Playing position Defender (retired)
Senior career*
Years Team Apps† (
Gls)†
1977-1981 Bolton Wanderers 69 (1)
1981-1987 Huddersfie
ld Town 189 (3)
1987-1990 Crystal Palace 81 (0)
1990-1994 Bolton Wanderers 106 (0)
1994-1996 Blackpool
23 (0)
Total 468 (4)
* Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only.
† Appearances (Goals).
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: Burke made a few duff signings but everyone has done that. Made some good signings too. Missed out on a few good signings but that may have been due to cash restrictions. But he and Barber are ex Spurs so they must know something. Potential managers will know them by reputation and a level of footballing inside information greater than ours. They will either be encouraged or discouraged based on that[/p][/quote]pte - don't think David Burke is ex Spurs. For information here is his background as a player. After retiring he has been at Fulham, Man City and Southampton scouting. David Burke Personal information Full name David Ian Burke Date of birth 6 August 1960 (age 53) Place of birth Liverpool, England Height 5 ft 10 in (1.78 m) Playing position Defender (retired) Senior career* Years Team Apps† ( Gls)† 1977-1981 Bolton Wanderers 69 (1) 1981-1987 Huddersfie ld Town 189 (3) 1987-1990 Crystal Palace 81 (0) 1990-1994 Bolton Wanderers 106 (0) 1994-1996 Blackpool 23 (0) Total 468 (4) * Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only. † Appearances (Goals). WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 0

9:32pm Wed 21 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

gordongull wrote:
Does anyone know how good a working relationship Nathan Jones has with David Burke?
Burke obviously carries a lot of influence at the Amex, and getting his own man installed would be a major consolidation of his power base.
Jones now has a year as Assistant Coach in the Championship to add to his previous coaching experience, and presumably has the relevant badges. There would be no question of paying compensation if he is retained, and the same goes for the backroom staff.
Burke could make a good case to Mr Bloom for Nathan to be made Manager, and the problem of who is responsible for recruitment would suddenly go away.
Is your real name Nathan Jones? Please no! We need Premier quality coaches if we aspire to be a Premiership club. I'm not so sure that Nathan's not been hankering for the job for some time but in my opinion he's not the right calibre. However if he's one of Burke's men it's far from impossible!
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know how good a working relationship Nathan Jones has with David Burke? Burke obviously carries a lot of influence at the Amex, and getting his own man installed would be a major consolidation of his power base. Jones now has a year as Assistant Coach in the Championship to add to his previous coaching experience, and presumably has the relevant badges. There would be no question of paying compensation if he is retained, and the same goes for the backroom staff. Burke could make a good case to Mr Bloom for Nathan to be made Manager, and the problem of who is responsible for recruitment would suddenly go away.[/p][/quote]Is your real name Nathan Jones? Please no! We need Premier quality coaches if we aspire to be a Premiership club. I'm not so sure that Nathan's not been hankering for the job for some time but in my opinion he's not the right calibre. However if he's one of Burke's men it's far from impossible! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: -1

9:33pm Wed 21 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

gordongull wrote:
Does anyone know how good a working relationship Nathan Jones has with David Burke?
Burke obviously carries a lot of influence at the Amex, and getting his own man installed would be a major consolidation of his power base.
Jones now has a year as Assistant Coach in the Championship to add to his previous coaching experience, and presumably has the relevant badges. There would be no question of paying compensation if he is retained, and the same goes for the backroom staff.
Burke could make a good case to Mr Bloom for Nathan to be made Manager, and the problem of who is responsible for recruitment would suddenly go away.
Is your real name Nathan Jones? Please no! We need Premier quality coaches if we aspire to be a Premiership club. I'm not so sure that Nathan's not been hankering for the job for some time but in my opinion he's not the right calibre. However if he's one of Burke's men it's far from impossible!
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know how good a working relationship Nathan Jones has with David Burke? Burke obviously carries a lot of influence at the Amex, and getting his own man installed would be a major consolidation of his power base. Jones now has a year as Assistant Coach in the Championship to add to his previous coaching experience, and presumably has the relevant badges. There would be no question of paying compensation if he is retained, and the same goes for the backroom staff. Burke could make a good case to Mr Bloom for Nathan to be made Manager, and the problem of who is responsible for recruitment would suddenly go away.[/p][/quote]Is your real name Nathan Jones? Please no! We need Premier quality coaches if we aspire to be a Premiership club. I'm not so sure that Nathan's not been hankering for the job for some time but in my opinion he's not the right calibre. However if he's one of Burke's men it's far from impossible! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: -1

9:43pm Wed 21 May 14

albionbloke says...

namgo49 wrote:
albionbloke wrote:
Just noticed that Jose Riga has left Charlton todayi. Someone mentioned his name about our job recently. Just adds to the speculation merry-go-round.
What a depressing prospect
Agreed!! Not on my wanted list.
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albionbloke[/bold] wrote: Just noticed that Jose Riga has left Charlton todayi. Someone mentioned his name about our job recently. Just adds to the speculation merry-go-round.[/p][/quote]What a depressing prospect[/p][/quote]Agreed!! Not on my wanted list. albionbloke
  • Score: -1

10:14pm Wed 21 May 14

gordongull says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
pte wrote:
Burke made a few duff signings but everyone has done that. Made some good signings too. Missed out on a few good signings but that may have been due to cash restrictions. But he and Barber are ex Spurs so they must know something.
Potential managers will know them by reputation and a level of footballing inside information greater than ours. They will either be encouraged or discouraged based on that
pte - don't think David Burke is ex Spurs. For information here is his background as a player. After retiring he has been at Fulham, Man City and Southampton scouting.

David Burke
Personal information
Full name David Ian Burke
Date of birth 6 August 1960 (age 53)
Place of birth Liverpool, England
Height 5 ft 10 in (1.78 m)
Playing position Defender (retired)
Senior career*
Years Team Apps† (

Gls)†
1977-1981 Bolton Wanderers 69 (1)
1981-1987 Huddersfie

ld Town 189 (3)
1987-1990 Crystal Palace 81 (0)
1990-1994 Bolton Wanderers 106 (0)
1994-1996 Blackpool

23 (0)
Total 468 (4)
* Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only.
† Appearances (Goals).
That is a profile of David Burke footballer, not our David Burke!
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: Burke made a few duff signings but everyone has done that. Made some good signings too. Missed out on a few good signings but that may have been due to cash restrictions. But he and Barber are ex Spurs so they must know something. Potential managers will know them by reputation and a level of footballing inside information greater than ours. They will either be encouraged or discouraged based on that[/p][/quote]pte - don't think David Burke is ex Spurs. For information here is his background as a player. After retiring he has been at Fulham, Man City and Southampton scouting. David Burke Personal information Full name David Ian Burke Date of birth 6 August 1960 (age 53) Place of birth Liverpool, England Height 5 ft 10 in (1.78 m) Playing position Defender (retired) Senior career* Years Team Apps† ( Gls)† 1977-1981 Bolton Wanderers 69 (1) 1981-1987 Huddersfie ld Town 189 (3) 1987-1990 Crystal Palace 81 (0) 1990-1994 Bolton Wanderers 106 (0) 1994-1996 Blackpool 23 (0) Total 468 (4) * Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only. † Appearances (Goals).[/p][/quote]That is a profile of David Burke footballer, not our David Burke! gordongull
  • Score: 2

10:17pm Wed 21 May 14

gordongull says...

http://www.sporting-
heroes.net/football/
bolton-wanderers-fc/
david-burke-5932/77-
78-80-81-90-91-93-94
_a13275/
http://www.sporting- heroes.net/football/ bolton-wanderers-fc/ david-burke-5932/77- 78-80-81-90-91-93-94 _a13275/ gordongull
  • Score: 0

12:31am Thu 22 May 14

pte says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
pte wrote:
Burke made a few duff signings but everyone has done that. Made some good signings too. Missed out on a few good signings but that may have been due to cash restrictions. But he and Barber are ex Spurs so they must know something.
Potential managers will know them by reputation and a level of footballing inside information greater than ours. They will either be encouraged or discouraged based on that
pte - don't think David Burke is ex Spurs. For information here is his background as a player. After retiring he has been at Fulham, Man City and Southampton scouting.

David Burke
Personal information
Full name David Ian Burke
Date of birth 6 August 1960 (age 53)
Place of birth Liverpool, England
Height 5 ft 10 in (1.78 m)
Playing position Defender (retired)
Senior career*
Years Team Apps† (

Gls)†
1977-1981 Bolton Wanderers 69 (1)
1981-1987 Huddersfie

ld Town 189 (3)
1987-1990 Crystal Palace 81 (0)
1990-1994 Bolton Wanderers 106 (0)
1994-1996 Blackpool

23 (0)
Total 468 (4)
* Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only.
† Appearances (Goals).
Thanks Wisdom
Man City, Fulham and Soton are big clubs. How senior a role did he have there or was he just part time freelance on expenses?
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: Burke made a few duff signings but everyone has done that. Made some good signings too. Missed out on a few good signings but that may have been due to cash restrictions. But he and Barber are ex Spurs so they must know something. Potential managers will know them by reputation and a level of footballing inside information greater than ours. They will either be encouraged or discouraged based on that[/p][/quote]pte - don't think David Burke is ex Spurs. For information here is his background as a player. After retiring he has been at Fulham, Man City and Southampton scouting. David Burke Personal information Full name David Ian Burke Date of birth 6 August 1960 (age 53) Place of birth Liverpool, England Height 5 ft 10 in (1.78 m) Playing position Defender (retired) Senior career* Years Team Apps† ( Gls)† 1977-1981 Bolton Wanderers 69 (1) 1981-1987 Huddersfie ld Town 189 (3) 1987-1990 Crystal Palace 81 (0) 1990-1994 Bolton Wanderers 106 (0) 1994-1996 Blackpool 23 (0) Total 468 (4) * Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only. † Appearances (Goals).[/p][/quote]Thanks Wisdom Man City, Fulham and Soton are big clubs. How senior a role did he have there or was he just part time freelance on expenses? pte
  • Score: -3

1:47am Thu 22 May 14

SevenD says...

JeffLomer wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Morning boys,

What I've seen off the lad hopefully we have someone to fit nicely alongside croft when fit again and ince, this lad can tackle but will probably pick up alot off cards championships probably a lit quicker football than what he is used too, anyway good signing just need 2 goalkeepers, 3-4 defenders, 2-3 midfielders, 2-3 strikers, o yer and a manager how did I forget that one, looks like a busy summer!!
Up the Albion!!!!
No idea why you have a thumbs down! What your saying is true! This guy is a tackler .. He will get lots of cards! However from the videos on YouTube , he has good technique .. Pace , and can spot danger and close that down.
My problem is our squad is full of piano movers, but not one can play!
( Brian clough ) we need a creative midfielder, JFC is not up to it , he may be 19 , but he lacks technique , pace and physique ..
I do like toko from his video, bags of energy , and does not react to the drama queens when they roll over after being tackled..
Joe cole would be ideal behind ulloa .
Morning Mark,
To be honest I'm not bothered about thumbs down from anyone, but your find people who do that will not reply and say why they disagree,

I posted about Joe Cole when he was released by west ham I got thumbs down for suggesting we take him on a FREE, ideal player for our club for 2-3 years, hope we don't leave it to long about signing Ward on a permanent deal good defender full off energy, Jesse will be let go at united I think I can't see him breaking in to there first team, I'm trying to think off a quality keeper who we might bring in, Jake will be a good player but must stop going missing in some games, who would you like as our next manager Mark!! I don't think the two being mentioned will come, be surprised if one off them did, Steve Clarke for me if we cannot get one off the others being mentioned!!
Up the Albion
Arsenal Fabianski... hmmm ..insider info.. we'll see ??
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Morning boys, What I've seen off the lad hopefully we have someone to fit nicely alongside croft when fit again and ince, this lad can tackle but will probably pick up alot off cards championships probably a lit quicker football than what he is used too, anyway good signing just need 2 goalkeepers, 3-4 defenders, 2-3 midfielders, 2-3 strikers, o yer and a manager how did I forget that one, looks like a busy summer!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]No idea why you have a thumbs down! What your saying is true! This guy is a tackler .. He will get lots of cards! However from the videos on YouTube , he has good technique .. Pace , and can spot danger and close that down. My problem is our squad is full of piano movers, but not one can play! ( Brian clough ) we need a creative midfielder, JFC is not up to it , he may be 19 , but he lacks technique , pace and physique .. I do like toko from his video, bags of energy , and does not react to the drama queens when they roll over after being tackled.. Joe cole would be ideal behind ulloa .[/p][/quote]Morning Mark, To be honest I'm not bothered about thumbs down from anyone, but your find people who do that will not reply and say why they disagree, I posted about Joe Cole when he was released by west ham I got thumbs down for suggesting we take him on a FREE, ideal player for our club for 2-3 years, hope we don't leave it to long about signing Ward on a permanent deal good defender full off energy, Jesse will be let go at united I think I can't see him breaking in to there first team, I'm trying to think off a quality keeper who we might bring in, Jake will be a good player but must stop going missing in some games, who would you like as our next manager Mark!! I don't think the two being mentioned will come, be surprised if one off them did, Steve Clarke for me if we cannot get one off the others being mentioned!! Up the Albion[/p][/quote]Arsenal Fabianski... hmmm ..insider info.. we'll see ?? SevenD
  • Score: 0

5:42am Thu 22 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

pte wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too...
If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process?
On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind.
So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence?
It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business?
It just feels a bit uncomfortable......
We need about 10 news players. This guy is just one. The incoming manager will have plenty of time to help identify further talent if that falls within the remit of the job (which, from TB's comments, it does).

As someone else said, managers inherit squads all the time, so this is no different.

Also, this transfer was already in place. Should the club have reneged on the agreement the second OG walked out the door?
Candidates for the job will be influenced by what it looks like happened, if the facts are not known.
What looks like happened is that the DOF has identified a player for the squad, and negotiated a deal to bring him to the Club. There might have been input from Oscar, but does anyone really believe that was the case?
Toko could be a prove to be a great signing for B&HA, but will be seen by prospective candidates as an advance warning of what to expect regarding transfer policy.
Surely, if a candidate is unsure of what has happened, he is in the perfect position to ask the club what the facts actually are? Anyone deciding not to apply based on the supposition favoured on here rather than research is not a serious candidate at all.
Supposition is pretty much all we have, but the reality is anyone preparing to sit in the interviewee's chair, will have spoken to plenty of people within football to get the inside track before they need to ask such a question of the club. And hey, who knows, they might hear glowing reports? But if I was a candidate, I'd speak to people close enough to GP and OG to get a full view of the landscape so I can draw my own conclusions from all versions.
Gus and OG are likely to give a biased and one sided account. Burke and Barber will have a reputation within the game based on years of dealings with scouts, managers, players etc and you can't stop people talking. That reputation will be good or bad but any manager will know what they are coming into without asking previous managers unless they come from abroad perhaps
pte,
Managers and coaches will ask managers and coaches. It's how it works in football and the same principle operates in any walk of life. Of course, one-sided accounts are to be expected from just about anyone which is why I said candidates will do their own research and not rely just on what the club says. And that will include, directly or indirectly, GP and OG.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too... If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process? On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind. So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence? It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business? It just feels a bit uncomfortable......[/p][/quote]We need about 10 news players. This guy is just one. The incoming manager will have plenty of time to help identify further talent if that falls within the remit of the job (which, from TB's comments, it does). As someone else said, managers inherit squads all the time, so this is no different. Also, this transfer was already in place. Should the club have reneged on the agreement the second OG walked out the door?[/p][/quote]Candidates for the job will be influenced by what it looks like happened, if the facts are not known. What looks like happened is that the DOF has identified a player for the squad, and negotiated a deal to bring him to the Club. There might have been input from Oscar, but does anyone really believe that was the case? Toko could be a prove to be a great signing for B&HA, but will be seen by prospective candidates as an advance warning of what to expect regarding transfer policy.[/p][/quote]Surely, if a candidate is unsure of what has happened, he is in the perfect position to ask the club what the facts actually are? Anyone deciding not to apply based on the supposition favoured on here rather than research is not a serious candidate at all.[/p][/quote]Supposition is pretty much all we have, but the reality is anyone preparing to sit in the interviewee's chair, will have spoken to plenty of people within football to get the inside track before they need to ask such a question of the club. And hey, who knows, they might hear glowing reports? But if I was a candidate, I'd speak to people close enough to GP and OG to get a full view of the landscape so I can draw my own conclusions from all versions.[/p][/quote]Gus and OG are likely to give a biased and one sided account. Burke and Barber will have a reputation within the game based on years of dealings with scouts, managers, players etc and you can't stop people talking. That reputation will be good or bad but any manager will know what they are coming into without asking previous managers unless they come from abroad perhaps[/p][/quote]pte, Managers and coaches will ask managers and coaches. It's how it works in football and the same principle operates in any walk of life. Of course, one-sided accounts are to be expected from just about anyone which is why I said candidates will do their own research and not rely just on what the club says. And that will include, directly or indirectly, GP and OG. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 0

6:08am Thu 22 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

gordongull wrote:
There are some Managers who will not work with a DOF so they can be eliminated from the process.
There are other Managers who will work with a DOF, but not if the DOF is the person selecting the transfer targets. If there is a perception that this is what is happening at Brighton and Hove Albion these individuals are less likely to apply.
It is possible that David Burke could put a team together that is capable of finishing in the top two, but that is not what this discussion is about. It is about what effect such signings could have on the callibre of Manager we can attract to the Club.
Halleluhah.
It's what i've been saying -and voicing my personally held opinion on - but getting verbals and thumbs down all the way.
None of us really know what's going on behind the scenes - and neither should we - so it's amazing that some of the Headmasters on here offer up strenuous opinion that apparently sets the standard and are then critical of polite alternatives by claiming they're based on supposition.
My view (again) is that parading new players during the search for a new manager sends out a negative signal to those who may be interested. Ultimately, a manager is judged on results and if he thinks his performance is going to be shaped by the decisions of others, he's less likely to be impressed. Hence the field of candidates is reduced and potentially (oops sorry, that's speculation again) the quality too.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: There are some Managers who will not work with a DOF so they can be eliminated from the process. There are other Managers who will work with a DOF, but not if the DOF is the person selecting the transfer targets. If there is a perception that this is what is happening at Brighton and Hove Albion these individuals are less likely to apply. It is possible that David Burke could put a team together that is capable of finishing in the top two, but that is not what this discussion is about. It is about what effect such signings could have on the callibre of Manager we can attract to the Club.[/p][/quote]Halleluhah. It's what i've been saying -and voicing my personally held opinion on - but getting verbals and thumbs down all the way. None of us really know what's going on behind the scenes - and neither should we - so it's amazing that some of the Headmasters on here offer up strenuous opinion that apparently sets the standard and are then critical of polite alternatives by claiming they're based on supposition. My view (again) is that parading new players during the search for a new manager sends out a negative signal to those who may be interested. Ultimately, a manager is judged on results and if he thinks his performance is going to be shaped by the decisions of others, he's less likely to be impressed. Hence the field of candidates is reduced and potentially (oops sorry, that's speculation again) the quality too. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

10:13am Thu 22 May 14

BigDGermany says...

namgo49 wrote:
BigDGermany wrote:
Don't know why most of you think that he will pick up so many cards. In the Swiss Superleague he play this season 33 out of 36 matches and picked up 9 yellow and no red card. And he played for the runner-up who will also be in the qualifier for the UEFA Champions League! Spoke with a few old friends from my Swiss times and that rate it as a missive loss for Zurich that he's leaving them.
Just looking at the tackles they play a different set of rules over here and too the players are much more savvy at getting other players in to trouble, in particular the likes of the cheats up the M4.
I guess I know a bit about Swiss football as I've lived almost 8 years there and still follow the top 2 divisions over there. And actually the refs in Switzerland and much quicker with showing cards then in the UK. And they also got their cheaters e.g. in Bern or Basel.
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BigDGermany[/bold] wrote: Don't know why most of you think that he will pick up so many cards. In the Swiss Superleague he play this season 33 out of 36 matches and picked up 9 yellow and no red card. And he played for the runner-up who will also be in the qualifier for the UEFA Champions League! Spoke with a few old friends from my Swiss times and that rate it as a missive loss for Zurich that he's leaving them.[/p][/quote]Just looking at the tackles they play a different set of rules over here and too the players are much more savvy at getting other players in to trouble, in particular the likes of the cheats up the M4.[/p][/quote]I guess I know a bit about Swiss football as I've lived almost 8 years there and still follow the top 2 divisions over there. And actually the refs in Switzerland and much quicker with showing cards then in the UK. And they also got their cheaters e.g. in Bern or Basel. BigDGermany
  • Score: 0

11:31am Thu 22 May 14

pte says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
pte wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too...
If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process?
On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind.
So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence?
It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business?
It just feels a bit uncomfortable......
We need about 10 news players. This guy is just one. The incoming manager will have plenty of time to help identify further talent if that falls within the remit of the job (which, from TB's comments, it does).

As someone else said, managers inherit squads all the time, so this is no different.

Also, this transfer was already in place. Should the club have reneged on the agreement the second OG walked out the door?
Candidates for the job will be influenced by what it looks like happened, if the facts are not known.
What looks like happened is that the DOF has identified a player for the squad, and negotiated a deal to bring him to the Club. There might have been input from Oscar, but does anyone really believe that was the case?
Toko could be a prove to be a great signing for B&HA, but will be seen by prospective candidates as an advance warning of what to expect regarding transfer policy.
Surely, if a candidate is unsure of what has happened, he is in the perfect position to ask the club what the facts actually are? Anyone deciding not to apply based on the supposition favoured on here rather than research is not a serious candidate at all.
Supposition is pretty much all we have, but the reality is anyone preparing to sit in the interviewee's chair, will have spoken to plenty of people within football to get the inside track before they need to ask such a question of the club. And hey, who knows, they might hear glowing reports? But if I was a candidate, I'd speak to people close enough to GP and OG to get a full view of the landscape so I can draw my own conclusions from all versions.
Gus and OG are likely to give a biased and one sided account. Burke and Barber will have a reputation within the game based on years of dealings with scouts, managers, players etc and you can't stop people talking. That reputation will be good or bad but any manager will know what they are coming into without asking previous managers unless they come from abroad perhaps
pte,
Managers and coaches will ask managers and coaches. It's how it works in football and the same principle operates in any walk of life. Of course, one-sided accounts are to be expected from just about anyone which is why I said candidates will do their own research and not rely just on what the club says. And that will include, directly or indirectly, GP and OG.
My point is they won't need to even talk to the ex manager, they will already know by the talk within football. Sure they might talk to the ex manager before they are approached or they apply. But they may not wish to divulge to anyone that they are interested in the job or being considered for it. By keeping their cards close to their chest they don't warn the competition who might put the boot into their chances by spreading false gossip. By being too open you can lose a job thats almost in the bag
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: I have remained a staunch defender of our set up and will remain so... To a point. Also, I have no knowledge of Toko so won't offer an opinion, but his signing does highlight a concern raised by others too... If this lad was identified and pursued before the end of the season, that would mean OG would have been party to that process? On that basis, I can only think he was underwhelmed at the prospect and saw the writing on the wall in terms of the balance of power on signings. It clearly didn't force a change of mind. So I wonder who, in their right mind, is going to be prepared to work with a squad assembled in their absence? It's possible to have a new bloke identified who is contractually tied at present but is "advising" but that wouldn't fit with the timescale on this piece of business? It just feels a bit uncomfortable......[/p][/quote]We need about 10 news players. This guy is just one. The incoming manager will have plenty of time to help identify further talent if that falls within the remit of the job (which, from TB's comments, it does). As someone else said, managers inherit squads all the time, so this is no different. Also, this transfer was already in place. Should the club have reneged on the agreement the second OG walked out the door?[/p][/quote]Candidates for the job will be influenced by what it looks like happened, if the facts are not known. What looks like happened is that the DOF has identified a player for the squad, and negotiated a deal to bring him to the Club. There might have been input from Oscar, but does anyone really believe that was the case? Toko could be a prove to be a great signing for B&HA, but will be seen by prospective candidates as an advance warning of what to expect regarding transfer policy.[/p][/quote]Surely, if a candidate is unsure of what has happened, he is in the perfect position to ask the club what the facts actually are? Anyone deciding not to apply based on the supposition favoured on here rather than research is not a serious candidate at all.[/p][/quote]Supposition is pretty much all we have, but the reality is anyone preparing to sit in the interviewee's chair, will have spoken to plenty of people within football to get the inside track before they need to ask such a question of the club. And hey, who knows, they might hear glowing reports? But if I was a candidate, I'd speak to people close enough to GP and OG to get a full view of the landscape so I can draw my own conclusions from all versions.[/p][/quote]Gus and OG are likely to give a biased and one sided account. Burke and Barber will have a reputation within the game based on years of dealings with scouts, managers, players etc and you can't stop people talking. That reputation will be good or bad but any manager will know what they are coming into without asking previous managers unless they come from abroad perhaps[/p][/quote]pte, Managers and coaches will ask managers and coaches. It's how it works in football and the same principle operates in any walk of life. Of course, one-sided accounts are to be expected from just about anyone which is why I said candidates will do their own research and not rely just on what the club says. And that will include, directly or indirectly, GP and OG.[/p][/quote]My point is they won't need to even talk to the ex manager, they will already know by the talk within football. Sure they might talk to the ex manager before they are approached or they apply. But they may not wish to divulge to anyone that they are interested in the job or being considered for it. By keeping their cards close to their chest they don't warn the competition who might put the boot into their chances by spreading false gossip. By being too open you can lose a job thats almost in the bag pte
  • Score: 0

11:36am Thu 22 May 14

pte says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
gordongull wrote:
There are some Managers who will not work with a DOF so they can be eliminated from the process.
There are other Managers who will work with a DOF, but not if the DOF is the person selecting the transfer targets. If there is a perception that this is what is happening at Brighton and Hove Albion these individuals are less likely to apply.
It is possible that David Burke could put a team together that is capable of finishing in the top two, but that is not what this discussion is about. It is about what effect such signings could have on the callibre of Manager we can attract to the Club.
Halleluhah.
It's what i've been saying -and voicing my personally held opinion on - but getting verbals and thumbs down all the way.
None of us really know what's going on behind the scenes - and neither should we - so it's amazing that some of the Headmasters on here offer up strenuous opinion that apparently sets the standard and are then critical of polite alternatives by claiming they're based on supposition.
My view (again) is that parading new players during the search for a new manager sends out a negative signal to those who may be interested. Ultimately, a manager is judged on results and if he thinks his performance is going to be shaped by the decisions of others, he's less likely to be impressed. Hence the field of candidates is reduced and potentially (oops sorry, that's speculation again) the quality too.
It depends on the quality of the signings. Rubbish signings and the new man is put off. Good signings and the new man is excited to join. Also, it depends on the length and quality of the contract offered.

There you are an alternative opinion
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: There are some Managers who will not work with a DOF so they can be eliminated from the process. There are other Managers who will work with a DOF, but not if the DOF is the person selecting the transfer targets. If there is a perception that this is what is happening at Brighton and Hove Albion these individuals are less likely to apply. It is possible that David Burke could put a team together that is capable of finishing in the top two, but that is not what this discussion is about. It is about what effect such signings could have on the callibre of Manager we can attract to the Club.[/p][/quote]Halleluhah. It's what i've been saying -and voicing my personally held opinion on - but getting verbals and thumbs down all the way. None of us really know what's going on behind the scenes - and neither should we - so it's amazing that some of the Headmasters on here offer up strenuous opinion that apparently sets the standard and are then critical of polite alternatives by claiming they're based on supposition. My view (again) is that parading new players during the search for a new manager sends out a negative signal to those who may be interested. Ultimately, a manager is judged on results and if he thinks his performance is going to be shaped by the decisions of others, he's less likely to be impressed. Hence the field of candidates is reduced and potentially (oops sorry, that's speculation again) the quality too.[/p][/quote]It depends on the quality of the signings. Rubbish signings and the new man is put off. Good signings and the new man is excited to join. Also, it depends on the length and quality of the contract offered. There you are an alternative opinion pte
  • Score: 1

1:59pm Thu 22 May 14

gordongull says...

pte wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
gordongull wrote:
There are some Managers who will not work with a DOF so they can be eliminated from the process.
There are other Managers who will work with a DOF, but not if the DOF is the person selecting the transfer targets. If there is a perception that this is what is happening at Brighton and Hove Albion these individuals are less likely to apply.
It is possible that David Burke could put a team together that is capable of finishing in the top two, but that is not what this discussion is about. It is about what effect such signings could have on the callibre of Manager we can attract to the Club.
Halleluhah.
It's what i've been saying -and voicing my personally held opinion on - but getting verbals and thumbs down all the way.
None of us really know what's going on behind the scenes - and neither should we - so it's amazing that some of the Headmasters on here offer up strenuous opinion that apparently sets the standard and are then critical of polite alternatives by claiming they're based on supposition.
My view (again) is that parading new players during the search for a new manager sends out a negative signal to those who may be interested. Ultimately, a manager is judged on results and if he thinks his performance is going to be shaped by the decisions of others, he's less likely to be impressed. Hence the field of candidates is reduced and potentially (oops sorry, that's speculation again) the quality too.
It depends on the quality of the signings. Rubbish signings and the new man is put off. Good signings and the new man is excited to join. Also, it depends on the length and quality of the contract offered.

There you are an alternative opinion
I think I've figured out why Gus was sacked:
Trying to interfere with player recruitment ;-)
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: There are some Managers who will not work with a DOF so they can be eliminated from the process. There are other Managers who will work with a DOF, but not if the DOF is the person selecting the transfer targets. If there is a perception that this is what is happening at Brighton and Hove Albion these individuals are less likely to apply. It is possible that David Burke could put a team together that is capable of finishing in the top two, but that is not what this discussion is about. It is about what effect such signings could have on the callibre of Manager we can attract to the Club.[/p][/quote]Halleluhah. It's what i've been saying -and voicing my personally held opinion on - but getting verbals and thumbs down all the way. None of us really know what's going on behind the scenes - and neither should we - so it's amazing that some of the Headmasters on here offer up strenuous opinion that apparently sets the standard and are then critical of polite alternatives by claiming they're based on supposition. My view (again) is that parading new players during the search for a new manager sends out a negative signal to those who may be interested. Ultimately, a manager is judged on results and if he thinks his performance is going to be shaped by the decisions of others, he's less likely to be impressed. Hence the field of candidates is reduced and potentially (oops sorry, that's speculation again) the quality too.[/p][/quote]It depends on the quality of the signings. Rubbish signings and the new man is put off. Good signings and the new man is excited to join. Also, it depends on the length and quality of the contract offered. There you are an alternative opinion[/p][/quote]I think I've figured out why Gus was sacked: Trying to interfere with player recruitment ;-) gordongull
  • Score: 0

2:21pm Thu 22 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

pte wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
gordongull wrote: There are some Managers who will not work with a DOF so they can be eliminated from the process. There are other Managers who will work with a DOF, but not if the DOF is the person selecting the transfer targets. If there is a perception that this is what is happening at Brighton and Hove Albion these individuals are less likely to apply. It is possible that David Burke could put a team together that is capable of finishing in the top two, but that is not what this discussion is about. It is about what effect such signings could have on the callibre of Manager we can attract to the Club.
Halleluhah. It's what i've been saying -and voicing my personally held opinion on - but getting verbals and thumbs down all the way. None of us really know what's going on behind the scenes - and neither should we - so it's amazing that some of the Headmasters on here offer up strenuous opinion that apparently sets the standard and are then critical of polite alternatives by claiming they're based on supposition. My view (again) is that parading new players during the search for a new manager sends out a negative signal to those who may be interested. Ultimately, a manager is judged on results and if he thinks his performance is going to be shaped by the decisions of others, he's less likely to be impressed. Hence the field of candidates is reduced and potentially (oops sorry, that's speculation again) the quality too.
It depends on the quality of the signings. Rubbish signings and the new man is put off. Good signings and the new man is excited to join. Also, it depends on the length and quality of the contract offered. There you are an alternative opinion
In my book, alternative opinion is fine!
You're right by the way, poor signings will put people off, good signings can inspire, but the point is 'good' or 'bad' is subjective and I think it's a dangerous game to play - especially if the budget is restricted and part of it is spent before a new bloke can have his say..
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: There are some Managers who will not work with a DOF so they can be eliminated from the process. There are other Managers who will work with a DOF, but not if the DOF is the person selecting the transfer targets. If there is a perception that this is what is happening at Brighton and Hove Albion these individuals are less likely to apply. It is possible that David Burke could put a team together that is capable of finishing in the top two, but that is not what this discussion is about. It is about what effect such signings could have on the callibre of Manager we can attract to the Club.[/p][/quote]Halleluhah. It's what i've been saying -and voicing my personally held opinion on - but getting verbals and thumbs down all the way. None of us really know what's going on behind the scenes - and neither should we - so it's amazing that some of the Headmasters on here offer up strenuous opinion that apparently sets the standard and are then critical of polite alternatives by claiming they're based on supposition. My view (again) is that parading new players during the search for a new manager sends out a negative signal to those who may be interested. Ultimately, a manager is judged on results and if he thinks his performance is going to be shaped by the decisions of others, he's less likely to be impressed. Hence the field of candidates is reduced and potentially (oops sorry, that's speculation again) the quality too.[/p][/quote]It depends on the quality of the signings. Rubbish signings and the new man is put off. Good signings and the new man is excited to join. Also, it depends on the length and quality of the contract offered. There you are an alternative opinion[/p][/quote]In my book, alternative opinion is fine! You're right by the way, poor signings will put people off, good signings can inspire, but the point is 'good' or 'bad' is subjective and I think it's a dangerous game to play - especially if the budget is restricted and part of it is spent before a new bloke can have his say.. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

6:52pm Fri 23 May 14

Mr chock says...

do you know why the Argus blocked the comments on the rape of sussex girls by ...Christopher Kayla-Joseph, 26, of Elphick Road, Newhaven, Mohammed Kamali, 45, of Harper Road, Newhaven, Khosrow Sobhanieh, 55, of North Lane, Guestling, near Hastings, Stephen Daramola, 47, of Park Lane, Eastbourne, Khalid Del-Rosario, 44, of Upperton Road, Eastbourne and Guiseppe Carella, 18,
http://www.theargus.

co.uk/news/11231836.

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this is the story they have remove the comments area on WHY
Six men in court for teen prostitution case
do you know why the Argus blocked the comments on the rape of sussex girls by ...Christopher Kayla-Joseph, 26, of Elphick Road, Newhaven, Mohammed Kamali, 45, of Harper Road, Newhaven, Khosrow Sobhanieh, 55, of North Lane, Guestling, near Hastings, Stephen Daramola, 47, of Park Lane, Eastbourne, Khalid Del-Rosario, 44, of Upperton Road, Eastbourne and Guiseppe Carella, 18, http://www.theargus. co.uk/news/11231836. Six_men_in_court_for _teen_prostitution_c ase/?ref=mr this is the story they have remove the comments area on WHY Six men in court for teen prostitution case Mr chock
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