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Albion Transfer Talk - Albion go for Hyypia or is it Fred?

The Argus: Sami Hyypia Sami Hyypia

Keep on the ball on The Argus website with all the summer speculation and gossip surrounding Albion.

June 6: Hyypia has been offered and has accepted the job, reports The Independent.

June 6: Sky Bet have suspended the betting on Hyypia becoming the next Albion manager, reported via Twitter.

June 6: Sami Hyypia is weighing up whether to become the new Albion manager after being offered the job, reports The Times.

June 6: Brighton are set to offer French coach Frederic Hantz the managerial post at the Amex, reports the Daily Mirror.

June 2: Arsenal are interested in signing young Albion goalkeeper Christian Walton and developing him as a possible No.1 of the future, according to the Daily Mirror.

June 2: Albion striker Leo Ulloa is wanted by Southampton as a replacement for Ricky Lambert, who has joined Liverpool, reports the Sun.

May 31: Albion are interested in our of contract Hull City striker Matty Fryatt, according to the Leicester Mercury. Fryatt is also reported to be of interest to Leicester, Burnley and several Championship clubs but would prefer to stay with the Tigers. 

May 29: Ex-Arsenal defender Remi Garde is a top contender to become Albion's new manager, reports The Daily Mail.

Garde, 48, was in charge at Lyon for three years and won the title with Gunners in the1990s.

Same paper also claim Chris Hughton is high on the wanted list.

May 23: Departed Albion head coach Oscar Garcia is high on Celtic's shortlist to succeed Neil Lennon, reports The Herald in Scotland.

They say Oscar, who resigned from the Seagulls earlier this month, is a leading candidate along with David Moyes, Malky Mackay, Owen Coyle and Henrik Larsson.

May 22: Premier League newcomers Leicester City have failed with a £3 million bid for Albion marksman Leo Ulloa, according to the Daily Mail.

The Mail claims Albion value their Argentinian target man at £7 million.

Championship champions Leicester ended the season using a formation similar to Albion's with holding midfielders, two wide men and David Nugent in the Ulloa role, as boss Nigel Pearson began preparing for life in the top flight.

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10:48am Thu 22 May 14

Cory and Trevor says...

Oi - Pearson - NOOooo.

I like Nigel Pearson and am not surprised he's noticed Ulloa, who is Premier league class. But hands off
Oi - Pearson - NOOooo. I like Nigel Pearson and am not surprised he's noticed Ulloa, who is Premier league class. But hands off Cory and Trevor
  • Score: 15

10:50am Thu 22 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Am I alone in thinking that this is a pretty shoddy way for the Argus to reflect the Ulloa story rather than going mainline and writing an update from a local perspective?
Given this and recent absences of comment from the likes of TB, does anyone know if The Argus are Persona non Grata at The Amex at the moment?
And by the way, it's a question, not an accusation....
Am I alone in thinking that this is a pretty shoddy way for the Argus to reflect the Ulloa story rather than going mainline and writing an update from a local perspective? Given this and recent absences of comment from the likes of TB, does anyone know if The Argus are Persona non Grata at The Amex at the moment? And by the way, it's a question, not an accusation.... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -8

11:06am Thu 22 May 14

SuperSeagull92 says...

I like the idea of a swap deal for Chris Wood. Leicester bought him for around £1.5million in Jan 13 so if we could get 3million+ and then Chris Wood for Ulloa id see that as a deal well done. Would be sad to see him leave but when the premier league comes knocking it can be very difficult for players to resist!
I like the idea of a swap deal for Chris Wood. Leicester bought him for around £1.5million in Jan 13 so if we could get 3million+ and then Chris Wood for Ulloa id see that as a deal well done. Would be sad to see him leave but when the premier league comes knocking it can be very difficult for players to resist! SuperSeagull92
  • Score: -27

11:44am Thu 22 May 14

Neville says...

Another side to FFP is that sIdes struggling to facilitate FFP like Albion will be the subject of fairly derisory bids for players,such as we have seen for Ulloa,not good times at present.
Another side to FFP is that sIdes struggling to facilitate FFP like Albion will be the subject of fairly derisory bids for players,such as we have seen for Ulloa,not good times at present. Neville
  • Score: -1

11:47am Thu 22 May 14

farside says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Am I alone in thinking that this is a pretty shoddy way for the Argus to reflect the Ulloa story rather than going mainline and writing an update from a local perspective?
Given this and recent absences of comment from the likes of TB, does anyone know if The Argus are Persona non Grata at The Amex at the moment?
And by the way, it's a question, not an accusation....
Think you have it right. AN seems to have identified/sided with Oscar. Articles almost all appear to have a hint of negativity if not direct criticism and ignoring Bloom's interview with the BBC is just downright strange as well as being extremely poor journalism.

A shame because people do rely on these pages and are not getting the best service.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Am I alone in thinking that this is a pretty shoddy way for the Argus to reflect the Ulloa story rather than going mainline and writing an update from a local perspective? Given this and recent absences of comment from the likes of TB, does anyone know if The Argus are Persona non Grata at The Amex at the moment? And by the way, it's a question, not an accusation....[/p][/quote]Think you have it right. AN seems to have identified/sided with Oscar. Articles almost all appear to have a hint of negativity if not direct criticism and ignoring Bloom's interview with the BBC is just downright strange as well as being extremely poor journalism. A shame because people do rely on these pages and are not getting the best service. farside
  • Score: -2

12:05pm Thu 22 May 14

bhafc11 says...

For the keeper, we could do worse than lucasz Fabianski! Just won the f.a cup and is a free agent!
For the keeper, we could do worse than lucasz Fabianski! Just won the f.a cup and is a free agent! bhafc11
  • Score: 23

12:18pm Thu 22 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Neville wrote:
Another side to FFP is that sIdes struggling to facilitate FFP like Albion will be the subject of fairly derisory bids for players,such as we have seen for Ulloa,not good times at present.
Not so sure that we are, 'struggling,' to comply with the FFP rules, but yes, the FFP will lower price tags and wage demands, and that is part of what it is supposed to do.

I guess the offer of 3 million could be nothing more than an opening bid, start low and hope you don't have too pay much more. A bid such as this will also alert the player that a prem club want him, and they might hope that the player will put some pressure on his club to make a deal.

I would hope that Brighton would sit down with Leo, talk about the offer and then give him a new and improved deal, much in the same way Bornemouth did with Grabban. We might still come under pressure to sell him come January, but the price would be a whole lot higher as would any release clause.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Another side to FFP is that sIdes struggling to facilitate FFP like Albion will be the subject of fairly derisory bids for players,such as we have seen for Ulloa,not good times at present.[/p][/quote]Not so sure that we are, 'struggling,' to comply with the FFP rules, but yes, the FFP will lower price tags and wage demands, and that is part of what it is supposed to do. I guess the offer of 3 million could be nothing more than an opening bid, start low and hope you don't have too pay much more. A bid such as this will also alert the player that a prem club want him, and they might hope that the player will put some pressure on his club to make a deal. I would hope that Brighton would sit down with Leo, talk about the offer and then give him a new and improved deal, much in the same way Bornemouth did with Grabban. We might still come under pressure to sell him come January, but the price would be a whole lot higher as would any release clause. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 19

12:31pm Thu 22 May 14

peterpan32 says...

Neil Lennon just left Celtic. ???
Neil Lennon just left Celtic. ??? peterpan32
  • Score: -17

12:36pm Thu 22 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Hughton has said that he is prepared to drop to the Championship division in order to get back to work as quickly as possible, he also says that he wants to get back to work at the highest possible level he can. I think we qulaify on both factors.
We are in the Champ div, and with none of the clubs that finished above us currently looking for a new manager, and zero offers coming from the Prem div, I guess that would make us, 'the highest possible level.'
Hughton has said that he is prepared to drop to the Championship division in order to get back to work as quickly as possible, he also says that he wants to get back to work at the highest possible level he can. I think we qulaify on both factors. We are in the Champ div, and with none of the clubs that finished above us currently looking for a new manager, and zero offers coming from the Prem div, I guess that would make us, 'the highest possible level.' VegasSeagull
  • Score: -11

12:38pm Thu 22 May 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

It seems that Neil Lennon at Celtic has decided the ceiling is too low and is leaving. I don't suppose he would consider the Albion but this seems to be a problem for a lot of clubs. In England the FFP and parachute payments are creating two tiers and it is difficult to breach the gap. I fully expect NL to surface in the PL or a club with a parachute. UTA
It seems that Neil Lennon at Celtic has decided the ceiling is too low and is leaving. I don't suppose he would consider the Albion but this seems to be a problem for a lot of clubs. In England the FFP and parachute payments are creating two tiers and it is difficult to breach the gap. I fully expect NL to surface in the PL or a club with a parachute. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: -6

12:45pm Thu 22 May 14

SpadgeUK says...

It's funny because i don't remember the club saying they have rejected a bid. Why don't we give every single player a pay rise to keep the other clubs at bay, oh yeah we would survive if we did.

This is no more than guess work by a journalist of the agent trying to get a pay rise nothing here to see i am glad to say.
It's funny because i don't remember the club saying they have rejected a bid. Why don't we give every single player a pay rise to keep the other clubs at bay, oh yeah we would survive if we did. This is no more than guess work by a journalist of the agent trying to get a pay rise nothing here to see i am glad to say. SpadgeUK
  • Score: -10

12:47pm Thu 22 May 14

SpadgeUK says...

Also makes me laugh that because of FFP we would sell to a premier club cheaper, I think it would be the other way around knowing that club is being paid millions and could afford to pay a bit more.

Premier League money is an evil in its own right all the time there is such a gulf between the top league and the leagues below.
Also makes me laugh that because of FFP we would sell to a premier club cheaper, I think it would be the other way around knowing that club is being paid millions and could afford to pay a bit more. Premier League money is an evil in its own right all the time there is such a gulf between the top league and the leagues below. SpadgeUK
  • Score: 12

12:56pm Thu 22 May 14

smegbuster says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Am I alone in thinking that this is a pretty shoddy way for the Argus to reflect the Ulloa story rather than going mainline and writing an update from a local perspective? Given this and recent absences of comment from the likes of TB, does anyone know if The Argus are Persona non Grata at The Amex at the moment? And by the way, it's a question, not an accusation....
This is the usual way The Argus does things this time of year:
One continually-updated article details what UNSUBSTANTIATED transfer claims are being reported elsewhere (hence no further comment other than stating what the other papers say).
Whenever there is anything that can be substantiated, I would expect a separate individual article (complete with the comments and "local perspective" you're after).
Personally, I'm happy with that approach.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Am I alone in thinking that this is a pretty shoddy way for the Argus to reflect the Ulloa story rather than going mainline and writing an update from a local perspective? Given this and recent absences of comment from the likes of TB, does anyone know if The Argus are Persona non Grata at The Amex at the moment? And by the way, it's a question, not an accusation....[/p][/quote]This is the usual way The Argus does things this time of year: One continually-updated article details what UNSUBSTANTIATED transfer claims are being reported elsewhere (hence no further comment other than stating what the other papers say). Whenever there is anything that can be substantiated, I would expect a separate individual article (complete with the comments and "local perspective" you're after). Personally, I'm happy with that approach. smegbuster
  • Score: 3

12:59pm Thu 22 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

SpadgeUK wrote:
Also makes me laugh that because of FFP we would sell to a premier club cheaper, I think it would be the other way around knowing that club is being paid millions and could afford to pay a bit more.

Premier League money is an evil in its own right all the time there is such a gulf between the top league and the leagues below.
all sports have their elite, think of F 1 and all the lower levels of open wheel racing, horse racing is no different, the quality of horses and the prize money is higher for those that run on the Epsom track compared to those that race that race on the Brighton track.

On the odd occasion when Brighton's matches are televised we get around 200k per match, if it were not for the huge sum paid to the prem div for the right to cover their games we would probabaly only get 50k.
[quote][p][bold]SpadgeUK[/bold] wrote: Also makes me laugh that because of FFP we would sell to a premier club cheaper, I think it would be the other way around knowing that club is being paid millions and could afford to pay a bit more. Premier League money is an evil in its own right all the time there is such a gulf between the top league and the leagues below.[/p][/quote]all sports have their elite, think of F 1 and all the lower levels of open wheel racing, horse racing is no different, the quality of horses and the prize money is higher for those that run on the Epsom track compared to those that race that race on the Brighton track. On the odd occasion when Brighton's matches are televised we get around 200k per match, if it were not for the huge sum paid to the prem div for the right to cover their games we would probabaly only get 50k. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -4

1:07pm Thu 22 May 14

Newhavenles says...

farside wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Am I alone in thinking that this is a pretty shoddy way for the Argus to reflect the Ulloa story rather than going mainline and writing an update from a local perspective?
Given this and recent absences of comment from the likes of TB, does anyone know if The Argus are Persona non Grata at The Amex at the moment?
And by the way, it's a question, not an accusation....
Think you have it right. AN seems to have identified/sided with Oscar. Articles almost all appear to have a hint of negativity if not direct criticism and ignoring Bloom's interview with the BBC is just downright strange as well as being extremely poor journalism.

A shame because people do rely on these pages and are not getting the best service.
I think the club are more interested in us using the Albion web site which they are always pushing.My ipad doesn't support flash player so I rely on the daily mail,who give a full match report of all our games.The stories in the Argos are all second hand and there isn't any tie up between the club and paper,hopefully when the new Brighton tv station is up and running perhaps we can get a more balanced optinion of what is going, and not just from the club
[quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Am I alone in thinking that this is a pretty shoddy way for the Argus to reflect the Ulloa story rather than going mainline and writing an update from a local perspective? Given this and recent absences of comment from the likes of TB, does anyone know if The Argus are Persona non Grata at The Amex at the moment? And by the way, it's a question, not an accusation....[/p][/quote]Think you have it right. AN seems to have identified/sided with Oscar. Articles almost all appear to have a hint of negativity if not direct criticism and ignoring Bloom's interview with the BBC is just downright strange as well as being extremely poor journalism. A shame because people do rely on these pages and are not getting the best service.[/p][/quote]I think the club are more interested in us using the Albion web site which they are always pushing.My ipad doesn't support flash player so I rely on the daily mail,who give a full match report of all our games.The stories in the Argos are all second hand and there isn't any tie up between the club and paper,hopefully when the new Brighton tv station is up and running perhaps we can get a more balanced optinion of what is going, and not just from the club Newhavenles
  • Score: 1

1:13pm Thu 22 May 14

Rhodes Seagull says...

Ok more thumbs down please!!
The Headline reads 'Albion Transfer Talk'
How can we have transfer talk if we do not have a manager in place?
It is the MANAGERS decision who he wants to keep in the team not some back room boy who seems more worried about the FFP than the club getting into the Premiership.
Lets get a MANAGER in p[lace before Transfer Talk.surely that is the number one priority?
Ok more thumbs down please!! The Headline reads 'Albion Transfer Talk' How can we have transfer talk if we do not have a manager in place? It is the MANAGERS decision who he wants to keep in the team not some back room boy who seems more worried about the FFP than the club getting into the Premiership. Lets get a MANAGER in p[lace before Transfer Talk.surely that is the number one priority? Rhodes Seagull
  • Score: 3

1:18pm Thu 22 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Ok more thumbs down please!!
The Headline reads 'Albion Transfer Talk'
How can we have transfer talk if we do not have a manager in place?
It is the MANAGERS decision who he wants to keep in the team not some back room boy who seems more worried about the FFP than the club getting into the Premiership.
Lets get a MANAGER in p
surely the Argus should tell us of offers for our players, those offers will come in whether we have a manager or not. You should note that the paper is not reporting on players coming in within this thread, it doersn't state that we have offered 3 million to buy a player.
[quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: Ok more thumbs down please!! The Headline reads 'Albion Transfer Talk' How can we have transfer talk if we do not have a manager in place? It is the MANAGERS decision who he wants to keep in the team not some back room boy who seems more worried about the FFP than the club getting into the Premiership. Lets get a MANAGER in p[lace before Transfer Talk.surely that is the number one priority?[/p][/quote]surely the Argus should tell us of offers for our players, those offers will come in whether we have a manager or not. You should note that the paper is not reporting on players coming in within this thread, it doersn't state that we have offered 3 million to buy a player. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

1:25pm Thu 22 May 14

Simbosims says...

Lennon has left Celtic - on his way here!!!!!
Discuss.
Lennon has left Celtic - on his way here!!!!! Discuss. Simbosims
  • Score: -29

1:55pm Thu 22 May 14

Sussex J says...

This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows;

Tim Sherwood 2/1
Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7

Chris Hughton 9/4
Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?)

Paul Clement 3/1
Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club

Neil Lennon 10/1
Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic)

Glen Hoddle 12/1
Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention.

Michael Appleton 16/1
Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer

Nathan Jones 16/1
Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him.

Ralf Rangnick 16/1
Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg

Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as
Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour)
Zola 33/1
Martin O'Neill 33/1
Neil Warncok 33/1
Steve Clarke 33/1
Curbishley 40/1
Eddie Howe 40/1
Malky Mackay 40/1
Laudrup 40/1
Freedman 50/1
Brian McDermott 66/1
Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1
This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows; Tim Sherwood 2/1 Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7 Chris Hughton 9/4 Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?) Paul Clement 3/1 Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club Neil Lennon 10/1 Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic) Glen Hoddle 12/1 Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention. Michael Appleton 16/1 Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer Nathan Jones 16/1 Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him. Ralf Rangnick 16/1 Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour) Zola 33/1 Martin O'Neill 33/1 Neil Warncok 33/1 Steve Clarke 33/1 Curbishley 40/1 Eddie Howe 40/1 Malky Mackay 40/1 Laudrup 40/1 Freedman 50/1 Brian McDermott 66/1 Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1 Sussex J
  • Score: 6

2:03pm Thu 22 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Sussex J wrote:
This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows;

Tim Sherwood 2/1
Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7

Chris Hughton 9/4
Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?)

Paul Clement 3/1
Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club

Neil Lennon 10/1
Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic)

Glen Hoddle 12/1
Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention.

Michael Appleton 16/1
Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer

Nathan Jones 16/1
Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him.

Ralf Rangnick 16/1
Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg

Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as
Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour)
Zola 33/1
Martin O'Neill 33/1
Neil Warncok 33/1
Steve Clarke 33/1
Curbishley 40/1
Eddie Howe 40/1
Malky Mackay 40/1
Laudrup 40/1
Freedman 50/1
Brian McDermott 66/1
Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1
With Gary Neville still uncertain about his future at Man United, I wouldn't completely rule him out, but I would admit it's an unlikely appointment. I would think Neville's best chance would be if Hoddle got the job and looked to him as his assistant.
[quote][p][bold]Sussex J[/bold] wrote: This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows; Tim Sherwood 2/1 Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7 Chris Hughton 9/4 Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?) Paul Clement 3/1 Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club Neil Lennon 10/1 Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic) Glen Hoddle 12/1 Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention. Michael Appleton 16/1 Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer Nathan Jones 16/1 Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him. Ralf Rangnick 16/1 Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour) Zola 33/1 Martin O'Neill 33/1 Neil Warncok 33/1 Steve Clarke 33/1 Curbishley 40/1 Eddie Howe 40/1 Malky Mackay 40/1 Laudrup 40/1 Freedman 50/1 Brian McDermott 66/1 Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1[/p][/quote]With Gary Neville still uncertain about his future at Man United, I wouldn't completely rule him out, but I would admit it's an unlikely appointment. I would think Neville's best chance would be if Hoddle got the job and looked to him as his assistant. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -13

2:05pm Thu 22 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

smegbuster wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote: Am I alone in thinking that this is a pretty shoddy way for the Argus to reflect the Ulloa story rather than going mainline and writing an update from a local perspective? Given this and recent absences of comment from the likes of TB, does anyone know if The Argus are Persona non Grata at The Amex at the moment? And by the way, it's a question, not an accusation....
This is the usual way The Argus does things this time of year: One continually-updated article details what UNSUBSTANTIATED transfer claims are being reported elsewhere (hence no further comment other than stating what the other papers say). Whenever there is anything that can be substantiated, I would expect a separate individual article (complete with the comments and "local perspective" you're after). Personally, I'm happy with that approach.
The point is, you can substantiate or not, very quickly these days so I don't buy that approach I'm afraid.. This seems a back handed way of reflecting a story they don't have sufficient access to confirm or have denied?
If you had a decent relationship with the club, you'd pick up the phone and ask what the strength of the Daily Mail story is. If the club say it's not true, you have a story. If they say 'no comment' you have a story. If they say we'd rather you didn't print that, I'd expect a decent journalist to tell them to do one.
Journalists have contacts across all papers and in all areas so it's easy to confirm the source of the story and it's strength in a short space of time. And, again, if it doesn't stand scrutiny, you still have a story. (In our case, a appositive one)
When it's a line about arguably our most expensive asset, I'd expect it to be checked out and reflected - one way or the other???
[quote][p][bold]smegbuster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Am I alone in thinking that this is a pretty shoddy way for the Argus to reflect the Ulloa story rather than going mainline and writing an update from a local perspective? Given this and recent absences of comment from the likes of TB, does anyone know if The Argus are Persona non Grata at The Amex at the moment? And by the way, it's a question, not an accusation....[/p][/quote]This is the usual way The Argus does things this time of year: One continually-updated article details what UNSUBSTANTIATED transfer claims are being reported elsewhere (hence no further comment other than stating what the other papers say). Whenever there is anything that can be substantiated, I would expect a separate individual article (complete with the comments and "local perspective" you're after). Personally, I'm happy with that approach.[/p][/quote]The point is, you can substantiate or not, very quickly these days so I don't buy that approach I'm afraid.. This seems a back handed way of reflecting a story they don't have sufficient access to confirm or have denied? If you had a decent relationship with the club, you'd pick up the phone and ask what the strength of the Daily Mail story is. If the club say it's not true, you have a story. If they say 'no comment' you have a story. If they say we'd rather you didn't print that, I'd expect a decent journalist to tell them to do one. Journalists have contacts across all papers and in all areas so it's easy to confirm the source of the story and it's strength in a short space of time. And, again, if it doesn't stand scrutiny, you still have a story. (In our case, a appositive one) When it's a line about arguably our most expensive asset, I'd expect it to be checked out and reflected - one way or the other??? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 0

2:15pm Thu 22 May 14

smegbuster says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
smegbuster wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote: Am I alone in thinking that this is a pretty shoddy way for the Argus to reflect the Ulloa story rather than going mainline and writing an update from a local perspective? Given this and recent absences of comment from the likes of TB, does anyone know if The Argus are Persona non Grata at The Amex at the moment? And by the way, it's a question, not an accusation....
This is the usual way The Argus does things this time of year: One continually-updated article details what UNSUBSTANTIATED transfer claims are being reported elsewhere (hence no further comment other than stating what the other papers say). Whenever there is anything that can be substantiated, I would expect a separate individual article (complete with the comments and "local perspective" you're after). Personally, I'm happy with that approach.
The point is, you can substantiate or not, very quickly these days so I don't buy that approach I'm afraid.. This seems a back handed way of reflecting a story they don't have sufficient access to confirm or have denied? If you had a decent relationship with the club, you'd pick up the phone and ask what the strength of the Daily Mail story is. If the club say it's not true, you have a story. If they say 'no comment' you have a story. If they say we'd rather you didn't print that, I'd expect a decent journalist to tell them to do one. Journalists have contacts across all papers and in all areas so it's easy to confirm the source of the story and it's strength in a short space of time. And, again, if it doesn't stand scrutiny, you still have a story. (In our case, a appositive one) When it's a line about arguably our most expensive asset, I'd expect it to be checked out and reflected - one way or the other???
...so, what story do you expect there to be if the club say, "No comment"?
The club have stated time and time again that they like to keep negotiations private - and so they should, otherwise the negotiations might be jeopardised. Because of that, they neither confirm nor deny rumours, so we can't read anything into a "No comment".
Andy Naylor has good enough contacts to be able to get info when the club are willing and able to release it. In the meantime, reporting other media stories "as-is" is the best he can do without getting on the bad side of his club contacts.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smegbuster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Am I alone in thinking that this is a pretty shoddy way for the Argus to reflect the Ulloa story rather than going mainline and writing an update from a local perspective? Given this and recent absences of comment from the likes of TB, does anyone know if The Argus are Persona non Grata at The Amex at the moment? And by the way, it's a question, not an accusation....[/p][/quote]This is the usual way The Argus does things this time of year: One continually-updated article details what UNSUBSTANTIATED transfer claims are being reported elsewhere (hence no further comment other than stating what the other papers say). Whenever there is anything that can be substantiated, I would expect a separate individual article (complete with the comments and "local perspective" you're after). Personally, I'm happy with that approach.[/p][/quote]The point is, you can substantiate or not, very quickly these days so I don't buy that approach I'm afraid.. This seems a back handed way of reflecting a story they don't have sufficient access to confirm or have denied? If you had a decent relationship with the club, you'd pick up the phone and ask what the strength of the Daily Mail story is. If the club say it's not true, you have a story. If they say 'no comment' you have a story. If they say we'd rather you didn't print that, I'd expect a decent journalist to tell them to do one. Journalists have contacts across all papers and in all areas so it's easy to confirm the source of the story and it's strength in a short space of time. And, again, if it doesn't stand scrutiny, you still have a story. (In our case, a appositive one) When it's a line about arguably our most expensive asset, I'd expect it to be checked out and reflected - one way or the other???[/p][/quote]...so, what story do you expect there to be if the club say, "No comment"? The club have stated time and time again that they like to keep negotiations private - and so they should, otherwise the negotiations might be jeopardised. Because of that, they neither confirm nor deny rumours, so we can't read anything into a "No comment". Andy Naylor has good enough contacts to be able to get info when the club are willing and able to release it. In the meantime, reporting other media stories "as-is" is the best he can do without getting on the bad side of his club contacts. smegbuster
  • Score: 6

2:28pm Thu 22 May 14

Claude Back says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Sussex J wrote:
This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows;

Tim Sherwood 2/1
Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7

Chris Hughton 9/4
Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?)

Paul Clement 3/1
Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club

Neil Lennon 10/1
Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic)

Glen Hoddle 12/1
Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention.

Michael Appleton 16/1
Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer

Nathan Jones 16/1
Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him.

Ralf Rangnick 16/1
Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg

Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as
Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour)
Zola 33/1
Martin O'Neill 33/1
Neil Warncok 33/1
Steve Clarke 33/1
Curbishley 40/1
Eddie Howe 40/1
Malky Mackay 40/1
Laudrup 40/1
Freedman 50/1
Brian McDermott 66/1
Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1
With Gary Neville still uncertain about his future at Man United, I wouldn't completely rule him out, but I would admit it's an unlikely appointment. I would think Neville's best chance would be if Hoddle got the job and looked to him as his assistant.
Surely you mean Phil as Gary Neville is a Sky pundit and doing it very well. Having said that Gary would probably make a good manager but I cannot see that happening.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex J[/bold] wrote: This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows; Tim Sherwood 2/1 Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7 Chris Hughton 9/4 Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?) Paul Clement 3/1 Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club Neil Lennon 10/1 Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic) Glen Hoddle 12/1 Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention. Michael Appleton 16/1 Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer Nathan Jones 16/1 Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him. Ralf Rangnick 16/1 Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour) Zola 33/1 Martin O'Neill 33/1 Neil Warncok 33/1 Steve Clarke 33/1 Curbishley 40/1 Eddie Howe 40/1 Malky Mackay 40/1 Laudrup 40/1 Freedman 50/1 Brian McDermott 66/1 Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1[/p][/quote]With Gary Neville still uncertain about his future at Man United, I wouldn't completely rule him out, but I would admit it's an unlikely appointment. I would think Neville's best chance would be if Hoddle got the job and looked to him as his assistant.[/p][/quote]Surely you mean Phil as Gary Neville is a Sky pundit and doing it very well. Having said that Gary would probably make a good manager but I cannot see that happening. Claude Back
  • Score: 4

2:33pm Thu 22 May 14

Sussex J says...

Claude Back wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Sussex J wrote: This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows; Tim Sherwood 2/1 Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7 Chris Hughton 9/4 Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?) Paul Clement 3/1 Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club Neil Lennon 10/1 Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic) Glen Hoddle 12/1 Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention. Michael Appleton 16/1 Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer Nathan Jones 16/1 Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him. Ralf Rangnick 16/1 Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour) Zola 33/1 Martin O'Neill 33/1 Neil Warncok 33/1 Steve Clarke 33/1 Curbishley 40/1 Eddie Howe 40/1 Malky Mackay 40/1 Laudrup 40/1 Freedman 50/1 Brian McDermott 66/1 Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1
With Gary Neville still uncertain about his future at Man United, I wouldn't completely rule him out, but I would admit it's an unlikely appointment. I would think Neville's best chance would be if Hoddle got the job and looked to him as his assistant.
Surely you mean Phil as Gary Neville is a Sky pundit and doing it very well. Having said that Gary would probably make a good manager but I cannot see that happening.
Gary Neville 33/1
Phil Neville 33/1
(and Roberto Di Matteo who was being mentioned this time last year 25/1)
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex J[/bold] wrote: This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows; Tim Sherwood 2/1 Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7 Chris Hughton 9/4 Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?) Paul Clement 3/1 Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club Neil Lennon 10/1 Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic) Glen Hoddle 12/1 Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention. Michael Appleton 16/1 Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer Nathan Jones 16/1 Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him. Ralf Rangnick 16/1 Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour) Zola 33/1 Martin O'Neill 33/1 Neil Warncok 33/1 Steve Clarke 33/1 Curbishley 40/1 Eddie Howe 40/1 Malky Mackay 40/1 Laudrup 40/1 Freedman 50/1 Brian McDermott 66/1 Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1[/p][/quote]With Gary Neville still uncertain about his future at Man United, I wouldn't completely rule him out, but I would admit it's an unlikely appointment. I would think Neville's best chance would be if Hoddle got the job and looked to him as his assistant.[/p][/quote]Surely you mean Phil as Gary Neville is a Sky pundit and doing it very well. Having said that Gary would probably make a good manager but I cannot see that happening.[/p][/quote]Gary Neville 33/1 Phil Neville 33/1 (and Roberto Di Matteo who was being mentioned this time last year 25/1) Sussex J
  • Score: 1

2:37pm Thu 22 May 14

Bushell17 says...

PLEASE - Anyone but Neil Lennon !! What has he achieved really - There is nothing to beat in Scotland at all they are head and shoulders above any other team. I bet if he goes to Norwich which I hope he does he will fail and be sacked within two years. Anyone else but not Lennon !
PLEASE - Anyone but Neil Lennon !! What has he achieved really - There is nothing to beat in Scotland at all they are head and shoulders above any other team. I bet if he goes to Norwich which I hope he does he will fail and be sacked within two years. Anyone else but not Lennon ! Bushell17
  • Score: 6

2:39pm Thu 22 May 14

rolivan says...

Claude Back wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Sussex J wrote:
This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows;

Tim Sherwood 2/1
Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7

Chris Hughton 9/4
Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?)

Paul Clement 3/1
Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club

Neil Lennon 10/1
Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic)

Glen Hoddle 12/1
Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention.

Michael Appleton 16/1
Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer

Nathan Jones 16/1
Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him.

Ralf Rangnick 16/1
Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg

Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as
Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour)
Zola 33/1
Martin O'Neill 33/1
Neil Warncok 33/1
Steve Clarke 33/1
Curbishley 40/1
Eddie Howe 40/1
Malky Mackay 40/1
Laudrup 40/1
Freedman 50/1
Brian McDermott 66/1
Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1
With Gary Neville still uncertain about his future at Man United, I wouldn't completely rule him out, but I would admit it's an unlikely appointment. I would think Neville's best chance would be if Hoddle got the job and looked to him as his assistant.
Surely you mean Phil as Gary Neville is a Sky pundit and doing it very well. Having said that Gary would probably make a good manager but I cannot see that happening.
Not only that but he is part of the England setup,which would mean he wouldn't be available until after the World Cup.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex J[/bold] wrote: This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows; Tim Sherwood 2/1 Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7 Chris Hughton 9/4 Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?) Paul Clement 3/1 Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club Neil Lennon 10/1 Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic) Glen Hoddle 12/1 Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention. Michael Appleton 16/1 Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer Nathan Jones 16/1 Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him. Ralf Rangnick 16/1 Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour) Zola 33/1 Martin O'Neill 33/1 Neil Warncok 33/1 Steve Clarke 33/1 Curbishley 40/1 Eddie Howe 40/1 Malky Mackay 40/1 Laudrup 40/1 Freedman 50/1 Brian McDermott 66/1 Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1[/p][/quote]With Gary Neville still uncertain about his future at Man United, I wouldn't completely rule him out, but I would admit it's an unlikely appointment. I would think Neville's best chance would be if Hoddle got the job and looked to him as his assistant.[/p][/quote]Surely you mean Phil as Gary Neville is a Sky pundit and doing it very well. Having said that Gary would probably make a good manager but I cannot see that happening.[/p][/quote]Not only that but he is part of the England setup,which would mean he wouldn't be available until after the World Cup. rolivan
  • Score: -1

2:39pm Thu 22 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

smegbuster wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
smegbuster wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote: Am I alone in thinking that this is a pretty shoddy way for the Argus to reflect the Ulloa story rather than going mainline and writing an update from a local perspective? Given this and recent absences of comment from the likes of TB, does anyone know if The Argus are Persona non Grata at The Amex at the moment? And by the way, it's a question, not an accusation....
This is the usual way The Argus does things this time of year: One continually-updated article details what UNSUBSTANTIATED transfer claims are being reported elsewhere (hence no further comment other than stating what the other papers say). Whenever there is anything that can be substantiated, I would expect a separate individual article (complete with the comments and "local perspective" you're after). Personally, I'm happy with that approach.
The point is, you can substantiate or not, very quickly these days so I don't buy that approach I'm afraid.. This seems a back handed way of reflecting a story they don't have sufficient access to confirm or have denied? If you had a decent relationship with the club, you'd pick up the phone and ask what the strength of the Daily Mail story is. If the club say it's not true, you have a story. If they say 'no comment' you have a story. If they say we'd rather you didn't print that, I'd expect a decent journalist to tell them to do one. Journalists have contacts across all papers and in all areas so it's easy to confirm the source of the story and it's strength in a short space of time. And, again, if it doesn't stand scrutiny, you still have a story. (In our case, a appositive one) When it's a line about arguably our most expensive asset, I'd expect it to be checked out and reflected - one way or the other???
...so, what story do you expect there to be if the club say, "No comment"? The club have stated time and time again that they like to keep negotiations private - and so they should, otherwise the negotiations might be jeopardised. Because of that, they neither confirm nor deny rumours, so we can't read anything into a "No comment". Andy Naylor has good enough contacts to be able to get info when the club are willing and able to release it. In the meantime, reporting other media stories "as-is" is the best he can do without getting on the bad side of his club contacts.
How many times do you see or hear a 'refusing to comment' story in football? The answer is very regularly because it insinuates there is something in the rumour. If it was horse whatsit, the club or people concerned would say so straight out. But either way, it's still a story.
As for keeping negotiations quiet, yep, in an ideal world that's great, but someone should've told people at the Leicester end or anyone connected with any of the parties. In the modern day there are too many people involved in a potential transfer and anyone expecting them all to keep quiet when there's a few quid at stake is expecting too much.
[quote][p][bold]smegbuster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smegbuster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Am I alone in thinking that this is a pretty shoddy way for the Argus to reflect the Ulloa story rather than going mainline and writing an update from a local perspective? Given this and recent absences of comment from the likes of TB, does anyone know if The Argus are Persona non Grata at The Amex at the moment? And by the way, it's a question, not an accusation....[/p][/quote]This is the usual way The Argus does things this time of year: One continually-updated article details what UNSUBSTANTIATED transfer claims are being reported elsewhere (hence no further comment other than stating what the other papers say). Whenever there is anything that can be substantiated, I would expect a separate individual article (complete with the comments and "local perspective" you're after). Personally, I'm happy with that approach.[/p][/quote]The point is, you can substantiate or not, very quickly these days so I don't buy that approach I'm afraid.. This seems a back handed way of reflecting a story they don't have sufficient access to confirm or have denied? If you had a decent relationship with the club, you'd pick up the phone and ask what the strength of the Daily Mail story is. If the club say it's not true, you have a story. If they say 'no comment' you have a story. If they say we'd rather you didn't print that, I'd expect a decent journalist to tell them to do one. Journalists have contacts across all papers and in all areas so it's easy to confirm the source of the story and it's strength in a short space of time. And, again, if it doesn't stand scrutiny, you still have a story. (In our case, a appositive one) When it's a line about arguably our most expensive asset, I'd expect it to be checked out and reflected - one way or the other???[/p][/quote]...so, what story do you expect there to be if the club say, "No comment"? The club have stated time and time again that they like to keep negotiations private - and so they should, otherwise the negotiations might be jeopardised. Because of that, they neither confirm nor deny rumours, so we can't read anything into a "No comment". Andy Naylor has good enough contacts to be able to get info when the club are willing and able to release it. In the meantime, reporting other media stories "as-is" is the best he can do without getting on the bad side of his club contacts.[/p][/quote]How many times do you see or hear a 'refusing to comment' story in football? The answer is very regularly because it insinuates there is something in the rumour. If it was horse whatsit, the club or people concerned would say so straight out. But either way, it's still a story. As for keeping negotiations quiet, yep, in an ideal world that's great, but someone should've told people at the Leicester end or anyone connected with any of the parties. In the modern day there are too many people involved in a potential transfer and anyone expecting them all to keep quiet when there's a few quid at stake is expecting too much. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -1

2:41pm Thu 22 May 14

Claude Back says...

Bushell17 wrote:
PLEASE - Anyone but Neil Lennon !! What has he achieved really - There is nothing to beat in Scotland at all they are head and shoulders above any other team. I bet if he goes to Norwich which I hope he does he will fail and be sacked within two years. Anyone else but not Lennon !
Very true. I think even I could a team where it is a one horse race every year . ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Bushell17[/bold] wrote: PLEASE - Anyone but Neil Lennon !! What has he achieved really - There is nothing to beat in Scotland at all they are head and shoulders above any other team. I bet if he goes to Norwich which I hope he does he will fail and be sacked within two years. Anyone else but not Lennon ![/p][/quote]Very true. I think even I could a team where it is a one horse race every year . ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: 5

2:57pm Thu 22 May 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

SuperSeagull92 wrote:
I like the idea of a swap deal for Chris Wood. Leicester bought him for around £1.5million in Jan 13 so if we could get 3million+ and then Chris Wood for Ulloa id see that as a deal well done. Would be sad to see him leave but when the premier league comes knocking it can be very difficult for players to resist!
Sorry cannot agree.Unless my maths are completely haywire and it was my worst subject at school,you are valuing Chris Wood at 3million and Leo at 4 million if the Mail is right and Albion value Leo at 7million.In any event Leo is a far better player than Wood.
[quote][p][bold]SuperSeagull92[/bold] wrote: I like the idea of a swap deal for Chris Wood. Leicester bought him for around £1.5million in Jan 13 so if we could get 3million+ and then Chris Wood for Ulloa id see that as a deal well done. Would be sad to see him leave but when the premier league comes knocking it can be very difficult for players to resist![/p][/quote]Sorry cannot agree.Unless my maths are completely haywire and it was my worst subject at school,you are valuing Chris Wood at 3million and Leo at 4 million if the Mail is right and Albion value Leo at 7million.In any event Leo is a far better player than Wood. SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 3

3:01pm Thu 22 May 14

ballantrrae says...

Neville wrote:
Another side to FFP is that sIdes struggling to facilitate FFP like Albion will be the subject of fairly derisory bids for players,such as we have seen for Ulloa,not good times at present.
Neville I would like to make a comment about your observation regarding the perception (by other clubs) that the Albion might be struggling to meet FFP.
At a recent Seagulls over London meeting in March David Jones (the club's Financial Directo)r confirmed that from an FFP and Fiscal viewpoint the club did not need to sell players like Bridcutt, El-Abd and Barnes in January.
I think other clubs might well find, as Leicester have just done, that the Albion will reject any offers for players well below our valuation. Given the about £4 million plus we raised in January BHA doesn't need to sell its best playing assets at reduced valuations.
On the contrary I am looking forward to the club signing a number of new players including a couple of strikers, at least one GK, a CB, at least 2 more (possibly 3) midfielders including a 'creative' midfielder and hopefully re-signing Ward.
I am equally waiting (patiently) to hear who is going to be our new Manager who clearly will have an important role not only in whom we sign but also who might leave (Buckley, Agustein ?).
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Another side to FFP is that sIdes struggling to facilitate FFP like Albion will be the subject of fairly derisory bids for players,such as we have seen for Ulloa,not good times at present.[/p][/quote]Neville I would like to make a comment about your observation regarding the perception (by other clubs) that the Albion might be struggling to meet FFP. At a recent Seagulls over London meeting in March David Jones (the club's Financial Directo)r confirmed that from an FFP and Fiscal viewpoint the club did not need to sell players like Bridcutt, El-Abd and Barnes in January. I think other clubs might well find, as Leicester have just done, that the Albion will reject any offers for players well below our valuation. Given the about £4 million plus we raised in January BHA doesn't need to sell its best playing assets at reduced valuations. On the contrary I am looking forward to the club signing a number of new players including a couple of strikers, at least one GK, a CB, at least 2 more (possibly 3) midfielders including a 'creative' midfielder and hopefully re-signing Ward. I am equally waiting (patiently) to hear who is going to be our new Manager who clearly will have an important role not only in whom we sign but also who might leave (Buckley, Agustein ?). ballantrrae
  • Score: 11

3:10pm Thu 22 May 14

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Another side to FFP is that sIdes struggling to facilitate FFP like Albion will be the subject of fairly derisory bids for players,such as we have seen for Ulloa,not good times at present.
Not so sure that we are, 'struggling,' to comply with the FFP rules, but yes, the FFP will lower price tags and wage demands, and that is part of what it is supposed to do.

I guess the offer of 3 million could be nothing more than an opening bid, start low and hope you don't have too pay much more. A bid such as this will also alert the player that a prem club want him, and they might hope that the player will put some pressure on his club to make a deal.

I would hope that Brighton would sit down with Leo, talk about the offer and then give him a new and improved deal, much in the same way Bornemouth did with Grabban. We might still come under pressure to sell him come January, but the price would be a whole lot higher as would any release clause.
Good points Vegas but I am not sure using Grabban as an example is a good one.
At the time Grabban joined Bournemouth he was actually lined up (deal agreed - sound familiar) to sign for Crawley. Then there is a deal made for him to join the Albion but he stayed with Bournemouth when they upped his wages. Last week it was reported that he was to join Cardiff for £3 million. The last I heard (Tuesday) it was being reported that Derby were trying to recruit him !.
Good player though he is I am pleased he didn't join us.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Another side to FFP is that sIdes struggling to facilitate FFP like Albion will be the subject of fairly derisory bids for players,such as we have seen for Ulloa,not good times at present.[/p][/quote]Not so sure that we are, 'struggling,' to comply with the FFP rules, but yes, the FFP will lower price tags and wage demands, and that is part of what it is supposed to do. I guess the offer of 3 million could be nothing more than an opening bid, start low and hope you don't have too pay much more. A bid such as this will also alert the player that a prem club want him, and they might hope that the player will put some pressure on his club to make a deal. I would hope that Brighton would sit down with Leo, talk about the offer and then give him a new and improved deal, much in the same way Bornemouth did with Grabban. We might still come under pressure to sell him come January, but the price would be a whole lot higher as would any release clause.[/p][/quote]Good points Vegas but I am not sure using Grabban as an example is a good one. At the time Grabban joined Bournemouth he was actually lined up (deal agreed - sound familiar) to sign for Crawley. Then there is a deal made for him to join the Albion but he stayed with Bournemouth when they upped his wages. Last week it was reported that he was to join Cardiff for £3 million. The last I heard (Tuesday) it was being reported that Derby were trying to recruit him !. Good player though he is I am pleased he didn't join us. ballantrrae
  • Score: 5

3:24pm Thu 22 May 14

ballantrrae says...

Sussex J wrote:
This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows;

Tim Sherwood 2/1
Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7

Chris Hughton 9/4
Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?)

Paul Clement 3/1
Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club

Neil Lennon 10/1
Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic)

Glen Hoddle 12/1
Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention.

Michael Appleton 16/1
Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer

Nathan Jones 16/1
Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him.

Ralf Rangnick 16/1
Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg

Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as
Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour)
Zola 33/1
Martin O'Neill 33/1
Neil Warncok 33/1
Steve Clarke 33/1
Curbishley 40/1
Eddie Howe 40/1
Malky Mackay 40/1
Laudrup 40/1
Freedman 50/1
Brian McDermott 66/1
Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1
The other name I have seen mentioned is the ex-Liverpool player Hyypia who until recently was managing Bayer Leverkusen quite successfully - he had more than a 50% win ratio.
If Lennon goes to Norwich that is one more option closed to the likes of Sherwood and Mackay etc. Apart from those two I think both Clement and Clarke are other reasonable candidates but I don't fancy the idea of Hughton although he has had some success.
Still expecting TB to surprise us all with his appointment as he has done previously.
[quote][p][bold]Sussex J[/bold] wrote: This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows; Tim Sherwood 2/1 Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7 Chris Hughton 9/4 Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?) Paul Clement 3/1 Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club Neil Lennon 10/1 Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic) Glen Hoddle 12/1 Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention. Michael Appleton 16/1 Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer Nathan Jones 16/1 Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him. Ralf Rangnick 16/1 Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour) Zola 33/1 Martin O'Neill 33/1 Neil Warncok 33/1 Steve Clarke 33/1 Curbishley 40/1 Eddie Howe 40/1 Malky Mackay 40/1 Laudrup 40/1 Freedman 50/1 Brian McDermott 66/1 Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1[/p][/quote]The other name I have seen mentioned is the ex-Liverpool player Hyypia who until recently was managing Bayer Leverkusen quite successfully - he had more than a 50% win ratio. If Lennon goes to Norwich that is one more option closed to the likes of Sherwood and Mackay etc. Apart from those two I think both Clement and Clarke are other reasonable candidates but I don't fancy the idea of Hughton although he has had some success. Still expecting TB to surprise us all with his appointment as he has done previously. ballantrrae
  • Score: 2

4:09pm Thu 22 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

Players I would like to see brought in and think are feasible:

Goalkeeper - Jack Butland (season loan although permanent would be superb). Has been on loan at Leeds for most of the season and can't see them being able to retain him. He will be looking for something more developmental to his career.

FBs - I like the sound of RB Ayling from Yeovil. Quite a dynamic prospect.

Stephen Ward signed on a permanent three or four year deal would be a no-brainer for me. Only worry is if Reading or other club with the unfair parachute payments advantage poke their nose in.

CBs - people have mentioned that we are reportedly interested in Steven Reid who has been released by West Brom. I think he would be a superb acquisition given his experience and stature. While a dynamic younger centre back would be ideal, Reid would fit the bill really nicely for the medium term and his experience would help our chances of seeing the job through next season.

Another possible is Joe Walsh of neighbours Crawley. A Wales U21 international, he has been linked with us before (in January). Maybe he fits into the dynamic young centre back category I described above? If we are interested, would require a fee I think.

Midfield - this area will be open to more debate. Adam Clayton, who we tried to sign from Huddersfield in the January transfer window, would be a strong option. He is a driving force in their centre of the field who scores a few and is also dangerous shooting from range, both for goals directly or rebounds for Leo and CMS.

An alternative may be to try and be the latest club to borrow Chalobah.

Personally, I would be very interested in the towering Chelsea U21 midfielder somebody (Mark By The Sea?) mentioned on here a few days ago. Is apparently a sensational young central midfielder. However, with Ince in the squad and Nzuzi now acquired he may be too similar to what we already have. Mark???

Aside from that, we need another creative midfielder. Perhaps a new Spanish player. Would love Forestieri from Watford but he'll be undoubtedly too expensive.

Get these added to the existing list (Stephens, Crofts, Ince, JFC, Nzuzi) and we'll be set.

As far as wingers go, I think we are ok. Kaz, March and Buckley give us options. Wouldn't mind seeing Lingard return on the season loan, but we'd need to have flexibility in the arrangement - no "compulsory starter" agreement as appears strongly to have been the case this season.

Forwards - as well as the aforementioned Lingard and Forestieri, who could be regarded as forwards as much as midfielders, we need to add one more name to the list. There may be a few feasible options here that I can think of. First of all, would love to see us loan Patrick Bamford from Chelsea. Was a big fan of him while he was on loan at MK Dons and was gutted to find out Derby had taken over his loan for the second half of the season.

Although many will disagree with me, I do think Bobby Zamora in a second stint for the club would work very well. His hold-up play and wealth of experience would see him as a great player in this division. He's been impressing in recent matches for QPR yet is unlikely to feature next season, especially if they win Saturday's play-off. He has had his injuries admittedly and that is the one potential doubt over him, but they have been different injuries rather than a persistent problem (e.g. knee). I have the feeling that injuries won't be as much of an issue going forwards as people think.

My first choice however is KIERAN AGARD of Rotherham. Agard has been a star of the Millers' promotion campaign and will feature in the Wembley final on Sunday for a place in The Championship. Worth checking out if you haven't seen them yet.

Regardless of whether he and his club are successful in that match, I believe we could prise him away. He would cost a relatively sizeable fee and I don't know how much we have in the kitty for that exactly but the word is we have some money for transfer fees.

He can play as a conventional front man or on the left side of attack. He scored a hatful of goals this season and is still quite young.
Players I would like to see brought in and think are feasible: Goalkeeper - Jack Butland (season loan although permanent would be superb). Has been on loan at Leeds for most of the season and can't see them being able to retain him. He will be looking for something more developmental to his career. FBs - I like the sound of RB Ayling from Yeovil. Quite a dynamic prospect. Stephen Ward signed on a permanent three or four year deal would be a no-brainer for me. Only worry is if Reading or other club with the unfair parachute payments advantage poke their nose in. CBs - people have mentioned that we are reportedly interested in Steven Reid who has been released by West Brom. I think he would be a superb acquisition given his experience and stature. While a dynamic younger centre back would be ideal, Reid would fit the bill really nicely for the medium term and his experience would help our chances of seeing the job through next season. Another possible is Joe Walsh of neighbours Crawley. A Wales U21 international, he has been linked with us before (in January). Maybe he fits into the dynamic young centre back category I described above? If we are interested, would require a fee I think. Midfield - this area will be open to more debate. Adam Clayton, who we tried to sign from Huddersfield in the January transfer window, would be a strong option. He is a driving force in their centre of the field who scores a few and is also dangerous shooting from range, both for goals directly or rebounds for Leo and CMS. An alternative may be to try and be the latest club to borrow Chalobah. Personally, I would be very interested in the towering Chelsea U21 midfielder somebody (Mark By The Sea?) mentioned on here a few days ago. Is apparently a sensational young central midfielder. However, with Ince in the squad and Nzuzi now acquired he may be too similar to what we already have. Mark??? Aside from that, we need another creative midfielder. Perhaps a new Spanish player. Would love Forestieri from Watford but he'll be undoubtedly too expensive. Get these added to the existing list (Stephens, Crofts, Ince, JFC, Nzuzi) and we'll be set. As far as wingers go, I think we are ok. Kaz, March and Buckley give us options. Wouldn't mind seeing Lingard return on the season loan, but we'd need to have flexibility in the arrangement - no "compulsory starter" agreement as appears strongly to have been the case this season. Forwards - as well as the aforementioned Lingard and Forestieri, who could be regarded as forwards as much as midfielders, we need to add one more name to the list. There may be a few feasible options here that I can think of. First of all, would love to see us loan Patrick Bamford from Chelsea. Was a big fan of him while he was on loan at MK Dons and was gutted to find out Derby had taken over his loan for the second half of the season. Although many will disagree with me, I do think Bobby Zamora in a second stint for the club would work very well. His hold-up play and wealth of experience would see him as a great player in this division. He's been impressing in recent matches for QPR yet is unlikely to feature next season, especially if they win Saturday's play-off. He has had his injuries admittedly and that is the one potential doubt over him, but they have been different injuries rather than a persistent problem (e.g. knee). I have the feeling that injuries won't be as much of an issue going forwards as people think. My first choice however is KIERAN AGARD of Rotherham. Agard has been a star of the Millers' promotion campaign and will feature in the Wembley final on Sunday for a place in The Championship. Worth checking out if you haven't seen them yet. Regardless of whether he and his club are successful in that match, I believe we could prise him away. He would cost a relatively sizeable fee and I don't know how much we have in the kitty for that exactly but the word is we have some money for transfer fees. He can play as a conventional front man or on the left side of attack. He scored a hatful of goals this season and is still quite young. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 9

4:12pm Thu 22 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

(Just read that back and to clarify, I don't think Forestieri is Spanish!
(Just read that back and to clarify, I don't think Forestieri is Spanish! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 3

5:30pm Thu 22 May 14

hannover seagull says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Players I would like to see brought in and think are feasible:

Goalkeeper - Jack Butland (season loan although permanent would be superb). Has been on loan at Leeds for most of the season and can't see them being able to retain him. He will be looking for something more developmental to his career.

FBs - I like the sound of RB Ayling from Yeovil. Quite a dynamic prospect.

Stephen Ward signed on a permanent three or four year deal would be a no-brainer for me. Only worry is if Reading or other club with the unfair parachute payments advantage poke their nose in.

CBs - people have mentioned that we are reportedly interested in Steven Reid who has been released by West Brom. I think he would be a superb acquisition given his experience and stature. While a dynamic younger centre back would be ideal, Reid would fit the bill really nicely for the medium term and his experience would help our chances of seeing the job through next season.

Another possible is Joe Walsh of neighbours Crawley. A Wales U21 international, he has been linked with us before (in January). Maybe he fits into the dynamic young centre back category I described above? If we are interested, would require a fee I think.

Midfield - this area will be open to more debate. Adam Clayton, who we tried to sign from Huddersfield in the January transfer window, would be a strong option. He is a driving force in their centre of the field who scores a few and is also dangerous shooting from range, both for goals directly or rebounds for Leo and CMS.

An alternative may be to try and be the latest club to borrow Chalobah.

Personally, I would be very interested in the towering Chelsea U21 midfielder somebody (Mark By The Sea?) mentioned on here a few days ago. Is apparently a sensational young central midfielder. However, with Ince in the squad and Nzuzi now acquired he may be too similar to what we already have. Mark???

Aside from that, we need another creative midfielder. Perhaps a new Spanish player. Would love Forestieri from Watford but he'll be undoubtedly too expensive.

Get these added to the existing list (Stephens, Crofts, Ince, JFC, Nzuzi) and we'll be set.

As far as wingers go, I think we are ok. Kaz, March and Buckley give us options. Wouldn't mind seeing Lingard return on the season loan, but we'd need to have flexibility in the arrangement - no "compulsory starter" agreement as appears strongly to have been the case this season.

Forwards - as well as the aforementioned Lingard and Forestieri, who could be regarded as forwards as much as midfielders, we need to add one more name to the list. There may be a few feasible options here that I can think of. First of all, would love to see us loan Patrick Bamford from Chelsea. Was a big fan of him while he was on loan at MK Dons and was gutted to find out Derby had taken over his loan for the second half of the season.

Although many will disagree with me, I do think Bobby Zamora in a second stint for the club would work very well. His hold-up play and wealth of experience would see him as a great player in this division. He's been impressing in recent matches for QPR yet is unlikely to feature next season, especially if they win Saturday's play-off. He has had his injuries admittedly and that is the one potential doubt over him, but they have been different injuries rather than a persistent problem (e.g. knee). I have the feeling that injuries won't be as much of an issue going forwards as people think.

My first choice however is KIERAN AGARD of Rotherham. Agard has been a star of the Millers' promotion campaign and will feature in the Wembley final on Sunday for a place in The Championship. Worth checking out if you haven't seen them yet.

Regardless of whether he and his club are successful in that match, I believe we could prise him away. He would cost a relatively sizeable fee and I don't know how much we have in the kitty for that exactly but the word is we have some money for transfer fees.

He can play as a conventional front man or on the left side of attack. He scored a hatful of goals this season and is still quite young.
Captain,get your CV in to the club
Found your choice of prospects obtainable and realistic
UTA....
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: Players I would like to see brought in and think are feasible: Goalkeeper - Jack Butland (season loan although permanent would be superb). Has been on loan at Leeds for most of the season and can't see them being able to retain him. He will be looking for something more developmental to his career. FBs - I like the sound of RB Ayling from Yeovil. Quite a dynamic prospect. Stephen Ward signed on a permanent three or four year deal would be a no-brainer for me. Only worry is if Reading or other club with the unfair parachute payments advantage poke their nose in. CBs - people have mentioned that we are reportedly interested in Steven Reid who has been released by West Brom. I think he would be a superb acquisition given his experience and stature. While a dynamic younger centre back would be ideal, Reid would fit the bill really nicely for the medium term and his experience would help our chances of seeing the job through next season. Another possible is Joe Walsh of neighbours Crawley. A Wales U21 international, he has been linked with us before (in January). Maybe he fits into the dynamic young centre back category I described above? If we are interested, would require a fee I think. Midfield - this area will be open to more debate. Adam Clayton, who we tried to sign from Huddersfield in the January transfer window, would be a strong option. He is a driving force in their centre of the field who scores a few and is also dangerous shooting from range, both for goals directly or rebounds for Leo and CMS. An alternative may be to try and be the latest club to borrow Chalobah. Personally, I would be very interested in the towering Chelsea U21 midfielder somebody (Mark By The Sea?) mentioned on here a few days ago. Is apparently a sensational young central midfielder. However, with Ince in the squad and Nzuzi now acquired he may be too similar to what we already have. Mark??? Aside from that, we need another creative midfielder. Perhaps a new Spanish player. Would love Forestieri from Watford but he'll be undoubtedly too expensive. Get these added to the existing list (Stephens, Crofts, Ince, JFC, Nzuzi) and we'll be set. As far as wingers go, I think we are ok. Kaz, March and Buckley give us options. Wouldn't mind seeing Lingard return on the season loan, but we'd need to have flexibility in the arrangement - no "compulsory starter" agreement as appears strongly to have been the case this season. Forwards - as well as the aforementioned Lingard and Forestieri, who could be regarded as forwards as much as midfielders, we need to add one more name to the list. There may be a few feasible options here that I can think of. First of all, would love to see us loan Patrick Bamford from Chelsea. Was a big fan of him while he was on loan at MK Dons and was gutted to find out Derby had taken over his loan for the second half of the season. Although many will disagree with me, I do think Bobby Zamora in a second stint for the club would work very well. His hold-up play and wealth of experience would see him as a great player in this division. He's been impressing in recent matches for QPR yet is unlikely to feature next season, especially if they win Saturday's play-off. He has had his injuries admittedly and that is the one potential doubt over him, but they have been different injuries rather than a persistent problem (e.g. knee). I have the feeling that injuries won't be as much of an issue going forwards as people think. My first choice however is KIERAN AGARD of Rotherham. Agard has been a star of the Millers' promotion campaign and will feature in the Wembley final on Sunday for a place in The Championship. Worth checking out if you haven't seen them yet. Regardless of whether he and his club are successful in that match, I believe we could prise him away. He would cost a relatively sizeable fee and I don't know how much we have in the kitty for that exactly but the word is we have some money for transfer fees. He can play as a conventional front man or on the left side of attack. He scored a hatful of goals this season and is still quite young.[/p][/quote]Captain,get your CV in to the club Found your choice of prospects obtainable and realistic UTA.... hannover seagull
  • Score: 4

7:55pm Thu 22 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Another side to FFP is that sIdes struggling to facilitate FFP like Albion will be the subject of fairly derisory bids for players,such as we have seen for Ulloa,not good times at present.
Not so sure that we are, 'struggling,' to comply with the FFP rules, but yes, the FFP will lower price tags and wage demands, and that is part of what it is supposed to do.

I guess the offer of 3 million could be nothing more than an opening bid, start low and hope you don't have too pay much more. A bid such as this will also alert the player that a prem club want him, and they might hope that the player will put some pressure on his club to make a deal.

I would hope that Brighton would sit down with Leo, talk about the offer and then give him a new and improved deal, much in the same way Bornemouth did with Grabban. We might still come under pressure to sell him come January, but the price would be a whole lot higher as would any release clause.
That's absolutely right - I couldn't understand how players' contracts are allowed to virtually run out - their value diminishes the further they are into their contract but I'm not sure that's the way they think. Certainly didn't do that with Murray when that seemed the best business decision at the time. With the £3million we ended up paying for CMS - especially when our style was far more suited to Murray.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Another side to FFP is that sIdes struggling to facilitate FFP like Albion will be the subject of fairly derisory bids for players,such as we have seen for Ulloa,not good times at present.[/p][/quote]Not so sure that we are, 'struggling,' to comply with the FFP rules, but yes, the FFP will lower price tags and wage demands, and that is part of what it is supposed to do. I guess the offer of 3 million could be nothing more than an opening bid, start low and hope you don't have too pay much more. A bid such as this will also alert the player that a prem club want him, and they might hope that the player will put some pressure on his club to make a deal. I would hope that Brighton would sit down with Leo, talk about the offer and then give him a new and improved deal, much in the same way Bornemouth did with Grabban. We might still come under pressure to sell him come January, but the price would be a whole lot higher as would any release clause.[/p][/quote]That's absolutely right - I couldn't understand how players' contracts are allowed to virtually run out - their value diminishes the further they are into their contract but I'm not sure that's the way they think. Certainly didn't do that with Murray when that seemed the best business decision at the time. With the £3million we ended up paying for CMS - especially when our style was far more suited to Murray. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 2

7:55pm Thu 22 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Another side to FFP is that sIdes struggling to facilitate FFP like Albion will be the subject of fairly derisory bids for players,such as we have seen for Ulloa,not good times at present.
Not so sure that we are, 'struggling,' to comply with the FFP rules, but yes, the FFP will lower price tags and wage demands, and that is part of what it is supposed to do.

I guess the offer of 3 million could be nothing more than an opening bid, start low and hope you don't have too pay much more. A bid such as this will also alert the player that a prem club want him, and they might hope that the player will put some pressure on his club to make a deal.

I would hope that Brighton would sit down with Leo, talk about the offer and then give him a new and improved deal, much in the same way Bornemouth did with Grabban. We might still come under pressure to sell him come January, but the price would be a whole lot higher as would any release clause.
That's absolutely right - I couldn't understand how players' contracts are allowed to virtually run out - their value diminishes the further they are into their contract but I'm not sure that's the way they think. Certainly didn't do that with Murray when that seemed the best business decision at the time. With the £3million we ended up paying for CMS - especially when our style was far more suited to Murray.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Another side to FFP is that sIdes struggling to facilitate FFP like Albion will be the subject of fairly derisory bids for players,such as we have seen for Ulloa,not good times at present.[/p][/quote]Not so sure that we are, 'struggling,' to comply with the FFP rules, but yes, the FFP will lower price tags and wage demands, and that is part of what it is supposed to do. I guess the offer of 3 million could be nothing more than an opening bid, start low and hope you don't have too pay much more. A bid such as this will also alert the player that a prem club want him, and they might hope that the player will put some pressure on his club to make a deal. I would hope that Brighton would sit down with Leo, talk about the offer and then give him a new and improved deal, much in the same way Bornemouth did with Grabban. We might still come under pressure to sell him come January, but the price would be a whole lot higher as would any release clause.[/p][/quote]That's absolutely right - I couldn't understand how players' contracts are allowed to virtually run out - their value diminishes the further they are into their contract but I'm not sure that's the way they think. Certainly didn't do that with Murray when that seemed the best business decision at the time. With the £3million we ended up paying for CMS - especially when our style was far more suited to Murray. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 2

8:10pm Thu 22 May 14

Mancgulled says...

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/football/cham
pionship/top-scorers


These are the top scorers in the division of the season - a significant number of which will not be present next season - considering how many games Leo missed he will arguably be one of the very top finishers next season. £3m is an insulting pi55-take! Palace offered 5m! Dont want this person to leave under any circumstances - is a jewel in the crown! Plus nobody yet knows what a fit rejuvenated CMS will bring to the table. I know I was anti-Sherwood but only because Mackay seemed the best candidate but I like a lot of other people would like to see 2 upfront next season and so I'am glad we wont be getting the Madrid coach. I said in the long run that OGs style would stand us in good stead and that is borne out by the fact that Leicester are now looking for someone to play the lone role as Pearson knows Leo is good at it and he is preparing to change his style to more mirror what we are attempting to be over the last 3 seasons. If Sherwood arrived with Friedel as suggested by Ballantrae ( I think ) - that would be a genius stroke because we need to strengthen in midfield before upfront and definitely before we need any additions to defence - we had 20 clean sheets! If the combined age of the defence had been 235 what would it matter? Ayling was fantastic in that match and so was Hayter the no. 9 but concentrate on the areas we have need for - (we have 2 very good RBs) - like we should have done prior to last seasons start ..
http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/football/cham pionship/top-scorers These are the top scorers in the division of the season - a significant number of which will not be present next season - considering how many games Leo missed he will arguably be one of the very top finishers next season. £3m is an insulting pi55-take! Palace offered 5m! Dont want this person to leave under any circumstances - is a jewel in the crown! Plus nobody yet knows what a fit rejuvenated CMS will bring to the table. I know I was anti-Sherwood but only because Mackay seemed the best candidate but I like a lot of other people would like to see 2 upfront next season and so I'am glad we wont be getting the Madrid coach. I said in the long run that OGs style would stand us in good stead and that is borne out by the fact that Leicester are now looking for someone to play the lone role as Pearson knows Leo is good at it and he is preparing to change his style to more mirror what we are attempting to be over the last 3 seasons. If Sherwood arrived with Friedel as suggested by Ballantrae ( I think ) - that would be a genius stroke because we need to strengthen in midfield before upfront and definitely before we need any additions to defence - we had 20 clean sheets! If the combined age of the defence had been 235 what would it matter? Ayling was fantastic in that match and so was Hayter the no. 9 but concentrate on the areas we have need for - (we have 2 very good RBs) - like we should have done prior to last seasons start .. Mancgulled
  • Score: 0

8:30pm Thu 22 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Thanks to those that corrected by Neville error, you are of course correct, I did get the brothers names mixed up.
Thanks to those that corrected by Neville error, you are of course correct, I did get the brothers names mixed up. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

9:07am Fri 23 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

hannover seagull wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
Players I would like to see brought in and think are feasible:

Goalkeeper - Jack Butland (season loan although permanent would be superb). Has been on loan at Leeds for most of the season and can't see them being able to retain him. He will be looking for something more developmental to his career.

FBs - I like the sound of RB Ayling from Yeovil. Quite a dynamic prospect.

Stephen Ward signed on a permanent three or four year deal would be a no-brainer for me. Only worry is if Reading or other club with the unfair parachute payments advantage poke their nose in.

CBs - people have mentioned that we are reportedly interested in Steven Reid who has been released by West Brom. I think he would be a superb acquisition given his experience and stature. While a dynamic younger centre back would be ideal, Reid would fit the bill really nicely for the medium term and his experience would help our chances of seeing the job through next season.

Another possible is Joe Walsh of neighbours Crawley. A Wales U21 international, he has been linked with us before (in January). Maybe he fits into the dynamic young centre back category I described above? If we are interested, would require a fee I think.

Midfield - this area will be open to more debate. Adam Clayton, who we tried to sign from Huddersfield in the January transfer window, would be a strong option. He is a driving force in their centre of the field who scores a few and is also dangerous shooting from range, both for goals directly or rebounds for Leo and CMS.

An alternative may be to try and be the latest club to borrow Chalobah.

Personally, I would be very interested in the towering Chelsea U21 midfielder somebody (Mark By The Sea?) mentioned on here a few days ago. Is apparently a sensational young central midfielder. However, with Ince in the squad and Nzuzi now acquired he may be too similar to what we already have. Mark???

Aside from that, we need another creative midfielder. Perhaps a new Spanish player. Would love Forestieri from Watford but he'll be undoubtedly too expensive.

Get these added to the existing list (Stephens, Crofts, Ince, JFC, Nzuzi) and we'll be set.

As far as wingers go, I think we are ok. Kaz, March and Buckley give us options. Wouldn't mind seeing Lingard return on the season loan, but we'd need to have flexibility in the arrangement - no "compulsory starter" agreement as appears strongly to have been the case this season.

Forwards - as well as the aforementioned Lingard and Forestieri, who could be regarded as forwards as much as midfielders, we need to add one more name to the list. There may be a few feasible options here that I can think of. First of all, would love to see us loan Patrick Bamford from Chelsea. Was a big fan of him while he was on loan at MK Dons and was gutted to find out Derby had taken over his loan for the second half of the season.

Although many will disagree with me, I do think Bobby Zamora in a second stint for the club would work very well. His hold-up play and wealth of experience would see him as a great player in this division. He's been impressing in recent matches for QPR yet is unlikely to feature next season, especially if they win Saturday's play-off. He has had his injuries admittedly and that is the one potential doubt over him, but they have been different injuries rather than a persistent problem (e.g. knee). I have the feeling that injuries won't be as much of an issue going forwards as people think.

My first choice however is KIERAN AGARD of Rotherham. Agard has been a star of the Millers' promotion campaign and will feature in the Wembley final on Sunday for a place in The Championship. Worth checking out if you haven't seen them yet.

Regardless of whether he and his club are successful in that match, I believe we could prise him away. He would cost a relatively sizeable fee and I don't know how much we have in the kitty for that exactly but the word is we have some money for transfer fees.

He can play as a conventional front man or on the left side of attack. He scored a hatful of goals this season and is still quite young.
Captain,get your CV in to the club
Found your choice of prospects obtainable and realistic
UTA....
How do you know I haven't already? ;0)

Can't say too much but it's narrowed down to me and a certain special Portuguese "gentleman".
[quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: Players I would like to see brought in and think are feasible: Goalkeeper - Jack Butland (season loan although permanent would be superb). Has been on loan at Leeds for most of the season and can't see them being able to retain him. He will be looking for something more developmental to his career. FBs - I like the sound of RB Ayling from Yeovil. Quite a dynamic prospect. Stephen Ward signed on a permanent three or four year deal would be a no-brainer for me. Only worry is if Reading or other club with the unfair parachute payments advantage poke their nose in. CBs - people have mentioned that we are reportedly interested in Steven Reid who has been released by West Brom. I think he would be a superb acquisition given his experience and stature. While a dynamic younger centre back would be ideal, Reid would fit the bill really nicely for the medium term and his experience would help our chances of seeing the job through next season. Another possible is Joe Walsh of neighbours Crawley. A Wales U21 international, he has been linked with us before (in January). Maybe he fits into the dynamic young centre back category I described above? If we are interested, would require a fee I think. Midfield - this area will be open to more debate. Adam Clayton, who we tried to sign from Huddersfield in the January transfer window, would be a strong option. He is a driving force in their centre of the field who scores a few and is also dangerous shooting from range, both for goals directly or rebounds for Leo and CMS. An alternative may be to try and be the latest club to borrow Chalobah. Personally, I would be very interested in the towering Chelsea U21 midfielder somebody (Mark By The Sea?) mentioned on here a few days ago. Is apparently a sensational young central midfielder. However, with Ince in the squad and Nzuzi now acquired he may be too similar to what we already have. Mark??? Aside from that, we need another creative midfielder. Perhaps a new Spanish player. Would love Forestieri from Watford but he'll be undoubtedly too expensive. Get these added to the existing list (Stephens, Crofts, Ince, JFC, Nzuzi) and we'll be set. As far as wingers go, I think we are ok. Kaz, March and Buckley give us options. Wouldn't mind seeing Lingard return on the season loan, but we'd need to have flexibility in the arrangement - no "compulsory starter" agreement as appears strongly to have been the case this season. Forwards - as well as the aforementioned Lingard and Forestieri, who could be regarded as forwards as much as midfielders, we need to add one more name to the list. There may be a few feasible options here that I can think of. First of all, would love to see us loan Patrick Bamford from Chelsea. Was a big fan of him while he was on loan at MK Dons and was gutted to find out Derby had taken over his loan for the second half of the season. Although many will disagree with me, I do think Bobby Zamora in a second stint for the club would work very well. His hold-up play and wealth of experience would see him as a great player in this division. He's been impressing in recent matches for QPR yet is unlikely to feature next season, especially if they win Saturday's play-off. He has had his injuries admittedly and that is the one potential doubt over him, but they have been different injuries rather than a persistent problem (e.g. knee). I have the feeling that injuries won't be as much of an issue going forwards as people think. My first choice however is KIERAN AGARD of Rotherham. Agard has been a star of the Millers' promotion campaign and will feature in the Wembley final on Sunday for a place in The Championship. Worth checking out if you haven't seen them yet. Regardless of whether he and his club are successful in that match, I believe we could prise him away. He would cost a relatively sizeable fee and I don't know how much we have in the kitty for that exactly but the word is we have some money for transfer fees. He can play as a conventional front man or on the left side of attack. He scored a hatful of goals this season and is still quite young.[/p][/quote]Captain,get your CV in to the club Found your choice of prospects obtainable and realistic UTA....[/p][/quote]How do you know I haven't already? ;0) Can't say too much but it's narrowed down to me and a certain special Portuguese "gentleman". Captain Haddock
  • Score: 0

4:46pm Fri 23 May 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Sunderland have just released Keiren Westwood RoI goalkeeper.
Your move Mr Burke. UTA
Sunderland have just released Keiren Westwood RoI goalkeeper. Your move Mr Burke. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 1

5:33pm Fri 23 May 14

true fan says...

hannover seagull wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
Players I would like to see brought in and think are feasible:

Goalkeeper - Jack Butland (season loan although permanent would be superb). Has been on loan at Leeds for most of the season and can't see them being able to retain him. He will be looking for something more developmental to his career.

FBs - I like the sound of RB Ayling from Yeovil. Quite a dynamic prospect.

Stephen Ward signed on a permanent three or four year deal would be a no-brainer for me. Only worry is if Reading or other club with the unfair parachute payments advantage poke their nose in.

CBs - people have mentioned that we are reportedly interested in Steven Reid who has been released by West Brom. I think he would be a superb acquisition given his experience and stature. While a dynamic younger centre back would be ideal, Reid would fit the bill really nicely for the medium term and his experience would help our chances of seeing the job through next season.

Another possible is Joe Walsh of neighbours Crawley. A Wales U21 international, he has been linked with us before (in January). Maybe he fits into the dynamic young centre back category I described above? If we are interested, would require a fee I think.

Midfield - this area will be open to more debate. Adam Clayton, who we tried to sign from Huddersfield in the January transfer window, would be a strong option. He is a driving force in their centre of the field who scores a few and is also dangerous shooting from range, both for goals directly or rebounds for Leo and CMS.

An alternative may be to try and be the latest club to borrow Chalobah.

Personally, I would be very interested in the towering Chelsea U21 midfielder somebody (Mark By The Sea?) mentioned on here a few days ago. Is apparently a sensational young central midfielder. However, with Ince in the squad and Nzuzi now acquired he may be too similar to what we already have. Mark???

Aside from that, we need another creative midfielder. Perhaps a new Spanish player. Would love Forestieri from Watford but he'll be undoubtedly too expensive.

Get these added to the existing list (Stephens, Crofts, Ince, JFC, Nzuzi) and we'll be set.

As far as wingers go, I think we are ok. Kaz, March and Buckley give us options. Wouldn't mind seeing Lingard return on the season loan, but we'd need to have flexibility in the arrangement - no "compulsory starter" agreement as appears strongly to have been the case this season.

Forwards - as well as the aforementioned Lingard and Forestieri, who could be regarded as forwards as much as midfielders, we need to add one more name to the list. There may be a few feasible options here that I can think of. First of all, would love to see us loan Patrick Bamford from Chelsea. Was a big fan of him while he was on loan at MK Dons and was gutted to find out Derby had taken over his loan for the second half of the season.

Although many will disagree with me, I do think Bobby Zamora in a second stint for the club would work very well. His hold-up play and wealth of experience would see him as a great player in this division. He's been impressing in recent matches for QPR yet is unlikely to feature next season, especially if they win Saturday's play-off. He has had his injuries admittedly and that is the one potential doubt over him, but they have been different injuries rather than a persistent problem (e.g. knee). I have the feeling that injuries won't be as much of an issue going forwards as people think.

My first choice however is KIERAN AGARD of Rotherham. Agard has been a star of the Millers' promotion campaign and will feature in the Wembley final on Sunday for a place in The Championship. Worth checking out if you haven't seen them yet.

Regardless of whether he and his club are successful in that match, I believe we could prise him away. He would cost a relatively sizeable fee and I don't know how much we have in the kitty for that exactly but the word is we have some money for transfer fees.

He can play as a conventional front man or on the left side of attack. He scored a hatful of goals this season and is still quite young.
Captain,get your CV in to the club
Found your choice of prospects obtainable and realistic
UTA....
Chris Eagles was released, also a good option I think??
[quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: Players I would like to see brought in and think are feasible: Goalkeeper - Jack Butland (season loan although permanent would be superb). Has been on loan at Leeds for most of the season and can't see them being able to retain him. He will be looking for something more developmental to his career. FBs - I like the sound of RB Ayling from Yeovil. Quite a dynamic prospect. Stephen Ward signed on a permanent three or four year deal would be a no-brainer for me. Only worry is if Reading or other club with the unfair parachute payments advantage poke their nose in. CBs - people have mentioned that we are reportedly interested in Steven Reid who has been released by West Brom. I think he would be a superb acquisition given his experience and stature. While a dynamic younger centre back would be ideal, Reid would fit the bill really nicely for the medium term and his experience would help our chances of seeing the job through next season. Another possible is Joe Walsh of neighbours Crawley. A Wales U21 international, he has been linked with us before (in January). Maybe he fits into the dynamic young centre back category I described above? If we are interested, would require a fee I think. Midfield - this area will be open to more debate. Adam Clayton, who we tried to sign from Huddersfield in the January transfer window, would be a strong option. He is a driving force in their centre of the field who scores a few and is also dangerous shooting from range, both for goals directly or rebounds for Leo and CMS. An alternative may be to try and be the latest club to borrow Chalobah. Personally, I would be very interested in the towering Chelsea U21 midfielder somebody (Mark By The Sea?) mentioned on here a few days ago. Is apparently a sensational young central midfielder. However, with Ince in the squad and Nzuzi now acquired he may be too similar to what we already have. Mark??? Aside from that, we need another creative midfielder. Perhaps a new Spanish player. Would love Forestieri from Watford but he'll be undoubtedly too expensive. Get these added to the existing list (Stephens, Crofts, Ince, JFC, Nzuzi) and we'll be set. As far as wingers go, I think we are ok. Kaz, March and Buckley give us options. Wouldn't mind seeing Lingard return on the season loan, but we'd need to have flexibility in the arrangement - no "compulsory starter" agreement as appears strongly to have been the case this season. Forwards - as well as the aforementioned Lingard and Forestieri, who could be regarded as forwards as much as midfielders, we need to add one more name to the list. There may be a few feasible options here that I can think of. First of all, would love to see us loan Patrick Bamford from Chelsea. Was a big fan of him while he was on loan at MK Dons and was gutted to find out Derby had taken over his loan for the second half of the season. Although many will disagree with me, I do think Bobby Zamora in a second stint for the club would work very well. His hold-up play and wealth of experience would see him as a great player in this division. He's been impressing in recent matches for QPR yet is unlikely to feature next season, especially if they win Saturday's play-off. He has had his injuries admittedly and that is the one potential doubt over him, but they have been different injuries rather than a persistent problem (e.g. knee). I have the feeling that injuries won't be as much of an issue going forwards as people think. My first choice however is KIERAN AGARD of Rotherham. Agard has been a star of the Millers' promotion campaign and will feature in the Wembley final on Sunday for a place in The Championship. Worth checking out if you haven't seen them yet. Regardless of whether he and his club are successful in that match, I believe we could prise him away. He would cost a relatively sizeable fee and I don't know how much we have in the kitty for that exactly but the word is we have some money for transfer fees. He can play as a conventional front man or on the left side of attack. He scored a hatful of goals this season and is still quite young.[/p][/quote]Captain,get your CV in to the club Found your choice of prospects obtainable and realistic UTA....[/p][/quote]Chris Eagles was released, also a good option I think?? true fan
  • Score: -1

5:33pm Fri 23 May 14

true fan says...

hannover seagull wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
Players I would like to see brought in and think are feasible:

Goalkeeper - Jack Butland (season loan although permanent would be superb). Has been on loan at Leeds for most of the season and can't see them being able to retain him. He will be looking for something more developmental to his career.

FBs - I like the sound of RB Ayling from Yeovil. Quite a dynamic prospect.

Stephen Ward signed on a permanent three or four year deal would be a no-brainer for me. Only worry is if Reading or other club with the unfair parachute payments advantage poke their nose in.

CBs - people have mentioned that we are reportedly interested in Steven Reid who has been released by West Brom. I think he would be a superb acquisition given his experience and stature. While a dynamic younger centre back would be ideal, Reid would fit the bill really nicely for the medium term and his experience would help our chances of seeing the job through next season.

Another possible is Joe Walsh of neighbours Crawley. A Wales U21 international, he has been linked with us before (in January). Maybe he fits into the dynamic young centre back category I described above? If we are interested, would require a fee I think.

Midfield - this area will be open to more debate. Adam Clayton, who we tried to sign from Huddersfield in the January transfer window, would be a strong option. He is a driving force in their centre of the field who scores a few and is also dangerous shooting from range, both for goals directly or rebounds for Leo and CMS.

An alternative may be to try and be the latest club to borrow Chalobah.

Personally, I would be very interested in the towering Chelsea U21 midfielder somebody (Mark By The Sea?) mentioned on here a few days ago. Is apparently a sensational young central midfielder. However, with Ince in the squad and Nzuzi now acquired he may be too similar to what we already have. Mark???

Aside from that, we need another creative midfielder. Perhaps a new Spanish player. Would love Forestieri from Watford but he'll be undoubtedly too expensive.

Get these added to the existing list (Stephens, Crofts, Ince, JFC, Nzuzi) and we'll be set.

As far as wingers go, I think we are ok. Kaz, March and Buckley give us options. Wouldn't mind seeing Lingard return on the season loan, but we'd need to have flexibility in the arrangement - no "compulsory starter" agreement as appears strongly to have been the case this season.

Forwards - as well as the aforementioned Lingard and Forestieri, who could be regarded as forwards as much as midfielders, we need to add one more name to the list. There may be a few feasible options here that I can think of. First of all, would love to see us loan Patrick Bamford from Chelsea. Was a big fan of him while he was on loan at MK Dons and was gutted to find out Derby had taken over his loan for the second half of the season.

Although many will disagree with me, I do think Bobby Zamora in a second stint for the club would work very well. His hold-up play and wealth of experience would see him as a great player in this division. He's been impressing in recent matches for QPR yet is unlikely to feature next season, especially if they win Saturday's play-off. He has had his injuries admittedly and that is the one potential doubt over him, but they have been different injuries rather than a persistent problem (e.g. knee). I have the feeling that injuries won't be as much of an issue going forwards as people think.

My first choice however is KIERAN AGARD of Rotherham. Agard has been a star of the Millers' promotion campaign and will feature in the Wembley final on Sunday for a place in The Championship. Worth checking out if you haven't seen them yet.

Regardless of whether he and his club are successful in that match, I believe we could prise him away. He would cost a relatively sizeable fee and I don't know how much we have in the kitty for that exactly but the word is we have some money for transfer fees.

He can play as a conventional front man or on the left side of attack. He scored a hatful of goals this season and is still quite young.
Captain,get your CV in to the club
Found your choice of prospects obtainable and realistic
UTA....
Chris Eagles was released, also a good option I think??
[quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: Players I would like to see brought in and think are feasible: Goalkeeper - Jack Butland (season loan although permanent would be superb). Has been on loan at Leeds for most of the season and can't see them being able to retain him. He will be looking for something more developmental to his career. FBs - I like the sound of RB Ayling from Yeovil. Quite a dynamic prospect. Stephen Ward signed on a permanent three or four year deal would be a no-brainer for me. Only worry is if Reading or other club with the unfair parachute payments advantage poke their nose in. CBs - people have mentioned that we are reportedly interested in Steven Reid who has been released by West Brom. I think he would be a superb acquisition given his experience and stature. While a dynamic younger centre back would be ideal, Reid would fit the bill really nicely for the medium term and his experience would help our chances of seeing the job through next season. Another possible is Joe Walsh of neighbours Crawley. A Wales U21 international, he has been linked with us before (in January). Maybe he fits into the dynamic young centre back category I described above? If we are interested, would require a fee I think. Midfield - this area will be open to more debate. Adam Clayton, who we tried to sign from Huddersfield in the January transfer window, would be a strong option. He is a driving force in their centre of the field who scores a few and is also dangerous shooting from range, both for goals directly or rebounds for Leo and CMS. An alternative may be to try and be the latest club to borrow Chalobah. Personally, I would be very interested in the towering Chelsea U21 midfielder somebody (Mark By The Sea?) mentioned on here a few days ago. Is apparently a sensational young central midfielder. However, with Ince in the squad and Nzuzi now acquired he may be too similar to what we already have. Mark??? Aside from that, we need another creative midfielder. Perhaps a new Spanish player. Would love Forestieri from Watford but he'll be undoubtedly too expensive. Get these added to the existing list (Stephens, Crofts, Ince, JFC, Nzuzi) and we'll be set. As far as wingers go, I think we are ok. Kaz, March and Buckley give us options. Wouldn't mind seeing Lingard return on the season loan, but we'd need to have flexibility in the arrangement - no "compulsory starter" agreement as appears strongly to have been the case this season. Forwards - as well as the aforementioned Lingard and Forestieri, who could be regarded as forwards as much as midfielders, we need to add one more name to the list. There may be a few feasible options here that I can think of. First of all, would love to see us loan Patrick Bamford from Chelsea. Was a big fan of him while he was on loan at MK Dons and was gutted to find out Derby had taken over his loan for the second half of the season. Although many will disagree with me, I do think Bobby Zamora in a second stint for the club would work very well. His hold-up play and wealth of experience would see him as a great player in this division. He's been impressing in recent matches for QPR yet is unlikely to feature next season, especially if they win Saturday's play-off. He has had his injuries admittedly and that is the one potential doubt over him, but they have been different injuries rather than a persistent problem (e.g. knee). I have the feeling that injuries won't be as much of an issue going forwards as people think. My first choice however is KIERAN AGARD of Rotherham. Agard has been a star of the Millers' promotion campaign and will feature in the Wembley final on Sunday for a place in The Championship. Worth checking out if you haven't seen them yet. Regardless of whether he and his club are successful in that match, I believe we could prise him away. He would cost a relatively sizeable fee and I don't know how much we have in the kitty for that exactly but the word is we have some money for transfer fees. He can play as a conventional front man or on the left side of attack. He scored a hatful of goals this season and is still quite young.[/p][/quote]Captain,get your CV in to the club Found your choice of prospects obtainable and realistic UTA....[/p][/quote]Chris Eagles was released, also a good option I think?? true fan
  • Score: -2

6:00pm Fri 23 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

I notice that Hull have released Koren and Fryatt. I'd love to ahve those two at the Amex.

http://www.premierle
ague.com/content/dam
/premierleague/site-
content/News/publica
tions/squad-lists/pr
emier-league-free-tr
ansfer-list-2013-201
4.pdf
I notice that Hull have released Koren and Fryatt. I'd love to ahve those two at the Amex. http://www.premierle ague.com/content/dam /premierleague/site- content/News/publica tions/squad-lists/pr emier-league-free-tr ansfer-list-2013-201 4.pdf Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -3

10:57am Sat 24 May 14

Mancgulled says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I notice that Hull have released Koren and Fryatt. I'd love to ahve those two at the Amex.

http://www.premierle

ague.com/content/dam

/premierleague/site-

content/News/publica

tions/squad-lists/pr

emier-league-free-tr

ansfer-list-2013-201

4.pdf
Good shout - rather interestingly on that list are Mark Schwarzer and Julian Speroni -- couldn't quite believe my eyes on that last one - now he is a good goalie!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I notice that Hull have released Koren and Fryatt. I'd love to ahve those two at the Amex. http://www.premierle ague.com/content/dam /premierleague/site- content/News/publica tions/squad-lists/pr emier-league-free-tr ansfer-list-2013-201 4.pdf[/p][/quote]Good shout - rather interestingly on that list are Mark Schwarzer and Julian Speroni -- couldn't quite believe my eyes on that last one - now he is a good goalie! Mancgulled
  • Score: 3

11:22am Sat 24 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Mancgulled wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I notice that Hull have released Koren and Fryatt. I'd love to ahve those two at the Amex.

http://www.premierle


ague.com/content/dam


/premierleague/site-


content/News/publica


tions/squad-lists/pr


emier-league-free-tr


ansfer-list-2013-201


4.pdf
Good shout - rather interestingly on that list are Mark Schwarzer and Julian Speroni -- couldn't quite believe my eyes on that last one - now he is a good goalie!
I heard yesterday that he's only on the list because he hasn't yet signed the contract that's been offered to him, but it is expected he will and will therefore come off that list. Otherwise, snap him up.
[quote][p][bold]Mancgulled[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I notice that Hull have released Koren and Fryatt. I'd love to ahve those two at the Amex. http://www.premierle ague.com/content/dam /premierleague/site- content/News/publica tions/squad-lists/pr emier-league-free-tr ansfer-list-2013-201 4.pdf[/p][/quote]Good shout - rather interestingly on that list are Mark Schwarzer and Julian Speroni -- couldn't quite believe my eyes on that last one - now he is a good goalie![/p][/quote]I heard yesterday that he's only on the list because he hasn't yet signed the contract that's been offered to him, but it is expected he will and will therefore come off that list. Otherwise, snap him up. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

6:11pm Sat 24 May 14

Asleep in Dorset says...

sorry, but the general theme of this thread is 'so and so has been released, let's get him / them in ' . Are we not able to source our own signings instead of taking on every other clubs' rejects.......they'r
e being released for a reason, they're either s*** , high wage earners or past their best.......
sorry, but the general theme of this thread is 'so and so has been released, let's get him / them in ' . Are we not able to source our own signings instead of taking on every other clubs' rejects.......they'r e being released for a reason, they're either s*** , high wage earners or past their best....... Asleep in Dorset
  • Score: 2

7:19pm Sat 24 May 14

2ndCitySeagull says...

Bobby has still got it! One chance one shot and it hits the back of the net, that's Zamora.
Bobby has still got it! One chance one shot and it hits the back of the net, that's Zamora. 2ndCitySeagull
  • Score: 2

7:23pm Sat 24 May 14

Mancgulled says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Mancgulled wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
I notice that Hull have released Koren and Fryatt. I'd love to ahve those two at the Amex.

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Good shout - rather interestingly on that list are Mark Schwarzer and Julian Speroni -- couldn't quite believe my eyes on that last one - now he is a good goalie!
I heard yesterday that he's only on the list because he hasn't yet signed the contract that's been offered to him, but it is expected he will and will therefore come off that list. Otherwise, snap him up.
Thought it was too good to be true!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mancgulled[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: I notice that Hull have released Koren and Fryatt. I'd love to ahve those two at the Amex. http://www.premierle ague.com/content/dam /premierleague/site- content/News/publica tions/squad-lists/pr emier-league-free-tr ansfer-list-2013-201 4.pdf[/p][/quote]Good shout - rather interestingly on that list are Mark Schwarzer and Julian Speroni -- couldn't quite believe my eyes on that last one - now he is a good goalie![/p][/quote]I heard yesterday that he's only on the list because he hasn't yet signed the contract that's been offered to him, but it is expected he will and will therefore come off that list. Otherwise, snap him up.[/p][/quote]Thought it was too good to be true! Mancgulled
  • Score: 3

10:06am Thu 29 May 14

rolivan says...

Is this old News?
Is this old News? rolivan
  • Score: -1

10:19am Thu 29 May 14

Neville says...

Interesting article in Mail,apparently Phil Neville was interviewed 12months-
ago before OG was appointed.They seem to think 7candidates including Sherwood,Hughton,Nev
ille and Garde.
Interesting article in Mail,apparently Phil Neville was interviewed 12months- ago before OG was appointed.They seem to think 7candidates including Sherwood,Hughton,Nev ille and Garde. Neville
  • Score: -2

10:23am Thu 29 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

bhafc11 wrote:
For the keeper, we could do worse than lucasz Fabianski! Just won the f.a cup and is a free agent!
He's gone to Swansea, we dithered and missed out.
[quote][p][bold]bhafc11[/bold] wrote: For the keeper, we could do worse than lucasz Fabianski! Just won the f.a cup and is a free agent![/p][/quote]He's gone to Swansea, we dithered and missed out. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: -5

10:43am Thu 29 May 14

DougRouvie says...

ballantrrae wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Another side to FFP is that sIdes struggling to facilitate FFP like Albion will be the subject of fairly derisory bids for players,such as we have seen for Ulloa,not good times at present.
Not so sure that we are, 'struggling,' to comply with the FFP rules, but yes, the FFP will lower price tags and wage demands, and that is part of what it is supposed to do.

I guess the offer of 3 million could be nothing more than an opening bid, start low and hope you don't have too pay much more. A bid such as this will also alert the player that a prem club want him, and they might hope that the player will put some pressure on his club to make a deal.

I would hope that Brighton would sit down with Leo, talk about the offer and then give him a new and improved deal, much in the same way Bornemouth did with Grabban. We might still come under pressure to sell him come January, but the price would be a whole lot higher as would any release clause.
Good points Vegas but I am not sure using Grabban as an example is a good one.
At the time Grabban joined Bournemouth he was actually lined up (deal agreed - sound familiar) to sign for Crawley. Then there is a deal made for him to join the Albion but he stayed with Bournemouth when they upped his wages. Last week it was reported that he was to join Cardiff for £3 million. The last I heard (Tuesday) it was being reported that Derby were trying to recruit him !.
Good player though he is I am pleased he didn't join us.
Money Grabban!!
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Another side to FFP is that sIdes struggling to facilitate FFP like Albion will be the subject of fairly derisory bids for players,such as we have seen for Ulloa,not good times at present.[/p][/quote]Not so sure that we are, 'struggling,' to comply with the FFP rules, but yes, the FFP will lower price tags and wage demands, and that is part of what it is supposed to do. I guess the offer of 3 million could be nothing more than an opening bid, start low and hope you don't have too pay much more. A bid such as this will also alert the player that a prem club want him, and they might hope that the player will put some pressure on his club to make a deal. I would hope that Brighton would sit down with Leo, talk about the offer and then give him a new and improved deal, much in the same way Bornemouth did with Grabban. We might still come under pressure to sell him come January, but the price would be a whole lot higher as would any release clause.[/p][/quote]Good points Vegas but I am not sure using Grabban as an example is a good one. At the time Grabban joined Bournemouth he was actually lined up (deal agreed - sound familiar) to sign for Crawley. Then there is a deal made for him to join the Albion but he stayed with Bournemouth when they upped his wages. Last week it was reported that he was to join Cardiff for £3 million. The last I heard (Tuesday) it was being reported that Derby were trying to recruit him !. Good player though he is I am pleased he didn't join us.[/p][/quote]Money Grabban!! DougRouvie
  • Score: 0

10:45am Thu 29 May 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
bhafc11 wrote:
For the keeper, we could do worse than lucasz Fabianski! Just won the f.a cup and is a free agent!
He's gone to Swansea, we dithered and missed out.
Even if we had not dithered do you really think he would have come to us when PL clubs are about, especially as we seem to be constricted by FFP.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhafc11[/bold] wrote: For the keeper, we could do worse than lucasz Fabianski! Just won the f.a cup and is a free agent![/p][/quote]He's gone to Swansea, we dithered and missed out.[/p][/quote]Even if we had not dithered do you really think he would have come to us when PL clubs are about, especially as we seem to be constricted by FFP. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 0

10:58am Thu 29 May 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Back to the thread. Maybe Remi Garde is the unexpected I've been expecting. Has experience in this country and looks to have done well at Lyon
over 4 years and has links to Arsenal. Maybe he's the next Arsene Wenger.
UTA
Back to the thread. Maybe Remi Garde is the unexpected I've been expecting. Has experience in this country and looks to have done well at Lyon over 4 years and has links to Arsenal. Maybe he's the next Arsene Wenger. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: -2

11:04am Thu 29 May 14

the taffster says...

All these players are being released and we have no manager in place.... We're going to miss the boat again.
All these players are being released and we have no manager in place.... We're going to miss the boat again. the taffster
  • Score: -6

11:06am Thu 29 May 14

Conelli98 says...

Evening argus...YOU ARE THE LOCAL RAG NOT THE MAIL!!! Why do you not bring us the stories first? Ok I admit that snipits of information that I am fed are not always accurate but a few have been but you feed us other papers news, surely you must have a mole in the club?🐚🐚🐚
Evening argus...YOU ARE THE LOCAL RAG NOT THE MAIL!!! Why do you not bring us the stories first? Ok I admit that snipits of information that I am fed are not always accurate but a few have been but you feed us other papers news, surely you must have a mole in the club?🐚🐚🐚 Conelli98
  • Score: -4

11:40am Thu 29 May 14

MILLIE26 says...

bhafc11 wrote:
For the keeper, we could do worse than lucasz Fabianski! Just won the f.a cup and is a free agent!
I think Shay Given is a better option,was great for boro last year and would c bring young Walton on.He would be free from Villa and has a couple of years left in him before he turns to coaching
[quote][p][bold]bhafc11[/bold] wrote: For the keeper, we could do worse than lucasz Fabianski! Just won the f.a cup and is a free agent![/p][/quote]I think Shay Given is a better option,was great for boro last year and would c bring young Walton on.He would be free from Villa and has a couple of years left in him before he turns to coaching MILLIE26
  • Score: 5

11:55am Thu 29 May 14

JeffLomer says...

MILLIE26 wrote:
bhafc11 wrote:
For the keeper, we could do worse than lucasz Fabianski! Just won the f.a cup and is a free agent!
I think Shay Given is a better option,was great for boro last year and would c bring young Walton on.He would be free from Villa and has a couple of years left in him before he turns to coaching
The Arsenal keeper signed four year deal at Swansea!
Up the Albion!!!!
[quote][p][bold]MILLIE26[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhafc11[/bold] wrote: For the keeper, we could do worse than lucasz Fabianski! Just won the f.a cup and is a free agent![/p][/quote]I think Shay Given is a better option,was great for boro last year and would c bring young Walton on.He would be free from Villa and has a couple of years left in him before he turns to coaching[/p][/quote]The Arsenal keeper signed four year deal at Swansea! Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -3

12:07pm Thu 29 May 14

dave from bexill says...

MILLIE26 wrote:
bhafc11 wrote:
For the keeper, we could do worse than lucasz Fabianski! Just won the f.a cup and is a free agent!
I think Shay Given is a better option,was great for boro last year and would c bring young Walton on.He would be free from Villa and has a couple of years left in him before he turns to coaching
Good shout
[quote][p][bold]MILLIE26[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhafc11[/bold] wrote: For the keeper, we could do worse than lucasz Fabianski! Just won the f.a cup and is a free agent![/p][/quote]I think Shay Given is a better option,was great for boro last year and would c bring young Walton on.He would be free from Villa and has a couple of years left in him before he turns to coaching[/p][/quote]Good shout dave from bexill
  • Score: 2

12:41pm Thu 29 May 14

tinker111 says...

bhafc11 wrote:
For the keeper, we could do worse than lucasz Fabianski! Just won the f.a cup and is a free agent!
GONE TO SWAN'S ALBION TO TO TO LATE AGAIN
[quote][p][bold]bhafc11[/bold] wrote: For the keeper, we could do worse than lucasz Fabianski! Just won the f.a cup and is a free agent![/p][/quote]GONE TO SWAN'S ALBION TO TO TO LATE AGAIN tinker111
  • Score: -3

12:43pm Thu 29 May 14

tinker111 says...

Sussex J wrote:
This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows;

Tim Sherwood 2/1
Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7

Chris Hughton 9/4
Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?)

Paul Clement 3/1
Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club

Neil Lennon 10/1
Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic)

Glen Hoddle 12/1
Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention.

Michael Appleton 16/1
Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer

Nathan Jones 16/1
Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him.

Ralf Rangnick 16/1
Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg

Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as
Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour)
Zola 33/1
Martin O'Neill 33/1
Neil Warncok 33/1
Steve Clarke 33/1
Curbishley 40/1
Eddie Howe 40/1
Malky Mackay 40/1
Laudrup 40/1
Freedman 50/1
Brian McDermott 66/1
Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1
ONLY NJ would lower himself to work under current system
[quote][p][bold]Sussex J[/bold] wrote: This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows; Tim Sherwood 2/1 Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7 Chris Hughton 9/4 Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?) Paul Clement 3/1 Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club Neil Lennon 10/1 Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic) Glen Hoddle 12/1 Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention. Michael Appleton 16/1 Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer Nathan Jones 16/1 Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him. Ralf Rangnick 16/1 Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour) Zola 33/1 Martin O'Neill 33/1 Neil Warncok 33/1 Steve Clarke 33/1 Curbishley 40/1 Eddie Howe 40/1 Malky Mackay 40/1 Laudrup 40/1 Freedman 50/1 Brian McDermott 66/1 Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1[/p][/quote]ONLY NJ would lower himself to work under current system tinker111
  • Score: 1

12:49pm Thu 29 May 14

pjwilk says...

rolivan wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Sussex J wrote:
This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows;

Tim Sherwood 2/1
Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7

Chris Hughton 9/4
Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?)

Paul Clement 3/1
Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club

Neil Lennon 10/1
Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic)

Glen Hoddle 12/1
Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention.

Michael Appleton 16/1
Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer

Nathan Jones 16/1
Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him.

Ralf Rangnick 16/1
Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg

Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as
Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour)
Zola 33/1
Martin O'Neill 33/1
Neil Warncok 33/1
Steve Clarke 33/1
Curbishley 40/1
Eddie Howe 40/1
Malky Mackay 40/1
Laudrup 40/1
Freedman 50/1
Brian McDermott 66/1
Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1
With Gary Neville still uncertain about his future at Man United, I wouldn't completely rule him out, but I would admit it's an unlikely appointment. I would think Neville's best chance would be if Hoddle got the job and looked to him as his assistant.
Surely you mean Phil as Gary Neville is a Sky pundit and doing it very well. Having said that Gary would probably make a good manager but I cannot see that happening.
Not only that but he is part of the England setup,which would mean he wouldn't be available until after the World Cup.
Wont be any of this lot.You can forget the Neville bros they would be vastly unpopular,no experience of management.As for Hoddle,he is a joke.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex J[/bold] wrote: This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows; Tim Sherwood 2/1 Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7 Chris Hughton 9/4 Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?) Paul Clement 3/1 Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club Neil Lennon 10/1 Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic) Glen Hoddle 12/1 Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention. Michael Appleton 16/1 Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer Nathan Jones 16/1 Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him. Ralf Rangnick 16/1 Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour) Zola 33/1 Martin O'Neill 33/1 Neil Warncok 33/1 Steve Clarke 33/1 Curbishley 40/1 Eddie Howe 40/1 Malky Mackay 40/1 Laudrup 40/1 Freedman 50/1 Brian McDermott 66/1 Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1[/p][/quote]With Gary Neville still uncertain about his future at Man United, I wouldn't completely rule him out, but I would admit it's an unlikely appointment. I would think Neville's best chance would be if Hoddle got the job and looked to him as his assistant.[/p][/quote]Surely you mean Phil as Gary Neville is a Sky pundit and doing it very well. Having said that Gary would probably make a good manager but I cannot see that happening.[/p][/quote]Not only that but he is part of the England setup,which would mean he wouldn't be available until after the World Cup.[/p][/quote]Wont be any of this lot.You can forget the Neville bros they would be vastly unpopular,no experience of management.As for Hoddle,he is a joke. pjwilk
  • Score: -5

12:53pm Thu 29 May 14

tinker111 says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
Sunderland have just released Keiren Westwood RoI goalkeeper.
Your move Mr Burke. UTA
Keep the Burk EEE out of it total US
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: Sunderland have just released Keiren Westwood RoI goalkeeper. Your move Mr Burke. UTA[/p][/quote]Keep the Burk EEE out of it total US tinker111
  • Score: -1

12:59pm Thu 29 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

pjwilk wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Sussex J wrote:
This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows;

Tim Sherwood 2/1
Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7

Chris Hughton 9/4
Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?)

Paul Clement 3/1
Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club

Neil Lennon 10/1
Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic)

Glen Hoddle 12/1
Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention.

Michael Appleton 16/1
Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer

Nathan Jones 16/1
Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him.

Ralf Rangnick 16/1
Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg

Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as
Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour)
Zola 33/1
Martin O'Neill 33/1
Neil Warncok 33/1
Steve Clarke 33/1
Curbishley 40/1
Eddie Howe 40/1
Malky Mackay 40/1
Laudrup 40/1
Freedman 50/1
Brian McDermott 66/1
Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1
With Gary Neville still uncertain about his future at Man United, I wouldn't completely rule him out, but I would admit it's an unlikely appointment. I would think Neville's best chance would be if Hoddle got the job and looked to him as his assistant.
Surely you mean Phil as Gary Neville is a Sky pundit and doing it very well. Having said that Gary would probably make a good manager but I cannot see that happening.
Not only that but he is part of the England setup,which would mean he wouldn't be available until after the World Cup.
Wont be any of this lot.You can forget the Neville bros they would be vastly unpopular,no experience of management.As for Hoddle,he is a joke.
Hoddle a joke in what way? His unusual religious beliefs or his football/management ability?
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex J[/bold] wrote: This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows; Tim Sherwood 2/1 Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7 Chris Hughton 9/4 Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?) Paul Clement 3/1 Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club Neil Lennon 10/1 Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic) Glen Hoddle 12/1 Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention. Michael Appleton 16/1 Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer Nathan Jones 16/1 Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him. Ralf Rangnick 16/1 Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour) Zola 33/1 Martin O'Neill 33/1 Neil Warncok 33/1 Steve Clarke 33/1 Curbishley 40/1 Eddie Howe 40/1 Malky Mackay 40/1 Laudrup 40/1 Freedman 50/1 Brian McDermott 66/1 Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1[/p][/quote]With Gary Neville still uncertain about his future at Man United, I wouldn't completely rule him out, but I would admit it's an unlikely appointment. I would think Neville's best chance would be if Hoddle got the job and looked to him as his assistant.[/p][/quote]Surely you mean Phil as Gary Neville is a Sky pundit and doing it very well. Having said that Gary would probably make a good manager but I cannot see that happening.[/p][/quote]Not only that but he is part of the England setup,which would mean he wouldn't be available until after the World Cup.[/p][/quote]Wont be any of this lot.You can forget the Neville bros they would be vastly unpopular,no experience of management.As for Hoddle,he is a joke.[/p][/quote]Hoddle a joke in what way? His unusual religious beliefs or his football/management ability? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -4

1:08pm Thu 29 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

It is reported that Leicester are preparinga fourth bid for Leo, thought to be about four million, it is also reported that the club are looking for seven million or closer to ten. I have my doubts about how much the club is looking for, it seems to me that the reported seven million or more is way off target.

If we accept that the suits at Leicester are not stupid, why would they even bother offering around four million if they know that the club want seven to ten million. Yes I can see the advantage of letting Ulloa know they want him, dangle the carrot and hope that he helps them in their quest, well that was done when they offered three million.

When a player has a decent price tag on his head and a suitor comes calling the parent club, quite often, make a public statement, 'he is not for sale,' or 'we would not entertain bids below X,' but Brighton have said nothing, so where did this figure of seven million come from, is it even real.

As I said, the suits at Leicester are not stupid, there must be a reason for them to only get their bid up to four million after three failed lower bids. If Brighton have told Leicester, bids below seven million will not cut it, then they would waste their time offering four. It's beggining to look like this seven million figure is a figment of someone's imagination, perhaps five million gets the deal done.
It is reported that Leicester are preparinga fourth bid for Leo, thought to be about four million, it is also reported that the club are looking for seven million or closer to ten. I have my doubts about how much the club is looking for, it seems to me that the reported seven million or more is way off target. If we accept that the suits at Leicester are not stupid, why would they even bother offering around four million if they know that the club want seven to ten million. Yes I can see the advantage of letting Ulloa know they want him, dangle the carrot and hope that he helps them in their quest, well that was done when they offered three million. When a player has a decent price tag on his head and a suitor comes calling the parent club, quite often, make a public statement, 'he is not for sale,' or 'we would not entertain bids below X,' but Brighton have said nothing, so where did this figure of seven million come from, is it even real. As I said, the suits at Leicester are not stupid, there must be a reason for them to only get their bid up to four million after three failed lower bids. If Brighton have told Leicester, bids below seven million will not cut it, then they would waste their time offering four. It's beggining to look like this seven million figure is a figment of someone's imagination, perhaps five million gets the deal done. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -6

1:32pm Thu 29 May 14

rolivan says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
It is reported that Leicester are preparinga fourth bid for Leo, thought to be about four million, it is also reported that the club are looking for seven million or closer to ten. I have my doubts about how much the club is looking for, it seems to me that the reported seven million or more is way off target.

If we accept that the suits at Leicester are not stupid, why would they even bother offering around four million if they know that the club want seven to ten million. Yes I can see the advantage of letting Ulloa know they want him, dangle the carrot and hope that he helps them in their quest, well that was done when they offered three million.

When a player has a decent price tag on his head and a suitor comes calling the parent club, quite often, make a public statement, 'he is not for sale,' or 'we would not entertain bids below X,' but Brighton have said nothing, so where did this figure of seven million come from, is it even real.

As I said, the suits at Leicester are not stupid, there must be a reason for them to only get their bid up to four million after three failed lower bids. If Brighton have told Leicester, bids below seven million will not cut it, then they would waste their time offering four. It's beggining to look like this seven million figure is a figment of someone's imagination, perhaps five million gets the deal done.
How do you know they are wearing "suits".
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: It is reported that Leicester are preparinga fourth bid for Leo, thought to be about four million, it is also reported that the club are looking for seven million or closer to ten. I have my doubts about how much the club is looking for, it seems to me that the reported seven million or more is way off target. If we accept that the suits at Leicester are not stupid, why would they even bother offering around four million if they know that the club want seven to ten million. Yes I can see the advantage of letting Ulloa know they want him, dangle the carrot and hope that he helps them in their quest, well that was done when they offered three million. When a player has a decent price tag on his head and a suitor comes calling the parent club, quite often, make a public statement, 'he is not for sale,' or 'we would not entertain bids below X,' but Brighton have said nothing, so where did this figure of seven million come from, is it even real. As I said, the suits at Leicester are not stupid, there must be a reason for them to only get their bid up to four million after three failed lower bids. If Brighton have told Leicester, bids below seven million will not cut it, then they would waste their time offering four. It's beggining to look like this seven million figure is a figment of someone's imagination, perhaps five million gets the deal done.[/p][/quote]How do you know they are wearing "suits". rolivan
  • Score: 1

1:53pm Thu 29 May 14

Bushell17 says...

As I have mentioned before PLEASE not Neil Lennon anyone else but him ! He has proved nothing in Scotland as there is nothing to beat !
On the comment about Shay Given for say two years while Walton comes on to become our Number 1 when Shay retires - Good shout !
As I have mentioned before PLEASE not Neil Lennon anyone else but him ! He has proved nothing in Scotland as there is nothing to beat ! On the comment about Shay Given for say two years while Walton comes on to become our Number 1 when Shay retires - Good shout ! Bushell17
  • Score: -2

2:01pm Thu 29 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Bushell17 wrote:
As I have mentioned before PLEASE not Neil Lennon anyone else but him ! He has proved nothing in Scotland as there is nothing to beat !
On the comment about Shay Given for say two years while Walton comes on to become our Number 1 when Shay retires - Good shout !
Celtic did play in Europe, remember, and did okay against the giants.
[quote][p][bold]Bushell17[/bold] wrote: As I have mentioned before PLEASE not Neil Lennon anyone else but him ! He has proved nothing in Scotland as there is nothing to beat ! On the comment about Shay Given for say two years while Walton comes on to become our Number 1 when Shay retires - Good shout ![/p][/quote]Celtic did play in Europe, remember, and did okay against the giants. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

2:16pm Thu 29 May 14

marcotardelli says...

Does anyone else out there think we are poorly served by the Argus? This latest offering just about sums them up. "Keep on the ball on The Argus website with all the summer speculation and gossip surrounding Albion."
The piece then proceeds to repeat information/speculat
ion from another source. Now it may not be accurate but obviously the Argus thinks both the items on the potential new French manager and Ulloa's future are worth repeating. But it's always thus. Can anyone remember the last time the Argus actually broke an Albion story or at least gave us an insight into what's happening at the club rather than lazily repeating the journalism of a third party? I think we must be one of the most poorly served group of fans in the country when it comes to local paper input. Most other professional clubs in the country are reported on assiduously by their respective newspapers. Most have a reporter with an ear to the ground to give their readers a steer on events be it potential transfers, manager short lists or behind the scene organisation. The Argus appears not to have heard of investigative journalism or even have a idea about asking the tough questions. All we ever get are non-stories, often repeated, straight pieces stating the ble*ding obvious, or worse still pallid questions to the fans asking them what they think.
No one's looking for half-baked speculation and manufactured controversy but it would be pleasing once in a while for the Argus to give us an original informed insight in to what's actually happening at the club
rather than re heating information from the national press.
Are they worried that if they start their digging they'll have their reporting rights withdrawn by the club. Now that would be a story.
Does anyone else out there think we are poorly served by the Argus? This latest offering just about sums them up. "Keep on the ball on The Argus website with all the summer speculation and gossip surrounding Albion." The piece then proceeds to repeat information/speculat ion from another source. Now it may not be accurate but obviously the Argus thinks both the items on the potential new French manager and Ulloa's future are worth repeating. But it's always thus. Can anyone remember the last time the Argus actually broke an Albion story or at least gave us an insight into what's happening at the club rather than lazily repeating the journalism of a third party? I think we must be one of the most poorly served group of fans in the country when it comes to local paper input. Most other professional clubs in the country are reported on assiduously by their respective newspapers. Most have a reporter with an ear to the ground to give their readers a steer on events be it potential transfers, manager short lists or behind the scene organisation. The Argus appears not to have heard of investigative journalism or even have a idea about asking the tough questions. All we ever get are non-stories, often repeated, straight pieces stating the ble*ding obvious, or worse still pallid questions to the fans asking them what they think. No one's looking for half-baked speculation and manufactured controversy but it would be pleasing once in a while for the Argus to give us an original informed insight in to what's actually happening at the club rather than re heating information from the national press. Are they worried that if they start their digging they'll have their reporting rights withdrawn by the club. Now that would be a story. marcotardelli
  • Score: 2

2:18pm Thu 29 May 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

Hughton,Sherwood and Phil Neville are also high on their list!
Hughton,Sherwood and Phil Neville are also high on their list! SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: -5

2:24pm Thu 29 May 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

Mail also reports today that the club are pursuing Stephen Ward. Hoorah if true and about time!
Mail also reports today that the club are pursuing Stephen Ward. Hoorah if true and about time! SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 0

2:34pm Thu 29 May 14

Mark Dixon says...

l have supported the Albion for many many years now but the last few have been the most frustrating l can remember.

To me a team starts with the manager/first team coach, intern they decide who they want in the team as they are the experts on the kind of players they want.

What experience does the board have in deciding the players the Albion need??
l have supported the Albion for many many years now but the last few have been the most frustrating l can remember. To me a team starts with the manager/first team coach, intern they decide who they want in the team as they are the experts on the kind of players they want. What experience does the board have in deciding the players the Albion need?? Mark Dixon
  • Score: 3

2:36pm Thu 29 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Mark Dixon wrote:
l have supported the Albion for many many years now but the last few have been the most frustrating l can remember.

To me a team starts with the manager/first team coach, intern they decide who they want in the team as they are the experts on the kind of players they want.

What experience does the board have in deciding the players the Albion need??
I literally cannot believe people are still asking this question.
[quote][p][bold]Mark Dixon[/bold] wrote: l have supported the Albion for many many years now but the last few have been the most frustrating l can remember. To me a team starts with the manager/first team coach, intern they decide who they want in the team as they are the experts on the kind of players they want. What experience does the board have in deciding the players the Albion need??[/p][/quote]I literally cannot believe people are still asking this question. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -3

2:40pm Thu 29 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Standing up a little bit for the Argus here.

I am not sure how the Argus can report what it is not being told, and we have no idea as to whether or not they are asking questions, my guess is that they are, but their questions are being rebuffed.
Brighton are very good at playing their hand tight to the chest, this is not the first time Brighton have put up the shutters. The national press are not printing solid news re Brighton, not even when they say that Leicester are preparing a new bid for Ulloa, didn't we all know that would happen. The same reporters tell of how Brihton are, 'thought,' to want nearer ten million for Ulloa, there are no facts in a thought, they are not quoting Brighton or Leicester re the price.

I am sure that Andy or Brian could come up with a whole buncht of unsubstantiated snippets, pretty much the same as the nationals, but how would that serve us. A national reports that we are interested in signing Ward, wow, now their's a revelation. I'll wait for the factual info, there are enough stories to read based on speculation.
Standing up a little bit for the Argus here. I am not sure how the Argus can report what it is not being told, and we have no idea as to whether or not they are asking questions, my guess is that they are, but their questions are being rebuffed. Brighton are very good at playing their hand tight to the chest, this is not the first time Brighton have put up the shutters. The national press are not printing solid news re Brighton, not even when they say that Leicester are preparing a new bid for Ulloa, didn't we all know that would happen. The same reporters tell of how Brihton are, 'thought,' to want nearer ten million for Ulloa, there are no facts in a thought, they are not quoting Brighton or Leicester re the price. I am sure that Andy or Brian could come up with a whole buncht of unsubstantiated snippets, pretty much the same as the nationals, but how would that serve us. A national reports that we are interested in signing Ward, wow, now their's a revelation. I'll wait for the factual info, there are enough stories to read based on speculation. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

2:52pm Thu 29 May 14

marcotardelli says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Standing up a little bit for the Argus here.

I am not sure how the Argus can report what it is not being told, and we have no idea as to whether or not they are asking questions, my guess is that they are, but their questions are being rebuffed.
Brighton are very good at playing their hand tight to the chest, this is not the first time Brighton have put up the shutters. The national press are not printing solid news re Brighton, not even when they say that Leicester are preparing a new bid for Ulloa, didn't we all know that would happen. The same reporters tell of how Brihton are, 'thought,' to want nearer ten million for Ulloa, there are no facts in a thought, they are not quoting Brighton or Leicester re the price.

I am sure that Andy or Brian could come up with a whole buncht of unsubstantiated snippets, pretty much the same as the nationals, but how would that serve us. A national reports that we are interested in signing Ward, wow, now their's a revelation. I'll wait for the factual info, there are enough stories to read based on speculation.
I think you might have been away from these shores for too long. I said quite clearly that I am not interested in half-baked stories or snippets but would appreciate an occasional story obtained by good journalism. If you have the inclination, take a look online at the sports pages of quality regional newspapers here and you'll find that their sports' team are breaking insightful news. The reason? They have well informed and cultivated sources. I do not mean tittle tattle, rumour and speculation I mean genuine exclusives based on hard research.
They also go to press conferences armed with the sort of questions the fans would like to ask'; acting, if you like, as the fans' representative.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Standing up a little bit for the Argus here. I am not sure how the Argus can report what it is not being told, and we have no idea as to whether or not they are asking questions, my guess is that they are, but their questions are being rebuffed. Brighton are very good at playing their hand tight to the chest, this is not the first time Brighton have put up the shutters. The national press are not printing solid news re Brighton, not even when they say that Leicester are preparing a new bid for Ulloa, didn't we all know that would happen. The same reporters tell of how Brihton are, 'thought,' to want nearer ten million for Ulloa, there are no facts in a thought, they are not quoting Brighton or Leicester re the price. I am sure that Andy or Brian could come up with a whole buncht of unsubstantiated snippets, pretty much the same as the nationals, but how would that serve us. A national reports that we are interested in signing Ward, wow, now their's a revelation. I'll wait for the factual info, there are enough stories to read based on speculation.[/p][/quote]I think you might have been away from these shores for too long. I said quite clearly that I am not interested in half-baked stories or snippets but would appreciate an occasional story obtained by good journalism. If you have the inclination, take a look online at the sports pages of quality regional newspapers here and you'll find that their sports' team are breaking insightful news. The reason? They have well informed and cultivated sources. I do not mean tittle tattle, rumour and speculation I mean genuine exclusives based on hard research. They also go to press conferences armed with the sort of questions the fans would like to ask'; acting, if you like, as the fans' representative. marcotardelli
  • Score: 12

2:53pm Thu 29 May 14

pjwilk says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Sussex J wrote:
This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows;

Tim Sherwood 2/1
Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7

Chris Hughton 9/4
Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?)

Paul Clement 3/1
Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club

Neil Lennon 10/1
Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic)

Glen Hoddle 12/1
Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention.

Michael Appleton 16/1
Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer

Nathan Jones 16/1
Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him.

Ralf Rangnick 16/1
Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg

Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as
Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour)
Zola 33/1
Martin O'Neill 33/1
Neil Warncok 33/1
Steve Clarke 33/1
Curbishley 40/1
Eddie Howe 40/1
Malky Mackay 40/1
Laudrup 40/1
Freedman 50/1
Brian McDermott 66/1
Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1
With Gary Neville still uncertain about his future at Man United, I wouldn't completely rule him out, but I would admit it's an unlikely appointment. I would think Neville's best chance would be if Hoddle got the job and looked to him as his assistant.
Surely you mean Phil as Gary Neville is a Sky pundit and doing it very well. Having said that Gary would probably make a good manager but I cannot see that happening.
Not only that but he is part of the England setup,which would mean he wouldn't be available until after the World Cup.
Wont be any of this lot.You can forget the Neville bros they would be vastly unpopular,no experience of management.As for Hoddle,he is a joke.
Hoddle a joke in what way? His unusual religious beliefs or his football/management ability?
Not achieved anything much,alongside Neville as a boring pundit ,they both make out they are experts,they just woffle a lot of hot air.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex J[/bold] wrote: This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows; Tim Sherwood 2/1 Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7 Chris Hughton 9/4 Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?) Paul Clement 3/1 Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club Neil Lennon 10/1 Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic) Glen Hoddle 12/1 Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention. Michael Appleton 16/1 Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer Nathan Jones 16/1 Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him. Ralf Rangnick 16/1 Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour) Zola 33/1 Martin O'Neill 33/1 Neil Warncok 33/1 Steve Clarke 33/1 Curbishley 40/1 Eddie Howe 40/1 Malky Mackay 40/1 Laudrup 40/1 Freedman 50/1 Brian McDermott 66/1 Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1[/p][/quote]With Gary Neville still uncertain about his future at Man United, I wouldn't completely rule him out, but I would admit it's an unlikely appointment. I would think Neville's best chance would be if Hoddle got the job and looked to him as his assistant.[/p][/quote]Surely you mean Phil as Gary Neville is a Sky pundit and doing it very well. Having said that Gary would probably make a good manager but I cannot see that happening.[/p][/quote]Not only that but he is part of the England setup,which would mean he wouldn't be available until after the World Cup.[/p][/quote]Wont be any of this lot.You can forget the Neville bros they would be vastly unpopular,no experience of management.As for Hoddle,he is a joke.[/p][/quote]Hoddle a joke in what way? His unusual religious beliefs or his football/management ability?[/p][/quote]Not achieved anything much,alongside Neville as a boring pundit ,they both make out they are experts,they just woffle a lot of hot air. pjwilk
  • Score: -2

3:11pm Thu 29 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Marco like you I would like more accurate info but if the club isn't talking, and it seems they are not, what can jounos do about that. Even the big papers with their better situated connections to all clubs, can't give us anything on the goings on at Brighton. When it comes to a news blackout Brighton are very good at it.
Marco like you I would like more accurate info but if the club isn't talking, and it seems they are not, what can jounos do about that. Even the big papers with their better situated connections to all clubs, can't give us anything on the goings on at Brighton. When it comes to a news blackout Brighton are very good at it. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

3:17pm Thu 29 May 14

peterpan32 says...

Its getting boring now. No new news, recycled articles. Might try and start a Mexican wave. You know things are boring when they most excitement you get is standing up waving your arm. Get ward back, get a manager and all is back on track. World cup on soon, so id be surprised if much gets done during it. Then its time for pre season and we will struggle to field a team.
Its getting boring now. No new news, recycled articles. Might try and start a Mexican wave. You know things are boring when they most excitement you get is standing up waving your arm. Get ward back, get a manager and all is back on track. World cup on soon, so id be surprised if much gets done during it. Then its time for pre season and we will struggle to field a team. peterpan32
  • Score: 1

3:19pm Thu 29 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
bhafc11 wrote:
For the keeper, we could do worse than lucasz Fabianski! Just won the f.a cup and is a free agent!
He's gone to Swansea, we dithered and missed out.
Even if we had not dithered do you really think he would have come to us when PL clubs are about, especially as we seem to be constricted by FFP.
UTA
FFP is half the problem that's stopping us getting players in, the other half is that we still have no manager weeks after Oscar walked. This is what I mean by dithering.
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhafc11[/bold] wrote: For the keeper, we could do worse than lucasz Fabianski! Just won the f.a cup and is a free agent![/p][/quote]He's gone to Swansea, we dithered and missed out.[/p][/quote]Even if we had not dithered do you really think he would have come to us when PL clubs are about, especially as we seem to be constricted by FFP. UTA[/p][/quote]FFP is half the problem that's stopping us getting players in, the other half is that we still have no manager weeks after Oscar walked. This is what I mean by dithering. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 1

3:20pm Thu 29 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

marcotardelli wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Standing up a little bit for the Argus here.

I am not sure how the Argus can report what it is not being told, and we have no idea as to whether or not they are asking questions, my guess is that they are, but their questions are being rebuffed.
Brighton are very good at playing their hand tight to the chest, this is not the first time Brighton have put up the shutters. The national press are not printing solid news re Brighton, not even when they say that Leicester are preparing a new bid for Ulloa, didn't we all know that would happen. The same reporters tell of how Brihton are, 'thought,' to want nearer ten million for Ulloa, there are no facts in a thought, they are not quoting Brighton or Leicester re the price.

I am sure that Andy or Brian could come up with a whole buncht of unsubstantiated snippets, pretty much the same as the nationals, but how would that serve us. A national reports that we are interested in signing Ward, wow, now their's a revelation. I'll wait for the factual info, there are enough stories to read based on speculation.
I think you might have been away from these shores for too long. I said quite clearly that I am not interested in half-baked stories or snippets but would appreciate an occasional story obtained by good journalism. If you have the inclination, take a look online at the sports pages of quality regional newspapers here and you'll find that their sports' team are breaking insightful news. The reason? They have well informed and cultivated sources. I do not mean tittle tattle, rumour and speculation I mean genuine exclusives based on hard research.
They also go to press conferences armed with the sort of questions the fans would like to ask'; acting, if you like, as the fans' representative.
Even the best of the newspapers struggle to get 35% accuracy on transfers, new appointments and such like. The hack tabloids barely reach 10%.
[quote][p][bold]marcotardelli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Standing up a little bit for the Argus here. I am not sure how the Argus can report what it is not being told, and we have no idea as to whether or not they are asking questions, my guess is that they are, but their questions are being rebuffed. Brighton are very good at playing their hand tight to the chest, this is not the first time Brighton have put up the shutters. The national press are not printing solid news re Brighton, not even when they say that Leicester are preparing a new bid for Ulloa, didn't we all know that would happen. The same reporters tell of how Brihton are, 'thought,' to want nearer ten million for Ulloa, there are no facts in a thought, they are not quoting Brighton or Leicester re the price. I am sure that Andy or Brian could come up with a whole buncht of unsubstantiated snippets, pretty much the same as the nationals, but how would that serve us. A national reports that we are interested in signing Ward, wow, now their's a revelation. I'll wait for the factual info, there are enough stories to read based on speculation.[/p][/quote]I think you might have been away from these shores for too long. I said quite clearly that I am not interested in half-baked stories or snippets but would appreciate an occasional story obtained by good journalism. If you have the inclination, take a look online at the sports pages of quality regional newspapers here and you'll find that their sports' team are breaking insightful news. The reason? They have well informed and cultivated sources. I do not mean tittle tattle, rumour and speculation I mean genuine exclusives based on hard research. They also go to press conferences armed with the sort of questions the fans would like to ask'; acting, if you like, as the fans' representative.[/p][/quote]Even the best of the newspapers struggle to get 35% accuracy on transfers, new appointments and such like. The hack tabloids barely reach 10%. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

3:23pm Thu 29 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

pjwilk wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Sussex J wrote:
This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows;

Tim Sherwood 2/1
Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7

Chris Hughton 9/4
Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?)

Paul Clement 3/1
Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club

Neil Lennon 10/1
Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic)

Glen Hoddle 12/1
Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention.

Michael Appleton 16/1
Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer

Nathan Jones 16/1
Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him.

Ralf Rangnick 16/1
Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg

Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as
Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour)
Zola 33/1
Martin O'Neill 33/1
Neil Warncok 33/1
Steve Clarke 33/1
Curbishley 40/1
Eddie Howe 40/1
Malky Mackay 40/1
Laudrup 40/1
Freedman 50/1
Brian McDermott 66/1
Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1
With Gary Neville still uncertain about his future at Man United, I wouldn't completely rule him out, but I would admit it's an unlikely appointment. I would think Neville's best chance would be if Hoddle got the job and looked to him as his assistant.
Surely you mean Phil as Gary Neville is a Sky pundit and doing it very well. Having said that Gary would probably make a good manager but I cannot see that happening.
Not only that but he is part of the England setup,which would mean he wouldn't be available until after the World Cup.
Wont be any of this lot.You can forget the Neville bros they would be vastly unpopular,no experience of management.As for Hoddle,he is a joke.
Hoddle a joke in what way? His unusual religious beliefs or his football/management ability?
Not achieved anything much,alongside Neville as a boring pundit ,they both make out they are experts,they just woffle a lot of hot air.
So an ex-England manager is "a joke" because he hasn't achieved anything? Other than managing several teams in the top flight and becoming England Manager (with whom he had a 60+% win rate)?
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex J[/bold] wrote: This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows; Tim Sherwood 2/1 Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7 Chris Hughton 9/4 Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?) Paul Clement 3/1 Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club Neil Lennon 10/1 Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic) Glen Hoddle 12/1 Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention. Michael Appleton 16/1 Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer Nathan Jones 16/1 Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him. Ralf Rangnick 16/1 Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour) Zola 33/1 Martin O'Neill 33/1 Neil Warncok 33/1 Steve Clarke 33/1 Curbishley 40/1 Eddie Howe 40/1 Malky Mackay 40/1 Laudrup 40/1 Freedman 50/1 Brian McDermott 66/1 Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1[/p][/quote]With Gary Neville still uncertain about his future at Man United, I wouldn't completely rule him out, but I would admit it's an unlikely appointment. I would think Neville's best chance would be if Hoddle got the job and looked to him as his assistant.[/p][/quote]Surely you mean Phil as Gary Neville is a Sky pundit and doing it very well. Having said that Gary would probably make a good manager but I cannot see that happening.[/p][/quote]Not only that but he is part of the England setup,which would mean he wouldn't be available until after the World Cup.[/p][/quote]Wont be any of this lot.You can forget the Neville bros they would be vastly unpopular,no experience of management.As for Hoddle,he is a joke.[/p][/quote]Hoddle a joke in what way? His unusual religious beliefs or his football/management ability?[/p][/quote]Not achieved anything much,alongside Neville as a boring pundit ,they both make out they are experts,they just woffle a lot of hot air.[/p][/quote]So an ex-England manager is "a joke" because he hasn't achieved anything? Other than managing several teams in the top flight and becoming England Manager (with whom he had a 60+% win rate)? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

3:47pm Thu 29 May 14

mikeygit says...

AS many of us on here--Vegas & Co--have said and know--all the comments are pure speculation, many like a flutter on the horses and this is no more than that. The eventual manager may well surprise us all, but whoever he turns out to be I hope the Board have got it right, only time will tell. I feel it is good that BHA HAVE put the shutters up on any news, until they have something rock solid to tell us. It does show they are professional and do not want rumours and gossip to spread. As to those who say what are they doing?? I guess a LOT IS going on behind the scenes. I am sure they are not just drinking tea and coffee all day. I am as curious and somewhat frustrated at no news as others but that is how it is at the moment. I share the opinions that I hope things are sorted pretty quick now as the longer it goes on the less time for preparation for the new season.
AS many of us on here--Vegas & Co--have said and know--all the comments are pure speculation, many like a flutter on the horses and this is no more than that. The eventual manager may well surprise us all, but whoever he turns out to be I hope the Board have got it right, only time will tell. I feel it is good that BHA HAVE put the shutters up on any news, until they have something rock solid to tell us. It does show they are professional and do not want rumours and gossip to spread. As to those who say what are they doing?? I guess a LOT IS going on behind the scenes. I am sure they are not just drinking tea and coffee all day. I am as curious and somewhat frustrated at no news as others but that is how it is at the moment. I share the opinions that I hope things are sorted pretty quick now as the longer it goes on the less time for preparation for the new season. mikeygit
  • Score: 3

4:31pm Thu 29 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

One on one interviews have been going on between Brighton and those on the short list, we know that, the club said so.
If the short list contains maybe 5 names one would expect that those interviews could be completed by now.
A couple of days to mull things over, and we get a new manager announced over the weekend. Then the real fun starts.
One on one interviews have been going on between Brighton and those on the short list, we know that, the club said so. If the short list contains maybe 5 names one would expect that those interviews could be completed by now. A couple of days to mull things over, and we get a new manager announced over the weekend. Then the real fun starts. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

4:36pm Thu 29 May 14

dave from bexill says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
One on one interviews have been going on between Brighton and those on the short list, we know that, the club said so.
If the short list contains maybe 5 names one would expect that those interviews could be completed by now.
A couple of days to mull things over, and we get a new manager announced over the weekend. Then the real fun starts.
I hope you're right Vegas, as the suspense is killing me. However, I do wonder whether the Southampton situation has muddied the waters somewhat.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: One on one interviews have been going on between Brighton and those on the short list, we know that, the club said so. If the short list contains maybe 5 names one would expect that those interviews could be completed by now. A couple of days to mull things over, and we get a new manager announced over the weekend. Then the real fun starts.[/p][/quote]I hope you're right Vegas, as the suspense is killing me. However, I do wonder whether the Southampton situation has muddied the waters somewhat. dave from bexill
  • Score: 0

4:44pm Thu 29 May 14

bbb1969 says...

bhafc11 wrote:
For the keeper, we could do worse than lucasz Fabianski! Just won the f.a cup and is a free agent!
i think he has just signed for someone
[quote][p][bold]bhafc11[/bold] wrote: For the keeper, we could do worse than lucasz Fabianski! Just won the f.a cup and is a free agent![/p][/quote]i think he has just signed for someone bbb1969
  • Score: 0

4:46pm Thu 29 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

dave from bexill wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
One on one interviews have been going on between Brighton and those on the short list, we know that, the club said so.
If the short list contains maybe 5 names one would expect that those interviews could be completed by now.
A couple of days to mull things over, and we get a new manager announced over the weekend. Then the real fun starts.
I hope you're right Vegas, as the suspense is killing me. However, I do wonder whether the Southampton situation has muddied the waters somewhat.
Hi Dave, yeah I think there are outside factors affecting our selection process, and on the face of it that should increase the chances of Garde getting the job.
The club want to resolve this issue pronto and with some of the names being linked to other clubs, thier (the candidates) heel draggng might push Bloom to act rather than delay matters.
If any applicants are waiting on other bigger clubs to make decisions, then perhaps they are not the right people for Brighton, we don't want to be second choice to anyone.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: One on one interviews have been going on between Brighton and those on the short list, we know that, the club said so. If the short list contains maybe 5 names one would expect that those interviews could be completed by now. A couple of days to mull things over, and we get a new manager announced over the weekend. Then the real fun starts.[/p][/quote]I hope you're right Vegas, as the suspense is killing me. However, I do wonder whether the Southampton situation has muddied the waters somewhat.[/p][/quote]Hi Dave, yeah I think there are outside factors affecting our selection process, and on the face of it that should increase the chances of Garde getting the job. The club want to resolve this issue pronto and with some of the names being linked to other clubs, thier (the candidates) heel draggng might push Bloom to act rather than delay matters. If any applicants are waiting on other bigger clubs to make decisions, then perhaps they are not the right people for Brighton, we don't want to be second choice to anyone. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

5:14pm Thu 29 May 14

Conelli98 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
One on one interviews have been going on between Brighton and those on the short list, we know that, the club said so.
If the short list contains maybe 5 names one would expect that those interviews could be completed by now.
A couple of days to mull things over, and we get a new manager announced over the weekend. Then the real fun starts.
I hope you're right Vegas, as the suspense is killing me. However, I do wonder whether the Southampton situation has muddied the waters somewhat.
Hi Dave, yeah I think there are outside factors affecting our selection process, and on the face of it that should increase the chances of Garde getting the job.
The club want to resolve this issue pronto and with some of the names being linked to other clubs, thier (the candidates) heel draggng might push Bloom to act rather than delay matters.
If any applicants are waiting on other bigger clubs to make decisions, then perhaps they are not the right people for Brighton, we don't want to be second choice to anyone.
Southampton Daily Echo are reporting that the club have sounded out Oscar so I can't see their situation having any effect on ours!
Today the bookies have Steve Clarke as 5/4 favourite! Would like Sherwood personally especially if he was allowed to bring big Les and old boy Ramsey as his assistants!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: One on one interviews have been going on between Brighton and those on the short list, we know that, the club said so. If the short list contains maybe 5 names one would expect that those interviews could be completed by now. A couple of days to mull things over, and we get a new manager announced over the weekend. Then the real fun starts.[/p][/quote]I hope you're right Vegas, as the suspense is killing me. However, I do wonder whether the Southampton situation has muddied the waters somewhat.[/p][/quote]Hi Dave, yeah I think there are outside factors affecting our selection process, and on the face of it that should increase the chances of Garde getting the job. The club want to resolve this issue pronto and with some of the names being linked to other clubs, thier (the candidates) heel draggng might push Bloom to act rather than delay matters. If any applicants are waiting on other bigger clubs to make decisions, then perhaps they are not the right people for Brighton, we don't want to be second choice to anyone.[/p][/quote]Southampton Daily Echo are reporting that the club have sounded out Oscar so I can't see their situation having any effect on ours! Today the bookies have Steve Clarke as 5/4 favourite! Would like Sherwood personally especially if he was allowed to bring big Les and old boy Ramsey as his assistants! Conelli98
  • Score: 3

5:52pm Thu 29 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

marcotardelli wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Standing up a little bit for the Argus here.

I am not sure how the Argus can report what it is not being told, and we have no idea as to whether or not they are asking questions, my guess is that they are, but their questions are being rebuffed.
Brighton are very good at playing their hand tight to the chest, this is not the first time Brighton have put up the shutters. The national press are not printing solid news re Brighton, not even when they say that Leicester are preparing a new bid for Ulloa, didn't we all know that would happen. The same reporters tell of how Brihton are, 'thought,' to want nearer ten million for Ulloa, there are no facts in a thought, they are not quoting Brighton or Leicester re the price.

I am sure that Andy or Brian could come up with a whole buncht of unsubstantiated snippets, pretty much the same as the nationals, but how would that serve us. A national reports that we are interested in signing Ward, wow, now their's a revelation. I'll wait for the factual info, there are enough stories to read based on speculation.
I think you might have been away from these shores for too long. I said quite clearly that I am not interested in half-baked stories or snippets but would appreciate an occasional story obtained by good journalism. If you have the inclination, take a look online at the sports pages of quality regional newspapers here and you'll find that their sports' team are breaking insightful news. The reason? They have well informed and cultivated sources. I do not mean tittle tattle, rumour and speculation I mean genuine exclusives based on hard research.
They also go to press conferences armed with the sort of questions the fans would like to ask'; acting, if you like, as the fans' representative.
I completely agree with you Marco.
Look at the last raft of Argus stories on here. They may be slightly different to those in the paper, but when was the last time the Argus was able to substantiate, reject or generally reflect any piece of news with the help of direct - or even indirect - club intervention? Almost everything they've run in the last couple of weeks is courtesy of third party sources.
Are they being snubbed?
There have been no quotes from TB about OG's resignation despite TB being happy to appear on BBC local radio. And no mention of anything from that interview on these pages. But they saw fit to run quotes from Paul Clement when he appeared on TalkSport. So why no inclusion of TB but a decent reflection of someone not associated with the club?
Are they being snubbed?
So Leicester have made a bid. No word from the Albion about 'holding on to it's important players. No suggestion of how they might want to play it during the continued search for a new manager. They can do that without having to reflect this particular approach.
In fact, the Argus resurrected the Ulloa story yesterday as a main item, a week after first dropping it into this column and without any real additional substance. Where was the follow up on the day the Mail first ran it on May 22nd? Even an "Albion refusing to comment" "Won't comment on speculation" "Face a fight to keep" would have been better. someone at the Leicester end could have confirmed the interest at least, or alternatively the person who dropped it to the Daily Mail could've confirmed it to enable it to be run with conviction as a local story.
Or would that run the risk of annoying our lot?
So Remi Garde is on the manager shortlist. Well you can bet your sweet Aunt Ada that the Daily Mail got that from someone who wants it known and that they didn't play blindfold lottery with a heap of disparate names. Why not check it out and run it as a definitive story rather than someone else's rumour?
Or would that run the risk of annoying our lot?
And if all of this is just mindless speculation as some have suggested, then why doesn't the club either directly or indirectly say so? Why on earth would you let a rumour rumble on and create problems if you know it's not true? There answer is there must be a semblance of truth... SO MANAGE IT!
It seems as if the club have bolted the doors and The Argus won't ruffle feathers by checking out the original sources of these "leaks" in order to run a definitive story. Instead, all they're doing is regurgitating other people's stuff so they can claim to the club they're only reflecting what's out there and not making judgement or asking nasty questions.
As for the club, create a vacuum and someone will fill it.
Jeremy Peace at WBA has been quoted up here saying everything and nothing about their own search. Ongoing, list of seven candidates, hope to make an appointment within a fortnight. It's nothing sensational, but it puts the club in control.
All in all, it's either lazy journalism, control freak mentality.... or both.
Thanks for listening. Rant over.
PS
For those who aimlessly suggest there's nothing to speak about, take a good look at yourselves. You've done a damned good job of offering opinion on nothing for the last week or so. (And so have I)
People will talk, discuss, opine, whether you join in or not. But if you join in the discussion a little, you can shape the conversation.
(Definitely over this time.)
Thanks.
x
[quote][p][bold]marcotardelli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Standing up a little bit for the Argus here. I am not sure how the Argus can report what it is not being told, and we have no idea as to whether or not they are asking questions, my guess is that they are, but their questions are being rebuffed. Brighton are very good at playing their hand tight to the chest, this is not the first time Brighton have put up the shutters. The national press are not printing solid news re Brighton, not even when they say that Leicester are preparing a new bid for Ulloa, didn't we all know that would happen. The same reporters tell of how Brihton are, 'thought,' to want nearer ten million for Ulloa, there are no facts in a thought, they are not quoting Brighton or Leicester re the price. I am sure that Andy or Brian could come up with a whole buncht of unsubstantiated snippets, pretty much the same as the nationals, but how would that serve us. A national reports that we are interested in signing Ward, wow, now their's a revelation. I'll wait for the factual info, there are enough stories to read based on speculation.[/p][/quote]I think you might have been away from these shores for too long. I said quite clearly that I am not interested in half-baked stories or snippets but would appreciate an occasional story obtained by good journalism. If you have the inclination, take a look online at the sports pages of quality regional newspapers here and you'll find that their sports' team are breaking insightful news. The reason? They have well informed and cultivated sources. I do not mean tittle tattle, rumour and speculation I mean genuine exclusives based on hard research. They also go to press conferences armed with the sort of questions the fans would like to ask'; acting, if you like, as the fans' representative.[/p][/quote]I completely agree with you Marco. Look at the last raft of Argus stories on here. They may be slightly different to those in the paper, but when was the last time the Argus was able to substantiate, reject or generally reflect any piece of news with the help of direct - or even indirect - club intervention? Almost everything they've run in the last couple of weeks is courtesy of third party sources. Are they being snubbed? There have been no quotes from TB about OG's resignation despite TB being happy to appear on BBC local radio. And no mention of anything from that interview on these pages. But they saw fit to run quotes from Paul Clement when he appeared on TalkSport. So why no inclusion of TB but a decent reflection of someone not associated with the club? Are they being snubbed? So Leicester have made a bid. No word from the Albion about 'holding on to it's important players. No suggestion of how they might want to play it during the continued search for a new manager. They can do that without having to reflect this particular approach. In fact, the Argus resurrected the Ulloa story yesterday as a main item, a week after first dropping it into this column and without any real additional substance. Where was the follow up on the day the Mail first ran it on May 22nd? Even an "Albion refusing to comment" "Won't comment on speculation" "Face a fight to keep" would have been better. someone at the Leicester end could have confirmed the interest at least, or alternatively the person who dropped it to the Daily Mail could've confirmed it to enable it to be run with conviction as a local story. Or would that run the risk of annoying our lot? So Remi Garde is on the manager shortlist. Well you can bet your sweet Aunt Ada that the Daily Mail got that from someone who wants it known and that they didn't play blindfold lottery with a heap of disparate names. Why not check it out and run it as a definitive story rather than someone else's rumour? Or would that run the risk of annoying our lot? And if all of this is just mindless speculation as some have suggested, then why doesn't the club either directly or indirectly say so? Why on earth would you let a rumour rumble on and create problems if you know it's not true? There answer is there must be a semblance of truth... SO MANAGE IT! It seems as if the club have bolted the doors and The Argus won't ruffle feathers by checking out the original sources of these "leaks" in order to run a definitive story. Instead, all they're doing is regurgitating other people's stuff so they can claim to the club they're only reflecting what's out there and not making judgement or asking nasty questions. As for the club, create a vacuum and someone will fill it. Jeremy Peace at WBA has been quoted up here saying everything and nothing about their own search. Ongoing, list of seven candidates, hope to make an appointment within a fortnight. It's nothing sensational, but it puts the club in control. All in all, it's either lazy journalism, control freak mentality.... or both. Thanks for listening. Rant over. PS For those who aimlessly suggest there's nothing to speak about, take a good look at yourselves. You've done a damned good job of offering opinion on nothing for the last week or so. (And so have I) People will talk, discuss, opine, whether you join in or not. But if you join in the discussion a little, you can shape the conversation. (Definitely over this time.) Thanks. x Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 0

5:54pm Thu 29 May 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
One on one interviews have been going on between Brighton and those on the short list, we know that, the club said so.
If the short list contains maybe 5 names one would expect that those interviews could be completed by now.
A couple of days to mull things over, and we get a new manager announced over the weekend. Then the real fun starts.
Hi Vegas that interviews are ongoing yep,but I think it is one at a time.
As i have said before A says no ,B says no C thinking about the offer.

Albion should keep the names inhouse it would show disrespect that the TOP MANAGER(COACH) coming in is 3e choice.

Players coming in B.B.B have to stick to their word that no signings till the new man is in place,though i find it rather strange the Toko signing,a bit like the Oscar Garcia coming in from a bomb zone
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: One on one interviews have been going on between Brighton and those on the short list, we know that, the club said so. If the short list contains maybe 5 names one would expect that those interviews could be completed by now. A couple of days to mull things over, and we get a new manager announced over the weekend. Then the real fun starts.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas that interviews are ongoing yep,but I think it is one at a time. As i have said before A says no ,B says no C thinking about the offer. Albion should keep the names inhouse it would show disrespect that the TOP MANAGER(COACH) coming in is 3e choice. Players coming in B.B.B have to stick to their word that no signings till the new man is in place,though i find it rather strange the Toko signing,a bit like the Oscar Garcia coming in from a bomb zone don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 6

6:04pm Thu 29 May 14

pjwilk says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Sussex J wrote:
This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows;

Tim Sherwood 2/1
Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7

Chris Hughton 9/4
Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?)

Paul Clement 3/1
Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club

Neil Lennon 10/1
Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic)

Glen Hoddle 12/1
Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention.

Michael Appleton 16/1
Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer

Nathan Jones 16/1
Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him.

Ralf Rangnick 16/1
Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg

Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as
Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour)
Zola 33/1
Martin O'Neill 33/1
Neil Warncok 33/1
Steve Clarke 33/1
Curbishley 40/1
Eddie Howe 40/1
Malky Mackay 40/1
Laudrup 40/1
Freedman 50/1
Brian McDermott 66/1
Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1
With Gary Neville still uncertain about his future at Man United, I wouldn't completely rule him out, but I would admit it's an unlikely appointment. I would think Neville's best chance would be if Hoddle got the job and looked to him as his assistant.
Surely you mean Phil as Gary Neville is a Sky pundit and doing it very well. Having said that Gary would probably make a good manager but I cannot see that happening.
Not only that but he is part of the England setup,which would mean he wouldn't be available until after the World Cup.
Wont be any of this lot.You can forget the Neville bros they would be vastly unpopular,no experience of management.As for Hoddle,he is a joke.
Hoddle a joke in what way? His unusual religious beliefs or his football/management ability?
Not achieved anything much,alongside Neville as a boring pundit ,they both make out they are experts,they just woffle a lot of hot air.
So an ex-England manager is "a joke" because he hasn't achieved anything? Other than managing several teams in the top flight and becoming England Manager (with whom he had a 60+% win rate)?
You got it.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex J[/bold] wrote: This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows; Tim Sherwood 2/1 Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7 Chris Hughton 9/4 Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?) Paul Clement 3/1 Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club Neil Lennon 10/1 Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic) Glen Hoddle 12/1 Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention. Michael Appleton 16/1 Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer Nathan Jones 16/1 Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him. Ralf Rangnick 16/1 Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour) Zola 33/1 Martin O'Neill 33/1 Neil Warncok 33/1 Steve Clarke 33/1 Curbishley 40/1 Eddie Howe 40/1 Malky Mackay 40/1 Laudrup 40/1 Freedman 50/1 Brian McDermott 66/1 Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1[/p][/quote]With Gary Neville still uncertain about his future at Man United, I wouldn't completely rule him out, but I would admit it's an unlikely appointment. I would think Neville's best chance would be if Hoddle got the job and looked to him as his assistant.[/p][/quote]Surely you mean Phil as Gary Neville is a Sky pundit and doing it very well. Having said that Gary would probably make a good manager but I cannot see that happening.[/p][/quote]Not only that but he is part of the England setup,which would mean he wouldn't be available until after the World Cup.[/p][/quote]Wont be any of this lot.You can forget the Neville bros they would be vastly unpopular,no experience of management.As for Hoddle,he is a joke.[/p][/quote]Hoddle a joke in what way? His unusual religious beliefs or his football/management ability?[/p][/quote]Not achieved anything much,alongside Neville as a boring pundit ,they both make out they are experts,they just woffle a lot of hot air.[/p][/quote]So an ex-England manager is "a joke" because he hasn't achieved anything? Other than managing several teams in the top flight and becoming England Manager (with whom he had a 60+% win rate)?[/p][/quote]You got it. pjwilk
  • Score: -12

6:07pm Thu 29 May 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

Seems a lot of posters think the Daily Mail is the bible,all i can say is don't want to believe that;
Seems a lot of posters think the Daily Mail is the bible,all i can say is don't want to believe that; don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 2

7:11pm Thu 29 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
Seems a lot of posters think the Daily Mail is the bible,all i can say is don't want to believe that;
For clarity, DWDILT, the mentions of the D. Mail in my rant were purely factual references to a series of published stories about our club, not a reflection of favouritism.
It sounds like you thought it was and I do not believe you wanted to do that.
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: Seems a lot of posters think the Daily Mail is the bible,all i can say is don't want to believe that;[/p][/quote]For clarity, DWDILT, the mentions of the D. Mail in my rant were purely factual references to a series of published stories about our club, not a reflection of favouritism. It sounds like you thought it was and I do not believe you wanted to do that. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -4

7:18pm Thu 29 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

And another thing....
This headline is on the Sky Sports Website...
Championship: Derby chief Sam Rush warns clubs off manager Steve McClaren
Now, even if McLaren does end up leaving, if you were Derby fan, doesn't it look right now as if Derby are prepared to put up a fight and do what's right for the club and it's fans?
I can hear it now from the Ramophiles 20 miles up the road.. "Go on Sam my son, you tell 'em.....
And another thing.... This headline is on the Sky Sports Website... Championship: Derby chief Sam Rush warns clubs off manager Steve McClaren Now, even if McLaren does end up leaving, if you were Derby fan, doesn't it look right now as if Derby are prepared to put up a fight and do what's right for the club and it's fans? I can hear it now from the Ramophiles 20 miles up the road.. "Go on Sam my son, you tell 'em..... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

7:20pm Thu 29 May 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
Seems a lot of posters think the Daily Mail is the bible,all i can say is don't want to believe that;
For clarity, DWDILT, the mentions of the D. Mail in my rant were purely factual references to a series of published stories about our club, not a reflection of favouritism.
It sounds like you thought it was and I do not believe you wanted to do that.
Glad you proud of your factual references,the Mail are proud of their factual mostly (crap) but funny reads.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: Seems a lot of posters think the Daily Mail is the bible,all i can say is don't want to believe that;[/p][/quote]For clarity, DWDILT, the mentions of the D. Mail in my rant were purely factual references to a series of published stories about our club, not a reflection of favouritism. It sounds like you thought it was and I do not believe you wanted to do that.[/p][/quote]Glad you proud of your factual references,the Mail are proud of their factual mostly (crap) but funny reads. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 5

7:28pm Thu 29 May 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

SuperSeagull92 wrote:
I like the idea of a swap deal for Chris Wood. Leicester bought him for around £1.5million in Jan 13 so if we could get 3million+ and then Chris Wood for Ulloa id see that as a deal well done. Would be sad to see him leave but when the premier league comes knocking it can be very difficult for players to resist!
So you wouldnt mind Chris Wood if he was anygood,why get rid of him? if we have any ambition, we have got to do all we can to keep Ulloa unless we find better but thats not Wood.
Without Ulloa we will have no threat upfront best way to defend is have someone the oposition is scared off up the other end, take Ulloa out and put Wood in, bad move.
The club rely on supporters for revenue if we become a selling club we will lose support which could lead to a downward move through the lower Leagues
[quote][p][bold]SuperSeagull92[/bold] wrote: I like the idea of a swap deal for Chris Wood. Leicester bought him for around £1.5million in Jan 13 so if we could get 3million+ and then Chris Wood for Ulloa id see that as a deal well done. Would be sad to see him leave but when the premier league comes knocking it can be very difficult for players to resist![/p][/quote]So you wouldnt mind Chris Wood if he was anygood,why get rid of him? if we have any ambition, we have got to do all we can to keep Ulloa unless we find better but thats not Wood. Without Ulloa we will have no threat upfront best way to defend is have someone the oposition is scared off up the other end, take Ulloa out and put Wood in, bad move. The club rely on supporters for revenue if we become a selling club we will lose support which could lead to a downward move through the lower Leagues Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: 7

7:41pm Thu 29 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
Seems a lot of posters think the Daily Mail is the bible,all i can say is don't want to believe that;
For clarity, DWDILT, the mentions of the D. Mail in my rant were purely factual references to a series of published stories about our club, not a reflection of favouritism.
It sounds like you thought it was and I do not believe you wanted to do that.
Glad you proud of your factual references,the Mail are proud of their factual mostly (crap) but funny reads.
Again, to be clear, they are factual references of stories that were published into the public domain and, as a consequence, have provided much ammunition for general debate. I don't profess to be an advocate.
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: Seems a lot of posters think the Daily Mail is the bible,all i can say is don't want to believe that;[/p][/quote]For clarity, DWDILT, the mentions of the D. Mail in my rant were purely factual references to a series of published stories about our club, not a reflection of favouritism. It sounds like you thought it was and I do not believe you wanted to do that.[/p][/quote]Glad you proud of your factual references,the Mail are proud of their factual mostly (crap) but funny reads.[/p][/quote]Again, to be clear, they are factual references of stories that were published into the public domain and, as a consequence, have provided much ammunition for general debate. I don't profess to be an advocate. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

7:57pm Thu 29 May 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
Seems a lot of posters think the Daily Mail is the bible,all i can say is don't want to believe that;
For clarity, DWDILT, the mentions of the D. Mail in my rant were purely factual references to a series of published stories about our club, not a reflection of favouritism.
It sounds like you thought it was and I do not believe you wanted to do that.
Glad you proud of your factual references,the Mail are proud of their factual mostly (crap) but funny reads.
Again, to be clear, they are factual references of stories that were published into the public domain and, as a consequence, have provided much ammunition for general debate. I don't profess to be an advocate.
If i have offendend you ,sorry i apologise.

I did say"A LOT OF POSTERS" so unless you are using other names on this site it is not personal.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: Seems a lot of posters think the Daily Mail is the bible,all i can say is don't want to believe that;[/p][/quote]For clarity, DWDILT, the mentions of the D. Mail in my rant were purely factual references to a series of published stories about our club, not a reflection of favouritism. It sounds like you thought it was and I do not believe you wanted to do that.[/p][/quote]Glad you proud of your factual references,the Mail are proud of their factual mostly (crap) but funny reads.[/p][/quote]Again, to be clear, they are factual references of stories that were published into the public domain and, as a consequence, have provided much ammunition for general debate. I don't profess to be an advocate.[/p][/quote]If i have offendend you ,sorry i apologise. I did say"A LOT OF POSTERS" so unless you are using other names on this site it is not personal. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -1

8:46pm Thu 29 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
Seems a lot of posters think the Daily Mail is the bible,all i can say is don't want to believe that;
For clarity, DWDILT, the mentions of the D. Mail in my rant were purely factual references to a series of published stories about our club, not a reflection of favouritism.
It sounds like you thought it was and I do not believe you wanted to do that.
Glad you proud of your factual references,the Mail are proud of their factual mostly (crap) but funny reads.
Again, to be clear, they are factual references of stories that were published into the public domain and, as a consequence, have provided much ammunition for general debate. I don't profess to be an advocate.
If i have offendend you ,sorry i apologise.

I did say"A LOT OF POSTERS" so unless you are using other names on this site it is not personal.
There is no need to apologise whatsoever! i was merely trying to clarify a point, not take you to task. Whenever I have something to say, I merely have a desire to be clear on motive.
The other answer to your note is no, I only have one identity on here as, probably like you, I see this forum as a chance to discuss and express (sometimes strenuous) opinion.
Your response was appreciated, unexpected and unnecessary. So, we move on!!
Cheers.
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: Seems a lot of posters think the Daily Mail is the bible,all i can say is don't want to believe that;[/p][/quote]For clarity, DWDILT, the mentions of the D. Mail in my rant were purely factual references to a series of published stories about our club, not a reflection of favouritism. It sounds like you thought it was and I do not believe you wanted to do that.[/p][/quote]Glad you proud of your factual references,the Mail are proud of their factual mostly (crap) but funny reads.[/p][/quote]Again, to be clear, they are factual references of stories that were published into the public domain and, as a consequence, have provided much ammunition for general debate. I don't profess to be an advocate.[/p][/quote]If i have offendend you ,sorry i apologise. I did say"A LOT OF POSTERS" so unless you are using other names on this site it is not personal.[/p][/quote]There is no need to apologise whatsoever! i was merely trying to clarify a point, not take you to task. Whenever I have something to say, I merely have a desire to be clear on motive. The other answer to your note is no, I only have one identity on here as, probably like you, I see this forum as a chance to discuss and express (sometimes strenuous) opinion. Your response was appreciated, unexpected and unnecessary. So, we move on!! Cheers. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

8:50pm Thu 29 May 14

Oscar's Chin says...

pjwilk wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Sussex J wrote:
This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows;

Tim Sherwood 2/1
Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7

Chris Hughton 9/4
Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?)

Paul Clement 3/1
Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club

Neil Lennon 10/1
Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic)

Glen Hoddle 12/1
Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention.

Michael Appleton 16/1
Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer

Nathan Jones 16/1
Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him.

Ralf Rangnick 16/1
Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg

Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as
Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour)
Zola 33/1
Martin O'Neill 33/1
Neil Warncok 33/1
Steve Clarke 33/1
Curbishley 40/1
Eddie Howe 40/1
Malky Mackay 40/1
Laudrup 40/1
Freedman 50/1
Brian McDermott 66/1
Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1
With Gary Neville still uncertain about his future at Man United, I wouldn't completely rule him out, but I would admit it's an unlikely appointment. I would think Neville's best chance would be if Hoddle got the job and looked to him as his assistant.
Surely you mean Phil as Gary Neville is a Sky pundit and doing it very well. Having said that Gary would probably make a good manager but I cannot see that happening.
Not only that but he is part of the England setup,which would mean he wouldn't be available until after the World Cup.
Wont be any of this lot.You can forget the Neville bros they would be vastly unpopular,no experience of management.As for Hoddle,he is a joke.
Hoddle a joke in what way? His unusual religious beliefs or his football/management ability?
Not achieved anything much,alongside Neville as a boring pundit ,they both make out they are experts,they just woffle a lot of hot air.
Couldn't disagree more!
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex J[/bold] wrote: This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows; Tim Sherwood 2/1 Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7 Chris Hughton 9/4 Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?) Paul Clement 3/1 Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club Neil Lennon 10/1 Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic) Glen Hoddle 12/1 Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention. Michael Appleton 16/1 Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer Nathan Jones 16/1 Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him. Ralf Rangnick 16/1 Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour) Zola 33/1 Martin O'Neill 33/1 Neil Warncok 33/1 Steve Clarke 33/1 Curbishley 40/1 Eddie Howe 40/1 Malky Mackay 40/1 Laudrup 40/1 Freedman 50/1 Brian McDermott 66/1 Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1[/p][/quote]With Gary Neville still uncertain about his future at Man United, I wouldn't completely rule him out, but I would admit it's an unlikely appointment. I would think Neville's best chance would be if Hoddle got the job and looked to him as his assistant.[/p][/quote]Surely you mean Phil as Gary Neville is a Sky pundit and doing it very well. Having said that Gary would probably make a good manager but I cannot see that happening.[/p][/quote]Not only that but he is part of the England setup,which would mean he wouldn't be available until after the World Cup.[/p][/quote]Wont be any of this lot.You can forget the Neville bros they would be vastly unpopular,no experience of management.As for Hoddle,he is a joke.[/p][/quote]Hoddle a joke in what way? His unusual religious beliefs or his football/management ability?[/p][/quote]Not achieved anything much,alongside Neville as a boring pundit ,they both make out they are experts,they just woffle a lot of hot air.[/p][/quote]Couldn't disagree more! Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 3

9:58pm Thu 29 May 14

gordongull says...

There isn't any news.
That is why the Argus isn't reporting any, and why it keeps rehashing old speculation.
A new Manager hasn't been appointed, and no new players have been signed.
Offers have been made for one of our players, and the Argus has reported on those, but there is nothing else.
There is nothing to post a comment about, but I will try.
Remi Garde has taken Lyon to 5th, 3rd, and 4th in the last three seasons in the French top flight.
('Ligue 1' is on about the same par as the Championship, otherwise how did Joey Barton get a move from a relegated Prem side to a top French club?).
But having said that, what would be the attraction for a successful Manager in the French version of the Premier League to take on what must look like a difficult coaching job in the English second tier?
I think we can safely say that Garde has been used to fill a few column inches in the national press.
So what about the other 'contender' in the above article?
The mention of Chris Hughton received a lukewarm response from me initially, because he has a reputation of being ''too nice'', (to quote a Norwich fan I spoke to recently). Everyone including the players likes him, and that isn't always the right mindset where a football Manager is concerned.
But since Oscar's departure I have been pushing for the appointment of an individual with a reasonable level of experience and success at this level. Most of the Managers who have actually achieved promotion in recent seasons still have a job. Notable exceptions are Hughton, Neil Warnock, and Malky Mackay. Warnock would not work with a DOF. In fact he could perform the role of Director Of Football as well as manage, but
the Club have obviously decided that the tiers of Management currently in place are the best way to keep the lid on the finances. They are not going to risk the pressures to overspend, that a Manager with a free role in the transfer market would inevitably generate.
Mackay has distanced himself from the job, So Hughton Is likely to be the leading (potential) candidate, based on experience and success at Championship level.
Would he take it on, bearing in mind the perceived absence of control in selecting transfer targets, and the perceived limitations in available funds for team building?
I think he would, because he hasn't been inundated with job offers since his dismissal from Norwich, and he seems to be suffering from the old adage that 'You are only as good as your last job'. If the only offers that he gets are for 'difficult' Clubs, then he will need to give them serious consideration.
Anyone who thinks that we should only consider candidates who see B&HA as their number one choice are deluded. Maybe if they were to be given control of transfer policy, and enough cash to get us promoted via the automatic route.
Those who see us as number one, will be the inexperienced and the desperate, and Hughton could fall into the second category.
We could do a lot worse, but probably not a lot better.
There isn't any news. That is why the Argus isn't reporting any, and why it keeps rehashing old speculation. A new Manager hasn't been appointed, and no new players have been signed. Offers have been made for one of our players, and the Argus has reported on those, but there is nothing else. There is nothing to post a comment about, but I will try. Remi Garde has taken Lyon to 5th, 3rd, and 4th in the last three seasons in the French top flight. ('Ligue 1' is on about the same par as the Championship, otherwise how did Joey Barton get a move from a relegated Prem side to a top French club?). But having said that, what would be the attraction for a successful Manager in the French version of the Premier League to take on what must look like a difficult coaching job in the English second tier? I think we can safely say that Garde has been used to fill a few column inches in the national press. So what about the other 'contender' in the above article? The mention of Chris Hughton received a lukewarm response from me initially, because he has a reputation of being ''too nice'', (to quote a Norwich fan I spoke to recently). Everyone including the players likes him, and that isn't always the right mindset where a football Manager is concerned. But since Oscar's departure I have been pushing for the appointment of an individual with a reasonable level of experience and success at this level. Most of the Managers who have actually achieved promotion in recent seasons still have a job. Notable exceptions are Hughton, Neil Warnock, and Malky Mackay. Warnock would not work with a DOF. In fact he could perform the role of Director Of Football as well as manage, but the Club have obviously decided that the tiers of Management currently in place are the best way to keep the lid on the finances. They are not going to risk the pressures to overspend, that a Manager with a free role in the transfer market would inevitably generate. Mackay has distanced himself from the job, So Hughton Is likely to be the leading (potential) candidate, based on experience and success at Championship level. Would he take it on, bearing in mind the perceived absence of control in selecting transfer targets, and the perceived limitations in available funds for team building? I think he would, because he hasn't been inundated with job offers since his dismissal from Norwich, and he seems to be suffering from the old adage that 'You are only as good as your last job'. If the only offers that he gets are for 'difficult' Clubs, then he will need to give them serious consideration. Anyone who thinks that we should only consider candidates who see B&HA as their number one choice are deluded. Maybe if they were to be given control of transfer policy, and enough cash to get us promoted via the automatic route. Those who see us as number one, will be the inexperienced and the desperate, and Hughton could fall into the second category. We could do a lot worse, but probably not a lot better. gordongull
  • Score: 3

10:35pm Thu 29 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Hi Gordon.
Garde might be the right type, he does have experience and can't be looked at as a failure. His arrival just might be a breath of fresh air after the Poyet era and the short lived one of Gracia. The guy clearly has, 'stickability,' as you point out, he has had three good seasons in a row, I wouldn't mind betting that there was interest in him during, or after, his second year.
The Brighton squad has had a strong spanish influence for a while now, perhaps it's time for a couple of talented french lads to arrive, change things up a little.
If we go British then Hughton gets my vote
Hi Gordon. Garde might be the right type, he does have experience and can't be looked at as a failure. His arrival just might be a breath of fresh air after the Poyet era and the short lived one of Gracia. The guy clearly has, 'stickability,' as you point out, he has had three good seasons in a row, I wouldn't mind betting that there was interest in him during, or after, his second year. The Brighton squad has had a strong spanish influence for a while now, perhaps it's time for a couple of talented french lads to arrive, change things up a little. If we go British then Hughton gets my vote VegasSeagull
  • Score: -3

10:54pm Thu 29 May 14

gordongull says...

Hi Vegas
With his track record in the French top flight, could we get Garde interested in the first place?
The Idea of Hughton being appointed has had a less than enthusiastic reception on this forum, but considering the restrictions that go with the job, are we capable of attracting an 'inspirational' Manager?
Hughton has an excellent track record at this level, and that is exactly what we need.
After initial reservations, he now has my vote.
Hi Vegas With his track record in the French top flight, could we get Garde interested in the first place? The Idea of Hughton being appointed has had a less than enthusiastic reception on this forum, but considering the restrictions that go with the job, are we capable of attracting an 'inspirational' Manager? Hughton has an excellent track record at this level, and that is exactly what we need. After initial reservations, he now has my vote. gordongull
  • Score: -6

12:40am Fri 30 May 14

Ahamay says...

Whatever the thinking is with regards to FFP, every single league club will have to adhere to any limitations that come about through it's introduction.
With that in mind, any new manager will be fully aware of the implications surrounding his job, otherwise his tenure will be very short indeed.
The apparent uneven playing surface, brought about through parachute payments from the Premier League, does not automatically give an unfair advantage, as witnessed when Wolves fell straight through the Championship and into League One. But of course it should help if managed correctly.

On the back of all that, I really do trust Tony Bloom to install someone who will continue the playing improvements that have, for a few seasons now, been known as the Brighton style of play.
It would be futile to return to the days of kick and hope, because by doing that the fans will desert in their droves, and the forward planning might just as well never have happened.

I look forward to the appointment, because the next manager will be the one to ultimately guide us into the top flight, whoever they are.
Whatever the thinking is with regards to FFP, every single league club will have to adhere to any limitations that come about through it's introduction. With that in mind, any new manager will be fully aware of the implications surrounding his job, otherwise his tenure will be very short indeed. The apparent uneven playing surface, brought about through parachute payments from the Premier League, does not automatically give an unfair advantage, as witnessed when Wolves fell straight through the Championship and into League One. But of course it should help if managed correctly. On the back of all that, I really do trust Tony Bloom to install someone who will continue the playing improvements that have, for a few seasons now, been known as the Brighton style of play. It would be futile to return to the days of kick and hope, because by doing that the fans will desert in their droves, and the forward planning might just as well never have happened. I look forward to the appointment, because the next manager will be the one to ultimately guide us into the top flight, whoever they are. Ahamay
  • Score: 3

1:57am Fri 30 May 14

ringtone says...

gordongull wrote:
Hi Vegas
With his track record in the French top flight, could we get Garde interested in the first place?
The Idea of Hughton being appointed has had a less than enthusiastic reception on this forum, but considering the restrictions that go with the job, are we capable of attracting an 'inspirational' Manager?
Hughton has an excellent track record at this level, and that is exactly what we need.
After initial reservations, he now has my vote.
Hi gordie

After using superlatives to describe your recent contributions to this site i am very disappointed with your most recent offerings.

Also, over familarility with other posters is very uncool.

Please dont join the herd.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Hi Vegas With his track record in the French top flight, could we get Garde interested in the first place? The Idea of Hughton being appointed has had a less than enthusiastic reception on this forum, but considering the restrictions that go with the job, are we capable of attracting an 'inspirational' Manager? Hughton has an excellent track record at this level, and that is exactly what we need. After initial reservations, he now has my vote.[/p][/quote]Hi gordie After using superlatives to describe your recent contributions to this site i am very disappointed with your most recent offerings. Also, over familarility with other posters is very uncool. Please dont join the herd. ringtone
  • Score: -3

1:57pm Mon 2 Jun 14

rolivan says...

Most of us are on the Ball we are getting our info from the same sources as the Argus.
Most of us are on the Ball we are getting our info from the same sources as the Argus. rolivan
  • Score: -1

2:36pm Mon 2 Jun 14

lighteninglee says...

wondering if we Will have a manager by Friday? why is this taking so long
wondering if we Will have a manager by Friday? why is this taking so long lighteninglee
  • Score: -1

2:54pm Mon 2 Jun 14

bruce beckett says...

Shame about Fryatt if he is truly unavailable. Would have been top of my shopping list for a striker.
Shame about Fryatt if he is truly unavailable. Would have been top of my shopping list for a striker. bruce beckett
  • Score: 0

3:01pm Mon 2 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Rickie Lambert has converted his last 34 penalties.
Could be a hard act for Leo to follow!
Rickie Lambert has converted his last 34 penalties. Could be a hard act for Leo to follow! gordongull
  • Score: 1

3:07pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Hampshire Gull says...

Latest paper rumour - Arsenal want Walton So we'll need another goalie as well as all those other players needed. Oh and it would be good to have a manager in the next month or so ...
Latest paper rumour - Arsenal want Walton So we'll need another goalie as well as all those other players needed. Oh and it would be good to have a manager in the next month or so ... Hampshire Gull
  • Score: -4

3:18pm Mon 2 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Hampshire Gull wrote:
Latest paper rumour - Arsenal want Walton So we'll need another goalie as well as all those other players needed. Oh and it would be good to have a manager in the next month or so ...
makes you wonder why we spent 30 million on a new facility designed to bring young players players on. I don't see the sense in having Walton go to Arsenal, he could be our number two keeper this coming season.
[quote][p][bold]Hampshire Gull[/bold] wrote: Latest paper rumour - Arsenal want Walton So we'll need another goalie as well as all those other players needed. Oh and it would be good to have a manager in the next month or so ...[/p][/quote]makes you wonder why we spent 30 million on a new facility designed to bring young players players on. I don't see the sense in having Walton go to Arsenal, he could be our number two keeper this coming season. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

3:32pm Mon 2 Jun 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Hampshire Gull wrote:
Latest paper rumour - Arsenal want Walton So we'll need another goalie as well as all those other players needed. Oh and it would be good to have a manager in the next month or so ...
makes you wonder why we spent 30 million on a new facility designed to bring young players players on. I don't see the sense in having Walton go to Arsenal, he could be our number two keeper this coming season.
To who, Casper?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hampshire Gull[/bold] wrote: Latest paper rumour - Arsenal want Walton So we'll need another goalie as well as all those other players needed. Oh and it would be good to have a manager in the next month or so ...[/p][/quote]makes you wonder why we spent 30 million on a new facility designed to bring young players players on. I don't see the sense in having Walton go to Arsenal, he could be our number two keeper this coming season.[/p][/quote]To who, Casper? gordongull
  • Score: 0

3:46pm Mon 2 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Hampshire Gull wrote:
Latest paper rumour - Arsenal want Walton So we'll need another goalie as well as all those other players needed. Oh and it would be good to have a manager in the next month or so ...
makes you wonder why we spent 30 million on a new facility designed to bring young players players on. I don't see the sense in having Walton go to Arsenal, he could be our number two keeper this coming season.
To who, Casper?
nope I was thinking Casper at 3 and a new guy at 1
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hampshire Gull[/bold] wrote: Latest paper rumour - Arsenal want Walton So we'll need another goalie as well as all those other players needed. Oh and it would be good to have a manager in the next month or so ...[/p][/quote]makes you wonder why we spent 30 million on a new facility designed to bring young players players on. I don't see the sense in having Walton go to Arsenal, he could be our number two keeper this coming season.[/p][/quote]To who, Casper?[/p][/quote]nope I was thinking Casper at 3 and a new guy at 1 VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

4:10pm Mon 2 Jun 14

marcotardelli says...

farside wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Am I alone in thinking that this is a pretty shoddy way for the Argus to reflect the Ulloa story rather than going mainline and writing an update from a local perspective?
Given this and recent absences of comment from the likes of TB, does anyone know if The Argus are Persona non Grata at The Amex at the moment?
And by the way, it's a question, not an accusation....
Think you have it right. AN seems to have identified/sided with Oscar. Articles almost all appear to have a hint of negativity if not direct criticism and ignoring Bloom's interview with the BBC is just downright strange as well as being extremely poor journalism.

A shame because people do rely on these pages and are not getting the best service.
I made a similar point last week when the Argus took the peculiar step of quoting a national newspaper regarding an Albion rumour rather than
making an effort to investigate themselves. The Orlandi story on today's site is also a strange way for a paper to go about its business. It seems there's no one on the sports desk with any real contacts inside the club and they're reduced to printing "arms-length" stories instead of breaking something of substance. I also pointed out that any regional newspaper worth its salt should be capable of coming up with something insightful regardless of whether the club are "tight-lipped" or not. I don't get to see the hard-copy version of the Argus but can only hope the sports pages have a bit more substance to them than this site.
[quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Am I alone in thinking that this is a pretty shoddy way for the Argus to reflect the Ulloa story rather than going mainline and writing an update from a local perspective? Given this and recent absences of comment from the likes of TB, does anyone know if The Argus are Persona non Grata at The Amex at the moment? And by the way, it's a question, not an accusation....[/p][/quote]Think you have it right. AN seems to have identified/sided with Oscar. Articles almost all appear to have a hint of negativity if not direct criticism and ignoring Bloom's interview with the BBC is just downright strange as well as being extremely poor journalism. A shame because people do rely on these pages and are not getting the best service.[/p][/quote]I made a similar point last week when the Argus took the peculiar step of quoting a national newspaper regarding an Albion rumour rather than making an effort to investigate themselves. The Orlandi story on today's site is also a strange way for a paper to go about its business. It seems there's no one on the sports desk with any real contacts inside the club and they're reduced to printing "arms-length" stories instead of breaking something of substance. I also pointed out that any regional newspaper worth its salt should be capable of coming up with something insightful regardless of whether the club are "tight-lipped" or not. I don't get to see the hard-copy version of the Argus but can only hope the sports pages have a bit more substance to them than this site. marcotardelli
  • Score: -2

4:18pm Mon 2 Jun 14

WiseOldSeagull says...

It's positive news if Southampton are in for Leo also. This way the price will go up. Who knows how many other teams are interested that we don't know about. I am resigned to the possibility that he will go now we know we are a Championship outfit again next season. Money talks and the player will want to get the best deal he can and play at the highest level possible. We have seen it so many times before. If the asking price is met he will be on his way. If it's not we may have a disgruntled player on our books. All the while premier clubs are showing interest we will probably lose out unless Leo is one of the few players around that are loyal to a philosophy.
It's positive news if Southampton are in for Leo also. This way the price will go up. Who knows how many other teams are interested that we don't know about. I am resigned to the possibility that he will go now we know we are a Championship outfit again next season. Money talks and the player will want to get the best deal he can and play at the highest level possible. We have seen it so many times before. If the asking price is met he will be on his way. If it's not we may have a disgruntled player on our books. All the while premier clubs are showing interest we will probably lose out unless Leo is one of the few players around that are loyal to a philosophy. WiseOldSeagull
  • Score: 1

4:21pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Hovite says...

gordongull wrote:
There isn't any news.
That is why the Argus isn't reporting any, and why it keeps rehashing old speculation.
A new Manager hasn't been appointed, and no new players have been signed.
Offers have been made for one of our players, and the Argus has reported on those, but there is nothing else.
There is nothing to post a comment about, but I will try.
Remi Garde has taken Lyon to 5th, 3rd, and 4th in the last three seasons in the French top flight.
('Ligue 1' is on about the same par as the Championship, otherwise how did Joey Barton get a move from a relegated Prem side to a top French club?).
But having said that, what would be the attraction for a successful Manager in the French version of the Premier League to take on what must look like a difficult coaching job in the English second tier?
I think we can safely say that Garde has been used to fill a few column inches in the national press.
So what about the other 'contender' in the above article?
The mention of Chris Hughton received a lukewarm response from me initially, because he has a reputation of being ''too nice'', (to quote a Norwich fan I spoke to recently). Everyone including the players likes him, and that isn't always the right mindset where a football Manager is concerned.
But since Oscar's departure I have been pushing for the appointment of an individual with a reasonable level of experience and success at this level. Most of the Managers who have actually achieved promotion in recent seasons still have a job. Notable exceptions are Hughton, Neil Warnock, and Malky Mackay. Warnock would not work with a DOF. In fact he could perform the role of Director Of Football as well as manage, but
the Club have obviously decided that the tiers of Management currently in place are the best way to keep the lid on the finances. They are not going to risk the pressures to overspend, that a Manager with a free role in the transfer market would inevitably generate.
Mackay has distanced himself from the job, So Hughton Is likely to be the leading (potential) candidate, based on experience and success at Championship level.
Would he take it on, bearing in mind the perceived absence of control in selecting transfer targets, and the perceived limitations in available funds for team building?
I think he would, because he hasn't been inundated with job offers since his dismissal from Norwich, and he seems to be suffering from the old adage that 'You are only as good as your last job'. If the only offers that he gets are for 'difficult' Clubs, then he will need to give them serious consideration.
Anyone who thinks that we should only consider candidates who see B&HA as their number one choice are deluded. Maybe if they were to be given control of transfer policy, and enough cash to get us promoted via the automatic route.
Those who see us as number one, will be the inexperienced and the desperate, and Hughton could fall into the second category.
We could do a lot worse, but probably not a lot better.
Hughton is best suited to the job, and I wouldn't even mind Powell either. Both are dedicated managers and would be patient with our timeline.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: There isn't any news. That is why the Argus isn't reporting any, and why it keeps rehashing old speculation. A new Manager hasn't been appointed, and no new players have been signed. Offers have been made for one of our players, and the Argus has reported on those, but there is nothing else. There is nothing to post a comment about, but I will try. Remi Garde has taken Lyon to 5th, 3rd, and 4th in the last three seasons in the French top flight. ('Ligue 1' is on about the same par as the Championship, otherwise how did Joey Barton get a move from a relegated Prem side to a top French club?). But having said that, what would be the attraction for a successful Manager in the French version of the Premier League to take on what must look like a difficult coaching job in the English second tier? I think we can safely say that Garde has been used to fill a few column inches in the national press. So what about the other 'contender' in the above article? The mention of Chris Hughton received a lukewarm response from me initially, because he has a reputation of being ''too nice'', (to quote a Norwich fan I spoke to recently). Everyone including the players likes him, and that isn't always the right mindset where a football Manager is concerned. But since Oscar's departure I have been pushing for the appointment of an individual with a reasonable level of experience and success at this level. Most of the Managers who have actually achieved promotion in recent seasons still have a job. Notable exceptions are Hughton, Neil Warnock, and Malky Mackay. Warnock would not work with a DOF. In fact he could perform the role of Director Of Football as well as manage, but the Club have obviously decided that the tiers of Management currently in place are the best way to keep the lid on the finances. They are not going to risk the pressures to overspend, that a Manager with a free role in the transfer market would inevitably generate. Mackay has distanced himself from the job, So Hughton Is likely to be the leading (potential) candidate, based on experience and success at Championship level. Would he take it on, bearing in mind the perceived absence of control in selecting transfer targets, and the perceived limitations in available funds for team building? I think he would, because he hasn't been inundated with job offers since his dismissal from Norwich, and he seems to be suffering from the old adage that 'You are only as good as your last job'. If the only offers that he gets are for 'difficult' Clubs, then he will need to give them serious consideration. Anyone who thinks that we should only consider candidates who see B&HA as their number one choice are deluded. Maybe if they were to be given control of transfer policy, and enough cash to get us promoted via the automatic route. Those who see us as number one, will be the inexperienced and the desperate, and Hughton could fall into the second category. We could do a lot worse, but probably not a lot better.[/p][/quote]Hughton is best suited to the job, and I wouldn't even mind Powell either. Both are dedicated managers and would be patient with our timeline. Hovite
  • Score: -3

4:23pm Mon 2 Jun 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

lighteninglee wrote:
wondering if we Will have a manager by Friday? why is this taking so long
England play their last game on the 24th.

Hodgson will sign the 25th.
[quote][p][bold]lighteninglee[/bold] wrote: wondering if we Will have a manager by Friday? why is this taking so long[/p][/quote]England play their last game on the 24th. Hodgson will sign the 25th. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 2

4:26pm Mon 2 Jun 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Hampshire Gull wrote:
Latest paper rumour - Arsenal want Walton So we'll need another goalie as well as all those other players needed. Oh and it would be good to have a manager in the next month or so ...
makes you wonder why we spent 30 million on a new facility designed to bring young players players on. I don't see the sense in having Walton go to Arsenal, he could be our number two keeper this coming season.
There is only money in real estate.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hampshire Gull[/bold] wrote: Latest paper rumour - Arsenal want Walton So we'll need another goalie as well as all those other players needed. Oh and it would be good to have a manager in the next month or so ...[/p][/quote]makes you wonder why we spent 30 million on a new facility designed to bring young players players on. I don't see the sense in having Walton go to Arsenal, he could be our number two keeper this coming season.[/p][/quote]There is only money in real estate. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -1

4:29pm Mon 2 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

WiseOldSeagull wrote:
It's positive news if Southampton are in for Leo also. This way the price will go up. Who knows how many other teams are interested that we don't know about. I am resigned to the possibility that he will go now we know we are a Championship outfit again next season. Money talks and the player will want to get the best deal he can and play at the highest level possible. We have seen it so many times before. If the asking price is met he will be on his way. If it's not we may have a disgruntled player on our books. All the while premier clubs are showing interest we will probably lose out unless Leo is one of the few players around that are loyal to a philosophy.
From just a view point of making money, could Ulloa be worth more in the January window rather than now, assuming he continues to score goals. Come January there will be clubs in the prem fearful of relegation, they might pay a big price to get a goal scorer, even if he hasn't been tested at the top level. Today 6 or 7 million, January, who knows if a real bidding war gets going, and at least we would have had half a season of his goals.

Right now there isn't any other bid on the table other than that of Leicester for Leo, just rumours and they aint worth zip, you can't bank a rumour. I would like to see us offer Leo a new 5 year deal with his wages set at the highest figure we can allow, and add in a 10 million release clause, have him ready for a January sale should a club come calling.
[quote][p][bold]WiseOldSeagull[/bold] wrote: It's positive news if Southampton are in for Leo also. This way the price will go up. Who knows how many other teams are interested that we don't know about. I am resigned to the possibility that he will go now we know we are a Championship outfit again next season. Money talks and the player will want to get the best deal he can and play at the highest level possible. We have seen it so many times before. If the asking price is met he will be on his way. If it's not we may have a disgruntled player on our books. All the while premier clubs are showing interest we will probably lose out unless Leo is one of the few players around that are loyal to a philosophy.[/p][/quote]From just a view point of making money, could Ulloa be worth more in the January window rather than now, assuming he continues to score goals. Come January there will be clubs in the prem fearful of relegation, they might pay a big price to get a goal scorer, even if he hasn't been tested at the top level. Today 6 or 7 million, January, who knows if a real bidding war gets going, and at least we would have had half a season of his goals. Right now there isn't any other bid on the table other than that of Leicester for Leo, just rumours and they aint worth zip, you can't bank a rumour. I would like to see us offer Leo a new 5 year deal with his wages set at the highest figure we can allow, and add in a 10 million release clause, have him ready for a January sale should a club come calling. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

4:40pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Neville says...

If Southampton come calling then it has to be 10m with all the money they are currently banking on players.
If Southampton come calling then it has to be 10m with all the money they are currently banking on players. Neville
  • Score: 2

5:18pm Mon 2 Jun 14

WiseOldSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
WiseOldSeagull wrote:
It's positive news if Southampton are in for Leo also. This way the price will go up. Who knows how many other teams are interested that we don't know about. I am resigned to the possibility that he will go now we know we are a Championship outfit again next season. Money talks and the player will want to get the best deal he can and play at the highest level possible. We have seen it so many times before. If the asking price is met he will be on his way. If it's not we may have a disgruntled player on our books. All the while premier clubs are showing interest we will probably lose out unless Leo is one of the few players around that are loyal to a philosophy.
From just a view point of making money, could Ulloa be worth more in the January window rather than now, assuming he continues to score goals. Come January there will be clubs in the prem fearful of relegation, they might pay a big price to get a goal scorer, even if he hasn't been tested at the top level. Today 6 or 7 million, January, who knows if a real bidding war gets going, and at least we would have had half a season of his goals.

Right now there isn't any other bid on the table other than that of Leicester for Leo, just rumours and they aint worth zip, you can't bank a rumour. I would like to see us offer Leo a new 5 year deal with his wages set at the highest figure we can allow, and add in a 10 million release clause, have him ready for a January sale should a club come calling.
That would be nice. Unfortunately the players head could already be turned given interest from at least two EPL clubs. Your view doesn't take into consideration the wants and desires of Leo himself. His agent will be making sure he gets the move to the EPL. If he's a decent agent he may well see things your way and could convince Leo to stay another 6 months. Lets hope so, but it would depend very much on what the agent and player believe we can achieve in the coming six months. And that depends on the budget, the manager and the players bought in. But do we have time to get all that in place before he makes his move?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WiseOldSeagull[/bold] wrote: It's positive news if Southampton are in for Leo also. This way the price will go up. Who knows how many other teams are interested that we don't know about. I am resigned to the possibility that he will go now we know we are a Championship outfit again next season. Money talks and the player will want to get the best deal he can and play at the highest level possible. We have seen it so many times before. If the asking price is met he will be on his way. If it's not we may have a disgruntled player on our books. All the while premier clubs are showing interest we will probably lose out unless Leo is one of the few players around that are loyal to a philosophy.[/p][/quote]From just a view point of making money, could Ulloa be worth more in the January window rather than now, assuming he continues to score goals. Come January there will be clubs in the prem fearful of relegation, they might pay a big price to get a goal scorer, even if he hasn't been tested at the top level. Today 6 or 7 million, January, who knows if a real bidding war gets going, and at least we would have had half a season of his goals. Right now there isn't any other bid on the table other than that of Leicester for Leo, just rumours and they aint worth zip, you can't bank a rumour. I would like to see us offer Leo a new 5 year deal with his wages set at the highest figure we can allow, and add in a 10 million release clause, have him ready for a January sale should a club come calling.[/p][/quote]That would be nice. Unfortunately the players head could already be turned given interest from at least two EPL clubs. Your view doesn't take into consideration the wants and desires of Leo himself. His agent will be making sure he gets the move to the EPL. If he's a decent agent he may well see things your way and could convince Leo to stay another 6 months. Lets hope so, but it would depend very much on what the agent and player believe we can achieve in the coming six months. And that depends on the budget, the manager and the players bought in. But do we have time to get all that in place before he makes his move? WiseOldSeagull
  • Score: 0

5:23pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Baldseagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
WiseOldSeagull wrote:
It's positive news if Southampton are in for Leo also. This way the price will go up. Who knows how many other teams are interested that we don't know about. I am resigned to the possibility that he will go now we know we are a Championship outfit again next season. Money talks and the player will want to get the best deal he can and play at the highest level possible. We have seen it so many times before. If the asking price is met he will be on his way. If it's not we may have a disgruntled player on our books. All the while premier clubs are showing interest we will probably lose out unless Leo is one of the few players around that are loyal to a philosophy.
From just a view point of making money, could Ulloa be worth more in the January window rather than now, assuming he continues to score goals. Come January there will be clubs in the prem fearful of relegation, they might pay a big price to get a goal scorer, even if he hasn't been tested at the top level. Today 6 or 7 million, January, who knows if a real bidding war gets going, and at least we would have had half a season of his goals.

Right now there isn't any other bid on the table other than that of Leicester for Leo, just rumours and they aint worth zip, you can't bank a rumour. I would like to see us offer Leo a new 5 year deal with his wages set at the highest figure we can allow, and add in a 10 million release clause, have him ready for a January sale should a club come calling.
In the interests of making money, you think it is a good idea to offer a player under contract for two more years a wage increase and a 3 year extension, and then sell him in January?
In January, who knows if Leo will be fit, or if any club with funds will need him?

I hope we don't do any deal until the new Manager is in place, but if we have an offer that allows us to get in a decent replacement and fill other positions with quality too, do the deal now.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WiseOldSeagull[/bold] wrote: It's positive news if Southampton are in for Leo also. This way the price will go up. Who knows how many other teams are interested that we don't know about. I am resigned to the possibility that he will go now we know we are a Championship outfit again next season. Money talks and the player will want to get the best deal he can and play at the highest level possible. We have seen it so many times before. If the asking price is met he will be on his way. If it's not we may have a disgruntled player on our books. All the while premier clubs are showing interest we will probably lose out unless Leo is one of the few players around that are loyal to a philosophy.[/p][/quote]From just a view point of making money, could Ulloa be worth more in the January window rather than now, assuming he continues to score goals. Come January there will be clubs in the prem fearful of relegation, they might pay a big price to get a goal scorer, even if he hasn't been tested at the top level. Today 6 or 7 million, January, who knows if a real bidding war gets going, and at least we would have had half a season of his goals. Right now there isn't any other bid on the table other than that of Leicester for Leo, just rumours and they aint worth zip, you can't bank a rumour. I would like to see us offer Leo a new 5 year deal with his wages set at the highest figure we can allow, and add in a 10 million release clause, have him ready for a January sale should a club come calling.[/p][/quote]In the interests of making money, you think it is a good idea to offer a player under contract for two more years a wage increase and a 3 year extension, and then sell him in January? In January, who knows if Leo will be fit, or if any club with funds will need him? I hope we don't do any deal until the new Manager is in place, but if we have an offer that allows us to get in a decent replacement and fill other positions with quality too, do the deal now. Baldseagull
  • Score: 5

6:17pm Mon 2 Jun 14

mikeygit says...

It really beggars belief that this article-DATED 22nd MAY---is being re--hashed with NEGATIVE news!!! I would rather have NO news or news of something that HAS happened. IF Ulloa does go THEN let us know when a deal is done. Same as new Manager--the board is keeping quiet on possibilities to try and stop rumour--I suspect--and yet The Argus is fueling the debate. We want POSITIVE news if it is possible NOT what players of ours may move on. We want news of GOOD players who have a good possibility of joining BHA. UTA I hate rumour---usually wrong anyway.
It really beggars belief that this article-DATED 22nd MAY---is being re--hashed with NEGATIVE news!!! I would rather have NO news or news of something that HAS happened. IF Ulloa does go THEN let us know when a deal is done. Same as new Manager--the board is keeping quiet on possibilities to try and stop rumour--I suspect--and yet The Argus is fueling the debate. We want POSITIVE news if it is possible NOT what players of ours may move on. We want news of GOOD players who have a good possibility of joining BHA. UTA I hate rumour---usually wrong anyway. mikeygit
  • Score: 3

7:38pm Mon 2 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Baldseagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
WiseOldSeagull wrote:
It's positive news if Southampton are in for Leo also. This way the price will go up. Who knows how many other teams are interested that we don't know about. I am resigned to the possibility that he will go now we know we are a Championship outfit again next season. Money talks and the player will want to get the best deal he can and play at the highest level possible. We have seen it so many times before. If the asking price is met he will be on his way. If it's not we may have a disgruntled player on our books. All the while premier clubs are showing interest we will probably lose out unless Leo is one of the few players around that are loyal to a philosophy.
From just a view point of making money, could Ulloa be worth more in the January window rather than now, assuming he continues to score goals. Come January there will be clubs in the prem fearful of relegation, they might pay a big price to get a goal scorer, even if he hasn't been tested at the top level. Today 6 or 7 million, January, who knows if a real bidding war gets going, and at least we would have had half a season of his goals.

Right now there isn't any other bid on the table other than that of Leicester for Leo, just rumours and they aint worth zip, you can't bank a rumour. I would like to see us offer Leo a new 5 year deal with his wages set at the highest figure we can allow, and add in a 10 million release clause, have him ready for a January sale should a club come calling.
In the interests of making money, you think it is a good idea to offer a player under contract for two more years a wage increase and a 3 year extension, and then sell him in January?
In January, who knows if Leo will be fit, or if any club with funds will need him?

I hope we don't do any deal until the new Manager is in place, but if we have an offer that allows us to get in a decent replacement and fill other positions with quality too, do the deal now.
I would be happy with Leo staying a further 5 years, even if we do have to up his wages, if bids didn't comer in January. I would also be happy with 10 million after he has banged in a dozen goals, or more, come the end of the year.
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WiseOldSeagull[/bold] wrote: It's positive news if Southampton are in for Leo also. This way the price will go up. Who knows how many other teams are interested that we don't know about. I am resigned to the possibility that he will go now we know we are a Championship outfit again next season. Money talks and the player will want to get the best deal he can and play at the highest level possible. We have seen it so many times before. If the asking price is met he will be on his way. If it's not we may have a disgruntled player on our books. All the while premier clubs are showing interest we will probably lose out unless Leo is one of the few players around that are loyal to a philosophy.[/p][/quote]From just a view point of making money, could Ulloa be worth more in the January window rather than now, assuming he continues to score goals. Come January there will be clubs in the prem fearful of relegation, they might pay a big price to get a goal scorer, even if he hasn't been tested at the top level. Today 6 or 7 million, January, who knows if a real bidding war gets going, and at least we would have had half a season of his goals. Right now there isn't any other bid on the table other than that of Leicester for Leo, just rumours and they aint worth zip, you can't bank a rumour. I would like to see us offer Leo a new 5 year deal with his wages set at the highest figure we can allow, and add in a 10 million release clause, have him ready for a January sale should a club come calling.[/p][/quote]In the interests of making money, you think it is a good idea to offer a player under contract for two more years a wage increase and a 3 year extension, and then sell him in January? In January, who knows if Leo will be fit, or if any club with funds will need him? I hope we don't do any deal until the new Manager is in place, but if we have an offer that allows us to get in a decent replacement and fill other positions with quality too, do the deal now.[/p][/quote]I would be happy with Leo staying a further 5 years, even if we do have to up his wages, if bids didn't comer in January. I would also be happy with 10 million after he has banged in a dozen goals, or more, come the end of the year. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

7:55pm Mon 2 Jun 14

ringtone says...

Once contact is made by southampton he will be gone like a shot.

No tears from me, no way is he in the class of Bobby z who could make his own goals.

Lets get the Leicester lad we had on loan and start buying British.

And get Murray back.

UTA
Once contact is made by southampton he will be gone like a shot. No tears from me, no way is he in the class of Bobby z who could make his own goals. Lets get the Leicester lad we had on loan and start buying British. And get Murray back. UTA ringtone
  • Score: 0

8:16pm Mon 2 Jun 14

gordongull says...

No-one else seems to have considered Chris Powell, Hovite, but he is definitely worth a mention.

Powell won the 1st Division, and followed that with 9th place in the Championship, missing the top six by only 4 points, in season 2012-2013.
Powell had players imposed on him on a scale unheard of during Oscar's time here. The writing was on the wall when he refused to play a 'keeper that the new owner brought in. A man with principles. (Powell, not the new owner).
His replacement, Jose Riga is a name I have put forward before as worth a look. Loads of experience in Europe, but more importantly, steered Charlton well clear of relegation with an impressive run during his 16 games in charge. It looks like he is about to be revealed as the new Manager at Blackpool.
If Chris Powell was to become our new Manager, I could live with that.
No-one else seems to have considered Chris Powell, Hovite, but he is definitely worth a mention. Powell won the 1st Division, and followed that with 9th place in the Championship, missing the top six by only 4 points, in season 2012-2013. Powell had players imposed on him on a scale unheard of during Oscar's time here. The writing was on the wall when he refused to play a 'keeper that the new owner brought in. A man with principles. (Powell, not the new owner). His replacement, Jose Riga is a name I have put forward before as worth a look. Loads of experience in Europe, but more importantly, steered Charlton well clear of relegation with an impressive run during his 16 games in charge. It looks like he is about to be revealed as the new Manager at Blackpool. If Chris Powell was to become our new Manager, I could live with that. gordongull
  • Score: -1

8:40pm Mon 2 Jun 14

ringtone says...

gordongull wrote:
No-one else seems to have considered Chris Powell, Hovite, but he is definitely worth a mention.

Powell won the 1st Division, and followed that with 9th place in the Championship, missing the top six by only 4 points, in season 2012-2013.
Powell had players imposed on him on a scale unheard of during Oscar's time here. The writing was on the wall when he refused to play a 'keeper that the new owner brought in. A man with principles. (Powell, not the new owner).
His replacement, Jose Riga is a name I have put forward before as worth a look. Loads of experience in Europe, but more importantly, steered Charlton well clear of relegation with an impressive run during his 16 games in charge. It looks like he is about to be revealed as the new Manager at Blackpool.
If Chris Powell was to become our new Manager, I could live with that.
I hoped you were talking about chris and not Hope.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: No-one else seems to have considered Chris Powell, Hovite, but he is definitely worth a mention. Powell won the 1st Division, and followed that with 9th place in the Championship, missing the top six by only 4 points, in season 2012-2013. Powell had players imposed on him on a scale unheard of during Oscar's time here. The writing was on the wall when he refused to play a 'keeper that the new owner brought in. A man with principles. (Powell, not the new owner). His replacement, Jose Riga is a name I have put forward before as worth a look. Loads of experience in Europe, but more importantly, steered Charlton well clear of relegation with an impressive run during his 16 games in charge. It looks like he is about to be revealed as the new Manager at Blackpool. If Chris Powell was to become our new Manager, I could live with that.[/p][/quote]I hoped you were talking about chris and not Hope. ringtone
  • Score: 0

8:43pm Mon 2 Jun 14

ringtone says...

If he does move to the premiership he will have to lose some body fat, check the photo.
If he does move to the premiership he will have to lose some body fat, check the photo. ringtone
  • Score: -2

9:19pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

ringtone wrote:
gordongull wrote:
No-one else seems to have considered Chris Powell, Hovite, but he is definitely worth a mention.

Powell won the 1st Division, and followed that with 9th place in the Championship, missing the top six by only 4 points, in season 2012-2013.
Powell had players imposed on him on a scale unheard of during Oscar's time here. The writing was on the wall when he refused to play a 'keeper that the new owner brought in. A man with principles. (Powell, not the new owner).
His replacement, Jose Riga is a name I have put forward before as worth a look. Loads of experience in Europe, but more importantly, steered Charlton well clear of relegation with an impressive run during his 16 games in charge. It looks like he is about to be revealed as the new Manager at Blackpool.
If Chris Powell was to become our new Manager, I could live with that.
I hoped you were talking about chris and not Hope.
Hope Powell is a bl00dy good coach. It's about time a woman was given a coaching job in men's football.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: No-one else seems to have considered Chris Powell, Hovite, but he is definitely worth a mention. Powell won the 1st Division, and followed that with 9th place in the Championship, missing the top six by only 4 points, in season 2012-2013. Powell had players imposed on him on a scale unheard of during Oscar's time here. The writing was on the wall when he refused to play a 'keeper that the new owner brought in. A man with principles. (Powell, not the new owner). His replacement, Jose Riga is a name I have put forward before as worth a look. Loads of experience in Europe, but more importantly, steered Charlton well clear of relegation with an impressive run during his 16 games in charge. It looks like he is about to be revealed as the new Manager at Blackpool. If Chris Powell was to become our new Manager, I could live with that.[/p][/quote]I hoped you were talking about chris and not Hope.[/p][/quote]Hope Powell is a bl00dy good coach. It's about time a woman was given a coaching job in men's football. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

10:57pm Mon 2 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
ringtone wrote:
gordongull wrote:
No-one else seems to have considered Chris Powell, Hovite, but he is definitely worth a mention.

Powell won the 1st Division, and followed that with 9th place in the Championship, missing the top six by only 4 points, in season 2012-2013.
Powell had players imposed on him on a scale unheard of during Oscar's time here. The writing was on the wall when he refused to play a 'keeper that the new owner brought in. A man with principles. (Powell, not the new owner).
His replacement, Jose Riga is a name I have put forward before as worth a look. Loads of experience in Europe, but more importantly, steered Charlton well clear of relegation with an impressive run during his 16 games in charge. It looks like he is about to be revealed as the new Manager at Blackpool.
If Chris Powell was to become our new Manager, I could live with that.
I hoped you were talking about chris and not Hope.
Hope Powell is a bl00dy good coach. It's about time a woman was given a coaching job in men's football.
Helena Costa recently became the first woman ever to manage a team in the top divisions of the men's professional game, (If you don't count Cheri Lunghi)
Hope Powell was linked with the Grimsby job in 2009. She led the women's National Team to the final of the 2009 European Championship,but after the debacle at Euro 2013, she is unlikely to be considered for a position in the men's game again.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: No-one else seems to have considered Chris Powell, Hovite, but he is definitely worth a mention. Powell won the 1st Division, and followed that with 9th place in the Championship, missing the top six by only 4 points, in season 2012-2013. Powell had players imposed on him on a scale unheard of during Oscar's time here. The writing was on the wall when he refused to play a 'keeper that the new owner brought in. A man with principles. (Powell, not the new owner). His replacement, Jose Riga is a name I have put forward before as worth a look. Loads of experience in Europe, but more importantly, steered Charlton well clear of relegation with an impressive run during his 16 games in charge. It looks like he is about to be revealed as the new Manager at Blackpool. If Chris Powell was to become our new Manager, I could live with that.[/p][/quote]I hoped you were talking about chris and not Hope.[/p][/quote]Hope Powell is a bl00dy good coach. It's about time a woman was given a coaching job in men's football.[/p][/quote]Helena Costa recently became the first woman ever to manage a team in the top divisions of the men's professional game, (If you don't count Cheri Lunghi) Hope Powell was linked with the Grimsby job in 2009. She led the women's National Team to the final of the 2009 European Championship,but after the debacle at Euro 2013, she is unlikely to be considered for a position in the men's game again. gordongull
  • Score: 1

11:24pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Failure doesn't seem to stop male managers getting job after job after job... :-)
Failure doesn't seem to stop male managers getting job after job after job... :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 5

7:59am Tue 3 Jun 14

Sheil says...

OMG Argus this virtually all old hat!

Pathetic still showing OLD posts from Thursday etc.,

Have you no better to offer us? We are all so keen for "BIG NEWS".
OMG Argus this virtually all old hat! Pathetic still showing OLD posts from Thursday etc., Have you no better to offer us? We are all so keen for "BIG NEWS". Sheil
  • Score: -2

12:43pm Tue 3 Jun 14

tinker111 says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Am I alone in thinking that this is a pretty shoddy way for the Argus to reflect the Ulloa story rather than going mainline and writing an update from a local perspective?
Given this and recent absences of comment from the likes of TB, does anyone know if The Argus are Persona non Grata at The Amex at the moment?
And by the way, it's a question, not an accusation....
so rite about Argus and the club SS of the south .
Fan's you have been sharfted now you supporters wait wait wait til you are given club tit bit's
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Am I alone in thinking that this is a pretty shoddy way for the Argus to reflect the Ulloa story rather than going mainline and writing an update from a local perspective? Given this and recent absences of comment from the likes of TB, does anyone know if The Argus are Persona non Grata at The Amex at the moment? And by the way, it's a question, not an accusation....[/p][/quote]so rite about Argus and the club SS of the south . Fan's you have been sharfted now you supporters wait wait wait til you are given club tit bit's tinker111
  • Score: -2

12:52pm Tue 3 Jun 14

tinker111 says...

tinker111 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Am I alone in thinking that this is a pretty shoddy way for the Argus to reflect the Ulloa story rather than going mainline and writing an update from a local perspective?
Given this and recent absences of comment from the likes of TB, does anyone know if The Argus are Persona non Grata at The Amex at the moment?
And by the way, it's a question, not an accusation....
so rite about Argus and the club SS of the south .
Fan's you have been sharfted now you supporters wait wait wait til you are given club tit bit's
PS forgot to say Thought this post was our best keeper going to Arsonal yes our best keeper and should have been back up to TK all last season NOT the other plonkers .
No doubt if fee is involved then he will be gone money comes first at Albion
[quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Am I alone in thinking that this is a pretty shoddy way for the Argus to reflect the Ulloa story rather than going mainline and writing an update from a local perspective? Given this and recent absences of comment from the likes of TB, does anyone know if The Argus are Persona non Grata at The Amex at the moment? And by the way, it's a question, not an accusation....[/p][/quote]so rite about Argus and the club SS of the south . Fan's you have been sharfted now you supporters wait wait wait til you are given club tit bit's[/p][/quote]PS forgot to say Thought this post was our best keeper going to Arsonal yes our best keeper and should have been back up to TK all last season NOT the other plonkers . No doubt if fee is involved then he will be gone money comes first at Albion tinker111
  • Score: -6

12:14pm Fri 6 Jun 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Claude Back wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Sussex J wrote:
This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows;

Tim Sherwood 2/1
Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7

Chris Hughton 9/4
Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?)

Paul Clement 3/1
Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club

Neil Lennon 10/1
Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic)

Glen Hoddle 12/1
Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention.

Michael Appleton 16/1
Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer

Nathan Jones 16/1
Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him.

Ralf Rangnick 16/1
Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg

Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as
Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour)
Zola 33/1
Martin O'Neill 33/1
Neil Warncok 33/1
Steve Clarke 33/1
Curbishley 40/1
Eddie Howe 40/1
Malky Mackay 40/1
Laudrup 40/1
Freedman 50/1
Brian McDermott 66/1
Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1
With Gary Neville still uncertain about his future at Man United, I wouldn't completely rule him out, but I would admit it's an unlikely appointment. I would think Neville's best chance would be if Hoddle got the job and looked to him as his assistant.
Surely you mean Phil as Gary Neville is a Sky pundit and doing it very well. Having said that Gary would probably make a good manager but I cannot see that happening.
Wow! Gary Neville - that would be interesting although probably Sky is a more attractive job. Just think it might be an interesting relationship with Gary Reporting to David Burke since Gary seems well trained at calling 'a spade a shovel'!
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex J[/bold] wrote: This is just out of interest and doesn't provide any extra insight but on the basis of the best odds available the betting on our next manager is currently as follows; Tim Sherwood 2/1 Would the Board be nervous about appointing him even if they could get him? Has been weakening in the market from his early odds of 1/7 Chris Hughton 9/4 Seems to divide opinion on here although he has managed to get teams out of the Championship before. His odds are shortening but possibly purely as a result of what he has said about being prepared to drop into the Championship (would a PL club come in for him anyway?) Paul Clement 3/1 Would be an intriguing choice. Is he the reason why we are not seeing any developments at the moment? Presumably the Board would need to wait until after Champions League before making any move for him. Fits the TB mould and could be good for overseeing development through the club Neil Lennon 10/1 Would probably be a popular appointment but seems destined for Norwich (at least according to the bookmakers and Norwich themselves have indicated that they are close to making an appointment, with him just having stepped down at Cletic) Glen Hoddle 12/1 Needs no introduction. Highly regarded as a coach even though out of the game for a long time. He would certainly attract media attention. Michael Appleton 16/1 Recently sacked from Blackburn after only 67 days and relegated with a financially troubled Portsmouth. Surprised the odds are not much longer Nathan Jones 16/1 Again needs no introduction. Would be an unpopular appointment and can't see the Board going for him. Ralf Rangnick 16/1 Not being mentioned on this site. Managed Schalke in the German League with some success but stepped down for health reasons in 2011. Currently sporting director at RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg Loads of others in the betting with some notables such as Gus Poyet 33/1 (Sky Bet obiously have a sense of humour) Zola 33/1 Martin O'Neill 33/1 Neil Warncok 33/1 Steve Clarke 33/1 Curbishley 40/1 Eddie Howe 40/1 Malky Mackay 40/1 Laudrup 40/1 Freedman 50/1 Brian McDermott 66/1 Our one and only Inigo Calderon 66/1[/p][/quote]With Gary Neville still uncertain about his future at Man United, I wouldn't completely rule him out, but I would admit it's an unlikely appointment. I would think Neville's best chance would be if Hoddle got the job and looked to him as his assistant.[/p][/quote]Surely you mean Phil as Gary Neville is a Sky pundit and doing it very well. Having said that Gary would probably make a good manager but I cannot see that happening.[/p][/quote]Wow! Gary Neville - that would be interesting although probably Sky is a more attractive job. Just think it might be an interesting relationship with Gary Reporting to David Burke since Gary seems well trained at calling 'a spade a shovel'! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 0

12:58pm Fri 6 Jun 14

pjwilk says...

As i said Hantz , Knees or Boomps-a-Daisey.
As i said Hantz , Knees or Boomps-a-Daisey. pjwilk
  • Score: -2

1:49pm Fri 6 Jun 14

mikeygit says...

Sorry--give me a thumbs down, not worried---but I dislike this type of reporting that Argus has got into---does no one any favours and it is news we already know so please do not re-hash it!! POINTLESS!!!
Sorry--give me a thumbs down, not worried---but I dislike this type of reporting that Argus has got into---does no one any favours and it is news we already know so please do not re-hash it!! POINTLESS!!! mikeygit
  • Score: 0

1:56pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Bish May Turn says...

Looks like Hyppia according to NSC.
Looks like Hyppia according to NSC. Bish May Turn
  • Score: 1

2:23pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Peteinblack says...

I posted about 25 minutes ago that, according to NSC, it was Hyppia!

Yet my post ha now disappeared.

This site is a shambles!
I posted about 25 minutes ago that, according to NSC, it was Hyppia! Yet my post ha now disappeared. This site is a shambles! Peteinblack
  • Score: 0

5:30pm Fri 6 Jun 14

tinker111 says...

bhafc11 wrote:
For the keeper, we could do worse than lucasz Fabianski! Just won the f.a cup and is a free agent!
how out of date are you signed for SWANS a week age you are about as out of date as club with HYYPIA TO ANNOUNCED AS MANAGER ON MONDAY THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL BOTTOM OF BARREL THINK OFF ALL THOSE PROPER MANAGERS WHO HAVE TURNED JOB DOWN
[quote][p][bold]bhafc11[/bold] wrote: For the keeper, we could do worse than lucasz Fabianski! Just won the f.a cup and is a free agent![/p][/quote]how out of date are you signed for SWANS a week age you are about as out of date as club with HYYPIA TO ANNOUNCED AS MANAGER ON MONDAY THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL BOTTOM OF BARREL THINK OFF ALL THOSE PROPER MANAGERS WHO HAVE TURNED JOB DOWN tinker111
  • Score: -2

6:53pm Fri 6 Jun 14

jimbo1234 says...

I am a loyal Albion fan but I don't care anymore !!!
I am a loyal Albion fan but I don't care anymore !!! jimbo1234
  • Score: 1

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