New Albion boss must build from the back

Matt Upson

Matt Upson

First published in Sport by , Chief sports reporter

Albion's next boss will have to rebuild from the back following the departure of player of the season Matt Upson to Premier League newcomers Leicester City.

The 35-year-old former England centre-half has signed a one-year deal with the Foxes which comes into force on July 1, once his existing 12-month contract with the Seagulls has expired.

Albion wanted to re-sign him but the lure of a final fling in the top flight was too good for Upson to turn down.

The Seagulls have already lost goalkeeper Tomasz Kuszczak and on-loan Wolves left-back Stephen Ward from the second-meanest defence in the Championship.

Right-back rivals Bruno and Inigo Calderon are both expected to agree new one-year deals but one of the first priorities for the successor to Oscar Garcia will be to plug the gaps in the centre of defence created by Upson’s move to the East Midlands and Adam El-Abd’s January sale to Bristol City.

Captain Gordon Greer and 22-year-old Lewis Dunk are now the only recognised first team central defenders, backed up by Latvian international development squad prospect Vitalijs Maksimenko, who spent the second half of the season on loan to Kilmarnock.

Upson, who played in the top flight for Arsenal, Birmingham, West Ham and Stoke, said: "I am really delighted. It is a great opportunity and something I am very grateful for.

"I played against them (Leicester) last season and I liked the way the team played and the intensity they had. Obviously it is a chance to play in the Premier League again which was something I have been striving to do since I stepped down into the Championship. From that point of view it is a great opportunity.

"I enjoyed last season and had a great time at Brighton but this was too good an opportunity to turn down."

Albion goalkeeping prospect Christian Walton is part of the England under 19's squad launching their elite round of qualification for July's European Championship against Montenegro at Walsall today (3pm).

Republic of Ireland under 18's goalkeeper Harry Doherty, released by Charlton, has been offered a one-year deal by the Seagulls after a week-long trial.

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5:58am Sat 24 May 14

AlanDuffy says...

Whoever makes the decisions on who to bring in and who to let go, seems to have got himself in a bit of a mess. We currently have one ( not very good) goalkeeper, one ageing and one developing centre back, two ageing and in Bruno's case, injury prone, right backs, one young, inexperienced and unproven left back , in midfield we look a little stronger, although we can only guess at when Crofts will be back, Stephens was injured, Agustien is a waste of space, JFC still to convince. Up front, it looks likely we may lose Ulloa and CMS is still to prove himself at this level, Buckley and Lua Lua are both injury prone and enigmatic at best. And to cap it all ,there's no-one in place to sort out the mess. So can we please get a manager in place, who understands and agrees to the financial constraints and is willing to work within the structure of the club ( which sadly in my view includes working with a Director of Football, or whatever his title is ), who is likely to stay for more than a season without throwing his toys out of the pram and we can then start to address the disjointed and transient nature of the squad. We need some stability, continuity and to build a strong unit, or "group", as they like to say now. If the season started tomorrow, I wouldn't hold out much hope for our chances.
Whoever makes the decisions on who to bring in and who to let go, seems to have got himself in a bit of a mess. We currently have one ( not very good) goalkeeper, one ageing and one developing centre back, two ageing and in Bruno's case, injury prone, right backs, one young, inexperienced and unproven left back , in midfield we look a little stronger, although we can only guess at when Crofts will be back, Stephens was injured, Agustien is a waste of space, JFC still to convince. Up front, it looks likely we may lose Ulloa and CMS is still to prove himself at this level, Buckley and Lua Lua are both injury prone and enigmatic at best. And to cap it all ,there's no-one in place to sort out the mess. So can we please get a manager in place, who understands and agrees to the financial constraints and is willing to work within the structure of the club ( which sadly in my view includes working with a Director of Football, or whatever his title is ), who is likely to stay for more than a season without throwing his toys out of the pram and we can then start to address the disjointed and transient nature of the squad. We need some stability, continuity and to build a strong unit, or "group", as they like to say now. If the season started tomorrow, I wouldn't hold out much hope for our chances. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 93

6:14am Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
Whoever makes the decisions on who to bring in and who to let go, seems to have got himself in a bit of a mess. We currently have one ( not very good) goalkeeper, one ageing and one developing centre back, two ageing and in Bruno's case, injury prone, right backs, one young, inexperienced and unproven left back , in midfield we look a little stronger, although we can only guess at when Crofts will be back, Stephens was injured, Agustien is a waste of space, JFC still to convince. Up front, it looks likely we may lose Ulloa and CMS is still to prove himself at this level, Buckley and Lua Lua are both injury prone and enigmatic at best. And to cap it all ,there's no-one in place to sort out the mess. So can we please get a manager in place, who understands and agrees to the financial constraints and is willing to work within the structure of the club ( which sadly in my view includes working with a Director of Football, or whatever his title is ), who is likely to stay for more than a season without throwing his toys out of the pram and we can then start to address the disjointed and transient nature of the squad. We need some stability, continuity and to build a strong unit, or "group", as they like to say now. If the season started tomorrow, I wouldn't hold out much hope for our chances.
Great post
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: Whoever makes the decisions on who to bring in and who to let go, seems to have got himself in a bit of a mess. We currently have one ( not very good) goalkeeper, one ageing and one developing centre back, two ageing and in Bruno's case, injury prone, right backs, one young, inexperienced and unproven left back , in midfield we look a little stronger, although we can only guess at when Crofts will be back, Stephens was injured, Agustien is a waste of space, JFC still to convince. Up front, it looks likely we may lose Ulloa and CMS is still to prove himself at this level, Buckley and Lua Lua are both injury prone and enigmatic at best. And to cap it all ,there's no-one in place to sort out the mess. So can we please get a manager in place, who understands and agrees to the financial constraints and is willing to work within the structure of the club ( which sadly in my view includes working with a Director of Football, or whatever his title is ), who is likely to stay for more than a season without throwing his toys out of the pram and we can then start to address the disjointed and transient nature of the squad. We need some stability, continuity and to build a strong unit, or "group", as they like to say now. If the season started tomorrow, I wouldn't hold out much hope for our chances.[/p][/quote]Great post mark by the sea
  • Score: 9

6:16am Sat 24 May 14

albionfan33 says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
Whoever makes the decisions on who to bring in and who to let go, seems to have got himself in a bit of a mess. We currently have one ( not very good) goalkeeper, one ageing and one developing centre back, two ageing and in Bruno's case, injury prone, right backs, one young, inexperienced and unproven left back , in midfield we look a little stronger, although we can only guess at when Crofts will be back, Stephens was injured, Agustien is a waste of space, JFC still to convince. Up front, it looks likely we may lose Ulloa and CMS is still to prove himself at this level, Buckley and Lua Lua are both injury prone and enigmatic at best. And to cap it all ,there's no-one in place to sort out the mess. So can we please get a manager in place, who understands and agrees to the financial constraints and is willing to work within the structure of the club ( which sadly in my view includes working with a Director of Football, or whatever his title is ), who is likely to stay for more than a season without throwing his toys out of the pram and we can then start to address the disjointed and transient nature of the squad. We need some stability, continuity and to build a strong unit, or "group", as they like to say now. If the season started tomorrow, I wouldn't hold out much hope for our chances.
good thing there are 3 months to get things sorted then ehh. and there is nothing wrong with having a clearout the squad is old and has failed twice when in position to go up. maybe we wont challenge this season maybe we will again but the squad needs replacing.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: Whoever makes the decisions on who to bring in and who to let go, seems to have got himself in a bit of a mess. We currently have one ( not very good) goalkeeper, one ageing and one developing centre back, two ageing and in Bruno's case, injury prone, right backs, one young, inexperienced and unproven left back , in midfield we look a little stronger, although we can only guess at when Crofts will be back, Stephens was injured, Agustien is a waste of space, JFC still to convince. Up front, it looks likely we may lose Ulloa and CMS is still to prove himself at this level, Buckley and Lua Lua are both injury prone and enigmatic at best. And to cap it all ,there's no-one in place to sort out the mess. So can we please get a manager in place, who understands and agrees to the financial constraints and is willing to work within the structure of the club ( which sadly in my view includes working with a Director of Football, or whatever his title is ), who is likely to stay for more than a season without throwing his toys out of the pram and we can then start to address the disjointed and transient nature of the squad. We need some stability, continuity and to build a strong unit, or "group", as they like to say now. If the season started tomorrow, I wouldn't hold out much hope for our chances.[/p][/quote]good thing there are 3 months to get things sorted then ehh. and there is nothing wrong with having a clearout the squad is old and has failed twice when in position to go up. maybe we wont challenge this season maybe we will again but the squad needs replacing. albionfan33
  • Score: 26

6:32am Sat 24 May 14

AlanDuffy says...

albionfan33 wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
Whoever makes the decisions on who to bring in and who to let go, seems to have got himself in a bit of a mess. We currently have one ( not very good) goalkeeper, one ageing and one developing centre back, two ageing and in Bruno's case, injury prone, right backs, one young, inexperienced and unproven left back , in midfield we look a little stronger, although we can only guess at when Crofts will be back, Stephens was injured, Agustien is a waste of space, JFC still to convince. Up front, it looks likely we may lose Ulloa and CMS is still to prove himself at this level, Buckley and Lua Lua are both injury prone and enigmatic at best. And to cap it all ,there's no-one in place to sort out the mess. So can we please get a manager in place, who understands and agrees to the financial constraints and is willing to work within the structure of the club ( which sadly in my view includes working with a Director of Football, or whatever his title is ), who is likely to stay for more than a season without throwing his toys out of the pram and we can then start to address the disjointed and transient nature of the squad. We need some stability, continuity and to build a strong unit, or "group", as they like to say now. If the season started tomorrow, I wouldn't hold out much hope for our chances.
good thing there are 3 months to get things sorted then ehh. and there is nothing wrong with having a clearout the squad is old and has failed twice when in position to go up. maybe we wont challenge this season maybe we will again but the squad needs replacing.
I agree - it's a good job we have 3 months, we need it. But if we don't appoint a manager and start rebuilding the squad, we will be left in the same position as we were last year - other teams stealing a march on us on terms of recruitment, no pre-season to speak of, and left resorting to desperate loan deals to try to fill gaps.
[quote][p][bold]albionfan33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: Whoever makes the decisions on who to bring in and who to let go, seems to have got himself in a bit of a mess. We currently have one ( not very good) goalkeeper, one ageing and one developing centre back, two ageing and in Bruno's case, injury prone, right backs, one young, inexperienced and unproven left back , in midfield we look a little stronger, although we can only guess at when Crofts will be back, Stephens was injured, Agustien is a waste of space, JFC still to convince. Up front, it looks likely we may lose Ulloa and CMS is still to prove himself at this level, Buckley and Lua Lua are both injury prone and enigmatic at best. And to cap it all ,there's no-one in place to sort out the mess. So can we please get a manager in place, who understands and agrees to the financial constraints and is willing to work within the structure of the club ( which sadly in my view includes working with a Director of Football, or whatever his title is ), who is likely to stay for more than a season without throwing his toys out of the pram and we can then start to address the disjointed and transient nature of the squad. We need some stability, continuity and to build a strong unit, or "group", as they like to say now. If the season started tomorrow, I wouldn't hold out much hope for our chances.[/p][/quote]good thing there are 3 months to get things sorted then ehh. and there is nothing wrong with having a clearout the squad is old and has failed twice when in position to go up. maybe we wont challenge this season maybe we will again but the squad needs replacing.[/p][/quote]I agree - it's a good job we have 3 months, we need it. But if we don't appoint a manager and start rebuilding the squad, we will be left in the same position as we were last year - other teams stealing a march on us on terms of recruitment, no pre-season to speak of, and left resorting to desperate loan deals to try to fill gaps. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 15

6:52am Sat 24 May 14

albionfan33 says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
albionfan33 wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
Whoever makes the decisions on who to bring in and who to let go, seems to have got himself in a bit of a mess. We currently have one ( not very good) goalkeeper, one ageing and one developing centre back, two ageing and in Bruno's case, injury prone, right backs, one young, inexperienced and unproven left back , in midfield we look a little stronger, although we can only guess at when Crofts will be back, Stephens was injured, Agustien is a waste of space, JFC still to convince. Up front, it looks likely we may lose Ulloa and CMS is still to prove himself at this level, Buckley and Lua Lua are both injury prone and enigmatic at best. And to cap it all ,there's no-one in place to sort out the mess. So can we please get a manager in place, who understands and agrees to the financial constraints and is willing to work within the structure of the club ( which sadly in my view includes working with a Director of Football, or whatever his title is ), who is likely to stay for more than a season without throwing his toys out of the pram and we can then start to address the disjointed and transient nature of the squad. We need some stability, continuity and to build a strong unit, or "group", as they like to say now. If the season started tomorrow, I wouldn't hold out much hope for our chances.
good thing there are 3 months to get things sorted then ehh. and there is nothing wrong with having a clearout the squad is old and has failed twice when in position to go up. maybe we wont challenge this season maybe we will again but the squad needs replacing.
I agree - it's a good job we have 3 months, we need it. But if we don't appoint a manager and start rebuilding the squad, we will be left in the same position as we were last year - other teams stealing a march on us on terms of recruitment, no pre-season to speak of, and left resorting to desperate loan deals to try to fill gaps.
i dont think its so bad this year. it all ended amicably with og i would imagine by mon-tues we will have a new fella in and he will have a fresh slate to work with. its not often you get to make a team in your own image from the get go as long as we show a bit of intent.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albionfan33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: Whoever makes the decisions on who to bring in and who to let go, seems to have got himself in a bit of a mess. We currently have one ( not very good) goalkeeper, one ageing and one developing centre back, two ageing and in Bruno's case, injury prone, right backs, one young, inexperienced and unproven left back , in midfield we look a little stronger, although we can only guess at when Crofts will be back, Stephens was injured, Agustien is a waste of space, JFC still to convince. Up front, it looks likely we may lose Ulloa and CMS is still to prove himself at this level, Buckley and Lua Lua are both injury prone and enigmatic at best. And to cap it all ,there's no-one in place to sort out the mess. So can we please get a manager in place, who understands and agrees to the financial constraints and is willing to work within the structure of the club ( which sadly in my view includes working with a Director of Football, or whatever his title is ), who is likely to stay for more than a season without throwing his toys out of the pram and we can then start to address the disjointed and transient nature of the squad. We need some stability, continuity and to build a strong unit, or "group", as they like to say now. If the season started tomorrow, I wouldn't hold out much hope for our chances.[/p][/quote]good thing there are 3 months to get things sorted then ehh. and there is nothing wrong with having a clearout the squad is old and has failed twice when in position to go up. maybe we wont challenge this season maybe we will again but the squad needs replacing.[/p][/quote]I agree - it's a good job we have 3 months, we need it. But if we don't appoint a manager and start rebuilding the squad, we will be left in the same position as we were last year - other teams stealing a march on us on terms of recruitment, no pre-season to speak of, and left resorting to desperate loan deals to try to fill gaps.[/p][/quote]i dont think its so bad this year. it all ended amicably with og i would imagine by mon-tues we will have a new fella in and he will have a fresh slate to work with. its not often you get to make a team in your own image from the get go as long as we show a bit of intent. albionfan33
  • Score: 8

7:00am Sat 24 May 14

AlanDuffy says...

albionfan33 wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
albionfan33 wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
Whoever makes the decisions on who to bring in and who to let go, seems to have got himself in a bit of a mess. We currently have one ( not very good) goalkeeper, one ageing and one developing centre back, two ageing and in Bruno's case, injury prone, right backs, one young, inexperienced and unproven left back , in midfield we look a little stronger, although we can only guess at when Crofts will be back, Stephens was injured, Agustien is a waste of space, JFC still to convince. Up front, it looks likely we may lose Ulloa and CMS is still to prove himself at this level, Buckley and Lua Lua are both injury prone and enigmatic at best. And to cap it all ,there's no-one in place to sort out the mess. So can we please get a manager in place, who understands and agrees to the financial constraints and is willing to work within the structure of the club ( which sadly in my view includes working with a Director of Football, or whatever his title is ), who is likely to stay for more than a season without throwing his toys out of the pram and we can then start to address the disjointed and transient nature of the squad. We need some stability, continuity and to build a strong unit, or "group", as they like to say now. If the season started tomorrow, I wouldn't hold out much hope for our chances.
good thing there are 3 months to get things sorted then ehh. and there is nothing wrong with having a clearout the squad is old and has failed twice when in position to go up. maybe we wont challenge this season maybe we will again but the squad needs replacing.
I agree - it's a good job we have 3 months, we need it. But if we don't appoint a manager and start rebuilding the squad, we will be left in the same position as we were last year - other teams stealing a march on us on terms of recruitment, no pre-season to speak of, and left resorting to desperate loan deals to try to fill gaps.
i dont think its so bad this year. it all ended amicably with og i would imagine by mon-tues we will have a new fella in and he will have a fresh slate to work with. its not often you get to make a team in your own image from the get go as long as we show a bit of intent.
Again, I agree. The sooner we get the new man in, he can start working with the club to recruit replacements and be ready for a full pre-season. Just don't want a repeat of last year.
[quote][p][bold]albionfan33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albionfan33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: Whoever makes the decisions on who to bring in and who to let go, seems to have got himself in a bit of a mess. We currently have one ( not very good) goalkeeper, one ageing and one developing centre back, two ageing and in Bruno's case, injury prone, right backs, one young, inexperienced and unproven left back , in midfield we look a little stronger, although we can only guess at when Crofts will be back, Stephens was injured, Agustien is a waste of space, JFC still to convince. Up front, it looks likely we may lose Ulloa and CMS is still to prove himself at this level, Buckley and Lua Lua are both injury prone and enigmatic at best. And to cap it all ,there's no-one in place to sort out the mess. So can we please get a manager in place, who understands and agrees to the financial constraints and is willing to work within the structure of the club ( which sadly in my view includes working with a Director of Football, or whatever his title is ), who is likely to stay for more than a season without throwing his toys out of the pram and we can then start to address the disjointed and transient nature of the squad. We need some stability, continuity and to build a strong unit, or "group", as they like to say now. If the season started tomorrow, I wouldn't hold out much hope for our chances.[/p][/quote]good thing there are 3 months to get things sorted then ehh. and there is nothing wrong with having a clearout the squad is old and has failed twice when in position to go up. maybe we wont challenge this season maybe we will again but the squad needs replacing.[/p][/quote]I agree - it's a good job we have 3 months, we need it. But if we don't appoint a manager and start rebuilding the squad, we will be left in the same position as we were last year - other teams stealing a march on us on terms of recruitment, no pre-season to speak of, and left resorting to desperate loan deals to try to fill gaps.[/p][/quote]i dont think its so bad this year. it all ended amicably with og i would imagine by mon-tues we will have a new fella in and he will have a fresh slate to work with. its not often you get to make a team in your own image from the get go as long as we show a bit of intent.[/p][/quote]Again, I agree. The sooner we get the new man in, he can start working with the club to recruit replacements and be ready for a full pre-season. Just don't want a repeat of last year. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 3

7:09am Sat 24 May 14

albionfan33 says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
albionfan33 wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
albionfan33 wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
Whoever makes the decisions on who to bring in and who to let go, seems to have got himself in a bit of a mess. We currently have one ( not very good) goalkeeper, one ageing and one developing centre back, two ageing and in Bruno's case, injury prone, right backs, one young, inexperienced and unproven left back , in midfield we look a little stronger, although we can only guess at when Crofts will be back, Stephens was injured, Agustien is a waste of space, JFC still to convince. Up front, it looks likely we may lose Ulloa and CMS is still to prove himself at this level, Buckley and Lua Lua are both injury prone and enigmatic at best. And to cap it all ,there's no-one in place to sort out the mess. So can we please get a manager in place, who understands and agrees to the financial constraints and is willing to work within the structure of the club ( which sadly in my view includes working with a Director of Football, or whatever his title is ), who is likely to stay for more than a season without throwing his toys out of the pram and we can then start to address the disjointed and transient nature of the squad. We need some stability, continuity and to build a strong unit, or "group", as they like to say now. If the season started tomorrow, I wouldn't hold out much hope for our chances.
good thing there are 3 months to get things sorted then ehh. and there is nothing wrong with having a clearout the squad is old and has failed twice when in position to go up. maybe we wont challenge this season maybe we will again but the squad needs replacing.
I agree - it's a good job we have 3 months, we need it. But if we don't appoint a manager and start rebuilding the squad, we will be left in the same position as we were last year - other teams stealing a march on us on terms of recruitment, no pre-season to speak of, and left resorting to desperate loan deals to try to fill gaps.
i dont think its so bad this year. it all ended amicably with og i would imagine by mon-tues we will have a new fella in and he will have a fresh slate to work with. its not often you get to make a team in your own image from the get go as long as we show a bit of intent.
Again, I agree. The sooner we get the new man in, he can start working with the club to recruit replacements and be ready for a full pre-season. Just don't want a repeat of last year.
what do you think we need? for me 1-2 gk depending on if walton can step up to number 2 3cbs 1 young rb 1 lb 1 attacking mf 1-2 wingers depending on buckley 2-3 cfs i would like to see both fryatt and amiobi here too
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albionfan33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albionfan33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: Whoever makes the decisions on who to bring in and who to let go, seems to have got himself in a bit of a mess. We currently have one ( not very good) goalkeeper, one ageing and one developing centre back, two ageing and in Bruno's case, injury prone, right backs, one young, inexperienced and unproven left back , in midfield we look a little stronger, although we can only guess at when Crofts will be back, Stephens was injured, Agustien is a waste of space, JFC still to convince. Up front, it looks likely we may lose Ulloa and CMS is still to prove himself at this level, Buckley and Lua Lua are both injury prone and enigmatic at best. And to cap it all ,there's no-one in place to sort out the mess. So can we please get a manager in place, who understands and agrees to the financial constraints and is willing to work within the structure of the club ( which sadly in my view includes working with a Director of Football, or whatever his title is ), who is likely to stay for more than a season without throwing his toys out of the pram and we can then start to address the disjointed and transient nature of the squad. We need some stability, continuity and to build a strong unit, or "group", as they like to say now. If the season started tomorrow, I wouldn't hold out much hope for our chances.[/p][/quote]good thing there are 3 months to get things sorted then ehh. and there is nothing wrong with having a clearout the squad is old and has failed twice when in position to go up. maybe we wont challenge this season maybe we will again but the squad needs replacing.[/p][/quote]I agree - it's a good job we have 3 months, we need it. But if we don't appoint a manager and start rebuilding the squad, we will be left in the same position as we were last year - other teams stealing a march on us on terms of recruitment, no pre-season to speak of, and left resorting to desperate loan deals to try to fill gaps.[/p][/quote]i dont think its so bad this year. it all ended amicably with og i would imagine by mon-tues we will have a new fella in and he will have a fresh slate to work with. its not often you get to make a team in your own image from the get go as long as we show a bit of intent.[/p][/quote]Again, I agree. The sooner we get the new man in, he can start working with the club to recruit replacements and be ready for a full pre-season. Just don't want a repeat of last year.[/p][/quote]what do you think we need? for me 1-2 gk depending on if walton can step up to number 2 3cbs 1 young rb 1 lb 1 attacking mf 1-2 wingers depending on buckley 2-3 cfs i would like to see both fryatt and amiobi here too albionfan33
  • Score: -4

7:19am Sat 24 May 14

Seagull96 says...

God please, if we only sign one player this summer, may it not be Shola Ameobi!
God please, if we only sign one player this summer, may it not be Shola Ameobi! Seagull96
  • Score: 9

7:31am Sat 24 May 14

college says...

Laudrup's settled with Swansea now, he will be in place here by Wednesday at the latest, Yet another one from Swansea.
Laudrup's settled with Swansea now, he will be in place here by Wednesday at the latest, Yet another one from Swansea. college
  • Score: 1

7:31am Sat 24 May 14

albionfan33 says...

Seagull96 wrote:
God please, if we only sign one player this summer, may it not be Shola Ameobi!
why not? he has good link up play strong on the ball in the championship he would be an asset for most clubs
[quote][p][bold]Seagull96[/bold] wrote: God please, if we only sign one player this summer, may it not be Shola Ameobi![/p][/quote]why not? he has good link up play strong on the ball in the championship he would be an asset for most clubs albionfan33
  • Score: -2

7:37am Sat 24 May 14

mikeygit says...

A little off subject--but I am disappointed that the ´promised´ ´talk to the fans´by Tony Bloom has seemed to have died a death for the time being. I would have thought that apart from getting a new manager addressing the fans should have also been one of Tonys priorities??
A little off subject--but I am disappointed that the ´promised´ ´talk to the fans´by Tony Bloom has seemed to have died a death for the time being. I would have thought that apart from getting a new manager addressing the fans should have also been one of Tonys priorities?? mikeygit
  • Score: 4

7:49am Sat 24 May 14

fansunited says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
albionfan33 wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
Whoever makes the decisions on who to bring in and who to let go, seems to have got himself in a bit of a mess. We currently have one ( not very good) goalkeeper, one ageing and one developing centre back, two ageing and in Bruno's case, injury prone, right backs, one young, inexperienced and unproven left back , in midfield we look a little stronger, although we can only guess at when Crofts will be back, Stephens was injured, Agustien is a waste of space, JFC still to convince. Up front, it looks likely we may lose Ulloa and CMS is still to prove himself at this level, Buckley and Lua Lua are both injury prone and enigmatic at best. And to cap it all ,there's no-one in place to sort out the mess. So can we please get a manager in place, who understands and agrees to the financial constraints and is willing to work within the structure of the club ( which sadly in my view includes working with a Director of Football, or whatever his title is ), who is likely to stay for more than a season without throwing his toys out of the pram and we can then start to address the disjointed and transient nature of the squad. We need some stability, continuity and to build a strong unit, or "groupAnd remind me where did we finish this season?
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albionfan33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: Whoever makes the decisions on who to bring in and who to let go, seems to have got himself in a bit of a mess. We currently have one ( not very good) goalkeeper, one ageing and one developing centre back, two ageing and in Bruno's case, injury prone, right backs, one young, inexperienced and unproven left back , in midfield we look a little stronger, although we can only guess at when Crofts will be back, Stephens was injured, Agustien is a waste of space, JFC still to convince. Up front, it looks likely we may lose Ulloa and CMS is still to prove himself at this level, Buckley and Lua Lua are both injury prone and enigmatic at best. And to cap it all ,there's no-one in place to sort out the mess. So can we please get a manager in place, who understands and agrees to the financial constraints and is willing to work within the structure of the club ( which sadly in my view includes working with a Director of Football, or whatever his title is ), who is likely to stay for more than a season without throwing his toys out of the pram and we can then start to address the disjointed and transient nature of the squad. We need some stability, continuity and to build a strong unit, or "groupAnd remind me where did we finish this season? fansunited
  • Score: -1

7:55am Sat 24 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Another story from The Argus based on nothing concrete from the club and the silence gets potentially more damaging by the day. The complete lack of any message gives the impression nothing is happening and while I'm sure that's not the case, those in charge are not exactly painting a picture of positivity. At the very least, there needs to be an update for re-assurance.
I've defended them regarding the departure of out of contract players who can't be forced to sign new deals if they don't want to, but as it stands, the squad has been vastly dis-assembled without any signal that we're on the verge of a new plan.
Someone said on here a few days ago that TB will have known OG was unhappy and would leave and that could be. So where was the contingency? Most pro-active clubs would have started sounding out candidates before OG left, but there's no sign that we were - or are - that far advanced. Surely if we were still on course for being 'Premier League ready" we would have been in a position to identify the man we wanted and he would've been convinced by our sales patter.
It would be bad enough if the squad was in need of nothing more than slight amendment, but the vast number of departures means massive work and the prep should be starting now - with the new man firmly in the loop.
My own deduction is that potential managers aren't convinced by the set up, are put off by the strength of the remaining squad and by the strategy to refresh it.
If I was told it was my responsibility to lead the team, but that I might not have the final word on who was in it, I think I'd be a little cautious.
Strangely, I do think the DOF set up can work, but the deafening silence suggests to me, that after two fallouts in as many seasons, the club is struggling to sell our version of it.
Another story from The Argus based on nothing concrete from the club and the silence gets potentially more damaging by the day. The complete lack of any message gives the impression nothing is happening and while I'm sure that's not the case, those in charge are not exactly painting a picture of positivity. At the very least, there needs to be an update for re-assurance. I've defended them regarding the departure of out of contract players who can't be forced to sign new deals if they don't want to, but as it stands, the squad has been vastly dis-assembled without any signal that we're on the verge of a new plan. Someone said on here a few days ago that TB will have known OG was unhappy and would leave and that could be. So where was the contingency? Most pro-active clubs would have started sounding out candidates before OG left, but there's no sign that we were - or are - that far advanced. Surely if we were still on course for being 'Premier League ready" we would have been in a position to identify the man we wanted and he would've been convinced by our sales patter. It would be bad enough if the squad was in need of nothing more than slight amendment, but the vast number of departures means massive work and the prep should be starting now - with the new man firmly in the loop. My own deduction is that potential managers aren't convinced by the set up, are put off by the strength of the remaining squad and by the strategy to refresh it. If I was told it was my responsibility to lead the team, but that I might not have the final word on who was in it, I think I'd be a little cautious. Strangely, I do think the DOF set up can work, but the deafening silence suggests to me, that after two fallouts in as many seasons, the club is struggling to sell our version of it. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 11

7:57am Sat 24 May 14

Quiterie says...

Yes, we've lost Kuzcasak, Upson and Ward, but these 3 would all have been on very good wages, so would have freed up a lot of spare money in our budget. Let's see who their replacements are before we judge. Upson did well but he's getting to the age where he'll pick up more and more niggly injuries. I very much doubt he'll play much for Leicester.
Yes, we've lost Kuzcasak, Upson and Ward, but these 3 would all have been on very good wages, so would have freed up a lot of spare money in our budget. Let's see who their replacements are before we judge. Upson did well but he's getting to the age where he'll pick up more and more niggly injuries. I very much doubt he'll play much for Leicester. Quiterie
  • Score: 6

8:00am Sat 24 May 14

Gazza by the sea says...

Time for the 'glass half full' brigade to deluge this site. The squad needed a major overhaul and lo - we now have at least 9 vacancies. Who's to say this isn't part of the master plan?

And Laudrup. Now there's the one name out of all that I've heard that would make me genuinely excited and outrageously over-optimistic about next season.
Time for the 'glass half full' brigade to deluge this site. The squad needed a major overhaul and lo - we now have at least 9 vacancies. Who's to say this isn't part of the master plan? And Laudrup. Now there's the one name out of all that I've heard that would make me genuinely excited and outrageously over-optimistic about next season. Gazza by the sea
  • Score: 2

8:05am Sat 24 May 14

mikeygit says...

DUFFY--my sentiments exactly--that is why we need TB to come out and address the PAYING fans who in fairness expect a little more from a man who has bought BHA to where they are today. As a true fan he should know the fans are champing at the bit to have some news or at least a statement of intent from the top man. Come on Tony do the business and have a chat with the fans PLEASE!!!???
DUFFY--my sentiments exactly--that is why we need TB to come out and address the PAYING fans who in fairness expect a little more from a man who has bought BHA to where they are today. As a true fan he should know the fans are champing at the bit to have some news or at least a statement of intent from the top man. Come on Tony do the business and have a chat with the fans PLEASE!!!??? mikeygit
  • Score: 5

8:09am Sat 24 May 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

iRobot208 says...

This is so funny like i said mths ago if more money came calling he would be off.Yet again im 100% correct yet again.Poyet wouldn't work with Dunk or JFC or would OG but the knew manager must lol.They are just looking for a yes man.

Eek ! It's back! Spouting £$%& as usual.
iRobot208 says... This is so funny like i said mths ago if more money came calling he would be off.Yet again im 100% correct yet again.Poyet wouldn't work with Dunk or JFC or would OG but the knew manager must lol.They are just looking for a yes man. Eek ! It's back! Spouting £$%& as usual. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: -3

8:11am Sat 24 May 14

OldGull says...

college wrote:
Laudrup's settled with Swansea now, he will be in place here by Wednesday at the latest, Yet another one from Swansea.
interesting shout, at 40-1 you ought to have a bet
[quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Laudrup's settled with Swansea now, he will be in place here by Wednesday at the latest, Yet another one from Swansea.[/p][/quote]interesting shout, at 40-1 you ought to have a bet OldGull
  • Score: 5

8:15am Sat 24 May 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

mikeygit says...

DUFFY--my sentiments exactly--that is why we need TB to come out and address the PAYING fans who in fairness expect a little more from a man who has bought BHA to where they are today. As a true fan he should know the fans are champing at the bit to have some news or at least a statement of intent from the top man. Come on Tony do the business and have a chat with the fans PLEASE!!!???

See where you're coming from but ultimately talk is cheap. Who the club appoint as manager and the quality of players the club sign in the summer will be a far greater statement of intent than any verbal announcements to the supporters..
mikeygit says... DUFFY--my sentiments exactly--that is why we need TB to come out and address the PAYING fans who in fairness expect a little more from a man who has bought BHA to where they are today. As a true fan he should know the fans are champing at the bit to have some news or at least a statement of intent from the top man. Come on Tony do the business and have a chat with the fans PLEASE!!!??? See where you're coming from but ultimately talk is cheap. Who the club appoint as manager and the quality of players the club sign in the summer will be a far greater statement of intent than any verbal announcements to the supporters.. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 8

8:15am Sat 24 May 14

OldGull says...

mikeygit wrote:
DUFFY--my sentiments exactly--that is why we need TB to come out and address the PAYING fans who in fairness expect a little more from a man who has bought BHA to where they are today. As a true fan he should know the fans are champing at the bit to have some news or at least a statement of intent from the top man. Come on Tony do the business and have a chat with the fans PLEASE!!!???
Am I missing the point?
TB did 2 interviews, did you not see/hear them?
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: DUFFY--my sentiments exactly--that is why we need TB to come out and address the PAYING fans who in fairness expect a little more from a man who has bought BHA to where they are today. As a true fan he should know the fans are champing at the bit to have some news or at least a statement of intent from the top man. Come on Tony do the business and have a chat with the fans PLEASE!!!???[/p][/quote]Am I missing the point? TB did 2 interviews, did you not see/hear them? OldGull
  • Score: 10

8:29am Sat 24 May 14

mikeygit says...

Sorry I was only aware of the BBC Local interview. If I missed the promised Áddress to the Fans¨ Then Sorry my mistake.--- will trawl through The Argus to see if I can locate it.
Sorry I was only aware of the BBC Local interview. If I missed the promised Áddress to the Fans¨ Then Sorry my mistake.--- will trawl through The Argus to see if I can locate it. mikeygit
  • Score: 3

8:39am Sat 24 May 14

mikeygit says...

OLD GULL---only interview I can locate is the one on Blooms take on Garcia leaving---with a promise to address the fans later---if you know different???
OLD GULL---only interview I can locate is the one on Blooms take on Garcia leaving---with a promise to address the fans later---if you know different??? mikeygit
  • Score: 2

8:40am Sat 24 May 14

ringtone says...

iRobot208 wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
iRobot208 says...

This is so funny like i said mths ago if more money came calling he would be off.Yet again im 100% correct yet again.Poyet wouldn't work with Dunk or JFC or would OG but the knew manager must lol.They are just looking for a yes man.

Eek ! It's back! Spouting £$%& as usual.
Then prove me wrong you sad little man.100% correct about Orlandi,100% correct about Hoskins,and 100% correct what Bridcutt and TK told me.Now name the top clubs and staff after your boy Dunk now on this site lol haha.I really mean give their names.Also why Hull,Swansea,Palace,

Fulham,WBA,Derbys,,a

nd the LCFC of the world are not making bids for your super boy lol haha.Plus why Poyet and OG are not calling it a great player lol.
Hi Robot, I remember reading an article, a couple of years ago,saying the Mighty Arsenal were interested in Lewis Dunk.

Do you think they might renew their interest now thet have finally won some silverware?

Or is it too early in the lads development.
[quote][p][bold]iRobot208[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: iRobot208 says... This is so funny like i said mths ago if more money came calling he would be off.Yet again im 100% correct yet again.Poyet wouldn't work with Dunk or JFC or would OG but the knew manager must lol.They are just looking for a yes man. Eek ! It's back! Spouting £$%& as usual.[/p][/quote]Then prove me wrong you sad little man.100% correct about Orlandi,100% correct about Hoskins,and 100% correct what Bridcutt and TK told me.Now name the top clubs and staff after your boy Dunk now on this site lol haha.I really mean give their names.Also why Hull,Swansea,Palace, Fulham,WBA,Derbys,,a nd the LCFC of the world are not making bids for your super boy lol haha.Plus why Poyet and OG are not calling it a great player lol.[/p][/quote]Hi Robot, I remember reading an article, a couple of years ago,saying the Mighty Arsenal were interested in Lewis Dunk. Do you think they might renew their interest now thet have finally won some silverware? Or is it too early in the lads development. ringtone
  • Score: -5

8:45am Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Quiterie wrote:
Yes, we've lost Kuzcasak, Upson and Ward, but these 3 would all have been on very good wages, so would have freed up a lot of spare money in our budget. Let's see who their replacements are before we judge. Upson did well but he's getting to the age where he'll pick up more and more niggly injuries. I very much doubt he'll play much for Leicester.
Are you happy our player of the year walked??
Upson should have been offered a deal in November , simple
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: Yes, we've lost Kuzcasak, Upson and Ward, but these 3 would all have been on very good wages, so would have freed up a lot of spare money in our budget. Let's see who their replacements are before we judge. Upson did well but he's getting to the age where he'll pick up more and more niggly injuries. I very much doubt he'll play much for Leicester.[/p][/quote]Are you happy our player of the year walked?? Upson should have been offered a deal in November , simple mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

8:50am Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

OldGull wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
DUFFY--my sentiments exactly--that is why we need TB to come out and address the PAYING fans who in fairness expect a little more from a man who has bought BHA to where they are today. As a true fan he should know the fans are champing at the bit to have some news or at least a statement of intent from the top man. Come on Tony do the business and have a chat with the fans PLEASE!!!???
Am I missing the point?
TB did 2 interviews, did you not see/hear them?
No only one
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: DUFFY--my sentiments exactly--that is why we need TB to come out and address the PAYING fans who in fairness expect a little more from a man who has bought BHA to where they are today. As a true fan he should know the fans are champing at the bit to have some news or at least a statement of intent from the top man. Come on Tony do the business and have a chat with the fans PLEASE!!!???[/p][/quote]Am I missing the point? TB did 2 interviews, did you not see/hear them?[/p][/quote]No only one mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

8:59am Sat 24 May 14

OldGull says...

mikeygit wrote:
OLD GULL---only interview I can locate is the one on Blooms take on Garcia leaving---with a promise to address the fans later---if you know different???
True, they split it in 2 parts
I was forgetting that
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: OLD GULL---only interview I can locate is the one on Blooms take on Garcia leaving---with a promise to address the fans later---if you know different???[/p][/quote]True, they split it in 2 parts I was forgetting that OldGull
  • Score: 1

9:02am Sat 24 May 14

rolivan says...

Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.
Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club. rolivan
  • Score: 4

9:13am Sat 24 May 14

To baldly go says...

Build from the back ROOM more like! What is going on at our club?
No manager, no money to spend by all accounts, we seem to be adrift with no captain imo. A manager needs to be appointed ASAP, but in a World Cup year the manager merry go round will be slow to start and all those managers without a club will be waiting until the last minute to see what options are out there, same for the players.
The last 18 months have shown that our wage structure is lower than most other champ teams, players are tempted by the stadium etc but when the offer is put on the table it's not been good enough! Do we budget to survive or budget to succeed, a hard choice! This season will be one to stabilize the ship as it were, get a young ambitious manager in, some more young talented players from other clubs, like we did with Ince from Chelsea and Monakana from Arsenal, look at lower div clubs and try to poach their best talent and restart the 5 year plan again imo. It will be frustrating yes, but then again it is the Albion, never a dull moment! UTA
Build from the back ROOM more like! What is going on at our club? No manager, no money to spend by all accounts, we seem to be adrift with no captain imo. A manager needs to be appointed ASAP, but in a World Cup year the manager merry go round will be slow to start and all those managers without a club will be waiting until the last minute to see what options are out there, same for the players. The last 18 months have shown that our wage structure is lower than most other champ teams, players are tempted by the stadium etc but when the offer is put on the table it's not been good enough! Do we budget to survive or budget to succeed, a hard choice! This season will be one to stabilize the ship as it were, get a young ambitious manager in, some more young talented players from other clubs, like we did with Ince from Chelsea and Monakana from Arsenal, look at lower div clubs and try to poach their best talent and restart the 5 year plan again imo. It will be frustrating yes, but then again it is the Albion, never a dull moment! UTA To baldly go
  • Score: -1

9:16am Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

rolivan wrote:
Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.
FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies!
900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.[/p][/quote]FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies! 900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it. mark by the sea
  • Score: -1

9:19am Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Gazza by the sea wrote:
Time for the 'glass half full' brigade to deluge this site. The squad needed a major overhaul and lo - we now have at least 9 vacancies. Who's to say this isn't part of the master plan?

And Laudrup. Now there's the one name out of all that I've heard that would make me genuinely excited and outrageously over-optimistic about next season.
What master plan could that be?? Starting with new manager and building a new squad with Burke in charge? Did we not do that 12 months ago? But retained players who are now in the premier league? That's not a great plan
[quote][p][bold]Gazza by the sea[/bold] wrote: Time for the 'glass half full' brigade to deluge this site. The squad needed a major overhaul and lo - we now have at least 9 vacancies. Who's to say this isn't part of the master plan? And Laudrup. Now there's the one name out of all that I've heard that would make me genuinely excited and outrageously over-optimistic about next season.[/p][/quote]What master plan could that be?? Starting with new manager and building a new squad with Burke in charge? Did we not do that 12 months ago? But retained players who are now in the premier league? That's not a great plan mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

9:21am Sat 24 May 14

Rhodes Seagull says...

Another week gone past and no word so I'm thinking (yes I no the wife tells me it's dangerous) 'Has the Chairman got another ace up his sleeve or is he just bluffing'?
According to the on-line STAR Leicester are plotting a £2million move for West Brom defender Craig Dawson. so the rest of our defenders are safe. I THINK!!!
Another week gone past and no word so I'm thinking (yes I no the wife tells me it's dangerous) 'Has the Chairman got another ace up his sleeve or is he just bluffing'? According to the on-line STAR Leicester are plotting a £2million move for West Brom defender Craig Dawson. so the rest of our defenders are safe. I THINK!!! Rhodes Seagull
  • Score: 0

9:23am Sat 24 May 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
Whoever makes the decisions on who to bring in and who to let go, seems to have got himself in a bit of a mess. We currently have one ( not very good) goalkeeper, one ageing and one developing centre back, two ageing and in Bruno's case, injury prone, right backs, one young, inexperienced and unproven left back , in midfield we look a little stronger, although we can only guess at when Crofts will be back, Stephens was injured, Agustien is a waste of space, JFC still to convince. Up front, it looks likely we may lose Ulloa and CMS is still to prove himself at this level, Buckley and Lua Lua are both injury prone and enigmatic at best. And to cap it all ,there's no-one in place to sort out the mess. So can we please get a manager in place, who understands and agrees to the financial constraints and is willing to work within the structure of the club ( which sadly in my view includes working with a Director of Football, or whatever his title is ), who is likely to stay for more than a season without throwing his toys out of the pram and we can then start to address the disjointed and transient nature of the squad. We need some stability, continuity and to build a strong unit, or "group", as they like to say now. If the season started tomorrow, I wouldn't hold out much hope for our chances.
Good post but don't overlook Rohan or the new signing Toko or Solly.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: Whoever makes the decisions on who to bring in and who to let go, seems to have got himself in a bit of a mess. We currently have one ( not very good) goalkeeper, one ageing and one developing centre back, two ageing and in Bruno's case, injury prone, right backs, one young, inexperienced and unproven left back , in midfield we look a little stronger, although we can only guess at when Crofts will be back, Stephens was injured, Agustien is a waste of space, JFC still to convince. Up front, it looks likely we may lose Ulloa and CMS is still to prove himself at this level, Buckley and Lua Lua are both injury prone and enigmatic at best. And to cap it all ,there's no-one in place to sort out the mess. So can we please get a manager in place, who understands and agrees to the financial constraints and is willing to work within the structure of the club ( which sadly in my view includes working with a Director of Football, or whatever his title is ), who is likely to stay for more than a season without throwing his toys out of the pram and we can then start to address the disjointed and transient nature of the squad. We need some stability, continuity and to build a strong unit, or "group", as they like to say now. If the season started tomorrow, I wouldn't hold out much hope for our chances.[/p][/quote]Good post but don't overlook Rohan or the new signing Toko or Solly. SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 1

9:23am Sat 24 May 14

9 of us says...

'that's it, I've cancelled my ST, me and 22 others are not paying' etc etc.
Boring boys & girls.
It's May and the Play offs have not even ended. We finish 10th, 4th and 6th in our 3 seasons at the Amex. Not bad given that your comments would of suggested that we were relegation material with a management set up that doesn't know what it's doing.
Following your team, attending matches is a life long journey. Yes it will have its ups and downs and you will have great times and awful times, however, true fans still attend, still pay their monies and do not post such utter nonsense as I quoted at the start of this thread.
I know as do most on this site that there are genuine fans and those that are simply spiteful and jealous. It's a fact of life.
Enjoy the Summer and lets see who comes in and above all remain positive.
UTA
'that's it, I've cancelled my ST, me and 22 others are not paying' etc etc. Boring boys & girls. It's May and the Play offs have not even ended. We finish 10th, 4th and 6th in our 3 seasons at the Amex. Not bad given that your comments would of suggested that we were relegation material with a management set up that doesn't know what it's doing. Following your team, attending matches is a life long journey. Yes it will have its ups and downs and you will have great times and awful times, however, true fans still attend, still pay their monies and do not post such utter nonsense as I quoted at the start of this thread. I know as do most on this site that there are genuine fans and those that are simply spiteful and jealous. It's a fact of life. Enjoy the Summer and lets see who comes in and above all remain positive. UTA 9 of us
  • Score: 16

9:25am Sat 24 May 14

Merdalf the Wizard says...

Morning to all, it's not very often I post, but I read the forum every day, and I must admit, there seems to be a lot of negativity on here recently.
I've worked in the world of football for a few years now (20+), I must admit only as a coach in Academies,developmen
t centers (satellite centers up here at Man City) and scout, so I don't profess to have the ear of every manager or player (unlike some)
I think a lot of players/managers will be weighing up their options at the moment, some contracts may not enter their final year till the end of the month so I would expect to not hear much about player movements till June !st. Personally I'd rather hear nothing than base an opinion on rumors someone heard from someone else who got it from his sisters brother-in-laws cleaner!
Granted, we have let a few players go, but as previously stated, they are getting on a bit (no offence to those players) short of Upson, I dont really think we'll miss them. We were in danger of having a very old squad and a major clear-out was always on the cards at some point.
The younger players will only ever develop to championship quality by being played in championship matches, Dunk, Solly, JFC and Ince, are all still young, and with the exception of Ince, have all made sporadic appearances for the club over the season and have all benefited.
Dunk has the hardest job of all, if he makes a mistake he hasn't got half a dozen players behind him to clear up, that's a pressure situation I wouldn't relish.
IMO give the youngsters time to develop in the situation they are going to be required to perform at, JFC and Solly are with England at the moment, so they can't be that bad! With new legislation regarding access to training sessions and academies you'll see less scouts at games now anyway, so you can rest assured that Dunk is still being monitored by clubs that were interested, just not with the same level of intensity!
I apologize if I've rambled on, but like I said, I rarely post, probably just as well lol
UTA
Morning to all, it's not very often I post, but I read the forum every day, and I must admit, there seems to be a lot of negativity on here recently. I've worked in the world of football for a few years now (20+), I must admit only as a coach in Academies,developmen t centers (satellite centers up here at Man City) and scout, so I don't profess to have the ear of every manager or player (unlike some) I think a lot of players/managers will be weighing up their options at the moment, some contracts may not enter their final year till the end of the month so I would expect to not hear much about player movements till June !st. Personally I'd rather hear nothing than base an opinion on rumors someone heard from someone else who got it from his sisters brother-in-laws cleaner! Granted, we have let a few players go, but as previously stated, they are getting on a bit (no offence to those players) short of Upson, I dont really think we'll miss them. We were in danger of having a very old squad and a major clear-out was always on the cards at some point. The younger players will only ever develop to championship quality by being played in championship matches, Dunk, Solly, JFC and Ince, are all still young, and with the exception of Ince, have all made sporadic appearances for the club over the season and have all benefited. Dunk has the hardest job of all, if he makes a mistake he hasn't got half a dozen players behind him to clear up, that's a pressure situation I wouldn't relish. IMO give the youngsters time to develop in the situation they are going to be required to perform at, JFC and Solly are with England at the moment, so they can't be that bad! With new legislation regarding access to training sessions and academies you'll see less scouts at games now anyway, so you can rest assured that Dunk is still being monitored by clubs that were interested, just not with the same level of intensity! I apologize if I've rambled on, but like I said, I rarely post, probably just as well lol UTA Merdalf the Wizard
  • Score: 24

9:37am Sat 24 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

Getting concerned with hearing about managers and players leaving and no decent replacements coming in. It is no exaggeration to say that we need to sign pretty much a new starting 11 if Ulloa and Buckley go as seems likely. This will require about 10 million quid to get the right quality. Ulloa should fetch a minimum 5 million, add that to the 3 million for Bridcutt in January plus Barnes then we should have at the very least 8 million raised from the squad to go back into the squad. At the moment it almost feels like we're operating under administration with players exiting and no one coming in bar the odd freebie. I do feel a bit disillusioned with things right now, please can the wheels be put in motion and restore a bit of faith. We still haven't even got a manager and it's getting worrying with the lack of any clear direction.
Getting concerned with hearing about managers and players leaving and no decent replacements coming in. It is no exaggeration to say that we need to sign pretty much a new starting 11 if Ulloa and Buckley go as seems likely. This will require about 10 million quid to get the right quality. Ulloa should fetch a minimum 5 million, add that to the 3 million for Bridcutt in January plus Barnes then we should have at the very least 8 million raised from the squad to go back into the squad. At the moment it almost feels like we're operating under administration with players exiting and no one coming in bar the odd freebie. I do feel a bit disillusioned with things right now, please can the wheels be put in motion and restore a bit of faith. We still haven't even got a manager and it's getting worrying with the lack of any clear direction. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 4

9:43am Sat 24 May 14

rolivan says...

mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.
FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies!
900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.
Define Good Players please
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.[/p][/quote]FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies! 900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.[/p][/quote]Define Good Players please rolivan
  • Score: 0

9:44am Sat 24 May 14

OldGull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.
FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies!
900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.
As I said before, you are so negative.
So you feel that 3 seasons at the Amex producing a 10th, 4th & 6th place
is failure?
We have several youngsters who have stepped up to the mark last season which bides well for the future
Daily Mail states that 900 players have been released by their clubs so plenty of scope to pick up some good talent.
TB has not let us down up to now , and I see no reason why we should doubt his intentions.
A surprise manager could be installed very soon with a budget to build his own team.
Me, I may be a rose tinted optimist, but I would rather be a happy fool than a depressed pessimist.
I know you are a real Brighton fan, so please chill. The season only ends today. There 2 months of building to be done. Starting very soon.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.[/p][/quote]FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies! 900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.[/p][/quote]As I said before, you are so negative. So you feel that 3 seasons at the Amex producing a 10th, 4th & 6th place is failure? We have several youngsters who have stepped up to the mark last season which bides well for the future Daily Mail states that 900 players have been released by their clubs so plenty of scope to pick up some good talent. TB has not let us down up to now , and I see no reason why we should doubt his intentions. A surprise manager could be installed very soon with a budget to build his own team. Me, I may be a rose tinted optimist, but I would rather be a happy fool than a depressed pessimist. I know you are a real Brighton fan, so please chill. The season only ends today. There 2 months of building to be done. Starting very soon. UTA OldGull
  • Score: 12

9:51am Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.
FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies!
900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.
Define Good Players please
Managers will define quality, and so will agents, bechio will have a dozen clubs wanting him, joe cole would if clubs can afford, Murray Zamora ..
Then we need experience with players who have done it at the highest level, upson ward TK , two of those we had and allowed to leave, your assuming Burke will find better for less money? Why.?
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.[/p][/quote]FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies! 900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.[/p][/quote]Define Good Players please[/p][/quote]Managers will define quality, and so will agents, bechio will have a dozen clubs wanting him, joe cole would if clubs can afford, Murray Zamora .. Then we need experience with players who have done it at the highest level, upson ward TK , two of those we had and allowed to leave, your assuming Burke will find better for less money? Why.? mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

10:02am Sat 24 May 14

lenward says...

I have said before, they are things going on at the club that we don't know about , and probably never will, but that is not to say they are really bad things .
But for two managers to leave in two seasons does start alarm bells ringing, and has I have said before the club need to come out and be truthful. I like to think the club is thinking long term and I know TB has the clubs best interest at heart, god knows he's put enough money into it.

On the subject of TB, if people really listened to the second part of the recent interviews, they would hear TB say he will take at least two weeks to make up his mind who to make the new manager. We must be more patient and think in the end the club will get it right.

Sorry to see M.Upson go, but can understand why given his age, good luck to him. UTA.
I have said before, they are things going on at the club that we don't know about , and probably never will, but that is not to say they are really bad things . But for two managers to leave in two seasons does start alarm bells ringing, and has I have said before the club need to come out and be truthful. I like to think the club is thinking long term and I know TB has the clubs best interest at heart, god knows he's put enough money into it. On the subject of TB, if people really listened to the second part of the recent interviews, they would hear TB say he will take at least two weeks to make up his mind who to make the new manager. We must be more patient and think in the end the club will get it right. Sorry to see M.Upson go, but can understand why given his age, good luck to him. UTA. lenward
  • Score: 4

10:10am Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

OldGull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.
FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies!
900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.
As I said before, you are so negative.
So you feel that 3 seasons at the Amex producing a 10th, 4th & 6th place
is failure?
We have several youngsters who have stepped up to the mark last season which bides well for the future
Daily Mail states that 900 players have been released by their clubs so plenty of scope to pick up some good talent.
TB has not let us down up to now , and I see no reason why we should doubt his intentions.
A surprise manager could be installed very soon with a budget to build his own team.
Me, I may be a rose tinted optimist, but I would rather be a happy fool than a depressed pessimist.
I know you are a real Brighton fan, so please chill. The season only ends today. There 2 months of building to be done. Starting very soon.
UTA
Your missing statements made by TB where he said the new coach/ manager will have the same role? OG left because his targets were not signed,
And Gus fell out because of Burke scuppering the purchase of van dyke.
Two managers same result in 12 months, coincidence?
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.[/p][/quote]FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies! 900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.[/p][/quote]As I said before, you are so negative. So you feel that 3 seasons at the Amex producing a 10th, 4th & 6th place is failure? We have several youngsters who have stepped up to the mark last season which bides well for the future Daily Mail states that 900 players have been released by their clubs so plenty of scope to pick up some good talent. TB has not let us down up to now , and I see no reason why we should doubt his intentions. A surprise manager could be installed very soon with a budget to build his own team. Me, I may be a rose tinted optimist, but I would rather be a happy fool than a depressed pessimist. I know you are a real Brighton fan, so please chill. The season only ends today. There 2 months of building to be done. Starting very soon. UTA[/p][/quote]Your missing statements made by TB where he said the new coach/ manager will have the same role? OG left because his targets were not signed, And Gus fell out because of Burke scuppering the purchase of van dyke. Two managers same result in 12 months, coincidence? mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

10:14am Sat 24 May 14

farside says...

mikeygit wrote:
A little off subject--but I am disappointed that the ´promised´ ´talk to the fans´by Tony Bloom has seemed to have died a death for the time being. I would have thought that apart from getting a new manager addressing the fans should have also been one of Tonys priorities??
Listen on the BBC or see Bloom's interview on the club site. For reasons known only to itself rhe Argus hasn't run it and as a eesult many are left in the dark.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: A little off subject--but I am disappointed that the ´promised´ ´talk to the fans´by Tony Bloom has seemed to have died a death for the time being. I would have thought that apart from getting a new manager addressing the fans should have also been one of Tonys priorities??[/p][/quote]Listen on the BBC or see Bloom's interview on the club site. For reasons known only to itself rhe Argus hasn't run it and as a eesult many are left in the dark. farside
  • Score: 1

10:16am Sat 24 May 14

rolivan says...

mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.
FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies!
900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.
Define Good Players please
Managers will define quality, and so will agents, bechio will have a dozen clubs wanting him, joe cole would if clubs can afford, Murray Zamora ..
Then we need experience with players who have done it at the highest level, upson ward TK , two of those we had and allowed to leave, your assuming Burke will find better for less money? Why.?
I am not assuming anything,you have named 4 players all from the Premiership and all at the end of their careers if you only deem them to be good players then obviously players from the lower leagues are not so good and yet 3 squads of players from last year's Premiership aren't possibly going back up if QPR get beat today are they not good Players?There are hundreds of players available . The hard part is getting a squad together that are prepared to play as a Team that is what a Managers job is . You can have the Greatest Coach in the World but if The Team isn't managed properly then there is a problem.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.[/p][/quote]FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies! 900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.[/p][/quote]Define Good Players please[/p][/quote]Managers will define quality, and so will agents, bechio will have a dozen clubs wanting him, joe cole would if clubs can afford, Murray Zamora .. Then we need experience with players who have done it at the highest level, upson ward TK , two of those we had and allowed to leave, your assuming Burke will find better for less money? Why.?[/p][/quote]I am not assuming anything,you have named 4 players all from the Premiership and all at the end of their careers if you only deem them to be good players then obviously players from the lower leagues are not so good and yet 3 squads of players from last year's Premiership aren't possibly going back up if QPR get beat today are they not good Players?There are hundreds of players available . The hard part is getting a squad together that are prepared to play as a Team that is what a Managers job is . You can have the Greatest Coach in the World but if The Team isn't managed properly then there is a problem. rolivan
  • Score: 3

10:20am Sat 24 May 14

farside says...

mikeygit wrote:
Sorry I was only aware of the BBC Local interview. If I missed the promised Áddress to the Fans¨ Then Sorry my mistake.--- will trawl through The Argus to see if I can locate it.
What do you think the local BBC interview was then?
Of course the Argus should have reportex it but not doing so is their choice not the club's. Dhort of knocking on every fan's door I'm not sure what more TB could have done.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Sorry I was only aware of the BBC Local interview. If I missed the promised Áddress to the Fans¨ Then Sorry my mistake.--- will trawl through The Argus to see if I can locate it.[/p][/quote]What do you think the local BBC interview was then? Of course the Argus should have reportex it but not doing so is their choice not the club's. Dhort of knocking on every fan's door I'm not sure what more TB could have done. farside
  • Score: 0

10:21am Sat 24 May 14

lighteninglee says...

the clock is ticking and we have not even managed to appoint a manager yet which leaves them even less time to build a team to compete next season.
the clock is ticking and we have not even managed to appoint a manager yet which leaves them even less time to build a team to compete next season. lighteninglee
  • Score: -2

10:23am Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.
FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies!
900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.
Define Good Players please
Managers will define quality, and so will agents, bechio will have a dozen clubs wanting him, joe cole would if clubs can afford, Murray Zamora ..
Then we need experience with players who have done it at the highest level, upson ward TK , two of those we had and allowed to leave, your assuming Burke will find better for less money? Why.?
I am not assuming anything,you have named 4 players all from the Premiership and all at the end of their careers if you only deem them to be good players then obviously players from the lower leagues are not so good and yet 3 squads of players from last year's Premiership aren't possibly going back up if QPR get beat today are they not good Players?There are hundreds of players available . The hard part is getting a squad together that are prepared to play as a Team that is what a Managers job is . You can have the Greatest Coach in the World but if The Team isn't managed properly then there is a problem.
Of course, but the new mans job is harder than OG s ,
We start without upson, bridcutt Barnes elabd TK how much is replacing them going to cost?
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.[/p][/quote]FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies! 900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.[/p][/quote]Define Good Players please[/p][/quote]Managers will define quality, and so will agents, bechio will have a dozen clubs wanting him, joe cole would if clubs can afford, Murray Zamora .. Then we need experience with players who have done it at the highest level, upson ward TK , two of those we had and allowed to leave, your assuming Burke will find better for less money? Why.?[/p][/quote]I am not assuming anything,you have named 4 players all from the Premiership and all at the end of their careers if you only deem them to be good players then obviously players from the lower leagues are not so good and yet 3 squads of players from last year's Premiership aren't possibly going back up if QPR get beat today are they not good Players?There are hundreds of players available . The hard part is getting a squad together that are prepared to play as a Team that is what a Managers job is . You can have the Greatest Coach in the World but if The Team isn't managed properly then there is a problem.[/p][/quote]Of course, but the new mans job is harder than OG s , We start without upson, bridcutt Barnes elabd TK how much is replacing them going to cost? mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

10:27am Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

We need a keeper 5 defenders , 3 midfield two forward
I reckon 11 players , no such thing as a free player, all will want cash to move, all will want decent money, cheap is a false economy ..
I wonder how many clubs have been promoted with a DOF ?
We need a keeper 5 defenders , 3 midfield two forward I reckon 11 players , no such thing as a free player, all will want cash to move, all will want decent money, cheap is a false economy .. I wonder how many clubs have been promoted with a DOF ? mark by the sea
  • Score: -5

10:30am Sat 24 May 14

keswick says...

9 of us wrote:
'that's it, I've cancelled my ST, me and 22 others are not paying' etc etc.
Boring boys & girls.
It's May and the Play offs have not even ended. We finish 10th, 4th and 6th in our 3 seasons at the Amex. Not bad given that your comments would of suggested that we were relegation material with a management set up that doesn't know what it's doing.
Following your team, attending matches is a life long journey. Yes it will have its ups and downs and you will have great times and awful times, however, true fans still attend, still pay their monies and do not post such utter nonsense as I quoted at the start of this thread.
I know as do most on this site that there are genuine fans and those that are simply spiteful and jealous. It's a fact of life.
Enjoy the Summer and lets see who comes in and above all remain positive.
UTA
Exactly, true fans do not come out with garbage like that. Truth is the poor little soul does not have 22 friends, or probably 2 for that matter. As you say most on here are genuine fans, who of course may or may not agree with each other, but unfortunately there are a handful of people with their own axe to grind that ruins the site.
[quote][p][bold]9 of us[/bold] wrote: 'that's it, I've cancelled my ST, me and 22 others are not paying' etc etc. Boring boys & girls. It's May and the Play offs have not even ended. We finish 10th, 4th and 6th in our 3 seasons at the Amex. Not bad given that your comments would of suggested that we were relegation material with a management set up that doesn't know what it's doing. Following your team, attending matches is a life long journey. Yes it will have its ups and downs and you will have great times and awful times, however, true fans still attend, still pay their monies and do not post such utter nonsense as I quoted at the start of this thread. I know as do most on this site that there are genuine fans and those that are simply spiteful and jealous. It's a fact of life. Enjoy the Summer and lets see who comes in and above all remain positive. UTA[/p][/quote]Exactly, true fans do not come out with garbage like that. Truth is the poor little soul does not have 22 friends, or probably 2 for that matter. As you say most on here are genuine fans, who of course may or may not agree with each other, but unfortunately there are a handful of people with their own axe to grind that ruins the site. keswick
  • Score: 5

10:42am Sat 24 May 14

rolivan says...

mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.
FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies!
900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.
Define Good Players please
Managers will define quality, and so will agents, bechio will have a dozen clubs wanting him, joe cole would if clubs can afford, Murray Zamora ..
Then we need experience with players who have done it at the highest level, upson ward TK , two of those we had and allowed to leave, your assuming Burke will find better for less money? Why.?
I am not assuming anything,you have named 4 players all from the Premiership and all at the end of their careers if you only deem them to be good players then obviously players from the lower leagues are not so good and yet 3 squads of players from last year's Premiership aren't possibly going back up if QPR get beat today are they not good Players?There are hundreds of players available . The hard part is getting a squad together that are prepared to play as a Team that is what a Managers job is . You can have the Greatest Coach in the World but if The Team isn't managed properly then there is a problem.
Of course, but the new mans job is harder than OG s ,
We start without upson, bridcutt Barnes elabd TK how much is replacing them going to cost?
Maybe less maybe more than we were paying them . The only Player I think we will miss this year is Tomasz,Upson is on his last legs, Bridcutt wanted to join Gus, Barnes didn't want to sign a new contract El Abd isn't good enough . Whoever comes in the fans will support . How many players have come in and gone out the door in the last 5 years quite a lot so nothing changes there.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.[/p][/quote]FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies! 900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.[/p][/quote]Define Good Players please[/p][/quote]Managers will define quality, and so will agents, bechio will have a dozen clubs wanting him, joe cole would if clubs can afford, Murray Zamora .. Then we need experience with players who have done it at the highest level, upson ward TK , two of those we had and allowed to leave, your assuming Burke will find better for less money? Why.?[/p][/quote]I am not assuming anything,you have named 4 players all from the Premiership and all at the end of their careers if you only deem them to be good players then obviously players from the lower leagues are not so good and yet 3 squads of players from last year's Premiership aren't possibly going back up if QPR get beat today are they not good Players?There are hundreds of players available . The hard part is getting a squad together that are prepared to play as a Team that is what a Managers job is . You can have the Greatest Coach in the World but if The Team isn't managed properly then there is a problem.[/p][/quote]Of course, but the new mans job is harder than OG s , We start without upson, bridcutt Barnes elabd TK how much is replacing them going to cost?[/p][/quote]Maybe less maybe more than we were paying them . The only Player I think we will miss this year is Tomasz,Upson is on his last legs, Bridcutt wanted to join Gus, Barnes didn't want to sign a new contract El Abd isn't good enough . Whoever comes in the fans will support . How many players have come in and gone out the door in the last 5 years quite a lot so nothing changes there. rolivan
  • Score: 7

10:42am Sat 24 May 14

rolivan says...

mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.
FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies!
900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.
Define Good Players please
Managers will define quality, and so will agents, bechio will have a dozen clubs wanting him, joe cole would if clubs can afford, Murray Zamora ..
Then we need experience with players who have done it at the highest level, upson ward TK , two of those we had and allowed to leave, your assuming Burke will find better for less money? Why.?
I am not assuming anything,you have named 4 players all from the Premiership and all at the end of their careers if you only deem them to be good players then obviously players from the lower leagues are not so good and yet 3 squads of players from last year's Premiership aren't possibly going back up if QPR get beat today are they not good Players?There are hundreds of players available . The hard part is getting a squad together that are prepared to play as a Team that is what a Managers job is . You can have the Greatest Coach in the World but if The Team isn't managed properly then there is a problem.
Of course, but the new mans job is harder than OG s ,
We start without upson, bridcutt Barnes elabd TK how much is replacing them going to cost?
Maybe less maybe more than we were paying them . The only Player I think we will miss this year is Tomasz,Upson is on his last legs, Bridcutt wanted to join Gus, Barnes didn't want to sign a new contract El Abd isn't good enough . Whoever comes in the fans will support . How many players have come in and gone out the door in the last 5 years quite a lot so nothing changes there.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.[/p][/quote]FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies! 900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.[/p][/quote]Define Good Players please[/p][/quote]Managers will define quality, and so will agents, bechio will have a dozen clubs wanting him, joe cole would if clubs can afford, Murray Zamora .. Then we need experience with players who have done it at the highest level, upson ward TK , two of those we had and allowed to leave, your assuming Burke will find better for less money? Why.?[/p][/quote]I am not assuming anything,you have named 4 players all from the Premiership and all at the end of their careers if you only deem them to be good players then obviously players from the lower leagues are not so good and yet 3 squads of players from last year's Premiership aren't possibly going back up if QPR get beat today are they not good Players?There are hundreds of players available . The hard part is getting a squad together that are prepared to play as a Team that is what a Managers job is . You can have the Greatest Coach in the World but if The Team isn't managed properly then there is a problem.[/p][/quote]Of course, but the new mans job is harder than OG s , We start without upson, bridcutt Barnes elabd TK how much is replacing them going to cost?[/p][/quote]Maybe less maybe more than we were paying them . The only Player I think we will miss this year is Tomasz,Upson is on his last legs, Bridcutt wanted to join Gus, Barnes didn't want to sign a new contract El Abd isn't good enough . Whoever comes in the fans will support . How many players have come in and gone out the door in the last 5 years quite a lot so nothing changes there. rolivan
  • Score: 1

10:47am Sat 24 May 14

Neville says...

These last few months have really given an indication of the lack of foresight,I don,t blame TB because he is abroad most of the year but the running of the club has been delegated to key personnel. OG was unhappy last Oct and contingency plans should have been put in place,just like replacing Barnes,who refused to sign a one year contract extension,was allowed to leave with no replacement.
The managerial situation is almost a repeat of last year and this should have been resolved by now. I know about FFP but this has not stopped any other club moving forward,we have become static in all areas apart from offloading and we will I am afraid be playing catch up again.
To expect a promotion push next season is folly and some heads should have rolled for what has been going on for some 18mths now.
These last few months have really given an indication of the lack of foresight,I don,t blame TB because he is abroad most of the year but the running of the club has been delegated to key personnel. OG was unhappy last Oct and contingency plans should have been put in place,just like replacing Barnes,who refused to sign a one year contract extension,was allowed to leave with no replacement. The managerial situation is almost a repeat of last year and this should have been resolved by now. I know about FFP but this has not stopped any other club moving forward,we have become static in all areas apart from offloading and we will I am afraid be playing catch up again. To expect a promotion push next season is folly and some heads should have rolled for what has been going on for some 18mths now. Neville
  • Score: 6

10:57am Sat 24 May 14

pjwilk says...

We have had too many loan players,some good some useless,but they have gone which leaves us short.We have too many injury prone players,which leaves us short.We have young players that are just not good enough at this level.So what we have thanks to Burke is no team at all apart from 2-3.We needed permanent contracted players that are proven at this or at a higher level and improved on those with 2-3 higher level players.What we now have is a real mess,where do we start.Get rid of Burke he has turned us into a shambles.Got a new name Brighton and Hove Shambles.
We have had too many loan players,some good some useless,but they have gone which leaves us short.We have too many injury prone players,which leaves us short.We have young players that are just not good enough at this level.So what we have thanks to Burke is no team at all apart from 2-3.We needed permanent contracted players that are proven at this or at a higher level and improved on those with 2-3 higher level players.What we now have is a real mess,where do we start.Get rid of Burke he has turned us into a shambles.Got a new name Brighton and Hove Shambles. pjwilk
  • Score: -3

10:58am Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.
FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies!
900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.
Define Good Players please
Managers will define quality, and so will agents, bechio will have a dozen clubs wanting him, joe cole would if clubs can afford, Murray Zamora ..
Then we need experience with players who have done it at the highest level, upson ward TK , two of those we had and allowed to leave, your assuming Burke will find better for less money? Why.?
I am not assuming anything,you have named 4 players all from the Premiership and all at the end of their careers if you only deem them to be good players then obviously players from the lower leagues are not so good and yet 3 squads of players from last year's Premiership aren't possibly going back up if QPR get beat today are they not good Players?There are hundreds of players available . The hard part is getting a squad together that are prepared to play as a Team that is what a Managers job is . You can have the Greatest Coach in the World but if The Team isn't managed properly then there is a problem.
Of course, but the new mans job is harder than OG s ,
We start without upson, bridcutt Barnes elabd TK how much is replacing them going to cost?
Maybe less maybe more than we were paying them . The only Player I think we will miss this year is Tomasz,Upson is on his last legs, Bridcutt wanted to join Gus, Barnes didn't want to sign a new contract El Abd isn't good enough . Whoever comes in the fans will support . How many players have come in and gone out the door in the last 5 years quite a lot so nothing changes there.
My point is managers will know we are desperate for players , so will agents, we need to be pro active rather than reactive .. Barnes wanted away for more money at a club going forward, I wonder where ward would go if he has say Reading , brighton to choose from, I tell you it would be the highest wages, biggest hello payment .. Fans think players care about there club, in reality they won't say I go where I get paid the most as if they fail to perform fans will be on there backs,
I hope we can replace those I named, but money talks as it does in whatever job your in.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.[/p][/quote]FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies! 900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.[/p][/quote]Define Good Players please[/p][/quote]Managers will define quality, and so will agents, bechio will have a dozen clubs wanting him, joe cole would if clubs can afford, Murray Zamora .. Then we need experience with players who have done it at the highest level, upson ward TK , two of those we had and allowed to leave, your assuming Burke will find better for less money? Why.?[/p][/quote]I am not assuming anything,you have named 4 players all from the Premiership and all at the end of their careers if you only deem them to be good players then obviously players from the lower leagues are not so good and yet 3 squads of players from last year's Premiership aren't possibly going back up if QPR get beat today are they not good Players?There are hundreds of players available . The hard part is getting a squad together that are prepared to play as a Team that is what a Managers job is . You can have the Greatest Coach in the World but if The Team isn't managed properly then there is a problem.[/p][/quote]Of course, but the new mans job is harder than OG s , We start without upson, bridcutt Barnes elabd TK how much is replacing them going to cost?[/p][/quote]Maybe less maybe more than we were paying them . The only Player I think we will miss this year is Tomasz,Upson is on his last legs, Bridcutt wanted to join Gus, Barnes didn't want to sign a new contract El Abd isn't good enough . Whoever comes in the fans will support . How many players have come in and gone out the door in the last 5 years quite a lot so nothing changes there.[/p][/quote]My point is managers will know we are desperate for players , so will agents, we need to be pro active rather than reactive .. Barnes wanted away for more money at a club going forward, I wonder where ward would go if he has say Reading , brighton to choose from, I tell you it would be the highest wages, biggest hello payment .. Fans think players care about there club, in reality they won't say I go where I get paid the most as if they fail to perform fans will be on there backs, I hope we can replace those I named, but money talks as it does in whatever job your in. mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

11:00am Sat 24 May 14

Baldseagull says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Getting concerned with hearing about managers and players leaving and no decent replacements coming in. It is no exaggeration to say that we need to sign pretty much a new starting 11 if Ulloa and Buckley go as seems likely. This will require about 10 million quid to get the right quality. Ulloa should fetch a minimum 5 million, add that to the 3 million for Bridcutt in January plus Barnes then we should have at the very least 8 million raised from the squad to go back into the squad. At the moment it almost feels like we're operating under administration with players exiting and no one coming in bar the odd freebie. I do feel a bit disillusioned with things right now, please can the wheels be put in motion and restore a bit of faith. We still haven't even got a manager and it's getting worrying with the lack of any clear direction.
I think sales of Bridcutt and Barnes made last season, may well count in last seasons accounts to reduce the debt level, and won't be available in this seasons budget, or maybe it will but only until June, not sure what the accounting period is and how, or if we can maximise the available spend under FFP.
If this is the case, FFP is going to introduce a new pressure to spend what you have in a hurry, I can see a few agents taking advantage of that.

Also heard clubs were meeting to renegotiate the terms for this season, so spend is not yet certain to be with a £3M max loss for this season, which means we can't be certain what the budget is yet.
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: Getting concerned with hearing about managers and players leaving and no decent replacements coming in. It is no exaggeration to say that we need to sign pretty much a new starting 11 if Ulloa and Buckley go as seems likely. This will require about 10 million quid to get the right quality. Ulloa should fetch a minimum 5 million, add that to the 3 million for Bridcutt in January plus Barnes then we should have at the very least 8 million raised from the squad to go back into the squad. At the moment it almost feels like we're operating under administration with players exiting and no one coming in bar the odd freebie. I do feel a bit disillusioned with things right now, please can the wheels be put in motion and restore a bit of faith. We still haven't even got a manager and it's getting worrying with the lack of any clear direction.[/p][/quote]I think sales of Bridcutt and Barnes made last season, may well count in last seasons accounts to reduce the debt level, and won't be available in this seasons budget, or maybe it will but only until June, not sure what the accounting period is and how, or if we can maximise the available spend under FFP. If this is the case, FFP is going to introduce a new pressure to spend what you have in a hurry, I can see a few agents taking advantage of that. Also heard clubs were meeting to renegotiate the terms for this season, so spend is not yet certain to be with a £3M max loss for this season, which means we can't be certain what the budget is yet. Baldseagull
  • Score: -4

11:04am Sat 24 May 14

Baldseagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.
FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies!
900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.
Define Good Players please
Managers will define quality, and so will agents, bechio will have a dozen clubs wanting him, joe cole would if clubs can afford, Murray Zamora ..
Then we need experience with players who have done it at the highest level, upson ward TK , two of those we had and allowed to leave, your assuming Burke will find better for less money? Why.?
I am not assuming anything,you have named 4 players all from the Premiership and all at the end of their careers if you only deem them to be good players then obviously players from the lower leagues are not so good and yet 3 squads of players from last year's Premiership aren't possibly going back up if QPR get beat today are they not good Players?There are hundreds of players available . The hard part is getting a squad together that are prepared to play as a Team that is what a Managers job is . You can have the Greatest Coach in the World but if The Team isn't managed properly then there is a problem.
Of course, but the new mans job is harder than OG s ,
We start without upson, bridcutt Barnes elabd TK how much is replacing them going to cost?
Maybe less maybe more than we were paying them . The only Player I think we will miss this year is Tomasz,Upson is on his last legs, Bridcutt wanted to join Gus, Barnes didn't want to sign a new contract El Abd isn't good enough . Whoever comes in the fans will support . How many players have come in and gone out the door in the last 5 years quite a lot so nothing changes there.
My point is managers will know we are desperate for players , so will agents, we need to be pro active rather than reactive .. Barnes wanted away for more money at a club going forward, I wonder where ward would go if he has say Reading , brighton to choose from, I tell you it would be the highest wages, biggest hello payment .. Fans think players care about there club, in reality they won't say I go where I get paid the most as if they fail to perform fans will be on there backs,
I hope we can replace those I named, but money talks as it does in whatever job your in.
If Barnes went for more money, why was he quoted as saying " if it was just about money, I would have stayed at Brighton"?
I believe he went for a 3 year deal as opposed to 1, and a better chance of promotion.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.[/p][/quote]FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies! 900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.[/p][/quote]Define Good Players please[/p][/quote]Managers will define quality, and so will agents, bechio will have a dozen clubs wanting him, joe cole would if clubs can afford, Murray Zamora .. Then we need experience with players who have done it at the highest level, upson ward TK , two of those we had and allowed to leave, your assuming Burke will find better for less money? Why.?[/p][/quote]I am not assuming anything,you have named 4 players all from the Premiership and all at the end of their careers if you only deem them to be good players then obviously players from the lower leagues are not so good and yet 3 squads of players from last year's Premiership aren't possibly going back up if QPR get beat today are they not good Players?There are hundreds of players available . The hard part is getting a squad together that are prepared to play as a Team that is what a Managers job is . You can have the Greatest Coach in the World but if The Team isn't managed properly then there is a problem.[/p][/quote]Of course, but the new mans job is harder than OG s , We start without upson, bridcutt Barnes elabd TK how much is replacing them going to cost?[/p][/quote]Maybe less maybe more than we were paying them . The only Player I think we will miss this year is Tomasz,Upson is on his last legs, Bridcutt wanted to join Gus, Barnes didn't want to sign a new contract El Abd isn't good enough . Whoever comes in the fans will support . How many players have come in and gone out the door in the last 5 years quite a lot so nothing changes there.[/p][/quote]My point is managers will know we are desperate for players , so will agents, we need to be pro active rather than reactive .. Barnes wanted away for more money at a club going forward, I wonder where ward would go if he has say Reading , brighton to choose from, I tell you it would be the highest wages, biggest hello payment .. Fans think players care about there club, in reality they won't say I go where I get paid the most as if they fail to perform fans will be on there backs, I hope we can replace those I named, but money talks as it does in whatever job your in.[/p][/quote]If Barnes went for more money, why was he quoted as saying " if it was just about money, I would have stayed at Brighton"? I believe he went for a 3 year deal as opposed to 1, and a better chance of promotion. Baldseagull
  • Score: 4

11:06am Sat 24 May 14

brightonup says...

rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.
FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies!
900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.
Define Good Players please
Managers will define quality, and so will agents, bechio will have a dozen clubs wanting him, joe cole would if clubs can afford, Murray Zamora ..
Then we need experience with players who have done it at the highest level, upson ward TK , two of those we had and allowed to leave, your assuming Burke will find better for less money? Why.?
I am not assuming anything,you have named 4 players all from the Premiership and all at the end of their careers if you only deem them to be good players then obviously players from the lower leagues are not so good and yet 3 squads of players from last year's Premiership aren't possibly going back up if QPR get beat today are they not good Players?There are hundreds of players available . The hard part is getting a squad together that are prepared to play as a Team that is what a Managers job is . You can have the Greatest Coach in the World but if The Team isn't managed properly then there is a problem.
Of course, but the new mans job is harder than OG s ,
We start without upson, bridcutt Barnes elabd TK how much is replacing them going to cost?
Maybe less maybe more than we were paying them . The only Player I think we will miss this year is Tomasz,Upson is on his last legs, Bridcutt wanted to join Gus, Barnes didn't want to sign a new contract El Abd isn't good enough . Whoever comes in the fans will support . How many players have come in and gone out the door in the last 5 years quite a lot so nothing changes there.
You cannot reason with a congenital malcontent; he KNOWS we are doomed.
To him the rest of us are merely stupidly sanguine....
He is determined to keep up a relentless barrage of negativity, despite several posters asking him to desist. Never mind that it undermines the positive spirit that is so important to team success.
He makes out he is stating the reality of things, but really he find things to be downbeat about - and generates a strong positive response from the trolls.
I expect he is proud of his achievement - but whatever it is, it isn't support for the club!
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.[/p][/quote]FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies! 900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.[/p][/quote]Define Good Players please[/p][/quote]Managers will define quality, and so will agents, bechio will have a dozen clubs wanting him, joe cole would if clubs can afford, Murray Zamora .. Then we need experience with players who have done it at the highest level, upson ward TK , two of those we had and allowed to leave, your assuming Burke will find better for less money? Why.?[/p][/quote]I am not assuming anything,you have named 4 players all from the Premiership and all at the end of their careers if you only deem them to be good players then obviously players from the lower leagues are not so good and yet 3 squads of players from last year's Premiership aren't possibly going back up if QPR get beat today are they not good Players?There are hundreds of players available . The hard part is getting a squad together that are prepared to play as a Team that is what a Managers job is . You can have the Greatest Coach in the World but if The Team isn't managed properly then there is a problem.[/p][/quote]Of course, but the new mans job is harder than OG s , We start without upson, bridcutt Barnes elabd TK how much is replacing them going to cost?[/p][/quote]Maybe less maybe more than we were paying them . The only Player I think we will miss this year is Tomasz,Upson is on his last legs, Bridcutt wanted to join Gus, Barnes didn't want to sign a new contract El Abd isn't good enough . Whoever comes in the fans will support . How many players have come in and gone out the door in the last 5 years quite a lot so nothing changes there.[/p][/quote]You cannot reason with a congenital malcontent; he KNOWS we are doomed. To him the rest of us are merely stupidly sanguine.... He is determined to keep up a relentless barrage of negativity, despite several posters asking him to desist. Never mind that it undermines the positive spirit that is so important to team success. He makes out he is stating the reality of things, but really he find things to be downbeat about - and generates a strong positive response from the trolls. I expect he is proud of his achievement - but whatever it is, it isn't support for the club! brightonup
  • Score: -1

11:08am Sat 24 May 14

Mancgulled says...

Speroni is apparently free - that would be a knobs and whistles start! Cant believe that ......
Speroni is apparently free - that would be a knobs and whistles start! Cant believe that ...... Mancgulled
  • Score: 3

11:17am Sat 24 May 14

tug509 says...

AlanDuffy ,
as has already been said 54 times great post ,but i would add that ,after seeing Burke in action this past season , DOFs should be categorised the same as Agents ,and therefore summarily lined up and shot !.
AlanDuffy , as has already been said 54 times great post ,but i would add that ,after seeing Burke in action this past season , DOFs should be categorised the same as Agents ,and therefore summarily lined up and shot !. tug509
  • Score: 4

11:22am Sat 24 May 14

pte says...

mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.
FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies!
900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.
You quote 10k for Joe Cole. Even if every player in a 20 man squad were on 10K or the average was 10 that amounts to a playing budget of 10m a year. But TV money of 5m will pay half of that and then there are gates generating 20m a year plus sponsorship plus merchandising.

Why the belt tightening, where is all the money going that fans pay? If its to service the loan on building the stadium the market rate on interest would be around 4m easily serviced by the club's turnover

I really think the wool is being pulled over fans eyes with regard to FPP. Sure there are clubs with parachute payments, but they are usually badly run and in debt which is why they were relegated in the first place
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: Plenty of players to choose from 900 players available throughout the league . FFP has finally started to work wages should now start to decrease as players and their Agents scramble to get a club.[/p][/quote]FFP won't effect good players only journeymen! I expect Burke and jones to be trying to find players for less than the legal rate of £6.30 ph maybe a polish or Latvian ? 4 to a room.. And a diet of out of date pies! 900 players does not mean we can afford half of them , joe cole will want 10k plus a week.. As will any quality player, Burke can play out his dream of defeating agents with the gullible fans breathing his every word, but reality is quality costs.. And there are clubs with bigger parachute payments than ever prepared to spend it.[/p][/quote]You quote 10k for Joe Cole. Even if every player in a 20 man squad were on 10K or the average was 10 that amounts to a playing budget of 10m a year. But TV money of 5m will pay half of that and then there are gates generating 20m a year plus sponsorship plus merchandising. Why the belt tightening, where is all the money going that fans pay? If its to service the loan on building the stadium the market rate on interest would be around 4m easily serviced by the club's turnover I really think the wool is being pulled over fans eyes with regard to FPP. Sure there are clubs with parachute payments, but they are usually badly run and in debt which is why they were relegated in the first place pte
  • Score: 1

11:27am Sat 24 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

farside wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
Sorry I was only aware of the BBC Local interview. If I missed the promised Áddress to the Fans¨ Then Sorry my mistake.--- will trawl through The Argus to see if I can locate it.
What do you think the local BBC interview was then?
Of course the Argus should have reportex it but not doing so is their choice not the club's. Dhort of knocking on every fan's door I'm not sure what more TB could have done.
Erm, given The Argus an interview too????
[quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Sorry I was only aware of the BBC Local interview. If I missed the promised Áddress to the Fans¨ Then Sorry my mistake.--- will trawl through The Argus to see if I can locate it.[/p][/quote]What do you think the local BBC interview was then? Of course the Argus should have reportex it but not doing so is their choice not the club's. Dhort of knocking on every fan's door I'm not sure what more TB could have done.[/p][/quote]Erm, given The Argus an interview too???? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

11:32am Sat 24 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Now I wasn't going to do this but with all the stupid comments being made by certain parties, I feel compelled to tell you about the, 'real,' story behind Garcia leaving, and all that I tell has come from a reliable source.

The fact is, this is the year that we make the push for the top, Oscar was told this, and his brief was to identify those that had to go and those that should come in. The talks started a few weeks before the end of the season, the reason being that a place in the play-offs looked unlikely and even if we got there, our squad was not up to getting thru to Wembley.

Oscar was informed that there is a large war chest available, with most of the money coming from the sale of the new facility naming rights and our new shirt deal. Last year's budget was not used up and along some of the profits from last year's sales this money would be added to the total.

Garcia, at first, was very upbeat about the plan, he could see that the club meant business, and indeed our charge for the top next season will be very real, and that's when the problems started. Quiet man Oscar, came to realise just what he was being asked to do, spend in a way that this club hasn't done in it's history, upwards of 15 million is on the table. Garcia was faced with just two choices, take on the task or walk away, the man accepted his own lack of knowledge of our market and decided to walk away, one season just wasn't long enough to learn all that was needed.

It is possible that Ulloa will go, but only if our price is met in full, and if he does go, all the money gained from the sale will be added to the war chest, taking the total to over 20 million. Some big pay cheques have been removed from our total payout, and the plan is to use these wages to bring in younger, faster and more techinically able players on similalr wages, and these players will all come from the prem div or from abroad.

Now all I have written is BS, I am sure that you worked that out very quickly, just a dream, but my words are about as genuine as all the crap written by those that say, 'I have stopped my payments, along with 22 others,' or, Burke will be rummaging thru the bargain basement looking for cheap labour.
Now I wasn't going to do this but with all the stupid comments being made by certain parties, I feel compelled to tell you about the, 'real,' story behind Garcia leaving, and all that I tell has come from a reliable source. The fact is, this is the year that we make the push for the top, Oscar was told this, and his brief was to identify those that had to go and those that should come in. The talks started a few weeks before the end of the season, the reason being that a place in the play-offs looked unlikely and even if we got there, our squad was not up to getting thru to Wembley. Oscar was informed that there is a large war chest available, with most of the money coming from the sale of the new facility naming rights and our new shirt deal. Last year's budget was not used up and along some of the profits from last year's sales this money would be added to the total. Garcia, at first, was very upbeat about the plan, he could see that the club meant business, and indeed our charge for the top next season will be very real, and that's when the problems started. Quiet man Oscar, came to realise just what he was being asked to do, spend in a way that this club hasn't done in it's history, upwards of 15 million is on the table. Garcia was faced with just two choices, take on the task or walk away, the man accepted his own lack of knowledge of our market and decided to walk away, one season just wasn't long enough to learn all that was needed. It is possible that Ulloa will go, but only if our price is met in full, and if he does go, all the money gained from the sale will be added to the war chest, taking the total to over 20 million. Some big pay cheques have been removed from our total payout, and the plan is to use these wages to bring in younger, faster and more techinically able players on similalr wages, and these players will all come from the prem div or from abroad. Now all I have written is BS, I am sure that you worked that out very quickly, just a dream, but my words are about as genuine as all the crap written by those that say, 'I have stopped my payments, along with 22 others,' or, Burke will be rummaging thru the bargain basement looking for cheap labour. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 16

11:39am Sat 24 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Ha ha ha ha ha lol pure outstanding etc... *whooosh*
Ha ha ha ha ha lol pure outstanding etc... *whooosh* Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 5

11:41am Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Now I wasn't going to do this but with all the stupid comments being made by certain parties, I feel compelled to tell you about the, 'real,' story behind Garcia leaving, and all that I tell has come from a reliable source.

The fact is, this is the year that we make the push for the top, Oscar was told this, and his brief was to identify those that had to go and those that should come in. The talks started a few weeks before the end of the season, the reason being that a place in the play-offs looked unlikely and even if we got there, our squad was not up to getting thru to Wembley.

Oscar was informed that there is a large war chest available, with most of the money coming from the sale of the new facility naming rights and our new shirt deal. Last year's budget was not used up and along some of the profits from last year's sales this money would be added to the total.

Garcia, at first, was very upbeat about the plan, he could see that the club meant business, and indeed our charge for the top next season will be very real, and that's when the problems started. Quiet man Oscar, came to realise just what he was being asked to do, spend in a way that this club hasn't done in it's history, upwards of 15 million is on the table. Garcia was faced with just two choices, take on the task or walk away, the man accepted his own lack of knowledge of our market and decided to walk away, one season just wasn't long enough to learn all that was needed.

It is possible that Ulloa will go, but only if our price is met in full, and if he does go, all the money gained from the sale will be added to the war chest, taking the total to over 20 million. Some big pay cheques have been removed from our total payout, and the plan is to use these wages to bring in younger, faster and more techinically able players on similalr wages, and these players will all come from the prem div or from abroad.

Now all I have written is BS, I am sure that you worked that out very quickly, just a dream, but my words are about as genuine as all the crap written by those that say, 'I have stopped my payments, along with 22 others,' or, Burke will be rummaging thru the bargain basement looking for cheap labour.
Naming rights and shirt money will only be big if we hit the premier league
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Now I wasn't going to do this but with all the stupid comments being made by certain parties, I feel compelled to tell you about the, 'real,' story behind Garcia leaving, and all that I tell has come from a reliable source. The fact is, this is the year that we make the push for the top, Oscar was told this, and his brief was to identify those that had to go and those that should come in. The talks started a few weeks before the end of the season, the reason being that a place in the play-offs looked unlikely and even if we got there, our squad was not up to getting thru to Wembley. Oscar was informed that there is a large war chest available, with most of the money coming from the sale of the new facility naming rights and our new shirt deal. Last year's budget was not used up and along some of the profits from last year's sales this money would be added to the total. Garcia, at first, was very upbeat about the plan, he could see that the club meant business, and indeed our charge for the top next season will be very real, and that's when the problems started. Quiet man Oscar, came to realise just what he was being asked to do, spend in a way that this club hasn't done in it's history, upwards of 15 million is on the table. Garcia was faced with just two choices, take on the task or walk away, the man accepted his own lack of knowledge of our market and decided to walk away, one season just wasn't long enough to learn all that was needed. It is possible that Ulloa will go, but only if our price is met in full, and if he does go, all the money gained from the sale will be added to the war chest, taking the total to over 20 million. Some big pay cheques have been removed from our total payout, and the plan is to use these wages to bring in younger, faster and more techinically able players on similalr wages, and these players will all come from the prem div or from abroad. Now all I have written is BS, I am sure that you worked that out very quickly, just a dream, but my words are about as genuine as all the crap written by those that say, 'I have stopped my payments, along with 22 others,' or, Burke will be rummaging thru the bargain basement looking for cheap labour.[/p][/quote]Naming rights and shirt money will only be big if we hit the premier league mark by the sea
  • Score: -3

11:42am Sat 24 May 14

bridders all day long says...

I believe we are waiting for after to nights European cup final to unveil Clement
I believe we are waiting for after to nights European cup final to unveil Clement bridders all day long
  • Score: 7

11:46am Sat 24 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Ha ha ha ha ha lol pure outstanding etc... *whooosh*
I guess he forgot to duck and it hit him square on his head, :-))
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Ha ha ha ha ha lol pure outstanding etc... *whooosh*[/p][/quote]I guess he forgot to duck and it hit him square on his head, :-)) VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

11:47am Sat 24 May 14

Andrea Orlandigasm says...

Am I the only 1 getting more than a little tired of a certain poster's obsession with slagging off Dunk, whatever username he uses? I'm not sure what his agenda is but we get the message: He doesn't like the bloke or rate him as a footballer. At least my obsession with Andrea (RIP) is a positive 1, based on his smile, legs, accent etc as well as his ability! I'm guessing that the certain poster hasn't played for a Championship club. Whether or nor Dunk is up to top-end Championship standard (I have reservations), we've got a lot else to worry about and crucifying 1 player isn't very helpful or edifying.
Am I the only 1 getting more than a little tired of a certain poster's obsession with slagging off Dunk, whatever username he uses? I'm not sure what his agenda is but we get the message: He doesn't like the bloke or rate him as a footballer. At least my obsession with Andrea (RIP) is a positive 1, based on his smile, legs, accent etc as well as his ability! I'm guessing that the certain poster hasn't played for a Championship club. Whether or nor Dunk is up to top-end Championship standard (I have reservations), we've got a lot else to worry about and crucifying 1 player isn't very helpful or edifying. Andrea Orlandigasm
  • Score: 14

11:49am Sat 24 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Now I wasn't going to do this but with all the stupid comments being made by certain parties, I feel compelled to tell you about the, 'real,' story behind Garcia leaving, and all that I tell has come from a reliable source.

The fact is, this is the year that we make the push for the top, Oscar was told this, and his brief was to identify those that had to go and those that should come in. The talks started a few weeks before the end of the season, the reason being that a place in the play-offs looked unlikely and even if we got there, our squad was not up to getting thru to Wembley.

Oscar was informed that there is a large war chest available, with most of the money coming from the sale of the new facility naming rights and our new shirt deal. Last year's budget was not used up and along some of the profits from last year's sales this money would be added to the total.

Garcia, at first, was very upbeat about the plan, he could see that the club meant business, and indeed our charge for the top next season will be very real, and that's when the problems started. Quiet man Oscar, came to realise just what he was being asked to do, spend in a way that this club hasn't done in it's history, upwards of 15 million is on the table. Garcia was faced with just two choices, take on the task or walk away, the man accepted his own lack of knowledge of our market and decided to walk away, one season just wasn't long enough to learn all that was needed.

It is possible that Ulloa will go, but only if our price is met in full, and if he does go, all the money gained from the sale will be added to the war chest, taking the total to over 20 million. Some big pay cheques have been removed from our total payout, and the plan is to use these wages to bring in younger, faster and more techinically able players on similalr wages, and these players will all come from the prem div or from abroad.

Now all I have written is BS, I am sure that you worked that out very quickly, just a dream, but my words are about as genuine as all the crap written by those that say, 'I have stopped my payments, along with 22 others,' or, Burke will be rummaging thru the bargain basement looking for cheap labour.
Naming rights and shirt money will only be big if we hit the premier league
prem or no prem we, 'will,' have some new money at the club this coming season.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Now I wasn't going to do this but with all the stupid comments being made by certain parties, I feel compelled to tell you about the, 'real,' story behind Garcia leaving, and all that I tell has come from a reliable source. The fact is, this is the year that we make the push for the top, Oscar was told this, and his brief was to identify those that had to go and those that should come in. The talks started a few weeks before the end of the season, the reason being that a place in the play-offs looked unlikely and even if we got there, our squad was not up to getting thru to Wembley. Oscar was informed that there is a large war chest available, with most of the money coming from the sale of the new facility naming rights and our new shirt deal. Last year's budget was not used up and along some of the profits from last year's sales this money would be added to the total. Garcia, at first, was very upbeat about the plan, he could see that the club meant business, and indeed our charge for the top next season will be very real, and that's when the problems started. Quiet man Oscar, came to realise just what he was being asked to do, spend in a way that this club hasn't done in it's history, upwards of 15 million is on the table. Garcia was faced with just two choices, take on the task or walk away, the man accepted his own lack of knowledge of our market and decided to walk away, one season just wasn't long enough to learn all that was needed. It is possible that Ulloa will go, but only if our price is met in full, and if he does go, all the money gained from the sale will be added to the war chest, taking the total to over 20 million. Some big pay cheques have been removed from our total payout, and the plan is to use these wages to bring in younger, faster and more techinically able players on similalr wages, and these players will all come from the prem div or from abroad. Now all I have written is BS, I am sure that you worked that out very quickly, just a dream, but my words are about as genuine as all the crap written by those that say, 'I have stopped my payments, along with 22 others,' or, Burke will be rummaging thru the bargain basement looking for cheap labour.[/p][/quote]Naming rights and shirt money will only be big if we hit the premier league[/p][/quote]prem or no prem we, 'will,' have some new money at the club this coming season. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

11:49am Sat 24 May 14

pjwilk says...

It feels to me we are one of the poorest clubs in the league,financially.W
e are being outbid on signing on fees on wages and on length of contracts.Being outbid by clubs on 10,000 fans.Burke needs to get his purse out and sign good contracted players ,(guess he wouldn't know a good player if he fell over him).Lets get a good Manager,Brian McDermott would be good and dump Burke because he lives up to his name.
It feels to me we are one of the poorest clubs in the league,financially.W e are being outbid on signing on fees on wages and on length of contracts.Being outbid by clubs on 10,000 fans.Burke needs to get his purse out and sign good contracted players ,(guess he wouldn't know a good player if he fell over him).Lets get a good Manager,Brian McDermott would be good and dump Burke because he lives up to his name. pjwilk
  • Score: -5

11:51am Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Whoever gets the job, will have a massive job on his hands, I see villa has sacked there DOF ..
The new guy will need. 10 million for signing and wages for 10 players.
Whoever gets the job, will have a massive job on his hands, I see villa has sacked there DOF .. The new guy will need. 10 million for signing and wages for 10 players. mark by the sea
  • Score: -4

11:53am Sat 24 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

iRobot208 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Now I wasn't going to do this but with all the stupid comments being made by certain parties, I feel compelled to tell you about the, 'real,' story behind Garcia leaving, and all that I tell has come from a reliable source.

The fact is, this is the year that we make the push for the top, Oscar was told this, and his brief was to identify those that had to go and those that should come in. The talks started a few weeks before the end of the season, the reason being that a place in the play-offs looked unlikely and even if we got there, our squad was not up to getting thru to Wembley.

Oscar was informed that there is a large war chest available, with most of the money coming from the sale of the new facility naming rights and our new shirt deal. Last year's budget was not used up and along some of the profits from last year's sales this money would be added to the total.

Garcia, at first, was very upbeat about the plan, he could see that the club meant business, and indeed our charge for the top next season will be very real, and that's when the problems started. Quiet man Oscar, came to realise just what he was being asked to do, spend in a way that this club hasn't done in it's history, upwards of 15 million is on the table. Garcia was faced with just two choices, take on the task or walk away, the man accepted his own lack of knowledge of our market and decided to walk away, one season just wasn't long enough to learn all that was needed.

It is possible that Ulloa will go, but only if our price is met in full, and if he does go, all the money gained from the sale will be added to the war chest, taking the total to over 20 million. Some big pay cheques have been removed from our total payout, and the plan is to use these wages to bring in younger, faster and more techinically able players on similalr wages, and these players will all come from the prem div or from abroad.

Now all I have written is BS, I am sure that you worked that out very quickly, just a dream, but my words are about as genuine as all the crap written by those that say, 'I have stopped my payments, along with 22 others,' or, Burke will be rummaging thru the bargain basement looking for cheap labour.
What pure out and out rubbish lol haha.My god Vegas even the most brain dead would not believe this.My god you really do live in a dream man.What part of the world did you pick this up from today lol.
Blimey, you have a pop at me a few days ago for basing a logical opinion on "supposition" (a term that's easy to throw out there when you don't agree) and then write 6 paragraphs of a self-admitted fairytale.
Where in hell's back garden does that take us?
The facts are that the squad is decimated, we haven't got a manager, we've not heard a jot from the club for at least ten days, The Argus would be appear to be completely persona non-grata at The Amex and a DOF set up that's got rid of two blokes in a year would appear to be stalling the arrival of anyone new. (Sorry that last bit was supposition again, I must stop using my creative instincts.)
I agree this forum is full of its share of numbskulls, but until the club gets off it's 'arris and DOES something, critical comments about bargain basement tactics are to be expected - whether you, me or anyone else agrees.
It's a forum mate, not your blog site.
[quote][p][bold]iRobot208[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Now I wasn't going to do this but with all the stupid comments being made by certain parties, I feel compelled to tell you about the, 'real,' story behind Garcia leaving, and all that I tell has come from a reliable source. The fact is, this is the year that we make the push for the top, Oscar was told this, and his brief was to identify those that had to go and those that should come in. The talks started a few weeks before the end of the season, the reason being that a place in the play-offs looked unlikely and even if we got there, our squad was not up to getting thru to Wembley. Oscar was informed that there is a large war chest available, with most of the money coming from the sale of the new facility naming rights and our new shirt deal. Last year's budget was not used up and along some of the profits from last year's sales this money would be added to the total. Garcia, at first, was very upbeat about the plan, he could see that the club meant business, and indeed our charge for the top next season will be very real, and that's when the problems started. Quiet man Oscar, came to realise just what he was being asked to do, spend in a way that this club hasn't done in it's history, upwards of 15 million is on the table. Garcia was faced with just two choices, take on the task or walk away, the man accepted his own lack of knowledge of our market and decided to walk away, one season just wasn't long enough to learn all that was needed. It is possible that Ulloa will go, but only if our price is met in full, and if he does go, all the money gained from the sale will be added to the war chest, taking the total to over 20 million. Some big pay cheques have been removed from our total payout, and the plan is to use these wages to bring in younger, faster and more techinically able players on similalr wages, and these players will all come from the prem div or from abroad. Now all I have written is BS, I am sure that you worked that out very quickly, just a dream, but my words are about as genuine as all the crap written by those that say, 'I have stopped my payments, along with 22 others,' or, Burke will be rummaging thru the bargain basement looking for cheap labour.[/p][/quote]What pure out and out rubbish lol haha.My god Vegas even the most brain dead would not believe this.My god you really do live in a dream man.What part of the world did you pick this up from today lol.[/p][/quote]Blimey, you have a pop at me a few days ago for basing a logical opinion on "supposition" (a term that's easy to throw out there when you don't agree) and then write 6 paragraphs of a self-admitted fairytale. Where in hell's back garden does that take us? The facts are that the squad is decimated, we haven't got a manager, we've not heard a jot from the club for at least ten days, The Argus would be appear to be completely persona non-grata at The Amex and a DOF set up that's got rid of two blokes in a year would appear to be stalling the arrival of anyone new. (Sorry that last bit was supposition again, I must stop using my creative instincts.) I agree this forum is full of its share of numbskulls, but until the club gets off it's 'arris and DOES something, critical comments about bargain basement tactics are to be expected - whether you, me or anyone else agrees. It's a forum mate, not your blog site. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 3

11:55am Sat 24 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
iRobot208 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Now I wasn't going to do this but with all the stupid comments being made by certain parties, I feel compelled to tell you about the, 'real,' story behind Garcia leaving, and all that I tell has come from a reliable source.

The fact is, this is the year that we make the push for the top, Oscar was told this, and his brief was to identify those that had to go and those that should come in. The talks started a few weeks before the end of the season, the reason being that a place in the play-offs looked unlikely and even if we got there, our squad was not up to getting thru to Wembley.

Oscar was informed that there is a large war chest available, with most of the money coming from the sale of the new facility naming rights and our new shirt deal. Last year's budget was not used up and along some of the profits from last year's sales this money would be added to the total.

Garcia, at first, was very upbeat about the plan, he could see that the club meant business, and indeed our charge for the top next season will be very real, and that's when the problems started. Quiet man Oscar, came to realise just what he was being asked to do, spend in a way that this club hasn't done in it's history, upwards of 15 million is on the table. Garcia was faced with just two choices, take on the task or walk away, the man accepted his own lack of knowledge of our market and decided to walk away, one season just wasn't long enough to learn all that was needed.

It is possible that Ulloa will go, but only if our price is met in full, and if he does go, all the money gained from the sale will be added to the war chest, taking the total to over 20 million. Some big pay cheques have been removed from our total payout, and the plan is to use these wages to bring in younger, faster and more techinically able players on similalr wages, and these players will all come from the prem div or from abroad.

Now all I have written is BS, I am sure that you worked that out very quickly, just a dream, but my words are about as genuine as all the crap written by those that say, 'I have stopped my payments, along with 22 others,' or, Burke will be rummaging thru the bargain basement looking for cheap labour.
What pure out and out rubbish lol haha.My god Vegas even the most brain dead would not believe this.My god you really do live in a dream man.What part of the world did you pick this up from today lol.
Blimey, you have a pop at me a few days ago for basing a logical opinion on "supposition" (a term that's easy to throw out there when you don't agree) and then write 6 paragraphs of a self-admitted fairytale.
Where in hell's back garden does that take us?
The facts are that the squad is decimated, we haven't got a manager, we've not heard a jot from the club for at least ten days, The Argus would be appear to be completely persona non-grata at The Amex and a DOF set up that's got rid of two blokes in a year would appear to be stalling the arrival of anyone new. (Sorry that last bit was supposition again, I must stop using my creative instincts.)
I agree this forum is full of its share of numbskulls, but until the club gets off it's 'arris and DOES something, critical comments about bargain basement tactics are to be expected - whether you, me or anyone else agrees.
It's a forum mate, not your blog site.
Apologies, linked to wrong thread. Rant meant for Vegas not the numbskull.....
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iRobot208[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Now I wasn't going to do this but with all the stupid comments being made by certain parties, I feel compelled to tell you about the, 'real,' story behind Garcia leaving, and all that I tell has come from a reliable source. The fact is, this is the year that we make the push for the top, Oscar was told this, and his brief was to identify those that had to go and those that should come in. The talks started a few weeks before the end of the season, the reason being that a place in the play-offs looked unlikely and even if we got there, our squad was not up to getting thru to Wembley. Oscar was informed that there is a large war chest available, with most of the money coming from the sale of the new facility naming rights and our new shirt deal. Last year's budget was not used up and along some of the profits from last year's sales this money would be added to the total. Garcia, at first, was very upbeat about the plan, he could see that the club meant business, and indeed our charge for the top next season will be very real, and that's when the problems started. Quiet man Oscar, came to realise just what he was being asked to do, spend in a way that this club hasn't done in it's history, upwards of 15 million is on the table. Garcia was faced with just two choices, take on the task or walk away, the man accepted his own lack of knowledge of our market and decided to walk away, one season just wasn't long enough to learn all that was needed. It is possible that Ulloa will go, but only if our price is met in full, and if he does go, all the money gained from the sale will be added to the war chest, taking the total to over 20 million. Some big pay cheques have been removed from our total payout, and the plan is to use these wages to bring in younger, faster and more techinically able players on similalr wages, and these players will all come from the prem div or from abroad. Now all I have written is BS, I am sure that you worked that out very quickly, just a dream, but my words are about as genuine as all the crap written by those that say, 'I have stopped my payments, along with 22 others,' or, Burke will be rummaging thru the bargain basement looking for cheap labour.[/p][/quote]What pure out and out rubbish lol haha.My god Vegas even the most brain dead would not believe this.My god you really do live in a dream man.What part of the world did you pick this up from today lol.[/p][/quote]Blimey, you have a pop at me a few days ago for basing a logical opinion on "supposition" (a term that's easy to throw out there when you don't agree) and then write 6 paragraphs of a self-admitted fairytale. Where in hell's back garden does that take us? The facts are that the squad is decimated, we haven't got a manager, we've not heard a jot from the club for at least ten days, The Argus would be appear to be completely persona non-grata at The Amex and a DOF set up that's got rid of two blokes in a year would appear to be stalling the arrival of anyone new. (Sorry that last bit was supposition again, I must stop using my creative instincts.) I agree this forum is full of its share of numbskulls, but until the club gets off it's 'arris and DOES something, critical comments about bargain basement tactics are to be expected - whether you, me or anyone else agrees. It's a forum mate, not your blog site.[/p][/quote]Apologies, linked to wrong thread. Rant meant for Vegas not the numbskull..... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 0

11:57am Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Now I wasn't going to do this but with all the stupid comments being made by certain parties, I feel compelled to tell you about the, 'real,' story behind Garcia leaving, and all that I tell has come from a reliable source.

The fact is, this is the year that we make the push for the top, Oscar was told this, and his brief was to identify those that had to go and those that should come in. The talks started a few weeks before the end of the season, the reason being that a place in the play-offs looked unlikely and even if we got there, our squad was not up to getting thru to Wembley.

Oscar was informed that there is a large war chest available, with most of the money coming from the sale of the new facility naming rights and our new shirt deal. Last year's budget was not used up and along some of the profits from last year's sales this money would be added to the total.

Garcia, at first, was very upbeat about the plan, he could see that the club meant business, and indeed our charge for the top next season will be very real, and that's when the problems started. Quiet man Oscar, came to realise just what he was being asked to do, spend in a way that this club hasn't done in it's history, upwards of 15 million is on the table. Garcia was faced with just two choices, take on the task or walk away, the man accepted his own lack of knowledge of our market and decided to walk away, one season just wasn't long enough to learn all that was needed.

It is possible that Ulloa will go, but only if our price is met in full, and if he does go, all the money gained from the sale will be added to the war chest, taking the total to over 20 million. Some big pay cheques have been removed from our total payout, and the plan is to use these wages to bring in younger, faster and more techinically able players on similalr wages, and these players will all come from the prem div or from abroad.

Now all I have written is BS, I am sure that you worked that out very quickly, just a dream, but my words are about as genuine as all the crap written by those that say, 'I have stopped my payments, along with 22 others,' or, Burke will be rummaging thru the bargain basement looking for cheap labour.
Naming rights and shirt money will only be big if we hit the premier league
prem or no prem we, 'will,' have some new money at the club this coming season.
What about season ticket money, what about us being the most expensive club to watch in this league? We can afford to pay Hoskins 250k to get fit, but can't sign grabban when we need to offer him a deal he can't say no to.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Now I wasn't going to do this but with all the stupid comments being made by certain parties, I feel compelled to tell you about the, 'real,' story behind Garcia leaving, and all that I tell has come from a reliable source. The fact is, this is the year that we make the push for the top, Oscar was told this, and his brief was to identify those that had to go and those that should come in. The talks started a few weeks before the end of the season, the reason being that a place in the play-offs looked unlikely and even if we got there, our squad was not up to getting thru to Wembley. Oscar was informed that there is a large war chest available, with most of the money coming from the sale of the new facility naming rights and our new shirt deal. Last year's budget was not used up and along some of the profits from last year's sales this money would be added to the total. Garcia, at first, was very upbeat about the plan, he could see that the club meant business, and indeed our charge for the top next season will be very real, and that's when the problems started. Quiet man Oscar, came to realise just what he was being asked to do, spend in a way that this club hasn't done in it's history, upwards of 15 million is on the table. Garcia was faced with just two choices, take on the task or walk away, the man accepted his own lack of knowledge of our market and decided to walk away, one season just wasn't long enough to learn all that was needed. It is possible that Ulloa will go, but only if our price is met in full, and if he does go, all the money gained from the sale will be added to the war chest, taking the total to over 20 million. Some big pay cheques have been removed from our total payout, and the plan is to use these wages to bring in younger, faster and more techinically able players on similalr wages, and these players will all come from the prem div or from abroad. Now all I have written is BS, I am sure that you worked that out very quickly, just a dream, but my words are about as genuine as all the crap written by those that say, 'I have stopped my payments, along with 22 others,' or, Burke will be rummaging thru the bargain basement looking for cheap labour.[/p][/quote]Naming rights and shirt money will only be big if we hit the premier league[/p][/quote]prem or no prem we, 'will,' have some new money at the club this coming season.[/p][/quote]What about season ticket money, what about us being the most expensive club to watch in this league? We can afford to pay Hoskins 250k to get fit, but can't sign grabban when we need to offer him a deal he can't say no to. mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

11:59am Sat 24 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

pjwilk wrote:
It feels to me we are one of the poorest clubs in the league,financially.W

e are being outbid on signing on fees on wages and on length of contracts.Being outbid by clubs on 10,000 fans.Burke needs to get his purse out and sign good contracted players ,(guess he wouldn't know a good player if he fell over him).Lets get a good Manager,Brian McDermott would be good and dump Burke because he lives up to his name.
with respect, who have we missed out on to date since our season ended.
TK made it clear several weeks ago that he wanted a prem club, he told us that he was good enough to play at the top level, and that his agent was exploring his options.
Upson, he might well have thought that he had done enough to get a prem club and sure enough he did, had that not happened I feel sure that he would have stayed for another year, why wouldn't he.
True to say that some clubs have completed some deals, both in and out, but there is a long time to go before the window closes, heck it aint even opened yet.
Manager first, rebuild second, no need to panic.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: It feels to me we are one of the poorest clubs in the league,financially.W e are being outbid on signing on fees on wages and on length of contracts.Being outbid by clubs on 10,000 fans.Burke needs to get his purse out and sign good contracted players ,(guess he wouldn't know a good player if he fell over him).Lets get a good Manager,Brian McDermott would be good and dump Burke because he lives up to his name.[/p][/quote]with respect, who have we missed out on to date since our season ended. TK made it clear several weeks ago that he wanted a prem club, he told us that he was good enough to play at the top level, and that his agent was exploring his options. Upson, he might well have thought that he had done enough to get a prem club and sure enough he did, had that not happened I feel sure that he would have stayed for another year, why wouldn't he. True to say that some clubs have completed some deals, both in and out, but there is a long time to go before the window closes, heck it aint even opened yet. Manager first, rebuild second, no need to panic. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 10

12:02pm Sat 24 May 14

gordongull says...

Andrea Orlandigasm wrote:
Am I the only 1 getting more than a little tired of a certain poster's obsession with slagging off Dunk, whatever username he uses? I'm not sure what his agenda is but we get the message: He doesn't like the bloke or rate him as a footballer. At least my obsession with Andrea (RIP) is a positive 1, based on his smile, legs, accent etc as well as his ability! I'm guessing that the certain poster hasn't played for a Championship club. Whether or nor Dunk is up to top-end Championship standard (I have reservations), we've got a lot else to worry about and crucifying 1 player isn't very helpful or edifying.
You are going to need a new name.
How about Dunkgasm? :)
[quote][p][bold]Andrea Orlandigasm[/bold] wrote: Am I the only 1 getting more than a little tired of a certain poster's obsession with slagging off Dunk, whatever username he uses? I'm not sure what his agenda is but we get the message: He doesn't like the bloke or rate him as a footballer. At least my obsession with Andrea (RIP) is a positive 1, based on his smile, legs, accent etc as well as his ability! I'm guessing that the certain poster hasn't played for a Championship club. Whether or nor Dunk is up to top-end Championship standard (I have reservations), we've got a lot else to worry about and crucifying 1 player isn't very helpful or edifying.[/p][/quote]You are going to need a new name. How about Dunkgasm? :) gordongull
  • Score: 2

12:12pm Sat 24 May 14

arc12 says...

I personally think with the state of finances in The Championship today and with our need to cut costs I don't expect much investment in the team this summer. Walton might be given a chance in goal, Chicksen at right back, Vitalijs Maksimenko might be given a Centre Back chance, and then JFC, Rohan Ince, Nzuzi Toko and Solly March I would all expect to be regulars next season. I honestly think the club are looking at going down this route to comply with FFP. It might mean a few seasons of struggle but I for one am NOT expecting a large influx of new players. Yes, 2 or 3 will come in but I would rather see youth given a chance than cripple our club with debts we can't sustain. This though is likely to be a reason there is so little news regarding a new managerial appointment as it's likely to be a lean year or two developing these younger players. I do hope an appointment is made by the time the World Cup starts.
I personally think with the state of finances in The Championship today and with our need to cut costs I don't expect much investment in the team this summer. Walton might be given a chance in goal, Chicksen at right back, Vitalijs Maksimenko might be given a Centre Back chance, and then JFC, Rohan Ince, Nzuzi Toko and Solly March I would all expect to be regulars next season. I honestly think the club are looking at going down this route to comply with FFP. It might mean a few seasons of struggle but I for one am NOT expecting a large influx of new players. Yes, 2 or 3 will come in but I would rather see youth given a chance than cripple our club with debts we can't sustain. This though is likely to be a reason there is so little news regarding a new managerial appointment as it's likely to be a lean year or two developing these younger players. I do hope an appointment is made by the time the World Cup starts. arc12
  • Score: -1

12:15pm Sat 24 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

arc12 wrote:
I personally think with the state of finances in The Championship today and with our need to cut costs I don't expect much investment in the team this summer. Walton might be given a chance in goal, Chicksen at right back, Vitalijs Maksimenko might be given a Centre Back chance, and then JFC, Rohan Ince, Nzuzi Toko and Solly March I would all expect to be regulars next season. I honestly think the club are looking at going down this route to comply with FFP. It might mean a few seasons of struggle but I for one am NOT expecting a large influx of new players. Yes, 2 or 3 will come in but I would rather see youth given a chance than cripple our club with debts we can't sustain. This though is likely to be a reason there is so little news regarding a new managerial appointment as it's likely to be a lean year or two developing these younger players. I do hope an appointment is made by the time the World Cup starts.
I'm not convinced, but you may be right and if you are, it's incumbent upon the club to manage supporter expectation.
[quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: I personally think with the state of finances in The Championship today and with our need to cut costs I don't expect much investment in the team this summer. Walton might be given a chance in goal, Chicksen at right back, Vitalijs Maksimenko might be given a Centre Back chance, and then JFC, Rohan Ince, Nzuzi Toko and Solly March I would all expect to be regulars next season. I honestly think the club are looking at going down this route to comply with FFP. It might mean a few seasons of struggle but I for one am NOT expecting a large influx of new players. Yes, 2 or 3 will come in but I would rather see youth given a chance than cripple our club with debts we can't sustain. This though is likely to be a reason there is so little news regarding a new managerial appointment as it's likely to be a lean year or two developing these younger players. I do hope an appointment is made by the time the World Cup starts.[/p][/quote]I'm not convinced, but you may be right and if you are, it's incumbent upon the club to manage supporter expectation. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -1

12:15pm Sat 24 May 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

mark by the sea says...

Whoever gets the job, will have a massive job on his hands, I see villa has sacked there DOF ..
The new guy will need. 10 million for signing and wages for 10 players.

Yep - just make up your own figures. All of these people with 'inside information'. Frankly it's laughable. Most transfer fees are 'undisclosed' these days and player's wages etc are certainly not in the public domain. Add that to the fact that even Frank Lampard is available on a free transfer - along with hundreds of others - then your figures are nothing but fantasy.
mark by the sea says... Whoever gets the job, will have a massive job on his hands, I see villa has sacked there DOF .. The new guy will need. 10 million for signing and wages for 10 players. Yep - just make up your own figures. All of these people with 'inside information'. Frankly it's laughable. Most transfer fees are 'undisclosed' these days and player's wages etc are certainly not in the public domain. Add that to the fact that even Frank Lampard is available on a free transfer - along with hundreds of others - then your figures are nothing but fantasy. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 7

12:15pm Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
It feels to me we are one of the poorest clubs in the league,financially.W


e are being outbid on signing on fees on wages and on length of contracts.Being outbid by clubs on 10,000 fans.Burke needs to get his purse out and sign good contracted players ,(guess he wouldn't know a good player if he fell over him).Lets get a good Manager,Brian McDermott would be good and dump Burke because he lives up to his name.
with respect, who have we missed out on to date since our season ended.
TK made it clear several weeks ago that he wanted a prem club, he told us that he was good enough to play at the top level, and that his agent was exploring his options.
Upson, he might well have thought that he had done enough to get a prem club and sure enough he did, had that not happened I feel sure that he would have stayed for another year, why wouldn't he.
True to say that some clubs have completed some deals, both in and out, but there is a long time to go before the window closes, heck it aint even opened yet.
Manager first, rebuild second, no need to panic.
What window are you talking about? Players are not out of contract till July 1st but players were allowed to talk to other clubs 3-4 months before there contract ends, that's why upson is leaving! We should have tied up that player at Xmas rather than no contract talks till end of season, we signed ince on a deal in January , but can't offer our player of the year another year?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: It feels to me we are one of the poorest clubs in the league,financially.W e are being outbid on signing on fees on wages and on length of contracts.Being outbid by clubs on 10,000 fans.Burke needs to get his purse out and sign good contracted players ,(guess he wouldn't know a good player if he fell over him).Lets get a good Manager,Brian McDermott would be good and dump Burke because he lives up to his name.[/p][/quote]with respect, who have we missed out on to date since our season ended. TK made it clear several weeks ago that he wanted a prem club, he told us that he was good enough to play at the top level, and that his agent was exploring his options. Upson, he might well have thought that he had done enough to get a prem club and sure enough he did, had that not happened I feel sure that he would have stayed for another year, why wouldn't he. True to say that some clubs have completed some deals, both in and out, but there is a long time to go before the window closes, heck it aint even opened yet. Manager first, rebuild second, no need to panic.[/p][/quote]What window are you talking about? Players are not out of contract till July 1st but players were allowed to talk to other clubs 3-4 months before there contract ends, that's why upson is leaving! We should have tied up that player at Xmas rather than no contract talks till end of season, we signed ince on a deal in January , but can't offer our player of the year another year? mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

12:20pm Sat 24 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Albion in Staffs.
The point I was trying to make is that if you read some of the comments on here you could be forgiven i thinking that the club has collapsed, the gates are pad locked and the bankruptcy laywers are hovering over the stadium.
As a fan of Brighton FC, are you honestly worried about the situation at the club right now, or would you agree that Bloom has his finger on the pulse and we can rely on him to do what is best for the club.

I find these exciting times, a new manager and so many new faces are going to appear wearing the stripes next season, and who knows what these two facts will mean this time next year.
It is so easy to take the negative point of view, as some constantly do, rather than look for the positives. Staffs, we have maybe as many as ten new players coming in, doesn't that get your juices flowing, who knows who they might be, there could be some real quality among them, they might all be proven quality, this transfer window could be amazing for us.

I guess we could do the other thing, we could bemoan our situation, have a few digs at the suits, pick out Burke for special attention, complain that Bloom is not acting quick enough, even tho he has to get it right when appointing a new manager.
We can talk of who we didn't sign last year, but what good would that do, the season is over and right now it's all about the coming one. We could talk about Grabban not coming in, even tho it's odds on that Bornemouth gave him a new deal with the assurance that if a prem club came for him he could go, something he would not have got from us, Borenemouth got 3 million rather than the 1.1 million we would have paid.

We have gotta stay upbeat Staffs, it's too easy not to be.
Albion in Staffs. The point I was trying to make is that if you read some of the comments on here you could be forgiven i thinking that the club has collapsed, the gates are pad locked and the bankruptcy laywers are hovering over the stadium. As a fan of Brighton FC, are you honestly worried about the situation at the club right now, or would you agree that Bloom has his finger on the pulse and we can rely on him to do what is best for the club. I find these exciting times, a new manager and so many new faces are going to appear wearing the stripes next season, and who knows what these two facts will mean this time next year. It is so easy to take the negative point of view, as some constantly do, rather than look for the positives. Staffs, we have maybe as many as ten new players coming in, doesn't that get your juices flowing, who knows who they might be, there could be some real quality among them, they might all be proven quality, this transfer window could be amazing for us. I guess we could do the other thing, we could bemoan our situation, have a few digs at the suits, pick out Burke for special attention, complain that Bloom is not acting quick enough, even tho he has to get it right when appointing a new manager. We can talk of who we didn't sign last year, but what good would that do, the season is over and right now it's all about the coming one. We could talk about Grabban not coming in, even tho it's odds on that Bornemouth gave him a new deal with the assurance that if a prem club came for him he could go, something he would not have got from us, Borenemouth got 3 million rather than the 1.1 million we would have paid. We have gotta stay upbeat Staffs, it's too easy not to be. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

12:20pm Sat 24 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
It feels to me we are one of the poorest clubs in the league,financially.W



e are being outbid on signing on fees on wages and on length of contracts.Being outbid by clubs on 10,000 fans.Burke needs to get his purse out and sign good contracted players ,(guess he wouldn't know a good player if he fell over him).Lets get a good Manager,Brian McDermott would be good and dump Burke because he lives up to his name.
with respect, who have we missed out on to date since our season ended.
TK made it clear several weeks ago that he wanted a prem club, he told us that he was good enough to play at the top level, and that his agent was exploring his options.
Upson, he might well have thought that he had done enough to get a prem club and sure enough he did, had that not happened I feel sure that he would have stayed for another year, why wouldn't he.
True to say that some clubs have completed some deals, both in and out, but there is a long time to go before the window closes, heck it aint even opened yet.
Manager first, rebuild second, no need to panic.
What window are you talking about? Players are not out of contract till July 1st but players were allowed to talk to other clubs 3-4 months before there contract ends, that's why upson is leaving! We should have tied up that player at Xmas rather than no contract talks till end of season, we signed ince on a deal in January , but can't offer our player of the year another year?
Sorry MBTS you keep on about this but players and/or their agents speak to other clubs all the time - irrespective of so-called contractual restrictions.
If Upson wasn't prepared to sign a contract in November, January or May, it's not the club's fault.
He may well have stayed with us if we'd gone up, so on that basis would have hedged his bets through the season and has now exercised his option. The club can't force him to sign and they're hardly likely to make it known halfway through a season that Upson had been offered a new deal but had turned it down.
On this one - in isolation - you can't lay the blame at the club's door.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: It feels to me we are one of the poorest clubs in the league,financially.W e are being outbid on signing on fees on wages and on length of contracts.Being outbid by clubs on 10,000 fans.Burke needs to get his purse out and sign good contracted players ,(guess he wouldn't know a good player if he fell over him).Lets get a good Manager,Brian McDermott would be good and dump Burke because he lives up to his name.[/p][/quote]with respect, who have we missed out on to date since our season ended. TK made it clear several weeks ago that he wanted a prem club, he told us that he was good enough to play at the top level, and that his agent was exploring his options. Upson, he might well have thought that he had done enough to get a prem club and sure enough he did, had that not happened I feel sure that he would have stayed for another year, why wouldn't he. True to say that some clubs have completed some deals, both in and out, but there is a long time to go before the window closes, heck it aint even opened yet. Manager first, rebuild second, no need to panic.[/p][/quote]What window are you talking about? Players are not out of contract till July 1st but players were allowed to talk to other clubs 3-4 months before there contract ends, that's why upson is leaving! We should have tied up that player at Xmas rather than no contract talks till end of season, we signed ince on a deal in January , but can't offer our player of the year another year?[/p][/quote]Sorry MBTS you keep on about this but players and/or their agents speak to other clubs all the time - irrespective of so-called contractual restrictions. If Upson wasn't prepared to sign a contract in November, January or May, it's not the club's fault. He may well have stayed with us if we'd gone up, so on that basis would have hedged his bets through the season and has now exercised his option. The club can't force him to sign and they're hardly likely to make it known halfway through a season that Upson had been offered a new deal but had turned it down. On this one - in isolation - you can't lay the blame at the club's door. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 4

12:23pm Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
mark by the sea says...

Whoever gets the job, will have a massive job on his hands, I see villa has sacked there DOF ..
The new guy will need. 10 million for signing and wages for 10 players.

Yep - just make up your own figures. All of these people with 'inside information'. Frankly it's laughable. Most transfer fees are 'undisclosed' these days and player's wages etc are certainly not in the public domain. Add that to the fact that even Frank Lampard is available on a free transfer - along with hundreds of others - then your figures are nothing but fantasy.
Ten players on 10k a week equal s 5 million a year .. Player will want £50k signing on fee minimum each , so we end up with budget of 4 million for signing fees!
That 10k lis a average .. Where is the fantasy in those figures?
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: mark by the sea says... Whoever gets the job, will have a massive job on his hands, I see villa has sacked there DOF .. The new guy will need. 10 million for signing and wages for 10 players. Yep - just make up your own figures. All of these people with 'inside information'. Frankly it's laughable. Most transfer fees are 'undisclosed' these days and player's wages etc are certainly not in the public domain. Add that to the fact that even Frank Lampard is available on a free transfer - along with hundreds of others - then your figures are nothing but fantasy.[/p][/quote]Ten players on 10k a week equal s 5 million a year .. Player will want £50k signing on fee minimum each , so we end up with budget of 4 million for signing fees! That 10k lis a average .. Where is the fantasy in those figures? mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

12:26pm Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
It feels to me we are one of the poorest clubs in the league,financially.W




e are being outbid on signing on fees on wages and on length of contracts.Being outbid by clubs on 10,000 fans.Burke needs to get his purse out and sign good contracted players ,(guess he wouldn't know a good player if he fell over him).Lets get a good Manager,Brian McDermott would be good and dump Burke because he lives up to his name.
with respect, who have we missed out on to date since our season ended.
TK made it clear several weeks ago that he wanted a prem club, he told us that he was good enough to play at the top level, and that his agent was exploring his options.
Upson, he might well have thought that he had done enough to get a prem club and sure enough he did, had that not happened I feel sure that he would have stayed for another year, why wouldn't he.
True to say that some clubs have completed some deals, both in and out, but there is a long time to go before the window closes, heck it aint even opened yet.
Manager first, rebuild second, no need to panic.
What window are you talking about? Players are not out of contract till July 1st but players were allowed to talk to other clubs 3-4 months before there contract ends, that's why upson is leaving! We should have tied up that player at Xmas rather than no contract talks till end of season, we signed ince on a deal in January , but can't offer our player of the year another year?
Sorry MBTS you keep on about this but players and/or their agents speak to other clubs all the time - irrespective of so-called contractual restrictions.
If Upson wasn't prepared to sign a contract in November, January or May, it's not the club's fault.
He may well have stayed with us if we'd gone up, so on that basis would have hedged his bets through the season and has now exercised his option. The club can't force him to sign and they're hardly likely to make it known halfway through a season that Upson had been offered a new deal but had turned it down.
On this one - in isolation - you can't lay the blame at the club's door.
But that's all guess work, Leicester were not in the premier league in November .. Upson was a class above anyone here. He should have been offered a deal ... The club don't negotiate deals mid season , that's been there stance for a few years! Or are you altering history to base your arguments?
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: It feels to me we are one of the poorest clubs in the league,financially.W e are being outbid on signing on fees on wages and on length of contracts.Being outbid by clubs on 10,000 fans.Burke needs to get his purse out and sign good contracted players ,(guess he wouldn't know a good player if he fell over him).Lets get a good Manager,Brian McDermott would be good and dump Burke because he lives up to his name.[/p][/quote]with respect, who have we missed out on to date since our season ended. TK made it clear several weeks ago that he wanted a prem club, he told us that he was good enough to play at the top level, and that his agent was exploring his options. Upson, he might well have thought that he had done enough to get a prem club and sure enough he did, had that not happened I feel sure that he would have stayed for another year, why wouldn't he. True to say that some clubs have completed some deals, both in and out, but there is a long time to go before the window closes, heck it aint even opened yet. Manager first, rebuild second, no need to panic.[/p][/quote]What window are you talking about? Players are not out of contract till July 1st but players were allowed to talk to other clubs 3-4 months before there contract ends, that's why upson is leaving! We should have tied up that player at Xmas rather than no contract talks till end of season, we signed ince on a deal in January , but can't offer our player of the year another year?[/p][/quote]Sorry MBTS you keep on about this but players and/or their agents speak to other clubs all the time - irrespective of so-called contractual restrictions. If Upson wasn't prepared to sign a contract in November, January or May, it's not the club's fault. He may well have stayed with us if we'd gone up, so on that basis would have hedged his bets through the season and has now exercised his option. The club can't force him to sign and they're hardly likely to make it known halfway through a season that Upson had been offered a new deal but had turned it down. On this one - in isolation - you can't lay the blame at the club's door.[/p][/quote]But that's all guess work, Leicester were not in the premier league in November .. Upson was a class above anyone here. He should have been offered a deal ... The club don't negotiate deals mid season , that's been there stance for a few years! Or are you altering history to base your arguments? mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

12:34pm Sat 24 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion in Staffs.
The point I was trying to make is that if you read some of the comments on here you could be forgiven i thinking that the club has collapsed, the gates are pad locked and the bankruptcy laywers are hovering over the stadium.
As a fan of Brighton FC, are you honestly worried about the situation at the club right now, or would you agree that Bloom has his finger on the pulse and we can rely on him to do what is best for the club.

I find these exciting times, a new manager and so many new faces are going to appear wearing the stripes next season, and who knows what these two facts will mean this time next year.
It is so easy to take the negative point of view, as some constantly do, rather than look for the positives. Staffs, we have maybe as many as ten new players coming in, doesn't that get your juices flowing, who knows who they might be, there could be some real quality among them, they might all be proven quality, this transfer window could be amazing for us.

I guess we could do the other thing, we could bemoan our situation, have a few digs at the suits, pick out Burke for special attention, complain that Bloom is not acting quick enough, even tho he has to get it right when appointing a new manager.
We can talk of who we didn't sign last year, but what good would that do, the season is over and right now it's all about the coming one. We could talk about Grabban not coming in, even tho it's odds on that Bornemouth gave him a new deal with the assurance that if a prem club came for him he could go, something he would not have got from us, Borenemouth got 3 million rather than the 1.1 million we would have paid.

We have gotta stay upbeat Staffs, it's too easy not to be.
Appreciate your response.
My point by return is that in dealing purely with the 'here and now' there are many questions to answer and the facts as they stand invite scrutiny.
Of course there's a possibility that things might look better in a month's time, but you surely cannot deny that right now, things are sliding in the wrong direction and the departure of a second manager/coach in a year for (allegedly) the same basic gripe does ask questions of a set up that is looking difficult to sell in to prospective candidates.
That said (sorry more speculation coming) the reason for the communications' blackout could be that Clement is the man and we've had to keep completely silent in the build up to the CL final as a courtesy to him and RM.
If so, we can expect an announcement on Monday morning, with there rumours starting tomorrow. (remember where you heard it first!!!)
THEN we'd see what the shape for the summer will be, but until then, it's open season on what fans currently see before them.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Albion in Staffs. The point I was trying to make is that if you read some of the comments on here you could be forgiven i thinking that the club has collapsed, the gates are pad locked and the bankruptcy laywers are hovering over the stadium. As a fan of Brighton FC, are you honestly worried about the situation at the club right now, or would you agree that Bloom has his finger on the pulse and we can rely on him to do what is best for the club. I find these exciting times, a new manager and so many new faces are going to appear wearing the stripes next season, and who knows what these two facts will mean this time next year. It is so easy to take the negative point of view, as some constantly do, rather than look for the positives. Staffs, we have maybe as many as ten new players coming in, doesn't that get your juices flowing, who knows who they might be, there could be some real quality among them, they might all be proven quality, this transfer window could be amazing for us. I guess we could do the other thing, we could bemoan our situation, have a few digs at the suits, pick out Burke for special attention, complain that Bloom is not acting quick enough, even tho he has to get it right when appointing a new manager. We can talk of who we didn't sign last year, but what good would that do, the season is over and right now it's all about the coming one. We could talk about Grabban not coming in, even tho it's odds on that Bornemouth gave him a new deal with the assurance that if a prem club came for him he could go, something he would not have got from us, Borenemouth got 3 million rather than the 1.1 million we would have paid. We have gotta stay upbeat Staffs, it's too easy not to be.[/p][/quote]Appreciate your response. My point by return is that in dealing purely with the 'here and now' there are many questions to answer and the facts as they stand invite scrutiny. Of course there's a possibility that things might look better in a month's time, but you surely cannot deny that right now, things are sliding in the wrong direction and the departure of a second manager/coach in a year for (allegedly) the same basic gripe does ask questions of a set up that is looking difficult to sell in to prospective candidates. That said (sorry more speculation coming) the reason for the communications' blackout could be that Clement is the man and we've had to keep completely silent in the build up to the CL final as a courtesy to him and RM. If so, we can expect an announcement on Monday morning, with there rumours starting tomorrow. (remember where you heard it first!!!) THEN we'd see what the shape for the summer will be, but until then, it's open season on what fans currently see before them. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

12:36pm Sat 24 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

MBTS, even if an offer had been made to Upson ont he time line you suggest, do you think he would have signed it there and then, or perhaps keep his options open?
Offer a guy a deal early, and depending on his thinking, doesn't mean he will say yes or no at the time of the offer. Upson knew he would get a one year deal with us no matter when it was offered, but a prem offer would not come about untill after the season ended, not at his age. Upson would have played the waiting game, just in case a prem offer came along, and luckily for him, it did. We didn't have a hope in hell of doing an early deal with Upson.
MBTS, even if an offer had been made to Upson ont he time line you suggest, do you think he would have signed it there and then, or perhaps keep his options open? Offer a guy a deal early, and depending on his thinking, doesn't mean he will say yes or no at the time of the offer. Upson knew he would get a one year deal with us no matter when it was offered, but a prem offer would not come about untill after the season ended, not at his age. Upson would have played the waiting game, just in case a prem offer came along, and luckily for him, it did. We didn't have a hope in hell of doing an early deal with Upson. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 6

12:40pm Sat 24 May 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

iRobot208 says...

100% fact i was 100% correct about Upson going once again because i told this site TK said Upson was off and Dunks got a done deal.100% never wrong once again.We now have 2mths of pure Dunk PR coming from Ex-pat,Vegas and the bl--dy Argus.But not one story will say why not one other club wants it?Such a wonderful player but not one bid yet again lol.

'Never wrong Dave' - confidant of Mark McGhee and senior albion players or just a buffoon and compulsive liar? It's up to you to decide.
iRobot208 says... 100% fact i was 100% correct about Upson going once again because i told this site TK said Upson was off and Dunks got a done deal.100% never wrong once again.We now have 2mths of pure Dunk PR coming from Ex-pat,Vegas and the bl--dy Argus.But not one story will say why not one other club wants it?Such a wonderful player but not one bid yet again lol. 'Never wrong Dave' - confidant of Mark McGhee and senior albion players or just a buffoon and compulsive liar? It's up to you to decide. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: -1

12:41pm Sat 24 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
It feels to me we are one of the poorest clubs in the league,financially.W





e are being outbid on signing on fees on wages and on length of contracts.Being outbid by clubs on 10,000 fans.Burke needs to get his purse out and sign good contracted players ,(guess he wouldn't know a good player if he fell over him).Lets get a good Manager,Brian McDermott would be good and dump Burke because he lives up to his name.
with respect, who have we missed out on to date since our season ended.
TK made it clear several weeks ago that he wanted a prem club, he told us that he was good enough to play at the top level, and that his agent was exploring his options.
Upson, he might well have thought that he had done enough to get a prem club and sure enough he did, had that not happened I feel sure that he would have stayed for another year, why wouldn't he.
True to say that some clubs have completed some deals, both in and out, but there is a long time to go before the window closes, heck it aint even opened yet.
Manager first, rebuild second, no need to panic.
What window are you talking about? Players are not out of contract till July 1st but players were allowed to talk to other clubs 3-4 months before there contract ends, that's why upson is leaving! We should have tied up that player at Xmas rather than no contract talks till end of season, we signed ince on a deal in January , but can't offer our player of the year another year?
Sorry MBTS you keep on about this but players and/or their agents speak to other clubs all the time - irrespective of so-called contractual restrictions.
If Upson wasn't prepared to sign a contract in November, January or May, it's not the club's fault.
He may well have stayed with us if we'd gone up, so on that basis would have hedged his bets through the season and has now exercised his option. The club can't force him to sign and they're hardly likely to make it known halfway through a season that Upson had been offered a new deal but had turned it down.
On this one - in isolation - you can't lay the blame at the club's door.
But that's all guess work, Leicester were not in the premier league in November .. Upson was a class above anyone here. He should have been offered a deal ... The club don't negotiate deals mid season , that's been there stance for a few years! Or are you altering history to base your arguments?
Guesswork? So your appraisal wasn't? Equally, you have no clue whether the club offered anything so you can't unequivocally blame the club. Where I would defend you is that if the club were to publicly state what their position actually was on Upson, we wouldn't need to have the discussion.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: It feels to me we are one of the poorest clubs in the league,financially.W e are being outbid on signing on fees on wages and on length of contracts.Being outbid by clubs on 10,000 fans.Burke needs to get his purse out and sign good contracted players ,(guess he wouldn't know a good player if he fell over him).Lets get a good Manager,Brian McDermott would be good and dump Burke because he lives up to his name.[/p][/quote]with respect, who have we missed out on to date since our season ended. TK made it clear several weeks ago that he wanted a prem club, he told us that he was good enough to play at the top level, and that his agent was exploring his options. Upson, he might well have thought that he had done enough to get a prem club and sure enough he did, had that not happened I feel sure that he would have stayed for another year, why wouldn't he. True to say that some clubs have completed some deals, both in and out, but there is a long time to go before the window closes, heck it aint even opened yet. Manager first, rebuild second, no need to panic.[/p][/quote]What window are you talking about? Players are not out of contract till July 1st but players were allowed to talk to other clubs 3-4 months before there contract ends, that's why upson is leaving! We should have tied up that player at Xmas rather than no contract talks till end of season, we signed ince on a deal in January , but can't offer our player of the year another year?[/p][/quote]Sorry MBTS you keep on about this but players and/or their agents speak to other clubs all the time - irrespective of so-called contractual restrictions. If Upson wasn't prepared to sign a contract in November, January or May, it's not the club's fault. He may well have stayed with us if we'd gone up, so on that basis would have hedged his bets through the season and has now exercised his option. The club can't force him to sign and they're hardly likely to make it known halfway through a season that Upson had been offered a new deal but had turned it down. On this one - in isolation - you can't lay the blame at the club's door.[/p][/quote]But that's all guess work, Leicester were not in the premier league in November .. Upson was a class above anyone here. He should have been offered a deal ... The club don't negotiate deals mid season , that's been there stance for a few years! Or are you altering history to base your arguments?[/p][/quote]Guesswork? So your appraisal wasn't? Equally, you have no clue whether the club offered anything so you can't unequivocally blame the club. Where I would defend you is that if the club were to publicly state what their position actually was on Upson, we wouldn't need to have the discussion. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

12:44pm Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
MBTS, even if an offer had been made to Upson ont he time line you suggest, do you think he would have signed it there and then, or perhaps keep his options open?
Offer a guy a deal early, and depending on his thinking, doesn't mean he will say yes or no at the time of the offer. Upson knew he would get a one year deal with us no matter when it was offered, but a prem offer would not come about untill after the season ended, not at his age. Upson would have played the waiting game, just in case a prem offer came along, and luckily for him, it did. We didn't have a hope in hell of doing an early deal with Upson.
Had he taken it in November with a contract guaranteeing him another year, that is something he would have taken I believe , to be honest I don't think he ever thought another prem club would have come in for him,
But my point is allowing players to go out of contract is not a good idea when he is performing way above anyone else? The same scenario is coming with CMS , one year left on his deal, at 17 k a week and 30 years old, the next deal is his last at this level, don't be surprised to see him walk and take a juicy signing on fee else where this time next year.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: MBTS, even if an offer had been made to Upson ont he time line you suggest, do you think he would have signed it there and then, or perhaps keep his options open? Offer a guy a deal early, and depending on his thinking, doesn't mean he will say yes or no at the time of the offer. Upson knew he would get a one year deal with us no matter when it was offered, but a prem offer would not come about untill after the season ended, not at his age. Upson would have played the waiting game, just in case a prem offer came along, and luckily for him, it did. We didn't have a hope in hell of doing an early deal with Upson.[/p][/quote]Had he taken it in November with a contract guaranteeing him another year, that is something he would have taken I believe , to be honest I don't think he ever thought another prem club would have come in for him, But my point is allowing players to go out of contract is not a good idea when he is performing way above anyone else? The same scenario is coming with CMS , one year left on his deal, at 17 k a week and 30 years old, the next deal is his last at this level, don't be surprised to see him walk and take a juicy signing on fee else where this time next year. mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

12:44pm Sat 24 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
Whoever makes the decisions on who to bring in and who to let go, seems to have got himself in a bit of a mess. We currently have one ( not very good) goalkeeper, one ageing and one developing centre back, two ageing and in Bruno's case, injury prone, right backs, one young, inexperienced and unproven left back , in midfield we look a little stronger, although we can only guess at when Crofts will be back, Stephens was injured, Agustien is a waste of space, JFC still to convince. Up front, it looks likely we may lose Ulloa and CMS is still to prove himself at this level, Buckley and Lua Lua are both injury prone and enigmatic at best. And to cap it all ,there's no-one in place to sort out the mess. So can we please get a manager in place, who understands and agrees to the financial constraints and is willing to work within the structure of the club ( which sadly in my view includes working with a Director of Football, or whatever his title is ), who is likely to stay for more than a season without throwing his toys out of the pram and we can then start to address the disjointed and transient nature of the squad. We need some stability, continuity and to build a strong unit, or "group", as they like to say now. If the season started tomorrow, I wouldn't hold out much hope for our chances.
Spoken like a true Master. Succinct, correct and very fair minded. How come thousands of us can see it but those who matter cannot........an old saying 'there's none so blind as those who don't want to see'.....comes to mind.

I'm guessing that as soon as today's Champion's League Final is over the club will announce the appointment of Paul Clement. If that's what happens I'm trusting that at least he may be one person who is in tune with David Burke since they worked together at Fulham.

If, which is how it appears, the one who plays the piper insists on this, what I consider, waste of money position of D of F in a properly run club insists on sticking with it - at last we might have the two positions singing from the same page - no guarantees in life - but could happen.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: Whoever makes the decisions on who to bring in and who to let go, seems to have got himself in a bit of a mess. We currently have one ( not very good) goalkeeper, one ageing and one developing centre back, two ageing and in Bruno's case, injury prone, right backs, one young, inexperienced and unproven left back , in midfield we look a little stronger, although we can only guess at when Crofts will be back, Stephens was injured, Agustien is a waste of space, JFC still to convince. Up front, it looks likely we may lose Ulloa and CMS is still to prove himself at this level, Buckley and Lua Lua are both injury prone and enigmatic at best. And to cap it all ,there's no-one in place to sort out the mess. So can we please get a manager in place, who understands and agrees to the financial constraints and is willing to work within the structure of the club ( which sadly in my view includes working with a Director of Football, or whatever his title is ), who is likely to stay for more than a season without throwing his toys out of the pram and we can then start to address the disjointed and transient nature of the squad. We need some stability, continuity and to build a strong unit, or "group", as they like to say now. If the season started tomorrow, I wouldn't hold out much hope for our chances.[/p][/quote]Spoken like a true Master. Succinct, correct and very fair minded. How come thousands of us can see it but those who matter cannot........an old saying 'there's none so blind as those who don't want to see'.....comes to mind. I'm guessing that as soon as today's Champion's League Final is over the club will announce the appointment of Paul Clement. If that's what happens I'm trusting that at least he may be one person who is in tune with David Burke since they worked together at Fulham. If, which is how it appears, the one who plays the piper insists on this, what I consider, waste of money position of D of F in a properly run club insists on sticking with it - at last we might have the two positions singing from the same page - no guarantees in life - but could happen. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 3

12:46pm Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
It feels to me we are one of the poorest clubs in the league,financially.W






e are being outbid on signing on fees on wages and on length of contracts.Being outbid by clubs on 10,000 fans.Burke needs to get his purse out and sign good contracted players ,(guess he wouldn't know a good player if he fell over him).Lets get a good Manager,Brian McDermott would be good and dump Burke because he lives up to his name.
with respect, who have we missed out on to date since our season ended.
TK made it clear several weeks ago that he wanted a prem club, he told us that he was good enough to play at the top level, and that his agent was exploring his options.
Upson, he might well have thought that he had done enough to get a prem club and sure enough he did, had that not happened I feel sure that he would have stayed for another year, why wouldn't he.
True to say that some clubs have completed some deals, both in and out, but there is a long time to go before the window closes, heck it aint even opened yet.
Manager first, rebuild second, no need to panic.
What window are you talking about? Players are not out of contract till July 1st but players were allowed to talk to other clubs 3-4 months before there contract ends, that's why upson is leaving! We should have tied up that player at Xmas rather than no contract talks till end of season, we signed ince on a deal in January , but can't offer our player of the year another year?
Sorry MBTS you keep on about this but players and/or their agents speak to other clubs all the time - irrespective of so-called contractual restrictions.
If Upson wasn't prepared to sign a contract in November, January or May, it's not the club's fault.
He may well have stayed with us if we'd gone up, so on that basis would have hedged his bets through the season and has now exercised his option. The club can't force him to sign and they're hardly likely to make it known halfway through a season that Upson had been offered a new deal but had turned it down.
On this one - in isolation - you can't lay the blame at the club's door.
But that's all guess work, Leicester were not in the premier league in November .. Upson was a class above anyone here. He should have been offered a deal ... The club don't negotiate deals mid season , that's been there stance for a few years! Or are you altering history to base your arguments?
Guesswork? So your appraisal wasn't? Equally, you have no clue whether the club offered anything so you can't unequivocally blame the club. Where I would defend you is that if the club were to publicly state what their position actually was on Upson, we wouldn't need to have the discussion.
Yes but the club have over three years always said contract talks are end of season, that's fine with journeymen , but upson would have been on a dozen championship clubs lists, what would your reaction have been had he joined Reading?
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: It feels to me we are one of the poorest clubs in the league,financially.W e are being outbid on signing on fees on wages and on length of contracts.Being outbid by clubs on 10,000 fans.Burke needs to get his purse out and sign good contracted players ,(guess he wouldn't know a good player if he fell over him).Lets get a good Manager,Brian McDermott would be good and dump Burke because he lives up to his name.[/p][/quote]with respect, who have we missed out on to date since our season ended. TK made it clear several weeks ago that he wanted a prem club, he told us that he was good enough to play at the top level, and that his agent was exploring his options. Upson, he might well have thought that he had done enough to get a prem club and sure enough he did, had that not happened I feel sure that he would have stayed for another year, why wouldn't he. True to say that some clubs have completed some deals, both in and out, but there is a long time to go before the window closes, heck it aint even opened yet. Manager first, rebuild second, no need to panic.[/p][/quote]What window are you talking about? Players are not out of contract till July 1st but players were allowed to talk to other clubs 3-4 months before there contract ends, that's why upson is leaving! We should have tied up that player at Xmas rather than no contract talks till end of season, we signed ince on a deal in January , but can't offer our player of the year another year?[/p][/quote]Sorry MBTS you keep on about this but players and/or their agents speak to other clubs all the time - irrespective of so-called contractual restrictions. If Upson wasn't prepared to sign a contract in November, January or May, it's not the club's fault. He may well have stayed with us if we'd gone up, so on that basis would have hedged his bets through the season and has now exercised his option. The club can't force him to sign and they're hardly likely to make it known halfway through a season that Upson had been offered a new deal but had turned it down. On this one - in isolation - you can't lay the blame at the club's door.[/p][/quote]But that's all guess work, Leicester were not in the premier league in November .. Upson was a class above anyone here. He should have been offered a deal ... The club don't negotiate deals mid season , that's been there stance for a few years! Or are you altering history to base your arguments?[/p][/quote]Guesswork? So your appraisal wasn't? Equally, you have no clue whether the club offered anything so you can't unequivocally blame the club. Where I would defend you is that if the club were to publicly state what their position actually was on Upson, we wouldn't need to have the discussion.[/p][/quote]Yes but the club have over three years always said contract talks are end of season, that's fine with journeymen , but upson would have been on a dozen championship clubs lists, what would your reaction have been had he joined Reading? mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

12:47pm Sat 24 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion in Staffs.
The point I was trying to make is that if you read some of the comments on here you could be forgiven i thinking that the club has collapsed, the gates are pad locked and the bankruptcy laywers are hovering over the stadium.
As a fan of Brighton FC, are you honestly worried about the situation at the club right now, or would you agree that Bloom has his finger on the pulse and we can rely on him to do what is best for the club.

I find these exciting times, a new manager and so many new faces are going to appear wearing the stripes next season, and who knows what these two facts will mean this time next year.
It is so easy to take the negative point of view, as some constantly do, rather than look for the positives. Staffs, we have maybe as many as ten new players coming in, doesn't that get your juices flowing, who knows who they might be, there could be some real quality among them, they might all be proven quality, this transfer window could be amazing for us.

I guess we could do the other thing, we could bemoan our situation, have a few digs at the suits, pick out Burke for special attention, complain that Bloom is not acting quick enough, even tho he has to get it right when appointing a new manager.
We can talk of who we didn't sign last year, but what good would that do, the season is over and right now it's all about the coming one. We could talk about Grabban not coming in, even tho it's odds on that Bornemouth gave him a new deal with the assurance that if a prem club came for him he could go, something he would not have got from us, Borenemouth got 3 million rather than the 1.1 million we would have paid.

We have gotta stay upbeat Staffs, it's too easy not to be.
Appreciate your response.
My point by return is that in dealing purely with the 'here and now' there are many questions to answer and the facts as they stand invite scrutiny.
Of course there's a possibility that things might look better in a month's time, but you surely cannot deny that right now, things are sliding in the wrong direction and the departure of a second manager/coach in a year for (allegedly) the same basic gripe does ask questions of a set up that is looking difficult to sell in to prospective candidates.
That said (sorry more speculation coming) the reason for the communications' blackout could be that Clement is the man and we've had to keep completely silent in the build up to the CL final as a courtesy to him and RM.
If so, we can expect an announcement on Monday morning, with there rumours starting tomorrow. (remember where you heard it first!!!)
THEN we'd see what the shape for the summer will be, but until then, it's open season on what fans currently see before them.
there you go Staffs, now you are getting the idea, the first half of your reply, for which I thank you, tells of our situation, and the second half speaks of optimism regarding our new manager.
We all know that much needs to be done to get the squad sorted out, no need to harp on it, and we know that two managers have departed in quick sucession, but your quick summation is all that is needed.

In a week or so Staffs you and I, along with others, will be debating the rights and wrongs of who Bloom chooses to take over. A week or less after that, one by one, we will debate the new players as they come in. I just hope that we can support the new manager and his selections rather than slag them off and point out all the reasons why we shouldn't have signed any of them, including the manager.

Glass half full Staffs.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Albion in Staffs. The point I was trying to make is that if you read some of the comments on here you could be forgiven i thinking that the club has collapsed, the gates are pad locked and the bankruptcy laywers are hovering over the stadium. As a fan of Brighton FC, are you honestly worried about the situation at the club right now, or would you agree that Bloom has his finger on the pulse and we can rely on him to do what is best for the club. I find these exciting times, a new manager and so many new faces are going to appear wearing the stripes next season, and who knows what these two facts will mean this time next year. It is so easy to take the negative point of view, as some constantly do, rather than look for the positives. Staffs, we have maybe as many as ten new players coming in, doesn't that get your juices flowing, who knows who they might be, there could be some real quality among them, they might all be proven quality, this transfer window could be amazing for us. I guess we could do the other thing, we could bemoan our situation, have a few digs at the suits, pick out Burke for special attention, complain that Bloom is not acting quick enough, even tho he has to get it right when appointing a new manager. We can talk of who we didn't sign last year, but what good would that do, the season is over and right now it's all about the coming one. We could talk about Grabban not coming in, even tho it's odds on that Bornemouth gave him a new deal with the assurance that if a prem club came for him he could go, something he would not have got from us, Borenemouth got 3 million rather than the 1.1 million we would have paid. We have gotta stay upbeat Staffs, it's too easy not to be.[/p][/quote]Appreciate your response. My point by return is that in dealing purely with the 'here and now' there are many questions to answer and the facts as they stand invite scrutiny. Of course there's a possibility that things might look better in a month's time, but you surely cannot deny that right now, things are sliding in the wrong direction and the departure of a second manager/coach in a year for (allegedly) the same basic gripe does ask questions of a set up that is looking difficult to sell in to prospective candidates. That said (sorry more speculation coming) the reason for the communications' blackout could be that Clement is the man and we've had to keep completely silent in the build up to the CL final as a courtesy to him and RM. If so, we can expect an announcement on Monday morning, with there rumours starting tomorrow. (remember where you heard it first!!!) THEN we'd see what the shape for the summer will be, but until then, it's open season on what fans currently see before them.[/p][/quote]there you go Staffs, now you are getting the idea, the first half of your reply, for which I thank you, tells of our situation, and the second half speaks of optimism regarding our new manager. We all know that much needs to be done to get the squad sorted out, no need to harp on it, and we know that two managers have departed in quick sucession, but your quick summation is all that is needed. In a week or so Staffs you and I, along with others, will be debating the rights and wrongs of who Bloom chooses to take over. A week or less after that, one by one, we will debate the new players as they come in. I just hope that we can support the new manager and his selections rather than slag them off and point out all the reasons why we shouldn't have signed any of them, including the manager. Glass half full Staffs. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 8

12:50pm Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

mark by the sea wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
mark by the sea says...

Whoever gets the job, will have a massive job on his hands, I see villa has sacked there DOF ..
The new guy will need. 10 million for signing and wages for 10 players.

Yep - just make up your own figures. All of these people with 'inside information'. Frankly it's laughable. Most transfer fees are 'undisclosed' these days and player's wages etc are certainly not in the public domain. Add that to the fact that even Frank Lampard is available on a free transfer - along with hundreds of others - then your figures are nothing but fantasy.
Ten players on 10k a week equal s 5 million a year .. Player will want £50k signing on fee minimum each , so we end up with budget of 4 million for signing fees!
That 10k lis a average .. Where is the fantasy in those figures?
Sorry Brian your internet must be down! Lol
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: mark by the sea says... Whoever gets the job, will have a massive job on his hands, I see villa has sacked there DOF .. The new guy will need. 10 million for signing and wages for 10 players. Yep - just make up your own figures. All of these people with 'inside information'. Frankly it's laughable. Most transfer fees are 'undisclosed' these days and player's wages etc are certainly not in the public domain. Add that to the fact that even Frank Lampard is available on a free transfer - along with hundreds of others - then your figures are nothing but fantasy.[/p][/quote]Ten players on 10k a week equal s 5 million a year .. Player will want £50k signing on fee minimum each , so we end up with budget of 4 million for signing fees! That 10k lis a average .. Where is the fantasy in those figures?[/p][/quote]Sorry Brian your internet must be down! Lol mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

12:54pm Sat 24 May 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

iRobot208 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
MBTS, even if an offer had been made to Upson ont he time line you suggest, do you think he would have signed it there and then, or perhaps keep his options open?
Offer a guy a deal early, and depending on his thinking, doesn't mean he will say yes or no at the time of the offer. Upson knew he would get a one year deal with us no matter when it was offered, but a prem offer would not come about untill after the season ended, not at his age. Upson would have played the waiting game, just in case a prem offer came along, and luckily for him, it did. We didn't have a hope in hell of doing an early deal with Upson.
Again pure rubbish Vegas.You 4get i pointed out on this site mths ago Upson would be going.Plus that TK and Bridcutt both pointed out the Dunk family had a done deal.On top of that OG went running to the national press after the Dunk story in the Argus.You seem to forget these points Vegas for some very odd reason????
I don't expect he bothers to read that drivel!
[quote][p][bold]iRobot208[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: MBTS, even if an offer had been made to Upson ont he time line you suggest, do you think he would have signed it there and then, or perhaps keep his options open? Offer a guy a deal early, and depending on his thinking, doesn't mean he will say yes or no at the time of the offer. Upson knew he would get a one year deal with us no matter when it was offered, but a prem offer would not come about untill after the season ended, not at his age. Upson would have played the waiting game, just in case a prem offer came along, and luckily for him, it did. We didn't have a hope in hell of doing an early deal with Upson.[/p][/quote]Again pure rubbish Vegas.You 4get i pointed out on this site mths ago Upson would be going.Plus that TK and Bridcutt both pointed out the Dunk family had a done deal.On top of that OG went running to the national press after the Dunk story in the Argus.You seem to forget these points Vegas for some very odd reason????[/p][/quote]I don't expect he bothers to read that drivel! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 2

12:54pm Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

mark by the sea wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
mark by the sea says...

Whoever gets the job, will have a massive job on his hands, I see villa has sacked there DOF ..
The new guy will need. 10 million for signing and wages for 10 players.

Yep - just make up your own figures. All of these people with 'inside information'. Frankly it's laughable. Most transfer fees are 'undisclosed' these days and player's wages etc are certainly not in the public domain. Add that to the fact that even Frank Lampard is available on a free transfer - along with hundreds of others - then your figures are nothing but fantasy.
Ten players on 10k a week equal s 5 million a year .. Player will want £50k signing on fee minimum each , so we end up with budget of 4 million for signing fees!
That 10k lis a average .. Where is the fantasy in those figures?
Sorry Brian your internet must be down! Lol
PLEASE CAN FANS REALISE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE TRANSFER, ! ! Agents want money, players want money to move to a new area.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: mark by the sea says... Whoever gets the job, will have a massive job on his hands, I see villa has sacked there DOF .. The new guy will need. 10 million for signing and wages for 10 players. Yep - just make up your own figures. All of these people with 'inside information'. Frankly it's laughable. Most transfer fees are 'undisclosed' these days and player's wages etc are certainly not in the public domain. Add that to the fact that even Frank Lampard is available on a free transfer - along with hundreds of others - then your figures are nothing but fantasy.[/p][/quote]Ten players on 10k a week equal s 5 million a year .. Player will want £50k signing on fee minimum each , so we end up with budget of 4 million for signing fees! That 10k lis a average .. Where is the fantasy in those figures?[/p][/quote]Sorry Brian your internet must be down! Lol[/p][/quote]PLEASE CAN FANS REALISE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE TRANSFER, ! ! Agents want money, players want money to move to a new area. mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

12:56pm Sat 24 May 14

Far gull says...

Love your post Vegas, think it went over many peoples heads. Actually you could be right ..bottom line 99% of us have no clue on how to run a club let alone BHA. FACT!
What i do know is our football under OG was not great most fans i know actually had little idea how we managed to get in the play offs,perhaps Tony saw the same as me and many others.
Fact. Tony and the club in 5 yrs give or take have spent on Amex and training facility 140 odd million. How he sees fit to run the club is actually fine by me. We are a million miles from where we were for the last 30 yrs.
If you ever go to a chelsea hm game there are joint announcements in Russian but hey so what it is Romans club and the fans are left in no doubt about it and have learnt to accept it.
As wr must Barber and Burke. Tony may be right about having them ,he/we may not but we have to respect him or not go.
I do also think whilist unsettling was OG the right man if his language had not improved to even communicate with Tony. How was he to have a massive impact on younger players and implement strategy from top to bottom like sir alex with our new traing/achedemy facilities.
Finally we all know TK went off the boil at the end of the season,did hear another players wife might have been ....alledgedly involved . That might explain a few things too.
Hayho the joys of following albion.
Love your post Vegas, think it went over many peoples heads. Actually you could be right ..bottom line 99% of us have no clue on how to run a club let alone BHA. FACT! What i do know is our football under OG was not great most fans i know actually had little idea how we managed to get in the play offs,perhaps Tony saw the same as me and many others. Fact. Tony and the club in 5 yrs give or take have spent on Amex and training facility 140 odd million. How he sees fit to run the club is actually fine by me. We are a million miles from where we were for the last 30 yrs. If you ever go to a chelsea hm game there are joint announcements in Russian but hey so what it is Romans club and the fans are left in no doubt about it and have learnt to accept it. As wr must Barber and Burke. Tony may be right about having them ,he/we may not but we have to respect him or not go. I do also think whilist unsettling was OG the right man if his language had not improved to even communicate with Tony. How was he to have a massive impact on younger players and implement strategy from top to bottom like sir alex with our new traing/achedemy facilities. Finally we all know TK went off the boil at the end of the season,did hear another players wife might have been ....alledgedly involved . That might explain a few things too. Hayho the joys of following albion. Far gull
  • Score: 3

1:07pm Sat 24 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

MBTS, there is no point in playing the, 'what if,' game, as Staffs says, 'live in the here and now.'

What if, Crofts had not been injured, we might be in the prem div now.
What if CMS had not been injured, who knows how he might have played on the same park as Ulloa.
What if Buckley was less injury prone, same for Orlandi.
What if, Wayne Bridge had stayed, would he not have got injured and missed a lot of the season, or did that happen simply by chance.
What if, we didn't have a year with record breaking injury numbers.
What if, Poyet didn't get the Sunderland job, would another prem club have bought Bridcutt.

Far too many, 'what if's,' but here's one for you, what if Clement gets the job, what sort of recruitment agenda do you think he will have, build from the back?
MBTS, there is no point in playing the, 'what if,' game, as Staffs says, 'live in the here and now.' What if, Crofts had not been injured, we might be in the prem div now. What if CMS had not been injured, who knows how he might have played on the same park as Ulloa. What if Buckley was less injury prone, same for Orlandi. What if, Wayne Bridge had stayed, would he not have got injured and missed a lot of the season, or did that happen simply by chance. What if, we didn't have a year with record breaking injury numbers. What if, Poyet didn't get the Sunderland job, would another prem club have bought Bridcutt. Far too many, 'what if's,' but here's one for you, what if Clement gets the job, what sort of recruitment agenda do you think he will have, build from the back? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

1:09pm Sat 24 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
It feels to me we are one of the poorest clubs in the league,financially.W







e are being outbid on signing on fees on wages and on length of contracts.Being outbid by clubs on 10,000 fans.Burke needs to get his purse out and sign good contracted players ,(guess he wouldn't know a good player if he fell over him).Lets get a good Manager,Brian McDermott would be good and dump Burke because he lives up to his name.
with respect, who have we missed out on to date since our season ended.
TK made it clear several weeks ago that he wanted a prem club, he told us that he was good enough to play at the top level, and that his agent was exploring his options.
Upson, he might well have thought that he had done enough to get a prem club and sure enough he did, had that not happened I feel sure that he would have stayed for another year, why wouldn't he.
True to say that some clubs have completed some deals, both in and out, but there is a long time to go before the window closes, heck it aint even opened yet.
Manager first, rebuild second, no need to panic.
What window are you talking about? Players are not out of contract till July 1st but players were allowed to talk to other clubs 3-4 months before there contract ends, that's why upson is leaving! We should have tied up that player at Xmas rather than no contract talks till end of season, we signed ince on a deal in January , but can't offer our player of the year another year?
Sorry MBTS you keep on about this but players and/or their agents speak to other clubs all the time - irrespective of so-called contractual restrictions.
If Upson wasn't prepared to sign a contract in November, January or May, it's not the club's fault.
He may well have stayed with us if we'd gone up, so on that basis would have hedged his bets through the season and has now exercised his option. The club can't force him to sign and they're hardly likely to make it known halfway through a season that Upson had been offered a new deal but had turned it down.
On this one - in isolation - you can't lay the blame at the club's door.
But that's all guess work, Leicester were not in the premier league in November .. Upson was a class above anyone here. He should have been offered a deal ... The club don't negotiate deals mid season , that's been there stance for a few years! Or are you altering history to base your arguments?
Guesswork? So your appraisal wasn't? Equally, you have no clue whether the club offered anything so you can't unequivocally blame the club. Where I would defend you is that if the club were to publicly state what their position actually was on Upson, we wouldn't need to have the discussion.
Yes but the club have over three years always said contract talks are end of season, that's fine with journeymen , but upson would have been on a dozen championship clubs lists, what would your reaction have been had he joined Reading?
He didn't.
We might as well debate my reaction had we signed David Luiz.
Your assertion about the club's stance on contracts doesn't sit with the fact that Ince signed a new one in January or that Barnes wouldn't, so the sweeping criticism doesn't wash. Why would Ince and Barnes be courted and Upson overlooked? It rather points to the fact Upson preferred to keep his options open so that had we gone up, he may have signed. As we didn't, he's free to find himself one final crack at the PL, which he's done.
The club isn't in control.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: It feels to me we are one of the poorest clubs in the league,financially.W e are being outbid on signing on fees on wages and on length of contracts.Being outbid by clubs on 10,000 fans.Burke needs to get his purse out and sign good contracted players ,(guess he wouldn't know a good player if he fell over him).Lets get a good Manager,Brian McDermott would be good and dump Burke because he lives up to his name.[/p][/quote]with respect, who have we missed out on to date since our season ended. TK made it clear several weeks ago that he wanted a prem club, he told us that he was good enough to play at the top level, and that his agent was exploring his options. Upson, he might well have thought that he had done enough to get a prem club and sure enough he did, had that not happened I feel sure that he would have stayed for another year, why wouldn't he. True to say that some clubs have completed some deals, both in and out, but there is a long time to go before the window closes, heck it aint even opened yet. Manager first, rebuild second, no need to panic.[/p][/quote]What window are you talking about? Players are not out of contract till July 1st but players were allowed to talk to other clubs 3-4 months before there contract ends, that's why upson is leaving! We should have tied up that player at Xmas rather than no contract talks till end of season, we signed ince on a deal in January , but can't offer our player of the year another year?[/p][/quote]Sorry MBTS you keep on about this but players and/or their agents speak to other clubs all the time - irrespective of so-called contractual restrictions. If Upson wasn't prepared to sign a contract in November, January or May, it's not the club's fault. He may well have stayed with us if we'd gone up, so on that basis would have hedged his bets through the season and has now exercised his option. The club can't force him to sign and they're hardly likely to make it known halfway through a season that Upson had been offered a new deal but had turned it down. On this one - in isolation - you can't lay the blame at the club's door.[/p][/quote]But that's all guess work, Leicester were not in the premier league in November .. Upson was a class above anyone here. He should have been offered a deal ... The club don't negotiate deals mid season , that's been there stance for a few years! Or are you altering history to base your arguments?[/p][/quote]Guesswork? So your appraisal wasn't? Equally, you have no clue whether the club offered anything so you can't unequivocally blame the club. Where I would defend you is that if the club were to publicly state what their position actually was on Upson, we wouldn't need to have the discussion.[/p][/quote]Yes but the club have over three years always said contract talks are end of season, that's fine with journeymen , but upson would have been on a dozen championship clubs lists, what would your reaction have been had he joined Reading?[/p][/quote]He didn't. We might as well debate my reaction had we signed David Luiz. Your assertion about the club's stance on contracts doesn't sit with the fact that Ince signed a new one in January or that Barnes wouldn't, so the sweeping criticism doesn't wash. Why would Ince and Barnes be courted and Upson overlooked? It rather points to the fact Upson preferred to keep his options open so that had we gone up, he may have signed. As we didn't, he's free to find himself one final crack at the PL, which he's done. The club isn't in control. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 8

1:21pm Sat 24 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Far gull wrote:
Love your post Vegas, think it went over many peoples heads. Actually you could be right ..bottom line 99% of us have no clue on how to run a club let alone BHA. FACT!
What i do know is our football under OG was not great most fans i know actually had little idea how we managed to get in the play offs,perhaps Tony saw the same as me and many others.
Fact. Tony and the club in 5 yrs give or take have spent on Amex and training facility 140 odd million. How he sees fit to run the club is actually fine by me. We are a million miles from where we were for the last 30 yrs.
If you ever go to a chelsea hm game there are joint announcements in Russian but hey so what it is Romans club and the fans are left in no doubt about it and have learnt to accept it.
As wr must Barber and Burke. Tony may be right about having them ,he/we may not but we have to respect him or not go.
I do also think whilist unsettling was OG the right man if his language had not improved to even communicate with Tony. How was he to have a massive impact on younger players and implement strategy from top to bottom like sir alex with our new traing/achedemy facilities.
Finally we all know TK went off the boil at the end of the season,did hear another players wife might have been ....alledgedly involved . That might explain a few things too.
Hayho the joys of following albion.
The ups and downs of football fans are the same no matter which club you support, be it a lowly non-league team of one of the top flight prem clubs, only the degree of the problem is different.
I am sure that there are non-league supporters sweating on whether or not they will sign this or that player for 5k, and another for 3k, these two guys will make such a difference to their up coming season.
Unitied fans will be waiting on tenderhooks to see if their latest 20 million bid for a player is successful, and another for even more.

As for my earlier comment, now wouldn't it be odd if It turned out that I was close to the truth without even knowing it at the time of writing :-)).
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Love your post Vegas, think it went over many peoples heads. Actually you could be right ..bottom line 99% of us have no clue on how to run a club let alone BHA. FACT! What i do know is our football under OG was not great most fans i know actually had little idea how we managed to get in the play offs,perhaps Tony saw the same as me and many others. Fact. Tony and the club in 5 yrs give or take have spent on Amex and training facility 140 odd million. How he sees fit to run the club is actually fine by me. We are a million miles from where we were for the last 30 yrs. If you ever go to a chelsea hm game there are joint announcements in Russian but hey so what it is Romans club and the fans are left in no doubt about it and have learnt to accept it. As wr must Barber and Burke. Tony may be right about having them ,he/we may not but we have to respect him or not go. I do also think whilist unsettling was OG the right man if his language had not improved to even communicate with Tony. How was he to have a massive impact on younger players and implement strategy from top to bottom like sir alex with our new traing/achedemy facilities. Finally we all know TK went off the boil at the end of the season,did hear another players wife might have been ....alledgedly involved . That might explain a few things too. Hayho the joys of following albion.[/p][/quote]The ups and downs of football fans are the same no matter which club you support, be it a lowly non-league team of one of the top flight prem clubs, only the degree of the problem is different. I am sure that there are non-league supporters sweating on whether or not they will sign this or that player for 5k, and another for 3k, these two guys will make such a difference to their up coming season. Unitied fans will be waiting on tenderhooks to see if their latest 20 million bid for a player is successful, and another for even more. As for my earlier comment, now wouldn't it be odd if It turned out that I was close to the truth without even knowing it at the time of writing :-)). VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

1:22pm Sat 24 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion in Staffs.
The point I was trying to make is that if you read some of the comments on here you could be forgiven i thinking that the club has collapsed, the gates are pad locked and the bankruptcy laywers are hovering over the stadium.
As a fan of Brighton FC, are you honestly worried about the situation at the club right now, or would you agree that Bloom has his finger on the pulse and we can rely on him to do what is best for the club.

I find these exciting times, a new manager and so many new faces are going to appear wearing the stripes next season, and who knows what these two facts will mean this time next year.
It is so easy to take the negative point of view, as some constantly do, rather than look for the positives. Staffs, we have maybe as many as ten new players coming in, doesn't that get your juices flowing, who knows who they might be, there could be some real quality among them, they might all be proven quality, this transfer window could be amazing for us.

I guess we could do the other thing, we could bemoan our situation, have a few digs at the suits, pick out Burke for special attention, complain that Bloom is not acting quick enough, even tho he has to get it right when appointing a new manager.
We can talk of who we didn't sign last year, but what good would that do, the season is over and right now it's all about the coming one. We could talk about Grabban not coming in, even tho it's odds on that Bornemouth gave him a new deal with the assurance that if a prem club came for him he could go, something he would not have got from us, Borenemouth got 3 million rather than the 1.1 million we would have paid.

We have gotta stay upbeat Staffs, it's too easy not to be.
Appreciate your response.
My point by return is that in dealing purely with the 'here and now' there are many questions to answer and the facts as they stand invite scrutiny.
Of course there's a possibility that things might look better in a month's time, but you surely cannot deny that right now, things are sliding in the wrong direction and the departure of a second manager/coach in a year for (allegedly) the same basic gripe does ask questions of a set up that is looking difficult to sell in to prospective candidates.
That said (sorry more speculation coming) the reason for the communications' blackout could be that Clement is the man and we've had to keep completely silent in the build up to the CL final as a courtesy to him and RM.
If so, we can expect an announcement on Monday morning, with there rumours starting tomorrow. (remember where you heard it first!!!)
THEN we'd see what the shape for the summer will be, but until then, it's open season on what fans currently see before them.
there you go Staffs, now you are getting the idea, the first half of your reply, for which I thank you, tells of our situation, and the second half speaks of optimism regarding our new manager.
We all know that much needs to be done to get the squad sorted out, no need to harp on it, and we know that two managers have departed in quick sucession, but your quick summation is all that is needed.

In a week or so Staffs you and I, along with others, will be debating the rights and wrongs of who Bloom chooses to take over. A week or less after that, one by one, we will debate the new players as they come in. I just hope that we can support the new manager and his selections rather than slag them off and point out all the reasons why we shouldn't have signed any of them, including the manager.

Glass half full Staffs.
Oooh, now that sounded a bit patronising and I don't do pats on the head..
I do find it amusing that when supposition meets with your approval, it's suddenly worthy of 'merit'. When it doesn't, you sit in the headmasters chair and dish out the cane.
What is possibly at the heart of this debate is the current vacuum of information. If the current position had been updated (perhaps just once) by the club, it would give fans' opinion a level of context. As it is, we currently have a middleweight contest between blind faith and overt pessimism.
As for me, while there's no context, I just wake up and check which way the 'facts' are making the wind blow.....
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Albion in Staffs. The point I was trying to make is that if you read some of the comments on here you could be forgiven i thinking that the club has collapsed, the gates are pad locked and the bankruptcy laywers are hovering over the stadium. As a fan of Brighton FC, are you honestly worried about the situation at the club right now, or would you agree that Bloom has his finger on the pulse and we can rely on him to do what is best for the club. I find these exciting times, a new manager and so many new faces are going to appear wearing the stripes next season, and who knows what these two facts will mean this time next year. It is so easy to take the negative point of view, as some constantly do, rather than look for the positives. Staffs, we have maybe as many as ten new players coming in, doesn't that get your juices flowing, who knows who they might be, there could be some real quality among them, they might all be proven quality, this transfer window could be amazing for us. I guess we could do the other thing, we could bemoan our situation, have a few digs at the suits, pick out Burke for special attention, complain that Bloom is not acting quick enough, even tho he has to get it right when appointing a new manager. We can talk of who we didn't sign last year, but what good would that do, the season is over and right now it's all about the coming one. We could talk about Grabban not coming in, even tho it's odds on that Bornemouth gave him a new deal with the assurance that if a prem club came for him he could go, something he would not have got from us, Borenemouth got 3 million rather than the 1.1 million we would have paid. We have gotta stay upbeat Staffs, it's too easy not to be.[/p][/quote]Appreciate your response. My point by return is that in dealing purely with the 'here and now' there are many questions to answer and the facts as they stand invite scrutiny. Of course there's a possibility that things might look better in a month's time, but you surely cannot deny that right now, things are sliding in the wrong direction and the departure of a second manager/coach in a year for (allegedly) the same basic gripe does ask questions of a set up that is looking difficult to sell in to prospective candidates. That said (sorry more speculation coming) the reason for the communications' blackout could be that Clement is the man and we've had to keep completely silent in the build up to the CL final as a courtesy to him and RM. If so, we can expect an announcement on Monday morning, with there rumours starting tomorrow. (remember where you heard it first!!!) THEN we'd see what the shape for the summer will be, but until then, it's open season on what fans currently see before them.[/p][/quote]there you go Staffs, now you are getting the idea, the first half of your reply, for which I thank you, tells of our situation, and the second half speaks of optimism regarding our new manager. We all know that much needs to be done to get the squad sorted out, no need to harp on it, and we know that two managers have departed in quick sucession, but your quick summation is all that is needed. In a week or so Staffs you and I, along with others, will be debating the rights and wrongs of who Bloom chooses to take over. A week or less after that, one by one, we will debate the new players as they come in. I just hope that we can support the new manager and his selections rather than slag them off and point out all the reasons why we shouldn't have signed any of them, including the manager. Glass half full Staffs.[/p][/quote]Oooh, now that sounded a bit patronising and I don't do pats on the head.. I do find it amusing that when supposition meets with your approval, it's suddenly worthy of 'merit'. When it doesn't, you sit in the headmasters chair and dish out the cane. What is possibly at the heart of this debate is the current vacuum of information. If the current position had been updated (perhaps just once) by the club, it would give fans' opinion a level of context. As it is, we currently have a middleweight contest between blind faith and overt pessimism. As for me, while there's no context, I just wake up and check which way the 'facts' are making the wind blow..... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 3

1:22pm Sat 24 May 14

john newman says...

GET SPERONI QUICK before someone else does
GET SPERONI QUICK before someone else does john newman
  • Score: -1

1:34pm Sat 24 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion in Staffs.
The point I was trying to make is that if you read some of the comments on here you could be forgiven i thinking that the club has collapsed, the gates are pad locked and the bankruptcy laywers are hovering over the stadium.
As a fan of Brighton FC, are you honestly worried about the situation at the club right now, or would you agree that Bloom has his finger on the pulse and we can rely on him to do what is best for the club.

I find these exciting times, a new manager and so many new faces are going to appear wearing the stripes next season, and who knows what these two facts will mean this time next year.
It is so easy to take the negative point of view, as some constantly do, rather than look for the positives. Staffs, we have maybe as many as ten new players coming in, doesn't that get your juices flowing, who knows who they might be, there could be some real quality among them, they might all be proven quality, this transfer window could be amazing for us.

I guess we could do the other thing, we could bemoan our situation, have a few digs at the suits, pick out Burke for special attention, complain that Bloom is not acting quick enough, even tho he has to get it right when appointing a new manager.
We can talk of who we didn't sign last year, but what good would that do, the season is over and right now it's all about the coming one. We could talk about Grabban not coming in, even tho it's odds on that Bornemouth gave him a new deal with the assurance that if a prem club came for him he could go, something he would not have got from us, Borenemouth got 3 million rather than the 1.1 million we would have paid.

We have gotta stay upbeat Staffs, it's too easy not to be.
Appreciate your response.
My point by return is that in dealing purely with the 'here and now' there are many questions to answer and the facts as they stand invite scrutiny.
Of course there's a possibility that things might look better in a month's time, but you surely cannot deny that right now, things are sliding in the wrong direction and the departure of a second manager/coach in a year for (allegedly) the same basic gripe does ask questions of a set up that is looking difficult to sell in to prospective candidates.
That said (sorry more speculation coming) the reason for the communications' blackout could be that Clement is the man and we've had to keep completely silent in the build up to the CL final as a courtesy to him and RM.
If so, we can expect an announcement on Monday morning, with there rumours starting tomorrow. (remember where you heard it first!!!)
THEN we'd see what the shape for the summer will be, but until then, it's open season on what fans currently see before them.
there you go Staffs, now you are getting the idea, the first half of your reply, for which I thank you, tells of our situation, and the second half speaks of optimism regarding our new manager.
We all know that much needs to be done to get the squad sorted out, no need to harp on it, and we know that two managers have departed in quick sucession, but your quick summation is all that is needed.

In a week or so Staffs you and I, along with others, will be debating the rights and wrongs of who Bloom chooses to take over. A week or less after that, one by one, we will debate the new players as they come in. I just hope that we can support the new manager and his selections rather than slag them off and point out all the reasons why we shouldn't have signed any of them, including the manager.

Glass half full Staffs.
Oooh, now that sounded a bit patronising and I don't do pats on the head..
I do find it amusing that when supposition meets with your approval, it's suddenly worthy of 'merit'. When it doesn't, you sit in the headmasters chair and dish out the cane.
What is possibly at the heart of this debate is the current vacuum of information. If the current position had been updated (perhaps just once) by the club, it would give fans' opinion a level of context. As it is, we currently have a middleweight contest between blind faith and overt pessimism.
As for me, while there's no context, I just wake up and check which way the 'facts' are making the wind blow.....
not sure I agree with your, 'headmaster,' comment, but I will take that one on the chin as it is true that I am indulging in a little, 'preaching.' Staffs my goal is to try and persuade, 'some,' to get their chins off the floor over what they see as the demise of our club. There is no factual evidence that might suggest that we (the club) have lost our way, and there won't be, one way or the other, untill we see who Bloom appoints and what moves the new guy makes. There is a big difference between offering a genuine concern compared to ringing the alarm bell before the fire has even started to smoke.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Albion in Staffs. The point I was trying to make is that if you read some of the comments on here you could be forgiven i thinking that the club has collapsed, the gates are pad locked and the bankruptcy laywers are hovering over the stadium. As a fan of Brighton FC, are you honestly worried about the situation at the club right now, or would you agree that Bloom has his finger on the pulse and we can rely on him to do what is best for the club. I find these exciting times, a new manager and so many new faces are going to appear wearing the stripes next season, and who knows what these two facts will mean this time next year. It is so easy to take the negative point of view, as some constantly do, rather than look for the positives. Staffs, we have maybe as many as ten new players coming in, doesn't that get your juices flowing, who knows who they might be, there could be some real quality among them, they might all be proven quality, this transfer window could be amazing for us. I guess we could do the other thing, we could bemoan our situation, have a few digs at the suits, pick out Burke for special attention, complain that Bloom is not acting quick enough, even tho he has to get it right when appointing a new manager. We can talk of who we didn't sign last year, but what good would that do, the season is over and right now it's all about the coming one. We could talk about Grabban not coming in, even tho it's odds on that Bornemouth gave him a new deal with the assurance that if a prem club came for him he could go, something he would not have got from us, Borenemouth got 3 million rather than the 1.1 million we would have paid. We have gotta stay upbeat Staffs, it's too easy not to be.[/p][/quote]Appreciate your response. My point by return is that in dealing purely with the 'here and now' there are many questions to answer and the facts as they stand invite scrutiny. Of course there's a possibility that things might look better in a month's time, but you surely cannot deny that right now, things are sliding in the wrong direction and the departure of a second manager/coach in a year for (allegedly) the same basic gripe does ask questions of a set up that is looking difficult to sell in to prospective candidates. That said (sorry more speculation coming) the reason for the communications' blackout could be that Clement is the man and we've had to keep completely silent in the build up to the CL final as a courtesy to him and RM. If so, we can expect an announcement on Monday morning, with there rumours starting tomorrow. (remember where you heard it first!!!) THEN we'd see what the shape for the summer will be, but until then, it's open season on what fans currently see before them.[/p][/quote]there you go Staffs, now you are getting the idea, the first half of your reply, for which I thank you, tells of our situation, and the second half speaks of optimism regarding our new manager. We all know that much needs to be done to get the squad sorted out, no need to harp on it, and we know that two managers have departed in quick sucession, but your quick summation is all that is needed. In a week or so Staffs you and I, along with others, will be debating the rights and wrongs of who Bloom chooses to take over. A week or less after that, one by one, we will debate the new players as they come in. I just hope that we can support the new manager and his selections rather than slag them off and point out all the reasons why we shouldn't have signed any of them, including the manager. Glass half full Staffs.[/p][/quote]Oooh, now that sounded a bit patronising and I don't do pats on the head.. I do find it amusing that when supposition meets with your approval, it's suddenly worthy of 'merit'. When it doesn't, you sit in the headmasters chair and dish out the cane. What is possibly at the heart of this debate is the current vacuum of information. If the current position had been updated (perhaps just once) by the club, it would give fans' opinion a level of context. As it is, we currently have a middleweight contest between blind faith and overt pessimism. As for me, while there's no context, I just wake up and check which way the 'facts' are making the wind blow.....[/p][/quote]not sure I agree with your, 'headmaster,' comment, but I will take that one on the chin as it is true that I am indulging in a little, 'preaching.' Staffs my goal is to try and persuade, 'some,' to get their chins off the floor over what they see as the demise of our club. There is no factual evidence that might suggest that we (the club) have lost our way, and there won't be, one way or the other, untill we see who Bloom appoints and what moves the new guy makes. There is a big difference between offering a genuine concern compared to ringing the alarm bell before the fire has even started to smoke. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

1:36pm Sat 24 May 14

gordongull says...

''New Albion boss must build from the back''
The question is What resources will he be provided with in order to carry that out.
Oscar overachieved with the players available to him, so there is a perception that we are a top six side. The pressure on him did not decrease after the transfers of Bridcutt, Barnes, and El Abd, and the same will apply to the new Manager.
Unless Player costs reduce significantly over the coming months, I think that Mark's figure of 10m is the minimum requirement for rebuilding the team if it is to include the cost of replacing Ulloa.
Candidates for the job will see this as an opportunity if that kind of money is available, and they have a say in which players are targeted.
They will also be acutely aware that in the absence of adequate funding, they could soon be managing a team that is not capable of achieving the high expectation levels.
Managers with a good reputation in the game are unlikely to put that reputation at risk if there is a high probability that they are being set up as the fall guy for when things don't work out.
''New Albion boss must build from the back'' The question is What resources will he be provided with in order to carry that out. Oscar overachieved with the players available to him, so there is a perception that we are a top six side. The pressure on him did not decrease after the transfers of Bridcutt, Barnes, and El Abd, and the same will apply to the new Manager. Unless Player costs reduce significantly over the coming months, I think that Mark's figure of 10m is the minimum requirement for rebuilding the team if it is to include the cost of replacing Ulloa. Candidates for the job will see this as an opportunity if that kind of money is available, and they have a say in which players are targeted. They will also be acutely aware that in the absence of adequate funding, they could soon be managing a team that is not capable of achieving the high expectation levels. Managers with a good reputation in the game are unlikely to put that reputation at risk if there is a high probability that they are being set up as the fall guy for when things don't work out. gordongull
  • Score: 3

1:47pm Sat 24 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Maybe managers should be more willing to take a punt and show their true mettle. Pulis did it at Palace when everyone thought he was on a hiding to nothing, and his stock has grown exponentially.

Taking on easy jobs might be considered a lack of faith in one's own abilities, perhaps?
Maybe managers should be more willing to take a punt and show their true mettle. Pulis did it at Palace when everyone thought he was on a hiding to nothing, and his stock has grown exponentially. Taking on easy jobs might be considered a lack of faith in one's own abilities, perhaps? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

1:55pm Sat 24 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

I have a question for anyone that cares to reply, and sorry, it is about the FFP rules.

The club reported that we lost 14 million two season back, Barber assured us that we will reduce that figure by some 3 millions from money eaned from last season, so our operating losses for last season, could be around 11 million.
Given the sales we made last year, and if that money was directed toward our losses, the 11 million figure could drop as low at 7 million. Bloom, if he chose to, can inject a further 3 million under the FFP rules, so that figure could now come down to just 4 million. Selling the naming right to our new facility and our new shirt deal, could give us the funds to wipe the debt our completely, so my question is, if we can wipe the debt out should we, even if that has some baring on our transfer dealings this year? This move might mean that we have a year of consolidation followed by a year of spending, within what we are allowed to spend once we reach break even as required to do so by the FFP. Does it help us to get the FFP off our backs?
I have a question for anyone that cares to reply, and sorry, it is about the FFP rules. The club reported that we lost 14 million two season back, Barber assured us that we will reduce that figure by some 3 millions from money eaned from last season, so our operating losses for last season, could be around 11 million. Given the sales we made last year, and if that money was directed toward our losses, the 11 million figure could drop as low at 7 million. Bloom, if he chose to, can inject a further 3 million under the FFP rules, so that figure could now come down to just 4 million. Selling the naming right to our new facility and our new shirt deal, could give us the funds to wipe the debt our completely, so my question is, if we can wipe the debt out should we, even if that has some baring on our transfer dealings this year? This move might mean that we have a year of consolidation followed by a year of spending, within what we are allowed to spend once we reach break even as required to do so by the FFP. Does it help us to get the FFP off our backs? VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

1:57pm Sat 24 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

IMO, comply with FFP as far as possible. Anything else is reckless.
IMO, comply with FFP as far as possible. Anything else is reckless. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

2:04pm Sat 24 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

keswick wrote:
9 of us wrote:
'that's it, I've cancelled my ST, me and 22 others are not paying' etc etc.
Boring boys & girls.
It's May and the Play offs have not even ended. We finish 10th, 4th and 6th in our 3 seasons at the Amex. Not bad given that your comments would of suggested that we were relegation material with a management set up that doesn't know what it's doing.
Following your team, attending matches is a life long journey. Yes it will have its ups and downs and you will have great times and awful times, however, true fans still attend, still pay their monies and do not post such utter nonsense as I quoted at the start of this thread.
I know as do most on this site that there are genuine fans and those that are simply spiteful and jealous. It's a fact of life.
Enjoy the Summer and lets see who comes in and above all remain positive.
UTA
Exactly, true fans do not come out with garbage like that. Truth is the poor little soul does not have 22 friends, or probably 2 for that matter. As you say most on here are genuine fans, who of course may or may not agree with each other, but unfortunately there are a handful of people with their own axe to grind that ruins the site.
If everyone withdrew their support just because the club was being run in a way that differed from their own ideas - we wouldn't have a club!!!! I think it's great that people can air their opinions and true fans will be back whatever happens - it's in the heart, cannot be replaced. And obviously not all players, coaches, managers, owners and staff have that same 'incurable' disease!

At least we have an owner whose devotion is unquestionable even though some of his judgements of characters may be. At least we know that all his decisions are well intended.

I'd really like to see Tony around the place a little more so that he can feel any conflictual energies and sort them out.

If you read DK's book it's clear that there is a lot of un-resolved bitterness from Dick towards those still involved. Don't think that doesn't affect everything since energy is all connected.

That's why when you have a club, business or family where any conflicts are settled quickly and swiftly and harmony returns - they run smoothly. That's what can happen at The Amex too - it's not all about the money. Remember the Wimbledon FC of the old days. They achieved amazing success despite very limited resources. The reason EVERYONE was united. From Chairman/Owner (Sam Hamman - think was his name) down to the laundry lady! And despite any results they always had FUN!

So that's what I'll be hoping for - great harmony and team spirit throughout the Club. When you have that at the top - it will filter down through all levels, including playing staff - AND the opposite happens too!
[quote][p][bold]keswick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]9 of us[/bold] wrote: 'that's it, I've cancelled my ST, me and 22 others are not paying' etc etc. Boring boys & girls. It's May and the Play offs have not even ended. We finish 10th, 4th and 6th in our 3 seasons at the Amex. Not bad given that your comments would of suggested that we were relegation material with a management set up that doesn't know what it's doing. Following your team, attending matches is a life long journey. Yes it will have its ups and downs and you will have great times and awful times, however, true fans still attend, still pay their monies and do not post such utter nonsense as I quoted at the start of this thread. I know as do most on this site that there are genuine fans and those that are simply spiteful and jealous. It's a fact of life. Enjoy the Summer and lets see who comes in and above all remain positive. UTA[/p][/quote]Exactly, true fans do not come out with garbage like that. Truth is the poor little soul does not have 22 friends, or probably 2 for that matter. As you say most on here are genuine fans, who of course may or may not agree with each other, but unfortunately there are a handful of people with their own axe to grind that ruins the site.[/p][/quote]If everyone withdrew their support just because the club was being run in a way that differed from their own ideas - we wouldn't have a club!!!! I think it's great that people can air their opinions and true fans will be back whatever happens - it's in the heart, cannot be replaced. And obviously not all players, coaches, managers, owners and staff have that same 'incurable' disease! At least we have an owner whose devotion is unquestionable even though some of his judgements of characters may be. At least we know that all his decisions are well intended. I'd really like to see Tony around the place a little more so that he can feel any conflictual energies and sort them out. If you read DK's book it's clear that there is a lot of un-resolved bitterness from Dick towards those still involved. Don't think that doesn't affect everything since energy is all connected. That's why when you have a club, business or family where any conflicts are settled quickly and swiftly and harmony returns - they run smoothly. That's what can happen at The Amex too - it's not all about the money. Remember the Wimbledon FC of the old days. They achieved amazing success despite very limited resources. The reason EVERYONE was united. From Chairman/Owner (Sam Hamman - think was his name) down to the laundry lady! And despite any results they always had FUN! So that's what I'll be hoping for - great harmony and team spirit throughout the Club. When you have that at the top - it will filter down through all levels, including playing staff - AND the opposite happens too! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 2

2:05pm Sat 24 May 14

Far gull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Far gull wrote:
Love your post Vegas, think it went over many peoples heads. Actually you could be right ..bottom line 99% of us have no clue on how to run a club let alone BHA. FACT!
What i do know is our football under OG was not great most fans i know actually had little idea how we managed to get in the play offs,perhaps Tony saw the same as me and many others.
Fact. Tony and the club in 5 yrs give or take have spent on Amex and training facility 140 odd million. How he sees fit to run the club is actually fine by me. We are a million miles from where we were for the last 30 yrs.
If you ever go to a chelsea hm game there are joint announcements in Russian but hey so what it is Romans club and the fans are left in no doubt about it and have learnt to accept it.
As wr must Barber and Burke. Tony may be right about having them ,he/we may not but we have to respect him or not go.
I do also think whilist unsettling was OG the right man if his language had not improved to even communicate with Tony. How was he to have a massive impact on younger players and implement strategy from top to bottom like sir alex with our new traing/achedemy facilities.
Finally we all know TK went off the boil at the end of the season,did hear another players wife might have been ....alledgedly involved . That might explain a few things too.
Hayho the joys of following albion.
The ups and downs of football fans are the same no matter which club you support, be it a lowly non-league team of one of the top flight prem clubs, only the degree of the problem is different.
I am sure that there are non-league supporters sweating on whether or not they will sign this or that player for 5k, and another for 3k, these two guys will make such a difference to their up coming season.
Unitied fans will be waiting on tenderhooks to see if their latest 20 million bid for a player is successful, and another for even more.

As for my earlier comment, now wouldn't it be odd if It turned out that I was close to the truth without even knowing it at the time of writing :-)).
:-) put it this way no one would actually ever say we had money to spend as all targets would then go up in value aka spurs last transfer season. Everyone knew they would spend big if Bale went and they blew most of the money on 4 players of which only one has even ended up having potential.
Has Villas Boas ever been re employed does anyone know ?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Love your post Vegas, think it went over many peoples heads. Actually you could be right ..bottom line 99% of us have no clue on how to run a club let alone BHA. FACT! What i do know is our football under OG was not great most fans i know actually had little idea how we managed to get in the play offs,perhaps Tony saw the same as me and many others. Fact. Tony and the club in 5 yrs give or take have spent on Amex and training facility 140 odd million. How he sees fit to run the club is actually fine by me. We are a million miles from where we were for the last 30 yrs. If you ever go to a chelsea hm game there are joint announcements in Russian but hey so what it is Romans club and the fans are left in no doubt about it and have learnt to accept it. As wr must Barber and Burke. Tony may be right about having them ,he/we may not but we have to respect him or not go. I do also think whilist unsettling was OG the right man if his language had not improved to even communicate with Tony. How was he to have a massive impact on younger players and implement strategy from top to bottom like sir alex with our new traing/achedemy facilities. Finally we all know TK went off the boil at the end of the season,did hear another players wife might have been ....alledgedly involved . That might explain a few things too. Hayho the joys of following albion.[/p][/quote]The ups and downs of football fans are the same no matter which club you support, be it a lowly non-league team of one of the top flight prem clubs, only the degree of the problem is different. I am sure that there are non-league supporters sweating on whether or not they will sign this or that player for 5k, and another for 3k, these two guys will make such a difference to their up coming season. Unitied fans will be waiting on tenderhooks to see if their latest 20 million bid for a player is successful, and another for even more. As for my earlier comment, now wouldn't it be odd if It turned out that I was close to the truth without even knowing it at the time of writing :-)).[/p][/quote]:-) put it this way no one would actually ever say we had money to spend as all targets would then go up in value aka spurs last transfer season. Everyone knew they would spend big if Bale went and they blew most of the money on 4 players of which only one has even ended up having potential. Has Villas Boas ever been re employed does anyone know ? Far gull
  • Score: 0

2:14pm Sat 24 May 14

Conelli98 says...

I see Gomes has signed for Watford, why did Barber and Burke not try and get him in for next season? were DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
ED!
I see Gomes has signed for Watford, why did Barber and Burke not try and get him in for next season? were DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM ED! Conelli98
  • Score: 3

2:18pm Sat 24 May 14

Conelli98 says...

Neil Lennon gone 10//1 to 3/1 overnight!
Neil Lennon gone 10//1 to 3/1 overnight! Conelli98
  • Score: -4

2:24pm Sat 24 May 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I have a question for anyone that cares to reply, and sorry, it is about the FFP rules.

The club reported that we lost 14 million two season back, Barber assured us that we will reduce that figure by some 3 millions from money eaned from last season, so our operating losses for last season, could be around 11 million.
Given the sales we made last year, and if that money was directed toward our losses, the 11 million figure could drop as low at 7 million. Bloom, if he chose to, can inject a further 3 million under the FFP rules, so that figure could now come down to just 4 million. Selling the naming right to our new facility and our new shirt deal, could give us the funds to wipe the debt our completely, so my question is, if we can wipe the debt out should we, even if that has some baring on our transfer dealings this year? This move might mean that we have a year of consolidation followed by a year of spending, within what we are allowed to spend once we reach break even as required to do so by the FFP. Does it help us to get the FFP off our backs?
There is a fine line between success and failure in this Division, Vegas. As a minimum requirement we need to maintain our Championship status, and the withdrawal of adequate funds to ensure that would be a dangerous road to go down. We need to be better than Doncaster, Barnsley, and Yeovil, and we all saw the results they are capable on their day. Wolves made a swift return to the Championship with the help of parachute money, but teams like Sheffield United are finding out that the 1st Division is a difficult League to get out of.
We don't want to risk it.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have a question for anyone that cares to reply, and sorry, it is about the FFP rules. The club reported that we lost 14 million two season back, Barber assured us that we will reduce that figure by some 3 millions from money eaned from last season, so our operating losses for last season, could be around 11 million. Given the sales we made last year, and if that money was directed toward our losses, the 11 million figure could drop as low at 7 million. Bloom, if he chose to, can inject a further 3 million under the FFP rules, so that figure could now come down to just 4 million. Selling the naming right to our new facility and our new shirt deal, could give us the funds to wipe the debt our completely, so my question is, if we can wipe the debt out should we, even if that has some baring on our transfer dealings this year? This move might mean that we have a year of consolidation followed by a year of spending, within what we are allowed to spend once we reach break even as required to do so by the FFP. Does it help us to get the FFP off our backs?[/p][/quote]There is a fine line between success and failure in this Division, Vegas. As a minimum requirement we need to maintain our Championship status, and the withdrawal of adequate funds to ensure that would be a dangerous road to go down. We need to be better than Doncaster, Barnsley, and Yeovil, and we all saw the results they are capable on their day. Wolves made a swift return to the Championship with the help of parachute money, but teams like Sheffield United are finding out that the 1st Division is a difficult League to get out of. We don't want to risk it. gordongull
  • Score: 0

2:34pm Sat 24 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I have a question for anyone that cares to reply, and sorry, it is about the FFP rules.

The club reported that we lost 14 million two season back, Barber assured us that we will reduce that figure by some 3 millions from money eaned from last season, so our operating losses for last season, could be around 11 million.
Given the sales we made last year, and if that money was directed toward our losses, the 11 million figure could drop as low at 7 million. Bloom, if he chose to, can inject a further 3 million under the FFP rules, so that figure could now come down to just 4 million. Selling the naming right to our new facility and our new shirt deal, could give us the funds to wipe the debt our completely, so my question is, if we can wipe the debt out should we, even if that has some baring on our transfer dealings this year? This move might mean that we have a year of consolidation followed by a year of spending, within what we are allowed to spend once we reach break even as required to do so by the FFP. Does it help us to get the FFP off our backs?
There is a fine line between success and failure in this Division, Vegas. As a minimum requirement we need to maintain our Championship status, and the withdrawal of adequate funds to ensure that would be a dangerous road to go down. We need to be better than Doncaster, Barnsley, and Yeovil, and we all saw the results they are capable on their day. Wolves made a swift return to the Championship with the help of parachute money, but teams like Sheffield United are finding out that the 1st Division is a difficult League to get out of.
We don't want to risk it.
Your words of caution are wise but my scenario, re our debt payoff, woud not affect what ever money is allocated for the transfer budget for this coming year, as I am only talking of using other monies, monies as yet not allocated.
Now it's quite possible that the monies I refer to may not exist or be possible to raise (Bloom 3 million extra), but I think they do.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have a question for anyone that cares to reply, and sorry, it is about the FFP rules. The club reported that we lost 14 million two season back, Barber assured us that we will reduce that figure by some 3 millions from money eaned from last season, so our operating losses for last season, could be around 11 million. Given the sales we made last year, and if that money was directed toward our losses, the 11 million figure could drop as low at 7 million. Bloom, if he chose to, can inject a further 3 million under the FFP rules, so that figure could now come down to just 4 million. Selling the naming right to our new facility and our new shirt deal, could give us the funds to wipe the debt our completely, so my question is, if we can wipe the debt out should we, even if that has some baring on our transfer dealings this year? This move might mean that we have a year of consolidation followed by a year of spending, within what we are allowed to spend once we reach break even as required to do so by the FFP. Does it help us to get the FFP off our backs?[/p][/quote]There is a fine line between success and failure in this Division, Vegas. As a minimum requirement we need to maintain our Championship status, and the withdrawal of adequate funds to ensure that would be a dangerous road to go down. We need to be better than Doncaster, Barnsley, and Yeovil, and we all saw the results they are capable on their day. Wolves made a swift return to the Championship with the help of parachute money, but teams like Sheffield United are finding out that the 1st Division is a difficult League to get out of. We don't want to risk it.[/p][/quote]Your words of caution are wise but my scenario, re our debt payoff, woud not affect what ever money is allocated for the transfer budget for this coming year, as I am only talking of using other monies, monies as yet not allocated. Now it's quite possible that the monies I refer to may not exist or be possible to raise (Bloom 3 million extra), but I think they do. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

2:42pm Sat 24 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion in Staffs.
The point I was trying to make is that if you read some of the comments on here you could be forgiven i thinking that the club has collapsed, the gates are pad locked and the bankruptcy laywers are hovering over the stadium.
As a fan of Brighton FC, are you honestly worried about the situation at the club right now, or would you agree that Bloom has his finger on the pulse and we can rely on him to do what is best for the club.

I find these exciting times, a new manager and so many new faces are going to appear wearing the stripes next season, and who knows what these two facts will mean this time next year.
It is so easy to take the negative point of view, as some constantly do, rather than look for the positives. Staffs, we have maybe as many as ten new players coming in, doesn't that get your juices flowing, who knows who they might be, there could be some real quality among them, they might all be proven quality, this transfer window could be amazing for us.

I guess we could do the other thing, we could bemoan our situation, have a few digs at the suits, pick out Burke for special attention, complain that Bloom is not acting quick enough, even tho he has to get it right when appointing a new manager.
We can talk of who we didn't sign last year, but what good would that do, the season is over and right now it's all about the coming one. We could talk about Grabban not coming in, even tho it's odds on that Bornemouth gave him a new deal with the assurance that if a prem club came for him he could go, something he would not have got from us, Borenemouth got 3 million rather than the 1.1 million we would have paid.

We have gotta stay upbeat Staffs, it's too easy not to be.
Appreciate your response.
My point by return is that in dealing purely with the 'here and now' there are many questions to answer and the facts as they stand invite scrutiny.
Of course there's a possibility that things might look better in a month's time, but you surely cannot deny that right now, things are sliding in the wrong direction and the departure of a second manager/coach in a year for (allegedly) the same basic gripe does ask questions of a set up that is looking difficult to sell in to prospective candidates.
That said (sorry more speculation coming) the reason for the communications' blackout could be that Clement is the man and we've had to keep completely silent in the build up to the CL final as a courtesy to him and RM.
If so, we can expect an announcement on Monday morning, with there rumours starting tomorrow. (remember where you heard it first!!!)
THEN we'd see what the shape for the summer will be, but until then, it's open season on what fans currently see before them.
there you go Staffs, now you are getting the idea, the first half of your reply, for which I thank you, tells of our situation, and the second half speaks of optimism regarding our new manager.
We all know that much needs to be done to get the squad sorted out, no need to harp on it, and we know that two managers have departed in quick sucession, but your quick summation is all that is needed.

In a week or so Staffs you and I, along with others, will be debating the rights and wrongs of who Bloom chooses to take over. A week or less after that, one by one, we will debate the new players as they come in. I just hope that we can support the new manager and his selections rather than slag them off and point out all the reasons why we shouldn't have signed any of them, including the manager.

Glass half full Staffs.
Oooh, now that sounded a bit patronising and I don't do pats on the head..
I do find it amusing that when supposition meets with your approval, it's suddenly worthy of 'merit'. When it doesn't, you sit in the headmasters chair and dish out the cane.
What is possibly at the heart of this debate is the current vacuum of information. If the current position had been updated (perhaps just once) by the club, it would give fans' opinion a level of context. As it is, we currently have a middleweight contest between blind faith and overt pessimism.
As for me, while there's no context, I just wake up and check which way the 'facts' are making the wind blow.....
not sure I agree with your, 'headmaster,' comment, but I will take that one on the chin as it is true that I am indulging in a little, 'preaching.' Staffs my goal is to try and persuade, 'some,' to get their chins off the floor over what they see as the demise of our club. There is no factual evidence that might suggest that we (the club) have lost our way, and there won't be, one way or the other, untill we see who Bloom appoints and what moves the new guy makes. There is a big difference between offering a genuine concern compared to ringing the alarm bell before the fire has even started to smoke.
Final comment on this. Factual evidence is in the eye of the beholder when it comes to football. Some might say signing Toko was good management, others that it illustrates how a new manager will be undermined.
The one 'fact' is there's plenty of circumstantial stuff which doesn't look good right now and I for one, won't shy away from considering that in the 'here and now' during the absence of any context from the club. That's not ringing the alarm bell prematurely, it's just an opinion on how I see it - now.
Equally, when the time comes for heralding some good news, I'll be early in the queue.
Enjoyed the debate, but must go; got a Play off final to watch. Wife is from a Derby family so third party allegiance is softening the blow that it isn't us!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Albion in Staffs. The point I was trying to make is that if you read some of the comments on here you could be forgiven i thinking that the club has collapsed, the gates are pad locked and the bankruptcy laywers are hovering over the stadium. As a fan of Brighton FC, are you honestly worried about the situation at the club right now, or would you agree that Bloom has his finger on the pulse and we can rely on him to do what is best for the club. I find these exciting times, a new manager and so many new faces are going to appear wearing the stripes next season, and who knows what these two facts will mean this time next year. It is so easy to take the negative point of view, as some constantly do, rather than look for the positives. Staffs, we have maybe as many as ten new players coming in, doesn't that get your juices flowing, who knows who they might be, there could be some real quality among them, they might all be proven quality, this transfer window could be amazing for us. I guess we could do the other thing, we could bemoan our situation, have a few digs at the suits, pick out Burke for special attention, complain that Bloom is not acting quick enough, even tho he has to get it right when appointing a new manager. We can talk of who we didn't sign last year, but what good would that do, the season is over and right now it's all about the coming one. We could talk about Grabban not coming in, even tho it's odds on that Bornemouth gave him a new deal with the assurance that if a prem club came for him he could go, something he would not have got from us, Borenemouth got 3 million rather than the 1.1 million we would have paid. We have gotta stay upbeat Staffs, it's too easy not to be.[/p][/quote]Appreciate your response. My point by return is that in dealing purely with the 'here and now' there are many questions to answer and the facts as they stand invite scrutiny. Of course there's a possibility that things might look better in a month's time, but you surely cannot deny that right now, things are sliding in the wrong direction and the departure of a second manager/coach in a year for (allegedly) the same basic gripe does ask questions of a set up that is looking difficult to sell in to prospective candidates. That said (sorry more speculation coming) the reason for the communications' blackout could be that Clement is the man and we've had to keep completely silent in the build up to the CL final as a courtesy to him and RM. If so, we can expect an announcement on Monday morning, with there rumours starting tomorrow. (remember where you heard it first!!!) THEN we'd see what the shape for the summer will be, but until then, it's open season on what fans currently see before them.[/p][/quote]there you go Staffs, now you are getting the idea, the first half of your reply, for which I thank you, tells of our situation, and the second half speaks of optimism regarding our new manager. We all know that much needs to be done to get the squad sorted out, no need to harp on it, and we know that two managers have departed in quick sucession, but your quick summation is all that is needed. In a week or so Staffs you and I, along with others, will be debating the rights and wrongs of who Bloom chooses to take over. A week or less after that, one by one, we will debate the new players as they come in. I just hope that we can support the new manager and his selections rather than slag them off and point out all the reasons why we shouldn't have signed any of them, including the manager. Glass half full Staffs.[/p][/quote]Oooh, now that sounded a bit patronising and I don't do pats on the head.. I do find it amusing that when supposition meets with your approval, it's suddenly worthy of 'merit'. When it doesn't, you sit in the headmasters chair and dish out the cane. What is possibly at the heart of this debate is the current vacuum of information. If the current position had been updated (perhaps just once) by the club, it would give fans' opinion a level of context. As it is, we currently have a middleweight contest between blind faith and overt pessimism. As for me, while there's no context, I just wake up and check which way the 'facts' are making the wind blow.....[/p][/quote]not sure I agree with your, 'headmaster,' comment, but I will take that one on the chin as it is true that I am indulging in a little, 'preaching.' Staffs my goal is to try and persuade, 'some,' to get their chins off the floor over what they see as the demise of our club. There is no factual evidence that might suggest that we (the club) have lost our way, and there won't be, one way or the other, untill we see who Bloom appoints and what moves the new guy makes. There is a big difference between offering a genuine concern compared to ringing the alarm bell before the fire has even started to smoke.[/p][/quote]Final comment on this. Factual evidence is in the eye of the beholder when it comes to football. Some might say signing Toko was good management, others that it illustrates how a new manager will be undermined. The one 'fact' is there's plenty of circumstantial stuff which doesn't look good right now and I for one, won't shy away from considering that in the 'here and now' during the absence of any context from the club. That's not ringing the alarm bell prematurely, it's just an opinion on how I see it - now. Equally, when the time comes for heralding some good news, I'll be early in the queue. Enjoyed the debate, but must go; got a Play off final to watch. Wife is from a Derby family so third party allegiance is softening the blow that it isn't us! Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -1

3:00pm Sat 24 May 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

I have just waisted 20 minutes of my life reading some very good posts on here but an awful lot of dross.
Going back to the greenhouse now. UTA
I have just waisted 20 minutes of my life reading some very good posts on here but an awful lot of dross. Going back to the greenhouse now. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 1

3:09pm Sat 24 May 14

Withdean-er says...

OldGull wrote:
college wrote:
Laudrup's settled with Swansea now, he will be in place here by Wednesday at the latest, Yet another one from Swansea.
interesting shout, at 40-1 you ought to have a bet
Interesting LIE. Save your money - Laudrup had rows with Swansea's board about finances - what would he make of a Championship budget. He will steer well clear.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Laudrup's settled with Swansea now, he will be in place here by Wednesday at the latest, Yet another one from Swansea.[/p][/quote]interesting shout, at 40-1 you ought to have a bet[/p][/quote]Interesting LIE. Save your money - Laudrup had rows with Swansea's board about finances - what would he make of a Championship budget. He will steer well clear. Withdean-er
  • Score: 2

4:02pm Sat 24 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
I have just waisted 20 minutes of my life reading some very good posts on here but an awful lot of dross.
Going back to the greenhouse now. UTA
It's a motley assortment of posters on here, there's those that love the sound of their own voice, (or keypad), those that think they know everything, there's trolls, wind up merchants, idiots, some strange entities plus some real Albion supporters thrown in as well.
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: I have just waisted 20 minutes of my life reading some very good posts on here but an awful lot of dross. Going back to the greenhouse now. UTA[/p][/quote]It's a motley assortment of posters on here, there's those that love the sound of their own voice, (or keypad), those that think they know everything, there's trolls, wind up merchants, idiots, some strange entities plus some real Albion supporters thrown in as well. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 5

4:04pm Sat 24 May 14

ringtone says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Joel'sGrandad wrote:
I have just waisted 20 minutes of my life reading some very good posts on here but an awful lot of dross.
Going back to the greenhouse now. UTA
It's a motley assortment of posters on here, there's those that love the sound of their own voice, (or keypad), those that think they know everything, there's trolls, wind up merchants, idiots, some strange entities plus some real Albion supporters thrown in as well.
Just about sums up this great town of ours, Brighton.
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: I have just waisted 20 minutes of my life reading some very good posts on here but an awful lot of dross. Going back to the greenhouse now. UTA[/p][/quote]It's a motley assortment of posters on here, there's those that love the sound of their own voice, (or keypad), those that think they know everything, there's trolls, wind up merchants, idiots, some strange entities plus some real Albion supporters thrown in as well.[/p][/quote]Just about sums up this great town of ours, Brighton. ringtone
  • Score: 2

4:07pm Sat 24 May 14

ringtone says...

Withdean-er wrote:
OldGull wrote:
college wrote:
Laudrup's settled with Swansea now, he will be in place here by Wednesday at the latest, Yet another one from Swansea.
interesting shout, at 40-1 you ought to have a bet
Interesting LIE. Save your money - Laudrup had rows with Swansea's board about finances - what would he make of a Championship budget. He will steer well clear.
Laudrup. That would be great.
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: Laudrup's settled with Swansea now, he will be in place here by Wednesday at the latest, Yet another one from Swansea.[/p][/quote]interesting shout, at 40-1 you ought to have a bet[/p][/quote]Interesting LIE. Save your money - Laudrup had rows with Swansea's board about finances - what would he make of a Championship budget. He will steer well clear.[/p][/quote]Laudrup. That would be great. ringtone
  • Score: 1

4:36pm Sat 24 May 14

Major Bloodboil says...

Hmmnn, whose massive investment is at stake here and who has the most to lose things go pear shaped? Tony Bloom that's who and can anyone with half a brain seriously doubt that he will not sort things out to the benefit of himself and of us all. It's holiday time for the players at the moment and thus it is the managerial situation that is taking a priority. Once that has been sorted the players will follow after they have returned from holiday and once the World Cup has finished. Be patient people; things are going to get better, just keep the faith!
PS: I didn't like Oscar's style of play anyway - too defensive for my liking.
Hmmnn, whose massive investment is at stake here and who has the most to lose things go pear shaped? Tony Bloom that's who and can anyone with half a brain seriously doubt that he will not sort things out to the benefit of himself and of us all. It's holiday time for the players at the moment and thus it is the managerial situation that is taking a priority. Once that has been sorted the players will follow after they have returned from holiday and once the World Cup has finished. Be patient people; things are going to get better, just keep the faith! PS: I didn't like Oscar's style of play anyway - too defensive for my liking. Major Bloodboil
  • Score: 4

4:48pm Sat 24 May 14

Conelli98 says...

ZAMORA!
ZAMORA! Conelli98
  • Score: 4

5:07pm Sat 24 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Conelli98 wrote:
ZAMORA!
What a record in Play Off Finals!!! Bobby Zzzzzzzz
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: ZAMORA![/p][/quote]What a record in Play Off Finals!!! Bobby Zzzzzzzz WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 4

5:07pm Sat 24 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Conelli98 wrote:
ZAMORA!
What a record in Play Off Finals!!! Bobby Zzzzzzzz
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: ZAMORA![/p][/quote]What a record in Play Off Finals!!! Bobby Zzzzzzzz WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 3

5:17pm Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

So the two big spenders in the championship go up, same as last year, and it will be more the same next, to gain promotion you either have to be the outstanding or spend money.. Burnley were pure class , no injuries no prima donnas
So the two big spenders in the championship go up, same as last year, and it will be more the same next, to gain promotion you either have to be the outstanding or spend money.. Burnley were pure class , no injuries no prima donnas mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

5:48pm Sat 24 May 14

Mancgulled says...

Traore - according to that commentator during the final - is out of contract at QPR - he was awesome against us - him and Hoilett both -- lots of quality players emerging onto teh market - we need a manager who can spot them - a manager - NOT a dof ...........
Traore - according to that commentator during the final - is out of contract at QPR - he was awesome against us - him and Hoilett both -- lots of quality players emerging onto teh market - we need a manager who can spot them - a manager - NOT a dof ........... Mancgulled
  • Score: 2

6:01pm Sat 24 May 14

brightonup says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
MBTS, even if an offer had been made to Upson ont he time line you suggest, do you think he would have signed it there and then, or perhaps keep his options open?
Offer a guy a deal early, and depending on his thinking, doesn't mean he will say yes or no at the time of the offer. Upson knew he would get a one year deal with us no matter when it was offered, but a prem offer would not come about untill after the season ended, not at his age. Upson would have played the waiting game, just in case a prem offer came along, and luckily for him, it did. We didn't have a hope in hell of doing an early deal with Upson.
Had he taken it in November with a contract guaranteeing him another year, that is something he would have taken I believe , to be honest I don't think he ever thought another prem club would have come in for him,
But my point is allowing players to go out of contract is not a good idea when he is performing way above anyone else? The same scenario is coming with CMS , one year left on his deal, at 17 k a week and 30 years old, the next deal is his last at this level, don't be surprised to see him walk and take a juicy signing on fee else where this time next year.
Nothing but speculation - and doomsday scenarios. But at least he is relinquishing his season ticket!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: MBTS, even if an offer had been made to Upson ont he time line you suggest, do you think he would have signed it there and then, or perhaps keep his options open? Offer a guy a deal early, and depending on his thinking, doesn't mean he will say yes or no at the time of the offer. Upson knew he would get a one year deal with us no matter when it was offered, but a prem offer would not come about untill after the season ended, not at his age. Upson would have played the waiting game, just in case a prem offer came along, and luckily for him, it did. We didn't have a hope in hell of doing an early deal with Upson.[/p][/quote]Had he taken it in November with a contract guaranteeing him another year, that is something he would have taken I believe , to be honest I don't think he ever thought another prem club would have come in for him, But my point is allowing players to go out of contract is not a good idea when he is performing way above anyone else? The same scenario is coming with CMS , one year left on his deal, at 17 k a week and 30 years old, the next deal is his last at this level, don't be surprised to see him walk and take a juicy signing on fee else where this time next year.[/p][/quote]Nothing but speculation - and doomsday scenarios. But at least he is relinquishing his season ticket! brightonup
  • Score: -4

6:03pm Sat 24 May 14

daughter-of-manag says...

The Mail are running a story, linking OG with the Celtic job. It stated:

A coach (Oscar) who felt let down by alleged broken promises from the Brighton board last season, resigning after failure at the semi-final stages of the Premier League play-offs.'

I wonder what there broken promises were? Any coach/manager would be shying away from working with our club , as someone on the board speaks with fork tongue. Most of this feared this to be true - and now it seems that thee is an integrity issue with our own board.

Will the truth ever be revealed?

I feel sad for this club, a club that many of us love so dearly.
The Mail are running a story, linking OG with the Celtic job. It stated: A coach (Oscar) who felt let down by alleged broken promises from the Brighton board last season, resigning after failure at the semi-final stages of the Premier League play-offs.' I wonder what there broken promises were? Any coach/manager would be shying away from working with our club , as someone on the board speaks with fork tongue. Most of this feared this to be true - and now it seems that thee is an integrity issue with our own board. Will the truth ever be revealed? I feel sad for this club, a club that many of us love so dearly. daughter-of-manag
  • Score: 2

6:15pm Sat 24 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

mark by the sea wrote:
So the two big spenders in the championship go up, same as last year, and it will be more the same next, to gain promotion you either have to be the outstanding or spend money.. Burnley were pure class , no injuries no prima donnas
QPR are 177 million in debt so they really had to go up or face massive problems, they really gambled on promotion putting the club on a knife edge. It's incredible the sums they continue to spend despite FFP, with less than 18000 at home games as well. Makes a mockery of it all. I wouldn't like us to go that far but I do wish we could step things up just a little and go for it, I know we worry about FFP but if we gambled just a little it could well pay off.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: So the two big spenders in the championship go up, same as last year, and it will be more the same next, to gain promotion you either have to be the outstanding or spend money.. Burnley were pure class , no injuries no prima donnas[/p][/quote]QPR are 177 million in debt so they really had to go up or face massive problems, they really gambled on promotion putting the club on a knife edge. It's incredible the sums they continue to spend despite FFP, with less than 18000 at home games as well. Makes a mockery of it all. I wouldn't like us to go that far but I do wish we could step things up just a little and go for it, I know we worry about FFP but if we gambled just a little it could well pay off. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 1

6:28pm Sat 24 May 14

pte says...

So who are the favorites next season- Derby, Wigan, Blackburn and Fulham?
So who are the favorites next season- Derby, Wigan, Blackburn and Fulham? pte
  • Score: 0

6:32pm Sat 24 May 14

pjwilk says...

john newman wrote:
GET SPERONI QUICK before someone else does
Totally agree get Speronia good keeper,that is building from the back.
[quote][p][bold]john newman[/bold] wrote: GET SPERONI QUICK before someone else does[/p][/quote]Totally agree get Speronia good keeper,that is building from the back. pjwilk
  • Score: 1

6:35pm Sat 24 May 14

Mancgulled says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
So the two big spenders in the championship go up, same as last year, and it will be more the same next, to gain promotion you either have to be the outstanding or spend money.. Burnley were pure class , no injuries no prima donnas
QPR are 177 million in debt so they really had to go up or face massive problems, they really gambled on promotion putting the club on a knife edge. It's incredible the sums they continue to spend despite FFP, with less than 18000 at home games as well. Makes a mockery of it all. I wouldn't like us to go that far but I do wish we could step things up just a little and go for it, I know we worry about FFP but if we gambled just a little it could well pay off.
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/27
297882 -- you might find this article interesting - especially the bit that goes "Their wage bill was more than Atletico Madrid" -- now that's incredible! They could have had a team vying for a champs league spot for what they have wasted! or indeed - if they had that starting 11 they would be in the final tonight ..... disgusting waste ...
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: So the two big spenders in the championship go up, same as last year, and it will be more the same next, to gain promotion you either have to be the outstanding or spend money.. Burnley were pure class , no injuries no prima donnas[/p][/quote]QPR are 177 million in debt so they really had to go up or face massive problems, they really gambled on promotion putting the club on a knife edge. It's incredible the sums they continue to spend despite FFP, with less than 18000 at home games as well. Makes a mockery of it all. I wouldn't like us to go that far but I do wish we could step things up just a little and go for it, I know we worry about FFP but if we gambled just a little it could well pay off.[/p][/quote]http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/27 297882 -- you might find this article interesting - especially the bit that goes "Their wage bill was more than Atletico Madrid" -- now that's incredible! They could have had a team vying for a champs league spot for what they have wasted! or indeed - if they had that starting 11 they would be in the final tonight ..... disgusting waste ... Mancgulled
  • Score: 3

6:35pm Sat 24 May 14

hannover seagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
So the two big spenders in the championship go up, same as last year, and it will be more the same next, to gain promotion you either have to be the outstanding or spend money.. Burnley were pure class , no injuries no prima donnas
IMHO Burnley were the ticket this season,they had a week in week out work ethic and scored goals for fun.
Hardworking and honest football sadly I can´t say the same about some of their fans who gave me and my young son some real disgusting abuse
For that reason alone I wish them a pelting in the Prem
UTA..
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: So the two big spenders in the championship go up, same as last year, and it will be more the same next, to gain promotion you either have to be the outstanding or spend money.. Burnley were pure class , no injuries no prima donnas[/p][/quote]IMHO Burnley were the ticket this season,they had a week in week out work ethic and scored goals for fun. Hardworking and honest football sadly I can´t say the same about some of their fans who gave me and my young son some real disgusting abuse For that reason alone I wish them a pelting in the Prem UTA.. hannover seagull
  • Score: 2

6:39pm Sat 24 May 14

pjwilk says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
So the two big spenders in the championship go up, same as last year, and it will be more the same next, to gain promotion you either have to be the outstanding or spend money.. Burnley were pure class , no injuries no prima donnas
QPR are 177 million in debt so they really had to go up or face massive problems, they really gambled on promotion putting the club on a knife edge. It's incredible the sums they continue to spend despite FFP, with less than 18000 at home games as well. Makes a mockery of it all. I wouldn't like us to go that far but I do wish we could step things up just a little and go for it, I know we worry about FFP but if we gambled just a little it could well pay off.
They stuck their fingers up to FFP and its paid off for them,we should be a little less frightened of these rules which never get implemented.They should throw out Leicester and QPR and upgrade Derby and Wigan or if Wigan have misbehaved,Brighton.
This will make sure rules are implemented otherwise they are cheating.
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: So the two big spenders in the championship go up, same as last year, and it will be more the same next, to gain promotion you either have to be the outstanding or spend money.. Burnley were pure class , no injuries no prima donnas[/p][/quote]QPR are 177 million in debt so they really had to go up or face massive problems, they really gambled on promotion putting the club on a knife edge. It's incredible the sums they continue to spend despite FFP, with less than 18000 at home games as well. Makes a mockery of it all. I wouldn't like us to go that far but I do wish we could step things up just a little and go for it, I know we worry about FFP but if we gambled just a little it could well pay off.[/p][/quote]They stuck their fingers up to FFP and its paid off for them,we should be a little less frightened of these rules which never get implemented.They should throw out Leicester and QPR and upgrade Derby and Wigan or if Wigan have misbehaved,Brighton. This will make sure rules are implemented otherwise they are cheating. pjwilk
  • Score: 1

6:51pm Sat 24 May 14

hannover seagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
So the two big spenders in the championship go up, same as last year, and it will be more the same next, to gain promotion you either have to be the outstanding or spend money.. Burnley were pure class , no injuries no prima donnas
IMHO Burnley were the ticket this season,they had a week in week out work ethic and scored goals for fun.
Hardworking and honest football sadly, I can´t say the same about some of their fans who gave me and my young son some real disgusting abuse
For that reason alone I wish them a pelting in the Prem
UTA..
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: So the two big spenders in the championship go up, same as last year, and it will be more the same next, to gain promotion you either have to be the outstanding or spend money.. Burnley were pure class , no injuries no prima donnas[/p][/quote]IMHO Burnley were the ticket this season,they had a week in week out work ethic and scored goals for fun. Hardworking and honest football sadly, I can´t say the same about some of their fans who gave me and my young son some real disgusting abuse For that reason alone I wish them a pelting in the Prem UTA.. hannover seagull
  • Score: 4

7:00pm Sat 24 May 14

gordongull says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
So the two big spenders in the championship go up, same as last year, and it will be more the same next, to gain promotion you either have to be the outstanding or spend money.. Burnley were pure class , no injuries no prima donnas
QPR are 177 million in debt so they really had to go up or face massive problems, they really gambled on promotion putting the club on a knife edge. It's incredible the sums they continue to spend despite FFP, with less than 18000 at home games as well. Makes a mockery of it all. I wouldn't like us to go that far but I do wish we could step things up just a little and go for it, I know we worry about FFP but if we gambled just a little it could well pay off.
The problem is that gambling a little probably won't be enough, and taking a serious punt at promotion is no longer an option for Tony Bloom because of the new financial landscape.
Still, one fewer parachute team to worry about after today..
Only ten clubs will be receiving the payments next season.
Burnley are often quoted as being the model to aspire to, but it is often forgotten that they have received £48m over the last four years.
I believe Mr Bloom will take steps to ensure that we retain our Championship status, but it is unfair to expect him to gamble heavily on what is nothing like a level playing field.

QPR will ignore the expected fines. There is some speculation that they couldn't be enforced, as the Premier League is a separate competition. The Prem wouldn't get involved, as it isn't their problem.
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: So the two big spenders in the championship go up, same as last year, and it will be more the same next, to gain promotion you either have to be the outstanding or spend money.. Burnley were pure class , no injuries no prima donnas[/p][/quote]QPR are 177 million in debt so they really had to go up or face massive problems, they really gambled on promotion putting the club on a knife edge. It's incredible the sums they continue to spend despite FFP, with less than 18000 at home games as well. Makes a mockery of it all. I wouldn't like us to go that far but I do wish we could step things up just a little and go for it, I know we worry about FFP but if we gambled just a little it could well pay off.[/p][/quote]The problem is that gambling a little probably won't be enough, and taking a serious punt at promotion is no longer an option for Tony Bloom because of the new financial landscape. Still, one fewer parachute team to worry about after today.. Only ten clubs will be receiving the payments next season. Burnley are often quoted as being the model to aspire to, but it is often forgotten that they have received £48m over the last four years. I believe Mr Bloom will take steps to ensure that we retain our Championship status, but it is unfair to expect him to gamble heavily on what is nothing like a level playing field. QPR will ignore the expected fines. There is some speculation that they couldn't be enforced, as the Premier League is a separate competition. The Prem wouldn't get involved, as it isn't their problem. gordongull
  • Score: 3

7:03pm Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

pte wrote:
So who are the favorites next season- Derby, Wigan, Blackburn and Fulham?
Cardiff , I fancy Blackburn and Boro to step up,
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: So who are the favorites next season- Derby, Wigan, Blackburn and Fulham?[/p][/quote]Cardiff , I fancy Blackburn and Boro to step up, mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

7:13pm Sat 24 May 14

gordongull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
So who are the favorites next season- Derby, Wigan, Blackburn and Fulham?
Cardiff , I fancy Blackburn and Boro to step up,
Don't be surprised to see Wolves go right through the Division.
103 points in League one, and still two seasons parachute money to go.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: So who are the favorites next season- Derby, Wigan, Blackburn and Fulham?[/p][/quote]Cardiff , I fancy Blackburn and Boro to step up,[/p][/quote]Don't be surprised to see Wolves go right through the Division. 103 points in League one, and still two seasons parachute money to go. gordongull
  • Score: 2

7:14pm Sat 24 May 14

tug509 says...

hannover seagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
So the two big spenders in the championship go up, same as last year, and it will be more the same next, to gain promotion you either have to be the outstanding or spend money.. Burnley were pure class , no injuries no prima donnas
IMHO Burnley were the ticket this season,they had a week in week out work ethic and scored goals for fun.
Hardworking and honest football sadly, I can´t say the same about some of their fans who gave me and my young son some real disgusting abuse
For that reason alone I wish them a pelting in the Prem
UTA..
There`s no accounting for taste with some of these teams fans ,to show abusive or aggressive attitude in front of children is lower than a snake`s belly ,that`s one of the thousand reasons i am proud i support The Albion ,we at least have a reputation worthy of respect . UTA
[quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: So the two big spenders in the championship go up, same as last year, and it will be more the same next, to gain promotion you either have to be the outstanding or spend money.. Burnley were pure class , no injuries no prima donnas[/p][/quote]IMHO Burnley were the ticket this season,they had a week in week out work ethic and scored goals for fun. Hardworking and honest football sadly, I can´t say the same about some of their fans who gave me and my young son some real disgusting abuse For that reason alone I wish them a pelting in the Prem UTA..[/p][/quote]There`s no accounting for taste with some of these teams fans ,to show abusive or aggressive attitude in front of children is lower than a snake`s belly ,that`s one of the thousand reasons i am proud i support The Albion ,we at least have a reputation worthy of respect . UTA tug509
  • Score: 2

7:39pm Sat 24 May 14

albionfan33 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I have a question for anyone that cares to reply, and sorry, it is about the FFP rules.

The club reported that we lost 14 million two season back, Barber assured us that we will reduce that figure by some 3 millions from money eaned from last season, so our operating losses for last season, could be around 11 million.
Given the sales we made last year, and if that money was directed toward our losses, the 11 million figure could drop as low at 7 million. Bloom, if he chose to, can inject a further 3 million under the FFP rules, so that figure could now come down to just 4 million. Selling the naming right to our new facility and our new shirt deal, could give us the funds to wipe the debt our completely, so my question is, if we can wipe the debt out should we, even if that has some baring on our transfer dealings this year? This move might mean that we have a year of consolidation followed by a year of spending, within what we are allowed to spend once we reach break even as required to do so by the FFP. Does it help us to get the FFP off our backs?
the trouble with that is we need a new squad now not next year for me we need anything between 8-12 new players that dont come cheap in anyones book
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have a question for anyone that cares to reply, and sorry, it is about the FFP rules. The club reported that we lost 14 million two season back, Barber assured us that we will reduce that figure by some 3 millions from money eaned from last season, so our operating losses for last season, could be around 11 million. Given the sales we made last year, and if that money was directed toward our losses, the 11 million figure could drop as low at 7 million. Bloom, if he chose to, can inject a further 3 million under the FFP rules, so that figure could now come down to just 4 million. Selling the naming right to our new facility and our new shirt deal, could give us the funds to wipe the debt our completely, so my question is, if we can wipe the debt out should we, even if that has some baring on our transfer dealings this year? This move might mean that we have a year of consolidation followed by a year of spending, within what we are allowed to spend once we reach break even as required to do so by the FFP. Does it help us to get the FFP off our backs?[/p][/quote]the trouble with that is we need a new squad now not next year for me we need anything between 8-12 new players that dont come cheap in anyones book albionfan33
  • Score: 1

7:40pm Sat 24 May 14

JeffLomer says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
ZAMORA!
What a record in Play Off Finals!!! Bobby Zzzzzzzz
Dont you love Bobby when you have him to score first goal and qpr to win 1-0 cheers BOBBY i am so glad i put £10 on you!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: ZAMORA![/p][/quote]What a record in Play Off Finals!!! Bobby Zzzzzzzz[/p][/quote]Dont you love Bobby when you have him to score first goal and qpr to win 1-0 cheers BOBBY i am so glad i put £10 on you!!!!!!!!!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 3

7:57pm Sat 24 May 14

hannover seagull says...

tug509 wrote:
hannover seagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
So the two big spenders in the championship go up, same as last year, and it will be more the same next, to gain promotion you either have to be the outstanding or spend money.. Burnley were pure class , no injuries no prima donnas
IMHO Burnley were the ticket this season,they had a week in week out work ethic and scored goals for fun.
Hardworking and honest football sadly, I can´t say the same about some of their fans who gave me and my young son some real disgusting abuse
For that reason alone I wish them a pelting in the Prem
UTA..
There`s no accounting for taste with some of these teams fans ,to show abusive or aggressive attitude in front of children is lower than a snake`s belly ,that`s one of the thousand reasons i am proud i support The Albion ,we at least have a reputation worthy of respect . UTA
Well said
The whole set up now at the Amex is different to the old days at the Goldstone where we had hard core support in certain areas.
In order to fill the stadium the club has gone down a more family orientated line where people come and have a great day out in a bit more comfort
Having said that I wish the North Stand had a bit more capacity as sometimes you feel the roar is missing behind the goal,it sounds loud inside but doesn´t carry to far.
As an overseas fan who makes about 7 home and away all season maybe I am not the best judge but as a non season ticket holder I have sat in all four stands over two seasons and base my opinion on that.
Most stadiums take around 10 years to mature and in that respect we are getting there.
Back to the point of the post we were in the South stand(home) on that occasion and the stewarding was non existent
That whole away end has to be looked at as well ,undersold most of the time and very easy to get into other areas i.e SW corner
Anyway apart from needing a new Manager and half a team I am as ever optimistic for the next season
UTA.................
....................
....
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: So the two big spenders in the championship go up, same as last year, and it will be more the same next, to gain promotion you either have to be the outstanding or spend money.. Burnley were pure class , no injuries no prima donnas[/p][/quote]IMHO Burnley were the ticket this season,they had a week in week out work ethic and scored goals for fun. Hardworking and honest football sadly, I can´t say the same about some of their fans who gave me and my young son some real disgusting abuse For that reason alone I wish them a pelting in the Prem UTA..[/p][/quote]There`s no accounting for taste with some of these teams fans ,to show abusive or aggressive attitude in front of children is lower than a snake`s belly ,that`s one of the thousand reasons i am proud i support The Albion ,we at least have a reputation worthy of respect . UTA[/p][/quote]Well said The whole set up now at the Amex is different to the old days at the Goldstone where we had hard core support in certain areas. In order to fill the stadium the club has gone down a more family orientated line where people come and have a great day out in a bit more comfort Having said that I wish the North Stand had a bit more capacity as sometimes you feel the roar is missing behind the goal,it sounds loud inside but doesn´t carry to far. As an overseas fan who makes about 7 home and away all season maybe I am not the best judge but as a non season ticket holder I have sat in all four stands over two seasons and base my opinion on that. Most stadiums take around 10 years to mature and in that respect we are getting there. Back to the point of the post we were in the South stand(home) on that occasion and the stewarding was non existent That whole away end has to be looked at as well ,undersold most of the time and very easy to get into other areas i.e SW corner Anyway apart from needing a new Manager and half a team I am as ever optimistic for the next season UTA................. .................... .... hannover seagull
  • Score: 3

8:04pm Sat 24 May 14

mark by the sea says...

gordongull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
So who are the favorites next season- Derby, Wigan, Blackburn and Fulham?
Cardiff , I fancy Blackburn and Boro to step up,
Don't be surprised to see Wolves go right through the Division.
103 points in League one, and still two seasons parachute money to go.
Yes good call , they just bid 1m for a defender, and have elliot bennet on the radar as well ( bennet is a ex wolves player)
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: So who are the favorites next season- Derby, Wigan, Blackburn and Fulham?[/p][/quote]Cardiff , I fancy Blackburn and Boro to step up,[/p][/quote]Don't be surprised to see Wolves go right through the Division. 103 points in League one, and still two seasons parachute money to go.[/p][/quote]Yes good call , they just bid 1m for a defender, and have elliot bennet on the radar as well ( bennet is a ex wolves player) mark by the sea
  • Score: 4

11:04pm Sat 24 May 14

mark5 says...

iRobot208 wrote:
How many of you really think Upson was a fan of the club still lol haha.The only thing he cares about like all of them is who pays the most money.The more money you have the better girls you get.A PURE FACT OF LIFE SAD MEN.You really think the clubs vile players are giving one thought to the club and its fans right now lol.
I think you are absolutely right on this point. The reality, is that footballers are exceptionally highly paid employees of the football club and they will, by an large, go where they are best paid, combined with any other benefits their "package" offers. Despite what Jessie J sings about, it actually IS All "about the money"!! This is no different in the world that most of us inhabit, just on a different monetary scale!
On a different note, I am not particularly worried about the players we have let go, providing that they are replaced with reasonable quality, when the new manager comes in and starts shaping his squad. I am pretty confident that the club will make some decent signings as it simply has to, unless Bloom is happy for a season of struggle, which I cannot believe he is! Defensively we HAVE to make some signings, because what we have left is far from competitive. Lewis Dunk is some way short of Championship standards at the moment and can only be back up to someone more experienced, Gordon Greer is slowing down and prone to some mistakes, and Bruno, although skill full blows hot and cold. Calde is great but lacks pace. The Championship is getting stronger each year so we need to be prepared.
Let us hope that a new manager is in soon and that he can get a decent pre- season underway, with some signings of a good standard, to ensure we challenge again. I also fervently hope that some of the "issues" that have made 2 good managers resign, are resolved.! UTA.
[quote][p][bold]iRobot208[/bold] wrote: How many of you really think Upson was a fan of the club still lol haha.The only thing he cares about like all of them is who pays the most money.The more money you have the better girls you get.A PURE FACT OF LIFE SAD MEN.You really think the clubs vile players are giving one thought to the club and its fans right now lol.[/p][/quote]I think you are absolutely right on this point. The reality, is that footballers are exceptionally highly paid employees of the football club and they will, by an large, go where they are best paid, combined with any other benefits their "package" offers. Despite what Jessie J sings about, it actually IS All "about the money"!! This is no different in the world that most of us inhabit, just on a different monetary scale! On a different note, I am not particularly worried about the players we have let go, providing that they are replaced with reasonable quality, when the new manager comes in and starts shaping his squad. I am pretty confident that the club will make some decent signings as it simply has to, unless Bloom is happy for a season of struggle, which I cannot believe he is! Defensively we HAVE to make some signings, because what we have left is far from competitive. Lewis Dunk is some way short of Championship standards at the moment and can only be back up to someone more experienced, Gordon Greer is slowing down and prone to some mistakes, and Bruno, although skill full blows hot and cold. Calde is great but lacks pace. The Championship is getting stronger each year so we need to be prepared. Let us hope that a new manager is in soon and that he can get a decent pre- season underway, with some signings of a good standard, to ensure we challenge again. I also fervently hope that some of the "issues" that have made 2 good managers resign, are resolved.! UTA. mark5
  • Score: 3

8:16am Sun 25 May 14

namgo49 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
So who are the favorites next season- Derby, Wigan, Blackburn and Fulham?
Cardiff , I fancy Blackburn and Boro to step up,
Derby will do well. Blackburn will remain in disarray because of their ownership. Fulham, Boro, & Cardiff will only start to do well when they get shot of their foreign managers. Norwich will do better when they realise they have the wrong manager at the helm.

Us, we will do ok when we appoint a decent British manager who gets rid of the DofF who has failed in his role.

Why no Ward yet, it can't be that difficult, surely!!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: So who are the favorites next season- Derby, Wigan, Blackburn and Fulham?[/p][/quote]Cardiff , I fancy Blackburn and Boro to step up,[/p][/quote]Derby will do well. Blackburn will remain in disarray because of their ownership. Fulham, Boro, & Cardiff will only start to do well when they get shot of their foreign managers. Norwich will do better when they realise they have the wrong manager at the helm. Us, we will do ok when we appoint a decent British manager who gets rid of the DofF who has failed in his role. Why no Ward yet, it can't be that difficult, surely!! namgo49
  • Score: -1

8:35am Sun 25 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

namgo49 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
So who are the favorites next season- Derby, Wigan, Blackburn and Fulham?
Cardiff , I fancy Blackburn and Boro to step up,
Derby will do well. Blackburn will remain in disarray because of their ownership. Fulham, Boro, & Cardiff will only start to do well when they get shot of their foreign managers. Norwich will do better when they realise they have the wrong manager at the helm.

Us, we will do ok when we appoint a decent British manager who gets rid of the DofF who has failed in his role.

Why no Ward yet, it can't be that difficult, surely!!
Future of DOF is not down to a new manager and the owner is committed to the set up, so looks like he's staying.
As for Ward, Kenny Jakcett has said all loan players returning to Wolves will be assessed when they go back for pre-season. Add to that the fact we don't have a manager who can confirm he wants him and you may have reasons for that one.
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: So who are the favorites next season- Derby, Wigan, Blackburn and Fulham?[/p][/quote]Cardiff , I fancy Blackburn and Boro to step up,[/p][/quote]Derby will do well. Blackburn will remain in disarray because of their ownership. Fulham, Boro, & Cardiff will only start to do well when they get shot of their foreign managers. Norwich will do better when they realise they have the wrong manager at the helm. Us, we will do ok when we appoint a decent British manager who gets rid of the DofF who has failed in his role. Why no Ward yet, it can't be that difficult, surely!![/p][/quote]Future of DOF is not down to a new manager and the owner is committed to the set up, so looks like he's staying. As for Ward, Kenny Jakcett has said all loan players returning to Wolves will be assessed when they go back for pre-season. Add to that the fact we don't have a manager who can confirm he wants him and you may have reasons for that one. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 4

11:03am Sun 25 May 14

OldGull says...

JeffLomer wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
ZAMORA!
What a record in Play Off Finals!!! Bobby Zzzzzzzz
Dont you love Bobby when you have him to score first goal and qpr to win 1-0 cheers BOBBY i am so glad i put £10 on you!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well done Jeff
I was seconds away from a 12-1 double
QPR & Atletico
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: ZAMORA![/p][/quote]What a record in Play Off Finals!!! Bobby Zzzzzzzz[/p][/quote]Dont you love Bobby when you have him to score first goal and qpr to win 1-0 cheers BOBBY i am so glad i put £10 on you!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Well done Jeff I was seconds away from a 12-1 double QPR & Atletico OldGull
  • Score: 1

11:09am Sun 25 May 14

SonnyJim55 says...

This all seems like groundhog day after last years shenanigans, I really thought a supposedly astute man like Bloom might have learnt some lessons from that but it seems not. The club seems to be going backwards not forwards...and please do not bring up the old line about where we were a few years ago, that is wearing a bit thin. Looking back to that time is not going to get us a new manager and players that will take us forward from where we are right now
This all seems like groundhog day after last years shenanigans, I really thought a supposedly astute man like Bloom might have learnt some lessons from that but it seems not. The club seems to be going backwards not forwards...and please do not bring up the old line about where we were a few years ago, that is wearing a bit thin. Looking back to that time is not going to get us a new manager and players that will take us forward from where we are right now SonnyJim55
  • Score: 3

11:19am Sun 25 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

SonnyJim55 wrote:
This all seems like groundhog day after last years shenanigans, I really thought a supposedly astute man like Bloom might have learnt some lessons from that but it seems not. The club seems to be going backwards not forwards...and please do not bring up the old line about where we were a few years ago, that is wearing a bit thin. Looking back to that time is not going to get us a new manager and players that will take us forward from where we are right now
I hear your pain.
My biggest gripe is that, by all accounts, there were rumblings before the end of the season that OG would leave, so I'm uncomfortable as to why there's been no discernible progress in the manager position in the last fortnight.
Most clubs would have contingency plans and would accelerate them at the moment it became necessary. So they should surely have had an idea of who was out there in order to be ahead of the game.
My own deduction, based on nothing more than a hunch, is that perhaps they're having trouble persuading the right people about the way things are done at our place? Ultimately though, we should reserve judgement on the outcome. But it is incredibly frustrating right now.
[quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: This all seems like groundhog day after last years shenanigans, I really thought a supposedly astute man like Bloom might have learnt some lessons from that but it seems not. The club seems to be going backwards not forwards...and please do not bring up the old line about where we were a few years ago, that is wearing a bit thin. Looking back to that time is not going to get us a new manager and players that will take us forward from where we are right now[/p][/quote]I hear your pain. My biggest gripe is that, by all accounts, there were rumblings before the end of the season that OG would leave, so I'm uncomfortable as to why there's been no discernible progress in the manager position in the last fortnight. Most clubs would have contingency plans and would accelerate them at the moment it became necessary. So they should surely have had an idea of who was out there in order to be ahead of the game. My own deduction, based on nothing more than a hunch, is that perhaps they're having trouble persuading the right people about the way things are done at our place? Ultimately though, we should reserve judgement on the outcome. But it is incredibly frustrating right now. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

11:29am Sun 25 May 14

rolivan says...

iRobot208 wrote:
mark5 wrote:
iRobot208 wrote:
How many of you really think Upson was a fan of the club still lol haha.The only thing he cares about like all of them is who pays the most money.The more money you have the better girls you get.A PURE FACT OF LIFE SAD MEN.You really think the clubs vile players are giving one thought to the club and its fans right now lol.
I think you are absolutely right on this point. The reality, is that footballers are exceptionally highly paid employees of the football club and they will, by an large, go where they are best paid, combined with any other benefits their "package" offers. Despite what Jessie J sings about, it actually IS All "about the money"!! This is no different in the world that most of us inhabit, just on a different monetary scale!
On a different note, I am not particularly worried about the players we have let go, providing that they are replaced with reasonable quality, when the new manager comes in and starts shaping his squad. I am pretty confident that the club will make some decent signings as it simply has to, unless Bloom is happy for a season of struggle, which I cannot believe he is! Defensively we HAVE to make some signings, because what we have left is far from competitive. Lewis Dunk is some way short of Championship standards at the moment and can only be back up to someone more experienced, Gordon Greer is slowing down and prone to some mistakes, and Bruno, although skill full blows hot and cold. Calde is great but lacks pace. The Championship is getting stronger each year so we need to be prepared.
Let us hope that a new manager is in soon and that he can get a decent pre- season underway, with some signings of a good standard, to ensure we challenge again. I also fervently hope that some of the "issues" that have made 2 good managers resign, are resolved.! UTA.
Outstanding post please keep up the good work next week my friend.Please don't let the Dunk family take over the site next week with the Dunk PR rubbish yet again.His the reason we just lost yet another very good manager.
Do You sit in front of a mirror when you write, it must be hard work having a multi personality disorder.
[quote][p][bold]iRobot208[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iRobot208[/bold] wrote: How many of you really think Upson was a fan of the club still lol haha.The only thing he cares about like all of them is who pays the most money.The more money you have the better girls you get.A PURE FACT OF LIFE SAD MEN.You really think the clubs vile players are giving one thought to the club and its fans right now lol.[/p][/quote]I think you are absolutely right on this point. The reality, is that footballers are exceptionally highly paid employees of the football club and they will, by an large, go where they are best paid, combined with any other benefits their "package" offers. Despite what Jessie J sings about, it actually IS All "about the money"!! This is no different in the world that most of us inhabit, just on a different monetary scale! On a different note, I am not particularly worried about the players we have let go, providing that they are replaced with reasonable quality, when the new manager comes in and starts shaping his squad. I am pretty confident that the club will make some decent signings as it simply has to, unless Bloom is happy for a season of struggle, which I cannot believe he is! Defensively we HAVE to make some signings, because what we have left is far from competitive. Lewis Dunk is some way short of Championship standards at the moment and can only be back up to someone more experienced, Gordon Greer is slowing down and prone to some mistakes, and Bruno, although skill full blows hot and cold. Calde is great but lacks pace. The Championship is getting stronger each year so we need to be prepared. Let us hope that a new manager is in soon and that he can get a decent pre- season underway, with some signings of a good standard, to ensure we challenge again. I also fervently hope that some of the "issues" that have made 2 good managers resign, are resolved.! UTA.[/p][/quote]Outstanding post please keep up the good work next week my friend.Please don't let the Dunk family take over the site next week with the Dunk PR rubbish yet again.His the reason we just lost yet another very good manager.[/p][/quote]Do You sit in front of a mirror when you write, it must be hard work having a multi personality disorder. rolivan
  • Score: 0

11:29am Sun 25 May 14

rolivan says...

iRobot208 wrote:
mark5 wrote:
iRobot208 wrote:
How many of you really think Upson was a fan of the club still lol haha.The only thing he cares about like all of them is who pays the most money.The more money you have the better girls you get.A PURE FACT OF LIFE SAD MEN.You really think the clubs vile players are giving one thought to the club and its fans right now lol.
I think you are absolutely right on this point. The reality, is that footballers are exceptionally highly paid employees of the football club and they will, by an large, go where they are best paid, combined with any other benefits their "package" offers. Despite what Jessie J sings about, it actually IS All "about the money"!! This is no different in the world that most of us inhabit, just on a different monetary scale!
On a different note, I am not particularly worried about the players we have let go, providing that they are replaced with reasonable quality, when the new manager comes in and starts shaping his squad. I am pretty confident that the club will make some decent signings as it simply has to, unless Bloom is happy for a season of struggle, which I cannot believe he is! Defensively we HAVE to make some signings, because what we have left is far from competitive. Lewis Dunk is some way short of Championship standards at the moment and can only be back up to someone more experienced, Gordon Greer is slowing down and prone to some mistakes, and Bruno, although skill full blows hot and cold. Calde is great but lacks pace. The Championship is getting stronger each year so we need to be prepared.
Let us hope that a new manager is in soon and that he can get a decent pre- season underway, with some signings of a good standard, to ensure we challenge again. I also fervently hope that some of the "issues" that have made 2 good managers resign, are resolved.! UTA.
Outstanding post please keep up the good work next week my friend.Please don't let the Dunk family take over the site next week with the Dunk PR rubbish yet again.His the reason we just lost yet another very good manager.
Do You sit in front of a mirror when you write, it must be hard work having a multi personality disorder.
[quote][p][bold]iRobot208[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iRobot208[/bold] wrote: How many of you really think Upson was a fan of the club still lol haha.The only thing he cares about like all of them is who pays the most money.The more money you have the better girls you get.A PURE FACT OF LIFE SAD MEN.You really think the clubs vile players are giving one thought to the club and its fans right now lol.[/p][/quote]I think you are absolutely right on this point. The reality, is that footballers are exceptionally highly paid employees of the football club and they will, by an large, go where they are best paid, combined with any other benefits their "package" offers. Despite what Jessie J sings about, it actually IS All "about the money"!! This is no different in the world that most of us inhabit, just on a different monetary scale! On a different note, I am not particularly worried about the players we have let go, providing that they are replaced with reasonable quality, when the new manager comes in and starts shaping his squad. I am pretty confident that the club will make some decent signings as it simply has to, unless Bloom is happy for a season of struggle, which I cannot believe he is! Defensively we HAVE to make some signings, because what we have left is far from competitive. Lewis Dunk is some way short of Championship standards at the moment and can only be back up to someone more experienced, Gordon Greer is slowing down and prone to some mistakes, and Bruno, although skill full blows hot and cold. Calde is great but lacks pace. The Championship is getting stronger each year so we need to be prepared. Let us hope that a new manager is in soon and that he can get a decent pre- season underway, with some signings of a good standard, to ensure we challenge again. I also fervently hope that some of the "issues" that have made 2 good managers resign, are resolved.! UTA.[/p][/quote]Outstanding post please keep up the good work next week my friend.Please don't let the Dunk family take over the site next week with the Dunk PR rubbish yet again.His the reason we just lost yet another very good manager.[/p][/quote]Do You sit in front of a mirror when you write, it must be hard work having a multi personality disorder. rolivan
  • Score: 1

12:10pm Sun 25 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
SonnyJim55 wrote:
This all seems like groundhog day after last years shenanigans, I really thought a supposedly astute man like Bloom might have learnt some lessons from that but it seems not. The club seems to be going backwards not forwards...and please do not bring up the old line about where we were a few years ago, that is wearing a bit thin. Looking back to that time is not going to get us a new manager and players that will take us forward from where we are right now
I hear your pain.
My biggest gripe is that, by all accounts, there were rumblings before the end of the season that OG would leave, so I'm uncomfortable as to why there's been no discernible progress in the manager position in the last fortnight.
Most clubs would have contingency plans and would accelerate them at the moment it became necessary. So they should surely have had an idea of who was out there in order to be ahead of the game.
My own deduction, based on nothing more than a hunch, is that perhaps they're having trouble persuading the right people about the way things are done at our place? Ultimately though, we should reserve judgement on the outcome. But it is incredibly frustrating right now.
Good morning guys.
Given that Tony Bloom is no fool, do you think it's possible that our Chairman is actually further down the road to appointing someone than we know. I ask this because we know that Oscar had spoken with Bloom some weeks before finally going, his departure wasn't a shock to the boardroom.
Events at other clubs have opened up possibilities for this guy to go there and another to go somewhere else, and any of them to come to us, but just maybe our target manager might have been sounded out before we, (the fans) even knew Oscar was going.
Clement might have been Bloom's choice for a while now, even tho some other actors have come into focus due to events. Now that Real's year is over, we just might get our man installed very quickly.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: This all seems like groundhog day after last years shenanigans, I really thought a supposedly astute man like Bloom might have learnt some lessons from that but it seems not. The club seems to be going backwards not forwards...and please do not bring up the old line about where we were a few years ago, that is wearing a bit thin. Looking back to that time is not going to get us a new manager and players that will take us forward from where we are right now[/p][/quote]I hear your pain. My biggest gripe is that, by all accounts, there were rumblings before the end of the season that OG would leave, so I'm uncomfortable as to why there's been no discernible progress in the manager position in the last fortnight. Most clubs would have contingency plans and would accelerate them at the moment it became necessary. So they should surely have had an idea of who was out there in order to be ahead of the game. My own deduction, based on nothing more than a hunch, is that perhaps they're having trouble persuading the right people about the way things are done at our place? Ultimately though, we should reserve judgement on the outcome. But it is incredibly frustrating right now.[/p][/quote]Good morning guys. Given that Tony Bloom is no fool, do you think it's possible that our Chairman is actually further down the road to appointing someone than we know. I ask this because we know that Oscar had spoken with Bloom some weeks before finally going, his departure wasn't a shock to the boardroom. Events at other clubs have opened up possibilities for this guy to go there and another to go somewhere else, and any of them to come to us, but just maybe our target manager might have been sounded out before we, (the fans) even knew Oscar was going. Clement might have been Bloom's choice for a while now, even tho some other actors have come into focus due to events. Now that Real's year is over, we just might get our man installed very quickly. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

2:58pm Sun 25 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

iRobot208 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
SonnyJim55 wrote:
This all seems like groundhog day after last years shenanigans, I really thought a supposedly astute man like Bloom might have learnt some lessons from that but it seems not. The club seems to be going backwards not forwards...and please do not bring up the old line about where we were a few years ago, that is wearing a bit thin. Looking back to that time is not going to get us a new manager and players that will take us forward from where we are right now
I hear your pain.
My biggest gripe is that, by all accounts, there were rumblings before the end of the season that OG would leave, so I'm uncomfortable as to why there's been no discernible progress in the manager position in the last fortnight.
Most clubs would have contingency plans and would accelerate them at the moment it became necessary. So they should surely have had an idea of who was out there in order to be ahead of the game.
My own deduction, based on nothing more than a hunch, is that perhaps they're having trouble persuading the right people about the way things are done at our place? Ultimately though, we should reserve judgement on the outcome. But it is incredibly frustrating right now.
Outstanding post from a real fan.Keep up the good work next week.
and if Clement is the preferred target, and has been for a while, would we not have had to wait until the cup final was over? Bloom could have been talking to Clement for several weeks for all we know.
[quote][p][bold]iRobot208[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: This all seems like groundhog day after last years shenanigans, I really thought a supposedly astute man like Bloom might have learnt some lessons from that but it seems not. The club seems to be going backwards not forwards...and please do not bring up the old line about where we were a few years ago, that is wearing a bit thin. Looking back to that time is not going to get us a new manager and players that will take us forward from where we are right now[/p][/quote]I hear your pain. My biggest gripe is that, by all accounts, there were rumblings before the end of the season that OG would leave, so I'm uncomfortable as to why there's been no discernible progress in the manager position in the last fortnight. Most clubs would have contingency plans and would accelerate them at the moment it became necessary. So they should surely have had an idea of who was out there in order to be ahead of the game. My own deduction, based on nothing more than a hunch, is that perhaps they're having trouble persuading the right people about the way things are done at our place? Ultimately though, we should reserve judgement on the outcome. But it is incredibly frustrating right now.[/p][/quote]Outstanding post from a real fan.Keep up the good work next week.[/p][/quote]and if Clement is the preferred target, and has been for a while, would we not have had to wait until the cup final was over? Bloom could have been talking to Clement for several weeks for all we know. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

4:42pm Sun 25 May 14

SonnyJim55 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
SonnyJim55 wrote:
This all seems like groundhog day after last years shenanigans, I really thought a supposedly astute man like Bloom might have learnt some lessons from that but it seems not. The club seems to be going backwards not forwards...and please do not bring up the old line about where we were a few years ago, that is wearing a bit thin. Looking back to that time is not going to get us a new manager and players that will take us forward from where we are right now
I hear your pain.
My biggest gripe is that, by all accounts, there were rumblings before the end of the season that OG would leave, so I'm uncomfortable as to why there's been no discernible progress in the manager position in the last fortnight.
Most clubs would have contingency plans and would accelerate them at the moment it became necessary. So they should surely have had an idea of who was out there in order to be ahead of the game.
My own deduction, based on nothing more than a hunch, is that perhaps they're having trouble persuading the right people about the way things are done at our place? Ultimately though, we should reserve judgement on the outcome. But it is incredibly frustrating right now.
Good morning guys.
Given that Tony Bloom is no fool, do you think it's possible that our Chairman is actually further down the road to appointing someone than we know. I ask this because we know that Oscar had spoken with Bloom some weeks before finally going, his departure wasn't a shock to the boardroom.
Events at other clubs have opened up possibilities for this guy to go there and another to go somewhere else, and any of them to come to us, but just maybe our target manager might have been sounded out before we, (the fans) even knew Oscar was going.
Clement might have been Bloom's choice for a while now, even tho some other actors have come into focus due to events. Now that Real's year is over, we just might get our man installed very quickly.
Vegas
He may well have been but most of us voice our frustrations on here about how we think things are progressing (or not). If Clement is going to be the new man in charge (I say that with a pinch of salt based on recent history) I would guess an announcement will be imminent seeing as Reals season has now finished. If he is then I and all other fans will hope he is the right man for the job. His pedigree as a No 2 is obviously impeccable, lets hope he can bring all of that to a position of manager. Gus did pretty well with us after only being an assistant and his clubs in that role were certainly not of the calibre of Paul Clement.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: This all seems like groundhog day after last years shenanigans, I really thought a supposedly astute man like Bloom might have learnt some lessons from that but it seems not. The club seems to be going backwards not forwards...and please do not bring up the old line about where we were a few years ago, that is wearing a bit thin. Looking back to that time is not going to get us a new manager and players that will take us forward from where we are right now[/p][/quote]I hear your pain. My biggest gripe is that, by all accounts, there were rumblings before the end of the season that OG would leave, so I'm uncomfortable as to why there's been no discernible progress in the manager position in the last fortnight. Most clubs would have contingency plans and would accelerate them at the moment it became necessary. So they should surely have had an idea of who was out there in order to be ahead of the game. My own deduction, based on nothing more than a hunch, is that perhaps they're having trouble persuading the right people about the way things are done at our place? Ultimately though, we should reserve judgement on the outcome. But it is incredibly frustrating right now.[/p][/quote]Good morning guys. Given that Tony Bloom is no fool, do you think it's possible that our Chairman is actually further down the road to appointing someone than we know. I ask this because we know that Oscar had spoken with Bloom some weeks before finally going, his departure wasn't a shock to the boardroom. Events at other clubs have opened up possibilities for this guy to go there and another to go somewhere else, and any of them to come to us, but just maybe our target manager might have been sounded out before we, (the fans) even knew Oscar was going. Clement might have been Bloom's choice for a while now, even tho some other actors have come into focus due to events. Now that Real's year is over, we just might get our man installed very quickly.[/p][/quote]Vegas He may well have been but most of us voice our frustrations on here about how we think things are progressing (or not). If Clement is going to be the new man in charge (I say that with a pinch of salt based on recent history) I would guess an announcement will be imminent seeing as Reals season has now finished. If he is then I and all other fans will hope he is the right man for the job. His pedigree as a No 2 is obviously impeccable, lets hope he can bring all of that to a position of manager. Gus did pretty well with us after only being an assistant and his clubs in that role were certainly not of the calibre of Paul Clement. SonnyJim55
  • Score: 2

1:58am Mon 26 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

iRobot208 wrote:
Andrea Orlandigasm wrote:
Am I the only 1 getting more than a little tired of a certain poster's obsession with slagging off Dunk, whatever username he uses? I'm not sure what his agenda is but we get the message: He doesn't like the bloke or rate him as a footballer. At least my obsession with Andrea (RIP) is a positive 1, based on his smile, legs, accent etc as well as his ability! I'm guessing that the certain poster hasn't played for a Championship club. Whether or nor Dunk is up to top-end Championship standard (I have reservations), we've got a lot else to worry about and crucifying 1 player isn't very helpful or edifying.
Go away you sick vile gay nonce.
Has it occurs to you that the poster may be female? Either way you are a sick, vile little homophobe.
[quote][p][bold]iRobot208[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andrea Orlandigasm[/bold] wrote: Am I the only 1 getting more than a little tired of a certain poster's obsession with slagging off Dunk, whatever username he uses? I'm not sure what his agenda is but we get the message: He doesn't like the bloke or rate him as a footballer. At least my obsession with Andrea (RIP) is a positive 1, based on his smile, legs, accent etc as well as his ability! I'm guessing that the certain poster hasn't played for a Championship club. Whether or nor Dunk is up to top-end Championship standard (I have reservations), we've got a lot else to worry about and crucifying 1 player isn't very helpful or edifying.[/p][/quote]Go away you sick vile gay nonce.[/p][/quote]Has it occurs to you that the poster may be female? Either way you are a sick, vile little homophobe. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 4

2:05am Mon 26 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
It feels to me we are one of the poorest clubs in the league,financially.W





e are being outbid on signing on fees on wages and on length of contracts.Being outbid by clubs on 10,000 fans.Burke needs to get his purse out and sign good contracted players ,(guess he wouldn't know a good player if he fell over him).Lets get a good Manager,Brian McDermott would be good and dump Burke because he lives up to his name.
with respect, who have we missed out on to date since our season ended.
TK made it clear several weeks ago that he wanted a prem club, he told us that he was good enough to play at the top level, and that his agent was exploring his options.
Upson, he might well have thought that he had done enough to get a prem club and sure enough he did, had that not happened I feel sure that he would have stayed for another year, why wouldn't he.
True to say that some clubs have completed some deals, both in and out, but there is a long time to go before the window closes, heck it aint even opened yet.
Manager first, rebuild second, no need to panic.
What window are you talking about? Players are not out of contract till July 1st but players were allowed to talk to other clubs 3-4 months before there contract ends, that's why upson is leaving! We should have tied up that player at Xmas rather than no contract talks till end of season, we signed ince on a deal in January , but can't offer our player of the year another year?
Sorry MBTS you keep on about this but players and/or their agents speak to other clubs all the time - irrespective of so-called contractual restrictions.
If Upson wasn't prepared to sign a contract in November, January or May, it's not the club's fault.
He may well have stayed with us if we'd gone up, so on that basis would have hedged his bets through the season and has now exercised his option. The club can't force him to sign and they're hardly likely to make it known halfway through a season that Upson had been offered a new deal but had turned it down.
On this one - in isolation - you can't lay the blame at the club's door.
But that's all guess work, Leicester were not in the premier league in November .. Upson was a class above anyone here. He should have been offered a deal ... The club don't negotiate deals mid season , that's been there stance for a few years! Or are you altering history to base your arguments?
How do you know he wasn't? Rohan Ince was.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: It feels to me we are one of the poorest clubs in the league,financially.W e are being outbid on signing on fees on wages and on length of contracts.Being outbid by clubs on 10,000 fans.Burke needs to get his purse out and sign good contracted players ,(guess he wouldn't know a good player if he fell over him).Lets get a good Manager,Brian McDermott would be good and dump Burke because he lives up to his name.[/p][/quote]with respect, who have we missed out on to date since our season ended. TK made it clear several weeks ago that he wanted a prem club, he told us that he was good enough to play at the top level, and that his agent was exploring his options. Upson, he might well have thought that he had done enough to get a prem club and sure enough he did, had that not happened I feel sure that he would have stayed for another year, why wouldn't he. True to say that some clubs have completed some deals, both in and out, but there is a long time to go before the window closes, heck it aint even opened yet. Manager first, rebuild second, no need to panic.[/p][/quote]What window are you talking about? Players are not out of contract till July 1st but players were allowed to talk to other clubs 3-4 months before there contract ends, that's why upson is leaving! We should have tied up that player at Xmas rather than no contract talks till end of season, we signed ince on a deal in January , but can't offer our player of the year another year?[/p][/quote]Sorry MBTS you keep on about this but players and/or their agents speak to other clubs all the time - irrespective of so-called contractual restrictions. If Upson wasn't prepared to sign a contract in November, January or May, it's not the club's fault. He may well have stayed with us if we'd gone up, so on that basis would have hedged his bets through the season and has now exercised his option. The club can't force him to sign and they're hardly likely to make it known halfway through a season that Upson had been offered a new deal but had turned it down. On this one - in isolation - you can't lay the blame at the club's door.[/p][/quote]But that's all guess work, Leicester were not in the premier league in November .. Upson was a class above anyone here. He should have been offered a deal ... The club don't negotiate deals mid season , that's been there stance for a few years! Or are you altering history to base your arguments?[/p][/quote]How do you know he wasn't? Rohan Ince was. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 2

2:32am Mon 26 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

hannover seagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
So the two big spenders in the championship go up, same as last year, and it will be more the same next, to gain promotion you either have to be the outstanding or spend money.. Burnley were pure class , no injuries no prima donnas
IMHO Burnley were the ticket this season,they had a week in week out work ethic and scored goals for fun.
Hardworking and honest football sadly I can´t say the same about some of their fans who gave me and my young son some real disgusting abuse
For that reason alone I wish them a pelting in the Prem
UTA..
Sadly this is an all too familiar story. Burnley have a sizeable contingent of nasty, spiteful and bigoted hicks who abuse opposition fans at random (they happily give vile verbals to families, couples - I experienced this personally and will never return to their backward dump as a result - vital match aside perhaps). I'm all for the underdog and like Sean Dyche, but they (and Blackburn) are the exception!
[quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: So the two big spenders in the championship go up, same as last year, and it will be more the same next, to gain promotion you either have to be the outstanding or spend money.. Burnley were pure class , no injuries no prima donnas[/p][/quote]IMHO Burnley were the ticket this season,they had a week in week out work ethic and scored goals for fun. Hardworking and honest football sadly I can´t say the same about some of their fans who gave me and my young son some real disgusting abuse For that reason alone I wish them a pelting in the Prem UTA..[/p][/quote]Sadly this is an all too familiar story. Burnley have a sizeable contingent of nasty, spiteful and bigoted hicks who abuse opposition fans at random (they happily give vile verbals to families, couples - I experienced this personally and will never return to their backward dump as a result - vital match aside perhaps). I'm all for the underdog and like Sean Dyche, but they (and Blackburn) are the exception! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

2:37am Mon 26 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

JeffLomer wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
ZAMORA!
What a record in Play Off Finals!!! Bobby Zzzzzzzz
Dont you love Bobby when you have him to score first goal and qpr to win 1-0 cheers BOBBY i am so glad i put £10 on you!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice!
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: ZAMORA![/p][/quote]What a record in Play Off Finals!!! Bobby Zzzzzzzz[/p][/quote]Dont you love Bobby when you have him to score first goal and qpr to win 1-0 cheers BOBBY i am so glad i put £10 on you!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Nice! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

12:08pm Mon 26 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

iRobot208 wrote:
rolivan wrote:
iRobot208 wrote:
mark5 wrote:
iRobot208 wrote:
How many of you really think Upson was a fan of the club still lol haha.The only thing he cares about like all of them is who pays the most money.The more money you have the better girls you get.A PURE FACT OF LIFE SAD MEN.You really think the clubs vile players are giving one thought to the club and its fans right now lol.
I think you are absolutely right on this point. The reality, is that footballers are exceptionally highly paid employees of the football club and they will, by an large, go where they are best paid, combined with any other benefits their "package" offers. Despite what Jessie J sings about, it actually IS All "about the money"!! This is no different in the world that most of us inhabit, just on a different monetary scale!
On a different note, I am not particularly worried about the players we have let go, providing that they are replaced with reasonable quality, when the new manager comes in and starts shaping his squad. I am pretty confident that the club will make some decent signings as it simply has to, unless Bloom is happy for a season of struggle, which I cannot believe he is! Defensively we HAVE to make some signings, because what we have left is far from competitive. Lewis Dunk is some way short of Championship standards at the moment and can only be back up to someone more experienced, Gordon Greer is slowing down and prone to some mistakes, and Bruno, although skill full blows hot and cold. Calde is great but lacks pace. The Championship is getting stronger each year so we need to be prepared.
Let us hope that a new manager is in soon and that he can get a decent pre- season underway, with some signings of a good standard, to ensure we challenge again. I also fervently hope that some of the "issues" that have made 2 good managers resign, are resolved.! UTA.
Outstanding post please keep up the good work next week my friend.Please don't let the Dunk family take over the site next week with the Dunk PR rubbish yet again.His the reason we just lost yet another very good manager.
Do You sit in front of a mirror when you write, it must be hard work having a multi personality disorder.
But your post got not one thumbs up sad man lol hahah.
I wouldn't start judging others on thumbs up or down if I was you...
[quote][p][bold]iRobot208[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iRobot208[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iRobot208[/bold] wrote: How many of you really think Upson was a fan of the club still lol haha.The only thing he cares about like all of them is who pays the most money.The more money you have the better girls you get.A PURE FACT OF LIFE SAD MEN.You really think the clubs vile players are giving one thought to the club and its fans right now lol.[/p][/quote]I think you are absolutely right on this point. The reality, is that footballers are exceptionally highly paid employees of the football club and they will, by an large, go where they are best paid, combined with any other benefits their "package" offers. Despite what Jessie J sings about, it actually IS All "about the money"!! This is no different in the world that most of us inhabit, just on a different monetary scale! On a different note, I am not particularly worried about the players we have let go, providing that they are replaced with reasonable quality, when the new manager comes in and starts shaping his squad. I am pretty confident that the club will make some decent signings as it simply has to, unless Bloom is happy for a season of struggle, which I cannot believe he is! Defensively we HAVE to make some signings, because what we have left is far from competitive. Lewis Dunk is some way short of Championship standards at the moment and can only be back up to someone more experienced, Gordon Greer is slowing down and prone to some mistakes, and Bruno, although skill full blows hot and cold. Calde is great but lacks pace. The Championship is getting stronger each year so we need to be prepared. Let us hope that a new manager is in soon and that he can get a decent pre- season underway, with some signings of a good standard, to ensure we challenge again. I also fervently hope that some of the "issues" that have made 2 good managers resign, are resolved.! UTA.[/p][/quote]Outstanding post please keep up the good work next week my friend.Please don't let the Dunk family take over the site next week with the Dunk PR rubbish yet again.His the reason we just lost yet another very good manager.[/p][/quote]Do You sit in front of a mirror when you write, it must be hard work having a multi personality disorder.[/p][/quote]But your post got not one thumbs up sad man lol hahah.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't start judging others on thumbs up or down if I was you... Ex-pat Arnie
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12:31pm Sun 1 Jun 14

dar1992 says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
albionfan33 wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
Whoever makes the decisions on who to bring in and who to let go, seems to have got himself in a bit of a mess. We currently have one ( not very good) goalkeeper, one ageing and one developing centre back, two ageing and in Bruno's case, injury prone, right backs, one young, inexperienced and unproven left back , in midfield we look a little stronger, although we can only guess at when Crofts will be back, Stephens was injured, Agustien is a waste of space, JFC still to convince. Up front, it looks likely we may lose Ulloa and CMS is still to prove himself at this level, Buckley and Lua Lua are both injury prone and enigmatic at best. And to cap it all ,there's no-one in place to sort out the mess. So can we please get a manager in place, who understands and agrees to the financial constraints and is willing to work within the structure of the club ( which sadly in my view includes working with a Director of Football, or whatever his title is ), who is likely to stay for more than a season without throwing his toys out of the pram and we can then start to address the disjointed and transient nature of the squad. We need some stability, continuity and to build a strong unit, or "group", as they like to say now. If the season started tomorrow, I wouldn't hold out much hope for our chances.
good thing there are 3 months to get things sorted then ehh. and there is nothing wrong with having a clearout the squad is old and has failed twice when in position to go up. maybe we wont challenge this season maybe we will again but the squad needs replacing.
I agree - it's a good job we have 3 months, we need it. But if we don't appoint a manager and start rebuilding the squad, we will be left in the same position as we were last year - other teams stealing a march on us on terms of recruitment, no pre-season to speak of, and left resorting to desperate loan deals to try to fill gaps.
nothing wrong with clearing out older players but they should bring a few in or atleast have a deal close first this could really blow up in our face no keeper only 2 first team cbs ( ince would make 3 i guess should he play there) mo first team left back (AGAIN!) and a shortage upfront the only area we are ok (still not great imo) is midfield i hope what they are planning works because if it does it could launch us closer to the premier league
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albionfan33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: Whoever makes the decisions on who to bring in and who to let go, seems to have got himself in a bit of a mess. We currently have one ( not very good) goalkeeper, one ageing and one developing centre back, two ageing and in Bruno's case, injury prone, right backs, one young, inexperienced and unproven left back , in midfield we look a little stronger, although we can only guess at when Crofts will be back, Stephens was injured, Agustien is a waste of space, JFC still to convince. Up front, it looks likely we may lose Ulloa and CMS is still to prove himself at this level, Buckley and Lua Lua are both injury prone and enigmatic at best. And to cap it all ,there's no-one in place to sort out the mess. So can we please get a manager in place, who understands and agrees to the financial constraints and is willing to work within the structure of the club ( which sadly in my view includes working with a Director of Football, or whatever his title is ), who is likely to stay for more than a season without throwing his toys out of the pram and we can then start to address the disjointed and transient nature of the squad. We need some stability, continuity and to build a strong unit, or "group", as they like to say now. If the season started tomorrow, I wouldn't hold out much hope for our chances.[/p][/quote]good thing there are 3 months to get things sorted then ehh. and there is nothing wrong with having a clearout the squad is old and has failed twice when in position to go up. maybe we wont challenge this season maybe we will again but the squad needs replacing.[/p][/quote]I agree - it's a good job we have 3 months, we need it. But if we don't appoint a manager and start rebuilding the squad, we will be left in the same position as we were last year - other teams stealing a march on us on terms of recruitment, no pre-season to speak of, and left resorting to desperate loan deals to try to fill gaps.[/p][/quote]nothing wrong with clearing out older players but they should bring a few in or atleast have a deal close first this could really blow up in our face no keeper only 2 first team cbs ( ince would make 3 i guess should he play there) mo first team left back (AGAIN!) and a shortage upfront the only area we are ok (still not great imo) is midfield i hope what they are planning works because if it does it could launch us closer to the premier league dar1992
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