Clement new favourite for Albion job after Euro glory

Paul Clement lifts the Champions League trophy with Carlo Ancelotti last night

Paul Clement lifts the Champions League trophy with Carlo Ancelotti last night

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Real Madrid coach Paul Clement is the new favourite to become Albion manager after European glory last night.

Clement is being quoted as short as 5/4 this morning to take over from Oscar Garcia.

That could be as result of comments after last night’s extra-time win over Atletico Madrid in the final of the Champions League.

Clement, who has worked as coach to Carlo Ancelotti, stressed his desire to break into management.

His odds have also since tumbled for the vacant post at West Bromwich Albion.

Former Middlesbrough manager Tony Mowbray has also attracted backing for the Albion job.

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11:23am Sun 25 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Well they called Mowbray Tony Morbid at WBA and in my opinion, his credentials are not worthy. But I did suggest the reason for total silence may have been a courtesy to Clement and RM prior to last night's CL final and now that's over, perhaps the wagon will start rolling?
Well they called Mowbray Tony Morbid at WBA and in my opinion, his credentials are not worthy. But I did suggest the reason for total silence may have been a courtesy to Clement and RM prior to last night's CL final and now that's over, perhaps the wagon will start rolling? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 4

11:25am Sun 25 May 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Mowbray's a decent man and di well initially at Middlesborough.
Mowbray's a decent man and di well initially at Middlesborough. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: -9

11:28am Sun 25 May 14

Rhodes Seagull says...

Morning. I just wish that someone in the higher offices of our club would now come out and give us an up to date statement. We have been very patient awaiting some kind of positive news.
I understand where people saying the club cannot give much away but the weeks are passing and to have no real up to date information IMO is unfair to us the supporters/followers of Brighton and Hove Albion.
Morning. I just wish that someone in the higher offices of our club would now come out and give us an up to date statement. We have been very patient awaiting some kind of positive news. I understand where people saying the club cannot give much away but the weeks are passing and to have no real up to date information IMO is unfair to us the supporters/followers of Brighton and Hove Albion. Rhodes Seagull
  • Score: -36

11:29am Sun 25 May 14

Grendel says...

I would imagine after success with Real, Clement's sights might be aimed a bit higher.
I would imagine after success with Real, Clement's sights might be aimed a bit higher. Grendel
  • Score: 4

11:42am Sun 25 May 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

Grendel wrote:
I would imagine after success with Real, Clement's sights might be aimed a bit higher.
Yes-WBA are in the PL in case no one noticed!
[quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: I would imagine after success with Real, Clement's sights might be aimed a bit higher.[/p][/quote]Yes-WBA are in the PL in case no one noticed! SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 6

11:51am Sun 25 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
Grendel wrote:
I would imagine after success with Real, Clement's sights might be aimed a bit higher.
Yes-WBA are in the PL in case no one noticed!
A cheeky balancing act for me, this one..
Yep, he's part of successful Real Madrid set up and that lends itself to him moving to a higher level than us. But... He's never been a manager so the PL is a tough place to start and I'm not sure PL clubs would take that chance?
Up here in the midlands, the feeling is that WBA need to appoint a proven individual after the swift departures of Clarke and Mel. Yep, we've had two swift departures too, but we're not PL. Interesting conundrum.....
[quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: I would imagine after success with Real, Clement's sights might be aimed a bit higher.[/p][/quote]Yes-WBA are in the PL in case no one noticed![/p][/quote]A cheeky balancing act for me, this one.. Yep, he's part of successful Real Madrid set up and that lends itself to him moving to a higher level than us. But... He's never been a manager so the PL is a tough place to start and I'm not sure PL clubs would take that chance? Up here in the midlands, the feeling is that WBA need to appoint a proven individual after the swift departures of Clarke and Mel. Yep, we've had two swift departures too, but we're not PL. Interesting conundrum..... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 17

11:51am Sun 25 May 14

Grendel says...

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Morning. I just wish that someone in the higher offices of our club would now come out and give us an up to date statement. We have been very patient awaiting some kind of positive news.
I understand where people saying the club cannot give much away but the weeks are passing and to have no real up to date information IMO is unfair to us the supporters/followers of Brighton and Hove Albion.
What would you like them to announce? We know they are shortlisting and interviewing. Not much to announce until they have actually appointed someone.
[quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: Morning. I just wish that someone in the higher offices of our club would now come out and give us an up to date statement. We have been very patient awaiting some kind of positive news. I understand where people saying the club cannot give much away but the weeks are passing and to have no real up to date information IMO is unfair to us the supporters/followers of Brighton and Hove Albion.[/p][/quote]What would you like them to announce? We know they are shortlisting and interviewing. Not much to announce until they have actually appointed someone. Grendel
  • Score: 13

11:56am Sun 25 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Morning. I just wish that someone in the higher offices of our club would now come out and give us an up to date statement. We have been very patient awaiting some kind of positive news.
I understand where people saying the club cannot give much away but the weeks are passing and to have no real up to date information IMO is unfair to us the supporters/followers of Brighton and Hove Albion.
Yep, I'd like to hear something too, even if it's just a case of saying things are progressing and; "these things take time".. One thing's for sure they would never divulge specific information and they'll be doing what they see is right for the club's smooth running. Fans thinking it's "unfair" ain't a priority!
Perhaps we're on the verge of a bit of action, in which case the silence will quickly be forgotten!
[quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: Morning. I just wish that someone in the higher offices of our club would now come out and give us an up to date statement. We have been very patient awaiting some kind of positive news. I understand where people saying the club cannot give much away but the weeks are passing and to have no real up to date information IMO is unfair to us the supporters/followers of Brighton and Hove Albion.[/p][/quote]Yep, I'd like to hear something too, even if it's just a case of saying things are progressing and; "these things take time".. One thing's for sure they would never divulge specific information and they'll be doing what they see is right for the club's smooth running. Fans thinking it's "unfair" ain't a priority! Perhaps we're on the verge of a bit of action, in which case the silence will quickly be forgotten! Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -4

11:57am Sun 25 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Grendel wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Morning. I just wish that someone in the higher offices of our club would now come out and give us an up to date statement. We have been very patient awaiting some kind of positive news.
I understand where people saying the club cannot give much away but the weeks are passing and to have no real up to date information IMO is unfair to us the supporters/followers of Brighton and Hove Albion.
What would you like them to announce? We know they are shortlisting and interviewing. Not much to announce until they have actually appointed someone.
You don't have to 'announce' but you can 'reflect'
[quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: Morning. I just wish that someone in the higher offices of our club would now come out and give us an up to date statement. We have been very patient awaiting some kind of positive news. I understand where people saying the club cannot give much away but the weeks are passing and to have no real up to date information IMO is unfair to us the supporters/followers of Brighton and Hove Albion.[/p][/quote]What would you like them to announce? We know they are shortlisting and interviewing. Not much to announce until they have actually appointed someone.[/p][/quote]You don't have to 'announce' but you can 'reflect' Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 0

12:09pm Sun 25 May 14

brightonfan34 says...

dont want the Former Middlesbrough manager Tony Mowbray as our manager
dont want the Former Middlesbrough manager Tony Mowbray as our manager brightonfan34
  • Score: 25

12:12pm Sun 25 May 14

RussinArmy says...

It would be nice to have a Manager in place very soon. As everyone knows there have been a lot of players released who could step into the championship with Brighton. I hope we don't wait too long; however I am sure TB is in the same thought process. Clement or Houghton for me, exciting but also frustrating times for us all.
It would be nice to have a Manager in place very soon. As everyone knows there have been a lot of players released who could step into the championship with Brighton. I hope we don't wait too long; however I am sure TB is in the same thought process. Clement or Houghton for me, exciting but also frustrating times for us all. RussinArmy
  • Score: -4

12:21pm Sun 25 May 14

OldGull says...

What can the club announce?
We are looking for a new manager but haven't found one yet?

Just be patient everyone.
TB will find the right man
3rd time lucky
What can the club announce? We are looking for a new manager but haven't found one yet? Just be patient everyone. TB will find the right man 3rd time lucky OldGull
  • Score: 7

12:34pm Sun 25 May 14

Rhodes Seagull says...

Grendel wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Morning. I just wish that someone in the higher offices of our club would now come out and give us an up to date statement. We have been very patient awaiting some kind of positive news.
I understand where people saying the club cannot give much away but the weeks are passing and to have no real up to date information IMO is unfair to us the supporters/followers of Brighton and Hove Albion.
What would you like them to announce? We know they are shortlisting and interviewing. Not much to announce until they have actually appointed someone.
How about " We have a short list of ?? and hope to be making a positive announcement within the next 7 to 10 days"
[quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: Morning. I just wish that someone in the higher offices of our club would now come out and give us an up to date statement. We have been very patient awaiting some kind of positive news. I understand where people saying the club cannot give much away but the weeks are passing and to have no real up to date information IMO is unfair to us the supporters/followers of Brighton and Hove Albion.[/p][/quote]What would you like them to announce? We know they are shortlisting and interviewing. Not much to announce until they have actually appointed someone.[/p][/quote]How about " We have a short list of ?? and hope to be making a positive announcement within the next 7 to 10 days" Rhodes Seagull
  • Score: -14

12:35pm Sun 25 May 14

afterovid says...

After a succession of foreign and other dimwits managing the club, Bloom's had a meeting with Barry and Paul Elliot, with a view to them being appointed as joint managers forthwith.
After a succession of foreign and other dimwits managing the club, Bloom's had a meeting with Barry and Paul Elliot, with a view to them being appointed as joint managers forthwith. afterovid
  • Score: -31

12:40pm Sun 25 May 14

Frankie Moonshine says...

I hate to be a negative Nancy but if it's a straight toss up between us and WBA then we've got no chance. Premier League club with Premier League money.

I do like the idea of this appointment but I'm not going to get too excited when there are other clubs interested.
I hate to be a negative Nancy but if it's a straight toss up between us and WBA then we've got no chance. Premier League club with Premier League money. I do like the idea of this appointment but I'm not going to get too excited when there are other clubs interested. Frankie Moonshine
  • Score: 6

12:49pm Sun 25 May 14

mark5 says...

While I have no doubt that the employment process is well under way and a manager has probably been chosen now anyway, what does interest me, is whether continuing with the ""Spanish Experiment" is the way forward to get out of the Championship. While I would love to see Albion, passing and tapping their way into the Premiership, the reality, is that we do not really have the players to do this, hence why Oscar was often so defensive in his style. To play like Real Madrid, you need the players they have! Is it time for an experienced English Manager, to get us moving now, who understands the Championship and the style required to be strong and competitive. Derby play strong, passing and attractive football, which I suspect would entertain most of us fans at the Amex rather than the tippy tapping, passing from the back style we have seen so much "effort" going into without the requisite quality to move the ball quickly when needed. I am sure we will soon know..............!
While I have no doubt that the employment process is well under way and a manager has probably been chosen now anyway, what does interest me, is whether continuing with the ""Spanish Experiment" is the way forward to get out of the Championship. While I would love to see Albion, passing and tapping their way into the Premiership, the reality, is that we do not really have the players to do this, hence why Oscar was often so defensive in his style. To play like Real Madrid, you need the players they have! Is it time for an experienced English Manager, to get us moving now, who understands the Championship and the style required to be strong and competitive. Derby play strong, passing and attractive football, which I suspect would entertain most of us fans at the Amex rather than the tippy tapping, passing from the back style we have seen so much "effort" going into without the requisite quality to move the ball quickly when needed. I am sure we will soon know..............! mark5
  • Score: 17

12:54pm Sun 25 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Grendel wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Morning. I just wish that someone in the higher offices of our club would now come out and give us an up to date statement. We have been very patient awaiting some kind of positive news.
I understand where people saying the club cannot give much away but the weeks are passing and to have no real up to date information IMO is unfair to us the supporters/followers of Brighton and Hove Albion.
What would you like them to announce? We know they are shortlisting and interviewing. Not much to announce until they have actually appointed someone.
How about " We have a short list of ?? and hope to be making a positive announcement within the next 7 to 10 days"
Having a long list of, 'quality applicants,' or a short list numbering ?? means nothing if your target is known and has been for some time. Sherwood said that he had not been in talks with Brighton, well if he were our target, he would have been in talks, in fact he would have the job right now, if he wanted it, so I don't think Sherwood was the target.
As I commented on a different thread, Bloom knew Oscar's resignation was coming, he was forewarned, I can't believe that Bloom did not start the process, al be it quietly, of finding our replacement. Bloom is running a multi million pound business, you don't leave things to chance or until the last minute when you know that you are losing a key member of the organization.
If Clement gets the job in the coming hours or days then I would have to believe that confidential tentative talks started some time ago, Clement would have been sounded out. My guess is that Clement is our number one target followed by Hughton, one of the two gets the job.
[quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: Morning. I just wish that someone in the higher offices of our club would now come out and give us an up to date statement. We have been very patient awaiting some kind of positive news. I understand where people saying the club cannot give much away but the weeks are passing and to have no real up to date information IMO is unfair to us the supporters/followers of Brighton and Hove Albion.[/p][/quote]What would you like them to announce? We know they are shortlisting and interviewing. Not much to announce until they have actually appointed someone.[/p][/quote]How about " We have a short list of ?? and hope to be making a positive announcement within the next 7 to 10 days"[/p][/quote]Having a long list of, 'quality applicants,' or a short list numbering ?? means nothing if your target is known and has been for some time. Sherwood said that he had not been in talks with Brighton, well if he were our target, he would have been in talks, in fact he would have the job right now, if he wanted it, so I don't think Sherwood was the target. As I commented on a different thread, Bloom knew Oscar's resignation was coming, he was forewarned, I can't believe that Bloom did not start the process, al be it quietly, of finding our replacement. Bloom is running a multi million pound business, you don't leave things to chance or until the last minute when you know that you are losing a key member of the organization. If Clement gets the job in the coming hours or days then I would have to believe that confidential tentative talks started some time ago, Clement would have been sounded out. My guess is that Clement is our number one target followed by Hughton, one of the two gets the job. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

12:59pm Sun 25 May 14

Albion fan in London says...

Not doubt a talented coach and huge respect for holding such a prestigious role with the biggest club in the world but why go with another coach who will not know the championship, is out of touch with British football, has never been a no1 at any side and now will now be coming into the championship where there are proven international and ex premier league managers struggling to get teams out the league or in some cases no way near the play offs. I think we are jumping out the frying pan into the fire with this appointment personally. We need a new management team in who have proven track records in this country who know what it takes to get a team promoted. We seem to be angling for these high risk managers at the moment. Cmon Tony, lets get this appointment done and dusted!!
Not doubt a talented coach and huge respect for holding such a prestigious role with the biggest club in the world but why go with another coach who will not know the championship, is out of touch with British football, has never been a no1 at any side and now will now be coming into the championship where there are proven international and ex premier league managers struggling to get teams out the league or in some cases no way near the play offs. I think we are jumping out the frying pan into the fire with this appointment personally. We need a new management team in who have proven track records in this country who know what it takes to get a team promoted. We seem to be angling for these high risk managers at the moment. Cmon Tony, lets get this appointment done and dusted!! Albion fan in London
  • Score: -1

1:06pm Sun 25 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Albion fan in London wrote:
Not doubt a talented coach and huge respect for holding such a prestigious role with the biggest club in the world but why go with another coach who will not know the championship, is out of touch with British football, has never been a no1 at any side and now will now be coming into the championship where there are proven international and ex premier league managers struggling to get teams out the league or in some cases no way near the play offs. I think we are jumping out the frying pan into the fire with this appointment personally. We need a new management team in who have proven track records in this country who know what it takes to get a team promoted. We seem to be angling for these high risk managers at the moment. Cmon Tony, lets get this appointment done and dusted!!
Whilst your thoughts have merit regarding experience of the appointee, would not your bench mark have ruled out Poyet and Garcia, two managers/coaches, that did rather well for the club, with Poyet doing the most? Garcia may not have been with us for long, but we did make the play-offs, and that aint bad considering all that he had to deal with, and he did it at his first attempt.
[quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: Not doubt a talented coach and huge respect for holding such a prestigious role with the biggest club in the world but why go with another coach who will not know the championship, is out of touch with British football, has never been a no1 at any side and now will now be coming into the championship where there are proven international and ex premier league managers struggling to get teams out the league or in some cases no way near the play offs. I think we are jumping out the frying pan into the fire with this appointment personally. We need a new management team in who have proven track records in this country who know what it takes to get a team promoted. We seem to be angling for these high risk managers at the moment. Cmon Tony, lets get this appointment done and dusted!![/p][/quote]Whilst your thoughts have merit regarding experience of the appointee, would not your bench mark have ruled out Poyet and Garcia, two managers/coaches, that did rather well for the club, with Poyet doing the most? Garcia may not have been with us for long, but we did make the play-offs, and that aint bad considering all that he had to deal with, and he did it at his first attempt. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 13

1:22pm Sun 25 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Frankie Moonshine wrote:
I hate to be a negative Nancy but if it's a straight toss up between us and WBA then we've got no chance. Premier League club with Premier League money.

I do like the idea of this appointment but I'm not going to get too excited when there are other clubs interested.
some would say that it would be a gamble on Brighton's part to install a manager who does not have experience, another good coach making the step up, if that is true, then West Brom would surely be taking an even bigger gamble by taking on Clement.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Moonshine[/bold] wrote: I hate to be a negative Nancy but if it's a straight toss up between us and WBA then we've got no chance. Premier League club with Premier League money. I do like the idea of this appointment but I'm not going to get too excited when there are other clubs interested.[/p][/quote]some would say that it would be a gamble on Brighton's part to install a manager who does not have experience, another good coach making the step up, if that is true, then West Brom would surely be taking an even bigger gamble by taking on Clement. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

1:25pm Sun 25 May 14

mark5 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Grendel wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Morning. I just wish that someone in the higher offices of our club would now come out and give us an up to date statement. We have been very patient awaiting some kind of positive news.
I understand where people saying the club cannot give much away but the weeks are passing and to have no real up to date information IMO is unfair to us the supporters/followers of Brighton and Hove Albion.
What would you like them to announce? We know they are shortlisting and interviewing. Not much to announce until they have actually appointed someone.
How about " We have a short list of ?? and hope to be making a positive announcement within the next 7 to 10 days"
Having a long list of, 'quality applicants,' or a short list numbering ?? means nothing if your target is known and has been for some time. Sherwood said that he had not been in talks with Brighton, well if he were our target, he would have been in talks, in fact he would have the job right now, if he wanted it, so I don't think Sherwood was the target.
As I commented on a different thread, Bloom knew Oscar's resignation was coming, he was forewarned, I can't believe that Bloom did not start the process, al be it quietly, of finding our replacement. Bloom is running a multi million pound business, you don't leave things to chance or until the last minute when you know that you are losing a key member of the organization.
If Clement gets the job in the coming hours or days then I would have to believe that confidential tentative talks started some time ago, Clement would have been sounded out. My guess is that Clement is our number one target followed by Hughton, one of the two gets the job.
Yes, totally agree with all you say. The two individuals highlighted are the likely ones, although Hughton would be my choice (for what it is worth!) given my comments in an earlier post about the style of play we will be seeing next season.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: Morning. I just wish that someone in the higher offices of our club would now come out and give us an up to date statement. We have been very patient awaiting some kind of positive news. I understand where people saying the club cannot give much away but the weeks are passing and to have no real up to date information IMO is unfair to us the supporters/followers of Brighton and Hove Albion.[/p][/quote]What would you like them to announce? We know they are shortlisting and interviewing. Not much to announce until they have actually appointed someone.[/p][/quote]How about " We have a short list of ?? and hope to be making a positive announcement within the next 7 to 10 days"[/p][/quote]Having a long list of, 'quality applicants,' or a short list numbering ?? means nothing if your target is known and has been for some time. Sherwood said that he had not been in talks with Brighton, well if he were our target, he would have been in talks, in fact he would have the job right now, if he wanted it, so I don't think Sherwood was the target. As I commented on a different thread, Bloom knew Oscar's resignation was coming, he was forewarned, I can't believe that Bloom did not start the process, al be it quietly, of finding our replacement. Bloom is running a multi million pound business, you don't leave things to chance or until the last minute when you know that you are losing a key member of the organization. If Clement gets the job in the coming hours or days then I would have to believe that confidential tentative talks started some time ago, Clement would have been sounded out. My guess is that Clement is our number one target followed by Hughton, one of the two gets the job.[/p][/quote]Yes, totally agree with all you say. The two individuals highlighted are the likely ones, although Hughton would be my choice (for what it is worth!) given my comments in an earlier post about the style of play we will be seeing next season. mark5
  • Score: -5

1:41pm Sun 25 May 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
Not doubt a talented coach and huge respect for holding such a prestigious role with the biggest club in the world but why go with another coach who will not know the championship, is out of touch with British football, has never been a no1 at any side and now will now be coming into the championship where there are proven international and ex premier league managers struggling to get teams out the league or in some cases no way near the play offs. I think we are jumping out the frying pan into the fire with this appointment personally. We need a new management team in who have proven track records in this country who know what it takes to get a team promoted. We seem to be angling for these high risk managers at the moment. Cmon Tony, lets get this appointment done and dusted!!
Whilst your thoughts have merit regarding experience of the appointee, would not your bench mark have ruled out Poyet and Garcia, two managers/coaches, that did rather well for the club, with Poyet doing the most? Garcia may not have been with us for long, but we did make the play-offs, and that aint bad considering all that he had to deal with, and he did it at his first attempt.
Poyet joined us in the 1st Division, and arrived in the Championship having won that League.
Garcia won the Israeli Title.
Clement has no experience other than as assistant.
He has no more qualifications for the job than Nathan Jones.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: Not doubt a talented coach and huge respect for holding such a prestigious role with the biggest club in the world but why go with another coach who will not know the championship, is out of touch with British football, has never been a no1 at any side and now will now be coming into the championship where there are proven international and ex premier league managers struggling to get teams out the league or in some cases no way near the play offs. I think we are jumping out the frying pan into the fire with this appointment personally. We need a new management team in who have proven track records in this country who know what it takes to get a team promoted. We seem to be angling for these high risk managers at the moment. Cmon Tony, lets get this appointment done and dusted!![/p][/quote]Whilst your thoughts have merit regarding experience of the appointee, would not your bench mark have ruled out Poyet and Garcia, two managers/coaches, that did rather well for the club, with Poyet doing the most? Garcia may not have been with us for long, but we did make the play-offs, and that aint bad considering all that he had to deal with, and he did it at his first attempt.[/p][/quote]Poyet joined us in the 1st Division, and arrived in the Championship having won that League. Garcia won the Israeli Title. Clement has no experience other than as assistant. He has no more qualifications for the job than Nathan Jones. gordongull
  • Score: -15

1:52pm Sun 25 May 14

gburbs says...

gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
Not doubt a talented coach and huge respect for holding such a prestigious role with the biggest club in the world but why go with another coach who will not know the championship, is out of touch with British football, has never been a no1 at any side and now will now be coming into the championship where there are proven international and ex premier league managers struggling to get teams out the league or in some cases no way near the play offs. I think we are jumping out the frying pan into the fire with this appointment personally. We need a new management team in who have proven track records in this country who know what it takes to get a team promoted. We seem to be angling for these high risk managers at the moment. Cmon Tony, lets get this appointment done and dusted!!
Whilst your thoughts have merit regarding experience of the appointee, would not your bench mark have ruled out Poyet and Garcia, two managers/coaches, that did rather well for the club, with Poyet doing the most? Garcia may not have been with us for long, but we did make the play-offs, and that aint bad considering all that he had to deal with, and he did it at his first attempt.
Poyet joined us in the 1st Division, and arrived in the Championship having won that League.
Garcia won the Israeli Title.
Clement has no experience other than as assistant.
He has no more qualifications for the job than Nathan Jones.
Oh I totally agree no more than Jones.

Oh dear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: Not doubt a talented coach and huge respect for holding such a prestigious role with the biggest club in the world but why go with another coach who will not know the championship, is out of touch with British football, has never been a no1 at any side and now will now be coming into the championship where there are proven international and ex premier league managers struggling to get teams out the league or in some cases no way near the play offs. I think we are jumping out the frying pan into the fire with this appointment personally. We need a new management team in who have proven track records in this country who know what it takes to get a team promoted. We seem to be angling for these high risk managers at the moment. Cmon Tony, lets get this appointment done and dusted!![/p][/quote]Whilst your thoughts have merit regarding experience of the appointee, would not your bench mark have ruled out Poyet and Garcia, two managers/coaches, that did rather well for the club, with Poyet doing the most? Garcia may not have been with us for long, but we did make the play-offs, and that aint bad considering all that he had to deal with, and he did it at his first attempt.[/p][/quote]Poyet joined us in the 1st Division, and arrived in the Championship having won that League. Garcia won the Israeli Title. Clement has no experience other than as assistant. He has no more qualifications for the job than Nathan Jones.[/p][/quote]Oh I totally agree no more than Jones. Oh dear!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gburbs
  • Score: -7

1:53pm Sun 25 May 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
Not doubt a talented coach and huge respect for holding such a prestigious role with the biggest club in the world but why go with another coach who will not know the championship, is out of touch with British football, has never been a no1 at any side and now will now be coming into the championship where there are proven international and ex premier league managers struggling to get teams out the league or in some cases no way near the play offs. I think we are jumping out the frying pan into the fire with this appointment personally. We need a new management team in who have proven track records in this country who know what it takes to get a team promoted. We seem to be angling for these high risk managers at the moment. Cmon Tony, lets get this appointment done and dusted!!
Whilst your thoughts have merit regarding experience of the appointee, would not your bench mark have ruled out Poyet and Garcia, two managers/coaches, that did rather well for the club, with Poyet doing the most? Garcia may not have been with us for long, but we did make the play-offs, and that aint bad considering all that he had to deal with, and he did it at his first attempt.
He did that with Gus squad really, the new man is going to have to rebuild squad ..
On the matter of OG , TB stated there was a communication problem, that problem seems also between the club and the fans,
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: Not doubt a talented coach and huge respect for holding such a prestigious role with the biggest club in the world but why go with another coach who will not know the championship, is out of touch with British football, has never been a no1 at any side and now will now be coming into the championship where there are proven international and ex premier league managers struggling to get teams out the league or in some cases no way near the play offs. I think we are jumping out the frying pan into the fire with this appointment personally. We need a new management team in who have proven track records in this country who know what it takes to get a team promoted. We seem to be angling for these high risk managers at the moment. Cmon Tony, lets get this appointment done and dusted!![/p][/quote]Whilst your thoughts have merit regarding experience of the appointee, would not your bench mark have ruled out Poyet and Garcia, two managers/coaches, that did rather well for the club, with Poyet doing the most? Garcia may not have been with us for long, but we did make the play-offs, and that aint bad considering all that he had to deal with, and he did it at his first attempt.[/p][/quote]He did that with Gus squad really, the new man is going to have to rebuild squad .. On the matter of OG , TB stated there was a communication problem, that problem seems also between the club and the fans, mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

1:55pm Sun 25 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
Not doubt a talented coach and huge respect for holding such a prestigious role with the biggest club in the world but why go with another coach who will not know the championship, is out of touch with British football, has never been a no1 at any side and now will now be coming into the championship where there are proven international and ex premier league managers struggling to get teams out the league or in some cases no way near the play offs. I think we are jumping out the frying pan into the fire with this appointment personally. We need a new management team in who have proven track records in this country who know what it takes to get a team promoted. We seem to be angling for these high risk managers at the moment. Cmon Tony, lets get this appointment done and dusted!!
Whilst your thoughts have merit regarding experience of the appointee, would not your bench mark have ruled out Poyet and Garcia, two managers/coaches, that did rather well for the club, with Poyet doing the most? Garcia may not have been with us for long, but we did make the play-offs, and that aint bad considering all that he had to deal with, and he did it at his first attempt.
Poyet joined us in the 1st Division, and arrived in the Championship having won that League.
Garcia won the Israeli Title.
Clement has no experience other than as assistant.
He has no more qualifications for the job than Nathan Jones.
The facts that you state in reply are spot on, no arguement there. Looking at the possible options for Bloom to consider, I believe all bar one was fired, rightly or wrongly, so having a proven track record may not be all it is ramped up to be.
Clement may not have had first hand experience in managing a club, but his mentors over the years have a pretty good pedigree, I would have to think that he has learnt a thing or two. Appointing Clement would follow in the previous decisions made by Bloom, I am not so sure that he would alter his approach, possibly with Mowbray being the exception.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: Not doubt a talented coach and huge respect for holding such a prestigious role with the biggest club in the world but why go with another coach who will not know the championship, is out of touch with British football, has never been a no1 at any side and now will now be coming into the championship where there are proven international and ex premier league managers struggling to get teams out the league or in some cases no way near the play offs. I think we are jumping out the frying pan into the fire with this appointment personally. We need a new management team in who have proven track records in this country who know what it takes to get a team promoted. We seem to be angling for these high risk managers at the moment. Cmon Tony, lets get this appointment done and dusted!![/p][/quote]Whilst your thoughts have merit regarding experience of the appointee, would not your bench mark have ruled out Poyet and Garcia, two managers/coaches, that did rather well for the club, with Poyet doing the most? Garcia may not have been with us for long, but we did make the play-offs, and that aint bad considering all that he had to deal with, and he did it at his first attempt.[/p][/quote]Poyet joined us in the 1st Division, and arrived in the Championship having won that League. Garcia won the Israeli Title. Clement has no experience other than as assistant. He has no more qualifications for the job than Nathan Jones.[/p][/quote]The facts that you state in reply are spot on, no arguement there. Looking at the possible options for Bloom to consider, I believe all bar one was fired, rightly or wrongly, so having a proven track record may not be all it is ramped up to be. Clement may not have had first hand experience in managing a club, but his mentors over the years have a pretty good pedigree, I would have to think that he has learnt a thing or two. Appointing Clement would follow in the previous decisions made by Bloom, I am not so sure that he would alter his approach, possibly with Mowbray being the exception. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

2:40pm Sun 25 May 14

namgo49 says...

Real Madrid don’t play “tippy tappy” they are far quicker and come forward en masse. They play Benzema up front with Bale and Ronaldo just behind. I don’t have a problem with that style but what I do have problem with is that there is a marked difference between being assistant and being manager/head coach.

I can’t see WBA risking him as they took a punt on Steve Clark in his 1st Managerial having always run as a good number 2 previously. It didn’t work. Mclaren struggled for ages after having been in the shadow of Ferguson. Brian Kidd never made it as a head man. Steve Kean the same.

I wonder if Oscar was not trusted well enough at Brighton to give him much money to spend. Burke gets the players but it is based on ones that the Manager/Head Coach comes up with and from the interview with Tony Bloom he came up with a list of players who were simply not available. Alternatives were found but I cannot imagine he was thrilled with Obika and too, may be the others were not his ideal choices. With Dale Stephens they probably showed him his one wow goal at Charlton and said he plays like that every week!!

Sure fire thing is to get someone decent then they will cost and they will want a decent budget. Clement has been spoiled at PSG and RM and would have had no influence over player imports. Sherwood is different and he would be my choice as he has those vital ingredients, charisma and ability to motivate, viz Adebeyor, who was down and out at the club under AVB.
Real Madrid don’t play “tippy tappy” they are far quicker and come forward en masse. They play Benzema up front with Bale and Ronaldo just behind. I don’t have a problem with that style but what I do have problem with is that there is a marked difference between being assistant and being manager/head coach. I can’t see WBA risking him as they took a punt on Steve Clark in his 1st Managerial having always run as a good number 2 previously. It didn’t work. Mclaren struggled for ages after having been in the shadow of Ferguson. Brian Kidd never made it as a head man. Steve Kean the same. I wonder if Oscar was not trusted well enough at Brighton to give him much money to spend. Burke gets the players but it is based on ones that the Manager/Head Coach comes up with and from the interview with Tony Bloom he came up with a list of players who were simply not available. Alternatives were found but I cannot imagine he was thrilled with Obika and too, may be the others were not his ideal choices. With Dale Stephens they probably showed him his one wow goal at Charlton and said he plays like that every week!! Sure fire thing is to get someone decent then they will cost and they will want a decent budget. Clement has been spoiled at PSG and RM and would have had no influence over player imports. Sherwood is different and he would be my choice as he has those vital ingredients, charisma and ability to motivate, viz Adebeyor, who was down and out at the club under AVB. namgo49
  • Score: 3

2:54pm Sun 25 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

No matter who gets the job one thing is for certain, players arriving on extended loan deals, will play a big part in our season, much as Ward did during our last one and Bridge before him. For this reason I think it safe to assume that our new manager will have to have some contacts and, be considered the right guy to take charge of other teams players, if those players are up and coming younger ones.

Our shopping list is horrendous when laid against what we think will be a tight budget, or reasonably tight, and there in lies the big challenge. Who among the applicants, or targets, has the best chance of landing the right players on loan. Could Clement look to Real to help us out, or maybe any other previous club he has worked for, would he be able to approach other spanish clubs. Would Hughton, not that far removed from prem action, be better placed to borrow from english clubs, and I don't see any players moving down from Scotland to the south coast.

Players going out on loan are usually sent out for two reasons, either they are young and their parent club want them to get some experience thru getting playing time, or they are older and on good wages and the parent club want to cut their costs. No matter what the reason, the loan deals we enter into have to be right and nothing like one or two of those we had last season. Who, of the bookies favs to land the job at Brighton, do you think is best placed to pick up the right players for season long loan deals, we probably need three such players?
No matter who gets the job one thing is for certain, players arriving on extended loan deals, will play a big part in our season, much as Ward did during our last one and Bridge before him. For this reason I think it safe to assume that our new manager will have to have some contacts and, be considered the right guy to take charge of other teams players, if those players are up and coming younger ones. Our shopping list is horrendous when laid against what we think will be a tight budget, or reasonably tight, and there in lies the big challenge. Who among the applicants, or targets, has the best chance of landing the right players on loan. Could Clement look to Real to help us out, or maybe any other previous club he has worked for, would he be able to approach other spanish clubs. Would Hughton, not that far removed from prem action, be better placed to borrow from english clubs, and I don't see any players moving down from Scotland to the south coast. Players going out on loan are usually sent out for two reasons, either they are young and their parent club want them to get some experience thru getting playing time, or they are older and on good wages and the parent club want to cut their costs. No matter what the reason, the loan deals we enter into have to be right and nothing like one or two of those we had last season. Who, of the bookies favs to land the job at Brighton, do you think is best placed to pick up the right players for season long loan deals, we probably need three such players? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

3:43pm Sun 25 May 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

How about Russel Slade,he has taken Orient as far as they can go.

If a lot of posters are having a laugh,so can I.
How about Russel Slade,he has taken Orient as far as they can go. If a lot of posters are having a laugh,so can I. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 2

4:07pm Sun 25 May 14

fratsomrover says...

Wishful thinking I feel !!
Moving from European Champions to BHA in the Championship might seem odd on his CV.
It would be nice to have him and something of a coup. A bit like when we got Brian Clough, but I reckon if he wants to Manage, he will get better offers than we can afford.
As for Tony Mowbray !!!! No thanks, he's a dinosaur with as much flair as a wet flannel.
Still it would be nice to appoint someone in the next week or so and I hope it happens.
Still cant believe QPR won yesterday. It will be a test case for FFP to see what sanctions they will suffer. I fear it will be very little as the Football League have absolutely no juristriction over The Premier League and wont even be able to enforce any fine they might impose.
For me FFP will only work if it prevents clubs who fail it from getting promoted and/or imposes a large points deduction for the next season.
From what they say about the financial awards from yesterday's victory, even a £50m fine would be more than covered from the benefits they will gain from being in the Prem.
I feel gutted for Derby too. They were far more deserving of promotion.
Wishful thinking I feel !! Moving from European Champions to BHA in the Championship might seem odd on his CV. It would be nice to have him and something of a coup. A bit like when we got Brian Clough, but I reckon if he wants to Manage, he will get better offers than we can afford. As for Tony Mowbray !!!! No thanks, he's a dinosaur with as much flair as a wet flannel. Still it would be nice to appoint someone in the next week or so and I hope it happens. Still cant believe QPR won yesterday. It will be a test case for FFP to see what sanctions they will suffer. I fear it will be very little as the Football League have absolutely no juristriction over The Premier League and wont even be able to enforce any fine they might impose. For me FFP will only work if it prevents clubs who fail it from getting promoted and/or imposes a large points deduction for the next season. From what they say about the financial awards from yesterday's victory, even a £50m fine would be more than covered from the benefits they will gain from being in the Prem. I feel gutted for Derby too. They were far more deserving of promotion. fratsomrover
  • Score: 6

4:17pm Sun 25 May 14

rolivan says...

fratsomrover wrote:
Wishful thinking I feel !!
Moving from European Champions to BHA in the Championship might seem odd on his CV.
It would be nice to have him and something of a coup. A bit like when we got Brian Clough, but I reckon if he wants to Manage, he will get better offers than we can afford.
As for Tony Mowbray !!!! No thanks, he's a dinosaur with as much flair as a wet flannel.
Still it would be nice to appoint someone in the next week or so and I hope it happens.
Still cant believe QPR won yesterday. It will be a test case for FFP to see what sanctions they will suffer. I fear it will be very little as the Football League have absolutely no juristriction over The Premier League and wont even be able to enforce any fine they might impose.
For me FFP will only work if it prevents clubs who fail it from getting promoted and/or imposes a large points deduction for the next season.
From what they say about the financial awards from yesterday's victory, even a £50m fine would be more than covered from the benefits they will gain from being in the Prem.
I feel gutted for Derby too. They were far more deserving of promotion.
So where does the Football Association fit into this surely they have control Overall?
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: Wishful thinking I feel !! Moving from European Champions to BHA in the Championship might seem odd on his CV. It would be nice to have him and something of a coup. A bit like when we got Brian Clough, but I reckon if he wants to Manage, he will get better offers than we can afford. As for Tony Mowbray !!!! No thanks, he's a dinosaur with as much flair as a wet flannel. Still it would be nice to appoint someone in the next week or so and I hope it happens. Still cant believe QPR won yesterday. It will be a test case for FFP to see what sanctions they will suffer. I fear it will be very little as the Football League have absolutely no juristriction over The Premier League and wont even be able to enforce any fine they might impose. For me FFP will only work if it prevents clubs who fail it from getting promoted and/or imposes a large points deduction for the next season. From what they say about the financial awards from yesterday's victory, even a £50m fine would be more than covered from the benefits they will gain from being in the Prem. I feel gutted for Derby too. They were far more deserving of promotion.[/p][/quote]So where does the Football Association fit into this surely they have control Overall? rolivan
  • Score: 1

4:26pm Sun 25 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

fratsomrover wrote:
Wishful thinking I feel !!
Moving from European Champions to BHA in the Championship might seem odd on his CV.
It would be nice to have him and something of a coup. A bit like when we got Brian Clough, but I reckon if he wants to Manage, he will get better offers than we can afford.
As for Tony Mowbray !!!! No thanks, he's a dinosaur with as much flair as a wet flannel.
Still it would be nice to appoint someone in the next week or so and I hope it happens.
Still cant believe QPR won yesterday. It will be a test case for FFP to see what sanctions they will suffer. I fear it will be very little as the Football League have absolutely no juristriction over The Premier League and wont even be able to enforce any fine they might impose.
For me FFP will only work if it prevents clubs who fail it from getting promoted and/or imposes a large points deduction for the next season.
From what they say about the financial awards from yesterday's victory, even a £50m fine would be more than covered from the benefits they will gain from being in the Prem.
I feel gutted for Derby too. They were far more deserving of promotion.
As of right now his CV shows zero with regards to management experience so, any managerial appointment would be a plus. Brighton might be seen as small fry when it comes to the prem clubs but that might not be a just view.
Making the play-offs two years in a row is no mean feat, and our crowd numbers suggest that if we make the prem, then bigger sponsors would be attracted.
We have another season ahead of us with challenges today to be ready, but how we come thru those challenges will point to our stature of being a well run and ambitious club. Who in our division, or among the bottom half of the prem div, have invested more in building their infrastructure, who among the same clubs have such exspansive plans for yet more to come, no one. You don't become a club that can survive in the prem div without having prem div facilities and a solid financial grounding.

A forward thinking manager will find what we have today worthy, and what is to come exciting, his task will be to build a squad that mirrors what the infrastructure huints at.
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: Wishful thinking I feel !! Moving from European Champions to BHA in the Championship might seem odd on his CV. It would be nice to have him and something of a coup. A bit like when we got Brian Clough, but I reckon if he wants to Manage, he will get better offers than we can afford. As for Tony Mowbray !!!! No thanks, he's a dinosaur with as much flair as a wet flannel. Still it would be nice to appoint someone in the next week or so and I hope it happens. Still cant believe QPR won yesterday. It will be a test case for FFP to see what sanctions they will suffer. I fear it will be very little as the Football League have absolutely no juristriction over The Premier League and wont even be able to enforce any fine they might impose. For me FFP will only work if it prevents clubs who fail it from getting promoted and/or imposes a large points deduction for the next season. From what they say about the financial awards from yesterday's victory, even a £50m fine would be more than covered from the benefits they will gain from being in the Prem. I feel gutted for Derby too. They were far more deserving of promotion.[/p][/quote]As of right now his CV shows zero with regards to management experience so, any managerial appointment would be a plus. Brighton might be seen as small fry when it comes to the prem clubs but that might not be a just view. Making the play-offs two years in a row is no mean feat, and our crowd numbers suggest that if we make the prem, then bigger sponsors would be attracted. We have another season ahead of us with challenges today to be ready, but how we come thru those challenges will point to our stature of being a well run and ambitious club. Who in our division, or among the bottom half of the prem div, have invested more in building their infrastructure, who among the same clubs have such exspansive plans for yet more to come, no one. You don't become a club that can survive in the prem div without having prem div facilities and a solid financial grounding. A forward thinking manager will find what we have today worthy, and what is to come exciting, his task will be to build a squad that mirrors what the infrastructure huints at. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

4:28pm Sun 25 May 14

fratsomrover says...

What is it about these play-offs ??
After ZAMORA scoring the winner yesterday, both former players Cox and Alex Revell have scored today.
Revells second goal was a stunner.
What is it about these play-offs ?? After ZAMORA scoring the winner yesterday, both former players Cox and Alex Revell have scored today. Revells second goal was a stunner. fratsomrover
  • Score: 7

4:29pm Sun 25 May 14

ringtone says...

I would hate to burst the Dunk bubble but maybe Steve Evans might get the best out of him and the other freeloaders.
I would hate to burst the Dunk bubble but maybe Steve Evans might get the best out of him and the other freeloaders. ringtone
  • Score: -6

4:34pm Sun 25 May 14

Merdalf the Wizard says...

I thought (and I may be wrong, wouldn't be the first time) FFP was rolled out across all leagues, hence the sanctions against Barcelona and Man City!
Please excuse my ignorance if I am.
UTA
I thought (and I may be wrong, wouldn't be the first time) FFP was rolled out across all leagues, hence the sanctions against Barcelona and Man City! Please excuse my ignorance if I am. UTA Merdalf the Wizard
  • Score: 2

4:46pm Sun 25 May 14

fratsomrover says...

Well we might not have the play-offs but our ex-players are certainly making a name for themselves.
Not only did Bobby Zamora score the winner yesterday, Dean Cox put Leyton Orient 2 up today only for Alex Revell to score two in reply for Rotherham.
Revell's second was a stunning 30yd volley.
I always liked him when he was here and it's good to see him having his moment of glory at Wembley.
Well we might not have the play-offs but our ex-players are certainly making a name for themselves. Not only did Bobby Zamora score the winner yesterday, Dean Cox put Leyton Orient 2 up today only for Alex Revell to score two in reply for Rotherham. Revell's second was a stunning 30yd volley. I always liked him when he was here and it's good to see him having his moment of glory at Wembley. fratsomrover
  • Score: 7

5:06pm Sun 25 May 14

Bill in Hanover says...

OldGull wrote:
What can the club announce?
We are looking for a new manager but haven't found one yet?

Just be patient everyone.
TB will find the right man
3rd time lucky
I understood that Sherwood was 'the right man' and was due to sign up, then Hughton, now some Spaniard no one has heard of is in the frame, no doubt the post will be up on the boards at the Job Centre soon enough in the hope of siigning someone who will toe the line, not spend any money and not complain when the best players are let go. p.s 3rd time lucky is a myth, if the first 2 don't pan out subsequent appointments rarely work out
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: What can the club announce? We are looking for a new manager but haven't found one yet? Just be patient everyone. TB will find the right man 3rd time lucky[/p][/quote]I understood that Sherwood was 'the right man' and was due to sign up, then Hughton, now some Spaniard no one has heard of is in the frame, no doubt the post will be up on the boards at the Job Centre soon enough in the hope of siigning someone who will toe the line, not spend any money and not complain when the best players are let go. p.s 3rd time lucky is a myth, if the first 2 don't pan out subsequent appointments rarely work out Bill in Hanover
  • Score: -9

5:13pm Sun 25 May 14

fratsomrover says...

rolivan wrote:
fratsomrover wrote:
Wishful thinking I feel !!
Moving from European Champions to BHA in the Championship might seem odd on his CV.
It would be nice to have him and something of a coup. A bit like when we got Brian Clough, but I reckon if he wants to Manage, he will get better offers than we can afford.
As for Tony Mowbray !!!! No thanks, he's a dinosaur with as much flair as a wet flannel.
Still it would be nice to appoint someone in the next week or so and I hope it happens.
Still cant believe QPR won yesterday. It will be a test case for FFP to see what sanctions they will suffer. I fear it will be very little as the Football League have absolutely no juristriction over The Premier League and wont even be able to enforce any fine they might impose.
For me FFP will only work if it prevents clubs who fail it from getting promoted and/or imposes a large points deduction for the next season.
From what they say about the financial awards from yesterday's victory, even a £50m fine would be more than covered from the benefits they will gain from being in the Prem.
I feel gutted for Derby too. They were far more deserving of promotion.
So where does the Football Association fit into this surely they have control Overall?
To help explain Rolivan, I found the following.
According to the 2012-13 accounts QPR Holdings Limited posted losses of £65.4m, and with a wage bill of £68m, it is not hard to envisage another hefty deficit this year.
A club is allowed to lose up to £8m without sanction.
Above that level, there is a sliding scale on the next £10m of losses, with a maximum fine of £6.681m.
Once losses exceed £18m, the fine is imposed on a strict pound-for-pound basis.
So, should there be an overall loss of £30m, the Football League would fine QPR almost £19m. If it was £50m, the figure would be nearly £39m and if QPR were to match last year's loss, their fine would be almost £54m.
Had QPR remained in the Football League, they would have faced a transfer embargo until such time as they could "demonstrate they were on track to record acceptable losses or profit".
However, having secured promotion to the Premier League, they will only be subject to a fine.
However, The Premier League has previously told the Football League it would have no involvement in retrieving the money, considering the matter to be none of its business.
Therefore, it would not withhold any television cash from the Hoops, forcing the Football League to actively pursue QPR for any financial penalty.
Therefore It creates an added level of complexity as to whether or not one association or organisation can fine a member of another.
Also, for some peculiar reason any fine levied by The Football League would go to charity instead of being distributed amongst other Football League clubs.
Thus a team like Derby County, who have operated within the regulations posting losses of £7.1m may have more than yesterday's result to feel aggrieved about.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: Wishful thinking I feel !! Moving from European Champions to BHA in the Championship might seem odd on his CV. It would be nice to have him and something of a coup. A bit like when we got Brian Clough, but I reckon if he wants to Manage, he will get better offers than we can afford. As for Tony Mowbray !!!! No thanks, he's a dinosaur with as much flair as a wet flannel. Still it would be nice to appoint someone in the next week or so and I hope it happens. Still cant believe QPR won yesterday. It will be a test case for FFP to see what sanctions they will suffer. I fear it will be very little as the Football League have absolutely no juristriction over The Premier League and wont even be able to enforce any fine they might impose. For me FFP will only work if it prevents clubs who fail it from getting promoted and/or imposes a large points deduction for the next season. From what they say about the financial awards from yesterday's victory, even a £50m fine would be more than covered from the benefits they will gain from being in the Prem. I feel gutted for Derby too. They were far more deserving of promotion.[/p][/quote]So where does the Football Association fit into this surely they have control Overall?[/p][/quote]To help explain Rolivan, I found the following. According to the 2012-13 accounts QPR Holdings Limited posted losses of £65.4m, and with a wage bill of £68m, it is not hard to envisage another hefty deficit this year. A club is allowed to lose up to £8m without sanction. Above that level, there is a sliding scale on the next £10m of losses, with a maximum fine of £6.681m. Once losses exceed £18m, the fine is imposed on a strict pound-for-pound basis. So, should there be an overall loss of £30m, the Football League would fine QPR almost £19m. If it was £50m, the figure would be nearly £39m and if QPR were to match last year's loss, their fine would be almost £54m. Had QPR remained in the Football League, they would have faced a transfer embargo until such time as they could "demonstrate they were on track to record acceptable losses or profit". However, having secured promotion to the Premier League, they will only be subject to a fine. However, The Premier League has previously told the Football League it would have no involvement in retrieving the money, considering the matter to be none of its business. Therefore, it would not withhold any television cash from the Hoops, forcing the Football League to actively pursue QPR for any financial penalty. Therefore It creates an added level of complexity as to whether or not one association or organisation can fine a member of another. Also, for some peculiar reason any fine levied by The Football League would go to charity instead of being distributed amongst other Football League clubs. Thus a team like Derby County, who have operated within the regulations posting losses of £7.1m may have more than yesterday's result to feel aggrieved about. fratsomrover
  • Score: 10

5:23pm Sun 25 May 14

ringtone says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
OldGull wrote:
What can the club announce?
We are looking for a new manager but haven't found one yet?

Just be patient everyone.
TB will find the right man
3rd time lucky
I understood that Sherwood was 'the right man' and was due to sign up, then Hughton, now some Spaniard no one has heard of is in the frame, no doubt the post will be up on the boards at the Job Centre soon enough in the hope of siigning someone who will toe the line, not spend any money and not complain when the best players are let go. p.s 3rd time lucky is a myth, if the first 2 don't pan out subsequent appointments rarely work out
Quite right mate.

Crowds down to 15.000 next year, i can tell about two on here that never go.

UTA
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: What can the club announce? We are looking for a new manager but haven't found one yet? Just be patient everyone. TB will find the right man 3rd time lucky[/p][/quote]I understood that Sherwood was 'the right man' and was due to sign up, then Hughton, now some Spaniard no one has heard of is in the frame, no doubt the post will be up on the boards at the Job Centre soon enough in the hope of siigning someone who will toe the line, not spend any money and not complain when the best players are let go. p.s 3rd time lucky is a myth, if the first 2 don't pan out subsequent appointments rarely work out[/p][/quote]Quite right mate. Crowds down to 15.000 next year, i can tell about two on here that never go. UTA ringtone
  • Score: -10

5:30pm Sun 25 May 14

rolivan says...

fratsomrover wrote:
rolivan wrote:
fratsomrover wrote:
Wishful thinking I feel !!
Moving from European Champions to BHA in the Championship might seem odd on his CV.
It would be nice to have him and something of a coup. A bit like when we got Brian Clough, but I reckon if he wants to Manage, he will get better offers than we can afford.
As for Tony Mowbray !!!! No thanks, he's a dinosaur with as much flair as a wet flannel.
Still it would be nice to appoint someone in the next week or so and I hope it happens.
Still cant believe QPR won yesterday. It will be a test case for FFP to see what sanctions they will suffer. I fear it will be very little as the Football League have absolutely no juristriction over The Premier League and wont even be able to enforce any fine they might impose.
For me FFP will only work if it prevents clubs who fail it from getting promoted and/or imposes a large points deduction for the next season.
From what they say about the financial awards from yesterday's victory, even a £50m fine would be more than covered from the benefits they will gain from being in the Prem.
I feel gutted for Derby too. They were far more deserving of promotion.
So where does the Football Association fit into this surely they have control Overall?
To help explain Rolivan, I found the following.
According to the 2012-13 accounts QPR Holdings Limited posted losses of £65.4m, and with a wage bill of £68m, it is not hard to envisage another hefty deficit this year.
A club is allowed to lose up to £8m without sanction.
Above that level, there is a sliding scale on the next £10m of losses, with a maximum fine of £6.681m.
Once losses exceed £18m, the fine is imposed on a strict pound-for-pound basis.
So, should there be an overall loss of £30m, the Football League would fine QPR almost £19m. If it was £50m, the figure would be nearly £39m and if QPR were to match last year's loss, their fine would be almost £54m.
Had QPR remained in the Football League, they would have faced a transfer embargo until such time as they could "demonstrate they were on track to record acceptable losses or profit".
However, having secured promotion to the Premier League, they will only be subject to a fine.
However, The Premier League has previously told the Football League it would have no involvement in retrieving the money, considering the matter to be none of its business.
Therefore, it would not withhold any television cash from the Hoops, forcing the Football League to actively pursue QPR for any financial penalty.
Therefore It creates an added level of complexity as to whether or not one association or organisation can fine a member of another.
Also, for some peculiar reason any fine levied by The Football League would go to charity instead of being distributed amongst other Football League clubs.
Thus a team like Derby County, who have operated within the regulations posting losses of £7.1m may have more than yesterday's result to feel aggrieved about.
Yes I have read that also,that is why I made the comment about the Football Association having overall control of the Leagues as they control the rules and regs of the Game throughout all Leagues in England.
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: Wishful thinking I feel !! Moving from European Champions to BHA in the Championship might seem odd on his CV. It would be nice to have him and something of a coup. A bit like when we got Brian Clough, but I reckon if he wants to Manage, he will get better offers than we can afford. As for Tony Mowbray !!!! No thanks, he's a dinosaur with as much flair as a wet flannel. Still it would be nice to appoint someone in the next week or so and I hope it happens. Still cant believe QPR won yesterday. It will be a test case for FFP to see what sanctions they will suffer. I fear it will be very little as the Football League have absolutely no juristriction over The Premier League and wont even be able to enforce any fine they might impose. For me FFP will only work if it prevents clubs who fail it from getting promoted and/or imposes a large points deduction for the next season. From what they say about the financial awards from yesterday's victory, even a £50m fine would be more than covered from the benefits they will gain from being in the Prem. I feel gutted for Derby too. They were far more deserving of promotion.[/p][/quote]So where does the Football Association fit into this surely they have control Overall?[/p][/quote]To help explain Rolivan, I found the following. According to the 2012-13 accounts QPR Holdings Limited posted losses of £65.4m, and with a wage bill of £68m, it is not hard to envisage another hefty deficit this year. A club is allowed to lose up to £8m without sanction. Above that level, there is a sliding scale on the next £10m of losses, with a maximum fine of £6.681m. Once losses exceed £18m, the fine is imposed on a strict pound-for-pound basis. So, should there be an overall loss of £30m, the Football League would fine QPR almost £19m. If it was £50m, the figure would be nearly £39m and if QPR were to match last year's loss, their fine would be almost £54m. Had QPR remained in the Football League, they would have faced a transfer embargo until such time as they could "demonstrate they were on track to record acceptable losses or profit". However, having secured promotion to the Premier League, they will only be subject to a fine. However, The Premier League has previously told the Football League it would have no involvement in retrieving the money, considering the matter to be none of its business. Therefore, it would not withhold any television cash from the Hoops, forcing the Football League to actively pursue QPR for any financial penalty. Therefore It creates an added level of complexity as to whether or not one association or organisation can fine a member of another. Also, for some peculiar reason any fine levied by The Football League would go to charity instead of being distributed amongst other Football League clubs. Thus a team like Derby County, who have operated within the regulations posting losses of £7.1m may have more than yesterday's result to feel aggrieved about.[/p][/quote]Yes I have read that also,that is why I made the comment about the Football Association having overall control of the Leagues as they control the rules and regs of the Game throughout all Leagues in England. rolivan
  • Score: 2

5:30pm Sun 25 May 14

ballantrrae says...

Frankie Moonshine wrote:
I hate to be a negative Nancy but if it's a straight toss up between us and WBA then we've got no chance. Premier League club with Premier League money.

I do like the idea of this appointment but I'm not going to get too excited when there are other clubs interested.
Appointing Clement would be the same type of imaginative one that TB has made previously with Poyet and Oscar. I hope we get one of Sherwood, Clement , Lennon or Mackay. Not so keen on Hughton or Mowbray but I wouldn't discount someone like Clarke or Hyypia. Whoever we appoint I am sure we will all get behind them. UTA.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Moonshine[/bold] wrote: I hate to be a negative Nancy but if it's a straight toss up between us and WBA then we've got no chance. Premier League club with Premier League money. I do like the idea of this appointment but I'm not going to get too excited when there are other clubs interested.[/p][/quote]Appointing Clement would be the same type of imaginative one that TB has made previously with Poyet and Oscar. I hope we get one of Sherwood, Clement , Lennon or Mackay. Not so keen on Hughton or Mowbray but I wouldn't discount someone like Clarke or Hyypia. Whoever we appoint I am sure we will all get behind them. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

5:40pm Sun 25 May 14

Merdalf the Wizard says...

fratsomrover wrote:
rolivan wrote:
fratsomrover wrote:
Wishful thinking I feel !!
Moving from European Champions to BHA in the Championship might seem odd on his CV.
It would be nice to have him and something of a coup. A bit like when we got Brian Clough, but I reckon if he wants to Manage, he will get better offers than we can afford.
As for Tony Mowbray !!!! No thanks, he's a dinosaur with as much flair as a wet flannel.
Still it would be nice to appoint someone in the next week or so and I hope it happens.
Still cant believe QPR won yesterday. It will be a test case for FFP to see what sanctions they will suffer. I fear it will be very little as the Football League have absolutely no juristriction over The Premier League and wont even be able to enforce any fine they might impose.
For me FFP will only work if it prevents clubs who fail it from getting promoted and/or imposes a large points deduction for the next season.
From what they say about the financial awards from yesterday's victory, even a £50m fine would be more than covered from the benefits they will gain from being in the Prem.
I feel gutted for Derby too. They were far more deserving of promotion.
So where does the Football Association fit into this surely they have control Overall?
To help explain Rolivan, I found the following.
According to the 2012-13 accounts QPR Holdings Limited posted losses of £65.4m, and with a wage bill of £68m, it is not hard to envisage another hefty deficit this year.
A club is allowed to lose up to £8m without sanction.
Above that level, there is a sliding scale on the next £10m of losses, with a maximum fine of £6.681m.
Once losses exceed £18m, the fine is imposed on a strict pound-for-pound basis.
So, should there be an overall loss of £30m, the Football League would fine QPR almost £19m. If it was £50m, the figure would be nearly £39m and if QPR were to match last year's loss, their fine would be almost £54m.
Had QPR remained in the Football League, they would have faced a transfer embargo until such time as they could "demonstrate they were on track to record acceptable losses or profit".
However, having secured promotion to the Premier League, they will only be subject to a fine.
However, The Premier League has previously told the Football League it would have no involvement in retrieving the money, considering the matter to be none of its business.
Therefore, it would not withhold any television cash from the Hoops, forcing the Football League to actively pursue QPR for any financial penalty.
Therefore It creates an added level of complexity as to whether or not one association or organisation can fine a member of another.
Also, for some peculiar reason any fine levied by The Football League would go to charity instead of being distributed amongst other Football League clubs.
Thus a team like Derby County, who have operated within the regulations posting losses of £7.1m may have more than yesterday's result to feel aggrieved about.
I have read further in an effort to understand lol, bearing in mind QPR have now been promoted, from what I gather, if they wish to compete in Champion league or Europa cup, they would have to register and would then become liable under UEFA FFP rules, would not any fines imposed by the league have to be taken into consideration by the European governing body?
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: Wishful thinking I feel !! Moving from European Champions to BHA in the Championship might seem odd on his CV. It would be nice to have him and something of a coup. A bit like when we got Brian Clough, but I reckon if he wants to Manage, he will get better offers than we can afford. As for Tony Mowbray !!!! No thanks, he's a dinosaur with as much flair as a wet flannel. Still it would be nice to appoint someone in the next week or so and I hope it happens. Still cant believe QPR won yesterday. It will be a test case for FFP to see what sanctions they will suffer. I fear it will be very little as the Football League have absolutely no juristriction over The Premier League and wont even be able to enforce any fine they might impose. For me FFP will only work if it prevents clubs who fail it from getting promoted and/or imposes a large points deduction for the next season. From what they say about the financial awards from yesterday's victory, even a £50m fine would be more than covered from the benefits they will gain from being in the Prem. I feel gutted for Derby too. They were far more deserving of promotion.[/p][/quote]So where does the Football Association fit into this surely they have control Overall?[/p][/quote]To help explain Rolivan, I found the following. According to the 2012-13 accounts QPR Holdings Limited posted losses of £65.4m, and with a wage bill of £68m, it is not hard to envisage another hefty deficit this year. A club is allowed to lose up to £8m without sanction. Above that level, there is a sliding scale on the next £10m of losses, with a maximum fine of £6.681m. Once losses exceed £18m, the fine is imposed on a strict pound-for-pound basis. So, should there be an overall loss of £30m, the Football League would fine QPR almost £19m. If it was £50m, the figure would be nearly £39m and if QPR were to match last year's loss, their fine would be almost £54m. Had QPR remained in the Football League, they would have faced a transfer embargo until such time as they could "demonstrate they were on track to record acceptable losses or profit". However, having secured promotion to the Premier League, they will only be subject to a fine. However, The Premier League has previously told the Football League it would have no involvement in retrieving the money, considering the matter to be none of its business. Therefore, it would not withhold any television cash from the Hoops, forcing the Football League to actively pursue QPR for any financial penalty. Therefore It creates an added level of complexity as to whether or not one association or organisation can fine a member of another. Also, for some peculiar reason any fine levied by The Football League would go to charity instead of being distributed amongst other Football League clubs. Thus a team like Derby County, who have operated within the regulations posting losses of £7.1m may have more than yesterday's result to feel aggrieved about.[/p][/quote]I have read further in an effort to understand lol, bearing in mind QPR have now been promoted, from what I gather, if they wish to compete in Champion league or Europa cup, they would have to register and would then become liable under UEFA FFP rules, would not any fines imposed by the league have to be taken into consideration by the European governing body? Merdalf the Wizard
  • Score: 3

5:53pm Sun 25 May 14

ringtone says...

Typical that the team with one less ex brighton player would get over the line first.

Rotherham away on a tuesday night in february, here we come.

UTA
Typical that the team with one less ex brighton player would get over the line first. Rotherham away on a tuesday night in february, here we come. UTA ringtone
  • Score: -3

6:05pm Sun 25 May 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

Watching last nights final I was hoping we might make a cheeky move for Diego Simeone or Ancelotti as both might fancy a new project now, still this Clement might do. Mowbray is an interesting one, think Hughton would be better though.
Watching last nights final I was hoping we might make a cheeky move for Diego Simeone or Ancelotti as both might fancy a new project now, still this Clement might do. Mowbray is an interesting one, think Hughton would be better though. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: -3

6:06pm Sun 25 May 14

Asleep in Dorset says...

give Russell Slade a ring, Tony !!
give Russell Slade a ring, Tony !! Asleep in Dorset
  • Score: 1

6:07pm Sun 25 May 14

gordongull says...

Merdalf the Wizard wrote:
I thought (and I may be wrong, wouldn't be the first time) FFP was rolled out across all leagues, hence the sanctions against Barcelona and Man City!
Please excuse my ignorance if I am.
UTA
UEFA's FFP rules only apply to clubs who wish to compete in the Champions League or the Europa League. Clubs have to apply to UEFA to take part and will only get a license if they meet the FFP rules.
The Premier League and the Championship each have their own version of the rules, and there is no connection between the two.
The Championship FFP rules were voted in by 21 of the 24 Clubs.
Divisions one and two have an FFP system called Salary Cost Management Protocol, (SCMP).
The rules for the Championship aren't carved in stone. There were proposals recently to make some changes, But they failed to gain the 75% vote needed to implement them.
[quote][p][bold]Merdalf the Wizard[/bold] wrote: I thought (and I may be wrong, wouldn't be the first time) FFP was rolled out across all leagues, hence the sanctions against Barcelona and Man City! Please excuse my ignorance if I am. UTA[/p][/quote]UEFA's FFP rules only apply to clubs who wish to compete in the Champions League or the Europa League. Clubs have to apply to UEFA to take part and will only get a license if they meet the FFP rules. The Premier League and the Championship each have their own version of the rules, and there is no connection between the two. The Championship FFP rules were voted in by 21 of the 24 Clubs. Divisions one and two have an FFP system called Salary Cost Management Protocol, (SCMP). The rules for the Championship aren't carved in stone. There were proposals recently to make some changes, But they failed to gain the 75% vote needed to implement them. gordongull
  • Score: 1

6:27pm Sun 25 May 14

ringtone says...

gordongull wrote:
Merdalf the Wizard wrote:
I thought (and I may be wrong, wouldn't be the first time) FFP was rolled out across all leagues, hence the sanctions against Barcelona and Man City!
Please excuse my ignorance if I am.
UTA
UEFA's FFP rules only apply to clubs who wish to compete in the Champions League or the Europa League. Clubs have to apply to UEFA to take part and will only get a license if they meet the FFP rules.
The Premier League and the Championship each have their own version of the rules, and there is no connection between the two.
The Championship FFP rules were voted in by 21 of the 24 Clubs.
Divisions one and two have an FFP system called Salary Cost Management Protocol, (SCMP).
The rules for the Championship aren't carved in stone. There were proposals recently to make some changes, But they failed to gain the 75% vote needed to implement them.
Interesting stuff gordongull.No thats really intersting, not an excuse for taxidermy.

I think Royal (with cheese, ronaldo macdonald) Madrid have not had enough of a verbal kicking for winning the CL, which in effect they bought, fees for modric,ronaldo, bale and others far exceeding all other teams.

Expecting the usual thumbs down from our resident spanish armarda.

Lets see if i can reach La Decimalisation the dreaded -10.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Merdalf the Wizard[/bold] wrote: I thought (and I may be wrong, wouldn't be the first time) FFP was rolled out across all leagues, hence the sanctions against Barcelona and Man City! Please excuse my ignorance if I am. UTA[/p][/quote]UEFA's FFP rules only apply to clubs who wish to compete in the Champions League or the Europa League. Clubs have to apply to UEFA to take part and will only get a license if they meet the FFP rules. The Premier League and the Championship each have their own version of the rules, and there is no connection between the two. The Championship FFP rules were voted in by 21 of the 24 Clubs. Divisions one and two have an FFP system called Salary Cost Management Protocol, (SCMP). The rules for the Championship aren't carved in stone. There were proposals recently to make some changes, But they failed to gain the 75% vote needed to implement them.[/p][/quote]Interesting stuff gordongull.No thats really intersting, not an excuse for taxidermy. I think Royal (with cheese, ronaldo macdonald) Madrid have not had enough of a verbal kicking for winning the CL, which in effect they bought, fees for modric,ronaldo, bale and others far exceeding all other teams. Expecting the usual thumbs down from our resident spanish armarda. Lets see if i can reach La Decimalisation the dreaded -10. ringtone
  • Score: 2

6:30pm Sun 25 May 14

ringtone says...

Asleep in Dorset wrote:
give Russell Slade a ring, Tony !!
Mine or Yours.
[quote][p][bold]Asleep in Dorset[/bold] wrote: give Russell Slade a ring, Tony !![/p][/quote]Mine or Yours. ringtone
  • Score: 4

6:31pm Sun 25 May 14

OldGull says...

ringtone wrote:
Bill in Hanover wrote:
OldGull wrote:
What can the club announce?
We are looking for a new manager but haven't found one yet?

Just be patient everyone.
TB will find the right man
3rd time lucky
I understood that Sherwood was 'the right man' and was due to sign up, then Hughton, now some Spaniard no one has heard of is in the frame, no doubt the post will be up on the boards at the Job Centre soon enough in the hope of siigning someone who will toe the line, not spend any money and not complain when the best players are let go. p.s 3rd time lucky is a myth, if the first 2 don't pan out subsequent appointments rarely work out
Quite right mate.

Crowds down to 15.000 next year, i can tell about two on here that never go.

UTA
Well I am a season ticket holder. I know you reckon it doesn't count because I pay by direct debit.
The club say season ticket sales are over 20,000 so I think your predictions are somewhat pessimistic.
I am quite happy to differ in opinion with you, my glass remains half full.
As I have previously stated, I would rather be a happy fool than a depressed pessimist.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: What can the club announce? We are looking for a new manager but haven't found one yet? Just be patient everyone. TB will find the right man 3rd time lucky[/p][/quote]I understood that Sherwood was 'the right man' and was due to sign up, then Hughton, now some Spaniard no one has heard of is in the frame, no doubt the post will be up on the boards at the Job Centre soon enough in the hope of siigning someone who will toe the line, not spend any money and not complain when the best players are let go. p.s 3rd time lucky is a myth, if the first 2 don't pan out subsequent appointments rarely work out[/p][/quote]Quite right mate. Crowds down to 15.000 next year, i can tell about two on here that never go. UTA[/p][/quote]Well I am a season ticket holder. I know you reckon it doesn't count because I pay by direct debit. The club say season ticket sales are over 20,000 so I think your predictions are somewhat pessimistic. I am quite happy to differ in opinion with you, my glass remains half full. As I have previously stated, I would rather be a happy fool than a depressed pessimist. UTA OldGull
  • Score: 1

6:38pm Sun 25 May 14

ringtone says...

OldGull wrote:
ringtone wrote:
Bill in Hanover wrote:
OldGull wrote:
What can the club announce?
We are looking for a new manager but haven't found one yet?

Just be patient everyone.
TB will find the right man
3rd time lucky
I understood that Sherwood was 'the right man' and was due to sign up, then Hughton, now some Spaniard no one has heard of is in the frame, no doubt the post will be up on the boards at the Job Centre soon enough in the hope of siigning someone who will toe the line, not spend any money and not complain when the best players are let go. p.s 3rd time lucky is a myth, if the first 2 don't pan out subsequent appointments rarely work out
Quite right mate.

Crowds down to 15.000 next year, i can tell about two on here that never go.

UTA
Well I am a season ticket holder. I know you reckon it doesn't count because I pay by direct debit.
The club say season ticket sales are over 20,000 so I think your predictions are somewhat pessimistic.
I am quite happy to differ in opinion with you, my glass remains half full.
As I have previously stated, I would rather be a happy fool than a depressed pessimist.
UTA
Okay you got me.

Just trying to have a bit of fun.

Still stand by my direct debit theory.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: What can the club announce? We are looking for a new manager but haven't found one yet? Just be patient everyone. TB will find the right man 3rd time lucky[/p][/quote]I understood that Sherwood was 'the right man' and was due to sign up, then Hughton, now some Spaniard no one has heard of is in the frame, no doubt the post will be up on the boards at the Job Centre soon enough in the hope of siigning someone who will toe the line, not spend any money and not complain when the best players are let go. p.s 3rd time lucky is a myth, if the first 2 don't pan out subsequent appointments rarely work out[/p][/quote]Quite right mate. Crowds down to 15.000 next year, i can tell about two on here that never go. UTA[/p][/quote]Well I am a season ticket holder. I know you reckon it doesn't count because I pay by direct debit. The club say season ticket sales are over 20,000 so I think your predictions are somewhat pessimistic. I am quite happy to differ in opinion with you, my glass remains half full. As I have previously stated, I would rather be a happy fool than a depressed pessimist. UTA[/p][/quote]Okay you got me. Just trying to have a bit of fun. Still stand by my direct debit theory. ringtone
  • Score: 2

6:40pm Sun 25 May 14

albionfan33 says...

here is an up to date message from the club regarding manager situation http://www.seagulls.
co.uk/news/article/a
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for-new-manager-1573
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89yi2SzlAPQ.99 hope it helps some of you
here is an up to date message from the club regarding manager situation http://www.seagulls. co.uk/news/article/a lbion-narrow-search- for-new-manager-1573 282.aspx?utm_content =buffer2f294&utm_med ium=social&utm_sourc e=facebook.com&utm_c ampaign=buffer#E5OSK 89yi2SzlAPQ.99 hope it helps some of you albionfan33
  • Score: 1

6:40pm Sun 25 May 14

OldGull says...

ringtone wrote:
Typical that the team with one less ex brighton player would get over the line first.

Rotherham away on a tuesday night in february, here we come.

UTA
been there.
Tues mar 3rd 1998
0-0 draw (dismal)
I was working up in Leeds at the time,so not a long drive
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: Typical that the team with one less ex brighton player would get over the line first. Rotherham away on a tuesday night in february, here we come. UTA[/p][/quote]been there. Tues mar 3rd 1998 0-0 draw (dismal) I was working up in Leeds at the time,so not a long drive OldGull
  • Score: 0

6:40pm Sun 25 May 14

Asleep in Dorset says...

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Morning. I just wish that someone in the higher offices of our club would now come out and give us an up to date statement. We have been very patient awaiting some kind of positive news.
I understand where people saying the club cannot give much away but the weeks are passing and to have no real up to date information IMO is unfair to us the supporters/followers of Brighton and Hove Albion.
look at website now, update on there
[quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: Morning. I just wish that someone in the higher offices of our club would now come out and give us an up to date statement. We have been very patient awaiting some kind of positive news. I understand where people saying the club cannot give much away but the weeks are passing and to have no real up to date information IMO is unfair to us the supporters/followers of Brighton and Hove Albion.[/p][/quote]look at website now, update on there Asleep in Dorset
  • Score: 0

6:55pm Sun 25 May 14

gordongull says...

'' ...a mix of British and foreign, experienced and emerging, managers and coaches....''
There has to be a clue in there somewhere.....?
'' ...a mix of British and foreign, experienced and emerging, managers and coaches....'' There has to be a clue in there somewhere.....? gordongull
  • Score: 2

6:58pm Sun 25 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
Not doubt a talented coach and huge respect for holding such a prestigious role with the biggest club in the world but why go with another coach who will not know the championship, is out of touch with British football, has never been a no1 at any side and now will now be coming into the championship where there are proven international and ex premier league managers struggling to get teams out the league or in some cases no way near the play offs. I think we are jumping out the frying pan into the fire with this appointment personally. We need a new management team in who have proven track records in this country who know what it takes to get a team promoted. We seem to be angling for these high risk managers at the moment. Cmon Tony, lets get this appointment done and dusted!!
Whilst your thoughts have merit regarding experience of the appointee, would not your bench mark have ruled out Poyet and Garcia, two managers/coaches, that did rather well for the club, with Poyet doing the most? Garcia may not have been with us for long, but we did make the play-offs, and that aint bad considering all that he had to deal with, and he did it at his first attempt.
Poyet joined us in the 1st Division, and arrived in the Championship having won that League.
Garcia won the Israeli Title.
Clement has no experience other than as assistant.
He has no more qualifications for the job than Nathan Jones.
I think he very much has to be fair.

Nathan Jones has simply been a youth coach at Charlton and had one year's experience as an assistant manager at Brighton.

Paul Clement has worked in three countries, in each case at the top level of the game and had success in each of those appointments. All of the time he's worked in at least an equivalent capacity to Nathan Jones, but bearing in mind the vastly superior level of football he was operating in, and the people he was working alongside (Ancelotti, Hiddink) and the first rate players he was coaching (Ronaldo, Thiago, Drogba, Terry, Di Maria, etc) his credentials dwarf those of Nathan Jones. There really is no comparison.

To further emphasise the point, Nathan Jones achieved a career high play-off semi-final as an assistant manager, Paul Clement won a champions league final two weeks later.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: Not doubt a talented coach and huge respect for holding such a prestigious role with the biggest club in the world but why go with another coach who will not know the championship, is out of touch with British football, has never been a no1 at any side and now will now be coming into the championship where there are proven international and ex premier league managers struggling to get teams out the league or in some cases no way near the play offs. I think we are jumping out the frying pan into the fire with this appointment personally. We need a new management team in who have proven track records in this country who know what it takes to get a team promoted. We seem to be angling for these high risk managers at the moment. Cmon Tony, lets get this appointment done and dusted!![/p][/quote]Whilst your thoughts have merit regarding experience of the appointee, would not your bench mark have ruled out Poyet and Garcia, two managers/coaches, that did rather well for the club, with Poyet doing the most? Garcia may not have been with us for long, but we did make the play-offs, and that aint bad considering all that he had to deal with, and he did it at his first attempt.[/p][/quote]Poyet joined us in the 1st Division, and arrived in the Championship having won that League. Garcia won the Israeli Title. Clement has no experience other than as assistant. He has no more qualifications for the job than Nathan Jones.[/p][/quote]I think he very much has to be fair. Nathan Jones has simply been a youth coach at Charlton and had one year's experience as an assistant manager at Brighton. Paul Clement has worked in three countries, in each case at the top level of the game and had success in each of those appointments. All of the time he's worked in at least an equivalent capacity to Nathan Jones, but bearing in mind the vastly superior level of football he was operating in, and the people he was working alongside (Ancelotti, Hiddink) and the first rate players he was coaching (Ronaldo, Thiago, Drogba, Terry, Di Maria, etc) his credentials dwarf those of Nathan Jones. There really is no comparison. To further emphasise the point, Nathan Jones achieved a career high play-off semi-final as an assistant manager, Paul Clement won a champions league final two weeks later. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 9

7:04pm Sun 25 May 14

Merdalf the Wizard says...

gordongull wrote:
'' ...a mix of British and foreign, experienced and emerging, managers and coaches....''
There has to be a clue in there somewhere.....?
They're not making it easy, they haven't replied to my application yet, so can I claim 'no contact from club' a la Tim Sherwood? On a serious note, I would expect an appointment to be made by the end of the week if not sooner.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: '' ...a mix of British and foreign, experienced and emerging, managers and coaches....'' There has to be a clue in there somewhere.....?[/p][/quote]They're not making it easy, they haven't replied to my application yet, so can I claim 'no contact from club' a la Tim Sherwood? On a serious note, I would expect an appointment to be made by the end of the week if not sooner. UTA Merdalf the Wizard
  • Score: 3

7:07pm Sun 25 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

namgo49 wrote:
Real Madrid don’t play “tippy tappy” they are far quicker and come forward en masse. They play Benzema up front with Bale and Ronaldo just behind. I don’t have a problem with that style but what I do have problem with is that there is a marked difference between being assistant and being manager/head coach.

I can’t see WBA risking him as they took a punt on Steve Clark in his 1st Managerial having always run as a good number 2 previously. It didn’t work. Mclaren struggled for ages after having been in the shadow of Ferguson. Brian Kidd never made it as a head man. Steve Kean the same.

I wonder if Oscar was not trusted well enough at Brighton to give him much money to spend. Burke gets the players but it is based on ones that the Manager/Head Coach comes up with and from the interview with Tony Bloom he came up with a list of players who were simply not available. Alternatives were found but I cannot imagine he was thrilled with Obika and too, may be the others were not his ideal choices. With Dale Stephens they probably showed him his one wow goal at Charlton and said he plays like that every week!!

Sure fire thing is to get someone decent then they will cost and they will want a decent budget. Clement has been spoiled at PSG and RM and would have had no influence over player imports. Sherwood is different and he would be my choice as he has those vital ingredients, charisma and ability to motivate, viz Adebeyor, who was down and out at the club under AVB.
Perhaps, but Mourinho, Paisley and Joe Fagan head a list of assistant managers who each won major trophies in their very first managerial roles.

I understand your apprehension that he cuts his managerial teeth at Brighton at our risk, but he may well turn out to be the perfect appointment. The simple truth is we don't know either way at this point.

I agree with you about the Real Madrid style. They certainly don't play tippy tappy football. In fact the nearest equivalent to their style in The Championship is in fact Derby County.

Both sides play a high-tempo counter-attacking game with lots of pressing and they break in numbers when they go forward.
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: Real Madrid don’t play “tippy tappy” they are far quicker and come forward en masse. They play Benzema up front with Bale and Ronaldo just behind. I don’t have a problem with that style but what I do have problem with is that there is a marked difference between being assistant and being manager/head coach. I can’t see WBA risking him as they took a punt on Steve Clark in his 1st Managerial having always run as a good number 2 previously. It didn’t work. Mclaren struggled for ages after having been in the shadow of Ferguson. Brian Kidd never made it as a head man. Steve Kean the same. I wonder if Oscar was not trusted well enough at Brighton to give him much money to spend. Burke gets the players but it is based on ones that the Manager/Head Coach comes up with and from the interview with Tony Bloom he came up with a list of players who were simply not available. Alternatives were found but I cannot imagine he was thrilled with Obika and too, may be the others were not his ideal choices. With Dale Stephens they probably showed him his one wow goal at Charlton and said he plays like that every week!! Sure fire thing is to get someone decent then they will cost and they will want a decent budget. Clement has been spoiled at PSG and RM and would have had no influence over player imports. Sherwood is different and he would be my choice as he has those vital ingredients, charisma and ability to motivate, viz Adebeyor, who was down and out at the club under AVB.[/p][/quote]Perhaps, but Mourinho, Paisley and Joe Fagan head a list of assistant managers who each won major trophies in their very first managerial roles. I understand your apprehension that he cuts his managerial teeth at Brighton at our risk, but he may well turn out to be the perfect appointment. The simple truth is we don't know either way at this point. I agree with you about the Real Madrid style. They certainly don't play tippy tappy football. In fact the nearest equivalent to their style in The Championship is in fact Derby County. Both sides play a high-tempo counter-attacking game with lots of pressing and they break in numbers when they go forward. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 6

7:12pm Sun 25 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
No matter who gets the job one thing is for certain, players arriving on extended loan deals, will play a big part in our season, much as Ward did during our last one and Bridge before him. For this reason I think it safe to assume that our new manager will have to have some contacts and, be considered the right guy to take charge of other teams players, if those players are up and coming younger ones.

Our shopping list is horrendous when laid against what we think will be a tight budget, or reasonably tight, and there in lies the big challenge. Who among the applicants, or targets, has the best chance of landing the right players on loan. Could Clement look to Real to help us out, or maybe any other previous club he has worked for, would he be able to approach other spanish clubs. Would Hughton, not that far removed from prem action, be better placed to borrow from english clubs, and I don't see any players moving down from Scotland to the south coast.

Players going out on loan are usually sent out for two reasons, either they are young and their parent club want them to get some experience thru getting playing time, or they are older and on good wages and the parent club want to cut their costs. No matter what the reason, the loan deals we enter into have to be right and nothing like one or two of those we had last season. Who, of the bookies favs to land the job at Brighton, do you think is best placed to pick up the right players for season long loan deals, we probably need three such players?
I would say the answer to your question, Vegas, is Paul Clement. He could draw from three quality football clubs. I could see us most likely borrowing somebody from Chelsea.

Of the options there I would love to see Dominic Solanke come in. He looks a real prospect and as long as he isn't a compulsory starter he would be an excellent component part of a strikeforce squad with Leo (or Leo replacement), CMS and the wingers + one other striker.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: No matter who gets the job one thing is for certain, players arriving on extended loan deals, will play a big part in our season, much as Ward did during our last one and Bridge before him. For this reason I think it safe to assume that our new manager will have to have some contacts and, be considered the right guy to take charge of other teams players, if those players are up and coming younger ones. Our shopping list is horrendous when laid against what we think will be a tight budget, or reasonably tight, and there in lies the big challenge. Who among the applicants, or targets, has the best chance of landing the right players on loan. Could Clement look to Real to help us out, or maybe any other previous club he has worked for, would he be able to approach other spanish clubs. Would Hughton, not that far removed from prem action, be better placed to borrow from english clubs, and I don't see any players moving down from Scotland to the south coast. Players going out on loan are usually sent out for two reasons, either they are young and their parent club want them to get some experience thru getting playing time, or they are older and on good wages and the parent club want to cut their costs. No matter what the reason, the loan deals we enter into have to be right and nothing like one or two of those we had last season. Who, of the bookies favs to land the job at Brighton, do you think is best placed to pick up the right players for season long loan deals, we probably need three such players?[/p][/quote]I would say the answer to your question, Vegas, is Paul Clement. He could draw from three quality football clubs. I could see us most likely borrowing somebody from Chelsea. Of the options there I would love to see Dominic Solanke come in. He looks a real prospect and as long as he isn't a compulsory starter he would be an excellent component part of a strikeforce squad with Leo (or Leo replacement), CMS and the wingers + one other striker. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 5

7:29pm Sun 25 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

OldGull wrote:
ringtone wrote:
Typical that the team with one less ex brighton player would get over the line first.

Rotherham away on a tuesday night in february, here we come.

UTA
been there.
Tues mar 3rd 1998
0-0 draw (dismal)
I was working up in Leeds at the time,so not a long drive
Ah but don't forget it's a new stadium they have up there now. I will be going to add it to my ridiculously long list of grounds visited, regardless of weekday evenings....I would much prefer it to be on a weekend though, I must admit.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: Typical that the team with one less ex brighton player would get over the line first. Rotherham away on a tuesday night in february, here we come. UTA[/p][/quote]been there. Tues mar 3rd 1998 0-0 draw (dismal) I was working up in Leeds at the time,so not a long drive[/p][/quote]Ah but don't forget it's a new stadium they have up there now. I will be going to add it to my ridiculously long list of grounds visited, regardless of weekday evenings....I would much prefer it to be on a weekend though, I must admit. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 4

7:31pm Sun 25 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

Merdalf the Wizard wrote:
gordongull wrote:
'' ...a mix of British and foreign, experienced and emerging, managers and coaches....''
There has to be a clue in there somewhere.....?
They're not making it easy, they haven't replied to my application yet, so can I claim 'no contact from club' a la Tim Sherwood? On a serious note, I would expect an appointment to be made by the end of the week if not sooner.
UTA
Haha! Don't worry, Merdalf, I think we are both on the short list.
[quote][p][bold]Merdalf the Wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: '' ...a mix of British and foreign, experienced and emerging, managers and coaches....'' There has to be a clue in there somewhere.....?[/p][/quote]They're not making it easy, they haven't replied to my application yet, so can I claim 'no contact from club' a la Tim Sherwood? On a serious note, I would expect an appointment to be made by the end of the week if not sooner. UTA[/p][/quote]Haha! Don't worry, Merdalf, I think we are both on the short list. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 6

7:48pm Sun 25 May 14

gordongull says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
Not doubt a talented coach and huge respect for holding such a prestigious role with the biggest club in the world but why go with another coach who will not know the championship, is out of touch with British football, has never been a no1 at any side and now will now be coming into the championship where there are proven international and ex premier league managers struggling to get teams out the league or in some cases no way near the play offs. I think we are jumping out the frying pan into the fire with this appointment personally. We need a new management team in who have proven track records in this country who know what it takes to get a team promoted. We seem to be angling for these high risk managers at the moment. Cmon Tony, lets get this appointment done and dusted!!
Whilst your thoughts have merit regarding experience of the appointee, would not your bench mark have ruled out Poyet and Garcia, two managers/coaches, that did rather well for the club, with Poyet doing the most? Garcia may not have been with us for long, but we did make the play-offs, and that aint bad considering all that he had to deal with, and he did it at his first attempt.
Poyet joined us in the 1st Division, and arrived in the Championship having won that League.
Garcia won the Israeli Title.
Clement has no experience other than as assistant.
He has no more qualifications for the job than Nathan Jones.
I think he very much has to be fair.

Nathan Jones has simply been a youth coach at Charlton and had one year's experience as an assistant manager at Brighton.

Paul Clement has worked in three countries, in each case at the top level of the game and had success in each of those appointments. All of the time he's worked in at least an equivalent capacity to Nathan Jones, but bearing in mind the vastly superior level of football he was operating in, and the people he was working alongside (Ancelotti, Hiddink) and the first rate players he was coaching (Ronaldo, Thiago, Drogba, Terry, Di Maria, etc) his credentials dwarf those of Nathan Jones. There really is no comparison.

To further emphasise the point, Nathan Jones achieved a career high play-off semi-final as an assistant manager, Paul Clement won a champions league final two weeks later.
I'm not suggesting that Nathan should be appointed, Captain Haddock, (although his experience is more relevant to the Championship than that of Clement). The point I was trying to make is that Clement is a high risk appointment because, like Jones, he has no track record as the man in charge.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: Not doubt a talented coach and huge respect for holding such a prestigious role with the biggest club in the world but why go with another coach who will not know the championship, is out of touch with British football, has never been a no1 at any side and now will now be coming into the championship where there are proven international and ex premier league managers struggling to get teams out the league or in some cases no way near the play offs. I think we are jumping out the frying pan into the fire with this appointment personally. We need a new management team in who have proven track records in this country who know what it takes to get a team promoted. We seem to be angling for these high risk managers at the moment. Cmon Tony, lets get this appointment done and dusted!![/p][/quote]Whilst your thoughts have merit regarding experience of the appointee, would not your bench mark have ruled out Poyet and Garcia, two managers/coaches, that did rather well for the club, with Poyet doing the most? Garcia may not have been with us for long, but we did make the play-offs, and that aint bad considering all that he had to deal with, and he did it at his first attempt.[/p][/quote]Poyet joined us in the 1st Division, and arrived in the Championship having won that League. Garcia won the Israeli Title. Clement has no experience other than as assistant. He has no more qualifications for the job than Nathan Jones.[/p][/quote]I think he very much has to be fair. Nathan Jones has simply been a youth coach at Charlton and had one year's experience as an assistant manager at Brighton. Paul Clement has worked in three countries, in each case at the top level of the game and had success in each of those appointments. All of the time he's worked in at least an equivalent capacity to Nathan Jones, but bearing in mind the vastly superior level of football he was operating in, and the people he was working alongside (Ancelotti, Hiddink) and the first rate players he was coaching (Ronaldo, Thiago, Drogba, Terry, Di Maria, etc) his credentials dwarf those of Nathan Jones. There really is no comparison. To further emphasise the point, Nathan Jones achieved a career high play-off semi-final as an assistant manager, Paul Clement won a champions league final two weeks later.[/p][/quote]I'm not suggesting that Nathan should be appointed, Captain Haddock, (although his experience is more relevant to the Championship than that of Clement). The point I was trying to make is that Clement is a high risk appointment because, like Jones, he has no track record as the man in charge. gordongull
  • Score: 0

7:52pm Sun 25 May 14

Falmer Wizard says...

Has anybody whispered in Clements ear LIMITED BUDGET, not something that is spoken about at his present club.
Has anybody whispered in Clements ear LIMITED BUDGET, not something that is spoken about at his present club. Falmer Wizard
  • Score: 2

9:45pm Sun 25 May 14

ballantrrae says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
OldGull wrote:
What can the club announce?
We are looking for a new manager but haven't found one yet?

Just be patient everyone.
TB will find the right man
3rd time lucky
I understood that Sherwood was 'the right man' and was due to sign up, then Hughton, now some Spaniard no one has heard of is in the frame, no doubt the post will be up on the boards at the Job Centre soon enough in the hope of siigning someone who will toe the line, not spend any money and not complain when the best players are let go. p.s 3rd time lucky is a myth, if the first 2 don't pan out subsequent appointments rarely work out
Bill in Hanover I suspect that you have missed some of the threads on here and some of the postings regarding Paul Clement. For your information he is English (his father played for QPR & England) and has coached at Chelsea and Paris St. Germain before moving to Real Madrid. He has also worked at Blackburn and Fulham where he would have known David Burke our Head of Football.
I see on another thread that TB will be interviewing candidates this week so hopefully we might know who our new Manager is in a few days time..
TB has a clear strategy on how the club should progress and I am confident that he will make the right choice when appointing Oscar's replacement. No doubt one will get some flack for expressing such a view. UTA.
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: What can the club announce? We are looking for a new manager but haven't found one yet? Just be patient everyone. TB will find the right man 3rd time lucky[/p][/quote]I understood that Sherwood was 'the right man' and was due to sign up, then Hughton, now some Spaniard no one has heard of is in the frame, no doubt the post will be up on the boards at the Job Centre soon enough in the hope of siigning someone who will toe the line, not spend any money and not complain when the best players are let go. p.s 3rd time lucky is a myth, if the first 2 don't pan out subsequent appointments rarely work out[/p][/quote]Bill in Hanover I suspect that you have missed some of the threads on here and some of the postings regarding Paul Clement. For your information he is English (his father played for QPR & England) and has coached at Chelsea and Paris St. Germain before moving to Real Madrid. He has also worked at Blackburn and Fulham where he would have known David Burke our Head of Football. I see on another thread that TB will be interviewing candidates this week so hopefully we might know who our new Manager is in a few days time.. TB has a clear strategy on how the club should progress and I am confident that he will make the right choice when appointing Oscar's replacement. No doubt one will get some flack for expressing such a view. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 7

9:53pm Sun 25 May 14

mickage says...

Not only is Paul Clement interested after coaching Real Madrid, I heard that if England win the World Cup then Roy Hodgson will resign and take the Albion manager position......he described being Brighton's manager as his ultimate dream and it would be the pinnacle of his career...
Not only is Paul Clement interested after coaching Real Madrid, I heard that if England win the World Cup then Roy Hodgson will resign and take the Albion manager position......he described being Brighton's manager as his ultimate dream and it would be the pinnacle of his career... mickage
  • Score: 1

10:06pm Sun 25 May 14

Marky24 says...

Please not Tony Mowbray he couldn't manage his dinner!
Please not Tony Mowbray he couldn't manage his dinner! Marky24
  • Score: 2

2:55am Mon 26 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

gordongull wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
Not doubt a talented coach and huge respect for holding such a prestigious role with the biggest club in the world but why go with another coach who will not know the championship, is out of touch with British football, has never been a no1 at any side and now will now be coming into the championship where there are proven international and ex premier league managers struggling to get teams out the league or in some cases no way near the play offs. I think we are jumping out the frying pan into the fire with this appointment personally. We need a new management team in who have proven track records in this country who know what it takes to get a team promoted. We seem to be angling for these high risk managers at the moment. Cmon Tony, lets get this appointment done and dusted!!
Whilst your thoughts have merit regarding experience of the appointee, would not your bench mark have ruled out Poyet and Garcia, two managers/coaches, that did rather well for the club, with Poyet doing the most? Garcia may not have been with us for long, but we did make the play-offs, and that aint bad considering all that he had to deal with, and he did it at his first attempt.
Poyet joined us in the 1st Division, and arrived in the Championship having won that League.
Garcia won the Israeli Title.
Clement has no experience other than as assistant.
He has no more qualifications for the job than Nathan Jones.
I think he very much has to be fair.

Nathan Jones has simply been a youth coach at Charlton and had one year's experience as an assistant manager at Brighton.

Paul Clement has worked in three countries, in each case at the top level of the game and had success in each of those appointments. All of the time he's worked in at least an equivalent capacity to Nathan Jones, but bearing in mind the vastly superior level of football he was operating in, and the people he was working alongside (Ancelotti, Hiddink) and the first rate players he was coaching (Ronaldo, Thiago, Drogba, Terry, Di Maria, etc) his credentials dwarf those of Nathan Jones. There really is no comparison.

To further emphasise the point, Nathan Jones achieved a career high play-off semi-final as an assistant manager, Paul Clement won a champions league final two weeks later.
I'm not suggesting that Nathan should be appointed, Captain Haddock, (although his experience is more relevant to the Championship than that of Clement). The point I was trying to make is that Clement is a high risk appointment because, like Jones, he has no track record as the man in charge.
Fair enough, Gordon.

One way or the other I think we'll find out his potential as I have a feeling he is the man to be appointed later this week.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: Not doubt a talented coach and huge respect for holding such a prestigious role with the biggest club in the world but why go with another coach who will not know the championship, is out of touch with British football, has never been a no1 at any side and now will now be coming into the championship where there are proven international and ex premier league managers struggling to get teams out the league or in some cases no way near the play offs. I think we are jumping out the frying pan into the fire with this appointment personally. We need a new management team in who have proven track records in this country who know what it takes to get a team promoted. We seem to be angling for these high risk managers at the moment. Cmon Tony, lets get this appointment done and dusted!![/p][/quote]Whilst your thoughts have merit regarding experience of the appointee, would not your bench mark have ruled out Poyet and Garcia, two managers/coaches, that did rather well for the club, with Poyet doing the most? Garcia may not have been with us for long, but we did make the play-offs, and that aint bad considering all that he had to deal with, and he did it at his first attempt.[/p][/quote]Poyet joined us in the 1st Division, and arrived in the Championship having won that League. Garcia won the Israeli Title. Clement has no experience other than as assistant. He has no more qualifications for the job than Nathan Jones.[/p][/quote]I think he very much has to be fair. Nathan Jones has simply been a youth coach at Charlton and had one year's experience as an assistant manager at Brighton. Paul Clement has worked in three countries, in each case at the top level of the game and had success in each of those appointments. All of the time he's worked in at least an equivalent capacity to Nathan Jones, but bearing in mind the vastly superior level of football he was operating in, and the people he was working alongside (Ancelotti, Hiddink) and the first rate players he was coaching (Ronaldo, Thiago, Drogba, Terry, Di Maria, etc) his credentials dwarf those of Nathan Jones. There really is no comparison. To further emphasise the point, Nathan Jones achieved a career high play-off semi-final as an assistant manager, Paul Clement won a champions league final two weeks later.[/p][/quote]I'm not suggesting that Nathan should be appointed, Captain Haddock, (although his experience is more relevant to the Championship than that of Clement). The point I was trying to make is that Clement is a high risk appointment because, like Jones, he has no track record as the man in charge.[/p][/quote]Fair enough, Gordon. One way or the other I think we'll find out his potential as I have a feeling he is the man to be appointed later this week. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 3

2:57am Mon 26 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

mickage wrote:
Not only is Paul Clement interested after coaching Real Madrid, I heard that if England win the World Cup then Roy Hodgson will resign and take the Albion manager position......he described being Brighton's manager as his ultimate dream and it would be the pinnacle of his career...
Always thought Roy had sense!
[quote][p][bold]mickage[/bold] wrote: Not only is Paul Clement interested after coaching Real Madrid, I heard that if England win the World Cup then Roy Hodgson will resign and take the Albion manager position......he described being Brighton's manager as his ultimate dream and it would be the pinnacle of his career...[/p][/quote]Always thought Roy had sense! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 3

8:06am Mon 26 May 14

dave from bexill says...

gburbs wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
Not doubt a talented coach and huge respect for holding such a prestigious role with the biggest club in the world but why go with another coach who will not know the championship, is out of touch with British football, has never been a no1 at any side and now will now be coming into the championship where there are proven international and ex premier league managers struggling to get teams out the league or in some cases no way near the play offs. I think we are jumping out the frying pan into the fire with this appointment personally. We need a new management team in who have proven track records in this country who know what it takes to get a team promoted. We seem to be angling for these high risk managers at the moment. Cmon Tony, lets get this appointment done and dusted!!
Whilst your thoughts have merit regarding experience of the appointee, would not your bench mark have ruled out Poyet and Garcia, two managers/coaches, that did rather well for the club, with Poyet doing the most? Garcia may not have been with us for long, but we did make the play-offs, and that aint bad considering all that he had to deal with, and he did it at his first attempt.
Poyet joined us in the 1st Division, and arrived in the Championship having won that League.
Garcia won the Israeli Title.
Clement has no experience other than as assistant.
He has no more qualifications for the job than Nathan Jones.
Oh I totally agree no more than Jones.

Oh dear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"He (Clement) has no more qualifications for the job than Nathan Jones"
In that case, perhaps they'll be able to swap jobs, particularly as Nathan has a command of Spanish
[quote][p][bold]gburbs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: Not doubt a talented coach and huge respect for holding such a prestigious role with the biggest club in the world but why go with another coach who will not know the championship, is out of touch with British football, has never been a no1 at any side and now will now be coming into the championship where there are proven international and ex premier league managers struggling to get teams out the league or in some cases no way near the play offs. I think we are jumping out the frying pan into the fire with this appointment personally. We need a new management team in who have proven track records in this country who know what it takes to get a team promoted. We seem to be angling for these high risk managers at the moment. Cmon Tony, lets get this appointment done and dusted!![/p][/quote]Whilst your thoughts have merit regarding experience of the appointee, would not your bench mark have ruled out Poyet and Garcia, two managers/coaches, that did rather well for the club, with Poyet doing the most? Garcia may not have been with us for long, but we did make the play-offs, and that aint bad considering all that he had to deal with, and he did it at his first attempt.[/p][/quote]Poyet joined us in the 1st Division, and arrived in the Championship having won that League. Garcia won the Israeli Title. Clement has no experience other than as assistant. He has no more qualifications for the job than Nathan Jones.[/p][/quote]Oh I totally agree no more than Jones. Oh dear!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]"He (Clement) has no more qualifications for the job than Nathan Jones" In that case, perhaps they'll be able to swap jobs, particularly as Nathan has a command of Spanish dave from bexill
  • Score: 4

9:09am Mon 26 May 14

olebut says...

I suspect Tony Mowbray is a good guy but he is not the man for The Seagulls
I suspect Tony Mowbray is a good guy but he is not the man for The Seagulls olebut
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9:43am Mon 26 May 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

What is certain is that whoever is appointed, must be given our 100% support. I also feel the appointment of the no.2 will be crucial. In Tony we trust. UTA
What is certain is that whoever is appointed, must be given our 100% support. I also feel the appointment of the no.2 will be crucial. In Tony we trust. UTA Joel'sGrandad
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