Albion talking point: How key is Ulloa to the Seagulls?

Leo Ulloa

Leo Ulloa

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Leicester City want to sign Leo Ulloa. But how badly do Albion need to keep him?

Reports from Leicester this morning suggest the Foxes have been told £3 million is not enough to secure the Argentinean.

The Foxes have reportedly been told to think closer to eight figures.

So how big a part do you think Ulloa can play for the Seagulls next term?

And, if interest persists, at what stage do the Seagulls say their striker can go?

How concerned are you about losing the man Albion spent so long chasing?

We’d love to get your thoughts.

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1:31pm Tue 27 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Interesting that we have allowed players to leave like Bennet and Noone to further there careers, we did little to stop bridcutt either.
If ulloa goes for the figure suggested of 7 million, ( his release clause I believe) then that's what we have done for the last 4 years, allow better players to step up into the higher league, and I don't have a problem with that.
However we must tie our assets down before clubs get wind of contract failings at this club, I don't want to spot the obvious , however we paid 3 million for CMS , who collected approx a million pounds last year for the benefit of about a hours football, he now has approx 7 months before he can talk to clubs about a contract in July 2015 .. Yes that's a long way away, but the guy will have cost us 6 million in wages and fees, and he will probably perform a blinder this season coming and walk off for a nice joining fee?
I can't see how the club can win really, if he fails to score or do enough, do we offer him a deal or let him just leave? Only to see him bang twenty for another club!,!!!!!
Ulloa will leave at some point, if we can replace him great, collect the cash and build a squad.
Interesting that we have allowed players to leave like Bennet and Noone to further there careers, we did little to stop bridcutt either. If ulloa goes for the figure suggested of 7 million, ( his release clause I believe) then that's what we have done for the last 4 years, allow better players to step up into the higher league, and I don't have a problem with that. However we must tie our assets down before clubs get wind of contract failings at this club, I don't want to spot the obvious , however we paid 3 million for CMS , who collected approx a million pounds last year for the benefit of about a hours football, he now has approx 7 months before he can talk to clubs about a contract in July 2015 .. Yes that's a long way away, but the guy will have cost us 6 million in wages and fees, and he will probably perform a blinder this season coming and walk off for a nice joining fee? I can't see how the club can win really, if he fails to score or do enough, do we offer him a deal or let him just leave? Only to see him bang twenty for another club!,!!!!! Ulloa will leave at some point, if we can replace him great, collect the cash and build a squad. mark by the sea
  • Score: 10

1:32pm Tue 27 May 14

Albion fan in London says...

If we don't replace Leo should he leave he is massive to us , if we do then not so much. The problem will be finding someone suitable to fill the void and as we already know good centre forwards don't come cheap. Its no surprise he is attracting interest, he's a good player however, Tony Bloom will no doubt have a figure in his mind of what he is worth (not sure £10mill is correct) this said we would be delighted with anything above £7.5 mill for him in my opinion. The ONLY thing Ulloa lacks is pace and this will hold him back in the higher division imo. Lastly, lets not turn into a feeder club for this lower end premier league teams!
If we don't replace Leo should he leave he is massive to us , if we do then not so much. The problem will be finding someone suitable to fill the void and as we already know good centre forwards don't come cheap. Its no surprise he is attracting interest, he's a good player however, Tony Bloom will no doubt have a figure in his mind of what he is worth (not sure £10mill is correct) this said we would be delighted with anything above £7.5 mill for him in my opinion. The ONLY thing Ulloa lacks is pace and this will hold him back in the higher division imo. Lastly, lets not turn into a feeder club for this lower end premier league teams! Albion fan in London
  • Score: 19

1:35pm Tue 27 May 14

gobias industries says...

In my view, not key at all.

He only played well when the cameras were on last season and spent a lot of the time huffing and puffing without contributing that much. The only decent thing he did was the goal against Hull.

I would take anything over £5m to be honest
In my view, not key at all. He only played well when the cameras were on last season and spent a lot of the time huffing and puffing without contributing that much. The only decent thing he did was the goal against Hull. I would take anything over £5m to be honest gobias industries
  • Score: -24

1:42pm Tue 27 May 14

AlfieT says...

Everyone has got their price, doesn't matter the size of club or bank balance. Ulloa looked disinterested in the last few games, perhaps he wants away, something close to £7 million and he can go.
Everyone has got their price, doesn't matter the size of club or bank balance. Ulloa looked disinterested in the last few games, perhaps he wants away, something close to £7 million and he can go. AlfieT
  • Score: 8

1:42pm Tue 27 May 14

Anthony 14 says...

If they offer £5m then we should let him go - will be a great deal for us.

Ulloa has been great for us, and will always be remembered for his goals against Palace last season and Forest this season. He seems like a top bloke as well.

His performances towards the end of the season were however becoming frustrating - and he seems to spend more time on the floor looking for free kicks than holding the ball up.

If it meant that we could bring back Murray or Zamora then we should offload Ulloa ASAP. No disrespect to Leo, but both those lads are loads better.
If they offer £5m then we should let him go - will be a great deal for us. Ulloa has been great for us, and will always be remembered for his goals against Palace last season and Forest this season. He seems like a top bloke as well. His performances towards the end of the season were however becoming frustrating - and he seems to spend more time on the floor looking for free kicks than holding the ball up. If it meant that we could bring back Murray or Zamora then we should offload Ulloa ASAP. No disrespect to Leo, but both those lads are loads better. Anthony 14
  • Score: -16

1:43pm Tue 27 May 14

lotsofducks says...

gobias industries wrote:
In my view, not key at all. He only played well when the cameras were on last season and spent a lot of the time huffing and puffing without contributing that much. The only decent thing he did was the goal against Hull. I would take anything over £5m to be honest
What a bizarre comment! He was our top scorer and didn't play for almost one third of the season! We didn't have hat may games televised I don't think...
[quote][p][bold]gobias industries[/bold] wrote: In my view, not key at all. He only played well when the cameras were on last season and spent a lot of the time huffing and puffing without contributing that much. The only decent thing he did was the goal against Hull. I would take anything over £5m to be honest[/p][/quote]What a bizarre comment! He was our top scorer and didn't play for almost one third of the season! We didn't have hat may games televised I don't think... lotsofducks
  • Score: 9

1:50pm Tue 27 May 14

DuncanThickett says...

I think it is absolutely essential that we keep him. With a full season free of long injuries, i can see him getting 25+ goals. Some things are more important than a 5-10 mill shaped carrot.
I think it is absolutely essential that we keep him. With a full season free of long injuries, i can see him getting 25+ goals. Some things are more important than a 5-10 mill shaped carrot. DuncanThickett
  • Score: 26

1:55pm Tue 27 May 14

mark by the sea says...

DuncanThickett wrote:
I think it is absolutely essential that we keep him. With a full season free of long injuries, i can see him getting 25+ goals. Some things are more important than a 5-10 mill shaped carrot.
I wonder how much he would be worth in jan when there are 6-7 teams worrying about relegation and he has scored 15 odd goals?
[quote][p][bold]DuncanThickett[/bold] wrote: I think it is absolutely essential that we keep him. With a full season free of long injuries, i can see him getting 25+ goals. Some things are more important than a 5-10 mill shaped carrot.[/p][/quote]I wonder how much he would be worth in jan when there are 6-7 teams worrying about relegation and he has scored 15 odd goals? mark by the sea
  • Score: 15

1:59pm Tue 27 May 14

DuncanThickett says...

mark by the sea wrote:
DuncanThickett wrote:
I think it is absolutely essential that we keep him. With a full season free of long injuries, i can see him getting 25+ goals. Some things are more important than a 5-10 mill shaped carrot.
I wonder how much he would be worth in jan when there are 6-7 teams worrying about relegation and he has scored 15 odd goals?
Very true. We may well keep him after August deadline, but then who knows.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DuncanThickett[/bold] wrote: I think it is absolutely essential that we keep him. With a full season free of long injuries, i can see him getting 25+ goals. Some things are more important than a 5-10 mill shaped carrot.[/p][/quote]I wonder how much he would be worth in jan when there are 6-7 teams worrying about relegation and he has scored 15 odd goals?[/p][/quote]Very true. We may well keep him after August deadline, but then who knows. DuncanThickett
  • Score: 4

2:05pm Tue 27 May 14

AlfieT says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Interesting that we have allowed players to leave like Bennet and Noone to further there careers, we did little to stop bridcutt either.
If ulloa goes for the figure suggested of 7 million, ( his release clause I believe) then that's what we have done for the last 4 years, allow better players to step up into the higher league, and I don't have a problem with that.
However we must tie our assets down before clubs get wind of contract failings at this club, I don't want to spot the obvious , however we paid 3 million for CMS , who collected approx a million pounds last year for the benefit of about a hours football, he now has approx 7 months before he can talk to clubs about a contract in July 2015 .. Yes that's a long way away, but the guy will have cost us 6 million in wages and fees, and he will probably perform a blinder this season coming and walk off for a nice joining fee?
I can't see how the club can win really, if he fails to score or do enough, do we offer him a deal or let him just leave? Only to see him bang twenty for another club!,!!!!!
Ulloa will leave at some point, if we can replace him great, collect the cash and build a squad.
Can't see why your getting thumbs down for posting a succinct point of view. There's no real player loyalty any more, probably going to get worse as the incentives increase. Although it's a very long way from bearing fruit, the academy is the long term solution for a sustainable and profitable football club.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Interesting that we have allowed players to leave like Bennet and Noone to further there careers, we did little to stop bridcutt either. If ulloa goes for the figure suggested of 7 million, ( his release clause I believe) then that's what we have done for the last 4 years, allow better players to step up into the higher league, and I don't have a problem with that. However we must tie our assets down before clubs get wind of contract failings at this club, I don't want to spot the obvious , however we paid 3 million for CMS , who collected approx a million pounds last year for the benefit of about a hours football, he now has approx 7 months before he can talk to clubs about a contract in July 2015 .. Yes that's a long way away, but the guy will have cost us 6 million in wages and fees, and he will probably perform a blinder this season coming and walk off for a nice joining fee? I can't see how the club can win really, if he fails to score or do enough, do we offer him a deal or let him just leave? Only to see him bang twenty for another club!,!!!!! Ulloa will leave at some point, if we can replace him great, collect the cash and build a squad.[/p][/quote]Can't see why your getting thumbs down for posting a succinct point of view. There's no real player loyalty any more, probably going to get worse as the incentives increase. Although it's a very long way from bearing fruit, the academy is the long term solution for a sustainable and profitable football club. AlfieT
  • Score: -3

2:07pm Tue 27 May 14

Rhodes Seagull says...

This has got to be the most ambiguous question posted this year "How key is Ulloa to the Seagulls?"
Mmm Probably the one player we really need to keep hold of when we join Leicester in the premiership at the end of the coming season!!!!
This has got to be the most ambiguous question posted this year "How key is Ulloa to the Seagulls?" Mmm Probably the one player we really need to keep hold of when we join Leicester in the premiership at the end of the coming season!!!! Rhodes Seagull
  • Score: 2

2:08pm Tue 27 May 14

Conelli98 says...

I think getting a quality manager in ASAP is more important than whether or not we sell Ulloa! IMO he's worth no more than £5m as he lacks pace. Is he better than Zamora Or Murray?...probably not but they are not the answer either! Sell Ulloa and get Wood back as I can see a partnership between him and CMS being fruitful. Becchio must also be chomping at the bit to play so maybe get him in so maybe Hughton should stay well away.
Manager first and players next otherwise we may have a season of inconsistency!
I think getting a quality manager in ASAP is more important than whether or not we sell Ulloa! IMO he's worth no more than £5m as he lacks pace. Is he better than Zamora Or Murray?...probably not but they are not the answer either! Sell Ulloa and get Wood back as I can see a partnership between him and CMS being fruitful. Becchio must also be chomping at the bit to play so maybe get him in so maybe Hughton should stay well away. Manager first and players next otherwise we may have a season of inconsistency! Conelli98
  • Score: 0

2:11pm Tue 27 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

If any prem club buys Ulloa they are buying potential as this will be his first incursion into the top flight.
Ulloa could keep Leicester in the prem this coming season. Given the better service one would expect him to get in the prem, he has the potential to be a success. Ulloa can score just as well with his head as he can with his feet, he has the potential to be dangerous at set pieces. Ulloa is a strong lad, he can hold the ball up whilst support arrives, and support comes quicker in the prem than it does in the Champ div, he has the potential to be a valued target man in the prem.

Forget what he means to Brighton, what value should Leicester, or another, place on his potential? If we get this sale wrong we could miss out big time. One decent season for Ulloa in the prem could see his value double, and by decent I mean between just 9 to12 goals. Only bids upwards of 7 million should be entertained, and there must be a sell on clause written in.
If any prem club buys Ulloa they are buying potential as this will be his first incursion into the top flight. Ulloa could keep Leicester in the prem this coming season. Given the better service one would expect him to get in the prem, he has the potential to be a success. Ulloa can score just as well with his head as he can with his feet, he has the potential to be dangerous at set pieces. Ulloa is a strong lad, he can hold the ball up whilst support arrives, and support comes quicker in the prem than it does in the Champ div, he has the potential to be a valued target man in the prem. Forget what he means to Brighton, what value should Leicester, or another, place on his potential? If we get this sale wrong we could miss out big time. One decent season for Ulloa in the prem could see his value double, and by decent I mean between just 9 to12 goals. Only bids upwards of 7 million should be entertained, and there must be a sell on clause written in. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 11

2:12pm Tue 27 May 14

DuncanThickett says...

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
This has got to be the most ambiguous question posted this year "How key is Ulloa to the Seagulls?"
Mmm Probably the one player we really need to keep hold of when we join Leicester in the premiership at the end of the coming season!!!!
Accurate apart from one word - not 'join', but 'replace'...
[quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: This has got to be the most ambiguous question posted this year "How key is Ulloa to the Seagulls?" Mmm Probably the one player we really need to keep hold of when we join Leicester in the premiership at the end of the coming season!!!![/p][/quote]Accurate apart from one word - not 'join', but 'replace'... DuncanThickett
  • Score: 2

2:13pm Tue 27 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Conelli98 wrote:
I think getting a quality manager in ASAP is more important than whether or not we sell Ulloa! IMO he's worth no more than £5m as he lacks pace. Is he better than Zamora Or Murray?...probably not but they are not the answer either! Sell Ulloa and get Wood back as I can see a partnership between him and CMS being fruitful. Becchio must also be chomping at the bit to play so maybe get him in so maybe Hughton should stay well away.
Manager first and players next otherwise we may have a season of inconsistency!
Would you leave a club who just gained premier league status to join a club for lower football and probably lower wages?
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: I think getting a quality manager in ASAP is more important than whether or not we sell Ulloa! IMO he's worth no more than £5m as he lacks pace. Is he better than Zamora Or Murray?...probably not but they are not the answer either! Sell Ulloa and get Wood back as I can see a partnership between him and CMS being fruitful. Becchio must also be chomping at the bit to play so maybe get him in so maybe Hughton should stay well away. Manager first and players next otherwise we may have a season of inconsistency![/p][/quote]Would you leave a club who just gained premier league status to join a club for lower football and probably lower wages? mark by the sea
  • Score: -4

2:25pm Tue 27 May 14

rolivan says...

There is only one real issue here and that is does he really want to stay . He might end up like Liam and pick up an "injury" and not be fit until The window opens again in January
There is only one real issue here and that is does he really want to stay . He might end up like Liam and pick up an "injury" and not be fit until The window opens again in January rolivan
  • Score: 1

2:27pm Tue 27 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

rolivan wrote:
There is only one real issue here and that is does he really want to stay . He might end up like Liam and pick up an "injury" and not be fit until The window opens again in January
I'm not sure I'd want to buy a player that has been faking an injury for weeks/months. How fit will he be? What's to stop him shafting his new club as and when he gets bored? Bridcutt hardly set the Premier League on fire when he moved - a salient lesson for all :-)
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: There is only one real issue here and that is does he really want to stay . He might end up like Liam and pick up an "injury" and not be fit until The window opens again in January[/p][/quote]I'm not sure I'd want to buy a player that has been faking an injury for weeks/months. How fit will he be? What's to stop him shafting his new club as and when he gets bored? Bridcutt hardly set the Premier League on fire when he moved - a salient lesson for all :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

2:30pm Tue 27 May 14

AburridoEnTrabajo says...

I doubt we'll sell Leo until we get a new manager in because selling your main goal scorer without having a replacememnt lined up sends out the wrong message. However if we do sell him, I'd take 4 million plus Chris Wood, and we could use that 4 million to buy Assombalonga from Posh. We need to rebuild and we need to bring in young up and coming players.
I doubt we'll sell Leo until we get a new manager in because selling your main goal scorer without having a replacememnt lined up sends out the wrong message. However if we do sell him, I'd take 4 million plus Chris Wood, and we could use that 4 million to buy Assombalonga from Posh. We need to rebuild and we need to bring in young up and coming players. AburridoEnTrabajo
  • Score: 2

2:32pm Tue 27 May 14

lighteninglee says...

we can't afford to let him go. we have sod all of a starting 11 as it is. which ever manager comes here has got a big enough job of building a team for the start of the season lets not make it harder for them.
we can't afford to let him go. we have sod all of a starting 11 as it is. which ever manager comes here has got a big enough job of building a team for the start of the season lets not make it harder for them. lighteninglee
  • Score: 9

2:33pm Tue 27 May 14

Uckfield Seagull says...

If we get a top class manager in then I am sure players will want to stay, hate all this speculation when we have nobody in charge, lets get our strategy in place and then worry about who leaves and goes, only thing in my mind at the moment is who is going to be our manager
If we get a top class manager in then I am sure players will want to stay, hate all this speculation when we have nobody in charge, lets get our strategy in place and then worry about who leaves and goes, only thing in my mind at the moment is who is going to be our manager Uckfield Seagull
  • Score: 16

2:36pm Tue 27 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

lighteninglee wrote:
we can't afford to let him go. we have sod all of a starting 11 as it is. which ever manager comes here has got a big enough job of building a team for the start of the season lets not make it harder for them.
true but, slap an extra 7 or 8 million in his hand, this money added to what ever the budget is, and this would help him in his rebuilding task, wouldn't it?
[quote][p][bold]lighteninglee[/bold] wrote: we can't afford to let him go. we have sod all of a starting 11 as it is. which ever manager comes here has got a big enough job of building a team for the start of the season lets not make it harder for them.[/p][/quote]true but, slap an extra 7 or 8 million in his hand, this money added to what ever the budget is, and this would help him in his rebuilding task, wouldn't it? VegasSeagull
  • Score: -4

2:44pm Tue 27 May 14

bruce beckett says...

We were riding the crest of a wave when the Amex opened. Now, I fear we are on a downward spiral.

Even with the best crowds in the Championship, it seems that Brighton are not a big enough club for some...notably Poyet, Garcia and our better players.

I don't blame Matty Upson for joining Leicester and having one last crack at the Premier League. Nor Stephen Ward if he decides to go to the highest bidder. It's their livelihood and they have to look after their families.

Now it seems inevitable Leo will leave too.

Money talks in football these days. I just hope that whatever fee we receive for him we spend it wisely. Looks like the new man in charge is going to have a massive rebuilding job on his hands. Least we have a few youngsters (JFC, Ince, Solly) to build around.

Right now, our dream of reaching the Premier League seems further away than ever. We need an inspired choice of manager – and a few quality signings – to raise our spirits. UTA!
We were riding the crest of a wave when the Amex opened. Now, I fear we are on a downward spiral. Even with the best crowds in the Championship, it seems that Brighton are not a big enough club for some...notably Poyet, Garcia and our better players. I don't blame Matty Upson for joining Leicester and having one last crack at the Premier League. Nor Stephen Ward if he decides to go to the highest bidder. It's their livelihood and they have to look after their families. Now it seems inevitable Leo will leave too. Money talks in football these days. I just hope that whatever fee we receive for him we spend it wisely. Looks like the new man in charge is going to have a massive rebuilding job on his hands. Least we have a few youngsters (JFC, Ince, Solly) to build around. Right now, our dream of reaching the Premier League seems further away than ever. We need an inspired choice of manager – and a few quality signings – to raise our spirits. UTA! bruce beckett
  • Score: 22

2:49pm Tue 27 May 14

mikeygit says...

How important is Ulloa to us?' VERY--I would say as that really only leaves us CMS who as yet is unproven from injury. Another important factor to consider is that now we have lost or sold a worrying amount of first team player--to name a few--Barnes, Bridcutt, El Abd, Conway, Upson, Ward, Lopez Orlandi, Tomaz, Brezovan and Hoskins---and a few DS players--and ONE in at present. This is going to be a BIG task for the new manager to re-build a side to challenge for the Premiership. I know every player has his price but for me enough is enough at present UNLESS a quality and cheaper replacement is already lined up. As I said the other day BHA CANNOT keep selling the ´family ´silver!!
How important is Ulloa to us?' VERY--I would say as that really only leaves us CMS who as yet is unproven from injury. Another important factor to consider is that now we have lost or sold a worrying amount of first team player--to name a few--Barnes, Bridcutt, El Abd, Conway, Upson, Ward, Lopez Orlandi, Tomaz, Brezovan and Hoskins---and a few DS players--and ONE in at present. This is going to be a BIG task for the new manager to re-build a side to challenge for the Premiership. I know every player has his price but for me enough is enough at present UNLESS a quality and cheaper replacement is already lined up. As I said the other day BHA CANNOT keep selling the ´family ´silver!! mikeygit
  • Score: 9

2:51pm Tue 27 May 14

lighteninglee says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
lighteninglee wrote:
we can't afford to let him go. we have sod all of a starting 11 as it is. which ever manager comes here has got a big enough job of building a team for the start of the season lets not make it harder for them.
true but, slap an extra 7 or 8 million in his hand, this money added to what ever the budget is, and this would help him in his rebuilding task, wouldn't it?
maybe so but for the fact the start of the season is gettin closer by the day and we don't even have a manager plus can't see much transfer activity during the world cup so that's even less time not saying we are after world cup players but activity is always quiet during the tournament.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lighteninglee[/bold] wrote: we can't afford to let him go. we have sod all of a starting 11 as it is. which ever manager comes here has got a big enough job of building a team for the start of the season lets not make it harder for them.[/p][/quote]true but, slap an extra 7 or 8 million in his hand, this money added to what ever the budget is, and this would help him in his rebuilding task, wouldn't it?[/p][/quote]maybe so but for the fact the start of the season is gettin closer by the day and we don't even have a manager plus can't see much transfer activity during the world cup so that's even less time not saying we are after world cup players but activity is always quiet during the tournament. lighteninglee
  • Score: 0

2:51pm Tue 27 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Uckfield Seagull wrote:
If we get a top class manager in then I am sure players will want to stay, hate all this speculation when we have nobody in charge, lets get our strategy in place and then worry about who leaves and goes, only thing in my mind at the moment is who is going to be our manager
Why would Leo want to stay? His wages would likely double , he would sort his pension , his career to date has not been overly exciting ,
What is Leo got to think about? Let's suppose his wages are now 15 k a week, Leicester would probably pay 30k plus target bonus payments .. Or he stays here another year, maybe picks up a injury ? What has he got to lose by leaving I think is more the question ?
The offer of 3 million is to open the player to suggestions of his future , maybe his agent will advise him to ask for a move.. The mess this club is in again with losing a manager must rest in Leo head..
Would any of you leave your job for double your wages and a lump sum up front somewhere else? Leo has 5 years left to earn top money,
[quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: If we get a top class manager in then I am sure players will want to stay, hate all this speculation when we have nobody in charge, lets get our strategy in place and then worry about who leaves and goes, only thing in my mind at the moment is who is going to be our manager[/p][/quote]Why would Leo want to stay? His wages would likely double , he would sort his pension , his career to date has not been overly exciting , What is Leo got to think about? Let's suppose his wages are now 15 k a week, Leicester would probably pay 30k plus target bonus payments .. Or he stays here another year, maybe picks up a injury ? What has he got to lose by leaving I think is more the question ? The offer of 3 million is to open the player to suggestions of his future , maybe his agent will advise him to ask for a move.. The mess this club is in again with losing a manager must rest in Leo head.. Would any of you leave your job for double your wages and a lump sum up front somewhere else? Leo has 5 years left to earn top money, mark by the sea
  • Score: 8

2:58pm Tue 27 May 14

stonegold says...

Did somebody really suggest Zamora as a potential striking option? Get real - why risk tarnishing the legend? He's well past his best (and currently on £70K per week under his expiring contract)!

If we got anything near £7m for Leo that would be a good return PROVIDED THAT all of it was reinvested in the team.
Did somebody really suggest Zamora as a potential striking option? Get real - why risk tarnishing the legend? He's well past his best (and currently on £70K per week under his expiring contract)! If we got anything near £7m for Leo that would be a good return PROVIDED THAT all of it was reinvested in the team. stonegold
  • Score: 3

3:00pm Tue 27 May 14

Baldseagull says...

Pointless
Pointless Baldseagull
  • Score: 6

3:01pm Tue 27 May 14

Rhodes Seagull says...

DuncanThickett wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote:
This has got to be the most ambiguous question posted this year "How key is Ulloa to the Seagulls?"
Mmm Probably the one player we really need to keep hold of when we join Leicester in the premiership at the end of the coming season!!!!
Accurate apart from one word - not 'join', but 'replace'...
Cannot argue that point.
But surely the club should not be even looking at offers for any players at this time, we still don't have a manager and to sell a player like Leo then take on a new manager and expect him to take us to the top with our best player going out the door is IMO not a good idea.
Lets get the manager sorted first then maybe talk who may come and go, I am still against this formula of someone in the back-room deciding who we sell and buy that is and should always be the managers job if he gets it right everyone is happy if he gets it wrong he is shown the door but to get it wrong and then get the blame because of someone else's decision !!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]DuncanThickett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: This has got to be the most ambiguous question posted this year "How key is Ulloa to the Seagulls?" Mmm Probably the one player we really need to keep hold of when we join Leicester in the premiership at the end of the coming season!!!![/p][/quote]Accurate apart from one word - not 'join', but 'replace'...[/p][/quote]Cannot argue that point. But surely the club should not be even looking at offers for any players at this time, we still don't have a manager and to sell a player like Leo then take on a new manager and expect him to take us to the top with our best player going out the door is IMO not a good idea. Lets get the manager sorted first then maybe talk who may come and go, I am still against this formula of someone in the back-room deciding who we sell and buy that is and should always be the managers job if he gets it right everyone is happy if he gets it wrong he is shown the door but to get it wrong and then get the blame because of someone else's decision !!!!!!!! Rhodes Seagull
  • Score: 2

3:04pm Tue 27 May 14

Alan G Skinner says...

Leo is not replaceable when you are in the Championship, we were very fortunate to get him in the first place. If we harbour genuine ambition to get to the Premier League and frankly we ABSOLUTELY should given our WORLD CLASS stadium, training ground and huge support , you cannot sell top class strikers like Leo. I think we are all sick of hearing "it is very difficult to get good strikers because they are very expensive or they don't want to come to the Championship". Teams will try to steal our gems while uncertainty remains over our Managerial appointment. Yes we must make the right appointment but we also need to steady the ship. I absolutely believe we have had high calibre candidates for the job, why not, look at our infrastructure, assets and support, look at what we have achieved in the last few years, we stand on the cusp of promotion, we are Premier League ready. God Bless Brighton and Hove Albion.
Leo is not replaceable when you are in the Championship, we were very fortunate to get him in the first place. If we harbour genuine ambition to get to the Premier League and frankly we ABSOLUTELY should given our WORLD CLASS stadium, training ground and huge support , you cannot sell top class strikers like Leo. I think we are all sick of hearing "it is very difficult to get good strikers because they are very expensive or they don't want to come to the Championship". Teams will try to steal our gems while uncertainty remains over our Managerial appointment. Yes we must make the right appointment but we also need to steady the ship. I absolutely believe we have had high calibre candidates for the job, why not, look at our infrastructure, assets and support, look at what we have achieved in the last few years, we stand on the cusp of promotion, we are Premier League ready. God Bless Brighton and Hove Albion. Alan G Skinner
  • Score: 10

3:10pm Tue 27 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Clement reportedly says no to us and West Brom, he appears to want to wait just one more year before entering into management.
Clement reportedly says no to us and West Brom, he appears to want to wait just one more year before entering into management. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

3:11pm Tue 27 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
Leo is not replaceable when you are in the Championship, we were very fortunate to get him in the first place. If we harbour genuine ambition to get to the Premier League and frankly we ABSOLUTELY should given our WORLD CLASS stadium, training ground and huge support , you cannot sell top class strikers like Leo. I think we are all sick of hearing "it is very difficult to get good strikers because they are very expensive or they don't want to come to the Championship". Teams will try to steal our gems while uncertainty remains over our Managerial appointment. Yes we must make the right appointment but we also need to steady the ship. I absolutely believe we have had high calibre candidates for the job, why not, look at our infrastructure, assets and support, look at what we have achieved in the last few years, we stand on the cusp of promotion, we are Premier League ready. God Bless Brighton and Hove Albion.
At some point , someone needs to stand up and say where this club is going, if we are genuine about premiership football then we need to look at Leicester city, they have had Pearson there a long while, and more importantly backed him with funds to deliver ..in that we need to do exactly the same, Southampton before that, they could have sold Lambert and cashed in, but they stuck at it, changed managers but the principles over keeping a experienced goal scorer was maintained .
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: Leo is not replaceable when you are in the Championship, we were very fortunate to get him in the first place. If we harbour genuine ambition to get to the Premier League and frankly we ABSOLUTELY should given our WORLD CLASS stadium, training ground and huge support , you cannot sell top class strikers like Leo. I think we are all sick of hearing "it is very difficult to get good strikers because they are very expensive or they don't want to come to the Championship". Teams will try to steal our gems while uncertainty remains over our Managerial appointment. Yes we must make the right appointment but we also need to steady the ship. I absolutely believe we have had high calibre candidates for the job, why not, look at our infrastructure, assets and support, look at what we have achieved in the last few years, we stand on the cusp of promotion, we are Premier League ready. God Bless Brighton and Hove Albion.[/p][/quote]At some point , someone needs to stand up and say where this club is going, if we are genuine about premiership football then we need to look at Leicester city, they have had Pearson there a long while, and more importantly backed him with funds to deliver ..in that we need to do exactly the same, Southampton before that, they could have sold Lambert and cashed in, but they stuck at it, changed managers but the principles over keeping a experienced goal scorer was maintained . mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

3:25pm Tue 27 May 14

rolivan says...

I don't know how much Leo is on but if you add what he has cost in wages plus £2m and then double it it might be nearer to his worth than the reported £3 million being offered.
I don't know how much Leo is on but if you add what he has cost in wages plus £2m and then double it it might be nearer to his worth than the reported £3 million being offered. rolivan
  • Score: 2

3:26pm Tue 27 May 14

gobias industries says...

lotsofducks wrote:
gobias industries wrote:
In my view, not key at all. He only played well when the cameras were on last season and spent a lot of the time huffing and puffing without contributing that much. The only decent thing he did was the goal against Hull. I would take anything over £5m to be honest
What a bizarre comment! He was our top scorer and didn't play for almost one third of the season! We didn't have hat may games televised I don't think...
No particularly bizarre. He is injury prone, on big wages and scored the vast majority of his goals from inside the six yard box. He does very little to bring others into play and got totally out-muscled by

Give Glenn Murray the ball and he will create something out of nothing. Give Leo the ball and, last season, he fell over...
[quote][p][bold]lotsofducks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gobias industries[/bold] wrote: In my view, not key at all. He only played well when the cameras were on last season and spent a lot of the time huffing and puffing without contributing that much. The only decent thing he did was the goal against Hull. I would take anything over £5m to be honest[/p][/quote]What a bizarre comment! He was our top scorer and didn't play for almost one third of the season! We didn't have hat may games televised I don't think...[/p][/quote]No particularly bizarre. He is injury prone, on big wages and scored the vast majority of his goals from inside the six yard box. He does very little to bring others into play and got totally out-muscled by Give Glenn Murray the ball and he will create something out of nothing. Give Leo the ball and, last season, he fell over... gobias industries
  • Score: -5

3:28pm Tue 27 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

When bids come in for any of our players, bids the likes of which we have never seen before, tough decisions have to be made.
If we forget about Ulloa for a moment, and just focus on a possible new striker to come in at a cost of 3.5 million, that would show some intent, and buying two such players would certainly get the fingers clicking on this site and lift spirits, but that brings us back to Ulloa. If selling Ulloa allows us to bring in two new strikers is that such a bad thing, what did Vokes and Ings cost Burnley, neither one was 3.5 million.
When bids come in for any of our players, bids the likes of which we have never seen before, tough decisions have to be made. If we forget about Ulloa for a moment, and just focus on a possible new striker to come in at a cost of 3.5 million, that would show some intent, and buying two such players would certainly get the fingers clicking on this site and lift spirits, but that brings us back to Ulloa. If selling Ulloa allows us to bring in two new strikers is that such a bad thing, what did Vokes and Ings cost Burnley, neither one was 3.5 million. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

3:32pm Tue 27 May 14

Conelli98 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
I think getting a quality manager in ASAP is more important than whether or not we sell Ulloa! IMO he's worth no more than £5m as he lacks pace. Is he better than Zamora Or Murray?...probably not but they are not the answer either! Sell Ulloa and get Wood back as I can see a partnership between him and CMS being fruitful. Becchio must also be chomping at the bit to play so maybe get him in so maybe Hughton should stay well away.
Manager first and players next otherwise we may have a season of inconsistency!
Would you leave a club who just gained premier league status to join a club for lower football and probably lower wages?
Woods would be further down the Leicester pecking order should Ulloa sign therefore wanting regular football! Maybe we can have him on loan for a season from them and just pay his wages!!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: I think getting a quality manager in ASAP is more important than whether or not we sell Ulloa! IMO he's worth no more than £5m as he lacks pace. Is he better than Zamora Or Murray?...probably not but they are not the answer either! Sell Ulloa and get Wood back as I can see a partnership between him and CMS being fruitful. Becchio must also be chomping at the bit to play so maybe get him in so maybe Hughton should stay well away. Manager first and players next otherwise we may have a season of inconsistency![/p][/quote]Would you leave a club who just gained premier league status to join a club for lower football and probably lower wages?[/p][/quote]Woods would be further down the Leicester pecking order should Ulloa sign therefore wanting regular football! Maybe we can have him on loan for a season from them and just pay his wages!! Conelli98
  • Score: 0

3:34pm Tue 27 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

gobias industries wrote:
lotsofducks wrote:
gobias industries wrote:
In my view, not key at all. He only played well when the cameras were on last season and spent a lot of the time huffing and puffing without contributing that much. The only decent thing he did was the goal against Hull. I would take anything over £5m to be honest
What a bizarre comment! He was our top scorer and didn't play for almost one third of the season! We didn't have hat may games televised I don't think...
No particularly bizarre. He is injury prone, on big wages and scored the vast majority of his goals from inside the six yard box. He does very little to bring others into play and got totally out-muscled by

Give Glenn Murray the ball and he will create something out of nothing. Give Leo the ball and, last season, he fell over...
Injury prone? One proper injury in 18 months.
Most of his goals from inside the six yards box? Even if true, who else is going to convert those chances? Fred Binney retired a LONG time ago.
[quote][p][bold]gobias industries[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lotsofducks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gobias industries[/bold] wrote: In my view, not key at all. He only played well when the cameras were on last season and spent a lot of the time huffing and puffing without contributing that much. The only decent thing he did was the goal against Hull. I would take anything over £5m to be honest[/p][/quote]What a bizarre comment! He was our top scorer and didn't play for almost one third of the season! We didn't have hat may games televised I don't think...[/p][/quote]No particularly bizarre. He is injury prone, on big wages and scored the vast majority of his goals from inside the six yard box. He does very little to bring others into play and got totally out-muscled by Give Glenn Murray the ball and he will create something out of nothing. Give Leo the ball and, last season, he fell over...[/p][/quote]Injury prone? One proper injury in 18 months. Most of his goals from inside the six yards box? Even if true, who else is going to convert those chances? Fred Binney retired a LONG time ago. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 7

3:36pm Tue 27 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
When bids come in for any of our players, bids the likes of which we have never seen before, tough decisions have to be made.
If we forget about Ulloa for a moment, and just focus on a possible new striker to come in at a cost of 3.5 million, that would show some intent, and buying two such players would certainly get the fingers clicking on this site and lift spirits, but that brings us back to Ulloa. If selling Ulloa allows us to bring in two new strikers is that such a bad thing, what did Vokes and Ings cost Burnley, neither one was 3.5 million.
I just took a quick look at Burnley's Vokes and Ings, it seems their the combined purchase price was about 1.5 million.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: When bids come in for any of our players, bids the likes of which we have never seen before, tough decisions have to be made. If we forget about Ulloa for a moment, and just focus on a possible new striker to come in at a cost of 3.5 million, that would show some intent, and buying two such players would certainly get the fingers clicking on this site and lift spirits, but that brings us back to Ulloa. If selling Ulloa allows us to bring in two new strikers is that such a bad thing, what did Vokes and Ings cost Burnley, neither one was 3.5 million.[/p][/quote]I just took a quick look at Burnley's Vokes and Ings, it seems their the combined purchase price was about 1.5 million. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

3:44pm Tue 27 May 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

AburridoEnTrabajo wrote:
I doubt we'll sell Leo until we get a new manager in because selling your main goal scorer without having a replacememnt lined up sends out the wrong message. However if we do sell him, I'd take 4 million plus Chris Wood, and we could use that 4 million to buy Assombalonga from Posh. We need to rebuild and we need to bring in young up and coming players.
Hola! Very good points especially re Assombalonga- 65 goals in 131 appearances!
Would fit in nicely with Kaz and Toko- all of similar age and same birthplace.
Not 100% sure re Wood but nevertheless good ideas.
[quote][p][bold]AburridoEnTrabajo[/bold] wrote: I doubt we'll sell Leo until we get a new manager in because selling your main goal scorer without having a replacememnt lined up sends out the wrong message. However if we do sell him, I'd take 4 million plus Chris Wood, and we could use that 4 million to buy Assombalonga from Posh. We need to rebuild and we need to bring in young up and coming players.[/p][/quote]Hola! Very good points especially re Assombalonga- 65 goals in 131 appearances! Would fit in nicely with Kaz and Toko- all of similar age and same birthplace. Not 100% sure re Wood but nevertheless good ideas. SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 3

3:45pm Tue 27 May 14

Conelli98 says...

Sky bet... Tim Sherwood gone from 4th favourite at 6/1 to favourite at Evens in last ten minutes!
Sky bet... Tim Sherwood gone from 4th favourite at 6/1 to favourite at Evens in last ten minutes! Conelli98
  • Score: 0

4:02pm Tue 27 May 14

pte says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
When bids come in for any of our players, bids the likes of which we have never seen before, tough decisions have to be made.
If we forget about Ulloa for a moment, and just focus on a possible new striker to come in at a cost of 3.5 million, that would show some intent, and buying two such players would certainly get the fingers clicking on this site and lift spirits, but that brings us back to Ulloa. If selling Ulloa allows us to bring in two new strikers is that such a bad thing, what did Vokes and Ings cost Burnley, neither one was 3.5 million.
I just took a quick look at Burnley's Vokes and Ings, it seems their the combined purchase price was about 1.5 million.
So the key to success is to hover round mid table with no decent strikers for a few years so your better players don't get noticed and snapped up as you slowly build from the DS, then hope you pick up a couple of strikers on the cheap to make a challenge.

Burnley sold Austin but made it without him. QPR with him nearly didnt
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: When bids come in for any of our players, bids the likes of which we have never seen before, tough decisions have to be made. If we forget about Ulloa for a moment, and just focus on a possible new striker to come in at a cost of 3.5 million, that would show some intent, and buying two such players would certainly get the fingers clicking on this site and lift spirits, but that brings us back to Ulloa. If selling Ulloa allows us to bring in two new strikers is that such a bad thing, what did Vokes and Ings cost Burnley, neither one was 3.5 million.[/p][/quote]I just took a quick look at Burnley's Vokes and Ings, it seems their the combined purchase price was about 1.5 million.[/p][/quote]So the key to success is to hover round mid table with no decent strikers for a few years so your better players don't get noticed and snapped up as you slowly build from the DS, then hope you pick up a couple of strikers on the cheap to make a challenge. Burnley sold Austin but made it without him. QPR with him nearly didnt pte
  • Score: 1

4:14pm Tue 27 May 14

SonnyJim55 says...

On the manager front, I see that TS who was the initial favourite a couple of weeks ago was out to 6/1 last night with Clement & Hughton both around the 6/4 mark......however on checking just now TS is now favourite again at odds of between Evens and 4/6 with Clement & Hughton at about 5 or 6/1. I think we might have answer to the question very soon
On the manager front, I see that TS who was the initial favourite a couple of weeks ago was out to 6/1 last night with Clement & Hughton both around the 6/4 mark......however on checking just now TS is now favourite again at odds of between Evens and 4/6 with Clement & Hughton at about 5 or 6/1. I think we might have answer to the question very soon SonnyJim55
  • Score: 2

4:19pm Tue 27 May 14

DuncanThickett says...

If the Albion were sponsored by ITV, all such decisions about who we buy and sell would be decided by the likes of us via a phone vote, with Holly Willoughby breaking the good or bad news in dramatic fashion, and the premium rate call cost going towards AITC. We all want our bit of input...it might just work.... :)
If the Albion were sponsored by ITV, all such decisions about who we buy and sell would be decided by the likes of us via a phone vote, with Holly Willoughby breaking the good or bad news in dramatic fashion, and the premium rate call cost going towards AITC. We all want our bit of input...it might just work.... :) DuncanThickett
  • Score: 2

4:23pm Tue 27 May 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Sky bet... Tim Sherwood gone from 4th favourite at 6/1 to favourite at Evens in last ten minutes!
Happy to know these guys have their finger on the pulse.

Everybody has more info than the Argus,is there an insider giving secrets away.
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Sky bet... Tim Sherwood gone from 4th favourite at 6/1 to favourite at Evens in last ten minutes![/p][/quote]Happy to know these guys have their finger on the pulse. Everybody has more info than the Argus,is there an insider giving secrets away. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 0

4:23pm Tue 27 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

pte wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
When bids come in for any of our players, bids the likes of which we have never seen before, tough decisions have to be made.
If we forget about Ulloa for a moment, and just focus on a possible new striker to come in at a cost of 3.5 million, that would show some intent, and buying two such players would certainly get the fingers clicking on this site and lift spirits, but that brings us back to Ulloa. If selling Ulloa allows us to bring in two new strikers is that such a bad thing, what did Vokes and Ings cost Burnley, neither one was 3.5 million.
I just took a quick look at Burnley's Vokes and Ings, it seems their the combined purchase price was about 1.5 million.
So the key to success is to hover round mid table with no decent strikers for a few years so your better players don't get noticed and snapped up as you slowly build from the DS, then hope you pick up a couple of strikers on the cheap to make a challenge.

Burnley sold Austin but made it without him. QPR with him nearly didnt
Building a promotion squad in just one season, 'normally,' costs a bucket load of cash, cash we won't be spending because we don't have it. We have, imho, to build year on year, progressively improving the squad and progressively reducing the age of our squad.
Players such as Leo will always attract suitors and it might be that the size of the bids for him force our hand, but tht is part and parcel of building a good squad. How we spend the money that comes in is the important thing, I doubt Southampton are best pleased about the attention some of their gems are getting.

There will come a time when the club says, 'ok this is the year,' and when that time comes we will have a solid core of quality players that just need a few extra faces to make the challenge. It doesn't really matter whether or not Ulloa is in that squad, just so long as the squad is capable. Ulloa will have a baring on our future, one way or the other, either he will be with us and scoring goals, or he would have been sold and the money used to bring in other key players for a promotion drive. I still think that we are two, or three seasons away from being serious contenders for the top two spots.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: When bids come in for any of our players, bids the likes of which we have never seen before, tough decisions have to be made. If we forget about Ulloa for a moment, and just focus on a possible new striker to come in at a cost of 3.5 million, that would show some intent, and buying two such players would certainly get the fingers clicking on this site and lift spirits, but that brings us back to Ulloa. If selling Ulloa allows us to bring in two new strikers is that such a bad thing, what did Vokes and Ings cost Burnley, neither one was 3.5 million.[/p][/quote]I just took a quick look at Burnley's Vokes and Ings, it seems their the combined purchase price was about 1.5 million.[/p][/quote]So the key to success is to hover round mid table with no decent strikers for a few years so your better players don't get noticed and snapped up as you slowly build from the DS, then hope you pick up a couple of strikers on the cheap to make a challenge. Burnley sold Austin but made it without him. QPR with him nearly didnt[/p][/quote]Building a promotion squad in just one season, 'normally,' costs a bucket load of cash, cash we won't be spending because we don't have it. We have, imho, to build year on year, progressively improving the squad and progressively reducing the age of our squad. Players such as Leo will always attract suitors and it might be that the size of the bids for him force our hand, but tht is part and parcel of building a good squad. How we spend the money that comes in is the important thing, I doubt Southampton are best pleased about the attention some of their gems are getting. There will come a time when the club says, 'ok this is the year,' and when that time comes we will have a solid core of quality players that just need a few extra faces to make the challenge. It doesn't really matter whether or not Ulloa is in that squad, just so long as the squad is capable. Ulloa will have a baring on our future, one way or the other, either he will be with us and scoring goals, or he would have been sold and the money used to bring in other key players for a promotion drive. I still think that we are two, or three seasons away from being serious contenders for the top two spots. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

4:35pm Tue 27 May 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Sky bet... Tim Sherwood gone from 4th favourite at 6/1 to favourite at Evens in last ten minutes!
Happy to know these guys have their finger on the pulse.

Everybody has more info than the Argus,is there an insider giving secrets away.
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Sky bet... Tim Sherwood gone from 4th favourite at 6/1 to favourite at Evens in last ten minutes![/p][/quote]Happy to know these guys have their finger on the pulse. Everybody has more info than the Argus,is there an insider giving secrets away. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -1

4:45pm Tue 27 May 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
pte wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
When bids come in for any of our players, bids the likes of which we have never seen before, tough decisions have to be made.
If we forget about Ulloa for a moment, and just focus on a possible new striker to come in at a cost of 3.5 million, that would show some intent, and buying two such players would certainly get the fingers clicking on this site and lift spirits, but that brings us back to Ulloa. If selling Ulloa allows us to bring in two new strikers is that such a bad thing, what did Vokes and Ings cost Burnley, neither one was 3.5 million.
I just took a quick look at Burnley's Vokes and Ings, it seems their the combined purchase price was about 1.5 million.
So the key to success is to hover round mid table with no decent strikers for a few years so your better players don't get noticed and snapped up as you slowly build from the DS, then hope you pick up a couple of strikers on the cheap to make a challenge.

Burnley sold Austin but made it without him. QPR with him nearly didnt
Building a promotion squad in just one season, 'normally,' costs a bucket load of cash, cash we won't be spending because we don't have it. We have, imho, to build year on year, progressively improving the squad and progressively reducing the age of our squad.
Players such as Leo will always attract suitors and it might be that the size of the bids for him force our hand, but tht is part and parcel of building a good squad. How we spend the money that comes in is the important thing, I doubt Southampton are best pleased about the attention some of their gems are getting.

There will come a time when the club says, 'ok this is the year,' and when that time comes we will have a solid core of quality players that just need a few extra faces to make the challenge. It doesn't really matter whether or not Ulloa is in that squad, just so long as the squad is capable. Ulloa will have a baring on our future, one way or the other, either he will be with us and scoring goals, or he would have been sold and the money used to bring in other key players for a promotion drive. I still think that we are two, or three seasons away from being serious contenders for the top two spots.
The squad getting younger? You mean allowing bridcutt and Barnes to leave but keep Calderon Greer ?
You can't build a squad over a few years while allowing players to leave unless your producing them .. But name a 25 goal striker who would come here with experience who is not injury prone? We can't throw 3-4 year deals at the likes of Hoskins holroyd bergkamp , then realise like spurs have done you end up with 10 average players all on good money not producing.
Who is to say we won't be in bottom 8 next season , unless there is real money to spend and quality is found ( what I mean is jones does not have a say) quality does not come cheap,
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: When bids come in for any of our players, bids the likes of which we have never seen before, tough decisions have to be made. If we forget about Ulloa for a moment, and just focus on a possible new striker to come in at a cost of 3.5 million, that would show some intent, and buying two such players would certainly get the fingers clicking on this site and lift spirits, but that brings us back to Ulloa. If selling Ulloa allows us to bring in two new strikers is that such a bad thing, what did Vokes and Ings cost Burnley, neither one was 3.5 million.[/p][/quote]I just took a quick look at Burnley's Vokes and Ings, it seems their the combined purchase price was about 1.5 million.[/p][/quote]So the key to success is to hover round mid table with no decent strikers for a few years so your better players don't get noticed and snapped up as you slowly build from the DS, then hope you pick up a couple of strikers on the cheap to make a challenge. Burnley sold Austin but made it without him. QPR with him nearly didnt[/p][/quote]Building a promotion squad in just one season, 'normally,' costs a bucket load of cash, cash we won't be spending because we don't have it. We have, imho, to build year on year, progressively improving the squad and progressively reducing the age of our squad. Players such as Leo will always attract suitors and it might be that the size of the bids for him force our hand, but tht is part and parcel of building a good squad. How we spend the money that comes in is the important thing, I doubt Southampton are best pleased about the attention some of their gems are getting. There will come a time when the club says, 'ok this is the year,' and when that time comes we will have a solid core of quality players that just need a few extra faces to make the challenge. It doesn't really matter whether or not Ulloa is in that squad, just so long as the squad is capable. Ulloa will have a baring on our future, one way or the other, either he will be with us and scoring goals, or he would have been sold and the money used to bring in other key players for a promotion drive. I still think that we are two, or three seasons away from being serious contenders for the top two spots.[/p][/quote]The squad getting younger? You mean allowing bridcutt and Barnes to leave but keep Calderon Greer ? You can't build a squad over a few years while allowing players to leave unless your producing them .. But name a 25 goal striker who would come here with experience who is not injury prone? We can't throw 3-4 year deals at the likes of Hoskins holroyd bergkamp , then realise like spurs have done you end up with 10 average players all on good money not producing. Who is to say we won't be in bottom 8 next season , unless there is real money to spend and quality is found ( what I mean is jones does not have a say) quality does not come cheap, mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

4:52pm Tue 27 May 14

AburridoEnTrabajo says...

SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
AburridoEnTrabajo wrote:
I doubt we'll sell Leo until we get a new manager in because selling your main goal scorer without having a replacememnt lined up sends out the wrong message. However if we do sell him, I'd take 4 million plus Chris Wood, and we could use that 4 million to buy Assombalonga from Posh. We need to rebuild and we need to bring in young up and coming players.
Hola! Very good points especially re Assombalonga- 65 goals in 131 appearances!
Would fit in nicely with Kaz and Toko- all of similar age and same birthplace.
Not 100% sure re Wood but nevertheless good ideas.
I'm not too sure about Wood either, but he's still only 22 and he's been around the Championship for a couple of years now, scoring maybe a goal every 3 games. That should improve as he gets more experienced. The main reason I suggested him is he probably won't get in the Leicester squad next season, so they might be keen to do a deal involving him.
[quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AburridoEnTrabajo[/bold] wrote: I doubt we'll sell Leo until we get a new manager in because selling your main goal scorer without having a replacememnt lined up sends out the wrong message. However if we do sell him, I'd take 4 million plus Chris Wood, and we could use that 4 million to buy Assombalonga from Posh. We need to rebuild and we need to bring in young up and coming players.[/p][/quote]Hola! Very good points especially re Assombalonga- 65 goals in 131 appearances! Would fit in nicely with Kaz and Toko- all of similar age and same birthplace. Not 100% sure re Wood but nevertheless good ideas.[/p][/quote]I'm not too sure about Wood either, but he's still only 22 and he's been around the Championship for a couple of years now, scoring maybe a goal every 3 games. That should improve as he gets more experienced. The main reason I suggested him is he probably won't get in the Leicester squad next season, so they might be keen to do a deal involving him. AburridoEnTrabajo
  • Score: 2

4:52pm Tue 27 May 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
pte wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
When bids come in for any of our players, bids the likes of which we have never seen before, tough decisions have to be made.
If we forget about Ulloa for a moment, and just focus on a possible new striker to come in at a cost of 3.5 million, that would show some intent, and buying two such players would certainly get the fingers clicking on this site and lift spirits, but that brings us back to Ulloa. If selling Ulloa allows us to bring in two new strikers is that such a bad thing, what did Vokes and Ings cost Burnley, neither one was 3.5 million.
I just took a quick look at Burnley's Vokes and Ings, it seems their the combined purchase price was about 1.5 million.
So the key to success is to hover round mid table with no decent strikers for a few years so your better players don't get noticed and snapped up as you slowly build from the DS, then hope you pick up a couple of strikers on the cheap to make a challenge.

Burnley sold Austin but made it without him. QPR with him nearly didnt
Building a promotion squad in just one season, 'normally,' costs a bucket load of cash, cash we won't be spending because we don't have it. We have, imho, to build year on year, progressively improving the squad and progressively reducing the age of our squad.
Players such as Leo will always attract suitors and it might be that the size of the bids for him force our hand, but tht is part and parcel of building a good squad. How we spend the money that comes in is the important thing, I doubt Southampton are best pleased about the attention some of their gems are getting.

There will come a time when the club says, 'ok this is the year,' and when that time comes we will have a solid core of quality players that just need a few extra faces to make the challenge. It doesn't really matter whether or not Ulloa is in that squad, just so long as the squad is capable. Ulloa will have a baring on our future, one way or the other, either he will be with us and scoring goals, or he would have been sold and the money used to bring in other key players for a promotion drive. I still think that we are two, or three seasons away from being serious contenders for the top two spots.
Can agree with some Vegas,unfortunately,
the clock is ticking.

The premieriship is thinkiing about parachute payments coming down from 4 to 2 years for the relegated teams fines etc going to charity.

Reading might be sold for ONE pound new billionaire he will pay the 38 mill debt.

Is it not time to look for a russian,arab to buy the club.Something in the back of my tiny brain says THE CLUB IS FOR SALE and that is what B.B.B
are looking for.

Bloom is a gambler,love does not come into this.

I have always said MONEY MONEY or whas that ABBA.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: When bids come in for any of our players, bids the likes of which we have never seen before, tough decisions have to be made. If we forget about Ulloa for a moment, and just focus on a possible new striker to come in at a cost of 3.5 million, that would show some intent, and buying two such players would certainly get the fingers clicking on this site and lift spirits, but that brings us back to Ulloa. If selling Ulloa allows us to bring in two new strikers is that such a bad thing, what did Vokes and Ings cost Burnley, neither one was 3.5 million.[/p][/quote]I just took a quick look at Burnley's Vokes and Ings, it seems their the combined purchase price was about 1.5 million.[/p][/quote]So the key to success is to hover round mid table with no decent strikers for a few years so your better players don't get noticed and snapped up as you slowly build from the DS, then hope you pick up a couple of strikers on the cheap to make a challenge. Burnley sold Austin but made it without him. QPR with him nearly didnt[/p][/quote]Building a promotion squad in just one season, 'normally,' costs a bucket load of cash, cash we won't be spending because we don't have it. We have, imho, to build year on year, progressively improving the squad and progressively reducing the age of our squad. Players such as Leo will always attract suitors and it might be that the size of the bids for him force our hand, but tht is part and parcel of building a good squad. How we spend the money that comes in is the important thing, I doubt Southampton are best pleased about the attention some of their gems are getting. There will come a time when the club says, 'ok this is the year,' and when that time comes we will have a solid core of quality players that just need a few extra faces to make the challenge. It doesn't really matter whether or not Ulloa is in that squad, just so long as the squad is capable. Ulloa will have a baring on our future, one way or the other, either he will be with us and scoring goals, or he would have been sold and the money used to bring in other key players for a promotion drive. I still think that we are two, or three seasons away from being serious contenders for the top two spots.[/p][/quote]Can agree with some Vegas,unfortunately, the clock is ticking. The premieriship is thinkiing about parachute payments coming down from 4 to 2 years for the relegated teams fines etc going to charity. Reading might be sold for ONE pound new billionaire he will pay the 38 mill debt. Is it not time to look for a russian,arab to buy the club.Something in the back of my tiny brain says THE CLUB IS FOR SALE and that is what B.B.B are looking for. Bloom is a gambler,love does not come into this. I have always said MONEY MONEY or whas that ABBA. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -5

5:35pm Tue 27 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -6

5:41pm Tue 27 May 14

Neville says...

Ulloa was a good buy but he is limited.Defends well,great headerer of a ball but lacks pace and that important first touch and killer instinct. If the club get offered 5.5 m plus then he will go. Unfortunately at present with FFP etc we seem to be a selling club. I really hope this Manager situ is sorted this week and then whoever it is can stabilise the playing side and back up staff and get on with planning for the season.
QPR already in throes of challenging FFP in the courts and others to follow,talk about parachute payments changing,these rules are making it very difficult for clubs to plan ahead, unfortunately it seems different rules for different clubs.
Ulloa was a good buy but he is limited.Defends well,great headerer of a ball but lacks pace and that important first touch and killer instinct. If the club get offered 5.5 m plus then he will go. Unfortunately at present with FFP etc we seem to be a selling club. I really hope this Manager situ is sorted this week and then whoever it is can stabilise the playing side and back up staff and get on with planning for the season. QPR already in throes of challenging FFP in the courts and others to follow,talk about parachute payments changing,these rules are making it very difficult for clubs to plan ahead, unfortunately it seems different rules for different clubs. Neville
  • Score: 0

5:48pm Tue 27 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman.. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 6

5:56pm Tue 27 May 14

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

To be honest its not a debatable point on whether Ulloa stays of goes, I think it was always pretty much inevitable that if we failed to secure promotion our best would depart.

Its now just a question of who stomps up the highest bid, but I'm convinced that as soon as the bid reaches 5m he'll be gone. I actually think a whole host of clubs will eventually chase Ulloa, but particularly the three promoted clubs. Same reasons that Upson isn't coming back, and I suspect Ward also. Bigger pay packets await them all elsewhere after good showings in the Championship.

Brighton have one last chance to change that picture and that would be to offer Ulloa and possibly Ward a significant increase in salary to match what they could get from playing in the Premier Lge, but I don't see Bloom doing that because the club are 100% committed to remain within their wage structure.

Best deal for BHA right now would be to secure at least 5m or 6m for Ulloa, and sign Zamora and/or Murray, or both, with the proceeds. Then at least we won't operate next season entirely dependent on one key striker.
To be honest its not a debatable point on whether Ulloa stays of goes, I think it was always pretty much inevitable that if we failed to secure promotion our best would depart. Its now just a question of who stomps up the highest bid, but I'm convinced that as soon as the bid reaches 5m he'll be gone. I actually think a whole host of clubs will eventually chase Ulloa, but particularly the three promoted clubs. Same reasons that Upson isn't coming back, and I suspect Ward also. Bigger pay packets await them all elsewhere after good showings in the Championship. Brighton have one last chance to change that picture and that would be to offer Ulloa and possibly Ward a significant increase in salary to match what they could get from playing in the Premier Lge, but I don't see Bloom doing that because the club are 100% committed to remain within their wage structure. Best deal for BHA right now would be to secure at least 5m or 6m for Ulloa, and sign Zamora and/or Murray, or both, with the proceeds. Then at least we won't operate next season entirely dependent on one key striker. PressBoxTeaBoy
  • Score: 2

5:59pm Tue 27 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year?
Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year? Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note! mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

6:00pm Tue 27 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
A ten to fifteen million investment by a compnay the size of American Express would be considered small change, and easily covered by Bloom, but that same figure could buy the players required to get promoted.
It's a question of how money can be invested in buying new players whilst staying within the FFP guidelines. Bloom is only allowed to invest three million in new money, (you can check that but I think I am right) if we need new money, and thes millions don't come thru normal sponsorship deals, then why not engauge with American Express for further funding.

The FFP doesn't just look to control losses, it also has a big hand in what, 'type,' of money can be used and what for. Clubs up and down the country, and in all divisions, are looking for side or back doors to filter money thru to the squad.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]A ten to fifteen million investment by a compnay the size of American Express would be considered small change, and easily covered by Bloom, but that same figure could buy the players required to get promoted. It's a question of how money can be invested in buying new players whilst staying within the FFP guidelines. Bloom is only allowed to invest three million in new money, (you can check that but I think I am right) if we need new money, and thes millions don't come thru normal sponsorship deals, then why not engauge with American Express for further funding. The FFP doesn't just look to control losses, it also has a big hand in what, 'type,' of money can be used and what for. Clubs up and down the country, and in all divisions, are looking for side or back doors to filter money thru to the squad. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

6:07pm Tue 27 May 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

AburridoEnTrabajo wrote:
SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
AburridoEnTrabajo wrote:
I doubt we'll sell Leo until we get a new manager in because selling your main goal scorer without having a replacememnt lined up sends out the wrong message. However if we do sell him, I'd take 4 million plus Chris Wood, and we could use that 4 million to buy Assombalonga from Posh. We need to rebuild and we need to bring in young up and coming players.
Hola! Very good points especially re Assombalonga- 65 goals in 131 appearances!
Would fit in nicely with Kaz and Toko- all of similar age and same birthplace.
Not 100% sure re Wood but nevertheless good ideas.
I'm not too sure about Wood either, but he's still only 22 and he's been around the Championship for a couple of years now, scoring maybe a goal every 3 games. That should improve as he gets more experienced. The main reason I suggested him is he probably won't get in the Leicester squad next season, so they might be keen to do a deal involving him.
Yep I see your point now.He would be good in that 'hold the ball ' role and his height of 6 ft.3 in. a definite advantage.
[quote][p][bold]AburridoEnTrabajo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AburridoEnTrabajo[/bold] wrote: I doubt we'll sell Leo until we get a new manager in because selling your main goal scorer without having a replacememnt lined up sends out the wrong message. However if we do sell him, I'd take 4 million plus Chris Wood, and we could use that 4 million to buy Assombalonga from Posh. We need to rebuild and we need to bring in young up and coming players.[/p][/quote]Hola! Very good points especially re Assombalonga- 65 goals in 131 appearances! Would fit in nicely with Kaz and Toko- all of similar age and same birthplace. Not 100% sure re Wood but nevertheless good ideas.[/p][/quote]I'm not too sure about Wood either, but he's still only 22 and he's been around the Championship for a couple of years now, scoring maybe a goal every 3 games. That should improve as he gets more experienced. The main reason I suggested him is he probably won't get in the Leicester squad next season, so they might be keen to do a deal involving him.[/p][/quote]Yep I see your point now.He would be good in that 'hold the ball ' role and his height of 6 ft.3 in. a definite advantage. SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: -1

6:09pm Tue 27 May 14

hannover seagull says...

I think the new manager should decide if Leo is for sale or not as he is still on a long contract
I have not been a fan of the lone striker method for the last two seasons as I feel it needs an absolute first class attacking midfield to work
Leo has done great with whats been provided with but in this division more than any IMHO strikers should hunt in pairs
Maybe the new guy will change it all around but,he should at least come before Leo goes
Got a funny feeling though that 7 mill will be enough for suits utd upstairs
UTA..
I think the new manager should decide if Leo is for sale or not as he is still on a long contract I have not been a fan of the lone striker method for the last two seasons as I feel it needs an absolute first class attacking midfield to work Leo has done great with whats been provided with but in this division more than any IMHO strikers should hunt in pairs Maybe the new guy will change it all around but,he should at least come before Leo goes Got a funny feeling though that 7 mill will be enough for suits utd upstairs UTA.. hannover seagull
  • Score: 2

6:18pm Tue 27 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Anthony 14 wrote:
If they offer £5m then we should let him go - will be a great deal for us.

Ulloa has been great for us, and will always be remembered for his goals against Palace last season and Forest this season. He seems like a top bloke as well.

His performances towards the end of the season were however becoming frustrating - and he seems to spend more time on the floor looking for free kicks than holding the ball up.

If it meant that we could bring back Murray or Zamora then we should offload Ulloa ASAP. No disrespect to Leo, but both those lads are loads better.
A fit Murray I would agree....sadly though, a double cruciate definitely leaves a player short of a few aspects of his game. Zamora - same thing - now injury prone.

It is important that, up until now, we do seem to have a record of bringing in a number of players who were, or began clearly struggling, fitness wise.....Vicente, Augustein, Orlandi, Buckley, Bruno, and Lua Lua for example.

Our recruitment experts certainly need to improve in that department.
[quote][p][bold]Anthony 14[/bold] wrote: If they offer £5m then we should let him go - will be a great deal for us. Ulloa has been great for us, and will always be remembered for his goals against Palace last season and Forest this season. He seems like a top bloke as well. His performances towards the end of the season were however becoming frustrating - and he seems to spend more time on the floor looking for free kicks than holding the ball up. If it meant that we could bring back Murray or Zamora then we should offload Ulloa ASAP. No disrespect to Leo, but both those lads are loads better.[/p][/quote]A fit Murray I would agree....sadly though, a double cruciate definitely leaves a player short of a few aspects of his game. Zamora - same thing - now injury prone. It is important that, up until now, we do seem to have a record of bringing in a number of players who were, or began clearly struggling, fitness wise.....Vicente, Augustein, Orlandi, Buckley, Bruno, and Lua Lua for example. Our recruitment experts certainly need to improve in that department. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 2

6:23pm Tue 27 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Approx 30 days till pre season training!
Club need to get finger out this week.
Approx 30 days till pre season training! Club need to get finger out this week. mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

6:31pm Tue 27 May 14

wildboi83 says...

Whats £7milliion compared to the windfull getting into the premiership? we should be keeping him!
Whats £7milliion compared to the windfull getting into the premiership? we should be keeping him! wildboi83
  • Score: 3

6:31pm Tue 27 May 14

lighteninglee says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Approx 30 days till pre season training!
Club need to get finger out this week.
totally agree mark Ive been saying for over a week that we need to start sorting things out considering the amount of gaps we need to fill in the team.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Approx 30 days till pre season training! Club need to get finger out this week.[/p][/quote]totally agree mark Ive been saying for over a week that we need to start sorting things out considering the amount of gaps we need to fill in the team. lighteninglee
  • Score: 2

6:33pm Tue 27 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
A ten to fifteen million investment by a compnay the size of American Express would be considered small change, and easily covered by Bloom, but that same figure could buy the players required to get promoted.
It's a question of how money can be invested in buying new players whilst staying within the FFP guidelines. Bloom is only allowed to invest three million in new money, (you can check that but I think I am right) if we need new money, and thes millions don't come thru normal sponsorship deals, then why not engauge with American Express for further funding.

The FFP doesn't just look to control losses, it also has a big hand in what, 'type,' of money can be used and what for. Clubs up and down the country, and in all divisions, are looking for side or back doors to filter money thru to the squad.
Talking about third party, corporate funding is one thing, suggesting pension fund reserves as the option is a completely different thing and a total non-starter! So let's bin that rather erm, 'quaint' notion and talk about external investment.
Now, the whys and wherefores of how external money fits into FFP are too complex for here, but in simple terms, as I understand it, if it's not sponsorship dough, you're talking exchange of equity because FFP won't let you chuck a big bag of anonymous cashinto a big black hole and TB won't relinquish any of that. His, has always been a position of sole ownership. Anyway, why effectively mortgage the club to the hilt with a third party on the basis of a wild punt with no guarantees? What happens when American Express (or whoever) comes knocking on the door asking for their money back?
"Eh, sorry, we haven't got it, we spent it all, but we're still in the Championship so can you wait a bit?
"Oh and by the way.. Please sir, can we have some more?"
I'd suggest this is exactly why they've been working so hard to turn round the deficit because funnily enough, there isn't anyone out there willing to hand over a big pile of cash for no reason.
On the other hand, Paul Barber might've read your earlier note and thought; "American Express! Yes, YES!! Why didn't I think of that?!!!"
But I doubt it..
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]A ten to fifteen million investment by a compnay the size of American Express would be considered small change, and easily covered by Bloom, but that same figure could buy the players required to get promoted. It's a question of how money can be invested in buying new players whilst staying within the FFP guidelines. Bloom is only allowed to invest three million in new money, (you can check that but I think I am right) if we need new money, and thes millions don't come thru normal sponsorship deals, then why not engauge with American Express for further funding. The FFP doesn't just look to control losses, it also has a big hand in what, 'type,' of money can be used and what for. Clubs up and down the country, and in all divisions, are looking for side or back doors to filter money thru to the squad.[/p][/quote]Talking about third party, corporate funding is one thing, suggesting pension fund reserves as the option is a completely different thing and a total non-starter! So let's bin that rather erm, 'quaint' notion and talk about external investment. Now, the whys and wherefores of how external money fits into FFP are too complex for here, but in simple terms, as I understand it, if it's not sponsorship dough, you're talking exchange of equity because FFP won't let you chuck a big bag of anonymous cashinto a big black hole and TB won't relinquish any of that. His, has always been a position of sole ownership. Anyway, why effectively mortgage the club to the hilt with a third party on the basis of a wild punt with no guarantees? What happens when American Express (or whoever) comes knocking on the door asking for their money back? "Eh, sorry, we haven't got it, we spent it all, but we're still in the Championship so can you wait a bit? "Oh and by the way.. Please sir, can we have some more?" I'd suggest this is exactly why they've been working so hard to turn round the deficit because funnily enough, there isn't anyone out there willing to hand over a big pile of cash for no reason. On the other hand, Paul Barber might've read your earlier note and thought; "American Express! Yes, YES!! Why didn't I think of that?!!!" But I doubt it.. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 6

6:42pm Tue 27 May 14

namgo49 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Interesting that we have allowed players to leave like Bennet and Noone to further there careers, we did little to stop bridcutt either.
If ulloa goes for the figure suggested of 7 million, ( his release clause I believe) then that's what we have done for the last 4 years, allow better players to step up into the higher league, and I don't have a problem with that.
However we must tie our assets down before clubs get wind of contract failings at this club, I don't want to spot the obvious , however we paid 3 million for CMS , who collected approx a million pounds last year for the benefit of about a hours football, he now has approx 7 months before he can talk to clubs about a contract in July 2015 .. Yes that's a long way away, but the guy will have cost us 6 million in wages and fees, and he will probably perform a blinder this season coming and walk off for a nice joining fee?
I can't see how the club can win really, if he fails to score or do enough, do we offer him a deal or let him just leave? Only to see him bang twenty for another club!,!!!!!
Ulloa will leave at some point, if we can replace him great, collect the cash and build a squad.
Spot on comment, well done.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Interesting that we have allowed players to leave like Bennet and Noone to further there careers, we did little to stop bridcutt either. If ulloa goes for the figure suggested of 7 million, ( his release clause I believe) then that's what we have done for the last 4 years, allow better players to step up into the higher league, and I don't have a problem with that. However we must tie our assets down before clubs get wind of contract failings at this club, I don't want to spot the obvious , however we paid 3 million for CMS , who collected approx a million pounds last year for the benefit of about a hours football, he now has approx 7 months before he can talk to clubs about a contract in July 2015 .. Yes that's a long way away, but the guy will have cost us 6 million in wages and fees, and he will probably perform a blinder this season coming and walk off for a nice joining fee? I can't see how the club can win really, if he fails to score or do enough, do we offer him a deal or let him just leave? Only to see him bang twenty for another club!,!!!!! Ulloa will leave at some point, if we can replace him great, collect the cash and build a squad.[/p][/quote]Spot on comment, well done. namgo49
  • Score: 0

6:47pm Tue 27 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Worth mentioning that QPR have also let the contracts runs down on about 8 first-teamers, including their keeper. It's not just us.
Worth mentioning that QPR have also let the contracts runs down on about 8 first-teamers, including their keeper. It's not just us. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

6:52pm Tue 27 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Worth mentioning that QPR have also let the contracts runs down on about 8 first-teamers, including their keeper. It's not just us.
Yes but Qpr pay top wages, so massive difference
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Worth mentioning that QPR have also let the contracts runs down on about 8 first-teamers, including their keeper. It's not just us.[/p][/quote]Yes but Qpr pay top wages, so massive difference mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

6:53pm Tue 27 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year?
Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note!
Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from?

My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year? Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note![/p][/quote]Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from? My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

6:53pm Tue 27 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Worth mentioning that QPR have also let the contracts runs down on about 8 first-teamers, including their keeper. It's not just us.
Yes but Qpr pay top wages, so massive difference
In what way?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Worth mentioning that QPR have also let the contracts runs down on about 8 first-teamers, including their keeper. It's not just us.[/p][/quote]Yes but Qpr pay top wages, so massive difference[/p][/quote]In what way? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

6:59pm Tue 27 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Worth mentioning that QPR have also let the contracts runs down on about 8 first-teamers, including their keeper. It's not just us.
Yes but Qpr pay top wages, so massive difference
In what way?
Players like Zamora won't get paid 70k a week anywhere in the world, same as Barton .. QPR wage bill higher than athletico Madrid infact 24 million less than them, joe Barton 50k a week, shall I name more clubs ? More players?
Just google QPR wages
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Worth mentioning that QPR have also let the contracts runs down on about 8 first-teamers, including their keeper. It's not just us.[/p][/quote]Yes but Qpr pay top wages, so massive difference[/p][/quote]In what way?[/p][/quote]Players like Zamora won't get paid 70k a week anywhere in the world, same as Barton .. QPR wage bill higher than athletico Madrid infact 24 million less than them, joe Barton 50k a week, shall I name more clubs ? More players? Just google QPR wages mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

7:01pm Tue 27 May 14

gordongull says...

The question should be, 'can we afford not to sell him?'
We only have half a team, and no new money has been generated by the players who have left. Money was available in January, but the signing of Dale Stephens and Nzuzi Toko will have made inroads into those funds.
If an offer of £7m lands on the table, I think it will be accepted immediately, so that David Burke can begin initial talks with the players he has identified as potential targets over the last few weeks.
So where does the new Manager figure in all of this?
In a February interview, David Burke is quoted as saying:
''My job is to ensure that the Head Coach and his staff can concentrate on coaching and working with the players on a day-to-day basis. Any other distractions around that, I take on.”
Two weeks ago, Paul Barber was quoted in the Argus' saying:
"The new position will also be the same role and have the same responsibilities as Oscar but, to avoid any ambiguity, we will revert to the title of manager."
Does any of this suggest that the successful applicant will be entrusted with any money available for transfers?
The most likely scenario will be be the DOF providing the new man with a list of potential signings whose price tag and wages are likely to fall within the player budget. Lifestyle, medical history, and other baggage are going to be increasingly important factors.
The Manager will then select players from the list, enabling Burke to begin negotiations.
The quality of those signings is likely to depend to a large extent on how much we get for Leo.
The question should be, 'can we afford not to sell him?' We only have half a team, and no new money has been generated by the players who have left. Money was available in January, but the signing of Dale Stephens and Nzuzi Toko will have made inroads into those funds. If an offer of £7m lands on the table, I think it will be accepted immediately, so that David Burke can begin initial talks with the players he has identified as potential targets over the last few weeks. So where does the new Manager figure in all of this? In a February interview, David Burke is quoted as saying: ''My job is to ensure that the Head Coach and his staff can concentrate on coaching and working with the players on a day-to-day basis. Any other distractions around that, I take on.” Two weeks ago, Paul Barber was quoted in the Argus' saying: "The new position will also be the same role and have the same responsibilities as Oscar but, to avoid any ambiguity, we will revert to the title of manager." Does any of this suggest that the successful applicant will be entrusted with any money available for transfers? The most likely scenario will be be the DOF providing the new man with a list of potential signings whose price tag and wages are likely to fall within the player budget. Lifestyle, medical history, and other baggage are going to be increasingly important factors. The Manager will then select players from the list, enabling Burke to begin negotiations. The quality of those signings is likely to depend to a large extent on how much we get for Leo. gordongull
  • Score: 1

7:02pm Tue 27 May 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year?
Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note!
Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from?

My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.
When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year? Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note![/p][/quote]Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from? My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.[/p][/quote]When was last time the Albion made a profit, ? mark by the sea
  • Score: -1

7:06pm Tue 27 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
A ten to fifteen million investment by a compnay the size of American Express would be considered small change, and easily covered by Bloom, but that same figure could buy the players required to get promoted.
It's a question of how money can be invested in buying new players whilst staying within the FFP guidelines. Bloom is only allowed to invest three million in new money, (you can check that but I think I am right) if we need new money, and thes millions don't come thru normal sponsorship deals, then why not engauge with American Express for further funding.

The FFP doesn't just look to control losses, it also has a big hand in what, 'type,' of money can be used and what for. Clubs up and down the country, and in all divisions, are looking for side or back doors to filter money thru to the squad.
Talking about third party, corporate funding is one thing, suggesting pension fund reserves as the option is a completely different thing and a total non-starter! So let's bin that rather erm, 'quaint' notion and talk about external investment.
Now, the whys and wherefores of how external money fits into FFP are too complex for here, but in simple terms, as I understand it, if it's not sponsorship dough, you're talking exchange of equity because FFP won't let you chuck a big bag of anonymous cashinto a big black hole and TB won't relinquish any of that. His, has always been a position of sole ownership. Anyway, why effectively mortgage the club to the hilt with a third party on the basis of a wild punt with no guarantees? What happens when American Express (or whoever) comes knocking on the door asking for their money back?
"Eh, sorry, we haven't got it, we spent it all, but we're still in the Championship so can you wait a bit?
"Oh and by the way.. Please sir, can we have some more?"
I'd suggest this is exactly why they've been working so hard to turn round the deficit because funnily enough, there isn't anyone out there willing to hand over a big pile of cash for no reason.
On the other hand, Paul Barber might've read your earlier note and thought; "American Express! Yes, YES!! Why didn't I think of that?!!!"
But I doubt it..
If, as it might, it turns out that American Express has bought the naming rights to our new facility, to go along with the stadium, they would have taken that money from somewhere within their business, and I don't really care from where.

Selling a small slice of the club to a company such as American Express, is not beyond the realms of possibility, we could build a very strong team with the addition of about 15 million to the transfer kitty. If such a company is not allowed to push money into the club, for transfers, in one way, then another can often be found, the FFP is not water tight.

You might think my thoughts are crazy, that's cool, but I prefer to think of them as, 'out of the box,' thinking, but not too far out of the box.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]A ten to fifteen million investment by a compnay the size of American Express would be considered small change, and easily covered by Bloom, but that same figure could buy the players required to get promoted. It's a question of how money can be invested in buying new players whilst staying within the FFP guidelines. Bloom is only allowed to invest three million in new money, (you can check that but I think I am right) if we need new money, and thes millions don't come thru normal sponsorship deals, then why not engauge with American Express for further funding. The FFP doesn't just look to control losses, it also has a big hand in what, 'type,' of money can be used and what for. Clubs up and down the country, and in all divisions, are looking for side or back doors to filter money thru to the squad.[/p][/quote]Talking about third party, corporate funding is one thing, suggesting pension fund reserves as the option is a completely different thing and a total non-starter! So let's bin that rather erm, 'quaint' notion and talk about external investment. Now, the whys and wherefores of how external money fits into FFP are too complex for here, but in simple terms, as I understand it, if it's not sponsorship dough, you're talking exchange of equity because FFP won't let you chuck a big bag of anonymous cashinto a big black hole and TB won't relinquish any of that. His, has always been a position of sole ownership. Anyway, why effectively mortgage the club to the hilt with a third party on the basis of a wild punt with no guarantees? What happens when American Express (or whoever) comes knocking on the door asking for their money back? "Eh, sorry, we haven't got it, we spent it all, but we're still in the Championship so can you wait a bit? "Oh and by the way.. Please sir, can we have some more?" I'd suggest this is exactly why they've been working so hard to turn round the deficit because funnily enough, there isn't anyone out there willing to hand over a big pile of cash for no reason. On the other hand, Paul Barber might've read your earlier note and thought; "American Express! Yes, YES!! Why didn't I think of that?!!!" But I doubt it..[/p][/quote]If, as it might, it turns out that American Express has bought the naming rights to our new facility, to go along with the stadium, they would have taken that money from somewhere within their business, and I don't really care from where. Selling a small slice of the club to a company such as American Express, is not beyond the realms of possibility, we could build a very strong team with the addition of about 15 million to the transfer kitty. If such a company is not allowed to push money into the club, for transfers, in one way, then another can often be found, the FFP is not water tight. You might think my thoughts are crazy, that's cool, but I prefer to think of them as, 'out of the box,' thinking, but not too far out of the box. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

7:18pm Tue 27 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year?
Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note!
Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from?

My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.
When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?
you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum.

Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year? Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note![/p][/quote]Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from? My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.[/p][/quote]When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?[/p][/quote]you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum. Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

7:28pm Tue 27 May 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year?
Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note!
Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from?

My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.
When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?
you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum.

Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.
Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even,
Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three,
What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year? Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note![/p][/quote]Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from? My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.[/p][/quote]When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?[/p][/quote]you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum. Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.[/p][/quote]Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even, Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three, What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment? mark by the sea
  • Score: -3

7:32pm Tue 27 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
A ten to fifteen million investment by a compnay the size of American Express would be considered small change, and easily covered by Bloom, but that same figure could buy the players required to get promoted.
It's a question of how money can be invested in buying new players whilst staying within the FFP guidelines. Bloom is only allowed to invest three million in new money, (you can check that but I think I am right) if we need new money, and thes millions don't come thru normal sponsorship deals, then why not engauge with American Express for further funding.

The FFP doesn't just look to control losses, it also has a big hand in what, 'type,' of money can be used and what for. Clubs up and down the country, and in all divisions, are looking for side or back doors to filter money thru to the squad.
Talking about third party, corporate funding is one thing, suggesting pension fund reserves as the option is a completely different thing and a total non-starter! So let's bin that rather erm, 'quaint' notion and talk about external investment.
Now, the whys and wherefores of how external money fits into FFP are too complex for here, but in simple terms, as I understand it, if it's not sponsorship dough, you're talking exchange of equity because FFP won't let you chuck a big bag of anonymous cashinto a big black hole and TB won't relinquish any of that. His, has always been a position of sole ownership. Anyway, why effectively mortgage the club to the hilt with a third party on the basis of a wild punt with no guarantees? What happens when American Express (or whoever) comes knocking on the door asking for their money back?
"Eh, sorry, we haven't got it, we spent it all, but we're still in the Championship so can you wait a bit?
"Oh and by the way.. Please sir, can we have some more?"
I'd suggest this is exactly why they've been working so hard to turn round the deficit because funnily enough, there isn't anyone out there willing to hand over a big pile of cash for no reason.
On the other hand, Paul Barber might've read your earlier note and thought; "American Express! Yes, YES!! Why didn't I think of that?!!!"
But I doubt it..
If, as it might, it turns out that American Express has bought the naming rights to our new facility, to go along with the stadium, they would have taken that money from somewhere within their business, and I don't really care from where.

Selling a small slice of the club to a company such as American Express, is not beyond the realms of possibility, we could build a very strong team with the addition of about 15 million to the transfer kitty. If such a company is not allowed to push money into the club, for transfers, in one way, then another can often be found, the FFP is not water tight.

You might think my thoughts are crazy, that's cool, but I prefer to think of them as, 'out of the box,' thinking, but not too far out of the box.
Vegas, you're moving the goalposts with each rehabilitative post.... and finally moving towards reality.
First, you replace "pension fund" with "business development fund". World of difference, but that's cool. Every corporation will have a marketing budget and they'll be looking for a return on that allocation.
Secondly, you move towards a basic business transaction by talking about naming rights and cash for corporate visibility. Again that's cool and perfectly legitimate.
If American Express (or anyone) are willing to pay money for an extended, bona-fide partnership package, then yep, of course it's possible. But your original incarnation was to take other people's ring-fenced money and simply offer it to the club with little or no guarantees. (Check your posts, because you did.)
Now, if the club can convince anyone to either add to their sponsorship exposure at BHA or initiate an involvement for significant money, then, game on. On that basis, forget FFP, as a corporate deal is fair game but it will be on the basis of corporate efficacy not charity..
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]A ten to fifteen million investment by a compnay the size of American Express would be considered small change, and easily covered by Bloom, but that same figure could buy the players required to get promoted. It's a question of how money can be invested in buying new players whilst staying within the FFP guidelines. Bloom is only allowed to invest three million in new money, (you can check that but I think I am right) if we need new money, and thes millions don't come thru normal sponsorship deals, then why not engauge with American Express for further funding. The FFP doesn't just look to control losses, it also has a big hand in what, 'type,' of money can be used and what for. Clubs up and down the country, and in all divisions, are looking for side or back doors to filter money thru to the squad.[/p][/quote]Talking about third party, corporate funding is one thing, suggesting pension fund reserves as the option is a completely different thing and a total non-starter! So let's bin that rather erm, 'quaint' notion and talk about external investment. Now, the whys and wherefores of how external money fits into FFP are too complex for here, but in simple terms, as I understand it, if it's not sponsorship dough, you're talking exchange of equity because FFP won't let you chuck a big bag of anonymous cashinto a big black hole and TB won't relinquish any of that. His, has always been a position of sole ownership. Anyway, why effectively mortgage the club to the hilt with a third party on the basis of a wild punt with no guarantees? What happens when American Express (or whoever) comes knocking on the door asking for their money back? "Eh, sorry, we haven't got it, we spent it all, but we're still in the Championship so can you wait a bit? "Oh and by the way.. Please sir, can we have some more?" I'd suggest this is exactly why they've been working so hard to turn round the deficit because funnily enough, there isn't anyone out there willing to hand over a big pile of cash for no reason. On the other hand, Paul Barber might've read your earlier note and thought; "American Express! Yes, YES!! Why didn't I think of that?!!!" But I doubt it..[/p][/quote]If, as it might, it turns out that American Express has bought the naming rights to our new facility, to go along with the stadium, they would have taken that money from somewhere within their business, and I don't really care from where. Selling a small slice of the club to a company such as American Express, is not beyond the realms of possibility, we could build a very strong team with the addition of about 15 million to the transfer kitty. If such a company is not allowed to push money into the club, for transfers, in one way, then another can often be found, the FFP is not water tight. You might think my thoughts are crazy, that's cool, but I prefer to think of them as, 'out of the box,' thinking, but not too far out of the box.[/p][/quote]Vegas, you're moving the goalposts with each rehabilitative post.... and finally moving towards reality. First, you replace "pension fund" with "business development fund". World of difference, but that's cool. Every corporation will have a marketing budget and they'll be looking for a return on that allocation. Secondly, you move towards a basic business transaction by talking about naming rights and cash for corporate visibility. Again that's cool and perfectly legitimate. If American Express (or anyone) are willing to pay money for an extended, bona-fide partnership package, then yep, of course it's possible. But your original incarnation was to take other people's ring-fenced money and simply offer it to the club with little or no guarantees. (Check your posts, because you did.) Now, if the club can convince anyone to either add to their sponsorship exposure at BHA or initiate an involvement for significant money, then, game on. On that basis, forget FFP, as a corporate deal is fair game but it will be on the basis of corporate efficacy not charity.. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 4

7:37pm Tue 27 May 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
A ten to fifteen million investment by a compnay the size of American Express would be considered small change, and easily covered by Bloom, but that same figure could buy the players required to get promoted.
It's a question of how money can be invested in buying new players whilst staying within the FFP guidelines. Bloom is only allowed to invest three million in new money, (you can check that but I think I am right) if we need new money, and thes millions don't come thru normal sponsorship deals, then why not engauge with American Express for further funding.

The FFP doesn't just look to control losses, it also has a big hand in what, 'type,' of money can be used and what for. Clubs up and down the country, and in all divisions, are looking for side or back doors to filter money thru to the squad.
Talking about third party, corporate funding is one thing, suggesting pension fund reserves as the option is a completely different thing and a total non-starter! So let's bin that rather erm, 'quaint' notion and talk about external investment.
Now, the whys and wherefores of how external money fits into FFP are too complex for here, but in simple terms, as I understand it, if it's not sponsorship dough, you're talking exchange of equity because FFP won't let you chuck a big bag of anonymous cashinto a big black hole and TB won't relinquish any of that. His, has always been a position of sole ownership. Anyway, why effectively mortgage the club to the hilt with a third party on the basis of a wild punt with no guarantees? What happens when American Express (or whoever) comes knocking on the door asking for their money back?
"Eh, sorry, we haven't got it, we spent it all, but we're still in the Championship so can you wait a bit?
"Oh and by the way.. Please sir, can we have some more?"
I'd suggest this is exactly why they've been working so hard to turn round the deficit because funnily enough, there isn't anyone out there willing to hand over a big pile of cash for no reason.
On the other hand, Paul Barber might've read your earlier note and thought; "American Express! Yes, YES!! Why didn't I think of that?!!!"
But I doubt it..
If, as it might, it turns out that American Express has bought the naming rights to our new facility, to go along with the stadium, they would have taken that money from somewhere within their business, and I don't really care from where.

Selling a small slice of the club to a company such as American Express, is not beyond the realms of possibility, we could build a very strong team with the addition of about 15 million to the transfer kitty. If such a company is not allowed to push money into the club, for transfers, in one way, then another can often be found, the FFP is not water tight.

You might think my thoughts are crazy, that's cool, but I prefer to think of them as, 'out of the box,' thinking, but not too far out of the box.
Your understanding of the FFP rules is also not watertight, Vegas.
The whole idea of what the clubs voted for is that they cannot put the existence of the club at risk by buying players with money they haven't got, in an attempt to get promoted. New money can't be used for that purpose, and if it could, we would be exactly where we were before FFP.
And as for investing pension funds in a football club? That could be just the boost that the beleaguered financial industry is looking for!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]A ten to fifteen million investment by a compnay the size of American Express would be considered small change, and easily covered by Bloom, but that same figure could buy the players required to get promoted. It's a question of how money can be invested in buying new players whilst staying within the FFP guidelines. Bloom is only allowed to invest three million in new money, (you can check that but I think I am right) if we need new money, and thes millions don't come thru normal sponsorship deals, then why not engauge with American Express for further funding. The FFP doesn't just look to control losses, it also has a big hand in what, 'type,' of money can be used and what for. Clubs up and down the country, and in all divisions, are looking for side or back doors to filter money thru to the squad.[/p][/quote]Talking about third party, corporate funding is one thing, suggesting pension fund reserves as the option is a completely different thing and a total non-starter! So let's bin that rather erm, 'quaint' notion and talk about external investment. Now, the whys and wherefores of how external money fits into FFP are too complex for here, but in simple terms, as I understand it, if it's not sponsorship dough, you're talking exchange of equity because FFP won't let you chuck a big bag of anonymous cashinto a big black hole and TB won't relinquish any of that. His, has always been a position of sole ownership. Anyway, why effectively mortgage the club to the hilt with a third party on the basis of a wild punt with no guarantees? What happens when American Express (or whoever) comes knocking on the door asking for their money back? "Eh, sorry, we haven't got it, we spent it all, but we're still in the Championship so can you wait a bit? "Oh and by the way.. Please sir, can we have some more?" I'd suggest this is exactly why they've been working so hard to turn round the deficit because funnily enough, there isn't anyone out there willing to hand over a big pile of cash for no reason. On the other hand, Paul Barber might've read your earlier note and thought; "American Express! Yes, YES!! Why didn't I think of that?!!!" But I doubt it..[/p][/quote]If, as it might, it turns out that American Express has bought the naming rights to our new facility, to go along with the stadium, they would have taken that money from somewhere within their business, and I don't really care from where. Selling a small slice of the club to a company such as American Express, is not beyond the realms of possibility, we could build a very strong team with the addition of about 15 million to the transfer kitty. If such a company is not allowed to push money into the club, for transfers, in one way, then another can often be found, the FFP is not water tight. You might think my thoughts are crazy, that's cool, but I prefer to think of them as, 'out of the box,' thinking, but not too far out of the box.[/p][/quote]Your understanding of the FFP rules is also not watertight, Vegas. The whole idea of what the clubs voted for is that they cannot put the existence of the club at risk by buying players with money they haven't got, in an attempt to get promoted. New money can't be used for that purpose, and if it could, we would be exactly where we were before FFP. And as for investing pension funds in a football club? That could be just the boost that the beleaguered financial industry is looking for! gordongull
  • Score: 0

7:44pm Tue 27 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year?
Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note!
Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from?

My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.
When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?
you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum.

Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.
Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even,
Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three,
What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?
What America Express get for their buck is continuous brand name exposure, and the better the club does the more exposure they get, it's all about profile. Right now they don't get a lot of exposure, Brighton are not featured enough for live coverage on TV, but they have taken the long term view.

You might think that a company the size of American Express don't need exposure, who hasn't heard of them, but these companies always want their name out there. When Be-In Sport pick up one of our games the match gets broadcast all over the world.

Re cutting our costs, Barber made it very clear that the dependency upon Bloom to pick up the bills is being cut, we are no longer looking to him for every pound needed. We losy 14 million last year but that loss will be cut to 11 this year. If we can cut by the same 3 million over the coming 3 years the debt will be almost wiped out, 3 years is not long to wait when it comes to investing, and of course, that depends on whether or not we get promoted during those 3 years.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year? Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note![/p][/quote]Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from? My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.[/p][/quote]When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?[/p][/quote]you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum. Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.[/p][/quote]Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even, Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three, What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?[/p][/quote]What America Express get for their buck is continuous brand name exposure, and the better the club does the more exposure they get, it's all about profile. Right now they don't get a lot of exposure, Brighton are not featured enough for live coverage on TV, but they have taken the long term view. You might think that a company the size of American Express don't need exposure, who hasn't heard of them, but these companies always want their name out there. When Be-In Sport pick up one of our games the match gets broadcast all over the world. Re cutting our costs, Barber made it very clear that the dependency upon Bloom to pick up the bills is being cut, we are no longer looking to him for every pound needed. We losy 14 million last year but that loss will be cut to 11 this year. If we can cut by the same 3 million over the coming 3 years the debt will be almost wiped out, 3 years is not long to wait when it comes to investing, and of course, that depends on whether or not we get promoted during those 3 years. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

7:50pm Tue 27 May 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Approx 30 days till pre season training!
Club need to get finger out this week.
Nathan Jones appointed!!!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Approx 30 days till pre season training! Club need to get finger out this week.[/p][/quote]Nathan Jones appointed!!! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: -2

7:50pm Tue 27 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
A ten to fifteen million investment by a compnay the size of American Express would be considered small change, and easily covered by Bloom, but that same figure could buy the players required to get promoted.
It's a question of how money can be invested in buying new players whilst staying within the FFP guidelines. Bloom is only allowed to invest three million in new money, (you can check that but I think I am right) if we need new money, and thes millions don't come thru normal sponsorship deals, then why not engauge with American Express for further funding.

The FFP doesn't just look to control losses, it also has a big hand in what, 'type,' of money can be used and what for. Clubs up and down the country, and in all divisions, are looking for side or back doors to filter money thru to the squad.
Talking about third party, corporate funding is one thing, suggesting pension fund reserves as the option is a completely different thing and a total non-starter! So let's bin that rather erm, 'quaint' notion and talk about external investment.
Now, the whys and wherefores of how external money fits into FFP are too complex for here, but in simple terms, as I understand it, if it's not sponsorship dough, you're talking exchange of equity because FFP won't let you chuck a big bag of anonymous cashinto a big black hole and TB won't relinquish any of that. His, has always been a position of sole ownership. Anyway, why effectively mortgage the club to the hilt with a third party on the basis of a wild punt with no guarantees? What happens when American Express (or whoever) comes knocking on the door asking for their money back?
"Eh, sorry, we haven't got it, we spent it all, but we're still in the Championship so can you wait a bit?
"Oh and by the way.. Please sir, can we have some more?"
I'd suggest this is exactly why they've been working so hard to turn round the deficit because funnily enough, there isn't anyone out there willing to hand over a big pile of cash for no reason.
On the other hand, Paul Barber might've read your earlier note and thought; "American Express! Yes, YES!! Why didn't I think of that?!!!"
But I doubt it..
If, as it might, it turns out that American Express has bought the naming rights to our new facility, to go along with the stadium, they would have taken that money from somewhere within their business, and I don't really care from where.

Selling a small slice of the club to a company such as American Express, is not beyond the realms of possibility, we could build a very strong team with the addition of about 15 million to the transfer kitty. If such a company is not allowed to push money into the club, for transfers, in one way, then another can often be found, the FFP is not water tight.

You might think my thoughts are crazy, that's cool, but I prefer to think of them as, 'out of the box,' thinking, but not too far out of the box.
Vegas, you're moving the goalposts with each rehabilitative post.... and finally moving towards reality.
First, you replace "pension fund" with "business development fund". World of difference, but that's cool. Every corporation will have a marketing budget and they'll be looking for a return on that allocation.
Secondly, you move towards a basic business transaction by talking about naming rights and cash for corporate visibility. Again that's cool and perfectly legitimate.
If American Express (or anyone) are willing to pay money for an extended, bona-fide partnership package, then yep, of course it's possible. But your original incarnation was to take other people's ring-fenced money and simply offer it to the club with little or no guarantees. (Check your posts, because you did.)
Now, if the club can convince anyone to either add to their sponsorship exposure at BHA or initiate an involvement for significant money, then, game on. On that basis, forget FFP, as a corporate deal is fair game but it will be on the basis of corporate efficacy not charity..
yes and having given further thought to the, 'pension fund,' suggestion, I corrected it to a more plausible fund of money. It is better to identify your own mistakes rather than spend time pointing out other's errors.

I am still of the opinion that the club could enter into a corporate partnership, of one type of another, by way of raising substatial funds without giving up the control of the club to some foreign national.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]A ten to fifteen million investment by a compnay the size of American Express would be considered small change, and easily covered by Bloom, but that same figure could buy the players required to get promoted. It's a question of how money can be invested in buying new players whilst staying within the FFP guidelines. Bloom is only allowed to invest three million in new money, (you can check that but I think I am right) if we need new money, and thes millions don't come thru normal sponsorship deals, then why not engauge with American Express for further funding. The FFP doesn't just look to control losses, it also has a big hand in what, 'type,' of money can be used and what for. Clubs up and down the country, and in all divisions, are looking for side or back doors to filter money thru to the squad.[/p][/quote]Talking about third party, corporate funding is one thing, suggesting pension fund reserves as the option is a completely different thing and a total non-starter! So let's bin that rather erm, 'quaint' notion and talk about external investment. Now, the whys and wherefores of how external money fits into FFP are too complex for here, but in simple terms, as I understand it, if it's not sponsorship dough, you're talking exchange of equity because FFP won't let you chuck a big bag of anonymous cashinto a big black hole and TB won't relinquish any of that. His, has always been a position of sole ownership. Anyway, why effectively mortgage the club to the hilt with a third party on the basis of a wild punt with no guarantees? What happens when American Express (or whoever) comes knocking on the door asking for their money back? "Eh, sorry, we haven't got it, we spent it all, but we're still in the Championship so can you wait a bit? "Oh and by the way.. Please sir, can we have some more?" I'd suggest this is exactly why they've been working so hard to turn round the deficit because funnily enough, there isn't anyone out there willing to hand over a big pile of cash for no reason. On the other hand, Paul Barber might've read your earlier note and thought; "American Express! Yes, YES!! Why didn't I think of that?!!!" But I doubt it..[/p][/quote]If, as it might, it turns out that American Express has bought the naming rights to our new facility, to go along with the stadium, they would have taken that money from somewhere within their business, and I don't really care from where. Selling a small slice of the club to a company such as American Express, is not beyond the realms of possibility, we could build a very strong team with the addition of about 15 million to the transfer kitty. If such a company is not allowed to push money into the club, for transfers, in one way, then another can often be found, the FFP is not water tight. You might think my thoughts are crazy, that's cool, but I prefer to think of them as, 'out of the box,' thinking, but not too far out of the box.[/p][/quote]Vegas, you're moving the goalposts with each rehabilitative post.... and finally moving towards reality. First, you replace "pension fund" with "business development fund". World of difference, but that's cool. Every corporation will have a marketing budget and they'll be looking for a return on that allocation. Secondly, you move towards a basic business transaction by talking about naming rights and cash for corporate visibility. Again that's cool and perfectly legitimate. If American Express (or anyone) are willing to pay money for an extended, bona-fide partnership package, then yep, of course it's possible. But your original incarnation was to take other people's ring-fenced money and simply offer it to the club with little or no guarantees. (Check your posts, because you did.) Now, if the club can convince anyone to either add to their sponsorship exposure at BHA or initiate an involvement for significant money, then, game on. On that basis, forget FFP, as a corporate deal is fair game but it will be on the basis of corporate efficacy not charity..[/p][/quote]yes and having given further thought to the, 'pension fund,' suggestion, I corrected it to a more plausible fund of money. It is better to identify your own mistakes rather than spend time pointing out other's errors. I am still of the opinion that the club could enter into a corporate partnership, of one type of another, by way of raising substatial funds without giving up the control of the club to some foreign national. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

7:59pm Tue 27 May 14

gordongull says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Approx 30 days till pre season training!
Club need to get finger out this week.
Nathan Jones appointed!!!
Good wind-up.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Approx 30 days till pre season training! Club need to get finger out this week.[/p][/quote]Nathan Jones appointed!!![/p][/quote]Good wind-up. gordongull
  • Score: -1

8:02pm Tue 27 May 14

pte says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year?
Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note!
Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from?

My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.
When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?
you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum.

Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.
Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even,
Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three,
What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?
Losing money Mark? And I thought you were one of the more sensible posters on this forum. It's all sleight of hand
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year? Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note![/p][/quote]Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from? My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.[/p][/quote]When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?[/p][/quote]you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum. Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.[/p][/quote]Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even, Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three, What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?[/p][/quote]Losing money Mark? And I thought you were one of the more sensible posters on this forum. It's all sleight of hand pte
  • Score: -1

8:11pm Tue 27 May 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
A ten to fifteen million investment by a compnay the size of American Express would be considered small change, and easily covered by Bloom, but that same figure could buy the players required to get promoted.
It's a question of how money can be invested in buying new players whilst staying within the FFP guidelines. Bloom is only allowed to invest three million in new money, (you can check that but I think I am right) if we need new money, and thes millions don't come thru normal sponsorship deals, then why not engauge with American Express for further funding.

The FFP doesn't just look to control losses, it also has a big hand in what, 'type,' of money can be used and what for. Clubs up and down the country, and in all divisions, are looking for side or back doors to filter money thru to the squad.
Talking about third party, corporate funding is one thing, suggesting pension fund reserves as the option is a completely different thing and a total non-starter! So let's bin that rather erm, 'quaint' notion and talk about external investment.
Now, the whys and wherefores of how external money fits into FFP are too complex for here, but in simple terms, as I understand it, if it's not sponsorship dough, you're talking exchange of equity because FFP won't let you chuck a big bag of anonymous cashinto a big black hole and TB won't relinquish any of that. His, has always been a position of sole ownership. Anyway, why effectively mortgage the club to the hilt with a third party on the basis of a wild punt with no guarantees? What happens when American Express (or whoever) comes knocking on the door asking for their money back?
"Eh, sorry, we haven't got it, we spent it all, but we're still in the Championship so can you wait a bit?
"Oh and by the way.. Please sir, can we have some more?"
I'd suggest this is exactly why they've been working so hard to turn round the deficit because funnily enough, there isn't anyone out there willing to hand over a big pile of cash for no reason.
On the other hand, Paul Barber might've read your earlier note and thought; "American Express! Yes, YES!! Why didn't I think of that?!!!"
But I doubt it..
If, as it might, it turns out that American Express has bought the naming rights to our new facility, to go along with the stadium, they would have taken that money from somewhere within their business, and I don't really care from where.

Selling a small slice of the club to a company such as American Express, is not beyond the realms of possibility, we could build a very strong team with the addition of about 15 million to the transfer kitty. If such a company is not allowed to push money into the club, for transfers, in one way, then another can often be found, the FFP is not water tight.

You might think my thoughts are crazy, that's cool, but I prefer to think of them as, 'out of the box,' thinking, but not too far out of the box.
Vegas, you're moving the goalposts with each rehabilitative post.... and finally moving towards reality.
First, you replace "pension fund" with "business development fund". World of difference, but that's cool. Every corporation will have a marketing budget and they'll be looking for a return on that allocation.
Secondly, you move towards a basic business transaction by talking about naming rights and cash for corporate visibility. Again that's cool and perfectly legitimate.
If American Express (or anyone) are willing to pay money for an extended, bona-fide partnership package, then yep, of course it's possible. But your original incarnation was to take other people's ring-fenced money and simply offer it to the club with little or no guarantees. (Check your posts, because you did.)
Now, if the club can convince anyone to either add to their sponsorship exposure at BHA or initiate an involvement for significant money, then, game on. On that basis, forget FFP, as a corporate deal is fair game but it will be on the basis of corporate efficacy not charity..
yes and having given further thought to the, 'pension fund,' suggestion, I corrected it to a more plausible fund of money. It is better to identify your own mistakes rather than spend time pointing out other's errors.

I am still of the opinion that the club could enter into a corporate partnership, of one type of another, by way of raising substatial funds without giving up the control of the club to some foreign national.
I'm not accepting a sly comment about pointing out the errors of others as if it's my fault.. A patronising attempt to deflect. I told you the other day, I don't do pats on the head.
You made one of your regular 'presidential' comments and I took you to task for it. Simple. I'm sorry if you don't do criticism.
You originally suggested someone like AMEX would hand over (other people's) money like a happy, mindless benefactor and in the last hour or so you've retracted just about all of it and tried to blame the scrutiny on a couple of other contributors on here.
The bottom line is, if there's a commercial reason for getting in new money then, of course, that's great. But I'd like to think the club might be all over that like a rash.
Sorry for the Rottweiller approach, but on this occasion, your original premise was, shall we say, not one of your best.....
You might not do criticism but I do do apologies....
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]A ten to fifteen million investment by a compnay the size of American Express would be considered small change, and easily covered by Bloom, but that same figure could buy the players required to get promoted. It's a question of how money can be invested in buying new players whilst staying within the FFP guidelines. Bloom is only allowed to invest three million in new money, (you can check that but I think I am right) if we need new money, and thes millions don't come thru normal sponsorship deals, then why not engauge with American Express for further funding. The FFP doesn't just look to control losses, it also has a big hand in what, 'type,' of money can be used and what for. Clubs up and down the country, and in all divisions, are looking for side or back doors to filter money thru to the squad.[/p][/quote]Talking about third party, corporate funding is one thing, suggesting pension fund reserves as the option is a completely different thing and a total non-starter! So let's bin that rather erm, 'quaint' notion and talk about external investment. Now, the whys and wherefores of how external money fits into FFP are too complex for here, but in simple terms, as I understand it, if it's not sponsorship dough, you're talking exchange of equity because FFP won't let you chuck a big bag of anonymous cashinto a big black hole and TB won't relinquish any of that. His, has always been a position of sole ownership. Anyway, why effectively mortgage the club to the hilt with a third party on the basis of a wild punt with no guarantees? What happens when American Express (or whoever) comes knocking on the door asking for their money back? "Eh, sorry, we haven't got it, we spent it all, but we're still in the Championship so can you wait a bit? "Oh and by the way.. Please sir, can we have some more?" I'd suggest this is exactly why they've been working so hard to turn round the deficit because funnily enough, there isn't anyone out there willing to hand over a big pile of cash for no reason. On the other hand, Paul Barber might've read your earlier note and thought; "American Express! Yes, YES!! Why didn't I think of that?!!!" But I doubt it..[/p][/quote]If, as it might, it turns out that American Express has bought the naming rights to our new facility, to go along with the stadium, they would have taken that money from somewhere within their business, and I don't really care from where. Selling a small slice of the club to a company such as American Express, is not beyond the realms of possibility, we could build a very strong team with the addition of about 15 million to the transfer kitty. If such a company is not allowed to push money into the club, for transfers, in one way, then another can often be found, the FFP is not water tight. You might think my thoughts are crazy, that's cool, but I prefer to think of them as, 'out of the box,' thinking, but not too far out of the box.[/p][/quote]Vegas, you're moving the goalposts with each rehabilitative post.... and finally moving towards reality. First, you replace "pension fund" with "business development fund". World of difference, but that's cool. Every corporation will have a marketing budget and they'll be looking for a return on that allocation. Secondly, you move towards a basic business transaction by talking about naming rights and cash for corporate visibility. Again that's cool and perfectly legitimate. If American Express (or anyone) are willing to pay money for an extended, bona-fide partnership package, then yep, of course it's possible. But your original incarnation was to take other people's ring-fenced money and simply offer it to the club with little or no guarantees. (Check your posts, because you did.) Now, if the club can convince anyone to either add to their sponsorship exposure at BHA or initiate an involvement for significant money, then, game on. On that basis, forget FFP, as a corporate deal is fair game but it will be on the basis of corporate efficacy not charity..[/p][/quote]yes and having given further thought to the, 'pension fund,' suggestion, I corrected it to a more plausible fund of money. It is better to identify your own mistakes rather than spend time pointing out other's errors. I am still of the opinion that the club could enter into a corporate partnership, of one type of another, by way of raising substatial funds without giving up the control of the club to some foreign national.[/p][/quote]I'm not accepting a sly comment about pointing out the errors of others as if it's my fault.. A patronising attempt to deflect. I told you the other day, I don't do pats on the head. You made one of your regular 'presidential' comments and I took you to task for it. Simple. I'm sorry if you don't do criticism. You originally suggested someone like AMEX would hand over (other people's) money like a happy, mindless benefactor and in the last hour or so you've retracted just about all of it and tried to blame the scrutiny on a couple of other contributors on here. The bottom line is, if there's a commercial reason for getting in new money then, of course, that's great. But I'd like to think the club might be all over that like a rash. Sorry for the Rottweiller approach, but on this occasion, your original premise was, shall we say, not one of your best..... You might not do criticism but I do do apologies.... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

8:13pm Tue 27 May 14

mark by the sea says...

pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year?
Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note!
Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from?

My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.
When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?
you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum.

Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.
Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even,
Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three,
What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?
Losing money Mark? And I thought you were one of the more sensible posters on this forum. It's all sleight of hand
Of course profit and loss on paper can be used to increase entrance fees as it did earlier this year, it can be used as a excuse to sell players, again on here that has been peddled.
No company wants to pay tax .. So losing a small amount is ideal.. I won't mention the cash side of football lol
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year? Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note![/p][/quote]Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from? My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.[/p][/quote]When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?[/p][/quote]you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum. Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.[/p][/quote]Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even, Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three, What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?[/p][/quote]Losing money Mark? And I thought you were one of the more sensible posters on this forum. It's all sleight of hand[/p][/quote]Of course profit and loss on paper can be used to increase entrance fees as it did earlier this year, it can be used as a excuse to sell players, again on here that has been peddled. No company wants to pay tax .. So losing a small amount is ideal.. I won't mention the cash side of football lol mark by the sea
  • Score: -1

8:13pm Tue 27 May 14

OldGull says...

SonnyJim55 wrote:
On the manager front, I see that TS who was the initial favourite a couple of weeks ago was out to 6/1 last night with Clement & Hughton both around the 6/4 mark......however on checking just now TS is now favourite again at odds of between Evens and 4/6 with Clement & Hughton at about 5 or 6/1. I think we might have answer to the question very soon
Probably just means someone has had a sizeable punt on TS
[quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: On the manager front, I see that TS who was the initial favourite a couple of weeks ago was out to 6/1 last night with Clement & Hughton both around the 6/4 mark......however on checking just now TS is now favourite again at odds of between Evens and 4/6 with Clement & Hughton at about 5 or 6/1. I think we might have answer to the question very soon[/p][/quote]Probably just means someone has had a sizeable punt on TS OldGull
  • Score: 6

8:17pm Tue 27 May 14

Withdean-er says...

gobias industries wrote:
lotsofducks wrote:
gobias industries wrote:
In my view, not key at all. He only played well when the cameras were on last season and spent a lot of the time huffing and puffing without contributing that much. The only decent thing he did was the goal against Hull. I would take anything over £5m to be honest
What a bizarre comment! He was our top scorer and didn't play for almost one third of the season! We didn't have hat may games televised I don't think...
No particularly bizarre. He is injury prone, on big wages and scored the vast majority of his goals from inside the six yard box. He does very little to bring others into play and got totally out-muscled by

Give Glenn Murray the ball and he will create something out of nothing. Give Leo the ball and, last season, he fell over...
I agree with your observations, but you will be drowned out by Ulloa's adorers. They are getting more nostalgic about his 'brilliance' with the passing of every close season day. If only they'd watched Murray - there's a great video on Youtube of all 56 Murray goals for us, which does highlight his class, without including the great holdup play and countless assists.
[quote][p][bold]gobias industries[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lotsofducks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gobias industries[/bold] wrote: In my view, not key at all. He only played well when the cameras were on last season and spent a lot of the time huffing and puffing without contributing that much. The only decent thing he did was the goal against Hull. I would take anything over £5m to be honest[/p][/quote]What a bizarre comment! He was our top scorer and didn't play for almost one third of the season! We didn't have hat may games televised I don't think...[/p][/quote]No particularly bizarre. He is injury prone, on big wages and scored the vast majority of his goals from inside the six yard box. He does very little to bring others into play and got totally out-muscled by Give Glenn Murray the ball and he will create something out of nothing. Give Leo the ball and, last season, he fell over...[/p][/quote]I agree with your observations, but you will be drowned out by Ulloa's adorers. They are getting more nostalgic about his 'brilliance' with the passing of every close season day. If only they'd watched Murray - there's a great video on Youtube of all 56 Murray goals for us, which does highlight his class, without including the great holdup play and countless assists. Withdean-er
  • Score: 0

8:20pm Tue 27 May 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year?
Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note!
Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from?

My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.
When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?
you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum.

Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.
Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even,
Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three,
What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?
What America Express get for their buck is continuous brand name exposure, and the better the club does the more exposure they get, it's all about profile. Right now they don't get a lot of exposure, Brighton are not featured enough for live coverage on TV, but they have taken the long term view.

You might think that a company the size of American Express don't need exposure, who hasn't heard of them, but these companies always want their name out there. When Be-In Sport pick up one of our games the match gets broadcast all over the world.

Re cutting our costs, Barber made it very clear that the dependency upon Bloom to pick up the bills is being cut, we are no longer looking to him for every pound needed. We losy 14 million last year but that loss will be cut to 11 this year. If we can cut by the same 3 million over the coming 3 years the debt will be almost wiped out, 3 years is not long to wait when it comes to investing, and of course, that depends on whether or not we get promoted during those 3 years.
Your assuming we keep gates of 27000?
The other point regarding Amex lending cash to the Albion is , what if the Albion default on the loan? Imagine the bad image that would cast on Amex.
The other thing I am sure you realise is while Amex is one of the bigger offices, the main corporate offices are in the states!
The deal would not be sanctioned by a season ticket holder in the 1901 , but a accountant team somewhere they don't know anything about soccer!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year? Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note![/p][/quote]Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from? My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.[/p][/quote]When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?[/p][/quote]you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum. Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.[/p][/quote]Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even, Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three, What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?[/p][/quote]What America Express get for their buck is continuous brand name exposure, and the better the club does the more exposure they get, it's all about profile. Right now they don't get a lot of exposure, Brighton are not featured enough for live coverage on TV, but they have taken the long term view. You might think that a company the size of American Express don't need exposure, who hasn't heard of them, but these companies always want their name out there. When Be-In Sport pick up one of our games the match gets broadcast all over the world. Re cutting our costs, Barber made it very clear that the dependency upon Bloom to pick up the bills is being cut, we are no longer looking to him for every pound needed. We losy 14 million last year but that loss will be cut to 11 this year. If we can cut by the same 3 million over the coming 3 years the debt will be almost wiped out, 3 years is not long to wait when it comes to investing, and of course, that depends on whether or not we get promoted during those 3 years.[/p][/quote]Your assuming we keep gates of 27000? The other point regarding Amex lending cash to the Albion is , what if the Albion default on the loan? Imagine the bad image that would cast on Amex. The other thing I am sure you realise is while Amex is one of the bigger offices, the main corporate offices are in the states! The deal would not be sanctioned by a season ticket holder in the 1901 , but a accountant team somewhere they don't know anything about soccer! mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

8:20pm Tue 27 May 14

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

MBTS posts sensible comments on this forum, you having a giraffe!!! Most of his comments have thumbs down or has a vendetta against Ex-Pat Arnie
MBTS posts sensible comments on this forum, you having a giraffe!!! Most of his comments have thumbs down or has a vendetta against Ex-Pat Arnie Tony the tiger eastbourne
  • Score: 1

8:22pm Tue 27 May 14

rolivan says...

mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year?
Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note!
Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from?

My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.
When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?
you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum.

Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.
Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even,
Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three,
What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?
Losing money Mark? And I thought you were one of the more sensible posters on this forum. It's all sleight of hand
Of course profit and loss on paper can be used to increase entrance fees as it did earlier this year, it can be used as a excuse to sell players, again on here that has been peddled.
No company wants to pay tax .. So losing a small amount is ideal.. I won't mention the cash side of football lol
One would think that the assets are in the buildings and land and They would increase, that is where TB and other investors will get a return on their money if they were to sell.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year? Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note![/p][/quote]Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from? My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.[/p][/quote]When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?[/p][/quote]you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum. Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.[/p][/quote]Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even, Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three, What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?[/p][/quote]Losing money Mark? And I thought you were one of the more sensible posters on this forum. It's all sleight of hand[/p][/quote]Of course profit and loss on paper can be used to increase entrance fees as it did earlier this year, it can be used as a excuse to sell players, again on here that has been peddled. No company wants to pay tax .. So losing a small amount is ideal.. I won't mention the cash side of football lol[/p][/quote]One would think that the assets are in the buildings and land and They would increase, that is where TB and other investors will get a return on their money if they were to sell. rolivan
  • Score: 0

8:22pm Tue 27 May 14

rolivan says...

mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year?
Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note!
Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from?

My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.
When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?
you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum.

Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.
Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even,
Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three,
What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?
Losing money Mark? And I thought you were one of the more sensible posters on this forum. It's all sleight of hand
Of course profit and loss on paper can be used to increase entrance fees as it did earlier this year, it can be used as a excuse to sell players, again on here that has been peddled.
No company wants to pay tax .. So losing a small amount is ideal.. I won't mention the cash side of football lol
One would think that the assets are in the buildings and land and They would increase, that is where TB and other investors will get a return on their money if they were to sell.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year? Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note![/p][/quote]Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from? My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.[/p][/quote]When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?[/p][/quote]you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum. Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.[/p][/quote]Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even, Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three, What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?[/p][/quote]Losing money Mark? And I thought you were one of the more sensible posters on this forum. It's all sleight of hand[/p][/quote]Of course profit and loss on paper can be used to increase entrance fees as it did earlier this year, it can be used as a excuse to sell players, again on here that has been peddled. No company wants to pay tax .. So losing a small amount is ideal.. I won't mention the cash side of football lol[/p][/quote]One would think that the assets are in the buildings and land and They would increase, that is where TB and other investors will get a return on their money if they were to sell. rolivan
  • Score: -2

8:23pm Tue 27 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Tony the tiger eastbourne wrote:
MBTS posts sensible comments on this forum, you having a giraffe!!! Most of his comments have thumbs down or has a vendetta against Ex-Pat Arnie
Ha ha , another non season ticket holder! Do you really come on here at 8pm to deliver that nugget!
[quote][p][bold]Tony the tiger eastbourne[/bold] wrote: MBTS posts sensible comments on this forum, you having a giraffe!!! Most of his comments have thumbs down or has a vendetta against Ex-Pat Arnie[/p][/quote]Ha ha , another non season ticket holder! Do you really come on here at 8pm to deliver that nugget! mark by the sea
  • Score: -1

8:25pm Tue 27 May 14

Withdean-er says...

mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year?
Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note!
Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from?

My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.
When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?
you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum.

Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.
Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even,
Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three,
What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?
Losing money Mark? And I thought you were one of the more sensible posters on this forum. It's all sleight of hand
Of course profit and loss on paper can be used to increase entrance fees as it did earlier this year, it can be used as a excuse to sell players, again on here that has been peddled.
No company wants to pay tax .. So losing a small amount is ideal.. I won't mention the cash side of football lol
Baloney. The accounts are prepared under very strict accounting standards and company law, then audited under ever more strict auditing standards by independent auditors (who have absolutely no connection to the Albion, its directors or shareholders). The losses are very real and huge, and the club has many £10m of tax losses carried forward to there is no danger of paying any corporation tax for many years to come.

The unknowledgeable terms: sleight of hand, creative accounting, blah blah, don't exist when it comes to preparing the financial statements of medium to large company accounts in the UK.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year? Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note![/p][/quote]Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from? My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.[/p][/quote]When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?[/p][/quote]you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum. Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.[/p][/quote]Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even, Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three, What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?[/p][/quote]Losing money Mark? And I thought you were one of the more sensible posters on this forum. It's all sleight of hand[/p][/quote]Of course profit and loss on paper can be used to increase entrance fees as it did earlier this year, it can be used as a excuse to sell players, again on here that has been peddled. No company wants to pay tax .. So losing a small amount is ideal.. I won't mention the cash side of football lol[/p][/quote]Baloney. The accounts are prepared under very strict accounting standards and company law, then audited under ever more strict auditing standards by independent auditors (who have absolutely no connection to the Albion, its directors or shareholders). The losses are very real and huge, and the club has many £10m of tax losses carried forward to there is no danger of paying any corporation tax for many years to come. The unknowledgeable terms: sleight of hand, creative accounting, blah blah, don't exist when it comes to preparing the financial statements of medium to large company accounts in the UK. Withdean-er
  • Score: 4

8:25pm Tue 27 May 14

keswick says...

Firstly I felt that since January Leo's body language often was that of someone who did not really want to be at the Amex. I suspect a derisory bid was received that the club would not entertain but was enough to turn the players head.
Secondly the club is after all a business with a long term plan. So if we can sell and replace a player who has been here 18 months and make a decent profit that is what will happen. Is he irreplaceable, simply answer is no he isn't.
Firstly I felt that since January Leo's body language often was that of someone who did not really want to be at the Amex. I suspect a derisory bid was received that the club would not entertain but was enough to turn the players head. Secondly the club is after all a business with a long term plan. So if we can sell and replace a player who has been here 18 months and make a decent profit that is what will happen. Is he irreplaceable, simply answer is no he isn't. keswick
  • Score: 2

8:42pm Tue 27 May 14

wardfan says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Sky bet... Tim Sherwood gone from 4th favourite at 6/1 to favourite at Evens in last ten minutes!
Tim Sherwood will be name as Albion's Manager by tomorrow.
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Sky bet... Tim Sherwood gone from 4th favourite at 6/1 to favourite at Evens in last ten minutes![/p][/quote]Tim Sherwood will be name as Albion's Manager by tomorrow. wardfan
  • Score: 0

8:43pm Tue 27 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

wardfan wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Sky bet... Tim Sherwood gone from 4th favourite at 6/1 to favourite at Evens in last ten minutes!
Tim Sherwood will be name as Albion's Manager by tomorrow.
Unless it's someone else later on...
[quote][p][bold]wardfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Sky bet... Tim Sherwood gone from 4th favourite at 6/1 to favourite at Evens in last ten minutes![/p][/quote]Tim Sherwood will be name as Albion's Manager by tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Unless it's someone else later on... Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

8:44pm Tue 27 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Withdean-er wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year?
Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note!
Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from?

My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.
When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?
you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum.

Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.
Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even,
Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three,
What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?
Losing money Mark? And I thought you were one of the more sensible posters on this forum. It's all sleight of hand
Of course profit and loss on paper can be used to increase entrance fees as it did earlier this year, it can be used as a excuse to sell players, again on here that has been peddled.
No company wants to pay tax .. So losing a small amount is ideal.. I won't mention the cash side of football lol
Baloney. The accounts are prepared under very strict accounting standards and company law, then audited under ever more strict auditing standards by independent auditors (who have absolutely no connection to the Albion, its directors or shareholders). The losses are very real and huge, and the club has many £10m of tax losses carried forward to there is no danger of paying any corporation tax for many years to come.

The unknowledgeable terms: sleight of hand, creative accounting, blah blah, don't exist when it comes to preparing the financial statements of medium to large company accounts in the UK.
A players purchase can be loaded by 30% , these fees go to agents, ith rest is pretty obvious .. If you remember torenzo signing for the Albion then your know he was attached to agent and not a club? 100k we paid apparently lol
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year? Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note![/p][/quote]Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from? My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.[/p][/quote]When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?[/p][/quote]you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum. Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.[/p][/quote]Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even, Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three, What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?[/p][/quote]Losing money Mark? And I thought you were one of the more sensible posters on this forum. It's all sleight of hand[/p][/quote]Of course profit and loss on paper can be used to increase entrance fees as it did earlier this year, it can be used as a excuse to sell players, again on here that has been peddled. No company wants to pay tax .. So losing a small amount is ideal.. I won't mention the cash side of football lol[/p][/quote]Baloney. The accounts are prepared under very strict accounting standards and company law, then audited under ever more strict auditing standards by independent auditors (who have absolutely no connection to the Albion, its directors or shareholders). The losses are very real and huge, and the club has many £10m of tax losses carried forward to there is no danger of paying any corporation tax for many years to come. The unknowledgeable terms: sleight of hand, creative accounting, blah blah, don't exist when it comes to preparing the financial statements of medium to large company accounts in the UK.[/p][/quote]A players purchase can be loaded by 30% , these fees go to agents, ith rest is pretty obvious .. If you remember torenzo signing for the Albion then your know he was attached to agent and not a club? 100k we paid apparently lol mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

8:46pm Tue 27 May 14

mark by the sea says...

rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year?
Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note!
Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from?

My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.
When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?
you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum.

Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.
Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even,
Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three,
What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?
Losing money Mark? And I thought you were one of the more sensible posters on this forum. It's all sleight of hand
Of course profit and loss on paper can be used to increase entrance fees as it did earlier this year, it can be used as a excuse to sell players, again on here that has been peddled.
No company wants to pay tax .. So losing a small amount is ideal.. I won't mention the cash side of football lol
One would think that the assets are in the buildings and land and They would increase, that is where TB and other investors will get a return on their money if they were to sell.
All land is leased and not owned , I think your find only land actually owned is the land next to the airport, that's going to be sold on with FPP for 600 houses.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year? Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note![/p][/quote]Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from? My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.[/p][/quote]When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?[/p][/quote]you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum. Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.[/p][/quote]Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even, Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three, What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?[/p][/quote]Losing money Mark? And I thought you were one of the more sensible posters on this forum. It's all sleight of hand[/p][/quote]Of course profit and loss on paper can be used to increase entrance fees as it did earlier this year, it can be used as a excuse to sell players, again on here that has been peddled. No company wants to pay tax .. So losing a small amount is ideal.. I won't mention the cash side of football lol[/p][/quote]One would think that the assets are in the buildings and land and They would increase, that is where TB and other investors will get a return on their money if they were to sell.[/p][/quote]All land is leased and not owned , I think your find only land actually owned is the land next to the airport, that's going to be sold on with FPP for 600 houses. mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

8:52pm Tue 27 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Withdean-er wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year?
Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note!
Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from?

My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.
When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?
you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum.

Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.
Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even,
Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three,
What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?
Losing money Mark? And I thought you were one of the more sensible posters on this forum. It's all sleight of hand
Of course profit and loss on paper can be used to increase entrance fees as it did earlier this year, it can be used as a excuse to sell players, again on here that has been peddled.
No company wants to pay tax .. So losing a small amount is ideal.. I won't mention the cash side of football lol
Baloney. The accounts are prepared under very strict accounting standards and company law, then audited under ever more strict auditing standards by independent auditors (who have absolutely no connection to the Albion, its directors or shareholders). The losses are very real and huge, and the club has many £10m of tax losses carried forward to there is no danger of paying any corporation tax for many years to come.

The unknowledgeable terms: sleight of hand, creative accounting, blah blah, don't exist when it comes to preparing the financial statements of medium to large company accounts in the UK.
Gerald Ronson? Robert maxwell? They owned two of the biggest companies in the uk, both managed to defraud millions . Were there companies accounts not done correctly.?
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year? Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note![/p][/quote]Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from? My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.[/p][/quote]When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?[/p][/quote]you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum. Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.[/p][/quote]Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even, Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three, What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?[/p][/quote]Losing money Mark? And I thought you were one of the more sensible posters on this forum. It's all sleight of hand[/p][/quote]Of course profit and loss on paper can be used to increase entrance fees as it did earlier this year, it can be used as a excuse to sell players, again on here that has been peddled. No company wants to pay tax .. So losing a small amount is ideal.. I won't mention the cash side of football lol[/p][/quote]Baloney. The accounts are prepared under very strict accounting standards and company law, then audited under ever more strict auditing standards by independent auditors (who have absolutely no connection to the Albion, its directors or shareholders). The losses are very real and huge, and the club has many £10m of tax losses carried forward to there is no danger of paying any corporation tax for many years to come. The unknowledgeable terms: sleight of hand, creative accounting, blah blah, don't exist when it comes to preparing the financial statements of medium to large company accounts in the UK.[/p][/quote]Gerald Ronson? Robert maxwell? They owned two of the biggest companies in the uk, both managed to defraud millions . Were there companies accounts not done correctly.? mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

9:17pm Tue 27 May 14

gordongull says...

So can we afford to build a team without the sale of Ulloa or not?
So can we afford to build a team without the sale of Ulloa or not? gordongull
  • Score: 1

9:33pm Tue 27 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

gordongull wrote:
So can we afford to build a team without the sale of Ulloa or not?
That would depend on how much of the new money coming into the club the board are prepared to release for transfers, assuming you mean a, 'good sqaud.'

Without the sale of Ulloa the kitty could be quite high if the board wish to make it so, with the sale it could be very healthy.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: So can we afford to build a team without the sale of Ulloa or not?[/p][/quote]That would depend on how much of the new money coming into the club the board are prepared to release for transfers, assuming you mean a, 'good sqaud.' Without the sale of Ulloa the kitty could be quite high if the board wish to make it so, with the sale it could be very healthy. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

9:35pm Tue 27 May 14

rolivan says...

mark by the sea wrote:
rolivan wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!!
And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!!
Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..
Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year?
Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note!
Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from?

My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.
When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?
you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum.

Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.
Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even,
Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three,
What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?
Losing money Mark? And I thought you were one of the more sensible posters on this forum. It's all sleight of hand
Of course profit and loss on paper can be used to increase entrance fees as it did earlier this year, it can be used as a excuse to sell players, again on here that has been peddled.
No company wants to pay tax .. So losing a small amount is ideal.. I won't mention the cash side of football lol
One would think that the assets are in the buildings and land and They would increase, that is where TB and other investors will get a return on their money if they were to sell.
All land is leased and not owned , I think your find only land actually owned is the land next to the airport, that's going to be sold on with FPP for 600 houses.
You can still sell property and businesses on leasehold agreements,I hope they don't try and build houses on the Flood Plain
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Are you seriously suggesting that a company like American Express would plough pension fund money into a football club?!!! And also that it would be effectively secured by Tony Bloom himself???!! Leeds United here we come!! Thank goodness you're not Chairman..[/p][/quote]Ha ha I read that one and laughed, American Express using pension funds to build the albion ? Why ? Secondly if I had my pension money about to be invested in a business that actually made money in what year? Someone name a championship club that made a profit of any note![/p][/quote]Ok I said, 'pension funds,' I could have said, 'business development fund,' it matters not. Our stadium features American Express in it's name, do you think that the company achived that without paying, where did that money come from? My point is I would prefer the expansion of our connection with the company, as a method of bringing in more funds, than selling the whole club.[/p][/quote]When was last time the Albion made a profit, ?[/p][/quote]you can't reduce your debts unless you are making a profit, we are reducing our debts, ergo, somewhere along the line we are making some money, just not enough to clear our debts in one go. The spending cut backs of last year have helped reduce our costs this year, but those cuts would not amount to the debt reduction of 3 million, which is what we will achieve this year as a minimum. Investments are not for a single year, they are made with the long term view in mind, unless you enter into day trading.[/p][/quote]Reason we are doing that is all monies are owed to TB , if we had to borrow to stay afloat we would be paying interest , we are losing money when we have the highest gates, high charges and in top 12 of season ticket sales in the country, and we are still losing money.. Yes we are cutting our losses, but along long way to go even to break even, Any investor would be looking for a return in year two or three, What benefit do Amex get from a risky investment?[/p][/quote]Losing money Mark? And I thought you were one of the more sensible posters on this forum. It's all sleight of hand[/p][/quote]Of course profit and loss on paper can be used to increase entrance fees as it did earlier this year, it can be used as a excuse to sell players, again on here that has been peddled. No company wants to pay tax .. So losing a small amount is ideal.. I won't mention the cash side of football lol[/p][/quote]One would think that the assets are in the buildings and land and They would increase, that is where TB and other investors will get a return on their money if they were to sell.[/p][/quote]All land is leased and not owned , I think your find only land actually owned is the land next to the airport, that's going to be sold on with FPP for 600 houses.[/p][/quote]You can still sell property and businesses on leasehold agreements,I hope they don't try and build houses on the Flood Plain rolivan
  • Score: 2

9:47pm Tue 27 May 14

Lamby63 says...

Let him go if money right , first touch is shocking second touch is a tackle. lack of movement and he was not interested last few home games
Let him go if money right , first touch is shocking second touch is a tackle. lack of movement and he was not interested last few home games Lamby63
  • Score: -3

9:57pm Tue 27 May 14

Stress head says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Absolute codswallop. A blue chip company like Amex investing its pension funds into a football club. I normally like your posts but this is the worst post ever. Can only assume your drunk. Amex would never want to buy into a football club. They are by one of the worst places to invest I can think of. It's a money pit, especially at championship level.
FFP needs to be fair. Some clubs abiding by it, some clubs not, is not fair. All the time we are and other clubs aren't we will struggle. FFP needs to drive down wages and it won't whilst others not playing ball, excuse the pun. Parachute payments also put us at a massive disadvantage. I'm normally an optimist but I'm starting to get a bit worried now. Lose ulloa and no chance of top six.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Absolute codswallop. A blue chip company like Amex investing its pension funds into a football club. I normally like your posts but this is the worst post ever. Can only assume your drunk. Amex would never want to buy into a football club. They are by one of the worst places to invest I can think of. It's a money pit, especially at championship level. FFP needs to be fair. Some clubs abiding by it, some clubs not, is not fair. All the time we are and other clubs aren't we will struggle. FFP needs to drive down wages and it won't whilst others not playing ball, excuse the pun. Parachute payments also put us at a massive disadvantage. I'm normally an optimist but I'm starting to get a bit worried now. Lose ulloa and no chance of top six. Stress head
  • Score: 5

10:20pm Tue 27 May 14

brianw52 says...

Lamby63 wrote:
Let him go if money right , first touch is shocking second touch is a tackle. lack of movement and he was not interested last few home games
I agree he hasn't looked interested recently, but who can we attract now?
[quote][p][bold]Lamby63[/bold] wrote: Let him go if money right , first touch is shocking second touch is a tackle. lack of movement and he was not interested last few home games[/p][/quote]I agree he hasn't looked interested recently, but who can we attract now? brianw52
  • Score: 1

10:39pm Tue 27 May 14

VegasSeagull says...

Stress head wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Don't Wanna.
Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company.
The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.
Absolute codswallop. A blue chip company like Amex investing its pension funds into a football club. I normally like your posts but this is the worst post ever. Can only assume your drunk. Amex would never want to buy into a football club. They are by one of the worst places to invest I can think of. It's a money pit, especially at championship level.
FFP needs to be fair. Some clubs abiding by it, some clubs not, is not fair. All the time we are and other clubs aren't we will struggle. FFP needs to drive down wages and it won't whilst others not playing ball, excuse the pun. Parachute payments also put us at a massive disadvantage. I'm normally an optimist but I'm starting to get a bit worried now. Lose ulloa and no chance of top six.
had you read later posted comments you would have seen that I corrected my error, by refering to, business development funds rather than pension funds.
[quote][p][bold]Stress head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Don't Wanna. Yeah I can see the possible need for a large cash injection into the club, in the near future, but I don't think that would come about by Bloom selling the club. I could see Bloom entering into a some sort of deal with a huge brand name company, selling them a percentage of the club. My prefered option would be for American Express to buy a slice as we already have such a strong connection with that company. The company that is American Express, would be sitting on a huge pile of money in pension funds, an investment now in Brighton would see a decent return if and when we get to he top flight in both the short term and longer view. Even if things went pear shaped having gained promotion, I am sure American Express would negotiate a Bloom buy back clause, so not too much of a gamble for the company.[/p][/quote]Absolute codswallop. A blue chip company like Amex investing its pension funds into a football club. I normally like your posts but this is the worst post ever. Can only assume your drunk. Amex would never want to buy into a football club. They are by one of the worst places to invest I can think of. It's a money pit, especially at championship level. FFP needs to be fair. Some clubs abiding by it, some clubs not, is not fair. All the time we are and other clubs aren't we will struggle. FFP needs to drive down wages and it won't whilst others not playing ball, excuse the pun. Parachute payments also put us at a massive disadvantage. I'm normally an optimist but I'm starting to get a bit worried now. Lose ulloa and no chance of top six.[/p][/quote]had you read later posted comments you would have seen that I corrected my error, by refering to, business development funds rather than pension funds. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

10:47pm Tue 27 May 14

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

Think we should limit this site to 3 posts per day, and 100 words per post. What a bloody snore all this drivel above is?

Get over it guys, football players go because they get offered more money, players get sold because clubs make profits from selling.

Paint whatever bullcrap you want around those facts, but PLEASE stop the drivel.

All said in 66 words. Easy.
Think we should limit this site to 3 posts per day, and 100 words per post. What a bloody snore all this drivel above is? Get over it guys, football players go because they get offered more money, players get sold because clubs make profits from selling. Paint whatever bullcrap you want around those facts, but PLEASE stop the drivel. All said in 66 words. Easy. PressBoxTeaBoy
  • Score: -2

10:52pm Tue 27 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Think we should limit this site to 3 posts per day, and 100 words per post. What a bloody snore all this drivel above is?

Get over it guys, football players go because they get offered more money, players get sold because clubs make profits from selling.

Paint whatever bullcrap you want around those facts, but PLEASE stop the drivel.

All said in 66 words. Easy.
But still the most pointless post - along with this one. Don't like it, don't read it.
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Think we should limit this site to 3 posts per day, and 100 words per post. What a bloody snore all this drivel above is? Get over it guys, football players go because they get offered more money, players get sold because clubs make profits from selling. Paint whatever bullcrap you want around those facts, but PLEASE stop the drivel. All said in 66 words. Easy.[/p][/quote]But still the most pointless post - along with this one. Don't like it, don't read it. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

11:23pm Tue 27 May 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Glad we'll get to keep Brono, I've always been a fan of his.

In addition to Hoskins, Lopez and Orlandi, it's interesting that TK hasn't signed for any club on a free yet. Must 100% pure league one rubbish like that 100% pure league one rubbish Dunk.

Only kidding, welcome back Freeloaders. But keep it civil, eh?
Glad we'll get to keep Brono, I've always been a fan of his. In addition to Hoskins, Lopez and Orlandi, it's interesting that TK hasn't signed for any club on a free yet. Must 100% pure league one rubbish like that 100% pure league one rubbish Dunk. Only kidding, welcome back Freeloaders. But keep it civil, eh? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

12:14am Wed 28 May 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
So can we afford to build a team without the sale of Ulloa or not?
That would depend on how much of the new money coming into the club the board are prepared to release for transfers, assuming you mean a, 'good sqaud.'

Without the sale of Ulloa the kitty could be quite high if the board wish to make it so, with the sale it could be very healthy.
Cheers Vegas.
That reminds me, the 'new money' I referred to earlier that can't be used to buy players was not intended to include sponsorship money or other allowable income. It was a reference to third party loans or investments.

I think he's already gone, so it's all about getting the best possible price.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: So can we afford to build a team without the sale of Ulloa or not?[/p][/quote]That would depend on how much of the new money coming into the club the board are prepared to release for transfers, assuming you mean a, 'good sqaud.' Without the sale of Ulloa the kitty could be quite high if the board wish to make it so, with the sale it could be very healthy.[/p][/quote]Cheers Vegas. That reminds me, the 'new money' I referred to earlier that can't be used to buy players was not intended to include sponsorship money or other allowable income. It was a reference to third party loans or investments. I think he's already gone, so it's all about getting the best possible price. gordongull
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12:15am Wed 28 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Interesting that we have allowed players to leave like Bennet and Noone to further there careers, we did little to stop bridcutt either. If ulloa goes for the figure suggested of 7 million, ( his release clause I believe) then that's what we have done for the last 4 years, allow better players to step up into the higher league, and I don't have a problem with that. However we must tie our assets down before clubs get wind of contract failings at this club, I don't want to spot the obvious , however we paid 3 million for CMS , who collected approx a million pounds last year for the benefit of about a hours football, he now has approx 7 months before he can talk to clubs about a contract in July 2015 .. Yes that's a long way away, but the guy will have cost us 6 million in wages and fees, and he will probably perform a blinder this season coming and walk off for a nice joining fee? I can't see how the club can win really, if he fails to score or do enough, do we offer him a deal or let him just leave? Only to see him bang twenty for another club!,!!!!! Ulloa will leave at some point, if we can replace him great, collect the cash and build a squad.
Very good point. In all cases but especially where a sizeable fee outlay is concerned we must protect the value (to us) of our assets. I would be sitting down with him in early August so we can tie him up to a new two-year deal with extra year option with time to spare for possible transfer if he proves determined to leave.

All in all I have a feeling he'll be with us - successfully - for some time by let's not rely on it without putting the matter in writing.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Interesting that we have allowed players to leave like Bennet and Noone to further there careers, we did little to stop bridcutt either. If ulloa goes for the figure suggested of 7 million, ( his release clause I believe) then that's what we have done for the last 4 years, allow better players to step up into the higher league, and I don't have a problem with that. However we must tie our assets down before clubs get wind of contract failings at this club, I don't want to spot the obvious , however we paid 3 million for CMS , who collected approx a million pounds last year for the benefit of about a hours football, he now has approx 7 months before he can talk to clubs about a contract in July 2015 .. Yes that's a long way away, but the guy will have cost us 6 million in wages and fees, and he will probably perform a blinder this season coming and walk off for a nice joining fee? I can't see how the club can win really, if he fails to score or do enough, do we offer him a deal or let him just leave? Only to see him bang twenty for another club!,!!!!! Ulloa will leave at some point, if we can replace him great, collect the cash and build a squad.[/p][/quote]Very good point. In all cases but especially where a sizeable fee outlay is concerned we must protect the value (to us) of our assets. I would be sitting down with him in early August so we can tie him up to a new two-year deal with extra year option with time to spare for possible transfer if he proves determined to leave. All in all I have a feeling he'll be with us - successfully - for some time by let's not rely on it without putting the matter in writing. Captain Haddock
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12:20am Wed 28 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

AlfieT wrote:
mark by the sea wrote: Interesting that we have allowed players to leave like Bennet and Noone to further there careers, we did little to stop bridcutt either. If ulloa goes for the figure suggested of 7 million, ( his release clause I believe) then that's what we have done for the last 4 years, allow better players to step up into the higher league, and I don't have a problem with that. However we must tie our assets down before clubs get wind of contract failings at this club, I don't want to spot the obvious , however we paid 3 million for CMS , who collected approx a million pounds last year for the benefit of about a hours football, he now has approx 7 months before he can talk to clubs about a contract in July 2015 .. Yes that's a long way away, but the guy will have cost us 6 million in wages and fees, and he will probably perform a blinder this season coming and walk off for a nice joining fee? I can't see how the club can win really, if he fails to score or do enough, do we offer him a deal or let him just leave? Only to see him bang twenty for another club!,!!!!! Ulloa will leave at some point, if we can replace him great, collect the cash and build a squad.
Can't see why your getting thumbs down for posting a succinct point of view. There's no real player loyalty any more, probably going to get worse as the incentives increase. Although it's a very long way from bearing fruit, the academy is the long term solution for a sustainable and profitable football club.
Not sure why you are getting thumbs down either!
[quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Interesting that we have allowed players to leave like Bennet and Noone to further there careers, we did little to stop bridcutt either. If ulloa goes for the figure suggested of 7 million, ( his release clause I believe) then that's what we have done for the last 4 years, allow better players to step up into the higher league, and I don't have a problem with that. However we must tie our assets down before clubs get wind of contract failings at this club, I don't want to spot the obvious , however we paid 3 million for CMS , who collected approx a million pounds last year for the benefit of about a hours football, he now has approx 7 months before he can talk to clubs about a contract in July 2015 .. Yes that's a long way away, but the guy will have cost us 6 million in wages and fees, and he will probably perform a blinder this season coming and walk off for a nice joining fee? I can't see how the club can win really, if he fails to score or do enough, do we offer him a deal or let him just leave? Only to see him bang twenty for another club!,!!!!! Ulloa will leave at some point, if we can replace him great, collect the cash and build a squad.[/p][/quote]Can't see why your getting thumbs down for posting a succinct point of view. There's no real player loyalty any more, probably going to get worse as the incentives increase. Although it's a very long way from bearing fruit, the academy is the long term solution for a sustainable and profitable football club.[/p][/quote]Not sure why you are getting thumbs down either! Captain Haddock
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3:23am Wed 28 May 14

Captain Haddock says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
mark by the sea wrote: Interesting that we have allowed players to leave like Bennet and Noone to further there careers, we did little to stop bridcutt either. If ulloa goes for the figure suggested of 7 million, ( his release clause I believe) then that's what we have done for the last 4 years, allow better players to step up into the higher league, and I don't have a problem with that. However we must tie our assets down before clubs get wind of contract failings at this club, I don't want to spot the obvious , however we paid 3 million for CMS , who collected approx a million pounds last year for the benefit of about a hours football, he now has approx 7 months before he can talk to clubs about a contract in July 2015 .. Yes that's a long way away, but the guy will have cost us 6 million in wages and fees, and he will probably perform a blinder this season coming and walk off for a nice joining fee? I can't see how the club can win really, if he fails to score or do enough, do we offer him a deal or let him just leave? Only to see him bang twenty for another club!,!!!!! Ulloa will leave at some point, if we can replace him great, collect the cash and build a squad.
Very good point. In all cases but especially where a sizeable fee outlay is concerned we must protect the value (to us) of our assets. I would be sitting down with him in early August so we can tie him up to a new two-year deal with extra year option with time to spare for possible transfer if he proves determined to leave. All in all I have a feeling he'll be with us - successfully - for some time by let's not rely on it without putting the matter in writing.
*referring to CMS (just to clarify).
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Interesting that we have allowed players to leave like Bennet and Noone to further there careers, we did little to stop bridcutt either. If ulloa goes for the figure suggested of 7 million, ( his release clause I believe) then that's what we have done for the last 4 years, allow better players to step up into the higher league, and I don't have a problem with that. However we must tie our assets down before clubs get wind of contract failings at this club, I don't want to spot the obvious , however we paid 3 million for CMS , who collected approx a million pounds last year for the benefit of about a hours football, he now has approx 7 months before he can talk to clubs about a contract in July 2015 .. Yes that's a long way away, but the guy will have cost us 6 million in wages and fees, and he will probably perform a blinder this season coming and walk off for a nice joining fee? I can't see how the club can win really, if he fails to score or do enough, do we offer him a deal or let him just leave? Only to see him bang twenty for another club!,!!!!! Ulloa will leave at some point, if we can replace him great, collect the cash and build a squad.[/p][/quote]Very good point. In all cases but especially where a sizeable fee outlay is concerned we must protect the value (to us) of our assets. I would be sitting down with him in early August so we can tie him up to a new two-year deal with extra year option with time to spare for possible transfer if he proves determined to leave. All in all I have a feeling he'll be with us - successfully - for some time by let's not rely on it without putting the matter in writing.[/p][/quote]*referring to CMS (just to clarify). Captain Haddock
  • Score: 0

3:31am Wed 28 May 14

mark by the sea says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
mark by the sea wrote: Interesting that we have allowed players to leave like Bennet and Noone to further there careers, we did little to stop bridcutt either. If ulloa goes for the figure suggested of 7 million, ( his release clause I believe) then that's what we have done for the last 4 years, allow better players to step up into the higher league, and I don't have a problem with that. However we must tie our assets down before clubs get wind of contract failings at this club, I don't want to spot the obvious , however we paid 3 million for CMS , who collected approx a million pounds last year for the benefit of about a hours football, he now has approx 7 months before he can talk to clubs about a contract in July 2015 .. Yes that's a long way away, but the guy will have cost us 6 million in wages and fees, and he will probably perform a blinder this season coming and walk off for a nice joining fee? I can't see how the club can win really, if he fails to score or do enough, do we offer him a deal or let him just leave? Only to see him bang twenty for another club!,!!!!! Ulloa will leave at some point, if we can replace him great, collect the cash and build a squad.
Very good point. In all cases but especially where a sizeable fee outlay is concerned we must protect the value (to us) of our assets. I would be sitting down with him in early August so we can tie him up to a new two-year deal with extra year option with time to spare for possible transfer if he proves determined to leave. All in all I have a feeling he'll be with us - successfully - for some time by let's not rely on it without putting the matter in writing.
*referring to CMS (just to clarify).
Morning ! I wonder now if we can accept Gus comment on reaching our ceiling is correct, those that talk of a 5 year plan also have to admit we are slipping off our path.
If we sell ulloa , will we be trying to replace him on the cheap? Because if so, are we serious about promotion ? That question must lay heavy for a manager candidate.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Interesting that we have allowed players to leave like Bennet and Noone to further there careers, we did little to stop bridcutt either. If ulloa goes for the figure suggested of 7 million, ( his release clause I believe) then that's what we have done for the last 4 years, allow better players to step up into the higher league, and I don't have a problem with that. However we must tie our assets down before clubs get wind of contract failings at this club, I don't want to spot the obvious , however we paid 3 million for CMS , who collected approx a million pounds last year for the benefit of about a hours football, he now has approx 7 months before he can talk to clubs about a contract in July 2015 .. Yes that's a long way away, but the guy will have cost us 6 million in wages and fees, and he will probably perform a blinder this season coming and walk off for a nice joining fee? I can't see how the club can win really, if he fails to score or do enough, do we offer him a deal or let him just leave? Only to see him bang twenty for another club!,!!!!! Ulloa will leave at some point, if we can replace him great, collect the cash and build a squad.[/p][/quote]Very good point. In all cases but especially where a sizeable fee outlay is concerned we must protect the value (to us) of our assets. I would be sitting down with him in early August so we can tie him up to a new two-year deal with extra year option with time to spare for possible transfer if he proves determined to leave. All in all I have a feeling he'll be with us - successfully - for some time by let's not rely on it without putting the matter in writing.[/p][/quote]*referring to CMS (just to clarify).[/p][/quote]Morning ! I wonder now if we can accept Gus comment on reaching our ceiling is correct, those that talk of a 5 year plan also have to admit we are slipping off our path. If we sell ulloa , will we be trying to replace him on the cheap? Because if so, are we serious about promotion ? That question must lay heavy for a manager candidate. mark by the sea
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5:50am Wed 28 May 14

JFC1 says...

What is the latest on the hotel, student accommodation ?
What is the latest on the hotel, student accommodation ? JFC1
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8:29am Wed 28 May 14

London Dave says...

bruce beckett wrote:
We were riding the crest of a wave when the Amex opened. Now, I fear we are on a downward spiral.

Even with the best crowds in the Championship, it seems that Brighton are not a big enough club for some...notably Poyet, Garcia and our better players.

I don't blame Matty Upson for joining Leicester and having one last crack at the Premier League. Nor Stephen Ward if he decides to go to the highest bidder. It's their livelihood and they have to look after their families.

Now it seems inevitable Leo will leave too.

Money talks in football these days. I just hope that whatever fee we receive for him we spend it wisely. Looks like the new man in charge is going to have a massive rebuilding job on his hands. Least we have a few youngsters (JFC, Ince, Solly) to build around.

Right now, our dream of reaching the Premier League seems further away than ever. We need an inspired choice of manager – and a few quality signings – to raise our spirits. UTA!
Spot on Bruce. Couldn't agree more.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: We were riding the crest of a wave when the Amex opened. Now, I fear we are on a downward spiral. Even with the best crowds in the Championship, it seems that Brighton are not a big enough club for some...notably Poyet, Garcia and our better players. I don't blame Matty Upson for joining Leicester and having one last crack at the Premier League. Nor Stephen Ward if he decides to go to the highest bidder. It's their livelihood and they have to look after their families. Now it seems inevitable Leo will leave too. Money talks in football these days. I just hope that whatever fee we receive for him we spend it wisely. Looks like the new man in charge is going to have a massive rebuilding job on his hands. Least we have a few youngsters (JFC, Ince, Solly) to build around. Right now, our dream of reaching the Premier League seems further away than ever. We need an inspired choice of manager – and a few quality signings – to raise our spirits. UTA![/p][/quote]Spot on Bruce. Couldn't agree more. London Dave
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9:06am Wed 28 May 14

KeefyH44 says...

bruce beckett wrote:
We were riding the crest of a wave when the Amex opened. Now, I fear we are on a downward spiral.

Even with the best crowds in the Championship, it seems that Brighton are not a big enough club for some...notably Poyet, Garcia and our better players.

I don't blame Matty Upson for joining Leicester and having one last crack at the Premier League. Nor Stephen Ward if he decides to go to the highest bidder. It's their livelihood and they have to look after their families.

Now it seems inevitable Leo will leave too.

Money talks in football these days. I just hope that whatever fee we receive for him we spend it wisely. Looks like the new man in charge is going to have a massive rebuilding job on his hands. Least we have a few youngsters (JFC, Ince, Solly) to build around.

Right now, our dream of reaching the Premier League seems further away than ever. We need an inspired choice of manager – and a few quality signings – to raise our spirits. UTA!
I really think it would be a mistake to let him go! We floundered for a long time after Murray left until Leo arrived. Good strikers are VERY hard to find and now we have one we need to hang on to him. Of course he isn't perfect, but lack of pace hasn't held him back from scoring so far. He misses a few sure but he was still our top scorer and we love him. (In a manly way of course).
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: We were riding the crest of a wave when the Amex opened. Now, I fear we are on a downward spiral. Even with the best crowds in the Championship, it seems that Brighton are not a big enough club for some...notably Poyet, Garcia and our better players. I don't blame Matty Upson for joining Leicester and having one last crack at the Premier League. Nor Stephen Ward if he decides to go to the highest bidder. It's their livelihood and they have to look after their families. Now it seems inevitable Leo will leave too. Money talks in football these days. I just hope that whatever fee we receive for him we spend it wisely. Looks like the new man in charge is going to have a massive rebuilding job on his hands. Least we have a few youngsters (JFC, Ince, Solly) to build around. Right now, our dream of reaching the Premier League seems further away than ever. We need an inspired choice of manager – and a few quality signings – to raise our spirits. UTA![/p][/quote]I really think it would be a mistake to let him go! We floundered for a long time after Murray left until Leo arrived. Good strikers are VERY hard to find and now we have one we need to hang on to him. Of course he isn't perfect, but lack of pace hasn't held him back from scoring so far. He misses a few sure but he was still our top scorer and we love him. (In a manly way of course). KeefyH44
  • Score: 2

9:06am Wed 28 May 14

KeefyH44 says...

bruce beckett wrote:
We were riding the crest of a wave when the Amex opened. Now, I fear we are on a downward spiral.

Even with the best crowds in the Championship, it seems that Brighton are not a big enough club for some...notably Poyet, Garcia and our better players.

I don't blame Matty Upson for joining Leicester and having one last crack at the Premier League. Nor Stephen Ward if he decides to go to the highest bidder. It's their livelihood and they have to look after their families.

Now it seems inevitable Leo will leave too.

Money talks in football these days. I just hope that whatever fee we receive for him we spend it wisely. Looks like the new man in charge is going to have a massive rebuilding job on his hands. Least we have a few youngsters (JFC, Ince, Solly) to build around.

Right now, our dream of reaching the Premier League seems further away than ever. We need an inspired choice of manager – and a few quality signings – to raise our spirits. UTA!
I really think it would be a mistake to let him go! We floundered for a long time after Murray left until Leo arrived. Good strikers are VERY hard to find and now we have one we need to hang on to him. Of course he isn't perfect, but lack of pace hasn't held him back from scoring so far. He misses a few sure but he was still our top scorer and we love him. (In a manly way of course).
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: We were riding the crest of a wave when the Amex opened. Now, I fear we are on a downward spiral. Even with the best crowds in the Championship, it seems that Brighton are not a big enough club for some...notably Poyet, Garcia and our better players. I don't blame Matty Upson for joining Leicester and having one last crack at the Premier League. Nor Stephen Ward if he decides to go to the highest bidder. It's their livelihood and they have to look after their families. Now it seems inevitable Leo will leave too. Money talks in football these days. I just hope that whatever fee we receive for him we spend it wisely. Looks like the new man in charge is going to have a massive rebuilding job on his hands. Least we have a few youngsters (JFC, Ince, Solly) to build around. Right now, our dream of reaching the Premier League seems further away than ever. We need an inspired choice of manager – and a few quality signings – to raise our spirits. UTA![/p][/quote]I really think it would be a mistake to let him go! We floundered for a long time after Murray left until Leo arrived. Good strikers are VERY hard to find and now we have one we need to hang on to him. Of course he isn't perfect, but lack of pace hasn't held him back from scoring so far. He misses a few sure but he was still our top scorer and we love him. (In a manly way of course). KeefyH44
  • Score: 1

9:15am Wed 28 May 14

KeefyH44 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
gobias industries wrote:
lotsofducks wrote:
gobias industries wrote:
In my view, not key at all. He only played well when the cameras were on last season and spent a lot of the time huffing and puffing without contributing that much. The only decent thing he did was the goal against Hull. I would take anything over £5m to be honest
What a bizarre comment! He was our top scorer and didn't play for almost one third of the season! We didn't have hat may games televised I don't think...
No particularly bizarre. He is injury prone, on big wages and scored the vast majority of his goals from inside the six yard box. He does very little to bring others into play and got totally out-muscled by

Give Glenn Murray the ball and he will create something out of nothing. Give Leo the ball and, last season, he fell over...
Injury prone? One proper injury in 18 months.
Most of his goals from inside the six yards box? Even if true, who else is going to convert those chances? Fred Binney retired a LONG time ago.
I recall a certain Jimmy Greaves! What would we give to have one of those 'Goal hangers'!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gobias industries[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lotsofducks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gobias industries[/bold] wrote: In my view, not key at all. He only played well when the cameras were on last season and spent a lot of the time huffing and puffing without contributing that much. The only decent thing he did was the goal against Hull. I would take anything over £5m to be honest[/p][/quote]What a bizarre comment! He was our top scorer and didn't play for almost one third of the season! We didn't have hat may games televised I don't think...[/p][/quote]No particularly bizarre. He is injury prone, on big wages and scored the vast majority of his goals from inside the six yard box. He does very little to bring others into play and got totally out-muscled by Give Glenn Murray the ball and he will create something out of nothing. Give Leo the ball and, last season, he fell over...[/p][/quote]Injury prone? One proper injury in 18 months. Most of his goals from inside the six yards box? Even if true, who else is going to convert those chances? Fred Binney retired a LONG time ago.[/p][/quote]I recall a certain Jimmy Greaves! What would we give to have one of those 'Goal hangers'! KeefyH44
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6:53pm Wed 28 May 14

Withdean-er says...

gobias industries wrote:
lotsofducks wrote:
gobias industries wrote:
In my view, not key at all. He only played well when the cameras were on last season and spent a lot of the time huffing and puffing without contributing that much. The only decent thing he did was the goal against Hull. I would take anything over £5m to be honest
What a bizarre comment! He was our top scorer and didn't play for almost one third of the season! We didn't have hat may games televised I don't think...
No particularly bizarre. He is injury prone, on big wages and scored the vast majority of his goals from inside the six yard box. He does very little to bring others into play and got totally out-muscled by

Give Glenn Murray the ball and he will create something out of nothing. Give Leo the ball and, last season, he fell over...
You make very accurate observations. Ulloa's goals in the box are more than fine, but Murray scored those, and so many more from half and not even half chances from anywhere about the 18 yard box. A brilliant striker, forward and team player - for those who didn't see him every other week at Withdean, the evidence is still on Youtube. Yes, and Ulloa's constant giving in, in physical battles with very average central defenders, then moaning about it, is a bore and was a contributory factor in BHA's many poor performances at the Amex last season.
[quote][p][bold]gobias industries[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lotsofducks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gobias industries[/bold] wrote: In my view, not key at all. He only played well when the cameras were on last season and spent a lot of the time huffing and puffing without contributing that much. The only decent thing he did was the goal against Hull. I would take anything over £5m to be honest[/p][/quote]What a bizarre comment! He was our top scorer and didn't play for almost one third of the season! We didn't have hat may games televised I don't think...[/p][/quote]No particularly bizarre. He is injury prone, on big wages and scored the vast majority of his goals from inside the six yard box. He does very little to bring others into play and got totally out-muscled by Give Glenn Murray the ball and he will create something out of nothing. Give Leo the ball and, last season, he fell over...[/p][/quote]You make very accurate observations. Ulloa's goals in the box are more than fine, but Murray scored those, and so many more from half and not even half chances from anywhere about the 18 yard box. A brilliant striker, forward and team player - for those who didn't see him every other week at Withdean, the evidence is still on Youtube. Yes, and Ulloa's constant giving in, in physical battles with very average central defenders, then moaning about it, is a bore and was a contributory factor in BHA's many poor performances at the Amex last season. Withdean-er
  • Score: 1

12:42pm Sun 1 Jun 14

dar1992 says...

i wouldnt say he is that key the only reason he is seen as so important is because there a shortage of attackers at the club so if a bid of 5-7m comes in we should accept it and go sign a couple of attackers with the money. samaras is available of a free transfer after leaving celtic id say he is as good as ulloa if not better obviously it wouldnt be easy to land him but thats just 1 example of who is available either free or on the cheap this summer. be sad to see leo go but we have to do what is right for the club long term and he only has about 3-4 years before he starts to decline anyyay id like us to look in the lower leagues for younger players that will help the club long term its worked in the past and it can work again we just need to stop wasting money on 30+ players simply because they have been capped for thier country and yes i include upson in that dont get me wrong he was brilliant for us but now because we only offered him a 1 year deal he has moved on and we are back to square 1. this wasnt meant to be negative but it seems to have gone that way. rant over UTA
i wouldnt say he is that key the only reason he is seen as so important is because there a shortage of attackers at the club so if a bid of 5-7m comes in we should accept it and go sign a couple of attackers with the money. samaras is available of a free transfer after leaving celtic id say he is as good as ulloa if not better obviously it wouldnt be easy to land him but thats just 1 example of who is available either free or on the cheap this summer. be sad to see leo go but we have to do what is right for the club long term and he only has about 3-4 years before he starts to decline anyyay id like us to look in the lower leagues for younger players that will help the club long term its worked in the past and it can work again we just need to stop wasting money on 30+ players simply because they have been capped for thier country and yes i include upson in that dont get me wrong he was brilliant for us but now because we only offered him a 1 year deal he has moved on and we are back to square 1. this wasnt meant to be negative but it seems to have gone that way. rant over UTA dar1992
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