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Hyypia new favourite for Albion job

The Argus: Sami Hyypia Sami Hyypia

Former Liverpool defender Sami Hyypia is the new favourite to take over as Albion manager.

Hyppia’s odds were slashed to a best-price Evens today as the Seagulls hunt for a successor to Oscar Garcia.

The Finn was being quoted as odds-on with two bookies.

Hyypia was linked with the Albion job last month and is keen to get back into management.

He was dismissed by Bayer Leverkusen two months ago.

Albion spoke to contenders last week and the quest to replace Oscar is continuing.

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12:37pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Albion fan in London says...

Lets hope we see someone appointed before the end of this week. Each day that passes means we are missing out on new players and we must be nearing pre season fairly soon.
Lets hope we see someone appointed before the end of this week. Each day that passes means we are missing out on new players and we must be nearing pre season fairly soon. Albion fan in London
  • Score: -12

12:38pm Tue 3 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Now I can see this one happening if only because he doesn't have much hope of landing one of the other four current vacancies. Celtic, West Brom and Southampton, can't really see any of them taking Hyypia, Leeds is a maybe and that leaves us.
Now I can see this one happening if only because he doesn't have much hope of landing one of the other four current vacancies. Celtic, West Brom and Southampton, can't really see any of them taking Hyypia, Leeds is a maybe and that leaves us. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

12:40pm Tue 3 Jun 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

So the Steve Clarke article was pointless then. Hyypia another relative unknown and difficult to judge how he'd do at Albion, a bit of an underwhelming name tbh. We could do worse, however I also think we could do a lot better, and ensure a manager with championship promotion credentials, Mackay or Hughton would be the better choices really.
So the Steve Clarke article was pointless then. Hyypia another relative unknown and difficult to judge how he'd do at Albion, a bit of an underwhelming name tbh. We could do worse, however I also think we could do a lot better, and ensure a manager with championship promotion credentials, Mackay or Hughton would be the better choices really. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: -27

12:42pm Tue 3 Jun 14

B-hove says...

Lack of investment in the team seems to be putting off many of the popular names that have been associated with the vacancy.

The Demon Barber of Falmer Street has been reported as “delighted” with the calibre of the candidates – is he hiding something from us or is he just easily pleased?

If the job goes to someone without English league management experience, can we afford to have the chairman abdicating and spending next winter in Australia – thereby leaving the new boy at the mercy of the deputies? Suggest we go for experience and (at least) a reasonable track record.
Lack of investment in the team seems to be putting off many of the popular names that have been associated with the vacancy. The Demon Barber of Falmer Street has been reported as “delighted” with the calibre of the candidates – is he hiding something from us or is he just easily pleased? If the job goes to someone without English league management experience, can we afford to have the chairman abdicating and spending next winter in Australia – thereby leaving the new boy at the mercy of the deputies? Suggest we go for experience and (at least) a reasonable track record. B-hove
  • Score: -16

12:44pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Justin says...

Frustrating as it is for us fans, it's better to take the extra time to get the right person. TB & co have done brilliantly to bring the Albion to where it is now so we can trust them to make a good appointment and don't need to worry or whine.
Frustrating as it is for us fans, it's better to take the extra time to get the right person. TB & co have done brilliantly to bring the Albion to where it is now so we can trust them to make a good appointment and don't need to worry or whine. Justin
  • Score: 26

12:45pm Tue 3 Jun 14

SeagullJay says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
So the Steve Clarke article was pointless then. Hyypia another relative unknown and difficult to judge how he'd do at Albion, a bit of an underwhelming name tbh. We could do worse, however I also think we could do a lot better, and ensure a manager with championship promotion credentials, Mackay or Hughton would be the better choices really.
In fairness - att the time article was written - Steve Clarke was favourite with 'the bookies'
That has now changed
Just as Sherwood has been favorite and Hughton - betting odds change
Is not the fault of Argus

just my opinion
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: So the Steve Clarke article was pointless then. Hyypia another relative unknown and difficult to judge how he'd do at Albion, a bit of an underwhelming name tbh. We could do worse, however I also think we could do a lot better, and ensure a manager with championship promotion credentials, Mackay or Hughton would be the better choices really.[/p][/quote]In fairness - att the time article was written - Steve Clarke was favourite with 'the bookies' That has now changed Just as Sherwood has been favorite and Hughton - betting odds change Is not the fault of Argus just my opinion SeagullJay
  • Score: 43

12:53pm Tue 3 Jun 14

SonnyJim55 says...

So a long list of impressive candidates. Who are/were they? This is becoming another close season shambles. And I think the powers that be are starting to take the fans for mugs now.
I have nothing against Hyppia if he is the one but it is pretty obvious that he would not have been the no 1 choice. If so that means the people who were supposedly interviewed last week all were pretty shoddy in the interviewing technique department (doubtful) or that they wanted either a salary that wouldnt be forthcoming, or an actual say over transfers (likely).
So if it is Hyppia I will wish him good luck and dont forget to do as you are told, any dissent or hint of dissatisfaction and you will out on your ear.
See you all again this time next year for the next gripping instalment that is the annual Albion manager hunt!
So a long list of impressive candidates. Who are/were they? This is becoming another close season shambles. And I think the powers that be are starting to take the fans for mugs now. I have nothing against Hyppia if he is the one but it is pretty obvious that he would not have been the no 1 choice. If so that means the people who were supposedly interviewed last week all were pretty shoddy in the interviewing technique department (doubtful) or that they wanted either a salary that wouldnt be forthcoming, or an actual say over transfers (likely). So if it is Hyppia I will wish him good luck and dont forget to do as you are told, any dissent or hint of dissatisfaction and you will out on your ear. See you all again this time next year for the next gripping instalment that is the annual Albion manager hunt! SonnyJim55
  • Score: -19

12:55pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Mr Farkenbus says...

Is that a Syrup?
Is that a Syrup? Mr Farkenbus
  • Score: 10

12:59pm Tue 3 Jun 14

CantUseNSCatWork says...

Bored. Bored. Bored. Now ignoring all names, links, prospects and interested parties until the new man is announced.
Bored. Bored. Bored. Now ignoring all names, links, prospects and interested parties until the new man is announced. CantUseNSCatWork
  • Score: 24

1:01pm Tue 3 Jun 14

pjwilk says...

SonnyJim55 wrote:
So a long list of impressive candidates. Who are/were they? This is becoming another close season shambles. And I think the powers that be are starting to take the fans for mugs now.
I have nothing against Hyppia if he is the one but it is pretty obvious that he would not have been the no 1 choice. If so that means the people who were supposedly interviewed last week all were pretty shoddy in the interviewing technique department (doubtful) or that they wanted either a salary that wouldnt be forthcoming, or an actual say over transfers (likely).
So if it is Hyppia I will wish him good luck and dont forget to do as you are told, any dissent or hint of dissatisfaction and you will out on your ear.
See you all again this time next year for the next gripping instalment that is the annual Albion manager hunt!
Not a good choice,if he is appointed it will just be a fill in and not long term.No experience in the Championship and not much at all at any level.Another shambles in the making.
[quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: So a long list of impressive candidates. Who are/were they? This is becoming another close season shambles. And I think the powers that be are starting to take the fans for mugs now. I have nothing against Hyppia if he is the one but it is pretty obvious that he would not have been the no 1 choice. If so that means the people who were supposedly interviewed last week all were pretty shoddy in the interviewing technique department (doubtful) or that they wanted either a salary that wouldnt be forthcoming, or an actual say over transfers (likely). So if it is Hyppia I will wish him good luck and dont forget to do as you are told, any dissent or hint of dissatisfaction and you will out on your ear. See you all again this time next year for the next gripping instalment that is the annual Albion manager hunt![/p][/quote]Not a good choice,if he is appointed it will just be a fill in and not long term.No experience in the Championship and not much at all at any level.Another shambles in the making. pjwilk
  • Score: 1

1:01pm Tue 3 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

SonnyJim55 wrote:
So a long list of impressive candidates. Who are/were they? This is becoming another close season shambles. And I think the powers that be are starting to take the fans for mugs now.
I have nothing against Hyppia if he is the one but it is pretty obvious that he would not have been the no 1 choice. If so that means the people who were supposedly interviewed last week all were pretty shoddy in the interviewing technique department (doubtful) or that they wanted either a salary that wouldnt be forthcoming, or an actual say over transfers (likely).
So if it is Hyppia I will wish him good luck and dont forget to do as you are told, any dissent or hint of dissatisfaction and you will out on your ear.
See you all again this time next year for the next gripping instalment that is the annual Albion manager hunt!
it is also obvious that the calbre of other clubs looking for a new manager would mean that Brighton is not the first choice of some of the available applicants. 'Out on your ear,' Poyet was fired for gross misconduct and Gracia chose to leave, so who is it you are refering to when you say one of our managers has found himself, out on his ear?
[quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: So a long list of impressive candidates. Who are/were they? This is becoming another close season shambles. And I think the powers that be are starting to take the fans for mugs now. I have nothing against Hyppia if he is the one but it is pretty obvious that he would not have been the no 1 choice. If so that means the people who were supposedly interviewed last week all were pretty shoddy in the interviewing technique department (doubtful) or that they wanted either a salary that wouldnt be forthcoming, or an actual say over transfers (likely). So if it is Hyppia I will wish him good luck and dont forget to do as you are told, any dissent or hint of dissatisfaction and you will out on your ear. See you all again this time next year for the next gripping instalment that is the annual Albion manager hunt![/p][/quote]it is also obvious that the calbre of other clubs looking for a new manager would mean that Brighton is not the first choice of some of the available applicants. 'Out on your ear,' Poyet was fired for gross misconduct and Gracia chose to leave, so who is it you are refering to when you say one of our managers has found himself, out on his ear? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 6

1:02pm Tue 3 Jun 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

SeagullJay wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
So the Steve Clarke article was pointless then. Hyypia another relative unknown and difficult to judge how he'd do at Albion, a bit of an underwhelming name tbh. We could do worse, however I also think we could do a lot better, and ensure a manager with championship promotion credentials, Mackay or Hughton would be the better choices really.
In fairness - att the time article was written - Steve Clarke was favourite with 'the bookies'
That has now changed
Just as Sherwood has been favorite and Hughton - betting odds change
Is not the fault of Argus

just my opinion
This is becoming the biggest wild goose chase in the history of, well, wild geese, yes it's not the argus fault but it's getting ridiculous.
[quote][p][bold]SeagullJay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: So the Steve Clarke article was pointless then. Hyypia another relative unknown and difficult to judge how he'd do at Albion, a bit of an underwhelming name tbh. We could do worse, however I also think we could do a lot better, and ensure a manager with championship promotion credentials, Mackay or Hughton would be the better choices really.[/p][/quote]In fairness - att the time article was written - Steve Clarke was favourite with 'the bookies' That has now changed Just as Sherwood has been favorite and Hughton - betting odds change Is not the fault of Argus just my opinion[/p][/quote]This is becoming the biggest wild goose chase in the history of, well, wild geese, yes it's not the argus fault but it's getting ridiculous. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: -7

1:05pm Tue 3 Jun 14

To baldly go says...

Looking at the comments above, it doesnt seem this would be a popular appointment even before we start! and i must admit i feel the same, he has managed one club (bayer leverkusan) and that in partnership with Sascha Lewandowski for half the time, a team with money to spend and big names already playing for them, so what can he bring to us? Worrying times ahead!
Looking at the comments above, it doesnt seem this would be a popular appointment even before we start! and i must admit i feel the same, he has managed one club (bayer leverkusan) and that in partnership with Sascha Lewandowski for half the time, a team with money to spend and big names already playing for them, so what can he bring to us? Worrying times ahead! To baldly go
  • Score: 2

1:10pm Tue 3 Jun 14

smegbuster says...

As I understand it, the club has not release any names of anyone on their long-list or short-list. The only factual content that we have in this article seems to be "Albion spoke to contenders last week and the quest to replace Oscar is continuing." I suspect anything else is likely to be just speculation or rumour, so I don't feel it's fair for some people above to criticise the club over "the ones that got away" - after all, for all we know the club may never have been considering those names in the first place.
Back to the quoted factual content, though - my reading of that is that the speaking has now finished, and we're now in the deciding stage (either the club still mulling over what offers to make, or a candidate mulling over or haggling over an offer). Hopefully that means that we'll have our manager announced soon, but personally I'm not building up my hopes on who it is (or dashing my hopes on who it isn't) based on bookies' odds that may or may not be grounded in any inside knowledge.
As I understand it, the club has not release any names of anyone on their long-list or short-list. The only factual content that we have in this article seems to be "Albion spoke to contenders last week and the quest to replace Oscar is continuing." I suspect anything else is likely to be just speculation or rumour, so I don't feel it's fair for some people above to criticise the club over "the ones that got away" - after all, for all we know the club may never have been considering those names in the first place. Back to the quoted factual content, though - my reading of that is that the speaking has now finished, and we're now in the deciding stage (either the club still mulling over what offers to make, or a candidate mulling over or haggling over an offer). Hopefully that means that we'll have our manager announced soon, but personally I'm not building up my hopes on who it is (or dashing my hopes on who it isn't) based on bookies' odds that may or may not be grounded in any inside knowledge. smegbuster
  • Score: 18

1:15pm Tue 3 Jun 14

pjwilk says...

Just get Brian McDermott vastly experienced at this level but is he too much of a proper Manager that he would stand up to the BBs that seem to have taken over control of Brighton.Its like having Farage as manager being controlled by Blair and Cambell,it just wont work.
Just get Brian McDermott vastly experienced at this level but is he too much of a proper Manager that he would stand up to the BBs that seem to have taken over control of Brighton.Its like having Farage as manager being controlled by Blair and Cambell,it just wont work. pjwilk
  • Score: -15

1:16pm Tue 3 Jun 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Whoever we get it's time someone stated the truth! Of course Tony Bloom has done an incredible job by paying for everything for a few years. However, it cannot be denied that the club has now an appalling record for managerial changes. For whatever reason - I'm not suggesting who is responsible but let's face some facts.

This next manager will be our SIXTH MANAGER IN SIX YEARS! That is nothing short of disgraceful and no recipe for building a successful club. That's all that I'm highlighting and suggest we need some kind of policy to get some stability in the place. Surely the powers that be recognize that stability is the bedrock of long term and sustained success.

And it's no good saying Oscar left us in the lurch - let's start asking why these changes. Fat Boy Slim's sly dig at Oscar on that Sky TV show was low class and if that's the attitude of the Board in general we have got problems.

It's like refusing to sell Dick Knight's book in the club shop - it all smacks of petty egos run wild and that seems to be affecting the club as a whole.
Whoever we get it's time someone stated the truth! Of course Tony Bloom has done an incredible job by paying for everything for a few years. However, it cannot be denied that the club has now an appalling record for managerial changes. For whatever reason - I'm not suggesting who is responsible but let's face some facts. This next manager will be our SIXTH MANAGER IN SIX YEARS! That is nothing short of disgraceful and no recipe for building a successful club. That's all that I'm highlighting and suggest we need some kind of policy to get some stability in the place. Surely the powers that be recognize that stability is the bedrock of long term and sustained success. And it's no good saying Oscar left us in the lurch - let's start asking why these changes. Fat Boy Slim's sly dig at Oscar on that Sky TV show was low class and if that's the attitude of the Board in general we have got problems. It's like refusing to sell Dick Knight's book in the club shop - it all smacks of petty egos run wild and that seems to be affecting the club as a whole. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 34

1:16pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Sami Hyypia? Good defender with Liverpool but don't know much about his managerial credentials. Got the sack in his last job but that could mean anything these days. Both Chris Hughton and Steve Clarke are in the same boat and certainly the latter was unlucky.
If the Celtic job falls through I'd definitely go for Steve Clarke. But what do I know? The same as everybody else I guess. Both Gus and Oscar were unknowns and they did pretty well. UTA
Sami Hyypia? Good defender with Liverpool but don't know much about his managerial credentials. Got the sack in his last job but that could mean anything these days. Both Chris Hughton and Steve Clarke are in the same boat and certainly the latter was unlucky. If the Celtic job falls through I'd definitely go for Steve Clarke. But what do I know? The same as everybody else I guess. Both Gus and Oscar were unknowns and they did pretty well. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 16

1:17pm Tue 3 Jun 14

peterpan32 says...

Whoever is going to get the job, not everyone is going to be happy. Not everyone was happy with poyet when first appointed and look what he did for us (then turn into abit of a t@#t). People weren't happy with Oscar,in my opinion he did really well considering the injuries we had.

hyypia could turn out to be the man to get us up. But there's only one way to find out.
Whoever is going to get the job, not everyone is going to be happy. Not everyone was happy with poyet when first appointed and look what he did for us (then turn into abit of a t@#t). People weren't happy with Oscar,in my opinion he did really well considering the injuries we had. hyypia could turn out to be the man to get us up. But there's only one way to find out. peterpan32
  • Score: 15

1:18pm Tue 3 Jun 14

AlanDuffy says...

Whoever is appointed, I think we need to do something soon. Just read that another Championship club ( Wigan ) have signed Cardiff left-back, Taylor, 27, Premiership experience, just the sort of player we should be looking at getting in. Interesting though, that the other clubs currently without managers (Southampton, Leeds, West Brom ) are all taking their time, but can't help feeling we need someone in BEFORE pre-season, so he can be involved in signing the players we are going to need for next season - at least 6, in my view, with a decent keeper, left back and centre back priorities.
Whoever is appointed, I think we need to do something soon. Just read that another Championship club ( Wigan ) have signed Cardiff left-back, Taylor, 27, Premiership experience, just the sort of player we should be looking at getting in. Interesting though, that the other clubs currently without managers (Southampton, Leeds, West Brom ) are all taking their time, but can't help feeling we need someone in BEFORE pre-season, so he can be involved in signing the players we are going to need for next season - at least 6, in my view, with a decent keeper, left back and centre back priorities. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 5

1:18pm Tue 3 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

smegbuster wrote:
As I understand it, the club has not release any names of anyone on their long-list or short-list. The only factual content that we have in this article seems to be "Albion spoke to contenders last week and the quest to replace Oscar is continuing." I suspect anything else is likely to be just speculation or rumour, so I don't feel it's fair for some people above to criticise the club over "the ones that got away" - after all, for all we know the club may never have been considering those names in the first place.
Back to the quoted factual content, though - my reading of that is that the speaking has now finished, and we're now in the deciding stage (either the club still mulling over what offers to make, or a candidate mulling over or haggling over an offer). Hopefully that means that we'll have our manager announced soon, but personally I'm not building up my hopes on who it is (or dashing my hopes on who it isn't) based on bookies' odds that may or may not be grounded in any inside knowledge.
Sky Sports is running a story that says, 'Brighton are in talks with Hyypia,' if this is correct, that would suggest that we have not spoken to him in the past weeks. Maybe Bloom has tired of other applicants dragging their heels regarding any offers we might have made, and now Bloom is moving to plan B or C.
[quote][p][bold]smegbuster[/bold] wrote: As I understand it, the club has not release any names of anyone on their long-list or short-list. The only factual content that we have in this article seems to be "Albion spoke to contenders last week and the quest to replace Oscar is continuing." I suspect anything else is likely to be just speculation or rumour, so I don't feel it's fair for some people above to criticise the club over "the ones that got away" - after all, for all we know the club may never have been considering those names in the first place. Back to the quoted factual content, though - my reading of that is that the speaking has now finished, and we're now in the deciding stage (either the club still mulling over what offers to make, or a candidate mulling over or haggling over an offer). Hopefully that means that we'll have our manager announced soon, but personally I'm not building up my hopes on who it is (or dashing my hopes on who it isn't) based on bookies' odds that may or may not be grounded in any inside knowledge.[/p][/quote]Sky Sports is running a story that says, 'Brighton are in talks with Hyypia,' if this is correct, that would suggest that we have not spoken to him in the past weeks. Maybe Bloom has tired of other applicants dragging their heels regarding any offers we might have made, and now Bloom is moving to plan B or C. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

1:19pm Tue 3 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

I can't see Hughton being considered for Celtic Saints or West Brom posts, that leaves us if he not offered it or does not take it then that will be a worry, Clarke may fancy Celtic job, Sherwood who knows probably premiership club, if it is Hyypia I would be disappointed with that appointment no disrespect to the guy but not for us surely,
Up the Albion!!!
I can't see Hughton being considered for Celtic Saints or West Brom posts, that leaves us if he not offered it or does not take it then that will be a worry, Clarke may fancy Celtic job, Sherwood who knows probably premiership club, if it is Hyypia I would be disappointed with that appointment no disrespect to the guy but not for us surely, Up the Albion!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 2

1:19pm Tue 3 Jun 14

SonnyJim55 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
SonnyJim55 wrote:
So a long list of impressive candidates. Who are/were they? This is becoming another close season shambles. And I think the powers that be are starting to take the fans for mugs now.
I have nothing against Hyppia if he is the one but it is pretty obvious that he would not have been the no 1 choice. If so that means the people who were supposedly interviewed last week all were pretty shoddy in the interviewing technique department (doubtful) or that they wanted either a salary that wouldnt be forthcoming, or an actual say over transfers (likely).
So if it is Hyppia I will wish him good luck and dont forget to do as you are told, any dissent or hint of dissatisfaction and you will out on your ear.
See you all again this time next year for the next gripping instalment that is the annual Albion manager hunt!
it is also obvious that the calbre of other clubs looking for a new manager would mean that Brighton is not the first choice of some of the available applicants. 'Out on your ear,' Poyet was fired for gross misconduct and Gracia chose to leave, so who is it you are refering to when you say one of our managers has found himself, out on his ear?
I have re-read my post and nowhere have I said that either of those 2 or any other manager were out on their ear. But obviously Gus was fired, like him or loathe him I dont think anyone could doubt his talents. As for Oscar, well there was seemingly a difference of opinion over transfer targets in January and this was one of the reasons why he departed?
So if it is Hyppia (and it is all speculation I agree) then he will have agreed I assume to run with whatever the board have asked.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: So a long list of impressive candidates. Who are/were they? This is becoming another close season shambles. And I think the powers that be are starting to take the fans for mugs now. I have nothing against Hyppia if he is the one but it is pretty obvious that he would not have been the no 1 choice. If so that means the people who were supposedly interviewed last week all were pretty shoddy in the interviewing technique department (doubtful) or that they wanted either a salary that wouldnt be forthcoming, or an actual say over transfers (likely). So if it is Hyppia I will wish him good luck and dont forget to do as you are told, any dissent or hint of dissatisfaction and you will out on your ear. See you all again this time next year for the next gripping instalment that is the annual Albion manager hunt![/p][/quote]it is also obvious that the calbre of other clubs looking for a new manager would mean that Brighton is not the first choice of some of the available applicants. 'Out on your ear,' Poyet was fired for gross misconduct and Gracia chose to leave, so who is it you are refering to when you say one of our managers has found himself, out on his ear?[/p][/quote]I have re-read my post and nowhere have I said that either of those 2 or any other manager were out on their ear. But obviously Gus was fired, like him or loathe him I dont think anyone could doubt his talents. As for Oscar, well there was seemingly a difference of opinion over transfer targets in January and this was one of the reasons why he departed? So if it is Hyppia (and it is all speculation I agree) then he will have agreed I assume to run with whatever the board have asked. SonnyJim55
  • Score: 7

1:20pm Tue 3 Jun 14

lighteninglee says...

am wondering how far down the list hypia is of the candidates for the job cause he Def is not to of mine not anywhere close.
am wondering how far down the list hypia is of the candidates for the job cause he Def is not to of mine not anywhere close. lighteninglee
  • Score: -2

1:21pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Quiterie says...

Frédéric Hantz (Bastia manager) is now 2nd favourite.

I always suspected they would go for another foreign manager.
Frédéric Hantz (Bastia manager) is now 2nd favourite. I always suspected they would go for another foreign manager. Quiterie
  • Score: 7

1:21pm Tue 3 Jun 14

pte says...

We need someone physically imposing, some that can instill real fear to get what he wants regarding player acquisition. No more nice guys that just shrug their shoulders
We need someone physically imposing, some that can instill real fear to get what he wants regarding player acquisition. No more nice guys that just shrug their shoulders pte
  • Score: -3

1:27pm Tue 3 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Now I can see this one happening if only because he doesn't have much hope of landing one of the other four current vacancies. Celtic, West Brom and Southampton, can't really see any of them taking Hyypia, Leeds is a maybe and that leaves us.
Hi Vegas think your find Festa will be next Leeds manager, I wouldn't be over joyed with Hyypia, don't no what you think,
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Now I can see this one happening if only because he doesn't have much hope of landing one of the other four current vacancies. Celtic, West Brom and Southampton, can't really see any of them taking Hyypia, Leeds is a maybe and that leaves us.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas think your find Festa will be next Leeds manager, I wouldn't be over joyed with Hyypia, don't no what you think, JeffLomer
  • Score: -8

1:34pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Barry W says...

Does Sami top the list of high credential candidates ? Or is he the only one that's said YES to all the questions ? Not overwhelmed if he is the best we can do. Nothing against him personally but was hoping for better when I bought my season ticket.
Does Sami top the list of high credential candidates ? Or is he the only one that's said YES to all the questions ? Not overwhelmed if he is the best we can do. Nothing against him personally but was hoping for better when I bought my season ticket. Barry W
  • Score: 0

1:38pm Tue 3 Jun 14

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
SonnyJim55 wrote:
So a long list of impressive candidates. Who are/were they? This is becoming another close season shambles. And I think the powers that be are starting to take the fans for mugs now.
I have nothing against Hyppia if he is the one but it is pretty obvious that he would not have been the no 1 choice. If so that means the people who were supposedly interviewed last week all were pretty shoddy in the interviewing technique department (doubtful) or that they wanted either a salary that wouldnt be forthcoming, or an actual say over transfers (likely).
So if it is Hyppia I will wish him good luck and dont forget to do as you are told, any dissent or hint of dissatisfaction and you will out on your ear.
See you all again this time next year for the next gripping instalment that is the annual Albion manager hunt!
it is also obvious that the calbre of other clubs looking for a new manager would mean that Brighton is not the first choice of some of the available applicants. 'Out on your ear,' Poyet was fired for gross misconduct and Gracia chose to leave, so who is it you are refering to when you say one of our managers has found himself, out on his ear?
Hi Vegas , im with SonnyJim55 on this ,the situation we find ourselves in at the moment proves to me, that it is very likely GP was backed into a corner that ended with his sacking because he fought the system ( B&B ) and equally Oscar`s departure due to broken promises and lack of financial support for players . These were two very competent Managers ,but unwilling Coaches ,and we cant have people that think for themselves can we ! ,Oscar is the only prove of this i need ,an highly inteligent and moralistic man ,who felt the need to back out of an agreement ,which presumably was excepted by B&B because there was never any intention to keep their word ,otherwise we would have sacked Oscar for the same reasons as GP ,im just very sad that TB hasn`t put his personal word to either man and sorted B&B out ,the alternative would mean he also has gone back on his word ,and that is something i do not want to believe for one second . UTA
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: So a long list of impressive candidates. Who are/were they? This is becoming another close season shambles. And I think the powers that be are starting to take the fans for mugs now. I have nothing against Hyppia if he is the one but it is pretty obvious that he would not have been the no 1 choice. If so that means the people who were supposedly interviewed last week all were pretty shoddy in the interviewing technique department (doubtful) or that they wanted either a salary that wouldnt be forthcoming, or an actual say over transfers (likely). So if it is Hyppia I will wish him good luck and dont forget to do as you are told, any dissent or hint of dissatisfaction and you will out on your ear. See you all again this time next year for the next gripping instalment that is the annual Albion manager hunt![/p][/quote]it is also obvious that the calbre of other clubs looking for a new manager would mean that Brighton is not the first choice of some of the available applicants. 'Out on your ear,' Poyet was fired for gross misconduct and Gracia chose to leave, so who is it you are refering to when you say one of our managers has found himself, out on his ear?[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas , im with SonnyJim55 on this ,the situation we find ourselves in at the moment proves to me, that it is very likely GP was backed into a corner that ended with his sacking because he fought the system ( B&B ) and equally Oscar`s departure due to broken promises and lack of financial support for players . These were two very competent Managers ,but unwilling Coaches ,and we cant have people that think for themselves can we ! ,Oscar is the only prove of this i need ,an highly inteligent and moralistic man ,who felt the need to back out of an agreement ,which presumably was excepted by B&B because there was never any intention to keep their word ,otherwise we would have sacked Oscar for the same reasons as GP ,im just very sad that TB hasn`t put his personal word to either man and sorted B&B out ,the alternative would mean he also has gone back on his word ,and that is something i do not want to believe for one second . UTA tug509
  • Score: -3

1:41pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

The Dream Ticket would be Frank Lampard as player/manager but time is not on our side because he won't commit to anything till after the World Cup. Let's hope England bomb out early then!. UTA
The Dream Ticket would be Frank Lampard as player/manager but time is not on our side because he won't commit to anything till after the World Cup. Let's hope England bomb out early then!. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: -17

1:43pm Tue 3 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

it is all over sky sports main headline about Hyypia, advanced negotiations taking place,
it is all over sky sports main headline about Hyypia, advanced negotiations taking place, JeffLomer
  • Score: 3

1:43pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Barry W says...

See Stephen Ward and Lingard are talking to Burnley and QPR,so we have no chance of them without a manager,another 2 lost.
See Stephen Ward and Lingard are talking to Burnley and QPR,so we have no chance of them without a manager,another 2 lost. Barry W
  • Score: 1

1:44pm Tue 3 Jun 14

daveyboy35 says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
The Dream Ticket would be Frank Lampard as player/manager but time is not on our side because he won't commit to anything till after the World Cup. Let's hope England bomb out early then!. UTA
Idiot
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: The Dream Ticket would be Frank Lampard as player/manager but time is not on our side because he won't commit to anything till after the World Cup. Let's hope England bomb out early then!. UTA[/p][/quote]Idiot daveyboy35
  • Score: 5

1:46pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Barry W wrote:
See Stephen Ward and Lingard are talking to Burnley and QPR,so we have no chance of them without a manager,another 2 lost.
Is it to do with not having a manager, or is that both of those teams will be in the Premier League next season?
[quote][p][bold]Barry W[/bold] wrote: See Stephen Ward and Lingard are talking to Burnley and QPR,so we have no chance of them without a manager,another 2 lost.[/p][/quote]Is it to do with not having a manager, or is that both of those teams will be in the Premier League next season? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 11

1:46pm Tue 3 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Brighton don't have a God given right to land a top manager, if you strip away the glittering stadium and our state of the art new facility, what you have left is an owner who wants success but not at any price and not instantly.
The infrastructure of the club is a pointer to our ambitions, you don't spend the amount Bloom has spent without having a plan, but any new manager must look past the glitz and focus on the task ahead.
Brighton is not an easy c;lub to manage, the fans expect a measure of success every year and after reaching the play-offs two years on the bounce, the fans are now setting their sights higher.
It might well be that possible appliants have looked at our gate numbers, recognised our two play-off seasons and decided the job is too much of a gamble considering the transfer budget they will have to work with. Finish outside of the play-offs and you might be seen as a failure, by the fans that is.

The sale of Ulloa could change the whole picture, if the price is right. We don't want to sell him, and we don't want him sold until a new manager is installed, but do we need his money added to the transfer kitty before we can get a high profile replacement for Garcia. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Brighton don't have a God given right to land a top manager, if you strip away the glittering stadium and our state of the art new facility, what you have left is an owner who wants success but not at any price and not instantly. The infrastructure of the club is a pointer to our ambitions, you don't spend the amount Bloom has spent without having a plan, but any new manager must look past the glitz and focus on the task ahead. Brighton is not an easy c;lub to manage, the fans expect a measure of success every year and after reaching the play-offs two years on the bounce, the fans are now setting their sights higher. It might well be that possible appliants have looked at our gate numbers, recognised our two play-off seasons and decided the job is too much of a gamble considering the transfer budget they will have to work with. Finish outside of the play-offs and you might be seen as a failure, by the fans that is. The sale of Ulloa could change the whole picture, if the price is right. We don't want to sell him, and we don't want him sold until a new manager is installed, but do we need his money added to the transfer kitty before we can get a high profile replacement for Garcia. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 13

1:53pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
SonnyJim55 wrote:
So a long list of impressive candidates. Who are/were they? This is becoming another close season shambles. And I think the powers that be are starting to take the fans for mugs now.
I have nothing against Hyppia if he is the one but it is pretty obvious that he would not have been the no 1 choice. If so that means the people who were supposedly interviewed last week all were pretty shoddy in the interviewing technique department (doubtful) or that they wanted either a salary that wouldnt be forthcoming, or an actual say over transfers (likely).
So if it is Hyppia I will wish him good luck and dont forget to do as you are told, any dissent or hint of dissatisfaction and you will out on your ear.
See you all again this time next year for the next gripping instalment that is the annual Albion manager hunt!
it is also obvious that the calbre of other clubs looking for a new manager would mean that Brighton is not the first choice of some of the available applicants. 'Out on your ear,' Poyet was fired for gross misconduct and Gracia chose to leave, so who is it you are refering to when you say one of our managers has found himself, out on his ear?
Hi Vegas , im with SonnyJim55 on this ,the situation we find ourselves in at the moment proves to me, that it is very likely GP was backed into a corner that ended with his sacking because he fought the system ( B&B ) and equally Oscar`s departure due to broken promises and lack of financial support for players . These were two very competent Managers ,but unwilling Coaches ,and we cant have people that think for themselves can we ! ,Oscar is the only prove of this i need ,an highly inteligent and moralistic man ,who felt the need to back out of an agreement ,which presumably was excepted by B&B because there was never any intention to keep their word ,otherwise we would have sacked Oscar for the same reasons as GP ,im just very sad that TB hasn`t put his personal word to either man and sorted B&B out ,the alternative would mean he also has gone back on his word ,and that is something i do not want to believe for one second . UTA
Your point is somewhat diluted by describing OG very definitely as a manager and not as a coach. He has never been a 'manager' and has only ever coached, and basically said that's what he wanted when he joined. Indeed, that is precisely the role he has gone back to at MTA.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: So a long list of impressive candidates. Who are/were they? This is becoming another close season shambles. And I think the powers that be are starting to take the fans for mugs now. I have nothing against Hyppia if he is the one but it is pretty obvious that he would not have been the no 1 choice. If so that means the people who were supposedly interviewed last week all were pretty shoddy in the interviewing technique department (doubtful) or that they wanted either a salary that wouldnt be forthcoming, or an actual say over transfers (likely). So if it is Hyppia I will wish him good luck and dont forget to do as you are told, any dissent or hint of dissatisfaction and you will out on your ear. See you all again this time next year for the next gripping instalment that is the annual Albion manager hunt![/p][/quote]it is also obvious that the calbre of other clubs looking for a new manager would mean that Brighton is not the first choice of some of the available applicants. 'Out on your ear,' Poyet was fired for gross misconduct and Gracia chose to leave, so who is it you are refering to when you say one of our managers has found himself, out on his ear?[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas , im with SonnyJim55 on this ,the situation we find ourselves in at the moment proves to me, that it is very likely GP was backed into a corner that ended with his sacking because he fought the system ( B&B ) and equally Oscar`s departure due to broken promises and lack of financial support for players . These were two very competent Managers ,but unwilling Coaches ,and we cant have people that think for themselves can we ! ,Oscar is the only prove of this i need ,an highly inteligent and moralistic man ,who felt the need to back out of an agreement ,which presumably was excepted by B&B because there was never any intention to keep their word ,otherwise we would have sacked Oscar for the same reasons as GP ,im just very sad that TB hasn`t put his personal word to either man and sorted B&B out ,the alternative would mean he also has gone back on his word ,and that is something i do not want to believe for one second . UTA[/p][/quote]Your point is somewhat diluted by describing OG very definitely as a manager and not as a coach. He has never been a 'manager' and has only ever coached, and basically said that's what he wanted when he joined. Indeed, that is precisely the role he has gone back to at MTA. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 6

1:57pm Tue 3 Jun 14

ballantrrae says...

Hyypia's name has been mentioned a couple of times on this website so I am not entirely surprised to see him moving up in the betting.
He obviously knows English football well from his time with Liverpool and his experience at Bayer Leverkusen, a much bigger club than Maccabi Tel Aviv, is more impressive in my opinion than Oscar's. Furthermore Bayer Leverkusen were third I believe in the German league when Hyypia left them.
Like others I hope that TB appoints a new Manager soon. I expect an announcement within the next couple of days and feel we need the new man in by the weekend with pre-season only just over 3 weeks away.
Hughton looks a strong candidate as does Clarke although Celtic remains a potential option for him. Sherwood seems to be increasingly unlikely. Mackay who had been one of my front runners has distanced himself from the post, Clements is staying at Madrid while Neville seems to be an outsider. Lennon remains a possibility but probably is in the mix for any one of Southampton, WBA or Leeds.
Whether it is just a simple choice between Hughton, Clarke and Hyypia we won't ever know but all three are good options for TB. I still would not be surprised if TB appointed someone not on anybody's radar.
Clearly the club has had plenty of time to fully assess and vet the candidates on the short list and to meet with them to explore suitable strategic ways forward for the club with the different candidates. Incidentally given the amount of time spent interviewing those on the shortlist I am not sure quite how short the list actually was.
The time for consideration is over and the time for action has arrived. UTA.
Hyypia's name has been mentioned a couple of times on this website so I am not entirely surprised to see him moving up in the betting. He obviously knows English football well from his time with Liverpool and his experience at Bayer Leverkusen, a much bigger club than Maccabi Tel Aviv, is more impressive in my opinion than Oscar's. Furthermore Bayer Leverkusen were third I believe in the German league when Hyypia left them. Like others I hope that TB appoints a new Manager soon. I expect an announcement within the next couple of days and feel we need the new man in by the weekend with pre-season only just over 3 weeks away. Hughton looks a strong candidate as does Clarke although Celtic remains a potential option for him. Sherwood seems to be increasingly unlikely. Mackay who had been one of my front runners has distanced himself from the post, Clements is staying at Madrid while Neville seems to be an outsider. Lennon remains a possibility but probably is in the mix for any one of Southampton, WBA or Leeds. Whether it is just a simple choice between Hughton, Clarke and Hyypia we won't ever know but all three are good options for TB. I still would not be surprised if TB appointed someone not on anybody's radar. Clearly the club has had plenty of time to fully assess and vet the candidates on the short list and to meet with them to explore suitable strategic ways forward for the club with the different candidates. Incidentally given the amount of time spent interviewing those on the shortlist I am not sure quite how short the list actually was. The time for consideration is over and the time for action has arrived. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 14

1:58pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Before everyone slates Sami Hyypia, do you actually know that much about him as a coach?

I don't know the style he plays, but he's been in charge of one of the best Bundesliga clubs for a couple of years. Just how high do you think we as a club should be aiming if that's not good enough?
Before everyone slates Sami Hyypia, do you actually know that much about him as a coach? I don't know the style he plays, but he's been in charge of one of the best Bundesliga clubs for a couple of years. Just how high do you think we as a club should be aiming if that's not good enough? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 35

2:04pm Tue 3 Jun 14

skylight says...

So Hyppia is favourite of the day and there will probably be another one tomorrow. It is all speculation and guesswork.
Vegas said:
"if you strip away the glittering stadium and our state of the art new facility, what you have left is"
25000 min. loyal fans.
a solid Championship league position
A crop of good class young players coming through the D/Squad
No financial worries, if not money to burn.
Plans to develop the Amex site to generate more income
A great part of the Country to live in

It does not sound bad to me !
So Hyppia is favourite of the day and there will probably be another one tomorrow. It is all speculation and guesswork. Vegas said: "if you strip away the glittering stadium and our state of the art new facility, what you have left is" 25000 min. loyal fans. a solid Championship league position A crop of good class young players coming through the D/Squad No financial worries, if not money to burn. Plans to develop the Amex site to generate more income A great part of the Country to live in It does not sound bad to me ! skylight
  • Score: 15

2:04pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Max Ripple says...

CantUseNSCatWork wrote:
Bored. Bored. Bored. Now ignoring all names, links, prospects and interested parties until the new man is announced.
Ooh - another 'favourite' for the job. How many favourites are we going to have. I'm bored with all of this.........
[quote][p][bold]CantUseNSCatWork[/bold] wrote: Bored. Bored. Bored. Now ignoring all names, links, prospects and interested parties until the new man is announced.[/p][/quote]Ooh - another 'favourite' for the job. How many favourites are we going to have. I'm bored with all of this......... Max Ripple
  • Score: 1

2:07pm Tue 3 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Good morning Tug.
As none of us are privy to what goes on behind closed doors we can only guess. We didn't have much luck with transfer dealings, plain and obvious, but we can only speculate as to why that was. Oscar really only had the second window to get anything done and maybe the targets he identified didn't arrive because of price, wages, length of contract, promised playing time or any other reason, there are so many.

I am not one for dwelling on the past, today is more important than yesterday and tomorrow has the potential to be more exciting. Lessons have to be learned from yesterday, and I am sure they have been, but where we are today is all down to Bloom, he sets the rules that others have to follow, be they Burke, Barber or anyone else. It's easy to point the finger at the suits but at the end of the day, Bloom is the boss and it is he that sets the guide lines for others to adhere to. If we didn't spend what we needed to in order to sign some targets that's because ultimately Bloom holds the purse strings, the others are just working to agreed budgets no matter who they are.

Broken promises, well the doors were closed when that talk took place so who knows what was promised, if anything. Oscar came in with his eyes wide open, just as the next guy will, if the package is not what they would hope it to be, then best they walk away now, no good crying later.
Good morning Tug. As none of us are privy to what goes on behind closed doors we can only guess. We didn't have much luck with transfer dealings, plain and obvious, but we can only speculate as to why that was. Oscar really only had the second window to get anything done and maybe the targets he identified didn't arrive because of price, wages, length of contract, promised playing time or any other reason, there are so many. I am not one for dwelling on the past, today is more important than yesterday and tomorrow has the potential to be more exciting. Lessons have to be learned from yesterday, and I am sure they have been, but where we are today is all down to Bloom, he sets the rules that others have to follow, be they Burke, Barber or anyone else. It's easy to point the finger at the suits but at the end of the day, Bloom is the boss and it is he that sets the guide lines for others to adhere to. If we didn't spend what we needed to in order to sign some targets that's because ultimately Bloom holds the purse strings, the others are just working to agreed budgets no matter who they are. Broken promises, well the doors were closed when that talk took place so who knows what was promised, if anything. Oscar came in with his eyes wide open, just as the next guy will, if the package is not what they would hope it to be, then best they walk away now, no good crying later. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 10

2:09pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Anthony 14 says...

I can't understand why people give so many thumbs down to people who suggest the likes Hughton, McDermott, Mowbary. My first choice is Sherwood, but if I would be much happier with these guys than Hypia or...Fred Hantz (who the **** is he??).

I really do hope its not Hypia. I have nothing against the bloke, but we need a proven Championship manager or someone with some passion to give the club a much needed lift, which Sherwood would do.

Come on Bloom, lets not get someone with fluffy credentials!!
I can't understand why people give so many thumbs down to people who suggest the likes Hughton, McDermott, Mowbary. My first choice is Sherwood, but if I would be much happier with these guys than Hypia or...Fred Hantz (who the **** is he??). I really do hope its not Hypia. I have nothing against the bloke, but we need a proven Championship manager or someone with some passion to give the club a much needed lift, which Sherwood would do. Come on Bloom, lets not get someone with fluffy credentials!! Anthony 14
  • Score: -6

2:13pm Tue 3 Jun 14

tug509 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
SonnyJim55 wrote:
So a long list of impressive candidates. Who are/were they? This is becoming another close season shambles. And I think the powers that be are starting to take the fans for mugs now.
I have nothing against Hyppia if he is the one but it is pretty obvious that he would not have been the no 1 choice. If so that means the people who were supposedly interviewed last week all were pretty shoddy in the interviewing technique department (doubtful) or that they wanted either a salary that wouldnt be forthcoming, or an actual say over transfers (likely).
So if it is Hyppia I will wish him good luck and dont forget to do as you are told, any dissent or hint of dissatisfaction and you will out on your ear.
See you all again this time next year for the next gripping instalment that is the annual Albion manager hunt!
it is also obvious that the calbre of other clubs looking for a new manager would mean that Brighton is not the first choice of some of the available applicants. 'Out on your ear,' Poyet was fired for gross misconduct and Gracia chose to leave, so who is it you are refering to when you say one of our managers has found himself, out on his ear?
Hi Vegas , im with SonnyJim55 on this ,the situation we find ourselves in at the moment proves to me, that it is very likely GP was backed into a corner that ended with his sacking because he fought the system ( B&B ) and equally Oscar`s departure due to broken promises and lack of financial support for players . These were two very competent Managers ,but unwilling Coaches ,and we cant have people that think for themselves can we ! ,Oscar is the only prove of this i need ,an highly inteligent and moralistic man ,who felt the need to back out of an agreement ,which presumably was excepted by B&B because there was never any intention to keep their word ,otherwise we would have sacked Oscar for the same reasons as GP ,im just very sad that TB hasn`t put his personal word to either man and sorted B&B out ,the alternative would mean he also has gone back on his word ,and that is something i do not want to believe for one second . UTA
Your point is somewhat diluted by describing OG very definitely as a manager and not as a coach. He has never been a 'manager' and has only ever coached, and basically said that's what he wanted when he joined. Indeed, that is precisely the role he has gone back to at MTA.
I think your taking pedantics to the extreme here ,OG had always worked on the continent ,hence his title Coach ,we still technically had a Manager GP at the time ,BHAFC had never had a Coach in the Managers role before ,but this title was OG`s preference so that was that ,BUT Manager or Coach ,he was still supposed to be in charge of the squad including new signings ,this proved not to be the case ,and that is why so many on here think he left ,what he did elsewhere is of absolutely no concern or consequence to The Albion and therefore totally immaterial .
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: So a long list of impressive candidates. Who are/were they? This is becoming another close season shambles. And I think the powers that be are starting to take the fans for mugs now. I have nothing against Hyppia if he is the one but it is pretty obvious that he would not have been the no 1 choice. If so that means the people who were supposedly interviewed last week all were pretty shoddy in the interviewing technique department (doubtful) or that they wanted either a salary that wouldnt be forthcoming, or an actual say over transfers (likely). So if it is Hyppia I will wish him good luck and dont forget to do as you are told, any dissent or hint of dissatisfaction and you will out on your ear. See you all again this time next year for the next gripping instalment that is the annual Albion manager hunt![/p][/quote]it is also obvious that the calbre of other clubs looking for a new manager would mean that Brighton is not the first choice of some of the available applicants. 'Out on your ear,' Poyet was fired for gross misconduct and Gracia chose to leave, so who is it you are refering to when you say one of our managers has found himself, out on his ear?[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas , im with SonnyJim55 on this ,the situation we find ourselves in at the moment proves to me, that it is very likely GP was backed into a corner that ended with his sacking because he fought the system ( B&B ) and equally Oscar`s departure due to broken promises and lack of financial support for players . These were two very competent Managers ,but unwilling Coaches ,and we cant have people that think for themselves can we ! ,Oscar is the only prove of this i need ,an highly inteligent and moralistic man ,who felt the need to back out of an agreement ,which presumably was excepted by B&B because there was never any intention to keep their word ,otherwise we would have sacked Oscar for the same reasons as GP ,im just very sad that TB hasn`t put his personal word to either man and sorted B&B out ,the alternative would mean he also has gone back on his word ,and that is something i do not want to believe for one second . UTA[/p][/quote]Your point is somewhat diluted by describing OG very definitely as a manager and not as a coach. He has never been a 'manager' and has only ever coached, and basically said that's what he wanted when he joined. Indeed, that is precisely the role he has gone back to at MTA.[/p][/quote]I think your taking pedantics to the extreme here ,OG had always worked on the continent ,hence his title Coach ,we still technically had a Manager GP at the time ,BHAFC had never had a Coach in the Managers role before ,but this title was OG`s preference so that was that ,BUT Manager or Coach ,he was still supposed to be in charge of the squad including new signings ,this proved not to be the case ,and that is why so many on here think he left ,what he did elsewhere is of absolutely no concern or consequence to The Albion and therefore totally immaterial . tug509
  • Score: 0

2:26pm Tue 3 Jun 14

lighteninglee says...

why is Di matteo never been employed by anyone since chelsea? not saying anything about him and the vacant Brighton job. sherwood the man for me.
why is Di matteo never been employed by anyone since chelsea? not saying anything about him and the vacant Brighton job. sherwood the man for me. lighteninglee
  • Score: 0

2:27pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
SonnyJim55 wrote:
So a long list of impressive candidates. Who are/were they? This is becoming another close season shambles. And I think the powers that be are starting to take the fans for mugs now.
I have nothing against Hyppia if he is the one but it is pretty obvious that he would not have been the no 1 choice. If so that means the people who were supposedly interviewed last week all were pretty shoddy in the interviewing technique department (doubtful) or that they wanted either a salary that wouldnt be forthcoming, or an actual say over transfers (likely).
So if it is Hyppia I will wish him good luck and dont forget to do as you are told, any dissent or hint of dissatisfaction and you will out on your ear.
See you all again this time next year for the next gripping instalment that is the annual Albion manager hunt!
it is also obvious that the calbre of other clubs looking for a new manager would mean that Brighton is not the first choice of some of the available applicants. 'Out on your ear,' Poyet was fired for gross misconduct and Gracia chose to leave, so who is it you are refering to when you say one of our managers has found himself, out on his ear?
Hi Vegas , im with SonnyJim55 on this ,the situation we find ourselves in at the moment proves to me, that it is very likely GP was backed into a corner that ended with his sacking because he fought the system ( B&B ) and equally Oscar`s departure due to broken promises and lack of financial support for players . These were two very competent Managers ,but unwilling Coaches ,and we cant have people that think for themselves can we ! ,Oscar is the only prove of this i need ,an highly inteligent and moralistic man ,who felt the need to back out of an agreement ,which presumably was excepted by B&B because there was never any intention to keep their word ,otherwise we would have sacked Oscar for the same reasons as GP ,im just very sad that TB hasn`t put his personal word to either man and sorted B&B out ,the alternative would mean he also has gone back on his word ,and that is something i do not want to believe for one second . UTA
Your point is somewhat diluted by describing OG very definitely as a manager and not as a coach. He has never been a 'manager' and has only ever coached, and basically said that's what he wanted when he joined. Indeed, that is precisely the role he has gone back to at MTA.
I think your taking pedantics to the extreme here ,OG had always worked on the continent ,hence his title Coach ,we still technically had a Manager GP at the time ,BHAFC had never had a Coach in the Managers role before ,but this title was OG`s preference so that was that ,BUT Manager or Coach ,he was still supposed to be in charge of the squad including new signings ,this proved not to be the case ,and that is why so many on here think he left ,what he did elsewhere is of absolutely no concern or consequence to The Albion and therefore totally immaterial .
It's hardly pedantry, Tug, when it's one of the central points of your post. OG has never been involved in the process of getting players into a club. If he had that would have made him a manager (by today's definition). He would have been head coach even if GP had resigned and the manager's job was still technically available.

OG was in charge of the coaching of the players, and Burke was in charge of recruitment. OG said when he joined he had no experience of recruitment so was glad the club had others who could do that on his behalf. To claim he was an "unwilling coach" is not accurate; he was recruited into that role because that's what the club wanted and that's on what OG had built his reputation.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: So a long list of impressive candidates. Who are/were they? This is becoming another close season shambles. And I think the powers that be are starting to take the fans for mugs now. I have nothing against Hyppia if he is the one but it is pretty obvious that he would not have been the no 1 choice. If so that means the people who were supposedly interviewed last week all were pretty shoddy in the interviewing technique department (doubtful) or that they wanted either a salary that wouldnt be forthcoming, or an actual say over transfers (likely). So if it is Hyppia I will wish him good luck and dont forget to do as you are told, any dissent or hint of dissatisfaction and you will out on your ear. See you all again this time next year for the next gripping instalment that is the annual Albion manager hunt![/p][/quote]it is also obvious that the calbre of other clubs looking for a new manager would mean that Brighton is not the first choice of some of the available applicants. 'Out on your ear,' Poyet was fired for gross misconduct and Gracia chose to leave, so who is it you are refering to when you say one of our managers has found himself, out on his ear?[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas , im with SonnyJim55 on this ,the situation we find ourselves in at the moment proves to me, that it is very likely GP was backed into a corner that ended with his sacking because he fought the system ( B&B ) and equally Oscar`s departure due to broken promises and lack of financial support for players . These were two very competent Managers ,but unwilling Coaches ,and we cant have people that think for themselves can we ! ,Oscar is the only prove of this i need ,an highly inteligent and moralistic man ,who felt the need to back out of an agreement ,which presumably was excepted by B&B because there was never any intention to keep their word ,otherwise we would have sacked Oscar for the same reasons as GP ,im just very sad that TB hasn`t put his personal word to either man and sorted B&B out ,the alternative would mean he also has gone back on his word ,and that is something i do not want to believe for one second . UTA[/p][/quote]Your point is somewhat diluted by describing OG very definitely as a manager and not as a coach. He has never been a 'manager' and has only ever coached, and basically said that's what he wanted when he joined. Indeed, that is precisely the role he has gone back to at MTA.[/p][/quote]I think your taking pedantics to the extreme here ,OG had always worked on the continent ,hence his title Coach ,we still technically had a Manager GP at the time ,BHAFC had never had a Coach in the Managers role before ,but this title was OG`s preference so that was that ,BUT Manager or Coach ,he was still supposed to be in charge of the squad including new signings ,this proved not to be the case ,and that is why so many on here think he left ,what he did elsewhere is of absolutely no concern or consequence to The Albion and therefore totally immaterial .[/p][/quote]It's hardly pedantry, Tug, when it's one of the central points of your post. OG has never been involved in the process of getting players into a club. If he had that would have made him a manager (by today's definition). He would have been head coach even if GP had resigned and the manager's job was still technically available. OG was in charge of the coaching of the players, and Burke was in charge of recruitment. OG said when he joined he had no experience of recruitment so was glad the club had others who could do that on his behalf. To claim he was an "unwilling coach" is not accurate; he was recruited into that role because that's what the club wanted and that's on what OG had built his reputation. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

2:39pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Tommy11 says...

2013-14 Championship season.

Winner - Nighel Pearson
Runner Up - Sean Dyche
Play- Off Winnner - Harry Redknapp
Play-Of Runner Up - Steve Mclaren.

BHA - We are not learning if we appoint Hypia! For Goodness sake - please we need to get an experienced manager in who knows what they are doing!

Hypia = Puppet = this ridiculous managment set up is still on going.

Ex -Par Arnie - you haven't got a f***ing clue mate. Hypia was joint manager year before, only did training, team talks etc....Full Head coach this season (again - just undergoing training, team talks etc) and then got sacked before season was done. You never argue against what the club are doing etc etc.. just against us fans who start questioning them. Are you Barber in disguise? or just some Argus/BHA puppet? the points you make are just boring and predictable.
2013-14 Championship season. Winner - Nighel Pearson Runner Up - Sean Dyche Play- Off Winnner - Harry Redknapp Play-Of Runner Up - Steve Mclaren. BHA - We are not learning if we appoint Hypia! For Goodness sake - please we need to get an experienced manager in who knows what they are doing! Hypia = Puppet = this ridiculous managment set up is still on going. Ex -Par Arnie - you haven't got a f***ing clue mate. Hypia was joint manager year before, only did training, team talks etc....Full Head coach this season (again - just undergoing training, team talks etc) and then got sacked before season was done. You never argue against what the club are doing etc etc.. just against us fans who start questioning them. Are you Barber in disguise? or just some Argus/BHA puppet? the points you make are just boring and predictable. Tommy11
  • Score: 0

2:40pm Tue 3 Jun 14

DazLow says...

All this managerial kerfuffle. Somebody, please, make it stop. I am past the point of caring who the new manager is. I am now concerned it's 3 weeks since OG left and we're still without a head coach / manager. We're missing out on players and building a team. The board quickly need to identify their guy, agree terms and get him in whether us fans like him or not. At least then we can get on with supporting our team and getting excited about building one.
All this managerial kerfuffle. Somebody, please, make it stop. I am past the point of caring who the new manager is. I am now concerned it's 3 weeks since OG left and we're still without a head coach / manager. We're missing out on players and building a team. The board quickly need to identify their guy, agree terms and get him in whether us fans like him or not. At least then we can get on with supporting our team and getting excited about building one. DazLow
  • Score: 5

2:47pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Tommy11 wrote:
2013-14 Championship season.

Winner - Nighel Pearson
Runner Up - Sean Dyche
Play- Off Winnner - Harry Redknapp
Play-Of Runner Up - Steve Mclaren.

BHA - We are not learning if we appoint Hypia! For Goodness sake - please we need to get an experienced manager in who knows what they are doing!

Hypia = Puppet = this ridiculous managment set up is still on going.

Ex -Par Arnie - you haven't got a f***ing clue mate. Hypia was joint manager year before, only did training, team talks etc....Full Head coach this season (again - just undergoing training, team talks etc) and then got sacked before season was done. You never argue against what the club are doing etc etc.. just against us fans who start questioning them. Are you Barber in disguise? or just some Argus/BHA puppet? the points you make are just boring and predictable.
Full head coach just this season where he had them second behind Bayern before a poor run led them to 4th.

Not sure how saying that Hyypia has been at a better club than us is somehow unfairly supporting the club we are BOTH meant to be fans of...?

But still, being sworn at by a troll isn't going to ruin my day. I'll tell you if I'm Barber in disguise if you tell me if you're Freeloaders in disguise.
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: 2013-14 Championship season. Winner - Nighel Pearson Runner Up - Sean Dyche Play- Off Winnner - Harry Redknapp Play-Of Runner Up - Steve Mclaren. BHA - We are not learning if we appoint Hypia! For Goodness sake - please we need to get an experienced manager in who knows what they are doing! Hypia = Puppet = this ridiculous managment set up is still on going. Ex -Par Arnie - you haven't got a f***ing clue mate. Hypia was joint manager year before, only did training, team talks etc....Full Head coach this season (again - just undergoing training, team talks etc) and then got sacked before season was done. You never argue against what the club are doing etc etc.. just against us fans who start questioning them. Are you Barber in disguise? or just some Argus/BHA puppet? the points you make are just boring and predictable.[/p][/quote]Full head coach just this season where he had them second behind Bayern before a poor run led them to 4th. Not sure how saying that Hyypia has been at a better club than us is somehow unfairly supporting the club we are BOTH meant to be fans of...? But still, being sworn at by a troll isn't going to ruin my day. I'll tell you if I'm Barber in disguise if you tell me if you're Freeloaders in disguise. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 10

2:52pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Tommy11 wrote:
2013-14 Championship season.

Winner - Nighel Pearson
Runner Up - Sean Dyche
Play- Off Winnner - Harry Redknapp
Play-Of Runner Up - Steve Mclaren.

BHA - We are not learning if we appoint Hypia! For Goodness sake - please we need to get an experienced manager in who knows what they are doing!

Hypia = Puppet = this ridiculous managment set up is still on going.

Ex -Par Arnie - you haven't got a f***ing clue mate. Hypia was joint manager year before, only did training, team talks etc....Full Head coach this season (again - just undergoing training, team talks etc) and then got sacked before season was done. You never argue against what the club are doing etc etc.. just against us fans who start questioning them. Are you Barber in disguise? or just some Argus/BHA puppet? the points you make are just boring and predictable.
PS: 2013-14 Championship season.

Bottom - Gary Johnson
Second bottom - Danny Wilson
Third bottom - Paul Dickov
Fourth bottom - Lee Clark
Fifth bottom - Paul ince/Barry Ferguson

Etc etc

I'm genuinely not sure what point you were trying to make with your list. Are you saying experienced British managers are better than Johnny Foreigner?
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: 2013-14 Championship season. Winner - Nighel Pearson Runner Up - Sean Dyche Play- Off Winnner - Harry Redknapp Play-Of Runner Up - Steve Mclaren. BHA - We are not learning if we appoint Hypia! For Goodness sake - please we need to get an experienced manager in who knows what they are doing! Hypia = Puppet = this ridiculous managment set up is still on going. Ex -Par Arnie - you haven't got a f***ing clue mate. Hypia was joint manager year before, only did training, team talks etc....Full Head coach this season (again - just undergoing training, team talks etc) and then got sacked before season was done. You never argue against what the club are doing etc etc.. just against us fans who start questioning them. Are you Barber in disguise? or just some Argus/BHA puppet? the points you make are just boring and predictable.[/p][/quote]PS: 2013-14 Championship season. Bottom - Gary Johnson Second bottom - Danny Wilson Third bottom - Paul Dickov Fourth bottom - Lee Clark Fifth bottom - Paul ince/Barry Ferguson Etc etc I'm genuinely not sure what point you were trying to make with your list. Are you saying experienced British managers are better than Johnny Foreigner? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 15

3:00pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Tommy11 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Tommy11 wrote: 2013-14 Championship season. Winner - Nighel Pearson Runner Up - Sean Dyche Play- Off Winnner - Harry Redknapp Play-Of Runner Up - Steve Mclaren. BHA - We are not learning if we appoint Hypia! For Goodness sake - please we need to get an experienced manager in who knows what they are doing! Hypia = Puppet = this ridiculous managment set up is still on going. Ex -Par Arnie - you haven't got a f***ing clue mate. Hypia was joint manager year before, only did training, team talks etc....Full Head coach this season (again - just undergoing training, team talks etc) and then got sacked before season was done. You never argue against what the club are doing etc etc.. just against us fans who start questioning them. Are you Barber in disguise? or just some Argus/BHA puppet? the points you make are just boring and predictable.
PS: 2013-14 Championship season. Bottom - Gary Johnson Second bottom - Danny Wilson Third bottom - Paul Dickov Fourth bottom - Lee Clark Fifth bottom - Paul ince/Barry Ferguson Etc etc I'm genuinely not sure what point you were trying to make with your list. Are you saying experienced British managers are better than Johnny Foreigner?
Oh for goodness sake - see what i mean readers?

Yea and John Still won the Conference.

No - I'm saying that British managers are best at getting clubs out of the championship into the premiership - simple as that - and a fact.

And no - you know I'm not a troll -Just another sign of your insecurities.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: 2013-14 Championship season. Winner - Nighel Pearson Runner Up - Sean Dyche Play- Off Winnner - Harry Redknapp Play-Of Runner Up - Steve Mclaren. BHA - We are not learning if we appoint Hypia! For Goodness sake - please we need to get an experienced manager in who knows what they are doing! Hypia = Puppet = this ridiculous managment set up is still on going. Ex -Par Arnie - you haven't got a f***ing clue mate. Hypia was joint manager year before, only did training, team talks etc....Full Head coach this season (again - just undergoing training, team talks etc) and then got sacked before season was done. You never argue against what the club are doing etc etc.. just against us fans who start questioning them. Are you Barber in disguise? or just some Argus/BHA puppet? the points you make are just boring and predictable.[/p][/quote]PS: 2013-14 Championship season. Bottom - Gary Johnson Second bottom - Danny Wilson Third bottom - Paul Dickov Fourth bottom - Lee Clark Fifth bottom - Paul ince/Barry Ferguson Etc etc I'm genuinely not sure what point you were trying to make with your list. Are you saying experienced British managers are better than Johnny Foreigner?[/p][/quote]Oh for goodness sake - see what i mean readers? Yea and John Still won the Conference. No - I'm saying that British managers are best at getting clubs out of the championship into the premiership - simple as that - and a fact. And no - you know I'm not a troll -Just another sign of your insecurities. Tommy11
  • Score: -6

3:02pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Tommy11 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Tommy11 wrote: 2013-14 Championship season. Winner - Nighel Pearson Runner Up - Sean Dyche Play- Off Winnner - Harry Redknapp Play-Of Runner Up - Steve Mclaren. BHA - We are not learning if we appoint Hypia! For Goodness sake - please we need to get an experienced manager in who knows what they are doing! Hypia = Puppet = this ridiculous managment set up is still on going. Ex -Par Arnie - you haven't got a f***ing clue mate. Hypia was joint manager year before, only did training, team talks etc....Full Head coach this season (again - just undergoing training, team talks etc) and then got sacked before season was done. You never argue against what the club are doing etc etc.. just against us fans who start questioning them. Are you Barber in disguise? or just some Argus/BHA puppet? the points you make are just boring and predictable.
PS: 2013-14 Championship season. Bottom - Gary Johnson Second bottom - Danny Wilson Third bottom - Paul Dickov Fourth bottom - Lee Clark Fifth bottom - Paul ince/Barry Ferguson Etc etc I'm genuinely not sure what point you were trying to make with your list. Are you saying experienced British managers are better than Johnny Foreigner?
Oh for goodness sake - see what i mean readers?

Yea and John Still won the Conference.

No - I'm saying that British managers are best at getting clubs out of the championship into the premiership - simple as that - and a fact.

And no - you know I'm not a troll -Just another sign of your insecurities.
And the best at getting them into League One. Your evidence proves nothing other than that the majority of Championship managers are British and that therefore they are more likely to fill some of the top spots.

Apologies for calling you a troll if that is unfair. However swearing does you no favours, even if asterisked.
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: 2013-14 Championship season. Winner - Nighel Pearson Runner Up - Sean Dyche Play- Off Winnner - Harry Redknapp Play-Of Runner Up - Steve Mclaren. BHA - We are not learning if we appoint Hypia! For Goodness sake - please we need to get an experienced manager in who knows what they are doing! Hypia = Puppet = this ridiculous managment set up is still on going. Ex -Par Arnie - you haven't got a f***ing clue mate. Hypia was joint manager year before, only did training, team talks etc....Full Head coach this season (again - just undergoing training, team talks etc) and then got sacked before season was done. You never argue against what the club are doing etc etc.. just against us fans who start questioning them. Are you Barber in disguise? or just some Argus/BHA puppet? the points you make are just boring and predictable.[/p][/quote]PS: 2013-14 Championship season. Bottom - Gary Johnson Second bottom - Danny Wilson Third bottom - Paul Dickov Fourth bottom - Lee Clark Fifth bottom - Paul ince/Barry Ferguson Etc etc I'm genuinely not sure what point you were trying to make with your list. Are you saying experienced British managers are better than Johnny Foreigner?[/p][/quote]Oh for goodness sake - see what i mean readers? Yea and John Still won the Conference. No - I'm saying that British managers are best at getting clubs out of the championship into the premiership - simple as that - and a fact. And no - you know I'm not a troll -Just another sign of your insecurities.[/p][/quote]And the best at getting them into League One. Your evidence proves nothing other than that the majority of Championship managers are British and that therefore they are more likely to fill some of the top spots. Apologies for calling you a troll if that is unfair. However swearing does you no favours, even if asterisked. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 6

3:07pm Tue 3 Jun 14

tug509 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
SonnyJim55 wrote:
So a long list of impressive candidates. Who are/were they? This is becoming another close season shambles. And I think the powers that be are starting to take the fans for mugs now.
I have nothing against Hyppia if he is the one but it is pretty obvious that he would not have been the no 1 choice. If so that means the people who were supposedly interviewed last week all were pretty shoddy in the interviewing technique department (doubtful) or that they wanted either a salary that wouldnt be forthcoming, or an actual say over transfers (likely).
So if it is Hyppia I will wish him good luck and dont forget to do as you are told, any dissent or hint of dissatisfaction and you will out on your ear.
See you all again this time next year for the next gripping instalment that is the annual Albion manager hunt!
it is also obvious that the calbre of other clubs looking for a new manager would mean that Brighton is not the first choice of some of the available applicants. 'Out on your ear,' Poyet was fired for gross misconduct and Gracia chose to leave, so who is it you are refering to when you say one of our managers has found himself, out on his ear?
Hi Vegas , im with SonnyJim55 on this ,the situation we find ourselves in at the moment proves to me, that it is very likely GP was backed into a corner that ended with his sacking because he fought the system ( B&B ) and equally Oscar`s departure due to broken promises and lack of financial support for players . These were two very competent Managers ,but unwilling Coaches ,and we cant have people that think for themselves can we ! ,Oscar is the only prove of this i need ,an highly inteligent and moralistic man ,who felt the need to back out of an agreement ,which presumably was excepted by B&B because there was never any intention to keep their word ,otherwise we would have sacked Oscar for the same reasons as GP ,im just very sad that TB hasn`t put his personal word to either man and sorted B&B out ,the alternative would mean he also has gone back on his word ,and that is something i do not want to believe for one second . UTA
Your point is somewhat diluted by describing OG very definitely as a manager and not as a coach. He has never been a 'manager' and has only ever coached, and basically said that's what he wanted when he joined. Indeed, that is precisely the role he has gone back to at MTA.
I think your taking pedantics to the extreme here ,OG had always worked on the continent ,hence his title Coach ,we still technically had a Manager GP at the time ,BHAFC had never had a Coach in the Managers role before ,but this title was OG`s preference so that was that ,BUT Manager or Coach ,he was still supposed to be in charge of the squad including new signings ,this proved not to be the case ,and that is why so many on here think he left ,what he did elsewhere is of absolutely no concern or consequence to The Albion and therefore totally immaterial .
It's hardly pedantry, Tug, when it's one of the central points of your post. OG has never been involved in the process of getting players into a club. If he had that would have made him a manager (by today's definition). He would have been head coach even if GP had resigned and the manager's job was still technically available.

OG was in charge of the coaching of the players, and Burke was in charge of recruitment. OG said when he joined he had no experience of recruitment so was glad the club had others who could do that on his behalf. To claim he was an "unwilling coach" is not accurate; he was recruited into that role because that's what the club wanted and that's on what OG had built his reputation.
Yes agreed ,regardless of his title my belief is that he was not given the players he needed and should have had a bigger say in new recruits ,and heaven knows we had one heck of a list of injuries at the start of the season ,i also think he had a far better all round knowledge of some of the available players than he was credited for ,and could have done better than NJ did with some of his choices .
My main points still stand ,if not as accurately as you have put them ,OG was imo hired to take over from GP and take our club as far as he could ,i know initially he would need help with new acquisitions but ,if your asking me to believe he was never going to be given a player budget or sign any players of his own ,then that is ridiculous ,and i think the suits renegued on this in some way omo .
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: So a long list of impressive candidates. Who are/were they? This is becoming another close season shambles. And I think the powers that be are starting to take the fans for mugs now. I have nothing against Hyppia if he is the one but it is pretty obvious that he would not have been the no 1 choice. If so that means the people who were supposedly interviewed last week all were pretty shoddy in the interviewing technique department (doubtful) or that they wanted either a salary that wouldnt be forthcoming, or an actual say over transfers (likely). So if it is Hyppia I will wish him good luck and dont forget to do as you are told, any dissent or hint of dissatisfaction and you will out on your ear. See you all again this time next year for the next gripping instalment that is the annual Albion manager hunt![/p][/quote]it is also obvious that the calbre of other clubs looking for a new manager would mean that Brighton is not the first choice of some of the available applicants. 'Out on your ear,' Poyet was fired for gross misconduct and Gracia chose to leave, so who is it you are refering to when you say one of our managers has found himself, out on his ear?[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas , im with SonnyJim55 on this ,the situation we find ourselves in at the moment proves to me, that it is very likely GP was backed into a corner that ended with his sacking because he fought the system ( B&B ) and equally Oscar`s departure due to broken promises and lack of financial support for players . These were two very competent Managers ,but unwilling Coaches ,and we cant have people that think for themselves can we ! ,Oscar is the only prove of this i need ,an highly inteligent and moralistic man ,who felt the need to back out of an agreement ,which presumably was excepted by B&B because there was never any intention to keep their word ,otherwise we would have sacked Oscar for the same reasons as GP ,im just very sad that TB hasn`t put his personal word to either man and sorted B&B out ,the alternative would mean he also has gone back on his word ,and that is something i do not want to believe for one second . UTA[/p][/quote]Your point is somewhat diluted by describing OG very definitely as a manager and not as a coach. He has never been a 'manager' and has only ever coached, and basically said that's what he wanted when he joined. Indeed, that is precisely the role he has gone back to at MTA.[/p][/quote]I think your taking pedantics to the extreme here ,OG had always worked on the continent ,hence his title Coach ,we still technically had a Manager GP at the time ,BHAFC had never had a Coach in the Managers role before ,but this title was OG`s preference so that was that ,BUT Manager or Coach ,he was still supposed to be in charge of the squad including new signings ,this proved not to be the case ,and that is why so many on here think he left ,what he did elsewhere is of absolutely no concern or consequence to The Albion and therefore totally immaterial .[/p][/quote]It's hardly pedantry, Tug, when it's one of the central points of your post. OG has never been involved in the process of getting players into a club. If he had that would have made him a manager (by today's definition). He would have been head coach even if GP had resigned and the manager's job was still technically available. OG was in charge of the coaching of the players, and Burke was in charge of recruitment. OG said when he joined he had no experience of recruitment so was glad the club had others who could do that on his behalf. To claim he was an "unwilling coach" is not accurate; he was recruited into that role because that's what the club wanted and that's on what OG had built his reputation.[/p][/quote]Yes agreed ,regardless of his title my belief is that he was not given the players he needed and should have had a bigger say in new recruits ,and heaven knows we had one heck of a list of injuries at the start of the season ,i also think he had a far better all round knowledge of some of the available players than he was credited for ,and could have done better than NJ did with some of his choices . My main points still stand ,if not as accurately as you have put them ,OG was imo hired to take over from GP and take our club as far as he could ,i know initially he would need help with new acquisitions but ,if your asking me to believe he was never going to be given a player budget or sign any players of his own ,then that is ridiculous ,and i think the suits renegued on this in some way omo . tug509
  • Score: -1

3:08pm Tue 3 Jun 14

heathgate says...

Hyppia is the best I have seen touted so far in my view ( other than Clement).....

Played at the highest level club and country.
Knows English club football.
Wont be put off by the weather.
Managed with good results in a top league.

Sign him up.
Hyppia is the best I have seen touted so far in my view ( other than Clement)..... Played at the highest level club and country. Knows English club football. Wont be put off by the weather. Managed with good results in a top league. Sign him up. heathgate
  • Score: 13

3:09pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Tommy11 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Tommy11 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Tommy11 wrote: 2013-14 Championship season. Winner - Nighel Pearson Runner Up - Sean Dyche Play- Off Winnner - Harry Redknapp Play-Of Runner Up - Steve Mclaren. BHA - We are not learning if we appoint Hypia! For Goodness sake - please we need to get an experienced manager in who knows what they are doing! Hypia = Puppet = this ridiculous managment set up is still on going. Ex -Par Arnie - you haven't got a f***ing clue mate. Hypia was joint manager year before, only did training, team talks etc....Full Head coach this season (again - just undergoing training, team talks etc) and then got sacked before season was done. You never argue against what the club are doing etc etc.. just against us fans who start questioning them. Are you Barber in disguise? or just some Argus/BHA puppet? the points you make are just boring and predictable.
PS: 2013-14 Championship season. Bottom - Gary Johnson Second bottom - Danny Wilson Third bottom - Paul Dickov Fourth bottom - Lee Clark Fifth bottom - Paul ince/Barry Ferguson Etc etc I'm genuinely not sure what point you were trying to make with your list. Are you saying experienced British managers are better than Johnny Foreigner?
Oh for goodness sake - see what i mean readers? Yea and John Still won the Conference. No - I'm saying that British managers are best at getting clubs out of the championship into the premiership - simple as that - and a fact. And no - you know I'm not a troll -Just another sign of your insecurities.
And the best at getting them into League One. Your evidence proves nothing other than that the majority of Championship managers are British and that therefore they are more likely to fill some of the top spots. Apologies for calling you a troll if that is unfair. However swearing does you no favours, even if asterisked.
Arnie, you don’t offer anything to this forum at all.

All you seem to do is look for posts that state some form of criticism against the club/ management/ players and then have a go at that individual . It’s like your some sort of supervisor for the Argus on behalf of the Albion. It’s really pathetic and cringing – and you just look like a total sorry sap.

It’s pathetic.

Please give it a rest lad.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: 2013-14 Championship season. Winner - Nighel Pearson Runner Up - Sean Dyche Play- Off Winnner - Harry Redknapp Play-Of Runner Up - Steve Mclaren. BHA - We are not learning if we appoint Hypia! For Goodness sake - please we need to get an experienced manager in who knows what they are doing! Hypia = Puppet = this ridiculous managment set up is still on going. Ex -Par Arnie - you haven't got a f***ing clue mate. Hypia was joint manager year before, only did training, team talks etc....Full Head coach this season (again - just undergoing training, team talks etc) and then got sacked before season was done. You never argue against what the club are doing etc etc.. just against us fans who start questioning them. Are you Barber in disguise? or just some Argus/BHA puppet? the points you make are just boring and predictable.[/p][/quote]PS: 2013-14 Championship season. Bottom - Gary Johnson Second bottom - Danny Wilson Third bottom - Paul Dickov Fourth bottom - Lee Clark Fifth bottom - Paul ince/Barry Ferguson Etc etc I'm genuinely not sure what point you were trying to make with your list. Are you saying experienced British managers are better than Johnny Foreigner?[/p][/quote]Oh for goodness sake - see what i mean readers? Yea and John Still won the Conference. No - I'm saying that British managers are best at getting clubs out of the championship into the premiership - simple as that - and a fact. And no - you know I'm not a troll -Just another sign of your insecurities.[/p][/quote]And the best at getting them into League One. Your evidence proves nothing other than that the majority of Championship managers are British and that therefore they are more likely to fill some of the top spots. Apologies for calling you a troll if that is unfair. However swearing does you no favours, even if asterisked.[/p][/quote]Arnie, you don’t offer anything to this forum at all. All you seem to do is look for posts that state some form of criticism against the club/ management/ players and then have a go at that individual . It’s like your some sort of supervisor for the Argus on behalf of the Albion. It’s really pathetic and cringing – and you just look like a total sorry sap. It’s pathetic. Please give it a rest lad. Tommy11
  • Score: -1

3:14pm Tue 3 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Tommy, a counter view for negative or positive statements is what a forum is all about, you have your views and Ex-Pat has his, if both sides were not made known how could there be any debate?
Tommy, a counter view for negative or positive statements is what a forum is all about, you have your views and Ex-Pat has his, if both sides were not made known how could there be any debate? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

3:17pm Tue 3 Jun 14

rolivan says...

As a matter of interest when was OG appointed last year was it less than 3 weeks after the Playoffs?
As a matter of interest when was OG appointed last year was it less than 3 weeks after the Playoffs? rolivan
  • Score: -1

3:26pm Tue 3 Jun 14

LAWgull says...

HYPP HYPP HOORAY!!!
HYPP HYPP HOORAY!!! LAWgull
  • Score: 2

3:27pm Tue 3 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

rolivan wrote:
As a matter of interest when was OG appointed last year was it less than 3 weeks after the Playoffs?
June 26th
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: As a matter of interest when was OG appointed last year was it less than 3 weeks after the Playoffs?[/p][/quote]June 26th VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

3:29pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
SonnyJim55 wrote:
So a long list of impressive candidates. Who are/were they? This is becoming another close season shambles. And I think the powers that be are starting to take the fans for mugs now.
I have nothing against Hyppia if he is the one but it is pretty obvious that he would not have been the no 1 choice. If so that means the people who were supposedly interviewed last week all were pretty shoddy in the interviewing technique department (doubtful) or that they wanted either a salary that wouldnt be forthcoming, or an actual say over transfers (likely).
So if it is Hyppia I will wish him good luck and dont forget to do as you are told, any dissent or hint of dissatisfaction and you will out on your ear.
See you all again this time next year for the next gripping instalment that is the annual Albion manager hunt!
it is also obvious that the calbre of other clubs looking for a new manager would mean that Brighton is not the first choice of some of the available applicants. 'Out on your ear,' Poyet was fired for gross misconduct and Gracia chose to leave, so who is it you are refering to when you say one of our managers has found himself, out on his ear?
Hi Vegas , im with SonnyJim55 on this ,the situation we find ourselves in at the moment proves to me, that it is very likely GP was backed into a corner that ended with his sacking because he fought the system ( B&B ) and equally Oscar`s departure due to broken promises and lack of financial support for players . These were two very competent Managers ,but unwilling Coaches ,and we cant have people that think for themselves can we ! ,Oscar is the only prove of this i need ,an highly inteligent and moralistic man ,who felt the need to back out of an agreement ,which presumably was excepted by B&B because there was never any intention to keep their word ,otherwise we would have sacked Oscar for the same reasons as GP ,im just very sad that TB hasn`t put his personal word to either man and sorted B&B out ,the alternative would mean he also has gone back on his word ,and that is something i do not want to believe for one second . UTA
Your point is somewhat diluted by describing OG very definitely as a manager and not as a coach. He has never been a 'manager' and has only ever coached, and basically said that's what he wanted when he joined. Indeed, that is precisely the role he has gone back to at MTA.
I think your taking pedantics to the extreme here ,OG had always worked on the continent ,hence his title Coach ,we still technically had a Manager GP at the time ,BHAFC had never had a Coach in the Managers role before ,but this title was OG`s preference so that was that ,BUT Manager or Coach ,he was still supposed to be in charge of the squad including new signings ,this proved not to be the case ,and that is why so many on here think he left ,what he did elsewhere is of absolutely no concern or consequence to The Albion and therefore totally immaterial .
It's hardly pedantry, Tug, when it's one of the central points of your post. OG has never been involved in the process of getting players into a club. If he had that would have made him a manager (by today's definition). He would have been head coach even if GP had resigned and the manager's job was still technically available.

OG was in charge of the coaching of the players, and Burke was in charge of recruitment. OG said when he joined he had no experience of recruitment so was glad the club had others who could do that on his behalf. To claim he was an "unwilling coach" is not accurate; he was recruited into that role because that's what the club wanted and that's on what OG had built his reputation.
Yes agreed ,regardless of his title my belief is that he was not given the players he needed and should have had a bigger say in new recruits ,and heaven knows we had one heck of a list of injuries at the start of the season ,i also think he had a far better all round knowledge of some of the available players than he was credited for ,and could have done better than NJ did with some of his choices .
My main points still stand ,if not as accurately as you have put them ,OG was imo hired to take over from GP and take our club as far as he could ,i know initially he would need help with new acquisitions but ,if your asking me to believe he was never going to be given a player budget or sign any players of his own ,then that is ridiculous ,and i think the suits renegued on this in some way omo .
Fair points, but I believe Tony Bloom answered that question though, didn't he? The club were unable to sign some of the players for various reasons, and OG was himself unclear on what other recruitment ideas he had.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: So a long list of impressive candidates. Who are/were they? This is becoming another close season shambles. And I think the powers that be are starting to take the fans for mugs now. I have nothing against Hyppia if he is the one but it is pretty obvious that he would not have been the no 1 choice. If so that means the people who were supposedly interviewed last week all were pretty shoddy in the interviewing technique department (doubtful) or that they wanted either a salary that wouldnt be forthcoming, or an actual say over transfers (likely). So if it is Hyppia I will wish him good luck and dont forget to do as you are told, any dissent or hint of dissatisfaction and you will out on your ear. See you all again this time next year for the next gripping instalment that is the annual Albion manager hunt![/p][/quote]it is also obvious that the calbre of other clubs looking for a new manager would mean that Brighton is not the first choice of some of the available applicants. 'Out on your ear,' Poyet was fired for gross misconduct and Gracia chose to leave, so who is it you are refering to when you say one of our managers has found himself, out on his ear?[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas , im with SonnyJim55 on this ,the situation we find ourselves in at the moment proves to me, that it is very likely GP was backed into a corner that ended with his sacking because he fought the system ( B&B ) and equally Oscar`s departure due to broken promises and lack of financial support for players . These were two very competent Managers ,but unwilling Coaches ,and we cant have people that think for themselves can we ! ,Oscar is the only prove of this i need ,an highly inteligent and moralistic man ,who felt the need to back out of an agreement ,which presumably was excepted by B&B because there was never any intention to keep their word ,otherwise we would have sacked Oscar for the same reasons as GP ,im just very sad that TB hasn`t put his personal word to either man and sorted B&B out ,the alternative would mean he also has gone back on his word ,and that is something i do not want to believe for one second . UTA[/p][/quote]Your point is somewhat diluted by describing OG very definitely as a manager and not as a coach. He has never been a 'manager' and has only ever coached, and basically said that's what he wanted when he joined. Indeed, that is precisely the role he has gone back to at MTA.[/p][/quote]I think your taking pedantics to the extreme here ,OG had always worked on the continent ,hence his title Coach ,we still technically had a Manager GP at the time ,BHAFC had never had a Coach in the Managers role before ,but this title was OG`s preference so that was that ,BUT Manager or Coach ,he was still supposed to be in charge of the squad including new signings ,this proved not to be the case ,and that is why so many on here think he left ,what he did elsewhere is of absolutely no concern or consequence to The Albion and therefore totally immaterial .[/p][/quote]It's hardly pedantry, Tug, when it's one of the central points of your post. OG has never been involved in the process of getting players into a club. If he had that would have made him a manager (by today's definition). He would have been head coach even if GP had resigned and the manager's job was still technically available. OG was in charge of the coaching of the players, and Burke was in charge of recruitment. OG said when he joined he had no experience of recruitment so was glad the club had others who could do that on his behalf. To claim he was an "unwilling coach" is not accurate; he was recruited into that role because that's what the club wanted and that's on what OG had built his reputation.[/p][/quote]Yes agreed ,regardless of his title my belief is that he was not given the players he needed and should have had a bigger say in new recruits ,and heaven knows we had one heck of a list of injuries at the start of the season ,i also think he had a far better all round knowledge of some of the available players than he was credited for ,and could have done better than NJ did with some of his choices . My main points still stand ,if not as accurately as you have put them ,OG was imo hired to take over from GP and take our club as far as he could ,i know initially he would need help with new acquisitions but ,if your asking me to believe he was never going to be given a player budget or sign any players of his own ,then that is ridiculous ,and i think the suits renegued on this in some way omo .[/p][/quote]Fair points, but I believe Tony Bloom answered that question though, didn't he? The club were unable to sign some of the players for various reasons, and OG was himself unclear on what other recruitment ideas he had. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

3:32pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Neville says...

This interview process is starting to smack of desperation. No update or holding statement. from the club and as usual fans desperate for any snippets
Of news,even the Argus and Andy Naylor totally silent,unless he is on leave.
I would be happy for Liam Brady to oversee the academy and someone like Mick McCarthy manage us.
The more names that crop up it seems are first choices are disappearing,the main problem I have currently is that lessons have not been learnt from the past and all along there has been no forward planning when we know managers or players are leaving,this I am afraid is poor management.
This interview process is starting to smack of desperation. No update or holding statement. from the club and as usual fans desperate for any snippets Of news,even the Argus and Andy Naylor totally silent,unless he is on leave. I would be happy for Liam Brady to oversee the academy and someone like Mick McCarthy manage us. The more names that crop up it seems are first choices are disappearing,the main problem I have currently is that lessons have not been learnt from the past and all along there has been no forward planning when we know managers or players are leaving,this I am afraid is poor management. Neville
  • Score: -11

3:34pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Tommy11 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Tommy11 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Tommy11 wrote: 2013-14 Championship season. Winner - Nighel Pearson Runner Up - Sean Dyche Play- Off Winnner - Harry Redknapp Play-Of Runner Up - Steve Mclaren. BHA - We are not learning if we appoint Hypia! For Goodness sake - please we need to get an experienced manager in who knows what they are doing! Hypia = Puppet = this ridiculous managment set up is still on going. Ex -Par Arnie - you haven't got a f***ing clue mate. Hypia was joint manager year before, only did training, team talks etc....Full Head coach this season (again - just undergoing training, team talks etc) and then got sacked before season was done. You never argue against what the club are doing etc etc.. just against us fans who start questioning them. Are you Barber in disguise? or just some Argus/BHA puppet? the points you make are just boring and predictable.
PS: 2013-14 Championship season. Bottom - Gary Johnson Second bottom - Danny Wilson Third bottom - Paul Dickov Fourth bottom - Lee Clark Fifth bottom - Paul ince/Barry Ferguson Etc etc I'm genuinely not sure what point you were trying to make with your list. Are you saying experienced British managers are better than Johnny Foreigner?
Oh for goodness sake - see what i mean readers? Yea and John Still won the Conference. No - I'm saying that British managers are best at getting clubs out of the championship into the premiership - simple as that - and a fact. And no - you know I'm not a troll -Just another sign of your insecurities.
And the best at getting them into League One. Your evidence proves nothing other than that the majority of Championship managers are British and that therefore they are more likely to fill some of the top spots. Apologies for calling you a troll if that is unfair. However swearing does you no favours, even if asterisked.
Arnie, you don’t offer anything to this forum at all.

All you seem to do is look for posts that state some form of criticism against the club/ management/ players and then have a go at that individual . It’s like your some sort of supervisor for the Argus on behalf of the Albion. It’s really pathetic and cringing – and you just look like a total sorry sap.

It’s pathetic.

Please give it a rest lad.
On the contrary, I tend to argue against points that appear to be factually inaccurate. That it tends to be against comments criticising the club is because most of the comments which state opinion as fact or are otherwise based on hearsay or false position are against the club in some way. Honestly, if I thought someone was making stuff up in defence of the club I would argue against that too.

If you don't think I contribute then feel free to ignore everything I say. I have had many good discussions on here - I have enjoyed them and I dare say some of the correspondents have too.

Feel free to make remarks, but don't whine if someone picks you up and them and offers a different opinion. Bat your own corner, don't swear at people.
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: 2013-14 Championship season. Winner - Nighel Pearson Runner Up - Sean Dyche Play- Off Winnner - Harry Redknapp Play-Of Runner Up - Steve Mclaren. BHA - We are not learning if we appoint Hypia! For Goodness sake - please we need to get an experienced manager in who knows what they are doing! Hypia = Puppet = this ridiculous managment set up is still on going. Ex -Par Arnie - you haven't got a f***ing clue mate. Hypia was joint manager year before, only did training, team talks etc....Full Head coach this season (again - just undergoing training, team talks etc) and then got sacked before season was done. You never argue against what the club are doing etc etc.. just against us fans who start questioning them. Are you Barber in disguise? or just some Argus/BHA puppet? the points you make are just boring and predictable.[/p][/quote]PS: 2013-14 Championship season. Bottom - Gary Johnson Second bottom - Danny Wilson Third bottom - Paul Dickov Fourth bottom - Lee Clark Fifth bottom - Paul ince/Barry Ferguson Etc etc I'm genuinely not sure what point you were trying to make with your list. Are you saying experienced British managers are better than Johnny Foreigner?[/p][/quote]Oh for goodness sake - see what i mean readers? Yea and John Still won the Conference. No - I'm saying that British managers are best at getting clubs out of the championship into the premiership - simple as that - and a fact. And no - you know I'm not a troll -Just another sign of your insecurities.[/p][/quote]And the best at getting them into League One. Your evidence proves nothing other than that the majority of Championship managers are British and that therefore they are more likely to fill some of the top spots. Apologies for calling you a troll if that is unfair. However swearing does you no favours, even if asterisked.[/p][/quote]Arnie, you don’t offer anything to this forum at all. All you seem to do is look for posts that state some form of criticism against the club/ management/ players and then have a go at that individual . It’s like your some sort of supervisor for the Argus on behalf of the Albion. It’s really pathetic and cringing – and you just look like a total sorry sap. It’s pathetic. Please give it a rest lad.[/p][/quote]On the contrary, I tend to argue against points that appear to be factually inaccurate. That it tends to be against comments criticising the club is because most of the comments which state opinion as fact or are otherwise based on hearsay or false position are against the club in some way. Honestly, if I thought someone was making stuff up in defence of the club I would argue against that too. If you don't think I contribute then feel free to ignore everything I say. I have had many good discussions on here - I have enjoyed them and I dare say some of the correspondents have too. Feel free to make remarks, but don't whine if someone picks you up and them and offers a different opinion. Bat your own corner, don't swear at people. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 12

3:36pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

rolivan wrote:
As a matter of interest when was OG appointed last year was it less than 3 weeks after the Playoffs?
I believe it was to the end of June, so were are at least three weeks off that mark just yet.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: As a matter of interest when was OG appointed last year was it less than 3 weeks after the Playoffs?[/p][/quote]I believe it was to the end of June, so were are at least three weeks off that mark just yet. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 5

3:38pm Tue 3 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
rolivan wrote:
As a matter of interest when was OG appointed last year was it less than 3 weeks after the Playoffs?
I believe it was to the end of June, so were are at least three weeks off that mark just yet.
it was June 26th Arnie
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: As a matter of interest when was OG appointed last year was it less than 3 weeks after the Playoffs?[/p][/quote]I believe it was to the end of June, so were are at least three weeks off that mark just yet.[/p][/quote]it was June 26th Arnie VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

3:39pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Tommy11 - just as an aside, YOU were the one who started the argument on here by having a go at me @ 2:39pm. You had a go at ME. Remember that next time you want to complain about someone picking arguments.

Final comment to Tommy11 - apologies to all for that pathetic spat.
Tommy11 - just as an aside, YOU were the one who started the argument on here by having a go at me @ 2:39pm. You had a go at ME. Remember that next time you want to complain about someone picking arguments. Final comment to Tommy11 - apologies to all for that pathetic spat. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 11

3:40pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
rolivan wrote:
As a matter of interest when was OG appointed last year was it less than 3 weeks after the Playoffs?
I believe it was to the end of June, so were are at least three weeks off that mark just yet.
it was June 26th Arnie
And it's unlikely to be that late again this time round. Plenty of time yet...
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: As a matter of interest when was OG appointed last year was it less than 3 weeks after the Playoffs?[/p][/quote]I believe it was to the end of June, so were are at least three weeks off that mark just yet.[/p][/quote]it was June 26th Arnie[/p][/quote]And it's unlikely to be that late again this time round. Plenty of time yet... Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 9

3:43pm Tue 3 Jun 14

bruce beckett says...

Looks like the one thing we agree on here is...we all disagree on who the next manager should be.

Should the club be thinking outside the box (Hyppia) or going with someone who has already managed in the Championship (Hughton, McDermott, Warnock etc.)?

My view, for what it's worth, is it doesn't really matter who we appoint if we sell Ulloa and don't find quality replacements for TK, Upson and Ward.

The strength of our team last season was our defence and now it has been decimated. Burke has a far bigger job to do finding quality players than the new coach will have in preparing the team for the coming season.
Looks like the one thing we agree on here is...we all disagree on who the next manager should be. Should the club be thinking outside the box (Hyppia) or going with someone who has already managed in the Championship (Hughton, McDermott, Warnock etc.)? My view, for what it's worth, is it doesn't really matter who we appoint if we sell Ulloa and don't find quality replacements for TK, Upson and Ward. The strength of our team last season was our defence and now it has been decimated. Burke has a far bigger job to do finding quality players than the new coach will have in preparing the team for the coming season. bruce beckett
  • Score: -19

3:44pm Tue 3 Jun 14

daughter-of-manag says...

Tommy would be an interesting, refreshing and very good choice; much prefer him to Clarke. Cone on you Seagulls!
Tommy would be an interesting, refreshing and very good choice; much prefer him to Clarke. Cone on you Seagulls! daughter-of-manag
  • Score: -4

3:55pm Tue 3 Jun 14

tug509 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
SonnyJim55 wrote:
So a long list of impressive candidates. Who are/were they? This is becoming another close season shambles. And I think the powers that be are starting to take the fans for mugs now.
I have nothing against Hyppia if he is the one but it is pretty obvious that he would not have been the no 1 choice. If so that means the people who were supposedly interviewed last week all were pretty shoddy in the interviewing technique department (doubtful) or that they wanted either a salary that wouldnt be forthcoming, or an actual say over transfers (likely).
So if it is Hyppia I will wish him good luck and dont forget to do as you are told, any dissent or hint of dissatisfaction and you will out on your ear.
See you all again this time next year for the next gripping instalment that is the annual Albion manager hunt!
it is also obvious that the calbre of other clubs looking for a new manager would mean that Brighton is not the first choice of some of the available applicants. 'Out on your ear,' Poyet was fired for gross misconduct and Gracia chose to leave, so who is it you are refering to when you say one of our managers has found himself, out on his ear?
Hi Vegas , im with SonnyJim55 on this ,the situation we find ourselves in at the moment proves to me, that it is very likely GP was backed into a corner that ended with his sacking because he fought the system ( B&B ) and equally Oscar`s departure due to broken promises and lack of financial support for players . These were two very competent Managers ,but unwilling Coaches ,and we cant have people that think for themselves can we ! ,Oscar is the only prove of this i need ,an highly inteligent and moralistic man ,who felt the need to back out of an agreement ,which presumably was excepted by B&B because there was never any intention to keep their word ,otherwise we would have sacked Oscar for the same reasons as GP ,im just very sad that TB hasn`t put his personal word to either man and sorted B&B out ,the alternative would mean he also has gone back on his word ,and that is something i do not want to believe for one second . UTA
Your point is somewhat diluted by describing OG very definitely as a manager and not as a coach. He has never been a 'manager' and has only ever coached, and basically said that's what he wanted when he joined. Indeed, that is precisely the role he has gone back to at MTA.
I think your taking pedantics to the extreme here ,OG had always worked on the continent ,hence his title Coach ,we still technically had a Manager GP at the time ,BHAFC had never had a Coach in the Managers role before ,but this title was OG`s preference so that was that ,BUT Manager or Coach ,he was still supposed to be in charge of the squad including new signings ,this proved not to be the case ,and that is why so many on here think he left ,what he did elsewhere is of absolutely no concern or consequence to The Albion and therefore totally immaterial .
It's hardly pedantry, Tug, when it's one of the central points of your post. OG has never been involved in the process of getting players into a club. If he had that would have made him a manager (by today's definition). He would have been head coach even if GP had resigned and the manager's job was still technically available.

OG was in charge of the coaching of the players, and Burke was in charge of recruitment. OG said when he joined he had no experience of recruitment so was glad the club had others who could do that on his behalf. To claim he was an "unwilling coach" is not accurate; he was recruited into that role because that's what the club wanted and that's on what OG had built his reputation.
Yes agreed ,regardless of his title my belief is that he was not given the players he needed and should have had a bigger say in new recruits ,and heaven knows we had one heck of a list of injuries at the start of the season ,i also think he had a far better all round knowledge of some of the available players than he was credited for ,and could have done better than NJ did with some of his choices .
My main points still stand ,if not as accurately as you have put them ,OG was imo hired to take over from GP and take our club as far as he could ,i know initially he would need help with new acquisitions but ,if your asking me to believe he was never going to be given a player budget or sign any players of his own ,then that is ridiculous ,and i think the suits renegued on this in some way omo .
Fair points, but I believe Tony Bloom answered that question though, didn't he? The club were unable to sign some of the players for various reasons, and OG was himself unclear on what other recruitment ideas he had.
I cant buy that at all , "Unable to sign Some of the players" ,what happened to the ones they were able to sign ? . "OG was himself unclear on what other recruitment ideas he had " , this is an educated man who has played at every level of football in the world ,and your saying he was incapable of lifting a phone ,reading a "Free agents " list ,or simply asking someone for advice ?. I think i`ll stick with the " Suits " scenario thanks ,it is far more plausible .
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: So a long list of impressive candidates. Who are/were they? This is becoming another close season shambles. And I think the powers that be are starting to take the fans for mugs now. I have nothing against Hyppia if he is the one but it is pretty obvious that he would not have been the no 1 choice. If so that means the people who were supposedly interviewed last week all were pretty shoddy in the interviewing technique department (doubtful) or that they wanted either a salary that wouldnt be forthcoming, or an actual say over transfers (likely). So if it is Hyppia I will wish him good luck and dont forget to do as you are told, any dissent or hint of dissatisfaction and you will out on your ear. See you all again this time next year for the next gripping instalment that is the annual Albion manager hunt![/p][/quote]it is also obvious that the calbre of other clubs looking for a new manager would mean that Brighton is not the first choice of some of the available applicants. 'Out on your ear,' Poyet was fired for gross misconduct and Gracia chose to leave, so who is it you are refering to when you say one of our managers has found himself, out on his ear?[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas , im with SonnyJim55 on this ,the situation we find ourselves in at the moment proves to me, that it is very likely GP was backed into a corner that ended with his sacking because he fought the system ( B&B ) and equally Oscar`s departure due to broken promises and lack of financial support for players . These were two very competent Managers ,but unwilling Coaches ,and we cant have people that think for themselves can we ! ,Oscar is the only prove of this i need ,an highly inteligent and moralistic man ,who felt the need to back out of an agreement ,which presumably was excepted by B&B because there was never any intention to keep their word ,otherwise we would have sacked Oscar for the same reasons as GP ,im just very sad that TB hasn`t put his personal word to either man and sorted B&B out ,the alternative would mean he also has gone back on his word ,and that is something i do not want to believe for one second . UTA[/p][/quote]Your point is somewhat diluted by describing OG very definitely as a manager and not as a coach. He has never been a 'manager' and has only ever coached, and basically said that's what he wanted when he joined. Indeed, that is precisely the role he has gone back to at MTA.[/p][/quote]I think your taking pedantics to the extreme here ,OG had always worked on the continent ,hence his title Coach ,we still technically had a Manager GP at the time ,BHAFC had never had a Coach in the Managers role before ,but this title was OG`s preference so that was that ,BUT Manager or Coach ,he was still supposed to be in charge of the squad including new signings ,this proved not to be the case ,and that is why so many on here think he left ,what he did elsewhere is of absolutely no concern or consequence to The Albion and therefore totally immaterial .[/p][/quote]It's hardly pedantry, Tug, when it's one of the central points of your post. OG has never been involved in the process of getting players into a club. If he had that would have made him a manager (by today's definition). He would have been head coach even if GP had resigned and the manager's job was still technically available. OG was in charge of the coaching of the players, and Burke was in charge of recruitment. OG said when he joined he had no experience of recruitment so was glad the club had others who could do that on his behalf. To claim he was an "unwilling coach" is not accurate; he was recruited into that role because that's what the club wanted and that's on what OG had built his reputation.[/p][/quote]Yes agreed ,regardless of his title my belief is that he was not given the players he needed and should have had a bigger say in new recruits ,and heaven knows we had one heck of a list of injuries at the start of the season ,i also think he had a far better all round knowledge of some of the available players than he was credited for ,and could have done better than NJ did with some of his choices . My main points still stand ,if not as accurately as you have put them ,OG was imo hired to take over from GP and take our club as far as he could ,i know initially he would need help with new acquisitions but ,if your asking me to believe he was never going to be given a player budget or sign any players of his own ,then that is ridiculous ,and i think the suits renegued on this in some way omo .[/p][/quote]Fair points, but I believe Tony Bloom answered that question though, didn't he? The club were unable to sign some of the players for various reasons, and OG was himself unclear on what other recruitment ideas he had.[/p][/quote]I cant buy that at all , "Unable to sign Some of the players" ,what happened to the ones they were able to sign ? . "OG was himself unclear on what other recruitment ideas he had " , this is an educated man who has played at every level of football in the world ,and your saying he was incapable of lifting a phone ,reading a "Free agents " list ,or simply asking someone for advice ?. I think i`ll stick with the " Suits " scenario thanks ,it is far more plausible . tug509
  • Score: 0

3:56pm Tue 3 Jun 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

If Hyypia is to be our manager then hopefully the board will back him with a decent transfer fund, if Ulloa is sold then please let's sign a quality replacement, this will cost money but is a must if we want to continue a push for promotion.
If Hyypia is to be our manager then hopefully the board will back him with a decent transfer fund, if Ulloa is sold then please let's sign a quality replacement, this will cost money but is a must if we want to continue a push for promotion. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 3

3:58pm Tue 3 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Although Hughton would be my first choice for Brighton, I don't think it's that hard to see why Hyypia might get the job, and I wouldn't have a problem if he did get it.

Brighton play from the back, Hyypia will continue with that. Controlling the ball, posession football if you prefer, is very much in the Hyppia mould, as is hitting on the break. Hyypia may have lost his job, but an article I read this morning tells of the fact that his team had the second best defensive record in their division, sounds a bit like us doesn't it.

What concerns me is that our last two managers have both had a defensive approach to how we play, Hyypia looks to be a third. Poyet got a tad more adventurous toward the end of the season and to some extent so did Garcia, could/would Hyypia get us going earlier in the season.
We need some pace in our squad to enable us to break quicker, not route one, we don't need balls lofted over the midfield, but we must get some genuine pace both at the back and midfield, and we would need to see Hyypia address this.

Some might think that Hyypia is a gamble, I see him more of a safe target. Some of the bigger names, if given a reasonably free rein in who we sign, would probably want to spend more than we have, my guess is that Hyypia would not be so demanding but would still want a decent budget which I think the club will give him.
Although Hughton would be my first choice for Brighton, I don't think it's that hard to see why Hyypia might get the job, and I wouldn't have a problem if he did get it. Brighton play from the back, Hyypia will continue with that. Controlling the ball, posession football if you prefer, is very much in the Hyppia mould, as is hitting on the break. Hyypia may have lost his job, but an article I read this morning tells of the fact that his team had the second best defensive record in their division, sounds a bit like us doesn't it. What concerns me is that our last two managers have both had a defensive approach to how we play, Hyypia looks to be a third. Poyet got a tad more adventurous toward the end of the season and to some extent so did Garcia, could/would Hyypia get us going earlier in the season. We need some pace in our squad to enable us to break quicker, not route one, we don't need balls lofted over the midfield, but we must get some genuine pace both at the back and midfield, and we would need to see Hyypia address this. Some might think that Hyypia is a gamble, I see him more of a safe target. Some of the bigger names, if given a reasonably free rein in who we sign, would probably want to spend more than we have, my guess is that Hyypia would not be so demanding but would still want a decent budget which I think the club will give him. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 15

4:01pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Well, we can only go on what we know as fans, not what we think might be happening behind the scenes. And as people have said on here, it's all about opinions, so here's mine.
Sami Hyypia spent ten years at Liverpool, playing in the division we aspire to. He also played over 100 games for his country. As a manager, he's had 18 months at a well renowned club in the Bundesliga. All of which doesn't make him a naturally gifted manager, but I fail to see how, for example, Tim Sherwood's credentials match up to Hyypia's when it comes to preference.
Well, we can only go on what we know as fans, not what we think might be happening behind the scenes. And as people have said on here, it's all about opinions, so here's mine. Sami Hyypia spent ten years at Liverpool, playing in the division we aspire to. He also played over 100 games for his country. As a manager, he's had 18 months at a well renowned club in the Bundesliga. All of which doesn't make him a naturally gifted manager, but I fail to see how, for example, Tim Sherwood's credentials match up to Hyypia's when it comes to preference. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 13

4:04pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Jonathan Mouette says...

Hi, quick note for all the doubters and cynics... Browse rough the postings on
http://www.squawka.c
om/news/twitter-reac
ts-hyypia/118759?
to see how Liverpool fans think - especially those talking of the Reds loaning out their young centre back pairing... Coulld be very interesting if it all comes off... UTA
Hi, quick note for all the doubters and cynics... Browse rough the postings on http://www.squawka.c om/news/twitter-reac ts-hyypia/118759? to see how Liverpool fans think - especially those talking of the Reds loaning out their young centre back pairing... Coulld be very interesting if it all comes off... UTA Jonathan Mouette
  • Score: 8

4:12pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Claude Back says...

daughter-of-manag wrote:
Tommy would be an interesting, refreshing and very good choice; much prefer him to Clarke. Cone on you Seagulls!
Conan The Barbarian? Never heard of Cone on You Seagulls. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]daughter-of-manag[/bold] wrote: Tommy would be an interesting, refreshing and very good choice; much prefer him to Clarke. Cone on you Seagulls![/p][/quote]Conan The Barbarian? Never heard of Cone on You Seagulls. ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: -3

4:12pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Claude Back says...

daughter-of-manag wrote:
Tommy would be an interesting, refreshing and very good choice; much prefer him to Clarke. Cone on you Seagulls!
Conan The Barbarian? Never heard of Cone on You Seagulls. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]daughter-of-manag[/bold] wrote: Tommy would be an interesting, refreshing and very good choice; much prefer him to Clarke. Cone on you Seagulls![/p][/quote]Conan The Barbarian? Never heard of Cone on You Seagulls. ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: -1

4:12pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Claude Back says...

daughter-of-manag wrote:
Tommy would be an interesting, refreshing and very good choice; much prefer him to Clarke. Cone on you Seagulls!
Conan The Barbarian? Never heard of Cone on You Seagulls. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]daughter-of-manag[/bold] wrote: Tommy would be an interesting, refreshing and very good choice; much prefer him to Clarke. Cone on you Seagulls![/p][/quote]Conan The Barbarian? Never heard of Cone on You Seagulls. ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: -2

4:16pm Tue 3 Jun 14

DGee says...

It's all going to end in tears, believe me.! jonjo
It's all going to end in tears, believe me.! jonjo DGee
  • Score: -5

4:18pm Tue 3 Jun 14

jimbo1234 says...

Guess what. I really don't give a dam anymore. I have supported Albion for 65 years and the only certainty about the new manager/coach appointment is this. His salary will probably be non negotiable, his role will be to train the team with an imput only with regard to team selection. His masters will be the Director of Football, the Chief Executive Officer ad Tony Bloom. He will find it hard to carry out his job description. It was clear to me that Oscar Garcia was no Gus Poyet, indeed he was very much under qualified to be Albion's Manager/Coach. It was the determination of the players that resulted in the team reaching the play offs, not Garcia. He had no commitment to Albion. He is now back in Israel with his former club according to the Argus. I think this is where his ability and commitment is best suited Sorry to mention the word money but football is primarily a business..
Guess what. I really don't give a dam anymore. I have supported Albion for 65 years and the only certainty about the new manager/coach appointment is this. His salary will probably be non negotiable, his role will be to train the team with an imput only with regard to team selection. His masters will be the Director of Football, the Chief Executive Officer ad Tony Bloom. He will find it hard to carry out his job description. It was clear to me that Oscar Garcia was no Gus Poyet, indeed he was very much under qualified to be Albion's Manager/Coach. It was the determination of the players that resulted in the team reaching the play offs, not Garcia. He had no commitment to Albion. He is now back in Israel with his former club according to the Argus. I think this is where his ability and commitment is best suited Sorry to mention the word money but football is primarily a business.. jimbo1234
  • Score: 3

4:21pm Tue 3 Jun 14

tug509 says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Well, we can only go on what we know as fans, not what we think might be happening behind the scenes. And as people have said on here, it's all about opinions, so here's mine.
Sami Hyypia spent ten years at Liverpool, playing in the division we aspire to. He also played over 100 games for his country. As a manager, he's had 18 months at a well renowned club in the Bundesliga. All of which doesn't make him a naturally gifted manager, but I fail to see how, for example, Tim Sherwood's credentials match up to Hyypia's when it comes to preference.
Good points ,wouldn`t have been my first choice ,but will stand by him as most will if he gets the nod . UTA
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Well, we can only go on what we know as fans, not what we think might be happening behind the scenes. And as people have said on here, it's all about opinions, so here's mine. Sami Hyypia spent ten years at Liverpool, playing in the division we aspire to. He also played over 100 games for his country. As a manager, he's had 18 months at a well renowned club in the Bundesliga. All of which doesn't make him a naturally gifted manager, but I fail to see how, for example, Tim Sherwood's credentials match up to Hyypia's when it comes to preference.[/p][/quote]Good points ,wouldn`t have been my first choice ,but will stand by him as most will if he gets the nod . UTA tug509
  • Score: 5

4:22pm Tue 3 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

Hyypia had a 53% win rate at Leverkusen!!! just find it a bit frustrating with all the alleged candidates interested we had weeks ago, did we ever give interviews to the likes off Sherwood Clarke or Hughton, or was it just boookies and paper talk about them being interested,
Hyypia had a 53% win rate at Leverkusen!!! just find it a bit frustrating with all the alleged candidates interested we had weeks ago, did we ever give interviews to the likes off Sherwood Clarke or Hughton, or was it just boookies and paper talk about them being interested, JeffLomer
  • Score: 1

4:29pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Falmer Wizard says...

Confident that we will make an appointment any day now, its just we have to find someone desperate enough to accept the small budget for players,Simple!
Confident that we will make an appointment any day now, its just we have to find someone desperate enough to accept the small budget for players,Simple! Falmer Wizard
  • Score: -3

4:35pm Tue 3 Jun 14

fairweathersupporter says...

Not the worse choice we could make. Could even be inspired. Not much experience but two seasons at a higher level with top pro's. As for his experience of the game, could that be questioned? Never struck me as a yes man. And he is Finnish, which has been a problem for us over the last few seasons...
Not the worse choice we could make. Could even be inspired. Not much experience but two seasons at a higher level with top pro's. As for his experience of the game, could that be questioned? Never struck me as a yes man. And he is Finnish, which has been a problem for us over the last few seasons... fairweathersupporter
  • Score: 10

4:40pm Tue 3 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Hyypia had a 53% win rate at Leverkusen!!! just find it a bit frustrating with all the alleged candidates interested we had weeks ago, did we ever give interviews to the likes off Sherwood Clarke or Hughton, or was it just boookies and paper talk about them being interested,
Jeff there is, 'interested,' and then there is, 'INTERESTED.' If as the weeks go by, and you are a manager who recently become unemployed but wants to get back to work quickly, your interest in available jobs increases as each window of opportunity closes.
I am sure that some of the touted possible names were interested, interested in so far as being prepared to talk, but maybe not interested enough to say yes and close all other avenues. My guess is that Hyypia is, INTERESTED, possibly because he does not head the list of other possible optional clubs, he probably see us as his best chance to get back to work.
If we did talk to those you have named, I doubt we will ever be told that.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Hyypia had a 53% win rate at Leverkusen!!! just find it a bit frustrating with all the alleged candidates interested we had weeks ago, did we ever give interviews to the likes off Sherwood Clarke or Hughton, or was it just boookies and paper talk about them being interested,[/p][/quote]Jeff there is, 'interested,' and then there is, 'INTERESTED.' If as the weeks go by, and you are a manager who recently become unemployed but wants to get back to work quickly, your interest in available jobs increases as each window of opportunity closes. I am sure that some of the touted possible names were interested, interested in so far as being prepared to talk, but maybe not interested enough to say yes and close all other avenues. My guess is that Hyypia is, INTERESTED, possibly because he does not head the list of other possible optional clubs, he probably see us as his best chance to get back to work. If we did talk to those you have named, I doubt we will ever be told that. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

4:42pm Tue 3 Jun 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

jimbo1234 wrote:
Guess what. I really don't give a dam anymore. I have supported Albion for 65 years and the only certainty about the new manager/coach appointment is this. His salary will probably be non negotiable, his role will be to train the team with an imput only with regard to team selection. His masters will be the Director of Football, the Chief Executive Officer ad Tony Bloom. He will find it hard to carry out his job description. It was clear to me that Oscar Garcia was no Gus Poyet, indeed he was very much under qualified to be Albion's Manager/Coach. It was the determination of the players that resulted in the team reaching the play offs, not Garcia. He had no commitment to Albion. He is now back in Israel with his former club according to the Argus. I think this is where his ability and commitment is best suited Sorry to mention the word money but football is primarily a business..
Very good post,there are things going on behind closed curtains private nothing fans need to be worried about,so we are told everyhting will pan out.

Lightning does not strike three times on the same spot,Albion are looking set for midtable or even fighting relegation.

Could get Gus back for a miracle,this is getting beyond a joke.
[quote][p][bold]jimbo1234[/bold] wrote: Guess what. I really don't give a dam anymore. I have supported Albion for 65 years and the only certainty about the new manager/coach appointment is this. His salary will probably be non negotiable, his role will be to train the team with an imput only with regard to team selection. His masters will be the Director of Football, the Chief Executive Officer ad Tony Bloom. He will find it hard to carry out his job description. It was clear to me that Oscar Garcia was no Gus Poyet, indeed he was very much under qualified to be Albion's Manager/Coach. It was the determination of the players that resulted in the team reaching the play offs, not Garcia. He had no commitment to Albion. He is now back in Israel with his former club according to the Argus. I think this is where his ability and commitment is best suited Sorry to mention the word money but football is primarily a business..[/p][/quote]Very good post,there are things going on behind closed curtains private nothing fans need to be worried about,so we are told everyhting will pan out. Lightning does not strike three times on the same spot,Albion are looking set for midtable or even fighting relegation. Could get Gus back for a miracle,this is getting beyond a joke. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 0

4:45pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Hi, quick note for all the doubters and cynics... Browse rough the postings on
http://www.squawka.c

om/news/twitter-reac

ts-hyypia/118759?
to see how Liverpool fans think - especially those talking of the Reds loaning out their young centre back pairing... Coulld be very interesting if it all comes off... UTA
Ha ha , we had that spin with Gus bringing in players from Chelsea and spurs, we had spin with OG bringing in players from barca , what we got was obika and a Spanish waiter ..
Sorry but big Sami may have done ok in Germany , however how many players did he sign? Did he rebuild a squad in 30 days, ?
Bring us championship experience and a budget to go for promotion.
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Hi, quick note for all the doubters and cynics... Browse rough the postings on http://www.squawka.c om/news/twitter-reac ts-hyypia/118759? to see how Liverpool fans think - especially those talking of the Reds loaning out their young centre back pairing... Coulld be very interesting if it all comes off... UTA[/p][/quote]Ha ha , we had that spin with Gus bringing in players from Chelsea and spurs, we had spin with OG bringing in players from barca , what we got was obika and a Spanish waiter .. Sorry but big Sami may have done ok in Germany , however how many players did he sign? Did he rebuild a squad in 30 days, ? Bring us championship experience and a budget to go for promotion. mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

4:55pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

heathgate wrote:
Hyppia is the best I have seen touted so far in my view ( other than Clement).....

Played at the highest level club and country.
Knows English club football.
Wont be put off by the weather.
Managed with good results in a top league.

Sign him up.
So have a dozen failed managers, Zola - coppel great players don't always make great managers.
[quote][p][bold]heathgate[/bold] wrote: Hyppia is the best I have seen touted so far in my view ( other than Clement)..... Played at the highest level club and country. Knows English club football. Wont be put off by the weather. Managed with good results in a top league. Sign him up.[/p][/quote]So have a dozen failed managers, Zola - coppel great players don't always make great managers. mark by the sea
  • Score: -8

4:58pm Tue 3 Jun 14

fan since 61 says...

Oh dear Falmer Wizard your comment lets Hughton back in the picture that would mean boring defensive football No thought of scoring just stop the opponents getting a goal, ask Norwich fans
Oh dear Falmer Wizard your comment lets Hughton back in the picture that would mean boring defensive football No thought of scoring just stop the opponents getting a goal, ask Norwich fans fan since 61
  • Score: 7

5:07pm Tue 3 Jun 14

daughter-of-manag says...

Claude Back wrote:
daughter-of-manag wrote:
Tommy would be an interesting, refreshing and very good choice; much prefer him to Clarke. Cone on you Seagulls!
Conan The Barbarian? Never heard of Cone on You Seagulls. ;-)
Ha ha - good one. The more I think about Tommy being our new boss - the more I like the idea. Liverpool legend - Scandanavian and German connections - young, ambitious. Hey - he's even Viking!
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]daughter-of-manag[/bold] wrote: Tommy would be an interesting, refreshing and very good choice; much prefer him to Clarke. Cone on you Seagulls![/p][/quote]Conan The Barbarian? Never heard of Cone on You Seagulls. ;-)[/p][/quote]Ha ha - good one. The more I think about Tommy being our new boss - the more I like the idea. Liverpool legend - Scandanavian and German connections - young, ambitious. Hey - he's even Viking! daughter-of-manag
  • Score: 5

5:08pm Tue 3 Jun 14

heathgate says...

mark by the sea wrote:
heathgate wrote:
Hyppia is the best I have seen touted so far in my view ( other than Clement).....

Played at the highest level club and country.
Knows English club football.
Wont be put off by the weather.
Managed with good results in a top league.

Sign him up.
So have a dozen failed managers, Zola - coppel great players don't always make great managers.
I assume you went blind after reading the 1st item in my list?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heathgate[/bold] wrote: Hyppia is the best I have seen touted so far in my view ( other than Clement)..... Played at the highest level club and country. Knows English club football. Wont be put off by the weather. Managed with good results in a top league. Sign him up.[/p][/quote]So have a dozen failed managers, Zola - coppel great players don't always make great managers.[/p][/quote]I assume you went blind after reading the 1st item in my list? heathgate
  • Score: 6

5:13pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Oscar's Chin says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Whoever we get it's time someone stated the truth! Of course Tony Bloom has done an incredible job by paying for everything for a few years. However, it cannot be denied that the club has now an appalling record for managerial changes. For whatever reason - I'm not suggesting who is responsible but let's face some facts.

This next manager will be our SIXTH MANAGER IN SIX YEARS! That is nothing short of disgraceful and no recipe for building a successful club. That's all that I'm highlighting and suggest we need some kind of policy to get some stability in the place. Surely the powers that be recognize that stability is the bedrock of long term and sustained success.

And it's no good saying Oscar left us in the lurch - let's start asking why these changes. Fat Boy Slim's sly dig at Oscar on that Sky TV show was low class and if that's the attitude of the Board in general we have got problems.

It's like refusing to sell Dick Knight's book in the club shop - it all smacks of petty egos run wild and that seems to be affecting the club as a whole.
6 in 6 years but the next will be the 3rd in 5 years (Bloom has improved the ratio / longevity and the two departures were the managers' choices not the board's. Yes we may have not done enough or the right things but that's a separate issue that is debatable and unknown to fans.

Fat Boy Slim is a pop star rather than a seasoned football director.

Dick Knight's book is allegedly libellous. If true, the club are avoiding petty ego tripping by not sueing.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: Whoever we get it's time someone stated the truth! Of course Tony Bloom has done an incredible job by paying for everything for a few years. However, it cannot be denied that the club has now an appalling record for managerial changes. For whatever reason - I'm not suggesting who is responsible but let's face some facts. This next manager will be our SIXTH MANAGER IN SIX YEARS! That is nothing short of disgraceful and no recipe for building a successful club. That's all that I'm highlighting and suggest we need some kind of policy to get some stability in the place. Surely the powers that be recognize that stability is the bedrock of long term and sustained success. And it's no good saying Oscar left us in the lurch - let's start asking why these changes. Fat Boy Slim's sly dig at Oscar on that Sky TV show was low class and if that's the attitude of the Board in general we have got problems. It's like refusing to sell Dick Knight's book in the club shop - it all smacks of petty egos run wild and that seems to be affecting the club as a whole.[/p][/quote]6 in 6 years but the next will be the 3rd in 5 years (Bloom has improved the ratio / longevity and the two departures were the managers' choices not the board's. Yes we may have not done enough or the right things but that's a separate issue that is debatable and unknown to fans. Fat Boy Slim is a pop star rather than a seasoned football director. Dick Knight's book is allegedly libellous. If true, the club are avoiding petty ego tripping by not sueing. Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 4

5:18pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Mr Farkenbus says...

'Hyppia replacement'...LOL
'Hyppia replacement'...LOL Mr Farkenbus
  • Score: 7

5:19pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
SeagullJay wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
So the Steve Clarke article was pointless then. Hyypia another relative unknown and difficult to judge how he'd do at Albion, a bit of an underwhelming name tbh. We could do worse, however I also think we could do a lot better, and ensure a manager with championship promotion credentials, Mackay or Hughton would be the better choices really.
In fairness - att the time article was written - Steve Clarke was favourite with 'the bookies'
That has now changed
Just as Sherwood has been favorite and Hughton - betting odds change
Is not the fault of Argus

just my opinion
This is becoming the biggest wild goose chase in the history of, well, wild geese, yes it's not the argus fault but it's getting ridiculous.
Of course it's ridiculous, Barbour is Mr Spin, Mr Bulls***,and I'm afraid TB is falling for it, it's sad that the reason we are in this position is, Barber and Burke are being bullies, and making it difficult for a decent manager/ Coach to want to stay at the club, ask yourself what have they achieved in football terms, try looking them up on google it's not impressive, pay the money and get a good manager in and get rid of these expensive underachieving Monkeys. Google Barber on the old Seattle forums it's the same story, the richest team in the league not performing on the pitch.
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeagullJay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: So the Steve Clarke article was pointless then. Hyypia another relative unknown and difficult to judge how he'd do at Albion, a bit of an underwhelming name tbh. We could do worse, however I also think we could do a lot better, and ensure a manager with championship promotion credentials, Mackay or Hughton would be the better choices really.[/p][/quote]In fairness - att the time article was written - Steve Clarke was favourite with 'the bookies' That has now changed Just as Sherwood has been favorite and Hughton - betting odds change Is not the fault of Argus just my opinion[/p][/quote]This is becoming the biggest wild goose chase in the history of, well, wild geese, yes it's not the argus fault but it's getting ridiculous.[/p][/quote]Of course it's ridiculous, Barbour is Mr Spin, Mr Bulls***,and I'm afraid TB is falling for it, it's sad that the reason we are in this position is, Barber and Burke are being bullies, and making it difficult for a decent manager/ Coach to want to stay at the club, ask yourself what have they achieved in football terms, try looking them up on google it's not impressive, pay the money and get a good manager in and get rid of these expensive underachieving Monkeys. Google Barber on the old Seattle forums it's the same story, the richest team in the league not performing on the pitch. Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: -1

5:32pm Tue 3 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

If it is Hyypia lets hope he is allowed to bring his own backroom staff with him, and not be told you have to have you no who sitting beside you in the dugout, that would not be good start for any new manager !!!!
If it is Hyypia lets hope he is allowed to bring his own backroom staff with him, and not be told you have to have you no who sitting beside you in the dugout, that would not be good start for any new manager !!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 6

5:43pm Tue 3 Jun 14

fairweathersupporter says...

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
SeagullJay wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
So the Steve Clarke article was pointless then. Hyypia another relative unknown and difficult to judge how he'd do at Albion, a bit of an underwhelming name tbh. We could do worse, however I also think we could do a lot better, and ensure a manager with championship promotion credentials, Mackay or Hughton would be the better choices really.
In fairness - att the time article was written - Steve Clarke was favourite with 'the bookies'
That has now changed
Just as Sherwood has been favorite and Hughton - betting odds change
Is not the fault of Argus

just my opinion
This is becoming the biggest wild goose chase in the history of, well, wild geese, yes it's not the argus fault but it's getting ridiculous.
Of course it's ridiculous, Barbour is Mr Spin, Mr Bulls***,and I'm afraid TB is falling for it, it's sad that the reason we are in this position is, Barber and Burke are being bullies, and making it difficult for a decent manager/ Coach to want to stay at the club, ask yourself what have they achieved in football terms, try looking them up on google it's not impressive, pay the money and get a good manager in and get rid of these expensive underachieving Monkeys. Google Barber on the old Seattle forums it's the same story, the richest team in the league not performing on the pitch.
Using your analogy; the head bully is Bloom. If you think he's falling for anything, then i believe you are misguided. They are his men. His eyes, his ears. I would not personally replace Bloom. Would you?
Let's give the conspiracies a rest for a while and see what the next few weeks/months bring.
[quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeagullJay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: So the Steve Clarke article was pointless then. Hyypia another relative unknown and difficult to judge how he'd do at Albion, a bit of an underwhelming name tbh. We could do worse, however I also think we could do a lot better, and ensure a manager with championship promotion credentials, Mackay or Hughton would be the better choices really.[/p][/quote]In fairness - att the time article was written - Steve Clarke was favourite with 'the bookies' That has now changed Just as Sherwood has been favorite and Hughton - betting odds change Is not the fault of Argus just my opinion[/p][/quote]This is becoming the biggest wild goose chase in the history of, well, wild geese, yes it's not the argus fault but it's getting ridiculous.[/p][/quote]Of course it's ridiculous, Barbour is Mr Spin, Mr Bulls***,and I'm afraid TB is falling for it, it's sad that the reason we are in this position is, Barber and Burke are being bullies, and making it difficult for a decent manager/ Coach to want to stay at the club, ask yourself what have they achieved in football terms, try looking them up on google it's not impressive, pay the money and get a good manager in and get rid of these expensive underachieving Monkeys. Google Barber on the old Seattle forums it's the same story, the richest team in the league not performing on the pitch.[/p][/quote]Using your analogy; the head bully is Bloom. If you think he's falling for anything, then i believe you are misguided. They are his men. His eyes, his ears. I would not personally replace Bloom. Would you? Let's give the conspiracies a rest for a while and see what the next few weeks/months bring. fairweathersupporter
  • Score: 7

5:44pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

JeffLomer wrote:
If it is Hyypia lets hope he is allowed to bring his own backroom staff with him, and not be told you have to have you no who sitting beside you in the dugout, that would not be good start for any new manager !!!!
Sami will be really lucky to have jones with him, lol
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: If it is Hyypia lets hope he is allowed to bring his own backroom staff with him, and not be told you have to have you no who sitting beside you in the dugout, that would not be good start for any new manager !!!![/p][/quote]Sami will be really lucky to have jones with him, lol mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

5:47pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Mancgulled says...

I mentioned his name myself a few weeks ago but until then I thought that he had been responsible for Leverkusens entry to the champions league - but someone on this forum is spot on - he has provided only feedback and commentary after matches - he hasn't managed at all! Who says he is favourite? Doubt Albion even have him on their shortlist - you got to give them some credit! Good one for me would be Carlos Queiroz - contracted to Iran from the end of the world cup ..... probably see him on the "favourites" list tomorrow!
I mentioned his name myself a few weeks ago but until then I thought that he had been responsible for Leverkusens entry to the champions league - but someone on this forum is spot on - he has provided only feedback and commentary after matches - he hasn't managed at all! Who says he is favourite? Doubt Albion even have him on their shortlist - you got to give them some credit! Good one for me would be Carlos Queiroz - contracted to Iran from the end of the world cup ..... probably see him on the "favourites" list tomorrow! Mancgulled
  • Score: 2

5:50pm Tue 3 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Brian McDermott left Leeds on Saturday, and it is my hope that he is a late contender for the job. If so, it is likely he would be interviewed this week.

Ex-pat Arnie, even after all the correspondence between you and I (and others), you still haven't grasped the advantages of employing a Manager with a good track record in the Championship.
If there were foreign Managers available with reasonable experience and success at this level of the English game, they should be considered, BUT THERE AREN'T ANY.
You give a list of British Managers who finished in the bottom five, but we don't have to employ any of them, unless there were circumstances which suggest that they performed miracles against all the odds.
Teams which get promoted from this Division do so with Managers with experience in either this Division or the Premier League.
There is no law saying that someone from a different managerial background couldn't come along and cause an upset, but it is a high risk strategy. Look at the statistics and tell me I am wrong. (I know you will.)
Brian McDermott left Leeds on Saturday, and it is my hope that he is a late contender for the job. If so, it is likely he would be interviewed this week. Ex-pat Arnie, even after all the correspondence between you and I (and others), you still haven't grasped the advantages of employing a Manager with a good track record in the Championship. If there were foreign Managers available with reasonable experience and success at this level of the English game, they should be considered, BUT THERE AREN'T ANY. You give a list of British Managers who finished in the bottom five, but we don't have to employ any of them, unless there were circumstances which suggest that they performed miracles against all the odds. Teams which get promoted from this Division do so with Managers with experience in either this Division or the Premier League. There is no law saying that someone from a different managerial background couldn't come along and cause an upset, but it is a high risk strategy. Look at the statistics and tell me I am wrong. (I know you will.) gordongull
  • Score: -1

5:51pm Tue 3 Jun 14

MileOakSEAGULL says...

I'm not a fan of the Burke/Barber/Headcoa
ch set up and much prefer to see a manager given a budget and the freedom to build his own team. Having said that ( and it pains me to say this ) but the last 2 seasons finishing in the play off positions, with 2 different Managers....Clearly TB has got this bit right and I for one welcome him taking his time in selecting the right person. Whoever it is (Hyypia/Sherwood/ Hughton or someone else) then it will have been well thought out with the best interests of the Club in mind. However - for gods sake, if the new Manager does well, then please let this one stick. We should not be a stepping stone club and we need to give our Head Coach/ Manager some autonomy to strengthen the team with ultimately his own player choices and budget - which he would choose to accept at the time of appointment. He would either get us promoted or fall on his sword, but at least without any excuses... Oh, and one more thing: No more players to leave situation resolved..surely!!!!
I'm not a fan of the Burke/Barber/Headcoa ch set up and much prefer to see a manager given a budget and the freedom to build his own team. Having said that ( and it pains me to say this ) but the last 2 seasons finishing in the play off positions, with 2 different Managers....Clearly TB has got this bit right and I for one welcome him taking his time in selecting the right person. Whoever it is (Hyypia/Sherwood/ Hughton or someone else) then it will have been well thought out with the best interests of the Club in mind. However - for gods sake, if the new Manager does well, then please let this one stick. We should not be a stepping stone club and we need to give our Head Coach/ Manager some autonomy to strengthen the team with ultimately his own player choices and budget - which he would choose to accept at the time of appointment. He would either get us promoted or fall on his sword, but at least without any excuses... Oh, and one more thing: No more players to leave situation resolved..surely!!!! MileOakSEAGULL
  • Score: 1

6:03pm Tue 3 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Mark, your call for our new manager to be given enough funds to go for promotion, I assume you mean promotion this year, correct?

I am left wondering if you really mean it when you call for that level of funds to be made available in just one season. If I were to suggest that at this time we need around nine new players, would I be that far out? If we were to make the big challenge this season, do you think that those remaining in the squad today, are all of a standard to get us there, or would we have to think about replacing two or three of them too?

Mark what would be your idea of a suitable budget to see us go for it, this season?
Mark, your call for our new manager to be given enough funds to go for promotion, I assume you mean promotion this year, correct? I am left wondering if you really mean it when you call for that level of funds to be made available in just one season. If I were to suggest that at this time we need around nine new players, would I be that far out? If we were to make the big challenge this season, do you think that those remaining in the squad today, are all of a standard to get us there, or would we have to think about replacing two or three of them too? Mark what would be your idea of a suitable budget to see us go for it, this season? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

6:04pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Harlem shuffle says...

Justin wrote:
Frustrating as it is for us fans, it's better to take the extra time to get the right person. TB & co have done brilliantly to bring the Albion to where it is now so we can trust them to make a good appointment and don't need to worry or whine.
Taking your time does not always mean you get the right man, they took their time when they employed Oscar and look what happen, striking while the iron is hot can sometimes yield dividends too.Personally although they claim to have plenty interested in the job i would not be surprised if getting the right man is a struggle for them. x
[quote][p][bold]Justin[/bold] wrote: Frustrating as it is for us fans, it's better to take the extra time to get the right person. TB & co have done brilliantly to bring the Albion to where it is now so we can trust them to make a good appointment and don't need to worry or whine.[/p][/quote]Taking your time does not always mean you get the right man, they took their time when they employed Oscar and look what happen, striking while the iron is hot can sometimes yield dividends too.Personally although they claim to have plenty interested in the job i would not be surprised if getting the right man is a struggle for them. x Harlem shuffle
  • Score: 1

6:10pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

gordongull wrote:
Brian McDermott left Leeds on Saturday, and it is my hope that he is a late contender for the job. If so, it is likely he would be interviewed this week.

Ex-pat Arnie, even after all the correspondence between you and I (and others), you still haven't grasped the advantages of employing a Manager with a good track record in the Championship.
If there were foreign Managers available with reasonable experience and success at this level of the English game, they should be considered, BUT THERE AREN'T ANY.
You give a list of British Managers who finished in the bottom five, but we don't have to employ any of them, unless there were circumstances which suggest that they performed miracles against all the odds.
Teams which get promoted from this Division do so with Managers with experience in either this Division or the Premier League.
There is no law saying that someone from a different managerial background couldn't come along and cause an upset, but it is a high risk strategy. Look at the statistics and tell me I am wrong. (I know you will.)
GG, If you follow your logic to its wider conclusion, Jose Mourinho would never have got a job in management. And, for that matter, we'd never have employed Gus.
Also, may I just politely say that perhaps the reason EPA hasn't 'grasped' the advantages of a proven championship manager, is because he doesn't think that's necessarily important? Your view isn't factual, it's your opinion, just as his is. And your both entitled to them.
Thanks for listening...
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Brian McDermott left Leeds on Saturday, and it is my hope that he is a late contender for the job. If so, it is likely he would be interviewed this week. Ex-pat Arnie, even after all the correspondence between you and I (and others), you still haven't grasped the advantages of employing a Manager with a good track record in the Championship. If there were foreign Managers available with reasonable experience and success at this level of the English game, they should be considered, BUT THERE AREN'T ANY. You give a list of British Managers who finished in the bottom five, but we don't have to employ any of them, unless there were circumstances which suggest that they performed miracles against all the odds. Teams which get promoted from this Division do so with Managers with experience in either this Division or the Premier League. There is no law saying that someone from a different managerial background couldn't come along and cause an upset, but it is a high risk strategy. Look at the statistics and tell me I am wrong. (I know you will.)[/p][/quote]GG, If you follow your logic to its wider conclusion, Jose Mourinho would never have got a job in management. And, for that matter, we'd never have employed Gus. Also, may I just politely say that perhaps the reason EPA hasn't 'grasped' the advantages of a proven championship manager, is because he doesn't think that's necessarily important? Your view isn't factual, it's your opinion, just as his is. And your both entitled to them. Thanks for listening... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 6

6:19pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Crucial Point says...

With hair like that he'll make a great impression!
With hair like that he'll make a great impression! Crucial Point
  • Score: 1

6:19pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, your call for our new manager to be given enough funds to go for promotion, I assume you mean promotion this year, correct?

I am left wondering if you really mean it when you call for that level of funds to be made available in just one season. If I were to suggest that at this time we need around nine new players, would I be that far out? If we were to make the big challenge this season, do you think that those remaining in the squad today, are all of a standard to get us there, or would we have to think about replacing two or three of them too?

Mark what would be your idea of a suitable budget to see us go for it, this season?
A budget in line with the club having 24000 season tickets , who pay premiership money to watch pretty poor football if I am honest,
We need 12 players, most of those will want a two year deal....
Example who would have had Ward on there left back list 12 months ago?
Now realise he is on £600k a year,
If we go cheaper ? Exactly how much are we going to pay theses fill in players who I assume your saying won't get us out of this league?
FFP rules won't help clubs who don't recieve parachute payments, infact the gap between clubs with and without will get wider as FFP rules hit years three.
How exactly are we going to go forward paying second class players to entertain people paying first class prices?
I honestly think someone is assuming the 24000 are here to stay! And the fans will part with more cash to recieve poorer fair!
If your suggesting a different scenario I would love to hear it! But signing cheap is a expensive gamble if it fails.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, your call for our new manager to be given enough funds to go for promotion, I assume you mean promotion this year, correct? I am left wondering if you really mean it when you call for that level of funds to be made available in just one season. If I were to suggest that at this time we need around nine new players, would I be that far out? If we were to make the big challenge this season, do you think that those remaining in the squad today, are all of a standard to get us there, or would we have to think about replacing two or three of them too? Mark what would be your idea of a suitable budget to see us go for it, this season?[/p][/quote]A budget in line with the club having 24000 season tickets , who pay premiership money to watch pretty poor football if I am honest, We need 12 players, most of those will want a two year deal.... Example who would have had Ward on there left back list 12 months ago? Now realise he is on £600k a year, If we go cheaper ? Exactly how much are we going to pay theses fill in players who I assume your saying won't get us out of this league? FFP rules won't help clubs who don't recieve parachute payments, infact the gap between clubs with and without will get wider as FFP rules hit years three. How exactly are we going to go forward paying second class players to entertain people paying first class prices? I honestly think someone is assuming the 24000 are here to stay! And the fans will part with more cash to recieve poorer fair! If your suggesting a different scenario I would love to hear it! But signing cheap is a expensive gamble if it fails. mark by the sea
  • Score: 7

6:32pm Tue 3 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Brian McDermott left Leeds on Saturday, and it is my hope that he is a late contender for the job. If so, it is likely he would be interviewed this week.

Ex-pat Arnie, even after all the correspondence between you and I (and others), you still haven't grasped the advantages of employing a Manager with a good track record in the Championship.
If there were foreign Managers available with reasonable experience and success at this level of the English game, they should be considered, BUT THERE AREN'T ANY.
You give a list of British Managers who finished in the bottom five, but we don't have to employ any of them, unless there were circumstances which suggest that they performed miracles against all the odds.
Teams which get promoted from this Division do so with Managers with experience in either this Division or the Premier League.
There is no law saying that someone from a different managerial background couldn't come along and cause an upset, but it is a high risk strategy. Look at the statistics and tell me I am wrong. (I know you will.)
GG, If you follow your logic to its wider conclusion, Jose Mourinho would never have got a job in management. And, for that matter, we'd never have employed Gus.
Also, may I just politely say that perhaps the reason EPA hasn't 'grasped' the advantages of a proven championship manager, is because he doesn't think that's necessarily important? Your view isn't factual, it's your opinion, just as his is. And your both entitled to them.
Thanks for listening...
Gordon whilst I understand why you have the opinion you hold, with respect I would suggest that there is a flaw in the reasoning behind it.

The type of background you are suggesting we look for in our new manager begs the question, why isn't he with a club right now?
If the candidate has prem experience but is out of work, why did he get fired. If he has Champ Div eperience but is out of work, the same question applies. I would agree that one or two managers lost their job perhaps unfairly, McDermott might be considered one, but generally speaking they have all failed at their clubs and have been let go.

Unless we go for someone out of left field we will end up with a guy that lost his job somewhere, very few resign, so your preferences might well be satisfied, but should they not be, I doubt that we will be any better or worse off. My prefered choice is Hughton, but he got fired, but my hope is, whoever we get, we don't start to pick his history apart and write him off before a ball is even kicked.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Brian McDermott left Leeds on Saturday, and it is my hope that he is a late contender for the job. If so, it is likely he would be interviewed this week. Ex-pat Arnie, even after all the correspondence between you and I (and others), you still haven't grasped the advantages of employing a Manager with a good track record in the Championship. If there were foreign Managers available with reasonable experience and success at this level of the English game, they should be considered, BUT THERE AREN'T ANY. You give a list of British Managers who finished in the bottom five, but we don't have to employ any of them, unless there were circumstances which suggest that they performed miracles against all the odds. Teams which get promoted from this Division do so with Managers with experience in either this Division or the Premier League. There is no law saying that someone from a different managerial background couldn't come along and cause an upset, but it is a high risk strategy. Look at the statistics and tell me I am wrong. (I know you will.)[/p][/quote]GG, If you follow your logic to its wider conclusion, Jose Mourinho would never have got a job in management. And, for that matter, we'd never have employed Gus. Also, may I just politely say that perhaps the reason EPA hasn't 'grasped' the advantages of a proven championship manager, is because he doesn't think that's necessarily important? Your view isn't factual, it's your opinion, just as his is. And your both entitled to them. Thanks for listening...[/p][/quote]Gordon whilst I understand why you have the opinion you hold, with respect I would suggest that there is a flaw in the reasoning behind it. The type of background you are suggesting we look for in our new manager begs the question, why isn't he with a club right now? If the candidate has prem experience but is out of work, why did he get fired. If he has Champ Div eperience but is out of work, the same question applies. I would agree that one or two managers lost their job perhaps unfairly, McDermott might be considered one, but generally speaking they have all failed at their clubs and have been let go. Unless we go for someone out of left field we will end up with a guy that lost his job somewhere, very few resign, so your preferences might well be satisfied, but should they not be, I doubt that we will be any better or worse off. My prefered choice is Hughton, but he got fired, but my hope is, whoever we get, we don't start to pick his history apart and write him off before a ball is even kicked. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

6:34pm Tue 3 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, your call for our new manager to be given enough funds to go for promotion, I assume you mean promotion this year, correct?

I am left wondering if you really mean it when you call for that level of funds to be made available in just one season. If I were to suggest that at this time we need around nine new players, would I be that far out? If we were to make the big challenge this season, do you think that those remaining in the squad today, are all of a standard to get us there, or would we have to think about replacing two or three of them too?

Mark what would be your idea of a suitable budget to see us go for it, this season?
A budget in line with the club having 24000 season tickets , who pay premiership money to watch pretty poor football if I am honest,
We need 12 players, most of those will want a two year deal....
Example who would have had Ward on there left back list 12 months ago?
Now realise he is on £600k a year,
If we go cheaper ? Exactly how much are we going to pay theses fill in players who I assume your saying won't get us out of this league?
FFP rules won't help clubs who don't recieve parachute payments, infact the gap between clubs with and without will get wider as FFP rules hit years three.
How exactly are we going to go forward paying second class players to entertain people paying first class prices?
I honestly think someone is assuming the 24000 are here to stay! And the fans will part with more cash to recieve poorer fair!
If your suggesting a different scenario I would love to hear it! But signing cheap is a expensive gamble if it fails.
and so your budget figure is???
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, your call for our new manager to be given enough funds to go for promotion, I assume you mean promotion this year, correct? I am left wondering if you really mean it when you call for that level of funds to be made available in just one season. If I were to suggest that at this time we need around nine new players, would I be that far out? If we were to make the big challenge this season, do you think that those remaining in the squad today, are all of a standard to get us there, or would we have to think about replacing two or three of them too? Mark what would be your idea of a suitable budget to see us go for it, this season?[/p][/quote]A budget in line with the club having 24000 season tickets , who pay premiership money to watch pretty poor football if I am honest, We need 12 players, most of those will want a two year deal.... Example who would have had Ward on there left back list 12 months ago? Now realise he is on £600k a year, If we go cheaper ? Exactly how much are we going to pay theses fill in players who I assume your saying won't get us out of this league? FFP rules won't help clubs who don't recieve parachute payments, infact the gap between clubs with and without will get wider as FFP rules hit years three. How exactly are we going to go forward paying second class players to entertain people paying first class prices? I honestly think someone is assuming the 24000 are here to stay! And the fans will part with more cash to recieve poorer fair! If your suggesting a different scenario I would love to hear it! But signing cheap is a expensive gamble if it fails.[/p][/quote]and so your budget figure is??? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

6:42pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, your call for our new manager to be given enough funds to go for promotion, I assume you mean promotion this year, correct?

I am left wondering if you really mean it when you call for that level of funds to be made available in just one season. If I were to suggest that at this time we need around nine new players, would I be that far out? If we were to make the big challenge this season, do you think that those remaining in the squad today, are all of a standard to get us there, or would we have to think about replacing two or three of them too?

Mark what would be your idea of a suitable budget to see us go for it, this season?
A budget in line with the club having 24000 season tickets , who pay premiership money to watch pretty poor football if I am honest,
We need 12 players, most of those will want a two year deal....
Example who would have had Ward on there left back list 12 months ago?
Now realise he is on £600k a year,
If we go cheaper ? Exactly how much are we going to pay theses fill in players who I assume your saying won't get us out of this league?
FFP rules won't help clubs who don't recieve parachute payments, infact the gap between clubs with and without will get wider as FFP rules hit years three.
How exactly are we going to go forward paying second class players to entertain people paying first class prices?
I honestly think someone is assuming the 24000 are here to stay! And the fans will part with more cash to recieve poorer fair!
If your suggesting a different scenario I would love to hear it! But signing cheap is a expensive gamble if it fails.
and so your budget figure is???
10 million for wages and purchases.
12 players on average of 12k a week = 7 million a year.
Fees 1.2 million ( movement and agent fees)
4 x 500k to buy quality players under 25 years
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, your call for our new manager to be given enough funds to go for promotion, I assume you mean promotion this year, correct? I am left wondering if you really mean it when you call for that level of funds to be made available in just one season. If I were to suggest that at this time we need around nine new players, would I be that far out? If we were to make the big challenge this season, do you think that those remaining in the squad today, are all of a standard to get us there, or would we have to think about replacing two or three of them too? Mark what would be your idea of a suitable budget to see us go for it, this season?[/p][/quote]A budget in line with the club having 24000 season tickets , who pay premiership money to watch pretty poor football if I am honest, We need 12 players, most of those will want a two year deal.... Example who would have had Ward on there left back list 12 months ago? Now realise he is on £600k a year, If we go cheaper ? Exactly how much are we going to pay theses fill in players who I assume your saying won't get us out of this league? FFP rules won't help clubs who don't recieve parachute payments, infact the gap between clubs with and without will get wider as FFP rules hit years three. How exactly are we going to go forward paying second class players to entertain people paying first class prices? I honestly think someone is assuming the 24000 are here to stay! And the fans will part with more cash to recieve poorer fair! If your suggesting a different scenario I would love to hear it! But signing cheap is a expensive gamble if it fails.[/p][/quote]and so your budget figure is???[/p][/quote]10 million for wages and purchases. 12 players on average of 12k a week = 7 million a year. Fees 1.2 million ( movement and agent fees) 4 x 500k to buy quality players under 25 years mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

6:55pm Tue 3 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, your call for our new manager to be given enough funds to go for promotion, I assume you mean promotion this year, correct?

I am left wondering if you really mean it when you call for that level of funds to be made available in just one season. If I were to suggest that at this time we need around nine new players, would I be that far out? If we were to make the big challenge this season, do you think that those remaining in the squad today, are all of a standard to get us there, or would we have to think about replacing two or three of them too?

Mark what would be your idea of a suitable budget to see us go for it, this season?
A budget in line with the club having 24000 season tickets , who pay premiership money to watch pretty poor football if I am honest,
We need 12 players, most of those will want a two year deal....
Example who would have had Ward on there left back list 12 months ago?
Now realise he is on £600k a year,
If we go cheaper ? Exactly how much are we going to pay theses fill in players who I assume your saying won't get us out of this league?
FFP rules won't help clubs who don't recieve parachute payments, infact the gap between clubs with and without will get wider as FFP rules hit years three.
How exactly are we going to go forward paying second class players to entertain people paying first class prices?
I honestly think someone is assuming the 24000 are here to stay! And the fans will part with more cash to recieve poorer fair!
If your suggesting a different scenario I would love to hear it! But signing cheap is a expensive gamble if it fails.
and so your budget figure is???
10 million for wages and purchases.
12 players on average of 12k a week = 7 million a year.
Fees 1.2 million ( movement and agent fees)
4 x 500k to buy quality players under 25 years
not sure that the club will have a budget of 10M, maybe some of the 12 will be loanees thus reducing our total costs.

Mark if we were to have a budget of the size you suggest, do you think that the budget might have an effect on our commitment to adhering to the FFP rules?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, your call for our new manager to be given enough funds to go for promotion, I assume you mean promotion this year, correct? I am left wondering if you really mean it when you call for that level of funds to be made available in just one season. If I were to suggest that at this time we need around nine new players, would I be that far out? If we were to make the big challenge this season, do you think that those remaining in the squad today, are all of a standard to get us there, or would we have to think about replacing two or three of them too? Mark what would be your idea of a suitable budget to see us go for it, this season?[/p][/quote]A budget in line with the club having 24000 season tickets , who pay premiership money to watch pretty poor football if I am honest, We need 12 players, most of those will want a two year deal.... Example who would have had Ward on there left back list 12 months ago? Now realise he is on £600k a year, If we go cheaper ? Exactly how much are we going to pay theses fill in players who I assume your saying won't get us out of this league? FFP rules won't help clubs who don't recieve parachute payments, infact the gap between clubs with and without will get wider as FFP rules hit years three. How exactly are we going to go forward paying second class players to entertain people paying first class prices? I honestly think someone is assuming the 24000 are here to stay! And the fans will part with more cash to recieve poorer fair! If your suggesting a different scenario I would love to hear it! But signing cheap is a expensive gamble if it fails.[/p][/quote]and so your budget figure is???[/p][/quote]10 million for wages and purchases. 12 players on average of 12k a week = 7 million a year. Fees 1.2 million ( movement and agent fees) 4 x 500k to buy quality players under 25 years[/p][/quote]not sure that the club will have a budget of 10M, maybe some of the 12 will be loanees thus reducing our total costs. Mark if we were to have a budget of the size you suggest, do you think that the budget might have an effect on our commitment to adhering to the FFP rules? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

6:55pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Claude Back says...

jimbo1234 wrote:
Guess what. I really don't give a dam anymore. I have supported Albion for 65 years and the only certainty about the new manager/coach appointment is this. His salary will probably be non negotiable, his role will be to train the team with an imput only with regard to team selection. His masters will be the Director of Football, the Chief Executive Officer ad Tony Bloom. He will find it hard to carry out his job description. It was clear to me that Oscar Garcia was no Gus Poyet, indeed he was very much under qualified to be Albion's Manager/Coach. It was the determination of the players that resulted in the team reaching the play offs, not Garcia. He had no commitment to Albion. He is now back in Israel with his former club according to the Argus. I think this is where his ability and commitment is best suited Sorry to mention the word money but football is primarily a business..
Excellent post and you understand the situation exactly, especially about Garcia. A lot of people working at the Club, that I talk to often, thought he was useless and so did I. T.B. did eventually realise but he admits privately it was a mistake to employ him.
Amazes me that others cannot and could not see it but I suppose most of the posters on here don't live around Brighton so they don't really know what is happening and rely on the few articles that the Argus post on this site. Remember, folks, there are many other columns and articles that don't get posted. This is not the whole newspaper...that's why it's free!
[quote][p][bold]jimbo1234[/bold] wrote: Guess what. I really don't give a dam anymore. I have supported Albion for 65 years and the only certainty about the new manager/coach appointment is this. His salary will probably be non negotiable, his role will be to train the team with an imput only with regard to team selection. His masters will be the Director of Football, the Chief Executive Officer ad Tony Bloom. He will find it hard to carry out his job description. It was clear to me that Oscar Garcia was no Gus Poyet, indeed he was very much under qualified to be Albion's Manager/Coach. It was the determination of the players that resulted in the team reaching the play offs, not Garcia. He had no commitment to Albion. He is now back in Israel with his former club according to the Argus. I think this is where his ability and commitment is best suited Sorry to mention the word money but football is primarily a business..[/p][/quote]Excellent post and you understand the situation exactly, especially about Garcia. A lot of people working at the Club, that I talk to often, thought he was useless and so did I. T.B. did eventually realise but he admits privately it was a mistake to employ him. Amazes me that others cannot and could not see it but I suppose most of the posters on here don't live around Brighton so they don't really know what is happening and rely on the few articles that the Argus post on this site. Remember, folks, there are many other columns and articles that don't get posted. This is not the whole newspaper...that's why it's free! Claude Back
  • Score: 7

6:57pm Tue 3 Jun 14

ballantrrae says...

fairweathersupporter wrote:
Not the worse choice we could make. Could even be inspired. Not much experience but two seasons at a higher level with top pro's. As for his experience of the game, could that be questioned? Never struck me as a yes man. And he is Finnish, which has been a problem for us over the last few seasons...
Nice one fairweahersupporter ! As you say could just be the guy to help us find the opposition net more frequently and to reach 1st or 2nd place and so secure automatic promotion !
[quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: Not the worse choice we could make. Could even be inspired. Not much experience but two seasons at a higher level with top pro's. As for his experience of the game, could that be questioned? Never struck me as a yes man. And he is Finnish, which has been a problem for us over the last few seasons...[/p][/quote]Nice one fairweahersupporter ! As you say could just be the guy to help us find the opposition net more frequently and to reach 1st or 2nd place and so secure automatic promotion ! ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

7:09pm Tue 3 Jun 14

ballantrrae says...

Claude Back wrote:
jimbo1234 wrote:
Guess what. I really don't give a dam anymore. I have supported Albion for 65 years and the only certainty about the new manager/coach appointment is this. His salary will probably be non negotiable, his role will be to train the team with an imput only with regard to team selection. His masters will be the Director of Football, the Chief Executive Officer ad Tony Bloom. He will find it hard to carry out his job description. It was clear to me that Oscar Garcia was no Gus Poyet, indeed he was very much under qualified to be Albion's Manager/Coach. It was the determination of the players that resulted in the team reaching the play offs, not Garcia. He had no commitment to Albion. He is now back in Israel with his former club according to the Argus. I think this is where his ability and commitment is best suited Sorry to mention the word money but football is primarily a business..
Excellent post and you understand the situation exactly, especially about Garcia. A lot of people working at the Club, that I talk to often, thought he was useless and so did I. T.B. did eventually realise but he admits privately it was a mistake to employ him.
Amazes me that others cannot and could not see it but I suppose most of the posters on here don't live around Brighton so they don't really know what is happening and rely on the few articles that the Argus post on this site. Remember, folks, there are many other columns and articles that don't get posted. This is not the whole newspaper...that's why it's free!
Two interesting posts.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbo1234[/bold] wrote: Guess what. I really don't give a dam anymore. I have supported Albion for 65 years and the only certainty about the new manager/coach appointment is this. His salary will probably be non negotiable, his role will be to train the team with an imput only with regard to team selection. His masters will be the Director of Football, the Chief Executive Officer ad Tony Bloom. He will find it hard to carry out his job description. It was clear to me that Oscar Garcia was no Gus Poyet, indeed he was very much under qualified to be Albion's Manager/Coach. It was the determination of the players that resulted in the team reaching the play offs, not Garcia. He had no commitment to Albion. He is now back in Israel with his former club according to the Argus. I think this is where his ability and commitment is best suited Sorry to mention the word money but football is primarily a business..[/p][/quote]Excellent post and you understand the situation exactly, especially about Garcia. A lot of people working at the Club, that I talk to often, thought he was useless and so did I. T.B. did eventually realise but he admits privately it was a mistake to employ him. Amazes me that others cannot and could not see it but I suppose most of the posters on here don't live around Brighton so they don't really know what is happening and rely on the few articles that the Argus post on this site. Remember, folks, there are many other columns and articles that don't get posted. This is not the whole newspaper...that's why it's free![/p][/quote]Two interesting posts. ballantrrae
  • Score: 2

7:16pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, your call for our new manager to be given enough funds to go for promotion, I assume you mean promotion this year, correct?

I am left wondering if you really mean it when you call for that level of funds to be made available in just one season. If I were to suggest that at this time we need around nine new players, would I be that far out? If we were to make the big challenge this season, do you think that those remaining in the squad today, are all of a standard to get us there, or would we have to think about replacing two or three of them too?

Mark what would be your idea of a suitable budget to see us go for it, this season?
A budget in line with the club having 24000 season tickets , who pay premiership money to watch pretty poor football if I am honest,
We need 12 players, most of those will want a two year deal....
Example who would have had Ward on there left back list 12 months ago?
Now realise he is on £600k a year,
If we go cheaper ? Exactly how much are we going to pay theses fill in players who I assume your saying won't get us out of this league?
FFP rules won't help clubs who don't recieve parachute payments, infact the gap between clubs with and without will get wider as FFP rules hit years three.
How exactly are we going to go forward paying second class players to entertain people paying first class prices?
I honestly think someone is assuming the 24000 are here to stay! And the fans will part with more cash to recieve poorer fair!
If your suggesting a different scenario I would love to hear it! But signing cheap is a expensive gamble if it fails.
and so your budget figure is???
10 million for wages and purchases.
12 players on average of 12k a week = 7 million a year.
Fees 1.2 million ( movement and agent fees)
4 x 500k to buy quality players under 25 years
not sure that the club will have a budget of 10M, maybe some of the 12 will be loanees thus reducing our total costs.

Mark if we were to have a budget of the size you suggest, do you think that the budget might have an effect on our commitment to adhering to the FFP rules?
Loan players cost fees , IE Tom Ince loan fee for 6 months from Blackpool to palace 1m
Let's go back 12 months and add wages and sale fees to date, Vicente was probably on 15k a week. Bridcutt 10k Barnes 6k upson 15k TK 12k elabd 5k
Brez 4k Orlandi 12k Hoskins 5k Lopez 6k
Sale figures bridcutt 4m
Barnes 750k
Elabd 90k
I make that 10 million ish.. If you add the players I have left off the wage list of those who have left.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, your call for our new manager to be given enough funds to go for promotion, I assume you mean promotion this year, correct? I am left wondering if you really mean it when you call for that level of funds to be made available in just one season. If I were to suggest that at this time we need around nine new players, would I be that far out? If we were to make the big challenge this season, do you think that those remaining in the squad today, are all of a standard to get us there, or would we have to think about replacing two or three of them too? Mark what would be your idea of a suitable budget to see us go for it, this season?[/p][/quote]A budget in line with the club having 24000 season tickets , who pay premiership money to watch pretty poor football if I am honest, We need 12 players, most of those will want a two year deal.... Example who would have had Ward on there left back list 12 months ago? Now realise he is on £600k a year, If we go cheaper ? Exactly how much are we going to pay theses fill in players who I assume your saying won't get us out of this league? FFP rules won't help clubs who don't recieve parachute payments, infact the gap between clubs with and without will get wider as FFP rules hit years three. How exactly are we going to go forward paying second class players to entertain people paying first class prices? I honestly think someone is assuming the 24000 are here to stay! And the fans will part with more cash to recieve poorer fair! If your suggesting a different scenario I would love to hear it! But signing cheap is a expensive gamble if it fails.[/p][/quote]and so your budget figure is???[/p][/quote]10 million for wages and purchases. 12 players on average of 12k a week = 7 million a year. Fees 1.2 million ( movement and agent fees) 4 x 500k to buy quality players under 25 years[/p][/quote]not sure that the club will have a budget of 10M, maybe some of the 12 will be loanees thus reducing our total costs. Mark if we were to have a budget of the size you suggest, do you think that the budget might have an effect on our commitment to adhering to the FFP rules?[/p][/quote]Loan players cost fees , IE Tom Ince loan fee for 6 months from Blackpool to palace 1m Let's go back 12 months and add wages and sale fees to date, Vicente was probably on 15k a week. Bridcutt 10k Barnes 6k upson 15k TK 12k elabd 5k Brez 4k Orlandi 12k Hoskins 5k Lopez 6k Sale figures bridcutt 4m Barnes 750k Elabd 90k I make that 10 million ish.. If you add the players I have left off the wage list of those who have left. mark by the sea
  • Score: 8

7:26pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Marky24 says...

Hyppia couldn't manage his dinner,McDermott is the man or jonny crumplin!
Hyppia couldn't manage his dinner,McDermott is the man or jonny crumplin! Marky24
  • Score: -7

7:45pm Tue 3 Jun 14

9 of us says...

My money is on Eamesinho. That's where the smart money is placed at present..
My money is on Eamesinho. That's where the smart money is placed at present.. 9 of us
  • Score: 0

7:46pm Tue 3 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Mark I am not so sure that your math works for us. You kind of identify where a budget of 10M might come from but apart from Bridcutt, would we not have to buy simillar quality of players that have left in order to stay inside of your 10M figure? Vicente, 15K a week, didn't he leave before our previous season started?

The money you identify from sales and wage savings might be right, apart from Vicente, but as I say, would that not mean that we only have a budget to buy like for like palyers. A promotion squad surely has to be of a quality above what we had, and likely to cost more to put together, or am I missing soemthing?
Mark I am not so sure that your math works for us. You kind of identify where a budget of 10M might come from but apart from Bridcutt, would we not have to buy simillar quality of players that have left in order to stay inside of your 10M figure? Vicente, 15K a week, didn't he leave before our previous season started? The money you identify from sales and wage savings might be right, apart from Vicente, but as I say, would that not mean that we only have a budget to buy like for like palyers. A promotion squad surely has to be of a quality above what we had, and likely to cost more to put together, or am I missing soemthing? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

7:52pm Tue 3 Jun 14

tug509 says...

It seems that ,so long as as you agree with everything that is positive and dont rock the boat with any anti ..,well anti anything ,then thats a good post .
Simple facts are .
1 We have cleared out dozens of ancillary and auxillary workers from the day to day running of the club.
2 We have sold Barnes ,Bridcutt , Barker , El Abd and any other i have forgotten.
3 We only paid a fee for one player DS all last season ,as i am aware .
4 We didn`t spend any of last seasons budget .
5 In fact we ended the season (after taking care of annual defecit ,if what was put on here is accurate ) with all our seasons budget intact plus maybe 2m from player sales .Add this seasons budget to that and MBTS guestimate of 10m must be very close ,if not undercooked .

But my worry is this ,why does burke get a bonus for us keeping money in the bank ,or put another way not buying players ?.
Or better still ask yourself the easiest of questions ,twice the gate as Burnley ,more expensive than Leicester ,more shirt sales than at least half the league ,sponsored by AMEX ,new deal for naming rights on the training ground ,new shirt deal with NIKE ,and our ONLY buy last year of consequence to the first team was Dale ,a great buy ,but the only one !!.
It seems that ,so long as as you agree with everything that is positive and dont rock the boat with any anti ..,well anti anything ,then thats a good post . Simple facts are . 1 We have cleared out dozens of ancillary and auxillary workers from the day to day running of the club. 2 We have sold Barnes ,Bridcutt , Barker , El Abd and any other i have forgotten. 3 We only paid a fee for one player DS all last season ,as i am aware . 4 We didn`t spend any of last seasons budget . 5 In fact we ended the season (after taking care of annual defecit ,if what was put on here is accurate ) with all our seasons budget intact plus maybe 2m from player sales .Add this seasons budget to that and MBTS guestimate of 10m must be very close ,if not undercooked . But my worry is this ,why does burke get a bonus for us keeping money in the bank ,or put another way not buying players ?. Or better still ask yourself the easiest of questions ,twice the gate as Burnley ,more expensive than Leicester ,more shirt sales than at least half the league ,sponsored by AMEX ,new deal for naming rights on the training ground ,new shirt deal with NIKE ,and our ONLY buy last year of consequence to the first team was Dale ,a great buy ,but the only one !!. tug509
  • Score: 8

7:53pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark I am not so sure that your math works for us. You kind of identify where a budget of 10M might come from but apart from Bridcutt, would we not have to buy simillar quality of players that have left in order to stay inside of your 10M figure? Vicente, 15K a week, didn't he leave before our previous season started?

The money you identify from sales and wage savings might be right, apart from Vicente, but as I say, would that not mean that we only have a budget to buy like for like palyers. A promotion squad surely has to be of a quality above what we had, and likely to cost more to put together, or am I missing soemthing?
Who has joined since Gus left? Last season TB announced we would increase the budget from the previous year, unless I have missed somebody I can't see where that has gone?
I have allowed wages in savings from players not replaced,, plus sale figures,
I am not talking about increasing the budget , but keeping it where it was 12 months ago, add the 5% increase in seat costs.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark I am not so sure that your math works for us. You kind of identify where a budget of 10M might come from but apart from Bridcutt, would we not have to buy simillar quality of players that have left in order to stay inside of your 10M figure? Vicente, 15K a week, didn't he leave before our previous season started? The money you identify from sales and wage savings might be right, apart from Vicente, but as I say, would that not mean that we only have a budget to buy like for like palyers. A promotion squad surely has to be of a quality above what we had, and likely to cost more to put together, or am I missing soemthing?[/p][/quote]Who has joined since Gus left? Last season TB announced we would increase the budget from the previous year, unless I have missed somebody I can't see where that has gone? I have allowed wages in savings from players not replaced,, plus sale figures, I am not talking about increasing the budget , but keeping it where it was 12 months ago, add the 5% increase in seat costs. mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

7:57pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

tug509 wrote:
It seems that ,so long as as you agree with everything that is positive and dont rock the boat with any anti ..,well anti anything ,then thats a good post .
Simple facts are .
1 We have cleared out dozens of ancillary and auxillary workers from the day to day running of the club.
2 We have sold Barnes ,Bridcutt , Barker , El Abd and any other i have forgotten.
3 We only paid a fee for one player DS all last season ,as i am aware .
4 We didn`t spend any of last seasons budget .
5 In fact we ended the season (after taking care of annual defecit ,if what was put on here is accurate ) with all our seasons budget intact plus maybe 2m from player sales .Add this seasons budget to that and MBTS guestimate of 10m must be very close ,if not undercooked .

But my worry is this ,why does burke get a bonus for us keeping money in the bank ,or put another way not buying players ?.
Or better still ask yourself the easiest of questions ,twice the gate as Burnley ,more expensive than Leicester ,more shirt sales than at least half the league ,sponsored by AMEX ,new deal for naming rights on the training ground ,new shirt deal with NIKE ,and our ONLY buy last year of consequence to the first team was Dale ,a great buy ,but the only one !!.
Cheers tug, as you say my figures are guesswork, but add painter and dicker to the release from 12 months ago and we should be pretty strong ..
As you say if we can't be competitive with all you name who can in this division.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: It seems that ,so long as as you agree with everything that is positive and dont rock the boat with any anti ..,well anti anything ,then thats a good post . Simple facts are . 1 We have cleared out dozens of ancillary and auxillary workers from the day to day running of the club. 2 We have sold Barnes ,Bridcutt , Barker , El Abd and any other i have forgotten. 3 We only paid a fee for one player DS all last season ,as i am aware . 4 We didn`t spend any of last seasons budget . 5 In fact we ended the season (after taking care of annual defecit ,if what was put on here is accurate ) with all our seasons budget intact plus maybe 2m from player sales .Add this seasons budget to that and MBTS guestimate of 10m must be very close ,if not undercooked . But my worry is this ,why does burke get a bonus for us keeping money in the bank ,or put another way not buying players ?. Or better still ask yourself the easiest of questions ,twice the gate as Burnley ,more expensive than Leicester ,more shirt sales than at least half the league ,sponsored by AMEX ,new deal for naming rights on the training ground ,new shirt deal with NIKE ,and our ONLY buy last year of consequence to the first team was Dale ,a great buy ,but the only one !!.[/p][/quote]Cheers tug, as you say my figures are guesswork, but add painter and dicker to the release from 12 months ago and we should be pretty strong .. As you say if we can't be competitive with all you name who can in this division. mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

7:59pm Tue 3 Jun 14

ringtone says...

tug509 wrote:
It seems that ,so long as as you agree with everything that is positive and dont rock the boat with any anti ..,well anti anything ,then thats a good post .
Simple facts are .
1 We have cleared out dozens of ancillary and auxillary workers from the day to day running of the club.
2 We have sold Barnes ,Bridcutt , Barker , El Abd and any other i have forgotten.
3 We only paid a fee for one player DS all last season ,as i am aware .
4 We didn`t spend any of last seasons budget .
5 In fact we ended the season (after taking care of annual defecit ,if what was put on here is accurate ) with all our seasons budget intact plus maybe 2m from player sales .Add this seasons budget to that and MBTS guestimate of 10m must be very close ,if not undercooked .

But my worry is this ,why does burke get a bonus for us keeping money in the bank ,or put another way not buying players ?.
Or better still ask yourself the easiest of questions ,twice the gate as Burnley ,more expensive than Leicester ,more shirt sales than at least half the league ,sponsored by AMEX ,new deal for naming rights on the training ground ,new shirt deal with NIKE ,and our ONLY buy last year of consequence to the first team was Dale ,a great buy ,but the only one !!.
Super post.

Thank you Tug.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: It seems that ,so long as as you agree with everything that is positive and dont rock the boat with any anti ..,well anti anything ,then thats a good post . Simple facts are . 1 We have cleared out dozens of ancillary and auxillary workers from the day to day running of the club. 2 We have sold Barnes ,Bridcutt , Barker , El Abd and any other i have forgotten. 3 We only paid a fee for one player DS all last season ,as i am aware . 4 We didn`t spend any of last seasons budget . 5 In fact we ended the season (after taking care of annual defecit ,if what was put on here is accurate ) with all our seasons budget intact plus maybe 2m from player sales .Add this seasons budget to that and MBTS guestimate of 10m must be very close ,if not undercooked . But my worry is this ,why does burke get a bonus for us keeping money in the bank ,or put another way not buying players ?. Or better still ask yourself the easiest of questions ,twice the gate as Burnley ,more expensive than Leicester ,more shirt sales than at least half the league ,sponsored by AMEX ,new deal for naming rights on the training ground ,new shirt deal with NIKE ,and our ONLY buy last year of consequence to the first team was Dale ,a great buy ,but the only one !!.[/p][/quote]Super post. Thank you Tug. ringtone
  • Score: 6

8:03pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Neville says...

GPs budget was about 8m and a slight increase for OG was stated by OG,however it is clear that budget figure was not fully used plus with sale of,Bridcutt,,ElAbd and Barnes this money has either been used to facilitate FFP or is in the Amex vaults.
With some jobs being made redundant recently it seems pretty clear there are financial issues within the club currently, and this is obviously affecting the recruitment of a msnager plus the fact that there are about three other top jobs out there.
I have mentioned before but the actions at the club over the past 18mths or so have been retrospective ratter than being ahead of the fame and planning ahead. Perhaps some of the cutting needs to be at a higher level.
GPs budget was about 8m and a slight increase for OG was stated by OG,however it is clear that budget figure was not fully used plus with sale of,Bridcutt,,ElAbd and Barnes this money has either been used to facilitate FFP or is in the Amex vaults. With some jobs being made redundant recently it seems pretty clear there are financial issues within the club currently, and this is obviously affecting the recruitment of a msnager plus the fact that there are about three other top jobs out there. I have mentioned before but the actions at the club over the past 18mths or so have been retrospective ratter than being ahead of the fame and planning ahead. Perhaps some of the cutting needs to be at a higher level. Neville
  • Score: 6

8:07pm Tue 3 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark I am not so sure that your math works for us. You kind of identify where a budget of 10M might come from but apart from Bridcutt, would we not have to buy simillar quality of players that have left in order to stay inside of your 10M figure? Vicente, 15K a week, didn't he leave before our previous season started?

The money you identify from sales and wage savings might be right, apart from Vicente, but as I say, would that not mean that we only have a budget to buy like for like palyers. A promotion squad surely has to be of a quality above what we had, and likely to cost more to put together, or am I missing soemthing?
Who has joined since Gus left? Last season TB announced we would increase the budget from the previous year, unless I have missed somebody I can't see where that has gone?
I have allowed wages in savings from players not replaced,, plus sale figures,
I am not talking about increasing the budget , but keeping it where it was 12 months ago, add the 5% increase in seat costs.
ok now I get it, thanks. Well stumping up 10M might be doable but for me that isn't enough for us to challenge for the top in a single season, not with the amount of shirts that need filling. Add to that I am not convinced all those we have retained are going to start this season, not if we want a top two finish.

Greer, good captain but as said so many times last season, he is a yard slow. Buckley is filling a shirt right now but will he stay and even if he does, can we rely on his fitness next season. Is Dunk a starter or back up.

Even if we had taken a more attacking approach last season, fact is our squad wasn't good enough, maybe because so many were injured and maybe not, but we were not top two material. We need better for a challenge this year, and better costs money. If we are to go for it in one season Mark, as good as the 10M looks, I think we will need more. Do we need to sell Ulloa, a step backwards to maybe help us go forward?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark I am not so sure that your math works for us. You kind of identify where a budget of 10M might come from but apart from Bridcutt, would we not have to buy simillar quality of players that have left in order to stay inside of your 10M figure? Vicente, 15K a week, didn't he leave before our previous season started? The money you identify from sales and wage savings might be right, apart from Vicente, but as I say, would that not mean that we only have a budget to buy like for like palyers. A promotion squad surely has to be of a quality above what we had, and likely to cost more to put together, or am I missing soemthing?[/p][/quote]Who has joined since Gus left? Last season TB announced we would increase the budget from the previous year, unless I have missed somebody I can't see where that has gone? I have allowed wages in savings from players not replaced,, plus sale figures, I am not talking about increasing the budget , but keeping it where it was 12 months ago, add the 5% increase in seat costs.[/p][/quote]ok now I get it, thanks. Well stumping up 10M might be doable but for me that isn't enough for us to challenge for the top in a single season, not with the amount of shirts that need filling. Add to that I am not convinced all those we have retained are going to start this season, not if we want a top two finish. Greer, good captain but as said so many times last season, he is a yard slow. Buckley is filling a shirt right now but will he stay and even if he does, can we rely on his fitness next season. Is Dunk a starter or back up. Even if we had taken a more attacking approach last season, fact is our squad wasn't good enough, maybe because so many were injured and maybe not, but we were not top two material. We need better for a challenge this year, and better costs money. If we are to go for it in one season Mark, as good as the 10M looks, I think we will need more. Do we need to sell Ulloa, a step backwards to maybe help us go forward? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

8:27pm Tue 3 Jun 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Brian McDermott left Leeds on Saturday, and it is my hope that he is a late contender for the job. If so, it is likely he would be interviewed this week.

Ex-pat Arnie, even after all the correspondence between you and I (and others), you still haven't grasped the advantages of employing a Manager with a good track record in the Championship.
If there were foreign Managers available with reasonable experience and success at this level of the English game, they should be considered, BUT THERE AREN'T ANY.
You give a list of British Managers who finished in the bottom five, but we don't have to employ any of them, unless there were circumstances which suggest that they performed miracles against all the odds.
Teams which get promoted from this Division do so with Managers with experience in either this Division or the Premier League.
There is no law saying that someone from a different managerial background couldn't come along and cause an upset, but it is a high risk strategy. Look at the statistics and tell me I am wrong. (I know you will.)
GG, If you follow your logic to its wider conclusion, Jose Mourinho would never have got a job in management. And, for that matter, we'd never have employed Gus.
Also, may I just politely say that perhaps the reason EPA hasn't 'grasped' the advantages of a proven championship manager, is because he doesn't think that's necessarily important? Your view isn't factual, it's your opinion, just as his is. And your both entitled to them.
Thanks for listening...
Gordon whilst I understand why you have the opinion you hold, with respect I would suggest that there is a flaw in the reasoning behind it.

The type of background you are suggesting we look for in our new manager begs the question, why isn't he with a club right now?
If the candidate has prem experience but is out of work, why did he get fired. If he has Champ Div eperience but is out of work, the same question applies. I would agree that one or two managers lost their job perhaps unfairly, McDermott might be considered one, but generally speaking they have all failed at their clubs and have been let go.

Unless we go for someone out of left field we will end up with a guy that lost his job somewhere, very few resign, so your preferences might well be satisfied, but should they not be, I doubt that we will be any better or worse off. My prefered choice is Hughton, but he got fired, but my hope is, whoever we get, we don't start to pick his history apart and write him off before a ball is even kicked.
You say my view isn't factual, and is only my opinion, Albion in Staffs.
Facts are the only thing I have written, - and that is why it is my opinion.
Also there might be one or two Mourinhos out there, but why should we be the club who takes all the risks trying to find them?
Gus was already with us when we arrived in the Championship, having just won the 1st Division Title. Ex-pat Arnie is entitled to his opinion, just as I am entitled to point out the facts to him.

You rightly point out that candidates with the relevant experience have been fired somewhere along the line, Vegas, but in Hughton's case , that was from a Premier League Club. His record in the Championship is excellent, and that is what we need him for, not to get us into the Champions' League. McDermott left by mutual consent, and I don't think it is fair to take this season into account, considering the turmoil at Leeds. 'Left of field' appointments have no experience of what is required to get out of the Division.
I assume, that like me, your reasons for favouring Hughton are based on his record in the Championship?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Brian McDermott left Leeds on Saturday, and it is my hope that he is a late contender for the job. If so, it is likely he would be interviewed this week. Ex-pat Arnie, even after all the correspondence between you and I (and others), you still haven't grasped the advantages of employing a Manager with a good track record in the Championship. If there were foreign Managers available with reasonable experience and success at this level of the English game, they should be considered, BUT THERE AREN'T ANY. You give a list of British Managers who finished in the bottom five, but we don't have to employ any of them, unless there were circumstances which suggest that they performed miracles against all the odds. Teams which get promoted from this Division do so with Managers with experience in either this Division or the Premier League. There is no law saying that someone from a different managerial background couldn't come along and cause an upset, but it is a high risk strategy. Look at the statistics and tell me I am wrong. (I know you will.)[/p][/quote]GG, If you follow your logic to its wider conclusion, Jose Mourinho would never have got a job in management. And, for that matter, we'd never have employed Gus. Also, may I just politely say that perhaps the reason EPA hasn't 'grasped' the advantages of a proven championship manager, is because he doesn't think that's necessarily important? Your view isn't factual, it's your opinion, just as his is. And your both entitled to them. Thanks for listening...[/p][/quote]Gordon whilst I understand why you have the opinion you hold, with respect I would suggest that there is a flaw in the reasoning behind it. The type of background you are suggesting we look for in our new manager begs the question, why isn't he with a club right now? If the candidate has prem experience but is out of work, why did he get fired. If he has Champ Div eperience but is out of work, the same question applies. I would agree that one or two managers lost their job perhaps unfairly, McDermott might be considered one, but generally speaking they have all failed at their clubs and have been let go. Unless we go for someone out of left field we will end up with a guy that lost his job somewhere, very few resign, so your preferences might well be satisfied, but should they not be, I doubt that we will be any better or worse off. My prefered choice is Hughton, but he got fired, but my hope is, whoever we get, we don't start to pick his history apart and write him off before a ball is even kicked.[/p][/quote]You say my view isn't factual, and is only my opinion, Albion in Staffs. Facts are the only thing I have written, - and that is why it is my opinion. Also there might be one or two Mourinhos out there, but why should we be the club who takes all the risks trying to find them? Gus was already with us when we arrived in the Championship, having just won the 1st Division Title. Ex-pat Arnie is entitled to his opinion, just as I am entitled to point out the facts to him. You rightly point out that candidates with the relevant experience have been fired somewhere along the line, Vegas, but in Hughton's case , that was from a Premier League Club. His record in the Championship is excellent, and that is what we need him for, not to get us into the Champions' League. McDermott left by mutual consent, and I don't think it is fair to take this season into account, considering the turmoil at Leeds. 'Left of field' appointments have no experience of what is required to get out of the Division. I assume, that like me, your reasons for favouring Hughton are based on his record in the Championship? gordongull
  • Score: 0

8:31pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark I am not so sure that your math works for us. You kind of identify where a budget of 10M might come from but apart from Bridcutt, would we not have to buy simillar quality of players that have left in order to stay inside of your 10M figure? Vicente, 15K a week, didn't he leave before our previous season started?

The money you identify from sales and wage savings might be right, apart from Vicente, but as I say, would that not mean that we only have a budget to buy like for like palyers. A promotion squad surely has to be of a quality above what we had, and likely to cost more to put together, or am I missing soemthing?
Who has joined since Gus left? Last season TB announced we would increase the budget from the previous year, unless I have missed somebody I can't see where that has gone?
I have allowed wages in savings from players not replaced,, plus sale figures,
I am not talking about increasing the budget , but keeping it where it was 12 months ago, add the 5% increase in seat costs.
ok now I get it, thanks. Well stumping up 10M might be doable but for me that isn't enough for us to challenge for the top in a single season, not with the amount of shirts that need filling. Add to that I am not convinced all those we have retained are going to start this season, not if we want a top two finish.

Greer, good captain but as said so many times last season, he is a yard slow. Buckley is filling a shirt right now but will he stay and even if he does, can we rely on his fitness next season. Is Dunk a starter or back up.

Even if we had taken a more attacking approach last season, fact is our squad wasn't good enough, maybe because so many were injured and maybe not, but we were not top two material. We need better for a challenge this year, and better costs money. If we are to go for it in one season Mark, as good as the 10M looks, I think we will need more. Do we need to sell Ulloa, a step backwards to maybe help us go forward?
I agree 10 million is what compared to the clubs with parachute money!
But we have released or sold a lot of players, and as you say GG , Dunk , caldi and chickson are not going to get us in the top 10 if I am honest.

But if we fall along way short and we stumble into mid table , will we end up with smaller gates next season, we can't assume people are going to stump up hard cash every year without being entertained.. Some of the football was truly boring rubbish this season, it's got to step up..
Ulloa I think is off , Buckley and one or two others will be asking where is our ambition!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark I am not so sure that your math works for us. You kind of identify where a budget of 10M might come from but apart from Bridcutt, would we not have to buy simillar quality of players that have left in order to stay inside of your 10M figure? Vicente, 15K a week, didn't he leave before our previous season started? The money you identify from sales and wage savings might be right, apart from Vicente, but as I say, would that not mean that we only have a budget to buy like for like palyers. A promotion squad surely has to be of a quality above what we had, and likely to cost more to put together, or am I missing soemthing?[/p][/quote]Who has joined since Gus left? Last season TB announced we would increase the budget from the previous year, unless I have missed somebody I can't see where that has gone? I have allowed wages in savings from players not replaced,, plus sale figures, I am not talking about increasing the budget , but keeping it where it was 12 months ago, add the 5% increase in seat costs.[/p][/quote]ok now I get it, thanks. Well stumping up 10M might be doable but for me that isn't enough for us to challenge for the top in a single season, not with the amount of shirts that need filling. Add to that I am not convinced all those we have retained are going to start this season, not if we want a top two finish. Greer, good captain but as said so many times last season, he is a yard slow. Buckley is filling a shirt right now but will he stay and even if he does, can we rely on his fitness next season. Is Dunk a starter or back up. Even if we had taken a more attacking approach last season, fact is our squad wasn't good enough, maybe because so many were injured and maybe not, but we were not top two material. We need better for a challenge this year, and better costs money. If we are to go for it in one season Mark, as good as the 10M looks, I think we will need more. Do we need to sell Ulloa, a step backwards to maybe help us go forward?[/p][/quote]I agree 10 million is what compared to the clubs with parachute money! But we have released or sold a lot of players, and as you say GG , Dunk , caldi and chickson are not going to get us in the top 10 if I am honest. But if we fall along way short and we stumble into mid table , will we end up with smaller gates next season, we can't assume people are going to stump up hard cash every year without being entertained.. Some of the football was truly boring rubbish this season, it's got to step up.. Ulloa I think is off , Buckley and one or two others will be asking where is our ambition! mark by the sea
  • Score: 4

9:00pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

fairweathersupporter wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
SeagullJay wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
So the Steve Clarke article was pointless then. Hyypia another relative unknown and difficult to judge how he'd do at Albion, a bit of an underwhelming name tbh. We could do worse, however I also think we could do a lot better, and ensure a manager with championship promotion credentials, Mackay or Hughton would be the better choices really.
In fairness - att the time article was written - Steve Clarke was favourite with 'the bookies'
That has now changed
Just as Sherwood has been favorite and Hughton - betting odds change
Is not the fault of Argus

just my opinion
This is becoming the biggest wild goose chase in the history of, well, wild geese, yes it's not the argus fault but it's getting ridiculous.
Of course it's ridiculous, Barbour is Mr Spin, Mr Bulls***,and I'm afraid TB is falling for it, it's sad that the reason we are in this position is, Barber and Burke are being bullies, and making it difficult for a decent manager/ Coach to want to stay at the club, ask yourself what have they achieved in football terms, try looking them up on google it's not impressive, pay the money and get a good manager in and get rid of these expensive underachieving Monkeys. Google Barber on the old Seattle forums it's the same story, the richest team in the league not performing on the pitch.
Using your analogy; the head bully is Bloom. If you think he's falling for anything, then i believe you are misguided. They are his men. His eyes, his ears. I would not personally replace Bloom. Would you?
Let's give the conspiracies a rest for a while and see what the next few weeks/months bring.
All good managers can make mistakes, TB is a victim of a very clever trickster in Barbour it took Seattle three years to Suss him and just as the axe was being raised in readiness, He jumped into TB's lap, but I am sure he will be found out for what he is and will move on to NCP although his previous in car parks is non to clever either.
[quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeagullJay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: So the Steve Clarke article was pointless then. Hyypia another relative unknown and difficult to judge how he'd do at Albion, a bit of an underwhelming name tbh. We could do worse, however I also think we could do a lot better, and ensure a manager with championship promotion credentials, Mackay or Hughton would be the better choices really.[/p][/quote]In fairness - att the time article was written - Steve Clarke was favourite with 'the bookies' That has now changed Just as Sherwood has been favorite and Hughton - betting odds change Is not the fault of Argus just my opinion[/p][/quote]This is becoming the biggest wild goose chase in the history of, well, wild geese, yes it's not the argus fault but it's getting ridiculous.[/p][/quote]Of course it's ridiculous, Barbour is Mr Spin, Mr Bulls***,and I'm afraid TB is falling for it, it's sad that the reason we are in this position is, Barber and Burke are being bullies, and making it difficult for a decent manager/ Coach to want to stay at the club, ask yourself what have they achieved in football terms, try looking them up on google it's not impressive, pay the money and get a good manager in and get rid of these expensive underachieving Monkeys. Google Barber on the old Seattle forums it's the same story, the richest team in the league not performing on the pitch.[/p][/quote]Using your analogy; the head bully is Bloom. If you think he's falling for anything, then i believe you are misguided. They are his men. His eyes, his ears. I would not personally replace Bloom. Would you? Let's give the conspiracies a rest for a while and see what the next few weeks/months bring.[/p][/quote]All good managers can make mistakes, TB is a victim of a very clever trickster in Barbour it took Seattle three years to Suss him and just as the axe was being raised in readiness, He jumped into TB's lap, but I am sure he will be found out for what he is and will move on to NCP although his previous in car parks is non to clever either. Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: 1

9:03pm Tue 3 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Mark you and I pretty much agree on what we think is needed for a real promotion challenge, perhaps the difference between is that I tend to think it will take more than one season to build the squad that can get us there.

We could buy a whole bunch of players in this window but come january, we might still need more. I don't think it's possible to suffer the injuries we did last year, and the young lads did their bit to keep us going, but if only up front, we must have more options, and front options cost money.

Unless we were to get lucky and pick up a couple of effective strikers for not too much money, we could be looking at spending 4M of the 10M on just two players. For a promotion run I would replace the whole back four, including our retained Bruno and Calde, what would that cost. Two keepers needed, one if we hold on to the young lad. Add a play maker to the midfield, and a cover play maker.
For me there are just too many quality players needed for a promotion run to be able to get them in a single season, we just don't have that kind of money. If we could get two thirds of those needed for a run for the top this season, and the other third next season, that would make more financial sense. Finish the clear out at the end of the coming season.
Mark you and I pretty much agree on what we think is needed for a real promotion challenge, perhaps the difference between is that I tend to think it will take more than one season to build the squad that can get us there. We could buy a whole bunch of players in this window but come january, we might still need more. I don't think it's possible to suffer the injuries we did last year, and the young lads did their bit to keep us going, but if only up front, we must have more options, and front options cost money. Unless we were to get lucky and pick up a couple of effective strikers for not too much money, we could be looking at spending 4M of the 10M on just two players. For a promotion run I would replace the whole back four, including our retained Bruno and Calde, what would that cost. Two keepers needed, one if we hold on to the young lad. Add a play maker to the midfield, and a cover play maker. For me there are just too many quality players needed for a promotion run to be able to get them in a single season, we just don't have that kind of money. If we could get two thirds of those needed for a run for the top this season, and the other third next season, that would make more financial sense. Finish the clear out at the end of the coming season. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

9:07pm Tue 3 Jun 14

ballantrrae says...

rolivan wrote:
As a matter of interest when was OG appointed last year was it less than 3 weeks after the Playoffs?
Rolivan, I think Oscar was appointed at the very end of June but I am sure someone can quote the precise date.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: As a matter of interest when was OG appointed last year was it less than 3 weeks after the Playoffs?[/p][/quote]Rolivan, I think Oscar was appointed at the very end of June but I am sure someone can quote the precise date. ballantrrae
  • Score: 1

9:08pm Tue 3 Jun 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark I am not so sure that your math works for us. You kind of identify where a budget of 10M might come from but apart from Bridcutt, would we not have to buy simillar quality of players that have left in order to stay inside of your 10M figure? Vicente, 15K a week, didn't he leave before our previous season started?

The money you identify from sales and wage savings might be right, apart from Vicente, but as I say, would that not mean that we only have a budget to buy like for like palyers. A promotion squad surely has to be of a quality above what we had, and likely to cost more to put together, or am I missing soemthing?
Who has joined since Gus left? Last season TB announced we would increase the budget from the previous year, unless I have missed somebody I can't see where that has gone?
I have allowed wages in savings from players not replaced,, plus sale figures,
I am not talking about increasing the budget , but keeping it where it was 12 months ago, add the 5% increase in seat costs.
ok now I get it, thanks. Well stumping up 10M might be doable but for me that isn't enough for us to challenge for the top in a single season, not with the amount of shirts that need filling. Add to that I am not convinced all those we have retained are going to start this season, not if we want a top two finish.

Greer, good captain but as said so many times last season, he is a yard slow. Buckley is filling a shirt right now but will he stay and even if he does, can we rely on his fitness next season. Is Dunk a starter or back up.

Even if we had taken a more attacking approach last season, fact is our squad wasn't good enough, maybe because so many were injured and maybe not, but we were not top two material. We need better for a challenge this year, and better costs money. If we are to go for it in one season Mark, as good as the 10M looks, I think we will need more. Do we need to sell Ulloa, a step backwards to maybe help us go forward?
We need to sped £10m to stand still, Vegas. That is the unpalatable truth.
If we are to comply with FFP, that would very likely mean the fee for Ulloa being a part of that.
We are not going to get a 'top-two' squad, which is why we need a top Manager to make the difference.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark I am not so sure that your math works for us. You kind of identify where a budget of 10M might come from but apart from Bridcutt, would we not have to buy simillar quality of players that have left in order to stay inside of your 10M figure? Vicente, 15K a week, didn't he leave before our previous season started? The money you identify from sales and wage savings might be right, apart from Vicente, but as I say, would that not mean that we only have a budget to buy like for like palyers. A promotion squad surely has to be of a quality above what we had, and likely to cost more to put together, or am I missing soemthing?[/p][/quote]Who has joined since Gus left? Last season TB announced we would increase the budget from the previous year, unless I have missed somebody I can't see where that has gone? I have allowed wages in savings from players not replaced,, plus sale figures, I am not talking about increasing the budget , but keeping it where it was 12 months ago, add the 5% increase in seat costs.[/p][/quote]ok now I get it, thanks. Well stumping up 10M might be doable but for me that isn't enough for us to challenge for the top in a single season, not with the amount of shirts that need filling. Add to that I am not convinced all those we have retained are going to start this season, not if we want a top two finish. Greer, good captain but as said so many times last season, he is a yard slow. Buckley is filling a shirt right now but will he stay and even if he does, can we rely on his fitness next season. Is Dunk a starter or back up. Even if we had taken a more attacking approach last season, fact is our squad wasn't good enough, maybe because so many were injured and maybe not, but we were not top two material. We need better for a challenge this year, and better costs money. If we are to go for it in one season Mark, as good as the 10M looks, I think we will need more. Do we need to sell Ulloa, a step backwards to maybe help us go forward?[/p][/quote]We need to sped £10m to stand still, Vegas. That is the unpalatable truth. If we are to comply with FFP, that would very likely mean the fee for Ulloa being a part of that. We are not going to get a 'top-two' squad, which is why we need a top Manager to make the difference. gordongull
  • Score: 1

9:13pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark you and I pretty much agree on what we think is needed for a real promotion challenge, perhaps the difference between is that I tend to think it will take more than one season to build the squad that can get us there.

We could buy a whole bunch of players in this window but come january, we might still need more. I don't think it's possible to suffer the injuries we did last year, and the young lads did their bit to keep us going, but if only up front, we must have more options, and front options cost money.

Unless we were to get lucky and pick up a couple of effective strikers for not too much money, we could be looking at spending 4M of the 10M on just two players. For a promotion run I would replace the whole back four, including our retained Bruno and Calde, what would that cost. Two keepers needed, one if we hold on to the young lad. Add a play maker to the midfield, and a cover play maker.
For me there are just too many quality players needed for a promotion run to be able to get them in a single season, we just don't have that kind of money. If we could get two thirds of those needed for a run for the top this season, and the other third next season, that would make more financial sense. Finish the clear out at the end of the coming season.
I disagree with you over injuries though, Buckley GG and lua lua are likely this season ... The younger guys March Ince had very good years, JFC has a massive year in my opinion , he has to perform and produce over 90 minutes.
What happens between now and August will bring either excitement or dissent in the fans eyes.. Whoever takes over needs support from Burke and Barber, TB needs to chat directly to the top man,
What worries me is jones joining Burke as player recruitment duo, leaving the manager out on a limb again.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark you and I pretty much agree on what we think is needed for a real promotion challenge, perhaps the difference between is that I tend to think it will take more than one season to build the squad that can get us there. We could buy a whole bunch of players in this window but come january, we might still need more. I don't think it's possible to suffer the injuries we did last year, and the young lads did their bit to keep us going, but if only up front, we must have more options, and front options cost money. Unless we were to get lucky and pick up a couple of effective strikers for not too much money, we could be looking at spending 4M of the 10M on just two players. For a promotion run I would replace the whole back four, including our retained Bruno and Calde, what would that cost. Two keepers needed, one if we hold on to the young lad. Add a play maker to the midfield, and a cover play maker. For me there are just too many quality players needed for a promotion run to be able to get them in a single season, we just don't have that kind of money. If we could get two thirds of those needed for a run for the top this season, and the other third next season, that would make more financial sense. Finish the clear out at the end of the coming season.[/p][/quote]I disagree with you over injuries though, Buckley GG and lua lua are likely this season ... The younger guys March Ince had very good years, JFC has a massive year in my opinion , he has to perform and produce over 90 minutes. What happens between now and August will bring either excitement or dissent in the fans eyes.. Whoever takes over needs support from Burke and Barber, TB needs to chat directly to the top man, What worries me is jones joining Burke as player recruitment duo, leaving the manager out on a limb again. mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

9:25pm Tue 3 Jun 14

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

What part of his hair do you think he dyes ? The blonde bit on top, or the dark bits at the sides. Very 1980s and very weird !

Anyway, very underwelmed if this turns out to be our man.
What part of his hair do you think he dyes ? The blonde bit on top, or the dark bits at the sides. Very 1980s and very weird ! Anyway, very underwelmed if this turns out to be our man. PressBoxTeaBoy
  • Score: -2

9:34pm Tue 3 Jun 14

hannover seagull says...

Maybe we are just trying to find the right guy this time round?

Takes time
UTA.................
.......
Maybe we are just trying to find the right guy this time round? Takes time UTA................. ....... hannover seagull
  • Score: 2

9:35pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Far gull says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
What part of his hair do you think he dyes ? The blonde bit on top, or the dark bits at the sides. Very 1980s and very weird !

Anyway, very underwelmed if this turns out to be our man.
Is it a weave or rug?
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: What part of his hair do you think he dyes ? The blonde bit on top, or the dark bits at the sides. Very 1980s and very weird ! Anyway, very underwelmed if this turns out to be our man.[/p][/quote]Is it a weave or rug? Far gull
  • Score: 1

9:37pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Seagull96 says...

Me Garcia was appointed on June 26th of last year for those above who were wondering.
Me Garcia was appointed on June 26th of last year for those above who were wondering. Seagull96
  • Score: 1

9:38pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

ballantrrae wrote:
rolivan wrote:
As a matter of interest when was OG appointed last year was it less than 3 weeks after the Playoffs?
Rolivan, I think Oscar was appointed at the very end of June but I am sure someone can quote the precise date.
No comparison if your point is we waited so long last season to replace GP, so we can do the same now! the reason we had to wait so long last season was because of the disciplinary issues, and that was to long to prepare for the season ahead and proved to be so, we need a new manager with a vision that is going to ultimately gain promotion, I think he needs to be in place ASAP he needs to bring in players that he can work with and give Burks a short list of bargain basement players. So we are to be ready for the new season.
Furthermore Barbour is a servant in the club he has made a couple of bullsh*** statements thus far I am sure he could have been more reassuring to ether fans by making more informative statements without giving the game away too much, or is it as many on here have said already we have to wait for those available to sort out their preferences, before we finally get the one no one else wants! Let's hope not .
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: As a matter of interest when was OG appointed last year was it less than 3 weeks after the Playoffs?[/p][/quote]Rolivan, I think Oscar was appointed at the very end of June but I am sure someone can quote the precise date.[/p][/quote]No comparison if your point is we waited so long last season to replace GP, so we can do the same now! the reason we had to wait so long last season was because of the disciplinary issues, and that was to long to prepare for the season ahead and proved to be so, we need a new manager with a vision that is going to ultimately gain promotion, I think he needs to be in place ASAP he needs to bring in players that he can work with and give Burks a short list of bargain basement players. So we are to be ready for the new season. Furthermore Barbour is a servant in the club he has made a couple of bullsh*** statements thus far I am sure he could have been more reassuring to ether fans by making more informative statements without giving the game away too much, or is it as many on here have said already we have to wait for those available to sort out their preferences, before we finally get the one no one else wants! Let's hope not . Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: 0

9:42pm Tue 3 Jun 14

gordongull says...

There seem to be a lot of clueless owners around at the moment.
What are the chances of offloading Agustien this window?
We could probably pay two decent Championship players out of his wages.
There seem to be a lot of clueless owners around at the moment. What are the chances of offloading Agustien this window? We could probably pay two decent Championship players out of his wages. gordongull
  • Score: 5

9:43pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

daveyboy35 wrote:
Joel'sGrandad wrote:
The Dream Ticket would be Frank Lampard as player/manager but time is not on our side because he won't commit to anything till after the World Cup. Let's hope England bomb out early then!. UTA
Idiot
I have said and done idiotic things in my time so you are quite right.
Are you commenting on the Frank Lampard bit or the England bit? Whilst Frank Lampard could be a goer it won't happen because he will go to New York to add to his millions or join Uncle Harry at QPR to add to their FFP woes. It was clearly a leg pull and therefore it was quite likely the England part was as well. I often say things on hear with tongue in cheek to raise a few eyebrows. And I certainly raised yours. UTA
[quote][p][bold]daveyboy35[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: The Dream Ticket would be Frank Lampard as player/manager but time is not on our side because he won't commit to anything till after the World Cup. Let's hope England bomb out early then!. UTA[/p][/quote]Idiot[/p][/quote]I have said and done idiotic things in my time so you are quite right. Are you commenting on the Frank Lampard bit or the England bit? Whilst Frank Lampard could be a goer it won't happen because he will go to New York to add to his millions or join Uncle Harry at QPR to add to their FFP woes. It was clearly a leg pull and therefore it was quite likely the England part was as well. I often say things on hear with tongue in cheek to raise a few eyebrows. And I certainly raised yours. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 3

9:44pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Far gull says...

ballantrrae wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
jimbo1234 wrote:
Guess what. I really don't give a dam anymore. I have supported Albion for 65 years and the only certainty about the new manager/coach appointment is this. His salary will probably be non negotiable, his role will be to train the team with an imput only with regard to team selection. His masters will be the Director of Football, the Chief Executive Officer ad Tony Bloom. He will find it hard to carry out his job description. It was clear to me that Oscar Garcia was no Gus Poyet, indeed he was very much under qualified to be Albion's Manager/Coach. It was the determination of the players that resulted in the team reaching the play offs, not Garcia. He had no commitment to Albion. He is now back in Israel with his former club according to the Argus. I think this is where his ability and commitment is best suited Sorry to mention the word money but football is primarily a business..
Excellent post and you understand the situation exactly, especially about Garcia. A lot of people working at the Club, that I talk to often, thought he was useless and so did I. T.B. did eventually realise but he admits privately it was a mistake to employ him.
Amazes me that others cannot and could not see it but I suppose most of the posters on here don't live around Brighton so they don't really know what is happening and rely on the few articles that the Argus post on this site. Remember, folks, there are many other columns and articles that don't get posted. This is not the whole newspaper...that's why it's free!
Two interesting posts.
Good posts guys. I for what it's worth thought that OG as good a man as he came across, tactically he was good enough during the games (all) that i saw at home and my fellow season ticket holders felt the same.
So may be TB agreed.
New guy must be near being announced soon .
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbo1234[/bold] wrote: Guess what. I really don't give a dam anymore. I have supported Albion for 65 years and the only certainty about the new manager/coach appointment is this. His salary will probably be non negotiable, his role will be to train the team with an imput only with regard to team selection. His masters will be the Director of Football, the Chief Executive Officer ad Tony Bloom. He will find it hard to carry out his job description. It was clear to me that Oscar Garcia was no Gus Poyet, indeed he was very much under qualified to be Albion's Manager/Coach. It was the determination of the players that resulted in the team reaching the play offs, not Garcia. He had no commitment to Albion. He is now back in Israel with his former club according to the Argus. I think this is where his ability and commitment is best suited Sorry to mention the word money but football is primarily a business..[/p][/quote]Excellent post and you understand the situation exactly, especially about Garcia. A lot of people working at the Club, that I talk to often, thought he was useless and so did I. T.B. did eventually realise but he admits privately it was a mistake to employ him. Amazes me that others cannot and could not see it but I suppose most of the posters on here don't live around Brighton so they don't really know what is happening and rely on the few articles that the Argus post on this site. Remember, folks, there are many other columns and articles that don't get posted. This is not the whole newspaper...that's why it's free![/p][/quote]Two interesting posts.[/p][/quote]Good posts guys. I for what it's worth thought that OG as good a man as he came across, tactically he was good enough during the games (all) that i saw at home and my fellow season ticket holders felt the same. So may be TB agreed. New guy must be near being announced soon . Far gull
  • Score: 1

9:45pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Far gull says...

Far gull wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
jimbo1234 wrote:
Guess what. I really don't give a dam anymore. I have supported Albion for 65 years and the only certainty about the new manager/coach appointment is this. His salary will probably be non negotiable, his role will be to train the team with an imput only with regard to team selection. His masters will be the Director of Football, the Chief Executive Officer ad Tony Bloom. He will find it hard to carry out his job description. It was clear to me that Oscar Garcia was no Gus Poyet, indeed he was very much under qualified to be Albion's Manager/Coach. It was the determination of the players that resulted in the team reaching the play offs, not Garcia. He had no commitment to Albion. He is now back in Israel with his former club according to the Argus. I think this is where his ability and commitment is best suited Sorry to mention the word money but football is primarily a business..
Excellent post and you understand the situation exactly, especially about Garcia. A lot of people working at the Club, that I talk to often, thought he was useless and so did I. T.B. did eventually realise but he admits privately it was a mistake to employ him.
Amazes me that others cannot and could not see it but I suppose most of the posters on here don't live around Brighton so they don't really know what is happening and rely on the few articles that the Argus post on this site. Remember, folks, there are many other columns and articles that don't get posted. This is not the whole newspaper...that's why it's free!
Two interesting posts.
Good posts guys. I for what it's worth thought that OG as good a man as he came across, tactically he was good enough during the games (all) that i saw at home and my fellow season ticket holders felt the same.
So may be TB agreed.
New guy must be near being announced soon .
Should read not good enough
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbo1234[/bold] wrote: Guess what. I really don't give a dam anymore. I have supported Albion for 65 years and the only certainty about the new manager/coach appointment is this. His salary will probably be non negotiable, his role will be to train the team with an imput only with regard to team selection. His masters will be the Director of Football, the Chief Executive Officer ad Tony Bloom. He will find it hard to carry out his job description. It was clear to me that Oscar Garcia was no Gus Poyet, indeed he was very much under qualified to be Albion's Manager/Coach. It was the determination of the players that resulted in the team reaching the play offs, not Garcia. He had no commitment to Albion. He is now back in Israel with his former club according to the Argus. I think this is where his ability and commitment is best suited Sorry to mention the word money but football is primarily a business..[/p][/quote]Excellent post and you understand the situation exactly, especially about Garcia. A lot of people working at the Club, that I talk to often, thought he was useless and so did I. T.B. did eventually realise but he admits privately it was a mistake to employ him. Amazes me that others cannot and could not see it but I suppose most of the posters on here don't live around Brighton so they don't really know what is happening and rely on the few articles that the Argus post on this site. Remember, folks, there are many other columns and articles that don't get posted. This is not the whole newspaper...that's why it's free![/p][/quote]Two interesting posts.[/p][/quote]Good posts guys. I for what it's worth thought that OG as good a man as he came across, tactically he was good enough during the games (all) that i saw at home and my fellow season ticket holders felt the same. So may be TB agreed. New guy must be near being announced soon .[/p][/quote]Should read not good enough Far gull
  • Score: 1

9:53pm Tue 3 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
daveyboy35 wrote:
Joel'sGrandad wrote:
The Dream Ticket would be Frank Lampard as player/manager but time is not on our side because he won't commit to anything till after the World Cup. Let's hope England bomb out early then!. UTA
Idiot
I have said and done idiotic things in my time so you are quite right.
Are you commenting on the Frank Lampard bit or the England bit? Whilst Frank Lampard could be a goer it won't happen because he will go to New York to add to his millions or join Uncle Harry at QPR to add to their FFP woes. It was clearly a leg pull and therefore it was quite likely the England part was as well. I often say things on hear with tongue in cheek to raise a few eyebrows. And I certainly raised yours. UTA
Are you saying you occasionally go out of the way to be controversial, Joel'sGrandad?
I would never do that.
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]daveyboy35[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: The Dream Ticket would be Frank Lampard as player/manager but time is not on our side because he won't commit to anything till after the World Cup. Let's hope England bomb out early then!. UTA[/p][/quote]Idiot[/p][/quote]I have said and done idiotic things in my time so you are quite right. Are you commenting on the Frank Lampard bit or the England bit? Whilst Frank Lampard could be a goer it won't happen because he will go to New York to add to his millions or join Uncle Harry at QPR to add to their FFP woes. It was clearly a leg pull and therefore it was quite likely the England part was as well. I often say things on hear with tongue in cheek to raise a few eyebrows. And I certainly raised yours. UTA[/p][/quote]Are you saying you occasionally go out of the way to be controversial, Joel'sGrandad? I would never do that. gordongull
  • Score: -1

9:57pm Tue 3 Jun 14

rolivan says...

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
rolivan wrote:
As a matter of interest when was OG appointed last year was it less than 3 weeks after the Playoffs?
Rolivan, I think Oscar was appointed at the very end of June but I am sure someone can quote the precise date.
No comparison if your point is we waited so long last season to replace GP, so we can do the same now! the reason we had to wait so long last season was because of the disciplinary issues, and that was to long to prepare for the season ahead and proved to be so, we need a new manager with a vision that is going to ultimately gain promotion, I think he needs to be in place ASAP he needs to bring in players that he can work with and give Burks a short list of bargain basement players. So we are to be ready for the new season.
Furthermore Barbour is a servant in the club he has made a couple of bullsh*** statements thus far I am sure he could have been more reassuring to ether fans by making more informative statements without giving the game away too much, or is it as many on here have said already we have to wait for those available to sort out their preferences, before we finally get the one no one else wants! Let's hope not .
I wasn't making a comparison but making a point that a lot can happen in a month in the wonderful world of football . I am sure that TB isn't where he is without having a worst case scenario in place . whatever happens the real fans will still support the Club I being one of them.
[quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: As a matter of interest when was OG appointed last year was it less than 3 weeks after the Playoffs?[/p][/quote]Rolivan, I think Oscar was appointed at the very end of June but I am sure someone can quote the precise date.[/p][/quote]No comparison if your point is we waited so long last season to replace GP, so we can do the same now! the reason we had to wait so long last season was because of the disciplinary issues, and that was to long to prepare for the season ahead and proved to be so, we need a new manager with a vision that is going to ultimately gain promotion, I think he needs to be in place ASAP he needs to bring in players that he can work with and give Burks a short list of bargain basement players. So we are to be ready for the new season. Furthermore Barbour is a servant in the club he has made a couple of bullsh*** statements thus far I am sure he could have been more reassuring to ether fans by making more informative statements without giving the game away too much, or is it as many on here have said already we have to wait for those available to sort out their preferences, before we finally get the one no one else wants! Let's hope not .[/p][/quote]I wasn't making a comparison but making a point that a lot can happen in a month in the wonderful world of football . I am sure that TB isn't where he is without having a worst case scenario in place . whatever happens the real fans will still support the Club I being one of them. rolivan
  • Score: 2

10:04pm Tue 3 Jun 14

gordongull says...

It could be worse.
We could be looking forward to another season of Oscarball.
It could be worse. We could be looking forward to another season of Oscarball. gordongull
  • Score: 0

10:17pm Tue 3 Jun 14

pte says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, your call for our new manager to be given enough funds to go for promotion, I assume you mean promotion this year, correct?

I am left wondering if you really mean it when you call for that level of funds to be made available in just one season. If I were to suggest that at this time we need around nine new players, would I be that far out? If we were to make the big challenge this season, do you think that those remaining in the squad today, are all of a standard to get us there, or would we have to think about replacing two or three of them too?

Mark what would be your idea of a suitable budget to see us go for it, this season?
A budget in line with the club having 24000 season tickets , who pay premiership money to watch pretty poor football if I am honest,
We need 12 players, most of those will want a two year deal....
Example who would have had Ward on there left back list 12 months ago?
Now realise he is on £600k a year,
If we go cheaper ? Exactly how much are we going to pay theses fill in players who I assume your saying won't get us out of this league?
FFP rules won't help clubs who don't recieve parachute payments, infact the gap between clubs with and without will get wider as FFP rules hit years three.
How exactly are we going to go forward paying second class players to entertain people paying first class prices?
I honestly think someone is assuming the 24000 are here to stay! And the fans will part with more cash to recieve poorer fair!
If your suggesting a different scenario I would love to hear it! But signing cheap is a expensive gamble if it fails.
People have short memories. When we were in the top flight we had the same gates as now. By the end, courtesy of boring football, gates dropped to 12k. Same thing can happen again, BHA don't have a God given automatic right to huge gates.

The likes of Barber can always move on to another club if the club goes into decline so they are not going to worry following orders.

The plan seems to be to lose the high earners and wait for the kids to come through, but by then gates will have fallen to 9k
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, your call for our new manager to be given enough funds to go for promotion, I assume you mean promotion this year, correct? I am left wondering if you really mean it when you call for that level of funds to be made available in just one season. If I were to suggest that at this time we need around nine new players, would I be that far out? If we were to make the big challenge this season, do you think that those remaining in the squad today, are all of a standard to get us there, or would we have to think about replacing two or three of them too? Mark what would be your idea of a suitable budget to see us go for it, this season?[/p][/quote]A budget in line with the club having 24000 season tickets , who pay premiership money to watch pretty poor football if I am honest, We need 12 players, most of those will want a two year deal.... Example who would have had Ward on there left back list 12 months ago? Now realise he is on £600k a year, If we go cheaper ? Exactly how much are we going to pay theses fill in players who I assume your saying won't get us out of this league? FFP rules won't help clubs who don't recieve parachute payments, infact the gap between clubs with and without will get wider as FFP rules hit years three. How exactly are we going to go forward paying second class players to entertain people paying first class prices? I honestly think someone is assuming the 24000 are here to stay! And the fans will part with more cash to recieve poorer fair! If your suggesting a different scenario I would love to hear it! But signing cheap is a expensive gamble if it fails.[/p][/quote]People have short memories. When we were in the top flight we had the same gates as now. By the end, courtesy of boring football, gates dropped to 12k. Same thing can happen again, BHA don't have a God given automatic right to huge gates. The likes of Barber can always move on to another club if the club goes into decline so they are not going to worry following orders. The plan seems to be to lose the high earners and wait for the kids to come through, but by then gates will have fallen to 9k pte
  • Score: -1

10:19pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

Far gull wrote:
Far gull wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
jimbo1234 wrote:
Guess what. I really don't give a dam anymore. I have supported Albion for 65 years and the only certainty about the new manager/coach appointment is this. His salary will probably be non negotiable, his role will be to train the team with an imput only with regard to team selection. His masters will be the Director of Football, the Chief Executive Officer ad Tony Bloom. He will find it hard to carry out his job description. It was clear to me that Oscar Garcia was no Gus Poyet, indeed he was very much under qualified to be Albion's Manager/Coach. It was the determination of the players that resulted in the team reaching the play offs, not Garcia. He had no commitment to Albion. He is now back in Israel with his former club according to the Argus. I think this is where his ability and commitment is best suited Sorry to mention the word money but football is primarily a business..
Excellent post and you understand the situation exactly, especially about Garcia. A lot of people working at the Club, that I talk to often, thought he was useless and so did I. T.B. did eventually realise but he admits privately it was a mistake to employ him.
Amazes me that others cannot and could not see it but I suppose most of the posters on here don't live around Brighton so they don't really know what is happening and rely on the few articles that the Argus post on this site. Remember, folks, there are many other columns and articles that don't get posted. This is not the whole newspaper...that's why it's free!
Two interesting posts.
Good posts guys. I for what it's worth thought that OG as good a man as he came across, tactically he was good enough during the games (all) that i saw at home and my fellow season ticket holders felt the same.
So may be TB agreed.
New guy must be near being announced soon .
Should read not good enough
I honestly thought our dead ball stuff is a good indicator of what goes on the training ground .. Our corners, free kicks were tepid, lacked any clear planning and was very poor.
The next thing is during the season they never improved? Where was the stat man commenting about that? Surely jones would have grabbed two or three and worked on things ? I don't think OG can take all the criticism .. Jones in no doubt well paid.. Sadly he is low level coaching standard, ie Yeovil
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimbo1234[/bold] wrote: Guess what. I really don't give a dam anymore. I have supported Albion for 65 years and the only certainty about the new manager/coach appointment is this. His salary will probably be non negotiable, his role will be to train the team with an imput only with regard to team selection. His masters will be the Director of Football, the Chief Executive Officer ad Tony Bloom. He will find it hard to carry out his job description. It was clear to me that Oscar Garcia was no Gus Poyet, indeed he was very much under qualified to be Albion's Manager/Coach. It was the determination of the players that resulted in the team reaching the play offs, not Garcia. He had no commitment to Albion. He is now back in Israel with his former club according to the Argus. I think this is where his ability and commitment is best suited Sorry to mention the word money but football is primarily a business..[/p][/quote]Excellent post and you understand the situation exactly, especially about Garcia. A lot of people working at the Club, that I talk to often, thought he was useless and so did I. T.B. did eventually realise but he admits privately it was a mistake to employ him. Amazes me that others cannot and could not see it but I suppose most of the posters on here don't live around Brighton so they don't really know what is happening and rely on the few articles that the Argus post on this site. Remember, folks, there are many other columns and articles that don't get posted. This is not the whole newspaper...that's why it's free![/p][/quote]Two interesting posts.[/p][/quote]Good posts guys. I for what it's worth thought that OG as good a man as he came across, tactically he was good enough during the games (all) that i saw at home and my fellow season ticket holders felt the same. So may be TB agreed. New guy must be near being announced soon .[/p][/quote]Should read not good enough[/p][/quote]I honestly thought our dead ball stuff is a good indicator of what goes on the training ground .. Our corners, free kicks were tepid, lacked any clear planning and was very poor. The next thing is during the season they never improved? Where was the stat man commenting about that? Surely jones would have grabbed two or three and worked on things ? I don't think OG can take all the criticism .. Jones in no doubt well paid.. Sadly he is low level coaching standard, ie Yeovil mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

10:24pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, your call for our new manager to be given enough funds to go for promotion, I assume you mean promotion this year, correct?

I am left wondering if you really mean it when you call for that level of funds to be made available in just one season. If I were to suggest that at this time we need around nine new players, would I be that far out? If we were to make the big challenge this season, do you think that those remaining in the squad today, are all of a standard to get us there, or would we have to think about replacing two or three of them too?

Mark what would be your idea of a suitable budget to see us go for it, this season?
A budget in line with the club having 24000 season tickets , who pay premiership money to watch pretty poor football if I am honest,
We need 12 players, most of those will want a two year deal....
Example who would have had Ward on there left back list 12 months ago?
Now realise he is on £600k a year,
If we go cheaper ? Exactly how much are we going to pay theses fill in players who I assume your saying won't get us out of this league?
FFP rules won't help clubs who don't recieve parachute payments, infact the gap between clubs with and without will get wider as FFP rules hit years three.
How exactly are we going to go forward paying second class players to entertain people paying first class prices?
I honestly think someone is assuming the 24000 are here to stay! And the fans will part with more cash to recieve poorer fair!
If your suggesting a different scenario I would love to hear it! But signing cheap is a expensive gamble if it fails.
People have short memories. When we were in the top flight we had the same gates as now. By the end, courtesy of boring football, gates dropped to 12k. Same thing can happen again, BHA don't have a God given automatic right to huge gates.

The likes of Barber can always move on to another club if the club goes into decline so they are not going to worry following orders.

The plan seems to be to lose the high earners and wait for the kids to come through, but by then gates will have fallen to 9k
We have found 15000 fans, these are new , enjoying promotion chase and the excitement of the new experience, I said it before , we will lose some, the experience will lower with less noise and we will then be not only trying to get a side capable of winning, but trying to bring back those who had enough 0-0 games.
The club is being run as a business , that's fair enough, if the product is not good , people won't buy ! Simple
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, your call for our new manager to be given enough funds to go for promotion, I assume you mean promotion this year, correct? I am left wondering if you really mean it when you call for that level of funds to be made available in just one season. If I were to suggest that at this time we need around nine new players, would I be that far out? If we were to make the big challenge this season, do you think that those remaining in the squad today, are all of a standard to get us there, or would we have to think about replacing two or three of them too? Mark what would be your idea of a suitable budget to see us go for it, this season?[/p][/quote]A budget in line with the club having 24000 season tickets , who pay premiership money to watch pretty poor football if I am honest, We need 12 players, most of those will want a two year deal.... Example who would have had Ward on there left back list 12 months ago? Now realise he is on £600k a year, If we go cheaper ? Exactly how much are we going to pay theses fill in players who I assume your saying won't get us out of this league? FFP rules won't help clubs who don't recieve parachute payments, infact the gap between clubs with and without will get wider as FFP rules hit years three. How exactly are we going to go forward paying second class players to entertain people paying first class prices? I honestly think someone is assuming the 24000 are here to stay! And the fans will part with more cash to recieve poorer fair! If your suggesting a different scenario I would love to hear it! But signing cheap is a expensive gamble if it fails.[/p][/quote]People have short memories. When we were in the top flight we had the same gates as now. By the end, courtesy of boring football, gates dropped to 12k. Same thing can happen again, BHA don't have a God given automatic right to huge gates. The likes of Barber can always move on to another club if the club goes into decline so they are not going to worry following orders. The plan seems to be to lose the high earners and wait for the kids to come through, but by then gates will have fallen to 9k[/p][/quote]We have found 15000 fans, these are new , enjoying promotion chase and the excitement of the new experience, I said it before , we will lose some, the experience will lower with less noise and we will then be not only trying to get a side capable of winning, but trying to bring back those who had enough 0-0 games. The club is being run as a business , that's fair enough, if the product is not good , people won't buy ! Simple mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

10:31pm Tue 3 Jun 14

pte says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, your call for our new manager to be given enough funds to go for promotion, I assume you mean promotion this year, correct?

I am left wondering if you really mean it when you call for that level of funds to be made available in just one season. If I were to suggest that at this time we need around nine new players, would I be that far out? If we were to make the big challenge this season, do you think that those remaining in the squad today, are all of a standard to get us there, or would we have to think about replacing two or three of them too?

Mark what would be your idea of a suitable budget to see us go for it, this season?
A budget in line with the club having 24000 season tickets , who pay premiership money to watch pretty poor football if I am honest,
We need 12 players, most of those will want a two year deal....
Example who would have had Ward on there left back list 12 months ago?
Now realise he is on £600k a year,
If we go cheaper ? Exactly how much are we going to pay theses fill in players who I assume your saying won't get us out of this league?
FFP rules won't help clubs who don't recieve parachute payments, infact the gap between clubs with and without will get wider as FFP rules hit years three.
How exactly are we going to go forward paying second class players to entertain people paying first class prices?
I honestly think someone is assuming the 24000 are here to stay! And the fans will part with more cash to recieve poorer fair!
If your suggesting a different scenario I would love to hear it! But signing cheap is a expensive gamble if it fails.
and so your budget figure is???
10 million for wages and purchases.
12 players on average of 12k a week = 7 million a year.
Fees 1.2 million ( movement and agent fees)
4 x 500k to buy quality players under 25 years
The average Championship salary is I think 5k but given our gates I don't think 10m unreasonable or outside of FFP.

Why can't we afford a playing budget of 10m when TV money contributes 5m and gate receipts are 20m plus merchandising, catering and sponsorship. The rule of thumb is that player wages should be no more than two thirds of total income. That means we should be able to have a playing budget of 20m
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, your call for our new manager to be given enough funds to go for promotion, I assume you mean promotion this year, correct? I am left wondering if you really mean it when you call for that level of funds to be made available in just one season. If I were to suggest that at this time we need around nine new players, would I be that far out? If we were to make the big challenge this season, do you think that those remaining in the squad today, are all of a standard to get us there, or would we have to think about replacing two or three of them too? Mark what would be your idea of a suitable budget to see us go for it, this season?[/p][/quote]A budget in line with the club having 24000 season tickets , who pay premiership money to watch pretty poor football if I am honest, We need 12 players, most of those will want a two year deal.... Example who would have had Ward on there left back list 12 months ago? Now realise he is on £600k a year, If we go cheaper ? Exactly how much are we going to pay theses fill in players who I assume your saying won't get us out of this league? FFP rules won't help clubs who don't recieve parachute payments, infact the gap between clubs with and without will get wider as FFP rules hit years three. How exactly are we going to go forward paying second class players to entertain people paying first class prices? I honestly think someone is assuming the 24000 are here to stay! And the fans will part with more cash to recieve poorer fair! If your suggesting a different scenario I would love to hear it! But signing cheap is a expensive gamble if it fails.[/p][/quote]and so your budget figure is???[/p][/quote]10 million for wages and purchases. 12 players on average of 12k a week = 7 million a year. Fees 1.2 million ( movement and agent fees) 4 x 500k to buy quality players under 25 years[/p][/quote]The average Championship salary is I think 5k but given our gates I don't think 10m unreasonable or outside of FFP. Why can't we afford a playing budget of 10m when TV money contributes 5m and gate receipts are 20m plus merchandising, catering and sponsorship. The rule of thumb is that player wages should be no more than two thirds of total income. That means we should be able to have a playing budget of 20m pte
  • Score: 0

10:40pm Tue 3 Jun 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

gordongull wrote:
It could be worse.
We could be looking forward to another season of Oscarball.
Was a funny old season under Oscar, some games we played top teams off the park, other games were as exciting as a wet weekend in Bognor, possibly due to Oscar not being happy. Whoever comes in, let's hope that they entertain us with an exciting brand of football.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: It could be worse. We could be looking forward to another season of Oscarball.[/p][/quote]Was a funny old season under Oscar, some games we played top teams off the park, other games were as exciting as a wet weekend in Bognor, possibly due to Oscar not being happy. Whoever comes in, let's hope that they entertain us with an exciting brand of football. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 3

10:42pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, your call for our new manager to be given enough funds to go for promotion, I assume you mean promotion this year, correct?

I am left wondering if you really mean it when you call for that level of funds to be made available in just one season. If I were to suggest that at this time we need around nine new players, would I be that far out? If we were to make the big challenge this season, do you think that those remaining in the squad today, are all of a standard to get us there, or would we have to think about replacing two or three of them too?

Mark what would be your idea of a suitable budget to see us go for it, this season?
A budget in line with the club having 24000 season tickets , who pay premiership money to watch pretty poor football if I am honest,
We need 12 players, most of those will want a two year deal....
Example who would have had Ward on there left back list 12 months ago?
Now realise he is on £600k a year,
If we go cheaper ? Exactly how much are we going to pay theses fill in players who I assume your saying won't get us out of this league?
FFP rules won't help clubs who don't recieve parachute payments, infact the gap between clubs with and without will get wider as FFP rules hit years three.
How exactly are we going to go forward paying second class players to entertain people paying first class prices?
I honestly think someone is assuming the 24000 are here to stay! And the fans will part with more cash to recieve poorer fair!
If your suggesting a different scenario I would love to hear it! But signing cheap is a expensive gamble if it fails.
and so your budget figure is???
10 million for wages and purchases.
12 players on average of 12k a week = 7 million a year.
Fees 1.2 million ( movement and agent fees)
4 x 500k to buy quality players under 25 years
The average Championship salary is I think 5k but given our gates I don't think 10m unreasonable or outside of FFP.

Why can't we afford a playing budget of 10m when TV money contributes 5m and gate receipts are 20m plus merchandising, catering and sponsorship. The rule of thumb is that player wages should be no more than two thirds of total income. That means we should be able to have a playing budget of 20m
Average salary at the Albion =
CMS 17k a wk
Barnes was on about 6.5 k a week .
The likes of Dunk JFC are probably on the 3-4 k a week
I was surprised whitehawk pay one 1500 a week , and others around the 1000 a week .
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, your call for our new manager to be given enough funds to go for promotion, I assume you mean promotion this year, correct? I am left wondering if you really mean it when you call for that level of funds to be made available in just one season. If I were to suggest that at this time we need around nine new players, would I be that far out? If we were to make the big challenge this season, do you think that those remaining in the squad today, are all of a standard to get us there, or would we have to think about replacing two or three of them too? Mark what would be your idea of a suitable budget to see us go for it, this season?[/p][/quote]A budget in line with the club having 24000 season tickets , who pay premiership money to watch pretty poor football if I am honest, We need 12 players, most of those will want a two year deal.... Example who would have had Ward on there left back list 12 months ago? Now realise he is on £600k a year, If we go cheaper ? Exactly how much are we going to pay theses fill in players who I assume your saying won't get us out of this league? FFP rules won't help clubs who don't recieve parachute payments, infact the gap between clubs with and without will get wider as FFP rules hit years three. How exactly are we going to go forward paying second class players to entertain people paying first class prices? I honestly think someone is assuming the 24000 are here to stay! And the fans will part with more cash to recieve poorer fair! If your suggesting a different scenario I would love to hear it! But signing cheap is a expensive gamble if it fails.[/p][/quote]and so your budget figure is???[/p][/quote]10 million for wages and purchases. 12 players on average of 12k a week = 7 million a year. Fees 1.2 million ( movement and agent fees) 4 x 500k to buy quality players under 25 years[/p][/quote]The average Championship salary is I think 5k but given our gates I don't think 10m unreasonable or outside of FFP. Why can't we afford a playing budget of 10m when TV money contributes 5m and gate receipts are 20m plus merchandising, catering and sponsorship. The rule of thumb is that player wages should be no more than two thirds of total income. That means we should be able to have a playing budget of 20m[/p][/quote]Average salary at the Albion = CMS 17k a wk Barnes was on about 6.5 k a week . The likes of Dunk JFC are probably on the 3-4 k a week I was surprised whitehawk pay one 1500 a week , and others around the 1000 a week . mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

10:50pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Conelli98 says...

Who is Fred Hantz?
Who is Fred Hantz? Conelli98
  • Score: 3

11:01pm Tue 3 Jun 14

jarbstokes says...

Lot of negative comments about Sami Hyypia but he was sacked when Bayer Leverkusen were 3rd in the Bundesliga, which is a lot stronger than the Championship and better technically than the PL. He will also still have good contacts with Liverpool (where he was well liked and respected) and should be able to get some decent players on loan.

Regarding Championship experience, Poyet had no experience until promoted and Oscar had none. Both achieved top six finishes.
Lot of negative comments about Sami Hyypia but he was sacked when Bayer Leverkusen were 3rd in the Bundesliga, which is a lot stronger than the Championship and better technically than the PL. He will also still have good contacts with Liverpool (where he was well liked and respected) and should be able to get some decent players on loan. Regarding Championship experience, Poyet had no experience until promoted and Oscar had none. Both achieved top six finishes. jarbstokes
  • Score: 2

11:03pm Tue 3 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Is Tony Bloom looking for a Manager who will play a certain style of football? Does anyone remember at what point there was talk of a Club philosophy where the same system would be in operation at all levels, to enable continuity from the Academy right through to the first team.?
What happens if, for example, Chris Hughton is interviewed, and tells Mr. Bloom to forget possession football. The only way he can get us promoted is by playing direct counter-attacking 442. Does that rule him out?
Could the style of play that is required be another issue that candidates for the job will have to contend with?
Is Tony Bloom looking for a Manager who will play a certain style of football? Does anyone remember at what point there was talk of a Club philosophy where the same system would be in operation at all levels, to enable continuity from the Academy right through to the first team.? What happens if, for example, Chris Hughton is interviewed, and tells Mr. Bloom to forget possession football. The only way he can get us promoted is by playing direct counter-attacking 442. Does that rule him out? Could the style of play that is required be another issue that candidates for the job will have to contend with? gordongull
  • Score: 1

11:08pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Withdean-er says...

mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, your call for our new manager to be given enough funds to go for promotion, I assume you mean promotion this year, correct?

I am left wondering if you really mean it when you call for that level of funds to be made available in just one season. If I were to suggest that at this time we need around nine new players, would I be that far out? If we were to make the big challenge this season, do you think that those remaining in the squad today, are all of a standard to get us there, or would we have to think about replacing two or three of them too?

Mark what would be your idea of a suitable budget to see us go for it, this season?
A budget in line with the club having 24000 season tickets , who pay premiership money to watch pretty poor football if I am honest,
We need 12 players, most of those will want a two year deal....
Example who would have had Ward on there left back list 12 months ago?
Now realise he is on £600k a year,
If we go cheaper ? Exactly how much are we going to pay theses fill in players who I assume your saying won't get us out of this league?
FFP rules won't help clubs who don't recieve parachute payments, infact the gap between clubs with and without will get wider as FFP rules hit years three.
How exactly are we going to go forward paying second class players to entertain people paying first class prices?
I honestly think someone is assuming the 24000 are here to stay! And the fans will part with more cash to recieve poorer fair!
If your suggesting a different scenario I would love to hear it! But signing cheap is a expensive gamble if it fails.
and so your budget figure is???
10 million for wages and purchases.
12 players on average of 12k a week = 7 million a year.
Fees 1.2 million ( movement and agent fees)
4 x 500k to buy quality players under 25 years
The average Championship salary is I think 5k but given our gates I don't think 10m unreasonable or outside of FFP.

Why can't we afford a playing budget of 10m when TV money contributes 5m and gate receipts are 20m plus merchandising, catering and sponsorship. The rule of thumb is that player wages should be no more than two thirds of total income. That means we should be able to have a playing budget of 20m
Average salary at the Albion =
CMS 17k a wk
Barnes was on about 6.5 k a week .
The likes of Dunk JFC are probably on the 3-4 k a week
I was surprised whitehawk pay one 1500 a week , and others around the 1000 a week .
A long way out (under) on the likes of Dunk and JFC. £3k to £4k per were the levels of weekly wages paid in the Withdean era. CMS is not on that much, but you are correct that he earns a small fortune - that plus his astonishingly high transfer fee were a massive mistake by Poyet.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, your call for our new manager to be given enough funds to go for promotion, I assume you mean promotion this year, correct? I am left wondering if you really mean it when you call for that level of funds to be made available in just one season. If I were to suggest that at this time we need around nine new players, would I be that far out? If we were to make the big challenge this season, do you think that those remaining in the squad today, are all of a standard to get us there, or would we have to think about replacing two or three of them too? Mark what would be your idea of a suitable budget to see us go for it, this season?[/p][/quote]A budget in line with the club having 24000 season tickets , who pay premiership money to watch pretty poor football if I am honest, We need 12 players, most of those will want a two year deal.... Example who would have had Ward on there left back list 12 months ago? Now realise he is on £600k a year, If we go cheaper ? Exactly how much are we going to pay theses fill in players who I assume your saying won't get us out of this league? FFP rules won't help clubs who don't recieve parachute payments, infact the gap between clubs with and without will get wider as FFP rules hit years three. How exactly are we going to go forward paying second class players to entertain people paying first class prices? I honestly think someone is assuming the 24000 are here to stay! And the fans will part with more cash to recieve poorer fair! If your suggesting a different scenario I would love to hear it! But signing cheap is a expensive gamble if it fails.[/p][/quote]and so your budget figure is???[/p][/quote]10 million for wages and purchases. 12 players on average of 12k a week = 7 million a year. Fees 1.2 million ( movement and agent fees) 4 x 500k to buy quality players under 25 years[/p][/quote]The average Championship salary is I think 5k but given our gates I don't think 10m unreasonable or outside of FFP. Why can't we afford a playing budget of 10m when TV money contributes 5m and gate receipts are 20m plus merchandising, catering and sponsorship. The rule of thumb is that player wages should be no more than two thirds of total income. That means we should be able to have a playing budget of 20m[/p][/quote]Average salary at the Albion = CMS 17k a wk Barnes was on about 6.5 k a week . The likes of Dunk JFC are probably on the 3-4 k a week I was surprised whitehawk pay one 1500 a week , and others around the 1000 a week .[/p][/quote]A long way out (under) on the likes of Dunk and JFC. £3k to £4k per were the levels of weekly wages paid in the Withdean era. CMS is not on that much, but you are correct that he earns a small fortune - that plus his astonishingly high transfer fee were a massive mistake by Poyet. Withdean-er
  • Score: 1

12:21am Wed 4 Jun 14

Vince says...

A lot of hype and tripe about Hypia.

TB has shown in the past he can act quickly when he has to. Russell Slade for example. Then Gus and now Oscar. He did not have to pay compensation to Gus nor Oscar (the former could have left us with massive debts if we had allowed him to spend what he wanted), the club are financially in a much better position, We have made profits on a number of players - Elliot Bennett, Noone, Bridcutt, Cook, Barnes, El-Abd, and we can potentially make big profits on Ulloa and Buckley and we have some promising youngsters coming through. Many of the high earners like Orlandi have been let go, and more like Agustien, could soon follow.

Having said that, we are in danger of being left short of class players in midfield and defence - and unless this is rectified we will struggle next season. We need to keep hold of Ulloa - or make sure we have a very good replacement lined-up if we do sell him.

My main concern is that gates could start to drop - and the club will be forced to make more economies - which could start a downward spiral in the short term. However, the future is with the youngsters, and I am confident that with the right manager in place, and a few astute signings, we could soon start to develop a good squad capable of mounting a sustained promotion challenge.

Finally, I would welcome a more fluid attacking system - than the one Oscar used last season. The only home games that excited me last season were the Leicester, Bolton, Q.P.R. and Wigan games. The rest were for the most part, pretty boring - and in most games Oscar did not employ the quick counter-attacking system that we were promised at the start of the season. The one-striker policy was dreadful at home, and Ulloa did brilliantly to score the goals that he did with the poor service he received from both midfield and particularly crosses from the wings.

WE NEED MORE CRAFT, FORWARD THRUST, EXCITEMENT AND ENTERTAINMENT - PLEASE!!!
A lot of hype and tripe about Hypia. TB has shown in the past he can act quickly when he has to. Russell Slade for example. Then Gus and now Oscar. He did not have to pay compensation to Gus nor Oscar (the former could have left us with massive debts if we had allowed him to spend what he wanted), the club are financially in a much better position, We have made profits on a number of players - Elliot Bennett, Noone, Bridcutt, Cook, Barnes, El-Abd, and we can potentially make big profits on Ulloa and Buckley and we have some promising youngsters coming through. Many of the high earners like Orlandi have been let go, and more like Agustien, could soon follow. Having said that, we are in danger of being left short of class players in midfield and defence - and unless this is rectified we will struggle next season. We need to keep hold of Ulloa - or make sure we have a very good replacement lined-up if we do sell him. My main concern is that gates could start to drop - and the club will be forced to make more economies - which could start a downward spiral in the short term. However, the future is with the youngsters, and I am confident that with the right manager in place, and a few astute signings, we could soon start to develop a good squad capable of mounting a sustained promotion challenge. Finally, I would welcome a more fluid attacking system - than the one Oscar used last season. The only home games that excited me last season were the Leicester, Bolton, Q.P.R. and Wigan games. The rest were for the most part, pretty boring - and in most games Oscar did not employ the quick counter-attacking system that we were promised at the start of the season. The one-striker policy was dreadful at home, and Ulloa did brilliantly to score the goals that he did with the poor service he received from both midfield and particularly crosses from the wings. WE NEED MORE CRAFT, FORWARD THRUST, EXCITEMENT AND ENTERTAINMENT - PLEASE!!! Vince
  • Score: 3

1:18am Wed 4 Jun 14

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

Guys. Don't you find it all a little odd that straight out the gate Barber was telling everyone that we have a host of extremely high calibre candidates, both British and Foreign, from high levels within the game, and you would think that if that was really the case, picking one of these high calibre individuals would be a cinch, right ?

I mean its like saying we had Mourinho, Alex Ferguson, Brendan Rogers, Arsne Wenger, and Carlo Ancellotti apply, yet we can't quite make up our minds, so instead we're dragging this out and continuing to interview others with much less experience and track record. Makes no sense, unless ....................
.we wake up to the reality that this job at BHA is somewhat of a poison chalice and the three little piggies that went to market, (Bloom, Barber, and Burke), can't be trusted by these so called high calibre applicants?

So, is there a theory in there that they thought they would be making offers to people like Tim Sherwood, Clarke, or some other Premier League, La Liga, or Serie A infused person, but have actually found that nobody in that " high calibre" group actually wants it. Hence we are now looking at people like Hyypia.

I'm not suggesting Hyypia would be no good, but he's certainly a gamble, largely unproven, and definitely not in the high calibre group, and in that sense this would be the same punt as it was employing Oscar. i.e. Employ someone who is not high calibre and hope they turn out to be, and that someone will put up less resistance to the three B's and budget constraints.

Just saying.....if Barbers statements were to be believed I think we would have appointed someone by now who would be instantly recognisable as "high calibre"

Lastly, my frustration with the three B's is not that they may not know what they are doing, but that they continue to ignore the fan base with even a smidgen of communication. Same story as last year. I don't expect anyone to come out and spill the beans but you would think that between the three of them they could muster some kind of weekly update, even if all it said was we are on track.

They create the own air of mistrust. Especially the very aloof, better than thou, Mr Barber.

Wish Dick Knight was till the around, he'd at least have the courtesy to communicate. That was his prime skill and prime concern. ( the fans).
Guys. Don't you find it all a little odd that straight out the gate Barber was telling everyone that we have a host of extremely high calibre candidates, both British and Foreign, from high levels within the game, and you would think that if that was really the case, picking one of these high calibre individuals would be a cinch, right ? I mean its like saying we had Mourinho, Alex Ferguson, Brendan Rogers, Arsne Wenger, and Carlo Ancellotti apply, yet we can't quite make up our minds, so instead we're dragging this out and continuing to interview others with much less experience and track record. Makes no sense, unless .................... .we wake up to the reality that this job at BHA is somewhat of a poison chalice and the three little piggies that went to market, (Bloom, Barber, and Burke), can't be trusted by these so called high calibre applicants? So, is there a theory in there that they thought they would be making offers to people like Tim Sherwood, Clarke, or some other Premier League, La Liga, or Serie A infused person, but have actually found that nobody in that " high calibre" group actually wants it. Hence we are now looking at people like Hyypia. I'm not suggesting Hyypia would be no good, but he's certainly a gamble, largely unproven, and definitely not in the high calibre group, and in that sense this would be the same punt as it was employing Oscar. i.e. Employ someone who is not high calibre and hope they turn out to be, and that someone will put up less resistance to the three B's and budget constraints. Just saying.....if Barbers statements were to be believed I think we would have appointed someone by now who would be instantly recognisable as "high calibre" Lastly, my frustration with the three B's is not that they may not know what they are doing, but that they continue to ignore the fan base with even a smidgen of communication. Same story as last year. I don't expect anyone to come out and spill the beans but you would think that between the three of them they could muster some kind of weekly update, even if all it said was we are on track. They create the own air of mistrust. Especially the very aloof, better than thou, Mr Barber. Wish Dick Knight was till the around, he'd at least have the courtesy to communicate. That was his prime skill and prime concern. ( the fans). PressBoxTeaBoy
  • Score: 0

1:31am Wed 4 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

Anthony 14 wrote:
I can't understand why people give so many thumbs down to people who suggest the likes Hughton, McDermott, Mowbary. My first choice is Sherwood, but if I would be much happier with these guys than Hypia or...Fred Hantz (who the **** is he??). I really do hope its not Hypia. I have nothing against the bloke, but we need a proven Championship manager or someone with some passion to give the club a much needed lift, which Sherwood would do. Come on Bloom, lets not get someone with fluffy credentials!!
Fluffy credentials? Played for a top English team, winning League and FA Cups, Uefa Cup, 105 caps for his country, has managed in The Champions. League and has over 50% win rate while both in joint and sole charge of team affairs at one of Germany's biggest "other clubs".
[quote][p][bold]Anthony 14[/bold] wrote: I can't understand why people give so many thumbs down to people who suggest the likes Hughton, McDermott, Mowbary. My first choice is Sherwood, but if I would be much happier with these guys than Hypia or...Fred Hantz (who the **** is he??). I really do hope its not Hypia. I have nothing against the bloke, but we need a proven Championship manager or someone with some passion to give the club a much needed lift, which Sherwood would do. Come on Bloom, lets not get someone with fluffy credentials!![/p][/quote]Fluffy credentials? Played for a top English team, winning League and FA Cups, Uefa Cup, 105 caps for his country, has managed in The Champions. League and has over 50% win rate while both in joint and sole charge of team affairs at one of Germany's biggest "other clubs". Captain Haddock
  • Score: 3

2:55am Wed 4 Jun 14

pte says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Guys. Don't you find it all a little odd that straight out the gate Barber was telling everyone that we have a host of extremely high calibre candidates, both British and Foreign, from high levels within the game, and you would think that if that was really the case, picking one of these high calibre individuals would be a cinch, right ?

I mean its like saying we had Mourinho, Alex Ferguson, Brendan Rogers, Arsne Wenger, and Carlo Ancellotti apply, yet we can't quite make up our minds, so instead we're dragging this out and continuing to interview others with much less experience and track record. Makes no sense, unless ....................

.we wake up to the reality that this job at BHA is somewhat of a poison chalice and the three little piggies that went to market, (Bloom, Barber, and Burke), can't be trusted by these so called high calibre applicants?

So, is there a theory in there that they thought they would be making offers to people like Tim Sherwood, Clarke, or some other Premier League, La Liga, or Serie A infused person, but have actually found that nobody in that " high calibre" group actually wants it. Hence we are now looking at people like Hyypia.

I'm not suggesting Hyypia would be no good, but he's certainly a gamble, largely unproven, and definitely not in the high calibre group, and in that sense this would be the same punt as it was employing Oscar. i.e. Employ someone who is not high calibre and hope they turn out to be, and that someone will put up less resistance to the three B's and budget constraints.

Just saying.....if Barbers statements were to be believed I think we would have appointed someone by now who would be instantly recognisable as "high calibre"

Lastly, my frustration with the three B's is not that they may not know what they are doing, but that they continue to ignore the fan base with even a smidgen of communication. Same story as last year. I don't expect anyone to come out and spill the beans but you would think that between the three of them they could muster some kind of weekly update, even if all it said was we are on track.

They create the own air of mistrust. Especially the very aloof, better than thou, Mr Barber.

Wish Dick Knight was till the around, he'd at least have the courtesy to communicate. That was his prime skill and prime concern. ( the fans).
You hit the nail on the head. If there are so many great candidates then appointing one is easy. But the reverse is true, they simply cannot find an established manager for the wages on offer and the playing budget.

Even in the Withdean years they said they were impressed with the candidates and now they say they are in no rush.

All the top managers are holding out for something better and it's a case of seeing which manager cracks first. They know which posts are becoming vacant and are eyeing them up. As each post becomes filled the managers start to panic for fear of being left on the shelf.

I hope we don't get left with a wallflower
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Guys. Don't you find it all a little odd that straight out the gate Barber was telling everyone that we have a host of extremely high calibre candidates, both British and Foreign, from high levels within the game, and you would think that if that was really the case, picking one of these high calibre individuals would be a cinch, right ? I mean its like saying we had Mourinho, Alex Ferguson, Brendan Rogers, Arsne Wenger, and Carlo Ancellotti apply, yet we can't quite make up our minds, so instead we're dragging this out and continuing to interview others with much less experience and track record. Makes no sense, unless .................... .we wake up to the reality that this job at BHA is somewhat of a poison chalice and the three little piggies that went to market, (Bloom, Barber, and Burke), can't be trusted by these so called high calibre applicants? So, is there a theory in there that they thought they would be making offers to people like Tim Sherwood, Clarke, or some other Premier League, La Liga, or Serie A infused person, but have actually found that nobody in that " high calibre" group actually wants it. Hence we are now looking at people like Hyypia. I'm not suggesting Hyypia would be no good, but he's certainly a gamble, largely unproven, and definitely not in the high calibre group, and in that sense this would be the same punt as it was employing Oscar. i.e. Employ someone who is not high calibre and hope they turn out to be, and that someone will put up less resistance to the three B's and budget constraints. Just saying.....if Barbers statements were to be believed I think we would have appointed someone by now who would be instantly recognisable as "high calibre" Lastly, my frustration with the three B's is not that they may not know what they are doing, but that they continue to ignore the fan base with even a smidgen of communication. Same story as last year. I don't expect anyone to come out and spill the beans but you would think that between the three of them they could muster some kind of weekly update, even if all it said was we are on track. They create the own air of mistrust. Especially the very aloof, better than thou, Mr Barber. Wish Dick Knight was till the around, he'd at least have the courtesy to communicate. That was his prime skill and prime concern. ( the fans).[/p][/quote]You hit the nail on the head. If there are so many great candidates then appointing one is easy. But the reverse is true, they simply cannot find an established manager for the wages on offer and the playing budget. Even in the Withdean years they said they were impressed with the candidates and now they say they are in no rush. All the top managers are holding out for something better and it's a case of seeing which manager cracks first. They know which posts are becoming vacant and are eyeing them up. As each post becomes filled the managers start to panic for fear of being left on the shelf. I hope we don't get left with a wallflower pte
  • Score: -1

5:12am Wed 4 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

pte wrote:
PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Guys. Don't you find it all a little odd that straight out the gate Barber was telling everyone that we have a host of extremely high calibre candidates, both British and Foreign, from high levels within the game, and you would think that if that was really the case, picking one of these high calibre individuals would be a cinch, right ?

I mean its like saying we had Mourinho, Alex Ferguson, Brendan Rogers, Arsne Wenger, and Carlo Ancellotti apply, yet we can't quite make up our minds, so instead we're dragging this out and continuing to interview others with much less experience and track record. Makes no sense, unless ....................


.we wake up to the reality that this job at BHA is somewhat of a poison chalice and the three little piggies that went to market, (Bloom, Barber, and Burke), can't be trusted by these so called high calibre applicants?

So, is there a theory in there that they thought they would be making offers to people like Tim Sherwood, Clarke, or some other Premier League, La Liga, or Serie A infused person, but have actually found that nobody in that " high calibre" group actually wants it. Hence we are now looking at people like Hyypia.

I'm not suggesting Hyypia would be no good, but he's certainly a gamble, largely unproven, and definitely not in the high calibre group, and in that sense this would be the same punt as it was employing Oscar. i.e. Employ someone who is not high calibre and hope they turn out to be, and that someone will put up less resistance to the three B's and budget constraints.

Just saying.....if Barbers statements were to be believed I think we would have appointed someone by now who would be instantly recognisable as "high calibre"

Lastly, my frustration with the three B's is not that they may not know what they are doing, but that they continue to ignore the fan base with even a smidgen of communication. Same story as last year. I don't expect anyone to come out and spill the beans but you would think that between the three of them they could muster some kind of weekly update, even if all it said was we are on track.

They create the own air of mistrust. Especially the very aloof, better than thou, Mr Barber.

Wish Dick Knight was till the around, he'd at least have the courtesy to communicate. That was his prime skill and prime concern. ( the fans).
You hit the nail on the head. If there are so many great candidates then appointing one is easy. But the reverse is true, they simply cannot find an established manager for the wages on offer and the playing budget.

Even in the Withdean years they said they were impressed with the candidates and now they say they are in no rush.

All the top managers are holding out for something better and it's a case of seeing which manager cracks first. They know which posts are becoming vacant and are eyeing them up. As each post becomes filled the managers start to panic for fear of being left on the shelf.

I hope we don't get left with a wallflower
It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that.
The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some are suggesting?
People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact.
But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite.
Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? Frankly, I don't know the answer, but it's that level of consideration the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced..
So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence?
Just a thought....
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Guys. Don't you find it all a little odd that straight out the gate Barber was telling everyone that we have a host of extremely high calibre candidates, both British and Foreign, from high levels within the game, and you would think that if that was really the case, picking one of these high calibre individuals would be a cinch, right ? I mean its like saying we had Mourinho, Alex Ferguson, Brendan Rogers, Arsne Wenger, and Carlo Ancellotti apply, yet we can't quite make up our minds, so instead we're dragging this out and continuing to interview others with much less experience and track record. Makes no sense, unless .................... .we wake up to the reality that this job at BHA is somewhat of a poison chalice and the three little piggies that went to market, (Bloom, Barber, and Burke), can't be trusted by these so called high calibre applicants? So, is there a theory in there that they thought they would be making offers to people like Tim Sherwood, Clarke, or some other Premier League, La Liga, or Serie A infused person, but have actually found that nobody in that " high calibre" group actually wants it. Hence we are now looking at people like Hyypia. I'm not suggesting Hyypia would be no good, but he's certainly a gamble, largely unproven, and definitely not in the high calibre group, and in that sense this would be the same punt as it was employing Oscar. i.e. Employ someone who is not high calibre and hope they turn out to be, and that someone will put up less resistance to the three B's and budget constraints. Just saying.....if Barbers statements were to be believed I think we would have appointed someone by now who would be instantly recognisable as "high calibre" Lastly, my frustration with the three B's is not that they may not know what they are doing, but that they continue to ignore the fan base with even a smidgen of communication. Same story as last year. I don't expect anyone to come out and spill the beans but you would think that between the three of them they could muster some kind of weekly update, even if all it said was we are on track. They create the own air of mistrust. Especially the very aloof, better than thou, Mr Barber. Wish Dick Knight was till the around, he'd at least have the courtesy to communicate. That was his prime skill and prime concern. ( the fans).[/p][/quote]You hit the nail on the head. If there are so many great candidates then appointing one is easy. But the reverse is true, they simply cannot find an established manager for the wages on offer and the playing budget. Even in the Withdean years they said they were impressed with the candidates and now they say they are in no rush. All the top managers are holding out for something better and it's a case of seeing which manager cracks first. They know which posts are becoming vacant and are eyeing them up. As each post becomes filled the managers start to panic for fear of being left on the shelf. I hope we don't get left with a wallflower[/p][/quote]It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that. The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some are suggesting? People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact. But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite. Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? Frankly, I don't know the answer, but it's that level of consideration the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced.. So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence? Just a thought.... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

11:00am Wed 4 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

gordongull wrote:
Is Tony Bloom looking for a Manager who will play a certain style of football? Does anyone remember at what point there was talk of a Club philosophy where the same system would be in operation at all levels, to enable continuity from the Academy right through to the first team.?
What happens if, for example, Chris Hughton is interviewed, and tells Mr. Bloom to forget possession football. The only way he can get us promoted is by playing direct counter-attacking 442. Does that rule him out?
Could the style of play that is required be another issue that candidates for the job will have to contend with?
Good point, Gordon. Tony Bloom very definitely had a vision in mind for the club when he took over the reins. The remit was to play attractive passing football and pass our way through the divisions in a way that would emulate Swansea City. He appointed Gus on this basis and has followed it through the 5 years of his reign so far. Problem is that we have levelled out in the last season.

At a Seagulls Over London meeting a couple of years ago, Tony stated that the club would always play passing football and that philosophy wouldn't change. I don't know if he's changed his mind in the meantime but I doubt it. Therefore, one can assume that Chris Hughton would either subscribe to that philosophy if appointed or miss out on the job if insistent on "whatever it takes".

Remember, Bloom is at the age when he would've been about 10 years old when we got in the top flight. He would've just about been old enough to have seen at first hand the detrimental effect to crowds of playing negative boring and overly direct football (and / or would've had things described to him by his uncle and others) and would not wish that to come back to haunt his era. Aside from that, he is a proper fan and as such he wants to be entertained himself!
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Is Tony Bloom looking for a Manager who will play a certain style of football? Does anyone remember at what point there was talk of a Club philosophy where the same system would be in operation at all levels, to enable continuity from the Academy right through to the first team.? What happens if, for example, Chris Hughton is interviewed, and tells Mr. Bloom to forget possession football. The only way he can get us promoted is by playing direct counter-attacking 442. Does that rule him out? Could the style of play that is required be another issue that candidates for the job will have to contend with?[/p][/quote]Good point, Gordon. Tony Bloom very definitely had a vision in mind for the club when he took over the reins. The remit was to play attractive passing football and pass our way through the divisions in a way that would emulate Swansea City. He appointed Gus on this basis and has followed it through the 5 years of his reign so far. Problem is that we have levelled out in the last season. At a Seagulls Over London meeting a couple of years ago, Tony stated that the club would always play passing football and that philosophy wouldn't change. I don't know if he's changed his mind in the meantime but I doubt it. Therefore, one can assume that Chris Hughton would either subscribe to that philosophy if appointed or miss out on the job if insistent on "whatever it takes". Remember, Bloom is at the age when he would've been about 10 years old when we got in the top flight. He would've just about been old enough to have seen at first hand the detrimental effect to crowds of playing negative boring and overly direct football (and / or would've had things described to him by his uncle and others) and would not wish that to come back to haunt his era. Aside from that, he is a proper fan and as such he wants to be entertained himself! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 2

11:05am Wed 4 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

Vince wrote:
A lot of hype and tripe about Hypia.

TB has shown in the past he can act quickly when he has to. Russell Slade for example. Then Gus and now Oscar. He did not have to pay compensation to Gus nor Oscar (the former could have left us with massive debts if we had allowed him to spend what he wanted), the club are financially in a much better position, We have made profits on a number of players - Elliot Bennett, Noone, Bridcutt, Cook, Barnes, El-Abd, and we can potentially make big profits on Ulloa and Buckley and we have some promising youngsters coming through. Many of the high earners like Orlandi have been let go, and more like Agustien, could soon follow.

Having said that, we are in danger of being left short of class players in midfield and defence - and unless this is rectified we will struggle next season. We need to keep hold of Ulloa - or make sure we have a very good replacement lined-up if we do sell him.

My main concern is that gates could start to drop - and the club will be forced to make more economies - which could start a downward spiral in the short term. However, the future is with the youngsters, and I am confident that with the right manager in place, and a few astute signings, we could soon start to develop a good squad capable of mounting a sustained promotion challenge.

Finally, I would welcome a more fluid attacking system - than the one Oscar used last season. The only home games that excited me last season were the Leicester, Bolton, Q.P.R. and Wigan games. The rest were for the most part, pretty boring - and in most games Oscar did not employ the quick counter-attacking system that we were promised at the start of the season. The one-striker policy was dreadful at home, and Ulloa did brilliantly to score the goals that he did with the poor service he received from both midfield and particularly crosses from the wings.

WE NEED MORE CRAFT, FORWARD THRUST, EXCITEMENT AND ENTERTAINMENT - PLEASE!!!
I don't always agree with you entirely, but this is a truly excellent post that's right on the money. Deserved more thumbs up tbh!
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: A lot of hype and tripe about Hypia. TB has shown in the past he can act quickly when he has to. Russell Slade for example. Then Gus and now Oscar. He did not have to pay compensation to Gus nor Oscar (the former could have left us with massive debts if we had allowed him to spend what he wanted), the club are financially in a much better position, We have made profits on a number of players - Elliot Bennett, Noone, Bridcutt, Cook, Barnes, El-Abd, and we can potentially make big profits on Ulloa and Buckley and we have some promising youngsters coming through. Many of the high earners like Orlandi have been let go, and more like Agustien, could soon follow. Having said that, we are in danger of being left short of class players in midfield and defence - and unless this is rectified we will struggle next season. We need to keep hold of Ulloa - or make sure we have a very good replacement lined-up if we do sell him. My main concern is that gates could start to drop - and the club will be forced to make more economies - which could start a downward spiral in the short term. However, the future is with the youngsters, and I am confident that with the right manager in place, and a few astute signings, we could soon start to develop a good squad capable of mounting a sustained promotion challenge. Finally, I would welcome a more fluid attacking system - than the one Oscar used last season. The only home games that excited me last season were the Leicester, Bolton, Q.P.R. and Wigan games. The rest were for the most part, pretty boring - and in most games Oscar did not employ the quick counter-attacking system that we were promised at the start of the season. The one-striker policy was dreadful at home, and Ulloa did brilliantly to score the goals that he did with the poor service he received from both midfield and particularly crosses from the wings. WE NEED MORE CRAFT, FORWARD THRUST, EXCITEMENT AND ENTERTAINMENT - PLEASE!!![/p][/quote]I don't always agree with you entirely, but this is a truly excellent post that's right on the money. Deserved more thumbs up tbh! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 2

11:11am Wed 4 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
pte wrote:
PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Guys. Don't you find it all a little odd that straight out the gate Barber was telling everyone that we have a host of extremely high calibre candidates, both British and Foreign, from high levels within the game, and you would think that if that was really the case, picking one of these high calibre individuals would be a cinch, right ?

I mean its like saying we had Mourinho, Alex Ferguson, Brendan Rogers, Arsne Wenger, and Carlo Ancellotti apply, yet we can't quite make up our minds, so instead we're dragging this out and continuing to interview others with much less experience and track record. Makes no sense, unless ....................



.we wake up to the reality that this job at BHA is somewhat of a poison chalice and the three little piggies that went to market, (Bloom, Barber, and Burke), can't be trusted by these so called high calibre applicants?

So, is there a theory in there that they thought they would be making offers to people like Tim Sherwood, Clarke, or some other Premier League, La Liga, or Serie A infused person, but have actually found that nobody in that " high calibre" group actually wants it. Hence we are now looking at people like Hyypia.

I'm not suggesting Hyypia would be no good, but he's certainly a gamble, largely unproven, and definitely not in the high calibre group, and in that sense this would be the same punt as it was employing Oscar. i.e. Employ someone who is not high calibre and hope they turn out to be, and that someone will put up less resistance to the three B's and budget constraints.

Just saying.....if Barbers statements were to be believed I think we would have appointed someone by now who would be instantly recognisable as "high calibre"

Lastly, my frustration with the three B's is not that they may not know what they are doing, but that they continue to ignore the fan base with even a smidgen of communication. Same story as last year. I don't expect anyone to come out and spill the beans but you would think that between the three of them they could muster some kind of weekly update, even if all it said was we are on track.

They create the own air of mistrust. Especially the very aloof, better than thou, Mr Barber.

Wish Dick Knight was till the around, he'd at least have the courtesy to communicate. That was his prime skill and prime concern. ( the fans).
You hit the nail on the head. If there are so many great candidates then appointing one is easy. But the reverse is true, they simply cannot find an established manager for the wages on offer and the playing budget.

Even in the Withdean years they said they were impressed with the candidates and now they say they are in no rush.

All the top managers are holding out for something better and it's a case of seeing which manager cracks first. They know which posts are becoming vacant and are eyeing them up. As each post becomes filled the managers start to panic for fear of being left on the shelf.

I hope we don't get left with a wallflower
It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that.
The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some are suggesting?
People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact.
But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite.
Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? Frankly, I don't know the answer, but it's that level of consideration the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced..
So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence?
Just a thought....
I agree, Staffs.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Guys. Don't you find it all a little odd that straight out the gate Barber was telling everyone that we have a host of extremely high calibre candidates, both British and Foreign, from high levels within the game, and you would think that if that was really the case, picking one of these high calibre individuals would be a cinch, right ? I mean its like saying we had Mourinho, Alex Ferguson, Brendan Rogers, Arsne Wenger, and Carlo Ancellotti apply, yet we can't quite make up our minds, so instead we're dragging this out and continuing to interview others with much less experience and track record. Makes no sense, unless .................... .we wake up to the reality that this job at BHA is somewhat of a poison chalice and the three little piggies that went to market, (Bloom, Barber, and Burke), can't be trusted by these so called high calibre applicants? So, is there a theory in there that they thought they would be making offers to people like Tim Sherwood, Clarke, or some other Premier League, La Liga, or Serie A infused person, but have actually found that nobody in that " high calibre" group actually wants it. Hence we are now looking at people like Hyypia. I'm not suggesting Hyypia would be no good, but he's certainly a gamble, largely unproven, and definitely not in the high calibre group, and in that sense this would be the same punt as it was employing Oscar. i.e. Employ someone who is not high calibre and hope they turn out to be, and that someone will put up less resistance to the three B's and budget constraints. Just saying.....if Barbers statements were to be believed I think we would have appointed someone by now who would be instantly recognisable as "high calibre" Lastly, my frustration with the three B's is not that they may not know what they are doing, but that they continue to ignore the fan base with even a smidgen of communication. Same story as last year. I don't expect anyone to come out and spill the beans but you would think that between the three of them they could muster some kind of weekly update, even if all it said was we are on track. They create the own air of mistrust. Especially the very aloof, better than thou, Mr Barber. Wish Dick Knight was till the around, he'd at least have the courtesy to communicate. That was his prime skill and prime concern. ( the fans).[/p][/quote]You hit the nail on the head. If there are so many great candidates then appointing one is easy. But the reverse is true, they simply cannot find an established manager for the wages on offer and the playing budget. Even in the Withdean years they said they were impressed with the candidates and now they say they are in no rush. All the top managers are holding out for something better and it's a case of seeing which manager cracks first. They know which posts are becoming vacant and are eyeing them up. As each post becomes filled the managers start to panic for fear of being left on the shelf. I hope we don't get left with a wallflower[/p][/quote]It's amazing how opinion can change depending on which way the wind is blowing and I include myself in that. The current favourite is certainly a name from left field, but would his appointment REALLY indicate we've 'failed' to attract a high calibre manager as some are suggesting? People's opinion is naturally subjective and, as fans, based largely on an irrational knee jerk reaction rather than deeper fact. But with Hyppia having played for ten years in the division we aspire to, represented his country over a hundred times and managed a decent side in the Bundesliga for 18 months, he surely has on that basis, far better credentials than Tim Sherwood and Brian McDermott for starters. Then again, people will say Sherwood did well at Spurs and McDermoot took Reading up so they have other attributes. The argument becomes almost infinite. Chris Hughton clearly has more managerial experience, but do his results back that up against Hyppia? Frankly, I don't know the answer, but it's that level of consideration the board will be looking at when they consider their options. Who is best in this area? Is there someone we can talk to about him? This guy feels a better fit in terms of playing style, but he's inexperienced.. So my point is this..... Rather than suggesting the potential appointment of Hyppia means we've failed, perhaps it actually means we've been comprehensive in our due diligence? Just a thought....[/p][/quote]I agree, Staffs. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 0

10:41pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Falmer Wizard says...

Vince has made a plea for a more attacking entertaining style of play which I have yearned for over the past two seasons,unfortunatel
y we don't have enough players capable of playing this type of football and there is little hope of affording new signings of this type.The financial stuation also explains the
delay in appointing a manager.
Vince has made a plea for a more attacking entertaining style of play which I have yearned for over the past two seasons,unfortunatel y we don't have enough players capable of playing this type of football and there is little hope of affording new signings of this type.The financial stuation also explains the delay in appointing a manager. Falmer Wizard
  • Score: 0

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