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Finnish boss: Hyypia commands respect

The Argus: Sami Hyypia during his time in charge of Bayer Leverkusen. Pic by Andreas Pohl/Bild Zeitung Sami Hyypia during his time in charge of Bayer Leverkusen. Pic by Andreas Pohl/Bild Zeitung

Sami Hyypia will command the respect of Albion’s players.

That is the view of former Finland national team boss Martti Kuusela.

Hyypia will be in charge when the Seagulls return to work later this month.

Kuusela, one of Finland’s best known coaches, said: “Sami knows English football and that is very important.

“He now has a really good chance to become a very good coach or manager.

“I know he learned from working at Bayer Leverkusen.

“You must learn from many different styles of football.

“I am sure the players will like Sami.

“There are a lot of pros who, if they are not in the team, start to disrupt things.

“But Sami is a good guy ad they will respect him.

“It is very important how the players react to him.

“I think Sami is very disciplined and always works hard.”

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6:11am Sun 8 Jun 14

Steyning reject says...

Message to the Argus
Another ringing endorsement for SH, but when can we expect to hear something direct from SH on his new club or from some of the players on their thoughts on the new manager or from someone from the club like mr Bloom or mr Burke and not just former players views and comments lifted from the seagulls home page.
Message to the Argus Another ringing endorsement for SH, but when can we expect to hear something direct from SH on his new club or from some of the players on their thoughts on the new manager or from someone from the club like mr Bloom or mr Burke and not just former players views and comments lifted from the seagulls home page. Steyning reject
  • Score: -21

6:41am Sun 8 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

Steyning reject wrote:
Message to the Argus
Another ringing endorsement for SH, but when can we expect to hear something direct from SH on his new club or from some of the players on their thoughts on the new manager or from someone from the club like mr Bloom or mr Burke and not just former players views and comments lifted from the seagulls home page.
I have feeling argus is out of contact with club,
[quote][p][bold]Steyning reject[/bold] wrote: Message to the Argus Another ringing endorsement for SH, but when can we expect to hear something direct from SH on his new club or from some of the players on their thoughts on the new manager or from someone from the club like mr Bloom or mr Burke and not just former players views and comments lifted from the seagulls home page.[/p][/quote]I have feeling argus is out of contact with club, mark by the sea
  • Score: -8

6:47am Sun 8 Jun 14

Steyning reject says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Steyning reject wrote:
Message to the Argus
Another ringing endorsement for SH, but when can we expect to hear something direct from SH on his new club or from some of the players on their thoughts on the new manager or from someone from the club like mr Bloom or mr Burke and not just former players views and comments lifted from the seagulls home page.
I have feeling argus is out of contact with club,
and their readers
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steyning reject[/bold] wrote: Message to the Argus Another ringing endorsement for SH, but when can we expect to hear something direct from SH on his new club or from some of the players on their thoughts on the new manager or from someone from the club like mr Bloom or mr Burke and not just former players views and comments lifted from the seagulls home page.[/p][/quote]I have feeling argus is out of contact with club,[/p][/quote]and their readers Steyning reject
  • Score: -7

7:39am Sun 8 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Steyning reject wrote:
Message to the Argus
Another ringing endorsement for SH, but when can we expect to hear something direct from SH on his new club or from some of the players on their thoughts on the new manager or from someone from the club like mr Bloom or mr Burke and not just former players views and comments lifted from the seagulls home page.
I have feeling argus is out of contact with club,
Yep, it certainly looks like the paper is very much on the outside of things. Given that the club announced their man on Friday, there has been no board endorsement of their choice and I can only assume they're waiting to do that at a press conference tomorrow or early this week?
Apart from initial, basic quotes from Hyypia there's been nothing form the club over the weekend. There's surely merit -dare I say a demand? - in them discussing the process and the outcome now it's over and Hyypia reflecting his approach and plans.
There has to be more access to that sort of stuff coming, but at the moment, the Argus's coverage of the process, and I'm not sure it's their fault, certainly does smack of a lack of any meaningful relationship between them and the club?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steyning reject[/bold] wrote: Message to the Argus Another ringing endorsement for SH, but when can we expect to hear something direct from SH on his new club or from some of the players on their thoughts on the new manager or from someone from the club like mr Bloom or mr Burke and not just former players views and comments lifted from the seagulls home page.[/p][/quote]I have feeling argus is out of contact with club,[/p][/quote]Yep, it certainly looks like the paper is very much on the outside of things. Given that the club announced their man on Friday, there has been no board endorsement of their choice and I can only assume they're waiting to do that at a press conference tomorrow or early this week? Apart from initial, basic quotes from Hyypia there's been nothing form the club over the weekend. There's surely merit -dare I say a demand? - in them discussing the process and the outcome now it's over and Hyypia reflecting his approach and plans. There has to be more access to that sort of stuff coming, but at the moment, the Argus's coverage of the process, and I'm not sure it's their fault, certainly does smack of a lack of any meaningful relationship between them and the club? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 0

7:41am Sun 8 Jun 14

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

Steyning reject wrote:
Message to the Argus
Another ringing endorsement for SH, but when can we expect to hear something direct from SH on his new club or from some of the players on their thoughts on the new manager or from someone from the club like mr Bloom or mr Burke and not just former players views and comments lifted from the seagulls home page.
Give them a break, he hasn't yet been presented to the media in general.
[quote][p][bold]Steyning reject[/bold] wrote: Message to the Argus Another ringing endorsement for SH, but when can we expect to hear something direct from SH on his new club or from some of the players on their thoughts on the new manager or from someone from the club like mr Bloom or mr Burke and not just former players views and comments lifted from the seagulls home page.[/p][/quote]Give them a break, he hasn't yet been presented to the media in general. Willie, Willie Irvine
  • Score: 48

7:56am Sun 8 Jun 14

Dingbat99 says...

The Argus has to produce an article a day regardless of whether there is actually any news or not.
Andy Naylor is on holiday.
Tony Bloom & Paul Barber are in Faro Portugal at a conference for League Chairmen.
Stop moaning and get outside to enjoy the summer.
The Argus has to produce an article a day regardless of whether there is actually any news or not. Andy Naylor is on holiday. Tony Bloom & Paul Barber are in Faro Portugal at a conference for League Chairmen. Stop moaning and get outside to enjoy the summer. Dingbat99
  • Score: 78

7:56am Sun 8 Jun 14

Merdalf the Wizard says...

Add to that Football League Chairmen etc are in Portugal this weekend! I expect media presentation will be done tomorrow, new kit soon so could kill 2 birds with one stone.
I think maybe they were forced into announcing SH as boss once Skybet suspended betting, and as such no statement had been prepared!
But that's just my opinion.
UTA
Add to that Football League Chairmen etc are in Portugal this weekend! I expect media presentation will be done tomorrow, new kit soon so could kill 2 birds with one stone. I think maybe they were forced into announcing SH as boss once Skybet suspended betting, and as such no statement had been prepared! But that's just my opinion. UTA Merdalf the Wizard
  • Score: 27

8:38am Sun 8 Jun 14

blue-eyed-boy says...

Funny how any negative comments, even fair ones, get loads of thumbs down, makes you wonder if it's the Argus judging the comments.
As for Sami, I think the jury's out untill we see some signings, be they loans or permenet, all we can do is get behind him & wish him luck. We may have given Oscar more support than he deserved, but the main thing is he did have the support of the supporters which is a credit to them.
Funny how any negative comments, even fair ones, get loads of thumbs down, makes you wonder if it's the Argus judging the comments. As for Sami, I think the jury's out untill we see some signings, be they loans or permenet, all we can do is get behind him & wish him luck. We may have given Oscar more support than he deserved, but the main thing is he did have the support of the supporters which is a credit to them. blue-eyed-boy
  • Score: -1

8:40am Sun 8 Jun 14

AlanDuffy says...

Maybe Sami can get the best out of Kemi,,,,,,,so far, we've seen glimpses but nothing more. He must be on a decent wage and if we can get him fit and motivated then I feel he could become a big player for us.
Maybe Sami can get the best out of Kemi,,,,,,,so far, we've seen glimpses but nothing more. He must be on a decent wage and if we can get him fit and motivated then I feel he could become a big player for us. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 28

9:00am Sun 8 Jun 14

blue-eyed-boy says...

blue-eyed-boy wrote:
Funny how any negative comments, even fair ones, get loads of thumbs down, makes you wonder if it's the Argus judging the comments.
As for Sami, I think the jury's out untill we see some signings, be they loans or permenet, all we can do is get behind him & wish him luck. We may have given Oscar more support than he deserved, but the main thing is he did have the support of the supporters which is a credit to them.
Do the thumbs down prove I'm right?
[quote][p][bold]blue-eyed-boy[/bold] wrote: Funny how any negative comments, even fair ones, get loads of thumbs down, makes you wonder if it's the Argus judging the comments. As for Sami, I think the jury's out untill we see some signings, be they loans or permenet, all we can do is get behind him & wish him luck. We may have given Oscar more support than he deserved, but the main thing is he did have the support of the supporters which is a credit to them.[/p][/quote]Do the thumbs down prove I'm right? blue-eyed-boy
  • Score: -28

9:15am Sun 8 Jun 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

This is crazy! People on here have been moaning because it took so long to appoint a new manager. As soon as we get our man people are moaning about other really quite trivial things.
This weekend we have been hearing of the hardship our soldiers and sailors put up with on D-Day. I despair.
Get a life and get things in perspective. UTA
This is crazy! People on here have been moaning because it took so long to appoint a new manager. As soon as we get our man people are moaning about other really quite trivial things. This weekend we have been hearing of the hardship our soldiers and sailors put up with on D-Day. I despair. Get a life and get things in perspective. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 60

9:16am Sun 8 Jun 14

ballantrrae says...

Dingbat99 wrote:
The Argus has to produce an article a day regardless of whether there is actually any news or not.
Andy Naylor is on holiday.
Tony Bloom & Paul Barber are in Faro Portugal at a conference for League Chairmen.
Stop moaning and get outside to enjoy the summer.
Good Post, spot on.
[quote][p][bold]Dingbat99[/bold] wrote: The Argus has to produce an article a day regardless of whether there is actually any news or not. Andy Naylor is on holiday. Tony Bloom & Paul Barber are in Faro Portugal at a conference for League Chairmen. Stop moaning and get outside to enjoy the summer.[/p][/quote]Good Post, spot on. ballantrrae
  • Score: 27

9:20am Sun 8 Jun 14

ballantrrae says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
Maybe Sami can get the best out of Kemi,,,,,,,so far, we've seen glimpses but nothing more. He must be on a decent wage and if we can get him fit and motivated then I feel he could become a big player for us.
Following on re Agustein I think it might be a question of getting him fit or moving him on. From my perspective he was most disappointing last season.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: Maybe Sami can get the best out of Kemi,,,,,,,so far, we've seen glimpses but nothing more. He must be on a decent wage and if we can get him fit and motivated then I feel he could become a big player for us.[/p][/quote]Following on re Agustein I think it might be a question of getting him fit or moving him on. From my perspective he was most disappointing last season. ballantrrae
  • Score: 22

9:28am Sun 8 Jun 14

Claude Back says...

Dingbat99 wrote:
The Argus has to produce an article a day regardless of whether there is actually any news or not.
Andy Naylor is on holiday.
Tony Bloom & Paul Barber are in Faro Portugal at a conference for League Chairmen.
Stop moaning and get outside to enjoy the summer.
Yes.
Also, it's Sunday and there is no newspaper today. There was more in the actual paper yesterday and Friday.
[quote][p][bold]Dingbat99[/bold] wrote: The Argus has to produce an article a day regardless of whether there is actually any news or not. Andy Naylor is on holiday. Tony Bloom & Paul Barber are in Faro Portugal at a conference for League Chairmen. Stop moaning and get outside to enjoy the summer.[/p][/quote]Yes. Also, it's Sunday and there is no newspaper today. There was more in the actual paper yesterday and Friday. Claude Back
  • Score: 11

9:30am Sun 8 Jun 14

fratsomrover says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
This is crazy! People on here have been moaning because it took so long to appoint a new manager. As soon as we get our man people are moaning about other really quite trivial things.
This weekend we have been hearing of the hardship our soldiers and sailors put up with on D-Day. I despair.
Get a life and get things in perspective. UTA
I echo your thoughts entirely.
Some folk can only get their kicks from posting negativity. It's probably a sad reflection of their own lives, so dont let it get you down.
The D day memorabilia does bring things into perspective, but the new generation really fail to appreciate that as it falls beyond their comprehension.
It's an exciting prospect having a new Manager and I for one am looking forward to what he might bring to the club. Given Tony Blooms investment and ambition, I have to accept that Sami was the best candidate in TB's eyes and that's a good enough endorsement for me.
Roll on the start of the season !!
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: This is crazy! People on here have been moaning because it took so long to appoint a new manager. As soon as we get our man people are moaning about other really quite trivial things. This weekend we have been hearing of the hardship our soldiers and sailors put up with on D-Day. I despair. Get a life and get things in perspective. UTA[/p][/quote]I echo your thoughts entirely. Some folk can only get their kicks from posting negativity. It's probably a sad reflection of their own lives, so dont let it get you down. The D day memorabilia does bring things into perspective, but the new generation really fail to appreciate that as it falls beyond their comprehension. It's an exciting prospect having a new Manager and I for one am looking forward to what he might bring to the club. Given Tony Blooms investment and ambition, I have to accept that Sami was the best candidate in TB's eyes and that's a good enough endorsement for me. Roll on the start of the season !! fratsomrover
  • Score: 24

9:48am Sun 8 Jun 14

Max Ripple says...

blue-eyed-boy wrote:
blue-eyed-boy wrote:
Funny how any negative comments, even fair ones, get loads of thumbs down, makes you wonder if it's the Argus judging the comments.
As for Sami, I think the jury's out untill we see some signings, be they loans or permenet, all we can do is get behind him & wish him luck. We may have given Oscar more support than he deserved, but the main thing is he did have the support of the supporters which is a credit to them.
Do the thumbs down prove I'm right?
I'm afraid I agree. I'll probably get a thumbs down just for saying that.
Andy Naylor may be on holiday and TB and DB might be in Portugal at a very important meeting of chairmen and the League (is this where FFP is being discussed?) but The Argus does seem to have been clutching at straws for sometime now and was definitely caught on the hop when the story broke.
The Argus is becoming more and more remote with its editorial now being done somewhere down in the West Country and considerable unrest among its journos and other employees. It's fingers on buttons in this industry and I feel the Argus have broken their fingers.
[quote][p][bold]blue-eyed-boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blue-eyed-boy[/bold] wrote: Funny how any negative comments, even fair ones, get loads of thumbs down, makes you wonder if it's the Argus judging the comments. As for Sami, I think the jury's out untill we see some signings, be they loans or permenet, all we can do is get behind him & wish him luck. We may have given Oscar more support than he deserved, but the main thing is he did have the support of the supporters which is a credit to them.[/p][/quote]Do the thumbs down prove I'm right?[/p][/quote]I'm afraid I agree. I'll probably get a thumbs down just for saying that. Andy Naylor may be on holiday and TB and DB might be in Portugal at a very important meeting of chairmen and the League (is this where FFP is being discussed?) but The Argus does seem to have been clutching at straws for sometime now and was definitely caught on the hop when the story broke. The Argus is becoming more and more remote with its editorial now being done somewhere down in the West Country and considerable unrest among its journos and other employees. It's fingers on buttons in this industry and I feel the Argus have broken their fingers. Max Ripple
  • Score: -1

9:55am Sun 8 Jun 14

To baldly go says...

He will have to earn the respect of the players from the off, and also the supporters. Like others have posted, it will be interesting to hear what his vision is for the team, style of play etc. Oscar did nothing to engage with the fans and just stood there letting things happen, Finns are also very monotonous in how they speak and come across, I hope SH breaks that mould and jumps around and shows some emotions, passion and desire.
Team wise, my fear is as it is at the moment, we just about have a starting 11 and need to bring in about 10 players, what funds are available and who he can bring in will be interesting. Don't think he will have that many contacts having only played for Liverpool and no involvement outside of that in English football.
A lot to prove and will give him the same support as with all previous managers/coaches, but, he will need to start positively imo to keep the fans onside, lose 3-2 having gone for it, ok, but lose 1-0 playing defensively it won't take long for fans to become disgruntled again.
He will have to earn the respect of the players from the off, and also the supporters. Like others have posted, it will be interesting to hear what his vision is for the team, style of play etc. Oscar did nothing to engage with the fans and just stood there letting things happen, Finns are also very monotonous in how they speak and come across, I hope SH breaks that mould and jumps around and shows some emotions, passion and desire. Team wise, my fear is as it is at the moment, we just about have a starting 11 and need to bring in about 10 players, what funds are available and who he can bring in will be interesting. Don't think he will have that many contacts having only played for Liverpool and no involvement outside of that in English football. A lot to prove and will give him the same support as with all previous managers/coaches, but, he will need to start positively imo to keep the fans onside, lose 3-2 having gone for it, ok, but lose 1-0 playing defensively it won't take long for fans to become disgruntled again. To baldly go
  • Score: -6

10:06am Sun 8 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

My word , people are jumping and critical of someone making a point, that point can be debated without personal comments ..
As for SH , I don't think we can judge him on the players coming in, unless someone at the club actually comes out and says we are doing things differently, I understand that Burke will be the person out there now talent spotting as Day was sacked?
I have a feeling the club are holding back for a big PR event where we announce a academy director , new kit, new manager, at this point I hope TB comes out and explains where we are heading as the ship seems to be missing the direction..
I hope that happens.
My word , people are jumping and critical of someone making a point, that point can be debated without personal comments .. As for SH , I don't think we can judge him on the players coming in, unless someone at the club actually comes out and says we are doing things differently, I understand that Burke will be the person out there now talent spotting as Day was sacked? I have a feeling the club are holding back for a big PR event where we announce a academy director , new kit, new manager, at this point I hope TB comes out and explains where we are heading as the ship seems to be missing the direction.. I hope that happens. mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

11:06am Sun 8 Jun 14

Ellen Street says...

I think it was probably Mullers who commanded the respect of his Albion players by demanding the over-inflated egoists show the team their England caps.Look where he took 'em.UTA.
I think it was probably Mullers who commanded the respect of his Albion players by demanding the over-inflated egoists show the team their England caps.Look where he took 'em.UTA. Ellen Street
  • Score: 4

11:13am Sun 8 Jun 14

mikeygit says...

I agree--damned if they do and damned if they don´t. it is not only this story but the Argus was putting our stories when Gus was here, on a daily basis. But regards Sami and MORE news, I guess the Board are away in Portugal and I would expect a proper press conference not only to introduce Sami formally but maybe on other aspects of the club and maybe even FFP?? Patience guys, it will all come together, do not knock the Club or Sami before they start!!! I would hope and expect things to move on now with a much faster pace. Much for Sami to discuss and do not least get to know his players he has and get a hatful of new players in---no mean task but we have to give him support and trust. We will see where we are and who we have at Xmas and then we can criticize if it is appropriate, lets hope it is positive!! UTA and Sami
I agree--damned if they do and damned if they don´t. it is not only this story but the Argus was putting our stories when Gus was here, on a daily basis. But regards Sami and MORE news, I guess the Board are away in Portugal and I would expect a proper press conference not only to introduce Sami formally but maybe on other aspects of the club and maybe even FFP?? Patience guys, it will all come together, do not knock the Club or Sami before they start!!! I would hope and expect things to move on now with a much faster pace. Much for Sami to discuss and do not least get to know his players he has and get a hatful of new players in---no mean task but we have to give him support and trust. We will see where we are and who we have at Xmas and then we can criticize if it is appropriate, lets hope it is positive!! UTA and Sami mikeygit
  • Score: 11

11:50am Sun 8 Jun 14

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

Sami is Ice fishing in Finland, I'm sure he talk when he gets back.

Note how the Finish Manager quoted in this article says about Sami, "He now has a really good chance to become a very good coach or manager".

The word "become" is very telling. This is what I stated in previous posts regarding Barbers suggestion of the appointment of a high calibre manager. We recruited a high calibre former player yet to prove himeself in management, in the hope he will become a high calibre manager.

Hope Mr Bloom has got it right.
Sami is Ice fishing in Finland, I'm sure he talk when he gets back. Note how the Finish Manager quoted in this article says about Sami, "He now has a really good chance to become a very good coach or manager". The word "become" is very telling. This is what I stated in previous posts regarding Barbers suggestion of the appointment of a high calibre manager. We recruited a high calibre former player yet to prove himeself in management, in the hope he will become a high calibre manager. Hope Mr Bloom has got it right. PressBoxTeaBoy
  • Score: 1

11:54am Sun 8 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Sami is Ice fishing in Finland, I'm sure he talk when he gets back.

Note how the Finish Manager quoted in this article says about Sami, "He now has a really good chance to become a very good coach or manager".

The word "become" is very telling. This is what I stated in previous posts regarding Barbers suggestion of the appointment of a high calibre manager. We recruited a high calibre former player yet to prove himeself in management, in the hope he will become a high calibre manager.

Hope Mr Bloom has got it right.
Nail on head!
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Sami is Ice fishing in Finland, I'm sure he talk when he gets back. Note how the Finish Manager quoted in this article says about Sami, "He now has a really good chance to become a very good coach or manager". The word "become" is very telling. This is what I stated in previous posts regarding Barbers suggestion of the appointment of a high calibre manager. We recruited a high calibre former player yet to prove himeself in management, in the hope he will become a high calibre manager. Hope Mr Bloom has got it right.[/p][/quote]Nail on head! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -3

11:58am Sun 8 Jun 14

To baldly go says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Sami is Ice fishing in Finland, I'm sure he talk when he gets back.

Note how the Finish Manager quoted in this article says about Sami, "He now has a really good chance to become a very good coach or manager".

The word "become" is very telling. This is what I stated in previous posts regarding Barbers suggestion of the appointment of a high calibre manager. We recruited a high calibre former player yet to prove himeself in management, in the hope he will become a high calibre manager.

Hope Mr Bloom has got it right.
Spot on, TB has gambled on this appointment, yes we will all be behind him and the team, but get it wrong and it could turn out disastrous imo.
Thumbs down at the ready!
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Sami is Ice fishing in Finland, I'm sure he talk when he gets back. Note how the Finish Manager quoted in this article says about Sami, "He now has a really good chance to become a very good coach or manager". The word "become" is very telling. This is what I stated in previous posts regarding Barbers suggestion of the appointment of a high calibre manager. We recruited a high calibre former player yet to prove himeself in management, in the hope he will become a high calibre manager. Hope Mr Bloom has got it right.[/p][/quote]Spot on, TB has gambled on this appointment, yes we will all be behind him and the team, but get it wrong and it could turn out disastrous imo. Thumbs down at the ready! To baldly go
  • Score: -10

12:09pm Sun 8 Jun 14

Ellen Street says...

Ellen Street wrote:
I think it was probably Mullers who commanded the respect of his Albion players by demanding the over-inflated egoists show the team their England caps.Look where he took 'em.UTA.
Please remember that Alan Mullery was the most successful manager the Albion have ever had,taking them to the top division and keeping them there.He managed a team that included the best defender we've ever had (Lawrenson) and the best striker (Ward) as well as the best captain (Horton).Wonderful team,unforgettable games.Outstanding achievements.
[quote][p][bold]Ellen Street[/bold] wrote: I think it was probably Mullers who commanded the respect of his Albion players by demanding the over-inflated egoists show the team their England caps.Look where he took 'em.UTA.[/p][/quote]Please remember that Alan Mullery was the most successful manager the Albion have ever had,taking them to the top division and keeping them there.He managed a team that included the best defender we've ever had (Lawrenson) and the best striker (Ward) as well as the best captain (Horton).Wonderful team,unforgettable games.Outstanding achievements. Ellen Street
  • Score: 17

1:26pm Sun 8 Jun 14

The Phantom says...

Ellen Street wrote:
Ellen Street wrote:
I think it was probably Mullers who commanded the respect of his Albion players by demanding the over-inflated egoists show the team their England caps.Look where he took 'em.UTA.
Please remember that Alan Mullery was the most successful manager the Albion have ever had,taking them to the top division and keeping them there.He managed a team that included the best defender we've ever had (Lawrenson) and the best striker (Ward) as well as the best captain (Horton).Wonderful team,unforgettable games.Outstanding achievements.
The sad thing is that if you moved that team and it's achievements on 35 years, there would probably be posts on here about why Ward hasn't scored for three games, why is Andy Rollings playing centre-back, and what does Ken Craggs do......always seems people are more keen nowadays to accentuate the negatives than appreciate the positives. Like you say, unforgettable games and outstanding achievements.
[quote][p][bold]Ellen Street[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ellen Street[/bold] wrote: I think it was probably Mullers who commanded the respect of his Albion players by demanding the over-inflated egoists show the team their England caps.Look where he took 'em.UTA.[/p][/quote]Please remember that Alan Mullery was the most successful manager the Albion have ever had,taking them to the top division and keeping them there.He managed a team that included the best defender we've ever had (Lawrenson) and the best striker (Ward) as well as the best captain (Horton).Wonderful team,unforgettable games.Outstanding achievements.[/p][/quote]The sad thing is that if you moved that team and it's achievements on 35 years, there would probably be posts on here about why Ward hasn't scored for three games, why is Andy Rollings playing centre-back, and what does Ken Craggs do......always seems people are more keen nowadays to accentuate the negatives than appreciate the positives. Like you say, unforgettable games and outstanding achievements. The Phantom
  • Score: 15

1:58pm Sun 8 Jun 14

gordongull says...

It is not unusual for a local newspaper to become persona non grata with a Football Club. The paper's job is to report, and It doesn't take much for egos to be upset.

Is Sami a high calibre Manager?
Another way of wording the question , - Is Tim Sherwood a high calibre Manager?
There was strong support for Sherwood and my impression was that he would have won a vote on this site. If Sherwood is high calibre, then Hyypia is unquestionably so.

I believe Kuusela is right in saying Sami will command respect, and that is half the battle where players are concerned. His high profile, and reputation in the game will be very good for the Club, especially in attracting the players that we need.
I began a comment on a previous thread with, ''Any talk of £5m players is probably over-ambitious''. It referred to one or two earlier comments where such a figure was suggested. In fact it is probably wildly over-ambitious, considering that up to ten new players who are competent at Championship level will be needed.
Wages are a fixed part of the equation, so transfer fees are the only element where savings can be made. I think there could be one or two signings of £1m+ but the rest will be loans and free transfers.
there are teams in all Divisions who are anxious to reduce the wage bill, which will lead to some very favourable loan deals. Also a lot of players have been released, and we should be in a good position to attract the best of those available.
It is not unusual for a local newspaper to become persona non grata with a Football Club. The paper's job is to report, and It doesn't take much for egos to be upset. Is Sami a high calibre Manager? Another way of wording the question , - Is Tim Sherwood a high calibre Manager? There was strong support for Sherwood and my impression was that he would have won a vote on this site. If Sherwood is high calibre, then Hyypia is unquestionably so. I believe Kuusela is right in saying Sami will command respect, and that is half the battle where players are concerned. His high profile, and reputation in the game will be very good for the Club, especially in attracting the players that we need. I began a comment on a previous thread with, ''Any talk of £5m players is probably over-ambitious''. It referred to one or two earlier comments where such a figure was suggested. In fact it is probably wildly over-ambitious, considering that up to ten new players who are competent at Championship level will be needed. Wages are a fixed part of the equation, so transfer fees are the only element where savings can be made. I think there could be one or two signings of £1m+ but the rest will be loans and free transfers. there are teams in all Divisions who are anxious to reduce the wage bill, which will lead to some very favourable loan deals. Also a lot of players have been released, and we should be in a good position to attract the best of those available. gordongull
  • Score: 8

2:46pm Sun 8 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

If Hyypia is a gamble, what end of season table position would those on here deem, a failure.
I am hoping that we see a manager who wants his players to display a certain amount of swagger, have them know, feel and believe they are part of a club destined for big things.
The build from the back passing game is only as good as the thru ball that opens up the defense, so keep the fans happy Sam, sign a creative midfielder.
If Hyypia is a gamble, what end of season table position would those on here deem, a failure. I am hoping that we see a manager who wants his players to display a certain amount of swagger, have them know, feel and believe they are part of a club destined for big things. The build from the back passing game is only as good as the thru ball that opens up the defense, so keep the fans happy Sam, sign a creative midfielder. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

3:29pm Sun 8 Jun 14

ringtone says...

To baldly go wrote:
PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Sami is Ice fishing in Finland, I'm sure he talk when he gets back.

Note how the Finish Manager quoted in this article says about Sami, "He now has a really good chance to become a very good coach or manager".

The word "become" is very telling. This is what I stated in previous posts regarding Barbers suggestion of the appointment of a high calibre manager. We recruited a high calibre former player yet to prove himeself in management, in the hope he will become a high calibre manager.

Hope Mr Bloom has got it right.
Spot on, TB has gambled on this appointment, yes we will all be behind him and the team, but get it wrong and it could turn out disastrous imo.
Thumbs down at the ready!
LoL, and Oscar wasnt a gamble?

To say you know nothing is an insult to those that know nothing.
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Sami is Ice fishing in Finland, I'm sure he talk when he gets back. Note how the Finish Manager quoted in this article says about Sami, "He now has a really good chance to become a very good coach or manager". The word "become" is very telling. This is what I stated in previous posts regarding Barbers suggestion of the appointment of a high calibre manager. We recruited a high calibre former player yet to prove himeself in management, in the hope he will become a high calibre manager. Hope Mr Bloom has got it right.[/p][/quote]Spot on, TB has gambled on this appointment, yes we will all be behind him and the team, but get it wrong and it could turn out disastrous imo. Thumbs down at the ready![/p][/quote]LoL, and Oscar wasnt a gamble? To say you know nothing is an insult to those that know nothing. ringtone
  • Score: -1

3:37pm Sun 8 Jun 14

ringtone says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If Hyypia is a gamble, what end of season table position would those on here deem, a failure.
I am hoping that we see a manager who wants his players to display a certain amount of swagger, have them know, feel and believe they are part of a club destined for big things.
The build from the back passing game is only as good as the thru ball that opens up the defense, so keep the fans happy Sam, sign a creative midfielder.
And keep us happy Vegas

Stay in America

Up Albion.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If Hyypia is a gamble, what end of season table position would those on here deem, a failure. I am hoping that we see a manager who wants his players to display a certain amount of swagger, have them know, feel and believe they are part of a club destined for big things. The build from the back passing game is only as good as the thru ball that opens up the defense, so keep the fans happy Sam, sign a creative midfielder.[/p][/quote]And keep us happy Vegas Stay in America Up Albion. ringtone
  • Score: 0

3:55pm Sun 8 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

TBG I am not sure how it's possible for Hyypia to what might be seen as a, 'good season,' if he doesn't guide us to a place in the top six, I see that as a tad unfair.

If Hyypia is a realist, and I hope he is, he might well see the task of building a top six squad, one also capable of better, could take two seasons. We surely are ten players short as of today, some might put that number even higher, can we really find that many players in just one window. I know we have the january window, but we will need to be challenging at that time, and what about the finances.

My hope is that the new facility naming rights is a bigger deal than any of us might have thought it was. If Hyypia is given the resources it looks like he will need, then I guess we could have a chance at the top two spots, but right now I would take top eight and build over maybe three windows, this one, January and the following year. Quality not quantity.
TBG I am not sure how it's possible for Hyypia to what might be seen as a, 'good season,' if he doesn't guide us to a place in the top six, I see that as a tad unfair. If Hyypia is a realist, and I hope he is, he might well see the task of building a top six squad, one also capable of better, could take two seasons. We surely are ten players short as of today, some might put that number even higher, can we really find that many players in just one window. I know we have the january window, but we will need to be challenging at that time, and what about the finances. My hope is that the new facility naming rights is a bigger deal than any of us might have thought it was. If Hyypia is given the resources it looks like he will need, then I guess we could have a chance at the top two spots, but right now I would take top eight and build over maybe three windows, this one, January and the following year. Quality not quantity. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

4:06pm Sun 8 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

VEGAS England or USA Who you supporting genuine question just wondered if you got residency there or you staying loyal to us!! up the albion!!!!
VEGAS England or USA Who you supporting genuine question just wondered if you got residency there or you staying loyal to us!! up the albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -1

4:06pm Sun 8 Jun 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If Hyypia is a gamble, what end of season table position would those on here deem, a failure.
I am hoping that we see a manager who wants his players to display a certain amount of swagger, have them know, feel and believe they are part of a club destined for big things.
The build from the back passing game is only as good as the thru ball that opens up the defense, so keep the fans happy Sam, sign a creative midfielder.
I think the way we perceive success will depend to a large extent on what resources Sami is provided with. Vegas.
If we assume that we can strengthen the squad to a level comparable with the one that started last season, (minus the injuries), top half would be acceptable.
Top six would have to be considered a success, and top two, an outstanding, though unlikely achievement.
Failure would again depend on resources, but any signs of a flirtation with the relegation places around December would be a cause for some concern.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If Hyypia is a gamble, what end of season table position would those on here deem, a failure. I am hoping that we see a manager who wants his players to display a certain amount of swagger, have them know, feel and believe they are part of a club destined for big things. The build from the back passing game is only as good as the thru ball that opens up the defense, so keep the fans happy Sam, sign a creative midfielder.[/p][/quote]I think the way we perceive success will depend to a large extent on what resources Sami is provided with. Vegas. If we assume that we can strengthen the squad to a level comparable with the one that started last season, (minus the injuries), top half would be acceptable. Top six would have to be considered a success, and top two, an outstanding, though unlikely achievement. Failure would again depend on resources, but any signs of a flirtation with the relegation places around December would be a cause for some concern. gordongull
  • Score: 0

4:13pm Sun 8 Jun 14

ringtone says...

The new training facility at Lancing is a white elephant.

Our best team who got to the first division and the fa cup final, trained on Hove Park.

You have got to spend many millions if you want break the premiership top four cartel.

Up Albion
The new training facility at Lancing is a white elephant. Our best team who got to the first division and the fa cup final, trained on Hove Park. You have got to spend many millions if you want break the premiership top four cartel. Up Albion ringtone
  • Score: -6

4:28pm Sun 8 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

JeffLomer wrote:
VEGAS England or USA Who you supporting genuine question just wondered if you got residency there or you staying loyal to us!! up the albion!!!!
England over any team, USA when it has no effect on us. I am resident but could take citizenship, but why would I.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: VEGAS England or USA Who you supporting genuine question just wondered if you got residency there or you staying loyal to us!! up the albion!!!![/p][/quote]England over any team, USA when it has no effect on us. I am resident but could take citizenship, but why would I. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

4:39pm Sun 8 Jun 14

To baldly go says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
TBG I am not sure how it's possible for Hyypia to what might be seen as a, 'good season,' if he doesn't guide us to a place in the top six, I see that as a tad unfair.

If Hyypia is a realist, and I hope he is, he might well see the task of building a top six squad, one also capable of better, could take two seasons. We surely are ten players short as of today, some might put that number even higher, can we really find that many players in just one window. I know we have the january window, but we will need to be challenging at that time, and what about the finances.

My hope is that the new facility naming rights is a bigger deal than any of us might have thought it was. If Hyypia is given the resources it looks like he will need, then I guess we could have a chance at the top two spots, but right now I would take top eight and build over maybe three windows, this one, January and the following year. Quality not quantity.
Vegas, I would be quite happy if we get top 10 in his first season, for me personally, it will be how we get there, if we play well and score goals great, win or lose, but towards the end of last season, believe me, it was frustrating to say the least. With Poyet the game was very good to watch, Oscar inherited that team, but due to the injuries he was restricted in how the team could play and had little backing imo. That team has now broken up and for me Hypia has to build a team, yes the nucleus is there but it's who comes in that will define where we get to. I cannot see him getting the resources needed to get top 2 in all honesty, if the money had been there we would have used it last season imo and Oscar would still be here.
Quality comes at a price, a price we are not prepared to pay at the moment, be it fees or wages, and that is a good strategy for a stable club, if Ulloa was to go for the £6/7m being quoted that would be of more benefit than hanging on to him imo. It would give us funds for the rebuild, bring a few players in, get some youngsters through the academy and a season under his belt then as you say push on following season.
Just being honest for next season, would love us to be in the mix but just don't see it at the moment, we will see who comes in before season starts and have a better idea, but with all the parachute payment teams about and a couple more that will try and spend their way to promotion it's going to be a big ask. Not being negative, just realistic with my thoughts. UTA
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: TBG I am not sure how it's possible for Hyypia to what might be seen as a, 'good season,' if he doesn't guide us to a place in the top six, I see that as a tad unfair. If Hyypia is a realist, and I hope he is, he might well see the task of building a top six squad, one also capable of better, could take two seasons. We surely are ten players short as of today, some might put that number even higher, can we really find that many players in just one window. I know we have the january window, but we will need to be challenging at that time, and what about the finances. My hope is that the new facility naming rights is a bigger deal than any of us might have thought it was. If Hyypia is given the resources it looks like he will need, then I guess we could have a chance at the top two spots, but right now I would take top eight and build over maybe three windows, this one, January and the following year. Quality not quantity.[/p][/quote]Vegas, I would be quite happy if we get top 10 in his first season, for me personally, it will be how we get there, if we play well and score goals great, win or lose, but towards the end of last season, believe me, it was frustrating to say the least. With Poyet the game was very good to watch, Oscar inherited that team, but due to the injuries he was restricted in how the team could play and had little backing imo. That team has now broken up and for me Hypia has to build a team, yes the nucleus is there but it's who comes in that will define where we get to. I cannot see him getting the resources needed to get top 2 in all honesty, if the money had been there we would have used it last season imo and Oscar would still be here. Quality comes at a price, a price we are not prepared to pay at the moment, be it fees or wages, and that is a good strategy for a stable club, if Ulloa was to go for the £6/7m being quoted that would be of more benefit than hanging on to him imo. It would give us funds for the rebuild, bring a few players in, get some youngsters through the academy and a season under his belt then as you say push on following season. Just being honest for next season, would love us to be in the mix but just don't see it at the moment, we will see who comes in before season starts and have a better idea, but with all the parachute payment teams about and a couple more that will try and spend their way to promotion it's going to be a big ask. Not being negative, just realistic with my thoughts. UTA To baldly go
  • Score: 7

4:39pm Sun 8 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
If Hyypia is a gamble, what end of season table position would those on here deem, a failure.
I am hoping that we see a manager who wants his players to display a certain amount of swagger, have them know, feel and believe they are part of a club destined for big things.
The build from the back passing game is only as good as the thru ball that opens up the defense, so keep the fans happy Sam, sign a creative midfielder.
I think the way we perceive success will depend to a large extent on what resources Sami is provided with. Vegas.
If we assume that we can strengthen the squad to a level comparable with the one that started last season, (minus the injuries), top half would be acceptable.
Top six would have to be considered a success, and top two, an outstanding, though unlikely achievement.
Failure would again depend on resources, but any signs of a flirtation with the relegation places around December would be a cause for some concern.
Without a competitive budget hyypia is on a hiding from the fans,but in reality give him the tools and allow people to judge him after,
Big question is keeper, speroni wants 25k a week, palace offered him 20k
I suppose a budget less than 10 million including wages for 10 players will be competitive .
No one can judge him unless he gets the backing from the board
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If Hyypia is a gamble, what end of season table position would those on here deem, a failure. I am hoping that we see a manager who wants his players to display a certain amount of swagger, have them know, feel and believe they are part of a club destined for big things. The build from the back passing game is only as good as the thru ball that opens up the defense, so keep the fans happy Sam, sign a creative midfielder.[/p][/quote]I think the way we perceive success will depend to a large extent on what resources Sami is provided with. Vegas. If we assume that we can strengthen the squad to a level comparable with the one that started last season, (minus the injuries), top half would be acceptable. Top six would have to be considered a success, and top two, an outstanding, though unlikely achievement. Failure would again depend on resources, but any signs of a flirtation with the relegation places around December would be a cause for some concern.[/p][/quote]Without a competitive budget hyypia is on a hiding from the fans,but in reality give him the tools and allow people to judge him after, Big question is keeper, speroni wants 25k a week, palace offered him 20k I suppose a budget less than 10 million including wages for 10 players will be competitive . No one can judge him unless he gets the backing from the board mark by the sea
  • Score: 9

4:39pm Sun 8 Jun 14

7Rookie says...

Enjoy reading some of the comments about the Argus when the original press statement clearly said that Sami will be presented to the media on Monday at the new training ground.
What do people expect them to do prior to that, especially as the news he was boss only broke late Friday.
Enjoy reading some of the comments about the Argus when the original press statement clearly said that Sami will be presented to the media on Monday at the new training ground. What do people expect them to do prior to that, especially as the news he was boss only broke late Friday. 7Rookie
  • Score: 13

4:50pm Sun 8 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

To baldly go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
TBG I am not sure how it's possible for Hyypia to what might be seen as a, 'good season,' if he doesn't guide us to a place in the top six, I see that as a tad unfair.

If Hyypia is a realist, and I hope he is, he might well see the task of building a top six squad, one also capable of better, could take two seasons. We surely are ten players short as of today, some might put that number even higher, can we really find that many players in just one window. I know we have the january window, but we will need to be challenging at that time, and what about the finances.

My hope is that the new facility naming rights is a bigger deal than any of us might have thought it was. If Hyypia is given the resources it looks like he will need, then I guess we could have a chance at the top two spots, but right now I would take top eight and build over maybe three windows, this one, January and the following year. Quality not quantity.
Vegas, I would be quite happy if we get top 10 in his first season, for me personally, it will be how we get there, if we play well and score goals great, win or lose, but towards the end of last season, believe me, it was frustrating to say the least. With Poyet the game was very good to watch, Oscar inherited that team, but due to the injuries he was restricted in how the team could play and had little backing imo. That team has now broken up and for me Hypia has to build a team, yes the nucleus is there but it's who comes in that will define where we get to. I cannot see him getting the resources needed to get top 2 in all honesty, if the money had been there we would have used it last season imo and Oscar would still be here.
Quality comes at a price, a price we are not prepared to pay at the moment, be it fees or wages, and that is a good strategy for a stable club, if Ulloa was to go for the £6/7m being quoted that would be of more benefit than hanging on to him imo. It would give us funds for the rebuild, bring a few players in, get some youngsters through the academy and a season under his belt then as you say push on following season.
Just being honest for next season, would love us to be in the mix but just don't see it at the moment, we will see who comes in before season starts and have a better idea, but with all the parachute payment teams about and a couple more that will try and spend their way to promotion it's going to be a big ask. Not being negative, just realistic with my thoughts. UTA
it seems you and I pretty much agree on the season ahead. We could all be in for a surprise, this season could be amazing, we just don't know. One question I am waiting to see answerd is, will Hyypia show the exit door to any of the remaining squad, Greer, Bruno and Calde, are they safe.
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: TBG I am not sure how it's possible for Hyypia to what might be seen as a, 'good season,' if he doesn't guide us to a place in the top six, I see that as a tad unfair. If Hyypia is a realist, and I hope he is, he might well see the task of building a top six squad, one also capable of better, could take two seasons. We surely are ten players short as of today, some might put that number even higher, can we really find that many players in just one window. I know we have the january window, but we will need to be challenging at that time, and what about the finances. My hope is that the new facility naming rights is a bigger deal than any of us might have thought it was. If Hyypia is given the resources it looks like he will need, then I guess we could have a chance at the top two spots, but right now I would take top eight and build over maybe three windows, this one, January and the following year. Quality not quantity.[/p][/quote]Vegas, I would be quite happy if we get top 10 in his first season, for me personally, it will be how we get there, if we play well and score goals great, win or lose, but towards the end of last season, believe me, it was frustrating to say the least. With Poyet the game was very good to watch, Oscar inherited that team, but due to the injuries he was restricted in how the team could play and had little backing imo. That team has now broken up and for me Hypia has to build a team, yes the nucleus is there but it's who comes in that will define where we get to. I cannot see him getting the resources needed to get top 2 in all honesty, if the money had been there we would have used it last season imo and Oscar would still be here. Quality comes at a price, a price we are not prepared to pay at the moment, be it fees or wages, and that is a good strategy for a stable club, if Ulloa was to go for the £6/7m being quoted that would be of more benefit than hanging on to him imo. It would give us funds for the rebuild, bring a few players in, get some youngsters through the academy and a season under his belt then as you say push on following season. Just being honest for next season, would love us to be in the mix but just don't see it at the moment, we will see who comes in before season starts and have a better idea, but with all the parachute payment teams about and a couple more that will try and spend their way to promotion it's going to be a big ask. Not being negative, just realistic with my thoughts. UTA[/p][/quote]it seems you and I pretty much agree on the season ahead. We could all be in for a surprise, this season could be amazing, we just don't know. One question I am waiting to see answerd is, will Hyypia show the exit door to any of the remaining squad, Greer, Bruno and Calde, are they safe. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

4:50pm Sun 8 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Good post, To baldly go.
Some of the contributors to this site have trouble separating the meanings of realism and negativity, so don't be surprised if there is a flurry of activity on the minus button!
Good post, To baldly go. Some of the contributors to this site have trouble separating the meanings of realism and negativity, so don't be surprised if there is a flurry of activity on the minus button! gordongull
  • Score: 2

4:54pm Sun 8 Jun 14

Gee Jay says...

If Sami brings the qualities he showed on the pitch when he played for Liverpool and combines that with a German football ethic, then I will be Hyypia than you could ever know.
If Sami brings the qualities he showed on the pitch when he played for Liverpool and combines that with a German football ethic, then I will be Hyypia than you could ever know. Gee Jay
  • Score: 7

5:02pm Sun 8 Jun 14

7Rookie says...

7Rookie wrote:
Enjoy reading some of the comments about the Argus when the original press statement clearly said that Sami will be presented to the media on Monday at the new training ground.
What do people expect them to do prior to that, especially as the news he was boss only broke late Friday.
Looks like I read the statement wrong, its next week. Hyypia due in Brighton on Thursday.
[quote][p][bold]7Rookie[/bold] wrote: Enjoy reading some of the comments about the Argus when the original press statement clearly said that Sami will be presented to the media on Monday at the new training ground. What do people expect them to do prior to that, especially as the news he was boss only broke late Friday.[/p][/quote]Looks like I read the statement wrong, its next week. Hyypia due in Brighton on Thursday. 7Rookie
  • Score: 2

5:14pm Sun 8 Jun 14

mikeygit says...

Vegas--interesting what you ask about who Sami may show the door. I would be disappointed if Calde went as he has other very good qualities other than as a player. he would be good for younger players as a role model--how to conduct oneself, maybe a role in The Community---he seems so loyal to BHA---a rare quality these days. the majority of society today neither gives or gets loyalty.
Vegas--interesting what you ask about who Sami may show the door. I would be disappointed if Calde went as he has other very good qualities other than as a player. he would be good for younger players as a role model--how to conduct oneself, maybe a role in The Community---he seems so loyal to BHA---a rare quality these days. the majority of society today neither gives or gets loyalty. mikeygit
  • Score: 4

5:18pm Sun 8 Jun 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
TBG I am not sure how it's possible for Hyypia to what might be seen as a, 'good season,' if he doesn't guide us to a place in the top six, I see that as a tad unfair.

If Hyypia is a realist, and I hope he is, he might well see the task of building a top six squad, one also capable of better, could take two seasons. We surely are ten players short as of today, some might put that number even higher, can we really find that many players in just one window. I know we have the january window, but we will need to be challenging at that time, and what about the finances.

My hope is that the new facility naming rights is a bigger deal than any of us might have thought it was. If Hyypia is given the resources it looks like he will need, then I guess we could have a chance at the top two spots, but right now I would take top eight and build over maybe three windows, this one, January and the following year. Quality not quantity.
Vegas, I would be quite happy if we get top 10 in his first season, for me personally, it will be how we get there, if we play well and score goals great, win or lose, but towards the end of last season, believe me, it was frustrating to say the least. With Poyet the game was very good to watch, Oscar inherited that team, but due to the injuries he was restricted in how the team could play and had little backing imo. That team has now broken up and for me Hypia has to build a team, yes the nucleus is there but it's who comes in that will define where we get to. I cannot see him getting the resources needed to get top 2 in all honesty, if the money had been there we would have used it last season imo and Oscar would still be here.
Quality comes at a price, a price we are not prepared to pay at the moment, be it fees or wages, and that is a good strategy for a stable club, if Ulloa was to go for the £6/7m being quoted that would be of more benefit than hanging on to him imo. It would give us funds for the rebuild, bring a few players in, get some youngsters through the academy and a season under his belt then as you say push on following season.
Just being honest for next season, would love us to be in the mix but just don't see it at the moment, we will see who comes in before season starts and have a better idea, but with all the parachute payment teams about and a couple more that will try and spend their way to promotion it's going to be a big ask. Not being negative, just realistic with my thoughts. UTA
it seems you and I pretty much agree on the season ahead. We could all be in for a surprise, this season could be amazing, we just don't know. One question I am waiting to see answerd is, will Hyypia show the exit door to any of the remaining squad, Greer, Bruno and Calde, are they safe.
With his vast experience at centre back SH will be particularly looking at the goalkeepers and the entire back four in the first instance as we all know that most successful teams are built from the back.Messrs.Greer,Du
nk etc will be looking over their shoulders in more ways than one-literally!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: TBG I am not sure how it's possible for Hyypia to what might be seen as a, 'good season,' if he doesn't guide us to a place in the top six, I see that as a tad unfair. If Hyypia is a realist, and I hope he is, he might well see the task of building a top six squad, one also capable of better, could take two seasons. We surely are ten players short as of today, some might put that number even higher, can we really find that many players in just one window. I know we have the january window, but we will need to be challenging at that time, and what about the finances. My hope is that the new facility naming rights is a bigger deal than any of us might have thought it was. If Hyypia is given the resources it looks like he will need, then I guess we could have a chance at the top two spots, but right now I would take top eight and build over maybe three windows, this one, January and the following year. Quality not quantity.[/p][/quote]Vegas, I would be quite happy if we get top 10 in his first season, for me personally, it will be how we get there, if we play well and score goals great, win or lose, but towards the end of last season, believe me, it was frustrating to say the least. With Poyet the game was very good to watch, Oscar inherited that team, but due to the injuries he was restricted in how the team could play and had little backing imo. That team has now broken up and for me Hypia has to build a team, yes the nucleus is there but it's who comes in that will define where we get to. I cannot see him getting the resources needed to get top 2 in all honesty, if the money had been there we would have used it last season imo and Oscar would still be here. Quality comes at a price, a price we are not prepared to pay at the moment, be it fees or wages, and that is a good strategy for a stable club, if Ulloa was to go for the £6/7m being quoted that would be of more benefit than hanging on to him imo. It would give us funds for the rebuild, bring a few players in, get some youngsters through the academy and a season under his belt then as you say push on following season. Just being honest for next season, would love us to be in the mix but just don't see it at the moment, we will see who comes in before season starts and have a better idea, but with all the parachute payment teams about and a couple more that will try and spend their way to promotion it's going to be a big ask. Not being negative, just realistic with my thoughts. UTA[/p][/quote]it seems you and I pretty much agree on the season ahead. We could all be in for a surprise, this season could be amazing, we just don't know. One question I am waiting to see answerd is, will Hyypia show the exit door to any of the remaining squad, Greer, Bruno and Calde, are they safe.[/p][/quote]With his vast experience at centre back SH will be particularly looking at the goalkeepers and the entire back four in the first instance as we all know that most successful teams are built from the back.Messrs.Greer,Du nk etc will be looking over their shoulders in more ways than one-literally! SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 1

5:51pm Sun 8 Jun 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
TBG I am not sure how it's possible for Hyypia to what might be seen as a, 'good season,' if he doesn't guide us to a place in the top six, I see that as a tad unfair.

If Hyypia is a realist, and I hope he is, he might well see the task of building a top six squad, one also capable of better, could take two seasons. We surely are ten players short as of today, some might put that number even higher, can we really find that many players in just one window. I know we have the january window, but we will need to be challenging at that time, and what about the finances.

My hope is that the new facility naming rights is a bigger deal than any of us might have thought it was. If Hyypia is given the resources it looks like he will need, then I guess we could have a chance at the top two spots, but right now I would take top eight and build over maybe three windows, this one, January and the following year. Quality not quantity.
Vegas, I would be quite happy if we get top 10 in his first season, for me personally, it will be how we get there, if we play well and score goals great, win or lose, but towards the end of last season, believe me, it was frustrating to say the least. With Poyet the game was very good to watch, Oscar inherited that team, but due to the injuries he was restricted in how the team could play and had little backing imo. That team has now broken up and for me Hypia has to build a team, yes the nucleus is there but it's who comes in that will define where we get to. I cannot see him getting the resources needed to get top 2 in all honesty, if the money had been there we would have used it last season imo and Oscar would still be here.
Quality comes at a price, a price we are not prepared to pay at the moment, be it fees or wages, and that is a good strategy for a stable club, if Ulloa was to go for the £6/7m being quoted that would be of more benefit than hanging on to him imo. It would give us funds for the rebuild, bring a few players in, get some youngsters through the academy and a season under his belt then as you say push on following season.
Just being honest for next season, would love us to be in the mix but just don't see it at the moment, we will see who comes in before season starts and have a better idea, but with all the parachute payment teams about and a couple more that will try and spend their way to promotion it's going to be a big ask. Not being negative, just realistic with my thoughts. UTA
it seems you and I pretty much agree on the season ahead. We could all be in for a surprise, this season could be amazing, we just don't know. One question I am waiting to see answerd is, will Hyypia show the exit door to any of the remaining squad, Greer, Bruno and Calde, are they safe.
Vegas till he knows what amount of money,and what say he has in on sigings, do not think he has much choice.

This is not 5 a side,Albion do not no way have a side to compete for a middle of the road let alone top position.

The clock is ticking.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: TBG I am not sure how it's possible for Hyypia to what might be seen as a, 'good season,' if he doesn't guide us to a place in the top six, I see that as a tad unfair. If Hyypia is a realist, and I hope he is, he might well see the task of building a top six squad, one also capable of better, could take two seasons. We surely are ten players short as of today, some might put that number even higher, can we really find that many players in just one window. I know we have the january window, but we will need to be challenging at that time, and what about the finances. My hope is that the new facility naming rights is a bigger deal than any of us might have thought it was. If Hyypia is given the resources it looks like he will need, then I guess we could have a chance at the top two spots, but right now I would take top eight and build over maybe three windows, this one, January and the following year. Quality not quantity.[/p][/quote]Vegas, I would be quite happy if we get top 10 in his first season, for me personally, it will be how we get there, if we play well and score goals great, win or lose, but towards the end of last season, believe me, it was frustrating to say the least. With Poyet the game was very good to watch, Oscar inherited that team, but due to the injuries he was restricted in how the team could play and had little backing imo. That team has now broken up and for me Hypia has to build a team, yes the nucleus is there but it's who comes in that will define where we get to. I cannot see him getting the resources needed to get top 2 in all honesty, if the money had been there we would have used it last season imo and Oscar would still be here. Quality comes at a price, a price we are not prepared to pay at the moment, be it fees or wages, and that is a good strategy for a stable club, if Ulloa was to go for the £6/7m being quoted that would be of more benefit than hanging on to him imo. It would give us funds for the rebuild, bring a few players in, get some youngsters through the academy and a season under his belt then as you say push on following season. Just being honest for next season, would love us to be in the mix but just don't see it at the moment, we will see who comes in before season starts and have a better idea, but with all the parachute payment teams about and a couple more that will try and spend their way to promotion it's going to be a big ask. Not being negative, just realistic with my thoughts. UTA[/p][/quote]it seems you and I pretty much agree on the season ahead. We could all be in for a surprise, this season could be amazing, we just don't know. One question I am waiting to see answerd is, will Hyypia show the exit door to any of the remaining squad, Greer, Bruno and Calde, are they safe.[/p][/quote]Vegas till he knows what amount of money,and what say he has in on sigings, do not think he has much choice. This is not 5 a side,Albion do not no way have a side to compete for a middle of the road let alone top position. The clock is ticking. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -1

5:56pm Sun 8 Jun 14

gordongull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
If Hyypia is a gamble, what end of season table position would those on here deem, a failure.
I am hoping that we see a manager who wants his players to display a certain amount of swagger, have them know, feel and believe they are part of a club destined for big things.
The build from the back passing game is only as good as the thru ball that opens up the defense, so keep the fans happy Sam, sign a creative midfielder.
I think the way we perceive success will depend to a large extent on what resources Sami is provided with. Vegas.
If we assume that we can strengthen the squad to a level comparable with the one that started last season, (minus the injuries), top half would be acceptable.
Top six would have to be considered a success, and top two, an outstanding, though unlikely achievement.
Failure would again depend on resources, but any signs of a flirtation with the relegation places around December would be a cause for some concern.
Without a competitive budget hyypia is on a hiding from the fans,but in reality give him the tools and allow people to judge him after,
Big question is keeper, speroni wants 25k a week, palace offered him 20k
I suppose a budget less than 10 million including wages for 10 players will be competitive .
No one can judge him unless he gets the backing from the board
If there are any good Finnish 'keepers around, Sami could be the man with the contacts.
Younger versions of Antti Niemi or Jussi Jaaskelainen would be useful.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If Hyypia is a gamble, what end of season table position would those on here deem, a failure. I am hoping that we see a manager who wants his players to display a certain amount of swagger, have them know, feel and believe they are part of a club destined for big things. The build from the back passing game is only as good as the thru ball that opens up the defense, so keep the fans happy Sam, sign a creative midfielder.[/p][/quote]I think the way we perceive success will depend to a large extent on what resources Sami is provided with. Vegas. If we assume that we can strengthen the squad to a level comparable with the one that started last season, (minus the injuries), top half would be acceptable. Top six would have to be considered a success, and top two, an outstanding, though unlikely achievement. Failure would again depend on resources, but any signs of a flirtation with the relegation places around December would be a cause for some concern.[/p][/quote]Without a competitive budget hyypia is on a hiding from the fans,but in reality give him the tools and allow people to judge him after, Big question is keeper, speroni wants 25k a week, palace offered him 20k I suppose a budget less than 10 million including wages for 10 players will be competitive . No one can judge him unless he gets the backing from the board[/p][/quote]If there are any good Finnish 'keepers around, Sami could be the man with the contacts. Younger versions of Antti Niemi or Jussi Jaaskelainen would be useful. gordongull
  • Score: 1

5:59pm Sun 8 Jun 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
TBG I am not sure how it's possible for Hyypia to what might be seen as a, 'good season,' if he doesn't guide us to a place in the top six, I see that as a tad unfair.

If Hyypia is a realist, and I hope he is, he might well see the task of building a top six squad, one also capable of better, could take two seasons. We surely are ten players short as of today, some might put that number even higher, can we really find that many players in just one window. I know we have the january window, but we will need to be challenging at that time, and what about the finances.

My hope is that the new facility naming rights is a bigger deal than any of us might have thought it was. If Hyypia is given the resources it looks like he will need, then I guess we could have a chance at the top two spots, but right now I would take top eight and build over maybe three windows, this one, January and the following year. Quality not quantity.
But there is a five year plan to get to the premier league and that will push that back, my concern is that Bloom said that because we are relying on the money that promotion brings, if it takes longer then what will it mean? I just hope this is the season we go up, and it could be that we need to. It's not right to put pressure on Hyypia to get us promoted this season but he may be under pressure from Bloom. Another season in the championship may set us further back on the plan, just worry that promotion might be more urgent than we realise.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: TBG I am not sure how it's possible for Hyypia to what might be seen as a, 'good season,' if he doesn't guide us to a place in the top six, I see that as a tad unfair. If Hyypia is a realist, and I hope he is, he might well see the task of building a top six squad, one also capable of better, could take two seasons. We surely are ten players short as of today, some might put that number even higher, can we really find that many players in just one window. I know we have the january window, but we will need to be challenging at that time, and what about the finances. My hope is that the new facility naming rights is a bigger deal than any of us might have thought it was. If Hyypia is given the resources it looks like he will need, then I guess we could have a chance at the top two spots, but right now I would take top eight and build over maybe three windows, this one, January and the following year. Quality not quantity.[/p][/quote]But there is a five year plan to get to the premier league and that will push that back, my concern is that Bloom said that because we are relying on the money that promotion brings, if it takes longer then what will it mean? I just hope this is the season we go up, and it could be that we need to. It's not right to put pressure on Hyypia to get us promoted this season but he may be under pressure from Bloom. Another season in the championship may set us further back on the plan, just worry that promotion might be more urgent than we realise. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 1

6:02pm Sun 8 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
TBG I am not sure how it's possible for Hyypia to what might be seen as a, 'good season,' if he doesn't guide us to a place in the top six, I see that as a tad unfair.

If Hyypia is a realist, and I hope he is, he might well see the task of building a top six squad, one also capable of better, could take two seasons. We surely are ten players short as of today, some might put that number even higher, can we really find that many players in just one window. I know we have the january window, but we will need to be challenging at that time, and what about the finances.

My hope is that the new facility naming rights is a bigger deal than any of us might have thought it was. If Hyypia is given the resources it looks like he will need, then I guess we could have a chance at the top two spots, but right now I would take top eight and build over maybe three windows, this one, January and the following year. Quality not quantity.
Vegas, I would be quite happy if we get top 10 in his first season, for me personally, it will be how we get there, if we play well and score goals great, win or lose, but towards the end of last season, believe me, it was frustrating to say the least. With Poyet the game was very good to watch, Oscar inherited that team, but due to the injuries he was restricted in how the team could play and had little backing imo. That team has now broken up and for me Hypia has to build a team, yes the nucleus is there but it's who comes in that will define where we get to. I cannot see him getting the resources needed to get top 2 in all honesty, if the money had been there we would have used it last season imo and Oscar would still be here.
Quality comes at a price, a price we are not prepared to pay at the moment, be it fees or wages, and that is a good strategy for a stable club, if Ulloa was to go for the £6/7m being quoted that would be of more benefit than hanging on to him imo. It would give us funds for the rebuild, bring a few players in, get some youngsters through the academy and a season under his belt then as you say push on following season.
Just being honest for next season, would love us to be in the mix but just don't see it at the moment, we will see who comes in before season starts and have a better idea, but with all the parachute payment teams about and a couple more that will try and spend their way to promotion it's going to be a big ask. Not being negative, just realistic with my thoughts. UTA
it seems you and I pretty much agree on the season ahead. We could all be in for a surprise, this season could be amazing, we just don't know. One question I am waiting to see answerd is, will Hyypia show the exit door to any of the remaining squad, Greer, Bruno and Calde, are they safe.
Vegas till he knows what amount of money,and what say he has in on sigings, do not think he has much choice.

This is not 5 a side,Albion do not no way have a side to compete for a middle of the road let alone top position.

The clock is ticking.
the first part of your comment would surely have been sorted prior to Hyypia joining us. To the second part, what team are you saying are not good enough, the one made up from the remnants of last season's squad, or the one that will start the season, the one we have no idea about at this time.
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: TBG I am not sure how it's possible for Hyypia to what might be seen as a, 'good season,' if he doesn't guide us to a place in the top six, I see that as a tad unfair. If Hyypia is a realist, and I hope he is, he might well see the task of building a top six squad, one also capable of better, could take two seasons. We surely are ten players short as of today, some might put that number even higher, can we really find that many players in just one window. I know we have the january window, but we will need to be challenging at that time, and what about the finances. My hope is that the new facility naming rights is a bigger deal than any of us might have thought it was. If Hyypia is given the resources it looks like he will need, then I guess we could have a chance at the top two spots, but right now I would take top eight and build over maybe three windows, this one, January and the following year. Quality not quantity.[/p][/quote]Vegas, I would be quite happy if we get top 10 in his first season, for me personally, it will be how we get there, if we play well and score goals great, win or lose, but towards the end of last season, believe me, it was frustrating to say the least. With Poyet the game was very good to watch, Oscar inherited that team, but due to the injuries he was restricted in how the team could play and had little backing imo. That team has now broken up and for me Hypia has to build a team, yes the nucleus is there but it's who comes in that will define where we get to. I cannot see him getting the resources needed to get top 2 in all honesty, if the money had been there we would have used it last season imo and Oscar would still be here. Quality comes at a price, a price we are not prepared to pay at the moment, be it fees or wages, and that is a good strategy for a stable club, if Ulloa was to go for the £6/7m being quoted that would be of more benefit than hanging on to him imo. It would give us funds for the rebuild, bring a few players in, get some youngsters through the academy and a season under his belt then as you say push on following season. Just being honest for next season, would love us to be in the mix but just don't see it at the moment, we will see who comes in before season starts and have a better idea, but with all the parachute payment teams about and a couple more that will try and spend their way to promotion it's going to be a big ask. Not being negative, just realistic with my thoughts. UTA[/p][/quote]it seems you and I pretty much agree on the season ahead. We could all be in for a surprise, this season could be amazing, we just don't know. One question I am waiting to see answerd is, will Hyypia show the exit door to any of the remaining squad, Greer, Bruno and Calde, are they safe.[/p][/quote]Vegas till he knows what amount of money,and what say he has in on sigings, do not think he has much choice. This is not 5 a side,Albion do not no way have a side to compete for a middle of the road let alone top position. The clock is ticking.[/p][/quote]the first part of your comment would surely have been sorted prior to Hyypia joining us. To the second part, what team are you saying are not good enough, the one made up from the remnants of last season's squad, or the one that will start the season, the one we have no idea about at this time. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

6:13pm Sun 8 Jun 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
TBG I am not sure how it's possible for Hyypia to what might be seen as a, 'good season,' if he doesn't guide us to a place in the top six, I see that as a tad unfair.

If Hyypia is a realist, and I hope he is, he might well see the task of building a top six squad, one also capable of better, could take two seasons. We surely are ten players short as of today, some might put that number even higher, can we really find that many players in just one window. I know we have the january window, but we will need to be challenging at that time, and what about the finances.

My hope is that the new facility naming rights is a bigger deal than any of us might have thought it was. If Hyypia is given the resources it looks like he will need, then I guess we could have a chance at the top two spots, but right now I would take top eight and build over maybe three windows, this one, January and the following year. Quality not quantity.
But there is a five year plan to get to the premier league and that will push that back, my concern is that Bloom said that because we are relying on the money that promotion brings, if it takes longer then what will it mean? I just hope this is the season we go up, and it could be that we need to. It's not right to put pressure on Hyypia to get us promoted this season but he may be under pressure from Bloom. Another season in the championship may set us further back on the plan, just worry that promotion might be more urgent than we realise.
5 year plan WAS ok 3 years ago,Dyke's plan for B league might not go,but he will be back with a new plan(plans).League 1 and 2 are happy with a seed feed.

The para drops payements from 4 to 2 years,and i can see it coming only ONE team being ALLOWED to loin the elite.
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: TBG I am not sure how it's possible for Hyypia to what might be seen as a, 'good season,' if he doesn't guide us to a place in the top six, I see that as a tad unfair. If Hyypia is a realist, and I hope he is, he might well see the task of building a top six squad, one also capable of better, could take two seasons. We surely are ten players short as of today, some might put that number even higher, can we really find that many players in just one window. I know we have the january window, but we will need to be challenging at that time, and what about the finances. My hope is that the new facility naming rights is a bigger deal than any of us might have thought it was. If Hyypia is given the resources it looks like he will need, then I guess we could have a chance at the top two spots, but right now I would take top eight and build over maybe three windows, this one, January and the following year. Quality not quantity.[/p][/quote]But there is a five year plan to get to the premier league and that will push that back, my concern is that Bloom said that because we are relying on the money that promotion brings, if it takes longer then what will it mean? I just hope this is the season we go up, and it could be that we need to. It's not right to put pressure on Hyypia to get us promoted this season but he may be under pressure from Bloom. Another season in the championship may set us further back on the plan, just worry that promotion might be more urgent than we realise.[/p][/quote]5 year plan WAS ok 3 years ago,Dyke's plan for B league might not go,but he will be back with a new plan(plans).League 1 and 2 are happy with a seed feed. The para drops payements from 4 to 2 years,and i can see it coming only ONE team being ALLOWED to loin the elite. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -1

6:14pm Sun 8 Jun 14

pjwilk says...

Cant be bothered to worry myself about the manager or the team,I will just let those who are paid big money to get on with earning there money and to bring us success and promotion.If not we will roar again.
Cant be bothered to worry myself about the manager or the team,I will just let those who are paid big money to get on with earning there money and to bring us success and promotion.If not we will roar again. pjwilk
  • Score: -1

6:22pm Sun 8 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Finnish goalkeepers reminded me of the guy who phoned Talksport wanting to know why Antti Niemi had not been considered for the Scottish national team after three great seasons at Hearts.
Arthur Albiston who was co-presenting the show said, ''Niemi is Finnish.''
The guy replied, ''How can he be finished, he's only 28!''
Finnish goalkeepers reminded me of the guy who phoned Talksport wanting to know why Antti Niemi had not been considered for the Scottish national team after three great seasons at Hearts. Arthur Albiston who was co-presenting the show said, ''Niemi is Finnish.'' The guy replied, ''How can he be finished, he's only 28!'' gordongull
  • Score: 1

6:27pm Sun 8 Jun 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
TBG I am not sure how it's possible for Hyypia to what might be seen as a, 'good season,' if he doesn't guide us to a place in the top six, I see that as a tad unfair.

If Hyypia is a realist, and I hope he is, he might well see the task of building a top six squad, one also capable of better, could take two seasons. We surely are ten players short as of today, some might put that number even higher, can we really find that many players in just one window. I know we have the january window, but we will need to be challenging at that time, and what about the finances.

My hope is that the new facility naming rights is a bigger deal than any of us might have thought it was. If Hyypia is given the resources it looks like he will need, then I guess we could have a chance at the top two spots, but right now I would take top eight and build over maybe three windows, this one, January and the following year. Quality not quantity.
Vegas, I would be quite happy if we get top 10 in his first season, for me personally, it will be how we get there, if we play well and score goals great, win or lose, but towards the end of last season, believe me, it was frustrating to say the least. With Poyet the game was very good to watch, Oscar inherited that team, but due to the injuries he was restricted in how the team could play and had little backing imo. That team has now broken up and for me Hypia has to build a team, yes the nucleus is there but it's who comes in that will define where we get to. I cannot see him getting the resources needed to get top 2 in all honesty, if the money had been there we would have used it last season imo and Oscar would still be here.
Quality comes at a price, a price we are not prepared to pay at the moment, be it fees or wages, and that is a good strategy for a stable club, if Ulloa was to go for the £6/7m being quoted that would be of more benefit than hanging on to him imo. It would give us funds for the rebuild, bring a few players in, get some youngsters through the academy and a season under his belt then as you say push on following season.
Just being honest for next season, would love us to be in the mix but just don't see it at the moment, we will see who comes in before season starts and have a better idea, but with all the parachute payment teams about and a couple more that will try and spend their way to promotion it's going to be a big ask. Not being negative, just realistic with my thoughts. UTA
it seems you and I pretty much agree on the season ahead. We could all be in for a surprise, this season could be amazing, we just don't know. One question I am waiting to see answerd is, will Hyypia show the exit door to any of the remaining squad, Greer, Bruno and Calde, are they safe.
Vegas till he knows what amount of money,and what say he has in on sigings, do not think he has much choice.

This is not 5 a side,Albion do not no way have a side to compete for a middle of the road let alone top position.

The clock is ticking.
the first part of your comment would surely have been sorted prior to Hyypia joining us. To the second part, what team are you saying are not good enough, the one made up from the remnants of last season's squad, or the one that will start the season, the one we have no idea about at this time.
SH is a surpise or not ?.His english should be better than OG's,does he accept what Albion FFP want to comply with and (they aint).

The second part ALBION.

Unless he keeps this squad he is going to play a 5 team line up,or can you name a starting 11 plus subs that can hold their own next season.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: TBG I am not sure how it's possible for Hyypia to what might be seen as a, 'good season,' if he doesn't guide us to a place in the top six, I see that as a tad unfair. If Hyypia is a realist, and I hope he is, he might well see the task of building a top six squad, one also capable of better, could take two seasons. We surely are ten players short as of today, some might put that number even higher, can we really find that many players in just one window. I know we have the january window, but we will need to be challenging at that time, and what about the finances. My hope is that the new facility naming rights is a bigger deal than any of us might have thought it was. If Hyypia is given the resources it looks like he will need, then I guess we could have a chance at the top two spots, but right now I would take top eight and build over maybe three windows, this one, January and the following year. Quality not quantity.[/p][/quote]Vegas, I would be quite happy if we get top 10 in his first season, for me personally, it will be how we get there, if we play well and score goals great, win or lose, but towards the end of last season, believe me, it was frustrating to say the least. With Poyet the game was very good to watch, Oscar inherited that team, but due to the injuries he was restricted in how the team could play and had little backing imo. That team has now broken up and for me Hypia has to build a team, yes the nucleus is there but it's who comes in that will define where we get to. I cannot see him getting the resources needed to get top 2 in all honesty, if the money had been there we would have used it last season imo and Oscar would still be here. Quality comes at a price, a price we are not prepared to pay at the moment, be it fees or wages, and that is a good strategy for a stable club, if Ulloa was to go for the £6/7m being quoted that would be of more benefit than hanging on to him imo. It would give us funds for the rebuild, bring a few players in, get some youngsters through the academy and a season under his belt then as you say push on following season. Just being honest for next season, would love us to be in the mix but just don't see it at the moment, we will see who comes in before season starts and have a better idea, but with all the parachute payment teams about and a couple more that will try and spend their way to promotion it's going to be a big ask. Not being negative, just realistic with my thoughts. UTA[/p][/quote]it seems you and I pretty much agree on the season ahead. We could all be in for a surprise, this season could be amazing, we just don't know. One question I am waiting to see answerd is, will Hyypia show the exit door to any of the remaining squad, Greer, Bruno and Calde, are they safe.[/p][/quote]Vegas till he knows what amount of money,and what say he has in on sigings, do not think he has much choice. This is not 5 a side,Albion do not no way have a side to compete for a middle of the road let alone top position. The clock is ticking.[/p][/quote]the first part of your comment would surely have been sorted prior to Hyypia joining us. To the second part, what team are you saying are not good enough, the one made up from the remnants of last season's squad, or the one that will start the season, the one we have no idea about at this time.[/p][/quote]SH is a surpise or not ?.His english should be better than OG's,does he accept what Albion FFP want to comply with and (they aint). The second part ALBION. Unless he keeps this squad he is going to play a 5 team line up,or can you name a starting 11 plus subs that can hold their own next season. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -2

6:47pm Sun 8 Jun 14

gordongull says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
TBG I am not sure how it's possible for Hyypia to what might be seen as a, 'good season,' if he doesn't guide us to a place in the top six, I see that as a tad unfair.

If Hyypia is a realist, and I hope he is, he might well see the task of building a top six squad, one also capable of better, could take two seasons. We surely are ten players short as of today, some might put that number even higher, can we really find that many players in just one window. I know we have the january window, but we will need to be challenging at that time, and what about the finances.

My hope is that the new facility naming rights is a bigger deal than any of us might have thought it was. If Hyypia is given the resources it looks like he will need, then I guess we could have a chance at the top two spots, but right now I would take top eight and build over maybe three windows, this one, January and the following year. Quality not quantity.
But there is a five year plan to get to the premier league and that will push that back, my concern is that Bloom said that because we are relying on the money that promotion brings, if it takes longer then what will it mean? I just hope this is the season we go up, and it could be that we need to. It's not right to put pressure on Hyypia to get us promoted this season but he may be under pressure from Bloom. Another season in the championship may set us further back on the plan, just worry that promotion might be more urgent than we realise.
The 5 year plan has been blown out of the water by FFP, East of Crawley Down. We are unlikely to get official recognition of that but I don't believe Sami Hyypia will be under any more pressure to get us promoted than Gus or Oscar.
If there is pressure, a fair portion of it should be on the person who is selecting the transfer targets. Hopefully that person will be sami, and if it is, I am sure he can handle the pressure.
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: TBG I am not sure how it's possible for Hyypia to what might be seen as a, 'good season,' if he doesn't guide us to a place in the top six, I see that as a tad unfair. If Hyypia is a realist, and I hope he is, he might well see the task of building a top six squad, one also capable of better, could take two seasons. We surely are ten players short as of today, some might put that number even higher, can we really find that many players in just one window. I know we have the january window, but we will need to be challenging at that time, and what about the finances. My hope is that the new facility naming rights is a bigger deal than any of us might have thought it was. If Hyypia is given the resources it looks like he will need, then I guess we could have a chance at the top two spots, but right now I would take top eight and build over maybe three windows, this one, January and the following year. Quality not quantity.[/p][/quote]But there is a five year plan to get to the premier league and that will push that back, my concern is that Bloom said that because we are relying on the money that promotion brings, if it takes longer then what will it mean? I just hope this is the season we go up, and it could be that we need to. It's not right to put pressure on Hyypia to get us promoted this season but he may be under pressure from Bloom. Another season in the championship may set us further back on the plan, just worry that promotion might be more urgent than we realise.[/p][/quote]The 5 year plan has been blown out of the water by FFP, East of Crawley Down. We are unlikely to get official recognition of that but I don't believe Sami Hyypia will be under any more pressure to get us promoted than Gus or Oscar. If there is pressure, a fair portion of it should be on the person who is selecting the transfer targets. Hopefully that person will be sami, and if it is, I am sure he can handle the pressure. gordongull
  • Score: 3

9:43pm Sun 8 Jun 14

pte says...

mark by the sea wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
If Hyypia is a gamble, what end of season table position would those on here deem, a failure.
I am hoping that we see a manager who wants his players to display a certain amount of swagger, have them know, feel and believe they are part of a club destined for big things.
The build from the back passing game is only as good as the thru ball that opens up the defense, so keep the fans happy Sam, sign a creative midfielder.
I think the way we perceive success will depend to a large extent on what resources Sami is provided with. Vegas.
If we assume that we can strengthen the squad to a level comparable with the one that started last season, (minus the injuries), top half would be acceptable.
Top six would have to be considered a success, and top two, an outstanding, though unlikely achievement.
Failure would again depend on resources, but any signs of a flirtation with the relegation places around December would be a cause for some concern.
Without a competitive budget hyypia is on a hiding from the fans,but in reality give him the tools and allow people to judge him after,
Big question is keeper, speroni wants 25k a week, palace offered him 20k
I suppose a budget less than 10 million including wages for 10 players will be competitive .
No one can judge him unless he gets the backing from the board
I think TB backed Gus with quite a few signing though it wasn't enough for Gus. For OG there was less backing, either the cash ran out or there was no confidence in OG. If it was the latter then maybe they will back the new manager.

But given the size of the gates your budget of 10m shouldnt be a problem

Regarding Speroni if Palace in the Prem wont pay him 25k I don;t see why we should (no more than 17k)
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If Hyypia is a gamble, what end of season table position would those on here deem, a failure. I am hoping that we see a manager who wants his players to display a certain amount of swagger, have them know, feel and believe they are part of a club destined for big things. The build from the back passing game is only as good as the thru ball that opens up the defense, so keep the fans happy Sam, sign a creative midfielder.[/p][/quote]I think the way we perceive success will depend to a large extent on what resources Sami is provided with. Vegas. If we assume that we can strengthen the squad to a level comparable with the one that started last season, (minus the injuries), top half would be acceptable. Top six would have to be considered a success, and top two, an outstanding, though unlikely achievement. Failure would again depend on resources, but any signs of a flirtation with the relegation places around December would be a cause for some concern.[/p][/quote]Without a competitive budget hyypia is on a hiding from the fans,but in reality give him the tools and allow people to judge him after, Big question is keeper, speroni wants 25k a week, palace offered him 20k I suppose a budget less than 10 million including wages for 10 players will be competitive . No one can judge him unless he gets the backing from the board[/p][/quote]I think TB backed Gus with quite a few signing though it wasn't enough for Gus. For OG there was less backing, either the cash ran out or there was no confidence in OG. If it was the latter then maybe they will back the new manager. But given the size of the gates your budget of 10m shouldnt be a problem Regarding Speroni if Palace in the Prem wont pay him 25k I don;t see why we should (no more than 17k) pte
  • Score: -1

10:30pm Sun 8 Jun 14

Newhavenles says...

gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
If Hyypia is a gamble, what end of season table position would those on here deem, a failure.
I am hoping that we see a manager who wants his players to display a certain amount of swagger, have them know, feel and believe they are part of a club destined for big things.
The build from the back passing game is only as good as the thru ball that opens up the defense, so keep the fans happy Sam, sign a creative midfielder.
I think the way we perceive success will depend to a large extent on what resources Sami is provided with. Vegas.
If we assume that we can strengthen the squad to a level comparable with the one that started last season, (minus the injuries), top half would be acceptable.
Top six would have to be considered a success, and top two, an outstanding, though unlikely achievement.
Failure would again depend on resources, but any signs of a flirtation with the relegation places around December would be a cause for some concern.
Mid table and above will do it for me,and building a good squad for the season after. Too many players inured or not looking like they wanted to be at the club last year plus the lack of many exciting game at home left a flat feeling which transferred to the crowd and the next match.Oscar did great with what he was given but with no new players arriving to replace those that left and those sulking faces towards the end of the season there was obviously something not right,which I hope is put right this season.Not enough feedback coming from the club at any time since the first game at the Amex ,the longer it's been open the less they think they need to tell the fans.One of the problems is that if it's not happening in the premier league the papers aren't remotely interested so the likes of Brighton and Accrington Stanley don't feature at all,If someone did a poo in the away teams changing room at Manchester United they would have told the world who did it before the week was out
Anyway lets get behind the new manager and hope the club can offer us the supporters a better experience for than they managed last year
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If Hyypia is a gamble, what end of season table position would those on here deem, a failure. I am hoping that we see a manager who wants his players to display a certain amount of swagger, have them know, feel and believe they are part of a club destined for big things. The build from the back passing game is only as good as the thru ball that opens up the defense, so keep the fans happy Sam, sign a creative midfielder.[/p][/quote]I think the way we perceive success will depend to a large extent on what resources Sami is provided with. Vegas. If we assume that we can strengthen the squad to a level comparable with the one that started last season, (minus the injuries), top half would be acceptable. Top six would have to be considered a success, and top two, an outstanding, though unlikely achievement. Failure would again depend on resources, but any signs of a flirtation with the relegation places around December would be a cause for some concern.[/p][/quote]Mid table and above will do it for me,and building a good squad for the season after. Too many players inured or not looking like they wanted to be at the club last year plus the lack of many exciting game at home left a flat feeling which transferred to the crowd and the next match.Oscar did great with what he was given but with no new players arriving to replace those that left and those sulking faces towards the end of the season there was obviously something not right,which I hope is put right this season.Not enough feedback coming from the club at any time since the first game at the Amex ,the longer it's been open the less they think they need to tell the fans.One of the problems is that if it's not happening in the premier league the papers aren't remotely interested so the likes of Brighton and Accrington Stanley don't feature at all,If someone did a poo in the away teams changing room at Manchester United they would have told the world who did it before the week was out Anyway lets get behind the new manager and hope the club can offer us the supporters a better experience for than they managed last year Newhavenles
  • Score: -2

11:10am Mon 9 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

gordongull wrote:
Finnish goalkeepers reminded me of the guy who phoned Talksport wanting to know why Antti Niemi had not been considered for the Scottish national team after three great seasons at Hearts.
Arthur Albiston who was co-presenting the show said, ''Niemi is Finnish.''
The guy replied, ''How can he be finished, he's only 28!''
Haha, that's a classic!
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Finnish goalkeepers reminded me of the guy who phoned Talksport wanting to know why Antti Niemi had not been considered for the Scottish national team after three great seasons at Hearts. Arthur Albiston who was co-presenting the show said, ''Niemi is Finnish.'' The guy replied, ''How can he be finished, he's only 28!''[/p][/quote]Haha, that's a classic! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

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