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New Albion boss Hyypia has begun planning already

The Argus: Sami Hyypia has been watching Albion games from last season. Picture: 'ANDREAS POHL/ BILD ZEITUNG Sami Hyypia has been watching Albion games from last season. Picture: 'ANDREAS POHL/ BILD ZEITUNG

New boss Sami Hyypia has begun planning for his first season with Albion.

The recently-appointed manager has been studying matches from last term as he prepares for life in the Championship.

Hyypia arrives in England on Thursday and will start building a squad and coaching team for the new campaign.

Chief executive Paul Barber updated fans yesterday afternoon via the club’s website.

He said: “Sami has already looked at videos of our matches from last season and over the next few days, with the support of (first team coach) Nathan Jones and (head of football operations) David Burke, will evaluate the current squad, its strengths and weaknesses, and from that identify the key areas he wants to improve. “Working closely with the chairman and our scouting team, Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing, and identify those specific players he wants to bring in. Providing those players are available and within our budget, we will do our best to get them.”

Barber revealed Albion consulted players, coaches and administrators who had worked with candidates for their managerial vacancy as part of a search described as “very thorough”.

He said Hyypia had been keen to retain Jones as part of the coaching team. Barber added: “He feels it is very important to have a coach with existing knowledge of the club and of our squad as part of his group.”

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6:56am Mon 9 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 22

7:17am Mon 9 Jun 14

AlfieT says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
See terms and conditions, budget restrictions apply....
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]See terms and conditions, budget restrictions apply.... AlfieT
  • Score: 33

7:23am Mon 9 Jun 14

brighton bluenose says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
I would respectfully suggest it says nothing of the sort - he is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists! Let's not forget he will have no real knowledge of players at our level so will be reliant on Burke, Jones and our scouting network who, one would hope, have not been sitting on their hands since the end of the season!!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]I would respectfully suggest it says nothing of the sort - he is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists! Let's not forget he will have no real knowledge of players at our level so will be reliant on Burke, Jones and our scouting network who, one would hope, have not been sitting on their hands since the end of the season!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -4

7:27am Mon 9 Jun 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

Why wait until Thursday to start properly when he was given the job on Friday? That's nearly another week in which players we want may sign somewhere else, it's taken so long to get the manager in, we really need to crack on and build the squad, it's all happening at a snails pace. I'd have thought he would start this morning and not hang around for an extra week. The world cup will be a distraction on thursday, we could have got in before it and made a start, now not much will happen for another few weeks and there's not a second to lose.
Why wait until Thursday to start properly when he was given the job on Friday? That's nearly another week in which players we want may sign somewhere else, it's taken so long to get the manager in, we really need to crack on and build the squad, it's all happening at a snails pace. I'd have thought he would start this morning and not hang around for an extra week. The world cup will be a distraction on thursday, we could have got in before it and made a start, now not much will happen for another few weeks and there's not a second to lose. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: -63

7:38am Mon 9 Jun 14

argy seagull says...

Imho the club/manager face four key challenges
1. Motivation of players. Team members in the second half of their careers are unlikely to want to commit employment suicide by achieving promotion then to be demoted to the reserves or being forced to leave the club. This might have been an element in the poor showings in the last two playoffs. The solution maybe is to concentrate on youth (internally developed or bought in) and loaned players. Both of these types of players should be hungrier for success than the more journeyman type of player. Sami may well have a key advantage here in his relationship with Liverpool. If we could become the natural training ground for Liverpool’s youth that can’t make their first team then that must benefit both clubs
2. The combination of parachute payments and the FFP regulations is a killer to clubs like Brighton. At any one time we are competing with up to 12 clubs receiving parachute payments. At the same time penalties under the FFP rules act against any major player spends that end in failure to achieve promotion. The strategy above in investing in youth/loanees helps of course but nevertheless money still has to be invested. TB has to judge when the time is right (assuming he has the cash and is willing to gamble it of course). Does he risk a small amount and keep within the rules or, ignore FFP, and go for it big time and accept the financial penalty is successful (easily outweighed by all the other financial benefits)or the transfer embargo if not?
3. The poor home record. The win percentage is far worse than all the teams (Reading excluded) above and below us. Full stadiums should make for better atmosphere and player motivation – but not seemingly in our case. We get the same number of wins away with the support of a couple of thousand than at home with the support of 27,000. Something is wrong somewhere. It would be interesting to hear what the players say and ideas the club has to change this
4. The lack of goals scored and chances created. Already commented on a lot so only included for completeness
Imho the club/manager face four key challenges 1. Motivation of players. Team members in the second half of their careers are unlikely to want to commit employment suicide by achieving promotion then to be demoted to the reserves or being forced to leave the club. This might have been an element in the poor showings in the last two playoffs. The solution maybe is to concentrate on youth (internally developed or bought in) and loaned players. Both of these types of players should be hungrier for success than the more journeyman type of player. Sami may well have a key advantage here in his relationship with Liverpool. If we could become the natural training ground for Liverpool’s youth that can’t make their first team then that must benefit both clubs 2. The combination of parachute payments and the FFP regulations is a killer to clubs like Brighton. At any one time we are competing with up to 12 clubs receiving parachute payments. At the same time penalties under the FFP rules act against any major player spends that end in failure to achieve promotion. The strategy above in investing in youth/loanees helps of course but nevertheless money still has to be invested. TB has to judge when the time is right (assuming he has the cash and is willing to gamble it of course). Does he risk a small amount and keep within the rules or, ignore FFP, and go for it big time and accept the financial penalty is successful (easily outweighed by all the other financial benefits)or the transfer embargo if not? 3. The poor home record. The win percentage is far worse than all the teams (Reading excluded) above and below us. Full stadiums should make for better atmosphere and player motivation – but not seemingly in our case. We get the same number of wins away with the support of a couple of thousand than at home with the support of 27,000. Something is wrong somewhere. It would be interesting to hear what the players say and ideas the club has to change this 4. The lack of goals scored and chances created. Already commented on a lot so only included for completeness argy seagull
  • Score: 22

7:42am Mon 9 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

AlfieT wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
See terms and conditions, budget restrictions apply....
As with almost every club job in world football. We're no different and it's something we have to live with.
[quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]See terms and conditions, budget restrictions apply....[/p][/quote]As with almost every club job in world football. We're no different and it's something we have to live with. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 22

7:45am Mon 9 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
I would respectfully suggest it says nothing of the sort - he is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists! Let's not forget he will have no real knowledge of players at our level so will be reliant on Burke, Jones and our scouting network who, one would hope, have not been sitting on their hands since the end of the season!!
Morning boys, no one on here actually knows what funds are available for Hyppia to spend, he might get 5 million plus or he might off been told there us no pot to spend and he will have to get out off contract or loan players in, until new players start arriving we can only speculate on here which some people are or they think there good at, let's wait and see, we have our manager in place now, new players will arrive shortly, no doubt one or two will leave before the season starts if they do hopefully goes towards bringing new players in to the club.
Up the Albion!!!
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]I would respectfully suggest it says nothing of the sort - he is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists! Let's not forget he will have no real knowledge of players at our level so will be reliant on Burke, Jones and our scouting network who, one would hope, have not been sitting on their hands since the end of the season!![/p][/quote]Morning boys, no one on here actually knows what funds are available for Hyppia to spend, he might get 5 million plus or he might off been told there us no pot to spend and he will have to get out off contract or loan players in, until new players start arriving we can only speculate on here which some people are or they think there good at, let's wait and see, we have our manager in place now, new players will arrive shortly, no doubt one or two will leave before the season starts if they do hopefully goes towards bringing new players in to the club. Up the Albion!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 13

7:51am Mon 9 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Why wait until Thursday to start properly when he was given the job on Friday? That's nearly another week in which players we want may sign somewhere else, it's taken so long to get the manager in, we really need to crack on and build the squad, it's all happening at a snails pace. I'd have thought he would start this morning and not hang around for an extra week. The world cup will be a distraction on thursday, we could have got in before it and made a start, now not much will happen for another few weeks and there's not a second to lose.
He's merely being introduced to the media on Thursday, it's not his official start date, even if it is also the day he arrives in England.
As the story suggests, he's already started working and you can review matches and performances from anywhere on the world and have preliminary conversations too for that matter. It's not as if he's missing training at the moment or the chance to talk with the current players face to face.
As for the World Cup, it's surely only a distraction from a media point of view. Certainly, there won't be much space for a report from his press conference over and above The Argus but I'm not sure the World Cup will be the centre of our universe when it comes to signings so It's irrelevant in terms of the level of players we're likely to want to speak to.
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: Why wait until Thursday to start properly when he was given the job on Friday? That's nearly another week in which players we want may sign somewhere else, it's taken so long to get the manager in, we really need to crack on and build the squad, it's all happening at a snails pace. I'd have thought he would start this morning and not hang around for an extra week. The world cup will be a distraction on thursday, we could have got in before it and made a start, now not much will happen for another few weeks and there's not a second to lose.[/p][/quote]He's merely being introduced to the media on Thursday, it's not his official start date, even if it is also the day he arrives in England. As the story suggests, he's already started working and you can review matches and performances from anywhere on the world and have preliminary conversations too for that matter. It's not as if he's missing training at the moment or the chance to talk with the current players face to face. As for the World Cup, it's surely only a distraction from a media point of view. Certainly, there won't be much space for a report from his press conference over and above The Argus but I'm not sure the World Cup will be the centre of our universe when it comes to signings so It's irrelevant in terms of the level of players we're likely to want to speak to. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 26

7:57am Mon 9 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
I would respectfully suggest it says nothing of the sort - he is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists! Let's not forget he will have no real knowledge of players at our level so will be reliant on Burke, Jones and our scouting network who, one would hope, have not been sitting on their hands since the end of the season!!
I'm quite sure he'll be given advice from those who've been part of the set up for a while and why not? But the reports are he's clued up himself with contacts here and across Europe so as long as he is part of a process that's been clearly defined, he has the final say in and is happy with, where's the problem?
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]I would respectfully suggest it says nothing of the sort - he is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists! Let's not forget he will have no real knowledge of players at our level so will be reliant on Burke, Jones and our scouting network who, one would hope, have not been sitting on their hands since the end of the season!![/p][/quote]I'm quite sure he'll be given advice from those who've been part of the set up for a while and why not? But the reports are he's clued up himself with contacts here and across Europe so as long as he is part of a process that's been clearly defined, he has the final say in and is happy with, where's the problem? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 12

8:01am Mon 9 Jun 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Why wait until Thursday to start properly when he was given the job on Friday? That's nearly another week in which players we want may sign somewhere else, it's taken so long to get the manager in, we really need to crack on and build the squad, it's all happening at a snails pace. I'd have thought he would start this morning and not hang around for an extra week. The world cup will be a distraction on thursday, we could have got in before it and made a start, now not much will happen for another few weeks and there's not a second to lose.
He's merely being introduced to the media on Thursday, it's not his official start date, even if it is also the day he arrives in England.
As the story suggests, he's already started working and you can review matches and performances from anywhere on the world and have preliminary conversations too for that matter. It's not as if he's missing training at the moment or the chance to talk with the current players face to face.
As for the World Cup, it's surely only a distraction from a media point of view. Certainly, there won't be much space for a report from his press conference over and above The Argus but I'm not sure the World Cup will be the centre of our universe when it comes to signings so It's irrelevant in terms of the level of players we're likely to want to speak to.
You'd have thought the club would have done the press conference first thing this morning though, considering he was appointed on Friday, can't understand waiting until Thursday, it just feels like there's a real lack of urgency. Sami himself clearly knows who he wants and should be allowed to get the bit between his teeth and sort out the squad. It sounds like the board are causing the delays and I can't see any good reason for it at all.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: Why wait until Thursday to start properly when he was given the job on Friday? That's nearly another week in which players we want may sign somewhere else, it's taken so long to get the manager in, we really need to crack on and build the squad, it's all happening at a snails pace. I'd have thought he would start this morning and not hang around for an extra week. The world cup will be a distraction on thursday, we could have got in before it and made a start, now not much will happen for another few weeks and there's not a second to lose.[/p][/quote]He's merely being introduced to the media on Thursday, it's not his official start date, even if it is also the day he arrives in England. As the story suggests, he's already started working and you can review matches and performances from anywhere on the world and have preliminary conversations too for that matter. It's not as if he's missing training at the moment or the chance to talk with the current players face to face. As for the World Cup, it's surely only a distraction from a media point of view. Certainly, there won't be much space for a report from his press conference over and above The Argus but I'm not sure the World Cup will be the centre of our universe when it comes to signings so It's irrelevant in terms of the level of players we're likely to want to speak to.[/p][/quote]You'd have thought the club would have done the press conference first thing this morning though, considering he was appointed on Friday, can't understand waiting until Thursday, it just feels like there's a real lack of urgency. Sami himself clearly knows who he wants and should be allowed to get the bit between his teeth and sort out the squad. It sounds like the board are causing the delays and I can't see any good reason for it at all. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: -47

8:03am Mon 9 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
AlfieT wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
See terms and conditions, budget restrictions apply....
As with almost every club job in world football. We're no different and it's something we have to live with.
Wish posters on here took note what Albion in staffs writes there is not many on here that talks more sense on here than him, I for one enjoy what he writes because most off the time its true what he posts!!
Up the Albion!!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]See terms and conditions, budget restrictions apply....[/p][/quote]As with almost every club job in world football. We're no different and it's something we have to live with.[/p][/quote]Wish posters on here took note what Albion in staffs writes there is not many on here that talks more sense on here than him, I for one enjoy what he writes because most off the time its true what he posts!! Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 15

8:11am Mon 9 Jun 14

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

Phew, a tough start for Hyppia, having to sit through last season's matches one after the other...zzzzzz hope they can wake him up by Thursday!
Phew, a tough start for Hyppia, having to sit through last season's matches one after the other...zzzzzz hope they can wake him up by Thursday! Willie, Willie Irvine
  • Score: 44

8:15am Mon 9 Jun 14

keswick says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
That wont be enough for some of those on this site, particularly those that claim to have someone with 'inside knowledge'. It also clarifies SH rationale for retaining NJ. Now perhaps the same people will get off his back. True supporters will now back the new management team and see the continued development of the club.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]That wont be enough for some of those on this site, particularly those that claim to have someone with 'inside knowledge'. It also clarifies SH rationale for retaining NJ. Now perhaps the same people will get off his back. True supporters will now back the new management team and see the continued development of the club. keswick
  • Score: 34

8:29am Mon 9 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Why wait until Thursday to start properly when he was given the job on Friday? That's nearly another week in which players we want may sign somewhere else, it's taken so long to get the manager in, we really need to crack on and build the squad, it's all happening at a snails pace. I'd have thought he would start this morning and not hang around for an extra week. The world cup will be a distraction on thursday, we could have got in before it and made a start, now not much will happen for another few weeks and there's not a second to lose.
He's merely being introduced to the media on Thursday, it's not his official start date, even if it is also the day he arrives in England.
As the story suggests, he's already started working and you can review matches and performances from anywhere on the world and have preliminary conversations too for that matter. It's not as if he's missing training at the moment or the chance to talk with the current players face to face.
As for the World Cup, it's surely only a distraction from a media point of view. Certainly, there won't be much space for a report from his press conference over and above The Argus but I'm not sure the World Cup will be the centre of our universe when it comes to signings so It's irrelevant in terms of the level of players we're likely to want to speak to.
You'd have thought the club would have done the press conference first thing this morning though, considering he was appointed on Friday, can't understand waiting until Thursday, it just feels like there's a real lack of urgency. Sami himself clearly knows who he wants and should be allowed to get the bit between his teeth and sort out the squad. It sounds like the board are causing the delays and I can't see any good reason for it at all.
A genuine question: where exactly, are the delays?
A press conference is only a token event, it's not the official start of the job. The fact it's on Thursday means it merely coincides with his arrival in England after a few days to organise the type of personal stuff anyone would need to do before starting a new job in another country. Meanwhile, he's in Finland or Germany sorting himself and working on preliminary stuff - as this story reflects. I don't see how that equates to the board delaying anything and, in my opinion, to suggest so, is unfair.
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: Why wait until Thursday to start properly when he was given the job on Friday? That's nearly another week in which players we want may sign somewhere else, it's taken so long to get the manager in, we really need to crack on and build the squad, it's all happening at a snails pace. I'd have thought he would start this morning and not hang around for an extra week. The world cup will be a distraction on thursday, we could have got in before it and made a start, now not much will happen for another few weeks and there's not a second to lose.[/p][/quote]He's merely being introduced to the media on Thursday, it's not his official start date, even if it is also the day he arrives in England. As the story suggests, he's already started working and you can review matches and performances from anywhere on the world and have preliminary conversations too for that matter. It's not as if he's missing training at the moment or the chance to talk with the current players face to face. As for the World Cup, it's surely only a distraction from a media point of view. Certainly, there won't be much space for a report from his press conference over and above The Argus but I'm not sure the World Cup will be the centre of our universe when it comes to signings so It's irrelevant in terms of the level of players we're likely to want to speak to.[/p][/quote]You'd have thought the club would have done the press conference first thing this morning though, considering he was appointed on Friday, can't understand waiting until Thursday, it just feels like there's a real lack of urgency. Sami himself clearly knows who he wants and should be allowed to get the bit between his teeth and sort out the squad. It sounds like the board are causing the delays and I can't see any good reason for it at all.[/p][/quote]A genuine question: where exactly, are the delays? A press conference is only a token event, it's not the official start of the job. The fact it's on Thursday means it merely coincides with his arrival in England after a few days to organise the type of personal stuff anyone would need to do before starting a new job in another country. Meanwhile, he's in Finland or Germany sorting himself and working on preliminary stuff - as this story reflects. I don't see how that equates to the board delaying anything and, in my opinion, to suggest so, is unfair. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 57

8:31am Mon 9 Jun 14

keswick says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Why wait until Thursday to start properly when he was given the job on Friday? That's nearly another week in which players we want may sign somewhere else, it's taken so long to get the manager in, we really need to crack on and build the squad, it's all happening at a snails pace. I'd have thought he would start this morning and not hang around for an extra week. The world cup will be a distraction on thursday, we could have got in before it and made a start, now not much will happen for another few weeks and there's not a second to lose.
He's merely being introduced to the media on Thursday, it's not his official start date, even if it is also the day he arrives in England.
As the story suggests, he's already started working and you can review matches and performances from anywhere on the world and have preliminary conversations too for that matter. It's not as if he's missing training at the moment or the chance to talk with the current players face to face.
As for the World Cup, it's surely only a distraction from a media point of view. Certainly, there won't be much space for a report from his press conference over and above The Argus but I'm not sure the World Cup will be the centre of our universe when it comes to signings so It's irrelevant in terms of the level of players we're likely to want to speak to.
You'd have thought the club would have done the press conference first thing this morning though, considering he was appointed on Friday, can't understand waiting until Thursday, it just feels like there's a real lack of urgency. Sami himself clearly knows who he wants and should be allowed to get the bit between his teeth and sort out the squad. It sounds like the board are causing the delays and I can't see any good reason for it at all.
I think that there is a quite straightforward reason that you are not able to 'understand' something !
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: Why wait until Thursday to start properly when he was given the job on Friday? That's nearly another week in which players we want may sign somewhere else, it's taken so long to get the manager in, we really need to crack on and build the squad, it's all happening at a snails pace. I'd have thought he would start this morning and not hang around for an extra week. The world cup will be a distraction on thursday, we could have got in before it and made a start, now not much will happen for another few weeks and there's not a second to lose.[/p][/quote]He's merely being introduced to the media on Thursday, it's not his official start date, even if it is also the day he arrives in England. As the story suggests, he's already started working and you can review matches and performances from anywhere on the world and have preliminary conversations too for that matter. It's not as if he's missing training at the moment or the chance to talk with the current players face to face. As for the World Cup, it's surely only a distraction from a media point of view. Certainly, there won't be much space for a report from his press conference over and above The Argus but I'm not sure the World Cup will be the centre of our universe when it comes to signings so It's irrelevant in terms of the level of players we're likely to want to speak to.[/p][/quote]You'd have thought the club would have done the press conference first thing this morning though, considering he was appointed on Friday, can't understand waiting until Thursday, it just feels like there's a real lack of urgency. Sami himself clearly knows who he wants and should be allowed to get the bit between his teeth and sort out the squad. It sounds like the board are causing the delays and I can't see any good reason for it at all.[/p][/quote]I think that there is a quite straightforward reason that you are not able to 'understand' something ! keswick
  • Score: 16

8:33am Mon 9 Jun 14

Max Ripple says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
AlfieT wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
See terms and conditions, budget restrictions apply....
As with almost every club job in world football. We're no different and it's something we have to live with.
Sorry, I have to disagree AIS. Half of the teams in the Championship are still benefitting from parachute payments and the rest of us are trying not to fall foul of FFP. There is not a level playing field and the same restrictions therefore do not apply to all clubs. We are very much at a disadvantage. Are we solely expected to rely on homegrown players? Do we have to become a developing/selling club?
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]See terms and conditions, budget restrictions apply....[/p][/quote]As with almost every club job in world football. We're no different and it's something we have to live with.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I have to disagree AIS. Half of the teams in the Championship are still benefitting from parachute payments and the rest of us are trying not to fall foul of FFP. There is not a level playing field and the same restrictions therefore do not apply to all clubs. We are very much at a disadvantage. Are we solely expected to rely on homegrown players? Do we have to become a developing/selling club? Max Ripple
  • Score: 3

8:38am Mon 9 Jun 14

Clean Sheet says...

Most contracts run to end June, and most footballers not involved with the World Cup will be on holiday, so there will be little transfer business done in the next couple of weeks. It would be good to have the new faces in for the start of July, or soon after, so no need to start panicking just yet.
Most contracts run to end June, and most footballers not involved with the World Cup will be on holiday, so there will be little transfer business done in the next couple of weeks. It would be good to have the new faces in for the start of July, or soon after, so no need to start panicking just yet. Clean Sheet
  • Score: 18

8:40am Mon 9 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Max Ripple wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
AlfieT wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
See terms and conditions, budget restrictions apply....
As with almost every club job in world football. We're no different and it's something we have to live with.
Sorry, I have to disagree AIS. Half of the teams in the Championship are still benefitting from parachute payments and the rest of us are trying not to fall foul of FFP. There is not a level playing field and the same restrictions therefore do not apply to all clubs. We are very much at a disadvantage. Are we solely expected to rely on homegrown players? Do we have to become a developing/selling club?
Max, I think you miss my point. I'm not saying it's a level platting field, I'm saying every club has to work to a budget and moaning that ours is smaller than others isn't going to change that.
If you think it's unfair, that's fine but it's a reality and when people allude to it being the club's fault, well they're criticising for the sake of it in my book.
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]See terms and conditions, budget restrictions apply....[/p][/quote]As with almost every club job in world football. We're no different and it's something we have to live with.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I have to disagree AIS. Half of the teams in the Championship are still benefitting from parachute payments and the rest of us are trying not to fall foul of FFP. There is not a level playing field and the same restrictions therefore do not apply to all clubs. We are very much at a disadvantage. Are we solely expected to rely on homegrown players? Do we have to become a developing/selling club?[/p][/quote]Max, I think you miss my point. I'm not saying it's a level platting field, I'm saying every club has to work to a budget and moaning that ours is smaller than others isn't going to change that. If you think it's unfair, that's fine but it's a reality and when people allude to it being the club's fault, well they're criticising for the sake of it in my book. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 20

9:28am Mon 9 Jun 14

LAWgull says...

argy seagull wrote:
Imho the club/manager face four key challenges 1. Motivation of players. Team members in the second half of their careers are unlikely to want to commit employment suicide by achieving promotion then to be demoted to the reserves or being forced to leave the club. This might have been an element in the poor showings in the last two playoffs. The solution maybe is to concentrate on youth (internally developed or bought in) and loaned players. Both of these types of players should be hungrier for success than the more journeyman type of player. Sami may well have a key advantage here in his relationship with Liverpool. If we could become the natural training ground for Liverpool’s youth that can’t make their first team then that must benefit both clubs 2. The combination of parachute payments and the FFP regulations is a killer to clubs like Brighton. At any one time we are competing with up to 12 clubs receiving parachute payments. At the same time penalties under the FFP rules act against any major player spends that end in failure to achieve promotion. The strategy above in investing in youth/loanees helps of course but nevertheless money still has to be invested. TB has to judge when the time is right (assuming he has the cash and is willing to gamble it of course). Does he risk a small amount and keep within the rules or, ignore FFP, and go for it big time and accept the financial penalty is successful (easily outweighed by all the other financial benefits)or the transfer embargo if not? 3. The poor home record. The win percentage is far worse than all the teams (Reading excluded) above and below us. Full stadiums should make for better atmosphere and player motivation – but not seemingly in our case. We get the same number of wins away with the support of a couple of thousand than at home with the support of 27,000. Something is wrong somewhere. It would be interesting to hear what the players say and ideas the club has to change this 4. The lack of goals scored and chances created. Already commented on a lot so only included for completeness
point 3
i feel when "smaller" teams visit us they raise their game cos its like playing premiership standard .size of crowd ground etc
[quote][p][bold]argy seagull[/bold] wrote: Imho the club/manager face four key challenges 1. Motivation of players. Team members in the second half of their careers are unlikely to want to commit employment suicide by achieving promotion then to be demoted to the reserves or being forced to leave the club. This might have been an element in the poor showings in the last two playoffs. The solution maybe is to concentrate on youth (internally developed or bought in) and loaned players. Both of these types of players should be hungrier for success than the more journeyman type of player. Sami may well have a key advantage here in his relationship with Liverpool. If we could become the natural training ground for Liverpool’s youth that can’t make their first team then that must benefit both clubs 2. The combination of parachute payments and the FFP regulations is a killer to clubs like Brighton. At any one time we are competing with up to 12 clubs receiving parachute payments. At the same time penalties under the FFP rules act against any major player spends that end in failure to achieve promotion. The strategy above in investing in youth/loanees helps of course but nevertheless money still has to be invested. TB has to judge when the time is right (assuming he has the cash and is willing to gamble it of course). Does he risk a small amount and keep within the rules or, ignore FFP, and go for it big time and accept the financial penalty is successful (easily outweighed by all the other financial benefits)or the transfer embargo if not? 3. The poor home record. The win percentage is far worse than all the teams (Reading excluded) above and below us. Full stadiums should make for better atmosphere and player motivation – but not seemingly in our case. We get the same number of wins away with the support of a couple of thousand than at home with the support of 27,000. Something is wrong somewhere. It would be interesting to hear what the players say and ideas the club has to change this 4. The lack of goals scored and chances created. Already commented on a lot so only included for completeness[/p][/quote]point 3 i feel when "smaller" teams visit us they raise their game cos its like playing premiership standard .size of crowd ground etc LAWgull
  • Score: 1

9:31am Mon 9 Jun 14

lenward says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Why wait until Thursday to start properly when he was given the job on Friday? That's nearly another week in which players we want may sign somewhere else, it's taken so long to get the manager in, we really need to crack on and build the squad, it's all happening at a snails pace. I'd have thought he would start this morning and not hang around for an extra week. The world cup will be a distraction on thursday, we could have got in before it and made a start, now not much will happen for another few weeks and there's not a second to lose.
He has been looking at videos of last season of how we play, this means he can also study some of the players weaknesses. Now if thats not already working I don't know what is.

I feel that I should also point out that he does have a private live to sort out. So I think the least we can do is wait a few more days don't you think.
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: Why wait until Thursday to start properly when he was given the job on Friday? That's nearly another week in which players we want may sign somewhere else, it's taken so long to get the manager in, we really need to crack on and build the squad, it's all happening at a snails pace. I'd have thought he would start this morning and not hang around for an extra week. The world cup will be a distraction on thursday, we could have got in before it and made a start, now not much will happen for another few weeks and there's not a second to lose.[/p][/quote]He has been looking at videos of last season of how we play, this means he can also study some of the players weaknesses. Now if thats not already working I don't know what is. I feel that I should also point out that he does have a private live to sort out. So I think the least we can do is wait a few more days don't you think. lenward
  • Score: 35

9:37am Mon 9 Jun 14

Baldseagull says...

Max Ripple wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
AlfieT wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
See terms and conditions, budget restrictions apply....
As with almost every club job in world football. We're no different and it's something we have to live with.
Sorry, I have to disagree AIS. Half of the teams in the Championship are still benefitting from parachute payments and the rest of us are trying not to fall foul of FFP. There is not a level playing field and the same restrictions therefore do not apply to all clubs. We are very much at a disadvantage. Are we solely expected to rely on homegrown players? Do we have to become a developing/selling club?
Of the clubs not receiving parachute payments, we or Leeds will probably have the biggest FFP compliant budget, any club not receiving parachute payments and spending more is bending the rules. We are able to do this because of the high number of season tickets sold and the reasonable expectation of 25,000+ gates.
The playing field may have a steep slope on it but we will be one of those playing downhill as far as many other clubs are concerned.
Yes we do have to become a developing club, whether we sell or keep a player developed will be down to the same economics as above, those with more money have more choice.
We were perceived in a similar light to Notts Forest by supporters of other teams last season because of the losses announced for the previous season. We should be well inside FFP though with the failure to secure Grabban and the sale of AB and LB.

We can compete at the top end of this division
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]See terms and conditions, budget restrictions apply....[/p][/quote]As with almost every club job in world football. We're no different and it's something we have to live with.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I have to disagree AIS. Half of the teams in the Championship are still benefitting from parachute payments and the rest of us are trying not to fall foul of FFP. There is not a level playing field and the same restrictions therefore do not apply to all clubs. We are very much at a disadvantage. Are we solely expected to rely on homegrown players? Do we have to become a developing/selling club?[/p][/quote]Of the clubs not receiving parachute payments, we or Leeds will probably have the biggest FFP compliant budget, any club not receiving parachute payments and spending more is bending the rules. We are able to do this because of the high number of season tickets sold and the reasonable expectation of 25,000+ gates. The playing field may have a steep slope on it but we will be one of those playing downhill as far as many other clubs are concerned. Yes we do have to become a developing club, whether we sell or keep a player developed will be down to the same economics as above, those with more money have more choice. We were perceived in a similar light to Notts Forest by supporters of other teams last season because of the losses announced for the previous season. We should be well inside FFP though with the failure to secure Grabban and the sale of AB and LB. We can compete at the top end of this division Baldseagull
  • Score: 4

9:43am Mon 9 Jun 14

AGT999 says...

AlfieT wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
See terms and conditions, budget restrictions apply....
Every well run club has a budget, I don't see what is wrong with that.
[quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]See terms and conditions, budget restrictions apply....[/p][/quote]Every well run club has a budget, I don't see what is wrong with that. AGT999
  • Score: 6

9:52am Mon 9 Jun 14

northeastpylon says...

We may disagree on how it gets done but 99 percent on here only want the best for OUR club.

Come on without, come on within
We're gonna get promoted with the MIghty Finn
We may disagree on how it gets done but 99 percent on here only want the best for OUR club. Come on without, come on within We're gonna get promoted with the MIghty Finn northeastpylon
  • Score: 16

9:53am Mon 9 Jun 14

AlfieT says...

AGT999 wrote:
AlfieT wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
See terms and conditions, budget restrictions apply....
Every well run club has a budget, I don't see what is wrong with that.
Did I say there was anything wrong with it ?
[quote][p][bold]AGT999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]See terms and conditions, budget restrictions apply....[/p][/quote]Every well run club has a budget, I don't see what is wrong with that.[/p][/quote]Did I say there was anything wrong with it ? AlfieT
  • Score: 0

9:55am Mon 9 Jun 14

ballantrrae says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Why wait until Thursday to start properly when he was given the job on Friday? That's nearly another week in which players we want may sign somewhere else, it's taken so long to get the manager in, we really need to crack on and build the squad, it's all happening at a snails pace. I'd have thought he would start this morning and not hang around for an extra week. The world cup will be a distraction on thursday, we could have got in before it and made a start, now not much will happen for another few weeks and there's not a second to lose.
He's merely being introduced to the media on Thursday, it's not his official start date, even if it is also the day he arrives in England.
As the story suggests, he's already started working and you can review matches and performances from anywhere on the world and have preliminary conversations too for that matter. It's not as if he's missing training at the moment or the chance to talk with the current players face to face.
As for the World Cup, it's surely only a distraction from a media point of view. Certainly, there won't be much space for a report from his press conference over and above The Argus but I'm not sure the World Cup will be the centre of our universe when it comes to signings so It's irrelevant in terms of the level of players we're likely to want to speak to.
I think it is worth remembering a couple of things
Firstly Hyypia won't be the only person from BHA attending the press conference, lTony Bloom and presumably Paul Barber will be as well. It is quite possible that Thursday is the first day all of them are available to meet the Press. Obviously there wouldn't be much point in holding the meeting if for example TB couldn't be there.
Secondly Hyppia will have had more time by Thursday to get up to speed about all aspects of the playing side of the club (including assessing the players) and therefore by being more informed will be better able to answer any questions the Press might ask.
There is one other factor worth considering. It is feasible, although unlikely, that Hyppia might have finalised who some of his back room team (in addition to Jones) might be by Thursday and that could be announced at the same time.
Arranging Press briefings is not always quite as straight forward as one would like it to be.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: Why wait until Thursday to start properly when he was given the job on Friday? That's nearly another week in which players we want may sign somewhere else, it's taken so long to get the manager in, we really need to crack on and build the squad, it's all happening at a snails pace. I'd have thought he would start this morning and not hang around for an extra week. The world cup will be a distraction on thursday, we could have got in before it and made a start, now not much will happen for another few weeks and there's not a second to lose.[/p][/quote]He's merely being introduced to the media on Thursday, it's not his official start date, even if it is also the day he arrives in England. As the story suggests, he's already started working and you can review matches and performances from anywhere on the world and have preliminary conversations too for that matter. It's not as if he's missing training at the moment or the chance to talk with the current players face to face. As for the World Cup, it's surely only a distraction from a media point of view. Certainly, there won't be much space for a report from his press conference over and above The Argus but I'm not sure the World Cup will be the centre of our universe when it comes to signings so It's irrelevant in terms of the level of players we're likely to want to speak to.[/p][/quote]I think it is worth remembering a couple of things Firstly Hyypia won't be the only person from BHA attending the press conference, lTony Bloom and presumably Paul Barber will be as well. It is quite possible that Thursday is the first day all of them are available to meet the Press. Obviously there wouldn't be much point in holding the meeting if for example TB couldn't be there. Secondly Hyppia will have had more time by Thursday to get up to speed about all aspects of the playing side of the club (including assessing the players) and therefore by being more informed will be better able to answer any questions the Press might ask. There is one other factor worth considering. It is feasible, although unlikely, that Hyppia might have finalised who some of his back room team (in addition to Jones) might be by Thursday and that could be announced at the same time. Arranging Press briefings is not always quite as straight forward as one would like it to be. ballantrrae
  • Score: 13

10:05am Mon 9 Jun 14

Baldseagull says...

argy seagull wrote:
Imho the club/manager face four key challenges
1. Motivation of players. Team members in the second half of their careers are unlikely to want to commit employment suicide by achieving promotion then to be demoted to the reserves or being forced to leave the club. This might have been an element in the poor showings in the last two playoffs. The solution maybe is to concentrate on youth (internally developed or bought in) and loaned players. Both of these types of players should be hungrier for success than the more journeyman type of player. Sami may well have a key advantage here in his relationship with Liverpool. If we could become the natural training ground for Liverpool’s youth that can’t make their first team then that must benefit both clubs
2. The combination of parachute payments and the FFP regulations is a killer to clubs like Brighton. At any one time we are competing with up to 12 clubs receiving parachute payments. At the same time penalties under the FFP rules act against any major player spends that end in failure to achieve promotion. The strategy above in investing in youth/loanees helps of course but nevertheless money still has to be invested. TB has to judge when the time is right (assuming he has the cash and is willing to gamble it of course). Does he risk a small amount and keep within the rules or, ignore FFP, and go for it big time and accept the financial penalty is successful (easily outweighed by all the other financial benefits)or the transfer embargo if not?
3. The poor home record. The win percentage is far worse than all the teams (Reading excluded) above and below us. Full stadiums should make for better atmosphere and player motivation – but not seemingly in our case. We get the same number of wins away with the support of a couple of thousand than at home with the support of 27,000. Something is wrong somewhere. It would be interesting to hear what the players say and ideas the club has to change this
4. The lack of goals scored and chances created. Already commented on a lot so only included for completeness
1. I disagree, how is it employment suicide to be part of a successful team? Promotion winning players are always in demand.

2. Parachute payments are a problem, but FFP is a benefit to clubs like Brighton, that want to run within a self supporting budget. It allows those with a bigger fan base and therefore a larger turnover to have a bigger budget than a small club with a moneybags owner. Clubs need to grow their fanbase to increase their chances, rather than find a benefactor.

3. This is a problem.

4. We created a reasonable number of chances last season, just couldn't shoot for toffee. According to The Football League stats, Burnley had about 10 more shots at goal than us all season, but got thirty more on target, and scored 17 more.
[quote][p][bold]argy seagull[/bold] wrote: Imho the club/manager face four key challenges 1. Motivation of players. Team members in the second half of their careers are unlikely to want to commit employment suicide by achieving promotion then to be demoted to the reserves or being forced to leave the club. This might have been an element in the poor showings in the last two playoffs. The solution maybe is to concentrate on youth (internally developed or bought in) and loaned players. Both of these types of players should be hungrier for success than the more journeyman type of player. Sami may well have a key advantage here in his relationship with Liverpool. If we could become the natural training ground for Liverpool’s youth that can’t make their first team then that must benefit both clubs 2. The combination of parachute payments and the FFP regulations is a killer to clubs like Brighton. At any one time we are competing with up to 12 clubs receiving parachute payments. At the same time penalties under the FFP rules act against any major player spends that end in failure to achieve promotion. The strategy above in investing in youth/loanees helps of course but nevertheless money still has to be invested. TB has to judge when the time is right (assuming he has the cash and is willing to gamble it of course). Does he risk a small amount and keep within the rules or, ignore FFP, and go for it big time and accept the financial penalty is successful (easily outweighed by all the other financial benefits)or the transfer embargo if not? 3. The poor home record. The win percentage is far worse than all the teams (Reading excluded) above and below us. Full stadiums should make for better atmosphere and player motivation – but not seemingly in our case. We get the same number of wins away with the support of a couple of thousand than at home with the support of 27,000. Something is wrong somewhere. It would be interesting to hear what the players say and ideas the club has to change this 4. The lack of goals scored and chances created. Already commented on a lot so only included for completeness[/p][/quote]1. I disagree, how is it employment suicide to be part of a successful team? Promotion winning players are always in demand. 2. Parachute payments are a problem, but FFP is a benefit to clubs like Brighton, that want to run within a self supporting budget. It allows those with a bigger fan base and therefore a larger turnover to have a bigger budget than a small club with a moneybags owner. Clubs need to grow their fanbase to increase their chances, rather than find a benefactor. 3. This is a problem. 4. We created a reasonable number of chances last season, just couldn't shoot for toffee. According to The Football League stats, Burnley had about 10 more shots at goal than us all season, but got thirty more on target, and scored 17 more. Baldseagull
  • Score: 6

10:17am Mon 9 Jun 14

Quiterie says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
Funny how two people can read the same article and interpret it very differently. The phrase "Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing" suggests to me that he'll be expected to pick new signings from the list already put together by the Scouting team.

That's the total opposite to "identifying the players he wants".
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]Funny how two people can read the same article and interpret it very differently. The phrase "Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing" suggests to me that he'll be expected to pick new signings from the list already put together by the Scouting team. That's the total opposite to "identifying the players he wants". Quiterie
  • Score: 9

10:41am Mon 9 Jun 14

pjwilk says...

Those words from Burke,within the budget leaves a lot of wriggle room to not buy the right players.Rather he said we will do our best to find a way of getting players Sami wants and needs.Can we stretch to bringing back Gullies Girls they improved the atmosphere.(it was a bit penny pinching to get rid of them)
Those words from Burke,within the budget leaves a lot of wriggle room to not buy the right players.Rather he said we will do our best to find a way of getting players Sami wants and needs.Can we stretch to bringing back Gullies Girls they improved the atmosphere.(it was a bit penny pinching to get rid of them) pjwilk
  • Score: 3

10:43am Mon 9 Jun 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Whatever people's opinions and interpretations are, on here, you can be sure of one thing.
Sami is working very hard to make sure he hits the ground running, and I'd be very surprised if his legs aren't pumping like steam engine pistons already. UTA
Whatever people's opinions and interpretations are, on here, you can be sure of one thing. Sami is working very hard to make sure he hits the ground running, and I'd be very surprised if his legs aren't pumping like steam engine pistons already. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 7

10:49am Mon 9 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

The Barber statement looks like he has been reading comments on the argus site and fire fighting them,
How lucky someone had the nouse not to sack jones as his inside knowledge is important, that was clearly missing from sherwood when he wanted Ferdinand and Ramsey!
Why can't barber come out and say hhypia will select his own players rather than a mixed message?
The Barber statement looks like he has been reading comments on the argus site and fire fighting them, How lucky someone had the nouse not to sack jones as his inside knowledge is important, that was clearly missing from sherwood when he wanted Ferdinand and Ramsey! Why can't barber come out and say hhypia will select his own players rather than a mixed message? mark by the sea
  • Score: -4

11:03am Mon 9 Jun 14

Baldseagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
The Barber statement looks like he has been reading comments on the argus site and fire fighting them,
How lucky someone had the nouse not to sack jones as his inside knowledge is important, that was clearly missing from sherwood when he wanted Ferdinand and Ramsey!
Why can't barber come out and say hhypia will select his own players rather than a mixed message?
We know how player recruitment works at Brighton, nothing has changed.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: The Barber statement looks like he has been reading comments on the argus site and fire fighting them, How lucky someone had the nouse not to sack jones as his inside knowledge is important, that was clearly missing from sherwood when he wanted Ferdinand and Ramsey! Why can't barber come out and say hhypia will select his own players rather than a mixed message?[/p][/quote]We know how player recruitment works at Brighton, nothing has changed. Baldseagull
  • Score: 4

11:23am Mon 9 Jun 14

Claude Back says...

Quiterie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
Funny how two people can read the same article and interpret it very differently. The phrase "Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing" suggests to me that he'll be expected to pick new signings from the list already put together by the Scouting team.

That's the total opposite to "identifying the players he wants".
I agree. That is exactly what it means.
However, Jeff Lomer thinks AIS is so wonderful that we should all immediately say the same as him, so he won't agree. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]Funny how two people can read the same article and interpret it very differently. The phrase "Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing" suggests to me that he'll be expected to pick new signings from the list already put together by the Scouting team. That's the total opposite to "identifying the players he wants".[/p][/quote]I agree. That is exactly what it means. However, Jeff Lomer thinks AIS is so wonderful that we should all immediately say the same as him, so he won't agree. ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: 3

11:41am Mon 9 Jun 14

Claude Back says...

keswick wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
That wont be enough for some of those on this site, particularly those that claim to have someone with 'inside knowledge'. It also clarifies SH rationale for retaining NJ. Now perhaps the same people will get off his back. True supporters will now back the new management team and see the continued development of the club.
It's strange that S.H. allegedly wanted to keep Jones so he could update him on the club and players etc. I cannot see him keeping him for long.
Usually when a manager of any organisation comes in he will start with a 'clean slate' and tell everyone so. It is the clichéd thing to do. You don't change much to begin with until you have a fair understanding of what needs to be corrected, if anything. You don't just accept what others tell you...not if you are any good anyway.
However, if you are 'guided' by someone else's opinion from the start then certain staff (in this case players) may be unfairly prejudiced. I would have thought that Sami would want to make up his own mind about everything so I am not buying this 'He wanted to keep Jones' story. I cannot image Ferguson, Wenger or Clough Snr agreeing to this for example.I think Sami is prepared to go along with this f.t.b.
This is not necessarily a criticism of Jones who, although I and others believe was only employed originally for his bi-lingual skill, may have other latent talents. Thing is, he seems to be very good at concealing them. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]keswick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]That wont be enough for some of those on this site, particularly those that claim to have someone with 'inside knowledge'. It also clarifies SH rationale for retaining NJ. Now perhaps the same people will get off his back. True supporters will now back the new management team and see the continued development of the club.[/p][/quote]It's strange that S.H. allegedly wanted to keep Jones so he could update him on the club and players etc. I cannot see him keeping him for long. Usually when a manager of any organisation comes in he will start with a 'clean slate' and tell everyone so. It is the clichéd thing to do. You don't change much to begin with until you have a fair understanding of what needs to be corrected, if anything. You don't just accept what others tell you...not if you are any good anyway. However, if you are 'guided' by someone else's opinion from the start then certain staff (in this case players) may be unfairly prejudiced. I would have thought that Sami would want to make up his own mind about everything so I am not buying this 'He wanted to keep Jones' story. I cannot image Ferguson, Wenger or Clough Snr agreeing to this for example.I think Sami is prepared to go along with this f.t.b. This is not necessarily a criticism of Jones who, although I and others believe was only employed originally for his bi-lingual skill, may have other latent talents. Thing is, he seems to be very good at concealing them. ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: 0

11:49am Mon 9 Jun 14

Jonathan Mouette says...

Read the article again... Barber added: “He feels it is very important to have a coach with existing knowledge of the club and of our squad as part of his group.”
There are close on 25,000 people in the Amex with more knowledge of the club and squad than Jones. B&B are going to fight tooth and nail to keep their man in the dressing room - it is only a matter of time before SH sees through this and tries to assert his authority. Whether he does or not will become obvious around the end of the January transfer window. UTA...
Read the article again... Barber added: “He feels it is very important to have a coach with existing knowledge of the club and of our squad as part of his group.” There are close on 25,000 people in the Amex with more knowledge of the club and squad than Jones. B&B are going to fight tooth and nail to keep their man in the dressing room - it is only a matter of time before SH sees through this and tries to assert his authority. Whether he does or not will become obvious around the end of the January transfer window. UTA... Jonathan Mouette
  • Score: -19

12:27pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Cap'n Pugwash says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Why wait until Thursday to start properly when he was given the job on Friday? That's nearly another week in which players we want may sign somewhere else, it's taken so long to get the manager in, we really need to crack on and build the squad, it's all happening at a snails pace. I'd have thought he would start this morning and not hang around for an extra week. The world cup will be a distraction on thursday, we could have got in before it and made a start, now not much will happen for another few weeks and there's not a second to lose.
He's merely being introduced to the media on Thursday, it's not his official start date, even if it is also the day he arrives in England.
As the story suggests, he's already started working and you can review matches and performances from anywhere on the world and have preliminary conversations too for that matter. It's not as if he's missing training at the moment or the chance to talk with the current players face to face.
As for the World Cup, it's surely only a distraction from a media point of view. Certainly, there won't be much space for a report from his press conference over and above The Argus but I'm not sure the World Cup will be the centre of our universe when it comes to signings so It's irrelevant in terms of the level of players we're likely to want to speak to.
You'd have thought the club would have done the press conference first thing this morning though, considering he was appointed on Friday, can't understand waiting until Thursday, it just feels like there's a real lack of urgency. Sami himself clearly knows who he wants and should be allowed to get the bit between his teeth and sort out the squad. It sounds like the board are causing the delays and I can't see any good reason for it at all.
Just because nobody in the press has been handed a list of players the club/Hyypia are interested in to placate the bedwetters on here doesn't mean there's nothing going on. If the last three or four seasons should have taught people like you -the club does not blab to the press until deals are done. They've learned from DK's days where names were made public, only for the likes of Reading and others to nip in, offer more money and nab our prospects-letting us do their scouting for them. The Albion is a much smarter club now. Not knocking DK's fantastic work when he was in charge before anybody thinks I am. He had to generate interest to get bums on seats at Withdean-we've grown up now and TB keeps his cards close to his chest. Rightly so.

As for the World Cup-do you seriously think it will stop a Championship club(s) from doing business?
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: Why wait until Thursday to start properly when he was given the job on Friday? That's nearly another week in which players we want may sign somewhere else, it's taken so long to get the manager in, we really need to crack on and build the squad, it's all happening at a snails pace. I'd have thought he would start this morning and not hang around for an extra week. The world cup will be a distraction on thursday, we could have got in before it and made a start, now not much will happen for another few weeks and there's not a second to lose.[/p][/quote]He's merely being introduced to the media on Thursday, it's not his official start date, even if it is also the day he arrives in England. As the story suggests, he's already started working and you can review matches and performances from anywhere on the world and have preliminary conversations too for that matter. It's not as if he's missing training at the moment or the chance to talk with the current players face to face. As for the World Cup, it's surely only a distraction from a media point of view. Certainly, there won't be much space for a report from his press conference over and above The Argus but I'm not sure the World Cup will be the centre of our universe when it comes to signings so It's irrelevant in terms of the level of players we're likely to want to speak to.[/p][/quote]You'd have thought the club would have done the press conference first thing this morning though, considering he was appointed on Friday, can't understand waiting until Thursday, it just feels like there's a real lack of urgency. Sami himself clearly knows who he wants and should be allowed to get the bit between his teeth and sort out the squad. It sounds like the board are causing the delays and I can't see any good reason for it at all.[/p][/quote]Just because nobody in the press has been handed a list of players the club/Hyypia are interested in to placate the bedwetters on here doesn't mean there's nothing going on. If the last three or four seasons should have taught people like you -the club does not blab to the press until deals are done. They've learned from DK's days where names were made public, only for the likes of Reading and others to nip in, offer more money and nab our prospects-letting us do their scouting for them. The Albion is a much smarter club now. Not knocking DK's fantastic work when he was in charge before anybody thinks I am. He had to generate interest to get bums on seats at Withdean-we've grown up now and TB keeps his cards close to his chest. Rightly so. As for the World Cup-do you seriously think it will stop a Championship club(s) from doing business? Cap'n Pugwash
  • Score: 12

12:31pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Cap'n Pugwash says...

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Read the article again... Barber added: “He feels it is very important to have a coach with existing knowledge of the club and of our squad as part of his group.”
There are close on 25,000 people in the Amex with more knowledge of the club and squad than Jones. B&B are going to fight tooth and nail to keep their man in the dressing room - it is only a matter of time before SH sees through this and tries to assert his authority. Whether he does or not will become obvious around the end of the January transfer window. UTA...
So, Jones works with the players every day but knows less about the club and its players than supporters who see the team for 90 minutes every 2 weeks?

Explain how that works please.
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Read the article again... Barber added: “He feels it is very important to have a coach with existing knowledge of the club and of our squad as part of his group.” There are close on 25,000 people in the Amex with more knowledge of the club and squad than Jones. B&B are going to fight tooth and nail to keep their man in the dressing room - it is only a matter of time before SH sees through this and tries to assert his authority. Whether he does or not will become obvious around the end of the January transfer window. UTA...[/p][/quote]So, Jones works with the players every day but knows less about the club and its players than supporters who see the team for 90 minutes every 2 weeks? Explain how that works please. Cap'n Pugwash
  • Score: 25

1:25pm Mon 9 Jun 14

ballantrrae says...

Quiterie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
Funny how two people can read the same article and interpret it very differently. The phrase "Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing" suggests to me that he'll be expected to pick new signings from the list already put together by the Scouting team.

That's the total opposite to "identifying the players he wants".
I think it is worth reading what Barber said in ful since, what the Argus reported was an edited version. There is a 'second' paragraph which qualifies what was initially said about the recruiting process The full text of the relevant part in the club's statement on is website is as follows :-
"Working closely with the Chairman and our scouting team, Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing, and identify those specific players he wants to bring in. Providing those players are available and within our budget, we will o our best to get them.

The scouting and recruitment department, led by David (Burke), are there to assist the manager; highlighting which players are available and by providing analysis and background information on all the various options".

It seems that PB has taken this opportunity to clarify the club's strategy and its practical processes when recruiting as well as defining where the responsibility for different elements in the process lie. Importantly the final decision will be Hyypia's
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]Funny how two people can read the same article and interpret it very differently. The phrase "Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing" suggests to me that he'll be expected to pick new signings from the list already put together by the Scouting team. That's the total opposite to "identifying the players he wants".[/p][/quote]I think it is worth reading what Barber said in ful since, what the Argus reported was an edited version. There is a 'second' paragraph which qualifies what was initially said about the recruiting process The full text of the relevant part in the club's statement on is website is as follows :- "Working closely with the Chairman and our scouting team, Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing, and identify those specific players he wants to bring in. Providing those players are available and within our budget, we will o our best to get them. The scouting and recruitment department, led by David (Burke), are there to assist the manager; highlighting which players are available and by providing analysis and background information on all the various options". It seems that PB has taken this opportunity to clarify the club's strategy and its practical processes when recruiting as well as defining where the responsibility for different elements in the process lie. Importantly the final decision will be Hyypia's ballantrrae
  • Score: 9

1:25pm Mon 9 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

Claude Back wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
Funny how two people can read the same article and interpret it very differently. The phrase "Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing" suggests to me that he'll be expected to pick new signings from the list already put together by the Scouting team.

That's the total opposite to "identifying the players he wants".
I agree. That is exactly what it means.
However, Jeff Lomer thinks AIS is so wonderful that we should all immediately say the same as him, so he won't agree. ;-)
Claude the difference between most posters on here than you they try to join in the conversation were as you scroll down and see who you can pick on for the day, try having your own view about the thread for a change instead off agreeing with someone else, couldn't tell you the last time I read one off your posts, you were even bullied at school or your just sad, I i said last week Claude scroll past them no need to be abusive all the time, yer I think Staff talks sense you don't that's up to you, not bothered what you think!!
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]Funny how two people can read the same article and interpret it very differently. The phrase "Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing" suggests to me that he'll be expected to pick new signings from the list already put together by the Scouting team. That's the total opposite to "identifying the players he wants".[/p][/quote]I agree. That is exactly what it means. However, Jeff Lomer thinks AIS is so wonderful that we should all immediately say the same as him, so he won't agree. ;-)[/p][/quote]Claude the difference between most posters on here than you they try to join in the conversation were as you scroll down and see who you can pick on for the day, try having your own view about the thread for a change instead off agreeing with someone else, couldn't tell you the last time I read one off your posts, you were even bullied at school or your just sad, I i said last week Claude scroll past them no need to be abusive all the time, yer I think Staff talks sense you don't that's up to you, not bothered what you think!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -4

1:45pm Mon 9 Jun 14

pte says...

mark by the sea wrote:
The Barber statement looks like he has been reading comments on the argus site and fire fighting them,
How lucky someone had the nouse not to sack jones as his inside knowledge is important, that was clearly missing from sherwood when he wanted Ferdinand and Ramsey!
Why can't barber come out and say hhypia will select his own players rather than a mixed message?
Not only does Barber or his assistant read the Argus posts but they also have their assistants post comments themselves. They are also prolific in the thumbs up/down department too.

On the transfer front we are not getting Matty Fry-up, he's going to Forest
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: The Barber statement looks like he has been reading comments on the argus site and fire fighting them, How lucky someone had the nouse not to sack jones as his inside knowledge is important, that was clearly missing from sherwood when he wanted Ferdinand and Ramsey! Why can't barber come out and say hhypia will select his own players rather than a mixed message?[/p][/quote]Not only does Barber or his assistant read the Argus posts but they also have their assistants post comments themselves. They are also prolific in the thumbs up/down department too. On the transfer front we are not getting Matty Fry-up, he's going to Forest pte
  • Score: -9

2:09pm Mon 9 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Well it seems that some on here think that Hyypia won't be identifying his own transfer targets, that it's more a case of him identifying a position that needs filling, and then he will be told to choose from a list others have compiled.

Let's look at the back four, an area that clearly needs sorting out, if the, 'others,' suggest we sign Ward, the videos tell of his contributions, would that be a wrong thing to do?
We need a couple of center backs, the, 'others,' might have a list, but Hyypia has contacts he might just say no thanks, I can get better.
We have scouts, they work in different parts of Europe, I would bet that Sami knows more about available talent in Germany than all our scouts put together.
Keeping Jones makes perfect sense, perfect for a couple of reasons. Sami can watch videos all day long but those videos will tell him little about the person. Jones can speak of certain players attitude or temperment and their work ethic on the training field. What will Hyypia learn about Kemmy from watching videos, I doubt he features at all, but Sami will have questins about him and Jones can answer those questions. Buckley will look good on video but what about his persistent injuries, Jones and the medical team can talk of this issue. Jones as head coach and given the situation we are in, brings a lot of info to the table.

Barber tells of Sami identifying the players he wants, he also says that if these players are available, 'within our budget,' we will do what we can to get them, does that not speak to the freedom Sami will have in building his squad.
Well it seems that some on here think that Hyypia won't be identifying his own transfer targets, that it's more a case of him identifying a position that needs filling, and then he will be told to choose from a list others have compiled. Let's look at the back four, an area that clearly needs sorting out, if the, 'others,' suggest we sign Ward, the videos tell of his contributions, would that be a wrong thing to do? We need a couple of center backs, the, 'others,' might have a list, but Hyypia has contacts he might just say no thanks, I can get better. We have scouts, they work in different parts of Europe, I would bet that Sami knows more about available talent in Germany than all our scouts put together. Keeping Jones makes perfect sense, perfect for a couple of reasons. Sami can watch videos all day long but those videos will tell him little about the person. Jones can speak of certain players attitude or temperment and their work ethic on the training field. What will Hyypia learn about Kemmy from watching videos, I doubt he features at all, but Sami will have questins about him and Jones can answer those questions. Buckley will look good on video but what about his persistent injuries, Jones and the medical team can talk of this issue. Jones as head coach and given the situation we are in, brings a lot of info to the table. Barber tells of Sami identifying the players he wants, he also says that if these players are available, 'within our budget,' we will do what we can to get them, does that not speak to the freedom Sami will have in building his squad. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 10

2:13pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

ballantrrae wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
Funny how two people can read the same article and interpret it very differently. The phrase "Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing" suggests to me that he'll be expected to pick new signings from the list already put together by the Scouting team.

That's the total opposite to "identifying the players he wants".
I think it is worth reading what Barber said in ful since, what the Argus reported was an edited version. There is a 'second' paragraph which qualifies what was initially said about the recruiting process The full text of the relevant part in the club's statement on is website is as follows :-
"Working closely with the Chairman and our scouting team, Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing, and identify those specific players he wants to bring in. Providing those players are available and within our budget, we will o our best to get them.

The scouting and recruitment department, led by David (Burke), are there to assist the manager; highlighting which players are available and by providing analysis and background information on all the various options".

It seems that PB has taken this opportunity to clarify the club's strategy and its practical processes when recruiting as well as defining where the responsibility for different elements in the process lie. Importantly the final decision will be Hyypia's
Precisely. Thank you B.
I find it difficult to understand why people think that someone as experienced in the game and it's people as Hyypia wouldn't have ensured he was as happy with us and our ways as we were with his.
And I'm quite sure (although to clarify, I don't of course know this) that if someone at the club suggested a centre half from the Dog & Duck and Hyypia said he preferred his own choice from Snooty's Wine Bar at the same cost, we'd be shopping at Snooty's.
People complain when the club say nothing (including me, sometimes) but when they say something, it's analysed dissected and rubbished. (By some)
No wonder they prefer to keep their own counsel....
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]Funny how two people can read the same article and interpret it very differently. The phrase "Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing" suggests to me that he'll be expected to pick new signings from the list already put together by the Scouting team. That's the total opposite to "identifying the players he wants".[/p][/quote]I think it is worth reading what Barber said in ful since, what the Argus reported was an edited version. There is a 'second' paragraph which qualifies what was initially said about the recruiting process The full text of the relevant part in the club's statement on is website is as follows :- "Working closely with the Chairman and our scouting team, Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing, and identify those specific players he wants to bring in. Providing those players are available and within our budget, we will o our best to get them. The scouting and recruitment department, led by David (Burke), are there to assist the manager; highlighting which players are available and by providing analysis and background information on all the various options". It seems that PB has taken this opportunity to clarify the club's strategy and its practical processes when recruiting as well as defining where the responsibility for different elements in the process lie. Importantly the final decision will be Hyypia's[/p][/quote]Precisely. Thank you B. I find it difficult to understand why people think that someone as experienced in the game and it's people as Hyypia wouldn't have ensured he was as happy with us and our ways as we were with his. And I'm quite sure (although to clarify, I don't of course know this) that if someone at the club suggested a centre half from the Dog & Duck and Hyypia said he preferred his own choice from Snooty's Wine Bar at the same cost, we'd be shopping at Snooty's. People complain when the club say nothing (including me, sometimes) but when they say something, it's analysed dissected and rubbished. (By some) No wonder they prefer to keep their own counsel.... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 10

2:13pm Mon 9 Jun 14

mikeygit says...

Many good points made above--but as far as I can see no one has mentioned that it is all very well looking at past videos, but the teams he has been viewing probably bear little resemblance to the current players he has---considering the number of last seasons players that are no longer at The Club. Probably good for him to identify the shortcomings in the style of play we used, the way he can improve the players he has--ie give Ulloa more support upfront or good ´feed players´ and , importantly, the players he will have to sign up that are able to play his/our style and fit in with our current players.-, plus all within the budget, and I wonder if we will be told or have an inkling as to what that will be. Good luck to him and I am sure next season we will have plenty to talk about--mostly, if not all,, GOOD
Many good points made above--but as far as I can see no one has mentioned that it is all very well looking at past videos, but the teams he has been viewing probably bear little resemblance to the current players he has---considering the number of last seasons players that are no longer at The Club. Probably good for him to identify the shortcomings in the style of play we used, the way he can improve the players he has--ie give Ulloa more support upfront or good ´feed players´ and , importantly, the players he will have to sign up that are able to play his/our style and fit in with our current players.-, plus all within the budget, and I wonder if we will be told or have an inkling as to what that will be. Good luck to him and I am sure next season we will have plenty to talk about--mostly, if not all,, GOOD mikeygit
  • Score: 1

2:14pm Mon 9 Jun 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Why don't you all get out in he sunshine instead of squabbling like rats in a sack. None of us clue what's going behind the scenes at the club and those who pretend they do - 'my contacts at the club told me Bloom realised too late that Oscar was useless' - 'as Mark McGhee said to me at the petrol pump' - are complete Bull£$&%$£%. Get out and enjoy the weather !
Why don't you all get out in he sunshine instead of squabbling like rats in a sack. None of us clue what's going behind the scenes at the club and those who pretend they do - 'my contacts at the club told me Bloom realised too late that Oscar was useless' - 'as Mark McGhee said to me at the petrol pump' - are complete Bull£$&%$£%. Get out and enjoy the weather ! B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 5

2:18pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Claude Back wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
Funny how two people can read the same article and interpret it very differently. The phrase "Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing" suggests to me that he'll be expected to pick new signings from the list already put together by the Scouting team.

That's the total opposite to "identifying the players he wants".
I agree. That is exactly what it means.
However, Jeff Lomer thinks AIS is so wonderful that we should all immediately say the same as him, so he won't agree. ;-)
Steady down!!
Can I just put a stop to this personal analysis? Thanks.
We all have an opinion and if people agree with mine then great. If they don't, so what? Personally, I don't know any of you, but we all have one thing in common and sometimes that gets forgotten!
For the record, the only people I don't like conversing with on here are those who, for example, reflect their opinion and then write 'FACT' after it. Actually, I think most of us dislike it, but the minority always get noticed.
Thanks. Let's move on.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]Funny how two people can read the same article and interpret it very differently. The phrase "Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing" suggests to me that he'll be expected to pick new signings from the list already put together by the Scouting team. That's the total opposite to "identifying the players he wants".[/p][/quote]I agree. That is exactly what it means. However, Jeff Lomer thinks AIS is so wonderful that we should all immediately say the same as him, so he won't agree. ;-)[/p][/quote]Steady down!! Can I just put a stop to this personal analysis? Thanks. We all have an opinion and if people agree with mine then great. If they don't, so what? Personally, I don't know any of you, but we all have one thing in common and sometimes that gets forgotten! For the record, the only people I don't like conversing with on here are those who, for example, reflect their opinion and then write 'FACT' after it. Actually, I think most of us dislike it, but the minority always get noticed. Thanks. Let's move on. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 7

2:25pm Mon 9 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Well it seems that some on here think that Hyypia won't be identifying his own transfer targets, that it's more a case of him identifying a position that needs filling, and then he will be told to choose from a list others have compiled.

Let's look at the back four, an area that clearly needs sorting out, if the, 'others,' suggest we sign Ward, the videos tell of his contributions, would that be a wrong thing to do?
We need a couple of center backs, the, 'others,' might have a list, but Hyypia has contacts he might just say no thanks, I can get better.
We have scouts, they work in different parts of Europe, I would bet that Sami knows more about available talent in Germany than all our scouts put together.
Keeping Jones makes perfect sense, perfect for a couple of reasons. Sami can watch videos all day long but those videos will tell him little about the person. Jones can speak of certain players attitude or temperment and their work ethic on the training field. What will Hyypia learn about Kemmy from watching videos, I doubt he features at all, but Sami will have questins about him and Jones can answer those questions. Buckley will look good on video but what about his persistent injuries, Jones and the medical team can talk of this issue. Jones as head coach and given the situation we are in, brings a lot of info to the table.

Barber tells of Sami identifying the players he wants, he also says that if these players are available, 'within our budget,' we will do what we can to get them, does that not speak to the freedom Sami will have in building his squad.
Vegas you agree with the club whatever, how on earth is sami sure he can work with jones? Funny the coaching staff from Spain was shown the door , jones has been here as long as all those coaching staff.
Seriously the stress of managing a club is one thing but to say sami wanted jones is beyond anyone taking those words seriously, are you serious that sami wanted a coach who may not agree with his principles? The jones knows the squad line is thin as it can get, I have no doubt jones was going to stay whoever was employed.
As for knowing the players, players are purchased knowing very little about a player outside the ground, there have been fights galore in training, players not speaking, that happens at every club, we are about to see 7-8 players coming in over next 4 weeks,,so the structure of the changing room will change .
As for the search for the new manager being ' thorough ' hardly going to say anything other is he?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Well it seems that some on here think that Hyypia won't be identifying his own transfer targets, that it's more a case of him identifying a position that needs filling, and then he will be told to choose from a list others have compiled. Let's look at the back four, an area that clearly needs sorting out, if the, 'others,' suggest we sign Ward, the videos tell of his contributions, would that be a wrong thing to do? We need a couple of center backs, the, 'others,' might have a list, but Hyypia has contacts he might just say no thanks, I can get better. We have scouts, they work in different parts of Europe, I would bet that Sami knows more about available talent in Germany than all our scouts put together. Keeping Jones makes perfect sense, perfect for a couple of reasons. Sami can watch videos all day long but those videos will tell him little about the person. Jones can speak of certain players attitude or temperment and their work ethic on the training field. What will Hyypia learn about Kemmy from watching videos, I doubt he features at all, but Sami will have questins about him and Jones can answer those questions. Buckley will look good on video but what about his persistent injuries, Jones and the medical team can talk of this issue. Jones as head coach and given the situation we are in, brings a lot of info to the table. Barber tells of Sami identifying the players he wants, he also says that if these players are available, 'within our budget,' we will do what we can to get them, does that not speak to the freedom Sami will have in building his squad.[/p][/quote]Vegas you agree with the club whatever, how on earth is sami sure he can work with jones? Funny the coaching staff from Spain was shown the door , jones has been here as long as all those coaching staff. Seriously the stress of managing a club is one thing but to say sami wanted jones is beyond anyone taking those words seriously, are you serious that sami wanted a coach who may not agree with his principles? The jones knows the squad line is thin as it can get, I have no doubt jones was going to stay whoever was employed. As for knowing the players, players are purchased knowing very little about a player outside the ground, there have been fights galore in training, players not speaking, that happens at every club, we are about to see 7-8 players coming in over next 4 weeks,,so the structure of the changing room will change . As for the search for the new manager being ' thorough ' hardly going to say anything other is he? mark by the sea
  • Score: -6

2:46pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Why don't you all get out in he sunshine instead of squabbling like rats in a sack. None of us clue what's going behind the scenes at the club and those who pretend they do - 'my contacts at the club told me Bloom realised too late that Oscar was useless' - 'as Mark McGhee said to me at the petrol pump' - are complete Bull£$&%$£%. Get out and enjoy the weather !
Quite right.
We know nothing. It's all conjecture.
The average fly on the wall knows more than we do.
We turn up every fortnight for our football fix of the Albion and we can express our opinions based on what we see. But what goes on behind the scenes is pure conjecture.
It's all tittle tattle based on what we think we know.
Now, where's the factor 30. UTA
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Why don't you all get out in he sunshine instead of squabbling like rats in a sack. None of us clue what's going behind the scenes at the club and those who pretend they do - 'my contacts at the club told me Bloom realised too late that Oscar was useless' - 'as Mark McGhee said to me at the petrol pump' - are complete Bull£$&%$£%. Get out and enjoy the weather ![/p][/quote]Quite right. We know nothing. It's all conjecture. The average fly on the wall knows more than we do. We turn up every fortnight for our football fix of the Albion and we can express our opinions based on what we see. But what goes on behind the scenes is pure conjecture. It's all tittle tattle based on what we think we know. Now, where's the factor 30. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 4

2:53pm Mon 9 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Well it seems that some on here think that Hyypia won't be identifying his own transfer targets, that it's more a case of him identifying a position that needs filling, and then he will be told to choose from a list others have compiled.

Let's look at the back four, an area that clearly needs sorting out, if the, 'others,' suggest we sign Ward, the videos tell of his contributions, would that be a wrong thing to do?
We need a couple of center backs, the, 'others,' might have a list, but Hyypia has contacts he might just say no thanks, I can get better.
We have scouts, they work in different parts of Europe, I would bet that Sami knows more about available talent in Germany than all our scouts put together.
Keeping Jones makes perfect sense, perfect for a couple of reasons. Sami can watch videos all day long but those videos will tell him little about the person. Jones can speak of certain players attitude or temperment and their work ethic on the training field. What will Hyypia learn about Kemmy from watching videos, I doubt he features at all, but Sami will have questins about him and Jones can answer those questions. Buckley will look good on video but what about his persistent injuries, Jones and the medical team can talk of this issue. Jones as head coach and given the situation we are in, brings a lot of info to the table.

Barber tells of Sami identifying the players he wants, he also says that if these players are available, 'within our budget,' we will do what we can to get them, does that not speak to the freedom Sami will have in building his squad.
Vegas you agree with the club whatever, how on earth is sami sure he can work with jones? Funny the coaching staff from Spain was shown the door , jones has been here as long as all those coaching staff.
Seriously the stress of managing a club is one thing but to say sami wanted jones is beyond anyone taking those words seriously, are you serious that sami wanted a coach who may not agree with his principles? The jones knows the squad line is thin as it can get, I have no doubt jones was going to stay whoever was employed.
As for knowing the players, players are purchased knowing very little about a player outside the ground, there have been fights galore in training, players not speaking, that happens at every club, we are about to see 7-8 players coming in over next 4 weeks,,so the structure of the changing room will change .
As for the search for the new manager being ' thorough ' hardly going to say anything other is he?
Mark you are clearly holding to your opinion that you, 'know,' more than some on here and certainly more than most.

My opinion re Jones is based on what I would consider to be a sensible move by Hyypia, now you may think the move wrong, but I don't. You prefer to see a shadowy hand behind most things that occur re the squad and recruitment, I don't. Keeping Jones does not stop Sami from appointing his own assistant manager and he will bring in other backroom staff. As he prepares to form his squad, and if he says Jones can help him during these early days of his reign, who are we to call him a liar, and that is what you are doing, isn't it.

Mark we only know what the club or Sami tells us, no more and no less. If you prefer to believe that it's all lies that's your choice, but I doubt many fans, and when I say fans, I mean all of them and not just the 30 or so that comment on this forum, I doubt many of those will agree with you.
So carry on with your glass half empty approach to the forum, it's what I expect, and if you think me foolish for thinking that the club isn't run by a bunch of bare faced liars, then so be it.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Well it seems that some on here think that Hyypia won't be identifying his own transfer targets, that it's more a case of him identifying a position that needs filling, and then he will be told to choose from a list others have compiled. Let's look at the back four, an area that clearly needs sorting out, if the, 'others,' suggest we sign Ward, the videos tell of his contributions, would that be a wrong thing to do? We need a couple of center backs, the, 'others,' might have a list, but Hyypia has contacts he might just say no thanks, I can get better. We have scouts, they work in different parts of Europe, I would bet that Sami knows more about available talent in Germany than all our scouts put together. Keeping Jones makes perfect sense, perfect for a couple of reasons. Sami can watch videos all day long but those videos will tell him little about the person. Jones can speak of certain players attitude or temperment and their work ethic on the training field. What will Hyypia learn about Kemmy from watching videos, I doubt he features at all, but Sami will have questins about him and Jones can answer those questions. Buckley will look good on video but what about his persistent injuries, Jones and the medical team can talk of this issue. Jones as head coach and given the situation we are in, brings a lot of info to the table. Barber tells of Sami identifying the players he wants, he also says that if these players are available, 'within our budget,' we will do what we can to get them, does that not speak to the freedom Sami will have in building his squad.[/p][/quote]Vegas you agree with the club whatever, how on earth is sami sure he can work with jones? Funny the coaching staff from Spain was shown the door , jones has been here as long as all those coaching staff. Seriously the stress of managing a club is one thing but to say sami wanted jones is beyond anyone taking those words seriously, are you serious that sami wanted a coach who may not agree with his principles? The jones knows the squad line is thin as it can get, I have no doubt jones was going to stay whoever was employed. As for knowing the players, players are purchased knowing very little about a player outside the ground, there have been fights galore in training, players not speaking, that happens at every club, we are about to see 7-8 players coming in over next 4 weeks,,so the structure of the changing room will change . As for the search for the new manager being ' thorough ' hardly going to say anything other is he?[/p][/quote]Mark you are clearly holding to your opinion that you, 'know,' more than some on here and certainly more than most. My opinion re Jones is based on what I would consider to be a sensible move by Hyypia, now you may think the move wrong, but I don't. You prefer to see a shadowy hand behind most things that occur re the squad and recruitment, I don't. Keeping Jones does not stop Sami from appointing his own assistant manager and he will bring in other backroom staff. As he prepares to form his squad, and if he says Jones can help him during these early days of his reign, who are we to call him a liar, and that is what you are doing, isn't it. Mark we only know what the club or Sami tells us, no more and no less. If you prefer to believe that it's all lies that's your choice, but I doubt many fans, and when I say fans, I mean all of them and not just the 30 or so that comment on this forum, I doubt many of those will agree with you. So carry on with your glass half empty approach to the forum, it's what I expect, and if you think me foolish for thinking that the club isn't run by a bunch of bare faced liars, then so be it. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 15

3:03pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Oscar's Chin says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Why wait until Thursday to start properly when he was given the job on Friday? That's nearly another week in which players we want may sign somewhere else, it's taken so long to get the manager in, we really need to crack on and build the squad, it's all happening at a snails pace. I'd have thought he would start this morning and not hang around for an extra week. The world cup will be a distraction on thursday, we could have got in before it and made a start, now not much will happen for another few weeks and there's not a second to lose.
He's merely being introduced to the media on Thursday, it's not his official start date, even if it is also the day he arrives in England.
As the story suggests, he's already started working and you can review matches and performances from anywhere on the world and have preliminary conversations too for that matter. It's not as if he's missing training at the moment or the chance to talk with the current players face to face.
As for the World Cup, it's surely only a distraction from a media point of view. Certainly, there won't be much space for a report from his press conference over and above The Argus but I'm not sure the World Cup will be the centre of our universe when it comes to signings so It's irrelevant in terms of the level of players we're likely to want to speak to.
You'd have thought the club would have done the press conference first thing this morning though, considering he was appointed on Friday, can't understand waiting until Thursday, it just feels like there's a real lack of urgency. Sami himself clearly knows who he wants and should be allowed to get the bit between his teeth and sort out the squad. It sounds like the board are causing the delays and I can't see any good reason for it at all.
Moving house and tying up loads of loose ends in (Germany? and) Finland.
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: Why wait until Thursday to start properly when he was given the job on Friday? That's nearly another week in which players we want may sign somewhere else, it's taken so long to get the manager in, we really need to crack on and build the squad, it's all happening at a snails pace. I'd have thought he would start this morning and not hang around for an extra week. The world cup will be a distraction on thursday, we could have got in before it and made a start, now not much will happen for another few weeks and there's not a second to lose.[/p][/quote]He's merely being introduced to the media on Thursday, it's not his official start date, even if it is also the day he arrives in England. As the story suggests, he's already started working and you can review matches and performances from anywhere on the world and have preliminary conversations too for that matter. It's not as if he's missing training at the moment or the chance to talk with the current players face to face. As for the World Cup, it's surely only a distraction from a media point of view. Certainly, there won't be much space for a report from his press conference over and above The Argus but I'm not sure the World Cup will be the centre of our universe when it comes to signings so It's irrelevant in terms of the level of players we're likely to want to speak to.[/p][/quote]You'd have thought the club would have done the press conference first thing this morning though, considering he was appointed on Friday, can't understand waiting until Thursday, it just feels like there's a real lack of urgency. Sami himself clearly knows who he wants and should be allowed to get the bit between his teeth and sort out the squad. It sounds like the board are causing the delays and I can't see any good reason for it at all.[/p][/quote]Moving house and tying up loads of loose ends in (Germany? and) Finland. Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 4

3:12pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Well it seems that some on here think that Hyypia won't be identifying his own transfer targets, that it's more a case of him identifying a position that needs filling, and then he will be told to choose from a list others have compiled.

Let's look at the back four, an area that clearly needs sorting out, if the, 'others,' suggest we sign Ward, the videos tell of his contributions, would that be a wrong thing to do?
We need a couple of center backs, the, 'others,' might have a list, but Hyypia has contacts he might just say no thanks, I can get better.
We have scouts, they work in different parts of Europe, I would bet that Sami knows more about available talent in Germany than all our scouts put together.
Keeping Jones makes perfect sense, perfect for a couple of reasons. Sami can watch videos all day long but those videos will tell him little about the person. Jones can speak of certain players attitude or temperment and their work ethic on the training field. What will Hyypia learn about Kemmy from watching videos, I doubt he features at all, but Sami will have questins about him and Jones can answer those questions. Buckley will look good on video but what about his persistent injuries, Jones and the medical team can talk of this issue. Jones as head coach and given the situation we are in, brings a lot of info to the table.

Barber tells of Sami identifying the players he wants, he also says that if these players are available, 'within our budget,' we will do what we can to get them, does that not speak to the freedom Sami will have in building his squad.
Vegas you agree with the club whatever, how on earth is sami sure he can work with jones? Funny the coaching staff from Spain was shown the door , jones has been here as long as all those coaching staff.
Seriously the stress of managing a club is one thing but to say sami wanted jones is beyond anyone taking those words seriously, are you serious that sami wanted a coach who may not agree with his principles? The jones knows the squad line is thin as it can get, I have no doubt jones was going to stay whoever was employed.
As for knowing the players, players are purchased knowing very little about a player outside the ground, there have been fights galore in training, players not speaking, that happens at every club, we are about to see 7-8 players coming in over next 4 weeks,,so the structure of the changing room will change .
As for the search for the new manager being ' thorough ' hardly going to say anything other is he?
Mark you are clearly holding to your opinion that you, 'know,' more than some on here and certainly more than most.

My opinion re Jones is based on what I would consider to be a sensible move by Hyypia, now you may think the move wrong, but I don't. You prefer to see a shadowy hand behind most things that occur re the squad and recruitment, I don't. Keeping Jones does not stop Sami from appointing his own assistant manager and he will bring in other backroom staff. As he prepares to form his squad, and if he says Jones can help him during these early days of his reign, who are we to call him a liar, and that is what you are doing, isn't it.

Mark we only know what the club or Sami tells us, no more and no less. If you prefer to believe that it's all lies that's your choice, but I doubt many fans, and when I say fans, I mean all of them and not just the 30 or so that comment on this forum, I doubt many of those will agree with you.
So carry on with your glass half empty approach to the forum, it's what I expect, and if you think me foolish for thinking that the club isn't run by a bunch of bare faced liars, then so be it.
MBTS, what you're actually saying is that Hyypia has accepted a job that from day one he's unhappy with. That's ridiculous.
I'm afraid that a player who has played and managed at the top of European football for twenty years, is unlikely to need to jump at the first job he sees - especially when he appears to have such a good reputation within the game.
To suggest he's had Jones forced upon him without his tacit approval is a comment without any foundation or logic.
Perhaps Jones DID come as part of the package and frankly, if that's the case, I think it makes perfect sense. Of course the make up of the playing staff may change dramatically in the next few weeks, but with Jones around, there's a measure of consistency in terms of what is needed - and why. If Hyypia didn't like what he saw, he wouldn't have taken the job.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Well it seems that some on here think that Hyypia won't be identifying his own transfer targets, that it's more a case of him identifying a position that needs filling, and then he will be told to choose from a list others have compiled. Let's look at the back four, an area that clearly needs sorting out, if the, 'others,' suggest we sign Ward, the videos tell of his contributions, would that be a wrong thing to do? We need a couple of center backs, the, 'others,' might have a list, but Hyypia has contacts he might just say no thanks, I can get better. We have scouts, they work in different parts of Europe, I would bet that Sami knows more about available talent in Germany than all our scouts put together. Keeping Jones makes perfect sense, perfect for a couple of reasons. Sami can watch videos all day long but those videos will tell him little about the person. Jones can speak of certain players attitude or temperment and their work ethic on the training field. What will Hyypia learn about Kemmy from watching videos, I doubt he features at all, but Sami will have questins about him and Jones can answer those questions. Buckley will look good on video but what about his persistent injuries, Jones and the medical team can talk of this issue. Jones as head coach and given the situation we are in, brings a lot of info to the table. Barber tells of Sami identifying the players he wants, he also says that if these players are available, 'within our budget,' we will do what we can to get them, does that not speak to the freedom Sami will have in building his squad.[/p][/quote]Vegas you agree with the club whatever, how on earth is sami sure he can work with jones? Funny the coaching staff from Spain was shown the door , jones has been here as long as all those coaching staff. Seriously the stress of managing a club is one thing but to say sami wanted jones is beyond anyone taking those words seriously, are you serious that sami wanted a coach who may not agree with his principles? The jones knows the squad line is thin as it can get, I have no doubt jones was going to stay whoever was employed. As for knowing the players, players are purchased knowing very little about a player outside the ground, there have been fights galore in training, players not speaking, that happens at every club, we are about to see 7-8 players coming in over next 4 weeks,,so the structure of the changing room will change . As for the search for the new manager being ' thorough ' hardly going to say anything other is he?[/p][/quote]Mark you are clearly holding to your opinion that you, 'know,' more than some on here and certainly more than most. My opinion re Jones is based on what I would consider to be a sensible move by Hyypia, now you may think the move wrong, but I don't. You prefer to see a shadowy hand behind most things that occur re the squad and recruitment, I don't. Keeping Jones does not stop Sami from appointing his own assistant manager and he will bring in other backroom staff. As he prepares to form his squad, and if he says Jones can help him during these early days of his reign, who are we to call him a liar, and that is what you are doing, isn't it. Mark we only know what the club or Sami tells us, no more and no less. If you prefer to believe that it's all lies that's your choice, but I doubt many fans, and when I say fans, I mean all of them and not just the 30 or so that comment on this forum, I doubt many of those will agree with you. So carry on with your glass half empty approach to the forum, it's what I expect, and if you think me foolish for thinking that the club isn't run by a bunch of bare faced liars, then so be it.[/p][/quote]MBTS, what you're actually saying is that Hyypia has accepted a job that from day one he's unhappy with. That's ridiculous. I'm afraid that a player who has played and managed at the top of European football for twenty years, is unlikely to need to jump at the first job he sees - especially when he appears to have such a good reputation within the game. To suggest he's had Jones forced upon him without his tacit approval is a comment without any foundation or logic. Perhaps Jones DID come as part of the package and frankly, if that's the case, I think it makes perfect sense. Of course the make up of the playing staff may change dramatically in the next few weeks, but with Jones around, there's a measure of consistency in terms of what is needed - and why. If Hyypia didn't like what he saw, he wouldn't have taken the job. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 16

3:19pm Mon 9 Jun 14

gordongull says...

''Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing, and identify those specific players he wants to bring in.''
That is a little ambiguous.
Is Sami restricted to 'identifying those specific players he wants to bring in', only from 'work the team has already been doing', (ie. choose players from a list)?
or can he identify specific players he wants to bring in that are not on any list?
Albion in Staffs has accrued +16 for saying, there can now be no doubt that Hyypia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Brighton bluenose has achieved -6 for stating that Sami is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists.
Is it possible that the statement from Mr Barber has been cleverly worded so as not to give any clarification at all?
''Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing, and identify those specific players he wants to bring in.'' That is a little ambiguous. Is Sami restricted to 'identifying those specific players he wants to bring in', only from 'work the team has already been doing', (ie. choose players from a list)? or can he identify specific players he wants to bring in that are not on any list? Albion in Staffs has accrued +16 for saying, there can now be no doubt that Hyypia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Brighton bluenose has achieved -6 for stating that Sami is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists. Is it possible that the statement from Mr Barber has been cleverly worded so as not to give any clarification at all? gordongull
  • Score: -2

3:28pm Mon 9 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

With a new manager installed, should we now expect to see futher bids come in for Ulloa. It seems quite reasonable to think that there wasn't any point in any club bidding for Leo whilst we were still in the throws of finding a new manager, the club would have just said, not at this time thank you.
Leicester got to 5 million in their attempt to get Leo but once that offer was turned down nothing new has been heard from them, or anyone else. We also heard of Arsenal wanting to sign up Walton as a long term project, as far as we know no offers were made, so could that report now grow some legs.
I read one report claiming that Hyypia's appointment could be really good for Liverpool, it suggested that they now have a new location of which to farm out some of their young talent, and possibly one or two of their older players nearing the end of their contracts. This report might be nothing more than speculation, and probably is, but it might not be. Had Hyypia not joined us, and if this report has some legs, did this connection have anything to do with Sami's appointment, did Bloom sound out Rodgers re a closer relationship, we know that they spoke to several people to build a better profile on Hyypia.

Interesting times ahead.
With a new manager installed, should we now expect to see futher bids come in for Ulloa. It seems quite reasonable to think that there wasn't any point in any club bidding for Leo whilst we were still in the throws of finding a new manager, the club would have just said, not at this time thank you. Leicester got to 5 million in their attempt to get Leo but once that offer was turned down nothing new has been heard from them, or anyone else. We also heard of Arsenal wanting to sign up Walton as a long term project, as far as we know no offers were made, so could that report now grow some legs. I read one report claiming that Hyypia's appointment could be really good for Liverpool, it suggested that they now have a new location of which to farm out some of their young talent, and possibly one or two of their older players nearing the end of their contracts. This report might be nothing more than speculation, and probably is, but it might not be. Had Hyypia not joined us, and if this report has some legs, did this connection have anything to do with Sami's appointment, did Bloom sound out Rodgers re a closer relationship, we know that they spoke to several people to build a better profile on Hyypia. Interesting times ahead. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

3:33pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

gordongull wrote:
''Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing, and identify those specific players he wants to bring in.''
That is a little ambiguous.
Is Sami restricted to 'identifying those specific players he wants to bring in', only from 'work the team has already been doing', (ie. choose players from a list)?
or can he identify specific players he wants to bring in that are not on any list?
Albion in Staffs has accrued +16 for saying, there can now be no doubt that Hyypia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Brighton bluenose has achieved -6 for stating that Sami is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists.
Is it possible that the statement from Mr Barber has been cleverly worded so as not to give any clarification at all?
Yes, of course it's possible, but personally, I don't believe that If Hyypia finds a player himself that he prefers for the same money but who isn't on "the club's" list, he'll be over-ruled.
But I do believe that as fans, we're getting bogged down in subjective irrelevance. If the players we sign are good enough to create a strong squad that's capable of another tilt at promotion, I don't care whether it's Little Red Riding Hood, Kermit The Frog or Mr. Bean who's picking 'em. Whatever the process, Hyypia agreed to join.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: ''Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing, and identify those specific players he wants to bring in.'' That is a little ambiguous. Is Sami restricted to 'identifying those specific players he wants to bring in', only from 'work the team has already been doing', (ie. choose players from a list)? or can he identify specific players he wants to bring in that are not on any list? Albion in Staffs has accrued +16 for saying, there can now be no doubt that Hyypia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Brighton bluenose has achieved -6 for stating that Sami is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists. Is it possible that the statement from Mr Barber has been cleverly worded so as not to give any clarification at all?[/p][/quote]Yes, of course it's possible, but personally, I don't believe that If Hyypia finds a player himself that he prefers for the same money but who isn't on "the club's" list, he'll be over-ruled. But I do believe that as fans, we're getting bogged down in subjective irrelevance. If the players we sign are good enough to create a strong squad that's capable of another tilt at promotion, I don't care whether it's Little Red Riding Hood, Kermit The Frog or Mr. Bean who's picking 'em. Whatever the process, Hyypia agreed to join. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 4

3:47pm Mon 9 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
gordongull wrote:
''Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing, and identify those specific players he wants to bring in.''
That is a little ambiguous.
Is Sami restricted to 'identifying those specific players he wants to bring in', only from 'work the team has already been doing', (ie. choose players from a list)?
or can he identify specific players he wants to bring in that are not on any list?
Albion in Staffs has accrued +16 for saying, there can now be no doubt that Hyypia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Brighton bluenose has achieved -6 for stating that Sami is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists.
Is it possible that the statement from Mr Barber has been cleverly worded so as not to give any clarification at all?
Yes, of course it's possible, but personally, I don't believe that If Hyypia finds a player himself that he prefers for the same money but who isn't on "the club's" list, he'll be over-ruled.
But I do believe that as fans, we're getting bogged down in subjective irrelevance. If the players we sign are good enough to create a strong squad that's capable of another tilt at promotion, I don't care whether it's Little Red Riding Hood, Kermit The Frog or Mr. Bean who's picking 'em. Whatever the process, Hyypia agreed to join.
Don't tell my wife that one about being 'bogged down in subjective irrelevance', Albion in Staffs.
She'll start using it every time I point out that there are inconsistencies to her stated opinions.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: ''Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing, and identify those specific players he wants to bring in.'' That is a little ambiguous. Is Sami restricted to 'identifying those specific players he wants to bring in', only from 'work the team has already been doing', (ie. choose players from a list)? or can he identify specific players he wants to bring in that are not on any list? Albion in Staffs has accrued +16 for saying, there can now be no doubt that Hyypia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Brighton bluenose has achieved -6 for stating that Sami is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists. Is it possible that the statement from Mr Barber has been cleverly worded so as not to give any clarification at all?[/p][/quote]Yes, of course it's possible, but personally, I don't believe that If Hyypia finds a player himself that he prefers for the same money but who isn't on "the club's" list, he'll be over-ruled. But I do believe that as fans, we're getting bogged down in subjective irrelevance. If the players we sign are good enough to create a strong squad that's capable of another tilt at promotion, I don't care whether it's Little Red Riding Hood, Kermit The Frog or Mr. Bean who's picking 'em. Whatever the process, Hyypia agreed to join.[/p][/quote]Don't tell my wife that one about being 'bogged down in subjective irrelevance', Albion in Staffs. She'll start using it every time I point out that there are inconsistencies to her stated opinions. gordongull
  • Score: 6

3:51pm Mon 9 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
gordongull wrote:
''Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing, and identify those specific players he wants to bring in.''
That is a little ambiguous.
Is Sami restricted to 'identifying those specific players he wants to bring in', only from 'work the team has already been doing', (ie. choose players from a list)?
or can he identify specific players he wants to bring in that are not on any list?
Albion in Staffs has accrued +16 for saying, there can now be no doubt that Hyypia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Brighton bluenose has achieved -6 for stating that Sami is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists.
Is it possible that the statement from Mr Barber has been cleverly worded so as not to give any clarification at all?
Yes, of course it's possible, but personally, I don't believe that If Hyypia finds a player himself that he prefers for the same money but who isn't on "the club's" list, he'll be over-ruled.
But I do believe that as fans, we're getting bogged down in subjective irrelevance. If the players we sign are good enough to create a strong squad that's capable of another tilt at promotion, I don't care whether it's Little Red Riding Hood, Kermit The Frog or Mr. Bean who's picking 'em. Whatever the process, Hyypia agreed to join.
We could look at this recruitment issue from a slightly different slant.
Hyypia wants to rebuild his management career, so is he likely to take a job where he is told who he can select his transfer targets from? If you were Sami, and in his position, would you put your reputation totally in the hands of others, or would you want to stand or fall on your own decisions?
If those that say Hyypia has little choice in his recruits and we have a good season, perhaps clubs will come calling for Burke and others as they are clearly good managers if it turns out that they formed the squad. Hyypia would have done nothing to build his reputation but Burke and Co would have regarding their own.

It's nonsense, IMHO, as Hyypia will build his own squad and will be assisted in that task by those employed to do so, it's his profile that needs a lift, not Burkes.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: ''Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing, and identify those specific players he wants to bring in.'' That is a little ambiguous. Is Sami restricted to 'identifying those specific players he wants to bring in', only from 'work the team has already been doing', (ie. choose players from a list)? or can he identify specific players he wants to bring in that are not on any list? Albion in Staffs has accrued +16 for saying, there can now be no doubt that Hyypia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Brighton bluenose has achieved -6 for stating that Sami is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists. Is it possible that the statement from Mr Barber has been cleverly worded so as not to give any clarification at all?[/p][/quote]Yes, of course it's possible, but personally, I don't believe that If Hyypia finds a player himself that he prefers for the same money but who isn't on "the club's" list, he'll be over-ruled. But I do believe that as fans, we're getting bogged down in subjective irrelevance. If the players we sign are good enough to create a strong squad that's capable of another tilt at promotion, I don't care whether it's Little Red Riding Hood, Kermit The Frog or Mr. Bean who's picking 'em. Whatever the process, Hyypia agreed to join.[/p][/quote]We could look at this recruitment issue from a slightly different slant. Hyypia wants to rebuild his management career, so is he likely to take a job where he is told who he can select his transfer targets from? If you were Sami, and in his position, would you put your reputation totally in the hands of others, or would you want to stand or fall on your own decisions? If those that say Hyypia has little choice in his recruits and we have a good season, perhaps clubs will come calling for Burke and others as they are clearly good managers if it turns out that they formed the squad. Hyypia would have done nothing to build his reputation but Burke and Co would have regarding their own. It's nonsense, IMHO, as Hyypia will build his own squad and will be assisted in that task by those employed to do so, it's his profile that needs a lift, not Burkes. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 8

3:56pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Hovite says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
I would respectfully suggest it says nothing of the sort - he is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists! Let's not forget he will have no real knowledge of players at our level so will be reliant on Burke, Jones and our scouting network who, one would hope, have not been sitting on their hands since the end of the season!!
Agree
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]I would respectfully suggest it says nothing of the sort - he is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists! Let's not forget he will have no real knowledge of players at our level so will be reliant on Burke, Jones and our scouting network who, one would hope, have not been sitting on their hands since the end of the season!![/p][/quote]Agree Hovite
  • Score: 1

4:17pm Mon 9 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Well it seems that some on here think that Hyypia won't be identifying his own transfer targets, that it's more a case of him identifying a position that needs filling, and then he will be told to choose from a list others have compiled.

Let's look at the back four, an area that clearly needs sorting out, if the, 'others,' suggest we sign Ward, the videos tell of his contributions, would that be a wrong thing to do?
We need a couple of center backs, the, 'others,' might have a list, but Hyypia has contacts he might just say no thanks, I can get better.
We have scouts, they work in different parts of Europe, I would bet that Sami knows more about available talent in Germany than all our scouts put together.
Keeping Jones makes perfect sense, perfect for a couple of reasons. Sami can watch videos all day long but those videos will tell him little about the person. Jones can speak of certain players attitude or temperment and their work ethic on the training field. What will Hyypia learn about Kemmy from watching videos, I doubt he features at all, but Sami will have questins about him and Jones can answer those questions. Buckley will look good on video but what about his persistent injuries, Jones and the medical team can talk of this issue. Jones as head coach and given the situation we are in, brings a lot of info to the table.

Barber tells of Sami identifying the players he wants, he also says that if these players are available, 'within our budget,' we will do what we can to get them, does that not speak to the freedom Sami will have in building his squad.
Vegas you agree with the club whatever, how on earth is sami sure he can work with jones? Funny the coaching staff from Spain was shown the door , jones has been here as long as all those coaching staff.
Seriously the stress of managing a club is one thing but to say sami wanted jones is beyond anyone taking those words seriously, are you serious that sami wanted a coach who may not agree with his principles? The jones knows the squad line is thin as it can get, I have no doubt jones was going to stay whoever was employed.
As for knowing the players, players are purchased knowing very little about a player outside the ground, there have been fights galore in training, players not speaking, that happens at every club, we are about to see 7-8 players coming in over next 4 weeks,,so the structure of the changing room will change .
As for the search for the new manager being ' thorough ' hardly going to say anything other is he?
Mark you are clearly holding to your opinion that you, 'know,' more than some on here and certainly more than most.

My opinion re Jones is based on what I would consider to be a sensible move by Hyypia, now you may think the move wrong, but I don't. You prefer to see a shadowy hand behind most things that occur re the squad and recruitment, I don't. Keeping Jones does not stop Sami from appointing his own assistant manager and he will bring in other backroom staff. As he prepares to form his squad, and if he says Jones can help him during these early days of his reign, who are we to call him a liar, and that is what you are doing, isn't it.

Mark we only know what the club or Sami tells us, no more and no less. If you prefer to believe that it's all lies that's your choice, but I doubt many fans, and when I say fans, I mean all of them and not just the 30 or so that comment on this forum, I doubt many of those will agree with you.
So carry on with your glass half empty approach to the forum, it's what I expect, and if you think me foolish for thinking that the club isn't run by a bunch of bare faced liars, then so be it.
MBTS, what you're actually saying is that Hyypia has accepted a job that from day one he's unhappy with. That's ridiculous.
I'm afraid that a player who has played and managed at the top of European football for twenty years, is unlikely to need to jump at the first job he sees - especially when he appears to have such a good reputation within the game.
To suggest he's had Jones forced upon him without his tacit approval is a comment without any foundation or logic.
Perhaps Jones DID come as part of the package and frankly, if that's the case, I think it makes perfect sense. Of course the make up of the playing staff may change dramatically in the next few weeks, but with Jones around, there's a measure of consistency in terms of what is needed - and why. If Hyypia didn't like what he saw, he wouldn't have taken the job.
Vegas , we are back to the days of white and booker, many on here said jones would stay either as head scout bottle washer or something, that's exactly what we said was going to happen!
The fact Barber came up with a plausible connection is a laugh, does Burke not know the players? He should know if he is buying or selling ,
We now have no head scout who will dissect reports on players , give second opinions on these players and offer a idea of there worth, potential and if they will fit our playing style! This is now all down to Burke , sounds more like barber and Burke have more control than they did last year!
Good luck to sami , but I don't think jones is in his camp, and that in a nut she'll is the problem in my eyes.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Well it seems that some on here think that Hyypia won't be identifying his own transfer targets, that it's more a case of him identifying a position that needs filling, and then he will be told to choose from a list others have compiled. Let's look at the back four, an area that clearly needs sorting out, if the, 'others,' suggest we sign Ward, the videos tell of his contributions, would that be a wrong thing to do? We need a couple of center backs, the, 'others,' might have a list, but Hyypia has contacts he might just say no thanks, I can get better. We have scouts, they work in different parts of Europe, I would bet that Sami knows more about available talent in Germany than all our scouts put together. Keeping Jones makes perfect sense, perfect for a couple of reasons. Sami can watch videos all day long but those videos will tell him little about the person. Jones can speak of certain players attitude or temperment and their work ethic on the training field. What will Hyypia learn about Kemmy from watching videos, I doubt he features at all, but Sami will have questins about him and Jones can answer those questions. Buckley will look good on video but what about his persistent injuries, Jones and the medical team can talk of this issue. Jones as head coach and given the situation we are in, brings a lot of info to the table. Barber tells of Sami identifying the players he wants, he also says that if these players are available, 'within our budget,' we will do what we can to get them, does that not speak to the freedom Sami will have in building his squad.[/p][/quote]Vegas you agree with the club whatever, how on earth is sami sure he can work with jones? Funny the coaching staff from Spain was shown the door , jones has been here as long as all those coaching staff. Seriously the stress of managing a club is one thing but to say sami wanted jones is beyond anyone taking those words seriously, are you serious that sami wanted a coach who may not agree with his principles? The jones knows the squad line is thin as it can get, I have no doubt jones was going to stay whoever was employed. As for knowing the players, players are purchased knowing very little about a player outside the ground, there have been fights galore in training, players not speaking, that happens at every club, we are about to see 7-8 players coming in over next 4 weeks,,so the structure of the changing room will change . As for the search for the new manager being ' thorough ' hardly going to say anything other is he?[/p][/quote]Mark you are clearly holding to your opinion that you, 'know,' more than some on here and certainly more than most. My opinion re Jones is based on what I would consider to be a sensible move by Hyypia, now you may think the move wrong, but I don't. You prefer to see a shadowy hand behind most things that occur re the squad and recruitment, I don't. Keeping Jones does not stop Sami from appointing his own assistant manager and he will bring in other backroom staff. As he prepares to form his squad, and if he says Jones can help him during these early days of his reign, who are we to call him a liar, and that is what you are doing, isn't it. Mark we only know what the club or Sami tells us, no more and no less. If you prefer to believe that it's all lies that's your choice, but I doubt many fans, and when I say fans, I mean all of them and not just the 30 or so that comment on this forum, I doubt many of those will agree with you. So carry on with your glass half empty approach to the forum, it's what I expect, and if you think me foolish for thinking that the club isn't run by a bunch of bare faced liars, then so be it.[/p][/quote]MBTS, what you're actually saying is that Hyypia has accepted a job that from day one he's unhappy with. That's ridiculous. I'm afraid that a player who has played and managed at the top of European football for twenty years, is unlikely to need to jump at the first job he sees - especially when he appears to have such a good reputation within the game. To suggest he's had Jones forced upon him without his tacit approval is a comment without any foundation or logic. Perhaps Jones DID come as part of the package and frankly, if that's the case, I think it makes perfect sense. Of course the make up of the playing staff may change dramatically in the next few weeks, but with Jones around, there's a measure of consistency in terms of what is needed - and why. If Hyypia didn't like what he saw, he wouldn't have taken the job.[/p][/quote]Vegas , we are back to the days of white and booker, many on here said jones would stay either as head scout bottle washer or something, that's exactly what we said was going to happen! The fact Barber came up with a plausible connection is a laugh, does Burke not know the players? He should know if he is buying or selling , We now have no head scout who will dissect reports on players , give second opinions on these players and offer a idea of there worth, potential and if they will fit our playing style! This is now all down to Burke , sounds more like barber and Burke have more control than they did last year! Good luck to sami , but I don't think jones is in his camp, and that in a nut she'll is the problem in my eyes. mark by the sea
  • Score: -7

4:20pm Mon 9 Jun 14

OldGull says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
Why wait until Thursday to start properly when he was given the job on Friday? That's nearly another week in which players we want may sign somewhere else, it's taken so long to get the manager in, we really need to crack on and build the squad, it's all happening at a snails pace. I'd have thought he would start this morning and not hang around for an extra week. The world cup will be a distraction on thursday, we could have got in before it and made a start, now not much will happen for another few weeks and there's not a second to lose.
He's merely being introduced to the media on Thursday, it's not his official start date, even if it is also the day he arrives in England.
As the story suggests, he's already started working and you can review matches and performances from anywhere on the world and have preliminary conversations too for that matter. It's not as if he's missing training at the moment or the chance to talk with the current players face to face.
As for the World Cup, it's surely only a distraction from a media point of view. Certainly, there won't be much space for a report from his press conference over and above The Argus but I'm not sure the World Cup will be the centre of our universe when it comes to signings so It's irrelevant in terms of the level of players we're likely to want to speak to.
You'd have thought the club would have done the press conference first thing this morning though, considering he was appointed on Friday, can't understand waiting until Thursday, it just feels like there's a real lack of urgency. Sami himself clearly knows who he wants and should be allowed to get the bit between his teeth and sort out the squad. It sounds like the board are causing the delays and I can't see any good reason for it at all.
Know doubt he has a few things to sort out back in Finland regarding his family.
There is nothing he can do here at the moment that cannot be done via the internet.
The players do not return for another couple of weeks.
So between now and thursday he can assess what he has inherited by watching videos of last season.
And if he needs to call a few contacts, he can also do that from Finland
Last I heard the Finns have discovered mobile technology
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: Why wait until Thursday to start properly when he was given the job on Friday? That's nearly another week in which players we want may sign somewhere else, it's taken so long to get the manager in, we really need to crack on and build the squad, it's all happening at a snails pace. I'd have thought he would start this morning and not hang around for an extra week. The world cup will be a distraction on thursday, we could have got in before it and made a start, now not much will happen for another few weeks and there's not a second to lose.[/p][/quote]He's merely being introduced to the media on Thursday, it's not his official start date, even if it is also the day he arrives in England. As the story suggests, he's already started working and you can review matches and performances from anywhere on the world and have preliminary conversations too for that matter. It's not as if he's missing training at the moment or the chance to talk with the current players face to face. As for the World Cup, it's surely only a distraction from a media point of view. Certainly, there won't be much space for a report from his press conference over and above The Argus but I'm not sure the World Cup will be the centre of our universe when it comes to signings so It's irrelevant in terms of the level of players we're likely to want to speak to.[/p][/quote]You'd have thought the club would have done the press conference first thing this morning though, considering he was appointed on Friday, can't understand waiting until Thursday, it just feels like there's a real lack of urgency. Sami himself clearly knows who he wants and should be allowed to get the bit between his teeth and sort out the squad. It sounds like the board are causing the delays and I can't see any good reason for it at all.[/p][/quote]Know doubt he has a few things to sort out back in Finland regarding his family. There is nothing he can do here at the moment that cannot be done via the internet. The players do not return for another couple of weeks. So between now and thursday he can assess what he has inherited by watching videos of last season. And if he needs to call a few contacts, he can also do that from Finland Last I heard the Finns have discovered mobile technology OldGull
  • Score: 3

4:23pm Mon 9 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Hovite wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
I would respectfully suggest it says nothing of the sort - he is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists! Let's not forget he will have no real knowledge of players at our level so will be reliant on Burke, Jones and our scouting network who, one would hope, have not been sitting on their hands since the end of the season!!
Agree
Really!
So if Sami identifies a player that he wants, but that player's name is not on the, 'short list,' then Sami can just forget about signing him, you really think that this is something that Hyypia agreed to when deciding to join us.
Burke doesn't like a certain player so Hyypia had better not like that player. Burke likes two or three let sided center backs, he has them on his short list, but Hyypia knows of another that he would prefer, forget it Sami, it aint happening, yep that how it works.

If any of this BS were true, Hyypia surely would not have joined us, and certainly won't stay. I would agree that Burke and Co will have lists for every position but to say, it's one of these players or no one, is just plain crazy. Burke and Co are there to assist and facilitate, and not to dictate. For all we know Sami might be talking to contacts right now with a view to buy or borrow, and the targets he is thinking of might not appear on anyone's list.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]I would respectfully suggest it says nothing of the sort - he is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists! Let's not forget he will have no real knowledge of players at our level so will be reliant on Burke, Jones and our scouting network who, one would hope, have not been sitting on their hands since the end of the season!![/p][/quote]Agree[/p][/quote]Really! So if Sami identifies a player that he wants, but that player's name is not on the, 'short list,' then Sami can just forget about signing him, you really think that this is something that Hyypia agreed to when deciding to join us. Burke doesn't like a certain player so Hyypia had better not like that player. Burke likes two or three let sided center backs, he has them on his short list, but Hyypia knows of another that he would prefer, forget it Sami, it aint happening, yep that how it works. If any of this BS were true, Hyypia surely would not have joined us, and certainly won't stay. I would agree that Burke and Co will have lists for every position but to say, it's one of these players or no one, is just plain crazy. Burke and Co are there to assist and facilitate, and not to dictate. For all we know Sami might be talking to contacts right now with a view to buy or borrow, and the targets he is thinking of might not appear on anyone's list. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

4:32pm Mon 9 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

Sky Sports saying Forest talking to Fryatt from Hull free transfer, good player scores plenty off goals and for free what a bargain!!
Up the Albion!!!!
Sky Sports saying Forest talking to Fryatt from Hull free transfer, good player scores plenty off goals and for free what a bargain!! Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 3

4:37pm Mon 9 Jun 14

OldGull says...

Claude Back wrote:
keswick wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
That wont be enough for some of those on this site, particularly those that claim to have someone with 'inside knowledge'. It also clarifies SH rationale for retaining NJ. Now perhaps the same people will get off his back. True supporters will now back the new management team and see the continued development of the club.
It's strange that S.H. allegedly wanted to keep Jones so he could update him on the club and players etc. I cannot see him keeping him for long.
Usually when a manager of any organisation comes in he will start with a 'clean slate' and tell everyone so. It is the clichéd thing to do. You don't change much to begin with until you have a fair understanding of what needs to be corrected, if anything. You don't just accept what others tell you...not if you are any good anyway.
However, if you are 'guided' by someone else's opinion from the start then certain staff (in this case players) may be unfairly prejudiced. I would have thought that Sami would want to make up his own mind about everything so I am not buying this 'He wanted to keep Jones' story. I cannot image Ferguson, Wenger or Clough Snr agreeing to this for example.I think Sami is prepared to go along with this f.t.b.
This is not necessarily a criticism of Jones who, although I and others believe was only employed originally for his bi-lingual skill, may have other latent talents. Thing is, he seems to be very good at concealing them. ;-)
The same old keep spouting the same old.

We are starting a new season with a new manager
Please can the whingers calm down until they have heard what Sammi has to say.

And also those continuing the Jones witch hunt.
Not one of you has seen him coaching so are unable to assess the quality of his input..
It is quite common for new managers to inherit one or two from the previous coaching staff.
Gus inherited Charlie who is still with him up north.

And finally, It would have been stupid of the club not to be actively scouting for talent. They will have a list, Sammi will see the list and then HE will tell Burke who he wants.
Why is it so hard to understand?
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keswick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]That wont be enough for some of those on this site, particularly those that claim to have someone with 'inside knowledge'. It also clarifies SH rationale for retaining NJ. Now perhaps the same people will get off his back. True supporters will now back the new management team and see the continued development of the club.[/p][/quote]It's strange that S.H. allegedly wanted to keep Jones so he could update him on the club and players etc. I cannot see him keeping him for long. Usually when a manager of any organisation comes in he will start with a 'clean slate' and tell everyone so. It is the clichéd thing to do. You don't change much to begin with until you have a fair understanding of what needs to be corrected, if anything. You don't just accept what others tell you...not if you are any good anyway. However, if you are 'guided' by someone else's opinion from the start then certain staff (in this case players) may be unfairly prejudiced. I would have thought that Sami would want to make up his own mind about everything so I am not buying this 'He wanted to keep Jones' story. I cannot image Ferguson, Wenger or Clough Snr agreeing to this for example.I think Sami is prepared to go along with this f.t.b. This is not necessarily a criticism of Jones who, although I and others believe was only employed originally for his bi-lingual skill, may have other latent talents. Thing is, he seems to be very good at concealing them. ;-)[/p][/quote]The same old keep spouting the same old. We are starting a new season with a new manager Please can the whingers calm down until they have heard what Sammi has to say. And also those continuing the Jones witch hunt. Not one of you has seen him coaching so are unable to assess the quality of his input.. It is quite common for new managers to inherit one or two from the previous coaching staff. Gus inherited Charlie who is still with him up north. And finally, It would have been stupid of the club not to be actively scouting for talent. They will have a list, Sammi will see the list and then HE will tell Burke who he wants. Why is it so hard to understand? OldGull
  • Score: 11

4:41pm Mon 9 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Well it seems that some on here think that Hyypia won't be identifying his own transfer targets, that it's more a case of him identifying a position that needs filling, and then he will be told to choose from a list others have compiled.

Let's look at the back four, an area that clearly needs sorting out, if the, 'others,' suggest we sign Ward, the videos tell of his contributions, would that be a wrong thing to do?
We need a couple of center backs, the, 'others,' might have a list, but Hyypia has contacts he might just say no thanks, I can get better.
We have scouts, they work in different parts of Europe, I would bet that Sami knows more about available talent in Germany than all our scouts put together.
Keeping Jones makes perfect sense, perfect for a couple of reasons. Sami can watch videos all day long but those videos will tell him little about the person. Jones can speak of certain players attitude or temperment and their work ethic on the training field. What will Hyypia learn about Kemmy from watching videos, I doubt he features at all, but Sami will have questins about him and Jones can answer those questions. Buckley will look good on video but what about his persistent injuries, Jones and the medical team can talk of this issue. Jones as head coach and given the situation we are in, brings a lot of info to the table.

Barber tells of Sami identifying the players he wants, he also says that if these players are available, 'within our budget,' we will do what we can to get them, does that not speak to the freedom Sami will have in building his squad.
Vegas you agree with the club whatever, how on earth is sami sure he can work with jones? Funny the coaching staff from Spain was shown the door , jones has been here as long as all those coaching staff.
Seriously the stress of managing a club is one thing but to say sami wanted jones is beyond anyone taking those words seriously, are you serious that sami wanted a coach who may not agree with his principles? The jones knows the squad line is thin as it can get, I have no doubt jones was going to stay whoever was employed.
As for knowing the players, players are purchased knowing very little about a player outside the ground, there have been fights galore in training, players not speaking, that happens at every club, we are about to see 7-8 players coming in over next 4 weeks,,so the structure of the changing room will change .
As for the search for the new manager being ' thorough ' hardly going to say anything other is he?
Mark you are clearly holding to your opinion that you, 'know,' more than some on here and certainly more than most.

My opinion re Jones is based on what I would consider to be a sensible move by Hyypia, now you may think the move wrong, but I don't. You prefer to see a shadowy hand behind most things that occur re the squad and recruitment, I don't. Keeping Jones does not stop Sami from appointing his own assistant manager and he will bring in other backroom staff. As he prepares to form his squad, and if he says Jones can help him during these early days of his reign, who are we to call him a liar, and that is what you are doing, isn't it.

Mark we only know what the club or Sami tells us, no more and no less. If you prefer to believe that it's all lies that's your choice, but I doubt many fans, and when I say fans, I mean all of them and not just the 30 or so that comment on this forum, I doubt many of those will agree with you.
So carry on with your glass half empty approach to the forum, it's what I expect, and if you think me foolish for thinking that the club isn't run by a bunch of bare faced liars, then so be it.
MBTS, what you're actually saying is that Hyypia has accepted a job that from day one he's unhappy with. That's ridiculous.
I'm afraid that a player who has played and managed at the top of European football for twenty years, is unlikely to need to jump at the first job he sees - especially when he appears to have such a good reputation within the game.
To suggest he's had Jones forced upon him without his tacit approval is a comment without any foundation or logic.
Perhaps Jones DID come as part of the package and frankly, if that's the case, I think it makes perfect sense. Of course the make up of the playing staff may change dramatically in the next few weeks, but with Jones around, there's a measure of consistency in terms of what is needed - and why. If Hyypia didn't like what he saw, he wouldn't have taken the job.
Vegas , we are back to the days of white and booker, many on here said jones would stay either as head scout bottle washer or something, that's exactly what we said was going to happen!
The fact Barber came up with a plausible connection is a laugh, does Burke not know the players? He should know if he is buying or selling ,
We now have no head scout who will dissect reports on players , give second opinions on these players and offer a idea of there worth, potential and if they will fit our playing style! This is now all down to Burke , sounds more like barber and Burke have more control than they did last year!
Good luck to sami , but I don't think jones is in his camp, and that in a nut she'll is the problem in my eyes.
it might, 'sound like Burke and Barber have more control than last year,' but only if anyone believes what you are saying, yo do, that's clear, but I don't.
The link between Burke and Hyypia might be Jones, but when an assistant manager is selected by Sami that link might well end.
Mark you are offering your opinions and claiming them as facts, fact is mate, you know no more than anyone else, you just have opinions as we all do.
Put some meat on your claim that Burke and Barber have more clout than they had last year, tell us how and why. You won't have any facts, at best you will offer opinions. Those in power at the club could make a hundred decisions today and you would find fault in all of them, it's just the way you are.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Well it seems that some on here think that Hyypia won't be identifying his own transfer targets, that it's more a case of him identifying a position that needs filling, and then he will be told to choose from a list others have compiled. Let's look at the back four, an area that clearly needs sorting out, if the, 'others,' suggest we sign Ward, the videos tell of his contributions, would that be a wrong thing to do? We need a couple of center backs, the, 'others,' might have a list, but Hyypia has contacts he might just say no thanks, I can get better. We have scouts, they work in different parts of Europe, I would bet that Sami knows more about available talent in Germany than all our scouts put together. Keeping Jones makes perfect sense, perfect for a couple of reasons. Sami can watch videos all day long but those videos will tell him little about the person. Jones can speak of certain players attitude or temperment and their work ethic on the training field. What will Hyypia learn about Kemmy from watching videos, I doubt he features at all, but Sami will have questins about him and Jones can answer those questions. Buckley will look good on video but what about his persistent injuries, Jones and the medical team can talk of this issue. Jones as head coach and given the situation we are in, brings a lot of info to the table. Barber tells of Sami identifying the players he wants, he also says that if these players are available, 'within our budget,' we will do what we can to get them, does that not speak to the freedom Sami will have in building his squad.[/p][/quote]Vegas you agree with the club whatever, how on earth is sami sure he can work with jones? Funny the coaching staff from Spain was shown the door , jones has been here as long as all those coaching staff. Seriously the stress of managing a club is one thing but to say sami wanted jones is beyond anyone taking those words seriously, are you serious that sami wanted a coach who may not agree with his principles? The jones knows the squad line is thin as it can get, I have no doubt jones was going to stay whoever was employed. As for knowing the players, players are purchased knowing very little about a player outside the ground, there have been fights galore in training, players not speaking, that happens at every club, we are about to see 7-8 players coming in over next 4 weeks,,so the structure of the changing room will change . As for the search for the new manager being ' thorough ' hardly going to say anything other is he?[/p][/quote]Mark you are clearly holding to your opinion that you, 'know,' more than some on here and certainly more than most. My opinion re Jones is based on what I would consider to be a sensible move by Hyypia, now you may think the move wrong, but I don't. You prefer to see a shadowy hand behind most things that occur re the squad and recruitment, I don't. Keeping Jones does not stop Sami from appointing his own assistant manager and he will bring in other backroom staff. As he prepares to form his squad, and if he says Jones can help him during these early days of his reign, who are we to call him a liar, and that is what you are doing, isn't it. Mark we only know what the club or Sami tells us, no more and no less. If you prefer to believe that it's all lies that's your choice, but I doubt many fans, and when I say fans, I mean all of them and not just the 30 or so that comment on this forum, I doubt many of those will agree with you. So carry on with your glass half empty approach to the forum, it's what I expect, and if you think me foolish for thinking that the club isn't run by a bunch of bare faced liars, then so be it.[/p][/quote]MBTS, what you're actually saying is that Hyypia has accepted a job that from day one he's unhappy with. That's ridiculous. I'm afraid that a player who has played and managed at the top of European football for twenty years, is unlikely to need to jump at the first job he sees - especially when he appears to have such a good reputation within the game. To suggest he's had Jones forced upon him without his tacit approval is a comment without any foundation or logic. Perhaps Jones DID come as part of the package and frankly, if that's the case, I think it makes perfect sense. Of course the make up of the playing staff may change dramatically in the next few weeks, but with Jones around, there's a measure of consistency in terms of what is needed - and why. If Hyypia didn't like what he saw, he wouldn't have taken the job.[/p][/quote]Vegas , we are back to the days of white and booker, many on here said jones would stay either as head scout bottle washer or something, that's exactly what we said was going to happen! The fact Barber came up with a plausible connection is a laugh, does Burke not know the players? He should know if he is buying or selling , We now have no head scout who will dissect reports on players , give second opinions on these players and offer a idea of there worth, potential and if they will fit our playing style! This is now all down to Burke , sounds more like barber and Burke have more control than they did last year! Good luck to sami , but I don't think jones is in his camp, and that in a nut she'll is the problem in my eyes.[/p][/quote]it might, 'sound like Burke and Barber have more control than last year,' but only if anyone believes what you are saying, yo do, that's clear, but I don't. The link between Burke and Hyypia might be Jones, but when an assistant manager is selected by Sami that link might well end. Mark you are offering your opinions and claiming them as facts, fact is mate, you know no more than anyone else, you just have opinions as we all do. Put some meat on your claim that Burke and Barber have more clout than they had last year, tell us how and why. You won't have any facts, at best you will offer opinions. Those in power at the club could make a hundred decisions today and you would find fault in all of them, it's just the way you are. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 10

4:41pm Mon 9 Jun 14

OldGull says...

Amazing
Reading many comments on here.
There are some who genuinely believe Sammi will only be allowed to pick players from a list supplied to him!

Utter Numpties
Amazing Reading many comments on here. There are some who genuinely believe Sammi will only be allowed to pick players from a list supplied to him! Utter Numpties OldGull
  • Score: 11

4:47pm Mon 9 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

OldGull wrote:
Amazing
Reading many comments on here.
There are some who genuinely believe Sammi will only be allowed to pick players from a list supplied to him!

Utter Numpties
OldGull, it's not so suprising if you think about it, just look at where these silly statements are coming from, it's the same people who have this half empty glass mood about everything the club does, or doesn't do.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: Amazing Reading many comments on here. There are some who genuinely believe Sammi will only be allowed to pick players from a list supplied to him! Utter Numpties[/p][/quote]OldGull, it's not so suprising if you think about it, just look at where these silly statements are coming from, it's the same people who have this half empty glass mood about everything the club does, or doesn't do. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 8

5:01pm Mon 9 Jun 14

daughter-of-manag says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
OldGull wrote:
Amazing
Reading many comments on here.
There are some who genuinely believe Sammi will only be allowed to pick players from a list supplied to him!

Utter Numpties
OldGull, it's not so suprising if you think about it, just look at where these silly statements are coming from, it's the same people who have this half empty glass mood about everything the club does, or doesn't do.
Well said!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: Amazing Reading many comments on here. There are some who genuinely believe Sammi will only be allowed to pick players from a list supplied to him! Utter Numpties[/p][/quote]OldGull, it's not so suprising if you think about it, just look at where these silly statements are coming from, it's the same people who have this half empty glass mood about everything the club does, or doesn't do.[/p][/quote]Well said! daughter-of-manag
  • Score: 6

5:19pm Mon 9 Jun 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
I would respectfully suggest it says nothing of the sort - he is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists! Let's not forget he will have no real knowledge of players at our level so will be reliant on Burke, Jones and our scouting network who, one would hope, have not been sitting on their hands since the end of the season!!
Agree
Really!
So if Sami identifies a player that he wants, but that player's name is not on the, 'short list,' then Sami can just forget about signing him, you really think that this is something that Hyypia agreed to when deciding to join us.
Burke doesn't like a certain player so Hyypia had better not like that player. Burke likes two or three let sided center backs, he has them on his short list, but Hyypia knows of another that he would prefer, forget it Sami, it aint happening, yep that how it works.

If any of this BS were true, Hyypia surely would not have joined us, and certainly won't stay. I would agree that Burke and Co will have lists for every position but to say, it's one of these players or no one, is just plain crazy. Burke and Co are there to assist and facilitate, and not to dictate. For all we know Sami might be talking to contacts right now with a view to buy or borrow, and the targets he is thinking of might not appear on anyone's list.
That sounds convincing, Vegas, and I hope you are right.
There will need to be possible targets already identified, so that we can move quickly in the transfer market to secure some of the signings that Sami needs. With pre-season only a few weeks off, it would be unrealistic for him to arrive, and suddenly have to acquire a new team all by himself.
On the subject of who selects the transfer targets, I think it is important for supporters to know this, so that we can form an opinion on the judgement of those involved.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]I would respectfully suggest it says nothing of the sort - he is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists! Let's not forget he will have no real knowledge of players at our level so will be reliant on Burke, Jones and our scouting network who, one would hope, have not been sitting on their hands since the end of the season!![/p][/quote]Agree[/p][/quote]Really! So if Sami identifies a player that he wants, but that player's name is not on the, 'short list,' then Sami can just forget about signing him, you really think that this is something that Hyypia agreed to when deciding to join us. Burke doesn't like a certain player so Hyypia had better not like that player. Burke likes two or three let sided center backs, he has them on his short list, but Hyypia knows of another that he would prefer, forget it Sami, it aint happening, yep that how it works. If any of this BS were true, Hyypia surely would not have joined us, and certainly won't stay. I would agree that Burke and Co will have lists for every position but to say, it's one of these players or no one, is just plain crazy. Burke and Co are there to assist and facilitate, and not to dictate. For all we know Sami might be talking to contacts right now with a view to buy or borrow, and the targets he is thinking of might not appear on anyone's list.[/p][/quote]That sounds convincing, Vegas, and I hope you are right. There will need to be possible targets already identified, so that we can move quickly in the transfer market to secure some of the signings that Sami needs. With pre-season only a few weeks off, it would be unrealistic for him to arrive, and suddenly have to acquire a new team all by himself. On the subject of who selects the transfer targets, I think it is important for supporters to know this, so that we can form an opinion on the judgement of those involved. gordongull
  • Score: 0

5:26pm Mon 9 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Well it seems that some on here think that Hyypia won't be identifying his own transfer targets, that it's more a case of him identifying a position that needs filling, and then he will be told to choose from a list others have compiled.

Let's look at the back four, an area that clearly needs sorting out, if the, 'others,' suggest we sign Ward, the videos tell of his contributions, would that be a wrong thing to do?
We need a couple of center backs, the, 'others,' might have a list, but Hyypia has contacts he might just say no thanks, I can get better.
We have scouts, they work in different parts of Europe, I would bet that Sami knows more about available talent in Germany than all our scouts put together.
Keeping Jones makes perfect sense, perfect for a couple of reasons. Sami can watch videos all day long but those videos will tell him little about the person. Jones can speak of certain players attitude or temperment and their work ethic on the training field. What will Hyypia learn about Kemmy from watching videos, I doubt he features at all, but Sami will have questins about him and Jones can answer those questions. Buckley will look good on video but what about his persistent injuries, Jones and the medical team can talk of this issue. Jones as head coach and given the situation we are in, brings a lot of info to the table.

Barber tells of Sami identifying the players he wants, he also says that if these players are available, 'within our budget,' we will do what we can to get them, does that not speak to the freedom Sami will have in building his squad.
Vegas you agree with the club whatever, how on earth is sami sure he can work with jones? Funny the coaching staff from Spain was shown the door , jones has been here as long as all those coaching staff.
Seriously the stress of managing a club is one thing but to say sami wanted jones is beyond anyone taking those words seriously, are you serious that sami wanted a coach who may not agree with his principles? The jones knows the squad line is thin as it can get, I have no doubt jones was going to stay whoever was employed.
As for knowing the players, players are purchased knowing very little about a player outside the ground, there have been fights galore in training, players not speaking, that happens at every club, we are about to see 7-8 players coming in over next 4 weeks,,so the structure of the changing room will change .
As for the search for the new manager being ' thorough ' hardly going to say anything other is he?
Mark you are clearly holding to your opinion that you, 'know,' more than some on here and certainly more than most.

My opinion re Jones is based on what I would consider to be a sensible move by Hyypia, now you may think the move wrong, but I don't. You prefer to see a shadowy hand behind most things that occur re the squad and recruitment, I don't. Keeping Jones does not stop Sami from appointing his own assistant manager and he will bring in other backroom staff. As he prepares to form his squad, and if he says Jones can help him during these early days of his reign, who are we to call him a liar, and that is what you are doing, isn't it.

Mark we only know what the club or Sami tells us, no more and no less. If you prefer to believe that it's all lies that's your choice, but I doubt many fans, and when I say fans, I mean all of them and not just the 30 or so that comment on this forum, I doubt many of those will agree with you.
So carry on with your glass half empty approach to the forum, it's what I expect, and if you think me foolish for thinking that the club isn't run by a bunch of bare faced liars, then so be it.
MBTS, what you're actually saying is that Hyypia has accepted a job that from day one he's unhappy with. That's ridiculous.
I'm afraid that a player who has played and managed at the top of European football for twenty years, is unlikely to need to jump at the first job he sees - especially when he appears to have such a good reputation within the game.
To suggest he's had Jones forced upon him without his tacit approval is a comment without any foundation or logic.
Perhaps Jones DID come as part of the package and frankly, if that's the case, I think it makes perfect sense. Of course the make up of the playing staff may change dramatically in the next few weeks, but with Jones around, there's a measure of consistency in terms of what is needed - and why. If Hyypia didn't like what he saw, he wouldn't have taken the job.
Vegas , we are back to the days of white and booker, many on here said jones would stay either as head scout bottle washer or something, that's exactly what we said was going to happen!
The fact Barber came up with a plausible connection is a laugh, does Burke not know the players? He should know if he is buying or selling ,
We now have no head scout who will dissect reports on players , give second opinions on these players and offer a idea of there worth, potential and if they will fit our playing style! This is now all down to Burke , sounds more like barber and Burke have more control than they did last year!
Good luck to sami , but I don't think jones is in his camp, and that in a nut she'll is the problem in my eyes.
it might, 'sound like Burke and Barber have more control than last year,' but only if anyone believes what you are saying, yo do, that's clear, but I don't.
The link between Burke and Hyypia might be Jones, but when an assistant manager is selected by Sami that link might well end.
Mark you are offering your opinions and claiming them as facts, fact is mate, you know no more than anyone else, you just have opinions as we all do.
Put some meat on your claim that Burke and Barber have more clout than they had last year, tell us how and why. You won't have any facts, at best you will offer opinions. Those in power at the club could make a hundred decisions today and you would find fault in all of them, it's just the way you are.
Mervyn Day sacked , head scout gone , no mention of a head scout in barber statement ... So more control for Burke or can you shed some spin on this?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Well it seems that some on here think that Hyypia won't be identifying his own transfer targets, that it's more a case of him identifying a position that needs filling, and then he will be told to choose from a list others have compiled. Let's look at the back four, an area that clearly needs sorting out, if the, 'others,' suggest we sign Ward, the videos tell of his contributions, would that be a wrong thing to do? We need a couple of center backs, the, 'others,' might have a list, but Hyypia has contacts he might just say no thanks, I can get better. We have scouts, they work in different parts of Europe, I would bet that Sami knows more about available talent in Germany than all our scouts put together. Keeping Jones makes perfect sense, perfect for a couple of reasons. Sami can watch videos all day long but those videos will tell him little about the person. Jones can speak of certain players attitude or temperment and their work ethic on the training field. What will Hyypia learn about Kemmy from watching videos, I doubt he features at all, but Sami will have questins about him and Jones can answer those questions. Buckley will look good on video but what about his persistent injuries, Jones and the medical team can talk of this issue. Jones as head coach and given the situation we are in, brings a lot of info to the table. Barber tells of Sami identifying the players he wants, he also says that if these players are available, 'within our budget,' we will do what we can to get them, does that not speak to the freedom Sami will have in building his squad.[/p][/quote]Vegas you agree with the club whatever, how on earth is sami sure he can work with jones? Funny the coaching staff from Spain was shown the door , jones has been here as long as all those coaching staff. Seriously the stress of managing a club is one thing but to say sami wanted jones is beyond anyone taking those words seriously, are you serious that sami wanted a coach who may not agree with his principles? The jones knows the squad line is thin as it can get, I have no doubt jones was going to stay whoever was employed. As for knowing the players, players are purchased knowing very little about a player outside the ground, there have been fights galore in training, players not speaking, that happens at every club, we are about to see 7-8 players coming in over next 4 weeks,,so the structure of the changing room will change . As for the search for the new manager being ' thorough ' hardly going to say anything other is he?[/p][/quote]Mark you are clearly holding to your opinion that you, 'know,' more than some on here and certainly more than most. My opinion re Jones is based on what I would consider to be a sensible move by Hyypia, now you may think the move wrong, but I don't. You prefer to see a shadowy hand behind most things that occur re the squad and recruitment, I don't. Keeping Jones does not stop Sami from appointing his own assistant manager and he will bring in other backroom staff. As he prepares to form his squad, and if he says Jones can help him during these early days of his reign, who are we to call him a liar, and that is what you are doing, isn't it. Mark we only know what the club or Sami tells us, no more and no less. If you prefer to believe that it's all lies that's your choice, but I doubt many fans, and when I say fans, I mean all of them and not just the 30 or so that comment on this forum, I doubt many of those will agree with you. So carry on with your glass half empty approach to the forum, it's what I expect, and if you think me foolish for thinking that the club isn't run by a bunch of bare faced liars, then so be it.[/p][/quote]MBTS, what you're actually saying is that Hyypia has accepted a job that from day one he's unhappy with. That's ridiculous. I'm afraid that a player who has played and managed at the top of European football for twenty years, is unlikely to need to jump at the first job he sees - especially when he appears to have such a good reputation within the game. To suggest he's had Jones forced upon him without his tacit approval is a comment without any foundation or logic. Perhaps Jones DID come as part of the package and frankly, if that's the case, I think it makes perfect sense. Of course the make up of the playing staff may change dramatically in the next few weeks, but with Jones around, there's a measure of consistency in terms of what is needed - and why. If Hyypia didn't like what he saw, he wouldn't have taken the job.[/p][/quote]Vegas , we are back to the days of white and booker, many on here said jones would stay either as head scout bottle washer or something, that's exactly what we said was going to happen! The fact Barber came up with a plausible connection is a laugh, does Burke not know the players? He should know if he is buying or selling , We now have no head scout who will dissect reports on players , give second opinions on these players and offer a idea of there worth, potential and if they will fit our playing style! This is now all down to Burke , sounds more like barber and Burke have more control than they did last year! Good luck to sami , but I don't think jones is in his camp, and that in a nut she'll is the problem in my eyes.[/p][/quote]it might, 'sound like Burke and Barber have more control than last year,' but only if anyone believes what you are saying, yo do, that's clear, but I don't. The link between Burke and Hyypia might be Jones, but when an assistant manager is selected by Sami that link might well end. Mark you are offering your opinions and claiming them as facts, fact is mate, you know no more than anyone else, you just have opinions as we all do. Put some meat on your claim that Burke and Barber have more clout than they had last year, tell us how and why. You won't have any facts, at best you will offer opinions. Those in power at the club could make a hundred decisions today and you would find fault in all of them, it's just the way you are.[/p][/quote]Mervyn Day sacked , head scout gone , no mention of a head scout in barber statement ... So more control for Burke or can you shed some spin on this? mark by the sea
  • Score: -4

5:26pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Claude Back says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
Funny how two people can read the same article and interpret it very differently. The phrase "Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing" suggests to me that he'll be expected to pick new signings from the list already put together by the Scouting team.

That's the total opposite to "identifying the players he wants".
I agree. That is exactly what it means.
However, Jeff Lomer thinks AIS is so wonderful that we should all immediately say the same as him, so he won't agree. ;-)
Claude the difference between most posters on here than you they try to join in the conversation were as you scroll down and see who you can pick on for the day, try having your own view about the thread for a change instead off agreeing with someone else, couldn't tell you the last time I read one off your posts, you were even bullied at school or your just sad, I i said last week Claude scroll past them no need to be abusive all the time, yer I think Staff talks sense you don't that's up to you, not bothered what you think!!
Your reasoning, Jeff, (if you can call it that, makes no sense.
Why should I not agree with other posters? What is the point anyway of stating the bleeding obvious which is all you seem to do. You clearly don't think very deeply which accounts for your bizarre criticism and admiration of other people's opinions.
As for being abusive....that seems to be your prerogative, not mine. Usually I try to inject a little humour which is often very lacking here, except for a few wits. You're (yes, you're not 'your' btw ) only half way there on that score..
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]Funny how two people can read the same article and interpret it very differently. The phrase "Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing" suggests to me that he'll be expected to pick new signings from the list already put together by the Scouting team. That's the total opposite to "identifying the players he wants".[/p][/quote]I agree. That is exactly what it means. However, Jeff Lomer thinks AIS is so wonderful that we should all immediately say the same as him, so he won't agree. ;-)[/p][/quote]Claude the difference between most posters on here than you they try to join in the conversation were as you scroll down and see who you can pick on for the day, try having your own view about the thread for a change instead off agreeing with someone else, couldn't tell you the last time I read one off your posts, you were even bullied at school or your just sad, I i said last week Claude scroll past them no need to be abusive all the time, yer I think Staff talks sense you don't that's up to you, not bothered what you think!![/p][/quote]Your reasoning, Jeff, (if you can call it that, makes no sense. Why should I not agree with other posters? What is the point anyway of stating the bleeding obvious which is all you seem to do. You clearly don't think very deeply which accounts for your bizarre criticism and admiration of other people's opinions. As for being abusive....that seems to be your prerogative, not mine. Usually I try to inject a little humour which is often very lacking here, except for a few wits. You're (yes, you're not 'your' btw ) only half way there on that score.. Claude Back
  • Score: 5

5:26pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Mancgulled says...

Really hoping Stephen Ward is top priority! Very interesting to see what players come in -- Germany is a hotbed of talent right now ...........
Really hoping Stephen Ward is top priority! Very interesting to see what players come in -- Germany is a hotbed of talent right now ........... Mancgulled
  • Score: 1

5:28pm Mon 9 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

Mancgulled wrote:
Really hoping Stephen Ward is top priority! Very interesting to see what players come in -- Germany is a hotbed of talent right now ...........
Lol like Barcelona was going to loan us under OG .. We end up with obika and a 3 stone overwieght from Swansea ..
[quote][p][bold]Mancgulled[/bold] wrote: Really hoping Stephen Ward is top priority! Very interesting to see what players come in -- Germany is a hotbed of talent right now ...........[/p][/quote]Lol like Barcelona was going to loan us under OG .. We end up with obika and a 3 stone overwieght from Swansea .. mark by the sea
  • Score: -1

5:32pm Mon 9 Jun 14

fairweathersupporter says...

Right Sami,
Off on a World Cup Holiday, barring anything important...
When i came back could we please have:
A new goalkeeper.
A new centreback
A box to box midfielder.
Another attacker.

Oh and a nice picture of all the above in our new kit.

Rock on Sami.
Right Sami, Off on a World Cup Holiday, barring anything important... When i came back could we please have: A new goalkeeper. A new centreback A box to box midfielder. Another attacker. Oh and a nice picture of all the above in our new kit. Rock on Sami. fairweathersupporter
  • Score: 7

5:32pm Mon 9 Jun 14

fairweathersupporter says...

Almost forgot, we need to sign Ward up as well...
Almost forgot, we need to sign Ward up as well... fairweathersupporter
  • Score: 2

5:34pm Mon 9 Jun 14

rolivan says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Sky Sports saying Forest talking to Fryatt from Hull free transfer, good player scores plenty off goals and for free what a bargain!!
Up the Albion!!!!
You get nothing for nothing
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Sky Sports saying Forest talking to Fryatt from Hull free transfer, good player scores plenty off goals and for free what a bargain!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]You get nothing for nothing rolivan
  • Score: 3

5:34pm Mon 9 Jun 14

rolivan says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Sky Sports saying Forest talking to Fryatt from Hull free transfer, good player scores plenty off goals and for free what a bargain!!
Up the Albion!!!!
You get nothing for nothing
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Sky Sports saying Forest talking to Fryatt from Hull free transfer, good player scores plenty off goals and for free what a bargain!! Up the Albion!!!![/p][/quote]You get nothing for nothing rolivan
  • Score: 1

5:37pm Mon 9 Jun 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
I would respectfully suggest it says nothing of the sort - he is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists! Let's not forget he will have no real knowledge of players at our level so will be reliant on Burke, Jones and our scouting network who, one would hope, have not been sitting on their hands since the end of the season!!
Agree
Really!
So if Sami identifies a player that he wants, but that player's name is not on the, 'short list,' then Sami can just forget about signing him, you really think that this is something that Hyypia agreed to when deciding to join us.
Burke doesn't like a certain player so Hyypia had better not like that player. Burke likes two or three let sided center backs, he has them on his short list, but Hyypia knows of another that he would prefer, forget it Sami, it aint happening, yep that how it works.

If any of this BS were true, Hyypia surely would not have joined us, and certainly won't stay. I would agree that Burke and Co will have lists for every position but to say, it's one of these players or no one, is just plain crazy. Burke and Co are there to assist and facilitate, and not to dictate. For all we know Sami might be talking to contacts right now with a view to buy or borrow, and the targets he is thinking of might not appear on anyone's list.
That sounds convincing, Vegas, and I hope you are right.
There will need to be possible targets already identified, so that we can move quickly in the transfer market to secure some of the signings that Sami needs. With pre-season only a few weeks off, it would be unrealistic for him to arrive, and suddenly have to acquire a new team all by himself.
On the subject of who selects the transfer targets, I think it is important for supporters to know this, so that we can form an opinion on the judgement of those involved.
Why should supporters know the transfer targets,manager(coac
h) is ok,keep that behind closed doors.

SH will have his preference will those fall in the money bracket,he has.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]I would respectfully suggest it says nothing of the sort - he is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists! Let's not forget he will have no real knowledge of players at our level so will be reliant on Burke, Jones and our scouting network who, one would hope, have not been sitting on their hands since the end of the season!![/p][/quote]Agree[/p][/quote]Really! So if Sami identifies a player that he wants, but that player's name is not on the, 'short list,' then Sami can just forget about signing him, you really think that this is something that Hyypia agreed to when deciding to join us. Burke doesn't like a certain player so Hyypia had better not like that player. Burke likes two or three let sided center backs, he has them on his short list, but Hyypia knows of another that he would prefer, forget it Sami, it aint happening, yep that how it works. If any of this BS were true, Hyypia surely would not have joined us, and certainly won't stay. I would agree that Burke and Co will have lists for every position but to say, it's one of these players or no one, is just plain crazy. Burke and Co are there to assist and facilitate, and not to dictate. For all we know Sami might be talking to contacts right now with a view to buy or borrow, and the targets he is thinking of might not appear on anyone's list.[/p][/quote]That sounds convincing, Vegas, and I hope you are right. There will need to be possible targets already identified, so that we can move quickly in the transfer market to secure some of the signings that Sami needs. With pre-season only a few weeks off, it would be unrealistic for him to arrive, and suddenly have to acquire a new team all by himself. On the subject of who selects the transfer targets, I think it is important for supporters to know this, so that we can form an opinion on the judgement of those involved.[/p][/quote]Why should supporters know the transfer targets,manager(coac h) is ok,keep that behind closed doors. SH will have his preference will those fall in the money bracket,he has. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 1

5:42pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Mancgulled wrote:
Really hoping Stephen Ward is top priority! Very interesting to see what players come in -- Germany is a hotbed of talent right now ...........
Lol like Barcelona was going to loan us under OG .. We end up with obika and a 3 stone overwieght from Swansea ..
Good grief MBTS. Is there any issue you can't put a negative slant on. I've been reading through this thread and cringing at every other comment. Some people just aren't happy unless they are either moaning or deliberately winding everyone else up.

Frankly I can't wait for the season to start so we can start talking about football matches again instead of wading through comment after comment where people state their opinion as being gospel , however absurd the reasoning behind it.

Come on guys and girls. How about we all chill a bit and enjoy the prospect of a short World Cup and a long 2014/15?!

UTA!!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mancgulled[/bold] wrote: Really hoping Stephen Ward is top priority! Very interesting to see what players come in -- Germany is a hotbed of talent right now ...........[/p][/quote]Lol like Barcelona was going to loan us under OG .. We end up with obika and a 3 stone overwieght from Swansea ..[/p][/quote]Good grief MBTS. Is there any issue you can't put a negative slant on. I've been reading through this thread and cringing at every other comment. Some people just aren't happy unless they are either moaning or deliberately winding everyone else up. Frankly I can't wait for the season to start so we can start talking about football matches again instead of wading through comment after comment where people state their opinion as being gospel , however absurd the reasoning behind it. Come on guys and girls. How about we all chill a bit and enjoy the prospect of a short World Cup and a long 2014/15?! UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 8

5:51pm Mon 9 Jun 14

gordongull says...

''Sami has already looked at videos of our matches from last season.''
The article doesn't state whether this is to learn about the team, or a cure for insomnia.
''Sami has already looked at videos of our matches from last season.'' The article doesn't state whether this is to learn about the team, or a cure for insomnia. gordongull
  • Score: 1

5:58pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Mancgulled says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Mancgulled wrote:
Really hoping Stephen Ward is top priority! Very interesting to see what players come in -- Germany is a hotbed of talent right now ...........
Lol like Barcelona was going to loan us under OG .. We end up with obika and a 3 stone overwieght from Swansea ..
You work in a country - you have knowledge of up and coming youth players - the ones that are not yet ready but would go down a storm in the championship - thats how it works! Macheda, Lingard, McEachran, Shelvey, Welbeck - they were all loaned out to accrue playing time/exp in the championship - hopefully Germany will hold some options for Hyppia - obviously it isn't going to be Draxler but he will hopefully be a whole lot more animated than Oscar who according to TB was too vague about his targets -
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mancgulled[/bold] wrote: Really hoping Stephen Ward is top priority! Very interesting to see what players come in -- Germany is a hotbed of talent right now ...........[/p][/quote]Lol like Barcelona was going to loan us under OG .. We end up with obika and a 3 stone overwieght from Swansea ..[/p][/quote]You work in a country - you have knowledge of up and coming youth players - the ones that are not yet ready but would go down a storm in the championship - thats how it works! Macheda, Lingard, McEachran, Shelvey, Welbeck - they were all loaned out to accrue playing time/exp in the championship - hopefully Germany will hold some options for Hyppia - obviously it isn't going to be Draxler but he will hopefully be a whole lot more animated than Oscar who according to TB was too vague about his targets - Mancgulled
  • Score: 1

6:04pm Mon 9 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

Claude Back wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
Funny how two people can read the same article and interpret it very differently. The phrase "Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing" suggests to me that he'll be expected to pick new signings from the list already put together by the Scouting team.

That's the total opposite to "identifying the players he wants".
I agree. That is exactly what it means.
However, Jeff Lomer thinks AIS is so wonderful that we should all immediately say the same as him, so he won't agree. ;-)
Claude the difference between most posters on here than you they try to join in the conversation were as you scroll down and see who you can pick on for the day, try having your own view about the thread for a change instead off agreeing with someone else, couldn't tell you the last time I read one off your posts, you were even bullied at school or your just sad, I i said last week Claude scroll past them no need to be abusive all the time, yer I think Staff talks sense you don't that's up to you, not bothered what you think!!
Your reasoning, Jeff, (if you can call it that, makes no sense.
Why should I not agree with other posters? What is the point anyway of stating the bleeding obvious which is all you seem to do. You clearly don't think very deeply which accounts for your bizarre criticism and admiration of other people's opinions.
As for being abusive....that seems to be your prerogative, not mine. Usually I try to inject a little humour which is often very lacking here, except for a few wits. You're (yes, you're not 'your' btw ) only half way there on that score..
Claude scroll past move on!!
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]Funny how two people can read the same article and interpret it very differently. The phrase "Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing" suggests to me that he'll be expected to pick new signings from the list already put together by the Scouting team. That's the total opposite to "identifying the players he wants".[/p][/quote]I agree. That is exactly what it means. However, Jeff Lomer thinks AIS is so wonderful that we should all immediately say the same as him, so he won't agree. ;-)[/p][/quote]Claude the difference between most posters on here than you they try to join in the conversation were as you scroll down and see who you can pick on for the day, try having your own view about the thread for a change instead off agreeing with someone else, couldn't tell you the last time I read one off your posts, you were even bullied at school or your just sad, I i said last week Claude scroll past them no need to be abusive all the time, yer I think Staff talks sense you don't that's up to you, not bothered what you think!![/p][/quote]Your reasoning, Jeff, (if you can call it that, makes no sense. Why should I not agree with other posters? What is the point anyway of stating the bleeding obvious which is all you seem to do. You clearly don't think very deeply which accounts for your bizarre criticism and admiration of other people's opinions. As for being abusive....that seems to be your prerogative, not mine. Usually I try to inject a little humour which is often very lacking here, except for a few wits. You're (yes, you're not 'your' btw ) only half way there on that score..[/p][/quote]Claude scroll past move on!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 0

6:37pm Mon 9 Jun 14

ballantrrae says...

fairweathersupporter wrote:
Right Sami,
Off on a World Cup Holiday, barring anything important...
When i came back could we please have:
A new goalkeeper.
A new centreback
A box to box midfielder.
Another attacker.

Oh and a nice picture of all the above in our new kit.

Rock on Sami.
I would add to your list Fairweathersupporter . Apart from Ward whom you mention in you second post on this thread we probably need another 3 players ie at least 8 in total.
Specifically a second new striker, a (4th) CB, and most of all a creative attacking midfielder. Remember we have lost Barnes and although he didn't feature last season Hoskins; Bridcutt, Orlandi, Lopez and Andrews have departed from midfield but Stephens and Toko have joined; Upson and El-Abd have also left.
Of course when Hyypia assesses the squad he may decide that it is necessary to strengthen the team in other areas which could in turn lead to further departures (Agustein ?).
Much re-building for Hyypia to embark on which I await with interest. UTA.
[quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: Right Sami, Off on a World Cup Holiday, barring anything important... When i came back could we please have: A new goalkeeper. A new centreback A box to box midfielder. Another attacker. Oh and a nice picture of all the above in our new kit. Rock on Sami.[/p][/quote]I would add to your list Fairweathersupporter . Apart from Ward whom you mention in you second post on this thread we probably need another 3 players ie at least 8 in total. Specifically a second new striker, a (4th) CB, and most of all a creative attacking midfielder. Remember we have lost Barnes and although he didn't feature last season Hoskins; Bridcutt, Orlandi, Lopez and Andrews have departed from midfield but Stephens and Toko have joined; Upson and El-Abd have also left. Of course when Hyypia assesses the squad he may decide that it is necessary to strengthen the team in other areas which could in turn lead to further departures (Agustein ?). Much re-building for Hyypia to embark on which I await with interest. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 6

6:39pm Mon 9 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Mark, the Day wasn't sacked, his position was made redundant, he will not be replaced, his role will be absorbed by others or simply go away, after all, why do we need a head scout?

Scouts go and look at certain players they can now report back to Hyypia and Burke, rather than, Day Hyypia and Burke. If you think that this gives more power to Burke and Barber, you are ignoring the fact that Hyypia is our manager. I am not sure why you think that Barber has any say in who we sign, his role is making sure we don't over spend, and that's about it regarding targets. If Hyypia calls for spending on players using money we don't have, Barber will do his job and say no. Saying no or yes doesn't mean that Barber has an opinion on a player's skill sets, it simply means that we either have the funds or we don't.

I would place a huge bet that if, Burke, Jones and Barber had no say at all in who we sign, if it was all down to Sami, your next comment would be, 'how can he build a squad, he knows nothing about our division or this particular market.'

Your glass will never be half full Mark.
Mark, the Day wasn't sacked, his position was made redundant, he will not be replaced, his role will be absorbed by others or simply go away, after all, why do we need a head scout? Scouts go and look at certain players they can now report back to Hyypia and Burke, rather than, Day Hyypia and Burke. If you think that this gives more power to Burke and Barber, you are ignoring the fact that Hyypia is our manager. I am not sure why you think that Barber has any say in who we sign, his role is making sure we don't over spend, and that's about it regarding targets. If Hyypia calls for spending on players using money we don't have, Barber will do his job and say no. Saying no or yes doesn't mean that Barber has an opinion on a player's skill sets, it simply means that we either have the funds or we don't. I would place a huge bet that if, Burke, Jones and Barber had no say at all in who we sign, if it was all down to Sami, your next comment would be, 'how can he build a squad, he knows nothing about our division or this particular market.' Your glass will never be half full Mark. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

6:53pm Mon 9 Jun 14

the taffster says...

I can't see how or why hypia would have got the job before Mackay,hughton or Clarke...?all who have taken clubs up from the c,ship......why employ a rookie manager?the only reason I can see is Tony bloom doesn't want promotion yet...Mackay knows that league inside out and has the contacts.'..just another season of consolidation again then'.
I can't see how or why hypia would have got the job before Mackay,hughton or Clarke...?all who have taken clubs up from the c,ship......why employ a rookie manager?the only reason I can see is Tony bloom doesn't want promotion yet...Mackay knows that league inside out and has the contacts.'..just another season of consolidation again then'. the taffster
  • Score: -8

6:59pm Mon 9 Jun 14

OldGull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Well it seems that some on here think that Hyypia won't be identifying his own transfer targets, that it's more a case of him identifying a position that needs filling, and then he will be told to choose from a list others have compiled.

Let's look at the back four, an area that clearly needs sorting out, if the, 'others,' suggest we sign Ward, the videos tell of his contributions, would that be a wrong thing to do?
We need a couple of center backs, the, 'others,' might have a list, but Hyypia has contacts he might just say no thanks, I can get better.
We have scouts, they work in different parts of Europe, I would bet that Sami knows more about available talent in Germany than all our scouts put together.
Keeping Jones makes perfect sense, perfect for a couple of reasons. Sami can watch videos all day long but those videos will tell him little about the person. Jones can speak of certain players attitude or temperment and their work ethic on the training field. What will Hyypia learn about Kemmy from watching videos, I doubt he features at all, but Sami will have questins about him and Jones can answer those questions. Buckley will look good on video but what about his persistent injuries, Jones and the medical team can talk of this issue. Jones as head coach and given the situation we are in, brings a lot of info to the table.

Barber tells of Sami identifying the players he wants, he also says that if these players are available, 'within our budget,' we will do what we can to get them, does that not speak to the freedom Sami will have in building his squad.
Vegas you agree with the club whatever, how on earth is sami sure he can work with jones? Funny the coaching staff from Spain was shown the door , jones has been here as long as all those coaching staff.
Seriously the stress of managing a club is one thing but to say sami wanted jones is beyond anyone taking those words seriously, are you serious that sami wanted a coach who may not agree with his principles? The jones knows the squad line is thin as it can get, I have no doubt jones was going to stay whoever was employed.
As for knowing the players, players are purchased knowing very little about a player outside the ground, there have been fights galore in training, players not speaking, that happens at every club, we are about to see 7-8 players coming in over next 4 weeks,,so the structure of the changing room will change .
As for the search for the new manager being ' thorough ' hardly going to say anything other is he?
Mark you are clearly holding to your opinion that you, 'know,' more than some on here and certainly more than most.

My opinion re Jones is based on what I would consider to be a sensible move by Hyypia, now you may think the move wrong, but I don't. You prefer to see a shadowy hand behind most things that occur re the squad and recruitment, I don't. Keeping Jones does not stop Sami from appointing his own assistant manager and he will bring in other backroom staff. As he prepares to form his squad, and if he says Jones can help him during these early days of his reign, who are we to call him a liar, and that is what you are doing, isn't it.

Mark we only know what the club or Sami tells us, no more and no less. If you prefer to believe that it's all lies that's your choice, but I doubt many fans, and when I say fans, I mean all of them and not just the 30 or so that comment on this forum, I doubt many of those will agree with you.
So carry on with your glass half empty approach to the forum, it's what I expect, and if you think me foolish for thinking that the club isn't run by a bunch of bare faced liars, then so be it.
MBTS, what you're actually saying is that Hyypia has accepted a job that from day one he's unhappy with. That's ridiculous.
I'm afraid that a player who has played and managed at the top of European football for twenty years, is unlikely to need to jump at the first job he sees - especially when he appears to have such a good reputation within the game.
To suggest he's had Jones forced upon him without his tacit approval is a comment without any foundation or logic.
Perhaps Jones DID come as part of the package and frankly, if that's the case, I think it makes perfect sense. Of course the make up of the playing staff may change dramatically in the next few weeks, but with Jones around, there's a measure of consistency in terms of what is needed - and why. If Hyypia didn't like what he saw, he wouldn't have taken the job.
Vegas , we are back to the days of white and booker, many on here said jones would stay either as head scout bottle washer or something, that's exactly what we said was going to happen!
The fact Barber came up with a plausible connection is a laugh, does Burke not know the players? He should know if he is buying or selling ,
We now have no head scout who will dissect reports on players , give second opinions on these players and offer a idea of there worth, potential and if they will fit our playing style! This is now all down to Burke , sounds more like barber and Burke have more control than they did last year!
Good luck to sami , but I don't think jones is in his camp, and that in a nut she'll is the problem in my eyes.
it might, 'sound like Burke and Barber have more control than last year,' but only if anyone believes what you are saying, yo do, that's clear, but I don't.
The link between Burke and Hyypia might be Jones, but when an assistant manager is selected by Sami that link might well end.
Mark you are offering your opinions and claiming them as facts, fact is mate, you know no more than anyone else, you just have opinions as we all do.
Put some meat on your claim that Burke and Barber have more clout than they had last year, tell us how and why. You won't have any facts, at best you will offer opinions. Those in power at the club could make a hundred decisions today and you would find fault in all of them, it's just the way you are.
Mervyn Day sacked , head scout gone , no mention of a head scout in barber statement ... So more control for Burke or can you shed some spin on this?
Just maybe Sammi has his own scouts that he can call on.

I seem to remember that people moaned about Mervyn Day when he was head scout.
Same as they moaned about Barnes when he played for us.

It strikes me that many complain because they can.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Well it seems that some on here think that Hyypia won't be identifying his own transfer targets, that it's more a case of him identifying a position that needs filling, and then he will be told to choose from a list others have compiled. Let's look at the back four, an area that clearly needs sorting out, if the, 'others,' suggest we sign Ward, the videos tell of his contributions, would that be a wrong thing to do? We need a couple of center backs, the, 'others,' might have a list, but Hyypia has contacts he might just say no thanks, I can get better. We have scouts, they work in different parts of Europe, I would bet that Sami knows more about available talent in Germany than all our scouts put together. Keeping Jones makes perfect sense, perfect for a couple of reasons. Sami can watch videos all day long but those videos will tell him little about the person. Jones can speak of certain players attitude or temperment and their work ethic on the training field. What will Hyypia learn about Kemmy from watching videos, I doubt he features at all, but Sami will have questins about him and Jones can answer those questions. Buckley will look good on video but what about his persistent injuries, Jones and the medical team can talk of this issue. Jones as head coach and given the situation we are in, brings a lot of info to the table. Barber tells of Sami identifying the players he wants, he also says that if these players are available, 'within our budget,' we will do what we can to get them, does that not speak to the freedom Sami will have in building his squad.[/p][/quote]Vegas you agree with the club whatever, how on earth is sami sure he can work with jones? Funny the coaching staff from Spain was shown the door , jones has been here as long as all those coaching staff. Seriously the stress of managing a club is one thing but to say sami wanted jones is beyond anyone taking those words seriously, are you serious that sami wanted a coach who may not agree with his principles? The jones knows the squad line is thin as it can get, I have no doubt jones was going to stay whoever was employed. As for knowing the players, players are purchased knowing very little about a player outside the ground, there have been fights galore in training, players not speaking, that happens at every club, we are about to see 7-8 players coming in over next 4 weeks,,so the structure of the changing room will change . As for the search for the new manager being ' thorough ' hardly going to say anything other is he?[/p][/quote]Mark you are clearly holding to your opinion that you, 'know,' more than some on here and certainly more than most. My opinion re Jones is based on what I would consider to be a sensible move by Hyypia, now you may think the move wrong, but I don't. You prefer to see a shadowy hand behind most things that occur re the squad and recruitment, I don't. Keeping Jones does not stop Sami from appointing his own assistant manager and he will bring in other backroom staff. As he prepares to form his squad, and if he says Jones can help him during these early days of his reign, who are we to call him a liar, and that is what you are doing, isn't it. Mark we only know what the club or Sami tells us, no more and no less. If you prefer to believe that it's all lies that's your choice, but I doubt many fans, and when I say fans, I mean all of them and not just the 30 or so that comment on this forum, I doubt many of those will agree with you. So carry on with your glass half empty approach to the forum, it's what I expect, and if you think me foolish for thinking that the club isn't run by a bunch of bare faced liars, then so be it.[/p][/quote]MBTS, what you're actually saying is that Hyypia has accepted a job that from day one he's unhappy with. That's ridiculous. I'm afraid that a player who has played and managed at the top of European football for twenty years, is unlikely to need to jump at the first job he sees - especially when he appears to have such a good reputation within the game. To suggest he's had Jones forced upon him without his tacit approval is a comment without any foundation or logic. Perhaps Jones DID come as part of the package and frankly, if that's the case, I think it makes perfect sense. Of course the make up of the playing staff may change dramatically in the next few weeks, but with Jones around, there's a measure of consistency in terms of what is needed - and why. If Hyypia didn't like what he saw, he wouldn't have taken the job.[/p][/quote]Vegas , we are back to the days of white and booker, many on here said jones would stay either as head scout bottle washer or something, that's exactly what we said was going to happen! The fact Barber came up with a plausible connection is a laugh, does Burke not know the players? He should know if he is buying or selling , We now have no head scout who will dissect reports on players , give second opinions on these players and offer a idea of there worth, potential and if they will fit our playing style! This is now all down to Burke , sounds more like barber and Burke have more control than they did last year! Good luck to sami , but I don't think jones is in his camp, and that in a nut she'll is the problem in my eyes.[/p][/quote]it might, 'sound like Burke and Barber have more control than last year,' but only if anyone believes what you are saying, yo do, that's clear, but I don't. The link between Burke and Hyypia might be Jones, but when an assistant manager is selected by Sami that link might well end. Mark you are offering your opinions and claiming them as facts, fact is mate, you know no more than anyone else, you just have opinions as we all do. Put some meat on your claim that Burke and Barber have more clout than they had last year, tell us how and why. You won't have any facts, at best you will offer opinions. Those in power at the club could make a hundred decisions today and you would find fault in all of them, it's just the way you are.[/p][/quote]Mervyn Day sacked , head scout gone , no mention of a head scout in barber statement ... So more control for Burke or can you shed some spin on this?[/p][/quote]Just maybe Sammi has his own scouts that he can call on. I seem to remember that people moaned about Mervyn Day when he was head scout. Same as they moaned about Barnes when he played for us. It strikes me that many complain because they can. OldGull
  • Score: 7

7:06pm Mon 9 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

the taffster wrote:
I can't see how or why hypia would have got the job before Mackay,hughton or Clarke...?all who have taken clubs up from the c,ship......why employ a rookie manager?the only reason I can see is Tony bloom doesn't want promotion yet...Mackay knows that league inside out and has the contacts.'..just another season of consolidation again then'.
assuming that those you mention actually wanted to join Brighton, a question we don't know the answer to and probably never will.

Another season of consolidation, by, 'consolidating,' do you mean another year of reaching the play-offs, that would be really bad, wouldn't it.
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: I can't see how or why hypia would have got the job before Mackay,hughton or Clarke...?all who have taken clubs up from the c,ship......why employ a rookie manager?the only reason I can see is Tony bloom doesn't want promotion yet...Mackay knows that league inside out and has the contacts.'..just another season of consolidation again then'.[/p][/quote]assuming that those you mention actually wanted to join Brighton, a question we don't know the answer to and probably never will. Another season of consolidation, by, 'consolidating,' do you mean another year of reaching the play-offs, that would be really bad, wouldn't it. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 10

7:25pm Mon 9 Jun 14

albionbloke says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Mancgulled wrote:
Really hoping Stephen Ward is top priority! Very interesting to see what players come in -- Germany is a hotbed of talent right now ...........
Lol like Barcelona was going to loan us under OG .. We end up with obika and a 3 stone overwieght from Swansea ..
Good grief MBTS. Is there any issue you can't put a negative slant on. I've been reading through this thread and cringing at every other comment. Some people just aren't happy unless they are either moaning or deliberately winding everyone else up.

Frankly I can't wait for the season to start so we can start talking about football matches again instead of wading through comment after comment where people state their opinion as being gospel , however absurd the reasoning behind it.

Come on guys and girls. How about we all chill a bit and enjoy the prospect of a short World Cup and a long 2014/15?!

UTA!!
We'll said SSI, you just have to shake your head at his continual pessimism. But I guess there's a bit of truth in the expression "there's one in every crowd"
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mancgulled[/bold] wrote: Really hoping Stephen Ward is top priority! Very interesting to see what players come in -- Germany is a hotbed of talent right now ...........[/p][/quote]Lol like Barcelona was going to loan us under OG .. We end up with obika and a 3 stone overwieght from Swansea ..[/p][/quote]Good grief MBTS. Is there any issue you can't put a negative slant on. I've been reading through this thread and cringing at every other comment. Some people just aren't happy unless they are either moaning or deliberately winding everyone else up. Frankly I can't wait for the season to start so we can start talking about football matches again instead of wading through comment after comment where people state their opinion as being gospel , however absurd the reasoning behind it. Come on guys and girls. How about we all chill a bit and enjoy the prospect of a short World Cup and a long 2014/15?! UTA!![/p][/quote]We'll said SSI, you just have to shake your head at his continual pessimism. But I guess there's a bit of truth in the expression "there's one in every crowd" albionbloke
  • Score: 1

8:08pm Mon 9 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Pretty certain that there won't be any big news re players until Hyypia is formerly rolled out, so I have indulged in a little speculation, nothing else to talk about, is there?

With Hyypia being a defender during his playing days, one would have to think that this will be the area of the squad that he works on first. As of now we have a right back and cover, two centerbacks and no cover, by my thinking we need a left back, we have cover and a starting center back and a back up center back. 3 players for the back line. A first choice keeper is a must, if Walton stays then we are done.

Could Hyypia go with a 4-2-3-1 line up, we have Ince and the new lad, they could be the '2,' not sure on cover.

The three could be interesting, Crofts coming back would be good, would CMS play at the center of the '3,' with Buckley completing the trio. Leo up front. We have Solly, Stephens and JFC, as back up.
We obviously need at least one more striker, along with a possible young lad pushing for a starting place.

4-2-3-1 a non starter??
Pretty certain that there won't be any big news re players until Hyypia is formerly rolled out, so I have indulged in a little speculation, nothing else to talk about, is there? With Hyypia being a defender during his playing days, one would have to think that this will be the area of the squad that he works on first. As of now we have a right back and cover, two centerbacks and no cover, by my thinking we need a left back, we have cover and a starting center back and a back up center back. 3 players for the back line. A first choice keeper is a must, if Walton stays then we are done. Could Hyypia go with a 4-2-3-1 line up, we have Ince and the new lad, they could be the '2,' not sure on cover. The three could be interesting, Crofts coming back would be good, would CMS play at the center of the '3,' with Buckley completing the trio. Leo up front. We have Solly, Stephens and JFC, as back up. We obviously need at least one more striker, along with a possible young lad pushing for a starting place. 4-2-3-1 a non starter?? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

8:34pm Mon 9 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Pretty certain that there won't be any big news re players until Hyypia is formerly rolled out, so I have indulged in a little speculation, nothing else to talk about, is there?

With Hyypia being a defender during his playing days, one would have to think that this will be the area of the squad that he works on first. As of now we have a right back and cover, two centerbacks and no cover, by my thinking we need a left back, we have cover and a starting center back and a back up center back. 3 players for the back line. A first choice keeper is a must, if Walton stays then we are done.

Could Hyypia go with a 4-2-3-1 line up, we have Ince and the new lad, they could be the '2,' not sure on cover.

The three could be interesting, Crofts coming back would be good, would CMS play at the center of the '3,' with Buckley completing the trio. Leo up front. We have Solly, Stephens and JFC, as back up.
We obviously need at least one more striker, along with a possible young lad pushing for a starting place.

4-2-3-1 a non starter??
I should of added, the 4-2-3-1 pattern seems to me to be the one where we would need to buy the least number of new players. Two loanees could see us pretty much sorted when added to those I mentioned earlier. It just might be that we have a smaller squad this season, smaller but better.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Pretty certain that there won't be any big news re players until Hyypia is formerly rolled out, so I have indulged in a little speculation, nothing else to talk about, is there? With Hyypia being a defender during his playing days, one would have to think that this will be the area of the squad that he works on first. As of now we have a right back and cover, two centerbacks and no cover, by my thinking we need a left back, we have cover and a starting center back and a back up center back. 3 players for the back line. A first choice keeper is a must, if Walton stays then we are done. Could Hyypia go with a 4-2-3-1 line up, we have Ince and the new lad, they could be the '2,' not sure on cover. The three could be interesting, Crofts coming back would be good, would CMS play at the center of the '3,' with Buckley completing the trio. Leo up front. We have Solly, Stephens and JFC, as back up. We obviously need at least one more striker, along with a possible young lad pushing for a starting place. 4-2-3-1 a non starter??[/p][/quote]I should of added, the 4-2-3-1 pattern seems to me to be the one where we would need to buy the least number of new players. Two loanees could see us pretty much sorted when added to those I mentioned earlier. It just might be that we have a smaller squad this season, smaller but better. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

8:42pm Mon 9 Jun 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Pretty certain that there won't be any big news re players until Hyypia is formerly rolled out, so I have indulged in a little speculation, nothing else to talk about, is there?

With Hyypia being a defender during his playing days, one would have to think that this will be the area of the squad that he works on first. As of now we have a right back and cover, two centerbacks and no cover, by my thinking we need a left back, we have cover and a starting center back and a back up center back. 3 players for the back line. A first choice keeper is a must, if Walton stays then we are done.

Could Hyypia go with a 4-2-3-1 line up, we have Ince and the new lad, they could be the '2,' not sure on cover.

The three could be interesting, Crofts coming back would be good, would CMS play at the center of the '3,' with Buckley completing the trio. Leo up front. We have Solly, Stephens and JFC, as back up.
We obviously need at least one more striker, along with a possible young lad pushing for a starting place.

4-2-3-1 a non starter??
I should of added, the 4-2-3-1 pattern seems to me to be the one where we would need to buy the least number of new players. Two loanees could see us pretty much sorted when added to those I mentioned earlier. It just might be that we have a smaller squad this season, smaller but better.
I am hoping that Sami will have the presence of mind to change things, as and when required. If so, he will need enough players to make that possible.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Pretty certain that there won't be any big news re players until Hyypia is formerly rolled out, so I have indulged in a little speculation, nothing else to talk about, is there? With Hyypia being a defender during his playing days, one would have to think that this will be the area of the squad that he works on first. As of now we have a right back and cover, two centerbacks and no cover, by my thinking we need a left back, we have cover and a starting center back and a back up center back. 3 players for the back line. A first choice keeper is a must, if Walton stays then we are done. Could Hyypia go with a 4-2-3-1 line up, we have Ince and the new lad, they could be the '2,' not sure on cover. The three could be interesting, Crofts coming back would be good, would CMS play at the center of the '3,' with Buckley completing the trio. Leo up front. We have Solly, Stephens and JFC, as back up. We obviously need at least one more striker, along with a possible young lad pushing for a starting place. 4-2-3-1 a non starter??[/p][/quote]I should of added, the 4-2-3-1 pattern seems to me to be the one where we would need to buy the least number of new players. Two loanees could see us pretty much sorted when added to those I mentioned earlier. It just might be that we have a smaller squad this season, smaller but better.[/p][/quote]I am hoping that Sami will have the presence of mind to change things, as and when required. If so, he will need enough players to make that possible. gordongull
  • Score: 0

8:44pm Mon 9 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Pretty certain that there won't be any big news re players until Hyypia is formerly rolled out, so I have indulged in a little speculation, nothing else to talk about, is there?

With Hyypia being a defender during his playing days, one would have to think that this will be the area of the squad that he works on first. As of now we have a right back and cover, two centerbacks and no cover, by my thinking we need a left back, we have cover and a starting center back and a back up center back. 3 players for the back line. A first choice keeper is a must, if Walton stays then we are done.

Could Hyypia go with a 4-2-3-1 line up, we have Ince and the new lad, they could be the '2,' not sure on cover.

The three could be interesting, Crofts coming back would be good, would CMS play at the center of the '3,' with Buckley completing the trio. Leo up front. We have Solly, Stephens and JFC, as back up.
We obviously need at least one more striker, along with a possible young lad pushing for a starting place.

4-2-3-1 a non starter??
I should of added, the 4-2-3-1 pattern seems to me to be the one where we would need to buy the least number of new players. Two loanees could see us pretty much sorted when added to those I mentioned earlier. It just might be that we have a smaller squad this season, smaller but better.
I am hoping that Sami will have the presence of mind to change things, as and when required. If so, he will need enough players to make that possible.
agreed but change them how, what would you wish him to do re our pattern of play?
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Pretty certain that there won't be any big news re players until Hyypia is formerly rolled out, so I have indulged in a little speculation, nothing else to talk about, is there? With Hyypia being a defender during his playing days, one would have to think that this will be the area of the squad that he works on first. As of now we have a right back and cover, two centerbacks and no cover, by my thinking we need a left back, we have cover and a starting center back and a back up center back. 3 players for the back line. A first choice keeper is a must, if Walton stays then we are done. Could Hyypia go with a 4-2-3-1 line up, we have Ince and the new lad, they could be the '2,' not sure on cover. The three could be interesting, Crofts coming back would be good, would CMS play at the center of the '3,' with Buckley completing the trio. Leo up front. We have Solly, Stephens and JFC, as back up. We obviously need at least one more striker, along with a possible young lad pushing for a starting place. 4-2-3-1 a non starter??[/p][/quote]I should of added, the 4-2-3-1 pattern seems to me to be the one where we would need to buy the least number of new players. Two loanees could see us pretty much sorted when added to those I mentioned earlier. It just might be that we have a smaller squad this season, smaller but better.[/p][/quote]I am hoping that Sami will have the presence of mind to change things, as and when required. If so, he will need enough players to make that possible.[/p][/quote]agreed but change them how, what would you wish him to do re our pattern of play? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

8:52pm Mon 9 Jun 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Pretty certain that there won't be any big news re players until Hyypia is formerly rolled out, so I have indulged in a little speculation, nothing else to talk about, is there?

With Hyypia being a defender during his playing days, one would have to think that this will be the area of the squad that he works on first. As of now we have a right back and cover, two centerbacks and no cover, by my thinking we need a left back, we have cover and a starting center back and a back up center back. 3 players for the back line. A first choice keeper is a must, if Walton stays then we are done.

Could Hyypia go with a 4-2-3-1 line up, we have Ince and the new lad, they could be the '2,' not sure on cover.

The three could be interesting, Crofts coming back would be good, would CMS play at the center of the '3,' with Buckley completing the trio. Leo up front. We have Solly, Stephens and JFC, as back up.
We obviously need at least one more striker, along with a possible young lad pushing for a starting place.

4-2-3-1 a non starter??
I should of added, the 4-2-3-1 pattern seems to me to be the one where we would need to buy the least number of new players. Two loanees could see us pretty much sorted when added to those I mentioned earlier. It just might be that we have a smaller squad this season, smaller but better.
I am hoping that Sami will have the presence of mind to change things, as and when required. If so, he will need enough players to make that possible.
agreed but change them how, what would you wish him to do re our pattern of play?
All I'm saying is that a reduced squad would reduce his options.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Pretty certain that there won't be any big news re players until Hyypia is formerly rolled out, so I have indulged in a little speculation, nothing else to talk about, is there? With Hyypia being a defender during his playing days, one would have to think that this will be the area of the squad that he works on first. As of now we have a right back and cover, two centerbacks and no cover, by my thinking we need a left back, we have cover and a starting center back and a back up center back. 3 players for the back line. A first choice keeper is a must, if Walton stays then we are done. Could Hyypia go with a 4-2-3-1 line up, we have Ince and the new lad, they could be the '2,' not sure on cover. The three could be interesting, Crofts coming back would be good, would CMS play at the center of the '3,' with Buckley completing the trio. Leo up front. We have Solly, Stephens and JFC, as back up. We obviously need at least one more striker, along with a possible young lad pushing for a starting place. 4-2-3-1 a non starter??[/p][/quote]I should of added, the 4-2-3-1 pattern seems to me to be the one where we would need to buy the least number of new players. Two loanees could see us pretty much sorted when added to those I mentioned earlier. It just might be that we have a smaller squad this season, smaller but better.[/p][/quote]I am hoping that Sami will have the presence of mind to change things, as and when required. If so, he will need enough players to make that possible.[/p][/quote]agreed but change them how, what would you wish him to do re our pattern of play?[/p][/quote]All I'm saying is that a reduced squad would reduce his options. gordongull
  • Score: 2

9:04pm Mon 9 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, the Day wasn't sacked, his position was made redundant, he will not be replaced, his role will be absorbed by others or simply go away, after all, why do we need a head scout?

Scouts go and look at certain players they can now report back to Hyypia and Burke, rather than, Day Hyypia and Burke. If you think that this gives more power to Burke and Barber, you are ignoring the fact that Hyypia is our manager. I am not sure why you think that Barber has any say in who we sign, his role is making sure we don't over spend, and that's about it regarding targets. If Hyypia calls for spending on players using money we don't have, Barber will do his job and say no. Saying no or yes doesn't mean that Barber has an opinion on a player's skill sets, it simply means that we either have the funds or we don't.

I would place a huge bet that if, Burke, Jones and Barber had no say at all in who we sign, if it was all down to Sami, your next comment would be, 'how can he build a squad, he knows nothing about our division or this particular market.'

Your glass will never be half full Mark.
So who actually goes and sees these players before spending 1m on wages?
That's assuming they earn 10k a week...
Do you have any idea how scouting works?
As I understand it, the club had 11 scouts working for Day, those scouts have people mentioning players , youth players etc every week, over a month those scouts will select maybe half a dozen , day would then watch or ask a contact to watch .. If then player was favourable Day would watch 3-4 times ..
Someone has to organise this and make the decision on the ground, not in a office.. If a player is then available contact is made.
Someone has to make a decision on players every week , that is a skill and a full time job.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, the Day wasn't sacked, his position was made redundant, he will not be replaced, his role will be absorbed by others or simply go away, after all, why do we need a head scout? Scouts go and look at certain players they can now report back to Hyypia and Burke, rather than, Day Hyypia and Burke. If you think that this gives more power to Burke and Barber, you are ignoring the fact that Hyypia is our manager. I am not sure why you think that Barber has any say in who we sign, his role is making sure we don't over spend, and that's about it regarding targets. If Hyypia calls for spending on players using money we don't have, Barber will do his job and say no. Saying no or yes doesn't mean that Barber has an opinion on a player's skill sets, it simply means that we either have the funds or we don't. I would place a huge bet that if, Burke, Jones and Barber had no say at all in who we sign, if it was all down to Sami, your next comment would be, 'how can he build a squad, he knows nothing about our division or this particular market.' Your glass will never be half full Mark.[/p][/quote]So who actually goes and sees these players before spending 1m on wages? That's assuming they earn 10k a week... Do you have any idea how scouting works? As I understand it, the club had 11 scouts working for Day, those scouts have people mentioning players , youth players etc every week, over a month those scouts will select maybe half a dozen , day would then watch or ask a contact to watch .. If then player was favourable Day would watch 3-4 times .. Someone has to organise this and make the decision on the ground, not in a office.. If a player is then available contact is made. Someone has to make a decision on players every week , that is a skill and a full time job. mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

9:33pm Mon 9 Jun 14

sussexram40 says...

Not excited by the appointment if I'm honest.
Wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be another 1 season wonder.
Not excited by the appointment if I'm honest. Wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be another 1 season wonder. sussexram40
  • Score: -12

9:54pm Mon 9 Jun 14

bruce beckett says...

Typical that of all clubs it should be Nottingham Forest who are poised to sign the striker top of my wish list...Matty Fryatt from Hull. They only have about 14 strikers on their books right now.

I can see Forest being the Leicester of the Championship next season; they have a lot of quality.
Typical that of all clubs it should be Nottingham Forest who are poised to sign the striker top of my wish list...Matty Fryatt from Hull. They only have about 14 strikers on their books right now. I can see Forest being the Leicester of the Championship next season; they have a lot of quality. bruce beckett
  • Score: -20

9:58pm Mon 9 Jun 14

OldGull says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Not excited by the appointment if I'm honest.
Wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be another 1 season wonder.
I am sure you're not.
We could have Mourinho with Fergie as his assistant and you, MTBS and several others would not be happy.
That is what many of you are on here for
To moan, moan & moan again.
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Not excited by the appointment if I'm honest. Wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be another 1 season wonder.[/p][/quote]I am sure you're not. We could have Mourinho with Fergie as his assistant and you, MTBS and several others would not be happy. That is what many of you are on here for To moan, moan & moan again. OldGull
  • Score: 7

10:14pm Mon 9 Jun 14

pte says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, the Day wasn't sacked, his position was made redundant, he will not be replaced, his role will be absorbed by others or simply go away, after all, why do we need a head scout?

Scouts go and look at certain players they can now report back to Hyypia and Burke, rather than, Day Hyypia and Burke. If you think that this gives more power to Burke and Barber, you are ignoring the fact that Hyypia is our manager. I am not sure why you think that Barber has any say in who we sign, his role is making sure we don't over spend, and that's about it regarding targets. If Hyypia calls for spending on players using money we don't have, Barber will do his job and say no. Saying no or yes doesn't mean that Barber has an opinion on a player's skill sets, it simply means that we either have the funds or we don't.

I would place a huge bet that if, Burke, Jones and Barber had no say at all in who we sign, if it was all down to Sami, your next comment would be, 'how can he build a squad, he knows nothing about our division or this particular market.'

Your glass will never be half full Mark.
So who actually goes and sees these players before spending 1m on wages?
That's assuming they earn 10k a week...
Do you have any idea how scouting works?
As I understand it, the club had 11 scouts working for Day, those scouts have people mentioning players , youth players etc every week, over a month those scouts will select maybe half a dozen , day would then watch or ask a contact to watch .. If then player was favourable Day would watch 3-4 times ..
Someone has to organise this and make the decision on the ground, not in a office.. If a player is then available contact is made.
Someone has to make a decision on players every week , that is a skill and a full time job.
So you're saying we no longer have a scouting system just a couple of desk jockeys (B&B) ?

Is there any prospect of a replacement for Day?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, the Day wasn't sacked, his position was made redundant, he will not be replaced, his role will be absorbed by others or simply go away, after all, why do we need a head scout? Scouts go and look at certain players they can now report back to Hyypia and Burke, rather than, Day Hyypia and Burke. If you think that this gives more power to Burke and Barber, you are ignoring the fact that Hyypia is our manager. I am not sure why you think that Barber has any say in who we sign, his role is making sure we don't over spend, and that's about it regarding targets. If Hyypia calls for spending on players using money we don't have, Barber will do his job and say no. Saying no or yes doesn't mean that Barber has an opinion on a player's skill sets, it simply means that we either have the funds or we don't. I would place a huge bet that if, Burke, Jones and Barber had no say at all in who we sign, if it was all down to Sami, your next comment would be, 'how can he build a squad, he knows nothing about our division or this particular market.' Your glass will never be half full Mark.[/p][/quote]So who actually goes and sees these players before spending 1m on wages? That's assuming they earn 10k a week... Do you have any idea how scouting works? As I understand it, the club had 11 scouts working for Day, those scouts have people mentioning players , youth players etc every week, over a month those scouts will select maybe half a dozen , day would then watch or ask a contact to watch .. If then player was favourable Day would watch 3-4 times .. Someone has to organise this and make the decision on the ground, not in a office.. If a player is then available contact is made. Someone has to make a decision on players every week , that is a skill and a full time job.[/p][/quote]So you're saying we no longer have a scouting system just a couple of desk jockeys (B&B) ? Is there any prospect of a replacement for Day? pte
  • Score: -1

10:25pm Mon 9 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, the Day wasn't sacked, his position was made redundant, he will not be replaced, his role will be absorbed by others or simply go away, after all, why do we need a head scout?

Scouts go and look at certain players they can now report back to Hyypia and Burke, rather than, Day Hyypia and Burke. If you think that this gives more power to Burke and Barber, you are ignoring the fact that Hyypia is our manager. I am not sure why you think that Barber has any say in who we sign, his role is making sure we don't over spend, and that's about it regarding targets. If Hyypia calls for spending on players using money we don't have, Barber will do his job and say no. Saying no or yes doesn't mean that Barber has an opinion on a player's skill sets, it simply means that we either have the funds or we don't.

I would place a huge bet that if, Burke, Jones and Barber had no say at all in who we sign, if it was all down to Sami, your next comment would be, 'how can he build a squad, he knows nothing about our division or this particular market.'

Your glass will never be half full Mark.
So who actually goes and sees these players before spending 1m on wages?
That's assuming they earn 10k a week...
Do you have any idea how scouting works?
As I understand it, the club had 11 scouts working for Day, those scouts have people mentioning players , youth players etc every week, over a month those scouts will select maybe half a dozen , day would then watch or ask a contact to watch .. If then player was favourable Day would watch 3-4 times ..
Someone has to organise this and make the decision on the ground, not in a office.. If a player is then available contact is made.
Someone has to make a decision on players every week , that is a skill and a full time job.
So you're saying we no longer have a scouting system just a couple of desk jockeys (B&B) ?

Is there any prospect of a replacement for Day?
Someone needs to make decisions , ... I don't understand how you can not have a chief scout? .. Sounds like trying to save money l but it will cost us more in the long run,.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, the Day wasn't sacked, his position was made redundant, he will not be replaced, his role will be absorbed by others or simply go away, after all, why do we need a head scout? Scouts go and look at certain players they can now report back to Hyypia and Burke, rather than, Day Hyypia and Burke. If you think that this gives more power to Burke and Barber, you are ignoring the fact that Hyypia is our manager. I am not sure why you think that Barber has any say in who we sign, his role is making sure we don't over spend, and that's about it regarding targets. If Hyypia calls for spending on players using money we don't have, Barber will do his job and say no. Saying no or yes doesn't mean that Barber has an opinion on a player's skill sets, it simply means that we either have the funds or we don't. I would place a huge bet that if, Burke, Jones and Barber had no say at all in who we sign, if it was all down to Sami, your next comment would be, 'how can he build a squad, he knows nothing about our division or this particular market.' Your glass will never be half full Mark.[/p][/quote]So who actually goes and sees these players before spending 1m on wages? That's assuming they earn 10k a week... Do you have any idea how scouting works? As I understand it, the club had 11 scouts working for Day, those scouts have people mentioning players , youth players etc every week, over a month those scouts will select maybe half a dozen , day would then watch or ask a contact to watch .. If then player was favourable Day would watch 3-4 times .. Someone has to organise this and make the decision on the ground, not in a office.. If a player is then available contact is made. Someone has to make a decision on players every week , that is a skill and a full time job.[/p][/quote]So you're saying we no longer have a scouting system just a couple of desk jockeys (B&B) ? Is there any prospect of a replacement for Day?[/p][/quote]Someone needs to make decisions , ... I don't understand how you can not have a chief scout? .. Sounds like trying to save money l but it will cost us more in the long run,. mark by the sea
  • Score: -6

10:33pm Mon 9 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Is there any evidence that the scouting system that was in place has had any more success than than anyone with a pencil and paper, and access to Wikipedia could have had?
Is there any evidence that the scouting system that was in place has had any more success than than anyone with a pencil and paper, and access to Wikipedia could have had? gordongull
  • Score: -1

10:38pm Mon 9 Jun 14

pte says...

mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, the Day wasn't sacked, his position was made redundant, he will not be replaced, his role will be absorbed by others or simply go away, after all, why do we need a head scout?

Scouts go and look at certain players they can now report back to Hyypia and Burke, rather than, Day Hyypia and Burke. If you think that this gives more power to Burke and Barber, you are ignoring the fact that Hyypia is our manager. I am not sure why you think that Barber has any say in who we sign, his role is making sure we don't over spend, and that's about it regarding targets. If Hyypia calls for spending on players using money we don't have, Barber will do his job and say no. Saying no or yes doesn't mean that Barber has an opinion on a player's skill sets, it simply means that we either have the funds or we don't.

I would place a huge bet that if, Burke, Jones and Barber had no say at all in who we sign, if it was all down to Sami, your next comment would be, 'how can he build a squad, he knows nothing about our division or this particular market.'

Your glass will never be half full Mark.
So who actually goes and sees these players before spending 1m on wages?
That's assuming they earn 10k a week...
Do you have any idea how scouting works?
As I understand it, the club had 11 scouts working for Day, those scouts have people mentioning players , youth players etc every week, over a month those scouts will select maybe half a dozen , day would then watch or ask a contact to watch .. If then player was favourable Day would watch 3-4 times ..
Someone has to organise this and make the decision on the ground, not in a office.. If a player is then available contact is made.
Someone has to make a decision on players every week , that is a skill and a full time job.
So you're saying we no longer have a scouting system just a couple of desk jockeys (B&B) ?

Is there any prospect of a replacement for Day?
Someone needs to make decisions , ... I don't understand how you can not have a chief scout? .. Sounds like trying to save money l but it will cost us more in the long run,.
Did Day and his scouts come up with Obika and Augustin or is there a two tier player acquisition process going on with the scouts advice being ignored were deemed convenient by the powers that be.

Removing your scouting system only makes sense if you intend to build a new one now that we have a new manager

We went after some pretty decent players last season so identification wasn't generally deficient. What was deficient was coming up with the funds to secure our targets
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, the Day wasn't sacked, his position was made redundant, he will not be replaced, his role will be absorbed by others or simply go away, after all, why do we need a head scout? Scouts go and look at certain players they can now report back to Hyypia and Burke, rather than, Day Hyypia and Burke. If you think that this gives more power to Burke and Barber, you are ignoring the fact that Hyypia is our manager. I am not sure why you think that Barber has any say in who we sign, his role is making sure we don't over spend, and that's about it regarding targets. If Hyypia calls for spending on players using money we don't have, Barber will do his job and say no. Saying no or yes doesn't mean that Barber has an opinion on a player's skill sets, it simply means that we either have the funds or we don't. I would place a huge bet that if, Burke, Jones and Barber had no say at all in who we sign, if it was all down to Sami, your next comment would be, 'how can he build a squad, he knows nothing about our division or this particular market.' Your glass will never be half full Mark.[/p][/quote]So who actually goes and sees these players before spending 1m on wages? That's assuming they earn 10k a week... Do you have any idea how scouting works? As I understand it, the club had 11 scouts working for Day, those scouts have people mentioning players , youth players etc every week, over a month those scouts will select maybe half a dozen , day would then watch or ask a contact to watch .. If then player was favourable Day would watch 3-4 times .. Someone has to organise this and make the decision on the ground, not in a office.. If a player is then available contact is made. Someone has to make a decision on players every week , that is a skill and a full time job.[/p][/quote]So you're saying we no longer have a scouting system just a couple of desk jockeys (B&B) ? Is there any prospect of a replacement for Day?[/p][/quote]Someone needs to make decisions , ... I don't understand how you can not have a chief scout? .. Sounds like trying to save money l but it will cost us more in the long run,.[/p][/quote]Did Day and his scouts come up with Obika and Augustin or is there a two tier player acquisition process going on with the scouts advice being ignored were deemed convenient by the powers that be. Removing your scouting system only makes sense if you intend to build a new one now that we have a new manager We went after some pretty decent players last season so identification wasn't generally deficient. What was deficient was coming up with the funds to secure our targets pte
  • Score: 4

10:47pm Mon 9 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, the Day wasn't sacked, his position was made redundant, he will not be replaced, his role will be absorbed by others or simply go away, after all, why do we need a head scout?

Scouts go and look at certain players they can now report back to Hyypia and Burke, rather than, Day Hyypia and Burke. If you think that this gives more power to Burke and Barber, you are ignoring the fact that Hyypia is our manager. I am not sure why you think that Barber has any say in who we sign, his role is making sure we don't over spend, and that's about it regarding targets. If Hyypia calls for spending on players using money we don't have, Barber will do his job and say no. Saying no or yes doesn't mean that Barber has an opinion on a player's skill sets, it simply means that we either have the funds or we don't.

I would place a huge bet that if, Burke, Jones and Barber had no say at all in who we sign, if it was all down to Sami, your next comment would be, 'how can he build a squad, he knows nothing about our division or this particular market.'

Your glass will never be half full Mark.
So who actually goes and sees these players before spending 1m on wages?
That's assuming they earn 10k a week...
Do you have any idea how scouting works?
As I understand it, the club had 11 scouts working for Day, those scouts have people mentioning players , youth players etc every week, over a month those scouts will select maybe half a dozen , day would then watch or ask a contact to watch .. If then player was favourable Day would watch 3-4 times ..
Someone has to organise this and make the decision on the ground, not in a office.. If a player is then available contact is made.
Someone has to make a decision on players every week , that is a skill and a full time job.
So you're saying we no longer have a scouting system just a couple of desk jockeys (B&B) ?

Is there any prospect of a replacement for Day?
Someone needs to make decisions , ... I don't understand how you can not have a chief scout? .. Sounds like trying to save money l but it will cost us more in the long run,.
As I said Mark, the club would not have made the job redundant if they did not have a plan, remeber it's not the person that gets made redundant, it's the position.
Just a thought, it is possible that once our new facility is up and running, we might well get young players offered to us rather than us having to scour the country looking. Now I am not saying that we won't be on the look out, of course we will, but the scouts will report to someone and someone will take what ever steps are needed.
When the player that might interest us is already with a club, Hyypia might well send a coach to take a look, after that report comes back maybe Jones goes then his assistant manager might then go and lastly Hyypia for the final verdict, when possible to go that is. Where is the problem Mark?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, the Day wasn't sacked, his position was made redundant, he will not be replaced, his role will be absorbed by others or simply go away, after all, why do we need a head scout? Scouts go and look at certain players they can now report back to Hyypia and Burke, rather than, Day Hyypia and Burke. If you think that this gives more power to Burke and Barber, you are ignoring the fact that Hyypia is our manager. I am not sure why you think that Barber has any say in who we sign, his role is making sure we don't over spend, and that's about it regarding targets. If Hyypia calls for spending on players using money we don't have, Barber will do his job and say no. Saying no or yes doesn't mean that Barber has an opinion on a player's skill sets, it simply means that we either have the funds or we don't. I would place a huge bet that if, Burke, Jones and Barber had no say at all in who we sign, if it was all down to Sami, your next comment would be, 'how can he build a squad, he knows nothing about our division or this particular market.' Your glass will never be half full Mark.[/p][/quote]So who actually goes and sees these players before spending 1m on wages? That's assuming they earn 10k a week... Do you have any idea how scouting works? As I understand it, the club had 11 scouts working for Day, those scouts have people mentioning players , youth players etc every week, over a month those scouts will select maybe half a dozen , day would then watch or ask a contact to watch .. If then player was favourable Day would watch 3-4 times .. Someone has to organise this and make the decision on the ground, not in a office.. If a player is then available contact is made. Someone has to make a decision on players every week , that is a skill and a full time job.[/p][/quote]So you're saying we no longer have a scouting system just a couple of desk jockeys (B&B) ? Is there any prospect of a replacement for Day?[/p][/quote]Someone needs to make decisions , ... I don't understand how you can not have a chief scout? .. Sounds like trying to save money l but it will cost us more in the long run,.[/p][/quote]As I said Mark, the club would not have made the job redundant if they did not have a plan, remeber it's not the person that gets made redundant, it's the position. Just a thought, it is possible that once our new facility is up and running, we might well get young players offered to us rather than us having to scour the country looking. Now I am not saying that we won't be on the look out, of course we will, but the scouts will report to someone and someone will take what ever steps are needed. When the player that might interest us is already with a club, Hyypia might well send a coach to take a look, after that report comes back maybe Jones goes then his assistant manager might then go and lastly Hyypia for the final verdict, when possible to go that is. Where is the problem Mark? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

10:49pm Mon 9 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Not excited by the appointment if I'm honest.
Wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be another 1 season wonder.
based on what?
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Not excited by the appointment if I'm honest. Wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be another 1 season wonder.[/p][/quote]based on what? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 8

10:59pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Vince says...

the taffster wrote:
I can't see how or why hypia would have got the job before Mackay,hughton or Clarke...?all who have taken clubs up from the c,ship......why employ a rookie manager?the only reason I can see is Tony bloom doesn't want promotion yet...Mackay knows that league inside out and has the contacts.'..just another season of consolidation again then'.
I am delighted we haven't gone for Malky, Hughton or Clarke. Malky in particular has a big ego and would have soon fallen out with the club management. Hughton always seems to have a worried, hang-dog expression on his face, and doesn't seem to handle pressure well. Not too sure about Clarke though.
All the above are Premiership failures. Hughton spent (wasted) a lot of money on failures like Wolf'swinkle and Malky purchases didn't remotely look like saving Cardiff. WBA were pretty dismal and lucky that Fulham, Norwich and Cardiff were even worse.

Too many posters seem paranoid about all the supposed devious goings on and power struggles at the club. I think Tony Bloom is a guy with the best interests of the club at heart - and will not stand for disunity or inflated ego's. As the supremo he can state just how much say in things that Hyypia will have. Why all the paranoia guys? (MBTS in particular!)

We were never going to satisfy Gus's ambitions quickly enough for him. He was too impatient, and only interested in his own CV.
It might sound a bit Irish, but Oscar was a successful failure!
Hyypia will bring something else to the club - and if it doesn't work out, i'm sure we will be richer for the experience. All the time the club are getting stronger and stronger and so far each manager/coach has helped us move forward in some way. For example Oscar must take a lot of credit for developing Rohan Ince and Solly March. Gus clearly played a big part in getting us to where we are - his only major faux pas was under-rating Glenn Murray. He also got us playing possession football - and attracted players like Bridcutt and Ulloa to the club.

Lets hope that Sami introduces a more English attacking style of play - whilst not abandoning our style of play, and that he attracts some high calibre players through his contacts with Liverpool and the German Bundesliga - as well as his own countrymen.
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: I can't see how or why hypia would have got the job before Mackay,hughton or Clarke...?all who have taken clubs up from the c,ship......why employ a rookie manager?the only reason I can see is Tony bloom doesn't want promotion yet...Mackay knows that league inside out and has the contacts.'..just another season of consolidation again then'.[/p][/quote]I am delighted we haven't gone for Malky, Hughton or Clarke. Malky in particular has a big ego and would have soon fallen out with the club management. Hughton always seems to have a worried, hang-dog expression on his face, and doesn't seem to handle pressure well. Not too sure about Clarke though. All the above are Premiership failures. Hughton spent (wasted) a lot of money on failures like Wolf'swinkle and Malky purchases didn't remotely look like saving Cardiff. WBA were pretty dismal and lucky that Fulham, Norwich and Cardiff were even worse. Too many posters seem paranoid about all the supposed devious goings on and power struggles at the club. I think Tony Bloom is a guy with the best interests of the club at heart - and will not stand for disunity or inflated ego's. As the supremo he can state just how much say in things that Hyypia will have. Why all the paranoia guys? (MBTS in particular!) We were never going to satisfy Gus's ambitions quickly enough for him. He was too impatient, and only interested in his own CV. It might sound a bit Irish, but Oscar was a successful failure! Hyypia will bring something else to the club - and if it doesn't work out, i'm sure we will be richer for the experience. All the time the club are getting stronger and stronger and so far each manager/coach has helped us move forward in some way. For example Oscar must take a lot of credit for developing Rohan Ince and Solly March. Gus clearly played a big part in getting us to where we are - his only major faux pas was under-rating Glenn Murray. He also got us playing possession football - and attracted players like Bridcutt and Ulloa to the club. Lets hope that Sami introduces a more English attacking style of play - whilst not abandoning our style of play, and that he attracts some high calibre players through his contacts with Liverpool and the German Bundesliga - as well as his own countrymen. Vince
  • Score: 8

10:59pm Mon 9 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, the Day wasn't sacked, his position was made redundant, he will not be replaced, his role will be absorbed by others or simply go away, after all, why do we need a head scout?

Scouts go and look at certain players they can now report back to Hyypia and Burke, rather than, Day Hyypia and Burke. If you think that this gives more power to Burke and Barber, you are ignoring the fact that Hyypia is our manager. I am not sure why you think that Barber has any say in who we sign, his role is making sure we don't over spend, and that's about it regarding targets. If Hyypia calls for spending on players using money we don't have, Barber will do his job and say no. Saying no or yes doesn't mean that Barber has an opinion on a player's skill sets, it simply means that we either have the funds or we don't.

I would place a huge bet that if, Burke, Jones and Barber had no say at all in who we sign, if it was all down to Sami, your next comment would be, 'how can he build a squad, he knows nothing about our division or this particular market.'

Your glass will never be half full Mark.
So who actually goes and sees these players before spending 1m on wages?
That's assuming they earn 10k a week...
Do you have any idea how scouting works?
As I understand it, the club had 11 scouts working for Day, those scouts have people mentioning players , youth players etc every week, over a month those scouts will select maybe half a dozen , day would then watch or ask a contact to watch .. If then player was favourable Day would watch 3-4 times ..
Someone has to organise this and make the decision on the ground, not in a office.. If a player is then available contact is made.
Someone has to make a decision on players every week , that is a skill and a full time job.
So you're saying we no longer have a scouting system just a couple of desk jockeys (B&B) ?

Is there any prospect of a replacement for Day?
Someone needs to make decisions , ... I don't understand how you can not have a chief scout? .. Sounds like trying to save money l but it will cost us more in the long run,.
As I said Mark, the club would not have made the job redundant if they did not have a plan, remeber it's not the person that gets made redundant, it's the position.
Just a thought, it is possible that once our new facility is up and running, we might well get young players offered to us rather than us having to scour the country looking. Now I am not saying that we won't be on the look out, of course we will, but the scouts will report to someone and someone will take what ever steps are needed.
When the player that might interest us is already with a club, Hyypia might well send a coach to take a look, after that report comes back maybe Jones goes then his assistant manager might then go and lastly Hyypia for the final verdict, when possible to go that is. Where is the problem Mark?
They don't watch a player once ! It takes weeks
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, the Day wasn't sacked, his position was made redundant, he will not be replaced, his role will be absorbed by others or simply go away, after all, why do we need a head scout? Scouts go and look at certain players they can now report back to Hyypia and Burke, rather than, Day Hyypia and Burke. If you think that this gives more power to Burke and Barber, you are ignoring the fact that Hyypia is our manager. I am not sure why you think that Barber has any say in who we sign, his role is making sure we don't over spend, and that's about it regarding targets. If Hyypia calls for spending on players using money we don't have, Barber will do his job and say no. Saying no or yes doesn't mean that Barber has an opinion on a player's skill sets, it simply means that we either have the funds or we don't. I would place a huge bet that if, Burke, Jones and Barber had no say at all in who we sign, if it was all down to Sami, your next comment would be, 'how can he build a squad, he knows nothing about our division or this particular market.' Your glass will never be half full Mark.[/p][/quote]So who actually goes and sees these players before spending 1m on wages? That's assuming they earn 10k a week... Do you have any idea how scouting works? As I understand it, the club had 11 scouts working for Day, those scouts have people mentioning players , youth players etc every week, over a month those scouts will select maybe half a dozen , day would then watch or ask a contact to watch .. If then player was favourable Day would watch 3-4 times .. Someone has to organise this and make the decision on the ground, not in a office.. If a player is then available contact is made. Someone has to make a decision on players every week , that is a skill and a full time job.[/p][/quote]So you're saying we no longer have a scouting system just a couple of desk jockeys (B&B) ? Is there any prospect of a replacement for Day?[/p][/quote]Someone needs to make decisions , ... I don't understand how you can not have a chief scout? .. Sounds like trying to save money l but it will cost us more in the long run,.[/p][/quote]As I said Mark, the club would not have made the job redundant if they did not have a plan, remeber it's not the person that gets made redundant, it's the position. Just a thought, it is possible that once our new facility is up and running, we might well get young players offered to us rather than us having to scour the country looking. Now I am not saying that we won't be on the look out, of course we will, but the scouts will report to someone and someone will take what ever steps are needed. When the player that might interest us is already with a club, Hyypia might well send a coach to take a look, after that report comes back maybe Jones goes then his assistant manager might then go and lastly Hyypia for the final verdict, when possible to go that is. Where is the problem Mark?[/p][/quote]They don't watch a player once ! It takes weeks mark by the sea
  • Score: -4

11:07pm Mon 9 Jun 14

OldGull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, the Day wasn't sacked, his position was made redundant, he will not be replaced, his role will be absorbed by others or simply go away, after all, why do we need a head scout?

Scouts go and look at certain players they can now report back to Hyypia and Burke, rather than, Day Hyypia and Burke. If you think that this gives more power to Burke and Barber, you are ignoring the fact that Hyypia is our manager. I am not sure why you think that Barber has any say in who we sign, his role is making sure we don't over spend, and that's about it regarding targets. If Hyypia calls for spending on players using money we don't have, Barber will do his job and say no. Saying no or yes doesn't mean that Barber has an opinion on a player's skill sets, it simply means that we either have the funds or we don't.

I would place a huge bet that if, Burke, Jones and Barber had no say at all in who we sign, if it was all down to Sami, your next comment would be, 'how can he build a squad, he knows nothing about our division or this particular market.'

Your glass will never be half full Mark.
So who actually goes and sees these players before spending 1m on wages?
That's assuming they earn 10k a week...
Do you have any idea how scouting works?
As I understand it, the club had 11 scouts working for Day, those scouts have people mentioning players , youth players etc every week, over a month those scouts will select maybe half a dozen , day would then watch or ask a contact to watch .. If then player was favourable Day would watch 3-4 times ..
Someone has to organise this and make the decision on the ground, not in a office.. If a player is then available contact is made.
Someone has to make a decision on players every week , that is a skill and a full time job.
So you became a fan of Mervyn the day he got sacked.
Not because you rated him, but because it gives more fuel to bash Barber, Burke & Jones.
All of whom are employed by TB.

Why not accept that Sammi has taken on the job, and has a say in who should be signed.
He spent most of his career playing in the prem and the last few years in the Bundesliga.
I think he may have more of a clue than you are prepared to give him credit for.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, the Day wasn't sacked, his position was made redundant, he will not be replaced, his role will be absorbed by others or simply go away, after all, why do we need a head scout? Scouts go and look at certain players they can now report back to Hyypia and Burke, rather than, Day Hyypia and Burke. If you think that this gives more power to Burke and Barber, you are ignoring the fact that Hyypia is our manager. I am not sure why you think that Barber has any say in who we sign, his role is making sure we don't over spend, and that's about it regarding targets. If Hyypia calls for spending on players using money we don't have, Barber will do his job and say no. Saying no or yes doesn't mean that Barber has an opinion on a player's skill sets, it simply means that we either have the funds or we don't. I would place a huge bet that if, Burke, Jones and Barber had no say at all in who we sign, if it was all down to Sami, your next comment would be, 'how can he build a squad, he knows nothing about our division or this particular market.' Your glass will never be half full Mark.[/p][/quote]So who actually goes and sees these players before spending 1m on wages? That's assuming they earn 10k a week... Do you have any idea how scouting works? As I understand it, the club had 11 scouts working for Day, those scouts have people mentioning players , youth players etc every week, over a month those scouts will select maybe half a dozen , day would then watch or ask a contact to watch .. If then player was favourable Day would watch 3-4 times .. Someone has to organise this and make the decision on the ground, not in a office.. If a player is then available contact is made. Someone has to make a decision on players every week , that is a skill and a full time job.[/p][/quote]So you became a fan of Mervyn the day he got sacked. Not because you rated him, but because it gives more fuel to bash Barber, Burke & Jones. All of whom are employed by TB. Why not accept that Sammi has taken on the job, and has a say in who should be signed. He spent most of his career playing in the prem and the last few years in the Bundesliga. I think he may have more of a clue than you are prepared to give him credit for. OldGull
  • Score: 8

11:11pm Mon 9 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, the Day wasn't sacked, his position was made redundant, he will not be replaced, his role will be absorbed by others or simply go away, after all, why do we need a head scout?

Scouts go and look at certain players they can now report back to Hyypia and Burke, rather than, Day Hyypia and Burke. If you think that this gives more power to Burke and Barber, you are ignoring the fact that Hyypia is our manager. I am not sure why you think that Barber has any say in who we sign, his role is making sure we don't over spend, and that's about it regarding targets. If Hyypia calls for spending on players using money we don't have, Barber will do his job and say no. Saying no or yes doesn't mean that Barber has an opinion on a player's skill sets, it simply means that we either have the funds or we don't.

I would place a huge bet that if, Burke, Jones and Barber had no say at all in who we sign, if it was all down to Sami, your next comment would be, 'how can he build a squad, he knows nothing about our division or this particular market.'

Your glass will never be half full Mark.
So who actually goes and sees these players before spending 1m on wages?
That's assuming they earn 10k a week...
Do you have any idea how scouting works?
As I understand it, the club had 11 scouts working for Day, those scouts have people mentioning players , youth players etc every week, over a month those scouts will select maybe half a dozen , day would then watch or ask a contact to watch .. If then player was favourable Day would watch 3-4 times ..
Someone has to organise this and make the decision on the ground, not in a office.. If a player is then available contact is made.
Someone has to make a decision on players every week , that is a skill and a full time job.
So you're saying we no longer have a scouting system just a couple of desk jockeys (B&B) ?

Is there any prospect of a replacement for Day?
Someone needs to make decisions , ... I don't understand how you can not have a chief scout? .. Sounds like trying to save money l but it will cost us more in the long run,.
As I said Mark, the club would not have made the job redundant if they did not have a plan, remeber it's not the person that gets made redundant, it's the position.
Just a thought, it is possible that once our new facility is up and running, we might well get young players offered to us rather than us having to scour the country looking. Now I am not saying that we won't be on the look out, of course we will, but the scouts will report to someone and someone will take what ever steps are needed.
When the player that might interest us is already with a club, Hyypia might well send a coach to take a look, after that report comes back maybe Jones goes then his assistant manager might then go and lastly Hyypia for the final verdict, when possible to go that is. Where is the problem Mark?
They don't watch a player once ! It takes weeks
did you not notice that I listed a number of times a player might be looked at, and each time by a different person?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, the Day wasn't sacked, his position was made redundant, he will not be replaced, his role will be absorbed by others or simply go away, after all, why do we need a head scout? Scouts go and look at certain players they can now report back to Hyypia and Burke, rather than, Day Hyypia and Burke. If you think that this gives more power to Burke and Barber, you are ignoring the fact that Hyypia is our manager. I am not sure why you think that Barber has any say in who we sign, his role is making sure we don't over spend, and that's about it regarding targets. If Hyypia calls for spending on players using money we don't have, Barber will do his job and say no. Saying no or yes doesn't mean that Barber has an opinion on a player's skill sets, it simply means that we either have the funds or we don't. I would place a huge bet that if, Burke, Jones and Barber had no say at all in who we sign, if it was all down to Sami, your next comment would be, 'how can he build a squad, he knows nothing about our division or this particular market.' Your glass will never be half full Mark.[/p][/quote]So who actually goes and sees these players before spending 1m on wages? That's assuming they earn 10k a week... Do you have any idea how scouting works? As I understand it, the club had 11 scouts working for Day, those scouts have people mentioning players , youth players etc every week, over a month those scouts will select maybe half a dozen , day would then watch or ask a contact to watch .. If then player was favourable Day would watch 3-4 times .. Someone has to organise this and make the decision on the ground, not in a office.. If a player is then available contact is made. Someone has to make a decision on players every week , that is a skill and a full time job.[/p][/quote]So you're saying we no longer have a scouting system just a couple of desk jockeys (B&B) ? Is there any prospect of a replacement for Day?[/p][/quote]Someone needs to make decisions , ... I don't understand how you can not have a chief scout? .. Sounds like trying to save money l but it will cost us more in the long run,.[/p][/quote]As I said Mark, the club would not have made the job redundant if they did not have a plan, remeber it's not the person that gets made redundant, it's the position. Just a thought, it is possible that once our new facility is up and running, we might well get young players offered to us rather than us having to scour the country looking. Now I am not saying that we won't be on the look out, of course we will, but the scouts will report to someone and someone will take what ever steps are needed. When the player that might interest us is already with a club, Hyypia might well send a coach to take a look, after that report comes back maybe Jones goes then his assistant manager might then go and lastly Hyypia for the final verdict, when possible to go that is. Where is the problem Mark?[/p][/quote]They don't watch a player once ! It takes weeks[/p][/quote]did you not notice that I listed a number of times a player might be looked at, and each time by a different person? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 6

11:20pm Mon 9 Jun 14

AlfieT says...

Vince wrote:
the taffster wrote:
I can't see how or why hypia would have got the job before Mackay,hughton or Clarke...?all who have taken clubs up from the c,ship......why employ a rookie manager?the only reason I can see is Tony bloom doesn't want promotion yet...Mackay knows that league inside out and has the contacts.'..just another season of consolidation again then'.
I am delighted we haven't gone for Malky, Hughton or Clarke. Malky in particular has a big ego and would have soon fallen out with the club management. Hughton always seems to have a worried, hang-dog expression on his face, and doesn't seem to handle pressure well. Not too sure about Clarke though.
All the above are Premiership failures. Hughton spent (wasted) a lot of money on failures like Wolf'swinkle and Malky purchases didn't remotely look like saving Cardiff. WBA were pretty dismal and lucky that Fulham, Norwich and Cardiff were even worse.

Too many posters seem paranoid about all the supposed devious goings on and power struggles at the club. I think Tony Bloom is a guy with the best interests of the club at heart - and will not stand for disunity or inflated ego's. As the supremo he can state just how much say in things that Hyypia will have. Why all the paranoia guys? (MBTS in particular!)

We were never going to satisfy Gus's ambitions quickly enough for him. He was too impatient, and only interested in his own CV.
It might sound a bit Irish, but Oscar was a successful failure!
Hyypia will bring something else to the club - and if it doesn't work out, i'm sure we will be richer for the experience. All the time the club are getting stronger and stronger and so far each manager/coach has helped us move forward in some way. For example Oscar must take a lot of credit for developing Rohan Ince and Solly March. Gus clearly played a big part in getting us to where we are - his only major faux pas was under-rating Glenn Murray. He also got us playing possession football - and attracted players like Bridcutt and Ulloa to the club.

Lets hope that Sami introduces a more English attacking style of play - whilst not abandoning our style of play, and that he attracts some high calibre players through his contacts with Liverpool and the German Bundesliga - as well as his own countrymen.
At last, a post worth reading, thanks Vince.
[quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: I can't see how or why hypia would have got the job before Mackay,hughton or Clarke...?all who have taken clubs up from the c,ship......why employ a rookie manager?the only reason I can see is Tony bloom doesn't want promotion yet...Mackay knows that league inside out and has the contacts.'..just another season of consolidation again then'.[/p][/quote]I am delighted we haven't gone for Malky, Hughton or Clarke. Malky in particular has a big ego and would have soon fallen out with the club management. Hughton always seems to have a worried, hang-dog expression on his face, and doesn't seem to handle pressure well. Not too sure about Clarke though. All the above are Premiership failures. Hughton spent (wasted) a lot of money on failures like Wolf'swinkle and Malky purchases didn't remotely look like saving Cardiff. WBA were pretty dismal and lucky that Fulham, Norwich and Cardiff were even worse. Too many posters seem paranoid about all the supposed devious goings on and power struggles at the club. I think Tony Bloom is a guy with the best interests of the club at heart - and will not stand for disunity or inflated ego's. As the supremo he can state just how much say in things that Hyypia will have. Why all the paranoia guys? (MBTS in particular!) We were never going to satisfy Gus's ambitions quickly enough for him. He was too impatient, and only interested in his own CV. It might sound a bit Irish, but Oscar was a successful failure! Hyypia will bring something else to the club - and if it doesn't work out, i'm sure we will be richer for the experience. All the time the club are getting stronger and stronger and so far each manager/coach has helped us move forward in some way. For example Oscar must take a lot of credit for developing Rohan Ince and Solly March. Gus clearly played a big part in getting us to where we are - his only major faux pas was under-rating Glenn Murray. He also got us playing possession football - and attracted players like Bridcutt and Ulloa to the club. Lets hope that Sami introduces a more English attacking style of play - whilst not abandoning our style of play, and that he attracts some high calibre players through his contacts with Liverpool and the German Bundesliga - as well as his own countrymen.[/p][/quote]At last, a post worth reading, thanks Vince. AlfieT
  • Score: 2

12:04am Tue 10 Jun 14

Vince says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote: Mark, the Day wasn't sacked, his position was made redundant, he will not be replaced, his role will be absorbed by others or simply go away, after all, why do we need a head scout? Scouts go and look at certain players they can now report back to Hyypia and Burke, rather than, Day Hyypia and Burke. If you think that this gives more power to Burke and Barber, you are ignoring the fact that Hyypia is our manager. I am not sure why you think that Barber has any say in who we sign, his role is making sure we don't over spend, and that's about it regarding targets. If Hyypia calls for spending on players using money we don't have, Barber will do his job and say no. Saying no or yes doesn't mean that Barber has an opinion on a player's skill sets, it simply means that we either have the funds or we don't. I would place a huge bet that if, Burke, Jones and Barber had no say at all in who we sign, if it was all down to Sami, your next comment would be, 'how can he build a squad, he knows nothing about our division or this particular market.' Your glass will never be half full Mark.
So who actually goes and sees these players before spending 1m on wages? That's assuming they earn 10k a week... Do you have any idea how scouting works? As I understand it, the club had 11 scouts working for Day, those scouts have people mentioning players , youth players etc every week, over a month those scouts will select maybe half a dozen , day would then watch or ask a contact to watch .. If then player was favourable Day would watch 3-4 times .. Someone has to organise this and make the decision on the ground, not in a office.. If a player is then available contact is made. Someone has to make a decision on players every week , that is a skill and a full time job.
So you're saying we no longer have a scouting system just a couple of desk jockeys (B&B) ? Is there any prospect of a replacement for Day?
Someone needs to make decisions , ... I don't understand how you can not have a chief scout? .. Sounds like trying to save money l but it will cost us more in the long run,.
As I said Mark, the club would not have made the job redundant if they did not have a plan, remeber it's not the person that gets made redundant, it's the position. Just a thought, it is possible that once our new facility is up and running, we might well get young players offered to us rather than us having to scour the country looking. Now I am not saying that we won't be on the look out, of course we will, but the scouts will report to someone and someone will take what ever steps are needed. When the player that might interest us is already with a club, Hyypia might well send a coach to take a look, after that report comes back maybe Jones goes then his assistant manager might then go and lastly Hyypia for the final verdict, when possible to go that is. Where is the problem Mark?
They don't watch a player once ! It takes weeks
did you not notice that I listed a number of times a player might be looked at, and each time by a different person?
You don't always need to see a player several times. They've either got it or they haven't! You can often see from the first touch, his control, the way he reads the game, and if he knows the precise moment when to pass, his body shape when he shoots, his hunger etc whether he has got it or not! Far too many players haven't a clue how to shoot and keep the ball down. I see plenty of those in the Premiership.

2 Strikers I saw for the very first time and rated highly (when they complete unknowns) went on to big things! I saw Brian Deane aged 19 playing for Doncaster when they were bottom of Division 4 - and I said we should buy him quickly. Steve Bull was another and he later became a household name with Wolves.

You should usually be able to assess a player the first game you see him. Not many players we have purchased recently have excited me - like Vicente did briefly 2 years ago (although his shooting was mediocre), like Buckley (again his shooting lacks composure and his hamstrings are a problem). Kaz has great potential, power and speed and good control, but he lacks composure, and cannot weight his passes or shots accurately. He could still develop. Orlandi had skill but was abysmal at shooting. Crofts is the best striker of a ball we have, but unfortunately his injury was a big loss. We don't have any players with vision or creativity. Agustien is probably the most creative - the first time I saw him against Barnsley he oozed class, but his attitude and fitness are obviously a problem.
We should have held onto Conway. Why did we let Blackburn take him?

Our loan signings were appalling. The one player who had class, Lita, wasn't given a chance.

I'm sure there are some good young players like Vardy (who Leicester snapped up from Fleetwood) in the lower leagues - you just need someone to spot the potential and go for it!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, the Day wasn't sacked, his position was made redundant, he will not be replaced, his role will be absorbed by others or simply go away, after all, why do we need a head scout? Scouts go and look at certain players they can now report back to Hyypia and Burke, rather than, Day Hyypia and Burke. If you think that this gives more power to Burke and Barber, you are ignoring the fact that Hyypia is our manager. I am not sure why you think that Barber has any say in who we sign, his role is making sure we don't over spend, and that's about it regarding targets. If Hyypia calls for spending on players using money we don't have, Barber will do his job and say no. Saying no or yes doesn't mean that Barber has an opinion on a player's skill sets, it simply means that we either have the funds or we don't. I would place a huge bet that if, Burke, Jones and Barber had no say at all in who we sign, if it was all down to Sami, your next comment would be, 'how can he build a squad, he knows nothing about our division or this particular market.' Your glass will never be half full Mark.[/p][/quote]So who actually goes and sees these players before spending 1m on wages? That's assuming they earn 10k a week... Do you have any idea how scouting works? As I understand it, the club had 11 scouts working for Day, those scouts have people mentioning players , youth players etc every week, over a month those scouts will select maybe half a dozen , day would then watch or ask a contact to watch .. If then player was favourable Day would watch 3-4 times .. Someone has to organise this and make the decision on the ground, not in a office.. If a player is then available contact is made. Someone has to make a decision on players every week , that is a skill and a full time job.[/p][/quote]So you're saying we no longer have a scouting system just a couple of desk jockeys (B&B) ? Is there any prospect of a replacement for Day?[/p][/quote]Someone needs to make decisions , ... I don't understand how you can not have a chief scout? .. Sounds like trying to save money l but it will cost us more in the long run,.[/p][/quote]As I said Mark, the club would not have made the job redundant if they did not have a plan, remeber it's not the person that gets made redundant, it's the position. Just a thought, it is possible that once our new facility is up and running, we might well get young players offered to us rather than us having to scour the country looking. Now I am not saying that we won't be on the look out, of course we will, but the scouts will report to someone and someone will take what ever steps are needed. When the player that might interest us is already with a club, Hyypia might well send a coach to take a look, after that report comes back maybe Jones goes then his assistant manager might then go and lastly Hyypia for the final verdict, when possible to go that is. Where is the problem Mark?[/p][/quote]They don't watch a player once ! It takes weeks[/p][/quote]did you not notice that I listed a number of times a player might be looked at, and each time by a different person?[/p][/quote]You don't always need to see a player several times. They've either got it or they haven't! You can often see from the first touch, his control, the way he reads the game, and if he knows the precise moment when to pass, his body shape when he shoots, his hunger etc whether he has got it or not! Far too many players haven't a clue how to shoot and keep the ball down. I see plenty of those in the Premiership. 2 Strikers I saw for the very first time and rated highly (when they complete unknowns) went on to big things! I saw Brian Deane aged 19 playing for Doncaster when they were bottom of Division 4 - and I said we should buy him quickly. Steve Bull was another and he later became a household name with Wolves. You should usually be able to assess a player the first game you see him. Not many players we have purchased recently have excited me - like Vicente did briefly 2 years ago (although his shooting was mediocre), like Buckley (again his shooting lacks composure and his hamstrings are a problem). Kaz has great potential, power and speed and good control, but he lacks composure, and cannot weight his passes or shots accurately. He could still develop. Orlandi had skill but was abysmal at shooting. Crofts is the best striker of a ball we have, but unfortunately his injury was a big loss. We don't have any players with vision or creativity. Agustien is probably the most creative - the first time I saw him against Barnsley he oozed class, but his attitude and fitness are obviously a problem. We should have held onto Conway. Why did we let Blackburn take him? Our loan signings were appalling. The one player who had class, Lita, wasn't given a chance. I'm sure there are some good young players like Vardy (who Leicester snapped up from Fleetwood) in the lower leagues - you just need someone to spot the potential and go for it! Vince
  • Score: 4

12:08am Tue 10 Jun 14

pte says...

Some of the comments intended to rebut Mark's comments miss the point and are laughable.

Pointless saying any more because we just go round in circles
Some of the comments intended to rebut Mark's comments miss the point and are laughable. Pointless saying any more because we just go round in circles pte
  • Score: 0

12:28am Tue 10 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

pte wrote:
Some of the comments intended to rebut Mark's comments miss the point and are laughable.

Pointless saying any more because we just go round in circles
nonsense, if you have a view that supports what Mark is offering then debate it, if you think that you will get the same replies then I guess your offering will only parrot what Mark has already posted.
If Mark hasn't conveyed the, 'point,' well enough to convince people of his opinions, then perhaps you could offer something by way of clarification that would take the debate further. It's not a matter of missing the point, it's a simple case of people not agreeing with what he is claiming.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: Some of the comments intended to rebut Mark's comments miss the point and are laughable. Pointless saying any more because we just go round in circles[/p][/quote]nonsense, if you have a view that supports what Mark is offering then debate it, if you think that you will get the same replies then I guess your offering will only parrot what Mark has already posted. If Mark hasn't conveyed the, 'point,' well enough to convince people of his opinions, then perhaps you could offer something by way of clarification that would take the debate further. It's not a matter of missing the point, it's a simple case of people not agreeing with what he is claiming. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

6:58am Tue 10 Jun 14

the taffster says...

AlfieT wrote:
Vince wrote:
the taffster wrote:
I can't see how or why hypia would have got the job before Mackay,hughton or Clarke...?all who have taken clubs up from the c,ship......why employ a rookie manager?the only reason I can see is Tony bloom doesn't want promotion yet...Mackay knows that league inside out and has the contacts.'..just another season of consolidation again then'.
I am delighted we haven't gone for Malky, Hughton or Clarke. Malky in particular has a big ego and would have soon fallen out with the club management. Hughton always seems to have a worried, hang-dog expression on his face, and doesn't seem to handle pressure well. Not too sure about Clarke though.
All the above are Premiership failures. Hughton spent (wasted) a lot of money on failures like Wolf'swinkle and Malky purchases didn't remotely look like saving Cardiff. WBA were pretty dismal and lucky that Fulham, Norwich and Cardiff were even worse.

Too many posters seem paranoid about all the supposed devious goings on and power struggles at the club. I think Tony Bloom is a guy with the best interests of the club at heart - and will not stand for disunity or inflated ego's. As the supremo he can state just how much say in things that Hyypia will have. Why all the paranoia guys? (MBTS in particular!)

We were never going to satisfy Gus's ambitions quickly enough for him. He was too impatient, and only interested in his own CV.
It might sound a bit Irish, but Oscar was a successful failure!
Hyypia will bring something else to the club - and if it doesn't work out, i'm sure we will be richer for the experience. All the time the club are getting stronger and stronger and so far each manager/coach has helped us move forward in some way. For example Oscar must take a lot of credit for developing Rohan Ince and Solly March. Gus clearly played a big part in getting us to where we are - his only major faux pas was under-rating Glenn Murray. He also got us playing possession football - and attracted players like Bridcutt and Ulloa to the club.

Lets hope that Sami introduces a more English attacking style of play - whilst not abandoning our style of play, and that he attracts some high calibre players through his contacts with Liverpool and the German Bundesliga - as well as his own countrymen.
At last, a post worth reading, thanks Vince.
Why say it in a few words when you can say it in a hundred Alfie....hypia. Is a rookie with limited experience... Bloom couldn't afford malkay..also he was doing OK at Cardiff before he was replaced...look what solsaeer bought to the table..?.its beating around the bush for bloom again....Employ a manager who knows what it takes to get promotion from the c,ship.... Cutting corners on probably the most important part of the club...
[quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: I can't see how or why hypia would have got the job before Mackay,hughton or Clarke...?all who have taken clubs up from the c,ship......why employ a rookie manager?the only reason I can see is Tony bloom doesn't want promotion yet...Mackay knows that league inside out and has the contacts.'..just another season of consolidation again then'.[/p][/quote]I am delighted we haven't gone for Malky, Hughton or Clarke. Malky in particular has a big ego and would have soon fallen out with the club management. Hughton always seems to have a worried, hang-dog expression on his face, and doesn't seem to handle pressure well. Not too sure about Clarke though. All the above are Premiership failures. Hughton spent (wasted) a lot of money on failures like Wolf'swinkle and Malky purchases didn't remotely look like saving Cardiff. WBA were pretty dismal and lucky that Fulham, Norwich and Cardiff were even worse. Too many posters seem paranoid about all the supposed devious goings on and power struggles at the club. I think Tony Bloom is a guy with the best interests of the club at heart - and will not stand for disunity or inflated ego's. As the supremo he can state just how much say in things that Hyypia will have. Why all the paranoia guys? (MBTS in particular!) We were never going to satisfy Gus's ambitions quickly enough for him. He was too impatient, and only interested in his own CV. It might sound a bit Irish, but Oscar was a successful failure! Hyypia will bring something else to the club - and if it doesn't work out, i'm sure we will be richer for the experience. All the time the club are getting stronger and stronger and so far each manager/coach has helped us move forward in some way. For example Oscar must take a lot of credit for developing Rohan Ince and Solly March. Gus clearly played a big part in getting us to where we are - his only major faux pas was under-rating Glenn Murray. He also got us playing possession football - and attracted players like Bridcutt and Ulloa to the club. Lets hope that Sami introduces a more English attacking style of play - whilst not abandoning our style of play, and that he attracts some high calibre players through his contacts with Liverpool and the German Bundesliga - as well as his own countrymen.[/p][/quote]At last, a post worth reading, thanks Vince.[/p][/quote]Why say it in a few words when you can say it in a hundred Alfie....hypia. Is a rookie with limited experience... Bloom couldn't afford malkay..also he was doing OK at Cardiff before he was replaced...look what solsaeer bought to the table..?.its beating around the bush for bloom again....Employ a manager who knows what it takes to get promotion from the c,ship.... Cutting corners on probably the most important part of the club... the taffster
  • Score: -2

6:59am Tue 10 Jun 14

the taffster says...

AlfieT wrote:
Vince wrote:
the taffster wrote:
I can't see how or why hypia would have got the job before Mackay,hughton or Clarke...?all who have taken clubs up from the c,ship......why employ a rookie manager?the only reason I can see is Tony bloom doesn't want promotion yet...Mackay knows that league inside out and has the contacts.'..just another season of consolidation again then'.
I am delighted we haven't gone for Malky, Hughton or Clarke. Malky in particular has a big ego and would have soon fallen out with the club management. Hughton always seems to have a worried, hang-dog expression on his face, and doesn't seem to handle pressure well. Not too sure about Clarke though.
All the above are Premiership failures. Hughton spent (wasted) a lot of money on failures like Wolf'swinkle and Malky purchases didn't remotely look like saving Cardiff. WBA were pretty dismal and lucky that Fulham, Norwich and Cardiff were even worse.

Too many posters seem paranoid about all the supposed devious goings on and power struggles at the club. I think Tony Bloom is a guy with the best interests of the club at heart - and will not stand for disunity or inflated ego's. As the supremo he can state just how much say in things that Hyypia will have. Why all the paranoia guys? (MBTS in particular!)

We were never going to satisfy Gus's ambitions quickly enough for him. He was too impatient, and only interested in his own CV.
It might sound a bit Irish, but Oscar was a successful failure!
Hyypia will bring something else to the club - and if it doesn't work out, i'm sure we will be richer for the experience. All the time the club are getting stronger and stronger and so far each manager/coach has helped us move forward in some way. For example Oscar must take a lot of credit for developing Rohan Ince and Solly March. Gus clearly played a big part in getting us to where we are - his only major faux pas was under-rating Glenn Murray. He also got us playing possession football - and attracted players like Bridcutt and Ulloa to the club.

Lets hope that Sami introduces a more English attacking style of play - whilst not abandoning our style of play, and that he attracts some high calibre players through his contacts with Liverpool and the German Bundesliga - as well as his own countrymen.
At last, a post worth reading, thanks Vince.
Why say it in a few words when you can say it in a hundred Alfie....hypia. Is a rookie with limited experience... Bloom couldn't afford malkay..also he was doing OK at Cardiff before he was replaced...look what solsaeer bought to the table..?.its beating around the bush for bloom again....Employ a manager who knows what it takes to get promotion from the c,ship.... Cutting corners on probably the most important part of the club...
[quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: I can't see how or why hypia would have got the job before Mackay,hughton or Clarke...?all who have taken clubs up from the c,ship......why employ a rookie manager?the only reason I can see is Tony bloom doesn't want promotion yet...Mackay knows that league inside out and has the contacts.'..just another season of consolidation again then'.[/p][/quote]I am delighted we haven't gone for Malky, Hughton or Clarke. Malky in particular has a big ego and would have soon fallen out with the club management. Hughton always seems to have a worried, hang-dog expression on his face, and doesn't seem to handle pressure well. Not too sure about Clarke though. All the above are Premiership failures. Hughton spent (wasted) a lot of money on failures like Wolf'swinkle and Malky purchases didn't remotely look like saving Cardiff. WBA were pretty dismal and lucky that Fulham, Norwich and Cardiff were even worse. Too many posters seem paranoid about all the supposed devious goings on and power struggles at the club. I think Tony Bloom is a guy with the best interests of the club at heart - and will not stand for disunity or inflated ego's. As the supremo he can state just how much say in things that Hyypia will have. Why all the paranoia guys? (MBTS in particular!) We were never going to satisfy Gus's ambitions quickly enough for him. He was too impatient, and only interested in his own CV. It might sound a bit Irish, but Oscar was a successful failure! Hyypia will bring something else to the club - and if it doesn't work out, i'm sure we will be richer for the experience. All the time the club are getting stronger and stronger and so far each manager/coach has helped us move forward in some way. For example Oscar must take a lot of credit for developing Rohan Ince and Solly March. Gus clearly played a big part in getting us to where we are - his only major faux pas was under-rating Glenn Murray. He also got us playing possession football - and attracted players like Bridcutt and Ulloa to the club. Lets hope that Sami introduces a more English attacking style of play - whilst not abandoning our style of play, and that he attracts some high calibre players through his contacts with Liverpool and the German Bundesliga - as well as his own countrymen.[/p][/quote]At last, a post worth reading, thanks Vince.[/p][/quote]Why say it in a few words when you can say it in a hundred Alfie....hypia. Is a rookie with limited experience... Bloom couldn't afford malkay..also he was doing OK at Cardiff before he was replaced...look what solsaeer bought to the table..?.its beating around the bush for bloom again....Employ a manager who knows what it takes to get promotion from the c,ship.... Cutting corners on probably the most important part of the club... the taffster
  • Score: -3

6:59am Tue 10 Jun 14

the taffster says...

AlfieT wrote:
Vince wrote:
the taffster wrote:
I can't see how or why hypia would have got the job before Mackay,hughton or Clarke...?all who have taken clubs up from the c,ship......why employ a rookie manager?the only reason I can see is Tony bloom doesn't want promotion yet...Mackay knows that league inside out and has the contacts.'..just another season of consolidation again then'.
I am delighted we haven't gone for Malky, Hughton or Clarke. Malky in particular has a big ego and would have soon fallen out with the club management. Hughton always seems to have a worried, hang-dog expression on his face, and doesn't seem to handle pressure well. Not too sure about Clarke though.
All the above are Premiership failures. Hughton spent (wasted) a lot of money on failures like Wolf'swinkle and Malky purchases didn't remotely look like saving Cardiff. WBA were pretty dismal and lucky that Fulham, Norwich and Cardiff were even worse.

Too many posters seem paranoid about all the supposed devious goings on and power struggles at the club. I think Tony Bloom is a guy with the best interests of the club at heart - and will not stand for disunity or inflated ego's. As the supremo he can state just how much say in things that Hyypia will have. Why all the paranoia guys? (MBTS in particular!)

We were never going to satisfy Gus's ambitions quickly enough for him. He was too impatient, and only interested in his own CV.
It might sound a bit Irish, but Oscar was a successful failure!
Hyypia will bring something else to the club - and if it doesn't work out, i'm sure we will be richer for the experience. All the time the club are getting stronger and stronger and so far each manager/coach has helped us move forward in some way. For example Oscar must take a lot of credit for developing Rohan Ince and Solly March. Gus clearly played a big part in getting us to where we are - his only major faux pas was under-rating Glenn Murray. He also got us playing possession football - and attracted players like Bridcutt and Ulloa to the club.

Lets hope that Sami introduces a more English attacking style of play - whilst not abandoning our style of play, and that he attracts some high calibre players through his contacts with Liverpool and the German Bundesliga - as well as his own countrymen.
At last, a post worth reading, thanks Vince.
Why say it in a few words when you can say it in a hundred Alfie....hypia. Is a rookie with limited experience... Bloom couldn't afford malkay..also he was doing OK at Cardiff before he was replaced...look what solsaeer bought to the table..?.its beating around the bush for bloom again....Employ a manager who knows what it takes to get promotion from the c,ship.... Cutting corners on probably the most important part of the club...
[quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: I can't see how or why hypia would have got the job before Mackay,hughton or Clarke...?all who have taken clubs up from the c,ship......why employ a rookie manager?the only reason I can see is Tony bloom doesn't want promotion yet...Mackay knows that league inside out and has the contacts.'..just another season of consolidation again then'.[/p][/quote]I am delighted we haven't gone for Malky, Hughton or Clarke. Malky in particular has a big ego and would have soon fallen out with the club management. Hughton always seems to have a worried, hang-dog expression on his face, and doesn't seem to handle pressure well. Not too sure about Clarke though. All the above are Premiership failures. Hughton spent (wasted) a lot of money on failures like Wolf'swinkle and Malky purchases didn't remotely look like saving Cardiff. WBA were pretty dismal and lucky that Fulham, Norwich and Cardiff were even worse. Too many posters seem paranoid about all the supposed devious goings on and power struggles at the club. I think Tony Bloom is a guy with the best interests of the club at heart - and will not stand for disunity or inflated ego's. As the supremo he can state just how much say in things that Hyypia will have. Why all the paranoia guys? (MBTS in particular!) We were never going to satisfy Gus's ambitions quickly enough for him. He was too impatient, and only interested in his own CV. It might sound a bit Irish, but Oscar was a successful failure! Hyypia will bring something else to the club - and if it doesn't work out, i'm sure we will be richer for the experience. All the time the club are getting stronger and stronger and so far each manager/coach has helped us move forward in some way. For example Oscar must take a lot of credit for developing Rohan Ince and Solly March. Gus clearly played a big part in getting us to where we are - his only major faux pas was under-rating Glenn Murray. He also got us playing possession football - and attracted players like Bridcutt and Ulloa to the club. Lets hope that Sami introduces a more English attacking style of play - whilst not abandoning our style of play, and that he attracts some high calibre players through his contacts with Liverpool and the German Bundesliga - as well as his own countrymen.[/p][/quote]At last, a post worth reading, thanks Vince.[/p][/quote]Why say it in a few words when you can say it in a hundred Alfie....hypia. Is a rookie with limited experience... Bloom couldn't afford malkay..also he was doing OK at Cardiff before he was replaced...look what solsaeer bought to the table..?.its beating around the bush for bloom again....Employ a manager who knows what it takes to get promotion from the c,ship.... Cutting corners on probably the most important part of the club... the taffster
  • Score: -5

7:29am Tue 10 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

the taffster wrote:
AlfieT wrote:
Vince wrote:
the taffster wrote:
I can't see how or why hypia would have got the job before Mackay,hughton or Clarke...?all who have taken clubs up from the c,ship......why employ a rookie manager?the only reason I can see is Tony bloom doesn't want promotion yet...Mackay knows that league inside out and has the contacts.'..just another season of consolidation again then'.
I am delighted we haven't gone for Malky, Hughton or Clarke. Malky in particular has a big ego and would have soon fallen out with the club management. Hughton always seems to have a worried, hang-dog expression on his face, and doesn't seem to handle pressure well. Not too sure about Clarke though.
All the above are Premiership failures. Hughton spent (wasted) a lot of money on failures like Wolf'swinkle and Malky purchases didn't remotely look like saving Cardiff. WBA were pretty dismal and lucky that Fulham, Norwich and Cardiff were even worse.

Too many posters seem paranoid about all the supposed devious goings on and power struggles at the club. I think Tony Bloom is a guy with the best interests of the club at heart - and will not stand for disunity or inflated ego's. As the supremo he can state just how much say in things that Hyypia will have. Why all the paranoia guys? (MBTS in particular!)

We were never going to satisfy Gus's ambitions quickly enough for him. He was too impatient, and only interested in his own CV.
It might sound a bit Irish, but Oscar was a successful failure!
Hyypia will bring something else to the club - and if it doesn't work out, i'm sure we will be richer for the experience. All the time the club are getting stronger and stronger and so far each manager/coach has helped us move forward in some way. For example Oscar must take a lot of credit for developing Rohan Ince and Solly March. Gus clearly played a big part in getting us to where we are - his only major faux pas was under-rating Glenn Murray. He also got us playing possession football - and attracted players like Bridcutt and Ulloa to the club.

Lets hope that Sami introduces a more English attacking style of play - whilst not abandoning our style of play, and that he attracts some high calibre players through his contacts with Liverpool and the German Bundesliga - as well as his own countrymen.
At last, a post worth reading, thanks Vince.
Why say it in a few words when you can say it in a hundred Alfie....hypia. Is a rookie with limited experience... Bloom couldn't afford malkay..also he was doing OK at Cardiff before he was replaced...look what solsaeer bought to the table..?.its beating around the bush for bloom again....Employ a manager who knows what it takes to get promotion from the c,ship.... Cutting corners on probably the most important part of the club...
How do you "know" we couldn't afford Mackay? You're making up a fact in order to bash TB for no good reason.
Why not just accept what is being said, that the process identified a manager on the basis of investigated merit.
Clearly you - and many others on here - know better.
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: I can't see how or why hypia would have got the job before Mackay,hughton or Clarke...?all who have taken clubs up from the c,ship......why employ a rookie manager?the only reason I can see is Tony bloom doesn't want promotion yet...Mackay knows that league inside out and has the contacts.'..just another season of consolidation again then'.[/p][/quote]I am delighted we haven't gone for Malky, Hughton or Clarke. Malky in particular has a big ego and would have soon fallen out with the club management. Hughton always seems to have a worried, hang-dog expression on his face, and doesn't seem to handle pressure well. Not too sure about Clarke though. All the above are Premiership failures. Hughton spent (wasted) a lot of money on failures like Wolf'swinkle and Malky purchases didn't remotely look like saving Cardiff. WBA were pretty dismal and lucky that Fulham, Norwich and Cardiff were even worse. Too many posters seem paranoid about all the supposed devious goings on and power struggles at the club. I think Tony Bloom is a guy with the best interests of the club at heart - and will not stand for disunity or inflated ego's. As the supremo he can state just how much say in things that Hyypia will have. Why all the paranoia guys? (MBTS in particular!) We were never going to satisfy Gus's ambitions quickly enough for him. He was too impatient, and only interested in his own CV. It might sound a bit Irish, but Oscar was a successful failure! Hyypia will bring something else to the club - and if it doesn't work out, i'm sure we will be richer for the experience. All the time the club are getting stronger and stronger and so far each manager/coach has helped us move forward in some way. For example Oscar must take a lot of credit for developing Rohan Ince and Solly March. Gus clearly played a big part in getting us to where we are - his only major faux pas was under-rating Glenn Murray. He also got us playing possession football - and attracted players like Bridcutt and Ulloa to the club. Lets hope that Sami introduces a more English attacking style of play - whilst not abandoning our style of play, and that he attracts some high calibre players through his contacts with Liverpool and the German Bundesliga - as well as his own countrymen.[/p][/quote]At last, a post worth reading, thanks Vince.[/p][/quote]Why say it in a few words when you can say it in a hundred Alfie....hypia. Is a rookie with limited experience... Bloom couldn't afford malkay..also he was doing OK at Cardiff before he was replaced...look what solsaeer bought to the table..?.its beating around the bush for bloom again....Employ a manager who knows what it takes to get promotion from the c,ship.... Cutting corners on probably the most important part of the club...[/p][/quote]How do you "know" we couldn't afford Mackay? You're making up a fact in order to bash TB for no good reason. Why not just accept what is being said, that the process identified a manager on the basis of investigated merit. Clearly you - and many others on here - know better. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 0

8:32am Tue 10 Jun 14

Quiterie says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.
Funny how two people can read the same article and interpret it very differently. The phrase "Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing" suggests to me that he'll be expected to pick new signings from the list already put together by the Scouting team.

That's the total opposite to "identifying the players he wants".
I agree. That is exactly what it means.
However, Jeff Lomer thinks AIS is so wonderful that we should all immediately say the same as him, so he won't agree. ;-)
Steady down!!
Can I just put a stop to this personal analysis? Thanks.
We all have an opinion and if people agree with mine then great. If they don't, so what? Personally, I don't know any of you, but we all have one thing in common and sometimes that gets forgotten!
For the record, the only people I don't like conversing with on here are those who, for example, reflect their opinion and then write 'FACT' after it. Actually, I think most of us dislike it, but the minority always get noticed.
Thanks. Let's move on.
Totally agree Albion in Staffs.

Another pet hate of mine is when people put 'END OF' after their comment......

..... how arrogant is that?
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Significant re-iteration of the fact that Hyppia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Clearly specifically intentioned. There can now be no doubt.[/p][/quote]Funny how two people can read the same article and interpret it very differently. The phrase "Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing" suggests to me that he'll be expected to pick new signings from the list already put together by the Scouting team. That's the total opposite to "identifying the players he wants".[/p][/quote]I agree. That is exactly what it means. However, Jeff Lomer thinks AIS is so wonderful that we should all immediately say the same as him, so he won't agree. ;-)[/p][/quote]Steady down!! Can I just put a stop to this personal analysis? Thanks. We all have an opinion and if people agree with mine then great. If they don't, so what? Personally, I don't know any of you, but we all have one thing in common and sometimes that gets forgotten! For the record, the only people I don't like conversing with on here are those who, for example, reflect their opinion and then write 'FACT' after it. Actually, I think most of us dislike it, but the minority always get noticed. Thanks. Let's move on.[/p][/quote]Totally agree Albion in Staffs. Another pet hate of mine is when people put 'END OF' after their comment...... ..... how arrogant is that? Quiterie
  • Score: 2

11:19am Tue 10 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

gordongull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
gordongull wrote:
''Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing, and identify those specific players he wants to bring in.''
That is a little ambiguous.
Is Sami restricted to 'identifying those specific players he wants to bring in', only from 'work the team has already been doing', (ie. choose players from a list)?
or can he identify specific players he wants to bring in that are not on any list?
Albion in Staffs has accrued +16 for saying, there can now be no doubt that Hyypia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given.
Brighton bluenose has achieved -6 for stating that Sami is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists.
Is it possible that the statement from Mr Barber has been cleverly worded so as not to give any clarification at all?
Yes, of course it's possible, but personally, I don't believe that If Hyypia finds a player himself that he prefers for the same money but who isn't on "the club's" list, he'll be over-ruled.
But I do believe that as fans, we're getting bogged down in subjective irrelevance. If the players we sign are good enough to create a strong squad that's capable of another tilt at promotion, I don't care whether it's Little Red Riding Hood, Kermit The Frog or Mr. Bean who's picking 'em. Whatever the process, Hyypia agreed to join.
Don't tell my wife that one about being 'bogged down in subjective irrelevance', Albion in Staffs.
She'll start using it every time I point out that there are inconsistencies to her stated opinions.
Haha! Mine too.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: ''Sami will narrow the work the team has already been doing, and identify those specific players he wants to bring in.'' That is a little ambiguous. Is Sami restricted to 'identifying those specific players he wants to bring in', only from 'work the team has already been doing', (ie. choose players from a list)? or can he identify specific players he wants to bring in that are not on any list? Albion in Staffs has accrued +16 for saying, there can now be no doubt that Hyypia is identifying the players he wants and not merely coaching those he's given. Brighton bluenose has achieved -6 for stating that Sami is clearly being given a shortlist for each position and will 'identify those specific players he wants to bring in' from those lists. Is it possible that the statement from Mr Barber has been cleverly worded so as not to give any clarification at all?[/p][/quote]Yes, of course it's possible, but personally, I don't believe that If Hyypia finds a player himself that he prefers for the same money but who isn't on "the club's" list, he'll be over-ruled. But I do believe that as fans, we're getting bogged down in subjective irrelevance. If the players we sign are good enough to create a strong squad that's capable of another tilt at promotion, I don't care whether it's Little Red Riding Hood, Kermit The Frog or Mr. Bean who's picking 'em. Whatever the process, Hyypia agreed to join.[/p][/quote]Don't tell my wife that one about being 'bogged down in subjective irrelevance', Albion in Staffs. She'll start using it every time I point out that there are inconsistencies to her stated opinions.[/p][/quote]Haha! Mine too. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 0

1:58am Wed 11 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

bruce beckett wrote:
Typical that of all clubs it should be Nottingham Forest who are poised to sign the striker top of my wish list...Matty Fryatt from Hull. They only have about 14 strikers on their books right now.

I can see Forest being the Leicester of the Championship next season; they have a lot of quality.
...:and a points deduction and embargo coming. Worst run club in the division now QPR have fluked promotion.

Re: Sussexram, I'm glad you're not excited by Hyypia's appointment. It's the surest sign yet that he'll do blindingly well.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Typical that of all clubs it should be Nottingham Forest who are poised to sign the striker top of my wish list...Matty Fryatt from Hull. They only have about 14 strikers on their books right now. I can see Forest being the Leicester of the Championship next season; they have a lot of quality.[/p][/quote]...:and a points deduction and embargo coming. Worst run club in the division now QPR have fluked promotion. Re: Sussexram, I'm glad you're not excited by Hyypia's appointment. It's the surest sign yet that he'll do blindingly well. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 2

2:14am Wed 11 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

the taffster wrote:
AlfieT wrote:
Vince wrote:
the taffster wrote:
I can't see how or why hypia would have got the job before Mackay,hughton or Clarke...?all who have taken clubs up from the c,ship......why employ a rookie manager?the only reason I can see is Tony bloom doesn't want promotion yet...Mackay knows that league inside out and has the contacts.'..just another season of consolidation again then'.
I am delighted we haven't gone for Malky, Hughton or Clarke. Malky in particular has a big ego and would have soon fallen out with the club management. Hughton always seems to have a worried, hang-dog expression on his face, and doesn't seem to handle pressure well. Not too sure about Clarke though.
All the above are Premiership failures. Hughton spent (wasted) a lot of money on failures like Wolf'swinkle and Malky purchases didn't remotely look like saving Cardiff. WBA were pretty dismal and lucky that Fulham, Norwich and Cardiff were even worse.

Too many posters seem paranoid about all the supposed devious goings on and power struggles at the club. I think Tony Bloom is a guy with the best interests of the club at heart - and will not stand for disunity or inflated ego's. As the supremo he can state just how much say in things that Hyypia will have. Why all the paranoia guys? (MBTS in particular!)

We were never going to satisfy Gus's ambitions quickly enough for him. He was too impatient, and only interested in his own CV.
It might sound a bit Irish, but Oscar was a successful failure!
Hyypia will bring something else to the club - and if it doesn't work out, i'm sure we will be richer for the experience. All the time the club are getting stronger and stronger and so far each manager/coach has helped us move forward in some way. For example Oscar must take a lot of credit for developing Rohan Ince and Solly March. Gus clearly played a big part in getting us to where we are - his only major faux pas was under-rating Glenn Murray. He also got us playing possession football - and attracted players like Bridcutt and Ulloa to the club.

Lets hope that Sami introduces a more English attacking style of play - whilst not abandoning our style of play, and that he attracts some high calibre players through his contacts with Liverpool and the German Bundesliga - as well as his own countrymen.
At last, a post worth reading, thanks Vince.
Why say it in a few words when you can say it in a hundred Alfie....hypia. Is a rookie with limited experience... Bloom couldn't afford malkay..also he was doing OK at Cardiff before he was replaced...look what solsaeer bought to the table..?.its beating around the bush for bloom again....Employ a manager who knows what it takes to get promotion from the c,ship.... Cutting corners on probably the most important part of the club...
Moreover, why say it once when you can say it three times, eh?
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vince[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: I can't see how or why hypia would have got the job before Mackay,hughton or Clarke...?all who have taken clubs up from the c,ship......why employ a rookie manager?the only reason I can see is Tony bloom doesn't want promotion yet...Mackay knows that league inside out and has the contacts.'..just another season of consolidation again then'.[/p][/quote]I am delighted we haven't gone for Malky, Hughton or Clarke. Malky in particular has a big ego and would have soon fallen out with the club management. Hughton always seems to have a worried, hang-dog expression on his face, and doesn't seem to handle pressure well. Not too sure about Clarke though. All the above are Premiership failures. Hughton spent (wasted) a lot of money on failures like Wolf'swinkle and Malky purchases didn't remotely look like saving Cardiff. WBA were pretty dismal and lucky that Fulham, Norwich and Cardiff were even worse. Too many posters seem paranoid about all the supposed devious goings on and power struggles at the club. I think Tony Bloom is a guy with the best interests of the club at heart - and will not stand for disunity or inflated ego's. As the supremo he can state just how much say in things that Hyypia will have. Why all the paranoia guys? (MBTS in particular!) We were never going to satisfy Gus's ambitions quickly enough for him. He was too impatient, and only interested in his own CV. It might sound a bit Irish, but Oscar was a successful failure! Hyypia will bring something else to the club - and if it doesn't work out, i'm sure we will be richer for the experience. All the time the club are getting stronger and stronger and so far each manager/coach has helped us move forward in some way. For example Oscar must take a lot of credit for developing Rohan Ince and Solly March. Gus clearly played a big part in getting us to where we are - his only major faux pas was under-rating Glenn Murray. He also got us playing possession football - and attracted players like Bridcutt and Ulloa to the club. Lets hope that Sami introduces a more English attacking style of play - whilst not abandoning our style of play, and that he attracts some high calibre players through his contacts with Liverpool and the German Bundesliga - as well as his own countrymen.[/p][/quote]At last, a post worth reading, thanks Vince.[/p][/quote]Why say it in a few words when you can say it in a hundred Alfie....hypia. Is a rookie with limited experience... Bloom couldn't afford malkay..also he was doing OK at Cardiff before he was replaced...look what solsaeer bought to the table..?.its beating around the bush for bloom again....Employ a manager who knows what it takes to get promotion from the c,ship.... Cutting corners on probably the most important part of the club...[/p][/quote]Moreover, why say it once when you can say it three times, eh? Captain Haddock
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