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Double injury headache for Albion boss Hyypia

The Argus: Dale Stephens Dale Stephens

Sammy Lee was not the only person missing when Albion started pre-season training at their gleaming new headquarters in Lancing yesterday.

So were two midfielders potentially central to Sami Hyypia's plans.

Andrew Crofts was accompanied by Dale Stephens on the injured list as the Seagulls got down to work under the new manager.

Albion had to abandon the official unveiling of Hyypia's No. 2 following Lee's sudden about-turn in joining Southampton instead.

Not only is Hyypia lacking an assistant, he will also be without Crofts and Stephens for some, if not all, of the preparation games and possibly even beyond the big kick-off at home to Sheffield Wednesday on August 9.

Given the serious nature of their injuries, it is difficult for the medical staff to give any guarantees about precisely when they will be back.

Welsh international Crofts scored six goals for Oscar Garcia's side last season before rupturing a cruciate knee ligament against Birmingham at the Amex in January.

Stephens, it has now emerged, ruptured an ankle ligament in Albion's penultimate game of the regular Championship campaign at home to Yeovil.

He had contributed a couple of key goals by that stage, including a last-gasp equaliser at Blackburn, and was missed as the Seagulls were comfortably despatched by Derby County in the play-offs.

Hyypia would naturally have preferred them to be available as he gets to know the players and what each can offer while also building the squad back up with new signings.

It will be intriguing to see how the Finn accomodates Crofts and Stephens once they are both fully fit.

They are similar types, mobile and energetic, with an eye for getting forward and finding the net.

Stephens was effectively signed to fill the hole created by Crofts' absence when Albion bought him from Charlton at the end of the January transfer window.

As things stand, Hyypia also has newcomer Nzuzi Toko, Rohan Ince, Jake Forster-Caskey and the enigmatic Kemy Agustien in the central midfield mix.

Solly March can also be added to that list if Forster-Caskey's England under 21 colleague is seen as a central playmaker rather than winger, as was the case latterly under Oscar.

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11:18am Tue 1 Jul 14

AlanDuffy says...

Not sure enigmatic would be the word I'd use to describe Agustien but let's hope Sami can get something out of him. No surprise with these 2 injuries,Crofts was always going to be doubtful for the start of the season, shame about Stephens though. Midfield not the priority for me though, keeper, sort out the left back situation, centre back cover and looks like we might need to replace Leo, so plenty of work to do in the next few weeks.
Not sure enigmatic would be the word I'd use to describe Agustien but let's hope Sami can get something out of him. No surprise with these 2 injuries,Crofts was always going to be doubtful for the start of the season, shame about Stephens though. Midfield not the priority for me though, keeper, sort out the left back situation, centre back cover and looks like we might need to replace Leo, so plenty of work to do in the next few weeks. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 5

11:28am Tue 1 Jul 14

brightonfan34 says...

i would like to see kemy get a run in the team
i would like to see kemy get a run in the team brightonfan34
  • Score: 7

11:39am Tue 1 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

brightonfan34 wrote:
i would like to see kemy get a run in the team
I agree. If SH can get Kemy to play regularly he will make a massive difference to the side, in terms of quality on the ball and creativity. If he can't perform for a second manager then he will have to go.
[quote][p][bold]brightonfan34[/bold] wrote: i would like to see kemy get a run in the team[/p][/quote]I agree. If SH can get Kemy to play regularly he will make a massive difference to the side, in terms of quality on the ball and creativity. If he can't perform for a second manager then he will have to go. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 17

11:43am Tue 1 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Is there ANY good news concerning albion? It's doom gloom and disaster everywhere you look. Cant help but feel an unpleasant brown substance is about to collide with a rapidly rotating device. I'm beginning to wonder if this club has been cursed.
Is there ANY good news concerning albion? It's doom gloom and disaster everywhere you look. Cant help but feel an unpleasant brown substance is about to collide with a rapidly rotating device. I'm beginning to wonder if this club has been cursed. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -23

11:49am Tue 1 Jul 14

lighteninglee says...

Nice new training ground must have been really empty yesterday considering how many players we are lacking plus back room staff i can probably imagine leo was not there if so was only to say goodbye. Sami has a mountain in front of him as in preparation for the start of the season which is only 39 days away. Which is not much time considering the players he needs to find and to get them working to his style plus get used to the albion players we have left..
Nice new training ground must have been really empty yesterday considering how many players we are lacking plus back room staff i can probably imagine leo was not there if so was only to say goodbye. Sami has a mountain in front of him as in preparation for the start of the season which is only 39 days away. Which is not much time considering the players he needs to find and to get them working to his style plus get used to the albion players we have left.. lighteninglee
  • Score: -10

12:04pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Not good news but there's no need to panic.
What we need is to be calm and not start running around like headless chickens.
It can only get better. Onwards and upwards. UTA
Not good news but there's no need to panic. What we need is to be calm and not start running around like headless chickens. It can only get better. Onwards and upwards. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: -4

12:06pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Asleep in Dorset says...

brightonfan34 wrote:
i would like to see kemy get a run in the team
I'd like to see him run.....period !!
[quote][p][bold]brightonfan34[/bold] wrote: i would like to see kemy get a run in the team[/p][/quote]I'd like to see him run.....period !! Asleep in Dorset
  • Score: 22

12:16pm Tue 1 Jul 14

fansunited says...

Breaking News..... We new both these were injured at the end of the season. Dale has already put on twitter that he went to Germany yesterday, and he doesn't think there is a big problem. The Argus trying make news were there isn't any again!
Breaking News..... We new both these were injured at the end of the season. Dale has already put on twitter that he went to Germany yesterday, and he doesn't think there is a big problem. The Argus trying make news were there isn't any again! fansunited
  • Score: 4

12:21pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Seagull in Malta says...

I wonder if Sami was told that we usually start pre season with a couple of key players out until September then November then February ..... I do hope that Kemy gets a chance to show what he can do and more importantly makes the most of it.
I wonder if Sami was told that we usually start pre season with a couple of key players out until September then November then February ..... I do hope that Kemy gets a chance to show what he can do and more importantly makes the most of it. Seagull in Malta
  • Score: 3

12:32pm Tue 1 Jul 14

tug509 says...

I saw the brief interview with Sami last night on ssn ,i would like to personally thank Sammy Lee ,because Sami looked so dam angry at Lee`s under handed betrayal that i think he might just turn that anger and passion into something palpable that he can pass on to the team !. UTA
I saw the brief interview with Sami last night on ssn ,i would like to personally thank Sammy Lee ,because Sami looked so dam angry at Lee`s under handed betrayal that i think he might just turn that anger and passion into something palpable that he can pass on to the team !. UTA tug509
  • Score: 3

12:52pm Tue 1 Jul 14

tinker111 says...

brightonfan34 wrote:
i would like to see kemy get a run in the team
As far away as possible I hope
[quote][p][bold]brightonfan34[/bold] wrote: i would like to see kemy get a run in the team[/p][/quote]As far away as possible I hope tinker111
  • Score: -6

1:19pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Claude Back says...

brightonfan34 wrote:
i would like to see kemy get a run in the team
I'd like to see Kemy run. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]brightonfan34[/bold] wrote: i would like to see kemy get a run in the team[/p][/quote]I'd like to see Kemy run. ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: 11

1:20pm Tue 1 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
I saw the brief interview with Sami last night on ssn ,i would like to personally thank Sammy Lee ,because Sami looked so dam angry at Lee`s under handed betrayal that i think he might just turn that anger and passion into something palpable that he can pass on to the team !. UTA
Hi Tug.
It would seem that the exit door at the Amex has yet to have it's padlock put on, worrying for some on here but as long as the entrance door is wide open I don't have a problem with that.
I read an article this morning that tells of Brighton putting a 10 million price tag on Ulloa, a number I can't really see us getting but it should ensure that at least 8 million will come into the coffers should e be sold.

Hyypia is saying that two players could arrive this week, that's good news, bought or borrowed will be interesting, and is one of them Ward.

Crofts and Stephens, it appears, will be playing catch up come the start of the season, no big surprise there considering the type of injuries they picked up.

Now that the players are back in training it looks like the wheels are starting to turn, Ankergren, Calde and Bruno have picked up their offers, and now I expect a steady stream of singings to occur. Right now all the talk is about whether or not Ulloa will go, but once a few start to come in, and if they are players that the fans see as good names, I think the fear of losing Ulloa will lessen. He will probably go but with good players arriving maybe the fans will trust the club more to get a decent replacement for Leo.

Bournemouth are about to get a 6 million windfall, it will be interesting to see what they do with that money.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: I saw the brief interview with Sami last night on ssn ,i would like to personally thank Sammy Lee ,because Sami looked so dam angry at Lee`s under handed betrayal that i think he might just turn that anger and passion into something palpable that he can pass on to the team !. UTA[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. It would seem that the exit door at the Amex has yet to have it's padlock put on, worrying for some on here but as long as the entrance door is wide open I don't have a problem with that. I read an article this morning that tells of Brighton putting a 10 million price tag on Ulloa, a number I can't really see us getting but it should ensure that at least 8 million will come into the coffers should e be sold. Hyypia is saying that two players could arrive this week, that's good news, bought or borrowed will be interesting, and is one of them Ward. Crofts and Stephens, it appears, will be playing catch up come the start of the season, no big surprise there considering the type of injuries they picked up. Now that the players are back in training it looks like the wheels are starting to turn, Ankergren, Calde and Bruno have picked up their offers, and now I expect a steady stream of singings to occur. Right now all the talk is about whether or not Ulloa will go, but once a few start to come in, and if they are players that the fans see as good names, I think the fear of losing Ulloa will lessen. He will probably go but with good players arriving maybe the fans will trust the club more to get a decent replacement for Leo. Bournemouth are about to get a 6 million windfall, it will be interesting to see what they do with that money. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

1:43pm Tue 1 Jul 14

ringtone says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
Not good news but there's no need to panic.
What we need is to be calm and not start running around like headless chickens.
It can only get better. Onwards and upwards. UTA
What are you on?
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: Not good news but there's no need to panic. What we need is to be calm and not start running around like headless chickens. It can only get better. Onwards and upwards. UTA[/p][/quote]What are you on? ringtone
  • Score: -3

1:43pm Tue 1 Jul 14

fratsomrover says...

Has enigmatic been re-defined to mean idle, overweight and ill disciplined?
Has enigmatic been re-defined to mean idle, overweight and ill disciplined? fratsomrover
  • Score: 9

1:54pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
I saw the brief interview with Sami last night on ssn ,i would like to personally thank Sammy Lee ,because Sami looked so dam angry at Lee`s under handed betrayal that i think he might just turn that anger and passion into something palpable that he can pass on to the team !. UTA
Hi Tug.
It would seem that the exit door at the Amex has yet to have it's padlock put on, worrying for some on here but as long as the entrance door is wide open I don't have a problem with that.
I read an article this morning that tells of Brighton putting a 10 million price tag on Ulloa, a number I can't really see us getting but it should ensure that at least 8 million will come into the coffers should e be sold.

Hyypia is saying that two players could arrive this week, that's good news, bought or borrowed will be interesting, and is one of them Ward.

Crofts and Stephens, it appears, will be playing catch up come the start of the season, no big surprise there considering the type of injuries they picked up.

Now that the players are back in training it looks like the wheels are starting to turn, Ankergren, Calde and Bruno have picked up their offers, and now I expect a steady stream of singings to occur. Right now all the talk is about whether or not Ulloa will go, but once a few start to come in, and if they are players that the fans see as good names, I think the fear of losing Ulloa will lessen. He will probably go but with good players arriving maybe the fans will trust the club more to get a decent replacement for Leo.

Bournemouth are about to get a 6 million windfall, it will be interesting to see what they do with that money.
Yes I saw that about Bournemouth they will get 6 million from Lallana transfer and will use it to be FFP compliant but sign some good players. They were snapping at our heels last season and are already making waves in the transfer Market, it doesn't bode well for us next season we will
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: I saw the brief interview with Sami last night on ssn ,i would like to personally thank Sammy Lee ,because Sami looked so dam angry at Lee`s under handed betrayal that i think he might just turn that anger and passion into something palpable that he can pass on to the team !. UTA[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. It would seem that the exit door at the Amex has yet to have it's padlock put on, worrying for some on here but as long as the entrance door is wide open I don't have a problem with that. I read an article this morning that tells of Brighton putting a 10 million price tag on Ulloa, a number I can't really see us getting but it should ensure that at least 8 million will come into the coffers should e be sold. Hyypia is saying that two players could arrive this week, that's good news, bought or borrowed will be interesting, and is one of them Ward. Crofts and Stephens, it appears, will be playing catch up come the start of the season, no big surprise there considering the type of injuries they picked up. Now that the players are back in training it looks like the wheels are starting to turn, Ankergren, Calde and Bruno have picked up their offers, and now I expect a steady stream of singings to occur. Right now all the talk is about whether or not Ulloa will go, but once a few start to come in, and if they are players that the fans see as good names, I think the fear of losing Ulloa will lessen. He will probably go but with good players arriving maybe the fans will trust the club more to get a decent replacement for Leo. Bournemouth are about to get a 6 million windfall, it will be interesting to see what they do with that money.[/p][/quote]Yes I saw that about Bournemouth they will get 6 million from Lallana transfer and will use it to be FFP compliant but sign some good players. They were snapping at our heels last season and are already making waves in the transfer Market, it doesn't bode well for us next season we will Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -7

1:56pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
I saw the brief interview with Sami last night on ssn ,i would like to personally thank Sammy Lee ,because Sami looked so dam angry at Lee`s under handed betrayal that i think he might just turn that anger and passion into something palpable that he can pass on to the team !. UTA
Hi Tug.
It would seem that the exit door at the Amex has yet to have it's padlock put on, worrying for some on here but as long as the entrance door is wide open I don't have a problem with that.
I read an article this morning that tells of Brighton putting a 10 million price tag on Ulloa, a number I can't really see us getting but it should ensure that at least 8 million will come into the coffers should e be sold.

Hyypia is saying that two players could arrive this week, that's good news, bought or borrowed will be interesting, and is one of them Ward.

Crofts and Stephens, it appears, will be playing catch up come the start of the season, no big surprise there considering the type of injuries they picked up.

Now that the players are back in training it looks like the wheels are starting to turn, Ankergren, Calde and Bruno have picked up their offers, and now I expect a steady stream of singings to occur. Right now all the talk is about whether or not Ulloa will go, but once a few start to come in, and if they are players that the fans see as good names, I think the fear of losing Ulloa will lessen. He will probably go but with good players arriving maybe the fans will trust the club more to get a decent replacement for Leo.

Bournemouth are about to get a 6 million windfall, it will be interesting to see what they do with that money.
Yes I saw that about Bournemouth they will get 6 million from Lallana transfer and will use it to be FFP compliant but sign some good players. They were snapping at our heels last season and are already making waves in the transfer Market, it doesn't bode well for us next season we will
we will have an almighty fight on our hands with all the competition.
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: I saw the brief interview with Sami last night on ssn ,i would like to personally thank Sammy Lee ,because Sami looked so dam angry at Lee`s under handed betrayal that i think he might just turn that anger and passion into something palpable that he can pass on to the team !. UTA[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. It would seem that the exit door at the Amex has yet to have it's padlock put on, worrying for some on here but as long as the entrance door is wide open I don't have a problem with that. I read an article this morning that tells of Brighton putting a 10 million price tag on Ulloa, a number I can't really see us getting but it should ensure that at least 8 million will come into the coffers should e be sold. Hyypia is saying that two players could arrive this week, that's good news, bought or borrowed will be interesting, and is one of them Ward. Crofts and Stephens, it appears, will be playing catch up come the start of the season, no big surprise there considering the type of injuries they picked up. Now that the players are back in training it looks like the wheels are starting to turn, Ankergren, Calde and Bruno have picked up their offers, and now I expect a steady stream of singings to occur. Right now all the talk is about whether or not Ulloa will go, but once a few start to come in, and if they are players that the fans see as good names, I think the fear of losing Ulloa will lessen. He will probably go but with good players arriving maybe the fans will trust the club more to get a decent replacement for Leo. Bournemouth are about to get a 6 million windfall, it will be interesting to see what they do with that money.[/p][/quote]Yes I saw that about Bournemouth they will get 6 million from Lallana transfer and will use it to be FFP compliant but sign some good players. They were snapping at our heels last season and are already making waves in the transfer Market, it doesn't bode well for us next season we will[/p][/quote]we will have an almighty fight on our hands with all the competition. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -7

1:58pm Tue 1 Jul 14

gordongull says...

Hope something heavy didn't fall on Mayfield mid-sentence :)
Hope something heavy didn't fall on Mayfield mid-sentence :) gordongull
  • Score: 11

2:02pm Tue 1 Jul 14

gordongull says...

No, thankfully he's ok.
No, thankfully he's ok. gordongull
  • Score: 1

2:07pm Tue 1 Jul 14

lotsofducks says...

Although I have a high level of confidence in Albion's management, I must admit that I'm beginning to get somewhat concerned. Since the end of last season, we have released a number of fringe players, but also others that most expected to be retained, notably Kuszczak and Orlandi. In addition, Upson has gone. Overall, I reckon we've shed about 8 or 9 first team squad players and so far we seem to have signed only one (Nzuzi Toko). We don't have that big a squad to start with and it now looks microtome thin (that's thinner than wafer thin!). Also, we have failed to sign any of the target players and even got gazumped by Bretford with one. Hopefully things are going on behind the scenes, but right now it looks like the opening game team may have to be supplemented by the first half a dozen spectators to arrive at the ground!
Although I have a high level of confidence in Albion's management, I must admit that I'm beginning to get somewhat concerned. Since the end of last season, we have released a number of fringe players, but also others that most expected to be retained, notably Kuszczak and Orlandi. In addition, Upson has gone. Overall, I reckon we've shed about 8 or 9 first team squad players and so far we seem to have signed only one (Nzuzi Toko). We don't have that big a squad to start with and it now looks microtome thin (that's thinner than wafer thin!). Also, we have failed to sign any of the target players and even got gazumped by Bretford with one. Hopefully things are going on behind the scenes, but right now it looks like the opening game team may have to be supplemented by the first half a dozen spectators to arrive at the ground! lotsofducks
  • Score: 3

2:12pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

ringtone wrote:
Joel'sGrandad wrote:
Not good news but there's no need to panic.
What we need is to be calm and not start running around like headless chickens.
It can only get better. Onwards and upwards. UTA
What are you on?
Not entirely sure, but whatever it is, the glass is half full. UTA
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: Not good news but there's no need to panic. What we need is to be calm and not start running around like headless chickens. It can only get better. Onwards and upwards. UTA[/p][/quote]What are you on?[/p][/quote]Not entirely sure, but whatever it is, the glass is half full. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 9

2:18pm Tue 1 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

For too long there has only been one destination for decent players when it comes to moving south, that is now starting to change and that is good for all southcoast clubs. With Bournemouth pushing Brighton, and Brighton having knocked on the promotion door two years in a row in a attempt to join Southamptn, things are on the up.
I would ike to think that Crawley are not too far away from getting the Champ Div and if they can get there then they too can mount a challenge for the top, just need Portsmouth to get their act together.
For too long there has only been one destination for decent players when it comes to moving south, that is now starting to change and that is good for all southcoast clubs. With Bournemouth pushing Brighton, and Brighton having knocked on the promotion door two years in a row in a attempt to join Southamptn, things are on the up. I would ike to think that Crawley are not too far away from getting the Champ Div and if they can get there then they too can mount a challenge for the top, just need Portsmouth to get their act together. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -13

2:22pm Tue 1 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

lotsofducks wrote:
Although I have a high level of confidence in Albion's management, I must admit that I'm beginning to get somewhat concerned. Since the end of last season, we have released a number of fringe players, but also others that most expected to be retained, notably Kuszczak and Orlandi. In addition, Upson has gone. Overall, I reckon we've shed about 8 or 9 first team squad players and so far we seem to have signed only one (Nzuzi Toko). We don't have that big a squad to start with and it now looks microtome thin (that's thinner than wafer thin!). Also, we have failed to sign any of the target players and even got gazumped by Bretford with one. Hopefully things are going on behind the scenes, but right now it looks like the opening game team may have to be supplemented by the first half a dozen spectators to arrive at the ground!
who are the 8 or 9 first teams players that have gone since the end of last season?
[quote][p][bold]lotsofducks[/bold] wrote: Although I have a high level of confidence in Albion's management, I must admit that I'm beginning to get somewhat concerned. Since the end of last season, we have released a number of fringe players, but also others that most expected to be retained, notably Kuszczak and Orlandi. In addition, Upson has gone. Overall, I reckon we've shed about 8 or 9 first team squad players and so far we seem to have signed only one (Nzuzi Toko). We don't have that big a squad to start with and it now looks microtome thin (that's thinner than wafer thin!). Also, we have failed to sign any of the target players and even got gazumped by Bretford with one. Hopefully things are going on behind the scenes, but right now it looks like the opening game team may have to be supplemented by the first half a dozen spectators to arrive at the ground![/p][/quote]who are the 8 or 9 first teams players that have gone since the end of last season? VegasSeagull
  • Score: -5

2:25pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Claude Back says...

Sorry Asleep In Dorset...I see we both had the same idea. I hadn't seen your post.
Sorry Asleep In Dorset...I see we both had the same idea. I hadn't seen your post. Claude Back
  • Score: 0

2:26pm Tue 1 Jul 14

gilbertthecat says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
I saw the brief interview with Sami last night on ssn ,i would like to personally thank Sammy Lee ,because Sami looked so dam angry at Lee`s under handed betrayal that i think he might just turn that anger and passion into something palpable that he can pass on to the team !. UTA
Hi Tug.
It would seem that the exit door at the Amex has yet to have it's padlock put on, worrying for some on here but as long as the entrance door is wide open I don't have a problem with that.
I read an article this morning that tells of Brighton putting a 10 million price tag on Ulloa, a number I can't really see us getting but it should ensure that at least 8 million will come into the coffers should e be sold.

Hyypia is saying that two players could arrive this week, that's good news, bought or borrowed will be interesting, and is one of them Ward.

Crofts and Stephens, it appears, will be playing catch up come the start of the season, no big surprise there considering the type of injuries they picked up.

Now that the players are back in training it looks like the wheels are starting to turn, Ankergren, Calde and Bruno have picked up their offers, and now I expect a steady stream of singings to occur. Right now all the talk is about whether or not Ulloa will go, but once a few start to come in, and if they are players that the fans see as good names, I think the fear of losing Ulloa will lessen. He will probably go but with good players arriving maybe the fans will trust the club more to get a decent replacement for Leo.

Bournemouth are about to get a 6 million windfall, it will be interesting to see what they do with that money.
Don't think SW will be one of those talked about by SH - he said it would be a goal keeper and a central defender.

Re LU, was the 'flight problem' real or made up? Does anyone know if he's put in an appearance at Lancing as yet? If so was he training with the squad? Maybe the local paper can answer those questions!! Or not!!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: I saw the brief interview with Sami last night on ssn ,i would like to personally thank Sammy Lee ,because Sami looked so dam angry at Lee`s under handed betrayal that i think he might just turn that anger and passion into something palpable that he can pass on to the team !. UTA[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. It would seem that the exit door at the Amex has yet to have it's padlock put on, worrying for some on here but as long as the entrance door is wide open I don't have a problem with that. I read an article this morning that tells of Brighton putting a 10 million price tag on Ulloa, a number I can't really see us getting but it should ensure that at least 8 million will come into the coffers should e be sold. Hyypia is saying that two players could arrive this week, that's good news, bought or borrowed will be interesting, and is one of them Ward. Crofts and Stephens, it appears, will be playing catch up come the start of the season, no big surprise there considering the type of injuries they picked up. Now that the players are back in training it looks like the wheels are starting to turn, Ankergren, Calde and Bruno have picked up their offers, and now I expect a steady stream of singings to occur. Right now all the talk is about whether or not Ulloa will go, but once a few start to come in, and if they are players that the fans see as good names, I think the fear of losing Ulloa will lessen. He will probably go but with good players arriving maybe the fans will trust the club more to get a decent replacement for Leo. Bournemouth are about to get a 6 million windfall, it will be interesting to see what they do with that money.[/p][/quote]Don't think SW will be one of those talked about by SH - he said it would be a goal keeper and a central defender. Re LU, was the 'flight problem' real or made up? Does anyone know if he's put in an appearance at Lancing as yet? If so was he training with the squad? Maybe the local paper can answer those questions!! Or not!! gilbertthecat
  • Score: 2

2:35pm Tue 1 Jul 14

gilbertthecat says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
lotsofducks wrote:
Although I have a high level of confidence in Albion's management, I must admit that I'm beginning to get somewhat concerned. Since the end of last season, we have released a number of fringe players, but also others that most expected to be retained, notably Kuszczak and Orlandi. In addition, Upson has gone. Overall, I reckon we've shed about 8 or 9 first team squad players and so far we seem to have signed only one (Nzuzi Toko). We don't have that big a squad to start with and it now looks microtome thin (that's thinner than wafer thin!). Also, we have failed to sign any of the target players and even got gazumped by Bretford with one. Hopefully things are going on behind the scenes, but right now it looks like the opening game team may have to be supplemented by the first half a dozen spectators to arrive at the ground!
who are the 8 or 9 first teams players that have gone since the end of last season?
I suppose if you include loan players that made regular 1st team appearances; Regulars - TK, MU, SW, JL. Fringe - AO, DL, DR, PB. That's 8. Throw in a couple of injured in AC and DS. On current player list we're 10 down on last season, most of whom need replacing. Then there's the big ? hanging over LU.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lotsofducks[/bold] wrote: Although I have a high level of confidence in Albion's management, I must admit that I'm beginning to get somewhat concerned. Since the end of last season, we have released a number of fringe players, but also others that most expected to be retained, notably Kuszczak and Orlandi. In addition, Upson has gone. Overall, I reckon we've shed about 8 or 9 first team squad players and so far we seem to have signed only one (Nzuzi Toko). We don't have that big a squad to start with and it now looks microtome thin (that's thinner than wafer thin!). Also, we have failed to sign any of the target players and even got gazumped by Bretford with one. Hopefully things are going on behind the scenes, but right now it looks like the opening game team may have to be supplemented by the first half a dozen spectators to arrive at the ground![/p][/quote]who are the 8 or 9 first teams players that have gone since the end of last season?[/p][/quote]I suppose if you include loan players that made regular 1st team appearances; Regulars - TK, MU, SW, JL. Fringe - AO, DL, DR, PB. That's 8. Throw in a couple of injured in AC and DS. On current player list we're 10 down on last season, most of whom need replacing. Then there's the big ? hanging over LU. gilbertthecat
  • Score: 9

2:46pm Tue 1 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

gilbertthecat wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
lotsofducks wrote:
Although I have a high level of confidence in Albion's management, I must admit that I'm beginning to get somewhat concerned. Since the end of last season, we have released a number of fringe players, but also others that most expected to be retained, notably Kuszczak and Orlandi. In addition, Upson has gone. Overall, I reckon we've shed about 8 or 9 first team squad players and so far we seem to have signed only one (Nzuzi Toko). We don't have that big a squad to start with and it now looks microtome thin (that's thinner than wafer thin!). Also, we have failed to sign any of the target players and even got gazumped by Bretford with one. Hopefully things are going on behind the scenes, but right now it looks like the opening game team may have to be supplemented by the first half a dozen spectators to arrive at the ground!
who are the 8 or 9 first teams players that have gone since the end of last season?
I suppose if you include loan players that made regular 1st team appearances; Regulars - TK, MU, SW, JL. Fringe - AO, DL, DR, PB. That's 8. Throw in a couple of injured in AC and DS. On current player list we're 10 down on last season, most of whom need replacing. Then there's the big ? hanging over LU.
Whilst your list does meet the total suggested, no way can it be claimed that we have lost 8 or 9 first team players since the end of last season. Fringe players, by definition are not first team players. Loanees retuning to their parent clubs is and was out of our hands, we didn't, 'shed,' them, they were not ours to shed.
I really don't understand all this gloomy talk about who has gone and who has not arrived as of yet. Even if Ulloa were to go our world won't come crashing down as we will replace him with the right player, and we will have the money to do so, and then some.
[quote][p][bold]gilbertthecat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lotsofducks[/bold] wrote: Although I have a high level of confidence in Albion's management, I must admit that I'm beginning to get somewhat concerned. Since the end of last season, we have released a number of fringe players, but also others that most expected to be retained, notably Kuszczak and Orlandi. In addition, Upson has gone. Overall, I reckon we've shed about 8 or 9 first team squad players and so far we seem to have signed only one (Nzuzi Toko). We don't have that big a squad to start with and it now looks microtome thin (that's thinner than wafer thin!). Also, we have failed to sign any of the target players and even got gazumped by Bretford with one. Hopefully things are going on behind the scenes, but right now it looks like the opening game team may have to be supplemented by the first half a dozen spectators to arrive at the ground![/p][/quote]who are the 8 or 9 first teams players that have gone since the end of last season?[/p][/quote]I suppose if you include loan players that made regular 1st team appearances; Regulars - TK, MU, SW, JL. Fringe - AO, DL, DR, PB. That's 8. Throw in a couple of injured in AC and DS. On current player list we're 10 down on last season, most of whom need replacing. Then there's the big ? hanging over LU.[/p][/quote]Whilst your list does meet the total suggested, no way can it be claimed that we have lost 8 or 9 first team players since the end of last season. Fringe players, by definition are not first team players. Loanees retuning to their parent clubs is and was out of our hands, we didn't, 'shed,' them, they were not ours to shed. I really don't understand all this gloomy talk about who has gone and who has not arrived as of yet. Even if Ulloa were to go our world won't come crashing down as we will replace him with the right player, and we will have the money to do so, and then some. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -6

2:52pm Tue 1 Jul 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
For too long there has only been one destination for decent players when it comes to moving south, that is now starting to change and that is good for all southcoast clubs. With Bournemouth pushing Brighton, and Brighton having knocked on the promotion door two years in a row in a attempt to join Southamptn, things are on the up.
I would ike to think that Crawley are not too far away from getting the Champ Div and if they can get there then they too can mount a challenge for the top, just need Portsmouth to get their act together.
Since you are naming names,how about Portslade Athletic.

You are having a laugh.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: For too long there has only been one destination for decent players when it comes to moving south, that is now starting to change and that is good for all southcoast clubs. With Bournemouth pushing Brighton, and Brighton having knocked on the promotion door two years in a row in a attempt to join Southamptn, things are on the up. I would ike to think that Crawley are not too far away from getting the Champ Div and if they can get there then they too can mount a challenge for the top, just need Portsmouth to get their act together.[/p][/quote]Since you are naming names,how about Portslade Athletic. You are having a laugh. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 4

2:56pm Tue 1 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
For too long there has only been one destination for decent players when it comes to moving south, that is now starting to change and that is good for all southcoast clubs. With Bournemouth pushing Brighton, and Brighton having knocked on the promotion door two years in a row in a attempt to join Southamptn, things are on the up.
I would ike to think that Crawley are not too far away from getting the Champ Div and if they can get there then they too can mount a challenge for the top, just need Portsmouth to get their act together.
Since you are naming names,how about Portslade Athletic.

You are having a laugh.
in what way am I, 'having a laugh," Southampton are in the prem, we have been good enough to make the top six twice on the bounce and Bournemouth are moving in the right direction. Crawley have a lot to do and Portsmoth even more, but how long ago was it that we were in serious trouble, and now look where we are.
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: For too long there has only been one destination for decent players when it comes to moving south, that is now starting to change and that is good for all southcoast clubs. With Bournemouth pushing Brighton, and Brighton having knocked on the promotion door two years in a row in a attempt to join Southamptn, things are on the up. I would ike to think that Crawley are not too far away from getting the Champ Div and if they can get there then they too can mount a challenge for the top, just need Portsmouth to get their act together.[/p][/quote]Since you are naming names,how about Portslade Athletic. You are having a laugh.[/p][/quote]in what way am I, 'having a laugh," Southampton are in the prem, we have been good enough to make the top six twice on the bounce and Bournemouth are moving in the right direction. Crawley have a lot to do and Portsmoth even more, but how long ago was it that we were in serious trouble, and now look where we are. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -9

3:06pm Tue 1 Jul 14

gilbertthecat says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
gilbertthecat wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
lotsofducks wrote:
Although I have a high level of confidence in Albion's management, I must admit that I'm beginning to get somewhat concerned. Since the end of last season, we have released a number of fringe players, but also others that most expected to be retained, notably Kuszczak and Orlandi. In addition, Upson has gone. Overall, I reckon we've shed about 8 or 9 first team squad players and so far we seem to have signed only one (Nzuzi Toko). We don't have that big a squad to start with and it now looks microtome thin (that's thinner than wafer thin!). Also, we have failed to sign any of the target players and even got gazumped by Bretford with one. Hopefully things are going on behind the scenes, but right now it looks like the opening game team may have to be supplemented by the first half a dozen spectators to arrive at the ground!
who are the 8 or 9 first teams players that have gone since the end of last season?
I suppose if you include loan players that made regular 1st team appearances; Regulars - TK, MU, SW, JL. Fringe - AO, DL, DR, PB. That's 8. Throw in a couple of injured in AC and DS. On current player list we're 10 down on last season, most of whom need replacing. Then there's the big ? hanging over LU.
Whilst your list does meet the total suggested, no way can it be claimed that we have lost 8 or 9 first team players since the end of last season. Fringe players, by definition are not first team players. Loanees retuning to their parent clubs is and was out of our hands, we didn't, 'shed,' them, they were not ours to shed.
I really don't understand all this gloomy talk about who has gone and who has not arrived as of yet. Even if Ulloa were to go our world won't come crashing down as we will replace him with the right player, and we will have the money to do so, and then some.
I wasn't claiming anything in terms of the OPs comments. I just listed the players that have left since season end and split that down as loans, 1st choice and fringe, for the very reason you mention. I agree that we haven't 'lost' that many, but we do need pretty much that many.

My problem with all the talk about replacement players is this. We rate LU at (depending on source) £8-10m. So if we sell him we need to get a striker who is 'as good as' LU. Surely that means we then have to spend the same £8-10m. So many say 'get rid' and replace with 2 or three better players - well the laws of economics seem to have bypassed some contributors. Yes, of course we'll get replacement players, they may be decent and we might be able to develop them. We may get loan players also but,as we've seen before, they're not always the right answer.

Other than that I'm as positive as anyone can be, bit like a Chesire cat but from Sussex. ;-))
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertthecat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lotsofducks[/bold] wrote: Although I have a high level of confidence in Albion's management, I must admit that I'm beginning to get somewhat concerned. Since the end of last season, we have released a number of fringe players, but also others that most expected to be retained, notably Kuszczak and Orlandi. In addition, Upson has gone. Overall, I reckon we've shed about 8 or 9 first team squad players and so far we seem to have signed only one (Nzuzi Toko). We don't have that big a squad to start with and it now looks microtome thin (that's thinner than wafer thin!). Also, we have failed to sign any of the target players and even got gazumped by Bretford with one. Hopefully things are going on behind the scenes, but right now it looks like the opening game team may have to be supplemented by the first half a dozen spectators to arrive at the ground![/p][/quote]who are the 8 or 9 first teams players that have gone since the end of last season?[/p][/quote]I suppose if you include loan players that made regular 1st team appearances; Regulars - TK, MU, SW, JL. Fringe - AO, DL, DR, PB. That's 8. Throw in a couple of injured in AC and DS. On current player list we're 10 down on last season, most of whom need replacing. Then there's the big ? hanging over LU.[/p][/quote]Whilst your list does meet the total suggested, no way can it be claimed that we have lost 8 or 9 first team players since the end of last season. Fringe players, by definition are not first team players. Loanees retuning to their parent clubs is and was out of our hands, we didn't, 'shed,' them, they were not ours to shed. I really don't understand all this gloomy talk about who has gone and who has not arrived as of yet. Even if Ulloa were to go our world won't come crashing down as we will replace him with the right player, and we will have the money to do so, and then some.[/p][/quote]I wasn't claiming anything in terms of the OPs comments. I just listed the players that have left since season end and split that down as loans, 1st choice and fringe, for the very reason you mention. I agree that we haven't 'lost' that many, but we do need pretty much that many. My problem with all the talk about replacement players is this. We rate LU at (depending on source) £8-10m. So if we sell him we need to get a striker who is 'as good as' LU. Surely that means we then have to spend the same £8-10m. So many say 'get rid' and replace with 2 or three better players - well the laws of economics seem to have bypassed some contributors. Yes, of course we'll get replacement players, they may be decent and we might be able to develop them. We may get loan players also but,as we've seen before, they're not always the right answer. Other than that I'm as positive as anyone can be, bit like a Chesire cat but from Sussex. ;-)) gilbertthecat
  • Score: 2

3:06pm Tue 1 Jul 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
gilbertthecat wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
lotsofducks wrote:
Although I have a high level of confidence in Albion's management, I must admit that I'm beginning to get somewhat concerned. Since the end of last season, we have released a number of fringe players, but also others that most expected to be retained, notably Kuszczak and Orlandi. In addition, Upson has gone. Overall, I reckon we've shed about 8 or 9 first team squad players and so far we seem to have signed only one (Nzuzi Toko). We don't have that big a squad to start with and it now looks microtome thin (that's thinner than wafer thin!). Also, we have failed to sign any of the target players and even got gazumped by Bretford with one. Hopefully things are going on behind the scenes, but right now it looks like the opening game team may have to be supplemented by the first half a dozen spectators to arrive at the ground!
who are the 8 or 9 first teams players that have gone since the end of last season?
I suppose if you include loan players that made regular 1st team appearances; Regulars - TK, MU, SW, JL. Fringe - AO, DL, DR, PB. That's 8. Throw in a couple of injured in AC and DS. On current player list we're 10 down on last season, most of whom need replacing. Then there's the big ? hanging over LU.
Whilst your list does meet the total suggested, no way can it be claimed that we have lost 8 or 9 first team players since the end of last season. Fringe players, by definition are not first team players. Loanees retuning to their parent clubs is and was out of our hands, we didn't, 'shed,' them, they were not ours to shed.
I really don't understand all this gloomy talk about who has gone and who has not arrived as of yet. Even if Ulloa were to go our world won't come crashing down as we will replace him with the right player, and we will have the money to do so, and then some.
If they aint here no more,Albion have shed-lost no longer play for the Albion.
If things do not start to happen soon FRINGE will be playing.

If Bloom left,our world would not end,get out of the sun vegas.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertthecat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lotsofducks[/bold] wrote: Although I have a high level of confidence in Albion's management, I must admit that I'm beginning to get somewhat concerned. Since the end of last season, we have released a number of fringe players, but also others that most expected to be retained, notably Kuszczak and Orlandi. In addition, Upson has gone. Overall, I reckon we've shed about 8 or 9 first team squad players and so far we seem to have signed only one (Nzuzi Toko). We don't have that big a squad to start with and it now looks microtome thin (that's thinner than wafer thin!). Also, we have failed to sign any of the target players and even got gazumped by Bretford with one. Hopefully things are going on behind the scenes, but right now it looks like the opening game team may have to be supplemented by the first half a dozen spectators to arrive at the ground![/p][/quote]who are the 8 or 9 first teams players that have gone since the end of last season?[/p][/quote]I suppose if you include loan players that made regular 1st team appearances; Regulars - TK, MU, SW, JL. Fringe - AO, DL, DR, PB. That's 8. Throw in a couple of injured in AC and DS. On current player list we're 10 down on last season, most of whom need replacing. Then there's the big ? hanging over LU.[/p][/quote]Whilst your list does meet the total suggested, no way can it be claimed that we have lost 8 or 9 first team players since the end of last season. Fringe players, by definition are not first team players. Loanees retuning to their parent clubs is and was out of our hands, we didn't, 'shed,' them, they were not ours to shed. I really don't understand all this gloomy talk about who has gone and who has not arrived as of yet. Even if Ulloa were to go our world won't come crashing down as we will replace him with the right player, and we will have the money to do so, and then some.[/p][/quote]If they aint here no more,Albion have shed-lost no longer play for the Albion. If things do not start to happen soon FRINGE will be playing. If Bloom left,our world would not end,get out of the sun vegas. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 1

3:21pm Tue 1 Jul 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Good to see Ulloa at training yesterday!
Good to see Ulloa at training yesterday! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 10

3:48pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Good to see Ulloa at training yesterday!
Here here. He may or may not be going, but he ain't gone yet!

UTA!!
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: Good to see Ulloa at training yesterday![/p][/quote]Here here. He may or may not be going, but he ain't gone yet! UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 8

4:10pm Tue 1 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

If we were o sell Ulloa for 8 to 10 million I don't think it follows that we would then have to spend the same amount to replace him. If the fee is a reflection of his ability, and if his ability is considered prem level by the purchaser, then perhaps we can do very well with a Champ Div striker for much less money, and right now we are a Champ Div club.

Fulham, IMHO, are nuts to pay 10 million for MacCormack, I am not saying he is not a top striker, as he clearly is, but where are the prem teams looking to buy him, I think I am right in saying just one has bid the same amount, just as only one has come in for Ulloa.

The fact that strikers that are valued, and bought, for 10 million to play in the Champ Div is the very reason why the FFP came about. Players of that price and ability should be in the prem, it's the only way that regular Champ Div clubs can compete in the market as parachute payments are distorting the values.

If we sell Ulloa for 8 to 10 million I would see our spending the same amount to replace him as a bad bit of business.
If we were o sell Ulloa for 8 to 10 million I don't think it follows that we would then have to spend the same amount to replace him. If the fee is a reflection of his ability, and if his ability is considered prem level by the purchaser, then perhaps we can do very well with a Champ Div striker for much less money, and right now we are a Champ Div club. Fulham, IMHO, are nuts to pay 10 million for MacCormack, I am not saying he is not a top striker, as he clearly is, but where are the prem teams looking to buy him, I think I am right in saying just one has bid the same amount, just as only one has come in for Ulloa. The fact that strikers that are valued, and bought, for 10 million to play in the Champ Div is the very reason why the FFP came about. Players of that price and ability should be in the prem, it's the only way that regular Champ Div clubs can compete in the market as parachute payments are distorting the values. If we sell Ulloa for 8 to 10 million I would see our spending the same amount to replace him as a bad bit of business. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -6

4:18pm Tue 1 Jul 14

pjwilk says...

Why are we not looking forward to a season when we would cement our promotion prospects.Play offs two seasons running but its looking like a survival battle already.Hope i am wrong.
Why are we not looking forward to a season when we would cement our promotion prospects.Play offs two seasons running but its looking like a survival battle already.Hope i am wrong. pjwilk
  • Score: 0

4:34pm Tue 1 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

pjwilk wrote:
Why are we not looking forward to a season when we would cement our promotion prospects.Play offs two seasons running but its looking like a survival battle already.Hope i am wrong.
so I guess that you feel that all those players we have signed for the coming season are crap, you know, all ONE OF THEM.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Why are we not looking forward to a season when we would cement our promotion prospects.Play offs two seasons running but its looking like a survival battle already.Hope i am wrong.[/p][/quote]so I guess that you feel that all those players we have signed for the coming season are crap, you know, all ONE OF THEM. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -8

4:39pm Tue 1 Jul 14

brighton bluenose says...

lighteninglee wrote:
Nice new training ground must have been really empty yesterday considering how many players we are lacking plus back room staff i can probably imagine leo was not there if so was only to say goodbye. Sami has a mountain in front of him as in preparation for the start of the season which is only 39 days away. Which is not much time considering the players he needs to find and to get them working to his style plus get used to the albion players we have left..
Maybe the comment about Ulloa is what we might expect from someone who can't even spell their own username!!
[quote][p][bold]lighteninglee[/bold] wrote: Nice new training ground must have been really empty yesterday considering how many players we are lacking plus back room staff i can probably imagine leo was not there if so was only to say goodbye. Sami has a mountain in front of him as in preparation for the start of the season which is only 39 days away. Which is not much time considering the players he needs to find and to get them working to his style plus get used to the albion players we have left..[/p][/quote]Maybe the comment about Ulloa is what we might expect from someone who can't even spell their own username!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -7

4:46pm Tue 1 Jul 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
For too long there has only been one destination for decent players when it comes to moving south, that is now starting to change and that is good for all southcoast clubs. With Bournemouth pushing Brighton, and Brighton having knocked on the promotion door two years in a row in a attempt to join Southamptn, things are on the up.
I would ike to think that Crawley are not too far away from getting the Champ Div and if they can get there then they too can mount a challenge for the top, just need Portsmouth to get their act together.
Since you are naming names,how about Portslade Athletic.

You are having a laugh.
in what way am I, 'having a laugh," Southampton are in the prem, we have been good enough to make the top six twice on the bounce and Bournemouth are moving in the right direction. Crawley have a lot to do and Portsmoth even more, but how long ago was it that we were in serious trouble, and now look where we are.
The only reason for moving down south is MONEY.

You say Fulham are nuts,maybe maybe not,they have the para money to play witht think they want to get back to the prem as soon as pos.

If Albion had been in the prem-relegated would you then say no way pay that money for a player,not saying McCormack.

What champ striker do you have in mind ???.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: For too long there has only been one destination for decent players when it comes to moving south, that is now starting to change and that is good for all southcoast clubs. With Bournemouth pushing Brighton, and Brighton having knocked on the promotion door two years in a row in a attempt to join Southamptn, things are on the up. I would ike to think that Crawley are not too far away from getting the Champ Div and if they can get there then they too can mount a challenge for the top, just need Portsmouth to get their act together.[/p][/quote]Since you are naming names,how about Portslade Athletic. You are having a laugh.[/p][/quote]in what way am I, 'having a laugh," Southampton are in the prem, we have been good enough to make the top six twice on the bounce and Bournemouth are moving in the right direction. Crawley have a lot to do and Portsmoth even more, but how long ago was it that we were in serious trouble, and now look where we are.[/p][/quote]The only reason for moving down south is MONEY. You say Fulham are nuts,maybe maybe not,they have the para money to play witht think they want to get back to the prem as soon as pos. If Albion had been in the prem-relegated would you then say no way pay that money for a player,not saying McCormack. What champ striker do you have in mind ???. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 0

4:46pm Tue 1 Jul 14

gilbertthecat says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If we were o sell Ulloa for 8 to 10 million I don't think it follows that we would then have to spend the same amount to replace him. If the fee is a reflection of his ability, and if his ability is considered prem level by the purchaser, then perhaps we can do very well with a Champ Div striker for much less money, and right now we are a Champ Div club.

Fulham, IMHO, are nuts to pay 10 million for MacCormack, I am not saying he is not a top striker, as he clearly is, but where are the prem teams looking to buy him, I think I am right in saying just one has bid the same amount, just as only one has come in for Ulloa.

The fact that strikers that are valued, and bought, for 10 million to play in the Champ Div is the very reason why the FFP came about. Players of that price and ability should be in the prem, it's the only way that regular Champ Div clubs can compete in the market as parachute payments are distorting the values.

If we sell Ulloa for 8 to 10 million I would see our spending the same amount to replace him as a bad bit of business.
That's the point - we want PL football and have a highly rated striker who, with the right support, can help get us there. So why sell him and then get lesser quality players who won't score goals and won't get us promotion? LU's stats are something like 23 in 50. I don't think that's a bad return for someone in the role of 'lone' striker as per our style last couple of seasons. So to get that ability again would cost money again.

Playing my own devil's advocate if the SH way of playing would give LU that support then maybe a replacement striker would benefit in the same way. Guess we'll have to wait a bit longer to see what SHs style actually is though.

The key now is what LU does and discussions with the club. I for one hope he stays, but won;t be surprised if he goes.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If we were o sell Ulloa for 8 to 10 million I don't think it follows that we would then have to spend the same amount to replace him. If the fee is a reflection of his ability, and if his ability is considered prem level by the purchaser, then perhaps we can do very well with a Champ Div striker for much less money, and right now we are a Champ Div club. Fulham, IMHO, are nuts to pay 10 million for MacCormack, I am not saying he is not a top striker, as he clearly is, but where are the prem teams looking to buy him, I think I am right in saying just one has bid the same amount, just as only one has come in for Ulloa. The fact that strikers that are valued, and bought, for 10 million to play in the Champ Div is the very reason why the FFP came about. Players of that price and ability should be in the prem, it's the only way that regular Champ Div clubs can compete in the market as parachute payments are distorting the values. If we sell Ulloa for 8 to 10 million I would see our spending the same amount to replace him as a bad bit of business.[/p][/quote]That's the point - we want PL football and have a highly rated striker who, with the right support, can help get us there. So why sell him and then get lesser quality players who won't score goals and won't get us promotion? LU's stats are something like 23 in 50. I don't think that's a bad return for someone in the role of 'lone' striker as per our style last couple of seasons. So to get that ability again would cost money again. Playing my own devil's advocate if the SH way of playing would give LU that support then maybe a replacement striker would benefit in the same way. Guess we'll have to wait a bit longer to see what SHs style actually is though. The key now is what LU does and discussions with the club. I for one hope he stays, but won;t be surprised if he goes. gilbertthecat
  • Score: 4

5:56pm Tue 1 Jul 14

gordongull says...

gilbertthecat wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
If we were o sell Ulloa for 8 to 10 million I don't think it follows that we would then have to spend the same amount to replace him. If the fee is a reflection of his ability, and if his ability is considered prem level by the purchaser, then perhaps we can do very well with a Champ Div striker for much less money, and right now we are a Champ Div club.

Fulham, IMHO, are nuts to pay 10 million for MacCormack, I am not saying he is not a top striker, as he clearly is, but where are the prem teams looking to buy him, I think I am right in saying just one has bid the same amount, just as only one has come in for Ulloa.

The fact that strikers that are valued, and bought, for 10 million to play in the Champ Div is the very reason why the FFP came about. Players of that price and ability should be in the prem, it's the only way that regular Champ Div clubs can compete in the market as parachute payments are distorting the values.

If we sell Ulloa for 8 to 10 million I would see our spending the same amount to replace him as a bad bit of business.
That's the point - we want PL football and have a highly rated striker who, with the right support, can help get us there. So why sell him and then get lesser quality players who won't score goals and won't get us promotion? LU's stats are something like 23 in 50. I don't think that's a bad return for someone in the role of 'lone' striker as per our style last couple of seasons. So to get that ability again would cost money again.

Playing my own devil's advocate if the SH way of playing would give LU that support then maybe a replacement striker would benefit in the same way. Guess we'll have to wait a bit longer to see what SHs style actually is though.

The key now is what LU does and discussions with the club. I for one hope he stays, but won;t be surprised if he goes.
I think we are talking about damage limitation, GTC.
It isn't that anyone wants him to go, but if the right money is offered, there isn't a lot we can do about it.
A positive aspect is that Sami will have the funds to buy a replacement to suit his style of play.
You are right about £10m strikers being out of our range, Vegas, and we could not afford the corresponding wages. I'm not sure about Fulham being ''nuts'' to consider such a fee for MacCormack. Their first tranche of parachute money, (£23m in 1st year), means they can attract the best players outside of the Premier League without breaking the bank.
[quote][p][bold]gilbertthecat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If we were o sell Ulloa for 8 to 10 million I don't think it follows that we would then have to spend the same amount to replace him. If the fee is a reflection of his ability, and if his ability is considered prem level by the purchaser, then perhaps we can do very well with a Champ Div striker for much less money, and right now we are a Champ Div club. Fulham, IMHO, are nuts to pay 10 million for MacCormack, I am not saying he is not a top striker, as he clearly is, but where are the prem teams looking to buy him, I think I am right in saying just one has bid the same amount, just as only one has come in for Ulloa. The fact that strikers that are valued, and bought, for 10 million to play in the Champ Div is the very reason why the FFP came about. Players of that price and ability should be in the prem, it's the only way that regular Champ Div clubs can compete in the market as parachute payments are distorting the values. If we sell Ulloa for 8 to 10 million I would see our spending the same amount to replace him as a bad bit of business.[/p][/quote]That's the point - we want PL football and have a highly rated striker who, with the right support, can help get us there. So why sell him and then get lesser quality players who won't score goals and won't get us promotion? LU's stats are something like 23 in 50. I don't think that's a bad return for someone in the role of 'lone' striker as per our style last couple of seasons. So to get that ability again would cost money again. Playing my own devil's advocate if the SH way of playing would give LU that support then maybe a replacement striker would benefit in the same way. Guess we'll have to wait a bit longer to see what SHs style actually is though. The key now is what LU does and discussions with the club. I for one hope he stays, but won;t be surprised if he goes.[/p][/quote]I think we are talking about damage limitation, GTC. It isn't that anyone wants him to go, but if the right money is offered, there isn't a lot we can do about it. A positive aspect is that Sami will have the funds to buy a replacement to suit his style of play. You are right about £10m strikers being out of our range, Vegas, and we could not afford the corresponding wages. I'm not sure about Fulham being ''nuts'' to consider such a fee for MacCormack. Their first tranche of parachute money, (£23m in 1st year), means they can attract the best players outside of the Premier League without breaking the bank. gordongull
  • Score: 2

6:19pm Tue 1 Jul 14

gordongull says...

It will be interesting to see if Ricky Van Wolfswinkel has found his level in the Championship.
Norwich paid £8m for him last summer, and he achieved the grand total of one goal in 27 appearances.
It will be interesting to see if Ricky Van Wolfswinkel has found his level in the Championship. Norwich paid £8m for him last summer, and he achieved the grand total of one goal in 27 appearances. gordongull
  • Score: 2

6:30pm Tue 1 Jul 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

gordongull wrote:
It will be interesting to see if Ricky Van Wolfswinkel has found his level in the Championship.
Norwich paid £8m for him last summer, and he achieved the grand total of one goal in 27 appearances.
Very interesting might put a bet on him as top scorer in the championship.

No joke.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: It will be interesting to see if Ricky Van Wolfswinkel has found his level in the Championship. Norwich paid £8m for him last summer, and he achieved the grand total of one goal in 27 appearances.[/p][/quote]Very interesting might put a bet on him as top scorer in the championship. No joke. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -3

7:54pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Seagulls via LCFC says...

brightonfan34 wrote:
i would like to see kemy get a run in the team
I would like to see him run!
[quote][p][bold]brightonfan34[/bold] wrote: i would like to see kemy get a run in the team[/p][/quote]I would like to see him run! Seagulls via LCFC
  • Score: -1

8:15pm Tue 1 Jul 14

daughter-of-manag says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
lighteninglee wrote:
Nice new training ground must have been really empty yesterday considering how many players we are lacking plus back room staff i can probably imagine leo was not there if so was only to say goodbye. Sami has a mountain in front of him as in preparation for the start of the season which is only 39 days away. Which is not much time considering the players he needs to find and to get them working to his style plus get used to the albion players we have left..
Maybe the comment about Ulloa is what we might expect from someone who can't even spell their own username!!
Ha ha good one bluenose!
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lighteninglee[/bold] wrote: Nice new training ground must have been really empty yesterday considering how many players we are lacking plus back room staff i can probably imagine leo was not there if so was only to say goodbye. Sami has a mountain in front of him as in preparation for the start of the season which is only 39 days away. Which is not much time considering the players he needs to find and to get them working to his style plus get used to the albion players we have left..[/p][/quote]Maybe the comment about Ulloa is what we might expect from someone who can't even spell their own username!![/p][/quote]Ha ha good one bluenose! daughter-of-manag
  • Score: -1

10:53pm Tue 1 Jul 14

ringtone says...

lighteninglee wrote:
Nice new training ground must have been really empty yesterday considering how many players we are lacking plus back room staff i can probably imagine leo was not there if so was only to say goodbye. Sami has a mountain in front of him as in preparation for the start of the season which is only 39 days away. Which is not much time considering the players he needs to find and to get them working to his style plus get used to the albion players we have left..
All genuine fans share your concern lee.
[quote][p][bold]lighteninglee[/bold] wrote: Nice new training ground must have been really empty yesterday considering how many players we are lacking plus back room staff i can probably imagine leo was not there if so was only to say goodbye. Sami has a mountain in front of him as in preparation for the start of the season which is only 39 days away. Which is not much time considering the players he needs to find and to get them working to his style plus get used to the albion players we have left..[/p][/quote]All genuine fans share your concern lee. ringtone
  • Score: -5

8:29am Wed 2 Jul 14

lenward says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Is there ANY good news concerning albion? It's doom gloom and disaster everywhere you look. Cant help but feel an unpleasant brown substance is about to collide with a rapidly rotating device. I'm beginning to wonder if this club has been cursed.
Are you for real. or do you say these things just to wind people up.
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: Is there ANY good news concerning albion? It's doom gloom and disaster everywhere you look. Cant help but feel an unpleasant brown substance is about to collide with a rapidly rotating device. I'm beginning to wonder if this club has been cursed.[/p][/quote]Are you for real. or do you say these things just to wind people up. lenward
  • Score: 0

9:57am Wed 2 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

lenward wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Is there ANY good news concerning albion? It's doom gloom and disaster everywhere you look. Cant help but feel an unpleasant brown substance is about to collide with a rapidly rotating device. I'm beginning to wonder if this club has been cursed.
Are you for real. or do you say these things just to wind people up.
hes a wind up merchant at least and poss a troll.and a cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]lenward[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: Is there ANY good news concerning albion? It's doom gloom and disaster everywhere you look. Cant help but feel an unpleasant brown substance is about to collide with a rapidly rotating device. I'm beginning to wonder if this club has been cursed.[/p][/quote]Are you for real. or do you say these things just to wind people up.[/p][/quote]hes a wind up merchant at least and poss a troll.and a cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 2

12:47pm Wed 2 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Cockwomble wrote:
lenward wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Is there ANY good news concerning albion? It's doom gloom and disaster everywhere you look. Cant help but feel an unpleasant brown substance is about to collide with a rapidly rotating device. I'm beginning to wonder if this club has been cursed.
Are you for real. or do you say these things just to wind people up.
hes a wind up merchant at least and poss a troll.and a cockwomble
clearly a troll and best just ignored completely
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lenward[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: Is there ANY good news concerning albion? It's doom gloom and disaster everywhere you look. Cant help but feel an unpleasant brown substance is about to collide with a rapidly rotating device. I'm beginning to wonder if this club has been cursed.[/p][/quote]Are you for real. or do you say these things just to wind people up.[/p][/quote]hes a wind up merchant at least and poss a troll.and a cockwomble[/p][/quote]clearly a troll and best just ignored completely VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

9:01pm Wed 2 Jul 14

graham w says...

one bit of good news is that the players are filling there cars up at manor road service station North Lancing, So if want to bump into players buy your pet,mags,FAGS, and papers there......
one bit of good news is that the players are filling there cars up at manor road service station North Lancing, So if want to bump into players buy your pet,mags,FAGS, and papers there...... graham w
  • Score: 0

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