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Toko set for enforcer role with Albion

The Argus: Rohan Ince could be set for a different role this season following the arrival of Nzuzi Toko Rohan Ince could be set for a different role this season following the arrival of Nzuzi Toko

Albion have earmarked Nzuzi Toko as their midfielder enforcer.

And that could mean a revised role for Rohan Ince.

Albion signed Toko in May on a free transfer from Swiss side Grasshopper Zurich, prior to Sami Hyypia's appointment as manager, after he attracted the attention of the recuitment department a year ago.

The Seagulls' only summer signing so far can operate anywhere in midfield but The Argus understands he is likely to be used just in front of the back four, where Liam Bridcutt patrolled before his move to Sunderland.

Loan signing Keith Andrews and Rohan Ince were deployed in that position last season by Oscar Garcia when Bridcutt was injured.

The capture of Toko gives Hyypia scope to play Ince in another midfield berth or revert him to his former role as a central defender.

The multi-lingual Toko has already impressed his new team-mates with his strength and speed as Albion began pre-season training under Hyypia this week at their new £30 million training complex in Lancing.

The 23-year-old has settled in quickly, establishing an instant rapport with winger and fellow countryman Kazenga LuaLua.

The pair were born in Kinshasha, capital of Congo, within ten days of each other before leaving for Europe at an early age with their families.

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5:40am Thu 3 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

Some good news in the guy has pace, my reservation is he is not the biggest , and his cameo on YouTube shows him going to ground tackling in the box,
With the news crofts and possibly Stephens are both likely to miss the opening games, having him in the squad is a bonus.
Moving onto holding midfield player would probably mean we will adopt 451 again, which means we need goals from midfield , for a player of march ability he needs to find the net this season, again Forster caskey shooting from 35 yards may catch the eye, he also needs to step up with goals, and play 90 minutes.
I feel midfield is covered with solid players, but creativity is lacking.
Defence is a mess, 3 players to slow, Dunk needs to have a season or move on, chickson has a nice touch, and needs to grab the 3 spot.
Some good news in the guy has pace, my reservation is he is not the biggest , and his cameo on YouTube shows him going to ground tackling in the box, With the news crofts and possibly Stephens are both likely to miss the opening games, having him in the squad is a bonus. Moving onto holding midfield player would probably mean we will adopt 451 again, which means we need goals from midfield , for a player of march ability he needs to find the net this season, again Forster caskey shooting from 35 yards may catch the eye, he also needs to step up with goals, and play 90 minutes. I feel midfield is covered with solid players, but creativity is lacking. Defence is a mess, 3 players to slow, Dunk needs to have a season or move on, chickson has a nice touch, and needs to grab the 3 spot. mark by the sea
  • Score: 16

5:47am Thu 3 Jul 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Agree with that. This guy can tackle!! The only concern is that he might give away a few free kicks in dangerous areas as referees are so often influenced by a dramatic fall/dive, but a tough guy for any opponent to get past. SH can now experiment more freely with Ince and get the best from him - and I can't help thinking his best will be a significant part of our story this season.

UTA!!
Agree with that. This guy can tackle!! The only concern is that he might give away a few free kicks in dangerous areas as referees are so often influenced by a dramatic fall/dive, but a tough guy for any opponent to get past. SH can now experiment more freely with Ince and get the best from him - and I can't help thinking his best will be a significant part of our story this season. UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 4

5:51am Thu 3 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Agree with that. This guy can tackle!! The only concern is that he might give away a few free kicks in dangerous areas as referees are so often influenced by a dramatic fall/dive, but a tough guy for any opponent to get past. SH can now experiment more freely with Ince and get the best from him - and I can't help thinking his best will be a significant part of our story this season.

UTA!!
I can see toko as a right back, pace , strength and can tackle, as you say looks a bit rash around the box, perhaps lua lua could run the bath about 55 minutes into the game for toko
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: Agree with that. This guy can tackle!! The only concern is that he might give away a few free kicks in dangerous areas as referees are so often influenced by a dramatic fall/dive, but a tough guy for any opponent to get past. SH can now experiment more freely with Ince and get the best from him - and I can't help thinking his best will be a significant part of our story this season. UTA!![/p][/quote]I can see toko as a right back, pace , strength and can tackle, as you say looks a bit rash around the box, perhaps lua lua could run the bath about 55 minutes into the game for toko mark by the sea
  • Score: -19

6:01am Thu 3 Jul 14

WestStander17 says...

I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set".

I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions.

We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland.

Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.
I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set". I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions. We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland. Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now. WestStander17
  • Score: 15

6:09am Thu 3 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

WestStander17 wrote:
I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set".

I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions.

We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland.

Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.
Yes just not sure how we are going to play counter attack with so many slow players, the game has changed for the better, The USA and others showed pace and attacking credentials with players who would not get a game in the premier league, our football at the Amex even under Gus was not free flowing .. Last year was painfully slow and predictable.
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set". I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions. We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland. Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.[/p][/quote]Yes just not sure how we are going to play counter attack with so many slow players, the game has changed for the better, The USA and others showed pace and attacking credentials with players who would not get a game in the premier league, our football at the Amex even under Gus was not free flowing .. Last year was painfully slow and predictable. mark by the sea
  • Score: 8

6:15am Thu 3 Jul 14

arc12 says...

If Rohan is now going to be used in a centre half role maybe we won't now that's one less signing required. Makes financial sense.
If Rohan is now going to be used in a centre half role maybe we won't now that's one less signing required. Makes financial sense. arc12
  • Score: 0

6:21am Thu 3 Jul 14

WestStander17 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
WestStander17 wrote: I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set". I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions. We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland. Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.
Yes just not sure how we are going to play counter attack with so many slow players, the game has changed for the better, The USA and others showed pace and attacking credentials with players who would not get a game in the premier league, our football at the Amex even under Gus was not free flowing .. Last year was painfully slow and predictable.
Maybe but, to be honest, it did work! I'd rather see us passing it around very slowly across the back 4 than scrambling the ball off the line and alike but we'll see what happens!

As for counter-attacking, we do have pace at the top of our team. Buckley, Lua Lua and CMS all have good pace and will suit a more counter-attacking style.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set". I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions. We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland. Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.[/p][/quote]Yes just not sure how we are going to play counter attack with so many slow players, the game has changed for the better, The USA and others showed pace and attacking credentials with players who would not get a game in the premier league, our football at the Amex even under Gus was not free flowing .. Last year was painfully slow and predictable.[/p][/quote]Maybe but, to be honest, it did work! I'd rather see us passing it around very slowly across the back 4 than scrambling the ball off the line and alike but we'll see what happens! As for counter-attacking, we do have pace at the top of our team. Buckley, Lua Lua and CMS all have good pace and will suit a more counter-attacking style. WestStander17
  • Score: 7

6:32am Thu 3 Jul 14

WestStander17 says...

arc12 wrote:
If Rohan is now going to be used in a centre half role maybe we won't now that's one less signing required. Makes financial sense.
I was going to add that. Yes, if Ince can become a reliable centre-back with Toko taking the anchor man role, it might solve a problem for sure.
[quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: If Rohan is now going to be used in a centre half role maybe we won't now that's one less signing required. Makes financial sense.[/p][/quote]I was going to add that. Yes, if Ince can become a reliable centre-back with Toko taking the anchor man role, it might solve a problem for sure. WestStander17
  • Score: 1

6:38am Thu 3 Jul 14

AlfieT says...

Ince was a revelation when OG converted him from a central defender to the holding midfield role, he could be a huge player for us this season.
Ince was a revelation when OG converted him from a central defender to the holding midfield role, he could be a huge player for us this season. AlfieT
  • Score: 7

6:54am Thu 3 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

WestStander17 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
WestStander17 wrote: I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set". I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions. We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland. Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.
Yes just not sure how we are going to play counter attack with so many slow players, the game has changed for the better, The USA and others showed pace and attacking credentials with players who would not get a game in the premier league, our football at the Amex even under Gus was not free flowing .. Last year was painfully slow and predictable.
Maybe but, to be honest, it did work! I'd rather see us passing it around very slowly across the back 4 than scrambling the ball off the line and alike but we'll see what happens!

As for counter-attacking, we do have pace at the top of our team. Buckley, Lua Lua and CMS all have good pace and will suit a more counter-attacking style.
Yes you can name 4-5 players with pace, how are you going to play them in same side? Assuming crofts , Stephens and toko play centre 3
Buckley cms on wings? Or 4-3-3 that leaves on or two on the bench!
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set". I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions. We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland. Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.[/p][/quote]Yes just not sure how we are going to play counter attack with so many slow players, the game has changed for the better, The USA and others showed pace and attacking credentials with players who would not get a game in the premier league, our football at the Amex even under Gus was not free flowing .. Last year was painfully slow and predictable.[/p][/quote]Maybe but, to be honest, it did work! I'd rather see us passing it around very slowly across the back 4 than scrambling the ball off the line and alike but we'll see what happens! As for counter-attacking, we do have pace at the top of our team. Buckley, Lua Lua and CMS all have good pace and will suit a more counter-attacking style.[/p][/quote]Yes you can name 4-5 players with pace, how are you going to play them in same side? Assuming crofts , Stephens and toko play centre 3 Buckley cms on wings? Or 4-3-3 that leaves on or two on the bench! mark by the sea
  • Score: -4

7:07am Thu 3 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

AlfieT wrote:
Ince was a revelation when OG converted him from a central defender to the holding midfield role, he could be a huge player for us this season.
The reality is Chelsea played ince as a holding midfield player , check out his signing for Albion on google..
I think he could do a job at centreback , but not with Dunk and Calderon .
GG lacks pace but his positional sense gets him out of trouble .
[quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: Ince was a revelation when OG converted him from a central defender to the holding midfield role, he could be a huge player for us this season.[/p][/quote]The reality is Chelsea played ince as a holding midfield player , check out his signing for Albion on google.. I think he could do a job at centreback , but not with Dunk and Calderon . GG lacks pace but his positional sense gets him out of trouble . mark by the sea
  • Score: -3

7:09am Thu 3 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

mark by the sea wrote:
AlfieT wrote:
Ince was a revelation when OG converted him from a central defender to the holding midfield role, he could be a huge player for us this season.
The reality is Chelsea played ince as a holding midfield player , check out his signing for Albion on google..
I think he could do a job at centreback , but not with Dunk and Calderon .
GG lacks pace but his positional sense gets him out of trouble .
Sorry my other thing for debate is who is captain ? I assume the captain will play if fit?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: Ince was a revelation when OG converted him from a central defender to the holding midfield role, he could be a huge player for us this season.[/p][/quote]The reality is Chelsea played ince as a holding midfield player , check out his signing for Albion on google.. I think he could do a job at centreback , but not with Dunk and Calderon . GG lacks pace but his positional sense gets him out of trouble .[/p][/quote]Sorry my other thing for debate is who is captain ? I assume the captain will play if fit? mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

7:15am Thu 3 Jul 14

AlfieT says...

mark by the sea wrote:
AlfieT wrote:
Ince was a revelation when OG converted him from a central defender to the holding midfield role, he could be a huge player for us this season.
The reality is Chelsea played ince as a holding midfield player , check out his signing for Albion on google..
I think he could do a job at centreback , but not with Dunk and Calderon .
GG lacks pace but his positional sense gets him out of trouble .
True, he could do a job at centre back, he is deceptively quick for such a big lad, just hope if it's Hyppias intention to play him there he continues to develop and enjoy his football.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: Ince was a revelation when OG converted him from a central defender to the holding midfield role, he could be a huge player for us this season.[/p][/quote]The reality is Chelsea played ince as a holding midfield player , check out his signing for Albion on google.. I think he could do a job at centreback , but not with Dunk and Calderon . GG lacks pace but his positional sense gets him out of trouble .[/p][/quote]True, he could do a job at centre back, he is deceptively quick for such a big lad, just hope if it's Hyppias intention to play him there he continues to develop and enjoy his football. AlfieT
  • Score: 5

7:58am Thu 3 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

So the guy has ability, now if he is a success then make sure we keep hold of him by offering a decent wage and a determination to get to the prem, or else he will go elsewhere like all our other decent players do. In other news, I see Harry Redknapp is heading for a row with Tony Fernandes over signing Rio Ferdinand for QPR. Now, if he quits which is possible, offer him the assistant manager job, Sami wants an experienced head to learn off, Arry doesn't want the main managers job at his time of life, Sami will be responsible for the actual signings (dispense with the Burke brigade now, they aren't needed), Arry won't be able to spend fortunes which of course he is prone to do, but can advise and help Sami. Could be a masterstroke by Albion, but make a pre emptive strike and capitalise on the rumblings of discontent coming out of QPR. also Arry will be like a magnet for drawing players to the club. Just a thought.
So the guy has ability, now if he is a success then make sure we keep hold of him by offering a decent wage and a determination to get to the prem, or else he will go elsewhere like all our other decent players do. In other news, I see Harry Redknapp is heading for a row with Tony Fernandes over signing Rio Ferdinand for QPR. Now, if he quits which is possible, offer him the assistant manager job, Sami wants an experienced head to learn off, Arry doesn't want the main managers job at his time of life, Sami will be responsible for the actual signings (dispense with the Burke brigade now, they aren't needed), Arry won't be able to spend fortunes which of course he is prone to do, but can advise and help Sami. Could be a masterstroke by Albion, but make a pre emptive strike and capitalise on the rumblings of discontent coming out of QPR. also Arry will be like a magnet for drawing players to the club. Just a thought. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -29

7:58am Thu 3 Jul 14

the taffster says...

WestStander17 wrote:
I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set".

I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions.

We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland.

Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.
Centre back with pace and a creative midfielder and a goalkeeper are essential IMO....
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set". I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions. We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland. Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.[/p][/quote]Centre back with pace and a creative midfielder and a goalkeeper are essential IMO.... the taffster
  • Score: 4

7:58am Thu 3 Jul 14

the taffster says...

WestStander17 wrote:
I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set".

I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions.

We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland.

Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.
Centre back with pace and a creative midfielder and a goalkeeper are essential IMO....
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set". I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions. We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland. Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.[/p][/quote]Centre back with pace and a creative midfielder and a goalkeeper are essential IMO.... the taffster
  • Score: 0

8:29am Thu 3 Jul 14

AlfieT says...

the taffster wrote:
WestStander17 wrote:
I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set".

I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions.

We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland.

Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.
Centre back with pace and a creative midfielder and a goalkeeper are essential IMO....
And what about scoring goals if Leo departs?
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set". I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions. We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland. Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.[/p][/quote]Centre back with pace and a creative midfielder and a goalkeeper are essential IMO....[/p][/quote]And what about scoring goals if Leo departs? AlfieT
  • Score: 2

8:33am Thu 3 Jul 14

Beale32 says...

AlfieT wrote:
the taffster wrote:
WestStander17 wrote:
I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set".

I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions.

We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland.

Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.
Centre back with pace and a creative midfielder and a goalkeeper are essential IMO....
And what about scoring goals if Leo departs?
Try for becchio if Leo does go.
[quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set". I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions. We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland. Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.[/p][/quote]Centre back with pace and a creative midfielder and a goalkeeper are essential IMO....[/p][/quote]And what about scoring goals if Leo departs?[/p][/quote]Try for becchio if Leo does go. Beale32
  • Score: -3

8:35am Thu 3 Jul 14

farside says...

mark by the sea wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
AlfieT wrote:
Ince was a revelation when OG converted him from a central defender to the holding midfield role, he could be a huge player for us this season.
The reality is Chelsea played ince as a holding midfield player , check out his signing for Albion on google..
I think he could do a job at centreback , but not with Dunk and Calderon .
GG lacks pace but his positional sense gets him out of trouble .
Sorry my other thing for debate is who is captain ? I assume the captain will play if fit?
Stop rewriting history to suit your views.
Ince was (a not particulatly good) centre back at chelsea, Yeovil on loan, and in our DS squad before Oscar/Jones converted him. He could revert but I believe he will fail - for his size he has poor heading ability and questionable positioning - but as a driving midfield player in the fashionablr Yaya Toure/Paul Pogba style he just might frighten the life out of teams.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: Ince was a revelation when OG converted him from a central defender to the holding midfield role, he could be a huge player for us this season.[/p][/quote]The reality is Chelsea played ince as a holding midfield player , check out his signing for Albion on google.. I think he could do a job at centreback , but not with Dunk and Calderon . GG lacks pace but his positional sense gets him out of trouble .[/p][/quote]Sorry my other thing for debate is who is captain ? I assume the captain will play if fit?[/p][/quote]Stop rewriting history to suit your views. Ince was (a not particulatly good) centre back at chelsea, Yeovil on loan, and in our DS squad before Oscar/Jones converted him. He could revert but I believe he will fail - for his size he has poor heading ability and questionable positioning - but as a driving midfield player in the fashionablr Yaya Toure/Paul Pogba style he just might frighten the life out of teams. farside
  • Score: 20

8:36am Thu 3 Jul 14

dinobha says...

Ince, March, Foster Caskey were all on debut seasons and can only be better for it. Dunk and Chickson both showed signs of class when played. Buckley & Lua Lua if they can stay fit can make a real impact and Toko looks a prospect. 8 good young players to build a squad around are 8 reasons to be optimistic. CMS in like a new signing and there is a bit of experience n the squad too. I'm not feeling as gloomy as some on here, a GK, back up striker and a couple of defenders will do for starters and I think we will be in good shape.
UTA
Ince, March, Foster Caskey were all on debut seasons and can only be better for it. Dunk and Chickson both showed signs of class when played. Buckley & Lua Lua if they can stay fit can make a real impact and Toko looks a prospect. 8 good young players to build a squad around are 8 reasons to be optimistic. CMS in like a new signing and there is a bit of experience n the squad too. I'm not feeling as gloomy as some on here, a GK, back up striker and a couple of defenders will do for starters and I think we will be in good shape. UTA dinobha
  • Score: 11

8:40am Thu 3 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

The presence of some footballing issues has prompted good comments on here and I'd only one further thought.
Certainly the versatility of Ince and one or two others makes a stronger overall squad and Ince will no doubt play a significant part through the season.
But I can't see his credentials as a centre half, negating the need to sign a front-liner in that position.
The presence of some footballing issues has prompted good comments on here and I'd only one further thought. Certainly the versatility of Ince and one or two others makes a stronger overall squad and Ince will no doubt play a significant part through the season. But I can't see his credentials as a centre half, negating the need to sign a front-liner in that position. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 6

8:59am Thu 3 Jul 14

Beale32 says...

What about Danny graham if Leo goes. Just read Sunderland have put a 1 million price tag on him
What about Danny graham if Leo goes. Just read Sunderland have put a 1 million price tag on him Beale32
  • Score: 7

9:02am Thu 3 Jul 14

Max Ripple says...

RI proved last year that he is great as a driving midfielder. We saw the opposition virtually getting out of his way as he charged at them last year. But his heading isn't great and his defensive positional acumen isn't strong either. If he failed as a central defender at Chelsea, Yeovil etc why stick him back there?
If we are tempted to stick Toko as a right back what do we do with Calde and Bruno? They virtually shared that position last year and at their times if life that might do us very well this season. Calde can of course switch to the left but can also play in a right midfield role which would free up Chicksen or Maksi to develop in the left back position. Are we also writing off Wardy completely? I haven't heard anything on that from recently.

GG is very slow these days. He was caught out several times last season and ended up making rash challenges which got him booked or cost us a goal on a couple of occasions. I'm ok with him still being there because his experience will be invaluable to Dunk who needs to learn from an old head. He's got the ability he just needs to learn the job properly.

I dearly hope that we don't entirely rely on the slow build up again too. Last year defences could sit back and make a cup of tea whilst we piddled around with lots of passes on the way to their box. By the time we got there there were usually at least seven players waiting for us. I'm hoping that Buckley might get back some of his pace so that with Kaz and CMS we might drive on quickly. Leo can then pick them off.
RI proved last year that he is great as a driving midfielder. We saw the opposition virtually getting out of his way as he charged at them last year. But his heading isn't great and his defensive positional acumen isn't strong either. If he failed as a central defender at Chelsea, Yeovil etc why stick him back there? If we are tempted to stick Toko as a right back what do we do with Calde and Bruno? They virtually shared that position last year and at their times if life that might do us very well this season. Calde can of course switch to the left but can also play in a right midfield role which would free up Chicksen or Maksi to develop in the left back position. Are we also writing off Wardy completely? I haven't heard anything on that from recently. GG is very slow these days. He was caught out several times last season and ended up making rash challenges which got him booked or cost us a goal on a couple of occasions. I'm ok with him still being there because his experience will be invaluable to Dunk who needs to learn from an old head. He's got the ability he just needs to learn the job properly. I dearly hope that we don't entirely rely on the slow build up again too. Last year defences could sit back and make a cup of tea whilst we piddled around with lots of passes on the way to their box. By the time we got there there were usually at least seven players waiting for us. I'm hoping that Buckley might get back some of his pace so that with Kaz and CMS we might drive on quickly. Leo can then pick them off. Max Ripple
  • Score: 6

9:06am Thu 3 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Beale32 wrote:
What about Danny graham if Leo goes. Just read Sunderland have put a 1 million price tag on him
Bournemouth are after him, they've wasted no time in putting the Lallana money to good use.
[quote][p][bold]Beale32[/bold] wrote: What about Danny graham if Leo goes. Just read Sunderland have put a 1 million price tag on him[/p][/quote]Bournemouth are after him, they've wasted no time in putting the Lallana money to good use. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: 0

9:23am Thu 3 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

Beale32 wrote:
What about Danny graham if Leo goes. Just read Sunderland have put a 1 million price tag on him
Morning, yer I would take Danny Graham he knows were the goal is, I see mcormack put in a transfer request in yesterday, now would be fantastic for us,
[quote][p][bold]Beale32[/bold] wrote: What about Danny graham if Leo goes. Just read Sunderland have put a 1 million price tag on him[/p][/quote]Morning, yer I would take Danny Graham he knows were the goal is, I see mcormack put in a transfer request in yesterday, now would be fantastic for us, JeffLomer
  • Score: 1

9:42am Thu 3 Jul 14

Beale32 says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Beale32 wrote:
What about Danny graham if Leo goes. Just read Sunderland have put a 1 million price tag on him
Morning, yer I would take Danny Graham he knows were the goal is, I see mcormack put in a transfer request in yesterday, now would be fantastic for us,
Im not surprised he has handed one in. The rumours coming out of Leeds are not good. Got to take their own lunches and wash their own kits to save money. Hard to believe but could be true.

McCormack will be off the Fulham as he will get paid more there.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beale32[/bold] wrote: What about Danny graham if Leo goes. Just read Sunderland have put a 1 million price tag on him[/p][/quote]Morning, yer I would take Danny Graham he knows were the goal is, I see mcormack put in a transfer request in yesterday, now would be fantastic for us,[/p][/quote]Im not surprised he has handed one in. The rumours coming out of Leeds are not good. Got to take their own lunches and wash their own kits to save money. Hard to believe but could be true. McCormack will be off the Fulham as he will get paid more there. Beale32
  • Score: 0

9:53am Thu 3 Jul 14

Bushell17 says...

Did anyone see on Sky News last night that Mervyn Day has left us as Chief Scout / Recruitment Officer and has joined West Brom or was it me just missing that !

Forget McCormack he is way out of our price range !!
Did anyone see on Sky News last night that Mervyn Day has left us as Chief Scout / Recruitment Officer and has joined West Brom or was it me just missing that ! Forget McCormack he is way out of our price range !! Bushell17
  • Score: -2

10:04am Thu 3 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

Beale32 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Beale32 wrote:
What about Danny graham if Leo goes. Just read Sunderland have put a 1 million price tag on him
Morning, yer I would take Danny Graham he knows were the goal is, I see mcormack put in a transfer request in yesterday, now would be fantastic for us,
Im not surprised he has handed one in. The rumours coming out of Leeds are not good. Got to take their own lunches and wash their own kits to save money. Hard to believe but could be true.

McCormack will be off the Fulham as he will get paid more there.
Yer I heard that about the kit, as long as we don't sign Paddy Kenny the ownew let him go because his birthday is on the 17th owner is superstitious about the 17th, and maybe one other thing he is crap!!
[quote][p][bold]Beale32[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beale32[/bold] wrote: What about Danny graham if Leo goes. Just read Sunderland have put a 1 million price tag on him[/p][/quote]Morning, yer I would take Danny Graham he knows were the goal is, I see mcormack put in a transfer request in yesterday, now would be fantastic for us,[/p][/quote]Im not surprised he has handed one in. The rumours coming out of Leeds are not good. Got to take their own lunches and wash their own kits to save money. Hard to believe but could be true. McCormack will be off the Fulham as he will get paid more there.[/p][/quote]Yer I heard that about the kit, as long as we don't sign Paddy Kenny the ownew let him go because his birthday is on the 17th owner is superstitious about the 17th, and maybe one other thing he is crap!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 3

10:22am Thu 3 Jul 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Twittered by club... new kit to be revealed today. Visit website 7pm UK time for "full story". Panic not Mayfield!!

UTA!!
Twittered by club... new kit to be revealed today. Visit website 7pm UK time for "full story". Panic not Mayfield!! UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 7

12:35pm Thu 3 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Some good news in the guy has pace, my reservation is he is not the biggest , and his cameo on YouTube shows him going to ground tackling in the box,
With the news crofts and possibly Stephens are both likely to miss the opening games, having him in the squad is a bonus.
Moving onto holding midfield player would probably mean we will adopt 451 again, which means we need goals from midfield , for a player of march ability he needs to find the net this season, again Forster caskey shooting from 35 yards may catch the eye, he also needs to step up with goals, and play 90 minutes.
I feel midfield is covered with solid players, but creativity is lacking.
Defence is a mess, 3 players to slow, Dunk needs to have a season or move on, chickson has a nice touch, and needs to grab the 3 spot.
Good points Mark BTS.
Given that I am a bit of a 'doubting Thomas' regarding Agustein after last season we only appear to have 3 fit central midfielders to select ie JFC, Ince and Toko. This means that if we do employ a 4-5-1 formation as you suggest that all three will be selected and there will be no bench cover other than Agustein. Like you MBTS I would like someone with a bit of creativity brought into the squad.
Earlier this week SH was quoted by the Argus as saying he was hoping to bring in a couple of players (a GK and a CB) by the end of this week so with luck we will hear some positive news along these lines in the next day or so
With Mervyn Day having left and joined WBA the spotlight is firmly on David Burke to support SH and deliver the signings the latter wants (within budget of course).
UTA
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Some good news in the guy has pace, my reservation is he is not the biggest , and his cameo on YouTube shows him going to ground tackling in the box, With the news crofts and possibly Stephens are both likely to miss the opening games, having him in the squad is a bonus. Moving onto holding midfield player would probably mean we will adopt 451 again, which means we need goals from midfield , for a player of march ability he needs to find the net this season, again Forster caskey shooting from 35 yards may catch the eye, he also needs to step up with goals, and play 90 minutes. I feel midfield is covered with solid players, but creativity is lacking. Defence is a mess, 3 players to slow, Dunk needs to have a season or move on, chickson has a nice touch, and needs to grab the 3 spot.[/p][/quote]Good points Mark BTS. Given that I am a bit of a 'doubting Thomas' regarding Agustein after last season we only appear to have 3 fit central midfielders to select ie JFC, Ince and Toko. This means that if we do employ a 4-5-1 formation as you suggest that all three will be selected and there will be no bench cover other than Agustein. Like you MBTS I would like someone with a bit of creativity brought into the squad. Earlier this week SH was quoted by the Argus as saying he was hoping to bring in a couple of players (a GK and a CB) by the end of this week so with luck we will hear some positive news along these lines in the next day or so With Mervyn Day having left and joined WBA the spotlight is firmly on David Burke to support SH and deliver the signings the latter wants (within budget of course). UTA ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

12:45pm Thu 3 Jul 14

tinker111 says...

Bushell17 wrote:
Did anyone see on Sky News last night that Mervyn Day has left us as Chief Scout / Recruitment Officer and has joined West Brom or was it me just missing that !

Forget McCormack he is way out of our price range !!
Which say's it all TIGHT A** Club and prem is light years away
[quote][p][bold]Bushell17[/bold] wrote: Did anyone see on Sky News last night that Mervyn Day has left us as Chief Scout / Recruitment Officer and has joined West Brom or was it me just missing that ! Forget McCormack he is way out of our price range !![/p][/quote]Which say's it all TIGHT A** Club and prem is light years away tinker111
  • Score: -9

1:08pm Thu 3 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

I think the Toko signing is a move intended to give the club more covering options as well as apparently being a decent player. We had so many injuries last season that it meant that some players had to play when perhaps it would have been better had they not. If we see Toko and Ince start that might suggest that right and left backs are going to be encouraged to push forward more than they did last season, making the case to bring Ward back even stronger. Bruno and Calde have shown that they can get forward but did they have the pace to get back and defend if the push broke down, with both Toko and Ince on the park that isn't so much of a problem and it allows Ince to join the attack.

When we sign our new center back I just hope that he is one that can use his head at set pieces, so few goals scored by our back four from free kicks around the box and corners.
I think the Toko signing is a move intended to give the club more covering options as well as apparently being a decent player. We had so many injuries last season that it meant that some players had to play when perhaps it would have been better had they not. If we see Toko and Ince start that might suggest that right and left backs are going to be encouraged to push forward more than they did last season, making the case to bring Ward back even stronger. Bruno and Calde have shown that they can get forward but did they have the pace to get back and defend if the push broke down, with both Toko and Ince on the park that isn't so much of a problem and it allows Ince to join the attack. When we sign our new center back I just hope that he is one that can use his head at set pieces, so few goals scored by our back four from free kicks around the box and corners. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 11

2:50pm Thu 3 Jul 14

heathgate says...

mark by the sea wrote:
WestStander17 wrote: I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set". I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions. We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland. Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.
Yes just not sure how we are going to play counter attack with so many slow players, the game has changed for the better, The USA and others showed pace and attacking credentials with players who would not get a game in the premier league, our football at the Amex even under Gus was not free flowing .. Last year was painfully slow and predictable.
lua Lua - Pace
March - Pace
Toko - Pace
CMS - Pace
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set". I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions. We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland. Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.[/p][/quote]Yes just not sure how we are going to play counter attack with so many slow players, the game has changed for the better, The USA and others showed pace and attacking credentials with players who would not get a game in the premier league, our football at the Amex even under Gus was not free flowing .. Last year was painfully slow and predictable.[/p][/quote]lua Lua - Pace March - Pace Toko - Pace CMS - Pace heathgate
  • Score: 3

6:38pm Thu 3 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

heathgate wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
WestStander17 wrote: I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set". I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions. We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland. Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.
Yes just not sure how we are going to play counter attack with so many slow players, the game has changed for the better, The USA and others showed pace and attacking credentials with players who would not get a game in the premier league, our football at the Amex even under Gus was not free flowing .. Last year was painfully slow and predictable.
lua Lua - Pace
March - Pace
Toko - Pace
CMS - Pace
Yes but we won't start with those 4 kin same side, unless we change from the 4-5-1
As for my point about ince playing for Chelsea as defensive mid , just search brighton sign ince..
[quote][p][bold]heathgate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set". I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions. We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland. Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.[/p][/quote]Yes just not sure how we are going to play counter attack with so many slow players, the game has changed for the better, The USA and others showed pace and attacking credentials with players who would not get a game in the premier league, our football at the Amex even under Gus was not free flowing .. Last year was painfully slow and predictable.[/p][/quote]lua Lua - Pace March - Pace Toko - Pace CMS - Pace[/p][/quote]Yes but we won't start with those 4 kin same side, unless we change from the 4-5-1 As for my point about ince playing for Chelsea as defensive mid , just search brighton sign ince.. mark by the sea
  • Score: -3

6:54pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

mark by the sea wrote:
heathgate wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
WestStander17 wrote: I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set". I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions. We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland. Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.
Yes just not sure how we are going to play counter attack with so many slow players, the game has changed for the better, The USA and others showed pace and attacking credentials with players who would not get a game in the premier league, our football at the Amex even under Gus was not free flowing .. Last year was painfully slow and predictable.
lua Lua - Pace
March - Pace
Toko - Pace
CMS - Pace
Yes but we won't start with those 4 kin same side, unless we change from the 4-5-1
As for my point about ince playing for Chelsea as defensive mid , just search brighton sign ince..
cms could play off ulloa in 4-4-1-1 and then all could play.cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heathgate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set". I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions. We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland. Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.[/p][/quote]Yes just not sure how we are going to play counter attack with so many slow players, the game has changed for the better, The USA and others showed pace and attacking credentials with players who would not get a game in the premier league, our football at the Amex even under Gus was not free flowing .. Last year was painfully slow and predictable.[/p][/quote]lua Lua - Pace March - Pace Toko - Pace CMS - Pace[/p][/quote]Yes but we won't start with those 4 kin same side, unless we change from the 4-5-1 As for my point about ince playing for Chelsea as defensive mid , just search brighton sign ince..[/p][/quote]cms could play off ulloa in 4-4-1-1 and then all could play.cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 2

6:54pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Max Ripple says...

heathgate wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
WestStander17 wrote: I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set". I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions. We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland. Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.
Yes just not sure how we are going to play counter attack with so many slow players, the game has changed for the better, The USA and others showed pace and attacking credentials with players who would not get a game in the premier league, our football at the Amex even under Gus was not free flowing .. Last year was painfully slow and predictable.
lua Lua - Pace
March - Pace
Toko - Pace
CMS - Pace
Only if they are allowed to use it.
[quote][p][bold]heathgate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set". I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions. We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland. Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.[/p][/quote]Yes just not sure how we are going to play counter attack with so many slow players, the game has changed for the better, The USA and others showed pace and attacking credentials with players who would not get a game in the premier league, our football at the Amex even under Gus was not free flowing .. Last year was painfully slow and predictable.[/p][/quote]lua Lua - Pace March - Pace Toko - Pace CMS - Pace[/p][/quote]Only if they are allowed to use it. Max Ripple
  • Score: -1

7:12pm Thu 3 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Cockwomble wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
heathgate wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
WestStander17 wrote: I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set". I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions. We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland. Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.
Yes just not sure how we are going to play counter attack with so many slow players, the game has changed for the better, The USA and others showed pace and attacking credentials with players who would not get a game in the premier league, our football at the Amex even under Gus was not free flowing .. Last year was painfully slow and predictable.
lua Lua - Pace
March - Pace
Toko - Pace
CMS - Pace
Yes but we won't start with those 4 kin same side, unless we change from the 4-5-1
As for my point about ince playing for Chelsea as defensive mid , just search brighton sign ince..
cms could play off ulloa in 4-4-1-1 and then all could play.cockwomble
you could just about use all those four in a 4-3-3 line up too.
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heathgate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: I agree with some of your points, MBTS. We've been lacking creativity in midfield for a while, briefly cured by Vicente's appearances. However, it sounds as if we will be playing a much quicker game under Hyypia which may mean creativity isn't such a requirement as defences won't be as "set". I think our midfield looks pretty good. Once Crofts and Stephens are fit, they will get goals. In Ince and/or Toko we have protection for the back four which they will need with us not keeping the ball as much. Bridcutt wasn't very big and he was great in that position so I wouldn't worry about Toko's size. Lua Lua & Buckley add pace and March brings some real quality. Forster-Caskey can fill in and do a decent job in nearly all those positions. We are sorted at right-back. Calderon, IMO, could play left-back although, as you rightly say, Chicksen has looked good when called upon. Dunk could claim his place outright this year. With guidance from Hyypia, he has no excuses really. Greer's lack of pace concerns me slightly but he generally seems to cope for us and Scotland. Goalkeeper and another centre-back are a priority right now.[/p][/quote]Yes just not sure how we are going to play counter attack with so many slow players, the game has changed for the better, The USA and others showed pace and attacking credentials with players who would not get a game in the premier league, our football at the Amex even under Gus was not free flowing .. Last year was painfully slow and predictable.[/p][/quote]lua Lua - Pace March - Pace Toko - Pace CMS - Pace[/p][/quote]Yes but we won't start with those 4 kin same side, unless we change from the 4-5-1 As for my point about ince playing for Chelsea as defensive mid , just search brighton sign ince..[/p][/quote]cms could play off ulloa in 4-4-1-1 and then all could play.cockwomble[/p][/quote]you could just about use all those four in a 4-3-3 line up too. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

8:32pm Thu 3 Jul 14

AlanDuffy says...

Beale32 wrote:
What about Danny graham if Leo goes. Just read Sunderland have put a 1 million price tag on him
Straight swap for Buckley?????
[quote][p][bold]Beale32[/bold] wrote: What about Danny graham if Leo goes. Just read Sunderland have put a 1 million price tag on him[/p][/quote]Straight swap for Buckley????? AlanDuffy
  • Score: 0
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