Foxes keep striker but still want Ulloa

Leo Ulloa

Leo Ulloa

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Leicester City remain keen on Albion star Leo Ulloa – despite securing their own top scorer on a new deal.

David Nugent ended weeks of doubt yesterday by signing a two-year contract with the Foxes.

But The Argus has been told boss Nigel Pearson still wants another striker with Ulloa on his hit list.

Seagulls manager Sami Hyypia sat down with Ulloa in the run-up to the opening friendly against Lewes last Saturday and told him he wanted him to stay.

Pearson is happy to bide his time and await developments.

Albion arrived in Spain last night for their pre-season training trip.

They play Scottish Premier side Partick Thistle on Saturday and relegated Spanish outfit Real Betis a week tonight.

Partick came from behind to beat fourth-tier Spanish club FC Pinatar 3-1 last night.

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5:17am Thu 10 Jul 14

lighteninglee says...

Pearson two words first word starts with f. The second word ends in f. Leo is a albion player...
Pearson two words first word starts with f. The second word ends in f. Leo is a albion player... lighteninglee
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5:34am Thu 10 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

NOT FOR SALE DO NOT CALL AGAIN
NOT FOR SALE DO NOT CALL AGAIN JeffLomer
  • Score: 10

5:46am Thu 10 Jul 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Leo... hero here, or occasional bit part at Leicester? Give us another season and let's see what we can achieve. Might well find that we swap places with Leicester for 2015/16 anyway!

UTA!!
Leo... hero here, or occasional bit part at Leicester? Give us another season and let's see what we can achieve. Might well find that we swap places with Leicester for 2015/16 anyway! UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 12

6:24am Thu 10 Jul 14

arc12 says...

Realistically I think most of us aren't expecting him to still be with us come the start of the season - I just hope they get a decent fee if he does leave. Good chance for Fenelon this season if Ulloa does go as many of us suspect.
Realistically I think most of us aren't expecting him to still be with us come the start of the season - I just hope they get a decent fee if he does leave. Good chance for Fenelon this season if Ulloa does go as many of us suspect. arc12
  • Score: 4

6:26am Thu 10 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Leo... hero here, or occasional bit part at Leicester? Give us another season and let's see what we can achieve. Might well find that we swap places with Leicester for 2015/16 anyway!

UTA!!
Morning, yer I agree we could swap places with them, I'm excited to see Leo and Craig up front together this season, we've not witnessed that properly yet yet due to Craigs bad injury, most off us want Leo to stay but can the club afford to turn down 7-10 million for him, if Leo has a bad season with us what would his value be worth then probably 3million if were lucky, it's a hard one for the club but they must do what's right for the club, if he does leave I hope there looking at better quality than Sam Baldock, he be ok for coming off the bench but not starting every game, very poor for West Ham at this level they soon found that out and moved him on!!
Up the Albion!!
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: Leo... hero here, or occasional bit part at Leicester? Give us another season and let's see what we can achieve. Might well find that we swap places with Leicester for 2015/16 anyway! UTA!![/p][/quote]Morning, yer I agree we could swap places with them, I'm excited to see Leo and Craig up front together this season, we've not witnessed that properly yet yet due to Craigs bad injury, most off us want Leo to stay but can the club afford to turn down 7-10 million for him, if Leo has a bad season with us what would his value be worth then probably 3million if were lucky, it's a hard one for the club but they must do what's right for the club, if he does leave I hope there looking at better quality than Sam Baldock, he be ok for coming off the bench but not starting every game, very poor for West Ham at this level they soon found that out and moved him on!! Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 12

7:40am Thu 10 Jul 14

Albion fan in London says...

This will come across as hugely controversial but I say SELL Leo, I was not that impressed with him last season (injuries aside) get a whacking fee for him so we can buy other players to strengthen the whole squad. Get Bob Z in on decent wage and play him with CMS.
This will come across as hugely controversial but I say SELL Leo, I was not that impressed with him last season (injuries aside) get a whacking fee for him so we can buy other players to strengthen the whole squad. Get Bob Z in on decent wage and play him with CMS. Albion fan in London
  • Score: 4

8:07am Thu 10 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Swap deal Ulloa for Nugent, Ulloa's mind is on the premier league now anyway.
Swap deal Ulloa for Nugent, Ulloa's mind is on the premier league now anyway. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -17

8:26am Thu 10 Jul 14

Alan G Skinner says...

It's so simple, Ulloa is on a very long contract, if we are offered £10m then Sami and the board need to sit down and have a conversation. If we are not offered £10m, then Ulloa will be leading the line against Sheffield Wednesday. The latter is my preference. Seagulls!
It's so simple, Ulloa is on a very long contract, if we are offered £10m then Sami and the board need to sit down and have a conversation. If we are not offered £10m, then Ulloa will be leading the line against Sheffield Wednesday. The latter is my preference. Seagulls! Alan G Skinner
  • Score: 8

8:30am Thu 10 Jul 14

mikeygit says...

Mayfield--if Nugent has just signed for Leicester, why would he want to come here, and it would be a whacking fee anyway Numpty!!
I hope it is not but this all sounds very familiar--aka- Bridcutt!!--I bet the agent is having a big say in what goes on!!!
Mayfield--if Nugent has just signed for Leicester, why would he want to come here, and it would be a whacking fee anyway Numpty!! I hope it is not but this all sounds very familiar--aka- Bridcutt!!--I bet the agent is having a big say in what goes on!!! mikeygit
  • Score: 2

8:48am Thu 10 Jul 14

Rhodes Seagull says...

They say : If it's not broke don't fix it" So why sell Leo who knows how we play then have to use most of the selling fee to bring in a quaility replacment who starts from scratch?
We really only need a back up keeper and have to have faith in the ones we have.
With Leo and CMS up front I don't really see a major problem to score goals, we have a solid defence and no reason why we should not finish again in the top six!!
They say : If it's not broke don't fix it" So why sell Leo who knows how we play then have to use most of the selling fee to bring in a quaility replacment who starts from scratch? We really only need a back up keeper and have to have faith in the ones we have. With Leo and CMS up front I don't really see a major problem to score goals, we have a solid defence and no reason why we should not finish again in the top six!! Rhodes Seagull
  • Score: -4

8:55am Thu 10 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
They say : If it's not broke don't fix it" So why sell Leo who knows how we play then have to use most of the selling fee to bring in a quaility replacment who starts from scratch?
We really only need a back up keeper and have to have faith in the ones we have.
With Leo and CMS up front I don't really see a major problem to score goals, we have a solid defence and no reason why we should not finish again in the top six!!
Leo wants to go, either put in transfer request Or stay!
If he puts in transfer request club are 750k better off!
Are we going to sign anyone? If so we need to pay real wages.
Anyone who thinks sami is biding his time? If we don't pick up players out of contract now, they won't be fit till sept
[quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: They say : If it's not broke don't fix it" So why sell Leo who knows how we play then have to use most of the selling fee to bring in a quaility replacment who starts from scratch? We really only need a back up keeper and have to have faith in the ones we have. With Leo and CMS up front I don't really see a major problem to score goals, we have a solid defence and no reason why we should not finish again in the top six!![/p][/quote]Leo wants to go, either put in transfer request Or stay! If he puts in transfer request club are 750k better off! Are we going to sign anyone? If so we need to pay real wages. Anyone who thinks sami is biding his time? If we don't pick up players out of contract now, they won't be fit till sept mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

9:01am Thu 10 Jul 14

Beale32 says...

Albion fan in London wrote:
This will come across as hugely controversial but I say SELL Leo, I was not that impressed with him last season (injuries aside) get a whacking fee for him so we can buy other players to strengthen the whole squad. Get Bob Z in on decent wage and play him with CMS.
I agree. Bobby looked strong and fit at the end of the last season. Stays on his feet, and we can get him on a free. I know people says he is our past, but that was a different Brighton and Hove Albion then. Not only can he be our past but also play a massive part in our future.

i like ulloa and but wouldn't be to fussed if he left . If he does stay he needs to stay on his feet more. And as many have said he will be off if the right offer comes in.
[quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: This will come across as hugely controversial but I say SELL Leo, I was not that impressed with him last season (injuries aside) get a whacking fee for him so we can buy other players to strengthen the whole squad. Get Bob Z in on decent wage and play him with CMS.[/p][/quote]I agree. Bobby looked strong and fit at the end of the last season. Stays on his feet, and we can get him on a free. I know people says he is our past, but that was a different Brighton and Hove Albion then. Not only can he be our past but also play a massive part in our future. i like ulloa and but wouldn't be to fussed if he left . If he does stay he needs to stay on his feet more. And as many have said he will be off if the right offer comes in. Beale32
  • Score: 4

9:10am Thu 10 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

mikeygit wrote:
Mayfield--if Nugent has just signed for Leicester, why would he want to come here, and it would be a whacking fee anyway Numpty!!
I hope it is not but this all sounds very familiar--aka- Bridcutt!!--I bet the agent is having a big say in what goes on!!!
Yes he has signed for Leicester again but it's a great idea in principle. And even though he's signed, if Leicester want Ulloa enough they won't mind letting Nugent go will they. We thought Sammy Lee was here for the duration, next day he upped and left. Nugent would give us a far more complete striker anyway, Ulloa I think is wanted as a target man.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Mayfield--if Nugent has just signed for Leicester, why would he want to come here, and it would be a whacking fee anyway Numpty!! I hope it is not but this all sounds very familiar--aka- Bridcutt!!--I bet the agent is having a big say in what goes on!!![/p][/quote]Yes he has signed for Leicester again but it's a great idea in principle. And even though he's signed, if Leicester want Ulloa enough they won't mind letting Nugent go will they. We thought Sammy Lee was here for the duration, next day he upped and left. Nugent would give us a far more complete striker anyway, Ulloa I think is wanted as a target man. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -14

9:14am Thu 10 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Swap deal Ulloa for Nugent, Ulloa's mind is on the premier league now anyway.
told you that has he.cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: Swap deal Ulloa for Nugent, Ulloa's mind is on the premier league now anyway.[/p][/quote]told you that has he.cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 6

9:29am Thu 10 Jul 14

Max Ripple says...

Albion fan in London wrote:
This will come across as hugely controversial but I say SELL Leo, I was not that impressed with him last season (injuries aside) get a whacking fee for him so we can buy other players to strengthen the whole squad. Get Bob Z in on decent wage and play him with CMS.
I'm sorry but as much as we all loved Bobby Z when he was our star man he is a bit long in the tooth now and his injury record is very poor. I also read on this site that his wages were around £60k a week. Even if he took a massive drop I'm sure he wouldn't come down anywhere near to our wage ceiling which is rumoured to be about £10k a week. We won't even pay £13k to Stephen Ward by the looks of things. I'd hate the club to stretch themselves to even £20k for a man who might be injured for much of the season and who IMHO is past his best. Let's just reflect on his golden days with us.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: This will come across as hugely controversial but I say SELL Leo, I was not that impressed with him last season (injuries aside) get a whacking fee for him so we can buy other players to strengthen the whole squad. Get Bob Z in on decent wage and play him with CMS.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but as much as we all loved Bobby Z when he was our star man he is a bit long in the tooth now and his injury record is very poor. I also read on this site that his wages were around £60k a week. Even if he took a massive drop I'm sure he wouldn't come down anywhere near to our wage ceiling which is rumoured to be about £10k a week. We won't even pay £13k to Stephen Ward by the looks of things. I'd hate the club to stretch themselves to even £20k for a man who might be injured for much of the season and who IMHO is past his best. Let's just reflect on his golden days with us. UTA Max Ripple
  • Score: 7

9:29am Thu 10 Jul 14

brighton bluenose says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
Mayfield--if Nugent has just signed for Leicester, why would he want to come here, and it would be a whacking fee anyway Numpty!!
I hope it is not but this all sounds very familiar--aka- Bridcutt!!--I bet the agent is having a big say in what goes on!!!
Yes he has signed for Leicester again but it's a great idea in principle. And even though he's signed, if Leicester want Ulloa enough they won't mind letting Nugent go will they. We thought Sammy Lee was here for the duration, next day he upped and left. Nugent would give us a far more complete striker anyway, Ulloa I think is wanted as a target man.
Have you been on the sauce this early in the morning?! Nugent is a PL striker at a PL club earning PL wages - why on earth would he want to drop a division with the undoubted corresponding drop in wages?!!! Bloom should be telling Ulloa you are under contract for the next 2.5 years so put a good season in and we will see where we are next May - simple as that!! If he avoids injury, gets better service than last season and hits it off with CMS they could well score 40+ between them - which is exactly what we need because we are likely to ship a few more goals than last term unless we shore up the defence ASAP!!
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Mayfield--if Nugent has just signed for Leicester, why would he want to come here, and it would be a whacking fee anyway Numpty!! I hope it is not but this all sounds very familiar--aka- Bridcutt!!--I bet the agent is having a big say in what goes on!!![/p][/quote]Yes he has signed for Leicester again but it's a great idea in principle. And even though he's signed, if Leicester want Ulloa enough they won't mind letting Nugent go will they. We thought Sammy Lee was here for the duration, next day he upped and left. Nugent would give us a far more complete striker anyway, Ulloa I think is wanted as a target man.[/p][/quote]Have you been on the sauce this early in the morning?! Nugent is a PL striker at a PL club earning PL wages - why on earth would he want to drop a division with the undoubted corresponding drop in wages?!!! Bloom should be telling Ulloa you are under contract for the next 2.5 years so put a good season in and we will see where we are next May - simple as that!! If he avoids injury, gets better service than last season and hits it off with CMS they could well score 40+ between them - which is exactly what we need because we are likely to ship a few more goals than last term unless we shore up the defence ASAP!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 12

9:46am Thu 10 Jul 14

the taffster says...

Anndre bikey has gone to Charlton......he's a quality centre back.'..I still question whether hypia has the money or contacts to build a decent squad....we need to start paying a competitive wage and buy players we need rather than players that are within our crap budget.... Not only will we end up with kids playing next season but losing ulloa and others because of the lack of ambition ....bikey went on a free too....I'm beginning to think poyet and Garcia were right when they said they had taken the club as far as they could....not being a doom monger,just realistic....
Anndre bikey has gone to Charlton......he's a quality centre back.'..I still question whether hypia has the money or contacts to build a decent squad....we need to start paying a competitive wage and buy players we need rather than players that are within our crap budget.... Not only will we end up with kids playing next season but losing ulloa and others because of the lack of ambition ....bikey went on a free too....I'm beginning to think poyet and Garcia were right when they said they had taken the club as far as they could....not being a doom monger,just realistic.... the taffster
  • Score: -6

9:51am Thu 10 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

100% of all who say they are not pessimists but realists are infact pessimists.such a cliche.cockwomble
100% of all who say they are not pessimists but realists are infact pessimists.such a cliche.cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 4

9:59am Thu 10 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

Max Ripple wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
This will come across as hugely controversial but I say SELL Leo, I was not that impressed with him last season (injuries aside) get a whacking fee for him so we can buy other players to strengthen the whole squad. Get Bob Z in on decent wage and play him with CMS.
I'm sorry but as much as we all loved Bobby Z when he was our star man he is a bit long in the tooth now and his injury record is very poor. I also read on this site that his wages were around £60k a week. Even if he took a massive drop I'm sure he wouldn't come down anywhere near to our wage ceiling which is rumoured to be about £10k a week. We won't even pay £13k to Stephen Ward by the looks of things. I'd hate the club to stretch themselves to even £20k for a man who might be injured for much of the season and who IMHO is past his best. Let's just reflect on his golden days with us.
UTA
Morning Max, at last someone talking sense like you say we scratching our feet to bring back Ward on 13k, Bobby's wage could pay Wards a CB and a decent striker who would all hopefully be here for the next four years, we've all got great memories off Bobby let's keep them, someone said on here he had a great end to the season what about the other 45 games he missed!!
Up the Albion!!
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: This will come across as hugely controversial but I say SELL Leo, I was not that impressed with him last season (injuries aside) get a whacking fee for him so we can buy other players to strengthen the whole squad. Get Bob Z in on decent wage and play him with CMS.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but as much as we all loved Bobby Z when he was our star man he is a bit long in the tooth now and his injury record is very poor. I also read on this site that his wages were around £60k a week. Even if he took a massive drop I'm sure he wouldn't come down anywhere near to our wage ceiling which is rumoured to be about £10k a week. We won't even pay £13k to Stephen Ward by the looks of things. I'd hate the club to stretch themselves to even £20k for a man who might be injured for much of the season and who IMHO is past his best. Let's just reflect on his golden days with us. UTA[/p][/quote]Morning Max, at last someone talking sense like you say we scratching our feet to bring back Ward on 13k, Bobby's wage could pay Wards a CB and a decent striker who would all hopefully be here for the next four years, we've all got great memories off Bobby let's keep them, someone said on here he had a great end to the season what about the other 45 games he missed!! Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 8

10:07am Thu 10 Jul 14

seagullsays says...

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
They say : If it's not broke don't fix it" So why sell Leo who knows how we play then have to use most of the selling fee to bring in a quaility replacment who starts from scratch?
We really only need a back up keeper and have to have faith in the ones we have.
With Leo and CMS up front I don't really see a major problem to score goals, we have a solid defence and no reason why we should not finish again in the top six!!
If the price is right, Leo will go. Simple as that. Football is a business, and if it makes business sense, it doesn't matter what we think.

With regards to the goalkeeper, who do you think is out our number 1 keeper then, if we only need back-up? Ankergren is only good enough as a back up keeper for a team with our aspirations, and Walton is an inexperienced 18 year old. Whilst he shows a great potential, there's no way SH will take a chance on him being our number 1. A goalkeeper, a centre back and a leftback are the major holes that need filling in my view, with the keeper the most important.
[quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: They say : If it's not broke don't fix it" So why sell Leo who knows how we play then have to use most of the selling fee to bring in a quaility replacment who starts from scratch? We really only need a back up keeper and have to have faith in the ones we have. With Leo and CMS up front I don't really see a major problem to score goals, we have a solid defence and no reason why we should not finish again in the top six!![/p][/quote]If the price is right, Leo will go. Simple as that. Football is a business, and if it makes business sense, it doesn't matter what we think. With regards to the goalkeeper, who do you think is out our number 1 keeper then, if we only need back-up? Ankergren is only good enough as a back up keeper for a team with our aspirations, and Walton is an inexperienced 18 year old. Whilst he shows a great potential, there's no way SH will take a chance on him being our number 1. A goalkeeper, a centre back and a leftback are the major holes that need filling in my view, with the keeper the most important. seagullsays
  • Score: 6

10:16am Thu 10 Jul 14

Albion fan in London says...

Max Ripple wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
This will come across as hugely controversial but I say SELL Leo, I was not that impressed with him last season (injuries aside) get a whacking fee for him so we can buy other players to strengthen the whole squad. Get Bob Z in on decent wage and play him with CMS.
I'm sorry but as much as we all loved Bobby Z when he was our star man he is a bit long in the tooth now and his injury record is very poor. I also read on this site that his wages were around £60k a week. Even if he took a massive drop I'm sure he wouldn't come down anywhere near to our wage ceiling which is rumoured to be about £10k a week. We won't even pay £13k to Stephen Ward by the looks of things. I'd hate the club to stretch themselves to even £20k for a man who might be injured for much of the season and who IMHO is past his best. Let's just reflect on his golden days with us.
UTA
Im not suggesting BZ will be playing week in week out because he wont BUT CMS will be able to play the lion share of the games (assuming we play one up top again) Bob is a far better player than Leo and will offer the whole team more. No way will we be paying £60k per week but neither will Millwall who he is in talks with yesterday so there has to be a compromise here. He would shine for us again , I Have no doubt about this
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: This will come across as hugely controversial but I say SELL Leo, I was not that impressed with him last season (injuries aside) get a whacking fee for him so we can buy other players to strengthen the whole squad. Get Bob Z in on decent wage and play him with CMS.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but as much as we all loved Bobby Z when he was our star man he is a bit long in the tooth now and his injury record is very poor. I also read on this site that his wages were around £60k a week. Even if he took a massive drop I'm sure he wouldn't come down anywhere near to our wage ceiling which is rumoured to be about £10k a week. We won't even pay £13k to Stephen Ward by the looks of things. I'd hate the club to stretch themselves to even £20k for a man who might be injured for much of the season and who IMHO is past his best. Let's just reflect on his golden days with us. UTA[/p][/quote]Im not suggesting BZ will be playing week in week out because he wont BUT CMS will be able to play the lion share of the games (assuming we play one up top again) Bob is a far better player than Leo and will offer the whole team more. No way will we be paying £60k per week but neither will Millwall who he is in talks with yesterday so there has to be a compromise here. He would shine for us again , I Have no doubt about this Albion fan in London
  • Score: -1

10:17am Thu 10 Jul 14

Uckfield Seagull says...

Personally I am not fussed either way, I fully believe if a player wants to play for the Albion then great, if not I would rather them leave, whoever they are nobody is bigger than the club, if Leo unhappy then its best he goes. I only want players wearing our kid who are as commited like us fans
Personally I am not fussed either way, I fully believe if a player wants to play for the Albion then great, if not I would rather them leave, whoever they are nobody is bigger than the club, if Leo unhappy then its best he goes. I only want players wearing our kid who are as commited like us fans Uckfield Seagull
  • Score: 1

10:19am Thu 10 Jul 14

elljam says...

I've just come back from holiday & haven't read a paper or looked at the internet for nearly 3 weeks so I was expecting to catch up on some exciting signings or transfer rumours at the very least.
The first things I read is that Leicester still want Ulloa (zzzzzzzzzz) & we can't afford Sam Baldock (who ?), with not a hint of a signing anywhere.
With only 4 weeks to the big KO to say things are moving slowly is putting it lightly.
I'm sure that the suits are working hard behind the scenes to get deals done but let's face it, the squad as it is does not really inspire the grand I've laid out for myself & my son for season tickets may have been better spent on another holiday.
I've just come back from holiday & haven't read a paper or looked at the internet for nearly 3 weeks so I was expecting to catch up on some exciting signings or transfer rumours at the very least. The first things I read is that Leicester still want Ulloa (zzzzzzzzzz) & we can't afford Sam Baldock (who ?), with not a hint of a signing anywhere. With only 4 weeks to the big KO to say things are moving slowly is putting it lightly. I'm sure that the suits are working hard behind the scenes to get deals done but let's face it, the squad as it is does not really inspire the grand I've laid out for myself & my son for season tickets may have been better spent on another holiday. elljam
  • Score: -3

10:22am Thu 10 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Whether your a fan of Leo or not ,he has not looked hungry or interested for us in his last few games (back end of last season ,or Lewes) if he or his agent have got the itchy feet syndrome ,we MUST sell before it translates onto the pitch and into the dressing room . No one gives 100% in a job they don't want to do .
After seeing Bobby Zee score the PO final winner ,I think he would be great for us again ,Beale32 is right we are a different BHAFC now ,only problem is wages as always .
My only concern about Fenelon ,was that he didn`t exactly light the world on fire when he was on loan at Torquay Utd scoring once in 12 appearances ! I`m sure he will improve ,but that is definitely not good enough to lead the line in a Championship outfit trying for promotion .
One way or the other we need this annual headless chicken impression sorted out sooner rather than later imho . UTA
Whether your a fan of Leo or not ,he has not looked hungry or interested for us in his last few games (back end of last season ,or Lewes) if he or his agent have got the itchy feet syndrome ,we MUST sell before it translates onto the pitch and into the dressing room . No one gives 100% in a job they don't want to do . After seeing Bobby Zee score the PO final winner ,I think he would be great for us again ,Beale32 is right we are a different BHAFC now ,only problem is wages as always . My only concern about Fenelon ,was that he didn`t exactly light the world on fire when he was on loan at Torquay Utd scoring once in 12 appearances ! I`m sure he will improve ,but that is definitely not good enough to lead the line in a Championship outfit trying for promotion . One way or the other we need this annual headless chicken impression sorted out sooner rather than later imho . UTA tug509
  • Score: -1

10:23am Thu 10 Jul 14

pjwilk says...

No transfer news again then.
No transfer news again then. pjwilk
  • Score: 0

10:25am Thu 10 Jul 14

south1919 says...

lighteninglee wrote:
Pearson two words first word starts with f. The second word ends in f. Leo is a albion player...
Not for long
[quote][p][bold]lighteninglee[/bold] wrote: Pearson two words first word starts with f. The second word ends in f. Leo is a albion player...[/p][/quote]Not for long south1919
  • Score: -3

10:44am Thu 10 Jul 14

Hovite says...

Max Ripple wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
This will come across as hugely controversial but I say SELL Leo, I was not that impressed with him last season (injuries aside) get a whacking fee for him so we can buy other players to strengthen the whole squad. Get Bob Z in on decent wage and play him with CMS.
I'm sorry but as much as we all loved Bobby Z when he was our star man he is a bit long in the tooth now and his injury record is very poor. I also read on this site that his wages were around £60k a week. Even if he took a massive drop I'm sure he wouldn't come down anywhere near to our wage ceiling which is rumoured to be about £10k a week. We won't even pay £13k to Stephen Ward by the looks of things. I'd hate the club to stretch themselves to even £20k for a man who might be injured for much of the season and who IMHO is past his best. Let's just reflect on his golden days with us.
UTA
Just for your info Zamora moved to QPR on a £45k a week deal. Doesn't make much difference, it is still a lot of money but it is not £60k.
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: This will come across as hugely controversial but I say SELL Leo, I was not that impressed with him last season (injuries aside) get a whacking fee for him so we can buy other players to strengthen the whole squad. Get Bob Z in on decent wage and play him with CMS.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but as much as we all loved Bobby Z when he was our star man he is a bit long in the tooth now and his injury record is very poor. I also read on this site that his wages were around £60k a week. Even if he took a massive drop I'm sure he wouldn't come down anywhere near to our wage ceiling which is rumoured to be about £10k a week. We won't even pay £13k to Stephen Ward by the looks of things. I'd hate the club to stretch themselves to even £20k for a man who might be injured for much of the season and who IMHO is past his best. Let's just reflect on his golden days with us. UTA[/p][/quote]Just for your info Zamora moved to QPR on a £45k a week deal. Doesn't make much difference, it is still a lot of money but it is not £60k. Hovite
  • Score: 3

11:04am Thu 10 Jul 14

Rhodes Seagull says...

seagullsays wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote:
They say : If it's not broke don't fix it" So why sell Leo who knows how we play then have to use most of the selling fee to bring in a quaility replacment who starts from scratch?
We really only need a back up keeper and have to have faith in the ones we have.
With Leo and CMS up front I don't really see a major problem to score goals, we have a solid defence and no reason why we should not finish again in the top six!!
If the price is right, Leo will go. Simple as that. Football is a business, and if it makes business sense, it doesn't matter what we think.

With regards to the goalkeeper, who do you think is out our number 1 keeper then, if we only need back-up? Ankergren is only good enough as a back up keeper for a team with our aspirations, and Walton is an inexperienced 18 year old. Whilst he shows a great potential, there's no way SH will take a chance on him being our number 1. A goalkeeper, a centre back and a leftback are the major holes that need filling in my view, with the keeper the most important.
I thought that Walton would be the one, he seems from all reports to be sound in the sticks and everyone has to be given the chance at some time to prove themselves as No1 . If we don't use our young players then we are wasting talent. Many of the top players don't wait there 21st birthday to prove they are worthy to play so why hold back on our youngsters? Players like N Butt and D Beckham got there chance early with MU so why not Walton with B&HA?
[quote][p][bold]seagullsays[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: They say : If it's not broke don't fix it" So why sell Leo who knows how we play then have to use most of the selling fee to bring in a quaility replacment who starts from scratch? We really only need a back up keeper and have to have faith in the ones we have. With Leo and CMS up front I don't really see a major problem to score goals, we have a solid defence and no reason why we should not finish again in the top six!![/p][/quote]If the price is right, Leo will go. Simple as that. Football is a business, and if it makes business sense, it doesn't matter what we think. With regards to the goalkeeper, who do you think is out our number 1 keeper then, if we only need back-up? Ankergren is only good enough as a back up keeper for a team with our aspirations, and Walton is an inexperienced 18 year old. Whilst he shows a great potential, there's no way SH will take a chance on him being our number 1. A goalkeeper, a centre back and a leftback are the major holes that need filling in my view, with the keeper the most important.[/p][/quote]I thought that Walton would be the one, he seems from all reports to be sound in the sticks and everyone has to be given the chance at some time to prove themselves as No1 . If we don't use our young players then we are wasting talent. Many of the top players don't wait there 21st birthday to prove they are worthy to play so why hold back on our youngsters? Players like N Butt and D Beckham got there chance early with MU so why not Walton with B&HA? Rhodes Seagull
  • Score: 2

11:09am Thu 10 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

elljam wrote:
I've just come back from holiday & haven't read a paper or looked at the internet for nearly 3 weeks so I was expecting to catch up on some exciting signings or transfer rumours at the very least.
The first things I read is that Leicester still want Ulloa (zzzzzzzzzz) & we can't afford Sam Baldock (who ?), with not a hint of a signing anywhere.
With only 4 weeks to the big KO to say things are moving slowly is putting it lightly.
I'm sure that the suits are working hard behind the scenes to get deals done but let's face it, the squad as it is does not really inspire the grand I've laid out for myself & my son for season tickets may have been better spent on another holiday.
Enjoy your second holiday then!!
Up the Albion!!
[quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: I've just come back from holiday & haven't read a paper or looked at the internet for nearly 3 weeks so I was expecting to catch up on some exciting signings or transfer rumours at the very least. The first things I read is that Leicester still want Ulloa (zzzzzzzzzz) & we can't afford Sam Baldock (who ?), with not a hint of a signing anywhere. With only 4 weeks to the big KO to say things are moving slowly is putting it lightly. I'm sure that the suits are working hard behind the scenes to get deals done but let's face it, the squad as it is does not really inspire the grand I've laid out for myself & my son for season tickets may have been better spent on another holiday.[/p][/quote]Enjoy your second holiday then!! Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 1

11:12am Thu 10 Jul 14

seagullsays says...

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
seagullsays wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote:
They say : If it's not broke don't fix it" So why sell Leo who knows how we play then have to use most of the selling fee to bring in a quaility replacment who starts from scratch?
We really only need a back up keeper and have to have faith in the ones we have.
With Leo and CMS up front I don't really see a major problem to score goals, we have a solid defence and no reason why we should not finish again in the top six!!
If the price is right, Leo will go. Simple as that. Football is a business, and if it makes business sense, it doesn't matter what we think.

With regards to the goalkeeper, who do you think is out our number 1 keeper then, if we only need back-up? Ankergren is only good enough as a back up keeper for a team with our aspirations, and Walton is an inexperienced 18 year old. Whilst he shows a great potential, there's no way SH will take a chance on him being our number 1. A goalkeeper, a centre back and a leftback are the major holes that need filling in my view, with the keeper the most important.
I thought that Walton would be the one, he seems from all reports to be sound in the sticks and everyone has to be given the chance at some time to prove themselves as No1 . If we don't use our young players then we are wasting talent. Many of the top players don't wait there 21st birthday to prove they are worthy to play so why hold back on our youngsters? Players like N Butt and D Beckham got there chance early with MU so why not Walton with B&HA?
Fair point RS. I just can't see the club taking a punt on the goalkeeper position like that. Maybe ok for an outfield player, as inexperience can be catered for more easily by those around him. I'd rather see him go out on loan, and get regular first team football at a lower level for a season. The only problem there is it would leave us even shorter on numbers! Time will tell.
[quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seagullsays[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: They say : If it's not broke don't fix it" So why sell Leo who knows how we play then have to use most of the selling fee to bring in a quaility replacment who starts from scratch? We really only need a back up keeper and have to have faith in the ones we have. With Leo and CMS up front I don't really see a major problem to score goals, we have a solid defence and no reason why we should not finish again in the top six!![/p][/quote]If the price is right, Leo will go. Simple as that. Football is a business, and if it makes business sense, it doesn't matter what we think. With regards to the goalkeeper, who do you think is out our number 1 keeper then, if we only need back-up? Ankergren is only good enough as a back up keeper for a team with our aspirations, and Walton is an inexperienced 18 year old. Whilst he shows a great potential, there's no way SH will take a chance on him being our number 1. A goalkeeper, a centre back and a leftback are the major holes that need filling in my view, with the keeper the most important.[/p][/quote]I thought that Walton would be the one, he seems from all reports to be sound in the sticks and everyone has to be given the chance at some time to prove themselves as No1 . If we don't use our young players then we are wasting talent. Many of the top players don't wait there 21st birthday to prove they are worthy to play so why hold back on our youngsters? Players like N Butt and D Beckham got there chance early with MU so why not Walton with B&HA?[/p][/quote]Fair point RS. I just can't see the club taking a punt on the goalkeeper position like that. Maybe ok for an outfield player, as inexperience can be catered for more easily by those around him. I'd rather see him go out on loan, and get regular first team football at a lower level for a season. The only problem there is it would leave us even shorter on numbers! Time will tell. seagullsays
  • Score: 3

11:50am Thu 10 Jul 14

The Phantom says...

Albion fan in London wrote:
This will come across as hugely controversial but I say SELL Leo, I was not that impressed with him last season (injuries aside) get a whacking fee for him so we can buy other players to strengthen the whole squad. Get Bob Z in on decent wage and play him with CMS.
I agree that the selling of Ulloa is the best way forward now. No point having a disenchanted Ulloa leading the line - was only really effective when he was"at it'. As to the extent of the whacking fee, that remains to be seen. With McCormack going for 11M I would imagine that Ulloa's transfer fee should be proportionate to this. As for Bobby Z coming back.....unfortunate
ly Bob has had his day now and would not be a progressive move forward. Certainly not worth making him our highest paid player - there are better younger players with more potential out there.
[quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: This will come across as hugely controversial but I say SELL Leo, I was not that impressed with him last season (injuries aside) get a whacking fee for him so we can buy other players to strengthen the whole squad. Get Bob Z in on decent wage and play him with CMS.[/p][/quote]I agree that the selling of Ulloa is the best way forward now. No point having a disenchanted Ulloa leading the line - was only really effective when he was"at it'. As to the extent of the whacking fee, that remains to be seen. With McCormack going for 11M I would imagine that Ulloa's transfer fee should be proportionate to this. As for Bobby Z coming back.....unfortunate ly Bob has had his day now and would not be a progressive move forward. Certainly not worth making him our highest paid player - there are better younger players with more potential out there. The Phantom
  • Score: 1

11:53am Thu 10 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Ross McCormack's fee has set the bar at a certain level, so it's right we're playing hard ball rather than giving him away as we did Bridcutt.
I wouldn't be averse to losing him if we get decent money. Of course he's a good player but what I saw of him 'live' last season, he seemed too immobile within our intended style and not ideally suited to it. Assuming SH intends to stick with the basic philosophy, a more agile front man may also improve a few of those around him too.
And one other thing: someone suggested we'd missed out again because Andre Bikey has signed for Charlton. Apparently, he's a "quality centre back" Hmmmmm.
To be honest, its not one that will keep me awake tonight.
Ross McCormack's fee has set the bar at a certain level, so it's right we're playing hard ball rather than giving him away as we did Bridcutt. I wouldn't be averse to losing him if we get decent money. Of course he's a good player but what I saw of him 'live' last season, he seemed too immobile within our intended style and not ideally suited to it. Assuming SH intends to stick with the basic philosophy, a more agile front man may also improve a few of those around him too. And one other thing: someone suggested we'd missed out again because Andre Bikey has signed for Charlton. Apparently, he's a "quality centre back" Hmmmmm. To be honest, its not one that will keep me awake tonight. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 5

12:51pm Thu 10 Jul 14

pte says...

Leicester still want him but are waiting developments. Which means they have offered as much as they are going to but are waiting from a response at the other end. I guess as mark says the club is waiting for the transfer request to clear themselves with the fans and to save on Leo's cut

I don't think if Leicester were prepared to pay more they would show their hand by saying they were still interested. They only say that if a fee has already been agreed.

Sami trying to convince Leo to stay is a way of putting him on the spot regarding the transfer request. Either he has to say he is happy to stay or put in the request

Adios
Leicester still want him but are waiting developments. Which means they have offered as much as they are going to but are waiting from a response at the other end. I guess as mark says the club is waiting for the transfer request to clear themselves with the fans and to save on Leo's cut I don't think if Leicester were prepared to pay more they would show their hand by saying they were still interested. They only say that if a fee has already been agreed. Sami trying to convince Leo to stay is a way of putting him on the spot regarding the transfer request. Either he has to say he is happy to stay or put in the request Adios pte
  • Score: 2

1:16pm Thu 10 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Even if the right offer came in for Leo I would not want the club to sell him until we have two new strikers signed up, and Bobby Z would not be one of them. As it stands we have just two strikers, we need three with Fenelon as our fourth option, IMHO.

Walton as our number one keeper looks a tad fanciful to me, I would prefer that we bring in a good keeper as number one, maybe even bring in one more keeper and send Walton out on loan for a year, if we could find a club that would give him plenty of game time, and at his age that might not be too easy to arrange.

Who ever we play up front, and in what ever pattern, the service to the strikers will be pivitol when thinking about the number of goals they might score. Get the service right and the goals should come, but if we get it wrong it won't matter who our strikers are.

IMHO the main priority right now is to get the keeper situation sorted and get two center backs, once done move on to the next priority and for me that would be, sort a deal out for Ward and sort a loan deal out for Lingard.
The Leo issue will sort it's self out one way or another as it's Leicester's problem and not ours. They either pay what we want or they don't get him, either way we can handle it. Even if Leo were to submit a transfer request, Leicester will still have to pay what we want as I am sure that there is a figure that we simply will not drop below for his services.
Even if the right offer came in for Leo I would not want the club to sell him until we have two new strikers signed up, and Bobby Z would not be one of them. As it stands we have just two strikers, we need three with Fenelon as our fourth option, IMHO. Walton as our number one keeper looks a tad fanciful to me, I would prefer that we bring in a good keeper as number one, maybe even bring in one more keeper and send Walton out on loan for a year, if we could find a club that would give him plenty of game time, and at his age that might not be too easy to arrange. Who ever we play up front, and in what ever pattern, the service to the strikers will be pivitol when thinking about the number of goals they might score. Get the service right and the goals should come, but if we get it wrong it won't matter who our strikers are. IMHO the main priority right now is to get the keeper situation sorted and get two center backs, once done move on to the next priority and for me that would be, sort a deal out for Ward and sort a loan deal out for Lingard. The Leo issue will sort it's self out one way or another as it's Leicester's problem and not ours. They either pay what we want or they don't get him, either way we can handle it. Even if Leo were to submit a transfer request, Leicester will still have to pay what we want as I am sure that there is a figure that we simply will not drop below for his services. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 8

2:18pm Thu 10 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

If Ulloa stays, and looking at the players that have gone, it seems to me that we need five players, five without looking to improve on other positions. My five are a keeper, left back, two center backs and a striker, and I am thinking that all of the five should be seen as starters even if they don't start.

The fact that we have not signed players that were available on a, 'free,' could be down to Hyypia needing more time to evaluate the squad, and probably is, but it could also be down to the fact that the plan is to borrow at least three of those we need. I am not a fan of borrowing, I prefer us to buy but after two seasons of making the play-offs, it might be the right way to go.

IMHO a promotion winning squad has to have a few players that are of prem quality, or are at least among the elite of the Champ Div, McCormack being a good example, Upson another. Players of that quality come at a price we probably can't, or won't pay, but our wage structure and transfer budget might allow us to borrow them. If we bought quality we would still have to pay wages at our max level, so perhaps borrowing for this season is the right way to go.
Again IMHO, the reason we missed out on promotion last year was that we just didn't have enough quality running thru the squad. Injuries took their toll, I know that, but even with all those injuries we still created enough goal scoring chances to be challenging for a top two spot, but we didn't put enough of them away.

After two years of reaching the top six we must be aiming for at least that this season and better, and that is going to require an influx of quality for at least three of the five I think we need. If the club are of a similar mind, I doubt that new arrivals will come quickly as our loanees will come from the prem ranks, and they are still trying to sort out their own business, which they will need to complete before they think about who is going out on loan.

Get the borrowing right and buy two quality players and this could be our year for targeting a top two finish, by five average players and we will be left hoping for a top six spot.
If Ulloa stays, and looking at the players that have gone, it seems to me that we need five players, five without looking to improve on other positions. My five are a keeper, left back, two center backs and a striker, and I am thinking that all of the five should be seen as starters even if they don't start. The fact that we have not signed players that were available on a, 'free,' could be down to Hyypia needing more time to evaluate the squad, and probably is, but it could also be down to the fact that the plan is to borrow at least three of those we need. I am not a fan of borrowing, I prefer us to buy but after two seasons of making the play-offs, it might be the right way to go. IMHO a promotion winning squad has to have a few players that are of prem quality, or are at least among the elite of the Champ Div, McCormack being a good example, Upson another. Players of that quality come at a price we probably can't, or won't pay, but our wage structure and transfer budget might allow us to borrow them. If we bought quality we would still have to pay wages at our max level, so perhaps borrowing for this season is the right way to go. Again IMHO, the reason we missed out on promotion last year was that we just didn't have enough quality running thru the squad. Injuries took their toll, I know that, but even with all those injuries we still created enough goal scoring chances to be challenging for a top two spot, but we didn't put enough of them away. After two years of reaching the top six we must be aiming for at least that this season and better, and that is going to require an influx of quality for at least three of the five I think we need. If the club are of a similar mind, I doubt that new arrivals will come quickly as our loanees will come from the prem ranks, and they are still trying to sort out their own business, which they will need to complete before they think about who is going out on loan. Get the borrowing right and buy two quality players and this could be our year for targeting a top two finish, by five average players and we will be left hoping for a top six spot. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

2:47pm Thu 10 Jul 14

SMF20 says...

"No smoke without fire" they say and so for me, it is only a matter of time before Leo moves on.... I'd rather he stayed but as others have said, if his head isn't with us anymore then there is no point trying to keep him.

Lots of talk also about BZ being brought back... As much as I like the guy, I don't think he has the legs anymore, seems to be injured a lot more than he plays... Was this not the reason we let AO and WH go?

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned a hope that Glenn Murray might return. I'd personally love the guy back.... Brilliant front line leader who brings people into play from all over the field. In my mind he made Ash the player he became.

All speculation and opinions as things stand. Here's hoping we have some good news to cheer pretty soon.

Uta
"No smoke without fire" they say and so for me, it is only a matter of time before Leo moves on.... I'd rather he stayed but as others have said, if his head isn't with us anymore then there is no point trying to keep him. Lots of talk also about BZ being brought back... As much as I like the guy, I don't think he has the legs anymore, seems to be injured a lot more than he plays... Was this not the reason we let AO and WH go? I'm surprised that no one has mentioned a hope that Glenn Murray might return. I'd personally love the guy back.... Brilliant front line leader who brings people into play from all over the field. In my mind he made Ash the player he became. All speculation and opinions as things stand. Here's hoping we have some good news to cheer pretty soon. Uta SMF20
  • Score: 3

2:57pm Thu 10 Jul 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Even if the right offer came in for Leo I would not want the club to sell him until we have two new strikers signed up, and Bobby Z would not be one of them. As it stands we have just two strikers, we need three with Fenelon as our fourth option, IMHO.

Walton as our number one keeper looks a tad fanciful to me, I would prefer that we bring in a good keeper as number one, maybe even bring in one more keeper and send Walton out on loan for a year, if we could find a club that would give him plenty of game time, and at his age that might not be too easy to arrange.

Who ever we play up front, and in what ever pattern, the service to the strikers will be pivitol when thinking about the number of goals they might score. Get the service right and the goals should come, but if we get it wrong it won't matter who our strikers are.

IMHO the main priority right now is to get the keeper situation sorted and get two center backs, once done move on to the next priority and for me that would be, sort a deal out for Ward and sort a loan deal out for Lingard.
The Leo issue will sort it's self out one way or another as it's Leicester's problem and not ours. They either pay what we want or they don't get him, either way we can handle it. Even if Leo were to submit a transfer request, Leicester will still have to pay what we want as I am sure that there is a figure that we simply will not drop below for his services.
To take your points one at a time, Vegas, I think if the right offer comes in we should accept without hesitation. (I am going with your recent figure of £8m). We don't know the quality of strikers can we afford until the Leo situation is resolved one way or the other, but money in the Bank would remove that uncertainty.
You are right about Bobby Z. An accomplished player, and a major part of the Club's history, but four goals last season for a top Championship club does not look promising, even if one of them did take them into the Premier League.
The news that Christian Walton had signed a four year deal came as a bit of a surprise after the reported interest from Arsenal. How good is he. Does anyone know? If it is 50% potential, he needs to go out on loan, but as you say, where would a 'keeper that age get game time? It is more likely, that he will be introduced gradually to first team football as 2nd choice to a new signing for the position.
You are spot on about the service our strikers will receive, and Leo looks good for 25 a season if he stays fit, and is provided with enough opportunities. That is why retaining him is the best option, but his mindset is the most important factor in all of this. Circumstances can make a player disillusioned, and no-one can be forced to show an interest, and do their best for a team. Look at Agustien. Leo seems a good type of character, but a loss of commitment, if it happened, would be damaging to the team , and could see his value in the transfer market plummet over the course of the season.
I don't share your confidence that the Leo issue will sort itself out, and that it is Leicester's problem, and not ours. Whether or not he stays is pivotal to the quality of players we can sign this Window. If he is going, an early move would be preferable, otherwise we will have to hope that his mindset hasn't already transferred from the Championship to the Premier League.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Even if the right offer came in for Leo I would not want the club to sell him until we have two new strikers signed up, and Bobby Z would not be one of them. As it stands we have just two strikers, we need three with Fenelon as our fourth option, IMHO. Walton as our number one keeper looks a tad fanciful to me, I would prefer that we bring in a good keeper as number one, maybe even bring in one more keeper and send Walton out on loan for a year, if we could find a club that would give him plenty of game time, and at his age that might not be too easy to arrange. Who ever we play up front, and in what ever pattern, the service to the strikers will be pivitol when thinking about the number of goals they might score. Get the service right and the goals should come, but if we get it wrong it won't matter who our strikers are. IMHO the main priority right now is to get the keeper situation sorted and get two center backs, once done move on to the next priority and for me that would be, sort a deal out for Ward and sort a loan deal out for Lingard. The Leo issue will sort it's self out one way or another as it's Leicester's problem and not ours. They either pay what we want or they don't get him, either way we can handle it. Even if Leo were to submit a transfer request, Leicester will still have to pay what we want as I am sure that there is a figure that we simply will not drop below for his services.[/p][/quote]To take your points one at a time, Vegas, I think if the right offer comes in we should accept without hesitation. (I am going with your recent figure of £8m). We don't know the quality of strikers can we afford until the Leo situation is resolved one way or the other, but money in the Bank would remove that uncertainty. You are right about Bobby Z. An accomplished player, and a major part of the Club's history, but four goals last season for a top Championship club does not look promising, even if one of them did take them into the Premier League. The news that Christian Walton had signed a four year deal came as a bit of a surprise after the reported interest from Arsenal. How good is he. Does anyone know? If it is 50% potential, he needs to go out on loan, but as you say, where would a 'keeper that age get game time? It is more likely, that he will be introduced gradually to first team football as 2nd choice to a new signing for the position. You are spot on about the service our strikers will receive, and Leo looks good for 25 a season if he stays fit, and is provided with enough opportunities. That is why retaining him is the best option, but his mindset is the most important factor in all of this. Circumstances can make a player disillusioned, and no-one can be forced to show an interest, and do their best for a team. Look at Agustien. Leo seems a good type of character, but a loss of commitment, if it happened, would be damaging to the team , and could see his value in the transfer market plummet over the course of the season. I don't share your confidence that the Leo issue will sort itself out, and that it is Leicester's problem, and not ours. Whether or not he stays is pivotal to the quality of players we can sign this Window. If he is going, an early move would be preferable, otherwise we will have to hope that his mindset hasn't already transferred from the Championship to the Premier League. gordongull
  • Score: 2

3:01pm Thu 10 Jul 14

brightonup says...

The Phantom wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
This will come across as hugely controversial but I say SELL Leo, I was not that impressed with him last season (injuries aside) get a whacking fee for him so we can buy other players to strengthen the whole squad. Get Bob Z in on decent wage and play him with CMS.
I agree that the selling of Ulloa is the best way forward now. No point having a disenchanted Ulloa leading the line - was only really effective when he was"at it'. As to the extent of the whacking fee, that remains to be seen. With McCormack going for 11M I would imagine that Ulloa's transfer fee should be proportionate to this. As for Bobby Z coming back.....unfortunate

ly Bob has had his day now and would not be a progressive move forward. Certainly not worth making him our highest paid player - there are better younger players with more potential out there.
Whatever happened to professionalism i.e.

'I want to go to this new job'
Sorry, but we need you until we find a suitable replacement; then that's fine'
'Right, undertood - I'll get back to training'
[quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: This will come across as hugely controversial but I say SELL Leo, I was not that impressed with him last season (injuries aside) get a whacking fee for him so we can buy other players to strengthen the whole squad. Get Bob Z in on decent wage and play him with CMS.[/p][/quote]I agree that the selling of Ulloa is the best way forward now. No point having a disenchanted Ulloa leading the line - was only really effective when he was"at it'. As to the extent of the whacking fee, that remains to be seen. With McCormack going for 11M I would imagine that Ulloa's transfer fee should be proportionate to this. As for Bobby Z coming back.....unfortunate ly Bob has had his day now and would not be a progressive move forward. Certainly not worth making him our highest paid player - there are better younger players with more potential out there.[/p][/quote]Whatever happened to professionalism i.e. 'I want to go to this new job' Sorry, but we need you until we find a suitable replacement; then that's fine' 'Right, undertood - I'll get back to training' brightonup
  • Score: -1

3:08pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

SMF20 wrote:
"No smoke without fire" they say and so for me, it is only a matter of time before Leo moves on.... I'd rather he stayed but as others have said, if his head isn't with us anymore then there is no point trying to keep him.

Lots of talk also about BZ being brought back... As much as I like the guy, I don't think he has the legs anymore, seems to be injured a lot more than he plays... Was this not the reason we let AO and WH go?

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned a hope that Glenn Murray might return. I'd personally love the guy back.... Brilliant front line leader who brings people into play from all over the field. In my mind he made Ash the player he became.

All speculation and opinions as things stand. Here's hoping we have some good news to cheer pretty soon.

Uta
no smoke without fire means all rumours are true.that is total bobbins.cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: "No smoke without fire" they say and so for me, it is only a matter of time before Leo moves on.... I'd rather he stayed but as others have said, if his head isn't with us anymore then there is no point trying to keep him. Lots of talk also about BZ being brought back... As much as I like the guy, I don't think he has the legs anymore, seems to be injured a lot more than he plays... Was this not the reason we let AO and WH go? I'm surprised that no one has mentioned a hope that Glenn Murray might return. I'd personally love the guy back.... Brilliant front line leader who brings people into play from all over the field. In my mind he made Ash the player he became. All speculation and opinions as things stand. Here's hoping we have some good news to cheer pretty soon. Uta[/p][/quote]no smoke without fire means all rumours are true.that is total bobbins.cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 0

3:22pm Thu 10 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Hi Gordon.
The reason why I say that, 'the Leo issue will sort it's self out,' is, I think that if he is to go, if Leicester make the offer we can accept, those in power at the Amex will not tell us until we have the two replacements we will need ready to sign on the same day as Leo moves on. There is a figure that the club will accept and they will buy before Leo goes. To a certain degree the club doesn't have too many choices regarding Leo, as you say, if his head is not in the right place he is of no use to us, so an acceptable bid could force us to sell. My figure of 8 million, if it matches the bottom line figure of the club, might well be the problem, but we don't have to solve that problem, Leicester does. I would place a hefty bet that, during talks with Hyypia, Leo was made aware not only that the club want him to stay, but also what it would take to allow him to go, and if Leo has any sort of self valuation as it pertains to football, he knows that he a price tag around his neck that is right from the club's perspective, as does his agent.
Hi Gordon. The reason why I say that, 'the Leo issue will sort it's self out,' is, I think that if he is to go, if Leicester make the offer we can accept, those in power at the Amex will not tell us until we have the two replacements we will need ready to sign on the same day as Leo moves on. There is a figure that the club will accept and they will buy before Leo goes. To a certain degree the club doesn't have too many choices regarding Leo, as you say, if his head is not in the right place he is of no use to us, so an acceptable bid could force us to sell. My figure of 8 million, if it matches the bottom line figure of the club, might well be the problem, but we don't have to solve that problem, Leicester does. I would place a hefty bet that, during talks with Hyypia, Leo was made aware not only that the club want him to stay, but also what it would take to allow him to go, and if Leo has any sort of self valuation as it pertains to football, he knows that he a price tag around his neck that is right from the club's perspective, as does his agent. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

3:29pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Swap deal Ulloa for Nugent, Ulloa's mind is on the premier league now anyway.
told you that has he.cockwomble
It's obvious from the body language, look at the photo, it tells a thousand words.
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: Swap deal Ulloa for Nugent, Ulloa's mind is on the premier league now anyway.[/p][/quote]told you that has he.cockwomble[/p][/quote]It's obvious from the body language, look at the photo, it tells a thousand words. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -5

3:56pm Thu 10 Jul 14

BNJuan says...

He's good but not great. Probably a good time to sell him if the money is then spend wisely. Squad needs strengthening with quite a few more players and 7-10 million could go a long way.

I would be looking at the Prem to pick up out if contract players- no transfer fee and the Ulloa fee the club receives could fund new players' wages.
He's good but not great. Probably a good time to sell him if the money is then spend wisely. Squad needs strengthening with quite a few more players and 7-10 million could go a long way. I would be looking at the Prem to pick up out if contract players- no transfer fee and the Ulloa fee the club receives could fund new players' wages. BNJuan
  • Score: -1

4:02pm Thu 10 Jul 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Hi Gordon.
The reason why I say that, 'the Leo issue will sort it's self out,' is, I think that if he is to go, if Leicester make the offer we can accept, those in power at the Amex will not tell us until we have the two replacements we will need ready to sign on the same day as Leo moves on. There is a figure that the club will accept and they will buy before Leo goes. To a certain degree the club doesn't have too many choices regarding Leo, as you say, if his head is not in the right place he is of no use to us, so an acceptable bid could force us to sell. My figure of 8 million, if it matches the bottom line figure of the club, might well be the problem, but we don't have to solve that problem, Leicester does. I would place a hefty bet that, during talks with Hyypia, Leo was made aware not only that the club want him to stay, but also what it would take to allow him to go, and if Leo has any sort of self valuation as it pertains to football, he knows that he a price tag around his neck that is right from the club's perspective, as does his agent.
I am a little concerned at the possibility of Leo getting a transfer late in the Window, Vegas, by which time I expect our team will be mostly assembled. The squad would not be as good as if the fee for Ulloa had been available earlier. The money would be in the Bank, but if we are doing OK in January, it might never be re-invested in the team.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hi Gordon. The reason why I say that, 'the Leo issue will sort it's self out,' is, I think that if he is to go, if Leicester make the offer we can accept, those in power at the Amex will not tell us until we have the two replacements we will need ready to sign on the same day as Leo moves on. There is a figure that the club will accept and they will buy before Leo goes. To a certain degree the club doesn't have too many choices regarding Leo, as you say, if his head is not in the right place he is of no use to us, so an acceptable bid could force us to sell. My figure of 8 million, if it matches the bottom line figure of the club, might well be the problem, but we don't have to solve that problem, Leicester does. I would place a hefty bet that, during talks with Hyypia, Leo was made aware not only that the club want him to stay, but also what it would take to allow him to go, and if Leo has any sort of self valuation as it pertains to football, he knows that he a price tag around his neck that is right from the club's perspective, as does his agent.[/p][/quote]I am a little concerned at the possibility of Leo getting a transfer late in the Window, Vegas, by which time I expect our team will be mostly assembled. The squad would not be as good as if the fee for Ulloa had been available earlier. The money would be in the Bank, but if we are doing OK in January, it might never be re-invested in the team. gordongull
  • Score: 1

4:04pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Jules boy says...

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
seagullsays wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote:
They say : If it's not broke don't fix it" So why sell Leo who knows how we play then have to use most of the selling fee to bring in a quaility replacment who starts from scratch?
We really only need a back up keeper and have to have faith in the ones we have.
With Leo and CMS up front I don't really see a major problem to score goals, we have a solid defence and no reason why we should not finish again in the top six!!
If the price is right, Leo will go. Simple as that. Football is a business, and if it makes business sense, it doesn't matter what we think.

With regards to the goalkeeper, who do you think is out our number 1 keeper then, if we only need back-up? Ankergren is only good enough as a back up keeper for a team with our aspirations, and Walton is an inexperienced 18 year old. Whilst he shows a great potential, there's no way SH will take a chance on him being our number 1. A goalkeeper, a centre back and a leftback are the major holes that need filling in my view, with the keeper the most important.
I thought that Walton would be the one, he seems from all reports to be sound in the sticks and everyone has to be given the chance at some time to prove themselves as No1 . If we don't use our young players then we are wasting talent. Many of the top players don't wait there 21st birthday to prove they are worthy to play so why hold back on our youngsters? Players like N Butt and D Beckham got there chance early with MU so why not Walton with B&HA?
Yup, if he's good why not release that potential now, a football career is a short one.
[quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seagullsays[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: They say : If it's not broke don't fix it" So why sell Leo who knows how we play then have to use most of the selling fee to bring in a quaility replacment who starts from scratch? We really only need a back up keeper and have to have faith in the ones we have. With Leo and CMS up front I don't really see a major problem to score goals, we have a solid defence and no reason why we should not finish again in the top six!![/p][/quote]If the price is right, Leo will go. Simple as that. Football is a business, and if it makes business sense, it doesn't matter what we think. With regards to the goalkeeper, who do you think is out our number 1 keeper then, if we only need back-up? Ankergren is only good enough as a back up keeper for a team with our aspirations, and Walton is an inexperienced 18 year old. Whilst he shows a great potential, there's no way SH will take a chance on him being our number 1. A goalkeeper, a centre back and a leftback are the major holes that need filling in my view, with the keeper the most important.[/p][/quote]I thought that Walton would be the one, he seems from all reports to be sound in the sticks and everyone has to be given the chance at some time to prove themselves as No1 . If we don't use our young players then we are wasting talent. Many of the top players don't wait there 21st birthday to prove they are worthy to play so why hold back on our youngsters? Players like N Butt and D Beckham got there chance early with MU so why not Walton with B&HA?[/p][/quote]Yup, if he's good why not release that potential now, a football career is a short one. Jules boy
  • Score: -1

4:31pm Thu 10 Jul 14

gordongull says...

I am anticipating that our number one 'keeper will be busier than usual this season so experience will be vital.
I can't see Sami's goalkeeper getting the same protection as he would in a Garcia team. Sami will want players in the opposition half.
I am anticipating that our number one 'keeper will be busier than usual this season so experience will be vital. I can't see Sami's goalkeeper getting the same protection as he would in a Garcia team. Sami will want players in the opposition half. gordongull
  • Score: 0

4:37pm Thu 10 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Hi Gordon.
The reason why I say that, 'the Leo issue will sort it's self out,' is, I think that if he is to go, if Leicester make the offer we can accept, those in power at the Amex will not tell us until we have the two replacements we will need ready to sign on the same day as Leo moves on. There is a figure that the club will accept and they will buy before Leo goes. To a certain degree the club doesn't have too many choices regarding Leo, as you say, if his head is not in the right place he is of no use to us, so an acceptable bid could force us to sell. My figure of 8 million, if it matches the bottom line figure of the club, might well be the problem, but we don't have to solve that problem, Leicester does. I would place a hefty bet that, during talks with Hyypia, Leo was made aware not only that the club want him to stay, but also what it would take to allow him to go, and if Leo has any sort of self valuation as it pertains to football, he knows that he a price tag around his neck that is right from the club's perspective, as does his agent.
I am a little concerned at the possibility of Leo getting a transfer late in the Window, Vegas, by which time I expect our team will be mostly assembled. The squad would not be as good as if the fee for Ulloa had been available earlier. The money would be in the Bank, but if we are doing OK in January, it might never be re-invested in the team.
Yes I can see why a, 'late sale,' could cause us problems but my guess is, and it's only a guess, a late sale of Leo would only come about if we knew it was going to happen. In other words, a deal gets struck in the near future but is kept under wraps thus giving us time to bring in a suitable replacement. It would not be in our interest to announce to the world that we have just come into some big money, possible targets would quickly see a price hike.
Again I am only guessing but, would the club actualy agree to a late sale if it were not planned, Leicester, or any club, might just leave it all too late. The possible sale of Ulloa has to be handled carefully, it will be the biggest deal our club has ever done, and selling Ulloa without having a replacement lined up would look bad in the eyes of the fans. I think a very late bid might get deferred to the January window, with all parties re-evaluating their circumstances at that time. I think the arrival of a striker at the Amex is a given, no matter what happens re Leo. By, 'striker,' I mean a forward or a player such as Lingard.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hi Gordon. The reason why I say that, 'the Leo issue will sort it's self out,' is, I think that if he is to go, if Leicester make the offer we can accept, those in power at the Amex will not tell us until we have the two replacements we will need ready to sign on the same day as Leo moves on. There is a figure that the club will accept and they will buy before Leo goes. To a certain degree the club doesn't have too many choices regarding Leo, as you say, if his head is not in the right place he is of no use to us, so an acceptable bid could force us to sell. My figure of 8 million, if it matches the bottom line figure of the club, might well be the problem, but we don't have to solve that problem, Leicester does. I would place a hefty bet that, during talks with Hyypia, Leo was made aware not only that the club want him to stay, but also what it would take to allow him to go, and if Leo has any sort of self valuation as it pertains to football, he knows that he a price tag around his neck that is right from the club's perspective, as does his agent.[/p][/quote]I am a little concerned at the possibility of Leo getting a transfer late in the Window, Vegas, by which time I expect our team will be mostly assembled. The squad would not be as good as if the fee for Ulloa had been available earlier. The money would be in the Bank, but if we are doing OK in January, it might never be re-invested in the team.[/p][/quote]Yes I can see why a, 'late sale,' could cause us problems but my guess is, and it's only a guess, a late sale of Leo would only come about if we knew it was going to happen. In other words, a deal gets struck in the near future but is kept under wraps thus giving us time to bring in a suitable replacement. It would not be in our interest to announce to the world that we have just come into some big money, possible targets would quickly see a price hike. Again I am only guessing but, would the club actualy agree to a late sale if it were not planned, Leicester, or any club, might just leave it all too late. The possible sale of Ulloa has to be handled carefully, it will be the biggest deal our club has ever done, and selling Ulloa without having a replacement lined up would look bad in the eyes of the fans. I think a very late bid might get deferred to the January window, with all parties re-evaluating their circumstances at that time. I think the arrival of a striker at the Amex is a given, no matter what happens re Leo. By, 'striker,' I mean a forward or a player such as Lingard. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

5:04pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Swap deal Ulloa for Nugent, Ulloa's mind is on the premier league now anyway.
told you that has he.cockwomble
It's obvious from the body language, look at the photo, it tells a thousand words.
you can tell precisely what hes thinking?youre still a massive cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: Swap deal Ulloa for Nugent, Ulloa's mind is on the premier league now anyway.[/p][/quote]told you that has he.cockwomble[/p][/quote]It's obvious from the body language, look at the photo, it tells a thousand words.[/p][/quote]you can tell precisely what hes thinking?youre still a massive cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 3

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