Albion knock back Leicester bid for Ulloa while Hyypia chases his own targets

Leicester have cranked up their pursuit of Leo Ulloa

Leicester have cranked up their pursuit of Leo Ulloa

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Albion last night turned down Leicester City’s latest bid for Leo Ulloa.

But the Foxes are expected to retain interest in the Seagulls striker after seeing an offer believed to be in excess of £6million knocked back.

Ulloa is currently hard at work with the Albion squad in Spain, where they face Partick Thistle tomorrow in their second pre-season friendly of the summer.

The Foxes are convinced the lure of top-flight football could help them land the Argentinean, who is keen to play in the Premier League.

But Albion have insisted they have no pressing need or desire to sell.

Other clubs are likely to be interested in Ulloa, which would make it in Leicester’s interest to tie up a deal as soon as possible as the Premier League transfer market starts to crank into gear.

Leicester made their latest bid just a day after securing their out-of-contract top scorer David Nugent on a new two-year deal.

The Argus have been told it is not necessarily a final offer.

Albion boss Sami Hyypia last night told fans he was working hard to add to his squad.

Hyypia said: “We will inform everyone when we are 100% sure something happens.

“We are working every day for it.

“I’m in contact with (chief executive) Paul Barber and (head of football operations) David Burke every day and I am waiting for good news.”

Meanwhile, Bristol City manager Steve Cotterill has played down the absence of striker Sam Baldock from his team's midweek friendly.

Baldock was subject of an undisclosed bid from the Seagulls recently and trained on Wednesday rather than featuring in the game against Weston-super-Mare.

Cotterill insisted Baldock would be ready for action when City go on pre-season tour to Botswana.

He said: "He's our player. He just needed training minutes under his belt."

Albion's development squad play a friendly against Japan under-21s at La Manga today (6pm BST).

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5:16am Fri 11 Jul 14

Ripe seagull. says...

Excellent news! Shows we wont be pushed around and will only sell on our terms!
Excellent news! Shows we wont be pushed around and will only sell on our terms! Ripe seagull.
  • Score: 24

5:54am Fri 11 Jul 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Excellent indeed. Also shows that Sami is working to a plan and the club are backing him. It'll be interesting to see if they, or others, come in with an even bigger offer - I suspect Gus might just be watching events carefully before picking his moment. Will we sell to a bid less than, say, £8m? Doesn't look like it. But would we sell between £8m and £10m? Probably... we watch this space with interest. Meanwhile he is our player with a long time remaining on his contract and it will be up to a club to come in at a level which we can't refuse.

Good decision! We remain very much in the driving seat on this one.

UTA!!
Excellent indeed. Also shows that Sami is working to a plan and the club are backing him. It'll be interesting to see if they, or others, come in with an even bigger offer - I suspect Gus might just be watching events carefully before picking his moment. Will we sell to a bid less than, say, £8m? Doesn't look like it. But would we sell between £8m and £10m? Probably... we watch this space with interest. Meanwhile he is our player with a long time remaining on his contract and it will be up to a club to come in at a level which we can't refuse. Good decision! We remain very much in the driving seat on this one. UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 23

6:55am Fri 11 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

Who would off thought Brighton would be in the position to turn a the biggest offer they ever had for a player, haven't times changed, well done the board for having the balls to say no at that price, nice to see were not being forced to sell, let's add quality rather than lose quality, like someone said Leeds have set the bench mark when they sold Ross to Fulham (championship club 11 million)
Why should we be mugged off by Leicester in premiership, you seriously want him show us a lot more than the last bid!!
Up the Albion!!
Who would off thought Brighton would be in the position to turn a the biggest offer they ever had for a player, haven't times changed, well done the board for having the balls to say no at that price, nice to see were not being forced to sell, let's add quality rather than lose quality, like someone said Leeds have set the bench mark when they sold Ross to Fulham (championship club 11 million) Why should we be mugged off by Leicester in premiership, you seriously want him show us a lot more than the last bid!! Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 37

7:14am Fri 11 Jul 14

arc12 says...

My major concern this summer is not that I worry that we are leaving things late to bring in replacements, but more surrounding the quality of those replacements.

The club seem to be entrenched in the desire to follow their method of scanning the market, evaluating, and then making suggestions to the manager as to who might be available – as seen on some of the Seagulls player footage from the past. BUT, and this is my concern, quite a number of players sourced or found who have come into the club have been of very poor quality or rarely been used such as Rodriguez, Agustien, Lita, & Obika. I know there have been some hits made via this process, but I have little faith in the clubs ability to target players who are really going to make an impact. I think our recruitment policy needs a serious overhaul to avoid more Obikas and Rodriguez’s this season.

We cannot afford to be carrying dead weight – I just hope those players the club are targeting behind the scenes are of decent quality who will enhance our side, not just make up the numbers. Even Baldock for example who I know had a good league 1 record I feel would have been a waste at Championship level and think we may have dodged an expensive bullet in this case. I know the club are not going to get all signings right and there will always be a few duff players brought in, but on balance I don’t think our ‘hit’ rate has been particularly impressive over the last couple of years.
My major concern this summer is not that I worry that we are leaving things late to bring in replacements, but more surrounding the quality of those replacements. The club seem to be entrenched in the desire to follow their method of scanning the market, evaluating, and then making suggestions to the manager as to who might be available – as seen on some of the Seagulls player footage from the past. BUT, and this is my concern, quite a number of players sourced or found who have come into the club have been of very poor quality or rarely been used such as Rodriguez, Agustien, Lita, & Obika. I know there have been some hits made via this process, but I have little faith in the clubs ability to target players who are really going to make an impact. I think our recruitment policy needs a serious overhaul to avoid more Obikas and Rodriguez’s this season. We cannot afford to be carrying dead weight – I just hope those players the club are targeting behind the scenes are of decent quality who will enhance our side, not just make up the numbers. Even Baldock for example who I know had a good league 1 record I feel would have been a waste at Championship level and think we may have dodged an expensive bullet in this case. I know the club are not going to get all signings right and there will always be a few duff players brought in, but on balance I don’t think our ‘hit’ rate has been particularly impressive over the last couple of years. arc12
  • Score: 19

7:50am Fri 11 Jul 14

Eddy B says...

I like Ulloa and think he definately adds alot more than just his goals up front and it will be interesting how Hyppia plans to use him with possibly another striker, but £8m? Would be very tempted to cash in and reinvest. If that happens I would not be certain he'd make much impact in the premiership at a team which is likely to be near the bottom.
I like Ulloa and think he definately adds alot more than just his goals up front and it will be interesting how Hyppia plans to use him with possibly another striker, but £8m? Would be very tempted to cash in and reinvest. If that happens I would not be certain he'd make much impact in the premiership at a team which is likely to be near the bottom. Eddy B
  • Score: 9

7:55am Fri 11 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Who would off thought Brighton would be in the position to turn a the biggest offer they ever had for a player, haven't times changed, well done the board for having the balls to say no at that price, nice to see were not being forced to sell, let's add quality rather than lose quality, like someone said Leeds have set the bench mark when they sold Ross to Fulham (championship club 11 million)
Why should we be mugged off by Leicester in premiership, you seriously want him show us a lot more than the last bid!!
Up the Albion!!
Good point.
A long time ago, but with near insolvent situtaions in times past, clubs were able to cherry pick from us and pay fees way below the true rate justified by the players class/ability at the time - Case, Saunders, probably others. The club was a hostage to its bank.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Who would off thought Brighton would be in the position to turn a the biggest offer they ever had for a player, haven't times changed, well done the board for having the balls to say no at that price, nice to see were not being forced to sell, let's add quality rather than lose quality, like someone said Leeds have set the bench mark when they sold Ross to Fulham (championship club 11 million) Why should we be mugged off by Leicester in premiership, you seriously want him show us a lot more than the last bid!! Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Good point. A long time ago, but with near insolvent situtaions in times past, clubs were able to cherry pick from us and pay fees way below the true rate justified by the players class/ability at the time - Case, Saunders, probably others. The club was a hostage to its bank. Withdean-er
  • Score: 10

8:10am Fri 11 Jul 14

Whydontukick off says...

So we've upped our offer for Baldock ?..............Thats better news !
So we've upped our offer for Baldock ?..............Thats better news ! Whydontukick off
  • Score: -3

8:11am Fri 11 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

Withdean-er wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Who would off thought Brighton would be in the position to turn a the biggest offer they ever had for a player, haven't times changed, well done the board for having the balls to say no at that price, nice to see were not being forced to sell, let's add quality rather than lose quality, like someone said Leeds have set the bench mark when they sold Ross to Fulham (championship club 11 million)
Why should we be mugged off by Leicester in premiership, you seriously want him show us a lot more than the last bid!!
Up the Albion!!
Good point.
A long time ago, but with near insolvent situtaions in times past, clubs were able to cherry pick from us and pay fees way below the true rate justified by the players class/ability at the time - Case, Saunders, probably others. The club was a hostage to its bank.
Exactly we always used to have the big bad wolf at the door wanting our money to pay off debt, make no mistake we've still got debt but it's controlled a lot better than the past years gone buy, Leo will leave and I have no problem with that but only on our terms and a decent price that's right for the club,
Up the Albion!!
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Who would off thought Brighton would be in the position to turn a the biggest offer they ever had for a player, haven't times changed, well done the board for having the balls to say no at that price, nice to see were not being forced to sell, let's add quality rather than lose quality, like someone said Leeds have set the bench mark when they sold Ross to Fulham (championship club 11 million) Why should we be mugged off by Leicester in premiership, you seriously want him show us a lot more than the last bid!! Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Good point. A long time ago, but with near insolvent situtaions in times past, clubs were able to cherry pick from us and pay fees way below the true rate justified by the players class/ability at the time - Case, Saunders, probably others. The club was a hostage to its bank.[/p][/quote]Exactly we always used to have the big bad wolf at the door wanting our money to pay off debt, make no mistake we've still got debt but it's controlled a lot better than the past years gone buy, Leo will leave and I have no problem with that but only on our terms and a decent price that's right for the club, Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 8

8:13am Fri 11 Jul 14

albionica says...

Albion are getting this quite right. He is worth in excess of £7.5m, to us at least. Remember McCormack went for 11.
Why should we get the bum end of every deal?
Let leicester pay over the odds if they wish, or he stays with us. Great to see albion not bottling it and getting pushed around.
Albion are getting this quite right. He is worth in excess of £7.5m, to us at least. Remember McCormack went for 11. Why should we get the bum end of every deal? Let leicester pay over the odds if they wish, or he stays with us. Great to see albion not bottling it and getting pushed around. albionica
  • Score: 11

8:34am Fri 11 Jul 14

Max Ripple says...

It's funny, only a week or so ago it was suggested that we had turned down an offer of around £7 million for Leo. Now it's gone down to £6 million. If Leo goes Leo goes and if we can make around £8 + million for him then that would be great but I am sorely afraid that the money will not be reinvested in more players to fill the gap. I look at the Argus every day for some positive news regarding transfers in and every day I read the same thing about us " looking at players, evaluating, assessing" and sometimes having a bid turned down.
However, I know we don't want to make more mistakes like last season. If we did that we could end up three or four players sitting around costing us upwards of £30-40k a week whilst we struggle to make headway in the league and abide by FFP at the same time. I am concerned that the clubs scouting is maybe not as good as it could be.
It's funny, only a week or so ago it was suggested that we had turned down an offer of around £7 million for Leo. Now it's gone down to £6 million. If Leo goes Leo goes and if we can make around £8 + million for him then that would be great but I am sorely afraid that the money will not be reinvested in more players to fill the gap. I look at the Argus every day for some positive news regarding transfers in and every day I read the same thing about us " looking at players, evaluating, assessing" and sometimes having a bid turned down. However, I know we don't want to make more mistakes like last season. If we did that we could end up three or four players sitting around costing us upwards of £30-40k a week whilst we struggle to make headway in the league and abide by FFP at the same time. I am concerned that the clubs scouting is maybe not as good as it could be. Max Ripple
  • Score: 12

8:43am Fri 11 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

The saga continues, we keep hold of Ulloa but he will become more and more disgruntled at being denied his move to the premier league and will simply not try on the pitch,we will be lucky to get much more than 6 million, better to cash in and use the money for the best striker we can lay our hands off, not Baldock he is not worth 2 million! Why do we always start every season under a cloud?
The saga continues, we keep hold of Ulloa but he will become more and more disgruntled at being denied his move to the premier league and will simply not try on the pitch,we will be lucky to get much more than 6 million, better to cash in and use the money for the best striker we can lay our hands off, not Baldock he is not worth 2 million! Why do we always start every season under a cloud? Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -6

8:47am Fri 11 Jul 14

arc12 says...

Max Ripple wrote:
It's funny, only a week or so ago it was suggested that we had turned down an offer of around £7 million for Leo. Now it's gone down to £6 million. If Leo goes Leo goes and if we can make around £8 + million for him then that would be great but I am sorely afraid that the money will not be reinvested in more players to fill the gap. I look at the Argus every day for some positive news regarding transfers in and every day I read the same thing about us " looking at players, evaluating, assessing" and sometimes having a bid turned down.
However, I know we don't want to make more mistakes like last season. If we did that we could end up three or four players sitting around costing us upwards of £30-40k a week whilst we struggle to make headway in the league and abide by FFP at the same time. I am concerned that the clubs scouting is maybe not as good as it could be.
I tend to agree - I worry about our ability to target suitable players who we can afford and who will have an impact.

All the behind the scenes stuff showing how the club can pull up details of players and their history, performance stats etc all sounds very scientific, but how did it lead to us going after Obika and Rodriquez last year?

We’re not going to get it right all the time but I worry about the decision making process and the clubs assessment of players they think are suitable. I seriously hope I’m proven wrong and we recruit a handful of really useful and effective players, but I’m not holding my breath.
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: It's funny, only a week or so ago it was suggested that we had turned down an offer of around £7 million for Leo. Now it's gone down to £6 million. If Leo goes Leo goes and if we can make around £8 + million for him then that would be great but I am sorely afraid that the money will not be reinvested in more players to fill the gap. I look at the Argus every day for some positive news regarding transfers in and every day I read the same thing about us " looking at players, evaluating, assessing" and sometimes having a bid turned down. However, I know we don't want to make more mistakes like last season. If we did that we could end up three or four players sitting around costing us upwards of £30-40k a week whilst we struggle to make headway in the league and abide by FFP at the same time. I am concerned that the clubs scouting is maybe not as good as it could be.[/p][/quote]I tend to agree - I worry about our ability to target suitable players who we can afford and who will have an impact. All the behind the scenes stuff showing how the club can pull up details of players and their history, performance stats etc all sounds very scientific, but how did it lead to us going after Obika and Rodriquez last year? We’re not going to get it right all the time but I worry about the decision making process and the clubs assessment of players they think are suitable. I seriously hope I’m proven wrong and we recruit a handful of really useful and effective players, but I’m not holding my breath. arc12
  • Score: 6

8:52am Fri 11 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Withdean-er wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Who would off thought Brighton would be in the position to turn a the biggest offer they ever had for a player, haven't times changed, well done the board for having the balls to say no at that price, nice to see were not being forced to sell, let's add quality rather than lose quality, like someone said Leeds have set the bench mark when they sold Ross to Fulham (championship club 11 million)
Why should we be mugged off by Leicester in premiership, you seriously want him show us a lot more than the last bid!!
Up the Albion!!
Good point.
A long time ago, but with near insolvent situtaions in times past, clubs were able to cherry pick from us and pay fees way below the true rate justified by the players class/ability at the time - Case, Saunders, probably others. The club was a hostage to its bank.
Exactly we always used to have the big bad wolf at the door wanting our money to pay off debt, make no mistake we've still got debt but it's controlled a lot better than the past years gone buy, Leo will leave and I have no problem with that but only on our terms and a decent price that's right for the club,
Up the Albion!!
And the 'debt' is owed just to TB, is interest free, long term and in reality TB will never call the 'debt' in.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Who would off thought Brighton would be in the position to turn a the biggest offer they ever had for a player, haven't times changed, well done the board for having the balls to say no at that price, nice to see were not being forced to sell, let's add quality rather than lose quality, like someone said Leeds have set the bench mark when they sold Ross to Fulham (championship club 11 million) Why should we be mugged off by Leicester in premiership, you seriously want him show us a lot more than the last bid!! Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Good point. A long time ago, but with near insolvent situtaions in times past, clubs were able to cherry pick from us and pay fees way below the true rate justified by the players class/ability at the time - Case, Saunders, probably others. The club was a hostage to its bank.[/p][/quote]Exactly we always used to have the big bad wolf at the door wanting our money to pay off debt, make no mistake we've still got debt but it's controlled a lot better than the past years gone buy, Leo will leave and I have no problem with that but only on our terms and a decent price that's right for the club, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]And the 'debt' is owed just to TB, is interest free, long term and in reality TB will never call the 'debt' in. Withdean-er
  • Score: 1

9:19am Fri 11 Jul 14

the taffster says...

I find it hard to see what if any players would be happy to play for a club with a limited wage structure like we have.....we should be recruiting players that are ex premiership or rising stars....not championship fodder...the problem you have then ,is if you do get promoted the players have effectively made themselves redundant.... So there is the argument for aiming higher,breaking the wage barrier and paying for quality.....
I find it hard to see what if any players would be happy to play for a club with a limited wage structure like we have.....we should be recruiting players that are ex premiership or rising stars....not championship fodder...the problem you have then ,is if you do get promoted the players have effectively made themselves redundant.... So there is the argument for aiming higher,breaking the wage barrier and paying for quality..... the taffster
  • Score: 3

9:21am Fri 11 Jul 14

tug509 says...

I believe the reason we have so much trouble bringing in quality players ,is because of who is choosing our targets , B&B ! ,don't forget they get a very large bonus on monies not spent , how can that not be in conflict with buying the best available ,when a cheaper proposition will mean it benefits them personally ! .
The proof has already been said above ,players like Lita ,Obika ,Rodriguez , Agustien ,and now we are interested in Baldock at an inflated price ,because he is a cheaper option ,but who else has shown interest in him ? you cant help but wonder why .
This cut price bargain basement attitude has scared off 2 good managers already ,I like Sami and truly believe he can do some real good ,so B&B don't short change him or maybe TB will see the pattern and make you the next !. UTA
I believe the reason we have so much trouble bringing in quality players ,is because of who is choosing our targets , B&B ! ,don't forget they get a very large bonus on monies not spent , how can that not be in conflict with buying the best available ,when a cheaper proposition will mean it benefits them personally ! . The proof has already been said above ,players like Lita ,Obika ,Rodriguez , Agustien ,and now we are interested in Baldock at an inflated price ,because he is a cheaper option ,but who else has shown interest in him ? you cant help but wonder why . This cut price bargain basement attitude has scared off 2 good managers already ,I like Sami and truly believe he can do some real good ,so B&B don't short change him or maybe TB will see the pattern and make you the next !. UTA tug509
  • Score: -7

9:31am Fri 11 Jul 14

AlanDuffy says...

arc12 wrote:
My major concern this summer is not that I worry that we are leaving things late to bring in replacements, but more surrounding the quality of those replacements.

The club seem to be entrenched in the desire to follow their method of scanning the market, evaluating, and then making suggestions to the manager as to who might be available – as seen on some of the Seagulls player footage from the past. BUT, and this is my concern, quite a number of players sourced or found who have come into the club have been of very poor quality or rarely been used such as Rodriguez, Agustien, Lita, & Obika. I know there have been some hits made via this process, but I have little faith in the clubs ability to target players who are really going to make an impact. I think our recruitment policy needs a serious overhaul to avoid more Obikas and Rodriguez’s this season.

We cannot afford to be carrying dead weight – I just hope those players the club are targeting behind the scenes are of decent quality who will enhance our side, not just make up the numbers. Even Baldock for example who I know had a good league 1 record I feel would have been a waste at Championship level and think we may have dodged an expensive bullet in this case. I know the club are not going to get all signings right and there will always be a few duff players brought in, but on balance I don’t think our ‘hit’ rate has been particularly impressive over the last couple of years.
Ulloa, bought for £2m, now worth £7.5m +? Bridcutt -free, sold £2.5-3m, can't always get it right and I agree there's been a few spectacular misses. Still think it's a shame we didn't get Van Diik, would've been an assett for 2 years and sold on at massive profit.
[quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: My major concern this summer is not that I worry that we are leaving things late to bring in replacements, but more surrounding the quality of those replacements. The club seem to be entrenched in the desire to follow their method of scanning the market, evaluating, and then making suggestions to the manager as to who might be available – as seen on some of the Seagulls player footage from the past. BUT, and this is my concern, quite a number of players sourced or found who have come into the club have been of very poor quality or rarely been used such as Rodriguez, Agustien, Lita, & Obika. I know there have been some hits made via this process, but I have little faith in the clubs ability to target players who are really going to make an impact. I think our recruitment policy needs a serious overhaul to avoid more Obikas and Rodriguez’s this season. We cannot afford to be carrying dead weight – I just hope those players the club are targeting behind the scenes are of decent quality who will enhance our side, not just make up the numbers. Even Baldock for example who I know had a good league 1 record I feel would have been a waste at Championship level and think we may have dodged an expensive bullet in this case. I know the club are not going to get all signings right and there will always be a few duff players brought in, but on balance I don’t think our ‘hit’ rate has been particularly impressive over the last couple of years.[/p][/quote]Ulloa, bought for £2m, now worth £7.5m +? Bridcutt -free, sold £2.5-3m, can't always get it right and I agree there's been a few spectacular misses. Still think it's a shame we didn't get Van Diik, would've been an assett for 2 years and sold on at massive profit. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 5

9:40am Fri 11 Jul 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

And we have added ?????? To the squad meanwhile back at the Ranch Messers Burke and Barber are doing what exactly?
And we have added ?????? To the squad meanwhile back at the Ranch Messers Burke and Barber are doing what exactly? Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: -12

9:52am Fri 11 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion JeffLomer
  • Score: 16

9:57am Fri 11 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
arc12 wrote:
My major concern this summer is not that I worry that we are leaving things late to bring in replacements, but more surrounding the quality of those replacements.

The club seem to be entrenched in the desire to follow their method of scanning the market, evaluating, and then making suggestions to the manager as to who might be available – as seen on some of the Seagulls player footage from the past. BUT, and this is my concern, quite a number of players sourced or found who have come into the club have been of very poor quality or rarely been used such as Rodriguez, Agustien, Lita, & Obika. I know there have been some hits made via this process, but I have little faith in the clubs ability to target players who are really going to make an impact. I think our recruitment policy needs a serious overhaul to avoid more Obikas and Rodriguez’s this season.

We cannot afford to be carrying dead weight – I just hope those players the club are targeting behind the scenes are of decent quality who will enhance our side, not just make up the numbers. Even Baldock for example who I know had a good league 1 record I feel would have been a waste at Championship level and think we may have dodged an expensive bullet in this case. I know the club are not going to get all signings right and there will always be a few duff players brought in, but on balance I don’t think our ‘hit’ rate has been particularly impressive over the last couple of years.
Ulloa, bought for £2m, now worth £7.5m +? Bridcutt -free, sold £2.5-3m, can't always get it right and I agree there's been a few spectacular misses. Still think it's a shame we didn't get Van Diik, would've been an assett for 2 years and sold on at massive profit.
Van Dijk was never coming to us. It was a Poyet hope, as he went round blowing TB's cash, often unwisely. Van Dijk considered it to be a step up playing in front of 60,000 republicans, in a one horse Scottish race and CL football. Not good enough then for proper football in the PL, but he bettered Championship wages. He was not an unknown then. The media / his agent was always hyping him up, so he was never going to join a Championship club with relatively moderate income and wages.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: My major concern this summer is not that I worry that we are leaving things late to bring in replacements, but more surrounding the quality of those replacements. The club seem to be entrenched in the desire to follow their method of scanning the market, evaluating, and then making suggestions to the manager as to who might be available – as seen on some of the Seagulls player footage from the past. BUT, and this is my concern, quite a number of players sourced or found who have come into the club have been of very poor quality or rarely been used such as Rodriguez, Agustien, Lita, & Obika. I know there have been some hits made via this process, but I have little faith in the clubs ability to target players who are really going to make an impact. I think our recruitment policy needs a serious overhaul to avoid more Obikas and Rodriguez’s this season. We cannot afford to be carrying dead weight – I just hope those players the club are targeting behind the scenes are of decent quality who will enhance our side, not just make up the numbers. Even Baldock for example who I know had a good league 1 record I feel would have been a waste at Championship level and think we may have dodged an expensive bullet in this case. I know the club are not going to get all signings right and there will always be a few duff players brought in, but on balance I don’t think our ‘hit’ rate has been particularly impressive over the last couple of years.[/p][/quote]Ulloa, bought for £2m, now worth £7.5m +? Bridcutt -free, sold £2.5-3m, can't always get it right and I agree there's been a few spectacular misses. Still think it's a shame we didn't get Van Diik, would've been an assett for 2 years and sold on at massive profit.[/p][/quote]Van Dijk was never coming to us. It was a Poyet hope, as he went round blowing TB's cash, often unwisely. Van Dijk considered it to be a step up playing in front of 60,000 republicans, in a one horse Scottish race and CL football. Not good enough then for proper football in the PL, but he bettered Championship wages. He was not an unknown then. The media / his agent was always hyping him up, so he was never going to join a Championship club with relatively moderate income and wages. Withdean-er
  • Score: 1

10:00am Fri 11 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

JeffLomer wrote:
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
I think a lot of the grief Burke gets in particular is ignorance of what he does, and that is all the ammo some people need. Listening to the Albion Roar podcast (I think...) he gave great insight into what he does and the processes involved. No-one should really slag him off if they can't be bothered to listen to that first.

And every time I've seen Barber interviewed he has come over really well, and has a wonderful reputation of replying - in length - to letters/emails he received from fans. Not only that he seems to be highly rated by his peers at other clubs. That, with TB's opinion of him, is easily good enough for me.

(Cue a certain someone slating me now for buying into the Albion PR hype machine, or whatever he calls it.)
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion[/p][/quote]I think a lot of the grief Burke gets in particular is ignorance of what he does, and that is all the ammo some people need. Listening to the Albion Roar podcast (I think...) he gave great insight into what he does and the processes involved. No-one should really slag him off if they can't be bothered to listen to that first. And every time I've seen Barber interviewed he has come over really well, and has a wonderful reputation of replying - in length - to letters/emails he received from fans. Not only that he seems to be highly rated by his peers at other clubs. That, with TB's opinion of him, is easily good enough for me. (Cue a certain someone slating me now for buying into the Albion PR hype machine, or whatever he calls it.) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 19

10:01am Fri 11 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

Like other posters I was pleased to see that we had rejected Leicester's reported £6.25 mill bid. It was pleasing for 2 reasons.
1) It showed we have the financial strength to do so.
2) Ulloa is worth more than £6.25 mill to us - an offer of £7.5 to £8 mill I suspect might be closer to the mark.
In the Argus's report above it says that the Argus understands that the rejected bid might not be Leicester's final offer and that other clubs could be interested - so watch this space.
Changing subject to the question of acquiring new players I see that SH states that 'We are working every day for it' He also is quoted as saying that he is in touch with Burke and Barber every day and 'I am waiting for good news'.
Well so are all us fans ! Hopefully we will hear some positive news re signings sooner rather than later.
UTA.
Like other posters I was pleased to see that we had rejected Leicester's reported £6.25 mill bid. It was pleasing for 2 reasons. 1) It showed we have the financial strength to do so. 2) Ulloa is worth more than £6.25 mill to us - an offer of £7.5 to £8 mill I suspect might be closer to the mark. In the Argus's report above it says that the Argus understands that the rejected bid might not be Leicester's final offer and that other clubs could be interested - so watch this space. Changing subject to the question of acquiring new players I see that SH states that 'We are working every day for it' He also is quoted as saying that he is in touch with Burke and Barber every day and 'I am waiting for good news'. Well so are all us fans ! Hopefully we will hear some positive news re signings sooner rather than later. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 8

10:02am Fri 11 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Withdean-er wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
arc12 wrote:
My major concern this summer is not that I worry that we are leaving things late to bring in replacements, but more surrounding the quality of those replacements.

The club seem to be entrenched in the desire to follow their method of scanning the market, evaluating, and then making suggestions to the manager as to who might be available – as seen on some of the Seagulls player footage from the past. BUT, and this is my concern, quite a number of players sourced or found who have come into the club have been of very poor quality or rarely been used such as Rodriguez, Agustien, Lita, & Obika. I know there have been some hits made via this process, but I have little faith in the clubs ability to target players who are really going to make an impact. I think our recruitment policy needs a serious overhaul to avoid more Obikas and Rodriguez’s this season.

We cannot afford to be carrying dead weight – I just hope those players the club are targeting behind the scenes are of decent quality who will enhance our side, not just make up the numbers. Even Baldock for example who I know had a good league 1 record I feel would have been a waste at Championship level and think we may have dodged an expensive bullet in this case. I know the club are not going to get all signings right and there will always be a few duff players brought in, but on balance I don’t think our ‘hit’ rate has been particularly impressive over the last couple of years.
Ulloa, bought for £2m, now worth £7.5m +? Bridcutt -free, sold £2.5-3m, can't always get it right and I agree there's been a few spectacular misses. Still think it's a shame we didn't get Van Diik, would've been an assett for 2 years and sold on at massive profit.
Van Dijk was never coming to us. It was a Poyet hope, as he went round blowing TB's cash, often unwisely. Van Dijk considered it to be a step up playing in front of 60,000 republicans, in a one horse Scottish race and CL football. Not good enough then for proper football in the PL, but he bettered Championship wages. He was not an unknown then. The media / his agent was always hyping him up, so he was never going to join a Championship club with relatively moderate income and wages.
Spot on. Championship or Champion's League? Tough call...
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: My major concern this summer is not that I worry that we are leaving things late to bring in replacements, but more surrounding the quality of those replacements. The club seem to be entrenched in the desire to follow their method of scanning the market, evaluating, and then making suggestions to the manager as to who might be available – as seen on some of the Seagulls player footage from the past. BUT, and this is my concern, quite a number of players sourced or found who have come into the club have been of very poor quality or rarely been used such as Rodriguez, Agustien, Lita, & Obika. I know there have been some hits made via this process, but I have little faith in the clubs ability to target players who are really going to make an impact. I think our recruitment policy needs a serious overhaul to avoid more Obikas and Rodriguez’s this season. We cannot afford to be carrying dead weight – I just hope those players the club are targeting behind the scenes are of decent quality who will enhance our side, not just make up the numbers. Even Baldock for example who I know had a good league 1 record I feel would have been a waste at Championship level and think we may have dodged an expensive bullet in this case. I know the club are not going to get all signings right and there will always be a few duff players brought in, but on balance I don’t think our ‘hit’ rate has been particularly impressive over the last couple of years.[/p][/quote]Ulloa, bought for £2m, now worth £7.5m +? Bridcutt -free, sold £2.5-3m, can't always get it right and I agree there's been a few spectacular misses. Still think it's a shame we didn't get Van Diik, would've been an assett for 2 years and sold on at massive profit.[/p][/quote]Van Dijk was never coming to us. It was a Poyet hope, as he went round blowing TB's cash, often unwisely. Van Dijk considered it to be a step up playing in front of 60,000 republicans, in a one horse Scottish race and CL football. Not good enough then for proper football in the PL, but he bettered Championship wages. He was not an unknown then. The media / his agent was always hyping him up, so he was never going to join a Championship club with relatively moderate income and wages.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Championship or Champion's League? Tough call... Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

10:04am Fri 11 Jul 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

Sammy gave us a list, but they were either not available or too expensive, I heard Primark were interested in taking over sponsorship when the Amex deal finishes,
Sammy gave us a list, but they were either not available or too expensive, I heard Primark were interested in taking over sponsorship when the Amex deal finishes, Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: -10

10:09am Fri 11 Jul 14

tug509 says...

JeffLomer wrote:
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion[/p][/quote]B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho . tug509
  • Score: -4

10:20am Fri 11 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Just read on the BCFC rumours site that Emile Heskey is returning to England ,you don't think messrs B&B would look at him again ....do you ?. :0)
Just read on the BCFC rumours site that Emile Heskey is returning to England ,you don't think messrs B&B would look at him again ....do you ?. :0) tug509
  • Score: -3

10:21am Fri 11 Jul 14

Beale32 says...

Leicester have given up on frazer Campbell, as his wage demands are to high. Maybe a bigger offer for Leo will come back in soon.

that would also put us out the running for him aswell.
Leicester have given up on frazer Campbell, as his wage demands are to high. Maybe a bigger offer for Leo will come back in soon. that would also put us out the running for him aswell. Beale32
  • Score: 3

10:26am Fri 11 Jul 14

kipper12 says...

my fear is that we are being to keen on getting players on the cheap , hence bids are rejected and the player goes elsewhere ....
i really hope we dont end up panic buying for the sake of getting numbers in...... or plough into the loan market and get dross like before with lia and obika etc !!! we need to get some quality in and fast or the start of the season will be a real struggle ..........
UTA
my fear is that we are being to keen on getting players on the cheap , hence bids are rejected and the player goes elsewhere .... i really hope we dont end up panic buying for the sake of getting numbers in...... or plough into the loan market and get dross like before with lia and obika etc !!! we need to get some quality in and fast or the start of the season will be a real struggle .......... UTA kipper12
  • Score: -1

10:26am Fri 11 Jul 14

To baldly go says...

Ulloa will be gone before season starts, we ALL know that if we are honest, get £7m+ for him and let him put his transfer request in as that's worth another £750k for some reason? add in a clause of another £1m if Leicester stay up!
Some of that money (frustrating as it may be!) will be used to meet this seasons FFP before we have even kicked a ball so that puts us in a good position finance wise, it's what we can get player wise with the rest of the cash that's the big question?
Big fees and big wages are out of the question, so who do we look at realistically? We need a keeper, 2 centre backs, someone with skill in midfield (unless Agustien gets his act together) and a couple of strikers! That's 5-6 players required, can Sami attract a couple of quality loanees? Is Orlandi still available, pay him on a pay as you play contract, what about getting Lita back? the few minutes he was given he looked sharp and hungry, imagine him and Cms attacking together? Similar players I know but how would the opposition handle the 2 of them? Can Goodwin/Fenelon make the step up? We are not that far off as it stands but others are going to have the jump on us preparation wise and that could be telling early season, Frustrated at lack of signings like most on here but we have got until the end of August to get them in. Keep the faith. UTA
Ulloa will be gone before season starts, we ALL know that if we are honest, get £7m+ for him and let him put his transfer request in as that's worth another £750k for some reason? add in a clause of another £1m if Leicester stay up! Some of that money (frustrating as it may be!) will be used to meet this seasons FFP before we have even kicked a ball so that puts us in a good position finance wise, it's what we can get player wise with the rest of the cash that's the big question? Big fees and big wages are out of the question, so who do we look at realistically? We need a keeper, 2 centre backs, someone with skill in midfield (unless Agustien gets his act together) and a couple of strikers! That's 5-6 players required, can Sami attract a couple of quality loanees? Is Orlandi still available, pay him on a pay as you play contract, what about getting Lita back? the few minutes he was given he looked sharp and hungry, imagine him and Cms attacking together? Similar players I know but how would the opposition handle the 2 of them? Can Goodwin/Fenelon make the step up? We are not that far off as it stands but others are going to have the jump on us preparation wise and that could be telling early season, Frustrated at lack of signings like most on here but we have got until the end of August to get them in. Keep the faith. UTA To baldly go
  • Score: 4

10:43am Fri 11 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

tug509 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .
Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion[/p][/quote]B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .[/p][/quote]Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

10:49am Fri 11 Jul 14

mikeygit says...

JeffLomer--to me a good post. Peeps are all too ready to blame. B & B were put in charge to do a job and sometimes it makes them unpopular. For far too long clubs have caved in to players/agents demands---and in many cases it just has not worked out and the clubs involved get further into debt. It must be a most terribly difficult job to get the RIGHT players in at the right price, not caving in to their demands, and at the same try to balance the books. No good getting the right players at huge costs and end up like Portsmouth and the like. I am frustrated like many but if you really sit down and think do you really want jam today and lucky to get only dry bread tomorrow?? If you have the right foundations--TB, B&B and Sami then hopefully we can get some sort of acceptability and keep our heads above water and eventually get in the PL where the money opportunities are endless.To me the parachute payments are grossly unfair on the teams that have neither been promoted or relegated. I have always been against parachute payments for relegated teams---where else in industry would you get rewarded for failure??
JeffLomer--to me a good post. Peeps are all too ready to blame. B & B were put in charge to do a job and sometimes it makes them unpopular. For far too long clubs have caved in to players/agents demands---and in many cases it just has not worked out and the clubs involved get further into debt. It must be a most terribly difficult job to get the RIGHT players in at the right price, not caving in to their demands, and at the same try to balance the books. No good getting the right players at huge costs and end up like Portsmouth and the like. I am frustrated like many but if you really sit down and think do you really want jam today and lucky to get only dry bread tomorrow?? If you have the right foundations--TB, B&B and Sami then hopefully we can get some sort of acceptability and keep our heads above water and eventually get in the PL where the money opportunities are endless.To me the parachute payments are grossly unfair on the teams that have neither been promoted or relegated. I have always been against parachute payments for relegated teams---where else in industry would you get rewarded for failure?? mikeygit
  • Score: 7

10:59am Fri 11 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .
Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.
I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion[/p][/quote]B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .[/p][/quote]Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.[/p][/quote]I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working . tug509
  • Score: -6

11:06am Fri 11 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .
Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.
I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .
Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion[/p][/quote]B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .[/p][/quote]Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.[/p][/quote]I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .[/p][/quote]Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 6

11:17am Fri 11 Jul 14

albionfan33 says...

tug509 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .
i really dont see tb saying dont spend money and i will give you a bonus.blimy how silly is that then? i just dont see how short changing the playing side will strengthen either of their hands further down the line to even suggest that is the scenario after all we had with belloti/archer seems absurd in the extreme
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion[/p][/quote]B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .[/p][/quote]i really dont see tb saying dont spend money and i will give you a bonus.blimy how silly is that then? i just dont see how short changing the playing side will strengthen either of their hands further down the line to even suggest that is the scenario after all we had with belloti/archer seems absurd in the extreme albionfan33
  • Score: 8

11:19am Fri 11 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .
Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.
I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .
Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?
DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion[/p][/quote]B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .[/p][/quote]Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.[/p][/quote]I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .[/p][/quote]Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?[/p][/quote]DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP . tug509
  • Score: -5

11:23am Fri 11 Jul 14

tug509 says...

tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .
Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.
I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .
Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?
DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .
Sorry missed SW ,he was indeed a great loan ,but now at the time we need to buy the guy ,they havn`t done it ,(YET ) I still have hope .
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion[/p][/quote]B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .[/p][/quote]Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.[/p][/quote]I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .[/p][/quote]Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?[/p][/quote]DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .[/p][/quote]Sorry missed SW ,he was indeed a great loan ,but now at the time we need to buy the guy ,they havn`t done it ,(YET ) I still have hope . tug509
  • Score: 0

11:26am Fri 11 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .
Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.
I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .
Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?
DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .
Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion[/p][/quote]B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .[/p][/quote]Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.[/p][/quote]I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .[/p][/quote]Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?[/p][/quote]DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .[/p][/quote]Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 5

11:42am Fri 11 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .
Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.
I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .
Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?
DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .
Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.
It`s not a case of me not giving him the credit ,if a player states his reasons and they are other than Burke ,how can he be given the credit , on the other hand if Sami says to Burke ,I want this guy ,and Burke goes and gets him ,then most of the credit is due ,my question was how many decent players has been brought to this club since B&B were here , I am talking about good players that Burke has acquired off his own back ,that has been of better value to us than say ,Obika ,Lita et al !. The gripe I have is simple ,that is his job and he is not coming up with the goods ,I have no doubt that at least 1 or 2 of any new players that come in ,will site Sami as a main reason ,hence my point ,why isn`t it left to the manager to specify his choices and let Burke do the courting ,not as it currently appears ,Burke finds the targets and they warm the bench .
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion[/p][/quote]B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .[/p][/quote]Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.[/p][/quote]I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .[/p][/quote]Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?[/p][/quote]DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .[/p][/quote]Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.[/p][/quote]It`s not a case of me not giving him the credit ,if a player states his reasons and they are other than Burke ,how can he be given the credit , on the other hand if Sami says to Burke ,I want this guy ,and Burke goes and gets him ,then most of the credit is due ,my question was how many decent players has been brought to this club since B&B were here , I am talking about good players that Burke has acquired off his own back ,that has been of better value to us than say ,Obika ,Lita et al !. The gripe I have is simple ,that is his job and he is not coming up with the goods ,I have no doubt that at least 1 or 2 of any new players that come in ,will site Sami as a main reason ,hence my point ,why isn`t it left to the manager to specify his choices and let Burke do the courting ,not as it currently appears ,Burke finds the targets and they warm the bench . tug509
  • Score: -6

11:52am Fri 11 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

The players bought in who "warmed the bench" were mostly short-term signings for cover, most of which were - according to other 'experts' on here - recommended by Jones. They were needed for a specific reason, not necessarily to start every game. It seems Burke will not get credit for decent signings but will be criticized for any/all of the bad ones.

If Burke completes the signing of a player, which he did with all those I mentioned (plus Ulloa), then he has indeed done his job. Getting players added to the squad is ultimately his responsibility, and he has, arguably, succeeded.

He should not be doing 100% of the work, from initial spotting all the way to signature, otherwise he is signing players the manager has not agreed to, and that is absolutely NOT the process, as has been stated by Burke and Barber many times.

It seems you are unhappy that Burke is not doing precisely what no-one actually wants him to do?
The players bought in who "warmed the bench" were mostly short-term signings for cover, most of which were - according to other 'experts' on here - recommended by Jones. They were needed for a specific reason, not necessarily to start every game. It seems Burke will not get credit for decent signings but will be criticized for any/all of the bad ones. If Burke completes the signing of a player, which he did with all those I mentioned (plus Ulloa), then he has indeed done his job. Getting players added to the squad is ultimately his responsibility, and he has, arguably, succeeded. He should not be doing 100% of the work, from initial spotting all the way to signature, otherwise he is signing players the manager has not agreed to, and that is absolutely NOT the process, as has been stated by Burke and Barber many times. It seems you are unhappy that Burke is not doing precisely what no-one actually wants him to do? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 9

12:48pm Fri 11 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

The idea that Burke and Barber deliberately hold back spending on players to ensure that they get a bonus is crazy, it's just something that the trolls and wums would have you believe.
Budgets are set for each year, budgets that cover a multitude of factors and not just the playing staff, and Bloom knows what the numbers are as he has to sign off on those numbers. Bloom is a fan, do you not think he would be asking questions if he thought that Burke and Barber were selling us short just to enhance their take home pay?

I see the slow pace of new arrivals as a good thing, if nothing else it suggests to me that Hyypia is very involved in selecting targets. If the majority of fans agree that we should not sell Ulloa on the cheap, should those same people not also agree that we should not pay over the odds when buying. If we have a set of evaluations for all our players, do we not apply the same thinking to those we want to buy? If it is wrong to sell too cheaply then it must also be wrong to pay to much.

Declining the latest offer of 6.2M for Ulloa just goes to show that the finances of the club are in good shape, and dare I say, so is the transfer budget for this season if we don't need the money from Ulloa, and clearly we don't.
The idea that Burke and Barber deliberately hold back spending on players to ensure that they get a bonus is crazy, it's just something that the trolls and wums would have you believe. Budgets are set for each year, budgets that cover a multitude of factors and not just the playing staff, and Bloom knows what the numbers are as he has to sign off on those numbers. Bloom is a fan, do you not think he would be asking questions if he thought that Burke and Barber were selling us short just to enhance their take home pay? I see the slow pace of new arrivals as a good thing, if nothing else it suggests to me that Hyypia is very involved in selecting targets. If the majority of fans agree that we should not sell Ulloa on the cheap, should those same people not also agree that we should not pay over the odds when buying. If we have a set of evaluations for all our players, do we not apply the same thinking to those we want to buy? If it is wrong to sell too cheaply then it must also be wrong to pay to much. Declining the latest offer of 6.2M for Ulloa just goes to show that the finances of the club are in good shape, and dare I say, so is the transfer budget for this season if we don't need the money from Ulloa, and clearly we don't. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 8

1:18pm Fri 11 Jul 14

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
The idea that Burke and Barber deliberately hold back spending on players to ensure that they get a bonus is crazy, it's just something that the trolls and wums would have you believe.
Budgets are set for each year, budgets that cover a multitude of factors and not just the playing staff, and Bloom knows what the numbers are as he has to sign off on those numbers. Bloom is a fan, do you not think he would be asking questions if he thought that Burke and Barber were selling us short just to enhance their take home pay?

I see the slow pace of new arrivals as a good thing, if nothing else it suggests to me that Hyypia is very involved in selecting targets. If the majority of fans agree that we should not sell Ulloa on the cheap, should those same people not also agree that we should not pay over the odds when buying. If we have a set of evaluations for all our players, do we not apply the same thinking to those we want to buy? If it is wrong to sell too cheaply then it must also be wrong to pay to much.

Declining the latest offer of 6.2M for Ulloa just goes to show that the finances of the club are in good shape, and dare I say, so is the transfer budget for this season if we don't need the money from Ulloa, and clearly we don't.
Hi Vegas ,I for one don't BELIEVE that B&B are holding back spending on players to ensure they get a bonus ,I do believe that bonuses are paid for keeping a healthy bottom line ,and fair enough if it means a healthy sustainable future ,and yes not ending up like Pompey ,do a good job and you deserve a bonus . But I also believe that we have been VERY careful with our budget and transfer monies . The long and the short I have heard both sides ,as we all have . As I have said before Vegas I tend to play devils advocate a lot ,not to wum anyone ,but it is too easy to just regurgitate the same thing that a dozen other posters have put ,and wait for the thumbs up ,I prefer a debate ,you learn nothing from always agreeing with everyone else omo.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The idea that Burke and Barber deliberately hold back spending on players to ensure that they get a bonus is crazy, it's just something that the trolls and wums would have you believe. Budgets are set for each year, budgets that cover a multitude of factors and not just the playing staff, and Bloom knows what the numbers are as he has to sign off on those numbers. Bloom is a fan, do you not think he would be asking questions if he thought that Burke and Barber were selling us short just to enhance their take home pay? I see the slow pace of new arrivals as a good thing, if nothing else it suggests to me that Hyypia is very involved in selecting targets. If the majority of fans agree that we should not sell Ulloa on the cheap, should those same people not also agree that we should not pay over the odds when buying. If we have a set of evaluations for all our players, do we not apply the same thinking to those we want to buy? If it is wrong to sell too cheaply then it must also be wrong to pay to much. Declining the latest offer of 6.2M for Ulloa just goes to show that the finances of the club are in good shape, and dare I say, so is the transfer budget for this season if we don't need the money from Ulloa, and clearly we don't.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas ,I for one don't BELIEVE that B&B are holding back spending on players to ensure they get a bonus ,I do believe that bonuses are paid for keeping a healthy bottom line ,and fair enough if it means a healthy sustainable future ,and yes not ending up like Pompey ,do a good job and you deserve a bonus . But I also believe that we have been VERY careful with our budget and transfer monies . The long and the short I have heard both sides ,as we all have . As I have said before Vegas I tend to play devils advocate a lot ,not to wum anyone ,but it is too easy to just regurgitate the same thing that a dozen other posters have put ,and wait for the thumbs up ,I prefer a debate ,you learn nothing from always agreeing with everyone else omo. tug509
  • Score: 1

1:30pm Fri 11 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .
Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.
I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .
Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?
DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .
Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.
If you read your list you will see Burke is NOT a manager ,all the others on YOUR list are ! which is my point .
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion[/p][/quote]B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .[/p][/quote]Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.[/p][/quote]I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .[/p][/quote]Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?[/p][/quote]DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .[/p][/quote]Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.[/p][/quote]If you read your list you will see Burke is NOT a manager ,all the others on YOUR list are ! which is my point . tug509
  • Score: 0

1:33pm Fri 11 Jul 14

pte says...

If we sell Leo for 7m it shows just how far we have come, that we are "Premier ready" and a major player in the transfer market
If we sell Leo for 7m it shows just how far we have come, that we are "Premier ready" and a major player in the transfer market pte
  • Score: 0

1:47pm Fri 11 Jul 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Excellent indeed. Also shows that Sami is working to a plan and the club are backing him. It'll be interesting to see if they, or others, come in with an even bigger offer - I suspect Gus might just be watching events carefully before picking his moment. Will we sell to a bid less than, say, £8m? Doesn't look like it. But would we sell between £8m and £10m? Probably... we watch this space with interest. Meanwhile he is our player with a long time remaining on his contract and it will be up to a club to come in at a level which we can't refuse.

Good decision! We remain very much in the driving seat on this one.

UTA!!
I agree and we just have to remember when Liverpool's smart owner, John Henry, ignored all the clamour to release Suarez from his contract last season and played a similar straight bat, hard ball with the player.

He's ended up nearly winning the PL title for them and despite blotting his copy book yet again on a personal level, Liverpool are cashing in BIG TIME!

Well played Liverpool and good for us that we are standing firm. One thing I can bet is that if no one matches our asking price and Leo stays - he will not sulk and will still give his best at all times. I would guess that Sami has seen that in the lad and that's why he's keen for him to stay.

No 'my head's not right' like we got from Bridcutt ! I think Leo is a great team player. I'm also hoping his missus has a big say as I've heard she really loves the South coast!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: Excellent indeed. Also shows that Sami is working to a plan and the club are backing him. It'll be interesting to see if they, or others, come in with an even bigger offer - I suspect Gus might just be watching events carefully before picking his moment. Will we sell to a bid less than, say, £8m? Doesn't look like it. But would we sell between £8m and £10m? Probably... we watch this space with interest. Meanwhile he is our player with a long time remaining on his contract and it will be up to a club to come in at a level which we can't refuse. Good decision! We remain very much in the driving seat on this one. UTA!![/p][/quote]I agree and we just have to remember when Liverpool's smart owner, John Henry, ignored all the clamour to release Suarez from his contract last season and played a similar straight bat, hard ball with the player. He's ended up nearly winning the PL title for them and despite blotting his copy book yet again on a personal level, Liverpool are cashing in BIG TIME! Well played Liverpool and good for us that we are standing firm. One thing I can bet is that if no one matches our asking price and Leo stays - he will not sulk and will still give his best at all times. I would guess that Sami has seen that in the lad and that's why he's keen for him to stay. No 'my head's not right' like we got from Bridcutt ! I think Leo is a great team player. I'm also hoping his missus has a big say as I've heard she really loves the South coast!!!! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 6

1:48pm Fri 11 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Hi Tug.
You are right mate, there are two sides to everything, and that inlcudes our transfer dealings, and that is what fuels debate.

I have this gut feeling that a whole lot of business is brewing in the halls of the Amex, some is on the front burner and close to being ready to serve up, whilst other deals are simmering, possibly awaiting events elsewhere before they can be delivered.

Brighton were very quick to decline the 6.2M Ulloa offer, just a few hours past by, I find that encouraging, deals are being negotiated but we don't need 6.2M to complete any of them, that's a pretty cool position to be in, you and I have never seen that situation before mate.

Some on here rightly point out the failure of a few players that came in last season, but even tho they are right, they should also look at our needs at that time, and why we had those needs. Had we not suffered one of the worst years I can ever recall for injuries to the squad, I doubt if most of those that arrived would have even been considered, Lingard the exception.

I would not be surprised if a couple of the new players that arrive will see us asking, 'who the heck is he.'
Hi Tug. You are right mate, there are two sides to everything, and that inlcudes our transfer dealings, and that is what fuels debate. I have this gut feeling that a whole lot of business is brewing in the halls of the Amex, some is on the front burner and close to being ready to serve up, whilst other deals are simmering, possibly awaiting events elsewhere before they can be delivered. Brighton were very quick to decline the 6.2M Ulloa offer, just a few hours past by, I find that encouraging, deals are being negotiated but we don't need 6.2M to complete any of them, that's a pretty cool position to be in, you and I have never seen that situation before mate. Some on here rightly point out the failure of a few players that came in last season, but even tho they are right, they should also look at our needs at that time, and why we had those needs. Had we not suffered one of the worst years I can ever recall for injuries to the squad, I doubt if most of those that arrived would have even been considered, Lingard the exception. I would not be surprised if a couple of the new players that arrive will see us asking, 'who the heck is he.' VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

1:56pm Fri 11 Jul 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

I get the feeling that the club are also beginning to think that a smaller, highly motivated, tight knit group can provide a really healthy and successful side.

One only has to see the attitude from Burnley last season and the success they achieved with a relatively small squad to see what's possible IF everyone is on the same page which clearly hasn't been the case in the last two years.

I have a feeling that might just be changing.
I get the feeling that the club are also beginning to think that a smaller, highly motivated, tight knit group can provide a really healthy and successful side. One only has to see the attitude from Burnley last season and the success they achieved with a relatively small squad to see what's possible IF everyone is on the same page which clearly hasn't been the case in the last two years. I have a feeling that might just be changing. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 9

2:10pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .
Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.
I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .
Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?
DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .
Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.
If you read your list you will see Burke is NOT a manager ,all the others on YOUR list are ! which is my point .
Okay, replace the names I gave you with anyone else involved in the signing of players in this country. How many do so entirely on their own with no input from anyone else? I bet the answer is pretty **** close to zero. That kind of lone operator just doesn't exist. Even out-and-out managers like 'Arry will have others doing the spade-work.

As I said earlier, it seems you are unhappy that Burke is not doing precisely what no-one actually wants him to do?

What would you have him do differently than what he is actually doing right now?
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion[/p][/quote]B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .[/p][/quote]Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.[/p][/quote]I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .[/p][/quote]Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?[/p][/quote]DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .[/p][/quote]Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.[/p][/quote]If you read your list you will see Burke is NOT a manager ,all the others on YOUR list are ! which is my point .[/p][/quote]Okay, replace the names I gave you with anyone else involved in the signing of players in this country. How many do so entirely on their own with no input from anyone else? I bet the answer is pretty **** close to zero. That kind of lone operator just doesn't exist. Even out-and-out managers like 'Arry will have others doing the spade-work. As I said earlier, it seems you are unhappy that Burke is not doing precisely what no-one actually wants him to do? What would you have him do differently than what he is actually doing right now? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

2:11pm Fri 11 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Vegas ,thanks for the nudge ,good post you`d make a good diplomat . I do hope your right about some impending news ,it will cool a lot of brows . UTA
Vegas ,thanks for the nudge ,good post you`d make a good diplomat . I do hope your right about some impending news ,it will cool a lot of brows . UTA tug509
  • Score: 2

2:13pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
I get the feeling that the club are also beginning to think that a smaller, highly motivated, tight knit group can provide a really healthy and successful side.

One only has to see the attitude from Burnley last season and the success they achieved with a relatively small squad to see what's possible IF everyone is on the same page which clearly hasn't been the case in the last two years.

I have a feeling that might just be changing.
Hmm... the reason Burnley got away with a small squad is that - for the majority of the season, at least - they had virtually no injuries. That kind of luck, totally opposite to ours, is very hard to come by. I don't think being particularly motivated or close-knit (any more than other teams) had much to do with it.

Decent, hard-working players, a decent manager/coach, no major weaknesses and luck were the main ingredients.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: I get the feeling that the club are also beginning to think that a smaller, highly motivated, tight knit group can provide a really healthy and successful side. One only has to see the attitude from Burnley last season and the success they achieved with a relatively small squad to see what's possible IF everyone is on the same page which clearly hasn't been the case in the last two years. I have a feeling that might just be changing.[/p][/quote]Hmm... the reason Burnley got away with a small squad is that - for the majority of the season, at least - they had virtually no injuries. That kind of luck, totally opposite to ours, is very hard to come by. I don't think being particularly motivated or close-knit (any more than other teams) had much to do with it. Decent, hard-working players, a decent manager/coach, no major weaknesses and luck were the main ingredients. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

2:23pm Fri 11 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .
Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.
I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .
Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?
DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .
Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.
If you read your list you will see Burke is NOT a manager ,all the others on YOUR list are ! which is my point .
Okay, replace the names I gave you with anyone else involved in the signing of players in this country. How many do so entirely on their own with no input from anyone else? I bet the answer is pretty **** close to zero. That kind of lone operator just doesn't exist. Even out-and-out managers like 'Arry will have others doing the spade-work.

As I said earlier, it seems you are unhappy that Burke is not doing precisely what no-one actually wants him to do?

What would you have him do differently than what he is actually doing right now?
I`ve already said what I would like ,Sami picks the player and Burke goes and gets him ,within all salient parameters !. Sami as the manager has done his job of picking the right player for the club ,DB has done his job of trying to land him for the right wages and fee ,if all goes well we know we have the right lad for the team . As apposed to DB gives Sami a list of possibles ,and Sami has to choose one ,and maybe not even his first choice on a list he didn`t want .
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion[/p][/quote]B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .[/p][/quote]Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.[/p][/quote]I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .[/p][/quote]Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?[/p][/quote]DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .[/p][/quote]Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.[/p][/quote]If you read your list you will see Burke is NOT a manager ,all the others on YOUR list are ! which is my point .[/p][/quote]Okay, replace the names I gave you with anyone else involved in the signing of players in this country. How many do so entirely on their own with no input from anyone else? I bet the answer is pretty **** close to zero. That kind of lone operator just doesn't exist. Even out-and-out managers like 'Arry will have others doing the spade-work. As I said earlier, it seems you are unhappy that Burke is not doing precisely what no-one actually wants him to do? What would you have him do differently than what he is actually doing right now?[/p][/quote]I`ve already said what I would like ,Sami picks the player and Burke goes and gets him ,within all salient parameters !. Sami as the manager has done his job of picking the right player for the club ,DB has done his job of trying to land him for the right wages and fee ,if all goes well we know we have the right lad for the team . As apposed to DB gives Sami a list of possibles ,and Sami has to choose one ,and maybe not even his first choice on a list he didn`t want . tug509
  • Score: 0

2:43pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
I get the feeling that the club are also beginning to think that a smaller, highly motivated, tight knit group can provide a really healthy and successful side.

One only has to see the attitude from Burnley last season and the success they achieved with a relatively small squad to see what's possible IF everyone is on the same page which clearly hasn't been the case in the last two years.

I have a feeling that might just be changing.
Hmm... the reason Burnley got away with a small squad is that - for the majority of the season, at least - they had virtually no injuries. That kind of luck, totally opposite to ours, is very hard to come by. I don't think being particularly motivated or close-knit (any more than other teams) had much to do with it.

Decent, hard-working players, a decent manager/coach, no major weaknesses and luck were the main ingredients.
Some luck on injuries no doubt. But Ings and Vokes were brilliant, Dyche not for the first time in his career did a great job, and their squad was the perfect blend of some experienced class players and some younger players. In addition, they were not as poor as 13,000 gates might suggest - they were in the last of 4 years in receiving PL parachute payments - a multi £m boost each season to income, which if you are well run like Burnley, allows you to pay and and retain some highly paid sought after players.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: I get the feeling that the club are also beginning to think that a smaller, highly motivated, tight knit group can provide a really healthy and successful side. One only has to see the attitude from Burnley last season and the success they achieved with a relatively small squad to see what's possible IF everyone is on the same page which clearly hasn't been the case in the last two years. I have a feeling that might just be changing.[/p][/quote]Hmm... the reason Burnley got away with a small squad is that - for the majority of the season, at least - they had virtually no injuries. That kind of luck, totally opposite to ours, is very hard to come by. I don't think being particularly motivated or close-knit (any more than other teams) had much to do with it. Decent, hard-working players, a decent manager/coach, no major weaknesses and luck were the main ingredients.[/p][/quote]Some luck on injuries no doubt. But Ings and Vokes were brilliant, Dyche not for the first time in his career did a great job, and their squad was the perfect blend of some experienced class players and some younger players. In addition, they were not as poor as 13,000 gates might suggest - they were in the last of 4 years in receiving PL parachute payments - a multi £m boost each season to income, which if you are well run like Burnley, allows you to pay and and retain some highly paid sought after players. Withdean-er
  • Score: 3

2:54pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Ooh, "d a m n" is asterisked? Hmm, what about "c r a p"? "Crap"
Ooh, "d a m n" is asterisked? Hmm, what about "c r a p"? "Crap" Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

2:56pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .
Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.
I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .
Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?
DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .
Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.
If you read your list you will see Burke is NOT a manager ,all the others on YOUR list are ! which is my point .
Okay, replace the names I gave you with anyone else involved in the signing of players in this country. How many do so entirely on their own with no input from anyone else? I bet the answer is pretty **** close to zero. That kind of lone operator just doesn't exist. Even out-and-out managers like 'Arry will have others doing the spade-work.

As I said earlier, it seems you are unhappy that Burke is not doing precisely what no-one actually wants him to do?

What would you have him do differently than what he is actually doing right now?
I`ve already said what I would like ,Sami picks the player and Burke goes and gets him ,within all salient parameters !. Sami as the manager has done his job of picking the right player for the club ,DB has done his job of trying to land him for the right wages and fee ,if all goes well we know we have the right lad for the team . As apposed to DB gives Sami a list of possibles ,and Sami has to choose one ,and maybe not even his first choice on a list he didn`t want .
But surely that is what Burke is actually doing? Getting players within salient parameters. You earlier seemed to be concerned that he wasn't bringing in players that he has identified and signed all on his own.

It seems that what you want (and indeed what I want) and what is happening are all actually the same thing.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion[/p][/quote]B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .[/p][/quote]Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.[/p][/quote]I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .[/p][/quote]Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?[/p][/quote]DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .[/p][/quote]Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.[/p][/quote]If you read your list you will see Burke is NOT a manager ,all the others on YOUR list are ! which is my point .[/p][/quote]Okay, replace the names I gave you with anyone else involved in the signing of players in this country. How many do so entirely on their own with no input from anyone else? I bet the answer is pretty **** close to zero. That kind of lone operator just doesn't exist. Even out-and-out managers like 'Arry will have others doing the spade-work. As I said earlier, it seems you are unhappy that Burke is not doing precisely what no-one actually wants him to do? What would you have him do differently than what he is actually doing right now?[/p][/quote]I`ve already said what I would like ,Sami picks the player and Burke goes and gets him ,within all salient parameters !. Sami as the manager has done his job of picking the right player for the club ,DB has done his job of trying to land him for the right wages and fee ,if all goes well we know we have the right lad for the team . As apposed to DB gives Sami a list of possibles ,and Sami has to choose one ,and maybe not even his first choice on a list he didn`t want .[/p][/quote]But surely that is what Burke is actually doing? Getting players within salient parameters. You earlier seemed to be concerned that he wasn't bringing in players that he has identified and signed all on his own. It seems that what you want (and indeed what I want) and what is happening are all actually the same thing. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

3:10pm Fri 11 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .
Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.
I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .
Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?
DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .
Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.
If you read your list you will see Burke is NOT a manager ,all the others on YOUR list are ! which is my point .
Okay, replace the names I gave you with anyone else involved in the signing of players in this country. How many do so entirely on their own with no input from anyone else? I bet the answer is pretty **** close to zero. That kind of lone operator just doesn't exist. Even out-and-out managers like 'Arry will have others doing the spade-work.

As I said earlier, it seems you are unhappy that Burke is not doing precisely what no-one actually wants him to do?

What would you have him do differently than what he is actually doing right now?
I`ve already said what I would like ,Sami picks the player and Burke goes and gets him ,within all salient parameters !. Sami as the manager has done his job of picking the right player for the club ,DB has done his job of trying to land him for the right wages and fee ,if all goes well we know we have the right lad for the team . As apposed to DB gives Sami a list of possibles ,and Sami has to choose one ,and maybe not even his first choice on a list he didn`t want .
But surely that is what Burke is actually doing? Getting players within salient parameters. You earlier seemed to be concerned that he wasn't bringing in players that he has identified and signed all on his own.

It seems that what you want (and indeed what I want) and what is happening are all actually the same thing.
If that's the case then how come your posts have not been slammed and my "same " posts are ?.
Look Arnie all I want is for any incoming players to be of Sami`s choice not DB`s unless of course they are the same .
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion[/p][/quote]B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .[/p][/quote]Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.[/p][/quote]I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .[/p][/quote]Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?[/p][/quote]DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .[/p][/quote]Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.[/p][/quote]If you read your list you will see Burke is NOT a manager ,all the others on YOUR list are ! which is my point .[/p][/quote]Okay, replace the names I gave you with anyone else involved in the signing of players in this country. How many do so entirely on their own with no input from anyone else? I bet the answer is pretty **** close to zero. That kind of lone operator just doesn't exist. Even out-and-out managers like 'Arry will have others doing the spade-work. As I said earlier, it seems you are unhappy that Burke is not doing precisely what no-one actually wants him to do? What would you have him do differently than what he is actually doing right now?[/p][/quote]I`ve already said what I would like ,Sami picks the player and Burke goes and gets him ,within all salient parameters !. Sami as the manager has done his job of picking the right player for the club ,DB has done his job of trying to land him for the right wages and fee ,if all goes well we know we have the right lad for the team . As apposed to DB gives Sami a list of possibles ,and Sami has to choose one ,and maybe not even his first choice on a list he didn`t want .[/p][/quote]But surely that is what Burke is actually doing? Getting players within salient parameters. You earlier seemed to be concerned that he wasn't bringing in players that he has identified and signed all on his own. It seems that what you want (and indeed what I want) and what is happening are all actually the same thing.[/p][/quote]If that's the case then how come your posts have not been slammed and my "same " posts are ?. Look Arnie all I want is for any incoming players to be of Sami`s choice not DB`s unless of course they are the same . tug509
  • Score: 2

3:27pm Fri 11 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

If Brighton is paying a manager between 1.5 and 2M a year to, 'manage,' he had better darn well get on and manage.
It is not, IMHO, for Bloom, Burke or Barber to tell Hyypia who will will have in his squad, that is his domain, just as it isn't for them to tell him how to line up his team. Hyypia should be required to stand or fall on his decisions, in other words, be a manager, and I am sure that is how it will be.

Right now we need two center backs, and one would hope that we have people looking and reporting back, but what are they looking at, other than the world cup there isn't much football being played. In all praticle sense our recruiting, at this time, will be studying performances of last season, videos, written reports and, 'known,' players of ability.

My hope is that Burke, and others, are active in suggesting players to Hyypia, along with the evidence as to why they might be a good fit for us. I equally hope that Hyypia is also telling them of players, players that he has personal knowledge of, and I would bet that he is, and these names might not be on anyone's radar.

Five or six vacancies in our playing staff could equate to two dozen players being considered, and maybe more, that's a lot of research to get thru. When you add all the personal issues that players have to consider, and I am not thinking of wages, getting the right players in is not as easy as some might think.
If Brighton is paying a manager between 1.5 and 2M a year to, 'manage,' he had better darn well get on and manage. It is not, IMHO, for Bloom, Burke or Barber to tell Hyypia who will will have in his squad, that is his domain, just as it isn't for them to tell him how to line up his team. Hyypia should be required to stand or fall on his decisions, in other words, be a manager, and I am sure that is how it will be. Right now we need two center backs, and one would hope that we have people looking and reporting back, but what are they looking at, other than the world cup there isn't much football being played. In all praticle sense our recruiting, at this time, will be studying performances of last season, videos, written reports and, 'known,' players of ability. My hope is that Burke, and others, are active in suggesting players to Hyypia, along with the evidence as to why they might be a good fit for us. I equally hope that Hyypia is also telling them of players, players that he has personal knowledge of, and I would bet that he is, and these names might not be on anyone's radar. Five or six vacancies in our playing staff could equate to two dozen players being considered, and maybe more, that's a lot of research to get thru. When you add all the personal issues that players have to consider, and I am not thinking of wages, getting the right players in is not as easy as some might think. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 11

3:40pm Fri 11 Jul 14

albionbloke says...

tug509 wrote:
I believe the reason we have so much trouble bringing in quality players ,is because of who is choosing our targets , B&B ! ,don't forget they get a very large bonus on monies not spent , how can that not be in conflict with buying the best available ,when a cheaper proposition will mean it benefits them personally ! .
The proof has already been said above ,players like Lita ,Obika ,Rodriguez , Agustien ,and now we are interested in Baldock at an inflated price ,because he is a cheaper option ,but who else has shown interest in him ? you cant help but wonder why .
This cut price bargain basement attitude has scared off 2 good managers already ,I like Sami and truly believe he can do some real good ,so B&B don't short change him or maybe TB will see the pattern and make you the next !. UTA
....and exactly how do you know that "B&B are on bonuses for money not spent?"
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: I believe the reason we have so much trouble bringing in quality players ,is because of who is choosing our targets , B&B ! ,don't forget they get a very large bonus on monies not spent , how can that not be in conflict with buying the best available ,when a cheaper proposition will mean it benefits them personally ! . The proof has already been said above ,players like Lita ,Obika ,Rodriguez , Agustien ,and now we are interested in Baldock at an inflated price ,because he is a cheaper option ,but who else has shown interest in him ? you cant help but wonder why . This cut price bargain basement attitude has scared off 2 good managers already ,I like Sami and truly believe he can do some real good ,so B&B don't short change him or maybe TB will see the pattern and make you the next !. UTA[/p][/quote]....and exactly how do you know that "B&B are on bonuses for money not spent?" albionbloke
  • Score: 0

4:02pm Fri 11 Jul 14

gordongull says...

A bonus for money not spent doesn't mean if you start off with £10m and still have £10m at the end of August you get a financial reward.It
What if David Burke negotiates a deal to sign Stephen Ward on wages that are within the parameters?
Would that be worth a bonus?
I believe so, and it would be an example of a bonus for money not spent.
Do these bonuses exist?
I have no idea, but it looks like a possibility.
A bonus for money not spent doesn't mean if you start off with £10m and still have £10m at the end of August you get a financial reward.It What if David Burke negotiates a deal to sign Stephen Ward on wages that are within the parameters? Would that be worth a bonus? I believe so, and it would be an example of a bonus for money not spent. Do these bonuses exist? I have no idea, but it looks like a possibility. gordongull
  • Score: -1

4:05pm Fri 11 Jul 14

tug509 says...

albionbloke wrote:
tug509 wrote:
I believe the reason we have so much trouble bringing in quality players ,is because of who is choosing our targets , B&B ! ,don't forget they get a very large bonus on monies not spent , how can that not be in conflict with buying the best available ,when a cheaper proposition will mean it benefits them personally ! .
The proof has already been said above ,players like Lita ,Obika ,Rodriguez , Agustien ,and now we are interested in Baldock at an inflated price ,because he is a cheaper option ,but who else has shown interest in him ? you cant help but wonder why .
This cut price bargain basement attitude has scared off 2 good managers already ,I like Sami and truly believe he can do some real good ,so B&B don't short change him or maybe TB will see the pattern and make you the next !. UTA
....and exactly how do you know that "B&B are on bonuses for money not spent?"
As i said earlier 1-18pm ,IF you are in finance and keep to the required bottom line you earn a bonus , as for money not spent , what i meant by that is simple ,if in any circumstance you can save rather than spend ,which is what The Albion have been doing for the past year or so ,you are staying within ffp and a budget ,so as i read on here a while back ,if you can achieve that you earn a bonus ,go over and we are in the red and you probably dont , not my words but makes sense .
[quote][p][bold]albionbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: I believe the reason we have so much trouble bringing in quality players ,is because of who is choosing our targets , B&B ! ,don't forget they get a very large bonus on monies not spent , how can that not be in conflict with buying the best available ,when a cheaper proposition will mean it benefits them personally ! . The proof has already been said above ,players like Lita ,Obika ,Rodriguez , Agustien ,and now we are interested in Baldock at an inflated price ,because he is a cheaper option ,but who else has shown interest in him ? you cant help but wonder why . This cut price bargain basement attitude has scared off 2 good managers already ,I like Sami and truly believe he can do some real good ,so B&B don't short change him or maybe TB will see the pattern and make you the next !. UTA[/p][/quote]....and exactly how do you know that "B&B are on bonuses for money not spent?"[/p][/quote]As i said earlier 1-18pm ,IF you are in finance and keep to the required bottom line you earn a bonus , as for money not spent , what i meant by that is simple ,if in any circumstance you can save rather than spend ,which is what The Albion have been doing for the past year or so ,you are staying within ffp and a budget ,so as i read on here a while back ,if you can achieve that you earn a bonus ,go over and we are in the red and you probably dont , not my words but makes sense . tug509
  • Score: 3

4:05pm Fri 11 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .
Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.
I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .
Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?
DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .
Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.
If you read your list you will see Burke is NOT a manager ,all the others on YOUR list are ! which is my point .
Okay, replace the names I gave you with anyone else involved in the signing of players in this country. How many do so entirely on their own with no input from anyone else? I bet the answer is pretty **** close to zero. That kind of lone operator just doesn't exist. Even out-and-out managers like 'Arry will have others doing the spade-work.

As I said earlier, it seems you are unhappy that Burke is not doing precisely what no-one actually wants him to do?

What would you have him do differently than what he is actually doing right now?
I`ve already said what I would like ,Sami picks the player and Burke goes and gets him ,within all salient parameters !. Sami as the manager has done his job of picking the right player for the club ,DB has done his job of trying to land him for the right wages and fee ,if all goes well we know we have the right lad for the team . As apposed to DB gives Sami a list of possibles ,and Sami has to choose one ,and maybe not even his first choice on a list he didn`t want .
But surely that is what Burke is actually doing? Getting players within salient parameters. You earlier seemed to be concerned that he wasn't bringing in players that he has identified and signed all on his own.

It seems that what you want (and indeed what I want) and what is happening are all actually the same thing.
If that's the case then how come your posts have not been slammed and my "same " posts are ?.
Look Arnie all I want is for any incoming players to be of Sami`s choice not DB`s unless of course they are the same .
Maybe Tug your posts are being slammed because people are not buying in to what you are saying, the only person who agrees with what your saying is YOU, I have read what Ex Pat Arnie has posted and you have disagreed on 99% off what he has wrote, which is your right to disagree but i think ARNIE has posted some quality posts, you do not like B&B but to many other people there doing a great job for the club,
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion[/p][/quote]B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .[/p][/quote]Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.[/p][/quote]I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .[/p][/quote]Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?[/p][/quote]DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .[/p][/quote]Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.[/p][/quote]If you read your list you will see Burke is NOT a manager ,all the others on YOUR list are ! which is my point .[/p][/quote]Okay, replace the names I gave you with anyone else involved in the signing of players in this country. How many do so entirely on their own with no input from anyone else? I bet the answer is pretty **** close to zero. That kind of lone operator just doesn't exist. Even out-and-out managers like 'Arry will have others doing the spade-work. As I said earlier, it seems you are unhappy that Burke is not doing precisely what no-one actually wants him to do? What would you have him do differently than what he is actually doing right now?[/p][/quote]I`ve already said what I would like ,Sami picks the player and Burke goes and gets him ,within all salient parameters !. Sami as the manager has done his job of picking the right player for the club ,DB has done his job of trying to land him for the right wages and fee ,if all goes well we know we have the right lad for the team . As apposed to DB gives Sami a list of possibles ,and Sami has to choose one ,and maybe not even his first choice on a list he didn`t want .[/p][/quote]But surely that is what Burke is actually doing? Getting players within salient parameters. You earlier seemed to be concerned that he wasn't bringing in players that he has identified and signed all on his own. It seems that what you want (and indeed what I want) and what is happening are all actually the same thing.[/p][/quote]If that's the case then how come your posts have not been slammed and my "same " posts are ?. Look Arnie all I want is for any incoming players to be of Sami`s choice not DB`s unless of course they are the same .[/p][/quote]Maybe Tug your posts are being slammed because people are not buying in to what you are saying, the only person who agrees with what your saying is YOU, I have read what Ex Pat Arnie has posted and you have disagreed on 99% off what he has wrote, which is your right to disagree but i think ARNIE has posted some quality posts, you do not like B&B but to many other people there doing a great job for the club, JeffLomer
  • Score: 0

4:06pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .
Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.
I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .
Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?
DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .
Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.
If you read your list you will see Burke is NOT a manager ,all the others on YOUR list are ! which is my point .
Okay, replace the names I gave you with anyone else involved in the signing of players in this country. How many do so entirely on their own with no input from anyone else? I bet the answer is pretty **** close to zero. That kind of lone operator just doesn't exist. Even out-and-out managers like 'Arry will have others doing the spade-work.

As I said earlier, it seems you are unhappy that Burke is not doing precisely what no-one actually wants him to do?

What would you have him do differently than what he is actually doing right now?
I`ve already said what I would like ,Sami picks the player and Burke goes and gets him ,within all salient parameters !. Sami as the manager has done his job of picking the right player for the club ,DB has done his job of trying to land him for the right wages and fee ,if all goes well we know we have the right lad for the team . As apposed to DB gives Sami a list of possibles ,and Sami has to choose one ,and maybe not even his first choice on a list he didn`t want .
But surely that is what Burke is actually doing? Getting players within salient parameters. You earlier seemed to be concerned that he wasn't bringing in players that he has identified and signed all on his own.

It seems that what you want (and indeed what I want) and what is happening are all actually the same thing.
If that's the case then how come your posts have not been slammed and my "same " posts are ?.
Look Arnie all I want is for any incoming players to be of Sami`s choice not DB`s unless of course they are the same .
I have no idea about the old thumbs up/down conundrum - the voting system on this website is totally bizarre and I have long since given up trying to understand it :-)

I think it will be a mix of players suggested by Sami and those suggested by Burke but agreed by Sami. He won't have anyone imposed upon him, that's for sure. I have no idea what mix there will be initially but I expect it to move heavily in Sami's favour by January.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion[/p][/quote]B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .[/p][/quote]Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.[/p][/quote]I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .[/p][/quote]Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?[/p][/quote]DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .[/p][/quote]Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.[/p][/quote]If you read your list you will see Burke is NOT a manager ,all the others on YOUR list are ! which is my point .[/p][/quote]Okay, replace the names I gave you with anyone else involved in the signing of players in this country. How many do so entirely on their own with no input from anyone else? I bet the answer is pretty **** close to zero. That kind of lone operator just doesn't exist. Even out-and-out managers like 'Arry will have others doing the spade-work. As I said earlier, it seems you are unhappy that Burke is not doing precisely what no-one actually wants him to do? What would you have him do differently than what he is actually doing right now?[/p][/quote]I`ve already said what I would like ,Sami picks the player and Burke goes and gets him ,within all salient parameters !. Sami as the manager has done his job of picking the right player for the club ,DB has done his job of trying to land him for the right wages and fee ,if all goes well we know we have the right lad for the team . As apposed to DB gives Sami a list of possibles ,and Sami has to choose one ,and maybe not even his first choice on a list he didn`t want .[/p][/quote]But surely that is what Burke is actually doing? Getting players within salient parameters. You earlier seemed to be concerned that he wasn't bringing in players that he has identified and signed all on his own. It seems that what you want (and indeed what I want) and what is happening are all actually the same thing.[/p][/quote]If that's the case then how come your posts have not been slammed and my "same " posts are ?. Look Arnie all I want is for any incoming players to be of Sami`s choice not DB`s unless of course they are the same .[/p][/quote]I have no idea about the old thumbs up/down conundrum - the voting system on this website is totally bizarre and I have long since given up trying to understand it :-) I think it will be a mix of players suggested by Sami and those suggested by Burke but agreed by Sami. He won't have anyone imposed upon him, that's for sure. I have no idea what mix there will be initially but I expect it to move heavily in Sami's favour by January. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

4:07pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Jules boy says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
The saga continues, we keep hold of Ulloa but he will become more and more disgruntled at being denied his move to the premier league and will simply not try on the pitch,we will be lucky to get much more than 6 million, better to cash in and use the money for the best striker we can lay our hands off, not Baldock he is not worth 2 million! Why do we always start every season under a cloud?
Ain't started the season yet!
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: The saga continues, we keep hold of Ulloa but he will become more and more disgruntled at being denied his move to the premier league and will simply not try on the pitch,we will be lucky to get much more than 6 million, better to cash in and use the money for the best striker we can lay our hands off, not Baldock he is not worth 2 million! Why do we always start every season under a cloud?[/p][/quote]Ain't started the season yet! Jules boy
  • Score: 2

4:08pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If Brighton is paying a manager between 1.5 and 2M a year to, 'manage,' he had better darn well get on and manage.
It is not, IMHO, for Bloom, Burke or Barber to tell Hyypia who will will have in his squad, that is his domain, just as it isn't for them to tell him how to line up his team. Hyypia should be required to stand or fall on his decisions, in other words, be a manager, and I am sure that is how it will be.

Right now we need two center backs, and one would hope that we have people looking and reporting back, but what are they looking at, other than the world cup there isn't much football being played. In all praticle sense our recruiting, at this time, will be studying performances of last season, videos, written reports and, 'known,' players of ability.

My hope is that Burke, and others, are active in suggesting players to Hyypia, along with the evidence as to why they might be a good fit for us. I equally hope that Hyypia is also telling them of players, players that he has personal knowledge of, and I would bet that he is, and these names might not be on anyone's radar.

Five or six vacancies in our playing staff could equate to two dozen players being considered, and maybe more, that's a lot of research to get thru. When you add all the personal issues that players have to consider, and I am not thinking of wages, getting the right players in is not as easy as some might think.
It looks like you've finally grasped the urgency of signing players now Vegas, I tried to forewarn weeks ago but you wouldn't listen. Time is running out and we should be extremely concerned.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If Brighton is paying a manager between 1.5 and 2M a year to, 'manage,' he had better darn well get on and manage. It is not, IMHO, for Bloom, Burke or Barber to tell Hyypia who will will have in his squad, that is his domain, just as it isn't for them to tell him how to line up his team. Hyypia should be required to stand or fall on his decisions, in other words, be a manager, and I am sure that is how it will be. Right now we need two center backs, and one would hope that we have people looking and reporting back, but what are they looking at, other than the world cup there isn't much football being played. In all praticle sense our recruiting, at this time, will be studying performances of last season, videos, written reports and, 'known,' players of ability. My hope is that Burke, and others, are active in suggesting players to Hyypia, along with the evidence as to why they might be a good fit for us. I equally hope that Hyypia is also telling them of players, players that he has personal knowledge of, and I would bet that he is, and these names might not be on anyone's radar. Five or six vacancies in our playing staff could equate to two dozen players being considered, and maybe more, that's a lot of research to get thru. When you add all the personal issues that players have to consider, and I am not thinking of wages, getting the right players in is not as easy as some might think.[/p][/quote]It looks like you've finally grasped the urgency of signing players now Vegas, I tried to forewarn weeks ago but you wouldn't listen. Time is running out and we should be extremely concerned. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -5

4:23pm Fri 11 Jul 14

tug509 says...

JeffLomer wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .
Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.
I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .
Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?
DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .
Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.
If you read your list you will see Burke is NOT a manager ,all the others on YOUR list are ! which is my point .
Okay, replace the names I gave you with anyone else involved in the signing of players in this country. How many do so entirely on their own with no input from anyone else? I bet the answer is pretty **** close to zero. That kind of lone operator just doesn't exist. Even out-and-out managers like 'Arry will have others doing the spade-work.

As I said earlier, it seems you are unhappy that Burke is not doing precisely what no-one actually wants him to do?

What would you have him do differently than what he is actually doing right now?
I`ve already said what I would like ,Sami picks the player and Burke goes and gets him ,within all salient parameters !. Sami as the manager has done his job of picking the right player for the club ,DB has done his job of trying to land him for the right wages and fee ,if all goes well we know we have the right lad for the team . As apposed to DB gives Sami a list of possibles ,and Sami has to choose one ,and maybe not even his first choice on a list he didn`t want .
But surely that is what Burke is actually doing? Getting players within salient parameters. You earlier seemed to be concerned that he wasn't bringing in players that he has identified and signed all on his own.

It seems that what you want (and indeed what I want) and what is happening are all actually the same thing.
If that's the case then how come your posts have not been slammed and my "same " posts are ?.
Look Arnie all I want is for any incoming players to be of Sami`s choice not DB`s unless of course they are the same .
Maybe Tug your posts are being slammed because people are not buying in to what you are saying, the only person who agrees with what your saying is YOU, I have read what Ex Pat Arnie has posted and you have disagreed on 99% off what he has wrote, which is your right to disagree but i think ARNIE has posted some quality posts, you do not like B&B but to many other people there doing a great job for the club,
Apparently we are not so far apart with our thoughts Jeff ,and yes Arnie posts some good stuff ,but as I said to Vegas ,I try to see both sides rather than settle for the first thing I hear ,not to be awkward but it opens more of a debate ,otherwise we all say and agree on the same one thing and learn nothing ,I know I can be a pain in the butt ,but I would rather that and learn something ,as I just have here ,than become another Mayfield or Freeloaders ,if there is a difference !. UTA
ps nothing personal against B&B I just don't like DOFs.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion[/p][/quote]B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .[/p][/quote]Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.[/p][/quote]I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .[/p][/quote]Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?[/p][/quote]DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .[/p][/quote]Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.[/p][/quote]If you read your list you will see Burke is NOT a manager ,all the others on YOUR list are ! which is my point .[/p][/quote]Okay, replace the names I gave you with anyone else involved in the signing of players in this country. How many do so entirely on their own with no input from anyone else? I bet the answer is pretty **** close to zero. That kind of lone operator just doesn't exist. Even out-and-out managers like 'Arry will have others doing the spade-work. As I said earlier, it seems you are unhappy that Burke is not doing precisely what no-one actually wants him to do? What would you have him do differently than what he is actually doing right now?[/p][/quote]I`ve already said what I would like ,Sami picks the player and Burke goes and gets him ,within all salient parameters !. Sami as the manager has done his job of picking the right player for the club ,DB has done his job of trying to land him for the right wages and fee ,if all goes well we know we have the right lad for the team . As apposed to DB gives Sami a list of possibles ,and Sami has to choose one ,and maybe not even his first choice on a list he didn`t want .[/p][/quote]But surely that is what Burke is actually doing? Getting players within salient parameters. You earlier seemed to be concerned that he wasn't bringing in players that he has identified and signed all on his own. It seems that what you want (and indeed what I want) and what is happening are all actually the same thing.[/p][/quote]If that's the case then how come your posts have not been slammed and my "same " posts are ?. Look Arnie all I want is for any incoming players to be of Sami`s choice not DB`s unless of course they are the same .[/p][/quote]Maybe Tug your posts are being slammed because people are not buying in to what you are saying, the only person who agrees with what your saying is YOU, I have read what Ex Pat Arnie has posted and you have disagreed on 99% off what he has wrote, which is your right to disagree but i think ARNIE has posted some quality posts, you do not like B&B but to many other people there doing a great job for the club,[/p][/quote]Apparently we are not so far apart with our thoughts Jeff ,and yes Arnie posts some good stuff ,but as I said to Vegas ,I try to see both sides rather than settle for the first thing I hear ,not to be awkward but it opens more of a debate ,otherwise we all say and agree on the same one thing and learn nothing ,I know I can be a pain in the butt ,but I would rather that and learn something ,as I just have here ,than become another Mayfield or Freeloaders ,if there is a difference !. UTA ps nothing personal against B&B I just don't like DOFs. tug509
  • Score: 2

4:30pm Fri 11 Jul 14

dave from bexill says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .
Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.
I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .
Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?
DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .
Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.
If you read your list you will see Burke is NOT a manager ,all the others on YOUR list are ! which is my point .
Okay, replace the names I gave you with anyone else involved in the signing of players in this country. How many do so entirely on their own with no input from anyone else? I bet the answer is pretty **** close to zero. That kind of lone operator just doesn't exist. Even out-and-out managers like 'Arry will have others doing the spade-work.

As I said earlier, it seems you are unhappy that Burke is not doing precisely what no-one actually wants him to do?

What would you have him do differently than what he is actually doing right now?
I`ve already said what I would like ,Sami picks the player and Burke goes and gets him ,within all salient parameters !. Sami as the manager has done his job of picking the right player for the club ,DB has done his job of trying to land him for the right wages and fee ,if all goes well we know we have the right lad for the team . As apposed to DB gives Sami a list of possibles ,and Sami has to choose one ,and maybe not even his first choice on a list he didn`t want .
But surely that is what Burke is actually doing? Getting players within salient parameters. You earlier seemed to be concerned that he wasn't bringing in players that he has identified and signed all on his own.

It seems that what you want (and indeed what I want) and what is happening are all actually the same thing.
If that's the case then how come your posts have not been slammed and my "same " posts are ?.
Look Arnie all I want is for any incoming players to be of Sami`s choice not DB`s unless of course they are the same .
I have no idea about the old thumbs up/down conundrum - the voting system on this website is totally bizarre and I have long since given up trying to understand it :-)

I think it will be a mix of players suggested by Sami and those suggested by Burke but agreed by Sami. He won't have anyone imposed upon him, that's for sure. I have no idea what mix there will be initially but I expect it to move heavily in Sami's favour by January.
And that my friends is exactly how transfer business at clubs is conducted
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion[/p][/quote]B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .[/p][/quote]Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.[/p][/quote]I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .[/p][/quote]Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?[/p][/quote]DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .[/p][/quote]Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.[/p][/quote]If you read your list you will see Burke is NOT a manager ,all the others on YOUR list are ! which is my point .[/p][/quote]Okay, replace the names I gave you with anyone else involved in the signing of players in this country. How many do so entirely on their own with no input from anyone else? I bet the answer is pretty **** close to zero. That kind of lone operator just doesn't exist. Even out-and-out managers like 'Arry will have others doing the spade-work. As I said earlier, it seems you are unhappy that Burke is not doing precisely what no-one actually wants him to do? What would you have him do differently than what he is actually doing right now?[/p][/quote]I`ve already said what I would like ,Sami picks the player and Burke goes and gets him ,within all salient parameters !. Sami as the manager has done his job of picking the right player for the club ,DB has done his job of trying to land him for the right wages and fee ,if all goes well we know we have the right lad for the team . As apposed to DB gives Sami a list of possibles ,and Sami has to choose one ,and maybe not even his first choice on a list he didn`t want .[/p][/quote]But surely that is what Burke is actually doing? Getting players within salient parameters. You earlier seemed to be concerned that he wasn't bringing in players that he has identified and signed all on his own. It seems that what you want (and indeed what I want) and what is happening are all actually the same thing.[/p][/quote]If that's the case then how come your posts have not been slammed and my "same " posts are ?. Look Arnie all I want is for any incoming players to be of Sami`s choice not DB`s unless of course they are the same .[/p][/quote]I have no idea about the old thumbs up/down conundrum - the voting system on this website is totally bizarre and I have long since given up trying to understand it :-) I think it will be a mix of players suggested by Sami and those suggested by Burke but agreed by Sami. He won't have anyone imposed upon him, that's for sure. I have no idea what mix there will be initially but I expect it to move heavily in Sami's favour by January.[/p][/quote]And that my friends is exactly how transfer business at clubs is conducted dave from bexill
  • Score: 3

4:31pm Fri 11 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

I do wonder where all this talk of bonuses for Burke and Barber originated from, is this another example of the trolls and wums planting a seed and leaving it for others to nurture?

How would it serve Burke if he persuaded Ward to join us on 3K a week less than he wants, if the following week he finds he has to pay a player 3K extra to get him. It's about a budget for the season, not for a week.

If Barber were able to reduce our off field costs, reductions in things that have nothing to do with the squad or associated personnel, I would give him a bonus, maybe a percentage of what he saved the club. Lets say that he negotiated a lower priced contract with the company that supplies all our janitorial supplies, that might be worth a bonus. If he were able to do the same with stationary supplies, that too might be worthy of a bonus.

I can see how bonuses might be paid to Barber, but how they could filter thru to Burke I have no idea. Burke could be in trouble for over spending, just as he could be for under spending if the squad is seen to be weaker by his reluctance to spend. I think Bloom would ask questions of Burke if he had some 25% of his transfer budget left over and our results were not what we want.
I do wonder where all this talk of bonuses for Burke and Barber originated from, is this another example of the trolls and wums planting a seed and leaving it for others to nurture? How would it serve Burke if he persuaded Ward to join us on 3K a week less than he wants, if the following week he finds he has to pay a player 3K extra to get him. It's about a budget for the season, not for a week. If Barber were able to reduce our off field costs, reductions in things that have nothing to do with the squad or associated personnel, I would give him a bonus, maybe a percentage of what he saved the club. Lets say that he negotiated a lower priced contract with the company that supplies all our janitorial supplies, that might be worth a bonus. If he were able to do the same with stationary supplies, that too might be worthy of a bonus. I can see how bonuses might be paid to Barber, but how they could filter thru to Burke I have no idea. Burke could be in trouble for over spending, just as he could be for under spending if the squad is seen to be weaker by his reluctance to spend. I think Bloom would ask questions of Burke if he had some 25% of his transfer budget left over and our results were not what we want. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

4:33pm Fri 11 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

tug509 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .
Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.
I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .
Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?
DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .
Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.
If you read your list you will see Burke is NOT a manager ,all the others on YOUR list are ! which is my point .
Okay, replace the names I gave you with anyone else involved in the signing of players in this country. How many do so entirely on their own with no input from anyone else? I bet the answer is pretty **** close to zero. That kind of lone operator just doesn't exist. Even out-and-out managers like 'Arry will have others doing the spade-work.

As I said earlier, it seems you are unhappy that Burke is not doing precisely what no-one actually wants him to do?

What would you have him do differently than what he is actually doing right now?
I`ve already said what I would like ,Sami picks the player and Burke goes and gets him ,within all salient parameters !. Sami as the manager has done his job of picking the right player for the club ,DB has done his job of trying to land him for the right wages and fee ,if all goes well we know we have the right lad for the team . As apposed to DB gives Sami a list of possibles ,and Sami has to choose one ,and maybe not even his first choice on a list he didn`t want .
But surely that is what Burke is actually doing? Getting players within salient parameters. You earlier seemed to be concerned that he wasn't bringing in players that he has identified and signed all on his own.

It seems that what you want (and indeed what I want) and what is happening are all actually the same thing.
If that's the case then how come your posts have not been slammed and my "same " posts are ?.
Look Arnie all I want is for any incoming players to be of Sami`s choice not DB`s unless of course they are the same .
Maybe Tug your posts are being slammed because people are not buying in to what you are saying, the only person who agrees with what your saying is YOU, I have read what Ex Pat Arnie has posted and you have disagreed on 99% off what he has wrote, which is your right to disagree but i think ARNIE has posted some quality posts, you do not like B&B but to many other people there doing a great job for the club,
Apparently we are not so far apart with our thoughts Jeff ,and yes Arnie posts some good stuff ,but as I said to Vegas ,I try to see both sides rather than settle for the first thing I hear ,not to be awkward but it opens more of a debate ,otherwise we all say and agree on the same one thing and learn nothing ,I know I can be a pain in the butt ,but I would rather that and learn something ,as I just have here ,than become another Mayfield or Freeloaders ,if there is a difference !. UTA
ps nothing personal against B&B I just don't like DOFs.
Its a forum open for debate it would be pretty boring if we had the same opinions, we move on to the next debate, nothing personal Tug i usually enjoy your posts, we all want the same thing or we would not be on here debating about it, onwards and upwards!!!!
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion[/p][/quote]B&B do a brilliant job at keeping the clubs finances in order ,BUT as the list of failures they are responsible for shows ,they know very little about players ! . And why on earth would you link player acquisitions with book keepers ,and then tell them ,don't spend any money and you get a big bonus ?. I would like to see our manager choose his targets not B&B ,if the money is available give Sami the budget and buy his own squad ,or are you happy with the current way players are brought in ,or not as is the case for the past year . As for respect ,they whole heartedly deserve it for the financial side of things ,but for transfers ,that's just not working imho .[/p][/quote]Barber does the finances and general running of the club, Burke does the player acquisition within the budget given. Neither of them do each other's job.[/p][/quote]I am aware of that , both finance and player acquisition have to work together and that's why they are generally referred to together ,but I would like you to tell me 1 decent player that has been brought to this club since they were here ,that was totally down to them ? . I`m not sure there is one ,and THAT is why some on here give "grief " to Burke and or Barber . If this is the case ,why are they /he (Burke ) still left to find new targets ? when it is obviously not working .[/p][/quote]Stephen Ward? Matthew Upson? Tomasz Kuszczak? Dale Stephens? Rohan Ince? Andrew Crofts (2nd time)? Bruno?[/p][/quote]DS was down to NJs connection ,Bruno was GP, AC was by club association as much as anything else ,that was a no brainer RI was a DS addition ,and not bought for the 1st team ,and had it not been for OG would probably still be there ,TK and MU were both brilliant signings and both stated the deciding factor to join us was GP .[/p][/quote]Right, so you're not going to give any credit for any signings to Burke at all? In that case no-one in football can claim total credit for any signings at any club, as more than one person is always involved. That means Gus, Sir Alex, Mourinho, Wenger, Rodgers etc, which makes Burke no different to anyone else.[/p][/quote]If you read your list you will see Burke is NOT a manager ,all the others on YOUR list are ! which is my point .[/p][/quote]Okay, replace the names I gave you with anyone else involved in the signing of players in this country. How many do so entirely on their own with no input from anyone else? I bet the answer is pretty **** close to zero. That kind of lone operator just doesn't exist. Even out-and-out managers like 'Arry will have others doing the spade-work. As I said earlier, it seems you are unhappy that Burke is not doing precisely what no-one actually wants him to do? What would you have him do differently than what he is actually doing right now?[/p][/quote]I`ve already said what I would like ,Sami picks the player and Burke goes and gets him ,within all salient parameters !. Sami as the manager has done his job of picking the right player for the club ,DB has done his job of trying to land him for the right wages and fee ,if all goes well we know we have the right lad for the team . As apposed to DB gives Sami a list of possibles ,and Sami has to choose one ,and maybe not even his first choice on a list he didn`t want .[/p][/quote]But surely that is what Burke is actually doing? Getting players within salient parameters. You earlier seemed to be concerned that he wasn't bringing in players that he has identified and signed all on his own. It seems that what you want (and indeed what I want) and what is happening are all actually the same thing.[/p][/quote]If that's the case then how come your posts have not been slammed and my "same " posts are ?. Look Arnie all I want is for any incoming players to be of Sami`s choice not DB`s unless of course they are the same .[/p][/quote]Maybe Tug your posts are being slammed because people are not buying in to what you are saying, the only person who agrees with what your saying is YOU, I have read what Ex Pat Arnie has posted and you have disagreed on 99% off what he has wrote, which is your right to disagree but i think ARNIE has posted some quality posts, you do not like B&B but to many other people there doing a great job for the club,[/p][/quote]Apparently we are not so far apart with our thoughts Jeff ,and yes Arnie posts some good stuff ,but as I said to Vegas ,I try to see both sides rather than settle for the first thing I hear ,not to be awkward but it opens more of a debate ,otherwise we all say and agree on the same one thing and learn nothing ,I know I can be a pain in the butt ,but I would rather that and learn something ,as I just have here ,than become another Mayfield or Freeloaders ,if there is a difference !. UTA ps nothing personal against B&B I just don't like DOFs.[/p][/quote]Its a forum open for debate it would be pretty boring if we had the same opinions, we move on to the next debate, nothing personal Tug i usually enjoy your posts, we all want the same thing or we would not be on here debating about it, onwards and upwards!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 4

4:43pm Fri 11 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

It is being reported in some quarters that Leicester are deciding whether or not to make one final bid for Ulloa, 7.5M being the bid. If this happens, and if it is coupled with a transfer request by Leo, then I could see it being accepted.
What an amazing day it would be if the club declined what would be a record deal by a long way for both clubs, for Brighton, 'a long way,' doesn't even come close.
It is being reported in some quarters that Leicester are deciding whether or not to make one final bid for Ulloa, 7.5M being the bid. If this happens, and if it is coupled with a transfer request by Leo, then I could see it being accepted. What an amazing day it would be if the club declined what would be a record deal by a long way for both clubs, for Brighton, 'a long way,' doesn't even come close. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

4:56pm Fri 11 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

'IF,' Leicester do offer a final 7.5M bid, and, 'IF,' any other prem clubs are watching developments, the final Leicester bid will flush them out as this bid just might be accepted.
'IF,' Leicester do offer a final 7.5M bid, and, 'IF,' any other prem clubs are watching developments, the final Leicester bid will flush them out as this bid just might be accepted. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

5:04pm Fri 11 Jul 14

albionbloke says...

tug509 wrote:
albionbloke wrote:
tug509 wrote:
I believe the reason we have so much trouble bringing in quality players ,is because of who is choosing our targets , B&B ! ,don't forget they get a very large bonus on monies not spent , how can that not be in conflict with buying the best available ,when a cheaper proposition will mean it benefits them personally ! .
The proof has already been said above ,players like Lita ,Obika ,Rodriguez , Agustien ,and now we are interested in Baldock at an inflated price ,because he is a cheaper option ,but who else has shown interest in him ? you cant help but wonder why .
This cut price bargain basement attitude has scared off 2 good managers already ,I like Sami and truly believe he can do some real good ,so B&B don't short change him or maybe TB will see the pattern and make you the next !. UTA
....and exactly how do you know that "B&B are on bonuses for money not spent?"
As i said earlier 1-18pm ,IF you are in finance and keep to the required bottom line you earn a bonus , as for money not spent , what i meant by that is simple ,if in any circumstance you can save rather than spend ,which is what The Albion have been doing for the past year or so ,you are staying within ffp and a budget ,so as i read on here a while back ,if you can achieve that you earn a bonus ,go over and we are in the red and you probably dont , not my words but makes sense .
In terms of the overall budget picture and bottom line results, then yes.....then I can see where bonuses are earned. You putting it this way makes more sense as opposed to giving the impression that bonuses are tied to transfer savings. Appreciate your follow-up comment/view.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albionbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: I believe the reason we have so much trouble bringing in quality players ,is because of who is choosing our targets , B&B ! ,don't forget they get a very large bonus on monies not spent , how can that not be in conflict with buying the best available ,when a cheaper proposition will mean it benefits them personally ! . The proof has already been said above ,players like Lita ,Obika ,Rodriguez , Agustien ,and now we are interested in Baldock at an inflated price ,because he is a cheaper option ,but who else has shown interest in him ? you cant help but wonder why . This cut price bargain basement attitude has scared off 2 good managers already ,I like Sami and truly believe he can do some real good ,so B&B don't short change him or maybe TB will see the pattern and make you the next !. UTA[/p][/quote]....and exactly how do you know that "B&B are on bonuses for money not spent?"[/p][/quote]As i said earlier 1-18pm ,IF you are in finance and keep to the required bottom line you earn a bonus , as for money not spent , what i meant by that is simple ,if in any circumstance you can save rather than spend ,which is what The Albion have been doing for the past year or so ,you are staying within ffp and a budget ,so as i read on here a while back ,if you can achieve that you earn a bonus ,go over and we are in the red and you probably dont , not my words but makes sense .[/p][/quote]In terms of the overall budget picture and bottom line results, then yes.....then I can see where bonuses are earned. You putting it this way makes more sense as opposed to giving the impression that bonuses are tied to transfer savings. Appreciate your follow-up comment/view. albionbloke
  • Score: 2

6:50pm Fri 11 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
I think a lot of the grief Burke gets in particular is ignorance of what he does, and that is all the ammo some people need. Listening to the Albion Roar podcast (I think...) he gave great insight into what he does and the processes involved. No-one should really slag him off if they can't be bothered to listen to that first.

And every time I've seen Barber interviewed he has come over really well, and has a wonderful reputation of replying - in length - to letters/emails he received from fans. Not only that he seems to be highly rated by his peers at other clubs. That, with TB's opinion of him, is easily good enough for me.

(Cue a certain someone slating me now for buying into the Albion PR hype machine, or whatever he calls it.)
He must off gone away, enjoyed your posts today!!
Up the Albion!!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion[/p][/quote]I think a lot of the grief Burke gets in particular is ignorance of what he does, and that is all the ammo some people need. Listening to the Albion Roar podcast (I think...) he gave great insight into what he does and the processes involved. No-one should really slag him off if they can't be bothered to listen to that first. And every time I've seen Barber interviewed he has come over really well, and has a wonderful reputation of replying - in length - to letters/emails he received from fans. Not only that he seems to be highly rated by his peers at other clubs. That, with TB's opinion of him, is easily good enough for me. (Cue a certain someone slating me now for buying into the Albion PR hype machine, or whatever he calls it.)[/p][/quote]He must off gone away, enjoyed your posts today!! Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 0

1:15pm Sat 12 Jul 14

tinker111 says...

Whydontukick off wrote:
So we've upped our offer for Baldock ?..............Thats better news !
HA HA Let Leo go and run with the youth policy of club so long as it does not cost ?? see you all in Div !/2
[quote][p][bold]Whydontukick off[/bold] wrote: So we've upped our offer for Baldock ?..............Thats better news ![/p][/quote]HA HA Let Leo go and run with the youth policy of club so long as it does not cost ?? see you all in Div !/2 tinker111
  • Score: -2

9:21am Sun 13 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!!
nothing personal just my opinion
Up the Albion!!
Up the albion
I think a lot of the grief Burke gets in particular is ignorance of what he does, and that is all the ammo some people need. Listening to the Albion Roar podcast (I think...) he gave great insight into what he does and the processes involved. No-one should really slag him off if they can't be bothered to listen to that first.

And every time I've seen Barber interviewed he has come over really well, and has a wonderful reputation of replying - in length - to letters/emails he received from fans. Not only that he seems to be highly rated by his peers at other clubs. That, with TB's opinion of him, is easily good enough for me.

(Cue a certain someone slating me now for buying into the Albion PR hype machine, or whatever he calls it.)
Well said! And yes, it was on The Albion Roar.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: What direction would the club be going if it was not for Burke and Barber they have both have great knowledge off football business that's why Bloom put them in charge off there duties, American Express and Nike did not knock on the Amex door they went out and got those deals done for the club, if Tony Bloom trusts them I think they should get a bit more respect than they actually get, if you or anyone else don't like them that's your choice, but I have no problem with them at our club, as for players coming in were always going to struggle paying big fees and wages, we can't compete with teams being relegated who are on parachute payments for four years, Fulham have just shown us that paying 11million for a championship player which to most people is crazy, if you don't trust or like b&b, what are you saying about the man who employs them, Bloom calls the shots with his trusted men at his side he's running a business and that business is our club!! nothing personal just my opinion Up the Albion!! Up the albion[/p][/quote]I think a lot of the grief Burke gets in particular is ignorance of what he does, and that is all the ammo some people need. Listening to the Albion Roar podcast (I think...) he gave great insight into what he does and the processes involved. No-one should really slag him off if they can't be bothered to listen to that first. And every time I've seen Barber interviewed he has come over really well, and has a wonderful reputation of replying - in length - to letters/emails he received from fans. Not only that he seems to be highly rated by his peers at other clubs. That, with TB's opinion of him, is easily good enough for me. (Cue a certain someone slating me now for buying into the Albion PR hype machine, or whatever he calls it.)[/p][/quote]Well said! And yes, it was on The Albion Roar. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

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