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Hughes aiming for top flight return with Albion

The Argus: Aaron Hughes wants Premier League football with Albion Aaron Hughes wants Premier League football with Albion

Aaron Hughes hopes his move to Albion can help him join the Premier League's elite 500 club.

The Northern Ireland veteran has made 455 top flight appearances for Newcastle, Aston Villa and Fulham.

Ten players have topped 500 outings. Hughes believes his move to Albion after dropping into the Championship with QPR at the back end of last season can get him back to the highest level.

The 34-year-old centre-half, Sami Hyypia's first signing, said: "This is a club that is set up to get into the Premier League, it has the players to do it and they have come close the last couple of years.

"With the manager here, who has impressed in Germany, I just get the feel it is going to be a good year for the club and I thought I would like to be a part of something.

"I was out of contract at QPR so I was a free agent and waiting to see what came up and this did, and it was a good opportunity for me to get back in playing football.

"I had a couple of things on the table and I was having a good think about what direction I wanted to go in at this stage of my career, being a little bit older now and more experienced.

"I just had to get a feel for what I wanted to do and I would love to get back into the Premier League again and I saw this as an opportunity to do that, and not only go up but stay up."

Jamie Carragher (508), Phil Neville (505) and Sol Campbell (503) are the only defenders with more appearances in the Premier League than Hughes. Ryan Giggs (632) heads the overall list.

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12:51pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Aye Aye says...

His top-flight experience and PMA will be of huge benefit to the rest of the squad, our youngsters in particular. A good appointment all round.
His top-flight experience and PMA will be of huge benefit to the rest of the squad, our youngsters in particular. A good appointment all round. Aye Aye
  • Score: 25

1:06pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Uckfield Seagull says...

Cant believe the negativity surrounding this, Upson was fantastic and I see no reason why Hughes shouldnt be, his experience will be vital to Dunk and adds vital back up to our defence, why some people moan is just beyond me, Hyypia will build a team, lets just support it. We all know we need a few more players but for heaven sake I am sure Hyypia knows this and will get it sorted.
Cant believe the negativity surrounding this, Upson was fantastic and I see no reason why Hughes shouldnt be, his experience will be vital to Dunk and adds vital back up to our defence, why some people moan is just beyond me, Hyypia will build a team, lets just support it. We all know we need a few more players but for heaven sake I am sure Hyypia knows this and will get it sorted. Uckfield Seagull
  • Score: 29

1:09pm Tue 15 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

455 games at the highest level, more than Hyppia looks like we got a bargain for free, great attitude as well, we look forward to seeing you in a Albion shirt!!
Onwards and upwards!!
455 games at the highest level, more than Hyppia looks like we got a bargain for free, great attitude as well, we look forward to seeing you in a Albion shirt!! Onwards and upwards!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 25

1:10pm Tue 15 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Some may say he`s too old ,but he`s fit , healthy and with todays medical staff at The Albion ,there`s no reason to worry , in this one statement he has said ,he chose us ,he intends to fight for us ,and you don't get 455 top flight appearances if you cant cut it , Get in there mate !. UTA
Some may say he`s too old ,but he`s fit , healthy and with todays medical staff at The Albion ,there`s no reason to worry , in this one statement he has said ,he chose us ,he intends to fight for us ,and you don't get 455 top flight appearances if you cant cut it , Get in there mate !. UTA tug509
  • Score: 20

1:20pm Tue 15 Jul 14

kipper12 says...

a good signing with plenty of experience. one down , now a keeper , goalscorer and leftback needed. get wardy back asap before someone else snatches him .
UTA
a good signing with plenty of experience. one down , now a keeper , goalscorer and leftback needed. get wardy back asap before someone else snatches him . UTA kipper12
  • Score: 13

1:24pm Tue 15 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
Some may say he`s too old ,but he`s fit , healthy and with todays medical staff at The Albion ,there`s no reason to worry , in this one statement he has said ,he chose us ,he intends to fight for us ,and you don't get 455 top flight appearances if you cant cut it , Get in there mate !. UTA
Hi Tug.
Something that I find amusing from the trolls and wums is that, first they say we should never have let Upson go, we should have paid what ever it took to keep him, but then they complain about us signing Hughes because of his age, there is only 7 months between them with Upson being the older.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Some may say he`s too old ,but he`s fit , healthy and with todays medical staff at The Albion ,there`s no reason to worry , in this one statement he has said ,he chose us ,he intends to fight for us ,and you don't get 455 top flight appearances if you cant cut it , Get in there mate !. UTA[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. Something that I find amusing from the trolls and wums is that, first they say we should never have let Upson go, we should have paid what ever it took to keep him, but then they complain about us signing Hughes because of his age, there is only 7 months between them with Upson being the older. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 14

1:34pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Beale32 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Some may say he`s too old ,but he`s fit , healthy and with todays medical staff at The Albion ,there`s no reason to worry , in this one statement he has said ,he chose us ,he intends to fight for us ,and you don't get 455 top flight appearances if you cant cut it , Get in there mate !. UTA
Hi Tug.
Something that I find amusing from the trolls and wums is that, first they say we should never have let Upson go, we should have paid what ever it took to keep him, but then they complain about us signing Hughes because of his age, there is only 7 months between them with Upson being the older.
Was meant to give thumbs up not down!!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Some may say he`s too old ,but he`s fit , healthy and with todays medical staff at The Albion ,there`s no reason to worry , in this one statement he has said ,he chose us ,he intends to fight for us ,and you don't get 455 top flight appearances if you cant cut it , Get in there mate !. UTA[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. Something that I find amusing from the trolls and wums is that, first they say we should never have let Upson go, we should have paid what ever it took to keep him, but then they complain about us signing Hughes because of his age, there is only 7 months between them with Upson being the older.[/p][/quote]Was meant to give thumbs up not down!! Beale32
  • Score: 3

1:39pm Tue 15 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Hey Vegas , I know it makes no sense he`s 35 later this year , and to think Charlize Theron is 38 ,wouldn`t moan at that would they :0)-
Sorry mate , in recent times we've relied heavily on experience to get us through ,especially at the back ,I would still trust Ini to play his socks off and out read a game over many younger players ,GG always gives his best ,as you say Matty did us proud ,as did Wayne Bridge season before last . Given the knowledge of the game this guy will have built up ,it should be a cake walk for him ,and as already been said help the young'uns out . UTA
Hey Vegas , I know it makes no sense he`s 35 later this year , and to think Charlize Theron is 38 ,wouldn`t moan at that would they :0)- Sorry mate , in recent times we've relied heavily on experience to get us through ,especially at the back ,I would still trust Ini to play his socks off and out read a game over many younger players ,GG always gives his best ,as you say Matty did us proud ,as did Wayne Bridge season before last . Given the knowledge of the game this guy will have built up ,it should be a cake walk for him ,and as already been said help the young'uns out . UTA tug509
  • Score: 9

1:54pm Tue 15 Jul 14

To baldly go says...

He will do us a job,no complaints there, but if the younger players, Dunk, Maksi and Chicksen get little game time they wont improve or hang around, thats my main concern!
Like every Albion supporter i will cheer the lads on who ever they are, but we need to plan for the future not for one year. UTA
He will do us a job,no complaints there, but if the younger players, Dunk, Maksi and Chicksen get little game time they wont improve or hang around, thats my main concern! Like every Albion supporter i will cheer the lads on who ever they are, but we need to plan for the future not for one year. UTA To baldly go
  • Score: 12

1:54pm Tue 15 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
Hey Vegas , I know it makes no sense he`s 35 later this year , and to think Charlize Theron is 38 ,wouldn`t moan at that would they :0)-
Sorry mate , in recent times we've relied heavily on experience to get us through ,especially at the back ,I would still trust Ini to play his socks off and out read a game over many younger players ,GG always gives his best ,as you say Matty did us proud ,as did Wayne Bridge season before last . Given the knowledge of the game this guy will have built up ,it should be a cake walk for him ,and as already been said help the young'uns out . UTA
You make your point well Tug.
If the younger players don't learn from the likes of Bridge, Upson and Hughes both on the training field and in matches, then the lads will have missed an opportunity. Maksi has expressed a wish to fill one of our CB positions, with the arrival of Hughes he should target Greer's place, and working alongside Hughes, and with Hyypia as the gaffer, they can help him do that, and I would say the same applies to Dunk.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Hey Vegas , I know it makes no sense he`s 35 later this year , and to think Charlize Theron is 38 ,wouldn`t moan at that would they :0)- Sorry mate , in recent times we've relied heavily on experience to get us through ,especially at the back ,I would still trust Ini to play his socks off and out read a game over many younger players ,GG always gives his best ,as you say Matty did us proud ,as did Wayne Bridge season before last . Given the knowledge of the game this guy will have built up ,it should be a cake walk for him ,and as already been said help the young'uns out . UTA[/p][/quote]You make your point well Tug. If the younger players don't learn from the likes of Bridge, Upson and Hughes both on the training field and in matches, then the lads will have missed an opportunity. Maksi has expressed a wish to fill one of our CB positions, with the arrival of Hughes he should target Greer's place, and working alongside Hughes, and with Hyypia as the gaffer, they can help him do that, and I would say the same applies to Dunk. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 6

2:05pm Tue 15 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Hi TBG ,it`s a lousy position to be in ,a bit of a catch 22 ,play the young lads and heaven forbid they fail ,and it might effect them long term ,play them and they do really well ,and it becomes a problem for the senior lads . With the forwards it`s never as much a problem ,if they have a bad game they can be subbed for another game ,no harm done ,but for the defenders it`s a bit like a keeper ,one mistake and your 1-0 down , that`s why my faith is in Sami to forge a mix that will allow for both young and experienced to thrive . Yes I know ,sounds obvious ,but maybe with Sami it is !. UTA
Hi TBG ,it`s a lousy position to be in ,a bit of a catch 22 ,play the young lads and heaven forbid they fail ,and it might effect them long term ,play them and they do really well ,and it becomes a problem for the senior lads . With the forwards it`s never as much a problem ,if they have a bad game they can be subbed for another game ,no harm done ,but for the defenders it`s a bit like a keeper ,one mistake and your 1-0 down , that`s why my faith is in Sami to forge a mix that will allow for both young and experienced to thrive . Yes I know ,sounds obvious ,but maybe with Sami it is !. UTA tug509
  • Score: 5

2:07pm Tue 15 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

To baldly go wrote:
He will do us a job,no complaints there, but if the younger players, Dunk, Maksi and Chicksen get little game time they wont improve or hang around, thats my main concern!
Like every Albion supporter i will cheer the lads on who ever they are, but we need to plan for the future not for one year. UTA
You are right TBG, we should plan for the future, but we also have to take care of today. Making the top six two years on the bounce is a pretty big deal, IMHO, and our younger players played a big part last season.
Hughes will start our league matches but the younger lads will probably get the nod for the cup matches, and there might be times when Hughes is out for what ever reason, same for Greer. Even if just one of Greer or Hughes steps down for a cup match, that still represents a chance to shine. The most important thing, IMHO, is that if a younger lad shows well in the cup matches, or when called upon to fill in due to what ever, Hyypia, I hope, will give them the nod for the next league match. Performance is the key to the door, and if a player performs well, then he should be rewarded, his age shouldn't have anything to do with it.
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: He will do us a job,no complaints there, but if the younger players, Dunk, Maksi and Chicksen get little game time they wont improve or hang around, thats my main concern! Like every Albion supporter i will cheer the lads on who ever they are, but we need to plan for the future not for one year. UTA[/p][/quote]You are right TBG, we should plan for the future, but we also have to take care of today. Making the top six two years on the bounce is a pretty big deal, IMHO, and our younger players played a big part last season. Hughes will start our league matches but the younger lads will probably get the nod for the cup matches, and there might be times when Hughes is out for what ever reason, same for Greer. Even if just one of Greer or Hughes steps down for a cup match, that still represents a chance to shine. The most important thing, IMHO, is that if a younger lad shows well in the cup matches, or when called upon to fill in due to what ever, Hyypia, I hope, will give them the nod for the next league match. Performance is the key to the door, and if a player performs well, then he should be rewarded, his age shouldn't have anything to do with it. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

2:13pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

I agree that we should build for the future, but not at the expense of the forthcoming season. Too many times I've seen clubs obsessed with 'the future' only to never have a decent team in the here and now. Hughes is for the now.
I agree that we should build for the future, but not at the expense of the forthcoming season. Too many times I've seen clubs obsessed with 'the future' only to never have a decent team in the here and now. Hughes is for the now. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 7

2:13pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

I agree that we should build for the future, but not at the expense of the forthcoming season. Too many times I've seen clubs obsessed with 'the future' only to never have a decent team in the here and now. Hughes is for the now.
I agree that we should build for the future, but not at the expense of the forthcoming season. Too many times I've seen clubs obsessed with 'the future' only to never have a decent team in the here and now. Hughes is for the now. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

2:17pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Looks like he has looked after himself and has got a good attitude.
Surprised QPR let him go but I suppose they've got to pay Bobby Z's new deal somehow!
Aaron is a good acquisition and his experience will be invaluable for our younger players.
A very good piece of business indeed. UTA
Looks like he has looked after himself and has got a good attitude. Surprised QPR let him go but I suppose they've got to pay Bobby Z's new deal somehow! Aaron is a good acquisition and his experience will be invaluable for our younger players. A very good piece of business indeed. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 11

2:21pm Tue 15 Jul 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

A really good signing. Great role model as well for the youngsters. Great characters like this are so valuable when going for promotion. I'm so pleased that manager and others at the club are supporting the concept that age is only a number - at both ends of the spectrum. I am grateful I was able to witness the one and only Stanley Matthews playing in the top division at 50 and interestingly, he made his debut at 17! One of the most sporting and fairest players you could wish to meet. He was also a complete tee total and mostly vegetarian. Maybe some correlation in those facts.

I have a feeling that Aaron Hughes will be a great asset to us. Welcome to The Amex!
A really good signing. Great role model as well for the youngsters. Great characters like this are so valuable when going for promotion. I'm so pleased that manager and others at the club are supporting the concept that age is only a number - at both ends of the spectrum. I am grateful I was able to witness the one and only Stanley Matthews playing in the top division at 50 and interestingly, he made his debut at 17! One of the most sporting and fairest players you could wish to meet. He was also a complete tee total and mostly vegetarian. Maybe some correlation in those facts. I have a feeling that Aaron Hughes will be a great asset to us. Welcome to The Amex! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 15

2:34pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
A really good signing. Great role model as well for the youngsters. Great characters like this are so valuable when going for promotion. I'm so pleased that manager and others at the club are supporting the concept that age is only a number - at both ends of the spectrum. I am grateful I was able to witness the one and only Stanley Matthews playing in the top division at 50 and interestingly, he made his debut at 17! One of the most sporting and fairest players you could wish to meet. He was also a complete tee total and mostly vegetarian. Maybe some correlation in those facts.

I have a feeling that Aaron Hughes will be a great asset to us. Welcome to The Amex!
There's definitely a correlation, but is there a causation? Probably not.

So long as Hughes' positional sense is good enough - and the amount of games he's played suggests it is - then he will be able to mask any age-related lack of pace. He doesn't score many though, which means he'll fit right in with our back four :-)
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: A really good signing. Great role model as well for the youngsters. Great characters like this are so valuable when going for promotion. I'm so pleased that manager and others at the club are supporting the concept that age is only a number - at both ends of the spectrum. I am grateful I was able to witness the one and only Stanley Matthews playing in the top division at 50 and interestingly, he made his debut at 17! One of the most sporting and fairest players you could wish to meet. He was also a complete tee total and mostly vegetarian. Maybe some correlation in those facts. I have a feeling that Aaron Hughes will be a great asset to us. Welcome to The Amex![/p][/quote]There's definitely a correlation, but is there a causation? Probably not. So long as Hughes' positional sense is good enough - and the amount of games he's played suggests it is - then he will be able to mask any age-related lack of pace. He doesn't score many though, which means he'll fit right in with our back four :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 6

2:36pm Tue 15 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Liverpool's 18 yearold winger Jordon Ibe a reported loan target for Brighton.
Liverpool's 18 yearold winger Jordon Ibe a reported loan target for Brighton. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 9

2:43pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Liverpool's 18 yearold winger Jordon Ibe a reported loan target for Brighton.
MTBS mentioned him last week and said he's quick. Didn't say anything about skills though AFAICR.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Liverpool's 18 yearold winger Jordon Ibe a reported loan target for Brighton.[/p][/quote]MTBS mentioned him last week and said he's quick. Didn't say anything about skills though AFAICR. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

2:49pm Tue 15 Jul 14

tug509 says...

tug509 wrote:
Hi TBG ,it`s a lousy position to be in ,a bit of a catch 22 ,play the young lads and heaven forbid they fail ,and it might effect them long term ,play them and they do really well ,and it becomes a problem for the senior lads . With the forwards it`s never as much a problem ,if they have a bad game they can be subbed for another game ,no harm done ,but for the defenders it`s a bit like a keeper ,one mistake and your 1-0 down , that`s why my faith is in Sami to forge a mix that will allow for both young and experienced to thrive . Yes I know ,sounds obvious ,but maybe with Sami it is !. UTA
Sorry that's awful ,what I was trying to say is ,it`s gonna be tough to choose the right time for the young lads ,but Sami will know !. UTA
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Hi TBG ,it`s a lousy position to be in ,a bit of a catch 22 ,play the young lads and heaven forbid they fail ,and it might effect them long term ,play them and they do really well ,and it becomes a problem for the senior lads . With the forwards it`s never as much a problem ,if they have a bad game they can be subbed for another game ,no harm done ,but for the defenders it`s a bit like a keeper ,one mistake and your 1-0 down , that`s why my faith is in Sami to forge a mix that will allow for both young and experienced to thrive . Yes I know ,sounds obvious ,but maybe with Sami it is !. UTA[/p][/quote]Sorry that's awful ,what I was trying to say is ,it`s gonna be tough to choose the right time for the young lads ,but Sami will know !. UTA tug509
  • Score: 1

3:06pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

We are no better off with Hughes than we were with Upson, slightly worse off in fact. The only way he'll get premier league football with the Albion might be if he signs for west brom. But hopefully us if we spend a good few million on players.
We are no better off with Hughes than we were with Upson, slightly worse off in fact. The only way he'll get premier league football with the Albion might be if he signs for west brom. But hopefully us if we spend a good few million on players. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -16

3:06pm Tue 15 Jul 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

kipper12 wrote:
a good signing with plenty of experience. one down , now a keeper , goalscorer and leftback needed. get wardy back asap before someone else snatches him .
UTA
If for any reason SH can't get Wardy ,I wonder if he'll go for John Arne Riise who is a free agent- Old Liverpool connection and all that!
[quote][p][bold]kipper12[/bold] wrote: a good signing with plenty of experience. one down , now a keeper , goalscorer and leftback needed. get wardy back asap before someone else snatches him . UTA[/p][/quote]If for any reason SH can't get Wardy ,I wonder if he'll go for John Arne Riise who is a free agent- Old Liverpool connection and all that! SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 5

3:10pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Liverpool's 18 yearold winger Jordon Ibe a reported loan target for Brighton.
MTBS mentioned him last week and said he's quick. Didn't say anything about skills though AFAICR.
That's terrible, can't even spell Africa properly.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Liverpool's 18 yearold winger Jordon Ibe a reported loan target for Brighton.[/p][/quote]MTBS mentioned him last week and said he's quick. Didn't say anything about skills though AFAICR.[/p][/quote]That's terrible, can't even spell Africa properly. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -2

3:26pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Neville says...

Jus reading the bbc website and Notts Frst just bought ex Bcn defender to go with several other players they have bought. No FFP for them then.
Jus reading the bbc website and Notts Frst just bought ex Bcn defender to go with several other players they have bought. No FFP for them then. Neville
  • Score: -8

3:34pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

What a good thread - it actually took quite a while for the obvious d1ckhead to appear!

I agree wholeheartedly with you Tug that age and experience vs youth and planning for the future is a delicate conundrum. But what a good problem Samu to have! Also agree with you Vegas that cup matches are for putting the younger players out there and that if they perform they should keep their place for the next league match(es) at least until knocked back down the pecking order by competition from within the squad.

It's really interesting that one good signing seems to have calmed nerves and most of us can see a good team building before our eyes.

It's warming up nicely folks... really looking forward to the new season and excited about who else will come in to join our promotion push!

UTA and come on you Seeeeeeaaaaagulls!!
What a good thread - it actually took quite a while for the obvious d1ckhead to appear! I agree wholeheartedly with you Tug that age and experience vs youth and planning for the future is a delicate conundrum. But what a good problem Samu to have! Also agree with you Vegas that cup matches are for putting the younger players out there and that if they perform they should keep their place for the next league match(es) at least until knocked back down the pecking order by competition from within the squad. It's really interesting that one good signing seems to have calmed nerves and most of us can see a good team building before our eyes. [cue the obvious ones now coming in to try and turn pre-season enthusiasm into doom and gloom!!] It's warming up nicely folks... really looking forward to the new season and excited about who else will come in to join our promotion push! UTA and come on you Seeeeeeaaaaagulls!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 6

3:34pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Neville wrote:
Jus reading the bbc website and Notts Frst just bought ex Bcn defender to go with several other players they have bought. No FFP for them then.
Orlandi is ex-Barca - does that mean we were also flouting FFP when we signed hmi? :-)
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Jus reading the bbc website and Notts Frst just bought ex Bcn defender to go with several other players they have bought. No FFP for them then.[/p][/quote]Orlandi is ex-Barca - does that mean we were also flouting FFP when we signed hmi? :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

3:38pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Sorry, also meant to say...

For a guy who has just signed a one year contract with us, it's great to hear him talking about what he wants to be doing with us the following season. Great attitude, love it!

Welcome to the Albion Aaron!
Sorry, also meant to say... For a guy who has just signed a one year contract with us, it's great to hear him talking about what he wants to be doing with us the following season. Great attitude, love it! Welcome to the Albion Aaron! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 6

3:39pm Tue 15 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Liverpool's 18 yearold winger Jordon Ibe a reported loan target for Brighton.
On the same FLW website there is a report that Derby are considering a move for LuaLua. Surprising.
Regarding Hughes (Good acquisition BTW) I think it is worthwhile not forgetting that he can also play FB although CB is obviously his preferred position. One of the things that appeals to me about Hughes apart from his depth of experience is his potential versatility.
So there is one scenario (unlikely I admit) where If we didn't sign Ward or some other LB that in the short term Hughes could be deployed at LB allowing Dunk to partner GG at CB. Alternatively if SH wanted to use Wing-Backs with 3 CBs to help speed up the 'Transition' stage, as we saw being used sometimes in the World Cup, then Hughes would be one of the 3 CBs.
I liked the tone and attitude of Hughes's interview on the club website, most positive. I look forward to more quality signings both young players and those with more experience. Really hope we can pick-up another hidden prospect like a Bridcutt or Ince amongst them.
Onwards and upwards - UTA.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Liverpool's 18 yearold winger Jordon Ibe a reported loan target for Brighton.[/p][/quote]On the same FLW website there is a report that Derby are considering a move for LuaLua. Surprising. Regarding Hughes (Good acquisition BTW) I think it is worthwhile not forgetting that he can also play FB although CB is obviously his preferred position. One of the things that appeals to me about Hughes apart from his depth of experience is his potential versatility. So there is one scenario (unlikely I admit) where If we didn't sign Ward or some other LB that in the short term Hughes could be deployed at LB allowing Dunk to partner GG at CB. Alternatively if SH wanted to use Wing-Backs with 3 CBs to help speed up the 'Transition' stage, as we saw being used sometimes in the World Cup, then Hughes would be one of the 3 CBs. I liked the tone and attitude of Hughes's interview on the club website, most positive. I look forward to more quality signings both young players and those with more experience. Really hope we can pick-up another hidden prospect like a Bridcutt or Ince amongst them. Onwards and upwards - UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 8

4:18pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Neville wrote:
Jus reading the bbc website and Notts Frst just bought ex Bcn defender to go with several other players they have bought. No FFP for them then.
Just read about it; at least I assume I have because the one on the BBC website is an untried 19 year-old out of Barca's academy, who's joined two free transfers and a lad out of the Dutch second division.
Not sure how that equates to Forest flouting FFP, unless you work on the basis grass is always greener...
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Jus reading the bbc website and Notts Frst just bought ex Bcn defender to go with several other players they have bought. No FFP for them then.[/p][/quote]Just read about it; at least I assume I have because the one on the BBC website is an untried 19 year-old out of Barca's academy, who's joined two free transfers and a lad out of the Dutch second division. Not sure how that equates to Forest flouting FFP, unless you work on the basis grass is always greener... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 5

4:52pm Tue 15 Jul 14

To baldly go says...

Tug, Vegas, agree with what you both are saying, but, all three of our so called young defenders are 23 this year! we should be playing them! Dunk has been on the side lines for 3 seasons now, Chicksen and Maksi all last season, they will not wait for ever to get their chances. Dunk, yes he may have missed a season for certain reasons we know, and how does Maksi feel, he plays international football but can't get a club game! I would give them a chance early season, then if and only if it goes wrong swap with the more experienced players, we need to bring them on in their development or they will move on themselves leaving us looking for a complete defence next season. Other teams kick out their youngsters if not good enough before they are twenty, if these three are good enough at 23 they should be playing not still learning. I know I keep on about it, but I would take a mediocre year and develop a young squad (DERBY) over constantly bringing in players on a yearly basis. Roll on the start of the season and see what happens, either way? UTA
Tug, Vegas, agree with what you both are saying, but, all three of our so called young defenders are 23 this year! we should be playing them! Dunk has been on the side lines for 3 seasons now, Chicksen and Maksi all last season, they will not wait for ever to get their chances. Dunk, yes he may have missed a season for certain reasons we know, and how does Maksi feel, he plays international football but can't get a club game! I would give them a chance early season, then if and only if it goes wrong swap with the more experienced players, we need to bring them on in their development or they will move on themselves leaving us looking for a complete defence next season. Other teams kick out their youngsters if not good enough before they are twenty, if these three are good enough at 23 they should be playing not still learning. I know I keep on about it, but I would take a mediocre year and develop a young squad (DERBY) over constantly bringing in players on a yearly basis. Roll on the start of the season and see what happens, either way? UTA To baldly go
  • Score: 12

4:55pm Tue 15 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

If you look at the two players that have arrived, they both look like sensible aquisitions. Andrews loan period came to an end and Toko looks like a sensible replacement to work with Ince. We lost Upson and needed to replace both his experience and ability, Hughes would appear to tick both those boxes.
If Hyypia continues to plug the holes created by departures of last season, does it follow that he might want to install a left back, or will Chicksen get the role, a good pre-season might suggest he will.
With Barnes having gone I guess that this is another hole but Lingard going isn't as he was a late replacement for Crofts, and Crofts will return. I would argue that CMS being fit doesn't fill the hole up front and neither would Shamir as, IMHO, we need four strikers.

So for me the holes that still need filling in are, a keeper, a stiker and one more center back, possibly just a back up CB, any other new players will be to improve on what we have. If Hyypia is happy with what he has seen, he may just go for three more signings, plug those holes, and call it a day until January. Those that are looking for another 5 or 6 to arrive, maybe won't get their wishes.
If you look at the two players that have arrived, they both look like sensible aquisitions. Andrews loan period came to an end and Toko looks like a sensible replacement to work with Ince. We lost Upson and needed to replace both his experience and ability, Hughes would appear to tick both those boxes. If Hyypia continues to plug the holes created by departures of last season, does it follow that he might want to install a left back, or will Chicksen get the role, a good pre-season might suggest he will. With Barnes having gone I guess that this is another hole but Lingard going isn't as he was a late replacement for Crofts, and Crofts will return. I would argue that CMS being fit doesn't fill the hole up front and neither would Shamir as, IMHO, we need four strikers. So for me the holes that still need filling in are, a keeper, a stiker and one more center back, possibly just a back up CB, any other new players will be to improve on what we have. If Hyypia is happy with what he has seen, he may just go for three more signings, plug those holes, and call it a day until January. Those that are looking for another 5 or 6 to arrive, maybe won't get their wishes. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

5:08pm Tue 15 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

To baldly go wrote:
Tug, Vegas, agree with what you both are saying, but, all three of our so called young defenders are 23 this year! we should be playing them! Dunk has been on the side lines for 3 seasons now, Chicksen and Maksi all last season, they will not wait for ever to get their chances. Dunk, yes he may have missed a season for certain reasons we know, and how does Maksi feel, he plays international football but can't get a club game! I would give them a chance early season, then if and only if it goes wrong swap with the more experienced players, we need to bring them on in their development or they will move on themselves leaving us looking for a complete defence next season. Other teams kick out their youngsters if not good enough before they are twenty, if these three are good enough at 23 they should be playing not still learning. I know I keep on about it, but I would take a mediocre year and develop a young squad (DERBY) over constantly bringing in players on a yearly basis. Roll on the start of the season and see what happens, either way? UTA
TBG, I don't dissagree with you but we must sign players to replace those you have mentioned just in case letting them loose at the start of the season doesn't work out for them. To be honest I would rather start with experience, give the others their chance in the first of our cup matches, and if they deliver, then give them a chance in the league games.
If we agree that there are zero, 'easy games in the Champ Div, we might also agree that our first few, 'might,' not be as hard as some, so we should be looking to pick up early season points. I think it would be one heck of a gamble to opt to not field our strongest team for the early matches, and we will have some new guys who will benefit from match time. Hyypia has promised somewhat of a different style to our play, again having experience on the park might be a sensible move just in case errors are made whilst all are adapting.

If we can get ahead in the early games, a two goal lead, there is no reason not to sub out players with 30 to go.
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: Tug, Vegas, agree with what you both are saying, but, all three of our so called young defenders are 23 this year! we should be playing them! Dunk has been on the side lines for 3 seasons now, Chicksen and Maksi all last season, they will not wait for ever to get their chances. Dunk, yes he may have missed a season for certain reasons we know, and how does Maksi feel, he plays international football but can't get a club game! I would give them a chance early season, then if and only if it goes wrong swap with the more experienced players, we need to bring them on in their development or they will move on themselves leaving us looking for a complete defence next season. Other teams kick out their youngsters if not good enough before they are twenty, if these three are good enough at 23 they should be playing not still learning. I know I keep on about it, but I would take a mediocre year and develop a young squad (DERBY) over constantly bringing in players on a yearly basis. Roll on the start of the season and see what happens, either way? UTA[/p][/quote]TBG, I don't dissagree with you but we must sign players to replace those you have mentioned just in case letting them loose at the start of the season doesn't work out for them. To be honest I would rather start with experience, give the others their chance in the first of our cup matches, and if they deliver, then give them a chance in the league games. If we agree that there are zero, 'easy games in the Champ Div, we might also agree that our first few, 'might,' not be as hard as some, so we should be looking to pick up early season points. I think it would be one heck of a gamble to opt to not field our strongest team for the early matches, and we will have some new guys who will benefit from match time. Hyypia has promised somewhat of a different style to our play, again having experience on the park might be a sensible move just in case errors are made whilst all are adapting. If we can get ahead in the early games, a two goal lead, there is no reason not to sub out players with 30 to go. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

5:13pm Tue 15 Jul 14

farside says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Liverpool's 18 yearold winger Jordon Ibe a reported loan target for Brighton.
MTBS mentioned him last week and said he's quick. Didn't say anything about skills though AFAICR.
Andy Naylor had Ibe on a list of potential Liverpool loamees just after Sami was appointed...not rocket science - did well at Birmingham last season.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Liverpool's 18 yearold winger Jordon Ibe a reported loan target for Brighton.[/p][/quote]MTBS mentioned him last week and said he's quick. Didn't say anything about skills though AFAICR.[/p][/quote]Andy Naylor had Ibe on a list of potential Liverpool loamees just after Sami was appointed...not rocket science - did well at Birmingham last season. farside
  • Score: 5

5:16pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Neville says...

Albion in Staffs
The second div Dutch player to whom you refer is Veldwijk and transfer fee reputed to be 2m. NF were 17m in debt season 2012/3 and last season even worse. The owner confident sponsorship deals abroad will plug the gap and does not expect any fines. What a joke!
Ready for more thumbs down from so called fans who live in cloud cuckoo land and believe FFP will sort out all the inbalances in this league.
Albion in Staffs The second div Dutch player to whom you refer is Veldwijk and transfer fee reputed to be 2m. NF were 17m in debt season 2012/3 and last season even worse. The owner confident sponsorship deals abroad will plug the gap and does not expect any fines. What a joke! Ready for more thumbs down from so called fans who live in cloud cuckoo land and believe FFP will sort out all the inbalances in this league. Neville
  • Score: -2

5:19pm Tue 15 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

farside wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Liverpool's 18 yearold winger Jordon Ibe a reported loan target for Brighton.
MTBS mentioned him last week and said he's quick. Didn't say anything about skills though AFAICR.
Andy Naylor had Ibe on a list of potential Liverpool loamees just after Sami was appointed...not rocket science - did well at Birmingham last season.
This guy is quicker than sterling by a metre , but do we need another winger?
[quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Liverpool's 18 yearold winger Jordon Ibe a reported loan target for Brighton.[/p][/quote]MTBS mentioned him last week and said he's quick. Didn't say anything about skills though AFAICR.[/p][/quote]Andy Naylor had Ibe on a list of potential Liverpool loamees just after Sami was appointed...not rocket science - did well at Birmingham last season.[/p][/quote]This guy is quicker than sterling by a metre , but do we need another winger? mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

5:31pm Tue 15 Jul 14

To baldly go says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
Tug, Vegas, agree with what you both are saying, but, all three of our so called young defenders are 23 this year! we should be playing them! Dunk has been on the side lines for 3 seasons now, Chicksen and Maksi all last season, they will not wait for ever to get their chances. Dunk, yes he may have missed a season for certain reasons we know, and how does Maksi feel, he plays international football but can't get a club game! I would give them a chance early season, then if and only if it goes wrong swap with the more experienced players, we need to bring them on in their development or they will move on themselves leaving us looking for a complete defence next season. Other teams kick out their youngsters if not good enough before they are twenty, if these three are good enough at 23 they should be playing not still learning. I know I keep on about it, but I would take a mediocre year and develop a young squad (DERBY) over constantly bringing in players on a yearly basis. Roll on the start of the season and see what happens, either way? UTA
TBG, I don't dissagree with you but we must sign players to replace those you have mentioned just in case letting them loose at the start of the season doesn't work out for them. To be honest I would rather start with experience, give the others their chance in the first of our cup matches, and if they deliver, then give them a chance in the league games.
If we agree that there are zero, 'easy games in the Champ Div, we might also agree that our first few, 'might,' not be as hard as some, so we should be looking to pick up early season points. I think it would be one heck of a gamble to opt to not field our strongest team for the early matches, and we will have some new guys who will benefit from match time. Hyypia has promised somewhat of a different style to our play, again having experience on the park might be a sensible move just in case errors are made whilst all are adapting.

If we can get ahead in the early games, a two goal lead, there is no reason not to sub out players with 30 to go.
Damned if we do damned if we don't in a way, at least we can discuss in an orderly fashion!
Another option, maybe if Ward doesn't materialise Chicksen and Maksi can cover that position with the other 3 rotating at CB, bring one more player in as cover at CB, that would give us 2 players in all the defensive positions?
Like yourself, I think we need another striker, 2, if you know who goes!
Is there a midfield maestro out there we can afford or is Agustien going to be that player? If everyone plays to their potential and a couple of DS lads play here and there, 2 or 3 signings would be enough until January, see where we are and push on from there! Just a bit weary of what other teams have done player wise though, and expect the toughest season yet.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: Tug, Vegas, agree with what you both are saying, but, all three of our so called young defenders are 23 this year! we should be playing them! Dunk has been on the side lines for 3 seasons now, Chicksen and Maksi all last season, they will not wait for ever to get their chances. Dunk, yes he may have missed a season for certain reasons we know, and how does Maksi feel, he plays international football but can't get a club game! I would give them a chance early season, then if and only if it goes wrong swap with the more experienced players, we need to bring them on in their development or they will move on themselves leaving us looking for a complete defence next season. Other teams kick out their youngsters if not good enough before they are twenty, if these three are good enough at 23 they should be playing not still learning. I know I keep on about it, but I would take a mediocre year and develop a young squad (DERBY) over constantly bringing in players on a yearly basis. Roll on the start of the season and see what happens, either way? UTA[/p][/quote]TBG, I don't dissagree with you but we must sign players to replace those you have mentioned just in case letting them loose at the start of the season doesn't work out for them. To be honest I would rather start with experience, give the others their chance in the first of our cup matches, and if they deliver, then give them a chance in the league games. If we agree that there are zero, 'easy games in the Champ Div, we might also agree that our first few, 'might,' not be as hard as some, so we should be looking to pick up early season points. I think it would be one heck of a gamble to opt to not field our strongest team for the early matches, and we will have some new guys who will benefit from match time. Hyypia has promised somewhat of a different style to our play, again having experience on the park might be a sensible move just in case errors are made whilst all are adapting. If we can get ahead in the early games, a two goal lead, there is no reason not to sub out players with 30 to go.[/p][/quote]Damned if we do damned if we don't in a way, at least we can discuss in an orderly fashion! Another option, maybe if Ward doesn't materialise Chicksen and Maksi can cover that position with the other 3 rotating at CB, bring one more player in as cover at CB, that would give us 2 players in all the defensive positions? Like yourself, I think we need another striker, 2, if you know who goes! Is there a midfield maestro out there we can afford or is Agustien going to be that player? If everyone plays to their potential and a couple of DS lads play here and there, 2 or 3 signings would be enough until January, see where we are and push on from there! Just a bit weary of what other teams have done player wise though, and expect the toughest season yet. To baldly go
  • Score: 2

5:37pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Neville wrote:
Albion in Staffs
The second div Dutch player to whom you refer is Veldwijk and transfer fee reputed to be 2m. NF were 17m in debt season 2012/3 and last season even worse. The owner confident sponsorship deals abroad will plug the gap and does not expect any fines. What a joke!
Ready for more thumbs down from so called fans who live in cloud cuckoo land and believe FFP will sort out all the inbalances in this league.
Are they any different from the so-called fans who have convinced themselves that FFP is a lame duck?
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Albion in Staffs The second div Dutch player to whom you refer is Veldwijk and transfer fee reputed to be 2m. NF were 17m in debt season 2012/3 and last season even worse. The owner confident sponsorship deals abroad will plug the gap and does not expect any fines. What a joke! Ready for more thumbs down from so called fans who live in cloud cuckoo land and believe FFP will sort out all the inbalances in this league.[/p][/quote]Are they any different from the so-called fans who have convinced themselves that FFP is a lame duck? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 10

5:39pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
farside wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Liverpool's 18 yearold winger Jordon Ibe a reported loan target for Brighton.
MTBS mentioned him last week and said he's quick. Didn't say anything about skills though AFAICR.
Andy Naylor had Ibe on a list of potential Liverpool loamees just after Sami was appointed...not rocket science - did well at Birmingham last season.
This guy is quicker than sterling by a metre , but do we need another winger?
A metre is a unit of measurement, not speed ;-) A metre quicker over two metres is impressive, a metre over the length of a pitch notsomuch.

However, so long as he's pacey, does he have the requisite skill? In fact, what ARE his skills? Tricky footwork, or "knock it past him and race to the bye-line"?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Liverpool's 18 yearold winger Jordon Ibe a reported loan target for Brighton.[/p][/quote]MTBS mentioned him last week and said he's quick. Didn't say anything about skills though AFAICR.[/p][/quote]Andy Naylor had Ibe on a list of potential Liverpool loamees just after Sami was appointed...not rocket science - did well at Birmingham last season.[/p][/quote]This guy is quicker than sterling by a metre , but do we need another winger?[/p][/quote]A metre is a unit of measurement, not speed ;-) A metre quicker over two metres is impressive, a metre over the length of a pitch notsomuch. However, so long as he's pacey, does he have the requisite skill? In fact, what ARE his skills? Tricky footwork, or "knock it past him and race to the bye-line"? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

5:50pm Tue 15 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
farside wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Liverpool's 18 yearold winger Jordon Ibe a reported loan target for Brighton.
MTBS mentioned him last week and said he's quick. Didn't say anything about skills though AFAICR.
Andy Naylor had Ibe on a list of potential Liverpool loamees just after Sami was appointed...not rocket science - did well at Birmingham last season.
This guy is quicker than sterling by a metre , but do we need another winger?
A metre is a unit of measurement, not speed ;-) A metre quicker over two metres is impressive, a metre over the length of a pitch notsomuch.

However, so long as he's pacey, does he have the requisite skill? In fact, what ARE his skills? Tricky footwork, or "knock it past him and race to the bye-line"?
He played against saints last year in the youth cup I believe? Or a friendly,
Someone I know said he was like Walcott but quicker!
If we play counter attacking football ideal, if we play tippy tappy , not so good.. I suppose he could be the next lua lua or the next Walcott ...
Fact he is playing championship football at 17-18 means he is pretty decent. Just wonder if moving down this far is for him?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Liverpool's 18 yearold winger Jordon Ibe a reported loan target for Brighton.[/p][/quote]MTBS mentioned him last week and said he's quick. Didn't say anything about skills though AFAICR.[/p][/quote]Andy Naylor had Ibe on a list of potential Liverpool loamees just after Sami was appointed...not rocket science - did well at Birmingham last season.[/p][/quote]This guy is quicker than sterling by a metre , but do we need another winger?[/p][/quote]A metre is a unit of measurement, not speed ;-) A metre quicker over two metres is impressive, a metre over the length of a pitch notsomuch. However, so long as he's pacey, does he have the requisite skill? In fact, what ARE his skills? Tricky footwork, or "knock it past him and race to the bye-line"?[/p][/quote]He played against saints last year in the youth cup I believe? Or a friendly, Someone I know said he was like Walcott but quicker! If we play counter attacking football ideal, if we play tippy tappy , not so good.. I suppose he could be the next lua lua or the next Walcott ... Fact he is playing championship football at 17-18 means he is pretty decent. Just wonder if moving down this far is for him? mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

6:05pm Tue 15 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

To baldly go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
Tug, Vegas, agree with what you both are saying, but, all three of our so called young defenders are 23 this year! we should be playing them! Dunk has been on the side lines for 3 seasons now, Chicksen and Maksi all last season, they will not wait for ever to get their chances. Dunk, yes he may have missed a season for certain reasons we know, and how does Maksi feel, he plays international football but can't get a club game! I would give them a chance early season, then if and only if it goes wrong swap with the more experienced players, we need to bring them on in their development or they will move on themselves leaving us looking for a complete defence next season. Other teams kick out their youngsters if not good enough before they are twenty, if these three are good enough at 23 they should be playing not still learning. I know I keep on about it, but I would take a mediocre year and develop a young squad (DERBY) over constantly bringing in players on a yearly basis. Roll on the start of the season and see what happens, either way? UTA
TBG, I don't dissagree with you but we must sign players to replace those you have mentioned just in case letting them loose at the start of the season doesn't work out for them. To be honest I would rather start with experience, give the others their chance in the first of our cup matches, and if they deliver, then give them a chance in the league games.
If we agree that there are zero, 'easy games in the Champ Div, we might also agree that our first few, 'might,' not be as hard as some, so we should be looking to pick up early season points. I think it would be one heck of a gamble to opt to not field our strongest team for the early matches, and we will have some new guys who will benefit from match time. Hyypia has promised somewhat of a different style to our play, again having experience on the park might be a sensible move just in case errors are made whilst all are adapting.

If we can get ahead in the early games, a two goal lead, there is no reason not to sub out players with 30 to go.
Damned if we do damned if we don't in a way, at least we can discuss in an orderly fashion!
Another option, maybe if Ward doesn't materialise Chicksen and Maksi can cover that position with the other 3 rotating at CB, bring one more player in as cover at CB, that would give us 2 players in all the defensive positions?
Like yourself, I think we need another striker, 2, if you know who goes!
Is there a midfield maestro out there we can afford or is Agustien going to be that player? If everyone plays to their potential and a couple of DS lads play here and there, 2 or 3 signings would be enough until January, see where we are and push on from there! Just a bit weary of what other teams have done player wise though, and expect the toughest season yet.
TBG, we might have not done much re new players but I think I am right in saying that Blackpool are in a worse position, worse in so much as we have our youngsters from last year.
We have 2 in and could get away with just 3 more, I think Blackpool would like to be where we are.

My guess is that the teams that got promoted have snapped up some low cost deals, not so sure that they have the quality yet to avoid facing a tough season ahead. The teams that have come down will have enormous fan pressure to bounce straight back up, and whilst they have picked up players, nothing should be taken for granted in our division.
Brighton are not broke, we can buy and we can borrow, our biggest pressure will be to reach the top 6 again and we have a fantastic core support. I owuld like to think that there is an air of excitement running thru the halls of the Amex, rather than fear of failure for those relegated, and concern of survival for those promoted.
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: Tug, Vegas, agree with what you both are saying, but, all three of our so called young defenders are 23 this year! we should be playing them! Dunk has been on the side lines for 3 seasons now, Chicksen and Maksi all last season, they will not wait for ever to get their chances. Dunk, yes he may have missed a season for certain reasons we know, and how does Maksi feel, he plays international football but can't get a club game! I would give them a chance early season, then if and only if it goes wrong swap with the more experienced players, we need to bring them on in their development or they will move on themselves leaving us looking for a complete defence next season. Other teams kick out their youngsters if not good enough before they are twenty, if these three are good enough at 23 they should be playing not still learning. I know I keep on about it, but I would take a mediocre year and develop a young squad (DERBY) over constantly bringing in players on a yearly basis. Roll on the start of the season and see what happens, either way? UTA[/p][/quote]TBG, I don't dissagree with you but we must sign players to replace those you have mentioned just in case letting them loose at the start of the season doesn't work out for them. To be honest I would rather start with experience, give the others their chance in the first of our cup matches, and if they deliver, then give them a chance in the league games. If we agree that there are zero, 'easy games in the Champ Div, we might also agree that our first few, 'might,' not be as hard as some, so we should be looking to pick up early season points. I think it would be one heck of a gamble to opt to not field our strongest team for the early matches, and we will have some new guys who will benefit from match time. Hyypia has promised somewhat of a different style to our play, again having experience on the park might be a sensible move just in case errors are made whilst all are adapting. If we can get ahead in the early games, a two goal lead, there is no reason not to sub out players with 30 to go.[/p][/quote]Damned if we do damned if we don't in a way, at least we can discuss in an orderly fashion! Another option, maybe if Ward doesn't materialise Chicksen and Maksi can cover that position with the other 3 rotating at CB, bring one more player in as cover at CB, that would give us 2 players in all the defensive positions? Like yourself, I think we need another striker, 2, if you know who goes! Is there a midfield maestro out there we can afford or is Agustien going to be that player? If everyone plays to their potential and a couple of DS lads play here and there, 2 or 3 signings would be enough until January, see where we are and push on from there! Just a bit weary of what other teams have done player wise though, and expect the toughest season yet.[/p][/quote]TBG, we might have not done much re new players but I think I am right in saying that Blackpool are in a worse position, worse in so much as we have our youngsters from last year. We have 2 in and could get away with just 3 more, I think Blackpool would like to be where we are. My guess is that the teams that got promoted have snapped up some low cost deals, not so sure that they have the quality yet to avoid facing a tough season ahead. The teams that have come down will have enormous fan pressure to bounce straight back up, and whilst they have picked up players, nothing should be taken for granted in our division. Brighton are not broke, we can buy and we can borrow, our biggest pressure will be to reach the top 6 again and we have a fantastic core support. I owuld like to think that there is an air of excitement running thru the halls of the Amex, rather than fear of failure for those relegated, and concern of survival for those promoted. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

6:49pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
farside wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Liverpool's 18 yearold winger Jordon Ibe a reported loan target for Brighton.
MTBS mentioned him last week and said he's quick. Didn't say anything about skills though AFAICR.
Andy Naylor had Ibe on a list of potential Liverpool loamees just after Sami was appointed...not rocket science - did well at Birmingham last season.
This guy is quicker than sterling by a metre , but do we need another winger?
A metre is a unit of measurement, not speed ;-) A metre quicker over two metres is impressive, a metre over the length of a pitch notsomuch.

However, so long as he's pacey, does he have the requisite skill? In fact, what ARE his skills? Tricky footwork, or "knock it past him and race to the bye-line"?
He played against saints last year in the youth cup I believe? Or a friendly,
Someone I know said he was like Walcott but quicker!
If we play counter attacking football ideal, if we play tippy tappy , not so good.. I suppose he could be the next lua lua or the next Walcott ...
Fact he is playing championship football at 17-18 means he is pretty decent. Just wonder if moving down this far is for him?
Hyypia has already said we'll be more of a counter-attacking team than we have been, so speed is essential.

As for location, Wikipedia has him as being born in Bermondsey, so this is more of a move back home.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]farside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Liverpool's 18 yearold winger Jordon Ibe a reported loan target for Brighton.[/p][/quote]MTBS mentioned him last week and said he's quick. Didn't say anything about skills though AFAICR.[/p][/quote]Andy Naylor had Ibe on a list of potential Liverpool loamees just after Sami was appointed...not rocket science - did well at Birmingham last season.[/p][/quote]This guy is quicker than sterling by a metre , but do we need another winger?[/p][/quote]A metre is a unit of measurement, not speed ;-) A metre quicker over two metres is impressive, a metre over the length of a pitch notsomuch. However, so long as he's pacey, does he have the requisite skill? In fact, what ARE his skills? Tricky footwork, or "knock it past him and race to the bye-line"?[/p][/quote]He played against saints last year in the youth cup I believe? Or a friendly, Someone I know said he was like Walcott but quicker! If we play counter attacking football ideal, if we play tippy tappy , not so good.. I suppose he could be the next lua lua or the next Walcott ... Fact he is playing championship football at 17-18 means he is pretty decent. Just wonder if moving down this far is for him?[/p][/quote]Hyypia has already said we'll be more of a counter-attacking team than we have been, so speed is essential. As for location, Wikipedia has him as being born in Bermondsey, so this is more of a move back home. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

7:36pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Jules boy says...

Neville wrote:
Jus reading the bbc website and Notts Frst just bought ex Bcn defender to go with several other players they have bought. No FFP for them then.
Notts Forest - don't care
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Jus reading the bbc website and Notts Frst just bought ex Bcn defender to go with several other players they have bought. No FFP for them then.[/p][/quote]Notts Forest - don't care Jules boy
  • Score: 2

7:40pm Tue 15 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If you look at the two players that have arrived, they both look like sensible aquisitions. Andrews loan period came to an end and Toko looks like a sensible replacement to work with Ince. We lost Upson and needed to replace both his experience and ability, Hughes would appear to tick both those boxes.
If Hyypia continues to plug the holes created by departures of last season, does it follow that he might want to install a left back, or will Chicksen get the role, a good pre-season might suggest he will.
With Barnes having gone I guess that this is another hole but Lingard going isn't as he was a late replacement for Crofts, and Crofts will return. I would argue that CMS being fit doesn't fill the hole up front and neither would Shamir as, IMHO, we need four strikers.

So for me the holes that still need filling in are, a keeper, a stiker and one more center back, possibly just a back up CB, any other new players will be to improve on what we have. If Hyypia is happy with what he has seen, he may just go for three more signings, plug those holes, and call it a day until January. Those that are looking for another 5 or 6 to arrive, maybe won't get their wishes.
Vegas re your list of further acquisitions to be made the Argus yesterday listed the following as likely signings:-
GK, LB, CB (now covered by Hughes), a Creative Midfielder, a Winger and at least one possibly 2 Strikers. Of course one may or may not agree with their list but it seems a logical one to me.
So I anticipate replacements for Kuszczak, Ward (if he isn't re-signed), Orlandi (creative midfielder), Lingard (winger), Barnes and Hoskins/Rodriguez if we want a 4th striker which like you I favour - although Fenelon could step up for that slot. I wouldn't rule out another young CB being signed if SH has any question marks over Maksimenko - bear in mind that we haven't replaced El-Abd. Furthermore we have also lost Bridcutt, Andrews and Lopez from midfield and only brought in Toko.
If Ulloa and LuaLua (rumours of Derby being interested) were to leave then even more recruits would be needed.
So at the moment it looks as if BHA are trying to sign at least another 5 (possibly 6) new players. SH is on record as saying that 6 or 7 new players were needed and since then only Hughes has joined
Incidentally for the record, Lingard was not brought in to cover Crofts enforced absence Stephens was.
It will be interesting to see exactly who and how many players are actually signed. I agree with your thought about picking up players in the January window since with the FFP rules due to be imposed at the end of this year there may be some bargin signings around.
UTA.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If you look at the two players that have arrived, they both look like sensible aquisitions. Andrews loan period came to an end and Toko looks like a sensible replacement to work with Ince. We lost Upson and needed to replace both his experience and ability, Hughes would appear to tick both those boxes. If Hyypia continues to plug the holes created by departures of last season, does it follow that he might want to install a left back, or will Chicksen get the role, a good pre-season might suggest he will. With Barnes having gone I guess that this is another hole but Lingard going isn't as he was a late replacement for Crofts, and Crofts will return. I would argue that CMS being fit doesn't fill the hole up front and neither would Shamir as, IMHO, we need four strikers. So for me the holes that still need filling in are, a keeper, a stiker and one more center back, possibly just a back up CB, any other new players will be to improve on what we have. If Hyypia is happy with what he has seen, he may just go for three more signings, plug those holes, and call it a day until January. Those that are looking for another 5 or 6 to arrive, maybe won't get their wishes.[/p][/quote]Vegas re your list of further acquisitions to be made the Argus yesterday listed the following as likely signings:- GK, LB, CB (now covered by Hughes), a Creative Midfielder, a Winger and at least one possibly 2 Strikers. Of course one may or may not agree with their list but it seems a logical one to me. So I anticipate replacements for Kuszczak, Ward (if he isn't re-signed), Orlandi (creative midfielder), Lingard (winger), Barnes and Hoskins/Rodriguez if we want a 4th striker which like you I favour - although Fenelon could step up for that slot. I wouldn't rule out another young CB being signed if SH has any question marks over Maksimenko - bear in mind that we haven't replaced El-Abd. Furthermore we have also lost Bridcutt, Andrews and Lopez from midfield and only brought in Toko. If Ulloa and LuaLua (rumours of Derby being interested) were to leave then even more recruits would be needed. So at the moment it looks as if BHA are trying to sign at least another 5 (possibly 6) new players. SH is on record as saying that 6 or 7 new players were needed and since then only Hughes has joined Incidentally for the record, Lingard was not brought in to cover Crofts enforced absence Stephens was. It will be interesting to see exactly who and how many players are actually signed. I agree with your thought about picking up players in the January window since with the FFP rules due to be imposed at the end of this year there may be some bargin signings around. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

8:07pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Oscar's Chin says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Liverpool's 18 yearold winger Jordon Ibe a reported loan target for Brighton.
Yes please! Great young prospect. Lively, pacey and skilful.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Liverpool's 18 yearold winger Jordon Ibe a reported loan target for Brighton.[/p][/quote]Yes please! Great young prospect. Lively, pacey and skilful. Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 4

8:56pm Tue 15 Jul 14

ringtone says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Neville wrote:
Albion in Staffs
The second div Dutch player to whom you refer is Veldwijk and transfer fee reputed to be 2m. NF were 17m in debt season 2012/3 and last season even worse. The owner confident sponsorship deals abroad will plug the gap and does not expect any fines. What a joke!
Ready for more thumbs down from so called fans who live in cloud cuckoo land and believe FFP will sort out all the inbalances in this league.
Are they any different from the so-called fans who have convinced themselves that FFP is a lame duck?
Anyone notice how cockwomble never makes comments on ex-pat Arnies posts?

Surely there is enough garbage there to keep our resident troll buster busy till xmas.

Coincidence, or do they type from the same keyboard.

Whatever happened to Tony Pulis another fictional poster on here.

That soon shut up when Palace actually started playing good football and geting results.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Albion in Staffs The second div Dutch player to whom you refer is Veldwijk and transfer fee reputed to be 2m. NF were 17m in debt season 2012/3 and last season even worse. The owner confident sponsorship deals abroad will plug the gap and does not expect any fines. What a joke! Ready for more thumbs down from so called fans who live in cloud cuckoo land and believe FFP will sort out all the inbalances in this league.[/p][/quote]Are they any different from the so-called fans who have convinced themselves that FFP is a lame duck?[/p][/quote]Anyone notice how cockwomble never makes comments on ex-pat Arnies posts? Surely there is enough garbage there to keep our resident troll buster busy till xmas. Coincidence, or do they type from the same keyboard. Whatever happened to Tony Pulis another fictional poster on here. That soon shut up when Palace actually started playing good football and geting results. ringtone
  • Score: -1

9:10pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Neville wrote:
Albion in Staffs
The second div Dutch player to whom you refer is Veldwijk and transfer fee reputed to be 2m. NF were 17m in debt season 2012/3 and last season even worse. The owner confident sponsorship deals abroad will plug the gap and does not expect any fines. What a joke!
Ready for more thumbs down from so called fans who live in cloud cuckoo land and believe FFP will sort out all the inbalances in this league.
Are you referring to Forest being in debt (as you suggest) or annual losses? Big difference when it comes to FFP. Perhaps Forest have done their sums and can afford £2mill plus free transfers. Doesn't mean they're flouting the FFP laws. You espoused the signing of a Barcelona player but he's nothing more than an academy player. Why let the facts spoils a good moan, eh??
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Albion in Staffs The second div Dutch player to whom you refer is Veldwijk and transfer fee reputed to be 2m. NF were 17m in debt season 2012/3 and last season even worse. The owner confident sponsorship deals abroad will plug the gap and does not expect any fines. What a joke! Ready for more thumbs down from so called fans who live in cloud cuckoo land and believe FFP will sort out all the inbalances in this league.[/p][/quote]Are you referring to Forest being in debt (as you suggest) or annual losses? Big difference when it comes to FFP. Perhaps Forest have done their sums and can afford £2mill plus free transfers. Doesn't mean they're flouting the FFP laws. You espoused the signing of a Barcelona player but he's nothing more than an academy player. Why let the facts spoils a good moan, eh?? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 4

9:25pm Tue 15 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Ballantrrae, I think we differ slightly as to how many players should be replaced, but that's what debate is all about.

I would prefer 4 strikers, but maybe just 3 of them need to be first choice types, Fenelon might well be the fourth, so one striker needed.
As with the forwards I would like to see 4 center backs, we have three so one more needed, but Maksi might cover for LB and CB positions.

Stephens was indeed bought to be cover for Crofts, but the late addition of Lingard, to me at least, looked more dangerous in that role.
Today I am not so sure that we need a new left back, I did but not so sure now. As mentioned ealier, I think by TBG, had Chicksen not been injured would we have even borrowed Ward.

With Stephens, Crofts, JFC and Kemmy the midfield looks pretty good to me.

Solly and Buckley out wide so yeah, another wide player would be good. If we can land Lingard he can attack from center or wide, and he has pace.

I think this side of January I could live with us getting a keeper, a CB, a striker and Lingard on loan, so four max.
Ballantrrae, I think we differ slightly as to how many players should be replaced, but that's what debate is all about. I would prefer 4 strikers, but maybe just 3 of them need to be first choice types, Fenelon might well be the fourth, so one striker needed. As with the forwards I would like to see 4 center backs, we have three so one more needed, but Maksi might cover for LB and CB positions. Stephens was indeed bought to be cover for Crofts, but the late addition of Lingard, to me at least, looked more dangerous in that role. Today I am not so sure that we need a new left back, I did but not so sure now. As mentioned ealier, I think by TBG, had Chicksen not been injured would we have even borrowed Ward. With Stephens, Crofts, JFC and Kemmy the midfield looks pretty good to me. Solly and Buckley out wide so yeah, another wide player would be good. If we can land Lingard he can attack from center or wide, and he has pace. I think this side of January I could live with us getting a keeper, a CB, a striker and Lingard on loan, so four max. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

9:35pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Neville says...

Albion in staffs
In the last financial year Nf posted Losses of 17.1 m with staff costs 21 m
Staff costs dwarfed the clubs turnover of 14.4 m and they have a face a fight to adhere to FFP this season.
In 2012/3 they had. 10mlosses and breached FFP but at that time no penalties in place.
So FFP is the issue,which you seem to dismiss and when the reckoning time comes and you see clubs avoiding or escaping punishment then you to May moan. Another wonderful example is Leicester who don,t give a hoot about FFP,why should they now they are in PL
Albion in staffs In the last financial year Nf posted Losses of 17.1 m with staff costs 21 m Staff costs dwarfed the clubs turnover of 14.4 m and they have a face a fight to adhere to FFP this season. In 2012/3 they had. 10mlosses and breached FFP but at that time no penalties in place. So FFP is the issue,which you seem to dismiss and when the reckoning time comes and you see clubs avoiding or escaping punishment then you to May moan. Another wonderful example is Leicester who don,t give a hoot about FFP,why should they now they are in PL Neville
  • Score: -2

9:35pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

ringtone wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Neville wrote:
Albion in Staffs
The second div Dutch player to whom you refer is Veldwijk and transfer fee reputed to be 2m. NF were 17m in debt season 2012/3 and last season even worse. The owner confident sponsorship deals abroad will plug the gap and does not expect any fines. What a joke!
Ready for more thumbs down from so called fans who live in cloud cuckoo land and believe FFP will sort out all the inbalances in this league.
Are they any different from the so-called fans who have convinced themselves that FFP is a lame duck?
Anyone notice how cockwomble never makes comments on ex-pat Arnies posts?

Surely there is enough garbage there to keep our resident troll buster busy till xmas.

Coincidence, or do they type from the same keyboard.

Whatever happened to Tony Pulis another fictional poster on here.

That soon shut up when Palace actually started playing good football and geting results.
like many others hes yet to be a massive enough cockwomble.maybe you could give him pointers to speed him along a bit like you did with mayfield.cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Albion in Staffs The second div Dutch player to whom you refer is Veldwijk and transfer fee reputed to be 2m. NF were 17m in debt season 2012/3 and last season even worse. The owner confident sponsorship deals abroad will plug the gap and does not expect any fines. What a joke! Ready for more thumbs down from so called fans who live in cloud cuckoo land and believe FFP will sort out all the inbalances in this league.[/p][/quote]Are they any different from the so-called fans who have convinced themselves that FFP is a lame duck?[/p][/quote]Anyone notice how cockwomble never makes comments on ex-pat Arnies posts? Surely there is enough garbage there to keep our resident troll buster busy till xmas. Coincidence, or do they type from the same keyboard. Whatever happened to Tony Pulis another fictional poster on here. That soon shut up when Palace actually started playing good football and geting results.[/p][/quote]like many others hes yet to be a massive enough cockwomble.maybe you could give him pointers to speed him along a bit like you did with mayfield.cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 5

9:43pm Tue 15 Jul 14

ringtone says...

Cockwomble wrote:
ringtone wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Neville wrote:
Albion in Staffs
The second div Dutch player to whom you refer is Veldwijk and transfer fee reputed to be 2m. NF were 17m in debt season 2012/3 and last season even worse. The owner confident sponsorship deals abroad will plug the gap and does not expect any fines. What a joke!
Ready for more thumbs down from so called fans who live in cloud cuckoo land and believe FFP will sort out all the inbalances in this league.
Are they any different from the so-called fans who have convinced themselves that FFP is a lame duck?
Anyone notice how cockwomble never makes comments on ex-pat Arnies posts?

Surely there is enough garbage there to keep our resident troll buster busy till xmas.

Coincidence, or do they type from the same keyboard.

Whatever happened to Tony Pulis another fictional poster on here.

That soon shut up when Palace actually started playing good football and geting results.
like many others hes yet to be a massive enough cockwomble.maybe you could give him pointers to speed him along a bit like you did with mayfield.cockwomble
Thank you
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Albion in Staffs The second div Dutch player to whom you refer is Veldwijk and transfer fee reputed to be 2m. NF were 17m in debt season 2012/3 and last season even worse. The owner confident sponsorship deals abroad will plug the gap and does not expect any fines. What a joke! Ready for more thumbs down from so called fans who live in cloud cuckoo land and believe FFP will sort out all the inbalances in this league.[/p][/quote]Are they any different from the so-called fans who have convinced themselves that FFP is a lame duck?[/p][/quote]Anyone notice how cockwomble never makes comments on ex-pat Arnies posts? Surely there is enough garbage there to keep our resident troll buster busy till xmas. Coincidence, or do they type from the same keyboard. Whatever happened to Tony Pulis another fictional poster on here. That soon shut up when Palace actually started playing good football and geting results.[/p][/quote]like many others hes yet to be a massive enough cockwomble.maybe you could give him pointers to speed him along a bit like you did with mayfield.cockwomble[/p][/quote]Thank you ringtone
  • Score: -3

10:40pm Tue 15 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Who took the photo ,should have got both badges in !.
Who took the photo ,should have got both badges in !. tug509
  • Score: -1
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