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Talking Point: Albion's Ulloa dilemma

The Argus: Leo Ulloa. Will he have the stomach for another season with Albion if a move to the Premier League does not materialise? Leo Ulloa. Will he have the stomach for another season with Albion if a move to the Premier League does not materialise?

Albion are in an awkward situation with Leo Ulloa.

They are understandably reluctant to lose their talismanic target man to Leicester City.

It will be very hard to replace not only his goals but also his hold-up and link-up play and aerial contribution defending set pieces.

But there is a flip side to Leicester's persistent pursuit of Ulloa.

The Seagulls run the risk of ending up with a disillusioned player if they price him out of his dream to play in the Premier League.

Four bids from the Foxes have been rejected so far, the latest last week for £6.25 million.

Leicester are expected to submit a fifth bid of £7 million and are said to be confident of eventually landing their top transfer target.

So what is a fair price for Ulloa?

Leicester are in the right ball park already. They are not prepared to meet the reported £10 million asking price and you can understand why. That has the whiff of an inflated figure for a player uproven in the top flight.

What about the £11 million Fulham have forked out for Leeds United hotshot Ross McCormack, I hear you cry?

McCormack was top scorer in the Championship last season with 28 goals.

That is twice as many as Ulloa scored, albeit his tally was inhibited by a two-and-a-half month injury absence.

Ulloa attracted Premier League interest in the previous two transfer windows.

He loves the club and the area but has become frustrated at seeing his chances of reaching the Premier League with the Seagulls eroded by what he regards as a lack of investment in the squad.

If he stays because the price on his head is too high then Albion could find themselves in circumstances as uncomfortable as endeavouring to replace him.

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5:18am Thu 17 Jul 14

lighteninglee says...

Just sell him and get as much as you can for him. The longer this drags on the less time Sami has of bringing in a replacement but Will need the money we get for leo to do so. You can't keep tryin to get by on a team of loanies...
Just sell him and get as much as you can for him. The longer this drags on the less time Sami has of bringing in a replacement but Will need the money we get for leo to do so. You can't keep tryin to get by on a team of loanies... lighteninglee
  • Score: 36

5:35am Thu 17 Jul 14

Alan G Skinner says...

If they pay £10m let him go, if not he should stay. Let's see where we are at Christmas, if we are looking good for promotion then Leo gets his wish with Albion, if we are not looking so good then we can look at the situation in January. In my opinion Leo should stay!! Plus I would like him to stay, a fantastic player and who we were searching for a very very very very very long time!!!!
If they pay £10m let him go, if not he should stay. Let's see where we are at Christmas, if we are looking good for promotion then Leo gets his wish with Albion, if we are not looking so good then we can look at the situation in January. In my opinion Leo should stay!! Plus I would like him to stay, a fantastic player and who we were searching for a very very very very very long time!!!! Alan G Skinner
  • Score: 14

6:08am Thu 17 Jul 14

Grendel says...

At £7 million we should sell, and invest that money in the squad.
At £7 million we should sell, and invest that money in the squad. Grendel
  • Score: 23

6:21am Thu 17 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

Grendel wrote:
At £7 million we should sell, and invest that money in the squad.
We really have reached our ceiling then? I think Gus comment that we had is spot on, Leo is right to want to move if premiership football is his aim! If he had a poor season here , what would he be worth this time next year? Also CMS is out of contract in less than a year, the club have a conundrum over next few weeks, .
The romour over season ticket sales seems not great, the club can't expect the new fans to watch poor quality .
[quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: At £7 million we should sell, and invest that money in the squad.[/p][/quote]We really have reached our ceiling then? I think Gus comment that we had is spot on, Leo is right to want to move if premiership football is his aim! If he had a poor season here , what would he be worth this time next year? Also CMS is out of contract in less than a year, the club have a conundrum over next few weeks, . The romour over season ticket sales seems not great, the club can't expect the new fans to watch poor quality . mark by the sea
  • Score: 8

6:22am Thu 17 Jul 14

MHubbs says...

I don't believe we will bring in sufficient quality to push on to the premier this year. I believe we are still building financially. Therefore I would sell also.

If Leo is disallusioned by an unambitious squad then we may loose him in January for far less than we are offered at present.

Alternatively, if the board are actually serious about spending large and seeking promotion then by all means keep the boy. I believe this is not the case however and we still have a year or three to wait on that.
I don't believe we will bring in sufficient quality to push on to the premier this year. I believe we are still building financially. Therefore I would sell also. If Leo is disallusioned by an unambitious squad then we may loose him in January for far less than we are offered at present. Alternatively, if the board are actually serious about spending large and seeking promotion then by all means keep the boy. I believe this is not the case however and we still have a year or three to wait on that. MHubbs
  • Score: 12

6:47am Thu 17 Jul 14

brightonup says...

Unless there is a suitable replacement lined up, (which I doubt), selling would be a short term gain for a longer term loss. Fans will drift away through the club's lack of ambition and - who knows when and if they will return?
Unless there is a suitable replacement lined up, (which I doubt), selling would be a short term gain for a longer term loss. Fans will drift away through the club's lack of ambition and - who knows when and if they will return? brightonup
  • Score: 2

6:48am Thu 17 Jul 14

challster says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
If they pay £10m let him go, if not he should stay. Let's see where we are at Christmas, if we are looking good for promotion then Leo gets his wish with Albion, if we are not looking so good then we can look at the situation in January. In my opinion Leo should stay!! Plus I would like him to stay, a fantastic player and who we were searching for a very very very very very long time!!!!
Bang on! I agree with Alan on this one, It does of course depend on Leo's state of mind. Which is one thing we all don't know of course. Don't forget how patient we were as a club in getting him and his eventual sorting of a permit for uk football. That may well add to his eventual decision, while there are 'no
Loyalties' in football apparantly this may not be the case for Leo. He has plenty of arguments to stay with us, however I'd like to think he has the strength to stay, it may well be the case that Argentinian footballers are more loyal to their word than other countries, let's hope so. I'd like to see him firing us in to the prem this year... Just like the way bobby did it for us a few seasons back. Let's get behind him and give him the support he needs to help him stay and play with a settled justified head. Let's back Alans comment. Don't forget he'll be worth more after jan, I put my money on this !
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: If they pay £10m let him go, if not he should stay. Let's see where we are at Christmas, if we are looking good for promotion then Leo gets his wish with Albion, if we are not looking so good then we can look at the situation in January. In my opinion Leo should stay!! Plus I would like him to stay, a fantastic player and who we were searching for a very very very very very long time!!!![/p][/quote]Bang on! I agree with Alan on this one, It does of course depend on Leo's state of mind. Which is one thing we all don't know of course. Don't forget how patient we were as a club in getting him and his eventual sorting of a permit for uk football. That may well add to his eventual decision, while there are 'no Loyalties' in football apparantly this may not be the case for Leo. He has plenty of arguments to stay with us, however I'd like to think he has the strength to stay, it may well be the case that Argentinian footballers are more loyal to their word than other countries, let's hope so. I'd like to see him firing us in to the prem this year... Just like the way bobby did it for us a few seasons back. Let's get behind him and give him the support he needs to help him stay and play with a settled justified head. Let's back Alans comment. Don't forget he'll be worth more after jan, I put my money on this ! challster
  • Score: 6

6:54am Thu 17 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

morning obviously the lad wants premiership football he would probably prefer it with Brighton but we can't give him that right now, who are we to stand in his way his head has been turned, get 7-8 million for him and we've done good business in my opinion, holding out for 10 million will not happen we're be left with a player who's head will probably be all over the place, 5 million plus profit is not bad to be honest, people who think we're get 10 million are deluding themselves, it won't happen!!
Up the Albion!!
morning obviously the lad wants premiership football he would probably prefer it with Brighton but we can't give him that right now, who are we to stand in his way his head has been turned, get 7-8 million for him and we've done good business in my opinion, holding out for 10 million will not happen we're be left with a player who's head will probably be all over the place, 5 million plus profit is not bad to be honest, people who think we're get 10 million are deluding themselves, it won't happen!! Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 6

7:02am Thu 17 Jul 14

Jimmy Langley says...

It sounds like we are being softened up to accept his departure!
It sounds like we are being softened up to accept his departure! Jimmy Langley
  • Score: 13

7:18am Thu 17 Jul 14

Rhodes Seagull says...

OK thumbs down time!!
In the article it states "he regards as a lack of investment in the squad"
Is he the only one to see this?
I understand there are guide lines that the club does not wish to go beyond but to get players good enough to take us to the Premiere we must spend some decent money, to keep taking on players via the loan market IMO is not really the way to go we need to get players that no they have a two or three year stay at the club and can play together for more than just the one season, how many loan players have we seen play and said "sign him up" only to read that another club has gone the extra mile as far as transfer fee and wages are concerned. We need a consistency in the team as far as possible unless injuries come into play. Does a player on loan give 100% in a game or is it 80% for the game and 20% I am getting paid? But when they no they have two, three or more years playing and if playing well getting every game and put the club first give that 100% that is needed to win.
OK thumbs down time!! In the article it states "he regards as a lack of investment in the squad" Is he the only one to see this? I understand there are guide lines that the club does not wish to go beyond but to get players good enough to take us to the Premiere we must spend some decent money, to keep taking on players via the loan market IMO is not really the way to go we need to get players that no they have a two or three year stay at the club and can play together for more than just the one season, how many loan players have we seen play and said "sign him up" only to read that another club has gone the extra mile as far as transfer fee and wages are concerned. We need a consistency in the team as far as possible unless injuries come into play. Does a player on loan give 100% in a game or is it 80% for the game and 20% I am getting paid? But when they no they have two, three or more years playing and if playing well getting every game and put the club first give that 100% that is needed to win. Rhodes Seagull
  • Score: 7

7:34am Thu 17 Jul 14

Conelli98 says...

Hasn't everyone had their say on this saga already! Save your thumbs people! 😝
Hasn't everyone had their say on this saga already! Save your thumbs people! 😝 Conelli98
  • Score: 10

7:36am Thu 17 Jul 14

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

This is not a simple dilemma about one player, but the whole strategy of the club. The club's hierarchy understands it's next moves in this saga will send critical signals to the paying supporters about what the current mindset is - whether they really are prepared to make the investments needed or they'd prefer to stash away a pile of cash.
Ulloa's will go, but what follows could have serious reprocess ions in the longer term. Good luck with that one, gents....
This is not a simple dilemma about one player, but the whole strategy of the club. The club's hierarchy understands it's next moves in this saga will send critical signals to the paying supporters about what the current mindset is - whether they really are prepared to make the investments needed or they'd prefer to stash away a pile of cash. Ulloa's will go, but what follows could have serious reprocess ions in the longer term. Good luck with that one, gents.... Willie, Willie Irvine
  • Score: 3

7:43am Thu 17 Jul 14

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

Repercussions, even..!
Repercussions, even..! Willie, Willie Irvine
  • Score: 4

7:47am Thu 17 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
OK thumbs down time!!
In the article it states "he regards as a lack of investment in the squad"
Is he the only one to see this?
I understand there are guide lines that the club does not wish to go beyond but to get players good enough to take us to the Premiere we must spend some decent money, to keep taking on players via the loan market IMO is not really the way to go we need to get players that no they have a two or three year stay at the club and can play together for more than just the one season, how many loan players have we seen play and said "sign him up" only to read that another club has gone the extra mile as far as transfer fee and wages are concerned. We need a consistency in the team as far as possible unless injuries come into play. Does a player on loan give 100% in a game or is it 80% for the game and 20% I am getting paid? But when they no they have two, three or more years playing and if playing well getting every game and put the club first give that 100% that is needed to win.
In the heat of battle, I don't think a professional sportsman considers anything other than the task in hand. You could argue that a loan player is in the shop window so has a duty to himself to perform or is a youngster looking to prove to his parent club that he's got what it takes.
In essence, I'm relaxed about loan signings because if they're scoring goals or making saves in a Brighton shirt, I'll be just as happy as I would be if they were permanent.
[quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: OK thumbs down time!! In the article it states "he regards as a lack of investment in the squad" Is he the only one to see this? I understand there are guide lines that the club does not wish to go beyond but to get players good enough to take us to the Premiere we must spend some decent money, to keep taking on players via the loan market IMO is not really the way to go we need to get players that no they have a two or three year stay at the club and can play together for more than just the one season, how many loan players have we seen play and said "sign him up" only to read that another club has gone the extra mile as far as transfer fee and wages are concerned. We need a consistency in the team as far as possible unless injuries come into play. Does a player on loan give 100% in a game or is it 80% for the game and 20% I am getting paid? But when they no they have two, three or more years playing and if playing well getting every game and put the club first give that 100% that is needed to win.[/p][/quote]In the heat of battle, I don't think a professional sportsman considers anything other than the task in hand. You could argue that a loan player is in the shop window so has a duty to himself to perform or is a youngster looking to prove to his parent club that he's got what it takes. In essence, I'm relaxed about loan signings because if they're scoring goals or making saves in a Brighton shirt, I'll be just as happy as I would be if they were permanent. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

7:49am Thu 17 Jul 14

Neville1973 says...

it took us some time to find a player like Leo, clearly newly promoted Leicester are having a problem in finding a similar player based on their persistent almost annoying flow of offers. It seems madness to sell him whatever the price, it`s not like we need the money, if we are an ambitious club then you don`t sell your best players at any price. I can`t believe how many fans think we should sell him!
it took us some time to find a player like Leo, clearly newly promoted Leicester are having a problem in finding a similar player based on their persistent almost annoying flow of offers. It seems madness to sell him whatever the price, it`s not like we need the money, if we are an ambitious club then you don`t sell your best players at any price. I can`t believe how many fans think we should sell him! Neville1973
  • Score: 7

7:59am Thu 17 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Neville1973 wrote:
it took us some time to find a player like Leo, clearly newly promoted Leicester are having a problem in finding a similar player based on their persistent almost annoying flow of offers. It seems madness to sell him whatever the price, it`s not like we need the money, if we are an ambitious club then you don`t sell your best players at any price. I can`t believe how many fans think we should sell him!
The complication is the player has an opinion too.
If his preferred option is instant Premier League football, the club is in a no-win situation and their desire to retain him is compromised. Yes, you could insist because he's under contract, but keeping an unhappy player is fraught with problems - not least of which, is that he digs his heels in, refuses to sign a new contract when it's due and goes for nothing after seeing out the remaining period in a grump.
My bet would be the club are resigned to losing him and are merely holding out for best price.
Not 'if', but 'when' and 'how much'....
[quote][p][bold]Neville1973[/bold] wrote: it took us some time to find a player like Leo, clearly newly promoted Leicester are having a problem in finding a similar player based on their persistent almost annoying flow of offers. It seems madness to sell him whatever the price, it`s not like we need the money, if we are an ambitious club then you don`t sell your best players at any price. I can`t believe how many fans think we should sell him![/p][/quote]The complication is the player has an opinion too. If his preferred option is instant Premier League football, the club is in a no-win situation and their desire to retain him is compromised. Yes, you could insist because he's under contract, but keeping an unhappy player is fraught with problems - not least of which, is that he digs his heels in, refuses to sign a new contract when it's due and goes for nothing after seeing out the remaining period in a grump. My bet would be the club are resigned to losing him and are merely holding out for best price. Not 'if', but 'when' and 'how much'.... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 9

8:08am Thu 17 Jul 14

mikeygit says...

leos situation is a difficult one--and I agree his state of Mind is critical. If he really wants Premiership football now and we get the right offer we have to let him go and replace with good player and that in itself is VERY difficult. Get Lingard back as a stop gap measure. If Leo stays is it going to be similar to Bridcutt---he does not play because of his state of mind--I do not know Leo but I think he seems to be a different bloke to Bridcutt, but nevertheless if he stays his immediate ambitions are dashed and therefore will he be the same player for us this coming season? So may ways to look at this one!!
leos situation is a difficult one--and I agree his state of Mind is critical. If he really wants Premiership football now and we get the right offer we have to let him go and replace with good player and that in itself is VERY difficult. Get Lingard back as a stop gap measure. If Leo stays is it going to be similar to Bridcutt---he does not play because of his state of mind--I do not know Leo but I think he seems to be a different bloke to Bridcutt, but nevertheless if he stays his immediate ambitions are dashed and therefore will he be the same player for us this coming season? So may ways to look at this one!! mikeygit
  • Score: 2

8:21am Thu 17 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

challster wrote:
Alan G Skinner wrote:
If they pay £10m let him go, if not he should stay. Let's see where we are at Christmas, if we are looking good for promotion then Leo gets his wish with Albion, if we are not looking so good then we can look at the situation in January. In my opinion Leo should stay!! Plus I would like him to stay, a fantastic player and who we were searching for a very very very very very long time!!!!
Bang on! I agree with Alan on this one, It does of course depend on Leo's state of mind. Which is one thing we all don't know of course. Don't forget how patient we were as a club in getting him and his eventual sorting of a permit for uk football. That may well add to his eventual decision, while there are 'no
Loyalties' in football apparantly this may not be the case for Leo. He has plenty of arguments to stay with us, however I'd like to think he has the strength to stay, it may well be the case that Argentinian footballers are more loyal to their word than other countries, let's hope so. I'd like to see him firing us in to the prem this year... Just like the way bobby did it for us a few seasons back. Let's get behind him and give him the support he needs to help him stay and play with a settled justified head. Let's back Alans comment. Don't forget he'll be worth more after jan, I put my money on this !
Morning Can you explain the plenty off arguments line you said he will stay
Also and I quote he will be worth more in January you said your put your money on it,

Wake up the only possible chance off even getting near 10 million is some other club becomes interested and starts a bidding war then maybe we might get somewhere close,

Do you honestly think they are going to bid 6.25 million, straight to 10 million next offer don't think that will happen do you, what's wrong with 7 or 8 million,
Up the Albion!!
[quote][p][bold]challster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: If they pay £10m let him go, if not he should stay. Let's see where we are at Christmas, if we are looking good for promotion then Leo gets his wish with Albion, if we are not looking so good then we can look at the situation in January. In my opinion Leo should stay!! Plus I would like him to stay, a fantastic player and who we were searching for a very very very very very long time!!!![/p][/quote]Bang on! I agree with Alan on this one, It does of course depend on Leo's state of mind. Which is one thing we all don't know of course. Don't forget how patient we were as a club in getting him and his eventual sorting of a permit for uk football. That may well add to his eventual decision, while there are 'no Loyalties' in football apparantly this may not be the case for Leo. He has plenty of arguments to stay with us, however I'd like to think he has the strength to stay, it may well be the case that Argentinian footballers are more loyal to their word than other countries, let's hope so. I'd like to see him firing us in to the prem this year... Just like the way bobby did it for us a few seasons back. Let's get behind him and give him the support he needs to help him stay and play with a settled justified head. Let's back Alans comment. Don't forget he'll be worth more after jan, I put my money on this ![/p][/quote]Morning Can you explain the plenty off arguments line you said he will stay Also and I quote he will be worth more in January you said your put your money on it, Wake up the only possible chance off even getting near 10 million is some other club becomes interested and starts a bidding war then maybe we might get somewhere close, Do you honestly think they are going to bid 6.25 million, straight to 10 million next offer don't think that will happen do you, what's wrong with 7 or 8 million, Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -2

8:34am Thu 17 Jul 14

ringtone says...

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
OK thumbs down time!!
In the article it states "he regards as a lack of investment in the squad"
Is he the only one to see this?
I understand there are guide lines that the club does not wish to go beyond but to get players good enough to take us to the Premiere we must spend some decent money, to keep taking on players via the loan market IMO is not really the way to go we need to get players that no they have a two or three year stay at the club and can play together for more than just the one season, how many loan players have we seen play and said "sign him up" only to read that another club has gone the extra mile as far as transfer fee and wages are concerned. We need a consistency in the team as far as possible unless injuries come into play. Does a player on loan give 100% in a game or is it 80% for the game and 20% I am getting paid? But when they no they have two, three or more years playing and if playing well getting every game and put the club first give that 100% that is needed to win.
Spot on Rhodes, lack of investment in the squad.

Maybe it is time for the owner to move on as the club needs some serious new money.

Surely there are some fit and proper, oil rich sheiks, prepared to streamroller through the FFP mirage to get us to the promised land.
[quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: OK thumbs down time!! In the article it states "he regards as a lack of investment in the squad" Is he the only one to see this? I understand there are guide lines that the club does not wish to go beyond but to get players good enough to take us to the Premiere we must spend some decent money, to keep taking on players via the loan market IMO is not really the way to go we need to get players that no they have a two or three year stay at the club and can play together for more than just the one season, how many loan players have we seen play and said "sign him up" only to read that another club has gone the extra mile as far as transfer fee and wages are concerned. We need a consistency in the team as far as possible unless injuries come into play. Does a player on loan give 100% in a game or is it 80% for the game and 20% I am getting paid? But when they no they have two, three or more years playing and if playing well getting every game and put the club first give that 100% that is needed to win.[/p][/quote]Spot on Rhodes, lack of investment in the squad. Maybe it is time for the owner to move on as the club needs some serious new money. Surely there are some fit and proper, oil rich sheiks, prepared to streamroller through the FFP mirage to get us to the promised land. ringtone
  • Score: -10

8:38am Thu 17 Jul 14

ringtone says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote:
OK thumbs down time!!
In the article it states "he regards as a lack of investment in the squad"
Is he the only one to see this?
I understand there are guide lines that the club does not wish to go beyond but to get players good enough to take us to the Premiere we must spend some decent money, to keep taking on players via the loan market IMO is not really the way to go we need to get players that no they have a two or three year stay at the club and can play together for more than just the one season, how many loan players have we seen play and said "sign him up" only to read that another club has gone the extra mile as far as transfer fee and wages are concerned. We need a consistency in the team as far as possible unless injuries come into play. Does a player on loan give 100% in a game or is it 80% for the game and 20% I am getting paid? But when they no they have two, three or more years playing and if playing well getting every game and put the club first give that 100% that is needed to win.
In the heat of battle, I don't think a professional sportsman considers anything other than the task in hand. You could argue that a loan player is in the shop window so has a duty to himself to perform or is a youngster looking to prove to his parent club that he's got what it takes.
In essence, I'm relaxed about loan signings because if they're scoring goals or making saves in a Brighton shirt, I'll be just as happy as I would be if they were permanent.
I think Rhodes seagull was making the point about the loan players state of mind and not yours.

Thanks for letting us know.

Ps How was your cup of tea, this morning?
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: OK thumbs down time!! In the article it states "he regards as a lack of investment in the squad" Is he the only one to see this? I understand there are guide lines that the club does not wish to go beyond but to get players good enough to take us to the Premiere we must spend some decent money, to keep taking on players via the loan market IMO is not really the way to go we need to get players that no they have a two or three year stay at the club and can play together for more than just the one season, how many loan players have we seen play and said "sign him up" only to read that another club has gone the extra mile as far as transfer fee and wages are concerned. We need a consistency in the team as far as possible unless injuries come into play. Does a player on loan give 100% in a game or is it 80% for the game and 20% I am getting paid? But when they no they have two, three or more years playing and if playing well getting every game and put the club first give that 100% that is needed to win.[/p][/quote]In the heat of battle, I don't think a professional sportsman considers anything other than the task in hand. You could argue that a loan player is in the shop window so has a duty to himself to perform or is a youngster looking to prove to his parent club that he's got what it takes. In essence, I'm relaxed about loan signings because if they're scoring goals or making saves in a Brighton shirt, I'll be just as happy as I would be if they were permanent.[/p][/quote]I think Rhodes seagull was making the point about the loan players state of mind and not yours. Thanks for letting us know. Ps How was your cup of tea, this morning? ringtone
  • Score: -1

8:40am Thu 17 Jul 14

portugal35 says...

Sell Leo and the season ahead will be a relegation battle.
Sell Leo and the season ahead will be a relegation battle. portugal35
  • Score: -3

8:40am Thu 17 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

JeffLomer wrote:
challster wrote:
Alan G Skinner wrote:
If they pay £10m let him go, if not he should stay. Let's see where we are at Christmas, if we are looking good for promotion then Leo gets his wish with Albion, if we are not looking so good then we can look at the situation in January. In my opinion Leo should stay!! Plus I would like him to stay, a fantastic player and who we were searching for a very very very very very long time!!!!
Bang on! I agree with Alan on this one, It does of course depend on Leo's state of mind. Which is one thing we all don't know of course. Don't forget how patient we were as a club in getting him and his eventual sorting of a permit for uk football. That may well add to his eventual decision, while there are 'no
Loyalties' in football apparantly this may not be the case for Leo. He has plenty of arguments to stay with us, however I'd like to think he has the strength to stay, it may well be the case that Argentinian footballers are more loyal to their word than other countries, let's hope so. I'd like to see him firing us in to the prem this year... Just like the way bobby did it for us a few seasons back. Let's get behind him and give him the support he needs to help him stay and play with a settled justified head. Let's back Alans comment. Don't forget he'll be worth more after jan, I put my money on this !
Morning Can you explain the plenty off arguments line you said he will stay
Also and I quote he will be worth more in January you said your put your money on it,

Wake up the only possible chance off even getting near 10 million is some other club becomes interested and starts a bidding war then maybe we might get somewhere close,

Do you honestly think they are going to bid 6.25 million, straight to 10 million next offer don't think that will happen do you, what's wrong with 7 or 8 million,
Up the Albion!!
If Leicester give up the chase and sign someone else, what's Leo value?
His value is what another club is prepared to pay, the only other club with that sort of cash willing to take a punt is Celtic , they had a look at him in January...
The only other people to value him is the Albion, if and it's a big if we are truly determined to gain promotion or give it a real go, then ulloa value is probably more than Leicester will pay.
I feel this long winded story , and the conundrum over selling is meant to be that the Albion really want to keep him at all costs .
If that's the case , give him more money with a promise he can leave for 7 million next January if he has scored 12 goals or more.
We have lost 4 players to the premiership if Leo goes , thats a tough ask for any club to continue forward.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]challster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: If they pay £10m let him go, if not he should stay. Let's see where we are at Christmas, if we are looking good for promotion then Leo gets his wish with Albion, if we are not looking so good then we can look at the situation in January. In my opinion Leo should stay!! Plus I would like him to stay, a fantastic player and who we were searching for a very very very very very long time!!!![/p][/quote]Bang on! I agree with Alan on this one, It does of course depend on Leo's state of mind. Which is one thing we all don't know of course. Don't forget how patient we were as a club in getting him and his eventual sorting of a permit for uk football. That may well add to his eventual decision, while there are 'no Loyalties' in football apparantly this may not be the case for Leo. He has plenty of arguments to stay with us, however I'd like to think he has the strength to stay, it may well be the case that Argentinian footballers are more loyal to their word than other countries, let's hope so. I'd like to see him firing us in to the prem this year... Just like the way bobby did it for us a few seasons back. Let's get behind him and give him the support he needs to help him stay and play with a settled justified head. Let's back Alans comment. Don't forget he'll be worth more after jan, I put my money on this ![/p][/quote]Morning Can you explain the plenty off arguments line you said he will stay Also and I quote he will be worth more in January you said your put your money on it, Wake up the only possible chance off even getting near 10 million is some other club becomes interested and starts a bidding war then maybe we might get somewhere close, Do you honestly think they are going to bid 6.25 million, straight to 10 million next offer don't think that will happen do you, what's wrong with 7 or 8 million, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]If Leicester give up the chase and sign someone else, what's Leo value? His value is what another club is prepared to pay, the only other club with that sort of cash willing to take a punt is Celtic , they had a look at him in January... The only other people to value him is the Albion, if and it's a big if we are truly determined to gain promotion or give it a real go, then ulloa value is probably more than Leicester will pay. I feel this long winded story , and the conundrum over selling is meant to be that the Albion really want to keep him at all costs . If that's the case , give him more money with a promise he can leave for 7 million next January if he has scored 12 goals or more. We have lost 4 players to the premiership if Leo goes , thats a tough ask for any club to continue forward. mark by the sea
  • Score: 8

8:43am Thu 17 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

4 players in 6 months, if Leo scored say 14 goals by Xmas we could auction him to any of the bottom 6-7 clubs in the prem.
4 players in 6 months, if Leo scored say 14 goals by Xmas we could auction him to any of the bottom 6-7 clubs in the prem. mark by the sea
  • Score: 4

8:46am Thu 17 Jul 14

namgo49 says...

Trouble is if you sell for say £7 mill the club would end up with about £4.5 as there are all sorts of fees and so on which diminish what you end up with. Then you have to buy someone else who along with the agreed transfer fee also has loads of fees. So the net result is you end up with potentially a poorer quality player for the same money!

He wants to do the right thing so if he is still willing to put in a shift keep him 'till Christmas then see how everyone feels about things in the January window.
Trouble is if you sell for say £7 mill the club would end up with about £4.5 as there are all sorts of fees and so on which diminish what you end up with. Then you have to buy someone else who along with the agreed transfer fee also has loads of fees. So the net result is you end up with potentially a poorer quality player for the same money! He wants to do the right thing so if he is still willing to put in a shift keep him 'till Christmas then see how everyone feels about things in the January window. namgo49
  • Score: 3

9:00am Thu 17 Jul 14

northernseagull says...

Sell him and you can assume a 1000 decline in attendance as it indicates a lack of ambition as well as the loss of a very popular player.

1000 * say £40 a match times * 34 home games. There goes a million£ to start with!
Sell him and you can assume a 1000 decline in attendance as it indicates a lack of ambition as well as the loss of a very popular player. 1000 * say £40 a match times * 34 home games. There goes a million£ to start with! northernseagull
  • Score: -1

9:18am Thu 17 Jul 14

AlanDuffy says...

My feeling is that it would be in everyone's interest to get this sorted one way or the other .......... and quickly. Clearly Leo wants to go or he would have stated that he is happy here and is not looking to move, Leicester seem pretty determined to get their man and we are equally determined to get the best price possible. However, the financial negotiations are damaging all concerned. I suspect that this is one of the reasons we seem to dragging our heels on getting in much-needed players as a cash injection of £6-7m would make a big difference to who we sign. Surely someone at Leicester can sit down with Barber/Burke and thrash out a deal.....and if not, Leo stays and we get on with preparing for the new season.
My feeling is that it would be in everyone's interest to get this sorted one way or the other .......... and quickly. Clearly Leo wants to go or he would have stated that he is happy here and is not looking to move, Leicester seem pretty determined to get their man and we are equally determined to get the best price possible. However, the financial negotiations are damaging all concerned. I suspect that this is one of the reasons we seem to dragging our heels on getting in much-needed players as a cash injection of £6-7m would make a big difference to who we sign. Surely someone at Leicester can sit down with Barber/Burke and thrash out a deal.....and if not, Leo stays and we get on with preparing for the new season. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 4

9:18am Thu 17 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Grendel wrote:
At £7 million we should sell, and invest that money in the squad.
We really have reached our ceiling then? I think Gus comment that we had is spot on, Leo is right to want to move if premiership football is his aim! If he had a poor season here , what would he be worth this time next year? Also CMS is out of contract in less than a year, the club have a conundrum over next few weeks, .
The romour over season ticket sales seems not great, the club can't expect the new fans to watch poor quality .
And how will the sale of Ulloa affect ticket sales, do you think?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: At £7 million we should sell, and invest that money in the squad.[/p][/quote]We really have reached our ceiling then? I think Gus comment that we had is spot on, Leo is right to want to move if premiership football is his aim! If he had a poor season here , what would he be worth this time next year? Also CMS is out of contract in less than a year, the club have a conundrum over next few weeks, . The romour over season ticket sales seems not great, the club can't expect the new fans to watch poor quality .[/p][/quote]And how will the sale of Ulloa affect ticket sales, do you think? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 6

9:29am Thu 17 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
challster wrote:
Alan G Skinner wrote:
If they pay £10m let him go, if not he should stay. Let's see where we are at Christmas, if we are looking good for promotion then Leo gets his wish with Albion, if we are not looking so good then we can look at the situation in January. In my opinion Leo should stay!! Plus I would like him to stay, a fantastic player and who we were searching for a very very very very very long time!!!!
Bang on! I agree with Alan on this one, It does of course depend on Leo's state of mind. Which is one thing we all don't know of course. Don't forget how patient we were as a club in getting him and his eventual sorting of a permit for uk football. That may well add to his eventual decision, while there are 'no
Loyalties' in football apparantly this may not be the case for Leo. He has plenty of arguments to stay with us, however I'd like to think he has the strength to stay, it may well be the case that Argentinian footballers are more loyal to their word than other countries, let's hope so. I'd like to see him firing us in to the prem this year... Just like the way bobby did it for us a few seasons back. Let's get behind him and give him the support he needs to help him stay and play with a settled justified head. Let's back Alans comment. Don't forget he'll be worth more after jan, I put my money on this !
Morning Can you explain the plenty off arguments line you said he will stay
Also and I quote he will be worth more in January you said your put your money on it,

Wake up the only possible chance off even getting near 10 million is some other club becomes interested and starts a bidding war then maybe we might get somewhere close,

Do you honestly think they are going to bid 6.25 million, straight to 10 million next offer don't think that will happen do you, what's wrong with 7 or 8 million,
Up the Albion!!
If Leicester give up the chase and sign someone else, what's Leo value?
His value is what another club is prepared to pay, the only other club with that sort of cash willing to take a punt is Celtic , they had a look at him in January...
The only other people to value him is the Albion, if and it's a big if we are truly determined to gain promotion or give it a real go, then ulloa value is probably more than Leicester will pay.
I feel this long winded story , and the conundrum over selling is meant to be that the Albion really want to keep him at all costs .
If that's the case , give him more money with a promise he can leave for 7 million next January if he has scored 12 goals or more.
We have lost 4 players to the premiership if Leo goes , thats a tough ask for any club to continue forward.
His value is what either the buying or selling club decide. Our valuation may be higher than Leicester's, but that doesn't mean it is invalid. He's under a long contract - sell him for what we think, as an asset, he's worth and nothing less. Any other decision is not sound business practice.

How many clubs improve a player's contract when they still have three years left on it? I would guess it's somewhere between none and very, very few.

PS: You used six if's there... if my granny had wheels she'd be a bus.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]challster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: If they pay £10m let him go, if not he should stay. Let's see where we are at Christmas, if we are looking good for promotion then Leo gets his wish with Albion, if we are not looking so good then we can look at the situation in January. In my opinion Leo should stay!! Plus I would like him to stay, a fantastic player and who we were searching for a very very very very very long time!!!![/p][/quote]Bang on! I agree with Alan on this one, It does of course depend on Leo's state of mind. Which is one thing we all don't know of course. Don't forget how patient we were as a club in getting him and his eventual sorting of a permit for uk football. That may well add to his eventual decision, while there are 'no Loyalties' in football apparantly this may not be the case for Leo. He has plenty of arguments to stay with us, however I'd like to think he has the strength to stay, it may well be the case that Argentinian footballers are more loyal to their word than other countries, let's hope so. I'd like to see him firing us in to the prem this year... Just like the way bobby did it for us a few seasons back. Let's get behind him and give him the support he needs to help him stay and play with a settled justified head. Let's back Alans comment. Don't forget he'll be worth more after jan, I put my money on this ![/p][/quote]Morning Can you explain the plenty off arguments line you said he will stay Also and I quote he will be worth more in January you said your put your money on it, Wake up the only possible chance off even getting near 10 million is some other club becomes interested and starts a bidding war then maybe we might get somewhere close, Do you honestly think they are going to bid 6.25 million, straight to 10 million next offer don't think that will happen do you, what's wrong with 7 or 8 million, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]If Leicester give up the chase and sign someone else, what's Leo value? His value is what another club is prepared to pay, the only other club with that sort of cash willing to take a punt is Celtic , they had a look at him in January... The only other people to value him is the Albion, if and it's a big if we are truly determined to gain promotion or give it a real go, then ulloa value is probably more than Leicester will pay. I feel this long winded story , and the conundrum over selling is meant to be that the Albion really want to keep him at all costs . If that's the case , give him more money with a promise he can leave for 7 million next January if he has scored 12 goals or more. We have lost 4 players to the premiership if Leo goes , thats a tough ask for any club to continue forward.[/p][/quote]His value is what either the buying or selling club decide. Our valuation may be higher than Leicester's, but that doesn't mean it is invalid. He's under a long contract - sell him for what we think, as an asset, he's worth and nothing less. Any other decision is not sound business practice. How many clubs improve a player's contract when they still have three years left on it? I would guess it's somewhere between none and very, very few. PS: You used six if's there... if my granny had wheels she'd be a bus. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

9:29am Thu 17 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Grendel wrote:
At £7 million we should sell, and invest that money in the squad.
We really have reached our ceiling then? I think Gus comment that we had is spot on, Leo is right to want to move if premiership football is his aim! If he had a poor season here , what would he be worth this time next year? Also CMS is out of contract in less than a year, the club have a conundrum over next few weeks, .
The romour over season ticket sales seems not great, the club can't expect the new fans to watch poor quality .
And how will the sale of Ulloa affect ticket sales, do you think?
It can't effect season ticket sales, as most have purchased, the club are not being forth coming over exact sales figures to date, but they have sold over 20,000 or a drop of 15% or about £ 2 million if you add food and merchandise .
I think the club have done well to maintain above 20k in my opinion, however a poor season with sales of key players ( we took over a year to find Leo)
Last season while gate numbers were announced as 27,000 it was widely accepted gates were 23000 .. Yes people can't make every game, but whatever you think, people pay for quality football at premiership rates here.. That needs to be delivered as last year was complete boring rubbish for 17-18 games.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: At £7 million we should sell, and invest that money in the squad.[/p][/quote]We really have reached our ceiling then? I think Gus comment that we had is spot on, Leo is right to want to move if premiership football is his aim! If he had a poor season here , what would he be worth this time next year? Also CMS is out of contract in less than a year, the club have a conundrum over next few weeks, . The romour over season ticket sales seems not great, the club can't expect the new fans to watch poor quality .[/p][/quote]And how will the sale of Ulloa affect ticket sales, do you think?[/p][/quote]It can't effect season ticket sales, as most have purchased, the club are not being forth coming over exact sales figures to date, but they have sold over 20,000 or a drop of 15% or about £ 2 million if you add food and merchandise . I think the club have done well to maintain above 20k in my opinion, however a poor season with sales of key players ( we took over a year to find Leo) Last season while gate numbers were announced as 27,000 it was widely accepted gates were 23000 .. Yes people can't make every game, but whatever you think, people pay for quality football at premiership rates here.. That needs to be delivered as last year was complete boring rubbish for 17-18 games. mark by the sea
  • Score: 4

9:32am Thu 17 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
challster wrote:
Alan G Skinner wrote:
If they pay £10m let him go, if not he should stay. Let's see where we are at Christmas, if we are looking good for promotion then Leo gets his wish with Albion, if we are not looking so good then we can look at the situation in January. In my opinion Leo should stay!! Plus I would like him to stay, a fantastic player and who we were searching for a very very very very very long time!!!!
Bang on! I agree with Alan on this one, It does of course depend on Leo's state of mind. Which is one thing we all don't know of course. Don't forget how patient we were as a club in getting him and his eventual sorting of a permit for uk football. That may well add to his eventual decision, while there are 'no
Loyalties' in football apparantly this may not be the case for Leo. He has plenty of arguments to stay with us, however I'd like to think he has the strength to stay, it may well be the case that Argentinian footballers are more loyal to their word than other countries, let's hope so. I'd like to see him firing us in to the prem this year... Just like the way bobby did it for us a few seasons back. Let's get behind him and give him the support he needs to help him stay and play with a settled justified head. Let's back Alans comment. Don't forget he'll be worth more after jan, I put my money on this !
Morning Can you explain the plenty off arguments line you said he will stay
Also and I quote he will be worth more in January you said your put your money on it,

Wake up the only possible chance off even getting near 10 million is some other club becomes interested and starts a bidding war then maybe we might get somewhere close,

Do you honestly think they are going to bid 6.25 million, straight to 10 million next offer don't think that will happen do you, what's wrong with 7 or 8 million,
Up the Albion!!
If Leicester give up the chase and sign someone else, what's Leo value?
His value is what another club is prepared to pay, the only other club with that sort of cash willing to take a punt is Celtic , they had a look at him in January...
The only other people to value him is the Albion, if and it's a big if we are truly determined to gain promotion or give it a real go, then ulloa value is probably more than Leicester will pay.
I feel this long winded story , and the conundrum over selling is meant to be that the Albion really want to keep him at all costs .
If that's the case , give him more money with a promise he can leave for 7 million next January if he has scored 12 goals or more.
We have lost 4 players to the premiership if Leo goes , thats a tough ask for any club to continue forward.
His value is what either the buying or selling club decide. Our valuation may be higher than Leicester's, but that doesn't mean it is invalid. He's under a long contract - sell him for what we think, as an asset, he's worth and nothing less. Any other decision is not sound business practice.

How many clubs improve a player's contract when they still have three years left on it? I would guess it's somewhere between none and very, very few.

PS: You used six if's there... if my granny had wheels she'd be a bus.
If you want to keep staff you either need to pay them well or offer bonus money, I run two businesses , when a key member wants to leave for more money, I offer him the carrot of more , if he produces more, takes more responsibilities etc..
Sadly Arnie your missing the point, a happy player will produce, so we either make him happy or let him leave.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]challster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: If they pay £10m let him go, if not he should stay. Let's see where we are at Christmas, if we are looking good for promotion then Leo gets his wish with Albion, if we are not looking so good then we can look at the situation in January. In my opinion Leo should stay!! Plus I would like him to stay, a fantastic player and who we were searching for a very very very very very long time!!!![/p][/quote]Bang on! I agree with Alan on this one, It does of course depend on Leo's state of mind. Which is one thing we all don't know of course. Don't forget how patient we were as a club in getting him and his eventual sorting of a permit for uk football. That may well add to his eventual decision, while there are 'no Loyalties' in football apparantly this may not be the case for Leo. He has plenty of arguments to stay with us, however I'd like to think he has the strength to stay, it may well be the case that Argentinian footballers are more loyal to their word than other countries, let's hope so. I'd like to see him firing us in to the prem this year... Just like the way bobby did it for us a few seasons back. Let's get behind him and give him the support he needs to help him stay and play with a settled justified head. Let's back Alans comment. Don't forget he'll be worth more after jan, I put my money on this ![/p][/quote]Morning Can you explain the plenty off arguments line you said he will stay Also and I quote he will be worth more in January you said your put your money on it, Wake up the only possible chance off even getting near 10 million is some other club becomes interested and starts a bidding war then maybe we might get somewhere close, Do you honestly think they are going to bid 6.25 million, straight to 10 million next offer don't think that will happen do you, what's wrong with 7 or 8 million, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]If Leicester give up the chase and sign someone else, what's Leo value? His value is what another club is prepared to pay, the only other club with that sort of cash willing to take a punt is Celtic , they had a look at him in January... The only other people to value him is the Albion, if and it's a big if we are truly determined to gain promotion or give it a real go, then ulloa value is probably more than Leicester will pay. I feel this long winded story , and the conundrum over selling is meant to be that the Albion really want to keep him at all costs . If that's the case , give him more money with a promise he can leave for 7 million next January if he has scored 12 goals or more. We have lost 4 players to the premiership if Leo goes , thats a tough ask for any club to continue forward.[/p][/quote]His value is what either the buying or selling club decide. Our valuation may be higher than Leicester's, but that doesn't mean it is invalid. He's under a long contract - sell him for what we think, as an asset, he's worth and nothing less. Any other decision is not sound business practice. How many clubs improve a player's contract when they still have three years left on it? I would guess it's somewhere between none and very, very few. PS: You used six if's there... if my granny had wheels she'd be a bus.[/p][/quote]If you want to keep staff you either need to pay them well or offer bonus money, I run two businesses , when a key member wants to leave for more money, I offer him the carrot of more , if he produces more, takes more responsibilities etc.. Sadly Arnie your missing the point, a happy player will produce, so we either make him happy or let him leave. mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

9:41am Thu 17 Jul 14

Max Ripple says...

ringtone wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote:
OK thumbs down time!!
In the article it states "he regards as a lack of investment in the squad"
Is he the only one to see this?
I understand there are guide lines that the club does not wish to go beyond but to get players good enough to take us to the Premiere we must spend some decent money, to keep taking on players via the loan market IMO is not really the way to go we need to get players that no they have a two or three year stay at the club and can play together for more than just the one season, how many loan players have we seen play and said "sign him up" only to read that another club has gone the extra mile as far as transfer fee and wages are concerned. We need a consistency in the team as far as possible unless injuries come into play. Does a player on loan give 100% in a game or is it 80% for the game and 20% I am getting paid? But when they no they have two, three or more years playing and if playing well getting every game and put the club first give that 100% that is needed to win.
Spot on Rhodes, lack of investment in the squad.

Maybe it is time for the owner to move on as the club needs some serious new money.

Surely there are some fit and proper, oil rich sheiks, prepared to streamroller through the FFP mirage to get us to the promised land.
Oh, so you'd be happy to sell off our club to a filthy rich oil sheik who knows nothing about football and just wants a plaything for a couple of seasons until he gets bored?! How many other clubs have we seen go this way? I was rather hoping the Albion had got beyond that and we had more scruples about the way the club is run.

OUR club. Obviously not yours. As we have for so long suspected.

I am now of the opinion that we should let Leo go. But maybe only if he puts in a transfer request. That way, I believe, we wouldn't have to pay him a release fee or something. An amount of around £600k someone suggested on here. If he hasn't put in a request then he is just playing with us for financial gain. Not good, eh? However, a disgruntled player is not a good person to have hanging around a club either.

"Catch 22" if you ask me.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: OK thumbs down time!! In the article it states "he regards as a lack of investment in the squad" Is he the only one to see this? I understand there are guide lines that the club does not wish to go beyond but to get players good enough to take us to the Premiere we must spend some decent money, to keep taking on players via the loan market IMO is not really the way to go we need to get players that no they have a two or three year stay at the club and can play together for more than just the one season, how many loan players have we seen play and said "sign him up" only to read that another club has gone the extra mile as far as transfer fee and wages are concerned. We need a consistency in the team as far as possible unless injuries come into play. Does a player on loan give 100% in a game or is it 80% for the game and 20% I am getting paid? But when they no they have two, three or more years playing and if playing well getting every game and put the club first give that 100% that is needed to win.[/p][/quote]Spot on Rhodes, lack of investment in the squad. Maybe it is time for the owner to move on as the club needs some serious new money. Surely there are some fit and proper, oil rich sheiks, prepared to streamroller through the FFP mirage to get us to the promised land.[/p][/quote]Oh, so you'd be happy to sell off our club to a filthy rich oil sheik who knows nothing about football and just wants a plaything for a couple of seasons until he gets bored?! How many other clubs have we seen go this way? I was rather hoping the Albion had got beyond that and we had more scruples about the way the club is run. OUR club. Obviously not yours. As we have for so long suspected. I am now of the opinion that we should let Leo go. But maybe only if he puts in a transfer request. That way, I believe, we wouldn't have to pay him a release fee or something. An amount of around £600k someone suggested on here. If he hasn't put in a request then he is just playing with us for financial gain. Not good, eh? However, a disgruntled player is not a good person to have hanging around a club either. "Catch 22" if you ask me. Max Ripple
  • Score: 3

9:58am Thu 17 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Grendel wrote:
At £7 million we should sell, and invest that money in the squad.
We really have reached our ceiling then? I think Gus comment that we had is spot on, Leo is right to want to move if premiership football is his aim! If he had a poor season here , what would he be worth this time next year? Also CMS is out of contract in less than a year, the club have a conundrum over next few weeks, .
The romour over season ticket sales seems not great, the club can't expect the new fans to watch poor quality .
And how will the sale of Ulloa affect ticket sales, do you think?
It can't effect season ticket sales, as most have purchased, the club are not being forth coming over exact sales figures to date, but they have sold over 20,000 or a drop of 15% or about £ 2 million if you add food and merchandise .
I think the club have done well to maintain above 20k in my opinion, however a poor season with sales of key players ( we took over a year to find Leo)
Last season while gate numbers were announced as 27,000 it was widely accepted gates were 23000 .. Yes people can't make every game, but whatever you think, people pay for quality football at premiership rates here.. That needs to be delivered as last year was complete boring rubbish for 17-18 games.
The figure of 20,000 was quoted ages ago, so you cannot simply take that as the final figure. Any speculation on the true figure is therefore completely pointless unless you know how the numbers have changed over the same period on previous seasons. And we don't.

"Widely accepted" is again absolutely no guarantee of anything. A large proportion of things that are "widely accepted" are in fact wrong, and people are notoriously bad at estimation.

People pay not just for the quality of the match but the quality of the whole matchday experience. I took my eldest to the 'Boro game and, despite us losing, had an absolutely fantastic time and is desperate to go again as soon as possible, as indeed is my youngest just on the strength of that. The pre-match atmosphere, the football on large TV screens on the concourse, the food ("best burger ever") etc. Yes the football has to be decent as well, which I feel it will be this season, but it is not everything. Most, but not all.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: At £7 million we should sell, and invest that money in the squad.[/p][/quote]We really have reached our ceiling then? I think Gus comment that we had is spot on, Leo is right to want to move if premiership football is his aim! If he had a poor season here , what would he be worth this time next year? Also CMS is out of contract in less than a year, the club have a conundrum over next few weeks, . The romour over season ticket sales seems not great, the club can't expect the new fans to watch poor quality .[/p][/quote]And how will the sale of Ulloa affect ticket sales, do you think?[/p][/quote]It can't effect season ticket sales, as most have purchased, the club are not being forth coming over exact sales figures to date, but they have sold over 20,000 or a drop of 15% or about £ 2 million if you add food and merchandise . I think the club have done well to maintain above 20k in my opinion, however a poor season with sales of key players ( we took over a year to find Leo) Last season while gate numbers were announced as 27,000 it was widely accepted gates were 23000 .. Yes people can't make every game, but whatever you think, people pay for quality football at premiership rates here.. That needs to be delivered as last year was complete boring rubbish for 17-18 games.[/p][/quote]The figure of 20,000 was quoted ages ago, so you cannot simply take that as the final figure. Any speculation on the true figure is therefore completely pointless unless you know how the numbers have changed over the same period on previous seasons. And we don't. "Widely accepted" is again absolutely no guarantee of anything. A large proportion of things that are "widely accepted" are in fact wrong, and people are notoriously bad at estimation. People pay not just for the quality of the match but the quality of the whole matchday experience. I took my eldest to the 'Boro game and, despite us losing, had an absolutely fantastic time and is desperate to go again as soon as possible, as indeed is my youngest just on the strength of that. The pre-match atmosphere, the football on large TV screens on the concourse, the food ("best burger ever") etc. Yes the football has to be decent as well, which I feel it will be this season, but it is not everything. Most, but not all. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

10:02am Thu 17 Jul 14

Sid East Brighton says...

David Burke arrived in Spain Tuesday !
David Burke arrived in Spain Tuesday ! Sid East Brighton
  • Score: 4

10:03am Thu 17 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
challster wrote:
Alan G Skinner wrote:
If they pay £10m let him go, if not he should stay. Let's see where we are at Christmas, if we are looking good for promotion then Leo gets his wish with Albion, if we are not looking so good then we can look at the situation in January. In my opinion Leo should stay!! Plus I would like him to stay, a fantastic player and who we were searching for a very very very very very long time!!!!
Bang on! I agree with Alan on this one, It does of course depend on Leo's state of mind. Which is one thing we all don't know of course. Don't forget how patient we were as a club in getting him and his eventual sorting of a permit for uk football. That may well add to his eventual decision, while there are 'no
Loyalties' in football apparantly this may not be the case for Leo. He has plenty of arguments to stay with us, however I'd like to think he has the strength to stay, it may well be the case that Argentinian footballers are more loyal to their word than other countries, let's hope so. I'd like to see him firing us in to the prem this year... Just like the way bobby did it for us a few seasons back. Let's get behind him and give him the support he needs to help him stay and play with a settled justified head. Let's back Alans comment. Don't forget he'll be worth more after jan, I put my money on this !
Morning Can you explain the plenty off arguments line you said he will stay
Also and I quote he will be worth more in January you said your put your money on it,

Wake up the only possible chance off even getting near 10 million is some other club becomes interested and starts a bidding war then maybe we might get somewhere close,

Do you honestly think they are going to bid 6.25 million, straight to 10 million next offer don't think that will happen do you, what's wrong with 7 or 8 million,
Up the Albion!!
If Leicester give up the chase and sign someone else, what's Leo value?
His value is what another club is prepared to pay, the only other club with that sort of cash willing to take a punt is Celtic , they had a look at him in January...
The only other people to value him is the Albion, if and it's a big if we are truly determined to gain promotion or give it a real go, then ulloa value is probably more than Leicester will pay.
I feel this long winded story , and the conundrum over selling is meant to be that the Albion really want to keep him at all costs .
If that's the case , give him more money with a promise he can leave for 7 million next January if he has scored 12 goals or more.
We have lost 4 players to the premiership if Leo goes , thats a tough ask for any club to continue forward.
His value is what either the buying or selling club decide. Our valuation may be higher than Leicester's, but that doesn't mean it is invalid. He's under a long contract - sell him for what we think, as an asset, he's worth and nothing less. Any other decision is not sound business practice.

How many clubs improve a player's contract when they still have three years left on it? I would guess it's somewhere between none and very, very few.

PS: You used six if's there... if my granny had wheels she'd be a bus.
If you want to keep staff you either need to pay them well or offer bonus money, I run two businesses , when a key member wants to leave for more money, I offer him the carrot of more , if he produces more, takes more responsibilities etc..
Sadly Arnie your missing the point, a happy player will produce, so we either make him happy or let him leave.
You, with the greatest of respect, do not run a football club. (Didn't you also say a while back that your businesses generally lost money?) Your staff can just up and leave with the requisite notice period, unless you have them all tied into 5-year contracts with hefty penalties for early exit? Therefore the money-carrot may work to an extent. A player with THREE years left on his contract will not be offered improved terms for another two years. If at all. Otherwise, what is to stop him becoming disillusioned every 12 months, just to get a pay rise?

A happy player will produce. An unhappy player who is not producing is not putting himself in the shop window. Poor performance after poor performance will tend to put off suitors as they will think "Well, if that's how he behaves, what's to stop him pulling the same tricks with us?"
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]challster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: If they pay £10m let him go, if not he should stay. Let's see where we are at Christmas, if we are looking good for promotion then Leo gets his wish with Albion, if we are not looking so good then we can look at the situation in January. In my opinion Leo should stay!! Plus I would like him to stay, a fantastic player and who we were searching for a very very very very very long time!!!![/p][/quote]Bang on! I agree with Alan on this one, It does of course depend on Leo's state of mind. Which is one thing we all don't know of course. Don't forget how patient we were as a club in getting him and his eventual sorting of a permit for uk football. That may well add to his eventual decision, while there are 'no Loyalties' in football apparantly this may not be the case for Leo. He has plenty of arguments to stay with us, however I'd like to think he has the strength to stay, it may well be the case that Argentinian footballers are more loyal to their word than other countries, let's hope so. I'd like to see him firing us in to the prem this year... Just like the way bobby did it for us a few seasons back. Let's get behind him and give him the support he needs to help him stay and play with a settled justified head. Let's back Alans comment. Don't forget he'll be worth more after jan, I put my money on this ![/p][/quote]Morning Can you explain the plenty off arguments line you said he will stay Also and I quote he will be worth more in January you said your put your money on it, Wake up the only possible chance off even getting near 10 million is some other club becomes interested and starts a bidding war then maybe we might get somewhere close, Do you honestly think they are going to bid 6.25 million, straight to 10 million next offer don't think that will happen do you, what's wrong with 7 or 8 million, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]If Leicester give up the chase and sign someone else, what's Leo value? His value is what another club is prepared to pay, the only other club with that sort of cash willing to take a punt is Celtic , they had a look at him in January... The only other people to value him is the Albion, if and it's a big if we are truly determined to gain promotion or give it a real go, then ulloa value is probably more than Leicester will pay. I feel this long winded story , and the conundrum over selling is meant to be that the Albion really want to keep him at all costs . If that's the case , give him more money with a promise he can leave for 7 million next January if he has scored 12 goals or more. We have lost 4 players to the premiership if Leo goes , thats a tough ask for any club to continue forward.[/p][/quote]His value is what either the buying or selling club decide. Our valuation may be higher than Leicester's, but that doesn't mean it is invalid. He's under a long contract - sell him for what we think, as an asset, he's worth and nothing less. Any other decision is not sound business practice. How many clubs improve a player's contract when they still have three years left on it? I would guess it's somewhere between none and very, very few. PS: You used six if's there... if my granny had wheels she'd be a bus.[/p][/quote]If you want to keep staff you either need to pay them well or offer bonus money, I run two businesses , when a key member wants to leave for more money, I offer him the carrot of more , if he produces more, takes more responsibilities etc.. Sadly Arnie your missing the point, a happy player will produce, so we either make him happy or let him leave.[/p][/quote]You, with the greatest of respect, do not run a football club. (Didn't you also say a while back that your businesses generally lost money?) Your staff can just up and leave with the requisite notice period, unless you have them all tied into 5-year contracts with hefty penalties for early exit? Therefore the money-carrot may work to an extent. A player with THREE years left on his contract will not be offered improved terms for another two years. If at all. Otherwise, what is to stop him becoming disillusioned every 12 months, just to get a pay rise? A happy player will produce. An unhappy player who is not producing is not putting himself in the shop window. Poor performance after poor performance will tend to put off suitors as they will think "Well, if that's how he behaves, what's to stop him pulling the same tricks with us?" Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 6

10:14am Thu 17 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

mark by the sea wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
challster wrote:
Alan G Skinner wrote:
If they pay £10m let him go, if not he should stay. Let's see where we are at Christmas, if we are looking good for promotion then Leo gets his wish with Albion, if we are not looking so good then we can look at the situation in January. In my opinion Leo should stay!! Plus I would like him to stay, a fantastic player and who we were searching for a very very very very very long time!!!!
Bang on! I agree with Alan on this one, It does of course depend on Leo's state of mind. Which is one thing we all don't know of course. Don't forget how patient we were as a club in getting him and his eventual sorting of a permit for uk football. That may well add to his eventual decision, while there are 'no
Loyalties' in football apparantly this may not be the case for Leo. He has plenty of arguments to stay with us, however I'd like to think he has the strength to stay, it may well be the case that Argentinian footballers are more loyal to their word than other countries, let's hope so. I'd like to see him firing us in to the prem this year... Just like the way bobby did it for us a few seasons back. Let's get behind him and give him the support he needs to help him stay and play with a settled justified head. Let's back Alans comment. Don't forget he'll be worth more after jan, I put my money on this !
Morning Can you explain the plenty off arguments line you said he will stay
Also and I quote he will be worth more in January you said your put your money on it,

Wake up the only possible chance off even getting near 10 million is some other club becomes interested and starts a bidding war then maybe we might get somewhere close,

Do you honestly think they are going to bid 6.25 million, straight to 10 million next offer don't think that will happen do you, what's wrong with 7 or 8 million,
Up the Albion!!
If Leicester give up the chase and sign someone else, what's Leo value?
His value is what another club is prepared to pay, the only other club with that sort of cash willing to take a punt is Celtic , they had a look at him in January...
The only other people to value him is the Albion, if and it's a big if we are truly determined to gain promotion or give it a real go, then ulloa value is probably more than Leicester will pay.
I feel this long winded story , and the conundrum over selling is meant to be that the Albion really want to keep him at all costs .
If that's the case , give him more money with a promise he can leave for 7 million next January if he has scored 12 goals or more.
We have lost 4 players to the premiership if Leo goes , thats a tough ask for any club to continue forward.
As you say Mark if the club want to keep him then why not just come out and say he is not for sale at any price, it ain't hard to say look elsewhere he's staying put, if not this could drag on for weeks,
Mystic Naylor said there making another bid, we could off predicted that but not sure when it would be, the only time Leicester might offer 10 million is if he stayed for start off the season and they became in a dog fight near relegation is the January window, how much do you think he is worth Mark, my car is worth 20 grand doesn't mean I would get that if I was to sell it, just an example,
Up the Albion!!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]challster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: If they pay £10m let him go, if not he should stay. Let's see where we are at Christmas, if we are looking good for promotion then Leo gets his wish with Albion, if we are not looking so good then we can look at the situation in January. In my opinion Leo should stay!! Plus I would like him to stay, a fantastic player and who we were searching for a very very very very very long time!!!![/p][/quote]Bang on! I agree with Alan on this one, It does of course depend on Leo's state of mind. Which is one thing we all don't know of course. Don't forget how patient we were as a club in getting him and his eventual sorting of a permit for uk football. That may well add to his eventual decision, while there are 'no Loyalties' in football apparantly this may not be the case for Leo. He has plenty of arguments to stay with us, however I'd like to think he has the strength to stay, it may well be the case that Argentinian footballers are more loyal to their word than other countries, let's hope so. I'd like to see him firing us in to the prem this year... Just like the way bobby did it for us a few seasons back. Let's get behind him and give him the support he needs to help him stay and play with a settled justified head. Let's back Alans comment. Don't forget he'll be worth more after jan, I put my money on this ![/p][/quote]Morning Can you explain the plenty off arguments line you said he will stay Also and I quote he will be worth more in January you said your put your money on it, Wake up the only possible chance off even getting near 10 million is some other club becomes interested and starts a bidding war then maybe we might get somewhere close, Do you honestly think they are going to bid 6.25 million, straight to 10 million next offer don't think that will happen do you, what's wrong with 7 or 8 million, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]If Leicester give up the chase and sign someone else, what's Leo value? His value is what another club is prepared to pay, the only other club with that sort of cash willing to take a punt is Celtic , they had a look at him in January... The only other people to value him is the Albion, if and it's a big if we are truly determined to gain promotion or give it a real go, then ulloa value is probably more than Leicester will pay. I feel this long winded story , and the conundrum over selling is meant to be that the Albion really want to keep him at all costs . If that's the case , give him more money with a promise he can leave for 7 million next January if he has scored 12 goals or more. We have lost 4 players to the premiership if Leo goes , thats a tough ask for any club to continue forward.[/p][/quote]As you say Mark if the club want to keep him then why not just come out and say he is not for sale at any price, it ain't hard to say look elsewhere he's staying put, if not this could drag on for weeks, Mystic Naylor said there making another bid, we could off predicted that but not sure when it would be, the only time Leicester might offer 10 million is if he stayed for start off the season and they became in a dog fight near relegation is the January window, how much do you think he is worth Mark, my car is worth 20 grand doesn't mean I would get that if I was to sell it, just an example, Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -3

10:35am Thu 17 Jul 14

tug509 says...

I`m afraid we made this rod for our own back . Leo has seen the likes of Bridcutt and Barnes sold ,and not replaced ,he has seen us balk over bringing Ward back to the Amex ,he has seen absolutely nothing to make him believe we are trying to go up ,and we have been struggling to bring in new blood ,because of our strict wage structure ,of course we have to stay within a budget ,but the trouble is ,none of it seems to be going back into the squad .
I`m afraid we made this rod for our own back . Leo has seen the likes of Bridcutt and Barnes sold ,and not replaced ,he has seen us balk over bringing Ward back to the Amex ,he has seen absolutely nothing to make him believe we are trying to go up ,and we have been struggling to bring in new blood ,because of our strict wage structure ,of course we have to stay within a budget ,but the trouble is ,none of it seems to be going back into the squad . tug509
  • Score: 5

10:41am Thu 17 Jul 14

Jules boy says...

namgo49 wrote:
Trouble is if you sell for say £7 mill the club would end up with about £4.5 as there are all sorts of fees and so on which diminish what you end up with. Then you have to buy someone else who along with the agreed transfer fee also has loads of fees. So the net result is you end up with potentially a poorer quality player for the same money!

He wants to do the right thing so if he is still willing to put in a shift keep him 'till Christmas then see how everyone feels about things in the January window.
Agree, keep Leo motivated by assuring him he can go in Jan if that's what he really wants but meantime he'll have to prove his worth to the Prem clubs by banging the goals in. Not only will it increase his value but also could leave us near the top and he might decide to stay if he could see himself going to the PL with us - win win situation.
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: Trouble is if you sell for say £7 mill the club would end up with about £4.5 as there are all sorts of fees and so on which diminish what you end up with. Then you have to buy someone else who along with the agreed transfer fee also has loads of fees. So the net result is you end up with potentially a poorer quality player for the same money! He wants to do the right thing so if he is still willing to put in a shift keep him 'till Christmas then see how everyone feels about things in the January window.[/p][/quote]Agree, keep Leo motivated by assuring him he can go in Jan if that's what he really wants but meantime he'll have to prove his worth to the Prem clubs by banging the goals in. Not only will it increase his value but also could leave us near the top and he might decide to stay if he could see himself going to the PL with us - win win situation. Jules boy
  • Score: 1

10:52am Thu 17 Jul 14

Clean Sheet says...

How come the Argus appear ro know more about what is happening at Leicester than Brighton? How much of what they are writing here is fact or speculation?
How come the Argus appear ro know more about what is happening at Leicester than Brighton? How much of what they are writing here is fact or speculation? Clean Sheet
  • Score: 1

11:10am Thu 17 Jul 14

Oscar's Chin says...

ringtone wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote: OK thumbs down time!! In the article it states "he regards as a lack of investment in the squad" Is he the only one to see this? I understand there are guide lines that the club does not wish to go beyond but to get players good enough to take us to the Premiere we must spend some decent money, to keep taking on players via the loan market IMO is not really the way to go we need to get players that no they have a two or three year stay at the club and can play together for more than just the one season, how many loan players have we seen play and said "sign him up" only to read that another club has gone the extra mile as far as transfer fee and wages are concerned. We need a consistency in the team as far as possible unless injuries come into play. Does a player on loan give 100% in a game or is it 80% for the game and 20% I am getting paid? But when they no they have two, three or more years playing and if playing well getting every game and put the club first give that 100% that is needed to win.
Spot on Rhodes, lack of investment in the squad. Maybe it is time for the owner to move on as the club needs some serious new money. Surely there are some fit and proper, oil rich sheiks, prepared to streamroller through the FFP mirage to get us to the promised land.
Then again maybe it's time for YOU to move on! I like Tony Bloom just where he is thanks.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: OK thumbs down time!! In the article it states "he regards as a lack of investment in the squad" Is he the only one to see this? I understand there are guide lines that the club does not wish to go beyond but to get players good enough to take us to the Premiere we must spend some decent money, to keep taking on players via the loan market IMO is not really the way to go we need to get players that no they have a two or three year stay at the club and can play together for more than just the one season, how many loan players have we seen play and said "sign him up" only to read that another club has gone the extra mile as far as transfer fee and wages are concerned. We need a consistency in the team as far as possible unless injuries come into play. Does a player on loan give 100% in a game or is it 80% for the game and 20% I am getting paid? But when they no they have two, three or more years playing and if playing well getting every game and put the club first give that 100% that is needed to win.[/p][/quote]Spot on Rhodes, lack of investment in the squad. Maybe it is time for the owner to move on as the club needs some serious new money. Surely there are some fit and proper, oil rich sheiks, prepared to streamroller through the FFP mirage to get us to the promised land.[/p][/quote]Then again maybe it's time for YOU to move on! I like Tony Bloom just where he is thanks. Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 6

11:40am Thu 17 Jul 14

Oscar's Chin says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Grendel wrote: At £7 million we should sell, and invest that money in the squad.
We really have reached our ceiling then? I think Gus comment that we had is spot on, Leo is right to want to move if premiership football is his aim! If he had a poor season here , what would he be worth this time next year? Also CMS is out of contract in less than a year, the club have a conundrum over next few weeks, . The romour over season ticket sales seems not great, the club can't expect the new fans to watch poor quality .
And how will the sale of Ulloa affect ticket sales, do you think?
It can't effect season ticket sales, as most have purchased, the club are not being forth coming over exact sales figures to date, but they have sold over 20,000 or a drop of 15% or about £ 2 million if you add food and merchandise . I think the club have done well to maintain above 20k in my opinion, however a poor season with sales of key players ( we took over a year to find Leo) Last season while gate numbers were announced as 27,000 it was widely accepted gates were 23000 .. Yes people can't make every game, but whatever you think, people pay for quality football at premiership rates here.. That needs to be delivered as last year was complete boring rubbish for 17-18 games.
Mark, you keep saying that we're paying PL prices...not so. I pay £460-ish for mine with a great view. There's one other price bracket above that for standard seating in the early £500s(?) available.

Apart from Wigan and possibly Blackpool during their time in the top flight, I can't recall anybody charging as low as that in the Premier League in recent years.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: At £7 million we should sell, and invest that money in the squad.[/p][/quote]We really have reached our ceiling then? I think Gus comment that we had is spot on, Leo is right to want to move if premiership football is his aim! If he had a poor season here , what would he be worth this time next year? Also CMS is out of contract in less than a year, the club have a conundrum over next few weeks, . The romour over season ticket sales seems not great, the club can't expect the new fans to watch poor quality .[/p][/quote]And how will the sale of Ulloa affect ticket sales, do you think?[/p][/quote]It can't effect season ticket sales, as most have purchased, the club are not being forth coming over exact sales figures to date, but they have sold over 20,000 or a drop of 15% or about £ 2 million if you add food and merchandise . I think the club have done well to maintain above 20k in my opinion, however a poor season with sales of key players ( we took over a year to find Leo) Last season while gate numbers were announced as 27,000 it was widely accepted gates were 23000 .. Yes people can't make every game, but whatever you think, people pay for quality football at premiership rates here.. That needs to be delivered as last year was complete boring rubbish for 17-18 games.[/p][/quote]Mark, you keep saying that we're paying PL prices...not so. I pay £460-ish for mine with a great view. There's one other price bracket above that for standard seating in the early £500s(?) available. Apart from Wigan and possibly Blackpool during their time in the top flight, I can't recall anybody charging as low as that in the Premier League in recent years. Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 3

11:59am Thu 17 Jul 14

pte says...

There is no dilemma for BHA, the dilemma is for Leo. He wants his 10% so he can't throw his toys out of the pram. If he does the club will challenge him to put in a transfer request and get 10% extra on the sale. So Leo has to behave himself and act like he is happy to stay, in order to keep his 10%

Club holds all the cards
There is no dilemma for BHA, the dilemma is for Leo. He wants his 10% so he can't throw his toys out of the pram. If he does the club will challenge him to put in a transfer request and get 10% extra on the sale. So Leo has to behave himself and act like he is happy to stay, in order to keep his 10% Club holds all the cards pte
  • Score: 1

12:01pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Grendel says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Grendel wrote:
At £7 million we should sell, and invest that money in the squad.
We really have reached our ceiling then? I think Gus comment that we had is spot on, Leo is right to want to move if premiership football is his aim! If he had a poor season here , what would he be worth this time next year? Also CMS is out of contract in less than a year, the club have a conundrum over next few weeks, .
The romour over season ticket sales seems not great, the club can't expect the new fans to watch poor quality .
It seems like we shot our load in terms of transfer money in our first two seasons in the championship, and that we're now trying to get there on the cheap, and let the money flow when we get there. Maybe I'm wrong, but we do seem to be going for the bargain bucket all the time.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: At £7 million we should sell, and invest that money in the squad.[/p][/quote]We really have reached our ceiling then? I think Gus comment that we had is spot on, Leo is right to want to move if premiership football is his aim! If he had a poor season here , what would he be worth this time next year? Also CMS is out of contract in less than a year, the club have a conundrum over next few weeks, . The romour over season ticket sales seems not great, the club can't expect the new fans to watch poor quality .[/p][/quote]It seems like we shot our load in terms of transfer money in our first two seasons in the championship, and that we're now trying to get there on the cheap, and let the money flow when we get there. Maybe I'm wrong, but we do seem to be going for the bargain bucket all the time. Grendel
  • Score: 1

12:01pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Grendel says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Grendel wrote:
At £7 million we should sell, and invest that money in the squad.
We really have reached our ceiling then? I think Gus comment that we had is spot on, Leo is right to want to move if premiership football is his aim! If he had a poor season here , what would he be worth this time next year? Also CMS is out of contract in less than a year, the club have a conundrum over next few weeks, .
The romour over season ticket sales seems not great, the club can't expect the new fans to watch poor quality .
It seems like we shot our load in terms of transfer money in our first two seasons in the championship, and that we're now trying to get there on the cheap, and let the money flow when we get there. Maybe I'm wrong, but we do seem to be going for the bargain bucket all the time.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: At £7 million we should sell, and invest that money in the squad.[/p][/quote]We really have reached our ceiling then? I think Gus comment that we had is spot on, Leo is right to want to move if premiership football is his aim! If he had a poor season here , what would he be worth this time next year? Also CMS is out of contract in less than a year, the club have a conundrum over next few weeks, . The romour over season ticket sales seems not great, the club can't expect the new fans to watch poor quality .[/p][/quote]It seems like we shot our load in terms of transfer money in our first two seasons in the championship, and that we're now trying to get there on the cheap, and let the money flow when we get there. Maybe I'm wrong, but we do seem to be going for the bargain bucket all the time. Grendel
  • Score: 2

12:05pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

ringtone wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote:
OK thumbs down time!!
In the article it states "he regards as a lack of investment in the squad"
Is he the only one to see this?
I understand there are guide lines that the club does not wish to go beyond but to get players good enough to take us to the Premiere we must spend some decent money, to keep taking on players via the loan market IMO is not really the way to go we need to get players that no they have a two or three year stay at the club and can play together for more than just the one season, how many loan players have we seen play and said "sign him up" only to read that another club has gone the extra mile as far as transfer fee and wages are concerned. We need a consistency in the team as far as possible unless injuries come into play. Does a player on loan give 100% in a game or is it 80% for the game and 20% I am getting paid? But when they no they have two, three or more years playing and if playing well getting every game and put the club first give that 100% that is needed to win.
In the heat of battle, I don't think a professional sportsman considers anything other than the task in hand. You could argue that a loan player is in the shop window so has a duty to himself to perform or is a youngster looking to prove to his parent club that he's got what it takes.
In essence, I'm relaxed about loan signings because if they're scoring goals or making saves in a Brighton shirt, I'll be just as happy as I would be if they were permanent.
I think Rhodes seagull was making the point about the loan players state of mind and not yours.

Thanks for letting us know.

Ps How was your cup of tea, this morning?
Which is the point i answered by giving my opinion - as he did his - and you did yours.
The exception is that of the three, yours was worthless.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: OK thumbs down time!! In the article it states "he regards as a lack of investment in the squad" Is he the only one to see this? I understand there are guide lines that the club does not wish to go beyond but to get players good enough to take us to the Premiere we must spend some decent money, to keep taking on players via the loan market IMO is not really the way to go we need to get players that no they have a two or three year stay at the club and can play together for more than just the one season, how many loan players have we seen play and said "sign him up" only to read that another club has gone the extra mile as far as transfer fee and wages are concerned. We need a consistency in the team as far as possible unless injuries come into play. Does a player on loan give 100% in a game or is it 80% for the game and 20% I am getting paid? But when they no they have two, three or more years playing and if playing well getting every game and put the club first give that 100% that is needed to win.[/p][/quote]In the heat of battle, I don't think a professional sportsman considers anything other than the task in hand. You could argue that a loan player is in the shop window so has a duty to himself to perform or is a youngster looking to prove to his parent club that he's got what it takes. In essence, I'm relaxed about loan signings because if they're scoring goals or making saves in a Brighton shirt, I'll be just as happy as I would be if they were permanent.[/p][/quote]I think Rhodes seagull was making the point about the loan players state of mind and not yours. Thanks for letting us know. Ps How was your cup of tea, this morning?[/p][/quote]Which is the point i answered by giving my opinion - as he did his - and you did yours. The exception is that of the three, yours was worthless. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

12:07pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Neville1973 says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Neville1973 wrote:
it took us some time to find a player like Leo, clearly newly promoted Leicester are having a problem in finding a similar player based on their persistent almost annoying flow of offers. It seems madness to sell him whatever the price, it`s not like we need the money, if we are an ambitious club then you don`t sell your best players at any price. I can`t believe how many fans think we should sell him!
The complication is the player has an opinion too.
If his preferred option is instant Premier League football, the club is in a no-win situation and their desire to retain him is compromised. Yes, you could insist because he's under contract, but keeping an unhappy player is fraught with problems - not least of which, is that he digs his heels in, refuses to sign a new contract when it's due and goes for nothing after seeing out the remaining period in a grump.
My bet would be the club are resigned to losing him and are merely holding out for best price.
Not 'if', but 'when' and 'how much'....
I get what you are saying but there are three years left on his contract, I suggest that the club agrees with him one more season then he can go, he would still have the incentive to impress as he still wants premiership football and with two years (then) we would still get £7m+ for him... winners all round!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville1973[/bold] wrote: it took us some time to find a player like Leo, clearly newly promoted Leicester are having a problem in finding a similar player based on their persistent almost annoying flow of offers. It seems madness to sell him whatever the price, it`s not like we need the money, if we are an ambitious club then you don`t sell your best players at any price. I can`t believe how many fans think we should sell him![/p][/quote]The complication is the player has an opinion too. If his preferred option is instant Premier League football, the club is in a no-win situation and their desire to retain him is compromised. Yes, you could insist because he's under contract, but keeping an unhappy player is fraught with problems - not least of which, is that he digs his heels in, refuses to sign a new contract when it's due and goes for nothing after seeing out the remaining period in a grump. My bet would be the club are resigned to losing him and are merely holding out for best price. Not 'if', but 'when' and 'how much'....[/p][/quote]I get what you are saying but there are three years left on his contract, I suggest that the club agrees with him one more season then he can go, he would still have the incentive to impress as he still wants premiership football and with two years (then) we would still get £7m+ for him... winners all round! Neville1973
  • Score: 3

12:13pm Thu 17 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

Clean Sheet wrote:
How come the Argus appear ro know more about what is happening at Leicester than Brighton? How much of what they are writing here is fact or speculation?
They no as much as when people put so called snippets on here very rarely true they have no story so they make one up, happens alot on here,
[quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: How come the Argus appear ro know more about what is happening at Leicester than Brighton? How much of what they are writing here is fact or speculation?[/p][/quote]They no as much as when people put so called snippets on here very rarely true they have no story so they make one up, happens alot on here, JeffLomer
  • Score: 0

1:01pm Thu 17 Jul 14

gilbertthecat says...

I think the final decision from the club will be based on money, ie. if another club matches our valuation, but that doesn't seem likely at present. The club is a business not a toy after all. I don't think LU would do a 'Bridcutt'. I think he is a different sort and believe there will have been a number of discussions between LU, his agent and the club (meaning SH and DB, maybe even TB). SH will have laid out his stall in terms of how he wants to play. If LU likes the sound of that and thinks it a proper promotion method he may tend to want to stay. I keep seeing that he and his family are happy around here but who knows how much that counts for against the other thoughts he'll be having.

There's still the issue about investment in other players but we must not forget that keeping LU is a massive investment in it's own right. I would hazzard a guess that the club may have said to him work (play) hard, see who gets bought/loaned in and where we are in January, then make a fully informed decision.
I think the final decision from the club will be based on money, ie. if another club matches our valuation, but that doesn't seem likely at present. The club is a business not a toy after all. I don't think LU would do a 'Bridcutt'. I think he is a different sort and believe there will have been a number of discussions between LU, his agent and the club (meaning SH and DB, maybe even TB). SH will have laid out his stall in terms of how he wants to play. If LU likes the sound of that and thinks it a proper promotion method he may tend to want to stay. I keep seeing that he and his family are happy around here but who knows how much that counts for against the other thoughts he'll be having. There's still the issue about investment in other players but we must not forget that keeping LU is a massive investment in it's own right. I would hazzard a guess that the club may have said to him work (play) hard, see who gets bought/loaned in and where we are in January, then make a fully informed decision. gilbertthecat
  • Score: 1

1:35pm Thu 17 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Whilst I am not saying that Naylor is wrong when he talks of what Leo is thinking and feeling, I do wonder how he comes to know what he is stating. 'Sources,' may pass on snippets but what Naylor is telling us is more than just a, 'snippet.' Andy is stating very clearly that Leo is not happy with the player investment levels at the club, which suggests that Leo thinks that we are not bringing in players of a quality that would help us gain promotion. If Naylor is ocrrect then there is a simple solution.

When the next offer comes in from Leicester, and that is assuming that one will, only the Argus is reporting this fact, the club should delay in giving their response to the bid, hold back for a couple of weeks.
One would hope that the arrival of new aquisitions is very close at hand, over the next couple of weeks three or four new guys could very well be signed. Let those signings tell the tale, let's see if they are of a quality that would suggest that we have a chance of contending.
If Ulloa doesn't see ambition in the shape of who we have signed, sell him.
If Andy is right, if Leo thinks we are not showing enough ambition, then just maybe those we bring in will either change, or confirm his thinking. The chances of Leo going have been known for ages so I suspect that the club have considered who they would want to bring in to replace him, so it's not as though we would have a mad dash to get a replacement.

If Ulloa truly wants to stay, and only the absense of what he sees as, 'quality,' arriving, then he can spare two weeks of his life to find out what the squad will look like this season.
Whilst I am not saying that Naylor is wrong when he talks of what Leo is thinking and feeling, I do wonder how he comes to know what he is stating. 'Sources,' may pass on snippets but what Naylor is telling us is more than just a, 'snippet.' Andy is stating very clearly that Leo is not happy with the player investment levels at the club, which suggests that Leo thinks that we are not bringing in players of a quality that would help us gain promotion. If Naylor is ocrrect then there is a simple solution. When the next offer comes in from Leicester, and that is assuming that one will, only the Argus is reporting this fact, the club should delay in giving their response to the bid, hold back for a couple of weeks. One would hope that the arrival of new aquisitions is very close at hand, over the next couple of weeks three or four new guys could very well be signed. Let those signings tell the tale, let's see if they are of a quality that would suggest that we have a chance of contending. If Ulloa doesn't see ambition in the shape of who we have signed, sell him. If Andy is right, if Leo thinks we are not showing enough ambition, then just maybe those we bring in will either change, or confirm his thinking. The chances of Leo going have been known for ages so I suspect that the club have considered who they would want to bring in to replace him, so it's not as though we would have a mad dash to get a replacement. If Ulloa truly wants to stay, and only the absense of what he sees as, 'quality,' arriving, then he can spare two weeks of his life to find out what the squad will look like this season. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

3:00pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Clean Sheet says...

Or is Leo doing a Rooney? Whinging about ambition got Rooney a pretty decent pay rise if I recall correctly.
Actually, we really dont know what Leo is actually thinking, we only have the Argus's take on things. Unless they are getting a lot of info from Leo's Agent. or directly from Leicester, then it is all speculation for us to react to. If from the Agent, is he flying a kite to get a deal or even a better deal than today? We know that BHA keeps its card very close to its chest on player transfers, rightly so in my opinion, so there wont be much coming out of the Amex.
Or is Leo doing a Rooney? Whinging about ambition got Rooney a pretty decent pay rise if I recall correctly. Actually, we really dont know what Leo is actually thinking, we only have the Argus's take on things. Unless they are getting a lot of info from Leo's Agent. or directly from Leicester, then it is all speculation for us to react to. If from the Agent, is he flying a kite to get a deal or even a better deal than today? We know that BHA keeps its card very close to its chest on player transfers, rightly so in my opinion, so there wont be much coming out of the Amex. Clean Sheet
  • Score: 1

5:17pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Brightony says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Grendel wrote:
At £7 million we should sell, and invest that money in the squad.
We really have reached our ceiling then? I think Gus comment that we had is spot on, Leo is right to want to move if premiership football is his aim! If he had a poor season here , what would he be worth this time next year? Also CMS is out of contract in less than a year, the club have a conundrum over next few weeks, .
The romour over season ticket sales seems not great, the club can't expect the new fans to watch poor quality .
And how will the sale of Ulloa affect ticket sales, do you think?
It can't effect season ticket sales, as most have purchased, the club are not being forth coming over exact sales figures to date, but they have sold over 20,000 or a drop of 15% or about £ 2 million if you add food and merchandise .
I think the club have done well to maintain above 20k in my opinion, however a poor season with sales of key players ( we took over a year to find Leo)
Last season while gate numbers were announced as 27,000 it was widely accepted gates were 23000 .. Yes people can't make every game, but whatever you think, people pay for quality football at premiership rates here.. That needs to be delivered as last year was complete boring rubbish for 17-18 games.
I think the club policy is to quote the number of tickets sold as the 'attendance' figure - that includes all season tickets - not the actual number of bodies that have come through the gates. Therefore there's over 20,000 'attending' each game before anyone's even stepped through the turnstiles for each home match!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: At £7 million we should sell, and invest that money in the squad.[/p][/quote]We really have reached our ceiling then? I think Gus comment that we had is spot on, Leo is right to want to move if premiership football is his aim! If he had a poor season here , what would he be worth this time next year? Also CMS is out of contract in less than a year, the club have a conundrum over next few weeks, . The romour over season ticket sales seems not great, the club can't expect the new fans to watch poor quality .[/p][/quote]And how will the sale of Ulloa affect ticket sales, do you think?[/p][/quote]It can't effect season ticket sales, as most have purchased, the club are not being forth coming over exact sales figures to date, but they have sold over 20,000 or a drop of 15% or about £ 2 million if you add food and merchandise . I think the club have done well to maintain above 20k in my opinion, however a poor season with sales of key players ( we took over a year to find Leo) Last season while gate numbers were announced as 27,000 it was widely accepted gates were 23000 .. Yes people can't make every game, but whatever you think, people pay for quality football at premiership rates here.. That needs to be delivered as last year was complete boring rubbish for 17-18 games.[/p][/quote]I think the club policy is to quote the number of tickets sold as the 'attendance' figure - that includes all season tickets - not the actual number of bodies that have come through the gates. Therefore there's over 20,000 'attending' each game before anyone's even stepped through the turnstiles for each home match! Brightony
  • Score: 3

8:57pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Falmer Wizard says...

Take £7million now rather than risk injury or loss of form, this would provide for some signings which together with the young players on the books should provide us with a team playing attractive flowing football at home at least,after another 3/4 years in this league the constant pressure for promotion will reduce when we can see the poor displays outside the top ten sides in the Premiership.
Mr Bloom has done so much for this club lets show our appreciation.
Take £7million now rather than risk injury or loss of form, this would provide for some signings which together with the young players on the books should provide us with a team playing attractive flowing football at home at least,after another 3/4 years in this league the constant pressure for promotion will reduce when we can see the poor displays outside the top ten sides in the Premiership. Mr Bloom has done so much for this club lets show our appreciation. Falmer Wizard
  • Score: 0

9:10pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Lamby63 says...

Sell him ASAP , his first touch is poor and his second touch is a tackle , his effort from Christmas was shocking
Sell him ASAP , his first touch is poor and his second touch is a tackle , his effort from Christmas was shocking Lamby63
  • Score: 0

9:19pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Baldseagull says...

Naylor is guessing as much as anyone else I reckon.
Naylor is guessing as much as anyone else I reckon. Baldseagull
  • Score: 0

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