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Albion close in on O'Grady deal

The Argus: Chris O'Grady (right) Chris O'Grady (right)

Albion are closing in on Barnsley striker Chris O'Grady.

The centre-forward is expected to complete a £500,000 move to the Seagulls on a three-year contract, subject to passing a medical.

Barnsley are not due back from their pre-season tour in the Italian Alps until Tuesday but O'Grady has flown back early to finalise his switch to the Amex.

The much-travelled 28-year-old is not a direct replacement for Leo Ulloa, who is on the verge of joining Leicester for a fee in excess of £7 million.

The Seagulls were already tracking O'Grady, 28, to boost manager Sami Hyypia's striking options.

Craig Mackail-Smith was the only orthodox forward available to Hyypia for last night's 3-1 friendly defeat by Real Betis in Spain, with youngster Shamir Fenelon sidelined by a slight knock.

Midfielder Nzuzi Toko also missed the Betis defeat with a leg injury which is also understood to be minor in nature.

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10:18am Fri 18 Jul 14

mrgull says...

are they paying us .I can't see a journeyman with limited talent is the person for us.....just my opinion
are they paying us .I can't see a journeyman with limited talent is the person for us.....just my opinion mrgull
  • Score: -12

10:23am Fri 18 Jul 14

namgo49 says...

mrgull wrote:
are they paying us .I can't see a journeyman with limited talent is the person for us.....just my opinion
To which you are more than entitled. Personally, I think he will be a decent signing. Surprised though he will get a three year deal.
[quote][p][bold]mrgull[/bold] wrote: are they paying us .I can't see a journeyman with limited talent is the person for us.....just my opinion[/p][/quote]To which you are more than entitled. Personally, I think he will be a decent signing. Surprised though he will get a three year deal. namgo49
  • Score: 19

10:25am Fri 18 Jul 14

the taffster says...

For Christ sake Burke and barber you haven't got a clue,have you? Did u watch the game against Barnsley at the amex? The best player on the park was paddy McCourt by a country mile....so we sign pog....
For Christ sake Burke and barber you haven't got a clue,have you? Did u watch the game against Barnsley at the amex? The best player on the park was paddy McCourt by a country mile....so we sign pog.... the taffster
  • Score: -20

10:37am Fri 18 Jul 14

Clean Sheet says...

the taffster wrote:
For Christ sake Burke and barber you haven't got a clue,have you? Did u watch the game against Barnsley at the amex? The best player on the park was paddy McCourt by a country mile....so we sign pog....
Would this be the same duo who signed Ulloa for £2 mil 18 months ago surely?
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: For Christ sake Burke and barber you haven't got a clue,have you? Did u watch the game against Barnsley at the amex? The best player on the park was paddy McCourt by a country mile....so we sign pog....[/p][/quote]Would this be the same duo who signed Ulloa for £2 mil 18 months ago surely? Clean Sheet
  • Score: 31

10:38am Fri 18 Jul 14

Claude Back says...

Clean Sheet wrote:
the taffster wrote:
For Christ sake Burke and barber you haven't got a clue,have you? Did u watch the game against Barnsley at the amex? The best player on the park was paddy McCourt by a country mile....so we sign pog....
Would this be the same duo who signed Ulloa for £2 mil 18 months ago surely?
Actually, that was down to Gus.
[quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: For Christ sake Burke and barber you haven't got a clue,have you? Did u watch the game against Barnsley at the amex? The best player on the park was paddy McCourt by a country mile....so we sign pog....[/p][/quote]Would this be the same duo who signed Ulloa for £2 mil 18 months ago surely?[/p][/quote]Actually, that was down to Gus. Claude Back
  • Score: -6

10:40am Fri 18 Jul 14

Anthony 14 says...

I can't believe all the negative comments on O'Grady. We are all disappointed to see Ulloa go, but I was at Barnsley in April and O'Grady looked decent.

He caused real problems, won everything in the air and was strong and aggressive. He looked far more dangerous than Ulloa that day and more committed, so I think he will be a decent signing if we get him. He scored 15 league goals in a poor team which is impressive. I think he could be great for us.
I can't believe all the negative comments on O'Grady. We are all disappointed to see Ulloa go, but I was at Barnsley in April and O'Grady looked decent. He caused real problems, won everything in the air and was strong and aggressive. He looked far more dangerous than Ulloa that day and more committed, so I think he will be a decent signing if we get him. He scored 15 league goals in a poor team which is impressive. I think he could be great for us. Anthony 14
  • Score: 54

10:46am Fri 18 Jul 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Clean Sheet wrote:
the taffster wrote:
For Christ sake Burke and barber you haven't got a clue,have you? Did u watch the game against Barnsley at the amex? The best player on the park was paddy McCourt by a country mile....so we sign pog....
Would this be the same duo who signed Ulloa for £2 mil 18 months ago surely?
Ah but that was when Gus still had more say and used his contacts and before the authority with signings really shifted! The reason that the last two managers left and why no decent manager will agree to that imbalance .

I believe Tony has seen that and it has been rectified to some degree with Sami Hyypia. He doesn't need just the money or any old job so I think he got things agreed before he signed. Let's hope so as it is the only way a football club functions properly.
[quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: For Christ sake Burke and barber you haven't got a clue,have you? Did u watch the game against Barnsley at the amex? The best player on the park was paddy McCourt by a country mile....so we sign pog....[/p][/quote]Would this be the same duo who signed Ulloa for £2 mil 18 months ago surely?[/p][/quote]Ah but that was when Gus still had more say and used his contacts and before the authority with signings really shifted! The reason that the last two managers left and why no decent manager will agree to that imbalance . I believe Tony has seen that and it has been rectified to some degree with Sami Hyypia. He doesn't need just the money or any old job so I think he got things agreed before he signed. Let's hope so as it is the only way a football club functions properly. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 16

10:49am Fri 18 Jul 14

Gee Jay says...

Agree, Iif this guy is a repalcement for Will Hoskins and Ashley Barnes then it is a good signing and a good bit of business.
Who did we have that scored 15 goals last season?
However, we will still need to replace Leo.
Glad to see CMS looking hungry and getting goals, perhaps Sami will get the best from him this season, and let him play to his strengths.
Agree, Iif this guy is a repalcement for Will Hoskins and Ashley Barnes then it is a good signing and a good bit of business. Who did we have that scored 15 goals last season? However, we will still need to replace Leo. Glad to see CMS looking hungry and getting goals, perhaps Sami will get the best from him this season, and let him play to his strengths. Gee Jay
  • Score: 45

10:52am Fri 18 Jul 14

4everaseagull says...

Anthony 14 wrote:
I can't believe all the negative comments on O'Grady. We are all disappointed to see Ulloa go, but I was at Barnsley in April and O'Grady looked decent.

He caused real problems, won everything in the air and was strong and aggressive. He looked far more dangerous than Ulloa that day and more committed, so I think he will be a decent signing if we get him. He scored 15 league goals in a poor team which is impressive. I think he could be great for us.
Totally agree with this Anthony 14. Too many negative posters too often on here I am afraid. As the article says O'Grady is not a direct replacement for Ulloa but is an addition to the striking department who I feel will be good for us as he managed to score goals for a struggling team last season. £5m profit on Ulloa in 18 months that is a fantastic bit of business. Personally I think Leicester have paid over the odds for an untried striker in the Premier League but then again look at the stupid fee Fulham have paid for McCormack. Market forces and all that and not the players fault I know. I have faith that the club will allow Sami to use the money from Ulloa's sale to invest in the squad and I reckon we will be pleasantly surprised with the replacement and other additions. Time will tell though. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Anthony 14[/bold] wrote: I can't believe all the negative comments on O'Grady. We are all disappointed to see Ulloa go, but I was at Barnsley in April and O'Grady looked decent. He caused real problems, won everything in the air and was strong and aggressive. He looked far more dangerous than Ulloa that day and more committed, so I think he will be a decent signing if we get him. He scored 15 league goals in a poor team which is impressive. I think he could be great for us.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with this Anthony 14. Too many negative posters too often on here I am afraid. As the article says O'Grady is not a direct replacement for Ulloa but is an addition to the striking department who I feel will be good for us as he managed to score goals for a struggling team last season. £5m profit on Ulloa in 18 months that is a fantastic bit of business. Personally I think Leicester have paid over the odds for an untried striker in the Premier League but then again look at the stupid fee Fulham have paid for McCormack. Market forces and all that and not the players fault I know. I have faith that the club will allow Sami to use the money from Ulloa's sale to invest in the squad and I reckon we will be pleasantly surprised with the replacement and other additions. Time will tell though. UTA 4everaseagull
  • Score: 21

10:54am Fri 18 Jul 14

mark5 says...

Anthony 14 wrote:
I can't believe all the negative comments on O'Grady. We are all disappointed to see Ulloa go, but I was at Barnsley in April and O'Grady looked decent.

He caused real problems, won everything in the air and was strong and aggressive. He looked far more dangerous than Ulloa that day and more committed, so I think he will be a decent signing if we get him. He scored 15 league goals in a poor team which is impressive. I think he could be great for us.
Yes, so was I and agree with all you say. As the article states, he is not a replacement for Alloa, so I expect a bigger signing is on the way, given the pretty hefty sum that Leicester have lined our coffers with. This is excellent business from our point of view and the board have played this very well. Leicester are taking a big risk on Alloa in my opinion, so I have no issue with him moving on for the money received. O'Grady is a pretty decent back up/bench forward for us and £500,000 is a good buy! Things beginning to hot up now and am very confident that more is on the way, so all good. The lack of information is the "Albion Way" now and the best thing for all of us to do is to chill out and wait! UTA!
[quote][p][bold]Anthony 14[/bold] wrote: I can't believe all the negative comments on O'Grady. We are all disappointed to see Ulloa go, but I was at Barnsley in April and O'Grady looked decent. He caused real problems, won everything in the air and was strong and aggressive. He looked far more dangerous than Ulloa that day and more committed, so I think he will be a decent signing if we get him. He scored 15 league goals in a poor team which is impressive. I think he could be great for us.[/p][/quote]Yes, so was I and agree with all you say. As the article states, he is not a replacement for Alloa, so I expect a bigger signing is on the way, given the pretty hefty sum that Leicester have lined our coffers with. This is excellent business from our point of view and the board have played this very well. Leicester are taking a big risk on Alloa in my opinion, so I have no issue with him moving on for the money received. O'Grady is a pretty decent back up/bench forward for us and £500,000 is a good buy! Things beginning to hot up now and am very confident that more is on the way, so all good. The lack of information is the "Albion Way" now and the best thing for all of us to do is to chill out and wait! UTA! mark5
  • Score: 17

11:01am Fri 18 Jul 14

AburridoEnTrabajo says...

mark5 wrote:
Anthony 14 wrote:
I can't believe all the negative comments on O'Grady. We are all disappointed to see Ulloa go, but I was at Barnsley in April and O'Grady looked decent.

He caused real problems, won everything in the air and was strong and aggressive. He looked far more dangerous than Ulloa that day and more committed, so I think he will be a decent signing if we get him. He scored 15 league goals in a poor team which is impressive. I think he could be great for us.
Yes, so was I and agree with all you say. As the article states, he is not a replacement for Alloa, so I expect a bigger signing is on the way, given the pretty hefty sum that Leicester have lined our coffers with. This is excellent business from our point of view and the board have played this very well. Leicester are taking a big risk on Alloa in my opinion, so I have no issue with him moving on for the money received. O'Grady is a pretty decent back up/bench forward for us and £500,000 is a good buy! Things beginning to hot up now and am very confident that more is on the way, so all good. The lack of information is the "Albion Way" now and the best thing for all of us to do is to chill out and wait! UTA!
Spot on. if we're paying £500,000 for an experienced player who scored 15 goals in a team that got relegated last season then that's got to be good business. I'm happy with the money were supposedly getting for Ulloa, I'm happy with this deal, and I'm looking forward to us finding Ulloa's replacement.
[quote][p][bold]mark5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anthony 14[/bold] wrote: I can't believe all the negative comments on O'Grady. We are all disappointed to see Ulloa go, but I was at Barnsley in April and O'Grady looked decent. He caused real problems, won everything in the air and was strong and aggressive. He looked far more dangerous than Ulloa that day and more committed, so I think he will be a decent signing if we get him. He scored 15 league goals in a poor team which is impressive. I think he could be great for us.[/p][/quote]Yes, so was I and agree with all you say. As the article states, he is not a replacement for Alloa, so I expect a bigger signing is on the way, given the pretty hefty sum that Leicester have lined our coffers with. This is excellent business from our point of view and the board have played this very well. Leicester are taking a big risk on Alloa in my opinion, so I have no issue with him moving on for the money received. O'Grady is a pretty decent back up/bench forward for us and £500,000 is a good buy! Things beginning to hot up now and am very confident that more is on the way, so all good. The lack of information is the "Albion Way" now and the best thing for all of us to do is to chill out and wait! UTA![/p][/quote]Spot on. if we're paying £500,000 for an experienced player who scored 15 goals in a team that got relegated last season then that's got to be good business. I'm happy with the money were supposedly getting for Ulloa, I'm happy with this deal, and I'm looking forward to us finding Ulloa's replacement. AburridoEnTrabajo
  • Score: 16

11:07am Fri 18 Jul 14

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

namgo49 wrote:
mrgull wrote:
are they paying us .I can't see a journeyman with limited talent is the person for us.....just my opinion
To which you are more than entitled. Personally, I think he will be a decent signing. Surprised though he will get a three year deal.
Yes, O'Grady would normally have four clubs at least in three years...
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrgull[/bold] wrote: are they paying us .I can't see a journeyman with limited talent is the person for us.....just my opinion[/p][/quote]To which you are more than entitled. Personally, I think he will be a decent signing. Surprised though he will get a three year deal.[/p][/quote]Yes, O'Grady would normally have four clubs at least in three years... Willie, Willie Irvine
  • Score: 8

11:09am Fri 18 Jul 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Sorry to see Leo go but also satisfied we have secured a good forward in Chris O'Grady although I know little about him. Those on here posting negative opinions are entitled to their views but should really wait and see how things pan out. We may have signed a diamond. UTA
Sorry to see Leo go but also satisfied we have secured a good forward in Chris O'Grady although I know little about him. Those on here posting negative opinions are entitled to their views but should really wait and see how things pan out. We may have signed a diamond. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 9

11:19am Fri 18 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

Anthony 14 wrote:
I can't believe all the negative comments on O'Grady. We are all disappointed to see Ulloa go, but I was at Barnsley in April and O'Grady looked decent.

He caused real problems, won everything in the air and was strong and aggressive. He looked far more dangerous than Ulloa that day and more committed, so I think he will be a decent signing if we get him. He scored 15 league goals in a poor team which is impressive. I think he could be great for us.
Morning totally agree with your post, i also was at the game with the other 400 fans who bothered to go, he looked a decent player to me as well, people are doubting him because most have not seen him play and he has been at a lot off clubs, for half a million he will do me, he scored one less goal than Leo who was in a much better team, he is not a replacement for Leo just so happened both deals were confirmed on here the same day, he replaces Hoskins/Barnes in my opinion!!
[quote][p][bold]Anthony 14[/bold] wrote: I can't believe all the negative comments on O'Grady. We are all disappointed to see Ulloa go, but I was at Barnsley in April and O'Grady looked decent. He caused real problems, won everything in the air and was strong and aggressive. He looked far more dangerous than Ulloa that day and more committed, so I think he will be a decent signing if we get him. He scored 15 league goals in a poor team which is impressive. I think he could be great for us.[/p][/quote]Morning totally agree with your post, i also was at the game with the other 400 fans who bothered to go, he looked a decent player to me as well, people are doubting him because most have not seen him play and he has been at a lot off clubs, for half a million he will do me, he scored one less goal than Leo who was in a much better team, he is not a replacement for Leo just so happened both deals were confirmed on here the same day, he replaces Hoskins/Barnes in my opinion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 6

11:24am Fri 18 Jul 14

pte says...

You can't argue with 15 goals. If he gets 15 goals this season he'll be worth every penny and at 500k a better deal than 1m for Grabban would have been

Sometimes it's better to get an honest pro and put him in a good team rather than get an overpriced fancy dan. Lets hope we have a decent winger to provide the crosses. And a decent goalkeeper
You can't argue with 15 goals. If he gets 15 goals this season he'll be worth every penny and at 500k a better deal than 1m for Grabban would have been Sometimes it's better to get an honest pro and put him in a good team rather than get an overpriced fancy dan. Lets hope we have a decent winger to provide the crosses. And a decent goalkeeper pte
  • Score: 19

11:25am Fri 18 Jul 14

Major Bloodboil says...

It is impossible to gauge what the team is going to be like this coming season until the transfer dealings have been concluded. Granted that the additions thus far have not set the heart a-beating, but it is still too early to make a reasoned judgment.

Although I am a little sorry to see Ulloa go as he has a good goals to game ratio, to me he was a frustrating player as he was always falling over or moaning to the referee and he was not the swiftest of forwards. Therefore to sell him for £7M must be great business especially if we can get Becchio as a replacement. If this happens then I reckon that we will have got the better of the two deals.

I just hope that we play more attacking football this coming season than we did last season which was truly boring for the most part. I have a feeling that CMS will have a great season. It all depends if we can if we play to his skills. I reckon we will.
It is impossible to gauge what the team is going to be like this coming season until the transfer dealings have been concluded. Granted that the additions thus far have not set the heart a-beating, but it is still too early to make a reasoned judgment. Although I am a little sorry to see Ulloa go as he has a good goals to game ratio, to me he was a frustrating player as he was always falling over or moaning to the referee and he was not the swiftest of forwards. Therefore to sell him for £7M must be great business especially if we can get Becchio as a replacement. If this happens then I reckon that we will have got the better of the two deals. I just hope that we play more attacking football this coming season than we did last season which was truly boring for the most part. I have a feeling that CMS will have a great season. It all depends if we can if we play to his skills. I reckon we will. Major Bloodboil
  • Score: 12

11:34am Fri 18 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

Anthony 14 wrote:
I can't believe all the negative comments on O'Grady. We are all disappointed to see Ulloa go, but I was at Barnsley in April and O'Grady looked decent.

He caused real problems, won everything in the air and was strong and aggressive. He looked far more dangerous than Ulloa that day and more committed, so I think he will be a decent signing if we get him. He scored 15 league goals in a poor team which is impressive. I think he could be great for us.
I think that O'Grady is more a replacement for Barnes than Ulloa. With a fee reported of £500,000 that seems reasonable business to me since Barnes was sold to Burnley for around £750,000 as quoted in the Argus in January.
So a £200,000 plus profit and a replacement who actually scored more goals than Barnes last season makes sense on paper - let's hope the reality proves just as positive.
It will be interesting to see who else might be in the pipeline. At least with the funds from Ulloa's and Bridcutt's sales we should have a reasonably competitive budget.
The Albion - onwards and upwards.
[quote][p][bold]Anthony 14[/bold] wrote: I can't believe all the negative comments on O'Grady. We are all disappointed to see Ulloa go, but I was at Barnsley in April and O'Grady looked decent. He caused real problems, won everything in the air and was strong and aggressive. He looked far more dangerous than Ulloa that day and more committed, so I think he will be a decent signing if we get him. He scored 15 league goals in a poor team which is impressive. I think he could be great for us.[/p][/quote]I think that O'Grady is more a replacement for Barnes than Ulloa. With a fee reported of £500,000 that seems reasonable business to me since Barnes was sold to Burnley for around £750,000 as quoted in the Argus in January. So a £200,000 plus profit and a replacement who actually scored more goals than Barnes last season makes sense on paper - let's hope the reality proves just as positive. It will be interesting to see who else might be in the pipeline. At least with the funds from Ulloa's and Bridcutt's sales we should have a reasonably competitive budget. The Albion - onwards and upwards. ballantrrae
  • Score: 6

11:36am Fri 18 Jul 14

Claude Back says...

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:
namgo49 wrote:
mrgull wrote:
are they paying us .I can't see a journeyman with limited talent is the person for us.....just my opinion
To which you are more than entitled. Personally, I think he will be a decent signing. Surprised though he will get a three year deal.
Yes, O'Grady would normally have four clubs at least in three years...
Very droll, Willie. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Willie, Willie Irvine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrgull[/bold] wrote: are they paying us .I can't see a journeyman with limited talent is the person for us.....just my opinion[/p][/quote]To which you are more than entitled. Personally, I think he will be a decent signing. Surprised though he will get a three year deal.[/p][/quote]Yes, O'Grady would normally have four clubs at least in three years...[/p][/quote]Very droll, Willie. ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: 11

11:38am Fri 18 Jul 14

bruce beckett says...

Today's headline should read: 23,000 MUGGED IN BRIGHTON.

We never truly got the chance to see what Leo and CMS could do as a pair up front. Now we've parted with our hard-earned cash to watch a team with little or no chance of achieving anything this season.

First Gus, then Oscar and now Leo. It's becoming a common theme. The club could not meet their ambitions. Nor mine, I'm afraid.

O'Grady says...mid-table or lower this season. We've missed out on the best players – like Matty Fryatt – already. Mind you, we wouldn't have been willing to pay his wages anyway.
Today's headline should read: 23,000 MUGGED IN BRIGHTON. We never truly got the chance to see what Leo and CMS could do as a pair up front. Now we've parted with our hard-earned cash to watch a team with little or no chance of achieving anything this season. First Gus, then Oscar and now Leo. It's becoming a common theme. The club could not meet their ambitions. Nor mine, I'm afraid. O'Grady says...mid-table or lower this season. We've missed out on the best players – like Matty Fryatt – already. Mind you, we wouldn't have been willing to pay his wages anyway. bruce beckett
  • Score: -63

11:44am Fri 18 Jul 14

Claude Back says...

Major Bloodboil wrote:
It is impossible to gauge what the team is going to be like this coming season until the transfer dealings have been concluded. Granted that the additions thus far have not set the heart a-beating, but it is still too early to make a reasoned judgment.

Although I am a little sorry to see Ulloa go as he has a good goals to game ratio, to me he was a frustrating player as he was always falling over or moaning to the referee and he was not the swiftest of forwards. Therefore to sell him for £7M must be great business especially if we can get Becchio as a replacement. If this happens then I reckon that we will have got the better of the two deals.

I just hope that we play more attacking football this coming season than we did last season which was truly boring for the most part. I have a feeling that CMS will have a great season. It all depends if we can if we play to his skills. I reckon we will.
I agree, Major. I think Becchio and CMS would be a great combo as Becchio is much faster than Leo. Only trouble is that Watford and Leeds are also after him and Leeds need a McCormack replacement so it might push the price up a bit. I hope Becchio won't want to go back there.
A front three of CMS, Becchio and a really fit Buckley would be great with Ward/Chicksen and Bruno/Calde crossing from the wings, don't you think?
[quote][p][bold]Major Bloodboil[/bold] wrote: It is impossible to gauge what the team is going to be like this coming season until the transfer dealings have been concluded. Granted that the additions thus far have not set the heart a-beating, but it is still too early to make a reasoned judgment. Although I am a little sorry to see Ulloa go as he has a good goals to game ratio, to me he was a frustrating player as he was always falling over or moaning to the referee and he was not the swiftest of forwards. Therefore to sell him for £7M must be great business especially if we can get Becchio as a replacement. If this happens then I reckon that we will have got the better of the two deals. I just hope that we play more attacking football this coming season than we did last season which was truly boring for the most part. I have a feeling that CMS will have a great season. It all depends if we can if we play to his skills. I reckon we will.[/p][/quote]I agree, Major. I think Becchio and CMS would be a great combo as Becchio is much faster than Leo. Only trouble is that Watford and Leeds are also after him and Leeds need a McCormack replacement so it might push the price up a bit. I hope Becchio won't want to go back there. A front three of CMS, Becchio and a really fit Buckley would be great with Ward/Chicksen and Bruno/Calde crossing from the wings, don't you think? Claude Back
  • Score: 16

12:04pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

This is a kick in the nuts for the supporters. A Barnsley supporter I know told me this bloke is vastly overrated and at best average league one standard, talks a good game then gets found out hence has to keep moving from club to club, which sets the alarm bells ringing. However much we pay for him is too much. That's our season gone down the pan before a ball is kicked, the suits clearly have no regard for supporters hopes and dreams and are only interested in running the club on the tiniest budget they can get away with.
This is a kick in the nuts for the supporters. A Barnsley supporter I know told me this bloke is vastly overrated and at best average league one standard, talks a good game then gets found out hence has to keep moving from club to club, which sets the alarm bells ringing. However much we pay for him is too much. That's our season gone down the pan before a ball is kicked, the suits clearly have no regard for supporters hopes and dreams and are only interested in running the club on the tiniest budget they can get away with. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -30

12:10pm Fri 18 Jul 14

SpainSeagull says...

Looks like a good back-up option to me. Certainly in a different league to Rodriguez and Obika. Looking at this video he knows where the goal is and can score from different areas.

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=yXYBVKks
ZZY
Looks like a good back-up option to me. Certainly in a different league to Rodriguez and Obika. Looking at this video he knows where the goal is and can score from different areas. https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=yXYBVKks ZZY SpainSeagull
  • Score: 11

12:13pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Beale32 says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
This is a kick in the nuts for the supporters. A Barnsley supporter I know told me this bloke is vastly overrated and at best average league one standard, talks a good game then gets found out hence has to keep moving from club to club, which sets the alarm bells ringing. However much we pay for him is too much. That's our season gone down the pan before a ball is kicked, the suits clearly have no regard for supporters hopes and dreams and are only interested in running the club on the tiniest budget they can get away with.
How about you judge him at after a few months. He scored 15 goals playing in a poor side. Maybe he will flourish within our team.
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: This is a kick in the nuts for the supporters. A Barnsley supporter I know told me this bloke is vastly overrated and at best average league one standard, talks a good game then gets found out hence has to keep moving from club to club, which sets the alarm bells ringing. However much we pay for him is too much. That's our season gone down the pan before a ball is kicked, the suits clearly have no regard for supporters hopes and dreams and are only interested in running the club on the tiniest budget they can get away with.[/p][/quote]How about you judge him at after a few months. He scored 15 goals playing in a poor side. Maybe he will flourish within our team. Beale32
  • Score: 13

12:22pm Fri 18 Jul 14

mikeygit says...

Well done Argus we have now had THREE articles telling us we are in for O´Grady---think we have the message now.
I think the Club may well surprise us with a good signing or two and IF we get Beccio , as rumoured, then for me and many others that will be good. He and CMS together may work wonders. We live in hope!!
Well done Argus we have now had THREE articles telling us we are in for O´Grady---think we have the message now. I think the Club may well surprise us with a good signing or two and IF we get Beccio , as rumoured, then for me and many others that will be good. He and CMS together may work wonders. We live in hope!! mikeygit
  • Score: 6

12:27pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Beale32 wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
This is a kick in the nuts for the supporters. A Barnsley supporter I know told me this bloke is vastly overrated and at best average league one standard, talks a good game then gets found out hence has to keep moving from club to club, which sets the alarm bells ringing. However much we pay for him is too much. That's our season gone down the pan before a ball is kicked, the suits clearly have no regard for supporters hopes and dreams and are only interested in running the club on the tiniest budget they can get away with.
How about you judge him at after a few months. He scored 15 goals playing in a poor side. Maybe he will flourish within our team.
Yes in one of the poorest standard championships for years don't forget, the overall standard of teams is falling and even mediocre players can appear better than they really are. If we were relegated to league 1 then this is a reasonable signing otherwise no not good enough.
[quote][p][bold]Beale32[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: This is a kick in the nuts for the supporters. A Barnsley supporter I know told me this bloke is vastly overrated and at best average league one standard, talks a good game then gets found out hence has to keep moving from club to club, which sets the alarm bells ringing. However much we pay for him is too much. That's our season gone down the pan before a ball is kicked, the suits clearly have no regard for supporters hopes and dreams and are only interested in running the club on the tiniest budget they can get away with.[/p][/quote]How about you judge him at after a few months. He scored 15 goals playing in a poor side. Maybe he will flourish within our team.[/p][/quote]Yes in one of the poorest standard championships for years don't forget, the overall standard of teams is falling and even mediocre players can appear better than they really are. If we were relegated to league 1 then this is a reasonable signing otherwise no not good enough. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -10

12:43pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

bruce beckett wrote:
Today's headline should read: 23,000 MUGGED IN BRIGHTON.

We never truly got the chance to see what Leo and CMS could do as a pair up front. Now we've parted with our hard-earned cash to watch a team with little or no chance of achieving anything this season.

First Gus, then Oscar and now Leo. It's becoming a common theme. The club could not meet their ambitions. Nor mine, I'm afraid.

O'Grady says...mid-table or lower this season. We've missed out on the best players – like Matty Fryatt – already. Mind you, we wouldn't have been willing to pay his wages anyway.
i thought you lived in new york
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Today's headline should read: 23,000 MUGGED IN BRIGHTON. We never truly got the chance to see what Leo and CMS could do as a pair up front. Now we've parted with our hard-earned cash to watch a team with little or no chance of achieving anything this season. First Gus, then Oscar and now Leo. It's becoming a common theme. The club could not meet their ambitions. Nor mine, I'm afraid. O'Grady says...mid-table or lower this season. We've missed out on the best players – like Matty Fryatt – already. Mind you, we wouldn't have been willing to pay his wages anyway.[/p][/quote]i thought you lived in new york Cockwomble
  • Score: -1

12:45pm Fri 18 Jul 14

dave from bexill says...

mark5 wrote:
Anthony 14 wrote:
I can't believe all the negative comments on O'Grady. We are all disappointed to see Ulloa go, but I was at Barnsley in April and O'Grady looked decent.

He caused real problems, won everything in the air and was strong and aggressive. He looked far more dangerous than Ulloa that day and more committed, so I think he will be a decent signing if we get him. He scored 15 league goals in a poor team which is impressive. I think he could be great for us.
Yes, so was I and agree with all you say. As the article states, he is not a replacement for Alloa, so I expect a bigger signing is on the way, given the pretty hefty sum that Leicester have lined our coffers with. This is excellent business from our point of view and the board have played this very well. Leicester are taking a big risk on Alloa in my opinion, so I have no issue with him moving on for the money received. O'Grady is a pretty decent back up/bench forward for us and £500,000 is a good buy! Things beginning to hot up now and am very confident that more is on the way, so all good. The lack of information is the "Albion Way" now and the best thing for all of us to do is to chill out and wait! UTA!
Alloa, I watched a game there once many years ago, against Cowdenbeath I think it was. But we know who you mean Mark
[quote][p][bold]mark5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anthony 14[/bold] wrote: I can't believe all the negative comments on O'Grady. We are all disappointed to see Ulloa go, but I was at Barnsley in April and O'Grady looked decent. He caused real problems, won everything in the air and was strong and aggressive. He looked far more dangerous than Ulloa that day and more committed, so I think he will be a decent signing if we get him. He scored 15 league goals in a poor team which is impressive. I think he could be great for us.[/p][/quote]Yes, so was I and agree with all you say. As the article states, he is not a replacement for Alloa, so I expect a bigger signing is on the way, given the pretty hefty sum that Leicester have lined our coffers with. This is excellent business from our point of view and the board have played this very well. Leicester are taking a big risk on Alloa in my opinion, so I have no issue with him moving on for the money received. O'Grady is a pretty decent back up/bench forward for us and £500,000 is a good buy! Things beginning to hot up now and am very confident that more is on the way, so all good. The lack of information is the "Albion Way" now and the best thing for all of us to do is to chill out and wait! UTA![/p][/quote]Alloa, I watched a game there once many years ago, against Cowdenbeath I think it was. But we know who you mean Mark dave from bexill
  • Score: 7

12:49pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Major Bloodboil says...

Claude Back wrote:
Major Bloodboil wrote:
It is impossible to gauge what the team is going to be like this coming season until the transfer dealings have been concluded. Granted that the additions thus far have not set the heart a-beating, but it is still too early to make a reasoned judgment.

Although I am a little sorry to see Ulloa go as he has a good goals to game ratio, to me he was a frustrating player as he was always falling over or moaning to the referee and he was not the swiftest of forwards. Therefore to sell him for £7M must be great business especially if we can get Becchio as a replacement. If this happens then I reckon that we will have got the better of the two deals.

I just hope that we play more attacking football this coming season than we did last season which was truly boring for the most part. I have a feeling that CMS will have a great season. It all depends if we can if we play to his skills. I reckon we will.
I agree, Major. I think Becchio and CMS would be a great combo as Becchio is much faster than Leo. Only trouble is that Watford and Leeds are also after him and Leeds need a McCormack replacement so it might push the price up a bit. I hope Becchio won't want to go back there.
A front three of CMS, Becchio and a really fit Buckley would be great with Ward/Chicksen and Bruno/Calde crossing from the wings, don't you think?
An attack like that one would certainly get the pulses racing CB. Here's hoping. To attack at a fast pace with swift forwards, that is what I would like to see and think we may see it.

I hope that Chicksen can make the grade as his pace is electric and would assist us getting up the pitch quickly on the counter attack.

One thing that is a bit disappointing is that Jeffrey Monakana hasn't been involved in the pre-season games. I liked the look of him as he was another pacey player in the KLL mode. Anyone know what has happened to him as he does not even appear anywhere that I can find on the Seagulls web site?
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Major Bloodboil[/bold] wrote: It is impossible to gauge what the team is going to be like this coming season until the transfer dealings have been concluded. Granted that the additions thus far have not set the heart a-beating, but it is still too early to make a reasoned judgment. Although I am a little sorry to see Ulloa go as he has a good goals to game ratio, to me he was a frustrating player as he was always falling over or moaning to the referee and he was not the swiftest of forwards. Therefore to sell him for £7M must be great business especially if we can get Becchio as a replacement. If this happens then I reckon that we will have got the better of the two deals. I just hope that we play more attacking football this coming season than we did last season which was truly boring for the most part. I have a feeling that CMS will have a great season. It all depends if we can if we play to his skills. I reckon we will.[/p][/quote]I agree, Major. I think Becchio and CMS would be a great combo as Becchio is much faster than Leo. Only trouble is that Watford and Leeds are also after him and Leeds need a McCormack replacement so it might push the price up a bit. I hope Becchio won't want to go back there. A front three of CMS, Becchio and a really fit Buckley would be great with Ward/Chicksen and Bruno/Calde crossing from the wings, don't you think?[/p][/quote]An attack like that one would certainly get the pulses racing CB. Here's hoping. To attack at a fast pace with swift forwards, that is what I would like to see and think we may see it. I hope that Chicksen can make the grade as his pace is electric and would assist us getting up the pitch quickly on the counter attack. One thing that is a bit disappointing is that Jeffrey Monakana hasn't been involved in the pre-season games. I liked the look of him as he was another pacey player in the KLL mode. Anyone know what has happened to him as he does not even appear anywhere that I can find on the Seagulls web site? Major Bloodboil
  • Score: 6

12:50pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

Beale32 wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
This is a kick in the nuts for the supporters. A Barnsley supporter I know told me this bloke is vastly overrated and at best average league one standard, talks a good game then gets found out hence has to keep moving from club to club, which sets the alarm bells ringing. However much we pay for him is too much. That's our season gone down the pan before a ball is kicked, the suits clearly have no regard for supporters hopes and dreams and are only interested in running the club on the tiniest budget they can get away with.
How about you judge him at after a few months. He scored 15 goals playing in a poor side. Maybe he will flourish within our team.
A Barnsley supporter he Knows, lol he doesn't know anyone from Brighton let alone Barnsley T**t Mayfield
[quote][p][bold]Beale32[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: This is a kick in the nuts for the supporters. A Barnsley supporter I know told me this bloke is vastly overrated and at best average league one standard, talks a good game then gets found out hence has to keep moving from club to club, which sets the alarm bells ringing. However much we pay for him is too much. That's our season gone down the pan before a ball is kicked, the suits clearly have no regard for supporters hopes and dreams and are only interested in running the club on the tiniest budget they can get away with.[/p][/quote]How about you judge him at after a few months. He scored 15 goals playing in a poor side. Maybe he will flourish within our team.[/p][/quote]A Barnsley supporter he Knows, lol he doesn't know anyone from Brighton let alone Barnsley T**t Mayfield Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: -1

1:02pm Fri 18 Jul 14

falmer seagull says...

We need to, hopefully, secure deals before Leo is let go, in order not to be caught out buying players with over inflated prices!
We need to, hopefully, secure deals before Leo is let go, in order not to be caught out buying players with over inflated prices! falmer seagull
  • Score: 2

1:08pm Fri 18 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Grossly unfair to compare O'Grady to Ulloa, in a sense of that we are buying one to replace the other. Had we bought this guy at the same time as we sold Barnes I feel sure that the comments on this forum would have been very different.

With Leo all but gone and O'Grady all but signed, we will be back to having just two strikers, does anyone really think that this is how things will stay? Yes Fenelon has shown an eye for goal in two friendlies but he aint no Ulloa and a couple of sunny days don't make a summer.

Even if Leo had stayed we would still have had a need for a O'Grady type of player, the departure of Ulloa didn't prompt this signing, the sale of Barnes, and or the release of Hoskins did that.
Once the Ulloa money hits the bank account Brighton have the option of spending 2 or 3 million buying another striker, or perhaps paying out 750K to 1M in wages for a year long loan deal. What ever way the club goes about it we still need another striker.
Grossly unfair to compare O'Grady to Ulloa, in a sense of that we are buying one to replace the other. Had we bought this guy at the same time as we sold Barnes I feel sure that the comments on this forum would have been very different. With Leo all but gone and O'Grady all but signed, we will be back to having just two strikers, does anyone really think that this is how things will stay? Yes Fenelon has shown an eye for goal in two friendlies but he aint no Ulloa and a couple of sunny days don't make a summer. Even if Leo had stayed we would still have had a need for a O'Grady type of player, the departure of Ulloa didn't prompt this signing, the sale of Barnes, and or the release of Hoskins did that. Once the Ulloa money hits the bank account Brighton have the option of spending 2 or 3 million buying another striker, or perhaps paying out 750K to 1M in wages for a year long loan deal. What ever way the club goes about it we still need another striker. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

1:09pm Fri 18 Jul 14

mark5 says...

dave from bexill wrote:
mark5 wrote:
Anthony 14 wrote:
I can't believe all the negative comments on O'Grady. We are all disappointed to see Ulloa go, but I was at Barnsley in April and O'Grady looked decent.

He caused real problems, won everything in the air and was strong and aggressive. He looked far more dangerous than Ulloa that day and more committed, so I think he will be a decent signing if we get him. He scored 15 league goals in a poor team which is impressive. I think he could be great for us.
Yes, so was I and agree with all you say. As the article states, he is not a replacement for Alloa, so I expect a bigger signing is on the way, given the pretty hefty sum that Leicester have lined our coffers with. This is excellent business from our point of view and the board have played this very well. Leicester are taking a big risk on Alloa in my opinion, so I have no issue with him moving on for the money received. O'Grady is a pretty decent back up/bench forward for us and £500,000 is a good buy! Things beginning to hot up now and am very confident that more is on the way, so all good. The lack of information is the "Albion Way" now and the best thing for all of us to do is to chill out and wait! UTA!
Alloa, I watched a game there once many years ago, against Cowdenbeath I think it was. But we know who you mean Mark
Ha, ha, ha the heat is beginning to affect my spelling!
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anthony 14[/bold] wrote: I can't believe all the negative comments on O'Grady. We are all disappointed to see Ulloa go, but I was at Barnsley in April and O'Grady looked decent. He caused real problems, won everything in the air and was strong and aggressive. He looked far more dangerous than Ulloa that day and more committed, so I think he will be a decent signing if we get him. He scored 15 league goals in a poor team which is impressive. I think he could be great for us.[/p][/quote]Yes, so was I and agree with all you say. As the article states, he is not a replacement for Alloa, so I expect a bigger signing is on the way, given the pretty hefty sum that Leicester have lined our coffers with. This is excellent business from our point of view and the board have played this very well. Leicester are taking a big risk on Alloa in my opinion, so I have no issue with him moving on for the money received. O'Grady is a pretty decent back up/bench forward for us and £500,000 is a good buy! Things beginning to hot up now and am very confident that more is on the way, so all good. The lack of information is the "Albion Way" now and the best thing for all of us to do is to chill out and wait! UTA![/p][/quote]Alloa, I watched a game there once many years ago, against Cowdenbeath I think it was. But we know who you mean Mark[/p][/quote]Ha, ha, ha the heat is beginning to affect my spelling! mark5
  • Score: 3

1:14pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Far gull says...

I don"t believe fans issues are with Leo going or O'grady coming in . For me and màny others including 7 000 odd or more new and floating supporters, it is all about perception and overall quality. We have gone from exciting buys such as Leo, Vicente,Bridge( ex England) Bruno(champions league player) spanish Dave etc to ex Half a dozen clubs ex Barnsley players. Sorry no slight on Barnsley or the player but not even close in terms of box office or giving players or fans a lift.
We are not the going forward club we were facilities aside and this is what we ,me included find frustrating.
I don"t believe fans issues are with Leo going or O'grady coming in . For me and màny others including 7 000 odd or more new and floating supporters, it is all about perception and overall quality. We have gone from exciting buys such as Leo, Vicente,Bridge( ex England) Bruno(champions league player) spanish Dave etc to ex Half a dozen clubs ex Barnsley players. Sorry no slight on Barnsley or the player but not even close in terms of box office or giving players or fans a lift. We are not the going forward club we were facilities aside and this is what we ,me included find frustrating. Far gull
  • Score: 7

1:28pm Fri 18 Jul 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Claude Back says...


Clean Sheet wrote:

the taffster wrote:
For Christ sake Burke and barber you haven't got a clue,have you? Did u watch the game against Barnsley at the amex? The best player on the park was paddy McCourt by a country mile....so we sign pog....
Would this be the same duo who signed Ulloa for £2 mil 18 months ago surely?Actually, that was down to Gus.

What a ridiculous comment. What players the club sign must be down to the chairman, the 'suits' he has hired and the manager. The idea that the manager just signs whatever player he fancies is absurd. Grow up for goodness sake.
Claude Back says... Clean Sheet wrote: the taffster wrote: For Christ sake Burke and barber you haven't got a clue,have you? Did u watch the game against Barnsley at the amex? The best player on the park was paddy McCourt by a country mile....so we sign pog.... Would this be the same duo who signed Ulloa for £2 mil 18 months ago surely?Actually, that was down to Gus. What a ridiculous comment. What players the club sign must be down to the chairman, the 'suits' he has hired and the manager. The idea that the manager just signs whatever player he fancies is absurd. Grow up for goodness sake. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: -2

1:30pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Gee Jay says...

A Barnsley supporter I know says ' Thar's got 'im reet cheap, This lad can mac summat owt o nowt'
A Barnsley supporter I know says ' Thar's got 'im reet cheap, This lad can mac summat owt o nowt' Gee Jay
  • Score: 6

1:40pm Fri 18 Jul 14

mrgull says...

I didn't expect my previous comments to go down well,but to reiterate my feeling on the subject,we should be looking to buy/loan quality new players.not players who will replace the likes of Hoskins...Barnes etc.but players that will improve our present squad to give us a fighting chance.
I hope I am proved wrong about O'Grady.But please suits try a bit harder
I didn't expect my previous comments to go down well,but to reiterate my feeling on the subject,we should be looking to buy/loan quality new players.not players who will replace the likes of Hoskins...Barnes etc.but players that will improve our present squad to give us a fighting chance. I hope I am proved wrong about O'Grady.But please suits try a bit harder mrgull
  • Score: 5

1:40pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Cliify0002 says...

mrgull wrote:
are they paying us .I can't see a journeyman with limited talent is the person for us.....just my opinion
To be honest no ambition no progress I'm cancelling my season ticket feeling really let down. The club sells a 7 mil asset buys a donkey I withdraw my support . Sad but no wonder managers left brand us all the team can jump.
[quote][p][bold]mrgull[/bold] wrote: are they paying us .I can't see a journeyman with limited talent is the person for us.....just my opinion[/p][/quote]To be honest no ambition no progress I'm cancelling my season ticket feeling really let down. The club sells a 7 mil asset buys a donkey I withdraw my support . Sad but no wonder managers left brand us all the team can jump. Cliify0002
  • Score: -9

1:40pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Cliify0002 says...

mrgull wrote:
are they paying us .I can't see a journeyman with limited talent is the person for us.....just my opinion
To be honest no ambition no progress I'm cancelling my season ticket feeling really let down. The club sells a 7 mil asset buys a donkey I withdraw my support . Sad but no wonder managers left brand us all the team can jump.
[quote][p][bold]mrgull[/bold] wrote: are they paying us .I can't see a journeyman with limited talent is the person for us.....just my opinion[/p][/quote]To be honest no ambition no progress I'm cancelling my season ticket feeling really let down. The club sells a 7 mil asset buys a donkey I withdraw my support . Sad but no wonder managers left brand us all the team can jump. Cliify0002
  • Score: -6

1:40pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Eddy B says...

Sad to see Ajayer (sic Sussex Radio) go but I reckon at £7m that is probably decent business. Let's hope the money is reinvested in some marquee signings before we end up like Blackpool.
Sad to see Ajayer (sic Sussex Radio) go but I reckon at £7m that is probably decent business. Let's hope the money is reinvested in some marquee signings before we end up like Blackpool. Eddy B
  • Score: 0

1:41pm Fri 18 Jul 14

DuncanThickett says...

Apparently we're one of a few clubs after Becchio. At least Leo's chant would live on, with the change of one word of course!
Apparently we're one of a few clubs after Becchio. At least Leo's chant would live on, with the change of one word of course! DuncanThickett
  • Score: 5

1:41pm Fri 18 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Far gull wrote:
I don"t believe fans issues are with Leo going or O'grady coming in . For me and màny others including 7 000 odd or more new and floating supporters, it is all about perception and overall quality. We have gone from exciting buys such as Leo, Vicente,Bridge( ex England) Bruno(champions league player) spanish Dave etc to ex Half a dozen clubs ex Barnsley players. Sorry no slight on Barnsley or the player but not even close in terms of box office or giving players or fans a lift.
We are not the going forward club we were facilities aside and this is what we ,me included find frustrating.
You are right in so much that we are not apparently now buying, 'names,' but neither are we spending on, 'names,' at a level that saw us lose millions in each of the first couple of years at the Amex, that spending level had to stop.

As of now it's going to have to be our results that draw people in to fill the seats and not a few big names. Leo wasn't a name when he arrived and one could argue that he has done more for the club than any of the, 'names,' have. There are still shirts to be filled within the squad and it is quite possible that one or two names will arrive, even if only on loan. I wouldn't care of I didn't know the name of any of our players if they have us safely in the top six, and challenging for top two, come Christmas.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: I don"t believe fans issues are with Leo going or O'grady coming in . For me and màny others including 7 000 odd or more new and floating supporters, it is all about perception and overall quality. We have gone from exciting buys such as Leo, Vicente,Bridge( ex England) Bruno(champions league player) spanish Dave etc to ex Half a dozen clubs ex Barnsley players. Sorry no slight on Barnsley or the player but not even close in terms of box office or giving players or fans a lift. We are not the going forward club we were facilities aside and this is what we ,me included find frustrating.[/p][/quote]You are right in so much that we are not apparently now buying, 'names,' but neither are we spending on, 'names,' at a level that saw us lose millions in each of the first couple of years at the Amex, that spending level had to stop. As of now it's going to have to be our results that draw people in to fill the seats and not a few big names. Leo wasn't a name when he arrived and one could argue that he has done more for the club than any of the, 'names,' have. There are still shirts to be filled within the squad and it is quite possible that one or two names will arrive, even if only on loan. I wouldn't care of I didn't know the name of any of our players if they have us safely in the top six, and challenging for top two, come Christmas. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

1:44pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

Far gull wrote:
I don"t believe fans issues are with Leo going or O'grady coming in . For me and màny others including 7 000 odd or more new and floating supporters, it is all about perception and overall quality. We have gone from exciting buys such as Leo, Vicente,Bridge( ex England) Bruno(champions league player) spanish Dave etc to ex Half a dozen clubs ex Barnsley players. Sorry no slight on Barnsley or the player but not even close in terms of box office or giving players or fans a lift.
We are not the going forward club we were facilities aside and this is what we ,me included find frustrating.
Agree 100% I think you have hit the nail on the head in terms of my feelings and almost certainly a lot of Other Brighton supporters.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: I don"t believe fans issues are with Leo going or O'grady coming in . For me and màny others including 7 000 odd or more new and floating supporters, it is all about perception and overall quality. We have gone from exciting buys such as Leo, Vicente,Bridge( ex England) Bruno(champions league player) spanish Dave etc to ex Half a dozen clubs ex Barnsley players. Sorry no slight on Barnsley or the player but not even close in terms of box office or giving players or fans a lift. We are not the going forward club we were facilities aside and this is what we ,me included find frustrating.[/p][/quote]Agree 100% I think you have hit the nail on the head in terms of my feelings and almost certainly a lot of Other Brighton supporters. Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: 7

1:45pm Fri 18 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

Clean Sheet wrote:
the taffster wrote:
For Christ sake Burke and barber you haven't got a clue,have you? Did u watch the game against Barnsley at the amex? The best player on the park was paddy McCourt by a country mile....so we sign pog....
Would this be the same duo who signed Ulloa for £2 mil 18 months ago surely?
Gus got him through the scout we just got rid of!
[quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: For Christ sake Burke and barber you haven't got a clue,have you? Did u watch the game against Barnsley at the amex? The best player on the park was paddy McCourt by a country mile....so we sign pog....[/p][/quote]Would this be the same duo who signed Ulloa for £2 mil 18 months ago surely?[/p][/quote]Gus got him through the scout we just got rid of! mark by the sea
  • Score: 7

1:48pm Fri 18 Jul 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

I wonder how long Sami has been looking at O'Grady?
I wonder how long Sami has been looking at O'Grady? WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 3

1:51pm Fri 18 Jul 14

DuncanThickett says...

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
Far gull wrote:
I don"t believe fans issues are with Leo going or O'grady coming in . For me and màny others including 7 000 odd or more new and floating supporters, it is all about perception and overall quality. We have gone from exciting buys such as Leo, Vicente,Bridge( ex England) Bruno(champions league player) spanish Dave etc to ex Half a dozen clubs ex Barnsley players. Sorry no slight on Barnsley or the player but not even close in terms of box office or giving players or fans a lift.
We are not the going forward club we were facilities aside and this is what we ,me included find frustrating.
Agree 100% I think you have hit the nail on the head in terms of my feelings and almost certainly a lot of Other Brighton supporters.
I don't disagree with your comments, but that said, come Aug 9th, I'll be at the Amex thinking we can win promotion and the FA Cup - but that is just the romantic optimist in me!
[quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: I don"t believe fans issues are with Leo going or O'grady coming in . For me and màny others including 7 000 odd or more new and floating supporters, it is all about perception and overall quality. We have gone from exciting buys such as Leo, Vicente,Bridge( ex England) Bruno(champions league player) spanish Dave etc to ex Half a dozen clubs ex Barnsley players. Sorry no slight on Barnsley or the player but not even close in terms of box office or giving players or fans a lift. We are not the going forward club we were facilities aside and this is what we ,me included find frustrating.[/p][/quote]Agree 100% I think you have hit the nail on the head in terms of my feelings and almost certainly a lot of Other Brighton supporters.[/p][/quote]I don't disagree with your comments, but that said, come Aug 9th, I'll be at the Amex thinking we can win promotion and the FA Cup - but that is just the romantic optimist in me! DuncanThickett
  • Score: 3

1:59pm Fri 18 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

The best thing that could happen now is for Leo to have a great season and help secure Leicester in the prem, I suspect that there is a clause in his sale contract that would see us get even more money if they stay up.
Two seasons of him scoring goals at the prem level would probabaly see a big club come for him for stupid money, and you can bet we have a sell on clause all tied up.
I wish him well and hope he proves to be all that Leicester think he is, that would be good for him and good for us.
The best thing that could happen now is for Leo to have a great season and help secure Leicester in the prem, I suspect that there is a clause in his sale contract that would see us get even more money if they stay up. Two seasons of him scoring goals at the prem level would probabaly see a big club come for him for stupid money, and you can bet we have a sell on clause all tied up. I wish him well and hope he proves to be all that Leicester think he is, that would be good for him and good for us. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

1:59pm Fri 18 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

DuncanThickett wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
Far gull wrote:
I don"t believe fans issues are with Leo going or O'grady coming in . For me and màny others including 7 000 odd or more new and floating supporters, it is all about perception and overall quality. We have gone from exciting buys such as Leo, Vicente,Bridge( ex England) Bruno(champions league player) spanish Dave etc to ex Half a dozen clubs ex Barnsley players. Sorry no slight on Barnsley or the player but not even close in terms of box office or giving players or fans a lift.
We are not the going forward club we were facilities aside and this is what we ,me included find frustrating.
Agree 100% I think you have hit the nail on the head in terms of my feelings and almost certainly a lot of Other Brighton supporters.
I don't disagree with your comments, but that said, come Aug 9th, I'll be at the Amex thinking we can win promotion and the FA Cup - but that is just the romantic optimist in me!
Sami has a job and a half ahead this season, I just hope we sign some real quality, we desperately need someone who can create , and someone who can deliver a decent cross, yes I know Buckley can, but he plays one in every 3 games.
[quote][p][bold]DuncanThickett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: I don"t believe fans issues are with Leo going or O'grady coming in . For me and màny others including 7 000 odd or more new and floating supporters, it is all about perception and overall quality. We have gone from exciting buys such as Leo, Vicente,Bridge( ex England) Bruno(champions league player) spanish Dave etc to ex Half a dozen clubs ex Barnsley players. Sorry no slight on Barnsley or the player but not even close in terms of box office or giving players or fans a lift. We are not the going forward club we were facilities aside and this is what we ,me included find frustrating.[/p][/quote]Agree 100% I think you have hit the nail on the head in terms of my feelings and almost certainly a lot of Other Brighton supporters.[/p][/quote]I don't disagree with your comments, but that said, come Aug 9th, I'll be at the Amex thinking we can win promotion and the FA Cup - but that is just the romantic optimist in me![/p][/quote]Sami has a job and a half ahead this season, I just hope we sign some real quality, we desperately need someone who can create , and someone who can deliver a decent cross, yes I know Buckley can, but he plays one in every 3 games. mark by the sea
  • Score: 8

2:08pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Cliify0002 wrote:
mrgull wrote:
are they paying us .I can't see a journeyman with limited talent is the person for us.....just my opinion
To be honest no ambition no progress I'm cancelling my season ticket feeling really let down. The club sells a 7 mil asset buys a donkey I withdraw my support . Sad but no wonder managers left brand us all the team can jump.
Can't believe some of the comments, especially this one.
Are you going to get your ST back if the club signs someone you approve of. We can only judge the team when we see how the players perform so give it some patience. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]Cliify0002[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrgull[/bold] wrote: are they paying us .I can't see a journeyman with limited talent is the person for us.....just my opinion[/p][/quote]To be honest no ambition no progress I'm cancelling my season ticket feeling really let down. The club sells a 7 mil asset buys a donkey I withdraw my support . Sad but no wonder managers left brand us all the team can jump.[/p][/quote]Can't believe some of the comments, especially this one. Are you going to get your ST back if the club signs someone you approve of. We can only judge the team when we see how the players perform so give it some patience. You never know, you might be pleasantly surprised. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 5

2:09pm Fri 18 Jul 14

dave from bexill says...

Far gull wrote:
I don"t believe fans issues are with Leo going or O'grady coming in . For me and màny others including 7 000 odd or more new and floating supporters, it is all about perception and overall quality. We have gone from exciting buys such as Leo, Vicente,Bridge( ex England) Bruno(champions league player) spanish Dave etc to ex Half a dozen clubs ex Barnsley players. Sorry no slight on Barnsley or the player but not even close in terms of box office or giving players or fans a lift.
We are not the going forward club we were facilities aside and this is what we ,me included find frustrating.
Interesting points, shared by many I would suggest. Hopefully this is the sort of dialogue supporters who attend the forthcoming forum at the Amex can have with the executive.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: I don"t believe fans issues are with Leo going or O'grady coming in . For me and màny others including 7 000 odd or more new and floating supporters, it is all about perception and overall quality. We have gone from exciting buys such as Leo, Vicente,Bridge( ex England) Bruno(champions league player) spanish Dave etc to ex Half a dozen clubs ex Barnsley players. Sorry no slight on Barnsley or the player but not even close in terms of box office or giving players or fans a lift. We are not the going forward club we were facilities aside and this is what we ,me included find frustrating.[/p][/quote]Interesting points, shared by many I would suggest. Hopefully this is the sort of dialogue supporters who attend the forthcoming forum at the Amex can have with the executive. dave from bexill
  • Score: 8

2:35pm Fri 18 Jul 14

ringtone says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Far gull wrote:
I don"t believe fans issues are with Leo going or O'grady coming in . For me and màny others including 7 000 odd or more new and floating supporters, it is all about perception and overall quality. We have gone from exciting buys such as Leo, Vicente,Bridge( ex England) Bruno(champions league player) spanish Dave etc to ex Half a dozen clubs ex Barnsley players. Sorry no slight on Barnsley or the player but not even close in terms of box office or giving players or fans a lift.
We are not the going forward club we were facilities aside and this is what we ,me included find frustrating.
Interesting points, shared by many I would suggest. Hopefully this is the sort of dialogue supporters who attend the forthcoming forum at the Amex can have with the executive.
Barber is in for a hard ride.

At least Vegas wont be there asking Barber questions like how do you relax?
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: I don"t believe fans issues are with Leo going or O'grady coming in . For me and màny others including 7 000 odd or more new and floating supporters, it is all about perception and overall quality. We have gone from exciting buys such as Leo, Vicente,Bridge( ex England) Bruno(champions league player) spanish Dave etc to ex Half a dozen clubs ex Barnsley players. Sorry no slight on Barnsley or the player but not even close in terms of box office or giving players or fans a lift. We are not the going forward club we were facilities aside and this is what we ,me included find frustrating.[/p][/quote]Interesting points, shared by many I would suggest. Hopefully this is the sort of dialogue supporters who attend the forthcoming forum at the Amex can have with the executive.[/p][/quote]Barber is in for a hard ride. At least Vegas wont be there asking Barber questions like how do you relax? ringtone
  • Score: 10

2:47pm Fri 18 Jul 14

joedh93 says...

Good signing, not going to be our star man but definitely adds depth to the squad. And who knows, perhaps our star man for this season might be Macca? He has been looking hungry and will be keen to prove he hasn't lost his ability after such a long layoff through injury. Now we need a quality attacking midfielder to replace Orlandi, and with the money from Ulloa we should be able to afford someone even better! Exciting times.
Good signing, not going to be our star man but definitely adds depth to the squad. And who knows, perhaps our star man for this season might be Macca? He has been looking hungry and will be keen to prove he hasn't lost his ability after such a long layoff through injury. Now we need a quality attacking midfielder to replace Orlandi, and with the money from Ulloa we should be able to afford someone even better! Exciting times. joedh93
  • Score: 6

2:48pm Fri 18 Jul 14

college says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
This is a kick in the nuts for the supporters. A Barnsley supporter I know told me this bloke is vastly overrated and at best average league one standard, talks a good game then gets found out hence has to keep moving from club to club, which sets the alarm bells ringing. However much we pay for him is too much. That's our season gone down the pan before a ball is kicked, the suits clearly have no regard for supporters hopes and dreams and are only interested in running the club on the tiniest budget they can get away with.
Surprised you know anyone outside the care home. the supporters up there seem to think he's a decent player and will be missed, unhappy he's going.
Obviously as you appear to have multiple identity's you've listened to all the voices in your head and come up with yet another trite 'opinion'.
Not quite sure which team you support, if indeed any, but I'm fairly sure it's not ours. On a personal note I have to admit I'm still a little unsure about some of B&Bs dealings but as a 55 year long supporter (rain and shine) I'm not complaining about the progress we've made both on and off the field, O'Grady is just another piece in the seasons jigsaw, and despite the financial muscle we have to compete against I'm confident in another good season, I say good because we're not ready for the Premiership yet, but we will soon - until then UTA (and up your's MS and all your other names).
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: This is a kick in the nuts for the supporters. A Barnsley supporter I know told me this bloke is vastly overrated and at best average league one standard, talks a good game then gets found out hence has to keep moving from club to club, which sets the alarm bells ringing. However much we pay for him is too much. That's our season gone down the pan before a ball is kicked, the suits clearly have no regard for supporters hopes and dreams and are only interested in running the club on the tiniest budget they can get away with.[/p][/quote]Surprised you know anyone outside the care home. the supporters up there seem to think he's a decent player and will be missed, unhappy he's going. Obviously as you appear to have multiple identity's you've listened to all the voices in your head and come up with yet another trite 'opinion'. Not quite sure which team you support, if indeed any, but I'm fairly sure it's not ours. On a personal note I have to admit I'm still a little unsure about some of B&Bs dealings but as a 55 year long supporter (rain and shine) I'm not complaining about the progress we've made both on and off the field, O'Grady is just another piece in the seasons jigsaw, and despite the financial muscle we have to compete against I'm confident in another good season, I say good because we're not ready for the Premiership yet, but we will soon - until then UTA (and up your's MS and all your other names). college
  • Score: 1

2:48pm Fri 18 Jul 14

mikeygit says...

No one can deny anyone else their opinion and we should all respect that, HOWEVER--- many have shot O´Grady down in flames before he has even kicked a ball for us. Is that REALLY fair?? Yes it would be very good to get a Big Name player---and who is to say we will not?? Let us judge the player by results--if he does sign for us , and plays well then it will have been a good signing --otherwise the Boo Boys will be out at the Amex from day one. If he does not measure up then that is the time to express our displeasure!! ANY player who is signed as BHA player has to be made welcome otherwise he is going to get off on the wrong foot. As they say, do not judge a book by its cover---some may end up eating their words if he scores a hatful of goals.
No one can deny anyone else their opinion and we should all respect that, HOWEVER--- many have shot O´Grady down in flames before he has even kicked a ball for us. Is that REALLY fair?? Yes it would be very good to get a Big Name player---and who is to say we will not?? Let us judge the player by results--if he does sign for us , and plays well then it will have been a good signing --otherwise the Boo Boys will be out at the Amex from day one. If he does not measure up then that is the time to express our displeasure!! ANY player who is signed as BHA player has to be made welcome otherwise he is going to get off on the wrong foot. As they say, do not judge a book by its cover---some may end up eating their words if he scores a hatful of goals. mikeygit
  • Score: 5

2:51pm Fri 18 Jul 14

bruce beckett says...

Cockwomble...after many aliases, you've finally found a sign-in that fits your personality like a glove.
Cockwomble...after many aliases, you've finally found a sign-in that fits your personality like a glove. bruce beckett
  • Score: -7

2:53pm Fri 18 Jul 14

joedh93 says...

Eddy B wrote:
Sad to see Ajayer (sic Sussex Radio) go but I reckon at £7m that is probably decent business. Let's hope the money is reinvested in some marquee signings before we end up like Blackpool.
At one point it was "o'Zayer" for quite a while...
[quote][p][bold]Eddy B[/bold] wrote: Sad to see Ajayer (sic Sussex Radio) go but I reckon at £7m that is probably decent business. Let's hope the money is reinvested in some marquee signings before we end up like Blackpool.[/p][/quote]At one point it was "o'Zayer" for quite a while... joedh93
  • Score: 3

2:56pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
I wonder how long Sami has been looking at O'Grady?
Oohh.., minutes!
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: I wonder how long Sami has been looking at O'Grady?[/p][/quote]Oohh.., minutes! Willie, Willie Irvine
  • Score: 2

2:58pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

bruce beckett wrote:
Cockwomble...after many aliases, you've finally found a sign-in that fits your personality like a glove.
all i did was ask if you lived in ny.too hard?i knew a seagull fan journo with that name in ny.ive always assumed that was you.apols.cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Cockwomble...after many aliases, you've finally found a sign-in that fits your personality like a glove.[/p][/quote]all i did was ask if you lived in ny.too hard?i knew a seagull fan journo with that name in ny.ive always assumed that was you.apols.cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 4

3:10pm Fri 18 Jul 14

brianw52 says...

Claude Back wrote:
Major Bloodboil wrote:
It is impossible to gauge what the team is going to be like this coming season until the transfer dealings have been concluded. Granted that the additions thus far have not set the heart a-beating, but it is still too early to make a reasoned judgment.

Although I am a little sorry to see Ulloa go as he has a good goals to game ratio, to me he was a frustrating player as he was always falling over or moaning to the referee and he was not the swiftest of forwards. Therefore to sell him for £7M must be great business especially if we can get Becchio as a replacement. If this happens then I reckon that we will have got the better of the two deals.

I just hope that we play more attacking football this coming season than we did last season which was truly boring for the most part. I have a feeling that CMS will have a great season. It all depends if we can if we play to his skills. I reckon we will.
I agree, Major. I think Becchio and CMS would be a great combo as Becchio is much faster than Leo. Only trouble is that Watford and Leeds are also after him and Leeds need a McCormack replacement so it might push the price up a bit. I hope Becchio won't want to go back there.
A front three of CMS, Becchio and a really fit Buckley would be great with Ward/Chicksen and Bruno/Calde crossing from the wings, don't you think?
Who is this "really fit Buckley"?? Maybe we should sign him?
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Major Bloodboil[/bold] wrote: It is impossible to gauge what the team is going to be like this coming season until the transfer dealings have been concluded. Granted that the additions thus far have not set the heart a-beating, but it is still too early to make a reasoned judgment. Although I am a little sorry to see Ulloa go as he has a good goals to game ratio, to me he was a frustrating player as he was always falling over or moaning to the referee and he was not the swiftest of forwards. Therefore to sell him for £7M must be great business especially if we can get Becchio as a replacement. If this happens then I reckon that we will have got the better of the two deals. I just hope that we play more attacking football this coming season than we did last season which was truly boring for the most part. I have a feeling that CMS will have a great season. It all depends if we can if we play to his skills. I reckon we will.[/p][/quote]I agree, Major. I think Becchio and CMS would be a great combo as Becchio is much faster than Leo. Only trouble is that Watford and Leeds are also after him and Leeds need a McCormack replacement so it might push the price up a bit. I hope Becchio won't want to go back there. A front three of CMS, Becchio and a really fit Buckley would be great with Ward/Chicksen and Bruno/Calde crossing from the wings, don't you think?[/p][/quote]Who is this "really fit Buckley"?? Maybe we should sign him? brianw52
  • Score: 5

3:16pm Fri 18 Jul 14

tug509 says...

According to some lads on the Charlton site ,they were interested in him ,he apparently told them he was after £15,000 a week and they offered him £5,000 ,at which he supposedly told them he didn`t want to move down south ,I hope were not paying that much ? ,all very strange !.
According to some lads on the Charlton site ,they were interested in him ,he apparently told them he was after £15,000 a week and they offered him £5,000 ,at which he supposedly told them he didn`t want to move down south ,I hope were not paying that much ? ,all very strange !. tug509
  • Score: 1

3:29pm Fri 18 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Far gull wrote:
I don"t believe fans issues are with Leo going or O'grady coming in . For me and màny others including 7 000 odd or more new and floating supporters, it is all about perception and overall quality. We have gone from exciting buys such as Leo, Vicente,Bridge( ex England) Bruno(champions league player) spanish Dave etc to ex Half a dozen clubs ex Barnsley players. Sorry no slight on Barnsley or the player but not even close in terms of box office or giving players or fans a lift.
We are not the going forward club we were facilities aside and this is what we ,me included find frustrating.
Interesting points, shared by many I would suggest. Hopefully this is the sort of dialogue supporters who attend the forthcoming forum at the Amex can have with the executive.
By the time this question and answer show happens things will look very different, IMHO.

It's true to say that Brighton have made two big sales, Bridcutt and Leo, and big money, (by Champ Div standards) did flow into the club, but we haven't missed Bridders, Ince has taken his chance and we now have Toko. Leo is all but gone, we had no chance of keeping him from the day that prem football was on offer, I don't see how the execs could have handled this better. If we bring in a striker of note to replace Leo, which I think we will, I think the questions that might arise from Leo's sale will be somewhat mute.

If we forget all about the FFP rules and just look at Brighton as a business, cutting losses of millions each year is nothing more than be sensible. Having a pay and transfer structure is surely part and parcel of good housekeeping.

Rather than ask questions as they pertain to this season, I owuld ask direct question related to the last one. Why didn't we replace El-Abd, why didn't we replace Barnes, was there a clause in Lingard's loan deal that required us to start him in all matches? What was the thinking behind letting Orlandi and were talks held with TK prior to releasing him. By getting the answers to what some see as the msitakes of last season, might give us more insight as to how this coming season will be handled.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: I don"t believe fans issues are with Leo going or O'grady coming in . For me and màny others including 7 000 odd or more new and floating supporters, it is all about perception and overall quality. We have gone from exciting buys such as Leo, Vicente,Bridge( ex England) Bruno(champions league player) spanish Dave etc to ex Half a dozen clubs ex Barnsley players. Sorry no slight on Barnsley or the player but not even close in terms of box office or giving players or fans a lift. We are not the going forward club we were facilities aside and this is what we ,me included find frustrating.[/p][/quote]Interesting points, shared by many I would suggest. Hopefully this is the sort of dialogue supporters who attend the forthcoming forum at the Amex can have with the executive.[/p][/quote]By the time this question and answer show happens things will look very different, IMHO. It's true to say that Brighton have made two big sales, Bridcutt and Leo, and big money, (by Champ Div standards) did flow into the club, but we haven't missed Bridders, Ince has taken his chance and we now have Toko. Leo is all but gone, we had no chance of keeping him from the day that prem football was on offer, I don't see how the execs could have handled this better. If we bring in a striker of note to replace Leo, which I think we will, I think the questions that might arise from Leo's sale will be somewhat mute. If we forget all about the FFP rules and just look at Brighton as a business, cutting losses of millions each year is nothing more than be sensible. Having a pay and transfer structure is surely part and parcel of good housekeeping. Rather than ask questions as they pertain to this season, I owuld ask direct question related to the last one. Why didn't we replace El-Abd, why didn't we replace Barnes, was there a clause in Lingard's loan deal that required us to start him in all matches? What was the thinking behind letting Orlandi and were talks held with TK prior to releasing him. By getting the answers to what some see as the msitakes of last season, might give us more insight as to how this coming season will be handled. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 8

3:36pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

college wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
This is a kick in the nuts for the supporters. A Barnsley supporter I know told me this bloke is vastly overrated and at best average league one standard, talks a good game then gets found out hence has to keep moving from club to club, which sets the alarm bells ringing. However much we pay for him is too much. That's our season gone down the pan before a ball is kicked, the suits clearly have no regard for supporters hopes and dreams and are only interested in running the club on the tiniest budget they can get away with.
Surprised you know anyone outside the care home. the supporters up there seem to think he's a decent player and will be missed, unhappy he's going.
Obviously as you appear to have multiple identity's you've listened to all the voices in your head and come up with yet another trite 'opinion'.
Not quite sure which team you support, if indeed any, but I'm fairly sure it's not ours. On a personal note I have to admit I'm still a little unsure about some of B&Bs dealings but as a 55 year long supporter (rain and shine) I'm not complaining about the progress we've made both on and off the field, O'Grady is just another piece in the seasons jigsaw, and despite the financial muscle we have to compete against I'm confident in another good season, I say good because we're not ready for the Premiership yet, but we will soon - until then UTA (and up your's MS and all your other names).
Well when we miss out on promotion yet again, or worse are embroiled in a relegation battle or are relegated, don't say you weren't warned.
[quote][p][bold]college[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: This is a kick in the nuts for the supporters. A Barnsley supporter I know told me this bloke is vastly overrated and at best average league one standard, talks a good game then gets found out hence has to keep moving from club to club, which sets the alarm bells ringing. However much we pay for him is too much. That's our season gone down the pan before a ball is kicked, the suits clearly have no regard for supporters hopes and dreams and are only interested in running the club on the tiniest budget they can get away with.[/p][/quote]Surprised you know anyone outside the care home. the supporters up there seem to think he's a decent player and will be missed, unhappy he's going. Obviously as you appear to have multiple identity's you've listened to all the voices in your head and come up with yet another trite 'opinion'. Not quite sure which team you support, if indeed any, but I'm fairly sure it's not ours. On a personal note I have to admit I'm still a little unsure about some of B&Bs dealings but as a 55 year long supporter (rain and shine) I'm not complaining about the progress we've made both on and off the field, O'Grady is just another piece in the seasons jigsaw, and despite the financial muscle we have to compete against I'm confident in another good season, I say good because we're not ready for the Premiership yet, but we will soon - until then UTA (and up your's MS and all your other names).[/p][/quote]Well when we miss out on promotion yet again, or worse are embroiled in a relegation battle or are relegated, don't say you weren't warned. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -1

4:08pm Fri 18 Jul 14

albionbloke says...

Welcome to BHA Chris. Personally, I'll support anyone that puts on the stripes and is one of the 11 players that make up our team on game day. I just hope you don't get to read the rubbish that many half-wits post on this site.
Welcome to BHA Chris. Personally, I'll support anyone that puts on the stripes and is one of the 11 players that make up our team on game day. I just hope you don't get to read the rubbish that many half-wits post on this site. albionbloke
  • Score: 15

4:22pm Fri 18 Jul 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

@Vegas
If we forget all about the FFP rules and just look at Brighton as a business, cutting losses of millions each year is nothing more than be sensible. Having a pay and transfer structure is surely part and parcel of good housekeeping.

Can you tell me the amount of losses we cut ?

Last figures i read show Albion going deeper in the red.
@Vegas If we forget all about the FFP rules and just look at Brighton as a business, cutting losses of millions each year is nothing more than be sensible. Having a pay and transfer structure is surely part and parcel of good housekeeping. Can you tell me the amount of losses we cut ? Last figures i read show Albion going deeper in the red. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -1

4:45pm Fri 18 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
@Vegas
If we forget all about the FFP rules and just look at Brighton as a business, cutting losses of millions each year is nothing more than be sensible. Having a pay and transfer structure is surely part and parcel of good housekeeping.

Can you tell me the amount of losses we cut ?

Last figures i read show Albion going deeper in the red.
Taking your last sentence it goes to underline my point, does it not, but my next paragraph questions your assertion that we are losing more money than we have in past years.

In the interview that Barber gave last season, the one where he answered fans questions, he made it very clear that we would be FFP compliant for the season just past, ergo we cut our losses, and cutting losses is sensible even if those cuts were forced upon us.
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: @Vegas If we forget all about the FFP rules and just look at Brighton as a business, cutting losses of millions each year is nothing more than be sensible. Having a pay and transfer structure is surely part and parcel of good housekeeping. Can you tell me the amount of losses we cut ? Last figures i read show Albion going deeper in the red.[/p][/quote]Taking your last sentence it goes to underline my point, does it not, but my next paragraph questions your assertion that we are losing more money than we have in past years. In the interview that Barber gave last season, the one where he answered fans questions, he made it very clear that we would be FFP compliant for the season just past, ergo we cut our losses, and cutting losses is sensible even if those cuts were forced upon us. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

5:01pm Fri 18 Jul 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Has anyone seen/heard a post match/post tour interview from Sami Hyypia anywhere?
Has anyone seen/heard a post match/post tour interview from Sami Hyypia anywhere? WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 0

5:11pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Neville says...

Part of the problem currently is that season ticket sales are down by around 4000 sales compared to last season.
Part of the problem currently is that season ticket sales are down by around 4000 sales compared to last season. Neville
  • Score: -8

5:24pm Fri 18 Jul 14

gordongull says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
@Vegas
If we forget all about the FFP rules and just look at Brighton as a business, cutting losses of millions each year is nothing more than be sensible. Having a pay and transfer structure is surely part and parcel of good housekeeping.

Can you tell me the amount of losses we cut ?

Last figures i read show Albion going deeper in the red.
Losses posted for 2012-2013 - £14.7m
Losses estimated for 2013-2014 - £8m. (Not released yet, but In February, Paul Barber confirmed that the Club was on course to meet its FFP target.)
These figures suggest that all the cost-cutting is having the desired effect, and we are closing the gap to balancing the books.
Which figures did you read, don't Wanna, which show Albion going deeper in the red?
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: @Vegas If we forget all about the FFP rules and just look at Brighton as a business, cutting losses of millions each year is nothing more than be sensible. Having a pay and transfer structure is surely part and parcel of good housekeeping. Can you tell me the amount of losses we cut ? Last figures i read show Albion going deeper in the red.[/p][/quote]Losses posted for 2012-2013 - £14.7m Losses estimated for 2013-2014 - £8m. (Not released yet, but In February, Paul Barber confirmed that the Club was on course to meet its FFP target.) These figures suggest that all the cost-cutting is having the desired effect, and we are closing the gap to balancing the books. Which figures did you read, don't Wanna, which show Albion going deeper in the red? gordongull
  • Score: 2

5:29pm Fri 18 Jul 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
@Vegas
If we forget all about the FFP rules and just look at Brighton as a business, cutting losses of millions each year is nothing more than be sensible. Having a pay and transfer structure is surely part and parcel of good housekeeping.

Can you tell me the amount of losses we cut ?

Last figures i read show Albion going deeper in the red.
Taking your last sentence it goes to underline my point, does it not, but my next paragraph questions your assertion that we are losing more money than we have in past years.

In the interview that Barber gave last season, the one where he answered fans questions, he made it very clear that we would be FFP compliant for the season just past, ergo we cut our losses, and cutting losses is sensible even if those cuts were forced upon us.
The only way we will be compliant is that Mr Bloom opens his wallet again.

http://companycheck.
co.uk/company/000810
77/BRIGHTON-AND-HOVE
-ALBION-FOOTBALL-CLU
BLIMITEDTHE/financia
l-accounts#financial
s

Cuts were not forced upon us Albion said we will try and play to the rules. Others seem to take the urine.

I know its off the thread have you read this.

http://www.theargus.
co.uk/news/11349548.
Football_brothers_si
gned_by_the_Addicks/
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: @Vegas If we forget all about the FFP rules and just look at Brighton as a business, cutting losses of millions each year is nothing more than be sensible. Having a pay and transfer structure is surely part and parcel of good housekeeping. Can you tell me the amount of losses we cut ? Last figures i read show Albion going deeper in the red.[/p][/quote]Taking your last sentence it goes to underline my point, does it not, but my next paragraph questions your assertion that we are losing more money than we have in past years. In the interview that Barber gave last season, the one where he answered fans questions, he made it very clear that we would be FFP compliant for the season just past, ergo we cut our losses, and cutting losses is sensible even if those cuts were forced upon us.[/p][/quote]The only way we will be compliant is that Mr Bloom opens his wallet again. http://companycheck. co.uk/company/000810 77/BRIGHTON-AND-HOVE -ALBION-FOOTBALL-CLU BLIMITEDTHE/financia l-accounts#financial s Cuts were not forced upon us Albion said we will try and play to the rules. Others seem to take the urine. I know its off the thread have you read this. http://www.theargus. co.uk/news/11349548. Football_brothers_si gned_by_the_Addicks/ don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -1

5:39pm Fri 18 Jul 14

gordongull says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
@Vegas
If we forget all about the FFP rules and just look at Brighton as a business, cutting losses of millions each year is nothing more than be sensible. Having a pay and transfer structure is surely part and parcel of good housekeeping.

Can you tell me the amount of losses we cut ?

Last figures i read show Albion going deeper in the red.
Taking your last sentence it goes to underline my point, does it not, but my next paragraph questions your assertion that we are losing more money than we have in past years.

In the interview that Barber gave last season, the one where he answered fans questions, he made it very clear that we would be FFP compliant for the season just past, ergo we cut our losses, and cutting losses is sensible even if those cuts were forced upon us.
The only way we will be compliant is that Mr Bloom opens his wallet again.

http://companycheck.

co.uk/company/000810

77/BRIGHTON-AND-HOVE

-ALBION-FOOTBALL-CLU

BLIMITEDTHE/financia

l-accounts#financial

s

Cuts were not forced upon us Albion said we will try and play to the rules. Others seem to take the urine.

I know its off the thread have you read this.

http://www.theargus.

co.uk/news/11349548.

Football_brothers_si

gned_by_the_Addicks/
Those are figures for previous years.
What about the 2013-2014 figures?
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: @Vegas If we forget all about the FFP rules and just look at Brighton as a business, cutting losses of millions each year is nothing more than be sensible. Having a pay and transfer structure is surely part and parcel of good housekeeping. Can you tell me the amount of losses we cut ? Last figures i read show Albion going deeper in the red.[/p][/quote]Taking your last sentence it goes to underline my point, does it not, but my next paragraph questions your assertion that we are losing more money than we have in past years. In the interview that Barber gave last season, the one where he answered fans questions, he made it very clear that we would be FFP compliant for the season just past, ergo we cut our losses, and cutting losses is sensible even if those cuts were forced upon us.[/p][/quote]The only way we will be compliant is that Mr Bloom opens his wallet again. http://companycheck. co.uk/company/000810 77/BRIGHTON-AND-HOVE -ALBION-FOOTBALL-CLU BLIMITEDTHE/financia l-accounts#financial s Cuts were not forced upon us Albion said we will try and play to the rules. Others seem to take the urine. I know its off the thread have you read this. http://www.theargus. co.uk/news/11349548. Football_brothers_si gned_by_the_Addicks/[/p][/quote]Those are figures for previous years. What about the 2013-2014 figures? gordongull
  • Score: 0

5:43pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Neville says...

Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.
Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope. Neville
  • Score: -12

5:48pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Neville wrote:
Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.
And we were predicted to finish 10th last season, if my memory serves. We're never going to be as fancied as the teams on parachute payments... but I don't doubt we will punch above our weight again and finish higher than several teams who have spent perhaps more unwisely. There is still time to being in more faces and now we've (probably) sold the magnificent Ulloa I wouldn't be surprised to see a £1-2m striker amongst them.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.[/p][/quote]And we were predicted to finish 10th last season, if my memory serves. We're never going to be as fancied as the teams on parachute payments... but I don't doubt we will punch above our weight again and finish higher than several teams who have spent perhaps more unwisely. There is still time to being in more faces and now we've (probably) sold the magnificent Ulloa I wouldn't be surprised to see a £1-2m striker amongst them. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

5:53pm Fri 18 Jul 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

gordongull wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
@Vegas
If we forget all about the FFP rules and just look at Brighton as a business, cutting losses of millions each year is nothing more than be sensible. Having a pay and transfer structure is surely part and parcel of good housekeeping.

Can you tell me the amount of losses we cut ?

Last figures i read show Albion going deeper in the red.
Taking your last sentence it goes to underline my point, does it not, but my next paragraph questions your assertion that we are losing more money than we have in past years.

In the interview that Barber gave last season, the one where he answered fans questions, he made it very clear that we would be FFP compliant for the season just past, ergo we cut our losses, and cutting losses is sensible even if those cuts were forced upon us.
The only way we will be compliant is that Mr Bloom opens his wallet again.

http://companycheck.


co.uk/company/000810


77/BRIGHTON-AND-HOVE


-ALBION-FOOTBALL-CLU


BLIMITEDTHE/financia


l-accounts#financial


s

Cuts were not forced upon us Albion said we will try and play to the rules. Others seem to take the urine.

I know its off the thread have you read this.

http://www.theargus.


co.uk/news/11349548.


Football_brothers_si


gned_by_the_Addicks/
Those are figures for previous years.
What about the 2013-2014 figures?
You have to pay not giving that freebie look at the site.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: @Vegas If we forget all about the FFP rules and just look at Brighton as a business, cutting losses of millions each year is nothing more than be sensible. Having a pay and transfer structure is surely part and parcel of good housekeeping. Can you tell me the amount of losses we cut ? Last figures i read show Albion going deeper in the red.[/p][/quote]Taking your last sentence it goes to underline my point, does it not, but my next paragraph questions your assertion that we are losing more money than we have in past years. In the interview that Barber gave last season, the one where he answered fans questions, he made it very clear that we would be FFP compliant for the season just past, ergo we cut our losses, and cutting losses is sensible even if those cuts were forced upon us.[/p][/quote]The only way we will be compliant is that Mr Bloom opens his wallet again. http://companycheck. co.uk/company/000810 77/BRIGHTON-AND-HOVE -ALBION-FOOTBALL-CLU BLIMITEDTHE/financia l-accounts#financial s Cuts were not forced upon us Albion said we will try and play to the rules. Others seem to take the urine. I know its off the thread have you read this. http://www.theargus. co.uk/news/11349548. Football_brothers_si gned_by_the_Addicks/[/p][/quote]Those are figures for previous years. What about the 2013-2014 figures?[/p][/quote]You have to pay not giving that freebie look at the site. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 0

5:58pm Fri 18 Jul 14

gordongull says...

Neville wrote:
Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.
There are ten clubs receiving parachute money, so that puts us top of the non-parachute league.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.[/p][/quote]There are ten clubs receiving parachute money, so that puts us top of the non-parachute league. gordongull
  • Score: 5

6:02pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Claude Back says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Claude Back says...


Clean Sheet wrote:

the taffster wrote:
For Christ sake Burke and barber you haven't got a clue,have you? Did u watch the game against Barnsley at the amex? The best player on the park was paddy McCourt by a country mile....so we sign pog....
Would this be the same duo who signed Ulloa for £2 mil 18 months ago surely?Actually, that was down to Gus.

What a ridiculous comment. What players the club sign must be down to the chairman, the 'suits' he has hired and the manager. The idea that the manager just signs whatever player he fancies is absurd. Grow up for goodness sake.
Oooh, B rian, why so bitchy? I was simply stating that it was Gus' initiative that brought Ulloa here and that can be confirmed by others. Gus found him through his contacts. Of course T.B. was involved and maybe B & B but why state the obvious?
I did think of a more cutting and insulting reply to respond to your constant rudeness to me but I decided not to. I forgive you. After all, it's not nice to mock the afflicted and clearly you have trouble understanding things. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Claude Back says... Clean Sheet wrote: the taffster wrote: For Christ sake Burke and barber you haven't got a clue,have you? Did u watch the game against Barnsley at the amex? The best player on the park was paddy McCourt by a country mile....so we sign pog.... Would this be the same duo who signed Ulloa for £2 mil 18 months ago surely?Actually, that was down to Gus. What a ridiculous comment. What players the club sign must be down to the chairman, the 'suits' he has hired and the manager. The idea that the manager just signs whatever player he fancies is absurd. Grow up for goodness sake.[/p][/quote]Oooh, B rian, why so bitchy? I was simply stating that it was Gus' initiative that brought Ulloa here and that can be confirmed by others. Gus found him through his contacts. Of course T.B. was involved and maybe B & B but why state the obvious? I did think of a more cutting and insulting reply to respond to your constant rudeness to me but I decided not to. I forgive you. After all, it's not nice to mock the afflicted and clearly you have trouble understanding things. ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: 6

6:03pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Grummitt says...

Major Bloodboil wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
Major Bloodboil wrote:
It is impossible to gauge what the team is going to be like this coming season until the transfer dealings have been concluded. Granted that the additions thus far have not set the heart a-beating, but it is still too early to make a reasoned judgment.

Although I am a little sorry to see Ulloa go as he has a good goals to game ratio, to me he was a frustrating player as he was always falling over or moaning to the referee and he was not the swiftest of forwards. Therefore to sell him for £7M must be great business especially if we can get Becchio as a replacement. If this happens then I reckon that we will have got the better of the two deals.

I just hope that we play more attacking football this coming season than we did last season which was truly boring for the most part. I have a feeling that CMS will have a great season. It all depends if we can if we play to his skills. I reckon we will.
I agree, Major. I think Becchio and CMS would be a great combo as Becchio is much faster than Leo. Only trouble is that Watford and Leeds are also after him and Leeds need a McCormack replacement so it might push the price up a bit. I hope Becchio won't want to go back there.
A front three of CMS, Becchio and a really fit Buckley would be great with Ward/Chicksen and Bruno/Calde crossing from the wings, don't you think?
An attack like that one would certainly get the pulses racing CB. Here's hoping. To attack at a fast pace with swift forwards, that is what I would like to see and think we may see it.

I hope that Chicksen can make the grade as his pace is electric and would assist us getting up the pitch quickly on the counter attack.

One thing that is a bit disappointing is that Jeffrey Monakana hasn't been involved in the pre-season games. I liked the look of him as he was another pacey player in the KLL mode. Anyone know what has happened to him as he does not even appear anywhere that I can find on the Seagulls web site?
Major, he went to Spain on the tour but only played with the DS guys. Got a good write up for the game they played against Cartagena, so he is still around but not pushing for a first team squad place as yet.
[quote][p][bold]Major Bloodboil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Major Bloodboil[/bold] wrote: It is impossible to gauge what the team is going to be like this coming season until the transfer dealings have been concluded. Granted that the additions thus far have not set the heart a-beating, but it is still too early to make a reasoned judgment. Although I am a little sorry to see Ulloa go as he has a good goals to game ratio, to me he was a frustrating player as he was always falling over or moaning to the referee and he was not the swiftest of forwards. Therefore to sell him for £7M must be great business especially if we can get Becchio as a replacement. If this happens then I reckon that we will have got the better of the two deals. I just hope that we play more attacking football this coming season than we did last season which was truly boring for the most part. I have a feeling that CMS will have a great season. It all depends if we can if we play to his skills. I reckon we will.[/p][/quote]I agree, Major. I think Becchio and CMS would be a great combo as Becchio is much faster than Leo. Only trouble is that Watford and Leeds are also after him and Leeds need a McCormack replacement so it might push the price up a bit. I hope Becchio won't want to go back there. A front three of CMS, Becchio and a really fit Buckley would be great with Ward/Chicksen and Bruno/Calde crossing from the wings, don't you think?[/p][/quote]An attack like that one would certainly get the pulses racing CB. Here's hoping. To attack at a fast pace with swift forwards, that is what I would like to see and think we may see it. I hope that Chicksen can make the grade as his pace is electric and would assist us getting up the pitch quickly on the counter attack. One thing that is a bit disappointing is that Jeffrey Monakana hasn't been involved in the pre-season games. I liked the look of him as he was another pacey player in the KLL mode. Anyone know what has happened to him as he does not even appear anywhere that I can find on the Seagulls web site?[/p][/quote]Major, he went to Spain on the tour but only played with the DS guys. Got a good write up for the game they played against Cartagena, so he is still around but not pushing for a first team squad place as yet. Grummitt
  • Score: 2

6:03pm Fri 18 Jul 14

gordongull says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
gordongull wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
@Vegas
If we forget all about the FFP rules and just look at Brighton as a business, cutting losses of millions each year is nothing more than be sensible. Having a pay and transfer structure is surely part and parcel of good housekeeping.

Can you tell me the amount of losses we cut ?

Last figures i read show Albion going deeper in the red.
Taking your last sentence it goes to underline my point, does it not, but my next paragraph questions your assertion that we are losing more money than we have in past years.

In the interview that Barber gave last season, the one where he answered fans questions, he made it very clear that we would be FFP compliant for the season just past, ergo we cut our losses, and cutting losses is sensible even if those cuts were forced upon us.
The only way we will be compliant is that Mr Bloom opens his wallet again.

http://companycheck.



co.uk/company/000810



77/BRIGHTON-AND-HOVE



-ALBION-FOOTBALL-CLU



BLIMITEDTHE/financia



l-accounts#financial



s

Cuts were not forced upon us Albion said we will try and play to the rules. Others seem to take the urine.

I know its off the thread have you read this.

http://www.theargus.



co.uk/news/11349548.



Football_brothers_si



gned_by_the_Addicks/
Those are figures for previous years.
What about the 2013-2014 figures?
You have to pay not giving that freebie look at the site.
That is not the point, Don't Wanna.
What I am asking you for are the figures that show greater losses for 2013-2014, than in 2012-2013.
They will be the figures which you said showed Albion going deeper in the red.
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: @Vegas If we forget all about the FFP rules and just look at Brighton as a business, cutting losses of millions each year is nothing more than be sensible. Having a pay and transfer structure is surely part and parcel of good housekeeping. Can you tell me the amount of losses we cut ? Last figures i read show Albion going deeper in the red.[/p][/quote]Taking your last sentence it goes to underline my point, does it not, but my next paragraph questions your assertion that we are losing more money than we have in past years. In the interview that Barber gave last season, the one where he answered fans questions, he made it very clear that we would be FFP compliant for the season just past, ergo we cut our losses, and cutting losses is sensible even if those cuts were forced upon us.[/p][/quote]The only way we will be compliant is that Mr Bloom opens his wallet again. http://companycheck. co.uk/company/000810 77/BRIGHTON-AND-HOVE -ALBION-FOOTBALL-CLU BLIMITEDTHE/financia l-accounts#financial s Cuts were not forced upon us Albion said we will try and play to the rules. Others seem to take the urine. I know its off the thread have you read this. http://www.theargus. co.uk/news/11349548. Football_brothers_si gned_by_the_Addicks/[/p][/quote]Those are figures for previous years. What about the 2013-2014 figures?[/p][/quote]You have to pay not giving that freebie look at the site.[/p][/quote]That is not the point, Don't Wanna. What I am asking you for are the figures that show greater losses for 2013-2014, than in 2012-2013. They will be the figures which you said showed Albion going deeper in the red. gordongull
  • Score: 5

6:06pm Fri 18 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

gordongull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.
There are ten clubs receiving parachute money, so that puts us top of the non-parachute league.
One of those ten clubs made it known that they have used a large part of this year's parachute payment, if not all, to help clear their bank overdraft requirement, I forget who it was.

Other clubs with payments will have to shift players out or continue to pay prem level wages, the latter will somewhat constrain their spending power, but they will be able to spend, but maybe not as high as some might think.

My guess is that all of the clubs with payments are lsoing money, and now they are in the Champ Div, they will have to look at their FFP requirements, just incase they don't bounce staight back up, any punishments would take effect in 1015/16 season.

The first season of relegation, now that FFP properly exists , is not a walk in the park.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.[/p][/quote]There are ten clubs receiving parachute money, so that puts us top of the non-parachute league.[/p][/quote]One of those ten clubs made it known that they have used a large part of this year's parachute payment, if not all, to help clear their bank overdraft requirement, I forget who it was. Other clubs with payments will have to shift players out or continue to pay prem level wages, the latter will somewhat constrain their spending power, but they will be able to spend, but maybe not as high as some might think. My guess is that all of the clubs with payments are lsoing money, and now they are in the Champ Div, they will have to look at their FFP requirements, just incase they don't bounce staight back up, any punishments would take effect in 1015/16 season. The first season of relegation, now that FFP properly exists , is not a walk in the park. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 6

6:17pm Fri 18 Jul 14

pte says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Clean Sheet wrote:
the taffster wrote:
For Christ sake Burke and barber you haven't got a clue,have you? Did u watch the game against Barnsley at the amex? The best player on the park was paddy McCourt by a country mile....so we sign pog....
Would this be the same duo who signed Ulloa for £2 mil 18 months ago surely?
Gus got him through the scout we just got rid of!
Theres gratitude for you what fantastic timing! I suppose he missed out on his commission there!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clean Sheet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: For Christ sake Burke and barber you haven't got a clue,have you? Did u watch the game against Barnsley at the amex? The best player on the park was paddy McCourt by a country mile....so we sign pog....[/p][/quote]Would this be the same duo who signed Ulloa for £2 mil 18 months ago surely?[/p][/quote]Gus got him through the scout we just got rid of![/p][/quote]Theres gratitude for you what fantastic timing! I suppose he missed out on his commission there! pte
  • Score: 2

6:17pm Fri 18 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.
There are ten clubs receiving parachute money, so that puts us top of the non-parachute league.
One of those ten clubs made it known that they have used a large part of this year's parachute payment, if not all, to help clear their bank overdraft requirement, I forget who it was.

Other clubs with payments will have to shift players out or continue to pay prem level wages, the latter will somewhat constrain their spending power, but they will be able to spend, but maybe not as high as some might think.

My guess is that all of the clubs with payments are lsoing money, and now they are in the Champ Div, they will have to look at their FFP requirements, just incase they don't bounce staight back up, any punishments would take effect in 1015/16 season.

The first season of relegation, now that FFP properly exists , is not a walk in the park.
How many football clubs made a profit of the 92 clubs?
You seem to think the Albion have it harder than anyone else!
When the stadium was being built a break even figure was given of 12-13,000 we have doubled that, sold players to the tune of 12 million reduced our wages year on year on, American Express, new strip sponsors, the ground being used everyday for something or other,
We made the play offs two years in a row, and we still struggle to break even.... Exactly how Vegas are we getting out of this league unless we spend money?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.[/p][/quote]There are ten clubs receiving parachute money, so that puts us top of the non-parachute league.[/p][/quote]One of those ten clubs made it known that they have used a large part of this year's parachute payment, if not all, to help clear their bank overdraft requirement, I forget who it was. Other clubs with payments will have to shift players out or continue to pay prem level wages, the latter will somewhat constrain their spending power, but they will be able to spend, but maybe not as high as some might think. My guess is that all of the clubs with payments are lsoing money, and now they are in the Champ Div, they will have to look at their FFP requirements, just incase they don't bounce staight back up, any punishments would take effect in 1015/16 season. The first season of relegation, now that FFP properly exists , is not a walk in the park.[/p][/quote]How many football clubs made a profit of the 92 clubs? You seem to think the Albion have it harder than anyone else! When the stadium was being built a break even figure was given of 12-13,000 we have doubled that, sold players to the tune of 12 million reduced our wages year on year on, American Express, new strip sponsors, the ground being used everyday for something or other, We made the play offs two years in a row, and we still struggle to break even.... Exactly how Vegas are we getting out of this league unless we spend money? mark by the sea
  • Score: 4

6:19pm Fri 18 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

Major Bloodboil wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
Major Bloodboil wrote:
It is impossible to gauge what the team is going to be like this coming season until the transfer dealings have been concluded. Granted that the additions thus far have not set the heart a-beating, but it is still too early to make a reasoned judgment.

Although I am a little sorry to see Ulloa go as he has a good goals to game ratio, to me he was a frustrating player as he was always falling over or moaning to the referee and he was not the swiftest of forwards. Therefore to sell him for £7M must be great business especially if we can get Becchio as a replacement. If this happens then I reckon that we will have got the better of the two deals.

I just hope that we play more attacking football this coming season than we did last season which was truly boring for the most part. I have a feeling that CMS will have a great season. It all depends if we can if we play to his skills. I reckon we will.
I agree, Major. I think Becchio and CMS would be a great combo as Becchio is much faster than Leo. Only trouble is that Watford and Leeds are also after him and Leeds need a McCormack replacement so it might push the price up a bit. I hope Becchio won't want to go back there.
A front three of CMS, Becchio and a really fit Buckley would be great with Ward/Chicksen and Bruno/Calde crossing from the wings, don't you think?
An attack like that one would certainly get the pulses racing CB. Here's hoping. To attack at a fast pace with swift forwards, that is what I would like to see and think we may see it.

I hope that Chicksen can make the grade as his pace is electric and would assist us getting up the pitch quickly on the counter attack.

One thing that is a bit disappointing is that Jeffrey Monakana hasn't been involved in the pre-season games. I liked the look of him as he was another pacey player in the KLL mode. Anyone know what has happened to him as he does not even appear anywhere that I can find on the Seagulls web site?
Monakana was on the DS tour in Spain and judging from the report on the club's website featured prominently in the goalless draw against Cartegena.
[quote][p][bold]Major Bloodboil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Major Bloodboil[/bold] wrote: It is impossible to gauge what the team is going to be like this coming season until the transfer dealings have been concluded. Granted that the additions thus far have not set the heart a-beating, but it is still too early to make a reasoned judgment. Although I am a little sorry to see Ulloa go as he has a good goals to game ratio, to me he was a frustrating player as he was always falling over or moaning to the referee and he was not the swiftest of forwards. Therefore to sell him for £7M must be great business especially if we can get Becchio as a replacement. If this happens then I reckon that we will have got the better of the two deals. I just hope that we play more attacking football this coming season than we did last season which was truly boring for the most part. I have a feeling that CMS will have a great season. It all depends if we can if we play to his skills. I reckon we will.[/p][/quote]I agree, Major. I think Becchio and CMS would be a great combo as Becchio is much faster than Leo. Only trouble is that Watford and Leeds are also after him and Leeds need a McCormack replacement so it might push the price up a bit. I hope Becchio won't want to go back there. A front three of CMS, Becchio and a really fit Buckley would be great with Ward/Chicksen and Bruno/Calde crossing from the wings, don't you think?[/p][/quote]An attack like that one would certainly get the pulses racing CB. Here's hoping. To attack at a fast pace with swift forwards, that is what I would like to see and think we may see it. I hope that Chicksen can make the grade as his pace is electric and would assist us getting up the pitch quickly on the counter attack. One thing that is a bit disappointing is that Jeffrey Monakana hasn't been involved in the pre-season games. I liked the look of him as he was another pacey player in the KLL mode. Anyone know what has happened to him as he does not even appear anywhere that I can find on the Seagulls web site?[/p][/quote]Monakana was on the DS tour in Spain and judging from the report on the club's website featured prominently in the goalless draw against Cartegena. ballantrrae
  • Score: 2

6:33pm Fri 18 Jul 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.
There are ten clubs receiving parachute money, so that puts us top of the non-parachute league.
One of those ten clubs made it known that they have used a large part of this year's parachute payment, if not all, to help clear their bank overdraft requirement, I forget who it was.

Other clubs with payments will have to shift players out or continue to pay prem level wages, the latter will somewhat constrain their spending power, but they will be able to spend, but maybe not as high as some might think.

My guess is that all of the clubs with payments are lsoing money, and now they are in the Champ Div, they will have to look at their FFP requirements, just incase they don't bounce staight back up, any punishments would take effect in 1015/16 season.

The first season of relegation, now that FFP properly exists , is not a walk in the park.
You are right about it not being a walk in the park for all relegated clubs, Vegas, and relegation brings a whole set of problems with it.
There is no chance of the ten teams getting the money finishing in the top ten. Bolton, Blackpool, and Birmingham have all struggled, but there are plenty of clubs who will use the money to their advantage in an attempt to return to the top flight.
The three relegated sides still have their Premier League squads largely intact, and don't appear to be in kind of financial difficulty which could erode parachute money. Wigan and Wolves will also be dangerous, based on the payments being used to retain existing, and fund new quality players.
Some clubs will struggle even with parachute money, but there are only three teams promoted each season. There are more than enough clubs for whom the payments will be a massive advantage, to fill those three positions.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.[/p][/quote]There are ten clubs receiving parachute money, so that puts us top of the non-parachute league.[/p][/quote]One of those ten clubs made it known that they have used a large part of this year's parachute payment, if not all, to help clear their bank overdraft requirement, I forget who it was. Other clubs with payments will have to shift players out or continue to pay prem level wages, the latter will somewhat constrain their spending power, but they will be able to spend, but maybe not as high as some might think. My guess is that all of the clubs with payments are lsoing money, and now they are in the Champ Div, they will have to look at their FFP requirements, just incase they don't bounce staight back up, any punishments would take effect in 1015/16 season. The first season of relegation, now that FFP properly exists , is not a walk in the park.[/p][/quote]You are right about it not being a walk in the park for all relegated clubs, Vegas, and relegation brings a whole set of problems with it. There is no chance of the ten teams getting the money finishing in the top ten. Bolton, Blackpool, and Birmingham have all struggled, but there are plenty of clubs who will use the money to their advantage in an attempt to return to the top flight. The three relegated sides still have their Premier League squads largely intact, and don't appear to be in kind of financial difficulty which could erode parachute money. Wigan and Wolves will also be dangerous, based on the payments being used to retain existing, and fund new quality players. Some clubs will struggle even with parachute money, but there are only three teams promoted each season. There are more than enough clubs for whom the payments will be a massive advantage, to fill those three positions. gordongull
  • Score: 1

6:36pm Fri 18 Jul 14

pte says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
@Vegas
If we forget all about the FFP rules and just look at Brighton as a business, cutting losses of millions each year is nothing more than be sensible. Having a pay and transfer structure is surely part and parcel of good housekeeping.

Can you tell me the amount of losses we cut ?

Last figures i read show Albion going deeper in the red.
Taking your last sentence it goes to underline my point, does it not, but my next paragraph questions your assertion that we are losing more money than we have in past years.

In the interview that Barber gave last season, the one where he answered fans questions, he made it very clear that we would be FFP compliant for the season just past, ergo we cut our losses, and cutting losses is sensible even if those cuts were forced upon us.
The only way we will be compliant is that Mr Bloom opens his wallet again.

http://companycheck.

co.uk/company/000810

77/BRIGHTON-AND-HOVE

-ALBION-FOOTBALL-CLU

BLIMITEDTHE/financia

l-accounts#financial

s

Cuts were not forced upon us Albion said we will try and play to the rules. Others seem to take the urine.

I know its off the thread have you read this.

http://www.theargus.

co.uk/news/11349548.

Football_brothers_si

gned_by_the_Addicks/
Thats very interesting So last year when we had Ulloa, Bridcutt, CMS, Buckley BArnes, KLL total assets were 4m

Also shows that the club does not own stadium as that has to be worth more than 4m LOL

You couldn't make it up but I'm sure there'll be some know it all that has a positive explanation
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: @Vegas If we forget all about the FFP rules and just look at Brighton as a business, cutting losses of millions each year is nothing more than be sensible. Having a pay and transfer structure is surely part and parcel of good housekeeping. Can you tell me the amount of losses we cut ? Last figures i read show Albion going deeper in the red.[/p][/quote]Taking your last sentence it goes to underline my point, does it not, but my next paragraph questions your assertion that we are losing more money than we have in past years. In the interview that Barber gave last season, the one where he answered fans questions, he made it very clear that we would be FFP compliant for the season just past, ergo we cut our losses, and cutting losses is sensible even if those cuts were forced upon us.[/p][/quote]The only way we will be compliant is that Mr Bloom opens his wallet again. http://companycheck. co.uk/company/000810 77/BRIGHTON-AND-HOVE -ALBION-FOOTBALL-CLU BLIMITEDTHE/financia l-accounts#financial s Cuts were not forced upon us Albion said we will try and play to the rules. Others seem to take the urine. I know its off the thread have you read this. http://www.theargus. co.uk/news/11349548. Football_brothers_si gned_by_the_Addicks/[/p][/quote]Thats very interesting So last year when we had Ulloa, Bridcutt, CMS, Buckley BArnes, KLL total assets were 4m Also shows that the club does not own stadium as that has to be worth more than 4m LOL You couldn't make it up but I'm sure there'll be some know it all that has a positive explanation pte
  • Score: 0

6:44pm Fri 18 Jul 14

pte says...

Err.... Argus that could be your next headline: "Club doesn't own the stadium"!
Err.... Argus that could be your next headline: "Club doesn't own the stadium"! pte
  • Score: 0

6:55pm Fri 18 Jul 14

gordongull says...

If the value of the stadium is equal to the sum owed to Mr Bloom, would the two not cancel each other out?
Just a suggestion, probably way off the mark.
If the value of the stadium is equal to the sum owed to Mr Bloom, would the two not cancel each other out? Just a suggestion, probably way off the mark. gordongull
  • Score: 0

6:59pm Fri 18 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.
There are ten clubs receiving parachute money, so that puts us top of the non-parachute league.
One of those ten clubs made it known that they have used a large part of this year's parachute payment, if not all, to help clear their bank overdraft requirement, I forget who it was.

Other clubs with payments will have to shift players out or continue to pay prem level wages, the latter will somewhat constrain their spending power, but they will be able to spend, but maybe not as high as some might think.

My guess is that all of the clubs with payments are lsoing money, and now they are in the Champ Div, they will have to look at their FFP requirements, just incase they don't bounce staight back up, any punishments would take effect in 1015/16 season.

The first season of relegation, now that FFP properly exists , is not a walk in the park.
How many football clubs made a profit of the 92 clubs?
You seem to think the Albion have it harder than anyone else!
When the stadium was being built a break even figure was given of 12-13,000 we have doubled that, sold players to the tune of 12 million reduced our wages year on year on, American Express, new strip sponsors, the ground being used everyday for something or other,
We made the play offs two years in a row, and we still struggle to break even.... Exactly how Vegas are we getting out of this league unless we spend money?
Mark please explain how the first two sentences of your reply have anything to do with my comment, i'll look at the rest of your reply now.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.[/p][/quote]There are ten clubs receiving parachute money, so that puts us top of the non-parachute league.[/p][/quote]One of those ten clubs made it known that they have used a large part of this year's parachute payment, if not all, to help clear their bank overdraft requirement, I forget who it was. Other clubs with payments will have to shift players out or continue to pay prem level wages, the latter will somewhat constrain their spending power, but they will be able to spend, but maybe not as high as some might think. My guess is that all of the clubs with payments are lsoing money, and now they are in the Champ Div, they will have to look at their FFP requirements, just incase they don't bounce staight back up, any punishments would take effect in 1015/16 season. The first season of relegation, now that FFP properly exists , is not a walk in the park.[/p][/quote]How many football clubs made a profit of the 92 clubs? You seem to think the Albion have it harder than anyone else! When the stadium was being built a break even figure was given of 12-13,000 we have doubled that, sold players to the tune of 12 million reduced our wages year on year on, American Express, new strip sponsors, the ground being used everyday for something or other, We made the play offs two years in a row, and we still struggle to break even.... Exactly how Vegas are we getting out of this league unless we spend money?[/p][/quote]Mark please explain how the first two sentences of your reply have anything to do with my comment, i'll look at the rest of your reply now. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

7:20pm Fri 18 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.
There are ten clubs receiving parachute money, so that puts us top of the non-parachute league.
One of those ten clubs made it known that they have used a large part of this year's parachute payment, if not all, to help clear their bank overdraft requirement, I forget who it was.

Other clubs with payments will have to shift players out or continue to pay prem level wages, the latter will somewhat constrain their spending power, but they will be able to spend, but maybe not as high as some might think.

My guess is that all of the clubs with payments are lsoing money, and now they are in the Champ Div, they will have to look at their FFP requirements, just incase they don't bounce staight back up, any punishments would take effect in 1015/16 season.

The first season of relegation, now that FFP properly exists , is not a walk in the park.
How many football clubs made a profit of the 92 clubs?
You seem to think the Albion have it harder than anyone else!
When the stadium was being built a break even figure was given of 12-13,000 we have doubled that, sold players to the tune of 12 million reduced our wages year on year on, American Express, new strip sponsors, the ground being used everyday for something or other,
We made the play offs two years in a row, and we still struggle to break even.... Exactly how Vegas are we getting out of this league unless we spend money?
Mark having now read the rest of your reply to my posted comment, I can't see any connection at all, but you often do that.

In answer to your question reagrding promotion, well we will have to spend some money, that's a requirement every year and for every club at all levels, so no surprise there.

I don't know what it would cost to put together a squad that is good enough to contest for the top two spots, and when I say, 'cost,' I am thinking only of purchase price with wages being a seperate issue. So after saying that I don't know, I iwll give it a try, and I will, for these purposes, work on the basis that we have zero players on the books.

A keeper that is good enough, 750K to 1M.
Right back, 600K to 800K.
Left back, 600K to 800K.
Two center backs, 1M to 1.3M each.
Two wide players, 1M to 1.5M each.
Central midfield defender 1.5M.
Attacking midfielder, 1.5M to 2M.
Two strikers, 2.5M to 3.5M each, one of which might cost north of 3.5M

Starting from scratch it might cost around 15M to field eleven players good enough to challenge for top two places in their first season. Of course we would also have to have some decent back up players, so the 15M is only a starting figure.

How many of those that would be needed are already on the books is open for debate, as is how many might not be good enough to start, but are good enough as cover.

Are we going to spend that kind of money in a single year, no chance. Could we put the squad together over a three year period, it's possible. Can we keep the squad together as we build, that's the problem that we would struggle with.

Do you think that I am far off with my figures Mark?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.[/p][/quote]There are ten clubs receiving parachute money, so that puts us top of the non-parachute league.[/p][/quote]One of those ten clubs made it known that they have used a large part of this year's parachute payment, if not all, to help clear their bank overdraft requirement, I forget who it was. Other clubs with payments will have to shift players out or continue to pay prem level wages, the latter will somewhat constrain their spending power, but they will be able to spend, but maybe not as high as some might think. My guess is that all of the clubs with payments are lsoing money, and now they are in the Champ Div, they will have to look at their FFP requirements, just incase they don't bounce staight back up, any punishments would take effect in 1015/16 season. The first season of relegation, now that FFP properly exists , is not a walk in the park.[/p][/quote]How many football clubs made a profit of the 92 clubs? You seem to think the Albion have it harder than anyone else! When the stadium was being built a break even figure was given of 12-13,000 we have doubled that, sold players to the tune of 12 million reduced our wages year on year on, American Express, new strip sponsors, the ground being used everyday for something or other, We made the play offs two years in a row, and we still struggle to break even.... Exactly how Vegas are we getting out of this league unless we spend money?[/p][/quote]Mark having now read the rest of your reply to my posted comment, I can't see any connection at all, but you often do that. In answer to your question reagrding promotion, well we will have to spend some money, that's a requirement every year and for every club at all levels, so no surprise there. I don't know what it would cost to put together a squad that is good enough to contest for the top two spots, and when I say, 'cost,' I am thinking only of purchase price with wages being a seperate issue. So after saying that I don't know, I iwll give it a try, and I will, for these purposes, work on the basis that we have zero players on the books. A keeper that is good enough, 750K to 1M. Right back, 600K to 800K. Left back, 600K to 800K. Two center backs, 1M to 1.3M each. Two wide players, 1M to 1.5M each. Central midfield defender 1.5M. Attacking midfielder, 1.5M to 2M. Two strikers, 2.5M to 3.5M each, one of which might cost north of 3.5M Starting from scratch it might cost around 15M to field eleven players good enough to challenge for top two places in their first season. Of course we would also have to have some decent back up players, so the 15M is only a starting figure. How many of those that would be needed are already on the books is open for debate, as is how many might not be good enough to start, but are good enough as cover. Are we going to spend that kind of money in a single year, no chance. Could we put the squad together over a three year period, it's possible. Can we keep the squad together as we build, that's the problem that we would struggle with. Do you think that I am far off with my figures Mark? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

7:20pm Fri 18 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.
There are ten clubs receiving parachute money, so that puts us top of the non-parachute league.
One of those ten clubs made it known that they have used a large part of this year's parachute payment, if not all, to help clear their bank overdraft requirement, I forget who it was.

Other clubs with payments will have to shift players out or continue to pay prem level wages, the latter will somewhat constrain their spending power, but they will be able to spend, but maybe not as high as some might think.

My guess is that all of the clubs with payments are lsoing money, and now they are in the Champ Div, they will have to look at their FFP requirements, just incase they don't bounce staight back up, any punishments would take effect in 1015/16 season.

The first season of relegation, now that FFP properly exists , is not a walk in the park.
How many football clubs made a profit of the 92 clubs?
You seem to think the Albion have it harder than anyone else!
When the stadium was being built a break even figure was given of 12-13,000 we have doubled that, sold players to the tune of 12 million reduced our wages year on year on, American Express, new strip sponsors, the ground being used everyday for something or other,
We made the play offs two years in a row, and we still struggle to break even.... Exactly how Vegas are we getting out of this league unless we spend money?
Mark please explain how the first two sentences of your reply have anything to do with my comment, i'll look at the rest of your reply now.
You keep banging on about FFP as though it's only the Albion who will struggle to keep within the lines of it..
You also say we are doing well! I don't think losing over 20 million in two years something to put on Barbers cv .
You always try and worm out of answering questions ,
How is the club going to gain promotion without spending money?
How is it going to keep 20000 season ticket holders happy without bringing in quality players?
It's easy to play to the numpty crowd who swallow all that the suits put out on here, but as I said interms of turn over = profit or loss are we doing any better than charlton , derby ..
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.[/p][/quote]There are ten clubs receiving parachute money, so that puts us top of the non-parachute league.[/p][/quote]One of those ten clubs made it known that they have used a large part of this year's parachute payment, if not all, to help clear their bank overdraft requirement, I forget who it was. Other clubs with payments will have to shift players out or continue to pay prem level wages, the latter will somewhat constrain their spending power, but they will be able to spend, but maybe not as high as some might think. My guess is that all of the clubs with payments are lsoing money, and now they are in the Champ Div, they will have to look at their FFP requirements, just incase they don't bounce staight back up, any punishments would take effect in 1015/16 season. The first season of relegation, now that FFP properly exists , is not a walk in the park.[/p][/quote]How many football clubs made a profit of the 92 clubs? You seem to think the Albion have it harder than anyone else! When the stadium was being built a break even figure was given of 12-13,000 we have doubled that, sold players to the tune of 12 million reduced our wages year on year on, American Express, new strip sponsors, the ground being used everyday for something or other, We made the play offs two years in a row, and we still struggle to break even.... Exactly how Vegas are we getting out of this league unless we spend money?[/p][/quote]Mark please explain how the first two sentences of your reply have anything to do with my comment, i'll look at the rest of your reply now.[/p][/quote]You keep banging on about FFP as though it's only the Albion who will struggle to keep within the lines of it.. You also say we are doing well! I don't think losing over 20 million in two years something to put on Barbers cv . You always try and worm out of answering questions , How is the club going to gain promotion without spending money? How is it going to keep 20000 season ticket holders happy without bringing in quality players? It's easy to play to the numpty crowd who swallow all that the suits put out on here, but as I said interms of turn over = profit or loss are we doing any better than charlton , derby .. mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

7:28pm Fri 18 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.
There are ten clubs receiving parachute money, so that puts us top of the non-parachute league.
One of those ten clubs made it known that they have used a large part of this year's parachute payment, if not all, to help clear their bank overdraft requirement, I forget who it was.

Other clubs with payments will have to shift players out or continue to pay prem level wages, the latter will somewhat constrain their spending power, but they will be able to spend, but maybe not as high as some might think.

My guess is that all of the clubs with payments are lsoing money, and now they are in the Champ Div, they will have to look at their FFP requirements, just incase they don't bounce staight back up, any punishments would take effect in 1015/16 season.

The first season of relegation, now that FFP properly exists , is not a walk in the park.
How many football clubs made a profit of the 92 clubs?
You seem to think the Albion have it harder than anyone else!
When the stadium was being built a break even figure was given of 12-13,000 we have doubled that, sold players to the tune of 12 million reduced our wages year on year on, American Express, new strip sponsors, the ground being used everyday for something or other,
We made the play offs two years in a row, and we still struggle to break even.... Exactly how Vegas are we getting out of this league unless we spend money?
Mark please explain how the first two sentences of your reply have anything to do with my comment, i'll look at the rest of your reply now.
You keep banging on about FFP as though it's only the Albion who will struggle to keep within the lines of it..
You also say we are doing well! I don't think losing over 20 million in two years something to put on Barbers cv .
You always try and worm out of answering questions ,
How is the club going to gain promotion without spending money?
How is it going to keep 20000 season ticket holders happy without bringing in quality players?
It's easy to play to the numpty crowd who swallow all that the suits put out on here, but as I said interms of turn over = profit or loss are we doing any better than charlton , derby ..
you jumped in just a tad too early Mark, I made a second posting.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.[/p][/quote]There are ten clubs receiving parachute money, so that puts us top of the non-parachute league.[/p][/quote]One of those ten clubs made it known that they have used a large part of this year's parachute payment, if not all, to help clear their bank overdraft requirement, I forget who it was. Other clubs with payments will have to shift players out or continue to pay prem level wages, the latter will somewhat constrain their spending power, but they will be able to spend, but maybe not as high as some might think. My guess is that all of the clubs with payments are lsoing money, and now they are in the Champ Div, they will have to look at their FFP requirements, just incase they don't bounce staight back up, any punishments would take effect in 1015/16 season. The first season of relegation, now that FFP properly exists , is not a walk in the park.[/p][/quote]How many football clubs made a profit of the 92 clubs? You seem to think the Albion have it harder than anyone else! When the stadium was being built a break even figure was given of 12-13,000 we have doubled that, sold players to the tune of 12 million reduced our wages year on year on, American Express, new strip sponsors, the ground being used everyday for something or other, We made the play offs two years in a row, and we still struggle to break even.... Exactly how Vegas are we getting out of this league unless we spend money?[/p][/quote]Mark please explain how the first two sentences of your reply have anything to do with my comment, i'll look at the rest of your reply now.[/p][/quote]You keep banging on about FFP as though it's only the Albion who will struggle to keep within the lines of it.. You also say we are doing well! I don't think losing over 20 million in two years something to put on Barbers cv . You always try and worm out of answering questions , How is the club going to gain promotion without spending money? How is it going to keep 20000 season ticket holders happy without bringing in quality players? It's easy to play to the numpty crowd who swallow all that the suits put out on here, but as I said interms of turn over = profit or loss are we doing any better than charlton , derby ..[/p][/quote]you jumped in just a tad too early Mark, I made a second posting. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

7:33pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Mark, you should ENJOY being an Albion fan (sorry, football fan who follows the Albion) - trust me, it's far more enjoyable that constant cynicism :-)

In all seriousness, do you think you could do a better job running the club? If not, do you think someone else other than Bloom and Barber could run the club better? If so, what do you think they should do differently, bearing in mind they have to ensure the club's very future?

I'm sure they perform risk analysis running all scenarios through all permutations, to help see what the sweet spot of investment/return is.
Mark, you should ENJOY being an Albion fan (sorry, football fan who follows the Albion) - trust me, it's far more enjoyable that constant cynicism :-) In all seriousness, do you think you could do a better job running the club? If not, do you think someone else other than Bloom and Barber could run the club better? If so, what do you think they should do differently, bearing in mind they have to ensure the club's very future? I'm sure they perform risk analysis running all scenarios through all permutations, to help see what the sweet spot of investment/return is. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

7:33pm Fri 18 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Just a question Mark but, is it that I always try to write in a positive way, rarely a negative word leaves my finger tips, is that what P's you off about my comments?

Please feel free to answer in what ever way you wish to, I will not be offended in the slightest.
Just a question Mark but, is it that I always try to write in a positive way, rarely a negative word leaves my finger tips, is that what P's you off about my comments? Please feel free to answer in what ever way you wish to, I will not be offended in the slightest. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

7:40pm Fri 18 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.
There are ten clubs receiving parachute money, so that puts us top of the non-parachute league.
One of those ten clubs made it known that they have used a large part of this year's parachute payment, if not all, to help clear their bank overdraft requirement, I forget who it was.

Other clubs with payments will have to shift players out or continue to pay prem level wages, the latter will somewhat constrain their spending power, but they will be able to spend, but maybe not as high as some might think.

My guess is that all of the clubs with payments are lsoing money, and now they are in the Champ Div, they will have to look at their FFP requirements, just incase they don't bounce staight back up, any punishments would take effect in 1015/16 season.

The first season of relegation, now that FFP properly exists , is not a walk in the park.
How many football clubs made a profit of the 92 clubs?
You seem to think the Albion have it harder than anyone else!
When the stadium was being built a break even figure was given of 12-13,000 we have doubled that, sold players to the tune of 12 million reduced our wages year on year on, American Express, new strip sponsors, the ground being used everyday for something or other,
We made the play offs two years in a row, and we still struggle to break even.... Exactly how Vegas are we getting out of this league unless we spend money?
Mark having now read the rest of your reply to my posted comment, I can't see any connection at all, but you often do that.

In answer to your question reagrding promotion, well we will have to spend some money, that's a requirement every year and for every club at all levels, so no surprise there.

I don't know what it would cost to put together a squad that is good enough to contest for the top two spots, and when I say, 'cost,' I am thinking only of purchase price with wages being a seperate issue. So after saying that I don't know, I iwll give it a try, and I will, for these purposes, work on the basis that we have zero players on the books.

A keeper that is good enough, 750K to 1M.
Right back, 600K to 800K.
Left back, 600K to 800K.
Two center backs, 1M to 1.3M each.
Two wide players, 1M to 1.5M each.
Central midfield defender 1.5M.
Attacking midfielder, 1.5M to 2M.
Two strikers, 2.5M to 3.5M each, one of which might cost north of 3.5M

Starting from scratch it might cost around 15M to field eleven players good enough to challenge for top two places in their first season. Of course we would also have to have some decent back up players, so the 15M is only a starting figure.

How many of those that would be needed are already on the books is open for debate, as is how many might not be good enough to start, but are good enough as cover.

Are we going to spend that kind of money in a single year, no chance. Could we put the squad together over a three year period, it's possible. Can we keep the squad together as we build, that's the problem that we would struggle with.

Do you think that I am far off with my figures Mark?
The problem is your paying players who you signed on a three year deal 15k a week so on a three year progress 5 players will cost 10 million in wages? That's with the idea we will gain promotion,
I don't have the answers, but simply saying meeting FFP means we will be successful is a fine balancing act.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.[/p][/quote]There are ten clubs receiving parachute money, so that puts us top of the non-parachute league.[/p][/quote]One of those ten clubs made it known that they have used a large part of this year's parachute payment, if not all, to help clear their bank overdraft requirement, I forget who it was. Other clubs with payments will have to shift players out or continue to pay prem level wages, the latter will somewhat constrain their spending power, but they will be able to spend, but maybe not as high as some might think. My guess is that all of the clubs with payments are lsoing money, and now they are in the Champ Div, they will have to look at their FFP requirements, just incase they don't bounce staight back up, any punishments would take effect in 1015/16 season. The first season of relegation, now that FFP properly exists , is not a walk in the park.[/p][/quote]How many football clubs made a profit of the 92 clubs? You seem to think the Albion have it harder than anyone else! When the stadium was being built a break even figure was given of 12-13,000 we have doubled that, sold players to the tune of 12 million reduced our wages year on year on, American Express, new strip sponsors, the ground being used everyday for something or other, We made the play offs two years in a row, and we still struggle to break even.... Exactly how Vegas are we getting out of this league unless we spend money?[/p][/quote]Mark having now read the rest of your reply to my posted comment, I can't see any connection at all, but you often do that. In answer to your question reagrding promotion, well we will have to spend some money, that's a requirement every year and for every club at all levels, so no surprise there. I don't know what it would cost to put together a squad that is good enough to contest for the top two spots, and when I say, 'cost,' I am thinking only of purchase price with wages being a seperate issue. So after saying that I don't know, I iwll give it a try, and I will, for these purposes, work on the basis that we have zero players on the books. A keeper that is good enough, 750K to 1M. Right back, 600K to 800K. Left back, 600K to 800K. Two center backs, 1M to 1.3M each. Two wide players, 1M to 1.5M each. Central midfield defender 1.5M. Attacking midfielder, 1.5M to 2M. Two strikers, 2.5M to 3.5M each, one of which might cost north of 3.5M Starting from scratch it might cost around 15M to field eleven players good enough to challenge for top two places in their first season. Of course we would also have to have some decent back up players, so the 15M is only a starting figure. How many of those that would be needed are already on the books is open for debate, as is how many might not be good enough to start, but are good enough as cover. Are we going to spend that kind of money in a single year, no chance. Could we put the squad together over a three year period, it's possible. Can we keep the squad together as we build, that's the problem that we would struggle with. Do you think that I am far off with my figures Mark?[/p][/quote]The problem is your paying players who you signed on a three year deal 15k a week so on a three year progress 5 players will cost 10 million in wages? That's with the idea we will gain promotion, I don't have the answers, but simply saying meeting FFP means we will be successful is a fine balancing act. mark by the sea
  • Score: -3

7:56pm Fri 18 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Neville wrote:
Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.
There are ten clubs receiving parachute money, so that puts us top of the non-parachute league.
One of those ten clubs made it known that they have used a large part of this year's parachute payment, if not all, to help clear their bank overdraft requirement, I forget who it was.

Other clubs with payments will have to shift players out or continue to pay prem level wages, the latter will somewhat constrain their spending power, but they will be able to spend, but maybe not as high as some might think.

My guess is that all of the clubs with payments are lsoing money, and now they are in the Champ Div, they will have to look at their FFP requirements, just incase they don't bounce staight back up, any punishments would take effect in 1015/16 season.

The first season of relegation, now that FFP properly exists , is not a walk in the park.
How many football clubs made a profit of the 92 clubs?
You seem to think the Albion have it harder than anyone else!
When the stadium was being built a break even figure was given of 12-13,000 we have doubled that, sold players to the tune of 12 million reduced our wages year on year on, American Express, new strip sponsors, the ground being used everyday for something or other,
We made the play offs two years in a row, and we still struggle to break even.... Exactly how Vegas are we getting out of this league unless we spend money?
Mark having now read the rest of your reply to my posted comment, I can't see any connection at all, but you often do that.

In answer to your question reagrding promotion, well we will have to spend some money, that's a requirement every year and for every club at all levels, so no surprise there.

I don't know what it would cost to put together a squad that is good enough to contest for the top two spots, and when I say, 'cost,' I am thinking only of purchase price with wages being a seperate issue. So after saying that I don't know, I iwll give it a try, and I will, for these purposes, work on the basis that we have zero players on the books.

A keeper that is good enough, 750K to 1M.
Right back, 600K to 800K.
Left back, 600K to 800K.
Two center backs, 1M to 1.3M each.
Two wide players, 1M to 1.5M each.
Central midfield defender 1.5M.
Attacking midfielder, 1.5M to 2M.
Two strikers, 2.5M to 3.5M each, one of which might cost north of 3.5M

Starting from scratch it might cost around 15M to field eleven players good enough to challenge for top two places in their first season. Of course we would also have to have some decent back up players, so the 15M is only a starting figure.

How many of those that would be needed are already on the books is open for debate, as is how many might not be good enough to start, but are good enough as cover.

Are we going to spend that kind of money in a single year, no chance. Could we put the squad together over a three year period, it's possible. Can we keep the squad together as we build, that's the problem that we would struggle with.

Do you think that I am far off with my figures Mark?
The problem is your paying players who you signed on a three year deal 15k a week so on a three year progress 5 players will cost 10 million in wages? That's with the idea we will gain promotion,
I don't have the answers, but simply saying meeting FFP means we will be successful is a fine balancing act.
Mark I made the point very clear that I was NOT icluding wages, but yes, they would have to be paid. The point I was trying to make was that, when you state that we won't get promoted unless we spend, the numbers we would need to spend are massive, massive if we think we can do it in a single year of buying.

Being FFP compliant is a double edged sword, if we cut losses we cut spending or sell good players, that won't help a run for the top. The other side of that is, if we do cut our losses year on year, the day will come when we bank money rather than lose it, with money in the bank we can buy quality without going into debt.

Mark just like me you don't have the answers, none of us do, all we have are hopes and dreams. Calling for more spending without being able to at least answer just where the money will come from, requires us to believe that Bloom and Barber and Burke do have the answers, as only they know the true financial position of the club.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Looking at the promotion odds we seem to be predicted to finish 11th below likes of Watford,Blackburn and Wolves. This will produce lots of thumbs down but it's what the bookies currently reckon,a couple of quality signings and that may change,we can but hope.[/p][/quote]There are ten clubs receiving parachute money, so that puts us top of the non-parachute league.[/p][/quote]One of those ten clubs made it known that they have used a large part of this year's parachute payment, if not all, to help clear their bank overdraft requirement, I forget who it was. Other clubs with payments will have to shift players out or continue to pay prem level wages, the latter will somewhat constrain their spending power, but they will be able to spend, but maybe not as high as some might think. My guess is that all of the clubs with payments are lsoing money, and now they are in the Champ Div, they will have to look at their FFP requirements, just incase they don't bounce staight back up, any punishments would take effect in 1015/16 season. The first season of relegation, now that FFP properly exists , is not a walk in the park.[/p][/quote]How many football clubs made a profit of the 92 clubs? You seem to think the Albion have it harder than anyone else! When the stadium was being built a break even figure was given of 12-13,000 we have doubled that, sold players to the tune of 12 million reduced our wages year on year on, American Express, new strip sponsors, the ground being used everyday for something or other, We made the play offs two years in a row, and we still struggle to break even.... Exactly how Vegas are we getting out of this league unless we spend money?[/p][/quote]Mark having now read the rest of your reply to my posted comment, I can't see any connection at all, but you often do that. In answer to your question reagrding promotion, well we will have to spend some money, that's a requirement every year and for every club at all levels, so no surprise there. I don't know what it would cost to put together a squad that is good enough to contest for the top two spots, and when I say, 'cost,' I am thinking only of purchase price with wages being a seperate issue. So after saying that I don't know, I iwll give it a try, and I will, for these purposes, work on the basis that we have zero players on the books. A keeper that is good enough, 750K to 1M. Right back, 600K to 800K. Left back, 600K to 800K. Two center backs, 1M to 1.3M each. Two wide players, 1M to 1.5M each. Central midfield defender 1.5M. Attacking midfielder, 1.5M to 2M. Two strikers, 2.5M to 3.5M each, one of which might cost north of 3.5M Starting from scratch it might cost around 15M to field eleven players good enough to challenge for top two places in their first season. Of course we would also have to have some decent back up players, so the 15M is only a starting figure. How many of those that would be needed are already on the books is open for debate, as is how many might not be good enough to start, but are good enough as cover. Are we going to spend that kind of money in a single year, no chance. Could we put the squad together over a three year period, it's possible. Can we keep the squad together as we build, that's the problem that we would struggle with. Do you think that I am far off with my figures Mark?[/p][/quote]The problem is your paying players who you signed on a three year deal 15k a week so on a three year progress 5 players will cost 10 million in wages? That's with the idea we will gain promotion, I don't have the answers, but simply saying meeting FFP means we will be successful is a fine balancing act.[/p][/quote]Mark I made the point very clear that I was NOT icluding wages, but yes, they would have to be paid. The point I was trying to make was that, when you state that we won't get promoted unless we spend, the numbers we would need to spend are massive, massive if we think we can do it in a single year of buying. Being FFP compliant is a double edged sword, if we cut losses we cut spending or sell good players, that won't help a run for the top. The other side of that is, if we do cut our losses year on year, the day will come when we bank money rather than lose it, with money in the bank we can buy quality without going into debt. Mark just like me you don't have the answers, none of us do, all we have are hopes and dreams. Calling for more spending without being able to at least answer just where the money will come from, requires us to believe that Bloom and Barber and Burke do have the answers, as only they know the true financial position of the club. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

8:24pm Fri 18 Jul 14

pte says...

gordongull wrote:
If the value of the stadium is equal to the sum owed to Mr Bloom, would the two not cancel each other out?
Just a suggestion, probably way off the mark.
Looking at the accounts summary, the asset of the stadium isn't even included in the club's accounts.

My guess is the main asset the stadium is held by another company because the value of the club's assets is only put at 4.6m. The idea would be that whatever happened on the playing front if the club got into financial difficulties then the creditors could not get their hands on the main asset the stadium.

There are huge liabilities but I guess these are loans from TB. These won't be for the stadium because it doesn't appear the stadium is owned by the club.

Amazing that last year they had the playing staff value at around 4m

People can give as many negs as they like but they are the facts
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: If the value of the stadium is equal to the sum owed to Mr Bloom, would the two not cancel each other out? Just a suggestion, probably way off the mark.[/p][/quote]Looking at the accounts summary, the asset of the stadium isn't even included in the club's accounts. My guess is the main asset the stadium is held by another company because the value of the club's assets is only put at 4.6m. The idea would be that whatever happened on the playing front if the club got into financial difficulties then the creditors could not get their hands on the main asset the stadium. There are huge liabilities but I guess these are loans from TB. These won't be for the stadium because it doesn't appear the stadium is owned by the club. Amazing that last year they had the playing staff value at around 4m People can give as many negs as they like but they are the facts pte
  • Score: 3

9:46pm Fri 18 Jul 14

maakene says...

Let me start by saying that I have supported Albion since November 1979, when I watched them beat Nottingham Forest 1-0 in the old 1st Division on Norwegian TV, after a Peter Ward-goal. since that day, I have followed the club closely, and over the years learned to love it as I love a piece of marsipancake or a glass of whisky on a Friday night (God, now I really feel old...). Therefore it hurts me to post a negative mail, but in this case, I don't have a choise - except posting nothing at all ...
Since January BHA have lost no less than seven more or less key-players in Tomaz K, Matthew Upson, Liam Bridcutt, Leo ulloa, Andrea Olrandi, Stephen Ward, Ashley Barnes. what have they got in return? Aron Hughes. Experienced player, good record but maybe over the top.
The point is, if there is to be any credibility in the clubs ambitons to play in the PL, this mKes no sence. In order to reach PL, you have to invest, Which, by the way, Ulloa has pointed out.
I still hope for some big signings, but do I believe we will see them? afraid not. hope I'm proven wrong. Unless, it will be a tough season.
Let me start by saying that I have supported Albion since November 1979, when I watched them beat Nottingham Forest 1-0 in the old 1st Division on Norwegian TV, after a Peter Ward-goal. since that day, I have followed the club closely, and over the years learned to love it as I love a piece of marsipancake or a glass of whisky on a Friday night (God, now I really feel old...). Therefore it hurts me to post a negative mail, but in this case, I don't have a choise - except posting nothing at all ... Since January BHA have lost no less than seven more or less key-players in Tomaz K, Matthew Upson, Liam Bridcutt, Leo ulloa, Andrea Olrandi, Stephen Ward, Ashley Barnes. what have they got in return? Aron Hughes. Experienced player, good record but maybe over the top. The point is, if there is to be any credibility in the clubs ambitons to play in the PL, this mKes no sence. In order to reach PL, you have to invest, Which, by the way, Ulloa has pointed out. I still hope for some big signings, but do I believe we will see them? afraid not. hope I'm proven wrong. Unless, it will be a tough season. maakene
  • Score: 1

10:42pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Major Bloodboil says...

Grummitt wrote:
Major Bloodboil wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
Major Bloodboil wrote:
It is impossible to gauge what the team is going to be like this coming season until the transfer dealings have been concluded. Granted that the additions thus far have not set the heart a-beating, but it is still too early to make a reasoned judgment.

Although I am a little sorry to see Ulloa go as he has a good goals to game ratio, to me he was a frustrating player as he was always falling over or moaning to the referee and he was not the swiftest of forwards. Therefore to sell him for £7M must be great business especially if we can get Becchio as a replacement. If this happens then I reckon that we will have got the better of the two deals.

I just hope that we play more attacking football this coming season than we did last season which was truly boring for the most part. I have a feeling that CMS will have a great season. It all depends if we can if we play to his skills. I reckon we will.
I agree, Major. I think Becchio and CMS would be a great combo as Becchio is much faster than Leo. Only trouble is that Watford and Leeds are also after him and Leeds need a McCormack replacement so it might push the price up a bit. I hope Becchio won't want to go back there.
A front three of CMS, Becchio and a really fit Buckley would be great with Ward/Chicksen and Bruno/Calde crossing from the wings, don't you think?
An attack like that one would certainly get the pulses racing CB. Here's hoping. To attack at a fast pace with swift forwards, that is what I would like to see and think we may see it.

I hope that Chicksen can make the grade as his pace is electric and would assist us getting up the pitch quickly on the counter attack.

One thing that is a bit disappointing is that Jeffrey Monakana hasn't been involved in the pre-season games. I liked the look of him as he was another pacey player in the KLL mode. Anyone know what has happened to him as he does not even appear anywhere that I can find on the Seagulls web site?
Major, he went to Spain on the tour but only played with the DS guys. Got a good write up for the game they played against Cartagena, so he is still around but not pushing for a first team squad place as yet.
Thank you Grummitt and ballantrrae for answering my question re Jeffrey Monakana. I am very pleased that he is doing well with the DS. I think that he has a good future ahead of him and hope that he makes the first team soon.
[quote][p][bold]Grummitt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Major Bloodboil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Major Bloodboil[/bold] wrote: It is impossible to gauge what the team is going to be like this coming season until the transfer dealings have been concluded. Granted that the additions thus far have not set the heart a-beating, but it is still too early to make a reasoned judgment. Although I am a little sorry to see Ulloa go as he has a good goals to game ratio, to me he was a frustrating player as he was always falling over or moaning to the referee and he was not the swiftest of forwards. Therefore to sell him for £7M must be great business especially if we can get Becchio as a replacement. If this happens then I reckon that we will have got the better of the two deals. I just hope that we play more attacking football this coming season than we did last season which was truly boring for the most part. I have a feeling that CMS will have a great season. It all depends if we can if we play to his skills. I reckon we will.[/p][/quote]I agree, Major. I think Becchio and CMS would be a great combo as Becchio is much faster than Leo. Only trouble is that Watford and Leeds are also after him and Leeds need a McCormack replacement so it might push the price up a bit. I hope Becchio won't want to go back there. A front three of CMS, Becchio and a really fit Buckley would be great with Ward/Chicksen and Bruno/Calde crossing from the wings, don't you think?[/p][/quote]An attack like that one would certainly get the pulses racing CB. Here's hoping. To attack at a fast pace with swift forwards, that is what I would like to see and think we may see it. I hope that Chicksen can make the grade as his pace is electric and would assist us getting up the pitch quickly on the counter attack. One thing that is a bit disappointing is that Jeffrey Monakana hasn't been involved in the pre-season games. I liked the look of him as he was another pacey player in the KLL mode. Anyone know what has happened to him as he does not even appear anywhere that I can find on the Seagulls web site?[/p][/quote]Major, he went to Spain on the tour but only played with the DS guys. Got a good write up for the game they played against Cartagena, so he is still around but not pushing for a first team squad place as yet.[/p][/quote]Thank you Grummitt and ballantrrae for answering my question re Jeffrey Monakana. I am very pleased that he is doing well with the DS. I think that he has a good future ahead of him and hope that he makes the first team soon. Major Bloodboil
  • Score: 0

3:40am Sat 19 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

maakene wrote:
Let me start by saying that I have supported Albion since November 1979, when I watched them beat Nottingham Forest 1-0 in the old 1st Division on Norwegian TV, after a Peter Ward-goal. since that day, I have followed the club closely, and over the years learned to love it as I love a piece of marsipancake or a glass of whisky on a Friday night (God, now I really feel old...). Therefore it hurts me to post a negative mail, but in this case, I don't have a choise - except posting nothing at all ...
Since January BHA have lost no less than seven more or less key-players in Tomaz K, Matthew Upson, Liam Bridcutt, Leo ulloa, Andrea Olrandi, Stephen Ward, Ashley Barnes. what have they got in return? Aron Hughes. Experienced player, good record but maybe over the top.
The point is, if there is to be any credibility in the clubs ambitons to play in the PL, this mKes no sence. In order to reach PL, you have to invest, Which, by the way, Ulloa has pointed out.
I still hope for some big signings, but do I believe we will see them? afraid not. hope I'm proven wrong. Unless, it will be a tough season.
with respect, one can't, 'lose,' what one doesn't have to lose, loanees are not ours.
Bridcutt just about withdrew his labour when he handed in a transfer request, not much we could do about that.
Orlandi, a stylish players but constantly injured, a gamble to keep him.
TK made it very clear that he wanted prem football, he chose not to stay for that reason.
Ulloa wanted prem football and Leicester offered him his chance, should we have said no to just over 7 million for a player who wanted to go.
Barnes a decent player who had been chased by Burnley thru two windows, he too saw a chance for the top level and Brighton didn't stand in his way.

To your point of the club needing to invest, up to a point I agree, but who chould choose the players we invest in, Bloom, Burke or maybe Barber, but their track record of identifying players is not exactly first rate, perhaps Jones should have the job.

For me I would rather Hyypia takes the lead in whom we sign or borow, after all it is his neck on the chopping block if the fail to deliver. Hyypia has been with us for how long, just a matter of a few weeks. The first team to be assesed, the back up players to be assesed and the development squad. Would it not make sense to hold back on one's opinion as to how the squad is shaping up until it shape's up?

It might help you if you reserve your judgement until we have played six league matches, by then I would hope that the squad will have been formed and our results will give some indication of how well the players have adapted to Hyypia's style of play.
[quote][p][bold]maakene[/bold] wrote: Let me start by saying that I have supported Albion since November 1979, when I watched them beat Nottingham Forest 1-0 in the old 1st Division on Norwegian TV, after a Peter Ward-goal. since that day, I have followed the club closely, and over the years learned to love it as I love a piece of marsipancake or a glass of whisky on a Friday night (God, now I really feel old...). Therefore it hurts me to post a negative mail, but in this case, I don't have a choise - except posting nothing at all ... Since January BHA have lost no less than seven more or less key-players in Tomaz K, Matthew Upson, Liam Bridcutt, Leo ulloa, Andrea Olrandi, Stephen Ward, Ashley Barnes. what have they got in return? Aron Hughes. Experienced player, good record but maybe over the top. The point is, if there is to be any credibility in the clubs ambitons to play in the PL, this mKes no sence. In order to reach PL, you have to invest, Which, by the way, Ulloa has pointed out. I still hope for some big signings, but do I believe we will see them? afraid not. hope I'm proven wrong. Unless, it will be a tough season.[/p][/quote]with respect, one can't, 'lose,' what one doesn't have to lose, loanees are not ours. Bridcutt just about withdrew his labour when he handed in a transfer request, not much we could do about that. Orlandi, a stylish players but constantly injured, a gamble to keep him. TK made it very clear that he wanted prem football, he chose not to stay for that reason. Ulloa wanted prem football and Leicester offered him his chance, should we have said no to just over 7 million for a player who wanted to go. Barnes a decent player who had been chased by Burnley thru two windows, he too saw a chance for the top level and Brighton didn't stand in his way. To your point of the club needing to invest, up to a point I agree, but who chould choose the players we invest in, Bloom, Burke or maybe Barber, but their track record of identifying players is not exactly first rate, perhaps Jones should have the job. For me I would rather Hyypia takes the lead in whom we sign or borow, after all it is his neck on the chopping block if the fail to deliver. Hyypia has been with us for how long, just a matter of a few weeks. The first team to be assesed, the back up players to be assesed and the development squad. Would it not make sense to hold back on one's opinion as to how the squad is shaping up until it shape's up? It might help you if you reserve your judgement until we have played six league matches, by then I would hope that the squad will have been formed and our results will give some indication of how well the players have adapted to Hyypia's style of play. VegasSeagull
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9:53am Sat 19 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Maakene, it's a bit rich to list all the players we have 'lost' but then omit some of the signings. Have you already forgotten Toko and Stephens?
Maakene, it's a bit rich to list all the players we have 'lost' but then omit some of the signings. Have you already forgotten Toko and Stephens? Ex-pat Arnie
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