Ulloa fee could hit eight figures

Leo Ullo

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Albion could end up pocketing £10 million from the sale of Leo Ulloa to Leicester City.

The Seagulls will receive an £8 million downpayment for Ulloa’s move to the Foxes.

The bounty will potentially rise eventually to eight figures, depending on how many appearances the Argentinian makes and how successful he is with the Premier League newcomers.

Ulloa's switch to the East Midlands will be officially confirmed on Monday.

He said goodbye to his Albion team-mates and staff on Thursday night, when the Seagulls were beaten 3-1 by Real Betis in a friendly in Pinatar, before flying to another part of Spain to spend the weekend with family members.

Ulloa’s representatives, meanwhile, went to Leicester’s training camp in Austria for discussions on personal terms after the clubs had finally agreed a fee.

The loose ends will be tied up for Albion by chief executive Paul Barber, who is responsible for dealing with outgoing transfers.

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5:45am Sat 19 Jul 14

albionbloke says...

Wow......£8m+!! AlthoughI don't like to see him go, I have to admit that's a great bit of business. Credit where its due to TB and PB for negotiating a very sweet deal.
Wow......£8m+!! AlthoughI don't like to see him go, I have to admit that's a great bit of business. Credit where its due to TB and PB for negotiating a very sweet deal. albionbloke
  • Score: 61

6:11am Sat 19 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

Morning, well done Tony Bloom for officially robbing Leicester off 8million plus he must off had his poker face on winning this big deal for the Albion!!
Up the Albion!!
Morning, well done Tony Bloom for officially robbing Leicester off 8million plus he must off had his poker face on winning this big deal for the Albion!! Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 42

6:21am Sat 19 Jul 14

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

Good bye Leo, many thanks for your efforts in a BHAFC shirt and good luck for the future. Well done to the albion for getting the monies from Leicester, not bad bit of business. Let hope that some of the money goes to Sami to strengthen the squad and not lost amongst the running of the club. If this club wants success then the money needs to be made available. Im sure Tony Bloom sees this too
Good bye Leo, many thanks for your efforts in a BHAFC shirt and good luck for the future. Well done to the albion for getting the monies from Leicester, not bad bit of business. Let hope that some of the money goes to Sami to strengthen the squad and not lost amongst the running of the club. If this club wants success then the money needs to be made available. Im sure Tony Bloom sees this too Tony the tiger eastbourne
  • Score: 43

6:31am Sat 19 Jul 14

namgo49 says...

Good player, good attitude and will do well in the Premiership if he stays fit. We shall miss him!
Good player, good attitude and will do well in the Premiership if he stays fit. We shall miss him! namgo49
  • Score: 26

6:37am Sat 19 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem.
He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season.
Time will tell!
Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem. He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season. Time will tell! Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 22

7:15am Sat 19 Jul 14

hannover seagull says...

Great bit of business although it is never easy to see a player like Leo leave
Not 100% sure he will cut it in the premiership,fitness and stamina but I for one one wish him a bright future
By the way,does that mean we are now in profit?
Cheque book out now for a keeper please(not a loanee)
UTA...
Great bit of business although it is never easy to see a player like Leo leave Not 100% sure he will cut it in the premiership,fitness and stamina but I for one one wish him a bright future By the way,does that mean we are now in profit? Cheque book out now for a keeper please(not a loanee) UTA... hannover seagull
  • Score: 22

7:15am Sat 19 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem.
He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season.
Time will tell!
Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham?
The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players,
I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one.
The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support .
My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ?
Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem. He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season. Time will tell![/p][/quote]Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham? The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players, I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one. The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support . My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ? Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season! mark by the sea
  • Score: 22

7:26am Sat 19 Jul 14

brightonup says...

Mixed feelings!
I shall feel a bit sad when I see Ulloa 'unveiled' as a Leicester player - and I am sure he will do well for them.
Regards the fee of £8 million, that is only meaningful in terms of how much good it will do us. TB must be at his shrewdest. We are running out of time to sign up the players we need, and of course all potential selling clubs will know that - and know we have money
Mixed feelings! I shall feel a bit sad when I see Ulloa 'unveiled' as a Leicester player - and I am sure he will do well for them. Regards the fee of £8 million, that is only meaningful in terms of how much good it will do us. TB must be at his shrewdest. We are running out of time to sign up the players we need, and of course all potential selling clubs will know that - and know we have money brightonup
  • Score: 12

7:27am Sat 19 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem.
He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season.
Time will tell!
Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham?
The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players,
I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one.
The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support .
My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ?
Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season!
Oh I hope we're not going to have a run of comments about O'Grady being rubbish....
Now, before you reply and state that you didn't say O'Grady was 'rubbish' read what I said, and you'll see that neither did I regarding Leo. Whether or not he's better than Andy Carroll, or anyone else, is irrelevant, I simply offered an opinion that I don't think he's good enough to be a success in the Prem. My opinion.
Yes, he did do well for us in the Championship, but I stand by my view that we've got the best end of the deal - by far - in my book.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem. He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season. Time will tell![/p][/quote]Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham? The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players, I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one. The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support . My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ? Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season![/p][/quote]Oh I hope we're not going to have a run of comments about O'Grady being rubbish.... Now, before you reply and state that you didn't say O'Grady was 'rubbish' read what I said, and you'll see that neither did I regarding Leo. Whether or not he's better than Andy Carroll, or anyone else, is irrelevant, I simply offered an opinion that I don't think he's good enough to be a success in the Prem. My opinion. Yes, he did do well for us in the Championship, but I stand by my view that we've got the best end of the deal - by far - in my book. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 4

7:34am Sat 19 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem.
He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season.
Time will tell!
Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham?
The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players,
I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one.
The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support .
My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ?
Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season!
Oh I hope we're not going to have a run of comments about O'Grady being rubbish....
Now, before you reply and state that you didn't say O'Grady was 'rubbish' read what I said, and you'll see that neither did I regarding Leo. Whether or not he's better than Andy Carroll, or anyone else, is irrelevant, I simply offered an opinion that I don't think he's good enough to be a success in the Prem. My opinion.
Yes, he did do well for us in the Championship, but I stand by my view that we've got the best end of the deal - by far - in my book.
I was not looking for a argument , my point was he has never played in a attack minded side at the Albion , the one night he did he scored 4.
I imagine Grady will get his chance, I don't care who scores , but the football has to improve , last season was the most boring football for years, yes we could have gained promotion, but the excitement of tippy tappy by players not technically good enough to play it shone through.
I hope for 4-4-2 , or 4-3-3 ... But most of all a intent to score goals ..
Leicester ran away with the title playing for goals .
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem. He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season. Time will tell![/p][/quote]Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham? The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players, I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one. The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support . My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ? Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season![/p][/quote]Oh I hope we're not going to have a run of comments about O'Grady being rubbish.... Now, before you reply and state that you didn't say O'Grady was 'rubbish' read what I said, and you'll see that neither did I regarding Leo. Whether or not he's better than Andy Carroll, or anyone else, is irrelevant, I simply offered an opinion that I don't think he's good enough to be a success in the Prem. My opinion. Yes, he did do well for us in the Championship, but I stand by my view that we've got the best end of the deal - by far - in my book.[/p][/quote]I was not looking for a argument , my point was he has never played in a attack minded side at the Albion , the one night he did he scored 4. I imagine Grady will get his chance, I don't care who scores , but the football has to improve , last season was the most boring football for years, yes we could have gained promotion, but the excitement of tippy tappy by players not technically good enough to play it shone through. I hope for 4-4-2 , or 4-3-3 ... But most of all a intent to score goals .. Leicester ran away with the title playing for goals . mark by the sea
  • Score: 20

7:36am Sat 19 Jul 14

Quiterie says...

No one's going to say that Ulloa's rubbish. He's been a terrific player at championship level. Is he worth £8m, and will he be able to make the step up to premier league level? I'm not so sure. But I hope I'm wrong - because it will be worth an extra £2m to the club if he does do the business!

His departure will also have freed up a significant part of the wage bill. Bloom will ensure we get a more than adequate replacement. Exciting times!
No one's going to say that Ulloa's rubbish. He's been a terrific player at championship level. Is he worth £8m, and will he be able to make the step up to premier league level? I'm not so sure. But I hope I'm wrong - because it will be worth an extra £2m to the club if he does do the business! His departure will also have freed up a significant part of the wage bill. Bloom will ensure we get a more than adequate replacement. Exciting times! Quiterie
  • Score: 13

7:37am Sat 19 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem.
He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season.
Time will tell!
Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham?
The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players,
I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one.
The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support .
My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ?
Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season!
Oh I hope we're not going to have a run of comments about O'Grady being rubbish....
Now, before you reply and state that you didn't say O'Grady was 'rubbish' read what I said, and you'll see that neither did I regarding Leo. Whether or not he's better than Andy Carroll, or anyone else, is irrelevant, I simply offered an opinion that I don't think he's good enough to be a success in the Prem. My opinion.
Yes, he did do well for us in the Championship, but I stand by my view that we've got the best end of the deal - by far - in my book.
I was not looking for a argument , my point was he has never played in a attack minded side at the Albion , the one night he did he scored 4.
I imagine Grady will get his chance, I don't care who scores , but the football has to improve , last season was the most boring football for years, yes we could have gained promotion, but the excitement of tippy tappy by players not technically good enough to play it shone through.
I hope for 4-4-2 , or 4-3-3 ... But most of all a intent to score goals ..
Leicester ran away with the title playing for goals .
Can't disagree with any of that.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem. He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season. Time will tell![/p][/quote]Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham? The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players, I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one. The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support . My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ? Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season![/p][/quote]Oh I hope we're not going to have a run of comments about O'Grady being rubbish.... Now, before you reply and state that you didn't say O'Grady was 'rubbish' read what I said, and you'll see that neither did I regarding Leo. Whether or not he's better than Andy Carroll, or anyone else, is irrelevant, I simply offered an opinion that I don't think he's good enough to be a success in the Prem. My opinion. Yes, he did do well for us in the Championship, but I stand by my view that we've got the best end of the deal - by far - in my book.[/p][/quote]I was not looking for a argument , my point was he has never played in a attack minded side at the Albion , the one night he did he scored 4. I imagine Grady will get his chance, I don't care who scores , but the football has to improve , last season was the most boring football for years, yes we could have gained promotion, but the excitement of tippy tappy by players not technically good enough to play it shone through. I hope for 4-4-2 , or 4-3-3 ... But most of all a intent to score goals .. Leicester ran away with the title playing for goals .[/p][/quote]Can't disagree with any of that. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 4

7:37am Sat 19 Jul 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

OK - we've got the Foxes to pay well over the odds for Ulloa - makes up for us paying well over the odds for CMS. Now we've got to find a prolific goal scorer at championship level. Sorry but a 28 year old journeyman is not the answer.
If this is the level of signings to make the side 'competitive' then I'm sorry but it's not going to work. I feel it's going to be a long, hard season.
OK - we've got the Foxes to pay well over the odds for Ulloa - makes up for us paying well over the odds for CMS. Now we've got to find a prolific goal scorer at championship level. Sorry but a 28 year old journeyman is not the answer. If this is the level of signings to make the side 'competitive' then I'm sorry but it's not going to work. I feel it's going to be a long, hard season. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: -30

7:38am Sat 19 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem.
He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season.
Time will tell!
Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham?
The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players,
I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one.
The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support .
My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ?
Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season!
Oh I hope we're not going to have a run of comments about O'Grady being rubbish....
Now, before you reply and state that you didn't say O'Grady was 'rubbish' read what I said, and you'll see that neither did I regarding Leo. Whether or not he's better than Andy Carroll, or anyone else, is irrelevant, I simply offered an opinion that I don't think he's good enough to be a success in the Prem. My opinion.
Yes, he did do well for us in the Championship, but I stand by my view that we've got the best end of the deal - by far - in my book.
I was not looking for a argument , my point was he has never played in a attack minded side at the Albion , the one night he did he scored 4.
I imagine Grady will get his chance, I don't care who scores , but the football has to improve , last season was the most boring football for years, yes we could have gained promotion, but the excitement of tippy tappy by players not technically good enough to play it shone through.
I hope for 4-4-2 , or 4-3-3 ... But most of all a intent to score goals ..
Leicester ran away with the title playing for goals .
Had Leo played for Leicester last season he would have 30 plus in my opinion, would he now be on his way to a top ten club for 15-20 million?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem. He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season. Time will tell![/p][/quote]Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham? The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players, I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one. The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support . My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ? Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season![/p][/quote]Oh I hope we're not going to have a run of comments about O'Grady being rubbish.... Now, before you reply and state that you didn't say O'Grady was 'rubbish' read what I said, and you'll see that neither did I regarding Leo. Whether or not he's better than Andy Carroll, or anyone else, is irrelevant, I simply offered an opinion that I don't think he's good enough to be a success in the Prem. My opinion. Yes, he did do well for us in the Championship, but I stand by my view that we've got the best end of the deal - by far - in my book.[/p][/quote]I was not looking for a argument , my point was he has never played in a attack minded side at the Albion , the one night he did he scored 4. I imagine Grady will get his chance, I don't care who scores , but the football has to improve , last season was the most boring football for years, yes we could have gained promotion, but the excitement of tippy tappy by players not technically good enough to play it shone through. I hope for 4-4-2 , or 4-3-3 ... But most of all a intent to score goals .. Leicester ran away with the title playing for goals .[/p][/quote]Had Leo played for Leicester last season he would have 30 plus in my opinion, would he now be on his way to a top ten club for 15-20 million? mark by the sea
  • Score: 11

7:45am Sat 19 Jul 14

SMF20 says...

Good luck Leo. A really good player with many useful attributes to his game.... A gent too and someone who will be missed by both the Brighton fans and the players.

£8million though is a very large number and one that imho is just too good to turn down.
I'm really pleased that the Board stood their ground and made Leicester pay what WE wanted. Well done
I wish Leicester luck also.

I sincerely hope thAt a very large chunk of Leo's money will be made available for the signings that Hyypia wants.
He mentions wanting a winger... I wonder if we might approach Blackburn to get Conway back?
As long as Sami is making the final call then I'm hopeful that whoever we sign will be good for us.

Just read the other bread re COG and have to say that it certainly seems that the new guy has the right attitude.

This fee could change our season.

Uta
Good luck Leo. A really good player with many useful attributes to his game.... A gent too and someone who will be missed by both the Brighton fans and the players. £8million though is a very large number and one that imho is just too good to turn down. I'm really pleased that the Board stood their ground and made Leicester pay what WE wanted. Well done I wish Leicester luck also. I sincerely hope thAt a very large chunk of Leo's money will be made available for the signings that Hyypia wants. He mentions wanting a winger... I wonder if we might approach Blackburn to get Conway back? As long as Sami is making the final call then I'm hopeful that whoever we sign will be good for us. Just read the other bread re COG and have to say that it certainly seems that the new guy has the right attitude. This fee could change our season. Uta SMF20
  • Score: 16

7:53am Sat 19 Jul 14

Quiterie says...

In terms of a replacement I can see us going for Britt Assombalonga of Peterborough. Top scorer in League 1 with 24 goals. Born in the same place as Lua Lua and Nzuzi Toko. Young, hungry. Probably available for £3m/£4m. Previously out of our range. But with the Ulloa money I think we can get him.
In terms of a replacement I can see us going for Britt Assombalonga of Peterborough. Top scorer in League 1 with 24 goals. Born in the same place as Lua Lua and Nzuzi Toko. Young, hungry. Probably available for £3m/£4m. Previously out of our range. But with the Ulloa money I think we can get him. Quiterie
  • Score: 13

7:54am Sat 19 Jul 14

Far gull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem.
He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season.
Time will tell!
Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham?
The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players,
I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one.
The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support .
My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ?
Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season!
Oh I hope we're not going to have a run of comments about O'Grady being rubbish....
Now, before you reply and state that you didn't say O'Grady was 'rubbish' read what I said, and you'll see that neither did I regarding Leo. Whether or not he's better than Andy Carroll, or anyone else, is irrelevant, I simply offered an opinion that I don't think he's good enough to be a success in the Prem. My opinion.
Yes, he did do well for us in the Championship, but I stand by my view that we've got the best end of the deal - by far - in my book.
I was not looking for a argument , my point was he has never played in a attack minded side at the Albion , the one night he did he scored 4.
I imagine Grady will get his chance, I don't care who scores , but the football has to improve , last season was the most boring football for years, yes we could have gained promotion, but the excitement of tippy tappy by players not technically good enough to play it shone through.
I hope for 4-4-2 , or 4-3-3 ... But most of all a intent to score goals ..
Leicester ran away with the title playing for goals .
Had Leo played for Leicester last season he would have 30 plus in my opinion, would he now be on his way to a top ten club for 15-20 million?
Good observations. Wish Leo all the best, we are now financial sound for another 12 months. Interestingly Demba Ba sold by Chelsea for 4.5 ish.
This would have been a good bye for us to put bums on seats which right now is and must be a priority we have everything in place except on playing front.
I do wonder if the club being financially sound become an attractive option for an investor along side Tony B. This to me would seem lodgical next step. Tony should not have to totally support the club for ever.
If i had the money i would invest on a buisness front because we look like we are being run on sound financial lines albeit not fantasy football as we fans would dreamily like :-)
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem. He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season. Time will tell![/p][/quote]Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham? The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players, I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one. The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support . My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ? Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season![/p][/quote]Oh I hope we're not going to have a run of comments about O'Grady being rubbish.... Now, before you reply and state that you didn't say O'Grady was 'rubbish' read what I said, and you'll see that neither did I regarding Leo. Whether or not he's better than Andy Carroll, or anyone else, is irrelevant, I simply offered an opinion that I don't think he's good enough to be a success in the Prem. My opinion. Yes, he did do well for us in the Championship, but I stand by my view that we've got the best end of the deal - by far - in my book.[/p][/quote]I was not looking for a argument , my point was he has never played in a attack minded side at the Albion , the one night he did he scored 4. I imagine Grady will get his chance, I don't care who scores , but the football has to improve , last season was the most boring football for years, yes we could have gained promotion, but the excitement of tippy tappy by players not technically good enough to play it shone through. I hope for 4-4-2 , or 4-3-3 ... But most of all a intent to score goals .. Leicester ran away with the title playing for goals .[/p][/quote]Had Leo played for Leicester last season he would have 30 plus in my opinion, would he now be on his way to a top ten club for 15-20 million?[/p][/quote]Good observations. Wish Leo all the best, we are now financial sound for another 12 months. Interestingly Demba Ba sold by Chelsea for 4.5 ish. This would have been a good bye for us to put bums on seats which right now is and must be a priority we have everything in place except on playing front. I do wonder if the club being financially sound become an attractive option for an investor along side Tony B. This to me would seem lodgical next step. Tony should not have to totally support the club for ever. If i had the money i would invest on a buisness front because we look like we are being run on sound financial lines albeit not fantasy football as we fans would dreamily like :-) Far gull
  • Score: 7

7:58am Sat 19 Jul 14

klemaniac says...

Why do a lot of posters want a " BIG NAME ". If I remember rightly we got a striker from the then non-league team Burton Albion and he didn't turn out too bad and another from lowly Bristol Rovers and he wasn't bad either. For the uninitiated do the names Ward and Zamora ring a bell
Why do a lot of posters want a " BIG NAME ". If I remember rightly we got a striker from the then non-league team Burton Albion and he didn't turn out too bad and another from lowly Bristol Rovers and he wasn't bad either. For the uninitiated do the names Ward and Zamora ring a bell klemaniac
  • Score: 28

8:05am Sat 19 Jul 14

Baldseagull says...

Good luck to Ulloa, he will do well in the Prem if they get good crosses to him, I don't think we have ever had a striker better with his head.
Good luck to Ulloa, he will do well in the Prem if they get good crosses to him, I don't think we have ever had a striker better with his head. Baldseagull
  • Score: 9

8:05am Sat 19 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
OK - we've got the Foxes to pay well over the odds for Ulloa - makes up for us paying well over the odds for CMS. Now we've got to find a prolific goal scorer at championship level. Sorry but a 28 year old journeyman is not the answer.
If this is the level of signings to make the side 'competitive' then I'm sorry but it's not going to work. I feel it's going to be a long, hard season.
Morning, we didn't pay over the odds for CMS we paid what we agreed with Peterborough it's called transfer business, we ain't seen the best CMS yet,
That so called journeyman, or O'Grady to us fans who are pleased he's wearing our shirt, scored one less goal than Leo so what's your point about him, judge him at the end off the season, I saw him play away at Barnsley right handful you ask the defence that night he won everything in the air,
if you feel it's going to be a long season I suggest you get your left foot up and take a rest, my long season would be because we've done well and were in the playoffs!!
Up the Albion!!
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: OK - we've got the Foxes to pay well over the odds for Ulloa - makes up for us paying well over the odds for CMS. Now we've got to find a prolific goal scorer at championship level. Sorry but a 28 year old journeyman is not the answer. If this is the level of signings to make the side 'competitive' then I'm sorry but it's not going to work. I feel it's going to be a long, hard season.[/p][/quote]Morning, we didn't pay over the odds for CMS we paid what we agreed with Peterborough it's called transfer business, we ain't seen the best CMS yet, That so called journeyman, or O'Grady to us fans who are pleased he's wearing our shirt, scored one less goal than Leo so what's your point about him, judge him at the end off the season, I saw him play away at Barnsley right handful you ask the defence that night he won everything in the air, if you feel it's going to be a long season I suggest you get your left foot up and take a rest, my long season would be because we've done well and were in the playoffs!! Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 15

8:06am Sat 19 Jul 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

mark by the sea wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem.
He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season.
Time will tell!
Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham?
The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players,
I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one.
The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support .
My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ?
Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season!
Oh I hope we're not going to have a run of comments about O'Grady being rubbish....
Now, before you reply and state that you didn't say O'Grady was 'rubbish' read what I said, and you'll see that neither did I regarding Leo. Whether or not he's better than Andy Carroll, or anyone else, is irrelevant, I simply offered an opinion that I don't think he's good enough to be a success in the Prem. My opinion.
Yes, he did do well for us in the Championship, but I stand by my view that we've got the best end of the deal - by far - in my book.
I was not looking for a argument , my point was he has never played in a attack minded side at the Albion , the one night he did he scored 4.
I imagine Grady will get his chance, I don't care who scores , but the football has to improve , last season was the most boring football for years, yes we could have gained promotion, but the excitement of tippy tappy by players not technically good enough to play it shone through.
I hope for 4-4-2 , or 4-3-3 ... But most of all a intent to score goals ..
Leicester ran away with the title playing for goals .
Had Leo played for Leicester last season he would have 30 plus in my opinion, would he now be on his way to a top ten club for 15-20 million?
Sorry but do not get this "ifs" "buts" "maybe" supposition or whatever you like to call it but Leo was injured for some weeks so his goal tally for any team would have been reduced.So he may or may not have got injured with Leicester. Anyway he was an Albion player so let us concentrate on fact and not what might have been.At the end of the day the fee I believe was brilliant.Leo may get better service in the attacking area but will come up against better defenders so we shall see.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem. He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season. Time will tell![/p][/quote]Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham? The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players, I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one. The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support . My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ? Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season![/p][/quote]Oh I hope we're not going to have a run of comments about O'Grady being rubbish.... Now, before you reply and state that you didn't say O'Grady was 'rubbish' read what I said, and you'll see that neither did I regarding Leo. Whether or not he's better than Andy Carroll, or anyone else, is irrelevant, I simply offered an opinion that I don't think he's good enough to be a success in the Prem. My opinion. Yes, he did do well for us in the Championship, but I stand by my view that we've got the best end of the deal - by far - in my book.[/p][/quote]I was not looking for a argument , my point was he has never played in a attack minded side at the Albion , the one night he did he scored 4. I imagine Grady will get his chance, I don't care who scores , but the football has to improve , last season was the most boring football for years, yes we could have gained promotion, but the excitement of tippy tappy by players not technically good enough to play it shone through. I hope for 4-4-2 , or 4-3-3 ... But most of all a intent to score goals .. Leicester ran away with the title playing for goals .[/p][/quote]Had Leo played for Leicester last season he would have 30 plus in my opinion, would he now be on his way to a top ten club for 15-20 million?[/p][/quote]Sorry but do not get this "ifs" "buts" "maybe" supposition or whatever you like to call it but Leo was injured for some weeks so his goal tally for any team would have been reduced.So he may or may not have got injured with Leicester. Anyway he was an Albion player so let us concentrate on fact and not what might have been.At the end of the day the fee I believe was brilliant.Leo may get better service in the attacking area but will come up against better defenders so we shall see. SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 11

8:18am Sat 19 Jul 14

chris752 says...

Sad to see him go, UP THE ALBION
Sad to see him go, UP THE ALBION chris752
  • Score: 10

8:24am Sat 19 Jul 14

Baldseagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem.
He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season.
Time will tell!
Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham?
The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players,
I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one.
The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support .
My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ?
Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season!
I suspect Barnes would have wanted a few more quid over three years than O'Grady has settled for, but like you, I am not sure the club explored what it would take.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem. He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season. Time will tell![/p][/quote]Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham? The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players, I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one. The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support . My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ? Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season![/p][/quote]I suspect Barnes would have wanted a few more quid over three years than O'Grady has settled for, but like you, I am not sure the club explored what it would take. Baldseagull
  • Score: -3

8:26am Sat 19 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m.
Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?
It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m. Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -5

8:28am Sat 19 Jul 14

Beale32 says...

Good business All round.
good luck to the lad in the next chapter of his career. And you never know, if his doesn't perform he could end up back here on loan next season!!! 😌.

would like to see at least two more signings but the end of nxt week.
Good business All round. good luck to the lad in the next chapter of his career. And you never know, if his doesn't perform he could end up back here on loan next season!!! 😌. would like to see at least two more signings but the end of nxt week. Beale32
  • Score: 4

8:43am Sat 19 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

So the suits got even more money than they let on and thought they could palm us off with a journeyman like OGrady the footballing equivalent of a Christmas cracker toy. So much money yet so little spent on the squad, Bloom has a lot of explaining to do it appears.
So the suits got even more money than they let on and thought they could palm us off with a journeyman like OGrady the footballing equivalent of a Christmas cracker toy. So much money yet so little spent on the squad, Bloom has a lot of explaining to do it appears. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -33

8:44am Sat 19 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

SeagullOverSelsey wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem.
He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season.
Time will tell!
Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham?
The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players,
I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one.
The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support .
My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ?
Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season!
Oh I hope we're not going to have a run of comments about O'Grady being rubbish....
Now, before you reply and state that you didn't say O'Grady was 'rubbish' read what I said, and you'll see that neither did I regarding Leo. Whether or not he's better than Andy Carroll, or anyone else, is irrelevant, I simply offered an opinion that I don't think he's good enough to be a success in the Prem. My opinion.
Yes, he did do well for us in the Championship, but I stand by my view that we've got the best end of the deal - by far - in my book.
I was not looking for a argument , my point was he has never played in a attack minded side at the Albion , the one night he did he scored 4.
I imagine Grady will get his chance, I don't care who scores , but the football has to improve , last season was the most boring football for years, yes we could have gained promotion, but the excitement of tippy tappy by players not technically good enough to play it shone through.
I hope for 4-4-2 , or 4-3-3 ... But most of all a intent to score goals ..
Leicester ran away with the title playing for goals .
Had Leo played for Leicester last season he would have 30 plus in my opinion, would he now be on his way to a top ten club for 15-20 million?
Sorry but do not get this "ifs" "buts" "maybe" supposition or whatever you like to call it but Leo was injured for some weeks so his goal tally for any team would have been reduced.So he may or may not have got injured with Leicester. Anyway he was an Albion player so let us concentrate on fact and not what might have been.At the end of the day the fee I believe was brilliant.Leo may get better service in the attacking area but will come up against better defenders so we shall see.
Fact is he scored one in two games in a defensive side, 99% of what people write on here is opinion , you believe the fee was brilliant ? Is that maybe? As we have not seen him play in a attacking side.
[quote][p][bold]SeagullOverSelsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem. He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season. Time will tell![/p][/quote]Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham? The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players, I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one. The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support . My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ? Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season![/p][/quote]Oh I hope we're not going to have a run of comments about O'Grady being rubbish.... Now, before you reply and state that you didn't say O'Grady was 'rubbish' read what I said, and you'll see that neither did I regarding Leo. Whether or not he's better than Andy Carroll, or anyone else, is irrelevant, I simply offered an opinion that I don't think he's good enough to be a success in the Prem. My opinion. Yes, he did do well for us in the Championship, but I stand by my view that we've got the best end of the deal - by far - in my book.[/p][/quote]I was not looking for a argument , my point was he has never played in a attack minded side at the Albion , the one night he did he scored 4. I imagine Grady will get his chance, I don't care who scores , but the football has to improve , last season was the most boring football for years, yes we could have gained promotion, but the excitement of tippy tappy by players not technically good enough to play it shone through. I hope for 4-4-2 , or 4-3-3 ... But most of all a intent to score goals .. Leicester ran away with the title playing for goals .[/p][/quote]Had Leo played for Leicester last season he would have 30 plus in my opinion, would he now be on his way to a top ten club for 15-20 million?[/p][/quote]Sorry but do not get this "ifs" "buts" "maybe" supposition or whatever you like to call it but Leo was injured for some weeks so his goal tally for any team would have been reduced.So he may or may not have got injured with Leicester. Anyway he was an Albion player so let us concentrate on fact and not what might have been.At the end of the day the fee I believe was brilliant.Leo may get better service in the attacking area but will come up against better defenders so we shall see.[/p][/quote]Fact is he scored one in two games in a defensive side, 99% of what people write on here is opinion , you believe the fee was brilliant ? Is that maybe? As we have not seen him play in a attacking side. mark by the sea
  • Score: 4

8:46am Sat 19 Jul 14

arc12 says...

Hopefully at least £1m or £2m of this will be made available to Sammi. I appreciate most will go to clear debts but I'm sure a couple of million could be used wisely by Sammi.
Hopefully at least £1m or £2m of this will be made available to Sammi. I appreciate most will go to clear debts but I'm sure a couple of million could be used wisely by Sammi. arc12
  • Score: 2

8:49am Sat 19 Jul 14

mikeygit says...

Agree good bit of business. I guess some will be put in the kitty for replacement players and the rest to reduce our debt??
Agree good bit of business. I guess some will be put in the kitty for replacement players and the rest to reduce our debt?? mikeygit
  • Score: 2

8:58am Sat 19 Jul 14

keswick says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
OK - we've got the Foxes to pay well over the odds for Ulloa - makes up for us paying well over the odds for CMS. Now we've got to find a prolific goal scorer at championship level. Sorry but a 28 year old journeyman is not the answer.
If this is the level of signings to make the side 'competitive' then I'm sorry but it's not going to work. I feel it's going to be a long, hard season.
Then don't bother going then.
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: OK - we've got the Foxes to pay well over the odds for Ulloa - makes up for us paying well over the odds for CMS. Now we've got to find a prolific goal scorer at championship level. Sorry but a 28 year old journeyman is not the answer. If this is the level of signings to make the side 'competitive' then I'm sorry but it's not going to work. I feel it's going to be a long, hard season.[/p][/quote]Then don't bother going then. keswick
  • Score: 15

9:10am Sat 19 Jul 14

The Phantom says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m.
Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?
Maybe in terms of rough counting Brighton's figure is including the VAT and Leicester's isn't?

Looks a really good price for Ulloa and suspect it has gone up a couple of million because of McCormack going for approx 11M. Ulloa was a top player for us with great strength, good aerial ability (especially in the penalty area) and generally good hold up play. Will potentially benefit from a more direct style of play and a higher tempo. Has some faults as well but think he can be a really solid signing for Leicester, probably getting into double figures and proving a strong and effective team player.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m. Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?[/p][/quote]Maybe in terms of rough counting Brighton's figure is including the VAT and Leicester's isn't? Looks a really good price for Ulloa and suspect it has gone up a couple of million because of McCormack going for approx 11M. Ulloa was a top player for us with great strength, good aerial ability (especially in the penalty area) and generally good hold up play. Will potentially benefit from a more direct style of play and a higher tempo. Has some faults as well but think he can be a really solid signing for Leicester, probably getting into double figures and proving a strong and effective team player. The Phantom
  • Score: 11

9:12am Sat 19 Jul 14

Justin says...

mikeygit wrote:
Agree good bit of business. I guess some will be put in the kitty for replacement players and the rest to reduce our debt??
Although the club made a trading loss I think it was fully funded by TB so the club doesn't have any debt. But we do need to stay compliant with FFP because it's the responsible way to run a football club.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Agree good bit of business. I guess some will be put in the kitty for replacement players and the rest to reduce our debt??[/p][/quote]Although the club made a trading loss I think it was fully funded by TB so the club doesn't have any debt. But we do need to stay compliant with FFP because it's the responsible way to run a football club. Justin
  • Score: 9

9:18am Sat 19 Jul 14

Justin says...

The Phantom wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m.
Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?
Maybe in terms of rough counting Brighton's figure is including the VAT and Leicester's isn't?

Looks a really good price for Ulloa and suspect it has gone up a couple of million because of McCormack going for approx 11M. Ulloa was a top player for us with great strength, good aerial ability (especially in the penalty area) and generally good hold up play. Will potentially benefit from a more direct style of play and a higher tempo. Has some faults as well but think he can be a really solid signing for Leicester, probably getting into double figures and proving a strong and effective team player.
I gave you a thumbs up because you made good points abiut Leo, so forgive me for pointing out there's no VAT on transactions between businesses.
[quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m. Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?[/p][/quote]Maybe in terms of rough counting Brighton's figure is including the VAT and Leicester's isn't? Looks a really good price for Ulloa and suspect it has gone up a couple of million because of McCormack going for approx 11M. Ulloa was a top player for us with great strength, good aerial ability (especially in the penalty area) and generally good hold up play. Will potentially benefit from a more direct style of play and a higher tempo. Has some faults as well but think he can be a really solid signing for Leicester, probably getting into double figures and proving a strong and effective team player.[/p][/quote]I gave you a thumbs up because you made good points abiut Leo, so forgive me for pointing out there's no VAT on transactions between businesses. Justin
  • Score: 3

9:19am Sat 19 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Off topic ,

Rumours site has us taking Elliot Grandin within a few hours !
Just went through everything I can find on him ,and it looks like he has a real attitude problem ,he certainly ticked Carrot off while at Blackpool !.
Off topic , Rumours site has us taking Elliot Grandin within a few hours ! Just went through everything I can find on him ,and it looks like he has a real attitude problem ,he certainly ticked Carrot off while at Blackpool !. tug509
  • Score: 1

9:24am Sat 19 Jul 14

Cap'n Pugwash says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
OK - we've got the Foxes to pay well over the odds for Ulloa - makes up for us paying well over the odds for CMS. Now we've got to find a prolific goal scorer at championship level. Sorry but a 28 year old journeyman is not the answer.
If this is the level of signings to make the side 'competitive' then I'm sorry but it's not going to work. I feel it's going to be a long, hard season.
Yet another 'journeyman' comment about a player that I'd wager you know the square root of eff all about. Go on NSC to see a video posted by a Barnsley supporter you might change your opinion. Thinking about it, you probably won't because you are a serial moaner on here.

Why don't you wait until you've seen him play a few times before writing him off? That's a novel idea don't you think?

As for your 'journeyman' dig, a certain Glen Murray could be described as a 'journeyman'. Not done bad for himself has he?
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: OK - we've got the Foxes to pay well over the odds for Ulloa - makes up for us paying well over the odds for CMS. Now we've got to find a prolific goal scorer at championship level. Sorry but a 28 year old journeyman is not the answer. If this is the level of signings to make the side 'competitive' then I'm sorry but it's not going to work. I feel it's going to be a long, hard season.[/p][/quote]Yet another 'journeyman' comment about a player that I'd wager you know the square root of eff all about. Go on NSC to see a video posted by a Barnsley supporter you might change your opinion. Thinking about it, you probably won't because you are a serial moaner on here. Why don't you wait until you've seen him play a few times before writing him off? That's a novel idea don't you think? As for your 'journeyman' dig, a certain Glen Murray could be described as a 'journeyman'. Not done bad for himself has he? Cap'n Pugwash
  • Score: 24

9:42am Sat 19 Jul 14

Matthews1986 says...

I hope every one knows that we will not be able to get a replacement for him with any class striker.
I hope every one knows that we will not be able to get a replacement for him with any class striker. Matthews1986
  • Score: -10

9:44am Sat 19 Jul 14

SMF20 says...

Justin wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
Agree good bit of business. I guess some will be put in the kitty for replacement players and the rest to reduce our debt??
Although the club made a trading loss I think it was fully funded by TB so the club doesn't have any debt. But we do need to stay compliant with FFP because it's the responsible way to run a football club.
I think you are both right guys. Mr barber has said more than once though that we don't need to sell to be on target to hit FFP benchmarks. With this in mind I would hope that a bit more than 1 or 2 million will be reinvested into the squad.
I could accept the Barnes/Bridcutt fees going in to the pot but after Mr B's statement I would expect us to show a bit of ambition now.

Uta
[quote][p][bold]Justin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Agree good bit of business. I guess some will be put in the kitty for replacement players and the rest to reduce our debt??[/p][/quote]Although the club made a trading loss I think it was fully funded by TB so the club doesn't have any debt. But we do need to stay compliant with FFP because it's the responsible way to run a football club.[/p][/quote]I think you are both right guys. Mr barber has said more than once though that we don't need to sell to be on target to hit FFP benchmarks. With this in mind I would hope that a bit more than 1 or 2 million will be reinvested into the squad. I could accept the Barnes/Bridcutt fees going in to the pot but after Mr B's statement I would expect us to show a bit of ambition now. Uta SMF20
  • Score: 11

9:46am Sat 19 Jul 14

Level4242 says...

Justin wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m.
Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?Maybe in terms of rough counting Brighton's figure is including the VAT and Leicester's isn't?

Looks a really good price for Ulloa and suspect it has gone up a couple of million because of McCormack going for approx 11M. Ulloa was a top player for us with great strength, good aerial ability (especially in the penalty area) and generally good hold up play. Will potentially benefit from a more direct style of play and a higher tempo. Has some faults as well but think he can be a really solid signing for Leicester, probably getting into double figures and proving a strong and effective team player.I gave you a thumbs up because you made good points abiut Leo, so forgive me for pointing out there's no VAT on transactions between businesses.I gave you a thumbs up because you made good points abiut Leo, so forgive me for pointing out there's no VAT on transactions between businesses.

Forgive me for pointing out that of course VAT registered businesses have to charge each other VAT on taxable supplies. The ability of the buyer to claim it back doesn't alter the fact that it has to be charged by the seller and paid by the buyer.
[quote][p][bold]Justin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m. Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?[/p][/quote]Maybe in terms of rough counting Brighton's figure is including the VAT and Leicester's isn't? Looks a really good price for Ulloa and suspect it has gone up a couple of million because of McCormack going for approx 11M. Ulloa was a top player for us with great strength, good aerial ability (especially in the penalty area) and generally good hold up play. Will potentially benefit from a more direct style of play and a higher tempo. Has some faults as well but think he can be a really solid signing for Leicester, probably getting into double figures and proving a strong and effective team player.[/p][/quote]I gave you a thumbs up because you made good points abiut Leo, so forgive me for pointing out there's no VAT on transactions between businesses.[/p][/quote][/quote]I gave you a thumbs up because you made good points abiut Leo, so forgive me for pointing out there's no VAT on transactions between businesses. Forgive me for pointing out that of course VAT registered businesses have to charge each other VAT on taxable supplies. The ability of the buyer to claim it back doesn't alter the fact that it has to be charged by the seller and paid by the buyer. Level4242
  • Score: 5

9:46am Sat 19 Jul 14

Cap'n Pugwash says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
So the suits got even more money than they let on and thought they could palm us off with a journeyman like OGrady the footballing equivalent of a Christmas cracker toy. So much money yet so little spent on the squad, Bloom has a lot of explaining to do it appears.
You really are a saddo. What do you do every day-post your usual ****, wait until you get a few bites then knock one out as you read the responses?

Sad, sad little man.
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: So the suits got even more money than they let on and thought they could palm us off with a journeyman like OGrady the footballing equivalent of a Christmas cracker toy. So much money yet so little spent on the squad, Bloom has a lot of explaining to do it appears.[/p][/quote]You really are a saddo. What do you do every day-post your usual ****, wait until you get a few bites then knock one out as you read the responses? Sad, sad little man. Cap'n Pugwash
  • Score: 14

9:50am Sat 19 Jul 14

Max Ripple says...

Far gull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem.
He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season.
Time will tell!
Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham?
The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players,
I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one.
The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support .
My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ?
Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season!
Oh I hope we're not going to have a run of comments about O'Grady being rubbish....
Now, before you reply and state that you didn't say O'Grady was 'rubbish' read what I said, and you'll see that neither did I regarding Leo. Whether or not he's better than Andy Carroll, or anyone else, is irrelevant, I simply offered an opinion that I don't think he's good enough to be a success in the Prem. My opinion.
Yes, he did do well for us in the Championship, but I stand by my view that we've got the best end of the deal - by far - in my book.
I was not looking for a argument , my point was he has never played in a attack minded side at the Albion , the one night he did he scored 4.
I imagine Grady will get his chance, I don't care who scores , but the football has to improve , last season was the most boring football for years, yes we could have gained promotion, but the excitement of tippy tappy by players not technically good enough to play it shone through.
I hope for 4-4-2 , or 4-3-3 ... But most of all a intent to score goals ..
Leicester ran away with the title playing for goals .
Had Leo played for Leicester last season he would have 30 plus in my opinion, would he now be on his way to a top ten club for 15-20 million?
Good observations. Wish Leo all the best, we are now financial sound for another 12 months. Interestingly Demba Ba sold by Chelsea for 4.5 ish.
This would have been a good bye for us to put bums on seats which right now is and must be a priority we have everything in place except on playing front.
I do wonder if the club being financially sound become an attractive option for an investor along side Tony B. This to me would seem lodgical next step. Tony should not have to totally support the club for ever.
If i had the money i would invest on a buisness front because we look like we are being run on sound financial lines albeit not fantasy football as we fans would dreamily like :-)
We might have been able to buy Demba Ba for £4.5ish but would we have been able to pay his wages? I think not. Probably one reason why Chelsea got shot of him. Some players look cheap at first glance but when it comes down to the nitty gritty of wages that's where we have to keep a slightly tighter hold of the reins. The difference between £8-10k per week and £20-30k is not inconsiderable. Some of those "big name" players have been overpaid for too long and they don't want to come down to our level. Ask yourself why Ward is not here yet? And he's only looking for £3k a week over our odds apparently.

Let's not return to the bad old days.
UTA!
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem. He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season. Time will tell![/p][/quote]Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham? The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players, I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one. The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support . My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ? Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season![/p][/quote]Oh I hope we're not going to have a run of comments about O'Grady being rubbish.... Now, before you reply and state that you didn't say O'Grady was 'rubbish' read what I said, and you'll see that neither did I regarding Leo. Whether or not he's better than Andy Carroll, or anyone else, is irrelevant, I simply offered an opinion that I don't think he's good enough to be a success in the Prem. My opinion. Yes, he did do well for us in the Championship, but I stand by my view that we've got the best end of the deal - by far - in my book.[/p][/quote]I was not looking for a argument , my point was he has never played in a attack minded side at the Albion , the one night he did he scored 4. I imagine Grady will get his chance, I don't care who scores , but the football has to improve , last season was the most boring football for years, yes we could have gained promotion, but the excitement of tippy tappy by players not technically good enough to play it shone through. I hope for 4-4-2 , or 4-3-3 ... But most of all a intent to score goals .. Leicester ran away with the title playing for goals .[/p][/quote]Had Leo played for Leicester last season he would have 30 plus in my opinion, would he now be on his way to a top ten club for 15-20 million?[/p][/quote]Good observations. Wish Leo all the best, we are now financial sound for another 12 months. Interestingly Demba Ba sold by Chelsea for 4.5 ish. This would have been a good bye for us to put bums on seats which right now is and must be a priority we have everything in place except on playing front. I do wonder if the club being financially sound become an attractive option for an investor along side Tony B. This to me would seem lodgical next step. Tony should not have to totally support the club for ever. If i had the money i would invest on a buisness front because we look like we are being run on sound financial lines albeit not fantasy football as we fans would dreamily like :-)[/p][/quote]We might have been able to buy Demba Ba for £4.5ish but would we have been able to pay his wages? I think not. Probably one reason why Chelsea got shot of him. Some players look cheap at first glance but when it comes down to the nitty gritty of wages that's where we have to keep a slightly tighter hold of the reins. The difference between £8-10k per week and £20-30k is not inconsiderable. Some of those "big name" players have been overpaid for too long and they don't want to come down to our level. Ask yourself why Ward is not here yet? And he's only looking for £3k a week over our odds apparently. Let's not return to the bad old days. UTA! Max Ripple
  • Score: 5

9:51am Sat 19 Jul 14

SMF20 says...

tug509 wrote:
Off topic ,

Rumours site has us taking Elliot Grandin within a few hours !
Just went through everything I can find on him ,and it looks like he has a real attitude problem ,he certainly ticked Carrot off while at Blackpool !.
Agree Tug. His history suggests that he was another youngster with talent that has got a bit to big for his boots.
He only played 7 times last season for what I thought was a very poor Blackpool team.
Bring back Dobbie and give him a chance this time :)

Uta
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Off topic , Rumours site has us taking Elliot Grandin within a few hours ! Just went through everything I can find on him ,and it looks like he has a real attitude problem ,he certainly ticked Carrot off while at Blackpool !.[/p][/quote]Agree Tug. His history suggests that he was another youngster with talent that has got a bit to big for his boots. He only played 7 times last season for what I thought was a very poor Blackpool team. Bring back Dobbie and give him a chance this time :) Uta SMF20
  • Score: -5

9:52am Sat 19 Jul 14

mark5 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem.
He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season.
Time will tell!
Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham?
The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players,
I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one.
The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support .
My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ?
Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season!
Yes agree with all you say Mark. In my opinion, both Leo and CMS were let down by Gus particularly, in terms of the way they were both played. The lone striker role suits neither of them, so, in reality they did pretty well with the goals they did score. While I think that the sale is superb business for the club and handled exceptionally well, Leo will do better than many think as his new club will play him to his strengths which we did not. I fervently hope that CMS gets to play a better way for him under Sami and I believe he will.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem. He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season. Time will tell![/p][/quote]Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham? The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players, I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one. The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support . My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ? Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season![/p][/quote]Yes agree with all you say Mark. In my opinion, both Leo and CMS were let down by Gus particularly, in terms of the way they were both played. The lone striker role suits neither of them, so, in reality they did pretty well with the goals they did score. While I think that the sale is superb business for the club and handled exceptionally well, Leo will do better than many think as his new club will play him to his strengths which we did not. I fervently hope that CMS gets to play a better way for him under Sami and I believe he will. mark5
  • Score: 6

9:55am Sat 19 Jul 14

blueskiesfromnowon says...

arc12 wrote:
Hopefully at least £1m or £2m of this will be made available to Sammi. I appreciate most will go to clear debts but I'm sure a couple of million could be used wisely by Sammi.
As it was stated by the club a few weeks ago that we didn't need to sell Leo and we didn't need the money, then let's hope this money is treated as a happy windfall and ALL of it is spent on improving the squad.
[quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: Hopefully at least £1m or £2m of this will be made available to Sammi. I appreciate most will go to clear debts but I'm sure a couple of million could be used wisely by Sammi.[/p][/quote]As it was stated by the club a few weeks ago that we didn't need to sell Leo and we didn't need the money, then let's hope this money is treated as a happy windfall and ALL of it is spent on improving the squad. blueskiesfromnowon
  • Score: 6

9:57am Sat 19 Jul 14

The Phantom says...

Justin wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m.
Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?
Maybe in terms of rough counting Brighton's figure is including the VAT and Leicester's isn't?

Looks a really good price for Ulloa and suspect it has gone up a couple of million because of McCormack going for approx 11M. Ulloa was a top player for us with great strength, good aerial ability (especially in the penalty area) and generally good hold up play. Will potentially benefit from a more direct style of play and a higher tempo. Has some faults as well but think he can be a really solid signing for Leicester, probably getting into double figures and proving a strong and effective team player.
I gave you a thumbs up because you made good points abiut Leo, so forgive me for pointing out there's no VAT on transactions between businesses.
Thanks for the thumbs up......sorry but you are incorrect, there is VAT on supplies between businesses - in this instance the standard rate of VAT would apply.
[quote][p][bold]Justin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m. Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?[/p][/quote]Maybe in terms of rough counting Brighton's figure is including the VAT and Leicester's isn't? Looks a really good price for Ulloa and suspect it has gone up a couple of million because of McCormack going for approx 11M. Ulloa was a top player for us with great strength, good aerial ability (especially in the penalty area) and generally good hold up play. Will potentially benefit from a more direct style of play and a higher tempo. Has some faults as well but think he can be a really solid signing for Leicester, probably getting into double figures and proving a strong and effective team player.[/p][/quote]I gave you a thumbs up because you made good points abiut Leo, so forgive me for pointing out there's no VAT on transactions between businesses.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the thumbs up......sorry but you are incorrect, there is VAT on supplies between businesses - in this instance the standard rate of VAT would apply. The Phantom
  • Score: 2

9:59am Sat 19 Jul 14

SMF20 says...

Couldn't have said it better myself Mark5.

I think that both Leo and Craig were hindered by our set up every game. I fully expect Leo to thrive in a team set up to play as Leicester do and I sincerely hope that Sami lines us up in a way that will suit Craig's games. The guy is for me, a 20 goal a season striker.
Id have said the same about Murray though. I genuinely believe that had we have kept him then we would of gone up the season that CP did... automatically too.
Couldn't have said it better myself Mark5. I think that both Leo and Craig were hindered by our set up every game. I fully expect Leo to thrive in a team set up to play as Leicester do and I sincerely hope that Sami lines us up in a way that will suit Craig's games. The guy is for me, a 20 goal a season striker. Id have said the same about Murray though. I genuinely believe that had we have kept him then we would of gone up the season that CP did... automatically too. SMF20
  • Score: 2

10:01am Sat 19 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

Max Ripple wrote:
Far gull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem.
He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season.
Time will tell!
Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham?
The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players,
I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one.
The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support .
My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ?
Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season!
Oh I hope we're not going to have a run of comments about O'Grady being rubbish....
Now, before you reply and state that you didn't say O'Grady was 'rubbish' read what I said, and you'll see that neither did I regarding Leo. Whether or not he's better than Andy Carroll, or anyone else, is irrelevant, I simply offered an opinion that I don't think he's good enough to be a success in the Prem. My opinion.
Yes, he did do well for us in the Championship, but I stand by my view that we've got the best end of the deal - by far - in my book.
I was not looking for a argument , my point was he has never played in a attack minded side at the Albion , the one night he did he scored 4.
I imagine Grady will get his chance, I don't care who scores , but the football has to improve , last season was the most boring football for years, yes we could have gained promotion, but the excitement of tippy tappy by players not technically good enough to play it shone through.
I hope for 4-4-2 , or 4-3-3 ... But most of all a intent to score goals ..
Leicester ran away with the title playing for goals .
Had Leo played for Leicester last season he would have 30 plus in my opinion, would he now be on his way to a top ten club for 15-20 million?
Good observations. Wish Leo all the best, we are now financial sound for another 12 months. Interestingly Demba Ba sold by Chelsea for 4.5 ish.
This would have been a good bye for us to put bums on seats which right now is and must be a priority we have everything in place except on playing front.
I do wonder if the club being financially sound become an attractive option for an investor along side Tony B. This to me would seem lodgical next step. Tony should not have to totally support the club for ever.
If i had the money i would invest on a buisness front because we look like we are being run on sound financial lines albeit not fantasy football as we fans would dreamily like :-)
We might have been able to buy Demba Ba for £4.5ish but would we have been able to pay his wages? I think not. Probably one reason why Chelsea got shot of him. Some players look cheap at first glance but when it comes down to the nitty gritty of wages that's where we have to keep a slightly tighter hold of the reins. The difference between £8-10k per week and £20-30k is not inconsiderable. Some of those "big name" players have been overpaid for too long and they don't want to come down to our level. Ask yourself why Ward is not here yet? And he's only looking for £3k a week over our odds apparently.

Let's not return to the bad old days.
UTA!
I think ward will return on loan, the guy is costing wolves 13k a week and they want 100k for him! They may take 100k loan fee from us and pay 3k a week , I know that sounds crazy, but his wages will eat that 100k in no time.
I suppose it's then down to Ward to accept 13k a week and first team football rather than train with youth team at wolves!
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem. He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season. Time will tell![/p][/quote]Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham? The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players, I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one. The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support . My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ? Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season![/p][/quote]Oh I hope we're not going to have a run of comments about O'Grady being rubbish.... Now, before you reply and state that you didn't say O'Grady was 'rubbish' read what I said, and you'll see that neither did I regarding Leo. Whether or not he's better than Andy Carroll, or anyone else, is irrelevant, I simply offered an opinion that I don't think he's good enough to be a success in the Prem. My opinion. Yes, he did do well for us in the Championship, but I stand by my view that we've got the best end of the deal - by far - in my book.[/p][/quote]I was not looking for a argument , my point was he has never played in a attack minded side at the Albion , the one night he did he scored 4. I imagine Grady will get his chance, I don't care who scores , but the football has to improve , last season was the most boring football for years, yes we could have gained promotion, but the excitement of tippy tappy by players not technically good enough to play it shone through. I hope for 4-4-2 , or 4-3-3 ... But most of all a intent to score goals .. Leicester ran away with the title playing for goals .[/p][/quote]Had Leo played for Leicester last season he would have 30 plus in my opinion, would he now be on his way to a top ten club for 15-20 million?[/p][/quote]Good observations. Wish Leo all the best, we are now financial sound for another 12 months. Interestingly Demba Ba sold by Chelsea for 4.5 ish. This would have been a good bye for us to put bums on seats which right now is and must be a priority we have everything in place except on playing front. I do wonder if the club being financially sound become an attractive option for an investor along side Tony B. This to me would seem lodgical next step. Tony should not have to totally support the club for ever. If i had the money i would invest on a buisness front because we look like we are being run on sound financial lines albeit not fantasy football as we fans would dreamily like :-)[/p][/quote]We might have been able to buy Demba Ba for £4.5ish but would we have been able to pay his wages? I think not. Probably one reason why Chelsea got shot of him. Some players look cheap at first glance but when it comes down to the nitty gritty of wages that's where we have to keep a slightly tighter hold of the reins. The difference between £8-10k per week and £20-30k is not inconsiderable. Some of those "big name" players have been overpaid for too long and they don't want to come down to our level. Ask yourself why Ward is not here yet? And he's only looking for £3k a week over our odds apparently. Let's not return to the bad old days. UTA![/p][/quote]I think ward will return on loan, the guy is costing wolves 13k a week and they want 100k for him! They may take 100k loan fee from us and pay 3k a week , I know that sounds crazy, but his wages will eat that 100k in no time. I suppose it's then down to Ward to accept 13k a week and first team football rather than train with youth team at wolves! mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

10:09am Sat 19 Jul 14

AlastairWatts says...

You can't blame him for going: last season for him was really a disaster - poor management from Garcia, an injury and he never seemed to get the service a thrusting centre forward like him should have received. Just look at his goal against Forest for an example of how things should have been. Trouble is, I can't seem him doing much more than sit on the bench at Leicester. They already have an established strike force which, after all, got them out of the Championship, so where exactly is he going to fit in? What a pity - a nice, uncomplicated young family man who did his best for Albion. And a pity for the club too: I thought that he is an excellent goalscorer who, with CMS, might have really done something this yerr sans Garcia.
You can't blame him for going: last season for him was really a disaster - poor management from Garcia, an injury and he never seemed to get the service a thrusting centre forward like him should have received. Just look at his goal against Forest for an example of how things should have been. Trouble is, I can't seem him doing much more than sit on the bench at Leicester. They already have an established strike force which, after all, got them out of the Championship, so where exactly is he going to fit in? What a pity - a nice, uncomplicated young family man who did his best for Albion. And a pity for the club too: I thought that he is an excellent goalscorer who, with CMS, might have really done something this yerr sans Garcia. AlastairWatts
  • Score: 5

10:12am Sat 19 Jul 14

SMF20 says...

Take a look at this from NSC. A video put together by a Barnsley supporter on our latest signing.

http://www.northstan
dchat.com/showthread
.php?305206-COG-The-
BFC-lowdown-(as-prom
ised)

UTA
Take a look at this from NSC. A video put together by a Barnsley supporter on our latest signing. http://www.northstan dchat.com/showthread .php?305206-COG-The- BFC-lowdown-(as-prom ised) UTA SMF20
  • Score: 5

10:17am Sat 19 Jul 14

Seagulls via LCFC says...

At least he's going to my other team!! (went to first game in 1964 at Filbert Street), and we got £8 million. Its a win win for me! Sorry to see him go as he played really well under trying times. Agree with earlier posts about a lack of forward play and so he was not able to shine as much as he could have done. We need a more attacking line up and style of play. Last season was full of poor and sometimes boring football. The away win at Leicester was one of the exceptions.
At least he's going to my other team!! (went to first game in 1964 at Filbert Street), and we got £8 million. Its a win win for me! Sorry to see him go as he played really well under trying times. Agree with earlier posts about a lack of forward play and so he was not able to shine as much as he could have done. We need a more attacking line up and style of play. Last season was full of poor and sometimes boring football. The away win at Leicester was one of the exceptions. Seagulls via LCFC
  • Score: 3

10:23am Sat 19 Jul 14

tug509 says...

CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .
CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year . tug509
  • Score: 8

10:26am Sat 19 Jul 14

brighton bluenose says...

klemaniac wrote:
Why do a lot of posters want a " BIG NAME ". If I remember rightly we got a striker from the then non-league team Burton Albion and he didn't turn out too bad and another from lowly Bristol Rovers and he wasn't bad either. For the uninitiated do the names Ward and Zamora ring a bell
........and Ulloa would of course fall into the 'not a big name' category too!!
[quote][p][bold]klemaniac[/bold] wrote: Why do a lot of posters want a " BIG NAME ". If I remember rightly we got a striker from the then non-league team Burton Albion and he didn't turn out too bad and another from lowly Bristol Rovers and he wasn't bad either. For the uninitiated do the names Ward and Zamora ring a bell[/p][/quote]........and Ulloa would of course fall into the 'not a big name' category too!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 5

10:28am Sat 19 Jul 14

Clean Sheet says...

Leo is going because his agent sniffed out a decent % from a sale. Agents are the parasites in football, looking after themselves first and foremost, then their players. The agent will have been sniping in his ear that he is better than BHA etc etc. Anyway, Leo is going, and has left a great legacy, his goals and £8 million. Thank you for this Leo, and good luck at the Foxes. Well done BHA Thor getting an incredible price. Now we can invest some of this in the team and look forward to another good season. CMS looks hungry, and let's get the ball to him in the right area.
Leo is going because his agent sniffed out a decent % from a sale. Agents are the parasites in football, looking after themselves first and foremost, then their players. The agent will have been sniping in his ear that he is better than BHA etc etc. Anyway, Leo is going, and has left a great legacy, his goals and £8 million. Thank you for this Leo, and good luck at the Foxes. Well done BHA Thor getting an incredible price. Now we can invest some of this in the team and look forward to another good season. CMS looks hungry, and let's get the ball to him in the right area. Clean Sheet
  • Score: 5

10:31am Sat 19 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

tug509 wrote:
CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .
Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival,
Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season?
Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months!
Not a easy answer to that .
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .[/p][/quote]Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival, Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season? Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months! Not a easy answer to that . mark by the sea
  • Score: 4

10:33am Sat 19 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

mikeygit wrote:
Agree good bit of business. I guess some will be put in the kitty for replacement players and the rest to reduce our debt??
There are no debts that require repaying or that have any real world effect on the club - just an interest free long term loan from TB.

If they can find the players, much of the £11.4m raised on the sales of Ulloa, Barnes and Bridcutt should go towards acquisitions and assist with player wages.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Agree good bit of business. I guess some will be put in the kitty for replacement players and the rest to reduce our debt??[/p][/quote]There are no debts that require repaying or that have any real world effect on the club - just an interest free long term loan from TB. If they can find the players, much of the £11.4m raised on the sales of Ulloa, Barnes and Bridcutt should go towards acquisitions and assist with player wages. Withdean-er
  • Score: 7

10:36am Sat 19 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .
Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival,
Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season?
Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months!
Not a easy answer to that .
CMS is not on that figure which is the best part of a £1m a year, or anywhere near that.

The highest paid players such as Bridge (our share), Vicente, Upson, Kuszchak, Orlandi, who maxed at no more than £15k per week have all gone.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .[/p][/quote]Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival, Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season? Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months! Not a easy answer to that .[/p][/quote]CMS is not on that figure which is the best part of a £1m a year, or anywhere near that. The highest paid players such as Bridge (our share), Vicente, Upson, Kuszchak, Orlandi, who maxed at no more than £15k per week have all gone. Withdean-er
  • Score: 2

10:45am Sat 19 Jul 14

tug509 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .
Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival,
Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season?
Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months!
Not a easy answer to that .
Definitely a tough one ,but wouldn`t it just be our luck ,that after so long out injured for us ,he has a blinding season and walks for free at the end of it ,and knowing our luck to someone like Croydon !.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .[/p][/quote]Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival, Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season? Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months! Not a easy answer to that .[/p][/quote]Definitely a tough one ,but wouldn`t it just be our luck ,that after so long out injured for us ,he has a blinding season and walks for free at the end of it ,and knowing our luck to someone like Croydon !. tug509
  • Score: 4

10:50am Sat 19 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

Withdean-er wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .
Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival,
Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season?
Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months!
Not a easy answer to that .
CMS is not on that figure which is the best part of a £1m a year, or anywhere near that.

The highest paid players such as Bridge (our share), Vicente, Upson, Kuszchak, Orlandi, who maxed at no more than £15k per week have all gone.
What you think then? Lol he joined us and turned Leicester down for 25k a week !
Reason he is still here is same as ward is still at wolves ! He is on big bucks!
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .[/p][/quote]Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival, Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season? Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months! Not a easy answer to that .[/p][/quote]CMS is not on that figure which is the best part of a £1m a year, or anywhere near that. The highest paid players such as Bridge (our share), Vicente, Upson, Kuszchak, Orlandi, who maxed at no more than £15k per week have all gone.[/p][/quote]What you think then? Lol he joined us and turned Leicester down for 25k a week ! Reason he is still here is same as ward is still at wolves ! He is on big bucks! mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

10:58am Sat 19 Jul 14

SMF20 says...

tug509 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .
Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival,
Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season?
Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months!
Not a easy answer to that .
Definitely a tough one ,but wouldn`t it just be our luck ,that after so long out injured for us ,he has a blinding season and walks for free at the end of it ,and knowing our luck to someone like Croydon !.
I'm in the offer him an extension now camp.

I've heard similar weekly wage mentioned as mark has and although going forward this will not be matched, I think the offer of an extended 2 years with the club with a reduced rate would seal the deal.
I think that Craig feels he owes us a little something and I believe that as long as we didn't insult him with our new offer, he would accept it.

I like the both of you would hate for him to walk for free at the end of the 2014/15 season.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .[/p][/quote]Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival, Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season? Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months! Not a easy answer to that .[/p][/quote]Definitely a tough one ,but wouldn`t it just be our luck ,that after so long out injured for us ,he has a blinding season and walks for free at the end of it ,and knowing our luck to someone like Croydon !.[/p][/quote]I'm in the offer him an extension now camp. I've heard similar weekly wage mentioned as mark has and although going forward this will not be matched, I think the offer of an extended 2 years with the club with a reduced rate would seal the deal. I think that Craig feels he owes us a little something and I believe that as long as we didn't insult him with our new offer, he would accept it. I like the both of you would hate for him to walk for free at the end of the 2014/15 season. SMF20
  • Score: 6

11:07am Sat 19 Jul 14

tug509 says...

SMF20 wrote:
tug509 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .
Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival,
Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season?
Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months!
Not a easy answer to that .
Definitely a tough one ,but wouldn`t it just be our luck ,that after so long out injured for us ,he has a blinding season and walks for free at the end of it ,and knowing our luck to someone like Croydon !.
I'm in the offer him an extension now camp.

I've heard similar weekly wage mentioned as mark has and although going forward this will not be matched, I think the offer of an extended 2 years with the club with a reduced rate would seal the deal.
I think that Craig feels he owes us a little something and I believe that as long as we didn't insult him with our new offer, he would accept it.

I like the both of you would hate for him to walk for free at the end of the 2014/15 season.
It`s funny ,but I got the same feeling as you ,that Craig feels he owe`s us at least one very good season , we have shown him loyalty ,and he seems genuinely loyal in return ,...cue all the "there`s no such thing in football " pessimists ,I like to think it exists ,rare yes ,but it does exist .
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .[/p][/quote]Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival, Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season? Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months! Not a easy answer to that .[/p][/quote]Definitely a tough one ,but wouldn`t it just be our luck ,that after so long out injured for us ,he has a blinding season and walks for free at the end of it ,and knowing our luck to someone like Croydon !.[/p][/quote]I'm in the offer him an extension now camp. I've heard similar weekly wage mentioned as mark has and although going forward this will not be matched, I think the offer of an extended 2 years with the club with a reduced rate would seal the deal. I think that Craig feels he owes us a little something and I believe that as long as we didn't insult him with our new offer, he would accept it. I like the both of you would hate for him to walk for free at the end of the 2014/15 season.[/p][/quote]It`s funny ,but I got the same feeling as you ,that Craig feels he owe`s us at least one very good season , we have shown him loyalty ,and he seems genuinely loyal in return ,...cue all the "there`s no such thing in football " pessimists ,I like to think it exists ,rare yes ,but it does exist . tug509
  • Score: 8

11:15am Sat 19 Jul 14

StonesBHA says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
OK - we've got the Foxes to pay well over the odds for Ulloa - makes up for us paying well over the odds for CMS. Now we've got to find a prolific goal scorer at championship level. Sorry but a 28 year old journeyman is not the answer.
If this is the level of signings to make the side 'competitive' then I'm sorry but it's not going to work. I feel it's going to be a long, hard season.
Can you EVER find anything positive to say, Is your real name Victor Meldrew?? I'm fed up reading so many negative comments on here, FFS, we've never had it so good in years.
If, as you say, we received well over the odds for Ulloa, I would say that makes CMS really good value for money.
O'Grady is not a replacement for Ulloa, he would have been signed regardless of Ulloa staying or going. I'm sure there will be some other good editions.
PLEASE just show a level of positivity and stop all of this negativity. If you regard yourself a BHA supporter, then SUPPORT!!!!!
UTA
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: OK - we've got the Foxes to pay well over the odds for Ulloa - makes up for us paying well over the odds for CMS. Now we've got to find a prolific goal scorer at championship level. Sorry but a 28 year old journeyman is not the answer. If this is the level of signings to make the side 'competitive' then I'm sorry but it's not going to work. I feel it's going to be a long, hard season.[/p][/quote]Can you EVER find anything positive to say, Is your real name Victor Meldrew?? I'm fed up reading so many negative comments on here, FFS, we've never had it so good in years. If, as you say, we received well over the odds for Ulloa, I would say that makes CMS really good value for money. O'Grady is not a replacement for Ulloa, he would have been signed regardless of Ulloa staying or going. I'm sure there will be some other good editions. PLEASE just show a level of positivity and stop all of this negativity. If you regard yourself a BHA supporter, then SUPPORT!!!!! UTA StonesBHA
  • Score: 10

11:29am Sat 19 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Withdean-er wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .
Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival,
Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season?
Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months!
Not a easy answer to that .
CMS is not on that figure which is the best part of a £1m a year, or anywhere near that.

The highest paid players such as Bridge (our share), Vicente, Upson, Kuszchak, Orlandi, who maxed at no more than £15k per week have all gone.
What you think then? Lol he joined us and turned Leicester down for 25k a week !
Reason he is still here is same as ward is still at wolves ! He is on big bucks!
I know you don't believe it, but not everyone is motivated by money. You only have to look at CMS and talk to him to know he is motivated by enjoying himself and loving life. For you that may be synonymous with money but it isn't for everyone. The difference to ones life going from £12-15k to £25k per week is negligible, and certainly far less than actually being somewhere you're happy.

Serious question: would you rather be richer or happier?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .[/p][/quote]Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival, Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season? Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months! Not a easy answer to that .[/p][/quote]CMS is not on that figure which is the best part of a £1m a year, or anywhere near that. The highest paid players such as Bridge (our share), Vicente, Upson, Kuszchak, Orlandi, who maxed at no more than £15k per week have all gone.[/p][/quote]What you think then? Lol he joined us and turned Leicester down for 25k a week ! Reason he is still here is same as ward is still at wolves ! He is on big bucks![/p][/quote]I know you don't believe it, but not everyone is motivated by money. You only have to look at CMS and talk to him to know he is motivated by enjoying himself and loving life. For you that may be synonymous with money but it isn't for everyone. The difference to ones life going from £12-15k to £25k per week is negligible, and certainly far less than actually being somewhere you're happy. Serious question: would you rather be richer or happier? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 7

11:36am Sat 19 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

SMF20 wrote:
Good luck Leo. A really good player with many useful attributes to his game.... A gent too and someone who will be missed by both the Brighton fans and the players.

£8million though is a very large number and one that imho is just too good to turn down.
I'm really pleased that the Board stood their ground and made Leicester pay what WE wanted. Well done
I wish Leicester luck also.

I sincerely hope thAt a very large chunk of Leo's money will be made available for the signings that Hyypia wants.
He mentions wanting a winger... I wonder if we might approach Blackburn to get Conway back?
As long as Sami is making the final call then I'm hopeful that whoever we sign will be good for us.

Just read the other bread re COG and have to say that it certainly seems that the new guy has the right attitude.

This fee could change our season.

Uta
My thoughts are very similar to your post SMF20 and I would think a number of other regular posters probably share most of them.
I am interested in your mentioning Conway. Mark BTS says, with some justification I feel, that had we played more positively like Leicester did and given Ulloa more support that he (Ulloa) would have scored more goals.
My comment would be that if we had brought Conway back that Ulloa would have benefitted from the excellent quality of Conway's crosses and would have ended up with another hatful of goals.
Conway was very consistent during his time at the Amex and continually improved as he became more integrated into the squad. A great crosser and corner taker his performance in the home game against Leicester particularly impressed me.
Arguably the biggest mistake the Albion made last season was not getting Conway back after his loan period expired.
I trust that the club has learnt from that and use the £8 million proceeds from Ulloa's sale ( plus the £4 million plus from Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd) constructively and intelligently as you (and by implication MBTS) suggest SMF20.
Seeing exactly who Hyypia signs in the next couple of weeks (always assuming he gets the right support from Burke and his team) is going to be interesting and I believe informative.
Finally I noticed in today's Argus that they state that Paul Barber (interestingly not Burke) deals with outgoing transfers. Judging from the recent sales and fees obtained for Bridcutt (£4.5 mill as reported in the Daily Telegraph in May), Barnes (£750,000) and now Ulloa (£8 million) he is doing a great job since we seem to be maximising the return on those players. Whether Burke will be / is being as effective when getting players in will be demonstrated by the next few acquisitions in the coming weeks.
I am looking forward to an exciting and attack orientated season under SH. Onwards and hopefully Upwards.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Good luck Leo. A really good player with many useful attributes to his game.... A gent too and someone who will be missed by both the Brighton fans and the players. £8million though is a very large number and one that imho is just too good to turn down. I'm really pleased that the Board stood their ground and made Leicester pay what WE wanted. Well done I wish Leicester luck also. I sincerely hope thAt a very large chunk of Leo's money will be made available for the signings that Hyypia wants. He mentions wanting a winger... I wonder if we might approach Blackburn to get Conway back? As long as Sami is making the final call then I'm hopeful that whoever we sign will be good for us. Just read the other bread re COG and have to say that it certainly seems that the new guy has the right attitude. This fee could change our season. Uta[/p][/quote]My thoughts are very similar to your post SMF20 and I would think a number of other regular posters probably share most of them. I am interested in your mentioning Conway. Mark BTS says, with some justification I feel, that had we played more positively like Leicester did and given Ulloa more support that he (Ulloa) would have scored more goals. My comment would be that if we had brought Conway back that Ulloa would have benefitted from the excellent quality of Conway's crosses and would have ended up with another hatful of goals. Conway was very consistent during his time at the Amex and continually improved as he became more integrated into the squad. A great crosser and corner taker his performance in the home game against Leicester particularly impressed me. Arguably the biggest mistake the Albion made last season was not getting Conway back after his loan period expired. I trust that the club has learnt from that and use the £8 million proceeds from Ulloa's sale ( plus the £4 million plus from Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd) constructively and intelligently as you (and by implication MBTS) suggest SMF20. Seeing exactly who Hyypia signs in the next couple of weeks (always assuming he gets the right support from Burke and his team) is going to be interesting and I believe informative. Finally I noticed in today's Argus that they state that Paul Barber (interestingly not Burke) deals with outgoing transfers. Judging from the recent sales and fees obtained for Bridcutt (£4.5 mill as reported in the Daily Telegraph in May), Barnes (£750,000) and now Ulloa (£8 million) he is doing a great job since we seem to be maximising the return on those players. Whether Burke will be / is being as effective when getting players in will be demonstrated by the next few acquisitions in the coming weeks. I am looking forward to an exciting and attack orientated season under SH. Onwards and hopefully Upwards. ballantrrae
  • Score: 7

11:37am Sat 19 Jul 14

Justin says...

The Phantom wrote:
Justin wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m.
Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?
Maybe in terms of rough counting Brighton's figure is including the VAT and Leicester's isn't?

Looks a really good price for Ulloa and suspect it has gone up a couple of million because of McCormack going for approx 11M. Ulloa was a top player for us with great strength, good aerial ability (especially in the penalty area) and generally good hold up play. Will potentially benefit from a more direct style of play and a higher tempo. Has some faults as well but think he can be a really solid signing for Leicester, probably getting into double figures and proving a strong and effective team player.
I gave you a thumbs up because you made good points abiut Leo, so forgive me for pointing out there's no VAT on transactions between businesses.
Thanks for the thumbs up......sorry but you are incorrect, there is VAT on supplies between businesses - in this instance the standard rate of VAT would apply.
Assuming both businesses are VAT-registered, which they are, any VAT paid is reclaimable so effectively does not apply.
[quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m. Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?[/p][/quote]Maybe in terms of rough counting Brighton's figure is including the VAT and Leicester's isn't? Looks a really good price for Ulloa and suspect it has gone up a couple of million because of McCormack going for approx 11M. Ulloa was a top player for us with great strength, good aerial ability (especially in the penalty area) and generally good hold up play. Will potentially benefit from a more direct style of play and a higher tempo. Has some faults as well but think he can be a really solid signing for Leicester, probably getting into double figures and proving a strong and effective team player.[/p][/quote]I gave you a thumbs up because you made good points abiut Leo, so forgive me for pointing out there's no VAT on transactions between businesses.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the thumbs up......sorry but you are incorrect, there is VAT on supplies between businesses - in this instance the standard rate of VAT would apply.[/p][/quote]Assuming both businesses are VAT-registered, which they are, any VAT paid is reclaimable so effectively does not apply. Justin
  • Score: 0

11:47am Sat 19 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Withdean-er wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .
Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival,
Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season?
Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months!
Not a easy answer to that .
CMS is not on that figure which is the best part of a £1m a year, or anywhere near that.

The highest paid players such as Bridge (our share), Vicente, Upson, Kuszchak, Orlandi, who maxed at no more than £15k per week have all gone.
What you think then? Lol he joined us and turned Leicester down for 25k a week !
Reason he is still here is same as ward is still at wolves ! He is on big bucks!
I know you don't believe it, but not everyone is motivated by money. You only have to look at CMS and talk to him to know he is motivated by enjoying himself and loving life. For you that may be synonymous with money but it isn't for everyone. The difference to ones life going from £12-15k to £25k per week is negligible, and certainly far less than actually being somewhere you're happy.

Serious question: would you rather be richer or happier?
Ask bridcutt the same question! You said he would stay as money was not important!
As for cms he has one more contract to set himself up for life, I would be charged up to score 10 before Xmas then ask for a new contract,
If he has a terrible season , who would give a monkeys if he was skint in two years time, zero is done to help players who retire early due to injury, but we want players to put happiness first ,
I would imagine cms is a decent guy and will accept to drop his wages for a new contract, ... But will the club wait to see what he does first?
If so cms has every right to ask for more money , or walk end of season.
How is 500k a year negligible? Lol
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .[/p][/quote]Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival, Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season? Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months! Not a easy answer to that .[/p][/quote]CMS is not on that figure which is the best part of a £1m a year, or anywhere near that. The highest paid players such as Bridge (our share), Vicente, Upson, Kuszchak, Orlandi, who maxed at no more than £15k per week have all gone.[/p][/quote]What you think then? Lol he joined us and turned Leicester down for 25k a week ! Reason he is still here is same as ward is still at wolves ! He is on big bucks![/p][/quote]I know you don't believe it, but not everyone is motivated by money. You only have to look at CMS and talk to him to know he is motivated by enjoying himself and loving life. For you that may be synonymous with money but it isn't for everyone. The difference to ones life going from £12-15k to £25k per week is negligible, and certainly far less than actually being somewhere you're happy. Serious question: would you rather be richer or happier?[/p][/quote]Ask bridcutt the same question! You said he would stay as money was not important! As for cms he has one more contract to set himself up for life, I would be charged up to score 10 before Xmas then ask for a new contract, If he has a terrible season , who would give a monkeys if he was skint in two years time, zero is done to help players who retire early due to injury, but we want players to put happiness first , I would imagine cms is a decent guy and will accept to drop his wages for a new contract, ... But will the club wait to see what he does first? If so cms has every right to ask for more money , or walk end of season. How is 500k a year negligible? Lol mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

11:49am Sat 19 Jul 14

The Phantom says...

Justin wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
Justin wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m.
Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?
Maybe in terms of rough counting Brighton's figure is including the VAT and Leicester's isn't?

Looks a really good price for Ulloa and suspect it has gone up a couple of million because of McCormack going for approx 11M. Ulloa was a top player for us with great strength, good aerial ability (especially in the penalty area) and generally good hold up play. Will potentially benefit from a more direct style of play and a higher tempo. Has some faults as well but think he can be a really solid signing for Leicester, probably getting into double figures and proving a strong and effective team player.
I gave you a thumbs up because you made good points abiut Leo, so forgive me for pointing out there's no VAT on transactions between businesses.
Thanks for the thumbs up......sorry but you are incorrect, there is VAT on supplies between businesses - in this instance the standard rate of VAT would apply.
Assuming both businesses are VAT-registered, which they are, any VAT paid is reclaimable so effectively does not apply.
Yes I realise the logistics of it in this instance - however the point I am making is that VAT would be included on the invoice price thus a net sales price of 7 Million would have VAT added on of 1.4 Million thus an overall sales price of 8.4 Million. Whether the purchaser (Leicester) can be claim it back is neither here nor there - it was only used to illustrate why there may be a difference in the figures being quoted by the respective local media
[quote][p][bold]Justin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m. Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?[/p][/quote]Maybe in terms of rough counting Brighton's figure is including the VAT and Leicester's isn't? Looks a really good price for Ulloa and suspect it has gone up a couple of million because of McCormack going for approx 11M. Ulloa was a top player for us with great strength, good aerial ability (especially in the penalty area) and generally good hold up play. Will potentially benefit from a more direct style of play and a higher tempo. Has some faults as well but think he can be a really solid signing for Leicester, probably getting into double figures and proving a strong and effective team player.[/p][/quote]I gave you a thumbs up because you made good points abiut Leo, so forgive me for pointing out there's no VAT on transactions between businesses.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the thumbs up......sorry but you are incorrect, there is VAT on supplies between businesses - in this instance the standard rate of VAT would apply.[/p][/quote]Assuming both businesses are VAT-registered, which they are, any VAT paid is reclaimable so effectively does not apply.[/p][/quote]Yes I realise the logistics of it in this instance - however the point I am making is that VAT would be included on the invoice price thus a net sales price of 7 Million would have VAT added on of 1.4 Million thus an overall sales price of 8.4 Million. Whether the purchaser (Leicester) can be claim it back is neither here nor there - it was only used to illustrate why there may be a difference in the figures being quoted by the respective local media The Phantom
  • Score: 4

12:04pm Sat 19 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

The Phantom wrote:
Justin wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
Justin wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m.
Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?
Maybe in terms of rough counting Brighton's figure is including the VAT and Leicester's isn't?

Looks a really good price for Ulloa and suspect it has gone up a couple of million because of McCormack going for approx 11M. Ulloa was a top player for us with great strength, good aerial ability (especially in the penalty area) and generally good hold up play. Will potentially benefit from a more direct style of play and a higher tempo. Has some faults as well but think he can be a really solid signing for Leicester, probably getting into double figures and proving a strong and effective team player.
I gave you a thumbs up because you made good points abiut Leo, so forgive me for pointing out there's no VAT on transactions between businesses.
Thanks for the thumbs up......sorry but you are incorrect, there is VAT on supplies between businesses - in this instance the standard rate of VAT would apply.
Assuming both businesses are VAT-registered, which they are, any VAT paid is reclaimable so effectively does not apply.
Yes I realise the logistics of it in this instance - however the point I am making is that VAT would be included on the invoice price thus a net sales price of 7 Million would have VAT added on of 1.4 Million thus an overall sales price of 8.4 Million. Whether the purchaser (Leicester) can be claim it back is neither here nor there - it was only used to illustrate why there may be a difference in the figures being quoted by the respective local media
Yes , I wonder about the stadium, was that 100 million or was that including vat ? I am not sure vat is reclaimable on new builds? That may be just for housing or the new houses would be vat chargeable!
Also if you import a player are they vat free? Lol
Perhaps we should hire a mini bus and go to France?
[quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m. Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?[/p][/quote]Maybe in terms of rough counting Brighton's figure is including the VAT and Leicester's isn't? Looks a really good price for Ulloa and suspect it has gone up a couple of million because of McCormack going for approx 11M. Ulloa was a top player for us with great strength, good aerial ability (especially in the penalty area) and generally good hold up play. Will potentially benefit from a more direct style of play and a higher tempo. Has some faults as well but think he can be a really solid signing for Leicester, probably getting into double figures and proving a strong and effective team player.[/p][/quote]I gave you a thumbs up because you made good points abiut Leo, so forgive me for pointing out there's no VAT on transactions between businesses.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the thumbs up......sorry but you are incorrect, there is VAT on supplies between businesses - in this instance the standard rate of VAT would apply.[/p][/quote]Assuming both businesses are VAT-registered, which they are, any VAT paid is reclaimable so effectively does not apply.[/p][/quote]Yes I realise the logistics of it in this instance - however the point I am making is that VAT would be included on the invoice price thus a net sales price of 7 Million would have VAT added on of 1.4 Million thus an overall sales price of 8.4 Million. Whether the purchaser (Leicester) can be claim it back is neither here nor there - it was only used to illustrate why there may be a difference in the figures being quoted by the respective local media[/p][/quote]Yes , I wonder about the stadium, was that 100 million or was that including vat ? I am not sure vat is reclaimable on new builds? That may be just for housing or the new houses would be vat chargeable! Also if you import a player are they vat free? Lol Perhaps we should hire a mini bus and go to France? mark by the sea
  • Score: -1

12:17pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Withdean-er wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .
Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival,
Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season?
Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months!
Not a easy answer to that .
CMS is not on that figure which is the best part of a £1m a year, or anywhere near that.

The highest paid players such as Bridge (our share), Vicente, Upson, Kuszchak, Orlandi, who maxed at no more than £15k per week have all gone.
What you think then? Lol he joined us and turned Leicester down for 25k a week !
Reason he is still here is same as ward is still at wolves ! He is on big bucks!
I know you don't believe it, but not everyone is motivated by money. You only have to look at CMS and talk to him to know he is motivated by enjoying himself and loving life. For you that may be synonymous with money but it isn't for everyone. The difference to ones life going from £12-15k to £25k per week is negligible, and certainly far less than actually being somewhere you're happy.

Serious question: would you rather be richer or happier?
Ask bridcutt the same question! You said he would stay as money was not important!
As for cms he has one more contract to set himself up for life, I would be charged up to score 10 before Xmas then ask for a new contract,
If he has a terrible season , who would give a monkeys if he was skint in two years time, zero is done to help players who retire early due to injury, but we want players to put happiness first ,
I would imagine cms is a decent guy and will accept to drop his wages for a new contract, ... But will the club wait to see what he does first?
If so cms has every right to ask for more money , or walk end of season.
How is 500k a year negligible? Lol
FFS Mark, if you are already a millionaire, which CMS comfortably is, then an extra 500k IS negligible compared to happiness. He is already set for life and will never have to work again even if he retires at the end of his current contract.

You had a go at Vegas yesterday for avoiding questions, so I ask you again, would you rather be richer or happier?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .[/p][/quote]Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival, Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season? Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months! Not a easy answer to that .[/p][/quote]CMS is not on that figure which is the best part of a £1m a year, or anywhere near that. The highest paid players such as Bridge (our share), Vicente, Upson, Kuszchak, Orlandi, who maxed at no more than £15k per week have all gone.[/p][/quote]What you think then? Lol he joined us and turned Leicester down for 25k a week ! Reason he is still here is same as ward is still at wolves ! He is on big bucks![/p][/quote]I know you don't believe it, but not everyone is motivated by money. You only have to look at CMS and talk to him to know he is motivated by enjoying himself and loving life. For you that may be synonymous with money but it isn't for everyone. The difference to ones life going from £12-15k to £25k per week is negligible, and certainly far less than actually being somewhere you're happy. Serious question: would you rather be richer or happier?[/p][/quote]Ask bridcutt the same question! You said he would stay as money was not important! As for cms he has one more contract to set himself up for life, I would be charged up to score 10 before Xmas then ask for a new contract, If he has a terrible season , who would give a monkeys if he was skint in two years time, zero is done to help players who retire early due to injury, but we want players to put happiness first , I would imagine cms is a decent guy and will accept to drop his wages for a new contract, ... But will the club wait to see what he does first? If so cms has every right to ask for more money , or walk end of season. How is 500k a year negligible? Lol[/p][/quote]FFS Mark, if you are already a millionaire, which CMS comfortably is, then an extra 500k IS negligible compared to happiness. He is already set for life and will never have to work again even if he retires at the end of his current contract. You had a go at Vegas yesterday for avoiding questions, so I ask you again, would you rather be richer or happier? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

12:22pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Level4242 says...

Justin wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
Justin wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m.
Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?
Maybe in terms of rough counting Brighton's figure is including the VAT and Leicester's isn't?

Looks a really good price for Ulloa and suspect it has gone up a couple of million because of McCormack going for approx 11M. Ulloa was a top player for us with great strength, good aerial ability (especially in the penalty area) and generally good hold up play. Will potentially benefit from a more direct style of play and a higher tempo. Has some faults as well but think he can be a really solid signing for Leicester, probably getting into double figures and proving a strong and effective team player.
I gave you a thumbs up because you made good points abiut Leo, so forgive me for pointing out there's no VAT on transactions between businesses.
Thanks for the thumbs up......sorry but you are incorrect, there is VAT on supplies between businesses - in this instance the standard rate of VAT would apply.
Assuming both businesses are VAT-registered, which they are, any VAT paid is reclaimable so effectively does not apply.
Of course VAT applies! The fact it is fully deductible makes no difference. If a VAT registered business buys anything that is liable to VAT then the value of the supply includes VAT. The true cost to the purchaser may, to some people, be VAT free (as they can reclaim it) the amount they pay must include VAT.
[quote][p][bold]Justin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m. Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?[/p][/quote]Maybe in terms of rough counting Brighton's figure is including the VAT and Leicester's isn't? Looks a really good price for Ulloa and suspect it has gone up a couple of million because of McCormack going for approx 11M. Ulloa was a top player for us with great strength, good aerial ability (especially in the penalty area) and generally good hold up play. Will potentially benefit from a more direct style of play and a higher tempo. Has some faults as well but think he can be a really solid signing for Leicester, probably getting into double figures and proving a strong and effective team player.[/p][/quote]I gave you a thumbs up because you made good points abiut Leo, so forgive me for pointing out there's no VAT on transactions between businesses.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the thumbs up......sorry but you are incorrect, there is VAT on supplies between businesses - in this instance the standard rate of VAT would apply.[/p][/quote]Assuming both businesses are VAT-registered, which they are, any VAT paid is reclaimable so effectively does not apply.[/p][/quote]Of course VAT applies! The fact it is fully deductible makes no difference. If a VAT registered business buys anything that is liable to VAT then the value of the supply includes VAT. The true cost to the purchaser may, to some people, be VAT free (as they can reclaim it) the amount they pay must include VAT. Level4242
  • Score: 3

12:34pm Sat 19 Jul 14

arc12 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Max Ripple wrote:
Far gull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem.
He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season.
Time will tell!
Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham?
The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players,
I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one.
The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support .
My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ?
Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season!
Oh I hope we're not going to have a run of comments about O'Grady being rubbish....
Now, before you reply and state that you didn't say O'Grady was 'rubbish' read what I said, and you'll see that neither did I regarding Leo. Whether or not he's better than Andy Carroll, or anyone else, is irrelevant, I simply offered an opinion that I don't think he's good enough to be a success in the Prem. My opinion.
Yes, he did do well for us in the Championship, but I stand by my view that we've got the best end of the deal - by far - in my book.
I was not looking for a argument , my point was he has never played in a attack minded side at the Albion , the one night he did he scored 4.
I imagine Grady will get his chance, I don't care who scores , but the football has to improve , last season was the most boring football for years, yes we could have gained promotion, but the excitement of tippy tappy by players not technically good enough to play it shone through.
I hope for 4-4-2 , or 4-3-3 ... But most of all a intent to score goals ..
Leicester ran away with the title playing for goals .
Had Leo played for Leicester last season he would have 30 plus in my opinion, would he now be on his way to a top ten club for 15-20 million?
Good observations. Wish Leo all the best, we are now financial sound for another 12 months. Interestingly Demba Ba sold by Chelsea for 4.5 ish.
This would have been a good bye for us to put bums on seats which right now is and must be a priority we have everything in place except on playing front.
I do wonder if the club being financially sound become an attractive option for an investor along side Tony B. This to me would seem lodgical next step. Tony should not have to totally support the club for ever.
If i had the money i would invest on a buisness front because we look like we are being run on sound financial lines albeit not fantasy football as we fans would dreamily like :-)
We might have been able to buy Demba Ba for £4.5ish but would we have been able to pay his wages? I think not. Probably one reason why Chelsea got shot of him. Some players look cheap at first glance but when it comes down to the nitty gritty of wages that's where we have to keep a slightly tighter hold of the reins. The difference between £8-10k per week and £20-30k is not inconsiderable. Some of those "big name" players have been overpaid for too long and they don't want to come down to our level. Ask yourself why Ward is not here yet? And he's only looking for £3k a week over our odds apparently.

Let's not return to the bad old days.
UTA!
I think ward will return on loan, the guy is costing wolves 13k a week and they want 100k for him! They may take 100k loan fee from us and pay 3k a week , I know that sounds crazy, but his wages will eat that 100k in no time.
I suppose it's then down to Ward to accept 13k a week and first team football rather than train with youth team at wolves!
I think as mentioned earlier Ward will probably return but I think the club have been savvy with this one. Sign him back in May and have to pay possibly £10k a week over the summer (maybe 12 weeks) or take the risk of him going elsewhere and signing him a couple of weeks before the season starts – saving the club maybe £120k in wages. Good business in my eyes.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Superb management by the club for a player I'm not convinced is good enough to make an impression against the best in the Prem. He's certainly been excellent for us, there's no doubt about that and I wish him well, but for me it could prove to be the making of our season. Time will tell![/p][/quote]Really? Is he worse than Carroll of west ham? The guy is what people pay for, goals goals , Michael Owen , fowler , line kier were not great team players, I honestly hope we don't have a run of comments about Leo being rubbish etc, he may have sulked , fallen easy , but his genuine affinity with those who go to games was clear from day one. The point I think many are missing about him is his true potential was never explored, the guy lived on scraps last season, and under Gus had little support . My only other comment is Ashley Barnes , we can't offer a 24 year old a three year deal, but we can offer a journeyman exactly that who is 28 ? Good luck to Leo ... It's time to move on, and get behind the team, I have a feeling it's going to another interesting season![/p][/quote]Oh I hope we're not going to have a run of comments about O'Grady being rubbish.... Now, before you reply and state that you didn't say O'Grady was 'rubbish' read what I said, and you'll see that neither did I regarding Leo. Whether or not he's better than Andy Carroll, or anyone else, is irrelevant, I simply offered an opinion that I don't think he's good enough to be a success in the Prem. My opinion. Yes, he did do well for us in the Championship, but I stand by my view that we've got the best end of the deal - by far - in my book.[/p][/quote]I was not looking for a argument , my point was he has never played in a attack minded side at the Albion , the one night he did he scored 4. I imagine Grady will get his chance, I don't care who scores , but the football has to improve , last season was the most boring football for years, yes we could have gained promotion, but the excitement of tippy tappy by players not technically good enough to play it shone through. I hope for 4-4-2 , or 4-3-3 ... But most of all a intent to score goals .. Leicester ran away with the title playing for goals .[/p][/quote]Had Leo played for Leicester last season he would have 30 plus in my opinion, would he now be on his way to a top ten club for 15-20 million?[/p][/quote]Good observations. Wish Leo all the best, we are now financial sound for another 12 months. Interestingly Demba Ba sold by Chelsea for 4.5 ish. This would have been a good bye for us to put bums on seats which right now is and must be a priority we have everything in place except on playing front. I do wonder if the club being financially sound become an attractive option for an investor along side Tony B. This to me would seem lodgical next step. Tony should not have to totally support the club for ever. If i had the money i would invest on a buisness front because we look like we are being run on sound financial lines albeit not fantasy football as we fans would dreamily like :-)[/p][/quote]We might have been able to buy Demba Ba for £4.5ish but would we have been able to pay his wages? I think not. Probably one reason why Chelsea got shot of him. Some players look cheap at first glance but when it comes down to the nitty gritty of wages that's where we have to keep a slightly tighter hold of the reins. The difference between £8-10k per week and £20-30k is not inconsiderable. Some of those "big name" players have been overpaid for too long and they don't want to come down to our level. Ask yourself why Ward is not here yet? And he's only looking for £3k a week over our odds apparently. Let's not return to the bad old days. UTA![/p][/quote]I think ward will return on loan, the guy is costing wolves 13k a week and they want 100k for him! They may take 100k loan fee from us and pay 3k a week , I know that sounds crazy, but his wages will eat that 100k in no time. I suppose it's then down to Ward to accept 13k a week and first team football rather than train with youth team at wolves![/p][/quote]I think as mentioned earlier Ward will probably return but I think the club have been savvy with this one. Sign him back in May and have to pay possibly £10k a week over the summer (maybe 12 weeks) or take the risk of him going elsewhere and signing him a couple of weeks before the season starts – saving the club maybe £120k in wages. Good business in my eyes. arc12
  • Score: 4

12:56pm Sat 19 Jul 14

tinker111 says...

albionbloke wrote:
Wow......£8m+!! AlthoughI don't like to see him go, I have to admit that's a great bit of business. Credit where its due to TB and PB for negotiating a very sweet deal.
So What pot does money go in ??????????????? I/2 mil so far and lest we forget what happened to fee's for Bridders & Barnsey just a little TAD ON Stevens
[quote][p][bold]albionbloke[/bold] wrote: Wow......£8m+!! AlthoughI don't like to see him go, I have to admit that's a great bit of business. Credit where its due to TB and PB for negotiating a very sweet deal.[/p][/quote]So What pot does money go in ??????????????? I/2 mil so far and lest we forget what happened to fee's for Bridders & Barnsey just a little TAD ON Stevens tinker111
  • Score: 0

1:02pm Sat 19 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Withdean-er wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .
Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival,
Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season?
Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months!
Not a easy answer to that .
CMS is not on that figure which is the best part of a £1m a year, or anywhere near that.

The highest paid players such as Bridge (our share), Vicente, Upson, Kuszchak, Orlandi, who maxed at no more than £15k per week have all gone.
What you think then? Lol he joined us and turned Leicester down for 25k a week !
Reason he is still here is same as ward is still at wolves ! He is on big bucks!
I know you don't believe it, but not everyone is motivated by money. You only have to look at CMS and talk to him to know he is motivated by enjoying himself and loving life. For you that may be synonymous with money but it isn't for everyone. The difference to ones life going from £12-15k to £25k per week is negligible, and certainly far less than actually being somewhere you're happy.

Serious question: would you rather be richer or happier?
Ask bridcutt the same question! You said he would stay as money was not important!
As for cms he has one more contract to set himself up for life, I would be charged up to score 10 before Xmas then ask for a new contract,
If he has a terrible season , who would give a monkeys if he was skint in two years time, zero is done to help players who retire early due to injury, but we want players to put happiness first ,
I would imagine cms is a decent guy and will accept to drop his wages for a new contract, ... But will the club wait to see what he does first?
If so cms has every right to ask for more money , or walk end of season.
How is 500k a year negligible? Lol
FFS Mark, if you are already a millionaire, which CMS comfortably is, then an extra 500k IS negligible compared to happiness. He is already set for life and will never have to work again even if he retires at the end of his current contract.

You had a go at Vegas yesterday for avoiding questions, so I ask you again, would you rather be richer or happier?
Yes Rooney , van Persie are both ten times richer than cms , but it's money money money.
As for money over happiness , that depends on who you ask, if you ask most men under 30 they will say cash , ask men like me over 50 and it's happiness and health.. Money you can get with ease if your prepared to work for it.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .[/p][/quote]Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival, Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season? Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months! Not a easy answer to that .[/p][/quote]CMS is not on that figure which is the best part of a £1m a year, or anywhere near that. The highest paid players such as Bridge (our share), Vicente, Upson, Kuszchak, Orlandi, who maxed at no more than £15k per week have all gone.[/p][/quote]What you think then? Lol he joined us and turned Leicester down for 25k a week ! Reason he is still here is same as ward is still at wolves ! He is on big bucks![/p][/quote]I know you don't believe it, but not everyone is motivated by money. You only have to look at CMS and talk to him to know he is motivated by enjoying himself and loving life. For you that may be synonymous with money but it isn't for everyone. The difference to ones life going from £12-15k to £25k per week is negligible, and certainly far less than actually being somewhere you're happy. Serious question: would you rather be richer or happier?[/p][/quote]Ask bridcutt the same question! You said he would stay as money was not important! As for cms he has one more contract to set himself up for life, I would be charged up to score 10 before Xmas then ask for a new contract, If he has a terrible season , who would give a monkeys if he was skint in two years time, zero is done to help players who retire early due to injury, but we want players to put happiness first , I would imagine cms is a decent guy and will accept to drop his wages for a new contract, ... But will the club wait to see what he does first? If so cms has every right to ask for more money , or walk end of season. How is 500k a year negligible? Lol[/p][/quote]FFS Mark, if you are already a millionaire, which CMS comfortably is, then an extra 500k IS negligible compared to happiness. He is already set for life and will never have to work again even if he retires at the end of his current contract. You had a go at Vegas yesterday for avoiding questions, so I ask you again, would you rather be richer or happier?[/p][/quote]Yes Rooney , van Persie are both ten times richer than cms , but it's money money money. As for money over happiness , that depends on who you ask, if you ask most men under 30 they will say cash , ask men like me over 50 and it's happiness and health.. Money you can get with ease if your prepared to work for it. mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

1:08pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Conelli98 says...

8m??? Well that's a fine piece of business...IF TRUE!
Has the Game gone mad, McCormack not worth 11 as is Ulloa not worth 8! Unfortunately because the Prem is awash with Money, clubs pay the price for either trying to get there or for once being there! Neither Leeds or Brighton will use majority of money in reinvestment of players. It will be to pay off debts and nothing more.
Come Aug 9th we will have a weaker squad than last year!
No matter what Div we play in though, through thick and thin I will support The Albion but it will be a very long time before we ever grace the top flight again.
8m??? Well that's a fine piece of business...IF TRUE! Has the Game gone mad, McCormack not worth 11 as is Ulloa not worth 8! Unfortunately because the Prem is awash with Money, clubs pay the price for either trying to get there or for once being there! Neither Leeds or Brighton will use majority of money in reinvestment of players. It will be to pay off debts and nothing more. Come Aug 9th we will have a weaker squad than last year! No matter what Div we play in though, through thick and thin I will support The Albion but it will be a very long time before we ever grace the top flight again. Conelli98
  • Score: -3

1:40pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Withdean-er wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .
Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival,
Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season?
Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months!
Not a easy answer to that .
CMS is not on that figure which is the best part of a £1m a year, or anywhere near that.

The highest paid players such as Bridge (our share), Vicente, Upson, Kuszchak, Orlandi, who maxed at no more than £15k per week have all gone.
What you think then? Lol he joined us and turned Leicester down for 25k a week !
Reason he is still here is same as ward is still at wolves ! He is on big bucks!
I know you don't believe it, but not everyone is motivated by money. You only have to look at CMS and talk to him to know he is motivated by enjoying himself and loving life. For you that may be synonymous with money but it isn't for everyone. The difference to ones life going from £12-15k to £25k per week is negligible, and certainly far less than actually being somewhere you're happy.

Serious question: would you rather be richer or happier?
Ask bridcutt the same question! You said he would stay as money was not important!
As for cms he has one more contract to set himself up for life, I would be charged up to score 10 before Xmas then ask for a new contract,
If he has a terrible season , who would give a monkeys if he was skint in two years time, zero is done to help players who retire early due to injury, but we want players to put happiness first ,
I would imagine cms is a decent guy and will accept to drop his wages for a new contract, ... But will the club wait to see what he does first?
If so cms has every right to ask for more money , or walk end of season.
How is 500k a year negligible? Lol
FFS Mark, if you are already a millionaire, which CMS comfortably is, then an extra 500k IS negligible compared to happiness. He is already set for life and will never have to work again even if he retires at the end of his current contract.

You had a go at Vegas yesterday for avoiding questions, so I ask you again, would you rather be richer or happier?
Yes Rooney , van Persie are both ten times richer than cms , but it's money money money.
As for money over happiness , that depends on who you ask, if you ask most men under 30 they will say cash , ask men like me over 50 and it's happiness and health.. Money you can get with ease if your prepared to work for it.
Yes, RVP and Rooney may be richer, but has the extra money made them happier? Can they retire any sooner without money worried? No.

Anyone who wants cash over happiness... why? In the hope it will make you happy? Or is it just for bragging-rights? So long as you are not in poverty, then if money is more important to you than happiness then you really need to take a look at your priorities. As CMS reportedly chose us instead of more money then it would seem he at least has knows what is important.

The wealthiest person I know is also the most miserable. Why? Because he spent so much time earning money and chasing bigger contracts that he hasn't had a family. Only now it's too late has it finally dawned on him that he got things @rse-about-face.

In short, if CMS is happy here, why risk it for an extra few quid that will make no actually difference to his life, only his monthly bank statement. You can't spend it all and you can't take it with you.

Sermon over.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .[/p][/quote]Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival, Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season? Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months! Not a easy answer to that .[/p][/quote]CMS is not on that figure which is the best part of a £1m a year, or anywhere near that. The highest paid players such as Bridge (our share), Vicente, Upson, Kuszchak, Orlandi, who maxed at no more than £15k per week have all gone.[/p][/quote]What you think then? Lol he joined us and turned Leicester down for 25k a week ! Reason he is still here is same as ward is still at wolves ! He is on big bucks![/p][/quote]I know you don't believe it, but not everyone is motivated by money. You only have to look at CMS and talk to him to know he is motivated by enjoying himself and loving life. For you that may be synonymous with money but it isn't for everyone. The difference to ones life going from £12-15k to £25k per week is negligible, and certainly far less than actually being somewhere you're happy. Serious question: would you rather be richer or happier?[/p][/quote]Ask bridcutt the same question! You said he would stay as money was not important! As for cms he has one more contract to set himself up for life, I would be charged up to score 10 before Xmas then ask for a new contract, If he has a terrible season , who would give a monkeys if he was skint in two years time, zero is done to help players who retire early due to injury, but we want players to put happiness first , I would imagine cms is a decent guy and will accept to drop his wages for a new contract, ... But will the club wait to see what he does first? If so cms has every right to ask for more money , or walk end of season. How is 500k a year negligible? Lol[/p][/quote]FFS Mark, if you are already a millionaire, which CMS comfortably is, then an extra 500k IS negligible compared to happiness. He is already set for life and will never have to work again even if he retires at the end of his current contract. You had a go at Vegas yesterday for avoiding questions, so I ask you again, would you rather be richer or happier?[/p][/quote]Yes Rooney , van Persie are both ten times richer than cms , but it's money money money. As for money over happiness , that depends on who you ask, if you ask most men under 30 they will say cash , ask men like me over 50 and it's happiness and health.. Money you can get with ease if your prepared to work for it.[/p][/quote]Yes, RVP and Rooney may be richer, but has the extra money made them happier? Can they retire any sooner without money worried? No. Anyone who wants cash over happiness... why? In the hope it will make you happy? Or is it just for bragging-rights? So long as you are not in poverty, then if money is more important to you than happiness then you really need to take a look at your priorities. As CMS reportedly chose us instead of more money then it would seem he at least has knows what is important. The wealthiest person I know is also the most miserable. Why? Because he spent so much time earning money and chasing bigger contracts that he hasn't had a family. Only now it's too late has it finally dawned on him that he got things @rse-about-face. In short, if CMS is happy here, why risk it for an extra few quid that will make no actually difference to his life, only his monthly bank statement. You can't spend it all and you can't take it with you. Sermon over. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

1:50pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Claude Back says...

Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
OK - we've got the Foxes to pay well over the odds for Ulloa - makes up for us paying well over the odds for CMS. Now we've got to find a prolific goal scorer at championship level. Sorry but a 28 year old journeyman is not the answer.
If this is the level of signings to make the side 'competitive' then I'm sorry but it's not going to work. I feel it's going to be a long, hard season.
Yet another 'journeyman' comment about a player that I'd wager you know the square root of eff all about. Go on NSC to see a video posted by a Barnsley supporter you might change your opinion. Thinking about it, you probably won't because you are a serial moaner on here.

Why don't you wait until you've seen him play a few times before writing him off? That's a novel idea don't you think?

As for your 'journeyman' dig, a certain Glen Murray could be described as a 'journeyman'. Not done bad for himself has he?
Well said, Cap'n.
Of course B rian seems to have missed the point that O'Grady is not a replacement for Leo but was coming anyway. Leo's replacement is still to be obtained.
[quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: OK - we've got the Foxes to pay well over the odds for Ulloa - makes up for us paying well over the odds for CMS. Now we've got to find a prolific goal scorer at championship level. Sorry but a 28 year old journeyman is not the answer. If this is the level of signings to make the side 'competitive' then I'm sorry but it's not going to work. I feel it's going to be a long, hard season.[/p][/quote]Yet another 'journeyman' comment about a player that I'd wager you know the square root of eff all about. Go on NSC to see a video posted by a Barnsley supporter you might change your opinion. Thinking about it, you probably won't because you are a serial moaner on here. Why don't you wait until you've seen him play a few times before writing him off? That's a novel idea don't you think? As for your 'journeyman' dig, a certain Glen Murray could be described as a 'journeyman'. Not done bad for himself has he?[/p][/quote]Well said, Cap'n. Of course B rian seems to have missed the point that O'Grady is not a replacement for Leo but was coming anyway. Leo's replacement is still to be obtained. Claude Back
  • Score: 7

2:09pm Sat 19 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

When we sold Bridcutt I posted a comment saying that the club might do well to tell the fans the fee we received. My thinking being that we had lost a gem, the fans didn't want that to happen, but once the fans knew that we got, by a long way, a record fee they would not feel so let down by the club. Well that didn't happen, we were just told that the fee was a record for the club.
The departure of Ulloa is slightly different, selling a goal scorer is always harder to justify, so maybe this time the club have done what I thought they ought to do with the Bridders sale, the figure is 8M plus add-ons. I don't buy into the thinking that this figure is being inflated by the club by including VAT, why would the club do that? There are so many calls to reinvest the money on new players already, adding 1.4M to the sum will only result in more demands for the club to spend.

If, as some are, we deleve into the world of speculation regarding how many goals Leo might have got with better service, or by playing a more attacking style, then isn't it fair to say that O'Grady showed his abilities by knocking in 15 goals whilst playing with a squad that got relegated? Leo at least had, 'some,' quality players around him, who did O'Grady have?

Good luck to Leo, I hope he does well and helps us get an extra couple of million, and well done to Barber, it seems to me that we got the best deal we were ever going to get.
When we sold Bridcutt I posted a comment saying that the club might do well to tell the fans the fee we received. My thinking being that we had lost a gem, the fans didn't want that to happen, but once the fans knew that we got, by a long way, a record fee they would not feel so let down by the club. Well that didn't happen, we were just told that the fee was a record for the club. The departure of Ulloa is slightly different, selling a goal scorer is always harder to justify, so maybe this time the club have done what I thought they ought to do with the Bridders sale, the figure is 8M plus add-ons. I don't buy into the thinking that this figure is being inflated by the club by including VAT, why would the club do that? There are so many calls to reinvest the money on new players already, adding 1.4M to the sum will only result in more demands for the club to spend. If, as some are, we deleve into the world of speculation regarding how many goals Leo might have got with better service, or by playing a more attacking style, then isn't it fair to say that O'Grady showed his abilities by knocking in 15 goals whilst playing with a squad that got relegated? Leo at least had, 'some,' quality players around him, who did O'Grady have? Good luck to Leo, I hope he does well and helps us get an extra couple of million, and well done to Barber, it seems to me that we got the best deal we were ever going to get. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 6

2:45pm Sat 19 Jul 14

tez1959 says...

glad hes going the lump of lard lazy player bit like berbatov but fatter cant see him getting past baines and jagielka when they play there 1st game at home to everton well done to get rid of him mr bloom good on ya now lets get someone with a bit of pride for the club who wants to run around and chase for the ball not waiting for the ball to come to him yes you ulloa you mug.oh and this is for all you supporters who thought he was good dont know what games you lot were watching ha ha ha haha ha ha
glad hes going the lump of lard lazy player bit like berbatov but fatter cant see him getting past baines and jagielka when they play there 1st game at home to everton well done to get rid of him mr bloom good on ya now lets get someone with a bit of pride for the club who wants to run around and chase for the ball not waiting for the ball to come to him yes you ulloa you mug.oh and this is for all you supporters who thought he was good dont know what games you lot were watching ha ha ha haha ha ha tez1959
  • Score: -9

3:41pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

tez1959 wrote:
glad hes going the lump of lard lazy player bit like berbatov but fatter cant see him getting past baines and jagielka when they play there 1st game at home to everton well done to get rid of him mr bloom good on ya now lets get someone with a bit of pride for the club who wants to run around and chase for the ball not waiting for the ball to come to him yes you ulloa you mug.oh and this is for all you supporters who thought he was good dont know what games you lot were watching ha ha ha haha ha ha
Tez1959. I don' know if you really were at Albion games, but your assessment is spot on. Ulloa was slow, looked overweight, immobile, slowed up play and was a big child as central defenders legally bossed him. Leicester have been mugged, well done TB, on a day when Loic Remy a great striker several levels above Ulloa, is moving to either Arsenal or Liverpool for £8.5m. Hats off to TB.
[quote][p][bold]tez1959[/bold] wrote: glad hes going the lump of lard lazy player bit like berbatov but fatter cant see him getting past baines and jagielka when they play there 1st game at home to everton well done to get rid of him mr bloom good on ya now lets get someone with a bit of pride for the club who wants to run around and chase for the ball not waiting for the ball to come to him yes you ulloa you mug.oh and this is for all you supporters who thought he was good dont know what games you lot were watching ha ha ha haha ha ha[/p][/quote]Tez1959. I don' know if you really were at Albion games, but your assessment is spot on. Ulloa was slow, looked overweight, immobile, slowed up play and was a big child as central defenders legally bossed him. Leicester have been mugged, well done TB, on a day when Loic Remy a great striker several levels above Ulloa, is moving to either Arsenal or Liverpool for £8.5m. Hats off to TB. Withdean-er
  • Score: 0

4:32pm Sat 19 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

klemaniac wrote:
Why do a lot of posters want a " BIG NAME ". If I remember rightly we got a striker from the then non-league team Burton Albion and he didn't turn out too bad and another from lowly Bristol Rovers and he wasn't bad either. For the uninitiated do the names Ward and Zamora ring a bell
Good point, who had heard of Ulloa before we signed him.
It is the quality and ability of the player that counts not his reputation.
Let's see how any new signings SH brings in perform before starting to pass judgement. UTA.
[quote][p][bold]klemaniac[/bold] wrote: Why do a lot of posters want a " BIG NAME ". If I remember rightly we got a striker from the then non-league team Burton Albion and he didn't turn out too bad and another from lowly Bristol Rovers and he wasn't bad either. For the uninitiated do the names Ward and Zamora ring a bell[/p][/quote]Good point, who had heard of Ulloa before we signed him. It is the quality and ability of the player that counts not his reputation. Let's see how any new signings SH brings in perform before starting to pass judgement. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 5

9:27pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Justin says...

Level4242 wrote:
Justin wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
Justin wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m.
Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?
Maybe in terms of rough counting Brighton's figure is including the VAT and Leicester's isn't?

Looks a really good price for Ulloa and suspect it has gone up a couple of million because of McCormack going for approx 11M. Ulloa was a top player for us with great strength, good aerial ability (especially in the penalty area) and generally good hold up play. Will potentially benefit from a more direct style of play and a higher tempo. Has some faults as well but think he can be a really solid signing for Leicester, probably getting into double figures and proving a strong and effective team player.
I gave you a thumbs up because you made good points abiut Leo, so forgive me for pointing out there's no VAT on transactions between businesses.
Thanks for the thumbs up......sorry but you are incorrect, there is VAT on supplies between businesses - in this instance the standard rate of VAT would apply.
Assuming both businesses are VAT-registered, which they are, any VAT paid is reclaimable so effectively does not apply.
Of course VAT applies! The fact it is fully deductible makes no difference. If a VAT registered business buys anything that is liable to VAT then the value of the supply includes VAT. The true cost to the purchaser may, to some people, be VAT free (as they can reclaim it) the amount they pay must include VAT.
OK, fair enough, but it would be unusual to include the VAT in discussion of price for any b2b transaction because it will be reclaimed, so I doubt very much that VAT is the reason for any difference in quoted prices - that's all I was trying to say albeit imperfectly.
[quote][p][bold]Level4242[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m. Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?[/p][/quote]Maybe in terms of rough counting Brighton's figure is including the VAT and Leicester's isn't? Looks a really good price for Ulloa and suspect it has gone up a couple of million because of McCormack going for approx 11M. Ulloa was a top player for us with great strength, good aerial ability (especially in the penalty area) and generally good hold up play. Will potentially benefit from a more direct style of play and a higher tempo. Has some faults as well but think he can be a really solid signing for Leicester, probably getting into double figures and proving a strong and effective team player.[/p][/quote]I gave you a thumbs up because you made good points abiut Leo, so forgive me for pointing out there's no VAT on transactions between businesses.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the thumbs up......sorry but you are incorrect, there is VAT on supplies between businesses - in this instance the standard rate of VAT would apply.[/p][/quote]Assuming both businesses are VAT-registered, which they are, any VAT paid is reclaimable so effectively does not apply.[/p][/quote]Of course VAT applies! The fact it is fully deductible makes no difference. If a VAT registered business buys anything that is liable to VAT then the value of the supply includes VAT. The true cost to the purchaser may, to some people, be VAT free (as they can reclaim it) the amount they pay must include VAT.[/p][/quote]OK, fair enough, but it would be unusual to include the VAT in discussion of price for any b2b transaction because it will be reclaimed, so I doubt very much that VAT is the reason for any difference in quoted prices - that's all I was trying to say albeit imperfectly. Justin
  • Score: -1

9:41pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Mancgulled says...

Don't care what his detractors say because they were more than likely all useless at kicking a ball around themselves - Leo was class and I really hope he does so well at Leicester - all the very best! You have to say Paul Barber - if that fee is his work - well its remarkable! and now Becchio, Wardy and George Thorne are pipe dreams no longer ----- or some players that Sami thinks are of a similar calibre that are flying low under the radar and excelling somewhere ---
gutted but in this division £8m+ meets the description of a "war chest" -- lets hope there are some shrewd choices to be made and not by Burke!
Don't care what his detractors say because they were more than likely all useless at kicking a ball around themselves - Leo was class and I really hope he does so well at Leicester - all the very best! You have to say Paul Barber - if that fee is his work - well its remarkable! and now Becchio, Wardy and George Thorne are pipe dreams no longer ----- or some players that Sami thinks are of a similar calibre that are flying low under the radar and excelling somewhere --- gutted but in this division £8m+ meets the description of a "war chest" -- lets hope there are some shrewd choices to be made and not by Burke! Mancgulled
  • Score: 6

10:17pm Sat 19 Jul 14

CanadianSeagull says...

On one hand perhaps it is shrewd piece of business, but.....when you take into account his link up play, his ability to read the game and see the field of play (Goals against Arsenal, and Forest)...and fill the stands you have to think again.
This is a closer call than we might think.
I think even at the price, + Add ons I think he's worth more to is than he is somewhere else, specially considering how difficult he is to replace with the season starting in a week or two, selling him this late on shoots us and SH in the foot.
If we do get to prem in a year or so were looking at 10-15 million for a guy of his calibre and guess what he'll be with Leicester.
On one hand perhaps it is shrewd piece of business, but.....when you take into account his link up play, his ability to read the game and see the field of play (Goals against Arsenal, and Forest)...and fill the stands you have to think again. This is a closer call than we might think. I think even at the price, + Add ons I think he's worth more to is than he is somewhere else, specially considering how difficult he is to replace with the season starting in a week or two, selling him this late on shoots us and SH in the foot. If we do get to prem in a year or so were looking at 10-15 million for a guy of his calibre and guess what he'll be with Leicester. CanadianSeagull
  • Score: 2

10:22pm Sat 19 Jul 14

pte says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Withdean-er wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .
Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival,
Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season?
Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months!
Not a easy answer to that .
CMS is not on that figure which is the best part of a £1m a year, or anywhere near that.

The highest paid players such as Bridge (our share), Vicente, Upson, Kuszchak, Orlandi, who maxed at no more than £15k per week have all gone.
What you think then? Lol he joined us and turned Leicester down for 25k a week !
Reason he is still here is same as ward is still at wolves ! He is on big bucks!
I know you don't believe it, but not everyone is motivated by money. You only have to look at CMS and talk to him to know he is motivated by enjoying himself and loving life. For you that may be synonymous with money but it isn't for everyone. The difference to ones life going from £12-15k to £25k per week is negligible, and certainly far less than actually being somewhere you're happy.

Serious question: would you rather be richer or happier?
Ask bridcutt the same question! You said he would stay as money was not important!
As for cms he has one more contract to set himself up for life, I would be charged up to score 10 before Xmas then ask for a new contract,
If he has a terrible season , who would give a monkeys if he was skint in two years time, zero is done to help players who retire early due to injury, but we want players to put happiness first ,
I would imagine cms is a decent guy and will accept to drop his wages for a new contract, ... But will the club wait to see what he does first?
If so cms has every right to ask for more money , or walk end of season.
How is 500k a year negligible? Lol
FFS Mark, if you are already a millionaire, which CMS comfortably is, then an extra 500k IS negligible compared to happiness. He is already set for life and will never have to work again even if he retires at the end of his current contract.

You had a go at Vegas yesterday for avoiding questions, so I ask you again, would you rather be richer or happier?
Yes Rooney , van Persie are both ten times richer than cms , but it's money money money.
As for money over happiness , that depends on who you ask, if you ask most men under 30 they will say cash , ask men like me over 50 and it's happiness and health.. Money you can get with ease if your prepared to work for it.
Yes, RVP and Rooney may be richer, but has the extra money made them happier? Can they retire any sooner without money worried? No.

Anyone who wants cash over happiness... why? In the hope it will make you happy? Or is it just for bragging-rights? So long as you are not in poverty, then if money is more important to you than happiness then you really need to take a look at your priorities. As CMS reportedly chose us instead of more money then it would seem he at least has knows what is important.

The wealthiest person I know is also the most miserable. Why? Because he spent so much time earning money and chasing bigger contracts that he hasn't had a family. Only now it's too late has it finally dawned on him that he got things @rse-about-face.

In short, if CMS is happy here, why risk it for an extra few quid that will make no actually difference to his life, only his monthly bank statement. You can't spend it all and you can't take it with you.

Sermon over.
A lot of what you say is true that money doesn't bring happiness and Mark doesn't entirely disagree with that either.

In most people's eyes CMS is a wealthy young man but if you ask CMS he would probably not feel wealthy even with a couple of million in the bank because once a footballer retires they have few other skills to earn a living and a couple of million will soon get spent.

Even if CMS is on 17k pw at least 10k of that will go to the agent and the tax man. So CMS might only save 5k per week or 1m over a 4 year contract.

Why do you think he would be less happy at another club being paid more money? If you're the type of person that gets on with people you'll make friends at any club you go to and the fans will worship the ground you walk on. You'll also have more money and the pleasant thought that your new club values you more highly in financial terms than your old club

Do you think Murray is now less happy at CP than he was at Brighton who wouldn't pay his market value but were prepared to go overboard for CMS?

As Mark points out a football club is a business and not a social club. You can see by the stance the club takes over Ward's wages that it's business, business, business and nothing else

Therefore, If CMS a Scottish international doesn't want 25-30k pw he'd have to be a prize charlie
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: CMS has only got 1 year left on his contract ,I hope and want to believe that Sami will play to his strength with our set up this season , and who knows ,he may well get his 20 goal season ,so should we not be protecting that possibility and secure a longer contract for him ,or we could lose him as a free agent this time next year .[/p][/quote]Tricky one, he is I believe our highest paid player, 17k a week has been a figure touted since his arrival, Do we give him another 18 months on 10k a week, he signs and does not produce this season? Or we wait till Xmas , in the next 4-5 months he could net 10 goals and the scavengers will know his contract has 5 months left! Cms then wants 15k a week to extend 18 months! Not a easy answer to that .[/p][/quote]CMS is not on that figure which is the best part of a £1m a year, or anywhere near that. The highest paid players such as Bridge (our share), Vicente, Upson, Kuszchak, Orlandi, who maxed at no more than £15k per week have all gone.[/p][/quote]What you think then? Lol he joined us and turned Leicester down for 25k a week ! Reason he is still here is same as ward is still at wolves ! He is on big bucks![/p][/quote]I know you don't believe it, but not everyone is motivated by money. You only have to look at CMS and talk to him to know he is motivated by enjoying himself and loving life. For you that may be synonymous with money but it isn't for everyone. The difference to ones life going from £12-15k to £25k per week is negligible, and certainly far less than actually being somewhere you're happy. Serious question: would you rather be richer or happier?[/p][/quote]Ask bridcutt the same question! You said he would stay as money was not important! As for cms he has one more contract to set himself up for life, I would be charged up to score 10 before Xmas then ask for a new contract, If he has a terrible season , who would give a monkeys if he was skint in two years time, zero is done to help players who retire early due to injury, but we want players to put happiness first , I would imagine cms is a decent guy and will accept to drop his wages for a new contract, ... But will the club wait to see what he does first? If so cms has every right to ask for more money , or walk end of season. How is 500k a year negligible? Lol[/p][/quote]FFS Mark, if you are already a millionaire, which CMS comfortably is, then an extra 500k IS negligible compared to happiness. He is already set for life and will never have to work again even if he retires at the end of his current contract. You had a go at Vegas yesterday for avoiding questions, so I ask you again, would you rather be richer or happier?[/p][/quote]Yes Rooney , van Persie are both ten times richer than cms , but it's money money money. As for money over happiness , that depends on who you ask, if you ask most men under 30 they will say cash , ask men like me over 50 and it's happiness and health.. Money you can get with ease if your prepared to work for it.[/p][/quote]Yes, RVP and Rooney may be richer, but has the extra money made them happier? Can they retire any sooner without money worried? No. Anyone who wants cash over happiness... why? In the hope it will make you happy? Or is it just for bragging-rights? So long as you are not in poverty, then if money is more important to you than happiness then you really need to take a look at your priorities. As CMS reportedly chose us instead of more money then it would seem he at least has knows what is important. The wealthiest person I know is also the most miserable. Why? Because he spent so much time earning money and chasing bigger contracts that he hasn't had a family. Only now it's too late has it finally dawned on him that he got things @rse-about-face. In short, if CMS is happy here, why risk it for an extra few quid that will make no actually difference to his life, only his monthly bank statement. You can't spend it all and you can't take it with you. Sermon over.[/p][/quote]A lot of what you say is true that money doesn't bring happiness and Mark doesn't entirely disagree with that either. In most people's eyes CMS is a wealthy young man but if you ask CMS he would probably not feel wealthy even with a couple of million in the bank because once a footballer retires they have few other skills to earn a living and a couple of million will soon get spent. Even if CMS is on 17k pw at least 10k of that will go to the agent and the tax man. So CMS might only save 5k per week or 1m over a 4 year contract. Why do you think he would be less happy at another club being paid more money? If you're the type of person that gets on with people you'll make friends at any club you go to and the fans will worship the ground you walk on. You'll also have more money and the pleasant thought that your new club values you more highly in financial terms than your old club Do you think Murray is now less happy at CP than he was at Brighton who wouldn't pay his market value but were prepared to go overboard for CMS? As Mark points out a football club is a business and not a social club. You can see by the stance the club takes over Ward's wages that it's business, business, business and nothing else Therefore, If CMS a Scottish international doesn't want 25-30k pw he'd have to be a prize charlie pte
  • Score: 4

1:03am Sun 20 Jul 14

kwaidam says...

I see borini has signed for Sunderland for 14 million. That makes 8mill ulloa a bargain but not as much a bargain as 4 mill for Ricky lambert. Leo deserves all he gets, will score goals and make a nuisance of himself to all the mediocre prem defenses. He will be a good fit for Leicester. Everyone's a winner.
I see borini has signed for Sunderland for 14 million. That makes 8mill ulloa a bargain but not as much a bargain as 4 mill for Ricky lambert. Leo deserves all he gets, will score goals and make a nuisance of himself to all the mediocre prem defenses. He will be a good fit for Leicester. Everyone's a winner. kwaidam
  • Score: 2

7:58am Sun 20 Jul 14

Quiterie says...

kwaidam wrote:
I see borini has signed for Sunderland for 14 million. That makes 8mill ulloa a bargain but not as much a bargain as 4 mill for Ricky lambert. Leo deserves all he gets, will score goals and make a nuisance of himself to all the mediocre prem defenses. He will be a good fit for Leicester. Everyone's a winner.
You could also say that the £8m Liverpool have paid for Loic Remy (proven at Premier level) makes Ulloa overvalued at the same price ;-)
[quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: I see borini has signed for Sunderland for 14 million. That makes 8mill ulloa a bargain but not as much a bargain as 4 mill for Ricky lambert. Leo deserves all he gets, will score goals and make a nuisance of himself to all the mediocre prem defenses. He will be a good fit for Leicester. Everyone's a winner.[/p][/quote]You could also say that the £8m Liverpool have paid for Loic Remy (proven at Premier level) makes Ulloa overvalued at the same price ;-) Quiterie
  • Score: 4

10:36am Sun 20 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

The Phantom wrote:
Justin wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m.
Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?
Maybe in terms of rough counting Brighton's figure is including the VAT and Leicester's isn't?

Looks a really good price for Ulloa and suspect it has gone up a couple of million because of McCormack going for approx 11M. Ulloa was a top player for us with great strength, good aerial ability (especially in the penalty area) and generally good hold up play. Will potentially benefit from a more direct style of play and a higher tempo. Has some faults as well but think he can be a really solid signing for Leicester, probably getting into double figures and proving a strong and effective team player.
I gave you a thumbs up because you made good points abiut Leo, so forgive me for pointing out there's no VAT on transactions between businesses.
Thanks for the thumbs up......sorry but you are incorrect, there is VAT on supplies between businesses - in this instance the standard rate of VAT would apply.
I don't think that the difference in fees quoted is VAT, there is another possible explanation.
When the story first broke that the Albion had accepted Leicester's offer on Friday both the Leicester Mercury and the Argus (at that time) quoted the fee as being 'just over £7 million which I took to mean about £7,200,000..
Now that might actually be the figure that BHA receive net. If the total fee is in fact be the £8 mill that the Argus is now reporting, when you take off 10% (£800,000) for Ulloa's share etc the figure nets down to, you've guessed it, £7.2 million !
I am not aware of Ulloa having put in a transfer request and therefore 'waiving' his entitlement so that seems a likely explanation.
I hope that helps. Either way the Albion will receive a very substantial sum which is by some distance a club record. Well done to Bloom and Barber.
[quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m. Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?[/p][/quote]Maybe in terms of rough counting Brighton's figure is including the VAT and Leicester's isn't? Looks a really good price for Ulloa and suspect it has gone up a couple of million because of McCormack going for approx 11M. Ulloa was a top player for us with great strength, good aerial ability (especially in the penalty area) and generally good hold up play. Will potentially benefit from a more direct style of play and a higher tempo. Has some faults as well but think he can be a really solid signing for Leicester, probably getting into double figures and proving a strong and effective team player.[/p][/quote]I gave you a thumbs up because you made good points abiut Leo, so forgive me for pointing out there's no VAT on transactions between businesses.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the thumbs up......sorry but you are incorrect, there is VAT on supplies between businesses - in this instance the standard rate of VAT would apply.[/p][/quote]I don't think that the difference in fees quoted is VAT, there is another possible explanation. When the story first broke that the Albion had accepted Leicester's offer on Friday both the Leicester Mercury and the Argus (at that time) quoted the fee as being 'just over £7 million which I took to mean about £7,200,000.. Now that might actually be the figure that BHA receive net. If the total fee is in fact be the £8 mill that the Argus is now reporting, when you take off 10% (£800,000) for Ulloa's share etc the figure nets down to, you've guessed it, £7.2 million ! I am not aware of Ulloa having put in a transfer request and therefore 'waiving' his entitlement so that seems a likely explanation. I hope that helps. Either way the Albion will receive a very substantial sum which is by some distance a club record. Well done to Bloom and Barber. ballantrrae
  • Score: 2

1:03pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

ballantrrae wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
Justin wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m.
Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?
Maybe in terms of rough counting Brighton's figure is including the VAT and Leicester's isn't?

Looks a really good price for Ulloa and suspect it has gone up a couple of million because of McCormack going for approx 11M. Ulloa was a top player for us with great strength, good aerial ability (especially in the penalty area) and generally good hold up play. Will potentially benefit from a more direct style of play and a higher tempo. Has some faults as well but think he can be a really solid signing for Leicester, probably getting into double figures and proving a strong and effective team player.
I gave you a thumbs up because you made good points abiut Leo, so forgive me for pointing out there's no VAT on transactions between businesses.
Thanks for the thumbs up......sorry but you are incorrect, there is VAT on supplies between businesses - in this instance the standard rate of VAT would apply.
I don't think that the difference in fees quoted is VAT, there is another possible explanation.
When the story first broke that the Albion had accepted Leicester's offer on Friday both the Leicester Mercury and the Argus (at that time) quoted the fee as being 'just over £7 million which I took to mean about £7,200,000..
Now that might actually be the figure that BHA receive net. If the total fee is in fact be the £8 mill that the Argus is now reporting, when you take off 10% (£800,000) for Ulloa's share etc the figure nets down to, you've guessed it, £7.2 million !
I am not aware of Ulloa having put in a transfer request and therefore 'waiving' his entitlement so that seems a likely explanation.
I hope that helps. Either way the Albion will receive a very substantial sum which is by some distance a club record. Well done to Bloom and Barber.
VAT doesn't even enter the discussion, as there is no effect on either club being VAT registered entities. The selling club is simply collecting output VAT for HMRC paid over with its quarterly VAT return, and the buying club simply reclaim the same input tax on its next VAT return. Transfer fees are always quoted at net (excluding) VAT. To reiterate, ultimately there is no net cash effect or profit/loss effect on either club.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: It's a case of who you want to believe, but the Leicester Mercury is quoting us as having accepted £7m. Hope we're not entering another Bridcutt type saga with massaged figures?[/p][/quote]Maybe in terms of rough counting Brighton's figure is including the VAT and Leicester's isn't? Looks a really good price for Ulloa and suspect it has gone up a couple of million because of McCormack going for approx 11M. Ulloa was a top player for us with great strength, good aerial ability (especially in the penalty area) and generally good hold up play. Will potentially benefit from a more direct style of play and a higher tempo. Has some faults as well but think he can be a really solid signing for Leicester, probably getting into double figures and proving a strong and effective team player.[/p][/quote]I gave you a thumbs up because you made good points abiut Leo, so forgive me for pointing out there's no VAT on transactions between businesses.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the thumbs up......sorry but you are incorrect, there is VAT on supplies between businesses - in this instance the standard rate of VAT would apply.[/p][/quote]I don't think that the difference in fees quoted is VAT, there is another possible explanation. When the story first broke that the Albion had accepted Leicester's offer on Friday both the Leicester Mercury and the Argus (at that time) quoted the fee as being 'just over £7 million which I took to mean about £7,200,000.. Now that might actually be the figure that BHA receive net. If the total fee is in fact be the £8 mill that the Argus is now reporting, when you take off 10% (£800,000) for Ulloa's share etc the figure nets down to, you've guessed it, £7.2 million ! I am not aware of Ulloa having put in a transfer request and therefore 'waiving' his entitlement so that seems a likely explanation. I hope that helps. Either way the Albion will receive a very substantial sum which is by some distance a club record. Well done to Bloom and Barber.[/p][/quote]VAT doesn't even enter the discussion, as there is no effect on either club being VAT registered entities. The selling club is simply collecting output VAT for HMRC paid over with its quarterly VAT return, and the buying club simply reclaim the same input tax on its next VAT return. Transfer fees are always quoted at net (excluding) VAT. To reiterate, ultimately there is no net cash effect or profit/loss effect on either club. Withdean-er
  • Score: 1

1:07pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Withdean-er says...

Quiterie wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
I see borini has signed for Sunderland for 14 million. That makes 8mill ulloa a bargain but not as much a bargain as 4 mill for Ricky lambert. Leo deserves all he gets, will score goals and make a nuisance of himself to all the mediocre prem defenses. He will be a good fit for Leicester. Everyone's a winner.
You could also say that the £8m Liverpool have paid for Loic Remy (proven at Premier level) makes Ulloa overvalued at the same price ;-)
Remy, Borini, Lambert - they are all streets ahead of Ulloa. Proven scorers and creators at the highest level, and Remy and Borini have pace, stamina and mobility that Ulloa will never attain at a heavy 28 years old. Leicester have been mugged, but are paying a premium to get players in as the likes of the aforementioned 3 would never dream of joining a club of their status and relegation fodder in 2015.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: I see borini has signed for Sunderland for 14 million. That makes 8mill ulloa a bargain but not as much a bargain as 4 mill for Ricky lambert. Leo deserves all he gets, will score goals and make a nuisance of himself to all the mediocre prem defenses. He will be a good fit for Leicester. Everyone's a winner.[/p][/quote]You could also say that the £8m Liverpool have paid for Loic Remy (proven at Premier level) makes Ulloa overvalued at the same price ;-)[/p][/quote]Remy, Borini, Lambert - they are all streets ahead of Ulloa. Proven scorers and creators at the highest level, and Remy and Borini have pace, stamina and mobility that Ulloa will never attain at a heavy 28 years old. Leicester have been mugged, but are paying a premium to get players in as the likes of the aforementioned 3 would never dream of joining a club of their status and relegation fodder in 2015. Withdean-er
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8:18pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Withdean-er wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
I see borini has signed for Sunderland for 14 million. That makes 8mill ulloa a bargain but not as much a bargain as 4 mill for Ricky lambert. Leo deserves all he gets, will score goals and make a nuisance of himself to all the mediocre prem defenses. He will be a good fit for Leicester. Everyone's a winner.
You could also say that the £8m Liverpool have paid for Loic Remy (proven at Premier level) makes Ulloa overvalued at the same price ;-)
Remy, Borini, Lambert - they are all streets ahead of Ulloa. Proven scorers and creators at the highest level, and Remy and Borini have pace, stamina and mobility that Ulloa will never attain at a heavy 28 years old. Leicester have been mugged, but are paying a premium to get players in as the likes of the aforementioned 3 would never dream of joining a club of their status and relegation fodder in 2015.
Remy has been quoted as being on about £75k/week. Obviously there's no way to know for sure, but it's pretty certain that he's on a lot more than Ulloa will be. Therefore - as always - the transfer fee is only one part of the equation and Remy has consequently cost much more than Leo.
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: I see borini has signed for Sunderland for 14 million. That makes 8mill ulloa a bargain but not as much a bargain as 4 mill for Ricky lambert. Leo deserves all he gets, will score goals and make a nuisance of himself to all the mediocre prem defenses. He will be a good fit for Leicester. Everyone's a winner.[/p][/quote]You could also say that the £8m Liverpool have paid for Loic Remy (proven at Premier level) makes Ulloa overvalued at the same price ;-)[/p][/quote]Remy, Borini, Lambert - they are all streets ahead of Ulloa. Proven scorers and creators at the highest level, and Remy and Borini have pace, stamina and mobility that Ulloa will never attain at a heavy 28 years old. Leicester have been mugged, but are paying a premium to get players in as the likes of the aforementioned 3 would never dream of joining a club of their status and relegation fodder in 2015.[/p][/quote]Remy has been quoted as being on about £75k/week. Obviously there's no way to know for sure, but it's pretty certain that he's on a lot more than Ulloa will be. Therefore - as always - the transfer fee is only one part of the equation and Remy has consequently cost much more than Leo. Ex-pat Arnie
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