Solly hurt as Albion share the spoils with Crawley

Solly March makes an early exit tonight. Pic by Liz Finlayson

Solly March makes an early exit tonight. Pic by Liz Finlayson

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Solly March suffered an injury scare for Albion in a 1-1 draw at Crawley tonight which marked the return to action of Andrew Crofts.

March lasted only 19 minutes before he was forced off clutching his right side.

The England under 21 international is likely to be a pivotal figure for the Seagulls under Sami Hyypia this season in a more central attacking midfield role.

Albion were beset by injuries both before and during the match.

New signings Chris O'Grady, Aaron Hughes and Nzuzi Toko all missed out with a variety of minor ailments, together with Lewis Dunk.

Captain Gordon Greer and Inigo Calderon also both required treatment off the pitch in the first half for facial wounds arising from challenges they were unhappy about.

Former Fulham and Dutch international Collins John, on trial with Crawley, capitalised on Greer's absence to give the hosts a 15th minute lead with a fine, twisting header from a corner.

Kazenga LuaLua levelled for Albion on 72 minutes with a thumping free-kick from long range.

Welsh international midfielder Crofts made his comeback moments before from a ruptured cruciate knee ligament sustained against Birmingham at the Amex in January.

Crawley: Jensen (Spiegel 68); Oyebanjo, Leacock (Robson 75), Bradley, Walsh; Young (O’Connor 61), Henderson, Simpson (Smith 81), Edwards (Bawling 74); McLeod (Tomlin 61), John (Marsden 85). Subs not used: Essam, Richefond, Lindsay.

Albion: Walton; Calderon, Greer, Maksimenko, Chicksen; Agustien (Crofts 72), Forster-Caskey, Ince; March (Fenelon 19), LuaLua; Mackail-Smith (Buckley 66). Subs not used: Bruno, Rea, Ankergren.

Referee: Carl Berry.

Attendance: 2,874.

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9:44pm Wed 23 Jul 14

AlanDuffy says...

First the positives......keepe
r looked assured for one so young and made a couple of decent saves, Crofts late cameo, looked fit and eager showed his class and.........well, that's about it really. Very mediocre performance, no goal threat again, lack of creativity from midfield, this could be a long season.
First the positives......keepe r looked assured for one so young and made a couple of decent saves, Crofts late cameo, looked fit and eager showed his class and.........well, that's about it really. Very mediocre performance, no goal threat again, lack of creativity from midfield, this could be a long season. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 11

9:44pm Wed 23 Jul 14

WiseOldSeagull says...

Let the entire first team sit in bed with a nice cup of cocoa for the next friendly.
Let the entire first team sit in bed with a nice cup of cocoa for the next friendly. WiseOldSeagull
  • Score: -12

9:51pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Vulture says...

Total and utter crap again. This club is a **** joke . New season starts in 2 weeks and we are 5 **** players short. Poker face my arse
Total and utter crap again. This club is a **** joke . New season starts in 2 weeks and we are 5 **** players short. Poker face my arse Vulture
  • Score: -51

10:00pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Lawro was God says...

At least 4 players who would normally start left out. Calde looked past his best despite effort, KLL playing within himself and not running with the ball. Weird sort of game. Like the look of Walton. At the moment he is our no.1. Expect to see a totally different starting X1 v Peterborough.
At least 4 players who would normally start left out. Calde looked past his best despite effort, KLL playing within himself and not running with the ball. Weird sort of game. Like the look of Walton. At the moment he is our no.1. Expect to see a totally different starting X1 v Peterborough. Lawro was God
  • Score: 10

10:03pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
First the positives......keepe

r looked assured for one so young and made a couple of decent saves, Crofts late cameo, looked fit and eager showed his class and.........well, that's about it really. Very mediocre performance, no goal threat again, lack of creativity from midfield, this could be a long season.
It's pre-season - no-one cares about performances until the season starts. It's still very, VERY early and the players won't fully understand the gaffer's plans and methodology yet.

Great to see Crofts return, not so good to see last season's bizarre injury rate continue.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: First the positives......keepe r looked assured for one so young and made a couple of decent saves, Crofts late cameo, looked fit and eager showed his class and.........well, that's about it really. Very mediocre performance, no goal threat again, lack of creativity from midfield, this could be a long season.[/p][/quote]It's pre-season - no-one cares about performances until the season starts. It's still very, VERY early and the players won't fully understand the gaffer's plans and methodology yet. Great to see Crofts return, not so good to see last season's bizarre injury rate continue. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 18

10:06pm Wed 23 Jul 14

tez1959 says...

anyone thats backed brighton at 16/1 to win the league can have 500/1 with me 3 new signings with minor ailments what a great start for the loyal fans always signing injury prone players here we go struggle again and rely on other teams losing youve got to start getting well known players down here and quick who will excite the fans not injury prone has beens as usual sheff wed will be rubbing there hands with 3 points in the bag day one you see
anyone thats backed brighton at 16/1 to win the league can have 500/1 with me 3 new signings with minor ailments what a great start for the loyal fans always signing injury prone players here we go struggle again and rely on other teams losing youve got to start getting well known players down here and quick who will excite the fans not injury prone has beens as usual sheff wed will be rubbing there hands with 3 points in the bag day one you see tez1959
  • Score: -25

10:12pm Wed 23 Jul 14

keswick says...

Shows the need for some reinforcements. Goalkeeper, left back, creative midfielder and another forward are the minimum requirements. Our midfield in particular was too light last season with too many similar types of player but who will play that killer ball ?
Shows the need for some reinforcements. Goalkeeper, left back, creative midfielder and another forward are the minimum requirements. Our midfield in particular was too light last season with too many similar types of player but who will play that killer ball ? keswick
  • Score: 0

10:18pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

First thing tomorrow morning we need to go on a shopping spree and tonight was the proof, theres a minimum of £8 million doing nothing meanwhile our threadbare squad struggles against a team that were a non league outfit not long ago. There could be an awful lot of booing at the Amex next season at this rate.
First thing tomorrow morning we need to go on a shopping spree and tonight was the proof, theres a minimum of £8 million doing nothing meanwhile our threadbare squad struggles against a team that were a non league outfit not long ago. There could be an awful lot of booing at the Amex next season at this rate. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -21

10:22pm Wed 23 Jul 14

portugal35 says...

Let the relegation battle commence.
Let the relegation battle commence. portugal35
  • Score: -21

10:40pm Wed 23 Jul 14

wenners says...

tez1959 wrote:
anyone thats backed brighton at 16/1 to win the league can have 500/1 with me 3 new signings with minor ailments what a great start for the loyal fans always signing injury prone players here we go struggle again and rely on other teams losing youve got to start getting well known players down here and quick who will excite the fans not injury prone has beens as usual sheff wed will be rubbing there hands with 3 points in the bag day one you see
Did you learn anything at school about English ,writing and punctuation. Whatever you have said here is totally incomprehensible . What the hell are you talking about .
[quote][p][bold]tez1959[/bold] wrote: anyone thats backed brighton at 16/1 to win the league can have 500/1 with me 3 new signings with minor ailments what a great start for the loyal fans always signing injury prone players here we go struggle again and rely on other teams losing youve got to start getting well known players down here and quick who will excite the fans not injury prone has beens as usual sheff wed will be rubbing there hands with 3 points in the bag day one you see[/p][/quote]Did you learn anything at school about English ,writing and punctuation. Whatever you have said here is totally incomprehensible . What the hell are you talking about . wenners
  • Score: 16

10:41pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Kaz scored a goal, must be all that pool he's playing. UTA
Kaz scored a goal, must be all that pool he's playing. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 9

10:41pm Wed 23 Jul 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
First the positives......keepe


r looked assured for one so young and made a couple of decent saves, Crofts late cameo, looked fit and eager showed his class and.........well, that's about it really. Very mediocre performance, no goal threat again, lack of creativity from midfield, this could be a long season.
It's pre-season - no-one cares about performances until the season starts. It's still very, VERY early and the players won't fully understand the gaffer's plans and methodology yet.

Great to see Crofts return, not so good to see last season's bizarre injury rate continue.
Result not going our way okido,no one cares about performance ???,its still very VERY early ???.
You must be a troll or just a **** taking the urine.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: First the positives......keepe r looked assured for one so young and made a couple of decent saves, Crofts late cameo, looked fit and eager showed his class and.........well, that's about it really. Very mediocre performance, no goal threat again, lack of creativity from midfield, this could be a long season.[/p][/quote]It's pre-season - no-one cares about performances until the season starts. It's still very, VERY early and the players won't fully understand the gaffer's plans and methodology yet. Great to see Crofts return, not so good to see last season's bizarre injury rate continue.[/p][/quote]Result not going our way okido,no one cares about performance ???,its still very VERY early ???. You must be a troll or just a **** taking the urine. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -9

10:43pm Wed 23 Jul 14

wenners says...

tez1959 wrote:
anyone thats backed brighton at 16/1 to win the league can have 500/1 with me 3 new signings with minor ailments what a great start for the loyal fans always signing injury prone players here we go struggle again and rely on other teams losing youve got to start getting well known players down here and quick who will excite the fans not injury prone has beens as usual sheff wed will be rubbing there hands with 3 points in the bag day one you see
What the hell are you saying here? ..Did you learn nothing at school about English comprehension, or punctuation ? Nothing here you say makes any sense . Absolute garbage.
[quote][p][bold]tez1959[/bold] wrote: anyone thats backed brighton at 16/1 to win the league can have 500/1 with me 3 new signings with minor ailments what a great start for the loyal fans always signing injury prone players here we go struggle again and rely on other teams losing youve got to start getting well known players down here and quick who will excite the fans not injury prone has beens as usual sheff wed will be rubbing there hands with 3 points in the bag day one you see[/p][/quote]What the hell are you saying here? ..Did you learn nothing at school about English comprehension, or punctuation ? Nothing here you say makes any sense . Absolute garbage. wenners
  • Score: 6

10:53pm Wed 23 Jul 14

stonegold says...

Dire!
Dire! stonegold
  • Score: 0

11:08pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
First the positives......keepe



r looked assured for one so young and made a couple of decent saves, Crofts late cameo, looked fit and eager showed his class and.........well, that's about it really. Very mediocre performance, no goal threat again, lack of creativity from midfield, this could be a long season.
It's pre-season - no-one cares about performances until the season starts. It's still very, VERY early and the players won't fully understand the gaffer's plans and methodology yet.

Great to see Crofts return, not so good to see last season's bizarre injury rate continue.
Result not going our way okido,no one cares about performance ???,its still very VERY early ???.
You must be a troll or just a **** taking the urine.
Yep, banned to rights. Everything I've ever written supporting the club proves without doubt I'm a troll. Sigh... where's Cockwomble when you need him?
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: First the positives......keepe r looked assured for one so young and made a couple of decent saves, Crofts late cameo, looked fit and eager showed his class and.........well, that's about it really. Very mediocre performance, no goal threat again, lack of creativity from midfield, this could be a long season.[/p][/quote]It's pre-season - no-one cares about performances until the season starts. It's still very, VERY early and the players won't fully understand the gaffer's plans and methodology yet. Great to see Crofts return, not so good to see last season's bizarre injury rate continue.[/p][/quote]Result not going our way okido,no one cares about performance ???,its still very VERY early ???. You must be a troll or just a **** taking the urine.[/p][/quote]Yep, banned to rights. Everything I've ever written supporting the club proves without doubt I'm a troll. Sigh... where's Cockwomble when you need him? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 6

11:16pm Wed 23 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
First the positives......keepe


r looked assured for one so young and made a couple of decent saves, Crofts late cameo, looked fit and eager showed his class and.........well, that's about it really. Very mediocre performance, no goal threat again, lack of creativity from midfield, this could be a long season.
It's pre-season - no-one cares about performances until the season starts. It's still very, VERY early and the players won't fully understand the gaffer's plans and methodology yet.

Great to see Crofts return, not so good to see last season's bizarre injury rate continue.
Ex-Pat you and I are usually pretty much on the same page but, today we are seeing things from very different positions.

Whilst I accept that we don't as yet have a full squad, and yeah, we had some guys out with knocks, surely thos that we put out today should get the basics right. The first half tonight saw passes going astray, very little threat when going forward, and not a defender in sight at the time of Crawley's goal, well not competing for the ball that is, it was a free header. I guess there was a slight improvement in the second half, but improvement wasn't hard to come by given the first 45.

Sami has said that results don't matter pre-season, and that's true, but getting the basics right does.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: First the positives......keepe r looked assured for one so young and made a couple of decent saves, Crofts late cameo, looked fit and eager showed his class and.........well, that's about it really. Very mediocre performance, no goal threat again, lack of creativity from midfield, this could be a long season.[/p][/quote]It's pre-season - no-one cares about performances until the season starts. It's still very, VERY early and the players won't fully understand the gaffer's plans and methodology yet. Great to see Crofts return, not so good to see last season's bizarre injury rate continue.[/p][/quote]Ex-Pat you and I are usually pretty much on the same page but, today we are seeing things from very different positions. Whilst I accept that we don't as yet have a full squad, and yeah, we had some guys out with knocks, surely thos that we put out today should get the basics right. The first half tonight saw passes going astray, very little threat when going forward, and not a defender in sight at the time of Crawley's goal, well not competing for the ball that is, it was a free header. I guess there was a slight improvement in the second half, but improvement wasn't hard to come by given the first 45. Sami has said that results don't matter pre-season, and that's true, but getting the basics right does. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 6

11:26pm Wed 23 Jul 14

WiseOldSeagull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
First the positives......keepe


r looked assured for one so young and made a couple of decent saves, Crofts late cameo, looked fit and eager showed his class and.........well, that's about it really. Very mediocre performance, no goal threat again, lack of creativity from midfield, this could be a long season.
It's pre-season - no-one cares about performances until the season starts. It's still very, VERY early and the players won't fully understand the gaffer's plans and methodology yet.

Great to see Crofts return, not so good to see last season's bizarre injury rate continue.
Fair enough comment but it's not just about the game is it? Threadbare and seen many players out the door with - so far - insufficient replacements. Is it so far fetched to think a few are disgruntled or is it always black and white for you? Add to that a performance that shows no improvement on what we were doing last season sets a few people off. Well grounded criticism is OK. If we accept that we are priced out of the market then we should expect new tactics and a fresh approach to be able to get results. What we saw tonight was the same tactics as we have seen for the last few years with worse players.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: First the positives......keepe r looked assured for one so young and made a couple of decent saves, Crofts late cameo, looked fit and eager showed his class and.........well, that's about it really. Very mediocre performance, no goal threat again, lack of creativity from midfield, this could be a long season.[/p][/quote]It's pre-season - no-one cares about performances until the season starts. It's still very, VERY early and the players won't fully understand the gaffer's plans and methodology yet. Great to see Crofts return, not so good to see last season's bizarre injury rate continue.[/p][/quote]Fair enough comment but it's not just about the game is it? Threadbare and seen many players out the door with - so far - insufficient replacements. Is it so far fetched to think a few are disgruntled or is it always black and white for you? Add to that a performance that shows no improvement on what we were doing last season sets a few people off. Well grounded criticism is OK. If we accept that we are priced out of the market then we should expect new tactics and a fresh approach to be able to get results. What we saw tonight was the same tactics as we have seen for the last few years with worse players. WiseOldSeagull
  • Score: 2

11:28pm Wed 23 Jul 14

blue-eyed-boy says...

The big plus tonight was Walton, most worrying thing for me was Sami, he just sat in the corner of the dugout & hardly seem to get involved, I'm sorry but I want to see some passion, Sami to me comes over as too much of a nice guy, the football tonight was slow & ponderous, felt like chanting "are you Oscar in Disguise"
Full marks to Crawley, they harried us & broke quickly.
It was good to see Crofty back, but Macka needs someone up there competing with centre backs so that he can exploit the opportunities that would created.
Kemi & JFC were too similar, holding on to the ball rather than zipping it about, giving Crawley plenty of time to get back in numbers.
The fact that Walton was the busier of the two keepers & that Crawley had a pattern of play in place, shows there is still a lot to do in the recruitment dept. UTA!!!
The big plus tonight was Walton, most worrying thing for me was Sami, he just sat in the corner of the dugout & hardly seem to get involved, I'm sorry but I want to see some passion, Sami to me comes over as too much of a nice guy, the football tonight was slow & ponderous, felt like chanting "are you Oscar in Disguise" Full marks to Crawley, they harried us & broke quickly. It was good to see Crofty back, but Macka needs someone up there competing with centre backs so that he can exploit the opportunities that would created. Kemi & JFC were too similar, holding on to the ball rather than zipping it about, giving Crawley plenty of time to get back in numbers. The fact that Walton was the busier of the two keepers & that Crawley had a pattern of play in place, shows there is still a lot to do in the recruitment dept. UTA!!! blue-eyed-boy
  • Score: 6

11:30pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Whydontukick off says...

When I migrated to Oz (over 40 years ago) I was bemused by the locals always referring to us as "whinging Poms" ! I didn't know so many Australians read the Argus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! C'mon guys, they are all footballers, can all kick a ball, most have been there and done that before too ! Who can tell me all the friendly results from 3 years ago ......... and who cares ?
When I migrated to Oz (over 40 years ago) I was bemused by the locals always referring to us as "whinging Poms" ! I didn't know so many Australians read the Argus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! C'mon guys, they are all footballers, can all kick a ball, most have been there and done that before too ! Who can tell me all the friendly results from 3 years ago ......... and who cares ? Whydontukick off
  • Score: 13

11:55pm Wed 23 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Whydontukick off wrote:
When I migrated to Oz (over 40 years ago) I was bemused by the locals always referring to us as "whinging Poms" ! I didn't know so many Australians read the Argus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! C'mon guys, they are all footballers, can all kick a ball, most have been there and done that before too ! Who can tell me all the friendly results from 3 years ago ......... and who cares ?
The resultdoesn't matter, you are right, but seeing some progress in how the players perform does matter. We took a step backwards tonight.
[quote][p][bold]Whydontukick off[/bold] wrote: When I migrated to Oz (over 40 years ago) I was bemused by the locals always referring to us as "whinging Poms" ! I didn't know so many Australians read the Argus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! C'mon guys, they are all footballers, can all kick a ball, most have been there and done that before too ! Who can tell me all the friendly results from 3 years ago ......... and who cares ?[/p][/quote]The resultdoesn't matter, you are right, but seeing some progress in how the players perform does matter. We took a step backwards tonight. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -3

11:56pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

Didn't take long for the moaners to come on here. Its a friendly for christ sake, experiment and all that, time to find our strengths and weaknesses. Yes things will improve and signings will come, but Rome wasn't built in a day. Im sure Sami gas learnt from this match and im sure he will out it right. So all of you take some calming pills.
Didn't take long for the moaners to come on here. Its a friendly for christ sake, experiment and all that, time to find our strengths and weaknesses. Yes things will improve and signings will come, but Rome wasn't built in a day. Im sure Sami gas learnt from this match and im sure he will out it right. So all of you take some calming pills. Tony the tiger eastbourne
  • Score: 2

12:32am Thu 24 Jul 14

ringtone says...

blue-eyed-boy wrote:
The big plus tonight was Walton, most worrying thing for me was Sami, he just sat in the corner of the dugout & hardly seem to get involved, I'm sorry but I want to see some passion, Sami to me comes over as too much of a nice guy, the football tonight was slow & ponderous, felt like chanting "are you Oscar in Disguise"
Full marks to Crawley, they harried us & broke quickly.
It was good to see Crofty back, but Macka needs someone up there competing with centre backs so that he can exploit the opportunities that would created.
Kemi & JFC were too similar, holding on to the ball rather than zipping it about, giving Crawley plenty of time to get back in numbers.
The fact that Walton was the busier of the two keepers & that Crawley had a pattern of play in place, shows there is still a lot to do in the recruitment dept. UTA!!!
Good stuff.

I think Sammi now knows that he aint got a lot to work with and its gonna take all his managerial nous to pull us through this pre-season crisis.

I read in the Daily Star that we are on the lookout for a striker to replace Ulloa, they did not say who.
[quote][p][bold]blue-eyed-boy[/bold] wrote: The big plus tonight was Walton, most worrying thing for me was Sami, he just sat in the corner of the dugout & hardly seem to get involved, I'm sorry but I want to see some passion, Sami to me comes over as too much of a nice guy, the football tonight was slow & ponderous, felt like chanting "are you Oscar in Disguise" Full marks to Crawley, they harried us & broke quickly. It was good to see Crofty back, but Macka needs someone up there competing with centre backs so that he can exploit the opportunities that would created. Kemi & JFC were too similar, holding on to the ball rather than zipping it about, giving Crawley plenty of time to get back in numbers. The fact that Walton was the busier of the two keepers & that Crawley had a pattern of play in place, shows there is still a lot to do in the recruitment dept. UTA!!![/p][/quote]Good stuff. I think Sammi now knows that he aint got a lot to work with and its gonna take all his managerial nous to pull us through this pre-season crisis. I read in the Daily Star that we are on the lookout for a striker to replace Ulloa, they did not say who. ringtone
  • Score: -6

12:51am Thu 24 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

Vulture wrote:
Total and utter crap again. This club is a **** joke . New season starts in 2 weeks and we are 5 **** players short. Poker face my arse
North Stand Chat troll stumbles into new forum. Crowd over-excites itself at his profound presence.
[quote][p][bold]Vulture[/bold] wrote: Total and utter crap again. This club is a **** joke . New season starts in 2 weeks and we are 5 **** players short. Poker face my arse[/p][/quote]North Stand Chat troll stumbles into new forum. Crowd over-excites itself at his profound presence. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 6

12:54am Thu 24 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

tez1959 wrote:
anyone thats backed brighton at 16/1 to win the league can have 500/1 with me 3 new signings with minor ailments what a great start for the loyal fans always signing injury prone players here we go struggle again and rely on other teams losing youve got to start getting well known players down here and quick who will excite the fans not injury prone has beens as usual sheff wed will be rubbing there hands with 3 points in the bag day one you see
Ok then, I'll have two quid on us to bag the title at those odds. Cheers.
[quote][p][bold]tez1959[/bold] wrote: anyone thats backed brighton at 16/1 to win the league can have 500/1 with me 3 new signings with minor ailments what a great start for the loyal fans always signing injury prone players here we go struggle again and rely on other teams losing youve got to start getting well known players down here and quick who will excite the fans not injury prone has beens as usual sheff wed will be rubbing there hands with 3 points in the bag day one you see[/p][/quote]Ok then, I'll have two quid on us to bag the title at those odds. Cheers. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 4

12:55am Thu 24 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

portugal35 wrote:
Let the relegation battle commence.
Why? Are you a Blackpool fan? If so, head north, you're very, very lost.
[quote][p][bold]portugal35[/bold] wrote: Let the relegation battle commence.[/p][/quote]Why? Are you a Blackpool fan? If so, head north, you're very, very lost. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 7

12:56am Thu 24 Jul 14

WiseOldSeagull says...

I have a theory. My theory is that Tony is gambling. The principle is this: Make money and sustain the club! We have had plenty of excitement as Brighton supporters these last couple of decades, and now it's time for some mediocre boredom. And why not. As Chairman and Owner he has invested millions in the future of the club. And the plan is sustainability until such a time as we have nurtured a super crop of youngsters. This will take 5 years minimum. In the meantime fans need to be kept happy and we need to at least show some ambition.

He's done well on the sustainability. We must be FFP compliant for the previous year. However, it has been at the expense of ambition. Tony has squeezed too tightly and left a team and coaching staff incapable of mounting a challenge for promotion. For me he's trying to replicate a Burnley. Unfortunately that was a fluke never to be repeated.

Be happy with 5 years out in the cold because we hit the ceiling two years ago as predicted by a clever coach.

UTA but 5 years of mediocracy awaits.
I have a theory. My theory is that Tony is gambling. The principle is this: Make money and sustain the club! We have had plenty of excitement as Brighton supporters these last couple of decades, and now it's time for some mediocre boredom. And why not. As Chairman and Owner he has invested millions in the future of the club. And the plan is sustainability until such a time as we have nurtured a super crop of youngsters. This will take 5 years minimum. In the meantime fans need to be kept happy and we need to at least show some ambition. He's done well on the sustainability. We must be FFP compliant for the previous year. However, it has been at the expense of ambition. Tony has squeezed too tightly and left a team and coaching staff incapable of mounting a challenge for promotion. For me he's trying to replicate a Burnley. Unfortunately that was a fluke never to be repeated. Be happy with 5 years out in the cold because we hit the ceiling two years ago as predicted by a clever coach. UTA but 5 years of mediocracy awaits. WiseOldSeagull
  • Score: -2

1:24am Thu 24 Jul 14

gordongull says...

WiseOldSeagull wrote:
I have a theory. My theory is that Tony is gambling. The principle is this: Make money and sustain the club! We have had plenty of excitement as Brighton supporters these last couple of decades, and now it's time for some mediocre boredom. And why not. As Chairman and Owner he has invested millions in the future of the club. And the plan is sustainability until such a time as we have nurtured a super crop of youngsters. This will take 5 years minimum. In the meantime fans need to be kept happy and we need to at least show some ambition.

He's done well on the sustainability. We must be FFP compliant for the previous year. However, it has been at the expense of ambition. Tony has squeezed too tightly and left a team and coaching staff incapable of mounting a challenge for promotion. For me he's trying to replicate a Burnley. Unfortunately that was a fluke never to be repeated.

Be happy with 5 years out in the cold because we hit the ceiling two years ago as predicted by a clever coach.

UTA but 5 years of mediocracy awaits.
How is he trying to replicate a Burnley?
Tony hasn't been given £48m to spend over the last four years has he?
Promotion investment was made two years ago, and it almost worked, leaving us just 4 points short of automatic. It was a remarkable achievement considering the wealth of a number of our rivals.
Since then, the amount of money we are allowed or are willing to spend has decreased, while at the same time, parachute payments to the relegated clubs have seen a dramatic increase.
Ambition has to have some basis in reality, and the reality is that automatic promotion is virtually out of reach now.
Having said that, I don't share your 5 year plan of mediocrity. I think that when the season begins, we will have a squad, and Manager capable of delivering another top ten finish.
[quote][p][bold]WiseOldSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have a theory. My theory is that Tony is gambling. The principle is this: Make money and sustain the club! We have had plenty of excitement as Brighton supporters these last couple of decades, and now it's time for some mediocre boredom. And why not. As Chairman and Owner he has invested millions in the future of the club. And the plan is sustainability until such a time as we have nurtured a super crop of youngsters. This will take 5 years minimum. In the meantime fans need to be kept happy and we need to at least show some ambition. He's done well on the sustainability. We must be FFP compliant for the previous year. However, it has been at the expense of ambition. Tony has squeezed too tightly and left a team and coaching staff incapable of mounting a challenge for promotion. For me he's trying to replicate a Burnley. Unfortunately that was a fluke never to be repeated. Be happy with 5 years out in the cold because we hit the ceiling two years ago as predicted by a clever coach. UTA but 5 years of mediocracy awaits.[/p][/quote]How is he trying to replicate a Burnley? Tony hasn't been given £48m to spend over the last four years has he? Promotion investment was made two years ago, and it almost worked, leaving us just 4 points short of automatic. It was a remarkable achievement considering the wealth of a number of our rivals. Since then, the amount of money we are allowed or are willing to spend has decreased, while at the same time, parachute payments to the relegated clubs have seen a dramatic increase. Ambition has to have some basis in reality, and the reality is that automatic promotion is virtually out of reach now. Having said that, I don't share your 5 year plan of mediocrity. I think that when the season begins, we will have a squad, and Manager capable of delivering another top ten finish. gordongull
  • Score: 8

4:43am Thu 24 Jul 14

twonk says...

Dirty Northern baskets.
Dirty Northern baskets. twonk
  • Score: 1

5:30am Thu 24 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

ringtone wrote:
blue-eyed-boy wrote:
The big plus tonight was Walton, most worrying thing for me was Sami, he just sat in the corner of the dugout & hardly seem to get involved, I'm sorry but I want to see some passion, Sami to me comes over as too much of a nice guy, the football tonight was slow & ponderous, felt like chanting "are you Oscar in Disguise"
Full marks to Crawley, they harried us & broke quickly.
It was good to see Crofty back, but Macka needs someone up there competing with centre backs so that he can exploit the opportunities that would created.
Kemi & JFC were too similar, holding on to the ball rather than zipping it about, giving Crawley plenty of time to get back in numbers.
The fact that Walton was the busier of the two keepers & that Crawley had a pattern of play in place, shows there is still a lot to do in the recruitment dept. UTA!!!
Good stuff.

I think Sammi now knows that he aint got a lot to work with and its gonna take all his managerial nous to pull us through this pre-season crisis.

I read in the Daily Star that we are on the lookout for a striker to replace Ulloa, they did not say who.
The Daily Star: as insightful as ever. I wonder how they managed to work that one out?
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blue-eyed-boy[/bold] wrote: The big plus tonight was Walton, most worrying thing for me was Sami, he just sat in the corner of the dugout & hardly seem to get involved, I'm sorry but I want to see some passion, Sami to me comes over as too much of a nice guy, the football tonight was slow & ponderous, felt like chanting "are you Oscar in Disguise" Full marks to Crawley, they harried us & broke quickly. It was good to see Crofty back, but Macka needs someone up there competing with centre backs so that he can exploit the opportunities that would created. Kemi & JFC were too similar, holding on to the ball rather than zipping it about, giving Crawley plenty of time to get back in numbers. The fact that Walton was the busier of the two keepers & that Crawley had a pattern of play in place, shows there is still a lot to do in the recruitment dept. UTA!!![/p][/quote]Good stuff. I think Sammi now knows that he aint got a lot to work with and its gonna take all his managerial nous to pull us through this pre-season crisis. I read in the Daily Star that we are on the lookout for a striker to replace Ulloa, they did not say who.[/p][/quote]The Daily Star: as insightful as ever. I wonder how they managed to work that one out? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 7

5:47am Thu 24 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

gordongull wrote:
WiseOldSeagull wrote:
I have a theory. My theory is that Tony is gambling. The principle is this: Make money and sustain the club! We have had plenty of excitement as Brighton supporters these last couple of decades, and now it's time for some mediocre boredom. And why not. As Chairman and Owner he has invested millions in the future of the club. And the plan is sustainability until such a time as we have nurtured a super crop of youngsters. This will take 5 years minimum. In the meantime fans need to be kept happy and we need to at least show some ambition.

He's done well on the sustainability. We must be FFP compliant for the previous year. However, it has been at the expense of ambition. Tony has squeezed too tightly and left a team and coaching staff incapable of mounting a challenge for promotion. For me he's trying to replicate a Burnley. Unfortunately that was a fluke never to be repeated.

Be happy with 5 years out in the cold because we hit the ceiling two years ago as predicted by a clever coach.

UTA but 5 years of mediocracy awaits.
How is he trying to replicate a Burnley?
Tony hasn't been given £48m to spend over the last four years has he?
Promotion investment was made two years ago, and it almost worked, leaving us just 4 points short of automatic. It was a remarkable achievement considering the wealth of a number of our rivals.
Since then, the amount of money we are allowed or are willing to spend has decreased, while at the same time, parachute payments to the relegated clubs have seen a dramatic increase.
Ambition has to have some basis in reality, and the reality is that automatic promotion is virtually out of reach now.
Having said that, I don't share your 5 year plan of mediocrity. I think that when the season begins, we will have a squad, and Manager capable of delivering another top ten finish.
What we're seeing is a completely new dynasty being shaped and at present, no-one, probably not even TB or SH, really knows how it will fully develop.
When Oscar took over last summer he was effectively asked to babysit an established squad. There was a definite feeling of continuity. But during his year, the break up started with Bridcutt's sale and that was followed by a glut of other departures with the end of season cull.
So Hyppia is effectively being asked to start from scratch and at the moment, it's looking like a long, slow haul.
Will we be competitive? Only time will tell, but those who are bizarrely beginning to judge Hyppia already, should (in my view) relax a little.
There are so many unknowns at the moment and one of them is how good he will prove to be as our manager. But at the moment, he may be coming to terms with the reality of how tough a job this is.
After the last two seasons, expectation of our club is high but as far as the team is concerned, all we have at present is hope.
It's time for patience, not knee-jerk assessment because we drew a summer run-out.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WiseOldSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have a theory. My theory is that Tony is gambling. The principle is this: Make money and sustain the club! We have had plenty of excitement as Brighton supporters these last couple of decades, and now it's time for some mediocre boredom. And why not. As Chairman and Owner he has invested millions in the future of the club. And the plan is sustainability until such a time as we have nurtured a super crop of youngsters. This will take 5 years minimum. In the meantime fans need to be kept happy and we need to at least show some ambition. He's done well on the sustainability. We must be FFP compliant for the previous year. However, it has been at the expense of ambition. Tony has squeezed too tightly and left a team and coaching staff incapable of mounting a challenge for promotion. For me he's trying to replicate a Burnley. Unfortunately that was a fluke never to be repeated. Be happy with 5 years out in the cold because we hit the ceiling two years ago as predicted by a clever coach. UTA but 5 years of mediocracy awaits.[/p][/quote]How is he trying to replicate a Burnley? Tony hasn't been given £48m to spend over the last four years has he? Promotion investment was made two years ago, and it almost worked, leaving us just 4 points short of automatic. It was a remarkable achievement considering the wealth of a number of our rivals. Since then, the amount of money we are allowed or are willing to spend has decreased, while at the same time, parachute payments to the relegated clubs have seen a dramatic increase. Ambition has to have some basis in reality, and the reality is that automatic promotion is virtually out of reach now. Having said that, I don't share your 5 year plan of mediocrity. I think that when the season begins, we will have a squad, and Manager capable of delivering another top ten finish.[/p][/quote]What we're seeing is a completely new dynasty being shaped and at present, no-one, probably not even TB or SH, really knows how it will fully develop. When Oscar took over last summer he was effectively asked to babysit an established squad. There was a definite feeling of continuity. But during his year, the break up started with Bridcutt's sale and that was followed by a glut of other departures with the end of season cull. So Hyppia is effectively being asked to start from scratch and at the moment, it's looking like a long, slow haul. Will we be competitive? Only time will tell, but those who are bizarrely beginning to judge Hyppia already, should (in my view) relax a little. There are so many unknowns at the moment and one of them is how good he will prove to be as our manager. But at the moment, he may be coming to terms with the reality of how tough a job this is. After the last two seasons, expectation of our club is high but as far as the team is concerned, all we have at present is hope. It's time for patience, not knee-jerk assessment because we drew a summer run-out. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 14

6:28am Thu 24 Jul 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
gordongull wrote:
WiseOldSeagull wrote:
I have a theory. My theory is that Tony is gambling. The principle is this: Make money and sustain the club! We have had plenty of excitement as Brighton supporters these last couple of decades, and now it's time for some mediocre boredom. And why not. As Chairman and Owner he has invested millions in the future of the club. And the plan is sustainability until such a time as we have nurtured a super crop of youngsters. This will take 5 years minimum. In the meantime fans need to be kept happy and we need to at least show some ambition.

He's done well on the sustainability. We must be FFP compliant for the previous year. However, it has been at the expense of ambition. Tony has squeezed too tightly and left a team and coaching staff incapable of mounting a challenge for promotion. For me he's trying to replicate a Burnley. Unfortunately that was a fluke never to be repeated.

Be happy with 5 years out in the cold because we hit the ceiling two years ago as predicted by a clever coach.

UTA but 5 years of mediocracy awaits.
How is he trying to replicate a Burnley?
Tony hasn't been given £48m to spend over the last four years has he?
Promotion investment was made two years ago, and it almost worked, leaving us just 4 points short of automatic. It was a remarkable achievement considering the wealth of a number of our rivals.
Since then, the amount of money we are allowed or are willing to spend has decreased, while at the same time, parachute payments to the relegated clubs have seen a dramatic increase.
Ambition has to have some basis in reality, and the reality is that automatic promotion is virtually out of reach now.
Having said that, I don't share your 5 year plan of mediocrity. I think that when the season begins, we will have a squad, and Manager capable of delivering another top ten finish.
What we're seeing is a completely new dynasty being shaped and at present, no-one, probably not even TB or SH, really knows how it will fully develop.
When Oscar took over last summer he was effectively asked to babysit an established squad. There was a definite feeling of continuity. But during his year, the break up started with Bridcutt's sale and that was followed by a glut of other departures with the end of season cull.
So Hyppia is effectively being asked to start from scratch and at the moment, it's looking like a long, slow haul.
Will we be competitive? Only time will tell, but those who are bizarrely beginning to judge Hyppia already, should (in my view) relax a little.
There are so many unknowns at the moment and one of them is how good he will prove to be as our manager. But at the moment, he may be coming to terms with the reality of how tough a job this is.
After the last two seasons, expectation of our club is high but as far as the team is concerned, all we have at present is hope.
It's time for patience, not knee-jerk assessment because we drew a summer run-out.
Good assessment AIS. This was indeed a pre-season run out. No league points at stake. No place in a cup competition to lose. Pre-season is the time to experiment and get poor performances our if the way. Whilst we didn't get the thumping victory that all Albion fans would like to see in every game, it seems like blue-eyed-boy would have Sami hung drawn and quartered for not being animated. Perhaps he was quietly observing in a rational and considered way which is surely better than jumping up and down screaming and shouting? But the reality of things is that the squad is as yet incomplete, the strategies still being worked on and the team that turns out against SWeds will be stronger and have greater purpose. Let the negs on here shoot me down and inundate me with thumbs down, I'm still looking forward to a great season ahead. Just as one swallow doesn't make a summer, one mediocre pre-season run out is hardly the forebearer of a relegation battle!

As ever, UTA!!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WiseOldSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have a theory. My theory is that Tony is gambling. The principle is this: Make money and sustain the club! We have had plenty of excitement as Brighton supporters these last couple of decades, and now it's time for some mediocre boredom. And why not. As Chairman and Owner he has invested millions in the future of the club. And the plan is sustainability until such a time as we have nurtured a super crop of youngsters. This will take 5 years minimum. In the meantime fans need to be kept happy and we need to at least show some ambition. He's done well on the sustainability. We must be FFP compliant for the previous year. However, it has been at the expense of ambition. Tony has squeezed too tightly and left a team and coaching staff incapable of mounting a challenge for promotion. For me he's trying to replicate a Burnley. Unfortunately that was a fluke never to be repeated. Be happy with 5 years out in the cold because we hit the ceiling two years ago as predicted by a clever coach. UTA but 5 years of mediocracy awaits.[/p][/quote]How is he trying to replicate a Burnley? Tony hasn't been given £48m to spend over the last four years has he? Promotion investment was made two years ago, and it almost worked, leaving us just 4 points short of automatic. It was a remarkable achievement considering the wealth of a number of our rivals. Since then, the amount of money we are allowed or are willing to spend has decreased, while at the same time, parachute payments to the relegated clubs have seen a dramatic increase. Ambition has to have some basis in reality, and the reality is that automatic promotion is virtually out of reach now. Having said that, I don't share your 5 year plan of mediocrity. I think that when the season begins, we will have a squad, and Manager capable of delivering another top ten finish.[/p][/quote]What we're seeing is a completely new dynasty being shaped and at present, no-one, probably not even TB or SH, really knows how it will fully develop. When Oscar took over last summer he was effectively asked to babysit an established squad. There was a definite feeling of continuity. But during his year, the break up started with Bridcutt's sale and that was followed by a glut of other departures with the end of season cull. So Hyppia is effectively being asked to start from scratch and at the moment, it's looking like a long, slow haul. Will we be competitive? Only time will tell, but those who are bizarrely beginning to judge Hyppia already, should (in my view) relax a little. There are so many unknowns at the moment and one of them is how good he will prove to be as our manager. But at the moment, he may be coming to terms with the reality of how tough a job this is. After the last two seasons, expectation of our club is high but as far as the team is concerned, all we have at present is hope. It's time for patience, not knee-jerk assessment because we drew a summer run-out.[/p][/quote]Good assessment AIS. This was indeed a pre-season run out. No league points at stake. No place in a cup competition to lose. Pre-season is the time to experiment and get poor performances our if the way. Whilst we didn't get the thumping victory that all Albion fans would like to see in every game, it seems like blue-eyed-boy would have Sami hung drawn and quartered for not being animated. Perhaps he was quietly observing in a rational and considered way which is surely better than jumping up and down screaming and shouting? But the reality of things is that the squad is as yet incomplete, the strategies still being worked on and the team that turns out against SWeds will be stronger and have greater purpose. Let the negs on here shoot me down and inundate me with thumbs down, I'm still looking forward to a great season ahead. Just as one swallow doesn't make a summer, one mediocre pre-season run out is hardly the forebearer of a relegation battle! As ever, UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 4

8:14am Thu 24 Jul 14

Havok82 says...

I knew as soon as I'd seen the result, that things would be bad on here. I'm just going to say that for all we know, the team might already have signings in the works. We don't know and I'm not judging until the season starts and the transfer window closes. Last night was apparently poor that's fair enough but one preseason game does not a season make. And finally Collins John is far to good a player for Crawley. UTA
I knew as soon as I'd seen the result, that things would be bad on here. I'm just going to say that for all we know, the team might already have signings in the works. We don't know and I'm not judging until the season starts and the transfer window closes. Last night was apparently poor that's fair enough but one preseason game does not a season make. And finally Collins John is far to good a player for Crawley. UTA Havok82
  • Score: 1

8:25am Thu 24 Jul 14

ringtone says...

gordongull wrote:
WiseOldSeagull wrote:
I have a theory. My theory is that Tony is gambling. The principle is this: Make money and sustain the club! We have had plenty of excitement as Brighton supporters these last couple of decades, and now it's time for some mediocre boredom. And why not. As Chairman and Owner he has invested millions in the future of the club. And the plan is sustainability until such a time as we have nurtured a super crop of youngsters. This will take 5 years minimum. In the meantime fans need to be kept happy and we need to at least show some ambition.

He's done well on the sustainability. We must be FFP compliant for the previous year. However, it has been at the expense of ambition. Tony has squeezed too tightly and left a team and coaching staff incapable of mounting a challenge for promotion. For me he's trying to replicate a Burnley. Unfortunately that was a fluke never to be repeated.

Be happy with 5 years out in the cold because we hit the ceiling two years ago as predicted by a clever coach.

UTA but 5 years of mediocracy awaits.
How is he trying to replicate a Burnley?
Tony hasn't been given £48m to spend over the last four years has he?
Promotion investment was made two years ago, and it almost worked, leaving us just 4 points short of automatic. It was a remarkable achievement considering the wealth of a number of our rivals.
Since then, the amount of money we are allowed or are willing to spend has decreased, while at the same time, parachute payments to the relegated clubs have seen a dramatic increase.
Ambition has to have some basis in reality, and the reality is that automatic promotion is virtually out of reach now.
Having said that, I don't share your 5 year plan of mediocrity. I think that when the season begins, we will have a squad, and Manager capable of delivering another top ten finish.
That 48 million is to cover players wages (ie players can 4 year contracts) without the normal premiership payments and other loss of income.

Thats why you did not see Burnley splash money on big name stars.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WiseOldSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have a theory. My theory is that Tony is gambling. The principle is this: Make money and sustain the club! We have had plenty of excitement as Brighton supporters these last couple of decades, and now it's time for some mediocre boredom. And why not. As Chairman and Owner he has invested millions in the future of the club. And the plan is sustainability until such a time as we have nurtured a super crop of youngsters. This will take 5 years minimum. In the meantime fans need to be kept happy and we need to at least show some ambition. He's done well on the sustainability. We must be FFP compliant for the previous year. However, it has been at the expense of ambition. Tony has squeezed too tightly and left a team and coaching staff incapable of mounting a challenge for promotion. For me he's trying to replicate a Burnley. Unfortunately that was a fluke never to be repeated. Be happy with 5 years out in the cold because we hit the ceiling two years ago as predicted by a clever coach. UTA but 5 years of mediocracy awaits.[/p][/quote]How is he trying to replicate a Burnley? Tony hasn't been given £48m to spend over the last four years has he? Promotion investment was made two years ago, and it almost worked, leaving us just 4 points short of automatic. It was a remarkable achievement considering the wealth of a number of our rivals. Since then, the amount of money we are allowed or are willing to spend has decreased, while at the same time, parachute payments to the relegated clubs have seen a dramatic increase. Ambition has to have some basis in reality, and the reality is that automatic promotion is virtually out of reach now. Having said that, I don't share your 5 year plan of mediocrity. I think that when the season begins, we will have a squad, and Manager capable of delivering another top ten finish.[/p][/quote]That 48 million is to cover players wages (ie players can 4 year contracts) without the normal premiership payments and other loss of income. Thats why you did not see Burnley splash money on big name stars. ringtone
  • Score: -1

8:32am Thu 24 Jul 14

whatnames says...

WiseOldSeagull wrote:
Let the entire first team sit in bed with a nice cup of cocoa for the next friendly.
will there be another friendly ? no tickets printed yet for Saints game, only 7 days away.. rather disturbing
[quote][p][bold]WiseOldSeagull[/bold] wrote: Let the entire first team sit in bed with a nice cup of cocoa for the next friendly.[/p][/quote]will there be another friendly ? no tickets printed yet for Saints game, only 7 days away.. rather disturbing whatnames
  • Score: 0

12:53pm Thu 24 Jul 14

gordongull says...

ringtone wrote:
gordongull wrote:
WiseOldSeagull wrote:
I have a theory. My theory is that Tony is gambling. The principle is this: Make money and sustain the club! We have had plenty of excitement as Brighton supporters these last couple of decades, and now it's time for some mediocre boredom. And why not. As Chairman and Owner he has invested millions in the future of the club. And the plan is sustainability until such a time as we have nurtured a super crop of youngsters. This will take 5 years minimum. In the meantime fans need to be kept happy and we need to at least show some ambition.

He's done well on the sustainability. We must be FFP compliant for the previous year. However, it has been at the expense of ambition. Tony has squeezed too tightly and left a team and coaching staff incapable of mounting a challenge for promotion. For me he's trying to replicate a Burnley. Unfortunately that was a fluke never to be repeated.

Be happy with 5 years out in the cold because we hit the ceiling two years ago as predicted by a clever coach.

UTA but 5 years of mediocracy awaits.
How is he trying to replicate a Burnley?
Tony hasn't been given £48m to spend over the last four years has he?
Promotion investment was made two years ago, and it almost worked, leaving us just 4 points short of automatic. It was a remarkable achievement considering the wealth of a number of our rivals.
Since then, the amount of money we are allowed or are willing to spend has decreased, while at the same time, parachute payments to the relegated clubs have seen a dramatic increase.
Ambition has to have some basis in reality, and the reality is that automatic promotion is virtually out of reach now.
Having said that, I don't share your 5 year plan of mediocrity. I think that when the season begins, we will have a squad, and Manager capable of delivering another top ten finish.
That 48 million is to cover players wages (ie players can 4 year contracts) without the normal premiership payments and other loss of income.

Thats why you did not see Burnley splash money on big name stars.
That's right, Ringtone. They had £48m to spend on funding wages for a Premier League quality squad.
I think we are going a different way about saying the same thing.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WiseOldSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have a theory. My theory is that Tony is gambling. The principle is this: Make money and sustain the club! We have had plenty of excitement as Brighton supporters these last couple of decades, and now it's time for some mediocre boredom. And why not. As Chairman and Owner he has invested millions in the future of the club. And the plan is sustainability until such a time as we have nurtured a super crop of youngsters. This will take 5 years minimum. In the meantime fans need to be kept happy and we need to at least show some ambition. He's done well on the sustainability. We must be FFP compliant for the previous year. However, it has been at the expense of ambition. Tony has squeezed too tightly and left a team and coaching staff incapable of mounting a challenge for promotion. For me he's trying to replicate a Burnley. Unfortunately that was a fluke never to be repeated. Be happy with 5 years out in the cold because we hit the ceiling two years ago as predicted by a clever coach. UTA but 5 years of mediocracy awaits.[/p][/quote]How is he trying to replicate a Burnley? Tony hasn't been given £48m to spend over the last four years has he? Promotion investment was made two years ago, and it almost worked, leaving us just 4 points short of automatic. It was a remarkable achievement considering the wealth of a number of our rivals. Since then, the amount of money we are allowed or are willing to spend has decreased, while at the same time, parachute payments to the relegated clubs have seen a dramatic increase. Ambition has to have some basis in reality, and the reality is that automatic promotion is virtually out of reach now. Having said that, I don't share your 5 year plan of mediocrity. I think that when the season begins, we will have a squad, and Manager capable of delivering another top ten finish.[/p][/quote]That 48 million is to cover players wages (ie players can 4 year contracts) without the normal premiership payments and other loss of income. Thats why you did not see Burnley splash money on big name stars.[/p][/quote]That's right, Ringtone. They had £48m to spend on funding wages for a Premier League quality squad. I think we are going a different way about saying the same thing. gordongull
  • Score: 1

1:33pm Thu 24 Jul 14

arc12 says...

Getting back to the article - it was a real shame Solly went off injured last night as I thought he started well. The problem with so few players at the moment is that it increases the chances of key players such as Solly getting injured in these warm up games. Hope Walton doesn't pick up a knock in the next 2 friendlies as i thought he was the one major positive from last night in a very disjointed performance overall.
Getting back to the article - it was a real shame Solly went off injured last night as I thought he started well. The problem with so few players at the moment is that it increases the chances of key players such as Solly getting injured in these warm up games. Hope Walton doesn't pick up a knock in the next 2 friendlies as i thought he was the one major positive from last night in a very disjointed performance overall. arc12
  • Score: 3

3:40pm Thu 24 Jul 14

ringtone says...

gordongull wrote:
ringtone wrote:
gordongull wrote:
WiseOldSeagull wrote:
I have a theory. My theory is that Tony is gambling. The principle is this: Make money and sustain the club! We have had plenty of excitement as Brighton supporters these last couple of decades, and now it's time for some mediocre boredom. And why not. As Chairman and Owner he has invested millions in the future of the club. And the plan is sustainability until such a time as we have nurtured a super crop of youngsters. This will take 5 years minimum. In the meantime fans need to be kept happy and we need to at least show some ambition.

He's done well on the sustainability. We must be FFP compliant for the previous year. However, it has been at the expense of ambition. Tony has squeezed too tightly and left a team and coaching staff incapable of mounting a challenge for promotion. For me he's trying to replicate a Burnley. Unfortunately that was a fluke never to be repeated.

Be happy with 5 years out in the cold because we hit the ceiling two years ago as predicted by a clever coach.

UTA but 5 years of mediocracy awaits.
How is he trying to replicate a Burnley?
Tony hasn't been given £48m to spend over the last four years has he?
Promotion investment was made two years ago, and it almost worked, leaving us just 4 points short of automatic. It was a remarkable achievement considering the wealth of a number of our rivals.
Since then, the amount of money we are allowed or are willing to spend has decreased, while at the same time, parachute payments to the relegated clubs have seen a dramatic increase.
Ambition has to have some basis in reality, and the reality is that automatic promotion is virtually out of reach now.
Having said that, I don't share your 5 year plan of mediocrity. I think that when the season begins, we will have a squad, and Manager capable of delivering another top ten finish.
That 48 million is to cover players wages (ie players can 4 year contracts) without the normal premiership payments and other loss of income.

Thats why you did not see Burnley splash money on big name stars.
That's right, Ringtone. They had £48m to spend on funding wages for a Premier League quality squad.
I think we are going a different way about saying the same thing.
But they got relegated, so you are wrong.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WiseOldSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have a theory. My theory is that Tony is gambling. The principle is this: Make money and sustain the club! We have had plenty of excitement as Brighton supporters these last couple of decades, and now it's time for some mediocre boredom. And why not. As Chairman and Owner he has invested millions in the future of the club. And the plan is sustainability until such a time as we have nurtured a super crop of youngsters. This will take 5 years minimum. In the meantime fans need to be kept happy and we need to at least show some ambition. He's done well on the sustainability. We must be FFP compliant for the previous year. However, it has been at the expense of ambition. Tony has squeezed too tightly and left a team and coaching staff incapable of mounting a challenge for promotion. For me he's trying to replicate a Burnley. Unfortunately that was a fluke never to be repeated. Be happy with 5 years out in the cold because we hit the ceiling two years ago as predicted by a clever coach. UTA but 5 years of mediocracy awaits.[/p][/quote]How is he trying to replicate a Burnley? Tony hasn't been given £48m to spend over the last four years has he? Promotion investment was made two years ago, and it almost worked, leaving us just 4 points short of automatic. It was a remarkable achievement considering the wealth of a number of our rivals. Since then, the amount of money we are allowed or are willing to spend has decreased, while at the same time, parachute payments to the relegated clubs have seen a dramatic increase. Ambition has to have some basis in reality, and the reality is that automatic promotion is virtually out of reach now. Having said that, I don't share your 5 year plan of mediocrity. I think that when the season begins, we will have a squad, and Manager capable of delivering another top ten finish.[/p][/quote]That 48 million is to cover players wages (ie players can 4 year contracts) without the normal premiership payments and other loss of income. Thats why you did not see Burnley splash money on big name stars.[/p][/quote]That's right, Ringtone. They had £48m to spend on funding wages for a Premier League quality squad. I think we are going a different way about saying the same thing.[/p][/quote]But they got relegated, so you are wrong. ringtone
  • Score: -1

4:27pm Thu 24 Jul 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Watched the game last night. Interesting that there was no sign of the 'Doc'! It was always the new Physio (exGloucester RFC Physio) who came on when it always used to be the German Dr.

Could he have left now? Anyone else see him last night? Argus will no doubt have news if he's gone!
Watched the game last night. Interesting that there was no sign of the 'Doc'! It was always the new Physio (exGloucester RFC Physio) who came on when it always used to be the German Dr. Could he have left now? Anyone else see him last night? Argus will no doubt have news if he's gone! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 1

5:02pm Thu 24 Jul 14

gordongull says...

ringtone wrote:
gordongull wrote:
ringtone wrote:
gordongull wrote:
WiseOldSeagull wrote:
I have a theory. My theory is that Tony is gambling. The principle is this: Make money and sustain the club! We have had plenty of excitement as Brighton supporters these last couple of decades, and now it's time for some mediocre boredom. And why not. As Chairman and Owner he has invested millions in the future of the club. And the plan is sustainability until such a time as we have nurtured a super crop of youngsters. This will take 5 years minimum. In the meantime fans need to be kept happy and we need to at least show some ambition.

He's done well on the sustainability. We must be FFP compliant for the previous year. However, it has been at the expense of ambition. Tony has squeezed too tightly and left a team and coaching staff incapable of mounting a challenge for promotion. For me he's trying to replicate a Burnley. Unfortunately that was a fluke never to be repeated.

Be happy with 5 years out in the cold because we hit the ceiling two years ago as predicted by a clever coach.

UTA but 5 years of mediocracy awaits.
How is he trying to replicate a Burnley?
Tony hasn't been given £48m to spend over the last four years has he?
Promotion investment was made two years ago, and it almost worked, leaving us just 4 points short of automatic. It was a remarkable achievement considering the wealth of a number of our rivals.
Since then, the amount of money we are allowed or are willing to spend has decreased, while at the same time, parachute payments to the relegated clubs have seen a dramatic increase.
Ambition has to have some basis in reality, and the reality is that automatic promotion is virtually out of reach now.
Having said that, I don't share your 5 year plan of mediocrity. I think that when the season begins, we will have a squad, and Manager capable of delivering another top ten finish.
That 48 million is to cover players wages (ie players can 4 year contracts) without the normal premiership payments and other loss of income.

Thats why you did not see Burnley splash money on big name stars.
That's right, Ringtone. They had £48m to spend on funding wages for a Premier League quality squad.
I think we are going a different way about saying the same thing.
But they got relegated, so you are wrong.
But they got promoted, so I am right.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WiseOldSeagull[/bold] wrote: I have a theory. My theory is that Tony is gambling. The principle is this: Make money and sustain the club! We have had plenty of excitement as Brighton supporters these last couple of decades, and now it's time for some mediocre boredom. And why not. As Chairman and Owner he has invested millions in the future of the club. And the plan is sustainability until such a time as we have nurtured a super crop of youngsters. This will take 5 years minimum. In the meantime fans need to be kept happy and we need to at least show some ambition. He's done well on the sustainability. We must be FFP compliant for the previous year. However, it has been at the expense of ambition. Tony has squeezed too tightly and left a team and coaching staff incapable of mounting a challenge for promotion. For me he's trying to replicate a Burnley. Unfortunately that was a fluke never to be repeated. Be happy with 5 years out in the cold because we hit the ceiling two years ago as predicted by a clever coach. UTA but 5 years of mediocracy awaits.[/p][/quote]How is he trying to replicate a Burnley? Tony hasn't been given £48m to spend over the last four years has he? Promotion investment was made two years ago, and it almost worked, leaving us just 4 points short of automatic. It was a remarkable achievement considering the wealth of a number of our rivals. Since then, the amount of money we are allowed or are willing to spend has decreased, while at the same time, parachute payments to the relegated clubs have seen a dramatic increase. Ambition has to have some basis in reality, and the reality is that automatic promotion is virtually out of reach now. Having said that, I don't share your 5 year plan of mediocrity. I think that when the season begins, we will have a squad, and Manager capable of delivering another top ten finish.[/p][/quote]That 48 million is to cover players wages (ie players can 4 year contracts) without the normal premiership payments and other loss of income. Thats why you did not see Burnley splash money on big name stars.[/p][/quote]That's right, Ringtone. They had £48m to spend on funding wages for a Premier League quality squad. I think we are going a different way about saying the same thing.[/p][/quote]But they got relegated, so you are wrong.[/p][/quote]But they got promoted, so I am right. gordongull
  • Score: 1

9:30pm Thu 24 Jul 14

tez1959 says...

wenners wrote:
tez1959 wrote:
anyone thats backed brighton at 16/1 to win the league can have 500/1 with me 3 new signings with minor ailments what a great start for the loyal fans always signing injury prone players here we go struggle again and rely on other teams losing youve got to start getting well known players down here and quick who will excite the fans not injury prone has beens as usual sheff wed will be rubbing there hands with 3 points in the bag day one you see
Did you learn anything at school about English ,writing and punctuation. Whatever you have said here is totally incomprehensible . What the hell are you talking about .
the facts wenners the facts my son.............
[quote][p][bold]wenners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tez1959[/bold] wrote: anyone thats backed brighton at 16/1 to win the league can have 500/1 with me 3 new signings with minor ailments what a great start for the loyal fans always signing injury prone players here we go struggle again and rely on other teams losing youve got to start getting well known players down here and quick who will excite the fans not injury prone has beens as usual sheff wed will be rubbing there hands with 3 points in the bag day one you see[/p][/quote]Did you learn anything at school about English ,writing and punctuation. Whatever you have said here is totally incomprehensible . What the hell are you talking about .[/p][/quote]the facts wenners the facts my son............. tez1959
  • Score: 0

9:33pm Thu 24 Jul 14

tez1959 says...

tez1959 wrote:
wenners wrote:
tez1959 wrote:
anyone thats backed brighton at 16/1 to win the league can have 500/1 with me 3 new signings with minor ailments what a great start for the loyal fans always signing injury prone players here we go struggle again and rely on other teams losing youve got to start getting well known players down here and quick who will excite the fans not injury prone has beens as usual sheff wed will be rubbing there hands with 3 points in the bag day one you see
Did you learn anything at school about English ,writing and punctuation. Whatever you have said here is totally incomprehensible . What the hell are you talking about .
the facts wenners the facts my son.............
p. s. actually wenners yes top of the class . you muppet.
[quote][p][bold]tez1959[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wenners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tez1959[/bold] wrote: anyone thats backed brighton at 16/1 to win the league can have 500/1 with me 3 new signings with minor ailments what a great start for the loyal fans always signing injury prone players here we go struggle again and rely on other teams losing youve got to start getting well known players down here and quick who will excite the fans not injury prone has beens as usual sheff wed will be rubbing there hands with 3 points in the bag day one you see[/p][/quote]Did you learn anything at school about English ,writing and punctuation. Whatever you have said here is totally incomprehensible . What the hell are you talking about .[/p][/quote]the facts wenners the facts my son.............[/p][/quote]p. s. actually wenners yes top of the class . you muppet. tez1959
  • Score: -1

1:02am Sat 26 Jul 14

100% Pure says...

Yet more pure rubbish from JFC.His not even a great league one player and thats the reason no other clubs wish to sign him along with his best friend Dunk.
Yet more pure rubbish from JFC.His not even a great league one player and thats the reason no other clubs wish to sign him along with his best friend Dunk. 100% Pure
  • Score: 0

7:57am Sat 26 Jul 14

Dolph Ins says...

What a bunch of plonkers you are. IT'S A PRE SEASON FRIENDLY. FFS get a grip. I suspect the suits might be planning to sign a player or maybe even 2. Lets just sit back and wait and see what happens. I, for one am looking forward to the start of the season. Chill out. UTA.
What a bunch of plonkers you are. IT'S A PRE SEASON FRIENDLY. FFS get a grip. I suspect the suits might be planning to sign a player or maybe even 2. Lets just sit back and wait and see what happens. I, for one am looking forward to the start of the season. Chill out. UTA. Dolph Ins
  • Score: 0

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