Hyypia in race for signings

Sami Hyypia watches the game last night

Sami Hyypia watches the game last night

First published in Sport by , Chief sports reporter

Albion boss Sami Hyypia says time is running out to get his squad in place for the start of the season.

But chairman Tony Bloom and head of football David Burke are working hard behind the scenes on new signings.

Hyypia is still short of a goalkeeper, left-back, another midfielder, a winger and one or two strikers following the sale of Leo Ulloa to Leicester.

He said: “Hopefully we’ll get a few addtions before the season starts. Time is running out a little bit but we are working hard to get the players in and when it happens is not only up to me.

“The chairman and David Burke are working hard to recruit new faces and hopefully we’ll get them in soon.

“Of course we are waiting to get a few more players in the squad. It was not good when we lost Leo. I would have liked to have kept him here scoring goals for us but, when a player wants to go, it’s a very difficult situation for all of us.

“Now it has been resolved and now we need to find a replacement for him.”

Albion’s three signings so far this summer, former Barnsley striker Chris O'Grady (rib), Congolese midfielder Nzuzi Toko (swollen knee) and Aaron Hughes (ill) all missed last night’s 1-1 draw at Crawley.

Solly March was also an early injury casualty, while Gordon Greer and Inigo Calderon both suffered eyebrow cuts in the first half.

Hyypia said: "It surprised me a little bit the aggressive approach of the opposition but I guess it was a very important game for them.

"It was a pity we had two cuts to the eyebrow and we had to play ten minutes with one less and sometimes with two less.

"Overall I'm quite happy with what I saw on the pitch. We got the ball in the areas we want the ball to be but maybe in the last third we lacked the concentration, movement and lacked the quality in the final third to create more chances."

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5:50am Thu 24 Jul 14

Weploughandmow says...

The game last night had all the hallmarks of a early rehearsal of a play - people just wandering around the stage, getting to know their positions, still needing to check the script occasionally. That's the point of a pre-season friendly of course, so I'm pretty relaxed about things. In fact, I shan't even start worrying about anything until day one of the season, by which time all the players will be in situ. Odd that Sami seems to be saying that the suits are doing the recruitment again - I hope he means that they're working on bringing in the people HE'S chosen, not that they're going to foist their choices on him and say "there you go, make something of that little lot".
The game last night had all the hallmarks of a early rehearsal of a play - people just wandering around the stage, getting to know their positions, still needing to check the script occasionally. That's the point of a pre-season friendly of course, so I'm pretty relaxed about things. In fact, I shan't even start worrying about anything until day one of the season, by which time all the players will be in situ. Odd that Sami seems to be saying that the suits are doing the recruitment again - I hope he means that they're working on bringing in the people HE'S chosen, not that they're going to foist their choices on him and say "there you go, make something of that little lot". Weploughandmow
  • Score: 16

5:51am Thu 24 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Posted this on the previous thread. More relevant here:

What we're seeing is a completely new dynasty being shaped and at present, no-one, probably not even TB or SH, really knows how it will fully develop.
When Oscar took over last summer he was effectively asked to babysit an established squad. There was a definite feeling of continuity. But during his year, the break up started with Bridcutt's sale and that was followed by a glut of other departures with the end of season cull.
So Hyppia is effectively being asked to start from scratch and at the moment, it's looking like a long, slow haul.
Will we be competitive? Only time will tell, but those who are bizarrely beginning to judge Hyppia already, should (in my view) relax a little.
There are so many unknowns at the moment and one of them is how good he will prove to be as our manager. But at the moment, he may be coming to terms with the reality of how tough a job this is. (How many of us are reading between the lines in this story?)
After the last two seasons, expectation of our club is high but as far as the team is concerned, all we have at present is hope.
It's time for patience, not knee-jerk assessment because we drew a summer run-out.
Posted this on the previous thread. More relevant here: What we're seeing is a completely new dynasty being shaped and at present, no-one, probably not even TB or SH, really knows how it will fully develop. When Oscar took over last summer he was effectively asked to babysit an established squad. There was a definite feeling of continuity. But during his year, the break up started with Bridcutt's sale and that was followed by a glut of other departures with the end of season cull. So Hyppia is effectively being asked to start from scratch and at the moment, it's looking like a long, slow haul. Will we be competitive? Only time will tell, but those who are bizarrely beginning to judge Hyppia already, should (in my view) relax a little. There are so many unknowns at the moment and one of them is how good he will prove to be as our manager. But at the moment, he may be coming to terms with the reality of how tough a job this is. (How many of us are reading between the lines in this story?) After the last two seasons, expectation of our club is high but as far as the team is concerned, all we have at present is hope. It's time for patience, not knee-jerk assessment because we drew a summer run-out. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 61

6:29am Thu 24 Jul 14

arc12 says...

"Running out of time to make new signings" - No S**t !

Tell us something we don't know. TB & PB have had plenty of time this summer to sort this out. Brewery and Pi** Up spring to mind.
"Running out of time to make new signings" - No S**t ! Tell us something we don't know. TB & PB have had plenty of time this summer to sort this out. Brewery and Pi** Up spring to mind. arc12
  • Score: -1

6:43am Thu 24 Jul 14

davidburkeslovechild says...

It began with 'the club has hit the ceiling' with Mr Poyet and developed into 'we were the only club in the running to come out of January weaker' under Oscar. We are now weaker still and over the summer Burke has changed pretty much his entire team, surely this is his final chance to deliver before Mr Bloom will need to reconsider the David Burke role and act. Is this the first sign of frustration from yet another manager? Given both O'Grady and Hughes absence have we managed to sign two players who are crocked already?

I hope not and I hope I'm proven wrong.
It began with 'the club has hit the ceiling' with Mr Poyet and developed into 'we were the only club in the running to come out of January weaker' under Oscar. We are now weaker still and over the summer Burke has changed pretty much his entire team, surely this is his final chance to deliver before Mr Bloom will need to reconsider the David Burke role and act. Is this the first sign of frustration from yet another manager? Given both O'Grady and Hughes absence have we managed to sign two players who are crocked already? I hope not and I hope I'm proven wrong. davidburkeslovechild
  • Score: 27

6:48am Thu 24 Jul 14

brighton bluenose says...

Weploughandmow wrote:
The game last night had all the hallmarks of a early rehearsal of a play - people just wandering around the stage, getting to know their positions, still needing to check the script occasionally. That's the point of a pre-season friendly of course, so I'm pretty relaxed about things. In fact, I shan't even start worrying about anything until day one of the season, by which time all the players will be in situ. Odd that Sami seems to be saying that the suits are doing the recruitment again - I hope he means that they're working on bringing in the people HE'S chosen, not that they're going to foist their choices on him and say "there you go, make something of that little lot".
Let's have no doubt that any players that are due to come in should be in place NOW so that they know their team-mates and how they gel together - we don't want 9 August to be like the 'early rehearsal of a play' but unless something happens rapidly that's exactly what is going to happen and that's only if we actually get anyone in! Hyppia obviously wasn't expecting Ulloa to go when he signed the management forms and as for the suits selecting new signings our new manager wouldn't have heard of COG - let's hope Sami is identifying his own targets and achieves a couple of those signings soon otherwise we will end up with another disillusioned manager!!
[quote][p][bold]Weploughandmow[/bold] wrote: The game last night had all the hallmarks of a early rehearsal of a play - people just wandering around the stage, getting to know their positions, still needing to check the script occasionally. That's the point of a pre-season friendly of course, so I'm pretty relaxed about things. In fact, I shan't even start worrying about anything until day one of the season, by which time all the players will be in situ. Odd that Sami seems to be saying that the suits are doing the recruitment again - I hope he means that they're working on bringing in the people HE'S chosen, not that they're going to foist their choices on him and say "there you go, make something of that little lot".[/p][/quote]Let's have no doubt that any players that are due to come in should be in place NOW so that they know their team-mates and how they gel together - we don't want 9 August to be like the 'early rehearsal of a play' but unless something happens rapidly that's exactly what is going to happen and that's only if we actually get anyone in! Hyppia obviously wasn't expecting Ulloa to go when he signed the management forms and as for the suits selecting new signings our new manager wouldn't have heard of COG - let's hope Sami is identifying his own targets and achieves a couple of those signings soon otherwise we will end up with another disillusioned manager!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 34

6:58am Thu 24 Jul 14

AlfieT says...

Long gone are the days when a player chose to go to a club for reasons other than money. Ward said I hope it's not my last game at the Amex, but only if the money's right, eh Wardy? There is no loyalty in football anymore, the Premiership millions have put paid to that.

I think the season ahead does rest on the quality we bring in over the next two weeks, get it right and we could be challenging again, get it wrong and it's a tough season of survival ahead.
Long gone are the days when a player chose to go to a club for reasons other than money. Ward said I hope it's not my last game at the Amex, but only if the money's right, eh Wardy? There is no loyalty in football anymore, the Premiership millions have put paid to that. I think the season ahead does rest on the quality we bring in over the next two weeks, get it right and we could be challenging again, get it wrong and it's a tough season of survival ahead. AlfieT
  • Score: 24

6:58am Thu 24 Jul 14

Mark Dixon says...

Same old story with Brighton i'm afraid with transfers in always left until the last minute and new players having to get themselves bedded in as the season starts.

I have to say this is the weakest and threadbare side l have seen with only 16 days to go until the new season starts and to read more work has to be done in the last third of the pitch beggars belief, didn't we have the same problem for most of last season?
Same old story with Brighton i'm afraid with transfers in always left until the last minute and new players having to get themselves bedded in as the season starts. I have to say this is the weakest and threadbare side l have seen with only 16 days to go until the new season starts and to read more work has to be done in the last third of the pitch beggars belief, didn't we have the same problem for most of last season? Mark Dixon
  • Score: 38

7:02am Thu 24 Jul 14

Eddy B says...

Not a very positive start or particularly optimistic quotes from Sami. Let's hope he does get off to a good start (unlike Oscar) and positivity and optimism self perpetuate. But there is a repeat pattern already forming = injuries, buying players who are injured, those upstairs making the transfer decisions, midfield creativity (although I for one am pleased he is at least trying Agustein), qua'ity in the final third (although that last one is not a unique trait to Brighton of course).
Not a very positive start or particularly optimistic quotes from Sami. Let's hope he does get off to a good start (unlike Oscar) and positivity and optimism self perpetuate. But there is a repeat pattern already forming = injuries, buying players who are injured, those upstairs making the transfer decisions, midfield creativity (although I for one am pleased he is at least trying Agustein), qua'ity in the final third (although that last one is not a unique trait to Brighton of course). Eddy B
  • Score: 10

7:02am Thu 24 Jul 14

Peppers I says...

There is absolutely zero chance of TB spending anything like the 8m from the Ulloa sale. This season will be mend and make do so the books are nicely in order when TB sells the club. Not a bad thing IMO if there is a new heavy hitter willing to pump his money in players to get us in the prem. TB will retain a directorship. This is all sorted.
There is absolutely zero chance of TB spending anything like the 8m from the Ulloa sale. This season will be mend and make do so the books are nicely in order when TB sells the club. Not a bad thing IMO if there is a new heavy hitter willing to pump his money in players to get us in the prem. TB will retain a directorship. This is all sorted. Peppers I
  • Score: -16

7:10am Thu 24 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

davidburkeslovechild wrote:
It began with 'the club has hit the ceiling' with Mr Poyet and developed into 'we were the only club in the running to come out of January weaker' under Oscar. We are now weaker still and over the summer Burke has changed pretty much his entire team, surely this is his final chance to deliver before Mr Bloom will need to reconsider the David Burke role and act. Is this the first sign of frustration from yet another manager? Given both O'Grady and Hughes absence have we managed to sign two players who are crocked already?

I hope not and I hope I'm proven wrong.
Don't agree with some of your points, but do concede that at present we seem to have got progressively weaker in consecutive windows. We've sold off - or in some cases, released - the crown jewels and have yet to replace them.
Whether we shop in Cartier or Ratners, remains to be seen, but it's not yet time to panic..
[quote][p][bold]davidburkeslovechild[/bold] wrote: It began with 'the club has hit the ceiling' with Mr Poyet and developed into 'we were the only club in the running to come out of January weaker' under Oscar. We are now weaker still and over the summer Burke has changed pretty much his entire team, surely this is his final chance to deliver before Mr Bloom will need to reconsider the David Burke role and act. Is this the first sign of frustration from yet another manager? Given both O'Grady and Hughes absence have we managed to sign two players who are crocked already? I hope not and I hope I'm proven wrong.[/p][/quote]Don't agree with some of your points, but do concede that at present we seem to have got progressively weaker in consecutive windows. We've sold off - or in some cases, released - the crown jewels and have yet to replace them. Whether we shop in Cartier or Ratners, remains to be seen, but it's not yet time to panic.. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 15

7:14am Thu 24 Jul 14

bill porter says...

In a World Cup year, things are always later. Big clubs sign the stars of the tournament, players then leave them to other top flight teams who in turn sell off their players who won't make their 25 man squads. Loan signings for the season are always late in case the parent club lose a player to long term injury in pre season so they wait until the squad deadline.

We are third or fourth in this food chain so will need to be patient.
In a World Cup year, things are always later. Big clubs sign the stars of the tournament, players then leave them to other top flight teams who in turn sell off their players who won't make their 25 man squads. Loan signings for the season are always late in case the parent club lose a player to long term injury in pre season so they wait until the squad deadline. We are third or fourth in this food chain so will need to be patient. bill porter
  • Score: 30

7:15am Thu 24 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Weploughandmow wrote:
The game last night had all the hallmarks of a early rehearsal of a play - people just wandering around the stage, getting to know their positions, still needing to check the script occasionally. That's the point of a pre-season friendly of course, so I'm pretty relaxed about things. In fact, I shan't even start worrying about anything until day one of the season, by which time all the players will be in situ. Odd that Sami seems to be saying that the suits are doing the recruitment again - I hope he means that they're working on bringing in the people HE'S chosen, not that they're going to foist their choices on him and say "there you go, make something of that little lot".
Let's have no doubt that any players that are due to come in should be in place NOW so that they know their team-mates and how they gel together - we don't want 9 August to be like the 'early rehearsal of a play' but unless something happens rapidly that's exactly what is going to happen and that's only if we actually get anyone in! Hyppia obviously wasn't expecting Ulloa to go when he signed the management forms and as for the suits selecting new signings our new manager wouldn't have heard of COG - let's hope Sami is identifying his own targets and achieves a couple of those signings soon otherwise we will end up with another disillusioned manager!!
Perhaps, just perhaps, the delay in making signings is because Hyppia is insisting on what was openly discussed upon appointment, namely that he is firmly part of the process?
Perhaps it's a sign that he's digging his heels in if (and I emphasise if) there are attempts at gentle persuasion.....
Or are we reading too much into things?
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Weploughandmow[/bold] wrote: The game last night had all the hallmarks of a early rehearsal of a play - people just wandering around the stage, getting to know their positions, still needing to check the script occasionally. That's the point of a pre-season friendly of course, so I'm pretty relaxed about things. In fact, I shan't even start worrying about anything until day one of the season, by which time all the players will be in situ. Odd that Sami seems to be saying that the suits are doing the recruitment again - I hope he means that they're working on bringing in the people HE'S chosen, not that they're going to foist their choices on him and say "there you go, make something of that little lot".[/p][/quote]Let's have no doubt that any players that are due to come in should be in place NOW so that they know their team-mates and how they gel together - we don't want 9 August to be like the 'early rehearsal of a play' but unless something happens rapidly that's exactly what is going to happen and that's only if we actually get anyone in! Hyppia obviously wasn't expecting Ulloa to go when he signed the management forms and as for the suits selecting new signings our new manager wouldn't have heard of COG - let's hope Sami is identifying his own targets and achieves a couple of those signings soon otherwise we will end up with another disillusioned manager!![/p][/quote]Perhaps, just perhaps, the delay in making signings is because Hyppia is insisting on what was openly discussed upon appointment, namely that he is firmly part of the process? Perhaps it's a sign that he's digging his heels in if (and I emphasise if) there are attempts at gentle persuasion..... Or are we reading too much into things? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 3

7:17am Thu 24 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

bill porter wrote:
In a World Cup year, things are always later. Big clubs sign the stars of the tournament, players then leave them to other top flight teams who in turn sell off their players who won't make their 25 man squads. Loan signings for the season are always late in case the parent club lose a player to long term injury in pre season so they wait until the squad deadline.

We are third or fourth in this food chain so will need to be patient.
Very fair point.
[quote][p][bold]bill porter[/bold] wrote: In a World Cup year, things are always later. Big clubs sign the stars of the tournament, players then leave them to other top flight teams who in turn sell off their players who won't make their 25 man squads. Loan signings for the season are always late in case the parent club lose a player to long term injury in pre season so they wait until the squad deadline. We are third or fourth in this food chain so will need to be patient.[/p][/quote]Very fair point. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 7

7:32am Thu 24 Jul 14

Neville says...

The hieracrchy really have to take most of the blame for the fiascos of the past two and half seasons. The recruitment of players has always been retrospective. Started with GP and the influx at the last moment (Dobbie,Hammond etc).player talks breaking down Van Djick.
Same with Oscar,players left and not replaced (Barnes,Bridcutt,ElA
bd etc) ,failed bids and talks breaking down (Conway,Grabban) and inadequate last minute loans, Lita,Obika.
I fully understand the financial situation needs sorting but not to the total detriment of the team, also two managers have gone and how long is Hyypia going to put up with this mismanagement.
You only have to read the fans websites and the Argus, to see that many are getting frustrated with any lack of communication from the club or any new quality signings.
The club never used the budget from last year or the monies from Bridcutt and Barnes to strengthen the squad (Stephens being the only purchase) and now have 8 m from Ulloa sale.
Some money has to be spent but it will be very prudent and whereas we have been a mid table team punching above our weight for the past two seasons this season could well be struggling to achieve mid table.
TB has been fantastic but I fear and its great having the Stadium and Academy but ,as I have said before unless there is a balance and some investment on the playing side then crowds will slowly decrease. Season ticket holders come renewal time will make a choice dependent on how we are doing and a good few will just pick their matches dependent on the opposition.
I have supported the club a good number of years but like many others feel underwhelmed by the recruitment policy and also remember a lot of the backroom staff have also left and not as yet been replaced.
This situation is also putting the manager under unfair pressure and its the hierarchy thats needs sorting TB.
The hieracrchy really have to take most of the blame for the fiascos of the past two and half seasons. The recruitment of players has always been retrospective. Started with GP and the influx at the last moment (Dobbie,Hammond etc).player talks breaking down Van Djick. Same with Oscar,players left and not replaced (Barnes,Bridcutt,ElA bd etc) ,failed bids and talks breaking down (Conway,Grabban) and inadequate last minute loans, Lita,Obika. I fully understand the financial situation needs sorting but not to the total detriment of the team, also two managers have gone and how long is Hyypia going to put up with this mismanagement. You only have to read the fans websites and the Argus, to see that many are getting frustrated with any lack of communication from the club or any new quality signings. The club never used the budget from last year or the monies from Bridcutt and Barnes to strengthen the squad (Stephens being the only purchase) and now have 8 m from Ulloa sale. Some money has to be spent but it will be very prudent and whereas we have been a mid table team punching above our weight for the past two seasons this season could well be struggling to achieve mid table. TB has been fantastic but I fear and its great having the Stadium and Academy but ,as I have said before unless there is a balance and some investment on the playing side then crowds will slowly decrease. Season ticket holders come renewal time will make a choice dependent on how we are doing and a good few will just pick their matches dependent on the opposition. I have supported the club a good number of years but like many others feel underwhelmed by the recruitment policy and also remember a lot of the backroom staff have also left and not as yet been replaced. This situation is also putting the manager under unfair pressure and its the hierarchy thats needs sorting TB. Neville
  • Score: 10

7:34am Thu 24 Jul 14

brighton bluenose says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Weploughandmow wrote:
The game last night had all the hallmarks of a early rehearsal of a play - people just wandering around the stage, getting to know their positions, still needing to check the script occasionally. That's the point of a pre-season friendly of course, so I'm pretty relaxed about things. In fact, I shan't even start worrying about anything until day one of the season, by which time all the players will be in situ. Odd that Sami seems to be saying that the suits are doing the recruitment again - I hope he means that they're working on bringing in the people HE'S chosen, not that they're going to foist their choices on him and say "there you go, make something of that little lot".
Let's have no doubt that any players that are due to come in should be in place NOW so that they know their team-mates and how they gel together - we don't want 9 August to be like the 'early rehearsal of a play' but unless something happens rapidly that's exactly what is going to happen and that's only if we actually get anyone in! Hyppia obviously wasn't expecting Ulloa to go when he signed the management forms and as for the suits selecting new signings our new manager wouldn't have heard of COG - let's hope Sami is identifying his own targets and achieves a couple of those signings soon otherwise we will end up with another disillusioned manager!!
Perhaps, just perhaps, the delay in making signings is because Hyppia is insisting on what was openly discussed upon appointment, namely that he is firmly part of the process?
Perhaps it's a sign that he's digging his heels in if (and I emphasise if) there are attempts at gentle persuasion.....
Or are we reading too much into things?
I genuinely hope that Hyypia is part of this process - but I doubt very much that any transfer dealings will be different to the way they were handled under OG!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Weploughandmow[/bold] wrote: The game last night had all the hallmarks of a early rehearsal of a play - people just wandering around the stage, getting to know their positions, still needing to check the script occasionally. That's the point of a pre-season friendly of course, so I'm pretty relaxed about things. In fact, I shan't even start worrying about anything until day one of the season, by which time all the players will be in situ. Odd that Sami seems to be saying that the suits are doing the recruitment again - I hope he means that they're working on bringing in the people HE'S chosen, not that they're going to foist their choices on him and say "there you go, make something of that little lot".[/p][/quote]Let's have no doubt that any players that are due to come in should be in place NOW so that they know their team-mates and how they gel together - we don't want 9 August to be like the 'early rehearsal of a play' but unless something happens rapidly that's exactly what is going to happen and that's only if we actually get anyone in! Hyppia obviously wasn't expecting Ulloa to go when he signed the management forms and as for the suits selecting new signings our new manager wouldn't have heard of COG - let's hope Sami is identifying his own targets and achieves a couple of those signings soon otherwise we will end up with another disillusioned manager!![/p][/quote]Perhaps, just perhaps, the delay in making signings is because Hyppia is insisting on what was openly discussed upon appointment, namely that he is firmly part of the process? Perhaps it's a sign that he's digging his heels in if (and I emphasise if) there are attempts at gentle persuasion..... Or are we reading too much into things?[/p][/quote]I genuinely hope that Hyypia is part of this process - but I doubt very much that any transfer dealings will be different to the way they were handled under OG! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 18

7:36am Thu 24 Jul 14

Grendel says...

I think everyone is painfully aware that time is running out. Our first league game is in just over two weeks.
I think everyone is painfully aware that time is running out. Our first league game is in just over two weeks. Grendel
  • Score: 21

7:38am Thu 24 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

So now Sami is saying what I and many others have been saying for many many weeks now, we are short of players and time is running out. This points to something being fundamentally wrong. Things are so bad that Blackpool have offered to lend us a few of their reserve players so we can complete our fixtures. We have millions in the bank and there has never been a more urgent need to spend it. I rest my case.
So now Sami is saying what I and many others have been saying for many many weeks now, we are short of players and time is running out. This points to something being fundamentally wrong. Things are so bad that Blackpool have offered to lend us a few of their reserve players so we can complete our fixtures. We have millions in the bank and there has never been a more urgent need to spend it. I rest my case. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -2

7:39am Thu 24 Jul 14

Guernsey gull says...

Hopefully we will get a few additions before the season starts. ! !
Well they does not sound like a Manager full of enthusiasm and ambition does it.
So ,no, I don't suppose the friendly games pre season are that important, but watching that game last night, was really depressing.
We looked like a reserve team from a division one club,at best.
3 new signings all on the injured list, now add Solly March, and then to read the above quote from our new Manager, it's like he's given up before we start ! !
The words of Gus keep coming to mind .!
Hopefully we will get a few additions before the season starts. ! ! Well they does not sound like a Manager full of enthusiasm and ambition does it. So ,no, I don't suppose the friendly games pre season are that important, but watching that game last night, was really depressing. We looked like a reserve team from a division one club,at best. 3 new signings all on the injured list, now add Solly March, and then to read the above quote from our new Manager, it's like he's given up before we start ! ! The words of Gus keep coming to mind .! Guernsey gull
  • Score: 20

7:44am Thu 24 Jul 14

Peteinblack says...

We are going backwards - this year, we have sold Bridcutt, Barnes and Ulloa, and not replaced any of them.
Several players seem to have turned us down in favour of signing for our rivals - yes, I know that other clubs are prepared to pay higher salaries than us, but it also suggests that 'the Amex factor' is no longer an attraction.
The reviews of last night's friendly against Crawley suggest the same old same old - sideway passing, disinterested players with no passion or energy, one lone striker up-front, and a complete lack of quality I the final third of the pitch. Have we learned nothing from last season?
I reckon mid-table mediocrity beckons this season - rarely in 30 years supporting the Albion have I felt as underwhelmed or unexcited about the new season.
We are going backwards - this year, we have sold Bridcutt, Barnes and Ulloa, and not replaced any of them. Several players seem to have turned us down in favour of signing for our rivals - yes, I know that other clubs are prepared to pay higher salaries than us, but it also suggests that 'the Amex factor' is no longer an attraction. The reviews of last night's friendly against Crawley suggest the same old same old - sideway passing, disinterested players with no passion or energy, one lone striker up-front, and a complete lack of quality I the final third of the pitch. Have we learned nothing from last season? I reckon mid-table mediocrity beckons this season - rarely in 30 years supporting the Albion have I felt as underwhelmed or unexcited about the new season. Peteinblack
  • Score: 7

7:48am Thu 24 Jul 14

SonnyJim55 says...

Peppers I wrote:
There is absolutely zero chance of TB spending anything like the 8m from the Ulloa sale. This season will be mend and make do so the books are nicely in order when TB sells the club. Not a bad thing IMO if there is a new heavy hitter willing to pump his money in players to get us in the prem. TB will retain a directorship. This is all sorted.
This comment is spot on. TB has done wonders up to now and we should all be grateful that he has got the club up and running towards the 'promised land'. However, he doesnt have a bottomless pit of money and the fact that we are possibly the best supported club in the Championship with the highest ticket prices BUT still losing money every season says it all. He can see that even his financial input isnt enough now. We will have one of the best infrastructures in the country soon and then it will be time for him to sell.
[quote][p][bold]Peppers I[/bold] wrote: There is absolutely zero chance of TB spending anything like the 8m from the Ulloa sale. This season will be mend and make do so the books are nicely in order when TB sells the club. Not a bad thing IMO if there is a new heavy hitter willing to pump his money in players to get us in the prem. TB will retain a directorship. This is all sorted.[/p][/quote]This comment is spot on. TB has done wonders up to now and we should all be grateful that he has got the club up and running towards the 'promised land'. However, he doesnt have a bottomless pit of money and the fact that we are possibly the best supported club in the Championship with the highest ticket prices BUT still losing money every season says it all. He can see that even his financial input isnt enough now. We will have one of the best infrastructures in the country soon and then it will be time for him to sell. SonnyJim55
  • Score: 17

7:50am Thu 24 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Neville wrote:
The hieracrchy really have to take most of the blame for the fiascos of the past two and half seasons. The recruitment of players has always been retrospective. Started with GP and the influx at the last moment (Dobbie,Hammond etc).player talks breaking down Van Djick.
Same with Oscar,players left and not replaced (Barnes,Bridcutt,ElA

bd etc) ,failed bids and talks breaking down (Conway,Grabban) and inadequate last minute loans, Lita,Obika.
I fully understand the financial situation needs sorting but not to the total detriment of the team, also two managers have gone and how long is Hyypia going to put up with this mismanagement.
You only have to read the fans websites and the Argus, to see that many are getting frustrated with any lack of communication from the club or any new quality signings.
The club never used the budget from last year or the monies from Bridcutt and Barnes to strengthen the squad (Stephens being the only purchase) and now have 8 m from Ulloa sale.
Some money has to be spent but it will be very prudent and whereas we have been a mid table team punching above our weight for the past two seasons this season could well be struggling to achieve mid table.
TB has been fantastic but I fear and its great having the Stadium and Academy but ,as I have said before unless there is a balance and some investment on the playing side then crowds will slowly decrease. Season ticket holders come renewal time will make a choice dependent on how we are doing and a good few will just pick their matches dependent on the opposition.
I have supported the club a good number of years but like many others feel underwhelmed by the recruitment policy and also remember a lot of the backroom staff have also left and not as yet been replaced.
This situation is also putting the manager under unfair pressure and its the hierarchy thats needs sorting TB.
Hard to disagree with much of that Nev, although there is still time.
Like many, I do worry about general direction and your summing up reflects my own that there is a fairly obvious downward trend at the moment, although I'm not about to join the ranters and ravers; it's far too early.
But... from a wider point of view, i'm uncomfortable with the apparent lack of willingness by the club to engage in some level of public relations. Not just an endless stream of empty words from a Chairman or executive that leave the club under pressure to keep a promise, but more a general overview that suggests life is as rosy at the new training ground as it should be with new facilities, new manager and new players.
Isn't it time fans had opportunities to hear in-depth from Toko, Hughes and O'Grady? Isn't there an argument that says a calming word from the club captain and an endorsement of the new boss's methods might steady a gently rocking ship? Reaching out exclusively from official club platforms will always leave people with suspicions of propaganda and manipulation. If there's nothing to hide, why hide it?
In my experience, when negativity sets in with any group of people, its much harder to put it right than stop it from happening in the first place and in our case, aren't we already in danger of people making up their own minds and the mud sticking - perhaps unfairly????
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: The hieracrchy really have to take most of the blame for the fiascos of the past two and half seasons. The recruitment of players has always been retrospective. Started with GP and the influx at the last moment (Dobbie,Hammond etc).player talks breaking down Van Djick. Same with Oscar,players left and not replaced (Barnes,Bridcutt,ElA bd etc) ,failed bids and talks breaking down (Conway,Grabban) and inadequate last minute loans, Lita,Obika. I fully understand the financial situation needs sorting but not to the total detriment of the team, also two managers have gone and how long is Hyypia going to put up with this mismanagement. You only have to read the fans websites and the Argus, to see that many are getting frustrated with any lack of communication from the club or any new quality signings. The club never used the budget from last year or the monies from Bridcutt and Barnes to strengthen the squad (Stephens being the only purchase) and now have 8 m from Ulloa sale. Some money has to be spent but it will be very prudent and whereas we have been a mid table team punching above our weight for the past two seasons this season could well be struggling to achieve mid table. TB has been fantastic but I fear and its great having the Stadium and Academy but ,as I have said before unless there is a balance and some investment on the playing side then crowds will slowly decrease. Season ticket holders come renewal time will make a choice dependent on how we are doing and a good few will just pick their matches dependent on the opposition. I have supported the club a good number of years but like many others feel underwhelmed by the recruitment policy and also remember a lot of the backroom staff have also left and not as yet been replaced. This situation is also putting the manager under unfair pressure and its the hierarchy thats needs sorting TB.[/p][/quote]Hard to disagree with much of that Nev, although there is still time. Like many, I do worry about general direction and your summing up reflects my own that there is a fairly obvious downward trend at the moment, although I'm not about to join the ranters and ravers; it's far too early. But... from a wider point of view, i'm uncomfortable with the apparent lack of willingness by the club to engage in some level of public relations. Not just an endless stream of empty words from a Chairman or executive that leave the club under pressure to keep a promise, but more a general overview that suggests life is as rosy at the new training ground as it should be with new facilities, new manager and new players. Isn't it time fans had opportunities to hear in-depth from Toko, Hughes and O'Grady? Isn't there an argument that says a calming word from the club captain and an endorsement of the new boss's methods might steady a gently rocking ship? Reaching out exclusively from official club platforms will always leave people with suspicions of propaganda and manipulation. If there's nothing to hide, why hide it? In my experience, when negativity sets in with any group of people, its much harder to put it right than stop it from happening in the first place and in our case, aren't we already in danger of people making up their own minds and the mud sticking - perhaps unfairly???? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 17

7:53am Thu 24 Jul 14

Jimmy Langley says...

I detect in Sami's comments a sense of frustration that he is not receiving the support that he expects in terms of recruitment and retention of players. We've already lost two managers because of this; let's not make it three!
I detect in Sami's comments a sense of frustration that he is not receiving the support that he expects in terms of recruitment and retention of players. We've already lost two managers because of this; let's not make it three! Jimmy Langley
  • Score: 23

7:58am Thu 24 Jul 14

Kit Napier's Beard says...

Frustrated and the season not even started.
Frustrated and the season not even started. Kit Napier's Beard
  • Score: 6

8:01am Thu 24 Jul 14

Kit Napier's Beard says...

Jimmy Langley wrote:
I detect in Sami's comments a sense of frustration that he is not receiving the support that he expects in terms of recruitment and retention of players. We've already lost two managers because of this; let's not make it three!
Good observation, come on give the fans something to enthuse about please!!
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy Langley[/bold] wrote: I detect in Sami's comments a sense of frustration that he is not receiving the support that he expects in terms of recruitment and retention of players. We've already lost two managers because of this; let's not make it three![/p][/quote]Good observation, come on give the fans something to enthuse about please!! Kit Napier's Beard
  • Score: 8

8:35am Thu 24 Jul 14

pablobrowno says...

Doom, gloom, doom, and a bit more gloom! The only people who are panicking are the small amount of fans who feel the need to comment online about how terrible things are and about how TB needs to step down because he's taken the club as far as he can. Yes, ok, let's get some Russian billionaire in to own our club who'll pump millions in and see us with recognised ex prem players who will come to Brighton for a comfortable lifestyle and a last big payday. Let him change our name to Seagulls Utd and change the kit so all the players wear beaks. Let's have our DAY in the premiership like Cardiff did...let's end up like Portsmouth in 5 years time having nearly gone out of business whilst the Russian billionaire sold the Amex to his own company and leased it back.

Yes, things really are terrible aren't they.
Doom, gloom, doom, and a bit more gloom! The only people who are panicking are the small amount of fans who feel the need to comment online about how terrible things are and about how TB needs to step down because he's taken the club as far as he can. Yes, ok, let's get some Russian billionaire in to own our club who'll pump millions in and see us with recognised ex prem players who will come to Brighton for a comfortable lifestyle and a last big payday. Let him change our name to Seagulls Utd and change the kit so all the players wear beaks. Let's have our DAY in the premiership like Cardiff did...let's end up like Portsmouth in 5 years time having nearly gone out of business whilst the Russian billionaire sold the Amex to his own company and leased it back. Yes, things really are terrible aren't they. pablobrowno
  • Score: 24

8:38am Thu 24 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

Morning, On talk sport Fulham manager says he has no problem selling Stockdale to a rival championship club if he wants to leave,
Up the Albion!!
Morning, On talk sport Fulham manager says he has no problem selling Stockdale to a rival championship club if he wants to leave, Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 15

8:39am Thu 24 Jul 14

dave from bexill says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Neville wrote:
The hieracrchy really have to take most of the blame for the fiascos of the past two and half seasons. The recruitment of players has always been retrospective. Started with GP and the influx at the last moment (Dobbie,Hammond etc).player talks breaking down Van Djick.
Same with Oscar,players left and not replaced (Barnes,Bridcutt,ElA


bd etc) ,failed bids and talks breaking down (Conway,Grabban) and inadequate last minute loans, Lita,Obika.
I fully understand the financial situation needs sorting but not to the total detriment of the team, also two managers have gone and how long is Hyypia going to put up with this mismanagement.
You only have to read the fans websites and the Argus, to see that many are getting frustrated with any lack of communication from the club or any new quality signings.
The club never used the budget from last year or the monies from Bridcutt and Barnes to strengthen the squad (Stephens being the only purchase) and now have 8 m from Ulloa sale.
Some money has to be spent but it will be very prudent and whereas we have been a mid table team punching above our weight for the past two seasons this season could well be struggling to achieve mid table.
TB has been fantastic but I fear and its great having the Stadium and Academy but ,as I have said before unless there is a balance and some investment on the playing side then crowds will slowly decrease. Season ticket holders come renewal time will make a choice dependent on how we are doing and a good few will just pick their matches dependent on the opposition.
I have supported the club a good number of years but like many others feel underwhelmed by the recruitment policy and also remember a lot of the backroom staff have also left and not as yet been replaced.
This situation is also putting the manager under unfair pressure and its the hierarchy thats needs sorting TB.
Hard to disagree with much of that Nev, although there is still time.
Like many, I do worry about general direction and your summing up reflects my own that there is a fairly obvious downward trend at the moment, although I'm not about to join the ranters and ravers; it's far too early.
But... from a wider point of view, i'm uncomfortable with the apparent lack of willingness by the club to engage in some level of public relations. Not just an endless stream of empty words from a Chairman or executive that leave the club under pressure to keep a promise, but more a general overview that suggests life is as rosy at the new training ground as it should be with new facilities, new manager and new players.
Isn't it time fans had opportunities to hear in-depth from Toko, Hughes and O'Grady? Isn't there an argument that says a calming word from the club captain and an endorsement of the new boss's methods might steady a gently rocking ship? Reaching out exclusively from official club platforms will always leave people with suspicions of propaganda and manipulation. If there's nothing to hide, why hide it?
In my experience, when negativity sets in with any group of people, its much harder to put it right than stop it from happening in the first place and in our case, aren't we already in danger of people making up their own minds and the mud sticking - perhaps unfairly????
Neville and Albion in Staffs, I do hope you two will be attending the forthcoming forum at the Amex, as you both have exactly the sort of questions that need asking and debating.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: The hieracrchy really have to take most of the blame for the fiascos of the past two and half seasons. The recruitment of players has always been retrospective. Started with GP and the influx at the last moment (Dobbie,Hammond etc).player talks breaking down Van Djick. Same with Oscar,players left and not replaced (Barnes,Bridcutt,ElA bd etc) ,failed bids and talks breaking down (Conway,Grabban) and inadequate last minute loans, Lita,Obika. I fully understand the financial situation needs sorting but not to the total detriment of the team, also two managers have gone and how long is Hyypia going to put up with this mismanagement. You only have to read the fans websites and the Argus, to see that many are getting frustrated with any lack of communication from the club or any new quality signings. The club never used the budget from last year or the monies from Bridcutt and Barnes to strengthen the squad (Stephens being the only purchase) and now have 8 m from Ulloa sale. Some money has to be spent but it will be very prudent and whereas we have been a mid table team punching above our weight for the past two seasons this season could well be struggling to achieve mid table. TB has been fantastic but I fear and its great having the Stadium and Academy but ,as I have said before unless there is a balance and some investment on the playing side then crowds will slowly decrease. Season ticket holders come renewal time will make a choice dependent on how we are doing and a good few will just pick their matches dependent on the opposition. I have supported the club a good number of years but like many others feel underwhelmed by the recruitment policy and also remember a lot of the backroom staff have also left and not as yet been replaced. This situation is also putting the manager under unfair pressure and its the hierarchy thats needs sorting TB.[/p][/quote]Hard to disagree with much of that Nev, although there is still time. Like many, I do worry about general direction and your summing up reflects my own that there is a fairly obvious downward trend at the moment, although I'm not about to join the ranters and ravers; it's far too early. But... from a wider point of view, i'm uncomfortable with the apparent lack of willingness by the club to engage in some level of public relations. Not just an endless stream of empty words from a Chairman or executive that leave the club under pressure to keep a promise, but more a general overview that suggests life is as rosy at the new training ground as it should be with new facilities, new manager and new players. Isn't it time fans had opportunities to hear in-depth from Toko, Hughes and O'Grady? Isn't there an argument that says a calming word from the club captain and an endorsement of the new boss's methods might steady a gently rocking ship? Reaching out exclusively from official club platforms will always leave people with suspicions of propaganda and manipulation. If there's nothing to hide, why hide it? In my experience, when negativity sets in with any group of people, its much harder to put it right than stop it from happening in the first place and in our case, aren't we already in danger of people making up their own minds and the mud sticking - perhaps unfairly????[/p][/quote]Neville and Albion in Staffs, I do hope you two will be attending the forthcoming forum at the Amex, as you both have exactly the sort of questions that need asking and debating. dave from bexill
  • Score: 31

8:39am Thu 24 Jul 14

fratsomrover says...

So much negativity !! Personally I'm rather optimistic about our chances.
I believe Sami will be better than Oscar and the team will be strong enough to mount another challenge.
I'm also sure good quality signings will be made. maybe we're leaving it a bit late, but I reckon some quality players currently in Prem clubs may find themselves out of the reckoning once the season starts and will be well pleased to drop down a level to get regular games ( like Wayne Bridge did).

We may not be up to scratch come the first month of the season, but it is extremely rare that clubs who get off to a flying start, stay the distance. ( Blackpool spring to mind). The season Norwich won promotion to the Prem, they lost their first game 7 v 0, so be patient, have faith and give Sami and the team belief. Promotion is earned over the course of the season, not pre-season !!
So much negativity !! Personally I'm rather optimistic about our chances. I believe Sami will be better than Oscar and the team will be strong enough to mount another challenge. I'm also sure good quality signings will be made. maybe we're leaving it a bit late, but I reckon some quality players currently in Prem clubs may find themselves out of the reckoning once the season starts and will be well pleased to drop down a level to get regular games ( like Wayne Bridge did). We may not be up to scratch come the first month of the season, but it is extremely rare that clubs who get off to a flying start, stay the distance. ( Blackpool spring to mind). The season Norwich won promotion to the Prem, they lost their first game 7 v 0, so be patient, have faith and give Sami and the team belief. Promotion is earned over the course of the season, not pre-season !! fratsomrover
  • Score: 7

8:41am Thu 24 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

SonnyJim55 wrote:
Peppers I wrote:
There is absolutely zero chance of TB spending anything like the 8m from the Ulloa sale. This season will be mend and make do so the books are nicely in order when TB sells the club. Not a bad thing IMO if there is a new heavy hitter willing to pump his money in players to get us in the prem. TB will retain a directorship. This is all sorted.
This comment is spot on. TB has done wonders up to now and we should all be grateful that he has got the club up and running towards the 'promised land'. However, he doesnt have a bottomless pit of money and the fact that we are possibly the best supported club in the Championship with the highest ticket prices BUT still losing money every season says it all. He can see that even his financial input isnt enough now. We will have one of the best infrastructures in the country soon and then it will be time for him to sell.
Yes the softly softly approach won't get us anywhere. It's time to get some Arabs, Russians, Indians or whoever to take over and pump billions into the club until we're in the premier league. A Tony Fernandes type character with relentless ambition who will stop at nothing to reach the promised land. That's what we need at the albion.
[quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peppers I[/bold] wrote: There is absolutely zero chance of TB spending anything like the 8m from the Ulloa sale. This season will be mend and make do so the books are nicely in order when TB sells the club. Not a bad thing IMO if there is a new heavy hitter willing to pump his money in players to get us in the prem. TB will retain a directorship. This is all sorted.[/p][/quote]This comment is spot on. TB has done wonders up to now and we should all be grateful that he has got the club up and running towards the 'promised land'. However, he doesnt have a bottomless pit of money and the fact that we are possibly the best supported club in the Championship with the highest ticket prices BUT still losing money every season says it all. He can see that even his financial input isnt enough now. We will have one of the best infrastructures in the country soon and then it will be time for him to sell.[/p][/quote]Yes the softly softly approach won't get us anywhere. It's time to get some Arabs, Russians, Indians or whoever to take over and pump billions into the club until we're in the premier league. A Tony Fernandes type character with relentless ambition who will stop at nothing to reach the promised land. That's what we need at the albion. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -17

8:52am Thu 24 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

Peteinblack wrote:
We are going backwards - this year, we have sold Bridcutt, Barnes and Ulloa, and not replaced any of them.
Several players seem to have turned us down in favour of signing for our rivals - yes, I know that other clubs are prepared to pay higher salaries than us, but it also suggests that 'the Amex factor' is no longer an attraction.
The reviews of last night's friendly against Crawley suggest the same old same old - sideway passing, disinterested players with no passion or energy, one lone striker up-front, and a complete lack of quality I the final third of the pitch. Have we learned nothing from last season?
I reckon mid-table mediocrity beckons this season - rarely in 30 years supporting the Albion have I felt as underwhelmed or unexcited about the new season.
I don't share your pessimism to any great degree. We've replaced Barnes with COG and Bridcutt with Nzuzi, while Ulloa has only just been (reluctantly) sold so those criticisms are wide of the mark.

Where we have failed to replace players is GK and LB plus another CB / M.
This part is far from ideal and I don't know why specifically it's taken so long but if we recruit the necessary numbers (GK, LB and creative midfield especially) this week, there'll be no major concern at this stage of Hyypia's reign.
[quote][p][bold]Peteinblack[/bold] wrote: We are going backwards - this year, we have sold Bridcutt, Barnes and Ulloa, and not replaced any of them. Several players seem to have turned us down in favour of signing for our rivals - yes, I know that other clubs are prepared to pay higher salaries than us, but it also suggests that 'the Amex factor' is no longer an attraction. The reviews of last night's friendly against Crawley suggest the same old same old - sideway passing, disinterested players with no passion or energy, one lone striker up-front, and a complete lack of quality I the final third of the pitch. Have we learned nothing from last season? I reckon mid-table mediocrity beckons this season - rarely in 30 years supporting the Albion have I felt as underwhelmed or unexcited about the new season.[/p][/quote]I don't share your pessimism to any great degree. We've replaced Barnes with COG and Bridcutt with Nzuzi, while Ulloa has only just been (reluctantly) sold so those criticisms are wide of the mark. Where we have failed to replace players is GK and LB plus another CB / M. This part is far from ideal and I don't know why specifically it's taken so long but if we recruit the necessary numbers (GK, LB and creative midfield especially) this week, there'll be no major concern at this stage of Hyypia's reign. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 7

8:57am Thu 24 Jul 14

Mart says...

I'm in a race to buy a new car.

I have been out and looked at BMWs, Mercedes, and top of the line Porsches, but my wife keeps telling me that we just can't afford it because of the bloody big new house plus the annexe down the road in Lancing that we have just bought.

If she didn't take so much money personally out of the household budget every year, we probably could afford it.

I'm thinking of letting her go, the stupid old bag.
I'm in a race to buy a new car. I have been out and looked at BMWs, Mercedes, and top of the line Porsches, but my wife keeps telling me that we just can't afford it because of the bloody big new house plus the annexe down the road in Lancing that we have just bought. If she didn't take so much money personally out of the household budget every year, we probably could afford it. I'm thinking of letting her go, the stupid old bag. Mart
  • Score: 22

8:57am Thu 24 Jul 14

Havok82 says...

Why do so many fans "know" we won't be spending the Ulloa money? How do so many fans "know" TB wants to sell the club? How do so many fans know that the back room staff are the problem why we can't get players in? I must be missing something because all I know is I love my club no matter who's in charge or who's playing for us or what league we're in. We have had great seasons and shocking ones but does that matter? Every team does look at United last season. I've heard people knocking the word relegation about....... Why? Because we have a weak team at the moment? The Ulloa deal has only just happened which means the money has only just come. Let's wait until the transfer window is closed and the season is well under way before judgements are made. UTA
Why do so many fans "know" we won't be spending the Ulloa money? How do so many fans "know" TB wants to sell the club? How do so many fans know that the back room staff are the problem why we can't get players in? I must be missing something because all I know is I love my club no matter who's in charge or who's playing for us or what league we're in. We have had great seasons and shocking ones but does that matter? Every team does look at United last season. I've heard people knocking the word relegation about....... Why? Because we have a weak team at the moment? The Ulloa deal has only just happened which means the money has only just come. Let's wait until the transfer window is closed and the season is well under way before judgements are made. UTA Havok82
  • Score: 11

8:58am Thu 24 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

SonnyJim55 wrote:
Peppers I wrote:
There is absolutely zero chance of TB spending anything like the 8m from the Ulloa sale. This season will be mend and make do so the books are nicely in order when TB sells the club. Not a bad thing IMO if there is a new heavy hitter willing to pump his money in players to get us in the prem. TB will retain a directorship. This is all sorted.
This comment is spot on. TB has done wonders up to now and we should all be grateful that he has got the club up and running towards the 'promised land'. However, he doesnt have a bottomless pit of money and the fact that we are possibly the best supported club in the Championship with the highest ticket prices BUT still losing money every season says it all. He can see that even his financial input isnt enough now. We will have one of the best infrastructures in the country soon and then it will be time for him to sell.
No it won't. Completely disagree with you and the other poster. Yes, he's creating a saleable business but his priorities are far from selling. TB has seen what needs to be done to make the club self-sufficient and has acted accordingly.

The points you make about our support and prices etc are correct and that shows just how hard it is to make a football club profitable, but the key is if we build as we have done we will, if not making it to The PL at some point soon, start to develop more seriously valuable assets via the academy and make money that way....which can then be invested into a promotion squad.
[quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peppers I[/bold] wrote: There is absolutely zero chance of TB spending anything like the 8m from the Ulloa sale. This season will be mend and make do so the books are nicely in order when TB sells the club. Not a bad thing IMO if there is a new heavy hitter willing to pump his money in players to get us in the prem. TB will retain a directorship. This is all sorted.[/p][/quote]This comment is spot on. TB has done wonders up to now and we should all be grateful that he has got the club up and running towards the 'promised land'. However, he doesnt have a bottomless pit of money and the fact that we are possibly the best supported club in the Championship with the highest ticket prices BUT still losing money every season says it all. He can see that even his financial input isnt enough now. We will have one of the best infrastructures in the country soon and then it will be time for him to sell.[/p][/quote]No it won't. Completely disagree with you and the other poster. Yes, he's creating a saleable business but his priorities are far from selling. TB has seen what needs to be done to make the club self-sufficient and has acted accordingly. The points you make about our support and prices etc are correct and that shows just how hard it is to make a football club profitable, but the key is if we build as we have done we will, if not making it to The PL at some point soon, start to develop more seriously valuable assets via the academy and make money that way....which can then be invested into a promotion squad. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 8

9:03am Thu 24 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

fratsomrover wrote:
So much negativity !! Personally I'm rather optimistic about our chances.
I believe Sami will be better than Oscar and the team will be strong enough to mount another challenge.
I'm also sure good quality signings will be made. maybe we're leaving it a bit late, but I reckon some quality players currently in Prem clubs may find themselves out of the reckoning once the season starts and will be well pleased to drop down a level to get regular games ( like Wayne Bridge did).

We may not be up to scratch come the first month of the season, but it is extremely rare that clubs who get off to a flying start, stay the distance. ( Blackpool spring to mind). The season Norwich won promotion to the Prem, they lost their first game 7 v 0, so be patient, have faith and give Sami and the team belief. Promotion is earned over the course of the season, not pre-season !!
7-1 in their League One campaign actually, Fratsom, but your point stands. I'm not panicking yet either.
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: So much negativity !! Personally I'm rather optimistic about our chances. I believe Sami will be better than Oscar and the team will be strong enough to mount another challenge. I'm also sure good quality signings will be made. maybe we're leaving it a bit late, but I reckon some quality players currently in Prem clubs may find themselves out of the reckoning once the season starts and will be well pleased to drop down a level to get regular games ( like Wayne Bridge did). We may not be up to scratch come the first month of the season, but it is extremely rare that clubs who get off to a flying start, stay the distance. ( Blackpool spring to mind). The season Norwich won promotion to the Prem, they lost their first game 7 v 0, so be patient, have faith and give Sami and the team belief. Promotion is earned over the course of the season, not pre-season !![/p][/quote]7-1 in their League One campaign actually, Fratsom, but your point stands. I'm not panicking yet either. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 9

9:09am Thu 24 Jul 14

Mossie707 says...

Most of what is written is not unsurprisingly speculation. Do we really know what's going on? No not really,so it would be good to hear some snippets of positive news from the club to help settle the nerves! Clearly we want our club to flourish and reach the Prem. It's probably going to be a long haul. We have a world class stadium and training facilities and that's cost a fortune (Tony Bloom's) and the foundations for a Bright(on) future is being laid. Can't have it all springs to mind when considering the recruitment of quality players. We can't (yet) compete with some of our rivals on that score so I guess identifying potential talent and the development of our youngsters makes financial sense. Appointing a talented manager like SH shows the clubs intent but he needs to be given the support he needs to make it happen. Shrewd financial business has seen us £8m ((richer?) Let's see where that goes then! I'm glad I'm not in the driving seat trying to comply with FFP, finance the stadium and training ground , minimise the losses AND get in the players needed to get us competing in the top six again. Must be a nightmare! Let's see how it unfolds and by that I don't mean unravel!
Most of what is written is not unsurprisingly speculation. Do we really know what's going on? No not really,so it would be good to hear some snippets of positive news from the club to help settle the nerves! Clearly we want our club to flourish and reach the Prem. It's probably going to be a long haul. We have a world class stadium and training facilities and that's cost a fortune (Tony Bloom's) and the foundations for a Bright(on) future is being laid. Can't have it all springs to mind when considering the recruitment of quality players. We can't (yet) compete with some of our rivals on that score so I guess identifying potential talent and the development of our youngsters makes financial sense. Appointing a talented manager like SH shows the clubs intent but he needs to be given the support he needs to make it happen. Shrewd financial business has seen us £8m ((richer?) Let's see where that goes then! I'm glad I'm not in the driving seat trying to comply with FFP, finance the stadium and training ground , minimise the losses AND get in the players needed to get us competing in the top six again. Must be a nightmare! Let's see how it unfolds and by that I don't mean unravel! Mossie707
  • Score: 13

9:12am Thu 24 Jul 14

Bostik says...

Time is running out, yes.
We are a little short in some areas, yes.
But what we don't want is panic buys which jeopardise our financial situation.
I would rather see some of the kids given a go this season and save our pennies for a promotion push over the following two seasons than go for broke now and lose everything.
We must be patient.
Keeper seemed ok last night and I would like to see the Icelandic lads given a chance. Shamir will probably get a look in too.
We have enough to get by so lets not panic please!
Time is running out, yes. We are a little short in some areas, yes. But what we don't want is panic buys which jeopardise our financial situation. I would rather see some of the kids given a go this season and save our pennies for a promotion push over the following two seasons than go for broke now and lose everything. We must be patient. Keeper seemed ok last night and I would like to see the Icelandic lads given a chance. Shamir will probably get a look in too. We have enough to get by so lets not panic please! Bostik
  • Score: 5

9:16am Thu 24 Jul 14

daveyboy35 says...

It makes me laugh how a lot of people put constructive quotes on here and voice their concerns and all the nimbys can do is put a thumbs down!!! Every Brighton supporter including rose tinted spectacle ones should be rightly concerned after last nites performance!! Unless we get 5 or 6 QUALITY PLAYERS IN, then this season is gonna be mid table at BEST!!!!
It makes me laugh how a lot of people put constructive quotes on here and voice their concerns and all the nimbys can do is put a thumbs down!!! Every Brighton supporter including rose tinted spectacle ones should be rightly concerned after last nites performance!! Unless we get 5 or 6 QUALITY PLAYERS IN, then this season is gonna be mid table at BEST!!!! daveyboy35
  • Score: 1

9:17am Thu 24 Jul 14

Baldseagull says...

Peteinblack wrote:
We are going backwards - this year, we have sold Bridcutt, Barnes and Ulloa, and not replaced any of them.
Several players seem to have turned us down in favour of signing for our rivals - yes, I know that other clubs are prepared to pay higher salaries than us, but it also suggests that 'the Amex factor' is no longer an attraction.
The reviews of last night's friendly against Crawley suggest the same old same old - sideway passing, disinterested players with no passion or energy, one lone striker up-front, and a complete lack of quality I the final third of the pitch. Have we learned nothing from last season?
I reckon mid-table mediocrity beckons this season - rarely in 30 years supporting the Albion have I felt as underwhelmed or unexcited about the new season.
Ince replaces Bridcutt, COG replaces Barnes, ? replaces Ulloa.

If there was a ready made replacement for Ulloa costing less than we recieved, Leicester would have bought him instead.

Do not read too much into last nights game at Crawley, the only truly poor performance came from Kemy, and that was due to dithering on the ball, not lack of ability.
[quote][p][bold]Peteinblack[/bold] wrote: We are going backwards - this year, we have sold Bridcutt, Barnes and Ulloa, and not replaced any of them. Several players seem to have turned us down in favour of signing for our rivals - yes, I know that other clubs are prepared to pay higher salaries than us, but it also suggests that 'the Amex factor' is no longer an attraction. The reviews of last night's friendly against Crawley suggest the same old same old - sideway passing, disinterested players with no passion or energy, one lone striker up-front, and a complete lack of quality I the final third of the pitch. Have we learned nothing from last season? I reckon mid-table mediocrity beckons this season - rarely in 30 years supporting the Albion have I felt as underwhelmed or unexcited about the new season.[/p][/quote]Ince replaces Bridcutt, COG replaces Barnes, ? replaces Ulloa. If there was a ready made replacement for Ulloa costing less than we recieved, Leicester would have bought him instead. Do not read too much into last nights game at Crawley, the only truly poor performance came from Kemy, and that was due to dithering on the ball, not lack of ability. Baldseagull
  • Score: 0

9:21am Thu 24 Jul 14

MikeTheMan says...

I'm sorry but I just find this situation astounding, it happens to us every year and I wonder just what goes on at the Albion soemtimes. I fully appreciate buying players is complex and difficult and clearly there is no point in buying players just for the sake of it. But we've known since the end of last season that we needed half a dozen good quality players. All the fans know the areas in which we need better players and I assume the club do as well. Almost all the other teams have been getting their squad in place: we (Hyppia, Burke etc) should have had the majority of our new players in weeks ago. We are short of numbers and we are most definitely (as last night at Crawley very clearly demonstrated) short of genuine quality in all areas. I'm afraid that basically it all smacks of a lack of any real plan and even more a lack of serious ambition to get into the Premiership.
I'm sorry but I just find this situation astounding, it happens to us every year and I wonder just what goes on at the Albion soemtimes. I fully appreciate buying players is complex and difficult and clearly there is no point in buying players just for the sake of it. But we've known since the end of last season that we needed half a dozen good quality players. All the fans know the areas in which we need better players and I assume the club do as well. Almost all the other teams have been getting their squad in place: we (Hyppia, Burke etc) should have had the majority of our new players in weeks ago. We are short of numbers and we are most definitely (as last night at Crawley very clearly demonstrated) short of genuine quality in all areas. I'm afraid that basically it all smacks of a lack of any real plan and even more a lack of serious ambition to get into the Premiership. MikeTheMan
  • Score: 0

9:28am Thu 24 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
SonnyJim55 wrote:
Peppers I wrote:
There is absolutely zero chance of TB spending anything like the 8m from the Ulloa sale. This season will be mend and make do so the books are nicely in order when TB sells the club. Not a bad thing IMO if there is a new heavy hitter willing to pump his money in players to get us in the prem. TB will retain a directorship. This is all sorted.
This comment is spot on. TB has done wonders up to now and we should all be grateful that he has got the club up and running towards the 'promised land'. However, he doesnt have a bottomless pit of money and the fact that we are possibly the best supported club in the Championship with the highest ticket prices BUT still losing money every season says it all. He can see that even his financial input isnt enough now. We will have one of the best infrastructures in the country soon and then it will be time for him to sell.
Yes the softly softly approach won't get us anywhere. It's time to get some Arabs, Russians, Indians or whoever to take over and pump billions into the club until we're in the premier league. A Tony Fernandes type character with relentless ambition who will stop at nothing to reach the promised land. That's what we need at the albion.
Like a hole in the head, yes!
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SonnyJim55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peppers I[/bold] wrote: There is absolutely zero chance of TB spending anything like the 8m from the Ulloa sale. This season will be mend and make do so the books are nicely in order when TB sells the club. Not a bad thing IMO if there is a new heavy hitter willing to pump his money in players to get us in the prem. TB will retain a directorship. This is all sorted.[/p][/quote]This comment is spot on. TB has done wonders up to now and we should all be grateful that he has got the club up and running towards the 'promised land'. However, he doesnt have a bottomless pit of money and the fact that we are possibly the best supported club in the Championship with the highest ticket prices BUT still losing money every season says it all. He can see that even his financial input isnt enough now. We will have one of the best infrastructures in the country soon and then it will be time for him to sell.[/p][/quote]Yes the softly softly approach won't get us anywhere. It's time to get some Arabs, Russians, Indians or whoever to take over and pump billions into the club until we're in the premier league. A Tony Fernandes type character with relentless ambition who will stop at nothing to reach the promised land. That's what we need at the albion.[/p][/quote]Like a hole in the head, yes! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 13

9:39am Thu 24 Jul 14

mikeygit says...

Have not had time to read all the above posts--so apologies if my post is repetitive.
IMO the Argus headline seems to imply a degree of desperation on the part of Hypia. We were lead to believe that signings were in the pipeline---which may be the case--but saying things like ´time is running out ´sounds as if Hypia is getting frustrated already. Maybe just paper talk but I would have hoped now that we have extra cash from Ulloa that signings would have been imminent ---not a given I know but would have thought there would have been players in the wings waiting to have been picked off by us---as someone else used to say--´it is not eeezy ´!! i think the current situation will give us fans an indication of the mettle of Hypia?? When the going gets tough etc.
Have not had time to read all the above posts--so apologies if my post is repetitive. IMO the Argus headline seems to imply a degree of desperation on the part of Hypia. We were lead to believe that signings were in the pipeline---which may be the case--but saying things like ´time is running out ´sounds as if Hypia is getting frustrated already. Maybe just paper talk but I would have hoped now that we have extra cash from Ulloa that signings would have been imminent ---not a given I know but would have thought there would have been players in the wings waiting to have been picked off by us---as someone else used to say--´it is not eeezy ´!! i think the current situation will give us fans an indication of the mettle of Hypia?? When the going gets tough etc. mikeygit
  • Score: 0

9:42am Thu 24 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

Peteinblack wrote:
We are going backwards - this year, we have sold Bridcutt, Barnes and Ulloa, and not replaced any of them.
Several players seem to have turned us down in favour of signing for our rivals - yes, I know that other clubs are prepared to pay higher salaries than us, but it also suggests that 'the Amex factor' is no longer an attraction.
The reviews of last night's friendly against Crawley suggest the same old same old - sideway passing, disinterested players with no passion or energy, one lone striker up-front, and a complete lack of quality I the final third of the pitch. Have we learned nothing from last season?
I reckon mid-table mediocrity beckons this season - rarely in 30 years supporting the Albion have I felt as underwhelmed or unexcited about the new season.
the word you are looking for is uninterested.disinte
rested means unbiased.only the ref should be disinterested.cockwo
mble
[quote][p][bold]Peteinblack[/bold] wrote: We are going backwards - this year, we have sold Bridcutt, Barnes and Ulloa, and not replaced any of them. Several players seem to have turned us down in favour of signing for our rivals - yes, I know that other clubs are prepared to pay higher salaries than us, but it also suggests that 'the Amex factor' is no longer an attraction. The reviews of last night's friendly against Crawley suggest the same old same old - sideway passing, disinterested players with no passion or energy, one lone striker up-front, and a complete lack of quality I the final third of the pitch. Have we learned nothing from last season? I reckon mid-table mediocrity beckons this season - rarely in 30 years supporting the Albion have I felt as underwhelmed or unexcited about the new season.[/p][/quote]the word you are looking for is uninterested.disinte rested means unbiased.only the ref should be disinterested.cockwo mble Cockwomble
  • Score: 1

9:46am Thu 24 Jul 14

Max Ripple says...

I really don't want to be negative. I don't. I really really don't. But like lots of other posters on here I'm worried. The balancing game in running a Championship football club must be a nightmare particularly with the FFP rules and although I know that they are going to make life very difficult for any team who adheres to them, I believe that they are the right rules to help stop Portsmouths happening all over the country. I don't want our beloved club to be like that - again.
But I am worried that Sami is already expressing little seeds of concern of his own. He's only been here just over a month!
Either he is giving input to transfer possibilities and is being told we can't afford certain players or is being told to keep his nose out of it and leave it to those upstairs.
Now, I know there are people on here who don't like PB, DB and TB being called "The Suits" but I'm afraid their current ability to seem far removed from the players, coaching staff and fans and to stay hidden in their ivory towers at the Amex does start to breed an 'us and them' feeling, and leave them open to slightly derogatory terms like this.

Please Mr Barber, Mr Bloom and Mr Burke - do something to give me more confidence.

And I still say, Up The Albion!
I really don't want to be negative. I don't. I really really don't. But like lots of other posters on here I'm worried. The balancing game in running a Championship football club must be a nightmare particularly with the FFP rules and although I know that they are going to make life very difficult for any team who adheres to them, I believe that they are the right rules to help stop Portsmouths happening all over the country. I don't want our beloved club to be like that - again. But I am worried that Sami is already expressing little seeds of concern of his own. He's only been here just over a month! Either he is giving input to transfer possibilities and is being told we can't afford certain players or is being told to keep his nose out of it and leave it to those upstairs. Now, I know there are people on here who don't like PB, DB and TB being called "The Suits" but I'm afraid their current ability to seem far removed from the players, coaching staff and fans and to stay hidden in their ivory towers at the Amex does start to breed an 'us and them' feeling, and leave them open to slightly derogatory terms like this. Please Mr Barber, Mr Bloom and Mr Burke - do something to give me more confidence. And I still say, Up The Albion! Max Ripple
  • Score: 7

9:48am Thu 24 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

Havok82 wrote:
Why do so many fans "know" we won't be spending the Ulloa money? How do so many fans "know" TB wants to sell the club? How do so many fans know that the back room staff are the problem why we can't get players in? I must be missing something because all I know is I love my club no matter who's in charge or who's playing for us or what league we're in. We have had great seasons and shocking ones but does that matter? Every team does look at United last season. I've heard people knocking the word relegation about....... Why? Because we have a weak team at the moment? The Ulloa deal has only just happened which means the money has only just come. Let's wait until the transfer window is closed and the season is well under way before judgements are made. UTA
youd be amazed at how much some fans on here claim to know.they all have men on the inside feeding them snippets.all of them knew we were signing hughes and ogrady but decided not to share to avoid embarrassing their sources.cockwombles
[quote][p][bold]Havok82[/bold] wrote: Why do so many fans "know" we won't be spending the Ulloa money? How do so many fans "know" TB wants to sell the club? How do so many fans know that the back room staff are the problem why we can't get players in? I must be missing something because all I know is I love my club no matter who's in charge or who's playing for us or what league we're in. We have had great seasons and shocking ones but does that matter? Every team does look at United last season. I've heard people knocking the word relegation about....... Why? Because we have a weak team at the moment? The Ulloa deal has only just happened which means the money has only just come. Let's wait until the transfer window is closed and the season is well under way before judgements are made. UTA[/p][/quote]youd be amazed at how much some fans on here claim to know.they all have men on the inside feeding them snippets.all of them knew we were signing hughes and ogrady but decided not to share to avoid embarrassing their sources.cockwombles Cockwomble
  • Score: 6

9:50am Thu 24 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

daveyboy35 wrote:
It makes me laugh how a lot of people put constructive quotes on here and voice their concerns and all the nimbys can do is put a thumbs down!!! Every Brighton supporter including rose tinted spectacle ones should be rightly concerned after last nites performance!! Unless we get 5 or 6 QUALITY PLAYERS IN, then this season is gonna be mid table at BEST!!!!
we may be rose tinted spec wearers but at least we know what nimby actually means.cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]daveyboy35[/bold] wrote: It makes me laugh how a lot of people put constructive quotes on here and voice their concerns and all the nimbys can do is put a thumbs down!!! Every Brighton supporter including rose tinted spectacle ones should be rightly concerned after last nites performance!! Unless we get 5 or 6 QUALITY PLAYERS IN, then this season is gonna be mid table at BEST!!!![/p][/quote]we may be rose tinted spec wearers but at least we know what nimby actually means.cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 3

9:51am Thu 24 Jul 14

Eddy B says...

It's all doom and gloom at the moment and even Sami sounds a bit "resigned" already! However it's not too late and a couple of top signings in August will change everything and the fans will flock to the Amex with a renewed sense of anticipation.
It's all doom and gloom at the moment and even Sami sounds a bit "resigned" already! However it's not too late and a couple of top signings in August will change everything and the fans will flock to the Amex with a renewed sense of anticipation. Eddy B
  • Score: 2

9:52am Thu 24 Jul 14

Eddy B says...

I wish we could turn off that stupid out of date European News section on this website (especially as it comes on at work when I'm having a look at this page!).
I wish we could turn off that stupid out of date European News section on this website (especially as it comes on at work when I'm having a look at this page!). Eddy B
  • Score: 4

9:57am Thu 24 Jul 14

Andrea Orlandigasm says...

No Kuszczak, Upson, Bridcutt, Orlandi, Barnes or Ulloa. There's still time but it's not looking promising. Unless the squad is significantly strengthened I don't think Sami should be expected to get us in the top half. Whether or not our 20,000+ season ticket holders see it that way is doubtful as a lot of them have never seen us struggle in this division, let alone finish 91st in the League 2 years running.
No Kuszczak, Upson, Bridcutt, Orlandi, Barnes or Ulloa. There's still time but it's not looking promising. Unless the squad is significantly strengthened I don't think Sami should be expected to get us in the top half. Whether or not our 20,000+ season ticket holders see it that way is doubtful as a lot of them have never seen us struggle in this division, let alone finish 91st in the League 2 years running. Andrea Orlandigasm
  • Score: 9

9:58am Thu 24 Jul 14

AlanDuffy says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Peteinblack wrote:
We are going backwards - this year, we have sold Bridcutt, Barnes and Ulloa, and not replaced any of them.
Several players seem to have turned us down in favour of signing for our rivals - yes, I know that other clubs are prepared to pay higher salaries than us, but it also suggests that 'the Amex factor' is no longer an attraction.
The reviews of last night's friendly against Crawley suggest the same old same old - sideway passing, disinterested players with no passion or energy, one lone striker up-front, and a complete lack of quality I the final third of the pitch. Have we learned nothing from last season?
I reckon mid-table mediocrity beckons this season - rarely in 30 years supporting the Albion have I felt as underwhelmed or unexcited about the new season.
I don't share your pessimism to any great degree. We've replaced Barnes with COG and Bridcutt with Nzuzi, while Ulloa has only just been (reluctantly) sold so those criticisms are wide of the mark.

Where we have failed to replace players is GK and LB plus another CB / M.
This part is far from ideal and I don't know why specifically it's taken so long but if we recruit the necessary numbers (GK, LB and creative midfield especially) this week, there'll be no major concern at this stage of Hyypia's reign.
Much is made of the fact that we will only bring in players who will improve the squad.....so, is COG better than Barnes? Is Stephens/Nzuzi better than Bridcutt? Is Hughes better than Upson? Who will replace Ulloa? Why are we in a "race" for signings? We've known for months that we need to strengthen. I'm getting tired of the excuses - World Cup, new manager etc - plenty of other clubs have been rebuilding over the Summer - having watched last nights game, we need some quality in every department , which means spending at least £5m - we have the money, no more excuses, let's see the influx the chairman promised weeks ago.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peteinblack[/bold] wrote: We are going backwards - this year, we have sold Bridcutt, Barnes and Ulloa, and not replaced any of them. Several players seem to have turned us down in favour of signing for our rivals - yes, I know that other clubs are prepared to pay higher salaries than us, but it also suggests that 'the Amex factor' is no longer an attraction. The reviews of last night's friendly against Crawley suggest the same old same old - sideway passing, disinterested players with no passion or energy, one lone striker up-front, and a complete lack of quality I the final third of the pitch. Have we learned nothing from last season? I reckon mid-table mediocrity beckons this season - rarely in 30 years supporting the Albion have I felt as underwhelmed or unexcited about the new season.[/p][/quote]I don't share your pessimism to any great degree. We've replaced Barnes with COG and Bridcutt with Nzuzi, while Ulloa has only just been (reluctantly) sold so those criticisms are wide of the mark. Where we have failed to replace players is GK and LB plus another CB / M. This part is far from ideal and I don't know why specifically it's taken so long but if we recruit the necessary numbers (GK, LB and creative midfield especially) this week, there'll be no major concern at this stage of Hyypia's reign.[/p][/quote]Much is made of the fact that we will only bring in players who will improve the squad.....so, is COG better than Barnes? Is Stephens/Nzuzi better than Bridcutt? Is Hughes better than Upson? Who will replace Ulloa? Why are we in a "race" for signings? We've known for months that we need to strengthen. I'm getting tired of the excuses - World Cup, new manager etc - plenty of other clubs have been rebuilding over the Summer - having watched last nights game, we need some quality in every department , which means spending at least £5m - we have the money, no more excuses, let's see the influx the chairman promised weeks ago. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 10

10:08am Thu 24 Jul 14

Neville says...

Cockwomble
I posted on here that Brighton were about to name 2new players a few days before they became known,I had no idea who the players would be just that there would be two and I was informed by part of the hierarchy,so all is not fiction.
A lot of rumours and guessing does go on,of course,but there are people in the know on this site.
Cockwomble I posted on here that Brighton were about to name 2new players a few days before they became known,I had no idea who the players would be just that there would be two and I was informed by part of the hierarchy,so all is not fiction. A lot of rumours and guessing does go on,of course,but there are people in the know on this site. Neville
  • Score: -2

10:17am Thu 24 Jul 14

OldGull says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Weploughandmow wrote:
The game last night had all the hallmarks of a early rehearsal of a play - people just wandering around the stage, getting to know their positions, still needing to check the script occasionally. That's the point of a pre-season friendly of course, so I'm pretty relaxed about things. In fact, I shan't even start worrying about anything until day one of the season, by which time all the players will be in situ. Odd that Sami seems to be saying that the suits are doing the recruitment again - I hope he means that they're working on bringing in the people HE'S chosen, not that they're going to foist their choices on him and say "there you go, make something of that little lot".
Let's have no doubt that any players that are due to come in should be in place NOW so that they know their team-mates and how they gel together - we don't want 9 August to be like the 'early rehearsal of a play' but unless something happens rapidly that's exactly what is going to happen and that's only if we actually get anyone in! Hyppia obviously wasn't expecting Ulloa to go when he signed the management forms and as for the suits selecting new signings our new manager wouldn't have heard of COG - let's hope Sami is identifying his own targets and achieves a couple of those signings soon otherwise we will end up with another disillusioned manager!!
So you know Sammi wouldn't have heard of COG?
Ulloa's departure was on the cards before Sammi signed.
He didn't say the "suits" have chosen the players.
He has indentified players and naturally the money men attempt to do the deals.
Yes time is getting short, that is due in part to the world cup. Activity in the prem was delayed. The chance of picking up cast offs & loan players from the prem will only just be filtering down
If we haven't signed anyone else going into the last week then I will start to be slightly concerned.
In the meantime all the old claims of Burke choosing new signings will be bandied about.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Weploughandmow[/bold] wrote: The game last night had all the hallmarks of a early rehearsal of a play - people just wandering around the stage, getting to know their positions, still needing to check the script occasionally. That's the point of a pre-season friendly of course, so I'm pretty relaxed about things. In fact, I shan't even start worrying about anything until day one of the season, by which time all the players will be in situ. Odd that Sami seems to be saying that the suits are doing the recruitment again - I hope he means that they're working on bringing in the people HE'S chosen, not that they're going to foist their choices on him and say "there you go, make something of that little lot".[/p][/quote]Let's have no doubt that any players that are due to come in should be in place NOW so that they know their team-mates and how they gel together - we don't want 9 August to be like the 'early rehearsal of a play' but unless something happens rapidly that's exactly what is going to happen and that's only if we actually get anyone in! Hyppia obviously wasn't expecting Ulloa to go when he signed the management forms and as for the suits selecting new signings our new manager wouldn't have heard of COG - let's hope Sami is identifying his own targets and achieves a couple of those signings soon otherwise we will end up with another disillusioned manager!![/p][/quote]So you know Sammi wouldn't have heard of COG? Ulloa's departure was on the cards before Sammi signed. He didn't say the "suits" have chosen the players. He has indentified players and naturally the money men attempt to do the deals. Yes time is getting short, that is due in part to the world cup. Activity in the prem was delayed. The chance of picking up cast offs & loan players from the prem will only just be filtering down If we haven't signed anyone else going into the last week then I will start to be slightly concerned. In the meantime all the old claims of Burke choosing new signings will be bandied about. UTA OldGull
  • Score: 6

10:17am Thu 24 Jul 14

Towner83 says...

Mart wrote:
I'm in a race to buy a new car.

I have been out and looked at BMWs, Mercedes, and top of the line Porsches, but my wife keeps telling me that we just can't afford it because of the bloody big new house plus the annexe down the road in Lancing that we have just bought.

If she didn't take so much money personally out of the household budget every year, we probably could afford it.

I'm thinking of letting her go, the stupid old bag.
As much as I like your tongue in cheek comparison, it's not overly accurate. TB is owed approximately £100million by the club which was interest free loans for the Amex and new training ground. He hasn't put a timescale on when he wants the money back but of course he will want it back. Let's just be grateful that we have a chairman with best interests at heart. No one can say that the club has gone backwards whilst he's been in charge, just that everyone expects the momentum to carry on at a 100mph and then are downbeat when we have a minor setback
[quote][p][bold]Mart[/bold] wrote: I'm in a race to buy a new car. I have been out and looked at BMWs, Mercedes, and top of the line Porsches, but my wife keeps telling me that we just can't afford it because of the bloody big new house plus the annexe down the road in Lancing that we have just bought. If she didn't take so much money personally out of the household budget every year, we probably could afford it. I'm thinking of letting her go, the stupid old bag.[/p][/quote]As much as I like your tongue in cheek comparison, it's not overly accurate. TB is owed approximately £100million by the club which was interest free loans for the Amex and new training ground. He hasn't put a timescale on when he wants the money back but of course he will want it back. Let's just be grateful that we have a chairman with best interests at heart. No one can say that the club has gone backwards whilst he's been in charge, just that everyone expects the momentum to carry on at a 100mph and then are downbeat when we have a minor setback Towner83
  • Score: 8

10:19am Thu 24 Jul 14

albionfan33 says...

Baldseagull wrote:
Peteinblack wrote:
We are going backwards - this year, we have sold Bridcutt, Barnes and Ulloa, and not replaced any of them.
Several players seem to have turned us down in favour of signing for our rivals - yes, I know that other clubs are prepared to pay higher salaries than us, but it also suggests that 'the Amex factor' is no longer an attraction.
The reviews of last night's friendly against Crawley suggest the same old same old - sideway passing, disinterested players with no passion or energy, one lone striker up-front, and a complete lack of quality I the final third of the pitch. Have we learned nothing from last season?
I reckon mid-table mediocrity beckons this season - rarely in 30 years supporting the Albion have I felt as underwhelmed or unexcited about the new season.
Ince replaces Bridcutt, COG replaces Barnes, ? replaces Ulloa.

If there was a ready made replacement for Ulloa costing less than we recieved, Leicester would have bought him instead.

Do not read too much into last nights game at Crawley, the only truly poor performance came from Kemy, and that was due to dithering on the ball, not lack of ability.
its funny how people see the game hehe. i thought kemy played well he showed enthusiasm and always wanted the ball. and looked forwards mostly seeing as hes not really kicked a ball in a yr i thought it showed real promise for the season ahead
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peteinblack[/bold] wrote: We are going backwards - this year, we have sold Bridcutt, Barnes and Ulloa, and not replaced any of them. Several players seem to have turned us down in favour of signing for our rivals - yes, I know that other clubs are prepared to pay higher salaries than us, but it also suggests that 'the Amex factor' is no longer an attraction. The reviews of last night's friendly against Crawley suggest the same old same old - sideway passing, disinterested players with no passion or energy, one lone striker up-front, and a complete lack of quality I the final third of the pitch. Have we learned nothing from last season? I reckon mid-table mediocrity beckons this season - rarely in 30 years supporting the Albion have I felt as underwhelmed or unexcited about the new season.[/p][/quote]Ince replaces Bridcutt, COG replaces Barnes, ? replaces Ulloa. If there was a ready made replacement for Ulloa costing less than we recieved, Leicester would have bought him instead. Do not read too much into last nights game at Crawley, the only truly poor performance came from Kemy, and that was due to dithering on the ball, not lack of ability.[/p][/quote]its funny how people see the game hehe. i thought kemy played well he showed enthusiasm and always wanted the ball. and looked forwards mostly seeing as hes not really kicked a ball in a yr i thought it showed real promise for the season ahead albionfan33
  • Score: 4

10:22am Thu 24 Jul 14

sjonesbb says...

Manager becoming frustrated at player recruitment and players being sold. We have been down this road before. The board want a manager who is willing to stay for more than one year. For this to work he needs the players he wants, not the players that the board want. Hyppia will be judged on the results of the boards transfer policy ... How is this fair. Let him choose the players if the money becomes too much then tell him that but don't get players in who the board believe will work, they're not picking the team. The clock is ticking down on the new season, we have the facilities great!! But at this moment we do not have the team, the team gets you promoted not your facilities! Something needs to be done and quickly.
Manager becoming frustrated at player recruitment and players being sold. We have been down this road before. The board want a manager who is willing to stay for more than one year. For this to work he needs the players he wants, not the players that the board want. Hyppia will be judged on the results of the boards transfer policy ... How is this fair. Let him choose the players if the money becomes too much then tell him that but don't get players in who the board believe will work, they're not picking the team. The clock is ticking down on the new season, we have the facilities great!! But at this moment we do not have the team, the team gets you promoted not your facilities! Something needs to be done and quickly. sjonesbb
  • Score: 3

10:35am Thu 24 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

Why are people coming on here and are panicking I just don't get it yes we need a keeper he will arrive before the season starts, we only got Leo's deal completed on Monday a new striker will come in as well,

I could understand if we where like Blackpool 8 players on there books that's doom and gloom to me, not our situation, people need to calm down a bit!!
Up the Albion!!
Why are people coming on here and are panicking I just don't get it yes we need a keeper he will arrive before the season starts, we only got Leo's deal completed on Monday a new striker will come in as well, I could understand if we where like Blackpool 8 players on there books that's doom and gloom to me, not our situation, people need to calm down a bit!! Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 6

10:48am Thu 24 Jul 14

Peteinblack says...

Eddy B wrote:
I wish we could turn off that stupid out of date European News section on this website (especially as it comes on at work when I'm having a look at this page!).
I totally agree.

What's particularly annoying is that I have the volume switched on, so that I can hear when an email arrives (I get a 'ping' notification of a message). So whenever I take a look a this page - which I do quite often at this time of year (in the naïve hope that we might have made a decent signing!) - the stupid commentary of the European News section suddenly blasts out, much to the amusement or annoyance of my colleagues!
[quote][p][bold]Eddy B[/bold] wrote: I wish we could turn off that stupid out of date European News section on this website (especially as it comes on at work when I'm having a look at this page!).[/p][/quote]I totally agree. What's particularly annoying is that I have the volume switched on, so that I can hear when an email arrives (I get a 'ping' notification of a message). So whenever I take a look a this page - which I do quite often at this time of year (in the naïve hope that we might have made a decent signing!) - the stupid commentary of the European News section suddenly blasts out, much to the amusement or annoyance of my colleagues! Peteinblack
  • Score: 1

10:49am Thu 24 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Neville wrote:
The hieracrchy really have to take most of the blame for the fiascos of the past two and half seasons. The recruitment of players has always been retrospective. Started with GP and the influx at the last moment (Dobbie,Hammond etc).player talks breaking down Van Djick.
Same with Oscar,players left and not replaced (Barnes,Bridcutt,ElA

bd etc) ,failed bids and talks breaking down (Conway,Grabban) and inadequate last minute loans, Lita,Obika.
I fully understand the financial situation needs sorting but not to the total detriment of the team, also two managers have gone and how long is Hyypia going to put up with this mismanagement.
You only have to read the fans websites and the Argus, to see that many are getting frustrated with any lack of communication from the club or any new quality signings.
The club never used the budget from last year or the monies from Bridcutt and Barnes to strengthen the squad (Stephens being the only purchase) and now have 8 m from Ulloa sale.
Some money has to be spent but it will be very prudent and whereas we have been a mid table team punching above our weight for the past two seasons this season could well be struggling to achieve mid table.
TB has been fantastic but I fear and its great having the Stadium and Academy but ,as I have said before unless there is a balance and some investment on the playing side then crowds will slowly decrease. Season ticket holders come renewal time will make a choice dependent on how we are doing and a good few will just pick their matches dependent on the opposition.
I have supported the club a good number of years but like many others feel underwhelmed by the recruitment policy and also remember a lot of the backroom staff have also left and not as yet been replaced.
This situation is also putting the manager under unfair pressure and its the hierarchy thats needs sorting TB.
I don't understand why this post hasn`t got 20+ thumbs up ,everything you have written is factual and accurate ,it amazes me how blinkered some people choose to be ,when the club is being criticized ,like you Neville I love the Albion ,but we need to open our eyes ,something is not working . UTA
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: The hieracrchy really have to take most of the blame for the fiascos of the past two and half seasons. The recruitment of players has always been retrospective. Started with GP and the influx at the last moment (Dobbie,Hammond etc).player talks breaking down Van Djick. Same with Oscar,players left and not replaced (Barnes,Bridcutt,ElA bd etc) ,failed bids and talks breaking down (Conway,Grabban) and inadequate last minute loans, Lita,Obika. I fully understand the financial situation needs sorting but not to the total detriment of the team, also two managers have gone and how long is Hyypia going to put up with this mismanagement. You only have to read the fans websites and the Argus, to see that many are getting frustrated with any lack of communication from the club or any new quality signings. The club never used the budget from last year or the monies from Bridcutt and Barnes to strengthen the squad (Stephens being the only purchase) and now have 8 m from Ulloa sale. Some money has to be spent but it will be very prudent and whereas we have been a mid table team punching above our weight for the past two seasons this season could well be struggling to achieve mid table. TB has been fantastic but I fear and its great having the Stadium and Academy but ,as I have said before unless there is a balance and some investment on the playing side then crowds will slowly decrease. Season ticket holders come renewal time will make a choice dependent on how we are doing and a good few will just pick their matches dependent on the opposition. I have supported the club a good number of years but like many others feel underwhelmed by the recruitment policy and also remember a lot of the backroom staff have also left and not as yet been replaced. This situation is also putting the manager under unfair pressure and its the hierarchy thats needs sorting TB.[/p][/quote]I don't understand why this post hasn`t got 20+ thumbs up ,everything you have written is factual and accurate ,it amazes me how blinkered some people choose to be ,when the club is being criticized ,like you Neville I love the Albion ,but we need to open our eyes ,something is not working . UTA tug509
  • Score: 1

10:50am Thu 24 Jul 14

Plutomania says...

daveyboy35 wrote:
It makes me laugh how a lot of people put constructive quotes on here and voice their concerns and all the nimbys can do is put a thumbs down!!! Every Brighton supporter including rose tinted spectacle ones should be rightly concerned after last nites performance!! Unless we get 5 or 6 QUALITY PLAYERS IN, then this season is gonna be mid table at BEST!!!!
Without writing a monologue on other peoples comments,Your 7 lines are so,so, true. Last night was like watching repeat video`s of so many of last years performances . I really hope both of our appraisal`s of last night are wrong.
[quote][p][bold]daveyboy35[/bold] wrote: It makes me laugh how a lot of people put constructive quotes on here and voice their concerns and all the nimbys can do is put a thumbs down!!! Every Brighton supporter including rose tinted spectacle ones should be rightly concerned after last nites performance!! Unless we get 5 or 6 QUALITY PLAYERS IN, then this season is gonna be mid table at BEST!!!![/p][/quote]Without writing a monologue on other peoples comments,Your 7 lines are so,so, true. Last night was like watching repeat video`s of so many of last years performances . I really hope both of our appraisal`s of last night are wrong. Plutomania
  • Score: 6

10:52am Thu 24 Jul 14

SMF20 says...

I'm looking forward to a couple of marquee signings should they happen.

Imho I think that it isn't just the fans that need to see some incoming intent.
I genuinely believe that a few of the players will be a bit down in the dumps about recent events and so a much needed signing of good quality will give them something to perk them up too.

Its amazing how the atmosphere can change with just a couple of decent signings. Have Will and Kaz playing with confidence and enjoying the game and we sill see us on the front foot most matches.

5/6 new guys needed but just a couple of them of a very good standard to show ambition.

Uta
I'm looking forward to a couple of marquee signings should they happen. Imho I think that it isn't just the fans that need to see some incoming intent. I genuinely believe that a few of the players will be a bit down in the dumps about recent events and so a much needed signing of good quality will give them something to perk them up too. Its amazing how the atmosphere can change with just a couple of decent signings. Have Will and Kaz playing with confidence and enjoying the game and we sill see us on the front foot most matches. 5/6 new guys needed but just a couple of them of a very good standard to show ambition. Uta SMF20
  • Score: 12

11:06am Thu 24 Jul 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Posted this on the previous thread. More relevant here:

What we're seeing is a completely new dynasty being shaped and at present, no-one, probably not even TB or SH, really knows how it will fully develop.
When Oscar took over last summer he was effectively asked to babysit an established squad. There was a definite feeling of continuity. But during his year, the break up started with Bridcutt's sale and that was followed by a glut of other departures with the end of season cull.
So Hyppia is effectively being asked to start from scratch and at the moment, it's looking like a long, slow haul.
Will we be competitive? Only time will tell, but those who are bizarrely beginning to judge Hyppia already, should (in my view) relax a little.
There are so many unknowns at the moment and one of them is how good he will prove to be as our manager. But at the moment, he may be coming to terms with the reality of how tough a job this is. (How many of us are reading between the lines in this story?)
After the last two seasons, expectation of our club is high but as far as the team is concerned, all we have at present is hope.
It's time for patience, not knee-jerk assessment because we drew a summer run-out.
Watching his interview on Seagull's Player gives, to me, some very subtle and clear messages. Sami's clearly a very 'nice' guy. I sincerely trust that he also has a bit which he sun afraid to exercise on those in charge of the club higher up.

Personally, I love the Louis Van Gaal approach. He says it exactly as it is and it's the truth! He will not tolerate the commercial side of the club negatively impacting the football side. He understands that there IS NO COMMERCIAL SIDE WITHOUT A SUCCESSFUL FOOTBALL SIDE. And he's not afraid of any consequences which his honest comments might bring.

David Gill was and is a football person, as well as an excellent Financial Director which proves that such people do exist. He and Fergie worked so well together and that's why they had so many years of unparalleled success. I get the feeling that this Ed Woodward is not quite the same and already he talks to the press and makes statements clearly opposite to those of the main man, Louis Van Gaal.

What has this to do with our beloved Seagulls? Simply that I hope they see the analogy and that these principles are not only for the so called 'big clubs' - they are a lesson to ALL clubs.

Let's hear your roar Sami and don't be afraid to go public with any concerns. We supporters read between lines and watch between sound bites.

I get it that Sami was genuinely disjointed to see Leo leave and I'm still not convinced that with a truly vibrant and unified approach, especially considering the happiness of his family, with some creative accounting that Leo could not have been persuaded to stay. I'm confused as to how so many decent players have moved to Championdhip clubs and even though it was clear we were going to sell Leo after a while, we had not got all the players we wanted all lined up, salaries negotiated just ready to sign as soon as the money arrived from Leo's sale.

As TB has frequently confirmed we didn't have to sell him then I'm sure all that money is available. Time will tell.

Keep positive.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Posted this on the previous thread. More relevant here: What we're seeing is a completely new dynasty being shaped and at present, no-one, probably not even TB or SH, really knows how it will fully develop. When Oscar took over last summer he was effectively asked to babysit an established squad. There was a definite feeling of continuity. But during his year, the break up started with Bridcutt's sale and that was followed by a glut of other departures with the end of season cull. So Hyppia is effectively being asked to start from scratch and at the moment, it's looking like a long, slow haul. Will we be competitive? Only time will tell, but those who are bizarrely beginning to judge Hyppia already, should (in my view) relax a little. There are so many unknowns at the moment and one of them is how good he will prove to be as our manager. But at the moment, he may be coming to terms with the reality of how tough a job this is. (How many of us are reading between the lines in this story?) After the last two seasons, expectation of our club is high but as far as the team is concerned, all we have at present is hope. It's time for patience, not knee-jerk assessment because we drew a summer run-out.[/p][/quote]Watching his interview on Seagull's Player gives, to me, some very subtle and clear messages. Sami's clearly a very 'nice' guy. I sincerely trust that he also has a bit which he sun afraid to exercise on those in charge of the club higher up. Personally, I love the Louis Van Gaal approach. He says it exactly as it is and it's the truth! He will not tolerate the commercial side of the club negatively impacting the football side. He understands that there IS NO COMMERCIAL SIDE WITHOUT A SUCCESSFUL FOOTBALL SIDE. And he's not afraid of any consequences which his honest comments might bring. David Gill was and is a football person, as well as an excellent Financial Director which proves that such people do exist. He and Fergie worked so well together and that's why they had so many years of unparalleled success. I get the feeling that this Ed Woodward is not quite the same and already he talks to the press and makes statements clearly opposite to those of the main man, Louis Van Gaal. What has this to do with our beloved Seagulls? Simply that I hope they see the analogy and that these principles are not only for the so called 'big clubs' - they are a lesson to ALL clubs. Let's hear your roar Sami and don't be afraid to go public with any concerns. We supporters read between lines and watch between sound bites. I get it that Sami was genuinely disjointed to see Leo leave and I'm still not convinced that with a truly vibrant and unified approach, especially considering the happiness of his family, with some creative accounting that Leo could not have been persuaded to stay. I'm confused as to how so many decent players have moved to Championdhip clubs and even though it was clear we were going to sell Leo after a while, we had not got all the players we wanted all lined up, salaries negotiated just ready to sign as soon as the money arrived from Leo's sale. As TB has frequently confirmed we didn't have to sell him then I'm sure all that money is available. Time will tell. Keep positive. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 6

11:10am Thu 24 Jul 14

Peteinblack says...

Neville wrote:
The hieracrchy really have to take most of the blame for the fiascos of the past two and half seasons. The recruitment of players has always been retrospective. Started with GP and the influx at the last moment (Dobbie,Hammond etc).player talks breaking down Van Djick.
Same with Oscar,players left and not replaced (Barnes,Bridcutt,ElA

bd etc) ,failed bids and talks breaking down (Conway,Grabban) and inadequate last minute loans, Lita,Obika.
I fully understand the financial situation needs sorting but not to the total detriment of the team, also two managers have gone and how long is Hyypia going to put up with this mismanagement.
You only have to read the fans websites and the Argus, to see that many are getting frustrated with any lack of communication from the club or any new quality signings.
The club never used the budget from last year or the monies from Bridcutt and Barnes to strengthen the squad (Stephens being the only purchase) and now have 8 m from Ulloa sale.
Some money has to be spent but it will be very prudent and whereas we have been a mid table team punching above our weight for the past two seasons this season could well be struggling to achieve mid table.
TB has been fantastic but I fear and its great having the Stadium and Academy but ,as I have said before unless there is a balance and some investment on the playing side then crowds will slowly decrease. Season ticket holders come renewal time will make a choice dependent on how we are doing and a good few will just pick their matches dependent on the opposition.
I have supported the club a good number of years but like many others feel underwhelmed by the recruitment policy and also remember a lot of the backroom staff have also left and not as yet been replaced.
This situation is also putting the manager under unfair pressure and its the hierarchy thats needs sorting TB.
Spot-on! Superb post and incisive analysis.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: The hieracrchy really have to take most of the blame for the fiascos of the past two and half seasons. The recruitment of players has always been retrospective. Started with GP and the influx at the last moment (Dobbie,Hammond etc).player talks breaking down Van Djick. Same with Oscar,players left and not replaced (Barnes,Bridcutt,ElA bd etc) ,failed bids and talks breaking down (Conway,Grabban) and inadequate last minute loans, Lita,Obika. I fully understand the financial situation needs sorting but not to the total detriment of the team, also two managers have gone and how long is Hyypia going to put up with this mismanagement. You only have to read the fans websites and the Argus, to see that many are getting frustrated with any lack of communication from the club or any new quality signings. The club never used the budget from last year or the monies from Bridcutt and Barnes to strengthen the squad (Stephens being the only purchase) and now have 8 m from Ulloa sale. Some money has to be spent but it will be very prudent and whereas we have been a mid table team punching above our weight for the past two seasons this season could well be struggling to achieve mid table. TB has been fantastic but I fear and its great having the Stadium and Academy but ,as I have said before unless there is a balance and some investment on the playing side then crowds will slowly decrease. Season ticket holders come renewal time will make a choice dependent on how we are doing and a good few will just pick their matches dependent on the opposition. I have supported the club a good number of years but like many others feel underwhelmed by the recruitment policy and also remember a lot of the backroom staff have also left and not as yet been replaced. This situation is also putting the manager under unfair pressure and its the hierarchy thats needs sorting TB.[/p][/quote]Spot-on! Superb post and incisive analysis. Peteinblack
  • Score: -4

11:15am Thu 24 Jul 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

I also am concerned that the budget for an assistant for SH maybe lumped in with the playing budget. Clearly he wanted someone with greater age and experience than he has to guide him in certain situations. He even said that when he was appointed. Now it seems he's gone cool on the idea and as wonderful a guy as Nathan Jones is, he has no way got any experience to offer SH!

I think he's already being isolated by that.
I also am concerned that the budget for an assistant for SH maybe lumped in with the playing budget. Clearly he wanted someone with greater age and experience than he has to guide him in certain situations. He even said that when he was appointed. Now it seems he's gone cool on the idea and as wonderful a guy as Nathan Jones is, he has no way got any experience to offer SH! I think he's already being isolated by that. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 7

11:29am Thu 24 Jul 14

pjwilk says...

Eddy B wrote:
I wish we could turn off that stupid out of date European News section on this website (especially as it comes on at work when I'm having a look at this page!).
Yes i agree i just shut the sound off or mute it while i am reading the Argus site.
[quote][p][bold]Eddy B[/bold] wrote: I wish we could turn off that stupid out of date European News section on this website (especially as it comes on at work when I'm having a look at this page!).[/p][/quote]Yes i agree i just shut the sound off or mute it while i am reading the Argus site. pjwilk
  • Score: 6

11:32am Thu 24 Jul 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

Since withdean,me thinks we have become spoilt little brats.
Now we start moaning before the season has even started and have player agent posters.
Last night i saw a Crawley team going for it(wanted scalp),Albion looked like a side in a testimonial game.
The result does not matter but no effort sorry no go,the clock is ticking.

I have always said Albion are a good great championship team,through no fault of their own(falmer protests-ffp-Pl),we have missed the boat.

But we may dream.
Since withdean,me thinks we have become spoilt little brats. Now we start moaning before the season has even started and have player agent posters. Last night i saw a Crawley team going for it(wanted scalp),Albion looked like a side in a testimonial game. The result does not matter but no effort sorry no go,the clock is ticking. I have always said Albion are a good great championship team,through no fault of their own(falmer protests-ffp-Pl),we have missed the boat. But we may dream. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 5

11:38am Thu 24 Jul 14

Kit Napier's Beard says...

daveyboy35 wrote:
It makes me laugh how a lot of people put constructive quotes on here and voice their concerns and all the nimbys can do is put a thumbs down!!! Every Brighton supporter including rose tinted spectacle ones should be rightly concerned after last nites performance!! Unless we get 5 or 6 QUALITY PLAYERS IN, then this season is gonna be mid table at BEST!!!!
Bravo well said
[quote][p][bold]daveyboy35[/bold] wrote: It makes me laugh how a lot of people put constructive quotes on here and voice their concerns and all the nimbys can do is put a thumbs down!!! Every Brighton supporter including rose tinted spectacle ones should be rightly concerned after last nites performance!! Unless we get 5 or 6 QUALITY PLAYERS IN, then this season is gonna be mid table at BEST!!!![/p][/quote]Bravo well said Kit Napier's Beard
  • Score: 8

11:39am Thu 24 Jul 14

brighton bluenose says...

OldGull wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
Weploughandmow wrote:
The game last night had all the hallmarks of a early rehearsal of a play - people just wandering around the stage, getting to know their positions, still needing to check the script occasionally. That's the point of a pre-season friendly of course, so I'm pretty relaxed about things. In fact, I shan't even start worrying about anything until day one of the season, by which time all the players will be in situ. Odd that Sami seems to be saying that the suits are doing the recruitment again - I hope he means that they're working on bringing in the people HE'S chosen, not that they're going to foist their choices on him and say "there you go, make something of that little lot".
Let's have no doubt that any players that are due to come in should be in place NOW so that they know their team-mates and how they gel together - we don't want 9 August to be like the 'early rehearsal of a play' but unless something happens rapidly that's exactly what is going to happen and that's only if we actually get anyone in! Hyppia obviously wasn't expecting Ulloa to go when he signed the management forms and as for the suits selecting new signings our new manager wouldn't have heard of COG - let's hope Sami is identifying his own targets and achieves a couple of those signings soon otherwise we will end up with another disillusioned manager!!
So you know Sammi wouldn't have heard of COG?
Ulloa's departure was on the cards before Sammi signed.
He didn't say the "suits" have chosen the players.
He has indentified players and naturally the money men attempt to do the deals.
Yes time is getting short, that is due in part to the world cup. Activity in the prem was delayed. The chance of picking up cast offs & loan players from the prem will only just be filtering down
If we haven't signed anyone else going into the last week then I will start to be slightly concerned.
In the meantime all the old claims of Burke choosing new signings will be bandied about.
UTA
Errrrr..............
..it was opreviusly reporte that we'd had a look athim before so I have no doubt that he ws 'offered' to Hyypia by DB's team!
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Weploughandmow[/bold] wrote: The game last night had all the hallmarks of a early rehearsal of a play - people just wandering around the stage, getting to know their positions, still needing to check the script occasionally. That's the point of a pre-season friendly of course, so I'm pretty relaxed about things. In fact, I shan't even start worrying about anything until day one of the season, by which time all the players will be in situ. Odd that Sami seems to be saying that the suits are doing the recruitment again - I hope he means that they're working on bringing in the people HE'S chosen, not that they're going to foist their choices on him and say "there you go, make something of that little lot".[/p][/quote]Let's have no doubt that any players that are due to come in should be in place NOW so that they know their team-mates and how they gel together - we don't want 9 August to be like the 'early rehearsal of a play' but unless something happens rapidly that's exactly what is going to happen and that's only if we actually get anyone in! Hyppia obviously wasn't expecting Ulloa to go when he signed the management forms and as for the suits selecting new signings our new manager wouldn't have heard of COG - let's hope Sami is identifying his own targets and achieves a couple of those signings soon otherwise we will end up with another disillusioned manager!![/p][/quote]So you know Sammi wouldn't have heard of COG? Ulloa's departure was on the cards before Sammi signed. He didn't say the "suits" have chosen the players. He has indentified players and naturally the money men attempt to do the deals. Yes time is getting short, that is due in part to the world cup. Activity in the prem was delayed. The chance of picking up cast offs & loan players from the prem will only just be filtering down If we haven't signed anyone else going into the last week then I will start to be slightly concerned. In the meantime all the old claims of Burke choosing new signings will be bandied about. UTA[/p][/quote]Errrrr.............. ..it was opreviusly reporte that we'd had a look athim before so I have no doubt that he ws 'offered' to Hyypia by DB's team! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 1

11:41am Thu 24 Jul 14

pjwilk says...

We have left it far too late to put a strong team in place,we really needed to make a fast start to the season,but thanks to the Blues Bros who are so incompetent we will start with a rag tag team.And when or if we get new players and results are not going our way,loosing most games,the suits will say it takes a month or two to gell.(this gelling should have been done in the close season not when the season has started.How long is TB going to put up with these misfits we call the suits.Lets go back to the days the Manager controls things and picks his own staff and players.I see another Management crisis coming and Sami walking.
We have left it far too late to put a strong team in place,we really needed to make a fast start to the season,but thanks to the Blues Bros who are so incompetent we will start with a rag tag team.And when or if we get new players and results are not going our way,loosing most games,the suits will say it takes a month or two to gell.(this gelling should have been done in the close season not when the season has started.How long is TB going to put up with these misfits we call the suits.Lets go back to the days the Manager controls things and picks his own staff and players.I see another Management crisis coming and Sami walking. pjwilk
  • Score: 5

11:47am Thu 24 Jul 14

MLEE says...

We have already signed 3 players . IMO we should make our judgements after the window shuts and not before,as we cannot know the true situation.
We have already signed 3 players . IMO we should make our judgements after the window shuts and not before,as we cannot know the true situation. MLEE
  • Score: 4

11:58am Thu 24 Jul 14

Claude Back says...

Neville wrote:
Cockwomble
I posted on here that Brighton were about to name 2new players a few days before they became known,I had no idea who the players would be just that there would be two and I was informed by part of the hierarchy,so all is not fiction.
A lot of rumours and guessing does go on,of course,but there are people in the know on this site.
Well said, Neville and comments like that from Cockwomble (whatever the hell that is) only reduce the chances of them sharing such info. Does he really think that some of us don't mix with Albion staff, whether socially or professionally (contracts etc)? In the latter case it makes it difficult to share info and help fans on here know what is going on but sniping at those people is only going to make them disinclined to share anything.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Cockwomble I posted on here that Brighton were about to name 2new players a few days before they became known,I had no idea who the players would be just that there would be two and I was informed by part of the hierarchy,so all is not fiction. A lot of rumours and guessing does go on,of course,but there are people in the know on this site.[/p][/quote]Well said, Neville and comments like that from Cockwomble (whatever the hell that is) only reduce the chances of them sharing such info. Does he really think that some of us don't mix with Albion staff, whether socially or professionally (contracts etc)? In the latter case it makes it difficult to share info and help fans on here know what is going on but sniping at those people is only going to make them disinclined to share anything. Claude Back
  • Score: 6

12:07pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Claude Back says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Posted this on the previous thread. More relevant here:

What we're seeing is a completely new dynasty being shaped and at present, no-one, probably not even TB or SH, really knows how it will fully develop.
When Oscar took over last summer he was effectively asked to babysit an established squad. There was a definite feeling of continuity. But during his year, the break up started with Bridcutt's sale and that was followed by a glut of other departures with the end of season cull.
So Hyppia is effectively being asked to start from scratch and at the moment, it's looking like a long, slow haul.
Will we be competitive? Only time will tell, but those who are bizarrely beginning to judge Hyppia already, should (in my view) relax a little.
There are so many unknowns at the moment and one of them is how good he will prove to be as our manager. But at the moment, he may be coming to terms with the reality of how tough a job this is. (How many of us are reading between the lines in this story?)
After the last two seasons, expectation of our club is high but as far as the team is concerned, all we have at present is hope.
It's time for patience, not knee-jerk assessment because we drew a summer run-out.
Watching his interview on Seagull's Player gives, to me, some very subtle and clear messages. Sami's clearly a very 'nice' guy. I sincerely trust that he also has a bit which he sun afraid to exercise on those in charge of the club higher up.

Personally, I love the Louis Van Gaal approach. He says it exactly as it is and it's the truth! He will not tolerate the commercial side of the club negatively impacting the football side. He understands that there IS NO COMMERCIAL SIDE WITHOUT A SUCCESSFUL FOOTBALL SIDE. And he's not afraid of any consequences which his honest comments might bring.

David Gill was and is a football person, as well as an excellent Financial Director which proves that such people do exist. He and Fergie worked so well together and that's why they had so many years of unparalleled success. I get the feeling that this Ed Woodward is not quite the same and already he talks to the press and makes statements clearly opposite to those of the main man, Louis Van Gaal.

What has this to do with our beloved Seagulls? Simply that I hope they see the analogy and that these principles are not only for the so called 'big clubs' - they are a lesson to ALL clubs.

Let's hear your roar Sami and don't be afraid to go public with any concerns. We supporters read between lines and watch between sound bites.

I get it that Sami was genuinely disjointed to see Leo leave and I'm still not convinced that with a truly vibrant and unified approach, especially considering the happiness of his family, with some creative accounting that Leo could not have been persuaded to stay. I'm confused as to how so many decent players have moved to Championdhip clubs and even though it was clear we were going to sell Leo after a while, we had not got all the players we wanted all lined up, salaries negotiated just ready to sign as soon as the money arrived from Leo's sale.

As TB has frequently confirmed we didn't have to sell him then I'm sure all that money is available. Time will tell.

Keep positive.
Yep, I just hope it's not reading between the lies rather than lines. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Posted this on the previous thread. More relevant here: What we're seeing is a completely new dynasty being shaped and at present, no-one, probably not even TB or SH, really knows how it will fully develop. When Oscar took over last summer he was effectively asked to babysit an established squad. There was a definite feeling of continuity. But during his year, the break up started with Bridcutt's sale and that was followed by a glut of other departures with the end of season cull. So Hyppia is effectively being asked to start from scratch and at the moment, it's looking like a long, slow haul. Will we be competitive? Only time will tell, but those who are bizarrely beginning to judge Hyppia already, should (in my view) relax a little. There are so many unknowns at the moment and one of them is how good he will prove to be as our manager. But at the moment, he may be coming to terms with the reality of how tough a job this is. (How many of us are reading between the lines in this story?) After the last two seasons, expectation of our club is high but as far as the team is concerned, all we have at present is hope. It's time for patience, not knee-jerk assessment because we drew a summer run-out.[/p][/quote]Watching his interview on Seagull's Player gives, to me, some very subtle and clear messages. Sami's clearly a very 'nice' guy. I sincerely trust that he also has a bit which he sun afraid to exercise on those in charge of the club higher up. Personally, I love the Louis Van Gaal approach. He says it exactly as it is and it's the truth! He will not tolerate the commercial side of the club negatively impacting the football side. He understands that there IS NO COMMERCIAL SIDE WITHOUT A SUCCESSFUL FOOTBALL SIDE. And he's not afraid of any consequences which his honest comments might bring. David Gill was and is a football person, as well as an excellent Financial Director which proves that such people do exist. He and Fergie worked so well together and that's why they had so many years of unparalleled success. I get the feeling that this Ed Woodward is not quite the same and already he talks to the press and makes statements clearly opposite to those of the main man, Louis Van Gaal. What has this to do with our beloved Seagulls? Simply that I hope they see the analogy and that these principles are not only for the so called 'big clubs' - they are a lesson to ALL clubs. Let's hear your roar Sami and don't be afraid to go public with any concerns. We supporters read between lines and watch between sound bites. I get it that Sami was genuinely disjointed to see Leo leave and I'm still not convinced that with a truly vibrant and unified approach, especially considering the happiness of his family, with some creative accounting that Leo could not have been persuaded to stay. I'm confused as to how so many decent players have moved to Championdhip clubs and even though it was clear we were going to sell Leo after a while, we had not got all the players we wanted all lined up, salaries negotiated just ready to sign as soon as the money arrived from Leo's sale. As TB has frequently confirmed we didn't have to sell him then I'm sure all that money is available. Time will tell. Keep positive.[/p][/quote]Yep, I just hope it's not reading between the lies rather than lines. ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: 5

12:07pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Posted this on the previous thread. More relevant here:

What we're seeing is a completely new dynasty being shaped and at present, no-one, probably not even TB or SH, really knows how it will fully develop.
When Oscar took over last summer he was effectively asked to babysit an established squad. There was a definite feeling of continuity. But during his year, the break up started with Bridcutt's sale and that was followed by a glut of other departures with the end of season cull.
So Hyppia is effectively being asked to start from scratch and at the moment, it's looking like a long, slow haul.
Will we be competitive? Only time will tell, but those who are bizarrely beginning to judge Hyppia already, should (in my view) relax a little.
There are so many unknowns at the moment and one of them is how good he will prove to be as our manager. But at the moment, he may be coming to terms with the reality of how tough a job this is. (How many of us are reading between the lines in this story?)
After the last two seasons, expectation of our club is high but as far as the team is concerned, all we have at present is hope.
It's time for patience, not knee-jerk assessment because we drew a summer run-out.
Watching his interview on Seagull's Player gives, to me, some very subtle and clear messages. Sami's clearly a very 'nice' guy. I sincerely trust that he also has a bit which he sun afraid to exercise on those in charge of the club higher up.

Personally, I love the Louis Van Gaal approach. He says it exactly as it is and it's the truth! He will not tolerate the commercial side of the club negatively impacting the football side. He understands that there IS NO COMMERCIAL SIDE WITHOUT A SUCCESSFUL FOOTBALL SIDE. And he's not afraid of any consequences which his honest comments might bring.

David Gill was and is a football person, as well as an excellent Financial Director which proves that such people do exist. He and Fergie worked so well together and that's why they had so many years of unparalleled success. I get the feeling that this Ed Woodward is not quite the same and already he talks to the press and makes statements clearly opposite to those of the main man, Louis Van Gaal.

What has this to do with our beloved Seagulls? Simply that I hope they see the analogy and that these principles are not only for the so called 'big clubs' - they are a lesson to ALL clubs.

Let's hear your roar Sami and don't be afraid to go public with any concerns. We supporters read between lines and watch between sound bites.

I get it that Sami was genuinely disjointed to see Leo leave and I'm still not convinced that with a truly vibrant and unified approach, especially considering the happiness of his family, with some creative accounting that Leo could not have been persuaded to stay. I'm confused as to how so many decent players have moved to Championdhip clubs and even though it was clear we were going to sell Leo after a while, we had not got all the players we wanted all lined up, salaries negotiated just ready to sign as soon as the money arrived from Leo's sale.

As TB has frequently confirmed we didn't have to sell him then I'm sure all that money is available. Time will tell.

Keep positive.
To be fair, it's a bit easier for LVG to be strident and honest and put the marketing people in their place when he's manager of Manchester United; a club with global appeal and commercial contracts to match.
When you're at Brighton & Hove Albion, it really is a case of what comes first, the cart or the horse? We haven't got a £750m kit deal to fall back on if a few signings don't stack up so for us and most others in England, it's a fine balancing act.
Perhaps Sami does have some early frustration building, but unlike LVG, I don't think he's in a position to air them.
I also think Leo made it very clear when he left that he wanted Premier League football and that was the bottom line. I don't think the club can be blamed in any way for his departure. There many decisions I would question, but that isn't one of them.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Posted this on the previous thread. More relevant here: What we're seeing is a completely new dynasty being shaped and at present, no-one, probably not even TB or SH, really knows how it will fully develop. When Oscar took over last summer he was effectively asked to babysit an established squad. There was a definite feeling of continuity. But during his year, the break up started with Bridcutt's sale and that was followed by a glut of other departures with the end of season cull. So Hyppia is effectively being asked to start from scratch and at the moment, it's looking like a long, slow haul. Will we be competitive? Only time will tell, but those who are bizarrely beginning to judge Hyppia already, should (in my view) relax a little. There are so many unknowns at the moment and one of them is how good he will prove to be as our manager. But at the moment, he may be coming to terms with the reality of how tough a job this is. (How many of us are reading between the lines in this story?) After the last two seasons, expectation of our club is high but as far as the team is concerned, all we have at present is hope. It's time for patience, not knee-jerk assessment because we drew a summer run-out.[/p][/quote]Watching his interview on Seagull's Player gives, to me, some very subtle and clear messages. Sami's clearly a very 'nice' guy. I sincerely trust that he also has a bit which he sun afraid to exercise on those in charge of the club higher up. Personally, I love the Louis Van Gaal approach. He says it exactly as it is and it's the truth! He will not tolerate the commercial side of the club negatively impacting the football side. He understands that there IS NO COMMERCIAL SIDE WITHOUT A SUCCESSFUL FOOTBALL SIDE. And he's not afraid of any consequences which his honest comments might bring. David Gill was and is a football person, as well as an excellent Financial Director which proves that such people do exist. He and Fergie worked so well together and that's why they had so many years of unparalleled success. I get the feeling that this Ed Woodward is not quite the same and already he talks to the press and makes statements clearly opposite to those of the main man, Louis Van Gaal. What has this to do with our beloved Seagulls? Simply that I hope they see the analogy and that these principles are not only for the so called 'big clubs' - they are a lesson to ALL clubs. Let's hear your roar Sami and don't be afraid to go public with any concerns. We supporters read between lines and watch between sound bites. I get it that Sami was genuinely disjointed to see Leo leave and I'm still not convinced that with a truly vibrant and unified approach, especially considering the happiness of his family, with some creative accounting that Leo could not have been persuaded to stay. I'm confused as to how so many decent players have moved to Championdhip clubs and even though it was clear we were going to sell Leo after a while, we had not got all the players we wanted all lined up, salaries negotiated just ready to sign as soon as the money arrived from Leo's sale. As TB has frequently confirmed we didn't have to sell him then I'm sure all that money is available. Time will tell. Keep positive.[/p][/quote]To be fair, it's a bit easier for LVG to be strident and honest and put the marketing people in their place when he's manager of Manchester United; a club with global appeal and commercial contracts to match. When you're at Brighton & Hove Albion, it really is a case of what comes first, the cart or the horse? We haven't got a £750m kit deal to fall back on if a few signings don't stack up so for us and most others in England, it's a fine balancing act. Perhaps Sami does have some early frustration building, but unlike LVG, I don't think he's in a position to air them. I also think Leo made it very clear when he left that he wanted Premier League football and that was the bottom line. I don't think the club can be blamed in any way for his departure. There many decisions I would question, but that isn't one of them. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 6

12:30pm Thu 24 Jul 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Posted this on the previous thread. More relevant here:

What we're seeing is a completely new dynasty being shaped and at present, no-one, probably not even TB or SH, really knows how it will fully develop.
When Oscar took over last summer he was effectively asked to babysit an established squad. There was a definite feeling of continuity. But during his year, the break up started with Bridcutt's sale and that was followed by a glut of other departures with the end of season cull.
So Hyppia is effectively being asked to start from scratch and at the moment, it's looking like a long, slow haul.
Will we be competitive? Only time will tell, but those who are bizarrely beginning to judge Hyppia already, should (in my view) relax a little.
There are so many unknowns at the moment and one of them is how good he will prove to be as our manager. But at the moment, he may be coming to terms with the reality of how tough a job this is. (How many of us are reading between the lines in this story?)
After the last two seasons, expectation of our club is high but as far as the team is concerned, all we have at present is hope.
It's time for patience, not knee-jerk assessment because we drew a summer run-out.
Watching his interview on Seagull's Player gives, to me, some very subtle and clear messages. Sami's clearly a very 'nice' guy. I sincerely trust that he also has a bit which he sun afraid to exercise on those in charge of the club higher up.

Personally, I love the Louis Van Gaal approach. He says it exactly as it is and it's the truth! He will not tolerate the commercial side of the club negatively impacting the football side. He understands that there IS NO COMMERCIAL SIDE WITHOUT A SUCCESSFUL FOOTBALL SIDE. And he's not afraid of any consequences which his honest comments might bring.

David Gill was and is a football person, as well as an excellent Financial Director which proves that such people do exist. He and Fergie worked so well together and that's why they had so many years of unparalleled success. I get the feeling that this Ed Woodward is not quite the same and already he talks to the press and makes statements clearly opposite to those of the main man, Louis Van Gaal.

What has this to do with our beloved Seagulls? Simply that I hope they see the analogy and that these principles are not only for the so called 'big clubs' - they are a lesson to ALL clubs.

Let's hear your roar Sami and don't be afraid to go public with any concerns. We supporters read between lines and watch between sound bites.

I get it that Sami was genuinely disjointed to see Leo leave and I'm still not convinced that with a truly vibrant and unified approach, especially considering the happiness of his family, with some creative accounting that Leo could not have been persuaded to stay. I'm confused as to how so many decent players have moved to Championdhip clubs and even though it was clear we were going to sell Leo after a while, we had not got all the players we wanted all lined up, salaries negotiated just ready to sign as soon as the money arrived from Leo's sale.

As TB has frequently confirmed we didn't have to sell him then I'm sure all that money is available. Time will tell.

Keep positive.
To be fair, it's a bit easier for LVG to be strident and honest and put the marketing people in their place when he's manager of Manchester United; a club with global appeal and commercial contracts to match.
When you're at Brighton & Hove Albion, it really is a case of what comes first, the cart or the horse? We haven't got a £750m kit deal to fall back on if a few signings don't stack up so for us and most others in England, it's a fine balancing act.
Perhaps Sami does have some early frustration building, but unlike LVG, I don't think he's in a position to air them.
I also think Leo made it very clear when he left that he wanted Premier League football and that was the bottom line. I don't think the club can be blamed in any way for his departure. There many decisions I would question, but that isn't one of them.
I respect your comments and still I believe that is about attitude and basic good principles, not money or the size of the club. Ferguson and Van Gaal made very clear these principles even when they were at much smaller clubs in the Scottish and Dutch/Belgium Leagues. And that is, in my opinion, the reason WHY they both went on to have such amazing careers.

What some of the 'money mean' don't always appreciate is that THE PLAYERS are the ones who are looking to their manager to be the main man. Even if behind the scenes he might be something slightly different. They need to see that strength and leadership, unquestioned. Otherwise they often lose some respect in very subtle ways and they'll use it when things don't go their way. A bit like kids with a weak parent!

Whether the directorate wish to acknowledge it or not - EVERYTHING which happens has a subtle impact on the playing side. That's why Gus Poyet was so furious at those 'clapper things' being used for the Palace Play Off game without him bring consulted. Despite my not agreeing with all GP's behavior - I did understand his annoyance at that, seeming insignificant, episode.

I applaud QPR's owner for LISTENING to Harry Redknapp's obvious clear conscious ploy of bringing in a few old heads for one season to make sure they are able to KEEP them in the PL and give him time to slowly change things for the long term. Many criticize Harry without realizing that often his Chairmen haven't understood he knows what he's doing and he's ended up being blamed. He never wanted to spend all that money on Samba but the inexperienced owner thought he'd be making him happy by securing him and presented him as a fait au complet when Harry thought it was crazy. And he had the courage to say that, despite acknowledging that the owner was trying to help. It's just that he was so inexperienced.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Posted this on the previous thread. More relevant here: What we're seeing is a completely new dynasty being shaped and at present, no-one, probably not even TB or SH, really knows how it will fully develop. When Oscar took over last summer he was effectively asked to babysit an established squad. There was a definite feeling of continuity. But during his year, the break up started with Bridcutt's sale and that was followed by a glut of other departures with the end of season cull. So Hyppia is effectively being asked to start from scratch and at the moment, it's looking like a long, slow haul. Will we be competitive? Only time will tell, but those who are bizarrely beginning to judge Hyppia already, should (in my view) relax a little. There are so many unknowns at the moment and one of them is how good he will prove to be as our manager. But at the moment, he may be coming to terms with the reality of how tough a job this is. (How many of us are reading between the lines in this story?) After the last two seasons, expectation of our club is high but as far as the team is concerned, all we have at present is hope. It's time for patience, not knee-jerk assessment because we drew a summer run-out.[/p][/quote]Watching his interview on Seagull's Player gives, to me, some very subtle and clear messages. Sami's clearly a very 'nice' guy. I sincerely trust that he also has a bit which he sun afraid to exercise on those in charge of the club higher up. Personally, I love the Louis Van Gaal approach. He says it exactly as it is and it's the truth! He will not tolerate the commercial side of the club negatively impacting the football side. He understands that there IS NO COMMERCIAL SIDE WITHOUT A SUCCESSFUL FOOTBALL SIDE. And he's not afraid of any consequences which his honest comments might bring. David Gill was and is a football person, as well as an excellent Financial Director which proves that such people do exist. He and Fergie worked so well together and that's why they had so many years of unparalleled success. I get the feeling that this Ed Woodward is not quite the same and already he talks to the press and makes statements clearly opposite to those of the main man, Louis Van Gaal. What has this to do with our beloved Seagulls? Simply that I hope they see the analogy and that these principles are not only for the so called 'big clubs' - they are a lesson to ALL clubs. Let's hear your roar Sami and don't be afraid to go public with any concerns. We supporters read between lines and watch between sound bites. I get it that Sami was genuinely disjointed to see Leo leave and I'm still not convinced that with a truly vibrant and unified approach, especially considering the happiness of his family, with some creative accounting that Leo could not have been persuaded to stay. I'm confused as to how so many decent players have moved to Championdhip clubs and even though it was clear we were going to sell Leo after a while, we had not got all the players we wanted all lined up, salaries negotiated just ready to sign as soon as the money arrived from Leo's sale. As TB has frequently confirmed we didn't have to sell him then I'm sure all that money is available. Time will tell. Keep positive.[/p][/quote]To be fair, it's a bit easier for LVG to be strident and honest and put the marketing people in their place when he's manager of Manchester United; a club with global appeal and commercial contracts to match. When you're at Brighton & Hove Albion, it really is a case of what comes first, the cart or the horse? We haven't got a £750m kit deal to fall back on if a few signings don't stack up so for us and most others in England, it's a fine balancing act. Perhaps Sami does have some early frustration building, but unlike LVG, I don't think he's in a position to air them. I also think Leo made it very clear when he left that he wanted Premier League football and that was the bottom line. I don't think the club can be blamed in any way for his departure. There many decisions I would question, but that isn't one of them.[/p][/quote]I respect your comments and still I believe that is about attitude and basic good principles, not money or the size of the club. Ferguson and Van Gaal made very clear these principles even when they were at much smaller clubs in the Scottish and Dutch/Belgium Leagues. And that is, in my opinion, the reason WHY they both went on to have such amazing careers. What some of the 'money mean' don't always appreciate is that THE PLAYERS are the ones who are looking to their manager to be the main man. Even if behind the scenes he might be something slightly different. They need to see that strength and leadership, unquestioned. Otherwise they often lose some respect in very subtle ways and they'll use it when things don't go their way. A bit like kids with a weak parent! Whether the directorate wish to acknowledge it or not - EVERYTHING which happens has a subtle impact on the playing side. That's why Gus Poyet was so furious at those 'clapper things' being used for the Palace Play Off game without him bring consulted. Despite my not agreeing with all GP's behavior - I did understand his annoyance at that, seeming insignificant, episode. I applaud QPR's owner for LISTENING to Harry Redknapp's obvious clear conscious ploy of bringing in a few old heads for one season to make sure they are able to KEEP them in the PL and give him time to slowly change things for the long term. Many criticize Harry without realizing that often his Chairmen haven't understood he knows what he's doing and he's ended up being blamed. He never wanted to spend all that money on Samba but the inexperienced owner thought he'd be making him happy by securing him and presented him as a fait au complet when Harry thought it was crazy. And he had the courage to say that, despite acknowledging that the owner was trying to help. It's just that he was so inexperienced. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 2

12:56pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Claude Back says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Posted this on the previous thread. More relevant here:

What we're seeing is a completely new dynasty being shaped and at present, no-one, probably not even TB or SH, really knows how it will fully develop.
When Oscar took over last summer he was effectively asked to babysit an established squad. There was a definite feeling of continuity. But during his year, the break up started with Bridcutt's sale and that was followed by a glut of other departures with the end of season cull.
So Hyppia is effectively being asked to start from scratch and at the moment, it's looking like a long, slow haul.
Will we be competitive? Only time will tell, but those who are bizarrely beginning to judge Hyppia already, should (in my view) relax a little.
There are so many unknowns at the moment and one of them is how good he will prove to be as our manager. But at the moment, he may be coming to terms with the reality of how tough a job this is. (How many of us are reading between the lines in this story?)
After the last two seasons, expectation of our club is high but as far as the team is concerned, all we have at present is hope.
It's time for patience, not knee-jerk assessment because we drew a summer run-out.
Watching his interview on Seagull's Player gives, to me, some very subtle and clear messages. Sami's clearly a very 'nice' guy. I sincerely trust that he also has a bit which he sun afraid to exercise on those in charge of the club higher up.

Personally, I love the Louis Van Gaal approach. He says it exactly as it is and it's the truth! He will not tolerate the commercial side of the club negatively impacting the football side. He understands that there IS NO COMMERCIAL SIDE WITHOUT A SUCCESSFUL FOOTBALL SIDE. And he's not afraid of any consequences which his honest comments might bring.

David Gill was and is a football person, as well as an excellent Financial Director which proves that such people do exist. He and Fergie worked so well together and that's why they had so many years of unparalleled success. I get the feeling that this Ed Woodward is not quite the same and already he talks to the press and makes statements clearly opposite to those of the main man, Louis Van Gaal.

What has this to do with our beloved Seagulls? Simply that I hope they see the analogy and that these principles are not only for the so called 'big clubs' - they are a lesson to ALL clubs.

Let's hear your roar Sami and don't be afraid to go public with any concerns. We supporters read between lines and watch between sound bites.

I get it that Sami was genuinely disjointed to see Leo leave and I'm still not convinced that with a truly vibrant and unified approach, especially considering the happiness of his family, with some creative accounting that Leo could not have been persuaded to stay. I'm confused as to how so many decent players have moved to Championdhip clubs and even though it was clear we were going to sell Leo after a while, we had not got all the players we wanted all lined up, salaries negotiated just ready to sign as soon as the money arrived from Leo's sale.

As TB has frequently confirmed we didn't have to sell him then I'm sure all that money is available. Time will tell.

Keep positive.
To be fair, it's a bit easier for LVG to be strident and honest and put the marketing people in their place when he's manager of Manchester United; a club with global appeal and commercial contracts to match.
When you're at Brighton & Hove Albion, it really is a case of what comes first, the cart or the horse? We haven't got a £750m kit deal to fall back on if a few signings don't stack up so for us and most others in England, it's a fine balancing act.
Perhaps Sami does have some early frustration building, but unlike LVG, I don't think he's in a position to air them.
I also think Leo made it very clear when he left that he wanted Premier League football and that was the bottom line. I don't think the club can be blamed in any way for his departure. There many decisions I would question, but that isn't one of them.
I respect your comments and still I believe that is about attitude and basic good principles, not money or the size of the club. Ferguson and Van Gaal made very clear these principles even when they were at much smaller clubs in the Scottish and Dutch/Belgium Leagues. And that is, in my opinion, the reason WHY they both went on to have such amazing careers.

What some of the 'money mean' don't always appreciate is that THE PLAYERS are the ones who are looking to their manager to be the main man. Even if behind the scenes he might be something slightly different. They need to see that strength and leadership, unquestioned. Otherwise they often lose some respect in very subtle ways and they'll use it when things don't go their way. A bit like kids with a weak parent!

Whether the directorate wish to acknowledge it or not - EVERYTHING which happens has a subtle impact on the playing side. That's why Gus Poyet was so furious at those 'clapper things' being used for the Palace Play Off game without him bring consulted. Despite my not agreeing with all GP's behavior - I did understand his annoyance at that, seeming insignificant, episode.

I applaud QPR's owner for LISTENING to Harry Redknapp's obvious clear conscious ploy of bringing in a few old heads for one season to make sure they are able to KEEP them in the PL and give him time to slowly change things for the long term. Many criticize Harry without realizing that often his Chairmen haven't understood he knows what he's doing and he's ended up being blamed. He never wanted to spend all that money on Samba but the inexperienced owner thought he'd be making him happy by securing him and presented him as a fait au complet when Harry thought it was crazy. And he had the courage to say that, despite acknowledging that the owner was trying to help. It's just that he was so inexperienced.
Sorry, W.S. you make some decent comments but I don't agree about Redknapp.
His track record is that he always brings in ageing players on expensive contracts that cripple the Club financially. The players get slower and ineffective after one season but have three or four year contracts and are difficult to sell on. Look at So'ton, Bournemouth and Portsmouth who all went into Administration after Redknapp had been there a few years.. That's why Spurs got rid of him because he had no youth policy and the Chairman saw what would happen even though they had just had a good season. You're right about Samba to a degree but it was just as much Dirty Harry's fault as Tony Fernandes'.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Posted this on the previous thread. More relevant here: What we're seeing is a completely new dynasty being shaped and at present, no-one, probably not even TB or SH, really knows how it will fully develop. When Oscar took over last summer he was effectively asked to babysit an established squad. There was a definite feeling of continuity. But during his year, the break up started with Bridcutt's sale and that was followed by a glut of other departures with the end of season cull. So Hyppia is effectively being asked to start from scratch and at the moment, it's looking like a long, slow haul. Will we be competitive? Only time will tell, but those who are bizarrely beginning to judge Hyppia already, should (in my view) relax a little. There are so many unknowns at the moment and one of them is how good he will prove to be as our manager. But at the moment, he may be coming to terms with the reality of how tough a job this is. (How many of us are reading between the lines in this story?) After the last two seasons, expectation of our club is high but as far as the team is concerned, all we have at present is hope. It's time for patience, not knee-jerk assessment because we drew a summer run-out.[/p][/quote]Watching his interview on Seagull's Player gives, to me, some very subtle and clear messages. Sami's clearly a very 'nice' guy. I sincerely trust that he also has a bit which he sun afraid to exercise on those in charge of the club higher up. Personally, I love the Louis Van Gaal approach. He says it exactly as it is and it's the truth! He will not tolerate the commercial side of the club negatively impacting the football side. He understands that there IS NO COMMERCIAL SIDE WITHOUT A SUCCESSFUL FOOTBALL SIDE. And he's not afraid of any consequences which his honest comments might bring. David Gill was and is a football person, as well as an excellent Financial Director which proves that such people do exist. He and Fergie worked so well together and that's why they had so many years of unparalleled success. I get the feeling that this Ed Woodward is not quite the same and already he talks to the press and makes statements clearly opposite to those of the main man, Louis Van Gaal. What has this to do with our beloved Seagulls? Simply that I hope they see the analogy and that these principles are not only for the so called 'big clubs' - they are a lesson to ALL clubs. Let's hear your roar Sami and don't be afraid to go public with any concerns. We supporters read between lines and watch between sound bites. I get it that Sami was genuinely disjointed to see Leo leave and I'm still not convinced that with a truly vibrant and unified approach, especially considering the happiness of his family, with some creative accounting that Leo could not have been persuaded to stay. I'm confused as to how so many decent players have moved to Championdhip clubs and even though it was clear we were going to sell Leo after a while, we had not got all the players we wanted all lined up, salaries negotiated just ready to sign as soon as the money arrived from Leo's sale. As TB has frequently confirmed we didn't have to sell him then I'm sure all that money is available. Time will tell. Keep positive.[/p][/quote]To be fair, it's a bit easier for LVG to be strident and honest and put the marketing people in their place when he's manager of Manchester United; a club with global appeal and commercial contracts to match. When you're at Brighton & Hove Albion, it really is a case of what comes first, the cart or the horse? We haven't got a £750m kit deal to fall back on if a few signings don't stack up so for us and most others in England, it's a fine balancing act. Perhaps Sami does have some early frustration building, but unlike LVG, I don't think he's in a position to air them. I also think Leo made it very clear when he left that he wanted Premier League football and that was the bottom line. I don't think the club can be blamed in any way for his departure. There many decisions I would question, but that isn't one of them.[/p][/quote]I respect your comments and still I believe that is about attitude and basic good principles, not money or the size of the club. Ferguson and Van Gaal made very clear these principles even when they were at much smaller clubs in the Scottish and Dutch/Belgium Leagues. And that is, in my opinion, the reason WHY they both went on to have such amazing careers. What some of the 'money mean' don't always appreciate is that THE PLAYERS are the ones who are looking to their manager to be the main man. Even if behind the scenes he might be something slightly different. They need to see that strength and leadership, unquestioned. Otherwise they often lose some respect in very subtle ways and they'll use it when things don't go their way. A bit like kids with a weak parent! Whether the directorate wish to acknowledge it or not - EVERYTHING which happens has a subtle impact on the playing side. That's why Gus Poyet was so furious at those 'clapper things' being used for the Palace Play Off game without him bring consulted. Despite my not agreeing with all GP's behavior - I did understand his annoyance at that, seeming insignificant, episode. I applaud QPR's owner for LISTENING to Harry Redknapp's obvious clear conscious ploy of bringing in a few old heads for one season to make sure they are able to KEEP them in the PL and give him time to slowly change things for the long term. Many criticize Harry without realizing that often his Chairmen haven't understood he knows what he's doing and he's ended up being blamed. He never wanted to spend all that money on Samba but the inexperienced owner thought he'd be making him happy by securing him and presented him as a fait au complet when Harry thought it was crazy. And he had the courage to say that, despite acknowledging that the owner was trying to help. It's just that he was so inexperienced.[/p][/quote]Sorry, W.S. you make some decent comments but I don't agree about Redknapp. His track record is that he always brings in ageing players on expensive contracts that cripple the Club financially. The players get slower and ineffective after one season but have three or four year contracts and are difficult to sell on. Look at So'ton, Bournemouth and Portsmouth who all went into Administration after Redknapp had been there a few years.. That's why Spurs got rid of him because he had no youth policy and the Chairman saw what would happen even though they had just had a good season. You're right about Samba to a degree but it was just as much Dirty Harry's fault as Tony Fernandes'. Claude Back
  • Score: 9

1:00pm Thu 24 Jul 14

sussexram40 says...

Just Hyypia's subtle way of telling the fans not to expect very much from him and this season!!!!!
Very sad days. If only we could turn the clock back 3 years when we moved to the Amex under GP's leadership and optimism was massive.
Once again the Albion has had a chaotic summer break with another new manager brought in after another managerless period. Result - we appear a club in chaos, players dont want to come here and we've left it too late to be effective in the transfer market.
Ultimate result - another wasted year. Come on Bloom and Barber - get it sorted. The fans are losing patience.
Just Hyypia's subtle way of telling the fans not to expect very much from him and this season!!!!! Very sad days. If only we could turn the clock back 3 years when we moved to the Amex under GP's leadership and optimism was massive. Once again the Albion has had a chaotic summer break with another new manager brought in after another managerless period. Result - we appear a club in chaos, players dont want to come here and we've left it too late to be effective in the transfer market. Ultimate result - another wasted year. Come on Bloom and Barber - get it sorted. The fans are losing patience. sussexram40
  • Score: 0

1:11pm Thu 24 Jul 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Claude Back wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
Posted this on the previous thread. More relevant here:

What we're seeing is a completely new dynasty being shaped and at present, no-one, probably not even TB or SH, really knows how it will fully develop.
When Oscar took over last summer he was effectively asked to babysit an established squad. There was a definite feeling of continuity. But during his year, the break up started with Bridcutt's sale and that was followed by a glut of other departures with the end of season cull.
So Hyppia is effectively being asked to start from scratch and at the moment, it's looking like a long, slow haul.
Will we be competitive? Only time will tell, but those who are bizarrely beginning to judge Hyppia already, should (in my view) relax a little.
There are so many unknowns at the moment and one of them is how good he will prove to be as our manager. But at the moment, he may be coming to terms with the reality of how tough a job this is. (How many of us are reading between the lines in this story?)
After the last two seasons, expectation of our club is high but as far as the team is concerned, all we have at present is hope.
It's time for patience, not knee-jerk assessment because we drew a summer run-out.
Watching his interview on Seagull's Player gives, to me, some very subtle and clear messages. Sami's clearly a very 'nice' guy. I sincerely trust that he also has a bit which he sun afraid to exercise on those in charge of the club higher up.

Personally, I love the Louis Van Gaal approach. He says it exactly as it is and it's the truth! He will not tolerate the commercial side of the club negatively impacting the football side. He understands that there IS NO COMMERCIAL SIDE WITHOUT A SUCCESSFUL FOOTBALL SIDE. And he's not afraid of any consequences which his honest comments might bring.

David Gill was and is a football person, as well as an excellent Financial Director which proves that such people do exist. He and Fergie worked so well together and that's why they had so many years of unparalleled success. I get the feeling that this Ed Woodward is not quite the same and already he talks to the press and makes statements clearly opposite to those of the main man, Louis Van Gaal.

What has this to do with our beloved Seagulls? Simply that I hope they see the analogy and that these principles are not only for the so called 'big clubs' - they are a lesson to ALL clubs.

Let's hear your roar Sami and don't be afraid to go public with any concerns. We supporters read between lines and watch between sound bites.

I get it that Sami was genuinely disjointed to see Leo leave and I'm still not convinced that with a truly vibrant and unified approach, especially considering the happiness of his family, with some creative accounting that Leo could not have been persuaded to stay. I'm confused as to how so many decent players have moved to Championdhip clubs and even though it was clear we were going to sell Leo after a while, we had not got all the players we wanted all lined up, salaries negotiated just ready to sign as soon as the money arrived from Leo's sale.

As TB has frequently confirmed we didn't have to sell him then I'm sure all that money is available. Time will tell.

Keep positive.
To be fair, it's a bit easier for LVG to be strident and honest and put the marketing people in their place when he's manager of Manchester United; a club with global appeal and commercial contracts to match.
When you're at Brighton & Hove Albion, it really is a case of what comes first, the cart or the horse? We haven't got a £750m kit deal to fall back on if a few signings don't stack up so for us and most others in England, it's a fine balancing act.
Perhaps Sami does have some early frustration building, but unlike LVG, I don't think he's in a position to air them.
I also think Leo made it very clear when he left that he wanted Premier League football and that was the bottom line. I don't think the club can be blamed in any way for his departure. There many decisions I would question, but that isn't one of them.
I respect your comments and still I believe that is about attitude and basic good principles, not money or the size of the club. Ferguson and Van Gaal made very clear these principles even when they were at much smaller clubs in the Scottish and Dutch/Belgium Leagues. And that is, in my opinion, the reason WHY they both went on to have such amazing careers.

What some of the 'money mean' don't always appreciate is that THE PLAYERS are the ones who are looking to their manager to be the main man. Even if behind the scenes he might be something slightly different. They need to see that strength and leadership, unquestioned. Otherwise they often lose some respect in very subtle ways and they'll use it when things don't go their way. A bit like kids with a weak parent!

Whether the directorate wish to acknowledge it or not - EVERYTHING which happens has a subtle impact on the playing side. That's why Gus Poyet was so furious at those 'clapper things' being used for the Palace Play Off game without him bring consulted. Despite my not agreeing with all GP's behavior - I did understand his annoyance at that, seeming insignificant, episode.

I applaud QPR's owner for LISTENING to Harry Redknapp's obvious clear conscious ploy of bringing in a few old heads for one season to make sure they are able to KEEP them in the PL and give him time to slowly change things for the long term. Many criticize Harry without realizing that often his Chairmen haven't understood he knows what he's doing and he's ended up being blamed. He never wanted to spend all that money on Samba but the inexperienced owner thought he'd be making him happy by securing him and presented him as a fait au complet when Harry thought it was crazy. And he had the courage to say that, despite acknowledging that the owner was trying to help. It's just that he was so inexperienced.
Sorry, W.S. you make some decent comments but I don't agree about Redknapp.
His track record is that he always brings in ageing players on expensive contracts that cripple the Club financially. The players get slower and ineffective after one season but have three or four year contracts and are difficult to sell on. Look at So'ton, Bournemouth and Portsmouth who all went into Administration after Redknapp had been there a few years.. That's why Spurs got rid of him because he had no youth policy and the Chairman saw what would happen even though they had just had a good season. You're right about Samba to a degree but it was just as much Dirty Harry's fault as Tony Fernandes'.
Could well be right there Claude. I guess I'm getting a bit carried away at wanting our managers to be in charge! I do think it works better that way because, even though you have a point regarding Harry. I'm sure all the supporters of those clubs also enjoyed where they went with HIM in charge. Champions League, FA Cup, Promotion to PL etc etc.

I just love people who have real enthusiasm and passion and are willing to have a right go. People like that have a power of persuasion and players are mesmerized by that power and can't wait to get on board. It does seem the opposite is the case with our club right now and I guess that's what concerns me. I think we need a passionate and persuasive character to get players in. I'd truly consider Alan Mullery to do that role. He's passionate, doesn't want to be involved at the management level anymore but still cares about the club and has got great history and GOTG!
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Posted this on the previous thread. More relevant here: What we're seeing is a completely new dynasty being shaped and at present, no-one, probably not even TB or SH, really knows how it will fully develop. When Oscar took over last summer he was effectively asked to babysit an established squad. There was a definite feeling of continuity. But during his year, the break up started with Bridcutt's sale and that was followed by a glut of other departures with the end of season cull. So Hyppia is effectively being asked to start from scratch and at the moment, it's looking like a long, slow haul. Will we be competitive? Only time will tell, but those who are bizarrely beginning to judge Hyppia already, should (in my view) relax a little. There are so many unknowns at the moment and one of them is how good he will prove to be as our manager. But at the moment, he may be coming to terms with the reality of how tough a job this is. (How many of us are reading between the lines in this story?) After the last two seasons, expectation of our club is high but as far as the team is concerned, all we have at present is hope. It's time for patience, not knee-jerk assessment because we drew a summer run-out.[/p][/quote]Watching his interview on Seagull's Player gives, to me, some very subtle and clear messages. Sami's clearly a very 'nice' guy. I sincerely trust that he also has a bit which he sun afraid to exercise on those in charge of the club higher up. Personally, I love the Louis Van Gaal approach. He says it exactly as it is and it's the truth! He will not tolerate the commercial side of the club negatively impacting the football side. He understands that there IS NO COMMERCIAL SIDE WITHOUT A SUCCESSFUL FOOTBALL SIDE. And he's not afraid of any consequences which his honest comments might bring. David Gill was and is a football person, as well as an excellent Financial Director which proves that such people do exist. He and Fergie worked so well together and that's why they had so many years of unparalleled success. I get the feeling that this Ed Woodward is not quite the same and already he talks to the press and makes statements clearly opposite to those of the main man, Louis Van Gaal. What has this to do with our beloved Seagulls? Simply that I hope they see the analogy and that these principles are not only for the so called 'big clubs' - they are a lesson to ALL clubs. Let's hear your roar Sami and don't be afraid to go public with any concerns. We supporters read between lines and watch between sound bites. I get it that Sami was genuinely disjointed to see Leo leave and I'm still not convinced that with a truly vibrant and unified approach, especially considering the happiness of his family, with some creative accounting that Leo could not have been persuaded to stay. I'm confused as to how so many decent players have moved to Championdhip clubs and even though it was clear we were going to sell Leo after a while, we had not got all the players we wanted all lined up, salaries negotiated just ready to sign as soon as the money arrived from Leo's sale. As TB has frequently confirmed we didn't have to sell him then I'm sure all that money is available. Time will tell. Keep positive.[/p][/quote]To be fair, it's a bit easier for LVG to be strident and honest and put the marketing people in their place when he's manager of Manchester United; a club with global appeal and commercial contracts to match. When you're at Brighton & Hove Albion, it really is a case of what comes first, the cart or the horse? We haven't got a £750m kit deal to fall back on if a few signings don't stack up so for us and most others in England, it's a fine balancing act. Perhaps Sami does have some early frustration building, but unlike LVG, I don't think he's in a position to air them. I also think Leo made it very clear when he left that he wanted Premier League football and that was the bottom line. I don't think the club can be blamed in any way for his departure. There many decisions I would question, but that isn't one of them.[/p][/quote]I respect your comments and still I believe that is about attitude and basic good principles, not money or the size of the club. Ferguson and Van Gaal made very clear these principles even when they were at much smaller clubs in the Scottish and Dutch/Belgium Leagues. And that is, in my opinion, the reason WHY they both went on to have such amazing careers. What some of the 'money mean' don't always appreciate is that THE PLAYERS are the ones who are looking to their manager to be the main man. Even if behind the scenes he might be something slightly different. They need to see that strength and leadership, unquestioned. Otherwise they often lose some respect in very subtle ways and they'll use it when things don't go their way. A bit like kids with a weak parent! Whether the directorate wish to acknowledge it or not - EVERYTHING which happens has a subtle impact on the playing side. That's why Gus Poyet was so furious at those 'clapper things' being used for the Palace Play Off game without him bring consulted. Despite my not agreeing with all GP's behavior - I did understand his annoyance at that, seeming insignificant, episode. I applaud QPR's owner for LISTENING to Harry Redknapp's obvious clear conscious ploy of bringing in a few old heads for one season to make sure they are able to KEEP them in the PL and give him time to slowly change things for the long term. Many criticize Harry without realizing that often his Chairmen haven't understood he knows what he's doing and he's ended up being blamed. He never wanted to spend all that money on Samba but the inexperienced owner thought he'd be making him happy by securing him and presented him as a fait au complet when Harry thought it was crazy. And he had the courage to say that, despite acknowledging that the owner was trying to help. It's just that he was so inexperienced.[/p][/quote]Sorry, W.S. you make some decent comments but I don't agree about Redknapp. His track record is that he always brings in ageing players on expensive contracts that cripple the Club financially. The players get slower and ineffective after one season but have three or four year contracts and are difficult to sell on. Look at So'ton, Bournemouth and Portsmouth who all went into Administration after Redknapp had been there a few years.. That's why Spurs got rid of him because he had no youth policy and the Chairman saw what would happen even though they had just had a good season. You're right about Samba to a degree but it was just as much Dirty Harry's fault as Tony Fernandes'.[/p][/quote]Could well be right there Claude. I guess I'm getting a bit carried away at wanting our managers to be in charge! I do think it works better that way because, even though you have a point regarding Harry. I'm sure all the supporters of those clubs also enjoyed where they went with HIM in charge. Champions League, FA Cup, Promotion to PL etc etc. I just love people who have real enthusiasm and passion and are willing to have a right go. People like that have a power of persuasion and players are mesmerized by that power and can't wait to get on board. It does seem the opposite is the case with our club right now and I guess that's what concerns me. I think we need a passionate and persuasive character to get players in. I'd truly consider Alan Mullery to do that role. He's passionate, doesn't want to be involved at the management level anymore but still cares about the club and has got great history and GOTG! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 3

1:16pm Thu 24 Jul 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

I also remember when the great combination of Tony's grandad, Harry and Mike Bamber went out and persuaded the biggest, hottest managerial team on the planet at the time to come to our little old Third Division team struggling to avoid relegation. Nobody could believe it. Clough and Taylor at Brighton! You can't be serious some said. But here they were as bold as brass and Harry Bloom played a massive part in supporting Bamber to get them.

That's the kind of energy I think is needed now. Gives the whole place and supporters a lift.
I also remember when the great combination of Tony's grandad, Harry and Mike Bamber went out and persuaded the biggest, hottest managerial team on the planet at the time to come to our little old Third Division team struggling to avoid relegation. Nobody could believe it. Clough and Taylor at Brighton! You can't be serious some said. But here they were as bold as brass and Harry Bloom played a massive part in supporting Bamber to get them. That's the kind of energy I think is needed now. Gives the whole place and supporters a lift. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 3

1:28pm Thu 24 Jul 14

AlastairWatts says...

Havok82 wrote:
Why do so many fans "know" we won't be spending the Ulloa money? How do so many fans "know" TB wants to sell the club? How do so many fans know that the back room staff are the problem why we can't get players in? I must be missing something because all I know is I love my club no matter who's in charge or who's playing for us or what league we're in. We have had great seasons and shocking ones but does that matter? Every team does look at United last season. I've heard people knocking the word relegation about....... Why? Because we have a weak team at the moment? The Ulloa deal has only just happened which means the money has only just come. Let's wait until the transfer window is closed and the season is well under way before judgements are made. UTA
Why should TB sell up? In Dick Knight's book he's quoted as saying' 'Come on Dick, you know I'm Albion through and through'. As far as I know or can see nothing has happened to change that. Remember, this is the guy who stuck in £110 MILLION for the Amex. We have a new manager who's hardly got his feet under the desk, so not unreasonably he's obviously being cautious about press interviews. And do we really have a weak team? - maybe it might better to wait a few weeks to find out. Like most fans I was more than sorry that Leo went: but better to think about replacements rather than rush out and buy more Dobbies and Vokes lookalikes...
[quote][p][bold]Havok82[/bold] wrote: Why do so many fans "know" we won't be spending the Ulloa money? How do so many fans "know" TB wants to sell the club? How do so many fans know that the back room staff are the problem why we can't get players in? I must be missing something because all I know is I love my club no matter who's in charge or who's playing for us or what league we're in. We have had great seasons and shocking ones but does that matter? Every team does look at United last season. I've heard people knocking the word relegation about....... Why? Because we have a weak team at the moment? The Ulloa deal has only just happened which means the money has only just come. Let's wait until the transfer window is closed and the season is well under way before judgements are made. UTA[/p][/quote]Why should TB sell up? In Dick Knight's book he's quoted as saying' 'Come on Dick, you know I'm Albion through and through'. As far as I know or can see nothing has happened to change that. Remember, this is the guy who stuck in £110 MILLION for the Amex. We have a new manager who's hardly got his feet under the desk, so not unreasonably he's obviously being cautious about press interviews. And do we really have a weak team? - maybe it might better to wait a few weeks to find out. Like most fans I was more than sorry that Leo went: but better to think about replacements rather than rush out and buy more Dobbies and Vokes lookalikes... AlastairWatts
  • Score: -2

1:48pm Thu 24 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

The performance level was not good at Crawley but at least it did serve to highlight our need for new players, so not all was wasted.

Hyypia is obviously right when he talks of getting new players in before the season starts, time is running out, but the window still gives us enough time to recuit. It might well be that we start without all our ducks in a row, but that doesn't mean that we won't get to that point by the time the window closes.

The, 'Leo money,' is a blessing and a curse, other clubs, players and their agents all know what we got and they will all want a piece of it, if they can get it, and that fact will slow the pace when it comes to signing players. Try telling Ward that we can't afford 13K a week, that 8 or 9K is the best we can do given our financial situation, his agent will spit in your eye.

The frustration that Hyypia might be feeling could be caused by the fact that he knows that we have made decent offers for players, offered what they are worth, but more is being demanded and the club are refusing to be mugged.

It would please some if Lingard were to return for the season, but right now Gaal has bigger fish to fry, I doubt that making a dicision about Lingard's future figures too highly on his to do list. Liverpool have been very busy in the market and still are, getting players in is their priority, placing players on loan, or indeed maybe selling off a fringe player, are probably back burner issues as things stand today.

Before this window closes there will be different players joining the, 'available pool,' either for sale or loan, we are just going to have to wait if we want to pluck a few from that pool.
The performance level was not good at Crawley but at least it did serve to highlight our need for new players, so not all was wasted. Hyypia is obviously right when he talks of getting new players in before the season starts, time is running out, but the window still gives us enough time to recuit. It might well be that we start without all our ducks in a row, but that doesn't mean that we won't get to that point by the time the window closes. The, 'Leo money,' is a blessing and a curse, other clubs, players and their agents all know what we got and they will all want a piece of it, if they can get it, and that fact will slow the pace when it comes to signing players. Try telling Ward that we can't afford 13K a week, that 8 or 9K is the best we can do given our financial situation, his agent will spit in your eye. The frustration that Hyypia might be feeling could be caused by the fact that he knows that we have made decent offers for players, offered what they are worth, but more is being demanded and the club are refusing to be mugged. It would please some if Lingard were to return for the season, but right now Gaal has bigger fish to fry, I doubt that making a dicision about Lingard's future figures too highly on his to do list. Liverpool have been very busy in the market and still are, getting players in is their priority, placing players on loan, or indeed maybe selling off a fringe player, are probably back burner issues as things stand today. Before this window closes there will be different players joining the, 'available pool,' either for sale or loan, we are just going to have to wait if we want to pluck a few from that pool. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 6

3:09pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Beale32 says...

Blah!! Blah!!! Blah!!!

keep the faith.

up the albion
Blah!! Blah!!! Blah!!! keep the faith. up the albion Beale32
  • Score: 3

3:19pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Cliify0002 says...

To be honest , a training ground that has replaced players this season. I really can't see any use having it at the cost of a sub standard team . Most of the desirable players are sorted that leaves the ones with no where to go . I thought I saw progress with the club but it's more a brand now than anything else.
To be honest , a training ground that has replaced players this season. I really can't see any use having it at the cost of a sub standard team . Most of the desirable players are sorted that leaves the ones with no where to go . I thought I saw progress with the club but it's more a brand now than anything else. Cliify0002
  • Score: -6

3:33pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Cliify0002 wrote:
To be honest , a training ground that has replaced players this season. I really can't see any use having it at the cost of a sub standard team . Most of the desirable players are sorted that leaves the ones with no where to go . I thought I saw progress with the club but it's more a brand now than anything else.
MOST of the desirable players? There are still loads of players out there either free or purchasable, and there will be more still when the Prem clubs sort out their squads. I have absolutely no doubt that the squad will be competitive by the first game and very competitive by the end of the window (it's ridiculous that they happen in that order, but that's another story) and I promise I will whinge about the club like so many other if that doesn't happen.

Interesting that Jesse Lingard was not one of the 22 players Man U used against LA. His time at Old Trafford may be coming to an end.
[quote][p][bold]Cliify0002[/bold] wrote: To be honest , a training ground that has replaced players this season. I really can't see any use having it at the cost of a sub standard team . Most of the desirable players are sorted that leaves the ones with no where to go . I thought I saw progress with the club but it's more a brand now than anything else.[/p][/quote]MOST of the desirable players? There are still loads of players out there either free or purchasable, and there will be more still when the Prem clubs sort out their squads. I have absolutely no doubt that the squad will be competitive by the first game and very competitive by the end of the window (it's ridiculous that they happen in that order, but that's another story) and I promise I will whinge about the club like so many other if that doesn't happen. Interesting that Jesse Lingard was not one of the 22 players Man U used against LA. His time at Old Trafford may be coming to an end. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 8

3:47pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Aldrington Halt says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
Since withdean,me thinks we have become spoilt little brats.
Now we start moaning before the season has even started and have player agent posters.
Last night i saw a Crawley team going for it(wanted scalp),Albion looked like a side in a testimonial game.
The result does not matter but no effort sorry no go,the clock is ticking.

I have always said Albion are a good great championship team,through no fault of their own(falmer protests-ffp-Pl),we have missed the boat.

But we may dream.
We are pretenders to the championship crown proven by the last two years results, Crawley as you rightly say were scalp hunting so were obviously more exited and hungry for it. We looked like a side finding their feet but managed to hold Crawley at bay with our players superior technique and experience. These games are for testing out tactics and giving game time to the un-usual suspects not going all out for a win. As for the 'quality' signing talk, in my humble opinion we have enough quality already if the team spirit and unity is there, this is what we should be building up and what will keep us in good stead for this season.
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: Since withdean,me thinks we have become spoilt little brats. Now we start moaning before the season has even started and have player agent posters. Last night i saw a Crawley team going for it(wanted scalp),Albion looked like a side in a testimonial game. The result does not matter but no effort sorry no go,the clock is ticking. I have always said Albion are a good great championship team,through no fault of their own(falmer protests-ffp-Pl),we have missed the boat. But we may dream.[/p][/quote]We are pretenders to the championship crown proven by the last two years results, Crawley as you rightly say were scalp hunting so were obviously more exited and hungry for it. We looked like a side finding their feet but managed to hold Crawley at bay with our players superior technique and experience. These games are for testing out tactics and giving game time to the un-usual suspects not going all out for a win. As for the 'quality' signing talk, in my humble opinion we have enough quality already if the team spirit and unity is there, this is what we should be building up and what will keep us in good stead for this season. Aldrington Halt
  • Score: 7

3:54pm Thu 24 Jul 14

sussexram40 says...

I think Hyypia will have walked out by Xmas.
I think Hyypia will have walked out by Xmas. sussexram40
  • Score: -2

4:21pm Thu 24 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Cliify0002 wrote:
To be honest , a training ground that has replaced players this season. I really can't see any use having it at the cost of a sub standard team . Most of the desirable players are sorted that leaves the ones with no where to go . I thought I saw progress with the club but it's more a brand now than anything else.
MOST of the desirable players? There are still loads of players out there either free or purchasable, and there will be more still when the Prem clubs sort out their squads. I have absolutely no doubt that the squad will be competitive by the first game and very competitive by the end of the window (it's ridiculous that they happen in that order, but that's another story) and I promise I will whinge about the club like so many other if that doesn't happen.

Interesting that Jesse Lingard was not one of the 22 players Man U used against LA. His time at Old Trafford may be coming to an end.
I watched the Galaxy United match, Lingard was on the bench but as you say, was not used. As I say, he was on the bench but I am not sure if either team named their subs, so if there was any possible intention to give him a bit of a run out we will never know.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cliify0002[/bold] wrote: To be honest , a training ground that has replaced players this season. I really can't see any use having it at the cost of a sub standard team . Most of the desirable players are sorted that leaves the ones with no where to go . I thought I saw progress with the club but it's more a brand now than anything else.[/p][/quote]MOST of the desirable players? There are still loads of players out there either free or purchasable, and there will be more still when the Prem clubs sort out their squads. I have absolutely no doubt that the squad will be competitive by the first game and very competitive by the end of the window (it's ridiculous that they happen in that order, but that's another story) and I promise I will whinge about the club like so many other if that doesn't happen. Interesting that Jesse Lingard was not one of the 22 players Man U used against LA. His time at Old Trafford may be coming to an end.[/p][/quote]I watched the Galaxy United match, Lingard was on the bench but as you say, was not used. As I say, he was on the bench but I am not sure if either team named their subs, so if there was any possible intention to give him a bit of a run out we will never know. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

4:25pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

I was highlighting the need for new players once last season had finished and got thumbs down and criticism for daring to suggest we needed to get cracking on recruiting players ASAP. Here we are near the end of July and even the manager is showing concern at the lack of players especially quality players and the lack of time in which to assemble them. Meanwhile there's Bournemouth and Brentford, to name but two who have had no difficulty in identifying the decent players and simply going out and signing them up, clubs with much smaller incomes than us yet with sufficient funds to out compete us in the transfer market. I feared it would turn out like this and so it is proving to be. There seems to be a negative cloud hanging over the Amex ever since the infamous play off failure against palace and Gus' s walk out and no one seems to know quite how to shift it.
I was highlighting the need for new players once last season had finished and got thumbs down and criticism for daring to suggest we needed to get cracking on recruiting players ASAP. Here we are near the end of July and even the manager is showing concern at the lack of players especially quality players and the lack of time in which to assemble them. Meanwhile there's Bournemouth and Brentford, to name but two who have had no difficulty in identifying the decent players and simply going out and signing them up, clubs with much smaller incomes than us yet with sufficient funds to out compete us in the transfer market. I feared it would turn out like this and so it is proving to be. There seems to be a negative cloud hanging over the Amex ever since the infamous play off failure against palace and Gus' s walk out and no one seems to know quite how to shift it. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -3

4:54pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Conelli98 says...

Lots of people moaning today...are you all the same people that moan that it's now too hot after a winter of rain! Can you see where I'm going with this...careful what you wish for...remember Portsmouth, Charlton , Wolves and Coventry, historically bigger clubs than ours! Tony Bloom is THE biggest Brighton fan and I'm sure he has our clubs best interests at heart. Would you rather be back at the Withdean and not in a state of the art stadium? If and when he is ready to sell up will he stop supporting Brighton?...NO! But he will do it because it's the best thing for the club he loves! Keep the faith...UTA
Lots of people moaning today...are you all the same people that moan that it's now too hot after a winter of rain! Can you see where I'm going with this...careful what you wish for...remember Portsmouth, Charlton , Wolves and Coventry, historically bigger clubs than ours! Tony Bloom is THE biggest Brighton fan and I'm sure he has our clubs best interests at heart. Would you rather be back at the Withdean and not in a state of the art stadium? If and when he is ready to sell up will he stop supporting Brighton?...NO! But he will do it because it's the best thing for the club he loves! Keep the faith...UTA Conelli98
  • Score: 12

5:02pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
I was highlighting the need for new players once last season had finished and got thumbs down and criticism for daring to suggest we needed to get cracking on recruiting players ASAP. Here we are near the end of July and even the manager is showing concern at the lack of players especially quality players and the lack of time in which to assemble them. Meanwhile there's Bournemouth and Brentford, to name but two who have had no difficulty in identifying the decent players and simply going out and signing them up, clubs with much smaller incomes than us yet with sufficient funds to out compete us in the transfer market. I feared it would turn out like this and so it is proving to be. There seems to be a negative cloud hanging over the Amex ever since the infamous play off failure against palace and Gus' s walk out and no one seems to know quite how to shift it.
It's a lot easier finding players that will improve the Brentford squad than will improve ours :-)
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: I was highlighting the need for new players once last season had finished and got thumbs down and criticism for daring to suggest we needed to get cracking on recruiting players ASAP. Here we are near the end of July and even the manager is showing concern at the lack of players especially quality players and the lack of time in which to assemble them. Meanwhile there's Bournemouth and Brentford, to name but two who have had no difficulty in identifying the decent players and simply going out and signing them up, clubs with much smaller incomes than us yet with sufficient funds to out compete us in the transfer market. I feared it would turn out like this and so it is proving to be. There seems to be a negative cloud hanging over the Amex ever since the infamous play off failure against palace and Gus' s walk out and no one seems to know quite how to shift it.[/p][/quote]It's a lot easier finding players that will improve the Brentford squad than will improve ours :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 4

5:11pm Thu 24 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Posted this on the previous thread. More relevant here:

What we're seeing is a completely new dynasty being shaped and at present, no-one, probably not even TB or SH, really knows how it will fully develop.
When Oscar took over last summer he was effectively asked to babysit an established squad. There was a definite feeling of continuity. But during his year, the break up started with Bridcutt's sale and that was followed by a glut of other departures with the end of season cull.
So Hyppia is effectively being asked to start from scratch and at the moment, it's looking like a long, slow haul.
Will we be competitive? Only time will tell, but those who are bizarrely beginning to judge Hyppia already, should (in my view) relax a little.
There are so many unknowns at the moment and one of them is how good he will prove to be as our manager. But at the moment, he may be coming to terms with the reality of how tough a job this is. (How many of us are reading between the lines in this story?)
After the last two seasons, expectation of our club is high but as far as the team is concerned, all we have at present is hope.
It's time for patience, not knee-jerk assessment because we drew a summer run-out.
I agree AIS but I just trust that Burke and his team keep working hard to bring in the players SH wants.
As SH says 'time is running out to get his squad in place for the start of the season'.
Changing topic completely I have just completed a survey for the club regarding one's travel arrangements to the Amex.
Hidden away is a question (No 14) about the Travel Free Zone and what effect it might have on how one would travel to the Amex if it ceased and one had to pay all the travel costs in getting to the ground..
Looks like a potentially bad piece of PR in my view but don't take my word for it see for yourselves if you can - the club emailed it to me as a ST holder.
Someone might want to ask a question about it at the 5 August Forum with TB, PB and SH. Indeed Andy Naylor/The Argus might want to follow up on it. For what it is worth I wrote that the club should not consider scrapping it (the TF Zone) although there was no obvious place to make such a comment as there was for some of the other questions.
Let's hope there is nothing to it.
On the other hand reverting to this thread let's hope Burke delivers the signings that SH wants and needs over the coming days.
UTA.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Posted this on the previous thread. More relevant here: What we're seeing is a completely new dynasty being shaped and at present, no-one, probably not even TB or SH, really knows how it will fully develop. When Oscar took over last summer he was effectively asked to babysit an established squad. There was a definite feeling of continuity. But during his year, the break up started with Bridcutt's sale and that was followed by a glut of other departures with the end of season cull. So Hyppia is effectively being asked to start from scratch and at the moment, it's looking like a long, slow haul. Will we be competitive? Only time will tell, but those who are bizarrely beginning to judge Hyppia already, should (in my view) relax a little. There are so many unknowns at the moment and one of them is how good he will prove to be as our manager. But at the moment, he may be coming to terms with the reality of how tough a job this is. (How many of us are reading between the lines in this story?) After the last two seasons, expectation of our club is high but as far as the team is concerned, all we have at present is hope. It's time for patience, not knee-jerk assessment because we drew a summer run-out.[/p][/quote]I agree AIS but I just trust that Burke and his team keep working hard to bring in the players SH wants. As SH says 'time is running out to get his squad in place for the start of the season'. Changing topic completely I have just completed a survey for the club regarding one's travel arrangements to the Amex. Hidden away is a question (No 14) about the Travel Free Zone and what effect it might have on how one would travel to the Amex if it ceased and one had to pay all the travel costs in getting to the ground.. Looks like a potentially bad piece of PR in my view but don't take my word for it see for yourselves if you can - the club emailed it to me as a ST holder. Someone might want to ask a question about it at the 5 August Forum with TB, PB and SH. Indeed Andy Naylor/The Argus might want to follow up on it. For what it is worth I wrote that the club should not consider scrapping it (the TF Zone) although there was no obvious place to make such a comment as there was for some of the other questions. Let's hope there is nothing to it. On the other hand reverting to this thread let's hope Burke delivers the signings that SH wants and needs over the coming days. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 6

5:25pm Thu 24 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Weploughandmow wrote:
The game last night had all the hallmarks of a early rehearsal of a play - people just wandering around the stage, getting to know their positions, still needing to check the script occasionally. That's the point of a pre-season friendly of course, so I'm pretty relaxed about things. In fact, I shan't even start worrying about anything until day one of the season, by which time all the players will be in situ. Odd that Sami seems to be saying that the suits are doing the recruitment again - I hope he means that they're working on bringing in the people HE'S chosen, not that they're going to foist their choices on him and say "there you go, make something of that little lot".
Let's have no doubt that any players that are due to come in should be in place NOW so that they know their team-mates and how they gel together - we don't want 9 August to be like the 'early rehearsal of a play' but unless something happens rapidly that's exactly what is going to happen and that's only if we actually get anyone in! Hyppia obviously wasn't expecting Ulloa to go when he signed the management forms and as for the suits selecting new signings our new manager wouldn't have heard of COG - let's hope Sami is identifying his own targets and achieves a couple of those signings soon otherwise we will end up with another disillusioned manager!!
The key player in securing signings in my view is Burke.
In simple terms SH identifies what type of players he wants and with Burke determines who (within budget) the club targets. TB gives the go ahead / authorises the expenditure and then it is mainly down to Burke to make it happen. Obviously when bringing in a lot of new players - 2 joined last week and another 5 - 6 are still needed there is much to be done. I appreciate that there has been quite a bit of time in which to do it.
I just wish our Recruitment side was as effective sometimes as PB is in handling the departures
Onwards and Upwards.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Weploughandmow[/bold] wrote: The game last night had all the hallmarks of a early rehearsal of a play - people just wandering around the stage, getting to know their positions, still needing to check the script occasionally. That's the point of a pre-season friendly of course, so I'm pretty relaxed about things. In fact, I shan't even start worrying about anything until day one of the season, by which time all the players will be in situ. Odd that Sami seems to be saying that the suits are doing the recruitment again - I hope he means that they're working on bringing in the people HE'S chosen, not that they're going to foist their choices on him and say "there you go, make something of that little lot".[/p][/quote]Let's have no doubt that any players that are due to come in should be in place NOW so that they know their team-mates and how they gel together - we don't want 9 August to be like the 'early rehearsal of a play' but unless something happens rapidly that's exactly what is going to happen and that's only if we actually get anyone in! Hyppia obviously wasn't expecting Ulloa to go when he signed the management forms and as for the suits selecting new signings our new manager wouldn't have heard of COG - let's hope Sami is identifying his own targets and achieves a couple of those signings soon otherwise we will end up with another disillusioned manager!![/p][/quote]The key player in securing signings in my view is Burke. In simple terms SH identifies what type of players he wants and with Burke determines who (within budget) the club targets. TB gives the go ahead / authorises the expenditure and then it is mainly down to Burke to make it happen. Obviously when bringing in a lot of new players - 2 joined last week and another 5 - 6 are still needed there is much to be done. I appreciate that there has been quite a bit of time in which to do it. I just wish our Recruitment side was as effective sometimes as PB is in handling the departures Onwards and Upwards. ballantrrae
  • Score: 5

5:47pm Thu 24 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

Neville wrote:
The hieracrchy really have to take most of the blame for the fiascos of the past two and half seasons. The recruitment of players has always been retrospective. Started with GP and the influx at the last moment (Dobbie,Hammond etc).player talks breaking down Van Djick.
Same with Oscar,players left and not replaced (Barnes,Bridcutt,ElA

bd etc) ,failed bids and talks breaking down (Conway,Grabban) and inadequate last minute loans, Lita,Obika.
I fully understand the financial situation needs sorting but not to the total detriment of the team, also two managers have gone and how long is Hyypia going to put up with this mismanagement.
You only have to read the fans websites and the Argus, to see that many are getting frustrated with any lack of communication from the club or any new quality signings.
The club never used the budget from last year or the monies from Bridcutt and Barnes to strengthen the squad (Stephens being the only purchase) and now have 8 m from Ulloa sale.
Some money has to be spent but it will be very prudent and whereas we have been a mid table team punching above our weight for the past two seasons this season could well be struggling to achieve mid table.
TB has been fantastic but I fear and its great having the Stadium and Academy but ,as I have said before unless there is a balance and some investment on the playing side then crowds will slowly decrease. Season ticket holders come renewal time will make a choice dependent on how we are doing and a good few will just pick their matches dependent on the opposition.
I have supported the club a good number of years but like many others feel underwhelmed by the recruitment policy and also remember a lot of the backroom staff have also left and not as yet been replaced.
This situation is also putting the manager under unfair pressure and its the hierarchy thats needs sorting TB.
I am not sure that the Management structure has much wrong with it Neville BUT there may well be something pretty wrong with just one aspect of it. Fix that one element and everything will probably be OK.
If this Window goes badly or even indifferently then the club and TB will have to acknowledge there is a problem and deal with it.
Fortunately if we don't meet/obtain our transfer objectives we will still have the Loan route available to us - it would be potentially disastrous if we did not.
An important couple of weeks in prospect.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: The hieracrchy really have to take most of the blame for the fiascos of the past two and half seasons. The recruitment of players has always been retrospective. Started with GP and the influx at the last moment (Dobbie,Hammond etc).player talks breaking down Van Djick. Same with Oscar,players left and not replaced (Barnes,Bridcutt,ElA bd etc) ,failed bids and talks breaking down (Conway,Grabban) and inadequate last minute loans, Lita,Obika. I fully understand the financial situation needs sorting but not to the total detriment of the team, also two managers have gone and how long is Hyypia going to put up with this mismanagement. You only have to read the fans websites and the Argus, to see that many are getting frustrated with any lack of communication from the club or any new quality signings. The club never used the budget from last year or the monies from Bridcutt and Barnes to strengthen the squad (Stephens being the only purchase) and now have 8 m from Ulloa sale. Some money has to be spent but it will be very prudent and whereas we have been a mid table team punching above our weight for the past two seasons this season could well be struggling to achieve mid table. TB has been fantastic but I fear and its great having the Stadium and Academy but ,as I have said before unless there is a balance and some investment on the playing side then crowds will slowly decrease. Season ticket holders come renewal time will make a choice dependent on how we are doing and a good few will just pick their matches dependent on the opposition. I have supported the club a good number of years but like many others feel underwhelmed by the recruitment policy and also remember a lot of the backroom staff have also left and not as yet been replaced. This situation is also putting the manager under unfair pressure and its the hierarchy thats needs sorting TB.[/p][/quote]I am not sure that the Management structure has much wrong with it Neville BUT there may well be something pretty wrong with just one aspect of it. Fix that one element and everything will probably be OK. If this Window goes badly or even indifferently then the club and TB will have to acknowledge there is a problem and deal with it. Fortunately if we don't meet/obtain our transfer objectives we will still have the Loan route available to us - it would be potentially disastrous if we did not. An important couple of weeks in prospect. ballantrrae
  • Score: 9

5:53pm Thu 24 Jul 14

tinker111 says...

sussexram40 wrote:
I think Hyypia will have walked out by Xmas.
And who could blame him HE MADE BAD CALL BEING SOLD A PUP
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: I think Hyypia will have walked out by Xmas.[/p][/quote]And who could blame him HE MADE BAD CALL BEING SOLD A PUP tinker111
  • Score: 2

5:56pm Thu 24 Jul 14

tinker111 says...

ballantrrae wrote:
Neville wrote:
The hieracrchy really have to take most of the blame for the fiascos of the past two and half seasons. The recruitment of players has always been retrospective. Started with GP and the influx at the last moment (Dobbie,Hammond etc).player talks breaking down Van Djick.
Same with Oscar,players left and not replaced (Barnes,Bridcutt,ElA


bd etc) ,failed bids and talks breaking down (Conway,Grabban) and inadequate last minute loans, Lita,Obika.
I fully understand the financial situation needs sorting but not to the total detriment of the team, also two managers have gone and how long is Hyypia going to put up with this mismanagement.
You only have to read the fans websites and the Argus, to see that many are getting frustrated with any lack of communication from the club or any new quality signings.
The club never used the budget from last year or the monies from Bridcutt and Barnes to strengthen the squad (Stephens being the only purchase) and now have 8 m from Ulloa sale.
Some money has to be spent but it will be very prudent and whereas we have been a mid table team punching above our weight for the past two seasons this season could well be struggling to achieve mid table.
TB has been fantastic but I fear and its great having the Stadium and Academy but ,as I have said before unless there is a balance and some investment on the playing side then crowds will slowly decrease. Season ticket holders come renewal time will make a choice dependent on how we are doing and a good few will just pick their matches dependent on the opposition.
I have supported the club a good number of years but like many others feel underwhelmed by the recruitment policy and also remember a lot of the backroom staff have also left and not as yet been replaced.
This situation is also putting the manager under unfair pressure and its the hierarchy thats needs sorting TB.
I am not sure that the Management structure has much wrong with it Neville BUT there may well be something pretty wrong with just one aspect of it. Fix that one element and everything will probably be OK.
If this Window goes badly or even indifferently then the club and TB will have to acknowledge there is a problem and deal with it.
Fortunately if we don't meet/obtain our transfer objectives we will still have the Loan route available to us - it would be potentially disastrous if we did not.
An important couple of weeks in prospect.
The fix it will be BURKE OUT
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: The hieracrchy really have to take most of the blame for the fiascos of the past two and half seasons. The recruitment of players has always been retrospective. Started with GP and the influx at the last moment (Dobbie,Hammond etc).player talks breaking down Van Djick. Same with Oscar,players left and not replaced (Barnes,Bridcutt,ElA bd etc) ,failed bids and talks breaking down (Conway,Grabban) and inadequate last minute loans, Lita,Obika. I fully understand the financial situation needs sorting but not to the total detriment of the team, also two managers have gone and how long is Hyypia going to put up with this mismanagement. You only have to read the fans websites and the Argus, to see that many are getting frustrated with any lack of communication from the club or any new quality signings. The club never used the budget from last year or the monies from Bridcutt and Barnes to strengthen the squad (Stephens being the only purchase) and now have 8 m from Ulloa sale. Some money has to be spent but it will be very prudent and whereas we have been a mid table team punching above our weight for the past two seasons this season could well be struggling to achieve mid table. TB has been fantastic but I fear and its great having the Stadium and Academy but ,as I have said before unless there is a balance and some investment on the playing side then crowds will slowly decrease. Season ticket holders come renewal time will make a choice dependent on how we are doing and a good few will just pick their matches dependent on the opposition. I have supported the club a good number of years but like many others feel underwhelmed by the recruitment policy and also remember a lot of the backroom staff have also left and not as yet been replaced. This situation is also putting the manager under unfair pressure and its the hierarchy thats needs sorting TB.[/p][/quote]I am not sure that the Management structure has much wrong with it Neville BUT there may well be something pretty wrong with just one aspect of it. Fix that one element and everything will probably be OK. If this Window goes badly or even indifferently then the club and TB will have to acknowledge there is a problem and deal with it. Fortunately if we don't meet/obtain our transfer objectives we will still have the Loan route available to us - it would be potentially disastrous if we did not. An important couple of weeks in prospect.[/p][/quote]The fix it will be BURKE OUT tinker111
  • Score: 4

6:13pm Thu 24 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

This article is worth a second read, I think it says more than one might think at first reading.

Hyypia tells us that Burke and Bloom are working hard behind the scenes to bring players in. He goes on to say, 'we,' are working hard to bring players in and when it happens is not ony up to him. He also reiterates the fact that the, 'Chairman and David Burke,' are working hard to bring new faces in. Sami makes it very clear that Leo needs replacing.

This might sound daft but, could it be that one or more players have been identified for possible signing but Bloom and Burke also know that one or more, 'better,' options might be in the wings. I say this for no other reason than the comment Sami made about, 'when it happens is not only up to him.'
It just moght be that there is a player/players that we could sign today but Bloom might be holding out to get a yes or no either on a better player/players on loan, or perhaps better purchases, hence the delays.

We didn't rush in to snap up players on a free when Sami joined us, and we could have, the preference was to let Hyypia evaluate what he had and identify the type of target he wanted, type if not an actual player by name. If the aim was to tread slowly and ensure that we get the right player rather than just any player, then I doubt that it would be wise to change that approach now.

It might be frustrating for Hyypia and the fans not to see a bunch of new guys arrive, but if working right up to the last day of the window allows us to get the right players, will we not be better off in the long run?
This article is worth a second read, I think it says more than one might think at first reading. Hyypia tells us that Burke and Bloom are working hard behind the scenes to bring players in. He goes on to say, 'we,' are working hard to bring players in and when it happens is not ony up to him. He also reiterates the fact that the, 'Chairman and David Burke,' are working hard to bring new faces in. Sami makes it very clear that Leo needs replacing. This might sound daft but, could it be that one or more players have been identified for possible signing but Bloom and Burke also know that one or more, 'better,' options might be in the wings. I say this for no other reason than the comment Sami made about, 'when it happens is not only up to him.' It just moght be that there is a player/players that we could sign today but Bloom might be holding out to get a yes or no either on a better player/players on loan, or perhaps better purchases, hence the delays. We didn't rush in to snap up players on a free when Sami joined us, and we could have, the preference was to let Hyypia evaluate what he had and identify the type of target he wanted, type if not an actual player by name. If the aim was to tread slowly and ensure that we get the right player rather than just any player, then I doubt that it would be wise to change that approach now. It might be frustrating for Hyypia and the fans not to see a bunch of new guys arrive, but if working right up to the last day of the window allows us to get the right players, will we not be better off in the long run? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 10

6:27pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Claude Back says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
I also remember when the great combination of Tony's grandad, Harry and Mike Bamber went out and persuaded the biggest, hottest managerial team on the planet at the time to come to our little old Third Division team struggling to avoid relegation. Nobody could believe it. Clough and Taylor at Brighton! You can't be serious some said. But here they were as bold as brass and Harry Bloom played a massive part in supporting Bamber to get them.

That's the kind of energy I think is needed now. Gives the whole place and supporters a lift.
Very true.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: I also remember when the great combination of Tony's grandad, Harry and Mike Bamber went out and persuaded the biggest, hottest managerial team on the planet at the time to come to our little old Third Division team struggling to avoid relegation. Nobody could believe it. Clough and Taylor at Brighton! You can't be serious some said. But here they were as bold as brass and Harry Bloom played a massive part in supporting Bamber to get them. That's the kind of energy I think is needed now. Gives the whole place and supporters a lift.[/p][/quote]Very true. Claude Back
  • Score: 6

6:34pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Neville says...

I am led to believe there is good chance of three players arriving this week,thumbs down next Monday if it hasn,t happened by then.
I am led to believe there is good chance of three players arriving this week,thumbs down next Monday if it hasn,t happened by then. Neville
  • Score: 7

6:46pm Thu 24 Jul 14

The lev says...

It's not all bad news. We have a poor playing squad I agree , we will be mid table at best, crowds will half over the next 12 months , however the good news is there will be no 30 minute q for the train after the match. UTA.
It's not all bad news. We have a poor playing squad I agree , we will be mid table at best, crowds will half over the next 12 months , however the good news is there will be no 30 minute q for the train after the match. UTA. The lev
  • Score: -2

6:57pm Thu 24 Jul 14

sussexram40 says...

The lev wrote:
It's not all bad news. We have a poor playing squad I agree , we will be mid table at best, crowds will half over the next 12 months , however the good news is there will be no 30 minute q for the train after the match. UTA.
True. And they won't run out of pies. Oh well.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]The lev[/bold] wrote: It's not all bad news. We have a poor playing squad I agree , we will be mid table at best, crowds will half over the next 12 months , however the good news is there will be no 30 minute q for the train after the match. UTA.[/p][/quote]True. And they won't run out of pies. Oh well. UTA sussexram40
  • Score: -5

6:57pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Jaguar_uk says...

All the time Burke is around we are not going to sign nobody of any calibre, can anybody point me in the direction of a signing we made since he became director of football that was actually any good?
Sack him and let the manager recruit players.
All the time Burke is around we are not going to sign nobody of any calibre, can anybody point me in the direction of a signing we made since he became director of football that was actually any good? Sack him and let the manager recruit players. Jaguar_uk
  • Score: -4

7:02pm Thu 24 Jul 14

pjwilk says...

The lev wrote:
It's not all bad news. We have a poor playing squad I agree , we will be mid table at best, crowds will half over the next 12 months , however the good news is there will be no 30 minute q for the train after the match. UTA.
Ha Ha i like it,sad but true.We are not entering the new season with much hope.Very depressing.
[quote][p][bold]The lev[/bold] wrote: It's not all bad news. We have a poor playing squad I agree , we will be mid table at best, crowds will half over the next 12 months , however the good news is there will be no 30 minute q for the train after the match. UTA.[/p][/quote]Ha Ha i like it,sad but true.We are not entering the new season with much hope.Very depressing. pjwilk
  • Score: 0

7:09pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Neville wrote:
I am led to believe there is good chance of three players arriving this week,thumbs down next Monday if it hasn,t happened by then.
Fingers crossed.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: I am led to believe there is good chance of three players arriving this week,thumbs down next Monday if it hasn,t happened by then.[/p][/quote]Fingers crossed. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 7

7:10pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Jaguar_uk wrote:
All the time Burke is around we are not going to sign nobody of any calibre, can anybody point me in the direction of a signing we made since he became director of football that was actually any good?
Sack him and let the manager recruit players.
Ulloa. He was half decent, if my memory serves.
[quote][p][bold]Jaguar_uk[/bold] wrote: All the time Burke is around we are not going to sign nobody of any calibre, can anybody point me in the direction of a signing we made since he became director of football that was actually any good? Sack him and let the manager recruit players.[/p][/quote]Ulloa. He was half decent, if my memory serves. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 9

7:35pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

I am getting vibes that tell me that our CEO is falling out of favour the involvement of TB a bit more of late is no coincidence.
I am getting vibes that tell me that our CEO is falling out of favour the involvement of TB a bit more of late is no coincidence. Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: 0

8:00pm Thu 24 Jul 14

ringtone says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Jaguar_uk wrote:
All the time Burke is around we are not going to sign nobody of any calibre, can anybody point me in the direction of a signing we made since he became director of football that was actually any good?
Sack him and let the manager recruit players.
Ulloa. He was half decent, if my memory serves.
Think you will find it was Gus Poyet.

Nice try ex pat barber
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jaguar_uk[/bold] wrote: All the time Burke is around we are not going to sign nobody of any calibre, can anybody point me in the direction of a signing we made since he became director of football that was actually any good? Sack him and let the manager recruit players.[/p][/quote]Ulloa. He was half decent, if my memory serves.[/p][/quote]Think you will find it was Gus Poyet. Nice try ex pat barber ringtone
  • Score: -2

8:01pm Thu 24 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
Peteinblack wrote:
We are going backwards - this year, we have sold Bridcutt, Barnes and Ulloa, and not replaced any of them.
Several players seem to have turned us down in favour of signing for our rivals - yes, I know that other clubs are prepared to pay higher salaries than us, but it also suggests that 'the Amex factor' is no longer an attraction.
The reviews of last night's friendly against Crawley suggest the same old same old - sideway passing, disinterested players with no passion or energy, one lone striker up-front, and a complete lack of quality I the final third of the pitch. Have we learned nothing from last season?
I reckon mid-table mediocrity beckons this season - rarely in 30 years supporting the Albion have I felt as underwhelmed or unexcited about the new season.
I don't share your pessimism to any great degree. We've replaced Barnes with COG and Bridcutt with Nzuzi, while Ulloa has only just been (reluctantly) sold so those criticisms are wide of the mark.

Where we have failed to replace players is GK and LB plus another CB / M.
This part is far from ideal and I don't know why specifically it's taken so long but if we recruit the necessary numbers (GK, LB and creative midfield especially) this week, there'll be no major concern at this stage of Hyypia's reign.
Much is made of the fact that we will only bring in players who will improve the squad.....so, is COG better than Barnes? Is Stephens/Nzuzi better than Bridcutt? Is Hughes better than Upson? Who will replace Ulloa? Why are we in a "race" for signings? We've known for months that we need to strengthen. I'm getting tired of the excuses - World Cup, new manager etc - plenty of other clubs have been rebuilding over the Summer - having watched last nights game, we need some quality in every department , which means spending at least £5m - we have the money, no more excuses, let's see the influx the chairman promised weeks ago.
AD I see your point which is well made but I think there is a difference between replacing players who have left and getting new players in to strengthen the squad.
Yes I agree that we only want to recruit players who are better than the existing ones but for example in order to replace Bridcutt once he had gone it was necessary to bring in a player of ability but perhaps not greater talent than Liam - enter Toko in May. Stephens actually was brought in because of the injury to Crofts of course but they are not mutually exclusive and in any event I think Stephens (the younger player) is a talent in his own right.
Actually the main issue many posters have is that the club is being slow to sign new players full stop.
I can understand and to an extent share their concern especially in those areas where we appear weak or have holes eg GK, LB, Striker and a creative midfielder. (incidentally Walton seems to have played well last night).
Whilst I also agree with a number of posters that we shouldn't panic nor do I feel we should be in any way complacent. Ideally we want a settled squad. Equally in a perfect scenario we would like any new signings to have joined before the season starts. Unfortunately we don't look like meeting either of these objectives in the immediate future and that is what seems to be worrying fans.
It may well be of concern to SH as well and I wouldn't blame him if it was. Hyypia has consistently said that he wants players signed sooner rather than later with I believe good reason - the squad is going through a significant period of change not just in terms of personnel but also Manager/Coach and playing strategy.
It may just be if the Head of Football and his team can't provide SH with the support that he needs and don't deliver the players he wants that they will have to go. I saw a rumour ( and I wouldn't want to give any real credence to it) that SH has voiced his disquiet regarding the lack of signings to TB. I doubt he has yet but at some stage he might.
Hopefully in the next few days we will see significant movement into the club of the type and quality of player the Albion requires.
UTA.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peteinblack[/bold] wrote: We are going backwards - this year, we have sold Bridcutt, Barnes and Ulloa, and not replaced any of them. Several players seem to have turned us down in favour of signing for our rivals - yes, I know that other clubs are prepared to pay higher salaries than us, but it also suggests that 'the Amex factor' is no longer an attraction. The reviews of last night's friendly against Crawley suggest the same old same old - sideway passing, disinterested players with no passion or energy, one lone striker up-front, and a complete lack of quality I the final third of the pitch. Have we learned nothing from last season? I reckon mid-table mediocrity beckons this season - rarely in 30 years supporting the Albion have I felt as underwhelmed or unexcited about the new season.[/p][/quote]I don't share your pessimism to any great degree. We've replaced Barnes with COG and Bridcutt with Nzuzi, while Ulloa has only just been (reluctantly) sold so those criticisms are wide of the mark. Where we have failed to replace players is GK and LB plus another CB / M. This part is far from ideal and I don't know why specifically it's taken so long but if we recruit the necessary numbers (GK, LB and creative midfield especially) this week, there'll be no major concern at this stage of Hyypia's reign.[/p][/quote]Much is made of the fact that we will only bring in players who will improve the squad.....so, is COG better than Barnes? Is Stephens/Nzuzi better than Bridcutt? Is Hughes better than Upson? Who will replace Ulloa? Why are we in a "race" for signings? We've known for months that we need to strengthen. I'm getting tired of the excuses - World Cup, new manager etc - plenty of other clubs have been rebuilding over the Summer - having watched last nights game, we need some quality in every department , which means spending at least £5m - we have the money, no more excuses, let's see the influx the chairman promised weeks ago.[/p][/quote]AD I see your point which is well made but I think there is a difference between replacing players who have left and getting new players in to strengthen the squad. Yes I agree that we only want to recruit players who are better than the existing ones but for example in order to replace Bridcutt once he had gone it was necessary to bring in a player of ability but perhaps not greater talent than Liam - enter Toko in May. Stephens actually was brought in because of the injury to Crofts of course but they are not mutually exclusive and in any event I think Stephens (the younger player) is a talent in his own right. Actually the main issue many posters have is that the club is being slow to sign new players full stop. I can understand and to an extent share their concern especially in those areas where we appear weak or have holes eg GK, LB, Striker and a creative midfielder. (incidentally Walton seems to have played well last night). Whilst I also agree with a number of posters that we shouldn't panic nor do I feel we should be in any way complacent. Ideally we want a settled squad. Equally in a perfect scenario we would like any new signings to have joined before the season starts. Unfortunately we don't look like meeting either of these objectives in the immediate future and that is what seems to be worrying fans. It may well be of concern to SH as well and I wouldn't blame him if it was. Hyypia has consistently said that he wants players signed sooner rather than later with I believe good reason - the squad is going through a significant period of change not just in terms of personnel but also Manager/Coach and playing strategy. It may just be if the Head of Football and his team can't provide SH with the support that he needs and don't deliver the players he wants that they will have to go. I saw a rumour ( and I wouldn't want to give any real credence to it) that SH has voiced his disquiet regarding the lack of signings to TB. I doubt he has yet but at some stage he might. Hopefully in the next few days we will see significant movement into the club of the type and quality of player the Albion requires. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 5

8:05pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Lots of people moaning today...are you all the same people that moan that it's now too hot after a winter of rain! Can you see where I'm going with this...careful what you wish for...remember Portsmouth, Charlton , Wolves and Coventry, historically bigger clubs than ours! Tony Bloom is THE biggest Brighton fan and I'm sure he has our clubs best interests at heart. Would you rather be back at the Withdean and not in a state of the art stadium? If and when he is ready to sell up will he stop supporting Brighton?...NO! But he will do it because it's the best thing for the club he loves! Keep the faith...UTA
I'd rather be back at the goldstone to be honest.
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Lots of people moaning today...are you all the same people that moan that it's now too hot after a winter of rain! Can you see where I'm going with this...careful what you wish for...remember Portsmouth, Charlton , Wolves and Coventry, historically bigger clubs than ours! Tony Bloom is THE biggest Brighton fan and I'm sure he has our clubs best interests at heart. Would you rather be back at the Withdean and not in a state of the art stadium? If and when he is ready to sell up will he stop supporting Brighton?...NO! But he will do it because it's the best thing for the club he loves! Keep the faith...UTA[/p][/quote]I'd rather be back at the goldstone to be honest. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: 0

8:18pm Thu 24 Jul 14

seagull52 says...

If you ever get bored moaning about our team, try going on Sunderland Echo site and click on the Sunderland fc news. The comments from their readers about their backroom/management team, Gus's frustration about lack of signings, etc. it's just the same. I often go on other teams local newspapers sites. They are all the same, no one seems to think enough signings have been made! Maybe football supporters are not happy unless they've gong something to moan about/someone to blame?.
If you ever get bored moaning about our team, try going on Sunderland Echo site and click on the Sunderland fc news. The comments from their readers about their backroom/management team, Gus's frustration about lack of signings, etc. it's just the same. I often go on other teams local newspapers sites. They are all the same, no one seems to think enough signings have been made! Maybe football supporters are not happy unless they've gong something to moan about/someone to blame?. seagull52
  • Score: 3

8:21pm Thu 24 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
This article is worth a second read, I think it says more than one might think at first reading.

Hyypia tells us that Burke and Bloom are working hard behind the scenes to bring players in. He goes on to say, 'we,' are working hard to bring players in and when it happens is not ony up to him. He also reiterates the fact that the, 'Chairman and David Burke,' are working hard to bring new faces in. Sami makes it very clear that Leo needs replacing.

This might sound daft but, could it be that one or more players have been identified for possible signing but Bloom and Burke also know that one or more, 'better,' options might be in the wings. I say this for no other reason than the comment Sami made about, 'when it happens is not only up to him.'
It just moght be that there is a player/players that we could sign today but Bloom might be holding out to get a yes or no either on a better player/players on loan, or perhaps better purchases, hence the delays.

We didn't rush in to snap up players on a free when Sami joined us, and we could have, the preference was to let Hyypia evaluate what he had and identify the type of target he wanted, type if not an actual player by name. If the aim was to tread slowly and ensure that we get the right player rather than just any player, then I doubt that it would be wise to change that approach now.

It might be frustrating for Hyypia and the fans not to see a bunch of new guys arrive, but if working right up to the last day of the window allows us to get the right players, will we not be better off in the long run?
Interesting points Vegas although I wouldn't be that happy and I am not sure Hyypia would if don' acquire many new players before 1 September.
By the way I responded to one of your posts as part of our discussion on the O'Grady will make it thread this morning Vegas.
I notice that Neville has heard that 3 layers should be signing this week - delighted f that happens. This seems to support the rumour hat Captain Haddock posted yesterday that a couple of permanent signings should be finalised this week.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: This article is worth a second read, I think it says more than one might think at first reading. Hyypia tells us that Burke and Bloom are working hard behind the scenes to bring players in. He goes on to say, 'we,' are working hard to bring players in and when it happens is not ony up to him. He also reiterates the fact that the, 'Chairman and David Burke,' are working hard to bring new faces in. Sami makes it very clear that Leo needs replacing. This might sound daft but, could it be that one or more players have been identified for possible signing but Bloom and Burke also know that one or more, 'better,' options might be in the wings. I say this for no other reason than the comment Sami made about, 'when it happens is not only up to him.' It just moght be that there is a player/players that we could sign today but Bloom might be holding out to get a yes or no either on a better player/players on loan, or perhaps better purchases, hence the delays. We didn't rush in to snap up players on a free when Sami joined us, and we could have, the preference was to let Hyypia evaluate what he had and identify the type of target he wanted, type if not an actual player by name. If the aim was to tread slowly and ensure that we get the right player rather than just any player, then I doubt that it would be wise to change that approach now. It might be frustrating for Hyypia and the fans not to see a bunch of new guys arrive, but if working right up to the last day of the window allows us to get the right players, will we not be better off in the long run?[/p][/quote]Interesting points Vegas although I wouldn't be that happy and I am not sure Hyypia would if don' acquire many new players before 1 September. By the way I responded to one of your posts as part of our discussion on the O'Grady will make it thread this morning Vegas. I notice that Neville has heard that 3 layers should be signing this week - delighted f that happens. This seems to support the rumour hat Captain Haddock posted yesterday that a couple of permanent signings should be finalised this week. ballantrrae
  • Score: 4

8:31pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
I was highlighting the need for new players once last season had finished and got thumbs down and criticism for daring to suggest we needed to get cracking on recruiting players ASAP. Here we are near the end of July and even the manager is showing concern at the lack of players especially quality players and the lack of time in which to assemble them. Meanwhile there's Bournemouth and Brentford, to name but two who have had no difficulty in identifying the decent players and simply going out and signing them up, clubs with much smaller incomes than us yet with sufficient funds to out compete us in the transfer market. I feared it would turn out like this and so it is proving to be. There seems to be a negative cloud hanging over the Amex ever since the infamous play off failure against palace and Gus' s walk out and no one seems to know quite how to shift it.
How to shift the negative cloud you say? Easy: ask him to float away, so, Mayfield, would you be so kind? There's a good chap.
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: I was highlighting the need for new players once last season had finished and got thumbs down and criticism for daring to suggest we needed to get cracking on recruiting players ASAP. Here we are near the end of July and even the manager is showing concern at the lack of players especially quality players and the lack of time in which to assemble them. Meanwhile there's Bournemouth and Brentford, to name but two who have had no difficulty in identifying the decent players and simply going out and signing them up, clubs with much smaller incomes than us yet with sufficient funds to out compete us in the transfer market. I feared it would turn out like this and so it is proving to be. There seems to be a negative cloud hanging over the Amex ever since the infamous play off failure against palace and Gus' s walk out and no one seems to know quite how to shift it.[/p][/quote]How to shift the negative cloud you say? Easy: ask him to float away, so, Mayfield, would you be so kind? There's a good chap. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 7

8:35pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Falmer Wizard says...

It is now quite clear why it took so long to appoint a manager once our finances were explained few were impressed and possibly only short term
applicants made the final stage.
It is now quite clear why it took so long to appoint a manager once our finances were explained few were impressed and possibly only short term applicants made the final stage. Falmer Wizard
  • Score: -4

8:52pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

ringtone wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Jaguar_uk wrote:
All the time Burke is around we are not going to sign nobody of any calibre, can anybody point me in the direction of a signing we made since he became director of football that was actually any good?
Sack him and let the manager recruit players.
Ulloa. He was half decent, if my memory serves.
Think you will find it was Gus Poyet.

Nice try ex pat barber
He didn't ask who was most involved in signing the player (we have no idea who was in this instance) - he asked if we had signed any good players since Burke joined the club. We signed Ulloa. Very poor try, Ringloaders.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jaguar_uk[/bold] wrote: All the time Burke is around we are not going to sign nobody of any calibre, can anybody point me in the direction of a signing we made since he became director of football that was actually any good? Sack him and let the manager recruit players.[/p][/quote]Ulloa. He was half decent, if my memory serves.[/p][/quote]Think you will find it was Gus Poyet. Nice try ex pat barber[/p][/quote]He didn't ask who was most involved in signing the player (we have no idea who was in this instance) - he asked if we had signed any good players since Burke joined the club. We signed Ulloa. Very poor try, Ringloaders. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -2

8:55pm Thu 24 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

To those suggesting that two, possibly three, players will arrive by the end of this week could well be correct, Stockdale and Ward are two that should not be too hard to finalise. What would be really impressive is if two decent players arrived and neither of them were Ward or Stockdale, that would be two signed and two more still in the offering.

The biggest task for Burke and Bloom is of course the striker we need, possibly strikers, I still think that this position will be filled by a loanee and may not occur until after our season has begun. As much as we want Ulloa replaced we could get thru the first two or three matches with CMS and OGrady as our two main front men, hold back on loaning out Fenelon, if indeed we plan to loan him out. Solly, Kaz, Buckley and JFC are all capable of popping in a goal for us, as are Stephens and Crofts. I just don't see the need to shell out 3M on a striker and pay him max wages if we can borrow a striker of note and subsidise his wages with our max wage payout.
To those suggesting that two, possibly three, players will arrive by the end of this week could well be correct, Stockdale and Ward are two that should not be too hard to finalise. What would be really impressive is if two decent players arrived and neither of them were Ward or Stockdale, that would be two signed and two more still in the offering. The biggest task for Burke and Bloom is of course the striker we need, possibly strikers, I still think that this position will be filled by a loanee and may not occur until after our season has begun. As much as we want Ulloa replaced we could get thru the first two or three matches with CMS and OGrady as our two main front men, hold back on loaning out Fenelon, if indeed we plan to loan him out. Solly, Kaz, Buckley and JFC are all capable of popping in a goal for us, as are Stephens and Crofts. I just don't see the need to shell out 3M on a striker and pay him max wages if we can borrow a striker of note and subsidise his wages with our max wage payout. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

9:10pm Thu 24 Jul 14

ringtone says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Lots of people moaning today...are you all the same people that moan that it's now too hot after a winter of rain! Can you see where I'm going with this...careful what you wish for...remember Portsmouth, Charlton , Wolves and Coventry, historically bigger clubs than ours! Tony Bloom is THE biggest Brighton fan and I'm sure he has our clubs best interests at heart. Would you rather be back at the Withdean and not in a state of the art stadium? If and when he is ready to sell up will he stop supporting Brighton?...NO! But he will do it because it's the best thing for the club he loves! Keep the faith...UTA
I'd rather be back at the goldstone to be honest.
He maybe the shortest.
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Lots of people moaning today...are you all the same people that moan that it's now too hot after a winter of rain! Can you see where I'm going with this...careful what you wish for...remember Portsmouth, Charlton , Wolves and Coventry, historically bigger clubs than ours! Tony Bloom is THE biggest Brighton fan and I'm sure he has our clubs best interests at heart. Would you rather be back at the Withdean and not in a state of the art stadium? If and when he is ready to sell up will he stop supporting Brighton?...NO! But he will do it because it's the best thing for the club he loves! Keep the faith...UTA[/p][/quote]I'd rather be back at the goldstone to be honest.[/p][/quote]He maybe the shortest. ringtone
  • Score: -1

9:15pm Thu 24 Jul 14

ringtone says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
ringtone wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Jaguar_uk wrote:
All the time Burke is around we are not going to sign nobody of any calibre, can anybody point me in the direction of a signing we made since he became director of football that was actually any good?
Sack him and let the manager recruit players.
Ulloa. He was half decent, if my memory serves.
Think you will find it was Gus Poyet.

Nice try ex pat barber
He didn't ask who was most involved in signing the player (we have no idea who was in this instance) - he asked if we had signed any good players since Burke joined the club. We signed Ulloa. Very poor try, Ringloaders.
Good one.

How about you tell us all your feelings about the club so we can really get to know you.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jaguar_uk[/bold] wrote: All the time Burke is around we are not going to sign nobody of any calibre, can anybody point me in the direction of a signing we made since he became director of football that was actually any good? Sack him and let the manager recruit players.[/p][/quote]Ulloa. He was half decent, if my memory serves.[/p][/quote]Think you will find it was Gus Poyet. Nice try ex pat barber[/p][/quote]He didn't ask who was most involved in signing the player (we have no idea who was in this instance) - he asked if we had signed any good players since Burke joined the club. We signed Ulloa. Very poor try, Ringloaders.[/p][/quote]Good one. How about you tell us all your feelings about the club so we can really get to know you. ringtone
  • Score: -5

9:32pm Thu 24 Jul 14

brightonfan34 says...

i bet we wont spend any money and get in 3 or loan signings
i bet we wont spend any money and get in 3 or loan signings brightonfan34
  • Score: -5

9:36pm Thu 24 Jul 14

brightonfan34 says...

brightonfan34 wrote:
i bet we wont spend any money and get in 3 or loan signings
this is getting boring now and we are getting left behind all the other teams who are signings players so mr bloom needs to pull his finger out and start signing players or we will struggle to get anywhere near the top 10
[quote][p][bold]brightonfan34[/bold] wrote: i bet we wont spend any money and get in 3 or loan signings[/p][/quote]this is getting boring now and we are getting left behind all the other teams who are signings players so mr bloom needs to pull his finger out and start signing players or we will struggle to get anywhere near the top 10 brightonfan34
  • Score: -5

10:15pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Quiterie says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
To those suggesting that two, possibly three, players will arrive by the end of this week could well be correct, Stockdale and Ward are two that should not be too hard to finalise. What would be really impressive is if two decent players arrived and neither of them were Ward or Stockdale, that would be two signed and two more still in the offering.

The biggest task for Burke and Bloom is of course the striker we need, possibly strikers, I still think that this position will be filled by a loanee and may not occur until after our season has begun. As much as we want Ulloa replaced we could get thru the first two or three matches with CMS and OGrady as our two main front men, hold back on loaning out Fenelon, if indeed we plan to loan him out. Solly, Kaz, Buckley and JFC are all capable of popping in a goal for us, as are Stephens and Crofts. I just don't see the need to shell out 3M on a striker and pay him max wages if we can borrow a striker of note and subsidise his wages with our max wage payout.
The thing is teams don't tend to loan out decent strikers at the start of the season. They'd prefer to see how their own squad beds down first. I'd still like to see a £3m/£4m bid for Britt Assombalonga from Peterborough. Top scorer in League 1 last season. Same nationality as Lua Lua and Nzuzi Toko. Peterborough tend to sell if the bid is large enough.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To those suggesting that two, possibly three, players will arrive by the end of this week could well be correct, Stockdale and Ward are two that should not be too hard to finalise. What would be really impressive is if two decent players arrived and neither of them were Ward or Stockdale, that would be two signed and two more still in the offering. The biggest task for Burke and Bloom is of course the striker we need, possibly strikers, I still think that this position will be filled by a loanee and may not occur until after our season has begun. As much as we want Ulloa replaced we could get thru the first two or three matches with CMS and OGrady as our two main front men, hold back on loaning out Fenelon, if indeed we plan to loan him out. Solly, Kaz, Buckley and JFC are all capable of popping in a goal for us, as are Stephens and Crofts. I just don't see the need to shell out 3M on a striker and pay him max wages if we can borrow a striker of note and subsidise his wages with our max wage payout.[/p][/quote]The thing is teams don't tend to loan out decent strikers at the start of the season. They'd prefer to see how their own squad beds down first. I'd still like to see a £3m/£4m bid for Britt Assombalonga from Peterborough. Top scorer in League 1 last season. Same nationality as Lua Lua and Nzuzi Toko. Peterborough tend to sell if the bid is large enough. Quiterie
  • Score: 3

10:58pm Thu 24 Jul 14

pte says...

Sami says Burke and Tony are beavering away trying to sign players. If Tony is involved then that means the club are serious about making some decent signings. Or it could be Sami is including Tony in the process to put him under subtle pressure so he can't hide behind Burke if no signings are made.

But I fancy with 8m in, Tony will see the light and sanction one major signing of a few million and a couple of the usual freebies.

Re Stockdale, if the Fulham manager was asked if he was bothered about selling a player to a rival club then maybe the questioner knows this is a problem regardless of what the manager says in public.

Nice that BHA are still considered rivals and contenders in the race. We ain't that far away
Sami says Burke and Tony are beavering away trying to sign players. If Tony is involved then that means the club are serious about making some decent signings. Or it could be Sami is including Tony in the process to put him under subtle pressure so he can't hide behind Burke if no signings are made. But I fancy with 8m in, Tony will see the light and sanction one major signing of a few million and a couple of the usual freebies. Re Stockdale, if the Fulham manager was asked if he was bothered about selling a player to a rival club then maybe the questioner knows this is a problem regardless of what the manager says in public. Nice that BHA are still considered rivals and contenders in the race. We ain't that far away pte
  • Score: 4

1:13am Fri 25 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

Jaguar_uk wrote:
All the time Burke is around we are not going to sign nobody of any calibre, can anybody point me in the direction of a signing we made since he became director of football that was actually any good? Sack him and let the manager recruit players.
Craig Conway, Matt Upson, Stephen Ward, Tomas Kuszczak, Aaron Hughes, Ulloa.
[quote][p][bold]Jaguar_uk[/bold] wrote: All the time Burke is around we are not going to sign nobody of any calibre, can anybody point me in the direction of a signing we made since he became director of football that was actually any good? Sack him and let the manager recruit players.[/p][/quote]Craig Conway, Matt Upson, Stephen Ward, Tomas Kuszczak, Aaron Hughes, Ulloa. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 5

1:15am Fri 25 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
I am getting vibes that tell me that our CEO is falling out of favour the involvement of TB a bit more of late is no coincidence.
I am getting vibes that you've just made that up!
[quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: I am getting vibes that tell me that our CEO is falling out of favour the involvement of TB a bit more of late is no coincidence.[/p][/quote]I am getting vibes that you've just made that up! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 5

1:17am Fri 25 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

ringtone wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Jaguar_uk wrote:
All the time Burke is around we are not going to sign nobody of any calibre, can anybody point me in the direction of a signing we made since he became director of football that was actually any good?
Sack him and let the manager recruit players.
Ulloa. He was half decent, if my memory serves.
Think you will find it was Gus Poyet.

Nice try ex pat barber
Think you will find it was Aranalde....working under Burke.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jaguar_uk[/bold] wrote: All the time Burke is around we are not going to sign nobody of any calibre, can anybody point me in the direction of a signing we made since he became director of football that was actually any good? Sack him and let the manager recruit players.[/p][/quote]Ulloa. He was half decent, if my memory serves.[/p][/quote]Think you will find it was Gus Poyet. Nice try ex pat barber[/p][/quote]Think you will find it was Aranalde....working under Burke. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 5

3:19am Fri 25 Jul 14

mickage says...

Same BS( ****, lies) , different season...the " owners " of B&H A F C are content to cruise along near the top of the division without spending a lot of money...raking in the money from 27,000 punters every week..

Why do you think Poyet left.....?

Because the board's ambitions did not meet his... he is a top pro and will be satisfied with nothing less, ...however, the board of directors ...? not so much so...
Same BS( ****, lies) , different season...the " owners " of B&H A F C are content to cruise along near the top of the division without spending a lot of money...raking in the money from 27,000 punters every week.. Why do you think Poyet left.....? Because the board's ambitions did not meet his... he is a top pro and will be satisfied with nothing less, ...however, the board of directors ...? not so much so... mickage
  • Score: -5

11:35am Fri 25 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mickage wrote:
Same BS( ****, lies) , different season...the " owners " of B&H A F C are content to cruise along near the top of the division without spending a lot of money...raking in the money from 27,000 punters every week..

Why do you think Poyet left.....?

Because the board's ambitions did not meet his... he is a top pro and will be satisfied with nothing less, ...however, the board of directors ...? not so much so...
I read somewhere that the "owner" subsidises every seat to the tune of about £20 per match. If he's raking it in he's got a funny idea of which way the cash should be flowing.
[quote][p][bold]mickage[/bold] wrote: Same BS( ****, lies) , different season...the " owners " of B&H A F C are content to cruise along near the top of the division without spending a lot of money...raking in the money from 27,000 punters every week.. Why do you think Poyet left.....? Because the board's ambitions did not meet his... he is a top pro and will be satisfied with nothing less, ...however, the board of directors ...? not so much so...[/p][/quote]I read somewhere that the "owner" subsidises every seat to the tune of about £20 per match. If he's raking it in he's got a funny idea of which way the cash should be flowing. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

12:00pm Fri 25 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Jaguar_uk wrote:
All the time Burke is around we are not going to sign nobody of any calibre, can anybody point me in the direction of a signing we made since he became director of football that was actually any good? Sack him and let the manager recruit players.
Craig Conway, Matt Upson, Stephen Ward, Tomas Kuszczak, Aaron Hughes, Ulloa.
Good list Captain Haddock to which one could add Bridge !
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jaguar_uk[/bold] wrote: All the time Burke is around we are not going to sign nobody of any calibre, can anybody point me in the direction of a signing we made since he became director of football that was actually any good? Sack him and let the manager recruit players.[/p][/quote]Craig Conway, Matt Upson, Stephen Ward, Tomas Kuszczak, Aaron Hughes, Ulloa.[/p][/quote]Good list Captain Haddock to which one could add Bridge ! ballantrrae
  • Score: 1

12:29pm Fri 25 Jul 14

stonegold says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
I am getting vibes that tell me that our CEO is falling out of favour the involvement of TB a bit more of late is no coincidence.
I am getting vibes that you've just made that up!
Yeah, course - having just secured the largest commercial deals in the history of the Club I'm sure TB is devastated at how little impact PB is having on the ensuring the long term future stability of the Club.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: I am getting vibes that tell me that our CEO is falling out of favour the involvement of TB a bit more of late is no coincidence.[/p][/quote]I am getting vibes that you've just made that up![/p][/quote]Yeah, course - having just secured the largest commercial deals in the history of the Club I'm sure TB is devastated at how little impact PB is having on the ensuring the long term future stability of the Club. stonegold
  • Score: 1

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