Sami admits: Ulloa will be a hard man to replace

Sami Hyypia

Sami Hyypia

First published in Sport by , Chief sports reporter

Albion boss Sami Hyypia fears it will be hard to replace Leo Ulloa.

But he has backed new signing Chris O’Grady to add a physical edge to his attacking options.

The Seagulls go to Peterborough tomorrow (3pm) for their penultimate pre-season friendly with at least one more striker high on Hyypia’s shopping list after Ulloa’s £8 million move to Leicester.

O’Grady’s debut following his £500,000 capture from Barnsley was delayed by a rib injury at Crawley on Wednesday night. Hyypia hopes to have him available tomorrow, together with fellow newcomers Nzuzi Toko and Aaron Hughes who also both missed the 1-1 draw at Crawley with a swollen knee and illness respectively.

Hyypia said of life without Leo: “I think it will be difficult to find a similar kind of player. We would need somebody who scores the goals Leo did last season. That would be a great help for me, of course, and for the whole team.

“We’ll see. I think Chris O’Grady is the type of striker we didn’t have, so that was the idea bringing him in. He brings a physical presence up front. Leo was a little bit similar, a presence up front.

"Hopefully Chris will score many goals for us as well but we need to also have a look at which type of striker we still add to the squad.

“If we have a good selection of different types of players in the front three positions then I think that would be a help for us. It’s not as if I am counting how many strikers I will have.

"The main thing is having a selection of different types of players you can use in different games.”

England under-21 international Solly March is expected to sit out the Peterborough game after a right hip problem forced him off early on at Crawley.

Hyypia said: “He got a knock and when it’s a knock it will be okay in a few days. Solly has done well in pre-season and he has the quality up front. He can bring a lot of things to the team.”

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5:50am Fri 25 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Especially if Sami is hampered in bringing his own choices in !.
Especially if Sami is hampered in bringing his own choices in !. tug509
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6:17am Fri 25 Jul 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

tug509 wrote:
Especially if Sami is hampered in bringing his own choices in !.
Hi Tug. I don't believe for one minute that Sami won't be able to bring in any player(s) he fancies. The only issues would be the same one that surrounds every other signing... are they available?... do they want to come to us?...and of course the big one... how much will they cost in transfer fees and wages? Sami will know full well now what his budget consists of, including any additional money from the sale of Ulloa. The crunch may come if/when he is adamant he wants someone just beyond budget. What flexibility, if any, will be given? Will Barber release a little extra to facilitate our new manager, knowing (probably) that this was a big factor in our parting with the last two? I would suggest that nobody wants to lose another, potentially very good manager, and that to do so under that circumstance would put Burke's job at serious risk and maybe lead to questions over Barber's role too. It's going to be a fascinating run up to the season and the "slamming shut" of that transfer door. Loans will come in, no doubt, but the signings are where the focus is right now.

UTA!!
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Especially if Sami is hampered in bringing his own choices in !.[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. I don't believe for one minute that Sami won't be able to bring in any player(s) he fancies. The only issues would be the same one that surrounds every other signing... are they available?... do they want to come to us?...and of course the big one... how much will they cost in transfer fees and wages? Sami will know full well now what his budget consists of, including any additional money from the sale of Ulloa. The crunch may come if/when he is adamant he wants someone just beyond budget. What flexibility, if any, will be given? Will Barber release a little extra to facilitate our new manager, knowing (probably) that this was a big factor in our parting with the last two? I would suggest that nobody wants to lose another, potentially very good manager, and that to do so under that circumstance would put Burke's job at serious risk and maybe lead to questions over Barber's role too. It's going to be a fascinating run up to the season and the "slamming shut" of that transfer door. Loans will come in, no doubt, but the signings are where the focus is right now. UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 14

6:26am Fri 25 Jul 14

challster says...

I agree, Ulloa leaves a big void for us. However Sami will know whey he wants so let leave the decision of 'experienced' new players to him. If we are to mount another top six campaign we will need players who are experienced and will be seen as mentors of the best calibre for our young talents to learn from and 'play off' .. Strength up front, tall, good at linking up with other strikers eg CMS.. Isn't Peter Crouch available ? Bobby Zamora ? .. Bags of experience in both players if these players have too high a wage bill.. Then someone of similar experience. Lingard of course on a season loan would help, and of course the fella we all want to see back in the fold. S. Ward. These are merely suggestions, but again the ultimate decision should rest with Sami and the option to spend that money made from January and recent sales. FFP aims to halt any risk taking for clubs however in any job you only go places if you are willing to take on board some level of risk. Trust in the Finn? Spend some money and I'm sure we will be aiming for top six at least.
I agree, Ulloa leaves a big void for us. However Sami will know whey he wants so let leave the decision of 'experienced' new players to him. If we are to mount another top six campaign we will need players who are experienced and will be seen as mentors of the best calibre for our young talents to learn from and 'play off' .. Strength up front, tall, good at linking up with other strikers eg CMS.. Isn't Peter Crouch available ? Bobby Zamora ? .. Bags of experience in both players if these players have too high a wage bill.. Then someone of similar experience. Lingard of course on a season loan would help, and of course the fella we all want to see back in the fold. S. Ward. These are merely suggestions, but again the ultimate decision should rest with Sami and the option to spend that money made from January and recent sales. FFP aims to halt any risk taking for clubs however in any job you only go places if you are willing to take on board some level of risk. Trust in the Finn? Spend some money and I'm sure we will be aiming for top six at least. challster
  • Score: 5

6:45am Fri 25 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Hi SSI ,
I have never liked DOFs ,and in Burke I think we have an inflexible one ,I think a manager should be hands on during the whole signing process . If your a player who has been targeted by a manager such as Sami ,the personal touches ,I would imagine can make the difference between signing on the dotted line or choosing the other guy ,but to be passed over to Burke to complete the details might seem impersonal ,and the player might not get the feeling for the club and the set up that Sami would put over ,as they say ,you have to sell the club to the player .

We have heard almost nothing from the backroom staff about ,well anything ,so it understandable that people like myself are worried about signings ,have we missed out on someone because of wage structure or fees ,are we being to frugal with the budget ,so many on here have said ,other teams with similar budgets than us have had no problems with bringing players in ,so why it is so hard for us ,I think it is the way we do things now that we have a DOF ,they interfere too much ,leave it to Sami ,or havn`t we learnt our lesson in the last two seasons . UTA
Hi SSI , I have never liked DOFs ,and in Burke I think we have an inflexible one ,I think a manager should be hands on during the whole signing process . If your a player who has been targeted by a manager such as Sami ,the personal touches ,I would imagine can make the difference between signing on the dotted line or choosing the other guy ,but to be passed over to Burke to complete the details might seem impersonal ,and the player might not get the feeling for the club and the set up that Sami would put over ,as they say ,you have to sell the club to the player . We have heard almost nothing from the backroom staff about ,well anything ,so it understandable that people like myself are worried about signings ,have we missed out on someone because of wage structure or fees ,are we being to frugal with the budget ,so many on here have said ,other teams with similar budgets than us have had no problems with bringing players in ,so why it is so hard for us ,I think it is the way we do things now that we have a DOF ,they interfere too much ,leave it to Sami ,or havn`t we learnt our lesson in the last two seasons . UTA tug509
  • Score: 2

7:06am Fri 25 Jul 14

AlfieT says...

http://news.ladbroke
s.com/en-gb/football
/premier-league/wors
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ning-week-ulloa-leic
ester_205201.html

A little harsh on our erstwhile on our beloved Leo....
http://news.ladbroke s.com/en-gb/football /premier-league/wors t-premier-league-sig ning-week-ulloa-leic ester_205201.html A little harsh on our erstwhile on our beloved Leo.... AlfieT
  • Score: 5

7:29am Fri 25 Jul 14

Mossie707 says...

Nice to hear Sammi talking up Solly. We should see more of him this season then!
Nice to hear Sammi talking up Solly. We should see more of him this season then! Mossie707
  • Score: 5

7:38am Fri 25 Jul 14

daughter-of-manag says...

challster wrote:
I agree, Ulloa leaves a big void for us. However Sami will know whey he wants so let leave the decision of 'experienced' new players to him. If we are to mount another top six campaign we will need players who are experienced and will be seen as mentors of the best calibre for our young talents to learn from and 'play off' .. Strength up front, tall, good at linking up with other strikers eg CMS.. Isn't Peter Crouch available ? Bobby Zamora ? .. Bags of experience in both players if these players have too high a wage bill.. Then someone of similar experience. Lingard of course on a season loan would help, and of course the fella we all want to see back in the fold. S. Ward. These are merely suggestions, but again the ultimate decision should rest with Sami and the option to spend that money made from January and recent sales. FFP aims to halt any risk taking for clubs however in any job you only go places if you are willing to take on board some level of risk. Trust in the Finn? Spend some money and I'm sure we will be aiming for top six at least.
Zamora? Are you serious???? OMG (x500). I mean, let's get Bobby back, and pay him huge wages to sit in the stands injured for 3/4 of the season. Zamora is a legend, but let's keep him that way :)

As for Ward-mania - seriously - he is an above average player; if he was so special, why does no other team appear to want him? Even the boring but steady Andrews was snapped up (BTW very thankful that we didn't bring Andrews back).
[quote][p][bold]challster[/bold] wrote: I agree, Ulloa leaves a big void for us. However Sami will know whey he wants so let leave the decision of 'experienced' new players to him. If we are to mount another top six campaign we will need players who are experienced and will be seen as mentors of the best calibre for our young talents to learn from and 'play off' .. Strength up front, tall, good at linking up with other strikers eg CMS.. Isn't Peter Crouch available ? Bobby Zamora ? .. Bags of experience in both players if these players have too high a wage bill.. Then someone of similar experience. Lingard of course on a season loan would help, and of course the fella we all want to see back in the fold. S. Ward. These are merely suggestions, but again the ultimate decision should rest with Sami and the option to spend that money made from January and recent sales. FFP aims to halt any risk taking for clubs however in any job you only go places if you are willing to take on board some level of risk. Trust in the Finn? Spend some money and I'm sure we will be aiming for top six at least.[/p][/quote]Zamora? Are you serious???? OMG (x500). I mean, let's get Bobby back, and pay him huge wages to sit in the stands injured for 3/4 of the season. Zamora is a legend, but let's keep him that way :) As for Ward-mania - seriously - he is an above average player; if he was so special, why does no other team appear to want him? Even the boring but steady Andrews was snapped up (BTW very thankful that we didn't bring Andrews back). daughter-of-manag
  • Score: 4

7:47am Fri 25 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

AlfieT wrote:
http://news.ladbroke

s.com/en-gb/football

/premier-league/wors

t-premier-league-sig

ning-week-ulloa-leic

ester_205201.html

A little harsh on our erstwhile on our beloved Leo....
He might turn out to be great for them, but on the other hand he is unproven in the premiership, they are taking a massive gamble on him, if it goes Pete tong and they get relegated Pearson going to look a plonker and out off a job, I see there after Troy Deeney as well now!!
Up the Albion!!
[quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: http://news.ladbroke s.com/en-gb/football /premier-league/wors t-premier-league-sig ning-week-ulloa-leic ester_205201.html A little harsh on our erstwhile on our beloved Leo....[/p][/quote]He might turn out to be great for them, but on the other hand he is unproven in the premiership, they are taking a massive gamble on him, if it goes Pete tong and they get relegated Pearson going to look a plonker and out off a job, I see there after Troy Deeney as well now!! Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -3

7:52am Fri 25 Jul 14

arc12 says...

However much I'd like to see Clayton, Becchio, or GM for that matter come in, if we were only prepared to offer Bristol City £300k for Baldock, then I think we have no chance with these sorts of players. I suspect that the loan market may well be the source used to bring in any new additions before August 9th. I fear most of Ulloa's money will be used to keep us in line with FFP this season to offset any likely losses. I would love to be proven wrong.
However much I'd like to see Clayton, Becchio, or GM for that matter come in, if we were only prepared to offer Bristol City £300k for Baldock, then I think we have no chance with these sorts of players. I suspect that the loan market may well be the source used to bring in any new additions before August 9th. I fear most of Ulloa's money will be used to keep us in line with FFP this season to offset any likely losses. I would love to be proven wrong. arc12
  • Score: 4

7:56am Fri 25 Jul 14

tug509 says...

daughter-of-manag wrote:
challster wrote:
I agree, Ulloa leaves a big void for us. However Sami will know whey he wants so let leave the decision of 'experienced' new players to him. If we are to mount another top six campaign we will need players who are experienced and will be seen as mentors of the best calibre for our young talents to learn from and 'play off' .. Strength up front, tall, good at linking up with other strikers eg CMS.. Isn't Peter Crouch available ? Bobby Zamora ? .. Bags of experience in both players if these players have too high a wage bill.. Then someone of similar experience. Lingard of course on a season loan would help, and of course the fella we all want to see back in the fold. S. Ward. These are merely suggestions, but again the ultimate decision should rest with Sami and the option to spend that money made from January and recent sales. FFP aims to halt any risk taking for clubs however in any job you only go places if you are willing to take on board some level of risk. Trust in the Finn? Spend some money and I'm sure we will be aiming for top six at least.
Zamora? Are you serious???? OMG (x500). I mean, let's get Bobby back, and pay him huge wages to sit in the stands injured for 3/4 of the season. Zamora is a legend, but let's keep him that way :)

As for Ward-mania - seriously - he is an above average player; if he was so special, why does no other team appear to want him? Even the boring but steady Andrews was snapped up (BTW very thankful that we didn't bring Andrews back).
Bobby signed a 1 year contract extension at QPR last week .
[quote][p][bold]daughter-of-manag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]challster[/bold] wrote: I agree, Ulloa leaves a big void for us. However Sami will know whey he wants so let leave the decision of 'experienced' new players to him. If we are to mount another top six campaign we will need players who are experienced and will be seen as mentors of the best calibre for our young talents to learn from and 'play off' .. Strength up front, tall, good at linking up with other strikers eg CMS.. Isn't Peter Crouch available ? Bobby Zamora ? .. Bags of experience in both players if these players have too high a wage bill.. Then someone of similar experience. Lingard of course on a season loan would help, and of course the fella we all want to see back in the fold. S. Ward. These are merely suggestions, but again the ultimate decision should rest with Sami and the option to spend that money made from January and recent sales. FFP aims to halt any risk taking for clubs however in any job you only go places if you are willing to take on board some level of risk. Trust in the Finn? Spend some money and I'm sure we will be aiming for top six at least.[/p][/quote]Zamora? Are you serious???? OMG (x500). I mean, let's get Bobby back, and pay him huge wages to sit in the stands injured for 3/4 of the season. Zamora is a legend, but let's keep him that way :) As for Ward-mania - seriously - he is an above average player; if he was so special, why does no other team appear to want him? Even the boring but steady Andrews was snapped up (BTW very thankful that we didn't bring Andrews back).[/p][/quote]Bobby signed a 1 year contract extension at QPR last week . tug509
  • Score: 8

8:18am Fri 25 Jul 14

Kit Napier's Beard says...

Morning, another quiet day at the Amex, are the suits still on holiday?
Morning, another quiet day at the Amex, are the suits still on holiday? Kit Napier's Beard
  • Score: -4

8:36am Fri 25 Jul 14

brightonfan34 says...

Why didn't we have someone already lined up before ulloa went so the argus didn't have to report this story
Why didn't we have someone already lined up before ulloa went so the argus didn't have to report this story brightonfan34
  • Score: 1

9:04am Fri 25 Jul 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

tug509 wrote:
Hi SSI ,
I have never liked DOFs ,and in Burke I think we have an inflexible one ,I think a manager should be hands on during the whole signing process . If your a player who has been targeted by a manager such as Sami ,the personal touches ,I would imagine can make the difference between signing on the dotted line or choosing the other guy ,but to be passed over to Burke to complete the details might seem impersonal ,and the player might not get the feeling for the club and the set up that Sami would put over ,as they say ,you have to sell the club to the player .

We have heard almost nothing from the backroom staff about ,well anything ,so it understandable that people like myself are worried about signings ,have we missed out on someone because of wage structure or fees ,are we being to frugal with the budget ,so many on here have said ,other teams with similar budgets than us have had no problems with bringing players in ,so why it is so hard for us ,I think it is the way we do things now that we have a DOF ,they interfere too much ,leave it to Sami ,or havn`t we learnt our lesson in the last two seasons . UTA
Hi again Tug.

Actually, I'm in full agreement with you about the type of set up I would prefer to see. Like you, I believe that the manager whose neck is on the block for performance of his players, should be the one who not only identifies who he wants in his squad, but also takes full ownership of the process until the player is signed, sealed and delivered. I believe that 'old fashioned' method is by far and away the best system and Liverpool are currently proving that it can be done in this day and age, even at the highest level. I think the DOF role is something of a fad which will one day be dispensed with.

However, at the same time, with all the demands of the manager's role I can also see why, in theory at least, the DOF role has evolved. In theory it should work well to leave the manager to get on with the work of coaching and motivating whilst someone else does the administration. I guess what determines whether or not the DOF role works properly is the relationship between the manager and the DOF, and also the character, footballing knowledge and plain common sense of the DOF.

Have we got the right system in place? I don't know, it's arguable both ways. Have we got the right people in place? Well, I have no doubt in Sami's credentials or his desire to take us as far as possible - which is top flight Prem. Burke? Not so sure - he comes across well, as you would expect a person in his position to do. But is he able to close a sale and bring in the players that the club have identified? Well, his current conversion rate doesn't look great... and that's based only on the players who we believe we know to have been approached.

I do think the system in place can be made to work with the right personnel, but until we start bringing in the players that we want at a more consistent rate I, like you, am not convinced that we have it working the way it should at BHA.

I do think that the clock may be ticking for DOFs in general and that would certainly include ours - they are a very expensive commodity in very tight times. Maybe some time before too long TB and others in his position might just start thinking about making savings in the upper management tier as well as on the pitch. A nice pay rise for Sami for the extra work involved would fade into insignificance against the saving of a DOF's salary and bonuses.

Just my opinion of course, and what do I know, being an ex-pat? (And no, I'm not Arnie in disguise!)
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Hi SSI , I have never liked DOFs ,and in Burke I think we have an inflexible one ,I think a manager should be hands on during the whole signing process . If your a player who has been targeted by a manager such as Sami ,the personal touches ,I would imagine can make the difference between signing on the dotted line or choosing the other guy ,but to be passed over to Burke to complete the details might seem impersonal ,and the player might not get the feeling for the club and the set up that Sami would put over ,as they say ,you have to sell the club to the player . We have heard almost nothing from the backroom staff about ,well anything ,so it understandable that people like myself are worried about signings ,have we missed out on someone because of wage structure or fees ,are we being to frugal with the budget ,so many on here have said ,other teams with similar budgets than us have had no problems with bringing players in ,so why it is so hard for us ,I think it is the way we do things now that we have a DOF ,they interfere too much ,leave it to Sami ,or havn`t we learnt our lesson in the last two seasons . UTA[/p][/quote]Hi again Tug. Actually, I'm in full agreement with you about the type of set up I would prefer to see. Like you, I believe that the manager whose neck is on the block for performance of his players, should be the one who not only identifies who he wants in his squad, but also takes full ownership of the process until the player is signed, sealed and delivered. I believe that 'old fashioned' method is by far and away the best system and Liverpool are currently proving that it can be done in this day and age, even at the highest level. I think the DOF role is something of a fad which will one day be dispensed with. However, at the same time, with all the demands of the manager's role [and I mean Sami here, not a guy in a suit!] I can also see why, in theory at least, the DOF role has evolved. In theory it should work well to leave the manager to get on with the work of coaching and motivating whilst someone else does the administration. I guess what determines whether or not the DOF role works properly is the relationship between the manager and the DOF, and also the character, footballing knowledge and plain common sense of the DOF. Have we got the right system in place? I don't know, it's arguable both ways. Have we got the right people in place? Well, I have no doubt in Sami's credentials or his desire to take us as far as possible - which is top flight Prem. Burke? Not so sure - he comes across well, as you would expect a person in his position to do. But is he able to close a sale and bring in the players that the club have identified? Well, his current conversion rate doesn't look great... and that's based only on the players who we believe we know to have been approached. I do think the system in place can be made to work with the right personnel, but until we start bringing in the players that we want at a more consistent rate I, like you, am not convinced that we have it working the way it should at BHA. I do think that the clock may be ticking for DOFs in general and that would certainly include ours - they are a very expensive commodity in very tight times. Maybe some time before too long TB and others in his position might just start thinking about making savings in the upper management tier as well as on the pitch. A nice pay rise for Sami for the extra work involved would fade into insignificance against the saving of a DOF's salary and bonuses. Just my opinion of course, and what do I know, being an ex-pat? (And no, I'm not Arnie in disguise!) Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 6

9:30am Fri 25 Jul 14

OldGull says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Hi SSI ,
I have never liked DOFs ,and in Burke I think we have an inflexible one ,I think a manager should be hands on during the whole signing process . If your a player who has been targeted by a manager such as Sami ,the personal touches ,I would imagine can make the difference between signing on the dotted line or choosing the other guy ,but to be passed over to Burke to complete the details might seem impersonal ,and the player might not get the feeling for the club and the set up that Sami would put over ,as they say ,you have to sell the club to the player .

We have heard almost nothing from the backroom staff about ,well anything ,so it understandable that people like myself are worried about signings ,have we missed out on someone because of wage structure or fees ,are we being to frugal with the budget ,so many on here have said ,other teams with similar budgets than us have had no problems with bringing players in ,so why it is so hard for us ,I think it is the way we do things now that we have a DOF ,they interfere too much ,leave it to Sami ,or havn`t we learnt our lesson in the last two seasons . UTA
Hi again Tug.

Actually, I'm in full agreement with you about the type of set up I would prefer to see. Like you, I believe that the manager whose neck is on the block for performance of his players, should be the one who not only identifies who he wants in his squad, but also takes full ownership of the process until the player is signed, sealed and delivered. I believe that 'old fashioned' method is by far and away the best system and Liverpool are currently proving that it can be done in this day and age, even at the highest level. I think the DOF role is something of a fad which will one day be dispensed with.

However, at the same time, with all the demands of the manager's role I can also see why, in theory at least, the DOF role has evolved. In theory it should work well to leave the manager to get on with the work of coaching and motivating whilst someone else does the administration. I guess what determines whether or not the DOF role works properly is the relationship between the manager and the DOF, and also the character, footballing knowledge and plain common sense of the DOF.

Have we got the right system in place? I don't know, it's arguable both ways. Have we got the right people in place? Well, I have no doubt in Sami's credentials or his desire to take us as far as possible - which is top flight Prem. Burke? Not so sure - he comes across well, as you would expect a person in his position to do. But is he able to close a sale and bring in the players that the club have identified? Well, his current conversion rate doesn't look great... and that's based only on the players who we believe we know to have been approached.

I do think the system in place can be made to work with the right personnel, but until we start bringing in the players that we want at a more consistent rate I, like you, am not convinced that we have it working the way it should at BHA.

I do think that the clock may be ticking for DOFs in general and that would certainly include ours - they are a very expensive commodity in very tight times. Maybe some time before too long TB and others in his position might just start thinking about making savings in the upper management tier as well as on the pitch. A nice pay rise for Sami for the extra work involved would fade into insignificance against the saving of a DOF's salary and bonuses.

Just my opinion of course, and what do I know, being an ex-pat? (And no, I'm not Arnie in disguise!)
Playing devil's advocate here.
Many people are assuming that DB is the problem because of players we did or did not sign.
As DOF he would have completed the signing of Ulloa once GP had identified him.
He would have completed the deal that brought Ince to the Albion.
He would also have been involved in the loan signings of Bridge & Ward.

So is he the devil incarnate that many on here believe him to be?

From my perspective, I do not know what goes on behind the scenes.
If TB is happy with this set up, that is what counts.

Anyway DB get your finger out and complete the signings SH wants
UTA
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Hi SSI , I have never liked DOFs ,and in Burke I think we have an inflexible one ,I think a manager should be hands on during the whole signing process . If your a player who has been targeted by a manager such as Sami ,the personal touches ,I would imagine can make the difference between signing on the dotted line or choosing the other guy ,but to be passed over to Burke to complete the details might seem impersonal ,and the player might not get the feeling for the club and the set up that Sami would put over ,as they say ,you have to sell the club to the player . We have heard almost nothing from the backroom staff about ,well anything ,so it understandable that people like myself are worried about signings ,have we missed out on someone because of wage structure or fees ,are we being to frugal with the budget ,so many on here have said ,other teams with similar budgets than us have had no problems with bringing players in ,so why it is so hard for us ,I think it is the way we do things now that we have a DOF ,they interfere too much ,leave it to Sami ,or havn`t we learnt our lesson in the last two seasons . UTA[/p][/quote]Hi again Tug. Actually, I'm in full agreement with you about the type of set up I would prefer to see. Like you, I believe that the manager whose neck is on the block for performance of his players, should be the one who not only identifies who he wants in his squad, but also takes full ownership of the process until the player is signed, sealed and delivered. I believe that 'old fashioned' method is by far and away the best system and Liverpool are currently proving that it can be done in this day and age, even at the highest level. I think the DOF role is something of a fad which will one day be dispensed with. However, at the same time, with all the demands of the manager's role [and I mean Sami here, not a guy in a suit!] I can also see why, in theory at least, the DOF role has evolved. In theory it should work well to leave the manager to get on with the work of coaching and motivating whilst someone else does the administration. I guess what determines whether or not the DOF role works properly is the relationship between the manager and the DOF, and also the character, footballing knowledge and plain common sense of the DOF. Have we got the right system in place? I don't know, it's arguable both ways. Have we got the right people in place? Well, I have no doubt in Sami's credentials or his desire to take us as far as possible - which is top flight Prem. Burke? Not so sure - he comes across well, as you would expect a person in his position to do. But is he able to close a sale and bring in the players that the club have identified? Well, his current conversion rate doesn't look great... and that's based only on the players who we believe we know to have been approached. I do think the system in place can be made to work with the right personnel, but until we start bringing in the players that we want at a more consistent rate I, like you, am not convinced that we have it working the way it should at BHA. I do think that the clock may be ticking for DOFs in general and that would certainly include ours - they are a very expensive commodity in very tight times. Maybe some time before too long TB and others in his position might just start thinking about making savings in the upper management tier as well as on the pitch. A nice pay rise for Sami for the extra work involved would fade into insignificance against the saving of a DOF's salary and bonuses. Just my opinion of course, and what do I know, being an ex-pat? (And no, I'm not Arnie in disguise!)[/p][/quote]Playing devil's advocate here. Many people are assuming that DB is the problem because of players we did or did not sign. As DOF he would have completed the signing of Ulloa once GP had identified him. He would have completed the deal that brought Ince to the Albion. He would also have been involved in the loan signings of Bridge & Ward. So is he the devil incarnate that many on here believe him to be? From my perspective, I do not know what goes on behind the scenes. If TB is happy with this set up, that is what counts. Anyway DB get your finger out and complete the signings SH wants UTA OldGull
  • Score: 8

9:50am Fri 25 Jul 14

Max Ripple says...

brightonfan34 wrote:
Why didn't we have someone already lined up before ulloa went so the argus didn't have to report this story
I think you're right on the nail here. We knew for weeks that Leo was almost certainly going. He didn't want to play for us because
1) he could see that there wasn't going to be the investment in the club that he thought we needed to go up to Prem.
2) he wanted Prem football and Leicester were after him
3) with that in mind I believe his head went elsewhere and he just wanted to get away.

The senior management staff (I'll call them that because so many people on here whose opinions I do take note of don't like the term Suits) knew that it was HIGHLY LIKELY that Leicester would come up with the right amount of cash and that we would be in desperate need of a striker of his quality to replace him. And what has happened so far? Diddly Squat. COG looks promising as a replacement for Barnes not Leo.

As for Ward, well I'm beginning to think I'd rather he didn't come back if he is just holding out for another £3k a week. He said he'd love to come back and play for us. Said he really liked the set up and the fans etc. Oh yeah - how much? £13k a week is how much, it seems. If he is trying to hold us over a barrel for £3k it won't go down well with fans, squad and management.
[quote][p][bold]brightonfan34[/bold] wrote: Why didn't we have someone already lined up before ulloa went so the argus didn't have to report this story[/p][/quote]I think you're right on the nail here. We knew for weeks that Leo was almost certainly going. He didn't want to play for us because 1) he could see that there wasn't going to be the investment in the club that he thought we needed to go up to Prem. 2) he wanted Prem football and Leicester were after him 3) with that in mind I believe his head went elsewhere and he just wanted to get away. The senior management staff (I'll call them that because so many people on here whose opinions I do take note of don't like the term Suits) knew that it was HIGHLY LIKELY that Leicester would come up with the right amount of cash and that we would be in desperate need of a striker of his quality to replace him. And what has happened so far? Diddly Squat. COG looks promising as a replacement for Barnes not Leo. As for Ward, well I'm beginning to think I'd rather he didn't come back if he is just holding out for another £3k a week. He said he'd love to come back and play for us. Said he really liked the set up and the fans etc. Oh yeah - how much? £13k a week is how much, it seems. If he is trying to hold us over a barrel for £3k it won't go down well with fans, squad and management. Max Ripple
  • Score: 2

10:09am Fri 25 Jul 14

pjwilk says...

You can see why Players and Managers dont want to come to this club it is run by two money saving morons who dont have a clue about building trust and share ambitions with supporters and players.Do they get bonuses on money they save and dont spend?,its easy,just sell your best players and buy bargain basement replacements whats hard about that.Just sack the B Bs save their wages and hand the reins over to Sami,we will all be happy.
You can see why Players and Managers dont want to come to this club it is run by two money saving morons who dont have a clue about building trust and share ambitions with supporters and players.Do they get bonuses on money they save and dont spend?,its easy,just sell your best players and buy bargain basement replacements whats hard about that.Just sack the B Bs save their wages and hand the reins over to Sami,we will all be happy. pjwilk
  • Score: -3

10:11am Fri 25 Jul 14

tug509 says...

OldGull wrote:
Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Hi SSI ,
I have never liked DOFs ,and in Burke I think we have an inflexible one ,I think a manager should be hands on during the whole signing process . If your a player who has been targeted by a manager such as Sami ,the personal touches ,I would imagine can make the difference between signing on the dotted line or choosing the other guy ,but to be passed over to Burke to complete the details might seem impersonal ,and the player might not get the feeling for the club and the set up that Sami would put over ,as they say ,you have to sell the club to the player .

We have heard almost nothing from the backroom staff about ,well anything ,so it understandable that people like myself are worried about signings ,have we missed out on someone because of wage structure or fees ,are we being to frugal with the budget ,so many on here have said ,other teams with similar budgets than us have had no problems with bringing players in ,so why it is so hard for us ,I think it is the way we do things now that we have a DOF ,they interfere too much ,leave it to Sami ,or havn`t we learnt our lesson in the last two seasons . UTA
Hi again Tug.

Actually, I'm in full agreement with you about the type of set up I would prefer to see. Like you, I believe that the manager whose neck is on the block for performance of his players, should be the one who not only identifies who he wants in his squad, but also takes full ownership of the process until the player is signed, sealed and delivered. I believe that 'old fashioned' method is by far and away the best system and Liverpool are currently proving that it can be done in this day and age, even at the highest level. I think the DOF role is something of a fad which will one day be dispensed with.

However, at the same time, with all the demands of the manager's role I can also see why, in theory at least, the DOF role has evolved. In theory it should work well to leave the manager to get on with the work of coaching and motivating whilst someone else does the administration. I guess what determines whether or not the DOF role works properly is the relationship between the manager and the DOF, and also the character, footballing knowledge and plain common sense of the DOF.

Have we got the right system in place? I don't know, it's arguable both ways. Have we got the right people in place? Well, I have no doubt in Sami's credentials or his desire to take us as far as possible - which is top flight Prem. Burke? Not so sure - he comes across well, as you would expect a person in his position to do. But is he able to close a sale and bring in the players that the club have identified? Well, his current conversion rate doesn't look great... and that's based only on the players who we believe we know to have been approached.

I do think the system in place can be made to work with the right personnel, but until we start bringing in the players that we want at a more consistent rate I, like you, am not convinced that we have it working the way it should at BHA.

I do think that the clock may be ticking for DOFs in general and that would certainly include ours - they are a very expensive commodity in very tight times. Maybe some time before too long TB and others in his position might just start thinking about making savings in the upper management tier as well as on the pitch. A nice pay rise for Sami for the extra work involved would fade into insignificance against the saving of a DOF's salary and bonuses.

Just my opinion of course, and what do I know, being an ex-pat? (And no, I'm not Arnie in disguise!)
Playing devil's advocate here.
Many people are assuming that DB is the problem because of players we did or did not sign.
As DOF he would have completed the signing of Ulloa once GP had identified him.
He would have completed the deal that brought Ince to the Albion.
He would also have been involved in the loan signings of Bridge & Ward.

So is he the devil incarnate that many on here believe him to be?

From my perspective, I do not know what goes on behind the scenes.
If TB is happy with this set up, that is what counts.

Anyway DB get your finger out and complete the signings SH wants
UTA
OldGull ,
yes cant argue with any of that you old devil ,my concern is the experience a DOF has acquired in football at different levels ,not least as a player ,but I might have found something that your good self and Singing Seagull ,Indonesia will find interesting !.

SSI ,
Terrific post .
I cant find on You Tube the Barry Fry interview about DOFs ,but I have found a written interview he did on the subject ,maybe you and OldGull ,will find it as enlightening as I did .

I went all round the houses ,but if you just type this you`ll get there .
Affinity Barry Fry`s Footy Corner . And choose the 2 Aug 2013 article on Director of Football . UTA
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Hi SSI , I have never liked DOFs ,and in Burke I think we have an inflexible one ,I think a manager should be hands on during the whole signing process . If your a player who has been targeted by a manager such as Sami ,the personal touches ,I would imagine can make the difference between signing on the dotted line or choosing the other guy ,but to be passed over to Burke to complete the details might seem impersonal ,and the player might not get the feeling for the club and the set up that Sami would put over ,as they say ,you have to sell the club to the player . We have heard almost nothing from the backroom staff about ,well anything ,so it understandable that people like myself are worried about signings ,have we missed out on someone because of wage structure or fees ,are we being to frugal with the budget ,so many on here have said ,other teams with similar budgets than us have had no problems with bringing players in ,so why it is so hard for us ,I think it is the way we do things now that we have a DOF ,they interfere too much ,leave it to Sami ,or havn`t we learnt our lesson in the last two seasons . UTA[/p][/quote]Hi again Tug. Actually, I'm in full agreement with you about the type of set up I would prefer to see. Like you, I believe that the manager whose neck is on the block for performance of his players, should be the one who not only identifies who he wants in his squad, but also takes full ownership of the process until the player is signed, sealed and delivered. I believe that 'old fashioned' method is by far and away the best system and Liverpool are currently proving that it can be done in this day and age, even at the highest level. I think the DOF role is something of a fad which will one day be dispensed with. However, at the same time, with all the demands of the manager's role [and I mean Sami here, not a guy in a suit!] I can also see why, in theory at least, the DOF role has evolved. In theory it should work well to leave the manager to get on with the work of coaching and motivating whilst someone else does the administration. I guess what determines whether or not the DOF role works properly is the relationship between the manager and the DOF, and also the character, footballing knowledge and plain common sense of the DOF. Have we got the right system in place? I don't know, it's arguable both ways. Have we got the right people in place? Well, I have no doubt in Sami's credentials or his desire to take us as far as possible - which is top flight Prem. Burke? Not so sure - he comes across well, as you would expect a person in his position to do. But is he able to close a sale and bring in the players that the club have identified? Well, his current conversion rate doesn't look great... and that's based only on the players who we believe we know to have been approached. I do think the system in place can be made to work with the right personnel, but until we start bringing in the players that we want at a more consistent rate I, like you, am not convinced that we have it working the way it should at BHA. I do think that the clock may be ticking for DOFs in general and that would certainly include ours - they are a very expensive commodity in very tight times. Maybe some time before too long TB and others in his position might just start thinking about making savings in the upper management tier as well as on the pitch. A nice pay rise for Sami for the extra work involved would fade into insignificance against the saving of a DOF's salary and bonuses. Just my opinion of course, and what do I know, being an ex-pat? (And no, I'm not Arnie in disguise!)[/p][/quote]Playing devil's advocate here. Many people are assuming that DB is the problem because of players we did or did not sign. As DOF he would have completed the signing of Ulloa once GP had identified him. He would have completed the deal that brought Ince to the Albion. He would also have been involved in the loan signings of Bridge & Ward. So is he the devil incarnate that many on here believe him to be? From my perspective, I do not know what goes on behind the scenes. If TB is happy with this set up, that is what counts. Anyway DB get your finger out and complete the signings SH wants UTA[/p][/quote]OldGull , yes cant argue with any of that you old devil ,my concern is the experience a DOF has acquired in football at different levels ,not least as a player ,but I might have found something that your good self and Singing Seagull ,Indonesia will find interesting !. SSI , Terrific post . I cant find on You Tube the Barry Fry interview about DOFs ,but I have found a written interview he did on the subject ,maybe you and OldGull ,will find it as enlightening as I did . I went all round the houses ,but if you just type this you`ll get there . Affinity Barry Fry`s Footy Corner . And choose the 2 Aug 2013 article on Director of Football . UTA tug509
  • Score: 4

10:29am Fri 25 Jul 14

Claude Back says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Hi SSI ,
I have never liked DOFs ,and in Burke I think we have an inflexible one ,I think a manager should be hands on during the whole signing process . If your a player who has been targeted by a manager such as Sami ,the personal touches ,I would imagine can make the difference between signing on the dotted line or choosing the other guy ,but to be passed over to Burke to complete the details might seem impersonal ,and the player might not get the feeling for the club and the set up that Sami would put over ,as they say ,you have to sell the club to the player .

We have heard almost nothing from the backroom staff about ,well anything ,so it understandable that people like myself are worried about signings ,have we missed out on someone because of wage structure or fees ,are we being to frugal with the budget ,so many on here have said ,other teams with similar budgets than us have had no problems with bringing players in ,so why it is so hard for us ,I think it is the way we do things now that we have a DOF ,they interfere too much ,leave it to Sami ,or havn`t we learnt our lesson in the last two seasons . UTA
Hi again Tug.

Actually, I'm in full agreement with you about the type of set up I would prefer to see. Like you, I believe that the manager whose neck is on the block for performance of his players, should be the one who not only identifies who he wants in his squad, but also takes full ownership of the process until the player is signed, sealed and delivered. I believe that 'old fashioned' method is by far and away the best system and Liverpool are currently proving that it can be done in this day and age, even at the highest level. I think the DOF role is something of a fad which will one day be dispensed with.

However, at the same time, with all the demands of the manager's role I can also see why, in theory at least, the DOF role has evolved. In theory it should work well to leave the manager to get on with the work of coaching and motivating whilst someone else does the administration. I guess what determines whether or not the DOF role works properly is the relationship between the manager and the DOF, and also the character, footballing knowledge and plain common sense of the DOF.

Have we got the right system in place? I don't know, it's arguable both ways. Have we got the right people in place? Well, I have no doubt in Sami's credentials or his desire to take us as far as possible - which is top flight Prem. Burke? Not so sure - he comes across well, as you would expect a person in his position to do. But is he able to close a sale and bring in the players that the club have identified? Well, his current conversion rate doesn't look great... and that's based only on the players who we believe we know to have been approached.

I do think the system in place can be made to work with the right personnel, but until we start bringing in the players that we want at a more consistent rate I, like you, am not convinced that we have it working the way it should at BHA.

I do think that the clock may be ticking for DOFs in general and that would certainly include ours - they are a very expensive commodity in very tight times. Maybe some time before too long TB and others in his position might just start thinking about making savings in the upper management tier as well as on the pitch. A nice pay rise for Sami for the extra work involved would fade into insignificance against the saving of a DOF's salary and bonuses.

Just my opinion of course, and what do I know, being an ex-pat? (And no, I'm not Arnie in disguise!)
For what it's worth, your views on the DoF are excellent. They coincide exactly with mine. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Hi SSI , I have never liked DOFs ,and in Burke I think we have an inflexible one ,I think a manager should be hands on during the whole signing process . If your a player who has been targeted by a manager such as Sami ,the personal touches ,I would imagine can make the difference between signing on the dotted line or choosing the other guy ,but to be passed over to Burke to complete the details might seem impersonal ,and the player might not get the feeling for the club and the set up that Sami would put over ,as they say ,you have to sell the club to the player . We have heard almost nothing from the backroom staff about ,well anything ,so it understandable that people like myself are worried about signings ,have we missed out on someone because of wage structure or fees ,are we being to frugal with the budget ,so many on here have said ,other teams with similar budgets than us have had no problems with bringing players in ,so why it is so hard for us ,I think it is the way we do things now that we have a DOF ,they interfere too much ,leave it to Sami ,or havn`t we learnt our lesson in the last two seasons . UTA[/p][/quote]Hi again Tug. Actually, I'm in full agreement with you about the type of set up I would prefer to see. Like you, I believe that the manager whose neck is on the block for performance of his players, should be the one who not only identifies who he wants in his squad, but also takes full ownership of the process until the player is signed, sealed and delivered. I believe that 'old fashioned' method is by far and away the best system and Liverpool are currently proving that it can be done in this day and age, even at the highest level. I think the DOF role is something of a fad which will one day be dispensed with. However, at the same time, with all the demands of the manager's role [and I mean Sami here, not a guy in a suit!] I can also see why, in theory at least, the DOF role has evolved. In theory it should work well to leave the manager to get on with the work of coaching and motivating whilst someone else does the administration. I guess what determines whether or not the DOF role works properly is the relationship between the manager and the DOF, and also the character, footballing knowledge and plain common sense of the DOF. Have we got the right system in place? I don't know, it's arguable both ways. Have we got the right people in place? Well, I have no doubt in Sami's credentials or his desire to take us as far as possible - which is top flight Prem. Burke? Not so sure - he comes across well, as you would expect a person in his position to do. But is he able to close a sale and bring in the players that the club have identified? Well, his current conversion rate doesn't look great... and that's based only on the players who we believe we know to have been approached. I do think the system in place can be made to work with the right personnel, but until we start bringing in the players that we want at a more consistent rate I, like you, am not convinced that we have it working the way it should at BHA. I do think that the clock may be ticking for DOFs in general and that would certainly include ours - they are a very expensive commodity in very tight times. Maybe some time before too long TB and others in his position might just start thinking about making savings in the upper management tier as well as on the pitch. A nice pay rise for Sami for the extra work involved would fade into insignificance against the saving of a DOF's salary and bonuses. Just my opinion of course, and what do I know, being an ex-pat? (And no, I'm not Arnie in disguise!)[/p][/quote]For what it's worth, your views on the DoF are excellent. They coincide exactly with mine. ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: 4

11:39am Fri 25 Jul 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

tug509 wrote:
OldGull wrote:
Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Hi SSI ,
I have never liked DOFs ,and in Burke I think we have an inflexible one ,I think a manager should be hands on during the whole signing process . If your a player who has been targeted by a manager such as Sami ,the personal touches ,I would imagine can make the difference between signing on the dotted line or choosing the other guy ,but to be passed over to Burke to complete the details might seem impersonal ,and the player might not get the feeling for the club and the set up that Sami would put over ,as they say ,you have to sell the club to the player .

We have heard almost nothing from the backroom staff about ,well anything ,so it understandable that people like myself are worried about signings ,have we missed out on someone because of wage structure or fees ,are we being to frugal with the budget ,so many on here have said ,other teams with similar budgets than us have had no problems with bringing players in ,so why it is so hard for us ,I think it is the way we do things now that we have a DOF ,they interfere too much ,leave it to Sami ,or havn`t we learnt our lesson in the last two seasons . UTA
Hi again Tug.

Actually, I'm in full agreement with you about the type of set up I would prefer to see. Like you, I believe that the manager whose neck is on the block for performance of his players, should be the one who not only identifies who he wants in his squad, but also takes full ownership of the process until the player is signed, sealed and delivered. I believe that 'old fashioned' method is by far and away the best system and Liverpool are currently proving that it can be done in this day and age, even at the highest level. I think the DOF role is something of a fad which will one day be dispensed with.

However, at the same time, with all the demands of the manager's role I can also see why, in theory at least, the DOF role has evolved. In theory it should work well to leave the manager to get on with the work of coaching and motivating whilst someone else does the administration. I guess what determines whether or not the DOF role works properly is the relationship between the manager and the DOF, and also the character, footballing knowledge and plain common sense of the DOF.

Have we got the right system in place? I don't know, it's arguable both ways. Have we got the right people in place? Well, I have no doubt in Sami's credentials or his desire to take us as far as possible - which is top flight Prem. Burke? Not so sure - he comes across well, as you would expect a person in his position to do. But is he able to close a sale and bring in the players that the club have identified? Well, his current conversion rate doesn't look great... and that's based only on the players who we believe we know to have been approached.

I do think the system in place can be made to work with the right personnel, but until we start bringing in the players that we want at a more consistent rate I, like you, am not convinced that we have it working the way it should at BHA.

I do think that the clock may be ticking for DOFs in general and that would certainly include ours - they are a very expensive commodity in very tight times. Maybe some time before too long TB and others in his position might just start thinking about making savings in the upper management tier as well as on the pitch. A nice pay rise for Sami for the extra work involved would fade into insignificance against the saving of a DOF's salary and bonuses.

Just my opinion of course, and what do I know, being an ex-pat? (And no, I'm not Arnie in disguise!)
Playing devil's advocate here.
Many people are assuming that DB is the problem because of players we did or did not sign.
As DOF he would have completed the signing of Ulloa once GP had identified him.
He would have completed the deal that brought Ince to the Albion.
He would also have been involved in the loan signings of Bridge & Ward.

So is he the devil incarnate that many on here believe him to be?

From my perspective, I do not know what goes on behind the scenes.
If TB is happy with this set up, that is what counts.

Anyway DB get your finger out and complete the signings SH wants
UTA
OldGull ,
yes cant argue with any of that you old devil ,my concern is the experience a DOF has acquired in football at different levels ,not least as a player ,but I might have found something that your good self and Singing Seagull ,Indonesia will find interesting !.

SSI ,
Terrific post .
I cant find on You Tube the Barry Fry interview about DOFs ,but I have found a written interview he did on the subject ,maybe you and OldGull ,will find it as enlightening as I did .

I went all round the houses ,but if you just type this you`ll get there .
Affinity Barry Fry`s Footy Corner . And choose the 2 Aug 2013 article on Director of Football . UTA
Hi Tug. Thanks for the link to that article. Interesting and informative, even though it does smack a bit of self congratulation on Barry "I-love-everything-I
-do" Fry's part!!

DoF a passing trend? Well he certainly doesn't think so... but then he is DoF at Peterborough so no surprise there!

UTA!!
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Hi SSI , I have never liked DOFs ,and in Burke I think we have an inflexible one ,I think a manager should be hands on during the whole signing process . If your a player who has been targeted by a manager such as Sami ,the personal touches ,I would imagine can make the difference between signing on the dotted line or choosing the other guy ,but to be passed over to Burke to complete the details might seem impersonal ,and the player might not get the feeling for the club and the set up that Sami would put over ,as they say ,you have to sell the club to the player . We have heard almost nothing from the backroom staff about ,well anything ,so it understandable that people like myself are worried about signings ,have we missed out on someone because of wage structure or fees ,are we being to frugal with the budget ,so many on here have said ,other teams with similar budgets than us have had no problems with bringing players in ,so why it is so hard for us ,I think it is the way we do things now that we have a DOF ,they interfere too much ,leave it to Sami ,or havn`t we learnt our lesson in the last two seasons . UTA[/p][/quote]Hi again Tug. Actually, I'm in full agreement with you about the type of set up I would prefer to see. Like you, I believe that the manager whose neck is on the block for performance of his players, should be the one who not only identifies who he wants in his squad, but also takes full ownership of the process until the player is signed, sealed and delivered. I believe that 'old fashioned' method is by far and away the best system and Liverpool are currently proving that it can be done in this day and age, even at the highest level. I think the DOF role is something of a fad which will one day be dispensed with. However, at the same time, with all the demands of the manager's role [and I mean Sami here, not a guy in a suit!] I can also see why, in theory at least, the DOF role has evolved. In theory it should work well to leave the manager to get on with the work of coaching and motivating whilst someone else does the administration. I guess what determines whether or not the DOF role works properly is the relationship between the manager and the DOF, and also the character, footballing knowledge and plain common sense of the DOF. Have we got the right system in place? I don't know, it's arguable both ways. Have we got the right people in place? Well, I have no doubt in Sami's credentials or his desire to take us as far as possible - which is top flight Prem. Burke? Not so sure - he comes across well, as you would expect a person in his position to do. But is he able to close a sale and bring in the players that the club have identified? Well, his current conversion rate doesn't look great... and that's based only on the players who we believe we know to have been approached. I do think the system in place can be made to work with the right personnel, but until we start bringing in the players that we want at a more consistent rate I, like you, am not convinced that we have it working the way it should at BHA. I do think that the clock may be ticking for DOFs in general and that would certainly include ours - they are a very expensive commodity in very tight times. Maybe some time before too long TB and others in his position might just start thinking about making savings in the upper management tier as well as on the pitch. A nice pay rise for Sami for the extra work involved would fade into insignificance against the saving of a DOF's salary and bonuses. Just my opinion of course, and what do I know, being an ex-pat? (And no, I'm not Arnie in disguise!)[/p][/quote]Playing devil's advocate here. Many people are assuming that DB is the problem because of players we did or did not sign. As DOF he would have completed the signing of Ulloa once GP had identified him. He would have completed the deal that brought Ince to the Albion. He would also have been involved in the loan signings of Bridge & Ward. So is he the devil incarnate that many on here believe him to be? From my perspective, I do not know what goes on behind the scenes. If TB is happy with this set up, that is what counts. Anyway DB get your finger out and complete the signings SH wants UTA[/p][/quote]OldGull , yes cant argue with any of that you old devil ,my concern is the experience a DOF has acquired in football at different levels ,not least as a player ,but I might have found something that your good self and Singing Seagull ,Indonesia will find interesting !. SSI , Terrific post . I cant find on You Tube the Barry Fry interview about DOFs ,but I have found a written interview he did on the subject ,maybe you and OldGull ,will find it as enlightening as I did . I went all round the houses ,but if you just type this you`ll get there . Affinity Barry Fry`s Footy Corner . And choose the 2 Aug 2013 article on Director of Football . UTA[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. Thanks for the link to that article. Interesting and informative, even though it does smack a bit of self congratulation on Barry "I-love-everything-I -do" Fry's part!! DoF a passing trend? Well he certainly doesn't think so... but then he is DoF at Peterborough so no surprise there! UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 5

11:49am Fri 25 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
Hi SSI ,
I have never liked DOFs ,and in Burke I think we have an inflexible one ,I think a manager should be hands on during the whole signing process . If your a player who has been targeted by a manager such as Sami ,the personal touches ,I would imagine can make the difference between signing on the dotted line or choosing the other guy ,but to be passed over to Burke to complete the details might seem impersonal ,and the player might not get the feeling for the club and the set up that Sami would put over ,as they say ,you have to sell the club to the player .

We have heard almost nothing from the backroom staff about ,well anything ,so it understandable that people like myself are worried about signings ,have we missed out on someone because of wage structure or fees ,are we being to frugal with the budget ,so many on here have said ,other teams with similar budgets than us have had no problems with bringing players in ,so why it is so hard for us ,I think it is the way we do things now that we have a DOF ,they interfere too much ,leave it to Sami ,or havn`t we learnt our lesson in the last two seasons . UTA
Good morning Tug.
Ohter clubs are signing players, no denying that, and yes we are running a little behind schedule in that respect. I think the main reason for this is simply down to Hyppia being a new manager. Seven weeks in the job and tasked with finding some seven or eight new players that he feels can get the job done for us. Three are in, four or five to go.

If this were next year, if Sami had a season under his belt with us, I don't think that we would be in the position we currently face with obtaining new players. Seven weeks on the job and at least half that time would have been deciding just what we do need. The recruiting process probably didn't get underway in any serious sense until about twenty five days ago, and those twenty five days have seen three players arrive.

As for the personal touch being injected by Sami when it comes to talking to potential signings, yes that has to be a good thing, but is there any evidence to suggest that this is not happening. We know very little about targets we may have gone for but failed to get, so we don't know if Sami has pitched the club to any player. It's only after players sign that we might hear why they chose us as opposed to a different club, and if Sami was any part of the player's decision making.

Time is running out to fill the squad before the season starts, but I expect the club to continue the recruiting process right thru this window if that is what it takes to get the, 'right,' players.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Hi SSI , I have never liked DOFs ,and in Burke I think we have an inflexible one ,I think a manager should be hands on during the whole signing process . If your a player who has been targeted by a manager such as Sami ,the personal touches ,I would imagine can make the difference between signing on the dotted line or choosing the other guy ,but to be passed over to Burke to complete the details might seem impersonal ,and the player might not get the feeling for the club and the set up that Sami would put over ,as they say ,you have to sell the club to the player . We have heard almost nothing from the backroom staff about ,well anything ,so it understandable that people like myself are worried about signings ,have we missed out on someone because of wage structure or fees ,are we being to frugal with the budget ,so many on here have said ,other teams with similar budgets than us have had no problems with bringing players in ,so why it is so hard for us ,I think it is the way we do things now that we have a DOF ,they interfere too much ,leave it to Sami ,or havn`t we learnt our lesson in the last two seasons . UTA[/p][/quote]Good morning Tug. Ohter clubs are signing players, no denying that, and yes we are running a little behind schedule in that respect. I think the main reason for this is simply down to Hyppia being a new manager. Seven weeks in the job and tasked with finding some seven or eight new players that he feels can get the job done for us. Three are in, four or five to go. If this were next year, if Sami had a season under his belt with us, I don't think that we would be in the position we currently face with obtaining new players. Seven weeks on the job and at least half that time would have been deciding just what we do need. The recruiting process probably didn't get underway in any serious sense until about twenty five days ago, and those twenty five days have seen three players arrive. As for the personal touch being injected by Sami when it comes to talking to potential signings, yes that has to be a good thing, but is there any evidence to suggest that this is not happening. We know very little about targets we may have gone for but failed to get, so we don't know if Sami has pitched the club to any player. It's only after players sign that we might hear why they chose us as opposed to a different club, and if Sami was any part of the player's decision making. Time is running out to fill the squad before the season starts, but I expect the club to continue the recruiting process right thru this window if that is what it takes to get the, 'right,' players. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

11:52am Fri 25 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Hi SSI ,
I have never liked DOFs ,and in Burke I think we have an inflexible one ,I think a manager should be hands on during the whole signing process . If your a player who has been targeted by a manager such as Sami ,the personal touches ,I would imagine can make the difference between signing on the dotted line or choosing the other guy ,but to be passed over to Burke to complete the details might seem impersonal ,and the player might not get the feeling for the club and the set up that Sami would put over ,as they say ,you have to sell the club to the player .

We have heard almost nothing from the backroom staff about ,well anything ,so it understandable that people like myself are worried about signings ,have we missed out on someone because of wage structure or fees ,are we being to frugal with the budget ,so many on here have said ,other teams with similar budgets than us have had no problems with bringing players in ,so why it is so hard for us ,I think it is the way we do things now that we have a DOF ,they interfere too much ,leave it to Sami ,or havn`t we learnt our lesson in the last two seasons . UTA
Hi again Tug.

Actually, I'm in full agreement with you about the type of set up I would prefer to see. Like you, I believe that the manager whose neck is on the block for performance of his players, should be the one who not only identifies who he wants in his squad, but also takes full ownership of the process until the player is signed, sealed and delivered. I believe that 'old fashioned' method is by far and away the best system and Liverpool are currently proving that it can be done in this day and age, even at the highest level. I think the DOF role is something of a fad which will one day be dispensed with.

However, at the same time, with all the demands of the manager's role I can also see why, in theory at least, the DOF role has evolved. In theory it should work well to leave the manager to get on with the work of coaching and motivating whilst someone else does the administration. I guess what determines whether or not the DOF role works properly is the relationship between the manager and the DOF, and also the character, footballing knowledge and plain common sense of the DOF.

Have we got the right system in place? I don't know, it's arguable both ways. Have we got the right people in place? Well, I have no doubt in Sami's credentials or his desire to take us as far as possible - which is top flight Prem. Burke? Not so sure - he comes across well, as you would expect a person in his position to do. But is he able to close a sale and bring in the players that the club have identified? Well, his current conversion rate doesn't look great... and that's based only on the players who we believe we know to have been approached.

I do think the system in place can be made to work with the right personnel, but until we start bringing in the players that we want at a more consistent rate I, like you, am not convinced that we have it working the way it should at BHA.

I do think that the clock may be ticking for DOFs in general and that would certainly include ours - they are a very expensive commodity in very tight times. Maybe some time before too long TB and others in his position might just start thinking about making savings in the upper management tier as well as on the pitch. A nice pay rise for Sami for the extra work involved would fade into insignificance against the saving of a DOF's salary and bonuses.

Just my opinion of course, and what do I know, being an ex-pat? (And no, I'm not Arnie in disguise!)
You're sure not, as we disagree on this point :-) Even a 'manager' such as Brendan Rodgers will delegate much of his work, so although he might do some things that a DoF would do, he will have to let others do some of the work that say Hyypia will do. There just aren't the hours in the day to do all facets of the job.

Let's not forget the fact that Hyypia mig alsoht be bloody awful at the nitty-gritty of signing a player and agreeing terms with him. Burke at least has (a) plenty of experience, and (b) the trust of the board an owner. If a player is turning down a proposition like the Albion based upon nothing more than the only time he will ever have to deal with Burke then maybe he needs to not be quite so short-sighted.

:-D
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Hi SSI , I have never liked DOFs ,and in Burke I think we have an inflexible one ,I think a manager should be hands on during the whole signing process . If your a player who has been targeted by a manager such as Sami ,the personal touches ,I would imagine can make the difference between signing on the dotted line or choosing the other guy ,but to be passed over to Burke to complete the details might seem impersonal ,and the player might not get the feeling for the club and the set up that Sami would put over ,as they say ,you have to sell the club to the player . We have heard almost nothing from the backroom staff about ,well anything ,so it understandable that people like myself are worried about signings ,have we missed out on someone because of wage structure or fees ,are we being to frugal with the budget ,so many on here have said ,other teams with similar budgets than us have had no problems with bringing players in ,so why it is so hard for us ,I think it is the way we do things now that we have a DOF ,they interfere too much ,leave it to Sami ,or havn`t we learnt our lesson in the last two seasons . UTA[/p][/quote]Hi again Tug. Actually, I'm in full agreement with you about the type of set up I would prefer to see. Like you, I believe that the manager whose neck is on the block for performance of his players, should be the one who not only identifies who he wants in his squad, but also takes full ownership of the process until the player is signed, sealed and delivered. I believe that 'old fashioned' method is by far and away the best system and Liverpool are currently proving that it can be done in this day and age, even at the highest level. I think the DOF role is something of a fad which will one day be dispensed with. However, at the same time, with all the demands of the manager's role [and I mean Sami here, not a guy in a suit!] I can also see why, in theory at least, the DOF role has evolved. In theory it should work well to leave the manager to get on with the work of coaching and motivating whilst someone else does the administration. I guess what determines whether or not the DOF role works properly is the relationship between the manager and the DOF, and also the character, footballing knowledge and plain common sense of the DOF. Have we got the right system in place? I don't know, it's arguable both ways. Have we got the right people in place? Well, I have no doubt in Sami's credentials or his desire to take us as far as possible - which is top flight Prem. Burke? Not so sure - he comes across well, as you would expect a person in his position to do. But is he able to close a sale and bring in the players that the club have identified? Well, his current conversion rate doesn't look great... and that's based only on the players who we believe we know to have been approached. I do think the system in place can be made to work with the right personnel, but until we start bringing in the players that we want at a more consistent rate I, like you, am not convinced that we have it working the way it should at BHA. I do think that the clock may be ticking for DOFs in general and that would certainly include ours - they are a very expensive commodity in very tight times. Maybe some time before too long TB and others in his position might just start thinking about making savings in the upper management tier as well as on the pitch. A nice pay rise for Sami for the extra work involved would fade into insignificance against the saving of a DOF's salary and bonuses. Just my opinion of course, and what do I know, being an ex-pat? (And no, I'm not Arnie in disguise!)[/p][/quote]You're sure not, as we disagree on this point :-) Even a 'manager' such as Brendan Rodgers will delegate much of his work, so although he might do some things that a DoF would do, he will have to let others do some of the work that say Hyypia will do. There just aren't the hours in the day to do all facets of the job. Let's not forget the fact that Hyypia mig alsoht be bloody awful at the nitty-gritty of signing a player and agreeing terms with him. Burke at least has (a) plenty of experience, and (b) the trust of the board an owner. If a player is turning down a proposition like the Albion based upon nothing more than the only time he will ever have to deal with Burke then maybe he needs to not be quite so short-sighted. :-D Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

12:39pm Fri 25 Jul 14

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Hi SSI ,
I have never liked DOFs ,and in Burke I think we have an inflexible one ,I think a manager should be hands on during the whole signing process . If your a player who has been targeted by a manager such as Sami ,the personal touches ,I would imagine can make the difference between signing on the dotted line or choosing the other guy ,but to be passed over to Burke to complete the details might seem impersonal ,and the player might not get the feeling for the club and the set up that Sami would put over ,as they say ,you have to sell the club to the player .

We have heard almost nothing from the backroom staff about ,well anything ,so it understandable that people like myself are worried about signings ,have we missed out on someone because of wage structure or fees ,are we being to frugal with the budget ,so many on here have said ,other teams with similar budgets than us have had no problems with bringing players in ,so why it is so hard for us ,I think it is the way we do things now that we have a DOF ,they interfere too much ,leave it to Sami ,or havn`t we learnt our lesson in the last two seasons . UTA
Good morning Tug.
Ohter clubs are signing players, no denying that, and yes we are running a little behind schedule in that respect. I think the main reason for this is simply down to Hyppia being a new manager. Seven weeks in the job and tasked with finding some seven or eight new players that he feels can get the job done for us. Three are in, four or five to go.

If this were next year, if Sami had a season under his belt with us, I don't think that we would be in the position we currently face with obtaining new players. Seven weeks on the job and at least half that time would have been deciding just what we do need. The recruiting process probably didn't get underway in any serious sense until about twenty five days ago, and those twenty five days have seen three players arrive.

As for the personal touch being injected by Sami when it comes to talking to potential signings, yes that has to be a good thing, but is there any evidence to suggest that this is not happening. We know very little about targets we may have gone for but failed to get, so we don't know if Sami has pitched the club to any player. It's only after players sign that we might hear why they chose us as opposed to a different club, and if Sami was any part of the player's decision making.

Time is running out to fill the squad before the season starts, but I expect the club to continue the recruiting process right thru this window if that is what it takes to get the, 'right,' players.
Good morning yourself Vegas ,
New manager (love it ,not coach) a lot to do in a short time ,a change of country and league ,new staff ,team ,players Chairman ,yep it`s a lot for any one to cope with in 25 days ,even for someone with such a knowledge and a respect in the game . I don't want to use the word "but" because that would be totally unjustified . It only makes sense Sami will need a lot of help from all the coaches and backroom staff at The Albion ,no argument there ,however I would like for the first and final words to any prospect to come from the big guy Sami himself though .When my daughter bought me "Peter Ward He Shot He Scored" I loved the bit where PW met with Peter Taylor "It was just me and him in his office -no agents no lawyers -PT said this is the offer -it was £50 a week-and I said magic , thank you -where do I sign ? and that was it ." I know that`ll never happen again , although the idea of a manager finalising his new signing should still stand imho . UTA
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Hi SSI , I have never liked DOFs ,and in Burke I think we have an inflexible one ,I think a manager should be hands on during the whole signing process . If your a player who has been targeted by a manager such as Sami ,the personal touches ,I would imagine can make the difference between signing on the dotted line or choosing the other guy ,but to be passed over to Burke to complete the details might seem impersonal ,and the player might not get the feeling for the club and the set up that Sami would put over ,as they say ,you have to sell the club to the player . We have heard almost nothing from the backroom staff about ,well anything ,so it understandable that people like myself are worried about signings ,have we missed out on someone because of wage structure or fees ,are we being to frugal with the budget ,so many on here have said ,other teams with similar budgets than us have had no problems with bringing players in ,so why it is so hard for us ,I think it is the way we do things now that we have a DOF ,they interfere too much ,leave it to Sami ,or havn`t we learnt our lesson in the last two seasons . UTA[/p][/quote]Good morning Tug. Ohter clubs are signing players, no denying that, and yes we are running a little behind schedule in that respect. I think the main reason for this is simply down to Hyppia being a new manager. Seven weeks in the job and tasked with finding some seven or eight new players that he feels can get the job done for us. Three are in, four or five to go. If this were next year, if Sami had a season under his belt with us, I don't think that we would be in the position we currently face with obtaining new players. Seven weeks on the job and at least half that time would have been deciding just what we do need. The recruiting process probably didn't get underway in any serious sense until about twenty five days ago, and those twenty five days have seen three players arrive. As for the personal touch being injected by Sami when it comes to talking to potential signings, yes that has to be a good thing, but is there any evidence to suggest that this is not happening. We know very little about targets we may have gone for but failed to get, so we don't know if Sami has pitched the club to any player. It's only after players sign that we might hear why they chose us as opposed to a different club, and if Sami was any part of the player's decision making. Time is running out to fill the squad before the season starts, but I expect the club to continue the recruiting process right thru this window if that is what it takes to get the, 'right,' players.[/p][/quote]Good morning yourself Vegas , New manager (love it ,not coach) a lot to do in a short time ,a change of country and league ,new staff ,team ,players Chairman ,yep it`s a lot for any one to cope with in 25 days ,even for someone with such a knowledge and a respect in the game . I don't want to use the word "but" because that would be totally unjustified . It only makes sense Sami will need a lot of help from all the coaches and backroom staff at The Albion ,no argument there ,however I would like for the first and final words to any prospect to come from the big guy Sami himself though .When my daughter bought me "Peter Ward He Shot He Scored" I loved the bit where PW met with Peter Taylor "It was just me and him in his office -no agents no lawyers -PT said this is the offer -it was £50 a week-and I said magic , thank you -where do I sign ? and that was it ." I know that`ll never happen again , although the idea of a manager finalising his new signing should still stand imho . UTA tug509
  • Score: 4

12:44pm Fri 25 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
tug509 wrote:
OldGull wrote:
Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Hi SSI ,
I have never liked DOFs ,and in Burke I think we have an inflexible one ,I think a manager should be hands on during the whole signing process . If your a player who has been targeted by a manager such as Sami ,the personal touches ,I would imagine can make the difference between signing on the dotted line or choosing the other guy ,but to be passed over to Burke to complete the details might seem impersonal ,and the player might not get the feeling for the club and the set up that Sami would put over ,as they say ,you have to sell the club to the player .

We have heard almost nothing from the backroom staff about ,well anything ,so it understandable that people like myself are worried about signings ,have we missed out on someone because of wage structure or fees ,are we being to frugal with the budget ,so many on here have said ,other teams with similar budgets than us have had no problems with bringing players in ,so why it is so hard for us ,I think it is the way we do things now that we have a DOF ,they interfere too much ,leave it to Sami ,or havn`t we learnt our lesson in the last two seasons . UTA
Hi again Tug.

Actually, I'm in full agreement with you about the type of set up I would prefer to see. Like you, I believe that the manager whose neck is on the block for performance of his players, should be the one who not only identifies who he wants in his squad, but also takes full ownership of the process until the player is signed, sealed and delivered. I believe that 'old fashioned' method is by far and away the best system and Liverpool are currently proving that it can be done in this day and age, even at the highest level. I think the DOF role is something of a fad which will one day be dispensed with.

However, at the same time, with all the demands of the manager's role I can also see why, in theory at least, the DOF role has evolved. In theory it should work well to leave the manager to get on with the work of coaching and motivating whilst someone else does the administration. I guess what determines whether or not the DOF role works properly is the relationship between the manager and the DOF, and also the character, footballing knowledge and plain common sense of the DOF.

Have we got the right system in place? I don't know, it's arguable both ways. Have we got the right people in place? Well, I have no doubt in Sami's credentials or his desire to take us as far as possible - which is top flight Prem. Burke? Not so sure - he comes across well, as you would expect a person in his position to do. But is he able to close a sale and bring in the players that the club have identified? Well, his current conversion rate doesn't look great... and that's based only on the players who we believe we know to have been approached.

I do think the system in place can be made to work with the right personnel, but until we start bringing in the players that we want at a more consistent rate I, like you, am not convinced that we have it working the way it should at BHA.

I do think that the clock may be ticking for DOFs in general and that would certainly include ours - they are a very expensive commodity in very tight times. Maybe some time before too long TB and others in his position might just start thinking about making savings in the upper management tier as well as on the pitch. A nice pay rise for Sami for the extra work involved would fade into insignificance against the saving of a DOF's salary and bonuses.

Just my opinion of course, and what do I know, being an ex-pat? (And no, I'm not Arnie in disguise!)
Playing devil's advocate here.
Many people are assuming that DB is the problem because of players we did or did not sign.
As DOF he would have completed the signing of Ulloa once GP had identified him.
He would have completed the deal that brought Ince to the Albion.
He would also have been involved in the loan signings of Bridge & Ward.

So is he the devil incarnate that many on here believe him to be?

From my perspective, I do not know what goes on behind the scenes.
If TB is happy with this set up, that is what counts.

Anyway DB get your finger out and complete the signings SH wants
UTA
OldGull ,
yes cant argue with any of that you old devil ,my concern is the experience a DOF has acquired in football at different levels ,not least as a player ,but I might have found something that your good self and Singing Seagull ,Indonesia will find interesting !.

SSI ,
Terrific post .
I cant find on You Tube the Barry Fry interview about DOFs ,but I have found a written interview he did on the subject ,maybe you and OldGull ,will find it as enlightening as I did .

I went all round the houses ,but if you just type this you`ll get there .
Affinity Barry Fry`s Footy Corner . And choose the 2 Aug 2013 article on Director of Football . UTA
Hi Tug. Thanks for the link to that article. Interesting and informative, even though it does smack a bit of self congratulation on Barry "I-love-everyth
ing-I
-do" Fry's part!!

DoF a passing trend? Well he certainly doesn't think so... but then he is DoF at Peterborough so no surprise there!

UTA!!
HaHa you spotted that then ,yeah he`s a great character ,not enough like him in the game today I think . Not going to London Rd tomorrow ,so wont see the smiler . UTA
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Hi SSI , I have never liked DOFs ,and in Burke I think we have an inflexible one ,I think a manager should be hands on during the whole signing process . If your a player who has been targeted by a manager such as Sami ,the personal touches ,I would imagine can make the difference between signing on the dotted line or choosing the other guy ,but to be passed over to Burke to complete the details might seem impersonal ,and the player might not get the feeling for the club and the set up that Sami would put over ,as they say ,you have to sell the club to the player . We have heard almost nothing from the backroom staff about ,well anything ,so it understandable that people like myself are worried about signings ,have we missed out on someone because of wage structure or fees ,are we being to frugal with the budget ,so many on here have said ,other teams with similar budgets than us have had no problems with bringing players in ,so why it is so hard for us ,I think it is the way we do things now that we have a DOF ,they interfere too much ,leave it to Sami ,or havn`t we learnt our lesson in the last two seasons . UTA[/p][/quote]Hi again Tug. Actually, I'm in full agreement with you about the type of set up I would prefer to see. Like you, I believe that the manager whose neck is on the block for performance of his players, should be the one who not only identifies who he wants in his squad, but also takes full ownership of the process until the player is signed, sealed and delivered. I believe that 'old fashioned' method is by far and away the best system and Liverpool are currently proving that it can be done in this day and age, even at the highest level. I think the DOF role is something of a fad which will one day be dispensed with. However, at the same time, with all the demands of the manager's role [and I mean Sami here, not a guy in a suit!] I can also see why, in theory at least, the DOF role has evolved. In theory it should work well to leave the manager to get on with the work of coaching and motivating whilst someone else does the administration. I guess what determines whether or not the DOF role works properly is the relationship between the manager and the DOF, and also the character, footballing knowledge and plain common sense of the DOF. Have we got the right system in place? I don't know, it's arguable both ways. Have we got the right people in place? Well, I have no doubt in Sami's credentials or his desire to take us as far as possible - which is top flight Prem. Burke? Not so sure - he comes across well, as you would expect a person in his position to do. But is he able to close a sale and bring in the players that the club have identified? Well, his current conversion rate doesn't look great... and that's based only on the players who we believe we know to have been approached. I do think the system in place can be made to work with the right personnel, but until we start bringing in the players that we want at a more consistent rate I, like you, am not convinced that we have it working the way it should at BHA. I do think that the clock may be ticking for DOFs in general and that would certainly include ours - they are a very expensive commodity in very tight times. Maybe some time before too long TB and others in his position might just start thinking about making savings in the upper management tier as well as on the pitch. A nice pay rise for Sami for the extra work involved would fade into insignificance against the saving of a DOF's salary and bonuses. Just my opinion of course, and what do I know, being an ex-pat? (And no, I'm not Arnie in disguise!)[/p][/quote]Playing devil's advocate here. Many people are assuming that DB is the problem because of players we did or did not sign. As DOF he would have completed the signing of Ulloa once GP had identified him. He would have completed the deal that brought Ince to the Albion. He would also have been involved in the loan signings of Bridge & Ward. So is he the devil incarnate that many on here believe him to be? From my perspective, I do not know what goes on behind the scenes. If TB is happy with this set up, that is what counts. Anyway DB get your finger out and complete the signings SH wants UTA[/p][/quote]OldGull , yes cant argue with any of that you old devil ,my concern is the experience a DOF has acquired in football at different levels ,not least as a player ,but I might have found something that your good self and Singing Seagull ,Indonesia will find interesting !. SSI , Terrific post . I cant find on You Tube the Barry Fry interview about DOFs ,but I have found a written interview he did on the subject ,maybe you and OldGull ,will find it as enlightening as I did . I went all round the houses ,but if you just type this you`ll get there . Affinity Barry Fry`s Footy Corner . And choose the 2 Aug 2013 article on Director of Football . UTA[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. Thanks for the link to that article. Interesting and informative, even though it does smack a bit of self congratulation on Barry "I-love-everyth ing-I -do" Fry's part!! DoF a passing trend? Well he certainly doesn't think so... but then he is DoF at Peterborough so no surprise there! UTA!![/p][/quote]HaHa you spotted that then ,yeah he`s a great character ,not enough like him in the game today I think . Not going to London Rd tomorrow ,so wont see the smiler . UTA tug509
  • Score: 2

12:54pm Fri 25 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

arc12 wrote:
However much I'd like to see Clayton, Becchio, or GM for that matter come in, if we were only prepared to offer Bristol City £300k for Baldock, then I think we have no chance with these sorts of players. I suspect that the loan market may well be the source used to bring in any new additions before August 9th. I fear most of Ulloa's money will be used to keep us in line with FFP this season to offset any likely losses. I would love to be proven wrong.
Regarding your FFP funding comment Arc12 I have a suspicion that the club might be looking at/considering stopping the Free Travel Zone when going to the Amex for League games. This is speculation on my part triggered by one of the questions the club asked in a 'travelling to the Amex' questionnaire I completed for the club yesterday.
I can see why the club might be considering that action since I believe it costs BHA about £1.5 - £1.6 million to provide that benefit to fans. By ending that arrangement the club would make a significant saving in theory which might help in meeting the club's FFP targets.
I say 'saving in theory' since I don't know what impact it would have on attendance figures and Season Ticket sales.
If removing the Free Travel Zone (FTZ) resulted in say 5,000 less STs being sold the Albion would lose about £2.25 million of income (assumes the average ST costs a conservative £450 after allowing for juniors and senior citizens). The club would therefore actually end up worse off in this example as a result of taking such action and therefore it would be counter productive for the club to do so. I imagine that Bloom, Barber and David Jones (Director of Finance) will be fully aware of the fine balancing act they need to achieve should they actually be considering stopping the FTZ.
It would be very easy to forget that one of the key benefits of the FTZ, apart from the travel cost saving to fans, is that it makes it easier for fans to travel in terms of movement to and from the stadium ie no 'touching in or touching out' . In having to move 25,000 people in and out of the Amex this is an important consideration.
But since the cost of the FTZ is a substantial figure it probably makes sense for Bloom and Co to investigate ways of reducing its impact. I am sure that some intelligent (compromise) solution can be found perhaps by levelling a nominal 'train' fare cost per match (say £1 a game) on ST holders - this might generate around £450,000 to £500,000 towards the FTZ expense that the club fund but still retain most of the benefits of having it.
This is an important issue since it obviously impacts on the overall BHA Budget and therefore more importantly on the playing side Budget that SH and Burke have available to sign new players.
Unfortunately I will not be able to go to the Forum on 5 August but hope that someone will be able to raise this issue at that meeting.
UTA.
[quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: However much I'd like to see Clayton, Becchio, or GM for that matter come in, if we were only prepared to offer Bristol City £300k for Baldock, then I think we have no chance with these sorts of players. I suspect that the loan market may well be the source used to bring in any new additions before August 9th. I fear most of Ulloa's money will be used to keep us in line with FFP this season to offset any likely losses. I would love to be proven wrong.[/p][/quote]Regarding your FFP funding comment Arc12 I have a suspicion that the club might be looking at/considering stopping the Free Travel Zone when going to the Amex for League games. This is speculation on my part triggered by one of the questions the club asked in a 'travelling to the Amex' questionnaire I completed for the club yesterday. I can see why the club might be considering that action since I believe it costs BHA about £1.5 - £1.6 million to provide that benefit to fans. By ending that arrangement the club would make a significant saving in theory which might help in meeting the club's FFP targets. I say 'saving in theory' since I don't know what impact it would have on attendance figures and Season Ticket sales. If removing the Free Travel Zone (FTZ) resulted in say 5,000 less STs being sold the Albion would lose about £2.25 million of income (assumes the average ST costs a conservative £450 after allowing for juniors and senior citizens). The club would therefore actually end up worse off in this example as a result of taking such action and therefore it would be counter productive for the club to do so. I imagine that Bloom, Barber and David Jones (Director of Finance) will be fully aware of the fine balancing act they need to achieve should they actually be considering stopping the FTZ. It would be very easy to forget that one of the key benefits of the FTZ, apart from the travel cost saving to fans, is that it makes it easier for fans to travel in terms of movement to and from the stadium ie no 'touching in or touching out' . In having to move 25,000 people in and out of the Amex this is an important consideration. But since the cost of the FTZ is a substantial figure it probably makes sense for Bloom and Co to investigate ways of reducing its impact. I am sure that some intelligent (compromise) solution can be found perhaps by levelling a nominal 'train' fare cost per match (say £1 a game) on ST holders - this might generate around £450,000 to £500,000 towards the FTZ expense that the club fund but still retain most of the benefits of having it. This is an important issue since it obviously impacts on the overall BHA Budget and therefore more importantly on the playing side Budget that SH and Burke have available to sign new players. Unfortunately I will not be able to go to the Forum on 5 August but hope that someone will be able to raise this issue at that meeting. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 6

12:59pm Fri 25 Jul 14

sussexram40 says...

Sounds like Hyypia has thrown in the towel already. Not many positive things coming from his lips.
Sounds like Hyypia has thrown in the towel already. Not many positive things coming from his lips. sussexram40
  • Score: -1

1:17pm Fri 25 Jul 14

brighton bluenose says...

brightonfan34 wrote:
Why didn't we have someone already lined up before ulloa went so the argus didn't have to report this story
The answer to your question is surely in the headllne to this article - 18+ goals a season strikers do not grow on trees and if you do spot one his club will want to hold on to him, he will cost good money to be prised away and he will want decent wages - after all both the Baldock/Bristol and the Ulloa/ Leicester saga have proved just that! Of course our present search is not assisted by getting rid of half our scouting staff either!!
[quote][p][bold]brightonfan34[/bold] wrote: Why didn't we have someone already lined up before ulloa went so the argus didn't have to report this story[/p][/quote]The answer to your question is surely in the headllne to this article - 18+ goals a season strikers do not grow on trees and if you do spot one his club will want to hold on to him, he will cost good money to be prised away and he will want decent wages - after all both the Baldock/Bristol and the Ulloa/ Leicester saga have proved just that! Of course our present search is not assisted by getting rid of half our scouting staff either!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 2

2:53pm Fri 25 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

brightonfan34 wrote:
Why didn't we have someone already lined up before ulloa went so the argus didn't have to report this story
Good point Brightonfan34 re having a replacement in our sights - it's not as if one couldn't see Leicester finally getting Ulloa given the number of bids they made over quite a few weeks.
Interested to read Hyypia's positive views about March. I understand from a couple of comments in yesterday's Argus that March is going to be played in an attacking midfield role rather than as a winger. This might account for the consistent reports that the Albion are looking to bring in another winger.
Talking of wingers, I saw a 'rumour' that BHA were interested in Elliot Bennett which would be interesting if there was any substance to it. I also saw that the Mirror is reporting that we are interested in Stockdale.
Hopefully some positive news will break soon about a new signing (or two) being completed.
Everyday that passes without any more acquisitions makes me more concerned. I appreciate that we shouldn't panic but I don't think the club's recruitment side (Burke & Co) should be complacent either.
Remember that SH has repeatedly said he wants to sign players ASAP. Just yesterday Sami was reported as saying he hoped to get the new players needed in before the season starts.
Let's hope he (SH) gets his wish.
Onwards and Upwards.
[quote][p][bold]brightonfan34[/bold] wrote: Why didn't we have someone already lined up before ulloa went so the argus didn't have to report this story[/p][/quote]Good point Brightonfan34 re having a replacement in our sights - it's not as if one couldn't see Leicester finally getting Ulloa given the number of bids they made over quite a few weeks. Interested to read Hyypia's positive views about March. I understand from a couple of comments in yesterday's Argus that March is going to be played in an attacking midfield role rather than as a winger. This might account for the consistent reports that the Albion are looking to bring in another winger. Talking of wingers, I saw a 'rumour' that BHA were interested in Elliot Bennett which would be interesting if there was any substance to it. I also saw that the Mirror is reporting that we are interested in Stockdale. Hopefully some positive news will break soon about a new signing (or two) being completed. Everyday that passes without any more acquisitions makes me more concerned. I appreciate that we shouldn't panic but I don't think the club's recruitment side (Burke & Co) should be complacent either. Remember that SH has repeatedly said he wants to sign players ASAP. Just yesterday Sami was reported as saying he hoped to get the new players needed in before the season starts. Let's hope he (SH) gets his wish. Onwards and Upwards. ballantrrae
  • Score: 7

5:14pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

pjwilk wrote:
You can see why Players and Managers dont want to come to this club it is run by two money saving morons who dont have a clue about building trust and share ambitions with supporters and players.Do they get bonuses on money they save and dont spend?,its easy,just sell your best players and buy bargain basement replacements whats hard about that.Just sack the B Bs save their wages and hand the reins over to Sami,we will all be happy.
No we won't (speak for yourself!). I want Barber to stay in his role securing great deals on sales and drawing in more and more lucrative corporate deals.

The jury IS out in David Burke IMHO, but it would be foolish to get rid of him at this time either way,, so again I disagree with you.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: You can see why Players and Managers dont want to come to this club it is run by two money saving morons who dont have a clue about building trust and share ambitions with supporters and players.Do they get bonuses on money they save and dont spend?,its easy,just sell your best players and buy bargain basement replacements whats hard about that.Just sack the B Bs save their wages and hand the reins over to Sami,we will all be happy.[/p][/quote]No we won't (speak for yourself!). I want Barber to stay in his role securing great deals on sales and drawing in more and more lucrative corporate deals. The jury IS out in David Burke IMHO, but it would be foolish to get rid of him at this time either way,, so again I disagree with you. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 5

6:22pm Fri 25 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
You can see why Players and Managers dont want to come to this club it is run by two money saving morons who dont have a clue about building trust and share ambitions with supporters and players.Do they get bonuses on money they save and dont spend?,its easy,just sell your best players and buy bargain basement replacements whats hard about that.Just sack the B Bs save their wages and hand the reins over to Sami,we will all be happy.
No we won't (speak for yourself!). I want Barber to stay in his role securing great deals on sales and drawing in more and more lucrative corporate deals.

The jury IS out in David Burke IMHO, but it would be foolish to get rid of him at this time either way,, so again I disagree with you.
I agree Captain H.
Yes the jury is probably out on Burke but for practical reasons we will have to stick with him until this Transfer Window closes. If, and only if, he hasn't given SH the support needed and delivered some of the new players that he ( SH) wants by 1 September then he will have to be replaced. But such action would only be justified if DB hasn't performed. Equally if he hasn't then the club would be ill advised to let the recruitment department continue under his leadership.
Barber on the other hand as you say seems to be doing a first rate job not least of which is (a) getting the maximum potential fees for players leaving eg Ulloa and Bridcutt and (b) getting top class sponsorship deals and commercial partnerships witness the new shirt deal with Nike and securing Amex as the Training and Academy centre sponsor.
I thought it significant that Oscar made a point of praising Barber when he left but by implication, for whatever reason, was rather less impressed with Burke and the recruiting department.
Let's hope one's reservations regarding Burke & Co prove unfounded and we see all the new quality players that SH wants signed if not before the season starts (ideally) by the time the Window closes. UTA.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: You can see why Players and Managers dont want to come to this club it is run by two money saving morons who dont have a clue about building trust and share ambitions with supporters and players.Do they get bonuses on money they save and dont spend?,its easy,just sell your best players and buy bargain basement replacements whats hard about that.Just sack the B Bs save their wages and hand the reins over to Sami,we will all be happy.[/p][/quote]No we won't (speak for yourself!). I want Barber to stay in his role securing great deals on sales and drawing in more and more lucrative corporate deals. The jury IS out in David Burke IMHO, but it would be foolish to get rid of him at this time either way,, so again I disagree with you.[/p][/quote]I agree Captain H. Yes the jury is probably out on Burke but for practical reasons we will have to stick with him until this Transfer Window closes. If, and only if, he hasn't given SH the support needed and delivered some of the new players that he ( SH) wants by 1 September then he will have to be replaced. But such action would only be justified if DB hasn't performed. Equally if he hasn't then the club would be ill advised to let the recruitment department continue under his leadership. Barber on the other hand as you say seems to be doing a first rate job not least of which is (a) getting the maximum potential fees for players leaving eg Ulloa and Bridcutt and (b) getting top class sponsorship deals and commercial partnerships witness the new shirt deal with Nike and securing Amex as the Training and Academy centre sponsor. I thought it significant that Oscar made a point of praising Barber when he left but by implication, for whatever reason, was rather less impressed with Burke and the recruiting department. Let's hope one's reservations regarding Burke & Co prove unfounded and we see all the new quality players that SH wants signed if not before the season starts (ideally) by the time the Window closes. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 4

7:02pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

David Burke was recruited from the Stains since 2010 he has had three clubs including us starting with Man City, too many jobs in to shorter time spells C**p to me, and it's not a coincidence that Tony seems to be getting involved a little more, don't think it will be long before we get the Spanish archer in for him IMO.
David Burke was recruited from the Stains since 2010 he has had three clubs including us starting with Man City, too many jobs in to shorter time spells C**p to me, and it's not a coincidence that Tony seems to be getting involved a little more, don't think it will be long before we get the Spanish archer in for him IMO. Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: 1

8:41pm Fri 25 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
David Burke was recruited from the Stains since 2010 he has had three clubs including us starting with Man City, too many jobs in to shorter time spells C**p to me, and it's not a coincidence that Tony seems to be getting involved a little more, don't think it will be long before we get the Spanish archer in for him IMO.
Somethings obviously not right with that ,big clubs don't let good people go ,and certainly not 3 in a row ,Saints ,Man City and Fulham ,in fact Marcellus may well say something is rotten in the state of Brighton , oops I`m a bard boy !.
[quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: David Burke was recruited from the Stains since 2010 he has had three clubs including us starting with Man City, too many jobs in to shorter time spells C**p to me, and it's not a coincidence that Tony seems to be getting involved a little more, don't think it will be long before we get the Spanish archer in for him IMO.[/p][/quote]Somethings obviously not right with that ,big clubs don't let good people go ,and certainly not 3 in a row ,Saints ,Man City and Fulham ,in fact Marcellus may well say something is rotten in the state of Brighton , oops I`m a bard boy !. tug509
  • Score: 1

1:05am Sat 26 Jul 14

100% Pure says...

And this is the very reason the club got a YES man in.Just ask Sammy Lee.
And this is the very reason the club got a YES man in.Just ask Sammy Lee. 100% Pure
  • Score: -6

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