Hyypia keeps his cool - but he admits 'it’s not an ideal situation'

Sami Hyypia gives out advice at Peterborough on Saturday

Sami Hyypia gives out advice at Peterborough on Saturday

First published in Sport by , Chief sports reporter

Albion boss Sami Hyypia says it will not be a disaster if the squad is not complete before the big kick-off.

But he has also expressed reservations about the gaps still to be filled in the build-up to Sheffield Wednesday’s opening Championship visit on August 9.

The Seagulls, beaten 2-1 in their penultimate friendly at Peterborough on Saturday, have until September 1 to make more permanent additions.

Hyypia told The Argus: “I think we have enough to get 11 players on the pitch when the season starts but if we can’t get everyone in who we would like to get it’s not a disaster but it’s not an ideal situation either.

“We are working hard to do it. My main task is to get everything out of the squad that we have and that’s what I’m intending to do.

“I think we are making steps in the right direction. I saw more of the right things we need to do in this game than I saw against Crawley (last Wednesday) and that’s very good that the players start to understand what we want from them.”

Hyypia was encouraged by former Barnsley striker Chris O’Grady’s debut at Peterborough, which included setting up Shamir Fenelon’s early goal.

He said: “It was good control and a good pass. He showed already that he has some quality.

“We saw a glimpse of what we can expect from him in the season and when he gets to know his team-mates better it’s only going to get better. I am very happy with how he did in his first game and hopefully he will keep performing.”

Aaron Hughes made his first start in the centre of defence after illness and Hyypia expects Albion’s other signing so far, Nzuzi Toko, to be back training with the rest of the squad today. The African midfielder has missed the last three friendlies with a swollen knee.

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6:09am Mon 28 Jul 14

arc12 says...

Worrying comments so early into his tenure. Seriously worried not all is right behind the scenes. Would be good to hear from TB or PB about just what is going on!
Worrying comments so early into his tenure. Seriously worried not all is right behind the scenes. Would be good to hear from TB or PB about just what is going on! arc12
  • Score: 16

6:21am Mon 28 Jul 14

MHubbs says...

Hyypia told The Argus: “I think we have enough to get 11 players on the pitch when the season starts but if we can’t get everyone in who we would like to get it’s not a disaster but it’s not an ideal situation either.


Now I would say that is a disaster!
Hyypia told The Argus: “I think we have enough to get 11 players on the pitch when the season starts but if we can’t get everyone in who we would like to get it’s not a disaster but it’s not an ideal situation either. Now I would say that is a disaster! MHubbs
  • Score: -2

6:28am Mon 28 Jul 14

Far gull says...

Thread after thread of comments all valid .
Questions i would ask to everyone here is "If you were a player ( a good one) why would i move to the Albion on football and money grounds?"
Thoughts....money tight, best striker sold...potential ( many clubs have that)...charismatic staff (in our case , manager maybe but unproven yet) , settled backroom ??
This is going to sound negative but we are not finishing a polished team with one or two extra signings aka Leicester this time last season with an almost dead cert top six finish. We are miles from that and we are not bricks and mortar facilities aside not the best pull for a player of "prem" quality more a possible for top league one /two type player which is fine but reality after last two seasons which the result of sorry failure on the pitch. Under pre play off era we would have been also rans. The momentum was with us with Gus , it wained under Oscar ,sorry we were lucky last year ,if you watched all home games we only played in 3/4 well.
This is a season of rebuilding and it will be another year if we are lucky before we regain momentum.
We will be lucky to draw in top players this season .
Thread after thread of comments all valid . Questions i would ask to everyone here is "If you were a player ( a good one) why would i move to the Albion on football and money grounds?" Thoughts....money tight, best striker sold...potential ( many clubs have that)...charismatic staff (in our case , manager maybe but unproven yet) , settled backroom ?? This is going to sound negative but we are not finishing a polished team with one or two extra signings aka Leicester this time last season with an almost dead cert top six finish. We are miles from that and we are not bricks and mortar facilities aside not the best pull for a player of "prem" quality more a possible for top league one /two type player which is fine but reality after last two seasons which the result of sorry failure on the pitch. Under pre play off era we would have been also rans. The momentum was with us with Gus , it wained under Oscar ,sorry we were lucky last year ,if you watched all home games we only played in 3/4 well. This is a season of rebuilding and it will be another year if we are lucky before we regain momentum. We will be lucky to draw in top players this season . Far gull
  • Score: 31

6:29am Mon 28 Jul 14

Havok82 says...

This is not new news. This is more or less what the Argues printed after Saturdays friendly. Argues if you have nothing new to report don't keep repeating things
This is not new news. This is more or less what the Argues printed after Saturdays friendly. Argues if you have nothing new to report don't keep repeating things Havok82
  • Score: -17

6:30am Mon 28 Jul 14

Havok82 says...

Havok82 wrote:
This is not new news. This is more or less what the Argues printed after Saturdays friendly. Argues if you have nothing new to report don't keep repeating things
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[quote][p][bold]Havok82[/bold] wrote: This is not new news. This is more or less what the Argues printed after Saturdays friendly. Argues if you have nothing new to report don't keep repeating things[/p][/quote]**** auto correct Havok82
  • Score: -16

6:35am Mon 28 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

I heard from a non Albion friend talk sport gave the impression from various journalists that all is not well at the club, comments like " why did Garcia leave after a good season" and hyypia was not first choice after interviewing many candidates,
While we hear very little through the argus, the big newspapers get info from agents , players,managers .. It would seem the club are not perceived as a club well run,
OG had a list of targets , due to communication problems we did not understand , ! Lol .... What is the excuse now ?? Whatever sami is saying to the papers, he will no doubt be getting worried about his first job turning into a disaster, we have seen managers last 30-40 days in a job at other clubs, will he wait and hope things improve or realise he is in for a hiding and jump ship?
Sorry but there are no excuses anymore, players including loans should be bedded in to the squad,
I really hope we get our act together ASAP
I heard from a non Albion friend talk sport gave the impression from various journalists that all is not well at the club, comments like " why did Garcia leave after a good season" and hyypia was not first choice after interviewing many candidates, While we hear very little through the argus, the big newspapers get info from agents , players,managers .. It would seem the club are not perceived as a club well run, OG had a list of targets , due to communication problems we did not understand , ! Lol .... What is the excuse now ?? Whatever sami is saying to the papers, he will no doubt be getting worried about his first job turning into a disaster, we have seen managers last 30-40 days in a job at other clubs, will he wait and hope things improve or realise he is in for a hiding and jump ship? Sorry but there are no excuses anymore, players including loans should be bedded in to the squad, I really hope we get our act together ASAP mark by the sea
  • Score: 21

6:38am Mon 28 Jul 14

stonegold says...

Who can honestly say they are excited about the new season?
Who can honestly say they are excited about the new season? stonegold
  • Score: 29

6:43am Mon 28 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

Far gull wrote:
Thread after thread of comments all valid .
Questions i would ask to everyone here is "If you were a player ( a good one) why would i move to the Albion on football and money grounds?"
Thoughts....money tight, best striker sold...potential ( many clubs have that)...charismatic staff (in our case , manager maybe but unproven yet) , settled backroom ??
This is going to sound negative but we are not finishing a polished team with one or two extra signings aka Leicester this time last season with an almost dead cert top six finish. We are miles from that and we are not bricks and mortar facilities aside not the best pull for a player of "prem" quality more a possible for top league one /two type player which is fine but reality after last two seasons which the result of sorry failure on the pitch. Under pre play off era we would have been also rans. The momentum was with us with Gus , it wained under Oscar ,sorry we were lucky last year ,if you watched all home games we only played in 3/4 well.
This is a season of rebuilding and it will be another year if we are lucky before we regain momentum.
We will be lucky to draw in top players this season .
Morning, I agree it's a rebuild, but next year it will be a bigger job, GG caldi and a few others will be over the hill, lua lua , cms both out of contract next summer, the rebuild is really a massive one, and unless someone gets a grip we could be deep on trouble,
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Thread after thread of comments all valid . Questions i would ask to everyone here is "If you were a player ( a good one) why would i move to the Albion on football and money grounds?" Thoughts....money tight, best striker sold...potential ( many clubs have that)...charismatic staff (in our case , manager maybe but unproven yet) , settled backroom ?? This is going to sound negative but we are not finishing a polished team with one or two extra signings aka Leicester this time last season with an almost dead cert top six finish. We are miles from that and we are not bricks and mortar facilities aside not the best pull for a player of "prem" quality more a possible for top league one /two type player which is fine but reality after last two seasons which the result of sorry failure on the pitch. Under pre play off era we would have been also rans. The momentum was with us with Gus , it wained under Oscar ,sorry we were lucky last year ,if you watched all home games we only played in 3/4 well. This is a season of rebuilding and it will be another year if we are lucky before we regain momentum. We will be lucky to draw in top players this season .[/p][/quote]Morning, I agree it's a rebuild, but next year it will be a bigger job, GG caldi and a few others will be over the hill, lua lua , cms both out of contract next summer, the rebuild is really a massive one, and unless someone gets a grip we could be deep on trouble, mark by the sea
  • Score: 19

7:01am Mon 28 Jul 14

Dolph Ins says...

Good morning. Nice to get my dose of pessimism early. Now I can go off to work whistling a happy tune. Try to cheer up you lot. At least you don't support Leeds... or Blackpool.... or Southampton.....
Good morning. Nice to get my dose of pessimism early. Now I can go off to work whistling a happy tune. Try to cheer up you lot. At least you don't support Leeds... or Blackpool.... or Southampton..... Dolph Ins
  • Score: 17

7:02am Mon 28 Jul 14

AlfieT says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Far gull wrote:
Thread after thread of comments all valid .
Questions i would ask to everyone here is "If you were a player ( a good one) why would i move to the Albion on football and money grounds?"
Thoughts....money tight, best striker sold...potential ( many clubs have that)...charismatic staff (in our case , manager maybe but unproven yet) , settled backroom ??
This is going to sound negative but we are not finishing a polished team with one or two extra signings aka Leicester this time last season with an almost dead cert top six finish. We are miles from that and we are not bricks and mortar facilities aside not the best pull for a player of "prem" quality more a possible for top league one /two type player which is fine but reality after last two seasons which the result of sorry failure on the pitch. Under pre play off era we would have been also rans. The momentum was with us with Gus , it wained under Oscar ,sorry we were lucky last year ,if you watched all home games we only played in 3/4 well.
This is a season of rebuilding and it will be another year if we are lucky before we regain momentum.
We will be lucky to draw in top players this season .
Morning, I agree it's a rebuild, but next year it will be a bigger job, GG caldi and a few others will be over the hill, lua lua , cms both out of contract next summer, the rebuild is really a massive one, and unless someone gets a grip we could be deep on trouble,
No names or rumours of players linked with the club, NSC usually get players right and there's nothing on there of any note. I think this is it, poorest squad in years and a real struggle lies ahead this season. Season ticket sales down, regulars I know have not renewed, come on Albion we need some quality.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Thread after thread of comments all valid . Questions i would ask to everyone here is "If you were a player ( a good one) why would i move to the Albion on football and money grounds?" Thoughts....money tight, best striker sold...potential ( many clubs have that)...charismatic staff (in our case , manager maybe but unproven yet) , settled backroom ?? This is going to sound negative but we are not finishing a polished team with one or two extra signings aka Leicester this time last season with an almost dead cert top six finish. We are miles from that and we are not bricks and mortar facilities aside not the best pull for a player of "prem" quality more a possible for top league one /two type player which is fine but reality after last two seasons which the result of sorry failure on the pitch. Under pre play off era we would have been also rans. The momentum was with us with Gus , it wained under Oscar ,sorry we were lucky last year ,if you watched all home games we only played in 3/4 well. This is a season of rebuilding and it will be another year if we are lucky before we regain momentum. We will be lucky to draw in top players this season .[/p][/quote]Morning, I agree it's a rebuild, but next year it will be a bigger job, GG caldi and a few others will be over the hill, lua lua , cms both out of contract next summer, the rebuild is really a massive one, and unless someone gets a grip we could be deep on trouble,[/p][/quote]No names or rumours of players linked with the club, NSC usually get players right and there's nothing on there of any note. I think this is it, poorest squad in years and a real struggle lies ahead this season. Season ticket sales down, regulars I know have not renewed, come on Albion we need some quality. AlfieT
  • Score: 9

7:10am Mon 28 Jul 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

The "needle has stuck!" Seems we are a long way from being in a "set to sign" player mode.
The "needle has stuck!" Seems we are a long way from being in a "set to sign" player mode. SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 10

7:15am Mon 28 Jul 14

championshipgull says...

Not Ideal but very pleased with the choice of new Manager and high expectations we will get some quality replacements in over the next few weeks, from the incredible fee we got for Ulloa and with the new training facilities coming into operation, an exciting season ahead .I’ve been supporting the club for over 30 years and we are in the best shape I have seen us in (I shudder now when I think back to lodging at Gillingham). Fantastic input from Tony Bloom to put us on an ever increasing upward journey.
Not Ideal but very pleased with the choice of new Manager and high expectations we will get some quality replacements in over the next few weeks, from the incredible fee we got for Ulloa and with the new training facilities coming into operation, an exciting season ahead .I’ve been supporting the club for over 30 years and we are in the best shape I have seen us in (I shudder now when I think back to lodging at Gillingham). Fantastic input from Tony Bloom to put us on an ever increasing upward journey. championshipgull
  • Score: 31

7:43am Mon 28 Jul 14

Albion fan in London says...

We have made three signings lets not forget this Hughes, Toko and COG. However the main issue is that we sell Ulloa without an immediate replacement lined up which is just odd. This said let's see how this week pans out. 2 more signings of quality and everyone will be feeling very different about things.
We have made three signings lets not forget this Hughes, Toko and COG. However the main issue is that we sell Ulloa without an immediate replacement lined up which is just odd. This said let's see how this week pans out. 2 more signings of quality and everyone will be feeling very different about things. Albion fan in London
  • Score: 2

7:44am Mon 28 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

championshipgull wrote:
Not Ideal but very pleased with the choice of new Manager and high expectations we will get some quality replacements in over the next few weeks, from the incredible fee we got for Ulloa and with the new training facilities coming into operation, an exciting season ahead .I’ve been supporting the club for over 30 years and we are in the best shape I have seen us in (I shudder now when I think back to lodging at Gillingham). Fantastic input from Tony Bloom to put us on an ever increasing upward journey.
For me the academy is the one thing I have wanted the club to do for 10 years, a good academy will produce , look at saints, the vultures have cleared this years crop at Southampton, but they have 60 million in the bank , and another 5-6 coming through,
I can't wait to hear Real Madrid have scouts at our academy, that's a few years away, we have the facilities, we now need the best coaching staff, and the best scouting we can afford. I am certain we will be producing quality in 5-7 years.
[quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: Not Ideal but very pleased with the choice of new Manager and high expectations we will get some quality replacements in over the next few weeks, from the incredible fee we got for Ulloa and with the new training facilities coming into operation, an exciting season ahead .I’ve been supporting the club for over 30 years and we are in the best shape I have seen us in (I shudder now when I think back to lodging at Gillingham). Fantastic input from Tony Bloom to put us on an ever increasing upward journey.[/p][/quote]For me the academy is the one thing I have wanted the club to do for 10 years, a good academy will produce , look at saints, the vultures have cleared this years crop at Southampton, but they have 60 million in the bank , and another 5-6 coming through, I can't wait to hear Real Madrid have scouts at our academy, that's a few years away, we have the facilities, we now need the best coaching staff, and the best scouting we can afford. I am certain we will be producing quality in 5-7 years. mark by the sea
  • Score: 4

7:51am Mon 28 Jul 14

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

Give it time guys, Rome wasn't built in a day. With any new appointment with new ideas, players leaving and at present still awaiting reinforcements, it can seem frustrating to all us supporters. Fear not things will be in place start of season. Because we've received 8 million for Ulloa, we dont want to rush buy any old donkey to fill his boots. Im sure things behind the scenes are at full flow in that department and other departments that need filling. UTA!!
Give it time guys, Rome wasn't built in a day. With any new appointment with new ideas, players leaving and at present still awaiting reinforcements, it can seem frustrating to all us supporters. Fear not things will be in place start of season. Because we've received 8 million for Ulloa, we dont want to rush buy any old donkey to fill his boots. Im sure things behind the scenes are at full flow in that department and other departments that need filling. UTA!! Tony the tiger eastbourne
  • Score: 4

7:51am Mon 28 Jul 14

kipper12 says...

to say i'm worried is an understatement !!! yes we have a great stadium , great training facilities ( thanks TB ) , so why is it that we are struggling to attract decent players ???? one sunday paper yesterday commented that apparently at one championship club there is a massive fall out between the chairman and the director of football !! that is why the signing of players isnt happening as expected !!!! could that be us ?
i think its now time for the board to come to press and be upfront with the supporters and let us know what is really happening !!!
to say i'm worried is an understatement !!! yes we have a great stadium , great training facilities ( thanks TB ) , so why is it that we are struggling to attract decent players ???? one sunday paper yesterday commented that apparently at one championship club there is a massive fall out between the chairman and the director of football !! that is why the signing of players isnt happening as expected !!!! could that be us ? i think its now time for the board to come to press and be upfront with the supporters and let us know what is really happening !!! kipper12
  • Score: 15

7:52am Mon 28 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
I heard from a non Albion friend talk sport gave the impression from various journalists that all is not well at the club, comments like " why did Garcia leave after a good season" and hyypia was not first choice after interviewing many candidates,
While we hear very little through the argus, the big newspapers get info from agents , players,managers .. It would seem the club are not perceived as a club well run,
OG had a list of targets , due to communication problems we did not understand , ! Lol .... What is the excuse now ?? Whatever sami is saying to the papers, he will no doubt be getting worried about his first job turning into a disaster, we have seen managers last 30-40 days in a job at other clubs, will he wait and hope things improve or realise he is in for a hiding and jump ship?
Sorry but there are no excuses anymore, players including loans should be bedded in to the squad,
I really hope we get our act together ASAP
I'm certainly not going to suggest everything is going according to plan, but I do thing the concept of a the club not being well run is all about perception.
The pundits, who normally only have have eye for the PL, probably regard a club that moves players around and spends bundles as being 'well run' from a football perspective. If you like, a fans' view. It's why they have regular love-ins with Harry and QPR.
What we have is a regime that is clearly intent on doing it differently with the intention that we don't self destruct in three years. It's not fun, it doesn't give the pundits much to talk about and their perception, as a consequence, is we're boring and doomed to mediocrity. The two things don't always go together.
It's very easy to read between the lines of SH's comments and see early - perhaps dangerous - frustration. But at the moment, I'm biting my lip and remaining patient.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I heard from a non Albion friend talk sport gave the impression from various journalists that all is not well at the club, comments like " why did Garcia leave after a good season" and hyypia was not first choice after interviewing many candidates, While we hear very little through the argus, the big newspapers get info from agents , players,managers .. It would seem the club are not perceived as a club well run, OG had a list of targets , due to communication problems we did not understand , ! Lol .... What is the excuse now ?? Whatever sami is saying to the papers, he will no doubt be getting worried about his first job turning into a disaster, we have seen managers last 30-40 days in a job at other clubs, will he wait and hope things improve or realise he is in for a hiding and jump ship? Sorry but there are no excuses anymore, players including loans should be bedded in to the squad, I really hope we get our act together ASAP[/p][/quote]I'm certainly not going to suggest everything is going according to plan, but I do thing the concept of a the club not being well run is all about perception. The pundits, who normally only have have eye for the PL, probably regard a club that moves players around and spends bundles as being 'well run' from a football perspective. If you like, a fans' view. It's why they have regular love-ins with Harry and QPR. What we have is a regime that is clearly intent on doing it differently with the intention that we don't self destruct in three years. It's not fun, it doesn't give the pundits much to talk about and their perception, as a consequence, is we're boring and doomed to mediocrity. The two things don't always go together. It's very easy to read between the lines of SH's comments and see early - perhaps dangerous - frustration. But at the moment, I'm biting my lip and remaining patient. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 15

7:58am Mon 28 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

I expect Bloom can here the war drums from his mansion as the natives grow ever more test less, yet he has the power to silence them by getting out the cheque book. This is quite a drama being played out, a shame that it is threatening to hamper our season though.
I expect Bloom can here the war drums from his mansion as the natives grow ever more test less, yet he has the power to silence them by getting out the cheque book. This is quite a drama being played out, a shame that it is threatening to hamper our season though. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -10

8:06am Mon 28 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
I heard from a non Albion friend talk sport gave the impression from various journalists that all is not well at the club, comments like " why did Garcia leave after a good season" and hyypia was not first choice after interviewing many candidates,
While we hear very little through the argus, the big newspapers get info from agents , players,managers .. It would seem the club are not perceived as a club well run,
OG had a list of targets , due to communication problems we did not understand , ! Lol .... What is the excuse now ?? Whatever sami is saying to the papers, he will no doubt be getting worried about his first job turning into a disaster, we have seen managers last 30-40 days in a job at other clubs, will he wait and hope things improve or realise he is in for a hiding and jump ship?
Sorry but there are no excuses anymore, players including loans should be bedded in to the squad,
I really hope we get our act together ASAP
I'm certainly not going to suggest everything is going according to plan, but I do thing the concept of a the club not being well run is all about perception.
The pundits, who normally only have have eye for the PL, probably regard a club that moves players around and spends bundles as being 'well run' from a football perspective. If you like, a fans' view. It's why they have regular love-ins with Harry and QPR.
What we have is a regime that is clearly intent on doing it differently with the intention that we don't self destruct in three years. It's not fun, it doesn't give the pundits much to talk about and their perception, as a consequence, is we're boring and doomed to mediocrity. The two things don't always go together.
It's very easy to read between the lines of SH's comments and see early - perhaps dangerous - frustration. But at the moment, I'm biting my lip and remaining patient.
I think we will sign a few before TB has to stand in front of fans at the forum, TB is not stupid, he knows how fickle fans can be, he also has 100m tied up here,
But I really think a season of rebuilding needs to be tempered with something to excite the fans, of all the players being mentioned as a replacement , Thomas Pekhart would fit the bill perfectly, ex spurs and Southampton centre forward, very powerful target man,
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I heard from a non Albion friend talk sport gave the impression from various journalists that all is not well at the club, comments like " why did Garcia leave after a good season" and hyypia was not first choice after interviewing many candidates, While we hear very little through the argus, the big newspapers get info from agents , players,managers .. It would seem the club are not perceived as a club well run, OG had a list of targets , due to communication problems we did not understand , ! Lol .... What is the excuse now ?? Whatever sami is saying to the papers, he will no doubt be getting worried about his first job turning into a disaster, we have seen managers last 30-40 days in a job at other clubs, will he wait and hope things improve or realise he is in for a hiding and jump ship? Sorry but there are no excuses anymore, players including loans should be bedded in to the squad, I really hope we get our act together ASAP[/p][/quote]I'm certainly not going to suggest everything is going according to plan, but I do thing the concept of a the club not being well run is all about perception. The pundits, who normally only have have eye for the PL, probably regard a club that moves players around and spends bundles as being 'well run' from a football perspective. If you like, a fans' view. It's why they have regular love-ins with Harry and QPR. What we have is a regime that is clearly intent on doing it differently with the intention that we don't self destruct in three years. It's not fun, it doesn't give the pundits much to talk about and their perception, as a consequence, is we're boring and doomed to mediocrity. The two things don't always go together. It's very easy to read between the lines of SH's comments and see early - perhaps dangerous - frustration. But at the moment, I'm biting my lip and remaining patient.[/p][/quote]I think we will sign a few before TB has to stand in front of fans at the forum, TB is not stupid, he knows how fickle fans can be, he also has 100m tied up here, But I really think a season of rebuilding needs to be tempered with something to excite the fans, of all the players being mentioned as a replacement , Thomas Pekhart would fit the bill perfectly, ex spurs and Southampton centre forward, very powerful target man, mark by the sea
  • Score: 6

8:07am Mon 28 Jul 14

Uckfield Seagull says...

I think that all albion fans have a right to be concerned over the current transfer situation within the club, basically its been a **** up since Gus left, last season was a disaster, some of the players we got in were useless and clearly not Garcia signings, I really like Hyypia and hope that this transfer saga is not going to ruin a very promising sitaution, think Bloom and Burke need to come out and state that Hyypia is in charge of transfers to put mine and I am sure a lot of Brighton fans minds to rest. I have been very supportive of the board, the club is in a fantastic position facility and financially wise, lets just start to make some waves player wise, which in all respect is what fans want becuase at the moment Mr Burke has not got a very good name among fans
I think that all albion fans have a right to be concerned over the current transfer situation within the club, basically its been a **** up since Gus left, last season was a disaster, some of the players we got in were useless and clearly not Garcia signings, I really like Hyypia and hope that this transfer saga is not going to ruin a very promising sitaution, think Bloom and Burke need to come out and state that Hyypia is in charge of transfers to put mine and I am sure a lot of Brighton fans minds to rest. I have been very supportive of the board, the club is in a fantastic position facility and financially wise, lets just start to make some waves player wise, which in all respect is what fans want becuase at the moment Mr Burke has not got a very good name among fans Uckfield Seagull
  • Score: 6

8:19am Mon 28 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

championshipgull wrote:
Not Ideal but very pleased with the choice of new Manager and high expectations we will get some quality replacements in over the next few weeks, from the incredible fee we got for Ulloa and with the new training facilities coming into operation, an exciting season ahead .I’ve been supporting the club for over 30 years and we are in the best shape I have seen us in (I shudder now when I think back to lodging at Gillingham). Fantastic input from Tony Bloom to put us on an ever increasing upward journey.
Morning great post mate,
A lot off people have short memories on here, like you say going to Gillingham for every home game not great but we went there, withdean the same but brought us back home, if you read some off the posts on here you would think we haven't moved on over the years, perhaps they are expecting to much without actually thinking how hard it is to get out off this league, like you say players will arrive when we have found the right player at a price we can afford, I for one can't wait for the season to start,
Up the Albion!!
[quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: Not Ideal but very pleased with the choice of new Manager and high expectations we will get some quality replacements in over the next few weeks, from the incredible fee we got for Ulloa and with the new training facilities coming into operation, an exciting season ahead .I’ve been supporting the club for over 30 years and we are in the best shape I have seen us in (I shudder now when I think back to lodging at Gillingham). Fantastic input from Tony Bloom to put us on an ever increasing upward journey.[/p][/quote]Morning great post mate, A lot off people have short memories on here, like you say going to Gillingham for every home game not great but we went there, withdean the same but brought us back home, if you read some off the posts on here you would think we haven't moved on over the years, perhaps they are expecting to much without actually thinking how hard it is to get out off this league, like you say players will arrive when we have found the right player at a price we can afford, I for one can't wait for the season to start, Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 9

8:24am Mon 28 Jul 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

MHubbs wrote:
Hyypia told The Argus: “I think we have enough to get 11 players on the pitch when the season starts but if we can’t get everyone in who we would like to get it’s not a disaster but it’s not an ideal situation either.


Now I would say that is a disaster!
I would agree it's not a 'disaster' as that's a big word taken in the context of worldly events. However, I do believe it is an indication that there is something not running well at our club.

What continues to amaze me is that it seems to take so long before Tony Bloom recognizes where the problems lie, or even that there is a problem.

A lot of people get stick on this site if they post their concerns and that's their right - however, if we simply only stay with FACTS then it is not a personal thing - just facts.

1) We have lost two highly successful managers in two years for whatever reason.
2) No one publicly has ever fully explained the real reasons.
3) in both cases it was presented as being the 'fault' of each manager. With TB 'blaming' Oscar's lack of communication, limited knowledge of English etc as one of the reasons and Gus' case was 'gross mis conduct' (if I remember correctly).
4) The apparent problems began with the appointment of David Burke as H of F Operations.
5) Before that, when Tony Bloom was dealing directly with Gus things seemed to be working more smoothly.
6) We were losing too much money and I believe that Paul Barber was brought in to address that situation by increasing revenue and cutting costs.
7) Great strides seem to have been made in that direction.

However,, if we we're trying to cut costs, what is the cost saving by appointing a H of F when it's a nonsense position if the Chairman/CEO have a great working relationship with the coach and good lines of communication?

The amounts of staff comings and goings at high level does not happen in a well run, happy, organization.

I think it really is time for TB to be much more hands on and come out and at least acknowledge their mistakes, instead of blaming all and sundry. I think people respect that because it's honest and it shows great courage. And then he also needs to take swift action to correct it.

Look back to see the common denominator as to when problems began and correct it. I think we all know when that was.....and it's not a personal vendetta as some on here have suggested.

We simply need the right horses for courses, or round pegs in round holes. And QUICK!

Because when you get high calibre people like Sami, Oscar and Gus, who've been involved in top notch clubs and top notch administrators like they all have, AND, they're relatively financially secure - they will not hang around and have their reputations tarnished because of lesser abilities above them.
[quote][p][bold]MHubbs[/bold] wrote: Hyypia told The Argus: “I think we have enough to get 11 players on the pitch when the season starts but if we can’t get everyone in who we would like to get it’s not a disaster but it’s not an ideal situation either. Now I would say that is a disaster![/p][/quote]I would agree it's not a 'disaster' as that's a big word taken in the context of worldly events. However, I do believe it is an indication that there is something not running well at our club. What continues to amaze me is that it seems to take so long before Tony Bloom recognizes where the problems lie, or even that there is a problem. A lot of people get stick on this site if they post their concerns and that's their right - however, if we simply only stay with FACTS then it is not a personal thing - just facts. 1) We have lost two highly successful managers in two years for whatever reason. 2) No one publicly has ever fully explained the real reasons. 3) in both cases it was presented as being the 'fault' of each manager. With TB 'blaming' Oscar's lack of communication, limited knowledge of English etc as one of the reasons and Gus' case was 'gross mis conduct' (if I remember correctly). 4) The apparent problems began with the appointment of David Burke as H of F Operations. 5) Before that, when Tony Bloom was dealing directly with Gus things seemed to be working more smoothly. 6) We were losing too much money and I believe that Paul Barber was brought in to address that situation by increasing revenue and cutting costs. 7) Great strides seem to have been made in that direction. However,, if we we're trying to cut costs, what is the cost saving by appointing a H of F when it's a nonsense position if the Chairman/CEO have a great working relationship with the coach and good lines of communication? The amounts of staff comings and goings at high level does not happen in a well run, happy, organization. I think it really is time for TB to be much more hands on and come out and at least acknowledge their mistakes, instead of blaming all and sundry. I think people respect that because it's honest and it shows great courage. And then he also needs to take swift action to correct it. Look back to see the common denominator as to when problems began and correct it. I think we all know when that was.....and it's not a personal vendetta as some on here have suggested. We simply need the right horses for courses, or round pegs in round holes. And QUICK! Because when you get high calibre people like Sami, Oscar and Gus, who've been involved in top notch clubs and top notch administrators like they all have, AND, they're relatively financially secure - they will not hang around and have their reputations tarnished because of lesser abilities above them. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 21

8:25am Mon 28 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

JeffLomer wrote:
championshipgull wrote:
Not Ideal but very pleased with the choice of new Manager and high expectations we will get some quality replacements in over the next few weeks, from the incredible fee we got for Ulloa and with the new training facilities coming into operation, an exciting season ahead .I’ve been supporting the club for over 30 years and we are in the best shape I have seen us in (I shudder now when I think back to lodging at Gillingham). Fantastic input from Tony Bloom to put us on an ever increasing upward journey.
Morning great post mate,
A lot off people have short memories on here, like you say going to Gillingham for every home game not great but we went there, withdean the same but brought us back home, if you read some off the posts on here you would think we haven't moved on over the years, perhaps they are expecting to much without actually thinking how hard it is to get out off this league, like you say players will arrive when we have found the right player at a price we can afford, I for one can't wait for the season to start,
Up the Albion!!
Players we can afford? We have 12 million in bank from sales, 21000 season tickets sold.. We need to have ambition beyond FFP ,
I don't want to see us spend silly money, but we must meet fans expectations , or next season will be a half empty stadium.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: Not Ideal but very pleased with the choice of new Manager and high expectations we will get some quality replacements in over the next few weeks, from the incredible fee we got for Ulloa and with the new training facilities coming into operation, an exciting season ahead .I’ve been supporting the club for over 30 years and we are in the best shape I have seen us in (I shudder now when I think back to lodging at Gillingham). Fantastic input from Tony Bloom to put us on an ever increasing upward journey.[/p][/quote]Morning great post mate, A lot off people have short memories on here, like you say going to Gillingham for every home game not great but we went there, withdean the same but brought us back home, if you read some off the posts on here you would think we haven't moved on over the years, perhaps they are expecting to much without actually thinking how hard it is to get out off this league, like you say players will arrive when we have found the right player at a price we can afford, I for one can't wait for the season to start, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Players we can afford? We have 12 million in bank from sales, 21000 season tickets sold.. We need to have ambition beyond FFP , I don't want to see us spend silly money, but we must meet fans expectations , or next season will be a half empty stadium. mark by the sea
  • Score: 17

8:30am Mon 28 Jul 14

Jonathan Mouette says...

And if I hear another rant that we are all stupid and that the club has to respect the FFP rules I shall go balistic... When I see QPR docked 20 points, fined a million for every point docked and 'Arry suspended from football I shall admit we must play the game accordiing to those rules... But that will never 'appen and clubs that have flagrantly broken all the rules will be laughing all the way to the bank. C'mon you suits. Wake up before it's too late...!!!

UTA!
And if I hear another rant that we are all stupid and that the club has to respect the FFP rules I shall go balistic... When I see QPR docked 20 points, fined a million for every point docked and 'Arry suspended from football I shall admit we must play the game accordiing to those rules... But that will never 'appen and clubs that have flagrantly broken all the rules will be laughing all the way to the bank. C'mon you suits. Wake up before it's too late...!!! UTA! Jonathan Mouette
  • Score: 12

8:32am Mon 28 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
I heard from a non Albion friend talk sport gave the impression from various journalists that all is not well at the club, comments like " why did Garcia leave after a good season" and hyypia was not first choice after interviewing many candidates,
While we hear very little through the argus, the big newspapers get info from agents , players,managers .. It would seem the club are not perceived as a club well run,
OG had a list of targets , due to communication problems we did not understand , ! Lol .... What is the excuse now ?? Whatever sami is saying to the papers, he will no doubt be getting worried about his first job turning into a disaster, we have seen managers last 30-40 days in a job at other clubs, will he wait and hope things improve or realise he is in for a hiding and jump ship?
Sorry but there are no excuses anymore, players including loans should be bedded in to the squad,
I really hope we get our act together ASAP
I'm certainly not going to suggest everything is going according to plan, but I do thing the concept of a the club not being well run is all about perception.
The pundits, who normally only have have eye for the PL, probably regard a club that moves players around and spends bundles as being 'well run' from a football perspective. If you like, a fans' view. It's why they have regular love-ins with Harry and QPR.
What we have is a regime that is clearly intent on doing it differently with the intention that we don't self destruct in three years. It's not fun, it doesn't give the pundits much to talk about and their perception, as a consequence, is we're boring and doomed to mediocrity. The two things don't always go together.
It's very easy to read between the lines of SH's comments and see early - perhaps dangerous - frustration. But at the moment, I'm biting my lip and remaining patient.
I think we will sign a few before TB has to stand in front of fans at the forum, TB is not stupid, he knows how fickle fans can be, he also has 100m tied up here,
But I really think a season of rebuilding needs to be tempered with something to excite the fans, of all the players being mentioned as a replacement , Thomas Pekhart would fit the bill perfectly, ex spurs and Southampton centre forward, very powerful target man,
Yeah, I think he'll get the timing right to ease past next week. I'm sure the date for the forum was specifically identified as being at the 'safe' end of pre-season, but he's leaving it very tight!
I still remain upbeat (albeit in the face of extreme provocation!) and think there'll be some significant and progressive activity in the short term.
For me, the time to start making judgement is when the season starts, not after a few warm up games in which Hyppia has probably learned more than we, as fans, could ever imagine.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I heard from a non Albion friend talk sport gave the impression from various journalists that all is not well at the club, comments like " why did Garcia leave after a good season" and hyypia was not first choice after interviewing many candidates, While we hear very little through the argus, the big newspapers get info from agents , players,managers .. It would seem the club are not perceived as a club well run, OG had a list of targets , due to communication problems we did not understand , ! Lol .... What is the excuse now ?? Whatever sami is saying to the papers, he will no doubt be getting worried about his first job turning into a disaster, we have seen managers last 30-40 days in a job at other clubs, will he wait and hope things improve or realise he is in for a hiding and jump ship? Sorry but there are no excuses anymore, players including loans should be bedded in to the squad, I really hope we get our act together ASAP[/p][/quote]I'm certainly not going to suggest everything is going according to plan, but I do thing the concept of a the club not being well run is all about perception. The pundits, who normally only have have eye for the PL, probably regard a club that moves players around and spends bundles as being 'well run' from a football perspective. If you like, a fans' view. It's why they have regular love-ins with Harry and QPR. What we have is a regime that is clearly intent on doing it differently with the intention that we don't self destruct in three years. It's not fun, it doesn't give the pundits much to talk about and their perception, as a consequence, is we're boring and doomed to mediocrity. The two things don't always go together. It's very easy to read between the lines of SH's comments and see early - perhaps dangerous - frustration. But at the moment, I'm biting my lip and remaining patient.[/p][/quote]I think we will sign a few before TB has to stand in front of fans at the forum, TB is not stupid, he knows how fickle fans can be, he also has 100m tied up here, But I really think a season of rebuilding needs to be tempered with something to excite the fans, of all the players being mentioned as a replacement , Thomas Pekhart would fit the bill perfectly, ex spurs and Southampton centre forward, very powerful target man,[/p][/quote]Yeah, I think he'll get the timing right to ease past next week. I'm sure the date for the forum was specifically identified as being at the 'safe' end of pre-season, but he's leaving it very tight! I still remain upbeat (albeit in the face of extreme provocation!) and think there'll be some significant and progressive activity in the short term. For me, the time to start making judgement is when the season starts, not after a few warm up games in which Hyppia has probably learned more than we, as fans, could ever imagine. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

8:45am Mon 28 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

mark by the sea wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
championshipgull wrote:
Not Ideal but very pleased with the choice of new Manager and high expectations we will get some quality replacements in over the next few weeks, from the incredible fee we got for Ulloa and with the new training facilities coming into operation, an exciting season ahead .I’ve been supporting the club for over 30 years and we are in the best shape I have seen us in (I shudder now when I think back to lodging at Gillingham). Fantastic input from Tony Bloom to put us on an ever increasing upward journey.
Morning great post mate,
A lot off people have short memories on here, like you say going to Gillingham for every home game not great but we went there, withdean the same but brought us back home, if you read some off the posts on here you would think we haven't moved on over the years, perhaps they are expecting to much without actually thinking how hard it is to get out off this league, like you say players will arrive when we have found the right player at a price we can afford, I for one can't wait for the season to start,
Up the Albion!!
Players we can afford? We have 12 million in bank from sales, 21000 season tickets sold.. We need to have ambition beyond FFP ,
I don't want to see us spend silly money, but we must meet fans expectations , or next season will be a half empty stadium.
A couple off signings this week will make you smile or maybe not in your case,
Up the Albion!!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: Not Ideal but very pleased with the choice of new Manager and high expectations we will get some quality replacements in over the next few weeks, from the incredible fee we got for Ulloa and with the new training facilities coming into operation, an exciting season ahead .I’ve been supporting the club for over 30 years and we are in the best shape I have seen us in (I shudder now when I think back to lodging at Gillingham). Fantastic input from Tony Bloom to put us on an ever increasing upward journey.[/p][/quote]Morning great post mate, A lot off people have short memories on here, like you say going to Gillingham for every home game not great but we went there, withdean the same but brought us back home, if you read some off the posts on here you would think we haven't moved on over the years, perhaps they are expecting to much without actually thinking how hard it is to get out off this league, like you say players will arrive when we have found the right player at a price we can afford, I for one can't wait for the season to start, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Players we can afford? We have 12 million in bank from sales, 21000 season tickets sold.. We need to have ambition beyond FFP , I don't want to see us spend silly money, but we must meet fans expectations , or next season will be a half empty stadium.[/p][/quote]A couple off signings this week will make you smile or maybe not in your case, Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -4

8:46am Mon 28 Jul 14

fratsomrover says...

stonegold wrote:
Who can honestly say they are excited about the new season?
I am. Cant wait for it to begin.
[quote][p][bold]stonegold[/bold] wrote: Who can honestly say they are excited about the new season?[/p][/quote]I am. Cant wait for it to begin. fratsomrover
  • Score: -5

8:49am Mon 28 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
MHubbs wrote:
Hyypia told The Argus: “I think we have enough to get 11 players on the pitch when the season starts but if we can’t get everyone in who we would like to get it’s not a disaster but it’s not an ideal situation either.


Now I would say that is a disaster!
I would agree it's not a 'disaster' as that's a big word taken in the context of worldly events. However, I do believe it is an indication that there is something not running well at our club.

What continues to amaze me is that it seems to take so long before Tony Bloom recognizes where the problems lie, or even that there is a problem.

A lot of people get stick on this site if they post their concerns and that's their right - however, if we simply only stay with FACTS then it is not a personal thing - just facts.

1) We have lost two highly successful managers in two years for whatever reason.
2) No one publicly has ever fully explained the real reasons.
3) in both cases it was presented as being the 'fault' of each manager. With TB 'blaming' Oscar's lack of communication, limited knowledge of English etc as one of the reasons and Gus' case was 'gross mis conduct' (if I remember correctly).
4) The apparent problems began with the appointment of David Burke as H of F Operations.
5) Before that, when Tony Bloom was dealing directly with Gus things seemed to be working more smoothly.
6) We were losing too much money and I believe that Paul Barber was brought in to address that situation by increasing revenue and cutting costs.
7) Great strides seem to have been made in that direction.

However,, if we we're trying to cut costs, what is the cost saving by appointing a H of F when it's a nonsense position if the Chairman/CEO have a great working relationship with the coach and good lines of communication?

The amounts of staff comings and goings at high level does not happen in a well run, happy, organization.

I think it really is time for TB to be much more hands on and come out and at least acknowledge their mistakes, instead of blaming all and sundry. I think people respect that because it's honest and it shows great courage. And then he also needs to take swift action to correct it.

Look back to see the common denominator as to when problems began and correct it. I think we all know when that was.....and it's not a personal vendetta as some on here have suggested.

We simply need the right horses for courses, or round pegs in round holes. And QUICK!

Because when you get high calibre people like Sami, Oscar and Gus, who've been involved in top notch clubs and top notch administrators like they all have, AND, they're relatively financially secure - they will not hang around and have their reputations tarnished because of lesser abilities above them.
I see where you're coming from but the point of the set up is that the CEO looks after the business side of the club, and the DoF looks after the playing side with, as I understand it, a reporting line to theCEO? The CEO at a well run club can't be expected to be hands on in all areas, so the DoF fills a gap and the position is almost impossible to do without.
The question is whether putting extra layers into the system is making life easier or is actually adding extra blockages?
If a system is truly in place whereby SH is hands on too, you've now got 4 people, three of whom are hell bent on preserving their own positions, who all need to be convinced that signing Fred Carno from Farsley Celtic is worth the outlay.
As someone once said; "it's complicated" and, while i remain patient, I'm not sure it's as efficient as it should be. It works elsewhere, but the evidence suggests that somewhere in the set up, we're not completely aligned?
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MHubbs[/bold] wrote: Hyypia told The Argus: “I think we have enough to get 11 players on the pitch when the season starts but if we can’t get everyone in who we would like to get it’s not a disaster but it’s not an ideal situation either. Now I would say that is a disaster![/p][/quote]I would agree it's not a 'disaster' as that's a big word taken in the context of worldly events. However, I do believe it is an indication that there is something not running well at our club. What continues to amaze me is that it seems to take so long before Tony Bloom recognizes where the problems lie, or even that there is a problem. A lot of people get stick on this site if they post their concerns and that's their right - however, if we simply only stay with FACTS then it is not a personal thing - just facts. 1) We have lost two highly successful managers in two years for whatever reason. 2) No one publicly has ever fully explained the real reasons. 3) in both cases it was presented as being the 'fault' of each manager. With TB 'blaming' Oscar's lack of communication, limited knowledge of English etc as one of the reasons and Gus' case was 'gross mis conduct' (if I remember correctly). 4) The apparent problems began with the appointment of David Burke as H of F Operations. 5) Before that, when Tony Bloom was dealing directly with Gus things seemed to be working more smoothly. 6) We were losing too much money and I believe that Paul Barber was brought in to address that situation by increasing revenue and cutting costs. 7) Great strides seem to have been made in that direction. However,, if we we're trying to cut costs, what is the cost saving by appointing a H of F when it's a nonsense position if the Chairman/CEO have a great working relationship with the coach and good lines of communication? The amounts of staff comings and goings at high level does not happen in a well run, happy, organization. I think it really is time for TB to be much more hands on and come out and at least acknowledge their mistakes, instead of blaming all and sundry. I think people respect that because it's honest and it shows great courage. And then he also needs to take swift action to correct it. Look back to see the common denominator as to when problems began and correct it. I think we all know when that was.....and it's not a personal vendetta as some on here have suggested. We simply need the right horses for courses, or round pegs in round holes. And QUICK! Because when you get high calibre people like Sami, Oscar and Gus, who've been involved in top notch clubs and top notch administrators like they all have, AND, they're relatively financially secure - they will not hang around and have their reputations tarnished because of lesser abilities above them.[/p][/quote]I see where you're coming from but the point of the set up is that the CEO looks after the business side of the club, and the DoF looks after the playing side with, as I understand it, a reporting line to theCEO? The CEO at a well run club can't be expected to be hands on in all areas, so the DoF fills a gap and the position is almost impossible to do without. The question is whether putting extra layers into the system is making life easier or is actually adding extra blockages? If a system is truly in place whereby SH is hands on too, you've now got 4 people, three of whom are hell bent on preserving their own positions, who all need to be convinced that signing Fred Carno from Farsley Celtic is worth the outlay. As someone once said; "it's complicated" and, while i remain patient, I'm not sure it's as efficient as it should be. It works elsewhere, but the evidence suggests that somewhere in the set up, we're not completely aligned? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 16

8:58am Mon 28 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

JeffLomer wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
championshipgull wrote:
Not Ideal but very pleased with the choice of new Manager and high expectations we will get some quality replacements in over the next few weeks, from the incredible fee we got for Ulloa and with the new training facilities coming into operation, an exciting season ahead .I’ve been supporting the club for over 30 years and we are in the best shape I have seen us in (I shudder now when I think back to lodging at Gillingham). Fantastic input from Tony Bloom to put us on an ever increasing upward journey.
Morning great post mate,
A lot off people have short memories on here, like you say going to Gillingham for every home game not great but we went there, withdean the same but brought us back home, if you read some off the posts on here you would think we haven't moved on over the years, perhaps they are expecting to much without actually thinking how hard it is to get out off this league, like you say players will arrive when we have found the right player at a price we can afford, I for one can't wait for the season to start,
Up the Albion!!
Players we can afford? We have 12 million in bank from sales, 21000 season tickets sold.. We need to have ambition beyond FFP ,
I don't want to see us spend silly money, but we must meet fans expectations , or next season will be a half empty stadium.
A couple off signings this week will make you smile or maybe not in your case,
Up the Albion!!
Lol you clearly have not parted with£500 for a season ticket!
If you read my other posts , I am certain we will make some signing prior to the fans forum,
We can discuss FFP all day , but it's the fans who will decide to buy a shirt, or bother to attend the Amex,, last season 2-3000 clearly never came to many games, we have to show we are moving forward, or we go backwards in the fans minds... Not a easy thing to achieve , but fans are not going to be fobbed off with " greedy agents " greedy player stories for ever!
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: Not Ideal but very pleased with the choice of new Manager and high expectations we will get some quality replacements in over the next few weeks, from the incredible fee we got for Ulloa and with the new training facilities coming into operation, an exciting season ahead .I’ve been supporting the club for over 30 years and we are in the best shape I have seen us in (I shudder now when I think back to lodging at Gillingham). Fantastic input from Tony Bloom to put us on an ever increasing upward journey.[/p][/quote]Morning great post mate, A lot off people have short memories on here, like you say going to Gillingham for every home game not great but we went there, withdean the same but brought us back home, if you read some off the posts on here you would think we haven't moved on over the years, perhaps they are expecting to much without actually thinking how hard it is to get out off this league, like you say players will arrive when we have found the right player at a price we can afford, I for one can't wait for the season to start, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Players we can afford? We have 12 million in bank from sales, 21000 season tickets sold.. We need to have ambition beyond FFP , I don't want to see us spend silly money, but we must meet fans expectations , or next season will be a half empty stadium.[/p][/quote]A couple off signings this week will make you smile or maybe not in your case, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Lol you clearly have not parted with£500 for a season ticket! If you read my other posts , I am certain we will make some signing prior to the fans forum, We can discuss FFP all day , but it's the fans who will decide to buy a shirt, or bother to attend the Amex,, last season 2-3000 clearly never came to many games, we have to show we are moving forward, or we go backwards in the fans minds... Not a easy thing to achieve , but fans are not going to be fobbed off with " greedy agents " greedy player stories for ever! mark by the sea
  • Score: 8

9:07am Mon 28 Jul 14

fratsomrover says...

Dolph Ins wrote:
Good morning. Nice to get my dose of pessimism early. Now I can go off to work whistling a happy tune. Try to cheer up you lot. At least you don't support Leeds... or Blackpool.... or Southampton.....
Very true, I'd hate to be a lifelong supporter of Blackpool or Leeds right now, but dont think Saints come into the same category.
They've helped produce and sold Bale, Walcott, Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Lallana, Shaw, Lambert, Lovren and possibly Chambers & Schneiderlin over the past few seasons for well over £100m+ and they are established in The Premier League.
Personally, I'd love Brighton to follow in their footsteps.

Maybe March, Ince and Co. will become our Bales and Lallana's ?
Dont discount the potential of our up and coming talent. Give them time and support the clubs efforts to get us to the promised land.
I'd rather do it " the Southampton way" than the "Rednap way" and end up with a load of over expensive, **** players and a busted club.
Expensive signings aren't a passport to success !!!!
[quote][p][bold]Dolph Ins[/bold] wrote: Good morning. Nice to get my dose of pessimism early. Now I can go off to work whistling a happy tune. Try to cheer up you lot. At least you don't support Leeds... or Blackpool.... or Southampton.....[/p][/quote]Very true, I'd hate to be a lifelong supporter of Blackpool or Leeds right now, but dont think Saints come into the same category. They've helped produce and sold Bale, Walcott, Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Lallana, Shaw, Lambert, Lovren and possibly Chambers & Schneiderlin over the past few seasons for well over £100m+ and they are established in The Premier League. Personally, I'd love Brighton to follow in their footsteps. Maybe March, Ince and Co. will become our Bales and Lallana's ? Dont discount the potential of our up and coming talent. Give them time and support the clubs efforts to get us to the promised land. I'd rather do it " the Southampton way" than the "Rednap way" and end up with a load of over expensive, **** players and a busted club. Expensive signings aren't a passport to success !!!! fratsomrover
  • Score: 19

9:08am Mon 28 Jul 14

Baldseagull says...

Far gull wrote:
Thread after thread of comments all valid .
Questions i would ask to everyone here is "If you were a player ( a good one) why would i move to the Albion on football and money grounds?"
Thoughts....money tight, best striker sold...potential ( many clubs have that)...charismatic staff (in our case , manager maybe but unproven yet) , settled backroom ??
This is going to sound negative but we are not finishing a polished team with one or two extra signings aka Leicester this time last season with an almost dead cert top six finish. We are miles from that and we are not bricks and mortar facilities aside not the best pull for a player of "prem" quality more a possible for top league one /two type player which is fine but reality after last two seasons which the result of sorry failure on the pitch. Under pre play off era we would have been also rans. The momentum was with us with Gus , it wained under Oscar ,sorry we were lucky last year ,if you watched all home games we only played in 3/4 well.
This is a season of rebuilding and it will be another year if we are lucky before we regain momentum.
We will be lucky to draw in top players this season .
If I were a player, a good one, why would I move anywhere until I was sure I had heard all the offers?
Until we get closer to the close of the window, negotiations will continue slowly.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Thread after thread of comments all valid . Questions i would ask to everyone here is "If you were a player ( a good one) why would i move to the Albion on football and money grounds?" Thoughts....money tight, best striker sold...potential ( many clubs have that)...charismatic staff (in our case , manager maybe but unproven yet) , settled backroom ?? This is going to sound negative but we are not finishing a polished team with one or two extra signings aka Leicester this time last season with an almost dead cert top six finish. We are miles from that and we are not bricks and mortar facilities aside not the best pull for a player of "prem" quality more a possible for top league one /two type player which is fine but reality after last two seasons which the result of sorry failure on the pitch. Under pre play off era we would have been also rans. The momentum was with us with Gus , it wained under Oscar ,sorry we were lucky last year ,if you watched all home games we only played in 3/4 well. This is a season of rebuilding and it will be another year if we are lucky before we regain momentum. We will be lucky to draw in top players this season .[/p][/quote]If I were a player, a good one, why would I move anywhere until I was sure I had heard all the offers? Until we get closer to the close of the window, negotiations will continue slowly. Baldseagull
  • Score: 3

9:08am Mon 28 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

mark why not tell us again how much you have spent on your season ticket.youve been back on this site about a day and you keep telling us.yes we know youve spent 500 pound.who gives a toss.give it a rest for crying out loud.cockwomble
mark why not tell us again how much you have spent on your season ticket.youve been back on this site about a day and you keep telling us.yes we know youve spent 500 pound.who gives a toss.give it a rest for crying out loud.cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: -7

9:12am Mon 28 Jul 14

Conelli98 says...

kipper12 wrote:
to say i'm worried is an understatement !!! yes we have a great stadium , great training facilities ( thanks TB ) , so why is it that we are struggling to attract decent players ???? one sunday paper yesterday commented that apparently at one championship club there is a massive fall out between the chairman and the director of football !! that is why the signing of players isnt happening as expected !!!! could that be us ?
i think its now time for the board to come to press and be upfront with the supporters and let us know what is really happening !!!
Well if it is us and it could be one of Leeds, Blackpool or Brighton, then the simple solution is for Tony to sack the bloody numpty. Surely he has enough nouse to put a few deals through himself. Who needs a director of football when you've got the experience of Hypia anyway? Let Hypia go get his no2 and let him make his signings with Blooms blessing and no one else's !
[quote][p][bold]kipper12[/bold] wrote: to say i'm worried is an understatement !!! yes we have a great stadium , great training facilities ( thanks TB ) , so why is it that we are struggling to attract decent players ???? one sunday paper yesterday commented that apparently at one championship club there is a massive fall out between the chairman and the director of football !! that is why the signing of players isnt happening as expected !!!! could that be us ? i think its now time for the board to come to press and be upfront with the supporters and let us know what is really happening !!![/p][/quote]Well if it is us and it could be one of Leeds, Blackpool or Brighton, then the simple solution is for Tony to sack the bloody numpty. Surely he has enough nouse to put a few deals through himself. Who needs a director of football when you've got the experience of Hypia anyway? Let Hypia go get his no2 and let him make his signings with Blooms blessing and no one else's ! Conelli98
  • Score: 10

9:12am Mon 28 Jul 14

daveyboy35 says...

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
And if I hear another rant that we are all stupid and that the club has to respect the FFP rules I shall go balistic... When I see QPR docked 20 points, fined a million for every point docked and 'Arry suspended from football I shall admit we must play the game accordiing to those rules... But that will never 'appen and clubs that have flagrantly broken all the rules will be laughing all the way to the bank. C'mon you suits. Wake up before it's too late...!!!

UTA!
I've said it before and I'll say it again ffp will be a non starter! Like you I'm also fed up with hearing all this **** about it!!! It doesn't seem to stop brentford, charlton and a few other clubs from spending does it, no one can tell me brentford have more of an income than us? Look what they've spent
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: And if I hear another rant that we are all stupid and that the club has to respect the FFP rules I shall go balistic... When I see QPR docked 20 points, fined a million for every point docked and 'Arry suspended from football I shall admit we must play the game accordiing to those rules... But that will never 'appen and clubs that have flagrantly broken all the rules will be laughing all the way to the bank. C'mon you suits. Wake up before it's too late...!!! UTA![/p][/quote]I've said it before and I'll say it again ffp will be a non starter! Like you I'm also fed up with hearing all this **** about it!!! It doesn't seem to stop brentford, charlton and a few other clubs from spending does it, no one can tell me brentford have more of an income than us? Look what they've spent daveyboy35
  • Score: 5

9:21am Mon 28 Jul 14

The lev says...

When you try and sign a quality player ie one with other options , he only cares about two things ;
1) how much will I be paid
2) what are the chances of playing in the premier league in reasonable time.

He will never ask how nice are the showers at the training ground and do you have a snooker table , also how shinny is the stadium.

We have no chance of signing the quality to get promoted. If we are trying the , develope the youth system , that may or may not work plenty of clubs are competing on that front as we'll , however that's a ten year plan before you would have assembled enough quality to get promoted.

Wake up fellow Albion fans we all know deep down we will be stuck in mid table for the foreseeable future .
However football is about going with your family / mates for the experience on a Saturday afternoon , I for one will be there every week and the scrum for the train after the match will improve , it's not all bad .
When you try and sign a quality player ie one with other options , he only cares about two things ; 1) how much will I be paid 2) what are the chances of playing in the premier league in reasonable time. He will never ask how nice are the showers at the training ground and do you have a snooker table , also how shinny is the stadium. We have no chance of signing the quality to get promoted. If we are trying the , develope the youth system , that may or may not work plenty of clubs are competing on that front as we'll , however that's a ten year plan before you would have assembled enough quality to get promoted. Wake up fellow Albion fans we all know deep down we will be stuck in mid table for the foreseeable future . However football is about going with your family / mates for the experience on a Saturday afternoon , I for one will be there every week and the scrum for the train after the match will improve , it's not all bad . The lev
  • Score: 7

9:23am Mon 28 Jul 14

Guernsey gull says...

arc12 wrote:
Worrying comments so early into his tenure. Seriously worried not all is right behind the scenes. Would be good to hear from TB or PB about just what is going on!
ARC 12.
100 % agree with your comments.
Probably most worrying, is the promise from TB ,about having a good strength squad in place by start of season.
Unless there are some quick signings in next 10 days, we will have to enter the local , 5 a side league.
Really not a good situation is it .
[quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: Worrying comments so early into his tenure. Seriously worried not all is right behind the scenes. Would be good to hear from TB or PB about just what is going on![/p][/quote]ARC 12. 100 % agree with your comments. Probably most worrying, is the promise from TB ,about having a good strength squad in place by start of season. Unless there are some quick signings in next 10 days, we will have to enter the local , 5 a side league. Really not a good situation is it . Guernsey gull
  • Score: 3

9:24am Mon 28 Jul 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
MHubbs wrote:
Hyypia told The Argus: “I think we have enough to get 11 players on the pitch when the season starts but if we can’t get everyone in who we would like to get it’s not a disaster but it’s not an ideal situation either.


Now I would say that is a disaster!
I would agree it's not a 'disaster' as that's a big word taken in the context of worldly events. However, I do believe it is an indication that there is something not running well at our club.

What continues to amaze me is that it seems to take so long before Tony Bloom recognizes where the problems lie, or even that there is a problem.

A lot of people get stick on this site if they post their concerns and that's their right - however, if we simply only stay with FACTS then it is not a personal thing - just facts.

1) We have lost two highly successful managers in two years for whatever reason.
2) No one publicly has ever fully explained the real reasons.
3) in both cases it was presented as being the 'fault' of each manager. With TB 'blaming' Oscar's lack of communication, limited knowledge of English etc as one of the reasons and Gus' case was 'gross mis conduct' (if I remember correctly).
4) The apparent problems began with the appointment of David Burke as H of F Operations.
5) Before that, when Tony Bloom was dealing directly with Gus things seemed to be working more smoothly.
6) We were losing too much money and I believe that Paul Barber was brought in to address that situation by increasing revenue and cutting costs.
7) Great strides seem to have been made in that direction.

However,, if we we're trying to cut costs, what is the cost saving by appointing a H of F when it's a nonsense position if the Chairman/CEO have a great working relationship with the coach and good lines of communication?

The amounts of staff comings and goings at high level does not happen in a well run, happy, organization.

I think it really is time for TB to be much more hands on and come out and at least acknowledge their mistakes, instead of blaming all and sundry. I think people respect that because it's honest and it shows great courage. And then he also needs to take swift action to correct it.

Look back to see the common denominator as to when problems began and correct it. I think we all know when that was.....and it's not a personal vendetta as some on here have suggested.

We simply need the right horses for courses, or round pegs in round holes. And QUICK!

Because when you get high calibre people like Sami, Oscar and Gus, who've been involved in top notch clubs and top notch administrators like they all have, AND, they're relatively financially secure - they will not hang around and have their reputations tarnished because of lesser abilities above them.
I see where you're coming from but the point of the set up is that the CEO looks after the business side of the club, and the DoF looks after the playing side with, as I understand it, a reporting line to theCEO? The CEO at a well run club can't be expected to be hands on in all areas, so the DoF fills a gap and the position is almost impossible to do without.
The question is whether putting extra layers into the system is making life easier or is actually adding extra blockages?
If a system is truly in place whereby SH is hands on too, you've now got 4 people, three of whom are hell bent on preserving their own positions, who all need to be convinced that signing Fred Carno from Farsley Celtic is worth the outlay.
As someone once said; "it's complicated" and, while i remain patient, I'm not sure it's as efficient as it should be. It works elsewhere, but the evidence suggests that somewhere in the set up, we're not completely aligned?
Thank you AiS. I always respect others' posts and I appreciate the points you make. The one statement that the position of D o F is 'almost impossible to do without' I do question.

Is it purely a coincidence that the very best run clubs I know of in our English set up all insist on not having that position. Liverpool, Arsenal and Man United?

I also think it's a little hopeful to believe that only those three are 'hell bent on preserving their own positions'. I think anyone who comes from fear of the future and who feels insecure within themselves and in what they are doing will be 'hell bent on preserving their own position'.

And I think the game, generally, is full of fear. Fear of losing, fear of being relegated, fear of losing crowds, fear of conceding goals etc etc etc. That's why I like brave, no nonsense people running our club from top to bottom.

I truly believe that Sami is a really good and decent guy and everyone who has worked with him echoes those sentiments. And I also get the feeling that our top guys prefer people who are more compliant and willing to say the right things. I think Nathan fits their bill completely as it was they, and no manager, who appointed him.

Just as an aside....there's a lovely you tube send up of Louis Van Gaal talking about the reason for his success is because of the size of his b****! It's really amusing AND has a lot of truth in it. Nice to lighten up any discussion. I like our manager to be that type....and I like our executives to like that type......and am concerned they may not!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MHubbs[/bold] wrote: Hyypia told The Argus: “I think we have enough to get 11 players on the pitch when the season starts but if we can’t get everyone in who we would like to get it’s not a disaster but it’s not an ideal situation either. Now I would say that is a disaster![/p][/quote]I would agree it's not a 'disaster' as that's a big word taken in the context of worldly events. However, I do believe it is an indication that there is something not running well at our club. What continues to amaze me is that it seems to take so long before Tony Bloom recognizes where the problems lie, or even that there is a problem. A lot of people get stick on this site if they post their concerns and that's their right - however, if we simply only stay with FACTS then it is not a personal thing - just facts. 1) We have lost two highly successful managers in two years for whatever reason. 2) No one publicly has ever fully explained the real reasons. 3) in both cases it was presented as being the 'fault' of each manager. With TB 'blaming' Oscar's lack of communication, limited knowledge of English etc as one of the reasons and Gus' case was 'gross mis conduct' (if I remember correctly). 4) The apparent problems began with the appointment of David Burke as H of F Operations. 5) Before that, when Tony Bloom was dealing directly with Gus things seemed to be working more smoothly. 6) We were losing too much money and I believe that Paul Barber was brought in to address that situation by increasing revenue and cutting costs. 7) Great strides seem to have been made in that direction. However,, if we we're trying to cut costs, what is the cost saving by appointing a H of F when it's a nonsense position if the Chairman/CEO have a great working relationship with the coach and good lines of communication? The amounts of staff comings and goings at high level does not happen in a well run, happy, organization. I think it really is time for TB to be much more hands on and come out and at least acknowledge their mistakes, instead of blaming all and sundry. I think people respect that because it's honest and it shows great courage. And then he also needs to take swift action to correct it. Look back to see the common denominator as to when problems began and correct it. I think we all know when that was.....and it's not a personal vendetta as some on here have suggested. We simply need the right horses for courses, or round pegs in round holes. And QUICK! Because when you get high calibre people like Sami, Oscar and Gus, who've been involved in top notch clubs and top notch administrators like they all have, AND, they're relatively financially secure - they will not hang around and have their reputations tarnished because of lesser abilities above them.[/p][/quote]I see where you're coming from but the point of the set up is that the CEO looks after the business side of the club, and the DoF looks after the playing side with, as I understand it, a reporting line to theCEO? The CEO at a well run club can't be expected to be hands on in all areas, so the DoF fills a gap and the position is almost impossible to do without. The question is whether putting extra layers into the system is making life easier or is actually adding extra blockages? If a system is truly in place whereby SH is hands on too, you've now got 4 people, three of whom are hell bent on preserving their own positions, who all need to be convinced that signing Fred Carno from Farsley Celtic is worth the outlay. As someone once said; "it's complicated" and, while i remain patient, I'm not sure it's as efficient as it should be. It works elsewhere, but the evidence suggests that somewhere in the set up, we're not completely aligned?[/p][/quote]Thank you AiS. I always respect others' posts and I appreciate the points you make. The one statement that the position of D o F is 'almost impossible to do without' I do question. Is it purely a coincidence that the very best run clubs I know of in our English set up all insist on not having that position. Liverpool, Arsenal and Man United? I also think it's a little hopeful to believe that only those three are 'hell bent on preserving their own positions'. I think anyone who comes from fear of the future and who feels insecure within themselves and in what they are doing will be 'hell bent on preserving their own position'. And I think the game, generally, is full of fear. Fear of losing, fear of being relegated, fear of losing crowds, fear of conceding goals etc etc etc. That's why I like brave, no nonsense people running our club from top to bottom. I truly believe that Sami is a really good and decent guy and everyone who has worked with him echoes those sentiments. And I also get the feeling that our top guys prefer people who are more compliant and willing to say the right things. I think Nathan fits their bill completely as it was they, and no manager, who appointed him. Just as an aside....there's a lovely you tube send up of Louis Van Gaal talking about the reason for his success is because of the size of his b****! It's really amusing AND has a lot of truth in it. Nice to lighten up any discussion. I like our manager to be that type....and I like our executives to like that type......and am concerned they may not! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 1

9:30am Mon 28 Jul 14

AlfieT says...

mark by the sea wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
championshipgull wrote:
Not Ideal but very pleased with the choice of new Manager and high expectations we will get some quality replacements in over the next few weeks, from the incredible fee we got for Ulloa and with the new training facilities coming into operation, an exciting season ahead .I’ve been supporting the club for over 30 years and we are in the best shape I have seen us in (I shudder now when I think back to lodging at Gillingham). Fantastic input from Tony Bloom to put us on an ever increasing upward journey.
Morning great post mate,
A lot off people have short memories on here, like you say going to Gillingham for every home game not great but we went there, withdean the same but brought us back home, if you read some off the posts on here you would think we haven't moved on over the years, perhaps they are expecting to much without actually thinking how hard it is to get out off this league, like you say players will arrive when we have found the right player at a price we can afford, I for one can't wait for the season to start,
Up the Albion!!
Players we can afford? We have 12 million in bank from sales, 21000 season tickets sold.. We need to have ambition beyond FFP ,
I don't want to see us spend silly money, but we must meet fans expectations , or next season will be a half empty stadium.
A couple off signings this week will make you smile or maybe not in your case,
Up the Albion!!
Lol you clearly have not parted with£500 for a season ticket!
If you read my other posts , I am certain we will make some signing prior to the fans forum,
We can discuss FFP all day , but it's the fans who will decide to buy a shirt, or bother to attend the Amex,, last season 2-3000 clearly never came to many games, we have to show we are moving forward, or we go backwards in the fans minds... Not a easy thing to achieve , but fans are not going to be fobbed off with " greedy agents " greedy player stories for ever!
Spot on, the signs are there already, I know a few die hards that are not renewing. The club needs to ignite the fans with a marquee signing or two. Agent and player greed is something that won't go away, look at Ward, I hope it's not my last game at the Amex, he's just hanging on til the last minute for the best deal, if a championship club offers £500 a week more than us then that's where he will go. No loyalty at all, FFP will sort them out, don't hold your breath.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: Not Ideal but very pleased with the choice of new Manager and high expectations we will get some quality replacements in over the next few weeks, from the incredible fee we got for Ulloa and with the new training facilities coming into operation, an exciting season ahead .I’ve been supporting the club for over 30 years and we are in the best shape I have seen us in (I shudder now when I think back to lodging at Gillingham). Fantastic input from Tony Bloom to put us on an ever increasing upward journey.[/p][/quote]Morning great post mate, A lot off people have short memories on here, like you say going to Gillingham for every home game not great but we went there, withdean the same but brought us back home, if you read some off the posts on here you would think we haven't moved on over the years, perhaps they are expecting to much without actually thinking how hard it is to get out off this league, like you say players will arrive when we have found the right player at a price we can afford, I for one can't wait for the season to start, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Players we can afford? We have 12 million in bank from sales, 21000 season tickets sold.. We need to have ambition beyond FFP , I don't want to see us spend silly money, but we must meet fans expectations , or next season will be a half empty stadium.[/p][/quote]A couple off signings this week will make you smile or maybe not in your case, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Lol you clearly have not parted with£500 for a season ticket! If you read my other posts , I am certain we will make some signing prior to the fans forum, We can discuss FFP all day , but it's the fans who will decide to buy a shirt, or bother to attend the Amex,, last season 2-3000 clearly never came to many games, we have to show we are moving forward, or we go backwards in the fans minds... Not a easy thing to achieve , but fans are not going to be fobbed off with " greedy agents " greedy player stories for ever![/p][/quote]Spot on, the signs are there already, I know a few die hards that are not renewing. The club needs to ignite the fans with a marquee signing or two. Agent and player greed is something that won't go away, look at Ward, I hope it's not my last game at the Amex, he's just hanging on til the last minute for the best deal, if a championship club offers £500 a week more than us then that's where he will go. No loyalty at all, FFP will sort them out, don't hold your breath. AlfieT
  • Score: 2

9:45am Mon 28 Jul 14

Conelli98 says...

fratsomrover wrote:
stonegold wrote:
Who can honestly say they are excited about the new season?
I am. Cant wait for it to begin.
Nor me! Out of the house for 6 hrs, pies, beer, chat, laughter, time with my sons...oh yer and the football! Roll on footie season 😄🍻⚽️🍔
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stonegold[/bold] wrote: Who can honestly say they are excited about the new season?[/p][/quote]I am. Cant wait for it to begin.[/p][/quote]Nor me! Out of the house for 6 hrs, pies, beer, chat, laughter, time with my sons...oh yer and the football! Roll on footie season 😄🍻⚽️🍔 Conelli98
  • Score: 3

9:49am Mon 28 Jul 14

Conelli98 says...

Conelli98 wrote:
fratsomrover wrote:
stonegold wrote:
Who can honestly say they are excited about the new season?
I am. Cant wait for it to begin.
Nor me! Out of the house for 6 hrs, pies, beer, chat, laughter, time with my sons...oh yer and the football! Roll on footie season 😄🍻⚽️🍔
...that was supposed to start with...AND me.
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stonegold[/bold] wrote: Who can honestly say they are excited about the new season?[/p][/quote]I am. Cant wait for it to begin.[/p][/quote]Nor me! Out of the house for 6 hrs, pies, beer, chat, laughter, time with my sons...oh yer and the football! Roll on footie season 😄🍻⚽️🍔[/p][/quote]...that was supposed to start with...AND me. Conelli98
  • Score: 1

9:52am Mon 28 Jul 14

lenward says...

Tony Bloom as put a lot of money into the club, and is a true supporter, but what we have to remember above all is this, he is a business man, and has we all know in business they are run on budgets. Now I am no business man, but even I can see the club as spent a lot of money over the last few years, and at the last count are running at a loss of 14 million pounds. So to my mind it is understandable that the player budget will not be that big and the wages that the club offer will not be that great. So if the club is offering £1000 a week, and another club offers £1500 a week, no matter how good the facility's we all know who the player will pick. The club could haggle, but were would that end, properly with the club in deep debt.

Now we all want success at the club and some of us are prepared to wait a little longer for it, but their is people want that quick fix , which to my thinking will put the club back in div 1 in a few years, you only have to look along the coast at Portsmouth and even Southampton, also the likes of Birmingham, Bolton just two clubs that are struggling to stay in the championship.

I know this will not be a season to remember, I expect us to finish about half way with the emphasis on building the team for the future, and that is what I would like to hear Tony Bloom telling us fans , and stop being so secretive about what the agenda really is, If he looks upon us fans with high regard, tell us the truth. I know he wants premiership football, but is it a short or long time plan, just tell us the truth.
Tony Bloom as put a lot of money into the club, and is a true supporter, but what we have to remember above all is this, he is a business man, and has we all know in business they are run on budgets. Now I am no business man, but even I can see the club as spent a lot of money over the last few years, and at the last count are running at a loss of 14 million pounds. So to my mind it is understandable that the player budget will not be that big and the wages that the club offer will not be that great. So if the club is offering £1000 a week, and another club offers £1500 a week, no matter how good the facility's we all know who the player will pick. The club could haggle, but were would that end, properly with the club in deep debt. Now we all want success at the club and some of us are prepared to wait a little longer for it, but their is people want that quick fix , which to my thinking will put the club back in div 1 in a few years, you only have to look along the coast at Portsmouth and even Southampton, also the likes of Birmingham, Bolton just two clubs that are struggling to stay in the championship. I know this will not be a season to remember, I expect us to finish about half way with the emphasis on building the team for the future, and that is what I would like to hear Tony Bloom telling us fans , and stop being so secretive about what the agenda really is, If he looks upon us fans with high regard, tell us the truth. I know he wants premiership football, but is it a short or long time plan, just tell us the truth. lenward
  • Score: -3

9:59am Mon 28 Jul 14

stonegold says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
fratsomrover wrote:
stonegold wrote:
Who can honestly say they are excited about the new season?
I am. Cant wait for it to begin.
Nor me! Out of the house for 6 hrs, pies, beer, chat, laughter, time with my sons...oh yer and the football! Roll on footie season 😄🍻⚽️🍔
...that was supposed to start with...AND me.
Great - not all doom and gloom then.
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stonegold[/bold] wrote: Who can honestly say they are excited about the new season?[/p][/quote]I am. Cant wait for it to begin.[/p][/quote]Nor me! Out of the house for 6 hrs, pies, beer, chat, laughter, time with my sons...oh yer and the football! Roll on footie season 😄🍻⚽️🍔[/p][/quote]...that was supposed to start with...AND me.[/p][/quote]Great - not all doom and gloom then. stonegold
  • Score: 2

10:01am Mon 28 Jul 14

ringtone says...

If its the fans forum the day before the season starts then thats a clever bit of scheduling by the suits.

Any contentious issues are likely to be quickly swept under the carpet by the first home game of the season.
If its the fans forum the day before the season starts then thats a clever bit of scheduling by the suits. Any contentious issues are likely to be quickly swept under the carpet by the first home game of the season. ringtone
  • Score: 4

10:02am Mon 28 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
MHubbs wrote:
Hyypia told The Argus: “I think we have enough to get 11 players on the pitch when the season starts but if we can’t get everyone in who we would like to get it’s not a disaster but it’s not an ideal situation either.


Now I would say that is a disaster!
I would agree it's not a 'disaster' as that's a big word taken in the context of worldly events. However, I do believe it is an indication that there is something not running well at our club.

What continues to amaze me is that it seems to take so long before Tony Bloom recognizes where the problems lie, or even that there is a problem.

A lot of people get stick on this site if they post their concerns and that's their right - however, if we simply only stay with FACTS then it is not a personal thing - just facts.

1) We have lost two highly successful managers in two years for whatever reason.
2) No one publicly has ever fully explained the real reasons.
3) in both cases it was presented as being the 'fault' of each manager. With TB 'blaming' Oscar's lack of communication, limited knowledge of English etc as one of the reasons and Gus' case was 'gross mis conduct' (if I remember correctly).
4) The apparent problems began with the appointment of David Burke as H of F Operations.
5) Before that, when Tony Bloom was dealing directly with Gus things seemed to be working more smoothly.
6) We were losing too much money and I believe that Paul Barber was brought in to address that situation by increasing revenue and cutting costs.
7) Great strides seem to have been made in that direction.

However,, if we we're trying to cut costs, what is the cost saving by appointing a H of F when it's a nonsense position if the Chairman/CEO have a great working relationship with the coach and good lines of communication?

The amounts of staff comings and goings at high level does not happen in a well run, happy, organization.

I think it really is time for TB to be much more hands on and come out and at least acknowledge their mistakes, instead of blaming all and sundry. I think people respect that because it's honest and it shows great courage. And then he also needs to take swift action to correct it.

Look back to see the common denominator as to when problems began and correct it. I think we all know when that was.....and it's not a personal vendetta as some on here have suggested.

We simply need the right horses for courses, or round pegs in round holes. And QUICK!

Because when you get high calibre people like Sami, Oscar and Gus, who've been involved in top notch clubs and top notch administrators like they all have, AND, they're relatively financially secure - they will not hang around and have their reputations tarnished because of lesser abilities above them.
I see where you're coming from but the point of the set up is that the CEO looks after the business side of the club, and the DoF looks after the playing side with, as I understand it, a reporting line to theCEO? The CEO at a well run club can't be expected to be hands on in all areas, so the DoF fills a gap and the position is almost impossible to do without.
The question is whether putting extra layers into the system is making life easier or is actually adding extra blockages?
If a system is truly in place whereby SH is hands on too, you've now got 4 people, three of whom are hell bent on preserving their own positions, who all need to be convinced that signing Fred Carno from Farsley Celtic is worth the outlay.
As someone once said; "it's complicated" and, while i remain patient, I'm not sure it's as efficient as it should be. It works elsewhere, but the evidence suggests that somewhere in the set up, we're not completely aligned?
Thank you AiS. I always respect others' posts and I appreciate the points you make. The one statement that the position of D o F is 'almost impossible to do without' I do question.

Is it purely a coincidence that the very best run clubs I know of in our English set up all insist on not having that position. Liverpool, Arsenal and Man United?

I also think it's a little hopeful to believe that only those three are 'hell bent on preserving their own positions'. I think anyone who comes from fear of the future and who feels insecure within themselves and in what they are doing will be 'hell bent on preserving their own position'.

And I think the game, generally, is full of fear. Fear of losing, fear of being relegated, fear of losing crowds, fear of conceding goals etc etc etc. That's why I like brave, no nonsense people running our club from top to bottom.

I truly believe that Sami is a really good and decent guy and everyone who has worked with him echoes those sentiments. And I also get the feeling that our top guys prefer people who are more compliant and willing to say the right things. I think Nathan fits their bill completely as it was they, and no manager, who appointed him.

Just as an aside....there's a lovely you tube send up of Louis Van Gaal talking about the reason for his success is because of the size of his b****! It's really amusing AND has a lot of truth in it. Nice to lighten up any discussion. I like our manager to be that type....and I like our executives to like that type......and am concerned they may not!
I'll check the You Tube clip later!
DoF is a pretty emotive debate and it's pretty clear to me there's no right or wrong answer! I think it's merit depends on an individual's point of view.
Interestingly, Liverpool did once have a DoF, and there have been stories of reasonably eminent football people recently imploring Arsenal and Man Utd to appoint one. Equally, there are others who say the set up at places like Tottenham is a complete shambles!
Up here, WBA have operated with one for many seasons and their example might be the closest to some semblance of an answer to the conundrum.
When Roy Hodgson joined them, they already had Dan Ashworth in as DoF. When Hodgson left for England, he took Ashworth with him - clearly a level of trust and mutual respect had developed between the two.
So my point is that perhaps the question is not so much about whether we should have a DoF, but rather that if it's considered a necessary part of the set up, the vital ingredient is the personalities involved?
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MHubbs[/bold] wrote: Hyypia told The Argus: “I think we have enough to get 11 players on the pitch when the season starts but if we can’t get everyone in who we would like to get it’s not a disaster but it’s not an ideal situation either. Now I would say that is a disaster![/p][/quote]I would agree it's not a 'disaster' as that's a big word taken in the context of worldly events. However, I do believe it is an indication that there is something not running well at our club. What continues to amaze me is that it seems to take so long before Tony Bloom recognizes where the problems lie, or even that there is a problem. A lot of people get stick on this site if they post their concerns and that's their right - however, if we simply only stay with FACTS then it is not a personal thing - just facts. 1) We have lost two highly successful managers in two years for whatever reason. 2) No one publicly has ever fully explained the real reasons. 3) in both cases it was presented as being the 'fault' of each manager. With TB 'blaming' Oscar's lack of communication, limited knowledge of English etc as one of the reasons and Gus' case was 'gross mis conduct' (if I remember correctly). 4) The apparent problems began with the appointment of David Burke as H of F Operations. 5) Before that, when Tony Bloom was dealing directly with Gus things seemed to be working more smoothly. 6) We were losing too much money and I believe that Paul Barber was brought in to address that situation by increasing revenue and cutting costs. 7) Great strides seem to have been made in that direction. However,, if we we're trying to cut costs, what is the cost saving by appointing a H of F when it's a nonsense position if the Chairman/CEO have a great working relationship with the coach and good lines of communication? The amounts of staff comings and goings at high level does not happen in a well run, happy, organization. I think it really is time for TB to be much more hands on and come out and at least acknowledge their mistakes, instead of blaming all and sundry. I think people respect that because it's honest and it shows great courage. And then he also needs to take swift action to correct it. Look back to see the common denominator as to when problems began and correct it. I think we all know when that was.....and it's not a personal vendetta as some on here have suggested. We simply need the right horses for courses, or round pegs in round holes. And QUICK! Because when you get high calibre people like Sami, Oscar and Gus, who've been involved in top notch clubs and top notch administrators like they all have, AND, they're relatively financially secure - they will not hang around and have their reputations tarnished because of lesser abilities above them.[/p][/quote]I see where you're coming from but the point of the set up is that the CEO looks after the business side of the club, and the DoF looks after the playing side with, as I understand it, a reporting line to theCEO? The CEO at a well run club can't be expected to be hands on in all areas, so the DoF fills a gap and the position is almost impossible to do without. The question is whether putting extra layers into the system is making life easier or is actually adding extra blockages? If a system is truly in place whereby SH is hands on too, you've now got 4 people, three of whom are hell bent on preserving their own positions, who all need to be convinced that signing Fred Carno from Farsley Celtic is worth the outlay. As someone once said; "it's complicated" and, while i remain patient, I'm not sure it's as efficient as it should be. It works elsewhere, but the evidence suggests that somewhere in the set up, we're not completely aligned?[/p][/quote]Thank you AiS. I always respect others' posts and I appreciate the points you make. The one statement that the position of D o F is 'almost impossible to do without' I do question. Is it purely a coincidence that the very best run clubs I know of in our English set up all insist on not having that position. Liverpool, Arsenal and Man United? I also think it's a little hopeful to believe that only those three are 'hell bent on preserving their own positions'. I think anyone who comes from fear of the future and who feels insecure within themselves and in what they are doing will be 'hell bent on preserving their own position'. And I think the game, generally, is full of fear. Fear of losing, fear of being relegated, fear of losing crowds, fear of conceding goals etc etc etc. That's why I like brave, no nonsense people running our club from top to bottom. I truly believe that Sami is a really good and decent guy and everyone who has worked with him echoes those sentiments. And I also get the feeling that our top guys prefer people who are more compliant and willing to say the right things. I think Nathan fits their bill completely as it was they, and no manager, who appointed him. Just as an aside....there's a lovely you tube send up of Louis Van Gaal talking about the reason for his success is because of the size of his b****! It's really amusing AND has a lot of truth in it. Nice to lighten up any discussion. I like our manager to be that type....and I like our executives to like that type......and am concerned they may not![/p][/quote]I'll check the You Tube clip later! DoF is a pretty emotive debate and it's pretty clear to me there's no right or wrong answer! I think it's merit depends on an individual's point of view. Interestingly, Liverpool did once have a DoF, and there have been stories of reasonably eminent football people recently imploring Arsenal and Man Utd to appoint one. Equally, there are others who say the set up at places like Tottenham is a complete shambles! Up here, WBA have operated with one for many seasons and their example might be the closest to some semblance of an answer to the conundrum. When Roy Hodgson joined them, they already had Dan Ashworth in as DoF. When Hodgson left for England, he took Ashworth with him - clearly a level of trust and mutual respect had developed between the two. So my point is that perhaps the question is not so much about whether we should have a DoF, but rather that if it's considered a necessary part of the set up, the vital ingredient is the personalities involved? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 4

10:16am Mon 28 Jul 14

AlanDuffy says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
MHubbs wrote:
Hyypia told The Argus: “I think we have enough to get 11 players on the pitch when the season starts but if we can’t get everyone in who we would like to get it’s not a disaster but it’s not an ideal situation either.


Now I would say that is a disaster!
I would agree it's not a 'disaster' as that's a big word taken in the context of worldly events. However, I do believe it is an indication that there is something not running well at our club.

What continues to amaze me is that it seems to take so long before Tony Bloom recognizes where the problems lie, or even that there is a problem.

A lot of people get stick on this site if they post their concerns and that's their right - however, if we simply only stay with FACTS then it is not a personal thing - just facts.

1) We have lost two highly successful managers in two years for whatever reason.
2) No one publicly has ever fully explained the real reasons.
3) in both cases it was presented as being the 'fault' of each manager. With TB 'blaming' Oscar's lack of communication, limited knowledge of English etc as one of the reasons and Gus' case was 'gross mis conduct' (if I remember correctly).
4) The apparent problems began with the appointment of David Burke as H of F Operations.
5) Before that, when Tony Bloom was dealing directly with Gus things seemed to be working more smoothly.
6) We were losing too much money and I believe that Paul Barber was brought in to address that situation by increasing revenue and cutting costs.
7) Great strides seem to have been made in that direction.

However,, if we we're trying to cut costs, what is the cost saving by appointing a H of F when it's a nonsense position if the Chairman/CEO have a great working relationship with the coach and good lines of communication?

The amounts of staff comings and goings at high level does not happen in a well run, happy, organization.

I think it really is time for TB to be much more hands on and come out and at least acknowledge their mistakes, instead of blaming all and sundry. I think people respect that because it's honest and it shows great courage. And then he also needs to take swift action to correct it.

Look back to see the common denominator as to when problems began and correct it. I think we all know when that was.....and it's not a personal vendetta as some on here have suggested.

We simply need the right horses for courses, or round pegs in round holes. And QUICK!

Because when you get high calibre people like Sami, Oscar and Gus, who've been involved in top notch clubs and top notch administrators like they all have, AND, they're relatively financially secure - they will not hang around and have their reputations tarnished because of lesser abilities above them.
I see where you're coming from but the point of the set up is that the CEO looks after the business side of the club, and the DoF looks after the playing side with, as I understand it, a reporting line to theCEO? The CEO at a well run club can't be expected to be hands on in all areas, so the DoF fills a gap and the position is almost impossible to do without.
The question is whether putting extra layers into the system is making life easier or is actually adding extra blockages?
If a system is truly in place whereby SH is hands on too, you've now got 4 people, three of whom are hell bent on preserving their own positions, who all need to be convinced that signing Fred Carno from Farsley Celtic is worth the outlay.
As someone once said; "it's complicated" and, while i remain patient, I'm not sure it's as efficient as it should be. It works elsewhere, but the evidence suggests that somewhere in the set up, we're not completely aligned?
Who's this lad Carno?? Any good?
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MHubbs[/bold] wrote: Hyypia told The Argus: “I think we have enough to get 11 players on the pitch when the season starts but if we can’t get everyone in who we would like to get it’s not a disaster but it’s not an ideal situation either. Now I would say that is a disaster![/p][/quote]I would agree it's not a 'disaster' as that's a big word taken in the context of worldly events. However, I do believe it is an indication that there is something not running well at our club. What continues to amaze me is that it seems to take so long before Tony Bloom recognizes where the problems lie, or even that there is a problem. A lot of people get stick on this site if they post their concerns and that's their right - however, if we simply only stay with FACTS then it is not a personal thing - just facts. 1) We have lost two highly successful managers in two years for whatever reason. 2) No one publicly has ever fully explained the real reasons. 3) in both cases it was presented as being the 'fault' of each manager. With TB 'blaming' Oscar's lack of communication, limited knowledge of English etc as one of the reasons and Gus' case was 'gross mis conduct' (if I remember correctly). 4) The apparent problems began with the appointment of David Burke as H of F Operations. 5) Before that, when Tony Bloom was dealing directly with Gus things seemed to be working more smoothly. 6) We were losing too much money and I believe that Paul Barber was brought in to address that situation by increasing revenue and cutting costs. 7) Great strides seem to have been made in that direction. However,, if we we're trying to cut costs, what is the cost saving by appointing a H of F when it's a nonsense position if the Chairman/CEO have a great working relationship with the coach and good lines of communication? The amounts of staff comings and goings at high level does not happen in a well run, happy, organization. I think it really is time for TB to be much more hands on and come out and at least acknowledge their mistakes, instead of blaming all and sundry. I think people respect that because it's honest and it shows great courage. And then he also needs to take swift action to correct it. Look back to see the common denominator as to when problems began and correct it. I think we all know when that was.....and it's not a personal vendetta as some on here have suggested. We simply need the right horses for courses, or round pegs in round holes. And QUICK! Because when you get high calibre people like Sami, Oscar and Gus, who've been involved in top notch clubs and top notch administrators like they all have, AND, they're relatively financially secure - they will not hang around and have their reputations tarnished because of lesser abilities above them.[/p][/quote]I see where you're coming from but the point of the set up is that the CEO looks after the business side of the club, and the DoF looks after the playing side with, as I understand it, a reporting line to theCEO? The CEO at a well run club can't be expected to be hands on in all areas, so the DoF fills a gap and the position is almost impossible to do without. The question is whether putting extra layers into the system is making life easier or is actually adding extra blockages? If a system is truly in place whereby SH is hands on too, you've now got 4 people, three of whom are hell bent on preserving their own positions, who all need to be convinced that signing Fred Carno from Farsley Celtic is worth the outlay. As someone once said; "it's complicated" and, while i remain patient, I'm not sure it's as efficient as it should be. It works elsewhere, but the evidence suggests that somewhere in the set up, we're not completely aligned?[/p][/quote]Who's this lad Carno?? Any good? AlanDuffy
  • Score: 3

10:18am Mon 28 Jul 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Like most fans I'm not entirely happy at what's going on but I'm not all doom and gloom either. Burnley sold their talisman Charlie Austin to QPR
and they still went up. Speaking to QPR fans at the Amex last season they were very critical of what was happening at their club, yet they still managed to get up. Harry R gambled hugely last year and it paid off....just.
If our Bobby hadn't scored for them in the play off final they'd be in deep doo doo now!
I think we need to be patient because we must trust the suits to do the right thing. In football you can go from hero to zero very quickly but it can so easily go the other way just as quick.
If we sign a couple of good players in the next week I'm sure the atmosphere will change.
Just get behind the club, Sami and the players. We have our part to play and negativity won't accomplish anything. UTA
Like most fans I'm not entirely happy at what's going on but I'm not all doom and gloom either. Burnley sold their talisman Charlie Austin to QPR and they still went up. Speaking to QPR fans at the Amex last season they were very critical of what was happening at their club, yet they still managed to get up. Harry R gambled hugely last year and it paid off....just. If our Bobby hadn't scored for them in the play off final they'd be in deep doo doo now! I think we need to be patient because we must trust the suits to do the right thing. In football you can go from hero to zero very quickly but it can so easily go the other way just as quick. If we sign a couple of good players in the next week I'm sure the atmosphere will change. Just get behind the club, Sami and the players. We have our part to play and negativity won't accomplish anything. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 4

10:18am Mon 28 Jul 14

Kit Napier's Beard says...

Conelli98 wrote:
kipper12 wrote:
to say i'm worried is an understatement !!! yes we have a great stadium , great training facilities ( thanks TB ) , so why is it that we are struggling to attract decent players ???? one sunday paper yesterday commented that apparently at one championship club there is a massive fall out between the chairman and the director of football !! that is why the signing of players isnt happening as expected !!!! could that be us ?
i think its now time for the board to come to press and be upfront with the supporters and let us know what is really happening !!!
Well if it is us and it could be one of Leeds, Blackpool or Brighton, then the simple solution is for Tony to sack the bloody numpty. Surely he has enough nouse to put a few deals through himself. Who needs a director of football when you've got the experience of Hypia anyway? Let Hypia go get his no2 and let him make his signings with Blooms blessing and no one else's !
Great posting
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kipper12[/bold] wrote: to say i'm worried is an understatement !!! yes we have a great stadium , great training facilities ( thanks TB ) , so why is it that we are struggling to attract decent players ???? one sunday paper yesterday commented that apparently at one championship club there is a massive fall out between the chairman and the director of football !! that is why the signing of players isnt happening as expected !!!! could that be us ? i think its now time for the board to come to press and be upfront with the supporters and let us know what is really happening !!![/p][/quote]Well if it is us and it could be one of Leeds, Blackpool or Brighton, then the simple solution is for Tony to sack the bloody numpty. Surely he has enough nouse to put a few deals through himself. Who needs a director of football when you've got the experience of Hypia anyway? Let Hypia go get his no2 and let him make his signings with Blooms blessing and no one else's ![/p][/quote]Great posting Kit Napier's Beard
  • Score: 0

10:18am Mon 28 Jul 14

Kit Napier's Beard says...

Conelli98 wrote:
kipper12 wrote:
to say i'm worried is an understatement !!! yes we have a great stadium , great training facilities ( thanks TB ) , so why is it that we are struggling to attract decent players ???? one sunday paper yesterday commented that apparently at one championship club there is a massive fall out between the chairman and the director of football !! that is why the signing of players isnt happening as expected !!!! could that be us ?
i think its now time for the board to come to press and be upfront with the supporters and let us know what is really happening !!!
Well if it is us and it could be one of Leeds, Blackpool or Brighton, then the simple solution is for Tony to sack the bloody numpty. Surely he has enough nouse to put a few deals through himself. Who needs a director of football when you've got the experience of Hypia anyway? Let Hypia go get his no2 and let him make his signings with Blooms blessing and no one else's !
Great posting
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kipper12[/bold] wrote: to say i'm worried is an understatement !!! yes we have a great stadium , great training facilities ( thanks TB ) , so why is it that we are struggling to attract decent players ???? one sunday paper yesterday commented that apparently at one championship club there is a massive fall out between the chairman and the director of football !! that is why the signing of players isnt happening as expected !!!! could that be us ? i think its now time for the board to come to press and be upfront with the supporters and let us know what is really happening !!![/p][/quote]Well if it is us and it could be one of Leeds, Blackpool or Brighton, then the simple solution is for Tony to sack the bloody numpty. Surely he has enough nouse to put a few deals through himself. Who needs a director of football when you've got the experience of Hypia anyway? Let Hypia go get his no2 and let him make his signings with Blooms blessing and no one else's ![/p][/quote]Great posting Kit Napier's Beard
  • Score: 0

10:18am Mon 28 Jul 14

Kit Napier's Beard says...

Conelli98 wrote:
kipper12 wrote:
to say i'm worried is an understatement !!! yes we have a great stadium , great training facilities ( thanks TB ) , so why is it that we are struggling to attract decent players ???? one sunday paper yesterday commented that apparently at one championship club there is a massive fall out between the chairman and the director of football !! that is why the signing of players isnt happening as expected !!!! could that be us ?
i think its now time for the board to come to press and be upfront with the supporters and let us know what is really happening !!!
Well if it is us and it could be one of Leeds, Blackpool or Brighton, then the simple solution is for Tony to sack the bloody numpty. Surely he has enough nouse to put a few deals through himself. Who needs a director of football when you've got the experience of Hypia anyway? Let Hypia go get his no2 and let him make his signings with Blooms blessing and no one else's !
Great posting
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kipper12[/bold] wrote: to say i'm worried is an understatement !!! yes we have a great stadium , great training facilities ( thanks TB ) , so why is it that we are struggling to attract decent players ???? one sunday paper yesterday commented that apparently at one championship club there is a massive fall out between the chairman and the director of football !! that is why the signing of players isnt happening as expected !!!! could that be us ? i think its now time for the board to come to press and be upfront with the supporters and let us know what is really happening !!![/p][/quote]Well if it is us and it could be one of Leeds, Blackpool or Brighton, then the simple solution is for Tony to sack the bloody numpty. Surely he has enough nouse to put a few deals through himself. Who needs a director of football when you've got the experience of Hypia anyway? Let Hypia go get his no2 and let him make his signings with Blooms blessing and no one else's ![/p][/quote]Great posting Kit Napier's Beard
  • Score: -2

10:29am Mon 28 Jul 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

The season is in meltdown before it's begun - congrats to all involved !
The season is in meltdown before it's begun - congrats to all involved ! B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 4

10:33am Mon 28 Jul 14

pte says...

It looks like Sami is preparing for the possibility of no new additions by the start of the season.

By what he says he can just about put a team out in the hope that the cavalry will arrive by the end of august when the window shuts.

That's fine just so long as the cavalry does arrive in time and it doesn't end up like the Alamo or the Battle of the Little Big Horn

Sami has the blonde hair but isnt quite as long as colonel Custer's was
It looks like Sami is preparing for the possibility of no new additions by the start of the season. By what he says he can just about put a team out in the hope that the cavalry will arrive by the end of august when the window shuts. That's fine just so long as the cavalry does arrive in time and it doesn't end up like the Alamo or the Battle of the Little Big Horn Sami has the blonde hair but isnt quite as long as colonel Custer's was pte
  • Score: 2

10:34am Mon 28 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

It would seem another of Gus choices is coming back to haunt Burke ,
Van dyyke iis on his way to Southampton. For 9 million with add ons,
Sometimes speculate and back the manager rather than listening to a man in a suit would have put us in the premier league in my opinion,
Whatever people say about Gus , he did a fantastic job here and performed a miracle at Sunderland..
It would seem another of Gus choices is coming back to haunt Burke , Van dyyke iis on his way to Southampton. For 9 million with add ons, Sometimes speculate and back the manager rather than listening to a man in a suit would have put us in the premier league in my opinion, Whatever people say about Gus , he did a fantastic job here and performed a miracle at Sunderland.. mark by the sea
  • Score: 11

10:49am Mon 28 Jul 14

pte says...

If no new players are signed then the forum might get canceled.

If it goes ahead, it will be difficult to put TB, PB & DB on the spot as they will have their well rehearsed platitudes and sound bites ready.

However, if the questions are put to Sami you might get more of a response and thereby cause the suits some discomforture
If no new players are signed then the forum might get canceled. If it goes ahead, it will be difficult to put TB, PB & DB on the spot as they will have their well rehearsed platitudes and sound bites ready. However, if the questions are put to Sami you might get more of a response and thereby cause the suits some discomforture pte
  • Score: 2

11:04am Mon 28 Jul 14

tug509 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
It would seem another of Gus choices is coming back to haunt Burke ,
Van dyyke iis on his way to Southampton. For 9 million with add ons,
Sometimes speculate and back the manager rather than listening to a man in a suit would have put us in the premier league in my opinion,
Whatever people say about Gus , he did a fantastic job here and performed a miracle at Sunderland..
Well said Mark ,
for me it is very simple ,think back to before Burke came to us ,we were doing great ,good football ,attracting good players and GP was going to get us promoted ,we went ahead with the additional seats ahead of schedule because of great STs and all round attendances . Then he appeared ,immediately p****d GP off ,and all the current problems with new signings started .
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: It would seem another of Gus choices is coming back to haunt Burke , Van dyyke iis on his way to Southampton. For 9 million with add ons, Sometimes speculate and back the manager rather than listening to a man in a suit would have put us in the premier league in my opinion, Whatever people say about Gus , he did a fantastic job here and performed a miracle at Sunderland..[/p][/quote]Well said Mark , for me it is very simple ,think back to before Burke came to us ,we were doing great ,good football ,attracting good players and GP was going to get us promoted ,we went ahead with the additional seats ahead of schedule because of great STs and all round attendances . Then he appeared ,immediately p****d GP off ,and all the current problems with new signings started . tug509
  • Score: 6

11:11am Mon 28 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
It would seem another of Gus choices is coming back to haunt Burke ,
Van dyyke iis on his way to Southampton. For 9 million with add ons,
Sometimes speculate and back the manager rather than listening to a man in a suit would have put us in the premier league in my opinion,
Whatever people say about Gus , he did a fantastic job here and performed a miracle at Sunderland..
He was never going to come here. His club didn't want to let him go until the season's end and then Celtic came in with the promise of Champions League. VvD never stated convincingly that he wanted to join us, but he still gets held up as a false example of Burke's incompetence. Still, I'm not sure how a transfer to Southampton will haunt Burke? It's not like we're going to play them competitively this season.

Before anyone has a go at me yes, I am disappointed by the lack of incoming players, but I also have faith that Tony Bloom is doing the right thing for the club. Our long term future is far more important to me than this season's promotion prospects.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: It would seem another of Gus choices is coming back to haunt Burke , Van dyyke iis on his way to Southampton. For 9 million with add ons, Sometimes speculate and back the manager rather than listening to a man in a suit would have put us in the premier league in my opinion, Whatever people say about Gus , he did a fantastic job here and performed a miracle at Sunderland..[/p][/quote]He was never going to come here. His club didn't want to let him go until the season's end and then Celtic came in with the promise of Champions League. VvD never stated convincingly that he wanted to join us, but he still gets held up as a false example of Burke's incompetence. Still, I'm not sure how a transfer to Southampton will haunt Burke? It's not like we're going to play them competitively this season. Before anyone has a go at me yes, I am disappointed by the lack of incoming players, but I also have faith that Tony Bloom is doing the right thing for the club. Our long term future is far more important to me than this season's promotion prospects. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

11:17am Mon 28 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

tug509 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
It would seem another of Gus choices is coming back to haunt Burke ,
Van dyyke iis on his way to Southampton. For 9 million with add ons,
Sometimes speculate and back the manager rather than listening to a man in a suit would have put us in the premier league in my opinion,
Whatever people say about Gus , he did a fantastic job here and performed a miracle at Sunderland..
Well said Mark ,
for me it is very simple ,think back to before Burke came to us ,we were doing great ,good football ,attracting good players and GP was going to get us promoted ,we went ahead with the additional seats ahead of schedule because of great STs and all round attendances . Then he appeared ,immediately p****d GP off ,and all the current problems with new signings started .
And we were losing money hand over fist. We gambled on going up, Gus ballsed-up the play-offs and things had to be reined in because of ffp. Burke is surely only doing Bloom's bidding, isn't he? DB may not be the best DOF in the world - we have no way of knowing - but it's just possible he is the best we can get at our level.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: It would seem another of Gus choices is coming back to haunt Burke , Van dyyke iis on his way to Southampton. For 9 million with add ons, Sometimes speculate and back the manager rather than listening to a man in a suit would have put us in the premier league in my opinion, Whatever people say about Gus , he did a fantastic job here and performed a miracle at Sunderland..[/p][/quote]Well said Mark , for me it is very simple ,think back to before Burke came to us ,we were doing great ,good football ,attracting good players and GP was going to get us promoted ,we went ahead with the additional seats ahead of schedule because of great STs and all round attendances . Then he appeared ,immediately p****d GP off ,and all the current problems with new signings started .[/p][/quote]And we were losing money hand over fist. We gambled on going up, Gus ballsed-up the play-offs and things had to be reined in because of ffp. Burke is surely only doing Bloom's bidding, isn't he? DB may not be the best DOF in the world - we have no way of knowing - but it's just possible he is the best we can get at our level. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

11:28am Mon 28 Jul 14

twonk says...

A great stadium and a new training facility are all very well but not if we get relegated.
A great stadium and a new training facility are all very well but not if we get relegated. twonk
  • Score: 0

11:39am Mon 28 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
It would seem another of Gus choices is coming back to haunt Burke ,
Van dyyke iis on his way to Southampton. For 9 million with add ons,
Sometimes speculate and back the manager rather than listening to a man in a suit would have put us in the premier league in my opinion,
Whatever people say about Gus , he did a fantastic job here and performed a miracle at Sunderland..
Well said Mark ,
for me it is very simple ,think back to before Burke came to us ,we were doing great ,good football ,attracting good players and GP was going to get us promoted ,we went ahead with the additional seats ahead of schedule because of great STs and all round attendances . Then he appeared ,immediately p****d GP off ,and all the current problems with new signings started .
And we were losing money hand over fist. We gambled on going up, Gus ballsed-up the play-offs and things had to be reined in because of ffp. Burke is surely only doing Bloom's bidding, isn't he? DB may not be the best DOF in the world - we have no way of knowing - but it's just possible he is the best we can get at our level.
Burke ballsed up the POs you mean ,until DB arrived at Brighton ,GP was happy and balanced ,and was regularly talking with TB about signings and where the club was headed , everyone knows GP hated the thought of DB at the club ,and Gus`s demeanour changed ,and along with it the second leg against palace . And ffp had diddly squat to do with it ,as for DB not being the best DOF in the world ,no kidding ! whatever reasons were behind his exits at 3 different Prem clubs in 4 years ,it certainly wasn`t because he was so dammed good .
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: It would seem another of Gus choices is coming back to haunt Burke , Van dyyke iis on his way to Southampton. For 9 million with add ons, Sometimes speculate and back the manager rather than listening to a man in a suit would have put us in the premier league in my opinion, Whatever people say about Gus , he did a fantastic job here and performed a miracle at Sunderland..[/p][/quote]Well said Mark , for me it is very simple ,think back to before Burke came to us ,we were doing great ,good football ,attracting good players and GP was going to get us promoted ,we went ahead with the additional seats ahead of schedule because of great STs and all round attendances . Then he appeared ,immediately p****d GP off ,and all the current problems with new signings started .[/p][/quote]And we were losing money hand over fist. We gambled on going up, Gus ballsed-up the play-offs and things had to be reined in because of ffp. Burke is surely only doing Bloom's bidding, isn't he? DB may not be the best DOF in the world - we have no way of knowing - but it's just possible he is the best we can get at our level.[/p][/quote]Burke ballsed up the POs you mean ,until DB arrived at Brighton ,GP was happy and balanced ,and was regularly talking with TB about signings and where the club was headed , everyone knows GP hated the thought of DB at the club ,and Gus`s demeanour changed ,and along with it the second leg against palace . And ffp had diddly squat to do with it ,as for DB not being the best DOF in the world ,no kidding ! whatever reasons were behind his exits at 3 different Prem clubs in 4 years ,it certainly wasn`t because he was so dammed good . tug509
  • Score: 3

11:40am Mon 28 Jul 14

TheWerewolf says...

mark by the sea wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
championshipgull wrote:
Not Ideal but very pleased with the choice of new Manager and high expectations we will get some quality replacements in over the next few weeks, from the incredible fee we got for Ulloa and with the new training facilities coming into operation, an exciting season ahead .I’ve been supporting the club for over 30 years and we are in the best shape I have seen us in (I shudder now when I think back to lodging at Gillingham). Fantastic input from Tony Bloom to put us on an ever increasing upward journey.
Morning great post mate,
A lot off people have short memories on here, like you say going to Gillingham for every home game not great but we went there, withdean the same but brought us back home, if you read some off the posts on here you would think we haven't moved on over the years, perhaps they are expecting to much without actually thinking how hard it is to get out off this league, like you say players will arrive when we have found the right player at a price we can afford, I for one can't wait for the season to start,
Up the Albion!!
Players we can afford? We have 12 million in bank from sales, 21000 season tickets sold.. We need to have ambition beyond FFP ,
I don't want to see us spend silly money, but we must meet fans expectations , or next season will be a half empty stadium.
half empty with 22k season tickets already sold?! doesn't add up....
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: Not Ideal but very pleased with the choice of new Manager and high expectations we will get some quality replacements in over the next few weeks, from the incredible fee we got for Ulloa and with the new training facilities coming into operation, an exciting season ahead .I’ve been supporting the club for over 30 years and we are in the best shape I have seen us in (I shudder now when I think back to lodging at Gillingham). Fantastic input from Tony Bloom to put us on an ever increasing upward journey.[/p][/quote]Morning great post mate, A lot off people have short memories on here, like you say going to Gillingham for every home game not great but we went there, withdean the same but brought us back home, if you read some off the posts on here you would think we haven't moved on over the years, perhaps they are expecting to much without actually thinking how hard it is to get out off this league, like you say players will arrive when we have found the right player at a price we can afford, I for one can't wait for the season to start, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Players we can afford? We have 12 million in bank from sales, 21000 season tickets sold.. We need to have ambition beyond FFP , I don't want to see us spend silly money, but we must meet fans expectations , or next season will be a half empty stadium.[/p][/quote]half empty with 22k season tickets already sold?! doesn't add up.... TheWerewolf
  • Score: 2

12:00pm Mon 28 Jul 14

seagulltess says...

Can people stop going on about when we were at Gillingham and when we were playing at Withdean:short memories and all that. We do remember and we are grateful for the fantastic Amex but that was over 3 years ago and we do have to progress: that is why it bugs me that every pre season we are playing catch up. Our activity in the transfer market is nothing but a shambles. Garcia comes in late and with no new signings and awful injuries he still got us in the play offs. This year we get a new manager Hyppia in early: but we are still dragging our heals in trying to get new players in. With less than two weeks to go to the first league game we have sold our top striker: we have Stephens sidelined by a serious injury and are still in my opinion five players short. No goal keeper: no left back and in desperate need of a creative midfielder, a good winger and a very good striker. Without these we are destined for a very very hard season.
Can people stop going on about when we were at Gillingham and when we were playing at Withdean:short memories and all that. We do remember and we are grateful for the fantastic Amex but that was over 3 years ago and we do have to progress: that is why it bugs me that every pre season we are playing catch up. Our activity in the transfer market is nothing but a shambles. Garcia comes in late and with no new signings and awful injuries he still got us in the play offs. This year we get a new manager Hyppia in early: but we are still dragging our heals in trying to get new players in. With less than two weeks to go to the first league game we have sold our top striker: we have Stephens sidelined by a serious injury and are still in my opinion five players short. No goal keeper: no left back and in desperate need of a creative midfielder, a good winger and a very good striker. Without these we are destined for a very very hard season. seagulltess
  • Score: -3

12:02pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Asleep in Dorset says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
I heard from a non Albion friend talk sport gave the impression from various journalists that all is not well at the club, comments like " why did Garcia leave after a good season" and hyypia was not first choice after interviewing many candidates,
While we hear very little through the argus, the big newspapers get info from agents , players,managers .. It would seem the club are not perceived as a club well run,
OG had a list of targets , due to communication problems we did not understand , ! Lol .... What is the excuse now ?? Whatever sami is saying to the papers, he will no doubt be getting worried about his first job turning into a disaster, we have seen managers last 30-40 days in a job at other clubs, will he wait and hope things improve or realise he is in for a hiding and jump ship?
Sorry but there are no excuses anymore, players including loans should be bedded in to the squad,
I really hope we get our act together ASAP
I'm certainly not going to suggest everything is going according to plan, but I do thing the concept of a the club not being well run is all about perception.
The pundits, who normally only have have eye for the PL, probably regard a club that moves players around and spends bundles as being 'well run' from a football perspective. If you like, a fans' view. It's why they have regular love-ins with Harry and QPR.
What we have is a regime that is clearly intent on doing it differently with the intention that we don't self destruct in three years. It's not fun, it doesn't give the pundits much to talk about and their perception, as a consequence, is we're boring and doomed to mediocrity. The two things don't always go together.
It's very easy to read between the lines of SH's comments and see early - perhaps dangerous - frustration. But at the moment, I'm biting my lip and remaining patient.
I think we will sign a few before TB has to stand in front of fans at the forum, TB is not stupid, he knows how fickle fans can be, he also has 100m tied up here,
But I really think a season of rebuilding needs to be tempered with something to excite the fans, of all the players being mentioned as a replacement , Thomas Pekhart would fit the bill perfectly, ex spurs and Southampton centre forward, very powerful target man,
bit random, Tomas Pekhart ? Where did that come from ?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I heard from a non Albion friend talk sport gave the impression from various journalists that all is not well at the club, comments like " why did Garcia leave after a good season" and hyypia was not first choice after interviewing many candidates, While we hear very little through the argus, the big newspapers get info from agents , players,managers .. It would seem the club are not perceived as a club well run, OG had a list of targets , due to communication problems we did not understand , ! Lol .... What is the excuse now ?? Whatever sami is saying to the papers, he will no doubt be getting worried about his first job turning into a disaster, we have seen managers last 30-40 days in a job at other clubs, will he wait and hope things improve or realise he is in for a hiding and jump ship? Sorry but there are no excuses anymore, players including loans should be bedded in to the squad, I really hope we get our act together ASAP[/p][/quote]I'm certainly not going to suggest everything is going according to plan, but I do thing the concept of a the club not being well run is all about perception. The pundits, who normally only have have eye for the PL, probably regard a club that moves players around and spends bundles as being 'well run' from a football perspective. If you like, a fans' view. It's why they have regular love-ins with Harry and QPR. What we have is a regime that is clearly intent on doing it differently with the intention that we don't self destruct in three years. It's not fun, it doesn't give the pundits much to talk about and their perception, as a consequence, is we're boring and doomed to mediocrity. The two things don't always go together. It's very easy to read between the lines of SH's comments and see early - perhaps dangerous - frustration. But at the moment, I'm biting my lip and remaining patient.[/p][/quote]I think we will sign a few before TB has to stand in front of fans at the forum, TB is not stupid, he knows how fickle fans can be, he also has 100m tied up here, But I really think a season of rebuilding needs to be tempered with something to excite the fans, of all the players being mentioned as a replacement , Thomas Pekhart would fit the bill perfectly, ex spurs and Southampton centre forward, very powerful target man,[/p][/quote]bit random, Tomas Pekhart ? Where did that come from ? Asleep in Dorset
  • Score: 1

12:05pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
It would seem another of Gus choices is coming back to haunt Burke ,
Van dyyke iis on his way to Southampton. For 9 million with add ons,
Sometimes speculate and back the manager rather than listening to a man in a suit would have put us in the premier league in my opinion,
Whatever people say about Gus , he did a fantastic job here and performed a miracle at Sunderland..
Well said Mark ,
for me it is very simple ,think back to before Burke came to us ,we were doing great ,good football ,attracting good players and GP was going to get us promoted ,we went ahead with the additional seats ahead of schedule because of great STs and all round attendances . Then he appeared ,immediately p****d GP off ,and all the current problems with new signings started .
And we were losing money hand over fist. We gambled on going up, Gus ballsed-up the play-offs and things had to be reined in because of ffp. Burke is surely only doing Bloom's bidding, isn't he? DB may not be the best DOF in the world - we have no way of knowing - but it's just possible he is the best we can get at our level.
Burke ballsed up the POs you mean ,until DB arrived at Brighton ,GP was happy and balanced ,and was regularly talking with TB about signings and where the club was headed , everyone knows GP hated the thought of DB at the club ,and Gus`s demeanour changed ,and along with it the second leg against palace . And ffp had diddly squat to do with it ,as for DB not being the best DOF in the world ,no kidding ! whatever reasons were behind his exits at 3 different Prem clubs in 4 years ,it certainly wasn`t because he was so dammed good .
I can't see how Burke can be blamed for Gus' turning up a few minutes before the second leg. It was Gus that ballsed it up, no-one else. He has to shoulder the blame on his own. IT is just possible that that was one of the things behind his dismissal.

Gus is a megalomaniac, that it obvious. He is a control-freak. He is a very good manager - again of that there is no doubt - but he will never take kindly to being told something isn't possible. Just look at how many hissy fits he has thrown at Sunderland in the short time he's been there. (Gus has never been 'happy & balanced' at Brighton though - he was always spouting off to the media how he wanted to managed Leeds, or Chelsea, or anyone else in the Premier League!)

Also, generally, when Burke has moved from one club to another he has done so to a more senior position. Someone stated yesterday that Southampton were disappointed to lose him, so it's just possible he is more highly-regarded within the game than he is by the fans. The problem is - just like with the unwarranted vitriol than Nathan Jones received last season - that we just don't know what he is like or how good he is at his job. The only person who DOES know and whose opinion really counts is Tony Bloom. Why would he continue to employ someone who is incompetent?

This isn't just my defending Burke blindly though. He may have made mistakes, but my argument always boils down to the fact we shouldn't be crucifying the guy (or anyone else) on supposition and suggestion. If we have proof he's made bad mistakes THEN slate him. I will even join in :-D
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: It would seem another of Gus choices is coming back to haunt Burke , Van dyyke iis on his way to Southampton. For 9 million with add ons, Sometimes speculate and back the manager rather than listening to a man in a suit would have put us in the premier league in my opinion, Whatever people say about Gus , he did a fantastic job here and performed a miracle at Sunderland..[/p][/quote]Well said Mark , for me it is very simple ,think back to before Burke came to us ,we were doing great ,good football ,attracting good players and GP was going to get us promoted ,we went ahead with the additional seats ahead of schedule because of great STs and all round attendances . Then he appeared ,immediately p****d GP off ,and all the current problems with new signings started .[/p][/quote]And we were losing money hand over fist. We gambled on going up, Gus ballsed-up the play-offs and things had to be reined in because of ffp. Burke is surely only doing Bloom's bidding, isn't he? DB may not be the best DOF in the world - we have no way of knowing - but it's just possible he is the best we can get at our level.[/p][/quote]Burke ballsed up the POs you mean ,until DB arrived at Brighton ,GP was happy and balanced ,and was regularly talking with TB about signings and where the club was headed , everyone knows GP hated the thought of DB at the club ,and Gus`s demeanour changed ,and along with it the second leg against palace . And ffp had diddly squat to do with it ,as for DB not being the best DOF in the world ,no kidding ! whatever reasons were behind his exits at 3 different Prem clubs in 4 years ,it certainly wasn`t because he was so dammed good .[/p][/quote]I can't see how Burke can be blamed for Gus' turning up a few minutes before the second leg. It was Gus that ballsed it up, no-one else. He has to shoulder the blame on his own. IT is just possible that that was one of the things behind his dismissal. Gus is a megalomaniac, that it obvious. He is a control-freak. He is a very good manager - again of that there is no doubt - but he will never take kindly to being told something isn't possible. Just look at how many hissy fits he has thrown at Sunderland in the short time he's been there. (Gus has never been 'happy & balanced' at Brighton though - he was always spouting off to the media how he wanted to managed Leeds, or Chelsea, or anyone else in the Premier League!) Also, generally, when Burke has moved from one club to another he has done so to a more senior position. Someone stated yesterday that Southampton were disappointed to lose him, so it's just possible he is more highly-regarded within the game than he is by the fans. The problem is - just like with the unwarranted vitriol than Nathan Jones received last season - that we just don't know what he is like or how good he is at his job. The only person who DOES know and whose opinion really counts is Tony Bloom. Why would he continue to employ someone who is incompetent? This isn't just my defending Burke blindly though. He may have made mistakes, but my argument always boils down to the fact we shouldn't be crucifying the guy (or anyone else) on supposition and suggestion. If we have proof he's made bad mistakes THEN slate him. I will even join in :-D Cockwomble
  • Score: 6

12:13pm Mon 28 Jul 14

seagulltess says...

I would like to know the reasons for the lack of new players coming into the club. All we ever hear is excuses. Here we are less than two weeks away from the first league game and we barely have enough players to field a team. A serious injury to Stephens will restrict us from fielding him for some while. We sell our top striker for 8mill and can't afford to replace him. Maybe we are paying peanuts and we all know what you get for them. Play fair Albion and come clean: let us supporters know what is going on
I would like to know the reasons for the lack of new players coming into the club. All we ever hear is excuses. Here we are less than two weeks away from the first league game and we barely have enough players to field a team. A serious injury to Stephens will restrict us from fielding him for some while. We sell our top striker for 8mill and can't afford to replace him. Maybe we are paying peanuts and we all know what you get for them. Play fair Albion and come clean: let us supporters know what is going on seagulltess
  • Score: -3

12:21pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

Asleep in Dorset wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
I heard from a non Albion friend talk sport gave the impression from various journalists that all is not well at the club, comments like " why did Garcia leave after a good season" and hyypia was not first choice after interviewing many candidates,
While we hear very little through the argus, the big newspapers get info from agents , players,managers .. It would seem the club are not perceived as a club well run,
OG had a list of targets , due to communication problems we did not understand , ! Lol .... What is the excuse now ?? Whatever sami is saying to the papers, he will no doubt be getting worried about his first job turning into a disaster, we have seen managers last 30-40 days in a job at other clubs, will he wait and hope things improve or realise he is in for a hiding and jump ship?
Sorry but there are no excuses anymore, players including loans should be bedded in to the squad,
I really hope we get our act together ASAP
I'm certainly not going to suggest everything is going according to plan, but I do thing the concept of a the club not being well run is all about perception.
The pundits, who normally only have have eye for the PL, probably regard a club that moves players around and spends bundles as being 'well run' from a football perspective. If you like, a fans' view. It's why they have regular love-ins with Harry and QPR.
What we have is a regime that is clearly intent on doing it differently with the intention that we don't self destruct in three years. It's not fun, it doesn't give the pundits much to talk about and their perception, as a consequence, is we're boring and doomed to mediocrity. The two things don't always go together.
It's very easy to read between the lines of SH's comments and see early - perhaps dangerous - frustration. But at the moment, I'm biting my lip and remaining patient.
I think we will sign a few before TB has to stand in front of fans at the forum, TB is not stupid, he knows how fickle fans can be, he also has 100m tied up here,
But I really think a season of rebuilding needs to be tempered with something to excite the fans, of all the players being mentioned as a replacement , Thomas Pekhart would fit the bill perfectly, ex spurs and Southampton centre forward, very powerful target man,
bit random, Tomas Pekhart ? Where did that come from ?
FIFA 14 I guess... ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Asleep in Dorset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: I heard from a non Albion friend talk sport gave the impression from various journalists that all is not well at the club, comments like " why did Garcia leave after a good season" and hyypia was not first choice after interviewing many candidates, While we hear very little through the argus, the big newspapers get info from agents , players,managers .. It would seem the club are not perceived as a club well run, OG had a list of targets , due to communication problems we did not understand , ! Lol .... What is the excuse now ?? Whatever sami is saying to the papers, he will no doubt be getting worried about his first job turning into a disaster, we have seen managers last 30-40 days in a job at other clubs, will he wait and hope things improve or realise he is in for a hiding and jump ship? Sorry but there are no excuses anymore, players including loans should be bedded in to the squad, I really hope we get our act together ASAP[/p][/quote]I'm certainly not going to suggest everything is going according to plan, but I do thing the concept of a the club not being well run is all about perception. The pundits, who normally only have have eye for the PL, probably regard a club that moves players around and spends bundles as being 'well run' from a football perspective. If you like, a fans' view. It's why they have regular love-ins with Harry and QPR. What we have is a regime that is clearly intent on doing it differently with the intention that we don't self destruct in three years. It's not fun, it doesn't give the pundits much to talk about and their perception, as a consequence, is we're boring and doomed to mediocrity. The two things don't always go together. It's very easy to read between the lines of SH's comments and see early - perhaps dangerous - frustration. But at the moment, I'm biting my lip and remaining patient.[/p][/quote]I think we will sign a few before TB has to stand in front of fans at the forum, TB is not stupid, he knows how fickle fans can be, he also has 100m tied up here, But I really think a season of rebuilding needs to be tempered with something to excite the fans, of all the players being mentioned as a replacement , Thomas Pekhart would fit the bill perfectly, ex spurs and Southampton centre forward, very powerful target man,[/p][/quote]bit random, Tomas Pekhart ? Where did that come from ?[/p][/quote]FIFA 14 I guess... ;-) Cockwomble
  • Score: 3

12:23pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

Tomas Perkhart - 14 goals in 85 games at Nuremberg. Barely even worth worth a trial...
Tomas Perkhart - 14 goals in 85 games at Nuremberg. Barely even worth worth a trial... Cockwomble
  • Score: 5

12:31pm Mon 28 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Cockwomble wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
tug509 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
It would seem another of Gus choices is coming back to haunt Burke ,
Van dyyke iis on his way to Southampton. For 9 million with add ons,
Sometimes speculate and back the manager rather than listening to a man in a suit would have put us in the premier league in my opinion,
Whatever people say about Gus , he did a fantastic job here and performed a miracle at Sunderland..
Well said Mark ,
for me it is very simple ,think back to before Burke came to us ,we were doing great ,good football ,attracting good players and GP was going to get us promoted ,we went ahead with the additional seats ahead of schedule because of great STs and all round attendances . Then he appeared ,immediately p****d GP off ,and all the current problems with new signings started .
And we were losing money hand over fist. We gambled on going up, Gus ballsed-up the play-offs and things had to be reined in because of ffp. Burke is surely only doing Bloom's bidding, isn't he? DB may not be the best DOF in the world - we have no way of knowing - but it's just possible he is the best we can get at our level.
Burke ballsed up the POs you mean ,until DB arrived at Brighton ,GP was happy and balanced ,and was regularly talking with TB about signings and where the club was headed , everyone knows GP hated the thought of DB at the club ,and Gus`s demeanour changed ,and along with it the second leg against palace . And ffp had diddly squat to do with it ,as for DB not being the best DOF in the world ,no kidding ! whatever reasons were behind his exits at 3 different Prem clubs in 4 years ,it certainly wasn`t because he was so dammed good .
I can't see how Burke can be blamed for Gus' turning up a few minutes before the second leg. It was Gus that ballsed it up, no-one else. He has to shoulder the blame on his own. IT is just possible that that was one of the things behind his dismissal.

Gus is a megalomaniac, that it obvious. He is a control-freak. He is a very good manager - again of that there is no doubt - but he will never take kindly to being told something isn't possible. Just look at how many hissy fits he has thrown at Sunderland in the short time he's been there. (Gus has never been 'happy & balanced' at Brighton though - he was always spouting off to the media how he wanted to managed Leeds, or Chelsea, or anyone else in the Premier League!)

Also, generally, when Burke has moved from one club to another he has done so to a more senior position. Someone stated yesterday that Southampton were disappointed to lose him, so it's just possible he is more highly-regarded within the game than he is by the fans. The problem is - just like with the unwarranted vitriol than Nathan Jones received last season - that we just don't know what he is like or how good he is at his job. The only person who DOES know and whose opinion really counts is Tony Bloom. Why would he continue to employ someone who is incompetent?

This isn't just my defending Burke blindly though. He may have made mistakes, but my argument always boils down to the fact we shouldn't be crucifying the guy (or anyone else) on supposition and suggestion. If we have proof he's made bad mistakes THEN slate him. I will even join in :-D
I think it`s fair to say that GP is one of those infuriating genius`s ,full of self belief and knows all the answers ,but you cant argue with what he achieved with us or S,land . I called him every name under the sun ,and even invented one or two after the palace defeat ,and there is no excuse for his behaviour ,but if you except that we react to the situations we are in ,you may see that he changed drastically after DB arrived ,he was dealing directly with The Boss ,now all of a sudden ,he has to got through a man that he did not like from the start ,to ask cap in hand ,at least in his mind from what we saw ,for any new signings ,and DB ,a man with no real football background ,had the power to say no . GP drove us all mad with his touting himself to other clubs in interviews ,but I honestly believe ,that if DB had not been brought in till the new season we would have battered palace in the second leg and gone on to promotion against Watford at Wembley .
There is only one thing to ask yourself ,when did all this start ? .
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: It would seem another of Gus choices is coming back to haunt Burke , Van dyyke iis on his way to Southampton. For 9 million with add ons, Sometimes speculate and back the manager rather than listening to a man in a suit would have put us in the premier league in my opinion, Whatever people say about Gus , he did a fantastic job here and performed a miracle at Sunderland..[/p][/quote]Well said Mark , for me it is very simple ,think back to before Burke came to us ,we were doing great ,good football ,attracting good players and GP was going to get us promoted ,we went ahead with the additional seats ahead of schedule because of great STs and all round attendances . Then he appeared ,immediately p****d GP off ,and all the current problems with new signings started .[/p][/quote]And we were losing money hand over fist. We gambled on going up, Gus ballsed-up the play-offs and things had to be reined in because of ffp. Burke is surely only doing Bloom's bidding, isn't he? DB may not be the best DOF in the world - we have no way of knowing - but it's just possible he is the best we can get at our level.[/p][/quote]Burke ballsed up the POs you mean ,until DB arrived at Brighton ,GP was happy and balanced ,and was regularly talking with TB about signings and where the club was headed , everyone knows GP hated the thought of DB at the club ,and Gus`s demeanour changed ,and along with it the second leg against palace . And ffp had diddly squat to do with it ,as for DB not being the best DOF in the world ,no kidding ! whatever reasons were behind his exits at 3 different Prem clubs in 4 years ,it certainly wasn`t because he was so dammed good .[/p][/quote]I can't see how Burke can be blamed for Gus' turning up a few minutes before the second leg. It was Gus that ballsed it up, no-one else. He has to shoulder the blame on his own. IT is just possible that that was one of the things behind his dismissal. Gus is a megalomaniac, that it obvious. He is a control-freak. He is a very good manager - again of that there is no doubt - but he will never take kindly to being told something isn't possible. Just look at how many hissy fits he has thrown at Sunderland in the short time he's been there. (Gus has never been 'happy & balanced' at Brighton though - he was always spouting off to the media how he wanted to managed Leeds, or Chelsea, or anyone else in the Premier League!) Also, generally, when Burke has moved from one club to another he has done so to a more senior position. Someone stated yesterday that Southampton were disappointed to lose him, so it's just possible he is more highly-regarded within the game than he is by the fans. The problem is - just like with the unwarranted vitriol than Nathan Jones received last season - that we just don't know what he is like or how good he is at his job. The only person who DOES know and whose opinion really counts is Tony Bloom. Why would he continue to employ someone who is incompetent? This isn't just my defending Burke blindly though. He may have made mistakes, but my argument always boils down to the fact we shouldn't be crucifying the guy (or anyone else) on supposition and suggestion. If we have proof he's made bad mistakes THEN slate him. I will even join in :-D[/p][/quote]I think it`s fair to say that GP is one of those infuriating genius`s ,full of self belief and knows all the answers ,but you cant argue with what he achieved with us or S,land . I called him every name under the sun ,and even invented one or two after the palace defeat ,and there is no excuse for his behaviour ,but if you except that we react to the situations we are in ,you may see that he changed drastically after DB arrived ,he was dealing directly with The Boss ,now all of a sudden ,he has to got through a man that he did not like from the start ,to ask cap in hand ,at least in his mind from what we saw ,for any new signings ,and DB ,a man with no real football background ,had the power to say no . GP drove us all mad with his touting himself to other clubs in interviews ,but I honestly believe ,that if DB had not been brought in till the new season we would have battered palace in the second leg and gone on to promotion against Watford at Wembley . There is only one thing to ask yourself ,when did all this start ? . tug509
  • Score: 0

12:52pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Justin says...

Of course everyone wants to see some exciting signings but I do think some posters lack perspective. The change in manager put a delay of several weeks into the recruitment process so it is not really surprising that we are behind where we'd like to be at the end of July. But the reason isn't inaction or incompetence on anyone's part it's just inevitable with a change of manager.

Re the DoF/CEO/Chair/Manage
r thing, it seems to me they all have distinct roles and you need the input of all of them when signing players. It's not something one person can do alone and four is hardly too many to make quick decisions.

Finally, to those who say ignore FFP and spend big. You pay a few hundred quid a year for your season ticket. TB funded the £15M loss last year. If you want the club to spend more than it earns you're saying 1) TB isn't doing enough and 2) we should have an entirely unsustainable business model that would put the club at grave risk if TB fell under a bus or whatever.

I don't think it is ever fair or reasonable to ask someone else to put more money into the club. The only possible exception is when you have a chair holding back the club (like McKeag at Newcastle, Ellis at Villa or Archer at Brighton) when others are willing to come in but that certainly doesn't apply to the Albion now.

We have a great future as a club so don't panic and just look forward to the new season.
Of course everyone wants to see some exciting signings but I do think some posters lack perspective. The change in manager put a delay of several weeks into the recruitment process so it is not really surprising that we are behind where we'd like to be at the end of July. But the reason isn't inaction or incompetence on anyone's part it's just inevitable with a change of manager. Re the DoF/CEO/Chair/Manage r thing, it seems to me they all have distinct roles and you need the input of all of them when signing players. It's not something one person can do alone and four is hardly too many to make quick decisions. Finally, to those who say ignore FFP and spend big. You pay a few hundred quid a year for your season ticket. TB funded the £15M loss last year. If you want the club to spend more than it earns you're saying 1) TB isn't doing enough and 2) we should have an entirely unsustainable business model that would put the club at grave risk if TB fell under a bus or whatever. I don't think it is ever fair or reasonable to ask someone else to put more money into the club. The only possible exception is when you have a chair holding back the club (like McKeag at Newcastle, Ellis at Villa or Archer at Brighton) when others are willing to come in but that certainly doesn't apply to the Albion now. We have a great future as a club so don't panic and just look forward to the new season. Justin
  • Score: 3

12:54pm Mon 28 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Slightly off topic.
the lads on NSC seem pretty sure the Stockdale deal is all but done !. UTA
Slightly off topic. the lads on NSC seem pretty sure the Stockdale deal is all but done !. UTA tug509
  • Score: 3

2:02pm Mon 28 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

When talking of whether or not Brighton need a DoF, is not Bloom a tax exile, he can only remain in the UK for a limited number of weeks each year, or am I wrong on that point?

If I am right, and if the role of, DoF was done away with, that would leave just Hyypia and Barber on hand 365 days per year. For me that would not be a good situation.
When talking of whether or not Brighton need a DoF, is not Bloom a tax exile, he can only remain in the UK for a limited number of weeks each year, or am I wrong on that point? If I am right, and if the role of, DoF was done away with, that would leave just Hyypia and Barber on hand 365 days per year. For me that would not be a good situation. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

2:07pm Mon 28 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

TheWerewolf wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
championshipgull wrote:
Not Ideal but very pleased with the choice of new Manager and high expectations we will get some quality replacements in over the next few weeks, from the incredible fee we got for Ulloa and with the new training facilities coming into operation, an exciting season ahead .I’ve been supporting the club for over 30 years and we are in the best shape I have seen us in (I shudder now when I think back to lodging at Gillingham). Fantastic input from Tony Bloom to put us on an ever increasing upward journey.
Morning great post mate,
A lot off people have short memories on here, like you say going to Gillingham for every home game not great but we went there, withdean the same but brought us back home, if you read some off the posts on here you would think we haven't moved on over the years, perhaps they are expecting to much without actually thinking how hard it is to get out off this league, like you say players will arrive when we have found the right player at a price we can afford, I for one can't wait for the season to start,
Up the Albion!!
Players we can afford? We have 12 million in bank from sales, 21000 season tickets sold.. We need to have ambition beyond FFP ,
I don't want to see us spend silly money, but we must meet fans expectations , or next season will be a half empty stadium.
half empty with 22k season tickets already sold?! doesn't add up....
I am talking next season, we have lost 3000 season tickets after a fair
Y successful season, however that was before we sold our team off, and hope to show everyone how clever we are breaking even...
Perhaps those that bang on about it want to explain why clubs are over spending to get there?
Answer is 100 million pounds, parachute payments for three years after.
Not one person who is saying let's stick to fair play and low wages is exactly explaining how we will get promoted ever?
[quote][p][bold]TheWerewolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: Not Ideal but very pleased with the choice of new Manager and high expectations we will get some quality replacements in over the next few weeks, from the incredible fee we got for Ulloa and with the new training facilities coming into operation, an exciting season ahead .I’ve been supporting the club for over 30 years and we are in the best shape I have seen us in (I shudder now when I think back to lodging at Gillingham). Fantastic input from Tony Bloom to put us on an ever increasing upward journey.[/p][/quote]Morning great post mate, A lot off people have short memories on here, like you say going to Gillingham for every home game not great but we went there, withdean the same but brought us back home, if you read some off the posts on here you would think we haven't moved on over the years, perhaps they are expecting to much without actually thinking how hard it is to get out off this league, like you say players will arrive when we have found the right player at a price we can afford, I for one can't wait for the season to start, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Players we can afford? We have 12 million in bank from sales, 21000 season tickets sold.. We need to have ambition beyond FFP , I don't want to see us spend silly money, but we must meet fans expectations , or next season will be a half empty stadium.[/p][/quote]half empty with 22k season tickets already sold?! doesn't add up....[/p][/quote]I am talking next season, we have lost 3000 season tickets after a fair Y successful season, however that was before we sold our team off, and hope to show everyone how clever we are breaking even... Perhaps those that bang on about it want to explain why clubs are over spending to get there? Answer is 100 million pounds, parachute payments for three years after. Not one person who is saying let's stick to fair play and low wages is exactly explaining how we will get promoted ever? mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

2:17pm Mon 28 Jul 14

wrighty2908 says...

Albion fan in London wrote:
We have made three signings lets not forget this Hughes, Toko and COG. However the main issue is that we sell Ulloa without an immediate replacement lined up which is just odd. This said let's see how this week pans out. 2 more signings of quality and everyone will be feeling very different about things.
Remember the club didn't want to sell Leo but when a player has a chance to play in the premiership and wants to go whether there is a replacement lined up or not they have to go, I want players who would give our club 100% and 8 million down and a fee to rise up to 10 million is a great profit for a player thats arrived only 18 months ago for about 2 million. I would rather the club was run in a proper financial manner and if the potential targets are unavailable so be it the worst thing the club can do is panic buy they have to get the signings right my faith in Burke is not good but in TB I trust
[quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: We have made three signings lets not forget this Hughes, Toko and COG. However the main issue is that we sell Ulloa without an immediate replacement lined up which is just odd. This said let's see how this week pans out. 2 more signings of quality and everyone will be feeling very different about things.[/p][/quote]Remember the club didn't want to sell Leo but when a player has a chance to play in the premiership and wants to go whether there is a replacement lined up or not they have to go, I want players who would give our club 100% and 8 million down and a fee to rise up to 10 million is a great profit for a player thats arrived only 18 months ago for about 2 million. I would rather the club was run in a proper financial manner and if the potential targets are unavailable so be it the worst thing the club can do is panic buy they have to get the signings right my faith in Burke is not good but in TB I trust wrighty2908
  • Score: 1

2:19pm Mon 28 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
It would seem another of Gus choices is coming back to haunt Burke ,
Van dyyke iis on his way to Southampton. For 9 million with add ons,
Sometimes speculate and back the manager rather than listening to a man in a suit would have put us in the premier league in my opinion,
Whatever people say about Gus , he did a fantastic job here and performed a miracle at Sunderland..
He was never going to come here. His club didn't want to let him go until the season's end and then Celtic came in with the promise of Champions League. VvD never stated convincingly that he wanted to join us, but he still gets held up as a false example of Burke's incompetence. Still, I'm not sure how a transfer to Southampton will haunt Burke? It's not like we're going to play them competitively this season.

Before anyone has a go at me yes, I am disappointed by the lack of incoming players, but I also have faith that Tony Bloom is doing the right thing for the club. Our long term future is far more important to me than this season's promotion prospects.
So what are our long term plans if it's not the premiership?
I saw Vegas quote that the hotel would help finance players?
Anyone who knows the hotel trade will tell you , location location location,
Who would want to stay at the hotel? Away fans? Probably not as they will want to hit the town, tourists? Conference ? None really hits the net for a hotel to be hugely successful ..
The plans for the club must be youth set up to produce, that again will take time, 5-7 years ,
The real money is the premiership, full gates, lots of shirt sales, beer / pies.
How are we going to achieve that without spending to compete with parachute clubs ...
I accept we need to run a tight ship, but what happens when 2015-16 season kicks off with gates of 15,000
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: It would seem another of Gus choices is coming back to haunt Burke , Van dyyke iis on his way to Southampton. For 9 million with add ons, Sometimes speculate and back the manager rather than listening to a man in a suit would have put us in the premier league in my opinion, Whatever people say about Gus , he did a fantastic job here and performed a miracle at Sunderland..[/p][/quote]He was never going to come here. His club didn't want to let him go until the season's end and then Celtic came in with the promise of Champions League. VvD never stated convincingly that he wanted to join us, but he still gets held up as a false example of Burke's incompetence. Still, I'm not sure how a transfer to Southampton will haunt Burke? It's not like we're going to play them competitively this season. Before anyone has a go at me yes, I am disappointed by the lack of incoming players, but I also have faith that Tony Bloom is doing the right thing for the club. Our long term future is far more important to me than this season's promotion prospects.[/p][/quote]So what are our long term plans if it's not the premiership? I saw Vegas quote that the hotel would help finance players? Anyone who knows the hotel trade will tell you , location location location, Who would want to stay at the hotel? Away fans? Probably not as they will want to hit the town, tourists? Conference ? None really hits the net for a hotel to be hugely successful .. The plans for the club must be youth set up to produce, that again will take time, 5-7 years , The real money is the premiership, full gates, lots of shirt sales, beer / pies. How are we going to achieve that without spending to compete with parachute clubs ... I accept we need to run a tight ship, but what happens when 2015-16 season kicks off with gates of 15,000 mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

2:24pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Neville says...

Regarding Van Dijk if you recall GP made a trip over to Holland to watch him midweek and wanted the deal to go ahead,for whatever true reason either finance or protracted negotiation he didn,t arrive and frustrating for GP. Van Dijk is highly thought of at Celtic and if we had of signed him he may have made the difference. For promotion and perhaps shown GP that the club didn,t lack ambition.
A tidy profit would have been made as we were offering 2m at the time.
Regarding Van Dijk if you recall GP made a trip over to Holland to watch him midweek and wanted the deal to go ahead,for whatever true reason either finance or protracted negotiation he didn,t arrive and frustrating for GP. Van Dijk is highly thought of at Celtic and if we had of signed him he may have made the difference. For promotion and perhaps shown GP that the club didn,t lack ambition. A tidy profit would have been made as we were offering 2m at the time. Neville
  • Score: 3

2:35pm Mon 28 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

Neville wrote:
Regarding Van Dijk if you recall GP made a trip over to Holland to watch him midweek and wanted the deal to go ahead,for whatever true reason either finance or protracted negotiation he didn,t arrive and frustrating for GP. Van Dijk is highly thought of at Celtic and if we had of signed him he may have made the difference. For promotion and perhaps shown GP that the club didn,t lack ambition.
A tidy profit would have been made as we were offering 2m at the time.
What I heard is Gus wanted him, Gus spoke to him and van dyyke was impressed, the deal was never pushed through ,
And that's what's happened to OG , he gives a list of wanted players and he gets obika! Lol
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Regarding Van Dijk if you recall GP made a trip over to Holland to watch him midweek and wanted the deal to go ahead,for whatever true reason either finance or protracted negotiation he didn,t arrive and frustrating for GP. Van Dijk is highly thought of at Celtic and if we had of signed him he may have made the difference. For promotion and perhaps shown GP that the club didn,t lack ambition. A tidy profit would have been made as we were offering 2m at the time.[/p][/quote]What I heard is Gus wanted him, Gus spoke to him and van dyyke was impressed, the deal was never pushed through , And that's what's happened to OG , he gives a list of wanted players and he gets obika! Lol mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

2:41pm Mon 28 Jul 14

lighteninglee says...

Once again brighton Will be made up of a team of loanies Ive said it so many times you can't get anywhere without a squad that's yours.
Once again brighton Will be made up of a team of loanies Ive said it so many times you can't get anywhere without a squad that's yours. lighteninglee
  • Score: 5

2:46pm Mon 28 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Mark yep I did mention the hotel and other plans. The hotel, if it gets built, will be marketed toward the world of business, but others will use it as well.
If I have a kid attending Sussex Uni I might stay for a couple of nights whilst visiting my kid. Our opponent's fans that want to make a long weekend out of their visit to the Amex might use it. The biggest market by far will be the business world.

But the overall point I was making yesterday still stands, long term and sustainable non football income is what the club needs to help it move forward. The annual profit from the parking facility, the student block and the hotel, won't be chicken feed. Yes they are long term projects, but the club has to think long term.
Mark yep I did mention the hotel and other plans. The hotel, if it gets built, will be marketed toward the world of business, but others will use it as well. If I have a kid attending Sussex Uni I might stay for a couple of nights whilst visiting my kid. Our opponent's fans that want to make a long weekend out of their visit to the Amex might use it. The biggest market by far will be the business world. But the overall point I was making yesterday still stands, long term and sustainable non football income is what the club needs to help it move forward. The annual profit from the parking facility, the student block and the hotel, won't be chicken feed. Yes they are long term projects, but the club has to think long term. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

3:00pm Mon 28 Jul 14

tinker111 says...

arc12 wrote:
Worrying comments so early into his tenure. Seriously worried not all is right behind the scenes. Would be good to hear from TB or PB about just what is going on!
Sadly he was sold a pup by board His fault for not looking into the NON spend policy at Albion I think he will be gone by turn of year.
[quote][p][bold]arc12[/bold] wrote: Worrying comments so early into his tenure. Seriously worried not all is right behind the scenes. Would be good to hear from TB or PB about just what is going on![/p][/quote]Sadly he was sold a pup by board His fault for not looking into the NON spend policy at Albion I think he will be gone by turn of year. tinker111
  • Score: -1

3:01pm Mon 28 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Neville wrote:
Regarding Van Dijk if you recall GP made a trip over to Holland to watch him midweek and wanted the deal to go ahead,for whatever true reason either finance or protracted negotiation he didn,t arrive and frustrating for GP. Van Dijk is highly thought of at Celtic and if we had of signed him he may have made the difference. For promotion and perhaps shown GP that the club didn,t lack ambition.
A tidy profit would have been made as we were offering 2m at the time.
What I heard is Gus wanted him, Gus spoke to him and van dyyke was impressed, the deal was never pushed through ,
And that's what's happened to OG , he gives a list of wanted players and he gets obika! Lol
I heard this I heard that, heard from who?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Regarding Van Dijk if you recall GP made a trip over to Holland to watch him midweek and wanted the deal to go ahead,for whatever true reason either finance or protracted negotiation he didn,t arrive and frustrating for GP. Van Dijk is highly thought of at Celtic and if we had of signed him he may have made the difference. For promotion and perhaps shown GP that the club didn,t lack ambition. A tidy profit would have been made as we were offering 2m at the time.[/p][/quote]What I heard is Gus wanted him, Gus spoke to him and van dyyke was impressed, the deal was never pushed through , And that's what's happened to OG , he gives a list of wanted players and he gets obika! Lol[/p][/quote]I heard this I heard that, heard from who? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

3:05pm Mon 28 Jul 14

tinker111 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark yep I did mention the hotel and other plans. The hotel, if it gets built, will be marketed toward the world of business, but others will use it as well.
If I have a kid attending Sussex Uni I might stay for a couple of nights whilst visiting my kid. Our opponent's fans that want to make a long weekend out of their visit to the Amex might use it. The biggest market by far will be the business world.

But the overall point I was making yesterday still stands, long term and sustainable non football income is what the club needs to help it move forward. The annual profit from the parking facility, the student block and the hotel, won't be chicken feed. Yes they are long term projects, but the club has to think long term.
What Hotel and do club own the land ???? or is this why fans have been shoved out of car park ????
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark yep I did mention the hotel and other plans. The hotel, if it gets built, will be marketed toward the world of business, but others will use it as well. If I have a kid attending Sussex Uni I might stay for a couple of nights whilst visiting my kid. Our opponent's fans that want to make a long weekend out of their visit to the Amex might use it. The biggest market by far will be the business world. But the overall point I was making yesterday still stands, long term and sustainable non football income is what the club needs to help it move forward. The annual profit from the parking facility, the student block and the hotel, won't be chicken feed. Yes they are long term projects, but the club has to think long term.[/p][/quote]What Hotel and do club own the land ???? or is this why fans have been shoved out of car park ???? tinker111
  • Score: -5

3:40pm Mon 28 Jul 14

ringtone says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Neville wrote:
Regarding Van Dijk if you recall GP made a trip over to Holland to watch him midweek and wanted the deal to go ahead,for whatever true reason either finance or protracted negotiation he didn,t arrive and frustrating for GP. Van Dijk is highly thought of at Celtic and if we had of signed him he may have made the difference. For promotion and perhaps shown GP that the club didn,t lack ambition.
A tidy profit would have been made as we were offering 2m at the time.
What I heard is Gus wanted him, Gus spoke to him and van dyyke was impressed, the deal was never pushed through ,
And that's what's happened to OG , he gives a list of wanted players and he gets obika! Lol
Well done those hightliting the Van Dijk situation.

He looks a better player than Lawrenson, no wonder GP got the hump, he even scores with free kicks, can you imagine Greer or Upson shooting from 30 yards, lol.

I am convinced this would have been the missing piece and we would be in the Prem by now.

Why was there ever any doubt, most dutch players are quality, he is the epitamy of total football.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Regarding Van Dijk if you recall GP made a trip over to Holland to watch him midweek and wanted the deal to go ahead,for whatever true reason either finance or protracted negotiation he didn,t arrive and frustrating for GP. Van Dijk is highly thought of at Celtic and if we had of signed him he may have made the difference. For promotion and perhaps shown GP that the club didn,t lack ambition. A tidy profit would have been made as we were offering 2m at the time.[/p][/quote]What I heard is Gus wanted him, Gus spoke to him and van dyyke was impressed, the deal was never pushed through , And that's what's happened to OG , he gives a list of wanted players and he gets obika! Lol[/p][/quote]Well done those hightliting the Van Dijk situation. He looks a better player than Lawrenson, no wonder GP got the hump, he even scores with free kicks, can you imagine Greer or Upson shooting from 30 yards, lol. I am convinced this would have been the missing piece and we would be in the Prem by now. Why was there ever any doubt, most dutch players are quality, he is the epitamy of total football. ringtone
  • Score: -2

3:48pm Mon 28 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Since Sami joined us I reckon about a dozen Pool lads have congratulated me ,and told me we are lucky to have one of their "Legends " , now I might have to keep my head down ,the way were treating him at present .
Just one question ,who would you choose for our future burke or Sami ,because it might come down to that ?.
Since Sami joined us I reckon about a dozen Pool lads have congratulated me ,and told me we are lucky to have one of their "Legends " , now I might have to keep my head down ,the way were treating him at present . Just one question ,who would you choose for our future burke or Sami ,because it might come down to that ?. tug509
  • Score: 4

3:51pm Mon 28 Jul 14

ringtone says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Neville wrote:
Regarding Van Dijk if you recall GP made a trip over to Holland to watch him midweek and wanted the deal to go ahead,for whatever true reason either finance or protracted negotiation he didn,t arrive and frustrating for GP. Van Dijk is highly thought of at Celtic and if we had of signed him he may have made the difference. For promotion and perhaps shown GP that the club didn,t lack ambition.
A tidy profit would have been made as we were offering 2m at the time.
What I heard is Gus wanted him, Gus spoke to him and van dyyke was impressed, the deal was never pushed through ,
And that's what's happened to OG , he gives a list of wanted players and he gets obika! Lol
I heard this I heard that, heard from who?
People talk, people hear things.

You don't cos your in Vegas (allegedly)
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Regarding Van Dijk if you recall GP made a trip over to Holland to watch him midweek and wanted the deal to go ahead,for whatever true reason either finance or protracted negotiation he didn,t arrive and frustrating for GP. Van Dijk is highly thought of at Celtic and if we had of signed him he may have made the difference. For promotion and perhaps shown GP that the club didn,t lack ambition. A tidy profit would have been made as we were offering 2m at the time.[/p][/quote]What I heard is Gus wanted him, Gus spoke to him and van dyyke was impressed, the deal was never pushed through , And that's what's happened to OG , he gives a list of wanted players and he gets obika! Lol[/p][/quote]I heard this I heard that, heard from who?[/p][/quote]People talk, people hear things. You don't cos your in Vegas (allegedly) ringtone
  • Score: -3

4:38pm Mon 28 Jul 14

brighton bluenose says...

tug509 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
It would seem another of Gus choices is coming back to haunt Burke ,
Van dyyke iis on his way to Southampton. For 9 million with add ons,
Sometimes speculate and back the manager rather than listening to a man in a suit would have put us in the premier league in my opinion,
Whatever people say about Gus , he did a fantastic job here and performed a miracle at Sunderland..
Well said Mark ,
for me it is very simple ,think back to before Burke came to us ,we were doing great ,good football ,attracting good players and GP was going to get us promoted ,we went ahead with the additional seats ahead of schedule because of great STs and all round attendances . Then he appeared ,immediately p****d GP off ,and all the current problems with new signings started .
It was the appointment of Barber that pee'd off Poyet and not Burke! Charlie Oatway told me directly that when Barber joined Poyet wasn't happy and they all agreed to give it six monts to see how it went but with the subsequent cost cutting the relationship with Barber deteriorated further and ultimately with Bloom too!
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: It would seem another of Gus choices is coming back to haunt Burke , Van dyyke iis on his way to Southampton. For 9 million with add ons, Sometimes speculate and back the manager rather than listening to a man in a suit would have put us in the premier league in my opinion, Whatever people say about Gus , he did a fantastic job here and performed a miracle at Sunderland..[/p][/quote]Well said Mark , for me it is very simple ,think back to before Burke came to us ,we were doing great ,good football ,attracting good players and GP was going to get us promoted ,we went ahead with the additional seats ahead of schedule because of great STs and all round attendances . Then he appeared ,immediately p****d GP off ,and all the current problems with new signings started .[/p][/quote]It was the appointment of Barber that pee'd off Poyet and not Burke! Charlie Oatway told me directly that when Barber joined Poyet wasn't happy and they all agreed to give it six monts to see how it went but with the subsequent cost cutting the relationship with Barber deteriorated further and ultimately with Bloom too! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 4

5:03pm Mon 28 Jul 14

tug509 says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
tug509 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
It would seem another of Gus choices is coming back to haunt Burke ,
Van dyyke iis on his way to Southampton. For 9 million with add ons,
Sometimes speculate and back the manager rather than listening to a man in a suit would have put us in the premier league in my opinion,
Whatever people say about Gus , he did a fantastic job here and performed a miracle at Sunderland..
Well said Mark ,
for me it is very simple ,think back to before Burke came to us ,we were doing great ,good football ,attracting good players and GP was going to get us promoted ,we went ahead with the additional seats ahead of schedule because of great STs and all round attendances . Then he appeared ,immediately p****d GP off ,and all the current problems with new signings started .
It was the appointment of Barber that pee'd off Poyet and not Burke! Charlie Oatway told me directly that when Barber joined Poyet wasn't happy and they all agreed to give it six monts to see how it went but with the subsequent cost cutting the relationship with Barber deteriorated further and ultimately with Bloom too!
Thanks BB ,I didn`t know that , I don't know exactly who has final say on expenditure either ,except DBs profile gives him control of incoming players and fees/wages from what I read ,so I`m guessing it is still him that is not allowing GP ,OG and maybe Sami to bring in the players of their /his choice . If that is accurate then the blame stays with him ,if not then why no real movement with new signings ,still the blame is his .
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: It would seem another of Gus choices is coming back to haunt Burke , Van dyyke iis on his way to Southampton. For 9 million with add ons, Sometimes speculate and back the manager rather than listening to a man in a suit would have put us in the premier league in my opinion, Whatever people say about Gus , he did a fantastic job here and performed a miracle at Sunderland..[/p][/quote]Well said Mark , for me it is very simple ,think back to before Burke came to us ,we were doing great ,good football ,attracting good players and GP was going to get us promoted ,we went ahead with the additional seats ahead of schedule because of great STs and all round attendances . Then he appeared ,immediately p****d GP off ,and all the current problems with new signings started .[/p][/quote]It was the appointment of Barber that pee'd off Poyet and not Burke! Charlie Oatway told me directly that when Barber joined Poyet wasn't happy and they all agreed to give it six monts to see how it went but with the subsequent cost cutting the relationship with Barber deteriorated further and ultimately with Bloom too![/p][/quote]Thanks BB ,I didn`t know that , I don't know exactly who has final say on expenditure either ,except DBs profile gives him control of incoming players and fees/wages from what I read ,so I`m guessing it is still him that is not allowing GP ,OG and maybe Sami to bring in the players of their /his choice . If that is accurate then the blame stays with him ,if not then why no real movement with new signings ,still the blame is his . tug509
  • Score: -3

5:19pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Hoarder12345444 says...

Lets not worry too much guys. It's still 2 weeks to the season actually starts and we have until Sept 1 to bring players in. I am sure we have a few lined up. We still have a fairly big squad. We will add 4 or 5 more players we have to. Keep the faith. UTA.
Lets not worry too much guys. It's still 2 weeks to the season actually starts and we have until Sept 1 to bring players in. I am sure we have a few lined up. We still have a fairly big squad. We will add 4 or 5 more players we have to. Keep the faith. UTA. Hoarder12345444
  • Score: 7

5:30pm Mon 28 Jul 14

pte says...

ringtone wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Neville wrote:
Regarding Van Dijk if you recall GP made a trip over to Holland to watch him midweek and wanted the deal to go ahead,for whatever true reason either finance or protracted negotiation he didn,t arrive and frustrating for GP. Van Dijk is highly thought of at Celtic and if we had of signed him he may have made the difference. For promotion and perhaps shown GP that the club didn,t lack ambition.
A tidy profit would have been made as we were offering 2m at the time.
What I heard is Gus wanted him, Gus spoke to him and van dyyke was impressed, the deal was never pushed through ,
And that's what's happened to OG , he gives a list of wanted players and he gets obika! Lol
I heard this I heard that, heard from who?
People talk, people hear things.

You don't cos your in Vegas (allegedly)
or dreamland
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Regarding Van Dijk if you recall GP made a trip over to Holland to watch him midweek and wanted the deal to go ahead,for whatever true reason either finance or protracted negotiation he didn,t arrive and frustrating for GP. Van Dijk is highly thought of at Celtic and if we had of signed him he may have made the difference. For promotion and perhaps shown GP that the club didn,t lack ambition. A tidy profit would have been made as we were offering 2m at the time.[/p][/quote]What I heard is Gus wanted him, Gus spoke to him and van dyyke was impressed, the deal was never pushed through , And that's what's happened to OG , he gives a list of wanted players and he gets obika! Lol[/p][/quote]I heard this I heard that, heard from who?[/p][/quote]People talk, people hear things. You don't cos your in Vegas (allegedly)[/p][/quote]or dreamland pte
  • Score: -5

5:31pm Mon 28 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

If I were part of the PR team at the club I think I would be advising Bloom, or Burke, to make a statement to the press, even if it's only an update.

Don't need to name names, when it comes to targets, but if the intent is to borrow some of the players we need then at least tell the fans that.
If the club are in tentative talks to buy one or more new players, tell the fans that.

The idea that the club can get away with saying nothing, when our new manager is saying something, is a dangerous road to take. The fans will get behind a new manager when he voices his frustrations, and they will blame Bloom and Burke unless they come out with a statement that answers Hyypia's comments. I don't think that there is a problem between the three of them, but it would be sensible for the club to confirm that by at least giving out some details regarding their efforts.
If I were part of the PR team at the club I think I would be advising Bloom, or Burke, to make a statement to the press, even if it's only an update. Don't need to name names, when it comes to targets, but if the intent is to borrow some of the players we need then at least tell the fans that. If the club are in tentative talks to buy one or more new players, tell the fans that. The idea that the club can get away with saying nothing, when our new manager is saying something, is a dangerous road to take. The fans will get behind a new manager when he voices his frustrations, and they will blame Bloom and Burke unless they come out with a statement that answers Hyypia's comments. I don't think that there is a problem between the three of them, but it would be sensible for the club to confirm that by at least giving out some details regarding their efforts. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

5:49pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Falmer Wizard says...

seagulltess wrote:
I would like to know the reasons for the lack of new players coming into the club. All we ever hear is excuses. Here we are less than two weeks away from the first league game and we barely have enough players to field a team. A serious injury to Stephens will restrict us from fielding him for some while. We sell our top striker for 8mill and can't afford to replace him. Maybe we are paying peanuts and we all know what you get for them. Play fair Albion and come clean: let us supporters know what is going on
It would appear that even Mr.Bloom has a limit to the amount of cash he can prop the club up with,so we are going to struggle throughout the coming season,but at least we are not at Withdean or in Division 1.
[quote][p][bold]seagulltess[/bold] wrote: I would like to know the reasons for the lack of new players coming into the club. All we ever hear is excuses. Here we are less than two weeks away from the first league game and we barely have enough players to field a team. A serious injury to Stephens will restrict us from fielding him for some while. We sell our top striker for 8mill and can't afford to replace him. Maybe we are paying peanuts and we all know what you get for them. Play fair Albion and come clean: let us supporters know what is going on[/p][/quote]It would appear that even Mr.Bloom has a limit to the amount of cash he can prop the club up with,so we are going to struggle throughout the coming season,but at least we are not at Withdean or in Division 1. Falmer Wizard
  • Score: 0

5:55pm Mon 28 Jul 14

ringtone says...

Time for some new investment in the club.

We cant Carry Grant any longer.
Time for some new investment in the club. We cant Carry Grant any longer. ringtone
  • Score: 0

6:04pm Mon 28 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

Albion fan in London wrote:
We have made three signings lets not forget this Hughes, Toko and COG. However the main issue is that we sell Ulloa without an immediate replacement lined up which is just odd. This said let's see how this week pans out. 2 more signings of quality and everyone will be feeling very different about things.
I think we need more that just two quality signings to be competitive this season.
[quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: We have made three signings lets not forget this Hughes, Toko and COG. However the main issue is that we sell Ulloa without an immediate replacement lined up which is just odd. This said let's see how this week pans out. 2 more signings of quality and everyone will be feeling very different about things.[/p][/quote]I think we need more that just two quality signings to be competitive this season. ballantrrae
  • Score: 1

6:25pm Mon 28 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Neville wrote:
Regarding Van Dijk if you recall GP made a trip over to Holland to watch him midweek and wanted the deal to go ahead,for whatever true reason either finance or protracted negotiation he didn,t arrive and frustrating for GP. Van Dijk is highly thought of at Celtic and if we had of signed him he may have made the difference. For promotion and perhaps shown GP that the club didn,t lack ambition.
A tidy profit would have been made as we were offering 2m at the time.
What I heard is Gus wanted him, Gus spoke to him and van dyyke was impressed, the deal was never pushed through ,
And that's what's happened to OG , he gives a list of wanted players and he gets obika! Lol
I heard this I heard that, heard from who?
Do you think charlie oatway keeps his mouth shut? Do you think that there is only Burke barber and TB in the offices at the Amex?
I doubt you would remember when Calderon jumped ship and ran off to saints?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Regarding Van Dijk if you recall GP made a trip over to Holland to watch him midweek and wanted the deal to go ahead,for whatever true reason either finance or protracted negotiation he didn,t arrive and frustrating for GP. Van Dijk is highly thought of at Celtic and if we had of signed him he may have made the difference. For promotion and perhaps shown GP that the club didn,t lack ambition. A tidy profit would have been made as we were offering 2m at the time.[/p][/quote]What I heard is Gus wanted him, Gus spoke to him and van dyyke was impressed, the deal was never pushed through , And that's what's happened to OG , he gives a list of wanted players and he gets obika! Lol[/p][/quote]I heard this I heard that, heard from who?[/p][/quote]Do you think charlie oatway keeps his mouth shut? Do you think that there is only Burke barber and TB in the offices at the Amex? I doubt you would remember when Calderon jumped ship and ran off to saints? mark by the sea
  • Score: -1

8:09pm Mon 28 Jul 14

brighton bluenose says...

tug509 wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
tug509 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
It would seem another of Gus choices is coming back to haunt Burke ,
Van dyyke iis on his way to Southampton. For 9 million with add ons,
Sometimes speculate and back the manager rather than listening to a man in a suit would have put us in the premier league in my opinion,
Whatever people say about Gus , he did a fantastic job here and performed a miracle at Sunderland..
Well said Mark ,
for me it is very simple ,think back to before Burke came to us ,we were doing great ,good football ,attracting good players and GP was going to get us promoted ,we went ahead with the additional seats ahead of schedule because of great STs and all round attendances . Then he appeared ,immediately p****d GP off ,and all the current problems with new signings started .
It was the appointment of Barber that pee'd off Poyet and not Burke! Charlie Oatway told me directly that when Barber joined Poyet wasn't happy and they all agreed to give it six monts to see how it went but with the subsequent cost cutting the relationship with Barber deteriorated further and ultimately with Bloom too!
Thanks BB ,I didn`t know that , I don't know exactly who has final say on expenditure either ,except DBs profile gives him control of incoming players and fees/wages from what I read ,so I`m guessing it is still him that is not allowing GP ,OG and maybe Sami to bring in the players of their /his choice . If that is accurate then the blame stays with him ,if not then why no real movement with new signings ,still the blame is his .
Take your point Tug but as I pointed out in an earlier post it is surely TB that in the final analysis controls the purse strings - on the other hand as DoF it is Burkes job to spot the bargains out there ie Ulloa! I suppose we will never know the precise machinations of how it all works and just need to'Keep the Faith' - anyway Stockdale signing is a positive note to end a Monday on!!
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: It would seem another of Gus choices is coming back to haunt Burke , Van dyyke iis on his way to Southampton. For 9 million with add ons, Sometimes speculate and back the manager rather than listening to a man in a suit would have put us in the premier league in my opinion, Whatever people say about Gus , he did a fantastic job here and performed a miracle at Sunderland..[/p][/quote]Well said Mark , for me it is very simple ,think back to before Burke came to us ,we were doing great ,good football ,attracting good players and GP was going to get us promoted ,we went ahead with the additional seats ahead of schedule because of great STs and all round attendances . Then he appeared ,immediately p****d GP off ,and all the current problems with new signings started .[/p][/quote]It was the appointment of Barber that pee'd off Poyet and not Burke! Charlie Oatway told me directly that when Barber joined Poyet wasn't happy and they all agreed to give it six monts to see how it went but with the subsequent cost cutting the relationship with Barber deteriorated further and ultimately with Bloom too![/p][/quote]Thanks BB ,I didn`t know that , I don't know exactly who has final say on expenditure either ,except DBs profile gives him control of incoming players and fees/wages from what I read ,so I`m guessing it is still him that is not allowing GP ,OG and maybe Sami to bring in the players of their /his choice . If that is accurate then the blame stays with him ,if not then why no real movement with new signings ,still the blame is his .[/p][/quote]Take your point Tug but as I pointed out in an earlier post it is surely TB that in the final analysis controls the purse strings - on the other hand as DoF it is Burkes job to spot the bargains out there ie Ulloa! I suppose we will never know the precise machinations of how it all works and just need to'Keep the Faith' - anyway Stockdale signing is a positive note to end a Monday on!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 3

12:20am Wed 30 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

Justin wrote:
Of course everyone wants to see some exciting signings but I do think some posters lack perspective. The change in manager put a delay of several weeks into the recruitment process so it is not really surprising that we are behind where we'd like to be at the end of July. But the reason isn't inaction or incompetence on anyone's part it's just inevitable with a change of manager.

Re the DoF/CEO/Chair/Manage

r thing, it seems to me they all have distinct roles and you need the input of all of them when signing players. It's not something one person can do alone and four is hardly too many to make quick decisions.

Finally, to those who say ignore FFP and spend big. You pay a few hundred quid a year for your season ticket. TB funded the £15M loss last year. If you want the club to spend more than it earns you're saying 1) TB isn't doing enough and 2) we should have an entirely unsustainable business model that would put the club at grave risk if TB fell under a bus or whatever.

I don't think it is ever fair or reasonable to ask someone else to put more money into the club. The only possible exception is when you have a chair holding back the club (like McKeag at Newcastle, Ellis at Villa or Archer at Brighton) when others are willing to come in but that certainly doesn't apply to the Albion now.

We have a great future as a club so don't panic and just look forward to the new season.
What a good post!
[quote][p][bold]Justin[/bold] wrote: Of course everyone wants to see some exciting signings but I do think some posters lack perspective. The change in manager put a delay of several weeks into the recruitment process so it is not really surprising that we are behind where we'd like to be at the end of July. But the reason isn't inaction or incompetence on anyone's part it's just inevitable with a change of manager. Re the DoF/CEO/Chair/Manage r thing, it seems to me they all have distinct roles and you need the input of all of them when signing players. It's not something one person can do alone and four is hardly too many to make quick decisions. Finally, to those who say ignore FFP and spend big. You pay a few hundred quid a year for your season ticket. TB funded the £15M loss last year. If you want the club to spend more than it earns you're saying 1) TB isn't doing enough and 2) we should have an entirely unsustainable business model that would put the club at grave risk if TB fell under a bus or whatever. I don't think it is ever fair or reasonable to ask someone else to put more money into the club. The only possible exception is when you have a chair holding back the club (like McKeag at Newcastle, Ellis at Villa or Archer at Brighton) when others are willing to come in but that certainly doesn't apply to the Albion now. We have a great future as a club so don't panic and just look forward to the new season.[/p][/quote]What a good post! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 0

12:27am Wed 30 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

wrighty2908 wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
We have made three signings lets not forget this Hughes, Toko and COG. However the main issue is that we sell Ulloa without an immediate replacement lined up which is just odd. This said let's see how this week pans out. 2 more signings of quality and everyone will be feeling very different about things.
Remember the club didn't want to sell Leo but when a player has a chance to play in the premiership and wants to go whether there is a replacement lined up or not they have to go, I want players who would give our club 100% and 8 million down and a fee to rise up to 10 million is a great profit for a player thats arrived only 18 months ago for about 2 million. I would rather the club was run in a proper financial manner and if the potential targets are unavailable so be it the worst thing the club can do is panic buy they have to get the signings right my faith in Burke is not good but in TB I trust
And this!
[quote][p][bold]wrighty2908[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: We have made three signings lets not forget this Hughes, Toko and COG. However the main issue is that we sell Ulloa without an immediate replacement lined up which is just odd. This said let's see how this week pans out. 2 more signings of quality and everyone will be feeling very different about things.[/p][/quote]Remember the club didn't want to sell Leo but when a player has a chance to play in the premiership and wants to go whether there is a replacement lined up or not they have to go, I want players who would give our club 100% and 8 million down and a fee to rise up to 10 million is a great profit for a player thats arrived only 18 months ago for about 2 million. I would rather the club was run in a proper financial manner and if the potential targets are unavailable so be it the worst thing the club can do is panic buy they have to get the signings right my faith in Burke is not good but in TB I trust[/p][/quote]And this! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 0

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