Albion linked again with January targets

Adam Clayton

Adam Clayton

First published in Sport

Albion have been linked with renewed moves for former transfer targets Adam Clayton and Joe Mason.

The Seagulls and Championship rivals Middlesbrough are reportedly in talks with Huddersfield over midfielder Clayton.

Albion had a £1 million bid for the free-scoring 25-year-old rejected during the January transfer window.

Huddersfield's signing of Radoslaw Majewski on loan from Nottingham Forest has prompted speculation they are ready to sell the versatile Clayton, who can operate in front of the back four or just behind the strike force.

Albion also had Cardiff striker Mason in their sights in January as a potential replacement for Burnley-bound Ashley Barnes.

The 23-year-old former Plymouth forward had a spell on loan at Bolton last season and Wanderers are believed to want him back.

Mason's opportunities are expected to be limited at Cardiff following the signings of Adam Le Fondre and Federico Macheda.

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10:21am Wed 30 Jul 14

Beale32 says...

Id be happy with both playetd
Id be happy with both playetd Beale32
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10:22am Wed 30 Jul 14

Beale32 says...

Beale32 wrote:
Id be happy with both playetd
Players
[quote][p][bold]Beale32[/bold] wrote: Id be happy with both playetd[/p][/quote]Players Beale32
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10:23am Wed 30 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

Hope we get Clayton quality player, don't no much about Mason,
Hope we get Clayton quality player, don't no much about Mason, JeffLomer
  • Score: 1

10:28am Wed 30 Jul 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

What a truly horrible beard.
What a truly horrible beard. B rian Tawses left foot
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10:28am Wed 30 Jul 14

Jules boy says...

Time to start showing our intent
Time to start showing our intent Jules boy
  • Score: 4

10:32am Wed 30 Jul 14

Jonathan Mouette says...

They may be linked with Joe Mason but according to other site they are also interested in David N'Gog who is out of contract at Swansea. I would hazard a guess that the origins of this move come from SH who will have known him during his career at Liverpool where he scored 19 from 94. Mason will probably be Burke's choice, as he wanted him back in January and it will be interesting to see if SH can influence the suits... My fingers will remain firmly crossed. N'Gog is still only 25 and has the best in front of him if he really wants to play... Fingers crossed, UTA...!!!
They may be linked with Joe Mason but according to other site they are also interested in David N'Gog who is out of contract at Swansea. I would hazard a guess that the origins of this move come from SH who will have known him during his career at Liverpool where he scored 19 from 94. Mason will probably be Burke's choice, as he wanted him back in January and it will be interesting to see if SH can influence the suits... My fingers will remain firmly crossed. N'Gog is still only 25 and has the best in front of him if he really wants to play... Fingers crossed, UTA...!!! Jonathan Mouette
  • Score: 17

10:37am Wed 30 Jul 14

AlanDuffy says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
What a truly horrible beard.
On the contrary....it's magnificent, and already in our colours!
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: What a truly horrible beard.[/p][/quote]On the contrary....it's magnificent, and already in our colours! AlanDuffy
  • Score: 9

10:38am Wed 30 Jul 14

pte says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
What a truly horrible beard.
you can't sign a player like that: he'd trip over his beard which is a health and safety hazard.

It has to be written into his contract, no beard or don't sign him.

Once his beard is shaved off his sell on value will double so could be a good investment
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: What a truly horrible beard.[/p][/quote]you can't sign a player like that: he'd trip over his beard which is a health and safety hazard. It has to be written into his contract, no beard or don't sign him. Once his beard is shaved off his sell on value will double so could be a good investment pte
  • Score: 15

11:01am Wed 30 Jul 14

Claude Back says...

pte wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
What a truly horrible beard.
you can't sign a player like that: he'd trip over his beard which is a health and safety hazard.

It has to be written into his contract, no beard or don't sign him.

Once his beard is shaved off his sell on value will double so could be a good investment
If he shaves off his beard he may run faster....less 'air resistance. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: What a truly horrible beard.[/p][/quote]you can't sign a player like that: he'd trip over his beard which is a health and safety hazard. It has to be written into his contract, no beard or don't sign him. Once his beard is shaved off his sell on value will double so could be a good investment[/p][/quote]If he shaves off his beard he may run faster....less 'air resistance. ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: 10

11:01am Wed 30 Jul 14

Yogi says...

ZZ Top, but colouring is spot on! Must slow him down when it's covered in ice though, be a good signing.
ZZ Top, but colouring is spot on! Must slow him down when it's covered in ice though, be a good signing. Yogi
  • Score: 9

11:02am Wed 30 Jul 14

gilbertthecat says...

You could hide a whole subs bench in that beard and the ref would never know!
You could hide a whole subs bench in that beard and the ref would never know! gilbertthecat
  • Score: 14

11:10am Wed 30 Jul 14

elljam says...

If that's the case then they must be on Burke's wishlist rather than Hyppia's or is it a coincidence that they both want the same players !
If that's the case then they must be on Burke's wishlist rather than Hyppia's or is it a coincidence that they both want the same players ! elljam
  • Score: 6

11:11am Wed 30 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Yes please either or both ,N`gog is definitely a possibility as well JM ,but it might come down to good old wages again ,but it`s good to be linked with these guy`s ,keep up the good work lads . UTA
Yes please either or both ,N`gog is definitely a possibility as well JM ,but it might come down to good old wages again ,but it`s good to be linked with these guy`s ,keep up the good work lads . UTA tug509
  • Score: 1

11:19am Wed 30 Jul 14

Albion fan in London says...

Not sure about Clayton, don't know enough about him. Incidentally why would Cardiff loan a player to a Championship rival?
Not sure about Clayton, don't know enough about him. Incidentally why would Cardiff loan a player to a Championship rival? Albion fan in London
  • Score: 0

11:23am Wed 30 Jul 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
What a truly horrible beard.
He shaved it off In April after raising £3,000 for charity.Good lad!
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: What a truly horrible beard.[/p][/quote]He shaved it off In April after raising £3,000 for charity.Good lad! SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 26

11:25am Wed 30 Jul 14

SMF20 says...

I'd very much like Clayton to join us but I'm not overly excited about the other 2.
N'gog may be available from Swansea but he was very average for Bolton in this division.
Same to be said for Mason. Being made available by a club in the same division should say enough.

There are some fantastic forwards out there that look available for a fair fee.... Vossen and Soriano to name just 2.

We've spent a small fortune on a goalkeeper and supposed back up striker. Let's not buck the trend now when it comes to signing a frontline striker for our attack.

Uta
I'd very much like Clayton to join us but I'm not overly excited about the other 2. N'gog may be available from Swansea but he was very average for Bolton in this division. Same to be said for Mason. Being made available by a club in the same division should say enough. There are some fantastic forwards out there that look available for a fair fee.... Vossen and Soriano to name just 2. We've spent a small fortune on a goalkeeper and supposed back up striker. Let's not buck the trend now when it comes to signing a frontline striker for our attack. Uta SMF20
  • Score: 17

11:26am Wed 30 Jul 14

Havok82 says...

You can't shave off his beard. Its where his football skills come from. N'gog would be cool
You can't shave off his beard. Its where his football skills come from. N'gog would be cool Havok82
  • Score: -4

11:27am Wed 30 Jul 14

Grummitt says...

tug509 wrote:
Yes please either or both ,N`gog is definitely a possibility as well JM ,but it might come down to good old wages again ,but it`s good to be linked with these guy`s ,keep up the good work lads . UTA
N'gog is a free agent now so may come a little cheaper, scored a well taken goal against us for Bolton I seem to remember. As is always the case there are other clubs interested, this time Wigan.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Yes please either or both ,N`gog is definitely a possibility as well JM ,but it might come down to good old wages again ,but it`s good to be linked with these guy`s ,keep up the good work lads . UTA[/p][/quote]N'gog is a free agent now so may come a little cheaper, scored a well taken goal against us for Bolton I seem to remember. As is always the case there are other clubs interested, this time Wigan. Grummitt
  • Score: 0

11:30am Wed 30 Jul 14

franckiep says...

He may be very ugly under there.
He may be very ugly under there. franckiep
  • Score: 2

11:31am Wed 30 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

Albion fan in London wrote:
Not sure about Clayton, don't know enough about him. Incidentally why would Cardiff loan a player to a Championship rival?
Clayton is quality, as for Mason he won't get in there team, bought lefondre
[quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: Not sure about Clayton, don't know enough about him. Incidentally why would Cardiff loan a player to a Championship rival?[/p][/quote]Clayton is quality, as for Mason he won't get in there team, bought lefondre JeffLomer
  • Score: 4

11:41am Wed 30 Jul 14

tug509 says...

franckiep wrote:
He may be very ugly under there.
Lets face it we have had a couple of lads down the years who should have grown one for that very reason .
[quote][p][bold]franckiep[/bold] wrote: He may be very ugly under there.[/p][/quote]Lets face it we have had a couple of lads down the years who should have grown one for that very reason . tug509
  • Score: 3

12:09pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Don't know much about Adam Clayton but that beard looks cool.
If he came to us I think he could start a cult with loads of blue and white beardies in the crowd.
Sign him up ASAP Mr Burke. UTA
Don't know much about Adam Clayton but that beard looks cool. If he came to us I think he could start a cult with loads of blue and white beardies in the crowd. Sign him up ASAP Mr Burke. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 8

12:18pm Wed 30 Jul 14

dave from bexill says...

Lets face it, the beard certainly looks better coloured blue and white, than it would the red and white of Boro. Iv'e said before and being a boring twit, I'll repeat; this player is the closest I've seen to the great Brian Horton. A must for our club....(in my view)
Lets face it, the beard certainly looks better coloured blue and white, than it would the red and white of Boro. Iv'e said before and being a boring twit, I'll repeat; this player is the closest I've seen to the great Brian Horton. A must for our club....(in my view) dave from bexill
  • Score: 17

12:36pm Wed 30 Jul 14

tug509 says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Lets face it, the beard certainly looks better coloured blue and white, than it would the red and white of Boro. Iv'e said before and being a boring twit, I'll repeat; this player is the closest I've seen to the great Brian Horton. A must for our club....(in my view)
Hi Dave ,
the Terriers lads seem to be sure he is going ,if true and we stump up the money ,he has a straight choice ,the place voted most miserable in all England or GOSBTS .
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: Lets face it, the beard certainly looks better coloured blue and white, than it would the red and white of Boro. Iv'e said before and being a boring twit, I'll repeat; this player is the closest I've seen to the great Brian Horton. A must for our club....(in my view)[/p][/quote]Hi Dave , the Terriers lads seem to be sure he is going ,if true and we stump up the money ,he has a straight choice ,the place voted most miserable in all England or GOSBTS . tug509
  • Score: 10

12:42pm Wed 30 Jul 14

SMF20 says...

From a Bolton forum:

"If Ngog was British and had never played for PSG or Liverpool he would be languishing in League Two. He probably wouldn't even be scoring many goals there either. I can't believe the amount of money this guy has made."

"Eagles wildly inconsistent and NGog and Sordell being absolute wasters stealing a wage here..... I'm not sure he gets any blame for Lee's long-term demise. Not even for Eagles inconsistency. .."

"We told Dougie that Knight was crap. He made him captain
We told him that Ngog was worse. He insisted he was an excellent player in which to build his team around.
We all could have told him that Danns is better than Trotter"

"Thank Christ for that. When I heard we'd signed a Frog man I thought Ngog was on his way back"

"Now we've got rid of that lazy sod Ngog who was supposedly on £32k per week, I was wondering, does anyone know how these deals are brokered?"


No-one on http://www.the-wande
rer.co.uk/ has a good word to say about him. No-one.
From a Bolton forum: "If Ngog was British and had never played for PSG or Liverpool he would be languishing in League Two. He probably wouldn't even be scoring many goals there either. I can't believe the amount of money this guy has made." "Eagles wildly inconsistent and NGog and Sordell being absolute wasters stealing a wage here..... I'm not sure he gets any blame for Lee's long-term demise. Not even for Eagles inconsistency. .." "We told Dougie that Knight was crap. He made him captain We told him that Ngog was worse. He insisted he was an excellent player in which to build his team around. We all could have told him that Danns is better than Trotter" "Thank Christ for that. When I heard we'd signed a Frog man I thought Ngog was on his way back" "Now we've got rid of that lazy sod Ngog who was supposedly on £32k per week, I was wondering, does anyone know how these deals are brokered?" No-one on http://www.the-wande rer.co.uk/ has a good word to say about him. No-one. SMF20
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12:48pm Wed 30 Jul 14

tug509 says...

SMF20 wrote:
From a Bolton forum:

"If Ngog was British and had never played for PSG or Liverpool he would be languishing in League Two. He probably wouldn't even be scoring many goals there either. I can't believe the amount of money this guy has made."

"Eagles wildly inconsistent and NGog and Sordell being absolute wasters stealing a wage here..... I'm not sure he gets any blame for Lee's long-term demise. Not even for Eagles inconsistency. .."

"We told Dougie that Knight was crap. He made him captain
We told him that Ngog was worse. He insisted he was an excellent player in which to build his team around.
We all could have told him that Danns is better than Trotter"

"Thank Christ for that. When I heard we'd signed a Frog man I thought Ngog was on his way back"

"Now we've got rid of that lazy sod Ngog who was supposedly on £32k per week, I was wondering, does anyone know how these deals are brokered?"


No-one on http://www.the-wande

rer.co.uk/ has a good word to say about him. No-one.
Wow ,that seems pretty conclusive ,well Sami will be aware of this ,I thought he would be a good signing ,but to hear that from source ,I`ve changed my mind ,cheers SMF20 . The search continues....
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: From a Bolton forum: "If Ngog was British and had never played for PSG or Liverpool he would be languishing in League Two. He probably wouldn't even be scoring many goals there either. I can't believe the amount of money this guy has made." "Eagles wildly inconsistent and NGog and Sordell being absolute wasters stealing a wage here..... I'm not sure he gets any blame for Lee's long-term demise. Not even for Eagles inconsistency. .." "We told Dougie that Knight was crap. He made him captain We told him that Ngog was worse. He insisted he was an excellent player in which to build his team around. We all could have told him that Danns is better than Trotter" "Thank Christ for that. When I heard we'd signed a Frog man I thought Ngog was on his way back" "Now we've got rid of that lazy sod Ngog who was supposedly on £32k per week, I was wondering, does anyone know how these deals are brokered?" No-one on http://www.the-wande rer.co.uk/ has a good word to say about him. No-one.[/p][/quote]Wow ,that seems pretty conclusive ,well Sami will be aware of this ,I thought he would be a good signing ,but to hear that from source ,I`ve changed my mind ,cheers SMF20 . The search continues.... tug509
  • Score: 8

12:55pm Wed 30 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Yesterday I posted a comment about how paying a big price for a player doesn't mean that he is better than a player bought for a lot less. Ngog might come on a so called, 'free,' but he will cost decent money when his wages are added to his, 'golden hello,' payment. This is the type of signing I was thinking of, he might have a few good club names on his CV but I am not sure that he will get the job done for us.
Yesterday I posted a comment about how paying a big price for a player doesn't mean that he is better than a player bought for a lot less. Ngog might come on a so called, 'free,' but he will cost decent money when his wages are added to his, 'golden hello,' payment. This is the type of signing I was thinking of, he might have a few good club names on his CV but I am not sure that he will get the job done for us. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 11

12:57pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Major Bloodboil says...

Claude Back wrote:
pte wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
What a truly horrible beard.
you can't sign a player like that: he'd trip over his beard which is a health and safety hazard.

It has to be written into his contract, no beard or don't sign him.

Once his beard is shaved off his sell on value will double so could be a good investment
If he shaves off his beard he may run faster....less 'air resistance. ;-)
Or he could lose all his strength a la Samson!
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: What a truly horrible beard.[/p][/quote]you can't sign a player like that: he'd trip over his beard which is a health and safety hazard. It has to be written into his contract, no beard or don't sign him. Once his beard is shaved off his sell on value will double so could be a good investment[/p][/quote]If he shaves off his beard he may run faster....less 'air resistance. ;-)[/p][/quote]Or he could lose all his strength a la Samson! Major Bloodboil
  • Score: 7

12:59pm Wed 30 Jul 14

arc12 says...

Albion fan in London wrote:
Not sure about Clayton, don't know enough about him. Incidentally why would Cardiff loan a player to a Championship rival?
Blimey - one of the best midfielders in the Championship. What division are you watching? Only joking - he's a very good player and would be a real coup.
[quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: Not sure about Clayton, don't know enough about him. Incidentally why would Cardiff loan a player to a Championship rival?[/p][/quote]Blimey - one of the best midfielders in the Championship. What division are you watching? Only joking - he's a very good player and would be a real coup. arc12
  • Score: 11

1:16pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Grendel says...

Both these and Ward and we're all set.
Both these and Ward and we're all set. Grendel
  • Score: 5

1:29pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Max Ripple says...

SMF20 wrote:
From a Bolton forum:

"If Ngog was British and had never played for PSG or Liverpool he would be languishing in League Two. He probably wouldn't even be scoring many goals there either. I can't believe the amount of money this guy has made."

"Eagles wildly inconsistent and NGog and Sordell being absolute wasters stealing a wage here..... I'm not sure he gets any blame for Lee's long-term demise. Not even for Eagles inconsistency. .."

"We told Dougie that Knight was crap. He made him captain
We told him that Ngog was worse. He insisted he was an excellent player in which to build his team around.
We all could have told him that Danns is better than Trotter"

"Thank Christ for that. When I heard we'd signed a Frog man I thought Ngog was on his way back"

"Now we've got rid of that lazy sod Ngog who was supposedly on £32k per week, I was wondering, does anyone know how these deals are brokered?"


No-one on http://www.the-wande

rer.co.uk/ has a good word to say about him. No-one.
I think this sums up the crazy way these average players are often paid. Sign a player with a daft name and hopefully he might produce the goods. Sign a player no-one's heard of and if he scores goals then we'll be congratulated on signing a fantastic unknown. If they come from any washer but the UK they must be good..........etc etc.
Stay away for this bloke.
Thanks for the heads up SMF20.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: From a Bolton forum: "If Ngog was British and had never played for PSG or Liverpool he would be languishing in League Two. He probably wouldn't even be scoring many goals there either. I can't believe the amount of money this guy has made." "Eagles wildly inconsistent and NGog and Sordell being absolute wasters stealing a wage here..... I'm not sure he gets any blame for Lee's long-term demise. Not even for Eagles inconsistency. .." "We told Dougie that Knight was crap. He made him captain We told him that Ngog was worse. He insisted he was an excellent player in which to build his team around. We all could have told him that Danns is better than Trotter" "Thank Christ for that. When I heard we'd signed a Frog man I thought Ngog was on his way back" "Now we've got rid of that lazy sod Ngog who was supposedly on £32k per week, I was wondering, does anyone know how these deals are brokered?" No-one on http://www.the-wande rer.co.uk/ has a good word to say about him. No-one.[/p][/quote]I think this sums up the crazy way these average players are often paid. Sign a player with a daft name and hopefully he might produce the goods. Sign a player no-one's heard of and if he scores goals then we'll be congratulated on signing a fantastic unknown. If they come from any washer but the UK they must be good..........etc etc. Stay away for this bloke. Thanks for the heads up SMF20. Max Ripple
  • Score: 7

1:37pm Wed 30 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

To get Clayton three things have to come together.
First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro.
Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands.
Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.
To get Clayton three things have to come together. First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro. Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands. Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 6

1:44pm Wed 30 Jul 14

mikeygit says...

No Ngog then --a thumbs down--Lets hope the Clayton lad comes up trumps, all said seems we could be moving in the right direction, maybe some more positive news SOON???
No Ngog then --a thumbs down--Lets hope the Clayton lad comes up trumps, all said seems we could be moving in the right direction, maybe some more positive news SOON??? mikeygit
  • Score: 8

1:49pm Wed 30 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Max Ripple wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
From a Bolton forum:

"If Ngog was British and had never played for PSG or Liverpool he would be languishing in League Two. He probably wouldn't even be scoring many goals there either. I can't believe the amount of money this guy has made."

"Eagles wildly inconsistent and NGog and Sordell being absolute wasters stealing a wage here..... I'm not sure he gets any blame for Lee's long-term demise. Not even for Eagles inconsistency. .."

"We told Dougie that Knight was crap. He made him captain
We told him that Ngog was worse. He insisted he was an excellent player in which to build his team around.
We all could have told him that Danns is better than Trotter"

"Thank Christ for that. When I heard we'd signed a Frog man I thought Ngog was on his way back"

"Now we've got rid of that lazy sod Ngog who was supposedly on £32k per week, I was wondering, does anyone know how these deals are brokered?"


No-one on http://www.the-wande


rer.co.uk/ has a good word to say about him. No-one.
I think this sums up the crazy way these average players are often paid. Sign a player with a daft name and hopefully he might produce the goods. Sign a player no-one's heard of and if he scores goals then we'll be congratulated on signing a fantastic unknown. If they come from any washer but the UK they must be good..........etc etc.
Stay away for this bloke.
Thanks for the heads up SMF20.
Ngog was released several weeks ago, dozens of free agents have been snapped up during that time, why is he still available? Is it a question of his performance history, is it a question of money, is it both, either way he looks questionable.
Ward was also released several weeks ago, he too is still available, but his availability isn't down to performance history, he had a good year with us, so his issue is all about money.
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: From a Bolton forum: "If Ngog was British and had never played for PSG or Liverpool he would be languishing in League Two. He probably wouldn't even be scoring many goals there either. I can't believe the amount of money this guy has made." "Eagles wildly inconsistent and NGog and Sordell being absolute wasters stealing a wage here..... I'm not sure he gets any blame for Lee's long-term demise. Not even for Eagles inconsistency. .." "We told Dougie that Knight was crap. He made him captain We told him that Ngog was worse. He insisted he was an excellent player in which to build his team around. We all could have told him that Danns is better than Trotter" "Thank Christ for that. When I heard we'd signed a Frog man I thought Ngog was on his way back" "Now we've got rid of that lazy sod Ngog who was supposedly on £32k per week, I was wondering, does anyone know how these deals are brokered?" No-one on http://www.the-wande rer.co.uk/ has a good word to say about him. No-one.[/p][/quote]I think this sums up the crazy way these average players are often paid. Sign a player with a daft name and hopefully he might produce the goods. Sign a player no-one's heard of and if he scores goals then we'll be congratulated on signing a fantastic unknown. If they come from any washer but the UK they must be good..........etc etc. Stay away for this bloke. Thanks for the heads up SMF20.[/p][/quote]Ngog was released several weeks ago, dozens of free agents have been snapped up during that time, why is he still available? Is it a question of his performance history, is it a question of money, is it both, either way he looks questionable. Ward was also released several weeks ago, he too is still available, but his availability isn't down to performance history, he had a good year with us, so his issue is all about money. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -4

1:50pm Wed 30 Jul 14

gilbertthecat says...

The thing with any of these players is whether they are used within a playing system that gives them the best opportunity to produce and perform at their best. Take CMS as a prime example, and LU to an extent as well last season. Both are better than their goal tally would suggest but they weren't used effectively and with the kind of support they needed. Think they would have supported each other quite nicely but that's been done to death on here anyway. Back to the point, SH will have a system or style that he wants to play and will look to get players in that will react well to that style. Of course he's already got what he's got but he wants to add players to that who will be a good fit. So Mason or N'Gog may not have performed well elsewhere but might do so for SH. Conversely of course Clayton has done well for H'field, might not elsewhere.

Here's an example - Stephen Ward - didn't do it for Wolves, even in Div 1. Even now they don't want him despite the fact that last season he definitiely did it for us.

Basically I'm happy that SH and co. (yes including DB with the guiding hand of TB) make those decisions as (I sincerely hope) they can spot the round peg amongst all the square ones. Now get on and sign Clayton and Ward at least ;-)
The thing with any of these players is whether they are used within a playing system that gives them the best opportunity to produce and perform at their best. Take CMS as a prime example, and LU to an extent as well last season. Both are better than their goal tally would suggest but they weren't used effectively and with the kind of support they needed. Think they would have supported each other quite nicely but that's been done to death on here anyway. Back to the point, SH will have a system or style that he wants to play and will look to get players in that will react well to that style. Of course he's already got what he's got but he wants to add players to that who will be a good fit. So Mason or N'Gog may not have performed well elsewhere but might do so for SH. Conversely of course Clayton has done well for H'field, might not elsewhere. Here's an example - Stephen Ward - didn't do it for Wolves, even in Div 1. Even now they don't want him despite the fact that last season he definitiely did it for us. Basically I'm happy that SH and co. (yes including DB with the guiding hand of TB) make those decisions as (I sincerely hope) they can spot the round peg amongst all the square ones. Now get on and sign Clayton and Ward at least ;-) gilbertthecat
  • Score: 8

2:02pm Wed 30 Jul 14

SMF20 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
To get Clayton three things have to come together.
First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro.
Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands.
Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.
Vegas. Whilst I agree that our club and town have an awful lot to offer, it is worth remembering that Middlesbrough themselves have a lot to offer too.

Their stadium is fairly new, they have recently been in the Premiership, they have some very decent players in the ranks, they are spending money and to cap it all off, they have a good bunch of supporters too... Infact, best I saw at the Amex last season.

I would of course prefer Brighton and our club myself but have to say that I believe that it's not the no brainer you think it might be.
Respect your thoughts though.

Uta
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To get Clayton three things have to come together. First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro. Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands. Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.[/p][/quote]Vegas. Whilst I agree that our club and town have an awful lot to offer, it is worth remembering that Middlesbrough themselves have a lot to offer too. Their stadium is fairly new, they have recently been in the Premiership, they have some very decent players in the ranks, they are spending money and to cap it all off, they have a good bunch of supporters too... Infact, best I saw at the Amex last season. I would of course prefer Brighton and our club myself but have to say that I believe that it's not the no brainer you think it might be. Respect your thoughts though. Uta SMF20
  • Score: 14

2:03pm Wed 30 Jul 14

SMF20 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Max Ripple wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
From a Bolton forum:

"If Ngog was British and had never played for PSG or Liverpool he would be languishing in League Two. He probably wouldn't even be scoring many goals there either. I can't believe the amount of money this guy has made."

"Eagles wildly inconsistent and NGog and Sordell being absolute wasters stealing a wage here..... I'm not sure he gets any blame for Lee's long-term demise. Not even for Eagles inconsistency. .."

"We told Dougie that Knight was crap. He made him captain
We told him that Ngog was worse. He insisted he was an excellent player in which to build his team around.
We all could have told him that Danns is better than Trotter"

"Thank Christ for that. When I heard we'd signed a Frog man I thought Ngog was on his way back"

"Now we've got rid of that lazy sod Ngog who was supposedly on £32k per week, I was wondering, does anyone know how these deals are brokered?"


No-one on http://www.the-wande



rer.co.uk/ has a good word to say about him. No-one.
I think this sums up the crazy way these average players are often paid. Sign a player with a daft name and hopefully he might produce the goods. Sign a player no-one's heard of and if he scores goals then we'll be congratulated on signing a fantastic unknown. If they come from any washer but the UK they must be good..........etc etc.
Stay away for this bloke.
Thanks for the heads up SMF20.
Ngog was released several weeks ago, dozens of free agents have been snapped up during that time, why is he still available? Is it a question of his performance history, is it a question of money, is it both, either way he looks questionable.
Ward was also released several weeks ago, he too is still available, but his availability isn't down to performance history, he had a good year with us, so his issue is all about money.
Ward hasn't been released hence the waiting and negotiation? Have I missed something?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: From a Bolton forum: "If Ngog was British and had never played for PSG or Liverpool he would be languishing in League Two. He probably wouldn't even be scoring many goals there either. I can't believe the amount of money this guy has made." "Eagles wildly inconsistent and NGog and Sordell being absolute wasters stealing a wage here..... I'm not sure he gets any blame for Lee's long-term demise. Not even for Eagles inconsistency. .." "We told Dougie that Knight was crap. He made him captain We told him that Ngog was worse. He insisted he was an excellent player in which to build his team around. We all could have told him that Danns is better than Trotter" "Thank Christ for that. When I heard we'd signed a Frog man I thought Ngog was on his way back" "Now we've got rid of that lazy sod Ngog who was supposedly on £32k per week, I was wondering, does anyone know how these deals are brokered?" No-one on http://www.the-wande rer.co.uk/ has a good word to say about him. No-one.[/p][/quote]I think this sums up the crazy way these average players are often paid. Sign a player with a daft name and hopefully he might produce the goods. Sign a player no-one's heard of and if he scores goals then we'll be congratulated on signing a fantastic unknown. If they come from any washer but the UK they must be good..........etc etc. Stay away for this bloke. Thanks for the heads up SMF20.[/p][/quote]Ngog was released several weeks ago, dozens of free agents have been snapped up during that time, why is he still available? Is it a question of his performance history, is it a question of money, is it both, either way he looks questionable. Ward was also released several weeks ago, he too is still available, but his availability isn't down to performance history, he had a good year with us, so his issue is all about money.[/p][/quote]Ward hasn't been released hence the waiting and negotiation? Have I missed something? SMF20
  • Score: 8

2:15pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
To get Clayton three things have to come together.
First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro.
Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands.
Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.
This is one of those moments when I have to respond.
The first line of your comment regarding the fee is rather stating the flippin' obvious on ANY transfer..
The second line relating to wage demands, erm...ditto. So thanks for those two.
As for the third element. Have you ever seen Middlesbrough's training ground? It's obviously not as new as ours but with regards to facilities, location and a platform for success, it's superb.
Not an industrial chimney in sight and nestled into hundreds of acres of beautiful countryside with up-market villages such as Yarm and Crathorne within a few miles. That area also provides a much easier and quicker drive back to either Huddersfield, or his birthplace Manchester than the south coast does.
So anyone who falls into the trap of thinking the quality-of life-choice between signing for Brighton or Middlesbrough is a no-brainer, is way off beam.
If the lad is as good as suggested and has a straight choice, I sincerely hope he chooses Brighton, but it's wild assumptions of superiority like this, that can lead to unfair criticism of our club if ever the time comes and fans believe we've been beaten to a player by a bunch of gloomy, chemically challenged northerners.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To get Clayton three things have to come together. First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro. Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands. Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.[/p][/quote]This is one of those moments when I have to respond. The first line of your comment regarding the fee is rather stating the flippin' obvious on ANY transfer.. The second line relating to wage demands, erm...ditto. So thanks for those two. As for the third element. Have you ever seen Middlesbrough's training ground? It's obviously not as new as ours but with regards to facilities, location and a platform for success, it's superb. Not an industrial chimney in sight and nestled into hundreds of acres of beautiful countryside with up-market villages such as Yarm and Crathorne within a few miles. That area also provides a much easier and quicker drive back to either Huddersfield, or his birthplace Manchester than the south coast does. So anyone who falls into the trap of thinking the quality-of life-choice between signing for Brighton or Middlesbrough is a no-brainer, is way off beam. If the lad is as good as suggested and has a straight choice, I sincerely hope he chooses Brighton, but it's wild assumptions of superiority like this, that can lead to unfair criticism of our club if ever the time comes and fans believe we've been beaten to a player by a bunch of gloomy, chemically challenged northerners. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 21

2:26pm Wed 30 Jul 14

SMF20 says...

http://www.teamtalk.
com/news/2483/939474
9/-

Interesting read if you get the chance.

A piece in the article is by our very own Mr Ince
http://www.teamtalk. com/news/2483/939474 9/- Interesting read if you get the chance. A piece in the article is by our very own Mr Ince SMF20
  • Score: 4

2:32pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Newhavenles says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
What a truly horrible beard.
He can only play for us if he shaves that beard off,on the other hand he might be related to Samson
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: What a truly horrible beard.[/p][/quote]He can only play for us if he shaves that beard off,on the other hand he might be related to Samson Newhavenles
  • Score: 0

2:36pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Conelli98 says...

Albion fan in London wrote:
Not sure about Clayton, don't know enough about him. Incidentally why would Cardiff loan a player to a Championship rival?
Went to Huddersfield last season And he ran the midfield!! Would be a quality signing. Fans would love him as he played and commanded like a certain Horton or Grealish!
[quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: Not sure about Clayton, don't know enough about him. Incidentally why would Cardiff loan a player to a Championship rival?[/p][/quote]Went to Huddersfield last season And he ran the midfield!! Would be a quality signing. Fans would love him as he played and commanded like a certain Horton or Grealish! Conelli98
  • Score: 9

2:45pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Conelli98 says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To get Clayton three things have to come together.
First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro.
Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands.
Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.
This is one of those moments when I have to respond.
The first line of your comment regarding the fee is rather stating the flippin' obvious on ANY transfer..
The second line relating to wage demands, erm...ditto. So thanks for those two.
As for the third element. Have you ever seen Middlesbrough's training ground? It's obviously not as new as ours but with regards to facilities, location and a platform for success, it's superb.
Not an industrial chimney in sight and nestled into hundreds of acres of beautiful countryside with up-market villages such as Yarm and Crathorne within a few miles. That area also provides a much easier and quicker drive back to either Huddersfield, or his birthplace Manchester than the south coast does.
So anyone who falls into the trap of thinking the quality-of life-choice between signing for Brighton or Middlesbrough is a no-brainer, is way off beam.
If the lad is as good as suggested and has a straight choice, I sincerely hope he chooses Brighton, but it's wild assumptions of superiority like this, that can lead to unfair criticism of our club if ever the time comes and fans believe we've been beaten to a player by a bunch of gloomy, chemically challenged northerners.
I get what your saying Albion in the Potteries!😛
But according to the Stockdale kids we have fab Ice cream!🍦🍦🍦.
Come on Adam... All aboard Sami's Seaside Sundae Steamroller!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To get Clayton three things have to come together. First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro. Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands. Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.[/p][/quote]This is one of those moments when I have to respond. The first line of your comment regarding the fee is rather stating the flippin' obvious on ANY transfer.. The second line relating to wage demands, erm...ditto. So thanks for those two. As for the third element. Have you ever seen Middlesbrough's training ground? It's obviously not as new as ours but with regards to facilities, location and a platform for success, it's superb. Not an industrial chimney in sight and nestled into hundreds of acres of beautiful countryside with up-market villages such as Yarm and Crathorne within a few miles. That area also provides a much easier and quicker drive back to either Huddersfield, or his birthplace Manchester than the south coast does. So anyone who falls into the trap of thinking the quality-of life-choice between signing for Brighton or Middlesbrough is a no-brainer, is way off beam. If the lad is as good as suggested and has a straight choice, I sincerely hope he chooses Brighton, but it's wild assumptions of superiority like this, that can lead to unfair criticism of our club if ever the time comes and fans believe we've been beaten to a player by a bunch of gloomy, chemically challenged northerners.[/p][/quote]I get what your saying Albion in the Potteries!😛 But according to the Stockdale kids we have fab Ice cream!🍦🍦🍦. Come on Adam... All aboard Sami's Seaside Sundae Steamroller! Conelli98
  • Score: 8

2:47pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

The problem is players and managers come here, say it looks all good and then discover the club has no ambition and leave. We're getting an unwanted reputation as a club that won't deliver mainly due to the suits insistence on putting FFP as a priority over absolutely everything else. This means we have to fight twice as hard to sign players of even fairly average ability like Clayton for example. He did ok but nothing spectacular and Huddersfield hardly set the world alight last season. The fact that only Middlesbrough and us are serious about signing him tells you all you need to know, a mid table player of interest to mid table clubs. Your Fulhams your Norwich ' s, Forests', Bournemouths etc won't give him a second glance.
The problem is players and managers come here, say it looks all good and then discover the club has no ambition and leave. We're getting an unwanted reputation as a club that won't deliver mainly due to the suits insistence on putting FFP as a priority over absolutely everything else. This means we have to fight twice as hard to sign players of even fairly average ability like Clayton for example. He did ok but nothing spectacular and Huddersfield hardly set the world alight last season. The fact that only Middlesbrough and us are serious about signing him tells you all you need to know, a mid table player of interest to mid table clubs. Your Fulhams your Norwich ' s, Forests', Bournemouths etc won't give him a second glance. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -14

2:48pm Wed 30 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To get Clayton three things have to come together.
First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro.
Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands.
Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.
This is one of those moments when I have to respond.
The first line of your comment regarding the fee is rather stating the flippin' obvious on ANY transfer..
The second line relating to wage demands, erm...ditto. So thanks for those two.
As for the third element. Have you ever seen Middlesbrough's training ground? It's obviously not as new as ours but with regards to facilities, location and a platform for success, it's superb.
Not an industrial chimney in sight and nestled into hundreds of acres of beautiful countryside with up-market villages such as Yarm and Crathorne within a few miles. That area also provides a much easier and quicker drive back to either Huddersfield, or his birthplace Manchester than the south coast does.
So anyone who falls into the trap of thinking the quality-of life-choice between signing for Brighton or Middlesbrough is a no-brainer, is way off beam.
If the lad is as good as suggested and has a straight choice, I sincerely hope he chooses Brighton, but it's wild assumptions of superiority like this, that can lead to unfair criticism of our club if ever the time comes and fans believe we've been beaten to a player by a bunch of gloomy, chemically challenged northerners.
well we wold agree that we are all entitled to our opinons Staffs. You make a very spirited arguement why Clayton should not sign for Brighton, and as all that you have stated is correct, we might as forget about getting the lad.

My comment was more from the stand point of why he should choose Brighton rather than reasons why he shouldn't. My, 'no brainer,' comment, well that's based on what I thought of the north of England during my travels thru it compared to the south coast and the Sussex downs, and the city of Brighton in particular. But as I say, we are all entitled to our own opinions.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To get Clayton three things have to come together. First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro. Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands. Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.[/p][/quote]This is one of those moments when I have to respond. The first line of your comment regarding the fee is rather stating the flippin' obvious on ANY transfer.. The second line relating to wage demands, erm...ditto. So thanks for those two. As for the third element. Have you ever seen Middlesbrough's training ground? It's obviously not as new as ours but with regards to facilities, location and a platform for success, it's superb. Not an industrial chimney in sight and nestled into hundreds of acres of beautiful countryside with up-market villages such as Yarm and Crathorne within a few miles. That area also provides a much easier and quicker drive back to either Huddersfield, or his birthplace Manchester than the south coast does. So anyone who falls into the trap of thinking the quality-of life-choice between signing for Brighton or Middlesbrough is a no-brainer, is way off beam. If the lad is as good as suggested and has a straight choice, I sincerely hope he chooses Brighton, but it's wild assumptions of superiority like this, that can lead to unfair criticism of our club if ever the time comes and fans believe we've been beaten to a player by a bunch of gloomy, chemically challenged northerners.[/p][/quote]well we wold agree that we are all entitled to our opinons Staffs. You make a very spirited arguement why Clayton should not sign for Brighton, and as all that you have stated is correct, we might as forget about getting the lad. My comment was more from the stand point of why he should choose Brighton rather than reasons why he shouldn't. My, 'no brainer,' comment, well that's based on what I thought of the north of England during my travels thru it compared to the south coast and the Sussex downs, and the city of Brighton in particular. But as I say, we are all entitled to our own opinions. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -4

2:54pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Claude Back says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
To get Clayton three things have to come together.
First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro.
Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands.
Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.
You're rather stating the obvious there, Vegas. Sorry, but I am sure most of us have worked that out and you have overlooked one thing. He might prefer to be still up t'North with his family.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To get Clayton three things have to come together. First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro. Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands. Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.[/p][/quote]You're rather stating the obvious there, Vegas. Sorry, but I am sure most of us have worked that out and you have overlooked one thing. He might prefer to be still up t'North with his family. Claude Back
  • Score: 10

2:55pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Claude Back says...

Sorry, AIS, you obviously had the same thoughts and it crossed with my post.
Sorry, AIS, you obviously had the same thoughts and it crossed with my post. Claude Back
  • Score: 3

2:59pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Claude Back says...

Newhavenles wrote:
B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
What a truly horrible beard.
He can only play for us if he shaves that beard off,on the other hand he might be related to Samson
No problem. Samson's strength was in his scalp hair which was removed. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Newhavenles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: What a truly horrible beard.[/p][/quote]He can only play for us if he shaves that beard off,on the other hand he might be related to Samson[/p][/quote]No problem. Samson's strength was in his scalp hair which was removed. ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: 1

3:06pm Wed 30 Jul 14

AlanDuffy says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To get Clayton three things have to come together.
First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro.
Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands.
Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.
This is one of those moments when I have to respond.
The first line of your comment regarding the fee is rather stating the flippin' obvious on ANY transfer..
The second line relating to wage demands, erm...ditto. So thanks for those two.
As for the third element. Have you ever seen Middlesbrough's training ground? It's obviously not as new as ours but with regards to facilities, location and a platform for success, it's superb.
Not an industrial chimney in sight and nestled into hundreds of acres of beautiful countryside with up-market villages such as Yarm and Crathorne within a few miles. That area also provides a much easier and quicker drive back to either Huddersfield, or his birthplace Manchester than the south coast does.
So anyone who falls into the trap of thinking the quality-of life-choice between signing for Brighton or Middlesbrough is a no-brainer, is way off beam.
If the lad is as good as suggested and has a straight choice, I sincerely hope he chooses Brighton, but it's wild assumptions of superiority like this, that can lead to unfair criticism of our club if ever the time comes and fans believe we've been beaten to a player by a bunch of gloomy, chemically challenged northerners.
Nice one!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To get Clayton three things have to come together. First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro. Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands. Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.[/p][/quote]This is one of those moments when I have to respond. The first line of your comment regarding the fee is rather stating the flippin' obvious on ANY transfer.. The second line relating to wage demands, erm...ditto. So thanks for those two. As for the third element. Have you ever seen Middlesbrough's training ground? It's obviously not as new as ours but with regards to facilities, location and a platform for success, it's superb. Not an industrial chimney in sight and nestled into hundreds of acres of beautiful countryside with up-market villages such as Yarm and Crathorne within a few miles. That area also provides a much easier and quicker drive back to either Huddersfield, or his birthplace Manchester than the south coast does. So anyone who falls into the trap of thinking the quality-of life-choice between signing for Brighton or Middlesbrough is a no-brainer, is way off beam. If the lad is as good as suggested and has a straight choice, I sincerely hope he chooses Brighton, but it's wild assumptions of superiority like this, that can lead to unfair criticism of our club if ever the time comes and fans believe we've been beaten to a player by a bunch of gloomy, chemically challenged northerners.[/p][/quote]Nice one! AlanDuffy
  • Score: 9

3:08pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To get Clayton three things have to come together.
First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro.
Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands.
Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.
This is one of those moments when I have to respond.
The first line of your comment regarding the fee is rather stating the flippin' obvious on ANY transfer..
The second line relating to wage demands, erm...ditto. So thanks for those two.
As for the third element. Have you ever seen Middlesbrough's training ground? It's obviously not as new as ours but with regards to facilities, location and a platform for success, it's superb.
Not an industrial chimney in sight and nestled into hundreds of acres of beautiful countryside with up-market villages such as Yarm and Crathorne within a few miles. That area also provides a much easier and quicker drive back to either Huddersfield, or his birthplace Manchester than the south coast does.
So anyone who falls into the trap of thinking the quality-of life-choice between signing for Brighton or Middlesbrough is a no-brainer, is way off beam.
If the lad is as good as suggested and has a straight choice, I sincerely hope he chooses Brighton, but it's wild assumptions of superiority like this, that can lead to unfair criticism of our club if ever the time comes and fans believe we've been beaten to a player by a bunch of gloomy, chemically challenged northerners.
I get what your saying Albion in the Potteries!😛
But according to the Stockdale kids we have fab Ice cream!🍦🍦🍦.
Come on Adam... All aboard Sami's Seaside Sundae Steamroller!
As a point of order Conelli, I'm in Staffordshire, NOT the Potteries. Miles apart geographically and metaphorically!
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To get Clayton three things have to come together. First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro. Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands. Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.[/p][/quote]This is one of those moments when I have to respond. The first line of your comment regarding the fee is rather stating the flippin' obvious on ANY transfer.. The second line relating to wage demands, erm...ditto. So thanks for those two. As for the third element. Have you ever seen Middlesbrough's training ground? It's obviously not as new as ours but with regards to facilities, location and a platform for success, it's superb. Not an industrial chimney in sight and nestled into hundreds of acres of beautiful countryside with up-market villages such as Yarm and Crathorne within a few miles. That area also provides a much easier and quicker drive back to either Huddersfield, or his birthplace Manchester than the south coast does. So anyone who falls into the trap of thinking the quality-of life-choice between signing for Brighton or Middlesbrough is a no-brainer, is way off beam. If the lad is as good as suggested and has a straight choice, I sincerely hope he chooses Brighton, but it's wild assumptions of superiority like this, that can lead to unfair criticism of our club if ever the time comes and fans believe we've been beaten to a player by a bunch of gloomy, chemically challenged northerners.[/p][/quote]I get what your saying Albion in the Potteries!😛 But according to the Stockdale kids we have fab Ice cream!🍦🍦🍦. Come on Adam... All aboard Sami's Seaside Sundae Steamroller![/p][/quote]As a point of order Conelli, I'm in Staffordshire, NOT the Potteries. Miles apart geographically and metaphorically! Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 6

3:09pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Claude Back wrote:
Sorry, AIS, you obviously had the same thoughts and it crossed with my post.
Apology not necessary. We're all entitled to an opinion.... apparently!!!
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: Sorry, AIS, you obviously had the same thoughts and it crossed with my post.[/p][/quote]Apology not necessary. We're all entitled to an opinion.... apparently!!! Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 9

3:22pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To get Clayton three things have to come together.
First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro.
Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands.
Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.
This is one of those moments when I have to respond.
The first line of your comment regarding the fee is rather stating the flippin' obvious on ANY transfer..
The second line relating to wage demands, erm...ditto. So thanks for those two.
As for the third element. Have you ever seen Middlesbrough's training ground? It's obviously not as new as ours but with regards to facilities, location and a platform for success, it's superb.
Not an industrial chimney in sight and nestled into hundreds of acres of beautiful countryside with up-market villages such as Yarm and Crathorne within a few miles. That area also provides a much easier and quicker drive back to either Huddersfield, or his birthplace Manchester than the south coast does.
So anyone who falls into the trap of thinking the quality-of life-choice between signing for Brighton or Middlesbrough is a no-brainer, is way off beam.
If the lad is as good as suggested and has a straight choice, I sincerely hope he chooses Brighton, but it's wild assumptions of superiority like this, that can lead to unfair criticism of our club if ever the time comes and fans believe we've been beaten to a player by a bunch of gloomy, chemically challenged northerners.
well we wold agree that we are all entitled to our opinons Staffs. You make a very spirited arguement why Clayton should not sign for Brighton, and as all that you have stated is correct, we might as forget about getting the lad.

My comment was more from the stand point of why he should choose Brighton rather than reasons why he shouldn't. My, 'no brainer,' comment, well that's based on what I thought of the north of England during my travels thru it compared to the south coast and the Sussex downs, and the city of Brighton in particular. But as I say, we are all entitled to our own opinions.
There you go again. You're a case, mate you really are...
Spin both yours and my comments to defend your initial blinkered view. Not once did I suggest reasons why a player should or shouldn't sign for a club north or south, I merely righted your incorrect (note the word incorrect, not opinion-based) assessment of Middlesbrough and its surrounds.
Sure, there are scruffy areas around Teeside but then again, so there are around Brighton and Hove.
Your proclamation was that he had absolutely no choice, so please don't pretend otherwise nor indeed, make such absolute conclusions when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To get Clayton three things have to come together. First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro. Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands. Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.[/p][/quote]This is one of those moments when I have to respond. The first line of your comment regarding the fee is rather stating the flippin' obvious on ANY transfer.. The second line relating to wage demands, erm...ditto. So thanks for those two. As for the third element. Have you ever seen Middlesbrough's training ground? It's obviously not as new as ours but with regards to facilities, location and a platform for success, it's superb. Not an industrial chimney in sight and nestled into hundreds of acres of beautiful countryside with up-market villages such as Yarm and Crathorne within a few miles. That area also provides a much easier and quicker drive back to either Huddersfield, or his birthplace Manchester than the south coast does. So anyone who falls into the trap of thinking the quality-of life-choice between signing for Brighton or Middlesbrough is a no-brainer, is way off beam. If the lad is as good as suggested and has a straight choice, I sincerely hope he chooses Brighton, but it's wild assumptions of superiority like this, that can lead to unfair criticism of our club if ever the time comes and fans believe we've been beaten to a player by a bunch of gloomy, chemically challenged northerners.[/p][/quote]well we wold agree that we are all entitled to our opinons Staffs. You make a very spirited arguement why Clayton should not sign for Brighton, and as all that you have stated is correct, we might as forget about getting the lad. My comment was more from the stand point of why he should choose Brighton rather than reasons why he shouldn't. My, 'no brainer,' comment, well that's based on what I thought of the north of England during my travels thru it compared to the south coast and the Sussex downs, and the city of Brighton in particular. But as I say, we are all entitled to our own opinions.[/p][/quote]There you go again. You're a case, mate you really are... Spin both yours and my comments to defend your initial blinkered view. Not once did I suggest reasons why a player should or shouldn't sign for a club north or south, I merely righted your incorrect (note the word incorrect, not opinion-based) assessment of Middlesbrough and its surrounds. Sure, there are scruffy areas around Teeside but then again, so there are around Brighton and Hove. Your proclamation was that he had absolutely no choice, so please don't pretend otherwise nor indeed, make such absolute conclusions when you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 12

3:28pm Wed 30 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To get Clayton three things have to come together.
First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro.
Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands.
Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.
This is one of those moments when I have to respond.
The first line of your comment regarding the fee is rather stating the flippin' obvious on ANY transfer..
The second line relating to wage demands, erm...ditto. So thanks for those two.
As for the third element. Have you ever seen Middlesbrough's training ground? It's obviously not as new as ours but with regards to facilities, location and a platform for success, it's superb.
Not an industrial chimney in sight and nestled into hundreds of acres of beautiful countryside with up-market villages such as Yarm and Crathorne within a few miles. That area also provides a much easier and quicker drive back to either Huddersfield, or his birthplace Manchester than the south coast does.
So anyone who falls into the trap of thinking the quality-of life-choice between signing for Brighton or Middlesbrough is a no-brainer, is way off beam.
If the lad is as good as suggested and has a straight choice, I sincerely hope he chooses Brighton, but it's wild assumptions of superiority like this, that can lead to unfair criticism of our club if ever the time comes and fans believe we've been beaten to a player by a bunch of gloomy, chemically challenged northerners.
well we wold agree that we are all entitled to our opinons Staffs. You make a very spirited arguement why Clayton should not sign for Brighton, and as all that you have stated is correct, we might as forget about getting the lad.

My comment was more from the stand point of why he should choose Brighton rather than reasons why he shouldn't. My, 'no brainer,' comment, well that's based on what I thought of the north of England during my travels thru it compared to the south coast and the Sussex downs, and the city of Brighton in particular. But as I say, we are all entitled to our own opinions.
There you go again. You're a case, mate you really are...
Spin both yours and my comments to defend your initial blinkered view. Not once did I suggest reasons why a player should or shouldn't sign for a club north or south, I merely righted your incorrect (note the word incorrect, not opinion-based) assessment of Middlesbrough and its surrounds.
Sure, there are scruffy areas around Teeside but then again, so there are around Brighton and Hove.
Your proclamation was that he had absolutely no choice, so please don't pretend otherwise nor indeed, make such absolute conclusions when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
a 'no brainer,' situation is not one of, 'no choice,' it is one of a simple choice, an easy choice to make. In my opinion, based on what I saw and experienced of the north, it is a simple choice. Most comments on here are opinion based, you have your's and I have mine, and we are both forming our opinions on our experiences.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To get Clayton three things have to come together. First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro. Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands. Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.[/p][/quote]This is one of those moments when I have to respond. The first line of your comment regarding the fee is rather stating the flippin' obvious on ANY transfer.. The second line relating to wage demands, erm...ditto. So thanks for those two. As for the third element. Have you ever seen Middlesbrough's training ground? It's obviously not as new as ours but with regards to facilities, location and a platform for success, it's superb. Not an industrial chimney in sight and nestled into hundreds of acres of beautiful countryside with up-market villages such as Yarm and Crathorne within a few miles. That area also provides a much easier and quicker drive back to either Huddersfield, or his birthplace Manchester than the south coast does. So anyone who falls into the trap of thinking the quality-of life-choice between signing for Brighton or Middlesbrough is a no-brainer, is way off beam. If the lad is as good as suggested and has a straight choice, I sincerely hope he chooses Brighton, but it's wild assumptions of superiority like this, that can lead to unfair criticism of our club if ever the time comes and fans believe we've been beaten to a player by a bunch of gloomy, chemically challenged northerners.[/p][/quote]well we wold agree that we are all entitled to our opinons Staffs. You make a very spirited arguement why Clayton should not sign for Brighton, and as all that you have stated is correct, we might as forget about getting the lad. My comment was more from the stand point of why he should choose Brighton rather than reasons why he shouldn't. My, 'no brainer,' comment, well that's based on what I thought of the north of England during my travels thru it compared to the south coast and the Sussex downs, and the city of Brighton in particular. But as I say, we are all entitled to our own opinions.[/p][/quote]There you go again. You're a case, mate you really are... Spin both yours and my comments to defend your initial blinkered view. Not once did I suggest reasons why a player should or shouldn't sign for a club north or south, I merely righted your incorrect (note the word incorrect, not opinion-based) assessment of Middlesbrough and its surrounds. Sure, there are scruffy areas around Teeside but then again, so there are around Brighton and Hove. Your proclamation was that he had absolutely no choice, so please don't pretend otherwise nor indeed, make such absolute conclusions when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.[/p][/quote]a 'no brainer,' situation is not one of, 'no choice,' it is one of a simple choice, an easy choice to make. In my opinion, based on what I saw and experienced of the north, it is a simple choice. Most comments on here are opinion based, you have your's and I have mine, and we are both forming our opinions on our experiences. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -6

3:35pm Wed 30 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Staffs, if you go back and read your first reply to me, the paragraph that starts with, 'As the third element,' are these not reasons why he might choose not to sign for us, nothing to be gained by moving south, not with all Boro have to offer.
Staffs, if you go back and read your first reply to me, the paragraph that starts with, 'As the third element,' are these not reasons why he might choose not to sign for us, nothing to be gained by moving south, not with all Boro have to offer. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -7

3:36pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To get Clayton three things have to come together.
First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro.
Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands.
Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.
This is one of those moments when I have to respond.
The first line of your comment regarding the fee is rather stating the flippin' obvious on ANY transfer..
The second line relating to wage demands, erm...ditto. So thanks for those two.
As for the third element. Have you ever seen Middlesbrough's training ground? It's obviously not as new as ours but with regards to facilities, location and a platform for success, it's superb.
Not an industrial chimney in sight and nestled into hundreds of acres of beautiful countryside with up-market villages such as Yarm and Crathorne within a few miles. That area also provides a much easier and quicker drive back to either Huddersfield, or his birthplace Manchester than the south coast does.
So anyone who falls into the trap of thinking the quality-of life-choice between signing for Brighton or Middlesbrough is a no-brainer, is way off beam.
If the lad is as good as suggested and has a straight choice, I sincerely hope he chooses Brighton, but it's wild assumptions of superiority like this, that can lead to unfair criticism of our club if ever the time comes and fans believe we've been beaten to a player by a bunch of gloomy, chemically challenged northerners.
well we wold agree that we are all entitled to our opinons Staffs. You make a very spirited arguement why Clayton should not sign for Brighton, and as all that you have stated is correct, we might as forget about getting the lad.

My comment was more from the stand point of why he should choose Brighton rather than reasons why he shouldn't. My, 'no brainer,' comment, well that's based on what I thought of the north of England during my travels thru it compared to the south coast and the Sussex downs, and the city of Brighton in particular. But as I say, we are all entitled to our own opinions.
There you go again. You're a case, mate you really are...
Spin both yours and my comments to defend your initial blinkered view. Not once did I suggest reasons why a player should or shouldn't sign for a club north or south, I merely righted your incorrect (note the word incorrect, not opinion-based) assessment of Middlesbrough and its surrounds.
Sure, there are scruffy areas around Teeside but then again, so there are around Brighton and Hove.
Your proclamation was that he had absolutely no choice, so please don't pretend otherwise nor indeed, make such absolute conclusions when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
a 'no brainer,' situation is not one of, 'no choice,' it is one of a simple choice, an easy choice to make. In my opinion, based on what I saw and experienced of the north, it is a simple choice. Most comments on here are opinion based, you have your's and I have mine, and we are both forming our opinions on our experiences.
Definition in the Urban Dictionary of no-brainer "Something so obvious to be correct/appropriate, that it requires no contemplation."
I'll leave others to read and form their own 'opinions' on what you said.
I really can't be bothered.
Most of the time you 'opine' (see what I did there?) as if some wondrous sage, but hate it when you're challenged. I really hope you haven't got a younger brother.......
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To get Clayton three things have to come together. First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro. Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands. Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.[/p][/quote]This is one of those moments when I have to respond. The first line of your comment regarding the fee is rather stating the flippin' obvious on ANY transfer.. The second line relating to wage demands, erm...ditto. So thanks for those two. As for the third element. Have you ever seen Middlesbrough's training ground? It's obviously not as new as ours but with regards to facilities, location and a platform for success, it's superb. Not an industrial chimney in sight and nestled into hundreds of acres of beautiful countryside with up-market villages such as Yarm and Crathorne within a few miles. That area also provides a much easier and quicker drive back to either Huddersfield, or his birthplace Manchester than the south coast does. So anyone who falls into the trap of thinking the quality-of life-choice between signing for Brighton or Middlesbrough is a no-brainer, is way off beam. If the lad is as good as suggested and has a straight choice, I sincerely hope he chooses Brighton, but it's wild assumptions of superiority like this, that can lead to unfair criticism of our club if ever the time comes and fans believe we've been beaten to a player by a bunch of gloomy, chemically challenged northerners.[/p][/quote]well we wold agree that we are all entitled to our opinons Staffs. You make a very spirited arguement why Clayton should not sign for Brighton, and as all that you have stated is correct, we might as forget about getting the lad. My comment was more from the stand point of why he should choose Brighton rather than reasons why he shouldn't. My, 'no brainer,' comment, well that's based on what I thought of the north of England during my travels thru it compared to the south coast and the Sussex downs, and the city of Brighton in particular. But as I say, we are all entitled to our own opinions.[/p][/quote]There you go again. You're a case, mate you really are... Spin both yours and my comments to defend your initial blinkered view. Not once did I suggest reasons why a player should or shouldn't sign for a club north or south, I merely righted your incorrect (note the word incorrect, not opinion-based) assessment of Middlesbrough and its surrounds. Sure, there are scruffy areas around Teeside but then again, so there are around Brighton and Hove. Your proclamation was that he had absolutely no choice, so please don't pretend otherwise nor indeed, make such absolute conclusions when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.[/p][/quote]a 'no brainer,' situation is not one of, 'no choice,' it is one of a simple choice, an easy choice to make. In my opinion, based on what I saw and experienced of the north, it is a simple choice. Most comments on here are opinion based, you have your's and I have mine, and we are both forming our opinions on our experiences.[/p][/quote]Definition in the Urban Dictionary of no-brainer "Something so obvious to be correct/appropriate, that it requires no contemplation." I'll leave others to read and form their own 'opinions' on what you said. I really can't be bothered. Most of the time you 'opine' (see what I did there?) as if some wondrous sage, but hate it when you're challenged. I really hope you haven't got a younger brother....... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

3:43pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Staffs, if you go back and read your first reply to me, the paragraph that starts with, 'As the third element,' are these not reasons why he might choose not to sign for us, nothing to be gained by moving south, not with all Boro have to offer.
No no No!
They were all reasons why your comments were so facile that they created an incorrect comparison between the two places!
Your post drew the clear conclusion that if he joined Middlesbrough he was an idiot. (My word , not yours before you use it against me).
I was merely pointing out he had a realistic choice. Not once did I suggest Middlesbrough's package was better than ours. Go back read it again..
That's me finished on this. I'm going for a cricket net. It's a lovely venue, with trees, a tidily kept outfield and not an industrial chimney in sight. You really should try it sometime. It's not as far north Middlesbrough. Let me know when you're coming and I'll make sure I'm on holiday.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Staffs, if you go back and read your first reply to me, the paragraph that starts with, 'As the third element,' are these not reasons why he might choose not to sign for us, nothing to be gained by moving south, not with all Boro have to offer.[/p][/quote]No no No! They were all reasons why your comments were so facile that they created an incorrect comparison between the two places! Your post drew the clear conclusion that if he joined Middlesbrough he was an idiot. (My word , not yours before you use it against me). I was merely pointing out he had a realistic choice. Not once did I suggest Middlesbrough's package was better than ours. Go back read it again.. That's me finished on this. I'm going for a cricket net. It's a lovely venue, with trees, a tidily kept outfield and not an industrial chimney in sight. You really should try it sometime. It's not as far north Middlesbrough. Let me know when you're coming and I'll make sure I'm on holiday. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 5

3:52pm Wed 30 Jul 14

pte says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To get Clayton three things have to come together.
First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro.
Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands.
Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.
This is one of those moments when I have to respond.
The first line of your comment regarding the fee is rather stating the flippin' obvious on ANY transfer..
The second line relating to wage demands, erm...ditto. So thanks for those two.
As for the third element. Have you ever seen Middlesbrough's training ground? It's obviously not as new as ours but with regards to facilities, location and a platform for success, it's superb.
Not an industrial chimney in sight and nestled into hundreds of acres of beautiful countryside with up-market villages such as Yarm and Crathorne within a few miles. That area also provides a much easier and quicker drive back to either Huddersfield, or his birthplace Manchester than the south coast does.
So anyone who falls into the trap of thinking the quality-of life-choice between signing for Brighton or Middlesbrough is a no-brainer, is way off beam.
If the lad is as good as suggested and has a straight choice, I sincerely hope he chooses Brighton, but it's wild assumptions of superiority like this, that can lead to unfair criticism of our club if ever the time comes and fans believe we've been beaten to a player by a bunch of gloomy, chemically challenged northerners.
well we wold agree that we are all entitled to our opinons Staffs. You make a very spirited arguement why Clayton should not sign for Brighton, and as all that you have stated is correct, we might as forget about getting the lad.

My comment was more from the stand point of why he should choose Brighton rather than reasons why he shouldn't. My, 'no brainer,' comment, well that's based on what I thought of the north of England during my travels thru it compared to the south coast and the Sussex downs, and the city of Brighton in particular. But as I say, we are all entitled to our own opinions.
There you go again. You're a case, mate you really are...
Spin both yours and my comments to defend your initial blinkered view. Not once did I suggest reasons why a player should or shouldn't sign for a club north or south, I merely righted your incorrect (note the word incorrect, not opinion-based) assessment of Middlesbrough and its surrounds.
Sure, there are scruffy areas around Teeside but then again, so there are around Brighton and Hove.
Your proclamation was that he had absolutely no choice, so please don't pretend otherwise nor indeed, make such absolute conclusions when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
a 'no brainer,' situation is not one of, 'no choice,' it is one of a simple choice, an easy choice to make. In my opinion, based on what I saw and experienced of the north, it is a simple choice. Most comments on here are opinion based, you have your's and I have mine, and we are both forming our opinions on our experiences.
So he has a simple choice, if he goes to BHA he can live in Dyke Rd Avenue, but if he goes to Boro he will live in some run down council estate with a drug addict on benefits as his neighbour?

No, if Boro offer more he will go there end of. Pound for pound he can live in property twice the size as in the south. For not very much he can live in a beautiful detached property in the countryside. Some might consider that a no brainer
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To get Clayton three things have to come together. First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro. Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands. Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.[/p][/quote]This is one of those moments when I have to respond. The first line of your comment regarding the fee is rather stating the flippin' obvious on ANY transfer.. The second line relating to wage demands, erm...ditto. So thanks for those two. As for the third element. Have you ever seen Middlesbrough's training ground? It's obviously not as new as ours but with regards to facilities, location and a platform for success, it's superb. Not an industrial chimney in sight and nestled into hundreds of acres of beautiful countryside with up-market villages such as Yarm and Crathorne within a few miles. That area also provides a much easier and quicker drive back to either Huddersfield, or his birthplace Manchester than the south coast does. So anyone who falls into the trap of thinking the quality-of life-choice between signing for Brighton or Middlesbrough is a no-brainer, is way off beam. If the lad is as good as suggested and has a straight choice, I sincerely hope he chooses Brighton, but it's wild assumptions of superiority like this, that can lead to unfair criticism of our club if ever the time comes and fans believe we've been beaten to a player by a bunch of gloomy, chemically challenged northerners.[/p][/quote]well we wold agree that we are all entitled to our opinons Staffs. You make a very spirited arguement why Clayton should not sign for Brighton, and as all that you have stated is correct, we might as forget about getting the lad. My comment was more from the stand point of why he should choose Brighton rather than reasons why he shouldn't. My, 'no brainer,' comment, well that's based on what I thought of the north of England during my travels thru it compared to the south coast and the Sussex downs, and the city of Brighton in particular. But as I say, we are all entitled to our own opinions.[/p][/quote]There you go again. You're a case, mate you really are... Spin both yours and my comments to defend your initial blinkered view. Not once did I suggest reasons why a player should or shouldn't sign for a club north or south, I merely righted your incorrect (note the word incorrect, not opinion-based) assessment of Middlesbrough and its surrounds. Sure, there are scruffy areas around Teeside but then again, so there are around Brighton and Hove. Your proclamation was that he had absolutely no choice, so please don't pretend otherwise nor indeed, make such absolute conclusions when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.[/p][/quote]a 'no brainer,' situation is not one of, 'no choice,' it is one of a simple choice, an easy choice to make. In my opinion, based on what I saw and experienced of the north, it is a simple choice. Most comments on here are opinion based, you have your's and I have mine, and we are both forming our opinions on our experiences.[/p][/quote]So he has a simple choice, if he goes to BHA he can live in Dyke Rd Avenue, but if he goes to Boro he will live in some run down council estate with a drug addict on benefits as his neighbour? No, if Boro offer more he will go there end of. Pound for pound he can live in property twice the size as in the south. For not very much he can live in a beautiful detached property in the countryside. Some might consider that a no brainer pte
  • Score: 6

3:59pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Conelli98 says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To get Clayton three things have to come together.
First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro.
Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands.
Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.
This is one of those moments when I have to respond.
The first line of your comment regarding the fee is rather stating the flippin' obvious on ANY transfer..
The second line relating to wage demands, erm...ditto. So thanks for those two.
As for the third element. Have you ever seen Middlesbrough's training ground? It's obviously not as new as ours but with regards to facilities, location and a platform for success, it's superb.
Not an industrial chimney in sight and nestled into hundreds of acres of beautiful countryside with up-market villages such as Yarm and Crathorne within a few miles. That area also provides a much easier and quicker drive back to either Huddersfield, or his birthplace Manchester than the south coast does.
So anyone who falls into the trap of thinking the quality-of life-choice between signing for Brighton or Middlesbrough is a no-brainer, is way off beam.
If the lad is as good as suggested and has a straight choice, I sincerely hope he chooses Brighton, but it's wild assumptions of superiority like this, that can lead to unfair criticism of our club if ever the time comes and fans believe we've been beaten to a player by a bunch of gloomy, chemically challenged northerners.
I get what your saying Albion in the Potteries!😛
But according to the Stockdale kids we have fab Ice cream!🍦🍦🍦.
Come on Adam... All aboard Sami's Seaside Sundae Steamroller!
As a point of order Conelli, I'm in Staffordshire, NOT the Potteries. Miles apart geographically and metaphorically!
17.1 miles from Stafford to Stoke...23 mins normally but at 3.50pm they were quoting 27mins due to heavy traffic!!! Come on AIS EVERYBODY KNOWS, anywhere north of Watford is UP NORTH! Geographically you may not be the potteries but you can still see the smoke! 😝
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To get Clayton three things have to come together. First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro. Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands. Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.[/p][/quote]This is one of those moments when I have to respond. The first line of your comment regarding the fee is rather stating the flippin' obvious on ANY transfer.. The second line relating to wage demands, erm...ditto. So thanks for those two. As for the third element. Have you ever seen Middlesbrough's training ground? It's obviously not as new as ours but with regards to facilities, location and a platform for success, it's superb. Not an industrial chimney in sight and nestled into hundreds of acres of beautiful countryside with up-market villages such as Yarm and Crathorne within a few miles. That area also provides a much easier and quicker drive back to either Huddersfield, or his birthplace Manchester than the south coast does. So anyone who falls into the trap of thinking the quality-of life-choice between signing for Brighton or Middlesbrough is a no-brainer, is way off beam. If the lad is as good as suggested and has a straight choice, I sincerely hope he chooses Brighton, but it's wild assumptions of superiority like this, that can lead to unfair criticism of our club if ever the time comes and fans believe we've been beaten to a player by a bunch of gloomy, chemically challenged northerners.[/p][/quote]I get what your saying Albion in the Potteries!😛 But according to the Stockdale kids we have fab Ice cream!🍦🍦🍦. Come on Adam... All aboard Sami's Seaside Sundae Steamroller![/p][/quote]As a point of order Conelli, I'm in Staffordshire, NOT the Potteries. Miles apart geographically and metaphorically![/p][/quote]17.1 miles from Stafford to Stoke...23 mins normally but at 3.50pm they were quoting 27mins due to heavy traffic!!! Come on AIS EVERYBODY KNOWS, anywhere north of Watford is UP NORTH! Geographically you may not be the potteries but you can still see the smoke! 😝 Conelli98
  • Score: 2

4:08pm Wed 30 Jul 14

dave from bexill says...

tug509 wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
Lets face it, the beard certainly looks better coloured blue and white, than it would the red and white of Boro. Iv'e said before and being a boring twit, I'll repeat; this player is the closest I've seen to the great Brian Horton. A must for our club....(in my view)
Hi Dave ,
the Terriers lads seem to be sure he is going ,if true and we stump up the money ,he has a straight choice ,the place voted most miserable in all England or GOSBTS .
Hell Tug, Yes I used to work in that area aka the land of the "smoggies" and very different to the beautiful and fantastic city of Newcastle,with it's great shops, restaurants and proper ale. What I will say in defence of the Boro however is that the locals are canny, friendly, warm and very, very knowledgeable about footy.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: Lets face it, the beard certainly looks better coloured blue and white, than it would the red and white of Boro. Iv'e said before and being a boring twit, I'll repeat; this player is the closest I've seen to the great Brian Horton. A must for our club....(in my view)[/p][/quote]Hi Dave , the Terriers lads seem to be sure he is going ,if true and we stump up the money ,he has a straight choice ,the place voted most miserable in all England or GOSBTS .[/p][/quote]Hell Tug, Yes I used to work in that area aka the land of the "smoggies" and very different to the beautiful and fantastic city of Newcastle,with it's great shops, restaurants and proper ale. What I will say in defence of the Boro however is that the locals are canny, friendly, warm and very, very knowledgeable about footy. dave from bexill
  • Score: 5

4:32pm Wed 30 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Hi Tug, Hi Dave.
If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?
Hi Tug, Hi Dave. If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out? VegasSeagull
  • Score: -3

4:39pm Wed 30 Jul 14

AlanDuffy says...

pte wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
To get Clayton three things have to come together.
First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro.
Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands.
Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.
This is one of those moments when I have to respond.
The first line of your comment regarding the fee is rather stating the flippin' obvious on ANY transfer..
The second line relating to wage demands, erm...ditto. So thanks for those two.
As for the third element. Have you ever seen Middlesbrough's training ground? It's obviously not as new as ours but with regards to facilities, location and a platform for success, it's superb.
Not an industrial chimney in sight and nestled into hundreds of acres of beautiful countryside with up-market villages such as Yarm and Crathorne within a few miles. That area also provides a much easier and quicker drive back to either Huddersfield, or his birthplace Manchester than the south coast does.
So anyone who falls into the trap of thinking the quality-of life-choice between signing for Brighton or Middlesbrough is a no-brainer, is way off beam.
If the lad is as good as suggested and has a straight choice, I sincerely hope he chooses Brighton, but it's wild assumptions of superiority like this, that can lead to unfair criticism of our club if ever the time comes and fans believe we've been beaten to a player by a bunch of gloomy, chemically challenged northerners.
well we wold agree that we are all entitled to our opinons Staffs. You make a very spirited arguement why Clayton should not sign for Brighton, and as all that you have stated is correct, we might as forget about getting the lad.

My comment was more from the stand point of why he should choose Brighton rather than reasons why he shouldn't. My, 'no brainer,' comment, well that's based on what I thought of the north of England during my travels thru it compared to the south coast and the Sussex downs, and the city of Brighton in particular. But as I say, we are all entitled to our own opinions.
There you go again. You're a case, mate you really are...
Spin both yours and my comments to defend your initial blinkered view. Not once did I suggest reasons why a player should or shouldn't sign for a club north or south, I merely righted your incorrect (note the word incorrect, not opinion-based) assessment of Middlesbrough and its surrounds.
Sure, there are scruffy areas around Teeside but then again, so there are around Brighton and Hove.
Your proclamation was that he had absolutely no choice, so please don't pretend otherwise nor indeed, make such absolute conclusions when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
a 'no brainer,' situation is not one of, 'no choice,' it is one of a simple choice, an easy choice to make. In my opinion, based on what I saw and experienced of the north, it is a simple choice. Most comments on here are opinion based, you have your's and I have mine, and we are both forming our opinions on our experiences.
So he has a simple choice, if he goes to BHA he can live in Dyke Rd Avenue, but if he goes to Boro he will live in some run down council estate with a drug addict on benefits as his neighbour?

No, if Boro offer more he will go there end of. Pound for pound he can live in property twice the size as in the south. For not very much he can live in a beautiful detached property in the countryside. Some might consider that a no brainer
ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHH
HH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: To get Clayton three things have to come together. First we must bid a figure close to that being asked, and our bid has to be on a par, or better, than that offered by Boro. Second, the lad's wages, Orlandi would not haver been on chicken feed money, so we have a head start on meeting Clayton's demands. Lastly, which club would Clayton prefer to go to from a personal and career building point of view. Everything about Brighton is state of the art when it comes to facilities and stadium, we are a forward looking club and, we have a Chairman that is commited to our success. Clayton's career can only move in the right direction with us, and on a personal level, live in Brighton or Middlesborough, no disrespect to Boro and those that live there, but it's a no brainer.[/p][/quote]This is one of those moments when I have to respond. The first line of your comment regarding the fee is rather stating the flippin' obvious on ANY transfer.. The second line relating to wage demands, erm...ditto. So thanks for those two. As for the third element. Have you ever seen Middlesbrough's training ground? It's obviously not as new as ours but with regards to facilities, location and a platform for success, it's superb. Not an industrial chimney in sight and nestled into hundreds of acres of beautiful countryside with up-market villages such as Yarm and Crathorne within a few miles. That area also provides a much easier and quicker drive back to either Huddersfield, or his birthplace Manchester than the south coast does. So anyone who falls into the trap of thinking the quality-of life-choice between signing for Brighton or Middlesbrough is a no-brainer, is way off beam. If the lad is as good as suggested and has a straight choice, I sincerely hope he chooses Brighton, but it's wild assumptions of superiority like this, that can lead to unfair criticism of our club if ever the time comes and fans believe we've been beaten to a player by a bunch of gloomy, chemically challenged northerners.[/p][/quote]well we wold agree that we are all entitled to our opinons Staffs. You make a very spirited arguement why Clayton should not sign for Brighton, and as all that you have stated is correct, we might as forget about getting the lad. My comment was more from the stand point of why he should choose Brighton rather than reasons why he shouldn't. My, 'no brainer,' comment, well that's based on what I thought of the north of England during my travels thru it compared to the south coast and the Sussex downs, and the city of Brighton in particular. But as I say, we are all entitled to our own opinions.[/p][/quote]There you go again. You're a case, mate you really are... Spin both yours and my comments to defend your initial blinkered view. Not once did I suggest reasons why a player should or shouldn't sign for a club north or south, I merely righted your incorrect (note the word incorrect, not opinion-based) assessment of Middlesbrough and its surrounds. Sure, there are scruffy areas around Teeside but then again, so there are around Brighton and Hove. Your proclamation was that he had absolutely no choice, so please don't pretend otherwise nor indeed, make such absolute conclusions when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.[/p][/quote]a 'no brainer,' situation is not one of, 'no choice,' it is one of a simple choice, an easy choice to make. In my opinion, based on what I saw and experienced of the north, it is a simple choice. Most comments on here are opinion based, you have your's and I have mine, and we are both forming our opinions on our experiences.[/p][/quote]So he has a simple choice, if he goes to BHA he can live in Dyke Rd Avenue, but if he goes to Boro he will live in some run down council estate with a drug addict on benefits as his neighbour? No, if Boro offer more he will go there end of. Pound for pound he can live in property twice the size as in the south. For not very much he can live in a beautiful detached property in the countryside. Some might consider that a no brainer[/p][/quote]ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHH HH!!!!!!!!!!!!! AlanDuffy
  • Score: 3

4:47pm Wed 30 Jul 14

dave from bexill says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Hi Tug, Hi Dave.
If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?
I take your point Vegas and I was thinking that if Clayton did arrive, and of course it's only speculation, then we could be a bit top heavy with midfielders. However, it's a squad game and there's nothing like competition to keep players on their toes. Also, and only my view, I do think Clayton's a better player than we already have and I say that as a Crofts fan and with hope that JFC can up his game this season. Otherwise I would say any money would be better spent on areas of the team where we are a bit short.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hi Tug, Hi Dave. If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?[/p][/quote]I take your point Vegas and I was thinking that if Clayton did arrive, and of course it's only speculation, then we could be a bit top heavy with midfielders. However, it's a squad game and there's nothing like competition to keep players on their toes. Also, and only my view, I do think Clayton's a better player than we already have and I say that as a Crofts fan and with hope that JFC can up his game this season. Otherwise I would say any money would be better spent on areas of the team where we are a bit short. dave from bexill
  • Score: 3

5:00pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Albion fan in London says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Hi Tug, Hi Dave.
If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?
Crofts , Toko, Stephens, Clayton, Ince = JFC surplus and a loan out to league 1 hopefully, not one for now IMO!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hi Tug, Hi Dave. If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?[/p][/quote]Crofts , Toko, Stephens, Clayton, Ince = JFC surplus and a loan out to league 1 hopefully, not one for now IMO! Albion fan in London
  • Score: 3

5:04pm Wed 30 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

dave from bexill wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Hi Tug, Hi Dave.
If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?
I take your point Vegas and I was thinking that if Clayton did arrive, and of course it's only speculation, then we could be a bit top heavy with midfielders. However, it's a squad game and there's nothing like competition to keep players on their toes. Also, and only my view, I do think Clayton's a better player than we already have and I say that as a Crofts fan and with hope that JFC can up his game this season. Otherwise I would say any money would be better spent on areas of the team where we are a bit short.
I guess that I am just wondering where our three young players, JFC, Solly and Ince, will stand once our buying/borrowing, is complete.
Toko has come in as a replacement for Andrews role, but could he start ahead of Ince. If Clayton does come surely he would start ahead of JFC in midfield, Crofts, Stephens and Clayton looks like a good trio to choose from. We are reported to be looking for another wide player, we already have Buckley and Kaz so would the arrival of another affect Solly's place?

Last season we relied on the youth to get us thru, if the new arrivals go the way it is being suggested, those same youngsters could find playing time hard to come by.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hi Tug, Hi Dave. If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?[/p][/quote]I take your point Vegas and I was thinking that if Clayton did arrive, and of course it's only speculation, then we could be a bit top heavy with midfielders. However, it's a squad game and there's nothing like competition to keep players on their toes. Also, and only my view, I do think Clayton's a better player than we already have and I say that as a Crofts fan and with hope that JFC can up his game this season. Otherwise I would say any money would be better spent on areas of the team where we are a bit short.[/p][/quote]I guess that I am just wondering where our three young players, JFC, Solly and Ince, will stand once our buying/borrowing, is complete. Toko has come in as a replacement for Andrews role, but could he start ahead of Ince. If Clayton does come surely he would start ahead of JFC in midfield, Crofts, Stephens and Clayton looks like a good trio to choose from. We are reported to be looking for another wide player, we already have Buckley and Kaz so would the arrival of another affect Solly's place? Last season we relied on the youth to get us thru, if the new arrivals go the way it is being suggested, those same youngsters could find playing time hard to come by. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

5:07pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Can we end this argument about whether Middlesbrough or Brighton is the best place to live. These players earn good money and more than likely will live up to 50 miles away in villages or small holdings depending on the road network or their personal choice.
Adam Clayton might well choose Boro because he won't have to move home. He might actually not want to move to the south fcs.
These guys earn good money and with that comes the ability to make the choice where they live. Good luck to them.
Portsmouth is a small city with a large population and is quite deprived.
This is why their fans are so vociferous and get behind their team.
Just because the Albion is in the affluent south doesn't make it a foregone conclusion players will choose us over more northerly clubs. It may even seal the deal the other way.
I've lived up north and it is just as nice up there as it is down here.
I feel we're getting too arrogant. Rant over. UTA
Can we end this argument about whether Middlesbrough or Brighton is the best place to live. These players earn good money and more than likely will live up to 50 miles away in villages or small holdings depending on the road network or their personal choice. Adam Clayton might well choose Boro because he won't have to move home. He might actually not want to move to the south fcs. These guys earn good money and with that comes the ability to make the choice where they live. Good luck to them. Portsmouth is a small city with a large population and is quite deprived. This is why their fans are so vociferous and get behind their team. Just because the Albion is in the affluent south doesn't make it a foregone conclusion players will choose us over more northerly clubs. It may even seal the deal the other way. I've lived up north and it is just as nice up there as it is down here. I feel we're getting too arrogant. Rant over. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 11

5:08pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Albion fan in London says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
Not sure about Clayton, don't know enough about him. Incidentally why would Cardiff loan a player to a Championship rival?
Clayton is quality, as for Mason he won't get in there team, bought lefondre
He wont get in there team is my exact concern
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: Not sure about Clayton, don't know enough about him. Incidentally why would Cardiff loan a player to a Championship rival?[/p][/quote]Clayton is quality, as for Mason he won't get in there team, bought lefondre[/p][/quote]He wont get in there team is my exact concern Albion fan in London
  • Score: 2

5:25pm Wed 30 Jul 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
Can we end this argument about whether Middlesbrough or Brighton is the best place to live. These players earn good money and more than likely will live up to 50 miles away in villages or small holdings depending on the road network or their personal choice.
Adam Clayton might well choose Boro because he won't have to move home. He might actually not want to move to the south fcs.
These guys earn good money and with that comes the ability to make the choice where they live. Good luck to them.
Portsmouth is a small city with a large population and is quite deprived.
This is why their fans are so vociferous and get behind their team.
Just because the Albion is in the affluent south doesn't make it a foregone conclusion players will choose us over more northerly clubs. It may even seal the deal the other way.
I've lived up north and it is just as nice up there as it is down here.
I feel we're getting too arrogant. Rant over. UTA
So you want to start the argument getting portsmouth involved have they not suffered enough.
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: Can we end this argument about whether Middlesbrough or Brighton is the best place to live. These players earn good money and more than likely will live up to 50 miles away in villages or small holdings depending on the road network or their personal choice. Adam Clayton might well choose Boro because he won't have to move home. He might actually not want to move to the south fcs. These guys earn good money and with that comes the ability to make the choice where they live. Good luck to them. Portsmouth is a small city with a large population and is quite deprived. This is why their fans are so vociferous and get behind their team. Just because the Albion is in the affluent south doesn't make it a foregone conclusion players will choose us over more northerly clubs. It may even seal the deal the other way. I've lived up north and it is just as nice up there as it is down here. I feel we're getting too arrogant. Rant over. UTA[/p][/quote]So you want to start the argument getting portsmouth involved have they not suffered enough. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 1

5:28pm Wed 30 Jul 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
Joel'sGrandad wrote:
Can we end this argument about whether Middlesbrough or Brighton is the best place to live. These players earn good money and more than likely will live up to 50 miles away in villages or small holdings depending on the road network or their personal choice.
Adam Clayton might well choose Boro because he won't have to move home. He might actually not want to move to the south fcs.
These guys earn good money and with that comes the ability to make the choice where they live. Good luck to them.
Portsmouth is a small city with a large population and is quite deprived.
This is why their fans are so vociferous and get behind their team.
Just because the Albion is in the affluent south doesn't make it a foregone conclusion players will choose us over more northerly clubs. It may even seal the deal the other way.
I've lived up north and it is just as nice up there as it is down here.
I feel we're getting too arrogant. Rant over. UTA
So you want to start the argument getting portsmouth involved have they not suffered enough.
Btw read your comment on the pcso, agree totally,are you a ex copper.
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: Can we end this argument about whether Middlesbrough or Brighton is the best place to live. These players earn good money and more than likely will live up to 50 miles away in villages or small holdings depending on the road network or their personal choice. Adam Clayton might well choose Boro because he won't have to move home. He might actually not want to move to the south fcs. These guys earn good money and with that comes the ability to make the choice where they live. Good luck to them. Portsmouth is a small city with a large population and is quite deprived. This is why their fans are so vociferous and get behind their team. Just because the Albion is in the affluent south doesn't make it a foregone conclusion players will choose us over more northerly clubs. It may even seal the deal the other way. I've lived up north and it is just as nice up there as it is down here. I feel we're getting too arrogant. Rant over. UTA[/p][/quote]So you want to start the argument getting portsmouth involved have they not suffered enough.[/p][/quote]Btw read your comment on the pcso, agree totally,are you a ex copper. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 1

5:53pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
Joel'sGrandad wrote:
Can we end this argument about whether Middlesbrough or Brighton is the best place to live. These players earn good money and more than likely will live up to 50 miles away in villages or small holdings depending on the road network or their personal choice.
Adam Clayton might well choose Boro because he won't have to move home. He might actually not want to move to the south fcs.
These guys earn good money and with that comes the ability to make the choice where they live. Good luck to them.
Portsmouth is a small city with a large population and is quite deprived.
This is why their fans are so vociferous and get behind their team.
Just because the Albion is in the affluent south doesn't make it a foregone conclusion players will choose us over more northerly clubs. It may even seal the deal the other way.
I've lived up north and it is just as nice up there as it is down here.
I feel we're getting too arrogant. Rant over. UTA
So you want to start the argument getting portsmouth involved have they not suffered enough.
Btw read your comment on the pcso, agree totally,are you a ex copper.
Wouldn't want to get in any argument with Pompey fans. I'm just sympathetic with what they are going through. Just trying to make the point that it's not all roses down south.
And just because we're on the way up it doesn't mean we should look down on smaller clubs or other clubs north of Watford.
Re the PCSO. No I'm not an ex copper but my late dad was. One of the old school. UTA
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: Can we end this argument about whether Middlesbrough or Brighton is the best place to live. These players earn good money and more than likely will live up to 50 miles away in villages or small holdings depending on the road network or their personal choice. Adam Clayton might well choose Boro because he won't have to move home. He might actually not want to move to the south fcs. These guys earn good money and with that comes the ability to make the choice where they live. Good luck to them. Portsmouth is a small city with a large population and is quite deprived. This is why their fans are so vociferous and get behind their team. Just because the Albion is in the affluent south doesn't make it a foregone conclusion players will choose us over more northerly clubs. It may even seal the deal the other way. I've lived up north and it is just as nice up there as it is down here. I feel we're getting too arrogant. Rant over. UTA[/p][/quote]So you want to start the argument getting portsmouth involved have they not suffered enough.[/p][/quote]Btw read your comment on the pcso, agree totally,are you a ex copper.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't want to get in any argument with Pompey fans. I'm just sympathetic with what they are going through. Just trying to make the point that it's not all roses down south. And just because we're on the way up it doesn't mean we should look down on smaller clubs or other clubs north of Watford. Re the PCSO. No I'm not an ex copper but my late dad was. One of the old school. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 5

5:57pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Albion fan in London says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
Not sure about Clayton, don't know enough about him. Incidentally why would Cardiff loan a player to a Championship rival?
Went to Huddersfield last season And he ran the midfield!! Would be a quality signing. Fans would love him as he played and commanded like a certain Horton or Grealish!
He sounds awesome. Lets hope he signs for us
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: Not sure about Clayton, don't know enough about him. Incidentally why would Cardiff loan a player to a Championship rival?[/p][/quote]Went to Huddersfield last season And he ran the midfield!! Would be a quality signing. Fans would love him as he played and commanded like a certain Horton or Grealish![/p][/quote]He sounds awesome. Lets hope he signs for us Albion fan in London
  • Score: 4

5:59pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

Just a few relatively quick comments in addition to the ones I made in the 'Macca needs to be Patient' thread before the Argus posted this one.
Firstly I very much hope we sign Clayton wo is IMO exactly the type of player we have needed during the last few season. Should we fail to secure him then we need to move quickly for another creative Midfielder.
Secondly I think both N'Gog (my preference of the two) or Mason would be OK as one of our support strikers but I do not see them in any conceivable way as being a replacement for Ulloa. We still need as a priority to bring in a class striker - hopefully we will do so before the Wednesday game. Support strikers like N'Gog are needed I feel, especially in the first part of the season, while CMS gets back to his best.
Thirdly a LB should also be high on our 'hit list'. If we don't sign Ward in the next couple of days lets move on and get someone else in.
Finally as one or two other posters mentioned, I hope Burke is not just putting up his favourite targets to Hyypia but is providing a wide choice of potential new signings whom SH can consider and then give him (Burke) the go ahead to pursue. I trust that with the (perceived) greater involvement of TB in the recruitment process that this is the case.
Onwards and Upwards.
Just a few relatively quick comments in addition to the ones I made in the 'Macca needs to be Patient' thread before the Argus posted this one. Firstly I very much hope we sign Clayton wo is IMO exactly the type of player we have needed during the last few season. Should we fail to secure him then we need to move quickly for another creative Midfielder. Secondly I think both N'Gog (my preference of the two) or Mason would be OK as one of our support strikers but I do not see them in any conceivable way as being a replacement for Ulloa. We still need as a priority to bring in a class striker - hopefully we will do so before the Wednesday game. Support strikers like N'Gog are needed I feel, especially in the first part of the season, while CMS gets back to his best. Thirdly a LB should also be high on our 'hit list'. If we don't sign Ward in the next couple of days lets move on and get someone else in. Finally as one or two other posters mentioned, I hope Burke is not just putting up his favourite targets to Hyypia but is providing a wide choice of potential new signings whom SH can consider and then give him (Burke) the go ahead to pursue. I trust that with the (perceived) greater involvement of TB in the recruitment process that this is the case. Onwards and Upwards. ballantrrae
  • Score: 4

6:12pm Wed 30 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Hi Tug, Hi Dave.
If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?
I take your point Vegas and I was thinking that if Clayton did arrive, and of course it's only speculation, then we could be a bit top heavy with midfielders. However, it's a squad game and there's nothing like competition to keep players on their toes. Also, and only my view, I do think Clayton's a better player than we already have and I say that as a Crofts fan and with hope that JFC can up his game this season. Otherwise I would say any money would be better spent on areas of the team where we are a bit short.
I guess that I am just wondering where our three young players, JFC, Solly and Ince, will stand once our buying/borrowing, is complete.
Toko has come in as a replacement for Andrews role, but could he start ahead of Ince. If Clayton does come surely he would start ahead of JFC in midfield, Crofts, Stephens and Clayton looks like a good trio to choose from. We are reported to be looking for another wide player, we already have Buckley and Kaz so would the arrival of another affect Solly's place?

Last season we relied on the youth to get us thru, if the new arrivals go the way it is being suggested, those same youngsters could find playing time hard to come by.
I did wonder about our set up, if are to accommodate a central three, two wingers, where exactly does CMS play? I have a feeling he is going to play off the left wing into a central channel when we have the ball ..
Clayton is a quality player, another one at a good age,
As you say I can't see ince, jfc or march getting a start , but the shirt is there to be kept, play well and you start next week, that's how united worked for years...
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hi Tug, Hi Dave. If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?[/p][/quote]I take your point Vegas and I was thinking that if Clayton did arrive, and of course it's only speculation, then we could be a bit top heavy with midfielders. However, it's a squad game and there's nothing like competition to keep players on their toes. Also, and only my view, I do think Clayton's a better player than we already have and I say that as a Crofts fan and with hope that JFC can up his game this season. Otherwise I would say any money would be better spent on areas of the team where we are a bit short.[/p][/quote]I guess that I am just wondering where our three young players, JFC, Solly and Ince, will stand once our buying/borrowing, is complete. Toko has come in as a replacement for Andrews role, but could he start ahead of Ince. If Clayton does come surely he would start ahead of JFC in midfield, Crofts, Stephens and Clayton looks like a good trio to choose from. We are reported to be looking for another wide player, we already have Buckley and Kaz so would the arrival of another affect Solly's place? Last season we relied on the youth to get us thru, if the new arrivals go the way it is being suggested, those same youngsters could find playing time hard to come by.[/p][/quote]I did wonder about our set up, if are to accommodate a central three, two wingers, where exactly does CMS play? I have a feeling he is going to play off the left wing into a central channel when we have the ball .. Clayton is a quality player, another one at a good age, As you say I can't see ince, jfc or march getting a start , but the shirt is there to be kept, play well and you start next week, that's how united worked for years... mark by the sea
  • Score: 6

6:15pm Wed 30 Jul 14

stonegold says...

Albion fan in London wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Hi Tug, Hi Dave.
If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?
Crofts , Toko, Stephens, Clayton, Ince = JFC surplus and a loan out to league 1 hopefully, not one for now IMO!
I would hope Agustien would get shipped before JFC - the thought of watching him "grace" our midfield this season makes me cringe.
[quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hi Tug, Hi Dave. If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?[/p][/quote]Crofts , Toko, Stephens, Clayton, Ince = JFC surplus and a loan out to league 1 hopefully, not one for now IMO![/p][/quote]I would hope Agustien would get shipped before JFC - the thought of watching him "grace" our midfield this season makes me cringe. stonegold
  • Score: 3

6:40pm Wed 30 Jul 14

gordongull says...

I don't think many people are taking Chris O'Grady seriously enough. Maybe it is because he only cost half a million, he is not seen as a potential top striker.
Chris scored 15 in last season's Championship for struggling Barnsley, so he should be good for 20+ in what we hope will be a more successful and attack-minded Albion side.
If we sign Mason or N'Gog, Chris will still be our number one striker, as he has a better record than either at this level. Not that I think N'Gog is a goer.
I don't think many people are taking Chris O'Grady seriously enough. Maybe it is because he only cost half a million, he is not seen as a potential top striker. Chris scored 15 in last season's Championship for struggling Barnsley, so he should be good for 20+ in what we hope will be a more successful and attack-minded Albion side. If we sign Mason or N'Gog, Chris will still be our number one striker, as he has a better record than either at this level. Not that I think N'Gog is a goer. gordongull
  • Score: 2

6:42pm Wed 30 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Mark of the three youngsters that got us thru last season, Solly March could be best placed for this season.
Play with two wide men, maybe, but it's not something we have done that much but perhaps that will be one of Hyypia's changes.

I wonder, do you think Hyppia will indulge in much player rotation, there were so many calls on here last season for Garcia to, 'always,' send out his strongest team, or what, 'we,' thought was the strongest.

Do you have any fears regarding the full recovery of both CMS and Crofts, not to mention Buckley. Can we rely on them for a whole season?
Mark of the three youngsters that got us thru last season, Solly March could be best placed for this season. Play with two wide men, maybe, but it's not something we have done that much but perhaps that will be one of Hyypia's changes. I wonder, do you think Hyppia will indulge in much player rotation, there were so many calls on here last season for Garcia to, 'always,' send out his strongest team, or what, 'we,' thought was the strongest. Do you have any fears regarding the full recovery of both CMS and Crofts, not to mention Buckley. Can we rely on them for a whole season? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

7:02pm Wed 30 Jul 14

stonegold says...

David N'Gog? DAVID N'GOG? Seriously?
David N'Gog? DAVID N'GOG? Seriously? stonegold
  • Score: 1

7:17pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Hi Tug, Hi Dave.
If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?
I take your point Vegas and I was thinking that if Clayton did arrive, and of course it's only speculation, then we could be a bit top heavy with midfielders. However, it's a squad game and there's nothing like competition to keep players on their toes. Also, and only my view, I do think Clayton's a better player than we already have and I say that as a Crofts fan and with hope that JFC can up his game this season. Otherwise I would say any money would be better spent on areas of the team where we are a bit short.
I guess that I am just wondering where our three young players, JFC, Solly and Ince, will stand once our buying/borrowing, is complete.
Toko has come in as a replacement for Andrews role, but could he start ahead of Ince. If Clayton does come surely he would start ahead of JFC in midfield, Crofts, Stephens and Clayton looks like a good trio to choose from. We are reported to be looking for another wide player, we already have Buckley and Kaz so would the arrival of another affect Solly's place?

Last season we relied on the youth to get us thru, if the new arrivals go the way it is being suggested, those same youngsters could find playing time hard to come by.
Vegas the Argus reported about a week ago that the Albion are looking to use March more as an attacking central midfielder rather than as a winger. If that is the case then we only have two wide players Buckley and LuaLua both of whom as we all know only too well are injury prone. Because of WB's or KLL's injury record it would be prudent to have one more winger perhaps Lingard or someone with similar attributes who can also play more centrally if required.
With regards to JFC he looks about the only existing CM who is comfortable playing on the left so he should get plenty of game time.
Turning to Ince I anticipate that he will contest the Defensive Midfielder role with Togo.
So all three of our young players should get opportunities this season.
UTA.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hi Tug, Hi Dave. If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?[/p][/quote]I take your point Vegas and I was thinking that if Clayton did arrive, and of course it's only speculation, then we could be a bit top heavy with midfielders. However, it's a squad game and there's nothing like competition to keep players on their toes. Also, and only my view, I do think Clayton's a better player than we already have and I say that as a Crofts fan and with hope that JFC can up his game this season. Otherwise I would say any money would be better spent on areas of the team where we are a bit short.[/p][/quote]I guess that I am just wondering where our three young players, JFC, Solly and Ince, will stand once our buying/borrowing, is complete. Toko has come in as a replacement for Andrews role, but could he start ahead of Ince. If Clayton does come surely he would start ahead of JFC in midfield, Crofts, Stephens and Clayton looks like a good trio to choose from. We are reported to be looking for another wide player, we already have Buckley and Kaz so would the arrival of another affect Solly's place? Last season we relied on the youth to get us thru, if the new arrivals go the way it is being suggested, those same youngsters could find playing time hard to come by.[/p][/quote]Vegas the Argus reported about a week ago that the Albion are looking to use March more as an attacking central midfielder rather than as a winger. If that is the case then we only have two wide players Buckley and LuaLua both of whom as we all know only too well are injury prone. Because of WB's or KLL's injury record it would be prudent to have one more winger perhaps Lingard or someone with similar attributes who can also play more centrally if required. With regards to JFC he looks about the only existing CM who is comfortable playing on the left so he should get plenty of game time. Turning to Ince I anticipate that he will contest the Defensive Midfielder role with Togo. So all three of our young players should get opportunities this season. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

7:49pm Wed 30 Jul 14

SMF20 says...

ballantrrae wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Hi Tug, Hi Dave.
If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?
I take your point Vegas and I was thinking that if Clayton did arrive, and of course it's only speculation, then we could be a bit top heavy with midfielders. However, it's a squad game and there's nothing like competition to keep players on their toes. Also, and only my view, I do think Clayton's a better player than we already have and I say that as a Crofts fan and with hope that JFC can up his game this season. Otherwise I would say any money would be better spent on areas of the team where we are a bit short.
I guess that I am just wondering where our three young players, JFC, Solly and Ince, will stand once our buying/borrowing, is complete.
Toko has come in as a replacement for Andrews role, but could he start ahead of Ince. If Clayton does come surely he would start ahead of JFC in midfield, Crofts, Stephens and Clayton looks like a good trio to choose from. We are reported to be looking for another wide player, we already have Buckley and Kaz so would the arrival of another affect Solly's place?

Last season we relied on the youth to get us thru, if the new arrivals go the way it is being suggested, those same youngsters could find playing time hard to come by.
Vegas the Argus reported about a week ago that the Albion are looking to use March more as an attacking central midfielder rather than as a winger. If that is the case then we only have two wide players Buckley and LuaLua both of whom as we all know only too well are injury prone. Because of WB's or KLL's injury record it would be prudent to have one more winger perhaps Lingard or someone with similar attributes who can also play more centrally if required.
With regards to JFC he looks about the only existing CM who is comfortable playing on the left so he should get plenty of game time.
Turning to Ince I anticipate that he will contest the Defensive Midfielder role with Togo.
So all three of our young players should get opportunities this season.
UTA.
I don't think even Ince could compete for a position against a whole country my friend...
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hi Tug, Hi Dave. If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?[/p][/quote]I take your point Vegas and I was thinking that if Clayton did arrive, and of course it's only speculation, then we could be a bit top heavy with midfielders. However, it's a squad game and there's nothing like competition to keep players on their toes. Also, and only my view, I do think Clayton's a better player than we already have and I say that as a Crofts fan and with hope that JFC can up his game this season. Otherwise I would say any money would be better spent on areas of the team where we are a bit short.[/p][/quote]I guess that I am just wondering where our three young players, JFC, Solly and Ince, will stand once our buying/borrowing, is complete. Toko has come in as a replacement for Andrews role, but could he start ahead of Ince. If Clayton does come surely he would start ahead of JFC in midfield, Crofts, Stephens and Clayton looks like a good trio to choose from. We are reported to be looking for another wide player, we already have Buckley and Kaz so would the arrival of another affect Solly's place? Last season we relied on the youth to get us thru, if the new arrivals go the way it is being suggested, those same youngsters could find playing time hard to come by.[/p][/quote]Vegas the Argus reported about a week ago that the Albion are looking to use March more as an attacking central midfielder rather than as a winger. If that is the case then we only have two wide players Buckley and LuaLua both of whom as we all know only too well are injury prone. Because of WB's or KLL's injury record it would be prudent to have one more winger perhaps Lingard or someone with similar attributes who can also play more centrally if required. With regards to JFC he looks about the only existing CM who is comfortable playing on the left so he should get plenty of game time. Turning to Ince I anticipate that he will contest the Defensive Midfielder role with Togo. So all three of our young players should get opportunities this season. UTA.[/p][/quote]I don't think even Ince could compete for a position against a whole country my friend... SMF20
  • Score: 7

8:07pm Wed 30 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

ballantrrae wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Hi Tug, Hi Dave.
If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?
I take your point Vegas and I was thinking that if Clayton did arrive, and of course it's only speculation, then we could be a bit top heavy with midfielders. However, it's a squad game and there's nothing like competition to keep players on their toes. Also, and only my view, I do think Clayton's a better player than we already have and I say that as a Crofts fan and with hope that JFC can up his game this season. Otherwise I would say any money would be better spent on areas of the team where we are a bit short.
I guess that I am just wondering where our three young players, JFC, Solly and Ince, will stand once our buying/borrowing, is complete.
Toko has come in as a replacement for Andrews role, but could he start ahead of Ince. If Clayton does come surely he would start ahead of JFC in midfield, Crofts, Stephens and Clayton looks like a good trio to choose from. We are reported to be looking for another wide player, we already have Buckley and Kaz so would the arrival of another affect Solly's place?

Last season we relied on the youth to get us thru, if the new arrivals go the way it is being suggested, those same youngsters could find playing time hard to come by.
Vegas the Argus reported about a week ago that the Albion are looking to use March more as an attacking central midfielder rather than as a winger. If that is the case then we only have two wide players Buckley and LuaLua both of whom as we all know only too well are injury prone. Because of WB's or KLL's injury record it would be prudent to have one more winger perhaps Lingard or someone with similar attributes who can also play more centrally if required.
With regards to JFC he looks about the only existing CM who is comfortable playing on the left so he should get plenty of game time.
Turning to Ince I anticipate that he will contest the Defensive Midfielder role with Togo.
So all three of our young players should get opportunities this season.
UTA.
ok so if Clayton does arrive, who makes room for him if not JFC, especially when we add what the club stated re March?
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hi Tug, Hi Dave. If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?[/p][/quote]I take your point Vegas and I was thinking that if Clayton did arrive, and of course it's only speculation, then we could be a bit top heavy with midfielders. However, it's a squad game and there's nothing like competition to keep players on their toes. Also, and only my view, I do think Clayton's a better player than we already have and I say that as a Crofts fan and with hope that JFC can up his game this season. Otherwise I would say any money would be better spent on areas of the team where we are a bit short.[/p][/quote]I guess that I am just wondering where our three young players, JFC, Solly and Ince, will stand once our buying/borrowing, is complete. Toko has come in as a replacement for Andrews role, but could he start ahead of Ince. If Clayton does come surely he would start ahead of JFC in midfield, Crofts, Stephens and Clayton looks like a good trio to choose from. We are reported to be looking for another wide player, we already have Buckley and Kaz so would the arrival of another affect Solly's place? Last season we relied on the youth to get us thru, if the new arrivals go the way it is being suggested, those same youngsters could find playing time hard to come by.[/p][/quote]Vegas the Argus reported about a week ago that the Albion are looking to use March more as an attacking central midfielder rather than as a winger. If that is the case then we only have two wide players Buckley and LuaLua both of whom as we all know only too well are injury prone. Because of WB's or KLL's injury record it would be prudent to have one more winger perhaps Lingard or someone with similar attributes who can also play more centrally if required. With regards to JFC he looks about the only existing CM who is comfortable playing on the left so he should get plenty of game time. Turning to Ince I anticipate that he will contest the Defensive Midfielder role with Togo. So all three of our young players should get opportunities this season. UTA.[/p][/quote]ok so if Clayton does arrive, who makes room for him if not JFC, especially when we add what the club stated re March? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

8:16pm Wed 30 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Hi Tug, Hi Dave.
If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?
I take your point Vegas and I was thinking that if Clayton did arrive, and of course it's only speculation, then we could be a bit top heavy with midfielders. However, it's a squad game and there's nothing like competition to keep players on their toes. Also, and only my view, I do think Clayton's a better player than we already have and I say that as a Crofts fan and with hope that JFC can up his game this season. Otherwise I would say any money would be better spent on areas of the team where we are a bit short.
I guess that I am just wondering where our three young players, JFC, Solly and Ince, will stand once our buying/borrowing, is complete.
Toko has come in as a replacement for Andrews role, but could he start ahead of Ince. If Clayton does come surely he would start ahead of JFC in midfield, Crofts, Stephens and Clayton looks like a good trio to choose from. We are reported to be looking for another wide player, we already have Buckley and Kaz so would the arrival of another affect Solly's place?

Last season we relied on the youth to get us thru, if the new arrivals go the way it is being suggested, those same youngsters could find playing time hard to come by.
Vegas the Argus reported about a week ago that the Albion are looking to use March more as an attacking central midfielder rather than as a winger. If that is the case then we only have two wide players Buckley and LuaLua both of whom as we all know only too well are injury prone. Because of WB's or KLL's injury record it would be prudent to have one more winger perhaps Lingard or someone with similar attributes who can also play more centrally if required.
With regards to JFC he looks about the only existing CM who is comfortable playing on the left so he should get plenty of game time.
Turning to Ince I anticipate that he will contest the Defensive Midfielder role with Togo.
So all three of our young players should get opportunities this season.
UTA.
ok so if Clayton does arrive, who makes room for him if not JFC, especially when we add what the club stated re March?
Exactly, Clayton is ideal, really good passing player who pops up in right place! Crofts Clayton Stephens would be ideal, Buckley and cms on the wings...
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hi Tug, Hi Dave. If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?[/p][/quote]I take your point Vegas and I was thinking that if Clayton did arrive, and of course it's only speculation, then we could be a bit top heavy with midfielders. However, it's a squad game and there's nothing like competition to keep players on their toes. Also, and only my view, I do think Clayton's a better player than we already have and I say that as a Crofts fan and with hope that JFC can up his game this season. Otherwise I would say any money would be better spent on areas of the team where we are a bit short.[/p][/quote]I guess that I am just wondering where our three young players, JFC, Solly and Ince, will stand once our buying/borrowing, is complete. Toko has come in as a replacement for Andrews role, but could he start ahead of Ince. If Clayton does come surely he would start ahead of JFC in midfield, Crofts, Stephens and Clayton looks like a good trio to choose from. We are reported to be looking for another wide player, we already have Buckley and Kaz so would the arrival of another affect Solly's place? Last season we relied on the youth to get us thru, if the new arrivals go the way it is being suggested, those same youngsters could find playing time hard to come by.[/p][/quote]Vegas the Argus reported about a week ago that the Albion are looking to use March more as an attacking central midfielder rather than as a winger. If that is the case then we only have two wide players Buckley and LuaLua both of whom as we all know only too well are injury prone. Because of WB's or KLL's injury record it would be prudent to have one more winger perhaps Lingard or someone with similar attributes who can also play more centrally if required. With regards to JFC he looks about the only existing CM who is comfortable playing on the left so he should get plenty of game time. Turning to Ince I anticipate that he will contest the Defensive Midfielder role with Togo. So all three of our young players should get opportunities this season. UTA.[/p][/quote]ok so if Clayton does arrive, who makes room for him if not JFC, especially when we add what the club stated re March?[/p][/quote]Exactly, Clayton is ideal, really good passing player who pops up in right place! Crofts Clayton Stephens would be ideal, Buckley and cms on the wings... mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

8:20pm Wed 30 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

I like your grouping of the three Mark, but is CMS best used out wide, would he not serve us better in front of the trio? Just a thought.
I like your grouping of the three Mark, but is CMS best used out wide, would he not serve us better in front of the trio? Just a thought. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

8:54pm Wed 30 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I like your grouping of the three Mark, but is CMS best used out wide, would he not serve us better in front of the trio? Just a thought.
Tricky Vegas .. I like 3 up front , but away need to be more solid .
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I like your grouping of the three Mark, but is CMS best used out wide, would he not serve us better in front of the trio? Just a thought.[/p][/quote]Tricky Vegas .. I like 3 up front , but away need to be more solid . mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

9:06pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

I don't think we'll be moving for Mason now we have COG tbh.
I don't think we'll be moving for Mason now we have COG tbh. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 5

10:41pm Wed 30 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I like your grouping of the three Mark, but is CMS best used out wide, would he not serve us better in front of the trio? Just a thought.
Tricky Vegas .. I like 3 up front , but away need to be more solid .
let's go for the goals, pile on the entertainment level and go, 4-3-3 at home, and 4-4-2 when away.

4-3-3 at home, and the match played at a higher tempo, 'should,' be a seat seller, but man we are going to need the right squad to carry it off.

4-4-2 away from home coupled with a higher tempo approach, somewhat risky, but if it works, the points tally from wins could out do what we might gain by squeezing out a bunch of draws with some defeats thrown in.

I would ask, and you may think this a daft question but, is it possible to play at a higher tempo and not have enough strike power on the park, doesn't a higher tempo match require us to have more of a threat in the final third, home or away.
The way we have played over the last couple of seasons, stroking the ball around, loads of passes taking us nowhere but hoping for a long range shot to hit the back of the net, or a set piece opportunity, with that game plan not having a large strike threat is not a problem, as the last two seasons have shown.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I like your grouping of the three Mark, but is CMS best used out wide, would he not serve us better in front of the trio? Just a thought.[/p][/quote]Tricky Vegas .. I like 3 up front , but away need to be more solid .[/p][/quote]let's go for the goals, pile on the entertainment level and go, 4-3-3 at home, and 4-4-2 when away. 4-3-3 at home, and the match played at a higher tempo, 'should,' be a seat seller, but man we are going to need the right squad to carry it off. 4-4-2 away from home coupled with a higher tempo approach, somewhat risky, but if it works, the points tally from wins could out do what we might gain by squeezing out a bunch of draws with some defeats thrown in. I would ask, and you may think this a daft question but, is it possible to play at a higher tempo and not have enough strike power on the park, doesn't a higher tempo match require us to have more of a threat in the final third, home or away. The way we have played over the last couple of seasons, stroking the ball around, loads of passes taking us nowhere but hoping for a long range shot to hit the back of the net, or a set piece opportunity, with that game plan not having a large strike threat is not a problem, as the last two seasons have shown. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

11:05pm Wed 30 Jul 14

AlfieT says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I like your grouping of the three Mark, but is CMS best used out wide, would he not serve us better in front of the trio? Just a thought.
Tricky Vegas .. I like 3 up front , but away need to be more solid .
let's go for the goals, pile on the entertainment level and go, 4-3-3 at home, and 4-4-2 when away.

4-3-3 at home, and the match played at a higher tempo, 'should,' be a seat seller, but man we are going to need the right squad to carry it off.

4-4-2 away from home coupled with a higher tempo approach, somewhat risky, but if it works, the points tally from wins could out do what we might gain by squeezing out a bunch of draws with some defeats thrown in.

I would ask, and you may think this a daft question but, is it possible to play at a higher tempo and not have enough strike power on the park, doesn't a higher tempo match require us to have more of a threat in the final third, home or away.
The way we have played over the last couple of seasons, stroking the ball around, loads of passes taking us nowhere but hoping for a long range shot to hit the back of the net, or a set piece opportunity, with that game plan not having a large strike threat is not a problem, as the last two seasons have shown.
Ever thought about starting a hot air ballooning business :-)
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I like your grouping of the three Mark, but is CMS best used out wide, would he not serve us better in front of the trio? Just a thought.[/p][/quote]Tricky Vegas .. I like 3 up front , but away need to be more solid .[/p][/quote]let's go for the goals, pile on the entertainment level and go, 4-3-3 at home, and 4-4-2 when away. 4-3-3 at home, and the match played at a higher tempo, 'should,' be a seat seller, but man we are going to need the right squad to carry it off. 4-4-2 away from home coupled with a higher tempo approach, somewhat risky, but if it works, the points tally from wins could out do what we might gain by squeezing out a bunch of draws with some defeats thrown in. I would ask, and you may think this a daft question but, is it possible to play at a higher tempo and not have enough strike power on the park, doesn't a higher tempo match require us to have more of a threat in the final third, home or away. The way we have played over the last couple of seasons, stroking the ball around, loads of passes taking us nowhere but hoping for a long range shot to hit the back of the net, or a set piece opportunity, with that game plan not having a large strike threat is not a problem, as the last two seasons have shown.[/p][/quote]Ever thought about starting a hot air ballooning business :-) AlfieT
  • Score: 1

11:34pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Baldseagull says...

Sammi will know Ngog from his last season at Lpool, so if we go for him I would hope it is because Sammi knows the guy will suit his plans.
Sammi will know Ngog from his last season at Lpool, so if we go for him I would hope it is because Sammi knows the guy will suit his plans. Baldseagull
  • Score: 3

11:43pm Wed 30 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

SMF20 wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Hi Tug, Hi Dave.
If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?
I take your point Vegas and I was thinking that if Clayton did arrive, and of course it's only speculation, then we could be a bit top heavy with midfielders. However, it's a squad game and there's nothing like competition to keep players on their toes. Also, and only my view, I do think Clayton's a better player than we already have and I say that as a Crofts fan and with hope that JFC can up his game this season. Otherwise I would say any money would be better spent on areas of the team where we are a bit short.
I guess that I am just wondering where our three young players, JFC, Solly and Ince, will stand once our buying/borrowing, is complete.
Toko has come in as a replacement for Andrews role, but could he start ahead of Ince. If Clayton does come surely he would start ahead of JFC in midfield, Crofts, Stephens and Clayton looks like a good trio to choose from. We are reported to be looking for another wide player, we already have Buckley and Kaz so would the arrival of another affect Solly's place?

Last season we relied on the youth to get us thru, if the new arrivals go the way it is being suggested, those same youngsters could find playing time hard to come by.
Vegas the Argus reported about a week ago that the Albion are looking to use March more as an attacking central midfielder rather than as a winger. If that is the case then we only have two wide players Buckley and LuaLua both of whom as we all know only too well are injury prone. Because of WB's or KLL's injury record it would be prudent to have one more winger perhaps Lingard or someone with similar attributes who can also play more centrally if required.
With regards to JFC he looks about the only existing CM who is comfortable playing on the left so he should get plenty of game time.
Turning to Ince I anticipate that he will contest the Defensive Midfielder role with Togo.
So all three of our young players should get opportunities this season.
UTA.
I don't think even Ince could compete for a position against a whole country my friend...
Whoops ! Sorry about the typo should have read Toko, thanks SMF20 for pointing it out so diplomatically.
In response to Vegas and MBTS 's comments I wonder if SH might consider a 4-4-2 formation with a midfield diamond if Clayton is signed.
If so the midfield could be Toko/Ince (DM), Crofts (RCM), JFC/Stephens (LCM) with Clayton at the point of the diamond with March as his deputy.
COG or whoever we sign as Ulloa's replacement and CMS/Buckley up front. This would provide SH with a number of different attacking options which he is on record as wanting and provide some depth making us less vulnerable to injuries and suspensions.
I await not only your comments SMF20 but also those of MBTS, Vegas and Captain Haddock who I believe was the first poster to hint that we were after Clayton - he referred to us being interested in a bearded Championship midfielder on Sunday on the Hyypia wants to plug holes thread.
Looking forward to tomorrow's friendly against Southampton and wondering what kind of reception Sammy Lee might get.
Onwards and Upwards.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hi Tug, Hi Dave. If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?[/p][/quote]I take your point Vegas and I was thinking that if Clayton did arrive, and of course it's only speculation, then we could be a bit top heavy with midfielders. However, it's a squad game and there's nothing like competition to keep players on their toes. Also, and only my view, I do think Clayton's a better player than we already have and I say that as a Crofts fan and with hope that JFC can up his game this season. Otherwise I would say any money would be better spent on areas of the team where we are a bit short.[/p][/quote]I guess that I am just wondering where our three young players, JFC, Solly and Ince, will stand once our buying/borrowing, is complete. Toko has come in as a replacement for Andrews role, but could he start ahead of Ince. If Clayton does come surely he would start ahead of JFC in midfield, Crofts, Stephens and Clayton looks like a good trio to choose from. We are reported to be looking for another wide player, we already have Buckley and Kaz so would the arrival of another affect Solly's place? Last season we relied on the youth to get us thru, if the new arrivals go the way it is being suggested, those same youngsters could find playing time hard to come by.[/p][/quote]Vegas the Argus reported about a week ago that the Albion are looking to use March more as an attacking central midfielder rather than as a winger. If that is the case then we only have two wide players Buckley and LuaLua both of whom as we all know only too well are injury prone. Because of WB's or KLL's injury record it would be prudent to have one more winger perhaps Lingard or someone with similar attributes who can also play more centrally if required. With regards to JFC he looks about the only existing CM who is comfortable playing on the left so he should get plenty of game time. Turning to Ince I anticipate that he will contest the Defensive Midfielder role with Togo. So all three of our young players should get opportunities this season. UTA.[/p][/quote]I don't think even Ince could compete for a position against a whole country my friend...[/p][/quote]Whoops ! Sorry about the typo should have read Toko, thanks SMF20 for pointing it out so diplomatically. In response to Vegas and MBTS 's comments I wonder if SH might consider a 4-4-2 formation with a midfield diamond if Clayton is signed. If so the midfield could be Toko/Ince (DM), Crofts (RCM), JFC/Stephens (LCM) with Clayton at the point of the diamond with March as his deputy. COG or whoever we sign as Ulloa's replacement and CMS/Buckley up front. This would provide SH with a number of different attacking options which he is on record as wanting and provide some depth making us less vulnerable to injuries and suspensions. I await not only your comments SMF20 but also those of MBTS, Vegas and Captain Haddock who I believe was the first poster to hint that we were after Clayton - he referred to us being interested in a bearded Championship midfielder on Sunday on the Hyypia wants to plug holes thread. Looking forward to tomorrow's friendly against Southampton and wondering what kind of reception Sammy Lee might get. Onwards and Upwards. ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

11:45pm Wed 30 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

AlfieT wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I like your grouping of the three Mark, but is CMS best used out wide, would he not serve us better in front of the trio? Just a thought.
Tricky Vegas .. I like 3 up front , but away need to be more solid .
let's go for the goals, pile on the entertainment level and go, 4-3-3 at home, and 4-4-2 when away.

4-3-3 at home, and the match played at a higher tempo, 'should,' be a seat seller, but man we are going to need the right squad to carry it off.

4-4-2 away from home coupled with a higher tempo approach, somewhat risky, but if it works, the points tally from wins could out do what we might gain by squeezing out a bunch of draws with some defeats thrown in.

I would ask, and you may think this a daft question but, is it possible to play at a higher tempo and not have enough strike power on the park, doesn't a higher tempo match require us to have more of a threat in the final third, home or away.
The way we have played over the last couple of seasons, stroking the ball around, loads of passes taking us nowhere but hoping for a long range shot to hit the back of the net, or a set piece opportunity, with that game plan not having a large strike threat is not a problem, as the last two seasons have shown.
Ever thought about starting a hot air ballooning business :-)
explain please
[quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I like your grouping of the three Mark, but is CMS best used out wide, would he not serve us better in front of the trio? Just a thought.[/p][/quote]Tricky Vegas .. I like 3 up front , but away need to be more solid .[/p][/quote]let's go for the goals, pile on the entertainment level and go, 4-3-3 at home, and 4-4-2 when away. 4-3-3 at home, and the match played at a higher tempo, 'should,' be a seat seller, but man we are going to need the right squad to carry it off. 4-4-2 away from home coupled with a higher tempo approach, somewhat risky, but if it works, the points tally from wins could out do what we might gain by squeezing out a bunch of draws with some defeats thrown in. I would ask, and you may think this a daft question but, is it possible to play at a higher tempo and not have enough strike power on the park, doesn't a higher tempo match require us to have more of a threat in the final third, home or away. The way we have played over the last couple of seasons, stroking the ball around, loads of passes taking us nowhere but hoping for a long range shot to hit the back of the net, or a set piece opportunity, with that game plan not having a large strike threat is not a problem, as the last two seasons have shown.[/p][/quote]Ever thought about starting a hot air ballooning business :-)[/p][/quote]explain please VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

12:08am Thu 31 Jul 14

SMF20 says...

ballantrrae wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Hi Tug, Hi Dave.
If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?
I take your point Vegas and I was thinking that if Clayton did arrive, and of course it's only speculation, then we could be a bit top heavy with midfielders. However, it's a squad game and there's nothing like competition to keep players on their toes. Also, and only my view, I do think Clayton's a better player than we already have and I say that as a Crofts fan and with hope that JFC can up his game this season. Otherwise I would say any money would be better spent on areas of the team where we are a bit short.
I guess that I am just wondering where our three young players, JFC, Solly and Ince, will stand once our buying/borrowing, is complete.
Toko has come in as a replacement for Andrews role, but could he start ahead of Ince. If Clayton does come surely he would start ahead of JFC in midfield, Crofts, Stephens and Clayton looks like a good trio to choose from. We are reported to be looking for another wide player, we already have Buckley and Kaz so would the arrival of another affect Solly's place?

Last season we relied on the youth to get us thru, if the new arrivals go the way it is being suggested, those same youngsters could find playing time hard to come by.
Vegas the Argus reported about a week ago that the Albion are looking to use March more as an attacking central midfielder rather than as a winger. If that is the case then we only have two wide players Buckley and LuaLua both of whom as we all know only too well are injury prone. Because of WB's or KLL's injury record it would be prudent to have one more winger perhaps Lingard or someone with similar attributes who can also play more centrally if required.
With regards to JFC he looks about the only existing CM who is comfortable playing on the left so he should get plenty of game time.
Turning to Ince I anticipate that he will contest the Defensive Midfielder role with Togo.
So all three of our young players should get opportunities this season.
UTA.
I don't think even Ince could compete for a position against a whole country my friend...
Whoops ! Sorry about the typo should have read Toko, thanks SMF20 for pointing it out so diplomatically.
In response to Vegas and MBTS 's comments I wonder if SH might consider a 4-4-2 formation with a midfield diamond if Clayton is signed.
If so the midfield could be Toko/Ince (DM), Crofts (RCM), JFC/Stephens (LCM) with Clayton at the point of the diamond with March as his deputy.
COG or whoever we sign as Ulloa's replacement and CMS/Buckley up front. This would provide SH with a number of different attacking options which he is on record as wanting and provide some depth making us less vulnerable to injuries and suspensions.
I await not only your comments SMF20 but also those of MBTS, Vegas and Captain Haddock who I believe was the first poster to hint that we were after Clayton - he referred to us being interested in a bearded Championship midfielder on Sunday on the Hyypia wants to plug holes thread.
Looking forward to tomorrow's friendly against Southampton and wondering what kind of reception Sammy Lee might get.
Onwards and Upwards.
I have mixed thoughts on the diamond Ballantrrae.

What you suggest as a possible line up looks incredibly solid and would no doubt give us energy and make us hard to beat.
I've always liked watching a team with width though. Is there anything more exciting on match day than seeing a winger with pace and skill flying down the flanks, beating their man and whipping the ball in to the box for a forward to bury?
I remember seeing this happen at the Withdean a few years back. Kaz came on as a sub whilst on loan. With his first touch he roasted the right back before whipping in a cross for Barnes to score with a ding header. Brilliant goal.

Back on track. I don't know how Sami will set things up but I'm pretty happy that he is the boss and will be making the decision.
My 1 hope is that we play to our strengths and use our most devastating players to maximum effect.

Uta
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hi Tug, Hi Dave. If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?[/p][/quote]I take your point Vegas and I was thinking that if Clayton did arrive, and of course it's only speculation, then we could be a bit top heavy with midfielders. However, it's a squad game and there's nothing like competition to keep players on their toes. Also, and only my view, I do think Clayton's a better player than we already have and I say that as a Crofts fan and with hope that JFC can up his game this season. Otherwise I would say any money would be better spent on areas of the team where we are a bit short.[/p][/quote]I guess that I am just wondering where our three young players, JFC, Solly and Ince, will stand once our buying/borrowing, is complete. Toko has come in as a replacement for Andrews role, but could he start ahead of Ince. If Clayton does come surely he would start ahead of JFC in midfield, Crofts, Stephens and Clayton looks like a good trio to choose from. We are reported to be looking for another wide player, we already have Buckley and Kaz so would the arrival of another affect Solly's place? Last season we relied on the youth to get us thru, if the new arrivals go the way it is being suggested, those same youngsters could find playing time hard to come by.[/p][/quote]Vegas the Argus reported about a week ago that the Albion are looking to use March more as an attacking central midfielder rather than as a winger. If that is the case then we only have two wide players Buckley and LuaLua both of whom as we all know only too well are injury prone. Because of WB's or KLL's injury record it would be prudent to have one more winger perhaps Lingard or someone with similar attributes who can also play more centrally if required. With regards to JFC he looks about the only existing CM who is comfortable playing on the left so he should get plenty of game time. Turning to Ince I anticipate that he will contest the Defensive Midfielder role with Togo. So all three of our young players should get opportunities this season. UTA.[/p][/quote]I don't think even Ince could compete for a position against a whole country my friend...[/p][/quote]Whoops ! Sorry about the typo should have read Toko, thanks SMF20 for pointing it out so diplomatically. In response to Vegas and MBTS 's comments I wonder if SH might consider a 4-4-2 formation with a midfield diamond if Clayton is signed. If so the midfield could be Toko/Ince (DM), Crofts (RCM), JFC/Stephens (LCM) with Clayton at the point of the diamond with March as his deputy. COG or whoever we sign as Ulloa's replacement and CMS/Buckley up front. This would provide SH with a number of different attacking options which he is on record as wanting and provide some depth making us less vulnerable to injuries and suspensions. I await not only your comments SMF20 but also those of MBTS, Vegas and Captain Haddock who I believe was the first poster to hint that we were after Clayton - he referred to us being interested in a bearded Championship midfielder on Sunday on the Hyypia wants to plug holes thread. Looking forward to tomorrow's friendly against Southampton and wondering what kind of reception Sammy Lee might get. Onwards and Upwards.[/p][/quote]I have mixed thoughts on the diamond Ballantrrae. What you suggest as a possible line up looks incredibly solid and would no doubt give us energy and make us hard to beat. I've always liked watching a team with width though. Is there anything more exciting on match day than seeing a winger with pace and skill flying down the flanks, beating their man and whipping the ball in to the box for a forward to bury? I remember seeing this happen at the Withdean a few years back. Kaz came on as a sub whilst on loan. With his first touch he roasted the right back before whipping in a cross for Barnes to score with a ding header. Brilliant goal. Back on track. I don't know how Sami will set things up but I'm pretty happy that he is the boss and will be making the decision. My 1 hope is that we play to our strengths and use our most devastating players to maximum effect. Uta SMF20
  • Score: 4

1:41am Thu 31 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
AlfieT wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I like your grouping of the three Mark, but is CMS best used out wide, would he not serve us better in front of the trio? Just a thought.
Tricky Vegas .. I like 3 up front , but away need to be more solid .
let's go for the goals, pile on the entertainment level and go, 4-3-3 at home, and 4-4-2 when away.

4-3-3 at home, and the match played at a higher tempo, 'should,' be a seat seller, but man we are going to need the right squad to carry it off.

4-4-2 away from home coupled with a higher tempo approach, somewhat risky, but if it works, the points tally from wins could out do what we might gain by squeezing out a bunch of draws with some defeats thrown in.

I would ask, and you may think this a daft question but, is it possible to play at a higher tempo and not have enough strike power on the park, doesn't a higher tempo match require us to have more of a threat in the final third, home or away.
The way we have played over the last couple of seasons, stroking the ball around, loads of passes taking us nowhere but hoping for a long range shot to hit the back of the net, or a set piece opportunity, with that game plan not having a large strike threat is not a problem, as the last two seasons have shown.
Ever thought about starting a hot air ballooning business :-)
explain please
I believe he is suggesting you are "all hot air", Vegas! Pay no attention ;0)
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I like your grouping of the three Mark, but is CMS best used out wide, would he not serve us better in front of the trio? Just a thought.[/p][/quote]Tricky Vegas .. I like 3 up front , but away need to be more solid .[/p][/quote]let's go for the goals, pile on the entertainment level and go, 4-3-3 at home, and 4-4-2 when away. 4-3-3 at home, and the match played at a higher tempo, 'should,' be a seat seller, but man we are going to need the right squad to carry it off. 4-4-2 away from home coupled with a higher tempo approach, somewhat risky, but if it works, the points tally from wins could out do what we might gain by squeezing out a bunch of draws with some defeats thrown in. I would ask, and you may think this a daft question but, is it possible to play at a higher tempo and not have enough strike power on the park, doesn't a higher tempo match require us to have more of a threat in the final third, home or away. The way we have played over the last couple of seasons, stroking the ball around, loads of passes taking us nowhere but hoping for a long range shot to hit the back of the net, or a set piece opportunity, with that game plan not having a large strike threat is not a problem, as the last two seasons have shown.[/p][/quote]Ever thought about starting a hot air ballooning business :-)[/p][/quote]explain please[/p][/quote]I believe he is suggesting you are "all hot air", Vegas! Pay no attention ;0) Captain Haddock
  • Score: 4

1:50am Thu 31 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

ballantrrae wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Hi Tug, Hi Dave.
If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?
I take your point Vegas and I was thinking that if Clayton did arrive, and of course it's only speculation, then we could be a bit top heavy with midfielders. However, it's a squad game and there's nothing like competition to keep players on their toes. Also, and only my view, I do think Clayton's a better player than we already have and I say that as a Crofts fan and with hope that JFC can up his game this season. Otherwise I would say any money would be better spent on areas of the team where we are a bit short.
I guess that I am just wondering where our three young players, JFC, Solly and Ince, will stand once our buying/borrowing, is complete.
Toko has come in as a replacement for Andrews role, but could he start ahead of Ince. If Clayton does come surely he would start ahead of JFC in midfield, Crofts, Stephens and Clayton looks like a good trio to choose from. We are reported to be looking for another wide player, we already have Buckley and Kaz so would the arrival of another affect Solly's place?

Last season we relied on the youth to get us thru, if the new arrivals go the way it is being suggested, those same youngsters could find playing time hard to come by.
Vegas the Argus reported about a week ago that the Albion are looking to use March more as an attacking central midfielder rather than as a winger. If that is the case then we only have two wide players Buckley and LuaLua both of whom as we all know only too well are injury prone. Because of WB's or KLL's injury record it would be prudent to have one more winger perhaps Lingard or someone with similar attributes who can also play more centrally if required.
With regards to JFC he looks about the only existing CM who is comfortable playing on the left so he should get plenty of game time.
Turning to Ince I anticipate that he will contest the Defensive Midfielder role with Togo.
So all three of our young players should get opportunities this season.
UTA.
I don't think even Ince could compete for a position against a whole country my friend...
Whoops ! Sorry about the typo should have read Toko, thanks SMF20 for pointing it out so diplomatically.
In response to Vegas and MBTS 's comments I wonder if SH might consider a 4-4-2 formation with a midfield diamond if Clayton is signed.
If so the midfield could be Toko/Ince (DM), Crofts (RCM), JFC/Stephens (LCM) with Clayton at the point of the diamond with March as his deputy.
COG or whoever we sign as Ulloa's replacement and CMS/Buckley up front. This would provide SH with a number of different attacking options which he is on record as wanting and provide some depth making us less vulnerable to injuries and suspensions.
I await not only your comments SMF20 but also those of MBTS, Vegas and Captain Haddock who I believe was the first poster to hint that we were after Clayton - he referred to us being interested in a bearded Championship midfielder on Sunday on the Hyypia wants to plug holes thread.
Looking forward to tomorrow's friendly against Southampton and wondering what kind of reception Sammy Lee might get.
Onwards and Upwards.
Thanks very much for the acknowledgement re: Clayton, Ballantrrae.

On your question of the diamond, I like the system if employed correctly with entirely suitable personnel but, while Clayton at the point would be very good (if he signs!), I'm not convinced either JFC nor Dale would be fully effective on the left side. So many potential options and scenarios. Hopefully we'll have even more options to debate by this weekend.

In addition to the earlier whispers I'd heard re: two. Championship signings this week (Stockdale and ...Clayton?) I'm now also hearing Ward is in serious talks. Let's hope we can tie him up on our terms!
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hi Tug, Hi Dave. If Clayton were to sign for us, and considering that Crofts is getting back to full fitness and hopefuly Stephens will soon do the same, do you think that JFC might miss out?[/p][/quote]I take your point Vegas and I was thinking that if Clayton did arrive, and of course it's only speculation, then we could be a bit top heavy with midfielders. However, it's a squad game and there's nothing like competition to keep players on their toes. Also, and only my view, I do think Clayton's a better player than we already have and I say that as a Crofts fan and with hope that JFC can up his game this season. Otherwise I would say any money would be better spent on areas of the team where we are a bit short.[/p][/quote]I guess that I am just wondering where our three young players, JFC, Solly and Ince, will stand once our buying/borrowing, is complete. Toko has come in as a replacement for Andrews role, but could he start ahead of Ince. If Clayton does come surely he would start ahead of JFC in midfield, Crofts, Stephens and Clayton looks like a good trio to choose from. We are reported to be looking for another wide player, we already have Buckley and Kaz so would the arrival of another affect Solly's place? Last season we relied on the youth to get us thru, if the new arrivals go the way it is being suggested, those same youngsters could find playing time hard to come by.[/p][/quote]Vegas the Argus reported about a week ago that the Albion are looking to use March more as an attacking central midfielder rather than as a winger. If that is the case then we only have two wide players Buckley and LuaLua both of whom as we all know only too well are injury prone. Because of WB's or KLL's injury record it would be prudent to have one more winger perhaps Lingard or someone with similar attributes who can also play more centrally if required. With regards to JFC he looks about the only existing CM who is comfortable playing on the left so he should get plenty of game time. Turning to Ince I anticipate that he will contest the Defensive Midfielder role with Togo. So all three of our young players should get opportunities this season. UTA.[/p][/quote]I don't think even Ince could compete for a position against a whole country my friend...[/p][/quote]Whoops ! Sorry about the typo should have read Toko, thanks SMF20 for pointing it out so diplomatically. In response to Vegas and MBTS 's comments I wonder if SH might consider a 4-4-2 formation with a midfield diamond if Clayton is signed. If so the midfield could be Toko/Ince (DM), Crofts (RCM), JFC/Stephens (LCM) with Clayton at the point of the diamond with March as his deputy. COG or whoever we sign as Ulloa's replacement and CMS/Buckley up front. This would provide SH with a number of different attacking options which he is on record as wanting and provide some depth making us less vulnerable to injuries and suspensions. I await not only your comments SMF20 but also those of MBTS, Vegas and Captain Haddock who I believe was the first poster to hint that we were after Clayton - he referred to us being interested in a bearded Championship midfielder on Sunday on the Hyypia wants to plug holes thread. Looking forward to tomorrow's friendly against Southampton and wondering what kind of reception Sammy Lee might get. Onwards and Upwards.[/p][/quote]Thanks very much for the acknowledgement re: Clayton, Ballantrrae. On your question of the diamond, I like the system if employed correctly with entirely suitable personnel but, while Clayton at the point would be very good (if he signs!), I'm not convinced either JFC nor Dale would be fully effective on the left side. So many potential options and scenarios. Hopefully we'll have even more options to debate by this weekend. In addition to the earlier whispers I'd heard re: two. Championship signings this week (Stockdale and ...Clayton?) I'm now also hearing Ward is in serious talks. Let's hope we can tie him up on our terms! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

1:51am Thu 31 Jul 14

daughter-of-manag says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
The problem is players and managers come here, say it looks all good and then discover the club has no ambition and leave. We're getting an unwanted reputation as a club that won't deliver mainly due to the suits insistence on putting FFP as a priority over absolutely everything else. This means we have to fight twice as hard to sign players of even fairly average ability like Clayton for example. He did ok but nothing spectacular and Huddersfield hardly set the world alight last season. The fact that only Middlesbrough and us are serious about signing him tells you all you need to know, a mid table player of interest to mid table clubs. Your Fulhams your Norwich ' s, Forests', Bournemouths etc won't give him a second glance.
Much like your opinions with regards to all-things BHA ... your apostrophes are somewhat wayward in nature.
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: The problem is players and managers come here, say it looks all good and then discover the club has no ambition and leave. We're getting an unwanted reputation as a club that won't deliver mainly due to the suits insistence on putting FFP as a priority over absolutely everything else. This means we have to fight twice as hard to sign players of even fairly average ability like Clayton for example. He did ok but nothing spectacular and Huddersfield hardly set the world alight last season. The fact that only Middlesbrough and us are serious about signing him tells you all you need to know, a mid table player of interest to mid table clubs. Your Fulhams your Norwich ' s, Forests', Bournemouths etc won't give him a second glance.[/p][/quote]Much like your opinions with regards to all-things BHA ... your apostrophes are somewhat wayward in nature. daughter-of-manag
  • Score: -1

2:55pm Thu 31 Jul 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

Cannot remember SH being here in january,so who's target is he ?.
Cannot remember SH being here in january,so who's target is he ?. don't wanna do it like that
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