LuaLua prepares for a week of hard work as the big kick-off looms

Kazenga LuaLua

Kazenga LuaLua

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Kazenga LuaLua is ready for a week of hard work in the run-up to the new season.

The goalscoring winger admits Albion must improve after a friendly defeat to a Southampton side he regarded as “different class.”

Albion could have new faces on board by the time the Sheffield Wednesday visit the Amex for the Championship opener.

But, whether or not that happens, LuaLua believes the Seagulls will be better than they were in losing 3-1 to the slick Saints last Thursday.

He said: “We were playing against a Premier League team.

“It’s different. They are in the Premier League because they are a different class.

“You saw they were much, much better than us.

“That is where we want to be. We want to be like them but it takes time.

“We need to learn from them.

“All the boys are ready for this season now and we can’t wait for the weekend.

“But obviously we need to do better than we did (on Thursday).

“I’m sure during the week we will work on many things and we’ll be better.”

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11:38am Sun 3 Aug 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

I do hope the players didn't go into the Saints game thinking they're a PL team and much better than us.
That's a recipe for defeat if ever I saw one.
Let's hope Sami can get some new recruits in smartish because I feel a good start will be vital this season. UTA
I do hope the players didn't go into the Saints game thinking they're a PL team and much better than us. That's a recipe for defeat if ever I saw one. Let's hope Sami can get some new recruits in smartish because I feel a good start will be vital this season. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 20

12:36pm Sun 3 Aug 14

leonrobichaud says...

I just want some honest, where are the club aiming to finish this year? Surely someone can tell us. All too quiet, did anyone else notice that we didn't get an email from Mr Bloom when we sold Ulloa like has happened in the past when he has made major moves?
I just want some honest, where are the club aiming to finish this year? Surely someone can tell us. All too quiet, did anyone else notice that we didn't get an email from Mr Bloom when we sold Ulloa like has happened in the past when he has made major moves? leonrobichaud
  • Score: -20

1:03pm Sun 3 Aug 14

sussexram40 says...

leonrobichaud wrote:
I just want some honest, where are the club aiming to finish this year? Surely someone can tell us. All too quiet, did anyone else notice that we didn't get an email from Mr Bloom when we sold Ulloa like has happened in the past when he has made major moves?
16th or 17th. Above the drop zone is the aim I would guess. So TB has a Championship club to sell next year.
As regards LuaLua, unfortunately I still expect him to blow hot and cold this year - and also suffer more injury problems. I still see LuaLua as an impact sub rather than a consistent first 11 performer.
[quote][p][bold]leonrobichaud[/bold] wrote: I just want some honest, where are the club aiming to finish this year? Surely someone can tell us. All too quiet, did anyone else notice that we didn't get an email from Mr Bloom when we sold Ulloa like has happened in the past when he has made major moves?[/p][/quote]16th or 17th. Above the drop zone is the aim I would guess. So TB has a Championship club to sell next year. As regards LuaLua, unfortunately I still expect him to blow hot and cold this year - and also suffer more injury problems. I still see LuaLua as an impact sub rather than a consistent first 11 performer. sussexram40
  • Score: -33

1:06pm Sun 3 Aug 14

JoeBlow says...

leonrobichaud wrote:
I just want some honest, where are the club aiming to finish this year? Surely someone can tell us. All too quiet, did anyone else notice that we didn't get an email from Mr Bloom when we sold Ulloa like has happened in the past when he has made major moves?
Obviously they are aiming for top spot. They are, however, doing everything sensibly, ensuring they don't risk the future of the club on the gamble of promotion. I, for one, am very proud of the way this club is run. It's just some of the fans who disappoint me, expecting to be kept informed of the progress of negotiations for new players - that's not how things happen in Championship football.
[quote][p][bold]leonrobichaud[/bold] wrote: I just want some honest, where are the club aiming to finish this year? Surely someone can tell us. All too quiet, did anyone else notice that we didn't get an email from Mr Bloom when we sold Ulloa like has happened in the past when he has made major moves?[/p][/quote]Obviously they are aiming for top spot. They are, however, doing everything sensibly, ensuring they don't risk the future of the club on the gamble of promotion. I, for one, am very proud of the way this club is run. It's just some of the fans who disappoint me, expecting to be kept informed of the progress of negotiations for new players - that's not how things happen in Championship football. JoeBlow
  • Score: 31

1:06pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed. Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: -3

1:09pm Sun 3 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

I thought lua luau let it out the bag really, we were awful, and playing basically saints reserves and youth side.
He hopes to work on a few things this week! WTF ! I don't think passing the ball forwards is on jones coaching manual .. Sorry but unless we have 3-4 quality players in we will struggle for anything above mid table .
On the positive we have 12 million from sales of players, reduced wage bill by massive amounts and have 20000 season tickets sold!
So no excuses ...
I thought lua luau let it out the bag really, we were awful, and playing basically saints reserves and youth side. He hopes to work on a few things this week! WTF ! I don't think passing the ball forwards is on jones coaching manual .. Sorry but unless we have 3-4 quality players in we will struggle for anything above mid table . On the positive we have 12 million from sales of players, reduced wage bill by massive amounts and have 20000 season tickets sold! So no excuses ... mark by the sea
  • Score: 14

1:14pm Sun 3 Aug 14

pannell1 says...

Brighton are stepping up interest of 2.5 million groningens filip kostic he was left out of the dutch clubs friendly against aston villa
Brighton are stepping up interest of 2.5 million groningens filip kostic he was left out of the dutch clubs friendly against aston villa pannell1
  • Score: 7

1:18pm Sun 3 Aug 14

championshipgull says...

Been looking at some of Kaz’s pictures on his twitter account. He as definitely been spent some hours in the gym he looks like he is made of muscle.
Looking forward to some more of those back flip goal celebrations this season.
Been looking at some of Kaz’s pictures on his twitter account. He as definitely been spent some hours in the gym he looks like he is made of muscle. Looking forward to some more of those back flip goal celebrations this season. championshipgull
  • Score: 16

1:20pm Sun 3 Aug 14

AlanDuffy says...

There were a lot of posts on a previous thread about TB waiting until the last minute to sign players, thus saving on wages. Personally I don't see it. We may save a tidy sum on wages, but we also go into the new season with a fragmented squad, unfamiliar with each other and the system the manager wants to play. As a result, there's a very good chance we're going to start slowly and if we were to miss out on the play-offs by a small margin, that could prove more costly than a few weeks wages. No, I think the deals couldn't be done immediately, but we will see some action this week.
There were a lot of posts on a previous thread about TB waiting until the last minute to sign players, thus saving on wages. Personally I don't see it. We may save a tidy sum on wages, but we also go into the new season with a fragmented squad, unfamiliar with each other and the system the manager wants to play. As a result, there's a very good chance we're going to start slowly and if we were to miss out on the play-offs by a small margin, that could prove more costly than a few weeks wages. No, I think the deals couldn't be done immediately, but we will see some action this week. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 6

1:22pm Sun 3 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
[quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

1:28pm Sun 3 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players . mark by the sea
  • Score: -3

1:36pm Sun 3 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
Mark you really should read comments twice before replying. If you check, you will see that I suggested that Bloom would make the decision to sell, not Barber. I also said that Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club, recruitment and new contracts are their areas. Sometimes Mark, you pull the trigger before you identify the target.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]Mark you really should read comments twice before replying. If you check, you will see that I suggested that Bloom would make the decision to sell, not Barber. I also said that Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club, recruitment and new contracts are their areas. Sometimes Mark, you pull the trigger before you identify the target. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

1:49pm Sun 3 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

pannell1 wrote:
Brighton are stepping up interest of 2.5 million groningens filip kostic he was left out of the dutch clubs friendly against aston villa
do you hve a link to this report, or can you at least tell us where you found it?
[quote][p][bold]pannell1[/bold] wrote: Brighton are stepping up interest of 2.5 million groningens filip kostic he was left out of the dutch clubs friendly against aston villa[/p][/quote]do you hve a link to this report, or can you at least tell us where you found it? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

2:02pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
But unless you know how much Murray and O'Grady were wanting (and you don't) then comparisons cannot be made. It is all about value for the money spent, nothing else. If they can get a player twice as good for a couple of % more they will. Conversely, if they can get a player a few % less gifted for half the price then they should consider it.

Also, I'm not sure also what this thing about the number of O'Grady's previous clubs is all about. Peter Crouch has been at 12 clubs already, does that mean anything? No.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]But unless you know how much Murray and O'Grady were wanting (and you don't) then comparisons cannot be made. It is all about value for the money spent, nothing else. If they can get a player twice as good for a couple of % more they will. Conversely, if they can get a player a few % less gifted for half the price then they should consider it. Also, I'm not sure also what this thing about the number of O'Grady's previous clubs is all about. Peter Crouch has been at 12 clubs already, does that mean anything? No. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 10

2:14pm Sun 3 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
But unless you know how much Murray and O'Grady were wanting (and you don't) then comparisons cannot be made. It is all about value for the money spent, nothing else. If they can get a player twice as good for a couple of % more they will. Conversely, if they can get a player a few % less gifted for half the price then they should consider it.

Also, I'm not sure also what this thing about the number of O'Grady's previous clubs is all about. Peter Crouch has been at 12 clubs already, does that mean anything? No.
Arnie, it's the same ol same ol, some are never happy unless they can find something to moan about. The digs are always the same, too old or too young, too cheap or we paid too much for a perceived, 'has been.' Played for too many clubs or, no other club wanted him.

Some people just can't help it, it's the way their DNA is put together.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]But unless you know how much Murray and O'Grady were wanting (and you don't) then comparisons cannot be made. It is all about value for the money spent, nothing else. If they can get a player twice as good for a couple of % more they will. Conversely, if they can get a player a few % less gifted for half the price then they should consider it. Also, I'm not sure also what this thing about the number of O'Grady's previous clubs is all about. Peter Crouch has been at 12 clubs already, does that mean anything? No.[/p][/quote]Arnie, it's the same ol same ol, some are never happy unless they can find something to moan about. The digs are always the same, too old or too young, too cheap or we paid too much for a perceived, 'has been.' Played for too many clubs or, no other club wanted him. Some people just can't help it, it's the way their DNA is put together. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 8

2:17pm Sun 3 Aug 14

championshipgull says...

Great article on The Independent site today . Long article but here’s a small bit. ”Tony Bloom, sold Hyppia on the club’s ambition, which is to reach the Premier League whatever the financial restrictions, an aim underpinned by the impressive new infrastructure he has bankrolled.”

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/sport/footb
all/football-league/
sami-hyypia-brings-t
ouch-of-roy-to-brigh
ton-9644482.html
Great article on The Independent site today . Long article but here’s a small bit. ”Tony Bloom, sold Hyppia on the club’s ambition, which is to reach the Premier League whatever the financial restrictions, an aim underpinned by the impressive new infrastructure he has bankrolled.” http://www.independe nt.co.uk/sport/footb all/football-league/ sami-hyypia-brings-t ouch-of-roy-to-brigh ton-9644482.html championshipgull
  • Score: 11

2:19pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

It's not that Southampton were 'different class' just that we were rubbish. If at least 7 million of the Ulloa money isn't spent by Friday then the supporters will turn on the suits.
It's not that Southampton were 'different class' just that we were rubbish. If at least 7 million of the Ulloa money isn't spent by Friday then the supporters will turn on the suits. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: 0

2:34pm Sun 3 Aug 14

ringtone says...

championshipgull wrote:
Great article on The Independent site today . Long article but here’s a small bit. ”Tony Bloom, sold Hyppia on the club’s ambition, which is to reach the Premier League whatever the financial restrictions, an aim underpinned by the impressive new infrastructure he has bankrolled.”

http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/sport/footb

all/football-league/

sami-hyypia-brings-t

ouch-of-roy-to-brigh

ton-9644482.html
Not great, says Leverkusen won the Bundesliga last season.

Why did they sack sami then?
[quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: Great article on The Independent site today . Long article but here’s a small bit. ”Tony Bloom, sold Hyppia on the club’s ambition, which is to reach the Premier League whatever the financial restrictions, an aim underpinned by the impressive new infrastructure he has bankrolled.” http://www.independe nt.co.uk/sport/footb all/football-league/ sami-hyypia-brings-t ouch-of-roy-to-brigh ton-9644482.html[/p][/quote]Not great, says Leverkusen won the Bundesliga last season. Why did they sack sami then? ringtone
  • Score: -5

2:40pm Sun 3 Aug 14

ringtone says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
But unless you know how much Murray and O'Grady were wanting (and you don't) then comparisons cannot be made. It is all about value for the money spent, nothing else. If they can get a player twice as good for a couple of % more they will. Conversely, if they can get a player a few % less gifted for half the price then they should consider it.

Also, I'm not sure also what this thing about the number of O'Grady's previous clubs is all about. Peter Crouch has been at 12 clubs already, does that mean anything? No.
Arnie, it's the same ol same ol, some are never happy unless they can find something to moan about. The digs are always the same, too old or too young, too cheap or we paid too much for a perceived, 'has been.' Played for too many clubs or, no other club wanted him.

Some people just can't help it, it's the way their DNA is put together.
Thats why we are the Albion.

We dont take any BS

You would have swallowed all the Archer and Bellotti lies, Mug.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]But unless you know how much Murray and O'Grady were wanting (and you don't) then comparisons cannot be made. It is all about value for the money spent, nothing else. If they can get a player twice as good for a couple of % more they will. Conversely, if they can get a player a few % less gifted for half the price then they should consider it. Also, I'm not sure also what this thing about the number of O'Grady's previous clubs is all about. Peter Crouch has been at 12 clubs already, does that mean anything? No.[/p][/quote]Arnie, it's the same ol same ol, some are never happy unless they can find something to moan about. The digs are always the same, too old or too young, too cheap or we paid too much for a perceived, 'has been.' Played for too many clubs or, no other club wanted him. Some people just can't help it, it's the way their DNA is put together.[/p][/quote]Thats why we are the Albion. We dont take any BS You would have swallowed all the Archer and Bellotti lies, Mug. ringtone
  • Score: -10

3:07pm Sun 3 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Hey Arnie, and anyone else for that matter, if you get a minute take a look at LA Galaxy player, Gyasi Zardes, he is a young striker (22) that is still a tad raw, but he knows how to score, and he is a well built strong lad. I think he has popped in 5 in the last 5 matches. He put away a really good header yesterday.
Hey Arnie, and anyone else for that matter, if you get a minute take a look at LA Galaxy player, Gyasi Zardes, he is a young striker (22) that is still a tad raw, but he knows how to score, and he is a well built strong lad. I think he has popped in 5 in the last 5 matches. He put away a really good header yesterday. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

3:47pm Sun 3 Aug 14

pannell1 says...

pannell1 wrote:
Brighton are stepping up interest of 2.5 million groningens filip kostic he was left out of the dutch clubs friendly against aston villa
Sorry reported in the sunday sun hope that helps
[quote][p][bold]pannell1[/bold] wrote: Brighton are stepping up interest of 2.5 million groningens filip kostic he was left out of the dutch clubs friendly against aston villa[/p][/quote]Sorry reported in the sunday sun hope that helps pannell1
  • Score: 5

3:59pm Sun 3 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
But unless you know how much Murray and O'Grady were wanting (and you don't) then comparisons cannot be made. It is all about value for the money spent, nothing else. If they can get a player twice as good for a couple of % more they will. Conversely, if they can get a player a few % less gifted for half the price then they should consider it.

Also, I'm not sure also what this thing about the number of O'Grady's previous clubs is all about. Peter Crouch has been at 12 clubs already, does that mean anything? No.
Arnie, it's the same ol same ol, some are never happy unless they can find something to moan about. The digs are always the same, too old or too young, too cheap or we paid too much for a perceived, 'has been.' Played for too many clubs or, no other club wanted him.

Some people just can't help it, it's the way their DNA is put together.
Murray would have signed for just over half cms is on right now!
I was referring to Barnes who we could not offer a three year deal too.
Remind me Arnie of your DNA ,
I think you said I was wrong about season ticket sales would drop!
I said in January Leo was being chased bt Leicester ..
You keep saying players want happiness more than money, but I can't think of a player who has actually stayed here ...
As for Vegas asking you or check a USA player out? Perhaps he needs to remember visa controls on non international players... Rather than you getting your lap top out!
Can I ask you and Vegas a question ?.....?....?
Do you have Albion lap top covers?
Vegas you remember you wrote to barber about increasing income ?
Why don't you suggest tissue paper box covers to match your laptop covers ?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]But unless you know how much Murray and O'Grady were wanting (and you don't) then comparisons cannot be made. It is all about value for the money spent, nothing else. If they can get a player twice as good for a couple of % more they will. Conversely, if they can get a player a few % less gifted for half the price then they should consider it. Also, I'm not sure also what this thing about the number of O'Grady's previous clubs is all about. Peter Crouch has been at 12 clubs already, does that mean anything? No.[/p][/quote]Arnie, it's the same ol same ol, some are never happy unless they can find something to moan about. The digs are always the same, too old or too young, too cheap or we paid too much for a perceived, 'has been.' Played for too many clubs or, no other club wanted him. Some people just can't help it, it's the way their DNA is put together.[/p][/quote]Murray would have signed for just over half cms is on right now! I was referring to Barnes who we could not offer a three year deal too. Remind me Arnie of your DNA , I think you said I was wrong about season ticket sales would drop! I said in January Leo was being chased bt Leicester .. You keep saying players want happiness more than money, but I can't think of a player who has actually stayed here ... As for Vegas asking you or check a USA player out? Perhaps he needs to remember visa controls on non international players... Rather than you getting your lap top out! Can I ask you and Vegas a question ?.....?....? Do you have Albion lap top covers? Vegas you remember you wrote to barber about increasing income ? Why don't you suggest tissue paper box covers to match your laptop covers ? mark by the sea
  • Score: -2

4:07pm Sun 3 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

championshipgull wrote:
Great article on The Independent site today . Long article but here’s a small bit. ”Tony Bloom, sold Hyppia on the club’s ambition, which is to reach the Premier League whatever the financial restrictions, an aim underpinned by the impressive new infrastructure he has bankrolled.”

http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/sport/footb

all/football-league/

sami-hyypia-brings-t

ouch-of-roy-to-brigh

ton-9644482.html
Good stuff, check out cost of premiership season tickets also in the independent
[quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: Great article on The Independent site today . Long article but here’s a small bit. ”Tony Bloom, sold Hyppia on the club’s ambition, which is to reach the Premier League whatever the financial restrictions, an aim underpinned by the impressive new infrastructure he has bankrolled.” http://www.independe nt.co.uk/sport/footb all/football-league/ sami-hyypia-brings-t ouch-of-roy-to-brigh ton-9644482.html[/p][/quote]Good stuff, check out cost of premiership season tickets also in the independent mark by the sea
  • Score: 7

4:14pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Falmer Wizard says...

Someone should whisper to Lua that although Saints are in the Premiership they have lost half of their first team side.
Someone should whisper to Lua that although Saints are in the Premiership they have lost half of their first team side. Falmer Wizard
  • Score: 5

4:22pm Sun 3 Aug 14

pjwilk says...

JoeBlow wrote:
leonrobichaud wrote:
I just want some honest, where are the club aiming to finish this year? Surely someone can tell us. All too quiet, did anyone else notice that we didn't get an email from Mr Bloom when we sold Ulloa like has happened in the past when he has made major moves?
Obviously they are aiming for top spot. They are, however, doing everything sensibly, ensuring they don't risk the future of the club on the gamble of promotion. I, for one, am very proud of the way this club is run. It's just some of the fans who disappoint me, expecting to be kept informed of the progress of negotiations for new players - that's not how things happen in Championship football.
Aiming for top spot by selling our best players,ha ha,that makes sense.
[quote][p][bold]JoeBlow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]leonrobichaud[/bold] wrote: I just want some honest, where are the club aiming to finish this year? Surely someone can tell us. All too quiet, did anyone else notice that we didn't get an email from Mr Bloom when we sold Ulloa like has happened in the past when he has made major moves?[/p][/quote]Obviously they are aiming for top spot. They are, however, doing everything sensibly, ensuring they don't risk the future of the club on the gamble of promotion. I, for one, am very proud of the way this club is run. It's just some of the fans who disappoint me, expecting to be kept informed of the progress of negotiations for new players - that's not how things happen in Championship football.[/p][/quote]Aiming for top spot by selling our best players,ha ha,that makes sense. pjwilk
  • Score: -2

4:25pm Sun 3 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Mark, I actually mentioned the American player a couple of weeks ago and yes, I did pose the question re visas. Yesterday I highlighted the fact that soccer in America is on the up and that the American people are turning out in huge numbers to watch, bigger number than any in the UK for the, 'big,' matches. Crowd numbers in the 50,000 range are not uncommon for MLS matches for clubs that have the capacity.
Drawing attention again today to the lad in question today was an attenpt at nothing more than to showcase his abilities and show that the level of ability in young American players is rising, and rising fast.

Check out Omar Gonzales, again LA Galaxy and one who is an international player, he is developing into an excelent defender.
Mark, I actually mentioned the American player a couple of weeks ago and yes, I did pose the question re visas. Yesterday I highlighted the fact that soccer in America is on the up and that the American people are turning out in huge numbers to watch, bigger number than any in the UK for the, 'big,' matches. Crowd numbers in the 50,000 range are not uncommon for MLS matches for clubs that have the capacity. Drawing attention again today to the lad in question today was an attenpt at nothing more than to showcase his abilities and show that the level of ability in young American players is rising, and rising fast. Check out Omar Gonzales, again LA Galaxy and one who is an international player, he is developing into an excelent defender. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -3

4:27pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
championshipgull wrote:
Great article on The Independent site today . Long article but here’s a small bit. ”Tony Bloom, sold Hyppia on the club’s ambition, which is to reach the Premier League whatever the financial restrictions, an aim underpinned by the impressive new infrastructure he has bankrolled.”

http://www.independe


nt.co.uk/sport/footb


all/football-league/


sami-hyypia-brings-t


ouch-of-roy-to-brigh


ton-9644482.html
Good stuff, check out cost of premiership season tickets also in the independent
Thanks for pointing it out.
For me, the most revealing element is Hughes' endorsement of SH's day-to-day approach. Not the first time a player has spoken in a positive way since he arrived, but the real test starts next week.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]championshipgull[/bold] wrote: Great article on The Independent site today . Long article but here’s a small bit. ”Tony Bloom, sold Hyppia on the club’s ambition, which is to reach the Premier League whatever the financial restrictions, an aim underpinned by the impressive new infrastructure he has bankrolled.” http://www.independe nt.co.uk/sport/footb all/football-league/ sami-hyypia-brings-t ouch-of-roy-to-brigh ton-9644482.html[/p][/quote]Good stuff, check out cost of premiership season tickets also in the independent[/p][/quote]Thanks for pointing it out. For me, the most revealing element is Hughes' endorsement of SH's day-to-day approach. Not the first time a player has spoken in a positive way since he arrived, but the real test starts next week. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

4:27pm Sun 3 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, I actually mentioned the American player a couple of weeks ago and yes, I did pose the question re visas. Yesterday I highlighted the fact that soccer in America is on the up and that the American people are turning out in huge numbers to watch, bigger number than any in the UK for the, 'big,' matches. Crowd numbers in the 50,000 range are not uncommon for MLS matches for clubs that have the capacity.
Drawing attention again today to the lad in question today was an attenpt at nothing more than to showcase his abilities and show that the level of ability in young American players is rising, and rising fast.

Check out Omar Gonzales, again LA Galaxy and one who is an international player, he is developing into an excelent defender.
the remainder of what you posted and I have ignored as it is just drivel.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, I actually mentioned the American player a couple of weeks ago and yes, I did pose the question re visas. Yesterday I highlighted the fact that soccer in America is on the up and that the American people are turning out in huge numbers to watch, bigger number than any in the UK for the, 'big,' matches. Crowd numbers in the 50,000 range are not uncommon for MLS matches for clubs that have the capacity. Drawing attention again today to the lad in question today was an attenpt at nothing more than to showcase his abilities and show that the level of ability in young American players is rising, and rising fast. Check out Omar Gonzales, again LA Galaxy and one who is an international player, he is developing into an excelent defender.[/p][/quote]the remainder of what you posted and I have ignored as it is just drivel. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -5

4:39pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
First of all Vegas I did mention suits which was a collective remark, my remarks re Barber were more based around his actual contribution so far he has done deals with Amex who were on board anyway and a shirt deal which was up for renewal anyway, of course he got rid of a load of people which had to be done because we were spending to much, I have noticed of late that TB seems to be more active than he was and Barber is quoted less perhaps he (PB) has been on holiday?
Personally and this is only my opinion there are cracks appearing, TB is now helping the Burke who from his interviews comes over so laid back he can't possibly sell the club to players, I think he would do well in the garden lounger dept if the club were a garden centre.
He wasn't at M City or Stains for very long and possibly jumped rather than pushed.
So my point being I have little confidence in either hence TB being involved more hands on of late, could see some changes mid season as this season is geared towards getting a settled side ready for the push for next .
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]First of all Vegas I did mention suits which was a collective remark, my remarks re Barber were more based around his actual contribution so far he has done deals with Amex who were on board anyway and a shirt deal which was up for renewal anyway, of course he got rid of a load of people which had to be done because we were spending to much, I have noticed of late that TB seems to be more active than he was and Barber is quoted less perhaps he (PB) has been on holiday? Personally and this is only my opinion there are cracks appearing, TB is now helping the Burke who from his interviews comes over so laid back he can't possibly sell the club to players, I think he would do well in the garden lounger dept if the club were a garden centre. He wasn't at M City or Stains for very long and possibly jumped rather than pushed. So my point being I have little confidence in either hence TB being involved more hands on of late, could see some changes mid season as this season is geared towards getting a settled side ready for the push for next . Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: -4

4:49pm Sun 3 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, I actually mentioned the American player a couple of weeks ago and yes, I did pose the question re visas. Yesterday I highlighted the fact that soccer in America is on the up and that the American people are turning out in huge numbers to watch, bigger number than any in the UK for the, 'big,' matches. Crowd numbers in the 50,000 range are not uncommon for MLS matches for clubs that have the capacity.
Drawing attention again today to the lad in question today was an attenpt at nothing more than to showcase his abilities and show that the level of ability in young American players is rising, and rising fast.

Check out Omar Gonzales, again LA Galaxy and one who is an international player, he is developing into an excelent defender.
Soccer / football is going to be massive not only in the states, but in Asia / India now have the money to start a league with several premier league players there now,
I mentioned yesterday about youth players getting game time, and in that how can the Albion ensure players develop ? They may not be quite ready for championship football... We now have lost the reserve league..
I would love to link up with orient or another footballing div 1 side.
I really expect the USA to get soccer, the " football " they play is about size , aggression , and physique .. Middle class Americans will love the game.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, I actually mentioned the American player a couple of weeks ago and yes, I did pose the question re visas. Yesterday I highlighted the fact that soccer in America is on the up and that the American people are turning out in huge numbers to watch, bigger number than any in the UK for the, 'big,' matches. Crowd numbers in the 50,000 range are not uncommon for MLS matches for clubs that have the capacity. Drawing attention again today to the lad in question today was an attenpt at nothing more than to showcase his abilities and show that the level of ability in young American players is rising, and rising fast. Check out Omar Gonzales, again LA Galaxy and one who is an international player, he is developing into an excelent defender.[/p][/quote]Soccer / football is going to be massive not only in the states, but in Asia / India now have the money to start a league with several premier league players there now, I mentioned yesterday about youth players getting game time, and in that how can the Albion ensure players develop ? They may not be quite ready for championship football... We now have lost the reserve league.. I would love to link up with orient or another footballing div 1 side. I really expect the USA to get soccer, the " football " they play is about size , aggression , and physique .. Middle class Americans will love the game. mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

4:54pm Sun 3 Aug 14

JeffLomer says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
But unless you know how much Murray and O'Grady were wanting (and you don't) then comparisons cannot be made. It is all about value for the money spent, nothing else. If they can get a player twice as good for a couple of % more they will. Conversely, if they can get a player a few % less gifted for half the price then they should consider it.

Also, I'm not sure also what this thing about the number of O'Grady's previous clubs is all about. Peter Crouch has been at 12 clubs already, does that mean anything? No.
Arnie, it's the same ol same ol, some are never happy unless they can find something to moan about. The digs are always the same, too old or too young, too cheap or we paid too much for a perceived, 'has been.' Played for too many clubs or, no other club wanted him.

Some people just can't help it, it's the way their DNA is put together.
Murray would have signed for just over half cms is on right now!
I was referring to Barnes who we could not offer a three year deal too.
Remind me Arnie of your DNA ,
I think you said I was wrong about season ticket sales would drop!
I said in January Leo was being chased bt Leicester ..
You keep saying players want happiness more than money, but I can't think of a player who has actually stayed here ...
As for Vegas asking you or check a USA player out? Perhaps he needs to remember visa controls on non international players... Rather than you getting your lap top out!
Can I ask you and Vegas a question ?.....?....?
Do you have Albion lap top covers?
Vegas you remember you wrote to barber about increasing income ?
Why don't you suggest tissue paper box covers to match your laptop covers ?
Prawn sandwich anyone!!
Mark's got plenty,
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]But unless you know how much Murray and O'Grady were wanting (and you don't) then comparisons cannot be made. It is all about value for the money spent, nothing else. If they can get a player twice as good for a couple of % more they will. Conversely, if they can get a player a few % less gifted for half the price then they should consider it. Also, I'm not sure also what this thing about the number of O'Grady's previous clubs is all about. Peter Crouch has been at 12 clubs already, does that mean anything? No.[/p][/quote]Arnie, it's the same ol same ol, some are never happy unless they can find something to moan about. The digs are always the same, too old or too young, too cheap or we paid too much for a perceived, 'has been.' Played for too many clubs or, no other club wanted him. Some people just can't help it, it's the way their DNA is put together.[/p][/quote]Murray would have signed for just over half cms is on right now! I was referring to Barnes who we could not offer a three year deal too. Remind me Arnie of your DNA , I think you said I was wrong about season ticket sales would drop! I said in January Leo was being chased bt Leicester .. You keep saying players want happiness more than money, but I can't think of a player who has actually stayed here ... As for Vegas asking you or check a USA player out? Perhaps he needs to remember visa controls on non international players... Rather than you getting your lap top out! Can I ask you and Vegas a question ?.....?....? Do you have Albion lap top covers? Vegas you remember you wrote to barber about increasing income ? Why don't you suggest tissue paper box covers to match your laptop covers ?[/p][/quote]Prawn sandwich anyone!! Mark's got plenty, JeffLomer
  • Score: -3

5:02pm Sun 3 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

JeffLomer wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
But unless you know how much Murray and O'Grady were wanting (and you don't) then comparisons cannot be made. It is all about value for the money spent, nothing else. If they can get a player twice as good for a couple of % more they will. Conversely, if they can get a player a few % less gifted for half the price then they should consider it.

Also, I'm not sure also what this thing about the number of O'Grady's previous clubs is all about. Peter Crouch has been at 12 clubs already, does that mean anything? No.
Arnie, it's the same ol same ol, some are never happy unless they can find something to moan about. The digs are always the same, too old or too young, too cheap or we paid too much for a perceived, 'has been.' Played for too many clubs or, no other club wanted him.

Some people just can't help it, it's the way their DNA is put together.
Murray would have signed for just over half cms is on right now!
I was referring to Barnes who we could not offer a three year deal too.
Remind me Arnie of your DNA ,
I think you said I was wrong about season ticket sales would drop!
I said in January Leo was being chased bt Leicester ..
You keep saying players want happiness more than money, but I can't think of a player who has actually stayed here ...
As for Vegas asking you or check a USA player out? Perhaps he needs to remember visa controls on non international players... Rather than you getting your lap top out!
Can I ask you and Vegas a question ?.....?....?
Do you have Albion lap top covers?
Vegas you remember you wrote to barber about increasing income ?
Why don't you suggest tissue paper box covers to match your laptop covers ?
Prawn sandwich anyone!!
Mark's got plenty,
Haha , no far from it! Knoll estate actually!
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]But unless you know how much Murray and O'Grady were wanting (and you don't) then comparisons cannot be made. It is all about value for the money spent, nothing else. If they can get a player twice as good for a couple of % more they will. Conversely, if they can get a player a few % less gifted for half the price then they should consider it. Also, I'm not sure also what this thing about the number of O'Grady's previous clubs is all about. Peter Crouch has been at 12 clubs already, does that mean anything? No.[/p][/quote]Arnie, it's the same ol same ol, some are never happy unless they can find something to moan about. The digs are always the same, too old or too young, too cheap or we paid too much for a perceived, 'has been.' Played for too many clubs or, no other club wanted him. Some people just can't help it, it's the way their DNA is put together.[/p][/quote]Murray would have signed for just over half cms is on right now! I was referring to Barnes who we could not offer a three year deal too. Remind me Arnie of your DNA , I think you said I was wrong about season ticket sales would drop! I said in January Leo was being chased bt Leicester .. You keep saying players want happiness more than money, but I can't think of a player who has actually stayed here ... As for Vegas asking you or check a USA player out? Perhaps he needs to remember visa controls on non international players... Rather than you getting your lap top out! Can I ask you and Vegas a question ?.....?....? Do you have Albion lap top covers? Vegas you remember you wrote to barber about increasing income ? Why don't you suggest tissue paper box covers to match your laptop covers ?[/p][/quote]Prawn sandwich anyone!! Mark's got plenty,[/p][/quote]Haha , no far from it! Knoll estate actually! mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

5:04pm Sun 3 Aug 14

pte says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one?

Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine.

Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem.

As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time?

You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career.

You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one? Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine. Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem. As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time? You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career. You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract! pte
  • Score: -2

5:07pm Sun 3 Aug 14

pte says...

pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one?

Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine.

Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem.

As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time?

You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career.

You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract!
Sorry, the money saved by retaining Murray and not buying CMS
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one? Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine. Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem. As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time? You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career. You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract![/p][/quote]Sorry, the money saved by retaining Murray and not buying CMS pte
  • Score: 0

5:10pm Sun 3 Aug 14

tug509 says...

KING KAZ ,give the guy another two years for petes sake ,or suffer the consequences . This man can and does change games ,how many of you can say you have never seen a spark of genius that has won us 3 points ?.
KING KAZ ,give the guy another two years for petes sake ,or suffer the consequences . This man can and does change games ,how many of you can say you have never seen a spark of genius that has won us 3 points ?. tug509
  • Score: 8

5:28pm Sun 3 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

pte wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one?

Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine.

Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem.

As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time?

You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career.

You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract!
Sorry, the money saved by retaining Murray and not buying CMS
If your process behind the scenes is flawed , your in trouble, to many Indians all wanting to be called chief , we allow players to leave when money talks, but allowed Murray to walk even though he wanted to stay!
Barnes is a Year or so away from his prime,
I can already sense cms will be off , we won't match his contract he is on now £17k a week ...Arnie says he will stay as happiness is worth more than another 10k a week, how do we know cms is happy here? Would he be happier if he went to peterborough on a free next year, closer to his family , maybe playing championship football.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one? Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine. Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem. As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time? You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career. You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract![/p][/quote]Sorry, the money saved by retaining Murray and not buying CMS[/p][/quote]If your process behind the scenes is flawed , your in trouble, to many Indians all wanting to be called chief , we allow players to leave when money talks, but allowed Murray to walk even though he wanted to stay! Barnes is a Year or so away from his prime, I can already sense cms will be off , we won't match his contract he is on now £17k a week ...Arnie says he will stay as happiness is worth more than another 10k a week, how do we know cms is happy here? Would he be happier if he went to peterborough on a free next year, closer to his family , maybe playing championship football. mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

5:37pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Clean Sheet says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
Barnes decided last summer that he wanted to go. His prospects of first team action seeming limited, and his agent filling his ears with offers of gold elsewhere. Due to the injury list that we had for the first half of the season, he actually got a lot of game time. He made a good move to Burnley, but is unlikely to feature much this season.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]Barnes decided last summer that he wanted to go. His prospects of first team action seeming limited, and his agent filling his ears with offers of gold elsewhere. Due to the injury list that we had for the first half of the season, he actually got a lot of game time. He made a good move to Burnley, but is unlikely to feature much this season. Clean Sheet
  • Score: 6

5:41pm Sun 3 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
KING KAZ ,give the guy another two years for petes sake ,or suffer the consequences . This man can and does change games ,how many of you can say you have never seen a spark of genius that has won us 3 points ?.
Hi Tug.
Knowing that you have long since been a advocate for Kaz, along with others on here, I am sure that you are aware of the glaring issue tht surrounds Kaz, that being the question mark hanging over his fitness levels.
The lad needs to play maybe five 90 minute matches on the bounce in order to put that issue to bed, but like all players, he is going to have to deliver to get a run of games.
Maybe this season will be his time, I really hope so as it never hurts to have goals being score by wide players, I think Buckley will need to chip in too as far as scoring is concerned.
Was it Kaz over the last two seasons, or was it the two managers that just didn't use him enough, this season might answer that one.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: KING KAZ ,give the guy another two years for petes sake ,or suffer the consequences . This man can and does change games ,how many of you can say you have never seen a spark of genius that has won us 3 points ?.[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. Knowing that you have long since been a advocate for Kaz, along with others on here, I am sure that you are aware of the glaring issue tht surrounds Kaz, that being the question mark hanging over his fitness levels. The lad needs to play maybe five 90 minute matches on the bounce in order to put that issue to bed, but like all players, he is going to have to deliver to get a run of games. Maybe this season will be his time, I really hope so as it never hurts to have goals being score by wide players, I think Buckley will need to chip in too as far as scoring is concerned. Was it Kaz over the last two seasons, or was it the two managers that just didn't use him enough, this season might answer that one. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

5:46pm Sun 3 Aug 14

tug509 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one?

Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine.

Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem.

As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time?

You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career.

You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract!
Sorry, the money saved by retaining Murray and not buying CMS
If your process behind the scenes is flawed , your in trouble, to many Indians all wanting to be called chief , we allow players to leave when money talks, but allowed Murray to walk even though he wanted to stay!
Barnes is a Year or so away from his prime,
I can already sense cms will be off , we won't match his contract he is on now £17k a week ...Arnie says he will stay as happiness is worth more than another 10k a week, how do we know cms is happy here? Would he be happier if he went to peterborough on a free next year, closer to his family , maybe playing championship football.
He`s family is here ! get a grip Mark ,of course money talks ,and with the injuries CMS has had ,he is looking to pay us back with a good season for standing by him ,but to look at your neg view how much do you think he will command as a wage after so long out ?.
I believe Craig will work his socks off for our magnificent club and repay us ,not for the monetary cost ,but because he is a quality lad who likes scoring !!. UTA
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one? Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine. Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem. As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time? You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career. You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract![/p][/quote]Sorry, the money saved by retaining Murray and not buying CMS[/p][/quote]If your process behind the scenes is flawed , your in trouble, to many Indians all wanting to be called chief , we allow players to leave when money talks, but allowed Murray to walk even though he wanted to stay! Barnes is a Year or so away from his prime, I can already sense cms will be off , we won't match his contract he is on now £17k a week ...Arnie says he will stay as happiness is worth more than another 10k a week, how do we know cms is happy here? Would he be happier if he went to peterborough on a free next year, closer to his family , maybe playing championship football.[/p][/quote]He`s family is here ! get a grip Mark ,of course money talks ,and with the injuries CMS has had ,he is looking to pay us back with a good season for standing by him ,but to look at your neg view how much do you think he will command as a wage after so long out ?. I believe Craig will work his socks off for our magnificent club and repay us ,not for the monetary cost ,but because he is a quality lad who likes scoring !!. UTA tug509
  • Score: 1

5:56pm Sun 3 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Mark, when the game truly takes off over here, and one day I think it will, America has the potential to make today's prem money look like chicken feed.
The television money alone would be bigger than any of us can imagine, and gate numbers would dwarf any of those currently attending prem matches. The Man United game of yesterday was played at a college stadium, not a national stadium, not a pro American football stadium, a college football ground, 109,000 turned up. The money over here, once soccer really gets going, would be such that every single top world class player could be bought, and bought whilst in their prime and not at the end of their careers. Given time America could change the face of football as we know it.
Mark, when the game truly takes off over here, and one day I think it will, America has the potential to make today's prem money look like chicken feed. The television money alone would be bigger than any of us can imagine, and gate numbers would dwarf any of those currently attending prem matches. The Man United game of yesterday was played at a college stadium, not a national stadium, not a pro American football stadium, a college football ground, 109,000 turned up. The money over here, once soccer really gets going, would be such that every single top world class player could be bought, and bought whilst in their prime and not at the end of their careers. Given time America could change the face of football as we know it. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -3

6:03pm Sun 3 Aug 14

pte says...

mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one?

Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine.

Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem.

As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time?

You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career.

You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract!
Sorry, the money saved by retaining Murray and not buying CMS
If your process behind the scenes is flawed , your in trouble, to many Indians all wanting to be called chief , we allow players to leave when money talks, but allowed Murray to walk even though he wanted to stay!
Barnes is a Year or so away from his prime,
I can already sense cms will be off , we won't match his contract he is on now £17k a week ...Arnie says he will stay as happiness is worth more than another 10k a week, how do we know cms is happy here? Would he be happier if he went to peterborough on a free next year, closer to his family , maybe playing championship football.
The people that think players like CMS will stay regardless of money because they are happy are deluded. If they were right then CMS would have stayed at Posh, he was their top scorer and married to the chairman's daughter. He was happy at Posh but came to us because he could earn more.

The club had to accept 500k on Barnes because there was only 6 months on his contract. But otherwise, if Barnes's value is around 1m why would you only offer a short contract and risk losing him on a Bosman? It just doesn't make sense
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one? Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine. Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem. As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time? You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career. You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract![/p][/quote]Sorry, the money saved by retaining Murray and not buying CMS[/p][/quote]If your process behind the scenes is flawed , your in trouble, to many Indians all wanting to be called chief , we allow players to leave when money talks, but allowed Murray to walk even though he wanted to stay! Barnes is a Year or so away from his prime, I can already sense cms will be off , we won't match his contract he is on now £17k a week ...Arnie says he will stay as happiness is worth more than another 10k a week, how do we know cms is happy here? Would he be happier if he went to peterborough on a free next year, closer to his family , maybe playing championship football.[/p][/quote]The people that think players like CMS will stay regardless of money because they are happy are deluded. If they were right then CMS would have stayed at Posh, he was their top scorer and married to the chairman's daughter. He was happy at Posh but came to us because he could earn more. The club had to accept 500k on Barnes because there was only 6 months on his contract. But otherwise, if Barnes's value is around 1m why would you only offer a short contract and risk losing him on a Bosman? It just doesn't make sense pte
  • Score: 1

6:04pm Sun 3 Aug 14

OldGull says...

leonrobichaud wrote:
I just want some honest, where are the club aiming to finish this year? Surely someone can tell us. All too quiet, did anyone else notice that we didn't get an email from Mr Bloom when we sold Ulloa like has happened in the past when he has made major moves?
So, how many clubs do you know who announce where they are going to finish?
[quote][p][bold]leonrobichaud[/bold] wrote: I just want some honest, where are the club aiming to finish this year? Surely someone can tell us. All too quiet, did anyone else notice that we didn't get an email from Mr Bloom when we sold Ulloa like has happened in the past when he has made major moves?[/p][/quote]So, how many clubs do you know who announce where they are going to finish? OldGull
  • Score: -2

6:23pm Sun 3 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

tug509 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one?

Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine.

Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem.

As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time?

You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career.

You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract!
Sorry, the money saved by retaining Murray and not buying CMS
If your process behind the scenes is flawed , your in trouble, to many Indians all wanting to be called chief , we allow players to leave when money talks, but allowed Murray to walk even though he wanted to stay!
Barnes is a Year or so away from his prime,
I can already sense cms will be off , we won't match his contract he is on now £17k a week ...Arnie says he will stay as happiness is worth more than another 10k a week, how do we know cms is happy here? Would he be happier if he went to peterborough on a free next year, closer to his family , maybe playing championship football.
He`s family is here ! get a grip Mark ,of course money talks ,and with the injuries CMS has had ,he is looking to pay us back with a good season for standing by him ,but to look at your neg view how much do you think he will command as a wage after so long out ?.
I believe Craig will work his socks off for our magnificent club and repay us ,not for the monetary cost ,but because he is a quality lad who likes scoring !!. UTA
Craig is out of contract in 10 months time, let's run through a few options on what might happen
1) he scores 6-7 by Xmas , playing really well, what do we do? Allow his contract to run out? Knowing the vultures will be offering him big signing on fees?
2) offer him our ceiling of 10k a week now? And extend his contract with him getting a drop of 350k a year at 30 years of age!
His family is where his in laws are in honesty, his happiness is multi facet .
His wife's happiness = his happiness !
I think he will want to repay the club this season , but his next contract will be in his agents, and his father in laws minds!
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one? Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine. Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem. As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time? You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career. You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract![/p][/quote]Sorry, the money saved by retaining Murray and not buying CMS[/p][/quote]If your process behind the scenes is flawed , your in trouble, to many Indians all wanting to be called chief , we allow players to leave when money talks, but allowed Murray to walk even though he wanted to stay! Barnes is a Year or so away from his prime, I can already sense cms will be off , we won't match his contract he is on now £17k a week ...Arnie says he will stay as happiness is worth more than another 10k a week, how do we know cms is happy here? Would he be happier if he went to peterborough on a free next year, closer to his family , maybe playing championship football.[/p][/quote]He`s family is here ! get a grip Mark ,of course money talks ,and with the injuries CMS has had ,he is looking to pay us back with a good season for standing by him ,but to look at your neg view how much do you think he will command as a wage after so long out ?. I believe Craig will work his socks off for our magnificent club and repay us ,not for the monetary cost ,but because he is a quality lad who likes scoring !!. UTA[/p][/quote]Craig is out of contract in 10 months time, let's run through a few options on what might happen 1) he scores 6-7 by Xmas , playing really well, what do we do? Allow his contract to run out? Knowing the vultures will be offering him big signing on fees? 2) offer him our ceiling of 10k a week now? And extend his contract with him getting a drop of 350k a year at 30 years of age! His family is where his in laws are in honesty, his happiness is multi facet . His wife's happiness = his happiness ! I think he will want to repay the club this season , but his next contract will be in his agents, and his father in laws minds! mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

6:25pm Sun 3 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one?

Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine.

Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem.

As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time?

You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career.

You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract!
Sorry, the money saved by retaining Murray and not buying CMS
If your process behind the scenes is flawed , your in trouble, to many Indians all wanting to be called chief , we allow players to leave when money talks, but allowed Murray to walk even though he wanted to stay!
Barnes is a Year or so away from his prime,
I can already sense cms will be off , we won't match his contract he is on now £17k a week ...Arnie says he will stay as happiness is worth more than another 10k a week, how do we know cms is happy here? Would he be happier if he went to peterborough on a free next year, closer to his family , maybe playing championship football.
The people that think players like CMS will stay regardless of money because they are happy are deluded. If they were right then CMS would have stayed at Posh, he was their top scorer and married to the chairman's daughter. He was happy at Posh but came to us because he could earn more.

The club had to accept 500k on Barnes because there was only 6 months on his contract. But otherwise, if Barnes's value is around 1m why would you only offer a short contract and risk losing him on a Bosman? It just doesn't make sense
but don't forget that Burnley had been in for Barnes in the previous window, and Barnes would have known this.
At the time of leaving Barnes joined a club that was looking good for promotion, he wanted to go and I doubt the offer of a new contract would have changed anything, in fact didn't he have a new contract offer on the table, an offer he didn't take?
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one? Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine. Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem. As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time? You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career. You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract![/p][/quote]Sorry, the money saved by retaining Murray and not buying CMS[/p][/quote]If your process behind the scenes is flawed , your in trouble, to many Indians all wanting to be called chief , we allow players to leave when money talks, but allowed Murray to walk even though he wanted to stay! Barnes is a Year or so away from his prime, I can already sense cms will be off , we won't match his contract he is on now £17k a week ...Arnie says he will stay as happiness is worth more than another 10k a week, how do we know cms is happy here? Would he be happier if he went to peterborough on a free next year, closer to his family , maybe playing championship football.[/p][/quote]The people that think players like CMS will stay regardless of money because they are happy are deluded. If they were right then CMS would have stayed at Posh, he was their top scorer and married to the chairman's daughter. He was happy at Posh but came to us because he could earn more. The club had to accept 500k on Barnes because there was only 6 months on his contract. But otherwise, if Barnes's value is around 1m why would you only offer a short contract and risk losing him on a Bosman? It just doesn't make sense[/p][/quote]but don't forget that Burnley had been in for Barnes in the previous window, and Barnes would have known this. At the time of leaving Barnes joined a club that was looking good for promotion, he wanted to go and I doubt the offer of a new contract would have changed anything, in fact didn't he have a new contract offer on the table, an offer he didn't take? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

6:26pm Sun 3 Aug 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, I actually mentioned the American player a couple of weeks ago and yes, I did pose the question re visas. Yesterday I highlighted the fact that soccer in America is on the up and that the American people are turning out in huge numbers to watch, bigger number than any in the UK for the, 'big,' matches. Crowd numbers in the 50,000 range are not uncommon for MLS matches for clubs that have the capacity.
Drawing attention again today to the lad in question today was an attenpt at nothing more than to showcase his abilities and show that the level of ability in young American players is rising, and rising fast.

Check out Omar Gonzales, again LA Galaxy and one who is an international player, he is developing into an excelent defender.
Is the gardening business going bad,have you become an agent.
You have to contact the Albion.

B.B.B do not come on this site,and i for one cannot blame them.

So Wardy(Sir Peter Ward) is doing a good job over there.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, I actually mentioned the American player a couple of weeks ago and yes, I did pose the question re visas. Yesterday I highlighted the fact that soccer in America is on the up and that the American people are turning out in huge numbers to watch, bigger number than any in the UK for the, 'big,' matches. Crowd numbers in the 50,000 range are not uncommon for MLS matches for clubs that have the capacity. Drawing attention again today to the lad in question today was an attenpt at nothing more than to showcase his abilities and show that the level of ability in young American players is rising, and rising fast. Check out Omar Gonzales, again LA Galaxy and one who is an international player, he is developing into an excelent defender.[/p][/quote]Is the gardening business going bad,have you become an agent. You have to contact the Albion. B.B.B do not come on this site,and i for one cannot blame them. So Wardy(Sir Peter Ward) is doing a good job over there. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 3

6:36pm Sun 3 Aug 14

pte says...

mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one?

Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine.

Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem.

As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time?

You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career.

You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract!
Sorry, the money saved by retaining Murray and not buying CMS
If your process behind the scenes is flawed , your in trouble, to many Indians all wanting to be called chief , we allow players to leave when money talks, but allowed Murray to walk even though he wanted to stay!
Barnes is a Year or so away from his prime,
I can already sense cms will be off , we won't match his contract he is on now £17k a week ...Arnie says he will stay as happiness is worth more than another 10k a week, how do we know cms is happy here? Would he be happier if he went to peterborough on a free next year, closer to his family , maybe playing championship football.
He`s family is here ! get a grip Mark ,of course money talks ,and with the injuries CMS has had ,he is looking to pay us back with a good season for standing by him ,but to look at your neg view how much do you think he will command as a wage after so long out ?.
I believe Craig will work his socks off for our magnificent club and repay us ,not for the monetary cost ,but because he is a quality lad who likes scoring !!. UTA
Craig is out of contract in 10 months time, let's run through a few options on what might happen
1) he scores 6-7 by Xmas , playing really well, what do we do? Allow his contract to run out? Knowing the vultures will be offering him big signing on fees?
2) offer him our ceiling of 10k a week now? And extend his contract with him getting a drop of 350k a year at 30 years of age!
His family is where his in laws are in honesty, his happiness is multi facet .
His wife's happiness = his happiness !
I think he will want to repay the club this season , but his next contract will be in his agents, and his father in laws minds!
Well since his father in law is the chairman of Posh, then if the ceiling is 10k then for the sake of family happiness I think he'd accept 8k from Posh just to be with his family after all money isnt everything!

Actually if COG reckons he's worth 15K then surely CMS, a Scottish international can get 15k especially if he eventually goes on a Bosman and the new club doesn't have to pay a fee

They can get 1m for him now but if they think he can get them promotion then he's worth keeping even if they have to let him go on a Bosman. They can hold off making a decision until January
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one? Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine. Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem. As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time? You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career. You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract![/p][/quote]Sorry, the money saved by retaining Murray and not buying CMS[/p][/quote]If your process behind the scenes is flawed , your in trouble, to many Indians all wanting to be called chief , we allow players to leave when money talks, but allowed Murray to walk even though he wanted to stay! Barnes is a Year or so away from his prime, I can already sense cms will be off , we won't match his contract he is on now £17k a week ...Arnie says he will stay as happiness is worth more than another 10k a week, how do we know cms is happy here? Would he be happier if he went to peterborough on a free next year, closer to his family , maybe playing championship football.[/p][/quote]He`s family is here ! get a grip Mark ,of course money talks ,and with the injuries CMS has had ,he is looking to pay us back with a good season for standing by him ,but to look at your neg view how much do you think he will command as a wage after so long out ?. I believe Craig will work his socks off for our magnificent club and repay us ,not for the monetary cost ,but because he is a quality lad who likes scoring !!. UTA[/p][/quote]Craig is out of contract in 10 months time, let's run through a few options on what might happen 1) he scores 6-7 by Xmas , playing really well, what do we do? Allow his contract to run out? Knowing the vultures will be offering him big signing on fees? 2) offer him our ceiling of 10k a week now? And extend his contract with him getting a drop of 350k a year at 30 years of age! His family is where his in laws are in honesty, his happiness is multi facet . His wife's happiness = his happiness ! I think he will want to repay the club this season , but his next contract will be in his agents, and his father in laws minds![/p][/quote]Well since his father in law is the chairman of Posh, then if the ceiling is 10k then for the sake of family happiness I think he'd accept 8k from Posh just to be with his family after all money isnt everything! Actually if COG reckons he's worth 15K then surely CMS, a Scottish international can get 15k especially if he eventually goes on a Bosman and the new club doesn't have to pay a fee They can get 1m for him now but if they think he can get them promotion then he's worth keeping even if they have to let him go on a Bosman. They can hold off making a decision until January pte
  • Score: 0

6:46pm Sun 3 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one?

Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine.

Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem.

As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time?

You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career.

You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract!
Sorry, the money saved by retaining Murray and not buying CMS
If your process behind the scenes is flawed , your in trouble, to many Indians all wanting to be called chief , we allow players to leave when money talks, but allowed Murray to walk even though he wanted to stay!
Barnes is a Year or so away from his prime,
I can already sense cms will be off , we won't match his contract he is on now £17k a week ...Arnie says he will stay as happiness is worth more than another 10k a week, how do we know cms is happy here? Would he be happier if he went to peterborough on a free next year, closer to his family , maybe playing championship football.
The people that think players like CMS will stay regardless of money because they are happy are deluded. If they were right then CMS would have stayed at Posh, he was their top scorer and married to the chairman's daughter. He was happy at Posh but came to us because he could earn more.

The club had to accept 500k on Barnes because there was only 6 months on his contract. But otherwise, if Barnes's value is around 1m why would you only offer a short contract and risk losing him on a Bosman? It just doesn't make sense
but don't forget that Burnley had been in for Barnes in the previous window, and Barnes would have known this.
At the time of leaving Barnes joined a club that was looking good for promotion, he wanted to go and I doubt the offer of a new contract would have changed anything, in fact didn't he have a new contract offer on the table, an offer he didn't take?
Yes he had a two year deal on the table, apparently he went to secure his families future? But at 24 that seems pie in the sky! I think he is two years off his prime .
I think sometimes my comments are taken as WUM , I can see issues only 4 months away when we will have offers for craig if he shows something of the fee we paid for him, I am just playing devils advocate over players contracts.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one? Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine. Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem. As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time? You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career. You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract![/p][/quote]Sorry, the money saved by retaining Murray and not buying CMS[/p][/quote]If your process behind the scenes is flawed , your in trouble, to many Indians all wanting to be called chief , we allow players to leave when money talks, but allowed Murray to walk even though he wanted to stay! Barnes is a Year or so away from his prime, I can already sense cms will be off , we won't match his contract he is on now £17k a week ...Arnie says he will stay as happiness is worth more than another 10k a week, how do we know cms is happy here? Would he be happier if he went to peterborough on a free next year, closer to his family , maybe playing championship football.[/p][/quote]The people that think players like CMS will stay regardless of money because they are happy are deluded. If they were right then CMS would have stayed at Posh, he was their top scorer and married to the chairman's daughter. He was happy at Posh but came to us because he could earn more. The club had to accept 500k on Barnes because there was only 6 months on his contract. But otherwise, if Barnes's value is around 1m why would you only offer a short contract and risk losing him on a Bosman? It just doesn't make sense[/p][/quote]but don't forget that Burnley had been in for Barnes in the previous window, and Barnes would have known this. At the time of leaving Barnes joined a club that was looking good for promotion, he wanted to go and I doubt the offer of a new contract would have changed anything, in fact didn't he have a new contract offer on the table, an offer he didn't take?[/p][/quote]Yes he had a two year deal on the table, apparently he went to secure his families future? But at 24 that seems pie in the sky! I think he is two years off his prime . I think sometimes my comments are taken as WUM , I can see issues only 4 months away when we will have offers for craig if he shows something of the fee we paid for him, I am just playing devils advocate over players contracts. mark by the sea
  • Score: 4

7:05pm Sun 3 Aug 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

For those who do not go on the seagulls site,take a look.

Albion need no new players,they are here,locked in not like Gus locked out.
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=Ntm2NmTY
tAI&feature=youtu.be
For those who do not go on the seagulls site,take a look. Albion need no new players,they are here,locked in not like Gus locked out. https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=Ntm2NmTY tAI&feature=youtu.be don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 1

7:08pm Sun 3 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Mark if we are capable of seeing the CMS contract issue, my guess is so have the club.
I think that there is a chance that the club will let his contract run down for the time being, revisit the issue come Christmas. If he has a good first half to the season he might well attract attention from the promotion chasing clubs, and some parachute money could tempt him. If that were to happen we would get somethng for him, five months would be left on his contract. If no one comes for him, he might well sign a new deal with us, if we want to keep him.

Renewing his deal now is a bit of a gamble, but maybe one that Hyypia wants to take.
Mark if we are capable of seeing the CMS contract issue, my guess is so have the club. I think that there is a chance that the club will let his contract run down for the time being, revisit the issue come Christmas. If he has a good first half to the season he might well attract attention from the promotion chasing clubs, and some parachute money could tempt him. If that were to happen we would get somethng for him, five months would be left on his contract. If no one comes for him, he might well sign a new deal with us, if we want to keep him. Renewing his deal now is a bit of a gamble, but maybe one that Hyypia wants to take. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -3

7:43pm Sun 3 Aug 14

OldGull says...

Laugh, We have people on here blaming Burke for Murray leaving!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on you trolls
Please check your dates........

I know you numpties blame Burke for everything , but really.
How could he be to blame for a player leaving the year before he arrived?
Laugh, We have people on here blaming Burke for Murray leaving!!!!!!!!!!! Come on you trolls Please check your dates........ I know you numpties blame Burke for everything , but really. How could he be to blame for a player leaving the year before he arrived? OldGull
  • Score: 6

7:51pm Sun 3 Aug 14

OldGull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
MBTS please explain why you blame Barber & Burke for Murray failing to sign?
Barnes left in 2011
Barber & Burke joined in 2012.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]MBTS please explain why you blame Barber & Burke for Murray failing to sign? Barnes left in 2011 Barber & Burke joined in 2012. OldGull
  • Score: -1

7:54pm Sun 3 Aug 14

OldGull says...

pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one?

Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine.

Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem.

As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time?

You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career.

You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract!
Please explain why you blame Barber & Burke for Murray failing to sign?
Barnes left in 2011
Barber & Burke joined in 2012
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one? Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine. Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem. As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time? You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career. You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract![/p][/quote]Please explain why you blame Barber & Burke for Murray failing to sign? Barnes left in 2011 Barber & Burke joined in 2012 OldGull
  • Score: -1

8:24pm Sun 3 Aug 14

driverchris53 says...

I have the feeling that this season we may see the player Kazenga Lua Lua has always threatened to be.He looks strong and fit.I think the new set up will suit him;he has the pace and control to beat players but his passing and crossing has let him down.playing tighter to the striker he should cause more damage;and score more goals,Hopefully the young players will all make massive strides forward this year;March,Forster-C
askey,Ince Fenelon could all break through onto the next level.Sadly i have my reservations about Dunk;he looked a good player 3 years ago but has gone backwards since,At his age he should be first team regular by now.
I have the feeling that this season we may see the player Kazenga Lua Lua has always threatened to be.He looks strong and fit.I think the new set up will suit him;he has the pace and control to beat players but his passing and crossing has let him down.playing tighter to the striker he should cause more damage;and score more goals,Hopefully the young players will all make massive strides forward this year;March,Forster-C askey,Ince Fenelon could all break through onto the next level.Sadly i have my reservations about Dunk;he looked a good player 3 years ago but has gone backwards since,At his age he should be first team regular by now. driverchris53
  • Score: 1

8:32pm Sun 3 Aug 14

ringtone says...

It would appear Burke is picking the players who sign, hence the usual suspects and no Germans.

It would appear Sami may have the power of veto

I suppose this is what a coach does these days

Maybe time to compare the players Gus bought to the club against the sterling work of Mr Burke
It would appear Burke is picking the players who sign, hence the usual suspects and no Germans. It would appear Sami may have the power of veto I suppose this is what a coach does these days Maybe time to compare the players Gus bought to the club against the sterling work of Mr Burke ringtone
  • Score: 2

8:39pm Sun 3 Aug 14

ringtone says...

OldGull wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one?

Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine.

Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem.

As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time?

You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career.

You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract!
Please explain why you blame Barber & Burke for Murray failing to sign?
Barnes left in 2011
Barber & Burke joined in 2012
What do you get out of defending them?
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one? Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine. Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem. As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time? You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career. You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract![/p][/quote]Please explain why you blame Barber & Burke for Murray failing to sign? Barnes left in 2011 Barber & Burke joined in 2012[/p][/quote]What do you get out of defending them? ringtone
  • Score: -2

8:50pm Sun 3 Aug 14

pannell1 says...

Another rumour is that the saga of ward is almost over other than a medical its a done deal
Another rumour is that the saga of ward is almost over other than a medical its a done deal pannell1
  • Score: 2

8:58pm Sun 3 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

OldGull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
MBTS please explain why you blame Barber & Burke for Murray failing to sign?
Barnes left in 2011
Barber & Burke joined in 2012.
Barnes left 2014
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]MBTS please explain why you blame Barber & Burke for Murray failing to sign? Barnes left in 2011 Barber & Burke joined in 2012.[/p][/quote]Barnes left 2014 mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

9:15pm Sun 3 Aug 14

OldGull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
OldGull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
MBTS please explain why you blame Barber & Burke for Murray failing to sign?
Barnes left in 2011
Barber & Burke joined in 2012.
Barnes left 2014
yes but you were also quoting Murray.

With ref to Barnes, many people on here were perpetually moaning about him when he played for us .
I wonder , did you?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]MBTS please explain why you blame Barber & Burke for Murray failing to sign? Barnes left in 2011 Barber & Burke joined in 2012.[/p][/quote]Barnes left 2014[/p][/quote]yes but you were also quoting Murray. With ref to Barnes, many people on here were perpetually moaning about him when he played for us . I wonder , did you? OldGull
  • Score: -1

9:18pm Sun 3 Aug 14

ringtone says...

OldGull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
OldGull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
MBTS please explain why you blame Barber & Burke for Murray failing to sign?
Barnes left in 2011
Barber & Burke joined in 2012.
Barnes left 2014
yes but you were also quoting Murray.

With ref to Barnes, many people on here were perpetually moaning about him when he played for us .
I wonder , did you?
Can't even accept being wrong.

Where is the maturity
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]MBTS please explain why you blame Barber & Burke for Murray failing to sign? Barnes left in 2011 Barber & Burke joined in 2012.[/p][/quote]Barnes left 2014[/p][/quote]yes but you were also quoting Murray. With ref to Barnes, many people on here were perpetually moaning about him when he played for us . I wonder , did you?[/p][/quote]Can't even accept being wrong. Where is the maturity ringtone
  • Score: 2

9:24pm Sun 3 Aug 14

OldGull says...

ringtone wrote:
OldGull wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one?

Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine.

Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem.

As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time?

You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career.

You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract!
Please explain why you blame Barber & Burke for Murray failing to sign?
Barnes left in 2011
Barber & Burke joined in 2012
What do you get out of defending them?
Being a reasonable person, I do not blame people for something they didn't do.
Is that too hard to understand?
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one? Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine. Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem. As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time? You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career. You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract![/p][/quote]Please explain why you blame Barber & Burke for Murray failing to sign? Barnes left in 2011 Barber & Burke joined in 2012[/p][/quote]What do you get out of defending them?[/p][/quote]Being a reasonable person, I do not blame people for something they didn't do. Is that too hard to understand? OldGull
  • Score: 0

10:02pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Your looking good dutch says...

OldGull wrote:
ringtone wrote:
OldGull wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one?

Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine.

Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem.

As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time?

You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career.

You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract!
Please explain why you blame Barber & Burke for Murray failing to sign?
Barnes left in 2011
Barber & Burke joined in 2012
What do you get out of defending them?
Being a reasonable person, I do not blame people for something they didn't do.
Is that too hard to understand?
Grow up children. Let's just agree to disagree. Up the Albion.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one? Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine. Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem. As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time? You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career. You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract![/p][/quote]Please explain why you blame Barber & Burke for Murray failing to sign? Barnes left in 2011 Barber & Burke joined in 2012[/p][/quote]What do you get out of defending them?[/p][/quote]Being a reasonable person, I do not blame people for something they didn't do. Is that too hard to understand?[/p][/quote]Grow up children. Let's just agree to disagree. Up the Albion. Your looking good dutch
  • Score: 1

10:15pm Sun 3 Aug 14

albionfan33 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, when the game truly takes off over here, and one day I think it will, America has the potential to make today's prem money look like chicken feed.
The television money alone would be bigger than any of us can imagine, and gate numbers would dwarf any of those currently attending prem matches. The Man United game of yesterday was played at a college stadium, not a national stadium, not a pro American football stadium, a college football ground, 109,000 turned up. The money over here, once soccer really gets going, would be such that every single top world class player could be bought, and bought whilst in their prime and not at the end of their careers. Given time America could change the face of football as we know it.
what an 'orrable thought
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, when the game truly takes off over here, and one day I think it will, America has the potential to make today's prem money look like chicken feed. The television money alone would be bigger than any of us can imagine, and gate numbers would dwarf any of those currently attending prem matches. The Man United game of yesterday was played at a college stadium, not a national stadium, not a pro American football stadium, a college football ground, 109,000 turned up. The money over here, once soccer really gets going, would be such that every single top world class player could be bought, and bought whilst in their prime and not at the end of their careers. Given time America could change the face of football as we know it.[/p][/quote]what an 'orrable thought albionfan33
  • Score: 5

10:35pm Sun 3 Aug 14

pjwilk says...

Lets have a vote,all those who think we would be better of without Barber and Burke give the thumbs down ,those who think we are better with them and they are doing a good job thumbs up.
Lets have a vote,all those who think we would be better of without Barber and Burke give the thumbs down ,those who think we are better with them and they are doing a good job thumbs up. pjwilk
  • Score: 7

10:45pm Sun 3 Aug 14

pte says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
pte wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok.
We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more.
We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB.
The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.
Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain.

Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.
You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already!
I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .
Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one?

Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine.

Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem.

As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time?

You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career.

You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract!
Sorry, the money saved by retaining Murray and not buying CMS
If your process behind the scenes is flawed , your in trouble, to many Indians all wanting to be called chief , we allow players to leave when money talks, but allowed Murray to walk even though he wanted to stay!
Barnes is a Year or so away from his prime,
I can already sense cms will be off , we won't match his contract he is on now £17k a week ...Arnie says he will stay as happiness is worth more than another 10k a week, how do we know cms is happy here? Would he be happier if he went to peterborough on a free next year, closer to his family , maybe playing championship football.
The people that think players like CMS will stay regardless of money because they are happy are deluded. If they were right then CMS would have stayed at Posh, he was their top scorer and married to the chairman's daughter. He was happy at Posh but came to us because he could earn more.

The club had to accept 500k on Barnes because there was only 6 months on his contract. But otherwise, if Barnes's value is around 1m why would you only offer a short contract and risk losing him on a Bosman? It just doesn't make sense
but don't forget that Burnley had been in for Barnes in the previous window, and Barnes would have known this.
At the time of leaving Barnes joined a club that was looking good for promotion, he wanted to go and I doubt the offer of a new contract would have changed anything, in fact didn't he have a new contract offer on the table, an offer he didn't take?
Vegas, but when Burnley and no doubt others were sniffing around, the club should have realized Barnes was worth offering more than 2 years. Burnley were heading for the Prem and we were hoping for the same. Barnes covered for Leo for the first half and he was needed for the run in. Even if OG favored one striker, he could have done what Gus did and play him in midfield especially as Crofts was crocked

If you have a desirable player you don't offer a 2 year deal in case they leave on a Bosman or they go cheap after a year. And you don't offer a 2 year with an option because that's one sided and an insult to his intelligence

2 years says to the player he is not really wanted so maybe there were non footballing reasons.

I can see CMS going and the likely clubs are going to be those that expressed an interest in the past as clubs do get fixated with certain targets
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: We were closer to the Stains when they got promoted , they have gone forward in leaps and bounds, despite losing half their team during the break I still think they will do ok. We have a CEO in Barber who has since his appointment done what he did at Seattle in terms of on the pitch, it's Backwards, just hope we get things right in terms of the academy quickly enough so as to avoid shrinking crowds reducing our ability to compete still more. We need three quality players another centre back a good in the air powerfull centre forward and a top class centre midfielder, this assuming we get Ward at LB. The suits need to be aware that not spending 70k per week on wages could lead to it being lost in revenue next season should five thousand fans become disappointed.[/p][/quote]Whilst your comment does have, 'some,' validity, I think it only fair to point our that Barber's role is mainly focussed on bringing revenue in above all else. The sale of Ulloa would have been largely in Barber's hands, not the decision, that was Bloom's, but the negotiations on price, same for Bridcutt and others. New sponsors coming on board is another area in which Barber features strongly. Off field cost cutting is also his domain. Burke and Bloom are the spending wing of the club when it comes to new recruits or new contracts for existing lads.[/p][/quote]You mean when they failed to sign Murray ? Refused to give Barnes a three year deal ? But signed a player who is 4 years older on. Three year deal who has. Been at 11 clubs already! I very much doubt barber had final say in selling either of those two players. TB would have been involved as he is now in signing players .[/p][/quote]Don't both Barber and Burke share the blame for that one? Barber had to decide if spending Mr Bloom's pennies were worth it on Barnes so he consulted Burke and Burke said he could do better for the money. So Barnes was moved on. Were OG was involved in all this your guess is as good as mine. Same decision process with Murray. Had we kept him not only would we have had his goals but the money not spent could have been spent elsewhere like on Van Dyke and we'd be in the Prem. As you say the decision making at the club looks flawed and irrational. What will COG's value be in two years and what will Barne's value be in 2 years time? You sometimes wonder what happened with Barnes and Murray. Did they nick Burkes car parking space one morning or maybe they forgot to smile and say "good morning Mr Bloom" in the lift. If for any reason your face doesn't fit you don't get offered a good contract but if your face fits you get offered one despite being at the end of your career. You could have also added that Barnes wasn't offered a long contract despite having a resale value (how does that make sense?!) but Mr Foamy was offered a 4 year contract![/p][/quote]Sorry, the money saved by retaining Murray and not buying CMS[/p][/quote]If your process behind the scenes is flawed , your in trouble, to many Indians all wanting to be called chief , we allow players to leave when money talks, but allowed Murray to walk even though he wanted to stay! Barnes is a Year or so away from his prime, I can already sense cms will be off , we won't match his contract he is on now £17k a week ...Arnie says he will stay as happiness is worth more than another 10k a week, how do we know cms is happy here? Would he be happier if he went to peterborough on a free next year, closer to his family , maybe playing championship football.[/p][/quote]The people that think players like CMS will stay regardless of money because they are happy are deluded. If they were right then CMS would have stayed at Posh, he was their top scorer and married to the chairman's daughter. He was happy at Posh but came to us because he could earn more. The club had to accept 500k on Barnes because there was only 6 months on his contract. But otherwise, if Barnes's value is around 1m why would you only offer a short contract and risk losing him on a Bosman? It just doesn't make sense[/p][/quote]but don't forget that Burnley had been in for Barnes in the previous window, and Barnes would have known this. At the time of leaving Barnes joined a club that was looking good for promotion, he wanted to go and I doubt the offer of a new contract would have changed anything, in fact didn't he have a new contract offer on the table, an offer he didn't take?[/p][/quote]Vegas, but when Burnley and no doubt others were sniffing around, the club should have realized Barnes was worth offering more than 2 years. Burnley were heading for the Prem and we were hoping for the same. Barnes covered for Leo for the first half and he was needed for the run in. Even if OG favored one striker, he could have done what Gus did and play him in midfield especially as Crofts was crocked If you have a desirable player you don't offer a 2 year deal in case they leave on a Bosman or they go cheap after a year. And you don't offer a 2 year with an option because that's one sided and an insult to his intelligence 2 years says to the player he is not really wanted so maybe there were non footballing reasons. I can see CMS going and the likely clubs are going to be those that expressed an interest in the past as clubs do get fixated with certain targets pte
  • Score: 1

12:22am Mon 4 Aug 14

gordongull says...

pjwilk wrote:
Lets have a vote,all those who think we would be better of without Barber and Burke give the thumbs down ,those who think we are better with them and they are doing a good job thumbs up.
Paul Barber told us in February that he was confident that the club would comply with FFP. My guess is that the sale of Bridcutt and Ashley was instrumental in achieving that goal. Unless Tony Bloom is willing to become a full time accountant, he needs someone like Barber to keep the finances under control.
David Burke's value to the club is a little less easy to assess. The signing of Kemy Agustien last August on a two year deal looks like a bad bit of business, but signings in January could have had more to do with providing cover, while balancing the books. Toko looks promising, but too early to offer an opinion. The signings since Sami's arrival, and those (allegedly) in the pipeline look to be fairly astute. The acquisition of David Stockdale very likely had a lot to do with Sami and Antti Niemi, but if he has signed within the pay structure, credit must be due to David Burke.
In 'The Independent' interview with Sami that Championshipgull posted the link for, (above at 2.17), Sami says:
“I’m expecting that we’ll still bring two, three or four players in and the process of signing players is a bit of a new thing for me, because in Germany I had little to say about these things, I wasn’t a lot involved. I didn’t realise what kind of process it is and everyone wants to put the prices as high as possible.''
This is a clear indication from Sami himself that he is out of his depth where the transfer market is concerned. This might offer a clue to why Sami was appointed in the first place, but I don't want to go there. A lot of work has been done by David Burke and his team before and after Sami's appointment to identify players for the positions needed.
The season kicks off in six days, and Sami is desperate for players to complete his squad. It would be difficult for him to veto players of the quality that David Burke is presenting him with, especially if the cost of these players potentially falls within the financial parameters.
If pjwilk's question had been asked while we were still looking for a Manager, I would have said we need a candidate for the job who is comfortable in the transfer market, and was capable of finding and signing his own players. (Neil Warnock would be a good example).
In that scenario, the DoF would be surplus to requirements.
But as things stand, and considering Sami's inexperience in the transfer market, I have to say, reluctantly, that someone in the DoF role is required.
To summarise, we would not be better off without Barber and Burke.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Lets have a vote,all those who think we would be better of without Barber and Burke give the thumbs down ,those who think we are better with them and they are doing a good job thumbs up.[/p][/quote]Paul Barber told us in February that he was confident that the club would comply with FFP. My guess is that the sale of Bridcutt and Ashley was instrumental in achieving that goal. Unless Tony Bloom is willing to become a full time accountant, he needs someone like Barber to keep the finances under control. David Burke's value to the club is a little less easy to assess. The signing of Kemy Agustien last August on a two year deal looks like a bad bit of business, but signings in January could have had more to do with providing cover, while balancing the books. Toko looks promising, but too early to offer an opinion. The signings since Sami's arrival, and those (allegedly) in the pipeline look to be fairly astute. The acquisition of David Stockdale very likely had a lot to do with Sami and Antti Niemi, but if he has signed within the pay structure, credit must be due to David Burke. In 'The Independent' interview with Sami that Championshipgull posted the link for, (above at 2.17), Sami says: “I’m expecting that we’ll still bring two, three or four players in and the process of signing players is a bit of a new thing for me, because [in his first job at Bayer Leverkusen] in Germany I had little to say about these things, I wasn’t a lot involved. I didn’t realise what kind of process it is and everyone wants to put the prices as high as possible.'' This is a clear indication from Sami himself that he is out of his depth where the transfer market is concerned. This might offer a clue to why Sami was appointed in the first place, but I don't want to go there. A lot of work has been done by David Burke and his team before and after Sami's appointment to identify players for the positions needed. The season kicks off in six days, and Sami is desperate for players to complete his squad. It would be difficult for him to veto players of the quality that David Burke is presenting him with, especially if the cost of these players potentially falls within the financial parameters. If pjwilk's question had been asked while we were still looking for a Manager, I would have said we need a candidate for the job who is comfortable in the transfer market, and was capable of finding and signing his own players. (Neil Warnock would be a good example). In that scenario, the DoF would be surplus to requirements. But as things stand, and considering Sami's inexperience in the transfer market, I have to say, reluctantly, that someone in the DoF role is required. To summarise, we would not be better off without Barber and Burke. gordongull
  • Score: 1

1:10am Mon 4 Aug 14

Baldseagull says...

To my knowledge,
Barnes was offered one year here, Burnley were offering three years but less £ per week.
Murray walking for free and not being offered an improved wage once Palace showed interest was down to Poyet.
Money from players sold last season (Bridcutt, Barnes) will have offset losses last season under FFP and will not be available to spend this season to up our budget available within FFP.
All the Ulloa sale cash could be spent this season, and probably will be.
To my knowledge, Barnes was offered one year here, Burnley were offering three years but less £ per week. Murray walking for free and not being offered an improved wage once Palace showed interest was down to Poyet. Money from players sold last season (Bridcutt, Barnes) will have offset losses last season under FFP and will not be available to spend this season to up our budget available within FFP. All the Ulloa sale cash could be spent this season, and probably will be. Baldseagull
  • Score: 1

2:13am Mon 4 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

So another day passes and we are without new players, but tomorrow is monday and the forum is tuesday, so I expect something to happen soon. Would the suits pull a bit of a stunt, announce the new player/players on the day of the forum, might they even introduce him/them at the forum, anything is possible.

My guess is one comes in tomorrow, maybe two.
So another day passes and we are without new players, but tomorrow is monday and the forum is tuesday, so I expect something to happen soon. Would the suits pull a bit of a stunt, announce the new player/players on the day of the forum, might they even introduce him/them at the forum, anything is possible. My guess is one comes in tomorrow, maybe two. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

8:37am Mon 4 Aug 14

dave from bexill says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, when the game truly takes off over here, and one day I think it will, America has the potential to make today's prem money look like chicken feed.
The television money alone would be bigger than any of us can imagine, and gate numbers would dwarf any of those currently attending prem matches. The Man United game of yesterday was played at a college stadium, not a national stadium, not a pro American football stadium, a college football ground, 109,000 turned up. The money over here, once soccer really gets going, would be such that every single top world class player could be bought, and bought whilst in their prime and not at the end of their careers. Given time America could change the face of football as we know it.
And thats what would worry me Vegas
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, when the game truly takes off over here, and one day I think it will, America has the potential to make today's prem money look like chicken feed. The television money alone would be bigger than any of us can imagine, and gate numbers would dwarf any of those currently attending prem matches. The Man United game of yesterday was played at a college stadium, not a national stadium, not a pro American football stadium, a college football ground, 109,000 turned up. The money over here, once soccer really gets going, would be such that every single top world class player could be bought, and bought whilst in their prime and not at the end of their careers. Given time America could change the face of football as we know it.[/p][/quote]And thats what would worry me Vegas dave from bexill
  • Score: 1

9:09am Mon 4 Aug 14

pte says...

You do need a DOF. The manager can't spend all his time looking at all the players recommended by agents.

The Harry Redknaps of this world take the credit for the good signings the DOF makes then blames the bad signings on the DOF. The DOF can't win

The average manager doesn't last more than a year so how can he be allowed to make long term investment decisions that will not only affect the club but the next manager.

When a manager sees a player he likes fine he can ask the chairman to get his chequebook out but the chairman needs a footballing person (the DOF) to advise him he's not being had over by the manager and the player's agent
You do need a DOF. The manager can't spend all his time looking at all the players recommended by agents. The Harry Redknaps of this world take the credit for the good signings the DOF makes then blames the bad signings on the DOF. The DOF can't win The average manager doesn't last more than a year so how can he be allowed to make long term investment decisions that will not only affect the club but the next manager. When a manager sees a player he likes fine he can ask the chairman to get his chequebook out but the chairman needs a footballing person (the DOF) to advise him he's not being had over by the manager and the player's agent pte
  • Score: 3

10:35am Mon 4 Aug 14

pjwilk says...

gordongull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
Lets have a vote,all those who think we would be better of without Barber and Burke give the thumbs down ,those who think we are better with them and they are doing a good job thumbs up.
Paul Barber told us in February that he was confident that the club would comply with FFP. My guess is that the sale of Bridcutt and Ashley was instrumental in achieving that goal. Unless Tony Bloom is willing to become a full time accountant, he needs someone like Barber to keep the finances under control.
David Burke's value to the club is a little less easy to assess. The signing of Kemy Agustien last August on a two year deal looks like a bad bit of business, but signings in January could have had more to do with providing cover, while balancing the books. Toko looks promising, but too early to offer an opinion. The signings since Sami's arrival, and those (allegedly) in the pipeline look to be fairly astute. The acquisition of David Stockdale very likely had a lot to do with Sami and Antti Niemi, but if he has signed within the pay structure, credit must be due to David Burke.
In 'The Independent' interview with Sami that Championshipgull posted the link for, (above at 2.17), Sami says:
“I’m expecting that we’ll still bring two, three or four players in and the process of signing players is a bit of a new thing for me, because in Germany I had little to say about these things, I wasn’t a lot involved. I didn’t realise what kind of process it is and everyone wants to put the prices as high as possible.''
This is a clear indication from Sami himself that he is out of his depth where the transfer market is concerned. This might offer a clue to why Sami was appointed in the first place, but I don't want to go there. A lot of work has been done by David Burke and his team before and after Sami's appointment to identify players for the positions needed.
The season kicks off in six days, and Sami is desperate for players to complete his squad. It would be difficult for him to veto players of the quality that David Burke is presenting him with, especially if the cost of these players potentially falls within the financial parameters.
If pjwilk's question had been asked while we were still looking for a Manager, I would have said we need a candidate for the job who is comfortable in the transfer market, and was capable of finding and signing his own players. (Neil Warnock would be a good example).
In that scenario, the DoF would be surplus to requirements.
But as things stand, and considering Sami's inexperience in the transfer market, I have to say, reluctantly, that someone in the DoF role is required.
To summarise, we would not be better off without Barber and Burke.
Agree with you ,Sami is inexperienced in the transfer market,so i think a Manager with Championship experience should have been appointed,but we will see how things turn out.Not very confident myself.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Lets have a vote,all those who think we would be better of without Barber and Burke give the thumbs down ,those who think we are better with them and they are doing a good job thumbs up.[/p][/quote]Paul Barber told us in February that he was confident that the club would comply with FFP. My guess is that the sale of Bridcutt and Ashley was instrumental in achieving that goal. Unless Tony Bloom is willing to become a full time accountant, he needs someone like Barber to keep the finances under control. David Burke's value to the club is a little less easy to assess. The signing of Kemy Agustien last August on a two year deal looks like a bad bit of business, but signings in January could have had more to do with providing cover, while balancing the books. Toko looks promising, but too early to offer an opinion. The signings since Sami's arrival, and those (allegedly) in the pipeline look to be fairly astute. The acquisition of David Stockdale very likely had a lot to do with Sami and Antti Niemi, but if he has signed within the pay structure, credit must be due to David Burke. In 'The Independent' interview with Sami that Championshipgull posted the link for, (above at 2.17), Sami says: “I’m expecting that we’ll still bring two, three or four players in and the process of signing players is a bit of a new thing for me, because [in his first job at Bayer Leverkusen] in Germany I had little to say about these things, I wasn’t a lot involved. I didn’t realise what kind of process it is and everyone wants to put the prices as high as possible.'' This is a clear indication from Sami himself that he is out of his depth where the transfer market is concerned. This might offer a clue to why Sami was appointed in the first place, but I don't want to go there. A lot of work has been done by David Burke and his team before and after Sami's appointment to identify players for the positions needed. The season kicks off in six days, and Sami is desperate for players to complete his squad. It would be difficult for him to veto players of the quality that David Burke is presenting him with, especially if the cost of these players potentially falls within the financial parameters. If pjwilk's question had been asked while we were still looking for a Manager, I would have said we need a candidate for the job who is comfortable in the transfer market, and was capable of finding and signing his own players. (Neil Warnock would be a good example). In that scenario, the DoF would be surplus to requirements. But as things stand, and considering Sami's inexperience in the transfer market, I have to say, reluctantly, that someone in the DoF role is required. To summarise, we would not be better off without Barber and Burke.[/p][/quote]Agree with you ,Sami is inexperienced in the transfer market,so i think a Manager with Championship experience should have been appointed,but we will see how things turn out.Not very confident myself. pjwilk
  • Score: -2

7:36pm Mon 4 Aug 14

Captain Haddock says...

pte wrote:
You do need a DOF. The manager can't spend all his time looking at all the players recommended by agents.

The Harry Redknaps of this world take the credit for the good signings the DOF makes then blames the bad signings on the DOF. The DOF can't win

The average manager doesn't last more than a year so how can he be allowed to make long term investment decisions that will not only affect the club but the next manager.

When a manager sees a player he likes fine he can ask the chairman to get his chequebook out but the chairman needs a footballing person (the DOF) to advise him he's not being had over by the manager and the player's agent
I often disagree with you, Pte, but certainly not on this occasion!
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: You do need a DOF. The manager can't spend all his time looking at all the players recommended by agents. The Harry Redknaps of this world take the credit for the good signings the DOF makes then blames the bad signings on the DOF. The DOF can't win The average manager doesn't last more than a year so how can he be allowed to make long term investment decisions that will not only affect the club but the next manager. When a manager sees a player he likes fine he can ask the chairman to get his chequebook out but the chairman needs a footballing person (the DOF) to advise him he's not being had over by the manager and the player's agent[/p][/quote]I often disagree with you, Pte, but certainly not on this occasion! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 2

8:54pm Mon 4 Aug 14

Plutomania says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark, I actually mentioned the American player a couple of weeks ago and yes, I did pose the question re visas. Yesterday I highlighted the fact that soccer in America is on the up and that the American people are turning out in huge numbers to watch, bigger number than any in the UK for the, 'big,' matches. Crowd numbers in the 50,000 range are not uncommon for MLS matches for clubs that have the capacity.
Drawing attention again today to the lad in question today was an attenpt at nothing more than to showcase his abilities and show that the level of ability in young American players is rising, and rising fast.

Check out Omar Gonzales, again LA Galaxy and one who is an international player, he is developing into an excelent defender.
Is the gardening business going bad,have you become an agent.
You have to contact the Albion.

B.B.B do not come on this site,and i for one cannot blame them.

So Wardy(Sir Peter Ward) is doing a good job over there.
HOOVER Dam is running out of water.
Vagas `s job drying up
Vagas looking to becoming a football pundit
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark, I actually mentioned the American player a couple of weeks ago and yes, I did pose the question re visas. Yesterday I highlighted the fact that soccer in America is on the up and that the American people are turning out in huge numbers to watch, bigger number than any in the UK for the, 'big,' matches. Crowd numbers in the 50,000 range are not uncommon for MLS matches for clubs that have the capacity. Drawing attention again today to the lad in question today was an attenpt at nothing more than to showcase his abilities and show that the level of ability in young American players is rising, and rising fast. Check out Omar Gonzales, again LA Galaxy and one who is an international player, he is developing into an excelent defender.[/p][/quote]Is the gardening business going bad,have you become an agent. You have to contact the Albion. B.B.B do not come on this site,and i for one cannot blame them. So Wardy(Sir Peter Ward) is doing a good job over there.[/p][/quote]HOOVER Dam is running out of water. Vagas `s job drying up Vagas looking to becoming a football pundit Plutomania
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